Saturday Politics Thread: RINO Diablo Edition [Y-not]

OK, I've stalled long enough. I simply must do a thread on Jeb Bush and Chris Christie because, let's face it, one of them (or both of them) is bound to run. We, and by "we" I mean those of us unable to fully embrace the Let It Burn lifestyle, are going to have to decide if we could possibly vote for one of these turds should The Worst Happen and one of them be the nominee.

Let's pray this won't be necessary.

To lighten things up from what promises to be a horrible no-good gawdawful discussion, and in the interest of symmetry, I'll toss in Jon Huntsman to complete the Trio of RINOs this week. At least we'll have someone to mock between the wailing and gnashing of teeth over Christie and Bush.

Ready?

Let the games begin!

As usual, let's have a pre-discussion poll:


OK, with that over, here's a BRIEF backgrounder on this week's trio of prospective candidates, relying largely on Ballotpedia for the information. (Usual caveats apply about edits for length and their spin on the candidates' records.) Because I anticipate this discussion to be largely negative, I am going to put in some sort of "accomplishments" section for each of these men so we have some fodder for discussion about any possible saving graces they might have. I would appreciate hearing from any of you, especially those of you from New Jersey, Florida, or Utah, who want to chime in on each candidate's biggest accomplishments (or failings) while they were in office.


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Christopher Christie (b. September 6, 1962, in Newark, New Jersey) is the 55th Governor of New Jersey.

A Republican, Christie was first elected to his current office in 2009 when he defeated Democratic incumbent Jon Corzine. Christie won re-election to a second term as governor in the 2013 election.

[Education: BA, Political Science, University of Delaware, 1984; J.D., Seton Hall University School of Law, 1987]

Christie began his political career as a Morris County freeholder [an elected county board]. After losing his 1995 bid for State Assembly, Christie did not run for office again until the 2009 gubernatorial race. He worked as a lobbyist for energy companies until he was nominated by George W. Bush to serve as United States Attorney for the District of New Jersey, a position he held from 2002-2008...

An analysis of Republican governors by Nate Silver of the New York Times in April 2013 ranked Christie as the least conservative GOP governor in the country.

Unsurprisingly, The Federalist painted a grim view of New Jersey's economic situation and lays much of the blame at Christie's feet for not improving things. In fairness to Christie, he has a Democrat legislature opposing him. But has he accomplished anything positive while governor?

Although he certainly has his supporters, my sense is that they are primarily attracted to his political style (and success) more than to his record. Here is the Star-Ledger's endorsement of Christie for re-election last year:

The property tax burden has grown sharply on his watch. He is hostile to low-income families, raising their tax burden and sabotaging efforts to build affordable housing. He's been a catastrophe on the environment, draining $1 billion from clean energy funds and calling a cease-fire in the state's fight against climate change.

The governor's claim to have fixed the state's budget is fraudulent. New Jersey's credit rating has dropped during his term, reflecting Wall Street's judgment that he has dug the hole even deeper. He has no plan to finance transit projects and open space purchases now that he has nearly drained the dedicated funds he inherited from Gov. Jon Corzine.

Shortcomings aside, Christie pummeled his Democrat opponent in 2013, winning a second term with over 60% of the vote.

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Here's Christie's entry in On the Issues. If you scroll to the bottom, you'll see the VoteMatch responses used to generate the graphic above. In addition, they provide a graphical "score" of the candidate's ideology:

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John Ellis "Jeb" Bush (b. on February 11, 1953 in Midland, Texas) was formerly the governor of Florida.

Prior to serving as governor, Bush founded a non-profit, served as Florida's commerce secretary and worked in real estate development...

Below is an abbreviated outline of Bush's academic, professional and political career:
1987-1988: Florida Commerce Secretary
1988: Resigned post to help on George H.W. Bush presidential campaign
1994: Lost in the general election to be governor of Florida
1995-Present: Founder and chair of Foundation for Florida's Future
1999-2007: Governor of Florida
2007: Founded Jeb Bush & Associates consulting group
2013: Co-authored book Immigration Wars released

According to the Washington Policy Center, Jeb Bush cut taxes, trimmed the size of government (by over 6% in terms of number of employees), and vetoed over $2 billion in new spending. He also was reportedly a champion of school choice and reformed Medicaid in his state, putting more choice in the hands of patients.

For some reason, there is not a table of Jeb Bush's positions, so here's a link to the "On the Issues" summary of his record:

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I have no idea how Jeb Bush, who is pretty openly for amnesty and common core, comes out rated as a conservative by On The Issues. Make of it what you will.


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Jon Meade Huntsman, Jr. (born March 26, 1960 in Palo Alto, California) was the Governor of Utah from 2005- August 11, 2009. He left office in order to assume a position as U.S. Ambassador to China [in the Obama administration]...

Huntsman is the son of billionaire businessman and philanthropist Jon Huntsman, Sr. of Huntsman Corporation. He attended the University of Utah, where he was a Sigma Chi. He received a Bachelor's degree in business from the University of Pennsylvania after transferring to that school...

After college, Huntsman served as a White House staff assistant in the Reagan Administration, U.S. ambassador to Singapore in the administration of President George H.W. Bush, and a deputy United States trade representative in the George W. Bush Administration.

In addition to his public service, Huntsman served as an executive for the Huntsman Corporation, the Huntsman Cancer Foundation and Huntsman Family Holdings Company. Other organizations he has served include the Utah Opera, Envision Utah, the Coalition for Utah's Future, and KSL-TV's Family Now campaign.

This Outside the Beltway article from 2011 provides a decent review of Huntsman's accomplishments. They credit him with joining the state legislature in flattening Utah's state taxes (CATO gave Huntsman high praise for that back in 2008 ) and signed several aggressively pro-life measures while in office.

Ballotpedia provides this chart summarizing his positions:

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And here's a link to the "On the Issues" graphical display of his record:

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Phew!

OK, now here's where the rubber meets the road. It seems to me that the primary argument for any of these dudes is their supposed appeal to Independents. Aka, the old "electability" canard.

Now, I want to win. I really do. But we went with Mr. Electable last time, he even won Independents, yet he still lost. And, when I dug into the Pew post-mortem it was really clear that the Democrats' voters were more enthusiastic than the Republicans'. It wasn't that Evangelicals didn't vote for Mitt. The data do not support that (they refute it, actually). But people who did vote for Romney were just not as enthusiastic about it. They were more likely than their counterparts to be voting against the opponent.

Obama is not going to run again.

It may be Hillary. She's a schmuck, but her husband's administration is remembered as a time of prosperity. So I'm not sure the intensity of voting against Hillary is going to be a big factor. If we couldn't mobilize sane people to vote against Obama after his disastrous first term, how will we mobilize them to vote against Hillary or - even worse - some unknown with a slick marketing team and a nice logo?

I gotta think we're going to be in serious trouble if we nominate someone who turns off the base voters. We (base voters) may only have one vote, but our grass-roots enthusiasm is what persuades low information voters and sometime voters to actually pull the lever FOR the Republican candidate.

I think it would be a grave mistake for the GOP to nominate someone who turns off the base to the extent that these guys do. We need to get conservatives and conservative leaners to the polls. Which leads me to this depressing graphic:

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Turnout percentages by state for the 1980 (Reagan), 1988 (G.H.W.Bush), 2008 (McCain), and 2012 (Romney) elections.

What the heck happened with turnout last time? Even UTAH didn't turn out for Romney. That has got to change if we're going to win back this country.

On that cheery note, let's poll all twelve potential candidates that we've talked about thus far. Pick your top FIVE out of these twelve to go up against whatever horrible person the Democrats nominate in the 2016 General Election:



Finally, I'd like to hear from you who else we should discuss in upcoming weeks. Consider this a Draft My Gal or Guy poll:



**UPDATE: I meant to add these links to the prior threads
Walker, Perry, Jindal thread
Kasich, Haley, Martinez thread
Rubio, Rand Paul, Cruz thread


Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:35 AM




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1 Huntsman is a Centrist as the NYT is "middle of the road."

Posted by: Dan Rather at September 27, 2014 09:35 AM (V70Uh)

2 I have already said I have voted for my last RINO. Cristie is a DIABLO. A Democrat with an R after his name. Jeb us still begging for some amnesty. He can kiss my ass.

Posted by: Vic at September 27, 2014 09:35 AM (T2V/1)

3 Nikki Haley....

She is the answer.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 09:36 AM (/4AZU)

4 2 Posted by: Vic at September 27, 2014 09:35 AM (T2V/1)

If the GOP had a lick of sense they'd nominate Nikki Haley....

which means she will be safely here in South Carolina...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 09:36 AM (/4AZU)

5 So very very boned.

Posted by: toby928(C) mumbles into his cup at September 27, 2014 09:38 AM (rwI+c)

6 I heard the weight CC already lost has more conservative credibility then both Jeb and Chris put together?

Posted by: Lloyd Loar at September 27, 2014 09:39 AM (TaO1J)

7 It may be Hillary. She's a schmuck, but her husband's administration is remembered as a time of prosperity.


The lying MFM gives him credits for the Republican congress and welfare reform which he vetoed twice until congress passed it veto proof.


And now we have even more welfare than we did then.

Posted by: Vic at September 27, 2014 09:40 AM (T2V/1)

8 I guess I typed too soon about not drinking early.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 27, 2014 09:40 AM (K6nQG)

9 I won't vote for either Bush or Christie in a primary but if the unfortunate happens and they become the nominee, I will not only vote for them , I will campaign for them. I am not only against LIB , I'm for delaying it anyway I can on the slight chance that something can happen to turn it around. I've always had a Spartan 300 personality.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 27, 2014 09:40 AM (PtOuS)

10 I figure we should all back the one candidate who the media will constantly tell us during the primaries is the Only Electable Moderate in the race. The calm friendly face.

