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CRU Hackery Links

John Hinderaker at PowerLine have been doing a great job digging through the emails leaked from the the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit.

The "tricks" to obscure climate data weren't just being used ten years ago. Here John notes a September 28, 2009, email on a researcher's efforts to massage the data to get an arbitrarily chosen "blip" in the data.

At the same link, John points out the emails reveal the less-than-scientific interests of the researchers:

What they reveal, more than anything, is a bunker mentality. These pro-global warming scientists see themselves as under siege, and they view AGW skeptics as bitter enemies. They are often mean-spirited; the web site American Thinker is referred to as "American Stinker;" at one point an emailer exults in the death of a global warming skeptic; another one suggests that the Ph.D. of a prominent skeptic should be revoked because of an error he made decades ago in his dissertation; another says that he is tempted to "beat the crap out of" the same scientist. The emails show beyond any reasonable doubt that these individuals are engaged in politics, not science.

In this post John tracks how the researchers responded to critique by circling the wagons and then slandering the critic.

And here he lists the discussion which led to the deletion of emails in the face of a FOI request.

Each post is highly recommended reading.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 07:16 PM




Comments

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1
this story has legs

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 22, 2009 07:18 PM (fFl1M)

2
global warming = poppydash

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 22, 2009 07:18 PM (fFl1M)

3
baldercock!

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 22, 2009 07:19 PM (fFl1M)

4 You're not out of the Woods yet.

Another decade or two of cooling ought to wise you up.

Posted by: The Sun at November 22, 2009 07:22 PM (Bmk3r)

5 What's the Twitter hash that folks should be using to tweet this up?

If this controversy is quarantined to message boards only, it will never have the legs it needs to overcome the momentum.

Posted by: benjamin at November 22, 2009 07:22 PM (jjlGZ)

6 The Plate Tectonics Crisis is next.

"The Atlantic Ocean is widening!"

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 07:24 PM (Bmk3r)

7 I don't know anyone who wants to pollute the air, water, or planet. Lots of people, including myself, believe man-caused global warming, climate change or human-caused doom is complete bullshit. Ever seen an actual volcano? I have. They pump out more noxious gas in a minute than most cities do in a year. Algore and his Enronilk should be tarred and feathered.

Posted by: 141 Driver at November 22, 2009 07:25 PM (JFNQ7)

8 Look for more of these types of 'stories' in the coming weeks:
AP carries water for GW:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sci_climate_09_post_kyoto

Posted by: GarandFan at November 22, 2009 07:26 PM (ZQBnQ)

9 There's a lot more to this story than just professional shenanigans. There's evidence of misappropriation of funding and tax evasion. One email discussed hiding funds from NOAA that were not used for a conference trip. That's a fucking crime! These assholes are criminals!

On top of this AGW debacle, Steyn points out in his Macleans article that the IPCC bureaucrats are calling 2009 the first year of global governance. We may be turning the corner here in terms of public opinion but the international bureaucrats are moving full steam ahead.

Posted by: Iskandar at November 22, 2009 07:28 PM (u1pln)

10 There's no THERE there, you Creationist Denialists! The SCIENCE is settled!

Don't go reading hacked and altered emails misinterpreted by the racists at Powerline, I've got pictures of the OCEAN, and Tiny Tim too!

Dammit Shamuta, the GREEN pills are my Prozac, the blue ones are the Viagra!

Posted by: Cahrsel Jhonsno at November 22, 2009 07:30 PM (sYxEE)

11 The entire Washington Post opinion section today was about "Climate Change" and desperation (except for George Will who says the U.S. has plenty of its own oil). It even scolds Obama for not working "quickly" enough. They may sense that their time is running out.
What they reveal, more than anything, is a bunker mentality. These pro-global warming scientistsMarxists see themselves as under siege, and they view AGW skeptics as bitter enemies. They are often mean-spirited; the web site American Thinker is referred to as "American Stinker;" at one point an emailer exults in the death of a global warming skeptic; another one suggests that the Ph.D. of a prominent skeptic should be revoked because of an error he made decades ago in his dissertation; another says that he is tempted to "beat the crap out of" the same scientist capitalist . The emails show beyond any reasonable doubt that these individuals are engaged in politics, not science.
They are just old fashioned Marxists. Using a different tool.

Posted by: Dagny at November 22, 2009 07:30 PM (rSRY0)

12 "One email discussed hiding funds from NOAA that were not used for a conference trip,"

Oh, my. That's a no-no. They got some 'splainin' to do.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 07:30 PM (Bmk3r)

13 Probably best to leave this one to the cables.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 22, 2009 07:36 PM (DtTM9)

14 It gets better in the code comments.A lotof the data is computer code. I'm sure it will take a while to digest (run and critique) but thats the gold. Pay attention the the climateaudit mirror site or Watts up with that.

Posted by: popcorn at November 22, 2009 07:37 PM (HlpHc)

15 If they weren't convinced that global warming had to be combatted by raising energy costs I would like to see some. I hate writing $350 checks to the gas company all winter.

Posted by: Dagny at November 22, 2009 07:37 PM (rSRY0)

16 This is why we scientists make all our laboratory notebook entries in pencil.


Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 07:38 PM (Bmk3r)

17 Powerline has been doing a great job on this. It's time for whatever Inspector General has jurisdiction over the spending of this money to investigate. The Justice Department is a partisan joke and so is the media.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 22, 2009 07:38 PM (muUqs)

18 There's no THERE there, you Creationist Denialists! The SCIENCE is settled!Don't
go reading hacked and altered emails misinterpreted by the racists at
Powerline, I've got pictures of the OCEAN, and Tiny Tim too!Dammit Shamuta, the GREEN pills are my Prozac, the blue ones are the Viagra!

Posted by: Cahrsel Jhonsno at November 22, 2009 07:30 PM (sYxEE)






heh, its all out civil war over there now. The night of the long knives. Its CJ's new found far leftist buddies versus the old guard of RINO lapdog lackeys and CJ is nowhere to be found. He's not even standing up for his loyalists like Mandy and Sharmuta. I think he's welcoming the coming purge so he can go all-in Kos and D.U.

Even the post where he attempted to bash ace a couple of days ago barely went 25 comments before the throat cutting and backstabbing commenced and they forgot about ace altogether.

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 07:39 PM (+FzLa)

19
I don't think that's the real Charles Johnson.

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 22, 2009 07:41 PM (fFl1M)

20 This is really big, as in finding that Aliens control the World big.

It will take a long time to purge our planet of these scum.

Reducing the UN building to a puddle of molten slag is a good start.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 07:41 PM (Bmk3r)

21 This is really a problem for the world-wide communist lobby. They've done really well convincing the world that only a one-world marxist government can keep Gaia from annilation. That's what you get when hackers ignore theprime directive.

Posted by: Dagny at November 22, 2009 07:41 PM (rSRY0)

22 Look, I'm a realist.

Will the MSM pick up on this huge scandal and run with it? Uh, no.

Therefore, the average drone won't even hear about it. What they'll hear instead is more doomsday GW propaganda, from the MSM and the schools.

We are winning the debate on the facts and the merits. But they are winning the larger, more important, debate through endless propaganda and indoctrination.

Facts are meaningless in 2009. Face it: We're fucked.

Posted by: RJ at November 22, 2009 07:42 PM (ADbI4)

23
It's time for whatever Inspector General has jurisdiction over the spending of this money to investigate.

hahaha, I'm sure they'll get right on that. Right after they resume cutting checks to ACORN.

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 22, 2009 07:43 PM (fFl1M)

24 I don't think that's the real Charles Johnson.

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 22, 2009 07:41 PM (fFl1M)



I know its not. Its k-bear, he loves to sock Chuckles the Clown. He can totally appreciate the beauty of what I was talking about above.

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 07:44 PM (+FzLa)

25
And I'm pretty sure Dr Spank is not a real doctor.

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 22, 2009 07:45 PM (fFl1M)

26 RJ has a point, but the truth has already leaked out far more than the AGW propaganda campaign wished.

The Sun is on our side. That helps a lot.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 07:46 PM (Bmk3r)

27 Face it: We're fucked.
Let's face it, that kind of nihilistic thinking will get you nowhere.
Pussy!

Posted by: mghorning at November 22, 2009 07:50 PM (CxA8i)

28 The Atlantic Ocean is widening!
Look out!!! Look out!!! We're crashing into Asia!!!

Posted by: san franciso red at November 22, 2009 07:50 PM (2qU2d)

29 And RJ,
Consider youself lucky I'm not Gen. Patton.

Posted by: mghorning at November 22, 2009 07:52 PM (CxA8i)

30 6 The Plate Tectonics Crisis is next. "The Atlantic Ocean is widening!"
The People's Cube did that a couple years back. Hilarious. I think Rush talked about it.

