Wednesday Overnight Open Thread (7/18/18 )

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The Quotes of The Day

Quote I

"Once an election is over and you win, why are you still angry?" he said. "I think it’s a lack of maturity on her part, and a lack of political acumen, for her to be that petty. We as Democrats better figure out who the real enemy is. And it’s not each other." Rep. Lacy Clay (D., Mo.)


Quote II

“The Federal Court is an appropriate venue for these cases and provides those affected with the opportunity for a timely resolution. Years of drawn out litigation and hearings are not in the best interest of victims, the community and those still healing,” Debra DeShong, a spokeswoman for MGM Resorts

Quote III

The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what you don't like, and do what you'd rather not. Mark Twain

Quote IV

Ellison claimed in an interview with progressive activist Rabbi Michael Lerner that America’s “prosperity is based on the want that is experienced in other parts of the world” and complained that “people, regular people, cannot go back and forth across the border seeking out the highest wages.” Rep. Keith Ellison, (D-MN)


I guess the Koran doesn't address the 'Thou shalt not covet shit' thing.

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I'm not sure why you Morons send me "heart warming" stories. What part of Misanthropic don't you understand? h/t ibguy

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Might as well keep Russia in the discussion. Once upon a time Russian women would kick your ass.

Mariya Oktybrskaya was one of those Russian women who didn’t want to watch the war from the sidelines. She would also be one of the women who would make skeptical men to eat their words. Born into a poor Crimean peasant family, Oktybrskaya reportedly enthusiastically embraced the ideals espoused by the leaders of the Russian Revolution was a firm communist. Some accounts state that she first became interested in military matters after marrying army officer Ilya Oktyabrskaya, declaring, “Marry a serviceman, and you serve in the army.

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I was the mob, before the mob came for me.

Within the world created by the various apps I used, I got plenty of shares and retweets. But this masked how ineffective I had become outside, in the real world. The only causes I was actually contributing to were the causes of mobbing and public shaming. Real change does not stem from these tactics. They only cause division, alienation, and bitterness.


It all boils down to the golden rule, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Doesn't it?

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The sky is falling. The sky is falling. The sky is falling. Soon your internet will be gone. Or, the water is rising. The water is rising. The water is rising.

Rising sea levels may change our coastlines and give some home owners new beachfront property, but among the myriad of real problems the world will experience, we can add one more: internet outages.

New research mapped out the U.S.’s internet infrastructure and overlaid that patchwork of cables, power stations, and data transfer stations with a map of proposed sea level rise, National Geographic reports. The result was not pretty. In the next 15 years, thousands of miles of fiber optic cables will be flooded with rising ocean waters. While some of this hardware can deal with water from time to time, none of it was built to withstand the rigors of being permanently submerged.

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Guess these idiots "Scientists" didn't hear about this news. Who needs the Paris Climate Agreement?

From the American Enterprise Institute via Twitter. h/t to WUWT reader “Latitude”

Last year the United States had the largest decline in CO2 emissions *in the entire world* for the 9th time this century.


Don't hold your breath for the socialists to acknowledge the free market does work.


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The ONT Musical Interlude


July 18, 2001, KISS added another product to their ever-growing merchandising universe: the "Kiss Kasket." The coffin featured the faces of the four founding members of the band, the Kiss logo and the words "Kiss Forever." Pantera guitarist Dimebag Darrell was buried in one after he was shot and killed on-stage in Dec 2004. via thisdayinmusic.com


July 18, 1972, Members from Sly and the Family Stone were arrested after police found two pounds of marijuana in the group's motor home. via thisdayinmusic.com

Bonus Material for "The Weekend"


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Well, I've never been to Mary's Igloo or Wankers Corner. h/t Political Hat

And I've never been to Spain.

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Confidence, a wonderful thing. Sure, I want the Feds running my health care.

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There is a reason you were never Mom's favorite. But, you did end up as Genius Award Winner.

Saying she was angry about being left without an inheritance, a Fort Lauderdale woman fatally beat her 85-year-old mother, police say.

Gabriela Perero, 53, is facing charges of premeditated murder and aggravated battery on a person 65 years of age or older, the Sun-Sentinel reports.


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The American worth ethic is alive and well. So is the axiom of "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction". Tonight's Feel Good Story of The Day. h/t "Doc Rochester"

HOMEWOOD, AL (WIAT) - The story of a dedicated man who was willing to walk all night to be on time for his first day of work has gone viral, prompting an outpouring of community support and a generous move by his employer's CEO.

Walter Carr works for Bellhops, a moving company that was hired to help a Pelham family move over the weekend.

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Tonight's ONT has been brought to you by Confident 'Ettes.

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Posted by: ALH at July 18, 2018 09:51 PM (8kkL4)

2 Good Evening, MisHum! Another excellent collection for all of your fans!

Posted by: ALH at July 18, 2018 09:52 PM (8kkL4)

3 Close

Posted by: Beartooth at July 18, 2018 09:52 PM (PXvvQ)

4 2 Good Evening, MisHum! Another excellent collection for all of your fans!

Posted by: ALH at July 18, 2018 09:52 PM (8kkL4)

Good evening to you as well. Thanks for the kind words.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 09:53 PM (3Pma+)

5 Good evening /end Alfred Hitchcock voice

Posted by: Roy at July 18, 2018 09:54 PM (ABjxW)

6 Thirſt!

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at July 18, 2018 09:54 PM (e9G8E)

7
Saguaros!

Posted by: Spun & Murky at July 18, 2018 09:54 PM (4DCSq)

8 Tell the lefties that by the time those sea levels rise, everything will be wireless. So, don't worry.

Posted by: Roy at July 18, 2018 09:55 PM (ABjxW)

9 Evening Horde! Beautiful pic up top.

Posted by: tonypete at July 18, 2018 09:55 PM (9rIkM)

10 Beard > Bush

Posted by: Roy at July 18, 2018 09:56 PM (ABjxW)

11 great ONT as always! i do like that story of that young man - he and his boss were interviewed on Charles Payne this afternoon and it was rather lovely.

Posted by: IC at July 18, 2018 09:56 PM (PEJUg)

12 The Beard Ladies are not walking in step.

Major Fail.

Posted by: ALH at July 18, 2018 09:56 PM (8kkL4)

13 Good evening. Top 10?

Posted by: Rosasharn at July 18, 2018 09:56 PM (PzBTm)

14 Close but no cigar...

Posted by: Rosasharn at July 18, 2018 09:57 PM (PzBTm)

15 I was home alone with my son today when a salesman came to the door wanting to know who my cable provider was. He was very pushy. Wanted to come in the house. I said no, of course. Said he would come back later, and then just parked in the road in front of my neighbor's house. By the time hubby got home he was gone. Creepy. Be careful out there, Ettes!

Posted by: jmel at July 18, 2018 09:57 PM (OeWgo)

16 The ONT is here.

Posted by: Surfperch at July 18, 2018 09:58 PM (j6XEO)

17 12 The Beard Ladies are not walking in step.

Major Fail.
Posted by: ALH at July 18, 2018 09:56 PM (8kkL4)

Drummers. Different tune. Some assembly required.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 09:58 PM (3Pma+)

18 Willowed:
Preliminary text of my felony complaint against the Governor of the Virgin Islands and the National Guard troops involved:

On or about September 7, 2017, as part of the preparations for an expected strike of Hurricane Irma, the governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands, Kenneth Mapp, ordered the National Guard to seize lawfully owned firearms and ammunition from residents of this U.S. Territory. Each weapon seized is an individual felony count of violation of 18 U.S. Code 242. (Since the National Guard troops were armed at the time.) The appropriate section of 18 U.S. Code 242 reads as follows:


Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States...

The governor was apparently acting under color of some law granting him some sort of emergency power. That does not matter, as 18 U.S. Code 242 says, no law may override constitutional rights. His action and the actions of the National Guard troops involved, directly deprived the victims of their second amendment rights to keep and bear arms, and are, without question, textbook violations of 18 U.S. Code 242.

I have filed these charges as soon as became aware of the actions of the Governor and National Guardsmen.

Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 09:59 PM (pCa05)

19 ART!
and snipers too!

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at July 18, 2018 09:59 PM (hMwEB)

20 I heart Elvis. Thanks for playing that song!

Posted by: ALH at July 18, 2018 09:59 PM (8kkL4)

21 Is that first pic from Sedona?

Posted by: IC at July 18, 2018 10:00 PM (PEJUg)

22 I bought two pounds of marijuana once, actually a little more than two. A kilo. Big brick of it all double wrapped in foil and then clear plastic.

My roommate and I split the cost, got it on the table at the apartment, opened it up, fluffed it all out, and stood dumbfounded at the size of the pile.

I remember that scene vividly. What I cannot recall at all is smoking any of it, or how long it lasted.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at July 18, 2018 10:01 PM (+fPHo)

23 Wow, just fantastic, MisHum!

Methinks Ms Occasional-Cortex will be a one hit wonder.

Assuming she wins at all (still an outside chance Crowley could actually win - Heh).

And I hope you won't mind too much if I thank you (once again) for the Hat Tip :-)

Posted by: ibguy at July 18, 2018 10:01 PM (vUcdz)

24 Congratulations on another Primus Noctus, ALH!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 18, 2018 10:01 PM (DMUuz)

25 MisHum-
How did you get a picture of my backyard??
Thanks for the awesome thread..

Posted by: DB Cooper at July 18, 2018 10:02 PM (LU8fy)

26 Yeah, I'm here!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:03 PM (txw6d)

27 have filed these charges as soon as became aware of the actions of the Governor and National Guardsmen.

Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 09:59 PM (pCa05)

I've read a number of your comments on these felony complaints. Can you give us any updates on any of them? I'm genuinely interested.

Posted by: Beartooth at July 18, 2018 10:03 PM (PXvvQ)

28 And I hope you won't mind too much if I thank you (once again) for the Hat Tip :-)
Posted by: ibguy at July 18, 2018 10:01 PM (vUcdz)

I do mind. Knock it the F off.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 10:04 PM (3Pma+)

29 Can somebody photoshop Obama into that final photo?

Thanks in advance ...

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 10:04 PM (BiLU+)

30 Those ladies are in luck, as I am a bearded-American.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:04 PM (NWiLs)

31 25 MisHum-
How did you get a picture of my backyard??
Thanks for the awesome thread..
Posted by: DB Cooper at July 18, 2018 10:02 PM (LU8fy)

I have my ways and......

You're welcome.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 10:05 PM (3Pma+)

32 The tank wench's husband would be know as 'Ilya OktyabrskY' in Russian, as last names are conjugated by gender, as are common nouns...

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at July 18, 2018 10:05 PM (e9G8E)

33 I claim dibs on the letter E girls in the last pic.

Posted by: Beartooth at July 18, 2018 10:05 PM (PXvvQ)

34 Once I submit charges I am out of the loop: The FBI does not comment on ongoing investigations.

Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 10:06 PM (pCa05)

35 Prickly landscape!

Good evening, folks.

Posted by: mindful webworker - why we don't know at July 18, 2018 10:06 PM (lMyeR)

36 Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 10:04 PM (BiLU+

You should ask Mr. Morning Report J.J. Sefton.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 10:06 PM (3Pma+)

37 Az is beautiful except for the melting.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 10:06 PM (+lOpA)

38 MisHum-
How did you get a picture of my backyard??
Thanks for the awesome thread..
Posted by: DB Cooper at July 18, 2018 10:02 PM (LU8fy)

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You keep a bevy of beautiful women in your backyard? Do they change up their message?

Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 18, 2018 10:06 PM (+F0Wk)

39 {{{Insomniac}}}

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:07 PM (txw6d)

40 Of course, considering when that picture was probably taken, all those young ladies are likely long since dead.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:07 PM (NWiLs)

41 39 {{{Insomniac}}}
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:07 PM (txw6d)

{{{Miley}}}

Hey darlin'.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:08 PM (NWiLs)

42 40 Of course, considering when that picture was probably taken, all those young ladies are likely long since dead.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:07 PM (NWiLs)

Or old, gray and wrinkled.

Posted by: ALH at July 18, 2018 10:08 PM (8kkL4)

43 Az is beautiful except for the melting.
Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 10:06 PM (+lOpA)

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Keep the witches away from water, and it's usually not a problem.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 18, 2018 10:08 PM (+F0Wk)

44 Apparently Danica Patrick hosts an awards show about as well as she drives a stock car.

Posted by: Mark1971 at July 18, 2018 10:08 PM (xPl2J)

45 Happy Trails to you . . .

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 10:08 PM (QLvwG)

46 For the record, I was both my mother's and father's favorite. One brother resents that to this day.

Posted by: Blutarski at July 18, 2018 10:09 PM (+Tibp)

47 I weeded the front garden and went grocery shopping today. Not entirely useless!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:09 PM (txw6d)

48 Hello, Horde!

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at July 18, 2018 10:09 PM (uDcBt)

49 Apparently Danica Patrick hosts an awards show about as well as she drives a stock car.

DNF?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 18, 2018 10:09 PM (4jqDR)

50 46 For the record, I was both my mother's and father's favorite. One brother resents that to this day.
Posted by: Blutarski at July 18, 2018 10:09 PM (+Tibp)

Lucky you. I was the designated black sheep.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:09 PM (NWiLs)

51 15 I was home alone with my son today when a salesman came to the door wanting to know who my cable provider was. He was very pushy. Wanted to come in the house. I said no, of course. Said he would come back later, and then just parked in the road in front of my neighbor's house. By the time hubby got home he was gone. Creepy. Be careful out there, Ettes!
Posted by: jmel


You could call the non-emergency number for your local police and ask if there is something hinky going on in your area. This sounds highly suspicious and the police do sometimes report that there is a pattern of scammers and thieves trying to trick people into letting them in the house.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 10:10 PM (+lVUW)

52 48 Hello, Horde!
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at July 18, 2018 10:09 PM (uDcBt)

Hi Teresa. Howzitgoin'?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:10 PM (NWiLs)

53 44
Apparently Danica Patrick hosts an awards show about as well as she drives a stock car.


Posted by: Mark1971



Which wall she crash into now?

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 18, 2018 10:11 PM (20X6f)

54 Hello, Horde!

Hiya !

Posted by: JT at July 18, 2018 10:11 PM (HbLZX)

55 To Dissolve The People And Elect Another

Those who say that having a problem with a massive influx of immigrants with a high fertility index to a country whose native population is in a population death spiral are "racist" and "paranoid" about being eliminated as a people, might not want to validate the "racists" by... calling for the abolition of their people. The Huffington Post (Germany) put out a piece that was entitled: "Turn around us! Why the German people should be abolished" (trans.).

http://politicalhat.com/?p=14779

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2018 10:11 PM (itfg0)

56 Lucky you. I was the designated black sheep.
Posted by: Insomniac

My favorite brother is the black sheep! We have great fun together. The other one is kind of a dick.

Posted by: Blutarski at July 18, 2018 10:11 PM (+Tibp)

57 Evening all. I'm mostly a lurker but I thought I'd check in and say hi

Posted by: BigZesty at July 18, 2018 10:11 PM (tr7QR)

58 How could you be the black sheep, Insomniac? You did what was expected of you. You followed the rules.
I, on the other hand, did not.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:11 PM (txw6d)

59 21
Is that first pic from Sedona?

Posted by: IC at July 18, 2018 10:00 PM (PEJUg)


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Greetings from Northern AZ. No, the Saguaro cactus does not grow in Sedona -- only in the Sonoran desert in the Valley to the south, stretching from just north of Phoenix to south of the border.

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 10:12 PM (BiLU+)

60 Want to hear something crazy? It's coming out that Peter Strzok was actually a CIA agent - likely hand picked by Brennan for elevation to the top of the FBI. Oh, and he was raised in Iran.

Posted by: PrayForMojo at July 18, 2018 10:12 PM (dyaak)

61 Lucky you. I was the designated black sheep.

Posted by: Insomniac


Sooooo..... do we get a baaa-baaa ?

Posted by: JT at July 18, 2018 10:12 PM (HbLZX)

62 Once I submit charges I am out of the loop: The FBI does not comment on ongoing investigations.

Okay. So the same FBI that is participating in a ongoing coup against us is in charge of protecting our rights. Not sure how that they will do anything other than do a 3 a.m.raid on you.

Posted by: Beartooth at July 18, 2018 10:13 PM (PXvvQ)

63 Welcome, BigZesty!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:13 PM (txw6d)

64 Also, I usually don't answer the door if it isn't someone I know or am expecting.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 10:13 PM (+lVUW)

65 I don't have much of a worth ethic.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 10:13 PM (IqV8l)

66 58 How could you be the black sheep, Insomniac? You did what was expected of you. You followed the rules.
I, on the other hand, did not.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:11 PM (txw6d)

I was given the designation. I didn't earn it. But I was the scapegoat/black sheep anyway. It was pretty fucked up.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:14 PM (NWiLs)

67 51 15 I was home alone with my son today when a salesman came to the door wanting to know who my cable provider was. He was very pushy. Wanted to come in the house. I said no, of course. Said he would come back later, and then just parked in the road in front of my neighbor's house. By the time hubby got home he was gone. Creepy. Be careful out there, Ettes!
Posted by: jmel

You could call the non-emergency number for your local police and ask if there is something hinky going on in your area. This sounds highly suspicious and the police do sometimes report that there is a pattern of scammers and thieves trying to trick people into letting them in the house.
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 10:10 PM (+lVUW)


If anything weird is going on in the neighborhood? Strangers?

I take out the cell phone, and take a picture...

they usually leave quickly...

Posted by: Don Q at July 18, 2018 10:14 PM (NgKpN)

68 21
Is that first pic from Sedona?

Posted by: IC at July 18, 2018 10:00 PM (PEJUg)


That's where we did our first cook. Near the cow house.

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at July 18, 2018 10:14 PM (SV/HG)

69 Evening all. I'm mostly a lurker but I thought I'd check in and say hi

Posted by: BigZesty


Hiya !

Posted by: JT at July 18, 2018 10:14 PM (HbLZX)

70 America's 'prosperity is based on the want that is experienced in other parts of the world'

--
Did Ellison just say that America is prosperous because the rest of the world is poor? Did he mean that America appears to be prosperous because the rest of the world doesn't have what we have?

(Doing a random walk through youtube I discovered a few videos of mult-billion dollar yachts that were literally gold plated and I don't think they were owned by Americans.)

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 10:14 PM (roQNm)

71 Sooooo..... do we get a baaa-baaa ?
Posted by: JT at July 18, 2018 10:12 PM (HbLZX)

You can have a bah humbug.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:15 PM (NWiLs)

72

That cactus in the middle with raised arms says "Mammy!"

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 10:15 PM (IqV8l)

73 I saw the ghost of Barack Obama Sr. dancing front and center with Sly and the Family Stone. Totes serious, you guys!

Posted by: Fritz at July 18, 2018 10:15 PM (RfYYV)

74 In the next 15 years, thousands of miles of fiber optic cables will be flooded with rising ocean waters. While some of this hardware can deal with water from time to time, none of it was built to withstand the rigors of being permanently submerged.



That which is up on poles can somehow handle rain, that in the ground is designed to be submerged. And the next 15 years?

This is one reason enough to no longer subscribe to NatGeo.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 18, 2018 10:15 PM (1g7ch)

75 WE♥BEARD?

Actually, this was a failed advertising photo for a local bakery.

Posted by: mindful webworker - elsdyxic at July 18, 2018 10:16 PM (lMyeR)

76 65 I don't have much of a worth ethic.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 10:13 PM (IqV8l)

I had a phenomenal work ethic until I realized it didn't matter.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:16 PM (NWiLs)

77 You can have a bah humbug.

And it's not even Christmas !

What a guy !

Posted by: JT at July 18, 2018 10:16 PM (HbLZX)

78 Also, I usually don't answer the door if it isn't someone I know or am expecting.



Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 10:13 PM (+lVUW)

I recall an old Miss Manners column, about how people don't have the right to disturb you when you're busy. For example, in the bath.
This was written back when everyone had land lines and mostly no answering machines. Normally people ran to answer the phone.

But, this is not something you are required to do. Nor answer the door. I often don't answer the door. It's rude to demand that I do so.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:17 PM (txw6d)

79 That landscape doesn't look like Yellowstone, and yet...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 10:17 PM (R+Cqa)

80 The I Was the Mob article is interesting, as are the comments

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at July 18, 2018 10:17 PM (hMwEB)

81 Transatlantic fiber optic cables don't work.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 10:17 PM (IqV8l)

82 Hey BigZ.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 10:18 PM (Zmczq)

83 77 You can have a bah humbug.

And it's not even Christmas !

What a guy !
Posted by: JT at July 18, 2018 10:16 PM (HbLZX)

What can I say. I'm a giver.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:18 PM (NWiLs)

84 I have fed things in an aquarium that were smarter than Juan Williams.

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 10:18 PM (XRHct)

85 As I am wont to do when I am confused or troubled, I consult my Catechism to learn what is to be expected for a Catholic - and by extension all. Listening to our various members of the FBI, DOJ, etc. while lying to congress or spouting off on twatter, I felt so moved today. To wit:

Duties of civil authorities:
(2236) The exercise of authority is meant to give outward expression to a just hierarchy of values in order to facilitate the exercise of freedom and responsibility by all. Those in authority should practice distributive justice wisely, taking account of the needs and contribution of each, with a view to harmony and peace. They should take care that the regulations and measures they adopt are not a source of temptation by setting personal interest against that of the community.
Emphasis mine.

Posted by: tonypete at July 18, 2018 10:18 PM (9rIkM)

86 Hiya Miley !

Sorry to hear of your troubles.

Is your brother getting any better ?

Posted by: JT at July 18, 2018 10:18 PM (HbLZX)

87 I never tire of seeing sequoia cactus . Magnificent.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 10:18 PM (Zmczq)

88 I have added the following to the complaint.
Further, the actions of the National Guardsmen, in failing to reject the illegal orders of the Governor, were clear violations of their oaths to "preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States..."

Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 10:18 PM (pCa05)

89 That's where we did our first cook. Near the cow house.


Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at July 18, 2018 10:14 PM (SV/HG)


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You know the only thing Pinkman learned in my high school chemistry class was the symbols for the elements Bismuth, Technetium, and Hydrogen.
Because they spelled Bi+Tc+H!

Posted by: Walter White at July 18, 2018 10:19 PM (BiLU+)

90 I bought two pounds of marijuana once, actually a
little more than two. A kilo. Big brick of it all double wrapped in
foil and then clear plastic.



My roommate and I split the cost, got it on the table at the
apartment, opened it up, fluffed it all out, and stood dumbfounded at
the size of the pile.



I remember that scene vividly. What I cannot recall at all is smoking any of it, or how long it lasted.





Posted by: Les Kinetic at July 18, 2018 10:01 PM (+fPHo)

Junior year, the guys down the hall (aka party room, always with a bevy of beautiful girls hanging around) started the year off right. They had acquired (don't know how) a hay bale-sized stash of wacky weed. No exaggeration, it was a hay bale.
Now these guys had a plan. They would sell most of it to other pot heads, enough to buy 2 hay bales next time, and smoke the remainder for themselves. Great plan. What actually happened was they smoked so much themselves, keeping the pretty girl platoon ready, willing, and able, that they forgot to ever go and market their wares. Or go to class, apparently. Or take a test.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 10:19 PM (QLvwG)

91 Hey BigZ.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob


Careful, BigZ.

He bites.

Posted by: JT at July 18, 2018 10:20 PM (HbLZX)

92 BigZesty #57: Evening all. I'm mostly a lurker but I thought I'd check in and say hi

Hi, BigZesty.

* hands BigZesty a frosty beverage which just happens to be exactly what BigZesty wanted *

Posted by: mindful webworker - alakazam it's virtual at July 18, 2018 10:21 PM (lMyeR)

93

Fresh cut aged steak, tequila lime shrimp and sweet corn with crema street vendor style on the barbie tonight.

VT GF hints there may be dessert...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits, Director Happy Fun Camp Time Share Sales at July 18, 2018 10:21 PM (UFLLM)

94 You knew this was coming. look what they tried to do to Jim Jordan... now Kavanaugh.


https://truepundit.com/right-on-cue-kavanaugh-accused-of-hiding-sexual-harassment/

Posted by: redridinghood at July 18, 2018 10:21 PM (PvFoN)

95 It's rude to demand that I do so.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:17 PM (txw6d)

The only way anyone gets to demand my time is if they are paying me for it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 18, 2018 10:21 PM (wYseH)

96
Just below the fiber optic article on the Daily Dot is:

Bill Nye explains what would happen if all the sea ice melted

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 10:21 PM (IqV8l)

97 America's 'prosperity is based on the want that is experienced in other parts of the world'


Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 10:14 PM (roQNm)


Socialists are not only bad people, they are also extremely ungrateful for what has been done and how it has made the world a better place.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 18, 2018 10:21 PM (2K6fY)

98 I had a phenomenal work ethic until I realized it didn't matter.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:16 PM (NWiLs)


=====

This! You end up becoming a victim of your success, and your hard work/extra hours not only goes unappreciated -- it becomes expected.

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 10:21 PM (BiLU+)

99 Here's a fun story about Mark Twain... he was once challenged to a duel.

When he just Sam Clemens, local newspaper editor in Missouri, he wrote a couple of pretty scathing editorials about a local lawyer (whose name I forget).

That lawyer challenged Sam to a duel, and Sam accepted.

Problem is, Sam wasn't much of a marksman. He had a friend who was pretty good at shooting, though, so asked that friend for some training. His replied, "You're dueling him? Oh, you're screwed. That guy is a terrific marksman."

They met a little while before the duel for a crash course. Sam, it turned out, couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. He grumbled that there must be something wrong with the gun.

His friend, the owner of that gun, got annoyed. He grabbed the gun, took aim at a tiny sparrow, like, fifty feet away, and blew it into a cloud of feathers. He then handed the gun back to Sam and said, basically, "It's not the gun, dipshit."

That was the moment Sam's opponent stepped around the corner. He had just seen that sparrow explode, and he now saw Sam holding a still-smoking revolver. Sam, thinking fast, said, "Oh, yeah, I totally did that! You, uh, ready for that duel, now?"

"Naah, uh... you know what? We're good." The guy backed down.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 10:22 PM (wSC8T)

100 I got the anchor for my boat. Its yuuuge. Gonna need a bigger boat. I can anchor a ocean liner.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 10:22 PM (Zmczq)

101 So my daughter has a kitten all picked out to adopt. I'll finalize the paperwork tomorrow and pick her up Friday. I've never owned a cat before.

Posted by: lin-duh at July 18, 2018 10:22 PM (kufk0)

102 You know the only thing Pinkman learned in my high school chemistry class was the symbols for the elements Bismuth, Technetium, and Hydrogen.
Because they spelled Bi+Tc+H!

Posted by: Walter White at July 18, 2018 10:19 PM (BiLU+)


I've worked with all three...

Posted by: The Political Hat at July 18, 2018 10:22 PM (itfg0)

103 60
Want to hear something crazy? It's coming out that Peter Strzok was
actually a CIA agent - likely hand picked by Brennan for elevation to
the top of the FBI. Oh, and he was raised in Iran.

Posted by: PrayForMojo



Yea, that's crazy. Plausible but crazy. I think I'll just walk past this rabbit hole. I can always come back.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 18, 2018 10:23 PM (20X6f)

104 Hey everybody.

Lucky you. I was the designated black sheep.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:09 PM (NWiLs)


Apologies in advance for the whine session and block of text below... ;-)

I was never the 'black sheep' per se, but I'm the one no one takes seriously about anything, even now when I finally *am* achieving some things (that I should have achieved in my life 20-25 years ago, but still).

Re the vacation thing I told you all about a few days ago: it's looking like maybe, just maybe everything will come together... but now I'm getting a lot of pushback: "Why do you have to spend TWO WHOLE NIGHTS at Morongo?!? Why do we all have to spend so long there?? Why is it so important to you to spend the night?? Whimper whine whine whimper..."

This goes back to the fact that again, I feel like no one respects my decisions. I have family members who, no matter HOW long they drive or HOW far away someplace is, are happy spending just ONE night, and then coming right back.

Me? I'm of the opinion that the further away someplace is, and the *more effort* it takes to get there? I want to spend more time.

I just don't get this POV of, let's work hard all day long to get somewhere. And then when you get there, you barely get enough time to enjoy it before you gotta stuff yourself back into the car and hit the road again. That's not a vacation to me. And I have explained this to my family over and over and over again. I've also explained that if I want my teenaged niece and nephew to be able to enjoy the 'lazy river pool' at Morongo, we have to spend the night there, at least one night.

But none of these explanations stick with them. They just keep banging at me. "Why do we have to spend so much time?!?!?"

Like you all said, I think I need to just start planning my own vacations, by myself, in the future. They never seem to want to compromise either; just, "I'm right and you're wrong!" I can't seem to get the bare minimum amount of respect I need, if I want anyone else to join me.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:23 PM (km8m2)

105 Hey! JT! I have not had one moron for dinner since ive been here.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 10:24 PM (Zmczq)

106 The measure to split California into three states just got yanked from the ballot by the Calif. Supreme Court.

Posted by: The Tripartate Hat at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (itfg0)

107 In the next 15 years, thousands of miles of fiber optic cables will be
flooded with rising ocean waters. While some of this hardware can deal
with water from time to time, none of it was built to withstand the
rigors of being permanently submerged.



Wait, I thought this happened 15 years ago?? along with the North Pole melting.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (20X6f)

108 Cannibal Bob, you, uh, mean you haven't had a Moron over for dinner, right? Don't you?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (wSC8T)

109 Blue Shadows on the Trail

Three Amigos

https://youtu.be/OdDZqkDMCv8

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (QLvwG)

110 Like you all said, I think I need to just start planning my own vacations, by myself, in the future. They never seem to want to compromise either; just, "I'm right and you're wrong!" I can't seem to get the bare minimum amount of respect I need, if I want anyone else to join me.
Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:23 PM (km8m2)

The problem is you keep capitulating. Just go, do what you want to do, and the hell with them.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (NWiLs)

111 I've never owned a cat before.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 18, 2018 10:22 PM (kufk0)

It will probably take a while for the kitten to get used to you. Whenit does they are fun and funny, but can be exhausting.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (AllCR)

112 95 It's rude to demand that I do so.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:17 PM (txw6d)

The only way anyone gets to demand my time is if they are paying me for it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 18, 2018 10:21 PM (wYseH)


So the Boss gave you a raise?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (3Pma+)

113 If Russia hacked the election, it was literally the worst op ever. Makes the Bay of Pigs look like a glorious victory. Brilliant from Mike Osajda, retired Marine O-6.

Posted by: Another Kansan at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (1MndR)

114

Lin-duh, your life is about to change for the better, mostly.

Pro-tip: If you have fragile ceramics, priceless Persian rugs, rare plants, those need to be put away.

Aquarium without a top or widely spaced bar bird cage, fix that.

Do NOT leave a credit card laying around with the computer logged on, a cell phone handy or Alexa enabled, just sayin...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits, Director Happy Fun Camp Time Share Sales at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (UFLLM)

115 97 America's 'prosperity is based on the want that is experienced in other parts of the world'

It sure is. Because there's a finite amount of wealth in the world. Always has been, always will be. Some dude in ancient Ur had $70 Trillion, he died without naming an heir , and we've been passing that stash around like Christmas fruitcake ever since.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 10:27 PM (2xR5z)

116 I had a phenomenal work ethic until I realized it didn't matter.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:16 PM (NWiLs)


Too true. But I don't want to encourage your negative waves.

Life is beautiful. Hurts like a bitch tho.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 10:27 PM (+lOpA)

117 Talk about no respect, I got in a cab and told the driver I was looking for a little action, he dropped me off at my house!

Posted by: R. Dangerfield at July 18, 2018 10:27 PM (nWc4E)

118 I can't seem to get the bare minimum amount of respect I need, if I want anyone else to join me.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:23 PM (km8m2)

Yeah. Thats why I'm a loner. I used to be accommodating. You just get abused. M

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 10:27 PM (Zmczq)

119 I been drinking whiskey and Manitou water something fierce and my question is "Is dey debbils in dem ole mountains?'.

Posted by: Eromero at July 18, 2018 10:27 PM (zLDYs)

120 Sorry - longtime lurker, but new to posting. This time with the link. Truly brilliant. http://www.sldforum.com/2018/07/success-like-constitute-russian-failure/

Posted by: Another Kansan at July 18, 2018 10:28 PM (1MndR)

121 96
Just below the fiber optic article on the Daily Dot is:

Bill Nye explains what would happen if all the sea ice melted
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 10:21 PM (IqV8l)


The earth would absorb more solar heat due to the loss of the reflective ice caps; the hotter oceans would release more water vapor which would precipitate increasing the perenial snow and ice pack; resulting in a new ice age with a few thousand years?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 18, 2018 10:28 PM (1g7ch)

122 You knew this was coming. look what they tried to do to Jim Jordan... now Kavanaugh.


https://truepundit.com/right-on-cue-kavanaugh-accused-of-hiding-sexual-harassment/
Posted by: redridinghood at July 18, 2018 10:21 PM (PvFoN)

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If you read the entire story, you will see they are not going to get him on this. It is the person he was clerking for who was accused of harrassment. Kavanaugh has 20 women who worked there stepping up to defend him.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 10:28 PM (yJ9Jf)

123 111 I've never owned a cat before.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 18, 2018 10:22 PM (kufk0)


My aunt hated cats til she had one. Broke her heart when the lil fart died.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 10:28 PM (+lOpA)

124 Hey! JT! I have not had one moron for dinner since ive been here.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob


What about appetizers ?

Regards to Heidi.

Posted by: JT at July 18, 2018 10:28 PM (HbLZX)

125 Jamelle Bouie shit on the Feel Good Story yesterday, something about transit service and evil capitalists buying goodwill.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 18, 2018 10:29 PM (cvabZ)

126

I hate pinned tweets. I just want to see if there is anything new posted for n an account but have to scroll down past the same pinned tweet I've seen 50 times before. I wish there was a way to hide those.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 18, 2018 10:29 PM (GtG/j)

127 Too true. But I don't want to encourage your negative waves.

Don't worry. My negativity is entirely self-sustaining.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:29 PM (NWiLs)

128 Those lovely beard-loving lasses would be considered fat today.....

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 10:29 PM (o1fzk)

129 Warbler, that is in Roughing It

And the Sheriff had decided to get tough on duelers and made noises about prosecuting both of them, so Clemens went to San Francisco all of a sudden.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 18, 2018 10:29 PM (2K6fY)

130 101
So my daughter has a kitten all picked out to adopt. I'll finalize the
paperwork tomorrow and pick her up Friday. I've never owned a cat
before.

Posted by: lin-duh at July 18, 2018 10:22 PM (kufk0)

When our first daughter was born, the cats learned that my wife could be induced to get up in the middle of the night. That was almost 30 years ago and the cats have been passing along the information to subsequent generations.
So don't.

Posted by: Off the reservation at July 18, 2018 10:29 PM (vWMNq)

131 108 Cannibal Bob, you, uh, mean you haven't had a Moron over for dinner, right? Don't you?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (wSC8T)

Lol. They've been invited but they're all very busy. Go figure.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 10:30 PM (Zmczq)

132 118 I can't seem to get the bare minimum amount of respect I need, if I want anyone else to join me.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:23 PM (km8m2)

Yeah. Thats why I'm a loner. I used to be accommodating. You just get abused. M
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 10:27 PM (Zmczq)

Yep. There's a reason for the saying that nice guys finish last.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:30 PM (NWiLs)

133 EM VISALIGN FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Mad Maxine's wighat at July 18, 2018 10:30 PM (BOhSR)

134 Tell the lefties that by the time those sea levels rise, everything will be wireless. So, don't worry.
Posted by: Roy at July 18, 2018 09:55 PM (ABjxW)

That whole story is bullshit. Cables meant for direct burial have to be waterproof. Soil is wet year-round in many places.

It's just more scare tactics/disinformation from the Gerbil Worming con artists.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 10:30 PM (bNb8V)

135 If you read the entire story, you will see they are not going to get him on this. It is the person he was clerking for who was accused of harrassment. Kavanaugh has 20 women who worked there stepping up to defend him.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 10:28 PM (yJ9Jf)
********************

I know... but that won't be the headlines on all the MSM networks.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 18, 2018 10:30 PM (PvFoN)

136 I've never been to Pee Pee Township, Ohio.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 18, 2018 10:30 PM (rnAwa)

137 Thanks for the welcome all. Especially for Miley . I kinda feel funny in my manly bits now :-)

Posted by: BigZesty at July 18, 2018 10:31 PM (tr7QR)

138
Because there's a finite amount of wealth in the world. Always has been, always will be. Some dude in ancient Ur had $70 Trillion, he died without naming an heir , and we've been passing that stash around like Christmas fruitcake ever since.
Posted by: 2009Refugee


Didn't they just say they discovered a kajillion dollars worth of diamonds? All you have to do is dig them up.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 10:31 PM (IqV8l)

139 This! You end up becoming a victim of your success, and your hard work/extra hours not only goes unappreciated -- it becomes expected.

Posted by: ShainS


I still show up to work on time everyday. But over the past 30+ years at my job. Jumping to finish a job that an engineer thinks is "HOT"was seldom recognized. But does mean they expect that same speed next time. So things like that have slowed over the years.

Posted by: X-ray at July 18, 2018 10:31 PM (YdakM)

140 Cats are the best parasites ever.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 10:31 PM (+lOpA)

141 So my daughter has a kitten all picked out to adopt. I'll finalize the
paperwork tomorrow and pick her up Friday. I've never owned a cat
before.

Posted by: lin-duh at July 18, 2018 10:22 PM (kufk0)

Oh you are in for some fun times. But you cant have nice things any more.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 10:32 PM (Zmczq)

142 114




Lin-duh, your life is about to change for the better, mostly.



Pro-tip: If you have fragile ceramics, priceless Persian rugs, rare plants, those need to be put away.



Aquarium without a top or widely spaced bar bird cage, fix that.



Do NOT leave a credit card laying around with the computer logged on, a cell phone handy or Alexa enabled, just sayin...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits, Director Happy Fun Camp Time Share Sales at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (UFLLM)


Killjoy.

Posted by: Kitten at July 18, 2018 10:32 PM (SV/HG)

143 I've never owned a cat before.
Posted by: lin-duh

They hate you in a loving way, or love you in a hateful way. Just depends on their mood.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 10:33 PM (2xR5z)

144 Hey JT. Finger food, Heid has been inPhilly for a few days so I'm starting to buy a boat. Anchor.. next time she leaves the engine....

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 10:33 PM (Zmczq)

145 Didn't they just say they discovered a kajillion dollars worth of diamonds? All you have to do is dig them up.

Yes, and it will only cost you a billion kajillion dollars to dig'm up. You'll lose money on the deal.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 10:33 PM (roQNm)

146 Ellison claimed in an interview with progressive activist Rabbi Michael Lerner that America's "prosperity is based on the want that is experienced in other parts of the world"

Ah, he is familiar with Lenin's save of Marx's prediction that capitalism would impoverish the working class in Europe.

It WOULD have, so St. Karl was absolutely right, except that those canny capitalists exported their poverty to the Third World, impoverishing them instead.

And the missing heat is lurking in the deep ocean, biding its time ... (cue Jaws theme)

'Cause everybody knows heat sinks.

William of Ockham sobs.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 10:34 PM (ez9Rh)

147 Oh you are in for some fun times. But you cant have nice things any more.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 10:32 PM (Zmczq)


Of course she can. She should be sure to place the fragile nice things up high on mantle. That way the kitty enjoys it more when they hit the floor and shatter.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 18, 2018 10:34 PM (/3v/C)

148 145 Didn't they just say they discovered a kajillion dollars worth of diamonds? All you have to do is dig them up.

Yes, and it will only cost you a billion kajillion dollars to dig'm up. You'll lose money on the deal.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 10:33 PM (roQNm)

They'll make it up on volume.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:34 PM (NWiLs)

149 Once I submit charges I am out of the loop: The FBI does not comment on ongoing investigations.
Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 10:06 PM (pCa05)

What makes you think the FBI does anything more than toss those complaints in the round file? Seeing as the "institution" is larded with Deep Staters?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 10:34 PM (bNb8V)

150 Talk about no respect, I got in a cab and told the driver I was looking for a little action, he dropped me off at my house!
Posted by: R. Dangerfield at July 18, 2018 10:27 PM (nWc4E)

--------------------

My girlfriend called me up and said "Come on over. Nobody's home!"

So I went over. Nobody was home!

Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 18, 2018 10:34 PM (+F0Wk)

151 Do NOT leave a credit card laying around with the computer logged on, a cell phone handy or Alexa enabled, just sayin...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits, Director Happy Fun Camp Time Share Sales at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (UFLLM)

else the cute little puddy tat will ring up $600 in cat toys faster than you can say jumpin' jehoshaphat!

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 10:34 PM (QLvwG)

152 Didn't they just say they discovered a kajillion dollars worth of diamonds? All you have to do is dig them up.

Fun fact: diamonds are actually pretty common. They're valuable because the diamond cartel keeps them scarce.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 10:35 PM (ez9Rh)

153 *What part of Misanthropic don't you understand? *

We kinda think of you as The Grinch Who Stole Christmas. Only you are at the part where his heart grew 3 sizes that day.

Posted by: tbodie at July 18, 2018 10:35 PM (GPhem)

154 Like you all said, I think I need to just start
planning my own vacations, by myself, in the future. They never seem to
want to compromise either; just, "I'm right and you're wrong!" I can't
seem to get the bare minimum amount of respect I need, if I want anyone
else to join me.
Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:23 PM (km8m2)


After Mom died, I spent holidays with my Dad, but he spent holidays with his girlfriend's family, and they resented having strangers in on their special time.

I decided that an afternoon of poorly cooked food while being snubbed was not how I wanted to spend a couple of my 10 federal holidays, and I decided that I wanted to spend time with people I actually enjoyed being with.

Often it is me and the cats.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 18, 2018 10:35 PM (2K6fY)

155 I know... but that won't be the headlines on all the MSM networks.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 18, 2018 10:30 PM (PvFoN)

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Sure, but he has PDT, with his bully pulpit and twatter account on his side. PDT can talk to the public right over those presstitutes.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 10:36 PM (yJ9Jf)

156 Peter Strzok was working in a joint CIA/FBI position when he investigated Clinton. He was part of a special position called "Section 811", making him a sort of hybrid FBI/CIA employee. His position was Section Chief, Counterespionage (that's not his FBI title).
Within the text messages he crows about receiving a CIA coin from John Brennan.

Posted by: PrayForMojo at July 18, 2018 10:36 PM (O4ERn)

157 60 Want to hear something crazy? It's coming out that Peter Strzok was actually a CIA agent - likely hand picked by Brennan for elevation to the top of the FBI. Oh, and he was raised in Iran.
Posted by: PrayForMojo


Politics aside, that is crazy all right. Given the way he testified with the smirky demeanor, he comes across as someone who has the emotional development of a 12 year old, middle school brat. I can't understand why anyone would give him a promotion unless his daddy owns the company. It makes you wonder just how low the standards are in federal agencies.

I have to give props to the people who questioned him in that they had the self control to not bitch slap him.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 10:37 PM (+lVUW)

158 So a few weeks ago at the bar, a few beers in, I was having a conversation with a former Buffalo resident relocated South.

For some reason the topic of homosexuality came up and he posited that homosexuality was genetic. I asked him, that if homosexuality was genetic, why wouldn't things like pedophilia, beastiality, necrophilia, etc also be genetic.

He said it wasn't the same. I countered that if sexual predilection is hardwired via DNA, that would invariably mean ALL sexual predisposition is merely a genetic code. That to rationalize otherwise would be like saying brown eyes and blue eyes were genetic, but green eyes or hazel eyes were not.

Long story, somewhat shortened, he got very angry with me to the point of yelling at me.

Today, I came across this TED speech where this is exactly the new trope being pushed.

I know others in the Horde have been with me in recognizing that normalizing pedophilia is the next step in sexual deviancy.

Thought I'd share the link...

https://tinyurl.com/yczrrflr

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 10:37 PM (PUbuW)

159 Thanks for the welcome all. Especially for Miley . I kinda feel funny in my manly bits now :-)
Posted by: BigZesty at July 18, 2018 10:31 PM (tr7QR)

------------------

There's a cream for that...

Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 18, 2018 10:37 PM (+F0Wk)

160 " What part of Misanthropic don't you understand?"

The part where turning into a wolf has anything to do with the discussion at hand?

Posted by: Heresolong at July 18, 2018 10:37 PM (spsWF)

161 Those beard gals would not be considered fat today. This is not the 1980s anymore. Given the present Hindenberg size of human beings, those beard gals are positively svelte.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at July 18, 2018 10:37 PM (H5knJ)

162 Of course she can. She should be sure to place the fragile nice things up high on mantle. That way the kitty enjoys it more when they hit the floor and shatter.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 18, 2018 10:34 PM (/3v/C)

LMAO! That is scary true.

*crash!*

Heidi "what was that?"

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 10:37 PM (Zmczq)

163 They hate you in a loving way, or love you in a hateful way. Just depends on their mood.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 10:33 PM (2xR5z)



It's a love/hate type thing.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 10:38 PM (+lOpA)

164 So... there's a delicious story at Zero Hedge.

Seems Putin wants to chat up Obama's Russian Ambassador.

The guy actually tweets: "Did he [Putin] suggest that I was part of some alleged money laundering scheme?"

Umm... no one said anything about money laundering.

Except Obamas former ambassador.

LOL.

Posted by: shibumi at July 18, 2018 10:38 PM (AHNMM)

165 That whole story is bullshit. Cables meant for direct burial have to be waterproof. Soil is wet year-round in many places.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 10:30 PM (bNb8V)


Wait - isn't that why there are no cables that run under water?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 10:38 PM (ez9Rh)

166 Insom, Cannibal Bob and Kindltot, yup.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:38 PM (km8m2)

167 Uncle Jed! I wanna be a double naught spy like Peter Strzok!

Posted by: Jethro at July 18, 2018 10:39 PM (SV/HG)

168 *I've never been to Pee Pee Township, Ohio.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 18, 2018 10:30 PM (rnAwa)*

I go to Pee Pee Township every morning. I never make it to Ohio, though.

Posted by: tbodie at July 18, 2018 10:39 PM (GPhem)

169 Calm Mentor, this is why Rosie the Ribbiter demanded an army of lawyers to investigate Kavanaugh. He's a full-on Deep State toadie, and he wanted to assist the Dems in finding even the tiniest speck of dirt on our next Supreme Court Justice.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 10:39 PM (wSC8T)

170 Like you all said, I think I need to just start planning my own vacations, by myself, in the future. They never seem to want to compromise either; just, "I'm right and you're wrong!" I can't seem to get the bare minimum amount of respect I need, if I want anyone else to join me.
Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:23 PM (km8m2)
The problem is you keep capitulating. Just go, do what you want to do, and the hell with them.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:26

Indeed, just go have your fun steve,

Posted by: Farmer at July 18, 2018 10:39 PM (yJ1e6)

171 I was the good son. My sister is the one who swindled mom out of over ten grand over the years, and then banned our mom from her wedding.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 18, 2018 10:39 PM (/3v/C)

172 Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 10:37 PM

That's sad.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 10:40 PM (roQNm)

173 So many people are upset at being told that almonds don't lactate...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/y76sx3mh

Posted by: The Mammalian Hat at July 18, 2018 10:40 PM (itfg0)

174 126

I hate pinned tweets. I just want to see if there is anything new posted for n an account but have to scroll down past the same pinned tweet I've seen 50 times before. I wish there was a way to hide those.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 18, 2018 10:29 PM (GtG/j)


Those don't show up under the "tweets and replies" tab.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 18, 2018 10:41 PM (cvabZ)

175 Farmer, yup.
Thanks everyone.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:41 PM (km8m2)

176 Just below the fiber optic article on the Daily Dot is:

Bill Nye explains what would happen if all the sea ice melted
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 10:21 PM (IqV8l)

And the answer is: absolutely nothing. Sea ice, by definition, is floating, and therefore in equilibrium with water below. Prove it to yourself. Float an ice cube in a tumbler of water, and fill the tumbler to the brim with a dropper. Let the ice melt.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 10:41 PM (bNb8V)

177 Of course she can. She should be sure to place the fragile nice things up high on mantle. That way the kitty enjoys it more when they hit the floor and shatter.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 18, 2018 10:34 PM (/3v/C)

------------------------

Growing up, I had a cat that could walk along a 4" wide shelf full of knick-knacks without knocking a single thing off the shelf. She oddly wasn't inclined to bat things off of high places.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 18, 2018 10:41 PM (+F0Wk)

178 >>>Want to hear something crazy? It's coming out that Peter Strzok was
actually a CIA agent - likely hand picked by Brennan for elevation to
the top of the FBI. Oh, and he was raised in Iran.<<<

Now would be a good time to break out the Former VP Warcock's signature Waterboarding Kit and give it a test drive.



Posted by: Fritz at July 18, 2018 10:42 PM (RfYYV)

179 Who needs the Paris Climate Agreement?
--------------

I proudly note that Turkmenistan is a leader in the reduction of CO2 emisions.

Posted by: Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow, President of Turkmenistan at July 18, 2018 10:42 PM (rYk7m)

180 Hiya Miley !



Sorry to hear of your troubles.



Is your brother getting any better ?

Posted by: JT at July 18, 2018 10:18 PM (HbLZX)

Sadly, no. Today he's rooted firmly in the 70s.
This is weird beyond belief.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:42 PM (txw6d)

181 Thanks for the added detail, Kindltot! I was not aware of that.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 10:43 PM (wSC8T)

182 Kindlot. I find cats great company. And they like to nap.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 10:43 PM (Zmczq)

183 180 Hiya Miley !



Sorry to hear of your troubles.



Is your brother getting any better ?

Posted by: JT at July 18, 2018 10:18 PM (HbLZX)

Sadly, no. Today he's rooted firmly in the 70s.
This is weird beyond belief.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:42 PM (txw6d)

Sounds like a case of Disco Fever.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:44 PM (NWiLs)

184 158
Thought I'd share the link...



https://tinyurl.com/yczrrflr

----

Ann Barnhardt shared this link recently:

https://tinyurl.com/yb9lq2ug

Claiming the opposite.

Posted by: Off the reservation at July 18, 2018 10:44 PM (vWMNq)

185 An anagram for Keith Ellison is "Ho-like Tinsel".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 10:44 PM (GXOTw)

186 Wait - isn't that why there are no cables that run under water?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 10:38 PM (ez9Rh)

Sigh.

Posted by: TransAtlantic Cable 05 Aug 1858 at July 18, 2018 10:44 PM (QLvwG)

187 Secret Agent Man... https://tinyurl.com/kfwwp9r

Posted by: Johnny Rivers at July 18, 2018 10:44 PM (SV/HG)

188 I dunno. He was acting like he was on something too, no way he wound up in that position smirking like a 15 year old theater-geek who thinks he just delivered a sick burn.

I am going to guess something to keep the energy level up and something to keep him stable.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 18, 2018 10:44 PM (2K6fY)

189 Just remember, Fritz... it's not actually waterboarding if you use diesel.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 10:45 PM (wSC8T)

190 Heart and R have the rock in the wrong hand.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 18, 2018 10:45 PM (Zskvw)

191 179 I proudly note that Turkmenistan is a leader in the reduction of CO2 emisions.


Derb? Is that you?

Posted by: Off the reservation at July 18, 2018 10:45 PM (vWMNq)

192 For some reason the topic of homosexuality came up and he posited that homosexuality was genetic. I asked him, that if homosexuality was genetic, why wouldn't things like pedophilia, beastiality, necrophilia, etc also be genetic.

He said it wasn't the same. I countered that if sexual predilection is hardwired via DNA, that would invariably mean ALL sexual predisposition is merely a genetic code. That to rationalize otherwise would be like saying brown eyes and blue eyes were genetic, but green eyes or hazel eyes were not.

Long story, somewhat shortened, he got very angry with me to the point of yelling at me.

Today, I came across this TED speech where this is exactly the new trope being pushed.

I know others in the Horde have been with me in recognizing that normalizing pedophilia is the next step in sexual deviancy.

Thought I'd share the link... https://tinyurl.com/yczrrflr
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 10:37 PM (PUbuW)


It's worse than that, and proof that they're stupid. Surely they realize that, if various sexual deviancies were in fact genetic, in the Mendelian sense, they've just provided an excellent rationale for eugenics?

My take: said deviancies are not strictly genetic, in the Mendelian sense, but rather result from the confluence of genetic predispositions that lead to developmental errors. For example, lower/higher testosterone levels in utero, or lower/higher affinity in testosterone receptors in the fetus in utero.

In that respect, rather like cleft palate, a combination of genetic, environmental factors, and plain bad luck.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 10:45 PM (ez9Rh)

193 170 Like you all said, I think I need to just start planning my own vacations, by myself, in the future. They never seem to want to compromise either; just, "I'm right and you're wrong!" I can't seem to get the bare minimum amount of respect I need, if I want anyone else to join me.
Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:23 PM (km8m2)
The problem is you keep capitulating. Just go, do what you want to do, and the hell with them.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:26

Indeed, just go have your fun steve,
Posted by: Farmer at July 18, 2018 10:39 PM (yJ1e6)

Yup, even with Lady Friends... its...

I'm going to Virginia City this weekend to play cowboy and drink.... want to come?

or, I'm going skiing, I know you don't ski, but you can come up to Tahoe with me and we can hang out...

Posted by: Don Q at July 18, 2018 10:45 PM (NgKpN)

194 Indeed, just go have your fun steve,



Posted by: Farmer at July 18, 2018 10:39 PM (yJ1e6)


Seconded!

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 10:46 PM (QLvwG)

195 189 Just remember, Fritz... it's not actually waterboarding if you use diesel.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 10:45 PM (wSC8T)


And so is Valu-Rite boarding born.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 10:46 PM (ez9Rh)

196 Love that picture, looks like it could be a part of the Superstitions, but not quite sure.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 10:46 PM (V2Yro)

197 It will probably take a while for the kitten to get used to you. Whenit does they are fun and funny, but can be exhausting.


I am not a cat person. I sort of have one. Not my choice.

I think the best you can hope for is a truce.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 10:46 PM (fuK7c)

198 Heh! Listened to a song the other day called Dinosaur by Hank Williams Jr. It was damn funny. Would not pass the Wokiness test of today though.

https://youtu.be/imNRmIujsPk

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 18, 2018 10:47 PM (20X6f)

199 Wow, impressive picture. Which of you morons took a summer trip to Mordor?

Posted by: WaitingForMartel at July 18, 2018 10:47 PM (6bC+P)

200 I'm going to Virginia City this weekend to play cowboy and drink.... want to come?
--

Don't forget to visit the museum of prostitution. It's interesting AND informative!

Posted by: shibumi at July 18, 2018 10:47 PM (AHNMM)

201 My take: said deviancies are not strictly genetic, in the Mendelian sense, but rather result from the confluence of genetic predispositions that lead to developmental errors. For example, lower/higher testosterone levels in utero, or lower/higher affinity in testosterone receptors in the fetus in utero.

In that respect, rather like cleft palate, a combination of genetic, environmental factors, and plain bad luck.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 10:45 PM (ez9Rh)

If Gay was genetic, as Gay people do not breed anywhere near the rate of straights...

Wouldn't it die out in a few generations? Vice what we are seeing today? where it seems to be expanding?

Even a recessive Gene that is counter procreation, would eventually die out.

Posted by: Don Q at July 18, 2018 10:48 PM (NgKpN)

202 Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:23 PM (km8m2)

Frankly, IMO, worth all you paid for it, you've got more fundamental problems at work here.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 10:48 PM (ez9Rh)

203 Wait, I thought this happened 15 years ago?? along with the North Pole melting.


Posted by: Puddleglum at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (20X6f)

That's why it's now called the North Pool.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:48 PM (txw6d)

204 I can't understand why anyone would give him a promotion unless his daddy owns the company. It makes you wonder just how low the standards are in federal agencies.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 10:37 PM (+lVUW)
_______________________________

Stzrok's father (Peter Strzok, Sr,) did two military tours in Iran in the run-up to the overthrow of the Shah. He 'happened' to be in Iran when the revolution occurred. He was being employed by Bell Helicopter at the time.
Company indeed.

Posted by: PrayForMojo at July 18, 2018 10:48 PM (O4ERn)

205 200 I'm going to Virginia City this weekend to play cowboy and drink.... want to come?
--

Don't forget to visit the museum of prostitution. It's interesting AND informative!
Posted by: shibumi at July 18, 2018 10:47 PM (AHNMM)

Is the Cocaine Museum next door?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:48 PM (NWiLs)

206 I proudly note that Turkmenistan is a leader in the reduction of CO2 emisions.


Derb? Is that you?

Posted by: Off the reservation
-----------------

Ah! A fellow Derbphile.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 10:48 PM (/lkI0)

207 Bamdersnatch, I "own" two cats and, yep, you're right; it's basically a truce.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 10:48 PM (wSC8T)

208 Don Q, yup.

I have a hunch that if I had *any* social alternatives to family, they would respect me more. I've got them to hang out with and *that's it,* and they know it.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:48 PM (km8m2)

209 I don't have nice things so I'm not worried about that, check. Got the screens back on the reptile tanks, Check. Already spent $300 on cat crap BEFORE picking out said cat, check. Gotta spend another $100 on food and treats tomorrow, check. Good thing I'm saving SO MUCH MONEY ON THIS FREE CAT!!!///
She is pretty darn cute though. Solid grey, think Russian Blue, with a tiny white spot on her chest and green eyes. Husband wanted to name her Collusion but daughter decided on Bleu.

Posted by: lin-duh at July 18, 2018 10:48 PM (kufk0)

210 My take: said deviancies are not strictly genetic, in the Mendelian sense, but rather result from the confluence of genetic predispositions that lead to developmental errors. For example, lower/higher testosterone levels in utero, or lower/higher affinity in testosterone receptors in the fetus in utero.

In that respect, rather like cleft palate, a combination of genetic, environmental factors, and plain bad luck.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 10:45 PM (ez9Rh)


My theory has been for a while that while homosexual attraction is likely genetic, the impulse for homosexual behaviors is driven by a wider array of genetic and environmental factors.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 18, 2018 10:49 PM (/3v/C)

211 Calm Mentor, this is why Rosie the Ribbiter demanded an army of lawyers to investigate Kavanaugh. He's a full-on Deep State toadie, and he wanted to assist the Dems in finding even the tiniest speck of dirt on our next Supreme Court Justice.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 10:39 PM (wSC8T)

------------

I've heard it both ways. 1. Rosenpenis is on a vendetta tongather dirt, and, 2. This is a courtesy that Justice has afforded Congress with many SCOTUS picks.

I'm not too worried, as PDT has not disappointed me with his instincts or decisions yet, with the possible exception of the appointment of Sessions. That one was very early on though.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 10:49 PM (yJ9Jf)

212 The problem is you keep capitulating. Just go, do what you want to do, and the hell with them.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (NWiLs)

Sounds good. You do that, too.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:49 PM (txw6d)

213 Is the Cocaine Museum next door?
--

Hmmm... I do not recall that being there.

But I visited a long time ago.

So... perhaps?

Posted by: shibumi at July 18, 2018 10:49 PM (AHNMM)

214 Deplorable Jay: no argument. I've always cared far more about what other people think of me, than is healthy.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:49 PM (km8m2)

215 Gayness would seem to contradict survival of the species.

Now that you mention it.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 10:49 PM (+lOpA)

216 Miley, thanks.
Wish I could take you... :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:50 PM (km8m2)

217 199 Which of you morons took a summer trip to Mordor?


Parts of Hawaii look quite like Mordor lately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWcdzYZSbXk

Posted by: Off the reservation at July 18, 2018 10:50 PM (vWMNq)

218 Don Q, gays don't reproduce. They recruit. This is why control of the schools is so important.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 10:50 PM (wSC8T)

219 On a sunny note, today I saw a Prius stranded on the side of the 4 lane US Hwy.

When I drove back in the opposite direction an hour plus later, someone was fueling up the car with a gas can.

Yes, I broke out laughing out loud in my car.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 10:50 PM (3Pma+)

220 I think the best you can hope for is a truce.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 10:46 PM (fuK7c).

I could make a wife joke here but naaaah.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 10:51 PM (Zmczq)

221 212 The problem is you keep capitulating. Just go, do what you want to do, and the hell with them.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:26 PM (NWiLs)

Sounds good. You do that, too.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:49 PM (txw6d)

Which part? I've been a "nice guy" for far too long, but I don't have anything I want to do anymore - at least not that's attainable.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:51 PM (NWiLs)

222 My take: said deviancies are not strictly genetic, in the Mendelian sense, but rather result from the confluence of genetic predispositions that lead to developmental errors. For example, lower/higher testosterone levels in utero, or lower/higher affinity in testosterone receptors in the fetus in utero.

In that respect, rather like cleft palate, a combination of genetic, environmental factors, and plain bad luck.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 10:45 PM (ez9Rh)


So you more or less believe it is a medical malady, generally with a pre-natal origin. That's an interesting though with homosexuality.

But how does that reconcile other deviancy, or are the two separate (essentially homosexuality and heterosexuality are hormonally driven, but other deviancy is strictly a mental disorder)?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 10:51 PM (PUbuW)

223 Stzrok's father (Peter Strzok, Sr,) did two military tours in Iran in the run-up to the overthrow of the Shah. He 'happened' to be in Iran when the revolution occurred. He was being employed by Bell Helicopter at the time.
Company indeed.
Posted by: PrayForMojo
------------

Dots, connected.

As an aside, knew a guy whose uncle 'worked' for AID. The correlation between his visits to sundry countries and ensuing upheavals was remarkable.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 10:51 PM (JEV/2)

224 I think the best you can hope for is a truce.

Posted by: Bandersnatch

Buying the timed feeder overwhelmed kitty's OODA loop. Once she realized NOTHING she did was going to end with us putting food in her bowl, and that she was forced to wait for the Machine God, she decided to just be a fun furry part of the household.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 10:51 PM (2xR5z)

225 If Gay was genetic, as Gay people do not breed anywhere near the rate of straights...

Wouldn't it die out in a few generations? Vice what we are seeing today? where it seems to be expanding?

Even a recessive Gene that is counter procreation, would eventually die out.
Posted by: Don Q at July 18, 2018 10:48 PM (NgKpN)


Which is why I reject the straight (?) Mendelian genetic hypothesis.

Consider instead my conjecture: there is a (probably genetic) range of sexual hormone secretion in the mother's blood, there is a (probably genetic) range of sexual hormone sensitivity in the receptors in the fetus, and when those two factors wobble one way you get a hypermasculine male child, or a lesbian female one, or vice versa, but generally in a case of physiological vector addition, you get something in between, i.e., normal.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 10:51 PM (ez9Rh)

226 If you spent 400 bucks on a kitteh you are a softy.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 10:51 PM (+lOpA)

227 Distant Early Warning - eh, that was when Rush started to suck. Why not By-tor and the Snow Dog?

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 10:52 PM (V2Yro)

228 Ah! A fellow Derbphile.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 10:48 PM (/lkI0)

He was on "happy homelands" recently. Video broadcast from inside the Derb Mansion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_9MMxs8DP8

Posted by: Off the reservation at July 18, 2018 10:53 PM (vWMNq)

229 Gayness would seem to contradict survival of the species.

Now that you mention it.
Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 10:49 PM (+lOpA)

Perhaps it's a way for the unfit to self-select themselves out of the gene pool.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 10:53 PM (bNb8V)

230 And this is one of the many reasons I'm so goddamn bitter. "Be a nice guy. Keep your head down and work hard. Do what's right." All this got me fuck-all.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:53 PM (NWiLs)

231

Vacations have never worked for me. In one case I took two weeks and when I returned to work they said, "While you were gone, we discovered that we don't need you." and I was terminated.

So I"ve always made it a practice to quit my job before going on vacation.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 10:54 PM (roQNm)

232 Ken Levine, who unfortunately has (like all his H'wood buddies) been melting down lately over Trump, just wrote a piece at his blog, where he admits he wrote a short play for a playwright festival that was political-oriented.

He admits he wrote a quickie two-actor play with his own anti-Trump/anti-GOP agenda, and that it was easy for him. So easy in fact, he feels like he kind of shortchanged himself and the audience. But on the other hand, he between-the-lines admits he wouldn't want to challenge himself enough to write anything else. So he's conflicted. Anyway, it's an interesting piece.

http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2018/07/political-plays.html

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:54 PM (km8m2)

233 I'm with you, mostly, Calm Mentor. I do think it's pretty extraordinary for the acting AG to throw the DoJ's resources into digging up dirt on a Supreme Court nominee, because that's not the DoJ's job (it's the Senate's job, if anyone), but I also don't expect much to come of it because, yeah, Trump does his homework.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 10:54 PM (wSC8T)

234 Ann Barnhardt shared this link recently:

https://tinyurl.com/yb9lq2ug

Claiming the opposite.

Posted by: Off the reservation at July 18, 2018 10:44 PM (vWMNq)

...

I happen to agree with your link.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 10:54 PM (PUbuW)

235 208 Don Q, yup.

I have a hunch that if I had *any* social alternatives to family, they would respect me more. I've got them to hang out with and *that's it,* and they know it.
Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:48 PM (km8m2)

Then.... Hobby...

I recently started taking Tango Lessons... on a whim...

Place is full of Women... Girlfriend (who is taking them with me) is kind of pissed.


There are lots of lonely people out there, its just a question of how to meet.

Posted by: Don Q at July 18, 2018 10:54 PM (NgKpN)

236 Saw a dude's truck today all done up with Trump swag, and a picture in the back of the JEF and a donkey was captioned, "does this ass make my truck look big?"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 18, 2018 10:55 PM (BRvh1)

237 Stzrok's father (Peter Strzok, Sr,) did two military tours in Iran in
the run-up to the overthrow of the Shah. He 'happened' to be in Iran
when the revolution occurred. He was being employed by Bell Helicopter
at the time.

Company indeed.

Posted by: PrayForMojo


Bell Helicopter? Not Ace Tomato Company or Universal Exports?

How ordinary.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 10:55 PM (QLvwG)

238 Our society is falling apart. Social contracts and social contract theory is out the window. We live in a caste system and our judicial system is beyond repair.

Posted by: 1st world problems yoga studio at July 18, 2018 10:55 PM (qFAqW)

239 He was on "happy homelands" recently. Video broadcast from inside the Derb Mansion:
------------

I'll watch it. Does he brandish his Mossberg Model 500?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 10:56 PM (JEV/2)

240 Cannibal Bob, I had a wife once. She was delicious.

Posted by: Zombie Idi Amin at July 18, 2018 10:56 PM (wSC8T)

241 Gay doesn't "die out" because the relationship between a gay individual and society, when looked at in terms of pure survivability, is the same relationship as that between a healthy body and a non-metastasizing cancer cell. It will eventually die off, but disease always returns. It's simply a perversion of the original copy, literally.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 10:56 PM (V2Yro)

242 44

Apparently Danica Patrick hosts an awards show about as well as she drives a stock car.




Posted by: Mark1971



Took out half of the audience?

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, nee MrCaniac at July 18, 2018 10:56 PM (fdTrp)

243 Thanks for the welcome all. Especially for Miley . I kinda feel funny in my manly bits now :-)

Posted by: BigZesty at July 18, 2018 10:31 PM (tr7QR)

Party in your pants!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 10:57 PM (txw6d)

244 Consider instead my conjecture: there is a (probably genetic) range of sexual hormone secretion in the mother's blood, there is a (probably genetic) range of sexual hormone sensitivity in the receptors in the fetus, and when those two factors wobble one way you get a hypermasculine male child, or a lesbian female one, or vice versa, but generally in a case of physiological vector addition, you get something in between, i.e., normal.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 10:51 PM (ez9Rh)

But that does not explain twins, where one is gay, and one is straight...

Posted by: Don Q at July 18, 2018 10:57 PM (NgKpN)

245 I think "doing what is right" is one of those things that has to be its own reward, because it's often unattractive, unenjoyable, or detrimental.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at July 18, 2018 10:57 PM (H5knJ)

246 I happen to agree with your link.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 10:54 PM (PUbuW)

He had an interesting theory that I had not heard before. Really makes sense. I doubt it accounts for 100% and there probably is *some* genetic influence but it's quite compelling.

Posted by: Off the reservation at July 18, 2018 10:57 PM (vWMNq)

247 Then.... Hobby...

I recently started taking Tango Lessons... on a whim...

Place is full of Women... Girlfriend (who is taking them with me) is kind of pissed.


There are lots of lonely people out there, its just a question of how to meet.
Posted by: Don Q at July 18, 2018 10:54 PM (NgKpN)


Tango is a great way to meet women, but unfortunately for me the milongas wherever I've gone have been full of menopausal women. I'm hoping for better luck with a group here in Columbus at the university.

The best part, you're often dancing close embrace for 10-12 minutes with a woman who's dressed very well and constantly wrapping her legs around you...

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 18, 2018 10:57 PM (/3v/C)

248 Skandia, I can relate to that.

At my longest-lasting job, they needed me so much, they wouldn't allow me to really use any of my vacation time. At the same time, they had no respect for me (which I allowed), and refused to treat me as if I had any value.

Part of the reason I'm frankly sick of the whole working world. Bosses *always* want everything both ways. They want 100% loyalty, effort and results, but they don't ever want to have to pay what that level of quality is worth.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:57 PM (km8m2)

249 200 I'm going to Virginia City this weekend to play cowboy and drink.... want to come?
--

Don't forget to visit the museum of prostitution. It's interesting AND informative!

