Former CBS CEO Les Moonves, Forced Out Due to Sexual Harassment Allegations, Will Not Receive His $120 Million Severance Package

He had a nasty habit and it wound up being super-expensive.



Les Moonves, the shamed ex-CEO of CBS, will not get his $120 million severance package, CBS announced late Monday, citing his failure to "cooperate fully" with an internal investigation of allegations of sexual misconduct against him.

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"With regard to Mr. Moonves, we have determined that there are grounds to terminate for cause, including his willful and material misfeasance, violation of Company policies and breach of his employment contract, as well as his willful failure to cooperate fully with the Company’s investigation. Mr. Moonves will not receive any severance payment from the Company," the statement said.

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His golden parachute looked even more imperiled in late November when The New York Times posted a lengthy story describing how he allegedly forced oral sex on a young actress years ago and then worked with her down-and-out agent to get her roles to keep her quiet after the #MeToo movement exploded.

Under his employment contract, the network would not have to pay Moonves severance if the investigation found evidence that he did not tell the full truth about whether he tried to pay off an accuser with job offers and then tried to hide it.

Moonves' lawyer called the decision a sham and suggested that CBS was defaming Moonves, possibly previewing a coming lawsuit.

I keep telling you guys: We need to listen more to our Media Elite and aspire to be more like them.

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1 The future is sex robots.

Posted by: Chris M at December 18, 2018 05:49 PM (eAZVt)

2 I want a compensation package like Les.

Didn't he have on-call hottie blow jobs in his contract?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:50 PM (xJa6I)

3 The future is sex robots.

Not with me it's not.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 18, 2018 05:51 PM (AllCR)

4 1 The future is sex robots.
Posted by: Chris M at December 18, 2018 05:49 PM (eAZVt)

Don't tease me

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:51 PM (xJa6I)

5 Is this the guy with 4 staff who were just for beejers?

Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 05:51 PM (w7KSn)

6 That's too bad. 120 million would get you a lot of Beegers on Pedo Island

Posted by: Bruce at December 18, 2018 05:52 PM (8ikIW)

7 >>I keep telling you guys: We need to listen more to our Media Elite and aspire to be more like them.

The man had a BJ staffer on call. Who am I to judge this titan of industry.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 05:52 PM (/tuJf)

8 So how much of a severance package does he get, Only 20 million or what?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 18, 2018 05:52 PM (AllCR)

9 10

Posted by: eleven at December 18, 2018 05:52 PM (NLLmE)

10 I'll bet he sues and gets the full amount.

Just like Harvey Ficus fucker.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:53 PM (xJa6I)

11 Looking up a net worth of 700 mil. This won't hurt too much. Now he can spend more time with his family.

Posted by: Bosk at December 18, 2018 05:53 PM (9m9TT)

12 Surprised the industry did not paper it all over.... Moonves must have made enemies in the biz.

Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 05:53 PM (90T4r)

13 8 So how much of a severance package does he get, Only 20 million or what?

heh. "severance package"

Posted by: Lorena Bobbit at December 18, 2018 05:53 PM (xGZ+b)

14 Sounds like he'll do worse than Weinstein.

Weinstein defense...

But first, you'll blow me.

Posted by: golfman at December 18, 2018 05:53 PM (GL/05)

15

Hey, I was promised a nood rich guy...

Posted by: Shemp Smith at December 18, 2018 05:53 PM (rr4fE)

16 12 Surprised the industry did not paper it all over.... Moonves must have made enemies in the biz.
Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 05:53 PM (90T4r)



We can hope.

Posted by: eleven at December 18, 2018 05:54 PM (NLLmE)

17 He's got a hot Chinese wife, he'll be ok

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 18, 2018 05:54 PM (bQtop)

18 I'll bet he sues and gets the full amount.



Just like Harvey Ficus fucker.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:53 PM (xJa6I)


Pray for casualties.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 05:54 PM (0QYMt)

19 "Under his employment contract, the network would not have to pay Moonves severance if the investigation found evidence that he did not tell the full truth about whether he tried to pay off an accuser with job offers and then tried to hide it."

Is it common to have an "investigation revealed that you tried to hide job offer bribes to accusers" clause in an employment contract? That seems oddly specific. I don't think there's one in mine. I could be wrong. Maybe it's boilerplate.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 18, 2018 05:55 PM (t+qrx)

20 >>>Moonves' lawyer called the decision a sham and suggested that CBS was defaming Moonves, possibly previewing a coming lawsuit.


Would this be the same lawyer who advised him to lie during the internal investigation?

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 18, 2018 05:55 PM (HmZuC)

21 Pray for casualties.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 05:54 PM (0QYMt)


Amen.

Posted by: eleven at December 18, 2018 05:55 PM (NLLmE)

22 This is all just the various lawyers trying to strategize which legal team gets to keep most of the money.

He will sue, they will countersue,.... and lawyers will buy new jets.

Posted by: Gentlemen, This is democracy manifest at December 18, 2018 05:55 PM (LWu6U)

23 While sex robots (God help us) will take a lot of the place for some guys, it has to be confessed that a great deal of the attraction for the abuses is the power over another human aspect.

So robots won't cut it.

Especially when you factor in the celebrity factor.

Posted by: moviegique at December 18, 2018 05:55 PM (oRIVo)

24 Leftists can't keep it in their pants.

Posted by: Constantine XI at December 18, 2018 05:55 PM (yiAMj)

25 MOONVES what a cow SEE BEE ESSS.

Posted by: saf at December 18, 2018 05:56 PM (5IHGB)

26 Somebody peed on his golden parachute.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 18, 2018 05:56 PM (aKsyK)

27 We can hope.
Posted by: eleven at December 18, 2018 05:54 PM (NLLmE)

Hope in one hand....

OT It's Keith Richard's birthday.

Yee fucking ha.

Posted by: golfman at December 18, 2018 05:56 PM (GL/05)

28 Hypocrite fucks. This stuff was SOP. Why do you think Hollywood is populated with soulless vampires?

Posted by: Fritz at December 18, 2018 05:56 PM (Z9C5C)

29 OT It's Keith Richard's birthday.


The impossible life.

Posted by: eleven at December 18, 2018 05:57 PM (NLLmE)

30 10 I'll bet he sues and gets the full amount.

Just like Harvey Ficus fucker.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:53 PM (xJa6I)



All the better. Make the libmedia pay.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 05:57 PM (ujg0T)

31 Billy Jeff is still receiving his pension, right?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 05:57 PM (ptqGC)

32 So robots won't cut it.
Especially when you factor in the celebrity factor.


Marilyn Monroebot

Posted by: wooga at December 18, 2018 05:58 PM (WTBaJ)

33 Looking up a net worth of 700 mil. This won't hurt too much. Now he can spend more time with his family.
Posted by: Bosk at December 18, 2018 05:53 PM (9m9TT)

11th generational grand child hardest hit.

Posted by: golfman at December 18, 2018 05:58 PM (GL/05)

34 I want a legal opinion on how much groping one can get away with before $120M in constructive termination goes bye-bye. Asking for a friend.

Posted by: JEM at December 18, 2018 05:58 PM (8erNz)

35 10 I'll bet he sues and gets the full amount.

Just like Harvey Ficus fucker.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:53 PM (xJa6I)



Probably depends on the contract. Didn't Harvey basically have a "as long as you pay for your sexual assault hush money yourself, it's all good," line in his contract? If Moonves didn't I can see him not getting the full amount. Probably will settle for a pretty penny though.

Posted by: buzzion at December 18, 2018 05:58 PM (WaxcS)

Martha McSally Appointed to Complete John McCain's Term, Taking Over from the Retiring John Kyl

So it's done now.

Ben Domenech asks an important question: Given that this Establishment Blank lost to a troop-hating, terrorist-supporting, tutu-wearing, Arizona-trashing feminist freak, what are her chances of actually holding the seat?

Under Arizona law, Ducey's appointment of McSally means she is essentially tasked with filling out a sequence of two year terms. She will have to run for re-election in 2020, and run again in 2022. The demands of running non-stop are hard enough when you’re talking about a House seat. In this case, McSally will have to do something she hasn’t done before -- win statewide -- in back to back election cycles.

On paper, McSally looks like an ideal candidate. She has a Harvard degree, a lengthy record of military service, and an ideologically moderate record in Congress. But as a campaigner, she has much to prove. Her first foray into politics was a loss in a special election nomination fight (to Federalist contributor Jesse Kelly); she then lost a general election campaign for the same seat by less than 1 percent; she then won the district in the following election after a recount by 167 votes. McSally has won only one election by a significant margin, and her loss to Kyrsten Sinema in 2018's Senate election was by less than 3 percent of the vote. The historical trend is clear: win or lose, it's usually very close.

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Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:52 PM (AzW6q)

2 Nice

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 18, 2018 04:52 PM (cqNba)

3 No...

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at December 18, 2018 04:52 PM (vgwv+)

4 Is it some kind of Aridzone requirement that Senators have to have names that start with Mc?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:53 PM (37IEG)

5 Second!

I get that a lot...

Posted by: Martha McSally at December 18, 2018 04:53 PM (K/YDc)

6 Almost first! Almost first!

Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at December 18, 2018 04:53 PM (37IEG)

7 I love that I can post in a thread an hour before it is even posted on the blog.


Look ma....I'm a time traveler.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 18, 2018 04:53 PM (cqNba)

8 McGonzales?

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at December 18, 2018 04:53 PM (vgwv+)

9 Thanks, Gov. Douchey.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 18, 2018 04:54 PM (AM1GF)

10 Dumb.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 04:54 PM (NgKpN)

11 Mc Goldwater?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:54 PM (NFEMn)

12 Paul Sperry
DEVELOPING: Last-minute court maneuvering in the false statement/leaking (NYT's Ali Watkins, et. al.) case of disgraced Senate Intelligence Committee security director and Trump hater James Wolfe - new documents filed under seal ahead of Thursday sentencing

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 04:54 PM (BqBId)

13 I don't know. Two years is a long time in politics.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 04:54 PM (0QYMt)

14

Tutu-wearing?

You have pics of Cinema in a tutu?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:54 PM (kyzbF)

15 The circus maximus has come to Arizona?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 04:55 PM (pzswX)

16 and the guv should have appointed anyone else but cuxgottacucque.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 18, 2018 04:55 PM (K/YDc)

17 She didn't really fight for election, because the fix was in.

She knew she would be appointed even if she lost.

This is the Peter Principle made manifest.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 04:55 PM (NgKpN)

18 Says more about Arizona (and perhaps the US) than McSally.

Posted by: golfman at December 18, 2018 04:55 PM (GL/05)

19 I'm in an hour before this thread was posted. Time machine FTW!

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 04:55 PM (ffYR/)

20 McSally keeping the seat?


Slim! Slim! Come back, Slim!

Posted by: None at December 18, 2018 04:55 PM (UsCnO)

21
When AZ gets it good and hard from Porno Cinema, I don't think McSally will have too much trouble keeping the seat.

Then again, foot in mouth disease with GOP candidates is a thing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:55 PM (/9p9e)

22 VIA, I got the dunce cap for doing that, so don't do that.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 18, 2018 04:56 PM (K/YDc)

23

McSally will be primaried in 2020 because she'll vote with the Democrats in the Senate.

Mark my words.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:56 PM (kyzbF)

24 The difference between 2018 and 2020 is that Trump will be running in 2020.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 04:56 PM (/tuJf)

25

Nasty Dyke on Dyke action, and not in a good way...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 18, 2018 04:57 PM (rr4fE)

26 14 Tutu-wearing?

You have pics of Cinema in a tutu?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:54 PM (kyzbF)


Code Pinko demonstrations back in '03-'04.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:57 PM (/9p9e)

27 McSally stars in a remake called A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Senate???

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 04:57 PM (pzswX)

28
McSally is a shit. A "moderate" nincompoop.

McSally will vote exactly like Cinema because she'll figure that's the best way to win in 2020...voting like the Democrat winner of 2018.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:57 PM (kyzbF)

29

McSally only fights in Republican primaries.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:58 PM (kyzbF)

30 I have not yet begun to surrender!

Posted by: Sen McSally at December 18, 2018 04:58 PM (cRkMZ)

31 The difference between 2018 and 2020 is that Trump will be running in 2020.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 04:56 PM (/tuJf)

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This. He carried a lot of Rs over the finish line in 2016.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 04:58 PM (ffYR/)

32 Given that this Establishment Blank lost to a troop-hating, terrorist-supporting, tutu-wearing, Arizona-trashing feminist freak, what are her chances of actually holding the seat?


IIRC, that was in large part to GOP infighting, of which Ms. McSally must take much blame.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:58 PM (ujg0T)

33 Now when she runs for US Senate in 2020, she can lose TWO ARIZONA seats to the Democrats.

Posted by: rd at December 18, 2018 04:58 PM (kfj5i)

34 Ducey split the baby.

Posted by: golfman at December 18, 2018 04:58 PM (GL/05)

35 WAIT! I have an idea - let's let Russia build a base in Mexico. Then maybe the democrats will sign up for a little 3 foot wall.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:59 PM (37IEG)

36 McSally won't get a serious primary on account she will go the Corey Gardner route of being a wet noodle but voting GOP in the major votes. at least, for the first couple elections.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 18, 2018 04:59 PM (K/YDc)

37

Code Pinko demonstrations back in '03-'04.

They wore tutus?

I thought they wore tiaras.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:59 PM (kyzbF)

38 27 McSally stars in a remake called A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Senate???
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 04:57 PM (pzswX)

How many times do I have to tell you, don't fan the girls when they're wet!

You never learn, you'll be a Eunuch all your life.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 04:59 PM (NgKpN)

39 "On paper, McSally looks like an ideal candidate. She has a Harvard degree..."

Harvard? I wouldn't board my dog there now.

On the other counts, she's OK I guess.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at December 18, 2018 04:59 PM (6eEQ+)

40

If McStanky had been shot down she would have volunteered to to propaganda videos and would have moved in with the POW Camp Commander...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 18, 2018 04:59 PM (rr4fE)

41 I don't get it. She's very good at losing? A female southwestern Alan Keyes?

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 18, 2018 05:00 PM (z2W2E)

42 who else was Ducey going to pick ?

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 05:00 PM (BqBId)

43 Now when she runs for US Senate in 2020, she can lose TWO ARIZONA seats to the Democrats.
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Hey it will be another historic first for a female candidate so...woohoo!

Posted by: The FNM at December 18, 2018 05:00 PM (cRkMZ)

44 I'm just grateful he didn't nominate Cindy "Where are my Pills" McCain. And of course the GOP bench in Arizona is light. Everyone who was part of the McCain circle is now persona non grata, while hardcore right wingers keep splitting the vote.

I think President Trump can win it during re-election. But it's not the same state it was: the failure of California has puked a lot of liberalism over the rest of the country. And that solution needs a much sterner remedy than democracy can manage.

Posted by: trev006 at December 18, 2018 05:00 PM (yBq7A)

45 Senatorillisimo Jon McCain-McCain is still dead.

Posted by: Constantine XI at December 18, 2018 05:00 PM (yiAMj)

46 Wonder what Ben knows that we don't know?

Posted by: golfman at December 18, 2018 05:01 PM (GL/05)

47 It's back!!

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 05:01 PM (qxq6t)

48 In 2 years, with the wall, middle class tax cut, booming economy, and better health care, she wins in a landslide!!

Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 05:01 PM (nID3z)

49 Nasty Dyke on Dyke action, and not in a good way...
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Is McSally a turtle-bumper too? Ought to be some hot times in the Senate Womyns Locker room.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 18, 2018 05:01 PM (ty7RM)

50 Soothy, yep.

She was protesting the troops back in the day.

https://tinyurl.com/y74usp9q

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:01 PM (RU4sa)

51 Kristin Sinema really is an enigma. She reminds of Obama where she has this power over voters that I just don't understand. She really is a political animal that just knows how to win.

McSally though ran a shitty campaign, supposedly an out of state firm ran her campaign and they're known as fuck ups, but I don't think she's in a huge danger of losing as an incumbent.

But McSally doesn't deserve the seat, that's for sure.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 05:01 PM (UfkIY)

52 24
The difference between 2018 and 2020 is that Trump will be running in 2020.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 04:56 PM (/tuJf)
and another hundred thousand AZ Repubs will have passed of old age,
another two hundred thousand non-citizens will be registered to vote.

and the 9th circuit will not care at all.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 05:01 PM (UsCnO)

53 I was really hoping that Kyl would have decided to keep the seat until 2020.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 18, 2018 05:01 PM (Nv4st)

54 " what are her chances of actually holding the seat?"

Depends on whether or not we can shoot Democrat fraudsters.

Posted by: SDN at December 18, 2018 05:01 PM (K9d/B)

55 Look at the bright side,

It was McSally, not a McCain.

Posted by: rd at December 18, 2018 05:01 PM (kfj5i)

56
In 2 years, with the wall, middle class tax cut, booming economy, and better health care, she wins in a landslide!!

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Is this the alternate reality where Ms Universe is my wife? Because I totally want to live there instead of here.

Posted by: Obligatory at December 18, 2018 05:02 PM (cRkMZ)

57 MMmmmm, that's good Uniparty.

Pass that Duchie on the left hand side!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:02 PM (xJa6I)

58 Don't know about the other branches, but nowadays in the Army, the officers are more lefty than the enlisted.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:02 PM (RU4sa)

59 She was protesting the troops back in the day.



https://tinyurl.com/y74usp9q
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I'd hit that like the fist of an angry Gaia!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 18, 2018 05:03 PM (cRkMZ)

60 She's a weak sister and won't fight.

Fuck her. Fuck her right in her infrequently-visited front hole.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:03 PM (xJa6I)

61 "Harvard? I wouldn't board my dog there now."

aww come on, that Indonesian guy left decades ago.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 18, 2018 05:03 PM (K/YDc)

62 48 In 2 years, with the wall, middle class tax cut, booming economy, and better health care, she wins in a landslide!!
Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 05:01 PM (nID3z)



We have three of those already, relative to the Obamunist years.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 05:03 PM (ujg0T)

63 Ace has the time machine again.

Also this whore tanked her election because she knew this was going to happen anyway.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at December 18, 2018 05:04 PM (p1nQj)

64 Color me McDisappointed.

Posted by: nip at December 18, 2018 05:04 PM (DfGpI)

65

Is it some kind of Aridzone requirement that Senators have to have names that start with Mc?

That's because they always say, "Son of a..." whenever their RINO reps do something stoopid, which is a lot of the time.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 18, 2018 05:04 PM (HaL55)

66 42 who else was Ducey going to pick ?
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 05:00 PM (BqBId)

A random name from the phone book ?

Posted by: rd at December 18, 2018 05:04 PM (kfj5i)

67

Posted by: Gritty

Dildo, and 1 more Court Justice!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 05:04 PM (kyzbF)

68 in this reality, Miss Universe is more likely to be your husband.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 18, 2018 05:04 PM (K/YDc)

69 rd: "Look at the bright side,

It was McSally, not a McCain."


Well, I guess that beats a stick in the eye. If it's a big one. A small one might be better, though.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at December 18, 2018 05:05 PM (6eEQ+)

70 well, this would be the first mistake AZ has made, so cut them some slack

Posted by: REDACTED at December 18, 2018 05:05 PM (L/iaS)

71 60 She's a weak sister and won't fight.

Fuck her. Fuck her right in her infrequently-visited front hole.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:03 PM (xJa6I)



I am sure Kirsten Sinema and her strap-on are waiting.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 05:05 PM (ujg0T)

72

Fake News, including Wall Street Journal and Fox News, kept calling Cinema a "moderate."

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 05:05 PM (kyzbF)

73 42 who else was Ducey going to pick ?
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 05:00 PM (BqBId)

How about the woman that narrowly lost the primary to the loser McSally?

His Chief of Staff?

Posted by: rd at December 18, 2018 05:06 PM (kfj5i)

74 Yep! Supreme Court victories, Roe v Wade overturned, and PP defunded! Easy romp to re-election.

Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 05:06 PM (nID3z)

75 Alternate universes?

Original Star Trek or MechWarrior?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 05:06 PM (pzswX)

76 A random name from the phone book ?
Posted by: rd at December 18, 2018 05:04 PM (kfj5i)
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Thanks for the answer, That is the answer, there is none

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 05:06 PM (BqBId)

77 Eh, she is already an improvment over Flake and McCain.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 18, 2018 05:06 PM (OD2ni)

78 Just have to hope she's mildly better than Flake and doesn't become another Collins or Murkowski.

Posted by: Broseidon Czar of the Brocean at December 18, 2018 05:06 PM (p1nQj)

79 Arizona Establishment-Approved Moderate War Hero Pilot Senator

yeah, that's new.

Posted by: mikeyG at December 18, 2018 05:06 PM (LL1Be)

80 >>and another hundred thousand AZ Repubs will have passed of old age,
>>another two hundred thousand non-citizens will be registered to vote.

>>and the 9th circuit will not care at all.

Well if we are doomed anyway why not just throw in the towel now and drink!

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 05:07 PM (/tuJf)

81 77 Eh, she is already an improvment over Flake and McCain.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 18, 2018 05:06 PM (OD2ni)



cue Metallica's "Sad But True" :-(

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 05:07 PM (ujg0T)

82 Is this the alternate reality where Ms Universe is my wife? Because I totally want to live there instead of here.
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Alternate-alternate universe: you're married to "Miss" Universe...who comes from Spain. Adam's apple and all.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 18, 2018 05:07 PM (ty7RM)

83 McSally?


I've got this.

Posted by: Mitt at December 18, 2018 05:07 PM (UsCnO)

84

Fake News, including Wall Street Journal and Fox News, kept calling Cinema a "moderate."

A moderate communist (aka a "Progressive"). Yep, that's about right.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 18, 2018 05:07 PM (HaL55)

85 How about the woman that narrowly lost the primary to the loser McSally?
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So Kelly Ward who lost to Loser McSally would be better!? Yeah OK THen

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 05:07 PM (BqBId)

86 The place where they keep the squirrel fodder has turned on the Wi-Fi again.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 05:07 PM (pzswX)

87 Ha, was about to mention this tidbit as OT in the last thread.


AZ does have a serious McCain problem, in terms of its state GOP. That surely will start to fade. But a state on the friggin' border, facing the lawlessness directly, that can elect a stupid freak like Synema - while simultaneously re-electing a GOP governor - well, one does start to wonder what the point is.


Yeah yeah the strategic fall-back to a constitutional system, you don't challenge the judiciary's lawlessness or usurpation of vast powers contrary to the constitution, you just staff it with "your" people and hope for the best.



Posted by: rhomboid at December 18, 2018 05:07 PM (QDnY+)

88 Two douche bags out. Two douche bags in.

Barry Goldwater is spinning in his grave.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 18, 2018 05:08 PM (Z+IKu)

89 Meh. Not gonna risk my sparse remaining hair over it.

Who knows, maybe she'll "evolve" into someone electable !
I would suggest she break with DC tradition; instead of subsiding into the swamp, she could become a staunch MAGA-ite and support PDT wholeheartedly.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 18, 2018 05:08 PM (mfOi4)

90 She's bound to be an improvement over Flake and McStain, so she has that going for her.

Other than that, I don't give a shit what noted plagiarist and Malaysian whore-for-hire Ben Domenech thinks about anything.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 18, 2018 05:08 PM (Z4rgH)

91 Just like McStain she isn't my problem, wish her luck all the same.

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 05:08 PM (/rm4P)

92 >>I thought they wore tiaras.


Code Pinkos are the ones who have partnered with Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood to protest America and Israel. I cannot believe we have a Code Pinko in the Senate.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2018 05:08 PM (W+vEI)

93 "42 who else was Ducey going to pick ?
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 05:00 PM (BqBId)

How about the woman that narrowly lost the primary to the loser McSally?"


Kelli Ward? No thanks. She has crazy eyes.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 18, 2018 05:08 PM (OD2ni)

94 58 Don't know about the other branches, but nowadays in the Army, the officers are more lefty than the enlisted.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:02 PM (RU4sa)

Navy was always the same way...

I think it has to do with spending years in College... indoctrination central.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 05:08 PM (NgKpN)

95 Broseidon Czar of the Brocean: "Just have to hope she's mildly better than Flake and doesn't become another Collins or Murkowski."

I'm getting the distinct impression we should still be shorting tea and tricorner hats.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at December 18, 2018 05:09 PM (6eEQ+)

96 75 Alternate universes?

Original Star Trek or MechWarrior?
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 05:06 PM (pzswX)

Mechwarrior.

The real question is do I go to Davion space or Marik?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:09 PM (xJa6I)

97 Code Pinkos are the ones who have partnered with Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood to protest America and Israel. I cannot believe we have a Code Pinko in the Senate.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2018 05:08 PM (W+vEI)

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Why not?

After all, the Muslim Brotherhood is there to keep her company.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:09 PM (RU4sa)

98 AZ should be denied the holdmuhbeer option for as long as they stuck us with McCain.

Posted by: DaveA at December 18, 2018 05:10 PM (FhXTo)

99 McSally is WAY better than Flake or McCain, but she's definitely on the moderate end and her losing to Sinema will only scare her further to the center.

Jon Kyl was the gold standard of Senators, too bad he retired and Flake got that seat. I also think Kyl pulled McCain in the right direction.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 05:10 PM (UfkIY)

100
Code Pinkos are the ones who have partnered with Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood to protest America and Israel. I cannot believe we have a Code Pinko in the Senate.


And I cannot believe we have a Palestinian savage in the House of Representatives.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 05:10 PM (kyzbF)

101 71 60 She's a weak sister and won't fight.

Fuck her. Fuck her right in her infrequently-visited front hole.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:03 PM (xJa6I)


I am sure Kirsten Sinema and her strap-on are waiting.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 05:05 PM (ujg0T)

PPV rights sell themselves. CSPAN should get in on that shit, as you know she's going to be fucking with McSally.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:10 PM (xJa6I)

102 Thanks for the answer, That is the answer, there is none


I had no idea that Arizona was that empty.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 05:10 PM (CXeIv)

103 Archer, Marauder, or?

Well duh Davion

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 05:11 PM (pzswX)

104 Alternate-alternate universe: you're married to "Miss" Universe...who comes from Spain. Adam's apple and all.


___

Hey, I'd take a walk on that wild side.

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 18, 2018 05:11 PM (cRkMZ)

105 lol, mcsally is such a lousy candidate that there is a strong chance she could lose her bid to hold the seat to sinema, whol would then become the first senatrix to hold two seats simultaneously.




senatrix or wiccantor one or the other.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 05:11 PM (MTjB1)

106 @51

All you have to do is watch their debate, it's on youtube.


McSalley comes of as an incensere GOPe platitude machine, while Cinema sounds measured and reasoned, while spouting Donk talking points.


Throw in voter fraud in an election that shouldn't have been close on paper and you have the makings of a McSalley loss.


The Donks are going to find Cinema clone to run against her in 2020 and will probably win.


Book it.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 05:11 PM (qxq6t)

107

Shame on all the other members of Congress for allowing a palestinian animal into the chamber.





Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 05:12 PM (kyzbF)

108 103 Archer, Marauder, or?

Well duh Davion
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 05:11 PM (pzswX)

Awesome 80.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 05:12 PM (NgKpN)

109 >>And I cannot believe we have a Palestinian savage in the House of Representatives.


And the Somali brother-marrying bigot who just mocked Pence's Christianity on twitter.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2018 05:12 PM (W+vEI)

110 Which one? The Somali or Tlaib?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 05:12 PM (pzswX)

111 lol, saying mcsally is way better than the other two is like saying saddam hussein was way better than khomeni.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 05:12 PM (MTjB1)

112 Well if we are doomed anyway why not just throw in the towel now and drink!


Way ahead of ya, Brah.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 05:12 PM (CXeIv)

113 She sounds like the perfect GOPe candidate. A loser.

Posted by: buzzion at December 18, 2018 05:12 PM (WaxcS)

114 GRRL Fydr Pilette!

SJW tendencies?
Nah.

Posted by: mikeyG at December 18, 2018 05:13 PM (LL1Be)

115 Michigan is gone, go ahead and write it off.

Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 05:13 PM (nID3z)

116 I thought BSG was under bannage?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 05:13 PM (CXeIv)

117 Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 05:11 PM (qxq6t)
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Yep you are the Gold Standard, Kreplach/CN/UnderFire

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 05:13 PM (BqBId)

118 mcsally and sinema would both be good examples when someone has not received enough spankings since graduating college.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 05:13 PM (MTjB1)

119
Posted by: Gritty

Yeah, Al Franken is gonna win all 50 states!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 05:14 PM (kyzbF)

120 FWIW, what I've been hearing from some AZ politicos is that Mormons are really driving a lot of this weird results in AZ with things like Sinema winning.

They really, really hate Trump and try to find ways to get at him. Of course Flake is right in the middle of this. Same with Romney, etc.

AZ has the 2nd highest amount of Mormons behind Utah. Used to be loyal, right wing voters. The LDS has really gone liberal in the last few years, especially on immigration.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 05:14 PM (UfkIY)

121 I'm looking forward to working with Senator McSally, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Susan Collins at December 18, 2018 05:15 PM (hjaPQ)

122 So shitty gritty bang bang is BSG?

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:15 PM (RU4sa)

123 Reading this news makes you realize Penny Marshall had a better day than we did.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 18, 2018 05:15 PM (4ErVI)

124 I wonder what plumb committees the three terrorist sisters will be assigned to?

Posted by: Ben Had at December 18, 2018 05:15 PM (Nv4st)

125 Shame on all the other members of Congress for allowing a palestinian animal into the chamber.

+++++

Congress must abide by the wishes of the electorate. Shame on the voters.

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 18, 2018 05:15 PM (z2W2E)

126 Ben Had!

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:16 PM (RU4sa)

127 120 FWIW, what I've been hearing from some AZ politicos is that Mormons are really driving a lot of this weird results in AZ with things like Sinema winning.

They really, really hate Trump and try to find ways to get at him. Of course Flake is right in the middle of this. Same with Romney, etc.

AZ has the 2nd highest amount of Mormons behind Utah. Used to be loyal, right wing voters. The LDS has really gone liberal in the last few years, especially on immigration.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 05:14 PM (UfkIY)



Don't they excommunicate dykes?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 05:16 PM (ujg0T)

128 >>I thought BSG was under bannage?

A number of the banned continue to make cameo appearances.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 05:16 PM (/tuJf)

129 Makes since that shitty BSG would use the name of the shitty Flyers' mascot

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 05:16 PM (lMVNY)

130 The Debbie downers are going full Eyeore today. See the last thread.

Posted by: Max Power at December 18, 2018 05:16 PM (llxrS)

131
Didn't one of hillary clinton's evil aides applaud McSally on twitter for how McSally conceded and said that's how all Republicans should act?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 05:16 PM (kyzbF)

132 124 I wonder what plumb committees the three terrorist sisters will be assigned to?
Posted by: Ben Had at December 18, 2018 05:15 PM (Nv4st)

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One of them will be the Armed Services Committee.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:17 PM (RU4sa)

133 The Debbie downers are going full Eyeore today. See the last thread.


In fairness, I'm not seeing the upside to Trumps back down, as reported. Maybe it's all bull.

*crosses fingers*

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 05:17 PM (CXeIv)

134
Mormons are cocksuckers, too.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 05:18 PM (kyzbF)

135 "123 Reading this news makes you realize Penny Marshall had a better day than we did.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis"



My favorite role of hers was as Oscar's secretary Myrna in The Odd Couple. She and Murray the Cop were such hilaroous side characters that were used perfectly (not over done). RIP.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 18, 2018 05:18 PM (OD2ni)

136 SMH, big hug, lady.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 18, 2018 05:18 PM (Nv4st)

137
Goddamn cultists.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 05:18 PM (kyzbF)

138 Don't they excommunicate dykes?

In select cases, they are allowed to join communal groups on remote farms or in temple basements...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 18, 2018 05:18 PM (rr4fE)

139 Another result of Gaylord's limp-wristed version of national defense, Japan is going to refit its Izumo class to operate F-35s in response to the PRC's one aircraft carrier.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 05:18 PM (pzswX)

140 Magic Underwear.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 05:19 PM (lMVNY)

141 lol Anna

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:19 PM (RU4sa)

142

Congress must abide by the wishes of the electorate. Shame on the voters.

Who was it that propped her up as somehow being electable? David Axelturd again with his false astroturfed polls or one of his anti-American lackeys?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 18, 2018 05:19 PM (HaL55)

143 108 103 Archer, Marauder, or?

Well duh Davion
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 05:11 PM (pzswX)

Awesome 80.
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 05:12 PM (NgKpN)

Orion, all the way. Or the Hunchback.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:19 PM (xJa6I)

144 Mormons are cocksuckers, too

+++

They don't even make good Jello molds. Useless!

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 18, 2018 05:19 PM (z2W2E)

145 Gonna be an early night for Trump!

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 05:19 PM (/tuJf)

146 They don't even make good Jello molds. Useless!


No carrot shavings?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 05:20 PM (CXeIv)

147 This is how you know Steve Bannon has the president's ear and Steve Bannon isn't going anywhere.
Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at August 15, 2017


Narrator: Steve Bannon left the White House August 18.
Just one of many reasons why you are easy to ignore. Wrong so often you are like a weathervane pointing the opposite direction.

Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 05:21 PM (nID3z)

148 I like Senator McSally. She's just got that "severely conservative" look about her.

Posted by: Milt Rombley at December 18, 2018 05:21 PM (hjaPQ)

149 PDT has been so solid and getting the wall funding that I find it hard to believe that he will cave. Who knows.

Posted by: Cheri at December 18, 2018 05:21 PM (G+Wff)

150 Do modern warships have anti-torpedo hulls and the like?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 05:21 PM (CXeIv)

151 ((SMH))

Gotta catch a drop ship, work beckons...

Cya later

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 05:21 PM (pzswX)

152

Laverne died yesterday and we just found out today.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 05:21 PM (kyzbF)

153 Hey, I'd take a walk on that wild side.
=====================
Getting tired of Michael? (S)He's probable a bit rough in the rack. She could really hold your head in place with those "toned" arms, eh Barry? Uncomfortable, even considering you've long since conquered your gag reflex.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 18, 2018 05:21 PM (ty7RM)

154 I thought BSG was under bannage?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 05:13 PM


He has to have something to do in the basement while his mom is getting banged by the homeless community upstairs.

So when he murmurs something about 'fucking overhead' he's not talking about accounting practices.

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 05:21 PM (jYje5)

155 120

Word. Have you been to SLC recently? English is close to a.minority language.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 05:22 PM (3GR7F)

156 154>>>

Jacking off to his photos of HR McMaster....

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 05:22 PM (lMVNY)

157 127 120 FWIW, what I've been hearing from some AZ politicos is that Mormons are really driving a lot of this weird results in AZ with things like Sinema winning.

They really, really hate Trump and try to find ways to get at him. Of course Flake is right in the middle of this. Same with Romney, etc.

AZ has the 2nd highest amount of Mormons behind Utah. Used to be loyal, right wing voters. The LDS has really gone liberal in the last few years, especially on immigration.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 05:14 PM (UfkIY)


Don't they excommunicate dykes?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 05:16 PM (ujg0T)

It surprises me a little that so many Mormon politicians are such weasels.

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 18, 2018 05:23 PM (aCNZ6)

158 *blub*blub*

Posted by: Cap'n Bill's mighty liner The Weekly Sea Cuck at December 18, 2018 05:23 PM (0QYMt)

159 Wow. Looked up Laverne on the interwebs and she sure let herself go.

Looked like her ex husband Meathead.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 18, 2018 05:23 PM (Z+IKu)

160 Laters Anna. : )

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:23 PM (RU4sa)

161 42 who else was Ducey going to pick ?
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 05:00 PM (BqBId)
*************
Hey BOOThole....the fucking jerk could have picked a winner; me.

Posted by: Cindy McCain at December 18, 2018 05:23 PM (l4NG+)

162 139
Another result of Gaylord's limp-wristed version of national defense, Japan is going to refit its Izumo class to operate F-35s in response to the PRC's one aircraft carrier.


Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR)


It's interesting that the biggest impediment isn't whether they can, it's whether the Japanese people will go along with it. The only reason not to is that flattops may be becoming obsolete, especially for Japan, which is, after all, a series of large, unsinkable aircraft carriers.

China better watch its ass. Nukes are next.

Posted by: pep at December 18, 2018 05:24 PM (T6t7i)

163 I think Arizona has the same problem as Colorado. Too many invading Californicator locusts have moved in. Shit your own nest full, then move on. Repeat.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 18, 2018 05:24 PM (d6PIl)

164 150 Grump928(C)

No. The CVNs use some of the outside void tanks that would serve that purpose for aviation fuel and water.

Everyone else has a hull that is high-test steel about an inch thick.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 18, 2018 05:24 PM (hyuyC)

165

Business Idea: ViewMaster Pron for the Retro Hipsters...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 18, 2018 05:24 PM (rr4fE)

166
Trump would've been better off keeping Bannon around.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 05:25 PM (kyzbF)

167 150 Grump928(C)

We use decoys instead. They may even work. Have never seen them tested.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 18, 2018 05:25 PM (hyuyC)

168 It surprises me a little that so many Mormon politicians are such weasels.
Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 18, 2018 05:23 PM (aCNZ6)
***********
Hey now Mister, I highly represent that remark.

Posted by: Mitt the Bitch at December 18, 2018 05:26 PM (l4NG+)

169 166
Trump would've been better off keeping Bannon around.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 05:25 PM (kyzbF)

Bannon seemed to have loyalty issues.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:26 PM (xJa6I)

170 It's cash and kids on the barrelhead to the Mormons. Bidness is Bidness.

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 18, 2018 05:26 PM (RuIsu)

171 We have had a break in the weather so roofers showed up today. I get a call at work around 10:00 a.m. from my husband. One of the roofers fell through the roof. We had severe rot that we didn't know about. So... another $1100. Thankfully just his foot and leg but now the upstairs attic walk in closet as a nice big hole in it. And he was okay, did not hurt himself thankfully.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:27 PM (dUJdY)

172 CZ 82 for sale for $249 on J&G sales.
If you like 9mm MAK, damn fine pistol.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:27 PM (xJa6I)

173
It surprises me a little that so many Mormon politicians are such weasels

++++

Leadership is strict in Mormon land

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 18, 2018 05:27 PM (z2W2E)

174
It surprises me a little that so many Mormon politicians are such weasels.
Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 18, 2018 05:23 PM (aCNZ6)
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*ahem*

Posted by: Weasel - Special Assistant to bluebell for NoVaMoMe 2019 at December 18, 2018 05:27 PM (MVjcR)

175 I'd like to take a moment to thank McCain's tumor.

You did a man's job of it, sir. Thanks.

Posted by: 13times at December 18, 2018 05:27 PM (K3B2k)

176 No. The CVNs use some of the outside void tanks that would serve that purpose for aviation fuel and water.

Everyone else has a hull that is high-test steel about an inch thick.



The Horde is like having my own research group. Thank you.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 05:27 PM (CXeIv)

177 Conservatives! Assume the position!

Posted by: Col Martha McSally at December 18, 2018 05:27 PM (hjaPQ)

178 Late to the thread. I guess Cindy didn't want the seat.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 05:28 PM (ptqGC)

179 I voted for Jesse Kelly.

Too bad he didn't win.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 18, 2018 05:28 PM (fqUgw)

180 She will have to run for re-election in 2020, and run again in 2022.
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I can't help but note they're not even pretending the she'd be running for re-election in 2022, just running to prevent anyone useful from having a shot at the Dem who will get it in 2020

Posted by: Methos at December 18, 2018 05:29 PM (kOpft)

181 >>>I think Arizona has the same problem as Colorado. Too many invading Californicator locusts have moved in. Shit your own nest full, then move on. Repeat.


I saw a movie with a very similar premise. The day was saved by Randy Quaid with an F-18.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 18, 2018 05:29 PM (HmZuC)

182
Bannon seemed to have loyalty issues.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:26 PM


Last I heard Bannon is over in Italy preparing to take down (lc) pope Francis. I'm not gonna discount the possibility he can do it.

Might just plant an upside down St Francis in the front yard for his good luck.

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 05:29 PM (jYje5)

183 @172
Irks me. I paid $160 for my Makarov and it was brand new. Now they want $250 for used.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 18, 2018 05:29 PM (d6PIl)

184 In Minnesota Michelle Bachmann would win reelection every time in her district, but it was always a tough battle with tens of millions spent on both sides. Bachmann decided to pack it in, and Tom Emmer a former governor candidate, stepped up and wins easily every time.

It could be the same with McSally. She could be just enough to energize the opposition to defeat her, and not worth all of the money and headaches.

Posted by: Gordon at December 18, 2018 05:30 PM (vd69n)

185 AZ has the 2nd highest amount of Mormons behind Utah. Used to be loyal, right wing voters. The LDS has really gone liberal in the last few years, especially on immigration.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 05:14 PM (UfkIY)

I thought Idaho had the 2nd highest percentage of Mormons and Arizona was 3rd or 4th.

Posted by: Surfperch at December 18, 2018 05:30 PM (tp5vm)

186 *waves to Jane*

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:30 PM (RU4sa)

187 You know who this benefits

Posted by: Max Power at December 18, 2018 05:30 PM (llxrS)

188 178 Late to the thread. I guess Cindy didn't want the seat.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 05:28 PM (ptqGC)



Well who knows what would have happened if McSally had actually won Flake's seat.


Though apparently since there were no other possible people available other than McSally to fill the seat we are lucky she lost to the nutjob!

Posted by: buzzion at December 18, 2018 05:30 PM (WaxcS)

189

Please Ma'am, May I Have Another?!

Posted by: No Longer Cock Curious Cuck Cruise Captain Crystol at December 18, 2018 05:30 PM (rr4fE)

190
Miss Delilah's entry to Westminster was accepted.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 18, 2018 05:31 PM (LsBY9)

191 deep state for the win

Posted by: brak at December 18, 2018 05:31 PM (VckGX)

192 Used to be loyal, right wing voters. The LDS has really gone liberal in the last few years, especially on immigration.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 05:14 PM (UfkIY)


Yup. Why go through all the trouble of missionary work when you can flood the country with potential converts? Vanceone was trying to push this line a few months ago.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 05:31 PM (/qEW2)

193
*waves to Jane*

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:30 PM (RU4sa)


*waves back*


Care for a rum ball?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 05:31 PM (ptqGC)

194 Irks me. I paid $160 for my Makarov and it was brand new. Now they want $250 for used.


Conversely, I paid $256 for my 82 six years ago when I had a FFL03. Mine did come with a holster, lanyard and two mags though.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 05:31 PM (CXeIv)

195 Late to the thread. I guess Cindy didn't want the seat.

+++

It was musical chairs and Cindy does a lot of pills

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 18, 2018 05:32 PM (z2W2E)

196 If she runs in 2020 and wins, she won't run again until 2026

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 18, 2018 05:32 PM (bQtop)

197
Another result of Gaylord's limp-wristed version of national defense, Japan is going to refit its Izumo class to operate F-35s in response to the PRC's one aircraft carrier.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 05:18 PM (pzswX)



Plus they're building the new Maya class DDG

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 05:32 PM (TAmPV)

198 Hadrian, How very awesome. Delilah for the Win.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 18, 2018 05:32 PM (Nv4st)

199 Care for a rum ball?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 05:31 PM (ptqGC)

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Oh, would I!

Just shove it thru the port.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:32 PM (RU4sa)

200 This gives her the incumbency lever. She's not perfect, but she's better than most of what AZ has given us recently (hi Flake! hi, uh, wherevs McCain is buried!)

Posted by: JEM at December 18, 2018 05:33 PM (8erNz)

201
All you have to do is watch their debate, it's on youtube.


McSalley comes of as an incensere GOPe platitude machine, while Cinema sounds measured and reasoned, while spouting Donk talking points.


Throw in voter fraud in an election that shouldn't have been close on paper and you have the makings of a McSalley loss.


The Donks are going to find Cinema clone to run against her in 2020 and will probably win.


Book it.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 05:11 PM (qxq6t)


_____


And don't forget that the Green Party candidate received 2% of the vote in the general. Unbelievable.

Posted by: ShainS -- #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 18, 2018 05:33 PM (pRLf4)

202 We have had a break in the weather so roofers showed up today. I get a call at work around 10:00 a.m. from my husband. One of the roofers fell through the roof. We had severe rot that we didn't know about. So... another $1100. Thankfully just his foot and leg but now the upstairs attic walk in closet as a nice big hole in it. And he was okay, did not hurt himself thankfully.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:27 PM (dUJdY)

DAYUM, Jewells...the last thing I want to hear when I'm having my roof replaced is "one of the roofers fell through the roof"! At least he didn't get hurt, but...wow!

Posted by: antisocialist at December 18, 2018 05:33 PM (2shuf)

203 Care for a rum ball?



Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 05:31 PM (ptqGC)



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Oh, would I!



Just shove it thru the port.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:32 PM (RU4sa)


I make 'em strong, too. *commences ramming rum balls thru port*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 05:33 PM (ptqGC)

204 Bannon seemed to have loyalty issues.
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I think the IC/Deep State had something on Bannon. He doesn't look like a guy with unlimited resources to fight "The Process."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 18, 2018 05:33 PM (ty7RM)

205 Hadrian, that is sooo awesome!!!

Posted by: antisocialist at December 18, 2018 05:34 PM (2shuf)

206 174
It surprises me a little that so many Mormon politicians are such weasels.
Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 18, 2018 05:23 PM (aCNZ6)
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*ahem*
Posted by: Weasel - Special Assistant to bluebell for NoVaMoMe 2019 at December 18, 2018 05:27 PM (MVjcR)

Yes, I must apologize. The weasel is an honorable moron. I must think of another beast. Would skunks work? Civets? Komodo dragons?

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 18, 2018 05:34 PM (aCNZ6)

207 I was listening to The Five on the way home, and literally wanted to strangle Juan.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 05:34 PM (ptqGC)

208 I thought the game plan was to get rid of the R-cucks and replace them with conservatives.

Now in AZ, the R-cucks have been replaced by an R-cuck and a Democrat. Brilliant.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 05:35 PM (/qEW2)

209 This gives her the incumbency lever. She's not perfect, but she's better than most of what AZ has given us recently (hi Flake! hi, uh, wherevs McCain is buried!)
Posted by: JEM at December 18, 2018 05:33 PM (8erNz)

McSally has a lower ACU rating than Flake or McCain, IIRC.

Posted by: Surfperch at December 18, 2018 05:35 PM (tp5vm)

210 Imma making char siu manapua, fried noodles, and steamed broccoli.

Rum balls should go nicely.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:35 PM (RU4sa)

211 200 This gives her the incumbency lever. She's not perfect, but she's better than most of what AZ has given us recently (hi Flake! hi, uh, wherevs McCain is buried!)

Posted by: JEM at December 18, 2018 05:33 PM (8erNz)

_____


I don't think McCain has been buried yet -- his funeral procession is presently touring Afghanistan I believe.

Posted by: ShainS -- #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 18, 2018 05:35 PM (RoSgI)

212 Posted by: antisocialist at December 18, 2018 05:33 PM (2shuf)

lol..I know right? Already was $10,000 in debt for this fucker now another $1100. Geez...

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:35 PM (dUJdY)

213 Hadrian the Seventh

Great. Hope you win.

And I want to thank you for the Norwegian composer Johan Svendsen. Listened to all four of his rhapsodies. Very nice.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 18, 2018 05:36 PM (hyuyC)

214 Care for a rum ball?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 05:31 PM

Yes, hold the ball though.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 18, 2018 05:36 PM (nAeGR)

215 Yes, I must apologize. The weasel is an honorable moron. I must think of another beast. Would skunks work? Civets? Komodo dragons?
Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 18, 2018 05:34 PM (aCNZ6)

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Cockroach.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:36 PM (RU4sa)

216 >>>Japan is going to refit its Izumo class to operate F-35s in response to the PRC's one aircraft carrier.


In fairness, I think that was always the plan with those ships. They called them 'destroyers' for domestic and foreign political considerations. But they're carriers in all but name.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 18, 2018 05:36 PM (HmZuC)

217 I thought the game plan was to get rid of the R-cucks and replace them with conservatives.

Now in AZ, the R-cucks have been replaced by an R-cuck and a Democrat. Brilliant.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 05:35 PM (/qEW2)

This plan worked out in Tennessee, where Corker was successfully replaced by Blackburn, but Arizona always manages to disappoint.

Posted by: Surfperch at December 18, 2018 05:37 PM (tp5vm)

218
I find it a little incredulous that people who spend their working lives on roofs aren't just a little careful about walking across them when it 's been more then two decades since they were last replaced.

Seems like the sorta scam that our 'south of the border' friends would engage in.

I think I'd go back through references and make a few calls.

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 05:37 PM (jYje5)

219 char siu manapua

Oo, Oo Mr. Kotter! Wanna talk recipes? You show me yours I'll show you mine...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 18, 2018 05:37 PM (rr4fE)

220 I was listening to The Five on the way home, and literally wanted to strangle Juan.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 05:34 PM (ptqGC)

Ugh. Can't listen to Juan Williams anymore. The man's a total jackass. When The Five comes on, I turn the channel to Perry Mason.

Posted by: antisocialist at December 18, 2018 05:38 PM (2shuf)

221 Now you can do you LDS missionary work right here in the good ole USA!

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 18, 2018 05:38 PM (RuIsu)

222 Juan s back needs to be checked for moisture.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 18, 2018 05:38 PM (d6PIl)

223 "Care for a rum ball?

Posted by: Jane D'oh"


You know it. Hic.

Posted by: Hillary at December 18, 2018 05:38 PM (OD2ni)

224
Yes, I must apologize. The weasel is an honorable moron. I must think of another beast. Would skunks work? Civets? Komodo dragons?
Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 18, 2018 05:34 PM (aCNZ6)
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*fistbump*

Ferrets?

Posted by: Weasel - Special Assistant to bluebell for NoVaMoMe 2019 at December 18, 2018 05:39 PM (MVjcR)

225 lol In Vito Veritits

There's a butcher here in town with amazing pork belly that's perfect.

Plus, I found a recipe for perfect manapua, just like how it's made in Hawai'i.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:39 PM (RU4sa)

226 I think I'd go back through references and make a few calls.

The roof was only 13 years old. Previous owner was a fucking idiot and problem occurred when he finished the attic.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:39 PM (dUJdY)

227 I did some roofing in Texas after the Army, we would take a break from 2-5 and hydrate and eat. The heat would come through tennis shoes, had to wear boots

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 18, 2018 05:40 PM (bQtop)

228 >>>DAYUM, Jewells...the last thing I want to hear when I'm having my roof replaced is "one of the roofers fell through the roof"! At least he didn't get hurt, but...wow!


Meh, plenty more where that came from. In fact, at this very moment, dozens of roofers are strolling into Texas.

Posted by: Local Roofing Contractor at December 18, 2018 05:40 PM (HmZuC)

229 Never wear dangling earrings while holding a kitteh.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:41 PM (RU4sa)

230 Well, if she sucks we won't have to come up with a new nickname for a bad GOPe senator from Arizona. McShitty or McLame will still be good to go.

Posted by: Darth Randall at December 18, 2018 05:42 PM (S1vlo)

231 Weasel.. sent your package. I'm so embarrassed. I don't know your real name. I had to put Weasel on the name and address.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:42 PM (dUJdY)

232 Don't they excommunicate dykes?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 05:16 PM (ujg0T)

It surprises me a little that so many Mormon politicians are such weasels.
Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 18, 2018 05:23 PM (aCNZ6)


Exactly. One thinks of Mormons as pious, so it's hard to understand creatures like Reid, Romney or Flake. You'd think they'd have more integrity than average. RCCs have a broader range of views, so people like Pelosi are no surprise.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 05:42 PM (/qEW2)

233 183 @172
Irks me. I paid $160 for my Makarov and it was brand new. Now they want $250 for used.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 18, 2018 05:29 PM (d6PIl)

Hurm. I paid more than that for my Makarov.

Good shooter, though. Crazy accurate. If folks want a single stack, and they can deal with Israeli carry, I recommend them.

SO much better than that weak, crud Tokarev round...

*puts down Palpy bait and waits*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:42 PM (xJa6I)

234 Never wear dangling earrings while holding a kitteh.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:41 PM (RU4sa)

Like glasses to babies.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 05:42 PM (0QYMt)

235 231 Weasel.. sent your package. I'm so embarrassed. I don't know your real name. I had to put Weasel on the name and address.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:42 PM (dUJdY)

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LOL!

This is the cutest thing I've read all day.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:43 PM (RU4sa)

236 The roof was only 13 years old. Previous owner was a fucking idiot and problem occurred when he finished the attic.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:39 PM (dUJdY)

After Hurricane Florence, we had to put a new roof on my daughter's house. The last time it was done was when my husband's ex-wife lived there almost 20 years ago. Roofer said we were lucky to get by for so many years, the old roof looked like it had been put on by a gang of third graders.

Posted by: antisocialist at December 18, 2018 05:43 PM (2shuf)

237
I think I'd go back through references and make a few calls.



The roof was only 13 years old. Previous owner was a fucking idiot and problem occurred when he finished the attic.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:39 PM (dUJdY)

Prolly took a misstep while dancing to the salsa music blaring from the radio. Threaten to report them to ICE.

Posted by: Archer at December 18, 2018 05:43 PM (gmo/4)

238 231 Weasel.. sent your package. I'm so embarrassed. I don't know your real name. I had to put Weasel on the name and address.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:42 PM (dUJdY)
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Thanks! It really is Weasel. What - you guys aren't using your real names??

Posted by: Weasel - Special Assistant to bluebell for NoVaMoMe 2019 at December 18, 2018 05:43 PM (MVjcR)

239 Weasel.. sent your package. I'm so embarrassed. I don't know your real name. I had to put Weasel on the name and address.

First name - Papagoz ...

Posted by: Adriane the But I Like Maps Better than GPS Critic ... at December 18, 2018 05:43 PM (LPnfS)

240 Every time a RINO takes office, an angel gets its dildo.

Posted by: George Bailey at December 18, 2018 05:43 PM (hjaPQ)

241

Oh, pork belly is good, especially if it's not tooooooo fatty. I like shoulder and especially pork collar/neck if I can get it.

I like Manapuna buns even more than most Bao, which are more dense and chewy I think. Or maybe I just suck making them...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 18, 2018 05:43 PM (rr4fE)

242 Never put a kitten in your lap unless you have your pants on

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 18, 2018 05:44 PM (bQtop)

243 229 Never wear dangling earrings while holding a kitteh.

pretty sure this was the plot to an episode of columbo

Posted by: Anachronda at December 18, 2018 05:44 PM (NmR1a)

244 Ben knows a McCain will run for that seat in 2020.

Posted by: Meggy Mac at December 18, 2018 05:44 PM (EATOD)

245 The roof was only 13 years old. Previous owner was a fucking idiot and problem occurred when he finished the attic.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:39 PM


Rot will kill plywood in a matter of years. But professionals tread carefully across the roof on the initial pass. They know the danger.

Every roofing crew I've seen in the past five years is 100% south of the border. One hundred and twenty pound guys. Not likely to tear through both the shingles, the roofing felt, rotted plywood, fiberglass insulation, then through a plaster/drywall ceiling.

So I'm gonna sprinkle a little bit of skepticism on the story. Act accordingly, or ignore. I'm okay with either.

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 05:45 PM (jYje5)

246 I like Manapuna buns even more than most Bao, which are more dense and chewy I think. Or maybe I just suck making them...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 18, 2018 05:43 PM (rr4fE)

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It is so cool that there's another manapua aficionado here.

I love the Horde.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 05:45 PM (RU4sa)

247 Henceforth I will refer to disreputable Mormon politicians as ferrets.

So my question is. Why are so many Mormon politicians ferrets?

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 18, 2018 05:45 PM (aCNZ6)

248 Thanks! It really is Weasel. What - you guys aren't using your real names??

lmao!!

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:45 PM (dUJdY)

249
221 Now you can do you LDS missionary work right here in the good ole USA!

always could. >20 years ago, little brother served a mission in san jose. had to learn vietnamese.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 18, 2018 05:47 PM (xGZ+b)

250 The crew is 5 guys, 3 hispanic and 2 white.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:47 PM (dUJdY)

251 Ben knows a McCain will run for that seat in 2020.

Posted by: Meggy Mac at December 18, 2018 05:44 PM (EATOD)


*FLAMETHROWS THREAD*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 05:47 PM (ptqGC)

252 The crew is 5 guys, 3 hispanic and 2 white.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:47 PM


Which one 'went through' the roof?

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 05:48 PM (jYje5)

253 Meggy may try for the seat but she ain't runnin anywhere.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 18, 2018 05:48 PM (Nv4st)

254 If Meggy ran, she would need a Kevlar support bra, with very solid straps and closures.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 18, 2018 05:49 PM (hyuyC)

255 238 231 Weasel.. sent your package. I'm so embarrassed. I don't know your real name. I had to put Weasel on the name and address.
Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:42 PM (dUJdY)
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Thanks! It really is Weasel. What - you guys aren't using your real names??
Posted by: Weasel - Special Assistant to bluebell for NoVaMoMe 2019 at December 18, 2018 05:43 PM (MVjcR)

Most people are smarter than me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:49 PM (xJa6I)

256 The guy who fell through the roof wasn't hurt because his nuts stopped him on a rafter!

Posted by: Weasel - Special Assistant to bluebell for NoVaMoMe 2019 at December 18, 2018 05:49 PM (MVjcR)

257 Which one 'went through' the roof?

lol.. we don't know. Hubby went to get a haircut and found out when he got home.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:49 PM (dUJdY)

258 Ferrets?

Posted by: Weasel - Special Assistant to bluebell for NoVaMoMe 2019 at December 18, 2018 05:39 PM (MVjcR)


Just another word for weasels.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 18, 2018 05:50 PM (Z4rgH)

259 Meggy may try for the seat but she ain't runnin anywhere.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 18, 2018 05:48 PM (Nv4st)


She'll shuffle.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 05:50 PM (ptqGC)

260 *stares at packages to be wrapped*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 05:50 PM (ptqGC)

261 Whenever a contractor comes to you and says.."come here I want to show you something" it is NEVER good news.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:51 PM (dUJdY)

262 Congrats Hadrian!

Posted by: lin-duh at December 18, 2018 05:51 PM (kufk0)

263 nood rich guy

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 05:51 PM (xJa6I)

264 *stares at packages to be wrapped*

Same here Jane. I am only half done and no energy to finish it. Maybe Sunday.

Posted by: Jewells45 at December 18, 2018 05:51 PM (dUJdY)

265 If Dr Ho's back belt came with and order of fried rice and an egg roll, I might try one

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 18, 2018 05:52 PM (bQtop)

266 Weasels are a member of the Mustelidae family, which includes weasels, badgers, otters, martens, mink, and wolverines, and others.

They are typically small animals with short legs, short, round ears, and thick fur. Most mustelids are solitary, nocturnal animals, and are active year-round. Other than the sea otter, they have anal scent glands that produce a strong-smelling secretion the animals use for sexual signaling and for marking their territory.

IOW, Mustelidae are exemplars of The Moron Lifestyle(tm).

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 18, 2018 05:54 PM (ctuyM)

267 The guy who fell through the roof wasn't hurt because his nuts stopped him on a rafter!

Posted by: Weasel - Special Assistant to bluebell for NoVaMoMe 2019 at December 18, 2018 05:49 PM


Hah. Considering the distance between joist it's gotta be someone really, really skinny. But then if he's that skinny he doesn't weigh that much. Certainly not enough to go through all those layers.

I'm wondering if this is the new scam to pick up an extra 10% on a job. Have Jesús take the dive for an extra twenty bucks.

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 05:56 PM (jYje5)

268 So Kelly Ward who lost to Loser McSally would be better!? Yeah OK THen
Posted by: Max BOOThole


McCain spent a lot of money to make her unelectable while stealing her 'Build the Wall' campaign ... at least until after he won.

imao

Posted by: Adriane the But I Like Maps Better than GPS Critic ... at December 18, 2018 05:58 PM (LPnfS)

White House Suggests There's a Lot of Wiggle Room in $5 Billion Demand for Wall

Blink.

Eh, what a cuck.

This isn't all on Trump, obviously. The Establishment Party in Power still hasn't gotten it through its head that we are tired of their barely-disguised open borders policy and we're not going to accept their bullshit about "virtual fences" any longer.


"We have other ways that we can get to that $5 billion that we'll work with Congress," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told Fox News on Tuesday morning. She added that the Trump administration could support $1.6 billion in border security funding proposed by Senate Democrats, as long as it can "couple that with other funding resources" to get to $5 billion.

She added that "at the end of the day, we don't want to shut down the government. We want to shut down the border." Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi have cast the potential lapse in funding as the "Trump shutdown." When Pelosi goaded Trump into an Oval Office fracas last week, the characterization appeared to irritate the president.

I don't know what alternate funding sources she means. I've heard claims that Trump could direct the military to use its funds for the wall, but that sounds completely wrong.

Still, Trump himself has not weighed in Tuesday on how much money he would accept. As always, a comment or tweet from the president could trample on the message administration officials try to send.

In proposing $1.6 billion in border security funding, Schumer has said it would go to building new or repairing existing fences, rather than the wall as Trump has proposed it. The White House appears to want to claim that funding as "wall" money to promote a victory.

But maybe this is the alternate source of funding they mean: Some guy calculated that if each of Trump's 63 million voters donated $80 each, they'd have the five billion needed for the wall.

But then, that's not the full wall; that would be the $5 billion sought this year for it.

Still -- it's something.

I'd buy that for eighty dollars.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:44 PM




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1 hooray

Posted by: CHamber of COmmerce at December 18, 2018 03:42 PM (VckGX)

2 hho says the parties can't work together? open borders forever

Posted by: brak at December 18, 2018 03:42 PM (VckGX)

3 Not a fucking centimeter of wall will be built. This is failure theater on steroid.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 03:43 PM (GvMX3)

4 Things I have learned here:

1) Wait before going on a rampage because what is reported isn't what was said.
2) The Art of the Deal is a continuous process.
3) Seriously - wait a bit and find out what actually is going on because our press is matched in its maliciousness only by its stupidity.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (hLRSq)

5 How does Trump, or anyone else with any honor, resist the temptation to punch Smarmy Schumer right in his sneering face?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:45 PM (ujg0T)

6 Figures.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:45 PM (GBteo)

7 There's already a website for it:


https://www.fundthewall.com/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 18, 2018 03:46 PM (AllCR)

8 illegal immigrants

all they bring is head lice and woe

#nevergiveuponchristmas #itsawalloflove

Posted by: happyfeet at December 18, 2018 03:46 PM (mLfQi)

9 I don't blame Trump fully. But come on man, you're falling for the msm spin that a shutdown is the end of the world when in fact it is barely noticable.

Very disappointed with this cave.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 03:46 PM (GvMX3)

10 So, the price is going down?
That's unusual. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2018 03:46 PM (W+vEI)

11 Meh. I'll wait and see what Trump's counter offer is.

He handled the Norks and The Chi-Coms fine.

I do want my wall, our wall, though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 03:46 PM (xJa6I)

12 I'm past caring. If you fuckers were not so funny I would have quit reading a long time ago.

Posted by: nip at December 18, 2018 03:46 PM (DfGpI)

13 This is on Trump. He backed himself into a corner with the shutdown threats that he had zero leverage to deliver on or win. Hell, the Congressional Republicans who lost/retired won't even be in town to vote nor do they have any reason to.

And spare me with the 4D Chess BS. Anyone trying to say "he'll just do it X way now" ignore that he's wasted two years by not doing it X way already.

His presidency is effectively over without a meaningful wall. The half-assed partial fence they're currently building is not what won him the election.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (CQ3Qb)

14 Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:45 PM (ujg0T)

Trump's from New York, he's built up a resistance.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (hLRSq)

15 Why do I have the feeling that the wall will not get built anytime soon?

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (RU4sa)

16 4 Things I have learned here:

1) Wait before going on a rampage because what is reported isn't what was said.
2) The Art of the Deal is a continuous process.
3) Seriously - wait a bit and find out what actually is going on because our press is matched in its maliciousness only by its stupidity.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (hLRSq)



This is true. Between false stories like Russian Collusion--which the alphabet leftist newsies still parrot--and stories intended to demoralize us, we need to learn the story of the Zen Master: "We will see...."