Posted by: Truman North at November 22, 2009 07:52 PM (XH/G8)

31 Pay attention the the climateaudit mirror site or Watts up with that.
The Climate Audit site is back up and running. (And a tip jar donation might not be amiss if he's had to buy greater bandwidth.)

Posted by: andycanuck at November 22, 2009 07:53 PM (2qU2d)

32 Dammit Shamuta, the GREEN pills are my Prozac, the blue ones are the Viagra!

Nothing worse than being depressed with a four-hour boner.

Posted by: nickless at November 22, 2009 07:54 PM (MMC8r)

33 6
The Plate Tectonics Crisis is next.





"The Atlantic Ocean is widening!"

The devastating weight of despair inflicted upon our beautiful blue marble by noxious thoughts of industry and prosperity are crushing the fragile eggshell firmament beneath our very feet! That is why there are earth quakes people! Believe it!

Posted by: Joe Biden with his pointy scientist cap on at November 22, 2009 07:54 PM (SSWdi)

34 I'm positive a.k.a. hasn't made a coherent argument since the onset of Alzheimer's.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 22, 2009 07:55 PM (muUqs)

35 I think he's welcoming the coming purge so he can go all-in Kos and D.U.

I don't think Chuckles wants to go all-in Kos and D.U.Once Chucks admits he is further to the left than Kos, he dooms himself to immediate blog obscurity. His only relevance now is as a tool for the left to demonstrate how 'sane' conservatives are vicimized by the 'right-wing fringe'.

Chuckles is as much a tool of the left as that equally pathetic Levi Johnston, but without the looks and brains.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at November 22, 2009 07:55 PM (xMSXs)

36 I don't think that's the real Charles Johnson.No, I'm Jarles Chohnson.

Posted by: Jarles Chohnson at November 22, 2009 07:57 PM (2qU2d)

37 Of course, John Assrocket offers no proof of fraud. What he does offer is proof that scientists privately corresponding as friends and colleagues, organized to disarm constant attacks aimed at them by knucklehead deniers.

More examples of the rightwing evoking allegiances per blunt instruments of wishful thinking. As usual.

Posted by: Father Coughlin at November 22, 2009 07:58 PM (RdKK8)

38 The entire Earth is warming!
PS: Except for land. But that doesn't count, it's a goof blip. The ocean temperatures will prove me right.
PPS: Also there's an ocean blip.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at November 22, 2009 07:58 PM (f4sLg)

39 25 And I'm pretty sure Dr Spank is not a real doctor.
Posted by: a.k.a. at November 22, 2009 07:45 PM (fFl1M)
So that pap smear he gave me with a rusty spoon wasn't real? Does that mean I have to get another one?

Posted by: Meghan McCain at November 22, 2009 07:59 PM (H7Rlw)

40
And I'm pretty shore Father Bend Over Cough here isn't a real priest.

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 07:59 PM (+FzLa)

41 It's only one sentence! It means nothing to the meta-narrative!

Posted by: the anus of "Father Coughlin" at November 22, 2009 07:59 PM (2qU2d)

42 Damn it all to H-E-Double Hockey Sticks. It woulda worked too, if wasn't for those meddling kids.

Posted by: the Marxists at November 22, 2009 08:01 PM (DIYmd)

43 So that pap smear he gave me with a rusty spoon wasn't real? Does that mean I have to get another one?

I thought that was your suitcase I examined.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 22, 2009 08:01 PM (muUqs)

44 29 -

I'm pessimistic because I TALK to people out in the real world who aren't right-wingers like you and me. IOW, a majority of the public.

And you can show these people all the facts and figures and graphs in the world, but it doesn't fucking matter. They would rather believe the LIE they've been told 500 times than believe the TRUTH that only you are telling them.

That's because of basic human psychology. It's easier for the human psyche to dismiss the "subjective" opinion of one person - even if he is a person you know and trust - than it is for the human psyche to reject the "objective" "facts" of 100 "credible" MSM outlets.

You must understand: The election of 0bama isn't some "canary in a coal mine" that warns us about a vanguard of leftists who are about to try to take over the country.

No, the election of 0bama was the next-to-last stage in the complete annihilation of our country and our Constitution and our freedoms and liberties.

IOW, they haven't picked a fight just now. The fight is basically all over, but for the crying (and the re-education camps).

When Glenn Beck says we have literally months to save our country, that may sound like hyperbole to you. It sounds like reality to me.

Posted by: RJ at November 22, 2009 08:03 PM (ADbI4)

45 So that pap smear he gave me with a rusty spoon wasn't real? Does that mean I have to get another one?
No, you can't get one for anither two years. I hope you saved the spoon, it's a medical device.

Posted by: mghorning at November 22, 2009 08:03 PM (CxA8i)

46 44 29

That's because of basic human psychology. It's easier for the human
psyche to dismiss the "subjective" opinion of one person - even if he
is a person you know and trust - than it is for the human psyche to
reject the "objective" "facts" of 100 "credible" MSM outlets.

I don't believe you.

Posted by: somejoe at November 22, 2009 08:05 PM (SSWdi)

47 What's really a shame is that 75 percent of the GOP congress, including our 2009 Presidential candidate bought this AGW shit hook, line and sinker. Dickheads!

Posted by: Barbarian at November 22, 2009 08:05 PM (EL+OC)

48 37,

Proof that staring at the Sun for ten minutes then typing a comment is a comedy gold mine.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 08:05 PM (Bmk3r)

49 Enough of this attention to the polar bear H8ers!
Let's talk about how Allahpunditis so dreamy. He's everything Ilove in a conservative!

Posted by: Meghan McCain at November 22, 2009 08:05 PM (H7Rlw)

50 Father Coughlin was an anti-Semitic progressive in the teens and twenties. His nationwide sermon/diatribes were very popular. He was into eugenics, fascism, wife-beating and paying farm subsidies.
Actually, maybe I put those in reverse order.
But you get the idea. Anyone aping Father Coughlin is a nutless douche who has more in common with the turds in the White House now than any Catholic priest.

Posted by: Truman North at November 22, 2009 08:06 PM (XH/G8)

51 You right-wing nuts haven't got a clue about the burden we must shoulder. It's hard having lie and live with ourselves. Really hard. Just ask the Senator from Louisiana what it's like whoring one's self.

Posted by: Father Sneezelin at November 22, 2009 08:07 PM (YX6i/)

52 OT,
I love the AoSHQ. I tip!
Can we have a month without stealing shit from Hot Air and talking about LGF?
There are really smart people here.
Steal from Fark or the NY Post, but I am really getting sick of reading HA shit over here.
That clear enough?
Have a nice day.

Posted by: Kemp at November 22, 2009 08:09 PM (2+9Yx)

53 He's everything Ilove in a conservative!
Translation: Allah ballahs trumps Frums bum.
No charge.

Posted by: mghorning at November 22, 2009 08:09 PM (CxA8i)

54
No, you can't get one for anither two years. I hope you saved the spoon, it's a medical device.
Posted by: mghorning at November 22, 2009 08:03 PM (CxA8i)
I only used it to eat seven banana splits, two hot fudge covered brownies, half a Boston cream pie, some cheese cake,and the rest of the quart of Hagen-Dazs, but I haven't washed it yet, so that's OK. Right?

Posted by: Meghan McCain at November 22, 2009 08:10 PM (H7Rlw)

55 Father Coughlin was an anti-Semitic progressive in the teens and
twenties. His nationwide sermon/diatribes were very popular. He was
into eugenics, fascism, wife-beating and paying farm subsidies.




So in other words Father Coughlin was a good role model for most liberals today.

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 08:11 PM (+FzLa)

56 Yeah, wing-nuts, the e-mails asking other scientists to ignore inquires and about "hiding the decline" mean nothing. Scientists do this all the time. I should know, because I have an advanced degree from an esteemed online university.

Posted by: Father Nutgobbler at November 22, 2009 08:11 PM (otlXg)

57 37
Of course, John Assrocket offers no proof of fraud. What he does offer
is proof that scientists politically-motivated degree-bearing hacks privately corresponding as friends and
colleagues, organized to disarm constant attacks ignore basic tenets of science and commit scientific fraud aimed exposed at them by
knucklehead deniers non-cultist, rational people who understand that when the data don't support the theory it is the theory that gets "massaged."



