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Now It Can Be Told: CBO Says Health Care Will Cost $115 Billion More Than They Originally Estimated

Well, that's why God created erasers the delete key.

The revised figure is due to estimated costs to federal agencies to implement the new health care reform bill – such as administrative expenses for the Internal Revenue Services and the Department of Health and Human Services -- and the costs for a "variety of grant and other program spending for which specified funding levels for one or more years are provided in the act."

CBO had originally estimated that the health care reform bill would result in a net reduction in federal deficits of $143 billion from 2010-2019; this revised number would eliminate most of that savings.

In a statement, House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said that the new CBO analysis "provides ample cause for alarm. This comes just weeks after the Obama administration itself released an analysis confirming that the new law actually increases Americans’ health care costs. The American people wanted one thing above all from health care reform: lower costs, which Washington Democrats promised, but they did not deliver. These revelations widen the serious credibility gap President Obama is facing."

Office of Management and Budget spokesman Kenneth Baer said in response that the health care law "will reduce the deficit by more than $100 billion in the first decade, and that will not change unless Congress acts to change it. If these authorizations are funded, they must be offset somewhere else in the discretionary budget. The President has called for a non-security discretionary spending freeze, and he will enforce that with his veto pen."

It's interesting that the increased costs come from added overhead.

Democrats complained that private insurance was inefficient and had to much overhead and not enough patient care money. Meanwhile they are adding billions and billions of dollars in, er, overhead to their plan.

This kind of variable is something you think the government would have a better handle on from the start. They have a lot of experience, unfortunately, of starting programs and staffing them. You'd think they be able to have their implementation cost estimates last more than 2 months before they started going up. Guess not. I wonder how much these overhead costs will rise in the next 4 years when the program really starts to kick in.

Administrative costs should be one of the most predicable variables in this monstrosity. What do you think is going to happen to real spending on programs (where the big money is) when bills start coming in from unpredictable things like people and their various illnesses. How long do you think the fake CBO numbers on actual health care costs 5 or 6 years from now will stand up? Yeah, just like all other government entitlement programs...way more costs than estimated.

But don't worry, it's not as if we are already in debt up to our necks and living on borrowed money. Oh wait.

Seems one side in this debate knew this would happen all along and the other lied about the costs. When will opponents of the health care law get their apology from Democrats and the MFM? Right, as soon as the ice age gets to Hell.

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:27 AM




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1 Democrats complained that private insurance was inefficient and had to
much overhead and not enough patient care money. Meanwhile they are
adding billions and billions of dollars in, er, overhead to their plan.


It's almost like they intended to destroy the existing health care system and replace it with a Canadian- or British-style system.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 12, 2010 10:29 AM (mR7mk)

2 Get back on the phones and demand a repeal.

It was false advertising etc....the big lie....


Posted by: non_dhimmie at May 12, 2010 10:37 AM (zACGu)

3 Barry: If you like or don't like your skyrocketing cost of health care under my system you can keep it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 12, 2010 10:40 AM (1Jaio)

4 Bush Lied .... That is why the price tag is higher. So, givethat SOBa call!!!

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 12, 2010 10:40 AM (SZy+Y)

5 I'm sure everyone is shocked and stunned.

Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2010 10:41 AM (OlN4e)

6 The MSM call this "unexpected"

Posted by: Mjim at May 12, 2010 10:41 AM (V8B//)

7 The CBO acted stupidly.

Posted by: Teh Won at May 12, 2010 10:41 AM (9hSKh)

8 I'm sure ace would say that it is ok for gov't to stick its nose in our health care business. It is for the greater good afterall (and for the children).

Posted by: gm at May 12, 2010 10:41 AM (ELiBu)

9 At least the horse looked appealing at first...what excuse do you have?

Posted by: Citizens of Troy at May 12, 2010 10:42 AM (9hSKh)

10 I am tired of everyone picking on Governor Obamama. He is trying to save us in Californica. Swatzenagger screwed up this state and he is trying to fix it. If you don't like it, then don't vote for Obamamama in October 2010. We the people of Californica will has justice....

Posted by: LaQuisha McGee from Compton, CA at May 12, 2010 10:45 AM (SZy+Y)

11 It's almost like they intended to destroy the existing health care system and replace it with a Canadian- or British-style system.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 12, 2010 10:29 AM (mR7mk)
It is almost just like that, isn't it?

Posted by: Barry "I Support Single Payer" Soetero at May 12, 2010 10:45 AM (DrWcr)

12 You'd think they be able to have their implementation cost estimates last more than 2 months before they started going up.
I'm not convinced that they didn't know this. Hell, they hid the Doc Fix because that would have pushed them above the trillion dollar threshold. I'm comfortable with opining that the implementation costs were lowballed for the same reason.

Posted by: The Outlaw in the Heavenly Hall at May 12, 2010 10:45 AM (alVnv)

13 I fear Greeks Democrats even those bearing gifts bribes.

Posted by: Modern Virgil at May 12, 2010 10:45 AM (9hSKh)

14 Yea - colored me shocked by the news.

Posted by: Mallamutt at May 12, 2010 10:46 AM (OWjjx)

15 Those assumption do not include a Republican congress going thru and zero funding every appropriations bill.

Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2010 10:46 AM (OlnxK)

16 The fuck I care it too damn expensive? You payin' for it, not me.

Posted by: Way Too Many People at May 12, 2010 10:46 AM (rplL3)

17 Somehow, seeing numbers put to what I already knew infuriates me all over again.

Posted by: Shillelagh at May 12, 2010 10:47 AM (Oz4Bj)

18 >>>The President has called for a non-security discretionary spending
freeze, and he will enforce that with his veto pen."

Bulls$%t.

Obama is the biggest increaser of Federal spending in the past 60 years.

During the pre-election debates, he mocked McCain for having the audacity to propose just that. . .a non-discretionary spending freeze.

Posted by: looking closely at May 12, 2010 10:48 AM (6Q9g2)

19 I would queue up the suspense music but that would actually call for there to be suspense or an unanticipated event.



This fails to qualify.

Posted by: Haywood at May 12, 2010 10:48 AM (eoYse)

20 I'm not convinced that they didn't know this.

Democrats lie, water wet, fire hot, Garafalo ugly, etc.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 12, 2010 10:48 AM (mR7mk)

21 Dogs bark. Bees sting...

Posted by: CUS at May 12, 2010 10:52 AM (wOGfT)

22 Look at the bright side. The news of the latest Commiecrat bullshit fest ain't gonna help them in the fall. I'm talking to you Blanche and Dingy Harry. You guys might as well pack your bags, cause you and a lot of your company are friggin' history. Forgettable history.

Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2010 10:52 AM (OlN4e)

23 Meet Georgia's new state senator. 34 years old. Qualifications for the job: Peace Corps, job as an attorney, Democratic party activist.
Becausewhat America needs right now isn't justanother political dynasty - it's that dynasty.

Posted by: Zimriel at May 12, 2010 10:52 AM (9Sbz+)

24 just heard on local radio news break the gop will not hold their convention in az....one reason? sb1070......why wouldn't the gop want to support a red state?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 12, 2010 10:53 AM (ucxC/)

25 I suspect the CBO will be continually raising this number thru January.

Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2010 10:55 AM (6Njk9)

26 This, of course, is spectacularly unsurprising to anyone with a higher than room-temperature IQ.

Any time government takes-over anything:
1) costs go up, forever and/or (but mostly "and")
2) quality and choice go down, until everyone gets the same level of crappy "service"

Every. F***ing. Time.

Posted by: DocJ at May 12, 2010 10:56 AM (dt6br)

27 Shocker ...

No one could have foreseen this.

Posted by: damian at May 12, 2010 10:56 AM (4WbTI)

28 Seems one side in this debate knew this would happen all along and the
other lied about the costs. When will opponents of the health care law
get their apology from Democrats and the MFM? Right, as soon as the ice
age gets to Hell.

If we had a free press this would have been published wide and far.

Posted by: Vic at May 12, 2010 10:56 AM (6taRI)

29 25 just heard on local radio news break the gop will not hold their convention in az....one reason? sb1070......why wouldn't the gop want to support a red state?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 12, 2010 10:53 AM (ucxC/)
Because the clueless fucks don't understand that Commiecrat Lite has a shelf life of zero. Similar to their shelf life. We really, really need to put those idiots on the street. They get NOTHING from me. No time, no money, no respect.

Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2010 10:57 AM (OlN4e)

30 Yep, as long as its for the children, we need to just roll over. Even if there are other solutions and personal responsibility might be an issue, we must accept any government expansion "for the children".

Posted by: ed at May 12, 2010 10:57 AM (Urhve)

31 Forget repealing this piece of crap. Just get the Republicans backing in the conn and sic the FTC after everyone who approved a false advertising message.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 12, 2010 10:58 AM (cQyWA)

32 This is the last time I'm going to tell you- none of this Federal spending has to do with children or puppies, it is targeted at employment for Democrat voters.

That is all

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at May 12, 2010 10:59 AM (w9bVp)

33 unexpected

Posted by: willow at May 12, 2010 11:00 AM (7FgWm)

34 The GOP needs to cleanse itself of RINOs. They are part of the problem, and none of the solution. My love for them is equal to my love of all other socialists.

Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2010 11:01 AM (OlN4e)

35 Yep, as long as its for the children, we need to just roll over. Even
if there are other solutions and personal responsibility might be an
issue, we must accept any government expansion "for the children".

Yeah, screw that. I hate children and the fastest way to get me to oppose anything is to do the "for the children" bullshit.

I don't understand why that's supposed to be a sure fire way to stop people's thought process. Okay, it's "for the children". Well, I still want to know if it's actually going to help children, what the problem is, if this is an efficient solution to the problem and if there are other, better options.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 12, 2010 11:01 AM (8WZWv)

36 er mjm got there first! blast it.

