Shocker: Alberta, Canada Schools Reinstate Classic Multiplication Tables Drilling; New Study Shows Power of Memorization-Based Learning

Another fashionable failure.

Alberta's experiment seems similar to the approach in Common Core.

When school returns next month in Alberta, for example, the requirement for students to memorize the multiplication tables will be reinstated, following an awkward climb down by the province's education ministry in March.

One critic of the government’s adoption of "discovery-based learning," Ken Porteous, a retired engineering professor, put it bluntly: "There is nothing to discover. The tried and true methods of addition, subtraction, multiplication and division work just fine as they have for centuries. There is no benefit and in fact a huge downside to students being asked to discover other methods of performing these operations and picking the one which they like. This just leads to confusion which ultimately translates into frustration, a strong dislike for mathematics and a desire to drop out of any form of mathematics course at the earliest opportunity."

A new study demonstrates that memorization is not some crude manner of learning, but rather one that remains vital. They monitored the brains as young children did simple math by various means, from counting on fingers to applying memorized rules. They monitored them over a period of time as the kids advanced in mathematical sophistication.

The hippocampus, the part of the brain associated with factual memory, appears important in stimulating the higher reasoning functions of the brain.

"In particular, the hippocampal system appears to be critical for children’s learning of mathematics in ways that are not evident in adults who have mastered basic skills," the authors write. It appears to play a "critical, time-limited, role” in fostering "the gradual establishment of long-lasting knowledge represented in the neocortex," a brain area of higher order functions.

This process is "time-limited" because the hippocampus’s role seems to taper off once this knowledge has been "consolidated" elsewhere in the brain...

In effect, as young math students memorize the basics, their brains reorganize to accommodate the greater demands of more complex math. It is a gradual process, like "overlapping waves," the researchers write, but it clearly shows that, for the growing child's brain, rote memorization is a key step along the way to efficient mathematical reasoning.

So if I understand that, the hippocampus -- the repository of simple memorized facts -- eventually imprints its memory into the neocortex, the higher-level reasoning part of the brain. And thus memorization is just the first step (in the hippocampus) that leads to actual understanding (in the neocortex).

I've argued this before, so I won't belabor the point, but I think this is where the Education wonks (and I use that term advisedly) keep going wrong:

1. They notice that higher-performing kids don't actually seem to use memorized times tables to do simple math, but instead seem capable of quickly intuiting an answer.

2. Therefore, they assume, the memorization process actually retards learning, and so if you want to make lower-performing kids into higher-performing kids, you just teach them insight and intuition (true understanding) and skip that boring memorization step.

This, I contend, is wrong. This is Cargo Cult -- mistaking the end-product of the process for the process required to achieve it.

The actual thought process should be:

1. Higher-performing kids don't actually seem to use memorized times tables to do simple math, but instead seem capable of quickly intuiting an answer.

2. This is because higher-performing kids have already incorporated and then surpassed the simple memorization stage of problem analysis.

2a. The higher-performing kids began as memorized-answer-repeaters, but eventually their memorized answers simply became incorporated into their working knowledge/intuition base.

3. Higher performing kids reach this step in cognitive evolution before their peers because they're higher performing kids, not because they're doing things differently than lower-performing kids. They're just going through the steps of cognition faster than their peers. (Many high-performing kids, by the way, come into first grade already having memorized a lot of the addition tables and times tables, because their parents already taught them that -- no government school needed.)

4. Ergo, we really should make sure that lower-performing kids master the memorization process, too, so that they too can eventually move on to true understanding.

I don't know how hard it is to understand that memorization is something that can be taught rather easily, whereas insight, intuition, and deep understanding is not something that can be taught easily. In fact I don't think it can be taught at all, and certainly not by people who themselves are only capable of teaching the second grade.*

Understanding must arise from within the student himself. You can only prepare his mind for that leap, and you prepare the mind by the tried and true methods.

I think Common Core will fail in teaching kids actual mathematical insight, while simultaneously failing to teach them the memorized facts required to achieve that insight on their own.

* This isn't as much of a knock on 2nd-grade teachers as it might appear. My suspicion is that insight cannot be taught beyond a trivial level except by natural geniuses who are specifically natural geniuses in the areas of pedagogy and psychology.

I think such people are rare, and certainly we don't mint another hundred thousand of them every single year in this country's education departments.

I could probably do it but, you know, I'm busy.

Why Is It... that everyone recognizes the absurdity of the Music Man's "think method" of learning how to play instruments, but then decides that such a system ought to work with math and reading?

No one taught the Beatles how to write songs. They learned to write songs by drilling constantly, by playing multiple shows a night (sometimes at multiple venues a night) in Hamburg. Playing and playing and playing. Sometimes playing a full 24 hours straight. (Amphetamines helped with this.)

Their insight into how hit songs were written came from first memorizing the notes (and the structure, and the tricks) of hundreds of pop songs that they played constantly, night after night after night.

And eventually, their hippocampi passed this knowledge to their neocortexes, which then was able to assemble the scattered pieces of rote learning into new configurations, and they wrote "She Loves You."

Which might not be the greatest song in the world but it was a huge success and it was one of their early ones.

The only one who didn't wind up knowing how to write songs was Ringo and that's because he was Just a Drummer.

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1 First?

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at August 25, 2014 02:58 PM (fk1A8)

2 Flash card sales suddenly surge

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2014 02:58 PM (Q6T1Z)

3 But first, we demand a raise!

--Teacher Union

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 25, 2014 02:58 PM (Ms8Th)

4 I learned my multiplication tables by listening to them said over and over and over through headphones, then by writing them out over and over and over after that. I hated it, but I sure did learn them.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at August 25, 2014 02:59 PM (fk1A8)

5 Shocker, eh?

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2014 03:00 PM (+imwf)

6 Well duh.

Posted by: Dang at August 25, 2014 03:00 PM (MNq6o)

7 This just leads to confusion which ultimately translates into frustration, a strong dislike for mathematics and a desire to drop out of any form of mathematics course at the earliest opportunity."

....and become a liberal economist or climate scientist.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Suntanning in Bizzaro World at August 25, 2014 03:00 PM (LVrD6)

8
wow did you hear Sharptons eulogy?

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 25, 2014 03:00 PM (IbrTD)

9 Every ten years or so the liberal educracy tries "new math". They tried it when I was in the 7th grade. It sucked then, it sucks now.

Posted by: Vic at August 25, 2014 03:00 PM (T2V/1)

10 I was told there would be no math on this blog.

Liars.

Posted by: Jaws at August 25, 2014 03:00 PM (eKZp1)

11 I read through some of my Dad's 8th grade math and history homework a while back. Believe me, we have slipped into stupid a long ways.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2014 03:00 PM (xWW96)

12 Ace, when I President, will you be Secretary of Lerning?

Posted by: Meekle at August 25, 2014 03:00 PM (kqHcW)

13 wow did you hear Sharptons eulogy?

Posted by: Soothsayer

Sob we much?

Posted by: Dang at August 25, 2014 03:01 PM (MNq6o)

14 hippocampus -- the simple repository of memorized facts

---
hmm.

Hippocampus is the part of your brain that learns new patterns.
When you sleep at night your hippocampus teaches what it learned to your neocortex. It then basically wipes itself clean to learn new stuff the next day.

This memory consolidation is why performance can improve after sleep.

If you get a tumor in hippocampus or it is destroyed somehow, you will seem normal at first. But you won't be able to learn new things. (actually you can learn new motor skills, though you won't remember learning them).

Posted by: Franch Dressing at August 25, 2014 03:01 PM (zwdxl)

15 If in your wisdom you feel we should learn to crawl before we walk, I mean, that's fine too.

Posted by: Stephen Hathaway Blair at August 25, 2014 03:01 PM (J0IP0)

16 Those higher performing kids will need to be knee- capped or something....equality, you know.

Posted by: BignJames at August 25, 2014 03:01 PM (j7iSn)

17 wow for only being 45% some nice points.

Obviously the answer to schooling and all other governmental agencies. is "THROW MORE MONEY"

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2014 03:02 PM (HVff2)

18 So 3 x 5 can't equal whatever the special snowflakes want it to equal?


Dayum...harsh.

Posted by: Tami at August 25, 2014 03:02 PM (v0/PR)

19 If I throw this kid off. Building he'll learn to fly....

//Commie Core

Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2014 03:02 PM (/4AZU)

20 Baby Huey, right after knocking off a convenience store and roughing up the attendent, and then blocking traffic and attacking a cop and getting shot to death, was a gentile soul. Obviously.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2014 03:03 PM (xWW96)

21 Hey, I have this new way of teaching math and will gladly give all you school board members trips to Bermuda if you adopt my textbook and I can get an endowed professorship of education at (insert school name here).

Ten years later, we wonder why kids are dumb as shit.

Every Asian country uses rote memorization of this stuff and they kick the crap out of us in mathematics.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 25, 2014 03:03 PM (659DL)

22 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 03:03 PM (PYAXX)

23
Hippocampus = Women's Studies Department Faculty

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 25, 2014 03:03 PM (TIIx5)

24 I forgot to add that 3x3=9 is racist, misogynist, and carbon heavy.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 25, 2014 03:04 PM (659DL)

25 When I was in school, the brought out SMSG*, which we Jr. High schoolers termed 'Some Mathematician Sure Goofed.'

*School Mathematics Study Group

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 25, 2014 03:04 PM (Ms8Th)

26 8
wow did you hear Sharptons eulogy?


My TV has a tard-dampening feature.

What did not-so Sharpton say?

Posted by: Citizen X at August 25, 2014 03:04 PM (7ObY1)

27 There's a quick scene in "Waiting for Superman" with a teacher who understood the importance of rote memorization. When her kids had trouble with them, she didn't try and replace them with something else. Instead, she came up with songs for the kids to sing. If the kids learn the song - and kids like to learn songs - then they also memorize whatever it is they're studying.

Of course, there's nothing particularly new about this. It's the way I learned my multiplication tables many moons ago. But the fact that each teacher apparently needs to come up with it on their own is a problem. This is the sort of thing that teachers should be learning in those classes that they need to attend for their state certifications.

Posted by: junior at August 25, 2014 03:04 PM (UWFpX)

28 Understanding must arise from within the student himself. You can only prepare his mind for that leap, and you prepare the mind by the tried and true methods.


The tried and true methods are that way because, get this, at one time they were the experimental methods and that experiment worked.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 25, 2014 03:04 PM (mf5HN)

29 And I still remember my pencil case with the slider on it for the tables. And yes, you can still get them.



http://tinyurl.com/k3xcxmh

Posted by: Vic at August 25, 2014 03:04 PM (T2V/1)

30 Burn the heretic!

Posted by: NEA at August 25, 2014 03:04 PM (eAJwE)

31
This memory consolidation is why performance can improve after sleep.

And yet, pulling all-nighters and acing the test feels so deliciously taunty.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 25, 2014 03:04 PM (JtwS4)

32 23
Hippocampus = Women's Studies Department Faculty




Could be the thread winnah!

Posted by: Citizen X at August 25, 2014 03:05 PM (7ObY1)

33 I think that was a 68% post.....

Posted by: Ian Galt at August 25, 2014 03:05 PM (dmepw)

34 It was instructive to me, that my live in Girl Friend a few years ago... one of the Top Middle School Math teachers in Colorado... one that was constantly on curriculum committees and testing boards...

Could not figure out a 15% tip in her head... without serious thought.

She TAUGHT the discovery Math crap....

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 25, 2014 03:05 PM (f0pWu)

35 These new fashions in education are created to give the members of education colleges something to do besides teach the blindingly obvious. Change what works to something new; get grants; study it; get more grants; study it; change back to previous teaching methods.

Repeat process to continue access to grants.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Get a Dudgeon for Your Curmudgeon at the Outrage Outlet! at August 25, 2014 03:05 PM (hLRSq)

36 Next thing you know, American schools are going to require that students be able to read as a graduation requirement. The horror.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 25, 2014 03:05 PM (0Jb7F)

37
29And I still remember my pencil case with the slider on it for the tables. And yes, you can still get them.



Yep, but unlike your's Vic, they are no longer made from Diplodicus bone.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2014 03:06 PM (xWW96)

38 20 Baby Huey, right after knocking off a convenience store and roughing up the attendent, and then blocking traffic and attacking a cop and getting shot to death, was a gentile soul. Obviously.


A Gentile soul?

Posted by: Citizen X at August 25, 2014 03:06 PM (7ObY1)

39 Perhaps these academic geniuses could apply the same logic to speech. You don't give underperforming kids Shakespeare and say, "Have fun, Little Eisteins." You have to establish/memorize a ruleset on simple things like letters and words and sequence order before assembling a higher-order sentence or paragraph.

But how else are these Education Majors from academia going to justify their phoney-baloney jobs [*harumph*]?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel w/ 65% Brain Still Taking a Nap at August 25, 2014 03:06 PM (1CroS)

40 19 If I throw this kid off. Building he'll learn to fly....

//Commie Core

Posted by: sven10077


Turkeys, WKRP in Cincinnati, laughter

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2014 03:06 PM (HVff2)

41 First, we close all the Ed schools.

Posted by: Zombie Will Shakespeare at August 25, 2014 03:06 PM (HBAcW)

42 In many ways, this is the story of Obama.

No, wrong meme.

In a sense, this is a rear-guard action. The real question is, why should kids learn math? They can always just ask someone else or punch it into their phone. The government will do their taxes for them; their employer (should they be unlucky enough to have one) will do their paycheck for them. The cash register will ring up items for them.

This argument assumes that government schools care whether students learn math. If math is just an afterthought to something else, it doesn't matter who's right.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 25, 2014 03:07 PM (J0IP0)

43 36 Next thing you know, American schools are going to require that students be able to read as a graduation requirement. The horror.


There better not be any cursive, sir.

Posted by: Rachael Jeantel at August 25, 2014 03:07 PM (7ObY1)

44 Memorization requires discipline that these younger kids and young adults don't have.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at August 25, 2014 03:07 PM (6hj0e)

45 and certainly not by people who themselves are only capable of teaching the second grade.

...seems to me the people who demanded kids count on their fingers instead of just learning the damn multiplication tables *aren't even* capable of teaching the second grade.

(in before the butthurt from Morons married to elementary teachers?)

Posted by: HR needs donuts at August 25, 2014 03:07 PM (/kI1Q)

46 Hippocampus links patterns and sensory stimuli to teach your neocortex at night.

One of the biological models for PTSD is that the hippocampus gets overloaded.

When something horrible happens to you, the hippocampus tries to remember and correlate every possibly stimuli -- it's basically saying, let's make sure this (attack, explosion, rape, etc, etc) never, even happens again so let's remember every last sight, smell, sound associated with it so we can avoid it.

During teach back during sleep these sensory memories are reactivated, which causes nightmares, which wakes the person up.

Problem is, the hippocampus won't wipe clean until it gets the signal from the neocortex that the teachback process was completed. When you wake up from the nightmares, the teachback process is interrupted.

The result is the next day the hippocampus is still holding onto to your horrible traumatic event memory with a death grip. Cause they hippocampus is saying, we almost fucking died, we can't ever forget what happened, cause we have to make sure to avoid it in the future.

The hippocampus has a limited capacity. The result is PTSD sufferers have reduced memory.

This is just one biological theory for PTSD. One treatment then is just something that will let the person sleep through and complete the teachback process. Another are drugs that just tells your hippocampus to let go of the traumatic event memories so you can just forget them.

Posted by: Franch Dressing at August 25, 2014 03:07 PM (zwdxl)

47 Math is also a step on learning to reason and deduce unknowns from limited information.

It teaches mental discipline and organization.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 25, 2014 03:07 PM (2hPuZ)

48
Posted by: Citizen X at August 25, 2014 03:06 PM (7ObY1)
I am obviously a product of public school.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2014 03:07 PM (xWW96)

49 If I ran a school district I'd offer the teachers union a pay cut or a pink slip. Because a union teacher is worth less. Much less.

Posted by: X at August 25, 2014 03:07 PM (KHo8t)

50 I've argued this before, so I won't belabor the point, but I think this is where the Education geeks keep going wrong:

I think you're giving Education too much credit.

No, the difference is this: memorization is hard. "Intuition" (by which Education means "guessing") is easy.

Memorization takes time, and effort. It requires drills and practice. Guessing and making up a line of bullshit for why you "believed" in your answer takes much less time and effort.

Then, when the kids don't know anything, the teacher can say, "Ah! But we taught them to think!"

Anyone remember "mad minutes" from elementary school? You had a page of math problems and 1 minute to finish as many as you could. That was memorization practice, but teachers *hate* that kind of thing.

Also, pure memorization is easy to test- and therefore it's easy to know if the teacher has succeeded. With "intuition" based lack-of-learning, it's very hard to tell if the teacher "succeeded."