You're welcome. Now you can leave. I'm sure there's a Nazi rally somewhere waiting for you to deliver the keynote address.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at November 22, 2009 08:11 PM (xMSXs)

58 Video and other evidence strongly suggests that Global Cooling is caused by erect nipples.

If so, this is a tough one.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 08:12 PM (Bmk3r)

59

Fark? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at November 22, 2009 08:12 PM (7+pP9)

60 Can we have a month without stealing shit from Hot Air and talking about LGF?

Wasn't the post stolen from Powerline?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 22, 2009 08:13 PM (DIYmd)

61 52
OT,
I love the AoSHQ. I tip!
Can we have a month without stealing shit from Hot Air and talking about LGF?
There are really smart people here.
Steal from Fark or the NY Post, but I am really getting sick of reading HA shit over here.
That clear enough?
Have a nice day.

Posted by: Kemp at November 22, 2009 08:09 PM (2+9Yx)
You are worse than Jesus!

Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 22, 2009 08:14 PM (H7Rlw)

62
Glowball Worming is caused by the joos !!

Posted by: Fuhrer Coughdrop at November 22, 2009 08:14 PM (+FzLa)

63 O/T: The New York Times: I dont exclude that the murder is connected to the fact that he preached among and baptized those who belong to Muslim culture.

Posted by: Dashing appellation at November 22, 2009 08:14 PM (gSxol)

64 Maybe HA is using the LHC to steal AoSHQ posts from the future.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 08:14 PM (Bmk3r)

65 Assrocket:



The emails I've reviewed so far do not suggest that these scientists are perpetrating a knowing and deliberate hoax



No. They're "true believers" compelled by the evidence. Unlike the"skeptic" climatologists whose names cannot be uttered because they do not exist.

You'll always have Lord Monckton, Assrocket.

Ahhhh. Knuckleheads.

Posted by: Father Coughlin at November 22, 2009 08:15 PM (RdKK8)

66 I can vouch for the fact that the Charles Gibson of AOSHQ meme immortality is my colleague here at ABC News of the same name.

Posted by: George Stephanopoulos at November 22, 2009 08:15 PM (DtTM9)

67 Erg slithers back, anxious to scourge the unbelievers and defend his faith.

Evidence means nothing to such zealots.

Posted by: nickless at November 22, 2009 08:15 PM (MMC8r)

68 I only used it to eat seven banana splits, two hot fudge covered
brownies, half a Boston cream pie, some cheese cake,and the rest of
the quart of Hagen-Dazs, but I haven't washed it yet, so that's OK.
Right?

Based on my vast medical knowledge, you're fine.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 22, 2009 08:15 PM (muUqs)

69 No, you can't get one for another two years. I hope you saved the spoon, it's a medical device.
Posted by: mghorning at November 22, 2009 08:03 PM (CxA8i)
I only used it to eat seven banana splits, two hot fudge covered brownies, half a Boston cream pie, some cheese cake,and the rest of the quart of H�agen-Dazs, but I haven't washed it yet, so that's OK. Right?
It will have to be.

Posted by: kathleen sebellius at November 22, 2009 08:16 PM (CxA8i)

70 I don't think that's the real Charles Johnson.
Does anyone really know the real Charles Johnson??!

Posted by: What time it is at November 22, 2009 08:16 PM (gSxol)

71 Don't scare off the little troll; it's fun to watch him flail around and get all pissy.

Posted by: Blue Yankee at November 22, 2009 08:17 PM (eKgqT)

72 O/T: The New York Times: I dont exclude that
the murder is connected to the fact that he preached among and baptized
those who belong to Muslim culture.


Posted by: Dashing appellation at November 22, 2009 08:14 PM (gSxol)





Nooooooo, where would you ever get a silly idea like that?

Clearly it was Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin who drove him to do it.

Posted by: Your Mainstream Media at November 22, 2009 08:17 PM (+FzLa)

73 I second Kemp. But who am I to comlpain? I don't read that garbage anyway, so it's always new to me.

Posted by: Truman North at November 22, 2009 08:18 PM (XH/G8)

74 In the time it took erg to come up with his electronic farts AL Gore matched the carbon footprint of Botswana and Kenya combined.

On a Sunday.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 08:19 PM (Bmk3r)

75 No. They're "true believers" compelled by the evidence.
Like the earth is actually cooling? That evidence?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 22, 2009 08:20 PM (DIYmd)

76
Does anyone really know the real Charles Johnson??!

Posted by: What time it is at November 22, 2009 08:16 PM (gSxol)




Yea, unfortunately I do

Posted by: Charles Johnsons Butt Plug at November 22, 2009 08:20 PM (+FzLa)

77 You know who's an idiot? Obama. He doesn't know how many states there are. He has no clue about US history. He likes terrorists. He can't finish a complete sentence without a teleprompter and he bows like a little bitch. No wonder his poll numbers are tanking. And don't get me started on the Wookie.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 22, 2009 08:20 PM (muUqs)

78

Islamic extremism? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at November 22, 2009 08:21 PM (7+pP9)

79 If I didn't have this 57 state racial apology tour gig, I'd be coming out with a statement on this hoax. Damn right I would. Damn bunch of scientific crackers ain't goin' to get way with it.

Posted by: Michael Steele at November 22, 2009 08:22 PM (EL+OC)

80 The day these emails came out should be designated "Burn a Tire Day".

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 08:22 PM (Bmk3r)

81 I gotta fevah and the only prescription is more Father Coughlin.

Posted by: Editor at November 22, 2009 08:22 PM (YX6i/)

82 What he does offer is proof that scientists privately corresponding as friends and colleagues criminals and propagandists, organized to disarm lie profusely and fraudulently massage or omit data to counter the constant attacks aimed at them byknucklehead denierspeople who have been right all along that AGW is a religion and not science.
Necessary corrections to erg's pustulant bilge provided free of charge.
Next on a special 10 minute episode of "Lie to Me," Dr. Carl Lightman takes on a "progressive" leftist who happens to be a sociopathic liar with adistressing lack of personal hygeineand who calls everyone else "knuckleheads"; this obvious tell enables Dr. Lightman to set a personal record in determining that the leftist is actually severely brain damaged.

Posted by: David Axelrod's Combover at November 22, 2009 08:23 PM (1SOOm)

83 Charles Gibson? Never heard of him!

Posted by: Islamic Extremism at November 22, 2009 08:23 PM (H7Rlw)

84

More Cough-Bell !!

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 08:24 PM (+FzLa)

85 With apologisies to Kemp.
HA's Green room has a day in the life of Michelle Obama. good laugh.

Posted by: kathleen sebellius at November 22, 2009 08:24 PM (CxA8i)

86 Nothing funnier than the 'scientist' who insists that his calculations are accurate, while reality just smiles and goes the other way.

Unless it's the socialists who've built a house of cards on those clueless scientists trying to keep the whole thing in the air for them.

Posted by: nickless at November 22, 2009 08:25 PM (MMC8r)

87 I'm putting my weight behind the CRU guys. Father Coughlin, please take a seat next to me on this couch.

Posted by: Newt Gingrich at November 22, 2009 08:25 PM (YX6i/)

88 What? I'm not good enough anymore!?

Posted by: Cow Bell at November 22, 2009 08:25 PM (H7Rlw)

89 88
What? I'm not good enough anymore!?

Posted by: Cow Bell
Poser.

Posted by: Flamin Skull at November 22, 2009 08:27 PM (muUqs)

90 O/T: AT THE END OF THE DAY, [PC] DIVERSITY HAS JUMPED THE SHARK, HORRIFICALLY

Posted by: Diversity Kills at November 22, 2009 08:27 PM (gSxol)

91 HA has a video of Palin encountering an Orc, um , I mean Andrea Mitchell. Andrea was seen from a very , ahem, how shall I say, unflattering angle.


Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 08:27 PM (Bmk3r)

92 What? I'm not good enough anymore!?

Posted by: Cow Bell at November 22, 2009 08:25 PM (H7Rlw)
Coughlin's head is a little emptier than you, so the banging rings quite a bit longer. Sorry. Can't argue with science.

Posted by: Editor at November 22, 2009 08:28 PM (YX6i/)

93 I just came back from rightwingnuthouse.com. That site has gone over to the dark side. I didn't know.
I used to enjoy the summary over there. But Rick Moran has jumped. Reminds me of lgf. sucks now. No Wonder Americanthinker has not published an article from him in a while.

Posted by: everyday at November 22, 2009 08:28 PM (LiDpC)

94 91
HA has a video of Palin encountering an Orc, um , I mean Andrea
Mitchell. Andrea was seen from a very , ahem, how shall I say,
unflattering angle.