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (ujg0T)

17 Things I have learned here:

1) Wait before going on a rampage because what is reported isn't what was said.
2) The Art of the Deal is a continuous process.
3) Seriously - wait a bit and find out what actually is going on because our press is matched in its maliciousness only by its stupidity.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (hLRSq)

I'm slow to learn, but yes.
+1 what Mikey says

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (xJa6I)

18 Bob Corker is going to run for president and win.

That'll teach us.


/s

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (ptqGC)

19 Here's the thing -- I could move on from the wall idea, if we actually were serious about internal immigration enforcement.

As long as the internal enforcement is nearly non-existent, there will be a very powerful incentive to come here illegally.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (GBteo)

20 What ever happened to the idea of taxing remittances back to Mexico 5-10% to pay for it??

Posted by: Big swingin Al at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (U45Mp)

21 Would it really cost that much if the government wasn't involved?

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (7HtZB)

22 >>Things I have learned here:

1) Wait before going on a rampage because what is reported isn't what was said.
2) The Art of the Deal is a continuous process.
3) Seriously - wait a bit and find out what actually is going on because our press is matched in its maliciousness only by its stupidity.
- - - -


You are so right.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2018 03:48 PM (W+vEI)

23
This is Trump's fault for signing the last CR.

Trump got rolled by the Republican House cucks.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:48 PM (kyzbF)

24 20 What ever happened to the idea of taxing remittances back to Mexico 5-10% to pay for it??
Posted by: Big swingin Al at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (U45Mp)

No Can Do, Haole.

Posted by: Hawaiian Judge at December 18, 2018 03:48 PM (UnA8+)

25 Meh. I'll wait and see what Trump's counter offer is.

He handled the Norks and The Chi-Coms fine.


^^^^^^^^
This.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:48 PM (xzezz)

26 I kicked in my $80! We got this!

Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 03:48 PM (nID3z)

27 Hell, I'd be happy if we were allowed to know which of our Betters paid off women with OUR tax money.

As a start.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (ptqGC)

28 Bob Corker is going to run for president and win.

That'll teach us.

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He should stay on the Price is Right.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (8XRCm)

29 Sad!

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (wGbBR)

30 This is ludicrous, 5 billion dollars is a fucking low order rounding error in the behemoth, leviathan like budget.


This is a fail on Trumps part to drive home the utility and necessity of the wall.


and....



The GOP is a useless pile of dog shit.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (qxq6t)

31
Is this a blink or is this like last January's meeting with Feinstein where we all were in freak out mode over gun control, or something?

Could be. It's Trump after all.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (/9p9e)

32 Fellas.

Let's NOT stop sucking eachother's dicks yet!

Posted by: Shep Smith at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (444To)

33 Meanwhile, we are giving $10 billion in aid to Central and South America.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (x6zMD)

34 I will wait and see what Trump does. The wall was a major promise.

Posted by: Archer at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (BOhSZ)

35 Rush was talking about this on my way home

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (/rm4P)

36 His presidency is effectively over without a meaningful wall. The half-assed partial fence they're currently building is not what won him the election.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (CQ3Qb)
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I'm not so dour but I guarantee one thing. The Dem's will campaign on Trump's failure to build the wall.

That takes chutzpah.

Posted by: WisRich at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (G0vdT)

37
Republicans told President Trump to wait until after the midterms for the Wall because they told him the issue would hurt them in their campaigns.

Then the Republicans screwed him.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (kyzbF)

38 >>Would it really cost that much if the government wasn't involved?



Given Trump's career in building large things, I'm guessing he has a better idea how much it would cost if done privately, and not only would it be cheaper, but it would be faster.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (W+vEI)

39 we've seized more than enough from the drug cartels to pay for a wall, if they really wanted to

Posted by: brak at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (VckGX)

40 Got a better idea. According to reports Mexicans in this country sent $26 billion in remittances back to Mexico last year.Slapping a 5% tax on those would provide ~$1.3 billion a year. After all, you don't need all $5 billion at once. $1.3 billion per year over the next 5 years should get the job done.

Posted by: William at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (hbDGM)

41 I've accepted at this point that nobody is serious about stopping the Evilcrats.

Unfortunately, that doesn't make me any more excited or ready for when killin' time a-comes.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (UnA8+)

42 Trump is pushing the Dems hard on getting some go ahead on the Wall, even a partial Wall, to strengthen his legal case when he uses the Military to build it under national security powers.


"They agreed, but then cut me off, so I had to fund the rest with the Military. But the Dems did agree, see Judge (s)?"

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (UsCnO)

43 Remain calm and Trump on. Rush said this was NOT what he heard yesterday and he was there with them all. Trump's no cuck.

Posted by: Peaches at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (14URa)

44 13 This is on Trump. He backed himself into a corner with the shutdown threats that he had zero leverage to deliver on or win. Hell, the Congressional Republicans who lost/retired won't even be in town to vote nor do they have any reason to.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (CQ3Qb)



Then it is not on Trump. It is on those GOPee creeps.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (ujg0T)

45 42
"They agreed, but then cut me off, so I had to fund the rest with the Military. But the Dems did agree, see Judge (s)?"

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (UsCnO)


"NO."

- - Judge Buch M. Danno

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (/9p9e)

46 What counter offer? This is Trump's offer.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 03:51 PM (GvMX3)

47 >> According to reports Mexicans in this country sent $26 billion in remittances back to Mexico last year.Slapping a 5% tax on those would provide ~$1.3 billion a year.


5% if they can show that money comes AFTER Taxes.

95% if they can't.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:51 PM (444To)

48
I don't know what alternate funding sources she means. I've heard claims that Trump could direct the military to use its funds for the wall, but that sounds completely wrong.



The incoming chairman of the Joint Cheifs of Staff said he could it.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 03:51 PM (TAmPV)

49
Posted by: Gritty

You're pissing me off.

You think you're cute, eh?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:51 PM (kyzbF)

50 A Levin caller a couple weeks back suggested Wall Bonds.

Posted by: f2000 at December 18, 2018 03:51 PM (gj+4U)

51 The people are not the stake-holders of the American government any more. Some of us are beneficiaries, some of us are enemies.

The people who hold the power in America have let their willfulness decide their strength of their grip on the centers of power. They now make willful decisions in the name of "Justice" and "Rule of Law".

And who tempts people to willful disregard of their fellow citizens?

Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 03:51 PM (vDqXW)

52 30 This is ludicrous, 5 billion dollars is a fucking low order rounding error in the behemoth, leviathan like budget.

This is a fail on Trumps part to drive home the utility and necessity of the wall.

and....

The GOP is a useless pile of dog shit.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (qxq6t)


I read yesterday that the NYC subway needs $20+ billion for repairs and they'll get it in the NY state legislature.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 03:51 PM (CQ3Qb)

53 It has nothing to do with funding. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

The GOP wants open borders just as much as the DNC. Thats all there is to it.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 03:51 PM (axaxF)

54 I'm not falling for it. There has usually been a big difference between what the press tells us that The Donald says and what he later does.

Posted by: t-bird at December 18, 2018 03:52 PM (lK7fO)

55 50 A Levin caller a couple weeks back suggested Wall Bonds.
Posted by: f2000 at December 18, 2018 03:51 PM (gj+4U)


"We don't need no, Department of Education..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 03:52 PM (/9p9e)

56 And in other news, have written almost 1,200 words of new story since last night.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 03:52 PM (pzswX)

57 Time to make the gnocchi.

Posted by: DaveA at December 18, 2018 03:52 PM (FhXTo)

58 >>I don't know what alternate funding sources she means. I've heard claims that Trump could direct the military to use its funds for the wall, but that sounds completely wrong


It is a Security Issue and as such can be paid for with the Military Budget.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:52 PM (444To)

59 Ace, there many ways to interpret this. One, Trump does this to spike the drama and evoke an outcry from his supporters, thus setting up a loyalty circle when he agrees with them. Two, he is actually setting up Nanzi and Chuckie to start dealing and discussing a deal which upsets their base. Three, he is fucking with Nanzi's head while she is trying to become the next speaker. Four, he wants to highlight that Nanzi, Chuckie and all Dems are against Border Security that works. Five, and most likely, he is trying to figure out if he is facing a Banana War with the Dems or War War. If its War War he will take the offense.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:52 PM (2LelM)

60 http://bit.ly/2A6TeRR
*****

Comey-Interview-Part-Two.pdf

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 03:52 PM (BqBId)

61 The Voice of Reason is the proprietor of the Outrage Outlet?

*checks for flying pigs*

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 03:53 PM (IlV2p)

62
39 we've seized more than enough from the drug cartels to pay for a wall, if they really wanted to
Posted by: brak at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (VckGX)


Oh, no, we dinint! Remember, El Jefe Sessions loved letting local law enforcement plunder that stockpile of cash and saleable goods in order to stock up on military grade weaponry.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 18, 2018 03:53 PM (MLfDH)

63 From the sidebar:

David Lee Roth era > Van Hagar

Rock needs swagger. Whatever his flaws, DLR had swagger.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 03:53 PM (xJa6I)

64 28 Bob Corker is going to run for president and win.
That'll teach us.
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He should stay on the Price is Right.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (8XRCm)



You know, Drew Carey IS a much better host. Usually the replacement host is not as good as the original--Steve Harvey tries, be he is no Richard Dawson--but on The Price Is Right, it works.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:53 PM (ujg0T)

65 We had a two year window to actually slow down immigration, and the GOPe was too stupid to do it. Look at the results from this year's election: Florida is on the edge of going blue, Arizona went blue, Colorado is gone, Virginia is gone. Wisconsin and Michigan went back to supporting Dems. It's another 40 - 60 years in the desert, and I'm guessing it's a permanent decline for the country. Think Britain after WWII -- they dumped Churchill and went into a slow, permanent decline.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at December 18, 2018 03:53 PM (5KWnQ)

66 43

With all due respect Rush is full of shit. I learned this in 2009 and 2010 when he said repeatedly his 'sources' said Dems didn't have the votes for Ocare.

That was the last time I took him seriously.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 03:53 PM (GvMX3)

67 Trump's bravado during the meeting with Nazi and Schithead sounded like bullshit to me. Seems I was right.

And it doesn't make sense to blame Democrats. There won't be a wall because Congress--both parties--refuse to support a wall.

Personally, I'm fucking sick of hearing about it. There will not be a wall. Fine then, fuckers. Get on with other business.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 18, 2018 03:53 PM (hjaPQ)

68

I'm still trying to figure why Rodentstein is still running the DOJ after the midterms.

Yes, Rosenstein is still running the DOJ. Rosensteing is Whitaker's boss. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (kyzbF)

69 >>"We don't need no, Department of Education..."

Yup. And Rick Perry can think of a few others that are superfluous.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (W+vEI)

70 Put windmills every 500 yards along the crest of the wall, and sell it as an alternative-energy project.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (fDU8w)

71 Then it is not on Trump. It is on those GOPee creeps.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (ujg0T)

Any moron could see that threatening a shutdown that could only end with 100% surrender was foolish. Trump did that, not the GOPe.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (CQ3Qb)

72 64 You know, Drew Carey IS a much better host. Usually the replacement host is not as good as the original--Steve Harvey tries, be he is no Richard Dawson--but on The Price Is Right, it works.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:53 PM (ujg0T)


Steve Harvey isn't allowed to be blackout drunk on Camera.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (UnA8+)

73 David Lee Roth era > Van Hagar

Rock needs swagger. Whatever his flaws, DLR had swagger.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 03:53 PM (xJa6I)

----

This.

Diver Down was VH at its best.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (8XRCm)

74 Why would I pay more money for a wall? I already pay enough in taxes.

To be honest, as much as I hate the way our borders are dealt with I am highly unlikely to be directly impacted. There just aren't that many illegals running around in my hood.

If those who have to live with this shit, and in California I mean that literally, won't support using tax dollars to protect their homes and they want to live with the gangs, the drugs, the disease and poverty that it brings to their neighborhoods then have at it.

But I'm not setting up a second tax system to pay for stuff the government already gets plenty of my money for.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (/tuJf)

75 33 Absolutely sure we give that away to our enemies regularly.

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (/rm4P)

76 We used to have 1.5 Bn in small denominations just laying around somewhere...

Posted by: TexasDan at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (yL25O)

77 >>David Lee Roth era > Van Hagar


It isn't even a sensible question. David Lee Roth was Van Halen.

Hagar was great in Montrose. He has sucked donkey balls ever since.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (444To)

78 Meh, I always assumed that there was wiggle room, and I'd be disappointed if there wasn't any. You always go high to start your negotiation.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (wCmLp)

79 I mean, rock and roll is music for fighting, fucking and dancing to.

Seriously 'It's got what it takes, so tell me why can't this be love'???

Beta. Pure beta begging.

Robin Thicke's 'Blurred Lines' is more rock and roll than Van Haggar.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (xJa6I)

80 which of our Betters paid off women with OUR tax money.

As a start.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (ptqGC)

You're assuming it was women. I'd wager young boys were paid off.

Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (/1szn)

81 Meh. Like the Democrats (or many Republicans) were going to cave on funding the wall anyway.

Go through the military to get the wall.

Posted by: Mike at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (c056A)

82 I've heard claims that Trump could direct the military to use its funds for the wall, but that sounds completely wrong.
***

Of course he can.


In WWII its not like FDR called up Congress every time the army/marines built defensive works.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (cRkMZ)

83 Trump has $3.4 billion worth of sealed classified documents that he could "sell" to the highest bidder.

Posted by: Roy at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (9rXxD)

84 Why is Schumer part of this negotiation anyways? We kept the Senate last I checked so as far as I'm concerned he can GFH.

Posted by: Dark Helmet at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (PafRH)

85 I hate Van Hagar, early Van Halen is the best.

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (/rm4P)

86
Yeah but you're all missing the point:


Van Halen sucked.

They sucked a little less with Roth.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (kyzbF)

87
With all due respect Rush is full of shit. I learned this in 2009 and 2010 when he said repeatedly his 'sources' said Dems didn't have the votes for Ocare.

That was the last time I took him seriously.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 03:53 PM (GvMX3)
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They didn't have the votes for the final process. Which is why they had to do Deem-as-passed and the Senate Reconciliation rules--and couldn't touch it after that.

Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (vDqXW)

88 David Lee Roth era > Van Hagar



Rock needs swagger. Whatever his flaws, DLR had swagger.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 03:53 PM (xJa6I)
I was fortunate enough to go to a Van Halen dress rehearsal years ago. Very few people, big venue. I was standing right at the stage and DLR's sweat splashed on me. Also saw that Hager dude at some biker rally and he sucked.

Posted by: Peaches at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (14URa)

89 >>Van Halen sucked.


They were no Warrant, that's for sure.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (444To)

90 The incoming chairman of the Joint Cheifs of Staff said he could it.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 03:51 PM (TAmPV)

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Is the wall for national defense?

I say yes.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (RU4sa)

91 77 >>David Lee Roth era > Van Hagar


It isn't even a sensible question. David Lee Roth was Van Halen.

Hagar was great in Montrose. He has sucked donkey balls ever since.
Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (444To)

Agreed.

I do like "I Can't Drive 55", but somehow the same band that was all about sex became all about love. And weak, thin love at that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (xJa6I)

92
I cannot switch radio stations fast enough when I hear Van Halen.

Led Zeppelin on the other hand...

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (kyzbF)

93 There just aren't that many illegals running around in my hood.


Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (/tuJf)
Oh yeah? Next time you're walking through Walmart notice how nobody else is speaking English.

Posted by: Gonads and Strife at December 18, 2018 03:57 PM (smXDp)

94 I think President Trump should "suggest" to the Army Corp of Engineers they should test out new ideas for building green zones by building a wall on the border.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 03:57 PM (IlV2p)

95 This isn't dome unsourced msm rumor. This was sanders herself saying it. Doesn't get more authentic. And no Trump isn't playing 4d chess and no the military isn't building the wall. If it were that easy he would have ordered the military to start building on Jan 20, 2017 and it would be complete by now.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 03:57 PM (GvMX3)

96 HESCO barriers with claymores.

Cheap and effective.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:57 PM (RU4sa)

97
89 >>Van Halen sucked.

They were no Warrant, that's for sure.


are you trying to say their success was unwarranted?

Posted by: Anachronda at December 18, 2018 03:57 PM (NmR1a)

98 It is a Security Issue and as such can be paid for with the Military Budget.
Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:52 PM (444To)

Well then why hasn't it already? Like say back in January 2017?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 03:57 PM (CQ3Qb)

99 Given Trump's career in building large things, I'm guessing he has a better idea how much it would cost if done privately, and not only would it be cheaper, but it would be faster.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (W+vEI)

I think the big cost here is eminent domaining the land necessary to build a wall.

Right now I think a lot of it is still privately held.

Actually putting up a wall shouldn't be very expensive.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:57 PM (GBteo)

100 All alone or in twos, the ones that really love us
Walk up and down outside the Wall.
Some come hand in hand
Others gather together in caravans
The barefoot children and the marginalized take their stand.

And when they've given their all, some stagger and fall, after all,

It's not easy bangin' your heart against some mad bugger's Wall.

Posted by: Chuck Schumer at December 18, 2018 03:57 PM (/qEW2)

101 Led Zeppelin on the other hand...
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (kyzbF)

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You tear the radio out of the dashboard?

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 03:57 PM (IlV2p)

102 I was fortunate enough to go to a Van Halen dress rehearsal years ago. Very few people, big venue. I was standing right at the stage and DLR's sweat splashed on me. Also saw that Hager dude at some biker rally and he sucked.
Posted by: Peaches at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (14URa)

You are a secret weapon, Peaches.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 03:57 PM (xJa6I)

103 That first Montrose album, though.

That was some good shit.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:58 PM (444To)

104 also, don't forget (if you want to be really annoyed) -- there are all kinds of environmental law hurdles about building a wall too close to the rio grande river.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:58 PM (GBteo)

105 93 Oh yeah? Next time you're walking through Walmart notice how nobody else is speaking English.
Posted by: Gonads and Strife at December 18, 2018 03:57 PM (smXDp)

A very large percentage of women I see in Wal-Mart around here are in full trash-bag Burqa.

Even most of the black women are Burqa'd (but without the niqab).

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UnA8+)

106 Amazing how we can build a wall around Baghdad, but not our own country.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:58 PM (RU4sa)

107 Why hasn't the wall been paid for by the military budget before now?

Obama and the Bushies don't want the wall.

Posted by: Mike at December 18, 2018 03:58 PM (c056A)

108
Why is Schumer part of this negotiation anyways?

Because Ryan, McConnell told President Trump to fuck off.

And McCarthy is a useless fraud...who also told President Trump to sod off.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:58 PM (kyzbF)

109 I'm not giving them ANY MORE MONEY. They're making more money than they ever have. They need to build the fucking wall with the money they already steal from us.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 03:59 PM (F4u7C)

110 so, you know the forgotten eighties mystery click on the sidebar, it was never forgotten or a mystery.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:59 PM (MTjB1)

111 We dont need a damn wall if they would start shutting down restaurants and hotels that ignore the law. We don't have to spend a dime to fix this.

Posted by: Gonads and Strife at December 18, 2018 03:59 PM (smXDp)

112 Willowed:

Old tracts used to have really vague descriptions rather than nicely surveyed plots. At one time, Mrs928 did lease mapping for a coal company and some of the deeds had descriptions like, ride west on a mule for the length of time it takes to smoke a cigarette.

Try plotting that out for a coal lease.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (CXeIv)

--------

From now on, I measure all long distances in mule-smokes.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:59 PM (AzW6q)

113
Any moron could see that threatening a shutdown that could only end with 100% surrender was foolish. Trump did that, not the GOPe.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (CQ3Qb)


I didn't see the white flag go up, when did that happen? In his metting with Pelosi and Shumer Trump said "one way or another he is going to get the wall" and now they're talking about other ways.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 03:59 PM (TAmPV)

114 Nobody wants the wall but the taxpayers.

That's why you don't have a wall.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:59 PM (444To)

115 >>I think the big cost here is eminent domaining the land necessary to build a wall.



Makes sense.

And with government projects, the initial cost estimate is typically tripled by the time it's done (Big Dig, CA's train to nowhere, etc.). The opposite of wiggle room.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (W+vEI)

116 That first Montrose album, though.

That was some good shit.
Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:58 PM (444To)
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Space Station 5 and Bad Motorscooter

Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (vDqXW)

117 65 We had a two year window to actually slow down immigration, and the GOPe was too stupid to do it. Look at the results from this year's election: Florida is on the edge of going blue, Arizona went blue, Colorado is gone, Virginia is gone. Wisconsin and Michigan went back to supporting Dems. It's another 40 - 60 years in the desert, and I'm guessing it's a permanent decline for the country. Think Britain after WWII -- they dumped Churchill and went into a slow, permanent decline.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at December 18, 2018 03:53 PM (5KWnQ)



I have had that fear myself--that the USA is going the way the UK went. However, Trump wisely has refrained from the Imperial Overstretch of the Bushyrovies. Especially since the real struggle is now at home.

The Demunists have been going Labourite ever since Joe Biden began plagiarizing Neil Kinnock, if not before that.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (ujg0T)

118 Governments used to buy warships with subscription schemes. Funds were raised, and the ship was built, outside of normal tax appropriations.

Trump should do that for The Wall. Start a GoFundMe or some equivalent that's willing to take a cut of it.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (J+mig)

119 45
42

"They agreed, but then cut me off, so I had to fund the rest with the Military. But the Dems did agree, see Judge (s)?"



Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (UsCnO)





"NO."



- - Judge Buch M. Danno

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (/9p9e)

So about 5 years ago, the Hawaii 5-0 reboot. This year, the Magnum P.I. reboot.


Proof you can never go back in time.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (UsCnO)

120 was fortunate enough to go to a Van Halen dress rehearsal years ago. Very few people, big venue. I was standing right at the stage and DLR's sweat splashed on me. Also saw that Hager dude at some biker rally and he sucked.
Posted by: Peaches at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (14URa)

You are a secret weapon, Peaches.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at D




"was fortunate enough to go to a Van Halen dress rehearsal years ago. Very few people, big venue."


which is how well raised young ladies from good families say "I'm hot."

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (MTjB1)

121 I think the big cost here is eminent domaining the land necessary to build a wall.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:57 PM (GBteo)


I'm telling you ... we could all show up on Saturday with our own post-hole diggers and chain-link, on private land donated by the rightful owners, and the GOP would be BEGGING the Dems behind closed doors to call a judge somewhere and stop this shit.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (axaxF)

122 My kids are semi fluent in Spanish. So they have that going for them.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (GvMX3)

123 >>>I'd buy that for eighty dollars.

I would, too.

Posted by: m at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (Q7mSB)

124 Assume the new-party sermon.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (AM1GF)

125 Valerie Bertinelli was Van Halen's Yoko Ono.

FIGHT ME.

Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (ZfRYq)

126 118 Governments used to buy warships with subscription schemes. Funds were raised, and the ship was built, outside of normal tax appropriations.

Trump should do that for The Wall. Start a GoFundMe or some equivalent that's willing to take a cut of it.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (J+mig)

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I'd donate to that.

Monthly, in fact.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (RU4sa)

127 Honestly the wall should clearly be a national security issue. Have the Army corp of engineers build it. Razor wire only works where men with guns are behind it with orders to shoot anyone approaching with wire cutters.

Trump has a history of offering to work with the Dems to demonstrate that the Dems will not cooperate on anything to benefit our own country so I no longer panic about statements like this. I am pissed at the RINOs for not having the wall partway completed already but I knew going in that many of them are open borders (and with Speaker Ryan being one of them - wall had no chance.) I hope that weasel contracts aids or something and slowly wastes away, knowing his actions caused the disease.

Posted by: paleRider at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (eASYU)

128
1...2...3...4...

The fvcking government just spent five billion dollars while you read that.

Trump can do better.

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (jYje5)

129
122 My kids are semi fluent in Spanish.

do they have the thing that goes up?

Posted by: Anachronda at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (xGZ+b)

130 122 My kids are semi fluent in Spanish. So they have that going for them.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (GvMX3)

Time to get them started on Arabic.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (UnA8+)

131 Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (8XRCm)
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Wrong, Mean Street

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (BqBId)

132 Nobody wants the wall but the taxpayers.

That's why you don't have a wall.
Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:59 PM (444To)
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We are no longer the stakeholders. We are divided between the beneficiaries and the deplorable.

Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (vDqXW)

133 "I'm hot" is code for

"I am a fucking smoke show and van halen were my groupies."

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (MTjB1)

134 President 18-1 would have instructed the Army to begin mining the border right after I was sworn in.

If the Dems didn't want their new voters asploding I'd be willing to see their budget proposals for a wall.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (cRkMZ)

135 113
Any moron could see that threatening a shutdown that could only end with 100% surrender was foolish. Trump did that, not the GOPe.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (CQ3Qb)
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Brian, Trump took the pole position and highlighted that by featuring Nanzi and Chuckie while doing so. Now he offers room to move for Nanzi and Chuck. They bite, he wins. Notice it is all about financing the wall. Has nothing to do with no wall. Art of Deal stuff.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (2LelM)

136 All government contracts get out of hand and quickly with cost overruns, environmental studies, lawyers and mandated labor costs.

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (/rm4P)

137 111
We dont need a damn wall if they would start shutting down restaurants
and hotels that ignore the law. We don't have to spend a dime to fix
this.


Posted by: Gonads and Strife at December 18, 2018 03:59 PM (smXDp)
I tend to agree with this. There's been this fixation on, well, Trump won the WH on the wall promise so if he doesn't do it, off with his head. Lemme ask anyone saying that, what are your alternatives to Trump? He is, quite literally, this country's last chance.

Posted by: Peaches at December 18, 2018 04:02 PM (14URa)

138 Valerie Bertinelli was at least good-looking.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:02 PM (RU4sa)

139
1) Wait before going on a rampage because what is reported isn't what was said.
2) The Art of the Deal is a continuous process.
3) Seriously - wait a bit and find out what actually is going on because our press is matched in its maliciousness only by its stupidity.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (hLRSq)


Mikey speaks wisdom.

Posted by: Emmie at December 18, 2018 04:02 PM (4HMW8)

140 Eddie Van Halen was 'One Day at a Time's' Yoko.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:02 PM (444To)

141 Fair Warning ! DUH !!! My Bad

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 04:02 PM (BqBId)

142 Hell, I'd be happy if we were allowed to know which of our Betters paid off women with OUR tax money.

As a start.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (ptqGC)

Here's another idea: print on everyone's tax return: "I demand that 100% of my tax dollars go toward the construction of an effective wall on the U.S.-Mexico border."

With a space for a signature. The commie fag cucks that are opposed to the wall can simply leave that space blank. But all the ones that are signed effectively become a taxpayer petition to build the wall.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 18, 2018 04:02 PM (fDU8w)

143
FIGHT ME.
Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (ZfRYq)
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I'd rather point and laugh.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 04:02 PM (IlV2p)

144
What's hilarious is the Law is going after a Trump golf course for immigration violations.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:03 PM (kyzbF)

145 Now let me get this straight: I got shitcanned because some congressmen were getting $100 interest free loans from the House post office.

But the House has been paying off sexual harassment victims using a slush fund that nobody knew about. And nobody knows what's been paid out. And nobody's going to ever know what's been paid out.

I guess I'm just a man before his time.

Posted by: Dan Rostenkowski at December 18, 2018 04:03 PM (hjaPQ)

146 87

Nope. There was a vote in the house and it passed. March 20thish. After weeks of 'inside sourxes' saying it wouldn't. Don't rewrite history.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 04:03 PM (GvMX3)

147 The problem with the borders is not the wall (or lack thereof) but with the utter lack of interior enforcement and the siding of our courts with the invaders.

A wall is totally meaningless without interior enforcement and without the ability to seriously militarize the area. Of course, if we could militarize the border area (as a national border with a country that has been committing acts of war against us for decades) then we wouldn't need a physical wall, anyway.

I don't care much for the wall. I care only about interior enforcement and having our border area be treated like the serious border that it is, with aliens and people on the other side having NO RIGHTS, at all. That is how things are supposed to be with the whole nation-state concept.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 04:03 PM (ndSD+)

148 130 no its Spanish here, Arabic in Europe.

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 04:03 PM (/rm4P)

149 $83? Make it tax deductible and you got a deal

Posted by: Regular joe at December 18, 2018 04:03 PM (cZlKA)

150 Eddie Van Halen wrote some smoking guitar riffs.
'Panama' in particular. It just gets you up and banging.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:03 PM (xJa6I)

151 there was a rumor in the eighties that van halen quit their road show, bought a subaru and followed Peaches around.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:03 PM (MTjB1)

152 I was fortunate enough to go to a Van Halen dress rehearsal years ago. Very few people, big venue. I was standing right at the stage and DLR's sweat splashed on me. Also saw that Hager dude at some biker rally and he sucked.
Posted by: Peaches at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (14URa)


You sure that was sweat?

And I don't get all the Sammy hate. He's got 5 decades of music out there and he's better than 90% of bands out there, IMHO.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 04:04 PM (F4u7C)

153 111 We dont need a damn wall if they would start shutting down restaurants and hotels that ignore the law. We don't have to spend a dime to fix this.
Posted by: Gonads and Strife at December 18, 2018 03:59 PM (smXDp)



Three words: Crowded Emergency Rooms

Two more words: Underground economy.

Embrace the power of AND. The Border Wall makes it easier to have employer enforcement, which in turn discourages going over or under the Wall.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:04 PM (ujg0T)

154 Hell, I'd be happy if we were allowed to know which of our Betters paid off women with OUR tax money.

___

Hey for the record I used my own friend's money for my under age hookers in the DR. I have standards after all!

Posted by: Sen Bob Menendez at December 18, 2018 04:04 PM (cRkMZ)

155 The Wall - Bonds thing can work.

Make it private investment, add a 15% fee to all cash sent back to Mexico to pay it off, with a high interest rate and a big profit for the investors!

Government doesn't have to pay a penny. And people will invest because they will get a pre-determined profit that is essentially backed by the Fed Gov.


Don't want the money transfer fee too high, or the illegals will find a way around it.


Easy - peasy.



Do I get two scoops?


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 04:04 PM (UsCnO)

156 The GOP's big donors don't want a wall.
That became clear in 2016 when Trump went to the extreme with his "build the wall" #1 campaign pledge and not one of them budged an inch on the issue. I had (stupidly) assumed that Trump was there to define the extremes, and one of them (Walker, Cruz) would then swoop in with something less extreme and win the nomination.

Nope. No compromise, no movement, just sticking with open borders. It was a revelation for me, to see no one move despite immigration control polling at ~75% (more limits, etc.).

Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2018 04:04 PM (W+vEI)

157 Trump has a history of offering to work with the Dems to demonstrate that the Dems will not cooperate on anything to benefit our own country so I no longer panic about statements like this.
Posted by: paleRider at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (eASYU)


PaleRider is perceptive.

Posted by: Emmie at December 18, 2018 04:05 PM (4HMW8)

158 @137


Absent massive changes to a shit ton of laws which will never get through one let alone both chambers of congress, a wall is the only way to even remotely stop the flow.

And it doesn't look like we are ever getting that wall.



I'm doing serious contemplation of the shape and form of my own personal Benedict Option.


Because shit is going to get real, real soon.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 04:05 PM (qxq6t)

159

We all saw this coming.

The Republicans did this to us. They pushed this deadline 2 weeks to December 21....right before Christmas.

Republicans did this to us and to the president.

But Trump foolishly signed the last CR and believed the Republicans' lies.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:05 PM (kyzbF)

160 Posted by: Gonads and Strife at December 18, 2018 03:59 PM (smXDp)

LOL! Nice nic, I remember that bit from back in the day...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 18, 2018 04:05 PM (AM1GF)

161 Never liked Sammy anywhere at anytime

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 04:05 PM (/rm4P)

162

Several Congressmen have climbed my border wall and spelunked north...

Posted by: Shemp Smith at December 18, 2018 04:06 PM (rr4fE)

163 Wouldn't matter if Trump got the money from funding, donations, Mexico or hidden treasure. The Dems will fight every foot of wall construction through courts, legislation, intimidation, environment impact,boycotts, ruining anybody involved etc... The wall is a far greater threat to them than any foreign invader.

Posted by: Ripley at December 18, 2018 04:06 PM (MxEKc)

164 Our "Leaders" have no will to stop illegal immigration and drug smuggling. It's not a physical or technical problem. A single strand of barb wire is sufficient to stop incursions when it is used to demark the point after which you will get shot.

They don't want to stop it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 04:06 PM (CXeIv)

165
125 Valerie Bertinelli was Van Halen's Yoko Ono.



Except everybody understood why you'd want to bang Valerie.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 04:06 PM (TAmPV)

166 Is the wall for national defense?

I say yes.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (RU4sa)

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Yep. This will be his rationale as CiC. A Judge may slow him down, but will not stop him.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 04:06 PM (ffYR/)

167
David Lee Roth had no voice. But he was a damn good entertainer.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:06 PM (/9p9e)

168 >>. He's got 5 decades of music out there and he's better than 90% of bands out there, IMHO.


He has exactly 5 years of being a Passable vocalist. but he is no musician.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:06 PM (444To)

169 I don't care much for the wall. I care only about interior enforcement and having our border area be treated like the serious border that it is, with aliens and people on the other side having NO RIGHTS, at all. That is how things are supposed to be with the whole nation-state concept.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 04:03 PM (ndSD+)

Yeah.

I think the biggest single change that would turn our whole immigration situation around immediately would be to lower the amount of due process needed to deport someone.

The left does an amazing job at clogging up immigration courts.

There are two immigration cases involving Chinese nationals that could be overturned that would change that in a second. I forget the case names though.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 04:06 PM (GBteo)

170 It's simple. Trump's Signature Promise is building the Wall. If he builds it, or it's very well into the process of being built--he get's re-elected. If he doesn't, the very people who prevented it from being built will run around crowing that he failed to build the Wall overdo it so much that the people will see that Trump was sincere--but that everyone else was not.
And he still get's re-elected.

Posted by: Hawaian Judge at December 18, 2018 04:06 PM (NFEMn)

171 What will be left of the Trump presidency other than judges? When he is gone, this term or next, there will be nearly nothing in the way of actual laws passed. No wall etc.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 18, 2018 04:07 PM (wGbBR)

172

btw, better prepare yourselves, because after Jan 3rd, we into the 2020 campaign.

And you think 2018 was ugly and evil?

2019 and 2020 will be worse.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:07 PM (kyzbF)

173 Make it an item on your tax return like for public funding of elections.

But honestly, did Trump really think he was going to win this one over the wall?

Democrats would literally sacrifice their own children before they would fund Trump's wall.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:07 PM (UfkIY)

174 Speaking of ERs my brother had to go to one not so long ago. When I got there no rooms available.


Who was in the rooms?

A couple of traffic accident victims.


Several "voluntary" detoxes (ok Mr Officer I'd rather go to the hospital then the pokey alright?)

And a whole bunch of....no hablo ingles senior....

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:07 PM (cRkMZ)

175 >>David Lee Roth had no voice.


That's why he barely sings. Mostly talks.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:07 PM (444To)

176 lol

What a Fool Believes is now playing.

Very apropos.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:07 PM (RU4sa)

177 So as I heard President Trump say in the Chucky and Sloppy Chopppers meeting he would gladly own a shutdown I thought he got he was played that last time by both sides.

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 04:07 PM (/rm4P)

178 Seriously 'It's got what it takes, so tell me why can't this be love'???

don't forget "only time will tell if we stand the test of time"

great songwriting right there

Posted by: brak at December 18, 2018 04:08 PM (VckGX)

179 Here's the deal: I've never supported the idea of the wall (though I voted for Trump). I have reasons for this, but they're not important, unless anyone cares to hear them.

But, I want that wall built, hasta pronto - and the reason is that the voters who won the election by and large voted for Trump because they damned well DID want that wall.

I am SO sick and tired of our government flatly ignoring the will of the American people. I've had it up to here.^^^

If the wall is possible to build (it is), does not violate the Constitution (it doesn't), and can be paid for (it can), then these people need to suck it up and do their damned jobs whether they like it or not.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:08 PM (AzW6q)

180 Brian, Trump took the pole position and highlighted that by featuring Nanzi and Chuckie while doing so. Now he offers room to move for Nanzi and Chuck. They bite, he wins. Notice it is all about financing the wall. Has nothing to do with no wall. Art of Deal stuff.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (2LelM)

Where is his leverage? Dems control the House in a few weeks. The Trump Agenda is now over. All we can hope for is that he obstructs every bill they pass. Nothing we want is going to get done now. He had two years and has mostly squandered them.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 04:08 PM (CQ3Qb)

181 152 I was fortunate enough to go to a Van Halen dress rehearsal years ago. Very few people, big venue. I was standing right at the stage and DLR's sweat splashed on me. Also saw that Hager dude at some biker rally and he sucked.
Posted by: Peaches at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (14URa)

You sure that was sweat?

And I don't get all the Sammy hate. He's got 5 decades of music out there and he's better than 90% of bands out there, IMHO.
Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 04:04 PM (F4u7C)

Maybe it's just me but when he joined Van Halen, the band changed and not for the better. "Why Can't This Be Love" and "Dreams" are not rock and roll. They're easy listening turned up.

If you like easy listening, fine. I let folks like what they want to like. But watching a front line rock band turn into something weak and limp just irritates me.

I know, it's an old story. Happened to Queensryche, to Kenny Loggins, Phil Collins and an infinite number of bands.

I dunno. Rock is a young man's game. Or it was. It's dead now.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:08 PM (xJa6I)

182 173 Democrats would literally sacrifice their own children before they would fund Trump's wall.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:07 PM (UfkIY)

No, they'll sacrifice YOUR children.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 04:08 PM (UnA8+)

183 151
there was a rumor in the eighties that van halen quit their road show, bought a subaru and followed Peaches around.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:03 PM (MTjB1)
Just when I think I cannot possibly love you more, Y5. lol, I really needed a laugh today.

Posted by: Peaches at December 18, 2018 04:08 PM (14URa)

184 178 Seriously 'It's got what it takes, so tell me why can't this be love'???

don't forget "only time will tell if we stand the test of time"

great songwriting right there
Posted by: brak at December 18, 2018 04:08 PM (VckGX)

Ugh. I can sorta taste puke right now.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:09 PM (xJa6I)

185 illegal immigrants

all they bring is head lice and woe

#nevergiveuponchristmas #itsawalloflove

Posted by: happyfeet at December 18, 2018 03:46 PM (mLfQi)
............

head lice, woe and Honduran tortillas

Posted by: wth at December 18, 2018 04:09 PM (HgMAr)

186 Democrats do not have many children, which is why they steal ours through the schools and import others.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 18, 2018 04:09 PM (wGbBR)

187 And a whole bunch of....no hablo ingles senior....
Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:07 PM (cRkMZ)
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And everyone of them has a cell phone.

If I had the chance, I'd enact a $40 per ER visit fee so fast it would make your head spin. Watch those rooms become empty.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 04:09 PM (IlV2p)

188 I didn't think the wall would ever be built. But at least I clung to some false hope. Now that hope is gone. It sucks but it's not at all shocking.

Other than somewhat lower taxes (which will be undone by Dems with the gop's help), Trump jasn't really done much. Yeah Gorsuch. Meh.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 04:09 PM (GvMX3)

189
So no $5 billion for a border wall but Mexico and Guatemala are reportedly getting several times that in foreign aid?

Thanks, GOP!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:09 PM (/9p9e)

190 $80, treat it like a campaign donation! That will show them!

Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 04:09 PM (nID3z)

191 Yep. This will be his rationale as CiC. A Judge may slow him down, but will not stop him.

***

Presumably you can detain a judge for doing so as you could anyone else interfering in a military operation.


Pretend like it is the Civil War and do what Lincoln did...


Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:09 PM (cRkMZ)

192 His presidency is effectively over without a meaningful wall. The
half-assed partial fence ...blahblahblahwhinyassblah...
[i/]
I shit my pants,
My pants I shit.
And in my shitted pants I sit.

Posted by: mikeyG at December 18, 2018 04:09 PM (LL1Be)

193 53: Richie Rich ain't gonna get more billions paying American workers!

Posted by: Richie Rich at December 18, 2018 04:09 PM (U7k5w)

194 Van Halen sucked. They really did. EV is a talented guitarist but he has an annoying tone. Roth's shtick got old fast. I like maybe five songs by this version of the band.
Sammy Hagar was a relentless self-promoter with a barely competent voice. But the song Finish What You Started, is probably the best song the band ever did.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:09 PM (NFEMn)

195 Hi Peaches!

Nice to see ya. : )

y5 cracks me up too.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (RU4sa)

196 I was fortunate enough to go to a Van Halen dress rehearsal years ago. Very few people, big venue. I was standing right at the stage and DLR's sweat splashed on me. Also saw that Hager dude at some biker rally and he sucked.
Posted by: Peaches

You sure that was sweat?

And I don't get all the Sammy hate. He's got 5 decades of music out there and he's better than 90% of bands out there, IMHO.
Posted by: Sponge


You wanna start a fight? Stick up for Gary Cherone.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (AM1GF)

197 Trump and the wall === Obama on Gitmo.

Obama could only progressively progress in areas that didn't concern deep state interests. Trump will not be allowed to MAGA outside of the deep state boundaries as well.

Posted by: human at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (0CeRG)

198 Burma Shave

Posted by: mikeyG at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (LL1Be)

199 >>Seriously 'It's got what it takes, so tell me why can't this be love'???


First time I heard that song I thought it was a beer commercial. It so would have worked as one, right?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (W+vEI)

200 Just when I think I cannot possibly love you more, Y5. lol, I really needed a laugh today.
Posted by: Peaches at D




good. since we so rarely run into each other any more, Merry Christmas in case I miss you before then.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (MTjB1)

201 Sorry, there will be no wall.

Look, it's a family matter with me.

When Mexico finally collapses into anarchy and civil war and 20 million Mexicans head for the border, I'm counting on there being someone in those millions willing to come and fuck my niece!

Posted by: Chuck Schumer at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (DuAZ5)

202 130
122 My kids are semi fluent in Spanish. So they have that going for them.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (GvMX3)



Time to get them started on Arabic.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (UnA8+)


and Chinese. Others here would know which dialect is best.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (UsCnO)

203 189: I sure hope you didn't expect me to do shit about it

Posted by: Snoreregard with a mint julep at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (U7k5w)

204 >>Rock is a young man's game. Or it was. It's dead now.


You are crazy. Lots of great music being made these days. Just no way for an old guy to find most of it.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (444To)

205
I'm doing serious contemplation of the shape and form of my own personal Benedict Option.


What is a personal Benedict option? Going to resign so somebody else can take over?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 18, 2018 04:11 PM (AllCR)

206 Well, Hillary was just the hands down better choice!

Tell me you can read that and think Trump, even without the wall, wasn't a better choice for us.

But I still want my flucking wall.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:11 PM (37IEG)

207
Where is his leverage? Dems control the House in a few weeks. The Trump Agenda is now over. All we can hope for is that he obstructs every bill they pass. Nothing we want is going to get done now. He had two years and has mostly squandered them.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 04:08 PM (CQ3Qb)


lol

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 04:11 PM (TAmPV)

208 I dunno. Rock is a young man's game. Or it was. It's dead now.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:08 PM (xJa6I)
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Nah. It's just not popular. I listen to all kinds of heavy and metal riffs, new stuff coming out all the time on Spotify.

Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 04:11 PM (vDqXW)

209 The extras were the best part of DLR California Girls, the music and singing sucked

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 18, 2018 04:11 PM (bQtop)

210 I tend to agree with post #170. I'm sure Trump will do everything he can to get the wall built. If he can't, why would voters punish him? Punish the cucks in the GOP who run on border security, but then turn against when they're elected.
The most famous example of this was candidate John "Build The Dang Fence!" McCain, but there are certainly many others.

Posted by: Mike at December 18, 2018 04:11 PM (c056A)

211 86


Yeah but you're all missing the point:





Van Halen sucked.



They sucked a little less with Roth.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:56 PM (kyzbF)

Might as well Jump.

Go ahead and Jump.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 04:11 PM (UsCnO)

212 Well, Hillary was just the hands down better choice!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:11 PM (37IEG)
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I have to agree.

Posted by: Satan at December 18, 2018 04:11 PM (vDqXW)

213 David Lee Roth had no voice.


That's why he barely sings. Mostly talks.
Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:07 PM (444To)

Lou Reed made a whole career out of talking through songs.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (NFEMn)

214 None of this matters anymore.
There is no peaceful solution.

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (P4Pk9)

215 I'll wait to see the deal before I jump in with trolls an suicidal eeyores.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (gI6+S)

216 188: I tried stopping the reefer madness, son

Posted by: Snoreregard with a mint julep at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (U7k5w)

217 208 I dunno. Rock is a young man's game. Or it was. It's dead now.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:08 PM (xJa6I)
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Nah. It's just not popular. I listen to all kinds of heavy and metal riffs, new stuff coming out all the time on Spotify.
Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 04:11 PM (vDqXW)

Are there new rock bands? Spill, man. I haven't heard anything I consider Rock except MAYBE the Killers...and they have a heavy dose of Queen in their DNA.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (xJa6I)

218 Posted by: Satan at December 18, 2018 04:11 PM (vDqXW)

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You suck.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (RU4sa)

219 Have Caltrans build the wall. We could mine Gold on Phobos to pay for it. Jobs for everyone!

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (RuIsu)

220 Looks like The Wall is closing in on Trump.

c'mon team!

These pants are not gonna shit themselves.

Posted by: mikeyG at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (LL1Be)

221 Sam Halen sucked. Van Halen was awesome.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (gI6+S)

222 someone in those millions willing to come and fuck my niece!
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no, no puedo

Posted by: Every man in Mexico at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (cRkMZ)

223 201
Sorry, there will be no wall.



Look, it's a family matter with me.



When Mexico finally collapses into anarchy and civil war and 20
million Mexicans head for the border, I'm counting on there being
someone in those millions willing to come and fuck my niece!

Posted by: Chuck Schumer at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (DuAZ5)
Gawd! Get a clue! Read the memo Unca Chuck!
I'm NOT going to be super fuckable any more! I'm just not!

Posted by: Amy Scummer at December 18, 2018 04:13 PM (37IEG)

224 Trump folding in the wall only makes sense if he thinks he can reverse next year. Going into 2020 without a win on "the wall" would be political suicide.

Posted by: wooga at December 18, 2018 04:13 PM (WTBaJ)

225
The universe never ceases to amaze me. If yesterday someone had said there was a relationship between the tune 'Baby it's Cold Outside' and the Muslim Brotherhood, and subsequently Al Qaeda, then planes attacking the World Trade Center and the Pentagon I'd suggest they seek mental health authorities.

Today, I'd applaud them for being well informed.

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 04:13 PM (jYje5)

226 Bob Dylan..... NOT a singer.....

Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 04:13 PM (90T4r)

227 205: I believe it has something to do with eggs, madam

Posted by: Snoreregard with a mint julep at December 18, 2018 04:13 PM (U7k5w)

228 Are there new rock bands? Spill, man. I haven't heard anything I consider Rock except MAYBE the Killers...and they have a heavy dose of Queen in their DNA.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (xJa6I)
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Try Haken or Soen.

Posted by: Satan at December 18, 2018 04:13 PM (vDqXW)

229 204 >>Rock is a young man's game. Or it was. It's dead now.


You are crazy. Lots of great music being made these days. Just no way for an old guy to find most of it.
Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (444To)

CRAZY FROM THE HEAT!

Yeah, I am old though. Probably born old.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:13 PM (xJa6I)

230 Where is his leverage? Dems control the House in a few weeks. The Trump Agenda is now over. All we can hope for is that he obstructs every bill they pass. Nothing we want is going to get done now. He had two years and has mostly squandered them.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 04:08 PM (CQ3Qb)

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You have watched what he has done for 2 years and you can say that with a straight face? Good grief.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 04:13 PM (ffYR/)

231 Saw Jim Treacher and Allahpundit rejoicing on Twitter awhile ago.

Posted by: Jim Rose at December 18, 2018 04:14 PM (VFl7m)

232 171 What will be left of the Trump presidency other than judges? When he is gone, this term or next, there will be nearly nothing in the way of actual laws passed. No wall etc.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 18, 2018 04:07 PM (wGbBR)
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Got two conservative SCOTUS judges and a tax cut. Don't underestimate how big a deal getting Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on the court was. Just imagine he gets a third.

I do think he's moved the overtone window on immigration and the wall. It used to be ignored by the political class. No more.

Posted by: WisRich at December 18, 2018 04:14 PM (G0vdT)

233 221 Sam Halen sucked. Van Halen was awesome.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (gI6+S)


The first Hagar Halen came out at a great time in my life and "Love Comes Walking In" reminds me of a lady I had a very brief but intense summer romance with.

Sigh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:14 PM (/9p9e)

234 218
Posted by: Satan at December 18, 2018 04:11 PM (vDqXW)



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You suck.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (RU4sa)
That was one of the job qualifications for being Satan.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:14 PM (37IEG)

235 Now, yet me say the one thing that probably WILL get me shot around these parts.

I hate Metal.

ESPECIALLY the shit (emphasis on "shit") with the Death Grunts.

Instrumental Post-Metal, on the other hand...

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 04:14 PM (UnA8+)

236 I wish Twitter would go away.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:14 PM (RU4sa)

237 Trump should do that for The Wall. Start a GoFundMe or some equivalent that's willing to take a cut of it.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (J+mig)

There you go! Make "gifts to the USA" a 100% Federal tax credit. Then set up a "Border Wall Fund" to receive such "gifts" from taxpayers. All taxpayers who want a wall simply calculate their tax owing, and make a gift of that amount to the Border Wall Fund. And wind up getting a hefty tax refund, to offset the cost of the gift.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 18, 2018 04:15 PM (fDU8w)

238 Where is his leverage? Dems control the House in a few weeks. The Trump Agenda is now over. All we can hope for is that he obstructs every bill they pass. Nothing we want is going to get done now. He had two years and has mostly squandered them.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at D



what do you mean where is the leverage? he does a deal with the democrats.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:15 PM (MTjB1)

239

I missed Peaches? Dammit!

Also, a $5 copay for an ED would empty them out so fast your head would spin off...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 18, 2018 04:15 PM (rr4fE)

240 231 Saw Jim Treacher and Allahpundit rejoicing on Twitter awhile ago.
Posted by: Jim Rose at December 18, 2018 04:14 PM (VFl7m)


More Arthur. Less Jim...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:15 PM (/9p9e)

241 good. since we so rarely run into each other any more, Merry Christmas in case I miss you before then.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (MTjB1)
Merry Christmas to you and yours, Y5! I'll be around. All my friends are 2000 miles away and my sis is heading to Taipei tomorrow. Just me and the FOs here. Oh, yeah, and Steve Vai was there, too. He was pretty good on that guitar.

Posted by: Peaches at December 18, 2018 04:15 PM (14URa)

242 When Mexico finally collapses into anarchy and civil war and 20 million Mexicans head for the border, I'm counting on there being someone in those millions willing to come and fuck my niece!
Posted by: Chuck Schumer

Jobs American's won't do.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at December 18, 2018 04:15 PM (5KWnQ)

243
And I don't get all the Sammy hate. He's got 5 decades of music out there and he's better than 90% of bands out there, IMHO.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 04:04 PM (F4u7C)

Cabo Wabo.

It's a tequila, AND a bar owned (formerly owned?) by Sammy Hagar in Los Cabos .


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 04:15 PM (UsCnO)

244 I dunno. Rock is a young man's game. Or it was. It's dead now.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:08 PM (xJa6I)


With this, I agree.

When Rolling Stone (I know I know) came out and said that No Doubt was the future of rock and roll, I knew it was dead forever more.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 04:15 PM (F4u7C)

245 AC/DC...... my favorite hard rock band.....

Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 04:15 PM (90T4r)

246 230

Serious question. What big wins has Trump had. I will give him tax cuts. Other than that? And I don't mean stuff like deregulation or judges. I mean a big battle with Dems where he ended up getting what he wanted passed.

I honestly don't think such a thing exists.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 04:15 PM (GvMX3)

247 I never got Van Halen. They're rock only by comparison to Loverboy and Styx and whatnot.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 18, 2018 04:15 PM (zO1cf)

248 I hate Metal.

ESPECIALLY the shit (emphasis on "shit") with the Death Grunts.

Instrumental Post-Metal, on the other hand...
Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 04:14 PM (UnA8+)
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I like metal, except for screamo and death growls--metal didn't start out with growling.

Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (vDqXW)

249
what do you mean where is the leverage? he does a deal with the democrats.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:15 PM (MTjB1)
Like all the previous deals done with the Democrats to secure the border?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (37IEG)

250 Brian asks where is Trump's leverage now the Democrats control the House?
His leverage is that he's making the Democrats define their position to the voters. The majority of Americans do want some form of border security. So if not a wall, what are Democrats proposing? Nothing? Well, they've defined their position.
I can't wait for them to propose strict gun control laws and higher taxes.

Posted by: Mike at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (c056A)

251 lol DamnedYankee.

True.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (RU4sa)

252 201 Sorry, there will be no wall.

Look, it's a family matter with me.

When Mexico finally collapses into anarchy and civil war and 20 million Mexicans head for the border, I'm counting on there being someone in those millions willing to come and fuck my niece!
Posted by: Chuck Schumer at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (DuAZ5)



Mexican dykes doing the job that American dykes won't?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (ujg0T)

253 Instrumental Post-Metal, on the other hand...

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 04:14 PM (UnA8+)
I think you're turning Japanese . . .

Posted by: Peaches at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (14URa)

254 Lou Reed made a whole career out of talking through songs.

Which causes more SJW aneurisms: Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side" or the Kinks' "Lola"?

Posted by: wooga at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (WTBaJ)

255 >>I hate Metal.


Metal Hates You Right Back


Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (444To)

256 This was lost when Trump fell for the old continuing resolution trick or whatever he agreed to last time to avoid the shut down. He showed he could be intimidate and panicked with media histrionics. That was the time to take the stand and tell Deep Sate, GOP and Dems to eat shit, build the wall or no more goodies.

Posted by: Ripley at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (MxEKc)

257 238: I think he will give them amnesty if they pinky swear to build a 4 dimensional wall in 40 years

Posted by: Snoreregard with a mint julep at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (U7k5w)

258 So about 5 years ago, the Hawaii 5-0 reboot. This year, the Magnum P.I. reboot.


Proof you can never go back in time.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (UsCnO)

Haven't watched either, and won't. Those shows were vehicles for their stars. No star? No vehicle.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (fDU8w)

259 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (xJa6I)

Black Keys, Kaleo, The Record Company... some others ain't coming to mind right away.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (J+mig)

260 He had two years and has mostly squandered them.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans

__________

Yep

Obviously I blame Paul Ryan, but Trump could have vetoed some bills until he got what he wanted.

He really thought he was going to have all branches of government forever.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:17 PM (UfkIY)

261 I accept nothing at face value as to what the MSM says.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 18, 2018 04:17 PM (AllCR)

262 I want the wall to be built because that's the first line of defense. I want robust internal enforcement too, of course, but that becomes easier if fewer get through. A crack in the pipe is easier to clean up after than if you open up the whole pipeline and then try to mop up.

Says the queen of lousy metaphors.

Posted by: bluebell at December 18, 2018 04:17 PM (U5tDi)

263 Personally if the wall gets built its great, but I think the visa application is a bigger scam, they get here legally and never leave.

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 04:17 PM (/rm4P)

264 Personally, I have become convinced that the Deep Uniparty Establishment is invincible. Before this is over, Alexa will be reporting you to the DoJ/FBI if you dare to speak a favorable word about President Trump in your own house. Lavrenti Beria didn't have the power that Comrade Mueller has and continues to abuse.
We citizens had a nice run, but rulers gotta rule!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at December 18, 2018 04:17 PM (f3oO4)

265 Don't underestimate how big a deal getting Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on the court was. Just imagine he gets a third.

Posted by: WisRich at December 18, 2018 04:14 PM (G0vdT)
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Gorsuch, yes. Not as sure about Kavanaugh. Trump might have thrown the Dems into the brier patch.

Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 04:17 PM (vDqXW)

266 >>We had a two year window to actually slow down immigration, and the GOPe was too stupid to do it.

We are in the same position today that we have been in for the last two years. The results of the last election don't kick in until next month.

We still need 60 votes in the Senate.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 04:17 PM (/tuJf)

267 The Deep State literally crippled Jim Treacher and he's still hungry for their taint taste.

Sad.

He used to be funny.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (xJa6I)

268 Allocate the money. Need to leave spending "to the discretion of the Secretary of the Department".

Posted by: Golfman at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (AXniC)

269 Nah. It's just not popular. I listen to all kinds of heavy and metal riffs, new stuff coming out all the time on Spotify.
Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 04:11 PM (vDqXW)

Spotify is great.
I think the problem is the audience and the market is made up of a million pieces. What I mean is, back when radio was king, they cherry-picked the most commercial songs and that's what listeners got--and out of those songs, some songs became hits that everybody knows. Now you can get literally all kinds of music, but it's tougher for anything to make a dent in the public consciousness.
Similar with TV. Back in the '70's, you watched The Six Million Dollar Man or Happy Days --AND SO DID EVERYONE ELSE AT SCHOOL. Today, there's a zillion things to watch.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (NFEMn)

270 261

Dude. It's the MSM quoting Sanders. Stop it.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (GvMX3)

271 Don't think it's as simple as "it's a security issue, he can order the military to do it". In fact, it's not remotely that simple.


Anything not covered by appropriation from Congress would fall instantly as an Anti-Deficiency Act violation.


The alternative there is to "reprogram" appropriated funds. Been a while, not sure exactly what the limits on that are, or whether congressional approval/acquiescence is required, or at what level (used to be funding below a certain number could be reprogrammed, within activities covered by the same appropriations bill, with just notification).


Beyond those almost certain game-stoppers, there's the fact that (like most of Trump's accomplishments so far) any project done through fiat could be stopped within 15 seconds by the next president. And though such concepts really do seem completely quaint and irrelevant now, it would stink of illegitimacy (major political issue where a president cannot get Congress to agree, so he does it anyway), which would make ending/reversing it later politically much easier.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (QDnY+)

272 Black Keys, Kaleo, The Record Company... some others ain't coming to mind right away.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (J+mig)

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I like a lot of Paolo Nutini's jams. And yes his name is actually Paolo.

But rock and metal have really fallen on hard times.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (AzW6q)

273 concrete shoes
cyanide
TNT
neck ties
contracts
high voltage

Posted by: wth at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (HgMAr)

274 182
173 Democrats would literally sacrifice their own children before they would fund Trump's wall.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:07 PM (UfkIY)



No, they'll sacrifice YOUR children.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 04:08 PM (UnA8+)

they've already started.

Posted by: Kate Steinle's parents at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (UsCnO)

275 Brian asks where is Trump's leverage now the Democrats control the House?
His leverage is that he's making the Democrats define their position to the voters. The majority of Americans do want some form of border security. So if not a wall, what are Democrats proposing? Nothing? Well, they've defined their position.
I can't wait for them to propose strict gun control laws and higher taxes.

Posted by: Mike at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (c056A)



Then wouldn't it have made more sense to have forced the democrats to take this position back in May?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (CXeIv)

276 To me, metal will always be motorhead

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (bQtop)

277 I saw Jim Treacher sucking cocks to get backstage at a Sammy Hagar concert at Six Flags back in 08!

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (444To)

278 Like all the previous deals done with the Democrats to secure the border?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at D



like all the previous deal making Trump has done throughout his career. working a deal with the democrats will be a lot easier than doing one with the ryan republicans who were only interested in having new soiled sheets to lick clean ever evening.

you hate me I hate you lets do a deal.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (MTjB1)

279 The Geneva Conventions strictly prohibit the use of Gaymore Mines in Banana Wars.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 18, 2018 04:19 PM (Evws/)

280 Gorsuch and Kav were great accomplishments, and needed.

However, they both replaced right-right leaning justices. Until we get one of theirs and move things to the right, it wont make a huge difference.

Still, judges have been a great thing. What about the rest? Trump has been fought on every other thing, and much of his accomplishments can be changed via executive action.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at December 18, 2018 04:19 PM (wGbBR)

281 Gorsuch, yes. Not as sure about Kavanaugh. Trump might have thrown the Dems into the brier patch.
Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 04:17 PM (vDqXW)
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I'll give you that. We'll see how he measures up at the end of the term.

Posted by: WisRich at December 18, 2018 04:19 PM (G0vdT)

282
Serious question. What big wins has Trump had. I will give him tax cuts. Other than that? And I don't mean stuff like deregulation or judges. I mean a big battle with Dems where he ended up getting what he wanted passed.
I honestly don't think such a thing exists.

by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 04:15 PM (GvMX3)


So Kavanaugh wasn't a big battle with the democrats?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 04:19 PM (TAmPV)

283 Brian's all 'tarded and shit. Just sayin' . . .

Posted by: Peaches at December 18, 2018 04:19 PM (14URa)

284
The ad for a lawsuit against the diabeetus drug Invokana was just on.

Genital Gangrene??
Genital amputation? Because of Invokana?

Yeah, okay, lawyers.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:19 PM (kyzbF)

285 260 He had two years and has mostly squandered them.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans

__________

Yep

Obviously I blame Paul Ryan, but Trump could have vetoed some bills until he got what he wanted.

He really thought he was going to have all branches of government forever.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:17 PM (UfkIY)


The failure of the last two years, IMHO is ALL on the GOP. Trump has done incredibly good things both from a policy standpoint via the EO and of course tax reform, and at least Gorsuch, as well as the intangible of overturning the tables of the moneychangers in the DC temple and exposing the corruption for all to see. That hopefully starts the process that changes things. By however that happens.

But Trump has been singularly magnificent by himself.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:19 PM (/9p9e)

286 206 Well, Hillary was just the hands down better choice!

Tell me you can read that and think Trump, even without the wall, wasn't a better choice for us.

But I still want my flucking wall.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:11 PM (37IEG)

Of course he was the better choice. But what about 2020 now? What's going to drive his turnout for reelection? I fear the Dem nominee is going to be worse than Clinton (if not her again) and nothing will stop Dem turnout.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 04:19 PM (CQ3Qb)

287 But rock and metal have really fallen on hard times.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (AzW6q)

Just like America.

Rock is our soul and essence.

Metal is our fire.

Both are in danger of being extinguished.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 04:19 PM (J+mig)

288 "only time will tell if we stand the test of time"

I'm still referenced, ya know.

Posted by: Clock Boy at December 18, 2018 04:19 PM (ctuyM)

289 >>I hate Metal.
........

I hate stone. Ugh.

Posted by: Ugh the Caveman at December 18, 2018 04:19 PM (HgMAr)

290 258 So about 5 years ago, the Hawaii 5-0 reboot. This year, the Magnum P.I. reboot.


Proof you can never go back in time.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (UsCnO)

Haven't watched either, and won't. Those shows were vehicles for their stars. No star? No vehicle.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (fDU8w)

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*fistbump*

BTW, the turntable has met my expectations.

Decent sound, bass, and treble.

Phono not as much as CD and bluetooth. Forgotten how much I've missed listening to vinyls, though.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:20 PM (RU4sa)

291

For God's sake PLEASE build the wall! My GF's family are sucking me dry! I pawned my car to buy the MIL a boob job, and she's 76! I have to eat steak nearly raw 'cause I can't afford to leave the stove on! PLEASE!

Posted by: Chem Jeffy at December 18, 2018 04:20 PM (rr4fE)

292 I like metal, except for screamo and death growls--metal didn't start out with growling.
Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (vDqXW)

Have you ever listened to Opeth? They started with death metal growling and have turned themselves into a very creative progressive metal outfit. They've put out some really fine music.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:20 PM (NFEMn)

293 250 - I can't wait for them to propose strict gun control laws and higher taxes
Mike

Those positions are popular with immigrants. The Dems will never, ever, ever agree to anything that even slows down the immigrant flow, that's how they are turning the country blue. Look, the Dems were willing to LOSE THEIR MAJORITY to try and socialize healthcare, figuring once people got free shit it would never be undone -- and they were absolutely right. Unlike the GOPe, the Dems are committed to moving the country left.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at December 18, 2018 04:20 PM (5KWnQ)

294 To me, metal will always be motorhead
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (bQtop)

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Motorhead forever.