This is the same thought process behind "no standardized tests."

*Obligatory Note: I refer to teachers in general, with whom I do have a fair amount of experience. Exceptions are, by definition, exceptional.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 03:08 PM (PYAXX)

51 Repeat process to continue access to grants.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Get a Dudgeon for Your Curmudgeon at the Outrage Outlet! at August 25, 2014 03:05 PM (hLRSq)


That.... and of course the School Book lobby...

Everytime they change something in the 'way' they teach... its a whole new bunch of books to buy.

Common Core... prime example...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 25, 2014 03:09 PM (f0pWu)

52 Ways to improve your local schools

1) don't hire 'education' majors

2) RIF current teachers with 'education' majors

3) Rinse, repeat

Posted by: phreshone at August 25, 2014 03:09 PM (xKIE3)

53 2 + 2 = chair

Posted by: Larry "Bud" Melman at August 25, 2014 03:09 PM (yn6XZ)

54 @38 A Gentile soul?
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While probably not intended, I suspect that applies as well.


Posted by: junior at August 25, 2014 03:09 PM (UWFpX)

55 And yet, pulling all-nighters and acing the test feels so deliciously taunty.

One of the weird things I thought was true in college was that pulling an all-nighter, and then sleeping for about two hours, I did better than pulling an all-nighter and going straight to close and even better than pulling an all-dayer and getting a full night's sleep.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair, pulling all night and all day at August 25, 2014 03:09 PM (J0IP0)

56 wow did you hear Sharptons eulogy?
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 25, 2014 03:00 PM (IbrTD)


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So please tell us. I wasn't paying attention to FNC when they were showing him. Other than, "kill whitey", what else did he say?

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2014 03:09 PM (nrZl8)

57 Every ten years or so the liberal educracy tries "new math". They tried it when I was in the 7th grade. It sucked then, it sucks now.
Posted by: Vic at August 25, 2014 03:00 PM (T2V/1)

Mr. Euclid wasn't fond of your class either; "bunch of snot-nosed brats" was what he wrote down.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Get a Dudgeon for Your Curmudgeon at the Outrage Outlet! at August 25, 2014 03:09 PM (hLRSq)

58 Gee, I wonder when cursive writing will make a comeback?
I'm sure if someone did a study, they would find that teaching first and second graders how to put a bunch of curves and straight lines together into a word helps with fine motor skills, shape differentiation, angles and curve measurements, etc.
Not to mention that writing in cursive is a hell of a lot faster when taking down an order, writing a note, filling out a form, writing a check.....

Posted by: Jen at August 25, 2014 03:09 PM (8Re0P)

59 Anybody with 45% of a brain already knew this.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2014 03:10 PM (DrWcr)

60 I've reinstated rote memorization of the multiplication tables in my home. No school my children have been to does it. They've been to three different Catholic schools over 6 years. This year is their first foray into public school. I'm terrified. This is like expecting kids to play Mozart on the piano before they practice scales.

Posted by: no good deed at August 25, 2014 03:10 PM (w3a0Z)

61 In my day we pressed our answers into soft mud cakes.

Posted by: Theodore Rex at August 25, 2014 03:10 PM (jGJv8)

62 http://is.gd/A7nQFs

Posted by: Bigby's Extended Pinky at August 25, 2014 03:10 PM (3ZtZW)

63 http://is.gd/jZ5zc4

Posted by: Bigby's Extended Pinky at August 25, 2014 03:10 PM (3ZtZW)

64 If the kids learn the song - and kids like to learn songs - then they also memorize whatever it is they're studying.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VjcUOmPS5k

Posted by: HR needs donuts at August 25, 2014 03:10 PM (/kI1Q)

65 There's a quick scene in "Waiting for Superman" with a teacher who understood the importance of rote memorization. When her kids had trouble with them, she didn't try and replace them with something else. Instead, she came up with songs for the kids to sing. If the kids learn the song - and kids like to learn songs - then they also memorize whatever it is they're studying.

Of course, there's nothing particularly new about this. It's the way I learned my multiplication tables many moons ago. But the fact that each teacher apparently needs to come up with it on their own is a problem. This is the sort of thing that teachers should be learning in those classes that they need to attend for their state certifications.
Posted by: junior at August 25, 2014 03:04 PM (UWFpX)



Conjunction Junction what's your function?

I still remember having to write out the preamble to the Constitution and the teacher informed us there would be no singing or humming. Do you know how difficult it is to write out the preamble without humming the Schoolhouse Rock song?


I'm just a bill. I'm only a bill. And I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 25, 2014 03:10 PM (mf5HN)

66 heh

Posted by: Bigby's Extended Pinky at August 25, 2014 03:10 PM (3ZtZW)

67 A good night of sleep means a fresh hippocampus ready to learn new patterns the next day. This happens then this happens and there's a certain sound and then a certain smell and then this happens and then that happens, but only if it looks this way, otherwise it does that.

Posted by: Franch Dressing at August 25, 2014 03:11 PM (zwdxl)

68 Practice. We talkin' about practice.

Posted by: Allen Iverson at August 25, 2014 03:11 PM (xKIE3)

69
Who says memorized learning is dead?

Why ove the last few weeks, we've witness the memorized learning that an unarmed minority teen was shot dead because he was an unarmed minority teen.

It ain't math that being memorized. Its ideology thru the use of narratives

Posted by: Pedro at August 25, 2014 03:11 PM (wKKdQ)

70 Gee, I wonder when cursive writing will make a comeback?

That's retarded, Sir.

Posted by: Genteel Whatserface at August 25, 2014 03:11 PM (W5DcG)

71 The Hippo Campus is Populated by large feminazis

Posted by: On College Campuses Everywhere at August 25, 2014 03:11 PM (nbGZj)

72 Everybody who makes money by selling "new methods" and "new textbooks" is always looking for the next "new" thing so they can profit from it.

Nothing wrong with that if the "new" thing actually works. But having kids pretend to learn math, and having a lot of new books teaching how to pretend instead of how to do it, has done an awful lot of damage.

Kind of like how having a president who pretends to be a president instead of actually is a president is damaging.

Posted by: WhyMe at August 25, 2014 03:11 PM (l9mF2)

73 500!

Posted by: No Fat Chicks at August 25, 2014 03:11 PM (yn6XZ)

74 My TV has a tard-dampening feature.

A T-chip?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2014 03:11 PM (DrWcr)

75 This reminds me of something that frustrated me in high school.

Essays were my weak point - I didn't have an opinion on what the author meant or what greater idea was in the book. I also didn't have the elementary 1-6 English education most other US kids had on grammar or whatever they teach you in those.

On the flip side, I had the math tables well memorized in my younger years, and all the math classes were a breeze.

Somewhere in college, I read more on what other people thought, and started putting thoughts together to the point I had an opinion of my own, but all the writing before then was just ... *blank stare at screen*

Posted by: CM at August 25, 2014 03:11 PM (0NdlF)

76 This time we got it right. Now we want another raise.

Posted by: outstanding teachers at August 25, 2014 03:12 PM (WNERA)

77 Clearing the way for a conservative government in Alberta in 15 years.

Posted by: Jean at August 25, 2014 03:12 PM (TETYm)

78 They've been to three different Catholic schools over 6 years. This year is their first foray into public school. I'm terrified. This is like expecting kids to play Mozart on the piano before they practice scales.

My limited experience going from Catholic grade school to a government high school is that it was very much like learning to play Mozart and then practicing scales. Minus the "and then practicing scales" part. After eight years of Catholic school, our local high school was, sans two, maybe three instructors, a joke.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 25, 2014 03:12 PM (J0IP0)

79 We put men on the moon using people that learned that way, so why change it again.
I worked with aguy that made his sons memorize the multiplication tables 30 years ago when they did away with them. A few years later his sons were thanking him because they were able to solve problems and the rest of the calss could not

Posted by: Cicero Skip at August 25, 2014 03:12 PM (FIrEF)

80
The real question is, why should kids learn math?

Quelle horreur! It's more than just arimithetic. It's learning a language of logical thinking. People who can't do math are crippled intellectually.

They are mostly the 52% (and not 53%, BTW--1.7% voted for Gary Johnson)

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 25, 2014 03:12 PM (HBAcW)

81 "Math is also a step on learning to reason and deduce unknowns from limited information.

It teaches mental discipline and organization."


That's why I have a calculator.


*Says every child currently in school*

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2014 03:12 PM (Q6T1Z)

82 65 alexthechick,

Amen, a great deal of what enrages me wrt "education" is the hubris in pretending the prior 3,000 years of teachers all sucked...

Schoolhouse Rock was brilliant

Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2014 03:12 PM (/4AZU)

83 I discovered that kids learn Partial Differential Equations much quicker when fed a diet of cats.

Posted by: Alf at August 25, 2014 03:12 PM (V4DVN)

84 1+2 penalty strokes + 1 + 1 + 3 putts = par

Posted by: King Putt at August 25, 2014 03:13 PM (xKIE3)

85 It ain't math that being memorized. Its ideology thru the use of narratives
Posted by: Pedro at August 25, 2014 03:11 PM (wKKdQ)

Being repeated over and over by every televised employee of CNN(and anyone who would stop and talk to them on the street) 24/7.

Posted by: Jen at August 25, 2014 03:13 PM (8Re0P)

86 74 My TV has a tard-dampening feature.

A T-chip?
Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2014 03:11 PM (DrWcr)

So does mine, the plug is pulled.

Posted by: Jean at August 25, 2014 03:13 PM (TETYm)

87 Anyone else getting an error message when commenting?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:13 PM (SLea8)

88 34Posted by: Romeo13 at August 25, 2014 03:05 PM (f0pWu)

What this about your live-in girlfriend getting only 15% of the tip in her head...?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 25, 2014 03:13 PM (kQOYH)

89 77 Jean,

Wanna help me make a Moron colony?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2014 03:13 PM (/4AZU)

90 I've said it before, it amazes me that we have been educating children in this country for 380 years and apparently do not know how to properly educate them.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 25, 2014 03:14 PM (pexYL)

91 Hippocampus is like a general purpose pattern recognizer. It's mission is basically to notice patterns in your world and teach them to the rest of your brain while you sleep.

Posted by: Franch Dressing at August 25, 2014 03:14 PM (zwdxl)

92 We have smart phones now. They not only will take care of any math problems you may run into, they also have spellcheck, which will fix your sentences correctly 100% of the time. We can't be bothered to teach those old fashioned things anymore; besides, there isn't room to squeeze those in between the cultural studies classes and the white oppression studies.

Posted by: Typical Education Major at August 25, 2014 03:14 PM (0Jb7F)

93 This next generation of Canadian children are going to leapfrog right over the generation before them.


Sad in a way.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2014 03:14 PM (Q6T1Z)

94 People who can't do math are crippled intellectually.

And this is bad, why?

For extra points, write an essay about why it's racist, too.

Posted by: Your average government functionary at August 25, 2014 03:14 PM (J0IP0)

95 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 25, 2014 03:10 PM (mf5HN)

Can you still sing the ABC song???

"now I know my ABCs... "

Case.... closed...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 25, 2014 03:14 PM (f0pWu)

96 Very
few people of any age are capable of discovery-based learning. Hell,
many scientists aren't very good at it. Figuring something out
de novo (as opposed to applying already existing knowledge to a
new situation) is extremely difficult, and well beyond the capabilities
of most people. The history of scientific discoveries is replete with
famous, world-class scientists stumbling and bumbling their way to
enlightenment. Linus Pauling, one of the greatest scientists of the 20th
century, and in indeed of all time, famously could not figure out the
structure of DNA from its X-ray diffraction pattern (despite being
inter alia a crystallographer), and was bumbling around with a
structure with the sugars on the inside of the helix, and the nucleosides on the outside, when Watson and Crick solved the problem.

If Pauling had trouble with discovery-based learning, there's not much hope for the rest of us.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:15 PM (SLea8)

97 Memorization skills have served me well, I still remember this mnemonic from 30 years ago-

"On Old Olympus Towering Top, A Finn And German Viewed A Hop"

Or if you prefer the Moron version

"Oh, Oh, Oh, To Touch And Feel A Girl's Vagina, AH"



Fifty internet points to anyone who can tell me what that mnemonic is for without Binging it.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2014 03:15 PM (NeFrd)

98
1+2 penalty strokes + 1 + 1 + 3 putts = par

Years ago Willie Nelson was telling Howard Stern about his private golf course.

"First hole's a par 8. Yesterday I damn near birdied it"

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 25, 2014 03:15 PM (JtwS4)

99 81"Math is also a step on learning to reason and deduce unknowns from limited information.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2014 03:12 PM (Q6T1Z) You mean it teaches how to correctly deduce unknowns. The people at Ferguson seem to have the deducing on no information down pretty good.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2014 03:15 PM (xWW96)

100 That's why I have a calculator.

*Says every child currently in school*

I made my kids do the basic math thehard way, and then they could check their work with the calculator

Posted by: Cicero Skip at August 25, 2014 03:15 PM (FIrEF)

101 Aristotle knew this millennia ago.

Posted by: Phil Smith at August 25, 2014 03:15 PM (U95Fc)

102 thing is, by memorizing the tables, you get a baseline.

From that baseline, every person learns to do math in their own head according to what works best for them.

okie, so here's an example. Here's how T's brain does simple percentages:

18% of 3980.

I start left and work right: 18% of 3000 = 18x3 =54 = 540
18% of 900 = 18 x 9 = 162
18% of 80: 14.4 (I move it to 800 them juke the decimal in my head)

add 'em up: 716.4

easy peasy.

Took about 10 seconds.


Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:15 PM (x3YFz)

103 86
74 My TV has a tard-dampening feature.



A T-chip?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2014 03:11 PM (DrWcr)



So does mine, the plug is pulled.

Posted by: Jean at August 25, 2014 03:13 PM (TETYm)

So does mine. I canceled cable and saved $80 month.

Posted by: Vic at August 25, 2014 03:16 PM (T2V/1)

104 Catholic school equation. Better teachers, who work for less.

Posted by: Jean at August 25, 2014 03:16 PM (TETYm)

105 O/T Rick Perry is fighting back. Filed a 60 pp motion to toss the indictments. Story at Leg Insurrection.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at August 25, 2014 03:16 PM (6hj0e)

106 If this is 45%, I am guessing you generally operate below that threshold.


Posted by: Marcus T at August 25, 2014 03:17 PM (GGCsk)

107 What a surprise. Long term proven methods of success must be rejected to account for a new, more enlightened, way of doing things.

It is the classic result of progressivism. Millions damaged or killed in the name of progress, with no results other than the self congratulatory pats on the back for their personal feelings of superior compassion.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (is just really, really tired of it all) at August 25, 2014 03:17 PM (jOJ+2)

108 We cancelled cable when my oldest son was born, now he's ten. Other then a few football games that I had watch on a crappy web link, I haven't missed it.

Posted by: Jean at August 25, 2014 03:17 PM (TETYm)

109 I can do calculus but I loathe doing arithmetic I my head.


I'll use my cacalacka for ever the simplest addition.


But I'm profoundly lazy.

Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2014 03:17 PM (GXZgZ)

110 My fourth-grade daughter has been working through the pathetic nonsense that seems to qualify as 'math' in her school. Okay, they got to geometry substantially before I did in school, but they did so by short-circuiting much of the basics.

So she gets to do her long division and her word problems at home. Reminds me I've got to sign her up for her weekend 'Singapore Math' program for this term.

Posted by: JEM at August 25, 2014 03:17 PM (o+SC1)

111 besides, there isn't room to squeeze those in between the cultural studies classes and the white oppression studies.

...and the Gaia worship, and the fisting, and the three free meals plus snacks.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at August 25, 2014 03:17 PM (/kI1Q)

112 Took about 10 seconds.

Witchcraft! Burn him!

Posted by: Your average government functionary at August 25, 2014 03:17 PM (J0IP0)

113 We have smart phones now. They not only
will take care of any math problems you may
run into, they also have spellcheck, which will
fix your you're sentences correctly 100% 98.5% of the time.




Fixed for accuracy.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2014 03:17 PM (H6gu4)

114 Next thing you know they'll be teaching kids how to sound out words. What a world.

Posted by: huerfano at August 25, 2014 03:17 PM (bAGA/)

115 Watson discovered DNA, yet still got unPersoned.

Posted by: Franch Dressing at August 25, 2014 03:18 PM (zwdxl)

116 Millions damaged or killed in the name of progress, with no results
other than the self congratulatory pats on the back for their personal
feelings of superior compassion.