Yea, you can see her face.


Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 22, 2009 08:28 PM (muUqs)

95 In 1885, the U.S. Geological Survey announced there was "little or no
chance" of oil being discovered in California, and a few years later
they said the same about Kansas and Texas.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 22, 2009 08:28 PM (DIYmd)

96 Poser.
Posted by: Flamin Skull at November 22, 2009 08:27 PM (muUqs)
Ace loved me first, until you came along you little harlot!

Posted by: Cow Bell at November 22, 2009 08:28 PM (H7Rlw)

97 Holy non sequitor, Guy Fawkes. Can you go blow up Congress or something? Please?

Posted by: Truman North at November 22, 2009 08:30 PM (XH/G8)

98 Erg, in case you missed it, on the AOSHQ front page:
It seems the very scientific jazz musician is somewhat less open to questioning global warming alarmism than lefty German paper Der Spiegel.Stagnating Temperatures
Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out
By Gerald Traufetter
Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. Some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents.
At least the weather in Copenhagen is likely to be cooperating. The Danish Meteorological Institute predicts that temperatures in December, when the city will host the United Nations Climate Change Conference, will be one degree above the long-term average.
Otherwise, however, not much is happening with global warming at the moment. The Earth's average temperatures have stopped climbing since the beginning of the millennium, and it even looks as though global warming could come to a standstill this year.
Ironically, climate change appears to have stalled in the run-up to the upcoming world summit in the Danish capital, where thousands of politicians, bureaucrats, scientists, business leaders and environmental activists plan to negotiate a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. Billions of euros are at stake in the negotiations.

Looks like you zealots are gonna start needing to pass the collection plate, soon.

Posted by: nickless at November 22, 2009 08:31 PM (MMC8r)

99 In 1885, the U.S. Geological Survey announced there was "little or no
chance" of oil being discovered in California, and a few years later
they said the same about Kansas and Texas.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 22, 2009 08:28 PM (DIYmd)
Yeah, but Alaska is so dry it makes up for both of those mis-interpretations.

Posted by: USGS at November 22, 2009 08:32 PM (YX6i/)

100 At the end of the Nineteenth Century a very famous scientist declared that physics was done with new discoveries, and the task of future scientists was to merely add more decimal places.

Not long afterward, Special Relativity and Quantum Mechanics poked their heads out of their holes and bit his ass.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 08:32 PM (Bmk3r)

101 HA has a video of Palin encountering an Orc, um , I
mean Andrea Mitchell. Andrea was seen from a very , ahem, how shall I
say, unflattering angle.







Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 08:27 PM (Bmk3r)



Andrea was in full-on Fatal Attraction boiling a bunny in a pot of water mode in that vid. Very creepy.

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 08:33 PM (+FzLa)

102 I talked to a friend of mine in Philly. I know that he does not have access to the internet due to hie situating. I asked him if he heard anything of the potential global warming scientists scandal. The answer, not a word. Later in the day I asked my brother who has Internet access but does not follow any news blogs. Same answer. We are not only f ucked we are double f ucked. I'm afraid the politicians and the MSN will bury this.

Posted by: Buffalobob at November 22, 2009 08:37 PM (ae0kj)

103 Apologists for this AGWcabal talk about the giant and relentless threat of AGW skeptics, how the skeptics have the upper hand; that this is why this group were forced to communicate amongst themselves in this way.
In fact, expressing AGW skepticism is generally not allowed in the MSM, and powerful politicians insist that the science is settled, and there is an attempt to sidelineany skeptics as nutcases. Skeptical scientists usually keep their mouths shut to avoid trouble - they've learned to do this. Look at the word they use: "deniers." Not "skeptics," "deniers;" evil ones whothreaten the future of the human race.
Raging, rampant skeptics at the gates. What a god damned inversion of reality. What drives the fear of the AGW industryis not that somebody is going to tell lies about them, it's that the hidden weakness of their work might become an issue. They've been living in a house of cards and they know it.
The bottom line is that whether there is a realAGW effect, orisn't, you'll never get a reliableanswer from these assholes.
"The politicsare settled."

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at November 22, 2009 08:37 PM (tm15w)

104
I think it was Rosetta who first made the astute observation that Andrea Mitchell looks like F Murray Abraham.


Posted by: a.k.a. at November 22, 2009 08:38 PM (1HKg5)

105 102,

Sadly precise.

Fox News is the only hope.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 08:39 PM (Bmk3r)

106 I think it was Rosetta who first made the astute observation that Andrea Mitchell looks like F Murray Abraham.

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 22, 2009 08:38 PM (1HKg5)


Omg, its true.

Too funny.

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 08:42 PM (+FzLa)

107
I bet Inhofe knows about it.

Thank God we have at least one senator who isn't afraid to call a popular hoax a hoax.

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 22, 2009 08:42 PM (1HKg5)

108 I feel badly for the general reputation of the Scripps Institute of Oceanography here in San Diego, which does amazing work, but I also remember a bunch of sci-research-links to SIO researchers. If these people were part of the data fudging, they should be gutted and left off the coast for great white feeding research. Lying grant-whores

Posted by: Frank G at November 22, 2009 08:42 PM (I+To0)

109 Father Coughlin is one of those kinky pron names, right?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 08:42 PM (H3E0/)

110 Oh, and just to restate, as I plan to do every time erg shows his ugly mug from now on, let's not forget his stunning admission that AGW is really just about punishing the West for an advanced lifestyle:
646
And the only reason you use this email is to defend unrestrained
exploitation of resources benefiting accumulation among very few humans.That's your religion.

Posted by: Mikhail Ivanovich Budyko at November 21, 2009 03:42 PM (RdKK

Posted by: nickless at November 22, 2009 08:45 PM (MMC8r)

111 Someprofessor actually commented on my blog. The spin he spewed is that even without the CRU data, AGW is proved by this and this and this etc.
I blew him off with my reply. It is not worth spending time explaining in detail to someone who references realclimate.org on their site in a positive fashion.

Posted by: Mark at November 22, 2009 08:45 PM (Vvbjc)

112 Kemp: "There are really smart people here."

Yeah, but only about military stuff.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 22, 2009 08:49 PM (swuwV)

113 Father Coughlin is one of those kinky pron names, right?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 08:42 PM (H3E0/)
You can spot them a mile a way.

Posted by: Father Cocklin at November 22, 2009 08:49 PM (YX6i/)

114 Fox News is the only hope.

Have they picked up on it yet?

Posted by: Methos at November 22, 2009 08:51 PM (CoDwG)

115

We are not only f ucked we are double f ucked. I'm afraid the politicians and the MSN will bury this.



Posted by: Buffalobob at November 22, 2009 08:37 PM (ae0kj)
Oh, alright, enough you broken record. Okay. I been down here 2 weeks now.

Posted by: Joe Dirt at November 22, 2009 08:52 PM (7+pP9)

116 Unbelievable, yet totally unsurprising (via WeeklyStandard):

NYTimes: We Won't Publish "Statements that Were Never Intended for the Public Eye."

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 22, 2009 08:53 PM (I2aaX)

117 Father Coughlin is one of those kinky pron names, right?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 08:42 PM (H3E0/)



I go by the same name on Manhunt. You wouldn't believe how many guys out there wanna get power-packed by some shmoe with a Catholic priest get up on.

Posted by: Father Coughmedicine at November 22, 2009 08:53 PM (+FzLa)

118
...even without the CRU data, AGW is proved by this and this and this etc.

He's right, in a way. The scientists involved in this hoax have spent millions and millions of $$ in grants compiling bogus evidence to support their claim. It's multi-layered for the express purpose to obfuscate and hide the fabrications.

In other words they've gone to great lengths to construct the biggest fraud perpetrated in the history of the human civilization.

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 22, 2009 08:53 PM (1HKg5)

119 Someprofessor actually commented on my blog. The spin he spewed is
that even without the CRU data, AGW is proved by this and this and this
etc.

He ignores numerous errors and deceptions throughout AGW theory like Hockey Stick graphs, like NASA data being glaringly wrong for ten years (just happening to cover up the cooler Earth, and uncovered thanks to an apostate 'skeptic'), and, oh, the cooler Earth itself. But, again, it's all about denying contravening data, isn't it?