Then once we've gotten the Only Electable Moderate safely nominated, we'll all sit back in flustered confusion as the media then instantly switch to describing that nominee as Unelectably Too Far To The Right, and Dangerously Radical, and Out Of Step With The Rest Of The Country.

And, the Only Electable Moderate nominee will then go on to try to reassert their credentials as moderate and calm and friendly, by refusing to actually run anything resembling a confrontational race against the Democratic nominee.

Although, what are the odds that anything along those lines could ever happen? Total science fiction! Bad satire!

Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2014 09:41 AM (noWW6)

11 "Chip" Wood / General Eric Repulican 2016

Posted by: fluffy at September 27, 2014 09:42 AM (Ua6T/)

12 9 Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 27, 2014 09:40 AM (PtOuS)

Nice, of course last time I checked Leonidas was not being asked to die to allow the Greeks more time to become Persian.

"Get out of the electorates way"

Until they obliterate this standard of living they take for granted they will not and cannot accept change.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 09:43 AM (/4AZU)

13 @10

Mittens and McSame hardest hit.

Posted by: Lloyd Loar at September 27, 2014 09:44 AM (TaO1J)

14 10 Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2014 09:41 AM (noWW6)

Yeah, anyone else remember Juan McCain looking confused as fuck when the newsies took out the carving knives for him as fondly as I do now?


I can see that look on ANY of the magic 3 we're discussing.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 09:44 AM (/4AZU)

15 Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 09:43 AM (/4AZU)

I'm not telling you what to do, I'm telling you what I'm going to do. Whatever you can live with.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 27, 2014 09:45 AM (PtOuS)

16 First, the important thing is to win.

Whoever.

But if the purists win out and someone like the psycho narcissist Ted Cruz is the nominee Hillary Clinton's underpants would win in a rout.


Posted by: Bobby Ahr at September 27, 2014 09:45 AM (zmZ2x)

17 What is sad is the way we run primaries it almost guarantees another shitty "moderate" which is new-speak for liberal.

Posted by: Vic at September 27, 2014 09:46 AM (T2V/1)

18 Posted by: Bobby Ahr at September 27, 2014 09:45 AM (zmZ2x)

You are just as bad as the 'purists' .

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 27, 2014 09:48 AM (PtOuS)

19 I have the terrible feeling Huntsman *will* run. YouTube has been running commercials that are essentially 10 minutes of "Jon Huntsman, cancer fighting superhero". Theoretically the ads are about a hospital he funded, but his name is mentioned *a lot*.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at September 27, 2014 09:48 AM (GDulk)

20 15 Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 27, 2014 09:45 AM (PtOuS)

Right, with your shield or on it.

I gave ever increasing amounts of money since '88....

I gave time until last cycle when I realized I was too passionate about the stakes...

If the answer to America's problems is Chris Christie I am not part of the solution.

Have fun storming the castle to drive the car o'er the cliff at just 5 mph rather than 105mph.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 09:48 AM (/4AZU)

21 But if the purists win out and someone like the psycho narcissist Ted Cruz is the nominee Hillary Clinton's underpants would win in a rout.

I chuckled out loud.

Posted by: toby928(C) mumbles into his cup at September 27, 2014 09:48 AM (rwI+c)

22 I voted:
Wood chipper

Cruz
Perry
Walker

Carson (he says he will run. I think its a bad idea)
Gowdy (we need a post of Gowdy pix)
Palin (still the left's buggest bogeyman)

Posted by: @votermom at September 27, 2014 09:49 AM (cbfNE)

23 19 Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at September 27, 2014 09:48 AM (GDulk)

You have to admit he knows how to wear a Pleather Jacket....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 09:49 AM (/4AZU)

24 Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 09:48 AM (/4AZU)

What concern is it of yours? You've tapped out.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 27, 2014 09:50 AM (PtOuS)

25 We have tried a "moderate" in every election since RR.


Bush 1 was supposed to be a Reagan replacement. He was a NE liberal shit. Once people saw what he was he lost the next election. Then finally we got Bush II who ran as a conservative and ruled as a liberal until the war on terror started. Then it has been one liberal after another who have all put the base to sleep.

Posted by: Vic at September 27, 2014 09:50 AM (T2V/1)

26 He may have cut taxes as governor but he was scolding the GOP a couple years ago about refusing to raise taxes.

Posted by: Adam at September 27, 2014 09:50 AM (HstNY)

27 President Wood Chipper is someone I could support.

Mmmmm, help the penguins made me type that! While they were attacking me they cut my head off for no silly reason at all.

Posted by: Fewenuff at September 27, 2014 09:51 AM (zPNX5)

28 Christie is slightly better than Bush on the grounds that while both support amnesty, Christie probably just does so to please his donors and the media, while Bush is a true believer who would aggressively push for it even in the face of fierce resistance from the GOP base.

If Romney ran again, he'd be the least bad of the three, by far.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at September 27, 2014 09:52 AM (HA+/6)

29 24 Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 27, 2014 09:50 AM (PtOuS)

I've caught on to the gag.

In aikido as in life there are many holds and locks that work better the more the client resists....

I am not going to keep hugging progressives Republican or Donkey....

now in honor of your willingness to keep charging the ramparts...

http://youtu.be/AO43p2Wqc08

Chirs Christie and the Rino Rockers.....

Macho Macho Macho Man

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 09:53 AM (/4AZU)

30 Looks like wood chipper is wining big.

Posted by: Vic at September 27, 2014 09:53 AM (T2V/1)

31 So with regard to Jon Huntsman's "prioritize green energy" stance, let's all remember that Huntsman's family own one of the largest privately owned chemical companies in the country.

Let us also remember that in Europe, chemical companies fell all over themselves to get in line with the "green energy" and "climate change" malarkey.

Wait, what? Hold on a sec. Why would they do THAT?

Because lefty politicoes in Europe quietly agreed behind closed doors to provide absolutely massive compensation at public expense for industrial facilities which had to be closed down for "climate adjustment" reasons.

In fact, the formulae which were settled upon to calculate this compensation were so generous as to hand out cash greatly in excess of the actual market value of those facilities. Nice work if you can get it!

This led to situations where non-European firms like India's Mittal were actually buying old, obsolete, uncompetitive European steelworks and refineries and chemical processing plants _simply in order to collect the cash from later shuttering them_ as part of the anti-global-warming push.

When you hear Jon Huntsman talk about the "severe climate crisis" and how "we must all do our part"? Yeah. It's total self-serving crap. Huntsman is looking at the incredible deal that his Euro counterparts got, and rubbing his hands at the thought that his family might arrange for a comparably lucrative public giveaway in the USA for their own worn-out old industrial assets.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2014 09:54 AM (noWW6)

32 30 Posted by: Vic at September 27, 2014 09:53 AM (T2V/1)

I would have crawled on broken glass to elect President Yellowstone Caldera.....


Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 09:54 AM (/4AZU)

33 Posted by: Vic at September 27, 2014 09:50 AM (T2V/1)

Before the WOT , Bush passed two tax cuts larger than Reagan, had submitted a plan to reform SS , overturned environmental EOs from Clinton and withdrew us from the ABM treaty with Russia so we could move forward with Reagan's Star Wars programs. Yep very liberal.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 27, 2014 09:55 AM (PtOuS)

34 Losing to Hilary by ten points is an act of love wingers.

Posted by: Jeb at September 27, 2014 09:55 AM (HstNY)

35 I heart wood chippers.

Posted by: akula51 at September 27, 2014 09:56 AM (R5qgD)

36 This entire post is invalid, and may violate the AOSHQ posting guidelines because it has no link to what is clearly the most important part of the discussion:

http://tinyurl.com/mke7dqk

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2014 09:57 AM (Zu3d9)

37 33 Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 27, 2014 09:55 AM (PtOuS)

He also allowed Teddy Kennedy to give him a lap dance known as "No Child Left Behind" that the donks thenwent Orwell on champ....

Let's not revere Bush as being more Conservative than he was on anything but tax and defense policy...

in granting massive block money to the Democrat client groups he sorta empowered what became OFA...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 09:57 AM (/4AZU)

38 36 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2014 09:57 AM (Zu3d9)

Indeed....

It'll be charming to watch *untsman look shell-shocked that the "leave Sascha and Malia alone!" truce won't apply

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 09:59 AM (/4AZU)

39 Crap..... After the "call to violence thread that didn't have ant actual calls to violence" yesterday... I thought Id poke my head in to see if itvs safe.. apparently not.

See yaall Monday...


Posted by: fixerupper at September 27, 2014 10:00 AM (IrLKP)

40 I think anybody on the right would be unelectable. I mean, Karl Rove would spend millions on ads calling him a racist, rapist murderer, John McCain would have a sissy fit about how he was Islamophobic and wouldn't conduct a reasonable foreign policy of training all Queda to bomb Jews and secularists, and the media would accuse him of not paying taxes on the money he paid a hit man to kill his wife. Plus he still calls Washington's team the R*dskins.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 27, 2014 10:00 AM (8MlTP)

41 On paper, Huntsman *should* be acceptable. He's not great, by any means, but he should be ok. But I have yet to meet anyone here in Utah who likes him. He has a reputation as a weasel (not the good kind; he betrayed ppl on school vouchers, for example) and iirc he's kind of a climate change guy. But, still, on paper he should be ok. But for me joining the Obama administration is disqualifying.

Jeb Bush is such a flaming RINO Diablo on amnesty, that I'm not concerned about him. I don't think he can get out of the primary. He may run, but drop out, esp given that it'd be his first time. So if Jeb running keeps Mitt from running a third time, I'm all for it.

