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Three More Women Allege Dustin Hoffman Sexually Abused Them -- One Claiming Hoffman Exposed Himself to Her When She Was 16 Years Old

Demons.

Cori Thomas was in high school when she says Dustin Hoffman exposed himself to her in a hotel room. Melissa Kester was a recent college graduate when Hoffman allegedly sexually assaulted her while recording audio for the film "Ishtar." A third woman, who asked to remain anonymous, said that Hoffman assaulted her in the back of a station wagon and manipulated her into a subsequent sexual encounter that left her traumatized.

Here's Thomas' story. Does this remind you of anyone else's MO?

Thomas was 16 years old and a high-school classmate of Hoffman's daughter Karina at the United Nations International School in New York when she met the actor in 1980. An aspiring actor, she had spent a Sunday afternoon with Karina and Hoffman walking in Manhattan...

"This was at first one of the greatest days of my life," she said. "One of my idols was spending time with me and talking with me respectfully."

Thomas' parents -- her father was the U.N. ambassador from Liberia -- were supposed to pick her up at the restaurant. But, according to Thomas, Hoffman suggested that the three of them wait at the hotel where he was staying and leave a note for Thomas' parents with the maitre d’ saying they had gone to the hotel. After the three arrived at Hoffman’s hotel room, "Either Karina or Dustin suggested that [Karina] should go home" to Hoffman and [his wife's] house nearby, Thomas said, "because it was a school night and she had homework. So she left, and I was left in the hotel room with him alone."

Shortly after Karina departed, according to Thomas, Hoffman went to the restroom. She heard the shower turn on. "I was just sitting there waiting for my parents," Thomas said.

After several minutes, "He came out of the bathroom with a towel at first wrapped around him, which he dropped," Thomas said."“He was standing there naked. I think I almost collapsed, actually. It was the first time I had ever seen a naked man. I was mortified. I didn't know what to do. And he milked it. He milked the fact that he was naked. He stood there. He took his time."

Hoffman eventually put on a robe and sat on the bed, according to Thomas, who said that he then asked her to massage his feet. She complied.

"I didn't know what to do in the circumstance," she said. "I didn't know that I could say no, so I did it. And he kept telling me, 'I'm naked. Do you want to see?'" Thomas said that she pretended not to hear Hoffman as he made suggestive comments to her.

"What saved me was that the phone rang, and it was my mother downstairs to pick me up," Thomas said. "So I left."

Previously, a woman came forward to say that Dustin Hoffman had repeatedly felt up her ass and made crude sexual propositions and suggestions to her -- when she was a 17 year old senior in high school. And he was, you know, not 17.

She also said that Hoffman asked for a footrub -- which she gave him, even thought she didn't want to. Because she was an intern in the play Hoffman was starring in, and because, probably, kids are just not really psychologically ready to contradict or refuse adults' requests. Kids have been told all their lives to do as their elders say (with the exception of people handing out candy from the backs of vans), and they go through a process of really becoming an adult -- and seeing adults as peers, not elders to be respected unconditionally -- in their later teen years and early 20s.

The second woman describes an even more serious violation. She was a recent college graduate, so age is not really an issue, but the behavior here is... well, straight up sexual assault, and the serious kind.

Hoffman was in a recording booth recording a song for "Ishtar." He was having trouble with the take, and said "Send Melissa [Kester] in here."

He started hugging her when singing, on the pretext, I guess, that this was helping him sing.

Then it got bad.

"And as he's doing that, he literally just stuck his fingers down my pants," Kester said. "He put his fingers inside me. And the thing I feel most bad about is I didn’t know what to do. I just stood there. I just froze in the situation like 'Oh my god, what is happening?' It's shocking when that happens to you."

Kester said that she made an effort not to react for fear that her boyfriend or the other man in the control room would know what was happening. She estimated that Hoffman kept his fingers inside her for 15-20 seconds, until he finished the take. Then she moved away from him.

Actresses are reportedly planning to wear all black at this year's Golden Globes, to protest sexual harassment, and I can't say I begrudge them this protest.

Many of you have probably seen this, but check out the surprise cameo at the end of this Today show clip making light of sexual harassment.

Posted by: Ace at 07:13 PM




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1

An Entire Family Now Identifies As Transgender

https://tinyurl.com/y8o9pnpl

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 07:10 PM (IqV8l)

2 primero

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 07:10 PM (EzdLW)

3 okay, segundo

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 07:11 PM (EzdLW)

4

Is it safe?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 07:12 PM (IqV8l)

5 This isn't gonna get out of control. It's gonna get out of control and we'll all be lucky to live through it.

Nah, let em burn.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 15, 2017 07:12 PM (gC2IV)

6

Shanna, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 07:14 PM (IqV8l)

7 Sweet Christ on a crutch, am I alone in knowing how to conduct myself like an adult?

Oh, wait, I'm not on the left. You can understand the confusion.

Posted by: pep at December 15, 2017 07:15 PM (LAe3v)

8 I had the misfortune of seeing a picture of Chuck Schumer today. He's either a pervert or his face is a liar. Very punchable face.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 07:16 PM (Xx7dP)

9 Fraction of people being outed as sexual abusers who are also on the left: approaching 100%

Fraction of women on the left who will draw the appropriate conclusion: approaching 0%.

Posted by: pep at December 15, 2017 07:17 PM (LAe3v)

10 Leftist progs are burning their own as a pretext to revisit pretty much baseless accusations against Trump before the election.


That and the Hill-bots are out for vengeance having lost a sure thing.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 07:18 PM (Eu5eZ)

11 The real world has put me in the mood to watch "They Live"

I'm here to chew bubble gum and kick ass . . .

Lots of masks getting removed.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at December 15, 2017 07:18 PM (JyFLk)

12 7 Sweet Christ on a crutch, am I alone in knowing how to conduct myself like an adult?

Oh, wait, I'm not on the left. You can understand the confusion.
Posted by: pep at December 15, 2017 07:15 PM (LAe3v
The thought of exposing myself to a teenager has never crossed my mind

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 07:18 PM (Xx7dP)

13 >>He was standing there naked. I think I almost collapsed, actually. It
was the first time I had ever seen a naked man. I was mortified. I
didn't know what to do. And he milked it.

Yeah, I "milked" it alright.

Posted by: Dustin at December 15, 2017 07:18 PM (2cuLk)

14 He's the Graduate. A grad student from the school of sexual harassment. When you can snatch the boobehs with your hand, it will be time for you to leave.

Posted by: Bear phone at December 15, 2017 07:18 PM (+mfcd)

15 Ok, I have a confession. I have somehow managed to go my entire adult life without touching a woman who didn't want to be touched. I blame my parents for my upbringing.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 15, 2017 07:18 PM (gC2IV)

16 8
I had the misfortune of seeing a picture of Chuck Schumer today. He's
either a pervert or his face is a liar. Very punchable face.

Posted by: Northernlurker


Seriously. He looks and sounds like a Jewish caricature the Nazis might have used.

Posted by: pep at December 15, 2017 07:18 PM (LAe3v)

17 I wonder if they used that take?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 07:19 PM (8bEU0)

18 Filioli, custodite vos a simulacris. Amen.

--This Hollywood pervnado has made me think of that verse *a lot*.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:19 PM (GsAUU)

19 Dustin Hoffman is like the NHL in July:

No game.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:20 PM (GsAUU)

20 He was great in Star Wars.

Posted by: Todd Gakk at December 15, 2017 07:20 PM (8bEU0)

21 Probability that we will all have to take more 'awareness' training at work: 100%

Probability that every company and gov agency will have to set up a settlement / hush fund if they don't have one already: 100%

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 07:21 PM (Eu5eZ)

22 This is just like the "casting couch" in the mechanical engineering field that all the gals have to go through...

Wait! No it isn't because there's so such thing as a "casting couch" in engineering, or real estate, or astronomy. It's just the entertainment industry.

Which is something that everybody has heard about all their lives.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 15, 2017 07:22 PM (tRaq7)

23 Tootsie seemed so sweet...

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 07:22 PM (LiyEm)

24 Haven't seen a post here about the latest Salma Hayek charge against Harvey Weinstein. Says he forced her to put in the lesbian nude scene. (The Josephine Baker scene.)

I'm not so sure the horde will be appalled by this. All the men I know, who saw the movie, liked it. OTOH, she is my favorite bombshell of the last 30 or so years.

Posted by: George LeS at December 15, 2017 07:23 PM (+TcCF)

25 >> Wait! No it isn't because there's so such thing as a "casting couch" in engineering, or real estate, or astronomy. It's just the entertainment industry.


Entertainment and politics.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 07:23 PM (Eu5eZ)

26 Which is something that everybody has heard about all their lives.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy


Not me. I've never heard of it.

Posted by: Dana Perino, who is getting a little long in the tooth for the ingenue act at December 15, 2017 07:23 PM (LAe3v)

27 am I alone in knowing how to conduct myself like an adult?


That's what the media want each of us to believe - that we're isolated, alone, that everybody's corrupt. And therefore everybody should give up more freedom, as it's the only way to stop this wave of _________ (insert latest hysteria here).

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 07:23 PM (EzdLW)

28 So explain the difference between how Shirley Temple Black and Judy Garland turned out?

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 07:24 PM (zLDYs)

29 Not so long ago we had to tear down every monument to the Confederacy. Why not do the same thing to all those being accused of sexual harassment. No more Dustin Hoffman movies can be played or sold. Ban all movies that Weinstein and Polanski did. And while we're at it we can tear down the Clinton Library.

Posted by: Waste93 at December 15, 2017 07:24 PM (XbcsC)

30 Let's mock Pence some more.

- MFM

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 07:24 PM (Eu5eZ)

31 Don't all those female teachers who fuck their students qualify as sexual harassers/rapists, etc.?

It seems we've been seeing the female version of this for a while now...

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 15, 2017 07:25 PM (oVJmc)

32 Don't hate Hoffman enough to care.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2017 07:25 PM (xJa6I)

33
Anybody want a Tootsie roll?

Posted by: Little Pig Man at December 15, 2017 07:26 PM (UdKB7)

34 Tales of (Dustin) Hoffman

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 15, 2017 07:26 PM (oVJmc)

35 Somehow it seems appropriate to make reference to Little Big Man

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 07:26 PM (Xx7dP)

36 Disgustin' lustin' Dustin'. His schnoz needs a bustin'.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 15, 2017 07:27 PM (/qEW2)

37 35 Somehow it seems appropriate to make reference to Little Big Man
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 07:26 PM (Xx7dP)

Heh

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2017 07:27 PM (xJa6I)

38 Imagine the shiite Dudley Moore pulled.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 07:27 PM (Eu5eZ)

39 Ishtar?

Holy crap. That was over forty years ago. Who cares?

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 07:27 PM (7JbXq)

40 23 Tootsie seemed so sweet...
Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 07:22 PM (LiyEm)

--LMAO

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:27 PM (GsAUU)

41 For God's sake, Mrs. Robinson. Here we are. You got me into your house.
You give me a drink. You... put on music. Now, you start opening up your
personal life to me and tell me your husband won't be home for hours. Mrs. Robinson, you're trying to seduce me! Aren't you?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 15, 2017 07:27 PM (QCX64)

42 So when do Hollywoodies surrender their moral authority card?

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 07:28 PM (Xx7dP)

43 Golly gee-whiz, Wally, how come it seems like it's mostly all these leftists that are doing this?


Posted by: The Beaver at December 15, 2017 07:28 PM (8iiMU)

44 Kinda quiet around here.

Is everyone still over at the GAINZZZ thread arguing about whether it was boobs, or bumpstocks, or Marco Rubio that caused Darth Vader to blow up Net Neutrality?

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 07:29 PM (EzdLW)

45 So when do Hollywoodies surrender their moral authority card?

When they're no longer better than us. So...never.

Posted by: tu3031 at December 15, 2017 07:29 PM (O5Q3r)

46 Mr. McGuire: I just want to say one word to you. Just one word.

Benjamin: Yes, sir.

Mr. McGuire: Are you listening?

Benjamin: Yes, I am.

Mr. McGuire: Latex.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 15, 2017 07:29 PM (oVJmc)

47 If Dustin Hoffman was a Chartered Accountant would he still be a pervert?

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 07:29 PM (Xx7dP)

48 39 Ishtar?

Holy crap. That was over forty years ago. Who cares?
Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 07:27 PM (7JbXq)

--Thirty.

I've never seen it, but I've heard some people say Ishtar wasn't that bad, just a bomb at the box office.

I'm the same way about Cutthroat Island.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:29 PM (GsAUU)

49 >>And while we're at it we can tear down the Clinton Library.

Best to not disturb all that black mold.

Posted by: Aviator at December 15, 2017 07:30 PM (2cuLk)

50 Entertainment and politics.

Well, yeah, that too.

I met this smokin' hot woman at a gig about 20 years ago. She was some assistant to some assistant to some state legislator, which she reminded me of every three or four minutes.

She was extremely proud of that, to the extent that that was all she talked about. After about tem minutes of hearing her tongue-bathe herself, I said, "That's nice" and walked off.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 15, 2017 07:30 PM (tRaq7)

51 I doubt he "Milked" it.

Posted by: zombie harvey milk at December 15, 2017 07:31 PM (QCX64)

52 Shirley Temple credits her mom with caring about her and keeping her grounded

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at December 15, 2017 07:32 PM (PHxng)

53 She was extremely proud of that, to the extent that that was all she talked about. After about tem minutes of hearing her tongue-bathe herself, I said, "That's nice" and walked off.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 15, 2017 07:30 PM (tRaq7)

--Reminds me of that country(ish) song a few years ago about "Let's Talk About Me."

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:32 PM (GsAUU)

54 And you want to be my latex salesman.

Posted by: jerry at December 15, 2017 07:32 PM (QCX64)

55 35-year-old charges? Ignore! I now flatly reject charges that are outside the statute of limitations. Sorry, Felicia!

Posted by: skzion at December 15, 2017 07:32 PM (baQys)

56 But Trump ogled a woman who was naked under her robe!!!

Posted by: Aunt Luna at December 15, 2017 07:32 PM (Zd2ZF)

57 logprof, You heard it wrong.

Ishtar really was shit.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 07:32 PM (7JbXq)

58 47 If Dustin Hoffman was a Chartered Accountant would he still be a pervert?
Posted by: Northernlurker
__________

They're the worst of the lot. You ever been to an accountants' convention?

Wearing lampshades, drinking like DistHillary, engaging in the most vile debauchery.

Why do you think they call it double-entry accounting?

Posted by: Furious George at December 15, 2017 07:33 PM (2Omzf)

59 48
I've never seen it, but I've heard some people say Ishtar wasn't that bad, just a bomb at the box office.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:29 PM (GsAUU)


I saw it on cable TV ages ago, and I thought it was OK. Couldn't tell you a thing about it now, though.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 07:33 PM (sdi6R)

60 Kester said that she made an effort not to react for fear that her
boyfriend or the other man in the control room would know what was
happening. She estimated that Hoffman kept his fingers inside her for
15-20 seconds, until he finished the take. Then she moved away from him.



Ladies, tell your boyfriends. Yes, they might cost you your job, but you'll have a man that's willing to stand up for you. And if he won't even do that, he shouldn't be your boyfriend.

Posted by: pookysgirl at December 15, 2017 07:34 PM (XKZwp)

61 Maybe it's time to start digging up stars on whatever street those stars are on. And rescinding Oscars. If they are gonna eat their own, I'm gonna refill the water glasses and offer fresh ground pepper. Can I offer anyone dessert?

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at December 15, 2017 07:34 PM (tMFgx)

62 I bet Hoffman's memory of these events is different.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 07:34 PM (3myMJ)

63 Hey everybody.

I'm really disappointed about the allegations about Dustin Hoffman. He's a public figure I admired, like Bill Cosby, and I always figured he was too smart to pull this kind of BS.

One thing I've learned the past couple years is, I am a *horrible* judge of character, and it frustrates and saddens me.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 15, 2017 07:34 PM (eMKNe)

64 58 47 If Dustin Hoffman was a Chartered Accountant would he still be a pervert?
Posted by: Northernlurker
__________

They're the worst of the lot. You ever been to an accountants' convention?

Wearing lampshades, drinking like DistHillary, engaging in the most vile debauchery.

Why do you think they call it double-entry accounting?
Posted by: Furious George at December 15, 2017 07:33 PM (2Omzf)

Lol

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 07:34 PM (Xx7dP)

65 Seriously, how can you not say anything if a dude just starts fingerbanging you in a RECORDING SESSION!?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 07:34 PM (8bEU0)

66 CutThroat Island was the kind of flop I expected a movie based on a Disney ride to be...

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 07:35 PM (LiyEm)

67 57 logprof, You heard it wrong.

Ishtar really was shit.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 07:32 PM (7JbXq)

--Heh, can't recall who it was saw it and told me.

I'll say this: As a throwaway movie Cutthroat Island was okay fun, but I would not now recommend it at all because Geena Davis has become such an insufferable lefty bitch since then.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:35 PM (GsAUU)

68 I've been reading about the common sexual exploitation in Hollywood, music, etc., and I am so sickened that I am finding it difficult to enjoy any media entertainment. And it goes hand in hand with drug abuse.

Posted by: QuintAmpersandJessel at December 15, 2017 07:35 PM (t2v3w)

69 >>>17 I wonder if they used that take?

It's like when Sting accidentally sat on a piano at the beginning of "Roxanne," or the random door knocking in Michael Jackson's "Beat It"

Posted by: wooga at December 15, 2017 07:35 PM (uCYAx)

70 And Cutthroat Island wasn't quite as bad.

I really liked Waterworld.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 07:36 PM (7JbXq)

71 I can explain that candy in the van thing!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 07:36 PM (Sfs6o)

72 Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 15, 2017 07:30 PM (tRaq7)

Sounds like "that guy" who opened for Pure Prairie League once.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 07:37 PM (3myMJ)

73 The funny thing about Cutthroat Island was how much $$$$$$ they spent making it.



Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 07:37 PM (7JbXq)

74 >>It's like when Sting accidentally sat on a piano at the beginning of "Roxanne," or the random door knocking in Michael Jackson's "Beat It"


That squelch! wasn't the Potentiometer on the Reverb Tank?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 07:37 PM (8bEU0)

75 The credits are rolling right now on 'The Bulletproof Monk'. I wonder how many of those people listed were harassed and abused? Better than half is my bet.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 07:37 PM (zLDYs)

76 Jimmy Kimmel is such a dick that he's guilty of exhibitionism every time he appears in public

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 07:37 PM (Xx7dP)

77 Ladies, tell your boyfriends. Yes, they might cost you your job, but you'll have a man that's willing to stand up for you. And if he won't even do that, he shouldn't be your boyfriend.
Posted by: pookysgirl at December 15, 2017 07:34 PM (XKZwp)

--Heh, Vox Day is selling shirts that read "That red dot on your chest means my daddy is watching" (also a version with husband with a different gun on it).

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:38 PM (GsAUU)

78 They're the worst of the lot. You ever been to an accountants' convention?....Why do you think they call it double-entry accounting?



pfffft. Chemists triple bond.

Posted by: pep at December 15, 2017 07:39 PM (LAe3v)

79 Oh, my.

Posted by: Zombie Tootsie at December 15, 2017 07:40 PM (Tyii7)

80 Ladies, tell your boyfriends. Yes, they might cost you your job, but you'll have a man that's willing to stand up for you. And if he won't even do that, he shouldn't be your boyfriend.

Then call the cops and fill out a report. Right. Then. And. There. Make a big thing out of it, for your own sake.

There's no excuse for having to put up with that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 15, 2017 07:40 PM (tRaq7)

81 It's like when Sting accidentally sat on a piano at the beginning of "Roxanne," or the random door knocking in Michael Jackson's "Beat It"
Posted by: wooga at December 15, 2017 07:35 PM (uCYAx)

--I still want to know about the phone ringing during "Knocking on Heaven's Door" by Guns 'n' Roses.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:40 PM (GsAUU)

82 I see that Geena Davis Julianne Moore is in the new Kingsman film.

shit.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 07:40 PM (7JbXq)

83 Having said what I did above about Hoffman... I can still keep a sense of humor about everything.

It's been reported that on the set of "Tootsie," Dustin sexually harassed *himself.* :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 15, 2017 07:40 PM (eMKNe)

84 73 The funny thing about Cutthroat Island was how much $$$$$$ they spent making it.



Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 07:37 PM (7JbXq)

--That show Davis did later playing a female president was also a colossal bomb.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:41 PM (GsAUU)

85 O/T

Weasel, I am planning to use Break Free CLP for the Ruger AR. Everyone has a different idea on what to use from Hoppes to Mobil 1 synthetic oil. Break Free seems to get more recommendations than most. Any opinion on what to use?

Posted by: JTB at December 15, 2017 07:41 PM (V+03K)

86 >>> --I still want to know about the phone ringing during "Knocking on Heaven's Door" by Guns 'n' Roses.

Did Axl throw his microphone and walk off the stage?

Posted by: fluffy at December 15, 2017 07:42 PM (cHbmY)

87 82 I see that Geena Davis Julianne Moore is in the new Kingsman film.

shit.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 07:40 PM (7JbXq)

--Feh, both are annoying Hillarrhoids.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:42 PM (GsAUU)

88 Actresses are reportedly planning to wear all black at this year's Golden Globes, to protest sexual harassment, and I can't say I begrudge them this protest. >>>>

OK, Ace, but you know that all the people who get to say anything on-stage will still make it into a bash-fest against that woman-harassing PDT. Merely wearing black will be as much protest as will be given towards Weinstein and his co-wankers in the entertainment and other Dem-infested professions.

Posted by: Gref at December 15, 2017 07:43 PM (AMIL/)

89
Gotta watch Fapner, 4 o'clock. Gotta watch Fapner, 4 o'clock. Gotta watch Fapner, 4 o'clock. Gotta watch Fapner, 4 o'clock. Gotta watch Fapner, 4 o'clock. Gotta watch Fapner, 4 o'clock. Gotta watch Fapner, 4 o'clock...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 07:44 PM (mbhDw)

90 From the dead thread, better here:


Guys, being good looking and in shape can help you have sex with women without being sued for sexual harassment!


https://tinyurl.com/ydyse4bx

Posted by: Javems at December 15, 2017 07:44 PM (yOqwj)

91
They're creepy and they're kooky
They're all together loopy
And just a little fruity
The Tranny Family.

Posted by: Little Pig Man at December 15, 2017 07:44 PM (UdKB7)

92 Ya know, it's not really that I "admired" or "looked up to" any of these schmucks.
But now they just seem like such jerks. All of them. If they personally didn't do anything, they covered up for the powerful that did do nasty stuff (like that asshole Weinstein). Weinstein was so powerful, had so much influence, NOBODY would stand up to him.
No matter how wrong he was, they all feared more for their futures and careers than doing anything right.

What a cesspool of sick, weak human beings.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at December 15, 2017 07:45 PM (S6Pax)

93 Report it within the month or don't report it. So sick of this '30 years later' bs.

Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2017 07:45 PM (eO5CB)

94 Decadent Western Hollywood Kulture.

It is to cry for Humanity.

Posted by: Boris Aleksandar Oloafson at December 15, 2017 07:45 PM (KdDCu)

95 So there was this time I was in the recording studio. Shania Twain called me in and next thing I knew she had her hand down my pants. I was stunned! Stunned I tell you. I told her in no uncertain terms, "Madam, you have exactly fifteen minutes to remove your hand!" True story. Maybe.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 15, 2017 07:46 PM (gC2IV)

96 Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke has fired four senior officials in his department over inappropriate conduct, including sexual harassment, he announced in a video

Hopefully Swampers.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 07:46 PM (3myMJ)

97 Well, yeah, that too.

I met this smokin' hot woman at a gig about 20 years ago. She was some assistant to some assistant to some state legislator, which she reminded me of every three or four minutes.

She was extremely proud of that, to the extent that that was all she talked about. After about tem minutes of hearing her tongue-bathe herself, I said, "That's nice" and walked off.


Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 15, 2017 07:30 PM (tRaq7)


Been in a situation like that. Chick was doing the same shit, but it was about her degree, and it went on, and on, and on. As she was sucking the air out of the room the other woman started eye rolling and starting drifting away. After watching this slow motion cock block going on for an hour or so my other guitar player at the time had hit his tolerance level and said fuck this, pulled out his dick and said "what are you gonna do about this?"

He was a crazy bastard, but effective. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 07:46 PM (aMlLZ)

98 I said this on another thread, if some old coot ogled your titties you're not 'scarred,' if you squanked him to advance and feel gross about it, that's on you. If he raped you, you should have reported it as rape.

Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2017 07:47 PM (eO5CB)

99 78 They're the worst of the lot. You ever been to an accountants' convention?....Why do you think they call it double-entry accounting?

pfffft. Chemists triple bond.
Posted by: pep
__________

College professors openly encourage female students to matriculate. Some of them even demand that female students show them their thesis.

Posted by: Furious George at December 15, 2017 07:47 PM (2Omzf)

100 Remove it.
Replace it.
Remove it.
Replace it.
Remove it.
Replace it.
Remove it.
Replace it.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 15, 2017 07:48 PM (QCX64)

101 So there was this time I was in the recording studio. Shania Twain called me in and next thing I knew she had her hand down my pants. I was stunned! Stunned I tell you. I told her in no uncertain terms, "Madam, you have exactly fifteen minutes to remove your hand!" True story. Maybe.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 15, 2017 07:46 PM (gC2IV)


Hand over your man card for immediate dematerialization.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 07:48 PM (aMlLZ)

102 Smell my finger.

Posted by: Little Pig Man at December 15, 2017 07:49 PM (UdKB7)

103 He was a crazy bastard, but effective. lol

Oh, to have seen the look on her face then. I bet she shut up real quick-like.

OK, gotta go do Christmas stuff.

Y'all try to behave.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 15, 2017 07:49 PM (tRaq7)

104 90 From the dead thread, better here:


Guys, being good looking and in shape can help you have sex with women without being sued for sexual harassment!


https://tinyurl.com/ydyse4bx
Posted by: Javems at December 15, 2017 07:44 PM (yOqwj)

Heh. That's about it right there.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 07:49 PM (NWiLs)

105 Only the thespian professors do that, Furious George.
And who broke the comment boxes?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 15, 2017 07:49 PM (QCX64)

106 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 07:48 PM (aMlLZ)

-----------

What, you could last longer than fifteen minutes with Shania Twain? Braggart.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 15, 2017 07:50 PM (gC2IV)

107 >> He was a crazy bastard, but effective. lol


If she was standing beneath any mistletoe, he was completely in his rights to do so.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 07:50 PM (8bEU0)

108 What I find hilarious is that Meryl Streep who called Harvey Weinstein a god made it known that she couldn't stand Dustin when she worked with him on Kramer v Kramer. Can't remember if she said it was just his personality or something more creepy.

Posted by: Decaf at December 15, 2017 07:51 PM (PCopq)

109 This guy gives me the creeps.

Posted by: Judge Wapner at December 15, 2017 07:51 PM (r9UYA)

110 98: More antique allegations, grand

Posted by: CN at December 15, 2017 07:51 PM (5gaNQ)

111 What I think I have learned from all of this is that women freeze anytime you assault them and unfreeze after a minimum of 20 years.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 07:54 PM (2DOZq)

112 Ladies, tell your boyfriends. Yes, they might cost you your job, but you'll have a man that's willing to stand up for you. And if he won't even do that, he shouldn't be your boyfriend.


Posted by: pookysgirl at December 15, 2017 07:34 PM (XKZwp)

I can guarantee you that my husband would be in jail had that happened to me.

I can also guarantee you that I would not have kept silent, no matter the shock. Women carry for a reason, and after protecting my son, that is number two (with a bullet).

At the very least, he would no longer have the fingers to pull that stunt again.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 15, 2017 07:55 PM (7UW64)

113 Always thought Hoffman was miscast in everything except being the autistic. Un-f-ing-attractive.


ugh.



Yeah, the women in the graduate wouldn't have gotten within 10 feet of you.

Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2017 07:56 PM (eO5CB)

114 Eh...screw it. All these dickheads have been lecturing us about toxic masculinity and women's rights and the wage gap and on and on and on. Let em go full petard.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 07:57 PM (NWiLs)

115 Wow, Lisa Bloom is a shitstain.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:57 PM (GsAUU)

116 He has always been a creepy fucker. Never liked him as an actor.

Posted by: The Jackhole Somewhere on fried to a crisp Ventura Highway at December 15, 2017 07:57 PM (M+Lyo)

117 Is Lisa Bloom the female Larry Flynt?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 07:57 PM (IqV8l)

118 Actresses were forced to wear Marchesa by Weinstein. Now they're forced to wear black because of Weinstein. How about they actually do something and give some of the women forced out some work!

Posted by: QuintAmpersandJessel at December 15, 2017 07:57 PM (t2v3w)

119 117 Is Lisa Bloom the female Larry Flynt?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 07:57 PM (IqV8l)

--Allread's daughter.

She offered big $$$ for Trump accusers to "step forward."

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:58 PM (GsAUU)

120 One day this will all be over, and there won't be any money in it. Then what will we do?

Posted by: Boris Aleksandar Oloafson at December 15, 2017 07:59 PM (KdDCu)

121 Man, Tucker has a hot attorney on his show.

Rowr.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:59 PM (GsAUU)

122 I was 13 when my creepy uncle grabbed my crotch. I yelled, " Get your fucking hand off me, you fuck!" He did, but he could also have knocked me down...

Posted by: QuintAmpersandJessel at December 15, 2017 08:00 PM (t2v3w)

123 It's a kind of prostitution. Highly paid prostitution, but prostitution nonetheless.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 08:00 PM (zLDYs)

124 Hoffman was great in Marathon Man, Papillon and Midnight Cowboy.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 08:00 PM (2DOZq)

125 Hoffman is very good in Marathon Man and Papillon.

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:00 PM (LiyEm)

126 115 Wow, Lisa Bloom is a shitstain.
Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:57 PM (GsAUU)

--------------

Yeah, that apple didn't get very far from the tree.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 15, 2017 08:01 PM (gC2IV)

127 What's so creepy about what Dustin did?

Posted by: Joe Biden, Female Hair Inspector at December 15, 2017 08:01 PM (GsAUU)

128 Oh and Midnight Cowboy....

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:01 PM (LiyEm)

129 119 117 Is Lisa Bloom the female Larry Flynt?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 07:57 PM (IqV8l)

--Allread's daughter.

She offered big $$$ for Trump accusers to "step forward."
Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:58 PM (GsAUU)

She's a victimhood pimp.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 08:01 PM (NWiLs)

130 Emily Compagno is stupid hot.

Has eyes like Bambi's Mom, that one.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 08:01 PM (8bEU0)

131 128 Oh and Midnight Cowboy....
Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:01 PM (LiyEm)

Heh

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 08:02 PM (2DOZq)

132
Yeah, that apple didn't get very far from the tree.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 15, 2017 08:01 PM (gC2IV)


--More like a shit apple (Jim Lahey)

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:02 PM (GsAUU)

133 Did Bambi's mom use that much eye makeup?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 08:02 PM (IqV8l)

134 Hoffman has truly done it all, - full retard, crossdressing stuff, groping and shit. A Master of the Arts.

Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2017 08:02 PM (A1FgP)

135 said that Hoffman assaulted her in the back of a station wagon"

Ah, that was a VW ad...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 08:02 PM (MINbv)

136 I'd hit it.

Posted by: Zombie Tootsie at December 15, 2017 08:02 PM (Tyii7)

137 >>Did Bambi's mom use that much eye makeup?


Yep. Eveyone thought she was a whore.

Posted by: Thumper at December 15, 2017 08:02 PM (8bEU0)

138 131 I didn't even see that...

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:03 PM (LiyEm)

139 Here's what my local paper thinks about Net Neutrality:

"Protests have erupted online and in the streets as everyday Americans worry that cable and phone companies will be able to control what they see and do online."

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 08:03 PM (3myMJ)

140 How about they actually do something and give some of the women forced out some work!

Posted by: QuintAmpersandJessel at December 15, 2017 07:57 PM (t2v3w)


Because, much the like the pussy march, these women are used to shrieking nonsense and getting attention for it rather than doing anything productive or moral.

The live reprehensible lives full of drama and horseshit. And they spread it everywhere they go.

Look at all the ladies jumping on the #metoo bandwagon. Now it is chic to be raped. I can't imagine anything more repugnant.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 15, 2017 08:03 PM (7UW64)

141 Now I gotta link Jim Lahey's shit apple rant:

https://youtu.be/eZEPSqPI1B4

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:04 PM (GsAUU)

142 --Thirty.

I've never seen it, but I've heard some people say Ishtar wasn't that bad, just a bomb at the box office.

I'm the same way about Cutthroat Island.


Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 07:29 PM


Yeah, Ishtar's ok. It's a train wreck, bewildering, and clunky. But, the terrible songs are great and the two schlubs are done pretty well. Trying to marry the talentless losers who fail upwards (fantastic) to the spy shenanigans, doesn't mesh so good. It has it's moments and those moments are worth the watch. Cut Throat Island I was bored to sleep by, back in the day, but now it has some OTT silly charm that I like.

But, I like Battlefield Earth, so take my opinion for what it is.

Posted by: george lucas at December 15, 2017 08:05 PM (qGuLD)

143 130 Emily Compagno is stupid hot.

Has eyes like Bambi's Mom, that one.
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 08:01 PM (8bEU0)

--I wouldn't mind a sidebar with her.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:05 PM (GsAUU)

144

Hollywood and the MFM should be treated like Livia did a group of gladiators in I, Claudius when she tells them:


You're all scum and you know it. But you have a chance here, some of you, to prove that you're a bit more than that....But, I want a good show. I want my money's worth.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 08:05 PM (SiINZ)

145
off neck goiter sock

Posted by: otho at December 15, 2017 08:05 PM (qGuLD)

146 133 Did Bambi's mom use that much eye makeup?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 08:02 PM (IqV8l)

---------

If she had I probably wouldn't have shot her.

Posted by: The Hunter at December 15, 2017 08:06 PM (gC2IV)

147
Here's what my local paper thinks about Net Neutrality:

Is that another USA Today/Gannett paper?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 08:06 PM (IqV8l)

148 >>--I wouldn't mind a sidebar with her.


...with the hope that she'd secure permission to treat me as a hostile witness.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 08:06 PM (8bEU0)

149 Here's what my local paper thinks about Net Neutrality:

"Protests have erupted online and in the streets as everyday Americans worry that cable and phone companies will be able to control what they see and do online."

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 08:03 PM (3myMJ)


I don't get it, I have always for a specific (max) download and upload speed. Wasn't NN to make it illegal to pay extra for more bandwidth?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 08:06 PM (Eu5eZ)

150 Tcn in ak, you're probably right. Much easier to wear the problem for a few hours and then put it away.

Posted by: QuintAmpersandJessel at December 15, 2017 08:07 PM (t2v3w)

151 Ok, I have a confession. I have somehow managed to go my entire adult life without touching a woman who didn't want to be touched. I blame my parents for my upbringing.

I'm a good Mormon boy. I saved myself for marriage. The world laughs at that old fashioned mindset. I know it's not my way vs Hoffman's way. Still, it seems to me the people who have been shaping the world's attitudes RE sex (Hollywood), are turning out to be monsters. Ever sit back and wonder how much of their viral mental filth has trained your attitudes?

Posted by: bonhomme at December 15, 2017 08:07 PM (zGsgt)

152 Joe DiGenova, preachin' it!

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:07 PM (GsAUU)

153 You know what the weirdest impact of all these stories?

They make Tom Cruise look normal. Even admirable. He may be on intense motherfucker, but he makes an effort on the set to be extremely nice to everyone, and he never, ever, finger-bangs them.

Posted by: Uma Thurmond's Feet at December 15, 2017 08:08 PM (IcCil)

154 worry that cable and phone companies will be able to control what they see and do online."

Unlike, say, facetwitpage, twatter, google, netflix...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 08:08 PM (MINbv)

155 George Lucas, you like "Battlefield Earth?" Well, you're just plain crazy...

Posted by: QuintAmpersandJessel at December 15, 2017 08:09 PM (t2v3w)

156 An Entire Family Now Identifies As Transgender

https://tinyurl.com/y8o9pnpl
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 07:10 PM (IqV8l)



The family that crossdresses together stays in the loony bin together

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 08:09 PM (SiINZ)

157 Alabaster Jones was the white pimp in King of the Hill right?

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:09 PM (LiyEm)

158 Counselor, whack my pee-pee!

Posted by: Here come da judge at December 15, 2017 08:09 PM (Tyii7)

159 Posted by: Uma Thurmond's Feet at December 15, 2017 08:08 PM (IcCil)

I don't think the women actresses have anything to worry about.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 08:09 PM (2DOZq)

160 Wasn't NN to make it illegal to pay extra for more bandwidth"

Nope.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 08:09 PM (MINbv)

161 They make Tom Cruise look normal"

Yikes.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 08:10 PM (MINbv)

162 157 Alabaster Jones was the white pimp in King of the Hill right?
Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:09 PM (LiyEm)

He was the pimp from OKC. Voiced by Snoop Dog.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 08:10 PM (2DOZq)

163 Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 08:06 PM (Eu5eZ)

The NN lovers are even claiming there will be more govt control. Totally backwards on everything.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 08:10 PM (3myMJ)

164 Did Bambi's mom use that much eye makeup?

Yep. Eveyone thought she was a whore.

Posted by: Thumper
---
So Bambi's mom walks out of the forest limping and says:

That's the last time I'm doing THAT for two bucks!

HeyOhhhhhhhh!

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2017 08:11 PM (tr2D7)

165 I'm sorry but the schadenboner is huge, hard, and happy.

Every one of those sanctimonious Pervywood fucks can hang AFAIC.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 15, 2017 08:11 PM (3BFzK)

166 At Chick-fil A about to get my h8 grub on!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 08:11 PM (dQOuX)

167 I can't stop grinning when Tucker has "Tainted Probes" posted.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:12 PM (GsAUU)

168 So Bambi's mom walks out of the forest limping and says:

That's the last time I'm doing THAT for two bucks!

HeyOhhhhhhhh!
Posted by: Tonypete



*snort

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 08:12 PM (dQOuX)

169 >> I can't stop grinning when Tucker has "Tainted Probes" posted.


Horde Mind - High Five

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 08:12 PM (8bEU0)

170 I had the misfortune of seeing a picture of Chuck Schumer today. He's
either a pervert or his face is a liar. Very punchable face.

Posted by: Northernlurker

Seriously. He looks and sounds like a Jewish caricature the Nazis might have used.
Posted by: pep at December 15, 2017 07:18 PM (LAe3v)

Or a Kapo.

Posted by: 1921 C DRUM at December 15, 2017 08:13 PM (h7sWp)

171 166 At Chick-fil A about to get my h8 grub on!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 08:11 PM (dQOuX)

--[envious]

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:13 PM (GsAUU)

172 Why are deer nuts so cheap?

Because they are always found under a buck.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 08:13 PM (dQOuX)

173 All I know is that goading the Left into protesting is always good. It has no effect other than annoying normal people in cities and hardening attitudes against whatever the Left wants.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 08:13 PM (3myMJ)

174

The illegal immigrant charged with felony possession of a firearm instead of the murder of Kate Steinle is now seeking to have his felony possession charges thrown out.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 08:13 PM (IqV8l)

175 George Lucas, you like "Battlefield Earth?" Well, you're just plain crazy...


Posted by: QuintAmpersandJessel at December 15, 2017 08:09 PM


I love big budget bad movies. Ishtar and Cut Throat Island aren't bad movies really. They're more in the "what the fuck were they thinking" basket.

Posted by: otho at December 15, 2017 08:14 PM (qGuLD)

176 The NN lovers are even claiming there will be more govt control"

I ask those twits if they really want people who describe the interwebz as "a series of tubes" writing controlling legislation.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 08:15 PM (MINbv)

177 George Lucas, you like "Battlefield Earth?" Well, you're just plain crazy...


Posted by: QuintAmpersandJessel at December 15, 2017 08:09 PM



Battlefield Earth is every bit as good as Manos The Hands of Fate. Well maybe not that good

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 08:16 PM (SiINZ)

178 Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 08:15 PM (MINbv)

They are all insane and I never engage them except to mock them on the net.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 08:16 PM (3myMJ)

179 *Star Wars spoiler*


Princess Leia dies. Will be her last movie.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 08:16 PM (dQOuX)

180 The illegal immigrant charged with felony possession of a firearm instead of the murder of Kate Steinle is now seeking to have his felony possession charges thrown out.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 08:13 PM (IqV8l)

--As if I could not be more furious about the case . . .

I still say "accidentally" drop him off at a prison with a lot of Aryan Nation.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:16 PM (GsAUU)

181 By "them" I mean Leftys in general.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 08:16 PM (3myMJ)

182 172 Why are deer nuts so cheap?

Because they are always found under a buck.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 08:13 PM (dQOuX)

--[Fozzy Bear laugh]

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:17 PM (GsAUU)

183 Renowned surgeon burned his initials into a patients liver...

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/283378/

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:17 PM (LiyEm)

184 who is this tool on tucker now?

Posted by: vivi at December 15, 2017 08:17 PM (11H2y)

185 I have to admit I didn't think Battlefield Earth was as bad as the meme. It is a hundred times better than Starship Troopers.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 08:17 PM (2DOZq)

186 And these people have been preaching "morality" to me for decades ? While acting like this ? They regard me as deplorable ?
Everybody knew, but nobody did nothin' ? Just keep those million dollar paychecks coming.

I left disgusted behind a long ways back. They didn't come up with a word yet for how I feel about this.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 15, 2017 08:17 PM (XvTYo)

187 I'm watching The Disaster Artist. Starting to admire Tommy Wiseau in a weird way... almost like he's a rebuke to the Hollywood Way.

Weird.

Also it's funny as fuck.

Posted by: Sporkatus at December 15, 2017 08:18 PM (XyGQR)

188 184 who is this tool on tucker now?
Posted by: vivi at December 15, 2017 08:17 PM (11H2y)

--You couls ask that every night, LMAO.

Chyron says former Hillary adviser

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:18 PM (GsAUU)

189 Princess Leia dies. Will be her last movie."

Oh noes! Spoiler alert!

Snort

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 08:19 PM (MINbv)

190 I actually read Battlefield Earth,at the time I had no idea L.Ron zHubbard created a nutty religion though I did know about Dianetics.My dadactually bought a copy of Dianetics and I asked him what it was about,he said something like "I didn't understand a word..."

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:19 PM (LiyEm)

191 thx logprof. thread winner!

Posted by: vivi at December 15, 2017 08:19 PM (11H2y)

192 Princess Leia dies. Will be her last movie.

Don't be too sure about that. They re-animated Grand Moff Tarkin for "Rouge One".

Posted by: Blanco Basura - It's OK, I'm with the banned at December 15, 2017 08:19 PM (IcT7t)

193 The illegal immigrant charged with felony possession of a firearm instead of the murder of Kate Steinle is now seeking to have his felony possession charges thrown out.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot,
*************************

Even if it was laying there on the pier:

He he picked up the gun -
He put his finger on the trigger
He pulled the trigger
He murdered the girl

Posted by: gNewt at December 15, 2017 08:19 PM (ORnFV)

194 Battlefield Earth is every bit as good as Manos The Hands of Fate. Well maybe not that good


Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 08:16 PM


Manos is hard to top. Maybe impossible. You'd have to work really hard to do it intentionally and if you did, what's the point?

Posted by: otho at December 15, 2017 08:20 PM (qGuLD)

195 It is difficult to accept that any seventeen year old drama student is innocent.

Posted by: gNewt at December 15, 2017 08:20 PM (ORnFV)

196 I left disgusted behind a long ways back"

I guess it's an age thing, as I've pretty much always thought "hey, they're actors, thus not real"

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 08:21 PM (MINbv)

197 ""Ok, I have a confession. I have somehow managed to go my entire adult life without touching a woman who didn't want to be touched. I blame my parents for my upbringing.""



As crazy and debaucherous as things could get in my life I never did either. I just don't roll that way.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 08:21 PM (aMlLZ)

198 175 I love big budget bad movies. Ishtar and Cut Throat
Island aren't bad movies really. They're more in the "what the fuck were
they thinking" basket.

Posted by: otho


Never seen either one. I have seen Waterworld, and find it bad but kinda funny.

Besides, I think it mirrors the reality of Mitch McConnell having gills; his are hidden in his ample neck folds. Mutie! Mutie!

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 15, 2017 08:21 PM (0ogQG)

199 Even if it was laying there on the pier:

He he picked up the gun -
He put his finger on the trigger
He pulled the trigger
He murdered the girl
Posted by: gNewt at December 15, 2017 08:19 PM (ORnFV)

--I blame the prosecution as well. If the asshole judge would not let the jury handle a Sig Sauer, they should have called an expert witness to explain it.

It suspiciously looks like they *tried* to fail.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:22 PM (GsAUU)

200 "Rouge One"

Is that the one with America's next top model?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 08:22 PM (MINbv)

201 Oh fuck you, Rahm.

Fuck.

You.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:22 PM (GsAUU)

202
Manos is hard to top. Maybe impossible. You'd have to work really hard to do it intentionally and if you did, what's the point?
Posted by: otho at December 15, 2017 08:20 PM (qGuLD)
-------
I have two words for you - Cookbook: The Movie.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 08:23 PM (Sfs6o)

203 Sophia Loren had a 'heated affair' with Cary Grant?

I thought he was gay.

Of course, Sophia Loren might have been an instant cure...

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 08:23 PM (3myMJ)

204 Manos is no Plan 9 from Outer Space...

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:23 PM (LiyEm)

205 Do you think that the expose of Lisa Bloom attempting to get six figure payouts (for which she gets a third) for woman to come forward as accusers of sexual misconduct help Pres. Trump if any more females come forward? Will it make the public (the ones with thinking brains) that the woman is being paid big bucks?

Posted by: arieswoman at December 15, 2017 08:24 PM (fwWWI)

206 149
I don't get it, I have always for a specific (max) download and upload speed. Wasn't NN to make it illegal to pay extra for more bandwidth?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 08:06 PM (Eu5eZ)


Exactly. It means that people who use less bandwidth subsidize those who use more bandwidth.

Just as people who work for a living subsidize those who don't.

No wonder the Left is so passionate about it.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 08:24 PM (sdi6R)

207 >>Sophia Loren had a 'heated affair' with Cary Grant?

>I thought he was gay.


No man is THAT gay.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 08:24 PM (8bEU0)

208 Ugh, and now Frank Hernandez

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:24 PM (GsAUU)

209 Sophia Loren had a 'heated affair' with Cary Grant?

I thought he was gay.

Of course, Sophia Loren might have been an instant cure...
Posted by: Meremortal



Perfect beard material.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 08:25 PM (GjTLE)

210 Never seen either one. I have seen Waterworld, and find it bad but kinda funny.

Besides, I think it mirrors the reality of Mitch McConnell having gills; his are hidden in his ample neck folds. Mutie! Mutie!


Posted by: GnuBreed at December 15, 2017 08:21 PM


Waterworld is great. But I feel that is due to Dennis Hopper. Take out Dennis Hopper and it's just a big budget lame movie. Not a bad movie though. Another "WTF were they thinking" one.

Posted by: otho at December 15, 2017 08:25 PM (qGuLD)

211 Oh fuck you, Rahm.

Fuck.

You.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:22 PM (GsAUU)


With a barb wire wrapped grenade...sideways.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 08:25 PM (aMlLZ)

212 Teſt:

ſexual congreſ...

Jennifer Lawrence has really saggy tits...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at December 15, 2017 08:25 PM (e9G8E)

213 Ishtar, Cutthroat Island and Battlefield Earth are all mock-worthy shit.

I, too, have never fondled a woman without her permiso.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 08:25 PM (7JbXq)

214 Cary Grant and Randolph Scott lived together and there was talk at the time they were gay.Others however commented on the large numbers of hot broads that visited the house....

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:26 PM (LiyEm)

215 Manos is no Plan 9 from Outer Space...

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:23 PM (LiyEm)



Plan 9 from Outer Space is no Space Mutiny

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 08:27 PM (SiINZ)

216 187 I'm watching The Disaster Artist. Starting to admire Tommy Wiseau in a weird way... almost like he's a rebuke to the Hollywood Way.

Weird.

Also it's funny as fuck.
Posted by: Sporkatus at December 15, 2017 08:18 PM (XyGQR)
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He's like Ed Wood with half the talent and ten times the money. I had to admire his determination to see his vision come to life on the big screen.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 08:27 PM (qJtVm)

217 Jeanne Tripplehorn is one of my faves.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 08:27 PM (7JbXq)

218
Waterworld is great. But I feel that is due to Dennis Hopper. Take out Dennis Hopper and it's just a big budget lame movie. Not a bad movie though. Another "WTF were they thinking" one.
Posted by: otho at December 15, 2017 08:25 PM (qGuLD)

--He pretty much stole the show in The River's Edge as well.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:28 PM (GsAUU)

219 >>>The illegal immigrant charged with felony possession of a firearm
instead of the murder of Kate Steinle is now seeking to have his felony
possession charges thrown out.<<<

Who gave this piece of shit any rights at all? He should be marched to the end of the pier, shot in the back of the head as an invading enemy, foreign national combatant, and kicked off of the pier to the hungry school of fishes below.

Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2017 08:28 PM (A1FgP)

220 Errr, ſexual congreſs!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at December 15, 2017 08:28 PM (e9G8E)

221 "I guess it's an age thing, as I've pretty much always thought "hey, they're actors, thus not real"
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 08:21 PM (MINbv)"


If they were content to just stay actors and stfu, well, ok, then I could regard it that way, but (like I said) they're coming into my world, the real one, and telling me how I should live and what I should do and think.
That breaks the implied contract, for me.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 15, 2017 08:28 PM (XvTYo)

222 Plan 9 from Outer Space is no Space Mutiny
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 08:27 PM (SiINZ)

Space Mutiny is no Prince of Space:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbFjxNTzzgI

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 08:28 PM (qJtVm)

223 Every time Tucker finishes an interview with Hernandez I feel like taking a shower, he's so slimy.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:28 PM (GsAUU)

224 206,
Nope. A popular misconception.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 08:29 PM (MINbv)

225 I thought "Easy Rider" had a happy ending.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 08:29 PM (7JbXq)

226 Weasel, I am planning to use Break Free CLP for the Ruger AR. Everyone has a different idea on what to use from Hoppes to Mobil 1 synthetic oil. Break Free seems to get more recommendations than most. Any opinion on what to use?
Posted by: JTB at December 15, 2017 07:41 PM (V+03K)

I'll add $0.02 FWIW. I've used CLP Breakfree on M-16s, M2 "fiftys," ARs and everything else (with a little Ballistol and 1940s cancer rifle cleaner thrown in here and there) since 1985. I use it on non firearm applications all the time like the gate latch.

There are plenty that are likely as good for the most part, a few likely better, but it's always worked for me.

Posted by: Keith at December 15, 2017 08:29 PM (USf3s)

227 Waterworld with the stupid environmentalist angle..

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:29 PM (LiyEm)

228 >>>The illegal immigrant charged with felony possession of a firearm
instead of the murder of Kate Steinle is now seeking to have his felony
possession charges thrown out.

Who gave this piece of shit any rights at all? He should be marched to the end of the pier, shot in the back of the head as an invading enemy, foreign national combatant, and kicked off of the pier to the hungry school of fishes below.



Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2017 08:28 PM (A1FgP)


Totally this.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 08:29 PM (aMlLZ)

229 Manos is no Plan 9 from Outer Space...


Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:23 PM


Plan 9 is spectacularly bad. But, Wood at least knew what he was doing and it shows. It's incompetent, but Wood actually some talent. Manos... well, that is a movie made by someone who had not one clue and zero talent. It's jaw dropping bad.

Posted by: otho at December 15, 2017 08:30 PM (qGuLD)

230 Who gave this piece of shit any rights at all? He should be marched to the end of the pier, shot in the back of the head as an invading enemy, foreign national combatant, and kicked off of the pier to the hungry school of fishes below.

Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2017 08:28 PM (A1FgP)

--No, feed his cadaver to sea lions.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:30 PM (GsAUU)

231
Every time Tucker finishes an interview with Hernandez I feel like taking a shower, he's so slimy.
Posted by: logprof


He made my blood pressure monitor klaxon horn go off.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 08:30 PM (IqV8l)

232 Sophia Loren had a 'heated affair' with Cary Grant?

I thought he was gay.

Of course, Sophia Loren might have been an instant cure...

Posted by: Meremortal,
**************************

There's supposed to be a picture, in a cottage kitchen, of Cary Grant in a pink apron (only) serving Gary Cooper sitting at the breakfast table.

On the other hand, among other things, Dyan Cannon said he f***** like a snake.

Posted by: gNewt at December 15, 2017 08:30 PM (ORnFV)

233 Gary Grant was married to Dyan Cannon who I always thought was sexy. Great laugh. They had a daughter who wasn't bad looking.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 08:31 PM (2DOZq)

234 Sooo....why was Dustin Hoffman staying in a hotel in NYC where he had a house with his wife and daughter. That story makes no reasonable sense.

Posted by: Sandy at December 15, 2017 08:31 PM (TTS7f)

235 Here's Thomas' story. Does this remind you of anyone else's MO?
---
Roy Moore?

Posted by: Unbelievable leftists at December 15, 2017 08:31 PM (JhE5a)

236 The best part of Waterworld was incorporating the drowned world into the Universal logo at the beginning.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 08:31 PM (qJtVm)

237 Dyan Cannon had a body made for....things....

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:32 PM (LiyEm)

238 Now, with my diſcovery of the 'long s' key, I can really get my ſpelling game on!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at December 15, 2017 08:32 PM (e9G8E)

239 He made my blood pressure monitor klaxon horn go off.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 08:30 PM (IqV8l)
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I fast-forwarded through it. I can't take Francisco.

Posted by: Axeman at December 15, 2017 08:33 PM (JhE5a)

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at December 15, 2017 08:33 PM (e9G8E)

241 Manos... well, that is a movie made by someone who had not one clue and zero talent. It's jaw dropping bad.
Posted by: otho at December 15, 2017 08:30 PM (qGuLD)
---

As they said in the MST3K riff, "Filmed in Zaprudervision!"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 08:33 PM (qJtVm)

242 Sooo....why was Dustin Hoffman staying in a hotel in NYC where he had a
house with his wife and daughter. That story makes no reasonable sense.


Hotel beds have that Magic Fingers machine.

Posted by: Here come da judge at December 15, 2017 08:33 PM (Tyii7)

243 Heh, "Perverts of the Caribbean"

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:33 PM (GsAUU)

244 Everybody lean the other way

Posted by: Axeman at December 15, 2017 08:33 PM (JhE5a)

245 And my barrel game, too, it seems...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at December 15, 2017 08:34 PM (e9G8E)

246 --He pretty much stole the show in The River's Edge as well.


Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 08:28 PM


Good movie. Hopper has a habit of stealing movies.

Posted by: otho at December 15, 2017 08:34 PM (qGuLD)

247
Hotel beds have that Magic Fingers machine.

Feelin' good!

I knew you would!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 08:35 PM (IqV8l)

248 Dyan Cannon is the best looking 80 year old I know.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 08:35 PM (2DOZq)

249 226 Weasel, I am planning to use Break Free CLP for the Ruger AR. Everyone has a different idea on what to use from Hoppes to Mobil 1 synthetic oil. Break Free seems to get more recommendations than most. Any opinion on what to use?
Posted by: JTB at December 15, 2017 07:41 PM (V+03K)

I'll add $0.02 FWIW. I've used CLP Breakfree on M-16s, M2 "fiftys," ARs and everything else (with a little Ballistol and 1940s cancer rifle cleaner thrown in here and there) since 1985. I use it on non firearm applications all the time like the gate latch.

There are plenty that are likely as good for the most part, a few likely better, but it's always worked for me.
Posted by: Keith at December 15, 2017 08:29 PM (USf3s)
----------
Truth be told JTB, I just grab whatever is handy in the bench. For cleaning I'm more,likely to use something like CLP, Hoppes or Ballistol. For lubing I use Mobil1 or grease. I really don't think you can go wrong with any of them.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 08:36 PM (Sfs6o)

250 You know my father always said Dustin Hoffman was a bit of a freak.

Posted by: Matt Lauer's Executive Chair at December 15, 2017 08:36 PM (3zalQ)

251 Plan 9 from Outer Space is no Space Mutiny


Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 08:27 PM


Space Mutiny is no Robot Monster. Seriously check out Robot Monster. It's a shocker that doesn't get the love it deserves.

Posted by: otho at December 15, 2017 08:37 PM (qGuLD)

252 251 The gorilla suit with the diving helmet??

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:38 PM (LiyEm)

253 I think we were all sexually assaulted by Ishtar.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 08:38 PM (4ErVI)

254 Manos... well, that is a movie made by someone who had not one clue and zero talent. It's jaw dropping bad.

Posted by: otho at December 15, 2017 08:30 PM (qGuLD)



Are trying to suggest that Harold P Warren, film maker and fertilizer salesman didn't know how to make a movie?!?!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 08:38 PM (SiINZ)

255 Something about little big man.

Posted by: Matt Lauer's Executive Chair at December 15, 2017 08:38 PM (3zalQ)

256 I think we were all sexually assaulted by Ishtar.


Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 08:38 PM


LOL!

Posted by: otho at December 15, 2017 08:38 PM (qGuLD)

257 Wow, turning off javascript is essential again for this site. Something has kicked in this week (Son of Sonobi?) that really hangs things.

Posted by: t-bird at December 15, 2017 08:38 PM (vCN/y)

258 234 Sooo....why was Dustin Hoffman staying in a hotel in NYC where he had a house with his wife and daughter. That story makes no reasonable sense.
Posted by: Sandy at December 15, 2017 08:31 PM (TTS7f)


He and his wife were getting divorced.

Posted by: stace at December 15, 2017 08:39 PM (6HFDU)

259 Time to head for the annual volunteer firefighters dinner. They'll run down the year, explaining how they cover 224 square miles, fires, car wrecks, mountain rescues, etc. with about a $125k annual budget.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 08:39 PM (3myMJ)

260 film maker and fertilizer "

Harv?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 08:39 PM (MINbv)

261 249 226 Weasel, I am planning to use Break Free CLP for the Ruger AR. Everyone has a different idea on what to use from Hoppes to Mobil 1 synthetic oil. Break Free seems to get more recommendations than most. Any opinion on what to use?
Posted by: JTB at December 15, 2017 07:41 PM (V+03K)

I'll add $0.02 FWIW. I've used CLP Breakfree on M-16s, M2 "fiftys," ARs and everything else (with a little Ballistol and 1940s cancer rifle cleaner thrown in here and there) since 1985. I use it on non firearm applications all the time like the gate latch.

There are plenty that are likely as good for the most part, a few likely better, but it's always worked for me.
Posted by: Keith at December 15, 2017 08:29 PM (USf3s)
----------
Truth be told JTB, I just grab whatever is handy in the bench. For cleaning I'm more,likely to use something like CLP, Hoppes or Ballistol. For lubing I use Mobil1 or grease. I really don't think you can go wrong with any of them.
Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 08:36 PM (Sfs6o)

I know this is Weasel's but just to add my .22 cents...

You can't go wrong with CLP. I use Hoppes for stubborn buildups and CLP for everything else.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2017 08:39 PM (xJa6I)

262 I've never seen Ishtar,I confess to having some morbid curiosity...

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 08:39 PM (LiyEm)

263 Angie Dickinson's not looking too shabby, now at 86...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at December 15, 2017 08:39 PM (e9G8E)

264 I love a parade.

Posted by: Harvey W. at December 15, 2017 08:39 PM (Tyii7)

FriGAINZZZ!!!

Minor updates on my end. Which I'd like to hear some advice about.

I'm continuing Stronglifts 5x5, occasionally doing 3x5 on squats because they make my knees ache. In terms of how I look, I'm happy with the program. I'm seeing incremental results.

However, I'm not really progressing very quickly at all on actual strength GAINZZZ. I keep plateauing, or even going backwards, on squats (though I had a strained medius glute muscle partly responsible for that -- foam rolling and deep tissue release with a lacrosse ball helped a lot), and I have barely budged at all -- at all -- on overhead presses.

I'm making slow-but-steady GAINZZZ on the bench, deadlift, and a very modified partial-movement pendlay-style row I switched to because I don't know how to control my form on the real pendlay row, and I don't want to snap up my back.

On these, I'm making GAINZZZ a heck of lot slower than I expected, or that the "add 5 or ten pounds per session" protocol suggested I'd make them.

But squats I frequently get stuck on one weight on, and overhead presses? Honestly, I am barely overhead pressing five or ten pounds more than I started at.

I mean, damn, it's embarrassing. I don't think I can answer the age-old question "Bro, do you even lift?" in the affirmative.

I know that's the lift people usually have the most trouble improving, but... I mean, five or six months, I would expect to be putting up more than five or ten pounds than my starting weight.

As a wise man said, many of us struggled with serious insecurities, like if we'll ever be able to put up two plates.

I guessed maybe I wasn't getting enough protein for GAINZZZ so I've jacked that up but I haven't been doing high-protein long enough to know if that's fixed things. I do microloading and such but still. No real GAINZZZ. (Though maybe I have to invest in an even smaller microload set.)

Anyone got any suggestions? I was thinking of maybe alternating high-volume sessions with higher-weight sessions to try to try to hit these muscles a different way. I've also been thinking about trying to do some kind of overhead press every day -- maybe try overtraining -- but I don't know about that. I really don't know if I could take it, endurance and recovery-wise. Three days a week (often just two) is already kicking my ass.

I've also thought about just ditching the bench for now to work only on overhead presses and the incline bench press (which may assist with the overhead press) and maybe tricep isolation stuff, but I don't know.

I'm looking for some GAINZZZ in advice here. I think someone mentioned pyramiding, but what kind -- going upwards in weight or downwards?

BTW, I've been doing high rack pulls to work my traps, and they seem to work pretty well. I think those might be my favorite.

Oh, and this is amusing: When Christopher Reeve was cast as Superman, he was 6' 5" but only 170 pounds -- a "beanpole" and "skinny little kid" as director Dick Donner described him. But he claimed that he was previously a jock and could gain muscle quickly. Dick Donner took a chance that he could, and hired, as Reeve's strength coach, Darth Vader.

No seriously, Dave Prowse was a bodybuilder and was called in to help Reeves bulk up in only six weeks.

This just makes me further frustrated, as, allegedly, without steroids, Reeve gained forty two pounds of muscle in six weeks, going from 170 to 212, which does not sound at all possible to me. (I always read that 2 pounds per week is the most someone can gain.)

Anyway. Maybe a little exaggerated as to how skinny he was at first and how much he weighed at the end. But still -- that is... a lot.

So: Tell me about yo GAINZZZZZ.

PS, I know most people don't care about these threads, so I'll put up another thread shortly after this one. However, do consider this one "live," even though there'll be another thread above it in a bit.

Posted by: Ace at 06:39 PM




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1 First!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at December 15, 2017 06:38 PM (e9G8E)

2 Thirst!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at December 15, 2017 06:40 PM (e9G8E)

3 Twost!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (e9G8E)

4 I'm 72 doing a dozen 12oz curls, man this ain't easy.

Posted by: RiverRat1297 at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (HZpWR)

5 Neugenix -


Your bitch will love it.

Posted by: Frank Thomas at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (8bEU0)

6 Forced!

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (e9G8E)

7 Good buzz for me is rope skipping, to get heart rate up. Mixing crunches, push ups, and chin ups. then some hack squats withe 3x50 reps. Then run or elliptical.

Posted by: redenzo at December 15, 2017 06:42 PM (5wSNN)

8 ipa's go down easier

Posted by: redenzo at December 15, 2017 06:42 PM (5wSNN)

9 I started working a somewhat physical job (on my feet for about 5 hours). The hours also run through lunch. So, I've cut my caloric intake a lot. I haven't been able to make it to the gym with any regularity. I know I've lost some strength, but my cardio seems to be holding steady, and I've lost about 5 lbs. Not too shabby. I'm about to break into the next ten pound range I need to lose.

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 06:43 PM (eIQHF)

10 Reeves was likely a lot younger than 29, Ace.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:43 PM (4ErVI)

11 >>.10 Reeves was likely a lot younger than 29, Ace.

sure, there is that.

still.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 06:43 PM (8rNrN)

12 6'5", 170 pounds..... he must have been on the North Korea diet....

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 06:44 PM (zSVEm)

13 Do something.

Ride a bike. Climb a mountain. Build a wall.

Lifting wieghts is pointless.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:44 PM (8bEU0)

14 ace I am just guessing but if you have done any other resistance training in the past, even body weight exercises than I doubt you will add 5 to 10 pounds per session, that's for untrained noobs who are very weak starting out.

Posted by: Max Power at December 15, 2017 06:44 PM (q177U)

15 I got over 10 hours of sleep the other day. Gainz!

Posted by: Chris M at December 15, 2017 06:45 PM (7PQMw)

16 Plateaus are a bitch. I don't really have any secret knowledge for overcoming them. In my case, I've found that switching up the lift for the muscle group or taking a little extra rest for them can help.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:45 PM (NWiLs)

17 Work a heavy bag with the face of that fat fucking slob Karl Rove. I had to change the channel last night when his huge blubbery mug showed up!

Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front at December 15, 2017 06:45 PM (2X7pN)

18 Good questions about GAINZZ, ace. We all react somewhat differently to weight regimens is the problem, but I have had decent results with pyramid-down. I'll take the bench press up to where I can only do one rep, take off a couple of pounds, and repeat until the reps start to build beyond 4.

Got more but I'll stop so as not to have a book here.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 06:45 PM (3myMJ)

19 >>>ace I am just guessing but if you have done any other resistance training in the past, even body weight exercises than I doubt you will add 5 to 10 pounds per session, that's for untrained noobs who are very weak starting out.

nah not for years and years. Decades.

Also, I barely did overhead presses (I basically only used to do bench and curls -- what a cliche, huh), so my overhead press, being as n00b as n00b can be, really ought to be having the best GAINZZZ.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 06:46 PM (8rNrN)

20 Ace sometimes its good to just totally change up you workout. Try something new. It will give you news goals, and new energy. Don't let you body and psych get into a rut.

Posted by: redenzo at December 15, 2017 06:46 PM (5wSNN)

21 I read somewhere that studies showed that being 10% over ideal actuarial weight greatly improved ones ability to weather infections and disease episodes in general... I cling to those types of studies...

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 06:46 PM (zSVEm)

22 Thanks to the moron who gave me the DMSO recipe and tips!

Achilles is doing well after using the stuff and I stretch it now 2 or 3 times a day and I can run a few miles every other day and all feels much better.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 15, 2017 06:47 PM (EoRCO)

23 I've gained about 5 pounds in my ass and abs since thanksgiving...GAINZ!!! Oh, not those types of gainz....

Posted by: lin-duh at December 15, 2017 06:47 PM (kufk0)

24 Got more but I'll stop so as not to have a book here.

Have you ever done a reverse pyramid routine? I've recently had that suggested to me for better strength gains.

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 06:48 PM (eIQHF)

25 You could also try not being such a lazy lover.

Posted by: Marco Rubio's Garbage at December 15, 2017 06:48 PM (8bEU0)

26 By the by, you can special order 1 pound plates.

Posted by: Max Power at December 15, 2017 06:48 PM (q177U)

27 I don't have access to a gym, but I have some free weights. I do whatever exercises I can to failure, do push-ups, ab work, hit my heavy bag. It's not ideal but I have gotten stronger and my waistline and general physique have improved, although my weight has been basically static.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:48 PM (NWiLs)

28 Never mind, Meremortal. That is exactly what you described.

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 06:49 PM (eIQHF)

29 I did a week of kick boxing a couple of months ago. I had a knee turn sore and it's still sore. Enjoyed the course though.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 06:49 PM (Xx7dP)

30 >>>Have you ever done a reverse pyramid routine? I've recently had that suggested to me for better strength gains.

no, i saw there was a pyramid routine and reverse pyramid and I don't know which I should try.