Posted by: nickless at November 22, 2009 08:54 PM (MMC8r)

120
NYTimes: We Won't Publish "Statements that Were Never Intended for the Public Eye. (unless they are damaging to conservatives)"

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 22, 2009 08:53 PM (I2aaX)


FIFT





Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 08:55 PM (+FzLa)

121 Yes, the MSM are hiding it now but that is why Obama went so far trying to get Rush and Fox declared not news sources (Rush doesn't say he is). They weren't going after Fox as much as they were telling the LSM not to pick up FOX stories and put them on LSM stations. The way its been working is that the internet picks up a story, it goes viral, or Beck, Rush, Hannity pick up a story and it goes onto the rest of the right radio and the blogosphere. Then Fox picks it up on all its shows. Then the NY Post, Washington Times, WSJ editorial page etc. pick it up. The LSM then decide they can't ignore it and it goes mainstream. Anita Dunn was warning the LSM not to touch anything that came from this scenario. However, if the item, like phoney GW stays in the forefront of the blogosphere, talk radio and FOX they are going to look like morons (the bad kind) if they don't mention it. The only option they have is to talk about it but discredit the sources. Look for that in a day or two.

Posted by: Dagny at November 22, 2009 08:56 PM (rSRY0)

122 Look I wont try explain my ways across the board.
Dont board my across explain try.

Posted by: ick moran at November 22, 2009 08:56 PM (LiDpC)

123 NYTimes: We Won't Publish "Statements that Were Never Intended for the Public Eye."

Obviously a change from the days of classified CIA documents on the front page.

Posted by: nickless at November 22, 2009 08:56 PM (MMC8r)

124 The Fox News website had it the day it came out. Me no have TV.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 08:57 PM (Bmk3r)

125 And remember, it was but a stupid "O-ring" that caused the US Space Shuttle Challenger to blow up.

Posted by: drillanwr at November 22, 2009 08:57 PM (1kwr2)

126 It is simple, really. If AGW was real, the effects would be split evenly among harmful and beneficial. The True Believers only say it is harmful. Therefore, it is not real. You don't need a bunch of snotty, publicly funded 'scientists' to figure that out. As for 'climate change' I suppose Congress taxed the two miles of ice over Michigan until it went away 20000 years ago. and speakin of Michigan, I guess that Hopenchange ain't workin out so well right now, been seein a lot of Michigan license plates around here lately. This is a long way to drive for entry level work.....

Posted by: Artruen at November 22, 2009 08:58 PM (L+dBi)

127 OJ: "I did it."

AGW Alarmist interpretation: You Deniers are just blowing what he said out of proportion. It was just one line. A single statement.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 22, 2009 08:58 PM (swuwV)

128 I just noticed that Michelle Malkin is calling for the heads of the hackers and demanding that they be prosecuted to "the fullest extent of the law".
Gotta follow the letter of the law, and be consistent, no matter the price, yet she has no problem linking to the material.
What a disappointment she is.

Posted by: Cow Bell at November 22, 2009 08:59 PM (H7Rlw)

129 Sock off

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 22, 2009 08:59 PM (H7Rlw)

130 I have reviewed the Powerline emails as well as others. John Hinderacker is wrong. He has under-described the clear falsification of data. Thje idea that you can eliminate the 1940s decadal by simply subtracting temperatures from highes and then pretend they are real should bother everyone. NASA has now been caught falsifying data 16 times in order to create a colder past. That would be James Hansen aka The Weather Clown. It now appears Britain is in the same league.

Posted by: pat at November 22, 2009 09:00 PM (h4Zo6)

131 I read a science/tech website Arstechnica.com, they normally keep up pretty well. This hack and posting of emails hasn't gotten a peep, which compares to huge writeups when a company gets a mean press release issued against it. The only talk on that website is a user started thread in the forums that spent the entire first page being shouted down as a nonissue before a mod moved it from news to science talk and burried.
Reading these emails has done a lot to educate me to how science is done today, I was still under the highschool science class impression of how things are repeatable, had no idea they were so one off and "take our word for it".

Posted by: Allen at November 22, 2009 09:00 PM (V94RM)

132 "I suppose Congress taxed the two miles of ice over Michigan until it went away 20000 years ago"

Posted by: Artruen

Ha! True indeed. There are glacier markings in Manhattan.

Never tempt the goddess Irony.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 09:01 PM (Bmk3r)

133
O.K. I'm gonna piss off Kemp here. CJ has a post up whoring an LGF calendar
full of......... you guessed it, epic pictures he's taken on his
bicycle rides with a disposable box camera. It can be yours for only $ 24.95 just in time for the holidays.



How the mighty have fallen.

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 09:03 PM (+FzLa)

134
>>78
Islamic extremism? Never heard of it...Posted by: Charles Gibson..
>>90...HAS JUMPED THE SHARK, HORRIFICALLY..Posted by: Diversity Kills

I walked down the street recently in Barcelona, and suddenly discovered a terrible truth - Europe died in Auschwitz..
Europe killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz they burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. They destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world and whose religion is the root of Christianity.
The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people who were burned.
And under the pretense of tolerance, and because they wanted to prove to themselves that they were cured of the disease of racism, they opened the gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought them stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.
They have blown up trains and turned beautiful cities into the third
world, drowning in filth and crime. Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.
And thus, in their misery, they have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.
They have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe.
A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they imagine America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves. Keep fighting these Globalists, AlWhore, etc. Our freedom is threatened like never before.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 22, 2009 09:03 PM (g7J39)

135 Michelle Malkin is calling for the heads of the hackers and demanding
that they be prosecuted to "the fullest extent of the law".

Good luck with that. They'll be protected under the UK whistle blower statutes, and probably US whistle blower statutes as well since there seems to be evidence of trying to rip off unspent NOAA travel allowances.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 09:05 PM (H3E0/)

136 134 I agree with much that you say.Those same Jews aquiesce in their own demise now don't they?What is it that compels them to destroy themselves,to destroy Israel?

Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2009 09:06 PM (BjS5s)

137 If AGW was real, the effects would be split evenly among harmful and beneficial. The True Believers only say it is harmful.

This. Since 1991, I've been telling people that no worldwide weather phenomenon can't avoid bringing somebody good. The fact that they never point out any benefits shows its just propaganda.

Our actual history show that warmth is health and prosperity.

Posted by: toby928 at November 22, 2009 09:07 PM (PD1tk)

138 128 Wow that is disappointing.Exposing this sophistry is a public service to the world.

Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2009 09:07 PM (BjS5s)

139 I was still under the highschool science class impression of how things are repeatable, had no idea they were so one off and "take our word for it".

Posted by: Allen

You always have to been open an honest about your data, but you do get a sort of pass if your data comes from observations of uncontrolled sources, like Earth for example. You can't repeat your observation, there are no controls like you might have in a lab.

But, this means you have to be much more careful about collecting, preserving, and interpreting the data.

None of what I have gleaned from these emails tells me these jokers gave a tinker's damn about any of the above.
They are not scientists. They are fakes, frauds, and whores.

Disgusting.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 09:08 PM (Bmk3r)

140 steevy,
Liberalism is a mental disease.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 22, 2009 09:08 PM (g7J39)

141 I would hope, somewhere someplace soon, Algore and the whole bunch can be seriously suuuuuued. How much has this fraud cost everyone?

Posted by: lowest strata at November 22, 2009 09:09 PM (LiDpC)

142 140 Apparently it is.A symptom of original sin.

Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2009 09:10 PM (BjS5s)

143 How the mighty have fallen.

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 09:03 PM (+FzLa)

So i went over to that site to see the calendareither that guy thinks his readers are total marks, or he has an incredibly over-inflated egoI could accidently drop my camera and take more interesting photosthat guy needs someone to pull him over and tell him to get the fuck over himself

Posted by: Jones at November 22, 2009 09:11 PM (JL3qV)

144 135 Michelle Malkin is calling for the heads of the hackers and demanding that they be prosecuted to "the fullest extent of the law".Good luck with that. They'll be protected under the UK whistle blower statutes, and probably US whistle blower statutes as well since there seems to be evidence of trying to rip off unspent NOAA travel allowances.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 09:05 PM (H3E0/)
Sure, it's unlikely to happen, but why make a show of even calling for it in the first place? I guess it's a good thing she wasn't aware of Alexander Solzhenitsyn writing an illegal book in the former Soviet Union or she would have to call for his incarceration for breaking Soviet law.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 22, 2009 09:12 PM (H7Rlw)

145 I would hope, somewhere someplace soon, Algore and
the whole bunch can be seriously suuuuuued. How much has this fraud
cost everyone?