Christie is awful and really betrayed us in 2012... but he seems to be able to win. So if I had a gun put up against my head and had to choose one, I'd pick Christie.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:00 AM (zDsvJ)

42 We need a really, really big circular firing squad with paintball guns and shit.


Posted by: Fritz at September 27, 2014 10:01 AM (UzPAd)

43 For the first one I chose Haley, Walker and a coinflip between Perry and Jindal (I think it came up Jindal).

For 'I'd like to have a thread to discuss these candidates' I wrote in 'SMOD'

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 27, 2014 10:01 AM (K6nQG)

44 YouTube has been running commercials that are essentially 10 minutes of
"Jon Huntsman, cancer fighting superhero". Theoretically the ads are
about a hospital he funded, but his name is mentioned *a lot*.
---

That's his Dad, who is beloved in this state. (Probably why Jr won two terms in Utah.)

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:02 AM (zDsvJ)

45 41 Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:00 AM (zDsvJ)

Obama may be M.T. Chair, but Chrispy is Sack O. Shit

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 10:02 AM (/4AZU)

46 33 Before the WOT , Bush passed two tax cuts larger
than Reagan, had submitted a plan to reform SS , overturned
environmental EOs from Clinton and withdrew us from the ABM treaty with
Russia so we could move forward with Reagan's Star Wars programs. Yep
very liberal.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 27, 2014 09:55 AM (PtOuS)

Before WOT he crossed the aisle to vote with Ted The Swimmer for two new socialist programs. Yes, liberal RINO.

Posted by: Vic at September 27, 2014 10:03 AM (T2V/1)

47 Christie is slightly better than Bush on the grounds that while both
support amnesty, Christie probably just does so to please his donors and
the media, while Bush is a true believer who would aggressively push
for it even in the face of fierce resistance from the GOP base.
---

Yeah, I get the Avenging Angel hit off of Jeb on amnesty. He seems utterly nuts on that.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:03 AM (zDsvJ)

48 I'd do all 3. 1-2-3 at a time. The Monica pose front and center clenched it.

Posted by: Fewenuff at September 27, 2014 10:03 AM (zPNX5)

49 43 Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 27, 2014 10:01 AM (K6nQG)

Hey we matched up almost completely....

I wrote in Haley in the 2d poll or 3d whichever....

SMOD is gonna crater Moscow...

She is a tease and has a thing for Slavs...

Hop on the Yellowstone Caldera bandwagon.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 10:04 AM (/4AZU)

50 I'd pick Christie.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:00 AM (zDsvJ)

My intellectual evolution about Christie went something like this"

1. Wow...pretty impressive rhetoric, and I like that he actually cuts government.

2. Wow....he sure is a blowhard, and doesn't really care for the Constitution, but he seems to be fiscally responsible, so I'll vote for him for governor.

3. What an asshole. He's no better than any other NE RINO spender.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2014 10:05 AM (Zu3d9)

51 So with regard to Jon Huntsman's "prioritize green energy" stance, let's
all remember that Huntsman's family own one of the largest privately
owned chemical companies in the country.
--

And that company has a lot of dealings in the East. I always thought the Ambassador to China thing was a huge conflict of interest.

And what did he accomplish, anyway? I honestly can't think of anything.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:05 AM (zDsvJ)

52 I'd like to see Nikki Haley get elected just to see Pakistan shit itself.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at September 27, 2014 10:05 AM (ecN6u)

53 I'll not be forgetting "superstorm sandy" and the role Christie played in helping SCOAMF get re-elected anytime soon.

I seriously can't even believe it's discussed as a theoretical after that performance.

Posted by: akula51 at September 27, 2014 10:05 AM (R5qgD)

54 "For 'I'd like to have a thread to discuss these candidates' I wrote in 'SMOD'"

I wrote in "Raccoon With Machine Gun".

Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2014 10:06 AM (noWW6)

55 This entire post is invalid, and may violate the AOSHQ posting
guidelines because it has no link to what is clearly the most important
part of the discussion:
----

LOL! Thanks for that correction, CBD.

Were you promoted to regular cob last night?! *wink*

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:06 AM (zDsvJ)

56 I don't have anything against Haley, but is there anything that sets her apart as a Conservative leader apart from her gender?
I don't know much about her and I haven't really seen her lead any "fights" on a national level.
I don't really know much about Jindal eithet but I vaguely associate him with pushing back against Common Core.

Posted by: @votermom at September 27, 2014 10:06 AM (cbfNE)

57 54 Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2014 10:06 AM (noWW6)

Ready for duty....

http://youtu.be/h-RppMjagN4

Rocket Raccoon

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 10:07 AM (/4AZU)

58 There isn't a list for Jeb (even his nickname is phony and uninspired) because he HAS no positions until some big donor or Brother (not the good one) tells him what it should be.

We already know he want s amnesty and to raise taxes and I would guess he's a liberal about foreign policy (although what is that these days?) and against 2A rights.

He's the one I suspect will get the Media's vote and will get pushed off on us if they can manage it.

Christy's a blowhard.

Huntsman's a sycophant.

If JEB gets the nominee, I'd wish I could subtract votes but since I can't, I'll vote for anyone or no one rather than see this insipid fool become President.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 27, 2014 10:07 AM (KK+mC)

59 Huntsman and China - let's see, I'll take China destabilizes the region in general for a thousand please.

Posted by: Fewenuff at September 27, 2014 10:08 AM (zPNX5)

60 56 Posted by: @votermom at September 27, 2014 10:06 AM (cbfNE)

Jindal is inarguably better than Haley policy wise....

of course since we are now faced with a media driven by "HISTORIC FIRSTS" we HAVE to counterprogram the XX brigades offering from Team DNC....

Haley would kick Hillary's ass.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 10:08 AM (/4AZU)

61 Posted by: Vic at September 27, 2014 10:03 AM (T2V/

He ran on reforming Education with national standards. you claim it was a surprise .

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 27, 2014 10:09 AM (PtOuS)

62 >>Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2014 10:05 AM

Basically, yeah.

But in the theoretical case that my only choices are Jeb Bush, Jon Huntsman, Mitt Romney, or Chris Christie versus whatever Satan-worshipping devil the Dems run... I'd pick Christie.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:10 AM (zDsvJ)

63 ALL those RINOs are pro amnesty



That is a red line for me

Posted by: ThunderB at September 27, 2014 10:10 AM (zOTsN)

64 Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:06 AM (zDsvJ)

No...they keep me around because I am the token Jew.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2014 10:10 AM (Zu3d9)

65 61 Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 27, 2014 10:09 AM (PtOuS)

Yes, yes he did and what he ran on was tying employment in the fucking industry to actual results....

and what we wound up with was Tedster Kennedy running the legislation.

Pretty much the textbook definition of "bait and switch" but hey at least the popcorn they shared was good.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 10:11 AM (/4AZU)

66 Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at September 27, 2014 09:43 AM (/4AZU)

BRAVO!

Well said.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 27, 2014 10:11 AM (KK+mC)

67 I don't have anything against Haley, but is there anything that sets her apart as a Conservative leader apart from her gender?
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SC gets well-ranked for fiscal management. She's been stalwart on E-verify. Very good on guns, iirc. Married to a career military man.

Click the link above to see the write up from last week:

http://minx.cc:1080/?post=351758


Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:12 AM (zDsvJ)

68 And it's
1
2
3
What are we voting for?
Don't ask me I don't give a damn.
Next stop is RINO-land.
And it's
5
6
7
Open up the socialist gates.
Ain't no time to wonder why
Whooppee for diversity!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 27, 2014 10:12 AM (8MlTP)

69 Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:10 AM (zDsvJ)

Unfortunately you are correct.

He just cancelled payments to the state retirement fund....payments he loudly announced a few years ago as vital for the state's return to fiscal responsibility.

Blowhard, bully, disrespectful of my God-given right to self defense.

Yuck.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2014 10:12 AM (Zu3d9)

70 56
I don't have anything against Haley, but is there anything that sets her apart as a Conservative leader apart from her gender?

I don't know much about her and I haven't really seen her lead any "fights" on a national level.

I don't really know much about Jindal eithet but I vaguely associate him with pushing back against Common Core.



Posted by: @votermom at September 27, 2014 10:06 AM (cbfNE)

She is the most conservative gov in the country. And yes, she doesn't like common core either.

Posted by: Vic at September 27, 2014 10:14 AM (T2V/1)

71 I'm still stuck on the fact that more people voted for McCain in '08 than for Obama in '12 (59.9 mil. vs. 59.8 mil).

Which means what? My guess: enthusiasm was down across the board but the I'm-Not-A-Racist vote for Obama was still a determining factor. That or/and everyone who hadn't voted in '08 got some of that welfare action and with it a voter registeration form.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at September 27, 2014 10:14 AM (MgV3d)

72 http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/195664/

So did anyone see this link at Instapundit yesterday? There's a strong possibility of corruption in how Ohio State handled a "scandal" involving its marching band. They fired their director based on a report filled with lies, distortions, and out-of-context statements from witnesses. Soon after this, the Department of Education announced it would be ending its own Title IX investigation of OSU ahead of schedule, effectively letting OSU and its administrators off the hook all because of one fired band director.

Posted by: Carolus at September 27, 2014 10:15 AM (3ACyA)

73 61 He ran on reforming Education with national standards. you claim it was a surprise .

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 27, 2014 10:09 AM (PtOuS)

And what we got was "no child" which was generated by Teddy Kennedy and federal takeover of local schools.

Posted by: Vic at September 27, 2014 10:17 AM (T2V/1)

74 Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:02 AM (zDsvJ)

Ah, my bad. Have to admit to not listening closely/exiting the commercial as fast as possible. I *personally* was annoyed by it (beyond thinking they meant *this* Huntsman) because it makes it sound like the Huntsman in question is the only one *really* concerned in fighting cancer.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 27, 2014 10:17 AM (GDulk)

75 If I really seriously had to nominate an ultra-dark-horse candidate who isn't on ANYBODY's radar at all, I'd say Rep. Tom McClintock of Commiefornia.

One of the great road-not-taken moments in Commiefornia political history was when the CA GOP had a choice between McClintock and Ahnuld Groppenfuhrer. I was pulling for the former.