I don't know which is the pyramid and which the reverse pyramid -- by reverse pyramid, you mean declining weight?

basically I have been doing a kind of improvised declining pyramid for a while, when I can't hit the full 5x5, and maybe only hit 4 on the third set, I'll start pyramidding down and increasing the reps.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 06:50 PM (8rNrN)

31 >>>26 By the by, you can special order 1 pound plates.

i have the 1.25 pounds. I'm wondering if I have to buy .5 pounds.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 06:51 PM (8rNrN)

32
23 I've gained about 5 pounds in my ass and abs since thanksgiving...GAINZ!!! Oh, not those types of gainz....
Posted by: lin-duh at December 15, 2017 06:47 PM (kufk0)

Bubble butts are in.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 06:51 PM (Xx7dP)

33 I'm doing the sauna/swimming (50 degrees!) thing and I think that's a good T/HGH builder.

You get to be nearly 29, and your hormones start flagging. You might need to do something to kickstart them.

Also: broccoli sprouts

Posted by: moviegique at December 15, 2017 06:51 PM (7zeA4)

34 >>I'm wondering if I have to buy .5 pounds.


Just get a couple 1/4 punders from McDonalds and ask for 2 bags.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:52 PM (8bEU0)

35 by reverse pyramid, you mean declining weight?


Yes, you warm up, and your starting weight is the heaviest. I spoke with a trainer the other day about it, and he said it was a good way to gain lean mass. He managed to put on 20 pounds over a couple of months.

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 06:52 PM (eIQHF)

36 >>>Also: broccoli sprouts

I still have a bag and a half of those in the freezer, though I haven't been taking them (or making them). I'll re-try those.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 06:52 PM (8rNrN)

37 I went on vacation for Thanksgiving and GAAINZZZed 15 pounds.

I was raised as a "Clean Plate Club" boy since my parents grew up in with scarcity in Europe during and after WWII.

I'm OK with portion control at home, but eating breakfast, lunch and dinner out on vacay? Oy.

The good news is 10 are already gone, but that last 5 may take a while.

Posted by: Fritz (not Fritz) at December 15, 2017 06:52 PM (IIOyJ)

38 5x5 is really for young un's.

I (and many others older and wiser) have had tremendous luck with Jim Wendler's 5-3-1. It's slow progression, but slow progression adds up. And progression is what builds strength. I've had tremendous gains with it and everyone i've put on it has too. as long as you realize that it's SLOW. Trying to go too fast just sets you back. Plus the deload week is the key to everything. hard harder hardest just leads to hard harder broken. broken takes a long time to recover from when you aren't 18 anymore.

Because in 531 you're always working under your max, you're never really peaking and just continuing to add strength. And pretty soon you realize that you're warming up with what you used to max at. Give it a look.


Posted by: LoneCowboy at December 15, 2017 06:52 PM (vMm4q)

39 Pfft. I can gain 2 lbs overnight with a big bag of Cheetos.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 15, 2017 06:53 PM (M06hO)

40 Cover me, about to go watch Star Warbles the Last Yeti.

May the Schwartz be with you.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 15, 2017 06:53 PM (eN2PK)

41 >>>Because in 531 you're always working under your max, you're never really peaking and just continuing to add strength. And pretty soon you realize that you're warming up with what you used to max at. Give it a look.


i'm interested in 5-3-

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 06:53 PM (8rNrN)

42 I'm very intrigued by the non-exercise stuff. Not because I don't like working out, because I do. But you can't always, and as you get older the body gets less quick to adapt.

Posted by: moviegique at December 15, 2017 06:53 PM (7zeA4)

43 One last point, I made by far the most strength gains working out with a partner. Like it's not even close to working out by yourself, not even in the same ballpark. Two people can get way more motivated than one person alone.

Also, some people just have strange deficits in certain lifts. I could be going up in all my lifts for months and my bench press would stay the same for many months to a year.

Posted by: Max Power at December 15, 2017 06:54 PM (q177U)

44 sorry, I was trying to say, I'm interested in 5-3-1 however I've read that's what you do when you've advanced to the intermediate stage (that is, after 5x5 isn't working for you).

I know someone might say Dude, 5x5 ISN'T working for you anymore -- but it should be. It should work for a year or 18 months.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 06:54 PM (8rNrN)

45 Something to look into is the Starting Strength book / method by Mark Rippetoe.

Mark did a number of videos with The Art of Manliness a couple years back.

Mehdi's Stronglifts is essentially a rip-off of Mark, Reg Park, and a few others. I personally use the iPhone app and used iTunes store credits to purchase the expansion pack.

Posted by: bobby at December 15, 2017 06:54 PM (5mwOY)

46 This is really a bad time of year to talk about Gainzzz. Better to talk about gains. We've been grazing on goodies all week at my office. God only knows what it will be like next week.

Posted by: Tuna at December 15, 2017 06:55 PM (jm1YL)

47 238 Hmm. Blowing up on twitter right now, DOJ did not consult with the OIG before releasing the texts to Congress and the media.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 06:43 PM (/tuJf)

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Don't know if true or not but I kinda suspected that the IG would not release any information. I think old Straight Shooter Rod did what he did to fuck up the committee investigations

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 06:55 PM (3svUe)

48 >>>Reeve gained forty two pounds of muscle in six weeks, going from 170 to 212, which does not sound at all possible to me.<<<

I acquired about the same amount of non-muscle mass when I turned 29 years old, but now I'm shedding the bulk to get back to what I was 10 years ago. I'm beginning to feel like a spry 28 year old all over again.

Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2017 06:55 PM (A1FgP)

49 Isn't it bizarre that so far Nikki Haley has been pretty good, while Jeff Sessions has been a bust?

(Heh, almost literally a bust, since we're still waiting for him to move.)

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 06:56 PM (GsAUU)

50 As to Reeves weight gain. In 1982 I joined the Army at 5 foot 11 inches 120LB (yes 120 pounds) by the end of Basic Combat Training, 8 weeks later I weighed 189, that is 68 pound in 8 weeks or 8.5 pounds a week. My waist shrank an inch.

Posted by: Patrick B. at December 15, 2017 06:56 PM (I1v/X)

51 >>> Something to look into is the Starting Strength book / method by Mark Rippetoe.

Mark did a number of videos with The Art of Manliness a couple years back.


...

yeah, have the book, watched the videos. thought about trying the powerclean, but haven't dared that yet.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 06:56 PM (8rNrN)

52 Ettes don't try to get muscle gainzzz, just general strength and endurance so I have no advice. I have gotten up to 8-10 real, not knee push-ups and that is all. Its a decent improvement from not being able to do a real pushup at all but I'm never going to get on American Ninja or anything and I need to do my mini workouts more times per week.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at December 15, 2017 06:56 PM (eASYU)

53 Now, want to go for a new PR?

Let's say a bench PR. I assume you are plateau city. Bench every other day for 4 workouts. Slow down your positive rep some and your negative rep a lot. Make that negative a slow 5 count. Low reps, heavy weights.

Then, take 4 days off, warm up nicely but not too much and go for that PR.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 06:56 PM (3myMJ)

54 >>>Let's say a bench PR. I assume you are plateau city. Bench every other day for 4 workouts. Slow down your positive rep some and your negative rep a lot. Make that negative a slow 5 count. Low reps, heavy weights.

not on the bench, but I get the idea. I could try that on the overhead.

maybe I also need to start doing face-pulls and rear delt flys like every day or something. I think I have a weakness on the lockout part, which I think is probably partly due to rear delts.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 06:59 PM (8rNrN)

55 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 15, 2017 06:59 PM (KCxzN)

56 >>>53 Ettes don't try to get muscle gainzzz, just general strength and endurance so I have no advice. I have gotten up to 8-10 real, not knee push-ups and that is all. Its a decent improvement from not being able to do a real pushup at all but I'm never going to get on American Ninja or anything and I need to do my mini workouts more times per week.

i keep planning on adding in glute bridges. Ettes would probably like the yoga butt exercises.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 07:00 PM (8rNrN)

57 I have Ben having problems with sciatica (diagnosed by my wife, not a doctor).

Stretching helps but the thing that really makes a difference is push-ups.

Posted by: fluffy at December 15, 2017 07:00 PM (cHbmY)

58 Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 06:46 PM (zSVEm)

I swear that being overweight is healthier than being underweight. Especially if you are older and gained the weight later in life.

Ever see the old geezers thin as rails and look like skeletor?

That can't be healthy. And it is a fact that losing weight can be considered a sign of disease.

Not balloon man heavy with a big belly and butt just a little bit extra all over and some lower body fat so you don't look starved.

I figure I deserve it cause I got all this weight from stopping smoking. Cardio doc says not smoking and heavy better than thin and smoking for heart.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (M06hO)

59 maybe I'll also try adding in leg drive on some of these? I don't know. I haven't done push presses before.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (8rNrN)

60 Which I'd like to hear some advice about.

I'd advise you to start drinking heavily.
Never pick up anything you're not getting paid for.

I'm out.

Posted by: DaveA at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (FhXTo)

61 >>> I have Ben

I have been, stupid autocucumber.

Posted by: fluffy at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (cHbmY)

62 Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 06:48 PM (eIQHF)

For flat out strength (not ballooning size gains) try the slow negative reps.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (3myMJ)

63 My spine is crumbling. I hate you. It's not your fault, my problem, I'll deal with it.


Preserve your vertebrae.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (jVm2N)

64
I'm more into body sculpting v weight lifting. Lat pulldowns to make the upper body and shoulders more prominent. Lots of ab stuff to suck in the waist. Get the V shape. Ignore the scale, pay attention to the tape measure.

Personally everything looks good but the scale is telling me things I don't like. It's a bit of a mystery.

I've been on pretty damn low calorie diet (1/3rd of maintenance level calories) for a couple of weeks, and the mirror looks okay but the scale has not budged.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (ajiE5)

65 I have gotten up to 8-10 real, not knee push-ups and that is all

That's a tremendous improvement!

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 07:02 PM (eIQHF)

66 Try switching to dumbbell presses and work the stabilizing muscles a bit more. Also, and more important, dips! Particularly dips in a pike position. Two kitchen chairs with feet on the coffee table will do, and tricep kickbacks. some lateral deltoid raises wouldn't hurt.

If all else fails, get some of Leeann Tweeden's exercise shows. One arm will make gains anyway.

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at December 15, 2017 07:02 PM (tMFgx)

67 Deload your squats until you can consistently do 5x5 with good form. Get a set of fractional plates (.25's, .5's, .75's, 1's, etc. When you get to a sticking point where you fail @ 5x5, retry at same weight for next session, in the event of a second session failure, deload 5# and come up with fractional plates until you can make 5# increases. Figure out where you are failing in your squat (bottom, top etc), and with your safety pins set correctly, work that range as an assistance exercise- (much like rack pulls for DL.) Your knee pain may be because you are currently lifting too much for them, in which case deloading a lot and starting all over may help you strengthen them up.

Posted by: Zhytamyr at December 15, 2017 07:03 PM (WH93u)

68 >>>Stretching helps but the thing that really makes a difference is push-ups.

don't forget back exercises to balance out the chest development!

something like an inverted row (bar, like a heavy broomstick, across two chairs, hang underneath, feet on floor, row your body up till your chest hits the bar) is a good thing.

personally, I've had posture problems due to overdevelopment of pec muscles and non-development of back muscles. one of the things I like about this program is that i'm finally working back, and it's actually making it easier and more natural to stand straight.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 07:03 PM (8rNrN)

69 For flat out strength (not ballooning size gains) try the slow negative reps.

Yeah, I don't really have to worry about ballooning size gains. Pretty tough for us gals to get swole. I'm just looking to increase my strength.

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 07:04 PM (eIQHF)

70 here you go ace
since youre at a stand still you need to give your muscles a shock
I recommend instead of going higher in weight drop the weight by 10 and increase the reps for a week
go with a program of 15-20 3 times and switch to a different body part
then go heavy with heavy
I learned this when I worked with a SBU

Posted by: navycopjoe at December 15, 2017 07:04 PM (N6CVU)

71 Ace, what's your protein macro and how are you getting it? Are you getting enough non-carb calories, because if you're not that'll interfere with muscle building.

Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2017 07:05 PM (eO5CB)

72 Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 06:59 PM (8rNrN)

Great reminder on the rear delts, thanks! I've got an ouchy shoulder and have been skipping that kind of stuff, need to try those now with some light weights.

Change up all your routines with angles or different lifts that target the same areas. Plateaus are maddening, they are my curse.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 07:05 PM (3myMJ)

73 I'm not 100% sure what all you're trying to gain, but most people workout to look better naked. Srsly. If you want to get bigger, I think remembering exactly how weight training works: when you train a muscle to exhaustion, you are causing micro tears and trauma to the tissue you're working. Unless you have gobs of naturally or induced free flowing testosterone in your body (IOW, you're 1, you need complete and full recovery between workouts.
When are you most sore post workout? For me, it's the day after the day after. 48 hrs. My point: complete recovery is key. It takes longer than you think.
Also, more slow-twitch work. Most likely, everyone reading this needs less fat.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2017 07:05 PM (ty7RM)

74 Biggest endorsement of the tax bill yet? Michael Bloomberg hates it.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 07:05 PM (BoMuO)

75 >>>I've been on pretty damn low calorie diet (1/3rd of maintenance level calories) for a couple of weeks, and the mirror looks okay but the scale has not budged.

too low, I'm 99.99% sure.

if your calories are two low, your body will adjust by reducing activity levels and core temperature and stuff.

I don't do calorie restriction but I think the guidance is for 10% reduction of maintanance, or, at most, 20%.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 07:06 PM (8rNrN)

76 Well, I f'd that up.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2017 07:06 PM (ty7RM)

77 I have actually been skipping my physical workouts bc I am doing audio exercises for my cochlear implant (two months post activation on Monday). It's been slow, but my pure tone discrimination, vowel discrimination, and consonant discrimination are all improving. I still cannot tell the difference between "mee" and "nee" or "choo" and "joo", but hopefully that will come.

The implant is helping with some things, such as drums and other low frequency sounds (I have a reverse curve, meaning my loss is in the lower frequencies, not the upper. Very rare - something like 1/375000 live births), but I still can't manage big meetings at work without the hearing aid on the other ear.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at December 15, 2017 07:06 PM (JPRju)

78 Pull ups baby.

Makes your lats explode, builds strength and confidence.

Whether it's just 1 or 20 do them. Don't be embarrassed even if you just hang for 30 or 40 seconds or jump up to the bar and slowly let yourself down.

Do them for 10 minutes regardless of your type of workouts you do.

Eventually you will see the difference.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 15, 2017 07:07 PM (EoRCO)

79 "Pretty tough for us gals to get swole. I'm just looking to increase my strength."

Ah Ha. Fabuloso, as they say in Italia!

I bet the slow negatives work for you.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 07:08 PM (3myMJ)

80 Flexibility and joint health have become very important to me.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 07:08 PM (Xx7dP)

81 >>> Pull ups baby.

Makes your lats explode, builds strength and confidence.

Whether it's just 1 or 20 do them.

...

yeah I gotta start doing those again. I keep skipping them. Not for any good reason. Just because when I'm done with the weightwork, I feel like I've finished.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 07:08 PM (8rNrN)

82 if your calories are two low, your body will adjust by reducing activity levels and core temperature and stuff.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 07:06 PM (8rNrN)


That's kind of interesting. When I'm in a good weight area I sweat at night. I haven't been since I cut caloric intake.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 15, 2017 07:08 PM (ajiE5)

83 Eventually you will see the difference.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 15, 2017 07:07 PM (EoRCO)

Man I suck at those. I need the patience to do what you are saying. Work my way up.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 07:09 PM (3myMJ)

84 Try 5/3/1 Regimen

https://blackironbeast.com/5/3/1/calculator

Posted by: jonjo farrell at December 15, 2017 07:10 PM (2R3+J)

85 It's IMPERATIVE that 'ettes go for building or maintaining muscle mass as we get older.

I've done Rippetoe for a couple of years, and thank God I did because with the meds I'm on now i don't have the energy to exercise. I can still lift very objects though since I havent lost all of my gainzzz--yet. I'm still stronger than my husband, who refuses to work out and has allowed ALL of his muscle mass to atrophy.

Posted by: stace at December 15, 2017 07:10 PM (6HFDU)

86 I've been on pretty damn low calorie diet (1/3rd of maintenance level calories) for a couple of weeks, and the mirror looks okay but the scale has not budged.

Yikes. You're just going to lose muscle, including heart muscle. You're lowering your metabolism too.

Go to "scooby's workshop" dot com and get between your BMR and TdEE




Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2017 07:10 PM (eO5CB)

87 I've had some leisure time to get seriously buff.


Pretty good tan too, for late in the season.

Posted by: Cousin Beauregard at December 15, 2017 07:11 PM (zCyNd)

88 I wouldn't expect much out of the overhead work. A lot of really tiny, rarely--used muscles and mechanical disadvantage in play

Posted by: t-bird at December 15, 2017 07:11 PM (K0iLX)

89 yeah the Wendler 5-3-1 says it's for intermediate or advanced lifters. I am still a n00b.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 07:12 PM (8rNrN)

90 Ace, here's something that took a looooong time for me. I was doing burpees for my sins, and on one squat I accidentally went all the way down, past parallel, butt to ankles. (I'm way past 29. I give my age as Dirt, as in Older Than.) My left knee swelled up like a grapefruit. But the feeling of release was so exhilarating that as soon as the swelling went down I began to work on deep squats. It took well over a year but I can actually do them. There's no stress on my knees, just the front of my ankles at times.

My other gainzz brag came in my last physical when my doctor said I had the second highest good cholesterol she had come across in her practice. The first was a cross-fit instructor in his thirties.

And no, I'm not a gym rat. Just air squats and pushups. I have a pull bar, but it laughs at me.

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at December 15, 2017 07:12 PM (Kr0FZ)

91 I will break my ban only to kick Ace some tips:

BSG got banned?

What'd he do?

Posted by: bonhomme at December 15, 2017 07:12 PM (zGsgt)

92 I don't do calorie restriction but I think the guidance is for 10% reduction of maintanance, or, at most, 20%.



Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 07:06 PM (8rNrN)

Just between bmr and tdee. Don't have to restrict calories at all if you skip the sugars (including fructose and lactose), grains and starches.

Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2017 07:13 PM (eO5CB)

93 I haven't made the same kind of gains, but my chiropractor told me that my spine is holding adjustments better and I can finally go down to one adjustment a week. I was getting adjusted twice a week fore months. Since June I've gone from using Biofreeze 4 times a day to just once before bed. My carpal tunnel vanished and there have been other positive side effects that I never expected. Maybe in 2018 I'll finally start a real exercise routine.

Posted by: Aunt Luna at December 15, 2017 07:13 PM (Zd2ZF)

94 Not a weightlifter, but more reps to get to more weight?

Posted by: golfman at December 15, 2017 07:13 PM (nVcge)

95 wenda, yeah, I might have to go down lower. I hear that's easier on the knees.

>>>And no, I'm not a gym rat. Just air squats and pushups. I have a pull bar, but it laughs at me.

get a resistance band to hang from the bar which will reduce some of the weight you're lifting. Or, easier still, just get a stepladder and put a toe or two on it, and only use the feet to push the minimum necessary to allow the pull-up.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 07:14 PM (8rNrN)

96 Having a partner helps a ton. Trainer now and then works too.
Try using a squat machine (still with spotter) and warm up and then go way heavy say 20# over max. It helps keep the weight in plane while your body feels at least a part of the increase. You can use it for bench presses also. Does not replace normal squats/bp you get to do those on your next leg/chest day. Bwahahaha ha
Eat like a pig the days you go heavy (after). Ice cream and steak.

Posted by: Fewenuff at December 15, 2017 07:15 PM (gHE26)

97
PS, I know most people don't care about these threads, so I'll put up
another thread shortly after this one. However, do consider this one
"live," even though there'll be another thread above it in a bit.



I think they're interesting and it's good to hear the GAINZZZZZ people have made. My walking with Pookette to preschool is over for now-too snowy and cold for a four-year-old to walk for a mile. At least it's flat, so she can't say to her kids that it was uphill both ways......

Posted by: pookysgirl at December 15, 2017 07:16 PM (XKZwp)

98
I bought a lat pull down bar a bunch of years ago. As far as looking in the mirror and being pleased, it was a great investment. Being into mainly aerobic sports all my life I never had much of a chest and shoulders. Bingo. Within weeks -- without going crazy on the weights -- a great response.

Much better, in my opinion, than the response from lifting -- where I got little to no response. It's kinda funny how you attack a problem from one angle and nothing, try it from the reverse and success.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 15, 2017 07:16 PM (ajiE5)

99 I still cannot tell the difference between "mee" and "nee" or "choo" and "joo", but hopefully that will come.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at December 15, 2017 07:06 PM (JPRju)

The difference between "choo" and "joo" is that one does your dry-cleaning and one does your taxes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 15, 2017 07:18 PM (wYseH)

100 Hey Ace, those of us who care, REALLY DO CARE, and thank you for putting them up!

Posted by: random lurker commenter at December 15, 2017 07:18 PM (dab45)

101 Guys, being in shape can help you have sex with women without being sued for sexual harassment!


https://tinyurl.com/yaq76crf

Posted by: Javems at December 15, 2017 07:18 PM (yOqwj)

102 Oh, and fun answer to why I can't lose weight, even though I was exercising more: my thyroid is out of whack. So now the fertility people want to mess with that too.

Posted by: pookysgirl at December 15, 2017 07:19 PM (XKZwp)

103
I look forward to these threads. There's usually some good advice or ideas.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 15, 2017 07:19 PM (ajiE5)

104 >>>I bought a lat pull down bar a bunch of years ago.

I keep wanting to buy a resistance-band one.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 07:19 PM (8rNrN)

105 >>>Not a weightlifter, but more reps to get to more weight?

maybe. usually they say you do low-reps high weight for actual strength gains and high reps lower weight for maximum hypertrophy (size).

but maybe I have to switch it up.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 07:20 PM (8rNrN)

106 Pushups.
*On your hands, palm flat, shoulder wide.
*On your fingertips, shoulder wide.
*On your hands, palm flat, thumb to thumb and forefingers touching, making a diamond to plant your nose.
*On your knuckles, from your sterum.

Whatever number on the first, do equal number on all others.
Work up to 25 at each position.

Pullups/chinups.
*Hands palm out, shoulder wide.
*Hands palm in, touching.
*Hands palm out, touching.
*Hands palm in, shoulder wide.
Work up to 25 each, with toes pointed in pipestem positon.

Mix and match positions of pushups and pullups for variety over the 20 minute workout, then go for a run or swim.

Posted by: too much muscle at December 15, 2017 07:20 PM (E1Cft)

107 I would bet heavily on steroids for Christopher reeve. That's just how it was done, and those are the gains you'd get. There would have been little stigma attached to it back then. It wasn't cheating, it was more, "eww, are you some sort of body builder?"

Posted by: t-bird at December 15, 2017 07:22 PM (K0iLX)

108 Great thread, thanks everybody.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 07:22 PM (3myMJ)

109 Kinda sorta gainzz - I just put the first recipe from the Deplorable gourmet into the oven. It's Christopher R. Taylor's meat muffins. If I survive, I'll let you know how they turned out.

Posted by: scott High Plains Deplorable at December 15, 2017 07:24 PM (2tbcA)

110
I keep wanting to buy a resistance-band one.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 07:19 PM (8rNrN)


I don't think I spent much money on the bar, being cheap, but its kind of interesting how quickly I got results. Not a tough exercise at all.

I think I started about 1/3rd of body weight and pretty much stayed there. Instant (within a few weeks) chest measurement three inches wider. No pain, good gain. That's the way I like it.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 15, 2017 07:25 PM (ajiE5)

111 @ 51 re: Power Cleans ...

I run the program without Power Cleans subbed rows.

Mark runs seminars teaching all the basic movements. They're listed at his website @ https://aasgaardco.com/store/seminars

Posted by: bobby at December 15, 2017 07:25 PM (5mwOY)

112 okay so one thing I got from this is that I have to go lower in my squats. Knee soreness has been a problem, and I always hear deep squats are better for the knees, not worse.

I do box squats now, and use the 14 inch side of a plybox as the box. I will flip it to the 12 inch side to see how that works.

I haven't done this yet because I have a lot of trouble stretching the inside parts of the leg to get that deep. but i'll star working on it.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 07:27 PM (8rNrN)

113 @ 94 " ... more reps weight to get to more weight ..."

FIFY

Posted by: bobby at December 15, 2017 07:28 PM (5mwOY)

114 To see what heavy weights-low reps does, look at a powerlifter.

For hypertrophy results, look at a competitive bodybuilder. I think the conventional wisdom for hypertrophy is still 8-12 reps.

Of course, bodybuilders are very dehydrated during competitions. I prefer a look between the two, but leaning toward the powerlifter. Competition guys look cartoonish to me.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 07:28 PM (3myMJ)

115 I took a free weights training class in college for the p.e. cred. Main thing they taught was rest your muscles for recuperation. As Sir Robin stated above we all get micro tears no matter what age you are or what shape you're in.

If you do a full body workout then no weights the next day. I split mine up into upper body muscles the first day and lower body the next. That allowed each half to rest the following day and I wouldn't get tempted to stop by skipping a day.

As for posture, a physical therapist taught me to picture my shoulder blades. The lower inner corner nearer the spine. You squeeze your blades together and at the same time pull the inner corners downward and hold for as long as you can even if only for a few seconds. It's awkward at first so I'd sort of shrug my shoulders backwards to get the momentum going, I guess you could say. You automatically stand taller and you pull your core in, too. I'd do it several times a day walking on errands and such. I've had people notice the difference.

Posted by: LAW at December 15, 2017 07:29 PM (sridL)

116 @ 94 " ... more WEIGHT to get to more weight ..."

FIFY

Posted by: bobby at December 15, 2017 07:30 PM (5mwOY)

117 Gains threads matter ace.

Posted by: thathalfrican - the calm before the storm at December 15, 2017 07:34 PM (IYHxL)

118 I went years without progressing on the military press.

When I want to do them now (but with kettle bells), I'll go with Greasing The Groove, or synaptic facilitation to get to a higher weight. Get the bells up by hook or crook. In your case, I guess you'd put the bar high on a squat rack and then load the plates. Stand up with them- hopefully you put them high enough that you don't have far to go. With great intensity, lower the bar to your shoulders. Rack it. Remove the plates, move the bar back up and repeat.

Posted by: t-bird at December 15, 2017 07:35 PM (K0iLX)

119 Oh, and on squats remember the depth you do effects the area you're working out. The shallower squats work your quads while the deeper you go works your glutes.

Posted by: LAW at December 15, 2017 07:35 PM (sridL)

120 Ace-

Find yourself a Starting Strength coach, even if you have to drive a few hours to get to one.

You have many questions that can be answered by a qualified strength coach: rep schemes, form issues, nutrition, rest and recovery.

It will be the best purchase you'll ever make.




Posted by: browndog at December 15, 2017 07:35 PM (bGMOs)

121 119 Oh, and on squats remember the depth you do effects the area you're working out. The shallower squats work your quads while the deeper you go works your glutes.
Posted by: LAW at December 15, 2017 07:35 PM (sridL)

Gettin' dat ASS!!

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 07:36 PM (NWiLs)

122 Man I suck at those. I need the patience to do what you are saying. Work my way up.
Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 07:09 PM (3myMJ)

Yup.....nobody just starts out doing 10 or 20 pull ups except for teenagers. Start slow and check out some youboob videos for tips and hints.

1 leads to 2 then to 3 and next you'll be doing half a dozen no problem. Expect to be sore here and there but don't quit them.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 15, 2017 07:37 PM (EoRCO)

123 Ace-
I'm off to dinner. I'll be back in a couple of hours if you have follow up questions.



Posted by: browndog at December 15, 2017 07:37 PM (bGMOs)

124 I'm glad to see the Gainz thread, very glad.

My weight loss has plateued too. I've been pretty darn good at IF but I'm not seeing much if any weight loss. Maybe it's like every other diet: Good at taking 10% of your fat off but not so good at the rest of it.

I suspect you and I both, Ace, need to shake things up. On your end, try to vary your diet and change your exercises to work the overhead press muscles differently.

On my end....well, it would help if I got off my ass more often.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2017 07:46 PM (xJa6I)

125 Oh, well. I do look forward to these most fleeting of threads.

Posted by: t-bird at December 15, 2017 07:47 PM (K0iLX)

126 117 Gains threads matter ace.
Posted by: thathalfrican - the calm before the storm at December 15, 2017 07:34 PM (IYHxL)


I see what you did there...

and I agree.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2017 07:47 PM (xJa6I)

127 I was thinking of maybe alternating high-volume sessions with higher-weight sessions to try to try to hit these muscles a different way.

++++

Which are you doing now? I was always told that to build muscle, you go higher weight and fewer reps. When you want to develop your cut, like for competition or to just look good on the beach, you switch to more reps and lower weight.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 15, 2017 07:48 PM (pvjTE)

128 "Practical Programming for Strength Training" is Rippetoe's follow on book for intermediate lifters. If all else fails, his stuff works. I've had good results with "Starting Strength", substituting pull-ups and chin-ups for the power cleans since I lift alone.

At one point, gains had started to slow down. The advice I received then was that my body weight probably needed to increase and should consider protein supplements and generally increased caloric intake. I did both, and found that it made gains easier.

Because of having to have hip replacements from martial arts abuse, now I just lift to maintain strength at a 'safe load', well down from my previous maximum, with some programmed pauses and restarts to keep it from being boring, but am having no trouble maintaining strength while losing weight slowly.

I'm down to 17% body fat, which is still somewhat high for appearance, if not health, but down from a previous 22%, and continuing to lose weight while gaining strength in my shoulders. I'm 66 and lift less frequently than almost anybody recommends, 2 to 3 times per week, at most 2 times per lift in a week.

Like they say, everybody is different, but 5x5 sounds like too much after succeeding so well with Rippetoe's schedule. His website has a lot of good comments and discussions.

Posted by: OneDay at December 15, 2017 07:52 PM (wT4sT)

129 Want to lose weight. Altitude is your answer. On vacation I hike\climb around Bend, Oregon. I come home 10 pounds lighter after hitting 8 brewpubs. Exercise at altitude = weight loss

Posted by: Phildirt at December 15, 2017 07:53 PM (H6KfW)

130 At age 59 I started plateauing 5x5 GAINZZZ and went to one day of 5x5 @ 80% and a day of 3x5 @ 100%; adding 5lbs every 3 weeks. That way I make gainzzz, keep good form and live to lift another day without crippling soreness.

Posted by: Regular joe at December 15, 2017 07:55 PM (7PllL)

131 I know this is a dead thread but... Anyone who had the kind of absurd gains that Christopher Reeve did was taking steroids no matter what they claimed. 15 lbs of muscle a year is a lot. Go look at 15 lbs of lean steak and imagine that added to your body.

Posted by: An Observation at December 15, 2017 07:56 PM (Izbwn)

132 131 I know this is a dead thread but... Anyone who had the kind of absurd gains that Christopher Reeve did was taking steroids no matter what they claimed. 15 lbs of muscle a year is a lot. Go look at 15 lbs of lean steak and imagine that added to your body.
Posted by: An Observation at December 15, 2017 07:56 PM (Izbwn)

Normally, yes But if a guy HAS been an athlete and has gone soft, they can get the muscle back. Dunno of the science about it, but I know one former wrestler who re-gained about 40 pounds of muscle hitting the iron hard after going to seed after quite a few years.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2017 08:00 PM (xJa6I)

133 A friend of mine just gor a full ride to a D-1. He'll need to gain about 70 pounds to be competitive. Four months of eating, lifting, and practice with his team have netted him five pounds. So it's not just us amateurs who have trouble. This kids full time job is GAINZzz and he's got all sorts of professionals dedicated to it

Posted by: t-bird at December 15, 2017 08:02 PM (K0iLX)

134 There's a YouTube of action/superhero actors discussing their diet and exercise programs for getting in shape. It's virtually impossible for someone with a real job and life.

Posted by: Regular joe at December 15, 2017 08:11 PM (7PllL)

135 I still like these threads. No GAINZZZ because I've been sick the last 2 weeks. I joined Planet Fitness a month ago (because my parents were going to be in town for 2+ weeks and I wanted somewhere to go while the kids were in school). I wish they had more free weights, but I can't complain over $10 a month.

Posted by: Memories at December 15, 2017 08:15 PM (mwcEF)

136 Ace,
I want to second the 5/3/1 recommendation. 5/3/1 helped me improve my overhead press, from about 110lbs to 130, so it is worth looking into. You can change over from starting strength to 5/3/1 one lift at a time if you want. EG: do press and squat on 5/3/1 and keep doing deads and bench press on starting strength as long as you are still making progress.
I also find that for general shoulder well-being it is good to do some light lateral raises and flys in addition to the barbell press.
As for the power clean: the first time I attempted it, it was an awful bitch, never got decent form or progressed beyond 55lbs. Then last spring I told myself "just get it the weight from the ground onto your shoulders and don't worry about the form", and it worked! Something clicked and I was cleaning 115 in a few weeks, and then was adding power snatches. Suddenly my neck and traps looked huge. Don't overthink it, it is a natural movement.

Posted by: DM at December 15, 2017 08:24 PM (CVpXk)

Whistleblowers: FBI Using Loophole to Exploit NSA Program to Spy on Americans

You need a warrant to spy on Americans. But you need no warrant to spy on foreigners.

That sounds fine.

But whistleblowers tell Sara Carter that the FBI is exploiting this difference in how citizens are foreigners are treated to spy on citizens with no warrant.

The #Hack goes like this: Let's say the want to spy on you, but they have no probable cause to do so.

But then they find out you occasionally talk with a a foreign friend, let's say an Italian, you know from college.

So they fake up a reason to spy on the Italian and -- whoopsie! -- just happen to wind up surveilling you whenever you talk to your Italian friend.

And you were the target all along, of course.

So much here for the Weekly Standard to not report on.

The whistleblowers, who recently disclosed the program's process to Congressional oversight committees, say concern over the warrantless surveillance mounted when it was disclosed earlier this year that Obama officials had accessed and unmasked communications of members of President Trump’s 2016 campaign, allegedly without clear justification.

The process, known as 'reverse targeting,' occurs when intelligence and law enforcement officials use a foreign person as a legal pretense for their intended target, an American citizen, the officials stated...

The whistleblowers said the program established after the September 11, 2001, attacks has not been successful in preventing terror threats, but instead infringes on privacy rights and could easily be abused for political purposes. Those concerns were also voiced to then FBI Director James Comey in 2014, and alternative options for the program were discussed, a source with knowledge said. And now, those intelligence officials want lawmakers to conduct extensive investigations into the program.

"The program can be misused by anyone with access to it," said a former Intelligence official, with knowledge of the program. "There needs to be an extensive investigation of all the Americans connected to President Trump and the campaign who were unmasked in connection with the 2016 election."

FBI officials declined to comment for this story.

I'm not completely naive about espionage or playing loosey-goosey with rules when a genuine threat is being investigated.

I could support, or quietly tolerate, such violations of the law if the people doing so were doing it only in cases where a real threat to life or security interests existed.

But turning the NSA inside-out to spy on Americans for political reasons?

No, that hasn't been proven yet. But I don't think it will take that long to prove it.

One can only tolerate invasions of privacy if one trusts the people with the power to do so to restrain themselves from turning the exceptional case into the general rule -- taking it from "we'll violate this citizen's rights if there's a clear threat" to "we're just going to use this generally as a snooping tool, when we feel like it, like when there's a man running for president who must not be permitted to win and we need an insurance policy."

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1 to paraphrase another - the deep state hates you, act accordingly

Posted by: Bored383 at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (70HTk)

2
Kislyak'd... right in the kishkes.

I hate these traitorous pig-dogs.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 05:46 PM (mbhDw)

3 I don't blame people for using loopholes. Once discovered though they should be closed.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 05:46 PM (2DOZq)

4 Obama turned the mechanisms of the State on every one of his perceived enemies.

There won't be a single department in the entire Government where his minions weren't / aren't at work trying to undermine anyone they feel threatens the Obama Agenda / Legacy.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 05:47 PM (8bEU0)

5 "But then they find out you occasionally talk with a foreign friend, let's say an Italian, you know from college."

Is he an interesting Italian?

Posted by: Furious George at December 15, 2017 05:49 PM (j+dfT)

6 We have all read the post, right?

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 05:49 PM (zSVEm)

7 Trumpcamps. Trumpcamps for them all.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 05:49 PM (fA1SL)

8 So what do you think, Bob?

Posted by: tu3031 at December 15, 2017 05:49 PM (O5Q3r)

9 Bill Kristol's Jim Comey Dildo (patent pending) just e-mailed to say . . .


"If I wasn't jammed up this asshole's asshole I would totally tweet out a Bible verse that justifies this!"

Posted by: Sharkman at December 15, 2017 05:50 PM (0oDnb)

10 One can only tolerate invasions of privacy if one trusts the people with the power to do so to restrain themselves

I wouldn't trust the Obamanites to wash my car.

Posted by: pep at December 15, 2017 05:51 PM (LAe3v)

11 I have no expectation of privacy any more... I assume we are all under some degree of surveillance.. it becomes problematic when we become denounce-worthy..

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 05:51 PM (zSVEm)

12 If you're innocent, you have nothing to worry about. Right, comrade?

Posted by: RI Red - No step on snek. at December 15, 2017 05:51 PM (1YChx)

13 Just remember, our conservative "opinion leaders" during the Bush era wanted to rubber stamp all of this type of surveillance.

I'd personally rather take my chances with terrorists than the Deep State.

Posted by: Apache at December 15, 2017 05:52 PM (uc45P)

14 We have all read the post, right?

There was a post?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - It's OK, I'm with the banned at December 15, 2017 05:52 PM (IcT7t)

15 Apparently, it goes further.

If you have an Italian friend who talks to another foreigner that is listed as such, you also get swept up in surveilence.

Not that this surprises me.

I have seen Alphabet Agents randomly listening to phone calls from around the country in surveilence rooms. They soend all day doing warrantless wire tapping. Both via personnel and computer.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 05:52 PM (8bEU0)

16 I wouldn't trust the Obamanites to wash my car.

I wouldn't trust them to pick up my dogs shit from the backyard.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 05:52 PM (CNHr1)

17 Most everything about me is stored in various databases... that routinely share information, so...

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 05:54 PM (zSVEm)

18 *winks knowingly then goes back to blowing dusky desert-dweller's meat-sicle . . .*

Posted by: Ex-Prez'nit Cock-Curious at December 15, 2017 05:54 PM (0oDnb)

19 I really don't care what these fvckers see me do, but I don't care much for extortion of money and property.

Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2017 05:54 PM (nisXv)

20 Similar abuses occur with parallel construction of evidence in a criminal case made possible by unlawful methods.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2017 05:55 PM (Dp6qK)

21 >>We have all read the post, right?

I read it last night and was called naive for not knowing the government can't be trusted or something.

Because that's news.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 05:55 PM (/tuJf)

22 Sara Carter is the new Sharyl Attkison (I'm sure I misspelled both of SA's names).

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:55 PM (GsAUU)

23 Is that some new name for a trebuchet, Palpatine ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (XvTYo)

24 Well, that's good news. My husband and I communicate with foreign students, former and current, all the time.

*replaces sticky over camera*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (ptqGC)

25 Does anyone believe Obama didn't give the go-ahead?

The only question is whether they'll ever be able to pin anything on the bastard.

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (ALDN3)

26 How do we know you are an immediate threat unless we listen to all of your phone calls, read all of your emails, track all of your web searches, and watch all of your financial transactions? If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (BoMuO)

27 There's stuff out there that says that the likes of the NSA give local law enforcement warrantless surveilance information to go after Bad Guys, and that local law enforcement then reverse engineers to get the evidence for probable cause.

All fine when the targets are heroin dealers. Not so good when they're political opponents.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (cAXIk)

28 23. Some trumpcamps will provide labor & materials for the trebuchets.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (fA1SL)

29 Will they spy on me when I'm talking to my imaginary friend?

Posted by: Harry Reid at December 15, 2017 05:57 PM (IqV8l)

30 Wasn't it James Clapper who said the NSA wasn't doing any spying on the public?

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 05:57 PM (aC6Sd)

31 26
How do we know you are an immediate threat unless we listen to all of your phone calls, read all of your emails, track all of your web searches, and watch all of your financial transactions? If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (BoMuO)

Now that there is funny!

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 05:57 PM (zSVEm)

32 Been seeing for years that we'll spy on the Brits or the Germans for them, and they'll spy on Americans for "us".
Anybody able to confirm or deny?

Posted by: random lurker commenter at December 15, 2017 05:57 PM (dab45)

33 Not a loophole. A deceit.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 15, 2017 05:57 PM (oVJmc)

34 Totalitarian Stasi motherfuckers.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (NWiLs)

35 Zzzzzzzzz

Posted by: Jeff "swamp master" Sessions at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (gfU6H)

36 24. Yep. PRC, most of Eastern Europe, Israel, Russia, Central Asia, ROC....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (fA1SL)

37 But this also goes more towards supporting my theory that Gen Mike Rogers is the one who warned Trump because he knows that Comey and the FBI were spying on his administration before they even got the FISA warrant. I think they may have gotten the warrant more to cover their actions than as a prerequisite to spy.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (/tuJf)

38 CAT.. that's the stupid argument my husbands cousin used a few years back. "I have nothing to hide".. we just looked at him dumbfounded.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (CNHr1)

39 What about non-american illegal immigrant types? Is it ok to spy on them?

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (UdKB7)

40 O/T Just read where James Kallstrom sez Strzok (or however you spell his name) "belongs in Leavenworth."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (ptqGC)

41 Snowden is hated by most, but he brought up some inconvenient goings on.

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (zSVEm)

42 Eliminate the FBI.

Cowards and bullies with badges they have become.

Not to mention traitors and preverts.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (EoRCO)

43 It's the old cop trick of "sir your tail light is out which is why I stopped you" and then does a search.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 15, 2017 05:59 PM (M06hO)

44 All this spying and no one stopped: Chattanooga. Boston. Orlando. San Bernardino. Ft Hood

Posted by: Phildirt at December 15, 2017 05:59 PM (H6KfW)

45 Test

Posted by: Surfperch at December 15, 2017 05:59 PM (gfU6H)

46 All fine when the targets are heroin dealers


No, not all well and good. Where is the line? It is a huge gray area, and the government/ police will always err on the side of intrusive. There is a reason for the 4th amendment.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:59 PM (BoMuO)

Posted by: Bob from NSA at December 15, 2017 05:59 PM (HgMAr)

48
Wasn't it James Clapper who said the NSA wasn't doing any spying on the public?

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 05:57 PM (aC6Sd)


He also promised not to do anything in our mouths.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 05:59 PM (ptqGC)

49 We are in an internal surveillance race with all other major powers. It's like a space race. Foreign entities, and big businesses, know more about our population than our government does. That makes us vulnerable, and subject to manipulation, especially with the rise of AI. Worrying about our own FBI is just the tip of an iceberg that should concern us.

Posted by: goon at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (EaQ6/)

50 "No, not all well and good."

I meant this as snarc. Big Bill of Rights fan here.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (cAXIk)

51
But then they find out you occasionally talk with a a foreign friend, let's say an Italian, you know from college.

So they fake up a reason to spy on the Italian and -- whoopsie! -- just happen to wind up surveilling you whenever you talk to your Italian friend.


Does the Italian have to be in Italy?

Can they spy on you when you call the Chinese restaurant?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (IqV8l)

52 >>It's the old cop trick of "sir your tail light is out - **Smashes Tail Light** - which is why I stopped you" and then does a search.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (8bEU0)

53
Someone's probably already made this observation, but that "insurance policy" comment from whatzizname sure sounds like the sort of thing that would get the Secret Service knocking on a regular citizen's front door.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (eXA4G)

54 Mentioned in the last thread about dropping conservative as an identifying term.

Why not? Liberals did it last decade after Georgie Porgie won reelection. There was an article in some liberal rag back then about how they needed to jettison liberal because of the negative associations and start using progressive. Sure enough, you see progressive far more than you do liberal.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (4ErVI)

55 25 Does anyone believe Obama didn't give the go-ahead?

The only question is whether they'll ever be able to pin anything on the bastard.
Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (ALDN3)

I like to think (pleasepleaseplease) that's why Sessions has been so quiet. Will only get one shot at him, and it has to be incontrivertible.

Posted by: random lurker commenter at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (dab45)

56 >>Wasn't it James Clapper who said the NSA wasn't doing any spying on the public?

Yes, and he is also the guy who tired to fire Rogers last November.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (/tuJf)

57 26 How do we know you are an immediate threat unless we listen to all of your phone calls, read all of your emails, track all of your web searches, and watch all of your financial transactions? If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (BoMuO)

Along with the "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about." We have a government weaponized against its citizenry, with a corrupt intelligence-gathering and law-enforcement apparatuses. We're just a few denunciations and show trials away from the Soviet.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (NWiLs)

58 All this spying and no one stopped: Chattanooga. Boston. Orlando. San Bernardino. Ft Hood

yeah.. funny, that. Not ha ha funny either.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (CNHr1)

59 47

Posted by: Bob from NSA


I keep trying to swipe and highlight what you typed Bob but it's not working.

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:01 PM (UdKB7)

60 "Sen Ron Johnson R-Wis., chairman on Homeland Security Committee...reveals how edits to Comey's exoneration memo...edited out content that shows the FBI knew Hillary was intentionally in violation of the Espionage Act"

This shit is worse than what was in the Augean Stables.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 06:01 PM (3myMJ)

61 We need to purge the FBI and NSA.

Posted by: Surfperch at December 15, 2017 06:01 PM (gfU6H)

62 This does sound like taking it to just a whole new level. You know it's always possible to catch up citizens when you are targeting a potential foreign risk. But from the way I read this it's that they are coming up with a bull shit reason to target the foreigner to solely go after the citizen target. Right?

Posted by: Buzzion at December 15, 2017 06:02 PM (rV5W1)

63 All this spying and no one stopped: Chattanooga. Boston. Orlando. San Bernardino. Ft Hood

Well, you've heard them say time and time again their real enemies are Republicans.

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 06:02 PM (eIQHF)

64

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Posted by: Bob from NSA at December 15, 2017 06:02 PM (HgMAr)

65 Whoops we scooped up all this stuff completely by accident...
The NSA

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 06:03 PM (LiyEm)

66 Bob's a belly dancer?

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:03 PM (UdKB7)

67 >>Right?


YES! You are correct, sir.

Posted by: Zombie Ed McMahon at December 15, 2017 06:03 PM (8bEU0)

68 Purging State Security is fraught with peril.... possibly a leader who simply does not care about reputation, and has an uber loyal personal force...

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 06:03 PM (zSVEm)

69 bebe's a belly dancer?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:04 PM (8bEU0)

70 Maybe we also need to take a look at whether we let the Deep State spy on foreigners as well?

I mean once you give them this capability, expect them to use it on us.

And how many terrorist attacks has all of this wire tapping and surveillance really thwarted?

I would be pissed if say Germany was wiretapping my phone calls "just in case"

Posted by: Apache at December 15, 2017 06:04 PM (uc45P)

71 Green energy? Good riddance to fossil fuels?


Harness the energy of our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.

Dump the Patriot Ace

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 06:04 PM (3/sUh)

72 It doesn't effect me if the friend lives more than 10 miles from my house.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 15, 2017 06:04 PM (oVJmc)

73 We will kick any goddammed door down that we want to kick down!

And you will be taught to not only obey, but you will LIKE it!

And our compadres in the Congress, aka Democrats, will have our backs. Our Press friends will cover it up and change the story when necessary.

That is something the Republicans and working citizens forgot to do a long time ago.

Why do you think we are still around?

Suckers.

Posted by: Mueller, Rosenstein, McCabe, Weinstein, and our 4am raids on your Trump-ass house at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (UsCnO)

74 "But then they find out you occasionally talk with a foreign friend, let's say an Italian, you know from college."

Is he an interesting Italian?
Posted by: Furious George



But not the Irish, correct?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (GjTLE)

75 "reveals how edits to Comey's exoneration memo...edited out content that shows the FBI knew Hillary was intentionally in violation of the Espionage Act"

Is this as simple as these Mooks didn't know how to use the feature in Microsoft Word that lets you erase Track Changes. If you don't take the affirmative step of erasing Track Changes, it's all easily recoverable. Even show the author of the change

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (cAXIk)

76 They lie and cover for each other and hold no one responsible because if the depth of corruption were truly known, they would all hang.

Posted by: Tentotwo at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (yhf6w)

77 >>Purging State Security is fraught with peril.


I gotta level with you, here.

I've seen Peril.

You'd be lucky to even get a taste.

Posted by: Sir Galahad at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (8bEU0)

78 Remember when Democrats were interested in building a wall? Not one to keep out foreigners, of course; I mean Jamie Gorelick's wall between law enforcement and intelligence collection.

They let several thousand people be murdered because they wanted to guarantee that al Qaeda would not be treated the way the Trump administration has been.

Posted by: bgates at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (JDbPD)

79 63 All this spying and no one stopped: Chattanooga. Boston. Orlando. San Bernardino. Ft Hood

Well, you've heard them say time and time again their real enemies are Republicans. Every Day Folks like you and I
Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 06:02 PM (eIQHF)


FIFY

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 06:06 PM (3/sUh)

80
So remember when Obama wanted to have an Internal Security Force that had more funding than the DoD?

We all thought he was going to hire Bloods, Crips an MS-13s. Well, what if it turned out to be the FBI and DoJ and CIA all along?

Joke's on us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 06:06 PM (mbhDw)

81 http://bit.ly/2ok2T4b

REPORTER: Mark My Words The House is Going To Be Rocked in The Coming 72 Hours

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 06:06 PM (y3aQB)

82 >>>I have seen Alphabet Agents randomly listening to phone calls from around the country in surveilence rooms. They soend all day doing warrantless wire tapping. Both via personnel and computer.

I'd like to upvote this. There is a story I think will ultimately come out.

It's bad.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 06:06 PM (8rNrN)

83 also goes more towards supporting my theory that Gen Mike Rogers is the one who warned Trump because he knows that Comey and the FBI were spying on his administration before they even got the FISA warrant. I think they may have gotten the warrant more to cover their actions than as a prerequisite to spy.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (/tuJf)

Right after meeting him Trump moved his transition offices to his Country Club in New Jersey. Seems like a legitimate theory.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 06:06 PM (dKiJG)

84 69
bebe's a belly dancer?





Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:04 PM (8bEU0)
prob'ly

Posted by: DJT at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (14URa)

85 This 'loophole' originally started when naturalized citizen Ali Baba Muhammad communicated with Abdul Ali Muhammad in Yemen. The lesson is you can never give unscrupulous people an inch.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (2DOZq)

86 57
26 How do we know you are an immediate threat unless we listen to all of
your phone calls, read all of your emails, track all of your web
searches, and watch all of your financial transactions? If you aren't
doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (BoMuO)



Along with the "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to
worry about." We have a government weaponized against its citizenry,
with a corrupt intelligence-gathering and law-enforcement apparatuses.
We're just a few denunciations and show trials away from the Soviet.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (NWiLs)

=======
You are going to the range for regular practice sessions, yes?

Posted by: Mueller, Rosenstein, McCabe, Weinstein, and our 4am raids on your Trump-ass house at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (UsCnO)

87 Any of us could be ruined in a week or less, if the State decides we are sufficiently annoying.. just a little comforting thought..

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (zSVEm)

88 25 Does anyone believe Obama didn't give the go-ahead?

The only question is whether they'll ever be able to pin anything on the bastard.
Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (ALDN3)



Obama? Eh I can see him not giving the go ahead. Valerie Jarrett or whoever was really making the decisions for that stoned uninterested commie rhetoric spewing scoamf though? Absolutely.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (rV5W1)

89 We're, generally, with the exception of luck, not going to stop one-man armies from doing bad deeds. Except that the ones that we catch before the act are dumb as rocks. Our focus certainly should remain upon stopping the WMD types of acts. We can choose privacy or security, not either and not both.

Posted by: goon at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (EaQ6/)

90 38 CAT.. that's the stupid argument my husbands cousin used a few years back. "I have nothing to hide".. we just looked at him dumbfounded.
Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (CNHr1)

Everyone has something to hide. And even if you don't, if they want you bad enough, they'll find something.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (NWiLs)

91 Yeah,I'm no longer a Republican and the term conservative no longer covers it either.Deplorables.

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 06:08 PM (LiyEm)

92 oops

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 06:08 PM (14URa)

93
*replaces sticky over camera*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (ptqGC)


Damn Jane, you beat me to the punch. Ya gotta be fast around here, because nobody is slow.

*peels sticky tape back, gives NSA the finger, replaces tape*

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 15, 2017 06:08 PM (ajiE5)

94 So it's pretty obvious that nobody from FBI had to call a meeting on how to listen in on Trump. Also highly doubtful there's any written request from above.

This is simply "You know what needs to be done" communication.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at December 15, 2017 06:08 PM (JyFLk)

95 This stinks to high heaven. Too bad my indignationometer is pegged out and the hammerofjustice release valve seems to be in a state of disrepair.

Posted by: RustyG at December 15, 2017 06:08 PM (1Mft0)

96 http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/268730/fbi-plot-against-trump-matthew-vadum
Those people are so fyull of themselves, and best picture of Strzok and his honey pot

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (aC6Sd)

97 OT but final tax bill is out. Im really liking it. The tax rates are way down and brackets way up. Plus child tax credit will phase out at 500k.

Im looking for about 6k a year savings now.

Boom.

That makes up for the extra niney i spend on health insurance thanks to Obamacare.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (dqn5+)

98 66 Bob's a belly dancer?
Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:03 PM (UdKB7)

He's waving his dick in our faces.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (NWiLs)

99 "In those cases, Americans are either communicating with the foreign
target, have spoken to someone who's part of the chain of calls
associated with the original target or their names have been swept up in
conversations where two foreigners are speaking about them."

Let's say Kevin Bacon is the foreign target. By talking with him on the phone your "Bacon Number" is 1. Talking with someone who talked with him, your "Bacon Number" is 2. But having Kevin mention your name, or the name of someone that has your name, in conversation makes your "Bacon Number" any number they want.

All that needs to be done is have someone call from a foreign number to the foreign target and mention the name of the person you really want. Something like "Did you know John Doe did X." Now John Doe, any John Doe's calls can all be opened out of the big Colorado database and then unmasked. Bingo anyone can be listened to. Heck the foreign 'target" could be in on it helping out.

Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (zOpu5)

100 All this spying and no one stopped: Chattanooga. Boston. Orlando. San Bernardino. Ft Hood

yeah.. funny, that. Not ha ha funny either.
Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels


Garland - Draw Mo

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (GjTLE)

101 I know this is an old meme in the horde, but I need to know for story purposes, since a couple of my characters have gotten into an argument. Other than crossbows being easier to aim, and longbows being faster to shoot, what are the pluses or minuses of each? Longbows take a lot of training (and I never got good with my compound), but are faster. Never owned a crossbow, so no experience there.

Posted by: empire1 at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (bnQS6)

102 81 http://bit.ly/2ok2T4b

REPORTER: Mark My Words The House is Going To Be Rocked in The Coming 72 Hours

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 06:06 PM (y3aQB)

Usually this sort of chicanery gets released on a Friday. If it's Monday you know someone wants to make an issue of it.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if the entire CBC had to resign?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (4ErVI)

103 http://bit.ly/2ok2T4b

REPORTER: Mark My Words The House is Going To Be Rocked in The Coming 72 Hours
........

Yay! Moar old man balls!

Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 06:10 PM (HgMAr)

104 This is the first election that I didn't give any money. I was more afraid of the blowback from liberals.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 06:10 PM (dKiJG)

105 70 Maybe we also need to take a look at whether we let the Deep State spy on foreigners as well?

I mean once you give them this capability, expect them to use it on us.

And how many terrorist attacks has all of this wire tapping and surveillance really thwarted?

I would be pissed if say Germany was wiretapping my phone calls "just in case"
Posted by: Apache at December 15, 2017 06:04 PM (uc45P)



Well to be fair they probably were forbidden from ever using any of this stuff to investigate someone if they attended a mosque. That would be racist you know.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 15, 2017 06:10 PM (rV5W1)

106 Remember when Democrats were interested in building a wall? Not one to keep out foreigners, of course; I mean Jamie Gorelick's wall between law enforcement and intelligence collection.

They let several thousand people be murdered because they wanted to guarantee that al Qaeda would not be treated the way the Trump administration has been.
Posted by: bgates

________

To be intellectually honest, it was Republicans that really wanted organizations like the CIA and NSA to be able to spy on us after 9/11.

All of this surveilance and wars when preventing 9/11 is all about immigration and who we let in.

Posted by: Apache at December 15, 2017 06:10 PM (uc45P)

107 Loopholes just means the game is not sufficiently rigged.

Posted by: Love Gun at December 15, 2017 06:10 PM (JoQAu)

108 The FBI toptuny stamp. They have become the KGB. I mean the KBG without any integrity.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 06:11 PM (zLDYs)

109 >>Right after meeting him Trump moved his transition offices to his Country Club in New Jersey. Seems like a legitimate theory.

Yep. And he is the only member of Obama's intel community that did not really endorse the Russian hacking theory and he is the only member of Obama's intel community he kept.

If you go back and look at the sequence of events and the moves people made I think Trump has known exactly what happened since that day that Rogers met with him in the SCIF that was set up at Trump Towers and a lot of what we have seen from his administration since then has been kabuki while the OIG and other have been maneuvering behind the scene.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 06:11 PM (/tuJf)

110 Posted by: empire1 at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (bnQS6)

It's A Trap !!!!

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 06:11 PM (2DOZq)

111 >> Moar old man balls!


EPISODE 6 : The Pendulum Swings Back!

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:11 PM (8bEU0)

112 81 http://bit.ly/2ok2T4b

REPORTER: Mark My Words The House is Going To Be Rocked in The Coming 72 Hours
Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 06:06 PM (y3aQB)

Until I see one of these fucking arrogant pricks doing a perp walk and sentenced to prison, only then will i believe it.

And when I say perp walk I don't mean some financial scandal like that bitch from FL. I'm talking espionage, treason and the like.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 06:11 PM (3/sUh)

113 There's also the 'loophole" where the other intel services who also have access to the Colorado call database can grab the calls of an American since they have no limitation on foreigners/Americans and then slip the transcript to they friends here.

Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 06:12 PM (zOpu5)

114 All that needs to be done is have someone call from a foreign number to the foreign target and mention the name of the person you really want. Something like "Did you know John Doe did X." Now John Doe, any John Doe's calls can all be opened out of the big Colorado database and then unmasked. Bingo anyone can be listened to. Heck the foreign 'target" could be in on it helping out.
Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (zOpu5)



Why do you think they want to bring all the foreigners in who will be beholden to them.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 06:12 PM (GjTLE)

115 99 by geoffb - hence the ham radio. Have soneone overseas consistently mention flynn. Flynn calls one of the numbers. fISA warrant.... impeachment... hillary is president. Or
Somethiglike that, youd have to ask the Bitch Kohn.

Posted by: Eli Cash at December 15, 2017 06:12 PM (9UNsO)

116 Obama had too many cut-outs. ValJar probably too.

Comey has a big exposure. So do Rice, Rhodes, Yates, Huma and Mills. Lynch, maybe.

Here's a tidbit from Sep 2017:

A Maryland judge ordered the state bar to open an investigation into the three lawyers who helped former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton delete her private emails.

Anne Arundel County Circuit Court Judge Paul F. Harris Jr. said the complaints lodged against David E. Kendall, Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson were egregious and the state bar couldn't dismiss them as frivolous.

"There are allegations of destroying evidence,"Judge Harris said at a hearing Monday morning.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 06:12 PM (cAXIk)

117 If this is about punishing excesses during an election cycle, then I'm on board. If this is about gutting our security services, fuck that. We don't know how lucky we are. That's a known unknown.

Posted by: goon at December 15, 2017 06:13 PM (EaQ6/)

118 In 72 hours the Tick is finally going to tock?

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 06:14 PM (3myMJ)

119
♪ Here comes my nineteenth nervous breakdown smashed iPhone ♪

I know the score.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton, Arms Racketeer, Uranium Peddler at December 15, 2017 06:14 PM (ajiE5)

120 They should do their domestic spying the right way. Pay the Brits to do it.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 06:14 PM (BoMuO)

121 I could support, or quietly tolerate, such violations of the law if the people doing so were doing it only in cases where a real threat to life or security interests existed.

No Ace, you can't and you already know why. There can not be any exceptions to laws, because an exception turns into case law turns into ambulance-chasing crony SS disability bullshit. Your deserving exception is my Kate Steinle murderer.

Posted by: Yor, the Hunter from the Future at December 15, 2017 06:14 PM (Jj+59)

122 117 If this is about punishing excesses during an election cycle, then I'm on board. If this is about gutting our security services, fuck that. We don't know how lucky we are. That's a known unknown.
Posted by: goon at December 15, 2017 06:13 PM (EaQ6/)

I agree you can't throw out the baby with the bath water.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 06:14 PM (2DOZq)

123 Think about this. maybe this is way off base but given the shit going on lately it wouldn't surprise me. Say you have a business or part of your job requires you to talk to tech support often. And you need to talk to "Bob" or "Frank" who is located somewhere in Mumbai etc. etc. Gee, that guy has been talking to a lot of folks outside the US. Hmmmm.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 15, 2017 06:15 PM (VAlay)

124 117 If this is about punishing excesses during an election cycle, then I'm on board. If this is about gutting our security services, fuck that. We don't know how lucky we are. That's a known unknown.
Posted by: goon at December 15, 2017 06:13 PM (EaQ6/)


I don't think it is about gutting our security services its about that they fucking live within the rules of the law.

We are on the verge of becoming East Germany.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 06:15 PM (3/sUh)

125 'He's waving his dick in our faces''

Bob is remarkedly un-endowed.

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:15 PM (UdKB7)

126 Just when I sent my shocked face to the cleaners

Posted by: sofa saver at December 15, 2017 06:16 PM (4u7kU)

127 A Maryland judge ordered the state bar to open an investigation into the three lawyers who helped former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton delete her private emails.

Anne Arundel County Circuit Court Judge Paul F. Harris Jr. said the complaints lodged against David E. Kendall, Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson were egregious and the state bar couldn't dismiss them as frivolous.

"There are allegations of destroying evidence,"Judge Harris said at a hearing Monday morning.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 06:12 PM (cAXIk)

"No standing. Or something. Fuck if I know whatever this isn't going any further."

-Obama appointed federal judge

Seriously though that's some serious stuff right there. At the very least those are reasons for disbarment.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:16 PM (4ErVI)

128
This 'loophole' originally started when naturalized citizen Ali Baba Muhammad communicated with Abdul Ali Muhammad in Yemen.

Can't trust those Ali cats.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 06:16 PM (IqV8l)

129 How about using an IP (ooma, etc.) and setting your number as any foreign country code, maybe even because you did set it up while in, say, England. Then you plug the phone into any data jack, say in Quantico because IP phone don't care where you plug in, and it show as a call from a foreign phone number.

You can call the guy in the cubicle next to you and say, "DJT dirka dirka jihad, Russians"

Dirka dirka and DJT can be tapped?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 06:16 PM (Eu5eZ)

130 Anyone listening in to my phone will die of boredom. Unless they are a bass guitar gearhead or a flyfisher.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 06:17 PM (3myMJ)

131 Eric Holder is warning not to fire Mueller or else in Tweets

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 06:17 PM (aC6Sd)

132 >>Think about this. maybe this is way off base but given the shit going on lately it wouldn't surprise me. Say you have a business or part of your job requires you to talk to tech support often. And you need to talk to "Bob" or "Frank" who is located somewhere in Mumbai etc. etc. Gee, that guy has been talking to a lot of folks outside the US. Hmmmm.

I spent the last decade traveling extensively around the world including to some not so nice place in the Middle East and Africa and when I wasn't traveling I was on the phone or email.

The thought has occurred to me more than once.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 06:17 PM (/tuJf)

133 Does anyone believe Obama didn't give the go-ahead?

The only question is whether they'll ever be able to pin anything on the bastard.
Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (ALDN3)


Even if they do the MFM won't report it.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 15, 2017 06:17 PM (y7DUB)

134 We are on the verge of becoming East Germany.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 06:15 PM (3/sUh)


With a most fabulous Olympic team! The womens team will be more manly that the mans team!

Now we're getting somewhere!

Posted by: The LGBWTFBBQ lobby at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (ajiE5)

135 Yeah, they're gonna get perp walked like Jon Corzine, oh wait.....

Posted by: Yor, the Hunter from the Future at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (Jj+59)

136 if you've nothing to hide then all you need fear is a process crime.

Posted by: a lurker at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (JyPQf)

137 Montgomery is an NSA whistleblower who says that they are monitoring SCOTUS justices, congressmen, everyone. He has presented his evidence with his lawyer, founder of Judicial Watch and now CEO of Freedom Watch.


Look him up, he has many hard drives exposing this whole shit show allegedly. Guess what, other than twitter/social media, Trump doesn't use a computer. He literally has emails sent to him printed out and then he WRITES responses. Tough to have dirt on a guy who doesn't use a computer regularly! lol

Posted by: prescient11 at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (q+HNC)

138 Term limits:
You can only last so long in Congress before wanking in front of the secretary after going stark raving mad.

Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (HgMAr)

139 125 'He's waving his dick in our faces''

Bob is remarkedly un-endowed.
Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:15 PM (UdKB7)

More than a mouthful is wasted

Posted by: Kevin Spacey at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (3/sUh)

140 Given what my husband did for the last 10 years, I'm not surprised at all. In fact, I predicted it as soon as it was public knowledge what the NSA's role is.

Posted by: pookysgirl at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (XKZwp)

141 You know at this point what difference does it make? You got your Trump. Now leave me alone.

Posted by: HRC at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (UdKB7)

142 Fortunately, I am an inconsequential, nonpublic guy, dull and uninteresting...but you all know this.

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (zSVEm)

143 Eric Holder is warning not to fire Mueller or else in Tweets
Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 06:17 PM (aC6Sd)


Is he still leeching off the Californicate taxpayers?

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (y7DUB)

144 This is probably FBI disinfo that is meant to make you think that they are only spying on you when you are talking to foreigners.

Posted by: Born Cynic at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (wA6AB)

145 "135 Yeah, they're gonna get perp walked like Jon Corzine, oh wait....."



Spot - on.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (XvTYo)

146 136 if you've nothing to hide then all you need fear is a process crime.
Posted by: a lurker at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (JyPQf)

No shit

Posted by: Scooter Libby at December 15, 2017 06:19 PM (3/sUh)

147 Good thing I don't have any foreign friends.

or domestic friends either, for that matter.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 06:20 PM (7JbXq)

148 133. What? Of course they'll report on the Kremlin-funded international conspiracy of nationalists to oppress and punish TFG and Felonia Harkonnen for their valiant efforts to fight back against the white supremacist capitalist patriarchy.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 06:20 PM (fA1SL)

149 Hmmmm

Maybe we weren't so far off?

Posted by: John Birch Society at December 15, 2017 06:21 PM (3/sUh)

150 'He's waving his dick in our faces''

Bob is remarkedly un-endowed.

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:15 PM (UdKB7)
...........

Oh yeah? From what I see around this place you all may want to reconsider that pants thingy.