The perps get rich of your tax dollars, don't forget that part.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at August 25, 2014 03:18 PM (/kI1Q)

117 Can you still sing the ABC song???

"now I know my ABCs... "

Case.... closed...
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 25, 2014 03:14 PM (f0pWu)



Here's another fun fact. If you're ever doing filing or alphabetizing a stack of documents, stop for a second midway through. Why? Because you'll realize you are humming the alphabet song and didn't even know it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 25, 2014 03:18 PM (mf5HN)

118 Common Core is nothing more than a government-imposed program to implement the story "Harrison Bergeron" into real life. It keeps the bright students from learning anything, and makes imbeciles feel like they're normal.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at August 25, 2014 03:18 PM (iIzG7)

119 Despite their claims otherwise the left hates math. They hate math because it there are right answers and wrong answers (well until the higher levels but that's not the math we're talking about here).

The left wants there to be no absolutes. 2+2 will always have a discrete specific answer, unlike a novel or historical event that has different "interpretations" based upon one's "perspective." They can't tolerate that. So they try to destroy math education by making it basically "interpretive"

Posted by: the real ch3 at August 25, 2014 03:19 PM (IG5KL)

120 These retards fucking up education with their poorly thought out fads probably can't even come to an agreement on the definition of 'insight' or 'intuition', much less have any idea how such things could be possibly be taught. Fire. Them. All.

Posted by: model_1066 at August 25, 2014 03:19 PM (8fn7i)

121 It's like trying to drive the car without any prior knowledge on how to operate it. The result is a flaming crash.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 25, 2014 03:19 PM (GGCsk)

122 We, umm, wouldn't , ugh, need to 'member so , err, much if we all had ugh Mathe-prompters.

Posted by: Barack of the Back Nine at August 25, 2014 03:19 PM (GkUWi)

123
They may not be able to make change but they can damn sure tell you how to install a rubber.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2014 03:19 PM (xWW96)

124 Ace's post is flawed in that it seems to assume that the goal of the education system is to educate children.

Posted by: shillelagh at August 25, 2014 03:19 PM (hRzu2)

125 "Next thing you know they'll be teaching kids how to sound out words. What a world."

Fuqe that.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2014 03:20 PM (Q6T1Z)

126 They even have a horse drawn hearse for Brown.

Posted by: Pug the Boneless at August 25, 2014 03:20 PM (6V/x7)

127 Well this explains why Obama's golf score is too high.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 25, 2014 03:20 PM (GGCsk)

128 But they still can't use cursive

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 25, 2014 03:20 PM (R8hU8)

129 I tried to learn Chisanbop, back when that was a thing, but without success.

Posted by: Theodore Rex at August 25, 2014 03:20 PM (jGJv8)

130 James Conant spoke for me when he said that the College of Education was a kitten in need of a strangling.

And I wouldn't stop with the Colleges of Education, either, when it comes time to reform our universities...

Posted by: Blor Utar at August 25, 2014 03:21 PM (V4DVN)

131 I was told there wouldn't be any math on this blog

Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2014 03:21 PM (aTXUx)

132 How much intelligence is required to cash a gibsmedat check?

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2014 03:21 PM (7PZwu)

133 But I'm profoundly lazy.
Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2014 03:17 PM (GXZgZ)


It is the Moron Way.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 25, 2014 03:21 PM (mf5HN)

134
I start left and work right: 18% of 3000 = 18x3 =54 = 540
18% of 900 = 18 x 9 = 162
18% of 80: 14.4 (I move it to 800 them juke the decimal in my head)

add 'em up: 716.4

easy peasy.

Took about 10 seconds.




Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:15 PM (x3YFz)


Here's how I do it:
0.18 X 3000 = (0.2 - 0.02) X 3000 = 600 - 60 ... and so on.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:21 PM (SLea8)

135 123
They may not be able to make change but they can damn sure tell you how to install a rubber.

With the single parenthood rates, I don't think they can make that claim.

Posted by: Zhytamyr at August 25, 2014 03:22 PM (91nzM)

136 I was told there wouldn't be any math on this blog



Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2014 03:21 PM (aTXUx)


I was told there wouldn't be any evil ex-wives in this life.

Guess we're both fucked.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:22 PM (x3YFz)

137 What's the point of an indicting someone who can just pardon himself, like a inopportune burp after dinner?

Posted by: Jean at August 25, 2014 03:22 PM (TETYm)

138 Kids should not be taught to memorize the alphabet either. They should intuitively be able to read eventually.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at August 25, 2014 03:22 PM (RDiG1)

139 If they spend all this time memorizing multiplication tables, when are they going to learn fisting?

Posted by: Kevin Jennings at August 25, 2014 03:23 PM (DrWcr)

140 Posted by: Keith Arnold at August 25, 2014 03:18 PM (iIzG7)

Common Core is a Progressives dream...

Equality of RESULT, as it dumbs down the smart.... vice equality of opportunity...

And supported by the same folks who say that we are not Educating enough IT and Engineers, so we must INCREASE immigration...

So those folks who were educated the OLD way, can come and take my kids jobs...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 25, 2014 03:23 PM (f0pWu)

141 Posted by: Romeo13 at August 25, 2014 03:14 PM (f0pWu)

My kids know their ABCs backwards because of singing.

"ZYX/
WVUT/
SRQP/
O-N-M-L/
KJI/
HGF/
EDC/
B and A..."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 03:23 PM (PYAXX)

142 Kids should not be taught to memorize the alphabet either. They should intuitively be able to read eventually.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at August 25, 2014 03:22 PM (RDiG1)


And also to learn the clicks and grunts.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:23 PM (SLea8)

143 Tangonine:

18% of 3980

20% of 3980 is 2 X 3980 (7960) move the decimal over =>796

2% of 3980 is 79.6

20% minus 2% = 18%

796 minus 79.6 = 796 minus 80 plus 0.4 = 716.4


Took about 10 seconds.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2014 03:23 PM (NeFrd)

144 124 shillelagh,

Steel on target....

The goal is control so indoc indoc indoctrinate baby

Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2014 03:23 PM (/4AZU)

145 All of this assumes that actually teaching people to do math is the objective.
Currently, the exact opposite is true.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 25, 2014 03:23 PM (OCcU9)

146 The word on the Hill is that Harry Reid is planning to retire from politics to teach children with his own special methods utilizing finger puppets and shame.

Posted by: Fritz at August 25, 2014 03:23 PM (UzPAd)

147 Wikigods on Hippocampus

--
It belongs to the limbic system and plays important roles in the consolidation of information from short-term memory to long-term memory and spatial navigation.

---

Psychologists and neuroscientists generally agree that the hippocampus plays an important role in the formation of new memories about experienced events (episodic or autobiographical memory). Part of this function is hippocampal involvement in the detection of novel events, places and stimuli. Some researchers regard the hippocampus as part of a larger medial temporal lobe memory system responsible for general declarative memory (memories that can be explicitly verbalized--these would include, for example, memory for facts in addition to episodic memory).
---
In Alzheimer's disease, the hippocampus is one of the first regions of the brain to suffer damage; memory loss and disorientation are included among the early symptoms.

Posted by: Franch Dressing at August 25, 2014 03:23 PM (zwdxl)

148 My pre-calc teacher in high school said that he had been teaching long enough to see every stupid math-teaching fad come and go twice. The comment was occasioned by the math department's realization that the three years of the much vaunted combined algebra-geometry-statistics classes (AGS I, II, and III) had neglected to actually teach any algebra, and the pre-calc teachers now had to teach everyone algebra before they could get around to teaching the actual pre-calc.
I would really be surprised here if Alberta's multiplication table memorization requirement lasts very long. There's always more idiots with the same old ideas to reinvent the wheel eager to make a name for themselves, and elementary schools will soon be told to teach math in another confusing way that doesn't work and has failed many times before... The cycle continues!

Posted by: Taft at August 25, 2014 03:23 PM (d2FFC)

149 I remember the vowels through the caterpillar in Alice in Wonderland.

I wish I could blow smoke rings like that.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 25, 2014 03:23 PM (2hPuZ)

150
They may not be able to make change but they can damn sure tell you how to install a rubber.

--

You can freak out the kid behind the cash register if you round up your payment to avoid getting ones back AFTER they punch in your remittance. They can't do the numbers in their head.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 25, 2014 03:24 PM (0Jb7F)

151 My kids know their ABCs backwards because of singing.

"ZYX/
WVUT/
SRQP/
O-N-M-L/
KJI/
HGF/
EDC/
B and A..."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 03:23 PM (PYAXX)

That will serve them well when they get pulled over for DUI.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2014 03:24 PM (DrWcr)

152 "it clearly shows that, for the growing child's brain, rote memorization
is a key step along the way to efficient mathematical reasoning."

As noted, the Asian countries which routinely blow away the USA in the international educational league tables rely upon... wait for it... rote memorization in math.

The somewhat higher average intelligence quotient of those countries' monoethnic Asian populations, relative to the average IQ of the multiethnic American population, is suggested by some observers to also be a factor.

This hypothesis, of course, is not to be discussed among Americans, ever.

::: elephant in room :::

::: crazy aunt in attic :::

::: nothing to see here :::

::: move along :::

Posted by: torquewrench at August 25, 2014 03:24 PM (noWW6)

153 With the single parenthood rates, I don't think they can make that claim.

Knowing how to do something, and choosing to do it consistently, are two different things.

(I know how to make a salad. But fuck that, I'm having pizza for dinner. Even though it's not Wednesday.)

Posted by: HR needs donuts at August 25, 2014 03:24 PM (/kI1Q)

154 Here's how I do it:
0.18 X 3000 = (0.2 - 0.02) X 3000 = 600 - 60 ... and so on.

When my bar tab is that high, I usually let the barkeep write in their own tip.

Posted by: Jean at August 25, 2014 03:24 PM (TETYm)

155 Allen:
That could come in handy when the cops says 'starting with S repeat the alphabet backwards"

Posted by: outstanding teachers at August 25, 2014 03:24 PM (WNERA)

156 High performing hippocampi are Racist.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at August 25, 2014 03:25 PM (zllbf)

157 I was told there wouldn't be any math on this blog



I was told there would be no Hippocampus on this blog.


Shenanigans.

Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2014 03:25 PM (GXZgZ)

158 Not to quibble, and IANAN, but describing the hippocampus as " the repository of simple memorized facts" is definitely not true.

It plays a key role in the process of memorizing facts, but that is not where the facts actually are stored long term. Your adult knowledge of multiplication tables is not stored in your hippocampus.

In fact, you could have your hippocampus totally destroyed right now, and you'd still be able to recite your times tables.

Posted by: Franch Dressing at August 25, 2014 03:26 PM (zwdxl)

159 But they still can't use cursive



That's retarded.
--Racial Genteel
(thanks smartphone! )

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2014 03:26 PM (H6gu4)

160 Here's how I do it:
0.18 X 3000 = (0.2 - 0.02) X 3000 = 600 - 60 ... and so on.


Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:21 PM (SLea


yes!

point being: everyone develops their own quick/fast/in a hurry method. But we all start from a nice little happy baseline of memorized facts: 2 x 2 = 4, 8 x 8 =64, 3 x 7 = 21, etc etc.

Those are burned into our skulls. From those, we each move out, according to our genetic predisposition, to further cement other learning tools.

Ace is spot on on this one.

Common core is common chaos and utter bullshit. It's very much cart before horse and is going to just frustrate kids.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:26 PM (x3YFz)

161 My favorite song is the the ABCs.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2014 03:26 PM (M0mf2)

162 I volunteer in my kids class once a week for math centers.

Some of the kids memorized their multiplication tables, but others did not. They slowed they rest down. I would tell the kid to memorize them at home.

See, here's the thing: many parents are not pushing the kid to memorize the tables at home. Instead they expect the teachers to do that. Nope...that's homework.

When I was a kid we had tests on multiplication, and so you better have memorized them at home. But you can tell that today's kids don't do any "extra" homework.

Thank god my wife is from Taiwan so every day we do extra math.

Posted by: sexypig at August 25, 2014 03:26 PM (dZQh7)

163 18% of 3980

18% of 4000 = 720

18% of 20 = 3.6

720 - 3.6 = 716.4

Posted by: Theodore Rex at August 25, 2014 03:26 PM (jGJv8)

164 That could come in handy when the cops says 'starting with S repeat the alphabet backwards"

Well, as a teetotaler, I hope that never comes up. But if it happens to be useful at some point, rather than just fun, who am I to complain?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 03:26 PM (PYAXX)

165 i added some musical updates

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2014 03:26 PM (/FnUH)

166
I plan on speaking nothing but Latin in the home until the children are ready for kindergarten. We'll see if that gives them a leg up.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 25, 2014 03:27 PM (0Jb7F)

167 The only thing better than a #2 pencil for doing math is a mechanical pencil.

Don't think I would have gotten 750 on the SAT math section if it was on computer and couldn't got backwards to do the harder problems which took time.

Good test taking is an exercise in high-pressure time management... You can tell Barry only took soft courses.

Posted by: phreshone, engineer. A helluva engineer at August 25, 2014 03:27 PM (xKIE3)

168 Hippocampus are extremely territorial and can be highly aggressive. One of the most dangerous animals in all of Africa.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2014 03:27 PM (DrWcr)

169 "They may not be able to make change but they can damn sure tell you how to install a rubber."

The modern American grade school.

Where children are introduced to the book _Heather Has Two Mommies_ before being taught how to add two plus two.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 25, 2014 03:27 PM (noWW6)

170
Stop insisting that an integer has to either odd or even! Parity is just a social construct and a number is whatever it self-identifies as, regardless of your cis- mathematical privilege!

We are all monads!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2014 03:27 PM (kdS6q)

171 Not only can they not make change in their heads, they also can't multiply columns by rows and figure how many cans of soup are in the case. They count them individually.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2014 03:27 PM (7PZwu)

172 I was told there wouldn't be any evil ex-wives in this life.
Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:22 PM (x3YFz)

Was the same person who told you that also your recruiter?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 25, 2014 03:27 PM (2hPuZ)

173 I plan on speaking nothing but Latin in the home until the children are ready for kindergarten. We'll see if that gives them a leg up.

It will certainly help when you move to Latin America.

Posted by: Theodore Rex at August 25, 2014 03:28 PM (jGJv8)

174 You can freak out the kid behind the cash
register if you round up your payment to avoid
getting ones back AFTER they punch in your
remittance. They can't do the numbers in their
head.



Or pay a $7.51 bill with a $5, $2, & $1.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2014 03:28 PM (H6gu4)

175 Fashionable failure.



That too, is the story of Obama

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2014 03:29 PM (zOTsN)

176 "ABC" as easy as "123"

http://tinyurl.com/poqhfo7

Posted by: Jen at August 25, 2014 03:29 PM (8Re0P)

177
Whenever I need to calculate 18% of 3980

...I head into the comment section of AoS in hopes that the answer will reveal itself in all of its glory. Praise Jeebus

Posted by: Pentacostal Pete at August 25, 2014 03:29 PM (wKKdQ)

178 Said it before (uh, asked it before): when it comes to the most important elements of education (reading, writing, arithmetic, to use the old phrase), why exactly is any "new" approach required?

How did the country go from a sprawling and plodding agrarian colossus to an unprecedented engine of innovation, production, and achievement, if the education methods weren't adequate? Why are the methods that took us to nuclear fission using slide rules, and the Moon, etc. somehow inadequate?

Why is there any reason to think, any evidence or experience, that the keys to education are anything other that discipline, standards, and expectations - since those things produced the modern world we have, right down to the highest high tech? Does Singapore need new tricks to teach math and reading and critical thinking? Does Brazil? How did the "education" system, with about 1/5 the financial resources (in real dollars), produce a vastly better and more educated cohort of students prior to the 1980s?

What amI missing? Of all the (apparently) idiotic, head-scratching stupidities afoot these days that I cannot understand, this one is among the most confounding, and simplest.

Enlightenment welcomed.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2014 03:29 PM (afQnV)

179 Posted by: Theodore Rex at August 25, 2014 03:26 PM (jGJv

That's how I do it. My mind works in multiples of ten.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at August 25, 2014 03:29 PM (RDiG1)

180 i added a Music Man and Beatles update.

forgive me if I already posted this-- I think my first attempt got eaten.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2014 03:29 PM (/FnUH)

181 Failure to acknowledge the elephant in the classroom leaves the door wide open to the hippo on campus.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2014 03:29 PM (NeFrd)

182 Seamus, I prefer the "tiny t*ts" version.

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 25, 2014 03:29 PM (gXRIG)

183 18% of 3980



20% of 3980 is 2 X 3980 (7960) move the decimal over =>796



2% of 3980 is 79.6



20% minus 2% = 18%



796 minus 79.6 = 796 minus 80 plus 0.4 = 716.4





Took about 10 seconds.

----


Actually, I'd forgotten he was multiplying 3980. For that one, I'd use 4000-20, and not bother with using distributivity on the 18 part, viz.,

.18 X 3980 = .18 X (4000-20) = 720 - 3.6 = 716.4

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:29 PM (SLea8)

184 Schoolhouse Rock
http://tinyurl.com/mxgg2ww

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2014 03:29 PM (7PZwu)

185 Parity is just a social construct and a number is whatever it
self-identifies as, regardless of your cis- mathematical privilege!