Sadly, the CA GOP instead chose the plastic Austrian android from Hollyweird, who went on to demonstrate that he was a flaming liberal Democrat in Republican drag.

I don't think McClintock is running, or that he wants to run, and I doubt he's electable nationally, but I will always have a soft spot for the guy after one particular position paper he wrote on public education, "A Modest Proposal For Saving Our Schools".

http://preview.tinyurl.com/l5t43df

It's flipping brilliant.

And I would just love to see comparably witty, deeply factual takedowns, one by one, of each and every one of the big federal agencies and federal programs, detailing just how incredibly inefficient and wasteful they are at what they purport to be doing.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2014 10:17 AM (noWW6)

76 As long as politicians can finance the welfare state we will get what we have now. I expect the winter to be cold (Al Gore effect). The economy to sour (Obama effect). The illegals head back south (bad economy and no EBT card effect). The student-debt-slaves go with them (weather matches their clothes and visit-exotic-new-friend's birthplace effect). Depopulated North America starts looking like Japan. Japanese move to US (Chernobyl effect).

Posted by: Huggy at September 27, 2014 10:18 AM (PGh+Q)

77 Yeah, an ever-growing amount of industrial chemistry is done in China. Worked down the hall from a "custom chemical synthesis" company a few years ago; they did a bit of work in their labs, probably whatever epa would let them, but mostly they were repackaging stuff that came in crates from China.
All Chinese company, by the way, even their management barely spoke Engrish.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 27, 2014 10:19 AM (go6ud)

78 >>Have to admit to not listening closely/exiting the commercial as fast as possible.

I'm sure that was as intended.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:20 AM (zDsvJ)

79 Comment 76. Don't use angle braces or part of your sentence will disappear.

Posted by: Huggy at September 27, 2014 10:20 AM (PGh+Q)

80 Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 27, 2014 10:19 AM (go6ud)

Low purity crap. But cheap, so there is a huge market for it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2014 10:20 AM (Zu3d9)

81 I like Nikki Haley a lot. How can we get her to run?

I realize she needs to get re-elected first (when is that election?), but then can we get her to run? I think she could win.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:21 AM (zDsvJ)

82 Moderate says to conservative - "look, we need to pull together. If my guy wins, we need to unite for the good of the party. Yeah, my guy might not be your cup of tea, but he's better than the alternative. We're on the same team here."

Conservative wins primary.

Moderate says to conservative - "your guy's too extreme, can't support him."

Posted by: duke at September 27, 2014 10:21 AM (enhDu)

83 Posted by: Huggy at September 27, 2014 10:20 AM (PGh+Q)

Fixed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2014 10:21 AM (Zu3d9)

84 I get a woody just thinking of Trey Gowdy debating Hillarycandycrowley. Does that make me some ... new sexual orientation?

Posted by: Bobby at September 27, 2014 10:22 AM (4HYng)

85 That figures.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 27, 2014 10:22 AM (go6ud)

86 81 Y-Not,

This fall....there is a moce in the SC GOP to get her to run.

Senor Graham-McCain notwithstanding.

Posted by: sven10077 at September 27, 2014 10:24 AM (EGJAj)

87 When you hear Jon Huntsman talk about the "severe climate crisis" and how "we must all do our part"? Yeah. It's total self-serving crap. Huntsman is looking at the incredible deal that his Euro counterparts got, and rubbing his hands at the thought that his family might arrange for a comparably lucrative public giveaway in the USA for their own worn-out old industrial assets.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2014 09:54 AM (noWW6)



THIS^^^^


Anybody still flogging AGW and "green energy" is just looking for a way to loot the taxpayers to give huge amounts of money to cronies.

I mean, Solyndra just has to give all these connected guys huge boners.

Nearly, half a billion in gov't guaranteed loans(do you see the trick?), and-

whoopsie-daisey! We went bankrupt! Don't worry about what happened to the money or how it was spent, the gov't guaranteed the loans.

It's okay...


So, Christie, Huntsman, and Jebbie-Poo are are big AGW/Green energy mooks-

that means high prices/fewer jobs for the middle class who's still in recession-

Do. Not. Want.


Add into that amnesty from all three and really - what's the point in voting Rep here?

Same corruption, same dicking around the middle class, same lack of jobs, same Obamacare-

just different flavor.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2014 10:24 AM (KBvAm)

88 I'm sure that was as intended.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:20 AM (zDsvJ)

Quite possibly. I mean, an almost 10 minute commercial between playlist songs? I wonder if people are meant to do what I did and associate the name with the current Huntsman.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 27, 2014 10:25 AM (GDulk)

89
Electing me 45 will make it a trifecta, and that's the American way.

Posted by: JEB at September 27, 2014 10:25 AM (3/wAJ)

90 >>This fall....there is a moce in the SC GOP to get her to run.

Well, that's great. She is in my top three. Probably in my top two, actually.

My top five are Perry, Haley, Cruz, Jindal, Walker.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:25 AM (zDsvJ)

91 ynot

i don't get the second poll......i'm confused which is a usual state for me to be in .......why are my favorite candidates at the bottom

i find all of the people in the first poll vile and unacceptable to vote for and would not vote for any of them......

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at September 27, 2014 10:26 AM (u8GsB)

92 81
I like Nikki Haley a lot. How can we get her to run?

I realize she needs to get re-elected first (when is that election?), but then can we get her to run? I think she could win.


Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:21 AM (zDsvJ)

She is up for reelection this fall.

Posted by: Vic at September 27, 2014 10:27 AM (T2V/1)

93 Comment on 70 about Haley. (Humor on) She's an attractive woman in a non-artificial way, so she must be a Republican Conservative.

Posted by: Huggy at September 27, 2014 10:27 AM (PGh+Q)

94 "He ran on reforming Education with national standards"

And when was that ever a conservative position?

Somewhere along the way, the default reasoning in the GOP on this key issue became pivoted in a dangerous direction.

We once had Reagan saying "federalization of education is clumsy and wasteful, and it's dangerous because it gives D.C. bureaucrats too much power over children, so let's return control to states and municipalities."

We ended up with Bush The Lesser Still (as distinct from his dad Bush The Lesser) saying "let's set up a system so incredibly centralized in D.C. that Ted Kennedy will happily endorse it, _but_ we'll promise to manage it responsibly".

Well, Bush The Lesser Still went bust, and left office with utterly cratered approval ratings, ruined the GOP's electoral prospects for years to follow, and made it impossible for anyone in the GOP to plausibly succeed him and maintain continuity of his supposedly "responsible" policies.

Thus we got Obama, and the Democrats immediately seized upon Bush The Lesser's education "reforms", and turned them into the sprawling hydra-headed Common Core monster.

So: no more of this "reform" malarkey. The only "reform" to federalization of education should be evacuating the Department of Education and dismantling the building.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2014 10:28 AM (noWW6)

95 i don't get the second poll......i'm confused which is a usual state for
me to be in .......why are my favorite candidates at the bottom
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The names should be randomized in their display order.

It's just a "pick your five top candidates to go against the Democrat in the general".

I'll probably start dropping the names of people who are not pulling any/many votes in subsequent polls.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:28 AM (zDsvJ)

96 Ballotpedia puts Haley in the firmly right conservative camp. The only hiccups appear to be strongly favors campaign finance reform and neutral on privatizing SS. She has a few unknowns but is generally strong on everything else. Got some more detail, Sven?

The campaign finance thing is slightly worrisome because I'd prefer my candidates not to support unconstitutional actions.

Posted by: duke at September 27, 2014 10:29 AM (enhDu)

97 Wood Chipper/Ham Sammich 2016!

You're doing a heckuva job, Y-not. I wouldn't even begin to be able to give the vast majority of these buffoons any semi-positive, less-than-utter-rejection words. You're giving them honest and (sorry, but it's the only word I can think of) fair writeups.

Hate to say it, but a couple of these could send me scuttling off to some Caribbean island for a vacation in November, 2016. Yes, I think I'd vote for anyone instead of Hitlery Clinton or (* retching *) Lieawatha Warren, but there are limits....

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 27, 2014 10:30 AM (A17aa)

98 Cthulhu/Azathoth 2016

Posted by: Insomniac at September 27, 2014 10:32 AM (fdgsv)

99 Apparently the world's ugliest future presidential candidate was born early this morning!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2014 10:33 AM (D/504)

100 ynot

ok....what confused me is the " ALL of these candidates are acceptable to me" comes before the bottom four listed....but i'm not caffeinated up enough yet

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at September 27, 2014 10:33 AM (u8GsB)

101 Thanks, Mr Scribbler.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:33 AM (zDsvJ)

102 I would not vote if the Republican candidate for President were one of these three. Cfuk it...and them.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 27, 2014 10:33 AM (60Vyp)

103 Rice/Peterson 2016

Posted by: Insomniac at September 27, 2014 10:34 AM (fdgsv)

104 Hey, another poll question.

After Bush 41 (Bush The Lesser), we got eight years of Bill Clinton.

After Bush 43 (Bush The Lesser Still) we got eight years of Barack Obama.

So once Bush 45 (Jeb!) becomes President, who will be the Democrat that we get eight years of to follow him, continuing the proud Bush family tradition of doubleheader Democratic successors?

Just to get the ball rolling:

How about PRESIDENT CHUCK SCHUMER after Jeb?

Two full terms worth of Chuck. Mmmmmmmmm hmmmm.

And boy, does he ever want the job. So bad he can taste it.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2014 10:34 AM (noWW6)

105 Jameson/Banks 2016. Now that's a ticket I can get behind.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 27, 2014 10:35 AM (fdgsv)

106 Here is what "On the Issues" says about Nikky Haley


Nikki Haley is a Hard-Core Conservative.

Posted by: Vic at September 27, 2014 10:35 AM (T2V/1)

107 Before WOT he crossed the aisle to vote with Ted The Swimmer for two new socialist programs. Yes, liberal RINO.

See, this is the problem. Poster lists several conservative things Bush did, and the response is "Yea, but NCLB!" I agree that NCLB wasn't conservative, but that doesn't mean those other things weren't. Our side has elevated letting the perfect be the enemy of the good to an art form. We have no appreciation of incrementalism, and we should, that's what got us to where we are now, the Donks are superb at it. Let's take abortion; Roe isn't going to be overturned anytime soon, and for many strongly pro-life folks if that isn't a candidate's publicly stated goal, well, they don't want to hear any more. I'd be thrilled to death if we could get a president who focuses on making Gosnell the face of abortion and manages to open a serious dialogue over post viability abortions. The vast majority of Americans oppose that. We could work to roll back abortion access to, say, European levels (They are much tougher than we are, surprisingly). Once we get there, with medical advances pushing viability back and the expansion of 3D imaging, which really shows that the unborn are perfectly human, we can go further. That's how the left got us to abortion on demand. 70 years ago abortion was culturaly anathema, so they started with "What about rape?" and went from there. I'd love to have Calvin Coolidge back in the White House. That ain't happening. Having someone roll back some of these failed progressive policies, even a little, is progress. I'll take progress.

Posted by: Weirddave at September 27, 2014 10:36 AM (9422s)

108 Comment on 71. The common explanation for the vote totals is that Mitt doesn't come across well with LIV. I consider Mccain a better candidate than Mitt even though I don't like Mccain's public persona.

Posted by: Huggy at September 27, 2014 10:37 AM (PGh+Q)

109 Is anyone here from Florida? How was Bush as governor? How much of it was him vs the legislature?

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:37 AM (zDsvJ)

110 I like my Chinese chemicals the same way I like my women, cheap.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 27, 2014 10:38 AM (WYosH)

111 Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:33 AM

Well, anything but a string of not-always-connected obscenities after certain names (who shall be nameless, but similar to Nameless Bush, Nameless Christie and Nameless Huntsman) means I didn't come up with the list.

Not really sure Ben Carson is anything more than this election's Herman Cain, but he definitely merits discussion. Conversely, anyone named "Bush" can be discarded forever and it wouldn't bother me.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 27, 2014 10:38 AM (A17aa)

112 "The only "reform" to federalization of education should be evacuating the Department of Education and dismantling the building."

Rather than dismantling, I'd favor burning it out and leaving the ruins in place as a reminder to future generations.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 27, 2014 10:39 AM (go6ud)

113 Hey Y-not, you forgot someone!

Posted by: Mitt Romney at September 27, 2014 10:39 AM (ZqguR)

114 Everybody left the EMT for this...?

Lemmings...

Posted by: CPT. Charles at September 27, 2014 10:39 AM (lJaja)

115 Somebody needs to stand up for optimistic economic populism.

The bankers in NYC and the government toadies are the only people making money. Real estate in NYC and Marthas Vineyard is exploding in value, while American workers live in houses whose value is still positive only because of the Fed. Jobs are lower in number than in December 2008, middle class income has declined solidly throughout the Progressive disaster, and millennials have no place they can afford other than their parents basements.

Unleash energy producers. Flatten taxes. Get rid of (up against a wall would be OK with me) government bureaucracy. Break up the banks and reinstate Glass-Steagal even wile undoing Dodd Frank and the Warren Star Chamber Agency. Put the IRS, the EPA and the Justice Department under the fucking prosecutorial microscope.

Lets buy a few aircraft carriers, beg the 8000 Master Chiefs. to please come back, revive our alliances and make some fucking money. My wife wants to build a lake house.

Posted by: MTF at September 27, 2014 10:39 AM (6um35)

116 I didn't see Olympia Snowe on the list. She was always my dream candidate, but alas that ship has sailed.

I'm very concerned that the extremists have taken over my Republican party. If our nominee is too extreme, I might consider voting for Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at September 27, 2014 10:40 AM (Ks4nX)

117 I like Haley a lot.

If Hillary! is the Dim Nom(like Dim Sum she's dumpling shaped),

Haley is the natural opponent.

Younger, dynamic, smart, ethnic - she'd be quite a contrast.


If the Dim Nom isn't Hillary!, Haley is still a great choice-

esp after the Dims cleared all that battle-space about the war on women.


I like Perry but I'm starting to see Haley as a strong second choice that could easily become my first choice.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2014 10:40 AM (KBvAm)

118 WeirdDave's thread is up.

IOW... NOOD.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:41 AM (zDsvJ)

119 Having someone roll back some of these failed progressive policies, even a little, is progress. I'll take progress.

I agree.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 27, 2014 10:41 AM (glk59)

120 What a great post. Big content. And so participitory. Someone cares. I surveyed my ass off.

Posted by: Hugh Jass at September 27, 2014 10:42 AM (QdqbP)

121 To right this country we need a true conservative & not a moderate.

I like Jindal but I'm afraid he won't appeal to entire country.

I'm going to stay with Perry since we have two years & he's got plenty of time to learn what he didn't know last time. In addition to back surgery he was sitting Governor & was dealing with huge wildfires in Texas at the time. How do people of TX feel if Governor is debating when he should be in Tax dealing with fires?

If Ricardo is here, I know, Perry always disappoints.

Posted by: Carol at September 27, 2014 10:46 AM (sj3Ax)

122 Nice post. It obviously involved lots of hard work and research.

I got as far as "wood chipper" and cast my vote.

Posted by: rickl at September 27, 2014 10:47 AM (sdi6R)

123 I like Perry but I'm starting to see Haley as a strong second choice that could easily become my first choice.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2014 10:40 AM
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Me, too.

Right now on a visceral level, I prefer Perry. But that's largely because I've seen more of him.

Haley seems to have many of the upsides of Perry or Walker with none of the negatives. There is no reason that I can see for the GOPe and money men to oppose her. And she's been through a dirty primary -- and emerged unscathed. So I think she's somewhat battle-tested.

And, frankly, I like that she's married to a military guy. That's at least a nod toward military service, which none of them have (except Perry).

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:47 AM (zDsvJ)

124 >>Somebody needs to stand up for optimistic economic populism.


Well-said. I agree.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:48 AM (zDsvJ)

125 How does a candidate who scores low in fiscal freedom and low in social freedom get called a "populist?"


That's an authoritarian Statist in my book.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 27, 2014 10:49 AM (21Cwq)

126 >>Hey Y-not, you forgot someone!

I know! I've been procrastinating.

I will probably do a Huckabee vs Romney Cage Match thread, just to make it amusing for myself.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 10:49 AM (zDsvJ)

127 "The bankers in NYC and the government toadies are the only people making money."

Missed one. The crony capitalists in Silicon Valley are raking it in.

The tech oligarchs pay tribute to Barack Obama to go blather about "taxing the 1%" while at the same time Obama discreetly leaves alone these particular one-percenters' ludicrously complicated tax avoidance schemes.

Note that previous eras in Silicon Valley were ones that produced broad middle-class prosperity and plenty of jobs for ordinary workers.

This new era of GooFaceTer is different. The vast majority of the money is staying at the top. The Silicon Valley middle class is vanishing just as it has been doing elsewhere in the country. And there are fewer jobs today in the Valley than there were fourteen years ago.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2014 10:50 AM (noWW6)

128 Did I post that Massachusetts electrici rates are going up 37% soon?!!!!!!!'

Open up,Keystone Pipeline! I'm worried about heating oil bills this winter & now have to add 37% increase in electricity!!!!!

Posted by: Carol at September 27, 2014 10:50 AM (sj3Ax)

129 For example, Huckabee is no populist. He's just a stinking Statist with a religious veneer.

Jeff Sessions is a populist for standing up for middle class jobs.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 27, 2014 10:51 AM (21Cwq)

130 Actually, of that bunch, I think Huntsman is the more electable.

Christie plays well in NY/NJ. They like that rough style.

It's despised in the South and Midwest.

Jeb is, in fact, the most conservative, but he's stubborn and arrogant. He cannot accept that the base (and, in fact, most of the electorate) doesn't see immigration the way he does.

As with Common Core, you can see how he stakes out a position and will not let go, insulting everyone else in the process.

Huntsman may be wrong most of the time, but he's at least a telegenic personality.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 27, 2014 10:51 AM (b4b5c)

131 I wonder if the target of Jeff Sessions extensive arguments against amnesty is actually....

Nikki Haley?

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 27, 2014 10:53 AM (21Cwq)

132 Yup, the end is near.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at September 27, 2014 10:53 AM (cgWjy)

133 I'm trying to decide who to vote for in the LA Senate race: the not-so-conservative who could actually beat Landrieu or the actual conservative.

If Cassidy doesn't get 50%, he and Landrieu will have a run off. That would mean more money spent and a chance that somehow she could win, so some people are saying the usual "don't vote for the conservative or we'll all die" but I am not convinced.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 27, 2014 10:54 AM (0xTsz)

134 Posted by: Carol at September 27, 2014 10:50 AM (sj3Ax)

holy cow!!!! 37%.....that's a budget buster for everyone except the takers who will receive subsidies.... the makers will be told to put on another sweater...

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at September 27, 2014 10:56 AM (u8GsB)

135 107 Before WOT he crossed the aisle to vote with Ted The Swimmer for two new socialist programs. Yes, liberal RINO.

See, this is the problem. Poster lists several conservative things Bush did, and the response is "Yea, but NCLB!" I agree that NCLB wasn't conservative, but that doesn't mean those other things weren't. Our side has elevated letting the perfect be the enemy of the good to an art form. We have no appreciation of incrementalism, and we should, that's what got us to where we are now, the Donks are superb at it. Let's take abortion; Roe isn't going to be overturned anytime soon, and for many strongly pro-life folks if that isn't a candidate's publicly stated goal, well, they don't want to hear any more. I'd be thrilled to death if we could get a president who focuses on making Gosnell the face of abortion and manages to open a serious dialogue over post viability abortions. The vast majority of Americans oppose that. We could work to roll back abortion access to, say, European levels (They are much tougher than we are, surprisingly). Once we get there, with medical advances pushing viability back and the expansion of 3D imaging, which really shows that the unborn are perfectly human, we can go further. That's how the left got us to abortion on demand. 70 years ago abortion was culturaly anathema, so they started with "What about rape?" and went from there. I'd love to have Calvin Coolidge back in the White House. That ain't happening. Having someone roll back some of these failed progressive policies, even a little, is progress. I'll take progress.
Posted by: Weirddave at September 27, 2014 10:36 AM (9422s)

There isn't enough time left to gradually reverse what has been done over the last hundred years.

Collapse and recovery are our destiny.

Vote for those who can well affect those two things.

Posted by: eman at September 27, 2014 10:56 AM (MQEz6)

136 I follow Perry on Twitter and he's been traveling to China and posting a bunch of stuff that seems like it's trying to show he has foreign policy experience.

His feed (https://twitter.com/GovernorPerry) and Jindal's are interesting (https://twitter.com/BobbyJindal)

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 27, 2014 10:58 AM (0xTsz)

137 I hear you moan, moan, moan . . .

I hear you moan,

'cause there's a fat man

in New Jersey

with the blues . . .

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 27, 2014 10:58 AM (JO9+V)

138 82 Moderate says to conservative - "look, we need to pull together. If my guy wins, we need to unite for the good of the party. Yeah, my guy might not be your cup of tea, but he's better than the alternative. We're on the same team here."

Conservative wins primary.

Moderate says to conservative - "your guy's too extreme, can't support him."


This. We need to constantly be pointing out to our "moderate" friends that Ted Cruz is not extreme; Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin, Pat Leahy, Bernie Sanders are extreme.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 27, 2014 11:00 AM (21Cwq)

139 82 Moderate says to conservative - "look, we need to pull together. If my guy wins, we need to unite for the good of the party. Yeah, my guy might not be your cup of tea, but he's better than the alternative. We're on the same team here."

Conservative wins primary.

Moderate says to conservative - "your guy's too extreme, can't support him."


This. We need to constantly be pointing out to our "moderate" friends that Ted Cruz is not extreme; Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin, Pat Leahy, Bernie Sanders are extreme.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 27, 2014 11:00 AM (21Cwq)

140 Over all Jeb wasn't a bad governor, but he has made such an ass of himself with amnesty and common core since leaving office I don't think I could vote for him again.

Also political parties should not be family businesses. So fuck the Bushes, the Clintons, and the Kennedys, and all the rest of the dynasty builders.


Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at September 27, 2014 11:00 AM (M6Vhk)

141 Christie really hasn't done shit to improve NJ's business climate, he hates gun owners, I dislike prosecutors in general, he luvs amnesty -- Yep, I'll take the wood chipper on this one.

Bush 3 -- Probably the best of this bunch of hosers; I could vote for him if I was dead drunk at the time. And I would be.

Huntsman -- When I'm thinking 'anyone but Romney', he AIN'T on that list. Invest heavily in wood chipper sales.

OT -- The OK beheader was shouting islamic phrases as he chopped off her head, per a local reporter's tweet of a witness statement:

http://tinyurl.com/ovyku2e

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 27, 2014 11:00 AM (Hh1sR)

142 Missed one. The crony capitalists in Silicon Valley are raking it in.
==================

I agree with everything you said.

Posted by: MTF at September 27, 2014 11:01 AM (6um35)

143
I personally hope Christie goes down in the primaries because I don't trust him.

I don't like Christie on a personal level, but I could easily vote for him over Hillary if it came to that. I think that's such a childish response when "your guy" doesn't win.

Even though Christie having a bipartisan moment right before the election with Obama was incredibly selfish, I don't think that means he's a closet leftist. He's center-right against a Hillary who was writing love letters to Saul Alinsky.

The more Republicans lose, the more they're going to move to the Left. So this strategy of "if the Republican is not perfect, I'll make sure he loses" is certainly not going to drive the Party rightward.

If you want to start a 3rd Party, just get on with it instead of constantly threatening to leave the GOP. You'll have the same politicians that have to make the same compromises, but at least the mascot will be different.

Posted by: Uniden at September 27, 2014 11:02 AM (13G+x)

144 Even though I did not pick her, after thinking about it, I'd love to see Palin get the nomination - any Hillary vs. Palin debates would be outstandingly yummy. Out of everyone mentioned above, she really is the only one who has no fear.

Other than that, I tend to favor candidates who have the ability to effectively use smash-ball tactics - Cruz, Perry, Gowdy - against the Avalanche of Shit that will be thrown at them 24/7.

Posted by: joanne at September 27, 2014 11:02 AM (s/quq)

145 BTW, if conservatives really wanted to field a candidate that would be a shoo in to beat Hillary Clinton, we'd nominate Governor Susana Martinez.

She's incredibly charismatic, has a Reagan-charm about her, and would help us with both the female and Latino vote.

Posted by: Uniden at September 27, 2014 11:05 AM (13G+x)

146 "I'm worried about heating oil bills this winter now have to add 37% increase in electricity!!!!!"

Yikes, Carol.

Massachusetts, and New England more generally, are facing many years of steep price hikes for electric power.

Because the left-wing ecoholics in the state governments there have been forcing the shutdown of coal and nuclear plants faster than replacement capacity can come on line.

And, the "free" wind and solar the greeniacs are pushing as replacement capacity turns out to cost a mint. Who knew?

Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2014 11:07 AM (noWW6)

147 That's right, not voting for a guy who backs amnesty, common core, and higher taxes is acting childish.

Posted by: Jeb at September 27, 2014 11:07 AM (HstNY)

148 BTW, if conservatives really wanted to field a candidate that would be a
shoo in to beat Hillary Clinton, we'd nominate Governor Susana
Martinez.
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Yeah, she's intriguing.

I think she's hurt a bit coming from New Mexico. But I did notice that NM is considered to be well-managed, fiscally. However, jobs and other economic indicators aren't great. It's hard to tease out what is the D legislature's fault vs what the governor can do.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 11:09 AM (zDsvJ)

149 There isn't enough time left to gradually reverse what has been done over the last hundred years.



Collapse and recovery are our destiny.


If you could show me one example from history, just one, when a societal collapse was followed by anything other than a totalitarian state, I might consider your point. Lacking that, however, I'm of the opinion that the "recovery" part of your equation is a pure fantasy.

Posted by: Weirddave at September 27, 2014 11:09 AM (9422s)

150 i really like gov martinez

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at September 27, 2014 11:09 AM (u8GsB)

151 133
I'm trying to decide who to vote for in the LA Senate race: the
not-so-conservative who could actually beat Landrieu or the actual
conservative.



If Cassidy doesn't get 50%, he and Landrieu will have a run off.
That would mean more money spent and a chance that somehow she could
win, so some people are saying the usual "don't vote for the
conservative or we'll all die" but I am not convinced.





Posted by: Mama AJ

Landrieu always seems to survive because she gets to go to the runoff.

Knocking her off in round 1 would be my first priority, not having a feel good moment pulling the lever for a candidate you know is going to lose.

And Cassidy is a conservative imo. His ACU rating last time I checked was 92%.

Posted by: Uniden at September 27, 2014 11:11 AM (13G+x)

152 Those "Issues Favor/Oppose" don't do it for me

The question should be "what issues are they very willing to switch positions on depending on how the wind blows, and which are hills they will die on"

That dot on the chart will bounce around like a pinball if done that way

Posted by: kbdabear at September 27, 2014 11:13 AM (aTXUx)

153 Beat me about the head and shoulders if you will-----BUT I will vote for Christie (holding nose) over the other RINOS because he is a junk yard dog in my opinion. He would not handle Shrillary with kid gloves. She would not put that shrinking violet, I am a tiny woman schtick over on him. Thats the reason--the only reason-- I would back him. So there.

Posted by: AnnaS at September 27, 2014 11:13 AM (Npv5I)

154 We don't need to feed the tribal mentality, but I like neutralizing Shrillary with another woman, and a minority to boot (but not a minority the GOP can be accused of pandering to).

The trouble is, with the world going to shit, the LIVs will believe that Hillary's foreign policy "experience" is a plus, instead of the train wreck that it actually was.

If you nominate a governor, FP will come back to the forefront.

Ted Cruz, Canadian, for President!

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 27, 2014 11:14 AM (21Cwq)

155 Posted by: kbdabear at September 27, 2014 11:13 AM (aTXUx)

This^^^

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 27, 2014 11:15 AM (21Cwq)

156 Yeah, she's intriguing.

I think she's hurt a
bit coming from New Mexico. But I did notice that NM is considered to
be well-managed, fiscally. However, jobs and other economic indicators
aren't great. It's hard to tease out what is the D legislature's fault
vs what the governor can do.


Posted by: Y-not

I really don't think voters look anymore at the state the nominee comes from and how well its managed. Had Obama been Governor of Illinois, he still would have won despite the fact the state is a basket case.

The Low Info voters will see that Martinez is charming, a woman (there goes the War on Women meme), and a Latino (there goes the racist meme) and came from humble roots (there goes the old rich guy meme)

Believe me, the Clintons will flip out if shes the nominee. They would much rather go up against a Rick Perry, it would be a lay up.

Posted by: Uniden at September 27, 2014 11:15 AM (13G+x)

157 >>Knocking her off in round 1 would be my first priority, not having a feel good moment pulling the lever for a candidate you know is going to lose.

Yeh, I hear you.

>>And Cassidy is a conservative imo

I'll have to read more about him.

Thanks for responding!

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 27, 2014 11:17 AM (0xTsz)

158 153
Beat me about the head and shoulders if you will-----BUT I will vote for
Christie (holding nose) over the other RINOS because he is a junk yard
dog in my opinion. He would not handle Shrillary with kid gloves. She
would not put that shrinking violet, I am a tiny woman schtick over on
him. Thats the reason--the only reason-- I would back him. So there.