Posted by: Bob from NSA at December 15, 2017 06:22 PM (HgMAr)

151 The Deep State fought the law and the law lost.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at December 15, 2017 06:23 PM (Tyii7)

152 The FBI Is a criminal enterprise.

Shut this bitch down and start it from scratch.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2017 06:23 PM (5eI4E)

153 Luke Rosiak of The Daily Caller says "more than a dozen" House members will resign over "sexual harassment and secret settlements" within the next 72 hours.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 15, 2017 06:23 PM (398bZ)

154 Jamie Gorelick in your government agency is equivalent to Jim Cantore and a film crew at the head of your street before a hurricane.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 15, 2017 06:24 PM (hyuyC)

155 Reflecting on these tweets by Holder, and the day long freakout by all of the Never-Trumpers, not to mention the MSM - it occurs to me that they have all just realized that their entire gingerbread house is crumbling in front of their eyes. It's all falling apart and there's nothing they can do to save it, so they rage and make pointless threats.

But that's what's going on. They're figuring out that the game is over.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 06:24 PM (V2Yro)

156 136 if you've nothing to hide then all you need fear is a process crime.

Posted by: a lurker at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (JyPQf)

Why are these people talking to federal agents without a lawyer?

Unless I woke up in North Korea today you're under absolutely no obligation to speak to these people. And if you do, do it through a lawyer.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (4ErVI)

157 It is funny that the FBI is poking its "finger" in the eye of the folks that literally hold the power of the purse.

Want better behavior? 50% cut in staff in DC.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (7JbXq)

158 Simple solution is to scuttle the FBI, NSA, CIA and hire 1/10 the FTE into the new Trump Intelligence Agency (TIA).

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (r9UYA)

159 Paul Ryan is talking about spending more time with his family? Is he next? Did he really blow Al Franken in the coat closet? What about that babysitter? And that incident with the neighbor's dog? Is it all coming back to haunt him?

Posted by: jes sayin at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (UdKB7)

160 I was taking a nap. What happened?

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (Sfs6o)

161 Help me...I'm dying.

Posted by: The Rule of Law at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (Tyii7)

162 We are on the verge of becoming East Germany.


Dammit, that means our women's curling and beach volleyball teams will be on steroids!



(Agree with the prediction, btw, but couldn't help making the joke.)

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 06:26 PM (EzdLW)

163 155. Holder's kinda shaky, a really unstable type. Guys like him - lots of times, they just up and vanish, change their identities and start a new life in a new place and never look back. Just sayin'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 06:27 PM (fA1SL)

164 Well, if the incidence of Trolls is any indication, the Progs are getting nervous.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:27 PM (8bEU0)

165 I was taking a nap. What happened?

You should be ashamed.

Posted by: Jeff SezZzions at December 15, 2017 06:27 PM (Tyii7)

166 I could support, or quietly tolerate, such violations of the law if the people doing so were doing it only in cases where a real threat to life or security interests existed.

Posted by: Ace at 05:46 PM

Aren't FISA warrants supposed to be exactly this pathway around potential violations of the law in dire circumstances?

We know how well that worked.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 15, 2017 06:27 PM (wYseH)

167 'Oh yeah? From what I see around this place you all may want to reconsider that pants thingy.'

How can you see with my schadenboner blocking the view?

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:27 PM (UdKB7)

168 Now that I'm in Cancun Sonobi speaks Spanish.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 06:27 PM (TisfY)

169 Luke Rosiak of The Daily Caller says "more than a dozen" House members will resign over "sexual harassment and secret settlements" within the next 72 hours.

And their seats will be back-filled w/f*^ks of a different flavor.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2017 06:27 PM (ty7RM)

170 Luke Rosiak of The Daily Caller

And he knows this how?

Posted by: It's me donna at December 15, 2017 06:28 PM (O2RFr)

171 I've been thinking...and yes, I know how dangerous that is.

I have decided that the reason the usual suspects are have such a temper tantrum over the net neutrality non-issue is that they were/are planning to a giant free-shit army entitlement program related to the Internet. Think Obama's phones, but on a much, much larger scale. Complete with a Department of Digital Security.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 15, 2017 06:28 PM (oLgfC)

172 Resign in the next 72 hours?

Wimps!

-Hon Al Franken

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 06:28 PM (3myMJ)

173
I was taking a nap. What happened?

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (Sfs6o)

Bluebell nominated you to do the Deplorable Gourmet calendar and video.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 15, 2017 06:28 PM (wYseH)

174 Well,we have discovered a form of term limit....

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 06:28 PM (LiyEm)

175 >>Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 15, 2017 06:28 PM (oLgfC)


My thoughts were that their dreams of a Smart Grid hinged on the Net Neutrality Language.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:29 PM (8bEU0)

176 "more than a dozen"

D to R ratio 22 to 1?

Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (zOpu5)

177 If Paul Ryan groped anybody it will be male staffers....NTTAWWT

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (LiyEm)

178 Bluebell nominated you to do the Deplorable Gourmet calendar and video.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 15, 2017 06:28 PM (wYseH)
----------
Aw man!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (Sfs6o)

179 153 Luke Rosiak of The Daily Caller says "more than a dozen" House members will resign over "sexual harassment and secret settlements" within the next 72 hours.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 15, 2017 06:23 PM (398bZ

Schmucks, complete and utter useless tools

Posted by: Al "Grabbin' Tits" Franken at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (3/sUh)

180 'Bluebell nominated you to do the Deplorable Gourmet calendar and video.'

Oh boy! Will the calendar be scratch and sniff?

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (UdKB7)

181 "And he knows this how?"

I don't know. It's just what he posted in tweets today.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (398bZ)

182 >>I was taking a nap. What happened?


You missed the Cookbook Giveaway.


Everyone who posted in the last Thread got a Free Cookbook and and Ikea Wall Shelf.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (8bEU0)

183 Ryan new about these hush fund payoffs. I want his head on a platter.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (r9UYA)

184 Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 06:18 PM (HgMAr)

Term limits do no good, the CA state assembly is a perfect example, you still have corruption and sexual assault even with term limits.

Posted by: Surfperch at December 15, 2017 06:31 PM (gfU6H)

185 NBC just claimed that doubling the standard deduction will lead to less itemizing and that means no one will donate to charities anymore lol.

That is so fucking Lefty right there. Like people only give to charities because of a fucking tax break. That's something a Lefty would do.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:31 PM (4ErVI)

186
I don't know. It's just what he posted in tweets today.

Any hint of which party they belong?

Posted by: It's me donna at December 15, 2017 06:31 PM (O2RFr)

187
Everyone who posted in the last Thread got a Free Cookbook and and Ikea Wall Shelf.
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:30 PM (8bEU0

Where's my DeWalt cordless drill

Posted by: Ace's Handy Man at December 15, 2017 06:31 PM (3/sUh)

188 I was taking a nap. What happened?

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 06:25 PM (Sfs6o)

Bluebell nominated you to do the Deplorable Gourmet calendar and video.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo



In a thong.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 06:31 PM (GjTLE)

189 "Any hint of which party they belong?"

None that I saw.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 15, 2017 06:32 PM (398bZ)

190 Cool: Americas longest serving bomber rained death down on Taliban in Afghanistan last month. 19 J-DAM smart bombs.
Git some!
It's friggin' amazing the results you get when let the military do what they do: break things and kill people.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2017 06:32 PM (ty7RM)

191 >>I have decided that the reason the usual suspects are have such a temper tantrum over the net neutrality non-issue is that they were/are planning to a giant free-shit army entitlement program related to the Internet. Think Obama's phones, but on a much, much larger scale. Complete with a Department of Digital Security.

When you control the flow of information and control the content, real and Fusion like created, you pretty much win the game.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 06:32 PM (/tuJf)

192 I wonder what elected officials do to get blackmailable. I honestly don't think there's anything in my background that people could hold over my head. I mean I got drunk a few years ago and get teased about it but that's about.
My language can get rougher than some people would expect but that's kind of it.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 06:33 PM (Xx7dP)

193 Weasel has nothing on Rip Van Sessions

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 06:33 PM (aC6Sd)

194 None that I saw.

Dems then.

Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 06:33 PM (zOpu5)

195

#72Hours

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 06:33 PM (IqV8l)

196 "That is so fucking Lefty right there. Like people only give to charities because of a fucking tax break. That's something a Lefty would do."

Some truth there. Most Christians will continue to support their churches and other causes. I bet lefty causes like PBS take a big hit.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 06:34 PM (7JbXq)

197 NBC just claimed that doubling the standard deduction will lead to less itemizing and that means no one will donate to charities anymore lol.

That is so fucking Lefty right there. Like people only give to charities because of a fucking tax break. That's something a Lefty would do.


And, like they care. Lefties HATE charities. That's "investment" (spit!) that should be going to an alphabet soup agency.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (ty7RM)

198 "Any hint of which party they belong?"
.........

There's more than one?

Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (HgMAr)

199 I'm feeling rather parched...

Posted by: The Tree of Liberty at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (sdi6R)

200 I wonder what elected officials do to get blackmailable. I honestly don't think there's anything in my background that people could hold over my head. I mean I got drunk a few years ago and get teased about it but that's about.
My language can get rougher than some people would expect but that's kind of it.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 06:33 PM (Xx7dP)

You're a regular saint, aren't you? I on the other hand would cause so much pearl clutching there would be an oyster shortage. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (aMlLZ)

201 None that I saw.

Dems then.
Posted by: geoffb



Yeah. If it was 22 Repubs, they'd be singing it from the rooftops.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (GjTLE)

202 ZH has the text of the tax bill up. A svelte 1100 pages of "updates" to the 1986 law.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (BoMuO)

203 "reveals how edits to Comey's exoneration memo...edited out content that shows the FBI knew Hillary was intentionally in violation of the Espionage Act"

Is this as simple as these Mooks didn't know how to use the feature in Microsoft Word that lets you erase Track Changes. If you don't take the affirmative step of erasing Track Changes, it's all easily recoverable. Even show the author of the change
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (cAXIk)


I think it would be fair to say most government 'leadership' got to where they are by who they blew not what they knew.
Once there they direct all the peons, stuck in grade because somebody needs to do the actual work, to do whatever crazy shiite they come up with. Like hound government biological scientist because nobody could possibly grow anthrax.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (Eu5eZ)

204 My thoughts were that their dreams of a Smart Grid hinged on the Net Neutrality Language.
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:29 PM (8bEU0)



No problemo. We got this...

Posted by: General Electric - taking over where NN left off at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (EzdLW)

205 Its from yesterday the Daily Caller had a article on Hillary and Huma disappearing documents from her State Dept days.
She has been doing that since Arkansas

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (aC6Sd)

206 I wonder if Tom Cotton installed one of those industrial disinfecting showers in his office to try and cleanse himself before he goes home each day.

Posted by: RustyG at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (1Mft0)

207 Bob at NSA is just pissed because he found out I'm tapping more mish than he is.

Bob, it has be hypothesized that those penis pumps will give you cancer.

Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (A1FgP)

208 Conservatives speak of rule of law versus rule of men. What we see from Obama's reign of error is what happens when the president endorses the rule of men. There was a conscious intent to get rid of anyone who upheld the rule of law in the federal gov't as well as the military. It's not just the deep state; it is the elevation into leadership positions of people who are unprincipled.

Posted by: IanDeal at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (qcIL3)

209 Homemade peppermint bark. Mmmm.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (Dp6qK)

210 The hell with donating my underwear under these new tax rules!

Posted by: BJ "Cutter" Clintoon at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (3myMJ)

211 One major problem with declaring that you will not speak to federal agents is that they will get a warrant for your arrest as a material witness (if they don't have one in their pocket) and take you off to a federal holding pen with little to no outside communication, no lawyer, no bail, no hearing.

They do that ALL THE TIME. All they need to do is justify it to a rubber stamp judge. And BOOM you're gone.

Gee. It sounds like stuff we were told about being done in the USSR not that long ago.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (M06hO)

212 There's more than one?
Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (HgMAr)

You just won the turkey shoot today.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (ty7RM)

213 And, like they care. Lefties HATE charities. That's "investment" (spit!) that should be going to an alphabet soup agency.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (ty7RM)

They'll do it for the tax break. They're all about paying as little as possible while wanting you to pay more.

Remember Hillary donating Bill's underwear and itemizing it? Wasn't it some huge amount too?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (4ErVI)

214 Would be fun to hack/spoof Holder's Twitter. Message: 'I've done all i can. Save yourself.'

See how many people vanish overnight.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 06:37 PM (fA1SL)

215 >>Homemade peppermint bark. Mmmm.


I had Peanut Brittle and Coffee for breakfast.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:37 PM (8bEU0)

216 Like people only give to charities because of a fucking tax break.

I don't even claim any of my charitable contributions because I don't want the feds to know about it.

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 06:37 PM (eIQHF)

217 I had heard that some in the Left were looking into the tax exempt status of churches, but it never got traction because of mosques and how it would affect them, beingplaces of worship.

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 06:37 PM (zSVEm)

218 Lefties HATE charities.

They consider confiscatory taxation their charitable contribution.

Posted by: Jeff SezZzions at December 15, 2017 06:38 PM (Tyii7)

219 Is this as simple as these Mooks didn't know how to use the feature in Microsoft Word that lets you erase Track Changes. If you don't take the affirmative step of erasing Track Changes, it's all easily recoverable. Even show the author of the change
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 06:05 PM (cAXIk)

I wonder if it was arrogance or stupidity that caused them not to scrub their metadata.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:38 PM (NWiLs)

220 Funny NBC actually mentioned the record number of judges Trump has gotten through.

A story not talked about nearly enough, but one that is likely to be one of his most enduring legacies after he leaves office in seven years.

Looked it up last night. He's nominated FIFTY so far and gotten 19 through.

Faster, please, FASTER

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (4ErVI)

221 Not breaking news.

Did anyone think for a minute there is not a Lois Lerner in the NSA ?

And fuck you, Bob.

Posted by: golfman at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (nVcge)

222 You know, I have been thinking a lot on the recent discussion on the advancement of AI...

Why do we need Judges, anymore?

We have the Constitution, Original Texts...

Seems to me AI is the answer to many of our Judiciary woes.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (8bEU0)

223 I on the other hand would cause so much pearl clutching there would be an oyster shortage. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (aMlLZ)

Road tramp players are in our own category when it comes to skeletons.

Posted by: BJ at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (3myMJ)

224 219

I wonder if it was arrogance or stupidity that caused them not to scrub their metadata.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:38 PM (NWiLs)

Yes.

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (zSVEm)

225 NOOD! GAINZZZZZZZ...

Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (e9G8E)

226 Bubba's underwear need to go into the Biohazard bin....

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (LiyEm)

227 Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 06:33 PM (aC6Sd)

Huh! Did someone say my name!
Oh well back to sleep.

Zzzzzzz

Posted by: Rip Van Sessions at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (gfU6H)

228 sock partial fail

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (3myMJ)

229 Too bad Bob at the NSA doesn't have time on his busy Gestapo schedule to look into that little angel Doug Jones.

Bet Doug has talked to lots of foreners.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 15, 2017 06:40 PM (EoRCO)

230 196 "That is so fucking Lefty right there. Like people only give to charities because of a fucking tax break. That's something a Lefty would do."

Some truth there. Most Christians will continue to support their churches and other causes. I bet lefty causes like PBS take a big hit.

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 06:34 PM (7JbXq


I give to our church and synod.
I give to a couple of health groups.
I will continue to give
It doesn't matter what the tax code is
I believe in the groups I donate to.

Posted by: Ace's Handy Man at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (3/sUh)

231 off sock

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (3/sUh)

232 How do we know you are an immediate threat unless we listen to all of
your phone calls, read all of your emails, track all of your web
searches, and watch all of your financial transactions? If you aren't
doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear, right?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (BoMuO)



Along with the "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to
worry about." We have a government weaponized against its citizenry,
with a corrupt intelligence-gathering and law-enforcement apparatuses.
We're just a few denunciations and show trials away from the Soviet.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (NWiLs)


The current level of surveillance is a technological proxy for quartering soldiers in homes. The 3rd amendment wasn't about free lodging, it was about 24/7 surveillance.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (Eu5eZ)

233 The FBI can't be trusted, shut the program down or deny the FBI crooks access to any of NSA programs. First it's Trump then it's his voters we can't trust the FBI or justice department.

Posted by: Rose at December 15, 2017 06:42 PM (30UCB)

234 209 Homemade peppermint bark. Mmmm.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2017 06:36 PM (Dp6qK)

Told golflady I was gonna make my own.

Too expensive in the stores.

Posted by: golfman at December 15, 2017 06:42 PM (nVcge)

235 "The 3rd amendment wasn't about free lodging, it was about 24/7 surveillance."

Good point. If the 3rd's penumbra is good enough to support abortion rights ...

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 06:42 PM (cAXIk)

236 'A story not talked about nearly enough, but one that is likely to be one of his most enduring legacies after he leaves office in seven years. '

Yes, along with all the regulations that he has already slashed.

If Trump serves two terms, he could theoretically get four SCOTUS picks. If you don't think this is why the Left is so desperate to get rid of him......

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 06:42 PM (ALDN3)

237 I would suggest instead of exceptions on the ticking time bomb issue, make it a justification defense.

Self defense is one such defense where the person has to admit guilt then must submit evidence that the action was justified to a jury and judge.

Most civilians think long and hard before actually pulling the trigger so to speak due to legal jeopardy. Our overlords should have to do the same.

Posted by: whig at December 15, 2017 06:43 PM (qrAwo)

238 Hmm. Blowing up on twitter right now, DOJ did not consult with the OIG before releasing the texts to Congress and the media.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 06:43 PM (/tuJf)

239 Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (LiyEm)
Gross!
No way am I accepting that!!

Posted by: A Biohazard Bin at December 15, 2017 06:43 PM (gfU6H)

240
Remember Hillary donating Bill's underwear and itemizing it? Wasn't it some huge amount too?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis


They were collector's items. Probably show up on American Pickers some day.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 06:43 PM (IqV8l)

241 'Seems to me AI is the answer to many of our Judiciary woes.'

With the wise Latina, we already have artificial intelligence on the Court.

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 06:44 PM (ALDN3)

242 I on the other hand would cause so much pearl clutching there would be an oyster shortage. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 06:35 PM (aMlLZ)

Road tramp players are in our own category when it comes to skeletons.

Posted by: BJ at December 15, 2017 06:39 PM (3myMJ)


I always said my closet looks like a medieval ossuary.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 06:44 PM (aMlLZ)

243 'DOJ did not consult with the OIG before releasing the texts to Congress and the media.'

What was it, a modified limited hangout?

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 06:45 PM (ALDN3)

244 Homemade peppermint bark?

Recipe please!

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 06:45 PM (7JbXq)

245 134 We are on the verge of becoming East Germany.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 06:15 PM (3/sUh)

I remember seeing a Documentary and they had all the these jars with some type of clothing in them so that if needed they could use dogs to track you down.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 06:46 PM (dKiJG)

246 >>> Recipe please!

Step 1: Grow a peppermint tree.

Posted by: fluffy at December 15, 2017 06:48 PM (cHbmY)

247 232
The current level of surveillance is a technological proxy for quartering soldiers in homes. The 3rd amendment wasn't about free lodging, it was about 24/7 surveillance.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (Eu5eZ)


That's interesting. I never thought of it that way before.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 06:49 PM (sdi6R)

248 37 But this also goes more towards supporting my theory that Gen Mike Rogers is the one who warned Trump because he knows that Comey and the FBI were spying on his administration before they even got the FISA warrant. I think they may have gotten the warrant more to cover their actions than as a prerequisite to spy.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (/tuJf)

-------

Agreed

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 06:50 PM (3svUe)

249 The whistleblowers said the program established after the September 11, 2001, attacks has not been successful in preventing terror threats, but instead infringes on privacy rights and could easily be abused for political purposes. Those concerns were also voiced to then FBI Director James Comey in 2014

---

...and his eyes lit up strangely.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 15, 2017 06:55 PM (jVm2N)

250 Agreed

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 06:50 PM (3svUe)

There has been a lull in the Susan Rice unmasking story

Posted by: Miklos Molnar, not from DDR at December 15, 2017 06:56 PM (zCyNd)

251 I always said my closet looks like a medieval ossuary.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Divison at December 15, 2017 06:44 PM (aMlLZ)

Newsletter?

Posted by: Association of Tzampotli Hobbyists at December 15, 2017 06:57 PM (zCyNd)

252 Here it is. Pay attention to me when I tell you again. The GOPe has a plan to hand over both houses to the demoncrats next year. You know in your heart it's true.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 06:58 PM (zLDYs)

253 The current level of surveillance is a technological proxy for quartering soldiers in homes. The 3rd amendment wasn't about free lodging, it was about 24/7 surveillance.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (Eu5eZ)


That's interesting. I never thought of it that way before.Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 06:49 PM (sdi6R)

WOW.
Can't believe I didn't see that before.



Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2017 06:59 PM (eO5CB)

254 'The GOPe has a plan to hand over both houses to the demoncrats next year. You know in your heart it's true.'

Oh thank you so very fucking much.

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 06:59 PM (UdKB7)

255 Here it is. Pay attention to me when I tell you again. The GOPe has a plan to hand over both houses to the demoncrats next year. You know in your heart it's true.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 06:58 PM (zLDYs)

Respectfully, not true.

They don't control what they think they control.

Posted by: Association of Hungarian Tzampotli Hobbyists at December 15, 2017 07:00 PM (zCyNd)

256 Something, something, essential liberty, something, safety, something, something.

Posted by: Butch at December 15, 2017 07:00 PM (hXu8T)

257 Another post-9/11 gift from Dubya.

Posted by: Butch at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (hXu8T)

258 252 Here it is. Pay attention to me when I tell you again. The GOPe has a plan to hand over both houses to the demoncrats next year. You know in your heart it's true.
Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 06:58 PM (zLDYs)


I've also been saying that. The Alabama election was a preview of the 2018 midterms. The GOPE wing of the Uniparty is going to give control of Congress to the Demoncrat wing of the Uniparty, and then join forces for impeachment.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (sdi6R)

259 Now you've got me believing that and it's going to come true you'll see and it will be all your fault!

Posted by: freaked at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (UdKB7)

260 Bill Kristol's Jim Comey Dildo

Available in life-size!

Posted by: 1921 C DRUM at December 15, 2017 07:04 PM (h7sWp)

261
I've also been saying that. The Alabama election was a preview of the 2018 midterms. The GOPE wing of the Uniparty is going to give control of Congress to the Demoncrat wing of the Uniparty, and then join forces for impeachment.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 07:01 PM (sdi6R)

I beg to differ. They have not the courage to strike at the King (the people, represented by Trump).

They expected the Permanent Government to do the deed, and those have failed.

Take note of who is leaving-Flake, Corker-their time is done.

Posted by: Official University Certified Political Scientist at December 15, 2017 07:06 PM (zCyNd)

262 The government spent more time spying on contributors to the Scott Walker campaign than the Tsarnaev Brothers. They're building a virtual wall, but it's to keep us in.

Posted by: Al Gore's Turgid Chakra at December 15, 2017 07:08 PM (lnUUQ)

263 Eliminate the FBI.

Cowards and bullies with badges they have become.

Not to mention traitors and preverts

The FBI has become the Sicherheitsdeinst.

The "Blond Beast" would be so proud.

Posted by: 1921 C DRUM at December 15, 2017 07:10 PM (h7sWp)

264 Hey, I don't want it to be true. But what else could it be? I believe in GOD's Will. If He gave us another chance with President Trump to turn America from its wicked ways then we need to git 'er dun. I doubt we get another chance.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 07:11 PM (zLDYs)

265 261
I beg to differ. They have not the courage to strike at the King (the people, represented by Trump).

Posted by: Official University Certified Political Scientist at December 15, 2017 07:06 PM (zCyNd)


I hope you're right, but they don't regard We the People as King. They regard us as serfs who have forgotten our place.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 07:12 PM (sdi6R)

266 "Since 9/11/01?" So all George Booshes fault I see.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 15, 2017 07:13 PM (DOQ/y)

267 rickl

How are you doing? The cheerleading nurses still cute?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 15, 2017 07:13 PM (hyuyC)

268 267 rickl

How are you doing? The cheerleading nurses still cute?
Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 15, 2017 07:13 PM (hyuyC)


Thanks, I feel fine. When I was in for my treatment last week, there were several cute ones.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 07:15 PM (sdi6R)

269 Here is the thing though - they were made to believe that Trump was a fascist dictator. People like Hillary, Obama, and fusion GPS - that is the story they sold. Trump=Hitler. They said that because, well, how the hell else could Hillary Clinton ever get the nod? Mind you, Trump is not Hitler. It was laughable. But before the election, that is what these people thought. Only by cooperating and abusing every power they had could America be protected from Hitler. Obama and Hillary corrupted a bevy of otherwise fairly decent people to do their dark bidding.

Now the election is over. they realize they failed. Worse, some may even have an inkling that Trump is not Hitler. But they are good people. they made an honest mistake. Should they be punished for caring about America so. damn. much? That is where we are at. that is why these abuses are being hidden, protected. because way to many people were involved, and those involved thought they were doing the right thing.

They don't realize the only Hitler in this equation was each and every one of them.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 15, 2017 07:24 PM (fftfA)

270 Should a man sent back in time to kill baby Hitler be punished? Why, if we all only knew what he knew, coming from the future! he did us all a huge favor! All we see is the poor, dead baby with a little mustache. We should see him as a hero! It is a terrible injustice that he was caught and punished!

THAT is how Comey et al see themselves. That is why they did what they did. That is why Comey takes picture of himself starring into the distance at lady liberty. That is why they lie.

They don't recognize how terrible what they did actually is. How they are exactly what they fear most. At best, a few, might think they made an honest mistake. The rest feel like fucking heroes! Heroes don't lose their jobs! Heroes don't get demoted! Heroes ...gulp...don't go to jail! They get statues and parades...

Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 15, 2017 07:32 PM (fftfA)

271 So, the path to redemption is simple. Explain to them how what they did was a gross injustice to our society. An abuse of powers. And that even Hitler was not worth that. Explain to them how the correct thing to do, the noble path, is to admit and explain what they did and why. Cincinnatus and Washington went back to the plow. Heroes sacrifice. they don't hide, and lie, and snivel....and they don't fall on their sword for those that do.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 15, 2017 07:35 PM (fftfA)

272 Now the election is over. they realize they failed. Worse, some may even have an inkling that Trump is not Hitler. But they are good people. they made an honest mistake. Should they be punished for caring about America so. damn. much? That is where we are at. that is why these abuses are being hidden, protected. because way to many people were involved, and those involved thought they were doing the right thing.

They don't realize the only Hitler in this equation was each and every one of them.
Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 15, 2017 07:24 PM (fftfA)

Not too many of them, just a small matter of logistics.
I used to have some CDs with canned plans from 20 years ago when I was an Army engineer. A POW camp for 10,000 was among them, with option for cold climate. Modular design, can be built from a small core and just keep adding sectors. Do the whole thing in months while filling up the place.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 07:36 PM (Eu5eZ)

Slate or Weekly Standard?

Quick guessing game: Does this headline and opening line come from Slate, or the "conservative" magazine Weekly Standard?

Trump Calls FBI 'Disgraceful' En Route to Speech in Which He Called Himself a 'Loyal Champion' of Police

...

Donald Trump's Friday morning appearances were an amusing reminder of a central presidential incongruity: He loves and supports law enforcement, except the ones trying to enforce the law on him.

No one give the answer in the comments for the first 60 responses or so. Just give your guesses (or, if you already know, refrain from answering).

Answer: In white font, so you have to scroll over and hold like you're trying to copy a link to see it:

It's the Weekly Standard. Obviously. Like their role models at the New York Times, they are still incapable of reporting the "insurance policy" text.

Posted by: Ace at 04:51 PM




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1 cancelled my Standard

Posted by: Avi at December 15, 2017 04:52 PM (+Anjo)

2
Gotta be our hero cruise operators, amiright?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 04:52 PM (mbhDw)

3 weekly standard is my guess

Posted by: Ann at December 15, 2017 04:52 PM (jtHQy)

4 WS

Posted by: Walsingham at December 15, 2017 04:52 PM (dCigj)

5
Not "enforce the law on him" but more like "force the law on him."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 04:53 PM (mbhDw)

6 Weekly Standard?

Posted by: Seems Legit at December 15, 2017 04:53 PM (U+nHb)

7 I'll guess WS because of "en route" and the phrasing in general.

Posted by: cfo mom at December 15, 2017 04:54 PM (RfzVr)

8 Gonna guess Slate just to be contrarian.

Posted by: Austin in TX at December 15, 2017 04:55 PM (OHw/n)

9 At least employees of the Weekly Standard will have their principles as they finish your burger with fries.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 15, 2017 04:55 PM (4e+hS)

10 Maybe those who don't know the difference between "police"
and "FBI"?

Posted by: boynsea at December 15, 2017 04:55 PM (Kh5Q4)

11 assuming im not unique , and am not the only person to cancel the Standard, and it was always losing money anyway, how is it still publishing?

Posted by: Avi at December 15, 2017 04:55 PM (+Anjo)

12 Weekly Standard is my guess. Because using "incongruity" is just too difficult for the retards at Slate.

Posted by: prescient11 at December 15, 2017 04:55 PM (q+HNC)

13 Even the numbskulls at Think Progress would know the difference between FBI and local police.

Posted by: mark1971 at December 15, 2017 04:55 PM (xPl2J)

14
Is it me or are these weakly standard cocklickahs avoiding referring to President Trump as "president?"

Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 15, 2017 04:56 PM (vRoC8)

15 Bill kristol furiously masturbating with his James Comey dildo and Bill and Hillary Clinton matching doll set.

What do I win?

Posted by: Sharkman at December 15, 2017 04:56 PM (0oDnb)

16
My wife always guesses these type of questions. She knows I wouldn't be asking them if the Bizarro World did not exist.

Posted by: Acme Explosives at December 15, 2017 04:57 PM (ajiE5)

17 There are no Standards anymore, weekly or otherwise.

Posted by: Joe Mama at December 15, 2017 04:57 PM (YinAC)

18
btw, why did Ace forget to call the SalonHot25 the SalonHot25 in the post below about the SalonHot25?

Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 15, 2017 04:57 PM (vRoC8)

19 I'd guess Weekly Standard. Because it's way too obvious.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at December 15, 2017 04:57 PM (/o9Qk)

20 I'm afraid it's Hustler.
(Are they still around?)

Posted by: Roman Maroni at December 15, 2017 04:57 PM (KCCgc)

21 Oh Ace, you're so clever, it's a trick question
and the answer is




New Republic

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 04:57 PM (3/sUh)

22

So they all Scrolled Over
and One fell out
There were 8 in the bed
and the little Ewok said

Scroll Over, Scroll Over

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:57 PM (8bEU0)

23 Ace is probably trolling us and it is neither.

Posted by: cfo mom at December 15, 2017 04:57 PM (RfzVr)

24 Of course it's the "Forehead" Bill Kristol. His inner.lesbian liberal Socialist self talking
No doubt. The Weekly Standard pile of steaming shit.

Posted by: Blogforce 100 at December 15, 2017 04:58 PM (qNHAw)

25
I worked for the Slate marketing dept. briefly. Sounds like Kristol Meth.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 04:58 PM (mbhDw)

26 OT. Jason, the UPS man, has just delivered my own personal copy of The Deplorable Gourmet. Ain't life grand?

Posted by: Zardoz at December 15, 2017 04:58 PM (SdQYI)

27 Sonobi?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 04:58 PM (MINbv)

28 15 Bill kristol furiously masturbating with his James Comey dildo and Bill and Hillary Clinton matching doll set.

What do I win?
Posted by: Sharkman at December 15, 2017 04:56 PM (0oDnb)


My ruined laptop cuz coffee was spewed all over it!!!!

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 15, 2017 04:58 PM (3/sUh)

29
Spoiler!

It's the Weekly Standard. Obviously. Like their role models at the New York Times, they are still incapable of reporting the "insurance policy" text.

Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 15, 2017 04:58 PM (vRoC8)

30 He loves and supports law enforcement, except the ones trying to enforce the law on him.



Because the FBI being political hacks for the DNC is enforcing the law

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 04:58 PM (493sH)

31 Ill go with trick question....its Natioanl Review

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:58 PM (saprv)

32 7 Corker's a putz.. I wonder what greased the skids, as it were?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (so+oy)


Hustler in Spanish; "El Hustlero."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 04:58 PM (mbhDw)

33 Speaking of the Weekly Standard, BTW, Bill Kristol's daughter is married to the head honcho at the Washington Free Beacon. Why is that important? Because the WFB started the Fusion dossier.


Muh conservative!! Muh principles!! Slime all the way down. Although only Killary and the DNC paid Russian spies through cutouts for the real juicy details like pee pee gate.

Posted by: prescient11 at December 15, 2017 04:59 PM (q+HNC)

34 *Horshack arm up*
Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! Mr Ace, can we post comments in this invisible font?

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 04:59 PM (EzdLW)

35 Look out, your weekly standards are slipping!

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 04:59 PM (hvf9s)

36 What difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: random lurker commenter at December 15, 2017 05:00 PM (dab45)

37 Weekly Standard, because of the almost Nordling-esque phrasing (yeah I know he's NR).

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 05:00 PM (qJtVm)

38 All I read at The Weakly Standard is Tuesday Morning Quarterback.

Easterbrook can't stand The Donald, but at least I know what to expect politically from him.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:00 PM (GsAUU)

39 Clearly that was Vox.

LizLem, as someone for whom the student loan interest deduction is the only one I get, I say fine. Nothing will ever change if I won't give up things that help me.

Also, isn't the standard deduction doubling? That will far more than make up for it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 05:00 PM (dEQP3)

40 Scroll Over, Scroll Over

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:57 PM (8bEU0)
======================

I love that song!

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 05:01 PM (lwiT4)

41 That assholeTrump can't keep from defending himself and pointing out the obvious biases of people trying to overturn the will of the voters..geesh

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 05:01 PM (LiyEm)

42 This is like a $100 Jeopardy! answer. I'll wait for a question further down the column of the category 'Fake Conservatives'.

Posted by: DaveD at December 15, 2017 05:01 PM (P5fqQ)

43 33 Posted by: prescient11 at December 15, 2017 04:59 PM (q+HNC)

It should be noted that Matt (In)Continetti did contract Fusion GPS for oppo research but they claim they did not hire them to fabricate it, and fired them early on.

Just for the record, for whatever it's worth.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 05:01 PM (mbhDw)

44
Donald Trump's Friday morning appearances were an amusing reminder of a central presidential incongruity: He loves and supports law enforcement, except the ones trying to enforce the law on him.


What law are they trying to enforce on Trump?

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (lKyWE)

45 weekly standard is my guess
When are they doing a story about aliens visiting the White House ?

Posted by: Harley1911 at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (5XZ7Q)

46 It's rolling stone. Or maybe screw.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (zLDYs)

47 Speaking of Jay Nordlinger wasn't one of his high brow culture guys also now accused of sexual harassment?

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (LiyEm)

48 44 What law are they trying to enforce on Trump?
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (lKyWE)


The Nuremburg Laws.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (mbhDw)

49 Cruise over country!!!!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (3BFzK)

50 I guessed Weekly Standard . . . and I was right!

So - has anyone pointed out to the so-called "conservative" Weekly Standard, that the FBI is NOT a national police force? Or is it simply not worth the time at this point? (hint - It is the investigatory arm of the DOJ).

F*cking retards


Posted by: Publius Redux at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (Fb9aZ)

51 Slate or Weekly Standard?

Trump Calls FBI 'Disgraceful' En Route to Speech in Which He Called Himself a 'Loyal Champion' of Police


No idea ... but the FBI are not "police".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (8gDQu)

52 2
Gotta be our hero cruise operators, amiright?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 04:52 PM (mbhDw)

Suddenly I realize the whole election is Al Czervik dropping his anchor through Judge Smails little sail boat.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (4ErVI)

53 You mean this isn't from ESPN.com?

Posted by: wooga at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (uCYAx)

54 It's as if the entire GOPe pointed at him like Donald Sutherland and made this hissing noise.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (miAtr)

55 http://bit.ly/2kzlRi3 OT

Did Sara Carter Just Uncover The FBI And James Comeys Next Spy Scandal?

A whistleblower has come forward to reveal the FBI is using NSA surveillance tools to spy on Americans says rockstar reporter Sara Carter.

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (y3aQB)

56
What law are they trying to enforce on Trump?

The laws they made up, I think.

Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 15, 2017 05:03 PM (vRoC8)

57 47 Speaking of Jay Nordlinger wasn't one of his high brow culture guys also now accused of sexual harassment?
Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (LiyEm)
---
You don't mean Levine, do you?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 05:03 PM (qJtVm)

58 If Mx Krystol and the rest of the NeverTrumpers were truly conservative, right about now they should be looking back at trump's first year and saying "We were wrong, he is actually doing pretty well" But of course, they are not Conservative, so maybe it is time for them to drop the pretense.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:03 PM (BoMuO)

59 NeverTrump has proven itself, beyond any question, to be progressives
Any benefit of the doubt I gave them during the GE is over Trump has governed more conservatively than our last 4 Presidents and certainly more conservatively than any President named Bush.
And further, more conservatively than Reagan too. There. I said it.
Now there can be honest debate about whether he's governing more conservatively than Reagan, but the fact that he's governed more conservatively than the l last 4 is not subject to debate. Yet the NeverTrumps hate him with the same passion. Hence my conclusion -' Weekly Standard *is* Slate. No difference except for marketing

Posted by: Dancing Queen at December 15, 2017 05:03 PM (lZaEn)

60 Both?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 05:03 PM (GjTLE)

61 I didn't see Invisible Font anywhere in 1978.

Posted by: DaveA at December 15, 2017 05:03 PM (FhXTo)

62 I don't read either publication, so I cheated and peeked.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (xjiRE)

63 Weekly Standard is also offering a free pin up calendar with a new subscription. It's twelve months of Jen Rubin in a thong and pasties.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (4ErVI)

64 How does the Weekly Standard stay in business?

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (r9UYA)

65 Posted by: Publius Redux at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (Fb9aZ)

Damn!!! You beat me by |--| that much.

Good job.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (8gDQu)

66 >>Cruise over country!!!!


The Loooove Boat....

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (/tuJf)

67 >>>No idea ... but the FBI are not "police".
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (8gDQu)

Oh they know that. They are willfully misinterpreting Trump in order to smear him.

Posted by: Max Power at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (q177U)

68 Didn't see or hear this but Weekly Standard sounds Never Trump more than Anti Trump

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (aC6Sd)

69 I hate to dump this here now, but please pray from my grandmom.

She's my son's last living great-grandparent (and my last living grandparent). My brother is going to visit her tomorrow and call me, but we're not sure if she'll make the night (which is why I'm not waiting for open thread). She's already had Last Rites.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (GsAUU)

70 With his Aristocratic nose and
His Autocratic voice,
Ol' Billy the K is unhappy
He's not the Conservatives choice.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (M06hO)

71 Matt (In)Continetti did contract Fusion GPS
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 05:01 PM (mbhDw)

is that why he's incontinetti? do you think he'll recover

Posted by: random lurker commenter at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (dab45)

72 >>> assuming im not unique , and am not the only person to cancel the Standard, and it was always losing money anyway, how is it still publishing?

billionaire patron.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (8rNrN)

73 Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 05:00 PM (dEQP3)

Thank you lovely one! I will have her check her new standard deductions and see if it helps the sting of losing the student loan deductions. Of course she lives in NYC so maybe not...

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (hvf9s)

74 If you're on the Food Thread and you scroll over and hold like you're trying to copy a link to see it, it reveals the 11 herbs and spices in the Colonel's secret recipe.

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (EzdLW)

75 So many in MSM were so wrong about Trump's chances of winning the 2016 election.

Right now there's enough dots on the page that you can see the cat -- the attempted soft coup by the Deep State -- unless you don't want to.

When the Big Reveal happens, MSM will once again be caught on the wrong history. Last time they could argue it was negligence. This time it will be clearly gross negligence. Intentional, even.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (cAXIk)

76 I asked this in the earlier thread, but is the Weekly Standard as quiet on most of the Fusion GPS connected stuff as the Washington Free Beacon is? Because the Beacon ignores stories about that like the plague, because you know they are connected to it and admitted to paying Fusion. The were awfully quiet before they admitted that fact too. Is the Weekly Standard in the same boat, and just let Krystal's Son-in-Law take the heat at his site instead of the "prestigious" Weakly Standard?

Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 05:05 PM (lKs2v)

77 Trump has ripped the mask off more frauds than the Mystery Machine crew in Scooby Doo...

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 05:05 PM (LiyEm)

78 logprof, I'm sorry. Prayers up for you and yours.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 05:05 PM (dEQP3)

79 The Weakly Standard.

A publication that offers the weak, standard liberal non-defense of Traditionalist Conservatism.

Posted by: Anonymous 7 at December 15, 2017 05:05 PM (rKka5)

80 Any transcripts of the pre-speech and speech available?

Posted by: DaveA at December 15, 2017 05:06 PM (FhXTo)

81 billionaire patron.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (8rNrN)


The good ol' Vanity Press!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 05:06 PM (8gDQu)

82 64 How does the Weekly Standard stay in business?

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (r9UYA)

--They're paywall, but they give free trials. Don't know if they still have the dead tree version anymore.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:06 PM (GsAUU)

83 Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:03 PM (BoMuO)

Some (I say SOME) at the National Review are starting to realize this.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 15, 2017 05:06 PM (M06hO)

84
Keep in mind, the "weekly standard" can continue on forever with:

An internet connection, 1 Twitter Account, and just 1 jerkoff to make tweets.

Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 15, 2017 05:06 PM (vRoC8)

85 Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (GsAUU)



Prayers, logprof

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:06 PM (BoMuO)

86 Oh Billy, I just got my Spanx form Amazon come on up and take a look.

Posted by: Amy Schumer at December 15, 2017 05:07 PM (3BFzK)

87 logprof - I'll pray for your grandma.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 05:07 PM (lwiT4)

88 43 33 Posted by: prescient11 at December 15, 2017 04:59 PM (q+HNC)

It should be noted that Matt (In)Continetti did contract Fusion GPS for oppo research but they claim they did not hire them to fabricate it, and fired them early on.

Just for the record, for whatever it's worth.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 05:01 PM (mbhDw)



Of course they still don't want to admit which Republican Primary candidates they were paying Fusion GPS to get oppo research on. And which candidates they were not looking into.

For some reason I suspect little marco and please clap were not on the hit list.

Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 05:07 PM (lKs2v)

89 Slate or Weekly Standard?

Voxers or Queefs?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 05:07 PM (mbhDw)

90 I love Weekly Standard for its Alabama values.

Posted by: Richard Shelby at December 15, 2017 05:08 PM (398bZ)

91 "He loves and supports law enforcement, except the ones trying to enforce the law on him" is so ungrammatical I'm going with Cloggenstein's Blog.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 15, 2017 05:08 PM (W/SyC)

92 69
I hate to dump this here now, but please pray from my grandmom.



She's my son's last living great-grandparent (and my last living
grandparent). My brother is going to visit her tomorrow and call me, but
we're not sure if she'll make the night (which is why I'm not waiting
for open thread). She's already had Last Rites.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (GsAUU)

****
Logprof
Prayer sent - ! I hope you are able to see her and be bedside - prayers to you and your family.

I lost my last great grandparent many years ago - I was lucky enough to know and loved her well before she passed.

Posted by: Publius Redux at December 15, 2017 05:08 PM (Fb9aZ)

93 I miss the Weekly World News.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 05:09 PM (Sfs6o)

94 wouldn't you love to see Krystol molested by Harvey and then Kevin

Posted by: Avi at December 15, 2017 05:09 PM (+Anjo)

95 Michael Mukasey made a great point on Lou Dobbs last night: Mueller is not investigating any crimes. His charter is to investigate "collusion" between Trump's campaign and Russia, and also Russian interference in the election. Collusion with Russia is not a crime.

Mueller's investigation is entirely political. It is designed only to embarrass the President. No one will go to jail for collusion.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at December 15, 2017 05:09 PM (ylUqT)

96 @RepAdamSchiff
Im increasingly worried Republicans will shut down the House Intelligence Committee investigation at the end of the month.

@TheLastRefuge2
his is codespeak for @RepAdamSchiff realizing hes under investigation (as a leaker) and the entire House Intelligence Committee, including all staff, are being monitored by the new joint FBI/DOJ task force.

@Thomas1774Paine
Schiff seems over nervous. Even for a rat.
Expect something big to happen involving Congress.
You can always tell by the rats.

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 05:09 PM (y3aQB)

97 >>82 64 How does the Weekly Standard stay in business?

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (r9UYA)

--They're paywall, but they give free trials. Don't know if they still have the dead tree version anymore.
-----
I see ace's response to the same question asked earlier.
-----
billionaire patron.

Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (8rNrN)

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 05:10 PM (r9UYA)

98 >>> Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (GsAUU)

Prayers and blessings to her and your family, logprof.

I don't regret not yet having kids. But by the time I do, there's a change my one surviving grandparent will be gone. She's doing pretty well but you never know. How do I pass on the legacy she left me in way that they will understand, if they never know her in this life? It's something I worry about.

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 05:10 PM (hvf9s)

99 She's already had Last Rites.
Posted by: logprof



:-(
So sorry to hear that. My condolences.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 05:10 PM (GjTLE)

100 On the left all the little people in institutions are just there to follow the orders and preferences of those who are the great leaders. Thus to slam the leader is to slam the entire institution and all that are in it.

Trump is slamming the corrupt leaders of the Obama FBI, DOJ, IC institutions so of course a left leaning publication would consider that a slam on the whole of the collective-living-breathing-body that an institution is. A living creature much more than any little human could ever be.

Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 05:10 PM (zOpu5)

101 That you MAGA hat wearing mouth breathers would blindly support Trump as he goes on the attack against the institutions that defend this nation shows the obvious havoc that opiate and meth addiction wreaks across the shanty towns and trailer parks of the Deep South, Appalachia, and the Rust Belt of America! Stick to cleaning your assault weapons and leave the running of the nation to your betters!
Cheers!

Posted by: The Salon Hot 25 at December 15, 2017 05:10 PM (O5Q3r)

102 Heh. I just saw this at Zerohedge:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-15/what-we-learned-week

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 05:10 PM (xjiRE)

103 Teen Vogue.

Weekly Standard and Slate wish they had the reach and attention of influencing real politik like Lauren Duca and her dick-biting click bait tweets do.

Posted by: Carlos Danger at December 15, 2017 05:11 PM (ce4vQ)

104 I hate to dump this here now, but please pray from my grandmom.

posted by: logprof
---
Of course logprof. Grammies are the best.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2017 05:11 PM (tr2D7)

105 Zman had a good article up the other day about these people. In his article he talked about the American Spectator. In a nutshell all these magazines and think tanks are a scam, just like the media. They're all funded by rich people so they can extol policies that valorize rich people. Most if not all of the people writing for these rags are paid shills for the elites. They make a pretty good living at it, too. Sitting around smelling each others' watercress farts while pumping out another article on Muh outsourcing or Muh hardworking illegal aliens.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 05:11 PM (4ErVI)

106 She's already had Last Rites.
Posted by: logprof

So sorry. Prayers sent.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 05:12 PM (r9UYA)

107 Posted by: The Salon Hot 25 at December 15, 2017 05:10 PM (O5Q3r)

Troll or Excellent parody?

Posted by: jakee308 at December 15, 2017 05:12 PM (M06hO)

108 It's twelve months of Jen Rubin in a thong and pasties."

You get 2 Yokos for that.

Keep it up, willya?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 05:12 PM (MINbv)

109 93 I miss the Weekly World News.
Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 05:09 PM (Sfs6o)




You know, "Ed Anger", the WWN parody right-wing op-ed character, made more rational editorials than Billy Kristol now does. Or Kevin Williamson. Or a whole host of other phonies now unmasked.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 05:12 PM (ujg0T)

110 Prayers, logprof.

Rickl, how are you doing?

Posted by: Votermom's phone at December 15, 2017 05:12 PM (OypIp)

111 Prayers for your family, logprof.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 05:13 PM (zLDYs)

112 I'm sorry about your grandmother, logprof.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 05:13 PM (xjiRE)

113 Sitting around smelling each others' watercress farts"

More watercress Mr Taggart?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 05:13 PM (MINbv)

114 Incongruity. I do not think it means what they think it means.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 05:13 PM (NWiLs)

115 Prayers for you and your grandma logprof.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 05:14 PM (CNHr1)

116 Fine, thanks, Votermom's phone.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 05:14 PM (xjiRE)

117 Evening all

Snowing here in NJ

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2017 05:14 PM (SjImc)

118 So if I think Bow Bergdahl deserves to be shot am I against the military?

OT but Bill Kristol really does look like a pedophile. That's unfortunate for him.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 05:15 PM (2DOZq)

119 "BREAKING: The FBI Has Released New Info About Loretta Lynch's Tarmac Meeting With Bill Clinton"

Redacted emails. Of course, gotta cover for the government sanctioned mafia.

FBI pissed about criminal meeting between Bill and Lynch on the tarmac.

Calls a local policeman a "security threat" because he talked to a reporter.

Al Capone is like WTF?

Posted by: The Media Suxs at December 15, 2017 05:15 PM (n4tk6)

120 Prayer sent - ! I hope you are able to see her and be bedside - prayers to you and your family.

I lost my last great grandparent many years ago - I was lucky enough to know and loved her well before she passed.
Posted by: Publius Redux at December 15, 2017 05:08 PM (Fb9aZ)

--Unfortunately, I can't make it. That's why I hope my brother can still see her alive tomorrow. My son has not seen her since he was 1.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:15 PM (GsAUU)

121 Juan Williams, accused and proven sexual harasser at the Washington Post, in the '90's, is commenting on sexual harassment by others on The Five.

Posted by: redenzo at December 15, 2017 05:15 PM (5wSNN)

122 No one give the answer in the comments for the first 60 responses or so. Just give your guesses (or, if you already know, refrain from answering).

29
Spoiler!

It's the Weekly Standard. Obviously. Like their role models at the New York Times, they are still incapable of reporting the "insurance policy" text.
Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 15, 2017 04:58 PM (vRoC

Not so good at following directions, I see.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 05:15 PM (NWiLs)

123 If this were the private sector, Trump would have fired the top 3 or 4 levels of FBI management by now.

Posted by: undocumented illegal Carl Sagan at December 15, 2017 05:15 PM (e8kgV)

124 Prayers for logprof's grandma, and family naturally.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Don Cyleon at December 15, 2017 05:15 PM (AM1GF)

125 National Review has never turned a profit, either, if memory serves.

So who is bankrolling it?

Answer: a billionaire patron.

You know, at least when we had Richard Mellon Scaife the dude really, REALLY hated those Clinton scumbags. His shills at least produced some entertaining reads. Chris Ruddy churned out a pretty entertaining book about Vince Foster, for instance.

These guys now? Fucking boring old bow ties with a pull the string hanging out of their backs.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 05:15 PM (4ErVI)

126 Correction:

FBI pissed about criminal meeting BEING FOUND OUT ABOUT between Bill and Lynch on the tarmac.

Posted by: The Media Suxs at December 15, 2017 05:16 PM (n4tk6)

127 11 assuming im not unique , and am not the only person to cancel the Standard, and it was always losing money anyway, how is it still publishing?
Posted by: Avi at December 15, 2017 04:55 PM (+Anjo)

If I'm funding Egg McMuffin, maybe I'm funding WS too...maybe.

https://tinyurl.com/yae4b93k

Posted by: Pierre Omidyar at December 15, 2017 05:16 PM (a1WR4)

128 The Peoples Republic of New Jersey is supposed to get more snow than I got

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 05:16 PM (aC6Sd)

129 If Mx Krystol and the rest of the NeverTrumpers were truly conservative, they'd be calling for some Republicans to resign from Congress because of ineptitude.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 05:03 PM (BoMuO)

Had to throw that in there.

Andrew Egger is just trying to get under someone's desk.

The establishment is living the good life and they don't want to rock the boat. Just arranging deck chairs on said boat.

Posted by: golfman at December 15, 2017 05:16 PM (48QDY)

130 All of my great grandparents were dead before I was born.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 15, 2017 05:16 PM (miAtr)

131 105 Zman had a good article up the other day about these people. In his article he talked about the American Spectator. In a nutshell all these magazines and think tanks are a scam, just like the media. They're all funded by rich people so they can extol policies that valorize rich people. Most if not all of the people writing for these rags are paid shills for the elites. They make a pretty good living at it, too. Sitting around smelling each others' watercress farts while pumping out another article on Muh outsourcing or Muh hardworking illegal aliens.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 05:11 PM (4ErVI)



In fairness, aren't the American Spectator people showing themselves far better, or at least far more savvy, than the Globalist Bubble people of the Weakly Standard or the No Longer National Review? I am reading pro-Trump writing in the Spectator.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 05:16 PM (ujg0T)

132 109 93 I miss the Weekly World News.
Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 05:09 PM (Sfs6o)



You know, "Ed Anger", the WWN parody right-wing op-ed character, made more rational editorials than Billy Kristol now does. Or Kevin Williamson. Or a whole host of other phonies now unmasked.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 05:12 PM (ujg0T)


--Doesn't WWN still have its website?

Yeah, not as fun as seeing it in the checkout line.

I think Batboy picked Hillary! though, so I lost all respect for that rag.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:17 PM (GsAUU)

133 safer years of not listening to radio, i've been listening to npr. they've had some interesting programming, fascinating narratives such as the musician on a cruise ship who saved hundreds of passengers as it sank and the crew abandoned ship. but the news is just relentlessly left. they just had 2 commentators discussing the tax bill, both denouncing it unfair, negative on the deficit and showing no economic growth. 1 was a leftist from a think tank, the other ...
david brooks. of course.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 15, 2017 05:17 PM (Pg+x7)

134 Sleeting in dc. And way too cold for my spoiled self.

Posted by: nckate at December 15, 2017 05:17 PM (Zph5v)

135 Nice election you got there.
Maybe youse need an insurance policy should sumpin happen to it.

Posted by: Federal Bureau of Invetigazioni & Olive Oil Import Co. at December 15, 2017 05:17 PM (W/SyC)

136 Sorry logprof. That sucks.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 05:17 PM (ujg0T)

137 64
How does the Weekly Standard stay in business?


Via their prostitution and extortion side businesses.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 15, 2017 05:17 PM (4e+hS)

138

Losing all your grandmas and grandpas is like losing your childhood.

Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 15, 2017 05:17 PM (vRoC8)

139 Back from watching Episode 8. I was underwhelmed.

Perhaps 3D would have been better.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 15, 2017 05:17 PM (QQ+il)

140 It's an optical illusion:They're both the same.

Posted by: Lebron Horowitz at December 15, 2017 05:18 PM (UFgOG)

141 The Peoples Republic of New Jersey is supposed to get more snow than I got
Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 05:16 PM (aC6Sd)

I feel sorry for the Sailors in our NYC Unit that have to run their PRTs this weekend if it does not warm up. Sucks to be them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2017 05:18 PM (SjImc)

142 ... the "conservative" david brooks. of course.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 15, 2017 05:18 PM (Pg+x7)

143 Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (GsAUU)

IMO, nobody should ever feel that they need to apologize for posting prayer requests in whatever thread they post them in.

May your Grandmother feel the love, peace and presence of the Lord escorting to the next step in her journey into the eternal kingdom. May the Holy Spirit surround you and the rest of her family with strength and deep spiritual comfort.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 15, 2017 05:18 PM (8+Ozj)

144 Juan is babbling

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2017 05:18 PM (SjImc)

145 Which of those sites is not owned by the Russians? That's the one that I choose.

Posted by: goon at December 15, 2017 05:18 PM (EaQ6/)

146 130 All of my great grandparents were dead before I was born.
Posted by: Hikaru at December 15, 2017 05:16 PM (miAtr)

--She was the only one alive when my littl'un was born.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:19 PM (GsAUU)

147 Juan is babbling

Wow. That's different...

Posted by: tu3031 at December 15, 2017 05:19 PM (O5Q3r)

148 Weekly Standard's cruises are simply fabulous fun, Trey. I thought I'd just die when Bill Kristol played "Michael Row the Boat Ashore" on his ukelele. In a grass skirt! A grass skirt--can you imagine it?

Posted by: Margaret Cornish-Leatherwood at December 15, 2017 05:19 PM (398bZ)

149 Juan is babbling

Wow. That's different...
Posted by: tu3031 at December 15, 2017 05:19 PM (O5Q3r)

Yeah I keep that on my "Copy Past" page

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2017 05:20 PM (SjImc)

150 I never met my grandparents.
Now that my hair is gray I'm thinking of starting a rent-a-grandma business.

Posted by: Votermom's phone at December 15, 2017 05:20 PM (OypIp)

151 I was lucky to know all of my grandparents, but only one of my grands, Great Grandma Katie. She was a little odd, but it still amazes me to realize that she was born in 1884, and yet I still was able to get to know her, and hear her stories. The changes she saw during her life!

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 05:21 PM (k1TUh)

152 146>>>

I've got one grandparent left, he's 89 now. His father was born in 1860.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 15, 2017 05:22 PM (miAtr)

153 A lot of the NeverTrump Conservatives were never really conservative, they were like the HaAvoda Party in Israel where you have a very liberal domestic liberal platform but mostly hawkish on military matters.

So as long as the Republicans were NeoCons fighting every stupid war in the middle East, they got support form these people like Kristol. Once that was gone, they let their mask slip.

Posted by: Apache at December 15, 2017 05:22 PM (uc45P)

154 I must admit that the invisible font thing was well done, Mr. O'Spades, but it did not fool us in the least! Better luck next time!
Cheers!

Posted by: Bill Kristol at December 15, 2017 05:23 PM (O5Q3r)

155 150 I never met my grandparents.
Now that my hair is gray I'm thinking of starting a rent-a-grandma business.
Posted by: Votermom's phone at December 15, 2017 05:20 PM (OypIp)

--Heh.

I remember an Opus cartoon where Opus feels dirty and guilty while making a call, but instead of a prostitute he rents a mom for a day.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:23 PM (GsAUU)

156 1 was a leftist from a think tank, the other ...
david brooks. of course.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 15, 2017 05:17 PM (Pg+x7)

David Brooks. NPR's voice from the right.

Earlier had him balanced with some twit from The Young Turks.

*re-ran Election Night Vid through my mind while she babbled*

Posted by: golfman at December 15, 2017 05:23 PM (48QDY)

157 Losing all your grandmas and grandpas is like losing your childhood.

Yep, and lost my last parent a couple years ago. Kinda weird but the holidays don't do much for me anymore.

Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2017 05:23 PM (nisXv)

158 Losing all your grandmas and grandpas is like losing your childhood.

Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer



Exactly. That's when you know shit just got real and no matter what, there's no going back.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 05:23 PM (GjTLE)

159 I'm sure glad that Net Neutrality is squashed. Maybe now I'll be able to " scroll over and hold", like in the good ol' days.

Posted by: goon at December 15, 2017 05:23 PM (EaQ6/)

160 These guys now? Fucking boring old bow ties with a pull the string hanging out of their backs.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
---
Dack, that ain't their backs the string is hanging out of.

Just saying.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2017 05:23 PM (tr2D7)

161 In fairness, aren't the American Spectator people showing themselves far better, or at least far more savvy, than the Globalist Bubble people of the Weakly Standard or the No Longer National Review? I am reading pro-Trump writing in the Spectator.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 05:16 PM (ujg0T)

Not sure as I don't read that stuff anymore. I don't read books written by "conservatives" either because nothing comes of it. They're just lining their pockets.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 05:23 PM (4ErVI)

162 I never knew my grandpa on either side. Both died before I was born. No one knows anything about my moms mom because she abandoned my mom and her little brother when mom was 7 years old. My dads mom, who we called Memere, lived to the ripe age of 100. I got to go and celebrate that birthday with her. But I didn't really know her well. My dad had already passed and I remember going into her room to say hello and had to tell her "it's me Memere, Julie, Ray's daughter. She started bawling. "my baby,Ray... why did God take him from me?".. Good Lord I felt awful. She stuck like glue to me the rest of the day.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 05:24 PM (CNHr1)

163 My mom was 16 when she had me, so my great-grandparents were around for quite some time. I think I was 25 when my last great-grandmother died.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 05:24 PM (lwiT4)

164 Now that my hair is gray I'm thinking of starting a rent-a-grandma business.



Posted by: Votermom's phone at December 15, 2017 05:20 PM (OypIp)
That's what I want, too! I did see something about foster grandparents before I bailed from CA and I need to dig into it further. I don't need rent, just be happy to hang out with some kids once in a while, maybe buy em some cheap shit from the Dollar Tree.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 05:24 PM (14URa)

165 http://bit.ly/2zfWmuU

Did Donald Trump Jr. Just Indirectly Confirm Reince Priebus Was Fired For Leaking?

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 05:24 PM (y3aQB)

166 Did Donald Trump Jr. Just Indirectly Confirm Reince Priebus Was Fired For Leaking? -GP

Sounds like he did. I always knew it was that rat bastard.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 05:24 PM (r9UYA)

167 they just had 2 commentators discussing the tax bill"

Neither of whom actually seemed to know what was in said bill... sad, really.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 05:24 PM (p09tx)

168 Losing all your grandmas and grandpas is like losing your childhood.

Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer



Exactly. That's when you know shit just got real and no matter what, there's no going back.

Losing Both Parents is even worse

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 05:25 PM (y3aQB)

169
Yeah, because no matter how old you are, you ALWAYS feel like a little kid (inside) when you're with your grandmas and grandpas.

Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 15, 2017 05:25 PM (vRoC8)

170 Does David Brooks have anybody who respects him? Liberals see him as a conservative and conservatives see him as David Brooks -poor thing.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 05:25 PM (TisfY)

171 Hmmm. Got a new hash, I see.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 05:25 PM (p09tx)

172 65
Posted by: Publius Redux at December 15, 2017 05:02 PM (Fb9aZ)



Damn!!! You beat me by |--| that much.



Good job.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (8gDQu)

**
Hehe. Sorry to step on you like that - let's file it under "great minds think alike, and at almost exactly the same time!"
By the way - the extreme asininity of not being able to understand that you can be supportive of local and state police and also point out the FBI has become a hyper partisan, useless and incompetent bunch of pencil pushing "Washington Babbitts" - is breathtaking
OH sorry CBD - didn't chime in earlier - but I disagreed with your anti-police post of the other day. The vast majority of police ( and I have known a great deal of them and, full disclosure, represented members of one police force that shall remain nameless as the PD was a client of a firm I worked for - good times,. good times) are trying to do good and are very professional at what they do. It varies from force to force about overall levels of professionalism - but, on the whole, they do good. Are there bad ones? Yes. Are the police, generally, overly militarized? yes. (Why? because our federal government is not doing fa good job of ensuring our borders are secured and that we are protected from terrorism, so they have to be.) Is there a lot we could do to make them better? yes, of course. Will there still be bad police forces here and there and some really corrupt cops? yes. I chalked up your, shall we say, over-the-top post to the horrific video of that shooting - which we all agree was wrong and should have led to very severe repercussions to the particular office in question.I dont think any name calling was due for it even though I disagreed. And I agree civilians have ever right to look at and judge the actions of their civil police force - which is NOT and never should BE a military unit.
And nor is the idea of a national police force in ANY WAY a good idea - and it is certainly not a conservative idea - and the fact that the Weekly Standard thinks that the FBI is one is, frankly, scary. What on earth do leftists think?


Posted by: Publius Redux at December 15, 2017 05:26 PM (Fb9aZ)

173 165 http://bit.ly/2zfWmuU

Did Donald Trump Jr. Just Indirectly Confirm Reince Priebus Was Fired For Leaking?

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 05:24 PM (y3aQB)

To be fair Reince wasn't wearing his anal tampon that day.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 05:26 PM (4ErVI)

174 170
Does David Brooks have anybody who respects him? Liberals see him as a
conservative and conservatives see him as David Brooks -poor thing.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 05:25 PM (TisfY)
***
I'd rather not see him at all

Posted by: Publius Redux at December 15, 2017 05:27 PM (Fb9aZ)

175 Funny how they turned out. That smart and savvy publishing magnate must have concluded that there's just not enough liberal rags out there.

Posted by: Regular joe at December 15, 2017 05:27 PM (7PllL)

176 What on earth do leftists think?"

Thinking? That's rayciss.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 05:27 PM (p09tx)

177 pretty obvious that the constant leaks stopped the day that Rince got the boot.

what a disgusting little shit.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 05:28 PM (k1TUh)

178 Lemme see what my grandma qualifications are:

I can crochet
I can bake ok
I can overfeed you
I can fuss and tell you to put a jacket / coat on
Most importantly I can oooh and ahh proudly over your accomplishments

Posted by: Votermom's phone at December 15, 2017 05:28 PM (OypIp)

179 I think Batboy picked Hillary! though, so I lost all respect for that rag.

Professional courtesy.

Posted by: Bill Kristol's Turgid Mangina at December 15, 2017 05:28 PM (oVJmc)

180 157 Losing all your grandmas and grandpas is like losing your childhood.

Yep, and lost my last parent a couple years ago. Kinda weird but the holidays don't do much for me anymore.
Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2017 05:23 PM (nisXv)

--My first grandparent to pass away was my mom's dad, when I was 7. It was also between Thanksgiving and Christmas. And my parents divorced earlier that year. Still the crappiest year of my life so far, all told.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:28 PM (GsAUU)

181 Yeah, because no matter how old you are, you ALWAYS feel like a little kid (inside) when you're with your grandmas and grandpas.

Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 15, 2017 05:25 PM (vRoC
All my grandparents have been gone for decades now but not a day passes that I don't miss my grandmas. My one grampa was a bit of a groper and the other one, well, when I was in 1st grade he drove his car by me walking home from school and said, "hey, little girl, want a ride?" Took a moment to realize it was him (he wasn't local, I didn't know they were visiting). So, yeah, my grandmas, they were the best.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 05:29 PM (14URa)

182 For Uncle Palp:

http://weeklyworldnews.com/opinion/ed-anger/6916/ed-anger-says-i-hate-the-irish/

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 05:29 PM (qJtVm)

183 24,651.74 +143.08 (+0.58%)


MAGA

Posted by: DJIA Death Watch at December 15, 2017 05:29 PM (QQ+il)

184 165 http://bit.ly/2zfWmuU

Did Donald Trump Jr. Just Indirectly Confirm Reince Priebus Was Fired For Leaking?
Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 05:24 PM (y3aQB)



The leaks from the White House did seem to dry up right around the time that Priebus and his underling were fired.

Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 05:29 PM (lKs2v)

185 178 : Can you tell me what a disappointment I am?

Posted by: Hikaru at December 15, 2017 05:29 PM (miAtr)

186 Exactly. That's when you know shit just got real and no matter what, there's no going back.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 05:23 PM (GjTLE)

Before my son went to college, I told him that you'll never go home again.

Momma didn't like that too well.

Posted by: golfman at December 15, 2017 05:29 PM (48QDY)

187 I just made a fabulous risotto and a baked acorn squash. One of the best pairings in all of things to eat.

Posted by: sofa saver at December 15, 2017 05:29 PM (4u7kU)

188 Now that my hair is gray I'm thinking of starting a rent-a-grandma business.

Posted by: Votermom's phone at December 15, 2017 05:20 PM (OypIp)

Payment will be in hugs and kid kisses.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 15, 2017 05:29 PM (M06hO)

189 I saw Watercress Farts open for Earth Wind and Fire at the Garden in '98.

Posted by: Bill Kristol's Turgid Mangina at December 15, 2017 05:30 PM (oVJmc)

190 When we reach 70 years or so,
we will be the next to go.
As we remember those before,
so others'll do when we're no more.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 05:30 PM (zLDYs)

191 Now that my hair is gray I'm thinking of starting a rent-a-grandma business.
---
I was lucky - I had all four of my grandparents into my 40s.

There are about eight kids under 5 that play every day in my yard, driveway and trees. I'm damn lucky. My grandkids are close but I sure don't see them everyday. I love those little shits - they are loud, dirty and have the energy of madmen. The occasional stomped flower or finding the kids knee deep in the fish pond trying to catch them is a small price to pay.