I'm so stealing this.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at August 25, 2014 03:29 PM (/kI1Q)

186 >>> "Oh, Oh, Oh, To Touch And Feel A Girl's Vagina, AH"

Gynecology

Major organ systems?

Posted by: fluffy at August 25, 2014 03:30 PM (Ua6T/)

187 2 min vid on hippocampus -- the brain's "save button".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg1cAnMY8nc

Posted by: Franch Dressing at August 25, 2014 03:30 PM (zwdxl)

188 I start left and work right: 18% of 3000 = 18x3 =54 = 54018% of 900 = 18 x 9 = 16218% of 80: 14.4 (I move it to 800 them juke the decimal in my head)add 'em up: 716.4easy peasy.Took about 10 seconds.Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:15 PM (x3YFz)


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I do percentages like approximation. 10% of something and then double it to 20%. If it's 18% then it's approximately something less than 20%. The tip is generally in the correct area anyway.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2014 03:30 PM (nrZl8)

189 Or pay a $7.51 bill with a $5, $2, & $1.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2014 03:28 PM (H6gu4)

I must be getting old. My first thought was "how hard is it to figure out the $0.49 in change"? Then I realized that the kid probably would have no idea that 2-dollar bills exist.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2014 03:30 PM (DrWcr)

190 171 Not only can they not make change in their heads,
they also can't multiply columns by rows and figure how many cans of
soup are in the case. They count them individually.


Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2014 03:27 PM (7PZwu)


Perfect candidates for discovery-based learning.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:30 PM (SLea8)

191 My favorite song is the the ABCs.


M i crooked letter crooked letter i crooked letter crooked letter i humpback humpback i.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2014 03:31 PM (H6gu4)

192 I always thought it was because teachers got bored. No country who takes their education seriously lets teachers take such hold of the curriculum.

NCLB and CC are, to some degree, reactions to teachers having so much control in the classroom.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2014 03:31 PM (L2xDv)

193 Common Core does far more than what you're mentioning Ace.

It tries to teach math based on alternative methods of reaching answers.

Everyone knows that the same answers can reliable and repeatably be reached using different methods.

6+7=13

I could say 6+6=12+the remainder of 1=13. Or 6+4=10+remainder of 3=13. So on and so forth.

Some people's brains work in such a way that they come up with unique ways of getting to the answer that makes no sense to anyone else. But it works for them.

Common Core forces kids to use the non-traditional approaches. It ends up adding multiple extra steps to each problem. Which, of course, results in more opportunities for a simple errors to be made.

My eldest is in 2nd grade. We got an introduction into Common Core math last year. It resulted in her crying hysterically at the table and declaring "I'm just not any good at math! My brain doesn't work that way! I'm just bad at math, ok?!?"

I don't need to explain how horrible that is on many many levels. And heartbreaking as a kid. Why was she so frustrated?

Here's why. Common Core and a simple worksheet that I made up and had her do. She got about 50% of the CC ones right and it took her close to 10 minutes. She got all but one right on my worksheet and she did it in less than 2 minutes.

http://tinypic.com/r/mkx1kj/8

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at August 25, 2014 03:32 PM (da5Wo)

194
18% of 3980

estimates < 800 (.2 of 4000)

checks answers a, b, c, d...

selects 716.4

next question.

Posted by: phreshone, MBA at August 25, 2014 03:32 PM (xKIE3)

195 Hippocampus = 10hd wandering monster, if you're at the sea shore.

Posted by: Bigby's Extended Pinky at August 25, 2014 03:32 PM (3ZtZW)

196 Then I realized that the kid probably would
have no idea that 2-dollar bills exist.


Ding ding ding!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2014 03:32 PM (H6gu4)

197 I was told there wouldn't be any evil ex-wives in this life.
Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:22 PM (x3YFz)

Was the same person who told you that also your recruiter?


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 25, 2014 03:27 PM (2hPuZ)


heh. Would fit the stereotype.

Recruiters have to be the most hated people in the world. As a DI (Well, we were MTIs, the AF equivalent) they sent me just non-stop miles of shitbaggery.

But on the other hand, the duty was compulsory even back then, and if you didn't make your quota, your career was fucking over.

I hated recruiters and empathized with them at the same time.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:32 PM (x3YFz)

198 Kids should not be taught to memorize the alphabet either. They should intuitively be able to read eventually.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at August 25, 2014 03:22 PM (RDiG1)



Arrrrrggghhh whole word reading.

*twitches on ground*

Look. My mother is convinced I was born knowing how to read and I am grateful to this day that I was taught to read using phonics. Why? Because now that spell check is making us stupider by the moment, I can still sound something out and go "yeah no that cannot possibly be right".

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 25, 2014 03:32 PM (mf5HN)

199 @178

Thread winner!

Or is this now out in the new age of civility?

Posted by: Kreplach at August 25, 2014 03:32 PM (pexYL)

200 I do percentages like approximation. 10% of
something and then double it to 20%. If it's 18% then it's approximately
something less than 20%. The tip is generally in the correct area
anyway.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2014 03:30 PM (nrZl


Approximately something less than 20%? It's 10% less than your original answer. Calculate 20%, move the decimal point on place to the left, subtract from the original answer. 18% on the nose.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:32 PM (SLea8)

201 I can usually calculate the change in my head faster than the kid can punch the keys.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 25, 2014 03:33 PM (0Jb7F)

202 No mention of Jethro Bodine's times and guzinta concepts inherent in his cyphering methods?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 25, 2014 03:33 PM (+HXMd)

203
FWIW ... I taught my kids the tables by "counting by twos" or threes or whatever the table was. It worked.

And I think it got them ready for algebra.

Posted by: ScoggDog at August 25, 2014 03:33 PM (IwOR4)

204 Major organ systems?

Posted by: fluffy at August 25, 2014 03:30 PM (Ua6T/)


****

You're in the ballpark. It is an anatomic mnemonic. (Hey, I made a rhyme...sort of)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2014 03:33 PM (NeFrd)

205 We are all monads!


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2014 03:27 PM (kdS6q)


There is only 1, and nothing... there is only High, and Low... All is either Open, or Closed...

Posted by: Digtis... the great Prophet of the Digital Lifestyle at August 25, 2014 03:33 PM (f0pWu)

206 As to the various simple math comments - mine did that and wound up in engineering. Good stuff.

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 25, 2014 03:33 PM (gXRIG)

207 I remember my 2nd grade teacher explaining why the "K" in "know" is silent (K was so chatty and wouldn't shut up, so N hit him in the mouth), and why "U" always followed "Q" (Q was a drunk and U was the designated driver). I loved Mrs. Bechtold.

Posted by: kathysaysso at August 25, 2014 03:34 PM (jPT60)

208 18% of 3980.
---
10% is 398
20% is twice that 796
18% = 20% -2%
796-79.6 (796 - 80 +.4)
716.4

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at August 25, 2014 03:34 PM (SO2Q8)

209 I do percentages like approximation. 10% of something and then double it to 20%. If it's 18% then it's approximately something less than 20%.

That worked well on standardized multiple guess questions in school. 20% being 1/5th, the answer was going to be a little less than one fifth. 3 of the 5 answers where right out before you even thought about it.

Posted by: Theodore Rex at August 25, 2014 03:34 PM (jGJv8)

210 Method Man + Common + Ice T Body Count = Common Core

Posted by: Perp'n'tuity at August 25, 2014 03:34 PM (wKKdQ)

211 Too many for too long have assumed that Progressives really desire and work toward . . . Progress.

That cannot be shown from observation.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 25, 2014 03:34 PM (2hPuZ)

212 I've mentioned it here before, but I got steaming mad at parent's night last year, when my daughter's Algebra II teacher said, with a straight face, that "it's a good thing when kids are confused because it's SO AWESOME when they finally figure it out." They've got studies to prove how effective Common Core is, dontcha know. So there.

Mrs. Jakeman had to restrain me.

Posted by: jakeman at August 25, 2014 03:34 PM (8bW7G)

213 I will always remember George East's Old Grandfather Rode A Pig Home Yesterday to remember how to spell geography when I was in first grade.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at August 25, 2014 03:35 PM (RDiG1)

214 selects 716.4

next question.


Posted by: phreshone, MBA at August 25, 2014 03:32 PM (xKIE3)


my exam would have:

a) 718.4
b) 716.4
c) 715.4
d) 714.8

Then... you'd be fucked.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:35 PM (x3YFz)

215 Was looking at the old gay brain structure thinger b/c I thought it was the hippocampus - nope, hypothalamus is the one sposed to be enlarged. Which, who the Hell knows really.

Posted by: Bigby's Extended Pinky at August 25, 2014 03:35 PM (3ZtZW)

216 Schoolhouse Rock
http://tinyurl.com/mxgg2ww
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2014 03:29 PM (7PZwu)


Now I know that Zero is a hero.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 25, 2014 03:35 PM (W5DcG)

217 >>> i added some musical updates

You are giving 71%, Ace.

Posted by: fluffy at August 25, 2014 03:35 PM (Ua6T/)

218
18% of 3980

estimates < 800 (.2 of 4000)

checks answers a, b, c, d...

selects 716.4

next question.

Posted by: phreshone, MBA

--

In my collegiate stats class, the answers were all within ten thousandths. We had to be correct out to four decimal places. I hated that class.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 25, 2014 03:35 PM (0Jb7F)

219 I always thought it was because teachers got bored. No country who
takes their education seriously lets teachers take such hold of the
curriculum.


there may be a selection bias problem in hiring education majors whose biggest motivation in life at age 18 was having summers off

Posted by: phreshone, MBA at August 25, 2014 03:35 PM (xKIE3)

220 Never memorized anything in my life..didn't hurt me any

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 25, 2014 03:35 PM (yrk2K)

221 195 Hippocampus = 10hd wandering monster, if you're at the sea shore.

Posted by: Bigby's Extended Pinky at August 25, 2014 03:32 PM (3ZtZW)


On the "B' treasure table...

Posted by: Digtis... the great Prophet of the Digital Lifestyle at August 25, 2014 03:36 PM (f0pWu)

222 The widow of one of the Boston bombers has remarried and has a baby with her new husband, one of her relatives has claimed in a report.

But they don't say who the lucky guy is. Obviously another jihadi.

Posted by: Pug the Boneless at August 25, 2014 03:36 PM (6V/x7)

223 New math. 9x2=4. 4 hours spent in Golf Cart 1.

This just can not be debunked.

Posted by: GMB (et al) at August 25, 2014 03:36 PM (e5dKk)

224 You can freak out the kid behind the cash
register if you round up your payment to avoid
getting ones back AFTER they punch in your
remittance. They can't do the numbers in their
head.



I've had to use pencil and paper to sort cashiers out on this. I think they get confused on whether to add or substract the change you give them. Try explaining that, as you're paying extra, you're decrementing what you owe by the amount of change you gave them.

If that fails, have them take off their shoes and socks to work it out. Just hope they don't to unzip their fly also, a good reason to avoid any sum involving "21."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:36 PM (SLea8)

225 This dates me: I learned to spell Massachusetts, Mississippi, and Dallas from songs on Captain Kangaroo.

I'm now 56, and every time I type the word "Massachusetts," I still hear "m-a-double s-a-c-h-u-s-e-double t-s" in my head.

Of course, there were also the commercials that taught me that "relief" was spelled R-O-L-A-I-D-S, and don't even think of asking me how to spell "bologna." Television has its plusses and minuses.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at August 25, 2014 03:36 PM (iIzG7)

226 "I do percentages like approximation. 10% of

something and then double it to 20%. If it's 18% then it's approximately

something less than 20%. The tip is generally in the correct area

anyway."

10% tip is easy to do.
15% is half again as easy.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2014 03:37 PM (Q6T1Z)

227 199 kreplach,

This topic is myrant rocket fuel....


But in honor of the kinder, gentlerHQ let's make those rapscallion NEA types some nice hot cocao and chat it out..don't worry, be hoppy baby

Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2014 03:38 PM (/4AZU)

228 I agree: Post 178 is the thread winner.

Most people can master math. It just takes the desire to do so - when taught by a competent mathematician and the standards are high, discipline, hard work, and time by the student will work. Nothing else matters. Just do the work, as my physics adviser would tell his students, repeatedly. Complaining won't solve the problem. And he was correct.

Posted by: Blor Utar at August 25, 2014 03:38 PM (V4DVN)

229 there may be a selection bias problem in hiring education majors whose biggest motivation in life at age 18 was having summers off
Posted by: phreshone, MBA at August 25, 2014 03:35 PM (xKIE3)


Presume obligatory Bad Teacher Cameron Diaz clip here.


Speaking of Bad Teacher, I love how that movie slams on every single solitary person involved in education.


Also has anyone mentioned PJ O'Rourke's awesome comment about Bill Bennett as SecEd yet?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 25, 2014 03:38 PM (mf5HN)

230 I mean, the hypothalamus is *also* stimulated when an animal is threatened/defeated by a predator or within species, so maybe getting bent over and - you know - triggers a natural response for the hypothalamus to get larger over time. The original argument was the structure was enlarged to begin with, so there's a biological component, but it might just be a lysenkoism

Posted by: Bigby's Extended Pinky at August 25, 2014 03:38 PM (3ZtZW)

231 Roll the decimal twice and multiply.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2014 03:38 PM (7PZwu)

232 No mention of Jethro Bodine's times and guzinta concepts inherent in his cyphering methods?
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 25, 2014 03:33 PM


You gotta know that stuff to be a double naught spy.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 25, 2014 03:38 PM (W5DcG)

233 Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:32 PM (x3YFz)

Yeah. After I was in long enough, I realized why they did and said what they did and I could almost empathize with them.

That still didn't excuse them for f**king lying to me, a naive kid.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 25, 2014 03:38 PM (2hPuZ)

234 So 20% is twice as easy?

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 25, 2014 03:38 PM (gXRIG)

235 "Good test taking is an exercise in high-pressure time management... You can tell Barry only took soft courses."

Liberals adore Aaron Sorkin's gauzy imagined fantasy about what a liberal presidency would be like, _The West Wing_, as opposed to the horrible reality of what a liberal presidency is actually like, _The Obama Years_.

But one line from TWW that gets quoted a lot is the bit where the White House staff are discussing what they'll agree to as debate topics.

The Toby character lists a few of the obvious debates, the economy and foreign policy, and goes on to say, "I also think there should be one on parts of speech and sentence structure, and one on fractions."

Liberals found this very risible during the George W. Bush years, with its obvious implications that Bush was an illiterate troglodyte, as were other right-wingers, compared to the solid intellectual prowess of fictional liberal President Bartlett.

But you know what? Sure. Okay. Bring that bitch. No need to wait for a debate. Let's have the existing President, the liberal one we have right now, answer a bunch of unscripted questions about fractions and other basic math, on live TV, under the hot lights.

After all, according to his fanbois like Michael Beschloss, Obama's IQ is so high it can't be measured. So finding a greatest common denominator ought to be a snap.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 25, 2014 03:38 PM (noWW6)

236 V for Vagal!

Posted by: Pug the Boneless at August 25, 2014 03:38 PM (6V/x7)

237 In HS, I was a solid C student. Still got a 28 composite on my ACT.

Why?

My teachers taught me how to think.

Not necessarily how not to chase girls and be lazy.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:39 PM (x3YFz)

238 and don't even think of asking me how to spell "bologna."


Posted by: Keith Arnold at August 25, 2014 03:36 PM (iIzG7)

***

LOL

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2014 03:39 PM (NeFrd)

239 word problem:

45% of Ace effort = X% of Obama effort
Solve for X

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at August 25, 2014 03:39 PM (SO2Q8)

240 I am a product of the Alberta education system. I'm just going to put that out there.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at August 25, 2014 03:39 PM (9422s)

241 By the same reasoning they seem to be just shoving the teachers into classes without teaching them how to teach first. Experiment on the kids. Have fun with it. If all else fails, the Asians will teach them how to dig ditches.

Posted by: Dirks strewn at August 25, 2014 03:39 PM (77F0w)

242 My way of doing 18% of 3980 is to figure 18% of 4000 then subtract 18% of 20.

With some sub functions in there of course.

But with paper I would probably just use column multiplication.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (is just really, really tired of it all) at August 25, 2014 03:39 PM (jOJ+2)

243 The only one who didn't wind up knowing how to write songs was Ringo and that's because he was Just a Drummer.

One of the best albums of the '70s was the self-titled "Ringo." Lots of great songs, written...by...other...people.