Posted by: AnnaS

I agree with this, Christie is a fighter. I don't see him letting the Clintons slap him around. I also admired Giuliani in the same way.

He may not be as conservative as I would like, but I think often times our side loses because we're scared of our own shadow.

Christie is like nominating Tony Soprano. He's not going to take it lying down.

Posted by: Uniden at September 27, 2014 11:18 AM (13G+x)

159 If Cassidy doesn't get 50%, he and Landrieu will have a run off. That would mean more money spent and a chance that somehow she could win, so some people are saying the usual "don't vote for the conservative or we'll all die" but I am not convinced.

Honestly, the protest vote might feel good and you'd get the runoff anyway, but we know what's going to happen:
(1) Cassidy gets 50% and goes to DC.
(2) Cassidy gets less than 50%, forces a runoff and wins.
(3) Cassidy gets less than 50%, forces a runoff and loses to Landrieu.

Either way, there's no True Conservative in the Senate from that seat.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 27, 2014 11:19 AM (b4b5c)

160 Phoenix Girl,
It is a budget breaker!
I heard it & thought it was proposed not APPROVED!

Posted by: Carol at September 27, 2014 11:20 AM (sj3Ax)

161 Finally, I'd like to hear from you who else we should discuss in upcoming weeks. Consider this a Draft My Gal or Guy poll:
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Heh.

Posted by: mrp at September 27, 2014 11:20 AM (JBggj)

162 Believe me, the Clintons will flip out if shes the nominee. They would much rather go up against a Rick Perry, it would be a lay up.

She won't be the nominee. She's not doing the work for it. She could be VP. It would invite comparisons to Palin, of course.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 27, 2014 11:20 AM (b4b5c)

163 Posted by: AnnaS at September 27, 2014 11:13 AM (Npv5I)

That's true. Christie takes things personally and if the MSM and the Dems don't play nice with him, he will be relentless back at them.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 27, 2014 11:22 AM (b4b5c)

164 Christie is like nominating Tony Soprano. He's not going to take it lying down.
Posted by: Uniden at September 27, 2014 11:18 AM (13G+x)

just remember he'll do unto conservatives what liberals will do.... & he's not a fan of the 2nd amendment

i'll never get the picture of that fat f*** waltzing down the storm ravaged nj shore with the scoamf.....photo op deal with the devil....he's dead to me.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at September 27, 2014 11:23 AM (u8GsB)

165 Yeah, Martinez is another one that I'm starting to like.

Mostly, because she is a likable persona and clearly smart. Again the contrast with Hillary! would be devastating.

I haven't seen any huge negatives with Martinez yet.

A Haley/Martinez ticket or vice-versa?


I don't know,

but the GOP needs to break the pattern now. Otherwise, we're going to be stuck with endless "Historic First" Dim Presidents who the GOP is too afraid to oppose.

Haley or Martinez could be the way to break that pattern and move the country forward.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 27, 2014 11:24 AM (KBvAm)

166 There's only one (former) governor with the foreign policy chops to challenge Shrillary.

But I have to hold back the vomit when I think about him running yet again.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 27, 2014 11:24 AM (21Cwq)

167 >>(2) Cassidy gets less than 50%, forces a runoff and wins.

Well, in theory, Cassidy sees that the conservatives voted for Maness and says "wow, I need to work harder to get the support of conservatives so they'll come out and vote for me in December" and...

Sigh.

I know.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 27, 2014 11:25 AM (0xTsz)

168 Christie is like nominating Tony Soprano. He's not going to take it lying down. Posted by: Uniden at September 27, 2014 11:18 AM (13G+x)

>>
just remember he'll do unto conservatives what liberals will do.... he's not a fan of the 2nd amendment

i'll never get the picture of that fat f*** waltzing down the storm ravaged nj shore with the scoamf.....photo op deal with the devil....he's dead to me.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at September 27, 2014 11:23 AM (u8GsB)

>>>

This. To infinity and beyond.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 27, 2014 11:25 AM (JO9+V)

169 Mexico is our number one geopolitical foe.

Posted by: Rick Perry at September 27, 2014 11:25 AM (21Cwq)

170 149 There isn't enough time left to gradually reverse what has been done over the last hundred years.



Collapse and recovery are our destiny.

If you could show me one example from history, just one, when a societal collapse was followed by anything other than a totalitarian state, I might consider your point. Lacking that, however, I'm of the opinion that the "recovery" part of your equation is a pure fantasy.
Posted by: Weirddave at September 27, 2014 11:09 AM (9422s)

Collapse doesn't have to be complete. We can steer it and cushion it if we have certain things in place.

When the Federal Empire collapses the States will still be there.

Focus your voting on those Federal folks who want the States to be strong.

Weirddave, you cant stop the collapse, but you can affect it.
You can't formulate a plan to do so except to strengthen people and institutions wherever you can.

Posted by: eman at September 27, 2014 11:26 AM (MQEz6)

171 She won't be the nominee. She's not doing the work for it. She could be VP. It would invite comparisons to Palin, of course.
============

Serious question: What kind of work does someone with a 95%+ name recognition rate need to do? If she announced and asked everyone that "likes" her on her Facebook page for $10 (and she would get that, easily), that's $44 million right there.

Posted by: mrp at September 27, 2014 11:30 AM (JBggj)

172 168 Christie is like nominating Tony Soprano. He's not going to take it lying down. Posted by: Uniden at September 27, 2014 11:18 AM (13G+x)

>>
just remember he'll do unto conservatives what liberals will do.... he's not a fan of the 2nd amendment

i'll never get the picture of that fat f*** waltzing down the storm ravaged nj shore with the scoamf.....photo op deal with the devil....he's dead to me.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl, I Heart the SF Giants at September 27, 2014 11:23 AM (u8GsB)

>>>

This. To infinity and beyond.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 27, 2014 11:25 AM (JO9+V)

If Mitt had won, Christie would have had to to wait until 2020 to run for Prez.

It was an easy call for Gov. Flabbie.



Posted by: eman at September 27, 2014 11:31 AM (MQEz6)

173 Aack. Sorry, you meant Hillary. I've seen that formulation so many times the fingers work automatically.

Posted by: mrp at September 27, 2014 11:34 AM (JBggj)

174 149
If you could show me one example from history, just one, when a societal collapse was followed by anything other than a totalitarian state, I might consider your point.

Posted by: Weirddave at September 27, 2014 11:09 AM (9422s)



Oh, I don't know. I'm sure there are countless examples from history where collapse was followed by a period of roving bands of warlords.

Recovery? Not so much.

Posted by: rickl at September 27, 2014 11:40 AM (sdi6R)

175 Well, being from jersey, all I can say is that the democrats here are pretty much a whole different level of slime. You've seen the douche tools we have here when they make the national news. It's amazing christie gets anything done with the scumbags he has to deal with. I don't know how much has changed, but I get the sense that he did put the brakes on the slide that was happening with that fucking jerkoff corzine, and that pole smoker Mcgreedy before him. I'm guessing its how he got reelected, because things "feel" different. The one vibe I do get from him is that he isn't a "do as I say and not as I do" type. He seems to believe the law should be applied equally. A few years back the state tried to crucify some dude that moved to jersey and was bringing his guns with him. He did all the right stuff legally, yet the state tried to prosecute him. Christie personally intervened and pulled this dude out of the fire because he did actually follow the law. He may not like guns, but I would bet my left fucking nut that any other scumbag democrat governor, corzine, mcgreedy, florio, etc would have let this dude swing. I think he tries to have integrity.


That being said, I think he's a north eastern squish, and that fucking stroll of his with obama along the jersey shore proves to me that he can be a fucking retard. Obama used him as a prop and he was too stupid to see it. I'll never forgive him for that stupidity, anybody with half a brain would have saw that coming.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 27, 2014 11:48 AM (FMbng)

176 Thanks for participating, everyone.

I think upcoming threads will cover Romney, Huckabee, Carson, Pence, Sessions, and Palin.

I'll start dropping the really low vote-getters from the polls, as well.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 11:48 AM (zDsvJ)

177 If you could show me one example from history, just one, when a societal collapse was followed by anything other than a totalitarian state, I might consider your point.

Posted by: Weirddave at September 27, 2014 11:09 AM (9422s)

Don't know how exactly you are defining societal collapse but our Civil War was not exactly a piece of cake.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 27, 2014 11:48 AM (KkxTF)

178 >>Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 27, 2014 11:48 AM

Appreciate hearing from a NJer. Thank you.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 11:49 AM (zDsvJ)

179 I am not convinced that Romney is a RINO. He IS a businessman and, as such, is guided by the idea that only policies that move the organization forward are useful. I don't believe anyone can argue that he doesn't have the best interests of this country at heart. Therefore, his policy stances are those that most efficiently move the country ahead.
We have two major problems in this country: the economy and defense. He has proven to be far ahead of the curve in both instances. He has also proved that he can learn from his mistakes. Those that don't vote at all because a candidate is not considered sufficiently pure or who vote for impossible candidates like Ron Paul or that other little twit from Texas years ago are the ones who don't learn.
After all of the drama and sturm and drang of the past 6 years, I don't think people will vote for the same from the other side of the aisle. I think it's time for some positive (even if a little dull) competent, adult leadership. It's not in the libertarian end of the party and it's not in the evangelistic end, but there are plenty of good competent people on the conservative end of the rest of the field.

Posted by: Dennis at September 27, 2014 11:50 AM (K00IC)

180 159
If Cassidy doesn't get 50%, he and Landrieu will have a run off. That
would mean more money spent and a chance that somehow she could win, so
some people are saying the usual "don't vote for the conservative or
we'll all die" but I am not convinced.



Honestly, the protest vote might feel good and you'd get the runoff anyway, but we know what's going to happen:

(1) Cassidy gets 50% and goes to DC.

(2) Cassidy gets less than 50%, forces a runoff and wins.

(3) Cassidy gets less than 50%, forces a runoff and loses to Landrieu.



Either way, there's no True Conservative in the Senate from that seat.

Posted by: AmishDude

+1

I could understand if it was a truly tight race, but the end result is the same except Landrieu's chances of actually winning go up quite a bit with Round 2. That's how she won last time.

Democrats traditionally do REALLY WELL in one-off elections and runoffs because they are able to make sure all the public sector employees get to the polls, whereas our is much harder to turn out.

And honestly, Cassidy is not a bad conservative at all. It's not like we're talking about McCain or Lyndsey Graham. He's just a a bit milquetoast but he'd be a 100% improvement over Landrieu.

Posted by: Uniden at September 27, 2014 11:50 AM (13G+x)

181 just remember he'll do unto conservatives what liberals will do.... he's not a fan of the 2nd amendment



i'll never get the picture of that fat f*** waltzing down the storm
ravaged nj shore with the scoamf.....photo op deal with the
devil....he's dead to me.....



Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl,

I agree that it was a shit thing to do, but is it really worth letting the country go through Hillary Clinton as President as a form of revenge?

Regarding the 2nd Amendment, I think Christie is shrewd enough to know not to touch that on a federal level. He was basically for the status quo in NJ as Governor. I don't like it, but I fear Hillary taking my guns far more than Christie.

I understand not voting for Christie in the Primary, but I'm not sitting out the Election if he's the guy. You'll have to explain to me what value that has for my country and my family.


Posted by: Uniden at September 27, 2014 11:54 AM (13G+x)

182 I really like the made up political spectrum -

Left Liberal,
Right Conservative

About as meaningful as the current construct that Democrats are left liberal and Republicans are right conservatives (and clearly anti-liberal - anti-rights)

Libertarian on the top,
'Populist' on the bottom

I get it - 'Populist' is the public persona of an authoritarian statist thug ass-raping the general public - but they tell the public that they are doing it for the little guys, so 'populist'.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 27, 2014 11:59 AM (NaeCR)

183 If any of these three shitbags get the nod I'm writing in Sean Sorrentino who is running on the "not the boss of you" platform.



https://www.facebook.com/PresidentNotTheBossOfYou

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 27, 2014 12:07 PM (6fyGz)

184 Hitlary wants to rule us, no doubt...but at least she wants to rule the most powerful country in the world.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 27, 2014 12:08 PM (6fyGz)

185 I agree that it was a shit thing to do, but is it
really worth letting the country go through Hillary Clinton as President
as a form of revenge?

Regarding the 2nd Amendment, I think
Christie is shrewd enough to know not to touch that on a federal level.
He was basically for the status quo in NJ as Governor. I don't like it,
but I fear Hillary taking my guns far more than Christie.

I
understand not voting for Christie in the Primary, but I'm not sitting
out the Election if he's the guy. You'll have to explain to me what
value that has for my country and my family.




Posted by: Uniden at September 27, 2014 11:54 AM (13G+x)


I'm with you there. I don't sit out elections. I may get pissed off at certain republicans, and not totally trust other ones, but it pails in comparison to the contempt I have for any silly green Chairman Mao hat wearing motherfucker that is the democrat. My job is to cancel out the vote of any scumbag that votes for that shit.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 27, 2014 12:08 PM (FMbng)

186 Jindal
Perry
Walker

We need to coalesce early against one of these (any of the would be wonderful) and then we need to fight for that man like a Basterd.

I also threw Mike Lee into the mix on that last poll.

Posted by: Jindalmania at September 27, 2014 12:13 PM (zu1j7)

187 Did I say against? I meant "for." I'm already in "against" mode.

Posted by: Jindalmania at September 27, 2014 12:15 PM (zu1j7)

188 "A few years back the state tried to crucify some dude that moved to
jersey and was bringing his guns with him. He did all the right stuff
legally, yet the state tried to prosecute him. Christie personally
intervened and pulled this dude out of the fire because he did actually
follow the law."




Yeah...no. He let the guy go to prison first, and then instead of a pardon he gave the poor shmuck a commutation of sentence instead..which means he is STILL a convicted felon and STILL not allowed to have his guns. And the worst part about that? It was a bullshit conviction in the first damn place, the only reason the guns were in the car at all is he was transporting them from one place of residence to the other (moving out of his mothers house into an apartment) and his mother was worried he was suicidal so called the f'n cops who called him back and then busted him because now he wasn't transporting from one place of residence to the other. Fucking assholes. He should have NEVER been arrested and should have NEVER been prosecuted.


Crispy Cream is not a friend of gun owners in any way shape or form, and the only reason he did the "right" thing here is because he was feeling the heat from the 2A activists. Same deal with the nurse from PA. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on, he might be conservative from a NJ standpoint but I think he's best left where he is since he appears to be doing some good there.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 27, 2014 12:16 PM (6fyGz)

189
Bush, Christie, or Huntsman as a Republican candidate for president should be a sign to all that we no longer have a representative republic or free and fair elections.

Arguing which Democrat calling himself a Republican one would vote for is part of our current national insanity. God save us, please.


Posted by: CO at September 27, 2014 12:19 PM (ub3ge)

190 The political spectrum graph is made up bullshit. Questions are framed so that respsonces would predicably put one into the left-right democrat-repub axis.

for example-

topic 1 on abortion - social scale,
- accepting abortion as a woman's right moves you 5 pts right,
- requiring taxpayers to pay for abortions moves you 5 pts left

topic 10 on guns - economic scale
- accepting gun ownership as a right moves you 5 pts right
- requiring permission to get a gun moves you 5 pts left.

Now why would supporting tax payer dollars move a candidate up the 'social' scale (but not down the economic scale)?
And why would recognizing the bill of rights move up the 'economic' scale (instead of up the social scale)?

Is it because the people who made the scale rigging it to put candidates into the traditional left-right demo-repub scale?

You can be certain that if the grading followed more objective standards the more dems would fall into the 'populist' (aka authoritarian statist thug) catagory and more repubs would fall into the libertarian field on top.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 27, 2014 12:30 PM (NaeCR)

191
Which Republican conservative is the likeliest to take no prisoners?

That is the question.

Posted by: Jindalmania at September 27, 2014 12:30 PM (zu1j7)

192
"Jindal ended by warning that 'a rebellion is brewing' and that the American people are 'ready for a hostile takeover from the entrenched interests in Washington, DC.'"

Sign me up.

Posted by: Jindalmania at September 27, 2014 12:39 PM (zu1j7)

193
RINO Records proudly presents - The New Christie Spinstrels!

Chris, Jeb and Jon, crooning the hits 'Merica wants to hear!

My Country's Amnesty

Spending Tonight in the Cold, Cold Ground (The Ballad of ObamaCare)

Unchain My Budget

and many, many more!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at September 27, 2014 12:47 PM (8RkPl)

194 "191


Which Republican conservative is the likeliest to take no prisoners?



That is the question."

Roger that.

Posted by: CO at September 27, 2014 01:03 PM (J02cj)

195 182
I get it - 'Populist' is the public persona of an authoritarian statist thug ass-raping the general public - but they tell the public that they are doing it for the little guys, so 'populist'.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 27, 2014 11:59 AM (NaeCR)



Yep. See Hugo Chavez.

He destroyed the Venezuelan economy and wiped out the middle class, but the poor worship him. Even though they would be better off with a functioning economy and middle class.

Posted by: rickl at September 27, 2014 01:08 PM (sdi6R)

196 Yeah...no. He let the guy go to prison first, and
then instead of a pardon he gave the poor shmuck a commutation of
sentence instead..which means he is STILL a convicted felon and STILL
not allowed to have his guns. And the worst part about that? It was a
bullshit conviction in the first damn place, the only reason the guns
were in the car at all is he was transporting them from one place of
residence to the other (moving out of his mothers house into an
apartment) and his mother was worried he was suicidal so called the f'n
cops who called him back and then busted him because now he wasn't
transporting from one place of residence to the other. Fucking assholes.
He should have NEVER been arrested and should have NEVER been
prosecuted.




Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at September 27, 2014 12:16 PM (6fyGz)


Woah, didn't know that. All I heard about was the cops were jerkoffs (shocked) and christie got involved somehow to keep the dude out of jail. I thought he was pardoned. Fucking jersey, I should have known not to trust the local news.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at September 27, 2014 01:39 PM (FMbng)

197 Thank you for your poll responses. I'll make a list and try to get the rest covered over the next few weeks.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2014 05:40 PM (zDsvJ)

198 56 I don't have anything against Haley, but is there anything that sets her apart as a Conservative leader apart from her gender?

Considering that that is the basis on which approximately half of the country is already planning to select the next president, I don't know what more she needs than that.

(This is not a slam at Haley, but at the low-information voters of this country and the press that will be leading them.)

Posted by: Joshua at September 27, 2014 11:27 PM (4CDVC)

199 1. Walker
2. Jindal
3. Perry/Cruz (though I really don't think a 1st term senator should be running for president no matter how much I like them, Cruz would certainly be better qualified than the last such candidate (I know that's damning with faint praise, though its definitely not my intention), so I'd still be more excited about him than most of the potential candidates)

but I'd crawl over broken glass to vote for any of them against any conceivable Democrat. Of them, I'd have the most trouble voting for Rand Paul because I'm increasingly worried that the nut doesn't fall far from the tree, and Christie is the one I have the most variable feelings toward. When he's ripping apart stupid Democrats or the media (but I repeat myself) he's maybe as good as it gets, but when he's kissing up to them, I want to strangle him...if I could fit my hands around his neck, anyway. Since the lead up to the 2012 election though, its been way too much of the latter and not enough of the former.

Posted by: tintex at September 28, 2014 02:47 AM (hK4Qh)

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