I'd hate to live in a place that only had guys/gals my age. How boring.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2017 05:30 PM (tr2D7)

192 I only had one set of grandparents,my moms parents.Dad's were dead before I was born.Grandfather died in the early nineties and my grandmother died a few months before my mother....

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 05:30 PM (LiyEm)

193 "176 What on earth do leftists think?" "

Today, I was in the truck, listening to Sirius, and the DJ said some listeners had been calling her and telling her that the internet had a different "vibe" today now that net neutrality had been repealed, and they were all upset about it. I could tell she was trying not to offend anyone, but wanted to laugh about it.

So that's one thing that leftists think - that the internet is magic, and that somehow Trump has disturbed the Mystical Vortex that makes the Magical Internets work.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 05:31 PM (k1TUh)

194 Ashley Judd blackballed?

Nah...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 05:31 PM (p09tx)

195 Bill kristol furiously masturbating with his James Comey dildo and Bill and Hillary Clinton matching doll set.
..............

...next to his Barack Obama Seal Team 6 action figure.

Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 05:31 PM (HgMAr)

196 Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM

Prayers for your grandmother and for your family, logprof.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 15, 2017 05:31 PM (p+Wdc)

197 I was fortunate enough to live with my grandparents in NYC (Bronx) for a month when I moved to NY to try and find a job in advertising after college. Before that , I saw them once every 6 or 7 years on vacation. They passed 2 and 5 years after.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 05:31 PM (2DOZq)

198 I basically never knew my grandparents but grandparents seemed different then than they do today.
My mom's father traded the family cow for a package of cigarettes. He was a bit of a neer do well.
The only thing I remember is that he drank his coffee out of the saucer.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 05:31 PM (TisfY)

199 178
Lemme see what my grandma qualifications are:



I can crochet

I can bake ok

I can overfeed you

I can fuss and tell you to put a jacket / coat on

Most importantly I can oooh and ahh proudly over your accomplishments

Do you have Kleenex stuffed in one of the sleeves of your sweater and lint covered candy in it's pockets?

Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2017 05:31 PM (nisXv)

200 Mystical Vortex that makes the Magical Internets work"

Pyramid power?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 05:32 PM (p09tx)

201 All this great grandparent talk has me playing Randy Travis He Walked On Water
I only knew 1 great grandma and 1 great aunt. Both old German hausfraus who were magic in the kitchen.

Posted by: Downcast at December 15, 2017 05:32 PM (mIxct)

202 Losing Both Parents is even worse
Posted by: MISH McConnell


Yeah. Dad in 2007. Mom this past January. Gonna be the first Christmas without them.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 05:32 PM (GjTLE)

203 I'd hate to live in a place that only had guys/gals my age. How boring.

Posted by: Tonypete


The Villages in Florida is an enormous "senior" community, and has very high STD rates. Apparently, they've found things to do.

Posted by: pep at December 15, 2017 05:33 PM (LAe3v)

204 200>>>

Algorium

Posted by: Hikaru at December 15, 2017 05:33 PM (miAtr)

205 Well, my new hash says "tx", and I'm in Texas...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 05:33 PM (p09tx)

206 'npr. they've had some interesting programming, '

The worst thing about NPR is the insufferably snottish speach mannerisms of the hosts, content aside.

I have developed a Kramer seizure-like response if exposed to it.

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:33 PM (ALDN3)

207 I had my grandmothers into my 30s and my great-grandmother into my early 20s. They were wonderful each in their own way. Both of my grandfathers died the year I was born.

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 05:33 PM (eIQHF)

208 Come to AOSHQ and have a butterscotch.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 05:33 PM (4ErVI)

209 I was raised by my German grandparents on a farm in east TX. Could never ask for a more rewarding experience.

Posted by: sofa saver at December 15, 2017 05:33 PM (4u7kU)

210 Algorium"

Crystals?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 05:33 PM (p09tx)

211 Do you have Kleenex stuffed in one of the sleeves of your sweater and lint covered candy in it's pockets?


Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2017 05:31 PM (nisXv)
=====================

Oh! Oh! I know this one !!

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 05:33 PM (lwiT4)

212 185 178 : Can you tell me what a disappointment I am?
Posted by: Hikaru at December 15, 2017 05:29 PM (miAtr

Oh hush, Hikaru, that's just your no-account dad/mom speaking! You don't pay them no never mind, you hear?
You're going to do great, I just know it.

Posted by: Votermom's phone at December 15, 2017 05:34 PM (OypIp)

213 Better than this, there's a link at whatfinger for a compilation called "Trump Broke CNN".
Somewhere in the middle is video of a Trump rally where the crowd is enthusiastically chanting, "CNN sucks!"

That just made my day.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 15, 2017 05:34 PM (+lVUW)

214 >>There are about eight kids under 5 that play every day in my yard, driveway and trees. I'm damn lucky


I'd feel luckier if the 6-7 kids my neighbor has running around were eaten by wolves.

Different Strokes.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 05:34 PM (8bEU0)

215 Lots of misinformation about the proposed corporate tax rate. Not only does the US have the highest corporate tax rates, we purport to tax all income from anywhere, which no other country does. For foreign earnings the tax only applies when the earnings get repatriated to the US, so a lot of earnings just stays overseas.

The net net is that a lot of earnings never come back, but instead get reinvested abroad -- not in the US -- and many companies that have lots of intellectual property do the Double Irish and have effective tax rates far below the rack rate of 35%. I'm looking at you google.

Fixing a few things like this is critical to bringing real jobs back to the US. So it's a Jobs Bill, not a Tax Cut for Trump's Billionaire Friends.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 05:34 PM (cAXIk)

216 Our days may come to seventy years,
or eighty, if our strength endures;
yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,
for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

--Psalm 90:10

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:34 PM (GsAUU)

217 209
I was raised by my German grandparents on a farm in east TX. Could never ask for a more rewarding experience.

Posted by: sofa saver


Were you ever recruited to invade Louisiana?

Posted by: pep at December 15, 2017 05:34 PM (LAe3v)

218 205 Well, my new hash says "tx", and I'm in Texas...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 05:33 PM (p09tx)

Thought about moving back to TX but have no idea where I would land

Posted by: sofa saver at December 15, 2017 05:35 PM (4u7kU)

219
Do you have Kleenex stuffed in one of the sleeves of your sweater and lint covered candy in it's pockets?
Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2017 05:31 PM (nisXv)


Yes on the kleenex

Have to stock up on the candy

Posted by: Votermom's phone at December 15, 2017 05:35 PM (OypIp)

220 I'm an awesome reader of stories but all the grandkids can read now so I'm out of a job.
And one of the stepsons doesn't value my presence in the lives of his children

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 05:35 PM (TisfY)

221 Invisible fonts are included in the AOSHQ plantinum membership.

Posted by: Mallamutt at December 15, 2017 05:35 PM (/HC6x)

222 Broooks went over to the dark side earlier, but think of all of the 'influential conservatives' that have now been unmasked and outed in the age of Trump:
*Billy Kristol
*George Will
*Virtually the entire staff at NRO

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:35 PM (ALDN3)

223 Our days may come to seventy years,

or eighty, if our strength endures;

yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,

for they quickly pass, and we fly away.



--Psalm 90:10

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:34 PM (GsAUU)
===================

Ain't it the truth.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 05:35 PM (lwiT4)

224 I was done with TWS when they were running those anti-Catholic ads about a year ago. I hung on to NR for a little while longer -- getting rid of Mark Steyn was a major strike against them. Then, the way Rich Lowry virtue-signalled over kick out Derbyshire made me want to puke. Williamson's holier-than-thou attitude is a constant thorn in my side. And then the Against Trump "non-binary" BS. When Trump won and they couldn't muster anything more than nail-bitingly cautious enthusiasm, I was done.

On the bright side, I'm happy to let those thumb-twiddling assholes hang on to the label "Conservative". Hell, they've spent decades hollowing it out of any real meaning, so they can keep the empty shell.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 15, 2017 05:36 PM (q6jjE)

225 No lint covered candy but I've been stuffing kleenex in my sleeve for years.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 05:36 PM (CNHr1)

226 Ashly Hudd wasn't blackballed,she lost her looks and became a shrieking harridan...

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 05:36 PM (LiyEm)

227 183 24,651.74 +143.08 (+0.58%)


MAGA
Posted by: DJIA Death Watch at December 15, 2017 05:29 PM (QQ+il)


Woot! I guess the economy didn't actually collapse, like a Hillary, after she was whumped.

Posted by: goon at December 15, 2017 05:37 PM (EaQ6/)

228 And one of the stepsons doesn't value my presence in the lives of his children



Posted by: Northernlurker at December 15, 2017 05:35 PM (TisfY)
========================

That's ridiculous, and a darn shame.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 05:37 PM (lwiT4)

229 >>Ashly Hudd wasn't blackballed,she lost her looks and became a shrieking harridan.


Good thing Trump put Ben Carson in charge of her.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 05:37 PM (8bEU0)

230 208 Come to AOSHQ and have a butterscotch.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 05:33 PM (4ErVI)


I'd up that to buttered rum. But YMMV.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 15, 2017 05:37 PM (7UW64)

231 The
days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of
strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and
sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.


That's really beautiful. I'd never heard it before. Here's the KJ version, which I prefer, because KJ.

The
days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of
strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and
sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Posted by: pep at December 15, 2017 05:37 PM (LAe3v)

232 My maternal Grams drove a '68 Mustang and taught me how to dance the Charleston and the Black Bottom.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 05:37 PM (qJtVm)

233 Sometimes I even stuff it in my bra.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 05:37 PM (CNHr1)

234 Thought about moving back to TX but have no idea where I would land.

It's a big landing zone. I'm partial to the coastal plain and east TX.

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 05:38 PM (eIQHF)

235 "My dads mom, who we called Memere,"

French or Cajun background? Sounds a lot like "Ma Mere",
french for "My mother".

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 05:38 PM (k1TUh)

236 Yes on the kleenex



Have to stock up on the candy

You'll be awesome then. I always liked the hard candy disks that had powdered sugar on them. The lint is just a little something extra.

Posted by: dartist at December 15, 2017 05:38 PM (nisXv)

237 215: exactly. the lower corporate tax rate and repatriation of money will be a terrific stimulus. for brooks, et al, to say there will be no effect on growth is absurd.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at December 15, 2017 05:38 PM (Pg+x7)

238 Pretty sure Ashley has been blackballed. By the entire Kentucky basketball program over the years.

Posted by: nckate at December 15, 2017 05:38 PM (Zph5v)

239 Eris.. she sounds awesome!

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 05:38 PM (CNHr1)

240 Sorry for your loss, logprof. with love.

Posted by: booknlass at December 15, 2017 05:38 PM (CXrpl)

241 Apologies to ace and other bloggers but political pundits are a dime a dozen.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 05:38 PM (2DOZq)

242 Tom, my dad was French Canadian.

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 05:39 PM (CNHr1)

243 My sis went to Tulane Med school and I would go down in the summers to do " reconnaissance" . Horny 15 yo farm boys are the best when it comes to that

Posted by: sofa saver at December 15, 2017 05:39 PM (4u7kU)

244 Whoops, it's the same. I was looking at a modern translation when I found it.

Posted by: pep at December 15, 2017 05:39 PM (LAe3v)

245 226 Ashly Hudd wasn't blackballed,she lost her looks and became a shrieking harridan...
Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 05:36 PM (LiyEm)

--Stefan Molyneux put up and interview with Michelle Malkin yesterday wherein she actually said "pink pussy-hatted adolescents." It was so funny to hear her say that, since she never uses that language in her columns.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:39 PM (GsAUU)

246 I think I mentioned my one grandmother always had a bowl of lemon drops on her table. More often than not they tasted like dust. That only lasted for about thirty seconds though. Then the lemon came through.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 05:39 PM (4ErVI)

247

Mamere is french-canadian, yes?

Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 15, 2017 05:39 PM (vRoC8)

248 Chad Pergram
Colleague Jake Gibson rpts DoJ official Bruce Ohr to meet w/the Senate Intel Cmte Monday. He was demoted recently from his job after it was revealed he had mtgs w/Fusion GPS officials. His wife, Nellie Ohr worked there


More Shit Hitting Fan

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 05:39 PM (y3aQB)

249 Just think how the media would be describing the economy if Obama was still in office.

Posted by: Mallamutt at December 15, 2017 05:39 PM (/HC6x)

250 Ha,Ashley Hudd....

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 05:39 PM (LiyEm)

251
and Papere

Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 15, 2017 05:40 PM (vRoC8)

252 In any case, I never liked the word "conservative" -- it was too dependent upon other meanings, like the word "moderate". So it can keep shifting under your feet.

I'm more happy to call myself a "Social Traditionalist"

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 15, 2017 05:40 PM (q6jjE)

253 Just when I was wondering if PervNado was over

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/
2017/12/15/kansas-democrat-andrea
-ramsey-drops-out-house-race-over-
2005-harassment-suit.html

And the guy is named Gary Funkhouser ? 11ty?

Posted by: DaveA at December 15, 2017 05:40 PM (FhXTo)

254 Sometimes I even stuff (kleenex) in my bra.

Go on . . .

Posted by: roy moore at December 15, 2017 05:41 PM (6FqZa)

255 I always remember the early days of the Washington Times, back when newspapers were still a thing.

It had a massive op-ed section that I would read in its entirety every day while at the leftist hive of UMCP.

An incredible array of great conservative writers and thinkers.

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:41 PM (ALDN3)

256 The leaks from the White House did seem to dry up right around the time that Priebus and his underling were fired.
Posted by: buzzion


++++++++

More Priebus, but Bannon also

Posted by: Apache at December 15, 2017 05:41 PM (uc45P)

257 Ajit Pai's full remarks on NN at CTH are worth the read, in full, if you want to be educated on what NN is and isn't. It's rare that I applaud a government agency. I give them kudos for a clear, level-headed decision, here.

Posted by: Zombie Winston Churchill at December 15, 2017 05:41 PM (Dp6qK)

258 I have a very vague memory, when my mom and dad were still married, I was about 5 or 6 maybe and visiting my grandma on her farm. She had big barn and a cat had just had kittens. I was enthralled!

Posted by: Jewells45can handle your jewels at December 15, 2017 05:41 PM (CNHr1)

259 I'm more happy to call myself a "Social Traditionalist"

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 15, 2017 05:40 PM (q6jjE)

Tradcon is a bit better than conservative. It signals something went wrong with the latter.

I'm a nationalist. Tradcon nationalist? I haven't really thought about what I'd call myself, actually.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 05:41 PM (4ErVI)

260 Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 15, 2017 05:36 PM (q6jjE)

--Actually, NR dumped Derb before Steyn, but I get your point.

Coulter, Derb, and Steyn: all the truth-tellers are gone from NR, so I have not read them since.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:41 PM (GsAUU)

261 It's a big landing zone. I'm partial to the coastal plain and east TX.
Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 05:38 PM (eIQHF)

I was raise in Yantis. Sulphur Springs was the big town

Posted by: sofa saver at December 15, 2017 05:41 PM (4u7kU)

262 --Stefan Molyneux put up and interview with Michelle Malkin yesterday wherein she actually said "pink pussy-hatted adolescents." It was so funny to hear her say that, since she never uses that language in her columns.
Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:39 PM (GsAUU)



Now there is an Asian American lady I wish I had met at university. Where was she when I needed her at Berkeley? Well, duh, the answer is at Oberlin, 2000 miles to the east, but anyway.....

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 05:42 PM (ujg0T)

263 "Thought about moving back to TX but have no idea where I would land"

well if you're going to work you go to where the job is; I'm in East Texas and find it very nice. Central Texas is nice too. Of all the big cities, Fort Worth is by far my favorite, I get over there fairly often. Quite different than Dallas, even though they're close. Austin and Houston - meh. overcrowded anthills. San Antonio has a lot of charms, even if English is a second language there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 05:42 PM (k1TUh)

264 OT but Drudge has a photo of Roseanne Barr that looks like a prettier Ashley Judd. That just aint right.

Posted by: Downcast at December 15, 2017 05:42 PM (mIxct)

265 252

In any case, I never liked the word "conservative" -- it was too dependent upon other meanings, like the word "moderate". So it can keep shifting under your feet.

I'm more happy to call myself a "Social Traditionalist"
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 15, 2017 05:40 PM (q6jjE)

Pigeonholing people..... kind of an easy way out... great way for Mass Media to roll though.

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 05:42 PM (zSVEm)

266 >>And the guy is named Gary Funkhouser ?


She was looking to get Funked.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 05:42 PM (8bEU0)

267 Fred Flintstone works for Slate.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 05:42 PM (IqV8l)

268 Thought about moving back to TX but have no idea where I would land
Posted by: sofa saver


NNE Texas.
As others have said, it's a big landing area.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 05:43 PM (GjTLE)

269 Steyn quit,I believe it was because NR didn't support him in his fight with Mann and the lawyers just wanted him to settle....

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 05:43 PM (LiyEm)

270 I spent a lot of time with my mom's parents, my dad side grandfather died when my dad was a young teenager. But my dad's grandmother lived to be 106. Grandparents are the best.

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 05:43 PM (aC6Sd)

271 Heh, Eris, my maternal grandmother taught me how to play bourre and to jitterbug.

Posted by: no good deed at December 15, 2017 05:43 PM (eIQHF)

272 268
Thought about moving back to TX but have no idea where I would land
Posted by: sofa saver


NNE Texas.
As others have said, it's a big landing area.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 05:43 PM (GjTLE)

Tornado Alley?

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 05:43 PM (zSVEm)

273 It had a massive op-ed section that I would read in its entirety every day while at the leftist hive of UMCP.

Posted by: harry lime


A liberal college town, in Maryland? Shut up!

Posted by: pep at December 15, 2017 05:44 PM (LAe3v)

274 'the answer is at Oberlin'

Michelle Malkin got there a year after I left.

She must have felt even more like living in an alien world than I did. Oberlin has to be experienced to be believed.

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:44 PM (ALDN3)

275 I'd hate to live in a place that only had guys/gals my age. How boring.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2017 05:30 PM (tr2D7)
Love that, Tonypete. You're a lucky man.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 05:44 PM (14URa)

276 This just in......

Everything Obama did was good and noble.
Everything Trump has done or is doing is pure fucking evil.

Posted by: This is CNN at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (3BFzK)

277 Well, my favorite is how everyone who is anyone is just so Concerned about OMG The Deficit lately. It's like they've all forgotten that we can just mint a few dozen trillion dollar coins out of platinum and it'll all be okay.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (XvTYo)

278 "I was raise in Yantis. Sulphur Springs was the big town"

Yantis! Back in my oilfield days I actually worked on a couple gas wells there, so I really can say I've been there. Yantis truly is a one intersection town!

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (k1TUh)

279

My grandma taught me how to make cave paintings.

Posted by: Half Senile Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (vRoC8)

280 Yeah. Dad in 2007. Mom this past January. Gonna be the first Christmas without them.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 05:32 P


Word. This has been the first holiday season without the dad. It just doesn't feel right.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (p+Wdc)

281 259
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 05:41 PM (4ErVI)

I get what you mean, but I'd just as soon jettison the word "conservative" altogether since it's been utterly demonized by generations of Leftist Pavlovian brainwashing at this point.

In fact, it might be a more useful strategy to make them own it and then turn their own tools against them in a Trump-like manner.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (q6jjE)

282 274 'the answer is at Oberlin'

Michelle Malkin got there a year after I left.

She must have felt even more like living in an alien world than I did. Oberlin has to be experienced to be believed.
Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:44 PM (ALDN3)



At least I paid much less for in-state tuition. So there is that.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (ujg0T)

283 Sorry about your grandma, logprof. I never had deep conversations with my gram on dad's side, she didn't speak English.

My Texan grandma on mom's side was so wise. I could ask her a thorny question and she would consider it for a moment and then answer with what seemed like almost a non-sequitur but not quite. So, I'd wander off. About 30 minutes later I would suddenly realize she had said something very profound.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (3myMJ)

284 'A liberal college town,'

College Park long since ceased to be a town, as it has been consumed by the urban sprawl of D.C.

You can find a few conservative profs there, but not many. Mostly in engineering which the libs can't handle.

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (ALDN3)

285 days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of
strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and
sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
Posted by: pep at December 15, 2017 05:37 PM (LAe3v)

I've always found that verse interesting especially because it's more or less in line with modern average life expectancy.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (NWiLs)

286 The Weekly Standard sounds like my kind of magazine.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Battleboro, VT at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (gfU6H)

287 . Oberlin has to be experienced to be believed.
Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:44 PM (ALDN3)

I got laid at Oberlin back in the day

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (SjImc)

288

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Traditionalists

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 05:46 PM (IqV8l)

289 What ever happened to the good ol' fashioned hanging chad. Now all we get is wall-to-wall Russians! Next time around they will probably blame Skynet, or some other AI, or pretty much anything else that hasn't been regulated to death. As I get older, I miss the hanging chad more and more for it's simple elegance.

Posted by: goon at December 15, 2017 05:46 PM (EaQ6/)

290 Now there is an Asian American lady I wish I had met at university. Where was she when I needed her at Berkeley? Well, duh, the answer is at Oberlin, 2000 miles to the east, but anyway.....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 05:42 PM (ujg0T)

--You gotta believe she's cray cray in bed.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:46 PM (GsAUU)

291 287 . Oberlin has to be experienced to be believed.
Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:44 PM (ALDN3)

I got laid at Oberlin back in the day
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (SjImc)

Rapist!

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 05:46 PM (NWiLs)

292 the answer is in code in the cookbook?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at December 15, 2017 05:47 PM (xFBfz)

293 Counter-revolutionary, m'self.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 05:47 PM (fA1SL)

294 'Steyn quit,I believe it was because NR didn't support him in his fight with Mann and the lawyers just wanted him to settle....'

What I'd still like to know is what happened to Steyn's show on CRTV. I've heard several different versions.

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:47 PM (ALDN3)

295 I got laid at Oberlin back in the day

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM


And thus was a young NGU exposed to Rule 1 about not sticking your dick in crazy.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 15, 2017 05:47 PM (p+Wdc)

296 257 Ajit Pai's full remarks on NN at CTH are worth the read, in full, if you want to be educated on what NN is and isn't. It's rare that I applaud a government agency. I give them kudos for a clear, level-headed decision, here.

Posted by: Zombie Winston Churchill at December 15, 2017 05:41 PM (Dp6qK)

Nice I'll give it a look after I heat up my macaroni.

I never could make heads or tails of this issue because EVERYONE seemed like a shill.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 05:48 PM (4ErVI)

297 One of Devo's best songs was "Just a Girl"

She's just a girl, just a girl. The girl you want.

Explained the unexplainable for me in high school.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 15, 2017 05:48 PM (3BFzK)

298 'I got laid at Oberlin back in the day'

Man, I hope it was a townie, because the chicks at Oberlin make Ruth Bader Ginsberg look hot.

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:48 PM (ALDN3)

299 229 >>Ashly Hudd wasn't blackballed,she lost her looks and became a shrieking harridan.


Good thing Trump put Ben Carson in charge of her.
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 05:37 PM (8bEU0)

She's a no go zone. Like crazy town.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2017 05:48 PM (Dp6qK)

300 Nood - soon to be missing persons

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 05:48 PM (fA1SL)

301 Sonobi is revealing part of the white text.

Posted by: Surfperch at December 15, 2017 05:49 PM (gfU6H)

302 260,269:

Ok, I admit to being fuzzy on remember the details and timelines, but the overall trend is clear - NR's staff preferred to be invited to their Liberal friends' cocktail parties than run a magazine with interesting and occasionally uncomfortable views.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 15, 2017 05:49 PM (q6jjE)

303 Nood

Posted by: Furious George at December 15, 2017 05:49 PM (j+dfT)

304 Just saw that Michael Bloomberg hates this tax bill.

Okay, that's good enough for me, even with flaws I'm for it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 05:49 PM (k1TUh)

305 264 OT but Drudge has a photo of Roseanne Barr that looks like a prettier Ashley Judd. That just aint right.
Posted by: Downcast at December 15, 2017 05:42 PM (mIxct)

Rosanne is a hoot on twitter.

Posted by: random lurker commenter at December 15, 2017 05:50 PM (dab45)

306 White text is a symbol of oppression and white supremacy.

Posted by: SJW at December 15, 2017 05:50 PM (gfU6H)

307 Texas is a good place to live except the urban areas, especially Houston, Austin, DFW, El Paso, San Antonio, etc. I find that ETEX suits my needs perfectly.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 05:50 PM (zLDYs)

308
One of Devo's best songs was "Just a Girl"

She's just a girl, just a girl. The girl you want.


That's "Girl U Want"

https://youtu.be/g4-2onb62y8

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 05:51 PM (IqV8l)

309 284 'A liberal college town,'

College Park long since ceased to be a town, as it has been consumed by the urban sprawl of D.C.

You can find a few conservative profs there, but not many. Mostly in engineering which the libs can't handle.
Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (ALDN3)

--I knew one outspoken conservative prof in the B School when I was there. Another, Peter Morici, actually worked in the Clinton Administration, so he was Democrat but not a raging socialist.

And yup, CP is just a DC 'Burb; it even has a Metro stop. I still remember how horrible the traffic on Route 1 was when the IKEA opened.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:51 PM (GsAUU)

310 I hate the tax bill because I "care"

Posted by: Michael Bloomberg at December 15, 2017 05:52 PM (gfU6H)

311 I'll fly away, oh glory

I'll fly away (in the morning)

https://tinyurl.com/y86s4qwv

Posted by: booknlass at December 15, 2017 05:53 PM (CXrpl)

312 'I still remember how horrible the traffic on Route 1 was when the IKEA opened.'

I remember it well. I left about two years later and have never set foot in that place again.

Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:54 PM (ALDN3)

313 Sock off!

Posted by: Surfperch at December 15, 2017 05:54 PM (gfU6H)

314 Yantis! Back in my oilfield days I actually worked on a couple gas wells there, so I really can say I've been there. Yantis truly is a one intersection town!
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (k1TUh)

At the intersection stood a large building that held my grandfather's cucumber sizer. One of my jobs as young sprout was dumping the cucumbers into the sizer. Going to Canton on first Mondays was where I got the idea of becoming an antique dealer. I could not have ask for a better childhood, notwithstanding having a Marine lifer for a father and no mother.

Posted by: sofa saver at December 15, 2017 05:56 PM (4u7kU)

315 307 Texas is a good place to live except the urban areas, especially Houston, Austin, DFW, El Paso, San Antonio, etc. I find that ETEX suits my needs perfectly.
Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 05:50 PM (zLDYs)

I don't find living in Houston an issue at all.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (2DOZq)

316 307 Texas is a good place to live except the urban areas, especially Houston, Austin, DFW, El Paso, San Antonio, etc. I find that ETEX suits my needs perfectly.
Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 05:50 PM (zLDYs)

It's been so long since I had a neighbor I'm not sure how I would act.

Posted by: sofa saver at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (4u7kU)

317 312 'I still remember how horrible the traffic on Route 1 was when the IKEA opened.'

I remember it well. I left about two years later and have never set foot in that place again.
Posted by: harry lime at December 15, 2017 05:54 PM (ALDN3)

--Heh, sounds like we were there almost the same time (I was there 2000-04). Back when The Diamondback published Liberal Crap.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 05:59 PM (GsAUU)

318 If you're lookin' for love, baby I'm tougher than the rest.

{h/t Chris LeDoux}

Posted by: DJT at December 15, 2017 06:00 PM (14URa)

319 >>>102 Heh. I just saw this at Zerohedge:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-15/what-we-learned-week
Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 05:10 PM (xjiRE)

That's brilliant.

Posted by: m at December 15, 2017 06:02 PM (sVFZk)

320 I don't find living in Houston an issue at all.
Posted by: Alabaster Jones at December 15, 2017 05:58 PM (2DOZq)

I used to do an antique show twice a year at George Brown. I would always stay at the Allen Park Inn. I always did well and thouroghly enjoyed Houston. I've always considered it to the best food town in the US and I live 2 hrs above NYC. Alas the Allen Park Inn flooded out maybe 10 years ago and that ended that.

Posted by: sofa saver at December 15, 2017 06:02 PM (4u7kU)

321 285---I've always found that verse interesting especially because it's more or less in line with modern average life expectancy.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 05:45 PM (NWiLs)
-----------------------------------
Yeah, many people confuse statistical "life expectancy" with the normal life span.
You get people thinking that a "life expectancy" of 35 means that 35 was ooooooold, one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel oooooold. And all it may mean is that most people either croaked by age 2 or in their 70's.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 15, 2017 06:02 PM (0jtPF)

322 My grandmother was born in East Texas. Grew up in Winnsboro I think. My dad who has also passed on used to say
he went to Pickton U. for college. He actually graduated from
Crozier Tech High School -but I think it was called Dal High back then (Dal Tech High School.) He played football for Crozier Tech against Highland Park when Doak Walker was playing. He always thought Walker was a snob -but he really liked Bobby Layne who also played football for Highland Park in the early 1940s.

Posted by: Glenn John at December 15, 2017 06:07 PM (LilNs)

323 The fact is, FBI management is disgraceful. It is.

Imagine the million ton shithammer of a corrupt FBI and DOJ coming after you arbitrarily because they don't like your politics, or they need a scapegoat, or some big time donor wants your property.

They have to lose this thing, bigly. Trump's fight is our fight.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 15, 2017 06:10 PM (jVm2N)

324 I recall being in my Great Grandmothers kitchen when I was a tike, circa 1947/8. What I remember was a hand water pump at her sink. I had a Great Grandfather on the other side of the family that I seem to remember. He died in 1947 at 87 years old. never met my grandfathers as they both died young. I have some second cousins somewhere but I'm basically the last of the line.

Posted by: Javems at December 15, 2017 06:14 PM (yOqwj)

325 Also, isn't the standard deduction doubling? That will far more than make up for it.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 05:00

I see all these "media commentators" continually ignoring that. Soemoen posted a link here where you coud run your taxes under the old way and the new way.

We used to itemize most recent yrs, but doubling the standard deduction seems to save us something from a few hundred to maybe 800, depending on how 201 all shakes out on our end.

Posted by: Farmer - 2017 GNAMM Survivor at December 15, 2017 06:23 PM (yJ1e6)

326 The DJIA will be 50,000 in 2020 and hit 100,000 around 2027

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 06:41 PM (3svUe)

327 Cinnamon!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 15, 2017 06:42 PM (QCX64)

328 I let my subscription to The Weekly Standard lapse last year, once it became quite apparent that Kristol fils and his ilk had adopted not only the style, but the politics of The New Class of which his father was so critical.

They haven't caught on to me yet, so I'm still downloading issues, but pretty soon I won't even be doing that any more as it's becoming a major waste to spend any time reading it.

Posted by: sestamibi at December 15, 2017 07:11 PM (WusEB)

329 "assuming im not unique , and am not the only person to cancel the Standard, and it was always losing money anyway, how is it still publishing?

billionaire patron.
Posted by: ace at December 15, 2017 05:04 PM (8rNrN)"

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I believe it's Rupert Murdoch.

Posted by: Decaf at December 15, 2017 07:54 PM (PCopq)

330 That's why I call them Professional Liars, Ace. They have already thought of a dozen ways to lie about it before you get up in the aftern...morning.

They pretend that Trump is just mad at Hillary--a mere snit.

They call the texts "anti-Trump". Lots of people are anti-Trump--but they don't sit around in the Asst. FBI Director's office plotting to manufacture evidence to frame and wiretap a presidential candidate. That's not "anti-Trump"; it's anti-representative democracy and criminally seditious.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at December 15, 2017 07:59 PM (Ndje9)

Little Marco Now a Yes On Tax Bill After Concession on Refundable Child Tax Credit; Mike Lee Still Undecided; Unexpected Vote Flips from Hard No to Yes

Marco Rubio insisted that more of the bill's $2000-per-child tax credit be made "refundable," that is, it's a tax credit even if you don't pay taxes. In other words, it's a direct wealth transfer from tax-paying Americans to non-tax-paying Americans.

The bill already had a refundable component of $1100 per child. Rubio wanted that upped. It has been upped, to $1400 per child, and now he's a yes.

Mike Lee, on the other hand, remains undecided. Apparently he wants an even larger direct wealth transfer.

Surprisingly, even liberal stooge Bob Corker, who previously objected to the plan over alleged concerns about increasing the deficit (though he's not very keen on cutting government spending), is now a... yes??!!


Posted by: Ace at 03:42 PM




Comments

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1 Rush absolutely guaranteed today that this will pass. Because otherwise 2017, they got nothing.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (14URa)

2 Everybody gets something. It's how the sausage is made.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (RD7QR)

3 First?!?

Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (r+mGZ)

4 3
First?!?

Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (r+mGZ)
Silly wabbit! :-)

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (14URa)

5 Will be interesting to see how the economy reacts to this over the next year and how hard dems will spin to focus on those left behind.

Posted by: IanDeal at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (qcIL3)

6 Mike Lee (UT) to the Left of Bob Corker.


Nice job beehivers.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (8bEU0)

7 Corker's a putz.. I wonder what greased the skids, as it were?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (so+oy)

8 Then I want my state and local tax deductions!

Posted by: CN at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (5gaNQ)

9 They could take 90% of the Ds and 60% of the Rs in the house and senate and line them up against the shooting wall and we would be much better off. Replace them with names drawn at random via SS numbers and we would be a whole lot further down the road to sanity.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 15, 2017 03:42 PM (r+mGZ)

10 Tarring and feathering people is painful and cruel. I used to wonder how people could inflict that on another human being. But I understand it now.

Posted by: Agent Cooper at December 15, 2017 03:42 PM (oyCqX)

11 >>I wonder what greased the skids, as it were?


Survival Instinct.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:42 PM (8bEU0)

12 Do those refundable tax credits only go to illegal immigrants or are citizens included too?

Preguntando por un amigo.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (3BFzK)

13 7 Corker's a putz.. I wonder what greased the skids, as it were?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (so+oy)


Bastard helped give the Farsis nukes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (mbhDw)

14 9
They could take 90% of the Ds and 60% of the Rs in the house and senate
and line them up against the shooting wall and we would be much better
off. Replace them with names drawn at random via SS numbers and we
would be a whole lot further down the road to sanity.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 15, 2017 03:42 PM (r+mGZ)
Booyah! So right.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (14URa)

15 Is this enough to get it passed?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (MXJGE)

16 >>Tarring and feathering people is painful and cruel. I used to wonder how people could inflict that on another human being.



The ride out of town on a Rail wasn't any kinder.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (8bEU0)

17 *drinks water*

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (6Ll1u)

18 7 Corker's a putz.. I wonder what greased the skids, as it were?

I'm pretty sure that the letters K and Y were involved.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (k1TUh)

19 "Everybody gets something. It's how the sausage is made."

Yes indeed. I get a tax increase!

Posted by: Chris M at December 15, 2017 03:44 PM (eAZVt)

20 The ride out of town on a Rail wasn't any kinder.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (8bEU0)
This is why we need High Speed Rail.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 03:44 PM (14URa)

21 16
>>Tarring and feathering people is painful and cruel. I used to
wonder how people could inflict that on another human being.







The ride out of town on a Rail wasn't any kinder.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (8bEU0)

Can't we do both?

Posted by: Agent Cooper at December 15, 2017 03:44 PM (oyCqX)

22 Do I still get my free slut control products?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's Cooch at December 15, 2017 03:44 PM (3BFzK)

23 Tractor Truck load of salt with this
Thomas Paine
@Thomas1774Paine
The FBI Texts are Child's Play. We bring the house DOWN on this whole shit show in

WILLOWED 2nd straight time

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 03:44 PM (y3aQB)

24 In the end, if you are GOP, you vote for bills that are generally considered tax cuts.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 03:45 PM (sX1BW)

25 >>Rush absolutely guaranteed today that this will pass. Because otherwise 2017, they got nothing.

It was always going to pass. This is literally the least suspenseful thing that has happened in DC in quite a while.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 03:45 PM (/tuJf)

26 And, yet, the left will still scream THE BILLIONAIRES AND TRILLIONAIRES GET A TAX CUT ON THE BACKS OF THE MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING POOR!!!!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 03:45 PM (BoMuO)

27 In addition to "Hillary will never be president" we can now comfortably state that "Marco Rubio will never be president".

What a putz.

Posted by: Decaf at December 15, 2017 03:46 PM (PCopq)

28 I just got the Moron Cookbook!!!

I am so impressed with the quality.....of the book. The recopies, I'll be the judge.

Great work to Bluebell and Weasel... and to all the contributors!!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 15, 2017 03:46 PM (3BFzK)

29 STAY AWAY FROM CALIFORNIA

We are releasing violent psychopaths from the prison system onto the streets, by the hundreds:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/ 37-years-after-brutal-SF-crime-inmate-paroled-12432549.php?t=b6c556de13

37 years after brutal SF crime, inmate paroled under state youth-offender law

"It was a brutal crime: Four teens in San Francisco abducted a Golden Gate University student as she walked to her car, raped her over four hours, then dumped her on a desolate street, shooting her twice and running her down with her car.

The 24-year-old woman survived and testified in the 1981 trial of the teens. Three were 17 years old and one was 16 at the time of the attack, but they were prosecuted as adults, convicted of multiple crimes and sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole.
Thirty-six years later, one of the four, Michael Brown, has been freed under a California law that gives second chances to inmates serving life sentences who committed their crimes as minors or as young adults.

The rationale behind the law is that the prefrontal cortex of the brain, which controls impulse control, is still developing even into early adulthood. Research shows that this part of the brain isn’t fully developed until a person is in his mid-20s, and the law requires the state Board of Parole Hearings to give special consideration to inmates who committed their crimes before age 23 by weighing “the diminished culpability of juveniles as compared to that of adults.” In January, the state will extend the age to 25.

In Brown’s case, the parole board said at a June hearing that at the time of the crimes, he had a “17-year-old brain” and lacked impulse control. He became one of 900 prisoners to be freed under the youth-offender law since it took effect in 2014."

All I can say is #%&@*$^%@$#^&%$#$@!!!!!

When liberals get control of your justice system, your state is fucked. Really, truly fucked.

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 03:46 PM (42M22)

30 7
Corker's a putz.. I wonder what greased the skids, as it were?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (so+oy)

His bunghole?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 15, 2017 03:46 PM (8iiMU)

31 It was always going to pass. This is literally the least suspenseful thing that has happened in DC in quite a while.

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Hey, this is about all the GOP can somewhat agree on - as imperfect as it is.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 03:46 PM (sX1BW)

32 Rubio is a real piece of shit. You don't even know the half of what he pulled to get his handout. There is a reason people on The Hill hate him. A good reason.

The child tax credit largely goes to people who don't pay any taxes. It's a clear giveaway. It has also been marred by fraud and abuse.

But go take a drink and celebrate you douche.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 03:47 PM (VpIIl)

33 The donks are going to run on Net Neutrality in 2018!!!

Good luck with that.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 15, 2017 03:47 PM (3BFzK)

34 Vote. Quick.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 03:47 PM (3myMJ)

35 How can Rubio be popular without being a populist?

Posted by: Kindltot at December 15, 2017 03:47 PM (TblSY)

36
I just got the Moron Cookbook!!!

I am so impressed with the quality.....of the book. The recopies, I'll be the judge.

Great work to Bluebell and Weasel... and to all the contributors!!


Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 15, 2017 03:46 PM (3BFzK)
I got mine this morning (after nine miles of bad road with Amazon, unaccountably). It is the most epic thing I've ever seen. Truly a tour de force!

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 03:48 PM (14URa)

37
Marco Rubio insisted that more of the bill's $2000-per-child tax credit be made "refundable," that is, it's a tax credit even if you don't pay taxes.



Oh where would we be without good conservatives like Mario in the Senate?!?!?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 03:48 PM (OE2ur)

38 John McCain about to leave this mortal coil, and eventually Congress, and RINOs lining up to take his place. And they wonder why people are disgusted with politicians.

Posted by: Decaf at December 15, 2017 03:48 PM (PCopq)

39 Sheps production asst. offers her help to Harry's tobe after Shep announces she has to be instructed on "how to speak to the Queen"

Posted by: sofa saver at December 15, 2017 03:48 PM (4u7kU)

40 Is McCain going to be able to vote?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:48 PM (ptqGC)

41 Mike Lee is that Libertarian/Republican hero right?

Posted by: Donald at December 15, 2017 03:48 PM (yQo2D)

42 I held out for an additional transfer payment to Iran.

Posted by: Bob Corker at December 15, 2017 03:48 PM (j+dfT)

43 WTF, Corker is a yes?

What with the what now?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 03:49 PM (dEQP3)

44 When liberals get control of your justice system, your state is fucked. Really, truly fucked.

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 03:46 PM (42M22)
Why I'm freezing my scrawny ass off in Indiana instead of basking in the 80 degree weather in Califuckinfornia. Best move I ever made and thank God for fleece underthingies!

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 03:49 PM (14URa)

45 Mario's price is $300?


Still too much for that half-squat.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2017 03:49 PM (Dp6qK)

46 Details will be coning out in a bit. But FIFO is out. 7 brackets much like the senate (reduced top rate of 37%). No capital gain on the sale of a home you have lived in for 5 years (in last . Obamacare mandate is gone.

Overall you will see it's a pretty good bill. Could be better, except for asshole like Rubio and Collins.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 03:49 PM (VpIIl)

47 Corker won't get an invite to the Morning Joe Christmas/Festivus party. Sad.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:50 PM (ptqGC)

48 If 30+ years in Prison teaches you anything, it teaches you impulse control.

That's not me talking. That's Science.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:50 PM (8bEU0)

49 F*ck Marco Rubio.

Stay tuned for breaking information on this fast-developing story.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 15, 2017 03:50 PM (h7V7+)

50 I don't think they need McCain now.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 03:50 PM (3myMJ)

51 No capital gain on the sale of a home you have lived in for 5 years

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What's the change there - uncapped?

What of the estate tax?

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 03:50 PM (sX1BW)

52 The whole let the criminals out of Kalifornia jail is why I now always carry. Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. AND FUCK YOU JERRY BROWNeye.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 15, 2017 03:50 PM (3BFzK)

53 I gave Corker a title and land in Tennessee.

Marco settled for far less.

Posted by: Longshanks at December 15, 2017 03:50 PM (/tuJf)

54 Marco Rubio insisted that more of the bill's $2000-per-child tax credit
be made "refundable," that is, it's a tax credit even if you don't pay
taxes.


So, the deficit doesn't matter again? Oh, right - this is technically wealth transfer spending so it's totes cool.

Hard to keep track, honestly.

Posted by: DocJ at December 15, 2017 03:51 PM (NYS7S)

55 10 Tarring and feathering people is painful and cruel. I used to wonder how people could inflict that on another human being. But I understand it now.
Posted by: Agent Cooper at December 15, 2017 03:42 PM (oyCqX)

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Is dragging him behind a boat out of the question?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 15, 2017 03:51 PM (h7V7+)

56 50
I don't think they need McCain now.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 03:50 PM (3myMJ)
Mostly because they can't seat that shitstain from Alabama before the vote.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 03:51 PM (14URa)

57 >>No capital gain on the sale of a home you have lived in for 5 years


Schwing!

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:52 PM (8bEU0)

58 Corker mostly realized he is going to be on the wrong side of this. It will largely be a great bill. The problem is the individual rates are temporary and they left it to a future Congress to make them permanent. Which means we will get screwed

Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 03:52 PM (VpIIl)

59 What has happened to Republicans they can'teven cut taxes anymore?

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2017 03:52 PM (WonQS)

60 Lisa Bloom, who represented four Trump accusers -- two of whom came
forward, told the women she could arrange paid media appearances and
secure cash from donors in exchange for their public accusations, two of
her clients told The Hill.

Posted by: undocumented illegal barber at December 15, 2017 03:52 PM (e8kgV)

61 So, the deficit doesn't matter again?

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The deficit never matters in these types of things - not sure why we even pretend.

Do you have to have paid the payroll tax for this credit to kick in?

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 03:52 PM (sX1BW)

62 K-Y all the way down.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 03:52 PM (r9UYA)

63 43 WTF, Corker is a yes?

What with the what now?
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 03:49 PM (dEQP3)



It just makes you wonder about what other shit deals are being made. Doesn't even have to be something on this bill. Just some bullshit they stick into a later bill as the payoff.

I have no faith in Washington D.C. and look suspiciously at anything these grifters do that might be seen as beneficial to the country, and wonder what is their personal 30 piece of silver for something.

Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 03:52 PM (lKs2v)

64 QUESTION.

IS this tax bill worse than repealing net neutrality?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 15, 2017 03:52 PM (3BFzK)

65 "The child tax credit largely goes to people who don't pay any taxes. It's a clear giveaway. It has also been marred by fraud and abuse."

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To illegals?

Posted by: Decaf at December 15, 2017 03:52 PM (PCopq)

66 52 The whole let the criminals out of Kalifornia jail is why I now always carry. Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. AND FUCK YOU JERRY BROWNeye.
Posted by: Jukin


What I don't grasp is this:

The same people who go ballistic when a movie star grabs some chick's ass and demand that his life be ruined are the very people who are all sympathetic about the plight of a poor poor psychopathic rapist, and proudly release him from punishment.

WTF??????????????????

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 03:53 PM (42M22)

67 If Congress passes anything, the one thing that you can count on, is that it helps them and the donor's.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 15, 2017 03:53 PM (6Ll1u)

68 >>Corker mostly realized he is going to be on the wrong side of this. It will largely be a great bill. The problem is the individual rates are temporary and they left it to a future Congress to make them permanent. Which means we will get screwed

Same as with the Bush tax cuts and they got renewed.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 03:53 PM (/tuJf)

69 There will be 'language' in this bill that negates the changes at the stroke of noon on the 13th Friday after the President signs it into law. Or some other crap like saying beetlejuice 3 times.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 03:53 PM (zLDYs)

70 Mostly because they can't seat that shitstain from Alabama before the vote.
Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 03:51 PM (14URa)

Yep.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 03:53 PM (3myMJ)

71 They could take 90% of the Ds and 60% of the Rs in the house and senate
and line them up against the shooting wall and we would be much better
off. Replace them with names drawn at random via SS numbers and we
would be a whole lot further down the road to sanity.

Posted by: Bonecrusher at December 15, 2017 03:42 PM (r+mGZ)
Booyah! So right.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (14URa)


========

I'm against unlawful violence (get that, Bob?), but I do think Congress really are by and large traitors. If they were given a trial and thusly dealt with, I'm in complete agreement.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 15, 2017 03:53 PM (/qEW2)

72 Do you have to have paid the payroll tax for this credit to kick in?

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 03:52 PM (sX1BW)

===

Depends on how may anchor babies you have.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 15, 2017 03:54 PM (3BFzK)

73 Don't mock me too hard for asking, but is there even the remotest chance of a Donk vulnerable next year possibly voting "yes"?

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at December 15, 2017 03:54 PM (/G1rZ)

74 What I don't grasp is this:



The same people who go ballistic when a movie star grabs some
chick's ass and demand that his life be ruined are the very people who
are all sympathetic about the plight of a poor poor psychopathic rapist,
and proudly release him from punishment.



WTF??????????????????

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 03:53 PM (42M22)
You'd have to be there to believe it. People routinely vote themselves tax increases for the most ludicrous shit you've ever heard of. Stupidity probably glows in the dark.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 03:54 PM (14URa)

75 Don't mock me too hard for asking, but is there even the remotest chance of a Donk vulnerable next year possibly voting "yes"?

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at December 15, 2017 03:54 PM (/G1rZ)


Country over party only works one way

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 03:54 PM (OE2ur)

76 5 Will be interesting to see how the economy reacts to this over the next year and how hard dems will spin to focus on those left behind.
Posted by: IanDeal at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (qcIL3)




Watch the Commiecrat Crocodile Tears to start flowing about the Homeless issue again, until a Demunist gets elected and that all suddenly stops.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 03:54 PM (ujg0T)

77 Best move I ever made and thank God for fleece underthingies!
Posted by: Peaches
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Go on . . . .

Posted by: Tonypete at December 15, 2017 03:55 PM (tr2D7)

78 I believe it is uncapped on the home sale. I will need to leaf through the details, but it will be available later today.

Estate tax doubled, but it looks like it won't be repealed. Ditto the AMT. probably the two worst abandonments in this bill.

Anything can happen before what looks like Monday's vote.

By the way, they have a $10k cap on SALT deductions

Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 03:55 PM (VpIIl)

79 IS this tax bill worse than repealing net neutrality?

Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Jukin t

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Libs are going nuts on facebutt about it. I don't know how they survived before April of 2015.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 03:55 PM (3myMJ)

80 The ride out of town on a Rail wasn't any kinder.

Especially when the rail is vertical.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at December 15, 2017 03:55 PM (xQfPr)

81 When liberals get control of your justice system, your state is fucked. Really, truly fucked.
Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 03:46 PM (42M22)
*****************

And we're RIDING DIRTY!
*waves pussy hat in air*

Posted by: California at December 15, 2017 03:56 PM (6dFYM)

82 >>Watch the Commiecrat Crocodile Tears to start flowing about the Homeless issue again


Gonna be hard to pull on those heartsrings in Malibu this year.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:56 PM (8bEU0)

83 73
Don't mock me too hard for asking, but is there even the remotest chance of a Donk vulnerable next year possibly voting "yes"?

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at December 15, 2017 03:54 PM (/G1rZ)
None whatever. They could actually teach the Hitler Youth how to goose-step.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 03:56 PM (14URa)

84 I took a massive Rubio this morning.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 15, 2017 03:56 PM (VAlay)

85 Estate tax doubled, but it looks like it won't be repealed. Ditto the AMT. probably the two worst abandonments in this bill.

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AMT is horrible.

But the estate is the GOPs biggest tax victory. Look at what has happened to it over the past 10-15 years. It still exists, but affects far fewer people than it used to.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 03:57 PM (sX1BW)

86 @75 - I was looking at it more from the point of view of self- preservation in states PDT won.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at December 15, 2017 03:57 PM (/G1rZ)

87 Rubio is dealing with an Influx of Puerto Rican American Citizens Who Can Vote Immediately and Often

and who mostly ain't gonna be Big Earners. Welcome to the Sunshine State

Posted by: Francis Scott Key at December 15, 2017 03:57 PM (Co9e8)

88 "Estate tax doubled, but it looks like it won't be repealed. Ditto the AMT. probably the two worst abandonments in this bill."

Do you mean the $5mm single and $10mm dual household exemption amounts are going to $10mm and 20?


Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 03:57 PM (3myMJ)

89 Somebody mentioned to Corker that his retirement could be spent on a beach or in a courtroom.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:57 PM (mLLcY)

90 >>Estate tax doubled, but it looks like it won't be repealed.


The fuck?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:57 PM (8bEU0)

91 75 Don't mock me too hard for asking, but is there even the remotest chance of a Donk vulnerable next year possibly voting "yes"?

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at December 15, 2017 03:54 PM (/G1rZ)

Country over party only works one way
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 03:54 PM (OE2ur)



Manchin of WV is probably the last of the Boll Weevils or Blue Dogs, is up for reelection in 2018, and he could vote yes.

Doug Jones, the new Alabama guy, might become another one if he wants to stay past 2020?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 03:57 PM (ujg0T)

92 I'm happy if the mandate disappears.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 03:57 PM (4ErVI)

93 You'd have to be there to believe it. People
routinely vote themselves tax increases for the most ludicrous shit
you've ever heard of. Stupidity probably glows in the dark.


Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 03:54 PM (14URa)

============Here in moonbat central, the mayor (a clinical imbecile) ran on stopping the homeless problem. BUT we also increased the sales tax by 14% to, get this, pay for homeless facilities to make coming here more attractive to the homeless. .You. Can't. Make. This. Shit. Up.....except in Kali.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 15, 2017 03:58 PM (3BFzK)

94 The question likely asked of these Senators is who of you wants to go into Christmas recess labeled as the Grinch who stole the tax cuts from everyone in your State?

Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 03:58 PM (zOpu5)

95 Anything can happen before what looks like Monday's vote.

By the way, they have a $10k cap on SALT deductions


Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 03:55 PM (VpIIl)
I really appreciate your in-depth analysis of this whole thing. But, really, they're keeping the AMT? That's the work of satan right there.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 03:58 PM (14URa)

96 >>I'm happy if the mandate disappears.

It do.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 03:58 PM (/tuJf)

97 I took a massive Rubio this morning.

I hear drinking water helps.

Posted by: Satan at December 15, 2017 03:58 PM (oVJmc)

98 Tax cuts for people who pay no taxes.

ONLY IN AMERICA!

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 03:59 PM (e9Ipg)

99 >>84 I took a massive Rubio this morning.

Did it smell like Karl Rove's dick?

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 03:59 PM (r9UYA)

100 What I don't grasp is this:

The same people who go ballistic when a movie star grabs some chick's ass and demand that his life be ruined are the very people who are all sympathetic about the plight of a poor poor psychopathic rapist, and proudly release him from punishment.

WTF??????????????????

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 03:53 PM (42M22)


You clearly have not learned the lesson of proggie doublespeak yet. You'd think eight long years of the JEF would have you trained, but no.

You must hold at least 3 mutually exclusive beliefs at all times. And eventually, your ability to reason turns into something that looks and behaves like old, warm jello. THEN it will all make perfect sense to you.

Work on that...

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 15, 2017 03:59 PM (7UW64)

101 I thought Little Marco was short. Then i saw Corker. Both of them have SMD. (Short Men Disease)

Posted by: mikeyslaw at December 15, 2017 03:59 PM (JZJ9v)

102 So right now the only possible GOPe no-votes are Lee and Suzie-Q? Swell.

What are the odds McStain is going to make himself "unavailable to vote" until after the commie from AL is seated in January? Because is a spiteful piece of rancid shit, of course.

Posted by: DocJ at December 15, 2017 03:59 PM (NYS7S)

103 "AMT is horrible.



But the estate is the GOPs biggest tax victory. Look at what has
happened to it over the past 10-15 years. It still exists, but affects
far fewer people than it used to.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 03:57 PM (sX1BW)"
Understood. But in principle, the estate tax is despicable. It's a death tax that steals from people. It's confiscatory and sets a bad precedent. As long as it exists it will be leveraged for nefarious things.Remember, the original income tax was targeted at a "handful" of wealthy Americans.
The AMT is also outright theft perpetrated by gaming the tax system to the IRS advantage.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 04:00 PM (VpIIl)

104 "Estate tax doubled, but it looks like it won't be repealed. Ditto the AMT. probably the two worst abandonments in this bill."

Do you mean the $5mm single and $10mm dual household exemption amounts are going to $10mm and 20?

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You know why the GOP keeps winning big on the estate tax. Because they argue for its repeal on fairness alone (i.e., emotion). Stop talking about growth and deficits, etc. when it comes to taxes. I'd just argue that it is immoral to have to pay more than 15% to the federal government on taxes. Leave it at that.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:00 PM (sX1BW)

105 Rep. Trey Gowdy 'Predicts' Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe Will Be FIRED By Next Week (VIDEO)

During an appearance on Fox News, the South Carolina Republican 'predicted,' that McCabe will be fired by the time he is scheduled to appear in front of the House next week.

"I'll be a little bit surprised if he is still an employee of the FBI this time next week," Gowdy told Fox News when asked his thoughts on McCabe's upcoming hearing.

Posted by: undocumented illegal John Phillip Sousa at December 15, 2017 04:00 PM (e8kgV)

106 If they can wheel in 100 year old Strom Thurmond for a vote, they can get McCain and Cochran there also

Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 04:00 PM (HrSJb)

107 I took a massive Rubio this morning.

Did it smell like Karl Rove's dick?
Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 03:59 PM

With a hint of MConnell's taint. (Sorry I denounce myself.)

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 15, 2017 04:00 PM (VAlay)

108 Gonna be hard to pull on those heartsrings in Malibu this year.
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:56 PM (8bEU0)
****************
One of the recent fires and more of the past California fires (like in Oroville) that destroyed people's homes were started by homeless 'cooking' fires.

Libtards blame society for not providing 'affordable housing'.

Never do they suggest that house fires are started as 'cooking fires' as most house fires are.

The stupid is strong out here on the left coast.

Posted by: torabora at December 15, 2017 04:01 PM (6dFYM)

109 OT. Have yall seen the fox story about the Kate Steinle murderer wanting a new trial? Seems his lawyers think he never was in possetion of the gun. Shit 'O Dear.

Posted by: Dave-yeah another one at December 15, 2017 04:01 PM (aGrbt)

110 Trey Gowdy. The Deep state paper tiger. all bark no bite

Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 04:01 PM (HrSJb)

111 I'm still waiting to hear if anybody has tried preparing a recipe from the cookbook, sampled the dish and survived more than 24 hours.

There WILL be a prize.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 15, 2017 04:01 PM (wPiJc)

112 >>> The same people who go ballistic when a movie star grabs some chick's ass and demand that his life be ruined are the very people who are all sympathetic about the plight of a poor poor psychopathic rapist,
and proudly release him from punishment.

That story Zombie posted is absolutely horrific. Raped her for hours, shot her, ran her down with her own car? And are getting released now? SMH.

And people wonder why people need religion. I have a huge fairness kink. If I didn't believe in a life after this one, where all the many injustices of this world will be noted and resolved, I would probably go mad.

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 04:02 PM (hvf9s)

113 94 The question likely asked of these Senators is who of you wants to go into Christmas recess labeled as the Grinch who stole the tax cuts from everyone in your State?
Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 03:58 PM (zOpu5)




Except for those of us who have itemized all these years. As my local congresscritter McClintock put it, "leave no taxpayer behind".

This tax "reform" IS an improvement, reducing punitive corporate taxes and bringing said corporations home, but in many respects it is still a disappointment.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 04:02 PM (ujg0T)

114 all this shit is posturing, being done by a dump truck full of blowhard fucktards. the only reason they exist is to extort hard earned money from everyday americans. hell is too good for these lying, penis sipping, nicklefuckers. in memory of goodfellas, "fuck you, pay me."

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 04:02 PM (KP5rU)

115 109 & 110.

Second look at the Vehm?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 04:02 PM (fA1SL)

116 109. Gun charge on Steinle murderer was federal I believe?

Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 04:02 PM (HrSJb)

117 >>Trey Gowdy. The Deep state paper tiger. all bark no bite

I don't know, CBD assures me that he now has new powers conferred by Trump to shoot people on the House floor.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 04:02 PM (/tuJf)

118 Understood. But in principle, the estate tax is despicable. It's a death tax that steals from people. It's confiscatory and sets a bad precedent. As long as it exists it will be leveraged for nefarious things.Remember, the original income tax was targeted at a "handful" of wealthy Americans.

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Agree. Yet, that tax has seen the biggest reform over the past 15 years. For the reasons you listed. If only the GOP argued against high income tax rates in the same manner.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:02 PM (sX1BW)

119 I'm happy if the mandate disappears.

I love my man dates.

Posted by: Former President Barack Ohomo at December 15, 2017 04:03 PM (oVJmc)

120 107 I took a massive Rubio this morning.

Did it smell like Karl Rove's dick?
Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 03:59 PM

With a hint of MConnell's taint. (Sorry I denounce myself.)

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 15, 2017 04:00 PM (VAlay)


I can proudly say that I have no idea what any of that would smell like, and I'd like to keep it that way.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 15, 2017 04:03 PM (7UW64)

121 No capital gain on the sale of a home you have lived in for 5 years

=

effective 2018 ?

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:03 PM (QC/4S)

122 AMT is horrible.

But the estate is the GOPs biggest tax victory. Look at what has happened to it over the past 10-15 years. It still exists, but affects far fewer people than it used to.
Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 03:57 PM (sX1BW)



I think I mentioned this before but I received both a very large bonus and a ridiculously large raise within a few weeks of each other. I did some back of the envelope calculations and told the bookkeeper to kick my raise back one paycycle. She said why all stunned because, seriously, it was a huge amount of money. I told her that it would push me $1,000 over the AMT amount and that grand would cost me something like $6,000 in taxes.

Had I not know about the AMT, I would have been screwed in not the happy fun way.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:04 PM (dEQP3)

123 Good news everyone. I got news that all 8 kids i was trying to adopt have been approved. And thank you Sen Marco for your wonderful gift to the bambinos. We will use that money for medicine and diapers and shit. Honest.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:04 PM (e9Ipg)

124 117 >>Trey Gowdy. The Deep state paper tiger. all bark no bite

I don't know, CBD assures me that he now has new powers conferred by Trump to shoot people on the House floor.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 04:02 PM (/tuJf)


With a fart gun.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 15, 2017 04:04 PM (7UW64)

125 of all the donations we made in 2010 to bring in the new blood those Rubio dollars are the ones I regret giving away the most...should have doubled the donation to Star Parker and cut him out

Posted by: DanMan at December 15, 2017 04:04 PM (XTiHL)

126 I'm still waiting to hear if anybody has tried preparing a recipe from the cookbook, sampled the dish and survived more than 24 hours.

There WILL be a prize.
Posted by: Muldoon at December 15, 2017 04:01 PM

I tried the Gwyneth Paltrow steamed clams. I wouldn't recommend it, they came out Goopy, cold and very expensive. NOT worth the effort.

Posted by: Chris Martin at December 15, 2017 04:04 PM (VAlay)

127 Did I miss-hear Gowdy during the hearings earlier this week say that one of the FBI shit weasels said of Melania, Barron, and the family departing for the Inauguration, "Here come the douchebags now."

I was in the car and nearly drove off the road.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 04:04 PM (ptqGC)

128 Well, we all knew once it entered the Senate that it would smell, but at least they have something to pass that will give the economy some structural and predictable rocket fuel.

On to infrastructure and the lamentations of DACA leeches and Obamacare collapse.

Merry Christmas Morons.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 04:05 PM (YV+SU)

129 Forcing a sale of the family farm or business just to meet a tax bill is morally wrong but since when has Congress been morally right?

Posted by: torabora at December 15, 2017 04:05 PM (6dFYM)

130 Had I not know about the AMT, I would have been screwed in not the happy fun way.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:04 PM (dEQP3)


======
Depends which side of that transaction you are on.

Posted by: The IRS at December 15, 2017 04:05 PM (3BFzK)

131 >>I was in the car and nearly drove off the road.

That was one of Strzok's texts.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 04:05 PM (/tuJf)

132 I can proudly say that I have no idea what any of that would smell like, and I'd like to keep it that way.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 15, 2017 04:03 PM

We have a big tent for you. Get it...

Posted by: The GOHpee at December 15, 2017 04:06 PM (VAlay)

133 131; oh shit, here we go again.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 04:06 PM (KP5rU)

134 >>I was in the car and nearly drove off the road.



That was one of Strzok's texts.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 04:05 PM (/tuJf)


Jeebus. Which begs the inevitable question, "What if Michelle and the Obama children?"

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 04:06 PM (ptqGC)

135 so, if they sign this bill , will if affect 2017 taxes, filed in 2018 or 2018 taxes filed in 2019 ?

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:06 PM (QC/4S)

136 129 Forcing a sale of the family farm or business just to meet a tax bill is morally wrong but since when has Congress been morally right?
Posted by: torabora at December 15, 2017 04:05 PM (6dFYM)



THIS needs to be hammered home. Farming, ranching, and certain other businesses are, and always have been, asset-rich, but income-poor. THAT is the most damning indictment of the Estate Tax.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 04:07 PM (ujg0T)

137 No capital gain on the sale of a home you have lived in for 5 years

=

effective 2018 ?

------------

There is no capital gain tax on gain (up to $500,000 -
if married, $250,000 if single) on sale of home now (2017).

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:07 PM (sX1BW)

138 LOL!!! The Senate has become the House of Lords. We will give you a peerage Sir Corker and a castle for your Yes Vote.

After the vote , Cersei Lannister has him arrested

Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 04:07 PM (HrSJb)

139 Whose barber should be fired first: Bruce Ohr's or Trey Gowdy's?

Posted by: Furious George at December 15, 2017 04:07 PM (j+dfT)

140 Just got my copy of The Deplorable Gourmand. It is so much more professional than our sleazy online presence would have you believe!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 04:07 PM (qJtVm)

141 LOL!!! The Senate has become the House of Lords. We will give you a peerage Sir Corker and a castle for your Yes Vote.

After the vote , Cersei Lannister has him arrested
Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 04:07 PM

Dilly Dilly!

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 15, 2017 04:08 PM (VAlay)

142 so, if they sign this bill , will if affect 2017 taxes, filed in 2018 or 2018 taxes filed in 2019 ?

============

2018 taxes filed in 2019

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 15, 2017 04:08 PM (3BFzK)

143 Had I not know about the AMT, I would have been screwed in not the happy fun way.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:04 PM (dEQP3)
The AMT is the right hand of Satan. Good thing you caught that, empress. OTOH, nice that your excellence is being recognized in a quantifiable way. So, congrats, I think. xoxo

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 04:08 PM (14URa)

144
But in principle, the estate tax is despicable. It's a death tax that steals from people. It's confiscatory and sets a bad precedent.

I once heard an NPR commentator say "we in America have decided that you can make all you want but you can't take it with you."

That's how they think.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 04:09 PM (IqV8l)

145 There is no capital gain tax on gain (up to $500,000 -
if married, $250,000 if single) on sale of home now (2017).
Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:07 PM (sX1BW)


so they removed the cap completely ?

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:09 PM (QC/4S)

146 129 Forcing a sale of the family farm or business just to meet a tax bill is morally wrong but since when has Congress been morally right?
Posted by: torabora at December 15, 2017 04:05 PM (6dFYM)


THIS needs to be hammered home. Farming, ranching, and certain other businesses are, and always have been, asset-rich, but income-poor. THAT is the most damning indictment of the Estate Tax.

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Yes, but it now affects far fewer people than it used to. Not gone completely, but these are positive wins. And still gives the GOP the death tax message to hammer home. If only the GOP was as succesful in reducing individual income tax rates - that would affect many more people.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:09 PM (sX1BW)

147 Any word on whether aviation fuel and ammunition are allowable expenses under MAGA Service Ukase provisions?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 04:10 PM (fA1SL)

148 2018 taxes filed in 2019

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 15, 2017 04:08 PM (3BFzK)

no retroactive stuff..mkay

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:10 PM (QC/4S)

149 144
But in principle, the estate tax is despicable. It's a death tax that steals from people. It's confiscatory and sets a bad precedent.

I once heard an NPR commentator say "we in America have decided that you can make all you want but you can't take it with you."

That's how they think.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 04:09 PM (IqV8l)

How about leaving it to whomever you desire post-mortem without getting fucked in the ass by the federal government? Too much to ask, I suppose.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 04:10 PM (NWiLs)

150 I'd just argue that it is immoral to have to pay more than 15% to the federal government on taxes. Leave it at that.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:00 PM (sX1BW)
====================

God only asks 10 percent. Government thinks its better than God?

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:10 PM (lwiT4)

151 The same people who go ballistic when a movie star grabs some chick's ass and demand that his life be ruined are the very people who are all sympathetic about the plight of a poor poor psychopathic rapist, and proudly release him from punishment.

If you break down all liberal instincts into class and race (but mostly race) they are very, very consistent in their views.

Posted by: Max Power at December 15, 2017 04:10 PM (q177U)

152 so they removed the cap completely ?

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That's what it sounds like, but I'll let others weigh in on the details. But it doesn't sound like that was a big change.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:11 PM (sX1BW)

153 >>There is no capital gain tax on gain (up to $500,000 - if married, $250,000 if single) on sale of home now (2017).



But next year, no Min?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:11 PM (8bEU0)

154 If only the GOP was as succesful in reducing individual income tax rates - that would affect many more people.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:09 PM (sX1BW)

=========
If only the gopE was as successful at cutting spendi...HAHAHAHAHAHAHI just made myself laugh beer all over the monitor.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at December 15, 2017 04:11 PM (3BFzK)

155 Sounds like there is some confusion now about the sale of house.


Right now you need to have lived in the house for 2 of the past 5 years in order to not pay capital gains tax on the profits. $250K for single and $500K for married.