Posted by: CJ at August 25, 2014 03:39 PM (9KqcB)

244 The only one who didn't wind up knowing how to write songs was Ringo and that's because he was Just a Drummer-Ace

I love digs at drummers, my brother is one, tee-hee

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2014 03:39 PM (HVff2)

245
In fact, you could have your hippocampus totally destroyed right now...

Why. Is that where the gin goes?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 25, 2014 03:39 PM (JtwS4)

246 >>> You're in the ballpark. It is an anatomic mnemonic. (Hey, I made a rhyme...sort of)

The endocrine system?

Posted by: fluffy at August 25, 2014 03:40 PM (Ua6T/)

247 I will always remember George East's Old Grandfather Rode A Pig Home Yesterday to remember how to spell geography when I was in first grade.
Posted by: Bob Belcher at August 25, 2014 03:35 PM (RDiG1)


--------------------------------------


E-N-C-Y-C-L-O-P-E-D-I-A, as sung by Jiminy Cricket.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2014 03:40 PM (nrZl8)

248 The mathematics of Washington politics: addiction, distraction, obfuscation, and derision.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at August 25, 2014 03:40 PM (iIzG7)

249 Also: where, oh where is AmishDude on a thread like this?

45% of Ace effort = X% of Obama effort
Solve for X


X approaches infinity.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 03:40 PM (PYAXX)

250
I'd do that problem, but I can't find the sideways 8 on the keyboard.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 25, 2014 03:41 PM (0Jb7F)

251 Speaking of math and memorization , how many can tell me what SOHCAHTOA means?

Posted by: Bob Belcher at August 25, 2014 03:41 PM (RDiG1)

252 But you know what? Sure. Okay. Bring that bitch. No need to wait for a
debate. Let's have the existing President, the liberal one we have right
now, answer a bunch of unscripted questions about fractions and other
basic math, on live TV, under the hot lights.


My fantasy during the Obama-Romney debate? Romney would look at the camera and say "Mr. Obama has added $4 trillion [or whatever it is exactly] to the national debt," and then turn to Obama, "Mr. Obama, how many zeroes are there in a trillion?"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:41 PM (SLea8)

253 Hey, lurker de-lurking here. You had me at "twice as easy"

Posted by: Bill Clinton at August 25, 2014 03:41 PM (wKKdQ)

254 240 I am a product of the Alberta education system. I'm just going to put that out there.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth

Who cares about math when you're hawt

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2014 03:41 PM (HVff2)

255 hippocampus? Now you guys are just making stuff up.

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 25, 2014 03:41 PM (sDapq)

256 18% of 3980


18 x 39.8

Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2014 03:41 PM (GXZgZ)

257 "45% of Ace effort = X% of Obama effort
Solve for X "

X = infinity

Posted by: Dave in Fla (is just really, really tired of it all) at August 25, 2014 03:41 PM (jOJ+2)

258 Ah, I see you have added that wonderful word, pedagogy. As it happens, I am reading "The Vintage AOSHQ Masthead Quoted", and in it he writes:

In the whole realm of human learning there is no faculty more fantastically incompetent than that of pedagogy.

Maybe that can replace the masthead quote when you get around to it!

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 25, 2014 03:41 PM (J0IP0)

259 Speaking of the Beatles, was it Lennon or McCartney who responded to comments about how they were about the art and not the money with we used to sit down and say we're going to write a swimming pool.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 25, 2014 03:41 PM (mf5HN)

260 Multiplication tables are regular stuff, every day usage, sometimes all day.

What scares me are these folks who can memorize pi out to hundred numerals.

Posted by: navybrat at August 25, 2014 03:42 PM (JgC5a)

261 Sohcahtoa was Pocahontas' horny sister.

Posted by: true history at August 25, 2014 03:42 PM (dQoSM)

262 >>> You're in the ballpark. It is an anatomic mnemonic. (Hey, I made a rhyme...sort of)


Cranial nerves?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:42 PM (SLea8)

263
If you want to swing on a star
Carry moonbeams home in a jar
Be better off than you are
Or would you rather be a mule?

Posted by: Pug the Boneless at August 25, 2014 03:42 PM (6V/x7)

264 The only one who didn't wind up knowing how to write songs was Ringo and that's because he was Just a Drummer.
--
Screw You

Posted by: Neil Peart at August 25, 2014 03:42 PM (SO2Q8)

265 I'd do that problem, but I can't find the sideways
8 on the keyboard.




Psssst. Turn they keyboard.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2014 03:42 PM (H6gu4)

266 My wife is a notorious over-tipper. Her technique of calculating a 22% tip is to ask me, "What's 22 percent of $38.50?"


I do the math quickly in my head and come up with, "$5.75"


Unless she's lurking today, she hasn't caught on yet.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2014 03:42 PM (NeFrd)

267 My way of doing 18% of 3980 is to figure 18% of 4000 then subtract 18% of 20.



With some sub functions in there of course.



But with paper I would probably just use column multiplication.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (is just really, really tired of it all) at August 25, 2014 03:39 PM (jOJ+2)


YES! my exact point: Everyone does it differently.

I like your approach. Won't change mine, but yours is very nice.

That's what Ace is saying: critters do what critters do, just give them the foundation to do it.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:42 PM (x3YFz)

268 I thought hippocampus was another name for Oberlin University

Posted by: ThunderB at August 25, 2014 03:43 PM (zOTsN)

269 Then... you'd be fucked.


Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:35 PM (x3YFz)


fortunately for me, phreshone, MBA v1.0 is based on phreshone, engineer v4.3... I can do it if need be... though I drank away some of the fastest solution pathways...

in the 80's, GT physics tests were multiple choice, typical answer set would be

a) 4.6 kj/s
b) -9.2 kj/s
c) 9.2 kj/s
d) -4.6 kj/s

Posted by: phreshone, engineer at August 25, 2014 03:43 PM (xKIE3)

270 240 gingy,

The one they're needong to improve ma'am?

Just kidding, my High School Alma Mater went from a top 10% Ohio scool to "top 30%" school....

Liberals, what can't they do?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2014 03:43 PM (/4AZU)

271 OT: The GOP's attempt to win hearts and minds, may God have mercy on us all: www.missionmajority.com/

An 8-bit Julia? I am a sucker for 80s style games but I dunno.

Posted by: LizLem at August 25, 2014 03:43 PM (yRwC8)

272 Redin, Writen, and Arithmitic

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2014 03:44 PM (M0mf2)

273 Liberals, what can't they do?

Math.
Teach.
Logical Reasoning.
Learn.






Oh. That was rhetorical.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 03:44 PM (PYAXX)

274 Was Ringo with the Beatles in Hamburg? I thought he came on after.

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2014 03:44 PM (gmeXX)

275
"I always thought it was because teachers got bored."




Every new educational fad means more government financed training and study time, instead of actually having to teach. Then there's another certificate to put on your wall that gets you another increase on the paycheck.

Which is why your kid's 2 grade teacher has to have a MA-Ed and a stack of certs nowadays.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2014 03:44 PM (kdS6q)

276 What amI missing? Of all the (apparently) idiotic,
head-scratching stupidities afoot these days that I cannot understand,
this one is among the most confounding, and simplest.



Enlightenment welcomed.



Posted by: rhomboid at August 25, 2014 03:29 PM (afQnV)

The smartest 10% do 90% of the work is what you are missing. And they did no automatically "get smart". It takes work.

Posted by: Vic at August 25, 2014 03:44 PM (T2V/1)

277 "I would tell the kid to memorize them at home."

I would tell them this pretty sternly, because sometimes kids really pay attention when a non-parent adult tells them they are expected to do something.

They looked a bit shocked that I didn't take the Mommy role. Oh, honey...you just need to...

I'd always tell them to imagine they are designing a rocket ship, and every error leads to it blowing up the astronauts.

Not sure if either of these things worked, but hey.

Posted by: sexypig at August 25, 2014 03:44 PM (dZQh7)

278 249 Also: where, oh where is AmishDude on a thread like this?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 03:40 PM (PYAXX)



Probably getting a swirlie from a big bad mean old law school graduate.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at August 25, 2014 03:44 PM (da5Wo)

279
>>>how many can tell me what SOHCAHTOA means?

SAME TO YOU, BUDDY

Posted by: Bigby's Extended Pinky at August 25, 2014 03:44 PM (3ZtZW)

280 Cranial nerves?


Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:42 PM (SLea


*****


Yay- we have a winner-

Optic, Olfactory, Oculomotor, Trochlear, Trigeminal, Abducens, Facial, Auditory, Glossopharyngeal, Vagus, Accessory, Hypoglossal

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2014 03:45 PM (NeFrd)

281 http://tinyurl.com/n4273w3

Ringo Starr made his own "one per album" contributions to the band

Posted by: panzernashorn at August 25, 2014 03:45 PM (TfAS/)

282
there may be a selection bias problem in hiring education majors
whose biggest motivation in life at age 18 was having summers off


It's a feedback loop. Mediocre intellects go to college with dreams of "making a difference", fall into Education because it's a non-rigourous major, then get jobs encouraging more mediocre intellects to go to college and "make a difference."

Whee.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at August 25, 2014 03:45 PM (/kI1Q)

283 Flat bomber's sisters are both in troublw with the law. Thats where the world's stupidest woman, aka the Widow Flatbomber, is living. Story at the Daily Mail.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at August 25, 2014 03:45 PM (6hj0e)

284 My local highschool bragged that 70% of their Seniors can pass the state 10th grade exit exam. Best in the county.

I was gobsmacked.

Posted by: Theodore Rex at August 25, 2014 03:45 PM (jGJv8)

285 My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Noodle Pie

(order of the planets)

Posted by: kathysaysso at August 25, 2014 03:45 PM (jPT60)

286 Just kidding, my High School Alma Mater went from a top 10% Ohio scool to "top 30%" school....



Liberals, what can't they do?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2014 03:43 PM (/4AZU)

My HS went from the second ranking school in GA to the bottom of the pit.

Posted by: Vic at August 25, 2014 03:46 PM (T2V/1)

287 >>Ringo Starr made his own "one per album" contributions to the band

i was kidding a bit

he kinda wrote the same song over and over again though

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2014 03:46 PM (/FnUH)

288 Unbelievably, Ringo actually had 2 number one hits; Photograph (which he co-wrote with George Harrison) and You're Sixteen (which was a cover of a 1960 song). Ringo was 33 when he released "You're Sixteen," which makes it kinda creepy in a "I think I'll get that restraining order now" way.

Posted by: duke at August 25, 2014 03:46 PM (ChY2Q)

289
the clip I heard was of Sharpton giving a rip-roaring rabble rousing political rant

the applause and hootin and hollerin was equally disgusting

Posted by: Soothsayer at August 25, 2014 03:46 PM (IbrTD)

290 18% of 3980 18 x 39.8
Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2014 03:41 PM (GXZgZ)


------------------------------------------


Oh! Oh! That's easy! Let me go find my calculator.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2014 03:46 PM (nrZl8)

291 Also: where, oh where is AmishDude on a thread like this?


Possibly actually working, it's the first day of fall semester.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at August 25, 2014 03:46 PM (/kI1Q)

292 Yay- we have a winner-



Optic, Olfactory, Oculomotor, Trochlear, Trigeminal, Abducens, Facial, Auditory, Glossopharyngeal, Vagus, Accessory, Hypoglossal


It was a guess. The OOO pattern is pretty distinctive.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:46 PM (SLea8)

293 "I'd always tell them to imagine they are designing a rocket ship, and every error leads to it blowing up the astronauts."

When the space shuttle exploded, I knew nothing about O-rings; I just instantly assumed that one of my classmates had gotten a job working for NASA after all.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at August 25, 2014 03:46 PM (iIzG7)

294
www.missionmajority.com/
Posted by: LizLem




"Paid for by NRSC"

Your money at work.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (kdS6q)

295 So, this is what 45% looks like.

Posted by: 3 Minute Abs! at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (yn6XZ)

296 Nation of spineless pussies.


http://tinyurl.com/n3zqrqf


A sign advertising the bacon at a Vermont diner has been taken down after a Muslim resident complained about the sign on the Internet and sparked a massive backlash against the restaurant, Sneakers Bistro.

--------

The mayor of the town, Winooski, Vt., commended the diner for taking down the sign. 'The cool part of living in a diverse community is that it's not always comfortable,'




It's cool to bend over and take it I guess.

Posted by: RWC at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (fWAjv)

297 how many can tell me what SOHCAHTOA means?


****


Easy. She was the Indian girl who helped Lewis ampersand Clark reach the Pacific Ocean.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (NeFrd)

298 "My fantasy during the Obama-Romney debate? Romney would look at the camera and say "Mr. Obama has added $4 trillion [or whatever it is exactly] to the national debt," and then turn to Obama, "Mr. Obama, how many zeroes are there in a trillion?"

That is a genius idea.

But it might not be too hard to get right. a million is six, so double it=12

Posted by: sexypig at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (dZQh7)

299 58008 on your upside-down calculator is "BOOBS"

Posted by: wooga at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (YjG75)

300 278 BC1981,

Maybe or possibly getting a back rub from a pre-law student stuck at fractional to % conversion...


6 of 1 1/2 dozen the other

Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (/4AZU)

301 You didn't build those neural pathways.

Posted by: garrett at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (+imwf)

302 Seventy-six trombones led the big parade With a hundred and ten cornets close at hand.

so thats um.....186 band camp hookups.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (w4KwQ)

303 Liberals, what can't they do?


Run a city, state, or country effectively? Hell, run a brothel effectively?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (SLea8)

304 >>>Was Ringo with the Beatles in Hamburg? I thought he came on after.

i think they picked him up there...? Or maybe later.

In any event, he was definitely there, at the time. They met him there, when he was in that other band.

At least that's what the movie "Backbeat" told me.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (/FnUH)

305 >>> Was Ringo with the Beatles in Hamburg? I thought he came on after.

You are correct. Another reason why he couldn't write songs.

Posted by: fluffy at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (Ua6T/)

306 "If all else fails, the Asians will teach them how to dig ditches."

Near as I can figure, the Asian plan to deal with aging populations and labor shortages has absolutely nothing to do with using lazy illiterate unskilled out of shape Americans. Asians' disinterest is total.

I don't know how you say, "Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto" in Mandarin, but robot restaurants are already showing up in China.

I also don't know of any conceivable economic future at this point for lazy illiterate unskilled out of shape Americans other than as career dolebirds and voting support for the continuance of the dole. Until of course there's no longer enough money to keep the dole running. Which won't be all that long from now.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (noWW6)

307 My kids' Catholic school never dropped memorizing the multiplication tables; flash cards and all.

They also never dropped manners.

Posted by: Jack at August 25, 2014 03:48 PM (Xv7f/)

308
My way of doing 18% of 3980 is to figure 18% of 4000 then subtract 18% of 20.

---

18x2=36, 36*2=72, 72*10=720
18*2=36, 36*.1=3.6
720-3.6=716.4

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 25, 2014 03:48 PM (0Jb7F)

309 287 >>Ringo Starr made his own "one per album" contributions to the band

i was kidding a bit

he kinda wrote the same song over and over again though
Posted by: ace at August 25, 2014 03:46 PM (/FnUH)


What's th last thing a drummer says before getting kicked out of a band? "Hey guys I wrote some songs."

Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2014 03:48 PM (z/Ubi)

310 A mule is an animal with long funny ears
He kicks up at everything he hears
His back is brawny but his mind is weak
He's just plain stupid with a stubborn streak
And by the way if you hate to go to school
You might wind up to be a mule!

Posted by: naturalfake at August 25, 2014 03:49 PM (0cMkb)

311 Flat bomber's sisters are both in troublw with the
law. Thats where the world's stupidest woman, aka the Widow Flatbomber,
is living. Story at the Daily Mail.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at August 25, 2014 03:45 PM (6hj0e)


Flat bomber really should have married Rachel Corrie.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:49 PM (SLea8)

312 This is fascinating. I knew the Feds could do this. Didn't realize how widespread the tech was. Didn't realize that basically anybody with the money who knows your phone # can track your location if you have your cell phone turned on.

This isn't super-secret NSA tech. This is stuff openly sold to govts and, well, anybody with the money. It can run anywhere in the world and track pretty much anyone anywhere in the world.

Kinda spooky.

For sale: Ability to secretly track cellphone users' moves http://wapo.st/1qavLmF via @washingtonpost

Posted by: Franch Dressing at August 25, 2014 03:49 PM (zwdxl)

313 Probably getting a swirlie from a big bad mean old law school graduate.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at August 25, 2014 03:44 PM (da5Wo)




*fistbump*


I will say this, I don't know how those of you who are parents handle, well, okay, all of existence really, but for these purposes dealing with educational theory fuckwittery. I would punch people in the face.


I should note that I happen to know a lot, and I do mean a lot, of teachers, and most of them teach in religious schools. Educational fads are not confined to the public school systems.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 25, 2014 03:49 PM (mf5HN)

314
"Hi, my name is Giopi! I'm one of the GOP's best volunteers for the 2014 midterms, and I'm here to show you how we can win back the Senate!"