But, a fun fact: Lemmy always said Motorhead wasn't metal... but punk/hard rock. I don't think any of his fans agreed on that point, but whatever.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:20 PM (AzW6q)

295 278

In a perverse way you're right. I think Trump could get more stuff done with Pelosi than Ryan. But that stuff may be horrifying.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 04:20 PM (GvMX3)

296 Lou Reed made a whole career out of talking through songs.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:12 PM (NFEMn)

it was Holly from FLA that made us pay and pay.

Posted by: Kate Steinle's parents at December 18, 2018 04:21 PM (UsCnO)

297 I love the mini headline on Fox. CBP has discovered an illicit tunnel.

I guess there are licit ones then?

Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 04:21 PM (0tfLf)

298 I met Tom Selleck as a kid when the show filmed up at North Shore.

He made the show, and I saw why.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:21 PM (RU4sa)

299 Just like America.

Rock is our soul and essence.

Metal is our fire.

Both are in danger of being extinguished.
Posted by: Cato


Zamfir and the Pan Flute FTW!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:21 PM (xzezz)

300 Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar
December 18, 2018 04:17 PM (f3oO4)

Don't have Alexa, Don't do Twitter. Don't have FB. They can surely come find me, but I won't make it incredibly easy for them.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 18, 2018 04:21 PM (AllCR)

301 We're not getting the wall, I knew that after the first few weeks when Paul Ryan said he would get to it later.

Trump should have stopped that shit cold, but he was scared to death of a government shutdown.

Also, why couldn't Trump have just said WE are building the wall instead of his stupid promise Mexico would pay for it.?

Trump should just park the military on the border as Plan B.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:21 PM (UfkIY)

302 Serious question. What big wins has Trump had. I will give him tax cuts. Other than that? And I don't mean stuff like deregulation or judges. I mean a big battle with Dems where he ended up getting what he wanted passed.

I honestly don't think such a thing exists.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 04:15 PM (GvMX3)

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You are deliberately excluding two of his biggest accomplishments. Seating Kav and Gorsuch was going directly head to head with Dems and winning.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (ffYR/)

303
Then wouldn't it have made more sense to have forced the democrats to take this position back in May?


Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (CXeIv)


He's in a stronger position now than he was in May.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (TAmPV)

304 Metal/ hard rock is better work music. One co-worker plays garbage "easy listing" music your mother would appreciate.

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (/rm4P)

305 Have you ever listened to Opeth? They started with death metal growling and have turned themselves into a very creative progressive metal outfit. They've put out some really fine music.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:20 PM (NFEMn)
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Yes, Opeth is quite good. I've even stretched to mix in some of their earlier growly stuff. Anyway, Symphony X growls some too. Heck, Portnoy used to growl some for Dream Theater.

But in general, I don't like growls.

Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (vDqXW)

306 For God's sake PLEASE build the wall! My GF's family are sucking me dry! I pawned my car to buy the MIL a boob job, and she's 76! I have to eat steak nearly raw 'cause I can't afford to leave the stove on! PLEASE!
Posted by: Chem Jeffy at December 18, 2018 04:20 PM (rr4fE)

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LOL!

Shame...

On me for laughing.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (RU4sa)

307


Serious question. What big wins has Trump had. I will give him tax
cuts. Other than that? And I don't mean stuff like deregulation or
judges. I mean a big battle with Dems where he ended up getting what he
wanted passed.



Some of you people want an American President.

Some of you want an Emperor.



Posted by: mikeyG at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (LL1Be)

308 I saw Opeth live. Good show.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (AzW6q)

309 299
Zamfir and the Pan Flute FTW!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:21 PM (xzezz)


"Pfft!"

- - Charlie Puleo

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (/9p9e)

310 >>He had two years and has mostly squandered them.

What would you have suggested he do? Nothing has changed in any relevant way as to the number of votes in either the House or the Senate yet.

So go ahead, tell me what you want and I'll pretend I'm Chuck Schumer and I control the Democrats in the Senate. You need at least 8 votes from me.

So tell me what you want. Just remember the answer is always going to be NO if it in any way benefits you.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (/tuJf)

311 We have had a long standing practice of giving border jumpers rights that are accorded to citizens. They are not citizens.

Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (90T4r)

312 I like metal, except for screamo and death growls--metal didn't start out with growling.
Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (vDqXW)



I would make an exception for the late Lemmy Kilminster's growling.

The Cookie Monster growling of some USA metal bands, or worse, the Popeye the Sailor growling of Norwegian metal bands, on the other hand......

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (ujg0T)

313 But rock and metal have really fallen on hard times.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM


Dude. We're playing the Super Bowl!!!

Posted by: Maroon 5 at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (ctuyM)

314

Death metal is excellent Hippie repellent.

Posted by: Cartman at December 18, 2018 04:23 PM (rr4fE)

315 70s funk ftw.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:23 PM (RU4sa)

316 I didn't like Metal when I was young. Too loud. (I told you I was born old)

But now that I'm legit old...I'm kinda liking it. Motorhead, Iron Maiden, early Sabbath, Sabaton, Rammstein.

I partly blame/credit Razorfist for that, but I do appreciate talented guitar work. That's what really gets me, I think. Screaming and growling gets old fast. Unless it's in German. Then it's hilarious.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:23 PM (xJa6I)

317 Trump and the house democrats are going to have two years of glorious, black-eyed, broken nose, mutual choking, pillow smothering, double orgasming, glorious hate sex.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:23 PM (MTjB1)

318 301: I never did want a wall, who's gonna mow my lawn and clean the toilets?

Posted by: Snoreregard with a mint julep at December 18, 2018 04:23 PM (U7k5w)

319 He's in a stronger position now than he was in May.


On to Victory!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 04:23 PM (CXeIv)

320 Seriously though - Lady Liberty was built with donations.

I fail to see why this has to be different if need be.


But for God's sake, don't read the fucking internet history of it -
"the world" raised the funds.
And when they went to build the pedestal they discovered unexpected vaults
where it was to be built that were meant as fortification against "tanks and bombs" - in 1884.

I just can't.....my God,why are we bothering to try and save these fucking ignorant savages?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:23 PM (37IEG)

321 après moi le déluge

Posted by: Neil Gorsuch at December 18, 2018 04:24 PM (vDqXW)

322 I met Tom Selleck as a kid when the show filmed up at North Shore.

He made the show, and I saw why.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:21 PM (RU4sa)
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😍 😍 😍 😍

Posted by: bluebell at December 18, 2018 04:24 PM (U5tDi)

323 So if not a wall, what are Democrats proposing? Nothing? Well, they've defined their position.
I can't wait for them to propose strict gun control laws and higher taxes.
Posted by: Mike at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (c056A)

Has anyone on Earth ever doubted those are the Dems positions? They campaign on them.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 04:24 PM (CQ3Qb)

324 Why would I pay more money for a wall? I already pay enough in taxes.

To be honest, as much as I hate the way our borders are dealt with I am highly unlikely to be directly impacted. There just aren't that many illegals running around in my hood.

If those who have to live with this shit, and in California I mean that literally, won't support using tax dollars to protect their homes and they want to live with the gangs, the drugs, the disease and poverty that it brings to their neighborhoods then have at it.

But I'm not setting up a second tax system to pay for stuff the government already gets plenty of my money for.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (/tuJf)

The irony burns. Once you have the problem, it becomes immensely more difficult to fix it. Those illegals and their citizen offspring, become a voting base that brings in more of them. So, Jack, go ahead and keep dreaming that this isn't going to effect you. And don't cry when they vote to raise your taxes. But, hey, it's not your problem.

Posted by: Q Anon at December 18, 2018 04:24 PM (J70i0)

325 Some of you people want an American President.

Some of you want an Emperor.



Posted by: mikeyG at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (LL1Be)

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I want to be left alone.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:24 PM (RU4sa)

326 315 70s funk ftw.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:23 PM (RU4sa)

I also dig that.

Sly and the Family Stone. Isaac Hayes. Parliament. Good stuff.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:24 PM (xJa6I)

327 Look, the Dems were willing to LOSE THEIR MAJORITY to try and socialize healthcare, figuring once people got free shit it would never be undone --

Until it can no longer be paid for.

Then we get Venezuela with the appropriate reprisals.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:24 PM (xzezz)

328 Dude. We're playing the Super Bowl!!!

Posted by: Maroon 5 at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (ctuyM)

Posted by: Peaches at December 18, 2018 04:24 PM (14URa)

329 294 But, a fun fact: Lemmy always said Motorhead wasn't metal... but punk/hard rock. I don't think any of his fans agreed on that point, but whatever.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:20 PM (AzW6q)


Eh, I can kind of see it.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 04:24 PM (UnA8+)

330 So closing the government for the next two years doesn't sound too bad.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 04:24 PM (2LelM)

331 Zamfir and the Pan Flute FTW!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:21 PM


What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Kenny G at December 18, 2018 04:24 PM (ctuyM)

332 The Deep State literally crippled Jim Treacher and he's still hungry for their taint taste.

***

I imagine when the deep state tries to murder you....fails....gets caught....and tells you next time they won't fail....that it might have an affect on a man.


Speaking of which...has Trump even asked the FBI to look into the Seth Rich assassination?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:24 PM (cRkMZ)

333 Trump should just park the military on the border as Plan B.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:21 PM (UfkIY)

Close every non-Naval military base in the CONUS.

Eminent domain a 1-mile wide strip along the whole length of the border. Clear all existing structures.

Make that the Great American Military Reservation. Build bases to suit, and wall the Mexico side.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 04:25 PM (J+mig)

334
Trump blocked Hillary. That's worth a ton.

First Amendment, Second Amendment, Fourth Amendment, Supreme Court.

You think Hillary Clinton wouldn't have had her way with those?

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 04:25 PM (jYje5)

335 Just no way for an old guy to find most of it.
Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:10 PM (444To)

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If "Imagine Dragon" is you youngins version of "rock", well...... you young guys suck.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 04:25 PM (8XRCm)

336 But Trump has been singularly magnificent by himself.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

_______________

I definitely think his heart is in the right place, but he just never seems to have a plan and expects everyone to bend to his will. It's just not going to happen.

But obviously I blame GOP leadership, but anyone should have seen that a mile away. The entire campaign the GOP leadership was trying to get Hillary elected.

Trump should have said first 100 days I get my wall or you GOPe whores don't get your corporate tax cuts.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:25 PM (UfkIY)

337 But Trump has been singularly magnificent by himself.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:19 PM (/9p9e)


He's pretty much flying solo, no doubt. Who do you honestly think he can trust at this point ?

What a shitty, shitty situation.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 04:25 PM (axaxF)

338 Don't mock me or my Irano-Mexican undergrad girlfriend!

Shit. Applebee's wants me to order or GTFO.

Posted by: cumjeff at December 18, 2018 04:25 PM (Evws/)

339 what are your alternatives to Trump? He is, quite literally, this country's last chance.

Posted by: Peaches at December 18, 2018 04:02 PM (14URa)

------------------

I agree w/ all of that.

If anyone out there sees someone better than Trump, you'd better speak up.

Posted by: dDan at December 18, 2018 04:25 PM (hwYmz)

340 Death metal is excellent Hippie repellent.

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So is gangsta rap. I remember on my 23rd birthday, one of my brothers was trying to bang this hippie chick, and invited her and all her hippie friends to have a drum circle. In my home. On my birthday. I poured a glass of cognac, lit a cigar, and put on some of the nastiest shit I had. Hippies were gone in 15 minutes.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:25 PM (AzW6q)

341 I met Tom Selleck as a kid when the show filmed up at North Shore.

He made the show, and I saw why.
Posted by: SMH at D



you know it is funny how two people have such different takes on the same event. Tom Selleck tells people he met SMH when she was a kid, even then it was obvious she was going to grow up to be hot and shoot guns.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:25 PM (MTjB1)

342 301 If Democrats have anything to say we won't, it can only be done it they don't get a word in on it. Between Rush and Rich Zeoli they give the reason Democrats want nothing but to separate President Trump and his base, if no wall gets built the base might leave Trump.

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 04:25 PM (/rm4P)

343 Some of you want an Emperor.


True. If I am to be ruled by one unelected old man I'd prefer a Caesar to the Hon. Buch M. Danno.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 04:25 PM (CXeIv)

344 Opeth put out a great album called Damnation. This is what got me into the band. Windowpane is one of the best songs in the past 20 years--and 99% of people who like rock music have never even heard it.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:26 PM (NFEMn)

345
To be honest, as much as I hate the way our borders are dealt with I am highly unlikely to be directly impacted. There just aren't that many illegals running around in my hood.


Yet

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 04:26 PM (TAmPV)

346 Lady Liberty was a gift from France, the pedestal was built by donations

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 18, 2018 04:26 PM (bQtop)

347 If you're Trump, do you fight this out until the Democrats completely expose themselves as anti-border security, and then run on that again?

It was his central issue in the first campaign. It would be tough to deal with the cynicism that will come of it being the core of a second campaign but--honestly I'll still vote for the candidate that at least says they want one, what with binary choices and all.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 18, 2018 04:26 PM (yL25O)

348 310: You need 50 votes and Pence, Senate can change rules to allow a majority win

Posted by: Snoreregard with a mint julep at December 18, 2018 04:26 PM (U7k5w)

349 313 Dude. We're playing the Super Bowl!!!
Posted by: Maroon 5 at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (ctuyM)

Only because literally EVERY OTHER MUSIC ACT turned it down in solidarity with Krapperdick.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 04:26 PM (UnA8+)

350 277
I saw Jim Treacher sucking cocks to get backstage at a Sammy Hagar concert at Six Flags back in 08!

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:18 PM (444To)

no, that was Cory Booker.
that line was long.

Posted by: Kate Steinle's parents at December 18, 2018 04:26 PM (UsCnO)

351 >>70s funk ftw.


You need a copy of Soul Slabs Vol I. (Colemine Records).

Modern throwback funk/soul bands. Killer. Not a bad track on that 2 x LP sampler.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:26 PM (YBVcA)

352 Then we get Venezuela with the appropriate reprisals.
Posted by: rickb223

Sigh. You are right, we get Venezuela, but that means we get a commie dictatorship of some sort, and they are gleefully willing to starve people for decades before they go down. Look at Cuba.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at December 18, 2018 04:27 PM (5KWnQ)

353 Dude. We're playing the Super Bowl!!!
Posted by: Maroon 5 at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (ctuyM)



Dude. You suck harder than a Dyson.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 04:27 PM (F4u7C)

354 343
Some of you want an Emperor.


And a whole bunch of YOU zeros want your Mama.


Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:27 PM (37IEG)

355

Kevin McCarthy is eager to become Failure Theater's new star.

The only upside to McCarthy is he'll probably lose his seat in 2020.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:27 PM (kyzbF)

356 I hate you!

I hate you more!

I hate the republican cucks most!

Me too! Lets legislate this bitch!

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:27 PM (MTjB1)

357 Bluebell,
Swooning does not become you.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 04:27 PM (0tfLf)

358 Some of you people want an American President.



Some of you want an Emperor.

***

The value of representative government is that over the long term it has proven to be the form of government that best represents and protects our God given rights.

But it has no value in and off itself - and people that fetishize democracy should really, really think about that.


Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:27 PM (cRkMZ)

359 I'll pay for the wall with my middle class tax cut!

Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 04:27 PM (nID3z)

360 I definitely think his heart is in the right place, but he just never seems to have a plan



He's made himself a billionaire three times over because he doesn't have a plan.

Yeah. Right.

More like crazy like a fox.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:28 PM (xzezz)

361
I hope the SJW types get a listen to the Maroon Five song 'Brick' in the next couple of weeks.

It's about as anti-abortion as they get.

They call her name at seven thirty
I pace around the parking lot
Then I walk down to buy her flowers
And sell some gifts that I got
...snip...
As weeks went by
It showed that she was not fine
They told me son it's time to tell the truth
She broke down and I broke down
'Cause I was tired of lying
Driving home to her apartment
For the moment we're alone
She's alone
I'm alone
Now I know it

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 04:28 PM (jYje5)

362 you know it is funny how two people have such different takes on the same event. Tom Selleck tells people he met SMH when she was a kid, even then it was obvious she was going to grow up to be hot and shoot guns.
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:25 PM (MTjB1)

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LOL!

That is sweet of you.

Thanks for the laugh.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:28 PM (RU4sa)

363 Maybe maroon 5 can get Nickeleback to join the extravaganza

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 18, 2018 04:28 PM (bQtop)

364 346
Lady Liberty was a gift from France, the pedestal was built by donations

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 18, 2018 04:26 PM (bQtop)
Sorry, yes.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:28 PM (37IEG)

365 Here you go:

Charlie Brown Heavy Metal Christmas

https://youtu.be/Ni_-u9JPsOk

You're welcome.

Posted by: bluebell at December 18, 2018 04:28 PM (U5tDi)

366 Visa over-stays are a serious issue, but not the biggest one - and there *is no* "biggest one". They're all important, all easily addressed, progress on all would be very synergistic. Border barriers address completely different problems not involved with visa violations.


And "internal enforcement" doesn't even address everything. Barring a level of enforcement that is unlikely to inconceivable, *even magically assuming* "sanctuary" lawlessness is eliminated (um, it's expanding).


But observing even this crowd discuss the topic perfectly illustrates exactly how we got here. Doesn't affect me directly/tomorrow (this is behind many ills, including the continuation of the O-care disaster). Oh, I'll take this vs. that (this and that BOTH are needed, and easily accomplished if the effort were made).


And pooh-poohing the darkest forecasts on this situation ignores reality. Last month was the record for illegal migrant families exploiting what is essentially a fake-asylum Golden Ticket to illegal migration. The "Trump effect" disappeared from general illegal cross-border activity months ago. There will be no asylum law fix (there MIGHT be a judicial fix for the absurd ruling blocking implementation of Trump's emergency regulatory fix). There will be no real barrier where there isn't already. Mexico clearly got their USMCA without being forced to make a deal on illegal mass migration.



Posted by: rhomboid at December 18, 2018 04:28 PM (QDnY+)

367 We could divert to 200 billion going to benefits for illegal aliens in the U.S. Make sure the wall is huge and bigly.

Posted by: Darth Randall at December 18, 2018 04:28 PM (p0nVR)

368 UMM PDT Had Obamacare destroyed but No Name voted No

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (BqBId)

369 There is only so much one man can do when the entire political, financial, and corporate establishments are adamant about open borders and one-world government.

Posted by: rickl at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (xjiRE)

370 Hey! You got failure in my betrayal! No, you got betrayal in my failure!

Two great tastes that go great together.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (CXeIv)

371
True. If I am to be ruled by one unelected old man I'd prefer a Caesar to the Hon. Buch M. Danno.
___

I wasn't going to mention that yet but oh what the hell.

As of next week I'll officially be a woman so...there you h8ters!

Posted by: Hon. Belinda M. Danno at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (cRkMZ)

372 I met you bluebell.

You as much of a swooning type as I am.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (RU4sa)

373
Posted by: Gritty

I told you to shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (kyzbF)

374 >>The irony burns. Once you have the problem, it becomes immensely more difficult to fix it. Those illegals and their citizen offspring, become a voting base that brings in more of them. So, Jack, go ahead and keep dreaming that this isn't going to effect you. And don't cry when they vote to raise your taxes. But, hey, it's not your problem.

Don't get burned. You still haven't answered why I should pay a premium to get what the very generous amount of money I already give to DC doesn't get me.

Or course it's a problem that affects all of us and I said I wanted them to deal with it. They've only had 50 fucking years. But no, the answer is not for me to pay more while others continue not to pay even basic taxes but are content to live under the umbrella of safety and services that those of us who do pay taxes already pay for.

If you want to fund the wall on your own, have at it. Maybe next you can chip in a few dollars to pay for the other things you want your tax dollars to be used for but aren't. We could make a list.

That's not irony. That's stupidity.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (/tuJf)

375 Democracy... two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.......

Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (90T4r)

376 The ethnic cleansing has to get a lot more obvious before anything gets done. Unfortunately that means the solutions will be a lot more painful

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (z2W2E)

377 Gorsuch, yes. Not as sure about Kavanaugh. Trump might have thrown the Dems into the brier patch.
Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 04:17 PM (vDqXW)



But then WHY did the Commiecrats go to such lengths to smear him? To me that is the True Sign of A Good Justice. See Thomas, Clarence.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (ujg0T)

378 I remember the first time I met Tom Selleck. He says ... "JayDub - sorry kid - you just ain't gonna' be an SMH. Not in the cards. But you can resist the urge to rat-fuck the MRE box ... and maybe, just maybe, grow a kick-ass mustache like mine'"

And so I did.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (axaxF)

379 And a whole bunch of YOU zeros want your Mama.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:27 PM


Ahem. Let me be clear, I believe *I* was the one who first brought this up in public discourse a few weeks ago.

Credit where credit is due, please.

Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (ctuyM)

380 was driving through the middle of somewhere and had the radio on. the two hosts were talking about how tax dollars were spent. the wee both in agreement that they would like their tax dollars to be spend on jdam tail kits.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (MTjB1)

381 336 But Trump has been singularly magnificent by himself.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

_______________

I definitely think his heart is in the right place, but he just never seems to have a plan and expects everyone to bend to his will. It's just not going to happen.

But obviously I blame GOP leadership, but anyone should have seen that a mile away. The entire campaign the GOP leadership was trying to get Hillary elected.

Trump should have said first 100 days I get my wall or you GOPe whores don't get your corporate tax cuts.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:25 PM (UfkIY)


For a guy allegedly with no plan, look what he did. His dismantling of dozens or hundreds of bureaucratic regs alone is golden.

He's no dope and his plan was border security, national security and setting the economic engine free from the bureaucratic tyranny.

He was sabotaged by the GOP as well as the Deep Staters and even big billionaires and Wall Street intentionally taking it in the shorts to screw the economy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (/9p9e)

382 Why would I pay more money for a wall? I already pay enough in taxes.

But I'm not setting up a second tax system to pay for stuff the government already gets plenty of my money for.
Posted by: JackStraw

__________

It's just political posturing because otherwise the Democrats would have to admit they want to be invaded if they didn't bring up the budget nonsense.

But good to know if it's not up in your face, it's not your problem. Believe me, illegals don't stay near the border once they get in.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (UfkIY)

383 Bluebell,
Swooning does not become you.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 04:27 PM (0tfLf)
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Yikes. Looks like I have to adjust the post-it note over my computer's camera again.

Posted by: bluebell at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (U5tDi)

384
Posted by: Gritty

Fuckface, I was on to you hours ago.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (kyzbF)

385 @355

I will donate 500 bucks to whoever primaries that piece of shit and to the Democrat if necessary to get rid of that shit bird.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (qxq6t)

386 Sad fact its a rare band that isn't a SJW.

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (/rm4P)

387 He's in a stronger position now than he was in May.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (TAmPV)

Is that a joke? Good lord.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (CQ3Qb)

388 I WANT a constitutional government, with respect for the rule of law, where the law is applied evenly and without bias. Where citizens are left free to improve themselves, enjoy themselves and advance or sink as they choose.

What we HAVE is a kelptocracy. If it takes an Emperor to resolve that, if it takes Purge Night to resolve that, I'll take it over this continued one-party rule. Let my tyrants be open tyrants, who rule by open force and let us choose sides and fight, win or die.

I'm tired of the lies and the corruption and the diseased sodomy that's been inflicted on the body politic.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (xJa6I)

389 Haven't watched either, and won't. Those shows were vehicles for their stars. No star? No vehicle.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 18, 2018 04:16 PM (fDU8w)



The original Hawaii Five Oh had an incredible lifespan for a TV series--almost Gunsmoke or Law and Order long.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (ujg0T)

390 But it has no value in and off itself - and people that fetishize democracy should really, really think about that.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:27 PM (cRkMZ)

Exactly that. Representative government is a means to an end, and the end is protecting the rights of the people.

If it fails that duty, it has no redeeming value, as the nation will already be under some form of tyranny.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (J+mig)

391 Brick is by Ben Folds Five.

You want a good anti-abortion song?

"From Womb to Waste" by Dying Fetus.

"The Unseen" by Geto Boys.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (AzW6q)

392 364
346

Lady Liberty was a gift from France, the pedestal was built by donations



Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 18, 2018 04:26 PM (bQtop)
Sorry, yes.


Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:28 PM (37IEG)
I got so pissed at discovering "the world" did it and that they discovered old fortifications on the island that weren't on the 'plans' that were built to protect people from flucking TANKS (and they probably thought the bombs were delivered by plane, but I can't be sure of that) in 1884.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (37IEG)

393 I told you to shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (kyzbF)
Flamewar!

Posted by: Peaches at December 18, 2018 04:31 PM (14URa)

394 344 Opeth put out a great album called Damnation. This is what got me into the band. Windowpane is one of the best songs in the past 20 years--and 99% of people who like rock music have never even heard it.

I think Still Life might just be the best metal album of the past 30 years. Blackwater Park is up there too.

Damnation is good, but being mellowed out all the way through it's an outlier during that period of their career.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 18, 2018 04:31 PM (t2P6q)

395 387

Sadly I don't think it is.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 04:31 PM (GvMX3)

396 389
The original Hawaii Five Oh had an incredible lifespan for a TV series--almost Gunsmoke or Law and Order long.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (ujg0T)

10 year run, IIRC 68-78.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:31 PM (/9p9e)

397 Soothy,

He's not worth it.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:31 PM (RU4sa)

398 You as much of a swooning type as I am.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (RU4sa)
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I don't know, SMH - if I had met Tom Selleck back when he was filming Hawaii Five-O, I think I would have gone wobbly in the knees.

Posted by: bluebell at December 18, 2018 04:31 PM (U5tDi)

399 Sad fact its a rare band that isn't a SJW.
Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (/rm4P)

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"Ten Years After" comes to mind.

After that???

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 04:31 PM (8XRCm)

400 head lice, woe and Honduran tortillas
Posted by: wth at December 18, 2018 04:09 PM (HgMAr)


And exotic ticks and mosquitoes, and e. coli and cyclospora. Don't forget the cyclospora.

Posted by: Chuck Schumer at December 18, 2018 04:32 PM (/qEW2)

401
10 year run, IIRC 68-78.

1980.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:32 PM (kyzbF)

402 Wall St indexes going down isn't them taking it in the shorts.

It's them transferring the profits from all suckers into their bank accounts.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 18, 2018 04:32 PM (1ISKN)

403 Talk metal all you want...
I'm telling ya, Big Band is making a comeback!!!


*taps fingers on desk with clarinet sitting near by*

Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 04:32 PM (0tfLf)

404 Honestly y'all, what did you expect? Trump sending in the 82nd Airborne to arrest Congress and the Ninth Circuit? (Though it may come to that yet.) He's almost literally having to do it all himself--Congress is against him (even when it pretends not to be), half the Executive agencies are against him, the courts are a clusterf***, the media's been all-out from day one...

It's a miracle it's gone as well as it has.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 18, 2018 04:32 PM (AM1GF)

405 398 You as much of a swooning type as I am.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (RU4sa)
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I don't know, SMH - if I had met Tom Selleck back when he was filming Hawaii Five-O, I think I would have gone wobbly in the knees.

Posted by: bluebell at December 18, 2018 04:31 PM (U5tDi)


Um, Selleck was not on that show. He did Magnum PI in the early 80s.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:32 PM (/9p9e)

406 The ethnic cleansing has to get a lot more obvious before anything gets
done. Unfortunately that means the solutions will be a lot more painful
***


Unfortunately our current elite are intent on using the same solutions communist Yugolsavia used.


I'm sure they'll work just as well too...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:33 PM (cRkMZ)

407
But then WHY did the Commiecrats go to such lengths to smear him? To me that is the True Sign of A Good Justice. See Thomas, Clarence.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (ujg0T)

I see your point and it I hope it holds. But it is possible that the Dems lost their shit because they lose their shit with everything Trump does or proposes.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:33 PM (NFEMn)

408 378 I remember the first time I met Tom Selleck. He says ... "JayDub - sorry kid - you just ain't gonna' be an SMH. Not in the cards. But you can resist the urge to rat-fuck the MRE box ... and maybe, just maybe, grow a kick-ass mustache like mine'"

And so I did.
Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 04:29 PM (axaxF)

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rofl

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:33 PM (RU4sa)

409 Jack Lord.....

Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 04:33 PM (90T4r)

410 I'm telling ya, Big Band is making a comeback!!!

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Werent they that weird Aussie band from the 80's??

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 04:33 PM (8XRCm)

411 Jeezus.

Another bloody Eeyore thread in need of a Pamprin and herb tea.


Posted by: mikeyG at December 18, 2018 04:33 PM (LL1Be)

412 391 Brick is by Ben Folds Five.

You want a good anti-abortion song?

"From Womb to Waste" by Dying Fetus.

"The Unseen" by Geto Boys.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (AzW6q)

...

Legal Kill by King's X

Posted by: TexasDan at December 18, 2018 04:33 PM (yL25O)

413 Wall St indexes going down isn't them taking it in the shorts.

It's them transferring the profits from all suckers into their bank accounts.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at D




that is not how it works.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:33 PM (MTjB1)

414 Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 04:28 PM (jYje5)

'Brick' is by 'Ben Folds Five'

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:33 PM (xJa6I)

415 Trump was definitely worth the price of admission, don't get me wrong.

The judges alone. Had Hillary gotten 2 SC nominations (plus all the other federal judges) our country would be done.

The tax cut was nice as well (but bungled somewhat as a giveaway to the MegaCorps) should have been bigger and targeted to small business and individuals instead of a temporary cut for us but a permanent cut for Google and Facebook.

I just knew we'd have 2 years and Paul Ryan would fuck it up, and I wasn't disappointed. If i could see this a mile away, why didn't Trump?

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:33 PM (UfkIY)

416 >>Selleck was not on that show. He did Magnum PI in the early 80s.


She is thinking of Stacey Keech.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (YBVcA)

417 Selleck was Magnum.

Jack Lord was in Hawaii 5-0.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (RU4sa)

418 Let a smile be your umbrella, the Christmas time is not the time for such anger. Give your $80!

Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (nID3z)

419
Dude. We're playing the Super Bowl!!!

Posted by: Maroon 5 at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (ctuyM)


The ironic thing is that the decrease in watching the NFL, and the decrease in attendance at games, will eventually mean the salary cap will peak, and then decrease. Ratings are still down around 20% from 2 years ago, and many stadiums are half-empty or worse, with a quarter of the regular season to go.

All the SJW performers are boycotting this year's halftime, because of "kneeling".

Thus, accelerating the time when the players will lose money.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (UsCnO)

420

Since my spine removal operation I am no longer cock curious.

Plus, I can now lick my own bunghole!

I recommend it. The spine removal, not licking my bunghole. Although...

Posted by: Cock Curious Cuck Cruise Captain Crystol at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (rr4fE)

421 Talk metal all you want...
I'm telling ya, Big Band is making a comeback!!!


*taps fingers on desk with clarinet sitting near by*
Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 04:32 PM (0tfLf)

You have to give rock some credit. The rock era outlasted the Big Band era by a factor of 10.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (NFEMn)

422 That's exactly how it works. They are selling, and the prices go down.

Only the suckers are left holding shares.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (1ISKN)

423 @407

And for the most part, going scorched earth never really does any damage to them.


So why not turn it up to 11 on every damn thing.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (qxq6t)

424 Laverne is dead but Hillary still lives.

Santa better get off of his ass.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (Z+IKu)

425 I don't know, SMH - if I had met Tom Selleck back when he was filming Hawaii Five-O, I think I would have gone wobbly in the knees.
Posted by: bluebell at December 18, 2018 04:31 PM


ISWYDT.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (ctuyM)

426 Honestly y'all, what did you expect?

***

Instruct the Army to start building the wall.


Close a number of over seas bases and build new ones along the border.


Get serious about identity theft (used by illegals).

All of which he can do whenever he feels he wants to.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (cRkMZ)

427 >>But good to know if it's not up in your face, it's not your problem. Believe me, illegals don't stay near the border once they get in.

I'm just happy there are good people like you who will fund things above any beyond your tax dollars.

Some of you are whining that Trump is folding by not demanding government do it's damn job and then turning right around and saying, no bother, we'll just pay for it ourselves. Exactly who is folding?

Yea, I can't see any problem with going that route. We need a couple more nuclear subs. When will that GoFundMe page be set up?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (/tuJf)

428 Trump sending in the 82nd Airborne to arrest Congress and the Ninth Circuit?

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Well, I don't expect it... but I'd be absolutely fine with that outcome.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (AzW6q)

429 I don't know, SMH - if I had met Tom Selleck back when he was filming Hawaii Five-O, I think I would have gone wobbly in the knees.

Posted by: bluebell at D




(long slow whistle)

that is not an easy mistake to make.

may be a first for the entire internets.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (MTjB1)

430 My kids are semi fluent in Spanish. So they have that going for them.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 04:00 PM (GvMX3)


Why couldn't France or Germany have colonized Central America? I hate the sound of Spanish, it's ugly to my ears. And if Germany had colonized it, there'd probably be a net migration of Americans there, due to its vibrant economy. Maybe I need to attempt an alternate history thingy.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (/qEW2)

431 The previous administration was able to find a lot more than this piddly amount to send on pallets to Iran so they could afford to build extra nukes.

I don't care if PDT steals it from the Presidential Stash, or anywhere else.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (mfOi4)

432 I haven't followed this story, because I never follow beauty pageant news.
Did the "historical entrant" win mister-ish universe?

Posted by: Downcast at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (HpxN/)

433 I don't know, SMH - if I had met Tom Selleck back when he was filming Hawaii Five-O, I think I would have gone wobbly in the knees.

Posted by: bluebell at December 18, 2018 04:31 PM (U5tDi)

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I was 13 or so...major tomboy phase.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (RU4sa)

434 >> Talk metal all you want...
I'm telling ya, Big Band is making a comeback!!!


Christian McBride did a Big band album not too far back. Great stuff.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (YBVcA)

435 Brick is by Ben Folds Five.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM


Maroon Five =!= Ben Folds Five.

Noted. Shit. I gotta reformat my brain now.

We gotta do something about the math in this here blog.

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (jYje5)

436 Jack Lord was in Hawaii 5-0.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (RU4sa)

I though he played keyboards in Deep Purple.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (NFEMn)

437 352 Then we get Venezuela with the appropriate reprisals.
Posted by: rickb223

Sigh. You are right, we get Venezuela, but that means we get a commie dictatorship of some sort, and they are gleefully willing to starve people for decades before they go down. Look at Cuba.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at December 18, 2018 04:27 PM (5KWnQ)



Embrace the Chilean Model, or the Francoist model at worse. I suspect the necessary duration will be shorter.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (ujg0T)

438

He's in a stronger position now than he was in May. Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 04:22 PM (TAmPV)
Is that a joke? Good lord.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (CQ3Qb)

No mister we're all going to die it isn't.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (TAmPV)

439 417 Selleck was Magnum.

Jack Lord was in Hawaii 5-0.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (RU4sa)

...

We're going to have to talk about the Rockford Files if you guys keep this up.

Posted by: TexasDan at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (yL25O)

440 The previous administration was able to find a lot more than this piddly amount to send on pallets to Iran so they could afford to build extra nukes.

I don't care if PDT steals it from the Presidential Stash, or anywhere else.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez

__________

It seems the people willing to push the envelope ultimately get what they want.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (UfkIY)

441 The ironic thing is that the decrease in watching the NFL

___

Hey we've tried everything!

Male cheerleaders, banning defense, pink ribbons. WHY ISN'T ANY OF THIS WORKING?!?


Posted by: The NFL at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (cRkMZ)

442 Democracy... two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.......
Posted by: kraken


Republic... two wolves and a heavily armed sheep voting on what's for dinner....

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (xzezz)

443 407: maybe unseal some of those ridonculous "sealed indictments". I do believe there are billions of 'em

Posted by: Snoreregard with a mint julep at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (U7k5w)

444 If Trump kicks in a matching dollar for dollar contribution for each of us I'm in.

Posted by: Deacon Bleau at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (yScAF)

445 And I would gladly contribute $80, too !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (mfOi4)

446 Um, Selleck was not on that show. He did Magnum PI in the early 80s.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:32 PM (/9p9e)
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Aack. I know that. See how addled just talking about him made me? Tom Selleck. Magnum. Yes. Yes.

Posted by: bluebell at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (U5tDi)

447 432 I haven't followed this story, because I never follow beauty pageant news.
Did the "historical entrant" win mister-ish universe?
Posted by: Downcast at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (HpxN/)

No, legit hot Filipina won.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (xJa6I)

448 No eeyore on my part..... Trump will do what it is possible to do... career politicians pretty much care about their positions, and that's what he has to work with.

Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (90T4r)

449 399
Sad fact its a rare band that isn't a SJW.

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (/rm4P)



-----



"Ten Years After" comes to mind.



After that???

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 04:31 PM (8XRCm)

No Cat Scratch Fever? Want to go kill Bambi?

Posted by: Uncle Ted at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (UsCnO)

450 If we closed the NATO bases, we could probably scrape up the troops and cash to do a wall.

The Euro's are building their mighty EU army, right? I'm sure they're prepared to deal with Vlad the Retailer.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (37IEG)

451 430 Why couldn't France or Germany have colonized Central America? I hate the sound of Spanish, it's ugly to my ears. And if Germany had colonized it, there'd probably be a net migration of Americans there, due to its vibrant economy. Maybe I need to attempt an alternate history thingy.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (/qEW2)

I actually agree with that.

Something about the Spanish language just sounds... dirty. And not in a sexual way, either.

In a "wading through Raw Sewage" sort of way.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (UnA8+)

452 I was 13 or so...major tomboy phase.
Posted by: SMH at D




yes the pun was intended

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (MTjB1)

453 >>We're going to have to talk about the Rockford Files if you guys keep this up.


Fred Dryer, FTW!

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (YBVcA)

454 She is thinking of Stacey Keech.
Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (YBVcA)


The only way to catch a doper is when you yourself become a smoker. The surest way to make them bleed is when you bust their ass and steal their weed.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (axaxF)

455 Why couldn't France or Germany have colonized Central America? I hate the sound of Spanish, it's ugly to my ears. And if Germany had colonized it, there'd probably be a net migration of Americans there, due to its vibrant economy. Maybe I need to attempt an alternate history thingy.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (/qEW2)

There are plenty of Germans in Brazil, Argentina and Chile.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:37 PM (NFEMn)

456 LOL bluebell.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:37 PM (RU4sa)

457 Some of you are whining that Trump is folding by not demanding government do it's damn job and then turning right around and saying, no bother, we'll just pay for it ourselves.

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Right. The idea of crowdfunding the wall tickles my funny-bone, but at the end of the day it doesn't solve the real problem - the way, way bigger problem than immigration, which is our government openly defying us.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:37 PM (AzW6q)

458 The previous administration was able to find a lot more than this piddly amount to send on pallets to Iran so they could afford to build extra nukes.

I don't care if PDT steals it from the Presidential Stash, or anywhere else.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez

__________

It seems the people willing to push the envelope ultimately get what they want.
Posted by: Blago


Take it from WIC for all I care.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:37 PM (xzezz)

459 431: But the DOJ would do the honorable thing and prosecute

Posted by: Snoreregard with a mint julep at December 18, 2018 04:37 PM (U7k5w)

460 I though he played keyboards in Deep Purple.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (NFEMn)

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That was Molly Bolin

Tommy Bolins sister......

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 04:37 PM (8XRCm)

461 365 Here you go:

Charlie Brown Heavy Metal Christmas

https://youtu.be/Ni_-u9JPsOk

You're welcome.
Posted by: bluebell at December 18, 2018 04:28 PM (U5tDi)



I will see you the Charlie Brown Heavy Metal Christmas , and raise you the Charlie Brown Punk Rock Christmas, with a touch of reggae thrown in!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIPGtmQFe7g

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:37 PM (ujg0T)

462 439 417 Selleck was Magnum.

Jack Lord was in Hawaii 5-0.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM (RU4sa)

...

We're going to have to talk about the Rockford Files if you guys keep this up.
Posted by: TexasDan at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (yL25O)

"this is Jim Rockford. At the tone, leave your name and message."

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:37 PM (xJa6I)

463 Jack Lord was in Hawaii 5-0.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:34 PM

=====

I though he played keyboards in Deep Purple.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM


Hawaii 5-0 --> Deep Purple --> Maroon 5.

Ta Da!

Posted by: Maroon 5 at December 18, 2018 04:37 PM (ctuyM)

464 Trump needs a wallfundme. I would drop a hundred and more for it.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 18, 2018 04:37 PM (d6PIl)

465 No, legit hot Filipina won.
___

Looking at her she appears to be about 95% Spaniard and 5% Philippino....


Posted by: The NFL at December 18, 2018 04:38 PM (cRkMZ)

466 I haven't followed this story, because I never follow beauty pageant news.
Did the "historical entrant" win mister-ish universe?
Posted by: Downcast at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (HpxN/)

You mean the female impersonator from Spain? No. A cute chick from the Philippines was the winner.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 18, 2018 04:38 PM (fDU8w)

467 And yeah, what Mikey said way up top.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 18, 2018 04:38 PM (mfOi4)

468 @440

I'm pretty confident that if Trump ordered the FED to conjure 5 bucks let alone 5 billion for the wall, that the GOP themselves would file articles of impeachment let alone the Democrats.


The GOP is a useless pile of dog shit.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 04:38 PM (qxq6t)

469 >>Tommy Bolins sister......


She's a Teaser!

...and she's got no heart at all.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:38 PM (YBVcA)

470 457: Congress would vote to convert the funds to sexual payoff slush, anyway

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 04:38 PM (U7k5w)

471 I actually agree with that.

Something about the Spanish language just sounds... dirty. And not in a sexual way, either.

In a "wading through Raw Sewage" sort of way.
Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (UnA8+)

Spanish is a beautiful language. But how can I say this? Most of the people coming here do not speak Spanish the way it's meant to be spoken. This is what we hear.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:38 PM (NFEMn)

472 /anti abortion songs

"Bodies" by the Sex Pistols

Posted by: Total Control Racist at December 18, 2018 04:39 PM (z2W2E)

473 I contributed to the Ellis Island fund back in the day.

I'll contribute to the Keep Estaban Out Fund.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:39 PM (37IEG)

474 >>>Genital amputation? Because of Invokana?

A couple days ago, I literally watched TV for the first time in six months (not bragging, kids displaced that chunk of time).

30 seconds in... "genital amputation"

Posted by: wooga at December 18, 2018 04:39 PM (WTBaJ)

475
I'd gladly pay my $83 dollar share. I'm sure my local school district paid some 'aide' that much today to deal one-on-one with some ESL POS.

With more coming, and more aides required in the coming weeks.

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 04:39 PM (jYje5)

476 Looking at her she appears to be about 95% Spaniard and 5% Philippino....


Posted by: The NFL at December 18, 2018 04:38 PM (cRkMZ)

Pero No Tiene Dong.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 18, 2018 04:39 PM (fDU8w)

477 Why couldn't France or Germany have colonized Central America?
***

Well, Germany wasn't a thing until 1870. One of the smaller pre-German states tried colonization and it failed miserably.


The French tried colonizing all over but they were never consistent enough about it to make it stick in the areas where Spain had major colonies.


Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:39 PM (cRkMZ)

478 I haven't followed this story, because I never follow beauty pageant news.
Did the "historical entrant" win mister-ish universe?
Posted by: Downcast at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (HpxN/)

No, legit hot Filipina won.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards


Did they do a Mick Dundee check?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:39 PM (xzezz)

479 But how can I say this?

----

"Everybody here speaks Mexican..... not Spanish."????

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 04:39 PM (8XRCm)

480 To be honest, as much as I hate the way our borders are dealt with I am highly unlikely to be directly impacted. There just aren't that many illegals running around in my hood.


Yet
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 04:26 PM (TAmPV)

You, are lucky.

My hometown went from 75% White 50 years ago, to 65% Hispanic now.

Many many of those illegal, and kids of illegals.

Spanish is the most spoken language in Doctors officers.

You can't get a job unless you are bilingual.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (NgKpN)

481 If Trump kicks in a matching dollar for dollar contribution for each of us I'm in.

445 And I would gladly contribute $80, too !


YAASS! Let's do it!!

Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (nID3z)

482 453 >>We're going to have to talk about the Rockford Files if you guys keep this up.


Fred Dryer, FTW!
Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (YBVcA)


"Moosie Drier!"

- - Harry Reid

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (/9p9e)

483 Until Trump comes out in epaulettes and sunglasses, he's simply not giving it his all.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (axaxF)

484 468: How is our new law partnership going, Kreplach? That MaxBOOT or DeploraBOT or whatever he calls himself, that staunch defender of 4 dimensional Roddy/Jeff/Horowitz chess said we were in business together

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (U7k5w)

485 Trump needs a wallfundme. I would drop a hundred and more for it.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 18, 2018 04:37 PM (d6PIl)

--------------

https://fundthewall.com

Currently has raised about $150k.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (ffYR/)

486 Pero No Tiene Dong.


___

Ok that's one part of a Perro I didn't ear.


Posted by: Barack Obama at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (cRkMZ)

487 Most of the people coming here do not speak Spanish the way it's meant to be spoken. This is what we hear.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:38 PM


¡Sí!

Posted by: Jeb ¡Jeb! (pronounced ¡Heb!) at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (ctuyM)

488 Trump can't get funding for the wall unless he has 10 Democrats in the Senate to vote for it. It's that simple. And Schumer is only interested in doing whatever it takes to refuse anything Trump wants that might take a single illegal out of the potential voting pool for Democrats.

OAN has been running a video of Schumer on the Senate floor back when he voted for building a wall and curtailing illegal immigration going on and on about how we MUST have border security through a wall and other means, and we must have merit based immigration. He sounds right of Trump in the video. NO one else is running that clip as far as I know, including Tucker, etc.

Once the House ends this session, Trump will not only have the Senate Dems to fight, but he'll have a House that will refuse to fund virtually anything he requests, will not produce a budget, and will simply use CR as political weapons.

I"m not sure why everyone is blaming the GOP for this, other than possibly McConnell for not changing Senate rules to allow for a simple majority. The entire current GOP could vote to fund the wall , and just 1 Democrat in the Senate says no, then it's dead.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (L/94n)

489 But Trump foolishly signed the last CR and believed the Republicans' lies.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:05 PM (kyzbF)

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I have to consider that Trump is engaging in his own failure theater here.

I'm beginning to have my doubts.

Posted by: MAGA at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (ZIrZb)

490 481 If Trump kicks in a matching dollar for dollar contribution for each of us I'm in.

445 And I would gladly contribute $80, too !

YAASS! Let's do it!!
Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (nID3z)


Can we do a cross promotion with the Moron Cookbook?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (/9p9e)

491 Aack. I know that. See how addled just talking about him made me? Tom Selleck. Magnum. Yes. Yes.
Posted by: bluebell at December 18, 2018 04:36 PM (U5tDi)

They named larger-sized condoms after that show.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:41 PM (NFEMn)

492 You couldn't GoFundMe the wall because our Tech Master Overlords would shut it down.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 18, 2018 04:41 PM (1ISKN)

493 Spanish is a beautiful language. But how can I say this? Most of the people coming here do not speak Spanish the way it's meant to be spoken. This is what we hear.
Posted by: JoeF


Local spanglish vs. Castilian Spanish.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:41 PM (xzezz)

494 so, don't build a wall, dig a ditch. fill it with piranahas. make it legal to shoot anyone in the ditch.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 04:41 PM (MTjB1)

495 YAASS! Let's do it!!
Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (nID3z)

Shitty Shitty Wang Wang.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 18, 2018 04:41 PM (fDU8w)

496 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM

How about taking the latest incarnation of Banana Splits Guy out before he shits even more on this thread?

(nID3z)

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 04:42 PM (jYje5)

497
You couldn't GoFundMe the wall because our Tech Master Overlords would shut it down.
___

Yep, 100% rayciss to build a wall.


Oh the one around my house um....historic charm not rayciss at all.

Posted by: Some Tech Oligarch at December 18, 2018 04:42 PM (cRkMZ)

498 Can we do a cross promotion with the Moron Cookbook?

Moron Cookbook donations go to the wall! YAASS!

Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 04:42 PM (nID3z)

499 @484

I'm not sure if it's a troll or just simply insane but anyway it's silly, ridiculous and becoming a bit tedious.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 04:42 PM (qxq6t)

500 Don't be such pussies. You can walk off a genital amputation.

Posted by: Janssen Pharmaceuticals at December 18, 2018 04:42 PM (zO1cf)

501
The French tried colonizing all over but they
were never consistent enough about it to make it stick in the areas
where Spain had major colonies.






Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:39 PM (cRkMZ)
The French? dude - look at how they taught the Vietnamese to use the letters in the alphabet.
NGYUEN = When?
Hell no, it was bad enough in Southeast Asia.
Oh, and for a leettlte bitty time, the French ran Mexico - and that's why we celebrate Cinco De Mayo here in America, but not in Mexico.
Lord.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:42 PM (37IEG)

502 494: Yup, that will surely pass in the House.

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 04:42 PM (U7k5w)

503 But here's the thing, this is not a funding issue.

If Trump kicked in the $5 billion himself, the Democrats would find another way to prevent the wall from being built.

But I'm all for taking away another reason from Democrats for why we can't defend our border but we can defend Koreas border and the rest of the world gets trillions in defense spending.

Had Trump been smart, he should added some sort of 1 cents sales tax to the new NAFTA to pay for border security.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:43 PM (UfkIY)

504 I'm thinking strategically places snipers could be as good as a wall.

Probably a better deterrent too.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 18, 2018 04:43 PM (1ISKN)

505 You, are lucky.

My hometown went from 75% White 50 years ago, to 65% Hispanic now.

Many many of those illegal, and kids of illegals.

Spanish is the most spoken language in Doctors officers.

You can't get a job unless you are bilingual.
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (NgKpN)

My daughter lives in Yuma, AZ.
A veritable on-ramp for illegals. Scares me to death.

Posted by: antisocialist at December 18, 2018 04:43 PM (2shuf)

506 477 Why couldn't France or Germany have colonized Central America?
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Well, Germany wasn't a thing until 1870. One of the smaller pre-German states tried colonization and it failed miserably.

The French tried colonizing all over but they were never consistent enough about it to make it stick in the areas where Spain had major colonies.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:39 PM (cRkMZ)



The Frogs did leave their mark on a large swath of Africa, but otherwise, true.

I am reminded of some graffiti I saw on a UC Berkeley restroom. Some idiot/ leftist fals flag troll had written the Naziesque "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer!" on a wall, and someone clever wrote below a reply "How about several hundred small princedoms?"

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:43 PM (ujg0T)

507 Triumvirat: Illusions on a Double Dimple. Loud.

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 18, 2018 04:43 PM (RuIsu)

508 What ever happened to the idea of taxing remittances back to Mexico 5-10% to pay for it??
Posted by: Big swingin Al at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (U45Mp)

I've seen some speculation that remittances could be taxed via existing regs. I suspect that's being looked at.

Posted by: SDN at December 18, 2018 04:43 PM (K9d/B)

509 I think there should be a AOS 2019 calendar of the 'rons.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:43 PM (RU4sa)

510 so, don't build a wall, dig a ditch.

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We have proposed a plan for the Grand North American Dignity Canal, and the labor is free.

Posted by: Ministry of Social Correction and Conquest of Nature at December 18, 2018 04:43 PM (AzW6q)

511 478 I haven't followed this story, because I never follow beauty pageant news.
Did the "historical entrant" win mister-ish universe?
Posted by: Downcast at December 18, 2018 04:35 PM (HpxN/)

No, legit hot Filipina won.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards


Did they do a Mick Dundee check?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:39 PM (xzezz)

MMm, now THERE'S a job I'd love to have...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:43 PM (xJa6I)

512
Posted by: Gritty


Dildo, President Trump is still president. And his approval ratings are good; much higher than Pelosi's and Schumer's.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:43 PM (kyzbF)

513 Oh, and for a leettlte bitty time, the French ran Mexico - and that's
why we celebrate Cinco De Mayo here in America, but not in Mexico.

***

Yeah the French saw an opportunity during the Civil War but as soon as that was over the gig was up for them....

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:44 PM (cRkMZ)

514 412 391 Brick is by Ben Folds Five.

You want a good anti-abortion song?

"From Womb to Waste" by Dying Fetus.

"The Unseen" by Geto Boys.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:30 PM (AzW6q)

...

Legal Kill by King's X
Posted by: TexasDan at December 18, 2018 04:33 PM (yL25O)



No "Silent Scream" By Slayer? I am disappointed.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:44 PM (ujg0T)

515 Spanish is a beautiful language. But how can I say this? Most of the people coming here do not speak Spanish the way it's meant to be spoken. This is what we hear.
Posted by: JoeF


Local spanglish vs. Castilian Spanish.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:41 PM (xzezz)

My exposure to Spanish has mostly been Caribbean--Puerto Rican, Dominican--and the way they speak Spanish is very fast and angry sounding....harsh.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:44 PM (NFEMn)

516 You, are lucky.

My hometown went from 75% White 50 years ago, to 65% Hispanic now.

Many many of those illegal, and kids of illegals.

Spanish is the most spoken language in Doctors officers.

You can't get a job unless you are bilingual.
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (NgKpN)

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I live in western North Carolina, historically 95% white. Go to my son's elementary school, at least 1/3rd foreigners.

Posted by: MAGA at December 18, 2018 04:44 PM (ZIrZb)

517 Trump can't get funding for the wall unless he has 10 Democrats in the Senate to vote for it. It's that simple.
Posted by: Jen the original



You don't need 60 for budget items. that's been my understanding.

How did we get a trillion dollar tax cut with less than 60?

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:44 PM (UfkIY)

518 so, don't build a wall, dig a ditch. fill it with piranahas candiru.

Horde-approved.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 18, 2018 04:44 PM (AM1GF)

519 Don't think CBD would appreciate taking his name in vain, Soothy.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:44 PM (RU4sa)

520 Ines Sainz - I'm just saying.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:45 PM (37IEG)

521 The Scots should have colonized Mexico. Fuckers would be too busy trying to learn how to play a sand shot to bother coming here.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 04:45 PM (axaxF)

522 No "Silent Scream" By Slayer? I am disappointed.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:44 PM (ujg0T

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Good call... shame on me!

Posted by: Ministry of Social Correction and Conquest of Nature at December 18, 2018 04:45 PM (AzW6q)

523

Posted by: Gritty


Dildo, no one can defeat Trump in 2020. No one.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:45 PM (kyzbF)

524 The Frogs did leave their mark on a large swath of Africa.

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Da Fuq?!?

Posted by: Canada at December 18, 2018 04:46 PM (8XRCm)

525 I live in western North Carolina, historically 95% white. Go to my son's
elementary school, at least 1/3rd foreigners.

***

Americans stopped having kids.


The new "immigrants" are having fewer then they used to back home too but fewer of "a lot" is more than almost none....

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:46 PM (cRkMZ)

526
Not my fault the other Dildo chose his name poorly.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:46 PM (kyzbF)

527 I had my two.

Did my job.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:46 PM (RU4sa)

528 Yeah (laughing) go ahead and give someone associated with the government $80 for a wall...and watch how it's applied to some public assistance program for Somalis in Lewistown, Maine.

The whole point is that it was, is and will always be lip service. Any money set aside to build it will go elsewhere. But, great, give them $80.

Posted by: Orson at December 18, 2018 04:46 PM (+CHpG)

529 lol Soothy.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:46 PM (RU4sa)

530 I'll loan you my two, SMH. You can double up !!!

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 04:47 PM (axaxF)

531 OAN has been running a video of Schumer on the Senate floor back when he voted for building a wall and curtailing illegal immigration going on and on about how we MUST have border security through a wall and other means, and we must have merit based immigration. He sounds right of Trump in the video. NO one else is running that clip as far as I know, including Tucker, etc.

Once the House ends this session, Trump will not only have the Senate Dems to fight, but he'll have a House that will refuse to fund virtually anything he requests, will not produce a budget, and will simply use CR as political weapons.

I"m not sure why everyone is blaming the GOP for this, other than possibly McConnell for not changing Senate rules to allow for a simple majority. The entire current GOP could vote to fund the wall , and just 1 Democrat in the Senate says no, then it's dead.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 18, 2018 04:40 PM (L/94n)



One America News is the ONE really good cable news network.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:47 PM (ujg0T)

532 Yet

Yep. Somehow, Hazelton, PA is now 40% Hispanic with a median age of 22. Rest of the population: 44 years old.

Posted by: t-bird at December 18, 2018 04:47 PM (Ydn2k)

533
Today wasn't a bad day for us; it just wasn't a good day.

Today should've been a good day for us.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:47 PM (kyzbF)

534 521
The Scots should have colonized Mexico. Fuckers would be too busy
trying to learn how to play a sand shot to bother coming here.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 04:45 PM (axaxF)
Who can forget that famous pipe tune - "All the Tequila is over the border!"

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:48 PM (37IEG)

535 530 I'll loan you my two, SMH. You can double up !!!
Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 04:47 PM (axaxF)

---

No thanks.

I like having to deal with only a hubby and a cat.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:48 PM (RU4sa)

536 Did they do a Mick Dundee check?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:39 PM

=====

MMm, now THERE'S a job I'd love to have...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 04:43 PM


Back OFF! That job's mine!

Posted by: Shep! at December 18, 2018 04:48 PM (ctuyM)

537 One America News is the ONE really good cable news network.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:47 PM (ujg0T)

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Damn straight. They're too pro-Trump, but they cover more news better than anyone else.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:48 PM (AzW6q)

538 Americans stopped having kids.


The new "immigrants" are having fewer then they used to back home too but fewer of "a lot" is more than almost none....

Posted by: 18-1

__________

We shouldn't have to breed like rabbits to keep our country from being invaded.

The problem is not birth rates, it's Washington DC.

And truthfully, the GOP shares a lot of blame. Reagan's Amnesty in '86 for example.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:48 PM (UfkIY)

539 I live in western North Carolina, historically 95% white. Go to my son's elementary school, at least 1/3rd foreigners.

Posted by: MAGA at December 18, 2018 04:44 PM (ZIrZb)

And until that's the situation in the schools where upper-middle class, wine-sipping, college-educated WHITE suburban women send their precious Ethan's and Emily's, nothing serious will be done about immigration.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:48 PM (NFEMn)

540 Sounds like someone's been daydrinking and getting grouchy for no reason. Hey, we got this, just send in your $80!

Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 04:49 PM (nID3z)

541 No love for Chin Ho?

Posted by: wth at December 18, 2018 04:49 PM (HgMAr)

542 Trump needs a wallfundme. I would drop a hundred and more for it.


He needs a Wartime Consigliere.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 04:49 PM (CXeIv)

543 524 The Frogs did leave their mark on a large swath of Africa.
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Da Fuq?!?
Posted by: Canada at December 18, 2018 04:46 PM (8XRCm)



My Canuck in-laws loathe those kind of Froggies and won't travel east of Hull, for the record. :-D

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:49 PM (ujg0T)

544 538: Yes, Reagan's amnesty worked like a magnet.

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 04:49 PM (U7k5w)

545 OAN has been running a video of Schumer on the Senate floor back when he voted for building a wall and curtailing illegal immigration going on and on about how we MUST have border security through a wall and other means, and we must have merit based immigration. He sounds right of Trump in the video. NO one else is running that clip as far as I know, including Tucker, etc.


Facebook is. It's popped up in my timeline numerous times.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:49 PM (xzezz)

546 Sounds like someone's been daydrinking and getting grouchy for no reason. Hey, we got this, just send in your $80!
Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 04:49 PM (nID3z)

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No way dude. That's forty beejers from your mom we're talking about.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:50 PM (AzW6q)

547
Posted by: Gritty

We're only upset because you leftist cuck fucks get to live another day.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 04:50 PM (kyzbF)

548 I'd love to stay and chat - but the Hilton has a 5:00 reception. And by reception, I mean free beer.

I even put on my best work boots for this snazzy little soiree.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 04:50 PM (axaxF)

549 He needs a Wartime Consigliere.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 04:49 PM (CXeIv)

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I'd apply for that job.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 04:50 PM (RU4sa)

550 Kam Fong Forever!

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 18, 2018 04:50 PM (RuIsu)

551 We shouldn't have to breed like rabbits to keep our country from being invaded.

The problem is not birth rates, it's Washington DC.

And truthfully, the GOP shares a lot of blame. Reagan's Amnesty in '86 for example.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:48 PM (UfkIY)

The Pill+ Abortion+1965 Immigration Act got us to where we are today. I can't be convinced otherwise.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:50 PM (NFEMn)

552 http://bit.ly/2A3dfsM
******
Ethics complaints against Kavanaugh dismissed because they don't apply to Supreme Court justices | TheHill
+++++
LibTARDS know everything Hahahahahaha

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 04:50 PM (BqBId)

553 Well, Germany wasn't a thing until 1870. One of the smaller pre-German states tried colonization and it failed miserably.
...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:39 PM (cRkMZ)


Ugh, forgot about Bismarck. That's why I steer clear of the book thread when things trend historical. I'm a history ignoramus.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 04:50 PM (/qEW2)

554 We shouldn't have to breed like rabbits to keep our country from being invaded.


I couldn't afford to.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:50 PM (xzezz)

555 524
The Frogs did leave their mark on a large swath of Africa.



------



Da Fuq?!?

Posted by: Canada at December 18, 2018 04:46 PM (8XRCm)
Froggies built the Suez Canal. Screwed up large parts of North Africa.
Allowed Rick to run his cafe in Casablanca

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 04:50 PM (37IEG)

556 $5 billion? With our spendthrift government and Congress? It's just pocket change they vacuum up on the floors of the House.

They are religiously determined to screw taxpayers and legal citizens at the behest of the Socialists for the Rich aka the Chamber of Commerce.

I'm going to out-Kerplach Kerplach and say not just the GOP but our whole federal government is a useless pile of dogsh*t.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at December 18, 2018 04:51 PM (6eEQ+)

557 Just going to say the 80s mystery click is awesome. Loved that song back when it came out, still love it now.

Posted by: Kitsapbass at December 18, 2018 04:51 PM (sGtp+)

558 OT ref. last thread

On the package stealing racket, my son is a young cop. The town was getting hit by package thefts so he and a couple of others really focused and caught one. They were then actually able to "turn" that guy, set up a little sting operation, and catch the whole crew of several people.

He was skeptical, though, as to what the court would do even when handed a completely air-tight case.

Posted by: RM at December 18, 2018 04:51 PM (U3LtS)

559 We shouldn't have to breed like rabbits to keep our country from being invaded.

The problem is not birth rates, it's Washington DC.

And truthfully, the GOP shares a lot of blame. Reagan's Amnesty in '86 for example.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:48 PM (UfkIY)

We'd be at Zero Population growth if we stopped immigration.

You know, like the GREENS want? so we don't use our resources too fast?

Why do we NEED an expanding population?

Country if full, Moose out front should have told you.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 04:51 PM (NgKpN)

560 No way dude. That's forty beejers from your mom we're talking about.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice


I thought rule number one was to never pay retail?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 04:52 PM (xzezz)

561 Nood

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 04:52 PM (AzW6q)

562 Sounds like someone's been daydrinking and getting grouchy for no reason. Hey, we got this, just send in your $80!
Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 04:49 PM (nID3z)

For you, that's only 40 dicks.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 18, 2018 04:53 PM (fDU8w)

563 Trump Foundation kicks in their $1.7 million, that comes out to $79.33 per Trump voter! Too easy! Matching funds from Trump=$39.67, the wall gets built.

Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 04:54 PM (nID3z)

564 >>You don't need 60 for budget items. that's been my understanding.

>>How did we get a trillion dollar tax cut with less than 60?

They used budget reconciliation. Only takes 50 votes but there are strict rules and normal legislation like funding a wall don't apply.

For normal legislation you need 60 votes.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 04:54 PM (/tuJf)

565 We shouldn't have to breed like rabbits to keep our country from being invaded.

The problem is not birth rates, it's Washington DC.

And truthfully, the GOP shares a lot of blame. Reagan's Amnesty in '86 for example.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:48 PM (UfkIY)



In fairness, back in 1986 the Soviet Empire still looked formidable. Problems like immigration seemed quite small then. Do not view History with Perfect Hindsight, it is a short step from that to the kind of nauseating Leftist anti-American fault finding we get all the time.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:55 PM (ujg0T)

566 The Pill+ Abortion+1965 Immigration Act got us to where we are today. I can't be convinced otherwise.

***
Based on voting patterns of racial groups, if America had the same racial makeup in 2016 as in 1966 Trump would have won all 50 states and the Republicans would have super majorities in both houses of congress.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 04:55 PM (cRkMZ)

567 As I noted above, I think there would be serious legal and political and practical issues with trying to use some ill-defined national security authority to build effective barriers, with either appropriated or privately-donated funds. Not so sure about the private one - I think WWII war bonds went into the general treasury funds (as you can still donate via the tax form if you like).


And as I said since last year, one thing neither the administration nor Hill GOP has done is to "politicize" the issue the way it should be. In a way that raises its profile even more and makes votes important for incumbents (both parties). The way all big issues were always handled, until 2009 when most big votes disappeared and CRs replaced regular appropriations.


Conway slipped in one interview immediately after the March CR debacle and said Trump had been "blind-sided" by the CR lacking his key immigration items, esp. border barrier. It's plausible, though unimaginable at the same time. The legislative affairs shop could have blind-sided him and the senior staff, though how anyone from that office could be at their jobs the next day is beyond my comprehension (Trump's handling of personnel, at least on the "bye bye" side, is excellent, and business-like).


In any case there was no sense of urgency, no serious political operation (which would include primarying GOP types) surrounding this central issue that made Trump president. And now? Barring some black swans (a whole flock), as I've been saying, no real action on urgent migration issues until 2021 at the earliest.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 18, 2018 04:55 PM (QDnY+)

568 "468 @440

I'm pretty confident that if Trump ordered the FED to conjure 5 bucks let alone 5 billion for the wall, that the GOP themselves would file articles of impeachment let alone the Democrats.


The GOP is a useless pile of dog shit.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 04:38 PM (qxq6t) "




And I'm not gonna say you're wrong.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 18, 2018 05:01 PM (mfOi4)

569 We shouldn't have to breed like rabbits to keep our country from being invaded.

The problem is not birth rates, it's Washington DC.

And truthfully, the GOP shares a lot of blame. Reagan's Amnesty in '86 for example.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:48 PM (UfkIY)

The Pill+ Abortion+1965 Immigration Act got us to where we are today. I can't be convinced otherwise.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 18, 2018 04:50 PM (NFEMn)


In a lot of ways Japan mirrors us. Hi tech, civilized, sophisticated. Yet they've somehow kept their instinct for self preservation up and down the line. Washington has sold us out, as you and Blago note by mentioning Hart-Celler and Reagan. I'm sure all politicians are scummy, but ours are the worst, the shittiest. Japan, Israel, Hungary - they are not willing to destroy their own countries.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 05:01 PM (/qEW2)

570 517, here is an explanation of the crazy rules of the Senate that describes why you can pass a budget resolution with a simply majority , but you cannot enact the resolution without 60 votes. From The Economist.

https://tinyurl.com/y9j3bscf

Posted by: Jen the original at December 18, 2018 05:02 PM (L/94n)

571 We shouldn't have to breed like rabbits to keep our country from being invaded.

The problem is not birth rates, it's Washington DC.

And truthfully, the GOP shares a lot of blame. Reagan's Amnesty in '86 for example.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:48 PM (UfkIY)


In fairness, back in 1986 the Soviet Empire still looked formidable. Problems like immigration seemed quite small then. Do not view History with Perfect Hindsight, it is a short step from that to the kind of nauseating Leftist anti-American fault finding we get all the time.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 04:55 PM (ujg0T)

========

This is a fair point, but I'd rather live with the risk of mutually assured destruction than being slowly, steadily smothered to death with illegals and Muslims.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 05:08 PM (/qEW2)

572 Roth Halen > Sam Halen. But Sammy gave us the line "To me it's all just mental masturbation," which to me seems true of more and more things as I get older.

Posted by: tsj017 at December 18, 2018 05:28 PM (7ReX+)

573 515.
My grandparents were Spaniards and spoke a very pleasant Castilian Spanish. There is no comparison to the harsh 'Spanish' spoken by Mexicans, central Americans, and most natives from the Spanish speaking Caribbean islands.

Posted by: Martell at December 18, 2018 05:30 PM (+vC6L)

574 Everybody is all upset about that 10 billion dollars in Aid to Mexico...what if Trump arranges for Mexico to give it back to the US for a border wall. may not happen but it would be genius...and boy would the Democrats howl...waking up now...

Posted by: Sidney Allen Johnson at December 18, 2018 05:30 PM (NkLx8)

Garage Engineer Builds Glitter/Stink Bomb "Bait" Package to Get Vengeance Against Thieves

I find this unsatisfying because it appears no action was taken to actually get the thieves arrested. It's treated as if they were just mischief makers, and deserve mischief in return.

They don't. They deserve an arrest.

Still, it's all pretty ingenious.

If you're interested in his other big viral invention -- the dartboard that calculates the exact trajectory of the dart you've thrown and moves itself to score you a bullseye every time -- it's here.

This is an interesting video too -- debunking a totally fake video of a supposed two-propeller flying case for a cell phone, and then building a real live working one.

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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:51 PM (GBteo)

2 The v2.0 with half a pound of C4 and ball-bearings will be fun, too.

Posted by: David Gillies at December 18, 2018 02:51 PM (Jipp3)

3 and i read the content.

Now time to watch the video.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:51 PM (GBteo)

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I agree with Ace.

This kind of hijinks is not appropriate for criminals.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 02:51 PM (kyzbF)

5 A stinkbomb would have been better.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 02:52 PM (BXMxN)

6 Neal Boortz used to package dog poop and wrap it nicely and leave it on the seat of his unlocked car every Christmas.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 02:52 PM (ptqGC)

7
AIDS woulda been better.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 02:53 PM (kyzbF)

8 >>AIDS woulda been better.


It's the gift that keeps on giving throughout the entire year.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 02:54 PM (KU8BG)

9 A stinkbomb would have been better.
Posted by: steevy



It sprayed synthetic fart every 30 seconds.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 02:54 PM (xzezz)

10 We watched this last night at my house. My preferance would have been for shrapnel grenade.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 18, 2018 02:54 PM (oVJmc)

11 The v2.0 with half a pound of C4 and ball-bearings will be fun, too.


Flame Fougasse.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 02:54 PM (bwqT/)

12 Let's piss off a criminal and leave him out on the street right when he's maddest.

Posted by: DaveA at December 18, 2018 02:55 PM (FhXTo)

13 IHOP has vowed not to advertise on Tucker Carlson

Posted by: Getwokegobroke at December 18, 2018 02:55 PM (y0RKM)

14 Pit with pungee sticks works just as well.

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 02:55 PM (7HtZB)

15 why all the work of a glitter bomb?


just shoot them!

Posted by: practical homeowner at December 18, 2018 02:55 PM (UsCnO)

16 IHOP has vowed not to advertise on Tucker Carlson


What about IHOB?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 02:55 PM (bwqT/)

17

Extremely sharp clear plastic fragments covered with HIV and dog shit... have fun debriding THAT!

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 18, 2018 02:55 PM (rr4fE)

18 13 IHOP has vowed not to advertise on Tucker Carlson
Posted by: Getwokegobroke at December 18, 2018 02:55 PM (y0RKM)

Well I guess I'll have to continue to not eat there.

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 02:56 PM (7HtZB)

19 Glitter stink bomb. Isn't that really the story of Obama?

Posted by: ... at December 18, 2018 02:56 PM (fJD5I)

20 A stinkbomb would have been better.
Posted by: steevy



It sprayed synthetic fart every 30 seconds.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 02:54 PM (xzezz)

what ever that tar the little dinosaur spit in Jurassic park...

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 02:56 PM (8D42x)

21 >>Pit with pungee sticks works just as well.


Better if the pungee are coated with feces.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 02:56 PM (KU8BG)

22 Screw IHOP and their leftie masters.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 02:56 PM (UsCnO)

23 Tucker says they won't crater to the SJW mob.

We'll see what FOX says about that......

Posted by: Winger at December 18, 2018 02:56 PM (F4u7C)

24 Those aren't package theives, they're undocumented delivery workers.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 18, 2018 02:56 PM (KUaJL)

25 The "victims" all seem to express their frustrations and their need to be rid of the thing... almost too perfectly and conveniently... as if they're all paid actors.

I think the gadget itself is real but the victims are fake.

Posted by: weew at December 18, 2018 02:56 PM (EaEMG)

26 Delivery is great if I am home to receive it, not so much if it sits on the porch for six hours.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 02:57 PM (hLRSq)

27 I think all the shit he put in that package makes it worth more than anything these two stole.


I can't believe that the cops said that it wasn't worth their time to investigate a recorded theft. WTF?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 02:57 PM (ndSD+)

28 Some companies make enough money that they can piss off half their potential customers & not care.

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 02:57 PM (7HtZB)

29 Wail til I perfect my Piranha Bomb.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 18, 2018 02:57 PM (P1AAi)

30 A stinkbomb would have been better.
Posted by: steevy
..............

skunk stink

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 02:57 PM (so+oy)

31 IHOP sucks anyway so I can't boycott a place I already avoid.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 02:58 PM (BXMxN)

32 Two words: Spider Bomb

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 02:58 PM (ptqGC)

33 If you're interested in his other big viral invention -- the dartboard that calculates the exact trajectory of the dart you've thrown and moves itself to score you a bullseye every time

That's sort of pathetic.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 02:58 PM (ndSD+)

34 "Get the thieves arrested": He said that when he had previously taken a video of a porch-package-thief to the police, they told him they couldn't do anything. So getting the thieves arrested seems not to be an option--and inspired him to go this route instead.

Posted by: m at December 18, 2018 02:58 PM (Q7mSB)

35 27 I think all the shit he put in that package makes it worth more than anything these two stole.


I can't believe that the cops said that it wasn't worth their time to investigate a recorded theft. WTF?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 02:57 PM (ndSD+)

Non violent crimes aren't crimes anymore in Boston & other left wing cities. Because racism

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 02:58 PM (7HtZB)

36 I rate all three as 'cool'

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:58 PM (xJa6I)

37 IIRC, he created the package because he went to the cops and the cops did nothing to get the people who stole his package.

Vigilantism it is then.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 18, 2018 02:59 PM (mf5HN)

38 Was that smell?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 02:59 PM (/tuJf)

39 "Get the thieves arrested": He said that when he had previously taken a video of a porch-package-thief to the police, they told him they couldn't do anything. So getting the thieves arrested seems not to be an option--and inspired him to go this route instead.
Posted by: m


Instead of glitter bombing, it should have slung liquified cow shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:00 PM (xzezz)

40 I've been considering putting a metal box and a BoxLock on my porch.

http://bit.ly/2QIgIr7

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 03:00 PM (bwqT/)

41 isn't it interesting to note the police can't be bothered to actually do anything about this.

Yeah.

Think about that for a minute and let it sink in.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 03:00 PM (37IEG)

42 We need flying sharks, with lasers, perched on the roofs.

And they carry electric eels under their fins.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 03:00 PM (hLRSq)

43 Non violent crimes aren't crimes anymore in Boston & other left wing cities. Because racism

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 02:58 PM (7HtZB)


If it came via the USPS (even just as a hand-off) then it's a federal crime.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 03:00 PM (ndSD+)

44 'As seen on Shark Tank!'

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 03:00 PM (bwqT/)

45 IIRC, he created the package because he went to the cops and the cops did nothing to get the people who stole his package.

Vigilantism it is then.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around.


Expect much more of this. Except with less glitter. And probably more blood.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 18, 2018 03:00 PM (AM1GF)

46 Rumor has it that there are rats in most IHOP kitchens.

It is only a rumor.


What is this item on the menu, "furry sausage?"


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 03:01 PM (UsCnO)

47 I expect someone will sue him for getting glitter in their eyes.

Posted by: m at December 18, 2018 03:01 PM (Q7mSB)

48 I've been considering putting a metal box and a BoxLock on my porch.

http://bit.ly/2QIgIr7
Posted by: Grump928


Don't forget the pit bull that goes in the box.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:01 PM (xzezz)

49 I wonder if a small thermobaric device would be practical at that size?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 18, 2018 03:01 PM (AM1GF)

50 But if the thief was injured by the glitter bomb, boy howdy would the police take an interest....in the "bomb" maker.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 03:02 PM (ptqGC)

51 howdy yall!

how's the Horde?

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 18, 2018 03:02 PM (d7Ww2)

52 I expect someone will sue him for getting glitter in their eyes.

Posted by: m at December 18, 2018 03:01 PM (Q7mSB)


Yep. They'll end up getting his house in the settlement.

Because that's the sort of society we have fallen to ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 03:02 PM (ndSD+)

53 What is this item on the menu, "furry sausage?"
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg


By and large, furries are inedible. Which is for the best.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 18, 2018 03:02 PM (AM1GF)

54 The cops do nothing.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 03:02 PM (BXMxN)

55 I believe the vids are shot in the San Francisco Bay Area. Thanks to Props 47/57 that passed a few years back, thefts and car break-ins have shot up astronomically..

Combined with over-crowding, stretched-thin police forces and extra liberal local politics, the police won't do anything if you're a victim of theft. This is the norm out here.

Posted by: other joe_mama at December 18, 2018 03:02 PM (9j5yw)

56 They collect revenue.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 03:03 PM (BXMxN)

57 I wonder if a small thermobaric thermite device would be practical at that size?
Posted by: Brother Cavil



Fixed for accuracy.

Burn a hole all the way thru the car.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:03 PM (xzezz)

58
But if the thief was injured by the glitter bomb, boy howdy would the police take an interest....in the "bomb" maker.
Posted by: Jane D'oh


Under certain circumstances it would be considered a "hate crime."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 18, 2018 03:03 PM (aKsyK)

59 I believe the vids are shot in the San Francisco Bay Area. Thanks to Props 47/57 that passed a few years back, thefts and car break-ins have shot up astronomically..

Combined with over-crowding, stretched-thin police forces and extra liberal local politics, the police won't do anything if you're a victim of theft. This is the norm out here.

Posted by: other joe_mama at December 18, 2018 03:02 PM (9j5yw)


10:1 this guy voted for the people who support all this crap, too.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 03:03 PM (ndSD+)

60 Just wanted to point out for those who have already left the last thread.

This woman wound up as a personal assistant to Jeffrey Epstien. You know what that means.

I see this article as a limited hang-out exercise. Trying to get ahead of some upcoming news.

"Open and thoughtful, Engelhardt unspools a life story that took root in a strict German immigrant household and blossomed into a Zelig-esque series of adventures as she attempted to break into modeling: partying with Iman, jet-setting with Adnan Khashoggi, dining with Stephen King, working as a personal assistant to Jeffrey Epstein, the billionaire financier later convicted for soliciting an underage girl. Following her time with Allen, she went on to become a platonic muse to Federico Fellini during the auteur's late-life journeys in Rome and Tulum, Mexico, then spent years tending to egos as a hostess in the executive dining room at Paramount before landing her current gig, working as an assistant for producer Bob Evans. What's made her attractive to these powerful men, both personally and professionally, she posits, is in part what Allen appreciated in the first place: "I was pretty enough, I was smart enough, I was nonconfrontational, I was non-judgmental, I was discreet, and nothing shocks me."

Posted by: Options at December 18, 2018 03:04 PM (pAtdo)

61

What's the latest fake outrage regarding Tucker?

Is it the remark that illegals make our country "dirtier?"

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:04 PM (kyzbF)

62 25 The "victims" all seem to express their frustrations and their need to be rid of the thing... almost too perfectly and conveniently... as if they're all paid actors.

I think the gadget itself is real but the victims are fake.
Posted by: weew at December 18, 2018 02:56 PM (EaEMG)

I don't think so, but I don't have proof. But it clear that he edited the examples, so you could imagine that he kept the ones that seemed to illustrate his point best.

Posted by: m at December 18, 2018 03:04 PM (Q7mSB)

63 Snake bombs just to be sure.

Posted by: Cheri at December 18, 2018 03:04 PM (G+Wff)

64 The front door trap from the movie The Book of Eli.

Posted by: davidt at December 18, 2018 03:05 PM (jGvbj)

65 fart spray! cool!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 03:05 PM (so+oy)

66 Fart Spray. Stuff I learn about here. Stocking Stuffers?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:06 PM (2LelM)

67 I'm surprised any conservative gets any ad revenue at allat this point.We are unpeople.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 03:06 PM (BXMxN)

68 34 "Get the thieves arrested": He said that when he had previously taken a video of a porch-package-thief to the police, they told him they couldn't do anything. So getting the thieves arrested seems not to be an option--and inspired him to go this route instead.
Posted by: m at December 18, 2018 02:58 PM (Q7mSB)

A few years ago, several of us in my building had packages stolen over a few week period. We also had video of the package thief. It was the same kid. He seemed to be following the delivery truck.

My landlord showed the video the cops.

They said they'd "look in to it."

Never heard anything further.

Personally, I find these kind of crimes to be way more of a quality of life issue for me then people rolling through stop signs or not wearing a seatbelt or whatever other "crimes" the cops spend of their time pursuing, but whatever.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:06 PM (GBteo)

69 Cops are truly useless.

Person on video stealing something and showing clearly they do it to a lot of people? Yawn.

Driving 5mph over the speed limit? Let's throw the book at them.

Small government doesn't exclude the military and law enforcement. Most every bureaucrat is useless.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:06 PM (UfkIY)

70 oh, I see.

farts and bombs.


carry on!

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 18, 2018 03:06 PM (d7Ww2)

71

"Never hurt or injure a criminal trying to do harm to you. Always kill them."
-- Shih Tzu
All You Need To Know About Self-Defense & the Law

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:06 PM (kyzbF)

72 Fart Spray. Stuff I learn about here. Stocking Stuffers?
Posted by: Puddin Head


Mounted properly so when they reach in the stocking, yeah.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:06 PM (xzezz)

73 SCIENCE!


(Just providing the traditional responses.)

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at December 18, 2018 03:06 PM (RD7QR)

74 Im all for the speady thing to spead radioactive asbestos powder. Maybe anthrax. Fuck thieves.

Posted by: Usntakim profoundly deplorable at December 18, 2018 03:07 PM (0OmEj)

75 The thieves certainly do deserve to be arrested, but the cops won't do it.

As the guy says in the video, he took a videotape of the first porch thief to the cops. You can see the woman on the tape, clearly stealing the package from his front porch, but the cops refused to do anything. Said it wasn't worth their time.

The thieves know this, and they take advantage of it. They also know that most state's laws don't let people use much force against property thieves. So property owners are left with no real remedy when people come onto their land to steal their stuff. They can't (legally) shoot the thieves, even if they catch them in the act, and if they videotape the thieves in the act, the cops won't do anything about it.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 18, 2018 03:07 PM (fqUgw)

76 Fart spray is best paured with rubber turds.Some guy made one of my sixth grade teachers cry with that combo...

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 03:07 PM (BXMxN)

77 Thanks to California's Proposition 47, which passed in 2016 and is now in the running for Worst Statewide Proposition Ever Passed in the United States, thieves and criminals in California basically get no punishment whatsoever, even if they get caught red-handed and are convicted. Prop 47 states that if a thief only ends up stealing something valued (in sum) $1250 or less, then the "punishment" is at maximum a small fine and a warning, with ZERO jail time. The judge has no discretion in the matter -- state law states that theft under $1250 is a minor misdemeanor, the equivalent of a parking ticket or jaywalking.

The result, at least in the Bay Area (and probably all over California) is an explosion of "petty" crimes, since not only do thieves know there is no downside as getting caught leads to no punishment, but also that the same thieves get caught, get fined, steal again, get caught, get fined, steal again, get caught, get fined, etc. ad nauseam. All it takes is a few shameless criminals now to create a nonstop crime wave.

The stories around here would boggle your mind. One guy in SF has been caught red-handed and arrested and convicted of auto burglary (breaking into cars) SEVENTEEN TIMES in 2018 so far, and each time he gets a fine and is let go -- no jail time! And within hours he breaks in to another car. He's been caught 17 times, but he's probably robbed hundreds of cars, taking into account all the times he wasn't caught. And since each theft is under $1250 in value, the cops and prosecutors have no power to punish him or constrain him in any way. Oh, and did I mention that HE NEVER PAYS HIS FINES? They just keep piling up, and there's no mechanism for punishing him for nonpayment either.

And he's just one guy -- San Francisco and every other city has countless other petty criminals with similar stories.

Citizen vigilanteism will soon escalate beyond glitter bombs, I predict.

Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2018 03:07 PM (c+2jX)

78
Personally, I find these kind of crimes to be way more of a quality of life issue for me then people rolling through stop signs or not wearing a seatbelt or whatever other "crimes" the cops spend of their time pursuing, but whatever.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes


They can't make any money catching thieves.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 18, 2018 03:07 PM (aKsyK)

79 >>Cops are truly useless.


Anyone who works for a Union is essentially useless.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:07 PM (KU8BG)

80
"Two men can keep a secret...when one of them is dead."
-- Shih Tzu, Basic Knowledge, Vol I

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:07 PM (kyzbF)

81 You can buy Fart Spray on Amazon. Its from a company called Liquid Ass.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:08 PM (2LelM)

82 Look up squatter's "rights" - your own home can be stolen & it's not a crime in most cities, just a civil matter.

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 03:08 PM (7HtZB)

83 40 I've been considering putting a metal box and a BoxLock on my porch.

http://bit.ly/2QIgIr7

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 03:00 PM (bwqT/)


Our delivery chimps can't be bothered to ring the doorbell, even when it's raining (we have no covering on our porch, so packages get soaked). Sometimes they don't even make it up all five of the stairs to our door.
There's no way in hell a lockbox would get used, let alone properly.

Posted by: redsweater at December 18, 2018 03:08 PM (4LOJk)

84 Closest I have done to this was when my older brother was pilfering cash from my dresser.

I bought the biggest commercially available rat trap I could find - this sucker could've killed Chuck E. Cheese.

Then I put it in the drawer with a nakie over it, and a $10 bill on top. That shit straight up broke his hand. Right across the palm, all the metacarpals.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:08 PM (AzW6q)

85 Its from a company called Liquid Ass.
========

This is about me, isn't it?

*shaaaart*

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary at December 18, 2018 03:09 PM (vg8iE)

86 nakie? should be "hankie"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:09 PM (AzW6q)

87 My cousin saw an obvious shoplifter herein NJ.Told the cashier "oh we know,they do it all the time,the cops don't do anything"

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 03:09 PM (BXMxN)

88 I'm just glad I don't live in this guys neighborhood. He seems to have packages stolen off his front porch on a regular basis.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 03:09 PM (/tuJf)

89 Just let the person walk right out.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 03:09 PM (BXMxN)

90 77 Citizen vigilanteism will soon escalate beyond glitter bombs, I predict.
Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2018 03:07 PM (c+2jX)

Once the "We're gonna have to start shooting people" Pandora's Box is opened...

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 03:10 PM (UnA8+)

91 If one were cynical, one might think about the revenue aspects of pursuing certain crimes over others to governments.

Theft like this, well the government will have to give the property back and warehouse the wrong-doer.

Speeding. Fines. Sweet, cold hard cash for the government.

Drugs? Seizure of property and money, which then go into coffers.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 18, 2018 03:10 PM (ycWCI)

92 It should just take a picture and send a message to the cops with the location.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 18, 2018 03:10 PM (1ISKN)

93 They cut thieves hands off in Saudi Arabia. Like I said, muslims are preferable to Marxists.

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 03:10 PM (7HtZB)

94 Kind a like what Trump is doing with the Wall. Sounds to be like he's folding again.

So- no wall and today the ATF passes a Bump-Stock Ban which will be a template for future anti Second Amendment subversion. That's Trumps's only Second Amendment accomplishment.

Sounds like we're done winning.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 18, 2018 03:10 PM (VpIIl)

95

I have much insight and wisdom on how to do "things."

But I cannot share online.

Let me put it this way: No one will ever invade, much less "squat" in my home.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:10 PM (kyzbF)

96 Bark loudly when your bowl is empty.

Posted by: Shih Tzu at December 18, 2018 03:11 PM (NBiK1)

97 That made me laugh.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 03:11 PM (IlV2p)

98 I'm just glad I don't live in this guys neighborhood. He seems to have packages stolen off his front porch on a regular basis.
Posted by: JackStraw


Porch piracy happens everywhere.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:11 PM (xzezz)

99 They can't make any money catching thieves.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 18, 2018 03:07 PM (aKsyK)

I seriously think that's what it is.

It takes 10 minutes and minimal effort to give someone a ticket for failure to come to a complete stop at a stop sign, and yields the town $150 or whatever in ticket revenue.

Tracking down package thieves? That would take more time and probably not yield any revenue at all.

So the cops focus on bothering people going to work and trying to beat traffic and not on the people stealing packages from those people while they're at work.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:11 PM (GBteo)

100 84 Closest I have done to this was when my older brother was pilfering cash from my dresser.

I bought the biggest commercially available rat trap I could find - this sucker could've killed Chuck E. Cheese.

Then I put it in the drawer with a nakie over it, and a $10 bill on top. That shit straight up broke his hand. Right across the palm, all the metacarpals.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:08 PM (AzW6q)

Jeez!

Posted by: m at December 18, 2018 03:11 PM (Q7mSB)

101 I am so glad I live in a small town.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:11 PM (XGA3u)

102 Only suckers pay for stuff.

Posted by: nip at December 18, 2018 03:11 PM (DfGpI)

103 Let me put it this way: No one will ever invade, much less "squat" in my home.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:10 PM (kyzbF)

-------

My ex-FIL used a 12ga alarm system on his front door...

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:11 PM (AzW6q)

104 Couldn't you put anti-gay tracts in the box, then report that the thieves were passing out hate literature in your neighborhood?

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at December 18, 2018 03:12 PM (SunNf)

105 I'm too lazy to implement but I have considered offering dog or horse poo boxes for folks that have had porch pirates in their area. A poo box rigged to fling contents when opened would be even better, but that would really require effort plus the mechanisms to fling the poo.

As a practical matter I believe UPS stores will receive packages for a small fee for folks that live in hives of scum and villainy.

Posted by: paleRider at December 18, 2018 03:12 PM (eASYU)

106 @94

Yep, today was not a good day.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 03:12 PM (qxq6t)

107 >>Porch piracy happens everywhere.

I'm a fairly regular Amazon customer. It's never happened once to me.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 03:12 PM (/tuJf)

108 So here is my thoughts. You combine a can of fart spray with your Wasp spray and Bic Lighter. Once you blind your target with Wasp spray, what eats their eyes, but before you light them on fire, you spray them with fart spray, cuz, you have fart spray. Then you employ the BIC lighter and what them go all Buddhist Monk Flambé. Am I right?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:12 PM (2LelM)

109 77 Thanks to California's Proposition 47, which passed in 2016 and is now in the running for Worst Statewide Proposition Ever Passed in the United States, thieves and criminals in California basically get no punishment whatsoever, even if they get caught red-handed and are convicted. Prop 47 states that if a thief only ends up stealing something valued (in sum) $1250 or less, then the "punishment" is at maximum a small fine and a warning, with ZERO jail time. The judge has no discretion in the matter -- state law states that theft under $1250 is a minor misdemeanor, the equivalent of a parking ticket or jaywalking.

The result, at least in the Bay Area (and probably all over California) is an explosion of "petty" crimes, since not only do thieves know there is no downside as getting caught leads to no punishment, but also that the same thieves get caught, get fined, steal again, get caught, get fined, steal again, get caught, get fined, etc. ad nauseam. All it takes is a few shameless criminals now to create a nonstop crime wave.

The stories around here would boggle your mind. One guy in SF has been caught red-handed and arrested and convicted of auto burglary (breaking into cars) SEVENTEEN TIMES in 2018 so far, and each time he gets a fine and is let go -- no jail time! And within hours he breaks in to another car. He's been caught 17 times, but he's probably robbed hundreds of cars, taking into account all the times he wasn't caught. And since each theft is under $1250 in value, the cops and prosecutors have no power to punish him or constrain him in any way. Oh, and did I mention that HE NEVER PAYS HIS FINES? They just keep piling up, and there's no mechanism for punishing him for nonpayment either.

And he's just one guy -- San Francisco and every other city has countless other petty criminals with similar stories.

Citizen vigilanteism will soon escalate beyond glitter bombs, I predict.
Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2018 03:07 PM (c+2jX)



I do remember the Commiecrat crocodile tears in favor of Proposition 47: "Waaaaaah! No one should get 25 to life for stealing pizza!" Never mind that as Zombie points out, that is invariably the tip of a much larger criminal iceberg.

Moreover, you can steal many *firearms* and be under $1,250.00

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:13 PM (ujg0T)

110
I've been toying with the Alfred app.

Alfred app utilizes old phones (with cameras) as live security cams which can be monitored via the app.

You need wifi. It's a "free" app, but there are ads, you can pay monthly to get rid of the ads.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:13 PM (kyzbF)

111 No one will ever invade, much less "squat" in my home.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at D




so, no indoor plumbing?

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:13 PM (MTjB1)

112 If you're interested in his other big viral invention -- the dartboard that calculates the exact trajectory of the dart you've thrown and moves itself to score you a bullseye every time

That's sort of pathetic.

-
Clinton darts.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 03:13 PM (+y/Ru)

113 I'm a fairly regular Amazon customer. It's never happened once to me.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 03:12 PM (/tuJf)

It only happened to me personally once. And I was home when the package was delivered. But it used to happen a lot in my old neighborhood.

From my landlords video recording system, it looked to be the same kid every time.

Where I live now, I've never had it happen. But my neighbor has more than once.

I don't know how common it is, but I bet Amazon does.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:14 PM (GBteo)

114 98 I'm just glad I don't live in this guys neighborhood. He seems to have packages stolen off his front porch on a regular basis.
Posted by: JackStraw


Porch piracy happens everywhere.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:11 PM (xzezz)

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We had a package on our porch for 3 days and it was still there when we got back home yesterday.

I was very pleasantly surprised.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at December 18, 2018 03:14 PM (q8oeS)

115 "Our delivery chimps can't be bothered to ring the doorbell, even when it's raining (we have no covering on our porch, so packages get soaked). Sometimes they don't even make it up all five of the stairs to our door."


Things like this are why I do not jump on the "have everything delivered" bandwagon.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 03:14 PM (hLRSq)

116 I worry about porch pirates, 'cause my lazy ass has my groceries delivered. If they come - I'll be eating out of cans, jars and the freezer. And I'll probably rig the next one to catch fire.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:14 PM (AzW6q)

117 so how many of those thieves were whitey and asians stealing from the man?

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:15 PM (MTjB1)

118 If you're a Porch Pirate in my neck of the woods you better be Superman or able to outrun a schutzhund with a VF rating.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 18, 2018 03:15 PM (VpIIl)

119 Bark loudly when your bowl is empty.
Posted by: Shih Tzu at December 18, 2018 03:11 PM


Tap the bell when you want another treat.

Posted by: The kitten at December 18, 2018 03:15 PM (ctuyM)

120 Citizen vigilanteism will soon escalate beyond glitter bombs, I predict.
Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2018 03:07 PM (c+2jX)
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I guarantee you this glitter bomb in CA will get someone sued at some point.

People are just going to start shooting and when the cops ask, "I was in fear for my life, I want my lawyer."

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 03:15 PM (IlV2p)

121 82 Look up squatter's "rights" - your own home can be stolen & it's not a crime in most cities, just a civil matter.
Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 03:08 PM (7HtZB)
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Otherwise known as Adverse Possession.

A bit of advise, don't let your neighbor maintain any part of your property because you think he's being nice or you don't care about it.

Posted by: WisRich at December 18, 2018 03:16 PM (G0vdT)

122 y5,

From the video, a few.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:16 PM (XGA3u)

123
I couldn't post this vid yesterday on the reptilian thread, so here it is.
I'd have thought it was digitally manipulated except for how she quickly blinks and turns her head to the other guy after her eyes went reptile:

https://tinyurl.com/y7hctgvh

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 03:16 PM (DJFLF)

124 simple solution for people stealing your deliveries, doorman.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:16 PM (MTjB1)

125 Moreover, you can steal many *firearms* and be under $1,250.00
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:13 PM (ujg0T)

I think stealing firearms carry a big kicker.

But like Ricky talks about on trailer park boys -- as long as it's "Theft under $1000," the cops don't care.

So if you're criminally minded... why risk jail time by doing one big, expensive, and potentially risky theft, when you can do a bunch of small ones and no one will ever look in to it?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:16 PM (GBteo)

126 That vid made my day. And it needed making.

Posted by: Muad'dib at December 18, 2018 03:16 PM (sjdRT)

127 Tap the bell when you want another treat.
Posted by: The kitten at December 18, 2018 03:15 PM (ctuyM)


Those two were playing for keeps.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 03:17 PM (YHze/)

128

You don't injure criminals.
But always warn them. And make sure you tell the police you warned them BECAUSE YOU WERE SCARED FOR YOUR LIFE.

And you thought the criminal had a knife or a gun or was going to use it. Make sure you say that.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:17 PM (kyzbF)

129 From the video, a few.
Posted by: SMH at D



thanks. too lazy to watch the whole thing.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:17 PM (MTjB1)

130 I don't know how common it is, but I bet Amazon does.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

_____________

I've never had it happen, but I know someone in the delivery business in my state (AZ) and it's a very big issue in even upscale neighborhoods.

I'm sure police could stop it if they took it seriously, but they won't.

I bet more than half of police activity is traffic violations.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:17 PM (UfkIY)

131 yeah, cops that won't bother arresting thieves? There is hard evidence, easy arrest ... they are not that flucking busy ... arrest a few and put them on the news so the shiit stops.


That one woman had a nice house ... all upset that she stole a glitter bomb ... like "how dare they".

Posted by: illiniwek at December 18, 2018 03:17 PM (Cus5s)

132 91 If one were cynical, one might think about the revenue aspects of pursuing certain crimes over others to governments.

Theft like this, well the government will have to give the property back and warehouse the wrong-doer.

Speeding. Fines. Sweet, cold hard cash for the government.

Drugs? Seizure of property and money, which then go into coffers.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 18, 2018 03:10 PM (ycWCI)



Victor Davis Hanson had a whole series of essays about this, where illegal aliens had their impromptu roadside stands, illegal roadside garbage dumps, and squatter tents, none of which were ever busted by the police, who were too busy setting up speed traps and environmental regulations for middle class people to be caught.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:17 PM (ujg0T)

133 USPS might as well use chimps. The humans they have are largely useless.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 18, 2018 03:17 PM (VpIIl)

134 Then I put it in the drawer with a nakie over it, and a $10 bill on top. That shit straight up broke his hand. Right across the palm, all the metacarpals.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:08 PM (AzW6q)

Jeez!
Posted by: m


If it ain't yours, don't take it.
If it ain't true, don't say it.
If it ain't right, don't do it.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:17 PM (xzezz)

135 1- Someone selling these things as revenge weapons can seriously make some cash

2- Next time, modify it to spray the AIDS virus. To hades with these people

Posted by: Traddy at December 18, 2018 03:17 PM (GSJcT)

136 Its interesting that most of the people doing this look to be fairly well off.

They are being taken by homeless people, but by people driving fairly nice or new cars.

And living in fairly nice places.

Breakdown of the social contract... they are not even doing it out of need.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 03:17 PM (NgKpN)

137 I recently saw a video of a dog taking a package off of a porch.

Fart spray would only increase dog thieves.

Posted by: Cheri at December 18, 2018 03:18 PM (G+Wff)

138 Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 03:17 PM (NgKpN)

sorry... meant NOT being taken by homeless people.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 03:18 PM (NgKpN)

139 Or even that unwashable dye the banks put into their decoy packs. Or pepper spray....something more than an inconvenience

Posted by: Traddy at December 18, 2018 03:18 PM (GSJcT)

140 Monica Crowley has it correct.

The judge accused Flynn of being a traitor, even though the judge later came back to clarify, you can't unring that fucking bell.

What a clown show.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 03:18 PM (qxq6t)

141 A bit of advise, don't let your neighbor maintain any part of your property because you think he's being nice or you don't care about it.
Posted by: WisRich at December 18, 2018 03:16 PM (G0vdT)

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LOL. This happens on a large scale in the county where I grew up.

It's a poor county, with one nice middle-class neighborhood that supplies 78% of county tax revenues. It borders a neighboring (super-rich) county that would love to steal the neighborhood.

During the winter, the Sheriff's office has to patrol the neighborhood constantly, to turn back the other county's snowplows - since if they plow it enough times, they can claim it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:19 PM (AzW6q)

142
"In self-defense, if your life is worth one bullet, surely it is worth two."
--Shih Tzu

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:19 PM (kyzbF)

143 121 121 82 Look up squatter's "rights" - your own home can be stolen & it's not a crime in most cities, just a civil matter.
Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 03:08 PM (7HtZB)
----------

Otherwise known as Adverse Possession.

A bit of advise, don't let your neighbor maintain any part of your property because you think he's being nice or you don't care about it.
Posted by: WisRich at December 18, 2018 03:16 PM (G0vdT)

My father's new next-door neighbor, the first thing they did after they bought the house was immediately put up fencing. Likely trying to see if they can shift off a few feet of property and see if everyone will be too "don't rock the boat" to complain about it.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 03:19 PM (UnA8+)

144 125 Moreover, you can steal many *firearms* and be under $1,250.00
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:13 PM (ujg0T)

I think stealing firearms carry a big kicker.

But like Ricky talks about on trailer park boys -- as long as it's "Theft under $1000," the cops don't care.

So if you're criminally minded... why risk jail time by doing one big, expensive, and potentially risky theft, when you can do a bunch of small ones and no one will ever look in to it?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:16 PM (GBteo)

Or just be a minority teenager.

My shit stain Guatamalen teenage neighbor broke into my house, stole my Xbox 360, several guns and movies. He got sentenced to HOMEWORK. He had to write a fucking essay. No jail time.

It's the closest so far that I've gotten to going full Punisher. I still don't know if I did the right thing by calling the cops, I'm inclined to 'no', based on the results.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 03:19 PM (xJa6I)

145 paint would be better than glitter ... or bleach ...

Posted by: illiniwek at December 18, 2018 03:20 PM (Cus5s)

146 First, it will be vigilantism by individuals.

Then, they band together, or hire "private security".

Eventually the State will sense the threat and act against the citizens trying to ensure their own safety.

And that's when the Troubles begin in earnest.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 18, 2018 03:20 PM (AM1GF)

147 117 so how many of those thieves were whitey and asians stealing from the man?
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:15 PM (MTjB1)



The Commiecrats will punish you for badthink with that one!

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:20 PM (ujg0T)

148 My version would probably be lethal

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 03:20 PM (/rm4P)

149 Can we do this with Social Security Numbers?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:20 PM (2LelM)

150 107 >>Porch piracy happens everywhere.

I'm a fairly regular Amazon customer. It's never happened once to me.


me, too. 'course, by now everyone in town has no doubt figured out how boring i am.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 18, 2018 03:20 PM (NmR1a)

151 Anarcho tyranny.
The norms are preyed upon by the thugs from below and preyed upon by the gov't above.
Gov't doing its ONE FUCKING JOB (protect norms from thugs) = risk + cost.
Govt preying on norms = no risk + revenue.
UNtil the burning times.

Posted by: butch at December 18, 2018 03:21 PM (hXu8T)

152 Follow the money. No revenue in spending time looking for porch pirates and much more money in traffic fines, DUI's, etc.

Posted by: Cheri at December 18, 2018 03:21 PM (G+Wff)

153 148 My version would probably be lethal
Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 03:20 PM (/rm4P)

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Yours too?

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:22 PM (XGA3u)

154 Still, it's all pretty ingenious.
Ingenious is the word. He covered all bases: glitter, smell, recording. Smart guy.

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 03:22 PM (DJFLF)

155 141 During the winter, the Sheriff's office has to patrol the neighborhood constantly, to turn back the other county's snowplows - since if they plow it enough times, they can claim it.

maybe you folks should build a wall.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 18, 2018 03:22 PM (xGZ+b)

156 124 simple solution for people stealing your deliveries, doorman.
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:16 PM (MTjB1)

Yankee on 5th Avenue?

Posted by: m at December 18, 2018 03:22 PM (Q7mSB)

157 117
so how many of those thieves were whitey and asians stealing from the man?

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:15 PM (MTjB1)
Interesting - 2 of the 'walkers' were whitey. So does that mean they got their fat asses into a car and parked it and walked around looking, or better yet, do they live in his neighborhood?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 03:23 PM (37IEG)

158 That one woman had a nice house ... all upset that she stole a glitter bomb ... like "how dare they".
Posted by: illiniwek at December 18, 2018 03:17 PM (Cus5s)

-----------------

Had a guy busted for breaking into cars in our neighborhood. He was driving a decent late model car and tried to claim he was breaking into cars because he was out of work. Out of work yet was able to buy enough gasoline to get to our side our town? Yeah, pull the other one.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 03:23 PM (IlV2p)

159
Re: police today

I was just wondering the other day if the Police even trying to talk to the perps, anymore.

What happened to trying to de-escalate the situation? Today it's all about a car chase, screaming "get down! get down!" and then BLAM BLAM BLAM twenty times.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:23 PM (kyzbF)

160 140 Monica Crowley has it correct.

The judge accused Flynn of being a traitor, even though the judge later came back to clarify, you can't unring that fucking bell.

What a clown show.
--------------------
The judge was goading Flynn to see how much Mueller has squeezed him. The fact that Flynn didn't rise to the bait is because Mueller is squeezing his family - likely his son. This is the first thing you learn in Hostage Taking at Quantico.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:23 PM (2LelM)

161 If the police are uninterested in doing anything about people taking packages, he should have booby trapped it with acid, or perhaps a bit of shrapnel, or burning grease. After all, if they don't care about the one, why care about the other.

After watching it, I don't think they suffered enough, given all the effort that was put into making the thing.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 03:23 PM (/qEW2)

162
My shit stain Guatamalen teenage neighbor broke into my house, stole my Xbox 360, several guns and movies. He got sentenced to HOMEWORK. He had to write a fucking essay. No jail time.

It's the closest so far that I've gotten to going full Punisher. I still don't know if I did the right thing by calling the cops, I'm inclined to 'no', based on the results.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 03:19 PM (xJa6I)

should have called ice

Posted by: Ministry of Cultural Enrichment at December 18, 2018 03:23 PM (bU9e3)

163 Interesting - 2 of the 'walkers' were whitey. So does that mean they got their fat asses into a car and parked it and walked around looking, or better yet, do they live in his neighborhood?
Posted by: DamnedYankee

___________

I'm willing to bet good money there was some reverse affirmative action in who the guy decided to present the videos to balance things out.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:24 PM (UfkIY)

164 153
148 My version would probably be lethal

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 03:20 PM (/rm4P)



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Yours too?

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:22 PM (XGA3u)
Well, you know, if the cops can't bother to investigate the theft, it's not a crime. So anything that results from the crime that wasn't committed, can't be a crime, right?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 03:24 PM (37IEG)

165 Instead of the spinny cup to deploy the glitter, a charge from a Co2 cylinder would really give the dispersion that extra oomph that says "I care".

Oh, wait. Let's not use just a basic Co2 cartridge.

We can use a small can of Bear Spray as the propellant, and really send that super special extra oomph that says "FUCK YOU, THEIVING ASSWIPE!"



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 18, 2018 03:24 PM (QzJWU)

166
A gotcha device needs to lop off a hand ... or two.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 18, 2018 03:24 PM (MLfDH)

167 Yankee on 5th Avenue?
Posted by: m at D


interesting

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:24 PM (MTjB1)

168 Porch piracy happens everywhere.

I'm a fairly regular Amazon customer. It's never happened once to me.

me, too. 'course, by now everyone in town has no doubt figured out how boring i am.
Posted by: Anachronda


Go to Facebook. Search porch piracy. Spend the afternoon watching videos of porch pirates.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:25 PM (xzezz)

169 Re: IHOP. Guess its time to call the health department again.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 18, 2018 03:25 PM (hKi6n)

170
There's always the three S's.







Shoot.







Shovel.






Shutup.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:25 PM (8XRCm)

171 A gotcha device needs to lop off a hand ... or two.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 18, 2018 03:24 PM (MLfDH)

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See me @ 84.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:25 PM (AzW6q)

172 Well, at least he helped the thieves become almost as FABULOUS as he was.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 03:25 PM (cRkMZ)

173 Wire up a claymore and market the damned thing.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:25 PM (2LelM)

174 Horde consensus seems to be settling on S-mines.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 18, 2018 03:25 PM (ycWCI)

175 After watching it, I don't think they suffered enough, given all the effort that was put into making the thing.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 03:23 PM (/qEW2)

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Yep...

*flips through counter IED manual*

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:25 PM (XGA3u)

176 The fact that Flynn didn't rise to the bait is because Mueller is squeezing his family - likely his son. This is the first thing you learn in Hostage Taking at Quantico.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:23 PM (2LelM)

I frankly wonder if the FBI has threatened Flynn with his son getting Arkancided, not just getting indicted

Posted by: Votermom at December 18, 2018 03:25 PM (YW0te)

177 this is sorta a "first world problem", but not for those in better neighborhoods. It is a pain for the "blue collar" neighborhoods, or those close to bad neighborhoods. Paul Ryan doesn't have this problem, he has a wall .... and iron gates ... (actually Ryan with security, probably doesn't get direct deliveries, but ... the protected class don't deal with this shit, so they don't care)

Posted by: illiniwek at December 18, 2018 03:26 PM (Cus5s)

178 Banana Republic.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 03:26 PM (F4u7C)

179 @160

I cannot even begin to describe my disgust at the situation we find ourselves in.


I'm losing my ability to feel compassion for those involved up to and including the President.


What is going on is outrageous and is becoming more intolerable by the minute.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 03:26 PM (qxq6t)

180 He should have made it fling glitter and wet dog shit. Or maybe a dead animal parts that have been blended down and left to "tenderize" for a couple of days.
There's a smell that doesn't go away.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 03:26 PM (37IEG)

181 should have called ice
Posted by: Ministry of Cultural Enrichment at December 18, 2018 03:23 PM (bU9e3)

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Man, that wigger cant even stand up to Shug.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:26 PM (8XRCm)

182 Why shovel? Just dump the carcass along a road. Sooner or later the garbage guys will phone it in.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:27 PM (2LelM)

183 149 Can we do this with Social Security Numbers?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:20 PM (2LelM)

Can we do what with SSN?

Posted by: m at December 18, 2018 03:27 PM (Q7mSB)

184 I like the way you think, Jim.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:27 PM (XGA3u)

185 he should replace the fart gas with some gas the incapacitates the long enough for him to get to them and make a citizens arrest while administering a hickory shampoo.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:27 PM (MTjB1)

186 The Police: Not worth our time to arrest someone for stealing Amazon packages
Also the Police: We totally need to assign staff to ticket people for going 1 MPH over the speed limit. What happens if we let people think they can violate the law with impunity???

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 03:27 PM (cRkMZ)

187 144
My shit stain Guatamalen teenage neighbor broke into my house, stole my Xbox 360, several guns and movies. He got sentenced to HOMEWORK. He had to write a fucking essay. No jail time.

It's the closest so far that I've gotten to going full Punisher. I still don't know if I did the right thing by calling the cops, I'm inclined to 'no', based on the results.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 03:19 PM (xJa6I)

============

I now imagine you sitting in your house, all the lights off, a loaded handgun in one hand, and a smoldering cigarette in the other, as you wait for that next break in.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at December 18, 2018 03:27 PM (q8oeS)

188 I frankly wonder if the FBI has threatened Flynn with his son getting Arkancided, not just getting indicted
Posted by: Votermom at December 18, 2018 03:25 PM (YW0te)

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Yeah... it's like that kid in Chicago running against the machine Boss alderman. He scored a victory against their fraud machine in court, and remains on the ballot.

But if he actually looks like he's gonna win, he's dead. I hope he knows that.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:27 PM (AzW6q)

189 170
There's always the three S's.
Shoot.
Shovel.
Shutup.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:25 PM (8XRCm)



Out in the countryside or with at least a few acres around you, sure and awesome.

In a zone of single family homes and little yards, or worse, townhouses next to each other, not so easy.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:27 PM (ujg0T)

190 Go to Facebook. Search porch piracy. Spend the afternoon watching videos of porch pirates.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:25 PM (xzezz)


I'm surprised that lawyers haven't argued that packages on porches are "attractive nuisances", yet, and got settlements in favor of the thieves.

This country has lost almost all respect for private property. Sad, because almost all individual liberties flow from private property rights.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 03:27 PM (ndSD+)

191 Why shovel? Just dump the carcass along a road. Sooner or later the garbage guys will phone it in.

***

Get a bigger amazon box.

Put the corpse in the box.

Put the box on your door step.

Wait.

Never have another porch thief again.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 03:28 PM (cRkMZ)

192 My version would probably be lethal
Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 03:20 PM (/rm4P)

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Yours too?
Posted by: SMH


This IS the Horde after all.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:28 PM (xzezz)

193 24 Those aren't package theives, they're undocumented delivery workers.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 18, 2018 02:56 PM (KUaJL)


And they're just redistributing packages.

H8ters.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 18, 2018 03:28 PM (pz2C4)

194 I was also unsatifying and wonder if some if not all of the package-plucks were staged.

If not, someone knows Ms. Exceedingly Crappy decor and ifMECD is not an actress, that someone will tell the world who she is, and police might be shamed into action.

The police should be shamed anyway... if not staged, the police really ought to have been pointed at her GPS coordinates and the video recordings from start to finish, and their inaction used to point out how letting theft from people's homes go unpunished necessarily leads to risk of vigilante action, whether benign or dangerous.

Posted by: SarahW at December 18, 2018 03:28 PM (g1vnC)

195 57 I wonder if a small thermobaric thermite device would be practical at that size?
Posted by: Brother Cavil



Fixed for accuracy.

Burn a hole all the way thru the car.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:03 PM (xzezz)


Well, a small termobaric device would make the thief's car resemble that old toy, the Crashmobile.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 18, 2018 03:28 PM (di1hb)

196
I welcome a home invasion.

My Pimp Hand is Strong. Even at Christmas time.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:28 PM (kyzbF)

197 It's been a long time since even small town cops tried to solve property crimes rather than just filing the report. What they do now is try, when they pick up someone for something else, to either recover the stolen items from their residence and close a file, or get them to confess to crimes as part of a plea deal and close files that way.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 03:29 PM (bwqT/)

198 Kreplach,

I've passed disgust miles back.

I'm at the point where I no longer even care what happens at this point.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:29 PM (XGA3u)

199 There is a broken window theory that allowing petty crime leads to much more serious crime.

I'm sure people graduate on to bigger and better once they get a taste for this. Especially since likely 9 out of 10 times, this pays very little.

Even being a car thief pays very little, I was reading where the price someone gets for stealing a car is just a few hundred dollars.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:29 PM (UfkIY)

200 Make a box "bomb" that will start playing Obama's speeches at 110 decibels and can't be turned down or off.

Posted by: Roy at December 18, 2018 03:29 PM (9rXxD)

201 176 The fact that Flynn didn't rise to the bait is because Mueller is squeezing his family - likely his son. This is the first thing you learn in Hostage Taking at Quantico.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:23 PM (2LelM)

I frankly wonder if the FBI has threatened Flynn with his son getting Arkancided, not just getting indicted
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Mueller isn't stupid enough to make it between Flynn and Mueller. Mueller knows exactly how that would work out. Thus another loved one has to be in jeopardy. This is our FBI. Or Stasi, Gestapo, KGB....

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:29 PM (2LelM)

202 I just looked it up. Will you be surprised to learn that the author of Proposition 47 was none other than (ta-da!) Kamala Harris. And she gave it the Orwellian Newspeak eumpemism title "The Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act."

Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2018 03:29 PM (c+2jX)

203 Out in the countryside or with at least a few acres around you, sure and awesome.

In a zone of single family homes and little yards, or worse, townhouses next to each other, not so easy.
Posted by: Curmudgeon


That's why you bury them in your neighbors' yard.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:29 PM (xzezz)

204 I frankly wonder if the FBI has threatened Flynn with his son getting Arkancided, not just getting indicted

___

That's crazy talk.

Hey, did I spill something on the back of my coat? I suddenly feel something wet back there.

/thump

Posted by: Seth Rich at December 18, 2018 03:29 PM (cRkMZ)

205 This guy went to a lot of trouble and the video rocks.

I did read somewhere about a guy who had this happen to him so he filled the packages with excrement (can't remember if it was dog or human) and waited.

Of course, he didn't get to watch the reaction of the thief, but imagining it would be fun too.

Lots less time and effort...well, I guess it depends on what kind of excrement. LOL

Posted by: Charlotte the sailor at December 18, 2018 03:30 PM (lGLBx)

206 164 Well, you know, if the cops can't bother to investigate the theft, it's not a crime. So anything that results from the crime that wasn't committed, can't be a crime, right?
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 03:24 PM (37IEG)

Hmm.
IANAL, but bzzzzt.

Posted by: m at December 18, 2018 03:30 PM (Q7mSB)

207 he should fill it with incriminating evidence from all the murders he has committed then call the cops when someone takes it.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:30 PM (MTjB1)

208 These scumbags are ruining Christmas

Posted by: Regular joe at December 18, 2018 03:30 PM (cZlKA)

209
At 5:30 am the cocksucking police around here are lying-in-wait looking for working people who are speeding.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:30 PM (kyzbF)

210 And they're just redistributing packages.



H8ters.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 18, 2018 03:28 PM (pz2C4)
He's right, it's not fair that some people get packages and others don't. We need to empanel a, uh, panel, to review this and determine if rich white people are getting more packages from Amazon than other people of less means and different color!
Package delivery needs to be fair!

Posted by: Loopey Ozcrazyo. at December 18, 2018 03:31 PM (37IEG)

211 I'm starting to think about boxing my garbage in nice boxes with shipping labels and firing my garbage service. Do you think this would work?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:31 PM (2LelM)

212 I think in northern climates, an automated porch water cannon would work well to slow down these box thefts around this time of the year.

Posted by: Roy at December 18, 2018 03:31 PM (9rXxD)

213
140 Monica Crowley has it correct.
The judge accused Flynn of being a traitor, even though the judge later came back to clarify, you can't unring that fucking bell.

That's disappointing coming from Monica. If Flynn pleads guilty he is admitting to being a traitor. The Judge was just letting Flynn know he doesn't have to abide by Mueller's sentencing memo and if he goes ahead and pleads guilty he might be facing serious jail time.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 03:31 PM (TAmPV)

214 So, are IHOP and Pacific Life boycotting Morning Joe too? Or is an intentionally insulting "buttboy" of a specific person not the same as an accurate "dirtier" leveled at a group of, well, dirty, accustomed-to-littering, people? I remember when Jimmy Kimmell shot hidden video of an illegal crapping in a planter at the mall, so I guess he's out too?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at December 18, 2018 03:31 PM (Y24LV)

215
Meanwhile, while I'm at work, the scum are out in the neighborhoods breaking in houses.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:31 PM (kyzbF)

216 On a side note, it's an amusing video, but I hate that we are basically pretending this is all fun and games.

Someone that goes around stealing from probably hundreds of people deserves serious prison time.

This isn't a kid stealing a candy bar.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:31 PM (UfkIY)

217 It's the closest so far that I've gotten to going full Punisher. I still
don't know if I did the right thing by calling the cops, I'm inclined
to 'no', based on the results.

***

Shoulda told the cops you were gay and you heard your neighbor make disparaging remarks about your boyfriend.


In a courtroom later: I hereby sentence you to the maximum allowed for your horrible hate crime!

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 03:32 PM (cRkMZ)

218 88 I'm just glad I don't live in this guys neighborhood. He seems to have packages stolen off his front porch on a regular basis.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 03:09 PM (/tuJf)


Yeah. I don't think I've ever had a package stolen off my porch.

Posted by: rickl at December 18, 2018 03:32 PM (xjiRE)

219 There was a similar story here several months ago. Package thieves and the guy put out a box that discharged pepper spray or something, and filmed the idiot running away.

If the state can't be relied upon to protect people from thugs, we need to go back to militias. This is kind of a step in that direction.

Or ... if you arranged to have it shipped FedEx, you can arrange a delivery time window or go to the hub to pick it up.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 03:32 PM (/qEW2)

220 Do harm to a thief and it's *your* ass in trouble.

Posted by: davidt at December 18, 2018 03:33 PM (jGvbj)

221 I hate that we are basically pretending this is all fun and games.

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Yeah... and if you do something like this you could find out otherwise. For instance if one of these people happens to be a gangbanger who doesn't like gettin' dissed.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:33 PM (AzW6q)

222 well, we got obamacare first, which redsitributed income.

now we have obamakwanza, which redistributes gifts.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:33 PM (MTjB1)

223 Hmm.

IANAL, but bzzzzt.

Posted by: m at December 18, 2018 03:30 PM (Q7mSB)

Fine! It's a crime if some white conservative does it. Not a crime otherwise.
Okay? Sheesh, the legal system in this country is so complicated!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 03:33 PM (37IEG)

224
If the state can't be relied upon to protect people from thugs, we
need to go back to militias. This is kind of a step in that direction.

***

More and more you need a militia to protect you FROM the state.


The government stopped protecting you from anything, let alone itself, some time ago.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 03:33 PM (cRkMZ)

225 Only checked the EMT so not sure of threads today but Powerline is saying McSally is the new senator from Arizona .

Posted by: Skip at December 18, 2018 03:33 PM (/rm4P)

226 I've never had anything stolen, but I suppose that's because I'm a Melanin-Enhanced Criminal-American.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 03:33 PM (UnA8+)

227
Hint to porch thieves: do not try to steal parcels with the words "Front Toward Enemy" on them.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 18, 2018 03:34 PM (LsBY9)

228 Closest I have done to this was when my older brother was pilfering cash from my dresser.

I bought the biggest commercially available rat trap I could find - this sucker could've killed Chuck E. Cheese.

Then I put it in the drawer with a nakie over it, and a $10 bill on
top. That shit straight up broke his hand. Right across the palm, all
the metacarpals.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:08 PM (AzW6q)


I find that both horrifying and kind of hilarious at the same time.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 03:34 PM (ptqGC)

229 187 144
My shit stain Guatamalen teenage neighbor broke into my house, stole my Xbox 360, several guns and movies. He got sentenced to HOMEWORK. He had to write a fucking essay. No jail time.

It's the closest so far that I've gotten to going full Punisher. I still don't know if I did the right thing by calling the cops, I'm inclined to 'no', based on the results.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 03:19 PM (xJa6I)

============

I now imagine you sitting in your house, all the lights off, a loaded handgun in one hand, and a smoldering cigarette in the other, as you wait for that next break in.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, If you've read and enjoyed any of my works, please leave a review on Amazon. at December 18, 2018 03:27 PM (q8oeS)

Well I don't smoke but otherwise, pretty close.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 03:34 PM (xJa6I)

230 apparently this is a real problem. i don't shop online very much, but for people who do they should make or install some kind of package receptacle that can receive packages with a one-way tamper-proof opening.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 18, 2018 03:34 PM (Pg+x7)

231 Or ... if you arranged to have it shipped FedEx, you can arrange a delivery time window or go to the hub to pick it up.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear


Then they can cut their shipping prices.

I'm paying to have it delivered.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:34 PM (xzezz)

232 I agree with this guy's glitter-bomb concept, with ONE alteration: The "fart smell" canister should be a spray-can filled with Sarin.

Have the thieves' agonizing deaths on pay-per-view, and the bomb pays for itself!

Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2018 03:34 PM (c+2jX)

233 If Flynn pleads guilty he is admitting to being a traitor. The Judge was just letting Flynn know he doesn't have to abide by Mueller's sentencing memo and if he goes ahead and pleads guilty he might be facing serious jail time.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 03:31 PM (TAmPV)


Talking to the Russian ambassador as part of the incoming administration is nothing even remotely close to treason. It's not even a crime.

He pled guilty to lying to the FBI about the meeting.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 03:34 PM (ndSD+)

234 hey guys, just to clarify -- you can't actually booby trap your house. Like, legally.

It would be very problematic if someone was injured.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:35 PM (GBteo)

235 Today is so wonderful! I liked the video,

Posted by: Gritty at December 18, 2018 03:35 PM (nID3z)

236 202 I just looked it up. Will you be surprised to learn that the author of Proposition 47 was none other than (ta-da!) Kamala Harris. And she gave it the Orwellian Newspeak eumpemism title "The Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act."
Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2018 03:29 PM (c+2jX)



The Commiecrats don't want their constituents locked up and unable to vote. It makes dreadful sense.

I suspect the proposition was ghostwritten by Willie Brown in between his sex orgy sessions with her.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:35 PM (ujg0T)

237
The most galling thing is THEY get pissed off when glitter goes everywhere.

Unaware self absorbed psychopaths.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:35 PM (8XRCm)

238 Jane, what is a nakie?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:35 PM (2LelM)

239 Only checked the EMT so not sure of threads today but Powerline is saying McSally is the new senator from Arizona .
***

What a brilliant decision.

Hey you just lost one of the most winnable Senate races in recent history. You are obviously the person we want trying to defend the seat in 2 years because you have so much experience with losing.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 03:35 PM (cRkMZ)

240 apparently this is a real problem. i don't shop online very much, but for people who do they should make or install some kind of package receptacle that can receive packages with a one-way tamper-proof opening.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp

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Yea, I have that for my US Mail as we had our mail stolen once.

Not a bad idea to have a big one for Amazon if this was an ongoing issue.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:35 PM (UfkIY)

241 230 apparently this is a real problem. i don't shop online very much, but for people who do they should make or install some kind of package receptacle that can receive packages with a one-way tamper-proof opening.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 18, 2018 03:34 PM (Pg+x7)

They do sell those.

I have one friend who bought one. I've never asked him if the UPS guy actually uses it though.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:35 PM (GBteo)

242 *Rings Bell for New Thread*

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:35 PM (444To)

243 were I flynn I would start thinking about my retirement plans in russia, once my country is done fucking me over.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:36 PM (MTjB1)

244 The UPS people here cannot be bothered to ring the doorbell and let you know your package has arrived. At least our porch is covered.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 03:36 PM (ptqGC)

245 Only checked the EMT so not sure of threads today but Powerline is saying McSally is the new senator from Arizona .
***

What a brilliant decision.

Hey you just lost one of the most winnable Senate races in recent history. You are obviously the person we want trying to defend the seat in 2 years because you have so much experience with losing.
Posted by: 18-1

___________

AZ's Governor is a total RINO, we're lucky he didn't appoint Cindy McCain.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:36 PM (UfkIY)

246 But like Ricky talks about on trailer park boys -- as long as it's "Theft under $1000," the cops don't care.

So if you're criminally minded... why risk jail time by doing one big, expensive, and potentially risky theft, when you can do a bunch of small ones and no one will ever look in to it?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:16 PM (GBteo)


I could see a thief stealing $1000 worth of stuff and leaving behind, say, $50.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 18, 2018 03:36 PM (pz2C4)

247 234 It would be very problematic if someone was injured.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:35 PM (GBteo)

Nobody's suggesting injury.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 03:37 PM (UnA8+)

248 Hikaru,

As a fellow citizen with a permanent tan, I too have never had anything stolen from my porch.

In fact, in the small town I live in, I stand out like a raisin in a bowl of oatmeal.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:37 PM (XGA3u)

249 234
hey guys, just to clarify -- you can't actually booby trap your house. Like, legally.



It would be very problematic if someone was injured.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:35 PM (GBteo)
Yep, example - fireman who actually do their job and get nailed by the booby trap thing.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 03:37 PM (37IEG)

250 "Ha ha ha ha - I glitter-bombed you and it only cost me a couple hundred of so in tech, jokes on youguyzzzz!!!"

Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2018 03:37 PM (W+vEI)

251 Injury?

lol

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:37 PM (XGA3u)

252 On a side note, it's an amusing video, but I hate that we are basically pretending this is all fun and games.

Someone that goes around stealing from probably hundreds of people deserves serious prison time.

This isn't a kid stealing a candy bar.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:31 PM (UfkIY)

I tend to agree.

If cops cracked down on this kind of thing, I think we'd see a huge reduction in it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:37 PM (GBteo)

253 It would be very problematic if someone was injured.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:35 PM (GBteo)



Nobody's suggesting injury.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 03:37 PM (UnA8+)


Dead men tell no tales. The ol' shoot, shovel, and shut up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 03:37 PM (ptqGC)

254 hey guys, just to clarify -- you can't actually booby trap your house. Like, legally.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at D



no, you are right. you cannot trap the boobies in your house, however you can lure them in and offer significant inducements to get them to stay and let you play with them.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:38 PM (MTjB1)

255 So if you're criminally minded... why risk jail time by doing one
big, expensive, and potentially risky theft, when you can do a bunch of
small ones and no one will ever look in to it?