The change is going to be instead of 2/5 years, it's now 5/8 years, but the amounts stay the same.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:11 PM (e9Ipg)

156 All the state's high school football championship games were cancelled last weekend because of snow.

They're all rescheduled for tonight. The games were all to be played in the dome. Now they're being played at the home team's stadiums.

The local high school is about a mile from my house. The stadium can hold about 6,000 people. Expecting at least 20,000 tonight. General admission!!!! Gates open at 5:30. Traffic is already backed up over two miles.

General freaking admission!

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at December 15, 2017 04:11 PM (hS07U)

157 Current is $250/$500 if you lived 2 out of 5.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 04:11 PM (VpIIl)

158 I will most like get a couple thousand dollars tax cut out the deal. But the whole "simplification " idea has gone out the window.


BTW, what ever happened to the import duties/taxes that Trump was proposing?

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 04:11 PM (3svUe)

159 God only asks 10 percent. Government thinks its better than God?
Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:10 PM (lwiT4)

They have undeservedly and baselessly high self-esteem.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 04:11 PM (NWiLs)

160 The AMT is the right hand of Satan. Good thing you caught that, empress. OTOH, nice that your excellence is being recognized in a quantifiable way. So, congrats, I think. xoxo
Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 04:08 PM (14URa)


That was at the old job where I worked for the psychopaths. When I got the huge raise, my first response was no shit women get screwed on wages, I should have pitched a fit and demanded this four years ago.

Now, I make about half of what I made there and I don't regret a single thing. I also have maybe a tenth of the responsibilities and did I mention that The Boss stood at the office door today and the second the clock hit noon he said "We're closed, get out! Why are you both still here!"

Yeah, there are things that are worth more than money.

(Also I walked away from the psychopaths with a decent amount in a retirement fund so that makes a world of difference too.)

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:12 PM (dEQP3)

161
How about leaving it to whomever you desire post-mortem without getting fucked in the ass by the federal government? Too much to ask, I suppose.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 04:10 PM

Yes, it is too much to ask of our betters in the government. It's a jealousy tax, plain and simple. What they of course fail to realize is that many people use inheritances to better themselves, start a business etc. Can't have that now can we plebes.

Posted by: Minnfidel at December 15, 2017 04:12 PM (VAlay)

162 143 Had I not know about the AMT, I would have been screwed in not the happy fun way.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:04 PM (dEQP3)
The AMT is the right hand of Satan. Good thing you caught that, empress. OTOH, nice that your excellence is being recognized in a quantifiable way. So, congrats, I think. xoxo
Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 04:08 PM (14URa)



Not only that, but the AMT is convoluted and byzantine. Even those of us who prepare taxes for a living get surprised and baffled by it often.

Moreover, if wealthy people want to avoid taxes altogether by buying government bonds only, and buying a lot of new fixed assets to depreciate, why not let them? (Which was the original justification for creating the AMT back in 1969).

Rates of return on said bonds are much lower, buying new business equipment is always good for the economy, and I would rather have wealthy Americans own the national debt than wealthy Chinese.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 04:12 PM (ujg0T)

163
once heard an NPR commentator say "we in America have decided that you can make all you want but you can't take it with you."


Because before America came along wealthy people were allowed to take it with them.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2017 04:12 PM (lKyWE)

164 145 There is no capital gain tax on gain (up to $500,000 -
if married, $250,000 if single) on sale of home now (2017).
Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:07 PM (sX1BW)


so they removed the cap completely ?
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It allows people to retire and move to downsize their life without paying Uncle Sam a hefty slice of a lifetime.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 04:12 PM (YV+SU)

165 If only the gopE was as successful at cutting spendi...HAHAHAHAHAHAHI just made myself laugh beer all over the monitor.

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Yeah, well I know better than to think we will ever cut spending. So I'll just fight to keep as much of my money as I can.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:12 PM (sX1BW)

166 >>The change is going to be instead of 2/5 years, it's now 5/8 years, but the amounts stay the same.


Ah, so the gift of a steaming pile of nothing.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:12 PM (8bEU0)

167 150: grammie, the government thinks they are god. nobody has ever said they're not. so, they believe it.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 04:13 PM (KP5rU)

168 Next year it looks like 5 out of 8 years, no capital gain tax. I will have to go read it again.

Effective 2018

Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 04:13 PM (VpIIl)

169 Weasel Announces Hatred for All Politicians.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 04:13 PM (Sfs6o)

170 WTF??????????????????

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 03:53 PM (42M22)


========

It's the same with PETA. When animal kills animal, they sigh and say "Isn't nature grand?" If a hunter on safari from America kills an animal "Oh! It's an OUTRAGE".

This is what I think is going on: imagine there is someone who thinks it is appalling that a red haired man murders someone. But when a brown haired man murders someone, they don't seem to mind or even notice.

Eventually you begin to suspect that it is not the act of murder that they feel is morally repugnant. You suspect that they do not like red haired people, and lie about it, because to express an arbitrary preference would be too obviously evil, even for their fellow liberals.

And that is why they gladly forgive the right kinds of rapists, and try to destroy the wrong kinds. They don't care about the crime. They are really expressing a dislike of certain individuals rather than a moral principle.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 15, 2017 04:14 PM (/qEW2)

171 THAT is the most damning indictment of the Estate Tax.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 04:07 PM (ujg0T)

Taxing ANY asset that has already been taxed just due to death is immoral.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 04:14 PM (3myMJ)

172 >>>God only asks 10 percent. Government thinks its better than God?

When Billy covets his neighbor's stuff, God won't give it to him. The government will. And thats why the government costs more than God.

Posted by: wooga at December 15, 2017 04:15 PM (uCYAx)

173 I was at an event in DC where Mike Lee was speaking one time. His entire staff was gorgeous young Mormon girls who roughly looked like Katherine Heigl.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 15, 2017 04:15 PM (mynhJ)

174 They should have traded a death tax for a tax on legacy foundations.

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 04:15 PM (3svUe)

175 The change is going to be instead of 2/5 years, it's now 5/8 years, but the amounts stay the same.

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So this actually got worse.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:15 PM (sX1BW)

176 I think paying cap gains for a primary home is retarded. Investment or 2nd homes, yeah that should be taxed. But prumary residences....no way.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:15 PM (e9Ipg)

177 What would we do without Jim Jordan and David Nunes? they forced the GopE to finally go after the corrupt FBI.

Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 04:15 PM (HrSJb)

178
On to infrastructure and the lamentations of DACA leeches and Obamacare collapse.

CNN - 26-year-olds face challenges as they fall off parents' health insurance

https://tinyurl.com/y9ysla9p

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 04:15 PM (IqV8l)

179 Florida AG Bondi.....

She's a naughty, naughty AG. I need to confer with her ' in camera '. Hope the desk is sturdy and the walls are soundproof.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 04:16 PM (fA1SL)

180
It do.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 03:58 PM (/tuJf)

It actually disappears as in they strike the language as they should?



Or it just is (temporarily set to zero) like it was when they lied about repealing it in the "repeal" of Ocare bill?

Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 04:16 PM (f5uaD)

181 It was warming my heart this morning when I heard Little Marco was going to kill the Tax plan ' for the children'

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 04:16 PM (aC6Sd)

182 Yeah, there are things that are worth more than money.



(Also I walked away from the psychopaths with a decent amount in a retirement fund so that makes a world of difference too.)

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:12 PM (dEQP3)
Yup, plenty of stuff worth more than money. And you will love having a retirement fund bump because retirement beats the living snot out of working. Even if you're poor.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 04:17 PM (14URa)

183 How many seats are up for contention next time? Licks finger and points it to the wind. I predict lying on a democrat scale.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 15, 2017 04:17 PM (6Ll1u)

184 there are some weird provisions on cap gains too..hmmm

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:17 PM (QC/4S)

185 grammie, the government thinks they are god. nobody has ever said they're not. so, they believe it.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 04:13 PM (KP5rU)
==========================

I like it when Trump says in his stump speeches: "Here in America, we don't worship the government. We worship God." It's one of his most effective lines IMO.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:17 PM (lwiT4)

186 THAT is the most damning indictment of the Estate Tax.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 04:07 PM (ujg0T)

Taxing ANY asset that has already been taxed just due to death is immoral.

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But if you get a step-up in basis, this exemption amount raise will probably help a lot of people. Will have to look at details, but I assume people can get a step up in basis without having to pay estate taxes, such that when heirs do sell, capital gains will be lower. May need to clarify that you get the stepup though.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:17 PM (sX1BW)

187 I concur with above...i will get about 3k in savings. Which is nice. But i would have preferred 1k savings and a simplification of the tax code. Get the govt out of deciding what good and bad behavior is through the tax code.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:17 PM (e9Ipg)

188 173. Hmmmmm... Katherine Heigl.

Uh Oh . Lisa Bloom just pressed charges against me.

Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 04:17 PM (HrSJb)

189 >>>We will give you a peerage Sir Corker and a castle for your Yes Vote.

I think Longshanks would get to 51 votes much quicker than McConnell.

And then he would throw Rubio out the window.

Posted by: wooga at December 15, 2017 04:18 PM (uCYAx)

190 176
I think paying cap gains for a primary home is retarded. Investment or
2nd homes, yeah that should be taxed. But prumary residences....no way.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:15 PM (e9Ipg)

Why not eliminate capital gains entirely -including the deduction if a taxpayer suffered a loss on an investment? One more thing to simplify the tax code.
Get rid of the death tax. All the hype about it is overblown as there are so many ways to shelter assets from it already. Unless the taxpayer doesn't take these steps -then they are punished for it.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 15, 2017 04:18 PM (jxbfJ)

191 It seems through a few channels and Congressman it will pass.
( fingers crossed)

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 04:18 PM (aC6Sd)

192 182: preaching to the choir here, Peaches.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 04:18 PM (KP5rU)

193 Right now you need to have lived in the house for 2 of the past 5 years in order to not pay capital gains tax on the profits.



So, 27 years is ok?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 04:18 PM (GjTLE)

194 >>So, 27 years is ok?


NO MATHS!

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:19 PM (8bEU0)

195 Cernovich and the boys say the US house will be rocked soon with the unleashing of many sex settlements.

and get this some women in congress included.

Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 04:19 PM (HrSJb)

196 188 173. Hmmmmm... Katherine Heigl.

Uh Oh . Lisa Bloom just pressed charges against me.
Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 04:17 PM (HrSJb)

Maybe if we get enough re-tweets, she'll give us a conjugal visit in prison

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 15, 2017 04:19 PM (mynhJ)

197 5/8n is bad, really bad ..who is the idiot who thought of that one ???

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:19 PM (QC/4S)

198 I have no idea if we'll come out ahead or behind. I know they keep talking about dinking around with the parsonage allowance. I don't know if they did anything with that or not. That would hurt us - big time.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:19 PM (lwiT4)

199 Sen (Pa) Pat Toomey yesterday said the personnel mandate would be gone if passed

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 04:19 PM (aC6Sd)

200 All the hype about it is overblown as there are so many ways to shelter assets from it already. Unless the taxpayer doesn't take these steps -then they are punished for it.

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You can't shelter around it completely. In the end, if your estate is big enough, it will be subject to the tax.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:20 PM (sX1BW)

201 27 years? Wow. I havent lived in the same place for 27 months most of my adult life.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:20 PM (e9Ipg)

202 189. Longshanks in Braveheart? what a scene that was. Good catch

Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 04:20 PM (HrSJb)

203 "CNN - 26-year-olds face challenges as they fall off parents' health insurance"

Just changing who faces the challenge. And parents can still loan their "kids" money if they want. It would be a challenge at 36 too, so what?

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 04:20 PM (3myMJ)

204 >>> How about leaving it to whomever you desire post-mortem without getting fucked in the ass by the federal government? Too much to ask, I suppose.
Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 04:10 PM (NWiLs)

And the fact you ALREADY paid taxes on it. It is the government trying to rob you twice. Or turning whatever legacy you try to leave posterity into a huge white elephant they can't afford. It's evil. Does not surprise me the brain trusts at NPR don't get that.

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 04:21 PM (hvf9s)

205 201. Like most here, you follow the hobo herds.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 04:21 PM (fA1SL)

206 5/8n is bad, really bad ..who is the idiot who thought of that one ???

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Well I suppose it is more punishing to blue state east coasters than flyover red states. So it has that going for it.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:21 PM (sX1BW)

207 7 years? Wow. I havent lived in the same place for 27 months most of my adult life.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:20 PM (e9Ipg)



On the run from the law?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 04:21 PM (493sH)

208 116 109. Gun charge on Steinle murderer was federal I believe?
Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 04:02 PM (HrSJb)



No. The Feds want to charge him more since California is willing to let a murderer skate free except on the minimum charge of felony possession of a firearm. But the lawyer wants to overturn that because clearly he wasn't in possession of the gun and the only reason he threw it into the ocean is because the gun had a mind of its own and was shooting without permission so he threw it in the ocean to make it stop.


I expect all of this is so they can refuse to turn him over to the feds. Then they get the gun charge overturned and release him before the feds can take him into custody again. Which is why he was able to murder Steinle in the first place.

Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 04:21 PM (lKs2v)

209 186 THAT is the most damning indictment of the Estate Tax.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 04:07 PM (ujg0T)

Taxing ANY asset that has already been taxed just due to death is immoral.

---------------
But if you get a step-up in basis, this exemption amount raise will probably help a lot of people. Will have to look at details, but I assume people can get a step up in basis without having to pay estate taxes, such that when heirs do sell, capital gains will be lower. May need to clarify that you get the stepup though.
Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:17 PM (sX1BW)



THIS, too. Basis rules in some ways were even more important, and for the Demunists even more pernicious, than the exemption amounts.

After all, if the basis can be stepped up for the heirs, then the "gain" on the farm, ranch or small business can be minimized, or often eliminated altogether.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 04:22 PM (ujg0T)

210 -
--
And that is why they gladly forgive the right kinds
of rapists, and try to destroy the wrong kinds. They don't care about
the crime. They are really expressing a dislike of certain individuals
rather than a moral principle.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 15, 2017 04:14 PM

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As radio guy Mike Rosen says, behind every double standard there's an unstated single standard.


Posted by: irright at December 15, 2017 04:22 PM (pMGkg)

211 199. Individual mandate gone, will be very popular with GOP base, and help in 2018 elections.

Most people know of that, unlike the other aspects of the bill

Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 04:22 PM (HrSJb)

212 Mike Lee?! Say it isn't so!

Posted by: CommonSenseMom at December 15, 2017 04:22 PM (NSIL9)

213 Should I have a raspberry ale and sit here on the blog, or should I unload the dishwasher. Hmm. Thinking.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:22 PM (lwiT4)

214 27 years? Wow. I havent lived in the same place for 27 months most of my adult life.
Posted by: #neverskankles


28 &1/2 years with the same company.
Putting down roots is an understatement.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 04:22 PM (GjTLE)

215 Weasel Announces Hatred for All Politicians.
Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 04:13 PM


Since today is Free Shipping Day, are the Politicians getting their Hatred shipped free?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 15, 2017 04:22 PM (ctuyM)

216 Toomey was interviewed by Chris Stigall and he knows this Tax bill stuff, he said blue states with high taxes the wealthiest are going to pay a bit more but generally everyone will see reductions.

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 04:22 PM (aC6Sd)

217 if you're 26 and still on mommies health insurance, maybe it's time to check into an institution. or, move to peruvia.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 04:22 PM (KP5rU)

218 We already have Franken demanding prima nochte, and Trump shoots fireballs from his arse. So I think Braveheart is very apt.

Posted by: wooga at December 15, 2017 04:22 PM (uCYAx)

219 5/8 change will keep people from moving to take new jobs or start new ventures. This is so fucking stupid. Id expect it from Bernie and Co. Not supposed free market capitalists like Payl Ryan

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:22 PM (e9Ipg)

220 Uh Oh . Lisa Bloom just pressed charges against me.

Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 04:17 PM (HrSJb)


Show us on the doll where she pressed you, donny. It's okay, you're safe here. Want a coke?

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 04:23 PM (14URa)

221 5/8n is bad, really bad ..who is the idiot who thought of that one ???

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Well I suppose it is more punishing to blue state east coasters than flyover red states. So it has that going for it.
Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:21 PM (sX1BW)


or people who get a good job somewhere and have to move...but thank you for that piece of narrow thinking...

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:23 PM (QC/4S)

222 With passage of this bill, in two years the Dow will be at 50,000.

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 04:23 PM (3svUe)

223 @219 - yes, very shortsighted

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:23 PM (QC/4S)

224 213 Should I have a raspberry ale and sit here on the blog, or should I unload the dishwasher. Hmm. Thinking.
Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:22 PM (lwiT4)
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It's not wise to handle china and glassware while drinking. For your own safety, remain seated!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 04:23 PM (qJtVm)

225 Should I have a raspberry ale and sit here on the blog, or should I unload the dishwasher. Hmm. Thinking.
Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:22 PM


Embrace the joyfulness of and?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 15, 2017 04:23 PM (ctuyM)

226 195 Cernovich and the boys say the US house will be rocked soon with the unleashing of many sex settlements.

and get this some women in congress included.
Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 04:19 PM (HrSJb)



Dyke Democrats getting nailed here?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 04:23 PM (ujg0T)

227 185
grammie, the government thinks they are god. nobody has ever said they're not. so, they believe it.



Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 04:13 PM (KP5rU)
==========================

I
like it when Trump says in his stump speeches: "Here in America, we
don't worship the government. We worship God." It's one of his most
effective lines IMO.


Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:17 PM (lwiT4)

AMEN.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at December 15, 2017 04:24 PM (jxbfJ)

228 Congrats #neverskankles on the adoption news!!! Lucky kiddos. And if we have to pay more taxes because of Marco, I'm glad it's going to people like you.

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 04:24 PM (hvf9s)

229 >>5/8 change will keep people from moving to take new jobs or start new ventures.


It will kill a lot of urban renewal.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:24 PM (8bEU0)

230 Its also Cat herding day
Isn't that Aces job Around here really?

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 04:24 PM (aC6Sd)

231 And the fact you ALREADY paid taxes on it. It is the
government trying to rob you twice. Or turning whatever legacy you try
to leave posterity into a huge white elephant they can't afford. It's
evil. Does not surprise me the brain trusts at NPR don't get that.

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 04:21 PM (hvf9s)This is the part that fries my ass. Money that's already been taxed should NOT be taxed again. And I'm not rich, I'm not even close but THIS right here is so wrong, for everyone.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 04:24 PM (14URa)

232 I don't think gains on sale of your primary should taxed AT ALL (agree with whoever said that above)

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:24 PM (QC/4S)

233 It's not wise to handle china and glassware while drinking. For your own safety, remain seated!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 04:23 PM (qJtVm)
=======================

By George, you're right. Safety first!

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:24 PM (lwiT4)

234 These POS are worse than the mafia, dipping their beaks into the public Fisk, I wonder what the amount of the payoff was for little Marco to push this crap?

Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2017 04:25 PM (IUKdF)

235 or people who get a good job somewhere and have to move...but thank you for that piece of narrow thinking...

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I didn't say I was for it. I'm guessing this change was made as part of CBO scoring. Seems overly complicated. But in the end, it hurts blue staters more because those houses are the ones that would likely see significant appreciation in a short period of time. Most people who have to sell within 5 years would likely not have much of a gain once you account for transaction costs.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:25 PM (sX1BW)

236 Sen (Pa) Pat Toomey yesterday said the personnel mandate would be gone if passed

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 04:19 PM (aC6Sd)

Given that everyone of them was lying about the repeal bill eliminating the mandate, has anyone seen the actual language?

And is it is just the individual mandate or the more damaging (and more collectable for the IRS) business mandate too?

Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 04:25 PM (f5uaD)

237 It will kill a lot of urban renewal.

==

that too, urban renewal and reinvestment

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:25 PM (QC/4S)

238 what state is that where they tax the tax you paid for a big ticket item?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 04:26 PM (KP5rU)

239 Is conservatism dead?

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at December 15, 2017 04:26 PM (2X7pN)

240 I cannot in good conscience support this bill unless it includes a brake job credit. Specifically, a 1997 Ford Ranger brake job credit.

God bless America.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 15, 2017 04:26 PM (398bZ)

241
It will kill a lot of urban renewal.

==============


I wish it would kill PBS.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:26 PM (lwiT4)

242 >>what state is that where they tax the tax you paid for a big ticket item?


The State of Nirvana

Posted by: Bernie Sanders at December 15, 2017 04:26 PM (8bEU0)

243 5/8 change will keep people from moving to take new
jobs or start new ventures. This is so fucking stupid. Id expect it from
Bernie and Co. Not supposed free market capitalists like Payl Ryan

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:22 PM (e9Ipg)

What is the 5/8 change?

Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 04:27 PM (f5uaD)

244 grammie, the rev can unload the dishwasher. it's the natural order of things.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 04:27 PM (KP5rU)

245 >>>This is what I think is going on: imagine there is someone who thinks it is appalling that a red haired man murders someone. But when a brown haired man murders someone, they don't seem to mind or even notice.

That's actually how it currently works.

Posted by: Max Power at December 15, 2017 04:27 PM (q177U)

246 @239

Deader than Dillinger.

Deader than Sonny at the toll plaza.

Deader than Clinton's Marriage.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2017 04:27 PM (IUKdF)

247 Is conservatism dead?

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at December 15, 2017 04:26 PM (2X7pN)
=======================

Yep. It's every man for himself, and may God have mercy upon your soul.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:27 PM (lwiT4)

248 235

Plenty of non blue state coast homes have appreciated significantly in the past 2 to 3 years, like 6 figure appreciation even after selling costs.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:28 PM (e9Ipg)

249 >>What is the 5/8 change?


Instead of 3 out of every 5 slaves counting towards the Census, 5 of every 8 will now count.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:28 PM (8bEU0)

250 grammie, did you turn on the disco ball yet? Because, it's Friday night and, well, there's no better time for a double dose of fukital.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 04:28 PM (14URa)

251 What is the 5/8 change?
Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 04:27 PM (f5uaD)

home sale, cap gain requirements - 2/5 before, 5/8 now ...so if live in home 4/8 years, sell - pay cap gains

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:28 PM (QC/4S)

252 After reading half of peggy noonan's article I'm trying to understand why I even bother to vote Republican. I couldn't stomach finishing the dreck she wrote.

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at December 15, 2017 04:29 PM (2X7pN)

253 What is the 5/8 change?

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Under existing law, no capital gains on sale of home (gain capped at $500,000 if married, $250,000 if single) provided it was your residence for 3 years out of 5.

Now going to be 5 years out of 8.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:29 PM (sX1BW)

254 home sale, cap gain requirements - 2/5 before, 5/8 now ...so if live in home 4/8 years, sell - pay cap gains

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:28 PM (QC/4S)

Ahhh

Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 04:29 PM (f5uaD)

255 grammie, the rev can unload the dishwasher. it's the natural order of things.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 04:27 PM (KP5rU)
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Funny you should say that. Before he left this morning, he said "Just leave the dishes when they're done. I can put them away when I get home."

Actual words. He treats me too good, so I really shouldn't take advantage.

Still .....

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:29 PM (lwiT4)

256 >>6 figure appreciation even after selling costs.


I'll still be paying Cap Gains on 250-350k if I sell my place next year. Yay - Tax Cuts!

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:30 PM (8bEU0)

257 187 I concur with above...i will get about 3k in savings. Which is nice. But i would have preferred 1k savings and a simplification of the tax code. Get the govt out of deciding what good and bad behavior is through the tax code.
Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:17 PM (e9Ipg)




You know, given how much societal damage the Left has done, if the tax code can be used to reverse or undo that damage, then we should use it.

--Encouraging home and other land ownership widely distributed among the population means less Commiecrats.
--Encouraging people to own individual investment and retirement accounts also means less Commiecrats.
--A tax code that encourages marriage and in-wedlock births would do the same.
--Let us also do that to people's Social Security "trust funds" and to people's health care plans, rather then making them think the government or their employers owe them something.

Encourage an Ownership Society.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 04:30 PM (ujg0T)

258 Always plenty to squawk about in a tax bill, but this is good on the whole and I see no way it doesn't pass. If somehow it fails, you can say hello again to Speaker Pelosi and welcome Majority Leader Schumer. Meditate on that, purists.

Posted by: diegosundevil at December 15, 2017 04:30 PM (7R8V7)

259 I believe Trump is trying to cut spending himself, on the theory the Executive branch decides how to organize the agencies. We will get less spending.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at December 15, 2017 04:30 PM (ylUqT)

260 Ahhh
Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 04:29 PM (f5uaD)

the amount stays the same I gather - over 500k for couple , 250k for single filers

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:30 PM (QC/4S)

261 Carlos Santana (baseballer, not singer) to Philly.

Posted by: logprof at December 15, 2017 04:30 PM (GsAUU)

262 Under existing law, no capital gains on sale of home
(gain capped at $500,000 if married, $250,000 if single) provided it
was your residence for 3 years out of 5.



Now going to be 5 years out of 8.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:29 PM (sX1BW)

That doesn't seem better at all... that is a backward slide toward more taxes.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 04:31 PM (f5uaD)

263 Funny you should say that. Before he left this morning, he said "Just leave the dishes when they're done. I can put them away when I get home."

Actual words. He treats me too good, so I really shouldn't take advantage.

Still .....
Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:29 PM (lwiT4)



A submissive wife listens to her husband's wise words.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:31 PM (dEQP3)

264 grammie, did you turn on the disco ball yet?
Because, it's Friday night and, well, there's no better time for a
double dose of fukital.


Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 04:28 PM (14URa)
========================

We're gonna do that when we get back from Fish Fry. Do they do Friday night Fish Fry in Indiana?

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:31 PM (lwiT4)

265 Plenty of non blue state coast homes have appreciated significantly in the past 2 to 3 years, like 6 figure appreciation even after selling costs.

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I certainly didn't mean to imply that it was none. Just that it is likely to affect blue staters more. To be clear, it seems like an unnecessary and complicated change. It made things worse, and yes I agree homes should not be subject to capital gains tax.

I was just trying to come up with some bright side as to why this change was made ... and that was the best I could do.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:31 PM (sX1BW)

266 Call me cynical, but I think all this drama over the votes was just a scheme to give Mike Pence an excuse not to make that Middle East trip.

Posted by: Serious Cat at December 15, 2017 04:31 PM (Hnqc1)

267 -
--
I'll still be paying Cap Gains on 250-350k if I sell my place next year. Yay - Tax Cuts!


Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:30 PM

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You could always sell it for less.


Posted by: irright at December 15, 2017 04:31 PM (pMGkg)

268 Under existing law, no capital gains on sale of home (gain capped at $500,000 if married, $250,000 if single) provided it was your residence for 3 years out of 5.

Now going to be 5 years out of 8.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:29 PM (sX1BW)



Is there any reason why these fuckwits can't just cut people's taxes and leave it at that?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 04:31 PM (493sH)

269 247
Is conservatism dead?

Posted by: Concerned People's Front Splitter Chapter at December 15, 2017 04:26 PM (2X7pN)
=======================

Yep. It's every man for himself, and may God have mercy upon your soul.
Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:27 PM (lwiT4)

Not dead... just politically in decline... Conservatism is a state of mind... in some resects hard wired into some of us...
like liberalism, or more properly liberality.

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 04:31 PM (zSVEm)

270 >>169 Weasel Announces Hatred for All Politicians.

UF supports this message.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 04:31 PM (r9UYA)

271 A submissive wife listens to her husband's wise words.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:31 PM (dEQP3)
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Yes!!! I knew there was a way to get the New Testament to work for me!!

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:32 PM (lwiT4)

272 255: grammie, i have been married for over forty years. that kind of stuff is implied. all guys know this.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 04:32 PM (KP5rU)

273 That doesn't seem better at all... that is a backward slide toward more taxes.

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Its not better. It is worse. Unless, the cap went up or away, I don't know why the change was made. I can only think it was done for CBO scoring purposes.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:33 PM (sX1BW)

274 Carlos Santana (baseballer, not singer) to Philly.
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He can't do both?

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:33 PM (lwiT4)

275 Yes!!! I knew there was a way to get the New Testament to work for me!!
Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:32 PM (lwiT4)



See! See how I am helpful! Not like you people say!

Hmmm. I am not having dinner with the 'rents because Dad had two teeth pulled today so we're doing brunch tomorrow and now I'm all overwhelmed by free choice on what to order.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:33 PM (dEQP3)

276 My copy of the cookbook just arrived.

Posted by: An Observation at December 15, 2017 04:33 PM (Izbwn)

277 271

A submissive wife listens to her husband's wise words.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:31 PM (dEQP3)
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Yes!!! I knew there was a way to get the New Testament to work for me!!
Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:32 PM (lwiT4)



So... desciption of Unicorn... at least in My Life Experiences.

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 04:34 PM (zSVEm)

278 now I'm all overwhelmed by free choice on what to order.



Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:33 PM (dEQP3)
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Friday Night Fish Fry!!

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:35 PM (lwiT4)

279 Overall this tax bill is better than what we have now. But it's a big letdown compared to what I thought we'd get after the election. I was hoping for a literal post card tax return with 3 or 4 low tax rates and elimination of most deductions. Instead the tax code is now even more complicated with even more social engineering. The GOP would die of thirst living in the rain forest they're that incompetent.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:35 PM (e9Ipg)

280 247. Yep. It's every man for himself, and may God have mercy upon your soul.
Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:27 PM (lwiT4)
**
* adds grammie's resume to recruiting & onboarding for armoured train crew *

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 04:35 PM (fA1SL)

281 We're gonna do that when we get back from Fish Fry. Do they do Friday night Fish Fry in Indiana?


Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:31 PM (lwiT4)
I heard from Zana down the street, who is 92, that they do a fish fry at the casino on Friday nights, I guess she goes with her family. She's awesome but I had no idea there were casinos in India and, frankly, I'm already here and here is where I'm stayin'. :-)

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 04:36 PM (14URa)

282 Overall this tax bill is better than what we have now. But it's a big letdown compared to what I thought we'd get after the election.

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A perfect assessment.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:36 PM (sX1BW)

283 So, the answer is the same as always. After all the grinding of teeth...what we do is analyze the final bill and react as needed.

Been doing that for about 45 years. It's worked out fine.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 04:36 PM (3myMJ)

284 287
now I'm all overwhelmed by free choice on what to order.



Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:33 PM (dEQP3)
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Friday Night Fish Fry!!
Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:35 PM (lwiT4)

Arminian problems, alex... for us Calvinists... every choice is right...

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 04:36 PM (zSVEm)

285 275. Steak. And vodka. But mostly vodka.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 04:36 PM (fA1SL)

286 I just read some of Eminem's anti-Trump lyrics from his new album. Physical threats about both Ivanka and Melania. He sounds nice. *rolls eyes* Despite the #metoo movement I predict this will go entirely unnoticed.

Hopefully Trump just ignores him. Not worth the tweet.

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 04:37 PM (hvf9s)

287 Friday Night Fish Fry!!
Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:35 PM (lwiT4)


I would but I don't like fish.

I know, I know.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:37 PM (dEQP3)

288 Fuck Marco, that is straight up welfare.

Posted by: Apache at December 15, 2017 04:38 PM (uc45P)

289 * adds grammie's resume to recruiting & onboarding for armoured train crew *

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 04:35 PM (fA1SL)

Armored train has lounge car, one presumes?

Posted by: Miklos, who hears the whistle a'blowin' at December 15, 2017 04:38 PM (zCyNd)

290 66 What I don't grasp is this:

The same people who go ballistic when a movie star grabs some chick's ass and demand that his life be ruined are the very people who are all sympathetic about the plight of a poor poor psychopathic rapist, and proudly release him from punishment.

WTF??????????????????

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 03:53 PM (42M22)


And the same people are opposed to capital punishment for brutal convicted killers, and totally OK with dismembering and Killing babies.

Posted by: Iowa Bob, true GOP warrior (now with 40% more principles) at December 15, 2017 04:38 PM (tu3iY)

291 Cernovich and the boys say the US house will be rocked soon with the unleashing of many sex settlements.

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Oh, I hope included is a certain Senator from Massachusetts who like to recreate the Battle of Little Big Horn in her office late at night after tough votes.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at December 15, 2017 04:38 PM (ylUqT)

292 MarketWatch: Stocks finish at record highs on optimism over tax deal

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 04:38 PM (3myMJ)

293 >>I know, I know.


You are the gift that keeps on giving, Empress.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:38 PM (8bEU0)

294 I just read some of Eminem's anti-Trump lyrics from his new album. Physical threats about both Ivanka and Melania. He sounds nice. *rolls eyes* Despite the #metoo movement I predict this will go entirely unnoticed.

Hopefully Trump just ignores him. Not worth the tweet.
Posted by: LizLem


Would be nice if he sent some Navy Seals to tune 'em up.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 04:39 PM (GjTLE)

295 I would but I don't like fish.



I know, I know.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:37 PM (dEQP3)
They're not spiders, atc . . . you such a picky woman.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 04:39 PM (14URa)

296 289. Every modern comfort & luxury.

Here is promotional vidyo:

https://youtu.be/g_jCIe9OVZ8

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 04:39 PM (fA1SL)

297 I'm still crosdjng my fingers on the tax bill, only God knows what Congressmen or Senator will put up a last minute fix they want or else like Rubio almost did. I wang a tax form on a post card as well but there are billions spent and made to make it as difficult as possible.

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 04:39 PM (aC6Sd)

298
I was hoping for a literal post card tax return with 3 or 4 low tax rates and elimination of most deductions.

That will never happen as long as we are ruled by those who see themselves as social engineers.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 04:40 PM (IqV8l)

299 The Facebook:

Hard Questions: Is Spending Time on Social Media Bad for Us?

The bad: In general, when people spend a lot of time passively consuming information -- reading but not interacting with people -- they report feeling worse afterward. In one experiment, University of Michigan students randomly assigned to read Facebook for 10 minutes were in a worse mood at the end of the day than students assigned to post or talk to friends on Facebook. A study from UC San Diego and Yale found that people who clicked on about four times as many links as the average person, or who liked twice as many posts, reported worse mental health than average in a survey. Though the causes aren't clear, researchers hypothesize that reading about others online might lead to negative social comparison -- and perhaps even more so than offline, since people's posts are often more curated and flattering. Another theory is that the internet takes people away from social engagement in person.

Posted by: undocumented illegal Carl Sagan at December 15, 2017 04:40 PM (e8kgV)

300 274
Carlos Santana (baseballer, not singer) to Philly.
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He can't do both?


Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:33 PM (lwiT4)
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He can! And he has a good twitter feed too.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at December 15, 2017 04:40 PM (ylUqT)

301 279 Overall this tax bill is better than what we have now. But it's a big letdown compared to what I thought we'd get after the election. I was hoping for a literal post card tax return with 3 or 4 low tax rates and elimination of most deductions. Instead the tax code is now even more complicated with even more social engineering. The GOP would die of thirst living in the rain forest they're that incompetent.
Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:35 PM (e9Ipg)

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Common on skanks, nobody ever promised you a post card tax return. /sarc

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 04:41 PM (3svUe)

302 What deductions will be allowed with the latest version? I've heard state and local tax deductions will be capped at $10,000 (I pay about $18,000/year - what a selfish jerk I must be!). And I think I heard mortgage interest will still be deductible? Because that's the one thing I have control over, and God forbid we discourage people from carrying tons of debt. But what about health insurance premiums? And does the child tax credit still end after age 15? Because they wiped out the personal exemptions, but my 17 and 15 YO kids wouldn't qualify for the CTC next year, unless they changed that cutoff.


Posted by: Chris M at December 15, 2017 04:41 PM (eAZVt)

303 >>Carlos Santana (baseballer, not singer) to Philly


Both are Smooth.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:41 PM (8bEU0)

304 I can't understand why anyone's hopes was raised.

These are scorpions. It's in their nature.

I do have some faith that Trump has a good idea how the Investigation will end (take your pick) and that he will come out ok and that others may not.

So I look forward to the spring of '18.

Time for hope or time for civil war. Weather will be improving; it's protest in the streets time.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 15, 2017 04:42 PM (M06hO)

305 When liberals get control of your justice system, your state is fucked. Really, truly fucked.

And yet they are very strict and have no mercy in mind for what they intend to do to us.

Posted by: An Observation at December 15, 2017 04:42 PM (Izbwn)

306 I heard from Zana down the street, who is 92, that they do a fish fry at the casino on Friday nights, I guess she goes with her family. She's awesome but I had no idea there were casinos in India and, frankly, I'm already here and here is where I'm stayin'. :-)

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 04:36 PM (14URa)



That's a hell of a long trip to make to go to a casino

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 04:42 PM (493sH)

307 Maybe I just imagined it, but wasn't this bill supposed to be "tax reform"? You know, simplifying the entire tax code. I seem to recall discussion of the average Joe being able to do his tax return on a postcard in 15 minutes.

This just sounds like fiddling with rates and thresholds a little around the edges, while keeping (and probably increasing) all the complexities.

Posted by: Iowa Bob, true GOP warrior (now with 40% more principles) at December 15, 2017 04:43 PM (tu3iY)

308 Here is promotional vidyo:

https://youtu.be/g_jCIe9OVZ8

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 04:39 PM (fA1SL)

Excellent work.

The old Belgrade Express had an entire smoking car. The ash tray in the middle was the size of a dining table for 4.

Posted by: Miklos, who enjoys the occaisional cigar at December 15, 2017 04:43 PM (zCyNd)

309 If you had Congressman Bobby Scott in your Who Will Be The Next Accused of Sexual Assault, come collect your winnings!

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 04:44 PM (/tuJf)

310 Whatever the final bill is...it cannot be changed anymore. They are voting next week on what was signed off on today. No more changes or ammendments. Yeay or Nay no more demands or bribes etc.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:44 PM (saprv)

311 Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:37 PM (dEQP3)

Begging your pardon Empress. Of course you already know this because well it's self evident that YOU would know, everyday is a good day for a Chic fil A and a hate shake.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at December 15, 2017 04:44 PM (hS07U)

312 308. That's about right. Lord, Europe loves its smokes.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 04:44 PM (fA1SL)

313 Maybe I just imagined it, but wasn't this bill supposed to be "tax reform"? You know, simplifying the entire tax code. I seem to recall discussion of the average Joe being able to do his tax return on a postcard in 15 minutes.

This just sounds like fiddling with rates and thresholds a little around the edges, while keeping (and probably increasing) all the complexities.


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As great as that would be, I never thought it would really be obtained. At this point, I just want to pay less in taxes. If I do, I'll take the small win. If I don't, then crap.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:44 PM (sX1BW)

314 5 our of 8 years and no capital gains, or just the first $500k is excluded from the capital gains?

Posted by: LASue at December 15, 2017 04:44 PM (WmLr0)

315 now I'm all overwhelmed by free choice on what to order.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:33 PM (dEQP3)
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Bar-B-Que ribs via Strip-o-gram.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 04:45 PM (qJtVm)

316 I had no idea India had casinos to go along with all their call centers. I might have to look into a vacation for a week of dysentery.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 04:45 PM (KP5rU)

317 >>>John McCain about to leave this mortal coil, and eventually Congress,
and RINOs lining up to take his place. And they wonder why people are
disgusted with politicians.<<<

They'll be sexing his corpse before it even gets to room temperature and stiff. Such is life in the swamp.

Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2017 04:45 PM (2Mnv1)

318 OT-Karl Marx to resign /ditch legacy due to sexual misconduct (From "The People's cube" political satire site)

https://tinyurl.com/y9vlcuww

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 15, 2017 04:46 PM (8+Ozj)

319 Heh, Milo's latest on facebutt:

No "Happy Holidays" bullshit where I live. MERRY CHRISTMAS MOTHERFRICKERS

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 04:46 PM (3myMJ)

320 Hmmm. I'm bullish on the tax package. But the technology revolution we are undergoing may have a bigger impact.

https://tinyurl.com/y9pantcr

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 04:46 PM (3svUe)

321 309
If you had Congressman Bobby Scott in your Who Will Be The Next Accused of Sexual Assault, come collect your winnings!
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 04:44 PM (/tuJf)

Now what is it that they are calling sexual assault, again, exactly??

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 04:46 PM (zSVEm)

322 Entire family turns transgender..

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/283493/

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 04:46 PM (LiyEm)

323 Is the Obamacare 3.8% tax on a home sale still alive in addition to the capital gains tax?

Posted by: Jen the original at December 15, 2017 04:46 PM (dSWC+)

324 CNBC reports Jared Kushner is trying to hire a "Crisis" PR firm, a company adept at handling highly negative, fast moving stories.

The implication is that Mueller is coming after him, armed with some story from Flynn.

Sure, go after the President's family. That'll work.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at December 15, 2017 04:46 PM (ylUqT)

325 Begging your pardon Empress. Of course you already know this because well it's self evident that YOU would know, everyday is a good day for a Chic fil A and a hate shake.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at December 15, 2017 04:44 PM (hS07U)



That is one of the options.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:46 PM (dEQP3)

326 Unless you live in CA or NY you will pay less. So if nothing else there is that. And even in CA or NY the lower rates will offset the lower deductions for most. You will ill break even.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:47 PM (saprv)

327 301 279 Overall this tax bill is better than what we have now. But it's a big letdown compared to what I thought we'd get after the election. I was hoping for a literal post card tax return with 3 or 4 low tax rates and elimination of most deductions. Instead the tax code is now even more complicated with even more social engineering. The GOP would die of thirst living in the rain forest they're that incompetent.
Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:35 PM (e9Ipg)

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Common on skanks, nobody ever promised you a post card tax return. /sarc
Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 04:41 PM (3svUe)



Given how many Republicans themselves made their plans around such deductions, for decades, including I dare say most Morons here, I am not surprised.

And frankly, time to fight fire with fire. Fight their social engineering with our social counter-engineering. We can encourage a Property and Asset Ownership Society rather than a Government Entitled Society through the tax code, and we should.

Heck, the increased Protectionism many of the MAGA crowd want is part of this too, and in some areas might be justifiable.

They always play dirty, and somehow we have to stick to Queensberry Rules? Nope. No more. Fight fire with fire.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 04:47 PM (ujg0T)

328 LOL Erdogan thinks the UN has power...

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/283470/

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 04:47 PM (LiyEm)

329 Posted by: An Observation at December 15, 2017 04:33 PM (Izbwn)
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Hope you like the cookbook!!

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 04:47 PM (Sfs6o)

330 >>Is the Obamacare 3.8% tax on a home sale still alive in addition to the capital gains tax?


I am sure.


Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:47 PM (8bEU0)

331 Fuck Marco, that is straight up welfare.
Posted by: Apache at December 15, 2017 04:38 PM (uc45P)

Well, Marco established that he's an at large Senator, not necessarily from Florida and his constituency typically have large families and don't pay taxes.

And now we know for sure where his loyalties lie. (for 2020 reference)

But as long as Trump keeps smilin' and in the medias' heads, I'm good.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 15, 2017 04:47 PM (M06hO)

332 The tax bill is not perfect, but either are our Republican Senators.

The Good:

We are getting the Individual Mandate repealed.

ANWR drilling (remember that?)

Estate Tax Deduction doubled to where basically 99.5% of the population will never have to deal with it.

And for me anyway, I was paying the highest marginal rate for my small business LLC and (supposedly) I'll now pay 20%. That's a massive decrease, but I still don't know all the details.


And a few blue state limousine liberals will be punished.

Posted by: Apache at December 15, 2017 04:47 PM (uc45P)

333 Carlos Santana (baseballer, not singer) to Philly.
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He can't do both?

I've heard Carlos Santana "sing." Trust me, grammie, he can't do both.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at December 15, 2017 04:47 PM (FQKBL)

334 Bar-B-Que ribs via Strip-o-gram.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 04:45 PM (qJtVm)
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Mmm, extra spicy!

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at December 15, 2017 04:48 PM (ylUqT)

335 325 Begging your pardon Empress. Of course you already know this because well it's self evident that YOU would know, everyday is a good day for a Chic fil A and a hate shake.
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at December 15, 2017 04:44 PM (hS07U)


That is one of the options.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:46 PM (dEQP3)



Of course they downside to them is that they don't deliver.

Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 04:48 PM (lKs2v)

336 >>> Would be nice if he sent some Navy Seals to tune 'em up. Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 04:39 PM (GjTLE)

The Melania bit is more cryptic, but implied. The Ivanka one, talking about having her in the trunk of his car? Especially when it alludes back to a previous song of his, where he killed his ex and put her in the trunk of his car? So not okay.

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 04:48 PM (hvf9s)

337 Cultural appropriation is the order of the day.Chinese food or pizza....

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 04:49 PM (LiyEm)

338 Thai Food>Chinese Food

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:49 PM (8bEU0)

339 Of course they downside to them is that they don't deliver.
Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 04:48 PM (lKs2v)



Yeah but there's one not even five minutes from me.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Now with Santa hat. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 04:50 PM (dEQP3)

340 The 3.8% Obamacare thing isn't for Real Estate per sey. It's an investment capital gains surtax for high-income earners that could potentially come into play for real estate but it's not a real estate tax

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:50 PM (saprv)

341 Speaking of oriental food, leftover chicken flied lice tonight.

Posted by: Weasel at December 15, 2017 04:50 PM (Sfs6o)

342 338 Thai Food>Chinese Food
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:49 PM (8bEU0)

I would tend to agree but I've yet to encounter a Thai place that delivers.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 04:50 PM (NWiLs)

343 Per se not sey damn auto spell

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:50 PM (saprv)

344 Thai Food>Chinese Food
Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:49 PM (8bEU0)

Thai food is Chinese Mexican food.

But it's awesome.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 15, 2017 04:51 PM (sGSvK)

345 What deductions will be allowed with the latest version?"

Well, despite what's been in the newz, it is simplified. Here's a late list:

https://www.jct.gov/

Posted by: Anon a mouse at December 15, 2017 04:51 PM (MINbv)

346 >>I've yet to encounter a Thai place that delivers.


I can get exactly nothing delivered here. Maybe an awful pizza, if I begged.

But take-out requires motivation here.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:51 PM (8bEU0)

347 Vietnamese Food = Thai Food>Chinese Food

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:51 PM (QC/4S)

348 326 Unless you live in CA or NY you will pay less. So if nothing else there is that. And even in CA or NY the lower rates will offset the lower deductions for most. You will ill break even.
Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:47 PM (saprv)

I won't. I checked. My taxes will increase. I'm not sure about the business taxes.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 15, 2017 04:52 PM (Ri/rl)

349 337. Mu shoo whatever and cong you bing.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 04:52 PM (fA1SL)

350 Thai food is Chinese Mexican food.
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Mongolian food is Chinese Klingon food.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 04:52 PM (qJtVm)

351 Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:44 PM (sX1BW)

they did this last Kabuki dance the last two times they "Reformed Taxes".

Probably goes back farther than that.

The rates get adjusted. the government tax receipts go up and the tax law grows another 10,000 pages.

And you thought this time would be different?

Isn't that the definition of insanity? Repetition of a failed action?

Here's your sign.

Posted by: jakee308 at December 15, 2017 04:52 PM (M06hO)

352 I was checking into a hotel in Vancouver a few years ago and I was waiting for some guy with long hair, a beret and a cape to finish at the counter. He turned around and it was Santana, singer not baseball.

One of the few guys I've ever see who could pull off a cape and a beret.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 04:53 PM (/tuJf)

353 My sister is freaking out about changes in the tax bill that take away credits for student loans. I can't convince her that the bulk of it is good, she can only the stuff that effects her personally.

An accountant friend hates the tax bill. Part of that is Trump Derangement Syndrome, part of that is all the new tax code changes they will have to learn and educate their clients on.

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 04:53 PM (hvf9s)

354 I wanted tax reform
I am going to get a tax tweek

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 04:53 PM (aC6Sd)

355 The Ivanka one, talking about having her in the trunk of his car? Especially when it alludes back to a previous song of his, where he killed his ex and put her in the trunk of his car? So not okay.
Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 04:48 PM (hvf9s)


dont they know shes a full on liberal? The hate is completely misogynistic- like shes her dads property or something.

Posted by: LASue at December 15, 2017 04:53 PM (WmLr0)

356 347. This is true, demonstrably so, and not a subject of any controversy.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 04:53 PM (fA1SL)

357 And for me anyway, I was paying the highest marginal rate for my small
business LLC and (supposedly) I'll now pay 20%. That's a massive
decrease, but I still don't know all the details.

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Well, one detail is you're still paying the highest rate, and not 20%. It's just that 20% of your pre-tax income is going to be excluded from tax, which should mean a tax reduction, and supposedly they are keeping the accelerated RD write-off.

What they should have done is exclude all income kept in the company from tax entirely. Small companies need the capital. But they didn't.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at December 15, 2017 04:53 PM (ylUqT)

358 >>I was checking into a hotel in Vancouver a few years ago and I was waiting for some guy with long hair, a beret and a cape to finish at the counter. He turned around and it was Santana


Ha!

I used to have an old amp of his that he was trying to buy back. Not a nice guy to deal with.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 04:53 PM (8bEU0)

359 348

Check again and make sure to take inro account the lower rates and doubling of the standard deduction and the higher threshold for all income brackets.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:54 PM (saprv)

360 And you thought this time would be different?

--------------

No I didn't. All I ever hope for is to pay less in taxes. Even if I have to do a few more gyrations.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:54 PM (sX1BW)

361 Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 04:53 PM (/tuJf)
============================


Santana Abraxas is one of the first albums I ever owned. Besides the great music, the cover art is wonderful. I think I bought it again not too long ago. I'll have to look.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 04:55 PM (lwiT4)

362 This isn't a conservative tax plan, it is a populist tax plan.

You got a President that gave you generations worth of conservative judges and a conservative repeal of hundreds of regulations.

But you got that President because of a POPULIST uprising, not because the Rust Belt suddenly became ideologically hard right.

So take your important conservative gains, and quit yer bitchen' about a few small, cheap populist provisions in the tax bill.

Posted by: RichieC at December 15, 2017 04:55 PM (N2ODI)

363 Of course they downside to them is that they don't deliver.
Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 04:48 PM


Nor do they have a Pit Of Balls(tm), which The Empress uses to vex us, especially when she slips her tracking balloon off her wrist.

Posted by: AoSHQ SAR Team at December 15, 2017 04:55 PM (ctuyM)

364 350. Depends..

Do you mean all those 'blah-blah jinggis-khanu' stuff, or the regular and real Mongol cuisine? (Largely stews, lotta dairy, amd horse meat and/or mutton.)

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 04:55 PM (fA1SL)

365 The 5-8 years is the beetle juice 3 times I was referring to. This tax thing ain't never gonna make it. And the politicians know it.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 04:55 PM (zLDYs)

366 A group of four business-first GOP Senators is meeting with Democrats to negotiate an amnesty for illegals which would trash President Donald Trump's pro-American immigration principles. -BB

I'll just leave this here because there is a potential banning in my future if I comment on this.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 04:56 PM (r9UYA)

367 362

That is a fair way to look at it.

Posted by: #neverskankles at December 15, 2017 04:56 PM (saprv)

368 366Business first indeed.

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 04:57 PM (LiyEm)

369 This is true, demonstrably so, and not a subject of any controversy.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 04:53 PM


Me love you long time.

Posted by: Uncle Pho at December 15, 2017 04:57 PM (ctuyM)

370 So, who still doesn't understand that the purge of the humans movement just clears the way for sexbots?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 15, 2017 04:57 PM (6Ll1u)

371 >>Santana Abraxas is one of the first albums I ever owned. Besides the great music, the cover art is wonderful. I think I bought it again not too long ago. I'll have to look.


Many moons ago I saw him sit in with Gato Barbieri in Miami for Europa. That was pretty figging spectacular.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 04:58 PM (/tuJf)

372 Oh nood!

If anyone here left after the corgi rush can think of student loan rebuttals to give my sis, I'd appreciate some!

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 04:58 PM (hvf9s)

373 347. This is true, demonstrably so, and not a subject of any controversy.

=

Pho is Pho, Banh Bao is Bahn Bao and coffee is coffee...

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 04:59 PM (QC/4S)

374 So take your important conservative gains, and quit yer bitchen' about a few small, cheap populist provisions in the tax bill.

------------

My bitching will be purely for selfish reasons at this point. Will my taxes go up or down. If down, I'll take the small win.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 04:59 PM (sX1BW)

375 cns news . com whole family in Arizona turns transgender father to woman, mother to a man, son to a woman and daughter to a guy.

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 05:01 PM (aC6Sd)

376 170,
"This is what I think is going on: imagine there is someone who thinks it
is appalling that a red haired man murders someone. But when a brown
haired man murders someone, they don't seem to mind or even notice."


It is not the hair color, eye color, skin color, gender, age, sexual orientation, or any of the other identity group markers that make the difference. These are all just cover stories made up to hide the real difference that they don't want noticed too much.

It's only and always about "culture." If you are suspected of not having the "correct" emotional reactions to things political then you are part of the pariah group and will be shit on every time it is possible to do so.

Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 05:03 PM (zOpu5)

377 My taxes will go up, I think. It is hard to be sure based on all these changes at the last minute. But I itemize, I pay more than $10,000 in property taxes, my kids are past the Child Credit age regardless of how much it is, and I am in the top 10% of income.

But the working class has been raped by trade and immigration policy changes that made things pretty prosperous for us coastal upper-middle-class types.

We can throw them a bone. They paid the price for policy changes that made us better off.

Besides, if you don't throw them a bone in the tax code, the Democrats will just write them a check.

Posted by: RichieC at December 15, 2017 05:06 PM (N2ODI)

378 331
Well, Marco established that he's an at large Senator, not necessarily from Florida and his constituency typically have large families and don't pay taxes.....

Posted by: jakee308 at December 15, 2017 04:47 PM (M06hO)
-------------------------------
His constituency is mostly GOPe suburbanite squishes and a lot of middle-upper-middle-class Cubans.

You don't seriously think that the Free Shit Army votes for anyone with an R after their name, do you?
And no, the Spanish surname means NOTHING to them.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 15, 2017 05:11 PM (0jtPF)

379 Its funny how all the Principled Conservatives advocate for un-conservative policies while Trump is the only one actually enacting conservative policies.

Posted by: wodun at December 15, 2017 05:15 PM (lFga6)

380 OT but I gotta say, I've been outside freezing for 20 minutes because God throws some absolutely amazing sunsets at Indiana. Absolutely breathtaking and I face straight west. Warms the cockles . . . my hands will take a bit longer.

Posted by: Peaches at December 15, 2017 05:16 PM (14URa)

381 Hope you like the cookbook!!

Looks really good to me.

Posted by: An Observation at December 15, 2017 05:23 PM (Izbwn)

382 Will these refundable tax credits be available to illegals? Last I heard they removed the part of the legislation that prevented this.

Posted by: Lily at December 15, 2017 05:30 PM (DhHIu)

383 Yep just looked. Illegals will be able to
Get the "refundable tax credits" i.e. Welfare

Posted by: Lily at December 15, 2017 05:33 PM (DhHIu)

384 Illegals should be expelled from the country.

Tax return filers should not be punished in the tax code.

Different things, don't conflate them.

Posted by: RichieC at December 15, 2017 05:36 PM (N2ODI)

385 I'm old enough to remember how Corker voted for giving hundreds of billions to Wall Street with the TARP bailout.

"deficit hawk" my ass.

The world will be a better place once the gnome of the Senate retires.

Posted by: Warbuck at December 15, 2017 06:42 PM (lyGIv)

386 > Everybody gets something. It's how the sausage is made.

At least with this bill, the "something" everybody gets is a tax cut. Did any of you read the ObamaCare bill? They had to hang a whole Christmas tree of pork off it just to get the votes to pass it (even with Dem control of both houses).

I can't wait for the Convention of the States, and one of the amendments I want them to send to the states is a "one topic per bill" rule. (Yes, the "One Subject at a Time Act" has been proposed as a regular bill, but that wouldn't be binding on Congress.)

Now I hope Trump will do something to cut back the planned series of increases in the minimum wage. That will bring jobs back to America.

Posted by: jdgalt at December 15, 2017 08:07 PM (3SFo/)

Liberals and NeverTrump Neocons (But I Repeat Myself) Rally to Defend Mueller Against Completely True Charges That His Staff is Filled With Hyperpartisans

Do these people not want transparency? They are desperately interested in what corrupt "contacts" Trump's team may have had; why do they take the position that any corrupt contacts Mueller's team might have had are None of Your Business?

Byron York sure wants to know what "insurance policy" Peter Strzok had in mind as way of guaranteeing Trump would not become president.

Interestingly, he spoke of that around the same time the first claims against Manafort were leaked to the press.

But NeverTrump Neocons and liberals (again, I repeat myself) are doubling down on the claim that the FBI and DOJ bureaucrats who paid Russian agents for Hillary's campaign oppo operation should not be molested with pesky questions.

James Comey's Mouthpiece Ben Wittes cries about the privacy rights of conspiring FBI agents.

The release of private correspondence between two Justice Department employees whose correspondence is the subject of an active inspector general investigation is not just wrong. It is cruel. It is not the practice of the Justice Department to turn over to Congress--let alone to give to reporters--active investigative material related to the private communications of its own employees.
Justice Department and FBI employees have the right to their political opinions. To the extent their private political expressions for some reason make it impossible for them to work on a certain matter, they certainly have the right to have that determined without having their careers ruined and their names dragged publicly through the mud by politicians who know nothing about the circumstances in question.

I don’t know whether agent Peter Strzok and attorney Lisa Page did anything improper, or merely engaged in ill-advised and foolish communications that did not impact their work.

Dude, if you don't know, why are you so insistent there should be no public revelation about the facts in contention?

I have no quarrel with Mueller for removing Strzok from the investigation, whether for substantive or appearance reasons. But I do know this: these questions deserve to be adjudicated within the confines of a serious internal investigation, not a partisan circus.

Funny, but somehow derogatory information about Trump's aides and family members' communications -- including false information -- keeps getting leaked to the press.

By the way, Wittes, your pal Comey leaked a confidential FBI-work-product memo to the press for publication precisely to get an investigation started. If that's permitted, what's wrong with Rosenstein releasing this information not through a leak but through open, transparent means?

Liberal adulterers Joe and Mika are shrieking about "undermining the rule of law" by attempting to actually enforce the rule of law.

On Thursday's Morning Joe, the show’s liberal panel once again rallied to the defense of Robert Mueller in response to recent calls by Republican House representatives for the former FBI director's special counsel division to be officially investigated for serious political conflicts of interest that have been revealed within it by the reporting of a variety of different news outlets.

Co-host Joe Scarborough was especially annoyed by Republican Representatives Bob Goodlatte, Louie Gohmert, Steve Chabot, John Ratcliffe, Matt Gaetz, and Jim Jordan for questioning Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein about Mueller’s impartiality during a House Judiciary Committee hearing on Wednesday.

Scarborough collectively referred to these congressmen, and presumably anyone else who agrees with them, as "jackasses" who are "trying to undermine the rule of law." Joe prophesied that this would ultimately lead to their political "demise."

Video and transcript of these darkly muttered threats at the link.

The New York Times, which has been peddling unevidenced claims of RUSSIAN collusion like drunken conspiracists for a year, calls people seizing on actual proof of an "insurance policy" to keep Trump out of office the work of "drunken... conspiracists."

How did the New York Times deal with the "insurance policy" text? The simplest way possible -- they ommitted it entirely, and shielded their bebubbled idiot liberal readers from an alarming fact that might cause them mental upset.

Butthurt neocon NeverTrumper Max Boot Just Can't Even With All This:



Neocons Eli Lake and David Frum also Just Can't Even:



Again, not a peep from these guys about James Clapper & Co. leaking the cooked-up "briefing" about the dossier to the Fusion GPS squad at CNN.

Only their allies, sources, and drinking pals, apparently, are due privacy rights in an official government investigation.

As usual, there's next to zero coverage of this in the alleged conservative magazine (transitioning to a liberal one) Weekly Standard. They occasionally mention the matter, but in the "Republicans pounce" and "Trump seized" way their liberal media friends favor.

As special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators continue to bore into President Trump's inner circle, Republicans have intensified their attempts to discredit the investigators as partisan hacks. As news began to break last weekend that former national security advisor Michael Flynn had struck a deal with Mueller, the president's supporters latched onto another story: that one of Mueller's top investigators had been reassigned to a supervisory job after it was discovered he had been critical of Trump in text messages a year before.

President Trump immediately seized on the story...

Warren then argues that having anti-Trump views doesn't mean that Peter Strzok shouldn't be investigating Trump (or clearing Hillary, I suppose):

There's reason to think Strzok could hold and express anti-Trump views while remaining a professional in his law enforcement work.


Although that writer, Michael Warren, confessed to being "puzzled" by the mention of the "insurance policy" against Trump, apparently he was not puzzled enough to mention his puzzlement in his latest article about the probe, in which he speculates breathlessly that Rosenstein's answers at the hearing may indicate that Mueller might be expanding his probe -- oh joy! -- and presumably is so out of energy that he can't mention the "insurance policy" he finds puzzling.

Which, by the way, was discussed at those hearings a whole heck of a lot.

He seems to have learned this from Jake Tapper: Make a meaningless brief mention of news you don't like on Twitter that you can point to later to say "I covered that," then omit it entirely from your actual alleged news product.

The Weekly Standard does not seem to have mentioned any of these revelations, except for Michael Warren's pouncing-and-seizing dismissal, and one op-ed in which they confessed they found some of this slightly troubling (but not so troubling to do any follow-up on the major revelations that followed).

Posted by: Ace at 02:36 PM




Comments

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1 Was this some sorta Spy Thriller?


Did you like it?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 02:33 PM (8bEU0)

2 So you liked Last Jedi?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 15, 2017 02:33 PM (ycWCI)

3 Trump's private tax returns just called. They told all these guys to swallow.

Posted by: Roy at December 15, 2017 02:34 PM (7n4KQ)

4
By the way, Eric Holder is threatening some sort of retaliation if Mueller is indeed fired.

That guy in particular deserves "a good talking to," IYKWIM.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 02:34 PM (mbhDw)

5 top 99

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 02:35 PM (wmaTe)

6 I used to look at the Weekly Standard. Now it's just a total piece of crap that I won't even look at.

And frickin' Max Boot wrote this long op/ed in one of the news outlets about how horrible/terrible/awful it was for anyone to even think of questioning Muehller's conduct.

Max Boot needs to go back to where he came from.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 02:36 PM (k1TUh)

7 4. I join with the family, friends, amd colleagues of Mr. Holder in hoping that he is found, safe and well, amd soon.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 02:36 PM (fA1SL)

8 There's no "Privacy" when the governement, i.e. THE PEOPLE, own the freakin' phone.

You ellipsoidal sacks of horse dung.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2017 02:36 PM (hcyUh)

9 Privacy?

On work devices?

These people are retarded.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 02:36 PM (8bEU0)

10 Wow. When did all this happen?

Posted by: Jeff Sessions at December 15, 2017 02:36 PM (FBLQf)

11 My God, these people are fucking idiots. You REALLY want to run interference for these corrupt shitstains?

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 02:36 PM (NWiLs)

12 when i saw killer joes' name in this thriller, i lost interest. i'll catch up on beavis and butthead on youtube .

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 02:36 PM (KP5rU)

13 Privacy?

heh.

Posted by: Google at December 15, 2017 02:37 PM (7n4KQ)

14 What the fuck kind of a name is Boot anyway?Fuck off you kent.

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 02:37 PM (LiyEm)

15 >>By the way, Eric Holder is threatening some sort of retaliation if Mueller is indeed fired.


What? He'll go back to arming Terrorists and Drug Cartels?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 02:37 PM (8bEU0)

16 Murderin' Joe is dain bramaged.

He was viciously attacking Jim Jordan for not wearing a jacket with his shirt and tie.

I remember a certain Preezy who strutted around the Oval Office sans jacket. And he was deemed Cool by the Cool Kids.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:37 PM (ptqGC)

17 He may be a son-of-a-bitch , but he is their son-of-a-bitch.

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 02:37 PM (QC/4S)

18 Time for PDJT to go nuclear. His SOTU speech should be epic.

Posted by: Jmel at December 15, 2017 02:38 PM (pGDtS)

19 Scarborough collectively referred to these congressmen, and presumably
anyone else who agrees with them, as "jackasses" who are "trying to
undermine the rule of law." Joe prophesied that this would ultimately
lead to their political "demise."

Yeah. Joe was always big on undermining the rule of law. He also knew a lot about "demise".

Posted by: Joe Scarbourough's Dead Intern at December 15, 2017 02:38 PM (O5Q3r)

20 Notice how they are all saying "Mueller Removed Strzok! That proves he's clean!!!"

while ignoring the fact that Mueller covered up the fact he had to remove Strzok for 3 months, and misled Congress about it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 02:38 PM (k1TUh)

21 Sessions needs to fish or cut bait.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 02:38 PM (r9UYA)

22 Do these people not want transparency?

----

Fuck no.

They want Trump gone.

More...they want him destroyed. Because you cant have powerful plebes not in the "political caste" running around fucking up every bodies little gravy trains and power structures.

A successful Trump might give other citizens that are not of the DC Tribe, proper, ideas about running for office...

Cant have that.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2017 02:38 PM (8XRCm)

23 Fvck Eric Holder, in particular.

Posted by: Hikaru at December 15, 2017 02:38 PM (WDCYi)

24 Can someone tell me how to pronounce Strzok? I don't watch TV so I've never heard it said.

The guy is avoiding scrutiny because no one knows how to say his freakin' name.

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:39 PM (42M22)

25 It kills me that the Weekly Standard has come to this. It's almost as if their conservatism was rather theoretical. Minuscule, even.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 15, 2017 02:39 PM (RD7QR)

26 wonder if they were the ones who convinced whats his face no 2 in Justice to hire Mueller in the first place

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 02:39 PM (QC/4S)

27 18 Time for PDJT to go nuclear. His SOTU speech should be epic.
Posted by: Jmel at December 15, 2017 02:38 PM (pGDtS)

"The State of the Union is... GREAT!"

hehehe... I'd like to see that.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2017 02:39 PM (hcyUh)

28 why is eric "cock" holder still breathing air outside of a federal "pound him in the ass" prison?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 02:39 PM (KP5rU)

29
Still waiting for the Reichstag fire, the casus belli that justifies burning D.C. to the ground.

Any time now.

Posted by: Gordon Henry at December 15, 2017 02:39 PM (KdDCu)

30 18 Time for PDJT to go nuclear. His SOTU speech should be epic.
Posted by: Jmel at December 15, 2017 02:38 PM (pGDtS)

Thanks for the reminder. I need to get to the liquor store to stock up over the next 6 weeks for the SOTU Drinking Game. This time, it will be for the rebuttal and the media roundtables, instead of the actual speech.

Posted by: Roy at December 15, 2017 02:39 PM (7n4KQ)

31 Can someone tell me how to pronounce Strzok? I don't watch TV so I've never heard it said.



The guy is avoiding scrutiny because no one knows how to say his freakin' name.

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:39 PM (42M22)


I think it's pronounced "stroke."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:40 PM (ptqGC)

32 James Rosen should call David Frum out

IN THE OCTAGON!

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 02:40 PM (8bEU0)

33 So the FBI is whining that they don't get no privacy on their government-issued cell phones... meanwhile, the NSA (and presumably FBI) spies on all of our communications without warrants?

Also, I'm glad to see people finally acknowledging that the "non political, career" bureaucrats are highly political leftists, even if it's under the guise of "so what?"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 02:40 PM (wmaTe)

34 24 Can someone tell me how to pronounce Strzok? I don't watch TV so I've never heard it said.

The guy is avoiding scrutiny because no one knows how to say his freakin' name.
Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:39 PM (42M22)

it's pronounced /shit'-hed/

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2017 02:40 PM (hcyUh)

35 Zombie, pronounced strock.. leave the z out.

Posted by: Jewells45 canhandleyourjewels at December 15, 2017 02:40 PM (zRZaJ)

36 So, we almost had a coup in America, and 90% of the population doesn't even know it happened.

If the media was fair, this would be, literally, the biggest scandal in American history.

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:40 PM (42M22)

37 I think it's pronounced "stroke."

----

..."struck", I believe.


Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2017 02:41 PM (8XRCm)

38 It's a shame Boot fucked the shark. He wrote a great book on the small, forgotten wars of the United States.

Posted by: josephistan at December 15, 2017 02:41 PM (7HtZB)

39 There was a poor little kitten for adoption in today's paper that is missing its chin and needs special care eating.

All I could think of was Eric Holder and the Turtle.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:41 PM (ptqGC)

40 They are desperately interested in what corrupt "contacts" Trump's team
may have had; why do they take the position that any corrupt contacts
Mueller's team might have had are None of Your Business?
---
Maybe they're partisans protecting their allies.

Maybe they're criminals protecting their co-conspirators.

It's really hard to say without a very thorough investigation of everyone involved.

Posted by: Methos at December 15, 2017 02:41 PM (XQvuQ)

41 "It kills me that the Weekly Standard has come to this. It's almost as if their conservatism was rather theoretical. Minuscule, even."


TWS went all in pushing hardcore for the Iraq War and lost credibility when things went South, and has never recovered.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 02:42 PM (OD2ni)

42
I think it's pronounced "stroke."

Posted by: Jane D'oh

35 Zombie, pronounced strock.. leave the z out.

Posted by: Jewells45 canhandleyourjewels


Well, that clears things up...NOT.

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:42 PM (42M22)

43 >>21 Sessions needs to fish or cut bait.
Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 02:38 PM (r9UYA)

Time for Rip Van Sessions to work on his golf game.

Posted by: Zod at December 15, 2017 02:42 PM (Bdeb0)

44 By the way, Eric Holder is threatening some sort of retaliation if Mueller is indeed fired.

That guy in particular deserves "a good talking to," IYKWIM.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton



"We have just empaneled a Special Prosecutor to look into Fast & Furious. You may want to hire a criminal defense attorney".

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 02:42 PM (GjTLE)

45 6 I used to look at the Weekly Standard. Now it's just a total piece of crap that I won't even look at.

And frickin' Max Boot wrote this long op/ed in one of the news outlets about how horrible/terrible/awful it was for anyone to even think of questioning Muehller's conduct.

Max Boot needs to go back to where he came from.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 02:36 PM (k1TUh)



I knew Max Boot as a fellow College Republican in University days at Berkeley. It is sad to see what has become of him.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 02:42 PM (ujg0T)

46 35 Zombie, pronounced strock.. leave the z out.
Posted by: Jewells45 canhandleyourjewels at December 15, 2017 02:40 PM (zRZaJ)

Ah, the old "silent z" gambit.

(I, too, have no idea how to pronounce his name. Also don't have TV)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 02:42 PM (wmaTe)

47 37 I think it's pronounced "stroke."

----

..."struck", I believe.


Posted by: fixerupper


More clarity.

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:42 PM (42M22)

48
I subscribed to Weekly Standard practically from their first issue.

I subscribed to National Review for 42 years.

I let both lapse this year.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 15, 2017 02:42 PM (6VHKP)

49 24 Can someone tell me how to pronounce Strzok? I don't watch TV so I've never heard it said.

The guy is avoiding scrutiny because no one knows how to say his freakin' name.

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:39 PM (42M22)


Fairly sure it's "struck"

Posted by: Hikaru at December 15, 2017 02:42 PM (WDCYi)

50 I need to truly know how to pronounce that guy's name...

so I can make a point of never pronouncing it correctly, intentionally.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2017 02:43 PM (hcyUh)

51 Obviously, it's like French, so it would be Stir-Zock.

Posted by: Roy at December 15, 2017 02:43 PM (7n4KQ)

52 There's this old advice for lawyers (horde correct me):

When the law is against you argue the facts, when the facts are against you argue the law, when both are against you pound the table.

That's what they're doing - pounding the table.

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at December 15, 2017 02:43 PM (hMwEB)

53 Dollar to a donut, the leaks about Mueller's team are being made with a plan to embarrass and discredit MSM. They will look so godawfully bad after the DOJ OIG report comes out with more to follow.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 02:43 PM (cAXIk)

54 All this Tweeting and writing columns are these assholes reassuring each other that nasty Trump is still going to be brought down.He has to be brought down,mommy!

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 02:43 PM (LiyEm)

55 So far, we have one vote each for

Stroke
Strock
Struck

Any more variations?

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:43 PM (42M22)

56 36. SOON. - MAGA Deffskwadz Local # 1 - The Armoured Toads

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 02:43 PM (fA1SL)

57 the work of "drunken... conspiracists."

*hic* The Times promised they wouldn't mention us!

Posted by: Hillary! and Huma at December 15, 2017 02:43 PM (EzdLW)

58 Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real deal

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 02:43 PM (QC/4S)

59 ..."struck", I believe.


Posted by: fixerupper

More clarity.
Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:42 PM (42M22)

-----

Ok... your wish is my command.


STRUCK IS THE WAY SHOULD BE PRONOUNCED!!!

RHYMES WITH FUCK!!!


Clear enough??

Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2017 02:44 PM (8XRCm)

60 36: zombie,using media and fair in the same sentence is like a misnomer or something. maybe a myth?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 02:44 PM (KP5rU)

61
So far, we have one vote each for



Stroke

Strock

Struck



Any more variations?

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:43 PM (42M22)


Shit Weasel.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:44 PM (ptqGC)

62 Wittes is a nit-wit. If Strzock (sp?) and Page used Government-issued devices for the released texts, those texts are official records owned by the Government, and are subject to applicable FOIA requests and subpoenas and IG and Congressional insight/oversight requests.

When someone is issued a FedGov telecommunications device, they are informed they have no privacy rights to anything done on it. If you don't like that rule, you can simply not accept or use the device. No other options.

Posted by: Gref at December 15, 2017 02:44 PM (AMIL/)

63 Hang on, I for got something, oh yeah, there it is.

Posted by: Methos-well Roy Moore may have lost but at least I won a moron cookbook at December 15, 2017 02:44 PM (XQvuQ)

64 >>Well, that clears things up...NOT


It is pronounced like 'Stork' if you swapped the O and the R.

Posted by: This won't help either at December 15, 2017 02:44 PM (8bEU0)

65 Updated vote totals

Struck - 2
Stroke - 1
Strock - 1
Stir-Zock - 1

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:44 PM (42M22)

66 But NeverTrump Neocons and liberals (again, I repeat myself) are doubling down on the claim that the FBI and DOJ bureaucrats who paid Russian agents for Hillary's campaign oppo operation should not be molested with pesky questions.

I believe that paying any foreign entity for work that affects the decision-making process of an American campaign is illegal.

I'm not totally sure about this. I know that a foreign entity cannot donate any work to a campaign that affects the decision-making process ... The SCOTUS decided a case about this just as recently as 2012.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 02:45 PM (8gDQu)

67 Struck, strock, tomato, toMAHto....

Posted by: Jewells45 canhandleyourjewels at December 15, 2017 02:45 PM (zRZaJ)

68 I assume Bill Kristol is too busy chatting with the middle Americans he meets riding the Acela to bother Tweeting about any of this.

Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at December 15, 2017 02:45 PM (rP4OC)

69 Ace, I understand that this is your blog, but rather than "Liberal Adulterer Joe Scarborough" isn't the proper nomenclature "Murder Suspect Joe Scarborough"?

Posted by: Furious George at December 15, 2017 02:45 PM (j+dfT)

70 Unless there are charges filed and trials held, the most of the public will hear very little about this entire criminal enterprise.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 02:45 PM (3myMJ)

71 Strzok -- Strohs, the beer that made Milwaukee famous.

(the 'k' is silent)

Posted by: Gordon Henry at December 15, 2017 02:45 PM (KdDCu)

72 49 24 Can someone tell me how to pronounce Strzok? I don't watch TV so I've never heard it said.

The guy is avoiding scrutiny because no one knows how to say his freakin' name.

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:39 PM (42M22)


Fairly sure it's "struck"
Posted by: Hikaru at December 15, 2017 02:42 PM (WDCYi)

So is this kind of like how Boehner pronounces his name "bay ner" instead of "boner"?

Because I don't get "struck" from "Strzok."

I see his name and all I can think is, "I'd like to buy a vowel, please" because you can't have 6 letters in a name, and only 1 of them is a vowel. It breaks all rules.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 02:45 PM (wmaTe)

73 Why does the Secret Service not want to know what "INSURANCE POLICY" there is against Trump being president.

Am I the only one that thinks this is plausible code for an assassination?

Or have I just seen to many bad movies. . .

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 02:45 PM (w9Wx9)

74 How much has the weekly standard covered fusion GPS? Is it kind of like the Washington Free Beacon being extremely quiet about it? You know because they admitted to paying them.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 15, 2017 02:45 PM (rV5W1)

75 24 Can someone tell me how to pronounce Strzok? I don't watch TV so I've never heard it said.


--

what ethnicity does the name come from?

is there any throat clearing involved in the original pronunciation?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at December 15, 2017 02:46 PM (hMwEB)

76

When do you think honest, objective historians will write about the attempted coup against PDT and not shy away from blaming HRC et al? 50 years? 100?

Posted by: Jmel at December 15, 2017 02:46 PM (pGDtS)

77 >>I knew Max Boot as a fellow College Republican in University days at Berkeley.


The Bible says that's a sin.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 02:46 PM (8bEU0)

78 Strzok is pronounced "probe."

Posted by: Zod at December 15, 2017 02:46 PM (Bdeb0)

79 >>what ethnicity does the name come from?


Dutch - Irish

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 02:46 PM (8bEU0)

80 "When someone is issued a FedGov telecommunications device, they are informed they have no privacy rights to anything done on it. "

Sztrok was a senior FBI guy for counterintelligence, but learned nothing is Spy School. Arrogance? Imbecility?

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 02:46 PM (cAXIk)

81 72. Srpski are coming for you.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (fA1SL)

82
OT:

Mario Dondi is now a "yes" vote on the tax bill. Fucking grandstanding stooge.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (mbhDw)

83 Updated vote totals

Struck - 2
Stroke - 1
Strock - 1
Stir-Zock - 1
'Stork' with O and R reversed - 1
Strohs (the 'k' is silent) -

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (42M22)

84 "I'd like to buy a vowel, please" because you can't have 6 letters in a name, and only 1 of them is a vowel. It breaks all rules.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 02:45 PM (wmaTe)

-----

pffft

I went to college with a Pole and his last name is PRYZCYBYLSKI.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (8XRCm)

85 I'm not the only one who thinks that last big photo of Mueller looks like found footage of Bigfoot, am I?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (qJtVm)

86 strzok is pronounced anus.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (KP5rU)

87 Here is a link to the letter that the DOJ OIG sent to Ron Johnson And Chuck Grassley on Wednesday explaining how he found the texts and the timeline.
He found the first batch on July 20th and presented the findings on the 27th, the day Strzok was removed from the investigation and demoted.

What I find interesting is that he claims it is standard practice to ask for text messages from anyone involved in an investigation. As the former Director of the FBI, Mueller had to know this was coming so why did he put Strzok on the investigation in the first place?

https://tinyurl.com/yb6kydqq

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (/tuJf)

88 55 So far, we have one vote each for

Stroke
Strock
Struck

Any more variations?
Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:43 PM (42M22)

Stzhokopopoulousadopoulos. It's that long-forgotten Greco-Polish pronunciation.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (RD7QR)

89 Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 02:45 PM (w9Wx9)

No, you aren't the only one. it's actually the first thing I thought of.

Posted by: Jewells45 canhandleyourjewels at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (zRZaJ)

90 are you sure it's not pronounced shtrock (like Sean Connery would say it)

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (hMwEB)

91 The release of private correspondence between two Justice Department
employees whose correspondence is the subject of an active inspector
general investigation is not just wrong. It is cruel.


... I did check ... and yes, these were government cell phones that these douche bags use for these messages. An yes, everything you put into them should be subject to FOIA requests and releases.

Posted by: undocumented illegal Barack Obama at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (e8kgV)

92 I subscribed to Weekly Standard practically from their first issue.

I subscribed to National Review for 42 years.

I let both lapse this year.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 15, 2017 02:42 PM (6VHKP)



I knew there was a problem with some "Conservative" elements from the early 2000s when I read the illegal alien coddler greedheads in the Wall Street Journal, but the Trump phenomenon has made it sharply clear who can be trusted and who cannot among the "Right" pundits.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (ujg0T)

93 84 Or as he was better known,"Eye Chart".

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (LiyEm)

94 oh yeah? how do you pronounce faoladh ??

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (QC/4S)

95 72 49 24 Can someone tell me how to pronounce Strzok? >>>

It's one of these: "Fall Guy" "Sleazeball" "Hillary Fanboi" "Not as smart as he thinks he is"

Posted by: Gref at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (AMIL/)

96 Updated vote totals

Struck - 2
Stroke - 1
Strock - 1
Stir-Zock - 1
'Stork' with O and R reversed - 1
Strohs (the 'k' is silent) - 1
shtrock - 1

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (42M22)

97 the pair 'rz' itself is considered a single consonant in the orthography of many west slavic names. Varies between polish, czech, slovak, etc., but sticking a z after a voiced consonant I think usually tends to de-voice it or palatalize it just a bit (again, depending on language).

In this jerkoff's case, i couldn't care less where his damnable ancestors or his rotten name come from, but there you go.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (hcyUh)

98 Mario Dondi is now a "yes" vote on the tax bill. Fucking grandstanding stooge.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (mbhDw)


So, what did he get? Is McCain going to get out of the hospital long enough to vote?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (ptqGC)

99 Same story we get from the MFM ... sure they all adore Hillary (despite knowing of her crimes which they don't report) .. and sure they hate Trump (for possibly bringing down their corrupt Queen and their world of propaganda) --

but but but They are ProFessionals ... and would never let their private opinions (and desire to see Trump assassinated in not impeached) in any way color their reporting.

But the legal standard for recusal is even honest men recuse to avoid The Appearance of bias (which is in reality actual bias).

But Mueller got a waiver on that ... and the FBI helped destroy evidence (or promised to destroy some phones/laptops, iirc). So we are somewhere over the rainbow coalition coup ... down the rabbit hole ... through the looking glass.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (otAqJ)

100 Lisa Bloom's immoral bitchiness transcends comment threads.

Posted by: Hepcat at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (5b+Sr)

101 Eric Holder is threatening some sort of retaliation if Mueller is indeed fired.

That guy in particular deserves "a good talking to," IYKWIM.
============
That is a "TELL" in poker speak. That guy has dirty hands and he's worried his cover is going to disappear if Mueller gets tossed.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (k7W20)

102 Welcome to the Stzrok!

Posted by: Sean Connery at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (8bEU0)

103 "68 I assume Bill Kristol is too busy chatting with the middle Americans he meets riding the Acela to bother Tweeting about any of this.
Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth"


Heh. Acela is the lawyer express, especially now that so many patent cases are being filed in Wilmington.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (OD2ni)

104 Zombie, I'm going with "Stru-zok", for the pronunciation. I'm saying there is an implied "u" in there.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (wmaTe)

105 Heh.....one of my ancestors arrived at NY, felicitating under the name of Czrni.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 02:49 PM (fA1SL)

106 Tucker Carlson brought Max Boot to tears when he appeared on his show some months back. Ralph Peters became discombobulated on Carlson's show around the same time. What is really driving these two--among others--to hysteria? Is it simply pure hatred of Trump?
Residual hatred of Russia from the Cold War days?
I don't get that it's just that their gravy train has reached it's final stop. There's something else going on.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 02:49 PM (7uYFy)

107 98 Mario Dondi is now a "yes" vote on the tax bill. Fucking grandstanding stooge.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (mbhDw)

So, what did he get? Is McCain going to get out of the hospital long enough to vote?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (ptqGC)


Supposedly some lucre "for the children."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 02:49 PM (mbhDw)

108 The texts the DOJ is showing reporters, because they represent a very small fraction of the total messages they exchanged, make you wonder how bad the rest of them are. If these are the ones innocuous enough to show reporters the remainder must really be incendiary.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at December 15, 2017 02:49 PM (ylUqT)

109 94 oh yeah? how do you pronounce faoladh ??
Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (QC/4S)

Gimme five shots of Bushmills and I'll take a crack at it....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2017 02:49 PM (hcyUh)

110 62 . . . When someone is issued a FedGov telecommunications device, they are informed they have no privacy rights to anything done on it. If you don't like that rule, you can simply not accept or use the device. No other options.

Posted by: Gref
________

Didn't Strzok's paramour text him about maybe using a private cellphone for some of their conversations?

Posted by: Furious George at December 15, 2017 02:49 PM (j+dfT)

111 It's like a bunch of bumbling, drunk fucks staggering around with their dicks hanging out.

Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2017 02:49 PM (2Mnv1)

112
I am completely convinced that all of this was specifically done to distract, disuede and discourage any criminal probe of Hilllary, the clinton foundation, the podesta group actual collusion with Russia, as well as covering the backsides of Comey, Mueller, the fbi, and the obama administration illegal use of wiretapping and election interference.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (r+sAi)

113 "Can someone tell me how to pronounce Strzok?"


Just call him the guy who was banging Adam Driver's homely older sister.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (OD2ni)

114 stO-k?

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (QC/4S)

115 What is about NYC/DC that acts like a human digestive system on seemingly decent people ??? Or is it garbage in, garbage out ?? In an age in which there is hysteria to have a generally unwanted driverless car, can't we use our vast technology to move our government from DC and the media and financial center away from NYC ??? It is the core of the rot that has consumed this country

Posted by: sofa saver at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (4u7kU)

116 105 Heh.....one of my ancestors arrived at NY, felicitating under the name of Czrni.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 02:49 PM (fA1SL)


I met a Czech chick whose last name is Dv. To this day, I have no idea how to pronounce it and ask "can I buy a vowel?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (mbhDw)

117 86
strzok is pronounced anus.

Strzok is pronounced douche.

Posted by: undocumented illegal Barack Obama at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (e8kgV)

118 105 Heh.....one of my ancestors arrived at NY, felicitating under the name of Czrni.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 02:49 PM (fA1SL)

Personally, I wouldn't have let him in to the country until he added more vowels.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (wmaTe)

119 97 the pair 'rz' itself is considered a single consonant in the orthography of many west slavic names. Varies between polish, czech, slovak, etc., but sticking a z after a voiced consonant I think usually tends to de-voice it or palatalize it just a bit (again, depending on language).

--

so like "strohhk" or "struhk" said without really opening your mouth?

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (hMwEB)

120 I still have a hell of a time spelling Brzzzzinski. As in Mika.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (ptqGC)

121 93 84 Or as he was better known,"Eye Chart".
Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (LiyEm)

-----

Heh.

It's pronounced Purr - Sea - Bills - Ski


We called him "Percy" or "Sledge". Pissed him off as his first name is Bill.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (8XRCm)

122 Jimmy Drama used Sztrok as a cut-out. I doubt Sztrok changed gross negligence to extreme carelessness on his own.

When the Weiner laptop came to light, Comey had to do something. My bet is that he had Sztrok look at it with the understanding that Sztrok would say there was nothing there.

There's a logic to keeping the conspiratorial group small. Bu then when it unravels you've got a Zelig like Sztrok popping up everywhere.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (cAXIk)

123 Updated vote totals

Struck - 2
Stroke - 1
Strock - 1
Stir-Zock - 1
'Stork' with O and R reversed - 1
Strohs (the 'k' is silent) - 1
Shtrock - 1
Stru-zok - 1
Str(with the "r" de-voiced or palatalized just a bit)ock - 1

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (42M22)

124 So, what did he get? Is McCain going to get out of the hospital long enough to vote?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:48 PM (ptqGC)

He got a raise in the child tax credit. That may have triggered something else since that will hurt the "scoring" figures by "costing" the government more money.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 02:51 PM (3myMJ)

125 Neither Boot or Kristol know's anyone personally who voted for Trump...

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 02:51 PM (LiyEm)

126 "Can someone tell me how to pronounce Strzok?"


Just call him the guy who was banging Adam Driver's homely older sister.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (OD2ni)'

Stro--Zak

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 02:51 PM (7uYFy)

127 First, I believe it should be called the Weakly Standard. Second, I always felt the "weekly standard" was a euphemism for Friday night sex with the wife where you give it to her good and proper, missionary style of course.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 15, 2017 02:51 PM (nKbPK)

128 The alt-Right is cheating! They continue to tell the general public exactly what the Left thinks by releasing the Left's OWN WORDS! The alt-Right is TELLING THE TRUTH and that is cheating, CHEATING, CHEATING!!!

Just like those bastard Russians cheated by release the DNC e-mails. The truth has NO PLACE in American politics!

Posted by: JB1000 at December 15, 2017 02:51 PM (SGGel)

129 You know what's an astonishing breach of privacy? Leaking a president's phone call conversations with foreign leaders.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at December 15, 2017 02:51 PM (2NqXo)

130 >>how do you pronounce faoladh ??

HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE STZROK?


SAY IT OR I WILL SHOOT YOU!

Posted by: Cop in Total Control at December 15, 2017 02:51 PM (8bEU0)

131 Gimme five shots of Bushmills and I'll take a crack at it....
Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2017 02:49 PM (hcyUh

*looks around* how about this well vintaged Valu-Rite ?

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 02:52 PM (QC/4S)

132 -
Put your right hand out, give a firm handshake
Talk to me about how Trump's a snake
Spread your ear pollution, both far and wide
Send your contributions to Hillary's side and
Strzok me, Strzok me
Could be a winner boy you move mighty well
Strzok me, Strzok me (Strzok)
Strzok me, Strzok me

Posted by: Billy Squier at December 15, 2017 02:52 PM (pMGkg)

133 We called him "Percy" or "Sledge". Pissed him off as his first name is Bill.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (8XRCm)

When a Man Loves a Woman

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 02:52 PM (7uYFy)

134
I suspect all of these Faithless to the Constitution and Their Government and Their Jobs A-holes,

would've all been hung by Our Founding Fathers as traitors and seditionists.

Possibly for espionage as they conspired with Russian spy-folk to generate their fake "dossier".


Jail time....or firing with loss of pension or both for all these FBI, DOJ, etc scumbags.


Can we please get some gov't officials who actually believe in the USA?

Is that too much to ask?

Posted by: naturalfake at December 15, 2017 02:52 PM (NyJwR)

135
The release of private correspondence between two Justice Department employees whose correspondence is the subject of an active inspector general investigation is not just wrong. It is cruel.


You know what else is wrong and cruel? Banging a fellow employee behind your wifes back

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2017 02:52 PM (lKyWE)

136 OT sidebar article about chinese student pretty good

I LOLed at the touchy-feely class

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at December 15, 2017 02:52 PM (hMwEB)

137 "Tucker Carlson brought Max Boot to tears when he appeared on his show some months back. Ralph Peters became discombobulated on Carlson's show around the same time. What is really driving these two--among others--to hysteria? Is it simply pure hatred of Trump?"


Trump is not a fan of young Americans dying in the ME for no reason just so fuckers like Boot can play a real world version of Risk. So they hate him for that.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 02:52 PM (OD2ni)

138 Remember this?



Page - So look, you say we text on that phone when we talk about Hillary
because it can't be traced, you were just venting, bc you feel bad that
you're gone so much but that can't be helped right now.




Which to ME sounds like Page giving her boyfriend a cover story to tell his wife about why he uses different phones for different conversations. But it nonetheless reveals the reality - that it's common knowledge that gov't devices offer no guarantee of privacy. Griping about this after the fact is immaterial.

Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at December 15, 2017 02:52 PM (rP4OC)

139 >>Jimmy Drama used Sztrok as a cut-out. I doubt Sztrok changed gross negligence to extreme carelessness on his own.

There was an email chain dumped last night that showed about a half dozen people were involved with editing Comey's memo. Strzok was only one of a number of people including the General Counsel of the DOJ who is, yep, under investigation and has been since May.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 02:52 PM (/tuJf)

140 Struck - 2
Stroke - 1
Strock - 1
Stir-Zock - 1
'Stork' with O and R reversed - 1
Strohs (the 'k' is silent) - 1
Shtrock - 1
Stru-zok - 1
Str(with the "r" de-voiced or palatalized just a bit)ock - 1
Strohhk or "struhk without really opening your mouth - 1
StO-k - 1

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:52 PM (42M22)

141 It's pronuounced "corrupt Obama butt-boy kiddy diddler piece of shit".

The "Strzok" is silent.

Posted by: Peter Strzok at December 15, 2017 02:53 PM (oD0Pp)

142 Max Boot is one angry man. What is it with Russian Jews?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 02:53 PM (YV+SU)

143 118. In the old country, they couldn't afford vowels. And, besides, once they'd let the Irish in.....

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 02:53 PM (fA1SL)

144 "Strzok -- Strohs, the beer that made Milwaukee famous."

I thought Stroh's was from Detroit?

Posted by: Chris M at December 15, 2017 02:53 PM (eAZVt)

145 "*looks around* how about this well vintaged Valu-Rite ?
Posted by: runner"


What's your address? Hic.

Posted by: Hillary at December 15, 2017 02:53 PM (OD2ni)

146 so like "strohhk" or "struhk" said without really opening your mouth?
Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at December 15, 2017 02:50 PM (hMwEB)

Don't really know for sure anymore.... Ling. 201 was a long time ago...

and even if i knew, I'd probably make the hamsters die of asphyxiation if I tried to cram some IPA characters inside the grey boxes to make it unambiguous.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2017 02:53 PM (hcyUh)

147 Man, you can't even text the chick you're banging on the side without reading about it in the paper! Do you call that "America"?

Posted by: Peter Strzok at December 15, 2017 02:53 PM (O5Q3r)

148 lol zombie! You are having too much fun with this!

Posted by: Jewells45 canhandleyourjewels at December 15, 2017 02:53 PM (zRZaJ)

149 Opps. Should have been General Counsel of the FBI not DOJ.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 02:54 PM (/tuJf)

150 What is this, a spelling bee?

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 02:54 PM (EzdLW)

151 This brings me to the point about how you notice how one sided some arguments are. Like how nobody ever considers the fact that Hitler had feelings too.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 15, 2017 02:54 PM (A3b6q)

152 I have no quarrel with Mueller for removing Strzok from the
investigation, whether for substantive or appearance reasons. But I do
know this: these questions deserve to be adjudicated within the confines
of a serious internal investigation, not a partisan circus.


... seriously ?!? The whole point here is that these "investigations" are a "partisan circus"

Posted by: undocumented illegal Matt Damon at December 15, 2017 02:54 PM (e8kgV)

153 I agree with Frum, it is astonishing that employees using employer phones had an expectation of privacy. No one in the real world does, nor should they.

That's what he said right?

Posted by: ed gibbon at December 15, 2017 02:54 PM (nWQ3b)

154 106 Tucker Carlson brought Max Boot to tears when he appeared on his show some months back. Ralph Peters became discombobulated on Carlson's show around the same time. What is really driving these two--among others--to hysteria?
Posted by: JoeF.
________

This is all covered in my binders about Tucker Carlson. Buy a copy now, and I'll throw in a video of my favorite tentacle porn for free!

Posted by: Kurt Eichenwald at December 15, 2017 02:54 PM (j+dfT)

155 I thought Stroh's was from Detroit?



-----


Finally!

Posted by: Gordon Henry at December 15, 2017 02:54 PM (KdDCu)

156 150 What is this, a spelling bee?
Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 02:54 PM (EzdLW)

Can you use Strzok in a sentence, please?

Posted by: Roy at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (7n4KQ)

157 120: jane, the correct spelling is beavis. butthead is supposed to be the "smart" one.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (KP5rU)

158 144 "Strzok -- Strohs, the beer that made Milwaukee famous."

I thought Stroh's was from Detroit?
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Fire Brewed.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (YV+SU)

159 HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE STZROK?


SAY IT OR I WILL SHOOT YOU!
Posted by: Cop in Total Control at December 15, 2017 02:51 PM (8bEU0)

Officer, are you ORDERING me to pronounce it ???

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (QC/4S)

160 truck - 2
Stroke - 1
Strock - 1
Stir-Zock - 1
'Stork' with O and R reversed - 1
Strohs (the 'k' is silent) - 1
Shtrock - 1
Stru-zok - 1
Str(with the "r" de-voiced or palatalized just a bit)ock - 1
Strohhk or Struhk without really opening your mouth - 1
StO-k - 1
Stro--Zak - 1

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (42M22)

161 OK let me get this straight- a married FBI agent was texting with his married girlfriend on the GI phones that the secret "plan" they were talking about in someone else's office might not be enough to keep PDT the "menace" from taking office so they needed an "insurance policy" in case the "plan" failed. And Storzk The Heroic was a guy that might just be the guy to save the United States.

And then Storzk manufactures a FISA warrant to spy on Trumps associates.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (ymnmz)

162 143 118. In the old country, they couldn't afford vowels. And, besides, once they'd let the Irish in.....
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 02:53 PM (fA1SL)

Maybe we should get together and arrange a marriage or two

Posted by: TAVIS not SMILIN at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (4u7kU)

163 HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE STZROK?


SAY IT OR I WILL SHOOT YOU!
Posted by: Cop in Total Control at December 15, 2017 02:51 PM (8bEU0)

Officer, are you ORDERING me to pronounce it ???
Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (QC/4S)

STOP RESISTING! SIR! STOP RESISTING!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (wmaTe)

164 Max Boot is one angry man. What is it with Russian Jews?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 02:53 PM (YV+SU)


The combination, in Russia, of the fiercely cold climate, the awful circumstances, and the inability to be a serious alcoholic. It wears on a family ... for generations.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (8gDQu)

165 The Swamp protects its own.

Kinda like the rule that one can b#tch and moan about their own family, but if you dare say one unkind word about them, it's "How dare you!?"

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (W+vEI)

166 "Can someone tell me how to pronounce Strzok?"
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J-A-I-L

Posted by: Methos-well Roy Moore may have lost but at least I won a moron cookbook at December 15, 2017 02:56 PM (XQvuQ)

167 OT: But hilariously sad-

For Star Wars: The Further Adventures of Mary Sue, the Jediest Jedi Evah!!!

The ratings on Metacritic are:

Critics 86

Viewers 5.3


The Ghostbusterfication of Star Wars continues apace.

Yay?

Posted by: naturalfake at December 15, 2017 02:56 PM (NyJwR)

168 -
And Strzok here. Everybody thought the Strzok was brain damaged.

Posted by: Otter at December 15, 2017 02:56 PM (pMGkg)

169 "This is all covered in my binders about Tucker Carlson. Buy a copy now, and I'll throw in a video of my favorite tentacle porn for free!

Posted by: Kurt Eichenwald"


One of the funniest things I have ever seen. At first I thought it was a goof and they hired someone to be Eichenwald.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 02:56 PM (OD2ni)

170 So Strzok bangs the help and no one calls it sexual harassment. More evidence of bias within the FBI.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 02:56 PM (YV+SU)

171 I don't know how to pronounce his name,I just call him asshole.

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 02:57 PM (LiyEm)

172 The criminal behavior, its breadth and depth, at such high levels of government, not only un-opposed but broadly aided by a large segment of the population, is astounding.
A few under-appreciated facts.
0. The prior Secretary of State, H.C., engaged in obvious, treasonous conduct, and betrayed the fundamental interests, domestic and foreign, of the United States;
1. Subsequently, that same S of State, very narrowly lost an election to become President of the United States, the country she betrayed, even though much of her conduct was semi-public and/or public. (True, she had lots of data, illegally obtained, by the CIA, to assist her campaign.);
2. A high ranking FBI agent, Mr. Strzok, aided by the HEAD of the FBI, neutralized investigations into Hillary Clinton's treasonous conduct, thus subverting certain elements of the citizenry's basic legal protections;
3. Mr. Strzok did so with the endorsement or the complaisance, of many in the highest offices of government, fully aware of his agenda;
4. In spite of the demonstration that Mr. Strzok engaged in treasonous behavior, he RETAINS his employment in the FBI;
5. An independent prosecutor, Mueller, fully aware of Strzok's prior conduct, HIRED him, and others who assisted him in shielding Clinton, to investigate a fabricated charge, leveled against President Trump.
6. Some of those hired by Mueller to investigate Trump, helped fabricate the "evidence" against Trump, used to launch the investigation.
7. Strzok and those colluding with him, leveraged that fabricated evidence to prompt the CIA to spy on candidate Trump. That is, the CIA spied upon and shared, the culled data with Strzok and those colluding with him;
8. The FBI and CIA, as does the IRS, refuse to co-operate with congressional efforts to discovery their prior conduct.
9. Dozens of individuals, at the highest levels of government, protected and continue to protect the treasonous conduct by their peers; e.g., Koskinen protecting those who destroyed thousands of volumes of IRS tapes, to cover up also clearly treasonous conduct;
10. We have very few in the press, who are not willing to shield and conceal the conduct of these perpetrators.
11. The perpetrators are so brazen that they engage in this sedition, with little or no concern. Their conduct is public and semi-public; e.g., judges who willingly defy precedent and constitutional constraints, in order to protect others engaged in treasonous conduct, and to thwart an elected President's efforts to protect the citizenry from clear and present harms.

The list could go on and on.

Posted by: Venus high-low at December 15, 2017 02:57 PM (BhzaG)

173 I thought Stroh's was from Detroit?

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That was "Strozhs".

Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2017 02:57 PM (8XRCm)

174 strohs was brewed in detroit, with water piped in from flint.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 02:57 PM (KP5rU)

175 Max Boot is one angry man. What is it with Russian Jews?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 02:53 PM (YV+SU)

I don't know about that, but Boot has always fascinated me because he's not stupid. He's written several books on military history. He writes well. He's read widely. You would think someone like this would want to know answers, to get to the truth--to be curious.
What's in it for him to protect these scoundrels? And what drives his Trump hatred?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 02:57 PM (7uYFy)

176 I can't pronounce Strzok, but he looks like someone put Larry Hagman on a starvation diet then jammed his head on top of a Pez dispenser.

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 02:57 PM (EzdLW)

177 Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (42M22)

zombie, add Czrni, please...why? why not !

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 02:57 PM (QC/4S)

178 I'm guessing (from living in Polack-rich SE Michigan) that Strzok is pronounced "Jerk-sock".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 02:57 PM (qJtVm)

179 167 But tell me the Porgs are well received.The Porgs!

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 02:57 PM (LiyEm)

180 170 So Strzok bangs the help and no one calls it sexual harassment.

Cuz he was strzokin''!

Posted by: Clarence Carter at December 15, 2017 02:57 PM (7n4KQ)

181 It's in the Constitution dumbass :'What's on a man's phone is between that man and the phone and the delicious butter he uses for cooking and lubrication. ..but mostly for lubrication. Also eating.'

Posted by: David Frum at December 15, 2017 02:58 PM (8bEU0)

182 There's a whole lot of mess underneath those DC rocks. Lift the rocks!

Posted by: mrp at December 15, 2017 02:58 PM (Pqytn)

183 "158 144 "Strzok -- Strohs, the beer that made Milwaukee famous."

I thought Stroh's was from Detroit?
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Fire Brewed."


Spuds McKenzie was a homo.

Posted by: Alex the Stroh's dog at December 15, 2017 02:58 PM (OD2ni)

184 *looks around* how about this well vintaged Valu-Rite ?
Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 02:52 PM (QC/4S)

Looks like it's time to put the "slant" in "Slainte"!

But alas, I gotta skeedaddle. Happy Friday and Happy Weekend y'all.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2017 02:58 PM (hcyUh)

185 Strzok - Polak, but we'll let that slide for the nonce.

Pronounced - 'stroak'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 02:58 PM (fA1SL)

186 OK, election is over in two minutes -- time for final votes! Totals so far:

Struck - 2
Stroke - 1
Strock - 1
Stir-Zock - 1
Stru-zok - 1
Stro-Zak - 1
Shtrock - 1
StO-k - 1
Stork with O and R reversed - 1
Strohs (the 'k' is silent) - 1
Str(with the "r" de-voiced or palatalized just a bit)ock - 1
Strohhk or Struhk without really opening your mouth - 1

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:58 PM (42M22)

187 20 Notice how they are all saying "Mueller Removed Strzok! That proves he's clean!!!"

while ignoring the fact that Mueller covered up the fact he had to remove Strzok for 3 months, and misled Congress about it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 02:38 PM (k1TUh)

And I wouldn't have had to remove him if it weren't for that meddling IG!

Posted by: Pure as the Driven Snow Mueller at December 15, 2017 02:58 PM (A3b6q)

188 OK let me get this straight- a married FBI agent was texting with his married girlfriend on the GI phones that the secret "plan" they were talking about in someone else's office might not be enough to keep PDT the "menace" from taking office so they needed an "insurance policy" in case the "plan" failed. And Storzk The Heroic was a guy that might just be the guy to save the United States.

And then Storzk manufactures a FISA warrant to spy on Trumps associates.
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If it was a movie, you'd be pissed if you paid to see it.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 02:58 PM (dJ2no)

189 Peter 'stroke'=wanker

Posted by: Gumby at December 15, 2017 02:58 PM (kb3I4)

190 164 Max Boot is one angry man. What is it with Russian Jews?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 02:53 PM (YV+SU)

The combination, in Russia, of the fiercely cold climate, the awful circumstances, and the inability to be a serious alcoholic. It wears on a family ... for generations.
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Not bad. No mention of their overweening mothers though.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 02:58 PM (YV+SU)

191 83 Updated vote totals

Struck - 2
Stroke - 1
Strock - 1
Stir-Zock - 1
'Stork' with O and R reversed - 1
Strohs (the 'k' is silent) -
Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (42M22



Put me down for pronouncing it Sha-chef-ski.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 15, 2017 02:59 PM (lKs2v)

192 These are the same people who obtained and crowd-sourced Sarah Palin's private emails in order to find evidence of wrong-doing, right?

They were also totes cool with a creepy biographer renting the house next door so he could view her and her family 24x7, right?

And Andrew Sullivan in particular felt it was his right to view her g#d-d@mned OBGYN records, right?


And NOW they're telling us govt. records are private.....?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 02:59 PM (W+vEI)

193 156 150 What is this, a spelling bee?
Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 02:54 PM (EzdLW)

Can you use Strzok in a sentence, please?
Posted by: Roy at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (7n4KQ)

After Jimmy went to prison his cellmate Bubba used to Strzok him once a day. Twice on Fridays.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 15, 2017 02:59 PM (RD7QR)

194 I've posted this before, going back to August 2016. It's a BFD:

Here's a post mortem. Comey and the FBI acted on a narrow investigation order. They never investigated how the e-mails wound up on her server. Incredibly, it was only about how Hillary handled them after they got there. (Note that Hillary's minions were given immunity, including for putting the e-mails on Hillary's server). This was purposeful and hamstrung the investigation from the start.
e.g., The FBI did not investigate the "air gap" of how secure content on the government system got moved to Hillary's home brew. This almost certainly had to involve some combination of Huma, Cheryl or Jake. With none of them made a target -- nor their actions tied to Hillary -- much of the case was lost. No intent, no conspiracy. No leverage on Hillary's minions. Importantly, I thought this could be proven without any minion flipping, just with time logs of who accessed what and when. This should have been a relatively easy case to make. Had it been, there's no way that Comey couldn't find requisite intent no matter how he read the applicable statutes.
Nor did the FBI investigate Clinton Cash Corruption. I thought they would, based on leaks to Fox News'' Catherine Herridge. She got played. So did I. Related to this, the FBI ignored that "Hillary's lawyers permanently put 30,000 e-mails beyond forensic recovery." This is the true Holy Shit Headline.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 02:59 PM (cAXIk)

195 85 I'm not the only one who thinks that last big photo of Mueller looks like found footage of Bigfoot, am I?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 02:47 PM (qJtVm)

LOL

Posted by: josephistan at December 15, 2017 02:59 PM (7HtZB)

196 If Mueller had not been ratted out, would he ever informed congress ?? I'll give you a hint. Begins with a No with a Fucking in the middle and ending with a Way

Posted by: Stevie "don't pet the dogs" Hatfill at December 15, 2017 03:00 PM (4u7kU)

197 So I suppose these putzes wouldn't mind it a bit if Mueller replaced his entire staff with personnel who spent 2016 texting anti-Hillary messages to each other, and/or who donated to Trump's campaign, and/or worked as legal counsel for Trump's tech support guy. Right?

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 03:00 PM (EzdLW)

198 The vindictiveness of the Never-Trumpers is whats most amazing. It's not just that they're taking their bat and ball and going home, its that they are calling everyone who won't play by their rules "racist", "fascist" and any other names that occur to them. Bill Kristol called Tu-Ca a racist in print because of his immigration stand, if my recollection is right.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a bad, bad man at December 15, 2017 03:00 PM (ylUqT)

199 The "insurance policy" in my instant analysis sounds like the whole Trump/Russia narrative ... set up with the dossier, using FBI help to fund it and spread it (like Comey telling Trump about it so it suddenly was newsworthy).

The insurance included Comey leaking to the NY Slimes, using outside methods to get his buddy in as fellow (dirty) cop to handicap or impeach Trump.

And it includes all the spying on Trump as the Fusion/Russian woman went in, and they "wired" Trump Tower. Then the lies to get the FISA warrant, the changing of the rules so anyone at the WH could acquire the normally masked "wiretap" intel to reporters.

The whole network of subversives need prison or hanging. imo

Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2017 03:00 PM (otAqJ)

200 I can't pronounce Strzok, but he looks like someone put Larry Hagman on a starvation diet then jammed his head on top of a Pez dispenser.
Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 02:57 PM (EzdLW)

Well done.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 03:00 PM (7uYFy)

201 Final totals:

Struck - 2
Stroke / Stroak - 2
Strock - 1
Stir-Zock - 1
Stru-zok - 1
Stro-Zak - 1
Shtrock - 1
StO-k - 1
Stork with O and R reversed - 1
Strohs (the 'k' is silent) - 1
Str(with the "r" de-voiced or palatalized just a bit)ock - 1
Strohhk or Struhk without really opening your mouth - 1

I guess we'll have to compromise and call him Peter.

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 03:00 PM (42M22)

202 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (wmaTe)

*accidentally drops a few hundred dollar bills on officers shoes* Officer ! You dropped something, yes down there....on you shoes...

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 03:00 PM (QC/4S)

203 >> I thought Stroh's was from Detroit?


You are thinking of The White Stzrvps.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:00 PM (8bEU0)

204 "I don't know about that, but Boot has always fascinated me because he's not stupid. He's written several books on military history. "


Does he know as much military history as "The Expert" Tom Nichols?

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 03:01 PM (OD2ni)

205 Hey, the Stroh's I remember (from stealing one of Dad's cans from the fridge) tasted okay. A lot better than the 3.2 hosspiss Wiedemann I bought at Riverfront Stadium. Nothing sez class like white chunks of yeast floating in a plastic cup.

Posted by: mrp at December 15, 2017 03:01 PM (Pqytn)

206 Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:58 PM (42M22)
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Strzok - Shtir-zhock

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at December 15, 2017 03:01 PM (qJtVm)

207 20 Notice how they are all saying "Mueller Removed Strzok! That proves he's clean!!!"

while ignoring the fact that Mueller covered up the fact he had to remove Strzok for 3 months, and misled Congress about it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 02:38 PM (k1TUh)


Not to mention the fact taht I'm sure everyone who ever came within an arm's length of Strzok knew that he was a Shrillary butt-boi and hated Trump (and probably all to the right of Che) with the heat of a thousand suns. I doubt Strzok was very subtle about his political leanings and intentions. He doesn't appear to have made any smart decisions regarding anything, so far as we've seen.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 03:01 PM (8gDQu)

208 Max Boot: So it turns out that FBI agents, like the rest of us, have opinions. These 2 criticized Bernie Sanders, Eric Holder, Chelsea Clinton, Donald Trump. So what? Real news is their privacy is being violated their texts used to undermine Mueller.

... I guess Max Boot forgot that Herr Mueller [horses whinny] thought these messages were enough to remove Strzok from the investigation. To say that these messages shouldn't matter is to undermine the judgement of Herr Mueller [horses whinny].

Posted by: undocumented illegal Matt Damon at December 15, 2017 03:01 PM (e8kgV)

209 Can you use Strzok in a sentence, please?
Posted by: Roy at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (7n4KQ)

James Comey just had a Strzok

Posted by: Stevie at December 15, 2017 03:01 PM (4u7kU)

210 Can you use Strzok in a sentence, please?

*types* *deletes*
*types* *deletes*
*types* *deletes*
*types* *deletes*

I give up!

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 03:02 PM (EzdLW)

211 161
OK let me get this straight- a married FBI agent was texting with his
married girlfriend on the GI phones that the secret "plan" they were
talking about in someone else's office might not be enough to keep PDT
the "menace" from taking office so they needed an "insurance policy" in
case the "plan" failed. And Storzk The Heroic was a guy that might just
be the guy to save the United States.

And then Storzk manufactures a FISA warrant to spy on Trumps associates.


Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (ymnmz)


And his girlfriend was an attorney situated in an office that would have given her the ability to approve - or at least lobby for approval of - said FISA warrant application, yes.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/283195/

Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at December 15, 2017 03:02 PM (rP4OC)

212 >> I thought Stroh's was from Detroit?


Yes. Did you also know that "Stroh farts" is a real condition?

Posted by: Roy at December 15, 2017 03:02 PM (7n4KQ)

213 >>>Justice Department and FBI employees have the right to their political opinions.


Wait a moment ... I could have sworn that government employees did not have the right to their own opinions.

Didn't Diane Feinstein say that Catholics shouldn't be allowed to become judges because it might influence their opinions? I'm so confused.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 15, 2017 03:02 PM (/qEW2)

214 http://bit.ly/2BebPuz

Adam Schiff Panics After Strzok Text Messages Released I am Worried GOP Will Shut Down Mueller Investigation

Wllowed

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 03:02 PM (y3aQB)

215 Dammit - Those Boys are out there Strzok'n it in my shed, again!

Posted by: Hank Hill at December 15, 2017 03:02 PM (8bEU0)

216 206. Nope. That would be 'strzjok'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 03:02 PM (fA1SL)

217 I'm watching the end of To Sir With Love. Who wouldn't do that chick?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 15, 2017 03:02 PM (6Ll1u)

218 Updated recount totals:

Struck - 2
Stroke / Stroak - 2
Strock - 1
Stir-Zock - 1
Shtir-zhock - 1
Stru-zok - 1
Stro-Zak - 1
Shtrock - 1
StO-k - 1
Stork with O and R reversed - 1
Strohs (the 'k' is silent) - 1
Str(with the "r" de-voiced or palatalized just a bit)ock - 1
Strohhk or Struhk without really opening your mouth - 1

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 03:03 PM (42M22)

219
I wonder.

Meuller had an almost impeccable reputation before this mess.

I wounder if he took this job without really understanding (or was misled about) the entrenched Deep State shit that was bubbling beneath the surface.

Some people still value their reputations... and Meuller stikes me as one of those guys. Im wondering if this shit is going to give him pause and he ends up shutting the whole thing down with "COLLUSION?? What Collusion"??

Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2017 03:03 PM (8XRCm)

220 Adam Schiff Panics After Strzok Text Messages Released I am Worried GOP Will Shut Down Mueller Investigation


Adam Schiff looks like a pinky finger that's been cut off and reattached to a foot.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:03 PM (ptqGC)

221 I don't know about that, but Boot has always fascinated me because he's not stupid. He's written several books on military history. He writes well. He's read widely. You would think someone like this would want to know answers, to get to the truth--to be curious.
What's in it for him to protect these scoundrels? And what drives his Trump hatred?
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Trump is basically not into making a global democracy.

There's a strong feeling, well read and possibly even well intentioned core of folks who think they can fix things. They really really think they can fix them. They think that all the efforts of the past were just mis directed. Those folks on the left identify themselves as communists. Those folks on the right don't really like to identify themselves with a label.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:03 PM (r8W2x)

222 >>Can someone tell me how to pronounce Strzok?

Patsy

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 03:04 PM (r9UYA)

223 215 I believe his name on that show was Mr.Anderson....

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 03:04 PM (LiyEm)

224 i think you are supposed to roll the 'r'.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:04 PM (8bEU0)

225 >>Not to mention the fact taht I'm sure everyone who ever came within an arm's length of Strzok knew that he was a Shrillary butt-boi and hated Trump (and probably all to the right of Che) with the heat of a thousand suns. I doubt Strzok was very subtle about his political leanings and intentions. He doesn't appear to have made any smart decisions regarding anything, so far as we've seen.

Strzok was surrounded by fellow travelers. Strzok is just one person in a multi-person scandal.

Comey -> McCabe -> Priestap -> Strzok

And that's just a few of them.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 03:04 PM (/tuJf)

226 Conservative and Christian American citizens are the enemy. I don't know how much clearer our government can make that for the People.

This won't end well either way it falls.

Posted by: Monk at December 15, 2017 03:04 PM (g4lFK)

227 Never Trumpers are globalists ... they were in on the scheme to install Hillary. Their world is coming apart if their uniparty pals start going to prison.

"America First" is anathema to them. They want to continue going to the cocktail party with the new world order of oligarchs. imo

Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2017 03:04 PM (otAqJ)

228 Stuff like 'strzok' is what happens when you try to use Latin alphabet for a Slavic language.

Only thing worse I can think of is pinyin. Tengri wept.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 03:04 PM (fA1SL)

229 Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 03:00 PM (EzdLW)

I always wondered how one would pluralize "putz". As an antique dealer, I always used "putti" as a guide. It never seemed right

Posted by: sofa saver at December 15, 2017 03:05 PM (4u7kU)

230 215

http://youtu.be/U-NbpfrMAgk

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 03:05 PM (LiyEm)

231 Just saying, sometimes efforts intensify to discredit people as partisan hacks,

when there's increasing evidence that they are, in fact, partisan hacks.

But yeah - correlation, causation, yadda yadda...

Posted by: Parker at December 15, 2017 03:05 PM (ZfzDM)

232 What would it take for the establishment to react? The Obama administration uses the IRS to attack conservative groups. In Wisconsin, shock troops invade citizens' homes in predawn raids. The Secretary of State exposes all of her electronic communications on a private server with minimal security. Numerous govt agencies leak classified information to undercut the duly elected president. And in the last 10 days it is discovered that the people at the heart of an investigation into the conduct of the administration were not only rapid partisans, but actively colluding in ginning up the investigation in the first place. And not one of the g-damned institutional pillars of our democracy can be bothered to point out that each of these is a Constitutional violation and threat to our entire system of government.

Posted by: IanDeal at December 15, 2017 03:05 PM (qcIL3)

233 Ask Scalia about Insurance Policies.

Posted by: Monk at December 15, 2017 03:05 PM (g4lFK)

234
Hillary, why did you steal our lunch money?

Posted by: Starving Haitian Kids at December 15, 2017 03:06 PM (r+sAi)

235 192
These are the same people who obtained and crowd-sourced Sarah Palin's
private emails in order to find evidence of wrong-doing, right?

They were also totes cool with a creepy biographer renting the house next door so he could view her and her family 24x7, right?

And Andrew Sullivan in particular felt it was his right to view her g#d-d@mned OBGYN records, right?


And NOW they're telling us govt. records are private.....?


Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 02:59 PM (W+vEI)


These are also the people who see no problem with the gov't demanding Tea Party groups disclose the text of their fricking PRAYERS to get a non-profit status application approved, so they can just sit on a rake and shut up.

Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at December 15, 2017 03:06 PM (rP4OC)

236 I thought Stroh's was from Detroit?


Like the Detroit Pistrzons

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 03:06 PM (EzdLW)

237 >>Notice how they are all saying "Mueller Removed Strzok! That proves he's clean!!!"


And yet Mueller did not inform Flynn of this, and proceeded to pursue Flynn for lying to the FBI based on Strzok's account of his interview with Flynn, which he did not record (as required).

If Mueller were clean he would have been questioning and verifying ALL of Strzok's work product, no?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 03:06 PM (W+vEI)

238 Stur-Zok, of Antares IIIb, Exiled Under-Lord of the Vrenn.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Don Cyleon at December 15, 2017 03:06 PM (AM1GF)

239 And down here in Texas I just ordered my Gonzales Flag license plate reading AT WAR for the truck. The wife asked me not to get the FU-WAR version (which is still available).

SECEDE is still on the car and DOOM on the scooter.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at December 15, 2017 03:06 PM (nf8x/)

240 229. No. Puttees are leg-wraps. Common kit in the Great War.

The plural of putz is 'law firm'

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 03:07 PM (fA1SL)

241 And NOW they're telling us govt. records are private.....?
=============
You gotta be shittin me.

Posted by: Joe the Plumber at December 15, 2017 03:07 PM (mLLcY)

242 "215 Dammit - Those Boys are out there Strzok'n it in my shed, again!
Posted by: Hank Hil"


LOL. I loved that Hank Hill and Mr. Anderson had the same voice. "That Beaver and Buffcoat fellas, they're nothing but trouble."

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 03:07 PM (OD2ni)

243
I thought Stroh's was from Detroit?

"Fire brewed". In abandoned tenements.

Posted by: tu3031 at December 15, 2017 03:07 PM (O5Q3r)

244 $10 says Strock ends up like Seth.

Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2017 03:07 PM (2Mnv1)

245 31 Can someone tell me how to pronounce Strzok? I don't watch TV so I've never heard it said.



The guy is avoiding scrutiny because no one knows how to say his freakin' name.

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:39 PM (42M22)

I think it's pronounced "stroke."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:40 PM (ptqGC)

You'll be hearing from my lawyers.

Posted by: Billy Squier at December 15, 2017 03:07 PM (NWiLs)

246 208: ... I guess Max Boot forgot that Herr Mueller [horses whinny] thought these messages were enough to remove Strzok from the investigation. To say that these messages shouldn't matter is to undermine the judgement of Herr Mueller [horses whinny].

My, what mockers you have . . .

Posted by: venus d' eye-low at December 15, 2017 03:07 PM (BhzaG)

247 228 Stuff like 'strzok' is what happens when you try to use Latin alphabet for a Slavic language.

Only thing worse I can think of is pinyin. Tengri wept.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 03:04 PM (fA1SL)

Hence Cyrillic. The only way I can make sense of Czech/Polish spelling is to try to think of a corresponding Cyrillic letter.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 15, 2017 03:07 PM (RD7QR)

248 Between this thread and all these presenting housewives I am completely Strzoked out.

Posted by: Frank Thomas for neugenix at December 15, 2017 03:07 PM (8bEU0)

249 Peter Stroke?

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I'M DRUNKER'N COOTER BROWN!

* cackling fake laugh that goes on way too long *

* vomits *

* passes out *

Posted by: DistHillary at December 15, 2017 03:07 PM (j+dfT)

250 Why don't these people just finally get over it and admit they don't like democracy?

Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 03:08 PM (VpIIl)

251 240 229. No. Puttees are leg-wraps. Common kit in the Great War.

The plural of putz is 'law firm'
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 03:07 PM (fA1SL)

*sigh*

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 03:08 PM (NWiLs)

252 "these questions deserve to be adjudicated within the confines of a serious internal investigation, not a partisan circus."
Well, then, maybe you shouldn't have started this particular circus, eh?

Posted by: GWB at December 15, 2017 03:08 PM (bPZSS)

253 I always wondered how one would pluralize "putz". As an antique dealer, I always used "putti" as a guide. It never seemed right
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Putzels.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 03:08 PM (YV+SU)

254 You don't want the circus, don't fill the place with clowns.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Parker at December 15, 2017 03:09 PM (ZfzDM)

255 Ask Scalia about Insurance Policies.

Posted by: Monk

===========
seriously I never gave it a second thought at the time.

now after all this behind the scenes stuff shows actual conspiracies taking place . . . its back on the table.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:09 PM (zjEbR)

256 Strzok was surrounded by fellow travelers. Strzok is just one person in a multi-person scandal.

Comey -> McCabe -> Priestap -> Strzok

And that's just a few of them.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 03:04 PM (/tuJf)


Yep. They all knew how Strzok felt. Most of them felt the same, exact way. Mueller, and the rest of them, knew exactly what they had on this hit team put together to investigate crimes that they, themselves, had been instrumental in making up and pushing.

Nothing new, though. Just like the Valerie Plame "investigation" ... run by that dipshit Patrick Fitzgerald (vouched for by Andrew McCarthy ... yeah) who also made a mockery of the Barky Senate Seat auction.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 03:09 PM (8gDQu)

257 I happened to have Hugh Hewitt on the radio on the morning drive the other day, and Andrew McCarthy was on discussing this.

He seemed to think it was "no big deal" regarding the tweets, etc.

And that's when I turned off that station.

I don't care what government employees think in their private lives. But they are supposed to be professionals. If Strzok (stroke) was using his Guv blackberry/phone, he had no business texting this garbage.
McCarthy just protecting his peeps with weak sauce rationalizaton.
I'm disgusted and this helps no one. Hewitt was all agreeing with McCarthy.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at December 15, 2017 03:09 PM (vcOmj)

258 247. Pinyin got easier for me once I understood that it was developed by Russians. Pronounce yhe latin letter according to its closest russian Cyrillic analogue, and you're not likely to go too far wrong.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 03:10 PM (fA1SL)

259 We thought WE had a swamp.

Posted by: Oak Island boys at December 15, 2017 03:10 PM (HgMAr)

260 Off Sock!

Posted by: Surfperch at December 15, 2017 03:10 PM (gfU6H)

261 You'll be hearing from my lawyers.
Posted by: Billy Squier at December 15, 2017 03:07 PM (NWiLs)

Shut up you pansy. "Rock Me Tonight" video killed your career.

Posted by: auscolpyr at December 15, 2017 03:10 PM (suO/a)

262 $10 says Strock ends up like Seth.
Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2017 03:07 PM (2Mnv1)

Does he know where Fort Marcy Park Is?? & does he have a gun made out of 2 different guns & talented enough to reach around behind his head & shoot himself twice?

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 03:10 PM (y3aQB)

263 strzok as in struck out
z is silent
o is pronounced uh

jimmy the weasel was the errand boy
andy was secured with the 700k bribe by clinton
she called the shots to andy to peter and lisa

Posted by: azalea city at December 15, 2017 03:10 PM (WX+x0)

264 "Meuller had an almost impeccable reputation before this mess. Posted by: fixerupper

there have been several articles refuting that clean reputation. and the crap with the Clintons and Chinagate ... and ongoing ever since ... went on while Mueller surely knew what was happening.

The New World Order and global banking "cartels" have been developing for a couple decades at least ... I keep going back to 1999 and Hillary praising Cronkite as he received the "Global Governance Award".

They are thick as thieves in NY/DC.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2017 03:10 PM (otAqJ)

265 "There's a strong feeling, well read and possibly even well intentioned core of folks who think they can fix things. They really really think they can fix them. "


Well said. I believe Bill Kristol sincerely thought we could fix the ME by just invading and taking out leaders.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 03:10 PM (OD2ni)

266 So far, we have one vote each for

Stroke
Strock
Struck

Any more variations?

Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 02:43 PM (42M22)



You're a mean one Mr. Strzok - Stink, stank stunk

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 03:10 PM (493sH)

267 These Putzels make me so... thirsty.

Posted by: Kramer at December 15, 2017 03:11 PM (r9UYA)

268 mueller is the cleaner

Posted by: azalea city at December 15, 2017 03:11 PM (WX+x0)

269 Ask Scalia about Insurance Policies.



===========
seriously I never gave it a second thought at the time.

now after all this behind the scenes stuff shows actual conspiracies taking place . . . its back on the table.
++++++++++++++++

Breitbart

Posted by: Gordon Henry at December 15, 2017 03:11 PM (KdDCu)

270 243
I thought Stroh's was from Detroit?

"Fire brewed". In abandoned tenements.
---------------------
Heh, Stroh's went national somewhere in the late 70s or early 80s. Then they found out how much advertising is required to become a national brand and returned to their abandoned tenements. Methinks Old Milwaukee had something to do with the business plan retreat.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 03:11 PM (YV+SU)

271 >>Yep. They all knew how Strzok felt. Most of them felt the same, exact way. Mueller, and the rest of them, knew exactly what they had on this hit team put together to investigate crimes that they, themselves, had been instrumental in making up and pushing.

>>Nothing new, though. Just like the Valerie Plame "investigation" ... run by that dipshit Patrick Fitzgerald (vouched for by Andrew McCarthy ... yeah) who also made a mockery of the Barky Senate Seat auction.

Oh no, this is very new. This is basically an attempted coup and the use of branches of the federal government to go after members of the other party.

This is without a doubt the biggest scandal in the history of the country and I say that without a bit of hyperbole.

That's why they are crossing all the Ts and dotting all the Is. When you go for the king you better kill him.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 03:12 PM (/tuJf)

272 >>Can someone tell me how to pronounce Strzok?
...........

Wank

Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 03:12 PM (HgMAr)

273
Notice how they are all saying "Mueller Removed Strzok! That proves he's clean!!!"


No it proves he's not entirely stupid.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2017 03:13 PM (lKyWE)

274 273. So, he's Ruby to Strzok's attempted Oswald.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 03:13 PM (fA1SL)

275 FIFO out of the final tax bill....

Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 03:14 PM (VpIIl)

276 Updated vote totals

Struck - 2
Stroke - 1
Strock - 1
Stir-Zock - 1
'Stork' with O and R reversed - 1
Strohs (the 'k' is silent) - 1
shtrock - 1
Posted by: zombie

Dickhead with poor taste in mistresses.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 15, 2017 03:14 PM (326rv)

277 No way I'm going end up like that Yankee bastard JFK.
Y'all on your own.

Posted by: J. Sessions at December 15, 2017 03:14 PM (r9UYA)

278 seriously I never gave it a second thought at the time.

now after all this behind the scenes stuff shows actual conspiracies taking place . . . its back on the table.
++++++++++++++++

Breitbart
==============
Look. I'm kinda old. Got little kids with special needs.

But if it is shown they did that, its on.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:14 PM (HIczr)

279 hugh hewitt is an elitist dipshit.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 03:15 PM (KP5rU)

280 Strohs was better than Schaefers

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 15, 2017 03:15 PM (6Ll1u)

281 Oh no, this is very new. This is basically an attempted coup and the use of branches of the federal government to go after members of the other party.

Barky started doing that in 2009.

This is without a doubt the biggest scandal in the history of the country and I say that without a bit of hyperbole.

Close. Barky did worse. But this is very close. Of course, this was all started by Barky, so he should get credit for it, too.

That's why they are crossing all the Ts and dotting all the Is. When you go for the king you better kill him.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 03:12 PM (/tuJf)


They are just counting on the cowardice of half the GOP leadership and Congress and the complicity of another 30%.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 03:15 PM (8gDQu)

282 Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 02:59 PM (cAXIk)

You raise a good point. If Hillary's destruction of 30,000 emails from a server upon which she did State Dept business isn't a willful violation of law, the rest of this is going nowhere either.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 03:16 PM (3myMJ)

283 Meuller has never thought a partial thought in his life!
He has never sinned and can do no wrong!

Posted by: Hyperpartisan Nevertrumper at December 15, 2017 03:16 PM (gfU6H)

284 >>Close. Barky did worse. But this is very close. Of course, this was all started by Barky, so he should get credit for it, too.

Who the fuck do you think is behind this up to his skinny ass?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 03:17 PM (/tuJf)

285 re: There's a strong feeling, well read and possibly even well intentioned core of folks who think they can fix things. They really really think they can fix them.

Thomas Sowell's Conflict of Visions illustrates this so clearly. Unconstrained people, vs. us constrained people.

Sowell was so prescient, I wish everyone would read this book of his. It isn't his only good book, either.

Posted by: squeakywheel at December 15, 2017 03:17 PM (CinLf)

286 "Meuller had an almost impeccable reputation before this mess."
Really? I seem to recall a lot of people pointing out how awful of a prosecutor he was - a bully, constantly overturned, etc.

Posted by: GWB at December 15, 2017 03:17 PM (bPZSS)

287 280 Strohs was better than Schaefers
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 15, 2017 03:15 PM (6Ll1u)

Which was better than Milwaukee's Best.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 15, 2017 03:18 PM (RD7QR)

288 Rush is parroting jackstraws theory about info being released piecemeal to prepare the public for the bombshells to come.
Rush, dont panic. Your show prep will continue (endlessly, we hope).

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 03:18 PM (y3aQB)

289 Who the fuck do you think is behind this up to his skinny ass?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 03:17 PM (/tuJf)


Absolutely. I mentioned that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 03:18 PM (8gDQu)

290 Weeeeeee! Russell up 2%

Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 03:18 PM (VpIIl)

291 Stzrok is an American Hero!
He should be elected to congress and canonized!

Posted by: Hyperpartisan Nevertrumper at December 15, 2017 03:18 PM (gfU6H)

292 282: this. we may as well be talking about congressional integrity. laws for government officials are extinct.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 15, 2017 03:18 PM (KP5rU)

293
Updated recount totals:

Struck - 2
Stroke / Stroak - 2
Strock - 1
Stir-Zock - 1
Shtir-zhock - 1
Stru-zok - 1
Stro-Zak - 1
Shtrock - 1
StO-k - 1
Stork with O and R reversed - 1
Strohs (the 'k' is silent) - 1
Str(with the "r" de-voiced or palatalized just a bit)ock - 1
Strohhk or Struhk without really opening your mouth - 1
Posted by: zombie at December 15, 2017 03:03 PM (42M22)



Looks like an early night for Strohhk.

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 03:18 PM (EzdLW)

294 Close. Barky did worse. But this is very close. Of course, this was all started by Barky, so he should get credit for it, too.

Who the fuck do you think is behind this up to his skinny ass?
=========
Yep. They were pulling the levers and making promises to get this done. Holder is the bag man.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:18 PM (k6v88)

295 Close. Barky did worse. But this is very close. Of course, this was all started by Barky, so he should get credit for it, too.



Who the fuck do you think is behind this up to his skinny ass?





Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 03:17 PM (/tuJf)


He certainly set all of this in place. He and his chinless criminal pal Holder, Loretta Lynchmob and the Iranian Rodent.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:18 PM (ptqGC)

296 Why would the IRS be the ONLY alphabet Agency Obama turned on his enemies?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:18 PM (8bEU0)

297 So Joe the Plumber, private citizen, does not deserve privacy but jackhole FBI agents on cell phones that the public pays for should not have their biases THAT DIRECTLY EFFECT THEIR JOBS exposed. Gotcha.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 03:19 PM (f5uaD)

298 >>I don't care what government employees think in their private lives. But
they are supposed to be professionals. If Strzok (stroke) was using
his Guv blackberry/phone, he had no business texting this garbage.



Gowdy made this point the other day: the whole point of having an independent counsel is to ensure there is no bias. You can't both demand an unbiased team to deal with it *and* shrug off open, active bias by this same team.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 03:19 PM (W+vEI)

299 Mueller 2020!!!1!!

Posted by: Hyperpartisan Nevertrumper at December 15, 2017 03:19 PM (gfU6H)

300 "You raise a good point. If Hillary's destruction of 30,000 emails from a server upon which she did State Dept business isn't a willful violation of law, the rest of this is going nowhere either."

This was outside the investigative order, which was purposefully narrow.

Expect this to be in the DOJ OIG report.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 03:19 PM (cAXIk)

301 >>Why would the IRS be the ONLY alphabet Agency Obama turned on his enemies?






"Exactly."

-- True the Vote, investigated by IRS, FBI, ATC, EEOC

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 03:20 PM (W+vEI)

302 Gawd, it's the Scalia Conspiracy again!

Guys, trust me on this one: I saw him at Mass for years. Nobody in our parish was the slightest bit surprised when he simply shut down. He'd been looking pretty bad beforehand.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llamabutcher at December 15, 2017 03:20 PM (/G1rZ)

303 242 "215 Dammit - Those Boys are out there Strzok'n it in my shed, again!
Posted by: Hank Hil"


LOL. I loved that Hank Hill and Mr. Anderson had the same voice. "That Beaver and Buffcoat fellas, they're nothing but trouble."
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 03:07 PM (OD2ni)

Like a couple of spider monkeys, I tell you what.

Posted by: josephistan at December 15, 2017 03:20 PM (7HtZB)

304 Rush is parroting jackstraws theory about info being released piecemeal to prepare the public for the bombshells to come.
Rush, dont panic. Your show prep will continue (endlessly, we hope).
Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 03:18 PM (y3aQB)[i/]


And rumors persist that Mr Snerdley is a lurker. Hmmm.

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 03:20 PM (EzdLW)

305 Mueller is a principled conservative!!1!!1!

Posted by: Hyperpartisan Nevertrumper at December 15, 2017 03:20 PM (gfU6H)

306 "Meuller had an almost impeccable reputation before this mess. Posted by: fixerupper



there have been several articles refuting that clean reputation.
and the crap with the Clintons and Chinagate ... and ongoing ever since
... went on while Mueller surely knew what was happening.



The New World Order and global banking "cartels" have been
developing for a couple decades at least ... I keep going back to 1999
and Hillary praising Cronkite as he received the "Global Governance
Award".



They are thick as thieves in NY/DC.



Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2017 03:10 PM (otAqJ)

I knew he was dirty and biased when he was appointed... I kinda figured everyone did.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 03:20 PM (f5uaD)

307 Strohs was better than Schaefers
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 15, 2017 03:15 PM (6Ll1u)

Which was better than Milwaukee's Best.
========
Little Kings Cream Ale - or from the bottom of the barrel, literally, because it still had grains in it
TOP HAT.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:20 PM (1dmPt)

Posted by: Hands at December 15, 2017 03:20 PM (EzdLW)

309 We want to thank all those who came forward during the firestorm of sexual accusations in Hollywood, gov't, and corporate America to help us win that Senate seat. By the way, we don't need you anymore. Good luck!

Posted by: The Left at December 15, 2017 03:21 PM (2z74n)

310 I find it amazing how many 'smart' careerist committed professional Hare Kari for Hillary. What is going on in their head that they risked it all to be a footservant to a women that smells of talcum, bourbon and urine and talks to herself about herself endlessly?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 03:21 PM (YV+SU)

311
"Meuller had an almost impeccable reputation before this mess." Really? I seem to recall a lot of people pointing out how awful of a prosecutor he was - a bully, constantly overturned, etc.
Posted by: GWB at December 15, 2017 03:17 PM (bPZSS)



I thought that was Weinstein not Meuller.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2017 03:21 PM (lKyWE)

312 Heh, Stroh's went national somewhere in the late 70s or early 80s. Then they found out how much advertising is required to become a national brand and returned to their abandoned tenements. Methinks Old Milwaukee had something to do with the business plan retreat.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 03:11 PM (YV+SU)



IIRC, Stroh's made a deal with Coors for dividing national advertising, where Coors would take the Western states and Stroh's the Eastern ones.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 03:21 PM (ujg0T)

313 Expect this to be in the DOJ OIG report.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 03:19 PM (cAXIk)

I see. Thanks.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 03:22 PM (3myMJ)

314 So it turns out that FBI agents, like the rest of us, have opinions. These 2 criticized Bernie Sanders, Eric Holder, Chelsea Clinton, Donald Trump. So what? Real news is their privacy is being violated & their texts used to undermine Mueller. https://t.co/pROxC0E0y0
-- Max Boot (@MaxBoot) December 14, 2017


========

2 problems. "I think such and so policy is wrong" is a political opinion. "Trump MUST be stopped... Heil Hillary... I've got an insurance policy *wink*" kind of goes beyond that.

Second, everyone may have opinions, but that might indicate a duty to recuse yourself. Imagine if a judge were caught tweeting "I really hate this defendant. I'm going to try to prejudice the jury against him". You'd think there'd be a call for his recusal and that it was unethical not to do it himself.

Boots deserves a good boot up the source of his opinions.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 15, 2017 03:22 PM (/qEW2)

315 297
So Joe the Plumber, private citizen, does not deserve privacy but
jackhole FBI agents on cell phones that the public pays for should not
have their biases THAT DIRECTLY EFFECT THEIR JOBS exposed. Gotcha.


Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 03:19 PM (f5uaD)
they went after so hard. and nobody got fired just a paid vacation.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 03:22 PM (dKiJG)

316 The swamp does not take kindly to the light of day.

Posted by: Tentotwo at December 15, 2017 03:22 PM (yhf6w)

317 Gawd, can some male intern(s) PLEASE come forward with sexual harassment allegations against Shep? I don't know what dirt he has on the Murdoch boys, but enough is enough.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:22 PM (ptqGC)

318 Well into this that its probably off the rails but that the Anti-Trump Pro Hillary people were doing the investigation of Trump these same people were supposed to be investigating Hillery

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 03:22 PM (aC6Sd)

319 Test

Posted by: Surfperch at December 15, 2017 03:22 PM (gfU6H)

320 Was it Eli or that turd Max who suggested that you could actually have a private conversation on a government owned phone?

Excuse me but if this is that kind of day where fantasies come true then I think I'll go off and bang Tinker Bell 3 times before dinner.

Posted by: JEM at December 15, 2017 03:23 PM (2NtJa)

321 >>The New World Order and global banking "cartels" have been
developing for a couple decades at least


Ministry - 'N.W.O.' off of Psalm69 (1991).

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:23 PM (8bEU0)

322 strzok firing is a pawn sacrifice, imo. But look at all the damage that pawn did before he was fired.

But unlike chess, the left has accumulated a lot of pieces and powers ... deep state lost the election but it only slowed their machine a little. They have a hundred pawns, bishops, lotsa rooks ...

But we hope the investigation freed a lot of trapped white knights in the FBI and they are on a "crusade" for justice ... or something.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2017 03:23 PM (otAqJ)

323 http://bit.ly/2yERRXg

Trey Gowdy Predicts McCabe will be fired by Next week

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 03:24 PM (y3aQB)

324 >>> OK let me get this straight- a married FBI agent was texting with his married girlfriend on the GI phones that the secret "plan" they were talking about in someone else's office... >>>


And this same guy is one of the top FBI agents for counter-intelligence!?!?! Brilliant! Looks like he's really the top agent for being un-intelligent about ComSec. TOP MEN.

Posted by: Gref at December 15, 2017 03:24 PM (AMIL/)

325 310 I find it amazing how many 'smart' careerist committed professional Hare Kari for Hillary. What is going on in their head that they risked it all to be a footservant to a women that smells of talcum, bourbon and urine and talks to herself about herself endlessly?
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 03:21 PM (YV+SU)

It's all for you, Damien Hillary!

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 03:24 PM (NWiLs)

326 Neocons perverted the meaning of "hawks". Hawks once stood for someone who was for aggressively defending the United States and its interests. Now it stands for someone who is for aggressively sacrificing American money and soldiers to spread globalism.

Old fashioned hawks are now labelled as nationalists and isolationists. Any hint of American patriotism in war is evil, instead we must win it in the name of the international community.

Posted by: William Eaton at December 15, 2017 03:24 PM (MuTTO)

327 Stroke is working in HR for the FBI now. Imagine that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:24 PM (ptqGC)

328 So is it established now that neocons are simply liberals that like war? I just don't understand their line of thinking. If you still think today that bringing democracy to the Middle East is a good idea, then you are no different from the people who claim that real socialism hasn't been tried yet.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 15, 2017 03:25 PM (mynhJ)

329 So if Comey hired a bunch of Morons from AoS to investigate Hillary, that would have been OK?

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 03:25 PM (vLsUj)

330 https://tinyurl.com/y73qmdam

Forbes article on Stroh's beer.

"How to blow 9 Billion Dollars"

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:25 PM (iauUC)

331 >>I find it amazing how many 'smart' careerist committed professional Hare
Kari for Hillary. What is going on in their head that they risked it
all to be a footservant to a women that smells of talcum, bourbon and
urine and talks to herself about herself endlessly?



Strzok's wife got a sweet promotion at the SEC in mid-October.
That might have gone a long way it patching things up with her after the Page affair. People like Hillary like corrupt people (just look at who she's closest to), because they are much easier to pressure into to doing what she wants.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 03:25 PM (W+vEI)

332 FBN Breaking: Corker now a 'Yes' on tax bill.

Posted by: Tami at December 15, 2017 03:25 PM (Enq6K)

333 They had a burner phone to talk about the FAB investigation. Ostensibly, then, they knew the messages about Trump were discoverable and still had the conversations they had. What the hell did they say on the burner phone???

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 03:25 PM (BoMuO)

334 I'll just leave this here from the daily caller:


The Obama State Department allowed former Secretary of State Hillary
Clinton and her top aide Huma Abedin to remove call logs, scheduling
documents and files described as "Muslim Engagement" from government
premises by labeling the records "private," Judicial Watch has learned.



Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 15, 2017 03:26 PM (r+sAi)

335 Big-boobed Shep!-in-training Liz Claman is breathlessly spewing her drivel in a deep cut gray top with some intriguing brown leather(?), silky thing under that.

Life is good.




Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at December 15, 2017 03:26 PM (8iiMU)

336 Well - I'm "thunder-Strzok"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT3SBzmDxGk

Posted by: Publius Redux at December 15, 2017 03:27 PM (Fb9aZ)

337 So if Comey hired a bunch of Morons from AoS to investigate Hillary, that would have been OK?

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 03:25 PM (vLsUj)

As long as we were not manufacturing a case (as Stroke seemed to to get e FISA warrent) it might have the appearance of bias but it certainly wouldn't be corrupt.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 03:27 PM (f5uaD)

338 It's not private communications when it's on government phones (which theses texts were on).

Posted by: Dancing Queen at December 15, 2017 03:27 PM (lZaEn)

339 "ill-advised and foolish communications"

These people really have the best words don't they.

Posted by: Mega at December 15, 2017 03:27 PM (3bJdI)

340 211
161

OK let me get this straight- a married FBI agent was texting with his

married girlfriend on the GI phones that the secret "plan" they were

talking about in someone else's office might not be enough to keep PDT

the "menace" from taking office so they needed an "insurance policy" in

case the "plan" failed. And Storzk The Heroic was a guy that might just

be the guy to save the United States.

And then Storzk manufactures a FISA warrant to spy on Trumps associates.




Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 15, 2017 02:55 PM (ymnmz)

And
his girlfriend was an attorney situated in an office that would have
given her the ability to approve - or at least lobby for approval of -
said FISA warrant application, yes.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/283195/


Posted by: MWR, Public Intellectual, aka Beth at December 15, 2017 03:02 PM (rP4OC)

Starting to look like a honeypot on the part of Ms Page, I think that's her name. Notice in all the texts it was all her cooing and building him up to be the Savior of the US.

Mebbee someone should look at her bank accounts.

Posted by: Lisa Bloom at December 15, 2017 03:28 PM (ymnmz)

341 >>Stroke is working in HR for the FBI now. Imagine that.

I think "working" is the wrong word. Much like his girlfriend, Ohr, McCabe and probably others, he is parked in a room with nothing to do under constant supervision.

He's still an FBI official, still bound by their rules and is available to investigators whenever he is needed. I would think that would be a prosecutors dream.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 03:28 PM (/tuJf)

342 Who else had your Dad give you the bottle cap off a Lucky beer and say, solve it.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 15, 2017 03:28 PM (6Ll1u)

343 As others have said (Venus high low @172 with a nice partial list of the jaw-dropping crimes and associated things), and I've been saying for some time, this is, by far, the greatest scandal in US history (but the IRS scandal deserves a very close second, maybe even a "lifetime achievement award" or the equivalent).


And it's sickening and infuriating that a *reasonable, rational* response to this bad grade-B movie script coming to real life is - well, let's see, nothing may come of it.


And the derangement of so many otherwise not stupid or clueless people continues to amaze, and puzzle. At least those who don't default to simplistic reductionist stuff.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 15, 2017 03:28 PM (QDnY+)

344 Regarding the NYT:

The reason you read us is clear
we make awkward facts disappear.
So, if you should choose
to seek real news
you're sure not to find any here.

h/t commenter Lyle at TimBlair

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at December 15, 2017 03:29 PM (CeiD8)

345 The Obama State Department allowed former Secretary of State Hillary..

See? No laws broken because they allowed it.

Posted by: t-bird at December 15, 2017 03:29 PM (2z74n)

346 329 So if Comey hired a bunch of Morons from AoS to investigate Hillary, that would have been OK?



Not if we were talking amongst ourselves on how to make her appear guilty 2 months before the investigation officially started. Or talked about an insurance policy to use in the event she was elected. It is reasonable to expect FBI agents to have political opinions, but you have to trust that those political opinions don't influence the rigor or outcome of the investgation. That was clearly not the case here.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 03:29 PM (BoMuO)

347
I'll just leave this here from the daily caller:

The Obama State Department allowed former Secretary of State Hillary

Clinton and her top aide Huma Abedin to remove call logs, scheduling

documents and files described as "Muslim Engagement" from government

premises by labeling the records "private," Judicial Watch has learned.



Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 15, 2017 03:26 PM (r+sAi)


Yeah, I saw that last night. Can you imagine Hillary as pres. and her little fiend, er, friend Huma working feverishly with the Muslim Brotherhood?

I truly wish we'd all live to see Obama, Hillz and their minions behind bars. But a Higher Power will judge and punish them.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:29 PM (ptqGC)

348 So is it established now that neocons are simply liberals that like war? I just don't understand their line of thinking. If you still think today that bringing democracy to the Middle East is a good idea, then you are no different from the people who claim that real socialism hasn't been tried yet.

- See number 221 above. The psychology is the same. The pathology is that they think they can fix it. The one side wants it to be run as commie the other as a democracy.

the world is a screwed up broken place and resists all political fixes. On occasion it will accept a patch for a limited time. In the end, its like high school. Its sucks, it is tedious, dangerous, painful, embarrassing, occasionally hilarious at someone else's expense never at your own, and you don't get the change the curriculum, you just pass through it.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:29 PM (r/b01)

349 >>332 FBN Breaking: Corker now a 'Yes' on tax bill.

This concerns me.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 03:30 PM (r9UYA)

350 The swamp creatures will always try to make the swamp deeper and murkier when even remotely threatened.

Posted by: Surfperch at December 15, 2017 03:30 PM (gfU6H)

351 . It is cruel.

Just wait til Trump gets to unusual.

Posted by: DaveA at December 15, 2017 03:30 PM (FhXTo)

352 >>Who else had your Dad give you the bottle cap off a Lucky beer and say, solve it.



You had a Dad?

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 15, 2017 03:30 PM (8bEU0)

353 Masks. Slipping. Everywhere.

Posted by: DocJ at December 15, 2017 03:30 PM (NYS7S)

354 Why would the IRS be the ONLY alphabet Agency Obama turned on his enemies?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 03:18 PM (8bEU0)

Why would the IRS and other alphabet Agencies have the same enemies as Obama ?

Posted by: dDan at December 15, 2017 03:31 PM (hwYmz)

355 So I went to the grocery store to pick up a few things. At the checkout, "The National Enquirer" has a big, blaring headline about how the Clintons rigged the anti-Trump investigation.

Then again, weren't they the ones who broke the story about how John Edwards had a baby by his whore while his wife was dying of cancer?

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 15, 2017 03:31 PM (+lVUW)

356 What is the proportion of those eligible to vote that actually do? Maybe half?

How many actually donate to political campaigns? 5%?


How many rant about politicians on their government issued communication devices (and open to FOIA)? Despite opinions on gov drones being all progs, I doubt it is less than 1%. They get yearly training not to use government resources for political purposes.

There are plenty of people out there that could make an unbiased investigation team just by picking random people to staff it with. The probability of innocently assembling a team who swept Hills crimes under the rug is literally incredible.

Mueller had clearly chosen as about as biased team that he could.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 03:31 PM (Eu5eZ)

357 When you need the absolutely largest volume of piss to be poured out of a receptacle, you print the instructions on the bottom and hope that helps. ie,

Max Boot.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 15, 2017 03:31 PM (0ogQG)

358 >>Masks. Slipping. Everywhere.


Honey, what did I tell you about keeping that mask on?

Posted by: Peter Strzok at December 15, 2017 03:32 PM (8bEU0)

359 I have a government issued cell phone and guess what? It was made very clear to me at issuance that anything transmitted on this phone is the property of the agency. Just like my work PC.

>>It is cruel>>>> Oh go clutch your pearls, take some Midol, and jump off of the highest bridge.

Posted by: Cheri at December 15, 2017 03:32 PM (oiNtH)

360
Max Boot needs to go back to where he came from.

======
No, after all this time you're just going to have to keep him.

-Max Boot's mom's va jay jay

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at December 15, 2017 03:32 PM (CeiD8)

361 152I have no quarrel with Mueller for removing Strzok from the
investigation, whether for substantive or appearance reasons. But I do
know this: these questions deserve to be adjudicated within the confines
of a serious internal investigation, not a partisan circus.

--------

Turn on the light and watch the rats, roaches and other vermin run, Ben Wittis, ASSHOLE.

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 03:32 PM (3svUe)

362 Hillary isn't going to jail.

But Comey may -- and if not his name and reputation will be ruined for all time. Several others may join him.

Mueller joined this to try and save his Peeps. He failed.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 03:32 PM (cAXIk)

363 Light snow and Ghirardelli hot cocoa, a capping of scotch could be the only thing better

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 03:33 PM (aC6Sd)

364 for the love of pete.


I'm wrapping Christmas gifts and I select a very pretty blue and white snowflake patterned paper for my brand new daughter-in-law's present. I get done wrapping it, get the bow just write, go to put the tag on...


... and I notice - those aren't snowflakes. Those are Stars of David. I bought Hanukkah paper. I'd leave it as is, but this is her first Christmas with us, and I don't want her to think I'm a loon.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 03:33 PM (lwiT4)

365 >>Mueller had clearly chosen as about as biased team that he could.

And put them front and center in his investigation where news of their malfeasance would be a huge story.

Very odd for a guy who is smart and cunning enough to become the Director of the FBI.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 03:33 PM (/tuJf)

366 For just a nanosecond, imagine a similar discovery of a right wing investigatory body pursuing Obama. Not only would every single one of these despicable people demand an immediate end to the investigation, they would rail for charges to be filed against all of these people. This would be 72 pt. above the fold headlines. These guys have jumped the shark.

Posted by: IanDeal at December 15, 2017 03:33 PM (qcIL3)

367 I remember when everybody was freaking out over the mish tape, I looked at what Trump actually said and was like "this is it?!?" His comments were PG rated compared what I used to hear on a typical day on a Navy ship. Then it dawned on me that people were outraged about it because the media told them that it was something they were supposed to be outraged about, creating a group think effect.

Now we're witnessing the biggest political scandal in our history, but people don't think it's a big deal because the media is telling them that it's no big deal. How do we work around this? I have no idea.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 15, 2017 03:33 PM (mynhJ)

368
So it turns out that FBI agents, like the rest of us, have opinions. These 2 criticized Bernie Sanders, Eric Holder, Chelsea Clinton, Donald Trump. So what? Real news is their privacy is being violated their texts used to undermine Mueller.


Their privacy should be violated, because if the woman at work he's having sex with decides it hasn't been entirely consensual and files a suit the taxpayer is the one who gets stuck with the bill

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2017 03:33 PM (lKyWE)

369 I can't remember if it was Tu-Ca last night who said Comey has been sending out some strange Tweets lately. Like he knows he's in deep doo doo.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:33 PM (ptqGC)

370 You know you're getting close when they start talking about privacy issues.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 15, 2017 03:34 PM (bB4HN)

371 334 I'll just leave this here from the daily caller:


They conducted so much "private" business on government resources, on government time, that it was carried out in boxes. I'm sure there is nothing wrong with conducting private affairs with government resources, no regulations on that, right? Or are they trying to say Hillary is hiding criminal activity conducted in the State department by falsely labelling it "personal". Not Hillary. She would never do that. It must have been low level staffers.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 03:34 PM (BoMuO)

372 I can recall when the name Max Boot was bandied about here in respectful tones, much like the name Rick Wilson, as a serious thinker of goodthoughts.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 15, 2017 03:34 PM (0ogQG)

373 Real news is their privacy is being violated their texts used to undermine Mueller.

Company cellphone == no privacy, Maxie old girl. My employer made that very, very clear when they handed me a company mobile, which I handed right back to them 4-months later.

You want privacy? Use you're own fucking cell phone, asshole.

Posted by: DocJ at December 15, 2017 03:34 PM (NYS7S)

374 and I notice - those aren't snowflakes. Those are Stars of David. I bought Hanukkah paper. I'd leave it as is, but this is her first Christmas with us, and I don't want her to think I'm a loon.
==========
Lol. Yeah, you'd better change that.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:34 PM (zmX4w)

375 Do these gums make my ass look fat?

Posted by: Lisa Page at December 15, 2017 03:35 PM (vg8iE)

376
-Max Boot's mom's va jay jay
Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad. at December 15, 2017 03:32 PM


No she had the little Boot up her ass.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2017 03:35 PM (lKyWE)

377 the world is a screwed up broken place and resists all political fixes. On occasion it will accept a patch for a limited time. In the end, its like high school. Its sucks, it is tedious, dangerous, painful, embarrassing, occasionally hilarious at someone else's expense never at your own, and you don't get the change the curriculum, you just pass through it.
---------------
Bravo Simplemind. Well done.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 03:35 PM (YV+SU)

378 Privacy my ass.

If you did it on the government dime, then it is public.

We paid for it, so lets see it.

Or, you know, jail for obstruction. Or sedition. Either charge will do.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 15, 2017 03:35 PM (7UW64)

379 Their privacy should be violated, because if the woman at work he's having sex with decides it hasn't been entirely consensual and files a suit the taxpayer is the one who gets stuck with the bill

------------

Their privacy should be violated, because quite frankly their conduct is bordering on treason.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 03:35 PM (sX1BW)

380 Rubio got his five minutes of face time. He will vote yes.

Posted by: Reis Gorthanes at December 15, 2017 03:36 PM (MjhI0)

381 "Rush is parroting jackstraws theory about info being released piecemeal to prepare the public for the bombshells to come " Posted by: MISH McConnell

The left is trying to hold their narrative ... like an army under siege. They are still going with the Trump/Russia narrative, and have opened the second front of distraction with Weinstein and the rest of the Misogynists being outed.

That fills people's heads for the allotment of daily news, but the real story is Obama/Clinton spying on Trump, and the real global cabal of money laundering, much running through the Clinton fund, but also a wider network.

Everyone in DC has some degree of connection to the Deep State ... good people have been leaving for years, now Ryan is leaving in 2018? the purge is necessary, but Mueller is still there.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2017 03:36 PM (otAqJ)

382 >>
... and I notice - those aren't snowflakes. Those are Stars of David. I bought Hanukkah paper.

Cover your right eye and tell me what you see.

R F C Z W O B

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 03:36 PM (r9UYA)

383 "Justice Department and FBI employees have the right to their political
opinions. To the extent their private political expressions for some
reason make it impossible for them to work on a certain matter, they
certainly have the right to have that determined without having their
careers ruined and their names dragged publicly through the mud by
politicians who know nothing about the circumstances in question."


It isn't that they expressed political opinions, that they can do legally, it is that they expressed that they were planning to take actions to influence the outcome of an election and to moot the will of the people should Trump be elected.

"Words are cheap, the price of action is colossal."

It is that they conspired to take actions that is the problem and is where the illegality starts. If they can be shown to have taken an action in furtherance of thwarting the Trump campaign or the result of the election then a criminal conspiracy is what they are part of.

Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 03:36 PM (zOpu5)

384
for the love of pete.

I'm wrapping Christmas gifts and I
select a very pretty blue and white snowflake patterned paper for my
brand new daughter-in-law's present. I get done wrapping it, get the bow
just write, go to put the tag on...

... and I notice - those
aren't snowflakes. Those are Stars of David. I bought Hanukkah paper.
I'd leave it as is, but this is her first Christmas with us, and I don't
want her to think I'm a loon.
posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 03:33 PM (lwiT4)




At least you're wrapping gifts. I have an entire closet full that I keep avoiding. I hate wrapping so much. And I've had an exhausting, crappy week.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:36 PM (ptqGC)

385 But what about the no disclosure agreements with the Office of Special Counsel? Why would you do that?

Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front at December 15, 2017 03:36 PM (2X7pN)

386 I can't remember if it was Tu-Ca last night who said Comey has been sending out some strange Tweets lately. Like he knows he's in deep doo doo.
==========
Yeah, I could see Jimmy Drama doing something rash

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:36 PM (r8W2x)

387 >>Very odd for a guy who is smart and cunning enough to become the Director of the FBI.


Odd, indeed. Almost queer, even.

Posted by: J. Edgar Hoover's Whale Bone Corset at December 15, 2017 03:36 PM (8bEU0)

388 >>> I met a Czech chick whose last name is Dv. To this day, I have no idea how to pronounce it and ask "can I buy a vowel?"

If I was her I'd become a doctor, just so could write out my name as Dr. Dv all the time!

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 03:37 PM (hvf9s)

389 Priestap

Oh no, not again.

Posted by: TheAltarBoys at December 15, 2017 03:37 PM (FhXTo)

390 Mueller and Comey and Sztrok have an amazing blindness and arrogance bred from decades of holding prosecutorial power.

As Walter White would say, "we're the one's who knock."

But now, tables turned.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 03:37 PM (cAXIk)

391 It Begins. Emily's List supported Female candidate for the Kansas 3rd US House seat, drops out after a sex harassment suit uncovered. She made the moves on a male co-worker.

How many women in congress had cases settled also?

Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 03:37 PM (HrSJb)

392 Strzok is pronounced "Strock" and appears to be Hungarian. Makes sense. Other Hungarian names and their pronunciations:

Nagy: "Nahj"
Kovacs: "Kovatch"
Szekely: "CK", and yes, Szekely is famous pervert Louis CK's real last name.

Posted by: gewa76 at December 15, 2017 03:37 PM (8HVXo)

393 Anyone here think Comey might off himself? I don't wish that at all. I want him behind bars.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:37 PM (ptqGC)

394 Yeah, I could see Jimmy Drama doing something rash
Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:36 PM (r8W2x)

Lordy, I hope there's tapes....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 03:38 PM (7uYFy)

395 "Publication of someone's private texts -- even if they are conducted on government phones -- is an astonishing breach of privacy.

>>> No it isn't.

Govt phones, govt emails = govt property = public property

Posted by: Traddy the plumber at December 15, 2017 03:38 PM (GSJcT)

396 Now we're witnessing the biggest political scandal in our history, but people don't think it's a big deal because the media is telling them that it's no big deal. How do we work around this? I have no idea.

Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 15, 2017 03:33 PM (mynhJ)


You post it in public and follow it up with a tape of ol' Joe saying "This is big fuckin' deal!"

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 15, 2017 03:38 PM (7UW64)

397 The level of corruption and criminality we are seeing in realtime is breathtaking.

We literally have to decimate our entire LE and IC apparatuses and rebuild then from scratch.

People should be put before the firing squad for the treason we are witnessing.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2017 03:38 PM (IUKdF)

398 >>I can't remember if it was Tu-Ca last night who said Comey has been
sending out some strange Tweets lately. Like he knows he's in deep doo
doo.



Who's to say he's not sending coded messages? Not like he was a prolific tweeter before now.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 03:39 PM (W+vEI)

399 "Publication of someone's private texts -- even if they are conducted on government phones -- is an astonishing breach of privacy.

>>> No it isn't.

Govt phones, govt emails = govt property = public property

----------

Fair to say, the FBI likely holds a very different view when it comes to actual private communications.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 03:39 PM (sX1BW)

400 Jane, I've said at least half a dozen times that Comey strikes me as a potential suicide case. Going back to his bizarre behavior/statements after being fired by Trump. I stand by that WAG.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 15, 2017 03:39 PM (QX0Xt)

401 Democracy dies in swamp-gas.

Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2017 03:39 PM (2Mnv1)

402 Strohs is from Detroit. My grandparents were from Russia and Bohemia. When their siblings arrived a few years later, they naturally had different immigration officers. As a result al of the siblings had different spellings of their names.

Posted by: Chillin the most at December 15, 2017 03:39 PM (S5wVA)

403 At least you're wrapping gifts. I have an entire
closet full that I keep avoiding. I hate wrapping so much. And I've had
an exhausting, crappy week.




Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:36 PM (ptqGC)
======================

I used to absolutely love wrapping gifts. I'd spend days.Then I got over it. I'm sorry your week is crappy, Jane. Mine kind of is too. Two funerals in the next three days. And of course Rev works Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, so we can't be with the fam. I hope things turn brighter for you.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 03:39 PM (lwiT4)

404 Looks like 7 brackets in the tax bill, closer to the senate version with a lower (37%) top rate.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (VpIIl)

405 How many women in congress had cases settled also?

I'm guessing that's why The List of settlements hasn't been released and is probably sitting in a Fed.GOV warehouse next to The Arc of the Covenant. I think it will be, frankly, shocking to some to see the number of females on that list.

Posted by: DocJ at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (NYS7S)

406 367 I remember when everybody was freaking out over the mish tape, I looked at what Trump actually said and was like "this is it?!?" His comments were PG rated compared what I used to hear on a typical day on a Navy ship. Then it dawned on me that people were outraged about it because the media told them that it was something they were supposed to be outraged about, creating a group think effect.

Now we're witnessing the biggest political scandal in our history, but people don't think it's a big deal because the media is telling them that it's no big deal. How do we work around this? I have no idea.
----------------
Biggs, this is why Manhattan Media is so important to Manhattan Privilege. They are our real legislature, supreme court and president. What did you think would happen when you crossed the beams of Madison Ave, with Wall Street and placed it in the Media Center of the Nation? Manhattan Privilege runs everything.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (YV+SU)

407 "Publication of someone's private texts -- even if they are conducted on
government phones -- is an astonishing breach of privacy."

... excuse me, but there is no expectation of privacy in regard to texts on government issued cell phones. If these two lawyers don't know that ... perhaps a stint in the private sector will straighten them out.

Posted by: undocumented illegal Matt Damon at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (e8kgV)

408 At least you're wrapping gifts. I have an entire closet full that I keep avoiding. I hate wrapping so much. And I've had an exhausting, crappy week.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:36 PM (ptqGC)


Gift bags FTW.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (7UW64)

409 This is ludicrous.

I was going to rant but it doesn't matter.

There is only Will To Power. I know how that story ends. Do not want.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (dEQP3)

410 The level of corruption and criminality we are seeing in realtime is breathtaking.

---------------

Its not shocking. A government this big is going to be littered with corruption and criminality. Ultimately, there is only one way to minimize it.

Posted by: SH at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (sX1BW)

411 >>Mueller had clearly chosen as about as biased team that he could.

And this has been known since damn near the beginning of the Special Counsel. And the MFM still doesn't think it merits any mention.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (0ogQG)

412 Anyone here think Comey might off himself? I don't wish that at all. I want him behind bars.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:37 PM (ptqGC)

I hope not either, but I'd be surprised if there isn't a suicide or two by the time this thing is over.
I said that here last week re all the sexual misconduct charges flying around--and then that Kansas state senator offed himself....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (7uYFy)

413 324 >>> OK let me get this straight- a married FBI agent was texting with his married girlfriend on the GI phones that the secret "plan" they were talking about in someone else's office... >>>


And this same guy is one of the top FBI agents for counter-intelligence!?!?! Brilliant! Looks like he's really the top agent for being un-intelligent about ComSec. TOP MEN.
Posted by: Gref at December 15, 2017 03:24 PM (AMIL/)

Our ruling class is made up of evil retards, like the Pakleds.

Posted by: josephistan at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (7HtZB)

414
I met a Czech chick whose last name is Dv.

Are we not Mn?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (IqV8l)

415 I think the insurance policy is more extensive. I think it is (yes is) an ongoing spying campaign on the Trump WH by elements in the DoJ and intelligence community.

Hence you have Mueller place in a position essentially above the law and almost limitless power to "investigate", that is, spy.

It probably aided and abetted by elements in the Federal judiciary including those issuing injunctions against the Trump administration.

Posted by: MAGA at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (3svUe)

416 398
>>I can't remember if it was Tu-Ca last night who said Comey has been

sending out some strange Tweets lately. Like he knows he's in deep doo

doo.


Who's to say he's not sending coded messages? Not like he was a prolific tweeter before now.


Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 03:39 PM (W+vEI)



Comey: My bungholio is against the wall. My bungholio is against the wall. My gloryhole has a long line. My gloryhole has a long line.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (Dp6qK)

417 Manhattan Privilege runs everything.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 03:40 PM (YV+SU)


And that, right there, is how you get Donald Trump.

Nobody anywhere else gives one good shit about NYC. But NYC thinks we should.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (7UW64)

418 >>How many women in congress had cases settled also?


I'm still expecting to see settlements for at least one of Sheila Jackson-Lee's staffers given that she's known at the worst boss on the Hill.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (W+vEI)

419 Grammie Winger, Christ was Jewish so the wrapping should stay. The faiths are complementary.

Posted by: torabora at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (6dFYM)

420 >>Mario Dondi is now a "yes" vote on the tax bill. Fucking grandstanding stooge.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

I bought the little fucker off.
Sent him a couple of cases of bottled water.

Posted by: PDJT at December 15, 2017 03:42 PM (2cuLk)

421 We literally have to decimate our entire LE and IC apparatuses and rebuild then from scratch.

People should be put before the firing squad for the treason we are witnessing.
===============
Let me demonstrate my efficiency.

Posted by: Sweet Meteor of Doom at December 15, 2017 03:42 PM (Wqq8y)

422 402. And then the Chinaman said, "When I went to the clerk and he asked my name, I told him 'Sam Ting.' "

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 03:42 PM (fA1SL)

423 It's getting more difficult everyday for me to trust ANY part of the government in Washington City.

Posted by: Eromero at December 15, 2017 03:42 PM (zLDYs)

424 >>It probably aided and abetted by elements in the Federal judiciary including those issuing injunctions against the Trump administration.

To bad Trump has the NSA watching all of them.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 03:42 PM (/tuJf)

425
Now we're witnessing the biggest political scandal in our history, but people don't think it's a big deal because the media is telling them that it's no big deal. How do we work around this? I have no idea. Posted by: Biggs Darklighter at December 15, 2017 03:33 PM (mynhJ)


Start prosecuting people and then let them explain why it's no big deal.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2017 03:42 PM (lKyWE)

426 nood taxes; rubio

Posted by: andycanuck at December 15, 2017 03:42 PM (QCX64)

427 392 Strzok is pronounced "Strock" and appears to be Hungarian. Makes sense. Other Hungarian names and their pronunciations:

Nagy: "Nahj"
Kovacs: "Kovatch"
Szekely: "CK", and yes, Szekely is famous pervert Louis CK's real last name.
Posted by: gewa76 at December 15, 2017 03:37 PM (8HVXo)

That Strzok guy. Fuck him in particular.

Posted by: Walter Kovacs at December 15, 2017 03:42 PM (NWiLs)

428 391 It Begins. Emily's List supported Female candidate for the Kansas 3rd US House seat, drops out after a sex harassment suit uncovered. She made the moves on a male co-worker.

How many women in congress had cases settled also?
Posted by: donny at December 15, 2017 03:37 PM (HrSJb)




With the femi-commiecrats, I am expecting dyke harrassment to be exposed.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (ujg0T)

429 Mario Dondi is now a "yes" vote on the tax bill. Fucking grandstanding stooge.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

I bought the little fucker off.
Sent him a couple of cases of bottled water.

Posted by: PDJT
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Well played. Very well played.

*golf clap*

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (jAjrJ)

430 Jimmy Drama has weird psychology. He's a sanctimonious fuck -- uber religious -- who thought he was a kind of saint on earth, above the hypocrisy, when he's actually been one of the worst criminals in the history of the US (stealing the Presidency.

That may be sinking in through that Lace Curtain head of his. Compare how he handled Marta Stewart to Hillary.

When it does .... He knows he's going to Hell, no matter what happens on Earth.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (cAXIk)

431 Dear Diary,

The mean girls were mean again today! I can't take it no more.

Posted by: Jimmy Commie at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (2Mnv1)

432 393
Anyone here think Comey might off himself? I don't wish that at all. I want him behind bars.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:37 PM (ptqGC)

I am not sure from "what little reading I have done" that Comey has his fingerprints on anything that can really hurt him. I think if he plays stupid enough and burns a few people under him, he will walk away disgraced, but still get a nice seat on the Board of Some Toney Country Club (Gotta trade mark (or copyright) that name have I mentioned I'm not a lawyer)

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (ymnmz)

433 Tractor Truck load of salt with this
Thomas Paine
@Thomas1774Paine
The FBI Texts are Child's Play. We bring the house DOWN on this whole shit show in

Posted by: MISH McConnell at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (y3aQB)

434 ... and I notice - those aren't snowflakes. Those are Stars of David. I bought Hanukkah paper. I'd leave it as is, but this is her first Christmas with us, and I don't want her to think I'm a loon.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 03:33 PM (lwiT4)


========

Still plenty of time - no sweat.


But it makes me wonder - the Koch snowflake: an ecumenical design?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_snowflake

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (/qEW2)

435 Worked with a guy whose last name was Krajacic pronounced kray-itch.

Posted by: irright at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (pMGkg)

436 And alex, and others, as astounding and outrageous as all this is, note that 1) the Dem Party literally doesn't care, has not even a hint of regard for rule of law or constitutional governance 2) there is no press, and what passes for one *also* literally is no more American in sensibility than any randomly picked groups of people from Algeria, Belarus, or Bolivia 3) at least half and probably more of the American people don't care, and could barely even understand what the big deal is, even IF it were explained to them.


Posted by: rhomboid at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (QX0Xt)

437 >>> those aren't snowflakes. Those are Stars of David. I bought Hanukkah paper. I'd leave it as is, but this is her first Christmas with us, and I don't
want her to think I'm a loon. posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 03:33 PM (lwiT4)

I'm sorry for your dilemma! I hope it's ok that I find it hilarious. I'm sure the wrapping looks beautiful. I hate rewrapping gifts once I've wrapped them!! I feel your pain.

I keep putting off my own wrapping, sigh, need to do it soon. I buy various wrapping paper from the dollar store, patterns that work together, and then mix and match whatever. This year is woodland critters! Last year was holiday themed Star Wars.

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 03:44 PM (hvf9s)

438 405 How many women in congress had cases settled also?

I'm guessing that's why The List of settlements hasn't been released and is probably sitting in a Fed.GOV warehouse next to The Arc of the Covenant. I think it will be, frankly, shocking to some to see the number of females on that list.
Posted by: DocJ
_________

There's also a chart listing suggested settlement amounts to be paid to the men who were being harassed:

If Rosa DeLauro, then government pays $50 million.

If Kristi Noem, then "victim" pays government $10,000.

Posted by: Furious George at December 15, 2017 03:44 PM (j+dfT)

439 Grammie Winger, Christ was Jewish so the wrapping should stay. The faiths are complementary.

Posted by: torabora at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (6dFYM)
=======================

I've decided that Rev will be the recipient of the Hanukkah-wrapped gifts this year. My son thinks it's hilarious, but my new daugther-in-law is such a quiet girl. I don't know if she would see the humor or not. Best not risk it, 5 months in.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 03:45 PM (lwiT4)

440 They always poing out only half or a little over of Mueller's team are Democrats ( and all Hillary hitters) but who are the Republicans on Mueller's team, janitor and part time driver?

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 03:45 PM (aC6Sd)

441 Vote quickly on the tax bill before some moderate changes his mind again. Yes, it's a loaded Christmas tree, legislation always is that.

Overall, it's an improvement.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 03:45 PM (3myMJ)

442 I found Mr. Stroh's wallet once ... in New Orleans. (one of the sons I think) He said he had been "over-served" and lost it somehow. I saw it in the trash, no cash, mailed it back. He sent me a Stroh's shirt for a reward.

"Over served" is PC for drunk on my ass. lol might have had his pocket picked.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2017 03:45 PM (otAqJ)

443 That may be sinking in through that Lace Curtain head of his. Compare how he handled Marta Stewart to Hillary.

When it does .... He knows he's going to Hell, no matter what happens on Earth.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 03:43 PM (cAXIk)

He converted from Catholicism to Baptist or something and teaches Sunday School....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 03:45 PM (7uYFy)

444 Mueller calls Strzok into his office.

"Please have a seat, Mr. Naga...na ga...not gonna work here anymore."

Posted by: gewa76 at December 15, 2017 03:45 PM (8HVXo)

445 393
Anyone here think Comey might off himself? I don't wish that at all. I want him behind bars.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:37 PM (ptqGC)



*types*

*deletes*

He is too arrogant to do what should be done.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2017 03:45 PM (Dp6qK)

446 The thing about the text messages is - it's not a big deal - except they were stupid enough to do it on their G issued phones. That's why I say the insurance policy was not so much for Hillary, but for themselves.

Texting on their G phone - they had already come to the conclusion like 95% of the masses/pundits, Hillary Hic-cup Clinton would win the election. The policy was in case DJT was elected. How could they cover their tracks.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 15, 2017 03:46 PM (bB4HN)

447 Anyone here think Comey might off himself? I don't wish that at all. I want him behind bars.


Posted by: Jane D'oh



They want us dead.
Guess what? I'm not a high road taker.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 03:46 PM (GjTLE)

448 Jimmy Drama is a legend in his own mind. If he thinks he'll have to live through something embarrassing, he'll contrive himself the "hero's way out". (as it were. in his mind anyway)

I suppose if those he would burn, decide to burn him first, it could get even more interesting.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:47 PM (lLnam)

449 Grammie, you can always keep on the Hannukah wrapping and explain what happened! It's a funny story, if you have the kind of relationship with her that can use this as a bonding moment between you, all the better.

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 03:47 PM (hvf9s)

450 Comey won't go the 'omerta way. He's too chicken shit.

He'll save himself before he saves anyone else in this little drama playing out.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at December 15, 2017 03:47 PM (bB4HN)

451 Posted by: Biggs Darklighter

So true. As a female veteran who worked almost exclusively with men, I heard things that would grow hair on your ass. There were times that I would have to keep from laughing


Posted by: Cheri at December 15, 2017 03:47 PM (oiNtH)

452 I keep putting off my own wrapping, sigh, need to do
it soon. I buy various wrapping paper from the dollar store, patterns
that work together, and then mix and match whatever. This year is
woodland critters! Last year was holiday themed Star Wars.

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 03:44 PM (hvf9s)
=================

What I've been doing the last few years is assigning an individual roll to each family member. So this year the 6 year old gets penguin paper, and the 8 year old gets red glitter paper. That way they know right away which ones are their's and they don't constantly search and beg.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 03:48 PM (lwiT4)

453
Anyone here think Comey might off himself? I don't wish that at all. I want him behind bars.Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 03:37 PM (ptqGC)


I get the feeling Comey still views himself as a heroic figure in all this.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2017 03:49 PM (lKyWE)

454 People should be put before the firing squad for the treason we are witnessing.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 15, 2017 03:38 PM (IUKdF)


Hanging or firing squad? Just do it!

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 15, 2017 03:49 PM (y7DUB)

455 Ah just saw your followup post Grammie. Yay for the rev getting the wrapping! Glad you figured out a solution.

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 03:49 PM (hvf9s)

456 How many women in congress had cases settled also?

I'm guessing that's why The List of settlements hasn't been released and is probably sitting in a Fed.GOV warehouse next to The Arc of the Covenant. I think it will be, frankly, shocking to some to see the number of females on that list.
Posted by: DocJ
=========
based upon my personal experience with women lawyers over decades. I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:49 PM (w9Wx9)

457 This should get them agitated ...
On February 25, 2015, DHS published a final rule extending eligibility for employment authorization to certain H-4 dependent spouses of H-1B nonimmigrants who are seeking employment-based lawful permanent resident (LPR) status. DHS is publishing this notice of proposed rulemaking to amend that 2015 final rule. DHS is proposing to remove from its regulations certain H-4 spouses of H-1B nonimmigrants as a class of aliens eligible for employment authorization.

Posted by: undocumented illegal Ashley "Nasty Woman" Judd at December 15, 2017 03:49 PM (e8kgV)

458 219
I wonder.

Meuller had an almost impeccable reputation before this mess.

I wounder if he took this job without really understanding (or was misled about) the entrenched Deep State shit that was bubbling beneath the surface.

Some people still value their reputations... and Meuller stikes me as one of those guys. Im wondering if this shit is going to give him pause and he ends up shutting the whole thing down with "COLLUSION?? What Collusion"??
Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2017 03:03 PM (8XRCm)

Except for the fact that he was Comey before Comey was Comey.

When Comey couldn't Comey anymore, he set it up to bring in the guy Comey learned to Comey from.

He's dirty from the Uranium One days. At least Comey doesn't have his fingerprints on that Clinton scam.

He took the job because it was self serving - to keep his own ass out of jail.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 15, 2017 03:49 PM (A3b6q)

459 he is parked in a room with nothing to do under constant supervision.

I'd have him walking around dusting the Trump portraits, in a onesie.

Posted by: DaveA at December 15, 2017 03:50 PM (FhXTo)

460 Grammie, you can always keep on the Hannukah
wrapping and explain what happened! It's a funny story, if you have the
kind of relationship with her that can use this as a bonding moment
between you, all the better.

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 03:47 PM (hvf9s)
================

Oh yes I'm keeping it for sure. I'll just switch it over to Rev's gifts. He can go all Old Testament on us. Micah 5. Isaiah 40. Like that. It'll work.

Posted by: grammie winger - stunned by Christmas at December 15, 2017 03:50 PM (lwiT4)

461 Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 03:45 PM (7uYFy)

God is in charge of eternal judgment. Whatever Comey did he still has time to throw himself on the mercy of the Lord and ask for pardon for his sins. His being a corrupt hyper partisan does not mean he cannot go to Heaven.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 15, 2017 03:50 PM (8+Ozj)

462 And that, right there, is how you get Donald Trump.

Nobody anywhere else gives one good shit about NYC. But NYC thinks we should.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 15, 2017 03:41 PM (7UW64)
**************
they might not care but 25000 or so people on Wall Street represent a huge 10%? amount of the earning of the US population. We should care if we don't. Remember 10% of the population pay 70% of the taxes.

Posted by: torabora at December 15, 2017 03:50 PM (6dFYM)

463 Clever idea for the kids' wrapping paper Grammie!

Posted by: LizLem at December 15, 2017 03:50 PM (hvf9s)

464 What we're seeing with the NeverTrump contingent is a party split. It's strange, though, since I consider Bill Kristol and his like-minded Country Club Republican pals to be modern-day Whigs--and so does Kristol since he's already called for the formation of a New Whig Party.

An avid student of history, I thought conservatives and populists would split from these New Whigs just as anti-slavery Republicans like Lincoln and Fremont split off from the old Whigs back in the day. It didn't occur to me they would be the ones splitting from us.

I find it heartening history doesn't repeat itself exactly. It tore the country apart and brought on a shooting war the last time this song played.

Posted by: troyriser at December 15, 2017 03:52 PM (raGQi)

465 And this isn't even worth a mention, but apparently our security standards are now so low that a top FBI married official can carry on an affair with another, subordinate, FBIer and not even lose his security clearance, let alone his freakin' job.

I mean, didn't this sort of stuff used to be taboo? Then again, belonging to the Communist Party was sorta frowned upon in the past too.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 15, 2017 03:52 PM (0ogQG)

466 Gift bags FTW.

Posted by: tcn

Amen sisters! The only time that I will actually wrap a gift is if it for a kid 12 or under. Everyone else, be glad you didn't get it in a plastic grocery bag

Posted by: Cheri at December 15, 2017 03:53 PM (oiNtH)

467 Some people still value their reputations... and Meuller stikes me as one of those guys. Im wondering if this shit is going to give him pause and he ends up shutting the whole thing down with "COLLUSION?? What Collusion"??
Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2017 03:03 PM

I think there is something to this--and that's why Adam Schiff sent out those panicky tweets today about "The republicans shutting it down in two weeks"--to get out in front of it. The tell was Schiff invoking "Bannon"--like he has anything to do with this....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 03:53 PM (7uYFy)

468 ...with the receipt.

Posted by: Cheri at December 15, 2017 03:53 PM (oiNtH)

469 I find it heartening history doesn't repeat itself exactly. It tore the country apart and brought on a shooting war the last time this song played.
=========
Don't start count your chickens yet.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:53 PM (Wqq8y)

470
And this isn't even worth a mention, but apparently our security standards are now so low that a top FBI married official can carry on an affair with another, subordinate, FBIer and not even lose his security clearance, let alone his freakin' job.


That use to mean you were a prime target to be blackmailed.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2017 03:54 PM (lKyWE)

471 That use to mean you were a prime target to be blackmailed
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nowadays people put that crap up on their facebook page.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 03:55 PM (G914Q)

472 Will be interesting to see what that scroungy little shit Comey's next move will be. He is trying to hawk his book and portray himself as a warrior for justice. As the cards keep falling, which way will he turn?

Posted by: Cheri at December 15, 2017 03:55 PM (oiNtH)

473 It is cruel to investigate the criminals. How are they suppose to commit crimes unmolested?

Posted by: Witless Ben Wetpants Wittes at December 15, 2017 03:55 PM (n4tk6)

474 And this isn't even worth a mention, but apparently our security standards are now so low that a top FBI married official can carry on an affair with another, subordinate, FBIer and not even lose his security clearance, let alone his freakin' job.


That use to mean you were a prime target to be blackmailed.
Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 15, 2017 03:54 PM (lKyWE)

What if Page is in on the "sting?" Reading those texts, didn't it seem she was asking leading questions to Strzak? Or is that my imagination?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 03:58 PM (7uYFy)

475 So Nevertrumpers are now trashing Bob Goodlatte of all people?!?
Bob Goodlatte?!?
Look, I'll concede that he may be a bit more conservative at heart than a lot of GOPers, but he's still very much an Establishment guy. The Ryanites didn't make him Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee because he's a Tea Party darling or fire-breathing Trumper, for heaven's sake.

When you resort to calling Goodlatte a fascist hack, you have truly gone bonkers.





Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 15, 2017 03:58 PM (0jtPF)

476 Starting to wonder:

Imagine a remake of "Seven Days in May" where a loudmouthed populist outsider is elected president, and the FBI and key intelligence / counterintelligence officials decide they love the country too much to let him take it in the direction he wanted.

How many liberals today would be rooting for the coup? (I know Bill Kristol and Max Boot would.)

Posted by: JPS at December 15, 2017 03:58 PM (9ziuC)

477 Peter Stroke ???? This might be the most appropriate name ever. You couldn't make this stuff up. But then, this is a common movie/tv plot, except the progs are never the bad guys.

Posted by: rwisrael at December 15, 2017 04:00 PM (BB1ud)

478 In private they did foolish and unwise things. Their private conversations suggest a lack of judiciousness. They suggest anger and hostility toward the same people they are investigating.

Forget Trump for a moment - what if they were investigating a businessman, and e-mails came out where the investigators said they actively hated the man, actively wished for his demise, and had created an insurance policy to get him no matter what? Wouldn't the defense counsel then seize on these e-mails and say, hey, this was a frame up, the case was tainted from the start by the personal animosity of the prosecutors toward the accused? And wouldn't they win that trial?

My questions goes to the DOJ - why are you tanking your possible case by staffing your investigation with these yo-yos? We are not just helping Trump by demanding these e-mails, and that the employees be fired - we are trying to help you as well bring forth an untainted case for either conviction of dismissal of the charges and claims. Your acts of obfuscation, lies, and foot dragging are NOT HELPING you achieve your stated objectives.

So when your own actions seem counterproductive to the goals you espouse, we begin to wonder if your stated goals are your real goals, or part of the "insurance policy".

Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 15, 2017 04:00 PM (fftfA)

479 >>When you resort to calling Goodlatte a fascist hack, you have truly gone bonkers.



Goodlatte looks like he's coordinating with teh evil Trump - I suppose that's why?

https://twitter.com/DaveNYviii/status/940816073208811523

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 04:00 PM (W+vEI)

480 Did see a former FBI guy say a extra marital affairs would sink you.

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 04:01 PM (aC6Sd)

481 Not much was made of it but a week ago Glenn Reynolds emailed Rush that Lisa Page helped get the FISA warrent that Strzok wanted.
Bed fellows are nice that way.
( think I have that right)

Posted by: Skip at December 15, 2017 04:04 PM (aC6Sd)

482 @291
strozie is an american herro
he should be elected to congress and canonized

so sorry ,1st read as sodomized

Posted by: azalea city at December 15, 2017 04:06 PM (WX+x0)

483 "Equality before the law, also known as: equality under the law, equality in the eyes of the law, or legal equality, is the principle that establishes that each independent human being must be treated equally by the law (principle of isonomy) and which all people are subject to the same laws of justice (due process)."


Yes, yes, that's what we need now more than ever.
Due process.
Here's looking at you bureaucrats.

And all laws that thwart due process be annulled.
Here's looking at you congress.

Posted by: gNewt at December 15, 2017 04:10 PM (r7qNw)

484 What if Page is in on the "sting?" Reading those texts, didn't it seem she was asking leading questions to Strzak? Or is that my imagination?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 03:58 PM (7uYFy)

--------------------------------
What sting? If by sting you mean honey pot for the Hillary cause then yeah, she's in on that.

If she was leading him anywhere it was to make sure Hillary was exonerated and that they did everything to help her win including illegally wiretapping and surveilling their opponent's campaign and then committing treason/sedition to overthrow a duly elected president. All using a made up dossier with a FISA court stamp of approval.

The FBI knowingly created/paid for false information and then used that information as the basis for this abomination.

They all need to hang.

Posted by: The Media Suxs at December 15, 2017 04:11 PM (n4tk6)

485 Good gawd! The complete dimwittery and malfeasance of our "media [propagandist] betters."

Simple thought experiment I always use: Reverse the players from Red to Blue. As in: WRT to "Russion Collusion" of Hillary Clinton, Peter Strozk, one of many Republican-FBI agents was caught in texts to his paramour calling Hillary an idiot and buffoon and they needed an insurance policy to keep her from getting elected.

Watching the Democrat-talkers squawk their heads off would be a spectacle!

Posted by: Frankly Reading at December 15, 2017 04:17 PM (5+Ewo)

486 Frum is the go to guy for deli sandwiches...and maybe pickles.

Posted by: Orson at December 15, 2017 04:43 PM (iA3kn)

487 Here's the thing.....

Hillary was both a former First Lady and a Secretary of State. In both capacities I have to imagine that half of what she reads or writes is in some way confidential, if not classified.

So what does she do? She puts **all** of her SoS correspondence on her own unsecured server. Spectacularly irresponsible.

And then this Strzuck guy. First of all, despite the fact that he's married, he decides he should dip his wick in the office pool. That's dumb anywhere but at the FBI, that alone ought to be enough to get a rookie FBI guy fired.

But Strzuck isn't a rookie. He ends up texting his "paramour" (I loved it when Gowdy used that in grilling Rosenstein the other day) on his .gov device. The content of the conspiracy suggested by the texts is bad enough, but Strzuck isn't some guy on the bank robbery detail who just forgot that texts are discoverable.....he's some kind of big cheese in FBI counter-intelligence. Did he not learn anything in Counter-Intelligence 101? How many bad guys did he trip up by grabbing what had been recorded on an electronic device? Like Hillary, Strzuck appears to me to be spectacularly arrogant....believing that he was above scrutiny.

And I watch enough TV to say that the consensus on his name is "Struck".

Posted by: Action Jackson is my name. Bold adventure is my game. at December 15, 2017 05:11 PM (lm6/W)

488
Intelligent people understand warnings that things received or sent on employer-issued devices are property of the employer and therefore take steps to keep their private deep thoughts out of those devices.

Guess we're not dealing with intelligent people here.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 15, 2017 05:13 PM (0LaWm)

489 "We have just empaneled a Special Prosecutor to look into Fast & Furious. You may want to hire a criminal defense attorney".
Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 02:42 PM (GjTLE)
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There is no question Holder's hands are bloody but as a government official there is little likelyhood he can be held accountable for his bad acts. There would have to be a statute that directed him to be accountable.

Posted by: torabora at December 15, 2017 05:22 PM (6dFYM)

490 4


By the way, Eric Holder is threatening some sort of retaliation if Mueller is indeed fired.



That guy in particular deserves "a good talking to," IYKWIM.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 15, 2017 02:34 PM (mbhDw)

The footsteps must be getting close.I want to hear this pig squeal like the bastard he is.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at December 15, 2017 06:09 PM (UsCnO)

491 FBI agents have no right to privacy if they are having an affair at work, using work Emails to besmirch the President and plot with Russia and Fusion to help the Clintons win an election.

Posted by: Rose at December 15, 2017 06:46 PM (30UCB)

492 This is only the tip of the iceberg, the IG may have witness testimony as to who and what was said in the 'insurance' meeting. Expect Comey, Yates and Lynch to have been present. This is a smell, and when 'IT' hits the fan, the names will be a who's who of DOJ/FBI and oval office members. Read Andy McCarthy for the thought process of the never-trump cabal. He dismissed obstruction months ago, but he now is back on the topic as Russia isn't panning out for his 'side'. Mueller's job is to find what the DOJ/FBI/National Security Apparatus failed to find, the way to stop Trump. With Comey gone, they had to do something, hence Mueller. Comey was fired because he objected to the IG investigation, knowing what it would find. Unable to stop it, Rosenstien brought in Mueller to find something, anything to stop Trump and the IG. Mueller is pressed for time, if any one turns and sings, he is done. The IG is about to drop the hammer, and Mueller knows it. If he fails to do something before the IG send McCabe, Rosenstien and many others to the axe, the game is up. Muller may pull a reverse Comey to try to save his reputation, he will outline no evidence against Trump but claim 'I was about to get the miscreant out of our hair but..' Don't laugh, think Wisconsin, IRS, should I go on. It would not be surprising if Rosenstien was in the meeting too, and he is calling Valerie Jarrett for assurance they will pay his legal bills.

Posted by: Jake Bell at December 15, 2017 07:05 PM (aMLJi)

493 Washington's sentries violated my privacy rights by looking in my boot. That was my personal correspondence with Gen. Arnold concerning the defenses at West Point!

Posted by: Major John Andre at December 15, 2017 07:45 PM (Ndje9)

Lisa Bloom Promised Big Cash to Two Trump Accusers

So that's how the game works, eh?

A well-known women’s rights lawyer sought to arrange compensation from donors and tabloid media outlets for women who made or considered making sexual misconduct allegations against Donald Trump during the final months of the 2016 presidential race, according to documents and interviews.

California lawyer Lisa Bloom’s efforts included offering to sell alleged victims’ stories to TV outlets in return for a commission for herself, arranging a donor to pay off one Trump accuser’s mortgage and attempting to secure a six-figure payment for another woman who ultimately declined to come forward after being offered as much as $750,000, the clients told The Hill.

The women’s accounts were chronicled in contemporaneous contractual documents, emails and text messages reviewed by The Hill, including an exchange of texts between one woman and Bloom that suggested political action committees supporting Hillary Clinton were contacted during the effort.


Bloom, who has assisted dozens of women in prominent harassment cases and also defended film executive Harvey Weinstein earlier this year, represented four women considering making accusations against Trump last year. Two went public, and two declined.

In a statement to The Hill, Bloom acknowledged she engaged in discussions to secure donations for women who made or considered making accusations against Trump before last year’s election.

"Donors reached out to my firm directly to help some of the women I represented," said Bloom, whose clients have also included accusers of Bill Cosby and Bill O’Reilly.

She offered one woman $760,000, before that woman declined to come forward.

Posted by: Ace at 01:21 PM




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1 Where's my shocked face.

Posted by: sunny-dee at December 15, 2017 01:22 PM (QAOZh)

2 First and I don't think this is going to turn out to be a BFD, unfortunately.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 15, 2017 01:22 PM (ul9CR)

3 How many of the Roy Moore accusers got the same considerations?

Posted by: Traddy the plumber at December 15, 2017 01:22 PM (GSJcT)

4 I think the whole Trump accuser thing is going to fizzle.

Posted by: blaster at December 15, 2017 01:23 PM (WonQS)

5 Top ten? What a great end to a great day!!!!

Posted by: biblio at December 15, 2017 01:23 PM (6FY0P)

6 I get that this is a scummy thing to do, but it's not illegal or anything, right?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at December 15, 2017 01:23 PM (KUaJL)

7 Nice to know the daughter is following in the footsteps of Mom and carrying on the family tradition of being a hitman for the DNC.

Posted by: Blake at December 15, 2017 01:24 PM (qC1Sy)

8 Top FIVE?!?! I'd better buy a lottery ticket on my way home. Oh, and these women give the rest of us women a really bad name.

Posted by: biblio at December 15, 2017 01:24 PM (6FY0P)

9 As a lawyer, she makes me fucking hate lawyers.

Posted by: California Red at December 15, 2017 01:24 PM (AzsM3)

10 Is this the airing of grievances thread or the repeal of net neutrality kicked my puppy thread?

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2017 01:24 PM (Dp6qK)

11 Reminder Lisa Bloom = Gloria Allred's daughter. And was all set to defend the Ficus Fucker.

Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 01:24 PM (cAnNx)

12 Just because it's not illegal doesn't make it right.

Posted by: biblio at December 15, 2017 01:24 PM (6FY0P)

13 Interesting. As a lawyer, I think she would realize that giving the "victim" a monetary payment for her testimony would kind of tank any criminal case in which her client was the victim.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 01:25 PM (wmaTe)

14
But Russia was trying to influence our ELECTION!

Posted by: Don Q. at December 15, 2017 01:25 PM (NgKpN)

15 The Left has wandered into the Land of Tedium... watch... they are going to roll out a New Attack, any day now...

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 01:25 PM (zSVEm)

16 This is part of Pussygate. Which required the illegal leaking of a private conversation by MSM in a hit job co-ordinated with the Hillary campaign.

Hillary's Mooks knew this would kill Trump's campaign and even drive him from the race. Which is why they started to chilling the champagne early.


Posted by: Ignoramus at December 15, 2017 01:25 PM (cAXIk)

17 zzzzZZZZzzzz

Posted by: J. Sessions at December 15, 2017 01:25 PM (r9UYA)

18 Second Oldest Profession in the World.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 01:25 PM (8bEU0)

19


This one time Trump made me open 12 cans of Diet Coke for him while he ate....(stifles cry)....TWO scoops of ice cream....*sobs*...psst. Where's my $750,000?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 01:25 PM (493sH)

20 9
As a lawyer, she makes me fucking hate lawyers.

Posted by: California Red at December 15, 2017 01:24 PM (AzsM3)


There is a reason that people hate attorneys, and Lisa Bloom and her mom are caricatures of those reasons.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2017 01:25 PM (Dp6qK)

21 She's a book publisher offering an advance to budding authors who want to write fiction. What's wrong with supporting the literary arts?

Posted by: Gordon Henry at December 15, 2017 01:26 PM (KdDCu)

22 Yep.....Trumpcamp. her & her mother. And maybe a neighbor or two, as a wwarning to others.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 01:26 PM (fA1SL)

23 2 First and I don't think this is going to turn out to be a BFD, unfortunately.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 15, 2017 01:22 PM (ul9CR)

Not to the media, but as a lawyer she has a fiduciary duty to do what's best for her client, no?

And is doing something, like what would appear to a jury to be getting paid to accuse someone of a crime, that would really hurt the prosecution of her "victims" "attacker" really in the best interest of her client?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 01:26 PM (wmaTe)

24 I heard the one woman who talked about Trump going backstage and she was naked under her robe. Dear lord it's getting out of hand.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 01:27 PM (dKiJG)

25 Lisa Bloom seems loathesome... maybe Gloria Allred loathesome.

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 01:27 PM (zSVEm)

26 3 How many of the Roy Moore accusers got the same considerations?
Posted by: Traddy the plumber at December 15, 2017 01:22 PM (GSJcT)

I would love to see him sue for Slander and Libel.

Discovery could unearth things that are very enlightening...

Posted by: Don Q. at December 15, 2017 01:27 PM (NgKpN)

27 Wait.

Lisa Bloom's mother is....Gloria Allred?

NOW it all makes sense.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at December 15, 2017 01:27 PM (eytER)

28 This whore's mama probably paid Moore's accusers too. The election should be declared invalid do to DNC collusion in this scheme

Posted by: CN at December 15, 2017 01:27 PM (5gaNQ)

29 Eh. Worked to defeat Ray Moore.

I expect this to be tried again against Trump, shortly.

But nice to have Lisa Bloom dragged out into the sunlight.

Behind a boat...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2017 01:27 PM (xJa6I)

30 Since the value is in the smear and not in winning any case, the payoffs don't necessarily require going to court.

Like with Roy Moore, it's a stunt for the Narrative.

I'd say a suit for defamation is much more likely, but I'm not sure about legal jeopardy.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 15, 2017 01:27 PM (oVJmc)

31 25 Lisa Bloom seems loathesome... maybe Gloria Allred loathesome.
Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 01:27 PM (zSVEm)

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apple>tree

Posted by: Blake at December 15, 2017 01:28 PM (qC1Sy)

32 Second Oldest Profession in the World.

And both of them involve the doing of the secks.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 15, 2017 01:28 PM (tRaq7)

33 open warfare, basically.

fvckers.


Floor trading wench Nicole Petallides is again looking good in her sleeveless black dress. No cleavage, though. Can't have everything, I guess.



Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at December 15, 2017 01:28 PM (8iiMU)

34 Is this what they mean by the "money shot"?

Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 01:28 PM (VpIIl)

35 "Why'd they bury them in the same grave?"

Posted by: Just the Punchline's understudy at December 15, 2017 01:28 PM (hXeKX)

36 And is doing something, like what would appear to a jury to be getting paid to accuse someone of a crime, that would really hurt the prosecution of her "victims" "attacker" really in the best interest of her client?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 01:26 PM (wmaTe)

Conspiracy and Bribery.

Its illegal even if you ARE a Lawyer.

Posted by: Don Q. at December 15, 2017 01:28 PM (NgKpN)

37 Did the women declare the money as income on their taxes?

Posted by: JAS at December 15, 2017 01:28 PM (7JbXq)

38 women's rights lawyer

Is that a new term for "shakedown artist"?

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 01:29 PM (xjiRE)

39 But nice to have Lisa Bloom dragged out into the sunlight.

Behind a boat...

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Where I grew up we called it water skiing. or maybe 'tubin'.

Did it for fun.

Posted by: Gordon Henry at December 15, 2017 01:29 PM (KdDCu)

40 It will be brushed off as "standard practice" without ever serious consideration of the incentive such actions create that could, and probably do lead to false accusations.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2017 01:29 PM (EvBgT)

41 34 Is this what they mean by the "money shot"?

Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 01:28 PM (VpIIl)

You're getting into sticky territory there, man.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2017 01:29 PM (xJa6I)

42 Negotiations for payment...Hillary PAC donors...timeline rushed to go public right before the 2016 election.


Yup, it's all about the JUSTICE for the VICTIMS.
And by that, I mean BUYING AN OCTOBER SURPRISE for HILLARY.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 01:29 PM (W+vEI)

43 24 I heard the one woman who talked about Trump going backstage and she was naked under her robe. Dear lord it's getting out of hand.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 01:27 PM (dKiJG)

Trump was naked under his clothes too! OMG she assaulted him!

Posted by: CN at December 15, 2017 01:29 PM (5gaNQ)

44 Yeah, "donations." As in, "how much in donations for a Cleveland steamer, sugarbuns?"

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 15, 2017 01:29 PM (RD7QR)

45 Would Marco Rubio make also that money tax deductible?

Posted by: Marcus T at December 15, 2017 01:30 PM (VpIIl)

46 40 It will be brushed off as "standard practice" without ever serious consideration of the incentive such actions create that could, and probably do lead to false accusations.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 15, 2017 01:29 PM (EvBgT)

Accusations are occasionally made in cases that witnesses received some kind of compensation for their testimony.

It's usually not no big deal. Lawyers can get disbarred for that kind of thing.

Which was my point, really. We all know this is about shaking people down, not preserving a criminal case. But from a legal ethics standpoint... eh, I don't know. Seems... problematic.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 01:30 PM (wmaTe)

47 27
Lisa Bloom's mother is....Gloria Allred?

NOW it all makes sense.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, AKA VA GOP Sucks at December 15, 2017 01:27 PM (eytER)


The rotten apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 01:30 PM (xjiRE)

48 "Donations". I like that. Salomon Melgen was only making "donations" to Bob Menendez.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 15, 2017 01:30 PM (/qEW2)

49 That's an interesting story ma'am. Its worth only $10K . A story that ius worth $100K sounds more like this. Do you have a story that is more like this, in your words?

Oh Wow! Awesome! Now let me help you package that up in such a way as to insulate you from prosecutions while doing maximum damage to a political opponent.

Posted by: Lisa Bloom at December 15, 2017 01:31 PM (ymnmz)

50 Gee,I wonder if they did a similar trawling for accusers against Roy Moore?

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 01:31 PM (LiyEm)

51 11
Reminder Lisa Bloom = Gloria Allred's daughter. And was all set to defend the Ficus Fucker.

Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 01:24 PM (cAnNx)

didn't the Father kill himself.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 01:31 PM (dKiJG)

52 There's probably a good reason that Trump Inc. hasn't purchased Lisa Bloom and sold her to a green-suit-bedecked, gold-toothed sex-trade entrepreneur in Bangkok, but damned if Zod knows what it is...

Posted by: Zod at December 15, 2017 01:32 PM (Bdeb0)

53 didn't the Father kill himself.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 01:31 PM (dKiJG)

So did the ficus.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 15, 2017 01:32 PM (4ErVI)

54 Would've been smarter to structure it as a loan. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 01:32 PM (fA1SL)

55 You know, I frequently talk to women, in public places, while naked under my clothes.. stark naked.

Posted by: kraken at December 15, 2017 01:32 PM (zSVEm)

56
Lisa Darling.

Its a vile person that sexually harasses and abuses women.


It a whole nuther level of vile for a person that wants to profit from the abuse of others.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2017 01:32 PM (8XRCm)

57 Roy Moore could not be reached for comment.

Posted by: Inogame at December 15, 2017 01:32 PM (ySZHT)

58 >>It will be brushed off as "standard practice" without ever serious
consideration of the incentive such actions create that could, and
probably do lead to false accusations.



Eh, I don't know. This is coming in the middle of the #MeToo 'You must believe every victim' hysteria, and it sets womens case back. It does. I know I am disgusted by this and how this impacts *real* victims.

Also think it makes it fair game to now ask each Allred/Bloom victim they parade before the cameras: "How much were you compensated?"

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 01:32 PM (W+vEI)

59 >>>engaged in discussions to secure donations for women

Isn't that lawyer speak for "price haggling with a pimp"?

Posted by: wooga at December 15, 2017 01:32 PM (uCYAx)

60 Interesting. As a lawyer, I think she would realize
that giving the "victim" a monetary payment for her testimony would kind
of tank any criminal case in which her client was the victim.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 01:25 PM (wmaTe)


It was never about a criminal case. There was never any intent to go to court. It's only about whipping the mob into such a frenzy that the target steps down in shame.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 15, 2017 01:33 PM (uiwCw)

61 I don't know. I think we still have to just believe the women. I mean who would lie for a paltry sum like three-quarters of a million dollars?

Posted by: Jar Jar Binks, Feminist - #meesatoo at December 15, 2017 01:33 PM (UubSE)

62 Reminder Lisa Bloom = Gloria Allred's daughter. And was all set to defend the Ficus Fucker.

Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 01:24 PM (cAnNx)

didn't the Father kill himself.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 01:31 PM (dKiJG)

Well, wouldn't you?

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 01:33 PM (7uYFy)

63 57. Dan Johnson, neither.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 01:33 PM (fA1SL)

64 Most sex crime hoaxers seem to do their work pro-bono, for the principle of the thing. But if you can't get volunteers, I guess you've no choice left but hire your own stable of them. Perfectly understandable.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 15, 2017 01:33 PM (/qEW2)

65 55 Holy shit,me too!

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 01:33 PM (LiyEm)

66 >>It a whole nuther level of vile for a person that wants to profit from the abuse of others.



Yes, taking a 30% cut of any tabloid compensation is a thoughtful touch.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 01:34 PM (W+vEI)

67 Greetings to all the citizens for the new state of AlObama. Welcome .

Posted by: chango butt at December 15, 2017 01:34 PM (lgPb4)

68 It was never about a criminal case. There was never any intent to go to court. It's only about whipping the mob into such a frenzy that the target steps down in shame.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 15, 2017 01:33 PM (uiwCw

I know, but I'm saying she may be getting herself in hot water vis-a-vis her license to practice law.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 01:34 PM (wmaTe)

69 52 There's probably a good reason that Trump Inc. hasn't purchased Lisa Bloom and sold her to a green-suit-bedecked, gold-toothed sex-trade entrepreneur in Bangkok, but damned if Zod knows what it is...
Posted by: Zod at December 15, 2017 01:32 PM (Bdeb0)

Because the Donald has more respect for Thai pimps than that? Just spitballin'.

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 15, 2017 01:35 PM (RD7QR)

70 Alabama should investigate this before certifying Jones. Im sure he colluded with fraud.

Posted by: Avi at December 15, 2017 01:35 PM (+Anjo)

71 Basically, 'paying off the mortgage' means 'I'll buy you a house to make this claim.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 15, 2017 01:36 PM (oVJmc)

72 I like how this stuff comes out. I'm starting to wonder if Trump, with his deep pockets, is funding an army of private investigators ferreting out this stuff in order to neutralize his enemies.....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 01:36 PM (7uYFy)

73 Notice it doesn't say anything about Lisa Bloom defending Al Franken? That's because Al previously had honked her titties.

*honk* *honk*

Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2017 01:37 PM (A1FgP)

74 So, what's the dealio with the ESPN stuff today?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 01:37 PM (8bEU0)

75 Floor trading wench Nicole Petallides is again looking good in her sleeveless black dress. No cleavage, though.
=========

Good girl. Unlike those wanton sluts in the House.

Posted by: Marcy Kaptur at December 15, 2017 01:38 PM (vg8iE)

76 I wonder how much one would have to pay to obtain that video of the satanic ritual the DemonRats held where they all ate aborted fetuses with a glass of virgin blood.

Because you know that really does exist.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 15, 2017 01:38 PM (BfOXk)

77 This likely violates the rules of professional conduct of her state bar. You're typically not allowed to advance anything other than court costs and expenses to a client, with some greater leeway for indigent clients, and picking up a financial stake other than your fees is also very closely regulated. She may have insulated herself or thought she insulated herself by being the middleman, but if I was the bar I'd be investigating this very closely.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 01:39 PM (NWiLs)

78 O/T

Woo hoo! My copy of the cookbook arrived!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 15, 2017 01:39 PM (p+Wdc)

79 How has she not been disbarred?

Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 01:39 PM (f5uaD)

80 "Conspiracy and Bribery.

Its illegal even if you ARE a Lawyer. "

None of this ever made it into a courtroom, not even a lawsuit. So there's no laws been broken. It's cheesy and skanky, but it's not illegal, especially since even though it was IMPLIED that they could be making it up, she never said that, only offered to "compensate the victims".

Bloom checked off all of the right boxes to stay just barely on the right side of the law.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 01:39 PM (k1TUh)

81 "Notice it doesn't say anything about Lisa Bloom defending Al Franken? That's because Al previously had honked her titties.

*honk* *honk*"


She is vile, but I'll admit she does look good for 56.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 01:40 PM (OD2ni)

82 Woo hoo! My copy of the cookbook arrived!
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Isn't it friggin' magnificent?

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at December 15, 2017 01:40 PM (vg8iE)

83 "79 How has she not been disbarred?"

She hasn't actually violated any state bar regulations. Sad but true. She's not even paying these people herself, she just offered to facilitate the transfer of assistance from a generous donor. No broken rules there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 01:41 PM (k1TUh)

84 For someone to come forward after several decades with a completely unsubstantiated story like this must have some motivation other than the 'outrage' they claim, still burning after so long when it wasn't enough to make it go public when it was new.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 15, 2017 01:41 PM (oVJmc)

85 "Donors reached out to my firm directly to help some of the women I represented,"

Da.

I was one of them.

This will drive them up walls and into the Volga, no?

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at December 15, 2017 01:41 PM (326rv)

86 "74 So, what's the dealio with the ESPN stuff today?
Posted by: garrett "



Some babe got laid off and claimed sexual harassment against some anchor. ESPN released their texts which clearly show they had a consensual relationship.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 01:41 PM (OD2ni)

87 ESPN stuff?

Butt stuff?

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 01:41 PM (3myMJ)

88 Of course it's how the game works, duh.

Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2017 01:41 PM (eO5CB)

89 I heard the one woman who talked about Trump going
backstage and she was naked under her robe. Dear lord it's getting out
of hand.


Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 01:27 PM (dKiJG)

Next complaint: I was on the ski slopes and Trump looked at me while I was naked... under my parka (sob).

Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 01:42 PM (f5uaD)

90
Jewish kids don't join gangs until they become lawyers.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 15, 2017 01:42 PM (6VHKP)

91 Woo hoo! My copy of the cookbook arrived!

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Isn't it friggin' magnificent?

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at December 15, 2017 01:40 PM


Sadly, I have to wait until I get home to feast my eyes on its cromulence. But then I can do so with cocktails, so there's that.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 15, 2017 01:42 PM (p+Wdc)

92 Trump did grope a woman in front of Ray Charles. He saw the whole thing.

Posted by: josephistan at December 15, 2017 01:43 PM (7HtZB)

93 The California Bar can't revoke Bloom's license for this. It would set a precedent and 90 percent of the big-time lawyers in California would have to be dis-barred for the same shenanigans.

Posted by: Gref at December 15, 2017 01:43 PM (AMIL/)

94 "87 ESPN stuff?

Butt stuff?
Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions,"


What did Hope Solo do now?

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 01:43 PM (OD2ni)

95 77
This likely violates the rules of professional conduct of her state bar.
You're typically not allowed to advance anything other than court
costs and expenses to a client, with some greater leeway for indigent
clients, and picking up a financial stake other than your fees is also
very closely regulated. She may have insulated herself or thought she
insulated herself by being the middleman, but if I was the bar I'd be
investigating this very closely.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 01:39 PM (NWiLs)

could she be working as agent rather than a Lawyer?

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 01:43 PM (dKiJG)

96 >>I like how this stuff comes out. I'm starting to wonder if Trump, with
his deep pockets, is funding an army of private investigators ferreting
out this stuff in order to neutralize his enemies.....



Trump has been among these people for decades, both in NYC and Hollywood. He's seen how they operate, he knows their games from the inside. For example, "The Apprentice" was at NBC...and you don't think he heard about Matt Lauer? He's also the one who made comments about how Huma's husband was a sleaze, and Hillary being connected with him was a security risk --- months before that scandal.

This interview w/AJ Benza is interesting because it shows how Trump has worked with gossip columnists for years to trade dirt for good press. Confirms that he knows these people, knows what they're up to, and knows how to get that info into a reporter's hands if there's something in it for him. Food for thought...

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9d4g3bf

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 01:43 PM (W+vEI)

97 Did Lisa run infomercials? "Have you ever been harassed or made uncomfortable by the Donald? We know you must be out there. Trump must have molested somebody. Just call this toll free number NOW for this limited time offer! BIG Reward$$$ if you act now!"

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 15, 2017 01:43 PM (/qEW2)

98 >>Sadly, I have to wait until I get home to feast my eyes on its cromulence. But then I can do so with cocktails, so there's that.



Try the 'Dildo'!

Posted by: Shep Smith at December 15, 2017 01:44 PM (8bEU0)

99 What's the title to search for the cookbook, please?

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 01:44 PM (3myMJ)

100 could she be working as agent rather than a Lawyer?
=========

More like a Madame.

Posted by: Lisa B. at December 15, 2017 01:44 PM (vg8iE)

101 I was acting according to prcedures and protocols. The death of the suspect's reputation was a tragic accident.

P.S. The the bribe went off accidentally.

Posted by: Lisa Bloom at December 15, 2017 01:44 PM (326rv)

102 What's the title to search for the cookbook, please?
==========

The Deplorable Gourmet

Posted by: bicentennialguy at December 15, 2017 01:44 PM (vg8iE)

103 99 What's the title to search for the cookbook, please?
Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 01:44 PM (3myMJ)

Permalink up in the sidebar

Posted by: josephistan at December 15, 2017 01:44 PM (7HtZB)

104 59 62

Because we have ethical standards, okay? Yeah Lisa Bloom probably think she's hot, but so does every American slattern with a messiah complex. Our 10 baht per bang department advised that she doesn't meet our quality control standards in relation to Siamese hobos, while the torture/ degradation agency is getting surprisingly high demand but some really messed up requests. Just not comfortable filling them.

Posted by: Thai One On Teen and Donkey Brothel, Inc. at December 15, 2017 01:45 PM (jRA31)

105 For someone to come forward after several decades with a completely unsubstantiated story like this must have some motivation other than the 'outrage' they claim, still burning after so long when it wasn't enough to make it go public when it was new.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 15, 2017 01:41 PM (oVJmc)

Hot hat tip: Women are not "scarred" by being propositioned. (outside the usual caveats, ie family members). If Joe Schmo ogled your titties, you aren't "scarred." Now, if you took up some old rich guy on his offer, sold yourself for money and prizes and then feel gross? That's on you.

Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2017 01:45 PM (eO5CB)

106 I can also arrange for you to go on friendly TV shows and answer questions that we have given the reporter to ask you.


Here are your lines.


Stick to the script.


Hello MeAgain, I have a new story for you. Of course IIIIII didn't pay these people to say anything.




Posted by: Lisa Bloom at December 15, 2017 01:45 PM (ymnmz)

107 First and I don't think this is going to turn out to be a BFD, unfortunately.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 15, 2017 01:22 PM (ul9CR)



From what I have heard it is common for lawyers to bribe, err, payoff, err, compensate, yeah compensate witnesses all the time.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 01:45 PM (Eu5eZ)

108 89
I heard the one woman who talked about Trump going

backstage and she was naked under her robe. Dear lord it's getting out

of hand.




Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 01:27 PM (dKiJG)

Next complaint: I was on the ski slopes and Trump looked at me while I was naked... under my parka (sob).


Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 01:42 PM (f5uaD)

The other woman complained that Trump asked for her Phone number, and she felt she had to give it to him since he was the Boss

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 01:45 PM (dKiJG)

109 The Deplorable Gourmet
Posted by: bicentennialguy at December 15, 2017 01:44 PM (vg8iE)

Grazie!

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 01:45 PM (3myMJ)

110 It was never about a criminal case. There was never any intent to go to court. It's only about whipping the mob into such a frenzy that the target steps down in shame.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 15, 2017 01:33 PM (uiwCw)

Which crosses the line in slander and libel.

If she solicited them to tell their stories... and the stories are false?

Annnddddd.... isn't it extortion to threaten a lawsuit you KNOW you are not going to file?

Posted by: Don Q. at December 15, 2017 01:45 PM (NgKpN)

111 Hot hat tip: Women are not "scarred" by being propositioned. (outside the usual caveats, ie family members). If Joe Schmo ogled your titties, you aren't "scarred." Now, if you took up some old rich guy on his offer, sold yourself for money and prizes and then feel gross? That's on you.
Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2017 01:45 PM (eO5CB)

That's just the internalized misogyny talking.

Posted by: Insomniac - Nobody in Particular at December 15, 2017 01:45 PM (NWiLs)

112 Interesting. As a lawyer, I think she would realize
that giving the "victim" a monetary payment for her testimony would kind
of tank any criminal case in which her client was the victim.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 01:25 PM (wmaTe)

It was never about a criminal case. There was never any intent to go to court. It's only about whipping the mob into such a frenzy that the target steps down in shame.
Posted by: Country Singer



If I'm worth $8 or $9 billion dollars, bring it.
Because I, and my stable of lawyers, will see you in court.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 01:46 PM (GjTLE)

113 97 Did Lisa run infomercials? "Have you ever been harassed or made uncomfortable by the Donald? We know you must be out there. Trump must have molested somebody. Just call this toll free number NOW for this limited time offer! BIG Reward$$$ if you act now!"
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 15, 2017 01:43 PM (/qEW2)

Just call 1-800-THE-MISH

Posted by: joncelli, because somebody had to at December 15, 2017 01:46 PM (RD7QR)

114 What's the title to search for the cookbook, please?



You can also search for author: horde

Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2017 01:46 PM (eO5CB)

115 "Woo hoo! My copy of the cookbook arrived!"


Hey, Kemosabe, would like a copy of Pow Wow Chow?

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at December 15, 2017 01:46 PM (OD2ni)

116 I'm not sure the bar would even investigate unless the client who made the financial arrangement filed a complaint that they were treated unfairly. Since this never progressed to an actual legal case, there's no opposing side to make any complaints about her actions.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 01:46 PM (k1TUh)

117

So you can get paid for being a witness?

You get paid more for being an Expert Witness?

Posted by: Gordon Henry at December 15, 2017 01:46 PM (KdDCu)

118 >>could she be working as agent rather than a Lawyer? Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 01:43 PM (dKiJG)

Not unlike Aileen Wuornos' attorney...nice.

Posted by: Zod at December 15, 2017 01:46 PM (Bdeb0)

119
Hot
hat tip: Women are not "scarred" by being propositioned. (outside the
usual caveats, ie family members). If Joe Schmo ogled your titties, you
aren't "scarred." Now, if you took up some old rich guy on his offer,
sold yourself for money and prizes and then feel gross? That's on you.


Posted by: dagny at December 15, 2017 01:45 PM (eO5CB)


So, SO very this. These women are an insult to womanhood.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 15, 2017 01:47 PM (f5uaD)

120 >>You can also search for author: horde


Or, the Publisher : One Handed Typesetting, Inc

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 01:47 PM (8bEU0)

121
104 59 62

Because we have ethical standards, okay? Yeah Lisa Bloom probably think she's hot, but so does every American slattern with a messiah complex. Our 10 baht per bang department advised that she doesn't meet our quality control standards in relation to Siamese hobos, while the torture/ degradation agency is getting surprisingly high demand but some really messed up requests. Just not comfortable filling them.
--------------
Phuket or Pattaya?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 01:47 PM (YV+SU)

122 13 Interesting. As a lawyer, I think she would realize that giving the "victim" a monetary payment for her testimony would kind of tank any criminal case in which her client was the victim.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 15, 2017 01:25 PM (wmaTe)

---

This is all about influencing public opinion. There never was any intention of bringing charges.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 15, 2017 01:47 PM (jVm2N)

123 No joke my company just had a chili cook off. I randomly selected a crock pot, and I saw that it has diced carrots. I work in Dallas FYI.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 15, 2017 01:47 PM (j3x1A)

124 The other woman complained that Trump asked for her Phone number, and she felt she had to give it to him since he was the Boss
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio



Wasn't that so he could pass the number on to a talent scout?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 01:47 PM (GjTLE)

125 Lisa Bloom, along with her horrid mother, need to be stripped and flogged.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 01:48 PM (ujg0T)

126 The other woman complained that Trump asked for her Phone number, and she felt she had to give it to him since he was the Boss
===========

I guess she wasn't smart enough to give out a fake number.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at December 15, 2017 01:48 PM (vg8iE)

127 Which crosses the line in slander and libel.

"It's not a lie if you believe it's true."

If she solicited them to tell their stories... and the stories are false?

Unless someone can prove that she KNEW that they were false, she's off the hook. Defense lawyers represent people who bring false stories into court every day.

Annnddddd.... isn't it extortion to threaten a lawsuit you KNOW you are not going to file?

Almost every practicing lawyer in the country could be charged it that were true. And a whole lot of other people, too.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 01:49 PM (k1TUh)

128 >>No joke my company just had a chili cook off. I randomly selected a crock pot, and I saw that it has diced carrots. I work in Dallas FYI.


Open Window.

Declare : "We Have a Winner!"

Throw Crockpot Out Window.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 01:49 PM (8bEU0)

129 How is this legal? Can somebody explain this to me and other morons and Ettes?

Thanks.

Posted by: Monk at December 15, 2017 01:50 PM (g4lFK)

130 "79 How has she not been disbarred?"

She hasn't actually violated any state bar regulations. Sad but true. She's not even paying these people herself, she just offered to facilitate the transfer of assistance from a generous donor. No broken rules there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 01:41 PM (k1TUh)


And that's one of the reasons people have so little faith in, or respect for, the courts. They are jokes and the behavior of officers of the court is worse than any layman.

Lawyers have their own little morality which allows things that a 5 year old knows are wrong.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 01:50 PM (8gDQu)

131 Have you, or a loved one, been mish-grabbed by the President of the United States? If so, you could be entitled to a substantial cash award. Call now.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 15, 2017 01:50 PM (p+Wdc)

132 125
Lisa Bloom, along with her horrid mother, need to be stripped and flogged.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 01:48 PM (ujg0T)


Ughh, they are the worst,

Posted by: Shark Draggers at December 15, 2017 01:50 PM (ymnmz)

133 Gloria Allred: "I am shocked, shocked to find out that payments from lefty Democrats and actual campaigns have been funneled to accusers of Republican candidates in return for their 'stories' of harassment!"

Lefty DNC staffer: "Your payment Ms. Allred"

Allred: "Thank you very much"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME

Posted by: Captain "MSM" Renault at December 15, 2017 01:50 PM (Fb9aZ)

134 Lisa Bloom, along with her horrid mother, need to be stripped and flogged.
================

I haven't had an offer like that in decades!

Can I wear a garter or does it ALL have to come off?

Posted by: Chronically Untouched Gloria at December 15, 2017 01:50 PM (vg8iE)

135 In the previous thread there was a great deal of sympathy for sharks.

Where is that sympathy for struggling lawyers? They're people too! Just trying to survive in a cruel environment.

Posted by: Gordon Henry at December 15, 2017 01:51 PM (KdDCu)

136 24 I heard the one woman who talked about Trump going backstage and she was naked under her robe. Dear lord it's getting out of hand.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 01:27 PM (dKiJG)


Was she one of those gals who prance on stage in skimpy bathing suits to an audience of millions?

I would think they have a door 'person' let them know they have a visitor coming in and to coverup.

Still, what a hypocrite.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 01:51 PM (Eu5eZ)

137 Is there anything on the left that doesn't involve shaking someone else down for cash?

Posted by: DocJ at December 15, 2017 01:51 PM (NYS7S)

138 >>She hasn't actually violated any state bar regulations. Sad but true.
She's not even paying these people herself, she just offered to
facilitate the transfer of assistance from a generous donor. No broken
rules there.


What about taking a cut of a tabloid payoff for the story?
Can she just say this is akin to doing pro bono work up from on condition of a cut of the settlement?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 01:52 PM (W+vEI)

139 The other woman complained that Trump asked for her Phone number, and she felt she had to give it to him since he was the Boss
===========

Wait, if he was her boss, wouldn't he have access to all her personal info, like her phone number?

Posted by: josephistan at December 15, 2017 01:52 PM (7HtZB)

140 And that's one of the reasons people have so little faith in, or respect for, the courts. They are jokes and the behavior of officers of the court is worse than any layman.

Lawyers have their own little morality which allows things that a 5 year old knows are wrong.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair

This includes cops.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 15, 2017 01:52 PM (326rv)

141 No joke my company just had a chili cook off. I randomly selected a crock pot, and I saw that it has diced carrots. I work in Dallas FYI.
Posted by: BourbonChicken



Ixnay on my carrotsnay!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 01:53 PM (GjTLE)

142 TRUMP LOOKS AT EVERY WOMAN WHEN SHE'S NAKED under her clothes!!!!!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 15, 2017 01:53 PM (oVJmc)

143 >> Is there anything on the left that doesn't involve shaking someone else down for cash?


The Graft Must Flow.

Posted by: Hillary Harkonnen-Clinton at December 15, 2017 01:53 PM (8bEU0)

144
You get paid more for being an Expert Witness?

Posted by: Gordon Henry at December 15, 2017 01:46 PM (KdDCu)

If you are an expert witness, you can set your fee. The person wanting your testimony can hire you or not. At least it used to be that way. I worked with an appraiser who charged $100 an hour to testify as an expert witness in the '90's. Some of the cases involved real estate valued around $20 million.

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 01:53 PM (3myMJ)

145 Those are expensive whores.

Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 01:53 PM (HgMAr)

146 Getting paid to libel, slander, false allegations, and destroy somebody. How is this legal?

Posted by: Monk at December 15, 2017 01:53 PM (g4lFK)

147 "So you can get paid for being a witness?

You get paid more for being an Expert Witness?"

Every "Expert Witness" you see in any lawsuit ever is guaranteed to have been well paid by the side calling him. That's why some people find second careers as expert witnesses in their fields.

And remember that whenever you see an "Expert Witnesses" testimony - it's a strictly pay to play game.
And that's why some big trials devolve into "dueling expert witness" battles, where each side tries to hire a better expert than the other side, and both contradict each other completely.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 01:54 PM (k1TUh)

148 That's an interesting story ma'am. Its worth only $10K . A story that ius worth $100K sounds more like this. Do you have a story that is more like this, in your words?

Oh Wow! Awesome! Now let me help you package that up in such a way as to insulate you from prosecutions while doing maximum damage to a political opponent.
Posted by: Lisa Bloom at December 15, 2017 01:31 PM (ymnmz)


Ok, you mention in passing you went on a lunch date once and repeat endlessly that you felt like you were violently ass raped over hours. On, and cry.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 01:54 PM (Eu5eZ)

149 Is there anything on the left that doesn't involve shaking someone else down for cash?

I was going to say killing babies, but PP does get tax dollars.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 15, 2017 01:54 PM (p+Wdc)

150 142
TRUMP LOOKS AT EVERY WOMAN WHEN SHE'S NAKED under her clothes!!!!!


Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 15, 2017 01:53 PM (oVJmc)

Trump shook my hand once. You know what my hand is connected to.......my naked no no spot.
I was so violated

Posted by: Lefty Retard at December 15, 2017 01:55 PM (ymnmz)

151 "146 Getting paid to libel, slander, false allegations, and destroy somebody. How is this legal?"

Welcome to the American Justice System!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 01:55 PM (k1TUh)

152 Ok, you mention in passing you went on a lunch date once and repeat endlessly that you felt like you were violently ass raped over hours. On, and cry.
============

You owe me a new monitor. And now everyone is looking at me.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at December 15, 2017 01:55 PM (vg8iE)

153 121

Oh ho, a Moron. Along with our quality brochure of discounts for fine Pattaya eatablishments, could we interest you in our customer loyalty program? 75 visits gets you free airfare, and that is a pretty conservative estimate for your demographic's use of our services.

Posted by: Thai One On Teen and Donkey Brothel, Inc. at December 15, 2017 01:55 PM (jRA31)

154 How is this legal? Can somebody explain this to me and other morons and Ettes?

Thanks.

Posted by: Monk at December 15, 2017 01:50 PM (g4lFK)
.............

They're Democrats?

Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 01:55 PM (HgMAr)

155 She hasn't actually violated any state bar regulations. Sad but true. She's not even paying these people herself, she just offered to facilitate the transfer of assistance from a generous donor. No broken rules there.



What state is she licensed in? What state is she trying to facilitate in? Has she ever given lawyerly advice in a state she isn't licensed in?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 01:55 PM (GjTLE)

156 Lawyers write the laws so.....

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 01:55 PM (LiyEm)

157
Is there anything on the left that doesn't involve shaking someone else down for cash?

Posted by: DocJ at December 15, 2017 01:51 PM (NYS7S)


It's not a shakedown, it's reparations.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 15, 2017 01:55 PM (6VHKP)

158 146 Getting paid to libel, slander, false allegations, and destroy somebody. How is this legal?

Who controls...
- the courts
- the media
- the "schools" of "law"
- academia
- Hollyweird, and by extension, the culture

You'll notice not many on the right try to pull this sort of crap. There's a reason for that and it's not because we have morals and standards and they don't (though that's true).

Posted by: DocJ at December 15, 2017 01:56 PM (NYS7S)

159 Gloria Allred is representing Trump's My Pillow which is claiming sexual abuse.

Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 01:57 PM (HgMAr)

160 154 How is this legal? Can somebody explain this to me and other morons and Ettes?

Posted by: Monk at December 15, 2017 01:50 PM (g4lFK)

They're Democrats?
Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 01:55 PM (HgMAr)

This guy gets it.

Posted by: Random Hawaii Judge #7 at December 15, 2017 01:58 PM (KCgrJ)

161 "Show us on the doll where Lisa Bloom touched you to show you where to show us on the doll that Donald touched you."

Posted by: Zod at December 15, 2017 01:58 PM (Bdeb0)

162 The lovely Trish Regan is not on this hour, and now it's apparently a sausage-fest with that British Ashley guy.

At least Nicole is still around to give market updates.....lol.


Posted by: Anchorbabe fashion cop at December 15, 2017 01:58 PM (8iiMU)

163 158
146 Getting paid to libel, slander, false allegations, and destroy somebody. How is this legal?

Who controls...
- the courts
- the media
- the "schools" of "law"
- academia
- Hollyweird, and by extension, the culture

You'll
notice not many on the right try to pull this sort of crap. There's a
reason for that and it's not because we have morals and standards and
they don't (though that's true).


Posted by: DocJ at December 15, 2017 01:56 PM (NYS7S)

Who's the chump?
What happens when the chump gets tired of the game as constructed?


Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 15, 2017 01:58 PM (ymnmz)

164 159 He....he...straddles me...naked....
Trump's My Pillow

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 01:59 PM (LiyEm)

165 159 Gloria Allred is representing Trump's My Pillow which is claiming sexual abuse.
Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 01:57 PM (HgMAr)

He drooled on me! I'm scarred for life!

Posted by: The Donald's MyPillow at December 15, 2017 01:59 PM (RD7QR)

166 This was just one lawyer and her offers were declined, which will be the line the left will push.

But ---- but there will not be just one, there will not be all offers were declined, it will not have happened just for one election race, it will not be just offers for stories about sex. This is an MO. Just like Creamer was an MO.

Posted by: geoffb at December 15, 2017 01:59 PM (zOpu5)

167 Who's the chump?
What happens when the chump gets tired of the game as constructed?

We do crazy things like Vote for Trump.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 01:59 PM (k1TUh)

168 147
"So you can get paid for being a witness?



You get paid more for being an Expert Witness?"



Every "Expert Witness" you see in any lawsuit ever is guaranteed to
have been well paid by the side calling him. That's why some people
find second careers as expert witnesses in their fields.



And remember that whenever you see an "Expert Witnesses" testimony - it's a strictly pay to play game.

And that's why some big trials devolve into "dueling expert witness"
battles, where each side tries to hire a better expert than the other
side, and both contradict each other completely.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 01:54 PM (k1TUh)

I was involved with a case where the Other side hired a Expert Witness who said he was a speech therapist, somebody looking at his resume asked why he had a BA and not a BS, well found out the that the Expert was a Drama student and never took any classes on being a therapist.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 02:00 PM (dKiJG)

169 A good meme now would be to photoshop dollar amounts on the pictures of Trump's accusers.

Bathrobe gal $20,000

Phone number gal $10,000...

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 15, 2017 02:00 PM (aVYsC)

170 For $750K, I will admit to just about anything. Did I give Donald T a handy? Give me my check first, and let's make sure it doesn't bounce.... you bet I did! Said it was the best he ever had! Really soft!!

Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2017 02:00 PM (s810d)

171 "Every "Expert Witness" you see in any lawsuit ever is guaranteed to have been well paid by the side calling him. That's why some people find second careers as expert witnesses in their fields."


At least in the Federal courts where I mostly practice, the expert compensation rate is disclosed to the other side. I have seen judges get very annoyed at lawyers that try to make an issue of an expert getting paid as in "We all know they get paid, stop wasting my time."

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 02:00 PM (OD2ni)

172 Is this anything to do with the secret tape thing Bill O'Reilly was talking about a couple of days ago?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 15, 2017 02:01 PM (jVm2N)

173 Moniot was preparing to buy an insurance policy of her own, knowing she would age out of her parents' plan when she turned 26 in October. She asked her parents for help and advice. But they, too, ran into trouble trying to decipher which policy would work best for their daughter. The family had relied on her father's employer-sponsored plan through his work as an architect for years, so no one had spent much time sifting through policies.


That poor child. How can anyone expect someone so young to make a complicated decision such as what health insurance plan to buy?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 15, 2017 02:01 PM (BoMuO)

174 124 The other woman complained that Trump asked for her Phone number, and she felt she had to give it to him since he was the Boss
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio



Wasn't that so he could pass the number on to a talent scout?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 01:47 PM (GjTLE)



Wouldn't that be fitting?

"OMG He asked me for my number and I felt I had to give it to him. It was so uncomfortable, I felt violated!"

"And what came of that?"

"An agent called me and offered me a great gig that paid really well. I never felt so used!"

Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 02:01 PM (cAnNx)

175 So this is interesting. The FBI has a twitter account for FBI documents called FBI Records Vault.

They just tweeted out a link to the internal FBI document regarding the tarmac meeting on June 27, 2016 between Bubba and Loretta Lynch.

Why?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 02:01 PM (/tuJf)

176 >>They just tweeted out a link to the internal FBI document regarding the
tarmac meeting on June 27, 2016 between Bubba and Loretta Lynch.



Why?

- - - -

Hmm, odd.
I know that Judicial Watch recently published some of these docs, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 02:02 PM (W+vEI)

177 "I was involved with a case where the Other side hired a Expert Witness who said he was a speech therapist, somebody looking at his resume asked why he had a BA and not a BS, well found out the that the Expert was a Drama student and never took any classes on being a therapist. "

Heh heh - that's the kind of case that leaves one lawyer smiling big all week long, and the other one sitting with his face in his hands.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 02:02 PM (k1TUh)

178
175 So this is interesting. The FBI has a twitter account for FBI documents called FBI Records Vault.

They just tweeted out a link to the internal FBI document regarding the tarmac meeting on June 27, 2016 between Bubba and Loretta Lynch.

Why?
------------------
Maybe it was Comey who tipped the press about the meet up?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 02:02 PM (YV+SU)

179 Who's the chump? What happens when the chump gets tired of the game as constructed?

Well, the old saying goes that when you look around the room and don't know who The Mark is, you're it. I think a whole lot of people have figured out they're The Mark in this society. Hence, #HowYouGotTrump

And because almost nothing has changed the left's behavior, #YouGetMoreTrump

Posted by: DocJ at December 15, 2017 02:02 PM (NYS7S)

180 Trump will not sue. He would not want to open himself up to deposition.

Posted by: Concerned Peoples Front at December 15, 2017 02:03 PM (2X7pN)

181 I only went to Lorretta's plane on the tarmac hoping to get a BJ...
Bill Clinton

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 02:03 PM (LiyEm)

182 I hope she enjoyed being a lawyer.

Posted by: Rdbrewer at December 15, 2017 02:03 PM (EsrQL)

183


White House toilet: Trump pulls out his penis right in front of me several times a day!!! And don't even get me started on when he places his naked ass on me. I feel soooooo violated!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 02:03 PM (493sH)

184 180. Barron will be our Iron Broom.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 02:03 PM (fA1SL)

185 If someone wants to offer me &760.000 I will consider making up a story about Donald Trump harassing me. i can cry on cue and dab fake tears with a handkerchief and produce a picture of myself-when younger when Ii was not "hot" exactly -but attractive, I modestly say. If the college yearbook was too long ago I can produce a picture of attractive smiling Fenelon when I was first in the pastorate in my 20's..

Just kidding folks. Even though this penurious pastor could use some extra money right now I do not want to make up a story about Donald Trump since i voted for him :^) and that would be a very bad thing to do

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 15, 2017 02:03 PM (8+Ozj)

186 Gloria Allred giving birth to Lisa Bloom

https://tinyurl.com/ya9ahjt9

Posted by: Hepcat at December 15, 2017 02:04 PM (5b+Sr)

187 Jack did you read the linked document?


Judicial Watch compelled some release of these things recently, I thought. But - sit down - heavily redacted. At least I think so. Unlike you I'm being lazy and trying to just keep up on milestone events and waiting for real action, smoking guns, and smoking ruins.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 15, 2017 02:04 PM (QX0Xt)

188 So the accusers were just haggling over price?

Posted by: Zombie Winston Churchill at December 15, 2017 02:04 PM (Dp6qK)

189 Show us on the doll where Lisa Bloom touched you to show you where to show us on the doll that Donald touched you."
Posted by: Zod

Possible threadwinner.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 15, 2017 02:04 PM (326rv)

190 Well, the old saying goes that when you look around the room and don't know who The Mark is, you're it. I think a whole lot of people have figured out they're The Mark in this society. Hence, #HowYouGotTrump

And because almost nothing has changed the left's behavior, #YouGetMoreTrump
Posted by: DocJ at December 15, 2017 02:02 PM (NYS7S)



I am now running into a lot of younger acquaintences in my life, as co-workers, students, and yes, even dates.

When they tell me of another outrage or another situation where they felt they were "had", I now always reply, "Well, who did you vote for?"

They are starting to get it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 02:05 PM (ujg0T)

191 How did this stuff get disclosed? The Hill article states that The Hill has seen e-mails and contracts, but doesn't say how they got them. And Lisa Bloom is answering their questions instead of citing attorney-client privilege. Why?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 15, 2017 02:05 PM (jVm2N)

192 Yeah, I'll screw people for money but I won't fuck for it. That's what makes me a lawyer and not a whore.
At least that's what I tell myself.

Posted by: Lisa Bloom at December 15, 2017 02:05 PM (O5Q3r)

193 I only went to Lorretta's plane on the tarmac hoping to get a BJ...
Bill Clinton
.........

She looks like a biter, but that never stopped you before.

Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 02:05 PM (HgMAr)

194 Posted by: BurtTC at December 15, 2017 02:00 PM (s810d)

You're man, correct?. This is the season now of "All women have been harassed". It would not work unless Trump was gay and so were you.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 15, 2017 02:05 PM (8+Ozj)

195 Just kidding folks. Even though this penurious pastor could use some extra money right now I do not want to make up a story about Donald Trump since i voted for him :^) and that would be a very bad thing to do

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 15, 2017 02:03 PM (8+Ozj)



Yeah I recall there being a book somewhere about being told not to bear false witness. You really should read it sometime if you haven't had the chance

Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 02:06 PM (cAnNx)

196 175
So this is interesting. The FBI has a twitter account for FBI documents called FBI Records Vault.



They just tweeted out a link to the internal FBI document regarding
the tarmac meeting on June 27, 2016 between Bubba and Loretta Lynch.



Why?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 02:01 PM (/tuJf)


To say that they didn't write anything down?
"This Tweet left intentionally blank?"


Posted by: Lisa Bloom at December 15, 2017 02:06 PM (ymnmz)

197
So the accusers were just haggling over price?

Posted by: Zombie Winston Churchill at December 15, 2017 02:04 PM (Dp6qK)


You know who else haggles over price?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:06 PM (ptqGC)

198 Is there any assault by the Left currently on the table that has not been exposed as an utter sham?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at December 15, 2017 02:06 PM (oVJmc)

199 All the (bought and scripted) news that's (not really) fit to print.

Well the golden shower stories cost like $12M, though that was listed as legal fees. Lawyer got some, Fusion, reporters, Nellie Ohr ... all that money for a trashy political/romance novel.

What a bizarre time to be alive ... but convictions of the real crimes can still make America great again.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2017 02:07 PM (otAqJ)

200 And that's why some big trials devolve into "dueling expert witness" battles, where each side tries to hire a better expert than the other side, and both contradict each other completely.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 01:54 PM (k1TUh)


========

Imagine if Al Gore paid someone (like a farmer who experienced a flood) to come forward as a victim of climate change and sue an oil company. Michael Mann could be the "expert witness". Wouldn't surprise me if someone like Steyer paid him to go after Steyn. Must be nice having all these "donors".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 15, 2017 02:07 PM (/qEW2)

201 So this is interesting. The FBI has a twitter account for FBI documents called FBI Records Vault.

They just tweeted out a link to the internal FBI document regarding the tarmac meeting on June 27, 2016 between Bubba and Loretta Lynch.

Why?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 02:01 PM (/tuJf)


It depends on what's in the document. I can't imagine that it contains anything damning to anyone. But, I'd like to see it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 02:07 PM (8gDQu)

202 >>Judicial Watch compelled some release of these things recently, I thought. But - sit down - heavily redacted. At least I think so. Unlike you I'm being lazy and trying to just keep up on milestone events and waiting for real action, smoking guns, and smoking ruins.

They've been out for a while and I have read them. They don't say much, heavily redacted and what is there is mostly a discussion of how to respond and how to hunt down the local person who tipped off reporters of the meeting and go after them. Funny that.

My interest is why are they being pushed out now from the FBI? I don't believe in coincidences regarding this investigation.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 02:07 PM (/tuJf)

203 Lisa Bloom is Gloria Allred's daughter, right?

Who is the unfortunate husband/parental unit?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:08 PM (ptqGC)

204 "Wouldn't surprise me if someone like Steyer paid him to go after Steyn. Must be nice having all these "donors".
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear "


It was certainly nice for Hulk Hogan. And the world is a better place without Gawker.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 02:08 PM (OD2ni)

205 So the accusers were just haggling over price?

Posted by: Zombie Winston Churchill at December 15, 2017 02:04 PM (Dp6qK)

You know who else haggles over price?

Posted by: Jane D'oh


Damn sure ain't hookers. They tell you upfront.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 02:09 PM (GjTLE)

206 Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 02:06 PM (cAnNx)

You would deprive me of my chance to give an Oscar worthy performance on how Trump ruined my life because he saw me when I was wearing a bathrobe under which Ii was naked, or how he kissed me when i turned when he was aiming for my Face cheek ?!!!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 15, 2017 02:09 PM (8+Ozj)

207 186 Gloria Allred giving birth to Lisa Bloom

https://tinyurl.com/ya9ahjt9
Posted by: Hepcat at December 15, 2017 02:04 PM (5b+Sr)



In 1974, there was a movie called "It's Alive!", a horror film where a mother gives birth to a monster that proceeds to kill the hospital staff and various other Los Angelenos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_Alive_(1974_film)

Interesting fact: A baby born in 1974 would likely have been 18 at the time of the 1992 riots.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 02:09 PM (ujg0T)

208 >>184 180. Barron will be our Iron Broom.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 02:03 PM (fA1SL)

"Madame First Lady, we thought you should know that we found Barron building a scaffold with his Erector Set."
"Heirs will be heirs."
"Yes ma'am, but there were Star Wars action figures, hanging from gibbets. *Hundreds* of them."
"Thank you. When he's completed his homework, please inform him that it's lunchtime."

Posted by: Zod at December 15, 2017 02:09 PM (Bdeb0)

209 This thread reminded me of a (now, not at the time) humorous case he was involved in as a city attorney; he was tasked with defending a local official who was charged with soliciting a 17 year old female intern, who claimed he had offered to pay her for sex.

He told me he worked with this guy for weeks, getting his testimony straight, the guy swore up and down he never offered to pay her for sex, she was making it up. So he built his whole case on that basis, and on the fact that the client promised himself nothing else had happened at all. (It's a lawsuit against the city for damages)

So they go into Court, and he's on the witness stand, and the opposing attorney asks him "did you offer to pay this girl to have sex with you?" And he says "oh no, no, I never did, that's a lie." And then he asks "Well did you offer to buy her a brand new Camaro if she had sex with you?" and he says "Oh, well yeah, I did that, but I don't really think that's the same thing as paying her, is it?"

My buddy, trying to defend him, said he just put his face down on the table and immediately moved to stop the trial and start settlement negotiations, basically on any terms she asked for.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 02:10 PM (k1TUh)

210 Lisa Bloom is Gloria Allred's daughter, right?

Who is the unfortunate husband/parental unit?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:08 PM (ptqGC)
............

Poor sod must have been just released from 10 years in prison to be that hard up.

Posted by: wth at December 15, 2017 02:10 PM (HgMAr)

211 Do these whores have names?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:10 PM (ptqGC)

212 Remember how cute the left thought Carville's dragging a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park comment was?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:11 PM (ptqGC)

213 Oh look Katie Steinle's murder is looking to get the only thing he was found guilty of; felony possession of a firearm, overturned. Hmmm I wonder what will happen. I mean not like California would refuse to turn him over to the feds while that goes on right? And they surely wouldn't overturn that conviction and then release him denying the feds then as well right?

Surely not.

Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 02:11 PM (cAnNx)

214 Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 02:10 PM (k1TUh)

Ever get the feeling that people are just not that smart?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 15, 2017 02:12 PM (ycWCI)

215 Democrat's dilemma: With just so much money to go around, should we pay people to make accusations against Republicans, or should we use the money to keep victims of Democrats silent?

George Soros: No problem. I'll fund both.

Posted by: Hepcat at December 15, 2017 02:12 PM (5b+Sr)

216 This whore's mama probably paid Moore's accusers too. The election should be declared invalid do to DNC collusion in this scheme

________________________

I would like to see a recount - I dont have a link but there were arrests for bussingin out of state voters for this.
Hell they had 2 of these morons on TV celebrating the victory.

Posted by: fox at December 15, 2017 02:12 PM (hdFyL)

217 How enterprising

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 02:12 PM (QC/4S)

218 FBI Records Vault? InterestinZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: J. Sessions at December 15, 2017 02:13 PM (r9UYA)

219 208. Melania as Dowager Empress. Perfect. All her life has been preparation for the task of forging this terrifying instrument of justice.

* adds joss to Melania altar *

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 02:13 PM (fA1SL)

220 Do these whores have names?
Posted by: Jane D'oh



Misti, Crystal, Bambi, Raelynn

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 02:13 PM (GjTLE)

221 Ahem,

I am an attorney. It is, per se, unethical to offer large cash payments, or arrange cash payments through others to clients, or potential clients, in return for their bringing or threatening to bring lawsuits. You can pay or advance court costs for the cost of the ACTUAL ltigation file. But arranging cash payments to the clients, directly, to goad them into bringing a suit (even if their actually is one?)? Nope. Uh uh. Nope. And to do so with the intent of interfering with a national election to the highest office in the land? Th ethics violations are off the charts. Sorry, you lose your license - sister. Rule 1.8 (e) of the ABA rules of ethics ( which CA uses a version of as I recall) specifically prohibit it It also prohibits you form entering into a business/contract with your client. So entering onto a contract where she takes an interest in the story
that is being sold to tabloids is also, per se, an ethics violation.

Someone needs to lodge a complaint and make sure it gets pushed to the hilt. She should be disbarred immediately pour encourager les autres ( but as its CA they probably will do nothing). But in a real state this would be a very brief investigation and then a summary disbarrment - all likely done and dusted within 3 to 6 months.

Posted by: Publius Redux at December 15, 2017 02:13 PM (Fb9aZ)

222 My interest is why are they being pushed out now from the FBI? I don't believe in coincidences regarding this investigation.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 02:07 PM (/tuJf)


Russians arranged the meeting by separately telling both to meet them to get info on Trump collusion with them.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 15, 2017 02:14 PM (Eu5eZ)

223 How is what Lisa Bloom does any different than dragging sharks behind a pickup truck?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 02:14 PM (YV+SU)

224 >>I was wearing a bathrobe under which Ii was naked, or how he kissed me when i turned when he was aiming for my Face cheek ?!!!!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 15, 2017 02:09 PM (8+Ozj)

You will send your newsletter to Zod, cleric.

Posted by: Zod at December 15, 2017 02:14 PM (Bdeb0)

225 FBI Records Vault? InterestinZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: J. Sessions at December 15, 2017 02:13 PM (r9UYA)


But the FBI is using "vault" as a verb, there ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 02:14 PM (8gDQu)

226 Oh look Katie Steinle's murder is looking to get the only thing he was found guilty of; felony possession of a firearm, overturned. Hmmm I wonder what will happen. I mean not like California would refuse to turn him over to the feds while that goes on right? And they surely wouldn't overturn that conviction and then release him denying the feds then as well right?

Surely not.

Posted by: buzzion at December 15, 2017 02:11 PM (cAnNx)



Oh please let him out and then I hope the rotten bastard ends up like Joe Pesci at the end of Casino

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 02:14 PM (493sH)

227 220 Tanqueray

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 02:14 PM (LiyEm)

228 One thing the FBI documents do contain is a copy of an interview that Lynch gave to Jonathan Capehart, an Obama shill who wrote for the WaPo. In it she stated that to prevent any hint of bias she would basically take the recommendation of the FBI on the Hillary email scandal as her direction on whether to prosecute or not.

Sort of points right back to the Comey memo.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 02:14 PM (/tuJf)

229 White House toilet: Trump pulls out his penis right in front of me several times a day!!! And don't even get me started on when he places his naked ass on me. I feel soooooo violated!!!
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 15, 2017 02:03 PM (493sH)

12 cans of Diet Coke ensures many repeat visits to the toilet....

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 02:15 PM (7uYFy)

230 220 Do these whores have names?
Posted by: Jane D'oh



Misti, Crystal, Bambi, Raelynn
---------------
You forgot Star.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 02:15 PM (YV+SU)

231 Posted by: Hepcat at December 15, 2017 02:12 PM (5b+Sr)

And we won't cover any of the payments.

Posted by: The MSM at December 15, 2017 02:15 PM (gfU6H)

232 203 Lisa Bloom is Gloria Allred's daughter, right?

Who is the unfortunate husband/parental unit?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:08 PM (ptqGC)


https://tinyurl.com/y93exrku

Posted by: Hepcat at December 15, 2017 02:15 PM (5b+Sr)

233 Do these whores have names?
Posted by: Jane D'oh



Misti, Crystal, Bambi, Raelynn
---------------
You forgot Star.
Posted by: Puddin Head


She was busy.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 02:16 PM (GjTLE)

234 You really have to marvel at the balls-out attempt by Hillary and co.to steal the election.

Sure, we knew she was doing a lot, but discovering the ugly details is still enlightening. Each week I'm a little more amazed Trump was able to overcome this massive field of opponents all marching to Hillary's orders - the MSM, Allred, Fusion, FBI, DoJ, entertainment industry...


Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 02:16 PM (W+vEI)

235 197


So the accusers were just haggling over price?



Posted by: Zombie Winston Churchill at December 15, 2017 02:04 PM (Dp6qK)

You know who else haggles over price?




Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:06 PM (ptqGC)



Hitmen?


Interesting backstory on the quote.


https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/03/07/haggling/

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 15, 2017 02:16 PM (Dp6qK)

236 Do these whores have names?

Posted by: Jane D'oh



Misti, Crystal, Bambi, Raelynn

---------------

You forgot Star.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 02:15 PM (YV+SU)


Mika.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:16 PM (ptqGC)

237 Posted by: Zod at December 15, 2017 02:14 PM (Bdeb0)

So you want the salacious- if fake-testimony of sexual harassment by Donald Trump. You mean the newsletter that contains that? Please pay $100.00 in advance for your subscription now.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 15, 2017 02:17 PM (8+Ozj)

238 @221 dual agency - she is a lawyer AND a liaison

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 02:17 PM (QC/4S)

239 One thing the FBI documents do contain is a copy of an interview that Lynch gave to Jonathan Capehart, an Obama shill who wrote for the WaPo. In it she stated that to prevent any hint of bias she would basically take the recommendation of the FBI on the Hillary email scandal as her direction on whether to prosecute or not.

That's not news. SHe said that on live TV. We discussed that very point, here, hundreds of times, if not thousands, when we were assessing the ridiculous COmey cover-up.

Sort of points right back to the Comey memo.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 02:14 PM (/tuJf)


Meh. Justice wasn't bound, in any way, to taking Comey's recommendation. That was just bukake theater, as our friend BSG would say.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 02:17 PM (8gDQu)

240 103 99 What's the title to search for the cookbook, please?
Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 01:44 PM (3myMJ)

Permalink up in the sidebar
Posted by: josephistan at December 15, 2017 01:44 PM (7HtZB)


That's a funny name for a cookbook.

Posted by: rickl at December 15, 2017 02:17 PM (xjiRE)

241 I'm naked under my jeans and cartigan.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 15, 2017 02:18 PM (j3x1A)

242 221
Ahem,

I am an attorney. It is, per se, unethical to offer large
cash payments, or arrange cash payments through others to clients, or
potential clients, in return for their bringing or threatening to bring
lawsuits. You can pay or advance court costs for the cost of the ACTUAL
ltigation file. But arranging cash payments to the clients, directly, to
goad them into bringing a suit (even if their actually is one?)? Nope.
Uh uh. Nope. And to do so with the intent of interfering with a national
election to the highest office in the land? Th ethics violations are
off the charts. Sorry, you lose your license - sister. Rule 1.8 (e) of
the ABA rules of ethics ( which CA uses a version of as I recall)
specifically prohibit it It also prohibits you form entering into a
business/contract with your client. So entering onto a contract where
she takes an interest in the story

that is being sold to tabloids is also, per se, an ethics violation.

Someone
needs to lodge a complaint and make sure it gets pushed to the hilt.
She should be disbarred immediately pour encourager les autres ( but as
its CA they probably will do nothing). But in a real state this would be
a very brief investigation and then a summary disbarrment - all likely
done and dusted within 3 to 6 months.


Posted by: Publius Redux at December 15, 2017 02:13 PM (Fb9aZ)

Not for democrat, right? Just icky repukelicans, right?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at December 15, 2017 02:18 PM (ymnmz)

243 soon there will be late night commercials like the ones for victims of asbestos.

"Have you ever had your butt touched by a politician, and are now jobless or angry or .... hell, anything. Call us ... we're on your side."

Or the spammers ... "Make $750,000 working part time ... ask me how" Gloria

Posted by: illiniwek at December 15, 2017 02:18 PM (otAqJ)

244 241 I'm naked under my jeans and cartigan.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 15, 2017 02:18 PM (j3x1A)

Go on...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2017 02:18 PM (xJa6I)

245 >> I recall there being a book somewhere about being told not to bear false witness.


The Hobbitt - And Beorn is really a Bear.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 02:18 PM (8bEU0)

246 Lisa Bloom is Gloria Allred's daughter, right?

Who is the unfortunate husband/parental unit?


I WAS DRUNK!!!

Posted by: Satan at December 15, 2017 02:19 PM (oVJmc)

247 234 You really have to marvel at the balls-out attempt by Hillary and co.to steal the election.

Sure, we knew she was doing a lot, but discovering the ugly details is still enlightening. Each week I'm a little more amazed Trump was able to overcome this massive field of opponents all marching to Hillary's orders - the MSM, Allred, Fusion, FBI, DoJ, entertainment industry...


Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 02:16 PM (W+vEI)

It also gives you a sense of (A) How unpleasant Hillary was that even all this didn't help and (2) how big a bullet we dodged.

Posted by: The Donald's MyPillow at December 15, 2017 02:19 PM (RD7QR)

248 Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 15, 2017 02:18 PM (j3x1A)

Make up a story about Donald Trump now and receive your cash reward and for a small fee I will teach you to cry on cue. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 15, 2017 02:19 PM (8+Ozj)

249 I recall there being a book somewhere about being told not to bear false witness.

Not just a book - it made the Top Ten list.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 02:19 PM (8gDQu)

250 Over at Instapundit, anti-trust is back.
We're going to need anti-trust lawyers.

Posted by: Gordon Henry at December 15, 2017 02:20 PM (KdDCu)

251 207
186 Gloria Allred giving birth to Lisa Bloom



https://tinyurl.com/ya9ahjt9

Posted by: Hepcat at December 15, 2017 02:04 PM (5b+Sr)




In 1974, there was a movie called "It's Alive!", a horror film where
a mother gives birth to a monster that proceeds to kill the hospital
staff and various other Los Angelenos.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_Alive_(1974_film)



Interesting fact: A baby born in 1974 would likely have been 18 at the time of the 1992 riots.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 15, 2017 02:09 PM (ujg0T)

LOL my Dad and Mom took me to this movie when i was 3, I freaked out when the milkman was killed. I started to scream my head off, my took me to the lobby and he realized that he made a big mistake, I still don't understand why they took me and my bothers to this movie.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 15, 2017 02:20 PM (dKiJG)

252 223
How is what Lisa Bloom does any different than dragging sharks behind a pickup truck?

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 15, 2017 02:14 PM (YV+SU)


Well for one, we have standards.

Posted by: Shark Draggers at December 15, 2017 02:20 PM (ymnmz)

253 That's not fair. I accused Trump of diddling me and I didn't get nothin'.

Fuck you, Lisa Bloom.

Posted by: Hepcat at December 15, 2017 02:20 PM (5b+Sr)

254 I guessed last year that one or more of these accusers could be set up by Trump or Trump people. This detail in the reporting with actual text messages and such printed word for word tells me that, yes, I think I was right.

One that has always seemed like a set up was Summer Zervos. A former contestant on Trump's show who, as a cousin stated in 2016, used to praise Trump right left.

So, these lefty liars are getting exactly what they deserve...they've been PLAYED and OUTED. I'm sure this is not the end of it. O'Reilly made mention of an audio tape with similar details on it that Trump has in his possession.

Now what do you all think about hating on Moore and believing these accusers? Some of you on here were ruthless. You should be ashamed. After this report, any accuser that has come forward with help from Bloom or Allred should be discounted immediately as a liar.

Moore got railroaded, and I'm disgusted by it.

Posted by: K-E at December 15, 2017 02:20 PM (dhFPP)

255 A flurry of late in the campaign allegations is the new normal.2018 will be fun.

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 02:20 PM (LiyEm)

256 134 Lisa Bloom, along with her horrid mother, need to be stripped and flogged.
================

I haven't had an offer like that in decades!

Can I wear a garter or does it ALL have to come off?

________________________

*Gag*

Posted by: fox at December 15, 2017 02:20 PM (hdFyL)

257 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 15, 2017 02:18 PM (xJa6I)

Chickens wearing cardigans and sweaters while they are naked underneath doesn't sound too sexy unless you're a rooster perhaps.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 15, 2017 02:21 PM (8+Ozj)

258 Funny that this story comes out when Franken is claiming his accusers were funded by the 'Right Wing.'

Posted by: Satan at December 15, 2017 02:21 PM (oVJmc)

259 So I guess if a heterosexual man attends a beauty pageant and his eyes linger on the scantily-clad beauties who are there to promote their scantily-clad beauty its eye-rape.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at December 15, 2017 02:21 PM (W/SyC)

260 If anyone is of a mind to, check out the headline at Drudge. The poor bastard that was harassed by that creature.

And then immediately under the headline, there's a link to a story about an entire family turning transgender.

Interesting times.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:21 PM (ptqGC)

261 I recall there being a book somewhere about being told not to bear false witness.

Not just a book - it made the Top Ten list.
==

she figured they were not neighbors, so....

Posted by: runner at December 15, 2017 02:21 PM (QC/4S)

262 Why can't I get grabbed ? I need the money.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at December 15, 2017 02:21 PM (nQHw/)

263 >>Meh. Justice wasn't bound, in any way, to taking Comey's recommendation. That was just bukake theater, as our friend BSG would say.

Of course they weren't bound. They never are. It is the job of the DOJ to decide whether to charge or not.

So when the Attorney General publicly says she will be bound by the recommendation of the FBI it's a bit of a change.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 02:22 PM (/tuJf)

264 >>And then immediately under the headline, there's a link to a story about an entire family turning transgender.


LOOK AT US!!!

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 02:22 PM (8bEU0)

265 How do you defend against "we were alone 30 years ago and he grabbed my ass"?

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 02:22 PM (LiyEm)

266 Arrgh,

Lisa Bloom be in fact the prune of Gloria Allred's loins.

Posted by: Yellow Beard at December 15, 2017 02:22 PM (ymnmz)

267 Disbar.

Exile.

Posted by: simplemind at December 15, 2017 02:22 PM (yXf40)

268 Funny that this story comes out when Franken is claiming his accusers were funded by the 'Right Wing.'
Posted by: Satan at December 15, 2017 02:21 PM (oVJmc)

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It's even funnier that shitbag dickhole is still there.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2017 02:23 PM (8XRCm)

269 So when the Attorney General publicly says she will be bound by the recommendation of the FBI it's a bit of a change.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 15, 2017 02:22 PM (/tuJf)


Absolutely. And we noted that in these threads many, many times when that was going on.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 02:23 PM (8gDQu)

270 Projection again from Franken,he know's that is how his party rolls...

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 02:23 PM (LiyEm)

271 Moore got railroaded, and I'm disgusted by it.
Posted by: K-E at December 15, 2017 02:20 PM (dhFPP)

To be fair, Moore did act guilty in that Hannity interview. And leaving the campaign trail at the end? Curious.
But I get what you are saying. They really wanted him out and if there really was no scandal, they WOULD have made it up.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 15, 2017 02:24 PM (7uYFy)

272 In truth it will have to be done,groping MAD .

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 02:24 PM (LiyEm)

273 Hey, back off! I'm a "women's rights" lawyer!!

Posted by: Lisa Bloom at December 15, 2017 02:24 PM (O5Q3r)

274 Someone needs to lodge a complaint and make sure it gets pushed to the hilt. She should be disbarred immediately pour encourager les autres ( but as its CA they probably will do nothing)."

As you say, she's licensed in CA. The Bar panel that heard the complaint would probably have on it some of the people who were giving her the money to give to these women.

CA has become so totally corrupt that even the old USSR looks like a paragon of virtue by comparison.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 15, 2017 02:24 PM (k1TUh)

275 last line in the transgender family story:

"KJZZ did not report the gender status of the couple's two dogs."

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at December 15, 2017 02:25 PM (hMwEB)

276 Lisa Bloom is married to some guy Braden Pollock that works at her firm and is much younger than she is. Also, Lisa's bio pic at her website looks to be from 1996.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 02:25 PM (OD2ni)

277 How do you defend against "we were alone 30 years ago and he grabbed my ass"?
Posted by: steevy



You go on offense.
"She found out I was worth $1.3 billion and she grabbed my junk and told me what she'd do for $xxx.xx"

It's not like there's never been a whore in the history of the world....

Posted by: rickb223 at December 15, 2017 02:25 PM (GjTLE)

278 I suppose the left now has a newfound respect for the voters of Alabama....

Posted by: steevy at December 15, 2017 02:26 PM (LiyEm)

279 This is truly disturbing news.

Not the paid off witnesses stuff. We all suspected that. But if Lisa Bloom is Gloria Allred's daughter, that means some man had sex with Gloria Allred.

Disturbing.

Posted by: Ted K. at December 15, 2017 02:26 PM (seSmy)

280 And once again, this proves Mike Pence is THE smartest guy in DC.
He and the guy UVA's Jackie attempted to woo with her tales of gang-rape need to give seminars.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 15, 2017 02:26 PM (W+vEI)

281 263 . . . So when the Attorney General publicly says she will be bound by the recommendation of the FBI it's a bit of a change.
Posted by: JackStraw
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You wanna talk bound, huh?

Posted by: Loretta Lynch's Shoes at December 15, 2017 02:26 PM (j+dfT)

282 >>219 208. Melania as Dowager Empress. Perfect. All her life has been preparation for the task of forging this terrifying instrument of justice. * adds joss to Melania altar *Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Booking Agent, Aero Pinochet at December 15, 2017 02:13 PM (fA1SL)

The liquidation of his siblings/rivals will be unfortunate but necessary once Genghis Don has his sky-burial. They understand this, and will go like sheep to the pyre.

Posted by: Zod at December 15, 2017 02:27 PM (Bdeb0)

283 >>You wanna talk bound


OK Horde:

Jennifer Tilly or Gina Gershon?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 02:27 PM (8bEU0)

284 >>>Who is the unfortunate husband/parental unit?<<<

Who was the husband. He was rendered and consumed like a male praying mantis or black widow spider.

Posted by: Fritz at December 15, 2017 02:27 PM (2Mnv1)

285 It's even funnier that shitbag dickhole is still there.


That's no way to talk about the leader of the US Senate.

Posted by: Under Fire at December 15, 2017 02:27 PM (r9UYA)

286

Things that make you go "hhhhhmmmmmmm"


Al Franken is still a US Senator and Britain is still a member of the European Union.

Posted by: Gordon Henry at December 15, 2017 02:27 PM (KdDCu)

287 OK Horde:

Jennifer Tilly or Gina Gershon?

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 02:27 PM (8bEU0)


What year?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 15, 2017 02:28 PM (8gDQu)

288 "To be fair, Moore did act guilty in that Hannity interview. And leaving the campaign trail at the end? Curious. "


When a Republican can't handle Hannity's softballs, you know its bad. I got the sense that some of the accusations were true from that.

Posted by: Benji Carver at December 15, 2017 02:28 PM (OD2ni)

289 Trump asked for a phone number, and got it.

Did he ever call it?

Posted by: Meremortal, no proseccutions, no peace! at December 15, 2017 02:28 PM (3myMJ)

290 Rush going on a mini-rant about the details now revealed via FBI texts re the outlandish corruption of DOJ/FBI in the Clinton crime wave cases.


But as welcome as these (and forthcoming) substantiating bits of evidence are, anyone with a basic understanding the Espionage Act and classified information handling procedures knew, from the very earliest reports, that Clinton and dozens of other people had committed crimes. Period.


Comey's bizarre and ridiculous performance in July was in reality an unwitting scream for help, from a collapsed federal law enforcement system that was attempting to "manage" a political process like some Third World secret police service.


By light years, the greatest scandal in American history (just bumping out the IRS scandal, which had recently grabbed that ring). And it continues - with the ridiculous Mueller "investigation", the defiance of Congress by the DOJ/FBI.


If there were a press, and an electorate worthy of the name, and a GOP worthy of its responsibilities and opportunities, 2018 would make the "Watergate mid-terms" of 1974 look like a routine election.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 15, 2017 02:28 PM (QX0Xt)

291 I suppose the left now has a newfound respect for the voters of Alabama....

Heh. Good one...

Posted by: tu3031 at December 15, 2017 02:28 PM (O5Q3r)

292 last line in the transgender family story:



"KJZZ did not report the gender status of the couple's two dogs."

Posted by: votermom pimping great books! at December 15, 2017 02:25 PM (hMwEB)


Those poor dogs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 15, 2017 02:29 PM (ptqGC)

293 >>What year?


Well, we're talking 'Bound' so whenever that was.

Posted by: garrett at December 15, 2017 02:29 PM (8bEU0)

294 To be fair, Moore did act guilty in that Hannity interview. And leaving the campaign trail at the end? Curious.

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I think Moore chased younger women.... in their teens.

I think he didn't have sexual contact with any of them.

I also think he's been faithful to his eventual wife.



People come up with weird shit to justify their behavior. Remember Bill Clintons theory that it *really* isnt sex if you don't come in their vajay??

No Bill.... It is.


Posted by: fixerupper at December 15, 2017 02:29 PM (8XRCm)

295 Donald of the Twelfth Coke no longer heeds the lamentation of the women.

He has grown weary.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 15, 2017 02:29 PM (hcyUh)

296 "In 1974, there was a movie called "It's Alive!", a horror film where a mother gives birth to a monster that proceeds to kill the hospital staff and various other Los Angelenos. "

That reminds me of a "Fear Factor" episode where some girl was taken to go see some woman giving birth in the hospital, and she's standing there (they made some excuse to keep her in the room) and the Doctor screams and this devil-baby jumps out from under the sheets - basically it's a midget painted red with little horn