Posted by: shibumi at July 18, 2018 10:47 PM (AHNMM)


Virginia City is in Storey County where Prostittuion is still legal.

Posted by: The Silver State Hat at July 18, 2018 10:59 PM (itfg0)

250 Tango is a great way to meet women, but unfortunately for me the milongas wherever I've gone have been full of menopausal women. I'm hoping for better luck with a group here in Columbus at the university.

The best part, you're often dancing close embrace for 10-12 minutes with a woman who's dressed very well and constantly wrapping her legs around you...
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 18, 2018 10:57 PM (/3v/C)

I'm 59.... Menopausal IS my Dating range... LOL

Posted by: Don Q at July 18, 2018 10:59 PM (NgKpN)

251 240 Cannibal Bob, I had a wife once. She was delicious.
Posted by: Zombie Idi Amin at July 18, 2018 10:56 PM (wSC8T

and on that note. manana horde.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 10:59 PM (Zmczq)

252 I'll watch it. Does he brandish his Mossberg Model 500?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 10:56 PM (JEV/2)

No. But the kitchen is in the background and I think Rosie walked through at one point. Someone should point out to him that he might want to close the door to his study or change the camera angle.

Posted by: Off the reservation at July 18, 2018 10:59 PM (vWMNq)

253 They should take care that the regulations and measures they adopt are not a source of temptation by setting personal interest against that of the community.
Emphasis mine.
Posted by: tonypete


I interpreted that to mean that Sztrok shouldn't have been texting his whore during working hours.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 10:59 PM (+lVUW)

254 Don Q, hmmm.

I am thinking of taking more tennis lessons from my city's recreation department. They even moved the location of them to closer to where I live.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 11:00 PM (km8m2)

255 I'm 59.... Menopausal IS my Dating range... LOL
Posted by: Don Q at July 18, 2018 10:59 PM (NgKpN)

I'm 35, so it's not mine.

Vaya con dios, my friend...

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 18, 2018 11:00 PM (/3v/C)

256 nothing here that could interest you is a nice lyric

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 11:01 PM (PUmDY)

257 88 I have added the following to the complaint.
Further, the actions of the National Guardsmen, in failing to reject the illegal orders of the Governor, were clear violations of their oaths to "preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States..."
Posted by: An Observation


I used to think that the idea of government officials coming to take people's guns was crazy talk. Not any more.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 11:01 PM (+lVUW)

258 Also, lots of the people in the Virgin Islands are super liberals and former hippies.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 11:02 PM (+lVUW)

259 254 Don Q, hmmm.

I am thinking of taking more tennis lessons from my city's recreation department. They even moved the location of them to closer to where I live.
Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 11:00 PM (km8m2)

Perfect! Key is to get out there and see...


I've found that Fun is contagious... and as we get older, harder and harder to 'find'

Posted by: Don Q at July 18, 2018 11:02 PM (NgKpN)

260 So you more or less believe it is a medical malady, generally with a pre-natal origin. That's an interesting though with homosexuality.

But how does that reconcile other deviancy, or are the two separate (essentially homosexuality and heterosexuality are hormonally driven, but other deviancy is strictly a mental disorder)?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 10:51 PM (PUbuW)


First off, in the interests of full disclosure, I have no idea what I'm talking about, and am probably full of shit.

Having said that, I'd say I suspect deviancies fall into two broad classes, hetero- and homosexual.

Hyperheterosexual deviants I could see going in (?) for bestiality (any hole will do, species a secondary consideration), necrophilia (physiological status flexible), etc.

Notice that my conjecture accounts for the curious observation that male homosexuals traditionally act like females (interested in fashion, hair dressing, interior decorating, etc.), whereas female homosexuals traditionally go butch (overalls, flannel shirts, short haircuts, walk like sailors).

Most people reject as noxious the notion that hormones affect - maybe even control - behavior. To them I say, "How interested were you in the opposite sex when you were 10? How about when you were 15?"

QED.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:02 PM (ez9Rh)

261
I've found that Fun is contagious...
Posted by: Don Q


I've been vaccinated.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 11:04 PM (IqV8l)

262 230 And this is one of the many reasons I'm so goddamn bitter. "Be a nice guy. Keep your head down and work hard. Do what's right." All this got me fuck-all.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:53 PM (NWiLs)

Act in good faith. Follow the laws and rules. Supply experts, facts and laws and case laws. And in the end a judge will ignore it all if it means ruling in favor of a mom because feelz or something. Leave a courtroom after 5 years saying it will take a while to go over all the facts and case laws and evidence and affidavits and witnesses while mom produces nothing and gives a ruling at the last second that based on her notes this is it.

What a waste of time and resources and energy for about 12 people and putting my kids through this shit.

I've never been so destroyed as I am right now. It makes no sense. I have no idea how to start over or where to begin or anything.

Posted by: 1st world problems yoga studio at July 18, 2018 11:05 PM (qFAqW)

263 101....linduh ,

I didn't like cats myself expect two years ago, a feral kitten meowed at my door at 4am, after climbing a flight of steps to chase crickets, I opened the door, she walked in and never left. Good luck with the first baby, you won't regret as long as limits are set.

Posted by: Auscolpyr at July 18, 2018 11:05 PM (oFsfu)

264 I interpreted that to mean that Sztrok shouldn't have been texting his whors e during working hours.
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 10:59 PM (+lVUW)

Suggested edit.

Posted by: tbodie at July 18, 2018 11:05 PM (GPhem)

265 I used to think that the idea of government officials coming to take people's guns was crazy talk. Not any more.
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 11:01 PM (+lVUW)

-----------

Me either. Not since watching them in action during Katrina. Their first instinct and order in a crisis situation seems to be to round up the guns. Legalities of said actions be damned, it also seems to be how they were trained. Scary.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 11:06 PM (yJ9Jf)

266 1) The "split California into 3 states" initiative has been thrown off the ballot, so at least that feces, syringes & skeevy illegal alien dystopia won't be metasticizing.

2) A prop to repeal Orgegon's sanctuary state status HAS qualified for the Nov. GE ballot.

Posted by: strawdog at July 18, 2018 11:06 PM (Cssks)

267 Socialists are not only bad people, they are also extremely ungrateful for what has been done and how it has made the world a better place.

Posted by: Kindltot


My nephew's wife thinks we need more socialism. They have two kids in elementary school and she works ONE day a week.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 11:07 PM (+lVUW)

268 226 If you spent 400 bucks on a kitteh you are a softy.
Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 10:51 PM (+lOpA)

Or in need of couch time

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 11:07 PM (3Pma+)

269
My nephew's wife thinks we need more socialism. They have two kids in elementary school and she works ONE day a week.
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 11:07 PM (+lVUW)

Moar time for, but first you will blow me.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 11:08 PM (3Pma+)

270 238
Our society is falling apart. Social contracts and social contract
theory is out the window. We live in a caste system and our judicial
system is beyond repair.

Posted by: 1st world problems yoga studio at July 18, 2018 10:55 PM (qFAqW)


====

I've said it before: we need a good cataclysmic event and thinning of the herd. Part of me hopes I'm not around for it (going to be unimaginable tragedy) ... but part of me is thrilled by the prospect of experiencing and witnessing a second Renaissance.

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 11:08 PM (BiLU+)

271 Seriously, my wife's liver had hints of almond milk and lemon grass. You couldn't hope for a tastier wife!

Good night, Cannibal Bob!

Posted by: Zombie Idi Amin at July 18, 2018 11:08 PM (wSC8T)

272 But that does not explain twins, where one is gay, and one is straight...
Posted by: Don Q at July 18, 2018 10:57 PM (NgKpN)/i]

Sure it does. Are the two twins necessarily of the same size? Of equal athletic ability? They're genetically identical, but not necessarily entirely identical in their in utero environments.

I don't say that my conjecture accounts for all of the observations, necessarily, but I think it accounts for most of them.

I also think that environment does play a role, sometimes a crucial one. Suppose one of the twins is molested at a formative age, say on the cusp on puberty. Could that influence the future trajectory of his life? Of course it could.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:08 PM (ez9Rh)

273 on this topic, we should note that Male homosexuality quite a different thing than female homosexuality. Most of the male homosexuals I've known admire women, identify with women, want to be more like women. On the other hand, the vast majority of the female homosexuals I've known hate men and do not want to have anything to do with me. Also, those I have known have usually ended up relating that it stems from a time when they were badly mistreated and abused by a male authority figure, usually a close relative.

At least those are my personal observations.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 11:08 PM (V2Yro)

274 *waves at Horde*


I'm back from watching the latest episode of Yellowstone. Still can't decide if it's any good. I suppose I should give it points for intriguing me.

Now, Warbler, that is in Roughing It

I just finished Roughing It last week and I don't remember that bit.

I have become a huge Twain fanboi, but I don't get Roughing It. He goes back and forth between reportage on events, tall tales, experiments with accents, and literal transcriptions from his diaries. It really looks like he's being paid for words by the pound.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 11:08 PM (fuK7c)

275 Somehow I missed Rosenstein's excuse for assigning DOJ people to investigate all of Kavanaugh's past rulings. Anyone here know the rationale?

Posted by: girldog at July 18, 2018 11:09 PM (g5YYQ)

276 Miley, thanks.

Wish I could take you... :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 18, 2018 10:50 PM (km8m2)

And I wish I could come. Alas, I have to charge up all of these dildos.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 11:09 PM (txw6d)

277 I'm also the Black Sheep of the family, of course, my sister has a Wikipedia page, is a member of the National Academy of Science, has an asteroid officially named after her, and both she and my dad have work displayed in the Smithsonian - so pretty easy to be the Black Sheep in that family.

Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 11:10 PM (pCa05)

278 So Twitter is outraged that Russia wants McFaul for tampering in Russian elections.

Err...what did they think was going to happen after Mueller demanded a bunch of Russians for supposedly tampering in our election?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 18, 2018 11:10 PM (+DkQm)

279 230 And this is one of the many reasons I'm so goddamn bitter. "Be a nice guy. Keep your head down and work hard. Do what's right." All this got me fuck-all.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:53 PM (NWiLs)


Don't be bitter, my brother. Virtue is its own reward.

I mean that.

Consider the converse proposition: suppose you were a slimy underhanded two-faced fuck who got a lot of money, etc. Would you be happy? I wouldn't. I still would have to look myself in the mirror every morning when I shaved.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:10 PM (ez9Rh)

280 I think the bigger question regarding genetic predisposition is how we are to view it in the social contract.

The assumption has always been that if you are "born that way", we should then stop seeking to view an issue/activity/trait as a problem. The logic following along the lines of "he/she couldn't help it, it's a genetic compulsion ergo learn to accept it and stop villifying it".

That seems plausible when two consenting adults are deviant and there is no and apparent victim (though statistics show a shortened life span, higher rate of depression,suicide and STD, higher rates of anal cancer, etc among homosexuals).

But how are we to view a pedophile that is "genetically compelled"? Or for that matter a high-T male that is more predisposed to violence?

I'm sure John Stuart Mill could draw the line for us as to where we draw the line, unfortunately, given examples of judges taking children from their parents to allow them to undergo sexual reassignment (a misnomer) and the blurring of the lines as to what defines one's nose, I hold little belief that post-modernist thinkers will stop at what might be considered a logical line.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 11:10 PM (PUbuW)

281 Consider the converse proposition: suppose you were a slimy underhanded two-faced fuck who got a lot of money, etc. Would you be happy? I wouldn't. I still would have to look myself in the mirror every morning when I shaved.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:10 PM (ez9Rh)

Probably not. But there's got to be some happy medium or something that doesn't result in constantly getting fucked over.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 11:11 PM (NWiLs)

282 101 So my daughter has a kitten all picked out to adopt. I'll finalize the paperwork tomorrow and pick her up Friday. I've never owned a cat before.
Posted by: lin-duh


See if it likes to chase lasers. Some do, some don't, but the ones who do really get into it.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 11:11 PM (+lVUW)

283 273 on this topic, we should note that Male homosexuality quite a different thing than female homosexuality. Most of the male homosexuals I've known admire women, identify with women, want to be more like women. On the other hand, the vast majority of the female homosexuals I've known hate men and do not want to have anything to do with me. Also, those I have known have usually ended up relating that it stems from a time when they were badly mistreated and abused by a male authority figure, usually a close relative.

At least those are my personal observations.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 11:08 PM (V2Yro)


This is a good point. I've long believed that female sexuality is more plastic than male, although my wife disagrees.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:12 PM (ez9Rh)

284 This is a good point. I've long believed that female sexuality is more plastic than male, although my wife disagrees.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:12 PM (ez9Rh)

Female sexuality involves plastic more often.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 11:13 PM (NWiLs)

285 238
Our society is falling apart. Social contracts and social contract
theory is out the window. We live in a caste system and our judicial
system is beyond repair.

Posted by: 1st world problems yoga studio at July 18, 2018 10:55 PM (qFAqW)


=====

Funny story. 12 years ago we wanted to adopt two 3-year-old kitties from some Cat Rescue in SoCal. The interview was more intense than many job interviews I've had, and they insisted on seeing our home to make sure we would be proper "pet guardians" or whatever the PC term was.
So they ask us how much we're willing to spend to care for the cats if they have health issues. I'm afraid to say something too low for fear of being rejected, so I say "$50,000." My wife gave me that WTF look.
Anyway, we keep track of all our expenses, and now both cats have Chronic Kidney Disease -- our house has become an Assisted Living Facility for cats. And, so far, we've spent over $30,000 caring for them.
I've probably spent $500 over that period on my OWN health care ...

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 11:13 PM (BiLU+)

286 I used to think that the idea of government officials coming to take people's guns was crazy talk. Not any more.

***

I LOVE LOVE LOVE pointing out to liberals that was created the Revolutionary war was an attempt to by the government (of George III) to implement "reasonable gun control" on the colonists.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 18, 2018 11:13 PM (+DkQm)

287 Well, I'm gonna wander off, perchance to sleep.
I hope I made some small contribution to the evening.

The Horde is a very smart bunch of folks and thank you for allowing me to contribute what little I can.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 11:13 PM (roQNm)

288 Probably not. But there's got to be some happy medium or something that doesn't result in constantly getting fucked over.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 11:11 PM (NWiLs)


I say again, consider the converse, my brother. I'd have gotten further in academia if I'd played along to get along with things I fundamentally found repulsive. But I didn't, and paid a price.

And I'm glad I did. And would do it again. Gladly.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:14 PM (ez9Rh)

289 Crap -- that was supposed to be a response to spending money on cats!

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 11:14 PM (BiLU+)

290 Girldog, it is highly unusual, and I'm pretty sure the actual purpose is to help the Democrats at least take over the House and put an end to the current House investigations of the DoJ.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 11:14 PM (wSC8T)

291 I'm sure John Stuart Mill could draw the line for us as to where we draw the line, unfortunately, given examples of judges taking children from their parents to allow them to undergo sexual reassignment (a misnomer) and the blurring of the lines as to what defines one's nose, I hold little belief that post-modernist thinkers will stop at what might be considered a logical line.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 11:10 PM (PUbuW)

"Sexual Reassignment" surgery is straight-up vivisection, and should be a crime carrying the death penalty.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 11:15 PM (bNb8V)

292 287 Well, I'm gonna wander off, perchance to sleep.
I hope I made some small contribution to the evening.

The Horde is a very smart bunch of folks and thank you for allowing me to contribute what little I can.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 11:13 PM (roQNm)

Eh. We all have our niches. I've also come to realize I may be intelligent but I'm also pretty stupid.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 11:15 PM (NWiLs)

293 Cats are low maintenance. Give em a box to poop in and some kibbles and water.

Bing bang boom. Yadda yadda. Ipso facto.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 11:16 PM (+lOpA)

294 This is a good point. I've long believed that female sexuality is more plastic than male, although my wife disagrees.

***
Thinking back to college days I remember far more women "experimenting" then men. And pretty much all those women ended up married to a guy.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 18, 2018 11:16 PM (+DkQm)

295 The assumption has always been that if you are "born that way", we should then stop seeking to view an issue/activity/trait as a problem. The logic following along the lines of "he/she couldn't help it, it's a genetic compulsion ergo learn to accept it and stop villifying it".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 11:10 PM (PUbuW)


My riposte: suppose we determined that Jeffrey Dahmer - hell, Adolf Hitler - acted under genetic control. Wouldn't that present a compelling argument for purging the gene pool of such people as soon as they were detected?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:16 PM (ez9Rh)

296 Good night, Skandia Recluse!

Insomniac, that's how you know your mind is working properly. You're smart, but there's a lot you don't know, and you understand that.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 11:17 PM (wSC8T)

297 What makes you think the FBI does anything more than toss those
complaints in the round file? Seeing as the "institution" is larded with
Deep Staters?

The actual FBI agents that I have talked to at the local level are not Deep Staters - you'd like talking to them. They have no problem forwarding my complaints to the DOJ for prosecution, but that is where the problem lies.

Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 11:17 PM (pCa05)

298
Funny story. 12 years ago we wanted to adopt two 3-year-old kitties from some Cat Rescue in SoCal. The interview was more intense than many job interviews I've had, and they insisted on seeing our home to make sure we would be proper "pet guardians" or whatever the PC term was.
So they ask us how much we're willing to spend to care for the cats if they have health issues. I'm afraid to say something too low for fear of being rejected, so I say "$50,000." My wife gave me that WTF look.
Anyway, we keep track of all our expenses, and now both cats have Chronic Kidney Disease -- our house has become an Assisted Living Facility for cats. And, so far, we've spent over $30,000 caring for them.
I've probably spent $500 over that period on my OWN health care ...
Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 11:13 PM (BiLU+)

I would hate to see what I've spent on our dogs since 1982. We've had 2 spend time at the U of WI Vet School, been to countless ERs, our kitchen cupboard looks like a damn pharmacy.

Ours are so spoiled sounds like yours are to ShainS

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 11:18 PM (3Pma+)

299 I say again, consider the converse, my brother. I'd have gotten further in academia if I'd played along to get along with things I fundamentally found repulsive. But I didn't, and paid a price.

And I'm glad I did. And would do it again. Gladly.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:14 PM (ez9Rh)

Yeah...I guess. It just really bothers me on a very fundamental level.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 11:18 PM (NWiLs)

300 Girldog, it is highly unusual, and I'm pretty sure the actual purpose is to help the Democrats at least take over the House and put an end to the current House investigations of the DoJ.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 11:14 PM (wSC8T)

I just thought that Rosenstein must have given some sort of excuse as a cover. I'm assuming that I missed it amid all the leftist howling over everything else.


Posted by: girldog at July 18, 2018 11:19 PM (g5YYQ)

301 Thinking back to college days I remember far more women "experimenting" then men. And pretty much all those women ended up married to a guy.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 18, 2018 11:16 PM (+DkQm)


This.

Hence the LUD (lesbian until graduation) phenomenon. Sexual gratification, with no chance of pregnancy.

Furthermore, note that men are MUCH more prone to fetishes, i.e., abnormal sexual fixations. When do you hear about women who are into rubber, or shoes (OK, forget that one), or whatever? Males become imprinted at an early age, and like Konrad Lorenz's ducks, follow that forever.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:19 PM (ez9Rh)

302 LUD -->LUG

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:19 PM (ez9Rh)

303 Like you all said, I think I need to just start planning my own vacations, by myself, in the future.
Posted by: qdpsteve

Or, at least this time, they could come for part of the time and you could stay longer at the resort on your own. That way you'd have their company part of the time, and the rest of the time do things you like.

I took one of those bus tour vacations to Europe alone, and had a great time. But I'm a bit of a loner and really don't mind doing things alone. On some of these tours and cruises you end up spending some of your time socializing with others.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 11:20 PM (+lVUW)

304 I adopted one of my cats from a Denver shelter about, oh, twelve years ago, and it was really easy.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 11:20 PM (wSC8T)

305 282 101 So my daughter has a kitten all picked out to adopt. I'll finalize the paperwork tomorrow and pick her up Friday. I've never owned a cat before.
Posted by: lin-duh

See if it likes to chase lasers. Some do, some don't, but the ones who do really get into it.
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 18, 2018 11:11 PM (+lVUW)

Also, some advice for the new kitten: when we adopted two cats from the shelter, they advised us to keep them in one room for a week or so to get used to us and the new environment. So we put them in the guest room with the kitty litter box and fed them in there. Made sure to spend time with them in the room playing (too soon to really pet). Just a tip for a new pet.

Posted by: Iris at July 18, 2018 11:20 PM (kdgv3)

306 The actual FBI agents that I have talked to at the local level are not Deep Staters - you'd like talking to them. They have no problem forwarding my complaints to the DOJ for prosecution, but that is where the problem lies.
Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 11:17 PM (pCa05)

The scum rises to the top. James Comey, or whoever replaced him, uses your charges for butt-wipe.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 11:20 PM (bNb8V)

307 Insomniac, that's how you know your mind is working properly. You're smart, but there's a lot you don't know, and you understand that.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 11:17 PM (wSC8T)

Maybe. I do know that one of my biggest shortcomings (shut up) is that I generally don't understand people.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 11:20 PM (NWiLs)

308 lin-duh, i hope your daughter's kitten gets features on the pet thread - take lots of pics!

Posted by: IC at July 18, 2018 11:21 PM (PEJUg)

309 I'm seriously considering doing a press release after I file the Virgin Island charges - just to put a little pressure on the system.

Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 11:22 PM (pCa05)

310 And this is one of the many reasons I'm so goddamn bitter. "Be a nice
guy. Keep your head down and work hard. Do what's right." All this got
me fuck-all.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 10:53 PM
--

There's a book called "Neanderthals at Work" that explains why some people get ahead at work, why others do not.

The short story? Work hard and don't make waves is a lie.

The popular competitors who are extroverted get ahead people they are popular and like to compete, but not ncessarily competent. It's all about winning.

Posted by: shibumi at July 18, 2018 11:22 PM (AHNMM)

311
Crap -- that was supposed to be a response to spending money on cats!
Posted by: ShainS


The two parts seemed to fit together well anyway.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 11:22 PM (IqV8l)

312 Nobody understands people. Even people.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 11:22 PM (+lOpA)

313 Yeah...I guess. It just really bothers me on a very fundamental level.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 11:18 PM (NWiLs)


I understand. I really do. If I'd kissed the right butts, I'd be in the National Academy right now.

But I didn't. And I'm glad I didn't.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:22 PM (ez9Rh)

314 What a waste of time and resources and energy for about 12 people and putting my kids through this shit.

I've never been so destroyed as I am right now. It makes no sense. I have no idea how to start over or where to begin or anything.

Posted by: 1st world problems yoga studio at July 18, 2018 11:05 PM (qFAqW)"

So very sorry to hear that's how it turned out. Wish I could say it was rare, but it is sadly quite common - family law courts are cesspools of injustice, and no one ever seems to care.

About the only hope at this stage is that somewhere down the line she'll make a mistake. But that's a thin hope.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 11:22 PM (V2Yro)

315 Girldog, I don't think any sort of cover excuse was given. He basically just called up all the US Attorneys' offices and said, "I need all the lawyers you can spare for this. It's super-important!"

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 11:23 PM (wSC8T)

316
Virginia City is in Storey County where Prostittuion is still legal.
Posted by: The Silver State Hat
------------------

Paw, I've got to ride into town. Be back in a while.

Posted by: Hoss Cartwright at July 18, 2018 11:23 PM (CDGwz)

317 I adopted one of my cats from a Denver shelter about, oh, twelve years ago, and it was really easy.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 11:20 PM (wSC8T)

My kitty is a volunteer. One day, she just showed up in the shop, and I began feeding her, and that was that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 11:23 PM (bNb8V)

318 The short story? Work hard and don't make waves is a lie.

The popular competitors who are extroverted get ahead people they are popular and like to compete, but not ncessarily competent. It's all about winning.
Posted by: shibumi at July 18, 2018 11:22 PM (AHNMM)

Yup. It's all jockeying for position, kissing ass, glad handing, back slapping. It's all bullshit.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 11:23 PM (NWiLs)

319 Notice that my conjecture accounts for the curious observation that male homosexuals traditionally act like females (interested in fashion, hair dressing, interior decorating, etc.), whereas female homosexuals traditionally go butch (overalls, flannel shirts, short haircuts, walk like sailors).

....

Not to tit-for-tat you, but maybe to consider when fleshing in your theory.

While many of the social characteristics of homosexual males certainly trend towards societal female norms, oddly their sexual habits and characteristics tend to remain uniquely me in that homosexual males like their heterosexual counterparts tend to engage in sexual activity with a larger number of partners, with less courtship time before engaging in sexual activity, and with a greater propensity for infidelity, with shorter relationship lengths and with less emotional attachment.

In almost every way their sexual activity mirrors those of heterosexual males. Many clinicians actually count this as a factor for the greater degree of sexual related medical conditions in the homosexual community. That in homosexual male populations, having two male sexual patterns increases the amount of sexual activity as compared with the heterosexual activity which is generally limited by the female in the relationship in frequency and in social constructs in order for the hetero male to receive sexual engagement.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 11:23 PM (PUbuW)

320 Female sexuality involves plastic more often.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 11:13 PM (NWiLs)


[Woody to Buzz, pointing] Those are Andy's mom's toys. They have the same name as us!

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 11:24 PM (QLvwG)

321 The popular competitors who are extroverted get ahead people they are popular and like to compete, but not ncessarily competent. It's all about winning.
Posted by: shibumi at July 18, 2018 11:22 PM (AHNMM)


There's winning, and there's winning. It depends on what you mean by winning. People who tromp all over people, get to the top of the heap, who have no values, are detested by all who know them, and who die alone and unmourned - quite the contrary - are they winners?

You tell me.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:24 PM (ez9Rh)

322 The short story? Work hard and don't make waves is a lie.

The popular competitors who are extroverted get ahead people they are popular and like to compete, but not ncessarily competent. It's all about winning.
Posted by: shibumi at July 18, 2018 11:22 PM (AHNMM)


This is basically the reason for the self-employed. If your boss or coworkers are assholes it's your fault.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 11:24 PM (+lOpA)

323 Beautiful shot for the pic tonight. I was in Tucson recently, and we had rain. It was pretty amazing to go hiking later that day - though I never got to see colors like this.

Posted by: GWB at July 18, 2018 11:24 PM (IQ1ew)

324 308 lin-duh, i hope your daughter's kitten gets features on the pet thread - take lots of pics!
Posted by: IC at July 18, 2018 11:21 PM (PEJUg

Send cash as well, your kitty can go to the front of the list with a few Benjamins tossed my way.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 11:24 PM (3Pma+)

325 The scum rises to the top. James Comey, or whoever replaced him, uses your charges for butt-wipe.
Yes, I know that, but charges are not the end of the legal ammo I have researched, if the charges all vanish into the ether, I'll bring out some heavier legal artillery.

Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 11:25 PM (pCa05)

326 Good night, everyone!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 11:25 PM (wSC8T)

327 Maybe. I do know that one of my biggest shortcomings (shut up) is that I generally don't understand people.
Posted by: Insomniac
-----------

Quirky as hell, they are.

To tell you the truth, in retrospect, I don't understand half the stuff that I have done.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 11:25 PM (CDGwz)

328 I'm seriously considering doing a press release after I file the Virgin Island charges - just to put a little pressure on the system.
Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 11:22 PM (pCa05)

Could I suggest that you transmit a copy to President Trump, and also to the NRA?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 11:26 PM (bNb8V)

329 this summer we don't get rain, we just get hail. last night was the fourth time I counted.

DEATH TO MING.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 18, 2018 11:26 PM (6FqZa)

330 If I had to guess, and it's just a guess, is that the US Attys ate being used because Kavanaugh has a long public service/paper record and Rosensyein has been instructed to expedite this process so that Kavanaugh can be confirmed in a timely fashion.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at July 18, 2018 11:26 PM (H5knJ)

331 Send cash as well, your kitty can go to the front of the list with a few Benjamins tossed my way.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 11:24 PM (3Pma+)



The fix is in!

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 11:27 PM (+lOpA)

332 What a waste of time and resources and energy for about 12 people and putting my kids through this shit.



I've never been so destroyed as I am right now. It makes no sense. I
have no idea how to start over or where to begin or anything.



Posted by: 1st world problems yoga studio at July 18, 2018 11:05 PM (qFAqW)

Sorry man. That really sucks. You'll need time and space to heal. Lots of both.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 11:27 PM (QLvwG)

333 Maybe. I do know that one of my biggest shortcomings (shut up) is that I generally don't understand people.
Posted by: Insomniac
-----------

Quirky as hell, they are.

To tell you the truth, in retrospect, I don't understand half the stuff that I have done.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
-------------

That's one reason for the old saying, 'A friend is someone about whom you know everything, but you like them anyhow.'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 11:27 PM (CDGwz)

334 I still have a dog. I use to have 2 dogs with heart problems and allergies. Doggie cardiologist, doggie dermatologist, doggie allergist, and regular vet. Much money spent on vet bills.
We just have never had a cat so need everything...variety of foods, litter box, litter, collar, harness, leash, toys, scratching post, cat nip, bed, water fountain, dishes, more toys, laser, etc. I'm sure I forgot something....

Posted by: lin-duh at July 18, 2018 11:28 PM (kufk0)

335 I'm sure I forgot something....
Posted by: lin-duh at July 18, 2018 11:28 PM (kufk0)


A bigger house. And a kid who will change the litter box.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 11:29 PM (3Pma+)

336 Yes, I know that, but charges are not the end of the legal ammo I have researched, if the charges all vanish into the ether, I'll bring out some heavier legal artillery.
Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 11:25 PM (pCa05)

Please understand that I am not trying to discourage you, but being cynical about the honesty of the upper-level Feebs.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 11:29 PM (bNb8V)

337 And this is one of the many reasons I'm so goddamn bitter. "Be a nice
guy. Keep your head down and work hard. Do what's right." All this got
me fuck-all.

***

This is actually a real problem right now. America was largely built on the notion of "Be a nice
guy. Keep your head down and work hard. Do what's right." - but the left is attacking the idea from every angle...
Work hard? MORE TAXES FOR YOU!
Built a stable life to attract a mate? I DON'T NEED A PROVIDER....err well after you buy me some clothes...AND REALLY WHY ARE YOU SO BORING?!?
Keep your problems to yourself? WHITE MEN RUIN EVERYTHING AND ARE THE CAUSE OF EVERYONE ELSE'S PROBLEMS!!!!
etc....

Posted by: 18-1 at July 18, 2018 11:29 PM (+DkQm)

338 Many clinicians actually count this as a factor for the greater degree of sexual related medical conditions in the homosexual community. That in homosexual male populations, having two male sexual patterns increases the amount of sexual activity as compared with the heterosexual activity which is generally limited by the female in the relationship in frequency and in social constructs in order for the hetero male to receive sexual engagement.

....

Or to shorten my statement:

With fags, you got two dudes that'll f*ck anything.

With straights, the chicks limit the sex.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 11:29 PM (PUbuW)

339 I'VE

GOT

CRACKERS!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2018 11:30 PM (CSNuj)

340 Girldog, I don't think any sort of cover excuse was given. He basically just called up all the US Attorneys' offices and said, "I need all the lawyers you can spare for this. It's super-important!"
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 11:23 PM (wSC8T)

If this is the case, I don't understand why more of a fuss isn't being made about this.

Posted by: girldog at July 18, 2018 11:30 PM (g5YYQ)

341 Or to shorten my statement:



With fags, you got two dudes that'll f*ck anything.



With straights, the chicks limit the sex.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 11:29 PM (PUbuW)


And with two lebesians, you get bed death.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 11:30 PM (QLvwG)

342 MisHum,
I don't have anymore cash after spending time on that couch you recommended.....
Night all!

Posted by: lin-duh at July 18, 2018 11:31 PM (kufk0)

343 That in homosexual male populations, having two male sexual patterns
increases the amount of sexual activity as compared with the
heterosexual activity which is generally limited by the female in the
relationship in frequency

___
AINT THAT THE TRUTH!

Posted by: Barack Obama at July 18, 2018 11:31 PM (+DkQm)

344 My kitty is a volunteer. One day, she just showed up in the shop, and I began feeding her, and that was that.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Same with my old kitty Sarah...except that she delivered her kids that night. Three of them.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 11:31 PM (RNno0)

345 While many of the social characteristics of homosexual males certainly trend towards societal female norms, oddly their sexual habits and characteristics tend to remain uniquely me in that homosexual males like their heterosexual counterparts tend to engage in sexual activity with a larger number of partners, with less courtship time before engaging in sexual activity, and with a greater propensity for infidelity, with shorter relationship lengths and with less emotional attachment.

In almost every way their sexual activity mirrors those of heterosexual males. Many clinicians actually count this as a factor for the greater degree of sexual related medical conditions in the homosexual community. That in homosexual male populations, having two male sexual patterns increases the amount of sexual activity as compared with the heterosexual activity which is generally limited by the female in the relationship in frequency and in social constructs in order for the hetero male to receive sexual engagement.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 11:23 PM (PUbuW)


I don't find that at all a refutation. The male urge generally is to spread the polliwogs far and wide. Males generate new sperm every few weeks, and they've got to go somewhere. All you're saying is that squirting the polliwogs is the prime directive, regardless of sexual orientation. I find that an easy proposition to believe.

And consider the converse: given the male propensity for promiscuity - which I've heard about, of course (!) - why aren't almost ALL men homosexual? You're 19, horny as hell, and trying to wheedle your way into some gal's pants, or at least score a BJ. You could probably perfectly well dispense with all the bullshit and get your beej in the next ten minutes if you know a single male homosexual.

Yet few guys actually do that.

(And as for homosexual male promiscuity, it turns out that that is major reservoir of STDs in the community at large.)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:31 PM (ez9Rh)

346 We just have never had a cat so need everything...variety of foods, litter box, litter, collar, harness, leash, toys, scratching post, cat nip, bed, water fountain, dishes, more toys, laser, etc. I'm sure I forgot something....
Posted by: lin-duh at July 18, 2018 11:28 PM (kufk0)


Jeez louise.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 11:31 PM (+lOpA)

347 And with two lebesians, you get bed death.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 11:30 PM (QLvwG)

Naw, i think they got that licked.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 11:32 PM (bNb8V)

348 Funny to see KISS dressed up in those skinny ties & jackets!

I heard Gene Simmons interviewed once on TV, honest to God.

"How many women have you had, Gene?"

"Not as many as you probably think."

"OK, but how many? Just a ballpark estimate?"

"I dunno".... (appears to be thinking about the question)... "less than a thousand."



Posted by: strawdog at July 18, 2018 11:32 PM (Cssks)

349 With fags, you got two dudes that'll f*ck anything.

With straights, the chicks limit the sex.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 11:29 PM (PUbuW)


My analogy: men are oxygen, women are nitrogen. Women slow down the inferno that would result in pure oxygen.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:33 PM (ez9Rh)

350 Unfortunately one of our kittehs went to kitty heaven yesterday. You can see a pic here:
https://tinyurl.com/ybxy5ofr

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 18, 2018 11:33 PM (w+Jhj)

351 Relevant to My Interests ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/1019636246128267264

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/1019636361912086531

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/1019636476215287808

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/1019636598168850432

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/1019636803450613762


Posted by: kbdabear at July 18, 2018 11:33 PM (0Ntuf)

352 Anyhoo, didn't mean to hijack the thread.

How 'bout them Mets!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 11:33 PM (PUbuW)

353 If I had to guess, and it's just a guess, is that the US Attys ate being used because Kavanaugh has a long public service/paper record and Rosensyein has been instructed to expedite this process so that Kavanaugh can be confirmed in a timely fashion.
Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at July 18, 2018 11:26 PM (H5knJ)

I just wasn't aware that the DOJ ever got involved in researching a SCOTUS nominee's rulings. I guess I just never noticed or saw it reported on.

Posted by: girldog at July 18, 2018 11:34 PM (g5YYQ)

354 350 Unfortunately one of our kittehs went to kitty heaven yesterday. You can see a pic here:
https://tinyurl.com/ybxy5ofr
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 18, 2018 11:33 PM (w+Jhj)


Bummer.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 11:35 PM (+lOpA)

355 "Funny to see KISS dressed up in those skinny ties jackets!"

I wore out my cassette tape of that album. Had a cassette player taped to the top bar of my 10 speed so I could jam while riding around.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 18, 2018 11:35 PM (w+Jhj)

356 Sorry AshevilleRobert

Posted by: lin-duh at July 18, 2018 11:35 PM (kufk0)

357 333 Maybe. I do know that one of my biggest shortcomings (shut up) is that I generally don't understand people.
Posted by: Insomniac
-----------

Quirky as hell, they are.

To tell you the truth, in retrospect, I don't understand half the stuff that I have done.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

With hindsight a lot of the things we've done in our lives were pretty dumb. Still, I guess I just have difficulty "getting" people. Maybe it's because I'm so fucked up, but oftentimes I'm just at a loss when trying to deal with others.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 11:36 PM (NWiLs)

358 More Relevant to My Interests ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/1019636919397994496

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/1019637012142411776

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/1019637113539780615

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/1019637225896726534

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/1019637327134625792

Posted by: kbdabear at July 18, 2018 11:36 PM (0Ntuf)

359
Male homosexuality dramatically reduces the changes of having offspring...so genetics shouldn't favor it. In fact I'm guessing that ignoring child molestation (which is the leading cause of it...by far) that it is some response to overcrowding. We know that there are affects on girls as they go through puberty based on the pheromones of people around them. I would hardly be shocked if the same was true of men...



Posted by: 18-1 at July 18, 2018 11:36 PM (+DkQm)

360 350 Unfortunately one of our kittehs went to kitty heaven yesterday. You can see a pic here:

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 18, 2018 11:33 PM (w+Jhj)

Sorry for the loss of your kitteh, I know how it feels

Posted by: kbdabear at July 18, 2018 11:37 PM (0Ntuf)

361 Unfortunately one of our kittehs went to kitty heaven yesterday. You can see a pic here:
https://tinyurl.com/ybxy5ofr
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 18, 2018 11:33 PM (w+Jhj)

Condolences, Robert.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 11:37 PM (bNb8V)

362 I still have a dog. I use to have 2 dogs with heart problems and allergies. Doggie cardiologist, doggie dermatologist, doggie allergist, and regular vet. Much money spent on vet bills.
We just have never had a cat so need everything...variety of foods, litter box, litter, collar, harness, leash, toys, scratching post, cat nip, bed, water fountain, dishes, more toys, laser, etc. I'm sure I forgot something....
Posted by: lin-duh at July 18, 2018 11:28 PM (kufk0)

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I would forget the collar and leash. Cats are a little.......different. They are either outside cats, where you let them roam and they come back when they wat to, usually often and for food, or inside cats.

If this will be an inside cat only, plan on getting it declawed on the front feet, or it will tear up your furniture. Just don't let it out of the house, at without front claws it is effectively defenseless.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 11:37 PM (yJ9Jf)

363 My analogy: men are oxygen, women are nitrogen. Women slow down the inferno that would result in pure oxygen.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:33 PM (ez9Rh)


--------

I was told there would be no chemistry on this thread.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2018 11:37 PM (CSNuj)

364 (And as for homosexual male promiscuity, it turns out that that is major reservoir of STDs in the community at large.)
***
AIDS came to America thanks to....a promiscuous gay male flight attendant...


Posted by: 18-1 at July 18, 2018 11:38 PM (+DkQm)

365
I was looking up LBJ quotes the other day, looking for that "I want to make the SOB deny he's a pig-fucker!" quote, and I ran across one that made me laugh out loud.

Speaking of some Republican, he said, "He's the worst thing that happened to this country since pantyhose ruined finger fucking."

That's what I'd say about Obama. Hell the whole Deep State.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 18, 2018 11:38 PM (8O3HH)

366 Unfortunately one of our kittehs went to kitty heaven yesterday.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert
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Very sorry to hear that.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 11:39 PM (Coh3a)

367 On a more uplifting light - what can someone do with their life, once it's been wrecked? I have a friend here who I have found quite inspiring, this summer. I rented a small place to him for the last 7 years, but we got to know each other well. He used to be a drummer, quite intelligent, but he fell prey to schizophrenia and went on disability about 12 years ago. (fortunately it is well controlled with medication) (well almost all of the time) That was his first blow. He was restricted to living off $900/month, but at least medicaid pays for his medication. He moved here because he had some family he liked, only family in the world - and then his uncle and two cousins got sent to Federal Prison for being part of a major trafficking operation. He had nothing to do with that, but he was crushed by that as well - that was all the family he had in the world. You'd think he'd roll over and just die, no family, no job, no nothing. (he's about 40, btw)

But amazingly, he came up with something that shocked me - the one thing he loves more than anything is bike riding, and he worked himself up to where he was doing 50 miles a day. A couple months ago he decided he could get rid of the rest of his possessions, put everything he needed in a backpack and some saddle bags, get a PO drop box so he could keep up with the minimal banking and medicaid needs, and he was going to spend most of the rest of the year on his bike. Specifically, he's riding from Texas to Utah, and after he tours Utah for a while he'll head up to Wyoming, sleeping either in public campsites or near the road, depending on what's available. All of it on his bike. He figures that by the time winter sets in he can find a widow woman with a small garage room she might let him sleep in cheap, until spring. Til then, he's just going to drift like a leaf on the wind, enjoying what he sees and not really worrying about where he's headed.

you might say he's crazy - well I told you he's a schizophrenic - but it just might work. And he might have a hell of a time doing it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 11:39 PM (V2Yro)

368 With hindsight a lot of the things we've done in our lives were pretty dumb. Still, I guess I just have difficulty "getting" people. Maybe it's because I'm so fucked up, but oftentimes I'm just at a loss when trying to deal with others.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 11:36 PM (NWiLs)

Yep... people are screwed up... and we have no control over them.


The ONLY thing we control, is ourselves.


You can do everything right, make every decision correctly, and things may still end up sucking, because of THEIR free will.


Posted by: Don Q at July 18, 2018 11:39 PM (NgKpN)

369 We just have never had a cat so need everything...variety of foods,
litter box, litter, collar, harness, leash, toys, scratching post, cat
nip, bed, water fountain, dishes, more toys, laser, etc. I'm sure I
forgot something....
Posted by: lin-duh at July 18, 2018 11:28 PM (kufk0)

Well, you can forget about the bed cause the cat will sleep wherever they want. Ours had several favorite places and she'd rotate them.

The water fountains are a pain in the ass to keep clean. A simple stainless steel one will work fine.

I would advise to get a good quality steel litter box scooper. Those plastic kind don't work worth a damn.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 18, 2018 11:39 PM (w+Jhj)

370 I need a Miracle is kind of awesome

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 11:40 PM (PUmDY)

371 AIDS came to America thanks to....a promiscuous gay male flight attendant...


-------

A gay flight attendant? What are the odds of that?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2018 11:41 PM (CSNuj)

372 We know that there are affects on girls as they go through puberty based on the pheromones of people around them.

Sounds like pseudoscience to me.

Bear in mind that that crap about women's cycles synchronizing is obviously unsubstantiated bullshit.

Consider two women, one with a 28 day cycle, the other with a 27 day cycle. Eventually, their cycles will inevitably coincide, and will at least partially overlap for some months, during which time nitwits will be blathering about "coinciding cycles." Totally ignoring the period (?) before and after the cycles overlap.

Now if their cycles overlapped thereafter, for years, I'd take the proposition seriously.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:41 PM (ez9Rh)

373
Male homosexual promiscuity is more of an effect that a cause. When men screw other men, there is no throttle as mentioned above. They go wild. But if you ain't into that, you ain't gonna go for it, no matter how much sex you could get.

What spreads STDs like crazy is the buttsex. Gay men can be both pitchers and catchers, and that spreads it like wild fire.

A woman who gets Solo'd is as it as much risk for catching something from the pitcher, but it's much harder for her to spread it to others.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 18, 2018 11:42 PM (8O3HH)

374 Posted by: lin-duh at July 18, 2018 11:31 PM (kufk0)

Lost that battle

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 11:42 PM (3Pma+)

375 There's a hack for litter boxes. Wrap the box in a plastic bag before you put the litter in.

Then when it's nasty, just pull the bag around and tie off.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 11:42 PM (+lOpA)

376 I was told there would be no chemistry on this thread.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2018 11:37 PM (CSNuj)


That's communism right there. Where I am, there's chemistry.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:43 PM (ez9Rh)

377 Oh, I never get anywhere weighing in to the homo wars. But..

why aren't almost ALL men homosexual? You're 19, horny as hell, and trying to wheedle your way into some gal's pants, or at least score a BJ. You could probably perfectly well dispense with all the bullshit and get your beej in the next ten minutes if you know a single male homosexual.

Yet few guys actually do that.




You're a straight guy. You're six years old and I Dream of Jeannie turns you on. You don't know why. You get to be 11 or 12 and you find your Dad's Playboy stash. It captivates you and you don't know why.

As a friend of mine once said, "whatever gets your dick hard".

I am a straight guy. Girls get my dick hard. I have made any number of bad life choices in order to get girls to do things to my dick.

If you're twelve and images of guys make your dick hard? Is that immoral? Is that just how you're wired?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 11:43 PM (fuK7c)

378 I just finished Roughing It last week and I don't remember that bit.



I have become a huge Twain fanboi, but I don't get Roughing It. He
goes back and forth between reportage on events, tall tales, experiments
with accents, and literal transcriptions from his diaries. It really
looks like he's being paid for words by the pound.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 11:08 PM (fuK7c)


You are right. It was written apparently in 1876 as a short article, but it touches on the period he claimed to have been editor. I stuck them together in my head.

from Roughing It:

" The seventh day I resigned. On the eighth, Mr. Goodman returned and found six duels on his hands--my personalities had borne fruit. "

He fleshes that bit out in a short article called How I Escaped Being Killed in a Duel

"But I made an uncommonly lively newspaper while I did last, and
when I retired I had a duel on my hands, and three horse-whippings
promised me. The latter I made no attempt to collect; however, this
history concerns only the former."

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8njpvqf

Posted by: Kindltot at July 18, 2018 11:43 PM (2K6fY)

379 Now if their cycles overlapped thereafter, for years, I'd take the proposition seriously.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:41 PM (ez9Rh)

--------

Wow. Tough crowd.

Posted by: Dr. Paul Ehrlich, The Wrongest Man In Science at July 18, 2018 11:43 PM (CSNuj)

380
AIDS came to America thanks to....a promiscuous gay male flight attendant...

Monster Zero

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 11:44 PM (IqV8l)

381 A woman who gets Solo'd is as it as much risk for catching something from the pitcher, but it's much harder for her to spread it to others.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 18, 2018 11:42 PM (8O3HH)


Ah, the story of AIDS in Africa, where heterosexual buttsecs is a common form of contraception.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:44 PM (ez9Rh)

382 I do love Twain as a writer.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 18, 2018 11:44 PM (2K6fY)

383
That reminds of some Moon menstruation cult. A bunch of kook women get together, believing their periods such be synchronized with the phases of the Moon. I forget if they're supposed to do it on the full Moon, or the new Moon.

Anyway, they try to get all synchronized with the Moon, and therefore each other.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 18, 2018 11:45 PM (8O3HH)

384 Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 11:39 PM (V2Yro)

sounds like he's going on walkabout
it could be healing
I will pray for him

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at July 18, 2018 11:45 PM (hMwEB)

385 Wow. Tough crowd.
Posted by: Dr. Paul Ehrlich, The Wrongest Man In Science at July 18, 2018 11:43 PM (CSNuj)


Yep. Imagine the people who had me as a reviewer. Tough, analytical, and totally devoid of political acumen.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:45 PM (ez9Rh)

386 "There's a hack for litter boxes. Wrap the box in a plastic bag before you put the litter in.



Then when it's nasty, just pull the bag around and tie off.

Posted by: eleven"

If you can afford it, sure. I'd rather not waste a bunch of litter.

I second the idea of ditching the leash harness and collar.

However, I am totally against declawing. Just keep them trimmed and provide a few good scratching posts.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 18, 2018 11:46 PM (w+Jhj)

387 There's a hack for litter boxes. Wrap the box in a plastic bag before you put the litter in.

Then when it's nasty, just pull the bag around and tie off.
Posted by: eleven
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Here, we call them 'Liners'

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 11:46 PM (RNno0)

388 Kitties
Gays
Rod Rosenstein
And a sundry of other topics, Kiss, Vacations, to name but a few

What a delightful ONT


Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 11:47 PM (3Pma+)

389 My shortcomings are longer and thicker.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 18, 2018 11:47 PM (6FqZa)

390 Well, it's time for bed. Thanks everyone.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 18, 2018 11:47 PM (w+Jhj)

391 You're a straight guy. You're six years old and I Dream of Jeannie turns you on. You don't know why. You get to be 11 or 12 and you find your Dad's Playboy stash. It captivates you and you don't know why.

This.

Marilyn Monroe made me feel ... funny. No idea why.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:47 PM (ez9Rh)

392 AIDS came to America thanks to....a promiscuous gay male flight attendant...





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A gay flight attendant? What are the odds of that?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2018 11:41 PM (CSNuj)

Inconceivable!

Posted by: Liberace's Hairdresser at July 18, 2018 11:48 PM (QLvwG)

393 83
That reminds of some Moon menstruation cult. A bunch of kook women get together, believing their periods such be synchronized with the phases of the Moon. I forget if they're supposed to do it on the full Moon, or the new Moon.


....

Damn, tough crowd.

Posted by: Tom Robbins, Still With My Wooden Pecker at July 18, 2018 11:48 PM (PUbuW)

394 I think they found that the 'patient zero' flight attendant wasn't the first carrier of AIDS to the US, but he was definitely the worst. They should have hanged that bastard as soon as they found out he'd deliberately infected others.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 18, 2018 11:49 PM (6FqZa)

395 My shortcomings are longer and thicker.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 18, 2018 11:47 PM (6FqZa)


Male Enhancement supplements? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 11:49 PM (QLvwG)

396 sounds like he's going on walkabout
it could be healing
I will pray for him."

Thanks (on his behalf), and that's a good way to put it.

He realized he had nothing left that tied him to this spot. I suppose I'm even a wee bit jealous, since I'm tied down with anchor chains.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 11:49 PM (V2Yro)

397 My shortcomings are longer and thicker.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo
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'Girthy', 'Girthy shortcomings'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 11:50 PM (Coh3a)

398 Marilyn Monroe made me feel ... funny. No idea why.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:47 PM (ez9Rh)

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The coroner wasn't laughing, or so I heard.

Posted by: Zombie Bobby Kennedy at July 18, 2018 11:50 PM (CSNuj)

399 Alabama man who walked 20 miles to work given boss' car.


That was an awesome story MissHum. Just great feelz all the way...from stem to stern.

Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 11:51 PM (CiCKR)

400 So very sorry to hear that's how it turned out. Wish I could say it was
rare, but it is sadly quite common - family law courts are cesspools of
injustice, and no one ever seems to care.

1st World, IANAL but from what you described, I think that you can appeal that ruling as being contrary to law.

Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 11:51 PM (pCa05)

401
I remember getting hard as young as kindergarten. I had no idea what was going on. It's the low level circuits which are hard wired to respond to the stimuli. The higher brain has no idea what's happening, but when puberty hits and the testosterone kicks in, it will complete that higher wiring.

Interestingly, and obviously really, it was only women and girls past puberty who had developed who could have that effect. Undeveloped girls my own age did nothing.

The low level wiring is for the developed female form.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 18, 2018 11:51 PM (8O3HH)

402 So, once your period is successfully synchronized with the moon, what happens next?

*crickets*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2018 11:51 PM (CSNuj)

403 Posted by: kbdabear at July 18, 2018 11:36 PM (0Ntuf)


I do love Wednesdays. Thank you sir.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 11:52 PM (QLvwG)

404 https://tinyurl.com/y94ktyyj

Note the reference to the actual study at the end of the article.

Posted by: 18-1 at July 18, 2018 11:52 PM (+DkQm)

405 That reminds of some Moon menstruation cult. A bunch of kook women get together, believing their periods such be synchronized with the phases of the Moon. I forget if they're supposed to do it on the full Moon, or the new Moon.

Anyway, they try to get all synchronized with the Moon, and therefore each other."

The part about getting synchronized with each other is new age folderol, but the part about being synchronized with the moon isn't. It's one of the really strange things about human (female) biology, the reasons for it lost in the mists of time.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 11:52 PM (V2Yro)

406 If this will be an inside cat only, plan on getting
it declawed on the front feet, or it will tear up your furniture. Just
don't let it out of the house, at without front claws it is effectively
defenseless.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 11:37 PM (yJ9Jf)


Please consider not doing this. They aren't declawing, they are amputating the last joint of each "finger"

Posted by: Kindltot at July 18, 2018 11:53 PM (2K6fY)

407 Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 11:51 PM (CiCKR)

Thanks but you give me too much credit. A Moron sent me the H/t

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 11:53 PM (3Pma+)

408 I remember getting hard as young as kindergarten. I had no idea what was going on. It's the low level circuits which are hard wired to respond to the stimuli.

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This is funny. I remember at kindergarten nap time, scooching my little pillow across the floor so I was positioned to look up the teacher's skirt.

Hardcore Moron material I was, even at six.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2018 11:54 PM (CSNuj)

409
I looked up it. They're supposed to menstruate on the new Moon and ovulate during the Full Moon.

Maybe some Druid stuff. Rutting during the full Moon.

I'd go along with that if I could in on some crazy full Moon sex orgies.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 18, 2018 11:54 PM (8O3HH)

410 The part about getting synchronized with each other is new age folderol, but the part about being synchronized with the moon isn't. It's one of the really strange things about human (female) biology, the reasons for it lost in the mists of time.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 11:52 PM (V2Yro)

The smelt are running!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 11:54 PM (bNb8V)

411 Mordoor

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 11:54 PM (PUmDY)

412
Unfortunately one of our kittehs went to kitty heaven yesterday. You can see a pic here:


https://tinyurl.com/ybxy5ofr

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at July 18, 2018 11:33 PM (w+Jhj)
RIP {{{Chammy}}}

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 18, 2018 11:54 PM (txw6d)

413 394 I think they found that the 'patient zero' flight attendant wasn't the first carrier of AIDS to the US, but he was definitely the worst. They should have hanged that bastard as soon as they found out he'd deliberately infected others.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 18, 2018 11:49 PM (6FqZa)


Gaetan Dugas, Patient Zero, claimed (in Randy Shilt's book "And the Band Played On") to have had 5000 partners in three years.

(I'll wait while you do the math.)

OK, now that you're suitably astonished, he also claimed he used to go into bathhouses, strip off, lay on a bench and await developments.

Public health officials charged with tracking down his sexual contacts, gave up, because not only did he not know them, in many cases, he'd never seen their faces.

But (?) just another lifestyle, as beautiful and valid as any other.

OK.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:55 PM (ez9Rh)

414 The part about getting synchronized with each other
is new age folderol, but the part about being synchronized with the moon
isn't. It's one of the really strange things about human (female)
biology, the reasons for it lost in the mists of time.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 11:52 PM (V2Yro)

It's so the wimmen will have company in the Moon Hut during their banishment from the clan's cave during their cycle.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 11:55 PM (QLvwG)

415 While an erection can be the result of sexual stimulus it's hard (no pun intended) to exactly say it's a direct cause and effect.

Infants get elections, its doubtful from visceral stimulus.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 11:56 PM (PUbuW)

416 Re: work ethic

I do agree with insomniac, job 1, a bunch of back slapping assholes who should've moved on, school district

Job 2, box store and an eternal mean girls society of shrews who bitch about everything and yet get credit for work they didn't do

Head down, work, collect paycheck, pay bills, rinse and repeat. Some how I was thinking about God's and Cain's conversation about work (offering)

Posted by: Auscolpyr at July 18, 2018 11:56 PM (oFsfu)

417 The part about getting synchronized with each other is new age folderol, but the part about being synchronized with the moon isn't. It's one of the really strange things about human (female) biology, the reasons for it lost in the mists of time.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 11:52 PM (V2Yro)


Uh, sorry, but how could they each be synchronized with the moon, and yet NOT with each other?

(Spare a thought for people whose manuscripts I reviewed.)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:56 PM (ez9Rh)

418 Infants get elections, its doubtful from visceral stimulus.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 18, 2018 11:56 PM (PUbuW)

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Probably involves Russian interference.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2018 11:57 PM (CSNuj)

419 You're a straight guy. You're six years old and I Dream of Jeannie turns you on. You don't know why.



Those tits.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 18, 2018 11:57 PM (9Om/r)

420 It's one of the really strange things about human (female) biology, the reasons for it lost in the mists of time.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 11:52 PM (V2Yro)


To the MOON Alice!!

Posted by: Ralph Cramden at July 18, 2018 11:57 PM (Zmczq)

421
But (?) just another lifestyle, as beautiful and valid as any other.

OK.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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To be embraced, and nurtured.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 11:58 PM (Coh3a)

422 1st World, IANAL but from what you described, I think that you can appeal that ruling as being contrary to law."

You only say that because, to use your phrasing, "YANAL".
Those who spend time in the courthouse know that this happens at least once every day in every courthouse in this country. His lamentable story is actually pretty tame compared to some I could tell you.

Why do you think lawyers are so cynical and depressed all the time? We know how the sausage gets made, and it's a dirty, dirty business.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 11:58 PM (V2Yro)

423 Nice going, Dad!

Posted by: Moon Unit at July 18, 2018 11:58 PM (QLvwG)

424 Virginia City is in Storey County where Prostittuion is still legal.
Posted by: The Silver State Hat at July 18, 2018 10:59 PM (itfg0)

Storey County, IIRC, is the only one in the state without any farmland.

Posted by: Surfperch at July 18, 2018 11:58 PM (j6XEO)

425 So menstruating to the moon and kindergarten erectiions then? Ok got it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 11:58 PM (Zmczq)

426 Infants get elections,
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Just happened in NY, I think.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 11:59 PM (Coh3a)

427 Storey County, IIRC, is the only one in the state without any farmland.
Posted by: Surfperch at July 18, 2018 11:58 PM (j6XEO)


More than enough plowing was already going on, amirite?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:59 PM (ez9Rh)

428 Oh and shoot me now, hour number six of defensive drivers course. Is it just me or are all San Antonio cops pricks?

Posted by: Auscolpyr at July 18, 2018 11:59 PM (oFsfu)

429 Storey County, IIRC, is the only one in the state without any farmland.
Posted by: Surfperch
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No Ficus, I assume.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 19, 2018 12:00 AM (Coh3a)

430 Please consider not doing this. They aren't declawing, they are amputating the last joint of each "finger"
Posted by: Kindltot at July 18, 2018 11:53 PM (2K6fY)

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No worries, I am not not nor have I ever been a true cat owner. The Ex was, and she never did that.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 19, 2018 12:00 AM (yJ9Jf)

431 419 You're a straight guy. You're six years old and I Dream of Jeannie turns you on. You don't know why.

Those tits.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at July 18, 2018 11:57 PM (9Om/r)


But you're only a few years away from having considered them as the source of lunch.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:00 AM (ez9Rh)

432 Probably involves Russian interference.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2018 11:57 PM (CSNuj)

...

I remember reading Angela's Ashes and reading the phrase "interfering with yourself" as a colloquialism for fapping.

Must be an Irish Catholic expression.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 19, 2018 12:01 AM (PUbuW)

433 I just peeked in on Karl Denninger's Market Ticker blog.

I think he is quitting smoking this month.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 19, 2018 12:01 AM (2K6fY)

434 Uh, sorry, but how could they each be synchronized with the moon, and yet NOT with each other?

(Spare a thought for people whose manuscripts I reviewed.)

What I meant is that not all women will be synchronized with the same part of the cycle. Some will experience it on New moon, some on Half Moon, some on Full Moon, and all points in between. But once an individual woman's cycle is set on a particular phase, it should hold that phase until interrupted by a pregnancy, when it will reset.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 19, 2018 12:02 AM (V2Yro)

435 nerdygirl, good advice, true and thanks. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:02 AM (km8m2)

436 Maybe some Druid stuff. Rutting during the full Moon.



I'd go along with that if I could in on some crazy full Moon sex orgies.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 18, 2018 11:54 PM (8O3HH)

It's for the crops!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 19, 2018 12:02 AM (txw6d)

437 Zdravstvuj!!!

I went to the grocery store and came back thinking everyone will be typing in Cyrillic script.

I guess the Russian Spy Ace of Spades hasn't enabled that option yet.

Oh, well! Maybe by tomorrow!

Uveedimsa pozhe!

P.S. - The NRA meeting in 2019 in Moscow is going to be awesome!

Posted by: Trigger Warning at July 19, 2018 12:02 AM (YRXy3)

438 This is funny. I remember at kindergarten nap time, scooching my little pillow across the floor so I was positioned to look up the teacher's skirt.

Hardcore Moron material I was, even at six.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 18, 2018 11:54 PM (CSNuj)


Braggart.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:03 AM (ez9Rh)

439 I don't understand how a Judge can purposely go out of their way to ignore all facts, evidence that was admitted, affidavits from 4 experts, multiple expert testimony, case law and the law. They said they were taking time to go over these things weeks ago and sends a ruling saying they only went over their freaking notes after 2 freaking years!!! 5 years total. How convenient considering ex literally got in no evidence and represented herself. Well don't like these expert opinions and evidence and all this so I'll base it off my notes.

So ignore all evidence against the mother because reasons. WTF!??! Children are being literally being harmed. One expert said her and her circle for alienation. It's all ignored. Harm was literally ignored

It's drug out becauee the Judge wants to hear it all and then they ignore it because reasons. 2 freaking years and 5 total!!!

I mean it's like the courts are trying to destroy lives of men and kids to advance an agenda or something.

If God was merciful, he would allow me to pass on quietly in my sleep.

Posted by: 1st world problems yoga studio at July 19, 2018 12:03 AM (qFAqW)

440 Passed by my old school, Long Beach City College, today.

Good thing I'm not still a student, I'd be running out of classes to take. "Hmm, horticulture or genealogy?"

I already know everything about genealogy anyway. I have the entire series of "I Dream of Jeannie" on DVD.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:03 AM (km8m2)

441 Married with Children syncing episode with Al stuck in the cabin with Peg, Marcie and Applegate

Posted by: Auscolpyr at July 19, 2018 12:04 AM (oFsfu)

442 What I meant is that not all women will be synchronized with the same part of the cycle. Some will experience it on New moon, some on Half Moon, some on Full Moon, and all points in between. But once an individual woman's cycle is set on a particular phase, it should hold that phase until interrupted by a pregnancy, when it will reset.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 19, 2018 12:02 AM (V2Yro)


So ... every 28 days. No mystical feminine connection need be invoked. Fair enough.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:04 AM (ez9Rh)

443 Cats aren't cats without their claws. That climb. with them and if they get/are out they have to protect themselves. And hell, it just sucks for them. The few cats I've seen declawed are antisocial messes.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 19, 2018 12:04 AM (Zmczq)

444 436
Maybe some Druid stuff. Rutting during the full Moon.





I'd go along with that if I could in on some crazy full Moon sex orgies.



Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 18, 2018 11:54 PM (8O3HH)

It's for the crops!


Posted by: Miley, the Duchess



The Harvest!

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 19, 2018 12:04 AM (20X6f)

445
You're a straight guy. You're six years old and I Dream of Jeannie turns you on. You don't know why.

Those tits.


Navel aviation

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2018 12:05 AM (IqV8l)

446 >> But once an individual woman's cycle is set on a particular phase

But the thing is their is pretty wide variation in cycle length between women. Anything between 21 and 35 days is considered normal.

I know some think the lunar correlation with cycle length is just a coincidence. But there are animals with lunar cycle related behavior.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 19, 2018 12:06 AM (8O3HH)

447 We were talking about Jack Parsons of JPL last night.

Given how weird/brilliant he was, I'm shocked Hollywood hasn't tried to make a billion fawning biopics about him by now.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:06 AM (km8m2)

448 Surprised the women in the bottom photo had even heard of Michele Obama....

Posted by: Sam Adams at July 19, 2018 12:06 AM (DbadI)

449
Navel aviation
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2018 12:05 AM (IqV8l)

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There were no navels in I Dream of Jeannie. Network edict.

It was the Valencia of softcore pr0n

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2018 12:07 AM (CSNuj)

450 But the thing is their is pretty wide variation in cycle length between women. Anything between 21 and 35 days is considered normal.

I know some think the lunar correlation with cycle length is just a coincidence.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 19, 2018 12:06 AM (8O3HH)


I was going to say all that, but considered it might be overdoing it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:07 AM (ez9Rh)

451 437:
P.S. - The NRA meeting in 2019 in Moscow is going to be awesome!





Posted by: Trigger Warning



Will there be tiny giraffes??

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 19, 2018 12:07 AM (20X6f)

452 The Harvest!

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 19, 2018 12:04 AM (20X6f)

Menstruous in June, corn be heavy soon.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 19, 2018 12:08 AM (PUbuW)

453 Cicero, ever read the original "Lysistrata"?

Once translated properly/completed, it literally looks and sounds like an episode of Married With Children in parts.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:08 AM (km8m2)

454 Surprised the women in the bottom photo had even heard of Michele Obama....

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I like Miss A.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2018 12:08 AM (CSNuj)

455
I just peeked in on Karl Denninger's Market Ticker blog.
I think he is quitting smoking this month.
Posted by: Kindltot


Did he pick the wrong month?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2018 12:08 AM (IqV8l)

456 I don't think i could go to a sex orgy. There were a couple i knew of could have gotten involved. Sounded creepy all in the same bed thing.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 19, 2018 12:09 AM (Zmczq)

457 But the thing is their is pretty wide variation in cycle length between women. Anything between 21 and 35 days is considered normal.

Yet ability to parallel park? Abnormal.

Oh yes.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:09 AM (ez9Rh)

458 So ... every 28 days. No mystical feminine connection need be invoked. Fair enough."

Yes, exactly. The part that interests me is, why did women develop biologically for that relationship to exist? No other mammals have the exact period of the Moon as their cycle of fertility, but Mankind does. Was it just such a good way to keep track of periods of fertility that it got coded into our genetic makeup? But it has tied the moon to fertility in our psyches, as long as our race has existed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 19, 2018 12:09 AM (V2Yro)

459 I'd go along with that if I could in on some crazy full Moon sex orgies.





Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 18, 2018 11:54 PM (8O3HH)

It's for the crops!




Posted by: Miley, the Duchess


The Harvest!


Posted by: Puddleglum at July 19, 2018 12:04 AM (20X6f)

The chores!

Posted by: Oliver Wendell Douglas, Gentleman Farmer with a smoking hot wife at July 19, 2018 12:09 AM (QLvwG)

460
The Harvest!


Posted by: Puddleglum at July 19, 2018 12:04 AM (20X6f)

The chores!

Posted by: Oliver Wendell Douglas, Gentleman Farmer with a smoking hot wife at July 19, 2018 12:09 AM (QLvwG)

Sammiches!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 19, 2018 12:11 AM (Zmczq)

461 The chores!


Posted by: Oliver Wendell Douglas, Gentleman Farmer with a smoking hot wife at July 19, 2018 12:09 AM (QLvwG)

The stores!

Posted by: Lisa, the smoking hot wife at July 19, 2018 12:12 AM (txw6d)

462

Blue moon
You saw me standing alone

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2018 12:12 AM (IqV8l)

463 I keep forgetting to tell everyone:

Re the Robin Williams movie you all have recommended to me, Moscow On The Hudson?

The blu-ray is on sale right now from the Twilight Time movies website, for $15. (It usually retails for $30, I believe.) Anyway I got a copy last night, came to $20 total including taxes and shipping.

https://www.twilighttimemovies.com/moscow-on-the-hudson-blu-ray/

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:12 AM (km8m2)

464
28 day cycle length is just the *average*. The range is 21 to 35 days (and I see that's even wider on the long side for girls who are just starting). The average is those two numbers is 28.

Now, if she's not exactly 28 days, then she's not going to sync with the Moon.

You can put me in the coincidence camp unless more evidence comes to light.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 19, 2018 12:12 AM (8O3HH)

465 I read a theory that Pope Gregory developed the modern calendar in an effort to track and predict the 5 days in each lunar cycle that women would be complete, utter b*tches.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 19, 2018 12:12 AM (PUbuW)

466
The chores!

The stores!


The shower!

https://youtu.be/bfTpbkpLouU

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2018 12:13 AM (IqV8l)

467 Bitter Clinger, too bad Pope Greg died before he could invent the sarcophagus us guys could keep women in during that "special time." :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:14 AM (km8m2)

468 I read a theory that Pope Gregory developed the modern calendar in an effort to track and predict the 5 days in each lunar cycle that women would be complete, utter b*tches.


Five? Pope Greg was lucky in his female acquaintances.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2018 12:14 AM (fuK7c)

469 456 I don't think i could go to a sex orgy. There were a couple i knew of could have gotten involved. Sounded creepy all in the same bed thing.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 19, 2018 12:09 AM (Zmczq)


In grad school I dated a grad student in French. At one of the parties we were approached by a (male) French grad student who proposed a three-way.

Sorry, Laurence, gotta take a rain check. But if one of those French hotties is into it, you be sure to get back to me, ya hear?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:14 AM (ez9Rh)

470 complete, utter b*tches.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 19, 2018 12:12 AM (PUbuW)

Ok I'm laughing myself to sleep. Later

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 19, 2018 12:14 AM (Zmczq)

471 Yes, exactly. The part that interests me is, why did women develop biologically for that relationship to exist? No other mammals have the exact period of the Moon as their cycle of fertility, but Mankind does. Was it just such a good way to keep track of periods of fertility that it got coded into our genetic makeup? But it has tied the moon to fertility in our psyches, as long as our race has existed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 19, 2018 12:09 AM (V2Yro)

Damn! Full Moon. Ugg go hunting.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2018 12:14 AM (bNb8V)

472
Here is Trump, in 2006 at the Emmy's doing the Green Acres theme with that actress that played on whatever show it was:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiZqFGLAeAc

He was in overalls with a pitchfork. Now, that's not true to Green Acres. Mr. Douglass tried to farm in 3-piece suits, remember. That was one of the jokes.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 19, 2018 12:15 AM (8O3HH)

473 Pope Gregory was a pimp. He could never have outfought Alexander VI.

Posted by: Don Vito at July 19, 2018 12:15 AM (CSNuj)

474 I read a theory that Pope Gregory developed the modern calendar in an effort to track and predict the 5 days in each lunar cycle that women would be complete, utter b*tches.

Yeah, pretty hard to guess when it's that time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:15 AM (ez9Rh)

475 Bertram, when I clicked on your link, I got a quickie opening video on YouTube:

"Sign the petition to build the wall!!"

Shocked YT is letting that fly...

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:15 AM (km8m2)

476 I know my wife would say, any girl that got stuck with the 21 day circle has got the double curse of the dark gods on her.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 19, 2018 12:16 AM (V2Yro)

477 Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 11:51 PM (CiCKR)

Thanks but you give me too much credit. A Moron sent me the H/t
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 18, 2018 11:53 PM (3Pma+)


I went and researched more of the story, and it is great. The GoFund me fund got huge, so a financial planner type is gonna help the kid manage the money so he doesn't blow it. Also, the young man became embarrassed by the amount of money and at a certain point said he wanted the rest to go to an educational charity that had helped him.

Just gives me so many awesome feelz about America and people. I need these stories to help balance out all the cruddy crap.

Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 19, 2018 12:17 AM (CiCKR)

478 Now, if she's not exactly 28 days, then she's not going to sync with the Moon.



You can put me in the coincidence camp unless more evidence comes to light.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 19, 2018 12:12 AM (8O3HH)

Yeah, fuck the moon. I averaged 32 days. After tracking that for 25 years, it was a relief to toss it once menopause hit.

Posted by: Lisa, the smoking hot wife at July 19, 2018 12:17 AM (txw6d)

479
I'm all in favor of orgies, but not with any other men in sight.

As one of my roommates in college put it, I want "swimming pool full of pussy and just dive in".

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 19, 2018 12:17 AM (8O3HH)

480 If Monte-negro was named Monte-caucasian Drumph wouldn't be selling them out to Putin.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein, Brattleboro, VT at July 19, 2018 12:17 AM (GtG/j)

481 Night all.

Speaking of the moon, here is "Bark at the Moon" by Ozzy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F89-MOy7Xfg

Posted by: The Lunar Hat at July 19, 2018 12:17 AM (itfg0)

482 Hey everybody look: Mary C made a funny! :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:18 AM (km8m2)

483 I see John McCain has been successfully uploaded to the cloud. Bravo Mis Him on the picture. It's a good one. Creepy and a bit terrifying. But a damn good one.

Posted by: 1st world problems yoga studio at July 19, 2018 12:18 AM (qFAqW)

484 He was in overalls with a pitchfork. Now, that's not true to Green Acres. Mr. Douglass tried to farm in 3-piece suits, remember. That was one of the jokes.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 19, 2018 12:15 AM (8O3HH)


The (hopelessly feckless liberal) guy who bought Chateau Merde from us let the lawn grow up to about a foot tall, and then tried to mow it with a reel mower (to save the polar bears, of course) on a July day, while he was wearing long trousers and a jacket.

He made it about six feet. Hilarity ensued.

Eventually he called Juan, who mowed the sucker with a gasoline-powered mower. Fuck the polar bears, amirite?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:19 AM (ez9Rh)

485 Hey everybody look: Mary C made a funny! :-P
Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:18 AM (km8m2)

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She's available for kids parties!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2018 12:19 AM (CSNuj)

486 Monty African American

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2018 12:20 AM (IqV8l)

487 1st world problems: I just read that McCain is in such bad shape, he can only move his left foot.

But on the bright side, he's already taught himself to give the finger (affectionally called "the toe") to his bedside staff with it on a regular basis. :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:20 AM (km8m2)

488 Hey everybody look: Mary C made a funny! :-P
Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:18 AM (km8m2)

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She's available for kids parties!



Does she show boobs?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2018 12:20 AM (fuK7c)

489 Random great MJ song...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tKAh--ss1r0



Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 19, 2018 12:20 AM (PUmDY)

490 She's available for kids parties!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2018 12:19 AM (CSNuj)


Yeah, but costs too much extra to show up sober.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:21 AM (km8m2)

491 Yeah, pretty hard to guess when it's that time.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:15 AM (ez9Rh)

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I know you were being facetious, but married guys know when it is time to head for the man cave.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 19, 2018 12:21 AM (yJ9Jf)

492 Oh jeez, that assclown Bizarro Rubio rep Swalwell on Tucker's show.

What a maroon.

Posted by: logprof at July 19, 2018 12:21 AM (e7oj4)

493 OK, I got a great email from an old friend today that I have not heard from in ages. Bear in mind that she was a 5'0" Romanian sparkplug that was very liberal in the 80's, started to turn in the 90's (because she realized the Clintona were assholes - and she still lives in DC:

"I have this utterly obnoxious K street lawyer who lives next door to me. He owns a yappy little dog that craps in my yard and he won't do anything to restrain the dog. He just sneers at me. So last night I had enough. I went out at 2 am because the dog was still barking, and I slapped a "Trump Pence 2016" bumper sticker over the "I support Planned Parenthood" sticker on his fender. I gave money to the Trump campaign in '16 and they sent me the bumper sticker but of course, I couldn't put it on my car. I live in DC. Let's see how long his car goes unkeyed in DC with a Trump bumper sticker on it."

Good old Roxie! I loled.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at July 19, 2018 12:22 AM (H80UQ)

494 a fellow Algerian immigrant shows up in east Texas
dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/07/17/saharan-dust-extreme-heat/

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 19, 2018 12:22 AM (6FqZa)

495 I'm all in favor of orgies, but not with any other men in sight.

As one of my roommates in college put it, I want "swimming pool full of pussy and just dive in".
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 19, 2018 12:17 AM (8O3HH)


This was pretty much my take. I wasn't my idea, but I could see my way clear to rolling around with buck-naked girlfriend and Brigitte Bardot look-alike, because I'm a giver.

Some malodorous French fag, not so much.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:22 AM (ez9Rh)

496
Also the synodic month, the length of the phases of the Moon is variable due to the intricacies of the system. The average length is 29.53 days. It varies from 29.18 to 29.93 days.

And note this is different from the sidereal month, the period of the Moon's orbit, which is 27.32 days.

So a 29 day cycle would be the one closest to the synodic month, not 28 days.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 19, 2018 12:23 AM (8O3HH)

497 Some malodorous French fag, not so much.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:22 AM (ez9Rh)


You'd have to spend some time beforehand wielding a machete to "clear through the brush," IYKWIM...

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:23 AM (km8m2)

498 "I have this utterly obnoxious K street lawyer who lives next door to me. He owns a yappy little dog that craps in my yard and he won't do anything to restrain the dog. He just sneers at me. So last night I had enough. I went out at 2 am because the dog was still barking, and I slapped a "Trump Pence 2016" bumper sticker over the "I support Planned Parenthood" sticker on his fender. I gave money to the Trump campaign in '16 and they sent me the bumper sticker but of course, I couldn't put it on my car. I live in DC. Let's see how long his car goes unkeyed in DC with a Trump bumper sticker on it."

Good old Roxie! I loled.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V. at July 19, 2018 12:22 AM (H80UQ)


Dog + Ex-lax, FTW.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:24 AM (ez9Rh)

499 I have also added:
The taking of personal property by the order of the Governor without the
payment of just compensation is an additional felony violation of 18
U.S. Code 242 since it deprived the victims of their constitutional
rights under the fifth amendment guarantee "that private property shall
not be taken for a public use without just compensation..."

Posted by: An Observation at July 19, 2018 12:24 AM (pCa05)

500 Yeah, pretty hard to guess when it's that time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:15 AM (ez9Rh)

Not at all. I tracked the cycles of all the females in the office.

Posted by: Dwight Shrute at July 19, 2018 12:24 AM (QLvwG)

501 Since we are all Russian Agents now, I thought I might ask a question that you might have an answer for.

What really killed the 9 hikers in the 1959 Dyatlov Pass incident? Was it:

1. Bigfoot
2. Aliens
3. The Loch Ness Monster
4. The Russian Military
5. The KGB
6. Trump

Posted by: Trigger Warning at July 19, 2018 12:25 AM (YRXy3)

502 Some malodorous French fag, not so much.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:22 AM (ez9Rh)

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Yup. Rolling over to find a dick in my face would really quench my ardor.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2018 12:25 AM (CSNuj)

503 Orgies and nude beaches are great in the mind of 15 year old but awful in reality.

Just love the one you're with. As the eagle flies with the dove.

Posted by: eleven at July 19, 2018 12:25 AM (+lOpA)

504 I know you were being facetious, but married guys know when it is time to head for the man cave.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 19, 2018 12:21 AM (yJ9Jf)


You mean the other man cave, amirite?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:25 AM (ez9Rh)

505 Full Moon Boogie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2sqKPlMSeU

PS I just watched the episode of Married With Children where the 3 gals sync up their periods. Frightening stuff. Al took on a bear and a moose to get away.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 19, 2018 12:26 AM (0ogQG)

506 I know you were being facetious, but married guys know when it is time to head for the man cave.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 19, 2018 12:21 AM (yJ9Jf)


Days that end in "day".

Posted by: eleven at July 19, 2018 12:26 AM (+lOpA)

507 /off smoking hot wife sock

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 19, 2018 12:27 AM (txw6d)

508 Yup. Rolling over to find a dick in my face would really quench my ardor.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2018 12:25 AM (CSNuj)


Yep. Here's the other thing: apparently he'd never suggested that to my now girlfriend before we'd tagged up.

Hmmmm.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:27 AM (ez9Rh)

509 Cicero, the days of Weinerama here at the HQ were the very definition of Sausage Fest. Every few days another pic would, er, spring up.

Amazing that someone with so little self-control was considered a potential Presidential cand- oh, right, the Clintons.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 19, 2018 12:28 AM (6FqZa)

510 Imagine a woman as a sphere....

Posted by: Physicist at July 19, 2018 12:28 AM (+lOpA)

511 Yup. Rolling over to find a dick in my face would really quench my ardor.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2018 12:25 AM (CSNuj)



Yep. Here's the other thing: apparently he'd never suggested that to my now girlfriend before we'd tagged up.



Hmmmm.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:27 AM (ez9Rh)


Ooh La La!

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 19, 2018 12:28 AM (QLvwG)

512
There's winning, and there's winning. It depends on what you mean by winning. People who tromp all over people, get to the top of the heap, who have no values, are detested by all who know them, and who die alone and unmourned - quite the contrary - are they winners?

You tell me.

---
Cyrano de Bergerac, 1990 movie, " my old enemies "

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 12:28 AM (jbyD0)

513 Orgies and nude beaches are great in the mind of 15 year old but awful in reality.

"From Here to Eternity" is bullshit.

Making it on the beach is HIGHLY overrated.

Damn sand gets in everything.

Trust a SoCal boy on this one.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:29 AM (ez9Rh)

514 507 /off smoking hot wife sock
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess


or, /on, as the case may be

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 19, 2018 12:29 AM (6FqZa)

515 Orgies and nude beaches are great in the mind of 15 year old but awful in reality.


I can't speak to orgies, but nude beaches can be fantastic.

Before I knew I was a libertarian I had a proto-libertarian thought at a nude beach on Nantucket. I was naked and smoking pot and it occurred to me that all of this was mostly illegal but I wasn't hurting anyone.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2018 12:29 AM (fuK7c)

516 >> Imagine a woman as a sphere....

You know, some woman reporter for the Washingtonian went to see Stormy when she was performing there. She described Stormy's performance as "spherical".

I'm still wondering exactly what that means.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 19, 2018 12:29 AM (8O3HH)

517 Yeah, pretty hard to guess when it's that time.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:15 AM (ez9Rh)

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Nope, not a code. Just get me the fcuk away from her at such a time.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 19, 2018 12:30 AM (yJ9Jf)

518 By the way, a violation of 18 U.S. Code 242 removes the qualified immunity of government officials, allowing them to be sued PERSONALLY for their actions.

Posted by: An Observation at July 19, 2018 12:30 AM (pCa05)

519 Moon's Rock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENizTYvLIZw

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2018 12:31 AM (bNb8V)

520 >> /off smoking hot wife sock
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess

That's a sock you wear well, your Grace.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 19, 2018 12:31 AM (8O3HH)

521 Damn sand gets in everything.

Trust a SoCal boy on this one.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:29 AM (ez9Rh)


Apparently pool sex is crap too. (Never tried it myself)

Water is not a sexual lubricant.

Posted by: Physicist at July 19, 2018 12:31 AM (+lOpA)

522 crap

Posted by: eleven at July 19, 2018 12:31 AM (+lOpA)

523 >> Water is not a sexual lubricant.

It dissolves water-based lubes too, of course. Excoriation can result.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 19, 2018 12:32 AM (8O3HH)

524 501 Since we are all Russian Agents now, I thought I might ask a question that you might have an answer for.

What really killed the 9 hikers in the 1959 Dyatlov Pass incident? Was it:

1. Bigfoot
2. Aliens
3. The Loch Ness Monster
4. The Russian Military
5. The KGB
6. Trump

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I really want to answer Bigfoot but I know the right answer is Trump.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 12:33 AM (jbyD0)

525 That's a sock you wear well, your Grace.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 19, 2018 12:31 AM (8O3HH)

Thank you, {{{Pear}}}!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 19, 2018 12:33 AM (txw6d)

526 Posted by: An Observation at July 19, 2018 12:24 AM (pCa05)

CC whitehouse.gov . . . find which one is to contact or send information.



Posted by: Kindltot at July 19, 2018 12:33 AM (2K6fY)

527 I guess an orgy with another dude in the mix wouldn't be all that bad.

I could give the ladies my usual four and a half minutes of pure ecstasy, and then I could go to sleep and start snoring while dude number two cuddled with them and listened to them blather on about their day, etc.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 19, 2018 12:34 AM (PUbuW)

528 Sigh. Seems like my lower GI has only two modes anymore:

- Hypersuperwangotangodrive
- Off

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:34 AM (km8m2)

529 or, /on, as the case may be

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 19, 2018 12:29 AM (6FqZa)

I'm all for sex wearing sox.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 19, 2018 12:35 AM (txw6d)

530 503 Orgies and nude beaches are great in the mind of 15 year old but awful in reality.

Just love the one you're with. As the eagle flies with the dove.
Posted by: eleven at July 19, 2018 12:25 AM (+lOpA)

I spent a few years managing a photo lab just before digital cameras became big. When I told people what I did, they would often ask if people ever brought in nude photos to be developed. My answer was always the same: Yeah, but it's not the people you want to see naked.

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at July 19, 2018 12:35 AM (jp0Bv)

531 He made it about six feet. Hilarity ensued.

Eventually he called Juan, who mowed the sucker with a gasoline-powered mower. Fuck the polar bears, amirite?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:19 AM (ez9Rh)


Should have used a scythe.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 19, 2018 12:35 AM (/3v/C)

532 Apparently pool sex is crap too. (Never tried it myself)

Water is not a sexual lubricant.
Posted by: Physicist at July 19, 2018 12:31 AM (+lOpA)


Never tried that either, but mucopolysaccharides are water-soluble.

Ever heard the expression "squeaky clean?" Can you imagine a situation where you don't want to squeak?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:36 AM (ez9Rh)

533 I'm all for sex wearing sox.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 19, 2018 12:35 AM (txw6d)

*fistbump*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2018 12:37 AM (CSNuj)

534 I'm all for sex wearing sox.


Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 19, 2018 12:35 AM (txw6d)

Yes! [High Fives] The wearing of socks enhances the climactic moment of bliss.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 19, 2018 12:38 AM (QLvwG)

535 Pool sex is all it's imagined to be.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 19, 2018 12:38 AM (txw6d)

536
Before I knew I was a libertarian I had a
proto-libertarian thought at a nude beach on Nantucket. I was naked and
smoking pot and it occurred to me that all of this was mostly illegal
but I wasn't hurting anyone.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 19, 2018 12:29 AM (fuK7c)


See, this is the initial trap with Libertarianism. The right to do things does not make it nice to look at.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 19, 2018 12:39 AM (2K6fY)

537 521 Apparently pool sex is crap too. (Never tried it myself)

Water is not a sexual lubricant.

Posted by: Physicist


Short strokes. Grin. Yeah, it gets unlubed real quick. Once was enough.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 19, 2018 12:39 AM (0ogQG)

538 wtf?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 19, 2018 12:39 AM (txw6d)

539

Sand in the Schlitz

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2018 12:39 AM (IqV8l)

540 Should have used a scythe.
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at July 19, 2018 12:35 AM (/3v/C)


He was too much of a pussy to do that.

On the walk-through on the house sale, he asked me how to operate the sump pump I'd put in at the distal end of a French drain.

I'm not making this up.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:40 AM (ez9Rh)

541
Ever heard the expression "squeaky clean?" Can you imagine a situation where you don't want to squeak?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 12:36 AM (ez9Rh)

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You know why they call it a squeakhole, don't you? Because on a 12 year-old boy, it really squeaks.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at July 19, 2018 12:40 AM (CSNuj)

542 Yes! [High Fives] The wearing of socks enhances the climactic moment of bliss.


Posted by: Count de Monet at July 19, 2018 12:38 AM (QLvwG)

I read somewhere that warm feet promote female orgasm.
Or was that a dream?

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 19, 2018 12:40 AM (txw6d)

543 CC whitehouse.gov . . . find which one is to contact or send information.
Thanks great suggestion.

Posted by: An Observation at July 19, 2018 12:41 AM (pCa05)

544
Pool sex is all it's imagined to be.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess


Eight ball in the pocket

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 19, 2018 12:41 AM (IqV8l)

545 I think it was in A Civil Campaign by Louis Bujold, where the geeky biochemist was trying to find a rhyme for mucopolysaccharides.

That impressed me so much that I tried to name my 4th of July Bocce team "The Mucopolysaccharides" and got told I couldn't.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 19, 2018 12:42 AM (2K6fY)

546 I think it was in A Civil Campaign by Louis Bujold, where the geeky biochemist was trying to find a rhyme for mucopolysaccharides.


"the dude abides"

Posted by: eleven at July 19, 2018 12:43 AM (+lOpA)

547 529 or, /on, as the case may be

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 19, 2018 12:29 AM (6FqZa)

I'm all for sex wearing sox.


Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 19, 2018 12:35 AM (txw6d)



Supposedly keeping your feet warm can make it easier for a woman to achieve orgasm.


12 hacks for a mind blowing sex life.

https://youtu.be/mq-GnXzBdw4

Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2018 12:45 AM (cAnNx)

548 Time to say goodnight, Horde.
"Goodnight, Horde!"

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 19, 2018 12:46 AM (txw6d)

549 I'm hungry as hell. I would love to have pasta right now - except my low-carb diet means I have no pasta in the house. I'm eating - cottage cheese. Well, my scale will thank me in the morning, I guess,

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&V sez don't you dare walk the damn pitcher at July 19, 2018 12:47 AM (H80UQ)

550 South Koreans discover Czarist ship from Russo-Japanese War that contained naval payroll gold aboard when scuttled. Link in sock; stupid popup crap warning at the Daily Mail if you don't have a script-blocker or similar.

No word on if PDT is going to get the SKs to give all the gold back to Putin.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2018 12:47 AM (Evws/)

551 Time to say goodnight, Horde.
"Goodnight, Horde!"
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 19, 2018 12:46 AM (txw6d)

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Chlorine wishes and caviar dreams!

Posted by: Hairy Reed at July 19, 2018 12:48 AM (CSNuj)

552 12 hacks for a mind blowing sex life.



https://youtu.be/mq-GnXzBdw4

Posted by: buzzion at July 19, 2018 12:45 AM (cAnNx)

Thank you, buzzion!

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 19, 2018 12:48 AM (txw6d)

553 Are you allowed meat, Donna? (No, no innuendo meant.)

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2018 12:48 AM (Evws/)

554 Good night Miley.

Posted by: eleven at July 19, 2018 12:49 AM (+lOpA)

555 Off pedo sock

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2018 12:49 AM (CSNuj)

556 Goodnight Miley!

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:49 AM (km8m2)

557
Our esteemed Kbdabear has put up his Overnight Underwear set too, I noticed.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 19, 2018 12:50 AM (8O3HH)

558 Goodnight, Miley!

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 19, 2018 12:50 AM (QLvwG)

559 publius, better than his Undernight Overwear.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 12:51 AM (km8m2)

560 12 hacks for a mind blowing sex life

Step 1 - find a willing partner

If you're Harry Reid, you can skip this step

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 19, 2018 12:51 AM (6FqZa)

561 Hasta la night night, Horde. Be well.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 19, 2018 12:55 AM (yJ9Jf)

562 Night CM

Posted by: eleven at July 19, 2018 12:56 AM (+lOpA)

563 Slumber away, CM

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 19, 2018 12:58 AM (QLvwG)

564 There was a list at Cracked.com (before they went all SJW nuts and I used to go there a couple of times per month) about unhealthy sex sites and IIRC positions, and there was something negative about pool sex but I can't recall it now. Maybe about getting water up the lady's hoohah?

Posted by: andycanuck at July 19, 2018 01:00 AM (Evws/)

565 And "chlorine wishes" seems super creepy when it is the Searchlight Strangler making that comment.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 19, 2018 01:01 AM (6FqZa)

566 Just below the fiber optic article on the Daily Dot is:



Bill Nye explains what would happen if all the sea ice melted

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 10:21 PM (IqV8l)

Ummm... bet this was not Nye explanation but sea levels would actually drop if all the sea ice melted. Water expands as it freezes and de-expands when it melts.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 19, 2018 01:01 AM (FTXAT)

567 Bill Nye explains

After 'My Sex Junk' I am wholly uninterested in what this antiscientific hack says about anything sciencey. No, I misspoke - I already knew he was a phoney.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 19, 2018 01:03 AM (6FqZa)

568 After 'My Sex Junk' I am wholly uninterested in what this antiscientific hack says about anything sciencey. No, I misspoke - I already knew he was a phoney.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo
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You just hate people who wear bow ties. Admit it. You're a h8ter.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 19, 2018 01:06 AM (Et1Ic)

569 Bill Nye explains what would happen if all the sea ice melted

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 10:21 PM (IqV8l)

Ummm... bet this was not Nye explanation but sea levels would actually drop if all the sea ice melted. Water expands as it freezes and de-expands when it melts.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 19, 2018 01:01 AM (FTXAT)


Ice displaces its weight in water, the rest remains above water level. Which is why ice floats.

If the ice melts, the portion of the ice above water level ... assumes the same level as the water. Upshot: the water level doesn't change.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:06 AM (ez9Rh)

570 The hotdogs are making you crazy.

https://tinyurl.com/y8ncfavg

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 19, 2018 01:06 AM (/qEW2)

571 Upshot: the water level doesn't change.
Eureka!!!

Posted by: zombie archimedes at July 19, 2018 01:08 AM (Evws/)

572 And "chlorine wishes" seems super creepy when it is the Searchlight Strangler making that comment.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 19, 2018 01:01 AM (6FqZa)

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How about chloroform wishes then? Does that work for you?

Posted by: Hairy Reed at July 19, 2018 01:08 AM (CSNuj)

573 If the ice melts, the portion of the ice above water level ... assumes the same level as the water. Upshot: the water level doesn't change.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:06 AM (ez9Rh)


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Could I buy some pot from you?

Posted by: Larry Kroger at July 19, 2018 01:09 AM (CSNuj)

574 Maybe we've been wrong about Obama.

https://tinyurl.com/y7z2oe4e

Apparently he hates men.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 19, 2018 01:09 AM (/qEW2)

575 571 Upshot: the water level doesn't change.
Eureka!!!
Posted by: zombie archimedes at July 19, 2018 01:08 AM (Evws/)


C'mon, what's Archimedes published recently?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:11 AM (ez9Rh)

576 ...This is a good point. I've long believed that female sexuality is more plastic than male, although my wife disagrees.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 11:12 PM (ez9Rh)



Girls grow up playing with Barbie's clothes and styles, then doing one another's seventh-grade makeup and nails, trying on endless dresses, outfits, shoes and accessories together.

And then doing one another's hair, and talking endlessly about one another's dream-boyfriends, real-boyfriends, heartbreaks, emotions, and eventually periods, loves, orgasms, and then repeat the entire cycle, sans the Barbies.

Boys play Evel Knevil, Astronaut, Cop, Robber, Cowboy & Indian.

The only clothes they change is on G.I. Joe's uniform, and they do that alone, or laugh together at the lack of G.I. Junk.

Girlz Magaiznes are (were) all about Teh Feelz, while Boyz Magazines were (and mostly are) all about Teh Thingz ya DOEZ!

And people wonder why women's sexuality is more PLASTIC?

Hell, we're lucky it's not more Play Dough!




Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX



Posted by: Jim at July 19, 2018 01:12 AM (QzJWU)

577 Archimedes was a pimp. He could never have outfought Eratosthenes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2018 01:13 AM (CSNuj)

578 Ice displaces its weight in water, the rest remains above water level. Which is why ice floats.



If the ice melts, the portion of the ice above water level ...
assumes the same level as the water. Upshot: the water level doesn't
change.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:06 AM (ez9Rh)
Bet that wasn't his explanation either:-P
Not nearly enough opportunity for hair on fire panic.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 19, 2018 01:13 AM (FTXAT)

579 C'mon, what's Archimedes published recently?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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More importantly, was it peer reviewed by Peery McPeeryface.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 19, 2018 01:13 AM (Et1Ic)

580 Hey, can I get in on this?

Posted by: Thales of Miletus at July 19, 2018 01:15 AM (CSNuj)

581 Soy "milk" makers may be forced to relabel their products.

https://tinyurl.com/y7qxxuc8

My suggestion: synthetic vomit.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 19, 2018 01:15 AM (/qEW2)

582 550 South Koreans discover Czarist ship from Russo-Japanese War that contained naval payroll gold aboard when scuttled
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Very cool. It's fun to think about what treasures the oceans hide.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 01:17 AM (jbyD0)

583 Soy "milk" makers may be forced to relabel their products.
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Next up - White Chocolate

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 19, 2018 01:17 AM (Et1Ic)

584 Archimedes was a pimp. He could never have outfought Eratosthenes.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2018 01:13 AM (CSNuj)

He assisted Socrates (header) to score on the German philosophers though. Not shabby.
https://youtu.be/ur5fGSBsfq8

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 19, 2018 01:18 AM (QLvwG)

585 Archimedes designed a cable and pulley system that allowed one man to raise an entire Greek trireme out of the water.

Posted by: Thales of Miletus at July 19, 2018 01:18 AM (CSNuj)

586 *snap!*


*scurries off to trademark 'Bean Squeezings'*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 19, 2018 01:18 AM (Et1Ic)

587 I was told that there would be no Greeks on this thread.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 19, 2018 01:19 AM (Et1Ic)

588 Bet that wasn't his explanation either:-P
Not nearly enough opportunity for hair on fire panic.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 19, 2018 01:13 AM (FTXAT)


True. My comment refers only to ice that is floating on water. The melting of ice that was previously on land could, of course, raise the water level, as it is in effect new water.

Now let's see anyone draw that distinction.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:20 AM (ez9Rh)

589 A top Iranian official on Wednesday claimed Iran rejected eight requests to meet with President Trump last year.

The meeting requests, which would have brought Trump together with Iranian president Hassan Rouhani, reportedly came during the United Nations General Assembly in 2017, the New York Times reported.

"Trump asked the Iranian delegation eight times to have a meeting with the president," Rouhani's chief of staff, Mahmoud Vaezi, said on Wednesday.

Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at July 19, 2018 01:21 AM (e8kgV)

590 585 Archimedes designed a cable and pulley system that allowed one man to raise an entire Greek trireme out of the water.
Posted by: Thales of Miletus at July 19, 2018 01:18 AM (CSNuj)


Light years away from my own expertise, but I've always been fascinated by hydraulics, which I view as the ultimate expression of the conservation of energy.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:21 AM (ez9Rh)

591 When Archimedes got up out of the bath and noticed how much water had spilled out of the tub, he said, "I've got to get out of displace!"

Posted by: Stolen joke at July 19, 2018 01:22 AM (Et1Ic)

592 Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 01:22 AM (gEvQ8)

593 The Greeks are always with you my friend! Imagine Democracy without Pericles, philosophy without Socrates or stalwart effort without Testacles!

Posted by: Zorba's publicist at July 19, 2018 01:23 AM (jp0Bv)

594 A top Iranian official on Wednesday claimed Iran rejected eight requests to meet with President Trump last year.

The meeting requests, which would have brought Trump together with Iranian president Hassan Rouhani, reportedly came during the United Nations General Assembly in 2017, the New York Times reported.

"Trump asked the Iranian delegation eight times to have a meeting with the president," Rouhani's chief of staff, Mahmoud Vaezi, said on Wednesday.
Posted by: undocumented illegal SMOD at July 19, 2018 01:21 AM (e8kgV)


I call bullshit on this. Iran is a small, weak, backward, unimportant country, and Trump is a masterful negotiator. Their claim is like saying Bolivia turned down eight requests for a meeting. Probably the first seven were because no one in the State Department could figure out where Bolivia was.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:23 AM (ez9Rh)

595 I've seen things you wouldn't believe.

Posted by: Roy Batty at July 19, 2018 01:24 AM (T8/UU)

596 593 The Greeks are always with you my friend! Imagine Democracy without Pericles, philosophy without Socrates or stalwart effort without Testacles!

Posted by: Zorba's publicist at July 19, 2018 01:23 AM (jp0Bv)


Or homosexuality without ... any of the above!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:25 AM (ez9Rh)

597 Workin' tomorrow requires sleepin' tonight.

Hasta la nite nite, Horde!




Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 19, 2018 01:25 AM (QzJWU)

598 True. My comment refers only to ice that is floating
on water. The melting of ice that was previously on land could, of
course, raise the water level, as it is in effect new water.



Now let's see anyone draw that distinction.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:20 AM (ez9Rh)

That is true... I have noticed that lefties are way more obsessed with melting icebergs though. And they make no distinction at all. Plus Manhattan was slated to be underwater a decade ago according to the Goricle.

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 19, 2018 01:25 AM (FTXAT)

599 That is true... I have noticed that lefties are way more obsessed with melting icebergs though. And they make no distinction at all. Plus Manhattan was slated to be underwater a decade ago according to the Goricle.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 19, 2018 01:25 AM (FTXAT)


Yet another Democrat promise unfulfilled.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:26 AM (ez9Rh)

600 That is true... I have noticed that lefties are way more obsessed with melting icebergs though. And they make no distinction at all. Plus Manhattan was slated to be underwater a decade ago according to the Goricle.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 19, 2018 01:25 AM (FTXAT)

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To be fair, Times Square does smell a lot like old fish.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2018 01:27 AM (CSNuj)

601 Socrates was the better rapper though, https://goo.gl/60YILf

Posted by: auscolpyr at July 19, 2018 01:29 AM (oFsfu)

602 Soy "milk" makers may be forced to relabel their products.

https://tinyurl.com/y7qxxuc8

My suggestion: synthetic vomit.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 19, 2018 01:15 AM (/qEW2)

*bursts into tears*

Posted by: Soibois Everywhere at July 19, 2018 01:29 AM (j6XEO)

603 593 The Greeks are always with you my friend! Imagine Democracy without Pericles

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Piss off, imposter.

Posted by: Cleisthenes at July 19, 2018 01:32 AM (CSNuj)

604 Plus Manhattan was slated to be underwater a decade ago according to the Goricle.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 19, 2018 01:25 AM (FTXAT)

But it is underwater!



...whenever it rains.

Posted by: Al Gore at July 19, 2018 01:33 AM (j6XEO)

605 True. My comment refers only to ice that is floating on water. The melting of ice that was previously on land could, of course, raise the water level, as it is in effect new water.

Now let's see anyone draw that distinction.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:20 AM (ez9Rh)

The Bill Nye "explanation" up-thread specifically referred to sea ice.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2018 01:33 AM (bNb8V)

606 Pericles wasn't no homo.

Posted by: Aspasia at July 19, 2018 01:35 AM (6FqZa)

607 That is true... I have noticed that lefties are way more obsessed with melting icebergs though.

You mean like the famous photo of the polar bears looking around plaintively while they sit on an ice floe?

Never mind that polar bears (Linnean name: Ursus maritimus, "bear of the sea") have been seen swimming 100 miles out to sea.

What do you notice about that photo?

It was taken in broad daylight. Where do polar bears live? Above the Arctic Circle. When is there broad daylight above the Arctic Circle? In summer. Only. Spring and fall have dim sunlight, whereas winter is pitch black.

So stop me when I lie, but that photo proves, unequivocally, that some ice melts in the Arctic summer.

Stop press.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:35 AM (ez9Rh)

608 on this topic, we should note that Male homosexuality quite a different thing than female homosexuality. Most of the male homosexuals I've known admire women, identify with women, want to be more like women. On the other hand, the vast majority of the female homosexuals I've known hate men and do not want to have anything to do with me. Also, those I have known have usually ended up relating that it stems from a time when they were badly mistreated and abused by a male authority figure, usually a close relative.

At least those are my personal observations.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 11:08 PM (V2Yro)


Homosexuals reproduce by abuse. The vast majority of them have been abused when they were kids, and they perpetuate the cycle.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 19, 2018 01:35 AM (/qEW2)

609 Though it isn't close to being the cultural touchstone/genre-defining film noir-scifi-punk-Dickensian-paranoia of the original... Blade Runner 2049 isn't half bad.

And in the context of the SJW comic hero bullshit of current Hollywood, it's fucking Casablanca..

Posted by: Al Craptom at July 19, 2018 01:36 AM (T8/UU)

610 The Bill Nye "explanation" up-thread specifically referred to sea ice.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2018 01:33 AM (bNb8V)


I know. I just wanted to include that caveat explicitly, in advance, in case some troll should cavil about my assertion.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:36 AM (ez9Rh)

611 And in the context of the SJW comic hero bullshit of current Hollywood, it's fucking Casablanca..
Posted by: Al Craptom at July 19, 2018 01:36 AM (T8/UU)

Phrasing?

Posted by: Casablanca at July 19, 2018 01:37 AM (j6XEO)

612 Plus Manhattan was slated to be underwater a decade ago according to the Goricle.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 19, 2018 01:25 AM (FTXAT)


It could tip over!

Posted by: Hank Johnson, higher primate geologist at July 19, 2018 01:38 AM (ez9Rh)

613 Homosexuals reproduce by abuse. The vast majority of them have been abused when they were kids, and they perpetuate the cycle.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 19, 2018 01:35 AM (/qEW2)

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Oh, now this kind of Paleozoic thinking will not do AT ALL.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 19, 2018 01:38 AM (CSNuj)

614 Bill NyeTotal fraud and imposter. One thing that humans for the last 50,000 years have done is adapt to their immediate surroundings. Just 10,000 years ago, a really large chunk of North America and Europe were under thousands of feet of ice and guess what? We still aren't extinct. We adapt to and overcome the environment that we live in. (I may have just doomed the human race. Those people were hardy. Now, not so much)

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 01:39 AM (gEvQ8)

615 People must get the idea that a magazine that goes full-on climate change is advertising that they will take any position for money.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 19, 2018 01:41 AM (rnAwa)

616 The Bill Nye "explanation" up-thread specifically referred to sea ice.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2018 01:33 AM (bNb8V)


Good thing Bill Nye got out of mechanical engineering, yes?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:42 AM (ez9Rh)

617 The moment I knew that Gorebull Climate change was bull puckies? When Phil Jones destroyed his data rather than allow other scientists to review it. Then continued to say that he was right and everyone else was wrong.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 01:43 AM (gEvQ8)

618 Homosexuals reproduce by abuse. The vast majority of them have been abused when they were kids, and they perpetuate the cycle.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 19, 2018 01:35 AM (/qEW2)


We will ignore the obvious social policy ramifications of that, if true, which I think they are.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:44 AM (ez9Rh)

619 Bill Nye owes the movie "Underworld" as his reasdon for being paid attention to, and that's it.

Posted by: Al Craptom at July 19, 2018 01:45 AM (T8/UU)

620 Homosexuals reproduce by abuse. The vast majority of them have been abused when they were kids, and they perpetuate the cycle.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 19, 2018 01:35 AM (/qEW2)

The most useless observation by homosexuals themselves is that nobody would choose voluntarily to become a homosexual. They claim that proves that it is innate, but in fact, it proves exactly the opposite.

Nobody would choose it, but it is forced upon them by predators. That in turn normalizes is for the predators, because they can claim that so many of them exist.

In fact, it is one among many degenerations, but it is one of the more pernicious and difficult to overcome.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 19, 2018 01:46 AM (NXsWM)

621 And backing that up was an official government agency that "adjusted" the data to be more "accurate" then won't let anyone else review the raw data. In fact, a large amount of the raw data seems to have been "unfortunately" lost so it cannot be reproduced. Looking at you NASA and NOAA.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 01:46 AM (gEvQ8)

622 Bill NyeTotal fraud and imposter.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 01:39 AM (gEvQ

Blasphemy!!! Those who insult the Dear Leader with wrongthink will pay dearly for their crimes!

Posted by: Bill Nye's Cult of Personality at July 19, 2018 01:46 AM (j6XEO)

623 617 The moment I knew that Gorebull Climate change was bull puckies? When Phil Jones destroyed his data rather than allow other scientists to review it. Then continued to say that he was right and everyone else was wrong.
Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 01:43 AM (gEvQ/i]

I reviewed roughly a paper a day when I was in academia. Any paper that refused to disclose is raw data or data reduction algorithms (each usually submitted as supplementary material) I'd have rejected out of hand.

"Take me word for it" is bullshit, and unscientific. If your data and your results will stand up to scrutiny, a scientist will welcome such scrutiny. And conversely.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:47 AM (ez9Rh)

624 Bill NyeTotal fraud and imposter.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 01:39 AM (gEvQ


Engineer =! scientist.

Just as scientist =! engineer.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:48 AM (ez9Rh)

Posted by: Surfperch, Trying to Stop the Italicans from taking over the Thread at July 19, 2018 01:49 AM (j6XEO)

626 Jay, science is science. You can either prove your hypothesis, or not. So why do so many support this crap and try to sell it to everyone else? The people who scream the science is settled infuriate me to no end. Yet so many believe them.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 01:50 AM (gEvQ8)

627 And backing that up was an official government agency that "adjusted" the data to be more "accurate" then won't let anyone else review the raw data. In fact, a large amount of the raw data seems to have been "unfortunately" lost so it cannot be reproduced. Looking at you NASA and NOAA.
Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 01:46 AM (gEvQ


I have data that Barack Obama is a notorious homosexual whose apotheosis was engineered by the CPUSA.

Unfortunately, I lost the data.

But in this case, the proposition is eminently plausible.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:51 AM (ez9Rh)

628 625
Posted by: Surfperch, Trying to Stop the Italicans from taking over the Thread at July 19, 2018 01:49 AM (j6XEO)


Thanks, but I practice safe commenting.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:52 AM (ez9Rh)

629 Posted by: Surfperch, Trying to Stop the Italicans from taking over the Thread at July 19, 2018 01:49 AM (j6XEO)

Thanks, but I practice safe commenting.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:52 AM (ez9Rh)

Does your nic include close tags or something?

Posted by: Surfperch at July 19, 2018 01:54 AM (j6XEO)

630 626 Jay, science is science. You can either prove your hypothesis, or not. So why do so many support this crap and try to sell it to everyone else? The people who scream the science is settled infuriate me to no end. Yet so many believe them.
Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 01:50 AM (gEvQ


Old Blue, I do not know. Truly. But no science is settled. None whatsoever. Nothing could have been on a more sound footing than Newtonian mechanics. Conservation of parity was Holy Writ - in the pantheon with conservation of energy and momentum - until 1956. And that's no shit experimental physics, about as hard a science as you're going to find.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:56 AM (ez9Rh)

631 But in this case, the proposition is eminently plausible.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:51 AM (ez9Rh)

I do believe that others have replicated your work, so you're good.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 01:56 AM (gEvQ8)

632 I think I may've killed the thread.

Posted by: Surfperch at July 19, 2018 01:56 AM (j6XEO)

633 Does your nic include close tags or something?
Posted by: Surfperch at July 19, 2018 01:54 AM (j6XEO)


Yep. It's the anti-Scotch device.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:57 AM (ez9Rh)

634 That's another day shot. But the kid had fun.

Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned at July 19, 2018 02:00 AM (h8kDo)

635 Yep. It's the anti-Scotch device.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:57 AM (ez9Rh)


Preventive engineering.

Posted by: eleven at July 19, 2018 02:01 AM (+lOpA)

636 You can either prove your hypothesis, or not.

In fact, you can only disprove a hypothesis. You can never prove one. You can only establish that a hypothesis is consistent with the facts known to date, but cannot exclude the possibility that future facts will disprove it.

It's one of the more challenging concepts of the scientific method. The best one can ever say is, "No facts in hand tp date give the lie to this explanation."

That's it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 02:02 AM (ez9Rh)

637 Yep. It's the anti-Scotch device.

I don't know what's in the barrel, but it sure as heck ain't Scotch.

Posted by: mikeski at July 19, 2018 02:03 AM (P1f+c)

638 Preventive engineering.
Posted by: eleven at July 19, 2018 02:01 AM (+lOpA)


Cyber condom.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 02:03 AM (ez9Rh)

639 I don't know what's in the barrel, but it sure as heck ain't Scotch.
Posted by: mikeski at July 19, 2018 02:03 AM (P1f+c)


Good reason right there to avoid it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 02:03 AM (ez9Rh)

640 mikeski: the barrel fluid formulation was first mixed together by a top-secret crew at Area 51 in 1979...

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 02:08 AM (km8m2)

641 In fact, you can only disprove a hypothesis. You can never prove one
Point taken. But here was the thing about Phil Jones. He repeatedly claimed that he could prove Man Made Gorebull Enwarmening, but refused to release his data. After three FOIA requests and a court battle (which he lost) he was directed by the courts to produce his data so that other scientists could review it. Instead, he destroyed his data and claimed that he would not allow deniers to use his data against him. He was afraid of being disproved, and his bullshit shown to be exactly that.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 02:10 AM (gEvQ8)

642 Thirst!

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 02:11 AM (YtJs4)

643 I guess it just pisses me off when all these people scream that the science is settled when nothing is further from the truth. And then they want to make us succumb to their agenda.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 02:13 AM (gEvQ8)

644 642
Thirst!

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 02:11 AM (YtJs4)

Well, if you're going to the refrigerator, I'll take one while you're at it. Screaming from the top of AtC's soapbox makes me thirsty too.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 02:14 AM (gEvQ8)

645 Well the 23 hour trip to the U.S. begins in the morning at o'dark hundred. Hope I get no delays as I have a bloody busy fortnight of shooting, suppressors, cigars and boozing with new American mates. I love my life.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at July 19, 2018 02:15 AM (v1rd+)

646 just got in from a LONG public meeting.

the upside is that, for the first time in two years, i can freely speak my mind, and tell the useless bitchy assholes what utter and complete contempt i hold their them in.

it was fun.

even more fun is that they screwed up several important parts, which i will now point out, and they will have to do them all over again next month.

i make a great friend and a lousy enemy. they chose poorly.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 02:15 AM (YtJs4)

647 NZFrank: so surpressors allowed here in #Failifornia, but if you have time in Lost Angels, there is shooting.

add " AT moronhorde DOT com" to my nick

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 02:18 AM (YtJs4)

648 Well, time for me to go to bed. Night, Horde.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 19, 2018 02:18 AM (bNb8V)

649 make that "no suppressors"...

stupid s*ber fingers!


Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 02:19 AM (YtJs4)

650 Point taken. But here was the thing about Phil Jones. He repeatedly claimed that he could prove Man Made Gorebull Enwarmening, but refused to release his data. After three FOIA requests and a court battle (which he lost) he was directed by the courts to produce his data so that other scientists could review it. Instead, he destroyed his data and claimed that he would not allow deniers to use his data against him. He was afraid of being disproved, and his bullshit shown to be exactly that.
Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 02:10 AM (gEvQ


Which is why he's not a scientist. Anything I published, I submitted ALL of the supporting supplementary material. If anyone wrote me, I'd supply whatever further information I could. Why? Because I wanted the truth to come out, regardless of the impact on my personal fortunes.

As I used to tell my students, at some point we'll all be dead. You want something to leave behind you? The truth is a good thing to leave behind.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 02:20 AM (ez9Rh)

651 Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at July 19, 2018 02:15 AM (v1rd+)

Safe travels and have a great time blowing up targets, you won't like the local beer, local women will be attracted to your accent, and the cigars can be quite good. Drop in from time to time and update us on your visit. There won't be such a large time lag.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 02:20 AM (gEvQ8)

652 The truth is a good thing to leave behind.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 02:20 AM (ez9Rh)

You are a scientist I could listen to seriously. You have honesty and integrity, unlike some others I won't name.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 02:23 AM (gEvQ8)

653 Safe travels and have a great time blowing up targets, you won't like the local beer, local women will be attracted to your accent, and the cigars can be quite good. Drop in from time to time and update us on your visit. There won't be such a large time lag.
Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 02:20 AM (gEvQ


Seconded.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 02:23 AM (ez9Rh)

654 Well, I wish the Morons here were teaching science in schools. You know who is? Bill effing Nye the science guy, no lie.

Congrats red, I'm glad to hear it. Do you want to give more details? Why can you now freely speak your mind?

And if you're handing out drinks I'll take one.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 02:25 AM (jbyD0)

655 You are a scientist I could listen to seriously. You have honesty and integrity, unlike some others I won't name.
Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 02:23 AM (gEvQ


Thank you. That's high praise.

A scientist without integrity is a contradiction in terms.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 02:26 AM (ez9Rh)

656 (swaying to Elvis...thanks for that one, MisHum)

Bottom o' the morning to you, Horde.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 02:30 AM (cOHsM)

657 Red and Old Blue. Pixy hamsters crapped on my phone. Thanks I will keep any updates as I can.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at July 19, 2018 02:30 AM (v1rd+)

658 i've already handed out all the drinks...

there was just enough for ->ME<-

sorry 'bout that! (not)

someone else is President, and, while i applied for an open seat, they gave it to someone else with ZERO experience.

certain parties have been butthurt because i've not been overly diplomatic with them in the past.

tonight they started to learn what can be said when i have no reason to give even a fraction of a damn, since i have no impetus to be even slightly diplomatic.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 02:32 AM (YtJs4)

659 Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at July 19, 2018 02:30 AM (v1rd+)

See ya' soon Buddy. Again, have a safe trip.
With that, I'm off to bed. There's a killer pillow in the next room calling my name. Hasta all

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 02:32 AM (gEvQ8)

660 red, isn't it fun when you have nothing to lose?

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 02:34 AM (cOHsM)

661 And a doff of the headdress to Jay also. It is going to be an effing great trip.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at July 19, 2018 02:35 AM (v1rd+)

662 A scientist without integrity is a contradiction in terms.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 02:26 AM (ez9Rh)


Let me expand on that. Scientific research is not an obvious way to big bucks.

So why do it? Because you want to find out Truth, in an uncertain and corrupt world.

So if you're willing to be corrupted as a scientist, why not just go into business or politics to begin with? Otherwise, it's like becoming a Catholic priest to meet chicks.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 02:35 AM (ez9Rh)

663 "Well, I never been to heaven,
But I been to Oklahoma"

Yup. We lucky ones got to stay.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 02:35 AM (cOHsM)

664 tonight they started to learn what can be said when i have no reason to give even a fraction of a damn, since i have no impetus to be even slightly diplomatic.
--
Ah, sorry you didn't get the seat but maybe you will be able to do even more as a hostile, honest non seated person.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 02:37 AM (jbyD0)

665 naow?

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 02:39 AM (YtJs4)

666 What is it that you like about Oklahoma, creeper?

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 02:40 AM (jbyD0)

667 x

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 02:41 AM (YtJs4)

668 Huh, and I don't even know how to do the devil face.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 02:42 AM (jbyD0)

669 Ah, sorry you didn't get the seat but maybe you will be able to do even more as a hostile, honest non seated person.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 02:37 AM (jbyD0)

---
that process is starting tonight...

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 02:42 AM (YtJs4)

670 Happy My Birthday, my fellow late night ONTers!

The day itself was a mixed bag, but early on there was bacon, and later on there was a swim under the stars.

So considering the alternative, I remain blessed.

Hugs & tequila all 'round!!

Posted by: Shopgirl at July 19, 2018 02:42 AM (WbDYD)

671 You are a scientist I could listen to seriously. You have honesty and integrity, unlike some others I won't name.
Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 02:23 AM (gEvQ


The lesson, for all and sundry: your coordinates are not (0,0,0).

From that, all else follows.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 02:43 AM (ez9Rh)

672 Happy birthday shop girl!
Swim under the stars sounds awesome.
A return hug for you and thanks for the tequila.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 02:46 AM (jbyD0)

673 Pretty much everything, Kestrel. Oklahoma is still the America I grew up in. It's as though the past fifty years or so just skipped this state.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 02:50 AM (cOHsM)

674 qdpsteve,

I want to tell you what somebody once told me about weddings and have you apply that to your family vacations, etc.

When one plans a wedding, there is always some family member/good friend who is unavailable a particular date or even time or the catering hall or church is already booked. No matter what you do, you just can't ever seem to find a date good for all the important people in your life.

The solution I was told was to plan your wedding for when you want to do it. If you want to get married in Hawaii at 3 in the morning while scuba diving in the ocean 20 feet down, those who WANT to attend your wedding will be there with face masks, flippers and air tanks on.

Same goes for family vacations. There's no problem with reasonable accommodation/discussion, or someone cancelling because of some real emergency, but after a certain point you must simply plan your vacation when you want to take it and where you want to take it, giving out the particulars to those who you wish to go along. After that, if they still hem and haw, go whether they are going on not because if they really WANTED to go, they'd go.

What's happening to you is a form of passive/aggressive dominance and it's nonsense. Once you start going to the places you want to go on your vacation and they choose not to go with you, they will either see that their game playing no longer works on you, or they'll be mad at you, or they'll apologize to you after they see all the fun pics you took (yeah, I know, fat chance of that happening). But now they will know they can no longer manipulate you. And that's what their game playing is all about, manipulation and dominance.

In the immortal words of Anonymous: Fuck that shit!

Posted by: RickZ at July 19, 2018 02:50 AM (8lsuS)

675
The lesson, for all and sundry: your coordinates are not (0,0,0).

From that, all else follows.
---
I'm not the center of the universe? I think I need remedial science lessons cuz I'm not following.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 02:51 AM (jbyD0)

676 673 Pretty much everything, Kestrel. Oklahoma is still the America I grew up in. It's as though the past fifty years or so just skipped this state.
--
I see the attraction in that.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 02:53 AM (jbyD0)

677 RickZ: thanks and I agree. :-)

Right now it's looking like I will have family with me for the first night of the trip, and I will be alone the second night. I can live with that. But there's no way I'm going to do what I think they want me to, and cancel my second night, just because no one else wants to be there.

It just seems like my sisters and mom have no concept of "It's MY life." But it is MY life. I guess I have to just learn to enforce that.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 02:54 AM (km8m2)

678 Further to the above...

Taxes in OK are rock bottom. People leave you alone for the most part. Kids are still free-range...ours are roaming the hills and swimming in the creeks instead of zoning out with their phones. Most people still say "sir" and "ma'am". At night you can see more stars than you thought existed.

I feel safe here. A bad guy with a gun is probably going to run into several good guys with guns who are more than willing to use them. (That's provided he gets past me to begin with.)

I live in fear that the rest of the world will discover what we've got and want in on it.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 02:57 AM (cOHsM)

679 Posted by: RickZ at July 19, 2018 02:50 AM (8lsuS)

"This is how it's gonna be. Hope to see you there, if not, maybe next time."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 02:58 AM (ez9Rh)

680 RickZ, that was sound advice you gave qdpsteve. Boiled down it's similar to my theory on men: If you don't want to be with me, I damn sure don't want to be with you.

steve, you've been bending for years. They'll probably be shocked when you quit. Long overdue.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 03:01 AM (cOHsM)

681 RickZ, that was sound advice you gave qdpsteve. Boiled down it's similar to my theory on men: If you don't want to be with me, I damn sure don't want to be with you.

I've long said that the underlying principle of all human relations is reciprocity.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 03:06 AM (ez9Rh)

682 i've said for years that, if you had two lives, you could live one doing what everyone else wants you to do, and then one for yourself.

since we only get one, you have to decide, you or them?

sing with me: "them, them, fuck them..."

can i get an "amen"?

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 03:06 AM (YtJs4)

683 Amen.

Scroom.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 03:08 AM (cOHsM)

684 678 Further to the above...

Taxes in OK are rock bottom. People leave you alone for the most part. Kids are still free-range...ours are roaming the hills and swimming in the creeks instead of zoning out with their phones. Most people still say "sir" and "ma'am". At night you can see more stars than you thought existed.

I feel safe here. A bad guy with a gun is probably going to run into several good guys with guns who are more than willing to use them. (That's provided he gets past me to begin with.)

I live in fear that the rest of the world will discover what we've got and want in on it.

----
Well, the hope would be that the influence of those ideals would expand and then it wouldn't be intrusion but rather expansion.

But I could be completely wrong, maybe those ideals can't exist in a place where you can't see the stars at night.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 03:09 AM (jbyD0)

685 It just seems like my sisters and mom have no concept of "It's MY life." But it is MY life. I guess I have to just learn to enforce that.
Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 02:54 AM (km8m2)


Ah, the Trump effect.

Pro tip: book the FIRST night somewhere unacceptable to them. And the second. And the third.

If you're doing the heavy lifting, you call the shots. Let the bitches either a) sign on, b) make their own fucking arrangements, or c) bugger off.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 03:10 AM (ez9Rh)

686 It just seems like my sisters and mom have no concept of "It's MY life." But it is MY life. I guess I have to just learn to enforce that.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 02:54 AM (km8m2)


Yes to that, without being a total asshole. But make no mistake, some assholiness will always be required because . . . people suck. As you say, it's your life. Last I checked, we only get one of those.

Posted by: RickZ at July 19, 2018 03:13 AM (8lsuS)

687 It just seems like my sisters and mom have no concept of "It's MY life." But it is MY life. I guess I have to just learn to enforce that.
Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 02:54 AM (km8m2)


You're the man. Step up, and play the part. The rooster doesn't poll the hens on what to do. Feminism notwithstanding, it is the man's role to protect and to lead.

The hens will (probably secretly) respect and appreciate that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 03:15 AM (ez9Rh)

688 As I used to tell my students, at some point we'll
all be dead. You want something to leave behind you? The truth is a good
thing to leave behind.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 02:20 AM (ez9Rh)
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these days you are only entitled to *your* truth, and that's only if your truth is acceptable. otherwise you're a racist H8r supporting the patriarchy and colonialism.

#HTH!

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 03:17 AM (YtJs4)

689 682 i've said for years that, if you had two lives, you could live one doing what everyone else wants you to do, and then one for yourself.
--
I hate to be contrarian, but...why can't it be a mutually beneficial, reciprocal, relationship?

I mean in theory, not Steve's case.

Steve, I still think you can learn to do things on your own and even learn to interact with others that are doing things on their own.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 03:19 AM (jbyD0)

690 It just seems like my sisters and mom have no concept of "It's MY life." But it is MY life. I guess I have to just learn to enforce that.
Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 02:54 AM (km8m2)


Yep.

"OK, bitches, here's the plan. We're going to do x, y, z. Any questions? No. I didn't think so."

There won't be a dry set of panties in the house. Trust me on this.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 03:19 AM (ez9Rh)

691 these days you are only entitled to *your* truth, and that's only if your truth is acceptable. otherwise you're a racist H8r supporting the patriarchy and colonialism.

#HTH!
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 03:17 AM (YtJs4)


There is only truth, and untruth.

That's it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 03:22 AM (ez9Rh)

692 But I could be completely wrong, maybe those ideals can't exist in a place where you can't see the stars at night.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 03:09 AM (jbyD0)

**************************************
This stopped me cold. Maybe you're right. Maybe it's our loss of connection to the world we live in that's making us crazy.
S'funny. When I went looking for this place the realtor asked what I wanted in a house. Know what the first item on the list was? "A view of the western sky." The second? "A window over the sink." I got my window over the sink...with a view of the western sky for good measure. Rooms and square footage and fancy appliances were all secondary. It was about the world around me. (Though the fireplace and hot tub were selling points.)
The peace and quiet here insulates me from what's unfolding out there. If it goes to hell in Oklahoma there's no hope anywhere.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 03:24 AM (cOHsM)

693 Deplorable Jay, creeper, red and RickZ, yup, yup, yup, yup and thanks, thanks, thanks and thanks. :-)

Jay: dither next year or 2020, I want to go to both Death Valley and Lake Tahoe, and be gone an entire week.

Anyway, most likely my itinerary will be:

Day/Night 1: drive to Lone Pine, CA and stay there
Days 2 & 3: drive through Death Valley, check out locations for possible horror movie, maybe even walk a few trails (during non-heat peak hours of course)
Day 4: drive to Tahoe, stay there from Night 4 to Day 7 or 8
Day 7 or 8, start driving home. I might try to stop somewhere else on the way down the 395, like Bishop or Mammoth, adding a day or two. I might also just stop in Ridgecrest and see what's available to shoot in that area, as it's closer than Death Valley.

My hunch is that if family joins me at all, they'll join me in Tahoe for one, two or three nights. But on THAT trip, I am going to be in charge of the entire itinerary.

I guarantee family will ask over and over: why do you have to go so many places? It's so hot in Death Valley, why do you want to visit there? Why do you have so spend so long in Tahoe?

Well, it's just that at this stage I'd rather spend too long than not long enough. I don't know when I'll get to come back and I want to make absolutely certain to enjoy myself. That decision too will be relentlessly questioned by my family, but so be it. I'm not gonna budge, and I've planned this for some time now (at least a year).

Thanks everyone for the support, and I'm gonna call it a night. The great chat and support is truly appreciated. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 03:26 AM (km8m2)

694 Happy Birthday, Shopgirl!

Posted by: Surfperch at July 19, 2018 03:26 AM (j6XEO)

695 "OK, bitches, here's the plan. We're going to do x, y, z. Any questions? No. I didn't think so."
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Seriously?

I only see that working in a very limited set of circumstances.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 03:28 AM (jbyD0)

696 AmericanKestrel, thanks to you too. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 03:28 AM (km8m2)

697 Taxes in OK are rock bottom. People leave you alone for the most part. Kids are still free-range...ours are roaming the hills and swimming in the creeks instead of zoning out with their phones. Most people still say "sir" and "ma'am". At night you can see more stars than you thought existed.

I feel safe here. A bad guy with a gun is probably going to run into several good guys with guns who are more than willing to use them. (That's provided he gets past me to begin with.)

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 02:57 AM (cOHsM)

Sounds exactly like the Oklahoma I knew as a child. Glad to know it hasn't changed.

Posted by: Surfperch at July 19, 2018 03:30 AM (j6XEO)

698 I guarantee family will ask over and over: why do you have to go so many places? It's so hot in Death Valley, why do you want to visit there? Why do you have so spend so long in Tahoe?

Proper response: "Because I fucking feel like it. You got a problem with that? (followed by a subtle glare)

Establish dominance, my brother. You're the man of the family. You call the shots.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 03:30 AM (ez9Rh)

699 steve...a question for you. Do you enjoy your own company?

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 03:30 AM (cOHsM)

700 Guess I can stick a bit longer. :-)

Creeper, actually yes I do. One of the things that gives me hope. I've done things on my own, just never on as big a scale as what I'm describing here.

I think I'm ready; my family OTOH... worries, to be generous to their POV.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 03:33 AM (km8m2)

701 Seriously?

I only see that working in a very limited set of circumstances.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 03:28 AM (jbyD0)


Me too. When the person in charge is an alpha male.

If "he" is a pussy, then you have a point.

Little appreciated point: 99% of all women LIKE a man to play the man's role.

Condolences to your wife, whoever she /he may be.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 03:34 AM (ez9Rh)

702 My neighbor has been shooting at rats with his airgun at exactly this time every night for close to a month now. It's so regular I could set my watch to it (not that I ever wear a watch).

Posted by: Surfperch at July 19, 2018 03:35 AM (j6XEO)

703 shot fire at democratic headquarters in new york tonight. things are heating up! alec jones has already called it a false flag operation.

Posted by: wammo at July 19, 2018 03:37 AM (fab/B)

704 dems will soon learn 2 amendment is for them to! bill ayres said on alec jones show.

Posted by: wammo at July 19, 2018 03:39 AM (fab/B)

705 "Do you enjoy your own company?"

Creeper, actually yes I do. One of the things that gives me hope. I've
done things on my own, just never on as big a scale as what I'm
describing here.



**********************************

Then you're home free. You'd be surprised how much fun you can have on the road by yourself. There's nobody else to answer to. See a place that looks interesting? You just stop. Hungry now? Stop. All without ever having to consult a passenger.

Go. Have fun. Report back.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 03:40 AM (cOHsM)

706 creeper, will do. Looking forward to having photos to share.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 03:40 AM (km8m2)

707 Steve, your plans sound great. My recommendation is to let your family know what you are doing and that they are welcome to join you. When the questions and whining start, the first response is "this is what I want, this is what I'm doing." The second time you hear questions or whining the response is "I've already told you and I'm not going to answer again." And then follow your plans and have fun however it turns out.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 03:42 AM (jbyD0)

708 Seriously?

I only see that working in a very limited set of circumstances.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 03:28 AM (jbyD0)


Yes. In a management positiion, e.g., as head of a household, you entertain a number of proposed courses of action, from all quarters, and without commentary.

Having heard them all, you choose one, and ram it home. And remember who proposed ridiculous courses action, and subsequently act accordingly.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 03:42 AM (ez9Rh)

709 AK, agreed and thanks.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 03:43 AM (km8m2)

710 Lots of good advice from everyone. Thanks to all.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 03:43 AM (km8m2)

711 Surfperch, send your neighbor over here to deal with this ferschlugginer raccoon that keeps raiding my birdfeeder. That's why I'm up at this ungodly hour. I'm on raccoon patrol and have chased that stinker off the deck twice already tonight.

Oh, and while he's at it, have him bring extra ammo for the armadillos, please.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 03:44 AM (cOHsM)

712 Jay Guevara, the latent feminist in me wants to argue with you. But the inner girl admits you're right with this..."Little appreciated point: 99% of all women LIKE a man to play the man's role."

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 03:47 AM (cOHsM)

713 Backyard neighbor decided to have a fireworks display after 9:30 pm

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2018 03:49 AM (pHfeF)

714 Jay, maybe we are just approaching this from two widely separate places.

I agree most women want an alpha male. I think there are very few instances in which an alpha male would need to say what you said in the way that you said it.

Real power doesn't often need to assert itself, it just is.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 03:52 AM (jbyD0)

715 I'm on raccoon patrol and have chased that stinker off the deck twice already tonight.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 03:44 AM (cOHsM)

Have you considered live-trapping?

Posted by: Surfperch at July 19, 2018 03:52 AM (j6XEO)

716 That's next on the agenda, Surfperch. Neighbor offered me a live trap yesterday. I'll pick it up today.

If I catch him it's going to be a struggle to get him in the back of the Durango and haul him off to far parts. He's HUGE!

This is one of those times when I miss a man.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 03:56 AM (cOHsM)

717 I think I'm ready; my family OTOH... worries, to be generous to their POV.
Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 03:33 AM (km8m2)


Here's a newsflash: FUCK your family and their POV. You're the man of the family, and presumably bankrollng the whole thing. The only opinion that matter is that of who is bankrolling the operation, i.e., you.

Now I wouldn't make that linkage explicit, but it is the reality. Nothing should take place that doesn't meet with your approval. You're not a dictator; you're the Supreme Court, the final court of appeal.

Why? Because you're the man of the family.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 03:57 AM (ez9Rh)

718 I agree most women want an alpha male. I think there are very few instances in which an alpha male would need to say what you said in the way that you said it.

Real power doesn't often need to assert itself, it just is.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 03:52 AM (jbyD0)

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This^

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 19, 2018 03:57 AM (9KR27)

719 Yah. That. An alpha male just is.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 03:58 AM (cOHsM)

720 Dep Jay, okay. Thanks. :-)
I always get fresh new perspectives here...

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 19, 2018 04:01 AM (km8m2)

721 I agree most women want an alpha male. I think there are very few instances in which an alpha male would need to say what you said in the way that you said it.

Real power doesn't often need to assert itself, it just is.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 03:52 AM (jbyD0)


True leadership does not reside in barking orders.

True leadership resides in having subordinates do what you, unbidden, what have them do, without a word being spoken.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 04:03 AM (ez9Rh)

722 I like driving long trips

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2018 04:03 AM (pHfeF)

723 Yes. In a management positiion, e.g., as head of a household, you entertain a number of proposed courses of action, from all quarters, ---- this I agree with.
without commentary, ---if there is respect I think the proposed courses can allow for some commentary.

In a situation where immediate action is necessary is where I can see your first comment as appropriate.

Having heard them all, you choose one,
-- again here I agree, as head of household you make the decision and it is a great responsibility.

ram it home. And remember who proposed ridiculous courses action, and subsequently act accordingly.

-- this is where I differ, it can be quietly and authoritatively be stated and accepted. If ridiculous courses of action were proposed then a respectful conversation can be a learning/teaching opportunity.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 04:05 AM (jbyD0)

724 True leadership does not reside in barking orders.

True leadership resides in having subordinates do what you, unbidden, what have them do, without a word being spoken.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 04:03 AM (ez9Rh)

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You refer to your family as subordinates?

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 19, 2018 04:05 AM (9KR27)

725 I think it boils down to this: We like you to play the man's role but we don't want you to beat us over the head with it.

I spent the twenty best years of my life married to an alpha male. He was a pilot. He was rated on so many aircraft his FAA license ran to two pages. I once asked him, "Could you fly a 747?" His response: "Hell, I could fly the box it came in."

He always consulted me before making any decisions. In the end, the decision was his and it was invariably the right one.

THAT is an alpha male.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 04:06 AM (cOHsM)

726 That's next on the agenda, Surfperch. Neighbor offered me a live trap yesterday. I'll pick it up today.

If I catch him it's going to be a struggle to get him in the back of the Durango and haul him off to far parts. He's HUGE!

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 03:56 AM (cOHsM)

If you bait the trap with some fat, oily sardines you're guaranteed to catch him. The smellier, the better.

Best of luck, creeper.

Posted by: Surfperch at July 19, 2018 04:07 AM (j6XEO)

727 719 Yah. That. An alpha male just is.
Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 03:58 AM (cOHsM)


To lead, you have to do what you think is right.

Fuck everybody else. Maybe they're right, but you don't think so. If you're alpha, your own take is dispositive. If wrong, you pay the price.

It's called "history," and 99% of it resides in furry little testicles.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 04:09 AM (ez9Rh)

728 The best definition I've heard for 'leadership' came from General 'Stormin' Norman Schwartzkopf:

"The ability to influence others to do willingly, that which they otherwise would not do at all."

Posted by: Lurking Cynic at July 19, 2018 04:12 AM (SZiNv)

729 "Best of luck..."

I'm gonna need it, Surfperch. Just ran him off for the third time. The feeder is now empty, though he hasn't tossed it on the ground.

Sardines. Check. Sounds right. Thanks.

Wait! I have some canned cat food these prima donas won't eat. I wonder if that would work.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 04:12 AM (cOHsM)

730 728 The best definition I've heard for 'leadership' came from General 'Stormin' Norman Schwartzkopf:

"The ability to influence others to do willingly, that which they otherwise would not do at all."
Posted by: Lurking Cynic at July 19, 2018 04:12 AM (SZiNv)

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I miss him...

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 19, 2018 04:13 AM (9KR27)

731 Me too, SMH. What a shame...Schwartzkopf did all the work and Colin Powell got all the credit.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 04:16 AM (cOHsM)

732 You refer to your family as subordinates?
Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 19, 2018 04:05 AM (9KR27)


No, of course not. I was speaking in the corporate/academic context.

But the principle remains: a leader sets the tone, the ethos, for the group as a whole, whether it be a family, a platoon, a company, a battalion, a division, an army, a Senate, whatever. At some point, someone, somewhere, makes the final decision on what's going to happen.

You understand this, right?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 04:19 AM (ez9Rh)

733 731 Me too, SMH. What a shame...Schwartzkopf did all the work and Colin Powell got all the credit.
Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 04:16 AM (cOHsM)

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That's usually the case.

Norm at least had something Powell could only dream of...

The undying loyalty and respect of his men in combat.

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 19, 2018 04:20 AM (9KR27)

734 Wait! I have some canned cat food these prima donas won't eat. I wonder if that would work.
Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 04:12 AM (cOHsM)

I vaguely remember hearing that cat food makes good raccoon bait. Can't remember where I heard it. Sounds like it's worth a shot, though.

Posted by: Surfperch at July 19, 2018 04:20 AM (j6XEO)

735 I understand quite well, DJ.

I also understand discernment as well as leadership.

Goodnight, everyone.

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 19, 2018 04:24 AM (9KR27)

736 'Night, SMH. Sweet dreams.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 04:27 AM (cOHsM)

737 The cat food should work

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2018 04:27 AM (pHfeF)

738 Goodnight Horde.

Posted by: Surfperch at July 19, 2018 04:30 AM (j6XEO)

739 -- this is where I differ, it can be quietly and authoritatively be stated and accepted. If ridiculous courses of action were proposed then a respectful conversation can be a learning/teaching opportunity.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 04:05 AM (jbyD0)


With all due respect, which unfortunately is not very much, this is pussy bullshit, and from your comment, I infer you must be female.

When lives are on the line, fuck conversations leading to a "learning/teaching opportunity." If you were screaming in pain in childbirth, would you be interested in a conversation can be a learning/teaching?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 04:31 AM (ez9Rh)

740 Hay, Skip. Didn't see you come in.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 04:31 AM (dpsFH)

741 Good night SMH

Appreciate the opportunity to exchange ides Jay.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 04:32 AM (jbyD0)

742 * ideas

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 04:33 AM (jbyD0)

743 Appreciate the opportunity to exchange ides Jay.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 04:32 AM (jbyD0)

Beware the Ides of Jay!

Posted by: Surfperch at July 19, 2018 04:36 AM (j6XEO)

744 'Night SMH.

I'm going to sleep for real this time.

Posted by: Surfperch at July 19, 2018 04:37 AM (j6XEO)

745 Good morning, Horde.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at July 19, 2018 04:37 AM (arhmY)

746 743 Appreciate the opportunity to exchange ides Jay.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 04:32 AM (jbyD0)

Beware the Ides of Jay!
Posted by: Surfperch at July 19, 2018 04:36 AM (j6XEO)


I'm an equal opportunity offenser. i offend everybody[/], and enjoy doing so, in the interests of what I, at least, consider reality.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 04:40 AM (ez9Rh)

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 19, 2018 04:41 AM (mpXpK)

748 Luckily haven't had critter problems lately, it's live and let live here as of late.

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2018 04:41 AM (pHfeF)

749 1) in the context, lives were not on the line.
2) while disagreeing with you, I have been respectful
3) perhaps you missed my earlier comment
"In a situation where immediate action is necessary is where I can see your first comment as appropriate."
4) in childbirth, events happen regardless of conversations
5) of course those conversations would need to take place at appropriate times.

I truly did appreciate being able to have a discussion of this ideas, but because of the tone of your comment at 739 , I don't think further conversation would be productive.

Good night everyone

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 19, 2018 04:46 AM (jbyD0)

750 Jay, science is science. You can either prove
your hypothesis, or not. So why do so many support this crap and try to
sell it to everyone else? The people who scream the science is settled
infuriate me to no end. Yet so many believe them.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 19, 2018 01:50 AM (gEvQ



Old Blue, I do not know. Truly. But no science is settled. None
whatsoever. Nothing could have been on a more sound footing than
Newtonian mechanics. Conservation of parity was Holy Writ - in the
pantheon with conservation of energy and momentum - until 1956. And
that's no shit experimental physics, about as hard a science as you're going to find.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 19, 2018 01:56 AM (ez9Rh)

There's gold in them there lies, guys! Do you know how much indulgences... errrr... carbon credits can earn a person?

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at July 19, 2018 04:49 AM (FTXAT)

751 well, about the stuff i poasted about just before 666

i sent out an e-mail noting that the meeting was recorded, without the attendees being notified, which, IIRC, is a violation of #Failifornia state law.

i stated that i expected the recording to be deleted, the public notified and apologized to, that i receive written assurances that it had been destroyed, and that i would take civil and or criminal legal action if it made its way into the public sphere.

the President e-mailed me back saying it would NOT be destroyed, and, for my temerity in insisting on my rights, i was removed from a tasking which required me to sit through a *lengthy* meeting once a month, then write a report that NO ONE ever acted upon.

talk about throwing me into the briar patch.

plus i might get to sue some assholes over it all.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 04:50 AM (YtJs4)

752 red, I love your spirit.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 04:55 AM (cOHsM)

753 The Peoples Republic of California ( PRC) appreciated your concern but the politburo knows what needs to be done and will take care of your needs.

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2018 04:57 AM (pHfeF)

754 Trying to see the humor I know was intended in that, Skip. They're almost there.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 05:02 AM (cOHsM)

755 Hello Kitty re-enactment of Alice in Wonderland is pretty accurate.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 19, 2018 05:06 AM (/qEW2)

756 i'm a Taurus, and Infantryman and a Cav Trooper...

pissing me off is, shall we say, unwise.


Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 05:06 AM (YtJs4)

757 Trying to see the humor I know was intended in that, Skip. They're almost there.


Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 05:02 AM (cOHsM)

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yeah, but they haven't disarmed us.... yet.

if we can get Kavanaugh (sp?) seated, the roll back of #2A illegalities can commence.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 19, 2018 05:08 AM (YtJs4)

758 Maybe old Soviets would appreciate that better.

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2018 05:11 AM (pHfeF)

759 It would be nice to see several dozen decisions reaffirming "shall not be abridged".

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 05:11 AM (cOHsM)

760 It was funny, Skip. Sorry for the wet blanket. I'm tired and grumpy from chasing raccoons all night.

Posted by: creeper at July 19, 2018 05:14 AM (cOHsM)

761 Good Morning!

I got my FOID card yesterday. I guess I get to peruse the catalogs and see what' what out there. I may even have to pay attention during the gun threads here.

Posted by: Bruce at July 19, 2018 05:15 AM (8ikIW)

762 Should head down the road
Everyone have a great day

Posted by: Skip at July 19, 2018 05:16 AM (pHfeF)

763 It was funny, Skip. Sorry for the wet blanket. I'm tired and grumpy from chasing raccoons all night.
Posted by: creeper

I'm always chasing rac-coons
Watching clouds drifting by...

Posted by: Bruce at July 19, 2018 05:16 AM (8ikIW)

Reminder: The Russians Targeted Republicans, GOP, and Trump Himself In Their Spearfishing and Hacking Schemes, Too

The media and the sillies don't like admitting this, and Mueller doesn't draw much attention to it himself in his indictment. But he does mention it on page 13.

Don't expect to see this on CNN.

Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election wasn't as one-sided as Special Counsel Robert Mueller charges in his latest indictment.

...

"RNC emails were stolen through the same spearphishing scams used against Democrats," a senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the investigation told RealClearInvestigations. "In fact, prominent Republicans were targeted and similarly victimized by the disclosure of sensitive emails during the campaign."

The indictment acknowledges this on page 13: "The Conspirators also released documents they had stolen in other spearphishing operations, including those they had conducted in 2015 that collected emails from individuals affiliated with the Republican Party."

But that is the only mention of Russian attacks against Republicans in the 29-page indictment that focuses on the targeting and victimization of key Democrats...

In fact, U.S. intelligence officials say the attackers penetrated GOP organizations at both the national and state levels, as well as the individual level, and successfully "exfiltrate" Republican emails during the 2016 election cycle. They add that Trump officials themselves were targeted by Russian intelligence late in 2016, often by phishing schemes, in which fraudulent emails seemingly from trusted sources (e.g. the government, banks or Google) are sent to gain access to personal information.

Mueller's office would not say whether the criminal breaches of GOP organizations carried out by the same bad Russian actors were investigated by his team with the same level of forensic analysis and scrutiny as the Democrat-related cybercrimes.

"We'll decline to comment beyond the indictment," Special Counsel's Office spokesman Peter Carr said.

Yeah, I'll bet you decline to comment.

Read the whole thing.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 08:08 PM




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1
Photo Of Smiling Chuck Schumer Eating Doughnuts With Vladimir Putin Breaks Internet

https://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=391270

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 08:10 PM (IqV8l)

2 Hey, I read this one too. What a day.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at July 18, 2018 08:12 PM (vgwv+)

3 Honestly, I don't know why this isn't brought up more.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at July 18, 2018 08:13 PM (vgwv+)

4 Why so interested in Russian intelligence ops
Against the Right, comerade? Does Comrade Mueller's investigation seem incomplete to you? May I see your papers, please?

Posted by: Uncle Elmer at July 18, 2018 08:14 PM (EbXU3)

5 I think over a year ago it was released that Repubs were targeted the same time Dems were. Whether was RUSSIANS is largely speculative as the Repubs cooperated with law enforcement to interdict the attempts to gain access while the Dems refused access.

If they are sure it was RUSSIANS it is because access to Repub servers allowed law enforcement to track the attempts and are assuming the Dems had the same attackers.

Nevermind hackers toolkits include seeds to wave RUSSIAN flags as a smokescreen.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 18, 2018 08:15 PM (1g7ch)

6 Top 100 !

Posted by: JT at July 18, 2018 08:15 PM (HbLZX)

7 But hacking of the Republicans is fine because they are all traitors and Nazis, so they deserved it.

Posted by: Twitter at July 18, 2018 08:16 PM (3Pm7a)

8 I for one am writing a very strongly worded letter to my Congressperson about this nonsense. This foolishness needs to stop right now!

Posted by: It is finished at July 18, 2018 08:17 PM (EbXU3)

9 Nevermind hackers toolkits include seeds to wave RUSSIAN flags as a smokescreen.

...
Exactly Cyrillic coded characters in the malware code and .ru domain servers used as proxies.

Proves nothing. Pure speculation.

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 08:18 PM (XRHct)

10 Nevermind hackers toolkits include seeds to wave RUSSIAN flags as a smokescreen

I download all my dirtiest porn using Russian IP addresses. And don't ask me what I use the Mexican IPs for.

Posted by: wooga at July 18, 2018 08:18 PM (3Pm7a)

11 So with the Rooshians and the alphabet agencies flooding everyone's servers, how did anybody have bandwidth left over for playing video games and fantasy football?

Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 08:18 PM (2xR5z)

12 lulz

and some people still think I'm on their side.

Posted by: J. Sessions - Deep State Forever at July 18, 2018 08:19 PM (r9UYA)

13 I think I heard when the news first broke that the RNC had better network security. Am I misremembering that?

Posted by: pookysgirl at July 18, 2018 08:19 PM (XKZwp)

14 Photo Of Smiling Chuck Schumer Eating Doughnuts With Vladimir Putin Breaks Internet

https://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=391270
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 08:10 PM (IqV8l)


Yes, but that was in 2003, back when Democrats still loved Russians. Now after the Democrats couldn't pull Hillary Clinton's alcoholic, decrepit a$$ over the finish line in 2016, they need a scapegoat and Russia!!!!RUSSIA!!!!RUSSIA!!!!!reeeeee!!! is the evilist of countries.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 18, 2018 08:20 PM (5Yee7)

15 >>>"We'll decline to comment beyond the indictment,"

isn't that special

Posted by: concrete girl at July 18, 2018 08:20 PM (BVthB)

16 "We'll decline to comment beyond the indictment,"
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Paul Manafort hacked the Republicans too?

Good thing Robert Muleface is on the job.

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 08:20 PM (XRHct)

17 Ugh. Tucker had on that asshole Phillipe Reines on his show tonight. He's the idiot who kept the trumps up all night blowing air horns in front of the White House.

Posted by: Jaimo at July 18, 2018 08:20 PM (EVJ0V)

18 Those leftists are indefatigable. Agitate! Agitate! Agitate!

It's a good thing Trump has boundless energy.

The only reason they are interested in Russian hacking is because they are trying to wear down Trump and his supporters.

They will never let up.

Posted by: Emmie at July 18, 2018 08:20 PM (4HMW8)

19 Gotta stop the Russians from stealing our catchers' signals.

Posted by: The National League at July 18, 2018 08:20 PM (3C9q2)

20
Da, ve get Republicans too. But first ve get moose and squirrel

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 08:21 PM (SiINZ)

21 "We'll decline to comment beyond the indictment," Special Counsel's Office spokesman Peter Carr said.

Whatever. Black Letter Law, Stare Decisis, and all that Jazz.

The Rules are the Rules.

*spit*

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 08:21 PM (fiGNd)

22 from the link:
(The allegedRussian spoof instructed him to change his password by
clicking the embedded link, thereby opening the door tohisaccount.)
as I recall reading, Podesta forwarded the email to his IT guy, who claimed he meant to tell P that "this is an illegitimate email" but accidentally replied "this is a legitimate email"
who the fkcu speaks like that? I would have replied "it's a scam, delete it" and I suspect any normal person would have done the same.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 08:21 PM (KxbBq)

23 Swallowscockwell (D) is felching and gagging on FOX.

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 08:21 PM (XRHct)

24
Tucker had on that asshole Phillipe Reines on his show tonight.

Now he has Swallowell on. Jeeez, he's an ass.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 08:22 PM (IqV8l)

25 We cannot allow the Russian hacking of our precious bodily fluids!

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at July 18, 2018 08:22 PM (pwT9v)

26 The Democrats loved Hitler until Moscow told them not to.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:22 PM (3HNOQ)

27 I am still shocked, shocked I say that someone who dabbled in 'spirit cooking' would fall for spear phishing and give away easy access to all computers/servers he had an account on. /s

Posted by: PaleRider at July 18, 2018 08:22 PM (eASYU)

28 I love Louie Gohmert. Did you hear him grilling the google chick?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 08:22 PM (8T7EF)

29 It's all kabuki theater on the Titanic. Wake me when the poop deck slips beneath the waves

Posted by: Do I amuse U? at July 18, 2018 08:22 PM (EbXU3)

30 Tucker-Talking points from Swalwell is now Treason, Treason, Treason.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 18, 2018 08:23 PM (PvFoN)

31 We all know the real reasons they have such a grudge against Russia:

1) Putin (along with many others) stopped bribing the Clintons after Granny Cacklepants lost. Paying off the Clintons is sort of like paying off the mob -- you're not allowed to stop.

2) George Soros is still butthurt at America and Russia because his team lost WWII.

O/T: Joe Lieberman urges people to vote for Crowley in general election. Comrade CrazyEyes hardest hit.

https://tinyurl.com/lieberman-slams-commie

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 08:23 PM (GXOTw)

32 Swallow-well is back on TuCa.

He's not entertaining and amusing anymore.

He's just dumb.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 18, 2018 08:23 PM (EZebt)

33 Howdy, PaleRider!

Yeah, people who engage in spirit cooking are telling their followers that we are the creepy ones.

Posted by: Emmie at July 18, 2018 08:24 PM (4HMW8)

34 Swalweel is right and he should present himself to the nearest jail.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 08:24 PM (8T7EF)

35 I hear that the Russians interfered in a match to let Ivan Koloff win the WCW championship in 1978.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 08:24 PM (KxbBq)

36 Wish Tucker would throw the big picture of Cuck Schemer and his Russian treason doughnut.

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 08:25 PM (XRHct)

37 I wanna slap that smarmy smirk on swalwell's face

Posted by: Jaimo at July 18, 2018 08:25 PM (EVJ0V)

38 don't forget about that pic of Schumer grinning as he tries firing an actual automatic weapon.
or Barky with the shotgun.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 08:27 PM (KxbBq)

39 Spirit cooking sounds incredibly creepy. What does it mean?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 08:28 PM (PUmDY)

40 Joe Leiberman is the only dem I could ever stand.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 08:28 PM (+lOpA)

41 why on earth does Tucker keep giving air to Radical Propagandists like Swallowsall?

The guy has no interest whatsoever in dialogue. Its all Inflammatory Propaganda, all of the time.

Posted by: Some Dope at July 18, 2018 08:28 PM (6OUNd)

42 According to Rush Comrade Cortez has been attacking Crowley and Joe told her "no no no, I'm not going to run against you in the general." Of course that doesn't mean Joe will take action to have his name removed as a candidate from the family values or whatever party or that he will ask any outsiders to cease and desist if they try to convince folks to vote for good old Joe.

Posted by: PaleRider at July 18, 2018 08:28 PM (eASYU)

43 Well, golly, if we comment on that, you might hold us to a higher standard or something.

Sorta like that Strzok dude.

It wouldn't be much fun. So, no comment.

None.

Whatsoever.

And if you claim there's more, we'll classify it.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 18, 2018 08:28 PM (7UW64)

44 The real scandal is over on "Jeopardy!" Sometimes when a contestant gets the question wrong, Alex says the correct answer and the other contestants do not get a chance to win. Other times the other contestants DO get a chance to question the answer.

Huh?

I demand an investigation.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:28 PM (3HNOQ)

45 I am sticking with my belief that Putin told PDT a whole lot about the IC.

Why, because we can hurt Russia with Nat gas and oil.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 08:28 PM (8T7EF)

46 re 39: like penne ala vodka

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 08:28 PM (KxbBq)

47 38 don't forget about that pic of Schumer grinning as he tries firing an actual automatic weapon.
or Barky with the shotgun.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 08:27 PM (KxbBq)

Considering how Barky handled an umbrella, I wouldn't let him anywhere near a firearm. Not even a bb gun.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 18, 2018 08:29 PM (7UW64)

48 The moustache is against the wall.


The cats love tits.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 08:29 PM (+lOpA)

49 The government, banks and Google are trusted sources?

In what universe?

Posted by: Pogoka at July 18, 2018 08:29 PM (w/bVh)

50 When I listen to Swallowsall, the message is loud and clear. War is coming. Lock and load.

Why does Tucker think it helps to broadcast that shit? You can't have rational dialogue with the insane.

Posted by: Some Dope at July 18, 2018 08:30 PM (6OUNd)

51 I like drinking spirits. But I never cook them. I wouldn't want to boil off the alcohol.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:30 PM (3HNOQ)

52 I'd like to know the total number of spooks on the governemnet payroll. It seems like everybody is spook these days.

Posted by: 1st world problems yoga studio at July 18, 2018 08:31 PM (FwSdb)

53 Peter Carr is an angaram of Dick Car.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 08:31 PM (+lOpA)

54 I seem to remember reading somewhere that the NSA has the ability to hack into a computer system and make it look like someone else did it.

It's probably nothing.

Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 08:31 PM (sdi6R)

55 This proves the Russians worked very closely with the Republicans. Surely, they must have known!

Posted by: CNN at July 18, 2018 08:31 PM (+cu3S)

56 Swallowell is inciting violence.

And our taxpayer dollars provide security, paycheck, pension and healthcare for him.

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 08:31 PM (XRHct)

57 https://twitter.com/hashtag/HillaryLovesRussia?src=hash




Posted by: redridinghood at July 18, 2018 08:31 PM (PvFoN)

58 The spook payroll is in the hidden budget.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:32 PM (3HNOQ)

59 > Of course that doesn't mean Joe will take action to have his name removed as a candidate from the family values or whatever party or that he will ask any outsiders to cease and desist if they try to convince folks to vote for good old Joe.

And, of course, things change.

Once CrazyEyes Cortez has a few more major meltdowns on national TV (and you just know we haven't even begun to see the end of those) , Crowley will "reluctantly" agree to run "for the good of the country" or some shit.

Sorry, Occasional-Cortex. Hope you enjoyed your brief moment in the spotlight. Maybe you and David Hogg can score a talk show on MSNBC or something.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 08:32 PM (GXOTw)

60 Listen, don't mention Seth Rich! I mentioned him once, but I think I got away with it.

So, Senators, our intelligence assessment is that it was twelve Russian intelligence officers, twenty-three Russian troll farmers, Ricky Ricardo Pinedo and Seth Rich who-

Oops, damn it! Strike that.

What I meant to say is that all seventeen of our intelligence agencies, except for fourteen of them and one who does but really doesn't, agree that the Russian GRU military intelligence cyberwar unit using the most advanced hacking tools on earth and Seth Rich hacked their way into-

Dang it! Let me restate that another way...

Posted by: John "Fawlty" Brennan at July 18, 2018 08:32 PM (DuAZ5)

61 Russia has shown no interest in reincorporating all of those other 'stans. Why because they have no commercial value.

Putin is paying average Russians to have kids.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 08:32 PM (8T7EF)

62 39: My recollection from this here blog is that spirit cooking amounted to a bunch of jr. high level "oh we are so flaunting evilness by eating/drinking (mentrual?) blood and other forbidden stuff and look look we are not getting smitten down by g-d" crapola.

Exactly the kind of scientific thinking one would expect from Dems IOW.

Posted by: PaleRider at July 18, 2018 08:32 PM (eASYU)

63 That's something that riles me about Tucker. Hannity used to do this, put on the biggest stooge he could find so they could have a shout fest. But Hannity has actually gotten more watchable lately, and Tucker has started running the idiot of the night club.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 08:32 PM (V2Yro)

64 ... in which fraudulent emails seemingly from trusted sources (e.g. the
government, banks or Google) are sent to gain access to personal
information.

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LOL. Um no ...

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 08:33 PM (BiLU+)

65 Tucker puts a good adult spin on the news.

Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 08:33 PM (Z48ZB)

66 The moustache is against the wall.


The cats love tits.


Sample messages sent to the French Resistance just before D-Day (I keed, I keed).

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 08:34 PM (3C9q2)

67 The Russians Targeted Republicans, GOP, and Trump Himself In Their Spearfishing and Hacking Schemes, Too




MFM: Like we're ever going to mention that

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 08:35 PM (SiINZ)

68

I like Montenegro Meltdown almost as much as Foggy Mountain Breakdown.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 08:35 PM (IqV8l)

69 > Russia has shown no interest in reincorporating all of those other 'stans.

The only reason they grabbed them in the first place was that they were trying to develop a route to contest Britain's control of the Indies.

It was called the "Great Game" and it played out throughout most of the 19th Century.

That's how we wound up getting Alaska. Russia couldn't defend it against the encroaching Brits in Canada, and decided they'd be better off selling it to us than losing it outright.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 08:35 PM (GXOTw)

70 Tucker reminds the older folks watching Fox that these fuckers are deranged and to stockpile more ammo.

Posted by: Yoda at July 18, 2018 08:35 PM (89T5c)

71 I have been waiting a few days to see what's up with Lisa Page's testimony that contraindicated that demon possessed guy, what's-his-face. Or, maybe it should be what-is-his-face. Anyway, from what we get from conservative sources (real not cuckservative), she said something to the effect that shows one or both of them are lying. Why hasn't anyone used this to take Strzok down? Anybody? Bueller? Mueller?

Seriously, Trump hasn't even tweeted about this. We know Snoozy McSnoozerton has recused himself because he is warming up for his eventual dirt nap , but I have only seen a couple of items concerning this bombshell. Have we just been lied to again?

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 18, 2018 08:35 PM (9BLnV)

72 Pixy sure hates my phone

Posted by: Naturalfake at July 18, 2018 08:35 PM (gTkzj)

73 Considering how Barky handled an umbrella, I wouldn't let him anywhere near a firearm. Not even a bb gun.
Posted by: tcn in AK at July 18, 2018 08:29 PM (7UW64)

-----------------

There was a pic of Barky, obviously photoshopped, firing a shotty with the buttstock pressed firmly against his collar bone. I never saw him in a sling, so the pic had to be fake.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 08:36 PM (yJ9Jf)

74 Off green alien sock

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 18, 2018 08:36 PM (89T5c)

75 ... in which fraudulent emails seemingly from trusted sources (e.g. the government, banks or Google) are sent to gain access to personal information.

C'mon, the Democrats HAD to respond to those emails from Nigerians, or they'd have been racist!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 08:36 PM (ez9Rh)

76 72 Pixy sure hates my phone
Posted by: Naturalfake at July 18, 2018 08:35 PM (gTkzj)



Don't take it personally. Pixy hates everyone equally.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 08:37 PM (+lOpA)

77 The more I learn about what's been going on in DC, the more I think Trump is some kind of miracle

Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 08:37 PM (Z48ZB)

78 So what is Mueller going to do as a follow-on to the press-release-posing-as-charging-document (this case), and the earlier one that blew up in his face (the "bot" case, where one of the defendants showed a sense of humor and hired a US law firm to represent them in court, with some hilarity ensuing to date).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 08:37 PM (QDnY+)

79 in which fraudulent emails seemingly from trusted sources (e.g. the government, banks or Google)




I missed the earlier thread about the EU and Googlag and have no love for the EU but I applaud any damage they can do to Googlag. Left on left fighting is always a good thing

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 08:39 PM (SiINZ)

80 So the Russians had 8 years of ascendency during the Obama reign. The botched "Reset" complete with the cheezy plastic button was orchestrated by none other than Hillary herself. By all accounts, Hillary was certain to win the election, and with her leading the U.S., Russia was guaranteed to continue its upward trajectory. Trump was an unknown factor, but he did campaign on a strong America, promising to undo the weakening under Obama/Clinton.

So, if Russia wanted to sway the election one way or the other (and not just create instability as some propose), which way would they want it to go? Who did they want to win?

And, if some of Russia's machinations hurt Clinton, was it to make her lose the election, which just about everyone agreed was nigh impossible, or to ensure that once she took office, she would hit the ground hobbled by scandal and thus less effective against Russia?

Posted by: Average Guy at July 18, 2018 08:39 PM (LMcFk)

81 77 The more I learn about what's been going on in DC, the more I think Trump is some kind of miracle
Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 08:37 PM (Z48ZB)


Yeah, that's for sure. And the mounting level of hysteria coming from the Deep State suggests that we don't know the half of it.

Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 08:39 PM (sdi6R)

82 The Russians Targeted Republicans, GOP, and Trump Himself In Their Spearfishing and Hacking Schemes, Too
....

"The Russians". So monolithic and ridiculous.

Always laugh when I read this.

So like, all of them?


If American organized criminal hackers were to steal political information from Brazil's political parties servers - would we say that THE AMERICANS hacked Brazil?
It's all silly and unserious.

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 08:39 PM (XRHct)

83 (6 Dueling Bazukis.

Posted by: ro-man at July 18, 2018 08:39 PM (RuIsu)

84 Once CrazyEyes Cortez has a few more major meltdowns on national TV (and you just know we haven't even begun to see the end of those) , Crowley will "reluctantly" agree to run "for the good of the country" or some shit.

Sorry, Occasional-Cortex. Hope you enjoyed your brief moment in the spotlight. Maybe you and David Hogg can score a talk show on MSNBC or something.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 08:32 PM (GXOTw)


Crowley doesn't have to run. He's already on the ballot, and Loopy Lupe is discrediting herself by the day. She only won the primary because Crowley and his supporters phoned it in, thinking the primary was a formality that was in the bag.

Again, for the record: I'm gonna laugh my ass if Loopy Lupe loses the election to Crowley. "New face of the Democrat Party," indeed.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 08:39 PM (ez9Rh)

85 77
The more I learn about what's been going on in DC, the more I think Trump is some kind of miracle

Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 08:37 PM (Z48ZB)


=====

I'm an a-theist who gets down on my knees every day and thanks God for Donald Trump.

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 08:40 PM (BiLU+)

86 What people don't understand is this whole Motenegro thig was started by Tucker asking a question of Trump, it wasn't started by Trump questioning NATO.

But he gave a good response and now they are running round w/ hair on fire. LOL

Posted by: Farmer at July 18, 2018 08:40 PM (yJ1e6)

87 Russian cyberhackers also took down a large part of the Ukrainian power grid. If there were any Republicans involved, that would tie together two threads nicely.

Posted by: Miklos Molnar at July 18, 2018 08:40 PM (zCyNd)

88 LASue, obviously G-D ain't done with us yet. He keeps sending Churchill's, Reagans, Thatchers, JPII's and PDT.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 08:41 PM (8T7EF)

89 If American organized criminal hackers were to steal political information from Brazil's political parties servers - would we say that THE AMERICANS hacked Brazil?
It's all silly and unserious.
Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 08:39 PM (XRHct)



FIFY.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 08:41 PM (+lOpA)

90 Anon. White Male, patience. This just happened. You've apparently seen Cong. Ratcliffe's little leak (I think Gohmert, too) about how Page confirmed obvious meaning/intent of most infamous texts, etc.


I do wonder what timeline and mileposts the House investigators (all committees), and Grassley and Johnson in the Senate, have in mind with all this stuff. Obviously would be best, from all perspectives, to come to some conclusions, publicly, by November.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 08:41 PM (QDnY+)

91 78 So what is Mueller going to do as a follow-on to the press-release-posing-as-charging-document (this case), and the earlier one that blew up in his face (the "bot" case, where one of the defendants showed a sense of humor and hired a US law firm to represent them in court, with some hilarity ensuing to date).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 08:37 PM (QDnY+)

=====

Indict Putin!

;-)

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 08:41 PM (BiLU+)

92 Ace es en fuego.

You should be paid by the word today.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 08:41 PM (yQpMk)

93 I like Tucker, but I worry the bow tie will turn in a second.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 08:41 PM (PUmDY)

94 ShainS, I was just going to add that I don't even go to church.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 08:42 PM (8T7EF)

95 A great line from my movie, and applicable on so many occasions: "In this wilderness you will find only Allah's terrible whimsy."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 08:42 PM (gUCYC)

96 I'm an a-theist who gets down on my knees every day and thanks God for Donald Trump.
Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 08:40 PM (BiLU+)



I'm an agnostic and I've had to question my questioning.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 08:42 PM (+lOpA)

97 hello! who are we at war with today? i spent most of the day at the Reagen library - Cali screws up everything but that library is a gem.

Posted by: IC at July 18, 2018 08:43 PM (PEJUg)

98 I'm an a-theist who gets down on my knees every day and thanks God for Donald Trump.
Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 08:40 PM (BiLU+)


As a friend used to joke, "Thank God I'm an atheist."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 08:43 PM (ez9Rh)

99 Why are do so many politicians have an orange hue?

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at July 18, 2018 08:43 PM (rdl6o)

100 I like Tucker, but I worry the bow tie will turn in a second.

----
I don't trust any of them . But Tucker puts stuff on tv that we can get NOWHERE else.
Freaking Virgin Island governor reportedly signed an order to seize weapons.

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 08:44 PM (XRHct)

101 C'mon, people! Isn't it obvious?

These stories about the Russians hacking the Republicans are simply planted by Russian bots
Which distract from the stories that characterize Mueller's investigation as a witch-hunt, stories which ALSO are planted by Russian bots.
Russian bots are also responsible for the following #FakeNews stories:
Hillary had an illegal home-brew server
Hillary sold out the USA to the Russians via the Uranium One deal
Hillary lost the 2016 election (Trump is an illusion entirely invented by Russian bots. He's not even a real person!)
In fact at this point, pretty much the entire internet is being generated exclusively by Russian bots.
We're through the looking glass here, people. It's Russian bots all the way down!

Posted by: Ersatz at July 18, 2018 08:44 PM (44PTs)

102 Tucker Carlson: Russian bot
Tucker Carlson's bowtie: Russian bot

Posted by: Ersatz at July 18, 2018 08:45 PM (44PTs)

103 Officials close to the investigation say thatis
becauseMueller'soffice has foundno solid evidence to support the
notion that Moscow meddled in the election to aid Trump. Theynote that
as in past U.S. elections where Russia ran influence operations - dating
back to the 1990s - its aim primarily has been to sow discord and
createchaos in the American political system, and not necessarily to
favor one candidate over another.


Damn treasonous facts...

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 08:46 PM (XRHct)

104 Silly season just got sillier. Who order a big pile of crazy for the comments section?

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at July 18, 2018 08:47 PM (rdl6o)

105 Meanwhile in Lafayette Park, the garbage screaming adult babies are throwing a tantrum in front of the White House. Quite a lot of them. No trouble with them so far. Just yelling and cheering. I'm far enough away that it's not too annoying.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 18, 2018 08:47 PM (4QBjn)

106 Russian bots are people, too.

Posted by: Miklos, channeling Vladimir Posner at July 18, 2018 08:47 PM (zCyNd)

107 who the fkcu speaks like that? I would have replied "it's a scam, delete it" and I suspect any normal person would have done the same.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 08:21 PM (KxbBq)

Who speaks like that? Someone from Pakistan. Maybe even with a name like Imran Awan.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at July 18, 2018 08:48 PM (l7Kbv)

108 If I had to choose from Bush, Clinton, carter, Obama, Reagan and Trump to protect me and my family and neighbors from Putin, Kim jong Un, Assad, and Xi Jinping....It would be a tossup between Trump and Reagan.

The rest are left in the dust.

Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 08:48 PM (Z48ZB)

109 97 hello! who are we at war with today?
Posted by: IC at July 18, 2018 08:43 PM (PEJUg)


We have always been at war with Montenegro.

Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 08:48 PM (sdi6R)

110 Joe Crowley remains on the Working Families Party.

From the wiki "The Working Families Party of New York was first organized in 1998 by a coalition of labor unions, community organizations, members of the now-inactive national New Party, and a variety of advocacy groups such as Citizen Action of New York and the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now."

So Joe is the real communist in the race. He's going to win going away without even campaigning.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 08:48 PM (yQpMk)

111 88 LASue, obviously G-D ain't done with us yet. He keeps sending Churchill's, Reagans, Thatchers, JPII's and PDT.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 08:41 PM (8T7EF)

========

I just started listening to an audiobook entitled "A Pope and a President: John Paul II, Ronald Reagan, and the Extraordinary Untold Story of the 20th Century" by Paul Kengor.

He kicks it off with a bang claiming that sources who have seen the document told him:
. William Casey performed a CIA investigation of the assassination attempt on The Pope; and
. It was traced back to the GRU/Kremlin, who orchestrated it through their puppets in Bulgaria, who in turned used Turkish patsies (whom they planned to kill after the assassination) -- as they considered Pope JPII their enemy and greatest threat to communism.

He says it's the most secret document from The Cold War and he implores those in power to release it.

If true, and he's aware of it, could this could be something that PDT could hold over Putin's head?

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 08:49 PM (BiLU+)

112 Russia gets pretty much what they want from the 'stans, and operate with impunity there, generally. So not much need for muscle.


Besides, Russia's only aggressive moves have been exactly where one would expect them, based on common sense and hundreds of years of history - the Black Sea region. Georgia is somewhat a special case of obsession, not a very practical one, unlike Crimea. Abkhazia and South Ossetia don't give Moscow a border with Turkey, and only replicate Black Sea port access they already have.


Ukraine was last thread, but a few did note that the parts of Ukraine nibbled off in fact have had ethnic Russian populations forever, and are a natural, as opposed to convenient or ridiculous, pretext for shenanigans. I'm just mildly surprised that western Ukraine - itself lopped off of Poland as part of the Magical Moving Borders resulting from the German defeat, hasn't seen more trouble (i.e. against Kiev).


It was one of the few (possibly ONLY non-Baltic, and non-southern republic) scenes of actual anti-Soviet activity in the good old days. Don't think Kiev is all that much more welcome than Moscow as a ruler.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 08:49 PM (QDnY+)

113 102 Tucker Carlson: Russian bot
Tucker Carlson's bowtie: Russian bot
Posted by: Ersatz at July 18, 2018 08:45 PM (44PTs)


Russian bot 2020!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 08:50 PM (ez9Rh)

114 I have filed felony charges against Swalwell with the FBI. Do I expect the DOJ to prosecute? No, even though he clearly violated the law. However I am not out of legal ammo yet.

Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 08:50 PM (pCa05)

115 So with the Rooshians and the alphabet agencies flooding everyone's
servers, how did anybody have bandwidth left over for playing video
games and fantasy football?
-----
At any one time 30% are out in the hallways taking a dump.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 18, 2018 08:50 PM (Evws/)

116 Papadopoulos' wife on Tucker.


Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 08:52 PM (XRHct)

117
The more I learn about what's been going on in DC, the more I think Trump is some kind of miracle
Posted by: LASue


I think his main accomplishment has been to show how pompous and fraudulent his predecessors have been.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 08:52 PM (IqV8l)

118 oh wow she's hot! you know who I'm talkin' bout! George you dog!

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 08:52 PM (V2Yro)

119 Byron York seems like someone I wouldn't mind punching in the face.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 08:52 PM (PUmDY)

120 Simone be like HAWT!

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at July 18, 2018 08:52 PM (rdl6o)

121 It was one of the few (possibly ONLY non-Baltic, and non-southern republic) scenes of actual anti-Soviet activity in the good old days. Don't think Kiev is all that much more welcome than Moscow as a ruler.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 08:49 PM (QDnY+)

Well. There are still a few hundred thousand ethnic/linguistic Hungarians in westernmost Ukraine. They would much rather answer to Kiev than Moscow.

Posted by: Miklos, looking at an old Hapsburg map at July 18, 2018 08:52 PM (zCyNd)

122 It was one of the few (possibly ONLY non-Baltic, and non-southern republic) scenes of actual anti-Soviet activity in the good old days.

Where, correct me if I'm wrong, we sent White Russian/ Ukrainian agents to be picked up by the NKVD/ MGB/ KGB and executed, thanks to the thorough-going penetration of our intelligence community. Because McCarthy was totally off base.

Thanks, Democrats!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 08:52 PM (ez9Rh)

123 Simona!

Posted by: Concerned People's Front at July 18, 2018 08:53 PM (rdl6o)

124 > So Joe is the real communist in the race.

Well, sort of. Cortez the Killer didn't bother getting the Communist Party endorsement. I'm not sure they even knew that Cortez was running, frankly. They reflexively endorsed Crowley, and now, by a combination of their own rules and election laws, they can't get him off the ballot.

Cortez is in for a Ned Lamont-level stomping, I think.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 08:53 PM (GXOTw)

125 Do Russian bots love there children too?

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 18, 2018 08:53 PM (4QBjn)

126
Wow. She's smokin...

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 08:53 PM (XRHct)

127
I'm an a-theist who gets down on my knees every day and thanks God for Donald Trump.
Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 08:40 PM (BiLU+)


Wow I hope Trump knows these things I guess he must - otherwise how he would find the strength to persevere ?

Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 08:53 PM (Z48ZB)

128 115 So with the Rooshians and the alphabet agencies flooding everyone's
servers, how did anybody have bandwidth left over for playing video
games and fantasy football?
-----
At any one time 30% are out in the hallways taking a dump.
Posted by: andycanuck at July 18, 2018 08:50 PM (Evws/)

Russian bots are super-powerful. They generate more Internet bandwidth than they consume!

Posted by: Ersatz at July 18, 2018 08:53 PM (44PTs)

129 I think his main accomplishment has been to show how pompous and fraudulent his predecessors have been.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 08:52 PM (IqV8l)


It's like popping a zit.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 08:53 PM (ez9Rh)

130 t was one of the few (possibly ONLY non-Baltic, and non-southern republic) scenes of actual anti-Soviet activity in the good old days. Don't think Kiev is all that much more welcome than Moscow as a ruler.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 08:49 PM (QDnY+)

Well. There are still a few hundred thousand ethnic/linguistic Hungarians in westernmost Ukraine. They would much rather answer to Kiev than Moscow.
Posted by: Miklos, looking at an old Hapsburg map at July 18, 2018 08:52 PM (zCyNd)

Not Budapest ?

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 08:53 PM (bUjCl)

131 103 Officials close to the investigation say thatis
becauseMueller'soffice has foundno solid evidence to support the
notion that Moscow meddled in the election to aid Trump. Theynote that
as in past U.S. elections where Russia ran influence operations - dating
back to the 1990s - its aim primarily has been to sow discord and
createchaos in the American political system, and not necessarily to
favor one candidate over another.

Damn treasonous facts...
Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 08:46 PM (XRHct)

As always the Dems are more than willing to be russia's useful idiots and comply.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 18, 2018 08:53 PM (1g7ch)

132 They deserve Crowley. Or the Donkey Show chick. Fucking retards.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 18, 2018 08:54 PM (89T5c)

133 Tucker is hiding his boner well.
Commercial break. Convenient!

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 08:54 PM (XRHct)

134 I am still trying to figure out how Feinstein could win the Cali primary and still lose the party endorsement.

Can someone enlighten me?

Or is it that she will be on the ballot in Nov. but the other guy will be running as an "independent Socialist Democrat?"

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:54 PM (3HNOQ)

135 An Observation, have you had any positive response yet from all of the hard work you have been doing?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 08:54 PM (8T7EF)

136 Well, sort of. Cortez the Killer didn't bother getting the Communist Party endorsement. I'm not sure they even knew that Cortez was running, frankly. They reflexively endorsed Crowley, and now, by a combination of their own rules and election laws, they can't get him off the ballot.

Cortez is in for a Ned Lamont-level stomping, I think.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 08:53 PM (GXOTw)


I think so too.

You've got to laugh.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 08:54 PM (ez9Rh)

137 Let's talk about Podesta's brother's involvement with Russia.... Mueller... fraud.

How about Hillary committing treason by selling access to a foreign government (Russia)for personal gain.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 18, 2018 08:54 PM (PvFoN)

138 Freaking Virgin Island governor reportedly signed an order to seize weapons.
That, assuming the officers are armed, is a 10 year felony count for each weapon seized. (18 U.S. Code 242) If anyone dies as a result of that order there is a federal death penalty involved. I'll be writing up charges.

Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 08:55 PM (pCa05)

139 Not Budapest ?

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 08:53 PM (bUjCl)

No, they are resident and citizens of Ukraine-Uzhgorod, etc.

Posted by: Miklos, looking at an old Hapsburg map at July 18, 2018 08:55 PM (zCyNd)

140 Peter Carr is an anagram of Crap Eterr.

Posted by: Surfperch at July 18, 2018 08:56 PM (j6XEO)

141 So the real news in all of this is that the savviest, smartest, most super smart people on the planet - our DC betters - use "password" and "1234" as their, you know - passwords.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at July 18, 2018 08:56 PM (7LY+6)

142 Miklos, wasn't aware there were Hungarian irredenta there, too. I'm talking about parts of Poland gobbled up by Ukraine (USSR) after the war.


And Jay, I don't know anything about agents to that area, but as noted it was Poland til 1945, so probably not, if part of an anti-Soviet thing.


I was in that area briefly in the late 70s, we were sort of surprised that was one of our visits, it was the only part of the Euro USSR where there'd been actual trouble recently.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 08:56 PM (QDnY+)

143 Testes. One, two... Three? Testes.

Posted by: cornbred at July 18, 2018 08:56 PM (+DYLZ)

144 134 I am still trying to figure out how Feinstein could win the Cali primary and still lose the party endorsement.

Can someone enlighten me?

Or is it that she will be on the ballot in Nov. but the other guy will be running as an "independent Socialist Democrat?"
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:54 PM (3HNOQ)


Easy. California in its infinite stupidity wisdom has a jungle primary, with the top two vote getters going on to the general election.

So the election is now Kevin de Wetback v. Dianne "Let my husband get his schnoz in the trough" Feinstein.

Why the phrase "jungle primary" isn't racist, I do not know.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 08:56 PM (ez9Rh)

145 Cortez is in for a Ned Lamont-level stomping, I think.


....

Hopefully she has already maxed out the DNC Platinum card.

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 08:56 PM (XRHct)

146 A great line from my movie, and applicable on so many occasions: "In this wilderness you will find only Allah's terrible whimsy."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes



That is a great line. What are you watching?

The next episode of Yellowstone is on in an hour. I can't tell if I like it yet.

It's a modern day western, with cowboys and indians, inscrupulous politicians, water rights, land claims, murder, horses, and Kevin Costner. That's a really good recipe but I can't tell if it makes a lick of sense.

Anyone else watching that?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 08:57 PM (fuK7c)

147 How many Budas does it take to milk the goat?
Two! One to hold the teats and the other to pull the goat up and down!

Posted by: Pest at July 18, 2018 08:58 PM (Evws/)

148
This is very troubling news. The Russians are hacking everyone now?

I don't think the internet is very safe anymore.

Posted by: Pan Tuber at July 18, 2018 08:58 PM (roQNm)

149 Easy. California in its infinite stupidity wisdom has a jungle primary, with the top two vote getters going on to the general election.

So the election is now Kevin de Wetback v. Dianne "Let my husband get his schnoz in the trough" Feinstein.

Why the phrase "jungle primary" isn't racist, I do not know.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 08:56 PM (ez9Rh)

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Is it true that the DNC has officially pulled their support from Feinstein?

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 08:59 PM (yJ9Jf)

150 Russian bots are super-powerful. They generate more Internet bandwidth than they consume!

Posted by: Ersatz

Are they powered by cold fusion? Or flux capacitors?

Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 09:00 PM (2xR5z)

151 Did the thread die?

Posted by: Surfperch at July 18, 2018 09:00 PM (j6XEO)

152 And Jay, I don't know anything about agents to that area, but as noted it was Poland til 1945, so probably not, if part of an anti-Soviet thing.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 08:56 PM (QDnY+)


I'd read that we'd groomed White Russians and Ukrainians as agents to be sent back to the late, unlamented USSR (who else could pass?), and that they'd all been betrayed by moles/Democrats in the intelligence community/State Department.

Which is pretty easy to believe, in the circumstances, since half of the government had been penetrated by the Reds during Roosevelt Administrations. See, e.g., Harry Dexter White (chief negotiator at Bretton Woods), Alger Hiss, etc.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:00 PM (ez9Rh)

153 Bandersnatch, tell me about the horses? Costner is supposed to be using horses that come from some of my friends.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 09:00 PM (8T7EF)

154 Is it true that the DNC has officially pulled their support from Feinstein?
Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 08:59 PM (yJ9Jf)


Well, they'v endorsed Kevin de Wetback.

He must mow a mean lawn.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:01 PM (ez9Rh)

155 Nah, I want Occasio-Heydrich-Menzhinsky-Castro-Cortez to win.


Are you kidding? The humor value of her on the national stage? Plus, she's sort of hawt in a crazy-eyes don't let her know your real name don't stick you know what in you know what kind of way.


Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 09:01 PM (QDnY+)

156 > Or is it that she will be on the ballot in Nov. but the other guy will be running as an "independent Socialist Democrat?"

California has what are called "jungle primaries". The top two vote-getters (or vote-stealers, whatever) move on to the general election, even if both of them are from the same party. Thus, voters in the general will have a choice of Communist (de Leon) or Communist Light (Feinstein).

The party machine wants to go full communist, even though Feinstein got way more votes than de Leon in the primary, so they endorsed de Leon.

It's yet another of how the communists have started favoring political fundamentalism over everything else, including the ability to win elections.

I expect them to get still angrier and more dogmatic after they get another curb-stomping in November.





Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 09:01 PM (GXOTw)

157 LOL: Headline from "The Hill:" https://tinyurl.com/yajt3a84

Obama: Women need to get more involved because men are "getting on my nerves"

I'll bet that's not all they're getting on IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 09:02 PM (BiLU+)

158 Yeah, I just called my friend in Cali. Feinstein did win the Cali primary. But in the jungle, the second place guy is also a Dem-Socialist. He (a Tea-Party Trump voter) thinks Feinstein will still win because of the name recognition.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 09:02 PM (3HNOQ)

159 127
I'm an a-theist who gets down on my knees every day and thanks God for Donald Trump.
Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 08:40 PM (BiLU+)


Wow I hope Trump knows these things I guess he must - otherwise how he would find the strength to persevere ?
Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 08:53 PM (Z48ZB)


I hope that didn't sound sarcastic It was meant sincerely

Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 09:02 PM (Z48ZB)

160 153 Bandersnatch, tell me about the horses? Costner is supposed to be using horses that come from some of my friends.

Posted by: Ben Had

Why can't you ever say anything nice about me?

Posted by: Lena at July 18, 2018 09:03 PM (2xR5z)

161 I hope Kevin de Wetback wins. Get rid of any even slightly "moderate" dems, let them all be bugfukkin' nutz.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 09:03 PM (V2Yro)

162 155 Nah, I want Occasio-Heydrich-Menzhinsky-Castro-Cortez to win.


Are you kidding? The humor value of her on the national stage? Plus, she's sort of hawt in a crazy-eyes don't let her know your real name don't stick you know what in you know what kind of way.


Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 09:01 PM (QDnY+)


It's kind of pointless her being hawt if you can't stick your you-know-what into her you-know-what.

Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 09:03 PM (sdi6R)

163 I was in that area briefly in the late 70s, we were sort of surprised that was one of our visits, it was the only part of the Euro USSR where there'd been actual trouble recently.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 08:56 PM (QDnY+)

Polish Home Army remnants were still active to some degree into the 1950s.

Posted by: Miklos, who could never be head of the CIA, because I never voted for commies at July 18, 2018 09:03 PM (zCyNd)

164 150 Russian bots are super-powerful. They generate more Internet bandwidth than they consume!

Posted by: Ersatz

Are they powered by cold fusion? Or flux capacitors?
Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 09:00 PM (2xR5z)

I don't know for sure, but I do know that whatever the energy source you can be sure that it is:
100% Environmentally friendly
100% Carbon-Neutral
100% Gluten-free
100% Multicultural and Intersectional
and it emits a lovely floral scent!

Posted by: Ersatz at July 18, 2018 09:03 PM (44PTs)

165 151 Did the thread die?

Posted by: Surfperch at July 18, 2018 09:00 PM (j6XEO)

=========

I'm still trying to absorb Ace's two epic earlier posts and the comments ...

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 09:04 PM (BiLU+)

166 Test

Posted by: cornbred at July 18, 2018 09:04 PM (+DYLZ)

167 Well, they'v endorsed Kevin de Wetback.

He must mow a mean lawn.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:01 PM (ez9Rh)

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That, or it's because Feinstein has said a couple of things that made a little bit of sense, and were to the right of Marx.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 09:04 PM (yJ9Jf)

168 I'd read that we'd groomed White Russians and Ukrainians as agents to be sent back to the late, unlamented USSR (who else could pass?), and that they'd all been betrayed by moles/Democrats in the intelligence community/State Department.
=

They tried to use old rubles with Nicholas II on them. Dead giveaway.

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 09:04 PM (bUjCl)

169 Bandersnatch, tell me about the horses? Costner is supposed to be using horses that come from some of my friends.


Well, there are generic horses because it has Montana and cowboys. There's also a specific horse that they're trying to break who is proving a test of character to our guys.

Kevin Costner gave it a shot but said oh heck, I'm like 70, we need a young guy with rubber bones. So they took a young guy who doesn't know how to break horses and duct taped him to it.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 09:04 PM (fuK7c)

170 Lena, rode hard and put away dirty is the only comment I have for you.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 09:04 PM (8T7EF)

171 I hope Kevin de Wetback wins. Get rid of any even slightly "moderate" dems, let them all be bugfukkin' nutz.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 09:03 PM (V2Yro)

If he wins he'll just get primaried for being too conservative in ten years time.

Posted by: Surfperch at July 18, 2018 09:04 PM (j6XEO)

172 So Joe is the real communist in the race. He's going to win going away without even campaigning.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 08:48 PM (yQpMk)



It would be funny if the latest hero of the left, Commie Cortez lost in general. she disappear in the ash heap of other forgotten heroes of the left like Jon Ossoff

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 09:05 PM (SiINZ)

173 You know that Trump would love to declassify all this so that the MSM would have to report it, but then they would call Obstruction. Obstruction, Obstruction.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 18, 2018 09:05 PM (PvFoN)

174 Men have been getting on Obama's back, too.

Posted by: JuJuBee at July 18, 2018 09:05 PM (Y9p38)

175 Obama has announce that his vagina is very angry with men right now and he will be changing his name to Sally in a sign of angry vaginal solidarity.

Posted by: Drew in MO at July 18, 2018 09:06 PM (cGlgB)

176 Obstruction. Obstruction, Obstruction.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 18, 2018 09:05 PM (PvFoN)

Transparency=Obstruction


Uncle Joe would be proud.

Posted by: Miklos Molnar-Cortez at July 18, 2018 09:07 PM (zCyNd)

177 Test

Posted by: Naturalfake at July 18, 2018 09:07 PM (gTkzj)

178 I hope that didn't sound sarcastic It was meant sincerely

Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 09:02 PM (Z48ZB)

=====

Oh, no. I understood exactly what you meant. I too hope PDT realizes how much HOPE he's given most Americans (one step below the HOPE that God Gives believers).
[I'm reading Dennis Prager's commentary on The Torah, book 1, on Exodus. On a rational level, one has to be blown away by the wisdom it contains. I just have some psychological barriers owing to having suffered abuse by alcoholic parents as a child.]

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 09:07 PM (BiLU+)

179
What I want to know is who are these people who keep calling me on the telephone?

Posted by: Pan Tuber at July 18, 2018 09:07 PM (roQNm)

180 LOL: Headline from "The Hill:" https://tinyurl.com/yajt3a84

Obama: Women need to get more involved because men are "getting on my nerves"

I'll bet that's not all they're getting on IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 09:02 PM (BiLU+)



Men are on Barry's nerves because they pick him up use him for the night and never call him afterwards

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 09:07 PM (SiINZ)

181 > Obama has announce that his vagina is very angry with men right now and he will be changing his name to Sally in a sign of angry vaginal solidarity.

"Sally Ann Glitterboots", to be specific.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 09:08 PM (GXOTw)

182 It would be funny if the latest hero of the left, Commie Cortez lost in general. she disappear in the ash heap of other forgotten heroes of the left like Jon Ossoff

Could happen. Girl is so not ready for prime time even the Dems are complaining about her. Doubt she seriously thought she had a chance in the primary, but now the left is stuck with her.

Posted by: Antisocialist at July 18, 2018 09:09 PM (9BwmK)

183 In this restaurant, you will find only All ahs
terrible guacamole

Posted by: Naturalfake at July 18, 2018 09:09 PM (gTkzj)

184 The significance of any particular event is inversely proportional to the volume of media shrieking.

Posted by: Northernlurker, but call me Teem at July 18, 2018 09:09 PM (nBr1j)

185 "Mueller's office would not say whether the criminal breaches of GOP organizations carried out by the same bad Russian actors were investigated by his team with the same level of forensic analysis and scrutiny as the Democrat-related cybercrimes."


What scrutiny and forensic analysis would that be, exactly ?
Never examining the server ? Not asking any questions ?
Taking the word of a pack of jackleg "experts" ?
Just walking away when the DNC refused to cooperate ?
*spits*
Hard to see how they could have done less, while dragging down six-figure salaries and goose-stepping around in their snazzy windbreakers, but I'm sure that they managed it, somehow.
After all, Republicans deserve whatever happens to them, right ?
*spits*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at July 18, 2018 09:09 PM (yN/cP)

186 One upside of Dianne Feinstein losing the CA election is that it dodges a scenario in which she continues in office until finally dropping dead, thus allowing Jerry Brown or some other idiot governor appointing the spouse as a replacement.

Don't know how this became a thing, but it's imbecilic. No dynasties.

Posted by: Ersatz at July 18, 2018 09:09 PM (44PTs)

187 Men have been getting on Obama's back, too.
Posted by: JuJuBee at July 18, 2018 09:05 PM (Y9p3

It's called "Leading from Behind"!

Posted by: The JEF at July 18, 2018 09:10 PM (j6XEO)

188 Don't know how this became a thing, but it's imbecilic. No dynasties.

Exactly. See also Future Senator Cindy McCain. Since when did the office of Senator become hereditary?

Posted by: Antisocialist at July 18, 2018 09:11 PM (9BwmK)

189 HAHAHAHAHA
Hannity playing "Hellary's Russian Reset" video.

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 09:11 PM (XRHct)

190 Bandersnatch, Thank You.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 09:11 PM (8T7EF)

191 That is a great line. What are you watching?
---

Bander, it's "Mountains of the Moon", about the Speke/Burton expedition to discover the source of the Nile.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100196/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 09:11 PM (gUCYC)

192 Yes but the same lying liars who made up all the hacking and meddling crap. I don't believe any of it, really.

I'm think the Democrats were hacked by the entire dark world, from Hillary selling influence to the highest bidder and from the Pakistanis (!) doing IT in congress(!)

Posted by: Booknlass at July 18, 2018 09:11 PM (84I0r)

193 WOLVERINES!

Posted by: John McCain's Tumor at July 18, 2018 09:12 PM (HiLJ1)

194 WA state has the same stupid primary system (probably because of transplanted Californians). I've never heard it called the jungle primary here though.

Posted by: notsothoreau at July 18, 2018 09:12 PM (JKNZq)

195 > Girl is so not ready for prime time even the Dems are complaining about her.

Yeah, running in NYC without the vaguest comprehension of the Israel-related issues --> practically too stupid to breathe.

Did she think no one was going to ask about those issues? Really?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 09:12 PM (GXOTw)

196 > One upside of Dianne Feinstein losing the CA election


She isn't going to lose, any more than Crowley is going to lose.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 09:13 PM (GXOTw)

197 HAHAHAHAHA
Hannity playing "Hellary's Russian Reset" video.


Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 09:11 PM (XRHct)
******************
She was absolutely gushing.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 18, 2018 09:13 PM (PvFoN)

198 with a hack-hack here and a hack-hack there,
here a hack, there a hack, everywhere a hack-hack...

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 09:13 PM (XRHct)

199 Girl is so not ready for prime time even the Dems are complaining about her.

Yeah, running in NYC without the vaguest comprehension of the Israel-related issues --> practically too stupid to breathe.

Did she think no one was going to ask about those issues? Really?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 09:12 PM (GXOTw)



Her advisor on foreign affairs is Aleppo Johnson

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 09:14 PM (SiINZ)

200 She was absolutely gushing.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 18, 2018 09:13 PM (PvFoN)




She should wear adult diapers

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 09:14 PM (SiINZ)

201 > See also Future Senator Cindy McCain.

Remember when they tried to hand Ted Kennedy's Senate seat to Caroline?

Thank God that got shot down.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 09:14 PM (GXOTw)

202 I coulda been, you know, like, a contendah.

Posted by: Caroline Kennedy at July 18, 2018 09:15 PM (HiLJ1)

203 She was absolutely gushing.
...

Gushing with....

TREASON!!

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 18, 2018 09:16 PM (XRHct)

204 WOLVERINES!
Posted by: John McCain's Tumor at July 18, 2018 09:12 PM (HiLJ1)

Y0u zH0U1dn'T sAy tHAt 1n a kR0wDuD thEaTrE, Pr3sdiNt BuSsH!

Posted by: San Fran Nan at July 18, 2018 09:16 PM (j6XEO)

205 202 I coulda been, you know, like, a contendah.
Posted by: Caroline Kennedy at July 18, 2018 09:15 PM (HiLJ1)



You're smart. Not like they say.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 09:17 PM (+lOpA)

206 See also Future Senator Cindy McCain.

Remember when they tried to hand Ted Kennedy's Senate seat to Caroline?

Thank God that got shot down.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 09:14 PM (GXOTw)
*************************

If I lived in Arizona I'd be rallying the troops.
Trump needs to call the governor.

Posted by: redridinghood at July 18, 2018 09:17 PM (PvFoN)

207 Did she think no one was going to ask about those issues? Really?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia,

The interviewer is to blame. Crazy-eyes had already fumbled one question about Palestinians, indicating nothing was happening in her brain. The interviewer, seeing this, ASKED A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION! What??? Asked a follow-up? That ain't supposed to happen.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 09:18 PM (2xR5z)

208 They were probably hacking Republican computers just to see if there was anything they needed.

It would have been awkward to ask, so they hacked in to see if things were OK, or if they needed any help anywhere. That's how friends are.

They maybe even hacked in to correct spelling errors and grammar. You never know.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at July 18, 2018 09:18 PM (LWu6U)

209 "Mountains of the Moon", about the Speke/Burton expedition to discover the source of the Nile.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100196/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes



Oh, I like the clip on IMDB.

I knew I'd seen the director's name, Bob Rafelson, but I couldn't place it. He's done Stay Hungry, Five Easy Pieces, and the Monkees.

That's a career.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 09:18 PM (fuK7c)

210 The interviewer is to blame. Crazy-eyes had already fumbled one question about Palestinians, indicating nothing was happening in her brain. The interviewer, seeing this, ASKED A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION! What??? Asked a follow-up? That ain't supposed to happen.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 09:18 PM (2xR5z)



How do you know when a dem is out of favor with the media?

For 1000, Alex.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 09:20 PM (+lOpA)

211 155 Nah, I want Occasio-Heydrich-Menzhinsky-Castro-Cortez to win.

Are you kidding? The humor value of her on the national stage? Plus, she's sort of hawt in a crazy-eyes don't let her know your real name don't stick you know what in you know what kind of way.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 09:01 PM (QDnY+)


Good point. There is that. The humor potential of a Hispanic Maxine Waters is definitely there.

But so is the alternative outcome, that after all the quacking about this "rising star" in the Democrat Party, showing the way to "democratic socialism" it turns that she wasn't a "rising star," but rather more like a "floating turd."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:21 PM (ez9Rh)

212 I saw Gushing Hillary open for Huma Abedin in my nightmares from Hell.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 09:22 PM (+lOpA)

213 The interviewer is to blame. Crazy-eyes had already fumbled one question about Palestinians, indicating nothing was happening in her brain.

We'll overlook the exaggeration.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:22 PM (ez9Rh)

214 Future of the Donk party indeed.

Posted by: cornbred at July 18, 2018 09:23 PM (+DYLZ)

215 Hill's press secretary telling Comey 'no thanks' for the endorsement.
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/
1019633412586418176

Posted by: andycanuck at July 18, 2018 09:24 PM (Evws/)

216 214 Future of the Donk party indeed.
Posted by: cornbred at July 18, 2018 09:23 PM (+DYLZ)



A neutron star of hate.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 09:25 PM (+lOpA)

217 Democracy is too close to mob rule.

Constitutional republic is what I'd like to get back toward. We have to make the gubmitt great again too

The Nutballs always emphasize democracy

Posted by: Booknlass at July 18, 2018 09:25 PM (84I0r)

218 194 WA state has the same stupid primary system (probably because of transplanted Californians). I've never heard it called the jungle primary here though.
Posted by: notsothoreau at July 18, 2018 09:12 PM (JKNZq)


The name came from the leftists.

Racists. They're implying that the jungle is a savage place, all against all, red in tooth and claw.

It is, of course. You're just not supposed to imply it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:25 PM (ez9Rh)

219 Future of the Donk party indeed.
Posted by: cornbred at July 18, 2018 09:23 PM (+DYLZ)

---------

Tom Perez, Chairman of the DNC, has even said so himself. Pols like her and Democratic Socialism as their party platform.

Publicly.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 09:26 PM (yJ9Jf)

220 Oh, that interview of Occasional-Cortex gets even better when you find out what her major was at Boston University:


International Relations.

Posted by: pookysgirl at July 18, 2018 09:26 PM (XKZwp)

221 " she wasn't a "rising star," but rather more like a "floating turd.""


"Alas! The onion you are eating is someone else's water lily."

Best cookie fortune I ever got !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at July 18, 2018 09:26 PM (yN/cP)

222 One upside of Dianne Feinstein losing the CA election is that it dodges a scenario in which she continues in office until finally dropping dead, thus allowing Jerry Brown or some other idiot governor appointing the spouse as a replacement.

Don't know how this became a thing, but it's imbecilic. No dynasties.
Posted by: Ersatz at July 18, 2018 09:09 PM (44PTs)

That's not the worst case. The CA dems are already backing her challenger because they want him to become established as an incumbant with the name association and the requisite war chest that helps them keep the seat on lockdown. Feinstein dying sometime during her term is a disadvantage because it means a viable challenger might appear sometime.

Also, reliably left-wing as she is, she is on occasion rational. And rationality is verboten in the modern democrat party.

Posted by: Sjg at July 18, 2018 09:26 PM (gDSJf)

223 Bongino was absolutely enraged about this today. Apparently the DOJ is still trying to keep this aspect of the official reports classified but not the parts about the attacks on the Democrats.

Posted by: Sharkman at July 18, 2018 09:27 PM (k2Hcx)

224 186 One upside of Dianne Feinstein losing the CA election is that it dodges a scenario in which she continues in office until finally dropping dead, thus allowing Jerry Brown or some other idiot governor appointing the spouse as a replacement.

Posted by: Ersatz at July 18, 2018 09:09 PM (44PTs)


Nah. Leon Blum's can't be bothered. He's too busy raking in that good good baksheesh from HIGH. SPEED. RAIL.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:27 PM (ez9Rh)

225 International Relations.
Posted by: pookysgirl at July 18, 2018 09:26 PM (XKZwp)


Back when I was single, I went in for some international relations on trips to Europe.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:29 PM (ez9Rh)

226 Feinstein is most probably going to win on name recognition alone. But she is feeling like a pariah from her own party right now.

Posted by: IC at July 18, 2018 09:29 PM (PEJUg)

227 I love bongino! I m enraged too

Hope we don't stroke out

Posted by: Booknlass at July 18, 2018 09:29 PM (84I0r)

228 215 Hill's press secretary telling Comey 'no thanks' for the endorsement.
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/
1019633412586418176

Posted by: andycanuck

James is now thinking that both he and Jesus had problems with reluctant disciples

Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 09:30 PM (2xR5z)

229 226 Feinstein is most probably going to win on name recognition alone. But she is feeling like a pariah from her own party right now.
Posted by: IC at July 18, 2018 09:29 PM (PEJUg)


But think about it: if she wins, she'll feel ZERO affection for the Democrat apparat that rejected her.

That, in and of itself, could be entertaining.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:30 PM (ez9Rh)

230 iirc
_Diane Feinstein's husband is Bechtel.
_Nancy Pelosi's family has an offshore canning factory and onshore vinyard/winery.
_Jane Harmon's husband is Harmon of Harmon Kardon speakers.
_Maxine Waters' husband is a bank.


Looks like they are/were very exclusive K Street operatives.


(BIRM)

Posted by: Braenyard _now serving Buffalo Chips to the DNC at July 18, 2018 09:31 PM (ajJoO)

231 About that new employee walking 20 miles for his first day on the job thing from the sidebar...

Wow, lefties can still manage to impress me sometimes with their ability to shit all over something awesome.

Walter Carr is clearly something special. His boss saw this, and rewarded him with a frickin' new car after one day on the job. How long did you have to wait to get any sort of benefits or bonuses at your job? Yeah.

Walter received a bonus that's probably pretty close to 100% of his annual salary after one day on the job. He did something really amazing, and his boss did something pretty awesome for him in return

And Walter isn't even gonna be working there long-term! He's almost done getting his Associate's Degree, and then he's joining the Marines. Where, by the way... I think he'll fit right in. Marines tend to be impressive dudes, after all.

Here's what ultimately happened, here... one good man really impressed another good man, and received a great reward for it. They both deserve some serious praise!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 09:31 PM (wSC8T)

232 Another example of #twolaws


Hack Democrats, stop at nothing to get the culprits


Hack Republicans, meh.

Posted by: MAGA at July 18, 2018 09:33 PM (LnOh3)

233 Hill's press secretary telling Comey 'no thanks' for the endorsement.
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/
1019633412586418176
Posted by: andycanuck at July 18, 2018 09:24 PM (Evws/)


OK, I wasn't totally forthcoming in the past...
Obama told Lynch to tell me to exonerate Hillary.

All I could do was read a laundry list and say that nobody, nobody meaning Lynch, would not prosecute.

Posted by: Long Tall Jim Comey at July 18, 2018 09:33 PM (1g7ch)

234 Challenge their premise. We cannot dispute elections simply because foreign actors send phishing emails to politicians!

First of all, EVERYBODY gets foreign phishing emails. There's no way to insulate stupid pols against clicking links in malicious mail, except to ban their internet use.

Second of all, such disputation grants foreign actors the power to CONTROL our elections by simply sending us malicious emails.

This whole "meddling" thing is a g$ddam nothingburger because of the PHONY premise that our democracy cannot withstand disinformation. We need to firmly, explicitly reject that premise! 99% of what voters see is ALWAYS slanted information, from a million different sources, domestic and foreign. Why are we even a republic if we can't trust voters to be skeptical and use discernment? Will we need to muzzle parodists like The Onion and Clickhole, simply because there are stupid voters who believe facially phony content?

Posted by: gp at July 18, 2018 09:33 PM (mk9aG)

235 229, Indeed Jay..hope she feels spiteful and in search for revenge against the dems. it will be delicious to watch.

Posted by: IC at July 18, 2018 09:33 PM (PEJUg)

236 235 229, Indeed Jay..hope she feels spiteful and in search for revenge against the dems. it will be delicious to watch.
Posted by: IC at July 18, 2018 09:33 PM (PEJUg)


How could she not? The Democrat Party has decided she's too old and out of touch. I think anyone in that position would go out of his way to drop a deuce in their shoe, just because.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:34 PM (ez9Rh)

237 Remember when they tried to hand Ted Kennedy's Senate seat to Caroline?
Thank God that got shot down.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 09:14

IIRC it was Hillary's seat in NY. Caroline was so incoherent and stuttering she was made a laughing stock, despite being the daughter of St. JFK. Lordy she sounded stupid.

Posted by: Farmer at July 18, 2018 09:35 PM (yJ1e6)

238 About that new employee walking 20 miles for his first day on the job thing from the sidebar...


I am the turd in the punchbowl on this one. I don't buy it.

I think a moving company hired a creative publicist.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 09:35 PM (fuK7c)

239 It's all been a g&ddam nothingburger all along.


They know that. They don't care.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 09:36 PM (+lOpA)

240 How could she not? The Democrat Party has decided she's too old and out of touch. I think anyone in that position would go out of his way to drop a deuce in their shoe, just because.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:34 PM (ez9Rh)

----------------

Pretty wierd attitude from the party that ran Granny McDrunken Falldown for President.

Nah. She wasn't old and out of touch at all.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 09:37 PM (yJ9Jf)

241 Of course the Russians attempted to penetrate the RNC network.

This whole situation illustrates the attention and importance the R's place on data vs. the D's.

In real life. Your data, vs. the state.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 18, 2018 09:38 PM (iiixZ)

242 Ace is en me.

Posted by: Fuego at July 18, 2018 09:38 PM (AcX7Y)

243 CNN's Cillizza Worried that Ocasio-Cortez Could Harm Democrats

Nervous Cillizza expresses his extreme worry about the disastrous effect that Ocasio-Cortez could have on his beloved Democrats in "Democrats should maybe slow their roll on pushing Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as their next big star"



What? Everyone loves commies. Except when they're honest about being commies.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 09:38 PM (SiINZ)

244 How could she not? The Democrat Party has decided she's too old and out of touch. I think anyone in that position would go out of his way to drop a deuce in their shoe, just because.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

And a week later, it would be revealed the DNC hack originated from a server in DiFi's basement.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 09:39 PM (2xR5z)

245 Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party.

Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party.

Posted by: QWERTY at July 18, 2018 09:39 PM (RfYYV)

246 Tom Steyer wasted no time producing a bullshit Impeach Trump video based on Helsinki. I know that it aired here, where he is targeting NC, don't know about elsewhere.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 09:40 PM (sd+O2)

247 Can someone enlighten me?

Cali has this most open of primaries. Everybody, regardless of party, runs in the same primary. The top two vote getters get to do it again in the general election in November. Doesn't matter if both of the top vote getters are from different parties, or the same party. It's like the Thunderdome of elections: Everybody enters, only two leave.

Kali Dems are prepping the battlefield for 2020/2024, when Kamala will run for the nomination.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 18, 2018 09:40 PM (brIR5)

248 Ace is waxing philosophic today. Nice posts below about foreign policy.
A welcome break from the eleventy! of the day brought to us by the NeverTrumpers and the leftist media.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 18, 2018 09:40 PM (z79tQ)

249 How could she not? The Democrat Party has decided she's too old and out of touch. I think anyone in that position would go out of his way to drop a deuce in their shoe, just because.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:34 PM (ez9Rh)


I may not ever agree with Feinstein. But I don't think I ever saw her and thought, "Damn! She is so daft she should be put out to pasture."

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 18, 2018 09:40 PM (1g7ch)

250 > Oh, that interview of Occasional-Cortex gets even better when you find out what her major was at Boston University:
> International Relations.


Which apparently qualifies you for a career tending bar.

Odds that there are photos of someone doing a shot or a line of coke off her butt?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 09:41 PM (GXOTw)

251
Odd how children ripped from their mothers' arms has disappeared from the headlines now that Trump is Putin's puppet is the latest outrage again.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 09:41 PM (SiINZ)

252 Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 09:35 PM (fuK7c)

There are occasionally stories like this, Bandersnatch. I post them from "Sunny Skyz". I don't they could all be creative publicists.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 18, 2018 09:42 PM (AllCR)

253 > What? Everyone loves commies. Except when they're honest about being commies.

100 million dead bodies = bad optics.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 09:42 PM (GXOTw)

254 239 It's all been a g&ddam nothingburger all along.


They know that. They don't care.
Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 09:36 PM (+lOpA)

They don't call it Hamburger Helper for nothing, eleven.

Posted by: Uncle Eddie at July 18, 2018 09:42 PM (qFAqW)

255 Yes, but that was in 2003, back when Democrats still loved Russians. Now after the Democrats couldn't pull Hillary Clinton's alcoholic, decrepit a$$ over the finish line in 2016, they need a scapegoat and Russia!!!!RUSSIA!!!!RUSSIA!!!!!reeeeee!!! is the evilist of countries.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 18, 2018 08:20 PM (5Yee7)

This bears repeating. The Donks are pissed, not that the Russians helped Trump, which they didn't, but that they didn't help Hillaroid enough to secure the win for her.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 09:42 PM (bNb8V)

256 in an alternate universe, President Hillary urges our NATO allies to not increase military spending in order to avoid pressuring Russia to become more aggressive.
Also, the Supreme Court rules that the 2nd Amendment only protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms when they are on active duty in an official state militia.

Also, Bill claims that "it wasn't really sex because I didn't enjoy it" and James Comey opines,"lots of dresses these days are designed to look like they have cum stains on them"

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 09:43 PM (KxbBq)

257 @52-Doubt, not don't.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 18, 2018 09:43 PM (AllCR)

258 Well there are some republicans on the ticket for mid terms in Cali, including for the governor. but there are just too many illegals voting in this state for a continuation of their welfare program for any change. and the exodus from the state will just increase in pace and intensity.

Posted by: IC at July 18, 2018 09:44 PM (PEJUg)

259 246
Tom Steyer wasted no time producing a bullshit Impeach Trump video based
on Helsinki. I know that it aired here, where he is targeting NC, don't
know about elsewhere.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.



I'm sure to his fellow insane cultists, those commercials are effective. To normal people, he comes off as a loon.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 18, 2018 09:44 PM (20X6f)

260 IIRC it was Hillary's seat in NY. Caroline was so incoherent and stuttering she was made a laughing stock, despite being the daughter of St. JFK. Lordy she sounded stupid.
Posted by: Farmer at July 18, 2018 09:35 PM (yJ1e6)


Despite, because, what's in a word?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:45 PM (ez9Rh)

261 also, as I said the other day, RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA will be the Democrats cry when the Repubs pick up seats in the Senate and keep the House.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 09:45 PM (KxbBq)

262 About that new employee walking 20 miles for his first day on the job thing from the sidebar...


I am the turd in the punchbowl on this one. I don't buy it.

I think a moving company hired a creative publicist.
Posted by: Bandersnatch


If it was 20 miles why didn't he have a bicycle? I used to ride mine several miles to work before I had a car.

Posted by: X-ray at July 18, 2018 09:45 PM (YdakM)

263 I suppose that's possible, Bander. There are enough details in the full story for you to do some research, if you're so inclined. The cops and the customer are named, and could easily be contacted.

I'm inclined to believe it, myself.

The dude's joining the Marines, so it makes total sense that he's of that mindset that he'll do whatever it takes to complete the objective.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 09:45 PM (wSC8T)

264 Odd how children ripped from their mothers' arms has disappeared from the headlines now that Trump is Putin's puppet is the latest outrage again.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 09:41 PM (SiINZ)


They're being nursed by Stormy Whats-Her-Name. I forget.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:45 PM (ez9Rh)

265 Odd how children ripped from their mothers' arms has disappeared from the headlines now that Trump is Putin's puppet is the latest outrage again.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 09:41 PM (SiINZ)

------------

A friend of a friend on FaceDesk was going on about "Russian Stooge". I asked her how he could possibly have time, as he was too busy ripping babies out of their Mother's arms, or was as of last week.

Her response, for real? "You're not listening to what I'm saying or taking me seriously". No, no I'm not, but I'm surprised you are self aware enough to know that.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 09:47 PM (yJ9Jf)

266 261
also, as I said the other day, RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA will be the
Democrats cry when the Repubs pick up seats in the Senate and keep the
House.


Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken



IT'S GOING TO BE A SHORT NIGHT, COMRADE!!

Posted by: Will Bynn Bot at July 18, 2018 09:47 PM (20X6f)

267 246 Tom Steyer wasted no time producing a bullshit Impeach Trump video based on Helsinki. I know that it aired here, where he is targeting NC, don't know about elsewhere.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 18, 2018 09:40 PM (sd+O2)
----------------------------
Yep.
Saw one here in SW VA so it must be a nationwide effort.

"Trump met privately with a dictator on foreign soil
!1!!!1!!" (What president hasn't? LOL)

In all seriousness, that is one creepy, creepy dude.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 18, 2018 09:47 PM (0jtPF)

268 How did Alexandra mess up a question on Israel? I hadn't heard that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 18, 2018 09:48 PM (AllCR)

269 > But think about it: if she wins, she'll feel ZERO affection for the Democrat apparat that rejected her.

> That, in and of itself, could be entertaining.

I am put in mind of Henry Kissinger's comment on the Iran-Iraq War: "It's a pity they can't both lose."


Seriously, having rival candidates from the Democrats and the "Democratic Socialists" sounds like an awesome way to increase the Republican majority even more. Not in Feinstein's California district, of course, but perhaps in some areas of the country that are only borderline insane rather than fully insane.

Fratricide: how does it work?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia, Pope Alexander VI at July 18, 2018 09:48 PM (GXOTw)

270 fe 262: walked 20 miles. that would take... five or six hours?

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 09:48 PM (KxbBq)

271 Tom Steyer wasted no time producing a bullshit Impeach Trump video based on Helsinki. I know that it aired here, where he is targeting NC, don't know about elsewhere.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.


I'm sure to his fellow insane cultists, those commercials are effective. To normal people, he comes off as a loon.

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 18, 2018 09:44 PM (20X6f)


I saw him interviewed on CNBC a while ago. He comes off as a foaming at the mouth loon. Really unhinged. I'm hoping that Trump sends them so far off the deep end they end up like explodey heads in Scanners

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 09:49 PM (SiINZ)

272 Preliminary text of my felony complaint against the governor of the Virgin Islands.
On or about September 7, 2017, as part of the preparations for an expected strike of Hurricane Irma, the governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands, Kenneth Mapp, ordered the National Guard to seize lawfully owned firearms and ammunition from residents of this U.S. Territory. Each weapon seized is an individual felony count of violation of 18 U.S. Code 242. (Since the National Guard troops were armed at the time.) The appropriate section of 18 U.S. Code 242 reads as follows:
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States...

The governor was apparently acting under color of some law granting him some sort of emergency power. That does not matter, as 18 U.S. Code 242 says, no law may override constitutional rights. His action, and the actions of the National Guard troops involved, directly deprived the victims of their crimes, of their second amendment rights to keep and bear arms, and are, without question, textbook violations of 18 U.S. Code 242.

I have filed these charges as soon as became aware of the actions of the Governor and National Guardsmen.

Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 09:49 PM (pCa05)

273 The dude's joining the Marines, so it makes total sense that he's of that mindset that he'll do whatever it takes to complete the objective.


Yup. I will be happy to be proven wrong.

Guy appeared on Fox this morning wearing a company T-shirt and a company headband. CEO gave him his car on his first day, which means before he'd done anything else to prove himself other than walk a lot.

If true, it's a beautiful story.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 09:49 PM (fuK7c)

274 270 fe 262: walked 20 miles. that would take... five or six hours?
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 09:48 PM (KxbBq)


4 hours at 5 per. A Marine would do it in 3 hours at 7 per. I can see it.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 09:50 PM (+lOpA)

275 I once walked several miles to my first day on a new job. Not twenty miles, but still... I also misjudged the distance and ended up being a couple of hours late.

I was so broke I didn't have bus fare that morning.

My reward for that was that I got to keep working there. And I was grateful!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 09:51 PM (wSC8T)

276 Newsbusters - Nets Skip Democrats Wimping Out on Their Chance to Oppose ICE

The opposition to ICE failed spectacularly as only 34 were willing to vote "no." It was an embarrassing turn of events that went completely unreported on the evening newscasts of ABC, CBS, and NBC.



Gee, I wonder why?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 09:51 PM (SiINZ)

277 >>>They're being nursed by Stormy Whats-Her-Name. I forget.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity<<<

Can we be absolutely certain there aren't sippy-cups of almond milk or soy bean milk in her boulder-holder?

Posted by: QWERTY at July 18, 2018 09:51 PM (RfYYV)

278 How did Alexandra mess up a question on Israel? I hadn't heard that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 18, 2018 09:48 PM (AllCR)



(from Newsbusters) Ocasio-Cortez gets herself into trouble when she starts talking about the Middle East and referring to Israelis who have settled in the West Bank as occupiers of Palestine. Hoover follows up, smartly, and Ocasio-Cortez begins to talk about an increase in settlements that makes it more difficult for Palestinians to access "their housing." Sensing that she is making things worse not better, Ocasio-Cortez admits: "I am not the expert on geopolitics on this issue."

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 09:53 PM (SiINZ)

279 271: Too be fair, the Left is already far off the deep end. they just keep going further into the abyss. Wait till the find out its bottomless. Hope springs eternal though. The 'proof' of TRUMP TREASON is there dammit!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at July 18, 2018 09:53 PM (20X6f)

280 I'm a fast walker. I once walked 13 miles, and it took me a little over four hours. Three miles per hour is pretty brisk.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler, Super-Elite at July 18, 2018 09:55 PM (wSC8T)

281 How long does it take to walk 20 miles? If he can walk a mile in 15 minutes, that would take 5 hours.

I guess the boss must have really believed that he walked that far, as opposed to simply missing half the workday.

Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 09:55 PM (sdi6R)

282 268 How did Alexandra mess up a question on Israel? I hadn't heard that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke

She was rattling off a series of boiler-plate statements. She mentioned (iirc) "occupation". Interviewer follows up with "let's go a little deeper into what you mean by occupation". And then it got silly. Monty Python Extremely Silly Party-level silly.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 09:55 PM (2xR5z)

283 "Finishing times for marathons (26.2 miles) range from a little over two hours for world-class, elite marathoners to eight or more hours for walkers."


From Internetpedia.

So. I don't know that's a damn long way to walk.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 09:56 PM (+lOpA)

284 106 Russian bots are people, too.


I know, right?

Posted by: Mitt Romney and Citizens United at July 18, 2018 09:57 PM (UsCnO)

285 Maybe he showed up at closing time.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 09:57 PM (+lOpA)

286 How long does it take to walk 20 miles? If he can walk a mile in 15 minutes, that would take 5 hours.


The story is that he google mapped it and it was supposed to take 7 hours so he left at midnight for an 08:00 start. Some cops gave him a ride along the way.

The logistics work out. I just find the story...convenient.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 09:58 PM (fuK7c)

287 I'd have found a piece of cardboard and written "I need a ride to my job" and I'll bet he could have been there in 20 min.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 09:59 PM (8T7EF)

288 Hey, Steyer, the 80s called...



Oh, and by the way,

Steyer < Steyr

Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 18, 2018 09:59 PM (rqWic)

289 How long does it take to walk 20 miles? If he can walk a mile in 15 minutes, that would take 5 hours.





Now if a train leaves Chicago traveling at the same speed how long will it take for the guy to miss his bus?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 18, 2018 10:02 PM (SiINZ)

290 282
She was rattling off a series of boiler-plate statements. She mentioned (iirc) "occupation". Interviewer follows up with "let's go a little deeper into what you mean by occupation". And then it got silly. Monty Python Extremely Silly Party-level silly.
Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 09:55 PM (2xR5z)


She went on to say that protesters should "occupy" airports. So I guess "occupation" can be either good or bad depending on who is doing it to whom.

Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 10:03 PM (sdi6R)

291 Nood ONT - for any who haven't figured it out yet!

Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 18, 2018 10:07 PM (+F0Wk)

292 They're being nursed by Stormy Whats-Her-Name. I forget.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 09:45 PM (ez9Rh)

Ain't no nourishment in silicone.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 18, 2018 10:13 PM (bNb8V)

293 I live in CA and NFW I vote for Kevin DeLeon. He's a total nut head socialist. I will actually vote for Feinstein to keep that supreme asshole out.
Thank the Demo supermajority here for trashing a two party election.
....but the weathers great here!

Posted by: keena at July 18, 2018 11:21 PM (RiTnx)

294 I would never vote for Feinstein, DeLeon, or any Democrat in California! #Communists

Feinstein in 1995: 'Mr. and Mrs. America, Turn Them All In'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffI-tWh37UY

Posted by: Trigger Warning at July 19, 2018 12:18 AM (YRXy3)

The Ukraine Was a Test Case of American Foreign Policy Moralism Vs. American Foreign Policy Realism, and Realism Won in a Rout

The basic tension in US foreign policy theorizing is between moralism and realism. Moralism is an idealistic position that urges that we bear any burden in support of liberty. Realism is a far less idealistic position that says we'll ask ourselves -- realistically -- how much of a burden we're willing to bear in support of liberty.

There is virtually no one who is a 100% moralist and virtually no one who is a 100% realist. Virtually everyone is a mix, somewhere on the spectrum between these two poles.

The disputes come not between absolute moralists, who don't exist in any large numbers, and absolute realists, who likewise don't exist in large numbers, but between those who urge a more moralistic foreign policy, and those who ure a more realistic one.

Though those urging for more moralism are still informed by realism and those urging realism are still animated by moralism.

It's a question of degree.

My diagnosis of the foreign policy establishment's and neocons' analysis of foreign policy is that they view things through an almost purely moral lens, as if it's dirty and grubby to even consider pesky little questions like "What realistically can be done to vindicate this moral right? What can reasonably be asked of the American people to vindicate this moral right?"

And I would argue that the foreign policy establishment, and the neocons who dominate the foreign policy establishment's right-hand wing, are far too devoted to a risibly moralistic concept of foreign policy that results in immoral and perverse outcomes.

Let's look at the Ukraine.

Ukraine has always been dominated by Russia. Russia colonized it. Russia annexed it. Russia suppressed Ukrainians' own language as well as its (Christian) church.

I've known some Ukranian-Americans, and they were flag-waving patriots of both America and their beloved Ukraine. They loved Reagan, because Reagan understood Soviet evil -- an evil Ukranians had been suffering under for their entire lives.

The Ukrainians have long wished for true freedom from the bullying (and worse) of their large, powerful, evil neighbor.

And they have every moral right to that freedom.

The trouble is, while they have every moral right, they do not have the physical might to be totally free of Russia's domination.

Ukraine, while formally an independent country since it broke away from the Soviet Union in 1991, continued suffering under Russian domination. Technically they were independent -- but Russia acted as a cynical colonial power interfering in Ukrainian political decisions and thwarting the will of this long-oppressed people.

In 2013, the so-called Euromaidan Revolution began.

You can read up on that as you like, but the major thrust is that Ukraine wanted to join the EU. They wanted to align themselves with free Europe, and distance themselves from Russian control.

So they kicked out the Russian puppet president of Ukraine.

Russia didn't like that. And the threat of a Russian invasion loomed.

The EU and the United States had different reactions to the Ukraine's morally-righteous but politically-provocative actions.

The EU understood that it was a nation of self-interested pacifists who would not under any circumstances do much of anything -- apart from issuing communiques and the like -- to guarantee the Ukraine's political independence and territorial integrity. Basically, the EU counselled the Ukraine to go very slow and not upset too many Russian applecarts.

Cowardly? Maybe. But while they could be accused of physical cowardice they can't be accused of the cowardice of lying to themselves. They knew damn well they would not lift a finger to help Ukraine should Russia invade, and they said so pretty clearly.

So they told Ukraine to not do anything so provocative in declaring their independence from the Russian empire that the Russian empire would reassert its dominance.

They did not lie to themselves about their willingness to fight for Ukraine, and so they did not lie to the Ukraine, either.

On the other hand, there's Barack Obama. The man who would, by the very power of the charisms God granted him, cause the oceans to recede by the power of his arrogant gaze alone.

Remember Victoria Nuland's "Fuck the EU!" phone call that leaked?

Well, the "Fuck the EU" concerned the EU's cautious, go-slow urgings. The US chose to ignore misgivings about a possible Russian invasion and encouraged the Ukraine to get into a fight with Russia that they could not win.

Well, the Ukraine got into that fight -- presumably expecting help from the US, which had encouraged it to get into a fight with Russia.

And guess how much the US helped?

Almost none at all, of course. We did the same things the EU was prepared to do -- issue Stinging Rebukes and Harshly Worded Statements.

But when the Russians began sending mercenaries and special forces troops over the border to pretend to be "native Ukrainians fighting to stay aligned with their historical oppressor Russia," what did we do, beyond offering some sweet words of support?

Nothing. We sent in some medical aid and other non-military aid.

End result? Russian mercenaries and special forces operators faked an "indigenous uprising," killed a lot of Ukrainians, shot down a passenger jet, seized control centers in the Crimea, staged a "referendum" on whether Crimean wanted to stay in Ukraine or annex themselves to Russia.

Spoiler alert on how that turned out: Armed Russian mercenaries were manning the polling places. Do the math.

In the end, the Ukrainian rebellion was met with fire and slaughter and put down. Ukraine's subordinate position to the Russian empire was reinforced. And the most strategically important part of Ukraine decided to re-join Russia in a vote that was totally fair and free of coercion.

The Ukraine is in no better a position than it was before the Revolution, except that more Ukrainians are dead and that a major part of Ukraine is now Russia.

Here's a question: Between the EU response -- go slow, do not start a fight we are unwilling to help you in -- and the US response -- go fast, start a fight, we'll be with you all the way (except we won't be at all) -- which was the more "moral" response?

The EU response looks less moral at first glance. After all, they were basically telling the Ukraine to continue putting up with a substantial amount of Russian interference and domination.

The US response looks more moral, but only at first glance. We pushed for the Best of All Possible Worlds solution. Declare your independence from Russia and align yourself with the peaceful nations of Europe.

But when the perfectly-predictable happened -- when Russia invaded with professional troops pretending to be Ukrainian freedom fighters -- we let them get slaughtered and set them down a path where they actually came out of the conflict in a worse position than they had begun it.

So which was more moral? I know it must have felt super-good when Victoria Nuland said "Fuck the EU!" and urged Ukraine to fight for its independence.

But how did it feel in the months and years that followed, with Ukrainians being bombed and shot and passenger jets being shot from the sky?

A policy impulse -- I think "impulse" is the right word here, because I can't ascribe to it enough actual thinking to call it a "philosophy" -- that felt good when announced, that felt good when it cost nothing at all, actually wound up feeling not so good at all when people started getting killed and Ukraine looked to America for actual support, support that would actually cost America something, and America said, "Here's a sternly worded letter of reprimand for the Russian mercenaries murdering you."

That's not moral.

Morality comes after wisdom, and wisdom can only be had if someone is honest with themselves about what burdens they're actually willing to bear -- not just the burdens they're glad to rhetorically claim they'll bear -- and what costs they're willing to pay.

People who lie to themselves about what they're willing to do are not wise, and, because they're not wise, they also can't really be moral. And their ill-wisdom can often lead to immoral outcomes, as they promiscuously make promises they've never thought very hard about and therefore feel free to shed at earliest convenience.

America has a limited appetite for war. Americans will go to war, but they do reach a point of exhaustion with war after some number of years.

It is silly to pretend this fact away in order to count oneself as "idealistic." People who ignore reality are not "idealistic;" they're just cowards afraid to face reality.

The fact is that Americans are tired of war and it is dangerous to write checks on America's war-fighting account that it might not be willing to cover.

The fact is that one of America's two main political parties is always willing to be part of a war at the Fun Part of the war -- the declaration of war part, the first-easy-victories part -- but which abandons every war it votes for when it sees any small political advantage in doing so.

Joe Biden, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and many other Democrat Senators voted for the War in Iraq. Within three years, they were screaming that Bush "lied us into war" and that we must withdraw immediately.

It is insane to pretend this away. If you know Democrats will give you initial support for a war they'll happily vote you into, when doing so grants them political advantage, and then savagely turn on that war the moment they get political advantage from that, it is lunacy to even count them as allies in war.

By the way: The NeverTrumpers who sometimes claim "At least Hillary Clinton would have been better on foreign policy?" Yes, of course. The same Hillary Clinton who voted for the War in Iraq to show how tough she would be as a president, and then agitated to abandon troops in the field when she realized that opposing the war would boost her chances of becoming president.

Yeah, we need that kind of patriot as President, rather than the unamerican, immoral Trump.

In 2008, Obama campaigned on the idea that he would somehow both withdraw from Iraq and yet also "win" Iraq by withdrawing.

I was incensed by this; it was so obviously, transparently a lie and a dodge. He wasn't planning to "win" anything; he just wanted to bug out. I was angry at the media for never challenging his "Win by Withdrawing" claims and pissed off at Americans for believing this bullshit.

But they voted him into office anyway, and by decent margins. I realized that Americans weren't really tricked by Obama; rather, Obama told them a lie that they knew was a lie but they wanted some "out" to pretend they were honoring the sacrifice of the already-dead while also bugging out of Iraq.

So Obama pretended he would "win" the war in Iraq, and the American public pretended to believe him.

They really didn't.

But they did want out of the war, one way or the other, either stated forthrightly or crabwalked dishonestly, and they voted for Obama, and they voted for the dishonest crabwalk way of abandoning Iraq.

And it was their right to make that choice. Every people has a right to decide how much of war's burdens it's willing to bear.

But they did make that choice, and we cannot pretend that they didn't, and we cannot pretend that Americans' appetite for war is as limitless as internet bloviators' capacity for self-aggrandizement.

When we think of war, we must assume that Democrats and therefore 45% of the country will turn on that war by the next midterm or presidential election. The war must therefore be either a very short one, all wrapped up before the Democrats execute their predictable turn against it, or slightly longer, but still short enough to keep the support of 55% of the public, most Republicans and most independents too, and the length of the war must not be so long as to cause that support to flee as well.

These are the realistic limitations we face on America's war-making capacity.

Again, it is not "idealistic" or "moral" to pretend these limitations away. Running from reality is like running from any other obstacle: a sign of cowardice (moral, intellectual, and psychological in this case), and not a sign of "idealism" and certainly not a sign of "courage."

Wars are not #Hashtag campaigns, with an almost non-existent cost but a big boost of dopamine for Retweeting Justice. They are not just another venue for Virtue Signalling on Twitter.

I tweeted support of Montenegro on Twitter. Look at what a #Braveheart I am.

Wars have real costs and therefore they have real limitations. We do not do our war-fighters or our fellow Americans any favors by ignoring those limitations and refusing to know ourselves, to know, realistically, what we are willing to do and what we are not willing to do, how long we're willing to fight for and when we're likely to bug out and leave our allies or even our soldiers in the field without support.

I'm not against moralism in foreign policy, but honesty is an important part of morality, and being honest with ourselves about what we're personally willing to do, and what we believe our fellow Americans are willing to do, is a critical part of the candid thinking necessary for a moral, and realistic, foreign policy. One that doesn't start a lot of wars and leave them half-finished.

Wars can be left half-finished, but the dead they leave behind are all-the-way dead. I'd like to avoid more half-finished wars and more all-the-way dead Americans.

And I think an important part of avoiding half-finished, lost wars is admitting that the years between 2003 and 2016 did in fact happen -- they weren't just a bad dream, I assure you -- and we have to heed the lessons that those years taught us.

Or that those years should have taught us, at least.

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1 Holy text!

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 06:39 PM (yJ9Jf)

2
How many divisions does Richard Gere have to liberate Tibet?

Or how many gerbils?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 06:40 PM (VM6ev)

3 Dang. I actually read this too.

Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at July 18, 2018 06:42 PM (vgwv+)

4 I'll call the corgis.

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 06:42 PM (3C9q2)

5 How many stars......?

Posted by: A dude in MI at July 18, 2018 06:42 PM (CDETr)

6
Boss:

I don't necessarily disagree with you and in fact probably agree. That said, what should have been the proper response after 9/11/01 assuming the Iraq War was a mistake? Not making the claim either way, just for the purposes of supposition making that assumption.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 06:43 PM (VM6ev)

7 Oh lort! Ace is on a smart military blog roll.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 18, 2018 06:43 PM (myjNJ)

8 Yay. 6th paragraph from the bottom!

Posted by: Montenegro at July 18, 2018 06:43 PM (HgMAr)

9 Jeebus.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 18, 2018 06:44 PM (89T5c)

10 Well said, Ace!!

Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 06:44 PM (W+vEI)

11 Man, we missed out on sweet contracts during that deal.

Posted by: Military Industrial Complex at July 18, 2018 06:45 PM (r9UYA)

12 Wow.

Must have been a sale on Word Supplements at GNC.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 06:45 PM (Gx74L)

13 I'm not sure I have time to read all that before bed time

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 06:45 PM (pHfeF)

14 let the people who are all in for war go do the fighting and dying...

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 18, 2018 06:45 PM (uS008)

15 Wars kill people, destroy a lot of things.
I have no confidence the current MSM/DNC will allow that to happen in any US war.

Next time they demand war they should be asked: How many enemy deaths, US military deaths, and civilian deaths are acceptable to quench your thirst for war? If they are honest, they'll say "zero."

Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 06:46 PM (W+vEI)

16

Why is it THE Ukraine?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 06:46 PM (90V40)

17 Eu has 4 times the population of Russia.

12 Times the GDP.

Ukraine joining the EU puts this directly onto the Russian border...


Its like if Mexico decided to join China...


Simple question was is it worth the US going to War, over the EU expanding? and how is that in the US interest.

Especially when the EU itself was not willing to take on that fight.

Posted by: Don Q at July 18, 2018 06:46 PM (NgKpN)

18
Why is it THE Bronx?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 06:46 PM (90V40)

19 Much like Radio Free Europe giving the Hungarian Revolt the impression that NATO was going to assist them.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 06:46 PM (gUCYC)

20

Why is it THE Ivory Coast?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 06:46 PM (90V40)

21 I cannot be impartial on this. My son lived with a Ukrainian family for a while, a poor pastor and his wife. Very poor, but they gave him the best they had. He could tell they went without so that he could have.


After the uprising, we lost all touch with them. I don't know if they are alive or dead. They had two small girls and a little plot of land where they were trying to build a church.

I wish we had helped.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:46 PM (lwiT4)

22 16 Why is it THE Ukraine?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 06:46 PM (90V40)


"Beats the shit out of me."

- - Da Bronx

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 06:47 PM (VM6ev)

23 *looks at shelf*

The American Threat: The Fear of War as an Instrument of Foreign Policy by James L. Payne. It was printed in 1970 as we were still stuck in Viet Nam but losing,

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 06:47 PM (TSuBZ)

24 And in conclusion ...

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 06:48 PM (roQNm)

25 Why is it THE Ukraine?





Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 06:46 PM (90V40)



It's not. It's Ukraine.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:48 PM (lwiT4)

26 19 Much like Radio Free Europe giving the Hungarian Revolt the impression that NATO was going to assist them.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 06:46 PM (gUCYC)


And then there was Czechoslovakia in '38. And '68...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 06:48 PM (VM6ev)

27 16 Why is it THE Ukraine?

Sounds more impressive. Like THE Rick Wilson.

Posted by: Under Fire at July 18, 2018 06:48 PM (r9UYA)

28

Why is THE Bee-els?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 06:48 PM (90V40)

29 THE Ukraine is Weak!

Posted by: Kramer at July 18, 2018 06:49 PM (Gx74L)

30 let the people who are all in for war go do the fighting and dying...


Posted by: redc1c4 at July 18, 2018 06:45 PM (uS00



This military mom wishes you had not said that.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:49 PM (lwiT4)

31 One that doesn't start a lot of wars and leave them half-finished.

Shades of the War of 1812. We were lucky that Andrew Jackson won the battle of New Orleans after the Treaty of Ghent had been signed but before the news of the signing got across the Atlantic.

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 06:49 PM (3C9q2)

32 Don't forget Gaylord betraying the Green Revolution in Iran while trying to put a communist in as President of Honduras.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 06:49 PM (TSuBZ)

33 Why is it THE Ohio State?

Posted by: I'll take THE Question for $200, Alex at July 18, 2018 06:49 PM (ctuyM)

34 What ace said.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at July 18, 2018 06:50 PM (hMwEB)

35 "The Ukraine" is what the Russians called it when it was a part of the USSR. Now that it is an independent nation, it is "Ukraine".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 06:50 PM (gUCYC)

36 So....is the movie a thumbs up or thumbs down?
Actually, nice piece, Ace.

Posted by: Super-elite Deplorable Ian Galt, now with sparks of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:50 PM (8iiMU)

37 Why is it THE Ukraine?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 06:46 PM (90V40)


It isn't.

Any more than it is THE Britain. Both are solecisms.

Posted by: Trebuchet Manufacturers Association at July 18, 2018 06:50 PM (ez9Rh)

38 I'm all for WAR.

Not the pussyfooting we've been doing since we dropped the Bomb(s) on Japan.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 06:50 PM (Gx74L)

39 33 Why is it THE Ohio State?
Posted by: I'll take THE Question for $200, Alex at July 18, 2018 06:49 PM (ctuyM)


Because that's what the Russians called it.

Posted by: Trebuchet Manufacturers Association at July 18, 2018 06:50 PM (ez9Rh)

40 >>>I don't necessarily disagree with you and in fact probably agree. That said, what should have been the proper response after 9/11/01 assuming the Iraq War was a mistake? Not making the claim either way, just for the purposes of supposition making that assumption.

Well, here's the thing. Part of this was just an error of fact. We thought they had WMDs. WMDs would be a good reason to go to war.

But they didn't have WMDs.

So I don't know what you do when your logic is fine but the premises you're basing your logic on are simply wrong.

I would say this, though:

The evidence for Iraqi WMDs was shaky and ambiguous, as we later found out.

Bill Clinton saw similar evidence. It wasn't a slam-dunk, as George Tenet claimed. It was suggestive and alarming without being conclusive.

So he attacked Iraq by half-measures. No-Fly Zones, "maintenance bombing," as critics derisively called it.

But given that Bush's own evidence was kind of shaky, did it make sense to commit to a full ground war and full occupation for years and year (though the length of the occupation was longer than I imagine they predicted)?

With the evidence kind of shaky, I could see a case for a more punitive no-fly zone policy and more frequent bombings coupled with attempts to destablilize Iraq and spur an uprising.

We could have just bombed all suspected WMD sites and presidential palaces and all the other places we suspected there might have been WMDs. And then rebombed them. And then bombed them six months later, in case we thought they had started those sites back producing WMDs.

That would have been far less costly a war.



Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 06:50 PM (PA9oZ)

41

What's a solecism?

We have a Rule here: No Making Up Words To Confuse The Morons.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 06:51 PM (90V40)

42 Was there a single US ally or friendly nation that Gaylord did not try and stick a shiv in?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 06:51 PM (TSuBZ)

43 WAR ENSEMBLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqnC54vbUbU


*Here you go, Ace*

Posted by: SLAYER at July 18, 2018 06:51 PM (Gx74L)

44 sock off.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:51 PM (ez9Rh)

45
I have mixed feelings about Ukraine and Russia. Actually, sad to say, very negative feelings towards both. Both are historically anti-semitic, the Ukrainians rabidly so. Between the pogroms and the Einsatzgruppen, everything from Poland to Moscow is a mass grave.

That said, we live in a different time and that demands different attitudes. But old wounds like that never heal.

Meh. Let them beat each other to death for all I care, frankly. Sorry to have to say that but that's the way I feel.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 06:51 PM (VM6ev)

46 Excellent post.

I wish you could include the concept of bluffing as well. As in, bullshitter like Obama thought they could bluff themselves out of stuff.

Well, a bluff is only a good as the bluffer, and Obama must have been the shitiest bluffer I have ever seen.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at July 18, 2018 06:52 PM (ABH6n)

47 We are not blessed with much American exceptionalism at foggy bottom.

Posted by: Sumdumchief at July 18, 2018 06:52 PM (eCASW)

48 >>>Why is it THE Ukraine?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 06:46 PM (90V40)

It isn't.

Any more than it is THE Britain. Both are solecisms.

...

yeah, it was common to say THE Ukraine, but then Ukrainians started telling us that that wasn't the way to refer to it.

I think RUSSIANS might have said "THE Ukraine," like they might say "those grasslands to our southwest which we are free to colonize." Like it's a patch of land for exploitation rather than a country.

Anyway, Ukrainians prefer just "Ukraine."

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 06:52 PM (PA9oZ)

49 Washington advised us to avoid foreign entanglements. That was good advice.

Oh and by the way, the opposite of globalism.

Posted by: Caliban at July 18, 2018 06:52 PM (QE8X6)

50 Great tune.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 18, 2018 06:52 PM (89T5c)

51 Why is it THE Ukraine

-----------------


The map was done by a The Ohio State University grad.

Posted by: RioBravo at July 18, 2018 06:53 PM (0BFUD)

52 This is very well stated indeed.

I admit, somewhat to my shame, that I was all in on transforming Iraq because who doesn't want freedom? Well. I forgot that human nature is ever so and what is more powerful than the thirst for freedom is the tribal call to destroy the other tribe.

I was wrong.

I was wrong and it still burns to admit that and you think I would have remembered what we did to the Kurds and yet I was blinded by idealism.

Now? Now I want to know what, exactly, is the American interest being protected and what, in at least vague outlines, are the victory conditions before any other American sheds a single drop of blood.

I want to know why we have fathers and sons on patrol together in Afghanistan.

We are back again to honesty. And the American public needs to be honest with itself that it will not tolerate total war. Well, if you're not willing to utterly destroy the enemy, then you shouldn't be in the fight at all.

That may make me sound like a pacifist, which I am not, but it does put me in the hardcore realist camp. Because, you see, American troops can win a war in six months. It's just that the American public would lose their minds at what it would take to do so.

We are a nation of petulant children and we are being ruled by those who we have chosen to recognize as much.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 06:53 PM (dEQP3)

53 It's a little weird that the Ukraine is separate from Russia. The historical origins of Russia were in Kiev. I'm not even sure why they speak different languages. I'll have to look that up. The Kiev Rus eventually made the Duchy of Moscow their capital, but it's weird they separate themselves.

Posted by: dagny at July 18, 2018 06:53 PM (nRWPy)

54 IOW integrity.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at July 18, 2018 06:53 PM (hMwEB)

55 >>>. Both are historically anti-semitic, the Ukrainians rabidly so.

True dat.

But the Russians were/are just as anti-semitic.

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 06:53 PM (PA9oZ)

56 Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:48 PM (lwiT4)

(Only a little OT): Hey grammie-- Any thoughts on a realistic policy for the NL to start winning All-Star games?

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 06:53 PM (3C9q2)

57 We're going to have to build another shelf to archive this beast.

Posted by: Fritz at July 18, 2018 06:53 PM (RfYYV)

58 Russian took over the Ukraine in the 1930's right after the Holodomor which they wiped out large portions of the population and replaced them with ethnic Russians

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 06:53 PM (pHfeF)

59 and the Ukraine girls with the way they kiss

they keep their boyfriends warm at night.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 06:54 PM (QLvwG)

60 When Little Winger lived in Ukraine, he said you could just walk down the lane and pick peaches and apples and plums and all kinds of fruit, everywhere for the taking. And yet they were starved at one point, no?

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:54 PM (lwiT4)

61 >>Washington advised us to avoid foreign entanglements. That was good advice.



Oh and by the way, the opposite of globalism.

You shut your whore mouth.

Posted by: Military Industrial Complex at July 18, 2018 06:54 PM (r9UYA)

62 40 Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 06:50 PM (PA9oZ)

And that is how my position has evolved as well.

I do agree though that we should never ever go to war unless we are willing to use overwhelming and extreme force, have no rules of engagement whatsoever and if an occupation is called for, it's done so absolutely ruthlessly so that there is not even a hint of an insurrection.

I knew we were screwed when I heard the phrase "War on TERROR."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 06:54 PM (VM6ev)

63 Any thoughts on a realistic policy for the NL to start winning All-Star games?

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 06:53 PM (3C9q2)



Castor oil. Works every time. Surprised they haven't gone to it before.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:55 PM (lwiT4)

64 I think RUSSIANS might have said "THE Ukraine"

Yeah, about that.

There are no articles in Russian, whether definite or indefinite.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:55 PM (ez9Rh)

65
Very old: Did Saddam Hussein have WMDs?

Old: Was barack obama born in the USA?

Kinda new: Was only 'one side' to blame for the Charlottesville riots?

New: Did Russia interfere with the 2016 election?

These are *test* questions the Fake News asks, for which there is only 1 correct answer. Answer incorrectly and there'll be hell to pay.




Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 06:55 PM (90V40)

66 Empress, we never left Afghanistan. Gaylord kept us there in just enough strength to not be mocked. While abandoning any support of Baghdad and thus allowing VagISIL to metastasize.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 06:55 PM (TSuBZ)

67 Dems be tweeting checks all over the place that their sorry asses can't cash.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at July 18, 2018 06:55 PM (hMwEB)

68 >>Great tune.


The Best, Jerry!

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 06:55 PM (Gx74L)

69 Who dots the I in Ukraine?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 18, 2018 06:55 PM (89T5c)

70 Also Russia is a poor country with a shrinking population--but a very big nuclear arsenal. Common sense dictates that we avoid the kind of saber-rattling McCain and his moralist friends wanted to see in Helsinki.

Posted by: Caliban at July 18, 2018 06:56 PM (QE8X6)

71 Just to let you know our State Department if full of nuts. Just sayin.

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 18, 2018 06:56 PM (vV/gB)

72 Is there victory in Afghanistan yet?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 06:56 PM (IqV8l)

73 This Ace fellow just does not understand Smart Diplomacy.

Posted by: Hillary at July 18, 2018 06:56 PM (/lkI0)

74 60 When Little Winger lived in Ukraine, he said you could just walk down the lane and pick peaches and apples and plums and all kinds of fruit, everywhere for the taking. And yet they were starved at one point, no?
Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:54 PM (lwiT4)


Thanks to the Yagoda's NKVD confiscating all the food and sealing off the country, yes.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:57 PM (ez9Rh)

75 Why is it THE Ohio State?

Same reason that it's THE Johns Hopkins University, THE Rockefeller University, and THE New York Times (according to CMOS and the AP stylebook, anyway).

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 06:57 PM (3C9q2)

76 Bush scheduled the vote for the Iraq war to Oct just before the election. He knew all the Democrats who opposed the war would vote for it in Oct. And after the Nov elections they all came out against it and objected to everything the US was doing..

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 18, 2018 06:57 PM (mpXpK)

77 74 60 When Little Winger lived in Ukraine, he said you could just walk down the lane and pick peaches and apples and plums and all kinds of fruit, everywhere for the taking. And yet they were starved at one point, no?
Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:54 PM (lwiT4)

Thanks to the Yagoda's NKVD confiscating all the food and sealing off the country, yes.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:57 PM (ez9Rh)


More Yoda. Less Yagoda.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 06:57 PM (VM6ev)

78 Washington advised us to avoid foreign entanglements. That was good advice.

Oh and by the way, the opposite of globalism.


Might be worth remembering that when he said that 1) there were a lot of people trying to get us to declare war on Britain again on behalf of Revolutionary France, so he was talking about a specific issue and 2) Washington himself had launched military expeditions (without a declaration of war, incidentally) into the Ohio country against the Northwest Confederacy.

Washington was an aggressive expansionist, just not against Europeans.

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 18, 2018 06:57 PM (bZ7mE)

79 Bertram well before the Russians took Kabul in 1979 and Carter did nothing, Afghanistan was pretty forgotten by the world.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 06:58 PM (TSuBZ)

80 Oh yeah, back to the artical, only 1/2 done

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 06:58 PM (pHfeF)

81 What AtC said. If there has to be a war then go with the power to win it . That's what military might does. This don't shoot until they shoot at you, is utter bullshit.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 06:58 PM (8T7EF)

82 Lead From Behind

Posted by: Our Very Worst President at July 18, 2018 06:58 PM (UiRxW)

83 >> Russia is a poor country with a shrinking population--but a very big nuclear arsenal.


Soviet Bombs.

Old. Soviet. Bombs.


If 1 in 7 worked, I'd eat The Ukraine.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 06:58 PM (Gx74L)

84 grammie, good to see you back. I hope you're tanned, rested, and ready, because there's a Commenter that has sampled spicy kimchi, and is ready to take that step through the gateway.

As the official Lutefisk Ambassador to The Horde, it was suggested that you were the person best able to guide their descent.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 18, 2018 06:58 PM (ctuyM)

85 I have mixed feelings about Ukraine and Russia. Actually, sad to say, very negative feelings towards both. Both are historically anti-semitic, the Ukrainians rabidly so. Between the pogroms and the Einsatzgruppen, everything from Poland to Moscow is a mass grave.

That said, we live in a different time and that demands different attitudes. But old wounds like that never heal.

Meh. Let them beat each other to death for all I care, frankly. Sorry to have to say that but that's the way I feel.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 06:51 PM (VM6ev)


OTOH, see this: https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:58 PM (ez9Rh)

86
Yeah, so "Did Russia meddle in the election?" is the new "Was obama born in the USA?"

It's now a question the Fake News MUST ask all Republicans.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 06:58 PM (90V40)

87 All well said, Ace.

Jeepers, if there's one thing that the government of this country lacks, and needs a whole lot of, it is honesty.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at July 18, 2018 06:59 PM (yN/cP)

88 well said, Ace

g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 18, 2018 06:59 PM (KCxzN)

89 40 the Iraqis certainly possessed WMD during the Iran Iraq war. Chemicals caused lots of battlefield casualties for both sides.

Iran should have been the target set after the initial push on the taliban, imho.

Posted by: Sumdumchief at July 18, 2018 06:59 PM (eCASW)

90 Every fucking poppy field in Afghanistan should have been burned and salted on day one.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 07:00 PM (8T7EF)

91 More plums, I cannot eat. Awful squirts, I have.

Posted by: Yoda at July 18, 2018 07:00 PM (89T5c)

92 Alex, how are you doing? How's the family? How's Cochran?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 07:00 PM (gUCYC)

93 Alexthechick I agree with you. Grammie, re: the NL winning the All-Star Game, I also agree.

Posted by: iwuzhere at July 18, 2018 07:00 PM (ijopM)

94
Leave The Bronx

https://youtu.be/1y8SvVoo3P8

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 07:00 PM (IqV8l)

95
Nobody asks how Russia "helped Trump" by promoting the EXACT same things as the Democrat party.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 07:01 PM (90V40)

96 An interesting cold war Ukrainian refugee
story is none other than...Milla Jovavich.

And why is it The Sudan?

Posted by: Gooshy at July 18, 2018 07:01 PM (Xc4zk)

97 War is like baseball or old school football, you play to win. You don't play not to lose which is what LBJ did in Viet Nam.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 07:01 PM (TSuBZ)

98 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 06:51 PM (VM6ev)

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Yeah it's weird. My mom's side is Litvak, my dad's is Russian. Foot in both worlds.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 07:01 PM (UiRxW)

99

And why is it The Sudan?


So it's not confused with the coupe?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 07:02 PM (90V40)

100 When we introduced the notion of Collateral Damage, we took all the effectiveness (and some may argue, the fun) out of War.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:02 PM (Gx74L)

101 *waves to Eris*

I'm actually fighting a migraine and losing. I bailed on work around 12:30 and have been vaguely watching tennis the rest of the day.

Family is well, thank you for asking.

Cochran's gills are coming in nicely though he is still in denial that he's mutating and turning into Aqua Boy.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 07:02 PM (dEQP3)

102 I may go to war over England - not Ukraine.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2018 07:02 PM (JMdJG)

103 62
I knew we were screwed when I heard the phrase "War on TERROR."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 06:54 PM (VM6ev)


That and also allowing Iraq and Afghanistan to recognize sharia law in their constitutions. We should have put our foot down and said, "No way."

Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 07:02 PM (sdi6R)

104 More plums, I cannot eat. Awful squirts, I have.
Posted by: Yoda at July 18, 2018 07:00 PM


But now you flush with the knowledge that THE plumming works.

Posted by: Obi Juan Sonobi at July 18, 2018 07:02 PM (ctuyM)

105
... the democrats and the republicans will never agree on anything, and the democrats will knife you in the back every chance they get.

Every eight years, sometimes on the odd four year election, you get a new president, and every two years you get a new congress. The US Government is not to be trusted.

And then there is the news media, a house organ of the democrat party, and academia - infiltrated and brainwashed by Marxist-Leninism. And Hollywood.

Meanwhile, the people are busy trying to make payments on their obligations while others are trying to con more money out of anyone gullible enough to listen to the con.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 07:03 PM (roQNm)

106 Here's the thing about Us being the World Police ...

... unless you draft Us - we're just not that interested.

And I think that's a Good Thing. And President's should talk much, much less when it comes to International Treaties and such.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 07:03 PM (fiGNd)

107 85 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:58 PM (ez9Rh)


Yes, but that does not negate or mitigate my comment. Some of the worst anti-semites were born Jews. Yagoda's religion at birth does not implicate his erstwhile coreligionists in anything. I honestly hate that kind of equivocation. Or people equating Communism/Socialism with Judaism and ALL Jews.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:03 PM (VM6ev)

108 I'd like a few of those Euromaidens.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 18, 2018 07:03 PM (NWiLs)

109 As the official Lutefisk Ambassador to The Horde, it was suggested that you were the person best able to guide their descent.

I don't think grammie puts carrots in chili, though.

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 07:03 PM (3C9q2)

110 Cochran's gills are coming in nicely though he is still in denial that he's mutating and turning into Aqua Boy.
Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 07:02 PM (dEQP3)
---

*sigh*

The lamest superhero.

Hey, have you seen the new Ant-Man? It's good, like a PG Deadpool.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 07:03 PM (gUCYC)

111 "62 40 Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 06:50 PM (PA9oZ)

And that is how my position has evolved as well.

I do agree though that we should never ever go to war unless we are willing to use overwhelming and extreme force, have no rules of engagement whatsoever and if an occupation is called for, it's done so absolutely ruthlessly so that there is not even a hint of an insurrection.

I knew we were screwed when I heard the phrase "War on TERROR."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 06:54 PM (VM6ev)"



This.

And start by going back to "War Department" instead of "Defense".
Words have meanings.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at July 18, 2018 07:04 PM (yN/cP)

112 The sad truth is also that large parts of the Ukraine, and Kazakhstan for that matter, are chock full of RUSSIANS. I suppose we COULD make security guarantees to a Ukraine with adjusted borders, but otherwise heck no. And even then, is it worth it to risk American boys (and now girls)?

And no, the Crimea is not the Sudetenland.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:04 PM (ujg0T)

113 I think Trump has honesty. Beyond that I don't know what to say.

I was ambivalent about going into Iraq. We should have just left when Sadam was crooked necked.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:04 PM (+lOpA)

114 I'm sure the courageous Victoria Neuland and Obama consulted with their magnificent genius INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES as to the likelihood of Putin responding with force, and those towering, never-wrong intellects SURELY confided that Putin was way too afraid of Barack the Lightgiver to ever launch a campaign of mercenaries and Special Forces.
And those intelligence agencies are the same infallible giants who are outraged at Trump today questioning their infallibility. So which was it?

Did they wrongly advise Obama Neuland, or did those worthies IGNORE their advice? Which is what they're whining about Trump doing today.
This is some great historical shyte that for some reason our MediaLeaders have totally forgotten.
Huh.


Posted by: JewishOdysseus at July 18, 2018 07:04 PM (+O9YB)

115 And why is it The Sudan?



So it's not confused with the coupe?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 07:02 PM (90V40)

Or The Settee
Or The Vestibule

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 07:04 PM (QLvwG)

116 Who is this Bill Browder character?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:04 PM (PUmDY)

117 You left out that America instigated the Ukrainian coup that ousted Yanukovych. Victoria Nuland was caught on tape discussing the new cabinet members even before this 'indigenous' coup started.

Posted by: MikeN at July 18, 2018 07:04 PM (o/eHL)

118 There's about as much chance Trump takes any direction from Putin as that he would fuck an ugly woman.

Posted by: Smashing the Golden Calf at July 18, 2018 07:04 PM (WPxnj)

119 I knew a young family on that flight, she was Malaysian and her husband dutch. They had a baby boy and they were going home to Malaysia after taking the baby to visit his grandparents in holland. Not only their lives were destroyed but so we the lives of their parents. Barack Obama's feckless policies should earn him a spot in hell.

Posted by: IC at July 18, 2018 07:04 PM (PEJUg)

120 Aqua Lad? So sea cucumbers in the chili next?

Get to feeling better Empress.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 07:04 PM (TSuBZ)

121 102 I may go to war over England - not Ukraine.
Posted by: SH at July 18, 2018 07:02 PM (JMdJG)
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Personally, I want a review of Five Eyes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 07:04 PM (gUCYC)

122 This is a country no longer able to wage war, even in its own self interest, let alone for moral interest. The book on how to defeat us is out.

This is not good for the world.

(BTW. One of my favorite things you've written, Ace.)

Posted by: Tommy V at July 18, 2018 07:05 PM (2waO2)

123 THE Ottoman.

Posted by: THE Man on at July 18, 2018 07:05 PM (ctuyM)

124 111 And start by going back to "War Department" instead of "Defense".
Words have meanings.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at July 18, 2018 07:04 PM (yN/cP)


Dubya also gave us "the religion of peace." That was unforgivable.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:05 PM (VM6ev)

125 There's about as much chance Trump takes any direction from Putin as that he would fuck an ugly woman.

Well, he schlonged ME!

Posted by: Hillary! at July 18, 2018 07:05 PM (oVJmc)

126 Ace -

From a "from the beginning" lurker & v/rare commenter:

This is very good (~+2sd).

Insty linkworthy IMHO.

Posted by: phaedrus at July 18, 2018 07:05 PM (XGkeM)

127 This. And start by going back to "War Department" instead of "Defense". Words have meanings.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at July 18, 2018 07:04 PM (yN/cP)


I miss being the cuck ... before cuck was a word ... for saying crazy shit like Get A Declaration Of War.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 07:05 PM (fiGNd)

128 This obsession with all things Russia...does the left think this will get people to the polls?

Posted by: Max Power at July 18, 2018 07:06 PM (q177U)

129 >>I was ambivalent about going into Iraq. We should have just left when Sadam was crooked necked.


First we should have carved a nation out for The Kurds.

Then we should have killed every Imam in the Country.

Then we should have left. For Tehran.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:06 PM (Gx74L)

130
Shrub Bush also gave us obama.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 07:06 PM (90V40)

131 I think what Ace is saying is that leftist nitwits always f#ck stuff up but some are worse than others.

Posted by: The chicken at July 18, 2018 07:06 PM (UdKB7)

132 I'm sorry Mr. Spades, but your book manuscript about Ukraine was far too long, and needs to be trimmed to keep it under 300 pages for us to consider publishing it.

Posted by: Random House at July 18, 2018 07:06 PM (c+2jX)

133 Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 07:03 PM (roQNm)


Yes. This country does not have the wherewithal to conduct a long war.

For the reasons you state.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:06 PM (+lOpA)

134 Any Republican President that has to go to war better have a rock solid plan to have that war over and done in the course of his presidency.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 07:06 PM (8T7EF)

135 >>>81 What AtC said. If there has to be a war then go with the power to win it . That's what military might does. This don't shoot until they shoot at you, is utter bullshit.
Posted by: Ben Had

I think that's only part of it. Realistically, the lower your direct interest in a war is, the lower will be not just your willingness to accept casualties, but to inflict them as well.

Like, yeah, you could win a war by just MOAB-ing civilian centers but you'd have to be REALLY committed to the outcome of the war to do that.

I think we're claiming we're going to "fight wars" in a bunch of places where our actual interest is pretty low and that's going to dictate not just how much we're willing to die but how much we're willing to kill.

It's SOP for most forces fighting us to hide among civilians. How many innocent civilians are we willing to kill?

Depends on the situation. But where we've gone to war to "liberate the Iraqi people," for example, it's hard to wrap one's head around the idea of blowing up civilian centers just to get at the terrorists hiding among them.

I mean, yes, you're partly right. But only partly. We just can't go Full Brutal in all of these places, given that our actual interest in even being in the fight at all is often kind of on the low side.


Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 07:06 PM (PA9oZ)

136 Russian politicos like "The Ukraine" because it makes Ukraine sound like a Russian province. "Ukraine" is the standalone name. Moral of the story: Don't bet against Grammie Winger!

Posted by: PaddyBeaner at July 18, 2018 07:06 PM (jlmBM)

137 Ace, exactly.

Lesson learned, never give up your nukes, make them pry them from your cold (or really hot) dead fingers.

Posted by: Jean at July 18, 2018 07:07 PM (is8Cu)

138 Shrub Bush also gave us obama.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 07:06 PM (90V40)

I think of him as my greatest achievement as President.

Posted by: Dubya at July 18, 2018 07:07 PM (j6XEO)

139 Hey, have you seen the new Ant-Man? It's good, like a PG Deadpool.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 07:03 PM (gUCYC)


I have not yet but I shall have to do so.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 07:07 PM (dEQP3)

140 I'm guessing Jonathan Lemire the AP reporter who dropped the Are you still beating your wife question to President Trump is quite the toast of the town, probably hasn't had to by a drink or meal since then.

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 07:07 PM (pHfeF)

141 >>>130
Shrub Bush also gave us obama.
Posted by: Soothsayer

i was talking about this with a smart, principled neocon friend and I brought that up at the end of our discussion/pleasant argument and he could only shrug and say "I guess that's hard to dispute."

That was a real cost to the Iraq War, too, above and beyond the conventional measures of cost.

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 07:08 PM (PA9oZ)

142 >>Soviet Bombs.
Old. Soviet. Bombs.
If 1 in 7 worked, I'd eat The Ukraine.
Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 06:58 PM (Gx74L)

If 1 in 7 works, you won't have to.

Posted by: Caliban at July 18, 2018 07:08 PM (QE8X6)

143 I don't necessarily disagree with you and in fact probably agree. That
said, what should have been the proper response after 9/11/01 assuming
the Iraq War was a mistake?

The proper realistic, and moralistic response to 9/11 was to send B-52s with megaton level nukes to air burst carpet bomb Afghanistan until there wasn't so much as a fucking cockroach crawling around alive. Then go to the UN and ask, "Now, are there any questions or any smart ass remarks?" Then explain: "Every time there was another Islamic terrorist attack any where in the world, that another Islamic country would disappear, and that would be repeated until there were no more terrorist attacks or no more Islamic countries - which ever comes first."



Posted by: An Observation at July 18, 2018 07:08 PM (pCa05)

144 >>108
I'd like a few of those Euromaidens.

Oktoberfest is right around the corner ya?


Posted by: Under Fire at July 18, 2018 07:08 PM (r9UYA)

145 So Ace reviewed a movie about the Ukraine?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:08 PM (Zmczq)

146 This is all very true and well presented.

I think the obama approach had additional problems. There was no cost to Russia for their invasion. As there was no cost for the invasion of Georgia. Likewise, there was no cost for the Cole regarding another adversary and another region. And there was no cost for the Hainan Island incident, or later, the south china sea in general.

When there is no cost. No cost at all for these transgressions you can expect more of them.

So talking tough and acting weak is one problem, acting weak is a problem in and of itself. To be clear, I am not (nor have I ever been) a neocon. I am not advocating war, or proxy war with china or russia.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at July 18, 2018 07:08 PM (LWu6U)

147 As a rule, fight wars in places that have hot chicks, good food, and a mean IQ at or about 100. One other biggie, don't be the first to join a war, but rather, be the last one and bring the big.

Rules for War by Puddin Head

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 18, 2018 07:08 PM (vV/gB)

148 48 >>>Why is it THE Ukraine?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 06:46 PM (90V40)

It isn't.

Any more than it is THE Britain. Both are solecisms.

...

yeah, it was common to say THE Ukraine, but then Ukrainians started telling us that that wasn't the way to refer to it.

I think RUSSIANS might have said "THE Ukraine," like they might say "those grasslands to our southwest which we are free to colonize." Like it's a patch of land for exploitation rather than a country.

Anyway, Ukrainians prefer just "Ukraine."

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 06:52 PM (PA9oZ)


In fairness, it is VERY common to say "The USA" and "The UK", so "The Ukraine", may just be a sloppy Anglophone habit.

Of course, we would not say The America or The Britain, but there is no alliteration with those.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:08 PM (ujg0T)

149 I can understand the desire to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible. However it seems stupid to say no civilian casualties ever is the only acceptable path. War is hell, people die, and the U.S. tries to minimize that. We cannot fight a war with our hands tied. That just gets our military killed.
Maybe I'm a bad person for this but I would rather sacrifice their civilians instead of our military.

Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 18, 2018 07:09 PM (myjNJ)

150 Yes but Obama brought trump.

Posted by: SH at July 18, 2018 07:09 PM (JMdJG)

151 Set The Divan down over there in the corner of The Veranda.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 07:09 PM (QLvwG)

152 Amen, Ben Had @ 134. Amen. George H.W. didn't go the distance, and George W. had a lot of desire, but he didn't finish the job, either. and clintoon and ubama both stabbed our military and America in the back.

Posted by: Eromero at July 18, 2018 07:10 PM (zLDYs)

153 From the veranda can you see the larch?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 07:10 PM (TSuBZ)

154 Yes, but that does not negate or mitigate my comment. Some of the worst anti-semites were born Jews. Yagoda's religion at birth does not implicate his erstwhile coreligionists in anything. I honestly hate that kind of equivocation. Or people equating Communism/Socialism with Judaism and ALL Jews.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:03 PM (VM6ev)


No, it doesn't, and I wasn't doing any such equation, but I think you know that, and of course the article is from the Israeli press.

Ukrainians have indeed historically been virulently anti-Semitic, and have a long and despicable history of atrocities. Having said that, as the article suggests, their identification by Ukrainians with implementation of the Holodomor - regardless of the fairness of doing that - pretty much guaranteed a lot of Ukrainian enmity a mere ten years after millions had been starved.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:10 PM (ez9Rh)

155 "Let them beat each other to death for all I care, frankly. "

Not our problem. Lazy fair and all that.

Posted by: The chicken at July 18, 2018 07:10 PM (UdKB7)

156 Russia dealt with Ukraine - a troublesome, oft traitorous sub-state in their way. The American way allows California. Messy but the latter is preferable.

Posted by: rammajamma at July 18, 2018 07:10 PM (xceTB)

157
Speaking of THE Ivory Coast, a French colony...

The unfunny and ignorant Noah Trevor congratulated Africa for winning the World Cup because all of France's players were, in his opinion, dark, thus Africans not "French."

Which many people quickly pointed out that's like someone congratulating Africa when THE Golden State Warriors won the NBA championship.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 07:10 PM (90V40)

158 It also needs to be said that Russia did not just treat Ukraine badly, it genocided them.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at July 18, 2018 07:10 PM (LWu6U)

159 Sorry no, the 2013 thing was a US coup against a thoroughly corrupt but validly democratically elected government.

You are right about the moralism but insufficiently cynical. It is 100% fake. They are monsters who are killing and displacing millions and millions in order to arrive at the end of history (conservatives used to be against this).

Not a fan of the Russian government but the far bigger threat to peace is our own. We are the international revolutionary power, with no compunction about killing and displacing populations to spread freedom and democracy (that is, corporate rule and gay pride parades). I love our country but "we" - the neocons and liberal establishment - are the problem.

Posted by: Jihadi at July 18, 2018 07:10 PM (blf2l)

160 >>143
The proper realistic, and
moralistic response to 9/11 was to send B-52s with megaton level nukes
to air burst carpet bomb Afghanistan until there wasn't so much as a
fucking cockroach crawling around alive. Then go to the UN and ask,
"Now, are there any questions or any smart ass remarks?" Then explain:
"Every time there was another Islamic terrorist attack any where in the
world, that another Islamic country would disappear, and that would be
repeated until there were no more terrorist attacks or no more Islamic
countries - which ever comes first."



Posted by: An Observation

Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

Posted by: Under Fire at July 18, 2018 07:10 PM (r9UYA)

161 151 Set The Divan down over there in the corner of The Veranda.
Posted by: Count de Monet


I prefer to stay over here on my comfortable settee.

Posted by: obscure punk lyrics reference at July 18, 2018 07:11 PM (c+2jX)

162 Meh, you lost me early on.
Neocons?
Morality?

You either have very different definitions for one or both of those words or still don't understand what the neocons are all about.

Posted by: teej at July 18, 2018 07:11 PM (Z7oqE)

163 149 I can understand the desire to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible. However it seems stupid to say no civilian casualties ever is the only acceptable path. War is hell, people die, and the U.S. tries to minimize that. We cannot fight a war with our hands tied. That just gets our military killed.
Maybe I'm a bad person for this but I would rather sacrifice their civilians instead of our military.
-----------------
The British would never send their men into French/Dutch towns and cities to clean out the Germans. They would just bring up the artillery and pound the place. The reason was they had lost so many in WWI they were not going to lose lives to save real estate values. The Americans did the opposite.

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 18, 2018 07:11 PM (vV/gB)

164 Didn't read the whole thing... haven't read the comments.

While I understand the point you're trying to make...

It's unfortunately not also realistic to expect that we can surrender the rest of the world to the authoritarian states and still expect to keep our independence ourselves in any reasonable fashion. I'm currently thinking of all the states in Asia and whatnot we've surrendered to the Russians/Chinese/the-rest-of-that-damn-mafia.

For instance, in this hemisphere, Venezuela and Nicaragua (where they're shooting people now).

I don't think we can do much to help Ukraine now, Barack The Putrescent spent the Golden Hour when we could have forestalled a conflict examining his manicure and thinking that He Won, and instead of preparing for an upcoming Golden Hour Hillary spent a lot of treasure and energy betraying the former Soviet client who trusted us and gave up his nuclear program. (I refer, of course, to Kadaffy. If you told me in 1985 that I'd regret his death like this... well, damn. I'm speechless).

All these people pissed away a million golden hours and now they want to be born-again cold warriors, like we can go down to the Goodwill and get our credibility back for a cheap price and maybe wipe it down with bleach.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 18, 2018 07:11 PM (87ijN)

165 Too true, JJS.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at July 18, 2018 07:11 PM (yN/cP)

166 This is a country no longer able to wage war, even in its own self interest, let alone for moral interest. The book on how to defeat us is out.

This is not good for the world.

(BTW. One of my favorite things you've written, Ace.)
Posted by: Tommy V at July 18, 2018 07:05 PM (2waO2)


Oh No ... staying home is EXACTLY what the world has needed - since USSR Collapse +1.

We refuse to let the world suffer. And there is no reason to take that position anymore.

We are a Global Enabler.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 07:11 PM (fiGNd)

167 Also, there was that Russian-Ukrainian treaty, guaranteed by the USA and the UK, where Russia and the Ukraine guaranteed each other frontiers in exchange of the Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons. Putin treated that treaty as a piece of (toilet) paper (where have I heard that before).


The whole situation stinks. "Polish corridor" stinks.
For Russia 'might makes right' is seen as acceptable. Just like it did in 1939 when they carved up Poland together with Germany.

It makes me realize more and more that compared to the after war Western super-Chamberlains and the present day Chamberlains the real Chamberlain wasn't all that bad.

Posted by: PhilD at July 18, 2018 07:12 PM (9kc5y)

168 The unfunny and ignorant Noah Trevor congratulated Africa for winning the World Cup because all of France's players were, in his opinion, dark, thus Africans not "French."

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 07:10 PM (90V40)

Trevor Noah sounds a bit racist, if you ask me.

Posted by: Surfperch at July 18, 2018 07:12 PM (j6XEO)

169
Dubya also gave us "the religion of peace." That was unforgivable.

I think Ace meant to paste ^^ this 'ment by JJ, not mine.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 07:12 PM (90V40)

170 THE AoSHQ.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:12 PM (+lOpA)

171 Ace, your description a few weeks back that (IIRC) there is no news reporting anymore, only daily MediaOps by prog activists--that was BEYOND BRILLIANT. In a league with the superb "FailureTheatre" analysis of 2015!!

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at July 18, 2018 07:12 PM (+O9YB)

172 It doesn't make Trump's comments less fumbly.

You could just put a sticky at the top of this blog "...but Democrats would fuck it up worse." True enough.

Posted by: Dr. Spaceman at July 18, 2018 07:12 PM (HCeK1)

173 The only way to "win" the Iraq war was to follow the empire model of Rome and Britain and be ready and willing to establish a permanent garrison there. This country doesn't have the stomach for stabilizing the world, no matter how worthy the objective might be.

Posted by: Caliban at July 18, 2018 07:12 PM (QE8X6)

174 Which many people quickly pointed out that's like someone congratulating Africa when THE Golden State Warriors won the NBA championship.
Posted by: Soothsayer


Half the "black" members of the Warriors had white mothers who raised them. Sorta like, some guy, forget his name exactly.

Posted by: obscure punk lyrics reference at July 18, 2018 07:13 PM (c+2jX)

175 149
We cannot fight a war with our hands tied. That just gets our military killed.
Maybe I'm a bad person for this but I would rather sacrifice their civilians instead of our military.
Posted by: madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 18, 2018 07:09 PM (myjNJ)


No, you're not a bad person. That used to be a no-brainer.

Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 07:13 PM (sdi6R)

176 58 Russian took over the Ukraine in the 1930's right after the Holodomor which they wiped out large portions of the population and replaced them with ethnic Russians
Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 06:53 PM (pHfeF)



I get that. However, is the USA going to try to restore "East Prussia", or the part of Poland the Soviets stole and forcibly removed Poles from, as well?

It has been 70 odd years.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:13 PM (ujg0T)

177 A quick point I'd like to make: Russia isn't really the Soviet Union anymore. It's really just China's largest and most capable client state. Maybe we could peel them off, maybe we couldn't... I dunno.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 18, 2018 07:13 PM (87ijN)

178 Newsletter AnOb?

Posted by: f'd at July 18, 2018 07:13 PM (UdKB7)

179 And start by going back to "War Department" instead of "Defense".
Words have meanings.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at July 18, 2018 07:04 PM (yN/cP)


I agree. "War Department" is honest and straightforward.

"Defense Department" sounds weak and disingenuous.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:13 PM (ez9Rh)

180 Thought it was duvet. What is a divan?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:13 PM (PUmDY)

181 I have a credenza on my lanai.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:13 PM (+lOpA)

182 Not a fan of the Russian government but the far bigger threat to peace is our own. We are the international revolutionary power, with no compunction about killing and displacing populations to spread freedom and democracy (that is, corporate rule and gay pride parades). I love our country but "we" - the neocons and liberal establishment - are the problem.
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You are talking about our NeoCon Nepots. You will find very few of them actually carrying a rifle. They seem to command their armies from a laptop and when things go bad for them they find themselves employed with National Review until things blow over.

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 18, 2018 07:14 PM (vV/gB)

183 fight wars in places that have hot chicks, good food, and a mean IQ at or about 100.

Which is why it was stupid for us to invade Quebec in 1812. Unless you really really like poutine.

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 07:14 PM (3C9q2)

184
One could say Noah Trevor was implying that France "cucked" out their soccer team to Africa so they'd win.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 07:14 PM (90V40)

185 Knoll is how I roll

Posted by: REDACTED at July 18, 2018 07:14 PM (TdS5t)

186 155 "Let them beat each other to death for all I care, frankly. "

Not our problem. Lazy fair and all that.
Posted by: The chicken at July 18, 2018 07:10 PM (UdKB7)


"Have we got a place for you!"

- - Kiev

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:14 PM (VM6ev)

187 172 God find us the person that could make cogent sense of the geopolitics of Russia/US over the past 70 years in the context of the howling and uneducated liberal mob.

Posted by: rammajamma at July 18, 2018 07:14 PM (xceTB)

188 And the whole "reset" policy was just another word for "amnesty".

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at July 18, 2018 07:14 PM (LWu6U)

189
How many wars has Europe had?
Starting with the Greeks and Romans.

Europe has always been at war, starting with the Romans and the Greeks. And the Huns, and the Francs, and the Saxons, and the Carthenigans, and the Moors, and the ...

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 07:15 PM (roQNm)

190 Also, there was that Russian-Ukrainian treaty, guaranteed by the USA and the UK, where Russia and the Ukraine guaranteed each other frontiers in exchange of the Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons. Putin treated that treaty as a piece of (toilet) paper (where have I heard that before).

This.

The Ukies were insane to take that treaty any more seriously than Putin did.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:15 PM (ez9Rh)

191 I keep my oboe in my highboy.

(15 quatloos to the first person who understands why that's funny.)

Posted by: obscure punk lyrics reference at July 18, 2018 07:15 PM (c+2jX)

192

btw, who gave the defunct Soviet Union billions in startup cash when they changed their name to the Russian Federation?

THE USA, was it not?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 07:16 PM (90V40)

193 Off "obscure punk lyrics reference" sock!

Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 07:16 PM (c+2jX)

194 As I wrote above Russia took over Ukraine by population in the 1930's by replacing the native population. So many ' Ukrainians ' were more than happy when Russia recently invaded.

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 07:16 PM (pHfeF)

195 180 Thought it was duvet. What is a divan?
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:13 PM (PUmDY)

A divan is a sitting piece while a duvet is a cover of some other bedding

Posted by: REDACTED at July 18, 2018 07:17 PM (TdS5t)

196 90 Every fucking poppy field in Afghanistan should have been burned and salted on day one.

===

See, this is what got the Neocons in trouble. The assumption that solution is _obvious_ and that we need to just _try_ harder and we can bend entire nations to our will.

Burn the poppies. Fentanyl just got that much more valuable.

How much agent orange do we dump on a country before we realize it's just not worth a damn to care?

Posted by: Dr. Spaceman at July 18, 2018 07:17 PM (HCeK1)

197

I don't think I could name a single "punk" band or song.

Ramones??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 07:17 PM (90V40)

198 154 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:10 PM (ez9Rh)


Yeah, I hear you. Ironically, Russian Jews embrace of socialism - before anyone knew better - was in response to Tsarist persecution. Nicholas was the initiator of the hideous "Protocols." It was also a warped interpretation of the Hebrew concept of charity.

And of course, because many were at the top of the Communist hierarchy, it was the entire Jewish people that got the blame for all the ensuing misery.

For such smart shape-shifting weather-controllers, we sure have bad luck.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:17 PM (VM6ev)

199 194 As I wrote above Russia took over Ukraine by population in the 1930's by replacing the native population. So many ' Ukrainians ' were more than happy when Russia recently invaded.
Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 07:16 PM (pHfeF)



And as I wrote above, how far back are we going to try to turn the clock? The Poles were forcibly removed from half of what was theirs, and were compensated only by removing Germans from places that were undeniably German for centuries, Nazi madness notwithstanding.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:18 PM (ujg0T)

200 Europe has always been at war, starting with the Romans and the Greeks. And the Huns, and the Francs, and the Saxons, and the Carthenigans, and the Moors, and the ...
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 07:15 PM (roQNm)


The longest peace in European history - the pax Americana. Which lasted until that unpleasantness in the erstwhile Yugoslavia.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:18 PM (ez9Rh)

201 Depends on the situation. But where we've gone to war to "liberate the Iraqi people," for example, it's hard to wrap one's head around the idea of blowing up civilian centers just to get at the terrorists hiding among them.


Tactics have to support strategy, and strategy is determined by what goal you are trying to obtain. It is entirely possible to win battles and lose wars - just use tactics that are counterproductive to your end goals. Brutalizing a population that you need to win over to your side is a generally bad idea - otherwise, the South-east US would still be part of the British Empire.

I do believe that the memory of WWII has become a cargo cult.

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 18, 2018 07:18 PM (bZ7mE)

202
If 1 in 7 works, you won't have to.
Posted by: Caliban


Atom bombs and scrubbing bubbles.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 07:18 PM (IqV8l)

203 It could be the Obama's efforts were never for America, but for Russia and/or Iran. He refused to give them anything but socks, when anti-tank weapons were needed.

There is no response from the 10 million Ukrainian dead from Soviet genocide in 1930 (or so), and the NY Slimes is still a commie stronghold here.

Maybe instead of dividing the US, we should start adding states ... or protectorates. Ukraine, Poland, Colombia, Taiwan ... parts of Africa? Why do we fight for them for free, we could colonize and save them from the commie bear. France and Italy might be up for grabs ... we could tax them directly, instead of hoping the pay their share of NATO (they never will). (/mostly sarc)

Posted by: illiniwek at July 18, 2018 07:19 PM (bT8Z4)

204 ace, Thank you for the reply. I will fall back on what might be an erroneous position but Dresden was a clarifying point in the war. The Germans had no compunction about where they bombed.

We also have greater force multipliers now.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 07:19 PM (8T7EF)

205 today is juicy-stuff ace day

Posted by: concrete girl at July 18, 2018 07:20 PM (BVthB)

206 The problem Ace failed to mention is that Ukraine is not a nation, has never been a nation and likely will never become one. In the west the Ukes want to join the EU, in the east the Ukes identify with Russia and in the middle is an imported Russian population imported by Stalin to forever squelch the idea of independence. Remember this while watching your own country become someone's new country.

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 18, 2018 07:20 PM (vV/gB)

207 I read it all. So you guys were spared idiotic comments from me for like 60+ comments. you're welcome.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:20 PM (Zmczq)

208 197

I don't think I could name a single "punk" band or song.

Ramones??
Posted by: Soothsayer


No, the trivia question has nothing to do with punk lyrics -- that was just a leftover sock from a previous comment.

Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 07:21 PM (c+2jX)

209 Is divan an ottoman?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:21 PM (PUmDY)

210 I don't think I could name a single "punk" band or song.

Ramones??
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 07:17 PM (90V40)

I don't have a clue what "punk"is

Posted by: REDACTED at July 18, 2018 07:21 PM (TdS5t)

211 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:10 PM (ez9Rh)


He starred in "Pink Flamingoes."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:22 PM (VM6ev)

212 Hey zombie I think I can see you reflected in that belt buckle.

Posted by: f'd at July 18, 2018 07:22 PM (UdKB7)

213 >>I don't think I could name a single "punk" band or song.


If you aren't a fan of The Minutemen, you aren't a fan of music.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:22 PM (J0CvP)

214 We are the fried of liberty everywhere but guarantor only of our own.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 07:22 PM (yQpMk)

215 209 Is divan an ottoman?
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:21 PM (PUmDY)


He starred in "Pink Flamingoes."
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:22 PM (VM6ev)


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:22 PM (VM6ev)

216 If 1 in 7 works, you won't have to.
Posted by: Caliban

Atom bombs and scrubbing bubbles.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 07:18 PM (IqV8l)
...........

Don't make me mad.

Posted by: Tsar Bomba at July 18, 2018 07:23 PM (HgMAr)

217 "We are the fried of liberty everywhere"

Tell me about it.

Posted by: The chicken at July 18, 2018 07:23 PM (UdKB7)

218 I have a credenza on my lanai.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:13 PM (+lOpA)


You'd better get that looked at pronto.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 07:23 PM (QLvwG)

219 I keep my oboe in my highboy.

Funny because the English word "oboe" comes from the French hautbois, which means "high" and "wood"(wind instrument). Which someone who doesn't know French too well might pronounce as "highboy."

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 07:23 PM (3C9q2)

220 I fried liberty like fried chicken? Cuz I ike fried chicken.

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 18, 2018 07:23 PM (vV/gB)

221 If you aren't a fan of The Minutemen, you aren't a fan of music.
Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:22 PM (J0CvP)



Said one guy ever.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:23 PM (+lOpA)

222 or friend

either or

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 07:23 PM (yQpMk)

223 209 Is divan an ottoman?
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:21 PM (PUmDY)
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Don't say that word again or the Naked Fat Man will appear in the mid-morning art thread!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 07:24 PM (gUCYC)

224 The longest peace in European history - the pax Americana. Which lasted until that unpleasantness in the erstwhile Yugoslavia.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:18 PM (ez9Rh)



In fairness, the former Yugoslavia was never in the American sphere of influence.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:24 PM (ujg0T)

225 209 Is divan an ottoman?
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:21 PM (PUmDY)

No, an ottoman is like a stool or a pouf

Posted by: REDACTED at July 18, 2018 07:24 PM (TdS5t)

226 >>>204 ace, Thank you for the reply. I will fall back on what might be an erroneous position but Dresden was a clarifying point in the war. The Germans had no compunction about where they bombed.

in that kind of war, you could do that -- back then.

I'm not sure the media or left would ever allow us to really fight like that, even for our survival, today.

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 07:24 PM (PA9oZ)

227 218 I have a credenza on my lanai.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:13 PM (+lOpA)


You'd better get that looked at pronto.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 07:23 PM (QLvwG)



Itches like a bitch.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:24 PM (+lOpA)

228 Pompous pronouncements lose power when misspelled.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 07:24 PM (yQpMk)

229 I think there are some areas in which 100% realism holds sway (now that TFG is out; before that I wasn't at all sure) --

If you nuke US property, you can expect very sunny skies in the very near future, even if it is nighttime.

If you take out all our satellites in space, same thing.

A bioweapon attack, say I'm 98% certain.

And it rapidly goes down from there.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 18, 2018 07:25 PM (0ogQG)

230 I don't have a clue what "punk"is
Posted by: REDACTED


"Punk" is a musical genre, originally popular between 1976 and 1981, which emphasized rebellion in lyrics, simplicity in chord structure, and speed in tempo. The milder pop-oriented version of it was called "New Wave." After ~1981, it was revived various times, with 2nd and 3rd and 4th generation punk bands. It arose originally as a reaction to stadium rock and disco.

Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 07:25 PM (c+2jX)

231 Itches like a bitch.


There's a balm for that.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 07:25 PM (yQpMk)

232 209
Is divan an ottoman?



Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:21 PM (PUmDY)
an ottoman is a living room accessory to put your feet on, like at the end of a chair. Heidi bought a big round one on wheels that she can roll around the living-room because she thought it was cool.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:25 PM (Zmczq)

233 " I have a credenza on my lanai.
Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:13 PM (+lOpA)
You'd better get that looked at pronto"

It might turn into a pune'e.

Posted by: f'd at July 18, 2018 07:25 PM (UdKB7)

234 desperate, but not serious

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:25 PM (PUmDY)

235 And of course, because many were at the top of the Communist hierarchy, it was the entire Jewish people that got the blame for all the ensuing misery.

For such smart shape-shifting weather-controllers, we sure have bad luck.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:17 PM (VM6ev)


It's not bad luck: it's prejudice against a small ethnically distinct group that has historically been identifiable, and therefore ripe for being made a scapegoat.

Paul Johnson, in his "History of the Jews," attributes Russian/Ukrainian anti-Semitism to the practice of landlords to use Jewish overseers on their manors to, inter alia, collect payments, because they were literate.

But that doesn't explain anti-Semitism elsewhere (e.g., Spain and Portugal during the Inquisition). Ironically, pre-Nazi Germany was probably the country most favorably disposed toward Jews of any country in Europe.

Ironically, Russian Jews embrace of socialism - before anyone knew better - was in response to Tsarist persecution.

That may be true, but it's hard (at least for me) to understand why that embrace continued after Jews emigrated to America. No Tsar, no pogroms, etc. here, and for recent arrivals to agitate for fundamental change is a recipe for engendering unpopularity, just like Muslims stepping off the plane here and wanting to impose sharia.

So I don't get that one.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:26 PM (ez9Rh)

236 Excellent pieces today Ace - reminds me of your writing style from 10+ years ago. Where do we draw the lines? What are the pros/cons? Interesting discussions in gray areas.

If we "support" Montenegro what does that mean? For a war you need a clear objective for when it's "done" - like Bush I when he left Iraq after Sadam's army was out of Kuwait. Enough of the occupying of countries like Afghanistan with no exit because there is no clear goal. When would we be "done" if we sent troops to Montenegro because Russia (or Serbia or whoever) was causing some trouble there? We keep getting into these half-finished wars because there is no "end" defined. But that doesn't seem to bother the neocons.

Posted by: Tommy at July 18, 2018 07:26 PM (yEAdf)

237 They used to call antique poufs "vides" or something along those lines

Posted by: REDACTED at July 18, 2018 07:26 PM (TdS5t)

238 >>Said one guy ever.


Go buy 'Double Nickels on the Dime'.

Best Double LP ever made.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:26 PM (J0CvP)

239 Best Double LP ever made.


Can I clean my weed in it?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 07:27 PM (yQpMk)

240 P-Rock is essentially Late 70s Garage Rock.

It's not a genre as much as an ethos.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:27 PM (J0CvP)

241 No, an ottoman is like a stool or a pouf

Posted by: REDACTED at July 18, 2018 07:24 PM (TdS5
I thought a pouf was one of those soap enhancer things. they are round, made of mesh and have a loop to hang in the shower.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (Zmczq)

242 If you aren't a fan of The Minutemen, you aren't a fan of music.
Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:22 PM (J0CvP)



Our band could be your life....
Real names be the proof....

Yes, the late Dennis Dale Boon was full of leftist shit at times, but still a great amateur musician.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (ujg0T)

243 Go buy 'Double Nickels on the Dime'.



Best Double LP ever made.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:26 PM (J0CvP)

Ahem.

Posted by: Endless Summer at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (QLvwG)

244 Heidi bought a big round one on wheels that she can roll around the living-room because she thought it was cool.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:25 PM (Zmczq)



I'm detecting some skepticism.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (+lOpA)

245 236 Posted by: Tommy at July 18, 2018 07:26 PM (yEAdf)


Actually, "Gray Areas" would've been great name for the blog.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (VM6ev)

246 In fairness, the former Yugoslavia was never in the American sphere of influence.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:24 PM (ujg0T)


True, and a good point.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (ez9Rh)

247 >>Can I clean my weed in it?


Yep. But a Frisbee works better!

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (J0CvP)

248 We could have told you this is how the US would behave.

Posted by: Hungary, Circa 1956 at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (H5knJ)

249 The problem Ace failed to mention is that Ukraine is not a nation, has never been a nation and likely will never become one. In the west the Ukes want to join the EU, in the east the Ukes identify with Russia and in the middle is an imported Russian population imported by Stalin to forever squelch the idea of independence. Remember this while watching your own country become someone's new country.
Posted by: Puddin Head at July 18, 2018 07:20 PM (vV/gB)

Finally. One correction , the middle is Kiev. Historically - Kievan Russia back to the time of Vladimir, Olga & Igor. Ukranians are European version of Palestinians. With the same habits. There is no such thing as "The Ukraine", in Russian or any other language. Just a poor translation, probably. Skip - 40% of Ukraine was always native Russian. No need to import. More : the sothern ports were Russian - taken from the Turks 300 years ago - including Crimea.

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (bUjCl)

250 219 I keep my oboe in my highboy.

Funny because the English word "oboe" comes from the French hautbois, which means "high" and "wood"(wind instrument). Which someone who doesn't know French too well might pronounce as "highboy."
Posted by: Basement Cat


You win the quatloos for being 90% correct.

The actual answer is what you said, but even funnier:

The English word "oboe" comes from the French hautbois, which means "high" and "wood."

The English word "highboy" comes from the French hautbois, which means "high" and "wood."

It's the same word, bastardized in two different ways!

(All the linguists in the house double over with laughter.)

Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (c+2jX)

251 Okay before I go pull the covers over my head and give up on today entirely, I just want to say that I love the term crabwalk.

It's just so evocative.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (dEQP3)

252 "Can I clean my weed in it?"

*** tosses a Frisbee ***

Posted by: f'd at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (UdKB7)

253 Sideboard equals credenza, right?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (PUmDY)

254 But that doesn't explain anti-Semitism elsewhere (e.g., Spain and Portugal during the Inquisition). Ironically, pre-Nazi Germany was probably the country most favorably disposed toward Jews of any country in Europe.
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Weren't Jews involved in the slavery business on behalf of the Muslims on the Iberian Peninsula?

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 18, 2018 07:29 PM (vV/gB)

255
"Physical Graffiti."


Mic-drop.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:29 PM (VM6ev)

256 How do you know if bleu cheese has gone bad? It smells funny and in covered with mold when you buy it.

Posted by: josephistan at July 18, 2018 07:29 PM (Izzlo)

257 >>Yes, the late Dennis Dale Boon was full of leftist shit at times, but still a great amateur musician.


Yep. D. Boone was a kid right up until he died.

But, he was a fearless guitar player. Guy played with a freedom and candor few ever achieve.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:29 PM (J0CvP)

258
Excellent writing.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2018 07:29 PM (r+sAi)

259 I thought a pouf was one of those soap enhancer things. they are round, made of mesh and have a loop to hang in the shower.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (Zmczq)


No, However if you have a poof in your shower, well, ya got probs

Posted by: REDACTED at July 18, 2018 07:29 PM (TdS5t)

260 198 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:17 PM (VM6ev)

Yeah, I hear you. Ironically, Russian Jews embrace of socialism - before anyone knew better - was in response to Tsarist persecution. Nicholas was the initiator of the hideous "Protocols." It was also a warped interpretation of the Hebrew concept of charity.

And of course, because many were at the top of the Communist hierarchy, it was the entire Jewish people that got the blame for all the ensuing misery.

For such smart shape-shifting weather-controllers, we sure have bad luck.

===

Just even arguing about the Jew's "influence" in the Soviet Days is a distraction that gets you arguing on the anti-Semite's ground.

The Chekist mindset is what rules Russia now. And it is useful for them to stir up anti-Semitism online through their puppet accounts and bots. Russians were brainwashed against bankers and capitalism for three generations, and they're not giving up that vector for criticizing the West. Just that Jews are now a convenient target for that strategy, rather than attacking "fascists" which was the party line back in Soviet days.

Mentioning "Jews" in this conversation is a distraction. On purpose. For the benefit of whom? (Putin, eventually.)

Posted by: Dr. Spaceman at July 18, 2018 07:29 PM (HCeK1)

261 There's a fat man
on the ottoman
with the blues

Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2018 07:30 PM (/tuJf)

262 WHat happened to Yugoslavia is an atrocity of massive proportion, sold as a humanitarian act. Total bullshit.

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:30 PM (bUjCl)

263 Was this mentioned in the comments today?

"The California Supreme Court decided Wednesday to remove a measure aimed at dividing California into three states from the November ballot"

https://tinyurl.com/ycygptyv

What the hell? They don't even allow it to be voted on. In other words, the pre-unconstitutional division of the CA SC nipped this one in the bud.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 18, 2018 07:30 PM (wBMGD)

264 Having read the content, I'll just say "Great post, man."

Now I'll read the comments for a few minutes before playing GTA 5........


Hey, it was a tough day at work!!!

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 07:30 PM (5AVMW)

265 >>"Physical Graffiti."


Just sneaks into the Top 5.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:30 PM (J0CvP)

266 With open borders being the globalist fetish of the decade, who gives two fucks about Russia and Ukraine. Walk your fucking asses to the EU.

Posted by: Fritz at July 18, 2018 07:30 PM (RfYYV)

267 I think it should be apparent by now that the American people lose interest in a long, drawn-out, open-ended war. Wars like the Mexican War and the Spanish-American War were pretty quick affairs. The Civil War lasted four years and some Northerners (OK, mostly Democrats) were calling for a negotiated peace after the first couple years.

Many Americans didn't want to get involved in WWI, but Wilson's fascist administration came down like a ton of bricks on the war's opponents. Still, our involvement was not very long.

We were in WWII for less than four years from Pearl Harbor to VJ-Day. Support remained high, but the Pacific battles got bloodier and bloodier in 1945. If the atomic bombs had not existed and we had to invade Japan, I believe that support would have started crumbling. By that time the Japanese military was no longer a threat to American possessions or the West Coast, and a movement would have arisen to just declare victory and go home, as we suffered greater and greater casualties for less territory gained.

Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 07:31 PM (sdi6R)

268 260 Posted by: Dr. Spaceman at July 18, 2018 07:29 PM (HCeK1)

And that takes us back to my original point with Jay.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:31 PM (VM6ev)

269 256 How do you know if bleu cheese has gone bad? It smells funny and in covered with mold when you buy it.
Posted by: josephistan at July 18, 2018 07:29 PM (Izzlo)


Compare it your neighbors schmundie. If it smell worse too sit, the cheese not the schmundie, although you can toss a schmundie

Posted by: REDACTED at July 18, 2018 07:31 PM (TdS5t)

270 Was freaking out, but no one gives a crap about edibles leaving CO.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:31 PM (PUmDY)

271 It's the same word, bastardized in two different ways!
(All the linguists in the house double over with laughter.)
Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (c+2jX)







Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 07:32 PM (5AVMW)

272 Wish you were here is the greatest prog rock single album in history. Those who disagree suck cock by choice.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 07:32 PM (yQpMk)

273 69 Who dots the I in Ukraine?

who puts the wang in the wanga langa ding dong?

Posted by: Anachronda at July 18, 2018 07:32 PM (NmR1a)

274 The neocons only goal/endgame is a global government with them running the whole enchilida.

Endless wars, human deaths and suffering, breaking the bank here while taking their huge skin off the top are features, not bugs.

And it blows me away that anyone can still think any of the Bushs' have a single decent bone in their bodies.

Posted by: teej at July 18, 2018 07:32 PM (Z7oqE)

275 263 Was this mentioned in the comments today?

"The California Supreme Court decided Wednesday to remove a measure aimed at dividing California into three states from the November ballot"

https://tinyurl.com/ycygptyv

What the hell? They don't even allow it to be voted on. In other words, the pre-unconstitutional division of the CA SC nipped this one in the bud.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 18, 2018 07:30 PM (wBMGD)



If you want to divide California politically, the REAL division is Coast vs. Interior, not North vs. South.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:32 PM (ujg0T)

276 My administration had a muscular and robust, yet loving foreign policy, the so-called "Love Muscle" approach.

It is the policy of manly men, secure in their manliness.

The suggestion that we set the Middle East on fire, then got bored and went to the mall, is unworthy of a response.

Posted by: Hussein Soetoro, B.A., J.D. C.-in-C., B.F.D. at July 18, 2018 07:32 PM (ritOW)

277 244
Heidi bought a big round one on wheels that she can roll around the living-room because she thought it was cool.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:25 PM (Zmczq)





I'm detecting some skepticism.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (+lOpA)

Lol...we have a small living room and it takes up a lot of room. You can push it like 3 feet in either direction. Its well...kinda ridiculous but you didn't hear that from me. Oh and the cats like tit so there's that.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:32 PM (Zmczq)

278 Sorry, I meant Toss IT

Posted by: REDACTED at July 18, 2018 07:32 PM (TdS5t)

279 I don't think we realllly want three Californias.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:32 PM (+lOpA)

280 256 How do you know if bleu cheese has gone bad? It smells funny and in covered with mold when you buy it.
Posted by: josephistan at July 18, 2018 07:29 PM (Izzlo)



Open the jar, and if you immediately throw up and pass out, it's got about a week left.

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 07:33 PM (5AVMW)

281 SO, why do we need NATO ? It made sense when there were two spheres of influence, but now ? Seems like a money laundering scheme, now. EUropeans want to form their own army. Let them.

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:33 PM (bUjCl)

282 >>Wish you were here is the greatest prog rock single album in history.


The Damnation of Adam Blessing

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:33 PM (J0CvP)

283 JS: Boulder shows were awesome.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:33 PM (PUmDY)

284 The political limitations of the modern Republican party are not the boundaries of the United States itself. History proves otherwise.

I feel I was right. This was bullshit.

You want to start the debate with a massive concession-- that we agree that nobody could have done better than Bush or Romney in running a campaign.

You know what?

We don't make that concession.

We will formulate the interests and capabilities of the United States without reference to the Republican Party--- and then we will hold the Republican Party accountable for upholding those interests.

We will not say, as you'd prefer, that we take the political failure of the GOP as a factor, and limit our policy to match it.

If that destroys the modern Republican party, then, good riddance. I know no reason why a nation of 300 million should be defined by 2000 hacks.




Posted by: ChrisBalsz at July 18, 2018 07:33 PM (K5qvX)

285 A divan is like a davenport with no back

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at July 18, 2018 07:33 PM (ARUHl)

286 (All the linguists in the house double over with laughter.)

Glad to know grad school was good for a few things other than the degree.

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 07:34 PM (3C9q2)

287 279 I don't think we realllly want three Californias.
Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:32 PM (+lOpA)


Not the way they split it up. LA, SD and SF would've been the capitals of each state. Thats all we need. 6 more Democrat Senators.

Fuck that. Those three cities should be ONE state all by itself along with Sacramento.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:34 PM (VM6ev)

288 270
Was freaking out, but no one gives a crap about edibles leaving CO.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:31 PM (PUmDY)

good to know. was a question I was going to ask here.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:34 PM (Zmczq)

289 Oh and the cats like tit so there's that.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:32 PM (Zmczq)


Yes we doooo......

Posted by: Horny Cats at July 18, 2018 07:34 PM (5AVMW)

290 "The California Supreme Court decided Wednesday to remove a measure aimed at dividing California into three states from the November ballot"

https://tinyurl.com/ycygptyv

What the hell? They don't even allow it to be voted on. In other words, the pre-unconstitutional division of the CA SC nipped this one in the bud.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 18, 2018 07:30 PM (wBMGD)

---------------

It was mentioned in the comments, but not discussed much.

IMO it was yet more Judicial overreach, however, I was happy to hear that we would have no chance of getting 4 more Cali Dem Senators.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 07:34 PM (yJ9Jf)

291 >> I don't think we realllly want three Californias.


As long as all 3 are behind The Wall, I will allow it.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:35 PM (J0CvP)

292 267 I think it should be apparent by now that the American people lose interest in a long, drawn-out, open-ended war. Wars like the Mexican War and the Spanish-American War were pretty quick affairs. The Civil War lasted four years and some Northerners (OK, mostly Democrats) were calling for a negotiated peace after the first couple years.

Many Americans didn't want to get involved in WWI, but Wilson's fascist administration came down like a ton of bricks on the war's opponents. Still, our involvement was not very long.

We were in WWII for less than four years from Pearl Harbor to VJ-Day. Support remained high, but the Pacific battles got bloodier and bloodier in 1945. If the atomic bombs had not existed and we had to invade Japan, I believe that support would have started crumbling. By that time the Japanese military was no longer a threat to American possessions or the West Coast, and a movement would have arisen to just declare victory and go home, as we suffered greater and greater casualties for less territory gained.
Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 07:31 PM (sdi6R)



Bingo. Americans are not ones for protracted war.

Ironically, had LBJ gone all-in for South Vietnam from 1965-1967, invading "off limits" border regions and all, he might have eked out a victory.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:35 PM (ujg0T)

293 ace, very true with exception. The Tribal areas in Afghanistan would be a prime target for a strike of massive proportion.

I keep remembering the Yazidi that said we will die willingly if you will kill all of them.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 07:35 PM (8T7EF)

294 rickl, there are arguments that we did declare victory and go home re Japan. the surrender agreement with Germany was over a blasted ruin with no legitimate government - it all.had to be rebuilt. Japan kept her Emperor and other systems of government. Japan didnt even apologise. the emperor just had to agree that he was done being Japan's god and done with invading non Japanese land.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at July 18, 2018 07:35 PM (NlLAv)

295 'Oh and the cats like tit so there's that.'

In my experience, cats love to shred ottomans. Except for this big leather one I have here. The can't get a grip on it.

Also, I like tit too.

Posted by: f'd at July 18, 2018 07:35 PM (UdKB7)

296 259 I thought a pouf was one of those soap enhancer things. they are round, made of mesh and have a loop to hang in the shower.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:28 PM (Zmczq)

Let me explain the difference

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly at July 18, 2018 07:35 PM (TdS5t)

297 I have to work midnight to 3AM to do a thing what needs doing. I don't know whether to try to nap or just plan on brewing strong coffee.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 07:35 PM (yQpMk)

298 Not the way they split it up. LA, SD and SF would've been the capitals of each state. Thats all we need. 6 more Democrat Senators.

Fuck that. Those three cities should be ONE state all by itself along with Sacramento.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:34 PM (VM6ev)


Yah fuck that noise in particular.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:36 PM (+lOpA)

299 Legally binding NATO treaty ≠ vague promises of support.

Posted by: The Defense Hat at July 18, 2018 07:36 PM (itfg0)

300 Yep. D. Boone was a kid right up until he died.

But, he was a fearless guitar player. Guy played with a freedom and candor few ever achieve.
Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:29 PM (J0CvP)



Absolutely. Great documentary on them narrated by Mike Watt and George Hurley.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:36 PM (ujg0T)

301 Oh and the cats like tit so there's that.

Somebody has been watching too many newborn kitten videos. Or is a breeder of kittehs.

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 07:36 PM (3C9q2)

302 Historians may date the age of NWO Wankerism from Kindler and Gentler CIA Director Bush to CIA Director Brennan.

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 18, 2018 07:36 PM (vV/gB)

303 That may make me sound like a pacifist, which I am not, but it does put me in the hardcore realist camp. Because, you see, American troops can win a war in six months. It's just that the American public would lose their minds at what it would take to do so.

We are a nation of petulant children and we are being ruled by those who we have chosen to recognize as much.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 06:53 PM (dEQP3)

^^^This is the codicil. In the moral vs realism spectrum the decision makers need to factor in whether we have the WILL to do what is necessary to WIN. Not just a virtue-signaling statement of moral support. While I do believe that a case can be made for attacking threats in other countries as a means to prevent the threats from becoming active in the US proper, we can't be responsible for policing every dispute.
Not without the power to control the country afterwards and I believe colonial empires are out of fashion these days.

Posted by: Iris at July 18, 2018 07:36 PM (dYDe7)

304 >> I don't know whether to try to nap or just plan on brewing strong coffee.


I get 10-15 minutes after a cup of coffee where I can drop into a 30 minute nap. Wake up revving, too!

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:37 PM (J0CvP)

305 For OG parrot heads, there is only me.

Posted by: You Had To Be There at July 18, 2018 07:37 PM (QLvwG)

306 I have to work midnight to 3AM to do a thing what needs doing. I don't know whether to try to nap or just plan on brewing strong coffee.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 07:35 PM (yQpMk)




You sure you should be mentioning that sort of "job" here on the interwebs?

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 07:37 PM (5AVMW)

307 The problem Ace failed to mention is that Ukraine is not a nation, has never been a nation and likely will never become one.

Um, no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine#Golden_Age_of_Kiev

"During the 10th and 11th centuries, it became the largest and most powerful state in Europe.[38] It laid the foundation for the national identity of Ukrainians and Russians.[39] Kiev, the capital of modern Ukraine, became the most important city of the Rus'."

Ukrainian is a language about as distinct from Russian as Dutch is from German or English.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:37 PM (ez9Rh)

308 Bingo. Americans are not ones for protracted war.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:35 PM (ujg0T)


That's our biggest charm ... screw those who think different.

All we used to want to do was work our fields, factories, whatever - and be left alone.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 07:37 PM (fiGNd)

309 well now I know what a schmundie is. This place...amirite?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:37 PM (Zmczq)

310 have to work midnight to 3AM to do a thing what needs doing. I don't know whether to try to nap or just plan on brewing strong coffee.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 07:35 PM (yQpMk)

-

Drink some brown liquor, nap briefly, wake up refreshed.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at July 18, 2018 07:38 PM (YPqbH)

311 >>Absolutely. Great documentary on them narrated by Mike Watt and George Hurley.


Got it on DVD. Love it. Love all 3 of those guys.

Watt couldn't be a nicer person. And Hurley is a fucking God.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:38 PM (J0CvP)

312 And if the Ukranians thought we'd come to their aid, merely because we said so, that's kind of on them, don't you think? Where was THEIR foreign ministry? Why didn't THEIR leadership figure it out?

I hate to say it, but folks who condemn me as a delusional sissy boy who destroyed the Western world by sitting my bony ass on the control panel while stoned out of my gourd, are just racists.

Posted by: Hussein Soetoro, B.A., J.D. , C.-in-C., B.F.D. at July 18, 2018 07:38 PM (ritOW)

313 285 A divan is like a davenport with no back
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at July 18, 2018 07:33 PM (ARUHl)



"I am the king of the divan--
Ca plane pour moi...."

--Plastic Bertrand

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:38 PM (ujg0T)

314 You sure you should be mentioning that sort of "job" here on the interwebs?


if five whiskeys don't get the taste out of my mouth a sixth won't either..

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 07:38 PM (yQpMk)

315 285 A divan is like a davenport with no back
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at July 18, 2018 07:33 PM (ARUHl)

I've sold a lot of Davenport desks but never a sofa. Maybe I have and didn't know it

Posted by: REDACTED at July 18, 2018 07:38 PM (TdS5t)

316 301
Oh and the cats like tit so there's that.



Somebody has been watching too many newborn kitten videos. Or is a breeder of kittehs.

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 07:36 PM (3C9q2)

Lol. i didn't catch that.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:39 PM (Zmczq)

317 Also, learn a lesson from poor D. Boone.

Don't Let Your Girlfriend Drive the Van!

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:39 PM (J0CvP)

318

Cooks Illustrated email today prominently features:
"Go Greek With This Crowd Pleasing Olive Oil"

Editing, dead it is...

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at July 18, 2018 07:39 PM (UFLLM)

319 286 (All the linguists in the house double over with laughter.)

Glad to know grad school was good for a few things other than the degree.
Posted by: Basement Cat


If you can't laugh at a good oboe joke, you are excluded from intellectual circles!

Why do orchestras tune all instruments to the oboe's high "A"?

Because everyone must be out of tune exactly in the same way!

Hahahahahahaha!

I got millions of 'em. I've got an entire oboe standup act.

Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 07:39 PM (c+2jX)

320 Lol, louffer

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:39 PM (PUmDY)

321 During the 10th and 11th centuries, it became the largest and most powerful state in Europe.[38] It laid the foundation for the national identity of Ukrainians and Russians.[39] Kiev, the capital of modern Ukraine, became the most important city of the Rus'."

Ukrainian is a language about as distinct from Russian as Dutch is from German or English.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:37 PM (ez9Rh)

and Kievan Russ as distinct from today's country of Ukraine as the Holly Roman Empire is from Germany.

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:39 PM (bUjCl)

322 The real problem for the moralists is that we're now free to openly ask the question that Tucker asked last night: Why should my son fight?

In WWII draft we had to fatten up our boys to fight, then to die. People, brought closer to truth through education and technological advance, are naturally going to ask the question that some decades ago wasn't allowed.

That we're now a volunteer military doesn't diminish the need for citizens to protect Tucker's son and the sons of people who seek a route out of disorder and poverty.

Posted by: MLD at July 18, 2018 07:40 PM (Bt7Nk)

323 You're a traveling man Charlie.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2018 07:40 PM (/tuJf)

324 318

Cooks Illustrated email today prominently features:
"Go Greek With This Crowd Pleasing Olive Oil"

Editing, dead it is...
Posted by: In Vino Veritits at July 18, 2018 07:39 PM (UFLLM)


"PHRASING!!!!"

- - Al Sharptone

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:40 PM (VM6ev)

325 Divan is also something great to do with leftover turkey

Posted by: REDACTED at July 18, 2018 07:40 PM (TdS5t)

326 >>You're a traveling man Charlie.


He's on the Road, Again.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:40 PM (J0CvP)

327
Marxist-Leninism is a very seductive ideology if you just go with feelings.

Capitalism is a cold-blooded calculated ideology that needs religion to moderate the lust for profit.

Democracy - back to feelings again because most people can't or won't take the time to think through the effects of proposed policies or can't be cold-blooded enough to separate feelings for the children from the side effects of government policy.

Sure, Marxists can be cold-blooded when dealing with their enemies, but their decisions are still based on emotion.

Representative Republicanism in the US was intended to be cold-blooded and based on reason, facts, and logic. Everything most humans are not, or at least, not often reasonable, fact-based, and logical.



Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 07:40 PM (roQNm)

328

Mom used to make great Divanity at Christmas.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits at July 18, 2018 07:41 PM (UFLLM)

329 There were multiple city states that were molded into Russia, plus some Tatar held ones - like Kazan.

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:41 PM (bUjCl)

330 Seeing a lot of nicks I don't recognize in this thread.

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 18, 2018 07:42 PM (bZ7mE)

331 like Kazan

The magician?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 07:42 PM (yQpMk)

332 313 285 A divan is like a davenport with no back
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at July 18, 2018 07:33 PM (ARUHl)


"I am the king of the divan--
Ca plane pour moi...."

--Plastic Bertrand
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:38 PM (ujg0T)


The fact that you know Plastic Bertrand. Wow.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:42 PM (VM6ev)

333 329 There were multiple city states that were molded into Russia, plus some Tatar held ones - like Kazan.
Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:41 PM (bUjCl)



IIRC, Tatars are very East Asian looking, but culturally Russian?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:42 PM (ujg0T)

334
Wish you were here is the greatest prog rock single album in history.

The Damnation of Adam Blessing


We're Only In It For the Money

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 07:42 PM (IqV8l)

335 Realism - good.

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:42 PM (bUjCl)

336 Hahahahahahaha!



I got millions of 'em. I've got an entire oboe standup act.

Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 07:39 PM (c+2jX)

Like this?



How do you get five oboes in tune?

Shoot four of them.




Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:43 PM (Zmczq)

337 In the old times we had divans as far as the eye could see.


Then the white man came.

Posted by: eleven at July 18, 2018 07:43 PM (+lOpA)

338 IIRC, Tatars are very East Asian looking, but culturally Russian?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:42 PM (ujg0T)

Mongolian, but over centuries mixed into the population.

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:43 PM (bUjCl)

339 333 329 There were multiple city states that were molded into Russia, plus some Tatar held ones - like Kazan.
Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:41 PM (bUjCl)


IIRC, Tatars are very East Asian looking, but culturally Russian?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:42 PM (ujg0T)


"Um, like, they invented Tatar sauce, right?"

- - Ben Rhodes

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:43 PM (VM6ev)

340 We're Only In It For the Money

Amusing when you're stoned but not really that great musically.

Posted by: Grump928(c) the idiot bastard's son at July 18, 2018 07:43 PM (yQpMk)

341

My next book: Divanity: The History of Divine Furniture

Posted by: In Vino Veritits, Director Happy Fun Camp Time Share Sales at July 18, 2018 07:44 PM (UFLLM)

342 and Kievan Russ as distinct from today's country of Ukraine as the Holly Roman Empire is from Germany.

And yet, Germany is considered a nation these days....

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 18, 2018 07:44 PM (bZ7mE)

343 Have the windows open , ice cream truck going by playing Yankee Doodle Dandy

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 07:44 PM (pHfeF)

344 Ukraine Mother Russia's bitch.

Posted by: Russia at July 18, 2018 07:44 PM (mj0FB)

345 This is why I read AoS. You won't find this kind of commentary anywhere else.

Posted by: Dilsin at July 18, 2018 07:44 PM (3OMsg)

346 The Ukraine is weak.

Posted by: Cosmo Kramer at July 18, 2018 07:44 PM (yQpMk)

347 344 Ukraine Mother Russia's bitch.
Posted by: Russia at July 18, 2018 07:44 PM (mj0FB)


"Pfft. Pfft-Pfft."

- - Belarus and Moldova

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:45 PM (VM6ev)

348 Divan was great in those John Waters films.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at July 18, 2018 07:45 PM (YPqbH)

349 There were also Crimean Khanate, and other Mongolian regions that became part of Russia many moons ago.

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:45 PM (bUjCl)

350 Garrett, you make fun, but Dead and Company is the best touring act out now, imo. Branford Marsalis is going to be with them in a month or so.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:45 PM (PUmDY)

351


I strained my Ukraine once. Never healed quite right.

Posted by: In Vino Veritits, Director Happy Fun Camp Time Share Sales at July 18, 2018 07:45 PM (UFLLM)

352 Moldova's alright. Could use a nose job though.

Posted by: Cosmo Kramer at July 18, 2018 07:45 PM (yQpMk)

353 >>He's on the Road, Again.

Road Runner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tbjPbROPaY

Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2018 07:45 PM (/tuJf)

354 And yet, Germany is considered a nation these days....
Posted by: Grey Fox at July 18, 2018 07:44 PM (bZ7mE)

They should thank Napoleon..

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:46 PM (bUjCl)

355 I'm sorry but I'm having a chuckle.

Queers and cucks can generate 600 comments in this same amount of time.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 07:46 PM (8T7EF)

356 After ace's output today, I'm ready to go from platinum to double platinum membership.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 07:46 PM (yL25O)

357 Still going

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 07:46 PM (pHfeF)

358 Duck! It's the oboe.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 07:47 PM (IqV8l)

359 332 313 285 A divan is like a davenport with no back
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at July 18, 2018 07:33 PM (ARUHl)


"I am the king of the divan--
Ca plane pour moi...."

--Plastic Bertrand
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:38 PM (ujg0T)


The fact that you know Plastic Bertrand. Wow.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton


My comment back at #161 "I prefer to stay over here on my comfortable settee." Posted by: obscure punk lyrics reference) was referring to the lyrics of Chelsea's 1981 song "Evacuate": "They all sit down, On a comfortable settee." That's what started this whole mashup of obscure furniture and punk rock.

Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 07:47 PM (c+2jX)

360 355
I'm sorry but I'm having a chuckle.



Queers and cucks can generate 600 comments in this same amount of time.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 07:46 PM (8T7EF)

Is that a band?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:47 PM (Zmczq)

361 and Kievan Russ as distinct from today's country of Ukraine as the Holy Roman Empire is from Germany.
Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:39 PM (bUjCl)


Yes, but I'd liken the Ukrainians' desire to have a Ukraine to the Kurds' wanting a Kurdistan: a people who consider themselves distinct from those around (and in some cases, among) them, with their own language and culture.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:47 PM (ez9Rh)

362 >>Garrett, you make fun, but Dead and Company is the best touring act out now, imo.


Saw Dean Ween Group last week. Deaner killed it.

Gonna go see J. Mascis on my birthday.

Not gonna go see John. Not even if he begs.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 07:47 PM (J0CvP)

363 After ace's output today, I'm ready to go from platinum to double platinum membership.

Yes yes, first the oohing and ahhing, then the running and the screaming. We'll all be banned by midnight.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 07:48 PM (yQpMk)

364 I woke up today and I am still not speaking Russian. What is up with that?! The media promised me the Russians were taking over and Trump would have everybody in America speaking Russians by today.

Oh, well there is always tomorrow.

#RussiaRussiaRussia

Posted by: Trigger Warning at July 18, 2018 07:48 PM (YRXy3)

365 chicks and queers make good looking lovers

Posted by: Marilyn Manson at July 18, 2018 07:48 PM (NlLAv)

366 336 Hahahahahahaha!



I got millions of 'em. I've got an entire oboe standup act.

Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 07:39 PM (c+2jX)

Like this?



How do you get five oboes in tune?

Shoot four of them.




Posted by: Cannibal Bob


Hahahaha! A classic. I always use that one in my encore.

Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 07:48 PM (c+2jX)

367 What is PDT's strategy re: Russia is my question. He is a wily one for sure.

Posted by: jmel at July 18, 2018 07:49 PM (OeWgo)

368 But given that Bush's own evidence was kind of shaky, did it make sense to commit to a full ground war and full occupation for years and year (though the length of the occupation was longer than I imagine they predicted)?

With the evidence kind of shaky, I could see a case for a more punitive no-fly zone policy and more frequent bombings coupled with attempts to destablilize Iraq and spur an uprising.

We could have just bombed all suspected WMD sites and presidential palaces and all the other places we suspected there might have been WMDs. And then rebombed them. And then bombed them six months later, in case we thought they had started those sites back producing WMDs.

That would have been far less costly a war.



Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 06:50 PM (PA9oZ)

If Trump was president, he probably would have made a deal with Saddam to get rid of his WMD's--if they really existed---and let him stay in power. And Saddam would have known Trump wasn't fooling around.
I voted for George W. Bush, but he was an idiot. He could have done 10X what Trump wants to do regarding immigration from Muslim countries--and 95% of the country would have either agreed--or shut up about it.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 07:49 PM (y8Foj)

369 All double reed instruments are the Devil's invention.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 18, 2018 07:49 PM (yQpMk)

370 Yes, but I'd liken the Ukrainians' desire to have a Ukraine to the Kurds' wanting a Kurdistan: a people who consider themselves distinct from those around (and in some cases, among) them, with their own language and culture.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:47 PM (ez9Rh)

more like certain trans-Jordanians wanting "Palestine". seriously.

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:49 PM (bUjCl)

371 I've got an entire oboe standup act.

I know a little about oboes because I have a friend who plays oboe at the symphony orchestra level. She not only told me about the process of making her own reeds but showed me how it's done. Made me glad that I didn't have to do that kind of thing to play a church organ.

And before you haul out your own collection of jokes about the ultimate wind instrument, I'll tack on one found in a bathroom in the local music school:

Q: Why did Bach have 21 children?
A: No stop on his organ.

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 07:49 PM (3C9q2)

372 332 313 285 A divan is like a davenport with no back
Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at July 18, 2018 07:33 PM (ARUHl)


"I am the king of the divan--
Ca plane pour moi...."

--Plastic Bertrand
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:38 PM (ujg0T)

The fact that you know Plastic Bertrand. Wow.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:42 PM (VM6ev)



"Oooh-weee-oooh-ooooh!"

The 1980s (or late 1970s) left an impression on me.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:49 PM (ujg0T)

373 it is going to be Lena' s used under garments at the ONT tonight.

spoiler alert.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at July 18, 2018 07:49 PM (NlLAv)

374 "We're Only In It For the Money"

Flower Power Sucks!

Posted by: S#it Zappa Said at July 18, 2018 07:50 PM (UdKB7)

375 and Kievan Russ as distinct from today's country of Ukraine as the Holly Roman Empire is from Germany.
Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:39 PM (bUjCl)


Also, on a topical note, as distinct as Judea is from Israel, come to that.

I think the critical piece is that of people identifying themselves as a people who want to live together and govern themselves.

That's the common thread through the Ukrainians, the Kurds, and the Israelis.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:50 PM (ez9Rh)

376 Hahahaha! A classic. I always use that one in my encore.

Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 07:48 PM (c+2jX)

LMAO!!! you're cracking me up zombie...because I believe you!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:50 PM (Zmczq)

377 72 Is there victory in Afghanistan yet?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 06:56 PM (IqV8l)

No, but the president is bringing everyone to the table and even wants the Taliban to participate.

The Taliban insists on talking with the U.S. because they believe (and it's true) that the regime in Kabul is a puppet.

We're preparing to talk to them, too. Just three days ago Trump ordered direct talks to take place as soon as possible in order to come to an end to the war.

I wonder why this isn't headline news over on CNN?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2018 07:51 PM (4ErVI)

378 321 and Kievan Russ as distinct from today's country of Ukraine as the Holly Roman Empire is from Germany.

I saw Holly Roman open for Stormy Daniels at the Empire State Plaza back in the noughties.

Posted by: Anachronda at July 18, 2018 07:51 PM (NmR1a)

379 Russia suppressed Ukrainians' own language as well as its (Catholic) church.

FIFY Ace.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 07:51 PM (3HNOQ)

380 What is PDT's strategy re: Russia is my question. He is a wily one for sure.
Posted by: jmel at July 18, 2018 07:49 PM (OeWgo)

He wants to keep them in check regarding Eastern Europe, use them as a potential counter balance to future Chinese aggression, cooperate with them in the War on Terror and make money for US business.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 07:52 PM (y8Foj)

381 373 it is going to be Lena' s used under garments at the ONT tonight.

spoiler alert.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at July 18, 2018 07:49 PM (NlLAv)

...

I'm immune to everything except starfish blob on a rock lady.

I think.

Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 07:52 PM (yL25O)

382 it is going to be Lena' s used under garments at the ONT tonight.

spoiler alert.


No Yoko solos?

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 07:52 PM (3C9q2)

383 What is PDT's strategy re: Russia is my question. He is a wily one for sure.
Posted by: jmel at July 18, 2018 07:49 PM (OeWgo)

I think it is to get back to pre-obama meddling garbage. People were going nutso listening to POTUS, missed what Putin was saying. He said a lot of interesting stuff, regardign Syria. Breitbart picked on it up today.

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:52 PM (bUjCl)

384 He could have done 10X what Trump wants to do regarding immigration from Muslim countries--and 95% of the country would have either agreed--or shut up about it.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 07:49 PM (y8Foj)

---------------

Bush could've, except for the fact that his entire clan are open borders globalists. He didn't do anything because he didn't want to.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 07:52 PM (yJ9Jf)

385 Sorry, I stated that wrong. Topics about queers and cucks have been know to generate 600 comments in the same amount of time.

Ace has been brilliant on these last two threads.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 07:52 PM (8T7EF)

386 371 I've got an entire oboe standup act.

I know a little about oboes because I have a friend who plays oboe at the symphony orchestra level. She not only told me about the process of making her own reeds but showed me how it's done. Made me glad that I didn't have to do that kind of thing to play a church organ.

And before you haul out your own collection of jokes about the ultimate wind instrument, I'll tack on one found in a bathroom in the local music school:

Q: Why did Bach have 21 children?
A: No stop on his organ.
Posted by: Basement Cat


What do you call a fat oboe with a nice coiffure?

Vidal Bassoon!

Hahahahahahahahaha!

Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 07:52 PM (c+2jX)

387 But given that Bush's own evidence was kind of shaky, did it make sense to commit to a full ground war and full occupation for years and year (though the length of the occupation was longer than I imagine they predicted)?

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 06:50 PM (PA9oZ)


Replacing Hussein with another Dictator, of our choosing, would have saved thousands of lives.

I was trained on how to bomb people into the Stone Age. I have no fucking idea how you're supposed to bomb them out of one.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 07:52 PM (fiGNd)

388 294 rickl, there are arguments that we did declare victory and go home re Japan. the surrender agreement with Germany was over a blasted ruin with no legitimate government - it all.had to be rebuilt. Japan kept her Emperor and other systems of government. Japan didnt even apologise. the emperor just had to agree that he was done being Japan's god and done with invading non Japanese land.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at July 18, 2018 07:35 PM (NlLAv)


Yeah, but that was good enough. The Japanese knew they were beaten and didn't mount a guerilla campaign against the American occupation.

On the other hand, the "not apologizing" led to them getting away with committing atrocities on the same scale that the Nazis were punished for. And the Japanese don't teach their children about those things either.

Today, the Germans seem to be trying to commit national suicide over their war guilt. The Japanese don't seem to feel war guilt, yet they've stopped reproducing. So I don't know.

Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 07:52 PM (sdi6R)

389 "Strongman politics are ascendant," what a jerk off quota

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:53 PM (PUmDY)

390 I saw Holly Roman open for Stormy Daniels at the Empire State Plaza back in the noughties.
Posted by: Anachronda at July 18, 2018 07:51 PM (NmR1a)

did she grab them ?

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:53 PM (bUjCl)

391
I saw Holly Roman open for Stormy Daniels at the Empire State Plaza back in the noughties.
Posted by: Anachronda at July 18, 2018 07:51 PM (NmR1a)

But her name wasn't really Holly and she wasn't a Roman and Empire State Plaza wasn't really an Empire....

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 07:53 PM (y8Foj)

392 And hautbois sounds alot like... HOBO!!!

Posted by: andycanuck at July 18, 2018 07:53 PM (Evws/)

393 The Russians at the time were Russian Orthodox. The western half of Ukraine were in Full Communion with Rome.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 07:54 PM (3HNOQ)

394 and lets not forget the bassoon.



What do you throw a drowning bassoon player?

His case.




Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:54 PM (Zmczq)

395 I voted for George W. Bush, but he was an idiot. He could have done 10X what Trump wants to do regarding immigration from Muslim countries--and 95% of the country would have either agreed--or shut up about it.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 07:49 PM (y8Foj)



He suffered from and still suffers from the NeoCon Globalist Delusion--that by gum, the whole world just wants to be like Americans, and culturally can be. They can't. And we will ruin ourselves trying to do it.

In some ways, the NeoCons were a backlash against the hate-America leftists who said the USA couldn't do anything right. But they went overboard and said the USA couldn't do anything wrong.

There ARE limits to American power, like it or not.

Our idealism must be tempered by realism.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:54 PM (ujg0T)

396 "Strongman politics are ascendant," what a jerk off quota
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:53 PM (PUmDY)

Well, Obama represented "Weak-man politics."

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 07:54 PM (y8Foj)

397 Quotation

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 07:55 PM (PUmDY)

398 I'm not sure the media or left would ever allow us to really fight like that, even for our survival, today.

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 07:24 PM (PA9oZ)

Nations that allow their fifth columns to live, much less progandize for the enemy or infiltrate their military, really shouldn't expect to win wars.

Different nations have needed different mixes of diplomacy and strength, so debating how America should use that strength will tale waaaaaaay too long. I can say that any nation that thought to take Sebastopol without a Russian nuclear response is way too damn dumb to be taken seriously. What truly gets me is that Euromaidan would never have succeeded without Obama and EU backing. You can just feel their smugness at getting a "flawless" victory against Russia, yet they were obviously shocked at Putin's response. Now they're pushing nuclear war, all to sabe their failed reputations.

Whether you think military force is needed for America's problems abroad, or not, they have more pressing concerns at home first.

Posted by: trev006 at July 18, 2018 07:55 PM (S6rSu)

399 I have to say, I supported the Iraq War, because our troops supported it, and because I didn't buy the hysteria that it was all about WMDs - 'Bush lied,' etc. - but it gives me pause that its chief supporters were people like that loathsome toad Bill Kristol.

Posted by: norrin radd, sojourner of the spaceways at July 18, 2018 07:55 PM (hEx5q)

400 Just got here.

I am one hundred percent Ukrainian. My grandparents survived the forced famine as children only to be forced to fight for Russia or Germany during WWII. (All four chose Germany which is where both couples ended up meeting, in work camps). My parents were both born in the work camps and brought to America as children, and legally became citizens (they came over sponsored by churches).

My dad has always said that Ukrainians don’t fight, they are inherently pacifists. Also he’s said that their women are the most beautiful in the world and as a female OF COURSE I AGREE...

There’s a lot more to the story but meh. My grandpa’s parents were capitalists and were repeatedly jailed after the revolution.

Posted by: Roxanne, Roxanne at July 18, 2018 07:56 PM (xU7mE)

401 Russia suppressed Ukrainians' own language as well as its (Catholic) church.

FIFY Ace.
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 07:51 PM (3HNOQ)

Soviet Union suppressed all languages in its republics for the most part. As all the church activity. Catholics were tolerated but not welcome in mother Russian for a long LONG time. Centuries. No love for Rome. Competitors.

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:56 PM (bUjCl)

402 We MUST support Browder, Khodorkovsky, Vekselberg, Fridman, Prokhorov and the memory of Berezovsky!

And we MUST oppose Putin, Deripaska, Abramovich, and the Rotenbergs!

This is what it means to truly be an American, my fellow tovarisch!

If you do not know that we MUST support Browder, Khodorkovsky, Vekselberg, Fridman, Prokhorov and the memory of Berezovsky and that we MUST oppose Putin, Deripaska, Abramovich, and the Rotenbergs then you are un-American and anti-Semite!

Posted by: Max Boot at July 18, 2018 07:56 PM (DuAZ5)

403
"Strongman politics are ascendant," what a jerk off quota
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie


https://tinyurl.com/ydcxkvfo

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 07:56 PM (IqV8l)

404 What do you call a fat oboe with a nice coiffure?

Vidal Bassoon!

Hahahahahahahahaha!
Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 07:52 PM (c+2jX)

...

My only orchestra joke is the one where the Bass viols slip out to a bar in the third movement of Beethoven's ninth symphony, and when they come back for the fourth the conductor says "Great. It's the bottom of the ninth and the bases are loaded."

Posted by: TexasDan at July 18, 2018 07:56 PM (yL25O)

405 He suffered from and still suffers from the NeoCon Globalist Delusion--that by gum, the whole world just wants to be like Americans, and culturally can be. They can't. And we will ruin ourselves trying to do it.

In some ways, the NeoCons were a backlash against the hate-America leftists who said the USA couldn't do anything right. But they went overboard and said the USA couldn't do anything wrong.

There ARE limits to American power, like it or not.

Our idealism must be tempered by realism.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:54 PM (ujg0

Yes. And, to be honest, I bought into that bullshit myself at the time. No more. Not one drop of American blood for Muslim "freedom." And yeah, not everyone wants to be American; they just want American money.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 07:57 PM (y8Foj)

406 372 The 1980s (or late 1970s) left an impression on me.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 07:49 PM (ujg0T)

Music director, morning host of my college radio station from '78-'81.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:57 PM (VM6ev)

407 The Russians at the time were Russian Orthodox. The western half of Ukraine were in Full Communion with Rome.
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 07:54 PM (3HNOQ)

That's an odd one. Polish influence most likely. But priests can marry and do. What's up with that ?

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:57 PM (bUjCl)

408 What do you throw a drowning bassoon player?

His case.


What does it take to get rid of a bagpiper?

A drone.

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 07:58 PM (3C9q2)

409
Priests can marry and do what?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:58 PM (VM6ev)

410 I recall that the word for Starvation in Russian means dancing nude in the woods in Ukrainian. Not a multi linguist, but I think this is actually true. At lest the Uke translator said it was so.

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 18, 2018 07:59 PM (vV/gB)

411 So picked up the anchor for my boat today, and its yuuuge. I'm gonna need a bigger boat.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 07:59 PM (Zmczq)

412 407 The Russians at the time were Russian Orthodox. The western half of Ukraine were in Full Communion with Rome.
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 07:54 PM (3HNOQ)

That's an odd one. Polish influence most likely. But priests can marry and do. What's up with that ?
Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 07:57 PM (bUjCl)



Eastern Rite?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 08:00 PM (ujg0T)

413 The Russians at the time were Russian Orthodox. The western half of Ukraine were in Full Communion with Rome.
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 07:54 PM (3HNOQ)

The Uniate Church. Their priests are the only priests in Communion with Rome who are allowed to marry--not counting married Anglican or Lutheran ministers who joined the RC Church

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 08:00 PM (y8Foj)

414 Japan kept her Emperor and other systems of government.

Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at July 18, 2018 07:35 PM (NlLAv)

... the difference between the Empire's military government and modern Japanese democracy is night and day man. And we occupied Japan for some time.

It probably helped that at the first sign of trouble, America would have shipped over millions of furious Chinese to finish the Japanese off forever. On the whole, I am happy cooler heads prevailed.

Posted by: trev006 at July 18, 2018 08:00 PM (S6rSu)

415 seriously. the damn thing could anchor an ocean liner.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 08:02 PM (Zmczq)

416 Eastern, Greek and Russian Orthodox priests can marry. But if they do, they can never become a bishop.

You sure about that in the Ukrainian Catholic church?

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:02 PM (3HNOQ)

417 Interesting how the Bosnia war never gets mentioned any more.

Posted by: notsothoreau at July 18, 2018 08:02 PM (JKNZq)

418
I see I am out of sync with the horde hive mind, so I'm going back to Civ VI. I am going to dominate that game one day, or die.

One day you all will miss me when I am just a mummified body in the back bedroom that no one knows about until the tax man forcloses on the property for unpaid property taxes and the sheriff investigates the odd smell.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 08:03 PM (roQNm)

419 410 I recall that the word for Starvation in Russian means dancing nude in the woods in Ukrainian. Not a multi linguist, but I think this is actually true. At lest the Uke translator said it was so.
Posted by: Puddin Head at July 18, 2018 07:59 PM

Its prObably true. I read a book about some who managed to hide and survive in the woods. The story of my maternal grandfather is that he escaped the Russian army (they put Ukrainians on the front lines) and hid in the woods for a while.

Posted by: Roxanne, Roxanne at July 18, 2018 08:03 PM (xU7mE)

420 I think the critical piece is that of people identifying themselves as a people who want to live together and govern themselves.

That's the common thread through the Ukrainians, the Kurds, and the Israelis.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 07:50 PM (ez9Rh)

self determination is a good concept, unfortunately abused a lot. gave excuse for Britain to split India in the 40's. Gave the EU excuse to dismember Yugoslavia.

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 08:03 PM (bUjCl)

421 This review is of the REMAKE of ALL quiet on the Western Front, starring Richard John Boy Walton Thomas as Paul, Ernest Borgnine as Sergeant Katz and Brian Dennehy as Western Europe.

You will recall version of the movie also ended badly for everyone, but you didn't care because John Boy was such a whiny bitch.

Posted by: Sharkman at July 18, 2018 08:04 PM (+BKF+)

422 You sure about that in the Ukrainian Catholic church?
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:02 PM (3HNOQ)

Yes, the Ukranian Catholics--connected with Rome--can marry, but they can't become bishops. Same with the Melkite (Syrian) Catholic Church.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 08:05 PM (y8Foj)

423
Priests can marry and do what?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:58 PM (VM6ev)

do marry

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 08:05 PM (bUjCl)

424 Gave the EU excuse to dismember Yugoslavia.

???

IIRC, Yugoslavia fell apart immediately after Tito's death.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:05 PM (3HNOQ)

425 AOSHQ: I learn something new everyday around here.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:06 PM (3HNOQ)

426 IIRC, Yugoslavia fell apart immediately after Tito's death.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:05 PM (3HNOQ)

The Jackson Five fell apart too.

He really was the indispensable member.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2018 08:06 PM (4ErVI)

427 Fuck, I'm late to this discussion. In case anyone hasn't made this point, Ukraine was part of the Bloodlands who had the shit beat out of them first by the commies and the Nazis. The commies reduced them to cannibalism by starving them while sending the crops to Russia. Then the Nazis pounded them as well. I appreciate where JJ is coming from but a not well educated country is going to look for scapegoats to blame having the fuck beat out of them and that meant the Jews. I'm not excusing it as much as saying why it happened.

Also if you're in an occupied country and have to make some hard choices regarding whether you and your family would live or die, it takes a very brave person to choose to not knuckle under; one willing to watch his/her family die for it.

Back to the topic, Cock Curious sold out Ukraine just like he did every other country fighting for freedom.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 18, 2018 08:06 PM (y7DUB)

428 self determination is a good concept, unfortunately abused a lot. gave excuse for Britain to split India in the 40's. Gave the EU excuse to dismember Yugoslavia.
Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 08:03 PM (bUjCl)



Meh, Jinnah was never going to agree with Gandhi, who for his part stupidly insisted upon a unitary rather than a federal nation, and the British were broke and just looking for a way out at that point.

As for Yugoslav dismemberment, demanding an artificial nation of Bosnia be created, which was chock full of Serbs wishing to be Serbian and Croats wishing to be Croatian, was doomed to fail.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 08:06 PM (ujg0T)

429 The fracking revolution made this discussion possible. A world dependent on middle east oil flowing reliably is not a happy, peaceful world.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 08:07 PM (2xR5z)

430 Roxanne Roxanne - what a story. Your parents and grandparents must be very strong people.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 08:07 PM (lwiT4)

431 self determination is a good concept, unfortunately abused a lot. gave excuse for Britain to split India in the 40's. Gave the EU excuse to dismember Yugoslavia.
Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 08:03 PM (bUjCl)


The problem is that when the desire for self determination is strong, ignoring or suppressing it just leads to further, grievous problems.

See, e.g., various countries in Africa that subsume into them tribes that historically have been hostile to each other. Even India, as you mention, had a lot of strife between the Muslims and the Hindus. Letting them go their own way was probably not such a bad thing.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 08:07 PM (ez9Rh)

432 your account of ukraine-russina relations is very one-sided and seems to be largely informed by ukranians you met.

i have been to ukraine and love it. i recommend everyone visits them for vacation - it's dirt cheap, safe, interesting and full of history. women - and even men - are stunning.

as for politics, though - there are basically 3 types of ukrainians - pro-russians/russians many of whom live in the east; virulent anti-russians (west) and large group who are in the middle. the point is - a lot of ukranian citizens are either russians or are supportive of russia or are not very much against russia. these are the people who elected yanukovich. you take current ukranian borders as a given but in fact many pro-russian ukranianias would rather be a part of russia than a part of ukraine ruled by an anti-russian president.

Posted by: hm... at July 18, 2018 08:08 PM (Zhe6p)

433 430 Roxanne Roxanne - what a story. Your parents and grandparents must be very strong people.
Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 08:07 PM (lwiT4)



I want to be her man!

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 08:08 PM (ujg0T)

434 272 Wish you were here is the greatest prog rock single album in history."

Nah, "Wish you were here" is the greatest Psychedelic Rock album in history. "Leftoverture", especially the "Magnum Opus" is the greatest Prog Rock album in the history of the Galaxy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dumOc5V_PcE

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 08:08 PM (V2Yro)

435 Moralism vs. Realism. We also see this dichotomy in politics. The left vs. the right. Although Moralism is actually virtue signaling.

I have been waiting a few days to see what's up with Lisa Page's testimony that contraindicated that demon possessed guy, what's-his-face. Or, maybe it should be what-is-his-face. Anyway, from what we get from conservative sources (real not cuckservative), she said something to the effect that shows one or both of them are lying. Why hasn't anyone used this to take Strzok down? Anybody? Bueller? Mueller?

Seriously, Trump hasn't even tweeted about this. We know Snoozy McSnoozerton has recused himself because he is warming up for his eventual dirt nap , but I have only seen a couple of items concerning this bombshell. Have we just been lied to again?

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 18, 2018 08:09 PM (9BLnV)

436 423
Priests can marry and do what?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 07:58 PM (VM6ev)

do marry

Posted by: runner

There's a celibacy joke waiting to be made

Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 18, 2018 08:09 PM (2xR5z)

437 Yikes, lotta content for later.

Meanwhile instead of just denuking the various #SSR's we should have helped them turn a few into Moscow Only killers. Because thugs are going to thug.

Posted by: DaveA at July 18, 2018 08:10 PM (FhXTo)

438 Too late, haven't read most of the comments, so maybe already covered (but probably not).


No, ace, your division of moral vs. realistic, while justifiable for purposes of discussion, in the real world is generally *not* a division that actually applies to most US national security decisions.


Why is that? Because the modern US takes up arms, almost exclusively, against vile dirtbags, genocidal tyrants, dangerous crazy people, and geopolitical foes who all happen to match one or more of those descriptions. There is, generally, a confluence of "moral" and "realist" motivations - though the "realist" ones drive the bus.


Purely "moral" interventions, of any significance, are/were quite rare. Kosovo is the only modern one of any size. Not saying it was justified on those grounds - but there wasn't even the pretense that vital interests were engaged.


We didn't flatten and incinerate and starve Germany and Japan to improve their civic culture and give women the vote etc., but those were direct consequences of our victories there.


We didn't invade Iraq in order to replace genocidal tyranny with a much more open society, but that was a direct result. An uncontainable (in the respects that mattered post-9/11), unmanageable and utterly reckless (as long demonstrated) regime posed a dilemma with only two choices. One choice was taken.


And while vile and appalling, the irresponsibility of the Dems (and cowardice of much of the GOP and "independents") in situations like Iraq should not provide a veto. Notice how the whining and hysteria died down after "the surge" (which was just the long long over-due application of common sense, quickly and easily ending the lamest "insurgency" in modern times).


But let's decide on way or the other. If enough of the country will continue to be untrustworthy with decisions involving their own security, if those involve use of force, with Dems leading the revolt the nanosecond things become "haaaaard!!", then Why TF do we have a military like we have?


For pure "defense", the US military posture could be 1/3 or 1/4 of what is now. We could use the budget savings. And the country really has revoked its own license to put its citizens in harm's way, with the behavior WRT Iraq (though I don't think it was that big an issue in the general, vs. the Dem primary, in '0. This Trump defense build up is insane - if some of his own dumbest statements on the general topic of intervention are to be taken seriously.


Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 08:10 PM (QDnY+)

439 Roxanne Roxanne - what a story. Your parents and grandparents must be very strong people.
Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 08:07 PM (lwiT4)


I want to be her man!
Posted by: Curmudgeon

So she won't have to put on the red light.

Good luck getting that out of your head.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at July 18, 2018 08:11 PM (pwT9v)

440 From Huntington: Serbia is Russian Orthodox. Croatia is Roman Catholic. Bosnia is Muslim.

They were NEVER going to become a nation.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:11 PM (3HNOQ)

441 Mont Blanc has very overrated pens.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 08:11 PM (PUmDY)

442 What does it take to get rid of a bagpiper?


A drone.
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Did I reed that correctly?

Posted by: andycanuck at July 18, 2018 08:11 PM (Evws/)

443 Went to festival at Ukranian church last week. Lotsa beauties.


Posted by: DaveA at July 18, 2018 08:12 PM (FhXTo)

444 Wish you were here is the greatest prog rock single album in history."

Nah, "Wish you were here" is the greatest Psychedelic Rock album in history. "Leftoverture", especially the "Magnum Opus" is the greatest Prog Rock album in the history of the Galaxy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dumOc5V_PcE
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 08:08 PM (V2Yro)

Not to wade in to the Prog-Rock wars, but a lot of people don't consider Pink Floyd a true "progressive" rock band.
In the Court of the Crimson King and The Yes Album are the two great prog rock albums

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 08:12 PM (y8Foj)

445 Oh - and the Ukraine example, I think, is a pretty horrible one to make your point, ace, only because it was - of course - completely mishandled by the idiots in power at the time, so much so that I don't think there's much wisdom to be drawn from it other than the already-known "don't put such fucking idiots in power".


Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 08:13 PM (QDnY+)

446 441 Mont Blanc has very overrated pens.
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The fountain pens require high quality paper with tooth. Translation, they like biters.

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 18, 2018 08:13 PM (vV/gB)

447 From Huntington: Serbia is Russian Orthodox. Croatia is Roman Catholic. Bosnia is Muslim.

They were NEVER going to become a nation.
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:11 PM (3HNOQ)

And Albania is all three....

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 08:13 PM (y8Foj)

448 "Strongman politics are ascendant,"

O dear god, YES!!! Big, strong men!!!

Posted by: Bill Kristol at July 18, 2018 08:13 PM (ARUHl)

449 Meh, Jinnah was never going to agree with Gandhi, who for his part stupidly insisted upon a unitary rather than a federal nation, and the British were broke and just looking for a way out at that point.

As for Yugoslav dismemberment, demanding an artificial nation of Bosnia be created, which was chock full of Serbs wishing to be Serbian and Croats wishing to be Croatian, was doomed to fail.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 18, 2018 08:06 PM (ujg0T)

the Brits - did the same thing in the ME, looking for a way out, left a mess.

Posted by: runner at July 18, 2018 08:14 PM (bUjCl)

450 440 From Huntington: Serbia is Russian Orthodox. Croatia is Roman Catholic. Bosnia is Muslim.

They were NEVER going to become a nation.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:11 PM (3HNOQ)

Yet you can go south and Albania has all three!

It's a mess due largely to other factors, but they are a unified country and have been for some time.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2018 08:14 PM (4ErVI)

451 I saw Holly Roman open for Stormy Daniels at the Empire State Plaza back in the noughties.

Posted by: Anachronda at July 18, 2018 07:51 PM (NmR1a)

Define "open".
Better yet, don't.

Posted by: Super-elite Deplorable Ian Galt, now with sparks of divinity at July 18, 2018 08:14 PM (8iiMU)

452 One choice was taken.

What he said.

Let's look at the field 5 years down the Trump/MbS road and ask where it would be if Saddam or all the other assholes we've killed were still there.

Posted by: DaveA at July 18, 2018 08:15 PM (FhXTo)

453 Maybe in Albania, they learned to live together because of their shared hatred of Communism.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:15 PM (3HNOQ)

454 ya, take a tour around Ukraine and one notices the abundance of talented and beautiful females. RAWR!!

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at July 18, 2018 08:15 PM (ARUHl)

455 The United States Deep State overthrew the government of Ukraine in 2004 and then again in 2014, both times with an eye toward similarly deposing the government of Russia. We are not the good guys, here.

Posted by: ZW at July 18, 2018 08:16 PM (KpJNr)

456 rhomboid, do you not think we need the military that PDT is rebuilding when being faced with half of Europe , ah shit, I just answered my own question. We are long gone and so is most of the west.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 18, 2018 08:16 PM (8T7EF)

457 You kind of forgot to mention that we were a major player and removing all of Ukraine's heavy weapons.

Posted by: Dick at July 18, 2018 08:17 PM (SRarZ)

458 Maybe in Albania, they learned to live together because of their shared hatred of Communism.
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:15 PM (3HNOQ)

Obama's blatherings notwithstanding, "Strongmen" have an ability to keep tribal feuds tamped down...

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 08:17 PM (y8Foj)

459 Also, "the Ukraine" is the name of a region. "Ukraine" is the name of a country. The same applies to "the Sudan" and "la Argentina".

Posted by: ZW at July 18, 2018 08:18 PM (KpJNr)

460 Nood

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:18 PM (3HNOQ)

461 As a lurker or many years, I have to say that this is the best article I have ever read on this site or just about any other.

Posted by: Texas 1911 at July 18, 2018 08:19 PM (Tgix9)

462 Starship Troopers is my fav prog rock song, JF

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at July 18, 2018 08:19 PM (PUmDY)

463 Thanks ace.

Ukraine is a perfect example of why treaties are mostly bull-s ... before the ink has even dried. There was no way to enforce Budapest. I'm amazed the Ukrainians bothered to sign it. Maybe everyone just wanted the loose nukes tucked safely away. The Brits showed up because their accents made the whole thing sound official.

Just as Minsk II was bull from the moment it was announced. But this time the Ukrainians didn't even get an invite.

The ukr military leadership were nothing more than office decorations - interior decor by Moscow.

Posted by: 13times at July 18, 2018 08:19 PM (K3B2k)

464 As to the topic at hand, remember Russia pumped a bunch of Russians into the Ukraine back during the heady days of communism.

They did that other places too. They also moved entire populations to other places. It really works to keep troublemakers under control.

I've not a lot of doubt that the Crimea voted to rejoin Russia. Because it's full of Russians. Russians wanted it back in the day and got limited by the Ottomans and a bunch of western powers.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2018 08:20 PM (4ErVI)

465 Bosnia was a multi ethnic state until Izetbegovic turned it Islamic with the help of Slick and the MFM

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 18, 2018 08:20 PM (y7DUB)

466 Not to wade in to the Prog-Rock wars, but a lot of people don't consider Pink Floyd a true "progressive" rock band.
In the Court of the Crimson King and The Yes Album are the two great prog rock albums
Posted by: JoeF


In the '70s, the ONLY rock band in the world with a permanent oboe player was...King Crimson!

Based on this oboe fact alone, King Crimson is automatically the greatest band of all time.

Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 08:22 PM (c+2jX)

467 460 Nood
Posted by: JAS


"Nood" is the Assyrian word for "oboe."

Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 08:23 PM (c+2jX)

468 sounds just like ww2
Britain made assurances to Poland that they couldn't meet

Posted by: Avi at July 18, 2018 08:24 PM (wA4B4)

469 Japan kept her Emperor and other systems of government. Japan didnt even apologise. the emperor just had to agree that he was done being Japan's god and done with invading non Japanese land.
Posted by: Boulder t'hobo at July 18, 2018 07:35 PM

Biographies of Douglas MacArthur show that he personally took complete credit for orchestrating that, to the point that he led the drive to absolve Hirohito from any blame for the conduct of the war, when in fact there was a lot of evidence that Hirohito was completely in sync with Tojo and the rest.

MacArthur's logic was that the Japanese obviously could be fanatical, and an American occupation while facing a angry and resistant population would be incredibly difficult and bloody. On the other hand, he also observed that they were a very obedient people, and if they were allowed to keep their Emperor, they could be ordered to Stand Down and the occupation could proceed with a minimum of trouble and expense. MacArthur saw himself as playing the part of a modern day Shogun, the man who actually controlled all power in the country, while allowing the Emperor to be a figurehead who could keep the population pacified.

It wasn't long before Mao, backed by Stalin, achieved complete control over mainland China, and every leader in America thanked their lucky stars that they had allowed MaCarthur to have his way, and that Japan had now become a peaceful and secure forward operating base for US power in the Pacific.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 08:25 PM (V2Yro)

470 Albania! Albania!
You border on the Adriatic,
your land is mostly mountainous
and your chief export is chrome!

Posted by: zombie 'coach' at July 18, 2018 08:28 PM (Evws/)

471 Both Obama and Trump as well as most Americans since about 2006 said they were against the Iraq War; yet in 2018 troops are still there as well as Syria and Afghanistan.

While serving in Iraq in 2005/2006, I would see pundits talk about how we won WW I and WW II in a few years but not mention the massive casualties suffered. War is a blood sport and you can not guarantee the length or number of casualties since your enemy also has a say in that.

Posted by: YatYas at July 18, 2018 08:36 PM (xN9Un)

472 Europe learned their lesson the last time they got over their skies...the role reversal between US and EU in the case of the Balkan civil war is striking.
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/16/world/europe-backing-germans-accepts-yugoslav-breakup.html

Posted by: markb at July 18, 2018 08:37 PM (K39F0)

473 430 Roxanne Roxanne - what a story. Your parents and grandparents must be very strong people.
Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 08:07 PM (lwiT4)

Thanks grammie. Unfortunately they never ever liked to talk about it. All we have now is what my parents know from hearing stories. My parents are in their 70s, so the history is being lost.

Posted by: Roxanne, Roxanne at July 18, 2018 08:38 PM (xU7mE)

474 Checks for wars should not be lightly written because, in the end, the checks are cashed with the blood of American soldiers.

Posted by: blake - used comment salesman at July 18, 2018 08:39 PM (WEBkv)

475 Former liberal here, turned on to your site several years ago by a Libertarian friend. Became a seen-the-light Conservative as a result of regular visits. Thank you for your educational services. This piece is a comprehensive and SANE analysis of foreign policy that continues your tradition of impressive wisdom. Carry on!

Posted by: KatNip at July 18, 2018 08:47 PM (+FtdW)

476 @474:

Beautiful simplicity there and absolutely right.

To ace's larger point, we have arrived as a point where citizen input into what should or should not prompt war is dismissed out of hand as "populism." So I should be free to dismiss out of hand needless entanglements and interventions as "imperialism," the difference being I would be right.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at July 18, 2018 08:48 PM (CDfww)

477 Sure enough, I looked in the fridge, and right there in front was a little Russian dressing.

Things are getting creepy.

Posted by: ro-man at July 18, 2018 08:49 PM (RuIsu)

478 Isn't Afghanistan Obama's War? Unless I'm mistaken, he's the dope who escalated from SF ops and various sorties to a full blown occupation.

Posted by: Fritz at July 18, 2018 08:52 PM (RfYYV)

479 330 Seeing a lot of nicks I don't recognize in this thread.
Posted by: Grey Fox at July 18, 2018 07:42 PM (bZ7mE)

===

Probably people like me. Who have been reading this blog since I got it on a Bondi Blue iMac. But I rarely post any more, since these comments are usually a scrum of in-jokes and repetitive fealty before Trump.

I mean... I mean... how you say in English? I have checque to cash from Soros, yesss?

Posted by: Dr. Spaceman at July 18, 2018 09:00 PM (HCeK1)

480 Just getting to this one - glad I read every word.

(Standing ovation.)

You know what I liked about 2000 Presidential candidate George W Bush? That he said he wasn't into "nation building". Yeah, I know 9/11 changed a lot of minds about a lot of things, but his fundamental misread of the fickleness of the modern American electorate - who expect everything to be wrapped-up in a 22-minute episode plus commercials - was unforgivable.

Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 09:03 PM (9TYxj)

481 Top notch content. Thank you, Mr. Ace!

Posted by: Chris M at July 18, 2018 09:06 PM (6XZdO)

482 You know what I liked about 2000 Presidential candidate George W Bush? That he said he wasn't into "nation building". Yeah, I know 9/11 changed a lot of minds about a lot of things, but his fundamental misread of the fickleness of the modern American electorate - who expect everything to be wrapped-up in a 22-minute episode plus commercials - was unforgivable.
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 09:03 PM (9TYxj)


At the very beginning of the war on terror he stressed that it would be long but then was an absolute failure in terms of regularly speaking to the public on the progress of the war. It was inexcusable that he didn't do that, and I hold that fat fuck Rove in complete contempt for not banging on him regularly to do it, because it allowed the donk/MFM complex to set the narrative. This isn't revisionist history because I was bitching about it at the time; in fact a former 'ette told me that Karen Hughes was the only person in the administration who would bang on GWB to keep the public informed, and when she left the administration that all ended.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 18, 2018 09:16 PM (y7DUB)

483 Late to this thread (busy day and I am west coast), but please, PLEASE Ace, it is not 'the Ukraine' but Ukraine.
As I've said before in other threads, my heritage is Ukrainian. My father was born here but grew up under the Soviet thumb and during WW II as a young man nearly starved to death in a German labour camp, and I have the German traveling papers of his and my uncle. I went to school with kids whose grandparents ate the family dog to survive the Famine.

He was one of those pro-Reagan Americans, who thought RR was the only one who truly understood the evil. So this is a topic near my heart.
I think you make some great points, but what I cannot emphasize enough is that the US could have helped Ukraine when Russia annexed Crimea, even covertly - we have done it before with other nations. Knowing that the EU were a bunch of pussies, we could have organized maneuvers potentially during the most risky period of facing off versus Russia, offered them tactical or material support through covert means. It is in our best interest to have a strong bulwark against Russian domination because lets face it, it is really Soviet domination.

But no, the US abandoned Ukraine utterly, and this isn't the first time. Ukraine gave up the nukes in her territory after the wall fell, with the assurance the US would support her; that's not turned out well.
Let's also not forget the clusterfuck that was S. Ossetia in Georgia too; when it comes to supporting our allies who were former Soviet sphere nations, our record is dismal.

So where do we go from here with these two? I feel Russia is flexing its muscles - let's face it, Putin is a lowlife sack of Communist scum - and testing our resolve. They don't want to directly threaten us - we still have superiority in tech and equipment - so this is what they do, try to recapture their empire bit by bit.
Probably no one will see this, but I had to say my peace.

Posted by: atomicplaygirl - I survived GNAMM 2017 and all I got was this lousy nic at July 18, 2018 09:16 PM (Gim9y)

484 We could have just bombed all suspected WMD sites and presidential palaces and all the other places we suspected there might have been WMDs. And then rebombed them. And then bombed them six months later, in case we thought they had started those sites back producing WMDs.

That would have been far less costly a war.

Posted by: ace at July 18, 2018 06:50 PM (PA9oZ)

Less costly, but substantially riskier, imo.

You're still stoking a long running hot war by bombing things regularly, but mostly relient on aerial and satellite surveillance to identify the threats. If they keep a bunker secret and successfully develop a functioning nuke under those circumstances they'll probably feel completely justified in using it on us.

It's not the same human cost, but it is still a very dangerous proposition. It's almost like toying with wounded prey at that point.

Posted by: Sjg at July 18, 2018 09:17 PM (gDSJf)

485 18


Why is it THE Bronx?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Follow and Lick Me On Fakebook at July 18, 2018 06:46 PM (90V40)

The Bronx is a borough, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, it absolutely should NOT be the Ukraine.

Posted by: atomicplaygirl - I survived GNAMM 2017 and all I got was this lousy nic at July 18, 2018 09:18 PM (Gim9y)

486 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 18, 2018 06:51 PM (VM6ev)

I don't know where you get that idea about Ukraine - my father's family hid Jews fleeing Hitler in the haystacks on their farm, and risked their lives to do so, and knew many others who did. When Ukraine was occupied by Germany, you 'had' to be anti-Semitic.

Posted by: atomicplaygirl - I survived GNAMM 2017 and all I got was this lousy nic at July 18, 2018 09:23 PM (Gim9y)

487 Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 08:25 PM (V2Yro)

Japan has a pretty long history of the emperor often being a mostly ceremonial position and most of the political and military power held by those nominally in service to him.

It was a fairly frequent occurance in Imperial China as well for the ministers and generals to hold the real power.

The renunciation of being a deity was the important concession, not the so much position itself. Strip away the motivation for the suicidal aggression while maintaining a sense of familiarity for the occupied.

Posted by: Sjg at July 18, 2018 09:50 PM (gDSJf)

488 Well written Ace

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 18, 2018 10:01 PM (jbyD0)

489 440 From Huntington: Serbia is Russian Orthodox. Croatia is Roman Catholic. Bosnia is Muslim.

They were NEVER going to become a nation.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 08:11 PM (3HNOQ)

Orthodox Christianity is divided into a number of national churches headed by Patriarchs. These churches are autocephalous, meaning that they are self-ruled but maintain unity with the other Orthodox churches via communion.

Serbia is not Russian Orthodox. Serbia has her own Patriarch and is an autocephalous church on the same equal footing as the Russian Orthodox Church. Georgia is another Orthodox nation that has her own autocephalous church as well.

Ukraine doesn't have an autocephalous church due to the east Slavic region traditionally being the de jure territory of the Patriarch of Moscow.

Posted by: Stephen Hall at July 18, 2018 10:22 PM (8UcPk)

490 Greetings:

Victoria Nuland seems to be resurfacing lately on various news and opinion shows. Apparently she's something of a C-level something or other at some kind of NGO type something or other.

Also, she doesn't seem to remember anything about one Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: 11B40 at July 18, 2018 10:38 PM (evgyj)

491 That was outstanding Ace. Bravo.

Posted by: Rail lurker at July 18, 2018 11:18 PM (45xbG)

492 Ukraine gave up the nukes in her territory after the wall fell, with the assurance the US would support her; that's not turned out well.
Let's also not forget the clusterfuck that was S. Ossetia in Georgia too; when it comes to supporting our allies who were former Soviet sphere nations, our record is dismal.

So where do we go from here with these two? I feel Russia is flexing its muscles - let's face it, Putin is a lowlife sack of Communist scum - and testing our resolve. They don't want to directly threaten us - we still have superiority in tech and equipment - so this is what they do, try to recapture their empire bit by bit.
Probably no one will see this, but I had to say my peace.
Posted by: atomicplaygirl - I survived GNAMM 2017 and all I got was this lousy nic at July 18, 2018 09:16 PM (Gim9y)

I was gonna bring up the nuke thing earlier...we did promise them that. I also don't know why people don't think Putin is evil. He is a murdering, evil sociopath who has displayed unsettling behaviors.

I'm glad you posted atomicplaygirl, and I'm glad I saw it.

Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 19, 2018 01:22 AM (CiCKR)

493 how will we identify each other on the ramparts?
we need a watchword.

Posted by: jg at July 19, 2018 01:23 AM (DkFCF)

Former Trump NSC Spokesman Michael Anton: Citizenship Should Not be a Birthright

Not a cuck.

A Supreme Court confirmation fight always raises constitutional hopes and stokes constitutional fears. With one more justice, they'll repeal Obamacare! If they get one more justice, they'll overturn Roe v. Wade ! To arms!

These periodic, now-inevitable freak-outs are a sad by-product of our country's drift away from political rule and over-investiture of power in the judiciary. But happily, the most urgent constitutional challenge of our time needn't wait on a court ruling. Each political branch of government has the constitutional authority needed to fix it.

I refer, here, to ending birthright citizenship.

The notion that simply being born within the geographical limits of the United States automatically confers U.S. citizenship is an absurdity -- historically, constitutionally, philosophically and practically.

Constitutional scholar Edward Erler has shown that the entire case for birthright citizenship is based on a deliberate misreading of the 14th Amendment. The purpose of that amendment was to resolve the question of citizenship for newly freed slaves. Following the Civil War, some in the South insisted that states had the right to deny citizenship to freedmen. In support, they cited 1857's disgraceful Dred Scott v. Sandford decision, which held that no black American could ever be a citizen of the United States.

A constitutional amendment was thus necessary to overturn Dred Scott and to define the precise meaning of American citizenship.

...

Some will argue that the Supreme Court has already settled this issue, establishing birthright citizenship in United States v. Wong Kim Ark. But this is wrong. The court has only ruled that children of legal residents are citizens. That doesn't change the status of children born to people living here illegally.

...

The problem can be fixed easily. Congress could clarify legislatively that the children of noncitizens are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, and thus not citizens under the 14th Amendment. But given the open-borders enthusiasm of congressional leaders of both parties, that's unlikely.

It falls, then, to Trump. An executive order could specify to federal agencies that the children of noncitizens are not citizens.

...

Birthright citizenship was a mistake whose time has gone.

Although the courts would surely rule such an EO unconstitutional, Anton seems to be proposing that Trump dare them to so rule it, and he also seems to be arguing that the President, who is a co-equal partner with the Courts, insist that his authority is just as strong as the courts', and basically take the Jacksonian position vis a vis the courts. (IIRC: "The courts have made their ruling; now let them enforce it.")

Seems a bit unlikely, but I like where his head's at.

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 05:27 PM




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1 Rresh one!

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 05:27 PM (yJ9Jf)

2 trifecta of willowedness.

Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 05:28 PM (Z48ZB)

3 With misspellings in the comments already!

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 05:28 PM (yJ9Jf)

4 * stops playing accordion *

Fresh thread smell!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 18, 2018 05:29 PM (fA1SL)

5 Uh, right now the courts are ignoring flagrant illegal aliens. I like his moxie, but it's a huge waste of time.

The President has been making very reasonable immigration decisiona thus far. I agree this needs to be done, but we have bigger problems.

Posted by: trev006 at July 18, 2018 05:30 PM (S6rSu)

6 What was that scene in [Kingsman of all the heads exploding. Such an EO would have a similar effect I believe. Go Trump!

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 05:30 PM (TSuBZ)

7 *prepares to fire for effect in the direction of the next accordion sound*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 05:30 PM (fuK7c)

8 Hmmmm, let me think on this a bit

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 05:30 PM (pHfeF)

9 read it. Rookie mistake.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 05:30 PM (Zmczq)

10 Let's do this thing. A bit late, but let's do it.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 18, 2018 05:30 PM (fA1SL)

11 Bandersnatch has an Accordionwerfer?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 05:31 PM (TSuBZ)

12 How many Divisions them Courts got?

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 05:31 PM (J0CvP)

13 take the Jacksonian position vis a vis the courts. (IIRC: "The courts have made their ruling; now let them enforce it.")
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That would be one big conflagration of lib hair.

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:31 PM (vDqXW)

14 11. He fears the war-drum of the SMR.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 18, 2018 05:31 PM (fA1SL)

15 Just getting born here by a non citizen, sure that should disqualify you outright.
But has me thinking even beyond this.

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 05:31 PM (pHfeF)

16 Verry interesting

Posted by: Sgt. Schultz at July 18, 2018 05:31 PM (LISuA)

17 Fucking finally!

Posted by: Hobbiehawk at July 18, 2018 05:32 PM (Qot/z)

18 Would Maxine Waters Hair combust or explode?

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 05:32 PM (TSuBZ)

19 Can we get rid of all the mexicans?

Posted by: Mr. Garrison at July 18, 2018 05:32 PM (J0CvP)

20 There are some Americans born here of American parents that I'd like to persuade to leave as well.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, dedicated to coffee at July 18, 2018 05:32 PM (LISuA)

21
How many Divisions them Courts got?
Posted by: garrett


Who writes the checks?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 05:32 PM (IqV8l)

22 I say Trump should go for it and see if it spurs Congress to start doing its actual job for once.

Posted by: kathysaysso at July 18, 2018 05:32 PM (vkS2Z)

23
The Houston World Series of Dog Shows runs until Sunday. It's only Wednesday and I'm already exhausted.
We started at 8:00 AM and won't be done here until nearly 7:00. Then go home and go to work.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 18, 2018 05:33 PM (CIRpK)

24 Wong Kim Ark was a deliberate misreading of the 14th amendment. Yes trump could kill it with an EO but then some Obama judge in HI or CA would overrule him. Yes, congress needs act and pass some new immigration laws that undo a lot of Obama shit.


But the Dems would oppose it and the RNCe would help them.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 18, 2018 05:33 PM (mpXpK)

25 Anton's right---but good luck with that.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:33 PM (y8Foj)

26 I like Mexicans. It's the Frenchies I'd like to get rid of.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, dedicated to coffee at July 18, 2018 05:33 PM (LISuA)

27 "The problem can be fixed easily. Congress could clarify legislatively that the children of noncitizens are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, and thus not citizens under the 14th Amendment."

And the citizens would support the clarification or an Amendment that clarifies the 14th. The problem, however, isn't the voter; it's Congress. They'll never, ever do it. Not ever. Because they don't represent citizens in this matter; they represent interests.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at July 18, 2018 05:33 PM (6eEQ+)

28
hear, hear!

Posted by: concrete girl at July 18, 2018 05:34 PM (BVthB)

29 Citizenship isn't, apparently, a bar for voting, owning property, collecting government benefits, being defended in court pro bono, or any other damned thing we used to consider a perk of citizenship.

So, who cares what they are called? If there are here, they get stuff, on my dime.

Until we get serious about deporting all of them, citizenship means about as much as one person-one vote. It just doesn't exist in any meaningful form any more.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 18, 2018 05:34 PM (7UW64)

30 Stop deferring to the Court.

To do so affirms that the Three Branches are not Co-Equal.

Do what you want to do ... and see what power the Court has to respond.

Pro-Tip ... History says The Court will make a big fucking deal about how they find The Executive's Use of Power was legal all along.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 05:34 PM (fiGNd)

31 Sum Ting Wong with Wong Kim Ark.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 05:34 PM (IqV8l)

32 I am not here.

Casper will be my stand in.

Don't be skeerd (sic)...he is a friendly ghost.

Muahahahahaha

He is also a US citizen. He's not sure if Zombies should be citizens.

Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 05:34 PM (CiCKR)

33 How to easily annex Canada.

Promise them if they vote to join the US, Quebec becomes a free country.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 05:34 PM (TSuBZ)

34 Do it you magnificent bastard!!!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 05:34 PM (Zmczq)

35 Sorry, this is idiocy. A gross misreading of what can be done by an Executive Order. Trump can order the Executive Branch not to treat them as citizens, but an EO has absolutely no binding power on the Court System. Any Federal Judge in the country can overturn that EO, and then it will go to the Supreme Court. And, absent congressional legislation or a constitutional amendment, Trump will lose 9-0, the humiliating blow that the left and the deep stated are dying to see happen to him.

Again, this proposal may feel good for a moment, but this is as stupid on our side as the attempt to abolish ICE is on the dems side.

Get Congress to change the rule - Yes. Pass a Constitutional Amendment - Yes. Have Trump do it with an EO? No, no, no, no, no. Absolute disaster if that is attempted.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 05:35 PM (k1TUh)

36 Great, now I'll never be able to sleep tonight with this schadenboner.

#Winning: it's what's for breakfast, lunch, and dinner ...

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 05:35 PM (dHJpq)

37 Free chocolate cake should be a birth right, though ...

Posted by: Adriane the Political Elite Critic ... at July 18, 2018 05:35 PM (AoK0a)

38 I'm just gonna come up here and let you finish but first I wanna say, George Washington, that you had a good presidency...but trump is really the real winner of the best presidecny ever.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at July 18, 2018 05:36 PM (GV6hq)

39 Sure the EO is probably illegal but watch all the feckless fops in Congress and the seditious courts show the American people what traitors they are. And just before November.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 05:36 PM (TSuBZ)

40 20 There are certainly a lot of Leftists who should be tossed out, Ocasia Cortez is sure capitalism is on its way out so why should she stay because capitalism isn't going anywhere.

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 05:36 PM (pHfeF)

41
We are criminals in the eyes of the enlightened world for not letting everyone who wants to come here into our racist, misogynist, rapist, war-mongering, ruled-by-literally-Hitler craphole of a country.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 18, 2018 05:36 PM (CIRpK)

42 38 I'm just gonna come up here and let you finish but first I wanna say, George Washington, that you had a good presidency...but trump is really the real winner of the best presidecny ever.
Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at July 18, 2018 05:36 PM (GV6hq)


Kanye, sit down.

Posted by: Taylor Swift at July 18, 2018 05:37 PM (CiCKR)

43 seems to be arguing that the President, who is a co-equal partner with the Courts, insist that his authority is just as strong as the courts

SCOTUS has never held that babies born to illegals or tourists are US citizens.

Unless and until there is a SCOTUS ruling, POTUS should take the position that babies of illegals and tourists are not US citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment.

Posted by: Huh? What chu talkin bout Willis? at July 18, 2018 05:37 PM (DuAZ5)

44 one justice's misreading of the 14th (?) amendment to extend birthright to all folks here forever and forever and not to clarifying the children of freed slaves or whatever in 1865 are american citizens, whatever the southern states try to pull

it's dicta

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at July 18, 2018 05:37 PM (GV6hq)

45 Weren't there a bunch of articles from lefties recently handwringing over Russian birth-tourism? Maybe there's more support on the other side for ending birthright citizenship than one might expect.

Posted by: Xander Crews at July 18, 2018 05:38 PM (hmzzf)

46 24 Wong Kim Ark was a deliberate misreading of the 14th amendment. "

The Supreme Court isn't Final because it is always right, th Supreme Court is Always Right because it is Final.

people on the losing side of every Supreme Court case that has been heard for the last 200 years all say that the Supreme Court "deliberately misread the law." Whenever anyone says those words, they should do so while holding their forefinger and thumb at a right angle on their forehead.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 05:38 PM (k1TUh)

47
The Mexicans and the Frenchies are one thing. Those hook-nosed, conniving Phoenician goniffs are quite another.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 18, 2018 05:39 PM (CIRpK)

48 Get Congress to change the rule - Yes. Pass a
Constitutional Amendment - Yes. Have Trump do it with an EO? No, no,
no, no, no. Absolute disaster if that is attempted.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 05:35 PM (k1TUh)

*Looks down at wilting schadenboner*

Thanks a bunch Tom.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 18, 2018 05:39 PM (Zmczq)

49 Citizen Tests For ALL!

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 05:39 PM (J0CvP)

50 ICE has been raiding California for hotels that cater to Chinese birthright tourism.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 05:39 PM (TSuBZ)

51 Make it retroactive to 1965.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2018 05:39 PM (4ErVI)

52 Wong Kim Ark was a deliberate misreading of the 14th amendment. Yes trump could kill it with an EO but then some Obama judge in HI or CA would overrule him. Yes, congress needs act and pass some new immigration laws that undo a lot of Obama shit.


But the Dems would oppose it and the RNCe would help them.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 18, 2018 05:33 PM (mpXpK)
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Plus that, but thanks to the way the courts have ruled on things, if birthright citizenship is considered a right--thanks to Robert B. Fucking Taney, they cannot be stripped of that "right" by legislation, but only by substantive due process.

It's kind of what happened in California with the gays. Prop 8 was not enforced, a bunch of municipalities started marrying gays like crazy, and then it was ruled that you could only unmarry these people by taking each couple to court--because it had already been cited that marriage was a *right*.

That would bifurcate our legal process, with judges not accepting that it can be undone by legislation--because a lot of them DO believe in a suicide pact these days--and an executive that refuses to listen to the council of the courts.

Which is why I think we ought to amend the Constitution to slap judges with slimy fish.

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:39 PM (vDqXW)

53 We're so racist we elect latina commies to high office, plus, we like our races so mixed we elected the first black AND white commie to the presidency. That's just how we roll, us racists.

And we hate women so much we let Maxine Waters and Frederica Wilson and Nancy Pelosi get rich off their "public service" and keep sending them back for more. That's just how misogynist we really are.

And Trump is such a Nazi that he....well.... okay, I'm stumped on this one. What was it he supposedly did? He didn't. So, not a Nazi.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 18, 2018 05:40 PM (7UW64)

54 Until we get serious about deporting all of them, citizenship means about as much as one person-one vote. It just doesn't exist in any meaningful form any more.

Posted by: tcn in AK



You are upset because they just closed the last Blockbuster in AK.

Posted by: Braenyard _now serving Buffalo Chips to the DNC at July 18, 2018 05:40 PM (VeUrT)

55 There are a lot of illegal Russians up here...

I want them out, too.

Also. That illegal who started the Colorado Wildfires. Hang him and then bill his country of origin for damages.

Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 05:40 PM (J0CvP)

56 Sorry, this is idiocy. A gross misreading of what can be done by an Executive Order.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 05:35 PM (k1TUh)


Tom ... Republicans are way too wrapped up with the notion of Law.

We are at the Power stage of the game.

Trump ... use the Power of the Executive. And then watch, and laugh, at how quickly the Courts decide that The Golden Scalp-Weasel's Use of Executive Power was The Most Lawful Thing Ever.

Do it, Trump. And secure a Second Term.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 05:40 PM (fiGNd)

57 Accordion Solo!

Posted by: Archer at July 18, 2018 05:41 PM (gmo/4)

58 Sorry, this is idiocy. A gross misreading of what can be done by an Executive Order [by a republican president].

-

FIFY

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at July 18, 2018 05:42 PM (GV6hq)

59 You are upset because they just closed the last Blockbuster in AK.
Posted by: Braenyard _now serving Buffalo Chips to the DNC at July 18, 2018 05:40 PM (VeUrT)

Well, it isn't gone yet, but it's damned close.

And yes, they still have VHS tapes, if you want to pick some up cheap.

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 18, 2018 05:42 PM (7UW64)

60 57 Accordion Solo!
Posted by: Archer at July 18, 2018 05:41 PM (gmo/4)

Who knew she could do that with her asshole?

Posted by: tcn in AK at July 18, 2018 05:42 PM (7UW64)

61 The current situation allows for poeple to enter US illegally, commit terrorist acts, have a child and that child is a US citizen. How stupid is that?

There is a rule that children of diplomats born in other countries do not become citizens of those other countries. Why should the average joe be exempt from that rule?

Posted by: Decaf at July 18, 2018 05:43 PM (Mymqt)

62 Illegal aliens are no more subject to the jurisdiction of the United States then were the Indian tribes when the Constitution was written.

I mean the absurdity here is large. If a Japanese soldier in World War II impregnated a Korean comfort girl on Alaskan soil would that child have been a citizen?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 18, 2018 05:44 PM (+DkQm)

63 If one is too young to vote, pay taxes, - is he truly a citizen?

Posted by: Fritz at July 18, 2018 05:44 PM (RfYYV)

64 Well, Congress would act quickly. But it would certainly flush out the open borders scum who inhabit its halls.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 18, 2018 05:44 PM (wYseH)

65 >>>50 ICE has been raiding California for hotels that cater to Chinese birthright tourism.

I'm not an American, but I did sleep in a Holliday Inn Express last night.

Posted by: Mother with Chinese triplets at 8 months. at July 18, 2018 05:44 PM (3Pm7a)

66 The CoC and Clan Bush's mortal enemy this guy.

Posted by: Barack Obama at July 18, 2018 05:44 PM (r9UYA)

67 49 Citizen Tests For ALL!
Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 05:39 PM (J0CvP)


Except illegal Mexicans. (Don't need to know. Love is all we need.)

Except Millenials (tl;dr test)

Except Socialists/Communists (don't agree with it)

Except POC (white privilege test is unfair to them.)

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi, Jeb Bush, Al Sharpton, HRC, et.al. at July 18, 2018 05:44 PM (CiCKR)

68 off mocha latte sock

Posted by: Under Fire at July 18, 2018 05:45 PM (r9UYA)

69 >>>And yes, they still have VHS tapes, if you want to pick some up cheap.

I need to return some video tapes.

Posted by: Patrick Bateman at July 18, 2018 05:46 PM (3Pm7a)

70 All this deep thinking over how PDT the 11th level chessmaster could write an EO that would challenge SCOTUS, blah blah blah...

Just. Build. The. F*cking. Wall.

Posted by: Hands at July 18, 2018 05:47 PM (EzdLW)

71 Ann Coulter, 2010, from 'Human Events':

The very author of the citizenship clause, Sen. Jacob Howard of
Michigan, expressly said: "This will not, of course, include persons
born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the
families of ambassadors or foreign ministers."

https://tinyurl.com/o7r6lk8

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 05:47 PM (KxbBq)

72
I think that a constitutional amendment from the states could clarify this. So we need 2/3 of the state legislatures which I think is possible.

I would propose the language say 1 parent as citizen gives you citizenship no matter where born in the world. With dna, this is easily verifiable.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2018 05:47 PM (r+sAi)

73 Sorry, this is idiocy. A gross misreading of what
can be done by an Executive Order.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 05:35 PM (k1TUh)

I understand your point, but congress has ignored its responsibilities for years by allowing federal departments to, essentially, make law via interpretation of congressional regulation.

So Trump could easily assist the State Department and the various other agencies..via executive order...in clarifying the law that governs citizenship.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 18, 2018 05:47 PM (wYseH)

74 So I'm a citizen of any country right? Checking the map for nymphostan. Oh there it is, right next boobiestan.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 18, 2018 05:48 PM (f2wz/)

75 All this deep thinking over how PDT the 11th level chessmaster could write an EO that would challenge SCOTUS, blah blah blah...
--------------------------------------------

Let Anton write it.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:48 PM (y8Foj)

76 Citizen Tests For ALL!
Posted by: garrett at July 18, 2018 05:39 PM (J0CvP)



Not Muslims though, their "religion" demands a caliphate, so they get a religious exception.

Posted by: Keith Ellison at July 18, 2018 05:49 PM (CiCKR)

77 Also, there is another SCOTUS ruling on immigrant citizenship besides Wong Kim Ark IIANNM it was a case arising in TX over sending children to TX schools and the expense to property owners.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 18, 2018 05:49 PM (mpXpK)

78 All this deep thinking over how PDT the 11th level chessmaster could write an EO that would challenge SCOTUS, blah blah blah...

Just. Build. The. F*cking. Wall.
Posted by: Hands at July 18, 2018 05:47 PM (EzdLW)


We have a winner. Collect your prize at the cash window.

And let's see how the Supreme Court shuts down a Construction Crew. Or the Federal Courts.

Exactly how much power do they have ... if nobody else cares ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 05:49 PM (fiGNd)

79 I have heard of the US Pregnancy tour for years.

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 05:50 PM (pHfeF)

80 re 62: that Coulter piece I posted above noted that, if I recall correctly, a late 19th century Supreme Court ruling that said that Indians were not citizens because they were under tribal jurisdiction. Too lazy to go back and get the exact quote.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 05:50 PM (KxbBq)

81 Illegal and questionable foreigners birthing babies in America is a worldwide industry and it must be stopped. Period.

Posted by: Eromero at July 18, 2018 05:50 PM (zLDYs)

82 Just. Build. The. F*cking. Wall.
Posted by: Hands at July 18, 2018 05:47 PM (EzdLW)


Now. Please. We will even help. Freely.

Posted by: Actual American Citizens at July 18, 2018 05:50 PM (CiCKR)

83 Not Muslims though, their "religion" demands a caliphate, so they get a religious exception.
Posted by: Keith Ellison at July 18, 2018 05:49 PM
(CiCKR)

So let's give them Caliph-ornia and be done with it....

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:51 PM (y8Foj)

84 The constitution really is a suicide pact.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 05:51 PM (IqV8l)

85 Why would being a ward-of-the-state be conflated with being an active citizen?

Posted by: Fritz at July 18, 2018 05:51 PM (RfYYV)

86 It occurred to me today...

What is the difference between the 29 y.o. Russian female student and the illegal immigrant rabble rousers that visit Senators and Representatives and attend public functions and then report back to their "handlers"?

There should be thousands in jail.

Posted by: Joe McCarthy at July 18, 2018 05:51 PM (If3tB)

87 I posted above noted that, if I recall correctly, a late 19th century Supreme Court ruling that said that Indians were not citizens because they were under tribal jurisdiction. Too lazy to go back and get the exact quote.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 05:50 PM (KxbBq)
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It's what was clearly meant by "subject to its jurisdiction".

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:51 PM (vDqXW)

88
I have heard of the US Pregnancy tour for years.
Posted by: Skip


Was that Heart and Blondie?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 05:52 PM (IqV8l)

89 sock fail.

Posted by: golfman at July 18, 2018 05:52 PM (If3tB)

90 The constitution really is a suicide pact.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 05:51 PM (IqV8l)
---
It's just been turned into one by our betters, our experts in law, our judges.

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:52 PM (vDqXW)

91 This is a DAMN fine idea!!

Posted by: hobbitopoly at July 18, 2018 05:53 PM (MX7xj)

92 Changing the absurd citizen rights if born here with the current Leftists No Borders is going to be a up hill fight.

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 05:53 PM (pHfeF)

93 "the Jacksonian argument": Not totally unrelated, but an argument against Jackson's legitimacy was that he was born at sea, not in South Carolina (Waxhaw, now in North Carolina) as he maintained.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at July 18, 2018 05:53 PM (C7o9e)

94 iirc
_Diane Feinstein's husband is Bechtel.
_Nancy Pelosi's family has an offshore canning factory and onshore vinyard/winery.
_Jane Harmon's husband is Harmon of Harmon Kardon speakers.
_Maxine Waters' husband is a bank.


Looks like they are/were very exclusive K Street operatives.


Posted by: Braenyard _now serving Buffalo Chips to the DNC at July 18, 2018 05:53 PM (VeUrT)

95
Trump needs zombie Robert Moses to build the wall, especially if tolls can be charged.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 18, 2018 05:53 PM (CIRpK)

96 Weren't there a bunch of articles from lefties recently handwringing over Russian birth-tourism? Maybe there's more support on the other side for ending birthright citizenship than one might expect.
Posted by: Xander Crews at July 18, 2018 05:38 PM (hmzzf)


I suspect those exact same people support Central American birth-tourism.

The handwringing over Russians is just because Russians are the boogeymen du jour.

Posted by: Emmie at July 18, 2018 05:53 PM (4HMW8)

97
Oooh, that would be awesome, let american citizens bring fence, blocks, rocks, whatever to the border. Take a weekend once a year and go to the border.
You know damn well some people would just move there and start building. Just allow it by law.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 18, 2018 05:53 PM (r+sAi)

98 Illegal and questionable foreigners birthing babies in America is a worldwide industry and it must be stopped. Period. no basis for conferring citizenship.


Posted by: Eromero at July 18, 2018 05:50 PM (zLDYs)

Posted by: Dennis the Peasant at July 18, 2018 05:54 PM (QLvwG)

99 If birthright citizenship is ended, will that clear out the maternity wards in the border states, or will they still come for the "indigent" free healthcare?

Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned at July 18, 2018 05:54 PM (h8kDo)

100 The constitution really is a suicide pact.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 05:51 PM (IqV8l)
---
It's just been turned into one by our betters, our experts in law, our judges.
Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 05:52 PM (vDqXW)

Because for too long the Democrats have been allowed to turn SCOTUS into their own personal "Congress of Last Resort" to get the green light on things they could never get passed by the real Congress --whose members, unlike the judges--are subject to the oversight of voters.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:55 PM (y8Foj)

101 To be clear, the issue at the heart of his case is the very plain wording of the 14th Amendment: "All Persons born OR naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

As to what LEGALLY defines "Subject to the Jurisdiction of the United States", I point those who are curious to 31 CFR 515.329, and 515.330 , of the current Federal Code.

Briefly put, ANY person within the United States physically is legally defined as being Subject to the Jurisdiction of the United States. This is not philosophy, or rhetoric - this is current Black Letter Law as passed by the US Congress. Every US Court is sworn to uphold this law.

THIS is why Trump cannot change this with an EO. No President can change Black Letter Law that has been passed by Congress. Only Congress can do that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 05:55 PM (k1TUh)

102 93 "the Jacksonian argument": Not totally unrelated, but an argument against Jackson's legitimacy was that he was born at sea, not in South Carolina (Waxhaw, now in North Carolina) as he maintained.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at July 18, 2018 05:53 PM (C7o9e)

They performed the custom of the time and threw him in the water to see if he would sink or swim and he ended up swimming to Waxhaw where he was given citizenship.

It's a little known story in American history.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2018 05:55 PM (4ErVI)

103
Too lazy to go back and get the exact quote.

This phrase would be in every footnote of Justice Barack Obama's opinions.


Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 18, 2018 05:56 PM (CIRpK)

104 I have heard of the US Pregnancy tour for years.
Posted by: Skip

---
The Chinese have been doing this for years, of course, but I was surprised to learn the Russians flock to Miami on B2 visas for medical treatment:

https://www.tourism-review.com/birth-tourism-in-the-us-to-end-news5286

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 05:56 PM (gUCYC)

105 I saw a birthright werewolf ordering the Wong Kim Ark seafood platter at Lee Ho Fook's

Posted by: Zombie Warren Zevon at July 18, 2018 05:56 PM (EzdLW)

106 Countries who allow dual citizenship are working on subversion. When I was a pup, kids born overseas who had dual citizenships had to declare at age 21 which one they were keeping.

Disgusted by the Mexican citizens voting in US elections as dual citizens mostly from seeing German/Turkish duals. Jorge Ramos as a well-known example. Talk about interfering in elections!

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 18, 2018 05:57 PM (MIKMs)

107 @35: see #13

Posted by: The Inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at July 18, 2018 05:57 PM (f5Wtc)

108 Speaking of judicial overreach, I see the California Supreme Court just knocked down Drapers plan to split it into three communist states.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 18, 2018 05:58 PM (qRp3J)

109 Do Russian babies vote Republican?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 05:58 PM (IqV8l)

110 We are making the mistake of discounting the 4th branch of government. The department of justice.

Tell me I am wrong that; they do not rule this country?

Posted by: Heart at July 18, 2018 05:58 PM (LIhNq)

111
I saw a birthright werewolf ordering the Wong Kim Ark seafood platter at Lee Ho Fook's

Posted by: Zombie Warren Zevon at July 18, 2018 05:56 PM (EzdLW)

How was his hair?

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 05:58 PM (QLvwG)

112 re 103: if Justice Obama were anything like Sen Obama, he would just concur with whatever the other leftists wrote.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 05:59 PM (KxbBq)

113 Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 05:55 PM (k1TUh)



Being physically within the United States may make you subject to jurisdiction (you kill someone - you go to jail), but it doesn't make you a citizen. If my cousin from Sweden visits me, it doesn't make her a citizen just because she's at a Cubs game.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 05:59 PM (lwiT4)

114 BTW, heard some talking head recently say that Justice Scalia opposed an Article V Convention of the States.

Anybody know if this is true and why, or should I get off my lazy ass and figure it out for myself?

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 05:59 PM (dHJpq)

115 Do Russian babies vote Republican?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 05:58 PM (IqV8l)

Depends on who Uncle Vlad tells them to vote for

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 05:59 PM (y8Foj)

116 Grammie, is jello salad a thing in Sweden?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 05:59 PM (gUCYC)

117 If my cousin from Sweden visits me, it doesn't make her a citizen just because she's at a Cubs game.

Cousin from Sweden.

Is she single?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 06:00 PM (fuK7c)

118 Speaking of judicial overreach, I see the California Supreme Court just knocked down Drapers plan to split it into three communist states.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 18, 2018 05:58 PM (qRp3J)

-------------

I'm thinking that is a good thing. I do not want to see 4 more Cali Dem Senators.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 06:00 PM (yJ9Jf)

119 111


I saw a birthright werewolf ordering the Wong Kim Ark seafood platter at Lee Ho Fook's



Posted by: Zombie Warren Zevon at July 18, 2018 05:56 PM (EzdLW)

How was his hair?


Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 05:58 PM (QLvwG)

***
"Perfect!"

Posted by: Tony Manero at July 18, 2018 06:00 PM (Fb9aZ)

120 87 I posted above noted that, if I recall correctly, a late 19th century Supreme Court ruling that said that Indians were not citizens because they were under tribal jurisdiction. Too lazy to go back and get the exact quote.
Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at July 18, 2018 05:50 PM

And that is why American Indians were not considered to be US Citizens until that was granted to them by the American Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.

Once again, proof that it takes Congressional Action to straighten these things out.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:00 PM (k1TUh)

121 If my cousin from Sweden visits me, it doesn't make her a citizen just because she's at a Cubs game.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 05:59 PM (lwiT4)

Yes, but it makes her a baseball fan, and that's a pretty good qualification.

Got pictures you could post? Topless would be best.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 18, 2018 06:01 PM (wYseH)

122 Grammie, is jello salad a thing in Sweden?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 05:59 PM (gUCYC)



No. Not bland enough.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:01 PM (lwiT4)

123 THIS is why Trump cannot change this with an EO. No President can change Black Letter Law that has been passed by Congress. Only Congress can do that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 05:55 PM (k1TUh)


Tom ... Blah.

My entire life, there's always been good reasons why ObamaCare is just a Tax, Roe vs. Wade is about Privacy, Individual Ownership of Firearms isn't guaranteed, yada yada yada.

I just don't care. Trump ... sign the EO. Then let's see what happens.

We're way past the point of nuanced readings of words on paper. We're in the Who Has The Power Stage.

And while we're at it ... Helicopters are pretty damn cool.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:01 PM (fiGNd)

124 Sorry, Tom, but "subject to its jurisdiction" did not include Indians inside the physical borders of the US. This is why they put that condition in there.

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 06:02 PM (vDqXW)

125 They may as well quit voting in CA. Every decent law that's passed their SC kills.

Posted by: Braenyard _now serving Buffalo Chips to the DNC at July 18, 2018 06:02 PM (VeUrT)

126 Former Trump NSC Spokesman Michael Anton: Citizenship Should Not be a Birthright

Absolutely right.

An outbreak of common sense.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:02 PM (ez9Rh)

127 How can just being born here make you a citizen? That's stupid. Does any other country do that?

Posted by: f'd at July 18, 2018 06:02 PM (UdKB7)

128 BTW, heard some talking head recently say that Justice Scalia opposed an Article V Convention of the States.

Anybody know if this is true and why, or should I get off my lazy ass and figure it out for myself?
Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 05:59 PM (dHJpq)

I had a prof 30 years ago who was dead sent against something like this because he said that every current special-interest group will get their own pet issues ENSHRINED in the new Constitution.

I agree.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 06:02 PM (y8Foj)

129 Got pictures you could post? Topless would be best.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 18, 2018 06:01 PM (wYseH)



She's like 74. You might want to re-think that.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:02 PM (lwiT4)

130 57 Accordion Solo!

Han's long lost brother?

Posted by: Anachronda at July 18, 2018 06:02 PM (NmR1a)

131 She's like 74. You might want to re-think that.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:02 PM (lwiT4)

But you're only 29!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 18, 2018 06:04 PM (wYseH)

132
122 Grammie, is jello salad a thing in Sweden?

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No. Not bland enough.


i dunno. i've seen boxes of celery-flavored jello in museums, which sounds to me like a much better idea than actual celery.

Posted by: Anachronda at July 18, 2018 06:04 PM (xGZ+b)

133 Wong Kim Ark was a deliberate misreading of the 14th amendment. Yes trump could kill it with an EO but then some Obama judge in HI or CA would overrule him. Yes, congress needs act and pass some new immigration laws that undo a lot of Obama shit.

Or it could go to the Supreme Court, preferably after the Notorious RBG joins the Choir Invisible and is replaced by an American.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:05 PM (ez9Rh)

134 Not sure about the definition of "subject to jurisdiction" being set, and applied yet by a court in the case of an illegal alien.


But in any case, an EO is not the answer. As ace noted, quickly/easily struck down by the first court that sees it (after having been deemed improper, probably, by DOJ Office of Legal Counsel, just as they properly deemed Barky's Dream EO unconstitutional).


Tom Servo is right for a few reasons. Mechanically, Congress must fix this (fix can take different forms). Politically, and philosophically, this must be fixed the right way, and doing so brings benefits. As in - the issue is considered directly by the political branches, and acted on.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 06:05 PM (QDnY+)

135 I had a prof 30 years ago who was dead sent against something like this because he said that every current special-interest group will get their own pet issues ENSHRINED in the new Constitution.

I agree.
Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 06:02 PM (y8Foj)

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If I understand things correctly, an Article V Convention is different than a Constitutional Convention. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 06:06 PM (yJ9Jf)

136 If my cousin from Sweden visits me, it doesn't make her a citizen just because she's at a Cubs game.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 05:59 PM (lwiT4)


If a pig is born in a stable, that doesn't make him a horse.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:06 PM (ez9Rh)

137 Politically and Philosophically ...

... fuck that noise.

Trump - sign the EO. And win 2020. And beyond.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:07 PM (fiGNd)

138 127 How can just being born here make you a citizen? That's stupid. Does any other country do that?

Posted by: f'd at July 18, 2018 06:02 PM (UdKB7)

Not that I'm aware of it.

Apparently it works here because THE MAGIC OF AMERICA! and miracle dirt and something something.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2018 06:07 PM (4ErVI)

139 Blanco Basura @ 99- Indigent health care, do you ask?I'd say in Texas it runs well over 50 percent of all treated, and paid for by you the taxpayer.

Posted by: Eromero at July 18, 2018 06:07 PM (zLDYs)

140 The wag I have hear this US Pregnancy Tour works its it gives the child born duel citizenship which gives them a double chance in life .

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 06:07 PM (pHfeF)

141 If a pig is born in a stable, that doesn't make him a horse.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:06 PM (ez9Rh)



There's a weiner joke in there somewhere, but I can't formulate it.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:08 PM (lwiT4)

142 "If a pig is born in a stable, that doesn't make him a horse."

Exactly!

Posted by: The chicken at July 18, 2018 06:08 PM (UdKB7)

143 Come here and have your baby or an abortion!

That offer comes with a pickle on the side and a generous helping of schmaltz!

Posted by: Marcus T at July 18, 2018 06:08 PM (qRp3J)

144 If I understand things correctly, an Article V Convention is different than a Constitutional Convention. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 06:06 PM (yJ9Jf)


You're right.

Article V means we dissolve everything. And I mean everything.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:09 PM (fiGNd)

145 Not many countries in the entire world recognize birth rights

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 06:09 PM (pHfeF)

146 Being physically within the United States may make you subject to jurisdiction (you kill someone - you go to jail), but it doesn't make you a citizen. If my cousin from Sweden visits me, it doesn't make her a citizen just because she's at a Cubs game."

Grammie, and anyone else who wonders the same, look carefully at the two legal texts I posted and consider how they work in conjunction with each other. No, of course your cousin from Sweden isn't a "citizen", but while she is here, she IS "Subject to the Jurisdiction of the United States", as defined in the Federal Code. Meaning, basically, that if she has too many beers and wrecks her car on the way home, she can be arrested by the local police.

NOW, go back and look at the 14th Amendment - the wording is very plain, and clear. "All Persons born OR naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." If your cousin has a baby while she is here, that baby is instantly "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" as currently defined in the Federal Code, and as such instantly becomes a full US Citizen. The mother doesn't, but the baby does.

there is no ambiguity here at all. This is where Birthright Citizenship comes from, and it is a foolish lie to say it is a "misunderstanding" or "misinterpretation." No - Currently it is the ONLY POSSIBLE legal interpretation, unless Congress chooses to change the definitions found in the CFR, or until a Constitutional Amendment is passed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:09 PM (k1TUh)

147 I have heard of the US Pregnancy tour for years.

The worst story, perhaps apocryphal, was some pregnant Chinese chick who has trying to hold that thought until she got over U.S. airspace.

Shoulda flown on an American flag carrier, dummy.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:10 PM (ez9Rh)

148 If I understand things correctly, an Article V Convention is different than a Constitutional Convention. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 06:06 PM (yJ9Jf)

You're right.

Article V means we dissolve everything. And I mean everything.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:09 PM (fiGNd)

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Well, that certainly sounds particularly ungood.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 06:10 PM (yJ9Jf)

149 anton is the guy erin burnett tried messing with.
i'm glad he cancelled his cnn appearance.

Posted by: concrete girl at July 18, 2018 06:12 PM (BVthB)

150 Tom ... the more you talk on this ...

... the more I'm absolutely positive Trump should sign that EO.

Nobody on the street gives two shits about the Legal History of this. They just hate, and hate is the right word, the notion that somebody can cross the border and draw welfare.

Trump ... sign the fucking EO. And Win.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:12 PM (fiGNd)

151 Huh. The end of the article states that the Court would/should go along with the EO because of the Constitution. I assume precedent law too, as evidenced by the recent decision to uphold the travel ban.

I would think the Jacksonian approach would require the Court to rule against the EO, and then for Trump to openly defy it.

Like Worchester v Georgia.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 06:13 PM (UiRxW)

152 Just fyi, Canada also has birthright citizenship.

Also, the vast majority of dual citizens in the United States are Jewish citizens who also hold citizenship in Israel.

All restrictions against the dual citizenship of one who was a US Citizen by birth were found to be unconstitutional in 1965.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:13 PM (k1TUh)

153 Shoulda flown on an American flag carrier, dummy.


It may be apocryphal but it's from before the internet so it's just what I was told...

I was told that Germany has one birthright citizenship clause which applies to babies born on Lufthansa flights. And Lufthansa doesn't let anyone past 8 months pregnant fly.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 06:14 PM (fuK7c)

154 After Trump is re-elected and the Congress goes larger Repub majority this is possible. Also do away with dual citizenship not for kids of parents of two citizenships but for adults by age 25. Pick one.

Posted by: Lester at July 18, 2018 06:14 PM (LfJIn)

155 Is this a good time to bring up the Natural Born Citizen requirement for being eligible to become President?

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 18, 2018 06:14 PM (QLvwG)

156 It's dicta
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Dicta? It almost freakin' killed'ya!

Posted by: just the punchline, sorta at July 18, 2018 06:14 PM (Evws/)

157 Strangely, Iran has (or used to have the same "birthright citizenship" rule. I know someone -- a blonde girl of (ultimately) long-ago Danish ancestry whose father (a US citizen) use to captain an oil tanker back in the '60s. As acaptain he had the privilege of traveling with his wife if he so chose -- which he did. He brought his pregnant wife (also a US citizen) with him on one journey up the Strait of Hormuz, and during the trip she went into labor early. She was helivacced to a hospital in (Shah-era) Iran, whee she successfully gave birth to a preemie who survived, and grew up to be my friend.

As a result of all this, she had an Iranian birth certificate (with a name like "Katie Hanson" on it), and was automatically an Iranian citizen.

Not sure if that citizenship was revoked after 1979 or not -- but I suppose it was.

She used the birth certificate to game the Affirmative Action scholarship system, applying for and receiving scholarships reserved for "Iranian" and "foreign" students at various universities. Shameless, I know, but that was her personality.

Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 06:15 PM (c+2jX)

158 If I understand things correctly, an Article V Convention is different than a Constitutional Convention. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 06:06 PM (yJ9Jf)

You're right.
Article V means we dissolve everything. And I mean everything.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:09 PM (fiGNd)

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Well, that certainly sounds particularly ungood.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 06:10 PM (yJ9Jf)


Depends. Do you think people should rule themselves ?

I think an Article V is the most Free thing a people can do. Even if they choose something worse than what they currently have.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:15 PM (fiGNd)

159
Not many countries in the entire world recognize birth rights
Posted by: Skip


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 06:15 PM (IqV8l)

160 Scogg, I know you disagree. Let's be blunt - Trump should only take this step on the day he's prepared to invoke martial law, throw all of Congress into a dungeon, abolish all the courts, and prepare to rule by decree from then on. I think we're winning bit by bit without having to go the Oliver Cromwell route yet.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:16 PM (k1TUh)

161 And Lufthansa doesn't let anyone past 8 months pregnant fly.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 06:14 PM (fuK7c)



I don't think most airlines let pregnant women fly after 7 months. I got stopped when I was 4 months pregnant. I explained that my due date was several months off. The stewardess said, "Oh - twins?"


No. Just one big fat baby.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:16 PM (lwiT4)

162 All restrictions against the dual citizenship of one who was a US Citizen by birth were found to be unconstitutional in 1965.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:13 PM (k1TUh)

But of course.

The Warren Court.

That's a time period that needs revisiting without a doubt.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2018 06:16 PM (4ErVI)

163
Any amendments proposed in an Article V convention still require ratification by three-quarters of the states.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 18, 2018 06:18 PM (CIRpK)

164 Earl Warren was even worse than John Roberts.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 06:18 PM (UiRxW)

165 159 Thanks , was going to look for that but got side tracked

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 06:18 PM (pHfeF)

166 I think an Article V is the most Free thing a people can do. Even if they choose something worse than what they currently have."

I don't oppose an Article V convention - but know that there is no way anything approaching a "United States" emerges from one. It would result in at least 3, and probably 5 or 6 successor states out of the remains of what had been the US. Since Greater Texas would probably be one of the most powerful, that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:19 PM (k1TUh)

167 Welcome back grammie.
Missed you,,, a bunch.

Posted by: teej at July 18, 2018 06:19 PM (Z7oqE)

168 You coulda' had me at Pinochet, Tom.

Here ... have this Yuengling Lite through the USB.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:19 PM (fiGNd)

169 After Trump is re-elected and the Congress goes larger Repub majority this is possible. Also do away with dual citizenship not for kids of parents of two citizenships but for adults by age 25. Pick one.
Posted by: Lester at July 18, 2018 06:14 PM (LfJIn)

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A larger Repub majority, IMO, would be of no help whatsoever on immigration issues.

They have shown time and time again that they represent their pro illegal/immigrant donor class much more than their constituents on this issue.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 06:19 PM (yJ9Jf)

170 EM-EM-PEACH-FOADIE-FI-META-FOADI-FI-FOADIE-FI

Posted by: MaXinE WatERs roootz at July 18, 2018 06:19 PM (q177U)

171 Shameless, I know, but that was her personality.
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That bitch!

She stole my move!

Posted by: liz warren at July 18, 2018 06:20 PM (Evws/)

172 Aw, teej. Good to see you!

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:20 PM (lwiT4)

173 No Tom, I think there has not been any case on illegal aliens and the 14th, the Kim Ark case was legal alien, and I dunno, THAT might have been a wildly lawless ruling in itself. As noted by someone above, the author of the amendment made it very clear during the legislative portion that the 14th was not meant to apply to foreigners, and the whole effort that resulted in the 14th arose specifically from the issue of freedmen, NOT foreigners.


Cannot think of another constitutional amendment involved in any controversy where there was such clear, specific, modern legislative history and intent on the very things at issue.


Of course Roberts, in his second disastrous O-care decision, added statutory construction to the casualty list, along with common sense and any American sensibility, which were devastated by his first ruling. So maybe now even the actual words of a constitutional amendment's author on the very topic at issue is .... simply not relevant.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 18, 2018 06:20 PM (QDnY+)

174 If your cousin has a baby while she is here, that baby is instantly "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" as currently defined in the Federal Code, and as such instantly becomes a full US Citizen. The mother doesn't, but the baby does.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:09 PM (k1TUh)
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Lock that baby up!

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 06:20 PM (vDqXW)

175 There will be helicopter rides and many holes dug before any Article V happens.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 18, 2018 06:21 PM (89T5c)

176 We don't prosecute children. An infant is not subject to the jurisdiction of the US--its *parents* are.

It's silly to say that a baby is subject to on jurisdiction or another.

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 06:22 PM (vDqXW)

177 173. I'm sold!

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 18, 2018 06:22 PM (fA1SL)

178 So we don't deport them, we just make them outsiders forever? How is that sensible?

Posted by: ChrisBalsz at July 18, 2018 06:22 PM (K5qvX)

179 OT: I'm watching Mountains of the Moon, a flick about Speke and Burton's journey to find the source of the Nile. I haven't seen it in years.

Speke is played by Iain Glen (from Game of Thrones) and Patrick Bergin, who always plays crazy obsessives/obsessive crazies.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 06:22 PM (gUCYC)

180 She used the birth certificate to game the Affirmative Action scholarship system, applying for and receiving scholarships reserved for "Iranian" and "foreign" students at various universities. Shameless, I know, but that was her personality.
________________________

That's disgraceful! What kind of low-life would lie and scam and take advantage of AA to get into schools they probably weren't qualified for otherwise. I mean, the nerve of some people, claiming to be foreign for one purpose, and then claiming to be American for another. It's outrageous!

(And it works like a charm! Especially if you can get all your records sealed afterwards!)

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. at July 18, 2018 06:23 PM (fqUgw)

181 Patrick Bergin, who always plays crazy obsessives/obsessive crazies.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 06:22 PM (gUCYC)
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I meant to add, "portrays Richard Burton (not that one).

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 06:24 PM (gUCYC)

182 He brought his pregnant wife (also a US citizen) with him on one journey up the Strait of Hormuz ...
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Yes, go on ...

Posted by: Shep Smith at July 18, 2018 06:24 PM (9IeEo)

183 My son's university required a class on either women, blacks or indians. He picked indians. Came out a big fan of Andrew Jackson. Probably not the result they were looking for. Has dogs named Andy and Jack(son).

Posted by: dagny at July 18, 2018 06:24 PM (nRWPy)

184 127
How can just being born here make you a citizen? That's stupid. Does any other country do that?

Posted by: f'd at July 18, 2018 06:02 PM (UdKB7)

Most of the countries that had birthright citizenship have repealed their laws that had this. The US and Canada are the only two developed countries left that have it.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 18, 2018 06:27 PM (mpXpK)

185 176 We don't prosecute children. An infant is not subject to the jurisdiction of the US--its *parents* are.

It's silly to say that a baby is subject to on jurisdiction or another."

Just to repost, those are not my words. That is the legal definition found in 31 CFR 515.329, and 515.330 , of the current Federal Code. Congress has the power to change those definitions, but until they do, that baby is "Subject to the Jurisdiction of" as a matter of Black Letter Law.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:27 PM (k1TUh)

186 Speke is played by Iain Glen (from Game of Thrones) and Patrick Bergin, who always plays crazy obsessives/obsessive crazies.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 06:22 PM (gUCYC)


I had a mad crush on Iain Glen for a while. Then aw him in his younger days, and he looked more like ET. Yikes! But as an older guy, I was drawn to him. I think his voice has a lot to do with it.

Is the movie good? Patrick Bergin is that guy from Sleeping with the Enemy iirc.

Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 06:29 PM (CiCKR)

187 She used the birth certificate to game the Affirmative Action scholarship system, applying for and receiving scholarships reserved for "Iranian" and "foreign" students at various universities. Shameless, I know, but that was her personality.
Posted by: zombie at July 18, 2018 06:15 PM (c+2jX)


Now nobody of ambiguous citizenship would ever game the system to receive preferential treatment and scholarships. I have that on good authority.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:29 PM (ez9Rh)

188 *saw

Dammit!

Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 06:29 PM (CiCKR)

189 @146

Let's play this game...

A hostile force invades the US, among these hostile forces are pregnant woman, these pregnant woman have babies.


Are the progeny of these woman US citizens?

If you say yes you are silly.

The 14th Amendment has been abused to advance the marxist agenda for a very long time, see the SCOTUS reading equal dignity into it to justify gay marriage.


The 14th was adopted to rectify a very specific iniquity, the status of freed blacks, and does not apply to foreigners who just happen to drop a baby while on US soil.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 18, 2018 06:29 PM (UfMVm)

190 183 My son's university required a class on either women, blacks or indians. He picked indians. Came out a big fan of Andrew Jackson. Probably not the result they were looking for. Has dogs named Andy and Jack(son).
Posted by: dagny at July 18, 2018 06:24 PM (nRWPy)


The university should also have required women, blacks and Indians to take a class in physics as a graduation requirement.

A real one, not "physics for poets," or any of that shit.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:30 PM (ez9Rh)

191 Black Letter Law.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:27 PM (k1TUh)


Tom ... I like you ... but shit like this is why I "go off" the way I do on Republicans.

Fuck Black Letter Law. Seriously.

If Black Letter Law says Jews must wear a Yellow Star ? I don't care. And I don't care how much about those that support the notion.

But I always say ... and a Certain Crowd here always howl ... if The Law says form a line for the gas chamber ... some folks will form lines.

Black Letter Law is damned over-rated, dude.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:31 PM (fiGNd)

192 Depends. Do you think people should rule themselves ?

I think an Article V is the most Free thing a people can do. Even if they choose something worse than what they currently have.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:15 PM (fiGNd)

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Theoretically, I think that yeah, people should rule themselves. Realistically, when I look around at what the citizenry has become, the idea scares the shit out of me.

I know 2/3 of the states would need to vote to ratify, which is helpful. Bottom line is I really don't know enough about the process and possible range of results to have a good opinion.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 06:31 PM (yJ9Jf)

193 @188 See.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at July 18, 2018 06:32 PM (nQHw/)

194 Trump signing this executive order has about as much chance as him ordering all of the Hawaiian judges onto the helicopter.

Posted by: Kate Winslet's boobs at July 18, 2018 06:32 PM (klu83)

195 A hostile force invades the US, among these hostile forces are pregnant woman, these pregnant woman have babies."

Kreplach, think about what you wrote - you used the word "Hostile".

By definition, "hostile" invading forces are NOT subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Easy way to visualize this (although it's not a strictly legal definition) - if the police can drive out and arrest someone, then that someone is subject to the jurisdiction thereof. If the police can't, then they aren't.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:32 PM (k1TUh)

196 155 Is this a good time to bring up the Natural Born Citizen requirement for being eligible to become President?

personally, i'm all for keeping clones out of the white house.

Posted by: Anachronda at July 18, 2018 06:33 PM (xGZ+b)

197 DON'T. Don't do it, little wet noodle. Fanboy. Don't do it For The People.

Posted by: Former Gov. Schwarzenegger at July 18, 2018 06:33 PM (RfYYV)

198 Well let's not all get our panties in a bunch over splitting legal hairs.

We all agree on helicopter rides, right?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2018 06:34 PM (4ErVI)

199 The 14th amendment was a remedy to freedmen, slaves, who were being denied Constitutional rights by the troglodyte Democrats of the south post Civil War. The fact that this has rolled into ILLEGAL aliens squirting out babies on one side of a boundary is truly, (apologies CNN) F***ing outrageous.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 18, 2018 06:34 PM (ty7RM)

200 Earl Warren was even worse than John Roberts.

HANK HILL: I thought you were busy teaching girls to blow up basketballs. When did this turn into a desire to ruin wrestling?

PEGGY HILL: Oh, give me a break. I don't see how having a girl on the team would ruin it. Did a woman judge ruin the Supreme Court?

HANK HILL: Yes, and that woman's name was Earl Warren.

Posted by: bonhomme at July 18, 2018 06:34 PM (9qZ3S)

201 Well this is interesting. Remember how lots of people were freaking out last Friday when Rosenstein announced the Russian indictments saying he was trying to hamstring Trump before the Russian summit?

Turns out it was Trump not Rosenstein who chose to make the announcement before the summit believing it would give him a stronger hand with Putin. This matches up with Bolton making the same claim about the timing of the announcement.

https://tinyurl.com/ya7ekqcq

I hope some people didn't burn off all their hair over that one.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2018 06:34 PM (/tuJf)

202 The Interior Department's internal watchdog has opened a formal
investigation into a real estate deal involving a foundation established
by Ryan Zinke- Politico

The fever swamp is everywhere.

Posted by: Under Fire at July 18, 2018 06:34 PM (r9UYA)

203 Every Democrat and quite a few Republicans would vote against changing the natural birth law, and might require clarifying the constitution amendment

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 06:35 PM (pHfeF)

204 @195
That's absurd.
A hostile would be subdued, arrested, imprisoned, and possibly tried and executed, but wouldn't be subject to the jurisdiction of the US?


You're being silly now.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 18, 2018 06:35 PM (UfMVm)

205 The way to sell it is to point out to blacks that their 14th Amendment is being used to replace them. Pretty simple.

Posted by: Puddin Head at July 18, 2018 06:35 PM (vV/gB)

206 But...but...Montenegro!!!

Posted by: Rancid French Dressing at July 18, 2018 06:35 PM (Tyii7)

207 if the police can drive out and arrest someone, then
that someone is subject to the jurisdiction thereof. If the police
can't, then they aren't.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:32 PM (k1TUh)



So how would that look in relation to very young children brought here by illegal alien parents? Are they subject to US jurisdiction?

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:35 PM (lwiT4)

208 We all agree on helicopter rides, right?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2018 06:34 PM (4ErVI)

No.

Posted by: Blimp and Airplane Manufacturers at July 18, 2018 06:35 PM (j6XEO)

209 Theoretically, I think that yeah, people should rule themselves. Realistically, when I look around at what the citizenry has become, the idea scares the shit out of me.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 06:31 PM (yJ9Jf)


Well ... if the Unwashed Masses can't rule themselves - who will rule them ?

And by Them ... are we Them or Us ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:36 PM (fiGNd)

210 Love the idea. Doubt this type of action is taken.

Build the wall. South first, then north.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at July 18, 2018 06:36 PM (fYi9j)

211 I had a mad crush on Iain Glen for a while. Then aw him in his younger days, and he looked more like ET. Yikes! But as an older guy, I was drawn to him. I think his voice has a lot to do with it.

Is the movie good? Patrick Bergin is that guy from Sleeping with the Enemy iirc.
Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 06:29 PM (CiCKR)
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I think young, tender Iain is just fine, if you like pallid tweedy striplings! And yes, it's THAT Bergin. And I'm seeing lots of character actors if you enjoy playing Oh It's That Guy.

It's a very good flick, as I recall. Some horrific suffering along the way.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 18, 2018 06:36 PM (gUCYC)

212 I hope some people didn't burn off all their hair over that one.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2018 06:34 PM (/tuJf)



I lost half an eyebrow.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:37 PM (lwiT4)

213 I missed most of the last thread. Have we always been at war with Montenegro?

Posted by: rickl at July 18, 2018 06:37 PM (sdi6R)

214 And by Them ... are we Them or Us ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:36 PM (fiGNd)

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See the final sentence of my post.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 06:37 PM (yJ9Jf)

215 I hope some people didn't burn off all their hair over that one.

Heh. I think you already know the answer to that.

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 18, 2018 06:37 PM (bZ7mE)

216 We all agree on helicopter rides, right?


Hear, hear! This calls for a fare reduction!

Posted by: Pinochet Airlines at July 18, 2018 06:37 PM (Tyii7)

217 Well ... if the Unwashed Masses can't rule themselves - who will rule them ?



I would very much like to be Queen.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:37 PM (lwiT4)

218 208
We all agree on helicopter rides, right?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2018 06:34 PM (4ErVI)



No.


Posted by: rocket Sled With No Brakes at July 18, 2018 06:38 PM (r9UYA)

219 So I see San Francisco has given Illegals the vote...They say they meaning illegals should have some say in their community and especially their childrens schools... Right... I volunteered many years here in NorCal in public schools and I can tell you they don't give a rats ass a bout the schools or community... they just dump the kids there... Never lift a fucking finger... They do however show up for any freebies that were offered...

Posted by: It's me donna at July 18, 2018 06:38 PM (O2RFr)

220 Germany can't even deport a trained al-Qaeda operative
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12723/germany-deportation-system

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 06:38 PM (pHfeF)

221 I would very much like to be Queen.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 18, 2018 06:37 PM (lwiT4)


Sorry, position's filled.

Posted by: Barack Obama at July 18, 2018 06:39 PM (ez9Rh)

222 The university should also have required women, blacks and Indians to take a class in physics as a graduation requirement.

A real one, not "physics for poets," or any of that shit.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 06:30 PM (ez9Rh)

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Heh...

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 18, 2018 06:39 PM (gBShP)

223 Let's play a game. It is called "Pregnant Mexican Invaders".

Posted by: The Morontron 5000 at July 18, 2018 06:39 PM (Evws/)

224 >>>I hope some people didn't burn off all their hair over that one

Posted by: well it's too late, to turn back time at July 18, 2018 06:39 PM (BVthB)

225 The Interior Department's internal watchdog has opened a formal
investigation into a real estate deal involving a foundation established
by Ryan Zinke- Politico

The fever swamp is everywhere
============================
Help me understand this. Please.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 18, 2018 06:39 PM (ty7RM)

226 Black Letter Law is damned over-rated, dude."

It isn't always right, or even moral - but as long as we have courts, that's a slam dunk on how any Court is going to rule. And when you think about it, it is the height of conservatism to hold that the Courts should actually follow the Law as written. It is the height of progressivism to say "Screw the law, lets do whatever we want."

There are always bad laws, and the current definition of citizenship may very well be one of those bad laws. But the answer to that is to use the legal structures we have to CHANGE those laws, not just throw out the entire concept of law altogether. Because whenever that has happened, it always turns out the same way.

If we can't attract enough support to get Congress to change the law, then there is no way we would ever get enough support to win the war that would start when we threw out all the laws.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:39 PM (k1TUh)

227 Turns out it was Trump not Rosenstein who chose to make the announcement before the summit believing it would give him a stronger hand with Putin. This matches up with Bolton making the same claim about the timing of the announcement.

https://tinyurl.com/ya7ekqcq

I hope some people didn't burn off all their hair over that one.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 18, 2018 06:34 PM (/tuJf)


I did opine the timing was perfect. However, not for these reasons, nor did I think Trump picked the timing. So I'm thinking I just get partial credit.

Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 06:39 PM (CiCKR)

228 Most of the countries that had birthright citizenship have repealed their laws that had this. The US and Canada are the only two developed countries left that have it.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 18, 2018 06:27 PM (mpXpK)

I was stationed in England when I was pregnant with my son. Every morning, an official with the British government would phone the labor and delivery ward at the base hospital, asking how many babies had been born the day before. I was told it was so they could count them up as British "citizens" and tax the crap out of their parents. L and D staff were under strict orders not to give out the information.

Posted by: antisocialist at July 18, 2018 06:39 PM (9BwmK)

229 Nood-bring your reading glasses

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 06:39 PM (yJ9Jf)

230 The fever swamp is everywhere
============================
Help me understand this. Please.

Easy, he worked in some capacity for Trump

Posted by: It's me donna at July 18, 2018 06:39 PM (O2RFr)

231 Nood.

Movie review length.

Posted by: Furious George at July 18, 2018 06:40 PM (9vQJW)

232 218 208
We all agree on helicopter rides, right?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2018 06:34 PM (4ErVI)

No.

Posted by: rocket Sled With No Brakes at July 18, 2018 06:38 PM (r9UYA)


Same here.

Posted by: Trebuchet Manufacturers Association at July 18, 2018 06:40 PM (ez9Rh)

233 See the final sentence of my post.
Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 18, 2018 06:37 PM (yJ9Jf)


Bottom line is I really don't know enough about the process and possible range of results to have a good opinion.

That is honest as the day is long. And I don't either. But props to you for sayin' it.

I'm just not worried about an Article V breaking up the map. Mostly because I think the map's too big to begin with.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:40 PM (fiGNd)

234 100,000s illegals voted in the last election, who had more interference in the election Mexico or Russia?

Posted by: Skip at July 18, 2018 06:41 PM (pHfeF)

235
Well ... if the Unwashed Masses can't rule themselves - who will rule them ?

One ring

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 06:41 PM (IqV8l)

236 By definition, "hostile" invading forces are NOT
subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Easy way to
visualize this (although it's not a strictly legal definition) - if the
police can drive out and arrest someone, then that someone is subject
to the jurisdiction thereof. If the police can't, then they aren't.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:32 PM (k1TUh)

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the military takes hostile prisoners all the time. what US jurisdiction are they subject to?

wanna try a different line of argument?

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 18, 2018 06:41 PM (uS008)

237 Love the idea. Doubt this type of action is taken.

Build the wall. South first, then north.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee



And one on the Atlantic. Just to see if any of the hair on fire crowd will make a connection with a rudimentary knowledge of history.

Posted by: X-ray at July 18, 2018 06:42 PM (YdakM)

238 If you want to change some politicians' minds about open borders, I'm going to need their addresses, 200 pregnant Mexican women, and a taco launcher.

Posted by: Cartman from Southpark at July 18, 2018 06:42 PM (klu83)

239
100,000s illegals voted in the last election, who had more interference in the election Mexico or Russia?
Posted by: Skip


Tucker's guest last night said you have a greater chance of being hit by lightning than of an illegal voting.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 06:42 PM (IqV8l)

240 NOOD.

Posted by: Basement Cat at July 18, 2018 06:43 PM (3C9q2)

241 The comment section at the Washington Post id as expected. Fact-free assertions and lots of self-righteous anger.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 18, 2018 06:43 PM (ritOW)

242 And when you think about it, it is the height of conservatism to hold that the Courts should actually follow the Law as written. It is the height of progressivism to say "Screw the law, lets do whatever we want."

Then call me whatever Tom. I'm way past the point of caring. I'm the cat that hates titles anyway.

You obey the Court ... you're vested in the process. Me ? I don't give a damn anymore.

The Court is rigged. Fuck playing a rigged game.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:44 PM (fiGNd)

243 So how would that look in relation to very young children brought here by illegal alien parents? Are they subject to US jurisdiction?"

Of course they're subject to the jurisdiction, which is why they are being detained - the issue that's being fought about right now is, can they be detained separately or must they be held together with their parents? And, if they are held together, how long can the government hold them before there is a hearing to determine their status? And if the Government is not capable of holding a hearing within what the court feels is a reasonable time, then is the government obligated to release them until such time as it can hold a hearing? Those are the topics that are actually being argued in the district court fights over the border that you hear snippets of.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:45 PM (k1TUh)

244 238 If you want to change some politicians' minds about open borders, I'm going to need their addresses, 200 pregnant Mexican women, and a taco launcher.
Posted by: Cartman from Southpark at July 18, 2018 06:42 PM

I, am Mantequilla, the last of the Meheecans.

Posted by: Butters at July 18, 2018 06:47 PM (CiCKR)

245 You obey the Court ... you're vested in the process."

Getting a law degree does tend to do that to oneself.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:48 PM (k1TUh)

246 101 CFR is the Code of Federal Regulations. They are not laws.

Posted by: mercenary13 at July 18, 2018 06:49 PM (zK4M1)

247 Tucker's guest last night said you have a greater chance of being hit by lightning than of an illegal voting.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 18, 2018 06:42 PM (IqV8l)

Maybe on Mars. But on Earth, illegal voting > hit by lightening.

Posted by: Zombie Albert Einstein at July 18, 2018 06:51 PM (CiCKR)

248 The kids are held because they can't just make them disappear and they're a logistical issue. They've got kids left without parents showing up on their doorstep.

We don't even treat them as if *they've* broken our laws--because in general, they didn't.

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 06:51 PM (vDqXW)

249 if as foreigner is here and can't be drafted into the military, he is not "subject" to our jursidiction, even if we don't allow him to run around murdering people 9or otherwise breaking laws). yet his home country has jurisdiction, they COULD draft him, because he is their SUBJECT.

that's my interpretation. illegals prove just by their presence, that they have not been subjected to our laws. In any case, congress could pass a law (or clarification, whatever) and we could see what SCOTUS would do with it. It would be a good thing to campaign on ...

Posted by: illiniwek at July 18, 2018 06:52 PM (bT8Z4)

250 Getting a law degree does tend to do that to oneself.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 06:48 PM (k1TUh)


I knew that without you tellin' ... you know way too much about the process otherwise.

And hey ... we're just talkin'. I don't think any less of ya'. I hope you understand that.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 06:54 PM (fiGNd)

251 Howard assured skeptics that "Indians born within the limits of the United States, and who maintain their tribal relations, are not, in the sense of this amendment, born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States."

Yet, I bet you we can still take them to our courts if they kill in American towns.

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 06:54 PM (vDqXW)

252 Senator Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, supported Howard, contending that “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” meant “not owing allegiance to anybody else . . . subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States.” Indians, he concluded, were not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States because they owed allegiance—even if only partial allegiance—to their tribes. Thus, two requirements were set for United States citizenship: born or naturalized in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction.

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 06:58 PM (vDqXW)

253 Michael Anton is wrong, both historically and Constitutionally. Within the common law, citizenship at birth (or being a subject at birth) was automatic if one were born in the country, the country actually had jurisdiction to impose its laws (e.g. excluding ambassadors and occupied territories), and legiance by the parents, whereby the parents agree to live by the laws of the land; the 14th Amendment dropped the last requirement.

By declaring that children of noncitizens are not citizens, you put them out of reach of all United States law. For example, a child of a noncitizen would be able to commit crimes with impunity because the government has no jurisdiction over them since they are not subject to it. It would give them the same status as an ambassador. Being fully and completely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States does not exclude others from claiming jurisdiction, and any such claims of jurisdiction do not and can not negate the jurisdiction of the United States.

As to the debate, if they meant for the Amendment to be exclusive of foreign citizens, like the 1866 naturalization act was, then they should have used the language of the act. Plenty of others indicated during the debate over the 14th Amendment, and contemporaneously, that it was inclusive of those born domestically, with the author of the citizenship clause explicitly stating: "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons." (See: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3kgp4jw)

The pure fact of the matter is that the Amendment says what it says. "Jurisdiction" has well established usage.

See: http://preview.tinyurl.com/p7pz5v2


Some may point out that some of the authors of the 14th Amendment meant it to mean under the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States as mentioned in the contemporary naturalization act. But that act explicitly mentioned not "jurisdiction" but being "not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States". The two are not interchangeable in any way shape or form. Two Supreme Court cases mentioned on passing some echo of this idea, but since the 14th Amendment did not define a new definition or type of "jurisdiction", but such dicta do not create law ex nihilo. A person in the incorporated territory and fully subject to the law thereof is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, with limited and explicit exeptions, regardless of if they are citizen, legal alien, or illegal alien.

Ironically if we use the "not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States" definition, than a child of illegal immigrants (each from a country that requires both citizens to be parent to inherent citizenship), would be a citizen at birth, while a child born of an American citizen and another parent even one split second before acquiring citizenship is not a citizen but a foreigner to be treated as such.

Jurisdiction refers not to allegiance, but to obedience.

Posted by: The Natural Born Hat at July 18, 2018 07:01 PM (itfg0)

254 That's inane because:
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In Elk v. Wilkins (1884), the Supreme Court decided that a native Indian who had renounced allegiance to his tribe did not become “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States by virtue of the renunciation. “The alien and dependent condition of the members of the Indian Tribes could not be put off at their own will, without the action or assent of the United States” signified either by treaty or legislation. Neither the “Indian Tribes” nor “individual members of those Tribes,” no more than “other foreigners” can “become citizens of their own will.”

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 07:08 PM (vDqXW)

255 200 Earl Warren was even worse than John Roberts.

HANK HILL: I thought you were busy teaching girls to blow up basketballs. When did this turn into a desire to ruin wrestling?

PEGGY HILL: Oh, give me a break. I don't see how having a girl on the team would ruin it. Did a woman judge ruin the Supreme Court?

HANK HILL: Yes, and that woman's name was Earl Warren.
Posted by: bonhomme at July 18, 2018 06:34 PM (9qZ3S)

I was JUST going to quote that!

:fist-bump:

Posted by: josephistan at July 18, 2018 07:12 PM (Izzlo)

256 252 Senator Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, supported Howard, contending that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" meant "not owing allegiance to anybody else . . . subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States." Indians, he concluded, were not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States because they owed allegiance--even if only partial allegiance--to their tribes. Thus, two requirements were set for United States citizenship: born or naturalized in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction.

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 06:58 PM (vDqXW)


Indians were explicitly excluded, where Indian nations were recognized as a nation within a nation. Sen. Trumbell also said:

"I have already said that in my opinion birth entitles a person to citizenship, that every free-born person in this land is, by virtue of being born here, a citizen of the United States."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/j5qnrg3

It is also of note that Sen. Cowan, who voted against the 14th Amendment, believed that it would grant citizen ship to those who "owe [the U.S.] no allegiance [and] who predent to owe none" inclusive of those who regularly commit "trespass" within the U.S..

Posted by: The Natural Born Hat at July 18, 2018 07:16 PM (itfg0)

257 In Steel Co. v. Citizens for a Better Environment (199 the court said “jurisdiction is a word of many, too many, meanings.” Therefore, it is important to discover the operational meaning behind “subject to the jurisdiction” as employed under the Fourteenth Amendment rather than assuming its meaning from other usages of the word jurisdiction alone. Both Sen. Trumbull and Sen. Howard provide the answer, with Trumbull declaring:

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 07:18 PM (vDqXW)

258 Sen. Howard places this earlier comment of his on who is “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” into proper context: “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

What Sen. Howard is saying here is citizenship by birth is established by the sovereign jurisdiction the United States already has over the parents of the child, and that required that they owe allegiance exclusively to the United States – just as is required to become a naturalized citizen. It does not require a leap of faith to understand what persons, other than citizens themselves, under the Fourteenth Amendment are citizens of the United States by birth: Those aliens who have come with the intent to become U.S. citizens, who had first complied with the laws of naturalization in declaring their intent and renounce all prior allegiances.

Sen. Trumbull further restates the goal of the language: “It is only those persons who come completely within our jurisdiction, who are subject to our laws, that we think of making citizens…” Note that Trumbull does not say temporarily within our jurisdiction, but “completely within our jurisdiction”.

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 07:23 PM (vDqXW)

259 254 That's inane because:
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In Elk v. Wilkins (1884), the Supreme Court decided that a native Indian who had renounced allegiance to his tribe did not become "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States by virtue of the renunciation. "The alien and dependent condition of the members of the Indian Tribes could not be put off at their own will, without the action or assent of the United States" signified either by treaty or legislation. Neither the "Indian Tribes" nor "individual members of those Tribes," no more than "other foreigners" can "become citizens of their own will."

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 07:08 PM (vDqXW)


Referring to naturalization, and not status at birth.

Posted by: The Natural Born Hat at July 18, 2018 07:24 PM (itfg0)

260 What Sen. Howard is saying here is citizenship by birth is established by the sovereign jurisdiction the United States already has over the parents of the child, and that required that they owe allegiance exclusively to the United States - just as is required to become a naturalized citizen. It does not require a leap of faith to understand what persons, other than citizens themselves, under the Fourteenth Amendment are citizens of the United States by birth: Those aliens who have come with the intent to become U.S. citizens, who had first complied with the laws of naturalization in declaring their intent and renounce all prior allegiances.

Sen. Trumbull further restates the goal of the language: "It is only those persons who come completely within our jurisdiction, who are subject to our laws, that we think of making citizens..." Note that Trumbull does not say temporarily within our jurisdiction, but "completely within our jurisdiction".

Posted by: Axeman at July 18, 2018 07:23 PM (vDqXW)


It excluded those were were ministers or similarly excluded, but explicitly included all other classes.

Posted by: The Natural Born Hat at July 18, 2018 07:26 PM (itfg0)

261 Having the federal government pick and choose what native-born resident is a citizen will work about as well as letting them pick and choose what grassroots organization get tax-exempt status, and for the same reasons.

Posted by: ChrisBalsz at July 18, 2018 07:40 PM (K5qvX)

262 If illegal aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S., then it means we have no authority to try them for crimes.

Just as with people who want to legislate the "repeal" of the 2nd Amendment and the refrain is "then amend the Constitution", if you want to end jus soli (birthright citizenship), then amend the Constitution.
Any legislative "remedy" would be just as outrageous as attempts by socialists and their ilk to redact the Constitution.

Posted by: Sam at July 18, 2018 07:43 PM (ZIHuF)

263 Show this Daily Beast article to Democrats.

We will get Birth Right Citizenship ended immediately!

Russians Flock to Trump Properties to Give Birth to U.S. Citizens http://thebea.st/2gIxhyj

#RussiaRussiaRussia #OMG #Ruskies

Posted by: Trigger Warning at July 18, 2018 07:45 PM (YRXy3)

264 Robert Heinlein had it correct, citizenship and the right to vote need to be earned.

Do you want to know more?

Posted by: deepred at July 18, 2018 09:14 PM (AfBox)

265 Starship Troopers. If you don't serve, you're not a citizen.

Posted by: RobertM at July 18, 2018 09:46 PM (H2FoK)

For Those Insistent That We Must Fight a Hypothetical Future War on Behalf of Montenegro, Because American Honor Demands It: You Know, It's Not Too Late to Declare War on Russia for the Ukraine

Background: Sorry for not including this. Last night, Tucker Carlson asked Trump why his (Carlson's) son should die to protect new NATO signatory Montengero. Trump expressed a lot of doubt about going to war for Montenegro.

The usual neocon suspects -- Noah Rothman, David French, etc., as well as the suddenly gung-ho-to-kill-Russkies socialist left -- are foaming about even asking serious questions about what America would actually do if Russia invaded Montenegro.

While they fulminate and salivate, I can't help noticing that Russia did in fact invade another country that the US made security guarantees to, and the US did nothing much about it, and they themselves did not advocate for War in the Ukraine. Almost as if their mouths are writing a lot of checks their asses (and political viability) can't cover.

So I do think it's fair to ask what, realistically, the US is willing to do when faced with the possibility of a war with Russia.

One big problem I have with Trump's answer is that he's talking about a country we've already made a part of NATO. Not a wise decision -- but that ship has sailed. We already made that guarantee.

However, I do think it's worth talking about this question so that we stop making guarantees to everyone in the world, and maybe get more realistic about what we'd actually do if Russia invaded a country that wasn't a part of the core original treaty group of Western Europe. Our lack of resolve in the Ukraine suggests that the American foreign policy establishment likes making guarantees it has virtually no intention of ever honoring.

...

If we're going to be serious about treaty commitments, then we have to be serious about all treaty commitments -- the commitments where there's an actual invasion going on that legally requires US action, now, and not just those more-fun-to-chat-about hypothetical future invasions.

Which are safer to discuss politically, of course, because no US troops are currently demanded for the cause.

In the meantime, the unchastened neocons choose to selectively forget that the United States made security guarantees to Ukraine, promising to protect it in case of Russian invasion, and we have chosen to ignore those obligations.

And I don't hear the neocons squawking much about that. Because, to honor those obligations would require immediate US entry into a war against Russia, which would be incredibly unpopular.

So instead they jerk themselves off about fantasy future hypotheticals about Montenegro.

How about talking about the obligations we're currently in default of honoring, neocons?


The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances refers to three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994, providing security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom Of Great Britain And Northern Ireland, and the United States Of America. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents.

The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan.

As a result, between 1994 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons. Before that, Ukraine had the world's third largest nuclear weapons stockpile, of which Ukraine had physical if not operational control....

Following the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation in 2014, the US, Canada, the UK, along with other countries, stated that Russian involvement was a breach of its obligations to Ukraine under the Budapest Memorandum, a Memorandum transmitted to the United Nations under the signature of Sergei Lavrov, amongst others, and in violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity.

The US asked Ukraine to give up its huge stockpiles of nuclear weapons in exchange for guarantees that we would protect their independence and territorial integrity from Russian interference or invasion.

Russia has interfered and has, for all practical purposes, invaded.

So why aren't the neocons demanding a declaration of war against Russia?

Oh, for the usual reasons. They're not serious people. They like talking tough but they understand that their prescriptions are wildly unpopular, so they don't really push very hard for much action; they mostly just play the weakling's favorite game talking the toughest without actually trying to get into a fight.


One trick the necons are trying right now is arguing that by making guarantees that we will fight wars on behalf of people they know damn well we will not fight on behalf of, we will somehow actually avoid fighting on behalf of the people we're not going to fight on behalf of in any situation.

First of all, this more of Obama's Red Line strategy -- and the neocons are nothing at all like Obama, they'll assure you.

Claiming you have a "Red Line" which you will go to war to defend while knowing you will not go to war to defend that Red Line projects weakness, not strength.

Second, telling people to get on board with a treaty that requires them to go to war to defend another country actually reduces the chances of having to go to war at all fails, intentionally, to prepare the country for the idea that seriously, this treaty means you have to go to war if the other state invokes its rights under the treaty.

It's like getting someone to sign a contract and agree to a contract provision against their own interest by telling them that the contract provision will never actually be enforced, and is just required to be in the contract to "satisfy shareholders."

I've heard this bullshit personally. Pro-Tip: Any contract provision adverse to you should be read as really, really real, and you should only sign if you are very comfortable having that same adverse provision applied in full against you.

Merely hoping and praying it will never be used against you is a legally ruinous strategy.

That said: If the war salesmen are telling people the treaty guarantees will not be invoked, then how can you actually try to invoke them later?

The whole point of a contract -- or a treaty -- is to have a meeting of minds on key points, actual in-fact agreement as to the terms; the neocons' hucksterism in selling Americans on treaty obligations they claim Americans will never actually be obliged to honor is dishonest -- and the American people would rightly refuse to honor such an obligation if demanded later, noting, correctly, that the people pushing on this them told them that they'd never have to actually go to war if they signed this document saying they'd go to war.

Finally -- how does making such guarantees for Montenegro reduce the chances that Russia will actually invade Montenegro when Russia has actually invaded Ukraine and we're already currently dishonoring our obligations to come to Urkaine's defense?

If we're not serious about honoring our obligations in Ukraine -- which the tough-talking neocon Chairborne Rangers are quite happy to be unserious about -- why would Montenegro assume we're any more serious?

Why would Russia assume we're serious about Montenegro if not serious about Ukraine?

So get to agitating for full war, Neocons. Your Sacred Principles demand nothing less. The only way to insure peace for Montenegro in the future is to declare war in Ukraine in the now.

Finally, a little history lesson: the other thing the unchastened, never-learn-a-thing neocons are claiming is that the only defense against war is a series of defensive treaties in which we all guarantee to go to war on each other's behalf. This will prevent war, the theory goes, because the treaty system promises such incalculably dire consequences -- a whole world at war for invading Montenegro -- that no one would actually dare to set off the spark that sets the war on fire.

This is true -- sometimes. Sometimes, the threat of the whole world going to war over a small territorial dispute in a tiny Balkans state does in fact stay everyone's hand from taking the action that will plunge us into war.

On the other hand, sometimes a complex web of treaties and defensive alliances actually causes the entire world to go to war when Russia infringes upon the territorial integrity of a small Balkans region country.

It was called the Great War. World War One. People assumed that the web of treaties in which half of Europe pledged itself to defend the tiny Balkan region state of Serbia and the other half of Europe was pledged to assist the German Central Powers and Austro-Hungary in their attempt to punish Serbia for its role (whatever that might be) in the death of the Archduke Ferdinand.

So it's not quite true to say sprawling networks of alliances always prevent catastrophically large conflagrations. It's not even true of the Balkans region, or of countries sometimes known as Yugoslavia.

Sometimes you can forestall war by making war such an unimaginably large disaster that people refrain from war.

But sometimes this doesn't work, and instead the system of alliances and ententes delivers to you the same unimaginably large disaster you were using as a chit to scare people away from a much smaller war.

One last point: They say, correctly, that when you pass a law, you should accept the fact that this law is so critical that you are willing to empower agents of the state to straight-up shoot and kill people to enforce that law.

You should not have any illusions about this; a law is, unavoidably, Force and Coercion, and when you pass a law, you must make sure that it is important enough a thing to make the killing of citizens who may disagree with that law an acceptable casualty.

The same is obviously true of treaty obligations: One must ask, before entering a war alliance, if the interests to be advanced are actually worth killing a lot of people, and sacrificing a lot of our own countrymen.

And they should be sold to our countrymen as they actually are: as formal, legal, moral guarantees that we will sacrifice our own sons for the sake of the alliance.

And people need to be told that, and have it explained to them why this alliance really is that important, to require the sacrifice of our sons.

It is unserious to present war alliances as only proofs against war. A serious and honest commentator must also tell people that this obligation to go to war for another country may very well obligate us to go to war for another country.

Selling a war alliance as a clever method of avoiding all war is the work of a dishonest swindler selling unfavorable contract terms to someone by lying about what those terms actually are.

So sure: Let's have an honest discussion about which countries we are willing to go to war for, and which we are not.

We're apparently unwilling to go to war for Ukraine. Until Trump, we weren't even willing to provide Ukraine with lethal aid with which to defend themselves; but obviously, both before Trump and after Trump, we're not willing to go to actual war for them.

Which the self-righteous, we'll-fight-our-enemies-to-the-last-man-from-the-non-political-classes neocons are perfectly fine with (given that none of them utters a peep about honoring our Sacred Obligations in Ukraine).

Which other countries are we not willing to sacrifice the last non-DC-resident-life for? Any others? Or is it just Ukraine?

More: How About Turkey? Are We Willing to Really Go to War on Behalf of the Islamist Country and NATO Member Turkey?




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1 En fuego!

Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" at July 18, 2018 03:53 PM (ctuyM)

2 OH MAN SO CLOSE!!!!!

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 03:53 PM (jjaLl)

3

EM RIVERDANCE FOADDY-FI!!!

Posted by: Maxine Waters' Hair at July 18, 2018 03:54 PM (mPeei)

4 Hmm.

Logic is impeccable.

Question is: does it own the libs?

Posted by: blaster at July 18, 2018 03:55 PM (LtG+N)

5 "You're lucky my girlfriend's here or I'd clobber your ass!"

Posted by: Comey at July 18, 2018 03:55 PM (MceDl)

6 I am not here.


Choo, choo Motherfuckers!

Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 03:55 PM (CiCKR)

7 Someone ask Michael Obama to point out Ukraine on an unmarked globe.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at July 18, 2018 03:55 PM (w4hz+)

8 Oh, no, no, no.

I'm not getting on the bad side of the Four Slavmen of the Apocalypse.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 03:56 PM (UnA8+)

9 Aaaand as soon as Trump acted they would be in 24x7 OUTRAGE mode at inexperienced Trump starting World War III!!!

Posted by: Joe DiMagio at July 18, 2018 03:56 PM (W+vEI)

10 Is Montenegro the new thing I should be flipping out about?

Posted by: Mega at July 18, 2018 03:56 PM (LNX7T)

11 >>Which other countries are we not willing to sacrifice the last non-DC-resident-life for? Any others? Or is it just Ukraine?

Israel, apparently.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 03:57 PM (W+vEI)

12 I will gladly pay Tuesday for a hamburger today ...

Posted by: Adriane the Political Elite Critic ... at July 18, 2018 03:57 PM (AoK0a)

13 OH MAN SO CLOSE!!!!!
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 03:53 PM


Sorry, but there's a reason Fast Attacks have 'Fast' in their name, while Boomers are known as 'Rosie O'Donnells'.

Posted by: That Guy who shouts "En fuego!" at July 18, 2018 03:57 PM (ctuyM)

14 Was this a movie, by any chance? /kidding

In the meantime, the unchastened neocons choose to selectively forget that the United States made security guarantees to Ukraine, promising to protect it in case of Russian invasion, and we have chosen to ignore those obligations.

Anyone who takes our word for anything ought to have his examined. Especially if it's the word of a Democrat President, which is not worth the paper it isn't printed on.

Clinton promised Ukraine protection if they gave up their nukes.

The Magic Negro let Ukraine's phone call go through to voice mail.

Ukraine, you fucked up! You trusted us!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 03:57 PM (YqDXo)

15 Montenegro sounds kinda racist. Time to think about a name change.

Posted by: Mega at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (LNX7T)

16 It's not that we're unwilling to go to war FOR Ukraine. We'd do it in a minute if Somalia mentioned being angry with them, or Libya.

We're unwilling to go to war with, you know, Russia. Because, they have a army and stuff.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (37IEG)

17 0 . Which other countries are we not willing to sacrifice the last non-DC-resident-life for? Any others? Or is it just Ukraine?

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 03:52 PM

Ironically, the United States.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UnA8+)

18 Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)

19 Hi, I'm Tuesday. Got something for me?

Posted by: Corona at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (MceDl)

20 Hell, I'm not sure I would support going to war for California.

Now AGAINST California, on the other hand, yeah I could see that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (k1TUh)

21 For the People of Montenegro

Posted by: Mega at July 18, 2018 03:59 PM (LNX7T)

22
"Moldovia Sucks!"
--Frank Moses

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 03:59 PM (roQNm)

23 Montenegro? Huh?

Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 03:59 PM (Z48ZB)

24 18 Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)

Because all the Warmongering Neocons have gone back home to the Demoncrat party.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 03:59 PM (UnA8+)

25 In the meantime, the unchastened neocons choose to selectively forget that the United States made security guarantees to Ukraine, promising to protect it in case of Russian invasion, and we have chosen to ignore those obligations.


Back when that was going on I looked up those "agreements". They were wishy-washy as hell. We could help them or we could ignore them.



Keep in mind that Clinton was president in 1994. He was not going to do shit anyway.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 18, 2018 03:59 PM (mpXpK)

26 anyone know if the movie was any good?

Posted by: SturmToddler at July 18, 2018 04:00 PM (8D42x)

27 IIRC, the oh-so fabulous Iran Deal committed us to militarily protecting Iran.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:00 PM (W+vEI)

28 Dean Rusk had it right way way back when Democrats actually were concerned about the spread of Communism. If the solemn word of the United States is called into question, who knows what kind of chaos will happen.

After eight years of Gaylord, we are again seeing what kind of chaos happens. And people are dying.

Am also reminded of the king of Ethiopia denouncing the League of Nations as Italy conquered his country. The League was long on words but never action. And the world suffered World War II.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 18, 2018 04:00 PM (hbrUV)

29 From RB Pundit on Twitter which seems right:

We've gotten to the point where the Chattering Class basically looks for things they might possibly get a cable news hit for.

Like today with this nonsense about there being a chance that we'd hand over Americans to Putin for questioning.

They were like "BOOK ME BOOK ME!!"

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 18, 2018 04:00 PM (OD2ni)

30 Some folks are really into Football, or Basketball, or Stock Car Racing ... or a million other similar activities.

They claim a personal satisfaction over the accomplishments of others - based upon nothing more than a conscious decision to Support That Particular Brand.

People are going to scream bloody murder about what I'm getting ready to say ... cry like rats eating onions really ... but it's true.

There's a set of folks out there that derive pleasure just by turning on the news and seeing US Troops fighting somewhere and winning. For all the same reasons that "Sports Fans" walk a little taller when Their Team Wins.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (fiGNd)

31 Look, is this something we can fix by shooting some bottle rockets or something? Maybe take out a herd of goats, or an aspirin factory, or a second rate Islamic hasbeen like Moe Khadafy?

If it is, I'm all for it!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama - most cleverist foreign policy president ever at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (37IEG)

32
Hugo Montenegro? We're at war with a movie star?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (roQNm)

33 These assholes are too fucking stupid to parody. Jonestown 2 is what's called for.

Drink the Koolaid, bitches. I SAID ALL OF IT!!!

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (y7DUB)

34 Any future wars must include a provision that corpulent Bill Kristol gets sent to the front.

Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (nBr1j)

35 "So instead they jerk themselves off about fantasy future hypotheticals about Montenegro."



Man, people want war. If not here than abroad. Wtf?!

I never trust people Want war. Especially the numbskulls mentioned in Ace's post.

They have proven, once again, how high they esteem themselves. Viewing everyone else as little wax soldiers to move around the playing board. Sickening. Truly, truly sickening.

I went from not respecting them, to despising them.



Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (CiCKR)

36 Wait. I've been in endless, exhausting meetings for the past two days. Who the hell is talking about invading Montenegro? How did this issue even come up?

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (RD7QR)

37 The question about Turkey is a nice way of pointing out how absolutely ridiculous it is to keep the Turks inside NATO anymore. Perhaps if they try to start a war and they get dumped on, it'll spark them into quitting on their own.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (k1TUh)

38 Who was NOT the host of Let's Make a Deal

Posted by: Mega at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (LNX7T)

39 they're all in for war because no one they know, let alone their children, are in the military.

they see it as a win/win

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (JdMqP)

40 >>Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?


Because they are really good at using a war to completely destroy the sitting GOP president over it.
Grim Milestones, Cindy Sheehan, Abu Garib, yadda yadda yadda. They want to give Drumpf the GW Bush treatment to win back Congress, the WH.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (W+vEI)

41 18 Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)


They always have been. Remember during the Iraq War, when the Reds wanted us instead to invade Rwanda?

Why? Because our interests were arguably involved with Iraq, but nobody gave a crap about Rwanda, so that would be the perfect place to sacrifice American lives and treasure.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (YqDXo)

42 liberal sanctimony on this is rising to an absurd height. Which means they're wrong and probably lying...but mostly wrong.

Is there a provision in NATO treaty for what happens when, say...turkey goes muz brotherhood or London drags England into an alliance with ISIS or Iran?

nah? then sorry old chap, not quite nuanced enough

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (GV6hq)

43 Hey!

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 18, 2018 04:02 PM (1SRec)

44 Had to stop halfway through the content to give "neocon Chairborne Rangers" it's due.... that's a good one, ace!!!

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (jjaLl)

45 *who want

Dammit

Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (CiCKR)

46 Ace is En Fuego!! Go, Ace, Go!

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (2sCft)

47 Monty Negro? He was my backup bodyman.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (37IEG)

48 Because they are really good at using a war to completely destroy the sitting GOP president America over it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (YqDXo)

49
I'm pretty non-cognizant about what went down in Crimea. But apparently they had a referendum and chose to align with the Russkies. I would suspect that the USA had more then 12 computer peeps trying to change the outcome of that referendum.

When it comes to USA and Russia, all I need to know I learned in 'Spy vs Spy' in 'Mad Magazine'.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (LOgQ4)

50 Does NATO have a treaty with Los Angeles?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (UsCnO)

51 * highly

Dammit

Please correct all my other mistakes in your mind. Ty.

Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:04 PM (CiCKR)

52 It looks like the DNC has found yet another winning strategy: if democrats were in power, we'd be going to war!!

Keep it up, guys!

Posted by: LASue at July 18, 2018 04:04 PM (Z48ZB)

53 Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?

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um, let's see...it's one of their greatest hits? Do war, dump it on the GOP's lap and then catterwall about how our soldiers are baby killers and the bad guys are actually akin to our founding fathers?

and then there's a cuck GOP waiting to lose it all to show not all republicans are like that.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at July 18, 2018 04:04 PM (GV6hq)

54 Monteafricanamerican.

Get it right. Raycisses.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 18, 2018 04:04 PM (9chmE)

55 Is this why Trump wants NATO nations to start ponying up.

Posted by: WisRich at July 18, 2018 04:04 PM (G0vdT)

56 Man, people want war. If not here than abroad. Wtf?!

I never trust people Want war. Especially the numbskulls mentioned in Ace's post.


Draft liberals, and make the expeditionary force headed by the 1st Hairy Legged Lesbian division, the Screaming Harpies.

Just be prepared for the atrocities when they capture male enemies.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM (YqDXo)

57 Any future wars must include a provision that corpulent Bill Kristol gets sent to the front.

Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever at July 18, 2018 04:01 PM (nBr1j)
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as a combat engineer assigned to clear minefields on a pogo stick.

just make sure the PAO folks are there with video cameras.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM (JdMqP)

58 It's never a good idea to expand an alliance while cutting its capabilities. Call me crazy.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM (Boy/L)

59 I'm pretty sure Monty was white.

Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM (HgMAr)

60 One of the many problems with UKR was the divided loyalties of the old office corp. The other was solid officer training>troop training. Poland OCS helped the officer bit and they now have some pretty okay line troops.

Lethal force would've done nothing in 2013 but kill more Ukrainians. But now? They're better able to handle it.

Posted by: 13times at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM (K3B2k)

61 Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)

So they have something new to blame us for, of course.

Posted by: antisocialist at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM (9BwmK)

62 Just hurry up and start a war we can blame Trump for--jingoistic fuck!

Posted by: Libs champing at the bit at July 18, 2018 04:06 PM (vDqXW)

63 The movie Ace is reviewing here is . . .

"All Quiet on the Western Front".

Perhaps you've heard of it, and know it ends badly for all concerned.

In related news, both DNC Head Lunatic Tom Perez and Dumbfuck Chris Cuomo have called Russia's election meddling "an act of WAR!" in recent days.

Posted by: Sharkman at July 18, 2018 04:06 PM (k2Hcx)

64 Does NATO have a treaty with Los Angeles?

I have hurt myself. Thread winner.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 18, 2018 04:06 PM (Boy/L)

65 It looks like the DNC has found yet another winning strategy: if democrats were in power, we'd be going to war!!

--

That was LBJ's campaign slogan. They were calling it a 'grand adventure'. Rally 'round the President and save the world from the dirty, godless commies, and defend America.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:06 PM (roQNm)

66 I declare WAR on Downfall Parody Hitler!

Posted by: ro-man at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (RuIsu)

67 That post would not even fit in Montenegro.

Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (HgMAr)

68 I was in Budapest once.

April 2003.

Was not allowed off the plane.

Seems the people of Hungary were not fond of Bush or OIF, and their govt wanted to keep it on the DL that US troops were on their soil, albeit temporarily (refuel enroute to Kuwait).

The crew was pretty p.o'd almost as much as we were, and allowed us to smoke on the plane.

The stampede of soldiers climbing over seats to get near the open doors was epic, though.

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (gBShP)

69 Game.Set.Match.Check.And.Mate.

Posted by: ShainS at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (ZoUbb)

70 You effed up. You trusted us.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (3HNOQ)

71 If Trump starts a war--remember we told you he was a tyrant!

It's like Hitler invading Poland.

Posted by: Libs champing at the bit at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (vDqXW)

72 Trump should have said Monte-N-word.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (k1TUh)

73 Ok, McCain, suit up and get back in that jet!

Posted by: Cheri at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (oiNtH)

74 When it comes to USA and Russia, all I need to know I learned in 'Spy vs Spy' in 'Mad Magazine'.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (LOgQ4)

Also the movie "Spies Like Us".
Such realism!

Posted by: antisocialist at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (9BwmK)

75 >>Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?



Could also make it easier for anarchy at home if our soldiers, national guardsmen are out of the country, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (W+vEI)

76 44 Had to stop halfway through the content to give "neocon Chairborne Rangers" it's due.... that's a good one, ace!!!
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:03 PM (jjaLl)

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Hooah. Too funneh.

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (gBShP)

77 Yeah, the Dems think of it like a thumb war.
McCain will go, you betcha!

Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (37IEG)

78 Don't forget about me.

Posted by: Georgia, no the other one at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (eaI2m)

79 Bosnia and Kosovo were the last two places the MFM was jonesing for a war. Jethro Bodine Slick, double aught commander in chief, managed to use up all our munitions and blow up the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. That bullshit did nothing for us strategically and helped bring radical Islam into Europe. Fuckers.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (y7DUB)

80
If Playboy was still around in it's original configuration and there was a 'Girls of Montenegro' issue that was of a highly stimulating nature, I might have some degree of concern on the lower end of the tumescent scale.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (LOgQ4)

81 That was LBJ's campaign slogan. They were calling it a 'grand adventure'. Rally 'round the President and save the world from the dirty, godless commies, and defend America.
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:06 PM (roQNm)


All the more reason to let liberals get in on a "grand adventure."

We can stay home and protest. I'm working on a papier mache head right now. Who wants to organize the drum circle? But in any case, we all need to stop bathing immediately for authenticity.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (YqDXo)

82 18
Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (UsCnO)
**
I am old enough when the Dems were crying "Chicken Hawk" over escapades in Afghanistan and Iraq - now it's all like: "Hey, Let's start a full bore shooting war with one of the last great nuclear super powers left on planet Earth because of a few hundred thousand dollars in Facebook ads and a Nigerian prince email sent to Tony Leftard Podesta.
Ummm - no thanks, leftards - you first

Posted by: Publius Redux at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (Fb9aZ)

83 I remember reading somewhere about a group of men who fought a war and founded a nation some 242-years ago who warned about "entangling" "alliances" and whatnot.

Smart men, they were.

Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (NYS7S)

84 The tumor wants what it wants.

Posted by: John McCain at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (vDqXW)

85 Ace's assessment of the past vis-a-vis Budapest Memorandum, the Great War, etc, is spot on.

But, I had not heard we were discussing the provision of a security guarantee for Montenegro.

Just who in the fuck is proposing this lunacy?

There's no link.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (UiRxW)

86 70 You effed up. You trusted us.
Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (3HNOQ)

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Muammar Gaddafi at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (G0vdT)

87 79 Bosnia and Kosovo were the last two places the MFM was jonesing for a war. Jethro Bodine Slick, double aught commander in chief, managed to use up all our munitions and blow up the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. That bullshit did nothing for us strategically and helped bring radical Islam into Europe. Fuckers.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (y7DUB)

I still want to know how many politicians were bought off by Islamic Interests circa Desert Storm.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (UnA8+)

88 Smart men, they were.
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (NYS7S)
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Really, though?

Aren't we just like 200 years smarter than them?

Posted by: Katy Tur with no D at July 18, 2018 04:10 PM (vDqXW)

89 Sock off.

Posted by: WisRich at July 18, 2018 04:10 PM (G0vdT)

90 Bosnia and Kosovo were the last two places the MFM was jonesing for a war.

After the big-talking, chest pounding Euros, who were going to "unite" to be the counterweight against the American hegemon, were quivering in fear and begging us to come over and do something about a problem right on their doorstep.

A bunch of Bluebirds could have acquitted themselves more honorably.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with a spark of divinity at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (YqDXo)

91 Girls of Montenegro' issue

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That would be a VERY good issue.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (UiRxW)

92 I had to do a little research to find out what the hell you were talking about, Ace. I did not hear Trump's comment about Montenegro.

I see what the argument is.. but, if you want to be in NATO, you have obligations to abide by the rules.

If you are in default on your military spending, you should not be able to count on unconditional protection from NATO.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (so+oy)

93
Who invaded Montenegro?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (roQNm)

94 Aren't we just like 200 years smarter than them?

Evidence, please. Anything you got. Show your work.

We'll wait.

(heh heh)

Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (NYS7S)

95 Tech advance has nothing to do with smarter.

Posted by: Corona at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (MceDl)

96 Last year, around Charlottesville, I began suspecting the Resistance was baiting the Sane people...trying to get them in the streets. Since then, that hypothesis has grown to a certainity. They want any kind of violence they can get.

However, if I had any doubts left, which I didn't, the last week has made it a slam dunk certainity.

Anyone agitating for war abroad is beyond cruel. It reminds me of Bill Maher wishing a recession on the country. Death and destruction should be the Dems new slogan.

Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (CiCKR)

97 Who invaded Montenegro?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse


The Hugonauts ....

Posted by: Adriane the Political Elite Critic ... at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (AoK0a)

98 If Playboy was still around in it's original configuration and there was a 'Girls of Montenegro' issue that was of a highly stimulating nature, I might have some degree of concern on the lower end of the tumescent scale.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic

Girls of Croatia

Posted by: Jean at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (eaI2m)

99 Does one "chomp" at the bit, or "champ" at the bit?




John Kerry to the white phone. Will the haughty John Kerry, who served in Vietnam, please pick up the white courtesy phone...

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (jjaLl)

100 Good thing we have an election coming up.

Vote for democrats if you want to go to war with Russia over Montenegro.

That should be popular.

Posted by: Warbuck at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (4So4m)

101 97
Who invaded Montenegro?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse



The Hugonauts ....

Posted by: Adriane the Political Elite Critic ... at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (AoK0a)

Grand Duchy of Fenwick.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (37IEG)

102 I'm pretty sure Monty was white.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:05 PM


I am if the price is right.

Posted by: Monty Hall at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (ctuyM)

103 One would do well to actually read the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 before concluding there was a commitment by the US to defend Ukraine in any way. Russia has violated it, however.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/ycwxft4n

Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (5NMZN)

104 Treaties have always been just a temporary framework until they have to be broken, re-written or withdrawn depending on the changing interest of one or both of the parties.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (L78vw)

105 95 Tech advance has nothing to do with smarter.
Posted by: Corona at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (MceDl)


Tech Evolves,
Humanity Devolves.

That's what the evidence shows me. Inverse relationship, IMO.


Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (CiCKR)

106 i wanna be a chairborne ranger, filling out forms for the young and old!

Posted by: redc1c4, calling cadence like a champ! at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (JdMqP)

107 75
>>Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?







Could also make it easier for anarchy at home if our soldiers, national guardsmen are out of the country, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (W+vEI)

If that is what they are thinking, perhaps they should look at the statistics showing the number of gun owners in the US, the number of weapons privately held, and the amount of ammo owned. Not every gun owner is in the military, or will be deployed.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (jxbfJ)

108 War against Monaco? What did they do?

Posted by: It's me donna at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (O2RFr)

109 105
95 Tech advance has nothing to do with smarter.

Posted by: Corona at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (MceDl)





Tech Evolves,

Humanity Devolves.



That's what the evidence shows me. Inverse relationship, IMO.







Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (CiCKR)

Facebook. Twitter.
QED.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (jxbfJ)

110 So now the Democrats are gonna be all like - "Oh Monty! Monty! Monty!"

Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (37IEG)

111 You will soon fight my wars!

Posted by: Alex Avacado-Cortex at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (r9UYA)

112 >>Anyone agitating for war abroad is beyond cruel. It reminds me of Bill Maher wishing a recession on the country. Death and destruction should be the Dems new slogan.



Yep - we wouldn't be losing many San Francisco/Austin/S. Boston/Park Slope soy boys if we got ourselves into another dang war.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (W+vEI)

113 106 i wanna be a chairborne ranger, filling out forms for the young and old!
Posted by: redc1c4, calling cadence like a champ! at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (JdMqP)

---

LOL!

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (gBShP)

114 105 That's what the evidence shows me. Inverse relationship, IMO.


Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (CiCKR)

What if AI decides to follow Islam?

Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (UnA8+)

115 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE NONE OF THEM ACTUALLY KNOW WHERE MONTENEGRO IS!

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (JdMqP)

116 108
War against Monaco? What did they do?

Posted by: It's me donna at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (O2RFr)
Stole one of our hawt actresses.

Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (37IEG)

117 I still want to know how many politicians were bought off by Islamic Interests circa Desert Storm.
Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (UnA8+)


That Jew hating prick, Baker, surely loved it when Scuds were fired at Tel Aviv. And then, miracle of miracles, Star Wars from Voodoo Economics intercepted some of them.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (y7DUB)

118 The tumor wants what it wants.

Posted by: John McCain at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (vDqXW)



LOL!!! That should be the tag line on the movie poster for whatever shitty movie they make about him.....

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (jjaLl)

119 Want this kind of crap to stop ?

If you want the US Government to stop getting into Entangling Alliances, and Silly Overseas Adventures, quit supporting the funding of a US Military capable of doing such shit.

Take away Government's toys.

As long as God Fearing Law and Order Republicans insist on a military capable of Projecting Serious Force ... Serious Force will be projected.

Regardless of if Projection is needed.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)

120

Shorter Ace.

Dear Neocons: Reality. How does it work?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (HaL55)

121 You effed up. You trusted us.

Posted by: JAS at July 18, 2018 04:07 PM (3HNOQ)



Tell me about it.

Posted by: Muammar Gaddafi at July 18, 2018 04:09 PM (G0vdT)


...<crickets>...

Posted by: Zombie Chris Stevens at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (9chmE)

122 100
Good thing we have an election coming up.



Vote for democrats if you want to go to war with Russia over Montenegro.



That should be popular.

Posted by: Warbuck at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (4So4m)

And why we are at it, we are taking away your plastic straws.......... just try to fight a war against Russia with no plastic straws!

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (UsCnO)

123 114
105 That's what the evidence shows me. Inverse relationship, IMO.





Posted by: platypus, gg channel at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM (CiCKR)



What if AI decides to follow Islam?

Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (UnA8+)

Unplug it.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (jxbfJ)

124 Yep - we wouldn't be losing many San Francisco/Austin/S. Boston/Park Slope soy boys if we got ourselves into another dang war.

Draft would fix that. Like actual, real, no-deferments, no-exceptions draft.

Yeah, I know. Won't happen. So long as "other peoples' kids" are doing the fighting and dying there will be plenty of well-fed assholes getting their rocks-off looking to get them killed.

Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (NYS7S)

125 "Grand Duchy of Fenwick.
Posted by: DamnedYankee "



Does she live on that little island between Bethany Beach and Ocean City?

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (OD2ni)

126

And isn't the word "Montenegro" racist?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (HaL55)

127 Tech advance has nothing to do with smarter.


Posted by: Corona at July 18, 2018 04:11 PM (MceDl)
---
that's only because you didn't adopt *MY* tech...

Posted by: L. Ron Hubbard at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (JdMqP)

128 Yep - we wouldn't be losing many San Francisco/Austin/S. Boston/Park Slope soy boys if we got ourselves into another dang war.
Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM


I'm still happy to come over during the holidays and discuss healthcare while sipping hot cocoa in my onesie.

Posted by: Pajama Boy at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (ctuyM)

129 Why do we still have nukes in Turkey?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (6Ll1u)

130 Montenegro sounds kinda racist. Time to think about a name change.

Posted by: Mega at July 18, 2018 03:58 PM (LNX7T)

Tell me about it....

Posted by: Niger at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (y8Foj)

131 Well, now we can re-institute the Montenegro War draft! And we can put SJW's into the front lines and let them fight for social justice against the Russian menace! And the TGBLQGdemented troops too!
And ANTIFA will want a piece of punching some of them Russian FACISTS!


Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (37IEG)

132 Fun Facts to know and tell:

The capital of Montenegro is Podgorica.
Official language is Montenegrin.
Area is 5,333 square miles.
They drive on the right.

There's a joke in there somewhere.

Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (HgMAr)

133 Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)

That's one of your sillier posts.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (L78vw)

134 And isn't the word "Montenegro" racist?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (HaL55)

--------------------
MontePride !

Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (5NMZN)

135 Turkey? Shirley you jest.

Why would we defend Turkey from Israel?
We didn't even defend ourselves from Israel.


(Mediterranean mistaken identity attack on one of our surveillance ships or something. USS Liberty 8 June 1967. But there was another one more recently. Bing is not helping.)

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (roQNm)

136 Take away Government's toys.



As long as God Fearing Law and Order Republicans insist on a
military capable of Projecting Serious Force ... Serious Force will be
projected.



Regardless of if Projection is needed.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)


Butbutbutt... they took ur jerbs!!!!

Posted by: Military Industrial Complex at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (9chmE)

137
".. a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing." -Chamberlain

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (Zskvw)

138 All the criminals that come here from Mexico are foot soldiers in their invading army. Let's invage Mexico.

Posted by: torabora at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (O18YC)

139 124 Yeah, I know. Won't happen. So long as "other peoples' kids" are doing the fighting and dying there will be plenty of well-fed assholes getting their rocks-off looking to get them killed.
Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (NYS7S)


More directly : You win Federal Office? Your children are auto-bound to mandatory service.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (UnA8+)

140 Draft would fix that. Like actual, real, no-deferments, no-exceptions draft.

Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:15 PM (NYS7S)


I get the sentiment ... but start up a draft, and I send my kids to Canada.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (fiGNd)

141 Monte Negro > Monty Python.

Posted by: Terry Gilliam at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (/qEW2)

142 Here's the problem, since Montenegro is a member of NATO w are obligated under the terms of article 5 of the treaty " If one NATO country is attacked, all NATO countries would be considered under attack as well and would join in defense." We call NATO countries after 9/11 to honor article 5 and they did in different ways but they did. Why would they except less of us if they were attack? What of the Baltic States?

Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (Bdeb0)

143 Yes, the Democrats and their neocon allies need to campaign on a promise to go to war with Russia. Also, they need to explain to their SJW fan base a military draft is needed due to the troops required, and as part of #theresistance it is their patriotic obligation not even to wait but to enlist immediately.

The treasonous Trump cannot be trusted to start such a war or military draft. Yes, Blue Wave!

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (96FM8)

144 138
All the criminals that come here from Mexico are foot soldiers in their invading army. Let's invage Mexico.

Posted by: torabora at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (O18YC)

And what will we do the day after tomorrow?

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (jxbfJ)

145 Take away Government's toys.



As long as God Fearing Law and Order Republicans insist on a
military capable of Projecting Serious Force ... Serious Force will be
projected.



Regardless of if Projection is needed.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)



So, just concede the entire world to whatever military wants to take it? I'm not going along with that plan at all.

Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (jjaLl)

146 Great piece Ace. Trump was right that NATO is obsolete as it was designed to fight WWII all over again. What would an all out war against Russia look like (hot or cold)? Not very pretty. And putting tanks on the border of Germany doesn't make any sense at all. Our military and the neocons never got beyond WWII strategy/tactics. Trump is absolutely right to question NATO and the current military and diplomatic strategies that have been in place for the last 60 years. Look at how useless and counterproductive the UN has become. Maybe there are better options. At least Trump is willing to try something different.

Turkey was put into NATO so that they wouldn't get into a war with Greece (also in NATO). But what do we do now if Turkey and Israel start going at it? Good question.

Posted by: Tommy at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (yEAdf)

147 ...<crickets>...


Posted by: Zombie Chris Stevens at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (9chmE)

It was a MOVIE Chris! It was caused by a YouTube Movie! Get OVER it and move on, I know I have.

Posted by: Mecha_Hillary_2020 at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (37IEG)

148 132 Fun Facts to know and tell:

The capital of Montenegro is Podgorica.
Official language is Montenegrin.
Area is 5,333 square miles.
They drive on the right.

There's a joke in there somewhere.
Posted by: wth at July 18, 2018 04:16 PM (HgMAr)

Did Paul Barbado already do a Montenegro video?

Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (UnA8+)

149 Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)

If I recall, Ike warned about "The Military Industrial Complex" and "The Government, Media, Academia Complex" (though not in so many words).

Smart man, he was.

Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (NYS7S)

150 i wanna be a chairborne ranger, filling out forms for the young and old!
Posted by: redc1c4, calling cadence like a champ! at July 18, 2018 04:12 PM


* sniff * Doesn't rhyme.

Posted by: Jody Call at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (ctuyM)

151 The worst part of this is that it makes genuine efforts to convince Iran and North Korea to give up on their nuclear ambitions that much more difficult.

You see a chunk of Ukraine get annexed and Libya go to the wolves after swearing off WMDs.

Then on the other side Pakistan is treated with kid gloves because they are part of the nuclear club. China and Russia have free reign to do whatever they want with only the mildest of reprecussions. Claim another country or large parts of the ocean as your own and maybe some wargames will get scheduled.

Our words tell countries to curb their nuclear development and eliminate existing weapons, but our actions only reinforce how critical nukes are to maintaining real sovereignty.

Posted by: Sjg at July 18, 2018 04:19 PM (gDSJf)

152 The capital of Montenegro is Podgorica.
Official language is Montenegrin.
Area is 5,333 square miles.
They drive on the right.

-----

And, in an incredibly short-sighted move they split off of Serbia about ten years back.

Wouldn't have this f'in problem, if they'd stayed on board.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:19 PM (UiRxW)

153 Could also make it easier for anarchy at home if our soldiers, national guardsmen are out of the country, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:08 PM (W+vEI)

---

There are more guns in the hands of Americans than there are police/military ones combined.

Plus, active duty folks make up about 1% of the population, and out of those, about a quarter, give or take, are deployed at any particular time.

If these yahoos are truly thinking a war will make it easier to subjugate Americans, they're more idiotic than I thought.

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 18, 2018 04:19 PM (gBShP)

154 And what will we do the day after tomorrow?
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed


The Carmel Flan isn't bad ...

Posted by: Adriane the Political Elite Critic ... at July 18, 2018 04:19 PM (AoK0a)

155 All those cooties that makes my whoo haa itchy and scratchy are Invaders that I attack right back with a hair brush.

Posted by: Lena Dunham at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (O18YC)

156 I don't believe there is a country called Montenegro.

That sound like the name of a Buick.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (xfb67)

157 Fuck Montenegro!
Fuck it in the ear.

Posted by: Iron Wombat at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (/qASX)

158 Why are these Democrats suddenly jonesing for war everywhere?


1.Because we will lie and say it was Trump's fault.
2. It will get people who are NOT democrats killed.

Posted by: Winston Smith at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (tqyrn)

159 This was always the profound problem with the Syria deal. Obama, as always, could not be bothered to do things legally or the way the Constitution requires. There is a reason treaties require senate approval. There is a reason Obama did not call this a treaty. To the left, words don't actually mean anything--they are markers for whatever sentiments will be added later on. If Russia doesn't think we'll actually defend people we have signed treaties with, Vlad will keep on pushing. Because, why not?

Posted by: IanDeal at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (5mrLG)

160 This is part of why I am for disbanding NATO. Anyone with any sense knows it includes many states that we would not go to war to defend if invaded (Baltic States, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria). It's really unserious.

Posted by: Bear with Assymetrical Balls at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (1b+5Z)

161 Let's invage Mexico.

Posted by: torabora at July 18, 2018 04:17 PM (O18YC)

---
we should have just kept it after the war... it might almost be civilized by now.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (JdMqP)

162 No, seriously, is there anybody actually discussing invading Montenegro?

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (RD7QR)

163 Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)


So, just concede the entire world to whatever military wants to take it? I'm not going along with that plan at all.


Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 18, 2018 04:18 PM (jjaLl)


Oh hell yes. Dead serious.


Any country that I care ANYTHING about, outside of this one, can fend for themselves. If they have to.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (9chmE)

164 It's Not Too Late to Declare War on Russia for the Ukraine

Now are you talking Ace!

I am much more American than any of you and know much better than you what is best for interest of Americans!

First, we send US Marines to beachhead in Syria, conquer country from Assad and Putin. No price is too great to pay for such success!

Remaining millions of Sunni in Syria must be removed from region and placed in United States.

If racist nazi fascist white supremacist flyover scum resist too strongly, then can be placed in Germany, France and Britain.

Assad and his Alawites must be cleansed from region. Bigot anti-Semite Christians in Syria support Assad and therefore must be cleansed from region!

Then we must send 101 Airborne to take Crimea. Then bring in Armored Division to move up to take Moscow. Look, I am Russian native and expert of military history, you must trust me on this!

But we must prepare now with draft! And we must disband fascist ICE and open border to process all New Americans into new American Foreign Legion!

Posted by: Max Boot at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (DuAZ5)

165 Montenegro better pay up.

Posted by: Undocumented at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (5NMZN)

166 War against Monaco? What did they do?

Posted by: It's me donna at July 18, 2018 04:13 PM (O2RFr)
Stole one of our hawt actresses.
Posted by: DamnedYankee at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (37IEG)

The Dodge Monaco was a damn fine automobile...

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (y8Foj)

167 Turkey and Israel start going at it?


It would depend on the circumstance of why?

Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (Bdeb0)

168 Brilliantly argued.

Posted by: Your Friendly Neighborhood Witch at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (HLTe8)

169 So sure: Let's have an honest discussion

This sums up Why Trump better than nearly anything.

Since, hmm, let's peg shortly after WWII and escalating at every dizzying speeds since then, the political class has utterly refused to have an honest discussion about anything.

Social Security funds are placed into a trust fund with a lock box which can never be used for anything else.

If we grant amnesty now, then that is the last one ever and the wall will be built and illegal immigrants will never ever ever qualify for public assistance.

National security demands that we have greater powers of surveillance and those will never be used against US citizens and even questioning otherwise is a slap in the face of those who risk their lives to protect us.

Democracy. Whisky. Sexy.

Pick whatever topic you like, and it has been lies lies lies lies lies.

See re: Build the damn wall.

It's all been lies and lies and lies and lies and whenever there are attempts at honest discussions, everyone howls like particularly stupid howler monkeys.

So along comes Trump and, see, I keep hearing what a con man and charlatan he is and I can't help but noticing that he's actually doing what he said.

So. You know. Our Betters can suck start a Harley.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (dEQP3)

170 O/T. For anyone paying attention, Rasmussen has the Generic Congressional polling at D+5 with Likely Voters. They are the only polling firm to have switched over to LV's. Everyone else is using registered voters and there are still one or two using "adults".


Remember, democrats needs to have a 4-5+ point lead just to keep the seats they have due to gerrymandering.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (+Dllb)

171
My friends, you don't have to be afraid of nuclear war over MountTheNegro.

Posted by: John McCain's Tumma at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (LOgQ4)

172


I do hope the unpleasantries don't spill over into Peruvia.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (HaL55)

173 What do we want?
WAR!!!
When do we want it?
NOW!!!

Posted by: hippie kristol at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (Evws/)

174
Trump! OMG!!

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (roQNm)

175 156
I don't believe there is a country called Montenegro.



That sound like the name of a Buick.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (xfb67)
Yes there is! The capital is CostaPlenty. I ought to know, I had to dodge sniper fire there when I visited while Bill was President.

Posted by: Mecha_Hillary_2020 at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (37IEG)

176 I don't believe there is a country called Montenegro.

That sound like the name of a Buick.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 18, 2018 04:20 PM (xfb67)

Naming a country Montenegro is a racist microaggression. It should be MonteAfricanEuropean.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (9BLnV)

177 AVENGE MONTENEGRO!!!

*fap fap fap*

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (r9UYA)

178 I get the sentiment ... but start up a draft, and I send my kids to Canada.

Your kids, plus about 10-million soi-bois who wouldn't be able to vote in our elections anymore. Hmmmmm...

Posted by: DocJ at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (NYS7S)

179 Well, the millions of Mexicans--and Central Americans--we've allowed into the country the past few decades will sure come in handy when we go to war with Russia.

Maybe that was part of the plan?

Posted by: JoeF. at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (y8Foj)

180 We should invade Montenegro for its problematic name!! It is highly offensive and racist!!

WAR!!!

Posted by: SJW, Grievance Warrior at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (4VhKa)

181 How about "we will protect Montenegro from unserious threats like Albania and maybe Bosnia, probably from Serbia but we'll have to look at it, and no way from Russia. Nuh uh. Not worth it".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 18, 2018 04:22 PM (fuK7c)

182 And, seriously, there's no link I can find.

Who is proposing this stupid idea for a security guarantee? Is it Trump? Is it Congress? Is it just idiotic press-men?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (UiRxW)

183 I'm still of the opinion that King Barry and ValJar were actively trying to get the US Mainland nuked.

Posted by: Hikaru at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (UnA8+)

184 119 Want this kind of crap to stop ?

If you want the US Government to stop getting into Entangling Alliances, and Silly Overseas Adventures, quit supporting the funding of a US Military capable of doing such shit.

Take away Government's toys.

As long as God Fearing Law and Order Republicans insist on a military capable of Projecting Serious Force ... Serious Force will be projected.

Regardless of if Projection is needed.
Posted by: ScoggDog at July 18, 2018 04:14 PM (fiGNd)

---

ScoggDog...

Cutting off your nose to spite your face is the height of moronic, and not in a good way.

I loves ya, but come on, man.

Posted by: SMH - Get right or get left at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (gBShP)

185 This is part of the reason that Trump is pushing so hard the alliance to pay up so that the countries over there done NED our troops to bail them out again.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (Bdeb0)

186 >>So along comes Trump and, see, I keep hearing what a con man and charlatan he is and I can't help but noticing that he's actually doing what he said.

So. You know. Our Betters can suck start a Harley.





Threadwinner!

Posted by: Lizzy at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (W+vEI)

187 So. You know. Our Betters can suck start a Harley.

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 18, 2018 04:21 PM (dEQP3)
---------------------------

We will use them to muffle the obnoxious sounds of the Harleys.

Posted by: George Patant at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (5NMZN)

188 These treaties have always been worthless - ask the Poles about their treaties with England and France when WW2 started. Inferno by Max Hastings is an excellent read on that sham.

Posted by: rammajamma at July 18, 2018 04:23 PM (AjNMO)

189 If Montenegro attacks Russia we are under no obligation to defend them under Article 5. Trump's example was off base though I understand what he was trying to say.

Posted by: Lancelot Link Secret Agent Chimp at July 18, 2018 04:24 PM (L78vw)

190
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