Posted by: willow at May 12, 2010 11:01 AM (7FgWm)

37 I'm beginning to smell what progressoverpeace has been cooking. This won't end without violence.

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at May 12, 2010 11:02 AM (w9bVp)

38 Like EasyBake® gives a rat's patoot about $115 billion piddly dollars. Doesn't matter how much it costs, only that it makes you prols suffer. Well, that and unionizing the whole healthcare workforce to forever vote dem to keep their jobs, but mainly the suffering part. Viva SEIU!

Posted by: RushBabe at May 12, 2010 11:02 AM (W8m8i)

39 Um, the entire Obamacare project is "added overhead."

Its the whole point of Obamacare.

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at May 12, 2010 11:03 AM (yUybe)

40 I told you all we'd have to pass this to see what was in it. Surprise!

Posted by: Nancy Pelousi at May 12, 2010 11:03 AM (9hSKh)

41 And we should roll over on Kagan as well. After all, he won. Therefore, we must vote to confirm a military hating far leftist.

Posted by: ed at May 12, 2010 11:03 AM (Urhve)

42 yeah remember gvt's waste of Billions of dollars was a Big Fkn Deal? now it's into trillions and nary a scream from the media.

Posted by: willow at May 12, 2010 11:04 AM (7FgWm)

43 We LIKE children. And we like the Democratic Party! They are looking out for our interests (when they can lie about it, that is).

Posted by: NAMBLA at May 12, 2010 11:04 AM (OlN4e)

44 In addition, I won't cum in your mouth...

Posted by: the government at May 12, 2010 11:05 AM (YVZlY)

45
Chump change. I blow that much on condoms and methadone every 20 minutes or so.

Posted by: The Deficit at May 12, 2010 11:07 AM (UA4gE)

46 Does this extra 115 billion dollars make my ass look fat?

Posted by: the government at May 12, 2010 11:08 AM (YVZlY)

47
That's Numberwang!

Posted by: Your Friends at Numberwang™ at May 12, 2010 11:08 AM (UA4gE)

48 The Republicans should call a press conference and demand hearings.
Do it! It's an election year!

Posted by: elloit m at May 12, 2010 11:11 AM (RB5UU)

49 Before Obamacare: One Bottle Extra Strength Tylenol $9.99

After Obamacare: One Bottle Extra Strength Tylenol $199.80

Posted by: mpfs at May 12, 2010 11:11 AM (iYbLN)

50 #50 There won't be any Extra Strength Tylenol available under Obamacare. Too expensive.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 12, 2010 11:12 AM (9hSKh)

51 *Sigh* If only there were a way to prove that Ovomit wasn't really eligible to be prez. All the horse manure (plus the Wise Latina) would be nullified and thrown out or rectified. *Sigh.* Help us, Andrew Breitbart.

Posted by: RushBabe at May 12, 2010 11:13 AM (W8m8i)

52 Here's what a billion clams in $100.00 bills looks like. Multiply by 115...

Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2010 11:14 AM (OlN4e)

53 To make sure this unexpected number doesn't get any higher, We will make sure to enforce food laws. Don't worry We're on it!
We also have wonderful ideas about whom gets proper care and who shouldn't because of their very wrong thinking ways.
you eat mickey d's ? how about that really unhealthy cereal lucky charmso well we warned ya
Please avail yourselves of proper parenting, eating, traveling vehicles for the greater good-courses being taught at the local police station near you.
notification, no blackberry's, ipod's, cameras allowed.

Posted by: willow at May 12, 2010 11:14 AM (7FgWm)

54 You know, when you provide each of the Death Panel members with their own military chauffeur, your overhead's gonna go up.

Posted by: alppuccino at May 12, 2010 11:15 AM (Gm031)

55 OT: Chicago stripclub holds Palin look-alike contest. And they're donating proceeds to Tea Party Movement. HUH? http://tinyurl.com/26eu4eq

Posted by: conscious and saying I'm Sarah's next husband at May 12, 2010 11:15 AM (YVZlY)

56 56 - now we know where Ace is

Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2010 11:17 AM (JaO+v)

57 I just stick the tip in...honest

Posted by: the government at May 12, 2010 11:17 AM (YVZlY)

58 51
#50 There won't be any Extra Strength Tylenol available under Obamacare. Too expensive.


Posted by: Kratos

Please sir, may I have one Tylenol?

Posted by: mpfs at May 12, 2010 11:18 AM (iYbLN)

59 I like my money on pallets.

Posted by: Mugabe at May 12, 2010 11:18 AM (JaO+v)

60 Obama and Karzai are about to hold a press conference in D.C.

Posted by: Mjim at May 12, 2010 11:18 AM (V8B//)

61 Today the price of Obamacare "Unexpectedly Rose".........

Posted by: MSNBC at May 12, 2010 11:18 AM (SZy+Y)

62 Didn't someone post the actual cost to the government per car from the Cash for Clunkers way back on here? Wasn't it something absurd like $12,000 per car or something like that? Seems to me the same effect would apply here.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at May 12, 2010 11:18 AM (WGcw3)

63 #56 ugh, don't read the comments if you want your bp to remain low. Typical "Palin is an idiot" fare.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 12, 2010 11:19 AM (9hSKh)

64 58
I just stick the tip in...honest

Posted by: the government
It'll be fine as long as I use a lot of lube....honest.

Posted by: mpfs at May 12, 2010 11:19 AM (iYbLN)

65 If a business deliberatly witholds from investors inforation about the costs of a new project for which it is seeking investors, it is liable for fraud. How is what the socialists have done, in deliberatley withholding and misrepresenting the cost of Obamacare, any less a fraud? And isn't fraud an impeachable offense? Why aren't pols held to basic standarrds of disclore and fair dealing that the rest f us are held to?

Posted by: Banana Republican at May 12, 2010 11:19 AM (jat5l)

66 No Tylenol - well I can suck up the pain; but no Midol and life could get unbearable.

Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2010 11:19 AM (mtAmx)

67 O/T
Ah...The young Obamites have now gotten into the billboard game. Must see.
http://tinyurl.com/2e428a8

Posted by: RushBabe at May 12, 2010 11:20 AM (W8m8i)

68 Don't worry, it'll really be $155 Trillion more than estimated.

Posted by: Doc at May 12, 2010 11:20 AM (WKOg4)

69 61 Obama and Karzai are about to hold a press conference in D.C.
Posted by: Mjim at May 12, 2010 11:18 AM (V8B//)
I knowthey have a complicated relationship, but I'm curious as to which one plays the role of the goat...

Posted by: conscious and asking the hard questions at May 12, 2010 11:20 AM (YVZlY)

70 Typical "Palin is an idiot" fare.

Chicago = Democrat

Posted by: CUS at May 12, 2010 11:20 AM (wOGfT)

71 Nothing to see here. Move along.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at May 12, 2010 11:22 AM (EL+OC)

72 oops
Why aren't pols held to basic standards of disclosure and fair dealing that the rest of us are held to?
all better

Posted by: Banana Republican at May 12, 2010 11:23 AM (jat5l)

73 Oh yeah. And:

Democrat = going broke. Mayor Daley is busy selling off pieces of the city to try to keep his head above water. The Skyway, Parking meters, etc.

Posted by: CUS at May 12, 2010 11:23 AM (wOGfT)

74
When things cost more via HIGHER TAXES (which are patriotic) the democrats approve.



Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 12, 2010 11:23 AM (0fzsA)

75 Democrats complained that private
insurance was inefficient and had to
much overhead and not enough patient care money. Meanwhile they are
adding billions and billions of dollars in, er, overhead to their plan.

Yeah, but this is the good kind of overhead, not that icky profit kind of overhead.

Posted by: Mal at May 12, 2010 11:24 AM (Z+qzA)

76 Office of Management and Budget spokesman Kenneth Baer said in response that the health care law "will reduce the deficit by more than $100 billion in the first decade, and that will not change unless Congress acts to change it. If these authorizations are funded, they must be offset somewhere else in the discretionary budget. The President has called for a non-security discretionary spending freeze, and he will enforce that with his veto pen."
So spokesman Baer is saying that these costs were in the package but no revenue stream created for them. And this wasn't included in the spending numbers because?
Yet, somehow, future Congresses are to come up with the revenue either by raiding other budgets, additional taxes or deficit spending. And apparently this asshat Kenneth Baer thinks the President will wield his might veto pen if the spending isn't funded for his pet project.

Posted by: Prof. Venkman at May 12, 2010 11:25 AM (4JpPD)

77 Orange jumpsuits, please.

Posted by: Fallen Sparrow at May 12, 2010 11:26 AM (SOf9N)

78 #59 Please sir, may I have one Tylenol?

You'll get nothing and you'll like it!

Posted by: Death Paneler (with a driver) at May 12, 2010 11:28 AM (9hSKh)

79 I was told there would be no math.

Posted by: Barry Obama at May 12, 2010 11:32 AM (oLULt)

80 And apparently this asshat Kenneth Baer thinks the President will wield
his might veto pen if the spending isn't funded for his pet project.

Wouldn't that require a line-item veto? When did he get one of those?

Posted by: CUS at May 12, 2010 11:32 AM (wOGfT)

81
Does anyone actually believe it's ONLY $115 billion? That's off by a factor of 10, at least.

Posted by: Dang Straights at May 12, 2010 11:33 AM (fx8sm)

82 I was told there would be no math.

Math is racist! Let's go shopping!

Posted by: Barbie Obama at May 12, 2010 11:33 AM (mR7mk)

83 #71 Chicago = Democrat

Chronically so. They'll follow Mayor Daley to their doom.



Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 12, 2010 11:33 AM (9hSKh)

84 "We're from the government and we are here to help!"

I am almost jaded by the constant stream of lies and taxes coming from Washington that I'm just about ready to be VERY unhappy.