Posted by: lowest strata at November 22, 2009 09:09 PM (LiDpC)

I GOT MINE, BITCHES

Posted by: Albert al-Gore at November 22, 2009 09:12 PM (JL3qV)

146 WHO IS PHIL JONES?

Posted by: Uriel at November 22, 2009 09:12 PM (wiIoj)

147 Liberalism is a mental disease.

I've always thought is was the result of too much prosperity over too long a period.

Obamanomics will soon test my theory.

Posted by: toby928 at November 22, 2009 09:13 PM (PD1tk)

148 Everything is bullshit and junk science today.


Junk politicians hyped for skin color and nice speeches, but no substance or experience ever being responsible for anything or anyone but himself.

Junk "news" with idiot whiners pushing a Marxist Big Brother agenda to the stupid little people that watch and get all their thoughts and ideas from them.

The economy crash was due to junk Congressmen pushing junk loans for homes to welfare junkies.

The stimulus was rammed through on junk spending and junk jobs in junk congressional districts.

The swine flu was hyped, most recently, on junk numbers after the CDC told doctors and hospitals to just treat ANY influenza as swine flu and then record it as such. They even stopped counting and testing for actual cases of H1N1 and now are projecting a "guessed" number from the tainted data of untested cases and cases that were not swine flu but other strains. WHY?


And the biggest bullshit junk of all has been the climate pimps, all the way back to the early 1970s with 'the next ice ace is coming because of your spray deodorant'. And now this bullshit which just might push through the nail in this nation's freedoms and economy with the vote of junk politicians, the stroke of a junk pen loaned to us by China (probably lead-based), and signed by a junk POTUS that the media and the brainless junk citizens of this country puked upon us.

Posted by: drillanwr at November 22, 2009 09:14 PM (1kwr2)

149 CJ is not sane.

Charts and graphs will not affect his madness.

It's too bad he has no interest in very close close-ups of polar bears.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 09:15 PM (Bmk3r)

150 Evidence means nothing to such zealots. Posted by: nickless

Yes, but their desperation is palpable and their tears are sweet.

Posted by: Iskandar at November 22, 2009 09:15 PM (u1pln)

151 Since Malkin is on TV a lot she may simply be inoculating herself against questions like: why didn't you criticize this "crime". I'm not saying that IS what she's doing, but it is one possibility I can recognize.

When you're flying at the altitude she does, one must be a tad more circumspect about your approach, since there's booby traps and IED's everywhere once you step in front of a camera for an interview or go on some policy commentary show.

Of course she could really believe someone should be prosecuted for it too.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 09:15 PM (H3E0/)

152 >Michelle Malkin is calling for the heads of the hackers and demanding
that they be prosecuted to "the fullest extent of the law".

>Good
luck with that. They'll be protected under the UK whistle blower
statutes, and probably US whistle blower statutes as well since there
seems to be evidence of trying to rip off unspent NOAA travel
allowances.

I think she has to take that position to be consistent with the outrage over Palin's emails. We can't be taking the position that criminal action is okay because it exposes worse criminal action, though we still don't know who the 'hackers' were. I've seen suggestions that it was insiders or possibly the Russians (who don't want to see their ability to sell oil diminished).

I got the sense that her statement was a formality and she'd not be terribly dsappointed if there weren't prosecutions for whatever reason.

Posted by: Methos at November 22, 2009 09:15 PM (CoDwG)

153 I agree with much that you say.Those same Jews
aquiesce in their own demise now don't they?What is it that compels
them to destroy themselves,to destroy Israel?

Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2009 09:06 PM (BjS5s)











The Jews introduced the world to Communism, European Socialism and
Modern Liberalism all in one century. And in a twist of cruel irony its
been destroying them right along with us ever since.

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 09:15 PM (+FzLa)

154
I dunno, maybe since Global Warming is now a religion in the UK, the hackers might be charged with a Hate Crime.


Posted by: a.k.a. at November 22, 2009 09:15 PM (1HKg5)

155 93
I just came back from rightwingnuthouse.com. That site has gone over to the dark side. I didn't know.
I used to enjoy the summary over there. But Rick Moran has jumped. Reminds me of lgf. sucks now. No Wonder Americanthinker has not published an article from him in a while.
***********************************
A few months back on AT, Moran was jeering at Beck and saying anyone who listensto him has the IQ of a cherrystone clam.
Then he mentioned his a blog radio slot --- which apparently reaches an audience in the high two figures. So it's easy to figure out what's going on.
Beck's huge, and he's a bitter nobody. The same dynamic is at work with Frum andBrooks.

Posted by: effinayright at November 22, 2009 09:15 PM (7M8Py)

156 133 O.K. I'm gonna piss off Kemp here. CJ has a post up whoring an LGF calendar full of......... you guessed it, epic pictures he's taken on his bicycle rides with a disposable box camera. It can be yours for only $ 24.95 just in time for the holidays.How the mighty have fallen.
Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 09:03 PM (+FzLa)
I see his coding is as good as his photography.
Loading... ERROR!

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 22, 2009 09:17 PM (H7Rlw)

157
Is Rick Moran the nerd who was feuding with Dennis the Peasant?

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 22, 2009 09:18 PM (1HKg5)

158 MM is doing the smart PR and legal dance.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 09:18 PM (Bmk3r)

159 Rick Moran and others like him are in such a snit.

Imagine what it will be like a few years from now when a Harvard grad has to take orders from the Snow Billy.

They know it's coming.

Members of the Senate of Rome do not take orders from a Pleb!

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 09:21 PM (Bmk3r)

160
First:
All-out civil war at LGF? Mandy and Sharmuta left to fend for themselves?
Interestingly, Sharmuta signed up at LGF 2 days after I did., and, while being much better known, seems to be lasting only a few extra (and painful) months.
Sharm, If youre reading this, being banned for posting contrary opinions that could only be down-dinged, not rebutted, is far less painful than what youre going through. The picture of the polar bear stuck on the ice (-berg? -pedestal? -pole?) comes to mind. 10 minutes and a beer later, and I was ok.

Second:
Michelle Malkin is calling for the heads of the hackers and demanding that they be prosecuted to "the fullest extent of the law".
I checked, and its one sentence.
"First things first: The alleged hackers need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."
I suspect she needs to say this, simply for protection. Her next sentence is:
"That said: The crimes revealed in the e-mails promise to be the global warming scandal of the century and have massive bearing on the climate change legislation being considered by our lawmakers here at home."
I think that, in this case, what the hackers did, while wrong, exposed a titanic fraud that puts the lives of hundreds of millions of people and indeed much of Western Civilization at risk, as do all confidence swindles, and should be protected by one or more whistle-blower laws.
We all knew that AGW was a pile of dog logs, now we have prof that the dog knew too.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 22, 2009 09:22 PM (Ym9lj)

161
Just read where Gorbachev is considering a political comeback in Russia.

If he's not careful, Putin will see to it that he takes a short ride in a long car.

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 09:23 PM (+FzLa)

162 Rick Moran's BTR show (podcastable) is one of the best things I have ever heard on the Internets, but his political philosophy is mysterious: doesn't like Palin (inexcusable); doesn't like Beck; is convinced the Bush Administration tortured (really tortured) many.

But I still love his BTR show: great guests, great discussions.

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 22, 2009 09:23 PM (I2aaX)

163 I think she has to take that position to be consistent with the outrage over Palin's emails. We can't be taking the position that criminal action is okay because it exposes worse criminal action, though we still don't know who the 'hackers' were. I've seen suggestions that it was insiders or possibly the Russians (who don't want to see their ability to sell oil diminished).I got the sense that her statement was a formality and she'd not be terribly dsappointed if there weren't prosecutions for whatever reason.
Posted by: Methos at November 22, 2009 09:15 PM (CoDwG)
No disagreement from me here in your assessment. I think the same thing, but if she is not articulate enough to distinguish the difference between the two events, then why do any of us pay any attention to her? Maybe she needs to call for the retroactive prosecution of Oskar Schindler for violating Nazi labor laws, lying to officials, and bribery, you know, just to maintain consistency. Screw the greater good!

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 22, 2009 09:24 PM (H7Rlw)

164 All the people exchanging the emails that were leaked will be going to the AGU meeting in a few weeks in San Francisco (Dec 14-1. I wonder if they will talk to each other or they all feel stabbed in the back by each other. That meeting should be interesting this year. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in some of the sessions.

www.agu.org

Posted by: kf at November 22, 2009 09:25 PM (/wrw/)

165 I just came back from rightwingnuthouse.com. That site has gone over to the dark side. I didn't know.

Just took a look since I haven't read anything from Moran in a couple of years. Yep, you're right. The green envy monster looms large.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 09:25 PM (H3E0/)

166 Allen: "Reading these emails has done a lot to educate me to how science is
done today, I was still under the highschool science class impression
of how things are repeatable, had no idea they were so one off and 'take our word for it'."