***


Well, there is the problem that when you rob other poor people you'll run across a politically protected group that will murder the hell out of you for breaking into their car or some other petty theft along those lines.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 03:38 PM (cRkMZ)

256 ... there's now a similar crime called mail fishing. the perp uses a device to grab letters from mail boxes. the checks they find can be washed and rewritten with large amounts. one guy who was caught had made over $500,000.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 18, 2018 03:38 PM (Pg+x7)

257 222 well, we got obamacare first, which redsitributed income.

now we have obamakwanza, which redistributes gifts.
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:33 PM (MTjB1)



SAVE this comment.

"ObamaKwanzaa" is a perfect description for these kinds of crimes.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 03:38 PM (ujg0T)

258 In fact, in the small town I live in, I stand out like a raisin in a bowl of oatmeal.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:37 PM (XGA3u)

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You live in Cali????? Cuz you didnt say "rice".

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:38 PM (8XRCm)

259 Yep, example - fireman who actually do their job and get nailed by the booby trap thing.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 03:37 PM (37IEG)

Yeah, or even criminals.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:38 PM (GBteo)

260
202 I just looked it up. Will you be surprised to learn that the author of Proposition 47 was none other than (ta-da!) Kamala Harris. And she gave it the Orwellian Newspeak eumpemism title "The Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act."
Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2018 03:29 PM (c+2jX)


Was not this part of the plan to knock many crimes most often committed by illegal aliens down to misdemeanors so that ICE would not be informed and deport them, as was required for felonies?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 18, 2018 03:39 PM (MLfDH)

261 Look up squatter's "rights" - your own home can be stolen & it's not a crime in most cities, just a civil matter.


Though it varies from state to state, adverse possession usually has four components: the claimer has to have known that the property wasn't his, he has to make a permanent improvement on it, it has to be done openly, and it has to be done for a certain number of years.

I am not a lawyer and you should take my statement as admissible in court.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 03:39 PM (bwqT/)

262 The ol' shoot, shovel, and shut up.

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Dafuq did I say?

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:39 PM (8XRCm)

263 Live in southern IL.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:39 PM (XGA3u)

264 Is a glitter-IED a Gaymore Mine??

Posted by: andycanuck at December 18, 2018 03:39 PM (Evws/)

265 LOL y5!

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:40 PM (XGA3u)

266
You live in Cali????? Cuz you didnt say "rice".
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:38 PM (8XRCm)


She's in Illinois, unless I am misremembering.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 18, 2018 03:40 PM (MLfDH)

267 If cops cracked down on this kind of thing, I think we'd see a huge reduction in it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

_________

Of course, but that involves cops getting out of their cars and doing some real work.

I'd easily wager this becomes billions in property crime over the coming years.

I'm amazed Amazon isn't pressuring local law enforcement, it's going to deter sales in large swaths of the country.

Maybe Trump can get some votes saying he'll get the feds involved since the packages cross state lines.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:40 PM (UfkIY)

268
Talking to the Russian ambassador as part of the incoming administration is nothing even remotely close to treason. It's not even a crime.
He pled guilty to lying to the FBI about the meeting.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 03:34 PM (ndSD+)

So why do you plead guilty to something that isn't a crime? Cohn did for leniency on other real crimes he committed.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 03:40 PM (TAmPV)

269 >>I am not a lawyer and you should take my statement as admissible in court.

One of these things is not like the other.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 03:40 PM (/tuJf)

270 ... The author of Proposition 47 was none other than (ta-da!) Kamala Harris.
And she gave it the Orwellian Newspeak eumpemism title "The Safe
Neighborhoods and Schools Act."


Safe for thieves and illegals. For citizens in California, not so much.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 18, 2018 03:40 PM (fD23g)

271
Live in southern IL.

Posted by: SMH


Salukis!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 18, 2018 03:40 PM (LsBY9)

272 LOL y5!
Posted by: SMH at D




Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:40 PM (MTjB1)

273 If cops cracked down on this kind of thing, I think we'd see a huge reduction in it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:37 PM (GBteo)

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Two problems with this, as with most crime.

People who tend to do this kind of thing can't/won't pay fines and court costs - so the government has to spend money, rather than make money, to enforce the laws.

People who do this kind of thing might actually be dangerous - meaning the government might face physical risk enforcing the laws.

For most "public servants" laws are only to be enforced when it's safe and profitable.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:40 PM (AzW6q)

274 I guess if this is a real problem it is time to stop using Amazon and tell them why. Let Bezos figure out how to deal with it.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 03:40 PM (hLRSq)

275 Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 03:39 PM (bwqT/)

That's about right, yeah -- I think it's "notorious, open, time &hostile"

Or something similar that you can remember with "NOTH" ha

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:41 PM (GBteo)

276 Live in southern IL.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:39 PM (XGA3u)

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Ooooh.

...thats some SERIOUS cracker country. More Confederate Flags there than Mississippi.

First time we drove to my Sisters in Peoria.... my wife says..... Are we going the right direction???

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:41 PM (8XRCm)

277 264 Is a glitter-IED a Gaymore Mine??
-----------------------
The Fart Spray pretty much nails it.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:41 PM (2LelM)

278 ...thats some SERIOUS cracker country. More Confederate Flags there than Mississippi.

First time we drove to my Sisters in Peoria.... my wife says..... Are we going the right direction???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:41 PM (8XRCm)

---

*grins*

Being a vet helps.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:42 PM (XGA3u)

279
254 hey guys, just to clarify -- you can't actually booby trap your house. Like, legally.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at D


Is surrounding it with a moat well stocked with alligators and piranhas okay?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 18, 2018 03:42 PM (MLfDH)

280 Though it varies from state to state, adverse possession usually has four components: the claimer has to have known that the property wasn't his, he has to make a permanent improvement on it, it has to be done openly, and it has to be done for a certain number of years.

I am not a lawyer and you should take my statement as admissible in court.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

__________

My understand is that in most parts of this country, it's really rare it's ever granted.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:42 PM (UfkIY)

281 Yep, example - fireman who actually do their job and get nailed by the booby trap thing.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 03:37 PM (37IEG)


I hear that all the time. How many times has anything like that actually happened? And for that tiny, tiny percent (if it even exists) the general property rights of all people are strangled. Great ...

If that were such a huge problem then people could just register with the local fire company not to enter. Let the place burn.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 03:42 PM (ndSD+)

282 I'm amazed Amazon isn't pressuring local law enforcement, it's going to deter sales in large swaths of the country.

Maybe Trump can get some votes saying he'll get the feds involved since the packages cross state lines.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:40 PM (UfkIY)

When my Amazon package got stolen, they apologized and overnighted me a replacement.

So it's definitely costing them money.

And yes, I'm also surprised they're not pushing for cops to step up enforcement and/or charging higher rates to ship to zip codes that have higher incidents of this kind of thing and/or saying "no free replacement, it wasn't our fault."

Or something.

I guess they just figure its the cost of doing business.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:42 PM (GBteo)

283 The service delivering dummy packages should offer a Fleshlight filled with Candiru.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:43 PM (444To)

284 Being a vet helps.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:42 PM (XGA3u)

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I love animals too.!!

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:43 PM (8XRCm)

285 you can't actually booby trap your house.

And crippling injury is not appropriate punishment for petty theft. Even against your brother.

Posted by: DaveA at December 18, 2018 03:43 PM (FhXTo)

286 lol garrett.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 03:43 PM (XGA3u)

287 while it is illegal to booby trap your house it is perfectly legal to order bear traps from uncleyankeefifth's pre-set bear traps,

you will recognize them when they are delivered to your porch by the famous baby blue box with the white satin ribbon that says "tiffany's."

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (MTjB1)

288 >>81 You can buy Fart Spray on Amazon. Its from a company called Liquid Ass.

I use that stuff to freshen up my panties.

Posted by: Hillary at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (Zls+j)

289 Shut the fuck up McCarthy!!


Nothing is going on with Huber!!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (qxq6t)

290 Can we do what with SSN?
Posted by: m at December 18, 2018 03:27 PM


Read Blind Man's Bluff.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (ctuyM)

291 I hear that all the time. How many times has anything like that actually happened? And for that tiny, tiny percent (if it even exists) the general property rights of all people are strangled. Great ...

If that were such a huge problem then people could just register with the local fire company not to enter. Let the place burn.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 03:42 PM (ndSD+)

There's a lot of case law on this.

Not necessarily even innocent people getting injured.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (GBteo)

292
dammit

Now I gotta Bing.... "Candiru".....

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (8XRCm)

293 And crippling injury is not appropriate punishment for petty theft. Even against your brother.
Posted by: DaveA at December 18, 2018 03:43 PM (FhXTo)

--------

Hey I told the guy to cut it out about five times. At some point, ya gotta put a stop to it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (AzW6q)

294 I guess they just figure its the cost of doing business.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

__________

can you imagine the Twitter brigade when lots of certain ethnicities get rounded up for this kind of crime?

I have a feeling that is pressuring them to just look the other way. Tech monopolists are very sensitive about their image.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (UfkIY)

295 So why do you plead guilty to something that isn't a crime? Cohn did for leniency on other real crimes he committed.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 03:40 PM (TAmPV)


He pled guilty to lying to the FBI. I assume he did it because he was being threatened with more serious bullshit charges and vendettas the feral government would carry out against his family and everyone he ever knew.

The judge calling him a traitor is friggin ridiculous. That judge needs to be tossed off the bench - unceremoniously and harshly. On his head ... which he obviously doesn't really use much.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (ndSD+)

296 >>If that were such a huge problem then people could just register with the local fire company not to enter. Let the place burn.

That might give your insurance company a little heartburn.

As in they would cancel your policy in the blink of an eye.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (/tuJf)

297 Read Blind Man's Bluff.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM


Good book.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (p+Wdc)

298 So, the answer is Amazon-commissioned DEFFSKWADZ?

Because Bezos' political leanings make me think probably not.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (UnA8+)

299 I wonder what you Enlightenmentists are going to do if the Mueller Stasi and Obama judges help America down the shithole.

Christians already have an out. This world is not our home. We are here as emissaries; we can try to help you out, showing the path to temporal justice and fair-play.

But ultimately, the Christian can be satisfied when the Devil is paid. Because it reaffirms long-delayed rulership over the powers of the Earth.

Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 03:45 PM (vDqXW)

300 If cops cracked down on this kind of thing, I think we'd see a huge reduction in it.
***


Let's suppose your are a cop.

You can either:

Go after "serious crime" - which means the very real chance of being shot, and constant complaints you are rayciss - but at least you feel good about putting seriously bad people away.


Go after middle class crimes - speeding, parking violations, etc. Minimal danger, the "culprits" comply with your commands. No one calls you rayciss.


You can go after low level property theft - you might get physically attacked (because these criminals are painfully stupid), everyone calls you rayciss, and the justice system is just going to let them go with a slap on the wrist anyway.

Is it any surprise cops are jumping to get on these latter types of crime?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 03:45 PM (cRkMZ)

301 Now I gotta Bing.... "Candiru".....
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (8XRCm)

------

Ow.


Now I wish I hadnt.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 03:45 PM (8XRCm)

302 Or something.

I guess they just figure its the cost of doing business.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes


Then it's not costing them enough.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 03:45 PM (xzezz)

303 >>Now I gotta Bing.... "Candiru".....


3rd Baseman for the Brewers from 83-87.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:45 PM (444To)

304

nood

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 03:45 PM (kyzbF)

305
Nothing is going on with Huber!!!!


Huber is Steiner - he will come ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 18, 2018 03:46 PM (MLfDH)

306 Huber must be an actual unicorn, right?

It's not like he really exists, he is an imaginary figure made up by Sessions, correct?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 03:46 PM (UsCnO)

307 The judge calling him a traitor is friggin ridiculous. That judge needs to be tossed off the bench - unceremoniously and harshly. On his head ... which he obviously doesn't really use much.
----------------------
No. Sullivan did this for a reason and then gave Flynn three months to think about things. Who knows what happens in the next couple of months? Worms turn and shit gets unearthed. Sullivan may know things and schedules. One thing for sure Mueller has Flynn by the balls - most likely is targeting Flynn's son.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (2LelM)

308 Our local news did have a story about NJ popo working with Amazon, delivering decoy packages with GPS trackers and then arresting folks. I guess if problem is big enough Amazon twists arms to have have arrests made. And was it Amazon that had an option for folks to give them access so they could leave packages behind the locked door?

Posted by: paleRider at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (eASYU)

309 hey guys, just to clarify -- you can't actually booby trap your house. Like, legally.

It would be very problematic if someone was injured.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:35 PM (GBteo)


Heh. Why would it be "problematic"?

The whole point of this is that law enforcement doesn't seem to give a shit. If they all of a sudden decided to, it seems that the fact that they didn't in the past would make a good defense that you had no other alternative.

You really think this guy could get in trouble for his glitter fart bomb? Are you really concerned about legalities or are you concerned about the criminals? If enough people act against this sort of thuggery, then some actual reform might be put into place.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (/qEW2)

310 Following up:

Trump is running into trouble simply because he tried to break the hold of the powers which control our government--not because he's some virtuous soldier of God.

Daily it seems that the government of America has been seized by a willfulness, that resembles "progressive" politics.

Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 03:48 PM (vDqXW)

311
303 >>Now I gotta Bing.... "Candiru".....

3rd Baseman for the Brewers from 83-87.


oh. i thought it was that reactor in canada used to create radioactive medical compounds.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 18, 2018 03:48 PM (xGZ+b)

312 Huber must be an actual unicorn, right?
--Wait.
WAIT.
WAIT WAIT WAIT
Are you like serious?
Like..
Unicorns don't exist?

Posted by: Alexandra Occasional Cortex at December 18, 2018 03:48 PM (cRkMZ)

313 We have porch pirates where I am, and the extent of the local PD's action is to allow you to post the video evidence of the thieves on their Facebook page. I'm not kidding. One of these incident actually led to an arrest -- by the PD of an adjacent jurisdiction.

I'm thinking what's needed is some sort of radio-frequency gadget, like a transponder or something, that wouldn't go off until it was, say, a hundred yards from my WiFi. That way, it's not me the PD comes to talk to when they investigate how the poor thief go so... disfigured. Anyone care to contribute ideas on how to make such a working device?

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 18, 2018 03:48 PM (fD23g)

314 Is it any surprise cops are jumping to get on these latter types of crime?
Posted by: 18-1

__________

No, but that's not a good excuse.

I'm sure firefighters would rather lift weights all day then run into burning buildings. But they still have to do that if they want to keep their job.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (UfkIY)

315 My understand is that in most parts of this country, it's really rare it's ever granted.

Girl928 had some property in WV where the neighbor had built a barn over the line years ago, before she bought it as it turns out, and was able to slice off the land it sat on plus a few feet from her title.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (CXeIv)

316 There's a lot of case law on this.

Not necessarily even innocent people getting injured.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (GBteo)


I'm talking about the "fireman" canard. How many instances have occurred in this country of firemen actually being hurt because of booby-trapped houses?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (ndSD+)

317 Is it any surprise cops are jumping to get on these latter types of crime?
Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 03:45 PM (cRkMZ)

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I don't think it's necessarily on the street cops, really. I know the SD where I grew up was under orders from on high to enforce the law for maximum profit. This meant a lot of traffic patrol while people cooked meth in a pretty blatant manner.

And, in that Eric Garner case, for instance, it sounds like the NYPD was under orders to bust the hell out of people for loosies because they were cutting into revenues from NY's extortionate tobacco tax.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (AzW6q)

318 Somehow Breakfast at uncleyankeefifth's pre-set bear traps doesn't sound like too romantic a movie.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (Evws/)

319 New one.

Posted by: m at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (Q7mSB)

320 *Rings Bell for New Thread*
Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 03:35 PM


*tweeeeeeet*

Not wearing knit cap. Loss of ding and 5 treat penalty.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (ctuyM)

321 No, but that's not a good excuse.

***

In the aggregate people do what they get rewarded for.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (cRkMZ)

322 That might give your insurance company a little heartburn.

As in they would cancel your policy in the blink of an eye.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 03:44 PM (/tuJf)


But that's a civil matter between you and your insurance company, not the basis for legislation taking away everyone's private property rights.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 03:50 PM (ndSD+)

323 Heh. Why would it be "problematic"?

The whole point of this is that law enforcement doesn't seem to give a shit. If they all of a sudden decided to, it seems that the fact that they didn't in the past would make a good defense that you had no other alternative.

You really think this guy could get in trouble for his glitter fart bomb? Are you really concerned about legalities or are you concerned about the criminals? If enough people act against this sort of thuggery, then some actual reform might be put into place.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (/qEW2)


Fart bomb is probably okay.

But, IIRC, you'll generally be both criminally and civilly liable if you injure someone with a trap.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:51 PM (GBteo)

324 How do you catch a stripper?
Use a booby-trap!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 18, 2018 03:51 PM (Evws/)

325 Girl928 had some property in WV where the neighbor had built a barn over the line years ago, before she bought it as it turns out, and was able to slice off the land it sat on plus a few feet from her title.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

___________

To me, that almost sounds like why the adverse possessions laws are there.

It's the stories of someone mowing part of your lawn and getting to take it from you that are more the urban legend stuff.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:52 PM (UfkIY)

326 And, in that Eric Garner case, for instance, it sounds like the NYPD was
under orders to bust the hell out of people for loosies because they
were cutting into revenues from NY's extortionate tobacco tax.
***

Can you imagine if the GOPe had used his death to campaign against the use of police for revenue reasons in blue states?

I bet you that only a tiny fraction of the people that heard he was killed by rayciss cops ever heard they real reason the cops were busting him..


But then the GOPe would have to give up doing the same thing in red areas of course...


Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 03:52 PM (cRkMZ)

327 I'm talking about the "fireman" canard. How many instances have occurred in this country of firemen actually being hurt because of booby-trapped houses?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 03:49 PM (ndSD+)

I have no idea.

But that kind of thing is probably the public policy reason behind courts being very unforgiving to people who set traps on their property / house against intruders.

Hey man, I didn't make the laws, don't get mad at me ha.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:52 PM (GBteo)

328 No. Sullivan did this for a reason and then gave Flynn three months to think about things. Who knows what happens in the next couple of months? Worms turn and shit gets unearthed. Sullivan may know things and schedules. One thing for sure Mueller has Flynn by the balls - most likely is targeting Flynn's son.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 03:47 PM (2LelM)


Huh?

What do you think Flynn did that could even remotely be called treasonous? Do you really think the judge has some secret knowledge?

The incoming administration talking to foreign counterparts is not treasonous and cannot, in and of itself, ever be in any way close to treasonous. It's not even in the same universe.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 18, 2018 03:53 PM (ndSD+)

329 But, IIRC, you'll generally be both criminally and civilly liable if you injure someone with a trap.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

_________

Plus, what do you think the person is going to do afterwards? He knows where you live.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for these people to be maimed, I have zero compassion. but I'm not having my family become a target from the wrong criminal.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (UfkIY)

330 But, IIRC, you'll generally be both criminally and civilly liable if you injure someone with a trap.

___


That's right officer, I was working on my house and left some yellow caution tape up. Damn shame that porch thief grabbed this hear live electrical wire. Why I never thought someone would do something so....crazy...you know?

Posted by: Some Home Electrician at December 18, 2018 03:54 PM (cRkMZ)

331 It's the stories of someone mowing part of your lawn and getting to take it from you that are more the urban legend stuff.
Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 03:52 PM (UfkIY)

It happens, but not often.

There was a situation I was tangentially involved in where a homeowner owned a piece of land that had a big hill. They only maintained up to the hill, the neighbor mowed & maintained a piece of the property at the bottom of the hill for years, and tried to claim it by adverse possession.

I forget how it turned out though. I'm thinking the original home owners got to keep it because their leach fields were "using" that sliver of property by draining in to it or something. But I could be wrong. Like I said, I wasn't super involved.

But either way, both sides had to hire lawyers and spend money to litigate it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (GBteo)

332 I caught a porch pirate once.
Red handed.
Cops made me let him go.
Guess where I live?

Posted by: backbeat baby at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (w7KSn)

333 To me, that almost sounds like why the adverse possessions laws are there.


I agree. And old tracts used to have really vague descriptions rather than nicely surveyed plots. At one time, Mrs928 did lease mapping for a coal company and some of the deeds had descriptions like, ride west on a mule for the length of time it takes to smoke a cigarette.

Try plotting that out for a coal lease.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (CXeIv)

334 Also the Police: We totally need to assign staff to ticket people for going 1 MPH over the speed limit. What happens if we let people think they can violate the law with impunity???

Posted by: 18-1 at December 18, 2018 03:27 PM


Apparently the French installed all sorts of speed capturing devices that the yellow vests are destroying in huge numbers. There's a whole lot of shit going on over there that the American media is not the least bit interested in reporting.

All sorts of blockades of cities, torching of toll booths, speeding ticket stuff getting murderated.

Socialists must have a little bit of fear right now as to if/when it's gonna end.

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 03:57 PM (jYje5)

335 332 I caught a porch pirate once.
Red handed.
Cops made me let him go.
Guess where I live?
Posted by: backbeat baby at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (w7KSn)

Left coast.

Posted by: m at December 18, 2018 03:58 PM (Q7mSB)

336 Can I make a similar package, but include sharp blades instead of glitter, and actual shit instead of fart spray?

Posted by: Dave G at December 18, 2018 03:58 PM (dUE05)

337 Cops made me let him go.

___

That's right officer he was coming right at me with this kitchen knife like a crazy man. That's when I shot him 20 times. Maybe he was high on PCP or something.

Posted by: Yeah wishful thinking I know at December 18, 2018 03:59 PM (cRkMZ)

338 I agree. And old tracts used to have really vague descriptions rather than nicely surveyed plots. At one time, Mrs928 did lease mapping for a coal company and some of the deeds had descriptions like, ride west on a mule for the length of time it takes to smoke a cigarette.

Try plotting that out for a coal lease.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 03:55 PM (CXeIv)

Ha! I read one not to long ago from the 1800's that said something like "turn left at [John Smiths] rock wall for 15 paces, across the path to the big oak tree" or something ridiculous.
As far as I could tell, no one ever clearly staked it after all these years.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (GBteo)

339

Consider the Emily Ratajkowski Doctrine... if I set a trap in my house and she breaks in, I get to keep her, right?

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 18, 2018 04:01 PM (rr4fE)

340 Before I go to the nood, I'd point out that the French don't use ducks as firemen.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 18, 2018 04:02 PM (Evws/)

341 There was a situation I was tangentially involved in where a homeowner owned a piece of land that had a big hill. They only maintained up to the hill, the neighbor mowed & maintained a piece of the property at the bottom of the hill for years, and tried to claim it by adverse possession.

I forget how it turned out though. I'm thinking the original home owners got to keep it because their leach fields were "using" that sliver of property by draining in to it or something. But I could be wrong. Like I said, I wasn't super involved.

But either way, both sides had to hire lawyers and spend money to litigate it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

____________

The problem with our legal system is, everybody gets their day in court, but that doesn't mean the law is on their side.

I agree though it's best to take steps to avoid someone even getting near a courthouse.

I was sued for stock I owned by a vendor that was owed money by the company I held stock in. Let that sink in.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 04:03 PM (UfkIY)

342 I love how one thief has a rosary on his rear view mirror . . .

Posted by: DynamiteDan at December 18, 2018 04:17 PM (MqzWH)

343 Great idea. Now they know where you live, glitter fart boy.

Posted by: doomed at December 18, 2018 04:33 PM (lYZVM)

344
Personally, I find these kind of crimes to be way more of a quality of life issue for me then people rolling through stop signs or not wearing a seatbelt or whatever other "crimes" the cops spend of their time pursuing, but whatever.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 03:06 PM
---------------------------

But those "crimes" bring in the sweet, sweet lucre necessary for many of these same cities to operate.

NYC and Chicago get about ten percent (10%) of their revenues from tickets and fines. Ferguson Missouri got over half (50%+) of their money via cops writing tickets.

You are not citizens, just assets to be shaken down for money.

Posted by: rd at December 18, 2018 04:50 PM (kfj5i)

345 I've had a few things stolen - a piece of jewelry while I was at school in CA and a statue from my porch in my home state. The statue? The cops didn't give a flying pig's eye about it. When I mentioned it during jury duty, the judge laughed like it was funny (newsflash, theft isn't funny to the victims). The jewelry? I was in CA and the school barely investigated - got back to me at graduation and was all, "couldn't find anything," even though they could have narrowed down the suspects vis a vis all the cameras pointed at the bathroom doors and surrounding hallways... and the fact that it was after hours, so probably less than 20 people had opportunity to commit the crime (pretty sure it was either a classmate or the cleaning staff). I didn't go to the police, since I already knew they wouldn't touch it. Might as well not wear jewelry, honestly.

No one gives a damn about private property anymore. After all, we all pay property tax, anyway. Do we truly even have private property in this country?

How to prevent package thieves: get a mailbox with a mail company - either independent or UPS, with staff who will accept your packages. The only issue you may run into is dumbass companies who refuse to ship to you because they think you have a PO box (or they ship using FedEx, who decides a UPS box is the same as a PO box...).

Posted by: soulpile at December 18, 2018 04:52 PM (VTLGo)

346 The Google maps he shows tracking the package are from just north of Chicago - Evanston/Skokie. Very well-to-do, very "progressive" communities, very much overwhelmed from the crime coming up from their neighboring community to the south. :/

Posted by: Katja at December 18, 2018 05:20 PM (5ltQc)

Actress Reveals That Woody Allen Began a Sexual Relationship With Her When She Was 16

He has a type: Underaged.


A former actress and model has come forward with claims that she had a relationship with Woody Allen that started when she was 16.

...

"What made me speak is I thought I could provide a perspective," she said. "I'm not attacking Woody. This is not 'bring down this man.' I'm talking about my love story. This made me who I am. I have no regrets."

Allen didn’t provide comment to THR and has not responded to a request for comment by PEOPLE.


Engelhardt said the relationship started when she gave Allen her number at a New York City restaurant in 1976 and he called her a few days later to invite her to his apartment. The two continued a relationship for 8 years in which they often met at his penthouse overlooking Central Park.

"The curtains were always drawn," Engelhardt said. "The view must have been spectacular. I wasn’t there for the view."

Woody Allen's movie Manhattan was about a relationship with a 17 year old girl. The basic story was based on Allen's own sexual relationship with actress Stacey Nelkin.

But Woody Allen changed the age of the girl in the story.

Nelkin was actually 16, not 17.

Actually, now that I re-read that Wikipedia article, it claims that while Allen met Nelkin when she was 16, they both claim the relationship didn't begin until she was 17.

Well. Okay. If you both claim that.

Since Woody Allen's "relationship" with his almost-a-daughter was revealed in 1992, I always think of this scene he wrote for Bananas, in which a mad dictator decrees, for unknown reasons, that "all girls under 16 years old... are now... 16 years old."

I can't see that as anything other than a way around statutory rape.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 01:57 PM




Comments

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1 Of course.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (ffYR/)

2 Was this his step daughter? Because if not, it is a step up in the creepiness scale for Woody.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (sX1BW)

3 Hot

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (xJa6I)

4
If she wants to give us "perspective," she should show us her tits.


Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (kyzbF)

5 The word in Hollywood is that Woody Allen is hung like a fruit fly.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (Mouru)

6 grass on the playing field, play ball

Posted by: woody allen at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (VckGX)

7 Hope you aren't holding your hand on your ass waiting for him to be indicted for any sex crimes.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (jxbfJ)

8 All right, more seriously, yes Woody Allen has a 'type' as Ace says.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (xJa6I)

9 I'd hit it.

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary! 2016, Who Will Never Be POTUS at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (Mouru)

10 6
grass on the playing field, play ball


Posted by: woody allen at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (VckGX)
Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed.

Posted by: WOODy Allen at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (jxbfJ)

11 I'd hit it.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (Mouru)

12
Thats what I love about these high school girls man. I get older, they stay the same age.


Alllriiiiiight
Alllriiiiiight
Alllriiiiiight

~Wooody "Wooderson" Allen

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (8XRCm)

13 I'd hit it, but I'd use a smaller wrench.

Posted by: Ike Turner at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (Mouru)

14 Ugh. He is a creepy looking centipede of a man.

Posted by: IC at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (a0IVu)

15 Judge Roy Moore, destroyed over allegations that he dated 17 or 18 year olds.


Woody Allen, actually had relationships with more than one, and will still be applauded by Hollywood.

OK then.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (NgKpN)

16
A very young, hungry actress had a sexual thing with a movie producer/director/actor??

This is unbelievable!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (kyzbF)

17 If a moron did this? You dirty dog! Woody does this? Well, creative people are eccentric.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (RD7QR)

18 Woody Allen likes teenage girls..... likes them in " that" way..... no need to parse this.

Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (90T4r)

19 Honestly, don't get the appeal of younger girls.
But my type is the 25-40 range, maybe even past that if she's into yoga.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (xJa6I)

20 But he's a GREAT ARTIST!!!!!

He MUST BE ALLOWED to have kids on his package.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (F4u7C)

21 I'll bet a 41 year-old and a 16 year-old have a lot to talk about.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (Mouru)

22 Hollywod will give him a new lifetime achievement award at the Oscars.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 01:59 PM (BXMxN)

23 He should move to MA. Age of consent's 16 around here. Creepy as fcku, but legal.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 18, 2018 01:59 PM (p+Wdc)

24 You know, I find a lot of sedition against the FIB at this site!

Posted by: Dem judge at December 18, 2018 01:59 PM (vDqXW)

25 Woody Allen looks like a chihuaha in glasses.....

Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 01:59 PM (90T4r)

26 In Hollywood, when a 75 year old dude has a consensual relationship with a 16 year old girl, he's one of the *good guys*

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 18, 2018 01:59 PM (KUaJL)

27 In the burning times it's going to suck to be Woody.

Posted by: nip at December 18, 2018 01:59 PM (DfGpI)

28
DUDE!!!!! Flip her over and put it in her butt!!!

Posted by: Roman Polanski at December 18, 2018 01:59 PM (8XRCm)

29 Penny Marshall mort at 75 From Effects of Diabeetus

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (BqBId)

30 After 8 year she eas too old for him.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (BXMxN)

31 Well, underage and female, at least give him a modicum of credit for batting on the side he was gender assigned after birth.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (37IEG)

32 15 Judge Roy Moore, destroyed over allegations that he dated 17 or 18 year olds.


Woody Allen, actually had relationships with more than one, and will still be applauded by Hollywood.

OK then.
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (NgKpN)

Oh hell, CONVICTED child rapist Roman Polanski has more than a few supporters.

And he's still doing it, by the way. He almost got jail time for getting caught with a 14 year old girl this year, if I'm remembering right.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (xJa6I)

33 Portnoy's Complaint? Woody, Harvey, Anthony, Les.... The list is long.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (2LelM)

34 If she wants to give us "perspective," she should show us her tits.


Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (kyzbF)


Soothsayer for President!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (F4u7C)

35 Meh.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (BTfTz)

36
Laverne is mortadella?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (kyzbF)

37 RIP Lavern...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (xJa6I)

38 Woody Allen, actually had relationships with more than one, and will still be applauded by Hollywood.

OK then.
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (NgKpN)
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I'm disgusted.

Posted by: Roman Polanski, buggerer of 13 year old hotties--which isn't RAPE-rape. at December 18, 2018 02:01 PM (vDqXW)

39 Degenerate.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 02:01 PM (J+mig)

40 Penny Marshall mort at 75 From Effects of Diabeetus
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (BqBId)

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bummer.....

She was a flaming lib, but she was perferct for Lavern and Shirley.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:01 PM (8XRCm)

41
I saw a pic of Laverne yesterday and she looked very bloated.

And now she's mort.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 02:01 PM (kyzbF)

42 Why is this coming out now? This chick needs money? She isn't saying this is a #metoo. She went up to him and gave her number. Did we need some additional evidence of creepiness?

Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 02:01 PM (ZfRYq)

43 Laverne Defasio! Where are you going dressed like that!

Posted by: Mama Defasio at December 18, 2018 02:01 PM (37IEG)

44 RIP Lavern...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (xJa6I)
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Surely, you are joking.

Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 02:01 PM (vDqXW)

45
Lenny & Squiggy still alive?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (kyzbF)

46 Woody Allen looks like a face transplant recipient

his movies make me feel like a face transplant recipient

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (RKQ/v)

47 Pervywood gots to perv.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (pw+jk)

48 he is dyed in the wool lefty, so its OK

Posted by: TX 32 orphan at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (Wa5hI)

49 But Trump fucked a 29 year old once. And that is 1000000x worse.

Posted by: MSM at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (BTfTz)

50 Oh hell, CONVICTED child rapist Roman Polanski has more than a few supporters.

------

....convicted child ANAL rapist.....

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (8XRCm)

51 As Ned Flanders said once, I like Woody Allen movies except for that nervous guy who's always in them.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (xJa6I)

52 It says in this here plea agreement with Mr. Mueller that everyone has agreed that the young lady was 21.

If you insist on calling into question a United States of America plea agreement I can't guarantee that I won't impose a long sentence of incarceration.

On the other hand, perhaps you would like a delay to consider entering into an amended plea agreement in which the young lady was actually 29.

Posted by: Judge Sullivan at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (DuAZ5)

53 "all girls under 16 years old...are now....16 years old."

Does this approach work? Well, OK then!


All Trump employees not Russian agents are now....Russian agents!



Posted by: Bob Mueller, Rabid Democrat Star Chamber Operator at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (LISuA)

54 Laverne DeFasio sleeps with the fishes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (Mouru)

55 Meh. I don't really care who the little slut fucked, and whether she was 16 or 17 or 14. The whole idea that teenagers can't give consent to someone over 17 is preposterous.

And yes, Woody is creeeeeeepy.

Posted by: kathysaysso at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (vkS2Z)

56 Does Woody Allen have a newsletter? And some paste, but mostly paste.

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (pw+jk)

57
Laverne directed that stupid stupid womens baseball movie.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (kyzbF)

58 Lenny & Squiggy still alive?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (kyzbF)



Lenny has an ongoing role in Better Call Saul.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (Mouru)

59 Laverne is mortadella?
Posted by: Soothsayer


Shirley you jest.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (xzezz)

60 Degenerate.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 02:01 PM (J+mig)

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No.


Ellen is a live and well.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (8XRCm)

61

I think Laverne also directed SPLASH.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (kyzbF)

62 Hollywood will be burned and those that look back will be turned to salt.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:04 PM (F4u7C)

63 -
--

The word in Hollywood is that Woody Allen is hung like a fruit fly.


Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM

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something,something,... like a fruit fly down an Annie Hallway.

Posted by: irright at December 18, 2018 02:04 PM (pMGkg)

64

Laverne also directed Rocky V.

And Star Wars.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 02:04 PM (kyzbF)

65 Hmmm.... OK, so when does this woman get the Milo Treatment?

She is saying that it was OK for her to date Woody... she has no regrets.

Thus making pedophilia OK... which is pretty much exactly what Milo got cast out for.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 02:04 PM (NgKpN)

66 Actually, I guess I only like a few of his movies.

Love and Death
Radio Days
Sleeper
What's up Tigerlily (one of the funniest movies I've seen)

Crimes and Misdemeanors
Manhattan Murder Mystery

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:04 PM (xJa6I)

67
There's no crying in baseball??

No, Laverne, there's no women in baseball.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 02:05 PM (kyzbF)

68 When you are famous they let you grab them by their

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 02:05 PM (hLRSq)

69 Laverne of "Lavern & Shirley" dies at 75.

Posted by: SMOD at December 18, 2018 02:05 PM (NVmJr)

70 75 seems young

Posted by: Max Power at December 18, 2018 02:05 PM (llxrS)

71 *types*

*deletes*

*types*

*deletes*

Ahhh, what's the fucking point. Liberal rape children and get away with it.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 18, 2018 02:06 PM (H7LIz)

72 That Woody Allen! What a degenerate creep!

Posted by: Jeffrey Epstein at December 18, 2018 02:06 PM (DuAZ5)

73 Laverne of "Lavern & Shirley" dies at 75.
Posted by: SMOD at December 18, 2018 02:05 PM (NVmJr)

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Dude. Skipping the content??? Totes OK.

Skipping the comments??? Not totes Ok.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:06 PM (8XRCm)

74 Him banging a 16 year old who came on to him big time (read the story) when he was younger is less creepy then him marrying his step daughter.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:06 PM (GBteo)

75

And he will never be gang raped in a prison shower...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 18, 2018 02:06 PM (rr4fE)

76 Funny connection, Woody's parents rented their apartment from Trump's dad. They moved out when Trump's dad integrated the apartment building. Probably bought a house from Trump's dad on Long Island.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 02:06 PM (2LelM)

77 It is far better to actually grab underage by their pussies than to say that women that of age will let you grab them by their pussies.



Posted by: Bill Kristol at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (pw+jk)

78 Hurm, hash change. I sorta miss the old one.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (xJa6I)

79 Posted by: Adirondack Patriot

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE... WELL, FUCK. MIGHT NOT BE FUNNY.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (HtLSE)

80 Woody can tell an angry parent the girl was "technically" 17 when he started doinking her, while that person beats him to death with his own femur.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (VpIIl)

81 My own theory, which doesn't hold water, is that the men who still pursue girls way younger than adults are emotionally stuck in jr. high school, a time when perhaps their raging sexual needs were frustrated, hidden, ridiculed even. Maybe they were tormented with obsessional thoughts over a particular girl that they never could attain, but still carry on this ideal in their heads of what they really, really want.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (Kcf2u)

82 Penny Marshall was once married to Rob Reiner.

Maybe that was her first cry for help?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (H7LIz)

83 Hmmm.... OK, so when does this woman get the Milo Treatment?

She is saying that it was OK for her to date Woody... she has no regrets.

Thus making pedophilia OK... which is pretty much exactly what Milo got cast out for.
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 02:04 PM (NgKpN)

No, Milo got cast out because he (inadvertently) called attention to the link between homosexuality and pedophilia.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (KUaJL)

84
🐾

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (kyzbF)

85 67
There's no crying in baseball??

No, Laverne, there's no women in baseball.
-----------------------
Cuz girls throw like Obama.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (2LelM)

86 They moved out when Trump's dad integrated the apartment building.


-----


And by their deeds you shall know them.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (8XRCm)

87 Didn't Woody Allen double date with Errol Flynn?

Wait, isn't Errol Flynn related to General Flynn?

Did they ever date any Russian girls? Did one or both of them speak Russian? I mean, did they ever say DatsforDanya or something?

I think we have a case here!

Posted by: Robert Mueller. at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (37IEG)

88
"Well. Okay. If you both claim that."

Dude, #BelieveAllWomen . They wouldn't lie about such a serious manner.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at December 18, 2018 02:08 PM (1hM1d)

89 I can assure you none of my ficuses were underage!

Posted by: Harvey Weinstein at December 18, 2018 02:08 PM (DuAZ5)

90 80 Woody can tell an angry parent the girl was "technically" 17 when he started doinking her, while that person beats him to death with his own femur.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (VpIIl)


She was 16 when she gave him her number... at 17 she was going to his apartment.

Parents were all in on this.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 02:08 PM (NgKpN)

91
82 Penny Marshall was once married to Rob Reiner.

Maybe that was her first cry for help?
----------------------
Does Rob have diabetes as well? He looks like a bloated fish too.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 02:08 PM (2LelM)

92 Rush had an interesting observation..

Sullivan said something like "I've never accepted a guilty plea from someone who is not guilty, and I'm not going to start now"

Sullivan read those documents.. he know Flynn is not guilty of this charge.

So Flynn was coerced or convinced to cop this plea to save his son? save himself from something worse?

And Sullivan threw Flynn a bone.. and told him to think about it for a while..

Mueller's gotta be pissed as hell today.

The lying charge is false.. doubly so.. because he didn't lie, and because it was based on a bullshit wire tap that should have never been put in place in the first place.. maybe triply so because Flynn should never have been identified/un-masked!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 02:08 PM (so+oy)

93 Cuz girls throw like Obama.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (2LelM)

---

No, I do not.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (XGA3u)

94 70 75 seems young
Posted by: Max Power at December 18, 2018 02:05 PM (llxrS)

Yeah, nowadays. It's not a bad run.

Funny her dying from something Wilford Brimley has survived so long. She ought to have had the money to afford treatment.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (xJa6I)

95 "But my type is the 25-40 range, maybe even past that if she's into yoga."

Yoo hoo!

Posted by: Lena at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (ctuyM)

96 So, Trump said that he could grab women by the pussy because he was a billionaire and he's the most evil person ever.

Woody Allen actually sticks his willy in underage women's pussies and he's a humanitarian.

God, SMOD or SMOD by God......I don't care. Bring it soon.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (F4u7C)

97 If she was underage, Woody would peck her.

Posted by: Roy at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (9rXxD)

98 75 seems young
Posted by: Max Power


Especially when you are that rich.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (xzezz)

99 87 Didn't Woody Allen double date with Errol Flynn?

Wait, isn't Errol Flynn related to General Flynn?

Did they ever date any Russian girls? Did one or both of them speak Russian? I mean, did they ever say DatsforDanya or something?

I think we have a case here!
Posted by: Robert Mueller. at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (37IEG)

Ah. a new game? 6 degrees of separation from Trump Collusion?

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (NgKpN)

100
remember BOO BOO KITTY?

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at December 18, 2018 02:10 PM (kyzbF)

101 Laverne and Shirley had nothing on Pinky Tuscadero.

Posted by: Arthur Fonzarelli at December 18, 2018 02:10 PM (H7LIz)

102 Cuz girls throw like Obama.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (2LelM)


My daughter doesn't......

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:10 PM (F4u7C)

103 I like my girls with a mustache.

Posted by: Guermo "Dirty" Sanchez at December 18, 2018 02:11 PM (pw+jk)

104 I know I've said this before, but 16 or 17 is not underage in most states and certainly not historically or world-wide.

Again, I have great grandparents that married at 13 and had kids at 14. Farmer types but still.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:11 PM (xJa6I)

105 No, Milo got cast out because he (inadvertently) called attention to the link between homosexuality and pedophilia.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (KUaJL)

-------------

Ben Shapiro had a hand in this too. Milo was challenging Benjy for College speaking gigs.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 02:11 PM (ffYR/)

106 Raise your hand if you believe Woddy's taken it up the squeakhole a few times...

Posted by: Marcus T at December 18, 2018 02:12 PM (VpIIl)

107 If she wants to give us "perspective," she should show us her tits.





Posted by: Soothsayer



Promote that guy.

Posted by: Bah Da Boom Guy at December 18, 2018 02:12 PM (88+cf)

108 -
--
remember BOO BOO KITTY?


Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at December 18, 2018 02:10 PM

------------------

No. But I remember Honey Boo Boo.

Posted by: Woody Allen at December 18, 2018 02:12 PM (pMGkg)

109 Penny Marshall looked like Ozzy Osbourne in her final days.

Glasses and hair.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 18, 2018 02:12 PM (H7LIz)

110 I swear that Hollywood is begging for the smighting. SMOD take us now.

Posted by: Usntakim profoundly deplorable at December 18, 2018 02:12 PM (0OmEj)

111 104 I know I've said this before, but 16 or 17 is not underage in most states and certainly not historically or world-wide.

Again, I have great grandparents that married at 13 and had kids at 14. Farmer types but still.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:11 PM (xJa6I)

Yeah, its interesting that we sexualize kids earlier and earlier.

Yet deny that they are Sexual beings until 18?

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 02:12 PM (NgKpN)

112 the comment that didn't age well .....from an earlier thread.....
76
I love it when Ace goes on a rant - especially when engaged in diverting
from Michael Flynn prostrating himself before a federal court judge and
confessing to being a total stooge sell-out nitwit borderline traitor.

Posted by: Space Ace at December 18, 2018 12:18 PM (x+yK4)

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 18, 2018 02:12 PM (0O7c5)

113 Ben Shapiro had a hand in this too. Milo was challenging Benjy for College speaking gigs.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 02:11 PM (ffYR/)


I still want to know how much Soros money is in Ben's bank account.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:12 PM (F4u7C)

114
Ah. a new game? 6 degrees of separation from Trump Collusion?

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (NgKpN)

6? Why stop at 6?
220, 221. Whatever it takes!

Posted by: Robert Mueller. at December 18, 2018 02:13 PM (37IEG)

115 90 80 Woody can tell an angry parent the girl was "technically" 17 when he started doinking her, while that person beats him to death with his own femur.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (VpIIl)


She was 16 when she gave him her number... at 17 she was going to his apartment.

Parents were all in on this.
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 02:08 PM (NgKpN)

It's funny how often it turns out that the parents basically pimped their child out. Well, "funny" in the same sense as "vile."

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at December 18, 2018 02:13 PM (RD7QR)

116 So a freak from NY who also made it big in movies rapes underage girls.
Gee...I'm so surprised.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 02:13 PM (0tfLf)

117 Raise your hand if you believe Woddy's taken it up the squeakhole a few times...
Posted by: Marcus T at December 18, 2018 02:12 PM (VpIIl)


I hear he's got a refrigerator in his bedroom to keep the cucumbers fresh, longer.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:13 PM (F4u7C)

118 Leather Tuscadero (played by Suzy Quatro) was better that Pinky Tuscadero.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 18, 2018 02:13 PM (H7LIz)

119 Brooke Shields.....

Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (90T4r)

120 It's funny how often it turns out that the parents basically pimped their child out.

------

Wut?

Posted by: Mr and Mrs Caulkin at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (8XRCm)

121 81 My own theory, which doesn't hold water, is that the men who still pursue girls way younger than adults are emotionally stuck in jr. high school, a time when perhaps their raging sexual needs were frustrated, hidden, ridiculed even. Maybe they were tormented with obsessional thoughts over a particular girl that they never could attain, but still carry on this ideal in their heads of what they really, really want.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 18, 2018 02:07 PM (Kcf2u)


That, plus a bit of Napoleonic complex, since it seems most of these guys are short (I just looked up Woody Allen: 5'5"), and very young girls are easier to dominate psychologically.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (pz2C4)

122 16 yrs old.. and she was almost 17.. meh..

She initiated it.. so, big deal.. it's NYC.. city girls grow up faster..

Nobody would say a word if she was bopping a 16 yr old from her high school..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (so+oy)

123 Yeah, I can't muster any moral outrage about 16- and 17-year-olds having sex absent some special circumstances (like teacher-student relationships).

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (zO1cf)

124 @92


I don't see how the judge blowing up a plea deal that would have resulted in zero jail time and keep Flynn on Mueller's leash for three more months is throwing Flynn a bone.


This is a complete and total shit show.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (qxq6t)

125 104 I know I've said this before, but 16 or 17 is not underage in most states and certainly not historically or world-wide.

Again, I have great grandparents that married at 13 and had kids at 14. Farmer types but still.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:11 PM (xJa6I)

I largely agree.

I personally wouldn't be interested in a 16 year old girl, but we have a weird hang up on these things in the US.

16 is the legal age of consent in many states.

And 16 year olds are having sex with other 16 year olds.

We try 16 year olds as adults pretty often.

We allow 16 year olds to drive cars.

...anyways.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (GBteo)

126 103
I like my girls with a mustache.


Posted by: Guermo "Dirty" Sanchez at December 18, 2018 02:11 PM (pw+jk)
That is how we tell men from women in the old country!
The men have better mustaches!

Posted by: Kashmiri immigrant at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (37IEG)

127 They call him Woody because he has a pencil dick.

Posted by: wth at December 18, 2018 02:15 PM (HgMAr)

128 We allow 16 year olds to drive cars.



...anyways.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (GBteo)
And get abortions without parental consent.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 02:15 PM (37IEG)

129 111 104 I know I've said this before, but 16 or 17 is not underage in most states and certainly not historically or world-wide.

Again, I have great grandparents that married at 13 and had kids at 14. Farmer types but still.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:11 PM (xJa6I)

Yeah, its interesting that we sexualize kids earlier and earlier.

Yet deny that they are Sexual beings until 18?
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 02:12 PM (NgKpN)

I think that's why you have to watch teenagers like a hawk, because some of them WILL get into trouble, sexually. Hell, I remember being 14 and 15, I'd have fucked a knothole made of ironwood.

I DON'T endorse sexualizing kids though. That's just adding gasoline to a campfire.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:15 PM (xJa6I)

130 I can't see that as anything other than a way around statutory rape.
===

Well, that, or maybe the mad dictator is in favor of kids driving.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at December 18, 2018 02:15 PM (0JUQP)

131 I know I've said this before, but 16 or 17 is not underage in most states and certainly not historically or world-wide.


6 is marrying and 9 is breeding.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 02:16 PM (xzezz)

132 It was a big thing by me years ago for people to send their kids into NYC for acting lessons, meetings with their "talent scouts" and auditions. Oddly, a lot of these people didn't want parents around. I told the parents they were certifiably nuts, but they all "trusted" these people. It turned out to be a big mistake for some. That industry is filled with sexual predators.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 18, 2018 02:16 PM (VpIIl)

133 Old enough to sit at the table. Old enough to eat.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 02:16 PM (2LelM)

134 Was this legal when it happened? 16 is the age of consent in many places.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 02:16 PM (BTfTz)

135 so we're all upset that Woody was singing "You're 16, You're beautiful, and you're mine!"

We need to ban that song, along with "Baby it's cold outside".

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 02:17 PM (37IEG)

136 118 Leather Tuscadero (played by Suzy Quatro) was better that Pinky Tuscadero.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 18, 2018 02:13 PM (H7LIz)

Wouldn't toss either of them out of bed for eating crackers.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:17 PM (xJa6I)

137
The judge gave Flynn an ultimatum:

Either request a delay in sentencing or I'll hit you with jail time despite this plea deal.

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at December 18, 2018 02:17 PM (kyzbF)

138 134 Was this legal when it happened? 16 is the age of consent in many places.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 02:16 PM (BTfTz)

I think the article says the age of consent in NY is 17.

But obviously the statute of limitations has long since run.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:17 PM (GBteo)

139 16 is the age of consent in more than a few states. Not sure about New York in 1976.

Posted by: OCBill at December 18, 2018 02:17 PM (df+Zi)

140 Is there anything to corroborate her story? When looking at Allen's life the Sun Yi thing is definitely creepy and inappropriate, but apart from that, his primary relationships seem to have been with adult women, Lasser, Keaton and Farrow.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 02:18 PM (/qEW2)

141 96 So, Trump said that he could grab women by the pussy because he was a billionaire and he's the most evil person ever.

Woody Allen actually sticks his willy in underage women's pussies and he's a humanitarian.

God, SMOD or SMOD by God......I don't care. Bring it soon.
Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (F4u7C)


Remember when Woody Allen said that Obama should be given dictatorial powers?

Posted by: rickl at December 18, 2018 02:18 PM (xjiRE)

142
Remember when Woody Allen said that Obama should be given dictatorial powers?
Posted by: rickl at December 18, 2018 02:18 PM (xjiRE)


Prolly cuz Woody knew his pedophilia would come out at some point and would need a pardon.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:18 PM (F4u7C)

143 Is there anything to corroborate her story?
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear



Doesn't matter. I'm believing her.

#BelieveAllWomen

Life's a bitch.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 02:19 PM (xzezz)

144 just looked it up -- age of consent in NY is currently 17.

Article said it was 17 in 1970whatever, too.

But again, statute of limitations has long since run.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:19 PM (GBteo)

145 Is there anything to corroborate her story? When looking at Allen's life the Sun Yi thing is definitely creepy and inappropriate, but apart from that, his primary relationships seem to have been with adult women, Lasser, Keaton and Farrow.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 02:18 PM (/qEW2)


We don't know this at all, truth be told.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:19 PM (F4u7C)

146 Was she on the pill?

Who did she practice on before Allen?

Posted by: torabora at December 18, 2018 02:20 PM (l4NG+)

147 SMOD? Sweet Mother of Death?

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 18, 2018 02:20 PM (a3tan)

148 Since Woody Allen's "relationship" with his almost-a-daughter was revealed in 1992,



*******


It may have bbeen Margaret Thatcher who said "The problem with being a socialist pedophile is that eventually you run out of other people's children."

Posted by: Muldoon at December 18, 2018 02:20 PM (lLoBm)

149 Remember when Woody Allen said that Obama should be given dictatorial powers?
Posted by: rickl at December 18, 2018 02:18 PM (xjiRE)


All he needed was an Enabling Act.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 18, 2018 02:20 PM (pz2C4)

150 Stories like this are what makes people fantasize about implementing the 2nd Amendment upon the sex offender registry.

Posted by: Todd Picayune at December 18, 2018 02:20 PM (CkNGY)

151 Don't understand what an older man would see in an adolescent girl (except the obvious).

Probably no common interests. (well, except one)

Posted by: Charlotte the sailor at December 18, 2018 02:20 PM (lGLBx)

152 75 seems young
Posted by: Max Power at December 18, 2018 02:05 PM (llxrS)

Yeah, nowadays. It's not a bad run.

Funny her dying from something Wilford Brimley has survived so long. She ought to have had the money to afford treatment.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo a

.............

Type I or Type II? Big difference.. and none of the articles say..

But a life with diabetes wreaks havoc on blood vessels and kidneys, leading to heart problems, etc.. whether you take insulin properly or not.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 02:20 PM (so+oy)

153 SMOD? Sweet Mother of Death?
Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 18, 2018 02:20 PM (a3tan)


Meteor.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:20 PM (F4u7C)

154 146 Was she on the pill?

Who did she practice on before Allen?
Posted by: torabora at December 18, 2018 02:20 PM (l4NG+)

She claims to have been sexually molested by two men previously to her going up to Allen and giving him her phone number.

Read the article, ha.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:21 PM (GBteo)

155 Norma Louise Kuzma.....

Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 02:21 PM (90T4r)

156 A 13-year-old boy and a 13-year-old girl marrying? There's historical precedent for that from a day when average lifespan was 45 years and death in childbirth was rampant. A 13-year-old dating a 45-year-old man? Much, much more problematic.

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at December 18, 2018 02:21 PM (RD7QR)

157 16 year olds? YUCK!
TOOOLD!

Posted by: Sen Menendez at December 18, 2018 02:21 PM (cRkMZ)

158 My stupid/beloved Rottweiler...I hire a guy to help repair my fence. Now Logan is at the window barking at him.

Dogs....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:21 PM (xJa6I)

159 apart from that, his primary relationships seem to have been with adult women, Lasser, Keaton and Farrow.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018

*
*
Yes, all three were much the same type, and they all look very much alike. Stacey in her young pics on IMDb was very different from them.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 18, 2018 02:21 PM (PFlOK)

160 134
Was this legal when it happened? 16 is the age of consent in many places.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at December 18, 2018 02:16 PM (BTfTz)
No, see it's anorher of the have it both ways rule - if a girl who's 16 wants to do something like have a abortion, she's an adult and can decide for herself.
If she gets boned by a guy we think is okay, Likey dreamy Woody or Roman Polanski, it's okay.
If she wants birth control, you should pay for it.
Vs
If she gets boned by a guy we don't like, she's practically a baby!
If she needs health insurance, she's not an adult until she's 27.Kinda like charging people who kill a pregnant woman with TWO murders, but allowing someone to abort that 'bonus' kill without anyone being charge with anything. Depends on our mood. That's how law works!

Posted by: Texas SJW at December 18, 2018 02:21 PM (37IEG)

161 OLD joke only those well over 40 would get.

Q: Who's in the film business and comes in a little yellow box?

A: Woody Allen.

Hard to believe that joke is 30 some odd years old and still hits the nail on the head.


Posted by: clutch cargo at December 18, 2018 02:22 PM (6PYRI)

162 Hmmm.... OK, so when does this woman get the Milo Treatment?

She is saying that it was OK for her to date Woody... she has no regrets.

Thus making pedophilia OK... which is pretty much exactly what Milo got cast out for.
Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 02:04 PM (NgKpN)


Assuming this is true, she is just recounting a personal detail about how she felt.

When gay guys like Milo or Mr. Sulu recount this, they are trying to imply that it is okay in general. IIRC Milo hinted at that, but here Engelhardt is only talking about herself.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 02:22 PM (/qEW2)

163 Woody: Not Gay

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 18, 2018 02:22 PM (oVJmc)

164 No, really, it's ok.


Woody is a Leftie, and they are so much more mature than us rubes, so it naturally follows his Leftie women are mature beyond their ages, too.


16 for a Leftie woman is like 25 or 30 in rube years.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 02:22 PM (UsCnO)

165 152 75 seems young
Posted by: Max Power at December 18, 2018 02:05 PM (llxrS)

Yeah, nowadays. It's not a bad run.

Funny her dying from something Wilford Brimley has survived so long. She ought to have had the money to afford treatment.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo a

.............

Type I or Type II? Big difference.. and none of the articles say..

But a life with diabetes wreaks havoc on blood vessels and kidneys, leading to heart problems, etc.. whether you take insulin properly or not.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 02:20 PM (so+oy)

My dad has type 2, it made him lose weight and overall get healthier but it was a serious health scare. He's about Penny Marshall's age, too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:23 PM (xJa6I)

166 151 Don't understand what an older man would see in an adolescent girl (except the obvious).

Probably no common interests. (well, except one)
Posted by: Charlotte the sailor at December 18, 2018 02:20 PM (lGLBx)

Yes, well, girls in their late teens / early 20's are usually at peak attractiveness and are willing to please. Some guys are in to that power dynamic difference.

The flip side is that they're in their late teens / early 20's and are ridiculously and annoyingly immature.

I have a 30 year old friend dating a 21 year old girl. It's very trying on my patience to spend too much time around her.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:23 PM (GBteo)

167 I said a few months ago that Crimes and Misdemeanors seems to suggest that Allen committed some "unpardonable" sin, and that got dismissed fast.

Posted by: Axeman at December 18, 2018 02:23 PM (vDqXW)

168 A 13-year-old dating a 45-year-old man? Much, much more problematic.

Posted by: joncelli

----


Hey! Back off there cityboy!!

Posted by: Eastern Kentucky at December 18, 2018 02:23 PM (+IAze)

169 Hollywood cheered Polanski, who buttfucked a 13 year old after her drugged her.

They're not going to have any problems with Woody.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 18, 2018 02:24 PM (oVJmc)

170 Time is ripe for a bad joke. So, here's a bad joke.

*did'ja hear 'bout the Jewish Dirty Old Man?

...pulls up in his creepy creeper van, leers out the window and in his dirty old man hoarse scratchy voice says.... "wanna buy some candy, little gurrrrrllll?"*


end of bad joke


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 18, 2018 02:24 PM (QzJWU)

171 I see why they call him 'Woody.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 18, 2018 02:24 PM (oVJmc)

172
But he's funny, so it's alright.
But he's brilliant, so it's alright.
This whole culture is just one big sliding scale of dreck.
Both politics and entertainment, but I repeat myself.

Posted by: grammie winger, church pirate at December 18, 2018 02:24 PM (lwiT4)

173 Hollywood cheered Polanski, who buttfucked a 13 year old after her drugged her.

They're not going to have any problems with Woody.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 18, 2018 02:24 PM (oVJmc)


Because ARTIST!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:24 PM (F4u7C)

174
*tosses sock in the hamper

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:24 PM (8XRCm)

175 148 Since Woody Allen's "relationship" with his almost-a-daughter was revealed in 1992,



*******


It may have bbeen Margaret Thatcher who said "The problem with being a socialist pedophile is that eventually you run out of other people's children."
Posted by: Muldoon at December 18, 2018 02:20 PM (lLoBm)

LOL
and shame on you.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:24 PM (xJa6I)

176 When I think of Woody Allen, all I come up with is him in bed, yelling "Who's your daddy?"

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 18, 2018 02:24 PM (DodRu)

177 Sure, but write a song about it...

youtu.be/4aWhn0Hc8ps

Posted by: Benny Mardones at December 18, 2018 02:25 PM (7HtZB)

178 Thank heaven for little girls

For little girls get bigger every day!

Thank heaven for little girls
They grow up in the most delightful way!

Those little eyes so helpless and appealing
One day will flash and send you crashing thru the ceiling

Good thing Woody is short.

Posted by: clutch cargo at December 18, 2018 02:25 PM (6PYRI)

179 So, if the judge is trying to send a message to Flynn and his lawyers he is doing a pretty shitty job of it as no one knows what the hell he is trying to say...

Posted by: DXO at December 18, 2018 02:27 PM (nzKWW)

180 yeah, now that I think about it -- there are a lot of creepy songs about underage girls out there, aren't there?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:27 PM (GBteo)

181 Anybody else remember that scene in Annie Hall when Woody Allen's character (Alvie) is picked up by his friend Rob (Tony Roberts) at the airport and Rob talks about being with tiwns, blonde 12-year olds? It has a new meaning in light of the past few year's allegations.

Posted by: butch at December 18, 2018 02:27 PM (hXu8T)

182 Well, she was just seventeen,
you know what I mean...

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 18, 2018 02:28 PM (oVJmc)

183 yeah, now that I think about it -- there are a lot of creepy songs about underage girls out there, aren't there?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:27 PM (GBteo)


Was mentioning something the other day how a LOT of Sammy Hagar songs have a girl coming home from school and disrobing in some form or fashion........

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:28 PM (F4u7C)

184 176
When I think of Woody Allen, all I come up with is him in bed, yelling "Who's your daddy?"

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 18, 2018 02:24 PM (DodRu)
I picture him yelling "Where's my therapist!"

Posted by: Texas SJW at December 18, 2018 02:28 PM (37IEG)

185 Penny Marshall is dead, yet RBG keeps going and going and going....like the Marxist Energizer Bunny.

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at December 18, 2018 02:28 PM (FRu1e)

186 Judge Moore says hi

Posted by: Jean at December 18, 2018 02:29 PM (sFO1P)

187 183 yeah, now that I think about it -- there are a lot of creepy songs about underage girls out there, aren't there?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:27 PM (GBteo)

Was mentioning something the other day how a LOT of Sammy Hagar songs have a girl coming home from school and disrobing in some form or fashion........
Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:28 PM (F4u7C)

Rag Doll by Aerosmith

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:29 PM (xJa6I)

188 Penny Marshall is dead, yet RBG keeps going and going and going....like the Marxist Energizer Bunny.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at December 18, 2018 02:28 PM (FRu1e)


Notorious RBG eats fetus's......Best way to get stem cells.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:29 PM (F4u7C)

189 Jerry Lee Lewis.....

Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 02:29 PM (90T4r)

190 145 Is there anything to corroborate her story? When looking at Allen's life the Sun Yi thing is definitely creepy and inappropriate, but apart from that, his primary relationships seem to have been with adult women, Lasser, Keaton and Farrow.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear
_________________

Yes, others have corroborated that she had a relationship with Allen when she was a teen. The Hollywood Reporter article said that Allen would call her at her parents' home (where she lived), and her brother and mother both verified that. A friend who would drop her off at Allen's apartment also confirmed it. As did the girl's agent who is the person she was dining with at Elaine's when she first met Allen.

And Allen had other sexual relationships with teens, including Nelkin, on whom the Manhattan movie is partially based. Englehart (the girl in this story) says that Allen had several other young lovers during the 8 years they were together, and he often had them over for threesomes with Englehart. And of course we know that Allen was having sex with a teenage Soon Yi while he was dating Farrow, so who knows how many other teen lovers there have been over the years?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 18, 2018 02:30 PM (fqUgw)

191 I approve.

Posted by: Mohammed at December 18, 2018 02:30 PM (fJD5I)

192
Ah Woody. Got caught doing the vodi-oh-do-do.

Posted by: Laverne at December 18, 2018 02:30 PM (8XRCm)

193 191 I approve.
Posted by: Mohammed at December 18, 2018 02:30 PM (fJD5I)


It took to 191 for this?

We're slacking......

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:30 PM (F4u7C)

194 I love little girls:
https://youtu.be/H2LQMElLoLs

"Uh oh (uh oh), I'm in trouble (I'm in trouble)
Uh oh (uh oh), the little girls was just too little
Too little, too little, too little, too little
Too little, too little, too little, too little..."

Posted by: clutch cargo at December 18, 2018 02:31 PM (6PYRI)

195 I have a 30 year old friend dating a 21 year old girl. It's very trying on my patience to spend too much time around her.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:23 PM (GBteo)

Yes. I know the feeling. I can't deal with drama or stupidity.

Posted by: Charlotte the sailor at December 18, 2018 02:31 PM (lGLBx)

196 I just saw Alex the Chick's twitter feed for today.

I know folks here might disagree but I really like Taylor Swift.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 02:31 PM (xJa6I)

197 Jerry Lee Lewis.....
Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 02:29 PM (90T4r)

-----

Bb-b-b-b-but he made an honest woman out of his 13 year old cousin and married her.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:31 PM (8XRCm)

198 It may have bbeen Margaret Thatcher who said "The problem with being a socialist pedophile is that eventually you run out of other people's children."
Posted by: Muldoon at December 18, 2018 02:20 PM (lLoBm)

You bring shame to your ancestors!

Posted by: Muldoon's Grandma at December 18, 2018 02:31 PM (NWiLs)

199 193
191 I approve.

Posted by: Mohammed at December 18, 2018 02:30 PM (fJD5I)



It took to 191 for this?



We're slacking......

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 02:30 PM (F4u7C)
16? She practically a, how you say? old maid?

Posted by: Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed at December 18, 2018 02:32 PM (37IEG)

200 It took to 191 for this?

Wow, I just assumed...
F*cked the pooch on that one.

Posted by: clutch cargo at December 18, 2018 02:32 PM (6PYRI)

201 I know Drudge likes to stir the pot, but it is maddening that we don't have money for a wall, but we do have close to $5 billion in foreign aid to help Central America.

I don't when America went down the path it did, but we're not voting our way out of this.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 02:32 PM (UfkIY)

202
Who are you rubes to judge the sexual proclivities of an artistic genius

Posted by: Hollywood at December 18, 2018 02:32 PM (TAmPV)

203 You know what is the best thing about groping twenty eight year olds? There's twenty of them!

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 18, 2018 02:32 PM (AZP2g)

204 203


Who are you rubes to judge the sexual proclivities of an artistic genius

Posted by: Hollywood at December 18, 2018 02:32 PM (TAmPV)
The people who won't go to your movies sweetie.

Posted by: Rubes at December 18, 2018 02:33 PM (37IEG)

205 Did she trade sex for advancement in her acting career?

Posted by: davidt at December 18, 2018 02:34 PM (jGvbj)

206 Another check out line, good thing it has both the Enquirer and the Globe.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 18, 2018 02:34 PM (otLn5)

207 Early night for trump.

Posted by: Max Power at December 18, 2018 02:34 PM (llxrS)

208 You know what is the best thing about groping twenty eight year olds? There's twenty of them!
Posted by: Joe Biden at December 18, 2018 02:32 PM (AZP2g)

------

*cough cough* splat


Dammit.... you made me spit my gum out.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:34 PM (8XRCm)

209 202
White House folds on shutdown, Trump Foundation dissolved, Flynn gets verbal slapdown...Best Infrastructure week yet!!

Posted by: Steven Hays at December 18, 2018 02:32 PM (2mySX)
Isn't it standard to say Trump is playing 4d chess and he'll come out just before the shut down and say "Shut down till I get my wall money"

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 02:34 PM (37IEG)

210

13? Hell, she looked 15 to me...

Posted by: Guys Named Woody at December 18, 2018 02:34 PM (rr4fE)

211 I don`t guess it`s as bad as Bill Kristol circling the elementary play ground giving away free 'snow-cones' from his panel van.

Posted by: Tentotwo at December 18, 2018 02:34 PM (yhf6w)

212 The note clearly says Gub.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 02:35 PM (bwqT/)

213 One of the most cringe-worthy is Styx's "Jennifer."

Jennifer
She drinks her sherry wine
She keeps her lady's love for me all the time
She's seventeen, barely old enough to cry
A child in her father's eyes
A woman every night

YUCK. No. Just, no.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 18, 2018 02:35 PM (t2P6q)

214 You do know you are addressing a troll?

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 02:35 PM (BXMxN)

215 The thing I keep failing to recognize is that our betters are better than us. The camps will fix that in me, I hope.

Posted by: t-bird at December 18, 2018 02:36 PM (98WNR)

216 What about the Clintons' corrupt foundation? I guess some people are above the law.

Posted by: Chris M at December 18, 2018 02:36 PM (eAZVt)

217 That cunt is going to be doing donuts in every thread.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 02:36 PM (BXMxN)

218 212
I don`t guess it`s as bad as Bill Kristol circling the elementary play ground giving away free 'snow-cones' from his panel van.

Posted by: Tentotwo at December 18, 2018 02:34 PM (yhf6w)
No, dressed like a pirate, hanging around the kiddie pool at Wet and Wild asking the 8 year olds if they want to have a pirate adventure.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 02:36 PM (37IEG)

219 The guy who murdered my father in law had prior criminal convictions for having sex with a 13-year-old girl repeatedly. At the time of F-I-L's death the guy was living under an assumed name, having absconded on his parole and relocated near my F-I-L.

Makes one wonder if he was just a sick manipulative fvck with a loose screw and the victim in both cases was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or does being forced by the system to subjugate a crass perverted desire result in a more violent end result?

Either way, the guy deserves to roast.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 18, 2018 02:37 PM (lLoBm)

220 A 13-year-old dating a 45-year-old man? Much, much more problematic.

Posted by: joncelli

----


Hey! Back off there cityboy!!

Posted by: Eastern Kentucky at December 18, 2018 02:23 PM (+IAze)




It's fine if it's a cousin.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 02:37 PM (bwqT/)

221
So, if the judge is trying to send a message to Flynn and his lawyers he is doing a pretty shitty job of it as no one knows what the hell he is trying to say...

Posted by: DXO at December 18, 2018 02:27 PM (nzKWW)


It seems crystal clear to me. Judge told Flynn he isn't going to let him play it safe and expect the judge to bail his ass out

Posted by: Hollywood at December 18, 2018 02:37 PM (TAmPV)

222

I prefer our cabin boys in the 13ish range.

More pliable. Er, trainable. Er, groomable. Er, willing. Er, whatever...

Posted by: Cock Curious Cuck Cruise Captain Crystol at December 18, 2018 02:37 PM (rr4fE)

223 218 That cunt is going to be doing donuts in every thread.
Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 02:36 PM (BXMxN)

Oh fuck you.

Posted by: Ariana Grande at December 18, 2018 02:37 PM (NWiLs)

224
Well yeah, about that Drudge headline, no surprise. The wall was never going to get built. Way too many political and otherwise interests arrayed against it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 02:38 PM (r+sAi)

225 See?

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 02:38 PM (BXMxN)

226
Posted by: Steven Hays at December 18, 2018 02:38 PM (2mySX)

-----

Dude. Go back to work.




Oh.



Wait.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:39 PM (8XRCm)

227 WWG1WGA, absolutely! Trust the plan!! Stay the course!! It's all nth-dimensional Star Trek chess!

Posted by: Steven Hays at December 18, 2018 02:38 PM (2mySX)
But if my version happens....exploding heads.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 02:39 PM (37IEG)

228 *quivers*

Posted by: Mjölnir at December 18, 2018 02:39 PM (bwqT/)

229 221 A 13-year-old dating a 45-year-old man? Much, much more problematic.

Posted by: joncelli

----


Hey! Back off there cityboy!!

Posted by: Eastern Kentucky at December 18, 2018 02:23 PM (+IAze)


It's fine if it's a cousin.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018

*
*
If you think family weddings are a good dating opportunity, you just might be a . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 18, 2018 02:39 PM (PFlOK)

230 Judge told Flynn he isn't going to let him play it safe and expect the judge to bail his ass out

Good cop-bad cop, they're both in on this one.

Posted by: t-bird at December 18, 2018 02:40 PM (Z1eux)

231 If you think family weddings are a good dating opportunity, you just might be a . .


Funerals are great for meeting available women.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 02:40 PM (bwqT/)

232 Sorry Grandma

Posted by: Muldoon at December 18, 2018 02:41 PM (lLoBm)

233 She's 16, she's beautiful, and she's mine!

Posted by: not zombie Ringo, I'm still here! at December 18, 2018 02:41 PM (UsCnO)

234
NO TROLLING FOR CHICKS AT THE FAMILY REUNION!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:41 PM (8XRCm)

235 Well yeah, about that Drudge headline, no surprise. The wall was never going to get built. Way too many political and otherwise interests arrayed against it.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 02:38 PM (r+sAi)


Are we believing the media now?

The headline links to a story that the WH has "signalled" they "might" be willing to drop it.

But that isn't what Drudge's headline says. And I heard SHS say that they can get there without additional funding, if they have some rule changes in the legislation that the Dems had already voted for in committee

Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 02:41 PM (ZfRYq)

236 Any Russian ties here? Who did she vote for? We'll get to the bottom of this!

Posted by: Mueller and Co. at December 18, 2018 02:41 PM (Fvjvp)

237 We need a way to vote people off the island.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 02:42 PM (bwqT/)

238 Cuz, Steve, until the paper is signed, the paper isn't signed.

Your chickens, they are not hatched yet.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 02:42 PM (37IEG)

239 112
the comment that didn't age well .....from an earlier thread.....
76

I love it when Ace goes on a rant - especially when engaged in diverting

from Michael Flynn prostrating himself before a federal court judge and

confessing to being a total stooge sell-out nitwit borderline traitor.



Posted by: Space Ace at December 18, 2018 12:18 PM (x+yK4)



Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 18, 2018 02:12 PM (0O7c5)


I know right.
I think space ace is actually Jiminy Acoster.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 02:42 PM (ymnmz)

240 You do know you are addressing a troll?


HELLLOOOOOOO, TROLL!!!

Posted by: Ed Norton at December 18, 2018 02:42 PM (oVJmc)

241
She was only 16...... Dr Hook.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:43 PM (8XRCm)

242 Judge told Flynn he isn't going to let him play it safe and expect the judge to bail his ass out



Good cop-bad cop, they're both in on this one.


Posted by: t-bird at December 18, 2018 02:40 PM

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Not too sure about that because the Judge gave flynn the opportunity to withdraw his guilty plea this morning. flynn let his plea stand.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 18, 2018 02:43 PM (JUOKG)

243 236


NO TROLLING FOR CHICKS AT THE FAMILY REUNION!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:41 PM (8XRCm)
Troll chicks?

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 02:43 PM (37IEG)

244 So everything is still nice and insane I see.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 18, 2018 02:43 PM (ycWCI)

245 Penny was married to Meathead for a while.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 18, 2018 02:43 PM (aKsyK)

246 The guy who murdered my father in law had prior
criminal convictions for having sex with a 13-year-old girl repeatedly.
At the time of F-I-L's death the guy was living under an assumed name,
having absconded on his parole and relocated near my F-I-L.

Makes one wonder if he was just a sick manipulative fvck with a
loose screw and the victim in both cases was just in the wrong place at
the wrong time. Or does being forced by the system to subjugate a crass
perverted desire result in a more violent end result?

Either way, the guy deserves to roast.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 18, 2018 02:37 PM (lLoBm)


Horrible. And yes, the guy deserves to roast.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 02:44 PM (ptqGC)

247 OT - Seven companies drop advertising on Tucker Carlson's show. Virtue signal uber alles. Get woke go broke doesn't matter to these people.

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 02:44 PM (7HtZB)

248 If Flynn pulled his guilty plea, he would have to go to court with the other stuff. Years and years, millions of dollars, and no guarantee of success. Innocence isn't a great defense in Federal court.

Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 02:44 PM (ZfRYq)

249 I'll believe Trump is surrendering on the wall when I hear it from Trump himself.

Posted by: davidt at December 18, 2018 02:44 PM (jGvbj)

250 >>>Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 18, 2018 02:30 PM (fqUgw)

Ugh. Thanks for the info, I think. What a creep. Brilliant, but a creep.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 02:44 PM (/qEW2)

251 @ Posted by: blaster <<<<
No, not believing the media. I just never believed the wall would be built.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 02:44 PM (r+sAi)

252 Penny was married to Meathead for a while.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 18, 2018 02:43 PM (aKsyK)

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Meathead was also hubby #2

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:44 PM (8XRCm)

253 Even with funding.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 02:44 PM (r+sAi)

254 In all fairness, her parents told him to have her home by 12.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 18, 2018 02:44 PM (lLoBm)

255
Not too sure about that because the Judge gave flynn the opportunity to withdraw his guilty plea this morning. flynn let his plea stand.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 18, 2018 02:43 PM (JUOKG)


I think that's what pissed the judge off.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 02:45 PM (TAmPV)

256 Yes, well, girls in their late teens / early 20's are usually at peak attractiveness and are willing to please. Some guys are in to that power dynamic difference.
_______________

Allen does have a type, and it's insecure females who are basically willing to let him treat them badly. If you read Mia Farrow's book, Allen enjoyed mocking and belittling her (and she let him), and he even made a movie (Hannah and Her Sisters) when he was dating Farrow, in which he disparaged her and her family. He seemed to get off on humiliating her, which is probably one of the reasons why he took up with her teen daughter Soon Yi, who was not exactly good looking.

In some ways, Soon Yi may have been the perfect wife for Allen, because she has cognitive and emotional deficits from the abuse she suffered as a child on the streets of Korea. The psychiatric testing she had when she lived with Farrow showed that she has difficulty understanding the nuances of communication. So Allen can treat her as shabbily as he wishes, and she doesn't even know that she's being mocked and disrespected.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 18, 2018 02:45 PM (fqUgw)

257 "Woody" Allen. There's your clue.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 02:45 PM (ptqGC)

258 But that isn't what Drudge's headline says. And I heard SHS say that they can get there without additional funding, if they have some rule changes in the legislation that the Dems had already voted for in committee
Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 02:41 PM (ZfRYq)

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Reality is that the Wall has been quietly going up for months now.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 02:45 PM (ffYR/)

259 214 One of the most cringe-worthy is Styx's "Jennifer."

Jennifer
She drinks her sherry wine
She keeps her lady's love for me all the time
She's seventeen, barely old enough to cry
A child in her father's eyes
A woman every night

YUCK. No. Just, no.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 18, 2018 02:35 PM (t2P6q)

Didn't Oingo Boingo write like THREE different songs referencing sexing up underage girls?

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 02:45 PM (UnA8+)

260 245
Judge told Flynn he isn't going to let him play it safe and expect the judge to bail his ass out





Good cop-bad cop, they're both in on this one.


Posted by: t-bird at December 18, 2018 02:40 PM

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Not
too sure about that because the Judge gave flynn the opportunity to
withdraw his guilty plea this morning. flynn let his plea stand.


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 18, 2018 02:43 PM (JUOKG)

The Judge knows this is going to be appealed to a higher court, and he is covering his bases. He isn't playing to anyone else, and he realizes it.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 02:46 PM (UsCnO)

261

I banged a troll chick once. Firewire ginger. But damn, that hair was EVERYWHERE. Seriously, she did her carpet in dreads...

Posted by: M K Ultra at December 18, 2018 02:46 PM (rr4fE)

262 NO TROLLING FOR CHICKS AT THE FAMILY REUNION!!!

Posted by: fixerupper


Family reunions, weddings & funerals.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 02:46 PM (xzezz)

263 Every band in the 70's had at least one song about sexing 16 year olds.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 02:47 PM (BXMxN)

264 The Judge knows this is going to be appealed to a higher court,

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Ummmmmm. How do you appeal a plea deal.????

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:47 PM (8XRCm)

265 Francine just turned 13...

Posted by: ZZ Top at December 18, 2018 02:47 PM (jGvbj)

266 "Into the Night" by Benny Mardones. UGH.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 02:47 PM (ptqGC)

267 Didn't Oingo Boingo write like THREE different songs referencing sexing up underage girls?
Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 02:45 PM (UnA8+)



IIRC, Danny Elfman said his "I Love Little Girls" was intended as a mockery of what he saw in the entertainment business.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 02:47 PM (ujg0T)

268 I don't remember the exact line, but in Love and Death, a Russian Orthodox priest tells the Woody Allen character that the best thing in life is blonde twin girls. I forgot the recommended age, but it was young.

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at December 18, 2018 02:47 PM (jjqhR)

269 The age of consent in some states in Mexico is 12. You can almost feel the cultural enrichment.

Posted by: brak at December 18, 2018 02:48 PM (VckGX)

270
If Flynn pulled his guilty plea, he would have to go to court with the other stuff. Years and years, millions of dollars, and no guarantee of success. Innocence isn't a great defense in Federal court.


Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 02:44 PM (ZfRYq)


Not necessarily.The DoJ could drop the whole mess.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 02:48 PM (TAmPV)

271 BSG's back, stroking his micropenis.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 18, 2018 02:48 PM (oVJmc)

272 267 Every band in the 70's had at least one song about sexing 16 year olds.
Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 02:47 PM (BXMxN)

Peter, Paul and Mary?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 18, 2018 02:48 PM (ycWCI)

273 Manhattan was gorgeous. Maybe the best filmed movie ever. That was Gordon Willis, who also shot the Godfathers.

Mariel Hemingway was...well she was something that did things to my places. The movie was my first date with a girl who turned out to be something thirty years later.

But it's really hard to watch in hindsight, now that we know what Woody is.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 18, 2018 02:49 PM (fuK7c)

274 275
Not necessarily.The DoJ could drop the whole mess.
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 02:48 PM (TAmPV)

But why WOULD they, when there are still Obamunist swamp donkeys infesting the place?

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 02:49 PM (UnA8+)

275 Hard to believe that Allen could be a leftard. In his movies like Bananas or Sleeper, you can see he's cynical and smart enough to realize that all political leaders, including leftist ones, are scum. "In 5 years we'll be looking for Erno's nose", etc.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 18, 2018 02:49 PM (/qEW2)

276

MUNCIE, Ind. (WTHR) - A foster parent in Muncie is facing serious charges after allegedly molesting two of the six children in his care.

Jaython Patterson was arrested over the weekend.

According to court documents, Patterson claims he was trying to teach the 7- and 8-year-old boys how to masturbate properly while he was also pleasuring himself.

He's also accused of showing the boys a pornographic video of him and his husband.

Patterson has been charged with child molestation and vicarious sexual gratification.

DCS has since removed all six children from their home.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 18, 2018 02:49 PM (aKsyK)

277 Can't comprehend the parents. If one of my teenaged daughters got in a relationship with an older guy, even if she initiated it I'd still come after him with a tire iron.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at December 18, 2018 02:50 PM (p4Tjn)

278 Didn't Oingo Boingo write like THREE different songs referencing sexing up underage girls?
Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 02:45 PM (UnA8+)


So? What's your point?

Posted by: Winger at December 18, 2018 02:50 PM (F4u7C)

279 re: woody allen:

one is reminded of the line from the ancient priest in "love and death" - "i've lived many years and after many trials and tribulations i've come to the conclusion that the best thing is... blonde 12 year old girls, 2 of them whenever possible."

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 18, 2018 02:50 PM (Pg+x7)

280

Hey Banana Splits Guy, how's Allahpundit's ass taste? Is Jarles Chonson's splooge green?

Posted by: M K Ultra at December 18, 2018 02:50 PM (rr4fE)

281 250 OT - Seven companies drop advertising on Tucker Carlson's show. Virtue signal uber alles. Get woke go broke doesn't matter to these people.

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 02:44 PM (7HtZB)

Hmmm.. seems.... coordinated.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 02:50 PM (NgKpN)

282 Woody Allen always creeped me out. I never understood how he got the hot chicks, but that was when I was naive about Hollywood.

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 02:52 PM (DJFLF)

283 nood

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:52 PM (GBteo)

284
MUNCIE, Ind. (WTHR) - A foster parent in Muncie is facing serious charges after allegedly molesting two of the six children in his care.

Jaython Patterson was arrested over the weekend.


He seriously looks like Elizabeth Warren.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 18, 2018 02:52 PM (oVJmc)

285 Seven companies drop advertising on Tucker Carlson's show

Which? The Shit List needs updated.

Posted by: M K Ultra at December 18, 2018 02:52 PM (rr4fE)

286 ... fatty arbunckle, charlie chaplin, woody allen a lot of comedians seem to have a thing for young girls. is it their own immaturity? naw, too easy.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 18, 2018 02:52 PM (Pg+x7)

287 266 "Into the Night" by Benny Mardones. UGH.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 02:47 PM (ptqGC)

But the video is so cringeworthy it's hilarious.

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 02:53 PM (7HtZB)

288 Danny Elfman said his "I Love Little Girls" was intended as a mockery of what he saw in the entertainment business.

Would not surprise me if it's rampant.

Posted by: t-bird at December 18, 2018 02:54 PM (Z1eux)

289 He's also accused of showing the boys a pornographic video of him and his husband.

Patterson has been charged with child molestation and vicarious sexual gratification.

DCS has since removed all six children from their home.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 18, 2018 02:49 PM (aKsyK)


DCS is HOMOPHOBIC!!!!!

Posted by: Winger at December 18, 2018 02:54 PM (F4u7C)

290
But why WOULD they, when there are still Obamunist swamp donkeys infesting the place?

Posted by: Hikaru at December 18, 2018 02:49 PM (UnA8+)


Because the Clinton Foundation was also acting as a unregisterd foreign agent when the Bollard Queen was Barky's SoS. If they prosecute Flynn it'll be hard to let Clinton and Obama off the hook

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 02:54 PM (TAmPV)

291 206 Did she trade sex for advancement in her acting career?
________________

No, it was a hero worship thing. Allen would not discuss work when he was with her (that was one of his rules), and the only thing she ever asked him for, according to her, was help getting a SAG card, which he refused, telling her "you'll have to get that on your own."

He basically just used the girl for sex (always at his apartment, with the drapes drawn). She went along, because she was young and foolish and thought he was brilliant and witty and cool.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 18, 2018 02:56 PM (fqUgw)

292 Because the Clinton Foundation was also acting as a unregisterd foreign agent when the Bollard Queen was Barky's SoS. If they prosecute Flynn it'll be hard to let Clinton and Obama off the hook
Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 02:54 PM (TAmPV)



That has never stopped them before. After all, the rules do not apply to the Demunists. 9th Circuit confirms it!

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 18, 2018 02:56 PM (ujg0T)

293 The biggest part of this story is this woman says she at some point was a personal assistant to JEFFREY EPSTEIN.

Posted by: Options at December 18, 2018 02:57 PM (pAtdo)

294 According to court documents, Patterson claims he was trying to teach the 7- and 8-year-old boys how to masturbate properly while he was also pleasuring himself.

He's also accused of showing the boys a pornographic video of him and his husband.

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Explains how 11 year old boys become drag queens.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 02:57 PM (XGA3u)

295 Open and thoughtful, Engelhardt unspools a life story that took root in a strict German immigrant household and blossomed into a Zelig-esque series of adventures as she attempted to break into modeling: partying with Iman, jet-setting with Adnan Khashoggi, dining with Stephen King, working as a personal assistant to Jeffrey Epstein, the billionaire financier later convicted for soliciting an underage girl. Following her time with Allen, she went on to become a platonic muse to Federico Fellini during the auteur's late-life journeys in Rome and Tulum, Mexico, then spent years tending to egos as a hostess in the executive dining room at Paramount before landing her current gig, working as an assistant for producer Bob Evans. What's made her attractive to these powerful men, both personally and professionally, she posits, is in part what Allen appreciated in the first place: "I was pretty enough, I was smart enough, I was nonconfrontational, I was non-judgmental, I was discreet, and nothing shocks me."

Posted by: Options at December 18, 2018 03:00 PM (pAtdo)

296 NO TROLLING FOR CHICKS AT THE FAMILY REUNION!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 02:41 PM (8XRCm)

what if ones adopted?

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 03:01 PM (8D42x)

297 Thank heaven, for little girls....

I feel like a stud next to them.

Posted by: I've got a Woody at December 18, 2018 03:06 PM (vDqXW)

298 277 267 Every band in the 70's had at least one song about sexing 16 year olds.
Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 02:47 PM (BXMxN)

Lynyrd Skynyrd

"What's your name, little girl?"

Posted by: West at December 18, 2018 03:08 PM (7Fa8Y)

299
According to court documents, Patterson claims he was trying to teach
the 7- and 8-year-old boys how to masturbate properly while he was also
pleasuring himself.



He's also accused of showing the boys a pornographic video of him and his husband.



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Explains how 11 year old boys become drag queens.


Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 02:57 PM


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I was going to post something but I changed my mind. I don't want to get banned.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 18, 2018 03:08 PM (JUOKG)

300 I have a 30 year old friend dating a 21 year old girl. It's very trying on my patience to spend too much time around her.



Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:23 PM


^^^This. I have two 22-yr-old assistants outside my door. Very attractive, very bright, very pleasant. But after hearing them talk for any length of time, I want to jam ice picks in my ears. They've been instructed repeatedly to get off my lawn.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 18, 2018 03:09 PM (p+Wdc)

301 I have a 30 year old friend dating a 21 year old girl. It's very trying on my patience to spend too much time around her.





Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 18, 2018 02:23 PM

^^^This.
I have two 22-yr-old assistants outside my door. Very attractive, very
bright, very pleasant. But after hearing them talk for any length of
time, I want to jam ice picks in my ears. They've been instructed
repeatedly to get off my lawn.





Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 18, 2018 03:09 PM


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Had a 30 something buddy in the Navy who was dating an 18 year old girl. She had a fantastic body and an a$$ that would make you weep, but she was an 18 year old GIRL. It was painful to engage her in conversation.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 18, 2018 03:11 PM (JUOKG)

302 "...working as a personal assistant to Jeffrey Epstein, the billionaire financier later convicted for soliciting an underage girl."

AN underage girl.

Talk about glossing over who and what Epstein is. The guy is a child molester who walks free. 12 years olds were gifted to pervs on Pedo-Island.

But the Hollywood Reporter doesn't want to mention the obvious connection of Hollywood Pedo-ville.

Epstein and Allen were buddies. Did dinner parties together.


Posted by: Options at December 18, 2018 03:13 PM (pAtdo)

303 "woody" . Heh. You like that nickname???

Posted by: Allen Stewart Konigsberg at December 18, 2018 03:19 PM (9HuGt)

304 Julie Kelly says they were "fooling around"

Posted by: bjstuggggggz at December 18, 2018 03:31 PM (HJ81/)

305 He was telling us who he was his whole life. Everyone just thought he was funny.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 18, 2018 04:47 PM (ju9gW)

306 I notice that nobody on this thread remembers that Allen molested his own little daughter, Dylan Farrow.

We cannot ask what he did to Lark Previn or Tam Farrow, because they are dead.

Posted by: Suburbanbanshee at December 18, 2018 05:47 PM (sF8WE)

Clinton-Appointed Judge in Flynn Sentencing Hearing Accuses Him of Treason, Suggests He'll Sentence Him Beyond What the Plea Deal Calls for

#TheResistance has a new hero.

The Clinton-appointed judge, Emmett Sullivan, claimed that Flynn's suggestion that the FBI misled him (which it, you know, did) cast doubt on Flynn's acceptance of culpability. The not-so-veiled threat from the judge is that if Flynn wouldn't repudiate his previous complaints about the FBI, he'd toss out the plea deal and sentence Flynn more harshly than the plea called for.

He also badgered both Flynn and the prosecutor about whether Flynn had committed "treason."

Though then, after he returned from a break, this Clinton appointee said he wanted to "clarify" that his own previous claim that Flynn was working in the White House when his contacts with foreigners occurred. I guess he bothered to read the actual facts and corrected himself -- well, "clarified" -- that Flynn wasn't in the White House and that he was now not "suggesting" treason.

Which is actually exactly what he did before.

Basically the judge seems to be threatening Flynn with jail time unless he offers more to the Mueller investigation. Flynn has gotten that message, and now says he wants to delay sentencing because he might cooperate more with Mueller.

The court has delayed sentencing to permit this. So, no sentencing today. After threatening Flynn for an hour, Flynn got the message and said he would cooperate more.











Posted by: Ace of Spades at 12:58 PM




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1 when the shift happens and people on the right do the math and realize it is worth it to let the crime fit the punishment, those will be interesting times

Posted by: bored383 at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (zJ4nO)

2 Stasiland.

Posted by: MW at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (hNTtn)

3 Top 5? YAY!

Posted by: Charlotte the sailor at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (lGLBx)

4 Slow down. It ain't over.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (cCsPW)

5 top 5

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (8D42x)

6 Done for the day!

Posted by: Ann at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (NDO5Q)

7 I don't know what the fuck is going in and will withhold comment.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (BXMxN)

8 So it continues to look like a hot mess

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (U7k5w)

9 Not G Gordon Liddy.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (d6PIl)

10 Burn it all down, scatter the stones, and salt the ground.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (trpsZ)

11 I have no idea what's going on with Sullivan. Maybe he's just making it clear that this trial is increasingly a farce and that he refuses to play along with it. I can't imagine why a Mueller fan would expend this much energy on calling attention to the 302s.

It's an odd trial, but when half the evidence is under seal, it's really impossible to know what the deal is.

Posted by: trev006 at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (yBq7A)

12 I really hate these people. They are willing to do whatever it takes to make sure that someone like Trump is never elected again so they can continue to make this country into a banana republic while all of them are exempted from the odious laws they pass for the hoi polloi.

May they rot in hell for an eternity.

They are scum to the max and the willing media is so stupid they don't realize that when the government these people want is implemented, the media will be the first to be dragged to the slaughter.

Posted by: Charlotte the sailor at December 18, 2018 01:00 PM (lGLBx)

13 I believe I have succumb to a case of whiplash.

Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:00 PM (fE+0o)

14 This is fucking ridiculous.

Prepare for what comes next and the burning times.

Posted by: John C Calhoun at December 18, 2018 01:01 PM (1skAe)

15 fuk this sullivan

Posted by: Big Al fredo at December 18, 2018 01:01 PM (iWo0u)

16 In defense of this judge, he was practically begging Flynn to withdraw the plea, and I think based on that he might have even thrown the whole thing out. Flynn is either hiding something else or was just laying down like a tired, wounded dog until the judge insinuated he would do hard time if he didn't at least agree to delay sentencing.

What I don't understand, and would fault the judge on (unless his hands are tied) is ... why does he have to play along with this fucking charade? Why not vacate the plea irrespective of whether Flynn agrees to or not given that he all but stated he knew there was serious proprietorial misconduct? Throw the damn plea and indictment out, with prejudice, hold the prosecution in contempt, and let them know that if they go after Flynn again further contempt charges will follow.

Our "justice" system is a fucking disgrace.

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:01 PM (GdJ+p)

17 I do appreciate the acknowledgement that we are truly not a nation of laws but vindictiveness and raw power play, and no matter if one has served well the country one may still be a victim of the political class.

Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:02 PM (fE+0o)

18 >>>I can't imagine why a Mueller fan would expend this much energy on calling attention to the 302s.

Because he was looking for MOAR EVIDENCE against Flynn.

And because he wanted to bring up this idea that if Flynn complains about FBI tactics, then he's not really accepting responsibility, and can be thrown in jail.

he wants to throw him in jail and is looking for any reason to do so.

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:02 PM (PbpT7)

19 huh? what on earth is going on w/ our judiciary?

Posted by: IC at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (a0IVu)

20 A really big shoe.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (aKsyK)

21 Why would anyone serve this nation ever again?

Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)

22 Mueller's sentencing memo reads like Flynn is just short of the Rosenbergs. Flynn's sentencing memo says he was more or less entrapped. Irreconcilable. Good on the judge for not allowing himself to be implicated in this horseshoe. Win for Flynn. Mueller might quietly drop the charge.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (cCsPW)

23 Sorry to say, I can't keep track of who anyone even is anymore in this "investigation." A blur of names, a maelstrom of shifting allegiances.

It's like trying to makes sense of the Guelphs and Ghibellines battling it out in 12-century Italy. By the second paragraph, your head is spinning.

Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (c+2jX)

24 If you are accepting the plea deal you cannot proclaim your innocence to the court at the same time. If you do you are rejecting the plea deal and the greater sentence can be imposed.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (hLRSq)

25
Sara A. Carter @SaraCarterDC
#MikeFlynn sentencing postponed indefinitely with an update on March 13, 2019. Judge Sullivan has more questions about Special Counsel's and FBI conduct

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (BqBId)

26 A retired three-star general committing treason.

Yeah, right.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (XGA3u)

27 Judges are apolitical and always have been!

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (tp5vm)

28 How can evidence be withheld if one is defending his life?

srsly this is going to be an excuse?

Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (fE+0o)

29 So Justice is now totally dependent on whether you cooperate with the FBI or not.

This is now... what... FOUR cases where this has been the major determiner of sentence, not that actual 'crime' committed?

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (NgKpN)

30 "Justice." Okay then. So be it.

Posted by: Abiss at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (Y8DtA)

31 Full. Pardon. Now.
"Impeachment"-palooza is coming regardless. Let's have it out now.

Posted by: DocJ at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (NYS7S)

32 So.... judge is saying "I will treat you far worse than that asshole over there will, but you have to come clean on your own accord."

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (8XRCm)

33 SCO needed some Russian angle in the press, so Flynn's unregistered agent work helped them out here. He's basically glad to plead to the minor lying Russia! Russia! offense to get out from under the other one.

Posted by: Boswell at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (OjnQU)

34 7 I don't know what the fuck is going in and will withhold comment.
Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (BXMxN)

Grade A shitshow.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (NWiLs)

35 I have a completely different reading than Ace.

I think the treason comment was aimed squarely at the prosecution. And by retracting it, as Jackal claimed, he got the prosecution to back off too. So if it wasn't treason, was it really that bad.

Sullivan gave Flynn every opportunity to retract his plea. And he still has time. Flynn has agency.

But if Flynn stays the course, Sullivan will throw the book at him. How cooperative he will be following that will remain to be seen. That could be a wild card Mueuller wants to avoid.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (sX1BW)

36 21 Why would anyone serve this nation ever again?
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)

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Some of us are ashamed that we did.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (XGA3u)

37 Ahhhh. The sweet smell of justice!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (+y/Ru)

38 navybrat that is what I told my last child, " to what purpose?!" and "for whom?"

Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (fE+0o)

39
I thought I just heard that the Judge clarified his statement and that he didn't mean to make Flynn sound as bad as he did.

What the fuck is this? And he delayed the sentencing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (/9p9e)

40

"TLDR: Flynn decided to delay sentencing so Sullivan can consider his continued cooperation with the government."

Does he mean Mueller's Shadow Government??

Posted by: Walt Disney and Walt Whitman at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (kyzbF)

41 The Obama stench is still hanging around.

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (RuIsu)

42 Emmit, you might want to clarify your position. We didn't want you to go quite that far so, go ahead after this break and, uh, soften it up a bit.


Posted by: Deep State controller at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (37IEG)

43 I don't know what the fuck is going in and will withhold comment.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (BXMxN)

you're new here aren't you?...

/s

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (8D42x)

44 >>I think the treason comment was aimed squarely at the prosecution. And by retracting it, as Jackal claimed, he got the prosecution to back off too. So if it wasn't treason, was it really that bad.

>>Sullivan gave Flynn every opportunity to retract his plea. And he still has time. Flynn has agency.

>>But if Flynn stays the course, Sullivan will throw the book at him. How cooperative he will be following that will remain to be seen. That could be a wild card Mueuller wants to avoid.

I agree with you.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (/tuJf)

45 So. Who called the judge during the break and made him back off from the treason stuff?

Posted by: G. Gnome, GNOMCO Home Defense System and Turkey Fryer Salesman at December 18, 2018 01:07 PM (al6UK)

46 Grade A shitshow.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (NWiLs)


Correct. I really think waiting a bit will be best. The listed tweets aren't exactly full of information.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:07 PM (hLRSq)

47 >>So. Who called the judge during the break and made him back off from the treason stuff?

He met with the Special Prosecutors team during the break, not Flynn's team.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (/tuJf)

48
TLDR: Flynn decided to delay sentencing so Sullivan can consider his continued cooperation with the government.

Is this bullshit or is this the fake news spin??

Flynn is supposedly cooperating with Mueller, not the Government. Mueller is the Shadow Government.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (kyzbF)

49 guys...

"Arguably, you sold your country out," Sullivan said. "The court's going to consider all that. I cannot assure you that if you proceed today you will not receive a sentence of incarceration."

He went on:

"I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense."

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (PbpT7)

50 Willowed:

Trump has been saying for the last couple days he is going to court to get an opinion he can if it is a national security issue.

Caravan was pretty helpful in showing that.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (/tuJf)

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I don't believe that would work - it would require a judge to side with Trump on a major issue where the government has a very interested iron in the fire, and that's an extremely, extremely unlikely outcome.

Can it be done by EO when the CR expires?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (AzW6q)

51 Because he was looking for MOAR EVIDENCE against Flynn.

And because he wanted to bring up this idea that if Flynn complains about FBI tactics, then he's not really accepting responsibility, and can be thrown in jail.

he wants to throw him in jail and is looking for any reason to do so.
Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:02 PM (PbpT7)

But that's the thing. Why does a judge need to get -more- evidence than the prosecution freely offers? Particularly if the prosecution has a plea deal and is recommending a light sentence?

You can call it a good cop/ bad judge, but if that was true Sullivan wouldn't be bringing up things that tend to damage the prosecution. It's at least as likely that Sullivan is fed up to the gills, and will punish Flynn for his role in this kabuki.

Posted by: trev006 at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (yBq7A)

52 That's kind of Orwellian, isn't it? Not only do you have to take a plea deal, but you have to BELIEVE it, essentially as part of the sentence?

Posted by: West at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (7Fa8Y)

53 Where are you getting this idea that the judge is on Flynn's side? He threatened Flynn with jailtime even though the plea called for none.

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (PbpT7)

54 Prediction...Mueller will drop charges. Flynn will "cooperate" even more, esp on this case against his former associates, and Mueller will drop charges.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (cCsPW)

55 Why would anyone serve this nation ever again?
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)
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Some of us are ashamed that we did.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (XGA3u)


We were just foot-soldiers. Hell, I never even rat-fucked the MREs.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (YHze/)

56 Isn't treason giving aid and comfort to an enemy? Turkey, for all the many faults of Erdogan, is still technically an ally of the United States.

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (7HtZB)

57 >>So. Who called the judge during the break and made him back off from the treason stuff?

He met with the Special Prosecutors team during the break, not Flynn's team.

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Judges told him there was not enough for treason. Sullivan will hold them to that now. So he backed off, because he didn't want that sting to linger.

Seems like the Judge is giving Flynn a chance to save himself here.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (sX1BW)

58 Slow down. It ain't over.

-
I don't think I've been this discouraged since Trump was elected.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (+y/Ru)

59 The judge gave every left winger a wet dream soundbite(that they are already trumpeting).Thanks.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (BXMxN)

60 21 Why would anyone serve this nation ever again?
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)

I hold my civil service oath to be null and void. United States of America in name only. This is an collaborationist occupation government of the New World Order.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (J+mig)

61 I have no idea what this means. But I'm still worried.

Posted by: Adorably Categorically Deplorable at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (6FY0P)

62 I'm sure there were death threats to his entire family tree.

This stinks to high heaven.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (F4u7C)

63 #35 above is right. Sullivan was itching to throw this whole thing out and then throw the book at the prosecution. Flynn and his attorneys fucked up his plan today. That's on him, not on the judge.

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (GdJ+p)

64 The judge is not doing favors for Flynn.

Please read what he said:

"Arguably, you sold your country out," Sullivan said. "The court's going to consider all that. I cannot assure you that if you proceed today you will not receive a sentence of incarceration."

He went on:

"I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense."

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (PbpT7)

65 >>"Arguably, you sold your country out," Sullivan said. "The court's going to consider all that. I cannot assure you that if you proceed today you will not receive a sentence of incarceration."

>>He went on:

>>"I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense."

And he walked all of it back after the break.

He also asked Flynn over and over if he wanted to pull his guilty plea and if he wanted to delay sentencing. It sounded like he was trying to goad him into it.

It is a very strange outcome for a simple plea bargain.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (/tuJf)

66 > "This is a very serious offense," Sullivan said. "A high ranking senior official of the government making false statements to the Federal Bureau of Investigation while on the physical premises of the White House."

I wonder if that same standard applies to high-ranking senior officials of the Department of Justice making false statements to the FISA Court?

Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (oNFAg)

67 Well, never thought I'd have a ring side seat the the final internment of the Rule of Law in this country.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (qC1Sy)

68

What's the Crime?

I thought Flynn was charged with a Process Crime?

Is this cocksucking judge "disgusted" by a bullshit contrived process crime??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (kyzbF)

69 Isn't it amazing the leverage you have when you've monitored everyone's email, text, phone conversations, video viewing habits, net search requests and digital media.

We think so.

Posted by: Deep State DataCenter at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (37IEG)

70 Where are you getting this idea that the judge is on Flynn's side? He threatened Flynn with jailtime even though the plea called for none.

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (PbpT7)

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That was a shot at Meuller.

"I can make your shitty plea deals worthless and NOBODY will take your shitty plea deals any longer."

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (8XRCm)

71 I think Sullivan is trying to tell Flynn that he will throw the book at him if he continues to plead guilty in order to undermine whatever bullshit plea deal Mueller offered him under the guise of no jail time.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (N5dam)

72 SMH, never be sorry, I for one am grateful, but until our govt becomes integral in itself, I will defend my childs right to say not for him/her.

same idea with I will send No One to prison unless a definitive violent crime. Because why should the masses pay for crime that our betters do as a matter of recourse?

Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (fE+0o)

73 If "acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign government" is treason then when does the Tony Podesta trial start?

Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (oNFAg)

74 I'm puzzled, isn't this the judge that demanded the FBI give him the original 302s, who was given new ones? So he figures that's okay now?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (39g3+)

75 We were just foot-soldiers. Hell, I never even rat-fucked the MREs.
Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (YHze/)

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lol

Doesn't mean I don't feel disgust at what this nation has become.

My friends died for this?

Sure as hell wasn't freedom.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (XGA3u)

76 "TLDR: Flynn decided to delay sentencing so Sullivan can consider his continued cooperation with the government."

Can't have Flynn come testify from prison on a felony lying charge - I suppose the defense will use that gladly. So, best to wait until after Flynn gives testimony, then sentence him on the lying offense. Maybe the Judge is playing along with the SCO on that...

Posted by: Boswell at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (OjnQU)

77 Prediction...Mueller will drop charges. Flynn will "cooperate" even more, esp on this case against his former associates, and Mueller will drop charges.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (cCsPW)

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I think this is what Flynn is looking for. Either this, or a directed not guilty verdict from Judge Sullivan, which does not seem likely at this point.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (ffYR/)

78 But we heard all weekend that this judge was all over Mueller for not producing the original FBI interview summary that said Flynn didn't lie and then they did produce it but then... SICK OF IT.

Posted by: WE NEVER WIN, EVEN WHEN WE WIN at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (uloIh)

79 So....what does Mueller have on the judge? This is an absolute disgrace.

Posted by: deplorably bonnie blue at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (D5b2h)

80 Man, I'd love to hear this guys opinion of 30,000 emails about wedding plans, yoga positions and recipes being deleted, or how you can clean your email servers with a soft cloth.'

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (37IEG)

81 they just wanted to get the word TREASON into the news stream


Posted by: the Man who Burps in French at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (9HuGt)

82 "Basically the judge seems to be threatening Flynn with jail time unless
he offers more to the Mueller investigation. Flynn has gotten that
message, and now says he wants to delay sentencing because he might
cooperate more with Mueller."
If there was anything else left for Flynn to give to Mueller then why would Mueller have asked for no jail sentence? It indicates that Mueller thought there was nothing left to apply pressure for.

Posted by: Mark1971 at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (xPl2J)

83 "Arguably" and "disdain for this criminal offense" did a lot of work for Sullivan today. Bob Mueller knows it too.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (cCsPW)

84 The Logan Act. That is the charge the prosecution told Sullivan that they could charge him with.

Sullivan then asked "Isn't that the law nobody has ever been charged with" as if he didn't know.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (/tuJf)

85 I used to work for a judge as a clerk and pleas were taken according to form. The defendant had to admit to each element of the crime under oath and the prosecution had to provide the facts for each element that the defendant was pleading guilty to.

If the judge is not certain what crime the defendant is pleading to that is on the prosecution for not making that perfectly clear in the presentencing report. If the defendant is pleading yet proclaiming innocence regarding one of the elements, then again everything gets stopped to be sorted out. Ultimately, if it turned into a Charlie Foxtrot it was the fault of the prosecution for not getting everything lined up before hand.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (hLRSq)

86 Trust Judge Sullivan
Trust Sessions (uh, I mean Whitaker)
Trust the Process (Fultz will come!)
Trust leftover shrimp from that party three days ago
There are more things going on behind the scenes to bring the Deep State to heel than all your philosophy can dream of!

Posted by: Q Anon at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (DuAZ5)

87 Jack, he didn't walk it ALL back. He only walked back his previous accusation of TREASON, because that had been based on incorrect premises.

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (PbpT7)

88 Flynn is protecting his son. Why everyone doesn't see this is beyond me

Posted by: REDACTED at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (L/iaS)

89 75 We were just foot-soldiers. Hell, I never even rat-fucked the MREs.
Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (YHze/)

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lol

Doesn't mean I don't feel disgust at what this nation has become.

My friends died for this?

Sure as hell wasn't freedom.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (XGA3u)

Yes, but 11 year old drag queens can perform at gay bars. That's freedom.

/s

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (7HtZB)

90 53 Where are you getting this idea that the judge is on Flynn's side? He threatened Flynn with jailtime even though the plea called for none. 

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:09 PM (PbpT7)

That's the thing. I don't think the judge is any more pleased with Flynn than with the prosecution. He sees a defense case that implies the government set Flynn up, but is pleading guilty in the face of exculpatory evidence. Then severely criticizes Flynn, only to walk it back after a meeting with the prosecutors.

Is it just opposite day around here? Forget Sullivan's political leanings, I'm wondering if he's as confused as I am.

Posted by: trev006 at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (yBq7A)

91 Eeeh...there is a lot of Q level reality twisting to make this look like a swipe at mueller.

Posted by: Phil x at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (PtVrf)

92 I admit it-- I am lost on this.

Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (XROPS)

93 "the media will be the first to be dragged to the slaughter. "

Won't happen. Because conservatives won't shoot first.

Frog slowly boiling on the stove. That's our fate.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (6S+Rb)

94 Well, never thought I'd have a ring side seat the the final internment of the Rule of Law in this country.
Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM (qC1Sy)

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That happened a while ago. The law courts are set up to protect the State and its interests, and they do. Bigly. It's all pretty predictable at this point. It's their field, their ball, their scoreboard, their refs, and their announcers.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (AzW6q)

95 I'm confused and disgusted.

Meanwhile, Comey, Stroyk, Hillary, Page, and every criminal in the Obama administration are free as birds with not a worry.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (ptqGC)

96 Why would anyone serve this nation ever again?
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (w7KSn)
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Some of us are ashamed that we did.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (XGA3u)

no, no NO

never be ashamed for your service. We didn't serve for the idiots in power at the current time, and we didn't serve for temporary glory.

We served the idea of America, to defend her basic freedoms and honest truths. Ours was to ensure this nation and the ideals that created her will endure. And she will live on in some form or another in perpetuity.

So never be ashamed of what we did or for our service.

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (8D42x)

97 What's the judge's opinion on Bowe Bergdahl?

Posted by: NCKate at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (dMTwl)

98
It is a very strange outcome for a simple plea bargain.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (/tuJf)


It's a very strange outcome for ANY trial. Kafka-esque, man. F*ckin Kafka-esque

Posted by: the Man who Burps in French at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (9HuGt)

99
That's one way to look at it:

Flynn was pleading guilty to all kinds of serious shit (to make Trump look bad ), but, in cooperation with the Mueller, the prosecution agreed to let him off easy.

In other words, just like Cohen, in which Cohen admitted guilt in all kinds of federal election violations (to make Trump look bad) but Mueller's prosecution team agreed to only go after Cohen on a few other things.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (kyzbF)

100 when do the presidential pardons start?

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (d7Ww2)

101 I sentence you to life in Twitter.

Posted by: wth at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (HgMAr)

102 Doesn't mean I don't feel disgust at what this nation has become.

My friends died for this?

Sure as hell wasn't freedom.
Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (XGA3u)

Hear you...

I sometimes feel like I was let down by my fellow citizens.

While I was off protecting them against foreign enemies, they allowed Domestic ones to screw this country up.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (NgKpN)

103 This is like fucking Rashomon Everyone on here getting totally different impressions of whats going on

Posted by: Max Power at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (llxrS)

104 And yet Hillary walks free as a bird. Not even charged with a damn thing.

Posted by: dingbat at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (Flqhs)

105 Not a lawyer here.


So the things going on in the Flynn case seems to be flying in the face of any level of fair due process for Flynn. Any lefty who really believed in due process would recognize this, but they are all Dbags.


Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with regard to treason, to the extent that Mueller had to reign him in, might indicate that this judge is a legit mental case and prolly should be taken off the case.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (ymnmz)

106 "This tired old woman we almost elected queen,
it was the end of the innocence."

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 01:17 PM (trpsZ)

107 We served the idea of America, to defend her basic freedoms and honest truths. Ours was to ensure this nation and the ideals that created her will endure. And she will live on in some form or another in perpetuity.

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Freedom? Honesty?

LOL

Right.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:17 PM (XGA3u)

108 never be ashamed for your service. We didn't serve
for the idiots in power at the current time, and we didn't serve for
temporary glory.



We served the idea of America, to defend her basic freedoms and
honest truths. Ours was to ensure this nation and the ideals that
created her will endure. And she will live on in some form or another in
perpetuity.



So never be ashamed of what we did or for our service.

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (8D42x)


THIS. However, this country doesn't deserve the sacrifices of its sons and daughters.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 01:17 PM (ptqGC)

109 Well - I love a good prediction and a good conspiracy as much as anybody and more than most. But I have no idea on this one.

I do know this. Sullivan, Flynn, the FBI, Mueller, Lawyers ? I ain't seeing any obvious good-guys here.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (axaxF)

110 Ace - Fox reported the judge recanted those remarks about treason when they came back from the recess.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (so+oy)

111 Did Sullivan get death threats from the Clinton Foundation over night after demanding Comey provide the original 302 notes?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (Evws/)

112 >>>He also asked Flynn over and over if he wanted to pull his guilty plea and if he wanted to delay sentencing. It sounded like he was trying to goad him into it.

He was. There is a reason that the judge forced disclosure of the doctored 302's last night, he was telegraphing his intentions for today. Flynn and his attorneys fucked it up.

He could be free of this charge while his persecutors could be in deep shit. And he rolled over and showed his belly like a submissive dog until finally agreeing to delay sentencing.

I'm far more disappointed in Flynn than the judge, who was clearly talking out of frustration with Flynn's willingness to be rolled.

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (GdJ+p)

113 62 I'm sure there were death threats to his entire family tree.

This stinks to high heaven.
Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 01:10 PM (F4u7C)

I agree. Either that, or somebody showed same special pics to the Judge that just might get on the Internet if he doesn't get on board.

Posted by: TXMarko at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (juL44)

114 Schlichters right. Buy guns and ammo.

This is maddening.

Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (ZfRYq)

115 oops.. Ace included the "clarification".. never mind

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (so+oy)

116 The reason this is so murky is that the press is spinning/lying about the story to make it look better for their political party.

Don't believe what the press states.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (DodRu)

117 So....what does Mueller have on the judge? This is an absolute disgrace.
Posted by: deplorably bonnie blue at December 18, 2018 01:13 PM (D5b2h)

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Probably nothing.

Most judges - the vast majority at the federal level in particular - are the hardest line statists you'll find. They back the state in virtually all things. They may rule against the state in small matters to preserve the veneer of impartiality, but when the chips are down, the high priests of the state will do their duty for their god.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (AzW6q)

118 So the things going on in the Flynn case seems to be flying in the face of any level of fair due process for Flynn. Any lefty who really believed in due process would recognize this, but they are all Dbags.


Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with regard to treason, to the extent that Mueller had to reign him in, might indicate that this judge is a legit mental case and prolly should be taken off the case.

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So now a judge asking a defendent over and over if he is sure he wants to plead guilty even though you maintain your innocence is a denial of due process?

Giving the defendent time to rethink this is a denial of due process?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (sX1BW)

119 Just have to wonder where our "global warming tax" line in the sand will finally materialize.

Going to be a shame if the French, the freaking French, are willing to get pissed and do something while we sit back and passively acquiesce to our own destruction.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (37IEG)

120 It doesn't matter what he said after the recess,that will be a footnote on page 87.He gave them the blaring headline that they already are using.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (BXMxN)

121 102 Doesn't mean I don't feel disgust at what this nation has become.

My friends died for this?

Sure as hell wasn't freedom.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:12 PM (XGA3u)

They sacrificed themselves for the cause of freedom.

Hope is not yet lost, but this is our darkest hour.

If we are able to hold back the tide, and preserve liberty with so much arrayed against us, future generations will call it our finest.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (J+mig)

122
"Arguably, you sold your country out," Sullivan
said. "The court's going to consider all that. I cannot assure you that
if you proceed today you will not receive a sentence of incarceration."



He went on:



"I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense."

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (PbpT7

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This is what's killing me. wtaf?


What part of our country got "sold out," and what did Flynn supposedly get in exchange?


What "disgust" and "disdain" are warranted for Flynn's conversations with Kislyak?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (oGNNA)

123

What difference, at this point, does it make?!/1!??!1?!1!??

~CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE-CACKLE,,~COUGH,,COUGH-COUGH-COUGH-COUGH,, cough, cough-cough~

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (GEhPL)

124 The judge delayed this so he can suss this clusterfuck out. He know that Mueller isn't coming across with the truth.

Mueller has told Flynn plead guilty and your son walks.

got to be the reason

Posted by: REDACTED at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (L/iaS)

125 104 And yet Hillary walks free as a bird. Not even charged with a damn thing.
Posted by: dingbat at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (Flqhs)
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This is the one that sticks in my craw the most. Hillary committed crimes in the open, used our military to start a war in Lebanon and depose Khadafy because he wouldn't play ball and now we get Flynn being rectal probed by our government for 2 years for "lying" to the FBI.

/spit.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (qC1Sy)

126 Trust Judge Sullivan
Trust Sessions (uh, I mean Whitaker)
Trust the Process (Fultz will come!)
Trust leftover shrimp from that party three days ago

Posted by: Q Anon


I trust gas station sushi more.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (xzezz)

127 I wonder if that same standard applies to high-ranking senior officials of the Department of Justice making false statements to the FISA Court?
________________

That's different! We knew we were lying to the FISA court, and we knew it was a serious crime, but we didn't give a shit, because we knew there would never be any consequences for us!

Posted by: Deep State Conspirators at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (fqUgw)

128 The goal and purpose of all this is to send the unequivocal message to anyone like Gen. Flynn that no matter how long and how faithfully you may have served your country, if you do anything to cross The Cathedral you (and your family) are fair game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Flynn filed a retroactive FARA declaration because he was doing work for Turkey. Ostensibly a NATO ally. For that, this judge is floating the accusation of treason.

And in declaring Flynn's guilt, Mueller's filing makes the pro-forma statement about how Flynn's statements impeded a federal investigation, which is a lie and everyone knows it's a lie. There was no substantive, underlying investigation. The feds had the recordings of Flynn's conversations before they asked the questions.

Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (oNFAg)

129 118 So the things going on in the Flynn case seems to be flying in the face of any level of fair due process for Flynn. Any lefty who really believed in due process would recognize this, but they are all Dbags.


Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with regard to treason, to the extent that Mueller had to reign him in, might indicate that this judge is a legit mental case and prolly should be taken off the case.

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So now a judge asking a defendent over and over if he is sure he wants to plead guilty even though you maintain your innocence is a denial of due process?

Giving the defendent time to rethink this is a denial of due process?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (sX1BW)


== == == ==
Yep. He's also telling the SC that if they continue this charade he'll destroy any value it has to them.

Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (Mq6Af)

130 98 It's a very strange outcome for ANY trial. Kafka-esque, man. F*ckin Kafka-esque

which of the players wakes up in the morning to find himself transformed into a giant cockroach?

Posted by: Anachronda at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (xGZ+b)

131 so.. kinda willowed..

if Mueller is shut down by March, does Flynn go free from all the hidden charges Mueller has hanging over him?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (so+oy)

132 it could be, you know, it could be that the judge is just a dim-witted hack who can't even follow His Master's Voice and read the script properly


that and some Other Stuff. Treason, attempted coup.....Other Stuff

Posted by: the Man who Burps in French at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (9HuGt)

133 (100) I think that eventuality is what fuels the delays. Or something.
When it is over, then what? Drag it all on thru the next Prez election. That's the point.

Posted by: Burger Chef at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (RuIsu)

134 That judge had previously been appointed by both Reagan and Bush 1 to the superior Court of D.C. and the Court of Appeals D.C.

Posted by: No at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (TXqUQ)

135 After sentencing, Flynn would have been free to vent his spleen and tell them all how he really feels. He could go on to expose the FBI corruption that resulted in his conviction. He could write a book, etc.

Not any more. He stays on Mueller's leash.

Posted by: tommylotto at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (dYinJ)

136 Meanwhile we can't even appoint a judge who will reliably stop us paying to chop up babies.

But any one of theirs would put any one of us through a show tribunal for wrongthink that would end in death.

Book it

Posted by: ... at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (fJD5I)

137 The only thing that makes sense to me is that Sharyl Atkisson said that Gen. Flynn was hired to root out the illegal surveillers in the IC so that's why they went after him first.

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (kD8Fh)

138 This is a despicable coup.
May it fail.
I swear our nation is shot through with odious corruption. This is the "fundamental change" Obama boasted of.
Is this is what we truly are, may God have mercy on us.

Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (w7KSn)

139 112 >>>He also asked Flynn over and over if he wanted to pull his guilty plea and if he wanted to delay sentencing. It sounded like he was trying to goad him into it.

This is likely what happened.

Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (oNFAg)

140
By all measures, it obviously appears that the judge inserted himself into the role of Prosecutor.

And the judge CONTINUED the prosecutorial role against the defendant, even though this was the sentencing phase of the trial.

This judge is a Shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (kyzbF)

141
105 Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with regard to treason

not sure whether typo or whether \nn/

Posted by: Anachronda at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (NmR1a)

142 So now a judge asking a defendent over and over if he is sure he wants to plead guilty even though you maintain your innocence is a denial of due process?

Giving the defendent time to rethink this is a denial of due process?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (sX1BW)


== == == ==
Yep. He's also telling the SC that if they continue this charade he'll destroy any value it has to them.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 01:21 PM (Mq6Af)

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Obviously, we could be wrong here, but it seems like Judge Sullivan is the only one trying to get at the truth here.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (sX1BW)

143 118
So the things going on in the Flynn case seems to be flying in the face
of any level of fair due process for Flynn. Any lefty who really
believed in due process would recognize this, but they are all Dbags.





Anywho it als seems to me that the metal ravings of this judge with
regard to treason, to the extent that Mueller had to reign him in, might
indicate that this judge is a legit mental case and prolly should be
taken off the case.



------------



So now a judge asking a defendent over and over if he is sure he
wants to plead guilty even though you maintain your innocence is a
denial of due process?



Giving the defendent time to rethink this is a denial of due process?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:19 PM (sX1BW)

Is that what happened? It seems to me that the judge accused him of being a traitor and threatened him with harsher treatment than the plea deal, and then Mueller said, hold on a second are you bug fuck nuts? After that they implied that maybe the sentencing would be different if he cooperated more?

Are we reading the same stuff. Cause I think your reading comprehension is up there with the judge that Mueller scolded.
But hey I'm not a lawyer.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (ymnmz)

144 This is a despicable coup.
May it fail.
I swear our nation is shot through with odious corruption. This is the "fundamental change" Obama boasted of.
Is this is what we truly are, may God have mercy on us.
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (w7KSn)


Sad, but true.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 01:23 PM (F4u7C)

145
Something got under this judge's bonnet.

And I'm wondering if it was Rush Limbaugh going on and on about this judge's unusually correct behavior in the Stevens case.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (kyzbF)

146 Just another bit of the multi-act production of The Aristocrats.

The government is lawless, judges are lawless and there ain't nothing we can do about any of this.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (qxq6t)

147 So...what exactly will Flynn now be able to offer Bob Mullah? Is he just going to make shit up?


The thing is with making shit up, there can be contradictory evidence to your lies.

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (kD8Fh)

148 I'd like to think that the judge here is threatening to make Mueller's plea offers useless in the future, but I'm not holding my breath given the massive amount of lawlessness that appears to have gone unanswered on the FBI and DOJ's part.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (eAshZ)

149 Years ago, while in the Army, I competed a tour in Turkey. I was reassigned back to the States.
A few months later, a very sharp young captain came to work for me. CPT Flynn.
I wonder how long before Meuller's goons come a knocking???

Kidding aside, as this isn't a laughing matter, I have said it before here, I know of no finer man, no better officer than Mike Flynn. I don't know what happened over the years as we haven't stayed in touch very much, but I will never believe he would put the interests of a foreign nation ahead of America. I just cannot believe that.


Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (0tfLf)

150 The worst thing about this is that Cankles the Clown is cackling her ass off somewhere.

She conjured this all out of whole cloth and the entire US government sprang into action to do her bidding in a way it never would for the lawfully elected President Trump.

Posted by: Thatch at December 18, 2018 01:25 PM (DmvGi)

151 135
After sentencing, Flynn would have been free to vent his spleen and tell
them all how he really feels. He could go on to expose the FBI
corruption that resulted in his conviction. He could write a book, etc.




Not any more. He stays on Mueller's leash.

Posted by: tommylotto at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (dYinJ)


This is exactly what it looks like.

PURE AND SIMPLE.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:25 PM (ymnmz)

152 By all measures, it obviously appears that the judge inserted himself into the role of Prosecutor.

And the judge CONTINUED the prosecutorial role against the defendant, even though this was the sentencing phase of the trial.

This judge is a Shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer

...............

I don't know.. Sullivan's animosity toward the prosecution in the past would make me think it is more likely he was throwing Flynn a bone here.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 01:25 PM (so+oy)

153 > "I'm not suggesting he committed treason."

Why would a federal judge who is supposedly well versed top to bottom in the facts and law of this case even let that word come flying out of his stupid mouth in the first place?

Posted by: Brewdog at December 18, 2018 01:25 PM (oNFAg)

154 Jack, he didn't walk it ALL back. He only walked back his previous accusation of TREASON, because that had been based on incorrect premises.

Posted by: ace at December 18, 2018 01:14 PM (PbpT7)
****
So that is why he didn't sentence him & there is Not sentencing even set. The March 13th is a Status update

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (BqBId)

155 137 The only thing that makes sense to me is that Sharyl Atkisson said that Gen. Flynn was hired to root out the illegal surveillers in the IC so that's why they went after him first.
Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (kD8Fh)

Yup, I contend that Flynn was a target in and of himself.

Him as National Sec Advisor was something the Deep State did not want.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (NgKpN)

156 Is that what happened? It seems to me that the judge accused him of being a traitor and threatened him with harsher treatment than the plea deal, and then Mueller said, hold on a second are you bug fuck nuts?

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What is he pleading guilty too? What is the crime? Why does that crime deserve no punishment?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (sX1BW)

157 Posted by: Thatch at December 18, 2018 01:25 PM (DmvGi)

unfortunately this

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (kD8Fh)

158 Since it seems many have hair on fire, time to go have some lunch and then do some writing.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (trpsZ)

159 Is this is what we truly are, may God have mercy on us.
Posted by: navybrat on a mission from Odin at December 18, 2018 01:22 PM (w7KSn)

Ours is a God of redemption. Nothing is beyond Him.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (J+mig)

160 Strip everything else away...if a prosecutor walks into court with a guilty plea in hand, and walks out with with another court date 3 months hence, that prosecutor had a very, very bad day.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (cCsPW)

161 So, I'm guessing we are not entertained?

They're already partying hard in the blue enclaves.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (37IEG)

162 My guess is Mueller has Flynn's sons nuts in his fist. Can't imagine for what, but it is the only thing that will make Flynn purr like a kitty.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (2LelM)

163 Ours is a God of redemption. Nothing is beyond Him.

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He is also a God of justice.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (XGA3u)

164 Strip everything else away...if a prosecutor walks into court with a guilty plea in hand, and walks out with with another court date 3 months hence, that prosecutor had a very, very bad day.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (cCsPW)

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Good observation.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (sX1BW)

165 Strip everything else away...if a prosecutor walks into court with a guilty plea in hand, and walks out with with another court date 3 months hence, that prosecutor had a very, very bad day.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (BqBId)

166 >>I'm far more disappointed in Flynn than the judge, who was clearly talking out of frustration with Flynn's willingness to be rolled.

I'm not. Flynn has been counseled by his lawyers for months to accept the deal the FBI offered that had zero prison time with it and potentially the opportunity of having the charges dismissed and he walked into the Twilight Zone today in front of a federal judge who is threatening jail and mentioning treason.

I think he did the right thing and ask for delay and regroup. The ground shifted under everyone right in the middle of the sentencing phase and I would want to take some time and think things over myself if I was him.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (/tuJf)

167 156
Is that what happened? It seems to me that the judge accused him of
being a traitor and threatened him with harsher treatment than the plea
deal, and then Mueller said, hold on a second are you bug fuck nuts?



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What is he pleading guilty too? What is the crime? Why does that crime deserve no punishment?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:26 PM (sX1BW)

You must be a troll. No one is arguing that crimes should go unpunished.Must be hard to live in your head.


Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (ymnmz)

168 Suggest you all read the twitter thread at Legal insurrection from a reporter in the courtroom. Judge was doing everything he could to get Flynn to retract his plea.

Posted by: Jen the original at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (L/94n)

169
I'm far more disappointed in Flynn than the judge,
who was clearly talking out of frustration with Flynn's willingness to
be rolled.

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (GdJ+p

=====

This is starting to look right to me. Judge: "Well if you're going to plead guilty, here's what I've got to work with. You lied to the FBI about a matter of national security. You committed a crime that could send you to a federal prison. Why should anyone go easy on this shit?"

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (oGNNA)

170 >>>>>135 After sentencing, Flynn would have been free to vent his spleen and tell them all how he really feels. He could go on to expose the FBI corruption that resulted in his conviction. He could write a book, etc.

Not any more. He stays on Mueller's leash

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Yep, exactly.

Good doggie. Roll over, Flynn.

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (GdJ+p)

171 He is also a God of justice.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (XGA3u)


What the bleep is He waiting for??

I ask him this all the time lately.

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (kD8Fh)

172
My reading is different in what the judge is getting at, seeming to wonder why he is pleading guilty at all, although I don't have access to the secret docs he has.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (r+sAi)

173 95 I'm confused and disgusted

Meanwhile Comey, Stroyk, Hillary, Page, and every criminal in the Obama administration are free as birds with not a worry.

Posted By: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 01:15 PM (ptqGC)
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Disgusted yes. Confused no.

Posted by: ... at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (fJD5I)

174 @152

Nope.


There was no reason for the judge to insert himself in this manner and as said above, Flynn is now still on Mueller's leash.


And you know what the person who controls the leash can do?


It can lead the person on the leash any where it wants to.


Trump needs to blow this whole fucking thing up.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (qxq6t)

175 G-d gave us all the tools we need for our redemption.

We can't ask for much more than that.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (AzW6q)

176
Flynn is going to damage the office of the presidency for his son??

Flynn is a bigger piece of shit than Mueller says, then.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (kyzbF)

177 "I'm not suggesting he committed treason."


I have it on good authority that my opponent's wife is a thespian!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (0tfLf)

178 165
Strip everything else away...if a prosecutor walks into court with a
guilty plea in hand, and walks out with with another court date 3 months
hence, that prosecutor had a very, very bad day.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

THIS

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (BqBId)

Bullshit. He still has Flynn on a leash and continues to whip him. Mueller has a boner.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (ymnmz)

179 Fascism from a Fascist judge.

Posted by: American at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (sFNa8)

180 I cant even read this stuff anymore. This country is fubar.

Posted by: gm at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (/LIOp)

181 You must be a troll. No one is arguing that crimes should go unpunished.Must be hard to live in your head.

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No one but you and Mueller.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (sX1BW)

182 Judge Emmet Sullivan spells his first name with one "t", ace.

I am only saying this because I don't want you to be set up by Mueller. Mis-spelling the name, isn't that a Mueller felony?

Mueller did allegedly once tell an FBI agent he fired, that the agent committed a felony by lying to him - the agent went to Harvard and claimed the school color was "red", not "crimson".


This is the level of Weaseltrash that Mueller is.

I used Weaseltrash so as not to confuse anyone with our own, ethical, Weasel.



Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (UsCnO)

183 Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (kyzbF)

Yeah. At least Corsi, a man much older than Flynn, and with equal to lose...has the stones to fight back.

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:30 PM (kD8Fh)

184 same idea with I will send No One to prison unless a definitive violent crime. Because why should the masses pay for crime that our betters do as a matter of recourse?

Posted by: bah at December 18, 2018 01:11 PM


Prosecutors will just look into our eyes and see conservative conviction and toss us off the jury. Like we had the words 'Jury Nullification' tattooed across our knuckles.

Yeah, we'd likely run out of room for the second word. My case, anyway. Who am I to judge those with extra digits?

Posted by: Newest Nic at December 18, 2018 01:30 PM (jYje5)

185 In other words, we still haven't approached our Bastille.

Posted by: JEM at December 18, 2018 01:30 PM (8erNz)

186 >>Jack, he didn't walk it ALL back. He only walked back his previous accusation of TREASON, because that had been based on incorrect premises.

He gave him the opportunity to rethink his guilty plea, a plea Sullivan doesn't seem to think fits since there was no real crime.

You have to admit, the was one of the strangest plea hearings you've ever heard. Catherine Herridge says in her 20 years covering trials in DC she has never seen anything like that.

I admit it was strange but I think ultimately he gave Flynn a break today.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:31 PM (/tuJf)

187 It's shitshows all the way down.

Posted by: ShainS -- #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 18, 2018 01:31 PM (bJCqW)

188 Corsi said the FIBs showed up at his son's house to shake him down about a laptop computer.

According to Corsi, the son chuckled at the g-men and said be careful, my dog smells FBI meat.

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:31 PM (kD8Fh)

189 >>>>>I'm not. Flynn has been counseled by his lawyers for months to accept the deal the FBI offered that had zero prison time with it and potentially the opportunity of having the charges dismissed and he walked into the Twilight Zone today in front of a federal judge who is threatening jail and mentioning treason.

I think he did the right thing and ask for delay and regroup. The ground shifted under everyone right in the middle of the sentencing phase and I would want to take some time and think things over myself if I was him.

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I would agree if the judge hadn't been so adamant in his goading Flynn to drop the plea, particularly after the pre-sentencing memo that Flynn's team submitted. The underlying message of that was "I was set up and they committed serious misconduct in prosecuting me." Why submit that if you are just going to roll over.

Yes, the ground shifted, but it shifted because of Flynn. The judge was itching to throw this shit out and ream Mueller's thugs a new one.

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:31 PM (GdJ+p)

190 Posted by: occam's brassiere at December 18, 2018 01:27 PM (cCsPW)

This is very true. All pleas follow a form. If it does not go down according to the form then the prosecutor screwed something up somewhere.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (hLRSq)

191 My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (7HtZB)

192 121
If we are able to hold back the tide, and preserve liberty with so much arrayed against us, future generations will call it our finest.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:20 PM (J+mig)


Don't mean to be a downer, but Britain went socialist less than a decade after Churchill said the same thing.

Posted by: rickl at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (xjiRE)

193 Unfortunately the MFM eats this up and will cherry pick the best parts and make the headlines. Good for the Democrats, they will never let this rest. All the "lawyers" on CNN etc, will hype this to the hilt.

Posted by: Colin at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (e06xK)

194 @186

Umm, a break?


To be at the mercy of Mueller and his bully boys for anther three months?

To have to retain incredibly expensive legal counsel for three more months?


Ridiculous.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (qxq6t)

195
I admit it was strange but I think ultimately he gave Flynn a break today.

A break?

Christ Almighty.

The judge could've blew up Mueller today. Instead, the bullshit continues.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (kyzbF)

196 Senile coot Sullivan needs to be impeached.

Posted by: gm at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (/LIOp)

197 191 My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.

Posted by: josephistan at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (7HtZB)


I would but I gots a blood sugar problem,

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (kD8Fh)

198 This is starting to look right to me. Judge: "Well
if you're going to plead guilty, here's what I've got to work with. You
lied to the FBI about a matter of national security. You committed a
crime that could send you to a federal prison. Why should anyone go easy
on this shit?"


Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (oGNNA)
I wish it was this, but every time we convince ourselves someone is playing 4 dimensional Vulcan chess with Mueller we end up later with our hair on fire as it turns out to be tic-tac-toe with Mueller/Dems/Deep State going first.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (37IEG)

199 Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (ymnmz)
+++++
Wrong DOLT!! Flynn has a NDA on him as long as he is not sentenced & sent to jail. He can't talk about anything he has seen

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (BqBId)

200 181
You must be a troll. No one is arguing that crimes should go unpunished.Must be hard to live in your head.



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No one but you and Mueller.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:29 PM (sX1BW)

Hillary's FOIA'd and wiped server begs to disagree.
You are still a troll and a plea deal is part of the legal process, whether you like it or not. Are you suggesting Mueller went soft on Flynn?

LOL

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (ymnmz)

201 Remember the scene in "Dark Knight Rises" where the criminals set up their own court? That scene keeps coming to mind, again and again.

Posted by: Gonads and Strife at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (smXDp)

202 We are Americans.

Failure is not an option.

It was not an option when King George attempted to reduce the colonies to de-facto slavery.

It was not an option through the hellish winter at Valley Forge.

It was not an option when the Democrats seceded

It was not an option when the Japanese torpedoed the Pacific Fleet.

It was not an option when the Soviets got the bomb.

Here, with our backs to the wall, I say the same.

Failure is not an option. The line must be drawn here.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (J+mig)

203 This judge seems to be operating with 10% of the information that all of the rest of us have.

Shouldn't there have been at least some mention of the underhanded tactics of the persecution?

Posted by: franksalterego at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (3cq8T)

204
If this judge was stand-up, he would've dismissed the case.

He gave no break to Flynn today. This judge is a Shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (kyzbF)

205 Don't know if this has been mentioned yet but Kurt Schlichter had a pretty good rant at Townhall.


https://tinyurl.com/y8js4an5

Posted by: Timon at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (dKm4U)

206 Ugh, wish I'd bought judges back when the Clintons did. The prices weren't cheap but they value you get and the way they appreciate really makes them good investments.

So impracticable to buy now.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (xJa6I)

207 Grade A shitshow.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (NWiLs)

A lower grade shitshow would be akin to an Amy Schumer nude pole dance.

Posted by: Roy at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (9rXxD)

208 166 >>I'm far more disappointed in Flynn than the judge, who was clearly talking out of frustration with Flynn's willingness to be rolled.

I'm not. Flynn has been counseled by his lawyers for months to accept the deal the FBI offered that had zero prison time with it and potentially the opportunity of having the charges dismissed and he walked into the Twilight Zone today in front of a federal judge who is threatening jail and mentioning treason.

I think he did the right thing and ask for delay and regroup. The ground shifted under everyone right in the middle of the sentencing phase and I would want to take some time and think things over myself if I was him.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (/tuJf)


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I think (and hope!) this was the Judge's way of slapping Flynn in the face and saying "Snap outta it!".

Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (Mq6Af)

209 I also disagree with Ace. The judge stated that he wouldn't sentence anyone who maintained their innocence, and asked Flynn multiple times if he wanted to challenge the circumstances.

I think the judge was pointing out the absurdity of the circumstances; that according to the special counsel he lied to FBI agents, lied about being misled, worked as a foreign agent, and may have committed treason and Logan Act violations...

...but because he plead guilty to lying and the Special Counsel recommended no time, he should serve no time while he testifies against others for crimes he's theoretically implicated in.

The judge is saying that he can't get off easy (specifically references Petraeus) by cooperating, either he's a criminal who deserves jail time or he's been railroaded.

Posted by: GrapeDrink at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (prRje)

210 libertyandjusticeforall
@Mark923to25
It's all about the NDA (non disclosure agreement) in place folks; @GenFlynn can never offer testimony of deep state crimes to Huber or other Special Counsel with that NDA in place; If charges are dismissed, he has no legal basis to get around NDA to testify as to crimes

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)

211 198: I agree. For a year we were lectured on the 4D chess strategies of Sessions and Rosenstein, and that turned out to be crap.

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (U7k5w)

212 Hillary's FOIA'd and wiped server begs to disagree.
You are still a troll and a plea deal is part of the legal process, whether you like it or not. Are you suggesting Mueller went soft on Flynn?

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What does Hillary have to do with anything I have said?

And where did I say Mueller went soft on Flynn?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (sX1BW)

213 With a 3-month delay, this will be coming back to court as the 2020 presidential campaign is starting to form up. It won't be going in earnest by any means, but the players will be starting to emerge. Whatever happens then (and G-d forbid another delay), it will be during a time with implications to some degree for 2020.

If this judge is indeed on the deep state side of the house, this might be a factor. I see this (not a lawyer, not even a good amateur legal mind) as more ambiguous than "the judge is a bad guy" but the timing is potentially a cause for nervousness.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (I2dne)

214 Some of us are ashamed that we did.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (XGA3u)



BS to that, we are still a Republic and you are one of the keepers of the flame, hold your head up high.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (otLn5)

215
From what I recall at the time Flynn was first fired, he was fired because he 'lied' to Pence. At the time I recall things were rather 'fluid' in the WH and other executive agencies: how far to push any narrative either for or against PDJT's election. Maybe the swampers decided to go with 'lying' to FBI rather than Pence.

Pence had one freebie as a power player and he wasted it on Flynn (according to the insider scoops) because Flynn wasn't a team player somehow. I have no brief for Flynn, a swampy creature at best, but the whole thing still reeks.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (MIKMs)

216
Unfortunately the MFM eats this up and will cherry
pick the best parts and make the headlines. Good for the Democrats, they
will never let this rest. All the "lawyers" on CNN etc, will hype this
to the hilt.


Posted by: Colin at December 18, 2018 01:32 PM (e06x

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I have the feeling the worm will turn once more on this, and the MFM will hide this to the hilt.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:36 PM (oGNNA)

217 If this judge was stand-up, he would've dismissed the case.

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Really??? The matter before him today was a plea deal. How does a judge dismiss a plea deal.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:36 PM (8XRCm)

218 "Catherine Herridge says in her 20 years covering trials in DC she has never seen anything like that."

I saw four years of plea hearings and never heard of anything like this.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:36 PM (hLRSq)

219 We can haz burning times now?

Posted by: Roland THTG Kinetic Activist North Central Division at December 18, 2018 01:36 PM (88+cf)

220 Confess and you may receive a quick death.
Deny and you must be purified by pain.
Do you confess?
Then on the morrow you shall receive your purification.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (uGHnY)

221 So impracticable to buy now.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (xJa6I)

-------

They don't need to be bought. They're honest-to-goodness statists, and can be relied upon without payment of any kind.

They're not Bill Kristol. They're George Soros.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (AzW6q)

222 he has no legal basis to get around NDA to testify as to crimes

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)


what does this mean? How does any NDA prevent exposing criminal activity? I thought it was about privacy issues, proprietary assets, etc.

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (kD8Fh)

223 It's all about the NDA (non disclosure agreement) in place folks; @GenFlynn can never offer testimony of deep state crimes to Huber or other Special Counsel with that NDA in place; If charges are dismissed, he has no legal basis to get around NDA to testify as to crimes
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)

How can the Federal Government write an NDA that says you can't talk to the Federal Government?

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (NgKpN)

224 How does a judge dismiss a plea deal.

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When he knows something is amiss.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (sX1BW)

225 Flynn is an idiot - what he should have done was attack a US senator... you only get 30 days for that.

Posted by: reality man at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (xOBRH)

226
Add all this on top of we now two Liberal senators from AZ.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (r+sAi)

227 It's time for PDT to step in and pardon everyone in this f****** witchhunt. There will be no semblance of justice left if this shit continues.

Posted by: ShainS -- #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (bJCqW)

228 You can't sign an NDA to prevent disclosing criminal acts. Contracts 101

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (xfb67)

229
Oh today was a sentence hearing?

Okay, then, where's the sentence??

This judge is a donkey. He's playing games.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (kyzbF)

230

1. POTUS Pardons
2. Judge Recalled by ballot, found in bed with dead sheep, converts to Islam and moves to Islamic madras in Turkey where he develops a Fatwah practice, issuing death sentences for gay commoners and bad authors.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (rr4fE)

231 Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (J+mig)

---

Nice sentiment, would almost agree except for one little thing...

We now have about half of the American population dumbed down and fat, with our millennial generation having to be schooled on how to be an adult.

Not exactly a recipe for success.

Posted by: SMH at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (XGA3u)

232 210
libertyandjusticeforall

@Mark923to25

It's all about the NDA (non disclosure agreement) in place folks;
@GenFlynn can never offer testimony of deep state crimes to Huber or
other Special Counsel with that NDA in place; If charges are dismissed,
he has no legal basis to get around NDA to testify as to crimes

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)

This is interesting. So the judge was doing Mueller a favor by trying to get Flynn to withdraw his guilty pleas and was threatening him with treason so that he could keep get Flynn to withdraw and ultimately keeping Flynns mouth shut........ oh shit I give up.


Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (ymnmz)

233

It's hilarious to see some of you say the judge did Flynn a favor today.

What a joke.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (kyzbF)

234 How does a judge dismiss a plea deal.

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When he knows something is amiss.
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:37 PM (sX1BW)

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No. Because if judges start altering plea deals, nobody will make plea deals.

He knew something was amiss. He was trying to get Flynn to not do the deal.

Flynn wlaked out with 90 days to "think it over".

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (8XRCm)

235 So the the deal Flynn agreed to was NO jail time if he pled guilty to lying? And the judge was all:

"um...I don't think that's a good deal for you General Flynn? Come back in 3 months."

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (kD8Fh)

236 That was a shot at Meuller.

"I can make your shitty plea deals worthless and NOBODY will take your shitty plea deals any longer."

Interesting take. I'm reminded of the Murry-Gellman Amnesia Effect. We know firsthand how media distorts, even inadvertently, events we have direct experience with. And yet we're taking Twitter as gospel.

The transcript could ring a different tone in person where things like context, tone, sarcasm etc are in full play.

Wait and see I guess. But it still reeks of the Judge motivating Flynn to make false statements to escape harsher sentencing. That's not how I was raised to administer "justice"

Surprised they dont have blank affadivits already prepared

I, ________, do solemnly swear to avoid prison by fingering Orange Man for acts of ____________ occurring on or about _________, to include any other crimes the Grand Global Marxist Commisar chooses to list in Appendix A.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (6S+Rb)

237
every time we convince ourselves someone is playing 4
dimensional Vulcan chess with Mueller we end up later with our hair on
fire as it turns out to be tic-tac-toe with Mueller/Dems/Deep State
going first.


Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:33 PM (37IE

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I don't think the judge is playing 4D chess. I'm getting persuaded here that he's plain mad. Like he's exasperated and saying "Okay, you wanna make my life hard by pleading guilty to these stupid charges by this bogus prosecution after all I've done to try to get some justice in here? Fine. Here's what GUILT is in a federal court. All of you make me sick."

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (oGNNA)

238 It's time for PDT to step in and pardon everyone in this f****** witchhunt. There will be no semblance of justice left if this shit continues.
Posted by: ShainS -- #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 18, 2018 01:38 PM (bJCqW)

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I could see PDT doing this, after sentencing is completed. Not before.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (ffYR/)

239 212
Hillary's FOIA'd and wiped server begs to disagree.

You are still a troll and a plea deal is part of the legal process,
whether you like it or not. Are you suggesting Mueller went soft on
Flynn?



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What does Hillary have to do with anything I have said?



And where did I say Mueller went soft on Flynn?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (sX1BW)

lol

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (ymnmz)

240 "18 >>>I can't imagine why a Mueller fan would expend this much energy on calling attention to the 302s.

Because he was looking for MOAR EVIDENCE against Flynn.

And because he wanted to bring up this idea that if Flynn complains about FBI tactics, then he's not really accepting responsibility, and can be thrown in jail.

he wants to throw him in jail and is looking for any reason to do so."

I'm calling "racism" as well as "totalitarianism." The judge is black. Lt. Gen. Flynn offended black Jesus.

Reason 12,211,444 to nullify federal cases and do everything possible to prevent your children from serving in the military or any civilian branch of this corrupt occupation government that has started to put the USSR to shame.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (iw59Q)

241 Suggest you all read the twitter thread at Legal insurrection from a reporter in the courtroom. Judge was doing everything he could to get Flynn to retract his plea.
Posted by: Jen the original at December 18, 2018 01:28 PM (L/94n)

Jen- And then have him go to trial? Or could the judge do something else in the meantime?


And I don't understand why it was so egregious that Flynn's lawyers pointed out the malfeasance in the initial interviews. If the judge think thats irrelevant, he could ignore it. It almost sounds like he was trying to punish Flynn for his lawyers raising those facts.

Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (XROPS)

242 Soap Box
Ballot Box

Running out of boxes......

Posted by: Roland THTG Kinetic Activist North Central Division at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (88+cf)

243 POTUS_Schedule @POTUS_Schedule
Tuesday, 18 December 2018
POTUS has sent a letter to the Speaker of the House extending the National Emergency declared in Executive Order 13818 of December 20, 2017
*****
Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human
Rights Abuse or Corruption
++++
HMMMMMMMMMMM????

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (BqBId)

244 >>I think (and hope!) this was the Judge's way of slapping Flynn in the face and saying "Snap outta it!".

That and maybe "Trust me, I know what happened".

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (/tuJf)

245
So the the deal Flynn agreed to was NO jail time if he pled guilty to lying? And the judge was all:

"um...I don't think that's a good deal for you General Flynn? Come back in 3 months."

Posted by: kallisto



Yeah.

Makes perfect sense!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (kyzbF)

246 Judge cannot throw it out with a guilty plea... so needs him to change his plea? This is a weird reversal to the usual to entice someone to plead guilty.

Posted by: TonicDog at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (teKzb)

247 I don't think the judge is playing 4D chess. I'm getting persuaded here that he's plain mad. Like he's exasperated and saying "Okay, you wanna make my life hard by pleading guilty to these stupid charges by this bogus prosecution after all I've done to try to get some justice in here? Fine. Here's what GUILT is in a federal court. All of you make me sick."
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (oGNNA)


Maybe this. A pox on all your houses.

Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (XROPS)

248 @234

Well attorney client privledge was blown up to get Trump, why stop there.


Let's blow up plea deals.


Hell Mueller and his bully boys should go bring Melania in for questioning.


If we are going to shred the constitution let's fucking shred the constitution bigly!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (qxq6t)

249 It's all about the NDA (non disclosure agreement) in place folks;
@GenFlynn can never offer testimony of deep state crimes to Huber or
other Special Counsel with that NDA in place; If charges are dismissed,
he has no legal basis to get around NDA to testify as to crimes

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (BqBId)

This is interesting. So the judge was doing Mueller a favor by trying to get Flynn to withdraw his guilty pleas and was threatening him with treason so that he could keep get Flynn to withdraw and ultimately keeping Flynns mouth shut........ oh shit I give up.


Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:39 PM (ymnmz)

I don't buy it. Mueller still works for the DOJ, and thus the President.

How can he write an NDA that say Flynn can't talk to the DOJ? or the President? or the DOJ IG?

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (NgKpN)

250 Since running a plea agreement sentencing is as simple as it comes, why did the prosecutor screw this one up?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (hLRSq)

251 Just tell the truth...you are being forced to plead guilty.

Posted by: TonicDog at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (teKzb)

252 And speaking of judges . . .

The Hill
@thehill
Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit

-
That's right. The purpose of public education is to provide employment to the incompetent and to brainwash students, not to help the students.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (+y/Ru)

253 Yeah.

Makes perfect sense!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:41 PM (kyzbF)


It does make sense when you read comment 246

Posted by: kallisto at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (kD8Fh)

254 "214BS to that, we are still a Republic and you are one of the keepers of the flame, hold your head up high.

Posted by: Braenyard at December 18, 2018 01:35 PM (otLn5)"
...
The problem here is centered on the definition of "we". There is a "we" that includes you and I and most here, but I'm not even sure that constitutes a majority of those living within CONUS. And it certainly doesn't seem to encompass the actual government.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (eAshZ)

255 >>>>The judge could've blew up Mueller today. Instead, the bullshit continues.

Exactly. Flynn had the grenade that would have blown the whole "muh Russia" investigation to kingdom come. The judge indicated he was quite willing to pull the pin. And Flynn refused to hand him the grenade.

I no longer feel any sympathy for him being on Mueller's leash. When you have the judge on your side and begging you to drop the plea because he knows you were set up, you take it. You don't fucking insult the judge by insisting on continuing the charade, especially after you submit a sentencing memo that laid out why it was a setup in the first place. I don't blame Sullivan for being pissed.

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (GdJ+p)

256

The judge: Flynn, either you request a delay in this farce or I will sentence you jail time, and it will be a long jail time.


Right? That's what the judge said and did.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (kyzbF)

257 March is a status meeting not a sentencing hearing. It is indefinite.

Anyone who thinks Mueller is wrapping up anytime - much less anytime soon - is deluded.

Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (ZfRYq)

258 Wouldn't it be great if someone on the side of justice started digging into this judge's personal life?

If he's not dirty, I'm the Pope.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (xJa6I)

259 Don't worry, the judge pointed to the N in Flynn's name, and then held up three fingers. Three letters from N is Q. The judge is following the plan.

Posted by: Q Anon at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (J70i0)

260 "Flynn is an idiot - what he should have done was attack a US senator... you only get 30 days for that."

Hold my beer.

You can crack open skulls with a bicycle lock and get 3 years probation.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (6S+Rb)

261 Maybe the Judge is appalled at the hostage taking that Mueller has indulged in? Three months puts the onus on Mueller and his crew of Hillary foot warmers. Maybe.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 01:45 PM (2LelM)

262 251
Since running a plea agreement sentencing is as simple as it comes, why did the prosecutor screw this one up?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:42 PM (hLRSq)


I'll bite. To make Flynn think it was almost over then reel him back in and beat him with the rubber hose some more?That's the Occam's Razor of this.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:45 PM (ymnmz)

263 >>Anyone who thinks Mueller is wrapping up anytime - much less anytime soon - is deluded.

Anyone who still thinks this has anything to do with Trump is even more deluded.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:46 PM (/tuJf)

264 253 Which is why I can't stand this "first responders heroes" bullshit.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 01:46 PM (BXMxN)

265 260: Ha! And Stealthjeff is working on the matter, crossing Ts in silence as he sharpens his ax on Wednesdays

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:46 PM (U7k5w)

266 Or maybe I'm just vent-y today.

Bleh. Screwed up at work yesterday and it's making me cranky.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (xJa6I)

267 Bongino is fun today.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (+BKF+)

268 "Most judges - the vast majority at the federal level in particular - are the hardest line statists you'll find. They back the state in virtually all things. They may rule against the state in small matters to preserve the veneer of impartiality, but when the chips are down, the high priests of the state will do their duty for their god."

This and I know it from personal experience. Our judge sided with DNR on every single thing they wanted, even when it made no sense.

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (JKNZq)

269 i can't crack this code.

Posted by: concrete girl at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (LG/rj)

270 "I've never sentenced someone for a crime who wasn't guilty... I don't want to start now."

Is that an accurate quote?

Posted by: franksalterego at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (3cq8T)

271 Out before the trolls have a field day.

Posted by: steevy at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (BXMxN)

272 149
Years ago, while in the Army, I competed a tour in Turkey. I was reassigned back to the States.

A few months later, a very sharp young captain came to work for me. CPT Flynn.

I wonder how long before Meuller's goons come a knocking???



Kidding aside, as this isn't a laughing matter, I have said it
before here, I know of no finer man, no better officer than Mike Flynn. I
don't know what happened over the years as we haven't stayed in touch
very much, but I will never believe he would put the interests of a
foreign nation ahead of America. I just cannot believe that.







Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (0tfLf)

So this makes us all ONE degree of separation from General Flynn.

Hanging around ace's place is pretty cool!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (UsCnO)

273 To make Flynn think it was almost over then reel him back in and beat him with the rubber hose some more?That's the Occam's Razor of this.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:45 PM (ymnmz)

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Id buy that.

Except for the 302. Meullers teams was FORCED to provide the 302. Judge reads the 302 and goes "wait just a goddamned cotton pickin minute. NOBODY thought you were lying??? Then why you pleading to lying in my court??"

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (8XRCm)

274 258 March is a status meeting not a sentencing hearing. It is indefinite.

Anyone who thinks Mueller is wrapping up anytime - much less anytime soon - is deluded.
Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:44 PM (ZfRYq)

This was continued at Flynn's request.

So does he then get to set the schedule? Can he go to the court next week and say, we dropped the plea agreement, and would like a court date?

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (NgKpN)

275 "264 >>Anyone who thinks Mueller is wrapping up anytime - much less anytime soon - is deluded.

Anyone who still thinks this has anything to do with Trump is even more deluded."

I must be quite delusional. This seems solely about Trump. And Flynn dissin' Chocolate Jesus (hope that last part is wrong but no longer have any faith in any of this BS).

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (iw59Q)

276 Flynn does not have my sympathy. Not anymore. Trump either.

Posted by: nip at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (DfGpI)

277 I don't see where the judge was offering to throw out the case if Flynn would just take back his plea. The judge could do that on his own. Judges can do anything they want in their courtroom.

He told Flynn he was disgusted by him. Flynn wanted the case over. The judge took it from him, gave him Mueller as overseer for indefinite period.

Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (ZfRYq)

278 Oh. My bad. I get it now:

2 + 2 = Fish

Dont know how I missed that. Sorry. This is going to be like when the banks sold synthetic CDOs and we bailed them out for ripping us off.

Rope just shot up 150.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (6S+Rb)

279

The Hill
@thehill
Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit



Have You Ever Seen A Better Argument For the Second Amendment?

Add that with what Mueller is doing...

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (kyzbF)

280 Posted by: Steven Hays
Is your misspelling of a WS writer meant to be clever according to some pretzel logic of your own, or are you merely an imbecile?

Go suck-start Winona, and by Winona I mean John Crichton's pulse pistol.

Posted by: Sporkatus at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM (HtLSE)

281 Except for the 302. Meullers teams was FORCED to provide the 302. Judge reads the 302 and goes "wait just a goddamned cotton pickin minute. NOBODY thought you were lying??? Then why you pleading to lying in my court??"
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (8XRCm)

Judge apparently got those THIS MORNING.

Question is, did the Defense have them? if so it seems they could have given them to the Judge.

ergo, I don't think the defense had this major piece of evidence... which is VERY troubling.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM (NgKpN)

282 253
And speaking of judges . . .



The Hill

@thehill

Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit



-

That's right. The purpose of public education is to provide
employment to the incompetent and to brainwash students, not to help the
students.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (+y/Ru)

This goes back to the earlier SCOTUS rulings on Warren vs. District of Columbia, DeShaney v. Winnebago County and Castle Rock v. Gonzales stating that LEO is not constitutionally bound to protect us.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM (jxbfJ)

283 Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:46 PM (U7k5w)
******
You & Kreplach ought to start a law firm

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (BqBId)

284 XI DEFENDS COMMUNISM...
Christians 'Standing in the Way' of Totalitarian Rule...

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Damn Christians! Always standing in the way of justice!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (+y/Ru)

285 Can anyone tell the difference between the FBI and ISIS?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (2LelM)

286 I must be quite delusional. This seems solely about Trump. And Flynn dissin' Chocolate Jesus (hope that last part is wrong but no longer have any faith in any of this BS).
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:49 PM (iw59Q)

Flynn was known as a straight shooter.

NOT someone the deep state wanted as National Security Advisor.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (NgKpN)

287
Id buy that.



Except for the 302. Meullers teams was FORCED to provide the 302.
Judge reads the 302 and goes "wait just a goddamned cotton pickin
minute. NOBODY thought you were lying??? Then why you pleading to
lying in my court??"

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:48 PM (8XRCm)


Forced or "forced". I get it, Mueller was probably actually forced to cough them up, but I don't see how having anther 3 months to boot on neck Flynn is not a victory for Mueller. He doesn't care about legit convictions, the process is the punishment.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:51 PM (ymnmz)

288 286: YAWN

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:52 PM (U7k5w)

289 >>I must be quite delusional. This seems solely about Trump. And Flynn dissin' Chocolate Jesus (hope that last part is wrong but no longer have any faith in any of this BS).

What does Trump have to do with any potential lies Flynn might have said to the FBI or a FARA case he wasn't involved with?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:52 PM (/tuJf)

290
Synchronicity: this morning Insty published a link to someone who disagrees with his 'Ham Sandwich Nation' essays. There is no such thing as prosecutorial abuse and those who think that are ignorant. Reynolds is very tolerant and really likes honest and educated debate, so the whole Mullerwaffen strafing of political disagreements is pretty ironic today.

Posted by: mustbequantum at December 18, 2018 01:53 PM (MIKMs)

291 Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:52 PM (U7k5w)
****
Maybe you are one & the same, Schizo Much ?

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:53 PM (BqBId)

292 A lower grade shitshow would be akin to an Amy Schumer nude pole dance.

Posted by: Roy at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM



Dude...some of us are eating lunch, here.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 18, 2018 01:53 PM (p+Wdc)

293 "I've never taken a guilty plea from someone who is not guilty, and I don't intend to now."



- Judge Emmet Sullivan, during today's Flynn sentencing.


Now that there is some real, HTG, tea leaves.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (UsCnO)

294 @253 And speaking of judges . . .

The Hill
@thehill
Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit

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That's right. The purpose of public education is to provide employment to the incompetent and to brainwash students, not to help the students.
----------------------

This isn't really new. The decision is recent, but the doctrine espoused isn't. It's based off of a US Supreme Court decision from several years back that ruled that the police are not required to keep innocent civilians alive and/or unharmed.

While I don't like the implications of this, I suspect that the reason for it is pretty straightforward. Otherwise the cops could be sued for all sorts of stuff that happened that was arguably not under their control, such as a hostage negotiation that went bad.

Posted by: junior at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (Fp6vo)

295 294: I suspect you have a few other names here.

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (U7k5w)

296
Can anyone tell the difference between the FBI and ISIS?

Posted by: Puddin Head
__________________

No,, not really. I love them both...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (GEhPL)

297 And speaking of judges . . .

The Hill
@thehill
Judge rules cops, schools had no duty to shield students in Parkland shooting lawsuit

-
That's right. The purpose of public education is to provide employment to the incompetent and to brainwash students, not to help the students.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 18, 2018 01:43 PM (+y/Ru)


Wait.....Doesn't it say "to protect and serve" on the side of every police car everywhere?

PROTECT means, yes...putting yourself between a criminal and the people.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (F4u7C)

298 Nood.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (ffYR/)

299 Eh...Where is Flynn's atty in all this?
Or did he leave him home AGAIN!?

Posted by: Shep Smith at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (xqfqx)

300 Penny Marshall dies aged 75 from complications caused by her diabetes - Daily Mai

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (BqBId)

301 @292:

The admonition about further cooperation has nothing to do with whether Flynn can plea to those charges, does it?

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (iw59Q)

302 Q will be the judge!
https://tinyurl.com/ybcsgakx

Posted by: andycanuck at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (Evws/)

303 The Progressives are longing for Lavrentiy Beria...

Posted by: kraken at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (90T4r)

304
lower grade shitshow would be akin to an Amy Schumer nude pole dance.

Posted by: Roy
_________________

I'd hit it...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (GEhPL)

305 Shemp Shlock Sock off

Posted by: dananjcon at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (xqfqx)

306 I suspect you have a few other names here.
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (U7k5w)
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Nope ! sorry Kreplach, 1 Have one name

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (BqBId)

307 "I must be quite delusional. This seems solely about Trump."

No, this is about anyone who was thinking of going against the Establishment Party the way Trump has.

You weren't thinking of getting out of line, were you?

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 01:55 PM (6S+Rb)

308 This goes back to the earlier SCOTUS rulings on
Warren vs. District of Columbia, DeShaney v. Winnebago County and Castle
Rock v. Gonzales stating that LEO is not constitutionally bound to
protect us.


Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM


Hell, those rulings go back as far as the 1860s. Always screws with the lefty law students' heads when they have to read that one.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (p+Wdc)

309 @JackStraw I have been swayed before by your arguments, but if it's from Mueller, it's about Trump. That is Muellers reason for being.

Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (ZfRYq)

310 I suspect you have a few other names here.
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 01:54 PM (U7k5w)
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& you were/are UnderFire too, That is why that one went apeshit & got Ban Hammered

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (BqBId)

311 This goes back to the earlier SCOTUS rulings on Warren vs. District of Columbia, DeShaney v. Winnebago County and Castle Rock v. Gonzales stating that LEO is not constitutionally bound to protect us.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed


Unless you are a prisoner and under their control.

And someone, (can't remember where I read it), made the argument that kids are akin to prisoners due to forced attendance, arrest if the cut, and not allowed weapons to defend themselves.

Made a compelling argument. I wish I could find it.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (xzezz)

312 "284This goes back to the earlier SCOTUS rulings on
Warren vs. District of Columbia, DeShaney v. Winnebago County and Castle
Rock v. Gonzales stating that LEO is not constitutionally bound to
protect us.


Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 18, 2018 01:50 PM (jxbfJ)"
...
The big problem with this isn't the LEOs, it's the school. Public education is largely mandatory, and the schools are serving in loco parentis. They very emphatically have a duty to protect their students; to argue otherwise is batshit crazy.
With this decision they're telling anyone that can't afford home or private schools that they're required to hand their kids over to the state during the school week, but that the state only has a watered down, half-assed obligation to keep them safe.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (eAshZ)

313 >>The admonition about further cooperation has nothing to do with whether Flynn can plea to those charges, does it?

I'm not sure what that has to do with my question but I don't think so.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (/tuJf)

314 @310:

Well, yes.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (iw59Q)

315 Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 18, 2018 01:45 PM (ymnmz)

Could be. I suppose we are going to need a little more time than the 48 Hour Rule gives to sort out what the what just was going on.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Ho Ho Ho! Red Faced Rants are In at The Outrage Outlet! at December 18, 2018 01:57 PM (hLRSq)

316
I don't think the judge is playing 4D chess. I'm
getting persuaded here that he's plain mad. Like he's exasperated and
saying "Okay, you wanna make my life hard by pleading guilty to these
stupid charges by this bogus prosecution after all I've done to try to
get some justice in here? Fine. Here's what GUILT is in a federal court.
All of you make me sick."


Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 18, 2018 01:40 PM (oGNNA)
I just don't think Flynn is going to shatter his bonds and yell "I'm innocent! Free me!".

So we've watched Romeo drink the poison, now we're just waiting for Juliet to wake up and stab herself. Flynn isn't going to change his plea and the Judge isn't going to throw the case out, if he were, he'd have already done it.
Realistically if we assume Sullivan thinks this can be played against Mueller and in favor of Flynn, what does he think is going to happen now?


All I see is Mueller cackling and telling his men to press Flynn to make up some shit that implicates Trump and all of this goes away for him.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (37IEG)

317 And someone, (can't remember where I read it), made the argument that kids are akin to prisoners due to forced attendance, arrest if the cut, and not allowed weapons to defend themselves.

Made a compelling argument. I wish I could find it.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 01:56 PM (xzezz)

I used to make that argument when I was in school. I'd cap it off by noting that prisoners are better, too.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (J+mig)

318 are better, too.
Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (J+mig)

Ate better. The cafeteria there really sucked

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:58 PM (J+mig)

319 @316 With this decision they're telling anyone that can't afford home or private schools that they're required to hand their kids over to the state during the school week, but that the state only has a watered down, half-assed obligation to keep them safe.
-----------------

On the other hand, the parents could throw out the school board if they were so inclined. So if the school board decided that they weren't going to make the protection of the kids a priority, the parents could bring in a school board that was willing to do so.

But I'm guessing that the parents won't.

Posted by: junior at December 18, 2018 01:59 PM (Fp6vo)

320 313: Rubbish

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (U7k5w)

321 After reading the post at Legal Insurrection I'm of the opinion that this judge is setting the prosecution up for misconduct charges.

The judge asked Flynn if, after seeing the 302s that were withheld (exculpatory evidence prosection withheld) if he wanted to change his plea and Flynn declined the offer. The judge tried several more times to get him to withdraw his plea since it was blatantly obvious Mueller withheld information and the original 302s and notes are gone.

Now the judge saying he could sentence Flynn to lengthy jail time comes through harshly when READ but we dont know his tone when SPOKEN. The judge was giving him a chance to reconsider a guilty plea in light of this new evidence. Flynn again declined.

Finally the judge asked for both parties to get together amd come up with a plan when they reconveve in March.

The takeaway?

Flynn has been mentally broken by the Mueller prosecution. He is no longer a use to them but he does not want his family to suffer any longer. The judge gave him every oppprtunity to fight this injustice but Flynn is broken.

This judge saw straight through Muellers BS in witholding exculpatory evidence. I think this judge is also pissed at the delays in providing the information and the fact that the original 302s and notes have been destroyed. I thimk that when this reconvenes in March there are gonna be fireworks and they will be directed at Mueller.

Thats my reading of the situation as posted at Legal Imsurrection and elsewhere.

Posted by: Nevyan at December 18, 2018 02:00 PM (a7HML)

322 Everything Mueller is doing is about Trump.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 02:01 PM (r+sAi)

323 312: I agree, it's all about Trump and attempting to delegitimize the election of 2016.

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 02:02 PM (U7k5w)

324 @317:

If it was just about Flynn, a plea could have been accepted from him today with the recommended sentence. Maybe I'm missing something--the judge actually is pissed at Flynn and wants to throw the book at him over the specific charges--but not prone to see this as anything more than "repeat after me, 'Trump and I were hanging with the oligarchs and their whores at their Black Sea resort...'"

I would like to think this was a veiled suggestion to withdraw the plea, but Sullivan's remarks don't indicate so.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (iw59Q)

325 >>>>Ha! And Stealthjeff is working on the matter, crossing Ts in silence as he sharpens his ax on Wednesdays

I'm sure he'll have plenty of tweets how all this is planned according to their elaborate game of eleventy seven dimensional ju jitsu chess ...

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (GdJ+p)

326 256
>>>>The judge could've blew up Mueller today. Instead, the bullshit continues.



Exactly. Flynn had the grenade that would have blown the whole "muh
Russia" investigation to kingdom come. The judge indicated he was
quite willing to pull the pin. And Flynn refused to hand him the
grenade.



I no longer feel any sympathy for him being on Mueller's leash.
When you have the judge on your side and begging you to drop the plea
because he knows you were set up, you take it.

-------------------------------------


Not after Mueller told Flynn that if he whines, his son is prison mincemeat. Flynn told the Judge, "Watch me eat Mueller's fish! arf, arf, arf, clap clap! No, Judge, I really like herring!"


Because that is exactly what Mueller told Flynn what to say. Why is this so difficult to understand?




Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (UsCnO)

327 320: You should join the CN and Kreplach law firm

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 02:03 PM (U7k5w)

328 Actually I disagree.

He asked Flynn 3 or 4 times in the hearing if he wanted to change his plea before going off on him.

It feels to me like the judge knows this entire charge is bullshit, and he's signaling to Flynn that the judge doesn't CARE what 'deal' has been made with the prosecutor, if he pleads guilty he's getting jail time.

The judge is sending a signal to Flynn - fight the laughable charge, or go to jail, but he's not going to allow Flynn to plead guilty and walk away.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at December 18, 2018 02:04 PM (setIA)

329 329: It's like watching a piece of shit fiction at this point. The other day his followers were treated to a long thread about how the greatest spook of all time, Flynn, had set up his unworthy opponents, which were Mueller and the FBI

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 02:06 PM (U7k5w)

330 247 I don't think the judge is playing 4D chess. I'm getting persuaded here that he's plain mad. Like he's exasperated and saying "Okay, you wanna make my life hard by pleading guilty to these stupid charges by this bogus prosecution after all I've done to try to get some justice in here? Fine. Here's what GUILT is in a federal court. All of you make me sick."

That would follow his earlier exasperation re the games surrounding the 302s. He won't allow Lady Justice to be pimped out on his watch.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (6S+Rb)

331 114
Schlichters right. Buy guns and ammo.



This is maddening.





Posted by: blaster at December 18, 2018 01:18 PM (ZfRYq)
====================

What is frustrating is that Schlichter is stealing our own Mark Andrew Edwards gig right before our eyes.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 02:09 PM (UsCnO)

332 202
We are Americans.



Failure is not an option.



It was not an option when King George attempted to reduce the colonies to de-facto slavery.



It was not an option through the hellish winter at Valley Forge.



It was not an option when the Democrats seceded



It was not an option when the Japanese torpedoed the Pacific Fleet.



It was not an option when the Soviets got the bomb.



Here, with our backs to the wall, I say the same.



Failure is not an option. The line must be drawn here.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:34 PM (J+mig)

Yeah, and also when Germany bombed Pearl Harbor!

Posted by: John "Bluto" Blutarsky at December 18, 2018 02:13 PM (UsCnO)

333 If the Judge saw exculpatory evidence today he should have thrown the whole thing out. Not a single fucking thing is stopping him from doing it. Either the 302s weren't exculpatory or the judge is corrupt. Either way, we are all tired of the monkey business.

Posted by: John C Calhoun at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (1skAe)

334 272
"I've never sentenced someone for a crime who wasn't guilty... I don't want to start now."



Is that an accurate quote?





Posted by: franksalterego at December 18, 2018 01:47 PM (3cq8T)

Rush Limbaugh said that on his show in the 10 o'clock hour.

Posted by: John at December 18, 2018 02:14 PM (UsCnO)

335 >>>285 Flynn does not have my sympathy. Not anymore. Trump either.

Ditto. Flynn had every chance to fight back and strike a big blow against Mueller's thugs today. He whiffed.

And Trump could also blow this whole thing to smithereens at any time by simply declassifying the documents and showing the whole world the true nature of the scandal to spy on him. He doesn't.

Why the fuck should I give a shit about either of them when they won't fight back with everything they have at their disposal?

Posted by: thirteen28 at December 18, 2018 02:15 PM (GdJ+p)

336 Steven Hays: "Believe it or not, there were reporters in the courtroom. Only a delusional fool - "

Would trust a reporter to accurately inform them.

During the Florida 2000 mess a NYTs reporter interviewed me and wrote me up as 3 separate people all agreeing with each other.

And people like you swallowed it all up.

And my my! What big ears you have Grandma.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:15 PM (6S+Rb)

337
The judge is sending a signal to Flynn - fight the laughable charge, or go to jail, but he's not going to allow Flynn to plead guilty and walk away.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at December 18, 2018 02:04 PM (setIA)


Yeah that's my take away. Judge told Flynn if you're going toplay it safe don't expect me to bail your ass out.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at December 18, 2018 02:17 PM (TAmPV)

338 These people are just itching for war. A real, live war.
They may just get it.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at December 18, 2018 02:17 PM (jWe5r)

339 "323
On the other hand, the parents could throw out the
school board if they were so inclined. So if the school board decided
that they weren't going to make the protection of the kids a priority,
the parents could bring in a school board that was willing to do so.


But I'm guessing that the parents won't.



Posted by: junior at December 18, 2018 01:59 PM (Fp6vo)"...
It goes beyond abstract stuff like school board representation. They are straight up claiming a blanket immunity from the predictable results of their negligence as long as it's someone else who pulls the trigger.
This is about culpability, not administrative priorities; the latter results in hurt feelings. People are dead because multiple organizations and dozens of individuals employed by them consistently failed to do their job.

Posted by: lurker (the other one) at December 18, 2018 02:18 PM (eAshZ)

340 @285:

As for Flynn, I cannot agree for one reason: he briefly solicited defense funds and not many ponied up (this includes me, and although I've got a heart of stone regret it includes me). He literally was bankrupted, asked for a little of the love the actual criminal Andrew McCabe received, and money wasn't raised. I don't know whether it is true or not about his son but if so that only increases how I feel.

Flynn served a nation honorably that turned around and spat on him and used him a political prop. He deserved better.


Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 02:23 PM (iw59Q)

341 People, people, people. Any country lawyer will tell you that leaving your fate in the hands of a jury is a bad idea. Leaving it in the hands of a judge is even worse.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at December 18, 2018 02:28 PM (uCrjJ)

342 @349:

No, I didn't.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at December 18, 2018 02:29 PM (iw59Q)

343 Do they really want to open the whole Treason can of worms? What Hillary did was treasonous. Bill, Gore, and the Chinese? Yeah, I didn't forget that either.

When will they get Karma is a HUGE #@$#@? Biden rule, nuclear option. You really want to go down the treason road?

Posted by: joe dagostino at December 18, 2018 02:30 PM (3w9Fm)

344 "These people are just itching for war. A real, live war.
They may just get it."

Nah. Conservatives won't fire the first shot and the Left knows it. They are coward bullies hiding behind antifa masks yet still they test us with one outrage after the other. Why? Because we've taught them there is no consequence.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:31 PM (6S+Rb)

345 When I read the interpretation in this thread that this judge was somehow speaking to Mueller's team, et al. I was genuinely amazed.
Everything the judge said was to Flynn and about Flynn. The context is crystal clear.

I am old enough to remember the days when even liberal judges would throw just about any case out if there was even "accidental" misconduct in a prosecutor's procedure. The underlying value was to protect liberty and the presumption of actual innocence, even if it means a guilty individual walks free.

Those days are long past. I suppose it became most obvious to me when the signature of a judge was no longer required for a U.S. citizen's phone conversations to listened to by governing authorities.

Posted by: DWC at December 18, 2018 02:35 PM (hqgb1)

346 Sullivan is following the legal maxim of Justitia Blowhard Maxiumus, i.e. a federal Court Judge should not miss the opportunity to exert his/her dictatorial powers in the most obnoxious way possible, particularly prior to having read the facts.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 18, 2018 02:38 PM (koNhm)

347 Stephen Hays: "Okay, see you around March! "

Doubtful. I know your kind all too well.

If I'm wrong, I'll still be here to eat crow.

But if you're wrong, you'll just slither away. You're only here today to goad people as some kind of ego reinforcement. Doesn't even matter what the topic is, you're all about zinging cheap shots to compensate for whatever insecurities are making you feel inferior. For the same reason a bully pushes around a kid half his size.

What has you chasing that dopamine high? Go ahead. Spill it. Maybe we can help you work through it.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:44 PM (6S+Rb)

348 " If the Judge saw exculpatory evidence today he should have thrown the whole thing out. Not a single fucking thing is stopping him from doing it. Either the 302s weren't exculpatory or the judge is corrupt. Either way, we are all tired of the monkey business."

Yes. I am getting whiplash from the various stories floating around.

Posted by: Mike K at December 18, 2018 02:46 PM (s170V)

349 Our country is a fucking joke.

Posted by: Duncan Macleod, The Highlander at December 18, 2018 02:53 PM (trMj1)

350 That Schlichter column is hilarious. Cohen sipping Pruno in the pokey.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at December 18, 2018 03:01 PM (SunNf)

351 Nah. Conservatives won't fire the first shot and the Left knows it. They are coward bullies hiding behind antifa masks yet still they test us with one outrage after the other. Why? Because we've taught them there is no consequence.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at December 18, 2018 02:31 PM (6S+Rb)

Wars are fought by 20 year olds. We are all 29. However, we have a huge amount of economic power and experience. We could become ungovernable, if we get organized.

You saw how scared the left was of the Tea Party.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at December 18, 2018 03:03 PM (SunNf)

352 Any lawyers out there? Question: because Judge Contreras took the guilty plea from Flynn [and then "was" recused], does Sullivan have the authority to strike the guilty plea on his own or does he need to have Flynn make the motion? I don't know if that clarifies anything but is a good question and maybe is a partial explanation of this shitshow.
I am thinking a Judge can refuse to accept a plea, but in this case the plea was already accepted by Contreras, Strozk's dinner buddy, so Sullivan can't refuse to accept it because under law it has already been accepted.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 18, 2018 03:13 PM (hKi6n)

353 Well, it sounds like the Evilcrats put Judge Sullivan's nuts in a nutcracker over the weekend. First he rightly calls out the FBI and Mueller for all kinds of outrageous misconduct, then he loses his shit completely and accuses the innocent Gen. Flynn of Treason?

What in the actual fukk?

Posted by: Beverly at December 18, 2018 05:19 PM (HjlD3)

The Leftwing "Activist" Group That Mobbed and Menaced Florida AG Pam Bondi at a Movie Theater Was Financed by George Soros

The Daily Caller's Peter Hasson is reporting this. I guess he didn't get the memo from the NeverTrumpers now seeking Alternative Funding that it's antisemitic to report on George Soros' funding of the hard left.

But he does fund the hard left, in case actual facts matter any longer.

The left-wing activist group that accosted Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi at a movie theater in June received half a million dollars in 2017 from an organization funded by left-wing billionaire George Soros, documents obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation reveal.

Organize Florida, the group that hounded Bondi from a Florida movie theater, received $500,000 last year from the Open Society Policy Center (OSPC), according to OSPC's most recent tax forms.

OSPC is the advocacy arm of Soros's Open Society Foundations, which the billionaire uses to advance his left-wing worldview around the globe.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 11:59 AM




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1 he gave it to mcsally

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 18, 2018 11:57 AM (0O7c5)

2 ugh

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 18, 2018 11:57 AM (0O7c5)

3 sorry way off topic

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 18, 2018 11:58 AM (0O7c5)

4 Off to lunch, then a routine Doc's appointment. See ya'll later in the day.


OK, I'll probably pop back in while eating lunch at home.

Posted by: Bert G at December 18, 2018 11:59 AM (tOP4K)

5

Is it too much to ask that all of Soro's machinations to destroy my country fail miserably?
And by doing so, damage him irreparably?

Posted by: irongrampa at December 18, 2018 12:01 PM (S/hVx)

6 OT but what the fuck is going on at Flynn's sentencing, he's all like "no, throw the book at me"

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 18, 2018 12:01 PM (7J5t2)

7 it figures

Posted by: concrete girl at December 18, 2018 12:01 PM (LG/rj)

8 Soros still has a warrant out for arrest by the French for insider currency trading.

Trump should hand him over

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:02 PM (HrSJb)

9 Time to lay down the Trump card.

Posted by: MAGA at December 18, 2018 12:02 PM (i3YKa)

10 Arizona is really falling fast. McSally will lose that seat

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:03 PM (HrSJb)

11 Is it too much to ask that all of Soro's machinations to destroy my country fail miserably?
And by doing so, damage him irreparably?
Posted by: irongrampa at December 18, 2018 12:01 PM (S/hVx)

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Apparently so.

Posted by: MAGA at December 18, 2018 12:04 PM (i3YKa)

12 What does Bill Krystal have to say about this?

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 12:04 PM (F4u7C)

13 Trump is Gary Cooper in High Noon. Spineless GOP does not have his back outside of the freedom Caucus

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:04 PM (HrSJb)

14 How much Soros money is Ben Shapiro getting?

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 12:05 PM (F4u7C)

15 Oh, they're employed by Soros? So, does that mean if I kick their asses, or perhaps hit them with my car accidentally when they're blocking a road, or I have a negligent discharge and accidentally shoot one of them who's getting in my face, Soros has to cover them for Workers' Comp?

I'm looking forward to making that coverage very expensive for him.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 18, 2018 12:06 PM (fD23g)

16 How can someone as evil as Soros continue to live a long life? Too many good people I've known have died young.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 12:06 PM (ptqGC)

17 What did Soros do to Singapore that they have him under the death penalty?
I would like to know the facts before we extradite him.

Posted by: Paladin at December 18, 2018 12:06 PM (J5SCt)

18 So does this Soros guy ever go to the movies?, asking for a bunch of friends.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 12:07 PM (r+sAi)

19 The implication of these public mobbings is disturbing. They must both have the victims under surveillance, and have a "Minute Man" group that is a text message away from rushing to the scene. None of these are spontaneous.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 12:07 PM (bwqT/)

20 How much Soros money is Ben Shapiro getting?

Oooh - good question.

Posted by: An Observation at December 18, 2018 12:07 PM (gaa56)

21 Arabs and Pakis are wogs

Posted by: Archer at December 18, 2018 12:07 PM (gmo/4)

22 Didn t Bondi pander to the leftards in the St. Treyvon case?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at December 18, 2018 12:07 PM (d6PIl)

23 17 What did Soros do to Singapore that they have him under the death penalty?
I would like to know the facts before we extradite him.
Posted by: Paladin at December 18, 2018 12:06 PM (J5SCt)


I believe he destroyed their banking system much like took down the English pound in the early 90s.

And being Jewish (by birth anyway) does not exactly endear him to the Malaysians.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 12:08 PM (/9p9e)

24 How can someone as evil as Soros continue to live a long life? Too many good people I've known have died young.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 12:06 PM (ptqGC)


I lost my mentor last week. A Vietnam Vet basically killed by the VA......I'd gladly trade Soros for him.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 12:08 PM (F4u7C)

25 The left-wing activist group that accosted Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi at a movie theater in June received half a million dollars in 2017 from an organization funded by left-wing billionaire George Soros

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Holy shit.


And my Mom told me that being a disrespectful asshole in public doesnt pay.

She....... LIED.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 12:08 PM (8XRCm)

26 I thought AoS style guide was far leftwing George Soros NAZI collaborator.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 18, 2018 12:08 PM (pw+jk)

27 How much Soros money is Ben Shapiro getting?
Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 12:05 PM (F4u7C)

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Maybe some, but I doubt much - I'm thinking most of that charity case's rice bowl gets filled by CoC/Koch/GOPe types who want a fresh, Romulan face to head up the intellectual wing of their politically bankrupt movement as it tries to regain lost ground among younger righties who like Trump.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 12:08 PM (AzW6q)

28 16 How can someone as evil as Soros continue to live a long life? Too many good people I've known have died young.
_________________

Only the good die young.

Didn't I already explain this to you? In song?

Posted by: Billy Joel at December 18, 2018 12:08 PM (fqUgw)

29 I'm offended that Soros hasn't offered me any money. It seems like everyone is in on it but me.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 18, 2018 12:08 PM (xfb67)

30 What did Soros do to Singapore that they have him under the death penalty?

I think he torpedoed their Treasury with currency manipulation. Whatever, the reason isn't all that important, as long as they carry out justice. What form of entertainment will he be executed with?

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 18, 2018 12:08 PM (fD23g)

31 I have been reading "License to Lie" where zealous US Persecutors changed law and made up law, corrupted the courts, tortured innocent men and purchased false testimony in order to bury people because some politicians wanted it done.


OTOH, Soros clearly can be hit with RICO, but he can afford more justice than others so, like CGI and other profoundly corrupt criminal organizations nothing will happen.

Welcome to the Jungle.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 18, 2018 12:09 PM (lD3vL)

32 1 he gave it to mcsally
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 18, 2018 11:57 AM (0O7c5)

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She now can give her concession speech again in a couple of years. Happy losers deserve to lose again and again.

Posted by: William Eaton at December 18, 2018 12:09 PM (MuTTO)

33
Can we send Soros a copy of the Moron Cookbook?

/s

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 12:09 PM (/9p9e)

34 So is Flynn going down? The judge said he sold out his country by being an agent of a foreign govt while NSA

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:09 PM (U7k5w)

35 Only the good die young.

Didn't I already explain this to you? In song?
Posted by: Billy Joel at December 18, 2018 12:08 PM (fqUgw)

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And Catholic girls start much too late.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:09 PM (sX1BW)

36
Didn't I already explain this to you? In song?
Posted by: Billy Joel at December 18, 2018 12:08 PM (fqUgw)

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HEY!!! ASSHOLE!!!!

Posted by: Jim Croce at December 18, 2018 12:09 PM (8XRCm)

37 How can someone as evil as Soros continue to live a long life? Too many good people I've known have died young.

God gives evil people a long life to give them every chance to repent. The good he already knows about and removes them early.

Posted by: An Observation at December 18, 2018 12:10 PM (gaa56)

38 34 So is Flynn going down? The judge said he sold out his country by being an agent of a foreign govt while NSA
Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:09 PM (U7k5w)


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Clinton appointed judge, what did people expect?

Posted by: William Eaton at December 18, 2018 12:10 PM (MuTTO)

39 I lost my mentor last week. A Vietnam Vet basically killed by the VA......I'd gladly trade Soros for him.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 12:08 PM (F4u7C)


I am so sorry. Prayers for him, his family, and friends.

And don't get me started on the VA.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 12:10 PM (ptqGC)

40 What did Soros do to Singapore that they have him under the death penalty?
I would like to know the facts before we extradite him.
Posted by: Paladin at December 18, 2018 12:06 PM (J5SCt)


Bad thing is, his kids are worse. Killing him accomplishes largely nothing.

He should be RICO'd, convicted and put to death.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 12:10 PM (F4u7C)

41
Taking Soros out still leaves his spawn that are just as evil, but younger.

And also, the thing that needs to get done is the seizure of all of his assets.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 12:10 PM (/9p9e)

42 The solution to this is not easy but obvious.
One big, serious, bloody, ass-kicking counter mob.
Then when Antifa regroups and does it again, answer with same.
Recruitment will slack off considerably.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 12:10 PM (0tfLf)

43
*tosses sock in the hamper

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 12:11 PM (8XRCm)

44 So is Flynn going down? The judge said he sold out his country by being an agent of a foreign govt while NSA

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It looks like this judge is daring him to live up to this guilty plea even though he maintains his innocence by telling him such a guilty plea would require a heavy sentence. This is some game theory 3D chess going on.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:11 PM (sX1BW)

45 McSally- a gay female republican? Why is she not touted by the press as the break thru person she is?

Oh... yes.

Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 12:11 PM (XROPS)

46 Hey George, I want to start a mob. Yeah, we're left wing... sure. Send money, thanks.

Posted by: wth at December 18, 2018 12:11 PM (HgMAr)

47 And Catholic girls start much too late.
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Not the ones I knew.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 18, 2018 12:11 PM (fqUgw)

48 So... if multiple instances of mob violence are connected to Soros money, shouldn't the whole operation be RICO'd?

Posted by: Puppeteer Hindmost at December 18, 2018 12:11 PM (gC5Bz)

49 The "Leftwing Activists" methodology is no different than being strong-armed/intimated by the Mafia or KKK.

It would seem that the same conspiracy and cross-state laws used against the KKK and Mafia could be used against Soros.

As well as liability laws.


That this isn't being used by the AG, is why Jeff Seesions is a cowardly, honorless, slimy little blob of blancmange.


Posted by: naturalfake at December 18, 2018 12:12 PM (9X624)

50 >>What did Soros do to Singapore that they have him under the death penalty?
I would like to know the facts before we extradite him.


I'm not concerned.
All cultures being equal and all, I say we arrest and extradite him at our earliest convenience.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 12:12 PM (jFXC2)

51 So Flynn is going down? And what of McCabe, Comey, Strozk, Page.....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 12:12 PM (ptqGC)

52 Emmet Sullivan began as a Reagan appointee

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:12 PM (U7k5w)

53 That's what is known as a hate fact.

Posted by: Someguy at December 18, 2018 12:12 PM (h5Df3)

54 They use "hate crimes" to create fake, moral-equivalence (at best) or at worst to justify "taking to the streets" on the left.

We need to destroy the entire "hate crime" edifice, root and branch, for the fraud-within-a-fraud that it is.

It is not only an entirely subjective category of entirely disparate things (ranging from a perceived insult to serious violence) but then that category of garbage in/garbage out is consciously manipulated by the arbiters of "hate crime" stats (SPLC and large urban/Democrat city governments) to "show" how its favored groups are put upon by the un-favored.

The entire concept of "hate crime" is philosophically indefensible in the first instance, and entirely pernicious in application. In itself it is not the worst of leftist oppression, but as noted, it gives too much cover to the politically-violence that comes, 99.9999% from the left.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 18, 2018 12:12 PM (koNhm)

55 These people are intent on making anti-semitic lose its meaning, like "racist".

Leftists, always at war with logic and language.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at December 18, 2018 12:12 PM (9hauA)

56 I am so sorry. Prayers for him, his family, and friends.

And don't get me started on the VA.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 12:10 PM (ptqGC)


Thanks. I got to see him Friday, he's been in hospitals for the better part of 2 years, for a couple hours. I didn't know it'd be the last time I saw him. He passed an hour or 2 later.

It started 2 years ago when he fell and hit his knee. It took the VA 2 weeks to "discover" he severed the hip joint.

They did surgery and he'd been battling infections and virus' ever since.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 12:13 PM (F4u7C)

57 Trump is Gary Cooper in High Noon. Spineless GOP does not have his back outside of the freedom Caucus

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:04 PM (HrSJb)

I always saw him as Braveheart trying to unite the clans (GOP), showing them how to fight and win a battle, while they are cowering before the English (Dem/media complex) begging for table scraps. But the Cooper reference is apt too.

Posted by: Pine Barrens at December 18, 2018 12:13 PM (oh+79)

58 It looks like this judge is daring him to live up to this guilty plea even though he maintains his innocence by telling him such a guilty plea would require a heavy sentence. This is some game theory 3D chess going on.
_________________

Does Trump have his pardon ready? If I was Trump, I'd pardon everybody -- except that weasel Cohen -- that Mueller extorts a plea from, or gets a guilty verdict on, on the same day they get their sentence.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 18, 2018 12:13 PM (fqUgw)

59 >>And Catholic girls start much too late.


You know how they go.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 12:13 PM (jFXC2)

60 10 Arizona is really falling fast. McSally will lose that seat

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:03 PM (HrSJb)
i can't tell you how disappointing her campaign was.....i have die cut pop up warthog cards she kept sending out. she didn't spend money on ads the only ad's that were put out against sinema were from pacs and the party... kelly ward, God bless her.....was making the case for not electing sinema than mcsally ever did. omG.....i feel a stroke coming on.....she lost to a commie in a pro military state......a commie who wants to close one of our bases!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 18, 2018 12:14 PM (0O7c5)

61 The stock market tanking is directly correlated to the donks taking over the HOR. You will never see that in the media. Same thing happened last time the donks got power and it became obvious that Preezy Shit Midas was going to win.

A direct correlation.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 18, 2018 12:14 PM (pw+jk)

62 How can someone as evil as Soros continue to live a long life? Too many good people I've known have died young.
The way it was explained to me is, the good die young so they don't get a chance to be corrupted. The bad live a long life, to give them a chance to repent. I think it was in a song or something.

Posted by: Paladin at December 18, 2018 12:14 PM (J5SCt)

63
Thanks. I got to see him Friday, he's been in
hospitals for the better part of 2 years, for a couple hours. I didn't
know it'd be the last time I saw him. He passed an hour or 2 later.



It started 2 years ago when he fell and hit his knee. It took the VA 2 weeks to "discover" he severed the hip joint.



They did surgery and he'd been battling infections and virus' ever since.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 12:13 PM (F4u7C)


Good grief. A leader in our son's campus veterans group had hip replacement surgery by the VA. Had to have it totally re-done a couple of months later.


Every time a liberal tells me we need single payer, gubmint run healthcare, I point to the VA. They don't get it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 12:14 PM (ptqGC)

64 I get the sense that Judge Sullivan is not going to allow either the prosecution or defense play these games in his courtroom - where you plead guilty to a crime you don't think you committed hoping for a light sentence.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:15 PM (sX1BW)

65 Judge Sullivan seems to be smashing Flynn in the face.

He is not going to be sentenced today it seems.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 12:15 PM (qxq6t)

66 (((sponge)))

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 18, 2018 12:15 PM (0O7c5)

67 64: The "have you considered treason" was a shock.

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:16 PM (U7k5w)

68 Every time a liberal tells me we need single payer, gubmint run healthcare, I point to the VA. They don't get it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 12:14 PM (ptqGC)


It is a HUGE embarrassment for America. THIS is how we treat our heroes. It's pathetic and unacceptable.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 12:16 PM (F4u7C)

69 I'm starting to lose my sympathy for Flynn.


Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 12:16 PM (qxq6t)

70 (((sponge)))
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 18, 2018 12:15 PM (0O7c5)


Thanks.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 12:16 PM (F4u7C)

71 64: The "have you considered treason" was a shock.

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Yes, if the prosecution is serious about the crime they are alleging then why was this not considered.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:16 PM (sX1BW)

72 I'm thinking most of that charity case's rice bowl gets filled by CoC/Koch/GOPe types who want a fresh, Romulan face to head up the intellectual wing of their politically bankrupt movement as it tries to regain lost ground among younger righties who like Trump.

Shapiro traffics in "FACTS & LOGIC" which is a communication form unknown to his alleged audience. All they hear is noise so they tune him out.

In reality, the target audience is YOU.

So tune him out.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at December 18, 2018 12:17 PM (lD3vL)

73
Soros betrayed his people, wrong very powerful individuals and swindled several nation states.

Im somewaht surprised the man still draws breath.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 12:17 PM (8XRCm)

74 65: Perhaps it's a slap at the idea that you can lobby hard for foreigners and then "serve your country" and then go back to lobbyist. IMO Obama was serving as a foreign agent for Iran with his pallets of cash. Bet Sullivan would kiss Obama's ass

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:18 PM (U7k5w)

75 Judge Sullivan seems to be smashing Flynn in the face.

He is not going to be sentenced today it seems.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 12:15 PM (qxq6t)

I don't know if ethically a judge can accept a guilty plea if the person simultaneously claims to be not guilty.

Its been a long time since crim law.

Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 12:18 PM (XROPS)

76 I love it when Ace goes on a rant - especially when engaged in diverting from Michael Flynn prostrating himself before a federal court judge and confessing to being a total stooge sell-out nitwit borderline traitor.

Posted by: Space Ace at December 18, 2018 12:18 PM (x+yK4)

77 You know how they go.
Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 12:13 PM (jFXC2)


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To the CYO....

With their tiny little mustache.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 12:19 PM (8XRCm)

78 64 I get the sense that Judge Sullivan is not going to allow either the prosecution or defense play these games in his courtroom - where you plead guilty to a crime you don't think you committed hoping for a light sentence.
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:15 PM (sX1BW)

And yet, this is exactly how most Federal Court cases are done.

EXACTLY.

97% of Fed cases are pled out.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 12:19 PM (NgKpN)

79 I've been watching "Aquarius" on Netflix, starring David Duchovny.
It is basically a cop show with a main Charlie Manson storyline pre-Tate murders, with all the attendant stuff going on in 1967 (Vietnam, Black Panthers, general racism, dirty hippies, L.A. (lol), closeted homos, etc. etc.).
Anyway, it struck me that this leftist bullshit (activism, violence, division) is nothing new. It's still messed up, just like 1967, I guess.



Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 18, 2018 12:19 PM (8iiMU)

80 I don't know if ethically a judge can accept a guilty plea if the person simultaneously claims to be not guilty.

Its been a long time since crim law.

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My impression is Judge Sullivan is calling this out for the farce that it is.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:19 PM (sX1BW)

81 Bad thing is, his kids are worse. Killing him accomplishes largely nothing.

He should be RICO'd, convicted and put to death.
Posted by: Sponge


I don't know. If he was taken out for reason and in no uncertain terms, they might change.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 12:19 PM (xzezz)

82 The "have you considered treason" was a shock.

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Yes, if the prosecution is serious about the crime they are alleging then why was this not considered.
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:16 PM (sX1BW)

Hmmm. It would be good to hear the tone in which that was said.

Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 12:19 PM (XROPS)

83 Not sure if any of you are watching coverage of the Flynn sentencing.. but this whole thing doesn't make a lot of sense.

It turns out that from the documents released, Flynn knew that the FBI had recordings of his calls with the Russians. But he decided he would lie anyway?

Flynn tells them: You guys probably already have this.. meaning, he knew Russians would be under constant surveillance by the FBI.. including phone calls..

So, why would he lie?

Now, the judge asks him if he thought he was trapped, Flynn says no. And he reaffirms his guilty plea.

It kinda sounds like the judge is not sure why he should give Flynn zero jail time.. like he is being conned?

makes not a lot of sense..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 12:20 PM (so+oy)

84 @74

Everybody and their mother are lobbying for foreign governemts.


Hillary Clinton and her syphalltic husband were selling out the West Wing to the highest bidder.


This Sullivan cat is a real piece of work.


And I now see Flynn as a dick wad for this manuevering.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 12:20 PM (qxq6t)

85 Posted by: Space Ace at December 18, 2018 12:18 PM (x+yK4)


Shut up, Dunce.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 12:20 PM (bwqT/)

86 Wait, is lobbying for a foreign power part of the court case? Is it even under this courts purview at this point as he was NOT charged with that?

What the Hell?

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 12:21 PM (NgKpN)

87 Wow, Judge Sullivan pretty much called Gen Flynn a traitor. Not good.

Posted by: Ever at December 18, 2018 12:21 PM (1Zh0U)

88 The solution to this is not easy but obvious.
One big, serious, bloody, ass-kicking counter mob.
Then when Antifa regroups and does it again, answer with same.
Recruitment will slack off considerably.


Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 12:10 PM (0tfLf)

IDK, the proud boys have essentially been doing that, and it hasn't appeared to faze the antifa idiots.

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 12:21 PM (8D42x)

89

Nice anti-Jew dog whistle, Ace.

I'm sure all the dogs heard it.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at December 18, 2018 12:21 PM (kyzbF)

90 87: Our government of full of traitors looking for foreign money.

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:22 PM (U7k5w)

91 The "have you considered treason" was a shock.

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Yes, if the prosecution is serious about the crime they are alleging then why was this not considered.
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:16 PM (sX1BW)

Hmmm. It would be good to hear the tone in which that was said.

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Yes, I don't know much about it, and I am just speculating. But he seems to be calling out both sides.

Prosecution - why didn't you charge this considering the seriousness of the crime alleged. And why are we doing this now if he is still a cooperating witness.

Defense - why are you pleading guilty when you maintain your innocence. The punishment for this should be severe. I am not going to go lenient on you.

Who wants to blink first?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:22 PM (sX1BW)

92 makes not a lot of sense..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 12:20 PM (so+oy)


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To what lengths would you go to protect your family.???

Would you plead guilty to something if it meant some asshole like Meuller not ripping your sons family to shreds???

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 12:22 PM (8XRCm)

93 @87

Yep.


I know see Flynn as a bad guy.


He may have been caught up, but now he's playing ball with Satan.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 12:22 PM (qxq6t)

94 Soros betrayed his people, wrong very powerful individuals and swindled several nation states.

Im somewaht surprised the man still draws breath.
Posted by: fixerupper


I can't believe Mossad hasn't taken him out.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 12:22 PM (xzezz)

95 Wow, Judge Sullivan pretty much called Gen Flynn a traitor. Not good.
Posted by: Ever at December 18, 2018 12:21 PM (1Zh0U)

Said sarcastically or not?

Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 12:22 PM (XROPS)

96

Posted by: Space Ace at December 18, 2018 12:18 PM (x+yK4)

Fuck you, Cuck.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at December 18, 2018 12:23 PM (kyzbF)

97 Fuck WH says it can "work" with Congress to avoid a shut down and will work on "other" means to get border funding... Damn

Posted by: It's me donna at December 18, 2018 12:23 PM (O2RFr)

98 >>It turns out that from the documents released, Flynn knew that the FBI had recordings of his calls with the Russians. But he decided he would lie anyway?


The Law states that he would not be identified as the 'American' in those conversations.

This is the reason why the Un-Maskings are a Big Fucking Deal.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 12:23 PM (jFXC2)

99 Reminder: Space Ace sucks cocks by choice.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 18, 2018 12:23 PM (GEpFD)

100 93 @87

Yep.


I know see Flynn as a bad guy.


He may have been caught up, but now he's playing ball with Satan.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 18, 2018 12:22 PM (qxq6t)

Or there is still a credible threat against his Son, as has been alleged?

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 12:23 PM (NgKpN)

101 >>Said sarcastically or not?

Doesn't sound very sarcastic.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 12:23 PM (/tuJf)

102 BSG back under another name?

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 12:24 PM (qC1Sy)

103 I know see Flynn as a bad guy.


He may have been caught up, but now he's playing ball with Satan.

And Mueller's Gestapo admits Flynn is still "cooperating" with them..

Posted by: It's me donna at December 18, 2018 12:24 PM (O2RFr)

104 If Flynn is falling on his sword, the judge is going to make him fall hard.

But I get the sense that the judge will start attacking the government if Flynn decides he doesn't want to fall on his sword.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:24 PM (sX1BW)

105 63 Every time a liberal tells me we need single payer, gubmint run healthcare, I point to the VA. They don't get it.

interesting that they advocate "medicare for all", but not "va for all".

Posted by: Anachronda at December 18, 2018 12:24 PM (NmR1a)

106 BSG back under another name?


All trolls are Average Joe.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 12:24 PM (bwqT/)

107

Dafuq????!!!

Posted by: Brownshirts at December 18, 2018 12:24 PM (ymnmz)

108 So Flynn is going down? And what of McCabe, Comey, Strozk, Page.....
All going down on each other, with a pound of blow and Remy Martin.

Posted by: Paladin at December 18, 2018 12:25 PM (J5SCt)

109 Every time a liberal tells me we need single payer, gubmint run healthcare, I point to the VA. They don't get it.

***

Add that to the extensive list of things they "don't get."

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 18, 2018 12:25 PM (GEpFD)

110 100: This is just another reason to voice disgust at the Stealthjeff crew that said Flynn was manipulating and entrapping Mueller. These people are creating fiction while ignoring facts

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:25 PM (U7k5w)

111 "If I had sucked the sword of that murderer a little earlier, that might be my half-million dollars in a basket." -- Cap'n Biff Kristol

Posted by: ShainS - #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 18, 2018 12:25 PM (WqPYg)

112 Ivan Pentchoukov @IvanPentchoukov
2m
Replying to @NettaWill2
Having read the 302 and compared it to the indictment, it appears Flynn told the agents (Strzok and Pientka) that he could not recall the details of the calls, rather than actually lying about the substance. This applies to 3 of the 4 accusations in the indictment.

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:25 PM (BqBId)

113 The solution to this is not easy but obvious.
One big, serious, bloody, ass-kicking counter mob.
Then when Antifa regroups and does it again, answer with same.
Recruitment will slack off considerably.


Posted by: Diogenes at December 18, 2018 12:10 PM (0tfLf)

IDK, the proud boys have essentially been doing that, and it hasn't appeared to faze the antifa idiots.
Posted by: SturmToddler


I laugh. THAT'S the best name you could come up with? Proud Boys?

Re; fazing pantyfa?
What's the Proud Children's body count?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 12:25 PM (xzezz)

114 McSally?

Shit. The entire GOP is a clear counter-argument to natural selection. And organism which is adapted to do nothing but die, yet lives on.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 18, 2018 12:26 PM (VaN/j)

115 It turns out that from the documents released, Flynn knew that the FBI had recordings of his calls with the Russians. But he decided he would lie anyway?


The Law states that he would not be identified as the 'American' in those conversations.

This is the reason why the Un-Maskings are a Big Fucking Deal.
Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 12:23 PM (jFXC2)

From what I read, he said he assumed they had recordings; that was said somewhat lightheartedly but to me would militate strongly against a claim of lying.

What moron (lower case) would intentionally lie about a taped conversation the other side had?

And is there something to the claim that the Strozk etc were not cleared to hear the details, so Flynn did not go into them.

Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 12:26 PM (XROPS)

116 To what lengths would you go to protect your family.???

Would you plead guilty to something if it meant some asshole like Meuller not ripping your sons family to shreds???
Posted by: fixerupper

..............

of course I would.. I understand Flynn's motivations.. what I don't see is all the crap behind this charade..

What is it that Flynn did so bad that Mueller is willing to ignore in exchange for this plea?

Foreign agent? Was he still a foreign agent while in the White House???

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 12:26 PM (so+oy)

117 Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:25 PM (U7k5w)
====
2nd Of the 3 Stooges heard from, Think UnderFire was Ban Hammered though

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:26 PM (BqBId)

118 #89:
Nice anti-Jew dog whistle, Ace.
I'm sure all the dogs heard it.


I read this, and thought: whut? Troll!
Looked at the nic: no, 'tis Moron Soothsayer‽ Hm.
Scratched head, went back to look at post.
Oh, yeah.
Soros. The Semite.
Right.

Ha + Ha!

Posted by: mindful webworker - 4 Days 'til Solstice at December 18, 2018 12:27 PM (cR+fB)

119 Trump should pardon Flynn, but Flynn was an idiot for rolling over so quickly. I don't care about the whole "his son was being threatened" meme.

Trump's son is threatened like every single day.

Had Flynn fought Mueller, I don't think Mueller would have ever gotten off the ground.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 12:27 PM (UfkIY)

120 Where's the RICO action and campaign finance violations for Soros?

You can't blame Sessions, he's gone.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 18, 2018 12:27 PM (VpIIl)

121 ...Soros's Open Society Foundations

Well, that word set off alarms in my head. How ripe is the Soros network for investigation? I mean, if anybody is still living after investigating the Clinton crime network.

Posted by: t-bird at December 18, 2018 12:28 PM (Y9zp1)

122 Replying to @NettaWill2
Having read the 302 and compared it to the indictment, it appears Flynn told the agents (Strzok and Pientka) that he could not recall the details of the calls, rather than actually lying about the substance. This applies to 3 of the 4 accusations in the indictment.
Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:25 PM (BqBId)

And there we go.

Comey - falsely testifies under oath that he can't recall 1000000s of times.
Flynn- does not recall details on one call- JAIL!!!!

Posted by: LASue at December 18, 2018 12:28 PM (XROPS)

123 >>Trump's son is threatened like every single day.

Trump's son is the son of a billionaire who can afford to pay lawyer until the end of time. Flynn's son is not.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 12:28 PM (/tuJf)

124 Sara A. Carter @SaraCarterDC
10s
Judge Sullivan said "Points raised by Mr. Flynn in sentencing memorandum concerns the court." At first glance, Sullivan appears frustrated by the information revealed in the sentencing memorandum.

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:28 PM (BqBId)

125 Hey fappers. Crazy busy day today.

This is one of those scenarios where I would love to see asset forfeiture applied vigorously and with the most expansive reading possible. However, I don't think there's anyone in a position to do so with the requisite testicular fortitude.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 18, 2018 12:28 PM (NWiLs)

126 Every time a liberal tells me we need single payer, gubmint run healthcare, I point to the VA. They don't get it.

interesting that they advocate "medicare for all", but not "va for all".
Posted by: Anachronda


They think that everyone will get a gold plated Cadillac plan.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 12:29 PM (xzezz)

127 Crap. Is Flynn going down?

Posted by: redridinghood at December 18, 2018 12:29 PM (hECVl)

128 They think that everyone will get a gold plated Cadillac plan.

***

No, they just think *they* will.

Posted by: CLINT FLICKER at December 18, 2018 12:29 PM (GEpFD)

129

I don't give a shit about Flynn's son, who is obviously a little dirty.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at December 18, 2018 12:29 PM (kyzbF)

130 125: But if the government takes Soros' cash, the "public servants" can't scarf it at the trough so it will never happen.

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:30 PM (U7k5w)

131 Hey, George! If it wouldn't be too much trouble, would you mind giving The Bulwark some upgrades, it's getting rather cramped in here?

🚣

Posted by: Kaptain Kristol at December 18, 2018 12:30 PM (tp5vm)

132 >>What moron (lower case) would intentionally lie about a taped conversation the other side had?

First - I think Flynn is kind of an idiot.

Second - He should have known that the tapes would not identify him specifically as Gen. M. Flynn - but only as an American talking to the Russian.
The Rules were very simple, here. In the absence of a Warrant, the American should NOT have been identified.

The Obama Administration had to violate the Law and the entire concept of Ethics in order to allow its' minions to OUT the identity of the American in the conversation.

So. He 'Lied'. But in a way that should have been illegal to PROVE.

Posted by: garrett at December 18, 2018 12:30 PM (jFXC2)

133 getting to the (criminal?) activities of Mueller and company (framing Trump, changing 302s to get leverage and "force" fake testimony to the Mueller narrative) ... it would be easier to get Mueller if a guy like Flynn didn't give in to Mueller, and admit to the fake crime to protect himself.

Corsi supposedly did not yield and is suing Mueller, but maybe Corsi has other skeletons in his closet that Mueller with unlimited state power ... can find (though witch hunt power is not "legal", it is not stopped).

And maybe Flynn has other skeletons we don't know about (besides threats to persecute his family), so (a secret) part of his plea was to agree to claim he did not feel coerced by Mueller's mob tactics. It is all shadowy mobster crap ... maybe this judge smells that, but can't pry open the vault with the deepest secrets? idk

Posted by: illiniwek at December 18, 2018 12:30 PM (Cus5s)

134 well, yeah, I always thought Flynn should've demanded a speedy trial but 9th dimensional chess or he's guilty of some dirty shizz he was hiding

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 18, 2018 12:30 PM (7J5t2)

135 Where's the RICO action and campaign finance violations for Soros?

You can't blame Sessions, he's gone.
Posted by: Marcus T


Yeah I can. He had almost two years to shit or get off the pot.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 12:31 PM (xzezz)

136
Every time a liberal tells me we need single payer, gubmint run healthcare, I point to the VA. They don't get it.

interesting that they advocate "medicare for all", but not "va for all".
Posted by: Anachronda


We'll get the "right people" to run it this time!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 18, 2018 12:31 PM (aKsyK)

137 I think the Judge is frustrated because this whole thing makes no sense.

Flynn is rolling over, for no 'apparent' reason.

Judge is trying to get a rise out of him, so he can find out WHY Flynn is rolling.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 12:31 PM (NgKpN)

138 libertyandjusticeforall
@Mark923to25
It's all about the NDA (non disclosure agreement) in place folks; @GenFlynn can never offer testimony of deep state crimes to Huber or other Special Counsel with that NDA in place; If charges are dismissed, he has no legal basis to get around NDA to testify as to crimes

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:32 PM (BqBId)

139 I'm here just in time to don my Tuesday mid-day shocked face.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 18, 2018 12:32 PM (Tyii7)

140 Deep State McSally appointed to the Senate

Deep State Judge sides with Dirty Cop Mueller

another Shitty Day. good Riddance 2018

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:32 PM (HrSJb)

141 135: Absolutely, and it seems like he sat on the pot and abdicated the entire DOJ to Roddy

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:32 PM (U7k5w)

142 Trump's son is the son of a billionaire who can afford to pay lawyer until the end of time. Flynn's son is not.
Posted by: JackStraw

____________

I wouldn't let my dad basically be disgraced like that for my benefit. Just sayin.

But these guys were willing to sell Trump down the river to save on their legal fees.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 12:33 PM (UfkIY)

143 I'm here just in time to don my Tuesday mid-day shocked face.

It is Rapey Tuesday, after all.

Posted by: tradition! at December 18, 2018 12:33 PM (sZRzw)

144 >>I wouldn't let my dad basically be disgraced like that for my benefit. Just sayin.

If your dad is anything like mine, you wouldn't be given the choice.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 12:33 PM (/tuJf)

145 127 Crap. Is Flynn going down?

Posted by: redridinghood at December 18, 2018 12:29 PM (hECVl)

== == == ==
It seems so; the judge doesn't like that he's pleaing guilty to something while maintaining his innocence. It seems like the 302s back him up. Sullivan strikes me as the type that hates it when people play games in his courtroom. So if Flynn wants to martyr himself, the Judge is gonna give it to him good and hard.

Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:33 PM (Mq6Af)

146 I'm here just in time to don my Tuesday mid-day shocked face.


Well, it's Rapey Tuesday. The shock shouldn't be too hard to feign.

Posted by: The Dolphin at December 18, 2018 12:34 PM (fuK7c)

147 All the legal experts on Hannity, are always wrong, as they always underestimate the scum in D.C

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:34 PM (HrSJb)

148 Flynn is playing this like a guy that sure as shit got caught red-handed at "something".

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 12:34 PM (axaxF)

149 "Shit. The entire GOP is a clear counter-argument to natural selection. And organism which is adapted to do nothing but die, yet lives on.

Posted by: Eeyore, fomerly George LeS at December 18, 2018 12:26 PM (VaN/j) "



On life support; endless transfusions of leftist cash, apparently.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 18, 2018 12:35 PM (mfOi4)

150 147 All the legal experts on Hannity, are always wrong, as they always underestimate the scum in D.C
Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:34 PM (HrSJb)

So many of them are "experts" the way Amy Schumer is a "comedian."

Posted by: Insomniac at December 18, 2018 12:35 PM (NWiLs)

151 well, I guess none of us bothered to ask flynn what he was up to

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 18, 2018 12:35 PM (7J5t2)

152 What moron (lower case) would intentionally lie about a taped conversation the other side had?

_________

I would argue he didn't lie.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 12:35 PM (UfkIY)

153 97 Fuck WH says it can "work" with Congress to avoid a shut down and will work on "other" means to get border funding... Damn
Posted by: It's me donna at December 18, 2018 12:23 PM (O2RFr)


Blink!

Posted by: Trump at December 18, 2018 12:35 PM (CQ3Qb)

154 I think the Judge is frustrated because this whole thing makes no sense.

Flynn is rolling over, for no 'apparent' reason.

Judge is trying to get a rise out of him, so he can find out WHY Flynn is rolling.

------------

Our criminal justice system would be better if more judges asked these questions.

Why are you pleading guilty if you maintain your innoncence.

Why are you charging this minor crime if the facts allege a much more serious crime.

And we all know the real answers to those questions.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:35 PM (sX1BW)

155 145 127 Crap. Is Flynn going down?

Posted by: redridinghood at December 18, 2018 12:29 PM (hECVl)

== == == ==
It seems so; the judge doesn't like that he's pleaing guilty to something while maintaining his innocence. It seems like the 302s back him up. Sullivan strikes me as the type that hates it when people play games in his courtroom. So if Flynn wants to martyr himself, the Judge is gonna give it to him good and hard.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:33 PM (Mq6Af)


I think Flynn is fearing that Mueller is going to nail him again if he doesn't swallow the sentence.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 12:36 PM (/9p9e)

156 35 Only the good die young.

Didn't I already explain this to you? In song?
Posted by: Billy Joel at December 18, 2018 12:08 PM (fqUgw)

--------

And Catholic girls start much too late.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018

*
*
In my personal experience, they make up for lost time, and quickly.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 18, 2018 12:36 PM (PFlOK)

157 Don't plea agreements have to be in writing?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 12:36 PM (bwqT/)

158
Remember in the Godfather saga when they drug that witnesses Dad all the way from Sicily to get the witness to recant???

Its the same..... except Meullers doing the threatening.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 12:36 PM (8XRCm)

159
And Catholic girls start much too late


Mrs. Krebs, a lapsed Catholic, was reading from the Catechism to me some time back (the book had been owned by an uncle or grandparent).

The question posed to me was, "What makes a good Catholic wedding?"

My spontaneous answer, "The bride is three months pregnant, but not yet 'showing'," earned me a sharp poke in the ribs.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 18, 2018 12:36 PM (pNxlR)

160 Sullivan strikes me as the type that hates it when people play games in his courtroom. So if Flynn wants to martyr himself, the Judge is gonna give it to him good and hard.
Posted by: Jackal

__________

What's most important is that an ego maniac judge gets to assert himself, not that deep state political hit job is being orchestrated right under his nose.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 12:36 PM (UfkIY)

161 Right on Don Q

Posted by: Max Power at December 18, 2018 12:37 PM (llxrS)

162 Fuck WH says it can "work" with Congress to avoid a shut down and will work on "other" means to get border funding... Damn
Posted by: It's me donna


From the guy who has screwed Congress and the dems every time?

He hasn't lost yet. Give him some credit.

Sounds like "Art of the Deal" goings on.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 12:37 PM (xzezz)

163 So frickin pathetic. Not one dirty Democrat ever goes down with 8 years of Obama and two years of a Hillary Campaign.

and the GOP Senate does squat

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:37 PM (HrSJb)

164
Remember in the Godfather saga when they drug that witnesses Dad all the way from Sicily to get the witness to recant???


He was Frankie Five Angels brother, not his father.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 18, 2018 12:37 PM (pNxlR)

165 It seems so; the judge doesn't like that he's pleaing guilty to something while maintaining his innocence. It seems like the 302s back him up. Sullivan strikes me as the type that hates it when people play games in his courtroom. So if Flynn wants to martyr himself, the Judge is gonna give it to him good and hard.

------------

Flynn playing the game like he was getting a typical judge who just went along with the charade.

Isn't Sullivan a new judge in this matter? What happened to the old one?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:37 PM (sX1BW)

166 It seems so; the judge doesn't like that he's pleaing guilty to something while maintaining his innocence. It seems like the 302s back him up. Sullivan strikes me as the type that hates it when people play games in his courtroom. So if Flynn wants to martyr himself, the Judge is gonna give it to him good and hard.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:33 PM (Mq6Af)

---------------

I'm thinking Flynn really wants a directed verdict of not guilty from Judge Sullivan. That way he held up his plea bargain agreement, and Mewler can only blame himself for having a shitty case.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 12:38 PM (ffYR/)

167 Sullivan asked Flynn if he wanted to withdraw the plea, Flynn said no

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:38 PM (U7k5w)

168 155 145 127 Crap. Is Flynn going down?

Posted by: redridinghood at December 18, 2018 12:29 PM (hECVl)

== == == ==
It seems so; the judge doesn't like that he's pleaing guilty to something while maintaining his innocence. It seems like the 302s back him up. Sullivan strikes me as the type that hates it when people play games in his courtroom. So if Flynn wants to martyr himself, the Judge is gonna give it to him good and hard.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:33 PM (Mq6Af)


I think Flynn is fearing that Mueller is going to nail him again if he doesn't swallow the sentence.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 12:36 PM (/9p9e)

== == == ==
I'm starting to wonder if there's other dirt Muller has on him. I agree with one of the commenter's upthread on this.

Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:38 PM (Mq6Af)

169 If Flynn wants to plead guilty, that's fine with me.

Democrats see that as a win. I don't see it as a loss because I never voted for Flynn.

Flynn can stick his tongue in an electrical socket too and it won't change the fact that Donald Trump is president and Robert Mueller is a crooked cop.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 18, 2018 12:38 PM (H7LIz)

170 We're never getting a wall.

Paul Ryan made sure of that. That was our chance.

Trump should have called for a new Speaker after his election.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 12:38 PM (UfkIY)

171 Well, as part of any guilty plea, a federal district judge asks a litany of questions before accepting the plea, including something like "and are you pleading guilty because you are guilty?" Maintaining your innocence (even if you think you are in your own heart/mind) is pretty much antithetical to pleading guilty. So it's no wonder the judge is bothered.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 18, 2018 12:38 PM (zO1cf)

172 I laugh. THAT'S the best name you could come up with? Proud Boys?

Re; fazing pantyfa?
What's the Proud Children's body count?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 12:25 PM (xzezz)

I didn't come up with the name, so don't shoot the messenger.

but based on some of the videos out of Portland, they've managed to rack up some pretty interesting battles. some of which have been recounted on here. you should try reading the content once in a while...

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 12:38 PM (8D42x)

173 He was Frankie Five Angels brother, not his father.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 18, 2018 12:37 PM (pNxlR)

------

I stand corrected.

Point still stands too.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 12:39 PM (8XRCm)

174 What's most important is that an ego maniac judge gets to assert himself, not that deep state political hit job is being orchestrated right under his nose.

----------

I see if differently than you. Flynn has agency.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:39 PM (sX1BW)

175 We need a 3rd party that protects its own.

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:39 PM (HrSJb)

176 164
Remember in the Godfather saga when they drug that witnesses Dad all the way from Sicily to get the witness to recant???

He was Frankie Five Angels brother, not his father.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 18, 2018 12:37 PM (pNxlR)


Partinico. Outside of Palermo. A two-mule town...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 12:39 PM (/9p9e)

177 Here's something spooky:

Soros spelled backwards is...Soros.

(Cue theremin sound-effects.)

Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2018 12:40 PM (c+2jX)

178

The walts are closing in on Trump.

Posted by: Walt Disney and Walt Whitman at December 18, 2018 12:40 PM (kyzbF)

179 Judge Sullivan is a political hack, no matter what Roberts says. He might have been a good judge in the Senator Stevens trial, but he is full-on NT in this one. Flynn screwed up w the Turkish lobbying, but it was a long way from "treason". And, if Sullivan wants Flynn hit w Logan Act charges, how about Kerry being first in line for that.

Posted by: Ever at December 18, 2018 12:40 PM (1Zh0U)

180 "I think Flynn is fearing that Mueller is going to nail him again if he doesn't swallow the sentence.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 18, 2018 12:36 PM (/9p9e) "



I wish he'd just stand up and say so, then.
He's up in front of one of the few judges who might actually take him seriously and do something about it.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 18, 2018 12:40 PM (mfOi4)

181 I was always more surprised that the Feds flipped Willie Cicci than Frank Pentangeli.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 18, 2018 12:41 PM (bwqT/)

182 Steven Portnoy
@stevenportnoy
Sullivan begins by BACKTRACKING on his remarks that Flynn was an unregistered foreign agent while working in the White House, and that he may have committed treason.

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:41 PM (BqBId)

183 Lets go with something simple ... is Flynn scared Mueller will have him Whitey Bulgered in prison ?

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 12:42 PM (axaxF)

184 166 It seems so; the judge doesn't like that he's pleaing guilty to something while maintaining his innocence. It seems like the 302s back him up. Sullivan strikes me as the type that hates it when people play games in his courtroom. So if Flynn wants to martyr himself, the Judge is gonna give it to him good and hard.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:33 PM (Mq6Af)

---------------

I'm thinking Flynn really wants a directed verdict of not guilty from Judge Sullivan. That way he held up his plea bargain agreement, and Mewler can only blame himself for having a shitty case.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 12:38 PM (ffYR/)

== == == == ==
And Sullivan's basically saying "If you perist in pleaing guilty when I have 302s here saying you're not, I'm not giving it to you and I'm gonna give you the max sentence for being a dumbass." This hurts Muller as well, because it says a plea agreement with him isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:42 PM (Mq6Af)

185 I laugh. THAT'S the best name you could come up with? Proud Boys?

Re; fazing pantyfa?
What's the Proud Children's body count?
Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 12:25 PM (xzezz)


You should go watch Gavin McInnes's explanation as to why he called it that.

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 12:42 PM (F4u7C)

186 Consider this:

Flynn has been put through the wringer and knows he's not guilty, but, is pleading out, because he's completely worn out and knows that if he recants, Mueller will come back at him again. Flynn just isn't up to dealing with being investigated from now to eternity and wants it to stop.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 12:42 PM (qC1Sy)

187 Isn't Sullivan a new judge in this matter? What happened to the old one?
Posted by: SH


Recused himself because he was guilty as hell in the charade.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 12:42 PM (xzezz)

188 And Sullivan's basically saying "If you perist in pleaing guilty when I have 302s here saying you're not, I'm not giving it to you and I'm gonna give you the max sentence for being a dumbass." This hurts Muller as well, because it says a plea agreement with him isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

---------

That's my reading of it.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:43 PM (sX1BW)

189 We don't need a third party, we need a second. It's the Derp State vs. The People.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 12:43 PM (J+mig)

190 Actual headline:

Man deported in 2014 shoots dead California gas station attendant, shoots two more strangers, robs convenience store, carjacks a truck, and then leads cops on 100mph high-speed chase before killing himself in wrong-way crash.

https://tinyurl.com/yc3wvfjh

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 18, 2018 12:43 PM (hjaPQ)

191

Politics is a bloodsport. And we're just not up to it.

Posted by: Walt Disney and Walt Whitman at December 18, 2018 12:43 PM (kyzbF)

192 van Pentchoukov @IvanPentchoukov
2m
Judge says that he made a statement about Flynn being a foreign agent and that the special counsel asked for that to be corrected. Judge says he was not suggesting that Flynn committed treason or other violations.


@IvanPentchoukov
Judge says the special counsel has no reason to believe defendant committed treason ... after speaking with him in 19 interviews.

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:43 PM (BqBId)

193 Can you imagine Gen Flynn in a real war? He would be showing off his HQ to the reporters and then surrendering when the enemy was in view. This is the result of Bush/Obama military spending. Putin loves this crap.

Posted by: torabora at December 18, 2018 12:43 PM (l4NG+)

194 Hmm. Wonder if the recess was for private communications?

If Flynn out and out said what was up, I'm sure Mueller would pull the trigger on him.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 18, 2018 12:43 PM (AM1GF)

195 Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2018 12:40 PM (c+2jX)

And in morse code? His name is one dash away from being a repeating SOS call.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 12:44 PM (NgKpN)

196 @IvanPentchoukov
3m3 minutes ago
More
Judge says ...he was just asking a question [about treason] not suggesting Flynn committed it.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 12:44 PM (/tuJf)

197 @IvanPentchoukov
Judge says the special counsel has no reason to believe defendant committed treason ... after speaking with him in 19 interviews.

-----------

It seemed like that comment was more directed at the prosecution than Flynn.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:44 PM (sX1BW)

198 Consider this:

Flynn has been put through the wringer and knows he's not guilty,
but, is pleading out, because he's completely worn out and knows that if
he recants, Mueller will come back at him again. Flynn just isn't up to
dealing with being investigated from now to eternity and wants it to
stop.

Posted by: Blake - tis the season for grinching at December 18, 2018 12:42 PM (qC1Sy)


He's lost his home, his life is in shambles, and liberals get to do what they love to do most in life: call a 33-year service military veteran a traitor and worse.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 12:44 PM (ptqGC)

199 *pauses and ponders*

According the Left and a few useful idiots Soros is Jewish.

Soros is filthy rich and trying to change the world to suit his whims.

So isn't Soros everything in the Protocols that the Left is afraid of?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 12:44 PM (trpsZ)

200 The walts are closing in on Trump.

Posted by: Walt Disney and Walt Whitman at December 18, 2018 12:40 PM (kyzbF)
.........

The waltz are closing in on Trump.

Posted by: zombie Johann Strauss at December 18, 2018 12:45 PM (HgMAr)

201 Maybe Flynn thinks there's less odds of ending up like Seth Rich in prison.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 12:45 PM (J+mig)

202
.....and meanwhile, Manafort sits in solitary confinement, denied bail.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 12:45 PM (8XRCm)

203 Sullivan should threaten to sanction Flynn's lawyers for not serving the interests of their client and perpetrating a fraud on the court.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 18, 2018 12:45 PM (koNhm)

204 Please tell me Trump is not backing down on the Wall? Misinfo by the Media right?

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:45 PM (HrSJb)

205 Flynn has been put through the wringer and knows he's not guilty, but, is pleading out, because he's completely worn out and knows that if he recants, Mueller will come back at him again. Flynn just isn't up to dealing with being investigated from now to eternity and wants it to stop.
Posted by: Blake

___________

Yes, he's willing to give the Deep State a big win and throw Trump overboard for his own personal convenience.


We all get it.

Flynn had an incredible case for his innocence and reputation, even the judge is basically saying "what the hell are you doing" but legal fees.

Glad this guy wasn't called on to win any wars for us. What a pussy.

Posted by: Blago at December 18, 2018 12:45 PM (UfkIY)

206 The walts are closing in on Trump.

Posted by: Walt Disney and Walt Whitman at December 18, 2018 12:40 PM (kyzbF)
.........

The waltz are closing in on Trump.

Posted by: zombie Johann Strauss at December 18, 2018 12:45 PM (HgMAr)

Christoph?

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 12:46 PM (8D42x)

207 Judge is walking back treason statement.

By the way, Judge Nap. NeverTrumper much?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 12:46 PM (ptqGC)

208 Hi everyone, Jonah's busy in a twitter war against conservatives blowing the whistle on Google funding National Review. Oh wait I got that mixed up, Jonah's the "conservative," not the other ones!

So he sent me out to tell you that you're all a bunch of nativist nazi fascist tribalist anti-semite knuckle-dragging pithecines. George Soros is a philanthropist and any conservative opinion magazine that opposes the vile tribalism of flyover Americans would be honored to have him show us the money.

Also, he's making a special one-time Christmas offer of an annual subscription to National Review just for you nazis of 88 cents. And for another 14 cents, you can get NR-Plus! That's a big discount from the newsstand price, that is if anyone bought the magazine on newsstands.

Time for my walk. Gotta run!

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg's Dog at December 18, 2018 12:46 PM (DuAZ5)

209 New rule DOJ is announcing today reclassifies bump fire stock as machineguns under the National Firearms Act. That will effectively ban them and require anyone who currently owns them to either dispose of them or be subject to charges.

So, caving on the border wall and the second amendment. Trump is going to have to grab himself by himself if these reversals keep up.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at December 18, 2018 12:46 PM (O7MnT)

210 I was holding out hope, there was such a thing as a fair and honest judge.

Posted by: franksalterego at December 18, 2018 12:47 PM (3cq8T)

211 204 Please tell me Trump is not backing down on the Wall? Misinfo by the Media right?

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:45 PM (HrSJb)

== == == ==
Nope. He's doing what a lot of us suspected he would: using the Corps. of Engineers to build the wall.

Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:47 PM (Mq6Af)

212
Maybe Flynn thinks there's less odds of ending up like Seth Rich in prison.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 12:45 PM (J+mig)


*cough* Whitey Bulger *cough*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 18, 2018 12:47 PM (ptqGC)

213 I dont own a yellow vest but I have a few hi-vis construction shirts.

When do we start?

Posted by: Horus Heresy at December 18, 2018 12:48 PM (DB16e)

214 I think our heroic federal LE agency must have a whole can of blackmail to open up on Flynn, probably beyond even threats to prosecute his son, serial charges etc. Maybe some marital infidelity, maybe with a boy instead of a girl.

This is where an unlimited surveillance State gets you.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 18, 2018 12:48 PM (koNhm)

215 Please tell me Trump is not backing down on the Wall? Misinfo by the Media right?

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:45 PM (HrSJb)

I have a feeling, and it could be wrong, that PDJT is playing the dems like a Stradivarius right now. he's making offers to show the public he can make deals and be reasonable, but just like with DACA amnesty, the dems will not budge an inch, and when govt. "shuts down" and trump has to build the wall by taking funding from one of their beloved projects he can quite honestly state he TRIED to make a deal but they wouldn't budge...

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 12:49 PM (8D42x)

216 I dont own a yellow vest but I have a few hi-vis construction shirts.

When do we start?
Posted by: Horus Heresy


Silly French. You're going to want camo...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 18, 2018 12:49 PM (AM1GF)

217 Nope. He's doing what a lot of us suspected he would: using the Corps. of Engineers to build the wall.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:47 PM (Mq6Af)

Then why didn't he do that 18 months ago?

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 12:49 PM (CQ3Qb)

218 Nope. He's doing what a lot of us suspected he would: using the Corps. of Engineers to build the wall.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:47 PM (Mq6Af)

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See... I don't get this.

I thought the Republican CR back in March specifically prohibited Trump from doing this. Can anyone explain how any of this works?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 12:49 PM (AzW6q)

219 Flynn is like the four men who got sent to prison to cover up a crime that Whitey Bulger committed.

In this case, Ferris Mueller is covering up for all of Hillary's crimes by going after Trump's associates.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at December 18, 2018 12:49 PM (trpsZ)

220
Andrew Prokop @awprokop
1m
Flynn's lawyer asks for delay in sentencing.
+++++ hahahahahaha

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:49 PM (BqBId)

221 I have a feeling, and it could be wrong, that PDJT is playing the dems like a Stradivarius right now. he's making offers to show the public he can make deals and be reasonable, but just like with DACA amnesty, the dems will not budge an inch, and when govt. "shuts down" and trump has to build the wall by taking funding from one of their beloved projects he can quite honestly state he TRIED to make a deal but they wouldn't budge...
Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 12:49 PM (8D42x)

There is no shutdown now. Off the table.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 12:50 PM (CQ3Qb)

222 t
Darren Samuelsohn @dsamuelsohn
1m
Flynn attorney Robert Kelner said they'll take Judge Sullivan up on the offer to postpone the sentencing.

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (BqBId)

223 You're going to want camo...
Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 18, 2018 12:49 PM

I have plenty of that too.

Posted by: Horus Heresy at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (DB16e)

224 I thought the Republican CR back in March specifically prohibited Trump from doing this. Can anyone explain how any of this works?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 12:49 PM (AzW6q)

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Well, for starters, Congress cant strip the Executive of any of its Enumerated powers.

It written down on some old dusty peice of lambskin, but its there.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (8XRCm)

225 >>I thought the Republican CR back in March specifically prohibited Trump from doing this. Can anyone explain how any of this works?

Trump has been saying for the last couple days he is going to court to get an opinion he can if it is a national security issue.

Caravan was pretty helpful in showing that.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (/tuJf)

226 210. Agreed. Kavanaugh worries me also. what is the point of all these great circuit judges that Trump had confirmed, if they always flip on us.

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (HrSJb)

227 I was holding out hope, there was such a thing as a fair and honest judge.

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It seems like Sullivan is the only one trying to get at the truth right now.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (sX1BW)

228 Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 12:50 PM (CQ3Qb)
+++++
Pelosi just blew it up, But Nice Try

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (BqBId)

229 Nope. He's doing what a lot of us suspected he would: using the Corps. of Engineers to build the wall.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:47 PM (Mq6Af)

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See... I don't get this.

I thought the Republican CR back in March specifically prohibited Trump from doing this. Can anyone explain how any of this works?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 18, 2018 12:49 PM (AzW6q)

doesn't the CR expire midnight Friday? and if so, wouldn't that provision expire with the CR? idk.

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (8D42x)

230 If Trump was Hernan Cortes, he'd say, "You Aztecs could built a freakin' pyramid -- so now you can build this wall! Step to it!"

Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (c+2jX)

231 Sullivan delays sentencing.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (/tuJf)

232 You should go watch Gavin McInnes's explanation as to why he called it that.
Posted by: Sponge


Third stage of membership: get a tat and don't 'bate.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (xzezz)

233 And now the sentencing will be postponed.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:52 PM (sX1BW)

234 I have a feeling, and it could be wrong, that PDJT is playing the dems like a Stradivarius right now.

I wish that were true, but it isn't. We've heard that said before when Trump appeared to be caving (like last year's budget deal). But he wasn't playing them like a violin, he was just caving.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at December 18, 2018 12:52 PM (O7MnT)

235 Ivan Pentchoukov @IvanPentchoukov
1m
BREAKING: Judge delays Flynn sentencing. Status conference in 90 days.
+++++
hahahahaha OH Flynn is going to get Hit Hard

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:52 PM (BqBId)

236 #198 a 'perfumed prince' comes to mind....

Posted by: torabora at December 18, 2018 12:52 PM (l4NG+)

237 Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at December 18, 2018 12:52 PM (O7MnT)
+++++
Might wanna check the news Or Twitter

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:53 PM (BqBId)

238 Ballot box: Overruled by deep state coup.
Speaker's box: Banned by Twitter, demonetized by Youtube, suppressed by Google.
Jury box: Nullified by the Hawaiian Circuit.
Next box: ?

Profit.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 18, 2018 12:53 PM (koNhm)

239 That felt like theater.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 12:54 PM (/tuJf)

240 There is no shutdown now. Off the table.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 18, 2018 12:50 PM (CQ3Qb)

Pelosi just blew it up, But Nice Try

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (BqBId)

Ok, I'm confused. I hadn't heard it had been scrapped, and now someone is saying they scrapped the scrapping of the shutdown?

I gave up twatter for my health and free time so I'm not up to date on the goings on during working hours anymore.

someone help a brother out please...

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 12:54 PM (8D42x)

241 That felt like theater.
Posted by: JackStraw
........

kubuki..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 12:54 PM (so+oy)

242 148 Flynn is playing this like a guy that sure as shit got caught red-handed at "something".
Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 12:34 PM (axaxF)

Maybe that's one of the reasons, at Pence's insistence, why Trump fired him so quickly.

We're not privy to the whole story, me thinks.

Posted by: Sooner at December 18, 2018 12:54 PM (Fs5vw)

243 Ballot box: Overruled by deep state coup.
Speaker's box: Banned by Twitter, demonetized by Youtube, suppressed by Google.
Jury box: Nullified by the Hawaiian Circuit.
Next box: ?


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Ammo???

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 12:54 PM (8XRCm)

244 That felt like theater.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 12:54 PM (/tuJf)

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But was Sullivan in on it or did he feel like he was being played too?

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:54 PM (sX1BW)

245 I get the distinct impression that Flynn's attorney is collaborating with Mueller, and Flynn either can't or won't see it.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 12:55 PM (axaxF)

246 Trump has more patience than I have. If I were in position as POTUS, I would declassify all today. Congress Sex Fund, Fisa courts...

all in Chips at the table

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:55 PM (HrSJb)

247 I didn't say that. You said that.
*Nervously chain smokes*

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 18, 2018 12:55 PM (koNhm)

248 Ballot box: Overruled by deep state coup.
Speaker's box: Banned by Twitter, demonetized by Youtube, suppressed by Google.
Jury box: Nullified by the Hawaiian Circuit.
Next box: ?

Profit.
Posted by: xnycpeasant


Soapbox
Ballot Box
Jury Box
Expensive Box

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 12:55 PM (xzezz)

249 231 Sullivan delays sentencing.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 12:51 PM (/tuJf)

== == == ==
Hmm. Looks like the Judge was saying "You really want to think this over. I'm not playing any games here. I know you're innocent but if you keep up this charade I can't help you and I can't bring Muller to heel." Flynn wisely decided to think it over.

Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:55 PM (Mq6Af)

250 243 Ballot box: Overruled by deep state coup.
Speaker's box: Banned by Twitter, demonetized by Youtube, suppressed by Google.
Jury box: Nullified by the Hawaiian Circuit.
Next box: ?


--------

Ammo???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 12:54 PM (8XRCm)

We're working on that... next year you will need our permission to buy ammo in Calif.

Posted by: Calif Government at December 18, 2018 12:56 PM (NgKpN)

251 >>But was Sullivan in on it or did he feel like he was being played too?

No idea but my guess would be no. I think he was genuinely angry that things didn't seem to make a lot of sense.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 12:56 PM (/tuJf)

252 Ballot box: Overruled by deep state coup.
Speaker's box: Banned by Twitter, demonetized by Youtube, suppressed by Google.
Jury box: Nullified by the Hawaiian Circuit.
Next box: ?

Profit.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 18, 2018 12:53 PM (koNhm)

if you've invested in heavy metals ...

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 12:56 PM (8D42x)

253 Arrest him on RICO charges, then see who wants to extradite him.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 18, 2018 12:56 PM (oVJmc)

254 Trolls are here today

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:56 PM (HrSJb)

255 I'm failing to see any issues with any of this.

Posted by: Beezlebub at December 18, 2018 12:56 PM (ctuyM)

256 Trump has more patience than I have. If I were in position as POTUS, I would declassify all today. Congress Sex Fund, Fisa courts...

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Either it isn't as juicy as you think and/or he is saving it for when he really needs a trump card. Or a little a both. Better to hold it - knowing it really isn't a good card to play because of my first statement.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:56 PM (sX1BW)

257 That felt like theater.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 12:54 PM (/tuJf)
=====
Ya Think ?

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:56 PM (BqBId)

258 246 Trump has more patience than I have. If I were in position as POTUS, I would declassify all today. Congress Sex Fund, Fisa courts...

all in Chips at the table
Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:55 PM (HrSJb)

Yup, you can't bitch that the Dems have politicized law enforcement.

And then do it yourself.

Posted by: Don Q at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (NgKpN)

259 >>But was Sullivan in on it or did he feel like he was being played too?

No idea but my guess would be no. I think he was genuinely angry that things didn't seem to make a lot of sense.

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I'm with you and Jackal.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (sX1BW)

260 MSM bummed out. Hoping a Flynn jail sentence today, now have to wait 3 months

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:57 PM (HrSJb)

261 Man deported in 2014 shoots dead California gas station attendant, shoots two more strangers, robs convenience store, carjacks a truck, and then leads cops on 100mph high-speed chase before killing himself in wrong-way crash.

https://tinyurl.com/yc3wvfjh
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at December 18, 2018 12:43 PM (hjaPQ)

Fucker had neck tats. Neck tats should automatically put a criminal on the "shoot on sight" list. It's the human equivalent of a rabid dog foaming at the mouth.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (fDU8w)

262 256. Good point. Ace in the Sleeve

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (HrSJb)

263 Attorney: Ya Hona' we need a recess to get our stories straight.
Court: Granted!

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (koNhm)

264 Please tell me Trump is not backing down on the Wall? Misinfo by the Media right?

Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:45 PM (HrSJb)

== == == ==
Nope. He's doing what a lot of us suspected he would: using the Corps. of Engineers to build the wall.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:47 PM (Mq6Af)

------------

This. The wall has been quietly going up for months now.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (ffYR/)

265 163
So frickin pathetic. Not one dirty Democrat ever goes down with 8 years of Obama and two years of a Hillary Campaign.

and the GOP Senate does squat


Posted by: Jonah at December 18, 2018 12:37 PM (HrSJb)


I disagree.
Hey Indian Temple Staircase, what do you think?

Posted by: The Bollard at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (ymnmz)

266 6
OT but what the fuck is going on at Flynn's sentencing, he's all like "no, throw the book at me"

Posted by: billionaires! At the bottom of it all! at December 18, 2018 12:01 PM (7J5t2)
------------------------------


Flynn has been destroyed by Mueller and company. He gave up a long time ago because he is broke, and Mueller has supposedly threatened to go after his son as well.

Flynn is not deviating from the only path Mueller gave him to not destroy his son. Pretty simple.

The Judge, according to Rush, has just said he is going to delay the sentencing, again.
This case stinks to high heaven, the Judge knows it, the Judge has also witnessed that Flynn is a clapping seal, and willing to catch and eat herring thrown at him by Mueller with his bare hands.
This is the same Judge that threw out these same FBI sleazebags on the Senator Ted Stevens case. Judge Emmet Sullivan is no rookie, he has seen the Mueller farm animals shit in his court before.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (UsCnO)

267 But was Sullivan in on it or did he feel like he was being played too?


--/---

I believe Team Mueller just insisted to the judge in court that Flynn was NOT a foreign agent.

Posted by: MAGA at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (i3YKa)

268 Something tells me if Flynn were to recant, Sullivan would give him his directed verdict AND come down like a ton of bricks on the Special Councel.

Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (Mq6Af)

269 Hmm. Looks like the Judge was saying "You really want to think this over. I'm not playing any games here. I know you're innocent but if you keep up this charade I can't help you and I can't bring Muller to heel." Flynn wisely decided to think it over.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:55 PM


Hmmmm... Trump wished Flynn "Good luck" this morning.

What did Trump know, and when did he know it?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (ctuyM)

270 March 13th Is a Status Report, Not sentencing day

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (BqBId)

271 Is there not one, conservative criminal law firm willing to represent Flynn pro bono?
He should fucking fire his attorneys and demand time to obtain competent counsel.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 18, 2018 01:00 PM (koNhm)

272 We're not privy to the whole story, me thinks.
Posted by: Sooner at December 18, 2018 12:54 PM (Fs5vw)


Pretty sure you are right.

Ever watch Pro Poker on TV ? Next time, tape a piece of paper over where they show the hole cards, and mute the sound. An entirely different experience.

Posted by: JayDubWalker at December 18, 2018 01:00 PM (axaxF)

273 I assumed Trump was negotiating on the wall and will settle for sum that is more than before but not enough for a full wall.

Posted by: Max Power at December 18, 2018 01:01 PM (llxrS)

274 Sounds more and more that Sullivan wanted Flynn to say he was challenging the FBIs case that he lied or at least lied over a material fact and when he wouldn't he got angry.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:01 PM (/tuJf)

275 271 Is there not one, conservative criminal law firm willing to represent Flynn pro bono?
He should fucking fire his attorneys and demand time to obtain competent counsel.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 18, 2018 01:00 PM (koNhm)

== == == ==
Resources like that do not exist on the right. That should be readily apparent at this point.

Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 01:01 PM (Mq6Af)

276 Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 12:58 PM (UsCnO)

That is the first thing I've heard that passes the smell test. Mob tactics + biting the bullet to protect his son? It fits what we know about the character of Mueller and Flynn.

Posted by: Cato by Phone at December 18, 2018 01:01 PM (J+mig)

277 I believe Team Mueller just insisted to the judge in court that Flynn was NOT a foreign agent.
Posted by: MAGA at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (i3YKa)

268 Something tells me if Flynn were to recant, Sullivan would give him his directed verdict AND come down like a ton of bricks on the Special Councel.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (Mq6Af)

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I'm inclined to believe both of you.

Time will tell.

But if Flynn stays the course, Sullivan will throw the book at him. How cooperative he will be following that will remain to be seen. That could be a wild card Mueuller wants to avoid.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 01:01 PM (sX1BW)

278 nood judge

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 01:02 PM (8D42x)

279 that he hadn't lied

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 01:02 PM (/tuJf)

280
Sara A. Carter @SaraCarterDC
#MikeFlynn sentencing postponed indefinitely with an update on March 13, 2019. Judge Sullivan has more questions about Special Counsel's and FBI conduct

Posted by: Max BOOThole at December 18, 2018 01:02 PM (BqBId)

281 Something tells me if Flynn were to recant, Sullivan would give him his directed verdict AND come down like a ton of bricks on the Special Councel.
Posted by: Jackal at December 18, 2018 12:59 PM (Mq6Af)

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If this were to happen, Mewler would just come after him again with more bullshit charges. The process is the punishment.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at December 18, 2018 01:03 PM (ffYR/)

282 But if Flynn stays the course, Sullivan will throw the book at him.

-----

So.... judge is saying "I will treat you far worse than that asshole over there will, but you have to come clean on your own accord."

Posted by: fixerupper at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (8XRCm)

283 I could see Flynn changing his plea in 90 days. And of course that 90 days means "events" may happen. More docs may be released or leaked. I doubt Mueller is happy with this.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 18, 2018 01:04 PM (r+sAi)

284 90
87: Our government of full of traitors looking for foreign money.

Posted by: CN at December 18, 2018 12:22 PM (U7k5w)

You mean like Paul Ryan?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 18, 2018 01:05 PM (UsCnO)

285 Well, we could always give George and his quislings a nice tour....

Posted by: Pinochet Air Tours Flt. Attendant, Right Side at December 18, 2018 01:06 PM (67aEn)

286 Soapbox
Ballot Box
Jury Box
Expensive Box
Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 12:55 PM (xzezz)


Snatch, box and pussy all have specific meanings, but when you put them in a Disney movie.....

Posted by: Sponge at December 18, 2018 01:08 PM (F4u7C)

287 I think we need a few mechanics for a little wet work. The squeaking wheels need to get greased.

Posted by: Smokey Behr at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (ecadB)

288 So, sentencing is off til March..

So.. if Mueller is "winding down", or a new AG is confirmed and shuts him down before then, Flynn would be better or worse off with no more threats from the Mueller team? Or, does the DOJ still have the same power over him that Mueller has?

The complexities of all of this kinda leaves all the speculations (around here, but mostly in the MSM - Fox included) in the dumpster.. We have no idea what is going on, and neither does the press.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 18, 2018 01:16 PM (so+oy)

289 How issit, that most of us* know all about this case in minute detail, and yet this judge doesn't seem to have a fricking clue?

*the ones paying attention

Posted by: franksalterego at December 18, 2018 01:24 PM (3cq8T)

290 George Soros is a toad.

Posted by: Your Friendly Neighborhood Witch at December 18, 2018 04:45 PM (6BOW3)

291 They have Mueller by the bung-hole and so postpone postpone postpone.

Posted by: Your Friendly Neighborhood Witch at December 18, 2018 04:46 PM (6BOW3)

292 I think Mueller wants Flynn to suffer a great deal, because he knows deep inside what a fricking bitch he himself is. He's the traitor. I hope a rock falls down from the heavens and squishes him. I'll have to wish for him what I wished for Hugo Chazez.

Posted by: Your Friendly Neighborhood Witch at December 18, 2018 04:47 PM (6BOW3)

293 Soros and his ilk need to lose their American Citizenship's and be deported back to Europe to stay

Posted by: Tamaa Bird 1000 Voices at December 18, 2018 04:57 PM (wGqjj)

The Morning Rant: J.V. Edition

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Love it or hate it, New York City is The country's (and perhaps the world's) premier city, and to allow it to descend into the maelstrom that Giuliani (and to a lesser extent Bloomberg) rescued it from is criminal.

NYC is the first stop for many tourists, and it gets more visitors -- something like 50,000,000 -- than any other city in America. Politics aside, we should be proud of this gateway too the country, and we should expect that it is maintained to a minimum standard. Unfortunately it is immersed in the politics of pretty much everything under the sun, except for silly things like minimizing crime and keeping the streets clean. DeBlasio is an incompetent hack, and it is sad that most New Yorkers are so apathetic about politics that they allow a small minority of well organized fanatics to control the destiny of what once was a great and safe city.

Re-civilize the Streets

Though the city’s official crime numbers have not yet worsened, signs of increasing disorder are everywhere. The city is filthy; any mayor should be ashamed to have European tourists witness our inability to keep the streets free of trash. Vagrants are multiplying. The solution to colonization by beggars and addicts is not more taxpayer-subsidized housing, which the city already provides in massive amounts at the expense of basic public services. The solution is enforcement of the law and willingness to insist that the mentally ill stay in treatment.
Those "official" crime numbers are crap. They ignore a lot of stuff, and have decriminalized a lot more, so any comparison is specious. Ask any New Yorker who isn't a liar and he will tell you that, "Yes, it's gotten worse." And the worst is yet to come.

******

Let's admit that comedy is problematic
I am literally shaking with rage at the thought of a room filled with people mocking the need for safe spaces. It’s like encountering hundreds of micro-aggressions all at once, like tiny paper cuts embedding themselves into my crevices. The first time I saw that clip, I zipped myself into my portable isolation chamber and ate nothing but tinned pineapple until the fear subsided.

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1 Monkey first!

Posted by: Flyguy at December 18, 2018 11:29 AM (aR91B)

2 From a dentist chair too. Wooo.

Posted by: Flyguy at December 18, 2018 11:29 AM (aR91B)

3 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 11:30 AM (xzezz)

4 Eh - I don't care too much about what happens to NY.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 11:30 AM (sX1BW)

5 damnit, I refreshed JUST before this was posted. missed a first. but still got a top 10.

morning Horde.

Posted by: SturmToddler at December 18, 2018 11:31 AM (8D42x)

6 Willowed: 406
Can you sell advertisement on the wall like a ballpark.
It would be interesting to see which side commanded more value.
Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 11:25 AM

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The outer or Mexican side should simply say in Spanish and in English: If you cross this wall you will die.

The inner, American side can have all the ads anybody would want, as long as Trump's name is emblazoned every mile or so.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at December 18, 2018 11:31 AM (PFlOK)

7 Isn't there also a significant increase in the number of crimes against Jews in Brooklyn?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2018 11:32 AM (W+vEI)

8 So why would sex be better under socialism? To take your mind off the economic suffering?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 18, 2018 11:32 AM (/tuJf)

9 Top Ten?

Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs, still needs a new Nic! at December 18, 2018 11:32 AM (c/NOX)

10 damnit, I refreshed JUST before this was posted. missed a first. but still got a top 10.


It was empty. By the time I could type "corgis called", I was third.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 11:32 AM (xzezz)

11 Great picture of Bruce Jenner throwing the javelin on that book cover.

Posted by: ShainS - #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 18, 2018 11:32 AM (WqPYg)

12 So I guess women had better sex under National Socialism, too?

Posted by: rickl at December 18, 2018 11:32 AM (xjiRE)

13 Please tell me that article about problematic comedy is satire. It is satire isn't it?

Posted by: Northernlurker being f'n insufferable at December 18, 2018 11:32 AM (MkcN1)

14 Top 20?

Posted by: Surfperch at December 18, 2018 11:33 AM (tp5vm)

15 So why would sex be better under socialism?


Because everyone gets fvcked?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 18, 2018 11:33 AM (xzezz)

16 4 Eh - I don't care too much about what happens to NY.

Posted by: SH at December 18, 2018 11:30 AM (sX1BW)


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The San Francisco of the East Coast.

Posted by: ShainS - #WokeStasi Dragnet Survivor at December 18, 2018 11:33 AM (WqPYg)

17 Let it burn.

Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at December 18, 2018 11:33 AM (SQHlx)

18 What the heck does "economic independence" even mean?

Is that attempted justification for being dirt poor under socialism?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 18, 2018 11:33 AM (JUOKG)

19 NYC streets are filthy and vagrant are multiplying.

It's a perfect place for Eurotrash visitors to get a little piece of home during their travels. Maybe DeBlasio can also have the call to prayer given on loudspeakers throughout Manhattan.

Posted by: Roy at December 18, 2018 11:33 AM (9rXxD)

20 From an Amazon review:

"Comrades! Under Socialism every man's penis is the same size and all women reach orgasm !"

Posted by: shibumi at December 18, 2018 11:34 AM (UyW0o)

21 Now, if men had better masturbation under Socialism, we might have something to talk about.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at December 18, 2018 11:34 AM (xfb67)

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