Hate these guys so much.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2014 03:49 PM (kdS6q)

315 The mayor of the town, Winooski, Vt., commended the diner for taking down the sign. 'The cool part of living in a diverse community is that it's not always comfortable,'

Bullshit.

The only person "uncomfortable" was the person who protested the bacon sign, and then people bent over backwards to make him (I presume "him") comfortable.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 03:49 PM (PYAXX)

316 Yeah. After I was in long enough, I realized why they did and said what they did and I could almost empathize with them.

That still didn't excuse them for f**king lying to me, a naive kid.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 25, 2014 03:38 PM (2hPuZ)


brother, I had to turn kids around and send them home 48 hours after they got off the bus. Entry level discharge.

One story should sum it up: 48 hours after drop off, kid wouldn't shower, he was "afraid of water" so I pack him up and send him to my section supervisor. He shows with his shoes on the wrong feet and commences to blowing a snot bubble onto my sup's uniform. Yup.
LOVE me some recruiters.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:49 PM (x3YFz)

317 You know what this means?


We'll be working for the Canadians in the near future.




Think about that.


Posted by: EC at August 25, 2014 03:49 PM (GQ8sn)

318 Little Miss Polynomial is my favorite math poem!

Posted by: Bill Clinton at August 25, 2014 03:49 PM (V4DVN)

319 2 + 2 = Fascism.

Posted by: VOX NEWS at August 25, 2014 03:49 PM (7V0lh)

320 Probably getting a swirlie from a big bad mean old law school graduate.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at August 25, 2014 03:44 PM (da5Wo)


*snort*......again.

Posted by: Tami at August 25, 2014 03:49 PM (v0/PR)

321

I know a lot of people who memorized hope and change.


Look where it got them.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2014 03:49 PM (IXrOn)

322 My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Noodle Pie

(order of the planets)


Posted by: kathysaysso at August 25, 2014 03:45 PM (jPT60)



****


Nice! I hadn't heard that one.


Though it could be problematic for that portion of the revolution when Pluto is closer than Neptune, and Pluto has now been downgraded, so Pie is no longer on the menu.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2014 03:50 PM (NeFrd)

323 All this is reminding of the 90's Lewis Black bit on Education in Arkansas

linky in name

Posted by: phreshone, engineer at August 25, 2014 03:50 PM (xKIE3)

324 and Pluto has now been downgraded, so Pie is no longer on the menu.

Mooch said we'd have to give up our Pie.

Dammit.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at August 25, 2014 03:51 PM (/kI1Q)

325 Before starting school I learned my alphabet on the old rotary dial phone.

What letter did it not teach me?

Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 25, 2014 03:51 PM (y34oM)

326 Multiplication would be a lot easier if they'd stop handing out condoms.

Posted by: wth at August 25, 2014 03:51 PM (wAQA5)

327 Optic, Olfactory, Oculomotor, Trochlear, Trigeminal, Abducens, Facial, Auditory, Glossopharyngeal, Vagus, Accessory, HypoglossalIt was a guess. The OOO pattern is pretty distinctive.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:46 PM (SLea


-----------------------------------------


I didn't learn them that way. I just remembered the areas of the head and visualized. I loved the cadaver lab.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2014 03:52 PM (nrZl8)

328 "My fantasy during the Obama-Romney debate? Romney
would look at the camera and say "Mr. Obama has added $4 trillion [or
whatever it is exactly] to the national debt," and then turn to Obama,
"Mr. Obama, how many zeroes are there in a trillion?"



That is a genius idea.



But it might not be too hard to get right. a million is six, so double it=12

Posted by: sexypig at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (dZQh7)


True, but it takes some brains to figure that out, and I don't believe "Barry" is all that bright. Also, it'd be tough to figure out under the spotlights, on national TV. You'd pretty have to know a trillion is 10^12, or say "uh ... uh ... uh ..." while the audience shifted nervously in their seats, which is my guess for exactly what would have happened.

Think how devastating that would have been to the Mocha Mussolini: he added trillions to the national debt, and the asshole doesn't know how many zeroes are in a trillion. Yow.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:52 PM (SLea8)

329 18x2=36, 36*2=72, 72*10=720
18*2=36, 36*.1=3.6
720-3.6=716.4

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 25, 2014 03:48 PM (0Jb7F)


Another great example of how we all do it differently.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:52 PM (x3YFz)

330 254 240 I am a product of the Alberta education system. I'm just going to put that out there.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth

Who cares about math when you're hawt
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2014 03:41 PM (HVff2)
---
Who has been circulating my picture?
---
SVEN DAMMIT I'm old. We still had to memorize the times tables.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at August 25, 2014 03:52 PM (9422s)

331 325 Before starting school I learned my alphabet on the old rotary dial phone.

What letter did it not teach me?
Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 25, 2014 03:51 PM (y34oM)



That your mother's a whore, Trebek.

Posted by: Sean Connery at August 25, 2014 03:53 PM (da5Wo)

332 I will say this, I don't know how those of you who are parents handle, well, okay, all of existence really, but for these purposes dealing with educational theory fuckwittery. I would punch people in the face.

Do I have to repeat the Tenther household experience?

Yeah... The way I deal with "educational theory fuckwittery" is by picking a school that said "Hey, we have really good results with the classic ways of doing things, we'll keep doing it that way."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 03:53 PM (PYAXX)

333 OBAMA MEETING WITH CHUCK HAGEL ON STRATEGY AGAINST ISLAMIC STATE


The Blind leading the Blind, and over a cliff


Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2014 03:53 PM (M0mf2)

334 Before starting school I learned my alphabet on the old rotary dial phone.



What letter did it not teach me?

Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 25, 2014 03:51 PM (y34oM)


Q.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:53 PM (SLea8)

335 and Pluto has now been downgraded



As I remember, when this happened a bunch of astrophysicists were pissed and appealed the re-branding of Pluto as a "planetoid".


Can you imagine a brawl with a room full of Sheldon Coopers?


hehe...

Posted by: EC at August 25, 2014 03:53 PM (GQ8sn)

336 Isn't Pluto a Dwarf now?

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2014 03:54 PM (7PZwu)

337 X, I think.
Or Q.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 03:54 PM (PYAXX)

338 And, of course, the guy running the "non-partisan" database is a hard-left ultraProg.

I do like how the fascists give their 1984 tech ironic names like "Truthy".


DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 10m
Fed Database to Track 'False and Misleading Ideas' on TWITTER... http://drudge.tw/1sqRvKM

"Truthy" claims to be non-partisan. However, the project's lead investigator Filippo Menczer proclaims his support for numerous progressive advocacy groups, including President Barack Obama's Organizing for Action, Moveon.org, Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, Amnesty International, and True Majority.

Posted by: Franch Dressing at August 25, 2014 03:54 PM (zwdxl)

339 cranial nerves

Learned 'em the same way. Now back to the Obamacare saltmine. Needs more cowbell.

Posted by: ClusterHA at August 25, 2014 03:54 PM (hVbJp)

340 Ringo may not have been with The Beatles, but he knew them as he was a member of a band that played the same clubs in Hamburg.

Posted by: Joey Bagels at August 25, 2014 03:54 PM (r+l7w)

341 Isn't being a lawyer just memorizing case law?

Tedium. Booooooring.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:54 PM (x3YFz)

342 (I presume "him") comfortable.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 03:49 PM (PYAXX)

Her

Posted by: RWC at August 25, 2014 03:55 PM (fWAjv)

343 Widow Flatbomber's parents did a bang- up job, huh?

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at August 25, 2014 03:55 PM (6hj0e)

344 Fed Database to Track 'False and Misleading Ideas' on

What the fucking fuck?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 03:55 PM (PYAXX)

345 330 Gingy,

Wait a sec you're nigh immortal but I thought soul collection was simple addition?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2014 03:55 PM (/4AZU)

346 Lawyers always look backwards. never forward.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:55 PM (x3YFz)

347
OBAMA MEETING WITH CHUCK HAGEL ON STRATEGY AGAINST ISLAMIC STATE

Hangover meets drunk.

Posted by: wth at August 25, 2014 03:55 PM (wAQA5)

348 The Dems and their media operatives know[/b[ that repetition is the way to get people to remember things...

That's why they come out with those little soundbite-talking points...and repeat them, over and over.

Posted by: wheatie at August 25, 2014 03:55 PM (ALCBH)

349 "My fantasy during the Obama-Romney debate? Romney

would look at the camera and say "Mr. Obama has added $4 trillion [or

whatever it is exactly] to the national debt," and then turn to Obama,

"Mr. Obama, how many zeroes are there in a trillion?"




That is a genius idea.


But it might not be too hard to get right. a million is six, so double it=12



Posted by: sexypig at August 25, 2014 03:47 PM (dZQh7)

--------


Surprisingly few people can answer that question. Hell, relatively few can answer it for a billion. (Try it.) Democrat financial math is pretty much "one, two, many" as far as I can tell.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 03:56 PM (SLea8)

350 Multiplication would be a lot easier if they'd stop handing out condoms.
Posted by: wth at August 25, 2014 03:51 PM (wAQA5)


I lol'd. I did.

I was under the impression that it is Official HQ Policy that Pluto is too a planet.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 25, 2014 03:56 PM (mf5HN)

351 My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Noodle Pie


My Very Educated Mother Astro Just Served Us Noodle Oort.

Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2014 03:56 PM (GXZgZ)

352 Bold wheat flavor on one side.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2014 03:56 PM (7PZwu)

353 uh oh

Posted by: wheatie at August 25, 2014 03:56 PM (ALCBH)

354 A thousand times YES. I've been saying this for years, and every single professional mathematician I've ever talked to agrees.

There's a reason some things are called "fundamentals."

Posted by: Feh at August 25, 2014 03:56 PM (pbF1h)

355
Before starting school I learned my alphabet on the old rotary dial phone.



What letter did it not teach me?

---

Both Q and Z as I recall

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 25, 2014 03:57 PM (0Jb7F)

356 Don't sweat it, wheatie. Saved by the power of the closing tags!


Posted by: EC at August 25, 2014 03:57 PM (GQ8sn)

357 Back to topic: Glad schools might be finally going back to the basics. I hated memorization of times tables in school. HATED it. But bless my teacher's and mom's hearts, they worked extra hard with me and I learned them. Can still use those techniques to recall them.

I was able to apply those skills to later tasks. I got an A in art history in college, a class that expects you to remember thousands of facts on hundreds of paintings. It came down to simple memorization; looking and the painting and FEELING the facts was not gonna cut it. Did the same for learning vocabulary for foreign languages. Useful skills of how to learn apply across subjects and disciplines, but you have to be taught how to do it first, and is a disservice to deprive kids of that because of teacher's egos or insistence on PROGRESS.

Posted by: LizLem at August 25, 2014 03:57 PM (yRwC8)

358 I'll play with you on Tuesday if I can play with you in Hamburg today...

Posted by: Wimpy Ringo at August 25, 2014 03:57 PM (0cMkb)

359
>>>>Educational fads are not confined to the public school systems.

The problem is that teachers think they are *professionals* and attempt to keep current with the "latest research" when in reality they are functionaries that shouldn't bother themselves with pointy-headedness in Academe.

Posted by: Bigby's Extended Pinky at August 25, 2014 03:57 PM (3ZtZW)

360 I was under the impression that it is Official HQ Policy that Pluto is too a planet.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 25, 2014 03:56 PM (mf5HN)


It IS a planet.

Do not fuck with me on this.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:57 PM (x3YFz)

361 I believe that History in the early grades should be taught the same way. If you make kids memorize all the presidents, all the states, all the state capitals and the beginning and ending dates of all our wars, etc. wouldn't that give them a framework of knowledge that would help fill in the blanks when they start reading history in the later grades?

Posted by: Joey Bagels at August 25, 2014 03:58 PM (r+l7w)

362 WHO WAS JUST HAPPY TO BE HERE?

Posted by: Ringo Starr at August 25, 2014 03:58 PM (vgIRn)

363 "Truthy" claims to be non-partisan. However, the project's lead investigator Filippo Menczer proclaims his support for numerous progressive advocacy groups, including President Barack Obama's Organizing for Action, Moveon.org, Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, Amnesty International, and True Majority.
Posted by: Franch
----------------

First Rule where Progressives/Left/Liberals are concerned: Whatever the name of their organization, their aim is diametrically opposed. Example: People for the American Way.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 25, 2014 03:58 PM (/GgDU)

364 18% of 3980

3980 is...

111110001100 soooo you put that in the shift register and...

Posted by: Digtis... the great Prophet of the Digital Lifestyle at August 25, 2014 03:59 PM (f0pWu)

365 Before starting school I learned my alphabet
on the old rotary dial phone.
What letter did it not teach me?


Q

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2014 03:59 PM (H6gu4)

366 It IS a planet.

Do not fuck with me on this.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:57 PM (x3YFz)


But then we'd have to admit that someone who was one of the "wrong sort" scooped us on a 10th planet. AND we'd have to let him and his team name it, and they picked a silly name.

Posted by: International Astronomical Association at August 25, 2014 03:59 PM (PYAXX)

367
>>>I know a lot of people who memorized hope and change.

What about the ones what memorized the koran?

Posted by: Bigby's Extended Pinky at August 25, 2014 03:59 PM (3ZtZW)

368 They have backed off and call Pluto a dwarf planet, I think

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 25, 2014 03:59 PM (0Jb7F)

369
I'd always tell them to imagine they are designing a rocket ship, and every error leads to it blowing up the astronauts.

Not sure if either of these things worked, but hey.

Posted by: sexypig

LOL, the fear of god and ACCOUNTABILITY

/having finally stopped laughing, a note to remember:

Practice makes memory, not perfection.
Each repetition needs to be perfect.

As for the "think" trick?

It DOES help to make mental associations.
And it DOES help to imagine your intention's success.

Fundamentally, it really helps, setting a lesson to a tune for recall at some future point...

http://tinyurl.com/oo4toyx

"Inch Worm" ...

2 and 2 are four
4 and 4 are eight
8 and 8 are sixteen
16 and 16 are thirty-two

song by Frank Loesser
from Hans Christian Andersen (1952 musical)
directed by Charles Vidor
with Danny Kaye and Jane Wyman

Posted by: panzernashorn at August 25, 2014 03:59 PM (TfAS/)

370 Alberta. Is that where they make VO5? That stuff makes the hair silky smooth...

Posted by: Scrappy Coco at August 25, 2014 03:59 PM (yn6XZ)

371 Oh, and grammar. I'd bet money that most English teachers in service nowadays weren't even taught grammar systematically, or know another language that required mastering a robust meta-language along the way. We don't even have teachers in place to make a reform in the teaching of English.

How many ways can you spell "f***ed"?

Posted by: Feh at August 25, 2014 03:59 PM (pbF1h)

372 OBAMA MEETING WITH CHUCK HAGEL ON STRATEGY AGAINST ISLAMIC STATE

Hangover meets drunk.

Posted by: wth at August 25, 2014 03:55 PM (wAQA5)


no shit. Put two idiots in a room. Hilarity ensues.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:59 PM (x3YFz)

373 Also:

THEN WHO WAS DRUMMER?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 03:59 PM (PYAXX)

374 No correct answer yet but Connery came close.

No letter "O" on a rotary phone, it went M, N, P.

"O" was for the operator and was it's own dialing hole, the last one.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 25, 2014 04:00 PM (y34oM)

375 The Blind leading the Blind, and over a cliff




Posted by: Nevergiveup

Actually, I think the blind would do a better job. Its more like the lobotomized leading the fucking lobotomized.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 25, 2014 04:00 PM (HVff2)

376 Alberta is the Texas of Canada

Posted by: Citizen X at August 25, 2014 04:00 PM (7ObY1)

377 First Rule where Progressives/Left/Liberals are concerned: Whatever the
name of their organization, their aim is diametrically opposed. Example:
People for the American Way.


Exactly. I taught my kids to look for the buzzwords: "American," "People," "Peace," "Justice," "Mothers," "Families," "Concerned," "Working," etc.

The name of every leftist organization is some permutation and/or combination of the buzzwords.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 04:00 PM (SLea8)

378 368 They have backed off and call Pluto a dwarf planet, I think

-------

I thought we weren't supposed to say 'dwarf' any more.

Posted by: wheatie at August 25, 2014 04:00 PM (ALCBH)

379 FNC report: ISIS determined to raise ISIS flag over WH.

Obama: Shit, all they have to do is ask.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2014 04:00 PM (nrZl8)

380 Do not fuck with me on this.


Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:57 PM (x3YFz)


Excuse me sir, but I, Dr. Sheldon Cooper PhD, take issue with you referring to Pluto as a planet. It seems someone thinks themselves as an astrophysicist!
Now, if you'll excuse me I must go order Thai food. Today is Monday you see. And on Monday's, I have Thai food.

Posted by: Dr. Sheldon Cooper at August 25, 2014 04:00 PM (GQ8sn)

381 A thousand times YES. I've been saying this for years, and every single professional mathematician I've ever talked to agrees.

Yup.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2014 04:01 PM (L2xDv)

382
I was under the impression that it is Official HQ Policy that Pluto is too a planet.

Silly girl. Pluto is a type of weasel.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 25, 2014 04:01 PM (JtwS4)

383 Careful, if you don't memorize those math tables, you might end up in Iraq

Posted by: John Kerry at August 25, 2014 04:01 PM (wKKdQ)

384 Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2014 04:01 PM (L2xDv)

I knew you'd show up eventually.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther), Derringer Bandit. at August 25, 2014 04:01 PM (PYAXX)

385 So ... apparently the progtards have declared war on Burger King as economic traitors.

Posted by: Franch Dressing at August 25, 2014 04:02 PM (zwdxl)

386 But then we'd have to admit that someone who was one
of the "wrong sort" scooped us on a 10th planet. AND we'd have to let
him and his team name it, and they picked a silly name.

Posted by: International Astronomical Association at August 25, 2014 03:59 PM (PYAXX)


I admit nothing of the sort. Pluto has been a planet since I was knee-high to a grasshopper.

It's planetness has zero dependency on other nitwittery and I WILL NOT TOLERATE any more nonsense.

/flails about

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 04:02 PM (x3YFz)

387 380 Do not fuck with me on this.


Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 03:57 PM (x3YFz)

Excuse me sir, but I, Dr. Sheldon Cooper PhD, take issue with you referring to Pluto as a planet. It seems someone thinks themselves as an astrophysicist!
Now, if you'll excuse me I must go order Thai food. Today is Monday you see. And on Monday's, I have Thai food.

Posted by: Dr. Sheldon Cooper at August 25, 2014 04:00 PM (GQ8sn)


Fail. Sheldon actually complained about Pluto being downgraded on the show.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2014 04:02 PM (JICPr)

388 Little person planet?

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2014 04:02 PM (7PZwu)

389 What's th last thing a drummer says before getting kicked out of a band? "Hey guys I wrote some songs."


Or in Neal Peart's case, Hey guys, I wrote ALL the songs!

(lyrically speaking, anyway.)

Posted by: Citizen X at August 25, 2014 04:02 PM (7ObY1)

390
382
I was under the impression that it is Official HQ Policy that Pluto is too a planet.

Silly girl. Pluto is a type of weasel.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 25, 2014 04:01 PM (JtwS4)


Pluto is a Dog.... we're still not sure what Goofy is though...

Posted by: Scrooge McDuck at August 25, 2014 04:02 PM (f0pWu)

391 381 AmishDude,

Speak of Cao Cao and Cao Cao comes...

Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2014 04:02 PM (/4AZU)

392 We have hippocampuses in our heads? Don't those kill a lot of people in Africa?

Posted by: Grimmy at August 25, 2014 04:03 PM (uUsh9)

393 Oh, and grammar. I'd bet money that most English teachers in service nowadays weren't even taught grammar systematically, or know another language that required mastering a robust meta-language along the way. We don't even have teachers in place to make a reform in the teaching of English.

How many ways can you spell "f***ed"?
Posted by: Feh at August 25, 2014 03:59 PM (pbF1h)


Lest there remains those amongst the Horde who have hitherto failed to be privy to such an admission, I have, under duress, acknowledged that I may, at certain times, craft my sentences with such elaborate structure for the amusement that is experienced by such a one as I upon contemplation of the eye twitching that ensues by those who, by nature an training, cannot help but to diagram sentences in their heads.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 25, 2014 04:03 PM (mf5HN)

394 No letter "O" on a rotary phone, it went M, N,
P.
"O" was for the operator and was it's own
dialing hole, the last one.



You might want to check that. The letter O was on number 6.
Number 7 was P, R, S. No Q.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2014 04:03 PM (H6gu4)

395 I was pretty good at memorization but it was to hard so I just gave it a quick review to "understand" and get a Gentleman's 'B".

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2014 04:03 PM (M0mf2)

396 Pluto was the gentle giant Popeye would beat the fuck out of during numerous 'roids rage curb stompings.

Posted by: Alice the Goon at August 25, 2014 04:03 PM (yn6XZ)

397 Oh, and grammar. I'd bet money that most English teachers in service
nowadays weren't even taught grammar systematically, or know another
language that required mastering a robust meta-language along the way.
We don't even have teachers in place to make a reform in the teaching of
English.



How many ways can you spell "f***ed"?


One of my kids had a melanin-enhanced teacher for Honors English who specialized in generating vocabulary sheets with laughably wrong definitions. Our quandary: parrot back her risible definitions, or provide the correct ones, and risk pissing her off?

The only writer she'd ever heard of apparently was Maya Angelou, because it was all Maya Angelou, all the time. Our little Guevara just got his English teacher, and thank God, missed on Laquisha Shabazz.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 04:03 PM (SLea8)

398 (In my best Arthur Fonzarelli voice): "Sheldon. That figures."

Posted by: Citizen X at August 25, 2014 04:03 PM (7ObY1)

399 The problem with math is that once people figure out you can do it, especially in your head, you become everyone else's calculator.

Posted by: Feh at August 25, 2014 04:04 PM (pbF1h)

400 Before starting school I learned my alphabet
on the old rotary dial phone.
What letter did it not teach me?


****

Zed

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2014 04:04 PM (NeFrd)

401 Pluto is a planet like Dr Who is a quality program.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 25, 2014 04:04 PM (7V0lh)

402 385 Franch Dressing,

Awesome I was avant garde buycotting then...

The New A-1 ultimate bacon cheeseburger was pretty ok noy gay but ok...

Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2014 04:04 PM (/4AZU)

403 It seems someone thinks themselves as an astrophysicist!

Now, if you'll excuse me I must go order Thai food. Today is Monday you see. And on Monday's, I have Thai food.



Posted by: Dr. Sheldon Cooper at August 25, 2014 04:00 PM (GQ8sn)





Fail. Sheldon actually complained about Pluto being downgraded on the show.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2014 04:02 PM (JICPr)


He did. Nice catch Buzz.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 04:05 PM (x3YFz)

404 Oh, and by the way? If 'Zed' gets to be a letter, then Pluto sure as tootin' gets to be a planet.


Zed, my ass.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at August 25, 2014 04:05 PM (NeFrd)

405 Noah Rothman @NoahCRothman 11m
ICYMI: Burger King, enemy of the people. http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/25/burger-king-enemy-of-the-people/

Posted by: Franch Dressing at August 25, 2014 04:05 PM (zwdxl)

406 Netanyahu's Approval Rating Plummets Dramatically

Poll finds only 38% of Israelis satisfied with PM, as opposed to 82% at start of Gaza operation; neglect of south raises ire.


A tiger doesn't change it's stripes.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2014 04:05 PM (M0mf2)

407 Silly girl. Pluto is a type of weasel. Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 25, 2014 04:01 PM (JtwS4)

We all know that the declassification of Pluto was part of a greater plot by Disney to take the name for themselves alone, so they can trademark it. Next step: disassociate it from general Roman mythology.

I'm joking of course, but there is a small part of me that fears that The Mouse That Roars could actually somehow do this.

Posted by: LizLem at August 25, 2014 04:05 PM (yRwC8)

408 Did BK stop selling the Sodomy Burger?

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2014 04:05 PM (7PZwu)

409 Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead.

Posted by: Bruce Willis at August 25, 2014 04:06 PM (JtwS4)

410 We all know that the declassification of Pluto was part of a greater plot by Disney to take the name for themselves alone, so they can trademark it. Next step: disassociate it from general Roman mythology.

I'm joking of course, but there is a small part of me that fears that The Mouse That Roars could actually somehow do this.
Posted by: LizLem at August 25, 2014 04:05 PM (yRwC


Yeah. I don't think that's actually a joke.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at August 25, 2014 04:07 PM (mf5HN)

411 Hey, I'm reading Robinson Crusoe. The real version, not the tidied-up kids version with all that yucky religious stuff excised.

Anyway, ol' Robinson says halfway through the book that he left his parrot behind when he was rescued.

Then, at the end when he gets rescued, he says he brought the parrot with him.

Um, how did he not catch that? I guess it's kinda like Shakespeare claiming that Bohemia had a seacoast.

Posted by: Citizen X at August 25, 2014 04:07 PM (7ObY1)

412 "What the fuck is wrong with you idiots? The best minds came up with Common Core!!!!"

"Are you're kids going to use it?"

"No AND FUCK YOU!!!"

Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at August 25, 2014 04:07 PM (oFCZn)

413 408 Boss Moss,

I think the Glee Meat is mostly a San Fran thing...they wete NOT anywhere from SC to San Diego

Posted by: sven10077 at August 25, 2014 04:08 PM (/4AZU)

414
I'm joking of course, but there is a small part of me that fears that The Mouse That Roars could actually somehow do this.


Posted by: LizLem at August 25, 2014 04:05 PM (yRwC


they keep trying....

Posted by: Pluto, God of the Underworld and Metals at August 25, 2014 04:08 PM (f0pWu)

415
You might want to check that. The letter O was on number 6.
Number 7 was P, R, S. No Q.

--


O was zero, and there was no Q, and the 9 key was WXY - no Z. As I recall, Q resembled 0, and Z resembled 2, and so were left off.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 25, 2014 04:08 PM (0Jb7F)

416 Burger King is gonna buy Tim Horton's, move HQ to Canada for lower corporate tax.

Two Senators have already called on Feds to punish/block/attack Burger King. MSNBC ConservaProg Scarborough has called for nationwide boycott. Other derps angrily derping.

Posted by: Franch Dressing at August 25, 2014 04:08 PM (zwdxl)

417 I know good mathematicians who were taught by brilliant melanin-enhanced math teachers. Melanin has squat to do with it. The problem is shitty teachers superintended by shitty superintendents.

Blow up the public schools.

(figuratively speaking)

Then you'll see panic set in. When panic sets in, people return to the basics, and return to results. Not theories. Not feel-good bullshit. Not "social" aims of education. But RESULTS.

And nothing, absolutely NOTHING teaches a young kid real self-esteem, whatever the pigment, than his own feeling of MASTERY.

Posted by: Feh at August 25, 2014 04:08 PM (pbF1h)

418
I thought we weren't supposed to say 'dwarf' any more.
Little person planet?

Hat's off to everyone for not calling Pluto a midget.

Posted by: wth at August 25, 2014 04:08 PM (wAQA5)

419 Newd Perry up

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at August 25, 2014 04:08 PM (WDySP)

420 So ... apparently the progtards have declared war on Burger King as economic traitors. Posted by: Franch Dressing at August 25, 2014 04:02 PM (zwdxl)

Do not mess with Canadians and Tim Hortons.

Posted by: LizLem at August 25, 2014 04:08 PM (yRwC8)

421 Netanyahu's Approval Rating Plummets Dramatically



Poll finds only 38% of Israelis satisfied with PM, as opposed to 82% at start of Gaza operation; neglect of south raises ire.





A tiger doesn't change it's stripes.



Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2014 04:05 PM (M0mf2)


So nearly half of Israel's population just "flows with the wind?"

You do understand that if this is true it means they have no moral foundation; and they just go where the tide goes.
That's unfortunate.

Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 04:09 PM (x3YFz)

422 Burger King leads the tax revolt.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2014 04:09 PM (7PZwu)

423 Nood Rick Perry.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at August 25, 2014 04:09 PM (ojnk6)

424 Pluto failed to clear it's orbit of debris....

Naughty little planets that fail to do this are reclassified as dwarfs.

Posted by: Neptune at August 25, 2014 04:10 PM (V4DVN)

425 WSJ Headline: "Crowds Mourn Shooting Victim Michael Brown"

Serious you guys, if only they would let me write the headlines...

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 25, 2014 04:10 PM (jtgkZ)

426 And apparently I studied Common Core English.

You're...your...you're...your...

Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at August 25, 2014 04:10 PM (oFCZn)

427 They're saying that SF has over $100 million in damages from quake.

Suck it up, SF. Suck it up.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2014 04:11 PM (nrZl8)

428 Fail. Sheldon actually complained about Pluto being downgraded on the show.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2014 04:02 PM (JICPr)



He did. Nice catch Buzz. Posted by: TangoNine at August 25, 2014 04:05 PM (x3YFz)

I enjoyed that ep. He got to be a dick to Neil Degrasse Tyson to his face and call him out on the declassification, it was highly enjoyable.

Posted by: LizLem at August 25, 2014 04:12 PM (yRwC8)

429 I know good mathematicians who were taught by brilliant melanin-enhanced math teachers. Melanin has squat to do with it.


I disagree. Melanin protects incompetent teachers from the consequences of their incompetence, even more than the teachers' union protects incompetents in general. And it helps them get the job in the first place. So melanin does in fact have something to do with it, counterexamples notwithstanding.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 04:12 PM (SLea8)

430 And apparently I studied Common Core English.



You're...your...you're...your...

Posted by: Dr. Dack Thrombosis at August 25, 2014 04:10 PM (oFCZn)

What a looser. (my pet peeve)

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 25, 2014 04:13 PM (SLea8)

431 So ... apparently the progtards have declared war on Burger King as economic traitors.

The Ghey Whopper didn't save them.

Never does.

Posted by: Theodore Rex at August 25, 2014 04:15 PM (jGJv8)

432 O was zero, and there was no Q, and the 9 key
was WXY - no Z. As I recall, Q resembled 0, and
Z resembled 2, and so were left off.



Actually, on a rotary phone, #1 was blank, #2 was ABC,
#3 was DEF, #4 was GHI, #5 was JKL, #6 was MNO, #7 was PRS, #8 was TUV, #9 was WXY, 0 was OPERATOR.
I had to Bing an image. It's been too long.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2014 04:16 PM (H6gu4)

433 No letter "O" on a rotary phone, it went M, N, P.

"O" was for the operator and was it's own dialing hole, the last one.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at August 25, 2014 04:00 PM (y34oM)

I remember dialing Zero for operator at the end of the rotary (digits began with 1 and ended with 0).

My childhood phone number began "Woodland 7" to be dialed "967".

Likely "5" was assigned letters MN.
But "6" had "o" for the Woodland prefix.

Posted by: panzernashorn at August 25, 2014 04:16 PM (TfAS/)

434 393 Oh, and grammar. I'd bet money that most English teachers in service nowadays weren't even taught grammar systematically, or know another language that required mastering a robust meta-language along the way. We don't even have teachers in place to make a reform in the teaching of English.

How many ways can you spell "f***ed"?
Posted by: Feh at August 25, 2014 03:59 PM (pbF1h)

I taught myself grammar by reading. I have a BA in English from a Top 50 school, a JD from a Top 25 law school, and 15 years of professional, full-time writing and editing experience. I am a published author, and both my children are considered "gifted" in language arts.

However, as I do not have a degree in "Education," nor a tag-along Master's degree from Phoenix, I am not allowed to teach.

Trevor Donttasemebro, however, who uses the word "like" incorrectly every time he speaks, is heading up the English department at 90 percent of our nation's public schools, and will be retiring soon with a pension.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 25, 2014 04:16 PM (vgIRn)

435 It's almost as if those with advanced degrees in education...don't actually know anything about how education actually happens. Go figure.

Posted by: Stu-22 at August 25, 2014 04:17 PM (AiYlm)

436 Educators keep wanting to skip the bullshit, and move on to mastery. It's like trying to be a black belt by simply teaching kids black belt moves, without mastering all the stuff that came before.

The best way to learn to fly a jet flighter is just to get into the cockpit and do it man! You'll figure it out!

Posted by: Liberty weeps at August 25, 2014 04:17 PM (sta+V)

437 364 18% of 3980

3980 is...

111110001100 soooo you put that in the shift register and...



18% is 16 + 2 (10010)

So take
1111 1000 1100 0000 (shift 4) +
0001 1111 0001 1000 (shift 2)
=
1 0001 0111 1101 1000 (bin)

= 71640 (dec)

Since that is a neat multiple of 2, it fits in a floating point format and *mumble mumble*

Thus, 716.4.

Someone wanna pull out the assembly language next?

Posted by: CM at August 25, 2014 04:18 PM (0NdlF)

438
http://tinyurl.com/n4273w3

Ringo Starr made his own "one per album" contributions to the band

Posted by: panzernashorn at August 25, 2014 03:45 PM (TfAS/)








Just a side note: songwriting credits on albums have very little to do with who wrote what. It's about the songwriting royalties. Including at least one songwriting credit per member ensures that they get a little more than just a one-time payment for the session work.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 25, 2014 04:18 PM (TIIx5)

439 The great educational insight - people who are naturally good at things often skip the boring parts.

The problem is never how to teach the high achievers anything. AND it is not how to make the low achievers into high achivers. It is how to make the low achievers slightly better than low. In other words, you can make smart people dumb, and you can make dumb people dumb, but you can't make someone dumb, smart. You can only make them slightly less dumb.

Posted by: Liberty weeps at August 25, 2014 04:20 PM (sta+V)

440 If we start calling Pluto-sized objects planets, we're going to have a whole lot of memorizing to do.

Posted by: rickl at August 25, 2014 04:21 PM (zoehZ)

441 Speaking as a teacher.... A-yup.
But common sense isn't as common as you might think, and NIMBYs are everywhere.

Posted by: Rolf at August 25, 2014 04:21 PM (be0G3)

442 http://tinyurl.com/p5zldg8

old rotary phone

Digit 1 had no alphabet letters assigned; and

the alphabet ended with digit 9 without the letter Z.

Last whole was Zero reserved for 'operator'.

Posted by: panzernashorn at August 25, 2014 04:21 PM (TfAS/)

443 Kids should not be taught to memorize the alphabet either. They should intuitively be able to read eventually.

-
And who says that there are only 26 letters? Kids should be able to make up their own letters.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2014 04:21 PM (8MlTP)

444 Speaking of math and memorization , how many can tell me what SOHCAHTOA means?
Posted by: Bob Belcher


sine=opp/hyp
cos=adj/hyp
tan=opp/adj

Posted by: Cicero Skip at August 25, 2014 04:22 PM (FIrEF)

445 Jay

Yep, when you put it that way, you're right.

Posted by: Feh at August 25, 2014 04:23 PM (pbF1h)

446 I'm home schooling my two children. The oldest is in second grade and the youngest is in prekindergarten. We are using the Classical Method, which is based on the old world liberal arts educations people used to get. It is essentially a lot of the same material and methods of learning as the upper classes used to get from their tutors and boarding schools before public schooling became a big, wide-spread thing.

Rote memorization is a HUGE part of the elementary age education in the Classical Method. We memorize Addition and Subtractions facts, phonograms, poetry, and we practice our handwriting every single day. The key for children at its age really retaining any kind of formal training is repetition and memorization. I've tried the more free-flowing and intuition based techniques with my oldest. He could tell you the answers to whatever we were doing that day, and then didn't remember them the next day. With the traditional memorization methods he retains it because it's basically seared into his little brain.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 25, 2014 04:24 PM (qFpRI)

447 Call me "crazy", but I read this post, and I come to the conclusion...


ACE F-ING LOVES MATH!!!


[Now look what I've done - I'm banned for life for sure...]

Posted by: Optimizer at August 25, 2014 04:25 PM (saDM3)

448 You could solve all America's educational problems by doing this:

Spend 70% of the funds on the bottom 40%
Spend 25% of the funds for the 40-97th%
and 5% on the 97%+

It's a perfectly cromulent idea

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 25, 2014 04:26 PM (4CVLy)

449
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 25, 2014 04:24 PM (qFpRI)
That sounds absolutely fantastic. Lucky kids you have!

Posted by: LizLem at August 25, 2014 04:27 PM (yRwC8)

450 School House Rock!
3 is a Magic Number
Four-Legged Zoo

Little Twelve-Toes is where I first time I thought about a number system other than Base-10

Posted by: Hobbiehawk at August 25, 2014 04:28 PM (IPGju)

451 Posted by: IllTemperedCur

438.

You didn't bother checking the link?

Yes, Ringo wrote some songs that made it on to their albums. And yes, he sang solo on some written by Paul/John.

Ace's point was that Ringo didn't write songs because he was just the drummer -- as if drummers don't know how to compose music.

-- Dumb thing to say --

Posted by: panzernashorn at August 25, 2014 04:29 PM (TfAS/)

452 @372 "OBAMA MEETING WITH CHUCK HAGEL ON STRATEGY AGAINST ISLAMIC STATE

Hangover meets drunk.

Posted by: wth at August 25, 2014 03:55 PM (wAQA5)

no shit. Put two idiots in a room. Hilarity ensues."



For a second there, I thought it said "Hillary ensues". Whoa...

Posted by: Optimizer at August 25, 2014 04:30 PM (saDM3)

453 446. Mandy, brava!

Posted by: panzernashorn at August 25, 2014 04:31 PM (TfAS/)

454 Back in the ancient days, I had "new math". It made no sense to me and my mom, generally good with math, couldn't help me out. Many years later, I took a finite math class that covered logic gates. It was the first time I made sense of what they were trying to do with new math.

And for the record, as someone that dislikes math, we are doing kids a disfavor in college by focusing on STEM classes. If you need it for a degree, that's fine. We have kids that are illiterate about history and can't put together a sentence that makes sense. Let's give the kids that aren't math majors a few more classes they can shine in (and I still havent found a use for all that Algebra they made me take!)

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 25, 2014 04:31 PM (Lqy/e)

455
Key and Peele's "Substitute Teacher" sketch is an instant classic.

http://youtu.#be/Dd7FixvoKBw
_

remove the pound sign.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 25, 2014 04:31 PM (4CVLy)

456 452. hot damn. got me, too.

/She'd sue if not ensue.

Posted by: panzernashorn at August 25, 2014 04:32 PM (TfAS/)

457 The only one who didn't wind up knowing how to write songs was Ringo and that's because he was Just a Drummer.

Ringo effin' Starr was also the only Beatle to marry James Bond girl Barbara effin' Bach. He is the richest drummer in the world.

Put that in your pipe smoke it, h8rz!!!!!

Posted by: THE TICK at August 25, 2014 04:32 PM (hlJPF)

458 Algebra is also about analytical thinking (in a non-quantitative way).

Posted by: Optimizer at August 25, 2014 04:33 PM (saDM3)

459
Ringo was the smartest Beatle. "you guys write the songs and make me rich, I'll just bang these drums all day"

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2014 04:35 PM (w4KwQ)

460 (and I still havent found a use for all that Algebra they made me take!)

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 25, 2014 04:31 PM (Lqy/e)

regardless, learning Algebra created thinking patterns and processes in your brain which would enable logic and insights without your necessarily being aware, because you understood something perceptually

Posted by: panzernashorn at August 25, 2014 04:36 PM (TfAS/)

461 @435 "It's almost as if those with advanced degrees in education...don't actually know anything about how education actually happens. Go figure."



It's almost as if "educators" are actually mostly there as political patronage jobs for Big Government, more interested in indoctrination than anybody actually learning something.

Posted by: Optimizer at August 25, 2014 04:36 PM (saDM3)

462 >>> Back in the ancient days, I had "new math". It made no sense to me and
my mom, generally good with math, couldn't help me out. Many years
later, I took a finite math class that covered logic gates. It was the
first time I made sense of what they were trying to do with new math.

I had something similar with middle school Algebra. My new teacher with his fancy new math ideas has us use these weird block things in class to show how to arrive at the answers and to represent x and y. BLOCKS. Yeah, epic fail, I got a C. Next year repeated the same class from an older teacher who did it the traditional blackboard way, got an A-.

"If it's broke, don't fix it" is a quintessentially conservative idea nowadays; sad, it should be more of a universal idea.

Posted by: LizLem at August 25, 2014 04:40 PM (yRwC8)

463 wow did you hear Sharptons eulogy?


My TV has a tard-dampening feature.

What did not-so Sharpton say?

-
He said being black isn't about being a thug but about working hard and prospering.

He's something of an imperfect messenger.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2014 04:42 PM (8MlTP)

464 459. Looking back, I thought it took some guts for Ringo to be the train conductor for a PBS children's show. But he never lost his "cool" factor, nor his better human nature.

Of the two surviving Beatles, Ringo is the only one who bothered to acknowledge their former Secretary after all these years. He gave a cameo on the film made of The Beatles fan club secretary, their most loyal fan from their first days playing lunchtime in Liverpool. Interesting independent flick, behind the scenes story from the girl who was their own only secretary all those years. She'd given away EVERYTHING to other fans the day the band broke up, and went back to a "normal life" -- but when her son grew up and asked who the Beatles were, she made her little story into the Indi flick, not revealing sordid secrets, but setting straight their personalities and how they treated her, and how she stood her ground when bullied by Paul.

Posted by: panzernashorn at August 25, 2014 04:45 PM (TfAS/)

465 This late in the thread I don't expect an answer, but here goes: Why don't they simply take a poorly performing school, and turn it into plumbing school? Instead of trying to turn these kids into college bound seniors, every student gets drilled in pumbing. Every class. Thewhole ciriculum revolves around pumbing, the knowledge thereof. Plumbing and life skills.

Thoses kids graduate and they have a skill, a good skill, to market. Not sexy, but heck, you can find a job if you are a good plumber. Average starting pay for a pumber is $20/hr. You can move to any city you want and find a job.

Do the same for mechanics. electricians. carpenters. heavy equipment operators. Forget about calculus, teach them skills. And there is a desperate need for skilled workers it his country.

THEIR kids can grow up to be doctors and lawyers. But they have to get up the first rung of the ladder.

Posted by: Liberty weeps at August 25, 2014 04:56 PM (sta+V)

466 Hey, let's be fair to Ringo. He did write "It Don't Come Easy" by himself, and I doubt anybody reading this thread has written a song as successful as that one.

Posted by: Joshua at August 25, 2014 04:59 PM (oCZ4e)

467 435
461

It all depends on which pedagogical approach graduate students actually research and apply.

The further that socialism entered "education" the less integrity in content.

During the later 19th and early 20th centuries, there were many great pedagogues.

Expectations were demanding.

Parents made certain their kids completed homework before bed. And there was no such thing yet as radio or television as distraction.

Today, assbackwards. The 'demanding expectations' are to teach as little knowledge as possible for as long as possible to as many as possible at once, LOWEST DENOMINATOR LESSON PLANS, while getting paid to babysit and brainwash people into thinking and functioning according to a certain ideology. We're all winners, Losers!




Posted by: panzernashorn at August 25, 2014 05:02 PM (TfAS/)

468 This isn't about helping kids learn. Its about alienating real parents and making society and teachers the trusted parent.

Posted by: Mega at August 25, 2014 05:05 PM (Lx6yL)

469 Flash cards, 3 minute drills of 100 problems and rigorous testing was how I learned basic math. We did addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. I don't have to pull out a calculator to do any of that stuff. It is as natural to know the answers as it is to breathe.

But, 40 years later, my youngest struggles with those same things that used to be memorized. (She does have some valid academic challenges, but we try to combat the teachers' ways of teaching basic "math". It's difficult when what they "learn" in school does not complement memorizing the basic math tables.) She has cute little methods of using fingers, cute little ways of doing number points, counts in her head, etc. But, it takes her forever to do simple addition.

The problem is, when she gets to algebra and beyond, it is going to take her forever to do a single problem because she tries to count out every last damn thing she does. It's no wonder that math scores are falling. Not knowing a few hundred very basic math "facts" cripples the ability to do anything advanced.

I argued with my wife (and finally won) about memorizing basic math. She was all into the cute little ways to figure out 8 + 6. I finally convinced her that she looks at 8 + 6 and knows the answer immediately because she MEMORIZED the problem in 2nd grade. She never needs to find the answer again because she knows it now and forever (or until Alzheimer's or dementia kicks in). We got the flash cards and were able to make some improvements, but the new math methods have done their damage.

Posted by: John C at August 25, 2014 05:11 PM (UeU18)

470 A riff on Thomas Sowell's "Vision of the Anointed."

The world, conceived in the tragic vision, is "a system of innumerable and reciprocal interactions..." and recognizes the limitations of humans.

The vision of the anointed says that tradition is always wrong (if not an actual tool of oppression). Therefore, anything that replaces traditional ways of doing things must be better than the old way.

Teaching math has evolved over a period of centuries, with hundreds of thousands of teachers and billions of students.

Certain practices, such as memorization of addition and multiplication tables became widespread and common.

Therefore, the anointed have been fighting these practices for many years.

Posted by: LochLomondFarms at August 25, 2014 05:19 PM (HyNyw)

471 This is bullshit! Absolute bullshit! Schools should continue teaching conceptual math. Leave memorization to those of us who understand it.

Posted by: A Concerned Kumon Franchisee at August 25, 2014 05:39 PM (LISuA)

472 Oh, why am I always so late.

Anyway, this is like teaching Theory and Harmony to music students, before you teach them how to fucking play some songs on their axe.

Posted by: Jeanne of the North at August 25, 2014 05:44 PM (j1ODT)

473 YES.

#teacherapproved

Posted by: Jane at August 25, 2014 05:52 PM (Ntg5X)

474 Require by law all schools to use common core calculation process for all payroll.
Common core facilitator quote: "The right answer is not important."
They should be the first required to live by their gimmicks.

Posted by: bien veni at August 25, 2014 06:36 PM (HT3wn)

475 @438: But Ringo didn't get any songwriting credits "spread out" to him until Rubber Soul, on which he had a co-writing credit on "What Goes On" with John and Paul. He didn't get a writing credit without John or Paul until the White Album ("Don't Pass Me By").

Posted by: Joshua at August 25, 2014 06:54 PM (oCZ4e)

476 @466: To correct my earlier comment, apparently George Harrison contributed a lot to "It Don't Come Easy" but didn't take a songwriting credit for his contributions to the song.

Posted by: Joshua at August 25, 2014 07:01 PM (oCZ4e)

477 Bad Boys Ra(c)e Our Young Girls Behind Victory Garden Walls Get Some Now!

The electronic color codes. Was this in the official Navy module? So much is a blur....

Posted by: All Hail Eris at August 25, 2014 07:19 PM (QBm1P)

478 The only time I use Algebra in my daily life is for percentages:
percentage/100 = is/of
Therefore,
18/100 = X/3980,--> 100x = 71640, --> X = 716.40
Simple. Takes about 5 seconds and I have never forgotten it. Oh, the public schools were so good in the early 70's.

Posted by: Log Cabin at August 25, 2014 07:37 PM (JV/H0)

479 (Many high-performing kids, by the way, come into first grade already having memorized a lot of the addition tables and times tables, because their parents already taught them that -- no government school needed.)

Precisely. When I reached Kindergarten, I had already been able to print (somewhat crudely) words and numbers, could read most of a primer book when others would barely make it though two sentences and could add and subtract up to about 20. Because my mother and father had taught me all this before setting foot in a classroom.


Posted by: cheshirecat at August 25, 2014 07:43 PM (0UljF)

480
I learned my multiplication tables by listening to them said over and
over and over through headphones, then by writing them out over and over
and over after that. I hated it, but I sure did learn them.


Multiplication Rock, baby. Multiplication Rock. And I can still sing all the songs.

Posted by: cheshirecat at August 25, 2014 07:45 PM (0UljF)

481 "If in your wisdom you feel we should learn to crawl before we walk, I mean, that's fine too."

It goes from God, to Jerry, to the cleaners...right, Kent?

Posted by: cheshirecat at August 25, 2014 07:49 PM (0UljF)

482 Of course, there's nothing particularly new about this. It's the way I learned my multiplication tables many moons ago

Bob Dorough, et al. says "you're welcome".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dorough


Posted by: cheshirecat at August 25, 2014 07:51 PM (0UljF)

483 "Fifty internet points to anyone who can tell me what that mnemonic is for without Binging it."

I know that, but how many of us here remember their biology?

Posted by: cheshirecat at August 25, 2014 08:02 PM (0UljF)

484 I think Ace is far too charitable. The reason for preferring the Music Man method for math and reading isn't because anybody believes it works, but because it requires years of graded readers, extra workbooks, manipulatives and expensive gimmicks and curriculum as it takes six years to teach what was once learned in one.

Posted by: DHM at August 25, 2014 08:25 PM (mhcif)

485 ""2a. The higher-performing kids began as
memorized-answer-repeaters, but eventually their memorized answers
simply became incorporated into their working knowledge/intuition base.""

Seriously, how fucking stupid and technocratic and liberal do you have to be to think otherwise?

I know that it's hard to remember what it was like as a kid, but did you ever meet or can you even CONCEIVE of a third grader who didn't have to memorize a times table and just instinctively knew the answer.

Oh right, really really smart kids. Because they were memorizing them in second grade, or first. Dougie Houser probably memorized them in kindergarten.

Fuck Bill Gates so hard.

Posted by: Tyrone at August 25, 2014 10:26 PM (XXv3i)

486 Aloha! from North Carolina, home of the hula...

Posted by: cthulhu at August 25, 2014 10:58 PM (cc39m)

487 So, if Alberta is figuring this out now, how much further behind could US states be?

Posted by: cthulhu at August 25, 2014 11:09 PM (cc39m)

488 So sorry I missed this thread, but I was teaching math today. It's interesting that several of my students were talking about the stuff their children are being taught in grade school in place of addition, multiplication, etc.

Posted by: Mindy at August 26, 2014 12:04 AM (2xNTJ)

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