It's a business. There's an incentive to acquire grant money, power, and prestige like in any industry. Once you do, it's human nature to pursue more. AGW was an evolving cash cow of, apparently, historic proportion. You better believe the turf war was going to be intense. Now we see evidence of the corruption.

These "scientists" should be jailed... after critical peers get the opportunity to pummel them with erasers.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 22, 2009 09:25 PM (swuwV)

167 My guess is that the "hackers" were actually insiders, in which case, they are whistleblowers exposing fraud.

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 22, 2009 09:25 PM (I2aaX)

168 All the people exchanging the emails that were leaked will be going to the AGU meeting in a few weeks in San Francisco (Dec 14-1. I wonder if they will talk to each other or they all feel stabbed in the back by each other. That meeting should be interesting this year. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in some of the sessions.

www.agu.org
Posted by: kf

Interesting. Maybe I can sneak in.

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Posted by: sherlock at November 22, 2009 09:31 PM (ktKOD)

170 Well, this thread is the only live one, so some OT heresy... hat tip to Powerline. Looks like KSM et al. will not go gently into that good night after all. Another big win for Earflaps McBaritone and his dancing Attorney General!

NEW YORK
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attacks says the men plan to plead not guilty and use the trial to
express their political views.
Attorney Scott Fenstermaker says his client Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali and the others will not deny their role in the 2001 attacks but will tell the jury "why they did it."
He says the men will explain "their assessment of American foreign policy."
Fenstermaker met with Ali last week at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay. He says the men, including professed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, have discussed the trial among themselves.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 22, 2009 09:31 PM (AZGON)

171 'In this post John tracks how the researchers responded to critique by circling the wagons and then slandering the critic'

Which is exactly what the Left and environmentalist wacko sites like RealClimate are doing today. Add to that, they are slandering the methods used, which were illegal, in order to cast doubt on this treasure-trove of lies.

Posted by: Def Leppard at November 22, 2009 09:33 PM (hIOnV)

172 BTW, Rick Moran can go eff himself. He's just jealous of his successful leftist media brother.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 22, 2009 09:33 PM (AZGON)

173 Just read where Gorbachev is considering a political comeback in Russia.If he's not careful, Putin will see to it that he takes a short ride in a long car.

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 09:23 PM (+FzLa)

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Posted by: Michael Steele at November 22, 2009 09:33 PM (EL+OC)

174 I just sent the following to AGU.Org:

Read any good e-mails lately?Your organization is not only a disgrace, but a colony of frauds, and hacks raping the name of real science. There is a special place in Hell for your ilk.

[my real name and address]

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 22, 2009 09:35 PM (I2aaX)

175 170 How many of the lawyers will be Jews?Insanity.

Posted by: steevy at November 22, 2009 09:36 PM (BjS5s)

176 My guess is that the "hackers" were actually insiders, in which case, they are whistleblowers exposing fraud.
My guess is that is was someone working the FOI files .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 22, 2009 09:37 PM (qyS7o)

177 175
170 How many of the lawyers will be Jews? Insanity.

Surely. But I suspect nominal Jews, not Jews who actually believe in the Almighty.


Posted by: ParisParamus at November 22, 2009 09:38 PM (I2aaX)

178 The ice is gonna break!

Posted by: Johnny Smith at November 22, 2009 09:39 PM (Vz1WE)

179 Another thing the Left is using to fight the undeniable charges these emails bring is to start screaming that since the criticizers aren't scientists, that they don't understand what it is they're criticizing.
Two responses to that tomfoolery:

1) A lie is a lie is a lie. It's pretty clear when these guys are discussing how to manipulate numbers, delete emails, hide funds, etc.

2) If they ever tell you you're not a scientist and thus shouldn't be throwing barbs, ask them if THEY are scientists. I bet they're not either, in which case repeat point 1 above, tell them there's oh, twenty five examples of point 1 at the minimum, and they can just go STFU.

Posted by: Def Leppard at November 22, 2009 09:39 PM (hIOnV)

180 Powerline done whooped some ass with those logical and near flawless postings. Some lawyers really are good guys.

Posted by: Ray at November 22, 2009 09:40 PM (orbdz)

181 174, excellent! I plan on writing the Universities and government agencies a very concise and polite letter re: this nonsense. I want to know exactly what, if any penalties will be for this bunch.

Posted by: Def Leppard at November 22, 2009 09:42 PM (hIOnV)

182 This thread is harshin' my buzz.

Posted by: ManBearPig at November 22, 2009 09:43 PM (554T5)

183 I keep hearing this story has legs, but...I don't know.

It needs the same level of exposure as the ACORN shit, and right now it's not getting it.

Posted by: tdpwells at November 22, 2009 09:43 PM (Ei3oZ)

184 Ike was right.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 09:43 PM (pDVX4)

185 183,

Ok, so we dress Hannah in a skimpy outfit made of Polar Bear fur and send her to England on a fact finding mission.

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 09:45 PM (pDVX4)

186 so we dress Hannah in a skimpy outfit made of Polar Bear fur and send her to England on a fact finding mission.

The funny part is these slimentists pushing AGW fraud are so determined to have their way, they would probably believe she was a real polar bear.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 22, 2009 09:47 PM (AZGON)

187 Will Beck do the emails? Emails can be written on a blackboard, no?

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 22, 2009 09:50 PM (I2aaX)

188 I think the 'hackers' have more data and emails.
Thier initial post on 'the Air Vent' Blog post titled Open-Letter, comment #10 says that in pretty plain english
FOIA said November 17, 2009 at 9:57 pm We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to be kept under wraps. We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents. Hopefully it will give some insight into the science and the people behind it. (with a file location and sample of titles)
"Random Selection" ..... I smell a Brietbart style event coming. Because he figured out the best way to break a scandal when the Media is in bed with the miscreants.

Posted by: Cromagnum at November 22, 2009 09:50 PM (rRlh2)

189 In the end, if successful, the AGW propagandists will make Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Adolf, Stalin, and Mao look like pikers - they are willing to starve hundreds of millions to avoid the possibility that possible climate change may result in wars over food. Just ask the One.

Posted by: Druid at November 22, 2009 09:51 PM (Gct7d)

190 It needs the same level of exposure as the ACORN shit, and right now it's not getting it.

The emails, data, and code need a lot more time for analysis. Even the internet can't fully digest that much stuff and connect all the dots in a few days. I think it will take at least two months, possibly longer, before the full story is known.

All we see now is a quick random sampling, not a whiteboarded out evolution of the process and where the players fit into it..

There's a huge amount of cross referencing of stuff external to this data dump that needs to be done. Its all very detailed and painstaking forensic work.

Ace was right when he called it the "Rosetta Stone".

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 09:53 PM (H3E0/)

191 I need to buy a transportation vehicle. Credits Shot for 7 plus years. I Am concidering going with 401K withdrawl. I have nowhere else to go.
/ divorce / well, glad the "nice lady" is GONE.
But, How bad is it to cash in on a few funds/ 401k?

Posted by: lowest strata at November 22, 2009 09:58 PM (LiDpC)

192 The Goracle is saving women from prostitution.

Posted by: Gerry at November 22, 2009 10:00 PM (3G3F5)

193 Looks like the revelation of these emails is causing discomfort. This little article just out today looks like a desperate push to sucker any remaining weak-minded into the AGW religion.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 22, 2009 10:00 PM (jV9DU)

194 Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 09:53 PM (H3E0/)

Yeah, good points. I'm just impatient. :p

Posted by: tdpwells at November 22, 2009 10:04 PM (Ei3oZ)

195 Say what you will about Rick Moran, but he was awesome in Ghostbusters.

Posted by: Mr. Socko at November 22, 2009 10:05 PM (DtTM9)

196 How bad is it to cash in on a few funds/ 401k?

I cashed in one earlier this year. Penalty+taxes. Everyone is doing it to survive these days.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 10:21 PM (H3E0/)

197 The emails, data, and code need a lot more time for analysis.

Don't need to get into the weeds with phrenology.

Posted by: Druid at November 22, 2009 10:22 PM (Gct7d)

198 NYTimes: We Won't Publish "Statements that Were Never Intended for the Public Eye."Obviously a change from the days of classified CIA documents on the front page.Posted by: nickless at November 22, 2009 08:56 PM (MMC8r)
...and hostages that don't work for them.