Posted by: Gmac at May 12, 2010 11:34 AM (k2Fyd)

85 Won't drug dealers medical marijuana caregivers be able to compensate for this minor discrepancy?

Posted by: Fritz at May 12, 2010 11:35 AM (GwPRU)

86 Does anyone actually believe it's ONLY $115 billion?That's off by a factor of 10, at least.
Not me. That number will suddenly (unexpectedly!) jump after Election Day.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 12, 2010 11:36 AM (cQyWA)

87 Mear Chump Change for Obama's Stash. Move along...noting to see here.

Posted by: Paladin at May 12, 2010 11:37 AM (AfORa)

88
Hang on to your 401K. Democrats want it.


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 12, 2010 11:39 AM (0fzsA)

89 How will this affect the profit to earnings ratio?

Posted by: publicserf at May 12, 2010 11:39 AM (x78Fs)

90 This$115 billion dollar increase is perfectly constitutional. Trust me, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Posted by: Elana Kagan at May 12, 2010 11:39 AM (YVZlY)

91 Go dick with the commenters on Tapper's story. Got a couple of people who tk hey really know some shit there.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 12, 2010 11:39 AM (fLHQe)

92 Dogs bark. Bees sting...
Now I'm feeling sad.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 12, 2010 11:40 AM (cQyWA)

93 Obama, Karzai presser starting now...

Posted by: Mjim at May 12, 2010 11:40 AM (V8B//)

94 Is there anything I haven't lied to you about? Seriously, 'cause if there's any tiny shreds of truth still laying around anywhere that my administrationhas overlooked, I want to make sure to clean them up.

Posted by: The Precedent of the Excited States at May 12, 2010 11:41 AM (f/lPF)

95 Only 115 billion, i think they are still low balling the actual costs by a significant amount, 1.15 trillion i think would be more credible. Off by a factor of 10, that is "new math".

Posted by: Penfold at May 12, 2010 11:43 AM (1PeEC)

96 I don't understand why that's supposed to be a sure fire way to stop people's thought process. Okay, it's "for the children". Well, I still want to know if it's actually going to help children, what the problem is, if this is an efficient solution to the problem and if there are other, better options.
It's almost like facts matter to you more than emotion...

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 12, 2010 11:43 AM (XdlcF)

97 Try as I might, I don't see how this helps Michelle's fat children.

Posted by: damian at May 12, 2010 11:44 AM (4WbTI)

98 Only 115 billion, i think they are still low balling the actual costs by
a significant amount, 1.15 trillion i think would be more credible. Off
by a factor of 10, that is "new math".

You beat me to it. They are still off by an order of magnitude.

Posted by: rockhead at May 12, 2010 11:45 AM (RykTt)

99 I'm shocked. Shocked, I say. Gambling? In Casablanca?

Posted by: Penultimatum at May 12, 2010 11:46 AM (niydV)

100
Try as I might, I don't see how this helps Michelle's fat children.

Same way despotic kleptocracy helped Baby Doc Duvalier?

Posted by: Barbie Obama at May 12, 2010 11:46 AM (mR7mk)

101 I'm sure this is just a misunderstanding. I'll have Rahm talk to the CBO and I'll get back to you on this.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama - Thief in Chief at May 12, 2010 11:46 AM (YVZlY)

102 Well, I still want to know if it's actually going to help children, NO.
what the problem is, SOCIALISM
if this is an efficient solution to the problem NO
and
if there are other, better options. YES

Posted by: Guy Fawkes, helping with the basic rhetorical questions at May 12, 2010 11:47 AM (7VvJB)

103 Off
by a factor of 10, that is "new math".

Hey, they had an answer. That's worth a B+.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 12, 2010 11:47 AM (mR7mk)

104 Where do I get my free Obama care?

Posted by: Waiting and crippled at May 12, 2010 11:47 AM (gbCNS)

105 So the deficit will increase to $12 Trillion by 2020 but Obamacare will decrease the deficit by $100 billion.

Do they even USE calculators anymore...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at May 12, 2010 11:52 AM (C3rTD)

106 106 Where do I get my free Obama care?
Posted by: Waiting and crippled at May 12, 2010 11:47 AM (gbCNS)
ObamaCare isn't something you can actually touch, it's a sense of well being. Can't you feel it?

Posted by: Dr. Barack Hussein Obama at May 12, 2010 11:54 AM (YVZlY)

107 Please sir, may I have one Tylenol?

No Tylenol for you!

Posted by: mrp at May 12, 2010 11:55 AM (HjPtV)

108 106
Where do I get my free Obama care?

Step this way, friend! We're off to the new state of the art-est free government clinic. Don't mind the rats, they're just part of the decorum. And just to let you know - antibiotics and painkillers are for wusses!

Ah, here's your new doctor, Hakkem, who graduated near the top of his class from Cuba's greatest medical school! Toodles.

Posted by: Death Paneler (with a driver) at May 12, 2010 11:56 AM (9hSKh)

109 OT: Students Had Oral Sex in Class While Teacher Did Nothing?: A California teacher is on paid leave . http://fxn.ws/d9TO75
A California teacher is on paid leave after allegations surfaced that two junior high school students had oral sex during class while their classmates recorded the incident on their cell phone cameras.

Posted by: conscious and saying that never happened to me in school at May 12, 2010 11:57 AM (YVZlY)

110 25 just heard on local radio news break the gop will not hold their convention in az....one reason? sb1070......why wouldn't the gop want to support a red state?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 12, 2010 10:53 AM (ucxC/)
Because the clueless fucks don't understand that Commiecrat Lite has a shelf life of zero. Similar to their shelf life.
It's worse than that. The fools who think they can Hispander and the cheap labor greedheads still are too prominent in the GOP.
We really, really need to put those idiots on the street. They get NOTHING from me. No time, no money, no respect.
Donate to individual candidates, but F**k the NRCC or NRSC. And if they come calling on the phone, explain exactly why. Don't take it out on the college Republican kid calling, but just make it clear why they don't get it and why you are fed up.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 12, 2010 12:00 PM (ujg0T)

111 Yeah, screw that. I hate children and the fastest way to get me to oppose anything is to do the "for the children" bullshit.
All this bill does for children is burden them with debt. The government's biggest accomplishment is kicking the can down the road.

Posted by: huerfano at May 12, 2010 12:02 PM (LB6/t)

112 Sorry for the OT but this disturbed me (not as much as the OT above about the junior high kids tho YIKES!): http://http://tinyurl.com/2g69uls

Posted by: mcc at May 12, 2010 12:04 PM (dOFfJ)

113 There's profit and then there's profit. This is from a French debate on wind power as reported in NRO:

"First, I would like to dispute the idea that Eolienne windmills aren't
profitable. Once one adds all the subsidies and financial support the
industry receives from the French government and the European Community,
it is losing very little money."

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 12, 2010 12:05 PM (xxgag)

114 Off by a factor of 10, that is "new math".
I agree with Penfold at #970.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 12, 2010 12:05 PM (cQyWA)

115 What a stunning surprise! I may have to lie down.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 12, 2010 12:07 PM (eNxMU)

116 Childhood obesity is very expensive, - as is lowfat Gagh.

Posted by: Fat Czar Michelle Dorn at May 12, 2010 12:08 PM (GwPRU)

117 3000%
That's all that ever needs to be said on Obama care.
3000%

Posted by: garrett at May 12, 2010 12:08 PM (oGHNC)

118 I'm sure this is just a misunderstanding. I'll have
Rahm talk to the CBO and I'll get back to you on this.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama - Thief in Chief at May 12, 2010 11:46
AM (YVZlY)

I'll get'em naked in the shower go Eastern Promises on their asses.

Posted by: Rahmbo at May 12, 2010 12:08 PM (xxgag)

119 Wait till the actual numbers in 2019. 100 billion will seem like chump change.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 12, 2010 12:08 PM (iyyNK)

120 The rule, announced by the National Mediation Board, recognizes a union
victory if a simple majority of workers who cast ballots approve being
unionized.

Unelected bureaucrats have way too much control over every aspect of American life.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 12, 2010 12:09 PM (mR7mk)

121 A California teacher is on paid leave after allegations surfaced that two junior high school students had oral sex during class while their classmates recorded the incident on their cell phone cameras.
Pay no attention to them, kids. You are all doing just fine.

Posted by: Kevin Jennings at May 12, 2010 12:10 PM (oGHNC)

122 Please turn to page 112 of, 'Fiona gets a Fist'.
Now,who'd like to read out loud for the rest of the class??

Posted by: Kevin Jennings at May 12, 2010 12:11 PM (oGHNC)

123 121
Wait till the actual numbers in 2019. 100 billion will seem like chump
change.

Funny. You assume we'll all be around in 2019, .


Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 12, 2010 12:12 PM (9hSKh)

124 It is for the greater good afterall (and for the children). Slaves of the State.

FIFY

Posted by: Paladin at May 12, 2010 12:12 PM (WGbtD)

125 It's almost like facts matter to you more than emotion...

I'm nutty like that.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 12, 2010 12:12 PM (8WZWv)

126 So the deficit will increase to $12 Trillion by 2020 but Obamacare will
decrease the deficit by $100 billion.


So with these new numbers Obamacare will increase the deficit by 15 billion even using their numbers. Shocker.

Will Obama quit touting this as a deficit reducing plan? NO

and yes I realize 15B is a drop in the bucket but so was the 100B to begin with.


Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 12, 2010 12:13 PM (tf9Ne)

127 Ooops...I entered billion instead of trillion.
Sorry, my bad.

Posted by: Bureaucrat what used to work for Proctor & Gamble at May 12, 2010 12:14 PM (d7k0J)

128 In other HC related news....
Why does Barbara Wawa get to undergo heart surgery?
We're in the age of Obamacare after all.
Isn't she passed her prime in the age of Prove- Your-Usefulness??

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 12, 2010 12:16 PM (pLTLS)

129 Will Obama quit touting this as a deficit reducing plan?
Under my plan, Insurance Premiums will go down by 3000%!
Under my plan, the deficit will be reduced by 3000%!
Under my plan, If you like your insurance, you can keep 3000% of it!

Posted by: Barky O at May 12, 2010 12:16 PM (oGHNC)

130 CBO Says Health Care Will Cost $115 Billion More Than They
Originally Estimated--Hate to say "I told you so," but --no, wait I love to say "I told you so!" to these assholes.

Posted by: logprof at May 12, 2010 12:17 PM (Mmw0q)

131 It is for the
greater good afterall (and for the children). Slaves of the State.

FIFY


Posted by: Paladin at May 12, 2010 12:12 PM (WGbtD)
As long as we're bitching and moaning, my pet peeve is that proposed NY law that makes everybody an organ donor. Who owns my body, for Obama's* sake? What about Our Bodies, Our Business or does that only count when you are killing a baby?I don't want to invoke the name of the deity while cursing so I'll invoke the name of a pseudodeity.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 12, 2010 12:18 PM (xxgag)

132 So wait, Pres'ent Toonces lied about the health care bill to get support for it?

THE DEUCE YOU SAY

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at May 12, 2010 12:18 PM (erIg9)

133 [reassuring all that this was an 0bama victory and will help the Democrats]

Posted by: schnappdragon at May 12, 2010 12:19 PM (Mmw0q)

134 Why does Barbara Wawa get to undergo heart surgery?Isn't she passed her prime in the age of Prove- Your-Usefulness??

Party apparatchiks always get whatever they need.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 12, 2010 12:19 PM (mR7mk)

135
Ooops...I entered billion instead of trillion.

Sorry, my bad.

Posted by: Bureaucrat what used to work for Proctor Gamble at May
12, 2010 12:14 PM (d7k0J)
Fat fingered bureaucrats! You'd think that they could keep their fingers slim by surfing for porn.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 12, 2010 12:20 PM (xxgag)

136 OT, but the President actually just said some really nice things about the military, and the avoidance of civilian casualties. Was nice to hear!

Posted by: Jay in Ames at May 12, 2010 12:20 PM (LJaVO)

137 OT, but the President actually just said some really nice things about
the military, and the avoidance of civilian casualties. Was nice to
hear!

Ya, i heard that too... I'm actually shocked.

Posted by: Mjim at May 12, 2010 12:21 PM (V8B//)

138 Well, at least now we know what the actual cost will be. No more surprises. What a relief!

Posted by: Bugler at May 12, 2010 12:21 PM (VXBR1)

139 was planning on changing my party today in protest of the rnc using sb1070 as a reason to not choose az as the site of the convention......i will wait until after the primary....so the rino mccain is defeated and hayworth is the senate candidate! called the rnc directly the lady answering the phone claims the decision has not been made.....politico has an article that is has and it is tampa.....viva 1070! way to abandon arizona gop! arizona melts steele....he will lose his chairmanship over this.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 12, 2010 12:21 PM (ucxC/)

140 OT, but the President actually just said some really nice things about
the military, and the avoidance of civilian casualties.

Who's been messing with the TOTUS?!

Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 12, 2010 12:22 PM (mR7mk)

141 139 OT, but the President actually just said some really nice things about the military, and the avoidance of civilian casualties. Was nice to hear!Ya, i heard that too... I'm actually shocked.
Posted by: Mjim at May 12, 2010 12:21 PM (V8B//)
Must be an election coming up...

Posted by: conscious and saying that never happened to me in school at May 12, 2010 12:25 PM (YVZlY)

142 viva 1070! way to abandon arizona gop! arizona melts steele....he will lose his chairmanship over this.......



From your lips to gop's ear.

Posted by: huerfano at May 12, 2010 12:25 PM (LB6/t)

143 "Does anyone actually believe it's ONLY $115 billion? That's off by a factor of 10 3000%, at least."
...didn't check to see if anyone else FTFY first...

Posted by: reason at May 12, 2010 12:25 PM (+hPIb)

144 OT, but the President actually just said some really nice things about
the military, and the avoidance of civilian casualties. Was nice to
hear!

What did the military finally quit Air-raiding Villages

Posted by: Buzzsaw at May 12, 2010 12:25 PM (tf9Ne)

145 Karzai is trying to say there are "peaceful" taliban. I call bullshit on that.

Posted by: Mjim at May 12, 2010 12:26 PM (V8B//)

146 "Who's been messing with the TOTUS?!"
TOTUS has been having a fling with Bachmann's iPad.

Posted by: Technological Enquirer at May 12, 2010 12:27 PM (+hPIb)

147 So, anyone know where I can get some handbags?

Posted by: lorien1973 at May 12, 2010 12:27 PM (IhQuA)

148 The CBO needs to be renamed to something like
"The Department of Happy-Assed Fiction"

Posted by: rawmuse at May 12, 2010 12:27 PM (+K141)

149 And Barry bought it.

Posted by: Mjim at May 12, 2010 12:27 PM (V8B//)

150 OT: It's not a witch hunt if there really are witches to hunt. Here's one now.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 12, 2010 12:30 PM (xxgag)

151 Karzai is trying to say there are "peaceful" taliban.
And the Nazis were all Oskar Schindler and Rolf.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 12, 2010 12:33 PM (cQyWA)

152 Progressives don't do math. Makes their headmeat all hurty.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 12, 2010 12:35 PM (i3AsK)

153 Why do dems care if costs go up for government to have more control? That is an upside for them. More gov'ment workers equals more votes to save their gove'ment jobs and keep us sliding down the slippery slope ice sheet to Socialism.

Posted by: rightzilla at May 12, 2010 12:37 PM (rVJH4)

154 "Dogs bark. Bees sting."

Guns aren't lawful; Nooses give; Gas smells awful; You might
as well live.

Posted by: Dorothy Parker at May 12, 2010 12:38 PM (mHQ7T)

155 Pay-as-you-go, Mr President -- so whats going to go?

Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2010 12:38 PM (tTdaQ)

156 On the plus side, remember Pelosi said we'd get 400,000 jobs immediately after passage of the health care reform debacle. Um, we did get those jobs......right?

Posted by: marmo at May 12, 2010 12:39 PM (wpuKF)

157 Karzai is trying to say there are "peaceful" taliban.
I call bullshit on that.


Posted by: Mjim at May 12, 2010 12:26 PM (V8B//)

He's making the smart move toward the new sheriff in town.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 12, 2010 12:40 PM (mHQ7T)

158 #152 That w(b)itch's "For it" answer to Horowitz's question (phrased as was said by the head of Hezbollah) chilled me to the bone.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 12, 2010 12:40 PM (9hSKh)

159 147 Karzai is trying to say there are "peaceful" taliban. I call bullshit on that.
No, he's right. All the dead ones are peacefully feeding needy fly larvae.

Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2010 12:40 PM (OlN4e)

160 We're not so much selling America the rope to hang themselves as we are forcing them to buy it whether they want to or not.

Posted by: Obamaczar at May 12, 2010 12:42 PM (xxgag)

161
You'd think you'd be thanking me.

Posted by: President Thank Me at May 12, 2010 12:42 PM (uFokq)

162 Karzai is trying to say there are "peaceful" taliban. I call bullshit on that.
Posted by: Mjim at May 12, 2010 12:26 PM (V8B//)
He's making the smart move toward the new sheriff in town.
Exactly. He's following the Big Minh precedent.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 12, 2010 12:42 PM (ujg0T)

163 Of course, this surprises no one. No one with a modicum of brain activity at least. It was never about reforming what was not working within the healthcare system. It was a pure, unadulterated power grab. Cost not important, move along.

Posted by: Lady in Black (formerly Twinks because I learned the real meaning of the word) at May 12, 2010 12:42 PM (VYKgG)

164 #152 Also enjoyed that Horowitz referred to the keffiyeh as a "terrorist neckerchief". I wonder if Arafat ever washed his?

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 12, 2010 12:43 PM (9hSKh)

165 Why doesn't Obama pronounce Afghanistan the way he pronounces "Pockyston?"

Posted by: Damn Skippy at May 12, 2010 12:45 PM (VDgKF)

166 I wouldn't hire Obama to run a small business. His resume and non existent school transcripts could not bear the scrutiny by a junior HR person. Why are we surprised? This is a guy who plays golf and talks a lot.

Gawd help us. Currently praying the Mayans have it right.

Posted by: Lunatic, What Comes From the Fringe at May 12, 2010 12:46 PM (uFdnM)

167 152 OT: It's not a witch hunt if there really are witches to hunt. Here's one now.



Good lord, muslim girl went unarmed into a battle of wits.

Horowitz!



Posted by: huerfano at May 12, 2010 12:46 PM (LB6/t)

168 I wouldn't hire Obama to run a small business.

I wouldn't hire him to sweep my floor. Not only would I have to teach him which end to use, he'd just stand around bitching that he inherited the dirt.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 12, 2010 12:48 PM (mR7mk)

169 Nice response, Stupid Party. I'm so thrilled with the passionate cry from the GOP:

Boehner said the CBO analysis "provides ample cause for alarm...widen the serious credibility gap President Obama is facing."

Um, no. Everyone knew it was a bunch of lies. How about calling a spade a spade, so to speak, and call out the CBO, the empty suit, and the MFM??!! How about: This will not stand. This will be repealed. Tear down this fiasco Mr. Fancypants. Anything along those lines would be fine -- ample cause for alarm??!! Gaaaaaaah.

Posted by: KilltheHippies at May 12, 2010 12:48 PM (VKfXw)

170 That little muzzie witch was a snide one, wasn't she?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 12, 2010 12:49 PM (i3AsK)

171 A California teacher is on paid leave after allegations surfaced that
two junior high school students had oral sex during class while their
classmates recorded the incident on their cell phone cameras.

Putting the "fornication" in California! I'm surprised that isn't part of the sex ed curriculum in that dump.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 12, 2010 12:51 PM (mHQ7T)

172 Just another tidbit about Obama's past that makes you go hmmmnn...
Investigators: Obama Using Connecticut Social SecurityNumber without ever having lived in CT: http://is.gd/c62n4

Posted by: conscious and saying move along nothing to see here at May 12, 2010 12:53 PM (YVZlY)

173 I wouldn't hire him to sweep my floor. Not only
would I have to teach him which end to use, he'd just stand around
bitching that he inherited the dirt.


Posted by: HeatherRadish
at May 12, 2010 12:48 PM (mR7mk)
Oh, yeah. He'd even tell you to grab a mop. This guy wouldn't last a minute in the real world. "Community organizer!"

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 12, 2010 12:53 PM (mHQ7T)

174 Putting the "fornication" in California! I'm surprised that isn't part of the sex ed curriculum in that dump.
Only when it's homosexual. This is just a sideshow.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 12, 2010 12:56 PM (ujg0T)

175 Just another tidbit about Obama's past that makes you go hmmmnn...

Was Bill Ayers in CT at the time? Someone was helping Obama game the system... again.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 12, 2010 12:58 PM (mHQ7T)

176 yet Obama's earliest employment reportedly was in 1975 at a
Baskin-Robbins ice-cream shop in Oahu, Hawaii.


Holy shit.

Is the source credible?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 12, 2010 12:58 PM (mR7mk)

177
Because what America needs right now isn't just another political dynasty - it's that dynasty. Posted by: Zimriel at May 12, 2010 10:52 AM (9Sbz+)
How about THIS dynasty?Richard Nixon's grandson seeks office Richard Nixon's grandson is entering politics as he runs for the Republican nomination in a New York congress seat.

Posted by: stuiec at May 12, 2010 12:59 PM (W+GYq)

178 I wouldn't hire him to sweep my floor. Not only would I have to teach
him which end to use, he'd just stand around bitching that he inherited
the dirt.

Love it. My fav story about Obama, the one that is so telling, is the 100k advance he got on a book deal years ago. He took the money and could not produce the book. Writer's block was his excuse. Years later, he enlisted the services of Bill Ayers to write his bio which as we know now and then, was simply a campaign tool to advance his personal agenda of elitism.

This fucking guy is a complete fraud. I'm not talking a few character defects here and there, this fucking guy is a dangerous tool. What he has done so far is scary bad. We got a sociopath running the asylum.

Posted by: Lunatic, What Comes From the Fringe at May 12, 2010 01:00 PM (uFdnM)

179 OT: It's not a witch hunt if there really are witches to hunt. Here's
one now.



Morons broke the video. "Error occurred, try again later."

Posted by: CUS at May 12, 2010 01:01 PM (wOGfT)

180 Please sir, may I have one Tylenol?


Posted by: mpfs at May 12, 2010 11:18 AM (iYbLN)
Oh, what's the matter, Pookie? Headache? Here, let me stomp on your foot - then you won't remember that your head hurts.

Posted by: ObamaCare Panelist at May 12, 2010 01:02 PM (W+GYq)

181 #180 This fucking guy is a complete fraud. I'm not talking a few character
defects here and there, this fucking guy is a dangerous tool. What he
has done so far is scary bad. We got a sociopath running the asylum.

Can't wait to see who he'll side with in the upcoming ME war.

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 12, 2010 01:04 PM (9hSKh)

182 How about THIS dynasty?
Richard Nixon's grandson seeks office Richard Nixon's grandson is entering politics as he runs for the Republican nomination in a New York congress seat.
Only if he learned what NOT to do from his wage and price controlling, EPA hysterical, Affirmative Actioning Granddad. I like to think goodness runs in the family, but Goldwater's grandkids haven't exactly born that out.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at May 12, 2010 01:04 PM (ujg0T)

183 Delightful: When we properly account for Social Security, our national deficit proves worse.

Posted by: damian at May 12, 2010 01:07 PM (4WbTI)

184 In addition to his other numerous personal flaws, The Vapid One™ has absolutely no idea how capitalism is supposed to work. His quote that his Cap-and-Trade bill would cause electricity rates to "necessarily skyrocket" sent chills up my spine.
He reminds me of the smarmy guy in high school who'd sweet talk his way into girls pants then dump them andrepeat the process, even though the girls knew what was going to happen. If a guy tried to warn the girl, he was ignored until it was too late.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 12, 2010 01:07 PM (i3AsK)

185 His quote that his Cap-and-Trade bill would cause electricity rates to
"necessarily skyrocket" sent chills up my spine.

Worse is his (I paraphrase) "sometimes you have to know when you have made enough money".

Posted by: CUS at May 12, 2010 01:10 PM (wOGfT)

186 And his "profits to earnings ratio" and "reduce by 3000%" show complete ineptitude.

Posted by: CUS at May 12, 2010 01:11 PM (wOGfT)

187 The plan for November 2010 needs to be REPEAL REPLACE.
Same as the plan for November 2012!!!

Posted by: Boots at May 12, 2010 01:13 PM (06JTY)

188 Worse is his (I paraphrase) "sometimes you have
to know when you have made enough money".


Posted by: CUS at May 12, 2010 01:10 PM (wOGfT)
The quote: "I do think that at a
certain point, you've made enough money."

Posted by: stuiec at May 12, 2010 01:13 PM (W+GYq)

189 Heather, your analogy reminds me of this.
Remember?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 12, 2010 01:14 PM (pLTLS)

190 The plan for November 2010 needs to be REPEAL
REPLACE.


Posted by: Boots at May 12, 2010 01:13 PM (06JTY)
I am thinking the plan needs to be OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

Posted by: stuiec at May 12, 2010 01:14 PM (W+GYq)

191 When will opponents of the health care law get their apology from
Democrats and the MFM?

You fucked up... you trusted us! Hey, make the best of it! Maybe we can
help.

Posted by: Eric "Otter" Stratton - DeMFM Spokesman at May 12, 2010 01:14 PM (5Rurq)

192

Well, Charlie, what I've said is that I would look at raising the
capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.

Posted by: damian at May 12, 2010 01:15 PM (4WbTI)

193 185
Delightful: When we properly
account for Social Security, our national deficit proves worse.

The single greatest problem facing the US is not healthcare, it's not immigration or Guantanomo. Those fucking things are distractions.

The greatest problem facing the US and the world, is that we are bankrupt. The solution is to slash and burn government agencies and entitlements to the bone. This is of course, political suicide. To tackle this issue would take great personal courage because it would likely mean political death. At a time when this country needs a neurosurgeon, they sent us a kid with a pocketknife.

Posted by: Lunatic, What Comes From the Fringe at May 12, 2010 01:15 PM (uFdnM)

194 The quote: "I do think
that at a
certain point, you've made enough money."

Thank you stuiec

Posted by: CUS at May 12, 2010 01:15 PM (wOGfT)

195 Breaking: The White House just released a list of Kagan's qualifications for Supreme Court Justice.Here isthe list:

Posted by: conscious and asking if Bork is still available at May 12, 2010 01:16 PM (YVZlY)

196 Heather, your analogy reminds me of this.

I was thinking of this image earlier today, when someone on Twitter was bitching about BHO not showing up in Nashville. They're better off without him--he and his ego would only get in the way until all the real work was done.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 12, 2010 01:16 PM (mR7mk)

197 I do think that at a certain point, you've made enough money.
Key words highlighted.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 12, 2010 01:17 PM (B+qrE)

198 I was thinking of this image earlier
today

Ranches smell. Really bad. They smell like poop.

Posted by: CUS at May 12, 2010 01:19 PM (wOGfT)

199 The greatest problem facing the US and the world, is that we are bankrupt. The solution is to slash and burn government agencies and entitlements to the bone. This is of course, political suicide. To tackle this issue would take great personal courage because it would likely mean political death. At a time when this country needs a neurosurgeon, they sent us a kid with a pocketknife.
Posted by: Lunatic, What Comes From the Fringe at May 12, 2010 01:15 PM (uFdnM)

Kind of like the Roman Empire circa 300 A.D.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at May 12, 2010 01:20 PM (y67bA)

200 Ranches smell. Really bad. They smell like poop.
Sort of like the south side of Chicago.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 12, 2010 01:20 PM (pLTLS)

201 "just heard on local radio news break the gop will not hold their
convention in az....one reason? sb1070......why wouldn't the gop want to
support a red state?"

Because Florida is IN PLAY and has more electoral votes than Arizona. It's already more of a red state. There were three choices, SLC, Phoenix and Florida and Fla won.


Posted by: jeannie at May 12, 2010 01:21 PM (GdalM)

202 On the O/T witch in the terrorist scarf, she doesn’t seem like an immigrant, she seems like an American, and she doesn’t seem coerced in any way into her beliefs, how long until she helps some jihadist gain his entry into America by marrying him? There seems to be a lot of cases of that springing up lately. I just want to bitch slap her and ask her what she’s thinking siding with people who brutalize and demean women.

I actually know several American women who married men of Middle Eastern descent. In not one single case did the man make his wife convert to Islam or don a burqa. The only exception in one case was when she went to visit his family, but that was more a safety issue than him making her “submit.”

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 12, 2010 01:21 PM (RZ8pf)

203 Just his ignorance of capitalism should've been reasonenough not to vote for him. Seriously, did it even sound as though he was at all concerned about the effect of high electricity bills on the average American family? How about a family where one of the parents lost a job? What then?
He sounds like he just isn't capable of putting himself in the shoes of his fellow countrymen. No empathy whatsoever.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 12, 2010 01:23 PM (i3AsK)

204 yet Obama's earliest employment reportedly was in 1975 at a Baskin-Robbins ice-cream shop in Oahu, Hawaii.
That shop probably lost a lot of money and my guess is Barry redistributed a lot ice cream down his own throat.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 12, 2010 01:24 PM (1Jaio)

205 In a statement, House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said that
the new CBO analysis "provides ample cause for alarm..."

The alarm is not just that the cost is going to be more than initially estimated, as is usually the case with government spending. It's also that the CBO willingly put out those bullshit numbers to begin with.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at May 12, 2010 01:24 PM (gjUVx)

206 The implication of a huge muscling up of the IRS: that's got to be welcome news for the Dems in this political environment. STIM!

Posted by: Shooter at May 12, 2010 01:25 PM (zfRju)

207 Sort of like the south side of Chicago.
...or a mid-western girl.

Posted by: garrett at May 12, 2010 01:28 PM (r8ofT)

208 To tackle this issue would take great personal courage because it would likely mean political death.
I'd do it. Just because it's the best thing for the country. I don't need a road or an airport or a bridge named after me, maybe a drumset or a bass guitar...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at May 12, 2010 01:30 PM (i3AsK)

209 " It's also that the CBO willingly put out those bullshit numbers to begin with."

Indeed. I don't see why anyone should ever trust their calculations again when there are high political stakes.

Posted by: SarahW at May 12, 2010 01:33 PM (Z4T49)

210 @WalrusRex

I live in NY too, i read about the proposed law to amend the organ donor law to require someone to opt out. Depressingly, my assemblyman Michael Cusick(D) was a co-sponsor. He could have a rough re-election.

Posted by: Penfold at May 12, 2010 01:33 PM (1PeEC)

211 Repeal really is the only way out of this. Hope y'all have the guts for it.

Posted by: SarahW at May 12, 2010 01:34 PM (Z4T49)

212 I've had a hand-lettered Repeal! sign in the back window of my truck for weeks. Right between the NRA sticker and the pissing Calvin.

Posted by: damian at May 12, 2010 01:36 PM (4WbTI)

213 A California teacher is on paid leave after allegations surfaced that
two junior high school students had oral sex during class while their
classmates recorded the incident on their cell phone cameras.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at May 12, 2010 01:39 PM (saRwI)

214 What does our esteemed commentator snapdragon have to say about this? It's hard to consider myself intelligently informed until I get snapdragon's take on the issues.

Posted by: logprof at May 12, 2010 01:40 PM (Mmw0q)

215
We Are In More Debt Than We Think

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 12, 2010 01:42 PM (0fzsA)

216 How much longer will it be before the damn fools who voted for this loser extract their heads from their butts and realize what they have done to us?

Posted by: rplat at May 12, 2010 01:42 PM (G1ArL)

217 Who cares? We'll just raise taxes on the millionaires who make $250,000 a year.

Posted by: crapdragon at May 12, 2010 01:43 PM (VDgKF)

218 I have seen photos of that ice cream parlor. It was in a story I read about semi-organized Obama tours given to visitors in Hawaii.

Posted by: logprof at May 12, 2010 01:43 PM (Mmw0q)

219
65
It'll
be fine as long as I use a lot of lube....honest.


Spoken from bitter experience, eh, Mrs. Pauls?

Posted by: s'moron at May 12, 2010 01:43 PM (UaxA0)

220 The greatest problem facing the US and the world, is that we are bankrupt.

Well...sort of. The real problem is that our* spending habits don't match our real incomes. We're like the couple who spend their entire paychecks and never save a dime. They may have no net-present debt to speak of, but they're still screwed if there is a major disruption to their income-stream. In fact, their situation may be more dire than a person who makes less and has some debt, but has more disciplined spending habits. Disciplined spenders scale better to income fluctuations than undisciplined spenders, in other words.

A disciplined spender has many options when faced with a financial hit, but undisciplined spenders generally only have two realistic options: the (unsustainable) status quo, or outright collapse.

*And by "our" I mean the whole industrialized world.

Posted by: Monty at May 12, 2010 01:44 PM (4Pleu)

221 Whoa! Is Waxman just gonna let these assholes spout off these lies and not even haul there asses in to testify aboutit?
He's really starting to slip.

Posted by: Roadking at May 12, 2010 01:46 PM (Gq7ao)

222
a caller on the radio made an interesting point about Kagan (that has probably been made elsewhere) that was new to me:

It's ironic that someone like Kagan and her leftist supporters who are adamantly opposed to DADT don't want us to ask Kagan if she eats at the Y (and, hence, she won't tell).

So during the hearings the policy is Don't Ask, And She Won't Tell.


Posted by: Say my name, say my name at May 12, 2010 01:48 PM (uFokq)

223 Repeal has a problem. It will be resistance from state and local (where the Medicaid burden is shared) governments. The bill moves the Federal contribution on Medicaid from 50% to 94% -- the state and local governments that currently pay the rest will scream if it is tampered with. I don't know if those changes are accurately accounted for by the CBO either.

Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2010 01:48 PM (OlnxK)

224 All this focus on "numbers" and "budgets" is clearly discriminatory. But I expect that from a bunch of right-wingers like you.

Posted by: Whotzername Cavanaugh O'Trolle at May 12, 2010 01:49 PM (9Sbz+)

225 Well, Charlie,
what I've said is that I would look at raising the
capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.

Posted by: damian at May 12, 2010 01:15 PM (4WbTI)
And the new coalition government in the UK plans to raise capital gains tax rates from 18% up to 40-50%.

Posted by: stuiec at May 12, 2010 01:49 PM (W+GYq)

226 A disciplined spender has many options when faced with a financial hit, but undisciplined spenders generally only have two realistic options: the (unsustainable) status quo, or outright collapse. *And by "our" I mean the whole industrialized world.
What the fuck, Monty. Didn't you like "The Road Warrior"?

Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2010 01:50 PM (OlN4e)

227 I don't get out very often.

Posted by: VetoPen at May 12, 2010 01:52 PM (NBPP+)

228 The bill moves the Federal contribution on Medicaid from 50% to 94% -- the state and local governments that currently pay the rest will scream if it is tampered with. I don't know if those changes are accurately accounted for by the CBO either.
Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2010 01:48 PM (OlnxK)

I must have missed that part. If that is true I wonder why all 57 states were not all over getting the bill passed? And why in heck are a bunch of states suing the Fed if the bill pretty much lets them stop paying for Medicaid? I know here in CT, the governor is always screaming about how much the state has to pay for both Medicare and Medicaid.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at May 12, 2010 01:53 PM (Mv/2X)

229 stuiec - that should push the Dow up.

Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2010 01:53 PM (JaO+v)

230 Because Florida is IN PLAY and has more electoral votes than Arizona.
It's already more of a red state. There were three choices, SLC,
Phoenix and Florida and Fla won.

It's gonna be pretty embarrassing for the GOP if Rubio doesn't win.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 12, 2010 01:53 PM (mHQ7T)

231 Since reconciliation (which was used unlawfully, to begin with) would not have even been a consideration, had the CBO given anything near the correct estimates during the raping of our legislative process, then this CBO "revelation" stands as nothing less than clear proof of the greatest fraud ever to perpetrated on the US people. Everyone who was involved in this fraud, from the congresscritters who knowingly tried to game the system, to everyone in the administration, to all of the slugs at the CBO who intentionally abetted, need to be held criminally liable.

Of course, this is too clear and obvious for it to ever happen, which is why this nation is going down the tubes.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 12, 2010 01:53 PM (Qp4DT)

232 Another slow news day.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at May 12, 2010 01:55 PM (I1/U/)

233 California! I'm surprised that isn't part of the sex ed curriculum in that dump.Sadly, I remember when California was a crown jewel. When the schools there were superior. It was not really that long ago........early 60's.

Posted by: rightzilla at May 12, 2010 01:56 PM (rVJH4)

234 Monty is always interesting, and his comments are full of good information.
Why do I want to cry after reading them, then? Does any one else get scared by the, um, truthiness of what he says?
The abyss beckons and we are speeding towards it.

Posted by: Who Knows at May 12, 2010 01:57 PM (7FgWm)

235 stuiec - that should push the Dow up.

Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2010 01:53 PM (JaO+v)
What, the UK capital gains tax hike? Yes, it should - that is, until Obama and Congress do the same thing here. I hope the UK rate hike happens in time to give a real-world, real-time lesson to our Congress (our President is not capable of learning) that capital gains tax rate hikes (a) lead to lower tax receipts and (b) retard economic growth.

Posted by: stuiec at May 12, 2010 01:57 PM (W+GYq)

236
sorta like washing your car and making it rain?

Posted by: Say my name, say my name at May 12, 2010 01:59 PM (uFokq)

237 Posted by: Harold Baigent at May 12, 2010 01:57 PM (P7wR9)

And then the Autogyro Pilot decided to ditch the 22nd Century and become a Wizard of the First Order.

Posted by: There's a Seeker Born Every Minute at May 12, 2010 01:59 PM (W+GYq)

238 Jolly Rancher lands a 3rd grader detention.

Hey, the law is the law.

Posted by: fb at May 12, 2010 02:00 PM (G60Nl)

239 What the fuck, Monty. Didn't you like "The Road Warrior"?

Didn't it ever strike you as strange that a world in which oil was so scare a resource that people fought over it should give rise to a whole class of bad-guy whose entire transport stock consisted of gas-powered vehicles? And this doesn't even take into account lubricating oils, petroleum-derived solids like gaskets and belts, and consumables like oil and air filters? It just seems...ill advised, if you are serious about spreading your malign influence over a lawless wasteland.

Me? I'd train a hard-assed cohort of maybe 300 to 500 horsemen to operate Mongol-style from horseback, with a second cohort of maybe another 500 as an infantry and heavy-weapons crew. We might hoard one or two mechanized vehicles for the truly heavy work (either as tanks or breaching vehicles).

The Humogous did not act as if he sincerely believed in his world-domination plan, and it's his lack of planning that did him in.

Posted by: Monty at May 12, 2010 02:00 PM (4Pleu)

240 147
Karzai is trying to say there are "peaceful" taliban.

Well, yeah, the dead ones. That's what he meant, right?

Posted by: real joe at May 12, 2010 02:01 PM (IpIBJ)

241
Dave in the Lone Star State has an uncanny knack of pulling the rug out from under me by making a post everytime I write a comment > 100 words.

Posted by: Say my name, say my name at May 12, 2010 02:01 PM (uFokq)

242 So during the hearings the policy is Don't Ask, And
She Won't Tell.


Posted by: Say my name, say my name at May 12, 2010 01:48 PM (uFokq)
Thank you.

Posted by: stuiec at May 12, 2010 02:01 PM (W+GYq)

243 Johnnyreb - I think the states that are fighting the bill have already fixed the problem thru beneficiary cost shares. I think you can guess which states haven't fixed the problem.

Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2010 02:02 PM (JaO+v)

244 my guess is Barry redistributed a lot ice cream down his own throat up his ass.
FIFY

Posted by: Paulitics, Lover of Julie Banderas and Bringer of Truth at May 12, 2010 02:03 PM (wzaX3)

245


238
Monty is always interesting, and his
comments are full of good
information.
Why do I want to cry after reading them,
then? Does any one else get
scared by the, um, truthiness of what he says?
The abyss beckons and we are speeding
towards it.





Welcome to the "end of history," Fukyama.

As with all men that live to see such times, we can do one of two things: despair or hope. Hope requires struggle, and despair is an easy slide. Hope also requires preparation and making hard choices. We can steel ourselves for this and prepare, or we can surrender to the blackness.

oh, happy days.


Posted by: s'moron at May 12, 2010 02:03 PM (UaxA0)

246 stuiec - might as well open up a visa waiver program for the last 100 remaining British capitalists, too.

Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2010 02:03 PM (PjevJ)

247 Monty, part of the problem is that politicians are not "disciplined spenders" because they don't see it as their own money.

Posted by: logprof at May 12, 2010 02:03 PM (Mmw0q)

248 The Humogous

The Humongous, that is. (Though I've always felt that "Gorgeous George" or "Haystack Calhoun" would have been a much better nickname.)

Posted by: Monty at May 12, 2010 02:04 PM (4Pleu)

249 CNBC just announced that the April deficit was a record!
Nice job Obama!

Posted by: robtr at May 12, 2010 02:04 PM (fwSHf)

250
Richard Nixon's grandson seeks office Richard Nixon's grandson is
entering politics as he runs for the Republican nomination in a New
York congress seat.


His father is the fucking idiot who gave us Scozzafava and now the Democrat turned Republican Steve Levy, who stands a snowball's chance in hell against Cuomo. Ed F. Cox discouraged Giuliani from running. So, he's pushing this pudgy kid to run for a House district in Long Island. Somehow, I don't think his grandfather is well-liked in those parts.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 12, 2010 02:04 PM (mHQ7T)

251 The Humogous did not act as if he sincerely believed
in his world-domination plan, and it's his lack of planning that did him
in.




Posted by: Monty at May 12, 2010 02:00 PM (4Pleu)
It is not clear that the wasteland had sufficient water and grazing to support a cavalry horde. The Humongous suffered from a lack of scientists and engineers on staff to develop alternative energy technologies -- but then, so did the "survivors." Scientists were probably the first ones skewered and roasted when the fall occurred. The only engineers who would have avoided the same fate were the ones with hands-on skills as mechanics, plumbers and electricians.

Posted by: stuiec at May 12, 2010 02:05 PM (W+GYq)

252 40% Capital Gains taxes and Medicaid taxes on investment income have only one logical outcome -- orbital, extra-territorial banks.

Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2010 02:07 PM (JaO+v)

253 @130
You don't understand: Bahbah WahWah is a useful member of the MFM. Dear Leader needs her and Joyless Behar to continue working in the propaganda arm of the Democrat pary.
Now, you on the otherhand, will not get any Tylenol!
Some people are more equal than others.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at May 12, 2010 02:08 PM (YvEDm)

254 Mitch McConnell misses the point, once again, as he points to the faux CBO numbers as having been 'one of the dems' arguments in favor of this health scare' [paraphrased]. Someone needs to explain to the idiot that, were there not a faux deficit-reduction claim by the CBO, reconciliation would have been off the table. What an idiot.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 12, 2010 02:09 PM (Qp4DT)

255 Monty, part of the problem is that politicians are not "disciplined spenders" because they don't see it as their own money.

I'd argue that the greater problem is that we're all spending money that hasn't been earned yet. It's no one's money because it's not actual wealth. It's the promise of future wealth, the sweat and toil of people living in the future.

As I've written before, debt is not a priori a bad thing when used wisely. In fact it is a necessary component of a functional economy. Spending is demon lurking in the woods, a gluttonous spirit that eats and eats and is never satisfied.

Posted by: Monty at May 12, 2010 02:09 PM (4Pleu)

256 Me? I'd train a hard-assed cohort of maybe 300 to 500 horsemen to operate Mongol-style from horseback, with a second cohort of maybe another 500 as an infantry and heavy-weapons crew.
As we learned from The Day After, horses are immune to the radiation left by nuclear weapons.
Good choice, Monty. If you're headed towards Albany, N.Y., I'd very much like to be in your post–nuclear war crew.

Posted by: FireHorse at May 12, 2010 02:09 PM (cQyWA)

257 Monty hath violated the Law of Entertainment, which sayeth:

Thine Entertainment shall wash over thy skull, leaving naught but a tingly feeling; it shall not penetrate to the gray matter.
Verily, if it provoke thought or give rise to question, it be not Entertainment.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 12, 2010 02:10 PM (3xmqT)

258 The weather's nice today.

Posted by: Small talker what waits for a new post at May 12, 2010 02:11 PM (gbCNS)

259
"I'll try. I can't promise anything but that I'll try to try."

--Stuff Bart Simpson Said

Posted by: Say my name, say my name at May 12, 2010 02:12 PM (uFokq)

260 Pay attention to this man.
Nations Must Cut Debt to End Crisis, ‘Black Swan’ Author SaysMay 10, 2010, 7:32 AM EDT
By Jeff Kearns and Thomas R. Keene May 10 (Bloomberg) -- Governments will only bring about an end to the credit crisis through the “blood, sweat and tears” of cutting the amount of public debt, “Black Swan” author Nassim Taleb said. “The crisis came from debt and you don’t escape it with more debt,” Taleb said in an interview on Bloomberg Radio’s “Bloomberg Surveillance” today. “We’re in a situation where we had a patient who we discovered had cancer a year and a half ago and all we’ve been giving the patient is painkillers. The tumor is getting worse because we are transforming private debt into public debt and public debt is not manageable.” Taleb, a professor at New York University who also advises Universa Investments LP, a $6 billion fund that bets on extreme market moves, said the financial system faces risk from increased complexity, and President Barack Obama should work with U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke to cut debt. “My fear is if we don’t stop them now they’re going to create hyperinflation,” Taleb said. “Nobody has confidence in a guy like Bernanke. Taleb is a professor of risk engineering at NYU and an advisor to Santa Monica, California-based Universa, which was opened in 2007 by Mark Spitznagel, Taleb’s former trading partner. Rare and unforeseen events are known in finance as “black swans,” after Taleb’s 2007 book, “The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable.” “If I were a politician I’d say you need blood, sweat and tears,” Taleb said. “The first thing you need to do, Obama, is to transform debt to equity. I don’t understand why your great, great grandchildren should have to pay for it. That’s immoral.”

Posted by: stuiec at May 12, 2010 02:12 PM (W+GYq)

261 Meanwhile, the Euro press still has their faces firmly buried up the Indonesian Imbecile's ass. From the Daily Mail "article" about King Stupid pressuring Spain:

"The U.S. President has also been credited with helping to save the
Euro, after giving advice to European leaders on how to handle the debt
crisis."

LOL. A guy who speaks about "profit and earnings ratios" and "reduce your premiums by 3000%" is giving monetary advice to Europe. They deserve it. In fact, they deserve more.

I do, hereby, on behalf of the United States, offer a gift of friendship to Europe. We present you with our Indonesian Imbecile, to help you out of your problems. No need to thank us. In fact, in the future, don't call us, we'll call you. Enjoy your gift, dickwads.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 12, 2010 02:13 PM (Qp4DT)

262 "You tried, and you failed. The lesson here is Never try."
-- Stuff Homer Simpson said

Posted by: FireHorse at May 12, 2010 02:13 PM (cQyWA)

263
in teh meanwhile, let's randomly pick numbers from 1 to 264 and respoond to those comments. I call this game "Fun With The Scrollwheel" or "How To Fuck With A Moron."


Posted by: Say my name, say my name at May 12, 2010 02:14 PM (uFokq)

264 It is not clear that the wasteland had sufficient water and grazing to support a cavalry horde.

We have no evidence from the primary sources to support this assertion. The barren steppes of northern Asia could certainly support a large horde -- surely the somewhat sere landscape of a post-Apocalyptic industrialized society could also.

And the Humongous would have a decided advantage over the pencil-necks on the other side in terms of practical craft-knowledge, because he would need to employ smiths, sadlers, armorers, and wagoners to support his horde. The ongoing cost of such an organization would be far less than a petroleum-powered mechanized force but would have nearly equivalent striking power (the closing speed of trained cavalry would be nearly that of hopped-up armored dunebuggies, I bet, and a lot scarier from the defenders' perspective).

Posted by: Monty at May 12, 2010 02:14 PM (4Pleu)

265 The four-term incumbent in that Long Island district. Can someone run Cox (the father, not the son) out of NY politics?

timbishop DOT house DOT gov/index DOT cfm?sectionid=113sectiontree=5,113

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 12, 2010 02:14 PM (mHQ7T)

266
watch...

#32: that's just plain dumb. Troll!

Posted by: Say my name, say my name at May 12, 2010 02:14 PM (uFokq)

267
#91: OMG you are so right!

Posted by: Say my name, say my name at May 12, 2010 02:15 PM (uFokq)

268 Monty, many would say that the scenerio of "The Road Warrior" was unlikely. But a horse won't allow your murderous hordes to cover 200 miles in a day. And The Houmungous was humble, he only wanted to rule the wasteland, not the world. Is that asking too much? BTW, the wasteland seemed to be as short of horse fodder as "juice". Heh.

Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2010 02:15 PM (OlN4e)

269 Monty, Horses + Machine Guns is not a good mix. You want your d--k in the dirt and a shovel. I'll take those 500 infantry and 500 dairy cows.

Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2010 02:15 PM (h0rZ/)

270 Verily, if it provoke thought or give rise to question, it be not Entertainment.

C'mere and pull my finger.

Posted by: Monty at May 12, 2010 02:15 PM (4Pleu)

271
hey, look it's Firehose.

Where's Waterhose?

Posted by: Say my name, say my name at May 12, 2010 02:16 PM (uFokq)

272 They deserve it. In fact, they deserve more.

I wish he was the UK prime minister.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 12, 2010 02:16 PM (mHQ7T)

273 Lord Humongus was a swish.

Posted by: Jenghis Khan at May 12, 2010 02:16 PM (4WbTI)

274 This is my shocked look:
Oh wait, I'm not shocked. Nevermind.

Posted by: not a piping plover at May 12, 2010 02:17 PM (HHtwf)

275 269

*yawn*

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 12, 2010 02:18 PM (mHQ7T)

276 "You tried, and you failed. The lesson here is Never try."
-- Stuff Homer Simpson said




It's not whether you win or lose, it's how much beer you drink.

Posted by: HomerRadish at May 12, 2010 02:19 PM (mR7mk)

277

The only answer is for Lord Humongous to adopt green technologies so that he can drive solar powered and electric vehicles. It will protect teh fragile environment of the wasteland, too


Posted by: Honky Waxman at May 12, 2010 02:19 PM (UaxA0)

278 I wish he was the UK prime minister.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 12, 2010 02:16 PM (mHQ7T)
He basically is. Cameron hired the Maoist twat, tongue protruding lizard troll, Anita Dumb, as an advisor.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 12, 2010 02:20 PM (Qp4DT)

279 Monty, Horses + Machine Guns is not a good mix. You want your d--k in the dirt and a shovel.

No, no, no! My cavalry would be equipped old-school: lances and short-bows, with swords for close-up work. Edged weapons are the way to go with mounted infantry (unless I had a ready supply of shorty carbines and plentiful ammo, anyhow, but we can't assume that in the Wasteland).

If my riders are menaced by defenders who wield projectile weapons, I'd throw up a mix of long-range bombardment (flaming trebuchet-driven masses, I think) and well-placed snipers (lots of hill-valley topology in the Wasteland makes this an ideal attacking formation). I might even send out two flanking wings of infantry to both cut off escape and to prevent reinforcement. The cavalry would be my spearhead, though.

Posted by: Monty at May 12, 2010 02:20 PM (4Pleu)

280 The Humongous was a big warlord who got where he was by being the biggest of the stupid thugs in his retinue. He wasted all that oil so publicly in the movie,because he was showing off his confidence that he could take over that refinery and then not worry about wasting it in future.
He's a believable character precisely because he's a moron.
Also, the horses in the region had been eaten already. Just like in the Great Plains, before the Spanish showed up with new ones.

Posted by: Zimriel at May 12, 2010 02:20 PM (9Sbz+)

281 You can't make this shit up.

CNBC reporting that Congress is not going to do a budget resolution for next year. Can anyone verify this? Put me some fuckin knowledge...

Posted by: Lunatic, What Comes From the Fringe at May 12, 2010 02:21 PM (uFdnM)

282 Err, make that 450 billion.

Posted by: CBO in 3 months at May 12, 2010 02:21 PM (90oki)

283
Will we learn nothing from Greece? Apparently.

Posted by: Say my name, say my name at May 12, 2010 02:22 PM (uFokq)

284 I'd throw up a mix of long-range bombardment (flaming trebuchet-driven masses,
IIRC, trebuchets require wood. Not much wood in the wasteland. So, what can you do with sand?

Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2010 02:23 PM (OlN4e)

285 As to the CBO's newfound 115 billion in expenses, this is still chicken feed, considering that HHS already said that the cost was going to be over 300 billion more than the obvious lying estimate forwarded during the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on the US.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 12, 2010 02:23 PM (Qp4DT)

286 Has anybody seen my dear friend Charles Johnson?

Posted by: Humongous at May 12, 2010 02:24 PM (90oki)

287 CNBC just announced that the April deficit was a record!

Doesn't April also historically have the highest revenues? We are boned. So boned.

Posted by: CUS at May 12, 2010 02:24 PM (wOGfT)

288 He's a believable character precisely because he's a moron.

That's my whole point. I would be a much better leader of the Wasteland Dregs than the Humongous ever was.

Monty for Ultimate Wasteland Warlord 2012! He will crush their puny skulls and take their gas!

Posted by: Monty at May 12, 2010 02:24 PM (4Pleu)

289 Anita Dunn got a job advising Cameron? This will only end in tears.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 12, 2010 02:25 PM (mHQ7T)

290
new gay post

Posted by: Say my name, say my name at May 12, 2010 02:25 PM (uFokq)

291 Why bother doing a budget, when the Repubs aren't going to appropriate based on it.

Posted by: Jean at May 12, 2010 02:25 PM (tJF9l)

292 Actually, hordes of cattle dogs can make a big difference in wasteland warfare.

Posted by: Mad Max at May 12, 2010 02:26 PM (90oki)

293 Monty for Ultimate Wasteland Warlord 2012! He will crush their puny skulls and take their gas!
Sign me up!

Posted by: maddogg at May 12, 2010 02:26 PM (OlN4e)

294 @277


That, sir, be Entertainment!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 12, 2010 02:27 PM (3xmqT)

295

Laser pointers, Monty. Simple laser pointers would immobilize large portions of cavalry (and infantry too) before they could reach any point of defense. Let alone the cavalry's inability to do much to 20 foot steel wals.

Advice? Invest in small solar cells and laser pointers.

Oh, and used microwave ovens. Dissassembling them by taking off the facing wall makes great short-distance area denial weapons.


Posted by: s'moron at May 12, 2010 02:27 PM (UaxA0)

296 IIRC, trebuchets require wood.

Bah. Plenty of post-industrial salvage: metal poles, concrete, destroyed buildings where I can find heavy beams -- plenty of stuff.

Posted by: Monty at May 12, 2010 02:27 PM (4Pleu)

297 We have no evidence from the primary sources to support this assertion.
The barren steppes of northern Asia could certainly support a large
horde -- surely the somewhat sere landscape of a post-Apocalyptic
industrialized society could also.




Posted by: Monty at May 12, 2010 02:14 PM (4Pleu)
It depends on whether one assumes that the landscape in The Road Warrior is actually the Australian Outback. (Perhaps it's intended as a generic "wasteland" that could be on any continent.) We know that the Australians imported camels for use in patrolling the Outback because the land is hard on horses.Of course, that suggests a better solution: a smaller cavalry striking force with a camel caravan providing drayage and camp transport. Which is, in fact, what the Mongol Horde did.

Posted by: stuiec at May 12, 2010 02:27 PM (W+GYq)

298 Arm your cavalry with falcons!

Posted by: Ken Mortimer at May 12, 2010 02:28 PM (4WbTI)

299 Anita Dunn got a job advising Cameron? This will only end in tears.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at May 12, 2010 02:25 PM (mHQ7T)

She sure did. They would be lucky if this ended only in tears.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 12, 2010 02:29 PM (Qp4DT)

300 We know that the Australians imported camels for use in patrolling the Outback because the land is hard on horses.
Posted by: stuiec at May 12, 2010 02:27 PM (W+GYq)

I thought Camels washed up on the beach with the drift wood.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at May 12, 2010 02:30 PM (Mv/2X)

301 And when I finish enslaving you morons in teh wasteland, I'll roast waterworld and make Kevin Costner mysex-bitch

Posted by: Humongous at May 12, 2010 02:30 PM (90oki)

302 She sure did.
They would be lucky if this ended only in tears.


Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 12, 2010 02:29 PM (Qp4DT)
--Ugh. Well, if the hoe fits . . . get thee to the rice fields!

Posted by: logprof at May 12, 2010 02:31 PM (Mmw0q)

303 Congress can't do the budget resolution...because...well their version is too much work.

The real version is that these pusillanimous fucks are facing re-election. To pass a highly visible budget resolution with a shit ton more debt will be certain death for those few clingers on that think they are going to win re-election this fall.

So the pussies are simply not going to pass a budget resolution which they will be highly criticized for. In fact, it would be a complete dereliction of duty.

WEEEEEEEEE.......when the going gets tough, quit going.

Posted by: Lunatic, What Comes From the Fringe at May 12, 2010 02:33 PM (uFdnM)

304 Now, it can be told. You are the only real human. Everyone else is a robot.

Posted by: Kilgore Trout at May 12, 2010 02:33 PM (90oki)

305 Can't blame CBO. They are by law restricted to what is "in the bill," no matter how incredible it is. They did issue comments about how unlikely they viewed Medicare cuts, for example, but if the bill says there will be half a trillion in cuts there, they MUST figure that in.

Notice the new estimate is based on new info, and STILL assumes those Medicare cuts will be made.

Posted by: Adjoran at May 12, 2010 02:37 PM (3hg5M)

306 Gold going to about a mill an oz. Selling futures in my gold crowns. Who knew that a few root canals could land me a motorhome and a gas station.

Is this a great country or what?

Posted by: Lunatic, What Comes From the Fringe at May 12, 2010 02:43 PM (uFdnM)

307 1. I'm sure they knew this before the bill was passed.
2. I don't know if anyone mentioned it already but this applies only to the Obamacare bill, it does not have anything to do with the doc fix which was passed separately but should have been part of the bill.

Posted by: Bill R. at May 12, 2010 04:31 PM (EhlQq)

308 1. When Obama and the Dems in congress used government money to buy a majority stake in General Motors, and the people didn't march on the Capitol with pitchforks and torches, the motherfuckers knew they could do anything at all and no one would raise any effective protest.

2. Pols lying to the American people has now become so brazen that it doesn't even make headlines (provided the pols are Democrats).

3. Wanna see our future? Look to Britain--same legal traditions, largely the same genetic stock, but even their so-called Conservatives are spouting crap about needing more diversity, community organizing and social outreach. Crime is through the roof, and the govt has even been bringing criminal charge against *homeowners* who defend themselves against home invaders with a knife, sword or other non-firearm weapon. That's very likely our future.

4. Many towns or burbs in Sweden and Holland are now controlled by Muslims, to the extent that even firefighters won't enter without police protection (which the cops are damned reluctant to provide). Those two nations are less than a decade away from Muslim control of their national governments. And only a couple of percent of the natives appear to be making overt complaints about it. That's us in a few more decades.

5. I don't have any kids, but if I did, I'd be *really* up in arms about the likely direction of the United States. I'd be arming to the teeth, organizing paramilitary forces against the coming unwillingness of existing police to maintain order, and getting ready to fight literally instead of just electorally. Fortunately I don't have any kids... Oh, wait, you say you do?

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