Posted by: Bill R. at November 22, 2009 10:23 PM (EhlQq)

199 Looks like the revelation of these emails is causing discomfort.

Give it another couple of weeks soak time and we may see some edge players who were in fear of speaking up, start to.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 22, 2009 10:24 PM (H3E0/)

200 I just put a comment on that Air Vent site, thanking the FOIA people.

I smell a Brietbart style event coming. Because he figured out the best
way to break a scandal when the Media is in bed with the miscreants.

One can hope there will be additional data dumps; I guess they will be soon, since that Copenhagen circus is December 9-18 (look at all the adorable Penguins on their site! Well, at least they are adorable...)

While the main event is the debunking of this odious fraud, we will also be seeing a major chapter in the death of the MSM.

At some point, CNN and their ilk will have to stop reporting on polar bear deaths, etc. It will be the most delicious, sumptuous sublime schadenfreude EVAR!

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 22, 2009 10:25 PM (I2aaX)

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Posted by: ParisParamus at November 22, 2009 10:25 PM (I2aaX)

202 Six degrees of separation.

Anyone think Al Gump isn't in the email chain?

Posted by: eman at November 22, 2009 10:27 PM (pDVX4)

203 Ah, a reason to punch 'scientists'. I'm all for it.

Posted by: Corona at November 22, 2009 10:30 PM (+xghX)

204 #202, that would...oh, that would be...there are no words...

Posted by: ParisParamus at November 22, 2009 10:32 PM (I2aaX)

205 I knew Rick Moran was past it when he godwinned RS McCain over his treatment of Nidal Hasan's jihad ("the banality of the blogosphere" - cute, that). Not sure why he even calls his nut-hatch "right wing" anymore.

Posted by: Zimriel at November 22, 2009 10:33 PM (94eYr)

206
I just came back from rightwingnuthouse.com. That site has gone over to the dark side. I didn't know.

I used to enjoy the summary over there. But Rick Moran has jumped.
Reminds me of lgf. sucks now. No Wonder Americanthinker has not
published an article from him in a while.

Posted by: everyday at November 22, 2009 08:28 PM (LiDpC)
--Like where did he change? As in, what issues? That's a bummer.

Posted by: logprof at November 22, 2009 10:34 PM (I3Udb)

207 202 Six degrees of separation. Anyone think Al Gump isn't in the email chain?
Posted by: eman

For the last couple days since this broke that thought, that simple hope, gives me wood.

Posted by: drillanwr at November 22, 2009 10:37 PM (1kwr2)

208 In the end, I believe we will find out that the Sun shorted Soros.

Posted by: Jean at November 22, 2009 10:42 PM (xCBQ4)

209 "Will No One Rid Me of This Meddlesome Priest editor?"

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Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at November 22, 2009 10:46 PM (6kw0G)

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talking about above.

Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 07:44 PM

"Cahrsel Jhonsno" is an anagram. The doofus loves to google his own name to see who's "stalking" him.

When in doubt, check the hash

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The continent itself is driving around on the planet? Pretty damned likely then

Posted by: kbdabear at November 22, 2009 11:05 PM (sYxEE)

212 logprof 206: apart from slamming RS McCain for calling Hasan's shooting a jihad - which is now beyond debate - Moran is also a defeatist on health care, saying that socialism is inevitable ("a new reality"). This what I have noticed over a few short days 5-8 November. I haven't been back to check on his other opinions but frankly, I can get that bullshit from people copy-pasting LGF and Sullivan over here, why read yet another crappy blog for it?

On other news, I've learnt (by induction) that Michelle Malkin wants me locked up in a Caribbean prison, so I'm enjoying my few remaining weeks of freedom right now.

Posted by: Zimriel at November 22, 2009 11:05 PM (94eYr)

213 40

And I'm pretty shore Father Bend Over Cough here isn't a real priest.


Posted by: Blazer at November 22, 2009 07:59 PM

Maybe a ponytailed priest who sings "Dominique" while riding a bicycle

Posted by: kbdabear at November 22, 2009 11:18 PM (sYxEE)

214 But, How bad is it to cash in on a few funds/ 401k?
Posted by: lowest strata at November 22, 2009 09:58 PM (LiDpC)
Do you still work there? If so, take a loan from it. If not, well, taxes, penalties and loss of compound interest. If that's your only option, you gotta do what you gotta do, otherwise I'd look for another way.

Posted by: Bill R. at November 22, 2009 11:25 PM (EhlQq)

215 190 .....Ace was right when he called it the "Rosetta Stone".
OT, but has anyone heard commercials for "Rosetta Stone" language learning software where the female announcer pronounces the name with emphasis on "stone", as if referring to a person's name?
I suspect she has no clue what the phrase refers to.



Posted by: effinayright at November 22, 2009 11:50 PM (7M8Py)

216 #191,196
Bill in #214 is quite correct, try a loan on insurance policy or such before you go into your 401k. Whatever you do, don't try to make mortgage payments on an upside down house w/ the 401k. If It's coming to that, stop the mortgage payments and blow up all your credit cards. When you go Bankrupt, you will still have the 401k money along with cash you saved to make a fresh start. Legal advice is recommended, of course, but that is the Moron Way to survive the Great Recession!

Posted by: Financejoe at November 22, 2009 11:50 PM (T5CxX)

217 144 135 Michelle Malkin is calling for the heads of the hackers and demanding that they be prosecuted to "the fullest extent of the law".Citation, please. it's not at her site.

Posted by: effinayright at November 23, 2009 12:01 AM (7M8Py)

218 The climateaudit mirror site has a set of links discussing the HARRY_READ_ME.TXT file. This is a set of working notes that just destroy any potential credibility of these models. They were just tryingthings and if it looked right they took it. The guy who wrote the original model that produced a lot of the early bullshit graphs quit or left or someting, and poor Harry had to spend a lot of time trying to re-create the published graphs. The software and data is such a tangled POS thatHarry is reduced to guessing.

Posted by: motionview at November 23, 2009 12:06 AM (is1tF)

219 163: "No disagreement from me here in your assessment. I think the same thing, but if she [MM]is not articulate enough to distinguish the difference between the two events, then why do any of us pay any attention to her? "
>>>>A breathtakingly dumb argument , which seemingly goes like this: "I think she's being inconsistent here.Therefore she is always inconsistent andweshould all shun her (though for some reason you condemn one of the best in the blogosphere as "inarticulate".)
>>>>
"Maybe she needs to call for the retroactive prosecution of Oskar Schindler for violating Nazi labor laws, lying to officials, and bribery, you know, just to maintain consistency. Screw the greater good!"
>>>>Maybe you need to go read up on "strawman arguments".
Neither of you, nor Michelle, knows who hacked (or leaked) the files. An internal leaker might be protected under UK whistleblower laws. Who knows, for example, whether the person also sent the files to a UK agency to rat out the CRU people? Or what if his defense is, "I didn't send it to the authorities because I knew from the files that certain agencies would protect the CRU people, and not me." If the hacker is in Russia, are there any laws to be prosecuted "to the fullest extent of"?
Until all the facts come out, you're just riffing. Most likely, MM was just engaged in pro-forma boilerplate.
Or would you rather she verbally fist-bumped the hackers, and clearly contradict her stance vis a vis Palin?

Posted by: effinayright at November 23, 2009 12:23 AM (7M8Py)

220 Citation, please. it's not at her site.

It is, it's just one throwaway line meant to not encourage hackery. I think the original commenter overreacted.

Posted by: Methos at November 23, 2009 12:30 AM (CoDwG)

221 If the CRU code is anything like NOAA code, its shoddy and full of problems.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 23, 2009 12:34 AM (H3E0/)

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Posted by: Asia at November 23, 2009 12:45 AM (sYxEE)

223 Go to climate depot and follow some of the links. You will see the beginning of the global warming climate change apologists floodingthe site with their religious belief in algore theories. They have already started their campaign of disinformation and ridicule of those who dare to refer tothe leakede mails and data. They are relentless, they are many, they do not give up.

Posted by: Buffalobob at November 23, 2009 01:05 AM (ae0kj)

224 My guess and hope is that there is more to come from the hacker/leaker that took down HadleyCRU.

I am glad that these guys are going to be exposed during their lifetime. Karma is so good.

Posted by: Jack at November 23, 2009 01:24 AM (bvDV5)

225 @215: OT, but has anyone heard commercials for "Rosetta Stone" language learning software where the female announcer pronounces the name with emphasis on "stone", as if referring to a person's name?
---------
Is that the one where she carefully holds her hands out away from herself, as if she's afraid of touching herself or something?

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The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat