Weekend Gun Thread

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I like this young woman. I hope that her parents are proud of her. They did a fine job in raising her.

This week's feel good story of the week. Good gal 1 - Thug 0

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Legally armed citizens do make a difference.

>Civilians with Guns Intervening in Active Shooter Incidents -- the 2016 and 2017 Data
Data from the FBI's Active Shooter Incidents in the United States in 2016 and 2017 report; legal civilian gun carriers tried to intervene in 6 out of 50 incidents, and apparently succeeded in 3 or 4 of them.


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Once again his zits are covered by egg on his face.


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How do you prevent school shootings? You humble Cob says one way is to put capable cops in schools.


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Boeing improves the B-1B.


Feel free to discuss whatever firearm topics you would like to.

Extra targets, gift certificates from my favorite gun shop and .357 ammo can be sent to petmorons at gmail dot com.

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1 St

Posted by: ALH at May 20, 2018 07:20 PM (cAj82)

2 Nice shot

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at May 20, 2018 07:20 PM (R5lpX)

3
Pew, pew, pew!!!

Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 20, 2018 07:20 PM (4DCSq)

4 Boeing is adding some gun turrets to the B-1 that drop down out of the bomb bay.

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at May 20, 2018 07:21 PM (R5lpX)

5 Bone bristling with BFGs? Mericah! F yeah!

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 07:22 PM (Dp6qK)

6 Love the gun thread.

Also so glad that the food thread is below the fold. I've been battling a stomach bug for three days and the sight of any food is not good for me.

On any normal Sunday, I do love the food thread, too.

Posted by: squeakywheel at May 20, 2018 07:24 PM (3EilK)

7 How do we protect every single thing we value?
Men or women with badges and guns.
Metal detectors.
Plain clothes detectives.

We protect banks, courts, judges, art galleries, some hospitals, even post offices.

Why not schools?

Posted by: navybrat, chillin' and thrillin' at May 20, 2018 07:24 PM (w7KSn)

8 Had a heavy weapons dream last night, only 20mm but nice.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 07:24 PM (aC6Sd)

9 That article has more goodness.

The AC-130J will be the first to receive a laser weapon.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 07:25 PM (Dp6qK)

10 Considering buying a 1911 .45. Have a 9 mm and a .380. They have minimal recoil. I know the 45 slugs are larger and heavier, but have a slower velocity. Is there any appreciable recoil?

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 20, 2018 07:25 PM (9BLnV)

11 Mmmm...warm gun thread.

Finally made it out to the range today to play with the NM M14 the RMBS dad had built years ago. Shoots beautifully, and reminded me that the biggest problem is the dope behind the rifle, rather than the dope on it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 20, 2018 07:25 PM (UXke/)

12 You stop school shootings by making it legal for legal carriers to once again legally carry in buildings that suddenly become illegal just because someone decided it should be illegal.

Teachers don't even HAVE to carry, either. It just has to be legal for law abiding citizens to carry.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 07:26 PM (VgKNm)

13 My solution to stopping school shootings is stop teaching Leftism and go back to American history and the constitution

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 07:26 PM (aC6Sd)

14 Ok, Obi Weasel Kenobi, here we go. "Birthday presents" arrived yesterday. Comparator and micro seating die.
Two questions. First, I measured the ogive length on some hornady vmax and found some to have ogive length 3 thousandths short. That will make a diff, right?
Second to follow.

Posted by: RI Red at May 20, 2018 07:26 PM (naPOT)

Food Thread: Sheep, Organic Chemistry And Marbles

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Herb-crusted rack of lamb is one of those foods that I will eat whenever I can, but it is ridiculously expensive in restaurants, and so easy to make at home that I rarely (read: never) order it anymore. I saw it on the menu last night at a French restaurant in Manhattan. It was something like $48, which is just silly. I can go to Costco and buy excellent quality Australian lamb and make enough for six people for $48.

Sear the rack. Coat it with an herb mixture. Roast in a medium oven with a temperature probe set to your preferred doneness.

See? I told you it was easy. Just don't serve it with mint jelly, which is worse than serving French Toast with syrup.

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This looks interesting, and he isn't charging an obscene amount of money for his whiskey. It's about $50 at discount, which is a reasonable price for an interesting experiment.
20-Year-Old Whiskey in 6 Days: Will This Self-Taught Chemist Upend the Liquor Industry?
Why does a well-aged glass of smokey whiskey taste so good? It's all about the chemistry of sitting in a barrel for decades. "The polymer structures make the wood slowly fall apart," says Bryan Davis, a pioneering distiller who learned the science of liquor production by watching MIT classes on YouTube. "They shed all of these precursor chemicals that turn into different stuff that tastes really good." This time-consuming process is the reason distillers have to charge five figures for a top-shelf bottle.
I am however deeply suspicious of his explanation of the chemistry behind the transformation from raw whiskey to finished product. I think that there are too many variables for him to proclaim with any scientific confidence that he knows what's going on in his reaction vessels. Video lectures does not an organic chemistry expert make!

Any PhDs in organic chemistry out there who can weigh in on this?

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These kinds of articles are ubiquitous. Most are just click-bait, but one can find a few valuable nuggets. This one has a couple that are good ideas. The tomato-cutting hack is a good one. 20 Cheap Kitchen Hacks That Will Make You Master of Your Domain But mostly when I see these hacks I think, "Yeah, but there are a bunch of different ways to achieve the same result." I think most people find ways to streamline the few chores in the kitchen that are truly irritating or unpleasant to do, and simply manage the rest as part of the cooking process. Personally, I don't mind cutting grape tomatoes one by one. I rarely have to cut more than a cup or so of them, and unless I am in a big rush, the simple and satisfying process of using the correct tool (a sharp serrated blade) is part of the simple pleasure of cooking.
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Yeah....no.
Thermal Shock Porterhouse Steak
I really, really enjoy Alton Brown, but sometimes he gets too wrapped up in fine-tuning technique, and loses sight of the fact that changing technique is not always a good thing. Another way to make a porterhouse is to cook it the identical way Brown does in this recipe, only easier: in a cast-iron pan. You know, how cooks have been doing it for years and years, with marvelous results.
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I may have mentioned once or twice or 800 times that "fat is flavor." And that's why beautifully marbled prime beef is so good, and often prohibitively expensive for non trust-fund folk. It costs lots of money to fatten cattle, and only a small percentage of them turn out to be well-marbled enough to be graded as prime beef. But there are huge variations in that grade, and sometimes we at the retail end of the food chain get beef that is the equal of the best and most expensive stuff that is usually found only at great steakhouses and obscenely expensive boutique butchers.

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A few weeks ago I wandered past the butcher counter at my local supermarket and discovered an entire short loin of beef that, believe it or not, was even more beautifully marbled than the glorious stuff in the photo! I was a fool, and only got two steaks, which were perhaps the best beef I have ever eaten.

What's my point, besides that I was a idiot for not buying the whole thing? Use your eyes when you are shopping for meat. It is entirely possible that your local market's huge sale on steaks will include a few that are significantly better than the rest. Be particular...be picky...be a bit of a jerk if necessary. Poke through all of the packages. Ask to see the loin underneath the one on display. You will eventually get lucky and find a great steak at a manageable price. And this is true of pork too! For chicken? I have no idea. Is there some visible difference between good and great chicken?

Beuller?

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The Last Word is a cocktail, and until this morning I had never heard of it. It seems like it would be quite good, and I love the name...it is apropos for The Horde.
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I have been revisiting some of my well-used recipes, ones that I have posted here; sometimes more than once! So I will be, for the near future, a bit more selective in what I post as the recipe of the week, and sometimes, like today, skip it.
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Food and cooking tips, good mustard, Oakland style BBQ sauce, gefilte fish replacements, thick and fluffy pita and Browning Hi Powers: cbd dot aoshq at gmail dot com. Recipes for low-carb Pop-Tarts will be deleted with extreme prejudice.

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1 I have a biscuit recipe for everyone. Back in a minute.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 03:54 PM (VgKNm)

2 >Just don't serve it with mint jelly, which is worse than serving French Toast with syrup.
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I use a mixture of A1 and Heinz 57.

Posted by: pogomip at May 20, 2018 03:54 PM (vnB5M)

3 I don't know; I think The First Word seems like a more appropriate title for the Horde.

Posted by: bluebell at May 20, 2018 03:55 PM (oMtOd)

4 Or maybe The Bad Word, a link to which you can find at The Last Word link.

Posted by: bluebell at May 20, 2018 03:57 PM (oMtOd)

5 See? I told you it was easy. Just don't serve it with mint jelly, which is worse than serving French Toast with syrup.

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French Toast and syrup belong together like twins separated at birth. It's wrong not to reunite them.

But, mint jelly on lamb is too sweet. Better: mint sauce.

https://www.marthastewart.com/344484/fresh-mint-sauce

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 20, 2018 03:57 PM (pvjTE)

6 Lamb makes me ill but I love a good gyro.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 20, 2018 03:58 PM (EZebt)

7 I may have mentioned once or twice or 800 times that "fat is flavor."
And that's why beautifully marbled prime beef is so good, and often
prohibitively expensive for non trust-fund folk.

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I remember reading an interview with an old black guy Southern chef from thirty or forty years ago who said that if you don't get a bit of an upset stomach from all the fat, the steak didn't taste as good as it should've. That has stuck with me ever since.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 03:59 PM (VgKNm)

8 This time-consuming process is the reason distillers have to charge five figures for a top-shelf bottle.

Yeah, they don't have to, they just can. That's why scotch prices have skyrocketed recently.

Posted by: pep at May 20, 2018 03:59 PM (LAe3v)

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Lamb makes me ill but I love a good gyro.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 20, 2018 03:58 PM (EZebt)

Doesn't that have lamb in it?

And...is The Tadich Grill still alive and kicking? And has it decayed along with the rest of the city?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 03:59 PM (wYseH)

10 I told you it was easy. Just don't serve it with mint jelly, which is worse than serving French Toast with syrup.


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serving lamb with mint is a culinary mistake, serving French Toast with salt is a crime

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 04:00 PM (/U6eQ)

11 I like mutton better, preferably wild Colorado mutton. Lamb is not a favorite. Perhaps because I set the oven on fire with one time.

Posted by: Eromero at May 20, 2018 04:00 PM (zLDYs)

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The Last Word is a cocktail, and until this morning I had never heard of it. It seems like it would be quite good, and I love the name...it is apropos for The Horde.
Posted by: CBD at 04:00 PM


The recipe reminds a bit of a Gimlet: gin + Rose's sweetened lime juice

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 20, 2018 04:00 PM (5Yee7)

13 >>>Sear the rack. Coat it with an herb mixture.

Yeah but you've still got to french it.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 04:02 PM (/qEW2)

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Hadrian Meat Axiom No. 1: fat is delicious.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 04:03 PM (2YTv9)

15 "20 yeat old whiskey in 6 days"

Apostate!!

I'm drinking a PVW 20 after coming back from the range. No way that could be compared to some chemical mix.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 20, 2018 04:03 PM (J5Nd5)

16 The best part about a Last Word? (And, why it's a Horde favorite?)

"There will be no math."

It's an "equal parts" drink. Juice a lime. Notice how much juice there is. Use that much of the other 3 liquors.

No two-thirds-of-an-ounce or square-root-of-three jiggers of anything.

It's a drink you can mix right even if you're on your fourth one.

Posted by: mikeski at May 20, 2018 04:03 PM (JGBbg)

17 Lamb, when cooked correctly, is a marvelous thing.

Tonight I be making eye of round, sauteed spinach and baked tater.

Martinis of course, one olive.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 04:04 PM (EoRCO)

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Any PhDs in organic chemistry out there who can weigh in on this?

Mine is in inorganic chemistry. Braise your chicken with titanium tetrachloride before cooking.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 04:04 PM (2YTv9)

19 Yeah but you've still got to french it.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 04:02 PM (/qEW2)

NO!

Have you not been paying attention?

The meat on the bones is marvelous; fatty and unctuous and delicious.

Frenching anything (culinarily) is a no-no.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 04:04 PM (wYseH)

20 "Is there some visible difference between good and great chicken?"

Great chicken has a golden crispy crust.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 04:05 PM (UdKB7)

21 Axiom No. 1: fat is delicious.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 04:03 PM (2YTv9)

Axiom No. 2: See Axiom No. 1

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 04:06 PM (wYseH)

22 Lamb chops bone in on the grill. Delicious with a light Texas BBQ rub.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 20, 2018 04:06 PM (J5Nd5)

23 Years ago when I was a wee lass my dad brought a lamb to my grandmom's house. I was so thrilled to see the baby sheep, and could hear it bleating from its enclosure.

A few days later I went to visit her but heard no sounds coming from her holding cell. Actually it turned out she was on Death Row because daddy had brought her to grandmom's house to be the main course for Easter dinner.

Posted by: kallisto at May 20, 2018 04:06 PM (kD8Fh)

24 Related to the post below: Do we need to find the perfect popcorn accompaniment for the coming "Trumpening" (as indicated by his recent tweets)???

Maybe this? https://tinyurl.com/pt4qy7s


Or maybe.....caramel popcorn balls, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2018 04:06 PM (W+vEI)

25 19
Yeah but you've still got to french it
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 04:02 PM (/qEW2)

NO!



Leg successfully pulled.

Posted by: pep at May 20, 2018 04:06 PM (LAe3v)

26 The area where my parents were born is famous for its lamb on a spit, called "arrosticini".

They were delicious when I used to eat them, however the memory of the Death Row lamb haunts me still and I no longer touch the stuff.

Posted by: kallisto at May 20, 2018 04:07 PM (kD8Fh)

27 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 03:59 PM (wYseH)

Yes, I don't always eat what's best for me. There's a Greek place in Inner Sunset that does a good chicken gyro.

Yes, still there, but I haven't been in 15 years. It's probably covered in excrement like everything...

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 20, 2018 04:07 PM (EZebt)

28 For quite a few years now I've done most meats, steaks, ribs, chops, chicken, lamb, using sous vide. Also since finding a local butcher who sells whole primals I've taken to buying them and cleaning them up and cutting them as I want. So I look online to see how others, pros, cut up various primals.

Last winter I got a good deal on Top Sirloin primals and got some and looked for how to prepare them. This video (I'm just putting the title and name because I want to put a Youtube link later and at times comments can't have two links) "How to cut a sirloin into steaks" by William McCann.

In it he shows how there is one muscle, a triangular shaped cap called "coulotte", that should be removed first and steaked out separately as the grain in it runs opposite of the rest of the sirloin. I went online to find out how to sous vide this cut and found this delightful channel.

http://tinyurl.com/yb4of45w

"Sous Vide Everything"

It is done by a Brazilian guy living in south Florida. The Brazilian name for that coulotte steak is "Picanha." The videos are informative but even more they are fun, and funny too. And that's what I wanted to share.

Posted by: geoffb at May 20, 2018 04:07 PM (zOpu5)

29 Ate herb-encrusted lamb last night (at a restaurant) and it was spectacular.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 20, 2018 04:07 PM (rBnYq)

30 A few days later I went to visit her but heard no sounds coming from her holding cell. Actually it turned out she was on Death Row because daddy had brought her to grandmom's house to be the main course for Easter dinner.
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See, this is why I would make a lousy farmer's wife. I just couldn't bear this.

Posted by: bluebell at May 20, 2018 04:08 PM (oMtOd)

31 When Costco has lamb I often buy it and am never disappointed. Theirs is better than Whole Wallet's.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 20, 2018 04:08 PM (rBnYq)

32 Hadria the 7th @ 14--Fat is delicious.I NEVER trim cooked fat off anything. Prime rib? Bacon? Porkchop? Eat the whole thing. Well, noi bones, of course. I don't eat much chicken, but will attest that chicken soup can't be made without the fat.

Posted by: Eromero at May 20, 2018 04:08 PM (zLDYs)

33 I'm going to try my first spatchcock/butterfly chicken tonight. With butter, garlic and lemon. Any tips for a newbie?

Posted by: Infidel at May 20, 2018 04:09 PM (a3OL0)

34 Check it out, souped up limo:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcKXP3lkmJw


Not off topic. Soup.

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2018 04:09 PM (+lOpA)

35 I've eaten lots of stuffed grape leaves. No runs for me.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 04:09 PM (/qEW2)

36 arrosticini:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8ze2wh8

Posted by: kallisto at May 20, 2018 04:09 PM (kD8Fh)

37 Is there some visible difference between good and great chicken?

Good chicken looks like boneless, skinless chicken breasts, and great chicken looks like anything else?

Posted by: mikeski at May 20, 2018 04:09 PM (JGBbg)

38 31
When Costco has lamb I often buy it and am never disappointed.


Don't they always have lamb?

Posted by: pep at May 20, 2018 04:10 PM (LAe3v)

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Two Costco lamb racks, sprinkle garlic and herbes de Provence, cook at 350F for 1 hour. Comes with Her Majesty's Seal of Approval.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 04:10 PM (2YTv9)

40 Kallisto @ 26--I though the lambs were silent?

Posted by: Eromero at May 20, 2018 04:11 PM (zLDYs)

41 See, this is why I would make a lousy farmer's wife. I just couldn't bear this.



Posted by: bluebell at May 20, 2018 04:08 PM (oMtOd)


The first time I went to visit the folks in Italy, I had to get used to the animal umm, "scents", because at the time they still had a couple cows housed in the ground floor beneath the living quarters.

One morning I walked down to my aunt's house and the women were all busy cooking in the kitchen. There was this bigass stockpot with a cover on it, on the fire.

I took a peek and almost lost my lunch. It was some freakin' animal head with the damn deadeye staring up at me.

Posted by: kallisto at May 20, 2018 04:11 PM (kD8Fh)

42 What the hell is mint jelly?
Chop up a handful of mint leaves.
Crush with a little sugar.
Add just enough hot water to dissolve the sugar residue and vinegar to balance the taste.
Mint sauce.

Posted by: lotocoti at May 20, 2018 04:11 PM (s/OOz)

43 Made lamb curry for Mom for Muthah's Day. A boneless leg o' lamb was expensive but still cheaper than two entrees at a nice restaurant. Made stock from the bits I trimmed off and used it in lamb barley soup.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 04:11 PM (qJtVm)

44 A couple of years back a friend here in town built himself an Argentine grill/oven, using indirect heat to slow cook meats. It does wonderful things for beef, though you do need a steamship roast to get the full effect.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 20, 2018 04:12 PM (rBnYq)

45 I am however deeply suspicious of his explanation of the chemistry
behind the transformation from raw whiskey to finished product. I think
that there are too many variables for him to proclaim with any
scientific confidence that he knows what's going on in his reaction
vessels. Video lectures does not an organic chemistry expert make!
Any PhDs in organic chemistry out there who can weigh in on this?


There is a local guy who is working on the theory that the interaction of the raw whiskey or brandy with the wood is what is doing the maturing of the raw spirits into fine aged liquors. He is looking into re-manufacturing wood casks by re shaving the staves and rebuilding the casks so they hold 1/3 or 1/2 as originally so more liquor in percentage can be in contact with the wood.
He was also talking about shifting the barrels during the aging to increase the turn over of the raw spirits.

Never knew what he has done about that.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 04:12 PM (2K6fY)

46 Anyway after that I just stuck to eating pasta and whatever the aunties grew out of the ground.

Posted by: kallisto at May 20, 2018 04:13 PM (kD8Fh)

47 ..."See? I told you it was easy. Just don't serve it with mint jelly, which is worse than serving French Toast with syrup."

The first half of this sentence is Gospel. The second half is Rubbish.

I enjoy my custard pastries in-and-of-themselves as much as the next guy. I also abhor maple-flavored anything, minus good, pure syrup.

I'll meet you halfway and accept powdered sugar and strawberries as a reasonable substitute.

Mint Jelly should be nuked from orbit. It is a vile abomination upon the Only Two Jams and Jellies that exist in My World.

There is strawberry and there is grape. Those are the only two jellies that exist, period.

My ignorance knows no bounds and I will come to fisticuffs over it.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1), (T) at May 20, 2018 04:13 PM (Ckg4U)

48 Costco's pre-packaged chicken breasts and tenders are hard to beat. They come with two (three small sometimes) breasts per pouch, and six pouches per "pack." I think they're better than Tyson and some big names.

Costco's microwave popcorn is also the only kind I buy anymore.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 04:13 PM (VgKNm)

49 I have a good friend, a rock rib conservative, who is a catlle and sheep rancher in Montana.

They have an up hill fight competing with the Aussie and Kiwi's on lamb prices because there governments in effect subsidize that industry.

I only buy lamb if it is from the USA.

Consider helping our own first.

Thanks

Posted by: Charles Martel at May 20, 2018 04:13 PM (gp7Z8)

50 You beef and bourbon twinks ( is there such a thing?) are chapping my ass! Don't make me come over there and put a boot in your asses!

Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2018 04:14 PM (J7XgW)

51 A couple of years back a friend here in town built
himself an Argentine grill/oven, using indirect heat to slow cook meats.
It does wonderful things for beef, though you do need a steamship roast
to get the full effect.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 20, 2018 04:12 PM (rBnYq)


A fogon de lena. I am looking into making one of those. What did he build the stove out of? I am looking at the drum salvaged out of a clothes dryer, but I have seen them made with half a 55 gal drum.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 04:14 PM (2K6fY)

52 I find there's more flavor in the more expensive chicken. I don't buy organics though. I just want something that lived a bit longer than the chickens for the 89 cent hind quarters.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 20, 2018 04:14 PM (Lqy/e)

53 I age my moonshine for 4-6 days with charred Apple wood it comes out like an aged whiskey that even snobs day is pretty good.

Traditional alcohol is aged on white oak because the closed cellular structure of white oak made the best non leaking barrels.

The applewood had an open cell structure still I get a good transfer in an out of the wood.


Posted by: Thesgm at May 20, 2018 04:15 PM (Njq1s)

54 If you can sell me a whiskey or scotch or bourbon or what-not that has 95% of the flavor but none of the prestige at 1/3rd of the cost, sign me up. I'll pour that sucker into another bottle to satisfy my snooty friends (ha - not really) and call it a day.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 04:15 PM (VgKNm)

55
Fat is delicious. I NEVER trim cooked fat off anything. Prime rib? Bacon? Porkchop? Eat the whole thing. Well, noi bones, of course. I don't eat much chicken, but will attest that chicken soup can't be made without the fat.

Posted by: Eromero at May 20, 2018 04:08 PM (zLDYs)


Early in our long and otherwise happy marriage, I caught Her Majesty cheating on me by trimming the fat off a roast to give to the dogs. I now cook all beef, pork, lamb and chicken.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 04:15 PM (YJvTN)

56 As beef prices have gone up, I find myself buying more and more lamb.

It has opened up a whole new world of flavor and cuisine. Lamb stew, grilled lamb, baked lamb -- makes me forget about beef sometimes.

While everyone looks to the Greeks for lamb recipes, I would encourage you to look into the Lebanese recipes as well. They are very creative and adventurous.

Now, pass the ouzo.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 20, 2018 04:16 PM (ZSwEo)

57 I took a peek and almost lost my lunch. It was some freakin' animal head with the damn deadeye staring up at me.
Posted by: kallisto at May 20, 2018 04:11 PM (kD8Fh)
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Nope nope nope nope nopity nopity nope.

Nope.

Posted by: bluebell at May 20, 2018 04:17 PM (oMtOd)

58 'A fogon de lena'

Not gonna do it, not gonna do it...

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 04:17 PM (UdKB7)

59 I took a peek and almost lost my lunch. It was some freakin' animal head with the damn deadeye staring up at me.

Posted by: kallisto at May 20, 2018 04:11 PM (kD8Fh)


Hence the joke about the kid going down to the butcher and saying, "Mum says to buy a sheep's head, and leave the eyes in, since she says it has to see us through the week"

Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 04:19 PM (2K6fY)

60 Mortadella, girls. Can't make head cheese without a head.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 04:19 PM (C4Cm9)

61 There is a local guy who is working on the theory that the interaction
of the raw whiskey or brandy with the wood is what is doing the maturing
of the raw spirits into fine aged liquors. He is looking into
re-manufacturing wood casks by re shaving the staves and rebuilding the
casks so they hold 1/3 or 1/2 as originally so more liquor in percentage
can be in contact with the wood.
He was also talking about shifting the barrels during the aging to increase the turn over of the raw spirits.

Never knew what he has done about that.

Could this be him? My brothers have been aging cheap tequila for years in these and swear by it. I made some nice vinegar from them as well.

http://tinyurl.com/ybs6g4r7

Posted by: dartist at May 20, 2018 04:20 PM (nisXv)

62 Just don't serve it with mint jelly, which is worse than serving French Toast with syrup.
Still on about putting syrup on french toast, are yeh?
Commie.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at May 20, 2018 04:21 PM (j0Oc6)

63 Biscuit recipe that has been tinkered with and adapted from Jamie Dietrich's Buttermilk Biscuits:

2 cups all-purpose flour

1 tablespoon baking powder

1 teaspoon salt

1 tablespoon sugar

6 tablespoons frozen butter, cut into tiny cubes before placing in freezer (a bit more won't hurt anything)

1 cup buttermilk

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Preheat oven to 425

Take the cubed butter out of the freezer

Whisk together the flour, baking powder, salt and sugar. Using your fingers, work the butter into the flour until the flour resembles coarse meal. Find each chunk and squish it into the flour mixture. Keep searching and get them all, then crush entire handfuls of the flour mixture a few times.

Add the buttermilk and stir until the dough forms a ball and pulls away from the sides of the bowl.

Turn the dough onto a floured surface and knead 7-10 times (original recipe called for up to 20, but biscuits ended up too dense even using the low number). Using your hands, pat the dough into a disk about 3/4" thick. Use either a glass -- a tumbler for brown liquors works great -- or an open-top cutter. Dip cutting edge in flour every couple of biscuits to smooth the cut. Don't press the dough back down by using a cutter that is not deep enough or is closed on the top.

Grease the skillet with a pat of butter, but don't pre-heat it.

Brush off excess flour and place biscuits in a cast-iron skillet or a sheet pan. Bake at 425 degrees for 13 to 15 minutes, then switch to broil and cook for an additional minute to brown the tops. Brush them with butter before the last minute under broil if you'd like, but they'll brown fine under the heat.

* If you don't have buttermilk you can put a tablespoon of vinegar in a cup of milk, stir for a few seconds, and then let it sit for five minutes

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 04:21 PM (VgKNm)

64
Commie.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at May 20, 2018 04:21 PM (j0Oc6)
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Yeah, I think Berkeley rubbed off on him more than he lets on.

Posted by: bluebell at May 20, 2018 04:22 PM (oMtOd)

65 I got a new toy this week that I'm really liking. It's a Blackstone flat grill. Wow it is really great but I'm still learning.

Tonight is ribeye steaks, roasted vegetables (probably brussell sprouts) baked potato for Mrs Blutarski (I'm one of Ace's low carb Gainzzers) and a new recipe for pressure cooker artichokes.

I wonder if lamb chops are doable on the griddle?

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 20, 2018 04:22 PM (+Tibp)

66 I'm making a pork belly and kimchi soup just cause I had a hankering...I'm not even Korean

Posted by: lin-duh at May 20, 2018 04:23 PM (kufk0)

67 I found a cask company a couple of years ago. They have every size from 1 litre up. The cask makes a big difference on a lot of young wines.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 04:23 PM (C4Cm9)

68
Well, since Her Majesty is out of town I'm having pierogi for dinner.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 04:24 PM (YJvTN)

69 Not gonna do it, not gonna do it...
Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 04:17 PM (UdKB7)


In Portuguese it is fogon da lenha if you prefer.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 04:24 PM (2K6fY)

70
Nope nope nope nope nopity nopity nope.

Nope.
Posted by: bluebell at May 20, 2018 04:17 PM (oMtOd)
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Here, try my Stargazy Pie!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 04:24 PM (qJtVm)

71 My brother's restaurant in OKC made me the absolute best lamb chops I've ever had and I've had them a lot. Now I've heard the chef left so I'll find out Thursday if it still has the same magic.


Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 20, 2018 04:26 PM (+Tibp)

72 "In Portuguese it is fogon da lenha if you prefer."

In English it's Lena's stovepipe.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 04:26 PM (UdKB7)

73 Could this be him? My brothers have been aging cheap
tequila for years in these and swear by it. I made some nice vinegar
from them as well.

http://tinyurl.com/ybs6g4r7
Posted by: dartist at May 20, 2018 04:20 PM (nisXv)


No, but I will point this out to him. He is looking at remanufacturing leaky barrels from the local wineries before they toss them out.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 04:27 PM (2K6fY)

74 Damn. Did it anyway.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 04:27 PM (UdKB7)

75 Oh come on, Fench toast slathered in butter and maple syrup? Money

Posted by: Lucius Cornelius Sulla at May 20, 2018 04:27 PM (vW8Mk)

76 Another oak barrel company for aging whiskey.

http://tinyurl.com/yd3k7a4a



Posted by: dartist at May 20, 2018 04:27 PM (nisXv)

77 Bought a rack of lamb from Costco for $15 bucks. Did it sous vide with just a quick visit to a skillet with some herbs. Wife said it was maybe the best lamb she ever had.

Posted by: IanDeal at May 20, 2018 04:28 PM (5mrLG)

78 "Sous Vide Everything"


Posted by: geoffb at May 20, 2018 04:07 PM (zOpu5)I did a "Sous Vide Everything" video watching BINGE a couple of weekends ago. Couldn't stop watching! Love those guys and can't wait to try some of the techniques at home. The vids are really fun and they include Yuge Mistakes and even a prank or two. AmAAAAzing!

Posted by: Mongerel at May 20, 2018 04:28 PM (QkRei)

79 Any PhDs in organic chemistry out there who can weigh in on this?

Heck, we can't even get The Horde to agree on Dihydrous Oxide versus Oxygen Dihydride.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 20, 2018 04:28 PM (DMUuz)

80 See? I told you it was easy. Just don't serve it [lamb] with mint jelly, which is worse than serving French Toast with syrup.

*****

That's almost as bad as serving mashed potatoes with gravy!

Posted by: Taco Shack at May 20, 2018 04:29 PM (C+qQ0)

81 Had a grill triumph this week. Unfortunately, like much of my cooking, I will have some trouble replicating the results.

I've had my eye out for cheap beef and spotted arm roast at the grocery store in a nearby community for around $3.50 per pound. One package had significantly better marbling than the other two, so I bought that one.

I seasoned it with kosher salt and ground pepper and let it sit overnight in the fridge.

Next day, I set up the grill with fewer-than-normal briquettes. Actually, I put some unlighted briquettes on one side of the grill and added a layer of lighted ones on top. I browned the roast over the briquettes and then moved it to the other side of the grill to finish cooking.

I usually like my beef on the rare side of medium-rare, but I had read that the arm roast cut is better cooked low and slow and that it is more tender when it is more well-done since that gives the connective tissue more time to break down. I think I cooked it until the thermometer probe registered between 150-155 degrees.

I let it sit for 20 minutes and then sliced perpendicular to the grain.

It turned out pretty darn good! (Of course, beef on the grill is hard to beat.). It was even more tender than I was hoping for.

Yay, heat and beef!

Posted by: Emmie at May 20, 2018 04:29 PM (/A+Cl)

82 I'm pretty good on orgasmic chemistry.

Posted by: Shep at May 20, 2018 04:30 PM (UdKB7)

83 Kimchi and pork belly is Kimchi Jjigae

Here is a Chinese video about making it from scratch. (Hint, it starts with "pick napa cabbage on a misty morning . . ."

https://youtu.be/W4hvneKcPZI

Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 04:30 PM (2K6fY)

84 No, but I will point this out to him. He is looking at remanufacturing
leaky barrels from the local wineries before they toss them out.

My brothers re-charr the insides of their barrels after some time. I guess they lose the smoky oak flavor after awhile.

Posted by: dartist at May 20, 2018 04:30 PM (nisXv)

85 Ian Deal, what is the oven temp and what is the ideal internal temp of the lamb you shoot for?

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 20, 2018 04:31 PM (+Tibp)

86
Heck, we can't even get The Horde to agree on Dihydrous Oxide versus Oxygen Dihydride.

Posted by: Duncanthrax


*sniffs haughtily*

All well-bred people refer to it as Hydroxylic Acid.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 04:31 PM (siiv5)

87 I'm making a pork belly and kimchi soup just cause I had a hankering...I'm not even Korean


Posted by: lin-duh at May 20, 2018 04:23 PM


I needed some hatcho miso a few weeks back, but couldn't find any. I ran across some doenjang in HEB, and it's pretty darn good. I may convert.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 20, 2018 04:33 PM (DMUuz)

88
Conversation at Schloss Hadrian

Me (in kitchen): "Lamb is ready!"

HM (from bedroom): "Did you check the inside temperature? Should be 180."

Me: *checks, sees it's 165* "We're good. Come and get it."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 04:35 PM (siiv5)

89 32 Hadria the 7th @ 14--Fat is delicious.I NEVER trim cooked fat off anything. Prime rib? Bacon? Porkchop? Eat the whole thing. Well, noi bones, of course. I don't eat much chicken, but will attest that chicken soup can't be made without the fat.
Posted by: Eromero at May 20, 2018 04:08 PM (zLDYs)


I haven't figured it out yet, but some chicken fat tastes weird to me even though I love crispy, well rendered chicken skin. Are some types of chicken fat tastier than others?

Posted by: Emmie at May 20, 2018 04:36 PM (/A+Cl)

90 Having a scotch, Tomatin single Highland malt, very smooth.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 04:36 PM (aC6Sd)

91 Chicken fat can be wonderful if fried and capable of gagging someone if cooked in a crock pot.

Mmm, tender chicken fat.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 04:38 PM (VgKNm)

92 I havd come over to rare beef, lamb I'm not so sure. Isn't that child cruelty?

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 04:38 PM (aC6Sd)

93 Heck, we can't even get The Horde to agree on Dihydrous Oxide versus Oxygen Dihydride.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

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*sniffs haughtily*
All well-bred people refer to it as Hydroxylic Acid.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 04:31 PM


These well-bred people you speak of. They're the ones with Pt memberships, ampersand privilege, and wear pants to threads besides the Book Thread?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 20, 2018 04:39 PM (DMUuz)

94 I have a typo ' havd', and autocucumber has nothing to add, I type a name and autocucumber is all over it.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 04:40 PM (aC6Sd)

95 Another seductive, addictive, and droolworthy youtube cook is AlmazanKitchen. Everything is cooked outdoors, and you never see the man's face or hear his voice. Oh and he has a companion...an owl. You gotta see this with your own eyes because I can't even describe how gorgeous these videos are.

Posted by: Mongerel at May 20, 2018 04:40 PM (QkRei)

96 Here, try my Stargazy Pie!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 04:24 PM (qJtVm)
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*hork*

Posted by: bluebell at May 20, 2018 04:40 PM (oMtOd)

97 Yeah...I start my kimchi soup from pre-made kimchi from the local Korean market....no way I'm going to commifornia to pick cabbage at daybreak...sheesh. I'm no hipster!!

Posted by: lin-duh at May 20, 2018 04:41 PM (kufk0)

98 I long ago got veal often, but bet I haven't had it in 20 years.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 04:41 PM (aC6Sd)

99 US deplorably real blokes call it water.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 04:41 PM (hyuyC)

100 Emmie @ 89- It may (hell, probably is) the way the chicken is raised. Example--My Granny Eromero always said 'It is un-natural to take a chicken from biddie to frying pan in 6 weeks, the work of the devil.'. Granny was always right in things chicken.

Posted by: Eromero at May 20, 2018 04:44 PM (zLDYs)

101 I welded up a nice 30k LP burner, coming off my dual 1000 gallon doomsday tanks for my Generac 22K. Blowtorch from Hell. With an oversized seasoned steel wok I bought an auction, can do anything. $375 for a fire disc, don't think so

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 04:45 PM (Ymy4N)

102 the whiskey for u is "1835" a kentuck ee brew I buy in Cowtown, Texas that is.
#54 Moron Robbie

Posted by: cosmic debris at May 20, 2018 04:45 PM (WX+x0)

103 It's supposed to be good weather this week, so I am getting the Coleman camp stove out of storage this week. Hurray!

I am also going to search my local library for Paleo cookbooks. Online searches keep leading me to recipes involving coconut flour or other things I can't find locally. In the meantime, I'm winging it. I had pork ribs for breakfast yesterday. Best. Diet. Evah.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 20, 2018 04:46 PM (fxCK2)

104 Look for Colorado or Wyoming lamb. Much better flavor than NZ.

Posted by: lynndh at May 20, 2018 04:46 PM (N33+S)

105 The IUPAC naming convention for water is Dihydrogen oxide. Accept no substitutes.

I could go on. Any takers?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 04:46 PM (hyuyC)

106 Heck, we can't even get The Horde to agree on Dihydrous Oxide versus Oxygen Dihydride.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

*sniffs haughtily*
All well-bred people refer to it as Hydroxylic Acid.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 04:31 PM

These well-bred people you speak of. They're the ones with Pt memberships, ampersand privilege, and wear pants to threads besides the Book Thread?
Posted by: Duncanthrax


No platinum. Occasional pants. &s despite being a mostly-lurker.

And I prefer to call it "oxidane".

Posted by: mikeski at May 20, 2018 04:47 PM (JGBbg)

107
All this lamby goodness has reminded me this is the Whitsuntide Ember Week. Seafood on Wednesday, Friday and Saturday.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 04:48 PM (YxGqh)

108 the whiskey for u is "1835" a kentuck ee brew I buy in Cowtown, Texas that is.

#54 Moron Robbie

Posted by: cosmic debris at May 20, 2018 04:45 PM (WX+x0)


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Thanks. That sounds familiar but I've never bought it. I keep a bottle of Four Roses around most of the time because it has fit the bill. Cheap enough to not mind burning through a bottle when guests drop in for the weekend, and tasty enough that you're not ashamed to take it out of the cabinet.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 04:49 PM (VgKNm)

109
I havd come over to rare beef, lamb I'm not so sure.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 04:38 PM (aC6Sd)

I can eat lamb at any temperature, from bloody rare to well done.

But my preference is medium/medium rare. Any rarer than that and the meat seems a bit tough to me.

Also, lamb fat is particularly...greasy? So the warmer the better.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 04:50 PM (wYseH)

110 I remember as a pup reading my two genius sisters college textbooks, that organic chem is the about carbon. Dropped out of HS soon after

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 04:50 PM (Ymy4N)

111 whoever recommended that AlmazanKitchen..... good one...you almost got me to buy another knife....almost

Posted by: lin-duh at May 20, 2018 04:50 PM (kufk0)

112 >>Another seductive, addictive, and droolworthy youtube cook is AlmazanKitchen. Everything is cooked outdoors, and you never see the man's face or hear his voice.

Will have to check it out...Sounds like he may be like Argentinian chef Francis Mallmann? This dude in a serious outdoor cooking master,

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2018 04:51 PM (W+vEI)

113 Four Roses Single Barrel. I just went and looked. I'm sure there are others, but that's the one I've tried and stuck with.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 04:51 PM (VgKNm)

114 $375 for a fire disc, don't think so

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 04:45 PM (Ymy4N)

Photos please.

cbd dot aoshq at gmail dot com

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 04:52 PM (wYseH)

115 I've got about 20 people within 10 miles that raise sheep

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 04:52 PM (Ymy4N)

116 It seemed as I was writing it that $3.50 per pound was not as spectacular as I remembered from the grocery ad. Turns out it was $3 for a "family pack" and I missed the better deal. I didn't see any family packs and thought I had mis-remembered the correct price.

I'll have to be more observant next time.

Posted by: Emmie at May 20, 2018 04:53 PM (/A+Cl)

117 Discussing the scotch, supposed to have vanilla, marshmallow and lemon. Definitely vanilla aftertaste lemon not feeling marshmallow.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 04:54 PM (aC6Sd)

118 Lava flow is insane right now:

https://youtu.be/SN4ai47iNOE

Very photogenic, though, this is prime footage.

Posted by: t-bird at May 20, 2018 04:54 PM (FJXGr)

119 Redacted - well then your not in New Zealand, there are more sheep than people.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 04:55 PM (aC6Sd)

120 Any PhDs in organic chemistry out there who can weigh in on this?

PhDs are just louder versions of BS degree holders, so let this BSer weigh in --

Greater than 1/2 of 'expert opinions' about taste are full of shit. I point to the many blind taste tests of scotch, bourbon, and especially vodka, to see that the expensive shit is mostly in your fleabitten brains.

Oh, and I DON'T like a lot of fat in my meat cuts. Imma just gonna cut that crap out, or pretrim it first; if I want marbles I'll buy them by the bag.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 20, 2018 04:56 PM (0ogQG)

121 "...not feeling marshmallow."

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 04:54 PM (aC6Sd)

Sometimes the wine reviewers talk about toasted marshmallow flavors. Maybe that's what they mean? Because plain old marshmallow is not a flavor I seek out in anything, including marshmallows.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 04:56 PM (wYseH)

122 That lava video is awesome yet terrifying.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 04:57 PM (aC6Sd)

123 I DON'T like a lot of fat in my meat cuts. Imma just
gonna cut that crap out, or pretrim it first; if I want marbles I'll
buy them by the bag.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 20, 2018 04:56 PM (0ogQG)

Do you put maple syrup on your steak?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 04:57 PM (wYseH)

124 Because plain old marshmallow is not a flavor I seek out in anything, including marshmallows.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 04:56 PM (wYseH)
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That's because you never had my homemade marshmallows. There's a world of difference.

Posted by: bluebell at May 20, 2018 04:57 PM (oMtOd)

125 119 Redacted - well then your not in New Zealand, there are more sheep than people.
Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 04:55 PM (aC6Sd)

In the Berkshires, there are more assholes than sheep, doesn't mean there popular

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 04:58 PM (Ymy4N)

126 I think I only had lamb once, long ago and not sure where.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 04:59 PM (aC6Sd)

127 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 04:52 PM (wYseH)

I'm on it. Clamshell owner calling friend with smartphone

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 04:59 PM (Ymy4N)

128 Buffalo Trace, in my opinion, is better than 1835 or Rebecca Creek Robbie, my good moron.

Posted by: Eromero at May 20, 2018 04:59 PM (zLDYs)

129 126 I think I only had lamb once, long ago and not sure where.
Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 04:59 PM (aC6Sd)

Mrs. REDACTED makes lamb shanks every week. One of the high points of the week.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 05:01 PM (Ymy4N)

130 Buffalo came up this week, I know you can get ground buffalo ( american Bison Bison) at the grocery store and want to get it to grill a hamburger. Any thoughts?

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:02 PM (aC6Sd)

131 Homemade marshmallows are a pita but yeah, a world of difference.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 05:03 PM (VgKNm)

132 Gotta try another glass and see if Toasted Marshmallow is there.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:03 PM (aC6Sd)

133 Suns out, PINA COLODAS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I love finishing off 3-4 Pinas with a couple of Vanilla Ice Cream Brandy Alexanders

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 05:04 PM (Ymy4N)

134 Have never grilled bison but have had it a few times. Very tasty. I want to say you may need to mix a bit of beef or sausage in to add fat for the burgers.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 05:05 PM (VgKNm)

135 123 Do you put maple syrup on your steak?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


I won't rule it out without trying it. People put all kinds of crap on their high end steak, including 'herb butter', 'kosher salt', 'pepper', and the John Kerry special 'Heinz 57'.

H8ter.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 20, 2018 05:05 PM (0ogQG)

136 Bison can be very lean but it has a nice flavor.

Posted by: lin-duh at May 20, 2018 05:06 PM (kufk0)

137 Buffalo Trace, in my opinion, is better than 1835 or Rebecca Creek Robbie, my good moron.

Posted by: Eromero
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Thanks. I resupply every few months and will put them all on the list.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 05:06 PM (VgKNm)

138 Skip, pan fry the buffalo, you'll be happier. There is no fat.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 05:07 PM (C4Cm9)

139 Gotta try another glass and see if Toasted Marshmallow is there.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:03 PM (aC6Sd)

SCIENCE!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 05:07 PM (wYseH)

140 128 Buffalo Trace, in my opinion, is better than 1835 or Rebecca Creek Robbie, my good moron.


Posted by: Eromero


Buffalo Trace, I must concede, is a damn fine bourbon.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 20, 2018 05:07 PM (0ogQG)

141 fuck, I always get home just in time for the food threat and there is no food at my house? A mouse would starve. Woe is me. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2018 05:08 PM (SjImc)

142 H8ter.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 20, 2018 05:05 PM (0ogQG)

Syrupist!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 05:08 PM (wYseH)

143 Do you put maple syrup on your steak?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

I put maple syrup on a paper plate all by itself and lick it. That's how I roll

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2018 05:09 PM (SjImc)

144 Buffalo...Any thoughts?

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:02 PM (aC6Sd)

I like it. It has a different flavor than ground beef, but it's pretty similar.

If it looks really lean, grate some frozen butter into the meat and mix it around. That's a good way to add fat (and flavor!).

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 05:10 PM (wYseH)

145 I found a BBQ joint just minutes from Andrews. Not the fanciest but the beer is cold, the regulars are funny, and the food is pretty damn good for the price. And the TVs are big and only play sports

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2018 05:10 PM (SjImc)

146 When dad shot his Buffalo the rancher/outfitter butchered it as part of the package. He recommended adding olive oil to the ground buffalo for hamburgers. Of course I went Pffft and used saved bacon drippings instead. Tasty burgers but they were a bit crumbly, needed to be in a grill pan for fish not just on the grill rack.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at May 20, 2018 05:11 PM (84F5k)

147 there is no food at my house? A mouse would starve.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2018 05:08 PM (SjImc)

I think I might have to start bringing care packages to Nevergiveup.

It sounds like his cats eat better than he does.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 05:12 PM (wYseH)

148 I think I might have to start bringing care packages to Nevergiveup.

It sounds like his cats eat better than he does.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 05:12 PM (wYseH)

Some patients do. I prefer the Arab and Italian patients do that. The Protestants, Jews, and Episcopalians not so muchy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2018 05:14 PM (SjImc)

149 always try a new brew and 4 roses it is. Thanks Moron Robbie and as mrs cosmic debris said , whiskey is whiskey.

Posted by: cosmic debris at May 20, 2018 05:14 PM (WX+x0)

150 I used to cook in lot of chilli competitions and when my neighbor could supply it, I used Elk and beef suet.


Absolute killer chili. Stanley Marsh told me it was the best he had ever had. I would serve it at home with a shortbread for close friends. I always had ristras from Taos ski trips hanging around to make my ancho paste. I really miss my ambition I had. Getting old sucks

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 05:17 PM (Ymy4N)

151 Let me tell you where the food truly sucks ... American Airlines on the way to Japan.

I'd give my left nut for a package of ham and some rye bread right about now.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 05:17 PM (hswMf)

152 I just returned yesterday from a vacation and there's darn little in the fridge.

Had some bacon and a glazed donut vodka shot for dinner.

It was surprisingly sustaining.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 05:17 PM (qJtVm)

153 Had some bacon and a glazed donut vodka shot for dinner.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 05:17 PM (qJtVm)


That is so hawt.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 05:19 PM (hswMf)

154 And the TVs are big and only play sports
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2018 05:10 PM


Please send us their contact information.

Posted by: This. Is. CNN. at May 20, 2018 05:20 PM (C5O8S)

155 >>Buffalo Trace, in my opinion, is better than 1835 or Rebecca Creek Robbie, my good moron.




Posted by: Eromero

Buffalo Trace, I must concede, is a damn fine bourbon.


Posted by: GnuBreed
At a reasonable price and due to that it has become very difficult to find around these parts.

Posted by: Aviator at May 20, 2018 05:21 PM (2cuLk)

156 Let me tell you where the food truly sucks ... American Airlines on the way to Japan.

I'd give my left nut for a package of ham and some rye bread right about now.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 05:17 PM (hswMf)

Japan Air from Tokyo to NYC ain't much better

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2018 05:23 PM (SjImc)

157 And the TVs are big and only play sports
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2018 05:10 PM

Please send us their contact information.
Posted by: This. Is. CNN. at May 20, 2018 05:20 PM (C5O8S)

Hey CNN it's all Military and Ex-Military, forgetAboutIt

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2018 05:24 PM (SjImc)

158 Let me tell you where the food truly sucks ... American Airlines on the way to Japan.

Only twenty hours to go! There may be some more peanuts if you check in your seat cushion.

Posted by: t-bird at May 20, 2018 05:24 PM (nBBdT)

159 Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 05:17 PM (hswMf)

Japan Air from Tokyo to NYC ain't much better
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2018 05:23 PM (SjImc)


And they try to fancy it up NGU ... and that just makes it worse.

Keep it simple peeps.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 05:26 PM (hswMf)

160 I don't like lamb. That doesn't mean others can't like it.

Posted by: Ronster at May 20, 2018 05:29 PM (A1zPZ)

161 Japan Air from Tokyo to NYC ain't much better
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 20, 2018 05:23 PM (SjImc)

I was flying first class to London from Dallas on Braniff in the late 70's early 80's with the help of my in law Braniff exec.

5 times a year. In Dallas go to Happy Hour and get sloshed board plane 7pm cst, drink the best booze you can think of and great food. Land in the morning, Drunk on my ass in south Ken. That was living

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 05:29 PM (Ymy4N)

162 160 I don't like lamb. That doesn't mean others can't like it.
Posted by: Ronster at May 20, 2018 05:29 PM (A1zPZ)


What I tell everyone about natto, just haven't had it prepared right

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 05:31 PM (Ymy4N)

163 Is the taste difference between air-chilled chicken and cold-water dunked chicken significant?

Posted by: mrp at May 20, 2018 05:32 PM (Pqytn)

164 In the Berkshires, there are more assholes than sheep, doesn't mean there popular
Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 04:58 PM


Well, that's, like, your opinion, man.

Posted by: Shep, aka "El Duderina" at May 20, 2018 05:32 PM (C5O8S)

165 I'm installing a new exhaust stack for my evaporator. So I can make maple syrup for all the French Toasts.

Posted by: Muad'dib at May 20, 2018 05:34 PM (BJYIf)

166 Speaking of food, a bear just wandered through the yard.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 20, 2018 05:34 PM (c/EDo)

167 Nato sounds nasty.

Posted by: Ronster at May 20, 2018 05:35 PM (A1zPZ)

168 You call this a food thread?! More like a Light Snack Thread!

Posted by: Michael Moore at May 20, 2018 05:37 PM (WU8si)

169 Hey everybody.

Don't know if it quite blends in with the topic of food, but Starbucks just announced they're now a free hotel for the homeless.

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/05/20/starbucks-woke-way-business/

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 20, 2018 05:38 PM (eMKNe)

170 Posted by: Shep, aka "El Duderina" at May 20, 2018 05:32 PM (C5O8S)

I was told there would be no thinking on blog

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 05:38 PM (Ymy4N)

171 Time to make the chicken.

Posted by: Infidel at May 20, 2018 05:38 PM (a3OL0)

172 Nothing better than an after dinner cigar.

Since we're talking about cigars, my humidor humidity level shot up past 80% which troubles me. This troubles me, indeed.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 05:39 PM (MVjcR)

173 Chemically speaking, my hash stinks.

Posted by: Shep at May 20, 2018 05:39 PM (C5O8S)

174 Not saying my cat eats better, ok sometimes the same food, but she and when alive her sister always had fish on Friday and chicken on Sunday.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:39 PM (aC6Sd)

175 Let me tell you where the food truly sucks ... American Airlines on the way to Japan.

Only twenty hours to go! There may be some more peanuts if you check in your seat cushion.
Posted by: t-bird


And if you crash: Free seafood! All you can eat! :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 20, 2018 05:39 PM (eMKNe)

176 167 Nato sounds nasty.
Posted by: Ronster at May 20, 2018 05:35 PM (A1zPZ)

Nato is nasty. However, natto is delicious. Breakfast of champions

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 05:40 PM (Ymy4N)

177 Any PhDs in organic chemistry out there who can weigh in on this?

Not here, but I do play one on the internet.

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that you can closely approximate the taste of barrel-aging through lab chemistry. I would presume that most if not all of the reactions are already well characterized. The work comes in creating the taste-giving compounds, economically, and applying them in proper proportion.

It's not magic, but art. But there is science behind the art, and that same science could likely be replicated without all the artsy, fartsy pretension.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 05:40 PM (Dp6qK)

178 And for all you wacky recipe contributors, I just wrote checks for $750 each to Fisher House and Toys for Tots.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 05:40 PM (MVjcR)

179 I assume if lamb is so good, why smother it with mint, which I don't like.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:42 PM (aC6Sd)

180 20 Cheap Kitchen Hacks That Will Make You Master of Your Domain


I'm out!

Posted by: Kramer at May 20, 2018 05:42 PM (Dp6qK)

181
The live stream of the volcano is literally awe inspiring.

The rooster in the background audio sounds like he would prefer to be any other place.

Next X-Games event: Asbestos kayak on the lava flow!

Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 20, 2018 05:43 PM (4DCSq)

182 169 Hey everybody.

Don't know if it quite blends in with the topic of food, but Starbucks just announced they're now a free hotel for the homeless.

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/05/20/starbucks-woke-way-business/
Posted by: qdpsteve at May 20, 2018 05:38 PM (eMKNe)

Well, looks like I don't have to look around for a new house once my lease runs out.

Posted by: Surfperch at May 20, 2018 05:43 PM (WU8si)

183 CBD, where are those steaks you pictured from, by any chance? :-)

Someday soon I'll be getting myself some more prime beef at Costco...

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 20, 2018 05:43 PM (eMKNe)

184 Weasel

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:44 PM (aC6Sd)

185 Surfperch, yup!

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 20, 2018 05:44 PM (eMKNe)

186 Sill have up the live feed of the volcano, amazing.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:45 PM (aC6Sd)

187
Rockford Flies is on. It's the episode with James Woods and Fish (Barney Miller).

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 05:45 PM (Er5TT)

188 I use to watch Rockford religiously in high school

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:47 PM (aC6Sd)

189 Weasel, how many units sold so far?

(I love saying "units", like a marketing douche, instead of "books", like a normal human being.)

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 05:47 PM (qJtVm)

190 More of a vodka fan but still #120 is correct as to tasting the difference. But MadDog 20-20 is still in a class of its own.
My organic PhD tells me that Mr. Distiller who watches MIT videos is full of shit.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at May 20, 2018 05:47 PM (QMwOT)

191 Any PhDs in organic chemistry out there who can weigh in on this?




I'm not a chemist, but here's one way to make scotch rather quickly:



https://youtu.be/e4QNBypC9vs

Posted by: Bert G (@BertG on Gab) at May 20, 2018 05:49 PM (yzxic)

192 I like lamb with mint jelly.

Or lamb with rice and raisins. That's very nice.

I can't each much of it, though. I get tired of lamb very quickly, unlike beef.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 05:50 PM (xJa6I)

193 I'l have to admit that when the Big Y puts 12 oz SB house blend beans on sale for $4.99, I bag 6 months worth. With my well water and a cheap $15 Mr Coffee brewer, a helluva of black, stiff coffee.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 05:51 PM (Ymy4N)

194 I like lamb with mint jelly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 05:50 PM (xJa6I)


How about with maple syrup ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 05:52 PM (hswMf)

195 At Knebworth festival where I saw Led Zepplin the first weekend I had a bottle of Mad Dog 20-20, finished it all that day.slept under a bush at the train station that might as couldn't get out because of the crowd. Remember had the worse hamburger in my life, maybe two that day. Thought they were really mad of ham they were so bad.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:52 PM (aC6Sd)

196 And for all you wacky recipe contributors, I just wrote checks for $750 each to Fisher House and Toys for Tots.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 05:40 PM (MVjcR)


Makes me smile!

Posted by: Infidel at May 20, 2018 05:52 PM (a3OL0)

197 194 I like lamb with mint jelly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 05:50 PM (xJa6I)

How about with maple syrup ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 05:52 PM (hswMf)

That I have not tried. Or not deliberately. Denny's does have a steak and egg meal...hmm....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 05:53 PM (xJa6I)

198 I always wanted to set up a Soxhlet extractor system with the thimble full of fresh decolorizing carbon and some peat. Then run 95% ethanol through it for a number of hours.

The resulting liquid would be diluted with deionized dihydrogen oxide. I am sure friends of mine would taste test it.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 05:53 PM (hyuyC)

199 Might is night, my mistake.
Type, read, post

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:54 PM (aC6Sd)

200 Oh and MD 20-20 is in a class of its own, extremely bad

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:55 PM (aC6Sd)

201 The resulting liquid would be diluted with deionized dihydrogen oxide.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 05:53 PM (hyuyC)


Sounds like something fish would fuck in. Tread lightly.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 05:55 PM (hswMf)

202 I've had lamb in restaurants before, and I've never been impressed by the fare by any means. It's not bad, but there's something not quite right between what I hear and what I experience. Is lamb supposed to be bland and unremarkable? I've never experienced lamb that would make me want or crave more lamb.
Please try the veal.

Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2018 05:55 PM (J7XgW)

203 197 194 I like lamb with mint jelly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 05:50 PM (xJa6I)

How about a lamb shank sticking out of Hedy Lamar's ass ??

That I can eat, everyday of the fucking week

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 05:55 PM (Ymy4N)

204 Yum! That looks like my MIL's lamb.
She did serve a mint sauce on the side for those who like it --- oil, drippings, mint, whatever. And I know that mint was one of the herbs she used for the crust but it was subtle.

I wish I had written it all down.
She gave me a lot of her recipes and left me her cookbooks.
But there are so many things she did I wish I had written down. *sigh*

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 20, 2018 05:56 PM (0jtPF)

205 203 197 194 I like lamb with mint jelly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 05:50 PM (xJa6I)

How about a lamb shank sticking out of Hedy Lamar's ass ??

That I can eat, everyday of the fucking week
Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 05:55 PM (Ymy4N)

Hedy or Hedly Lamar? Because that changes my answer.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 05:56 PM (xJa6I)

206 Somebody made a map that shows where they're filming the lava from:

https://a.bjfu.pics/cngaag.jpg

Posted by: t-bird at May 20, 2018 05:57 PM (y3sT9)

207 Hedy or Hedly Lamar? Because that changes my answer.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 05:56 PM (xJa6I)

We have a Hedly and a Hedy, the Hedly would be good for you.

Posted by: TY WEBB at May 20, 2018 05:58 PM (Ymy4N)

208 Congratulations for The Deplorable Gourmet.

What a fine thing this turned out to be.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 05:58 PM (C4Cm9)

209 178 And for all you wacky recipe contributors, I just wrote checks for $750 each to Fisher House and Toys for Tots.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 05:40 PM (MVjcR)
---------------------------------
Good news!!!!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 20, 2018 05:58 PM (0jtPF)

210 We raise Black Hawaiian and Corsican hair sheep (related to the Barbados). They are a "wild" hair sheep that does not require shearing. The meat on these sheep is very mild compared to the usual white woolies. If the sheep is >18 months old, the meat can be tough, sowe grind it to make a marvelous, tender meat loaf or pan sausage!

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at May 20, 2018 05:59 PM (tWi1/)

211 Kinda' disappointed ScoggDog's Home for Wayward Firearms didn't make the Charity List ... but it's cool.

It's cool.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 05:59 PM (hswMf)

212 I look forward to Starbucks SJWing themselves right out of bizness.

Can't happen soon enough.

A man can dream.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 06:01 PM (EoRCO)

213 178 And for all you wacky recipe contributors, I just wrote checks for $750 each to Fisher House and Toys for Tots.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 05:40 PM (MVjcR)
* * * * *

Yay! And double yay!

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at May 20, 2018 06:03 PM (tWi1/)

214 Not to defend Starbucks but the Starbuckses I frequent are staffed by friendly young women and also by other people I enjoy shooting the shit with.
Nary a hipster douchebag in sight.
Yes, their coffee is seriously overpriced.

Posted by: Northernlurker but call me Teem. at May 20, 2018 06:05 PM (nBr1j)

215 189 Weasel, how many units sold so far?

(I love saying "units", like a marketing douche, instead of "books", like a normal human being.)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 05:47 PM (qJtVm)
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I do too! For,the same reason!
2,350 units!!

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:06 PM (MVjcR)

216 208 Congratulations for The Deplorable Gourmet.

What a fine thing this turned out to be.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 05:58 PM (C4Cm9)
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Thanks to all of YOU.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:08 PM (MVjcR)

217 207 Hedy or Hedly Lamar? Because that changes my answer.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 05:56 PM (xJa6I)

We have a Hedly and a Hedy, the Hedly would be good for you.

Posted by: TY WEBB at May 20, 2018 05:58 PM (Ymy4N)


Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

What's all this?

Posted by: Seattle City Council at May 20, 2018 06:10 PM (Dp6qK)

218 PhDs are just louder versions of BS degree holders...

No. So much no.

Posted by: pep at May 20, 2018 06:10 PM (LAe3v)

219 PSA:
People - clean out your bathroom exhaust fans. No kidding. They're apparently a big cause of house fires when the motor gets covered with lint and overheat. I just looked at the one in our master bath and disgusting is an understatement. It only takes a few minutes and could save your ass.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:12 PM (MVjcR)

220 Bull Shit

More Shit

Piled higher and Deeper

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 06:13 PM (hswMf)

221 Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:12 PM (MVjcR)


Another upside to being a bachelor: I've never turned mine on.

Posted by: Bert G (@BertG on Gab) at May 20, 2018 06:13 PM (yzxic)

222 211 Kinda' disappointed ScoggDog's Home for Wayward Firearms didn't make the Charity List ... but it's cool.

It's cool.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 05:59 PM (hswMf)
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It was certainly a finalist.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:13 PM (MVjcR)

223 PSA POINT OF CLARIFICATION:
All of the disgusting lint stuff came off WeaselWoman.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:14 PM (MVjcR)

224 All of the disgusting lint stuff came off WeaselWoman.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:14 PM (MVjcR)


As is their wont ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 06:17 PM (hswMf)

225 Lamburgers with a thin slice of red onion.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 06:18 PM (C4Cm9)

226 The lamb looks yummy. I like lamb with mint sauce, too.

Well, back on the WinXP drive, loaded into the eMachine. It's working, other than no right channel audio. The Win7 drive seems to be kaput, and so does the MB it was in when it died. The XP drive did try to work when I regressed the other machine back to the old MB, but demanded activation. Which I didn't do, because I was only interested in testing the drive/MB combo. The Win7 drive would not run on that MB, either.

What I need to do is to get a machine running with the FAT32 filesystem, and connect the bad drive as a slave, and see if I can read any files off it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 20, 2018 06:20 PM (dOgJt)

227 Yay! Food thread!

Made some nice braised lamb shank yesterday for today's lunch. Used a ridiculously easy recipe I found somewhere for braised rabbit.

Season shanks with sp, sear, and place in roasting pan. For about 3 pounds of meat, add 8 small sprigs of fresh rosemary, 8 cloves of garlic, 2 crumbled up sweet Italian sausages, and about 1.5 cups of a good white. I used Chardonnay, the recipe calls for pinot gris. Tomayto, Tomahto....Anyway, cover tightly with foil, make a few slits in the foil and pop in the oven for about 2 hours. With rabbit, the resulting pan juices will be almost fat free. For lamb shank, I strained the juices, defatted them, then put the garlic back and pureed with an immersion blender and finished with a little butter. It was good.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 20, 2018 06:21 PM (UXke/)

228 if the recipe called for a "good white", why on earth did you use a chardonnay?

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 20, 2018 06:27 PM (QDw86)

229 I DON'T like a lot of fat in my meat cuts. Imma just
gonna cut that crap out, or pretrim it first; if I want marbles I'll buy them by the bag.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 20, 2018 04:56 PM

Only kind of steak I'll buy is the London Broil, first cut of the round. It's narrow and kinda looks like an elongated kidney. Marbling grosses me out.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at May 20, 2018 06:27 PM (2NqXo)

230
if the recipe called for a "good white", why on earth did you use a chardonnay?


Posted by: redc1c4 at May 20, 2018 06:27 PM


It was all I had in the house and I didn't feel like going out for anything else. Don't judge me.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 20, 2018 06:29 PM (UXke/)

231 Starbucks will probably still do okay where they are serving people inside supermarkets, or adjoined to bookstores... although the chain bookstores are failing too.

The franchisees, if they're smart, better take out loans to buy out their contracts. Or they're going to take it in the ass.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 20, 2018 06:30 PM (6FqZa)

232 "The Last Word" is a great cocktail.

Well worth the relatively pricey liqueurs used to make it.

It's one of our Prime Entertainment Cocktails.

Everyone loves it.

If you're a good, fun guest with good conversation, you get a "Last Word" at Chez naturalfake.

If your not, you get a Zima from a box that been sitting aging in our garage for the last ten years.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 20, 2018 06:30 PM (ZSkht)

233 how much have we donated all together?

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 20, 2018 06:30 PM (QDw86)

234 Completely OT but Jackie Chan has a sci-fi movie coming out

https://youtu.be/PycUqhQxR1Y

Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 06:31 PM (2K6fY)

235 You bastiches with all your marbling talk. Had to pull out a t-bone. Now grill-ready with sweet potato and sautéed mushrooms. And a fine CardBoardeaux.

Posted by: RI Red at May 20, 2018 06:31 PM (naPOT)

236 Sauvenion Blanc is a good alternative

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:31 PM (aC6Sd)

237 233 how much have we donated all together?
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 20, 2018 06:30 PM (QDw86)
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$6,500 total. $3,250 each to Fisher House and Toys for Tots.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:33 PM (MVjcR)

238 It was all I had in the house and I didn't feel like going out for anything else. Don't judge me.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 20, 2018 06:29 PM (UXke/)
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i won't.

we occasionally have it in the house too, when it comes in a wine club shipment... but only until we give it away. just like we have a bottle of rose on hand right now.

some neighbor is gonna get lucky, likely the GILF next door.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 20, 2018 06:34 PM (QDw86)

239 Venezuela is going to the polls, blindfold me and have me try to guess who will win

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:35 PM (aC6Sd)

240 What I need to do is to get a machine running with the FAT32 filesystem, and connect the bad drive as a slave, and see if I can read any files off it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 20, 2018 06:20 PM (dOgJt)

Get a live linux CD - I like linux lite - and a caddy to connect up the drive. Boot from CD, connect the drive per instructions, peruse files until your heart's content.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 06:35 PM (Dp6qK)

241 And a fine CardBoardeaux.

Posted by: RI Red at May 20, 2018 06:31 PM (naPOT)


Atta' boy. Real men stack their wine. Don't let 'em tell ya' any different.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 06:36 PM (hswMf)

242 179 I assume if lamb is so good, why smother it with mint, which I don't like.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:42 PM (aC6Sd)

++++

smother = no
drizzle a little bit of mint *sauce* (not jelly)= yes

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 20, 2018 06:37 PM (pvjTE)

243 Personally I like some of the Starbuckses I've been to, thought others were uncomfortable. The main reason Starbucks are uncomfortable is that it is close to a bum zone*. Like Pearl Street here. Those stores will remove their nice chairs.

If Starbucks becomes a bum magnet across the nation, then I can easily see local municipalities giving franchisees a hard time.

*I am deliberately distinguishing between a lazy bum and the honest migrant hobo

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 20, 2018 06:37 PM (6FqZa)

244 Mint jelly and sharp cheese is good together. Or is it pepper jelly? Might be pepper jelly.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:38 PM (MVjcR)

245 PSA:
People - clean out your bathroom exhaust fans. No kidding. They're apparently a big cause of house fires when the motor gets covered with lint and overheat. I just looked at the one in our master bath and disgusting is an understatement. It only takes a few minutes and could save your ass.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:12 PM


What if you have incriminating evidence throughout your entire home and a fire in an exhaust fan would provide the exact level of cover you need?

Posted by: HC from Chappaqua NY at May 20, 2018 06:38 PM (LOgQ4)

246 Hey!

I think I've found one other way Trump has made all things better in this- The Glorious Age of Trump.

It's easy to buy nice steaks now for good prices. Pretty much every week, I can wander into the local Kroger's and find a near Prime Choice Ribeye for between $5-6/lb.

That was not the case during the reign of Shit Midas.

It was hard to find a decent steak at a decent price.

If I'm remembering correctly, Steak Scarcity was to the new normal according to Our Betters.

I was living in a Steak Desert!

Not any more!

Thanks, President Trump for Making Steak Dinners Great Again!

Posted by: naturalfake at May 20, 2018 06:39 PM (ZSkht)

247
What if you have incriminating evidence throughout your entire home and a fire in an exhaust fan would provide the exact level of cover you need?

Posted by: HC from Chappaqua NY at May 20, 2018 06:38 PM (LOgQ4)
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You bathe?

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:40 PM (MVjcR)

248 245 Cleaned out the lint collector in the dryer today, same thing

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:40 PM (aC6Sd)

249 The Venezuelan opposition is hampered by Maduro's totally nonthuggish tactic of "arresting anyone who looks like he might beat Maduro".

Some are boycotting the election. That only helps when there's a parallel political infrastructure that can step in - like in Honduras. Chavez and Maduro have killed all that; Venezuela is a Gaddafi-era Libya now.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 20, 2018 06:40 PM (6FqZa)

250 Yeah, ScoggDog, one of the other advantages of retirement is that you no longer feel the need (or have the income) to indulge in bottled wines.

Posted by: RI Red at May 20, 2018 06:41 PM (naPOT)

251 Here's a USB drive adapter for $24.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIADYY72K7968


There are cheaper options if you only need USB/SATA and not USB/IDE.

I don't recall the model(s) that I have had, but these are indispensable when dealing with DOA machines or HDD/OS failures.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 06:41 PM (Dp6qK)

252 PSA POINT OF CLARIFICATION:
All of the disgusting lint stuff came off WeaselWoman.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:14 PM


* picks up blanket, slinks to another room *

Posted by: WeaselDog at May 20, 2018 06:42 PM (Qgcoj)

253 And weasel, if you're still here. Just waiting for next Thread for some trajectory guidance. Hah.

Posted by: RI Red at May 20, 2018 06:42 PM (naPOT)

254 Wild Horse makes some pretty interesting whites, besides the usual suspects:

https://www.wildhorsewinery.com/Buy-Wine/White

the Viognier is our regular white these days...

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 20, 2018 06:43 PM (QDw86)

255 Get a live linux CD - I like linux lite - and a
caddy to connect up the drive. Boot from CD, connect the drive per
instructions, peruse files until your heart's content.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 06:35 PM (Dp6qK)

This machine has Mint 18.1 on its other hard drive. I could disconnect this drive, plug the dead one into that cable, and boot it to the Linux drive, and see if I can browse the files.
My audio problem is in a Y-connector I made, repairs in progress.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 20, 2018 06:44 PM (dOgJt)

256 Standing by! Might take the iPad out on the deck for a stogie. Something hand rolled by fiery young latinas!

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:46 PM (MVjcR)

257 This machine has Mint 18.1 on its other hard drive. I could disconnect this drive, plug the dead one into that cable, and boot it to the Linux drive, and see if I can browse the files.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 20, 2018 06:44 PM (dOgJt)

Well there you go.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 06:47 PM (Dp6qK)

258 "Just don't serve it with mint jelly, which is worse than serving French Toast with syrup."

I detecteth a hint of food snobbery. You and my wife would get along swimmingly. You could laugh at the peasants that put some sort of gravy like substances on their chicken fried steak.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 20, 2018 06:47 PM (9BLnV)

259 But what about the 80% humidity? Or is that the young latinas?

Posted by: RI Red at May 20, 2018 06:47 PM (naPOT)

260 Be careful rolling that cigar on your iPad!

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 20, 2018 06:47 PM (6FqZa)

261
259 But what about the 80% humidity? Or is that the young latinas?
Posted by: RI Red at May 20, 2018 06:47 PM (naPOT)
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Could be both. The RH here is 60% today so I shouldn't be too surprised I reckon.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:49 PM (MVjcR)

262 I use Acronis often to make backup images of the hard drives in the various computers in the house. It's a lot like Norton Ghost used to be. Pretty nice to have a failure on your wife's laptop and say "hang on, let me fix it" without all of the normal gnashing of teeth.

It comes up for cheap or free after rebates on the deal sites pretty often, too. Look at slickdeals dot net and set up an alert to email you when someone posts about it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 06:49 PM (VgKNm)

263 the Viognier is our regular white these days...
Posted by: redc1c4 at May 20, 2018 06:43 PM

I haven't tried that particular one, but I like a good Viognier. Chards work, but I like mine unoaked. More of a red guy, myself.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 20, 2018 06:50 PM (UXke/)

264 260 Be careful rolling that cigar on your iPad!
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 20, 2018 06:47 PM (6FqZa)
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Good point. These cigars are 'spensive.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:50 PM (MVjcR)

265 I'm going out on the deck for watermelon

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:50 PM (aC6Sd)

266 I'm going out on the deck for watermelon

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:50 PM (aC6Sd)

Raising watermelons on a deck requires skill. Kudos.

Posted by: Miklos, fromthe back of the watermelon truck at May 20, 2018 06:51 PM (zCyNd)

267 262 I use Acronis often to make backup images of the hard drives in the various computers in the house. It's a lot like Norton Ghost used to be. Pretty nice to have a failure on your wife's laptop and say "hang on, let me fix it" without all of the normal gnashing of teeth.

It comes up for cheap or free after rebates on the deal sites pretty often, too. Look at slickdeals dot net and set up an alert to email you when someone posts about it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 06:49 PM (VgKNm)

I use a combination of Windows native backups and free Clonezilla on a bootable USB drive.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 06:52 PM (Dp6qK)

268 I'm going out on the deck for watermelon
Posted by: Skip
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This is some kind of dog whistle, isn't it?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 20, 2018 06:52 PM (Zdm89)

269 Atta' boy. Real men stack their wine.

Don't let 'em tell ya' any different.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 06:36 PM (hswMf)
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yes, we do...

i just got a kit of 30 of this nifty invention from Oz to store wine in the bottom of my restaurant grade refrigerator out in the BBQ pagoda, so it would have a cold sink to keep it efficient.

bought through Ace's link, to keep him in Val-U-Rite and potassium supplements...

http://www.stakrax.com.au/

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 20, 2018 06:52 PM (QDw86)

270 Something hand rolled by fiery young latinas!

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 06:46 PM (MVjcR)


Oh, back in the day...

Posted by: Wise Latina at May 20, 2018 06:54 PM (zCyNd)

271 We only have a slum grade refrigerator...on the porch.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 20, 2018 06:55 PM (Zdm89)

272
I use a combination of Windows native backups and free Clonezilla on a bootable USB drive.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 06:52 PM (Dp6qK)


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Yeah, I had some bad luck with the Windows backup one time and decided never again.

Acronis is nice because it has a lot more options (of course) and can restore to dissimilar hardware when the time comes. It went through a crappy phase a few years ago, but I tried it again around 2014 and have been very pleased with it again.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 06:55 PM (VgKNm)

273 This is some kind of dog whistle, isn't it?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 20, 2018 06:52 PM (Zdm89)

Like the deck of a...ship.

Like....the Amistad????

So totally triggered.

Posted by: New Graduate at May 20, 2018 06:56 PM (zCyNd)

274 All this sexy cigar(ette) talk made me check out some Bizet Carmen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt2YL3w9DhY

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 06:56 PM (qJtVm)

275 President Trump drops the Sunday bomb on the opposition marxist traitors so all week they got to be steppin and fetchin.

The man has enlarged my mind.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 06:56 PM (EoRCO)

276 Porch refrigerators and porch couches are great so long as they're not on your porch.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 06:57 PM (VgKNm)

277 Just completed a H Upmann and a very pleasant Pinot Noir.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 20, 2018 06:57 PM (0tfLf)

278 We only have a slum grade refrigerator...on the porch.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 20, 2018 06:55 PM (Zdm89)

On blocks. Gonna make it nice one day.

Posted by: Voros nyak, Hungarian for Red neck at May 20, 2018 06:58 PM (zCyNd)

279 I have a stand-up freezer in the dungeon of Festung Rot that I've never fired up since we built in 2004. I bet it would hold a bunch of boxes of wine.

Posted by: RI Red at May 20, 2018 06:58 PM (naPOT)

280 Posted by: RI Red at May 20, 2018 06:58 PM (naPOT)

You missed a good day here on the bay. The start of the Newport to Cardiff race was this afternoon and it was actually somewhat not raining for a change.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2018 07:00 PM (/tuJf)

281 Porch refrigerators and porch couches are great so long as they're not on your porch.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 06:57 PM (VgKNm)

We beg to differ.

Posted by: all fraternities everywhere at May 20, 2018 07:04 PM (zCyNd)

282 Jack, boat gets painted and hull waxed this upcoming week. Unfo, I'm getting my new hip on Wednesday, so Red Jr. will likely have to take her out to C-hunk without me.
Don't know if you saw, but he aced his CG licensing exams this last week. Proud papa.

Posted by: RI Red at May 20, 2018 07:05 PM (naPOT)

283 Posted by: all fraternities everywhere
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I thought you guys had been banned.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 20, 2018 07:05 PM (w1zJX)

284 >>Don't know if you saw, but he aced his CG licensing exams this last week. Proud papa.

I didn't but after what you told me I'm not a bit surprised.

Congratulations and good luck on Wednesday. When you are healed up come on back and we'll do dinner next time.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2018 07:06 PM (/tuJf)

285 No dog whistle, real watermelon. Ate almost 1/4 of it and I'm stuffed.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 07:06 PM (aC6Sd)

286 I'm at work or I'd post this awesome Mint Sauce recipe I found.

Very simple - the main ingredients are fresh mint and balsamic vinegar.

Super nice on your leg o'lamb.

We had grilled lamb chops this week.

Here's a cocktail that goes great with lamb:


Buffalo Soldier

2 oz aged rum

1 oz Cardamaro

1 oz Bitter Truth Golden Falernum

3/4 oz fresh lemon juice

Shake with ice. Strain into glass. Garnish with orange peel (not necessary and goes better with lamb sans peel) Drink!

This really is a delightful drink with lamb.

If you eat a lot of lamb, it worth going out of your way to get the ingredients for this one.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 20, 2018 07:07 PM (ZSkht)

287 Mark Kelly - ( on recent shootings)kids are smart, motivated and angry.

He forgot well steeped in Marxism.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 07:08 PM (aC6Sd)

288 It went through a crappy phase a few years ago, but I tried it again around 2014 and have been very pleased with it again.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 06:55 PM (VgKNm)

I'm cheap. Clonezilla has worked well for me and is very flexible, re: devices, hardware, locations. I've only ever used it, when I had need to restore from a backup. I do Windows backups, when I don't want to take the machine down, and kind of as a, yeah, this might work, restoration option. But I do Clonezilla backups, as the ones I really trust.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 07:09 PM (Dp6qK)

289 Congrats to your boy, RI Red! Let us know how things go next week as you can.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 07:10 PM (MVjcR)

290 I thought you guys had been banned.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 20, 2018 07:05 PM (w1zJX)

We re-identified and joined sororities.

No complaints.

Posted by: all fraternities everywhere at May 20, 2018 07:10 PM (zCyNd)

291 Is anyone else thinking of CBD while watching Fagin on TMC? Just wondering.

I'm reviewing the situation...

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 07:10 PM (Evws/)

292 And on-topic... food, glorious food!

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 07:11 PM (Evws/)

293 I'm going to be live-blogging the hip until they tell me to start counting ... uh ... backw

Posted by: RI Red at May 20, 2018 07:12 PM (naPOT)

294 Ah, REDACTED, you always recall the halcyon days of Dallas during the J.R. era. Didn't have a Braniff or international connection, but "remember" the 3-for-1 happy hour days and some other well-connected friends. That was fun and impossible to describe to ones who weren't there. Can't imagine how awful Dallas is now. It was only the booze that made it tolerable then.

On the bourbon front, recently got back from a family reunion and highly recommend OBC (Old Bourbon County) Kitchen in Lexington. If you are a bourbon authority, you'll find surprises there. If you are a bourbon lover but not a conniesseur--like me--it's Bourbon University. And the food's good, too.

Posted by: Art Rondolet of Malmsey at May 20, 2018 07:14 PM (UnhR9)

295 I keep having these stupid little procedures that I have to be knocked out for. I need to get me a jug of that fentanyl or propofol or whatever they're using.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

296 I keep having these stupid little procedures that I have to be knocked out for. I need to get me a jug of that fentanyl or propofol or whatever they're using.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

Granny? Help out that young feller. One o' your XXX remedies.

Posted by: Jed Clampett at May 20, 2018 07:16 PM (zCyNd)

297 Hey, isn't it Flaming Skull time? Deputy AG Rosenstein says yes to an investigation into FBI infiltration of Trump's campaign...

https://tinyurl.com/ya4f74ha

Posted by: GuyfromNH at May 20, 2018 07:17 PM (Gs5TH)

298 Don't remember what they use, but the three-year colonoscopy ain't so bad.

Posted by: RI Red at May 20, 2018 07:18 PM (naPOT)

299 Nood gub thread.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 07:20 PM (Dp6qK)

300 298 Don't remember what they use, but the three-year colonoscopy ain't so bad.
Posted by: RI Red at May 20, 2018 07:18 PM (naPOT)
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Last anal probe I had the anesthesiologist was a total hot babe. I asked the butt doc, who is a good guy, if I could get another one the following week.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

301 I'm sure that was Rosenstein- Yes sir will get right on that, right after I finish this other thing I'm working on about some Russian interference.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 07:20 PM (aC6Sd)

302 Hey, isn't it Flaming Skull time? Deputy AG Rosenstein says yes to an investigation into FBI infiltration of Trump's campaign...

https://tinyurl.com/ya4f74ha

Posted by: GuyfromNH at May 20, 2018 07:17 PM (Gs5TH)

Above my pay grade, but I can squirt lighter fluid on the backyard tzampotli....

Posted by: Miklos, trying not to light hisself on fire at May 20, 2018 07:21 PM (zCyNd)

303 Nunes made a good point today- This was more than likely paid for with taxpayer money.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 07:21 PM (C4Cm9)

304 Well, Y-connector is built. Working in here. Now to run out to the shop, and see if I get both channels on the shop stereo. I ran a buried line to the shop, feeds off the computer speaker jack via that Y-connector, and goes to line in on my old Radio Shack 40-watt amp in the shop.

And there's a beer cooler in the shop, too. An old Arnett milk cooler, which runs so cold it freezes the beer.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 20, 2018 07:25 PM (dOgJt)

305 Rosenstein (not Cloggenstien) has turned it over to IG Horowitz.

Heh (aye mateys, a shot across yer bow):

"As always," Flores said, "the Inspector General will consult with the appropriate U.S. Attorney if there is any evidence of potential criminal conduct."

Posted by: Miklos, got some leftover fireworks at May 20, 2018 07:26 PM (zCyNd)

Trump: I'm Ordering the DOJ to Investigate Whether Obama Ordered Spying for Political Purposes






Greenwald notes, as many others have, that the DOJ is simultaneously leaking all the biographical details needed to identify Stefan Halper, while claiming that it would endanger his life to identify him:

Last night, both the Washington Post and New York Times -- whose reporters, like pretty much everyone in Washington, knew exactly who the FBI informant is -- published articles that, while deferring to the FBI's demands by not naming him, provided so many details about him that it made it extremely easy to know exactly who it is. The NYT described the FBI informant as "an American academic who teaches in Britain" and who "made contact late that summer with” George Papadopoulos and "also met repeatedly in the ensuing months with the other aide, Carter Page." The Post similarly called him "a retired American professor" who met with Page "at a symposium about the White House race held at a British university."

In contrast to the picture purposely painted by the DOJ and its allies that this informant was some of sort super-secret, high-level, covert intelligence asset, the NYT described him as what he actually is: "the informant is well known in Washington circles, having served in previous Republican administrations and as a source of information for the C.I.A. in past years."

Despite how "well known" he is in Washington, and despite publishing so many details about him that anyone with Google would be able to instantly know his name, the Post and the NYT nonetheless bizarrely refused to identity him, with the Post justifying its decision that it "is not reporting his name following warnings from U.S. intelligence officials that exposing him could endanger him or his contacts." The NYT was less melodramatic about it, citing a general policy: the NYT "has learned the source"s identity but typically does not name informants to preserve their safety," it said.

In other words, both the NYT and the Post chose to provide so many details about the FBI informant that everyone would know exactly who it was, while coyly pretending that they were obeying FBI demands not to name him. How does that make sense? Either these newspapers believe the FBI's grave warnings that national security and lives would be endangered if it were known who they used as their informant (in which case those papers should not publish any details that would make his exposure likely), or they believe that the FBI (as usual) was just invoking false national security justifications to hide information it unjustly wants to keep from the public (in which case the newspapers should name him).



Update: The left's new rules, as summarized by Adirondack Patriot:

It's all academic because this is how the left thinks:

1. It is illegal to defeat a Democrat.

2. Anything we do to stop an illegal act is legal and a morally necessary.

3. The only way a Democrat can lose is if someone (in this case, Donald Trump) did something illegal, such as collude with Russians, because no Republican is qualified to legally defeat a Democrat.

4. Everything we do to stop Trump is legal, regardless of the law.

Ben Shapiro, Deep State Defender.



Correction: Red-faced embarrassment -- I got the timeline screwed up here myself. I conflated Misfud's mention of the emails with Halper's (Halper's mention was several months later).

The timeline goes something like this:

April 2016: MISFUD, not Halper, mentions the Russians hacking the emails to Papadoplous

May 2016: Papadoplous mentions this to Downer (the Australian diplomat)

September 2016: Halper asks Papadopolous about the emails (Papadopolous says he doesn't know anything)

I confused the dates and who it was (Misfud, Halper) doing the talking.

I still don't see how mentioning the emails to anyone could be grounds to begin an investigation -- everyone was speculating about the idea that Russians had the emails for months; it was one of the reasons people said Clinton should be indicted -- and I'd like Ben Shapiro to explain that to me.

If talking about the Russians having Hillary's emails is grounds for an official counterintelligence investigation, then the NSA should have been monitoring me and this blog as well. And pretty much everyone I knew.

Who knows, maybe they were/are.

But my jibe about the timeline was all wrong. I'm the one who had to do more research into the specific timeline here.

I also suspect that when all is done we'll find out that Misfud was actually involved in this "investigation," but that's not in evidence yet. It's just my private supposition.

Oh: The FBI has repeatedly lied about the origins of this "investigation." First it was sparked by the Steele Dossier. When the highly dubious and partisan nature of the document was revealed, they edited their story to claim it all originated with this Papadopolous mention of the emails to Downer.

With the FBI and DOJ crabwalking and changing their stories, why should anyone have any faith in their current claims?

Who can say what the FBI's current claim actually is? Have they made an official statement, or does it continue to be put out via not-under-oath leaks to the media?

Posted by: Ace of Spades at 02:25 PM




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1 This means he knows!!
?
I believe.

Posted by: Derptastic at May 20, 2018 02:27 PM (DB16e)

2 st?

Posted by: I Smell Something Rotten at May 20, 2018 02:27 PM (P3DfN)

3 Fight's on.

Posted by: trev006 at May 20, 2018 02:27 PM (lphAE)

4 drat!

Posted by: I Smell Something Rotten at May 20, 2018 02:27 PM (P3DfN)

5 Roomy.
Im a little nervous.

Posted by: Derptastic at May 20, 2018 02:27 PM (DB16e)

6 i think this is the opening salvo

Posted by: I Smell Something Rotten at May 20, 2018 02:28 PM (P3DfN)

7 get ready for the gloves to come off

Posted by: I Smell Something Rotten at May 20, 2018 02:28 PM (P3DfN)

8 Finally. Let's see what Snoozie does.

Posted by: Tuna at May 20, 2018 02:29 PM (jm1YL)

9 Don't worry, the MFM is still focused on how he miss spelled his wife's name.

Posted by: Colin at May 20, 2018 02:29 PM (yLA6Y)

10 Trump is out of line...this is not who we are!

Posted by: Balless Bill Kristol at May 20, 2018 02:29 PM (yhf6w)

11 Isn't that like asking the BATF to investigate themselves?

Posted by: Infidel at May 20, 2018 02:29 PM (a3OL0)

12 Dis gon' be good.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 20, 2018 02:29 PM (fA1SL)

13 I'm betting that the DOJ will find that Obama and his evil regime did nothing.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Profoundly Unserious at May 20, 2018 02:29 PM (pw+jk)

14 I love our president!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 20, 2018 02:29 PM (4ErVI)

15 ''This means he knows!! ''

Of course he knows. I'm sure he's known for a long, long time. He's a patient man.

Posted by: Tuna at May 20, 2018 02:30 PM (jm1YL)

16 Ka- as they say -boom.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 20, 2018 02:30 PM (oVJmc)

17 Owners of pizza related maps hardest hit.

Posted by: Monk at May 20, 2018 02:31 PM (Wd0WT)

18 But.....STORMY DANIELS!

Posted by: CNN at May 20, 2018 02:31 PM (oVJmc)

19 Hell yes

Posted by: ALH at May 20, 2018 02:32 PM (ywLYf)

20 Extraordinary crimes against the people and the Republic have to be avenged by agents extraordinary...

Hold on to yo' butts!

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Penitent Cylon at May 20, 2018 02:32 PM (lLeln)

21 This goes right to Obama.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 20, 2018 02:33 PM (DK0L4)

22 BUT NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN, BECAUSE SNOOZY MCSNOOZERMAN !!!!

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 02:33 PM (y3aQB)

23 Glenn Greenwald, ace? Yeah, sure, I get it. But c'm9n...

Posted by: occam's brassiere at May 20, 2018 02:33 PM (cCsPW)

24 I hope this comes to fruition because there are quite a few who need to be jailed.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 02:33 PM (aC6Sd)

25 Lock them all up and throw away the key

Posted by: ALH at May 20, 2018 02:34 PM (ywLYf)

26 21 This goes right to Obama.
Posted by: LGoPs at May 20, 2018 02:33 PM (DK0L4)

And the Bush and Clinton Crime Families.

Posted by: Monk at May 20, 2018 02:35 PM (Wd0WT)

27 I am extremely upset that Trump would dare question the honesty and integrity of Obama.

Posted by: Kevin Williamson on his period at May 20, 2018 02:35 PM (yhf6w)

28 I will believe it when people start getting frog marched. Sessions has been a huge disappointment.

Sorry to be so cynical.

Posted by: Infidel at May 20, 2018 02:36 PM (a3OL0)

29 But who will investigate?

Posted by: PerfidiousP at May 20, 2018 02:37 PM (cW5Oc)

30 >>>23 Glenn Greenwald, ace? Yeah, sure, I get it. But c'm9n...
Posted by: occam's brassiere

it's the first report to affirmatively claim what has been suspected.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2018 02:38 PM (8rNrN)

31 Let's keep it down in here.

All this clamoring about may wake our Attorney General.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 20, 2018 02:39 PM (53Dys)

32 I hate to be too optimistic that anyone of significance (ie. Hillary, Loretta Lynch, Comey, Obama, etc., etc.) will ever be held to account for their malfeasance BUT a girl can dream. Is it time to go long on Pudding and Popcorn Futures?

Posted by: runningrn at May 20, 2018 02:39 PM (UUnqW)

33 There are an awful lot of people who are on the wring side of history with this.

If I was the media Id be getting in bed with the Trump administration and doing everything possible to protect myself because anyone capable of rubbing 2 or more brain cells together can see the writing on the wall.

Posted by: Mailman at May 20, 2018 02:39 PM (q3k4w)

34 Remember pappy Bush giving the throat shash gesture to Trump?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OUGd7Lt7Z6M

Posted by: Monk at May 20, 2018 02:39 PM (Wd0WT)

35 Prayers for President Trump and family. These are dangerous times. Show no mercy for none shall be given. Destroy them President Trump.

Posted by: cosmic debris at May 20, 2018 02:39 PM (WX+x0)

36 Trump knows there's something there.

He is like the good lawyer who doesn't ask a question unless he knows the answer.

Trump knows.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 20, 2018 02:40 PM (53Dys)

37 Barky needs an extended stay at a sunny tropical island resort, all at taxpayer's expense.

Gitmo.

Posted by: The Bugs at May 20, 2018 02:40 PM (vnB5M)

38 Posted by: Infidel at May 20, 2018 02:36 PM (a3OL0)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 20, 2018 02:39 PM (53Dys)
++++
see if you 2 actually stopped the Debbie Downer pant shitting & actually read some stuff excluding Alex Jones you would know Sessions wasn't sleeping

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 02:40 PM (y3aQB)

39 Barky needs an extended stay at a sunny tropical island resort, all at taxpayer's expense.

Gitmo.
Posted by: The Bugs


Nah. Put him some place in the Aleutian islands...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Penitent Cylon at May 20, 2018 02:41 PM (lLeln)

40 This will be Obstruction of Justice!!!!!

Posted by: Robert Mueller at May 20, 2018 02:42 PM (AMIL/)

41 But the one thing I miss the most is Obama and his vaunted integrity...

"Barry loves me this I know, for teh Bloomberg tells me so...little minds to him belong, we are weak but his integrity foo is strong. Yes, Barry loves me, yes, Barry loves me, yes, Barry loves me, teh Bloomberg tells me so.... (to be sung to a favorite Sunday school song with childlike faith...)"

Posted by: runningrn at May 20, 2018 02:42 PM (UUnqW)

42 Alrighty then.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 20, 2018 02:42 PM (53Dys)

43 The only question is, can this be followed through? The ordinary mechanisms are badly corrupted--does he have the people lined up to make sure this gets handled right, including (especially!) the courts?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Penitent Cylon at May 20, 2018 02:42 PM (lLeln)

44 Donnie Two Scoops needs to declassify everything even remotely related to this.

Posted by: Furious George at May 20, 2018 02:43 PM (1Vkvd)

45 I suspect he already has all the evidence he needs via the Mossad, if the DOJ doesn't comply we can all assume they are up to their corrupt eye balls in the illegal spying of Trump?

Posted by: Rose at May 20, 2018 02:44 PM (qHeFI)

46 I was an early supporter of Trump as a FU to both Clinton and general GOP business as usual. Having said that, I had very low expectations of how he'd do, because frankly I never thought he'd be allowed to win. He continues to succeed beyond any reasonable measure. Absolutely love the guy. What many call a crude style is a goddam feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 02:44 PM (MVjcR)

47 Everything related to this, by every Federal employee,
exists as a digital copy. None of it is on paper before
being printed from the digital file.

Why can't an authority with subpoena power say:

"Every fucking digital file will be on my desk in 24 hours or
Federal Marshals will take you into custody for failure to comply"

why not? why the hell not? why keep screwing around?

Posted by: retropox at May 20, 2018 02:44 PM (UagAo)

48 I haven't seen any arrests. Only allegations and stonewalling.

Posted by: Infidel at May 20, 2018 02:44 PM (a3OL0)

49 Good!
Are leftist heads exploding yet?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 20, 2018 02:45 PM (8iiMU)

50 Valerie Jarret won't look good in an Orange Jumpsuit.

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2018 02:45 PM (ndLr/)

51 riddle me this; snoozer jumped into his hammock within 24 of takin the at gen job citing the wrong regulation for recusal as provided by ruby rod rosett ta. Was that part of the 8th level uber plan?

Nope

Posted by: cosmic debris at May 20, 2018 02:45 PM (WX+x0)

52 Who would any of you trust to actually get justice? I am glad this is going forward, but it will always end up with "shoot, they didn't INTEND to commit that crime. Gotta let them go."

Posted by: PerfidiousP at May 20, 2018 02:46 PM (cW5Oc)

53 I feel I can speak a little more honestly now. It is time for a straight shooter like James Comey to get to the bottom of this matter...is there any provable intent of wrong doing?

Posted by: Kevin Williamson in a Burqa at May 20, 2018 02:46 PM (yhf6w)

54 Trump wouldn't have kept Sessions around if he was useless.

Maybe you could make the argument that it would look bad for Trump if he dropped the hammer on Sessions especially because of the recusal, but he fired Comey and that caused a shitstorm that he weathered easily.

No, I think Sessions has been busy behind the scenes lining up the ducks for Trump to knock down. It's Good cop/Bad cop on steroids. Or maybe it's Bad Cop/Bad Cop. Whatever the case, Trump has to date given me no reason to doubt his abilities.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 20, 2018 02:46 PM (4ErVI)

55 THIS is why Hillary was suppose to win!! NONE of this was ever meant to ever come out! It's funny, but you really would think that the Deep State would turn on her by now for being such an incredible f*ck up for failing to win an election that was handed to her on a silver platter. Look at all the resources she had behind her, and she still couldn't pull it off!

Posted by: runningrn at May 20, 2018 02:46 PM (UUnqW)

56 Love that PDT opens with a salvo on Sunday upsetting the Dems' day off. LOL

Posted by: Tuna at May 20, 2018 02:47 PM (jm1YL)

57 I'll have to ask my boss Rod Rosenstein if we can do that first Mr. Trump

Posted by: Sleepy Sezzzzions at May 20, 2018 02:47 PM (cAnNx)

58 Donald Trump's Presidential Forehead Merkin Stars in

THE BARACKHENATENATOR

'Your Memos. Give Them To Me.'

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2018 02:47 PM (ndLr/)

59 Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night.
http://tinyurl.com/hjbqqtn

Posted by: Bette Davis at May 20, 2018 02:47 PM (w1zJX)

60
"Investigating the previous administration is not who we are." - Doughface Republicans

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 02:48 PM (aeXVE)

61 I'm confused. Unveiling the depth of corruption in the FBI and CIA is treasonous, is that the charge? Dangerous and bizarre times.

Posted by: Northernlurker lighter less filing at May 20, 2018 02:48 PM (eAMlh)

62 Thermo-nukular War has been declared!

And it's about time.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 20, 2018 02:48 PM (+BKF+)

63 It's funny, but you really would think that the Deep State would turn on her by now for being such an incredible f*ck up for failing to win an election that was handed to her on a silver platter.
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It's all CYA now.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 20, 2018 02:48 PM (w1zJX)

64 Same professor Comey was leaking too?

Posted by: PhilDirt at May 20, 2018 02:49 PM (5djUI)

65 Are things finally going to break wide open?!?
Please let it be so.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2018 02:49 PM (W+vEI)

66 3 2 1 . . .

MSM DECLARES THAT TRUMP HAS OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE BY ORDERING INVESTIGATION!!!!!

Posted by: Sharkman at May 20, 2018 02:49 PM (+BKF+)

67 ''Investigating the previous administration is not who we are." - Doughface Republicans ''

Because some of them were involved.

Posted by: Tuna at May 20, 2018 02:49 PM (jm1YL)

68 I added some of greenwald's report where he makes a fuller argument about the Times and Post virtually IDing Halper, while withholding the name; and of course they're getting this directly from the DOJ or FBI, while those corrupt organizations simultaneously bleat that exposing the name that everyone already knows would somehow endanger him.

In London.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2018 02:50 PM (8rNrN)

69 65. Break open? You mean like with a machinist's vice and sledge?

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 20, 2018 02:50 PM (fA1SL)

70 There is an executive order already signed that is suppose to drop this week.

Posted by: Monk at May 20, 2018 02:50 PM (Wd0WT)

71 Some poor low level aide is going to jail.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 02:51 PM (aljs9)

72 Finished Rant on, well worth watching.

I'll guess Rosenberg will get right on this Tuesday, Dec 29th 2020

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 02:51 PM (aC6Sd)

73 >>Because some of them were involved.



John McCain, White Courtesy Phone.

John McCain.
Please pick up the White Courtesy Phone.

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2018 02:51 PM (ndLr/)

74 he's not working under cover in Peshewahr, for God's sakes. He's an open CIA/MI6 asset working in intelligence groups in London.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2018 02:51 PM (8rNrN)

75 DANTON stupid autocucumber

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 02:51 PM (aC6Sd)

76 War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Oatmeal is treason.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at May 20, 2018 02:51 PM (0jtPF)

77 The next six months is going to be like a wild movie that is written, directed, produced, and starring Donald Trump.

Posted by: Mark1971 at May 20, 2018 02:51 PM (xPl2J)

78 So this is the final defense - publicly outing all of the political games that the FBI and CIA were playing is "TREASON!!!!""????

Not even Nixon on his worst days was desperate enough to go there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 02:51 PM (V2Yro)

79 77. Donald Trump does all his own stunts.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 20, 2018 02:52 PM (fA1SL)

80 Glenn Greenwald. Arbitrator, savoir and presiding judge on all things legal and moral.

Yay!

Posted by: 13times at May 20, 2018 02:52 PM (K3B2k)

81 Historic times, indeed. I've said he's one of only 3 disruptive Presidents. Washington, Lincoln and now PDJT. (Maybe Wilson because he screwed up so much of what we now live with.)

Posted by: Pete Seria at May 20, 2018 02:53 PM (2WfB0)

82 So if this is really war, perhaps PDT will put McSnoozeyface out to pasture?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 02:53 PM (aljs9)

83 I doubt anybody will be prosecuted over this BUT the more the general public is exposed to how awful and corrupt there ruling class are, the better it will be. You may not be able to drain the swamp but you can expose it to the light for the country to see. Do it in a way so there is no ambiguity. Make everything public to review for themselves and not have the MFM filter the information through a leftish haze. Shine a Light, Yo!!

https://youtu.be/the7gV99YRI

Posted by: Puddleglum at May 20, 2018 02:53 PM (wKUFh)

84 They did the same thing to me!

Posted by: Valerie Plame, deep undercover agent extraordiaire at May 20, 2018 02:53 PM (FJXGr)

85 Guess should get out and work on fallen tree some more, movie was a brake. Glad someone brought it up on the movie thread last night. I had seen it before probably not long after it came out.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 02:53 PM (aC6Sd)

86
"Oatmeal is treason."

Whoa, wait! I had some for breakfast yesterday.

I regret I have but one bowl of apple & cinnamon oatmeal to give to my country.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 02:54 PM (LjusA)

87 SO much good stuff is being crowd-sourced on twitter - I fear a lot will disappear soon as YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter ramps up their pre-midterm narrative-shaping.

Sharyl Attkisson made a detailed timeline:
https://sharylattkisson.com/

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2018 02:54 PM (W+vEI)

88 i said something wrong in a comment: Greenwald wasn't the first to name Halper. NBCNews already did (as his article notes).

That article is very much worth reading, btw.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2018 02:54 PM (8rNrN)

89 63 It's funny, but you really would think that the Deep State would turn on her by now for being such an incredible f*ck up for failing to win an election that was handed to her on a silver platter.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 20, 2018 02:48 PM (w1zJX)

>>>

She and Bill know many embarrassing things about many of the Deep State denizens, and the Deep Staters know that the Clintons know. That's how she became a Senator and was handed the 2016 nomination on a silver platter.

Posted by: Gref at May 20, 2018 02:54 PM (AMIL/)

90 I regret I have but one bowl of apple cinnamon oatmeal to give to my country.



Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 02:54 PM (LjusA)

I didn't know oatmeal could be for dinner until I married Heidi.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 02:55 PM (aljs9)

91 This is where PDT quotes 'Tombstone': "You tell them I'm coming. And I am bringing Hell with me!"

Posted by: jmel at May 20, 2018 02:55 PM (OeWgo)

92 The time is long overdue to start hitting back Hard.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 20, 2018 02:55 PM (DK0L4)

93
So if this is really war, perhaps PDT will put McSnoozeyface out to pasture?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob


Trump: "Jeff, you're just not a wartime consigliere."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 02:55 PM (vO5+Y)

94 Read Sharyl Atkisson's timeline -- very well done, btw. One fact that jumped out at me was Congress passing a surveillance renewal act. Don't know for sure if some of the holes were plugged, but not a good look for them. Would take someone much more analytical than I am, but I do seem to recall that some of the 'national security' excuses were stopped.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 02:55 PM (MIKMs)

95 This is great!

Posted by: NaughtyPin at May 20, 2018 02:56 PM (fxCK2)

96 Glen Greenwald....

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 02:56 PM (/U6eQ)

97 81 Historic times, indeed. I've said he's one of only 3 disruptive Presidents. Washington, Lincoln and now PDJT. (Maybe Wilson because he screwed up so much of what we now live with.)"

I'd add Jackson to that list - easy to forget how disruptive he was because it's been so long - and I'd actually take Washington off it, since as far as America was concerned, he was a huge stabilizing force with widespread support.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 02:57 PM (V2Yro)

98 Posted by: Infidel at May 20, 2018 02:44 PM (a3OL0)
+++++
So unless I pulled a SNOOZY MCSNOOZERMAN is the ongoing investigation by Jon Huber Over??

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 02:57 PM (y3aQB)

99 I want to point out that after the first Kim Strassel article in the WSJ, pointing out some of the known facts about Halper, she refused to name him even speculatively.

So Sundance at tct did speculate with his name the next day. Correctly, as it turns out.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 20, 2018 02:57 PM (0ogQG)

100 Trump: "Jeff, you're just not a wartime consigliere."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 02:55 PM (vO5+Y)

THIS! Thanks Hadrian! LMAO!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 02:57 PM (aljs9)

101 Hahaha. I love it.

Barack Mugabe is no different than his comrade in arms Robert. Hope and change baby, Hope and change.

Both whitey hating, law breaking, no talent liars who lucked out and didn't catch a bullet or two on the way up in their respective criminal organizations.

Anyone seen or heard about old Robert since he was taken away to be vaporized?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 02:57 PM (EoRCO)

102 She and Bill know many embarrassing things about
many of the Deep State denizens, and the Deep Staters know that the
Clintons know. That's how she became a Senator and was handed the 2016
nomination on a silver platter.

Posted by: Gref at May 20, 2018 02:54 PMIf nothing else, they should have stress-related health problems for the next year or so!

Posted by: NaughtyPin at May 20, 2018 02:58 PM (fxCK2)

103 >>>99 I want to point out that after the first Kim Strassel article in the WSJ, pointing out some of the known facts about Halper, she refused to name him even speculatively.

So Sundance at tct did speculate with his name the next day. Correctly, as it turns out.

...

i've been hinting about it since March 25th, too.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2018 02:58 PM (8rNrN)

104 Like Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday walking toward the OK Corral.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 02:58 PM (+y/Ru)

105 and of course this is all thanks to Chuck Ross, who put this all together. And the Daily Caller published it, to their credit.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2018 02:59 PM (8rNrN)

106 I guess we're not posting "nood" any more. It took me awhile to realize that the comments had petered out on the last thread.

Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2018 02:59 PM (sdi6R)

107 Trump can declassify anything he wants to, can't he? I mean, if he declassified the latest nuke designs, that would be bad (and lead to impeachment), but it IS within his purview.

Get to declassifying, Mr. President.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 20, 2018 02:59 PM (0ogQG)

108 The reason they are all being so coy is that the deep state hacks must all have been threatening them with prosecution if they said it - so they made it so freakin' obvious that no one could miss who it was. Streisand Effect in action - now the entire COUNTRY knows who it was.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 03:00 PM (V2Yro)

109 It was Chuck Ross who set this all in motion.

I don't even think he relied on any leaks -- I think he just put together scattered clues from articles previously written, but which failed -- possibly deliberately -- to weave them all together.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2018 03:00 PM (8rNrN)

110 Sessions will need to go, with the next 5 under him as well.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 03:00 PM (aC6Sd)

111
They did the same thing to me!
Posted by: Valerie Plame, deep undercover agent extraordiaire at May 20, 2018



This. You go, girl.

The way the MSM + Deep State Complex is reporting that this person is a super secret agent who must not be revealed while it's also an open secret who that person is and what he does, just reeks of the way they handled the Plame investigation and subsequent framing of Scooter Libby.

Posted by: Hands at May 20, 2018 03:00 PM (EzdLW)

112 All these weaponized agencies need to be purged. Mercilessly.

There is still some good in this country. And it's worth fighting for.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 20, 2018 03:01 PM (DK0L4)

113 i always thought of pappy Bush as just another politico put in charge of an agency, never an inside man trusted enough to use its resources, but maybe not

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 03:01 PM (/U6eQ)

114 108 The reason they are all being so coy is that the deep state hacks must all have been threatening them with prosecution if they said it - so they made it so freakin' obvious that no one could miss who it was. Streisand Effect in action - now the entire COUNTRY knows who it was.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 03:00 PM (V2Yro)

Probably.

Oh, and +1 for the Streisand Effect reference.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 20, 2018 03:01 PM (F5+ro)

115 BUT NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN, BECAUSE SNOOZY MCSNOOZERMAN !!!!

-
Appoint a special prosecutor?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 03:01 PM (+y/Ru)

116 It's all academic because this is how the left thinks:

1. It is illegal to defeat a Democrat.
2. Anything we do to stop an illegal act is legal and a morally necessary.
3. The only way a Democrat can lose is if someone (in this case, Donald Trump) did something illegal, such as collude with Russians, because no Republican is qualified to legally defeat a Democrat.
4. Everything we do to stop Trump is legal, regardless of the law.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 20, 2018 03:01 PM (53Dys)

117
I guess we're not posting "nood" any more. It took me awhile to realize that the comments had petered out on the last thread.

Posted by: rickl


Everyone else knew, we just didn't tell you.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 03:02 PM (vO5+Y)

118 Obama Legacy: Destroyed

Obama: Pending

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 20, 2018 03:02 PM (oVJmc)

119 I think ace hinted at this, but if we put 2 + 2 together here, it looks like maybe it was Jeb who got the ball rolling on all of this.

CIA snitch who was close with HW being used as the snitch points to HW more than Obama or Clinton, no?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 20, 2018 03:02 PM (F5+ro)

120 116-- Very concise and true.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2018 03:02 PM (8rNrN)

121 Shit's getting real. Has Trump ever made an accusatory tweet that didn't pan out.

Expect it will show that the DOJ/FBI surveillance predated any official authorization. In fact it was used to bootstrap things like the FISA warrant.

Will the MSM talking heads who said months ago that Trump was 25th Amendment crazy to say he was being spied on, now double down?

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 03:02 PM (pV/54)

122 I speculate that the real reason the NYT and Post aren't publicly naming Halper, is that they want someone associated with the Trump Admin to do it - then it can be claimed that that person "outed" Halper. And voila! Calls for a special counsel to investigate the "outing" of Halper.

Just like Plame.

Posted by: Hands at May 20, 2018 03:02 PM (EzdLW)

123 I'd add Jackson to that list - easy to forget how disruptive he was because it's been so long - and I'd actually take Washington off it, since as far as America was concerned, he was a huge stabilizing force with widespread support.

I like to cite Washington because he created the position into something that Congress never intended, ie. something with power. He didn't take any crap from Congress either, so he basically set the stage for every future Exec. That's pretty disruptive to what his "deep state" of the times intended him to be.

Read the book "Mr. President" to see how he did it that lives on to this day.

Posted by: Pete Seria at May 20, 2018 03:03 PM (2WfB0)

124 https://theconservativetreehouse.com
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for all the posters who think Sessions is the problem or part of swamp, Spends rest of the day here & Read, Read & then when you are tired of reading Read a ton more
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then go to DanBongino.com & listen to his podcasts

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 03:03 PM (y3aQB)

125 I recall how when the 9/11 trutherism started the easiest way to reject it was saying "there's no way W could have pulled this off and kept it secret!".

However, looking at the growing list of people/federal agencies and outside organizations (Fusion GPS, numerous reporters) involved in this Trump coup, I'm starting to wonder if this was a DC swamp open secret on par with Harvey Weinstein - where almost everyone in that town at least knew some part of it, if not helped facilitate it in some small or not so small way.

Getting back to Sharyl Attkisson, she may be onto something with this tweet:

I think there's a major fallacy in focusing on the 2016 election without understanding the bigger part of the picture: *why* bad actors in intel community were so desperate to not have Trump elected. It's about what could be discovered about the past 10-20 years. Not just 2016.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2018 03:04 PM (W+vEI)

126 Must be big to have ace posting on s Sunday!!

Posted by: lin-duh at May 20, 2018 03:05 PM (kufk0)

127 Top Secret investigations, sealed warrants, sealed indictments, denunciations . . . Gee, whillikers, Batman. That Russia is sure an enemy of freedom.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 03:05 PM (MIKMs)

128 15 ''This means he knows!! ''

Of course he knows. I'm sure he's known for a long, long time. He's a patient man.
Posted by: Tuna at May 20, 2018 02:30 PM (jm1YL)

He is. He really is. He seems bombastic, but he is a patient man.

Posted by: m at May 20, 2018 03:05 PM (0bRDi)

129
Obama was transformative like Chester Arthur and Millard Fillmore.
Or maybe Buchanan.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 03:06 PM (4PIaA)

130 This. You go, girl.

The way the MSM + Deep State Complex is reporting that this person is a super secret agent who must not be revealed while it's also an open secret who that person is and what he does, just reeks of the way they handled the Plame investigation and subsequent framing of Scooter Libby.
Posted by: Hands
-------

See my terrific expose film, "Fair Game". It's on at theaters everywhere.

Posted by: Valerie Plame, deep undercover agent extraordiaire at May 20, 2018 03:06 PM (FJXGr)

131 Must be big to have ace posting on s Sunday!!


==

shhhhh !! he thinks it's Monday, we may get a few more posts

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 03:06 PM (/U6eQ)

132
Trump needs to clean this out himself. He's the constitutional boss of the executive branch, including DoJ. What he should do is a appoint some independent pit bulls to go in there and clean it out, going up everyone's asses with a microscope, and give them the carte blanch authority to do so.

Preezy can do this. He's the g**damned boss.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 20, 2018 03:06 PM (8O3HH)

133 Jeff Sessions is personally conducting a major investigation into knock-off C-PAP machines and pillows.

He's personally testing each C-PAP and pillow to see if it counterfeit or not.

He's also looking into the sleep number scandal. Apparently, the sleep numbers have been fraudulently inflated. So, if think your sleep number was 8, it's actually 6! And if it was 3, it may actually be 1!

That's dedication, people.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 20, 2018 03:06 PM (53Dys)

134 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 20, 2018 03:02 PM (F5+ro)
++++
Jeb is too fucking stupid & to low on totem pole to do it, it was Daddy,GWB Clinton Inc & Barky McFuckstick

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 03:07 PM (y3aQB)

135 133 Jeff Sessions is personally conducting a major investigation into knock-off C-PAP machines and pillows.

He's personally testing each C-PAP and pillow to see if it counterfeit or not.

He's also looking into the sleep number scandal. Apparently, the sleep numbers have been fraudulently inflated. So, if think your sleep number was 8, it's actually 6! And if it was 3, it may actually be 1!

That's dedication, people.


Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 20, 2018 03:06 PM (53Dys)



He's working on testing the benefits between Sleep Number, Casper, and Memory Foam mattresses.

Posted by: buzzion at May 20, 2018 03:08 PM (cAnNx)

136

The former secretary of education under President Obama, Arne Duncan, is proposing that parents keep their kids home from school until gun laws are changed.

Duncan tweeted this shockingly stupid proposal on Friday in response to a tweet from one of his former employees:

Washington Post:

Duncan said in an interview Saturday that the idea was intended to be provocative but that an aggressive approach like a school boycott is needed if gun laws are ever going to change. He has school-age children and said if this idea were to gain traction, his family would participate.

Lead the way! I'll be right behind you! I promise.

"It's wildly impractical and difficult," Duncan said. "But I think it's wildly impractical and difficult that kids are shot when they are sent to school."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2018 03:08 PM (IqV8l)

137 Update: The left's new rules,


Shorter version: heads, I win, tails, you lose.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 03:08 PM (yQpMk)

138 I guess we're not posting "nood" any more. It took me awhile to realize that the comments had petered out on the last thread.

Posted by: rickl
-----------

I did a Rot 1.5 when I saw 'Dune' on the Book Thread, and came up with 'Nude'. Cagey.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 20, 2018 03:09 PM (FJXGr)

139 Strzok, the guy who needed an insurance policy in case Trump got elected, was involved in

1) the Hillary investigation. He was the FBI guy who interviewed her. After Paramour Page texted him that Lynch "knows no charges will be brought."

2) the Flynn Frame. He was the FBI guy Sally Yates sent to interview Flynn. Where Strzok changed his 302 report at McCabe's behest to claim that Flynn had lied.

3) the Russian collusion investigation. Strzok opened the counterintelligence investigation of Russian collusion based on Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, and oversaw the investigation.

4) the Weiner laptop cover-up. Comey sent Strzok to look at the laptop so they could say "nothing to see here, move along."

5) the Mueller investigation. Strzok joined the team, presumably to co-ordinate and carry messages to the rest of the cabal.

Also, Page and Strzok texted that "[President Obama] wants to know everything we're doing."

Strzok can roll up the whole thing. With Page and Priestap and lots of documents corroborating.

One feckin guy sings, and it all comes out.

Mehtinks Trump knows this, and it informs his tweet storm.

Indictments are stubborn things.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 03:09 PM (pV/54)

140 sessions got that senate taint. will not trust him.

Posted by: cosmic debris at May 20, 2018 03:09 PM (WX+x0)

141 What? Ben Shapiro Defends FBI Deep State Spy Inside Trump Campaign -GP


Never trust a #NeverTrump. Never.



Posted by: Snopes at May 20, 2018 03:09 PM (r9UYA)

142 "It's wildly impractical and difficult," Duncan said. "But I think it's wildly impractical and difficult that kids are shot when they are sent to school."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2018 03:08 PM (IqV8l)

Yup....ban government schools and keep our chilluns safe from guns, sexual predators and marxists.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 03:10 PM (EoRCO)

143 I didn't know oatmeal could be for dinner until I married Heidi.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 02:55 PM


Your tribe didn't know about 'haggis'?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 20, 2018 03:10 PM (DMUuz)

144 How did you find out about the Memory Foam investigation?

Apparently, Sessions is using Memory Foam in GTMO to try to get the detainees to forget that they are terrorists.

Sessions also thinks that Comey used Memory Foam before he testified before Congress, which is why he can't remember shit.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 20, 2018 03:10 PM (53Dys)

145 I mean, if he declassified the latest nuke designs, that would be bad (and lead to impeachment), but it IS within his purview.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 20, 2018 02:59 PM (0ogQG)
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not if he was a Demonrat...

that would just be a step towards global peace.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 20, 2018 03:10 PM (QDw86)

146 I hope they all get nailed to the wall. I wonder if they'll give this to the Marshals (also in DoJ) both prevent the FBI-on-FBI conflict of interest and also because the Marshals have exceptional expertise in locating and apprehending fugitives ...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2018 03:10 PM (1qrtS)

147 Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 03:09 PM (pV/54)
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Priestap is sining for his freedom too

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 03:10 PM (y3aQB)

148 I am the law!

Posted by: John Brennan IS Judge Dredd at May 20, 2018 03:11 PM (EzdLW)

149 Obama going down in flames. The very thought of it all breaching the Media's Atlantic Wall of Fictions shall endure for ever and ever. The breath before the plunge.

This is our Cultural and Exiistential Normandy. GODS! Sara, You Magnificent Bastard!

And... I'm spent.

Posted by: 13times at May 20, 2018 03:11 PM (K3B2k)

150
The former secretary of education under President Obama, Arne Duncan, is proposing that parents keep their kids home from school until gun laws are changed.

Can I keep my school taxes at home until they start teaching kids something?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 03:11 PM (lPKhN)

151 118 Obama Legacy: Destroyed

Obama: Pending

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 20, 2018 03:02 PM (oVJmc)


I'm not dead! I think I'll go for a walk.

Posted by: Obamacare at May 20, 2018 03:11 PM (NL6wI)

152 36 Trump knows there's something there.

He is like the good lawyer who doesn't ask a question unless he knows the answer.

Trump knows.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 20, 2018 02:40 PM (53Dys)

It's a skill set to be emulated.

Posted by: m at May 20, 2018 03:11 PM (0bRDi)

153 There's a whole lotta people in DC on their knees in front of a porcelain throne about now.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 03:12 PM (C4Cm9)

154 Or another good one: "Cry 'Havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!"

IF Trump quotes Shakespeare right before he eviscerates the Deep State, that would be epic.

Posted by: jmel at May 20, 2018 03:12 PM (OeWgo)

155 If you've gotten tired of All Stormy All the Time

Read about Alexander Pantages, Eunice Pringle and Joseph P. Kennedy (yes, that Joe Kennedy).

https://tinyurl.com/yazkx5a4

The likenesses are remarkable.

Trump = Pantages
Stormy Daniels = Eunice Pringle
CNN = The Los Angeles Examiner
Rudy Giuliani = Jerry Geisler
The DNC = Joe Kennedy

https://tinyurl.com/yd8f9xd9

Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at May 20, 2018 03:12 PM (EMi53)

156 It's wildly impractical and difficult," Duncan said.
"But I think it's wildly impractical and difficult that kids are shot
when they are sent to school."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2018 03:08 PM (IqV8l)

Yup....ban government schools and keep our chilluns safe from guns, sexual predators and marxists. Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 03:10 PM (EoRCO)
=====

Home schoolers must be identified and regulated.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 03:13 PM (MIKMs)

157 Or another good one: "Cry 'Havoc! And let slip the dogs of war!"



IF Trump quotes Shakespeare right before he eviscerates the Deep State, that would be epic.
Posted by: jmel at May 20, 2018 03:12 PM


Particularly if he does so in the original Klingon.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 20, 2018 03:13 PM (DMUuz)

158
The former secretary of education under President Obama, Arne Duncan, is proposing that parents keep their kids home from school until gun laws are changed.
---------

Ah. The architect of the Promise Program, and mentor of the carpetbagging school supervisor who allowed the Florida shooting to happen. Their fingerprints (including Obama's) are all over those murders.

Yeah, there's a person to listen to.

More CYA activity. It's like the Clintons claiming Trump was cozy with the Rooskies.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 20, 2018 03:13 PM (7ThJ3)

159 http://bit.ly/2IAdJc2
+++++
"Collusion against Trump" timeline | Sharyl Attkisson

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 03:14 PM (y3aQB)

160 >>>>What? Ben Shapiro Defends FBI Deep State Spy Inside Trump Campaign -GP

It's almost as if Lil Scrappy is Deep State too.

Posted by: Monk at May 20, 2018 03:14 PM (Wd0WT)

161 "parents keep their kids home from school until gun laws are changed."

Home school your kids people. One of the classes can be on firearms use and maintenance.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 03:14 PM (UdKB7)

162 145 not if he was a Demonrat...

that would just be a step towards global peace.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 20, 2018 03:10 PM (QDw86)


Yup. Didn't B.J. Clinton authorize the transfer of ICBM technology to China? For strictly peaceful purposes, of course.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at May 20, 2018 03:14 PM (NL6wI)

163
Donald Trump is guilty of 2 things:

1. Refusing to lose to a Democrat in a presidential election.

2. Obstructing injustice.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:15 PM (Er5TT)

164 I speculate that the real reason the NYT and Post aren't publicly naming Halper, is that they want someone associated with the Trump Admin to do it - then it can be claimed that that person "outed" Halper. And voila! Calls for a special counsel to investigate the "outing" of Halper.



==

the other side is already trying, per Greenwald's article, somebody named Benjamin Wittes is claiming exactly that - Trump and David Nunes, you see, revealed intelligence sources !11!11

how original they are

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 03:15 PM (/U6eQ)

165 "Treason doth never prosper."

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 03:15 PM (Dp6qK)

166 I think this means that Trump knows exactly what is in the IG's report, and that it is very good for Trump.

So he goes on the attack, finally, knowing that in two weeks everybody's jaws are going to hit the deck when that report comes out.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 20, 2018 03:15 PM (+BKF+)

167 "look into" better translate into we've already got some asses in slings.

Posted by: DaveA at May 20, 2018 03:16 PM (FhXTo)

168 Obama Legacy: Destroyed

=====

Not at all. Chicago is now on the hook for his public monuments.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 03:16 PM (MIKMs)

169 If you what to drive Trump h8trs nuts, send them these Trumpy Bear links.

https://youtu.be/i9qv8RSreIM
https://youtu.be/gk1iXI2aUlg

There's a lot more too.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 03:16 PM (9UFns)

170
Oliver Cromwell speech dissolving Parliament would be even better for Trump to use as he dissolved the Deep State:
--------------------------------------

It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go!

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 20, 2018 03:16 PM (8O3HH)

171 ''There's a whole lotta people in DC on their knees in front of a porcelain throne about now.''

We can only hope.

Posted by: Tuna at May 20, 2018 03:16 PM (jm1YL)

172

btw, I see the fbi did a thorough job of rushing down to Sante Fe and doing damage control for the Democrat party.

Fake News is saying "there were no warning signs!" for this piece of shit weirdo kid. And yet...there were.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:17 PM (Er5TT)

173 c c linton gave chi coms missle guidance systems

Posted by: cosmic debris at May 20, 2018 03:17 PM (WX+x0)

174 When did the media ever give a rip about national security?

Posted by: Northernlurker lighter less filing at May 20, 2018 03:18 PM (eAMlh)

175 former secretary of education under President Obama, Arne Duncan, is proposing that parents keep their kids home from school until gun laws are changed.

-

They're talking about the school shootings were the local, state, and federal government employees aren't performing their duties, right?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 03:18 PM (VgKNm)

176 Dis gon' be good.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 20, 2018 02:29 PM (fA1SL)
---
Someone needs to get Mike Pence case of Stoli and an Abrams, stat!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 20, 2018 03:18 PM (7UxGp)

177 chicoms reeducate muzzies by force fed pork and booze.

Redneck camp, winning.

Posted by: cosmic debris at May 20, 2018 03:18 PM (WX+x0)

178 This is to confirm the DNC's appointment. The transaction will be completed shortly.

Posted by: Muggings Gone Wrong, Inc. at May 20, 2018 03:18 PM (bYkZ0)

179 136
The former secretary of education under President Obama, Arne Duncan, is proposing that parents keep their kids home from school until gun laws are changed.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2018 03:08 PM (IqV8l)


Since public schools are basically propaganda mills, the more kids kept away from them the better.

Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2018 03:19 PM (sdi6R)

180 "Treason doth never prosper."
=====

They are all honorable men.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 03:19 PM (MIKMs)

181 One thing I read today that was an OH SHIT moment for me was when I read at Townhall:

**How the FBI and CIA Restarted the Cold War to Protect Themselves**

I had forgotten that the famous 30 Russians deported from the US occurred only 3 weeks before Trumps inauguration! Jesus, they were poisoning the well in order to promote the idea that the Russians were meddling, as a segue to claiming it was in favor of Trump!

I have no doubt the Russians do all sorts of nasty things all the time, but this is Obama deliberately poking the bear just before he hands off, for supposedly diddling the election via FaceBook! And at the same time he has FBI agent provocateurs in his successors operation, spying on Trumps people as they tried to convince the Russians not to take the bait!

Up until now I have regarded talk of treason and potential capital punishment as over-the-top. I am reconsidering, as I see an outgoing president creating international tensions between nuclear powers, in order to hide his own malfeasance!

Obama is a criminal, period!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 20, 2018 03:19 PM (WDU9h)

182 It's about darned time.
Somebody call Hillary's tailor and get her measured up for that orange suit. Barack, too.

Posted by: budman at May 20, 2018 03:19 PM (imGR/)

183
obama admin CONSPIRED against Donald Trump before the election, and the holdovers from the obama admin are still CONSPIRING against President Donald Trump after the election.


Yes, this is a real, full blown, legit Conspiracy and most likely the biggest, worst government scandal in US history.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:19 PM (Er5TT)

184 176. It is the best and only way.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 20, 2018 03:19 PM (fA1SL)

185 Nixon in the threads a lot, here.

(from the previous thread)

318 Well, shit. If all I had to do was say that the Watergate break-in was "just an investigation," things would have been fine.
Posted by: Zombie Richard Nixon at May 20, 2018 02:04 PM (53Dys)

Could you game that out?

Posted by: m at May 20, 2018 03:19 PM (0bRDi)

186 >>It's funny, but you really would think that the Deep State would turn on her by now for being such an incredible f*ck up for failing to win an election that was handed to her on a silver platter.


They can't turn on her now since they've been partnering with the Clintons for years. I imagine if there's one thing the Clintons understand, it's getting leverage over your partners in crime to keep them on their side. For example, Obama had to scuttle the email investigation, since he was emailing her private email account, including classified docs (part of the language in Comey's statement that was softened up by Strzok in his "no intent here!" statement referenced this). Another example is Mueller - he's in the middle of the Uranium One deal. And others in the IC were working for here, as she was in possession of classified docs that she was not read in on; Sid was emailing some that had been presented less than 24 hours earlier. That indicates people high up were essentially committing espionage to keep Hillary in the intel loop.

We may never know how ugly this mess was, but all indications are that the FBI, CIA and DoJ need to be dismantled and rebuilt to get rid of all the rot.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2018 03:19 PM (W+vEI)

187 i added an update about Ben Shapiro at the post's end.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2018 03:20 PM (8rNrN)

188

by the way...

the rockets "ANTARES" and Cygnus are set to launch from Virginia at around 4am.

I like the names.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:21 PM (Er5TT)

189
In the name of God, go!
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 20, 2018 03:16 PM (8O3HH)

"...and if anyone needs me, I'll be ethnically cleansing Ireland. Cheerio!"

Posted by: Also Oliver Cromwell at May 20, 2018 03:21 PM (bYkZ0)

190
Dorks: What are the significance of those names, Antares and Cygnus?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:21 PM (Er5TT)

191 Trump Sun Zhu- Dealing in the art of WAR.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 03:21 PM (C4Cm9)

192 79 77. Donald Trump does all his own stunts.
Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 20, 2018 02:52 PM (fA1SL)

Hah!

Posted by: m at May 20, 2018 03:21 PM (0bRDi)

193 Someone needs to get Mike Pence case of Stoli and an Abrams, stat!
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 20, 2018 03:18 PM (7UxGp)
+++++++++
Trump might be able to do it himself, sober. But the tanks-on-the-mall approach with a drunk Mike Pence would make for vivid symbolism.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2018 03:22 PM (hYcqw)

194
Tomorrow on Fake News: The president is demoralizing the intelligence community again!!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:22 PM (Er5TT)

195

I wonder if Trump's campaign was the only one that Bronco Bama had his people spy on?

Wouldn't be surprised to find out a couple of other campaigns were spied on, too. That would be delicious.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 03:23 PM (GdWl+)

196
Tomorrow on Fake News: "Sources" inside the intelligence departments report somber moods

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:23 PM (Er5TT)

197 Posted by: Northernlurker lighter less filing at May 20, 2018 03:18 PM (eAMlh)
++++
I know that was Rhetorical, But NO they never have

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 03:23 PM (y3aQB)

198 I just checked yaHOOOooo news and there is nothing about this.

Can't be true. However, Trump! did make a mistake on when he publicly updated us on Melania's condition.

IMPEACH!!!!

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 03:24 PM (8ikIW)

199 This is worse than Watergate. I hope every single one of these corrupt fuckers ends up in prison for life.

Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at May 20, 2018 03:24 PM (5fSr7)

200 Getting back to Sharyl Attkisson, she may be onto something with this tweet:

I think there's a major fallacy in focusing on the 2016 election without understanding the bigger part of the picture: *why* bad actors in intel community were so desperate to not have Trump elected. It's about what could be discovered about the past 10-20 years. Not just 2016.

Posted by: Lizzy


TheLibertyBell.com has a big lede linking to:
Attkisson posting the timeline of Obama and his peeps colluding against Trump. It's thorough.


Gitmo or the Aleutians, either one is fine by me.

Posted by: gNewt at May 20, 2018 03:24 PM (A4DFu)

201 "Treason doth never prosper."

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 03:15 PM (Dp6qK)
---
because, when it does, none dare call it treason.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 20, 2018 03:24 PM (QDw86)

202 wonder if Trump's campaign was the only one that Bronco Bama had his people spy on?

-

It wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn that it's why Roberts decided Obamacare was suddenly a tax.

What happens to SCOTUS decisions when it's exposed?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 03:25 PM (VgKNm)

203 I absolutely adore Trump. Not in a 65,000 texts sort of way, but you know what I mean. I pray often for his safety and the safety of his family.

Posted by: washrivergal at May 20, 2018 03:25 PM (dJklA)

204
Watergate??

Watergate was NOTHING. Watergate was blown out of proportion into a LEGEND by the Democrat party.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:26 PM (Er5TT)

205 Wouldn't be surprised to find out a couple of other campaigns were spied on, too. That would be delicious.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 03:23 PM (GdWl+)
+++++++++++
I'd be shocked if they weren't embedded in and spying on every campaign going back to the first successful Reagan campaign. I suspect they got caught flat-footed by Reagan until too late to change anything, developed their playbook in '84, and then got to work in '88, refining and expanding all along.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2018 03:26 PM (hYcqw)

206 Gitmo or the Aleutians, either one is fine by me.

Posted by: gNew


Girlyman! I say build the prison atop Kilauea.

Posted by: pep at May 20, 2018 03:26 PM (LAe3v)

207 Ben Shapiro - Deep State Uni-Brow-Party

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2018 03:27 PM (ndLr/)

208
Trump saying "go easy on Gen Flynn" is the equivalent to Watergate. Much ado about nothing.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:27 PM (Er5TT)

209 >>Gitmo or the Aleutians, either one is fine by me.


Bikini Atoll

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2018 03:27 PM (ndLr/)

210 Make Prison Ships Great Again.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, Slavic Customer Service Rep. at May 20, 2018 03:28 PM (fA1SL)

211 85 Guess should get out and work on fallen tree some more
Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 02:53 PM (aC6Sd)

You be careful out there.

Posted by: m at May 20, 2018 03:28 PM (0bRDi)

212 Gitmo or the Aleutians, either one is fine by me.
Posted by: gNewt at May 20, 2018 03:24 PM (A4DFu)
++++++++++
Not me. Gitmo, for all of its reputation, is in a paradise. Aleutians are better, but my dad works up there so personally I'd prefer an alternative.

Annex a small chunk of Yukon Territory, near the Alcan and build a penal colony there. They can farm potatoes in permafrost.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2018 03:28 PM (hYcqw)

213 I am reconsidering, as I see an outgoing president creating international tensions between nuclear powers, in order to hide his own malfeasance!

Obama is a criminal, period!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 20, 2018 03:19 PM (WDU9h)

Hear. Hear.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 03:29 PM (Dp6qK)

214 What I don't understand is why the AG, knowing this already, has not undertaken an investigation.

Something isn't right here. It shouldn't take public disclosure to get these things going.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 20, 2018 03:29 PM (J5Nd5)

215 I wonder if Trump's campaign was the only one that Bronco Bama had his people spy on?
...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobste
---------------


Bronco spying on U 2.

Posted by: gNewt at May 20, 2018 03:29 PM (A4DFu)

216 50
Valerie Jarret won't look good in an Orange Jumpsuit.

Posted by: garrett


Valerie Jarrett wouldn't look good in celestial robes and a halo.

Posted by: pep at May 20, 2018 03:29 PM (LAe3v)

217 THIS JUST IN!

We have NEW information about Trump's inflated golf handicap...

Posted by: The MSM at May 20, 2018 03:30 PM (JGBbg)

218 There's a common conflation of (A) Hillary's 33,000 deleted e-mails and (B) the DNC/Podesta hacked e-mails.

Trump and his people were half-jokingly asking the Russians (or anybody else who had them) to turn over A. "A" likely would prove Clinton Pay for Play and more. No matter their provenance, "A" was fair game as they were illegally deleted in the first place -- with the active involvement of Comey's FBI.

"B" wasn't as big a deal as the revelations were ignored by MSM, who used the hacking to build a brief against the Russians and by extension the Trump campaign. There's no evidence that the Trumpsters sought to get "B," but it's conflated with "A"

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 03:30 PM (pV/54)

219 139 Strzok, the guy who needed an insurance policy in case Trump got elected, was involved in....

Strzok can roll up the whole thing. With Page and Priestap and lots of documents corroborating.

One feckin guy sings, and it all comes out.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 03:09 PM (pV/54)

>>>

Could be, probably is what's been going on. If so, then Strzok isn't going to "take one for the Deep State/Anti-Trump/Progressive Team?" Talk about a traitor!

I noticed that the MFM has never broadcast any personal dirt about Stzrok and Page (such as even so much as confirming if they were cheating on their spouses). Like they did on Joe the Plumber and zillions of others who are threats to Progressives and their plans. The MFM must know from DoJ Deep State leakers if Stzrok or others are singing. All very curious at this time.

Posted by: Gref at May 20, 2018 03:30 PM (AMIL/)

220 188

by the way...

the rockets "ANTARES" and Cygnus are set to launch from Virginia at around 4am.

I like the names.
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:21 PM (Er5TT)


I think it's great that Wallops Island is now being used for orbital launches, after decades of being a test facility.

I'd like to watch it, but I'll most likely be asleep then, since tomorrow is a work day.

Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2018 03:30 PM (sdi6R)

221 >>Why? If campaign aides were meeting with Russian cut outs and then bragging about it (see Papadapolous), why would it be scandalous for an informant to meet with him?



Shorter Ben Shapiro:"Trump broke me!"

https://tinyurl.com/y9zolkcr

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2018 03:30 PM (W+vEI)

222 This week will be the beginning of a bad week leading to a even worse summer for Deep State faggits.

Posted by: Monk at May 20, 2018 03:30 PM (Wd0WT)

223 Hey Ben Shapiro. How does ordered logic work dickhead?

Posted by: Marcus T at May 20, 2018 03:31 PM (J5Nd5)

224 Obama has never won a major campaign without dirty tricks and the active help of MSM. Not a one.

Except maybe hapless Mitt, where he didn't need to cheat, but did.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 03:32 PM (pV/54)

225 "The linear progression of time -- how does it work?"

hah.

Savaging little Ben.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 03:32 PM (Dp6qK)

226
I think it's great that Wallops Island is now being used for orbital launches, after decades of being a test facility.


I never heard of Wallops until today!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:32 PM (Er5TT)

227 What I don't understand is why the AG, knowing this already, has not undertaken an investigation.

Something isn't right here. It shouldn't take public disclosure to get these things going.
Posted by: Marcus T at May 20, 2018 03:29 PM (J5Nd5)
++++++++++
If we have learned anything during this saga, it might be that it *does* take public disclosure. If Sessions isn't asleep at the switch and is working with the Boss on a coordinated take-down operation, then this might make sense. You can't go after the deep state without air cover, and Trump's public salvo might be exactly that. You can't so easily suppress and obstruct an investigation (and disclosures from the same) that the President made public.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2018 03:33 PM (hYcqw)

228 As he was walking out the door, Obama pissed off the Russians and CREATED AN INTERNATIONAL CRISIS in order to obscure his own campaign meddling!

Then he had the IC UNCOVER Trumps attempts to defuse it as collusion with the enemy, and leak it to the media!

Okay, I vote he swings.


Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 20, 2018 03:33 PM (WDU9h)

229 I wonder if Trump's campaign was the only one that Bronco Bama had his people spy on?

Wouldn't be surprised to find out a couple of other campaigns were spied on, too. That would be delicious.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 03:23 PM (GdWl+)


I have to wonder now about the Dem's reluctance to allow anyone to look at their computers in the Awan case.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 20, 2018 03:33 PM (Tnhbr)

230 >> "The linear progression of time -- how does it work?"


Do you want skidmarks?

Because. THIS is how you get skidmarks.

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2018 03:33 PM (ndLr/)

231 Gee, thinking back there was a lot of stuff that came out of nowhere during Romney's run. Think Obama rolled out these methods for Mitt?

It would be interesting to look at that.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 20, 2018 03:33 PM (J5Nd5)

232 whoops I screwed up my rebuttal to Ben Shapiro, completely, and scored an own goal.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2018 03:33 PM (8rNrN)

233 The linear progression of time -- how does it work?

++++

I find it amusing that the owner of a time machine would ask this question.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 20, 2018 03:33 PM (pvjTE)

234 If I must be in a prison in exile, please make it The Isle of Man.

Posted by: Barry! at May 20, 2018 03:34 PM (Wd0WT)

235 Gitmo or the Aleutians, either one is fine by me.
Posted by: gNewt at May 20, 2018 03:24 PM


What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Diego Garcia at May 20, 2018 03:34 PM (DMUuz)

236 What time is it?

https://tinyurl.com/y9kltumw

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 20, 2018 03:34 PM (UiRxW)

237 because, when it does, none dare call it treason.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 20, 2018 03:24 PM (QDw86)

Which is funny that the effete snob Enron Krugman is out there calling it treason.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 03:35 PM (Dp6qK)

238 >>>230 >> "The linear progression of time -- how does it work?"


Do you want skidmarks?

Because. THIS is how you get skidmarks.

...

alas, i fucked up. The timeline goes something like this:

April 2016: MISFUD, not Halper, mentions the Russians hacking the emails to Papadoplous

May 2016: Papadoplous mentions this to Downer (the Australian diplomat)

September 2016: Halper asks Papadopolous about the emails (Papadopolous says he doesn't know anything)

I confused the dates and who it was (Misfud, Halper) doing the talking.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2018 03:35 PM (8rNrN)

239 I'm friends with Ben on Kik.

Posted by: Barry! at May 20, 2018 03:36 PM (Wd0WT)

240 Strzok isn't going to "take one for the Deep State/Anti-Trump/Progressive Team


His ass isn't big enough to take on for the Deep State.

Posted by: Rosie Donnel at May 20, 2018 03:36 PM (A4DFu)

241 Marcus T, there has been extensive investigations going on for the last year.

It is much better to have had Congress as an active part in this. Eliminates the "Trump is a Dictator" argument. The appointment of Huber, by Sessions, makes sure there are no trials in DC.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 03:36 PM (C4Cm9)

242 Hot dogs are my favorite meat.

Posted by: Mitt Everyman Romney at May 20, 2018 03:36 PM (RHEDC)

243 232 whoops I screwed up my rebuttal to Ben Shapiro, completely, and scored an own goal.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2018 03:33 PM (8rNrN)

++++

Plus, your correction ruined my joke. That's the part that really hurts.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 20, 2018 03:36 PM (pvjTE)

244 Why? If campaign aides were meeting with Russian cut outs and then bragging about it (see Papadapolous), why would it be scandalous for an informant to meet with him?

==

because the informant helped set up the trap ? and then informed on it ?

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 03:36 PM (/U6eQ)

245 What am I, chopped liver?
Posted by: Diego Garcia

Don't you have a 6 finger man to look for?


...MSM...Maxine WaterS...

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 03:36 PM (8ikIW)

246 What I don't understand is why the AG, knowing this already, has not undertaken an investigation.



Something isn't right here. It shouldn't take public disclosure to get these things going.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 20, 2018 03:29 PM
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Trump and sessions had to let this play out or risk stepping on the toes of the IG and Prosecutor that sessions appointed and screwing that criminal investigation up.

I have no doubt that they found out what was going on during the campaign in the last few weeks and months as the IG kept digging and reporting back to DOJ. But Trump has kept his mouth shut until something pops up in the NYT or some other place, then he blasts them.

This is all an attempt to get ahead of what is coming out in the IG report. And if the media is reporting that spying was actually taking place in Trump's campaign we are going to see even worse stuff revealed when the IG report goes public.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 20, 2018 03:36 PM (+Dllb)

247 >>What I don't understand is why the AG, knowing this already, has not undertaken an investigation.



Here's my optimistic take on Sessions: He and Trump intentionally had him sit back so that when he does strike, there can be no legitimate accusations of him impeding the Mueller investigation on Trump's behalf. Having Rosenstein do it means it was guided by a non-Trump appointee, which defuses any appearance of partisanship.

Also, having him stand down has been a big ol' rope-a-dope, as it has allowed all the players - Mueller, Rosenstein and the rest to actively attempt their coup while the Horowitz investigation was actively watching them, tracking and documenting their every move.

I'd like that to be true, anyway...

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2018 03:37 PM (W+vEI)

248 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Jeb! at May 20, 2018 03:37 PM (DMUuz)

249 There's a whole lotta people in DC on their knees in front of a porcelain throne about now.

Along, not across.

Posted by: Fox2! at May 20, 2018 03:37 PM (brIR5)

250 >>alas, i fucked up.


Oh - you can get them doing squats, too.

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2018 03:37 PM (ndLr/)

251 242 Hot dogs are my favorite meat.
Posted by: Mitt Everyman Romney at May 20, 2018 03:36 PM (RHEDC)

You and me both sailor.

Posted by: Barry! at May 20, 2018 03:37 PM (Wd0WT)

252 Sharyl Atkkisson being vindicated after all the stuff she's been victim to restores hope and vanquishes much of my cynicism.

Stalwart Homeric trooper through the thick of it.

Posted by: 13times at May 20, 2018 03:37 PM (K3B2k)

253 214 What I don't understand is why the AG, knowing this already, has not undertaken an investigation.

Something isn't right here. It shouldn't take public disclosure to get these things going.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 20, 2018 03:29 PM (J5Nd5)

It would not surprise me if there already is, and this "formal" announcement is part of the show that this is not Trump using the government to punish his enemies. Guy knows how to put on a great show.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 03:38 PM (Dp6qK)

254 248 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Jeb! at May 20, 2018 03:37 PM (DMUuz)

++++

Not yet. Why don't you go away some more to see if it kicks in.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 20, 2018 03:38 PM (pvjTE)

255 What time is it?

https://tinyurl.com/y9kltumw
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 20, 2018 03:34 PM (UiRxW)
++++++++++
I am tempted to buy it, but it would be one helluva mixed metaphor...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2018 03:38 PM (hYcqw)

256 226
I never heard of Wallops until today!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:32 PM (Er5TT)


As a test facility, it was established in 1945 and predates Cape Canaveral. In the late 40s and early 50s, instrumented models of the new supersonic airplanes were attached to small solid-fuel rockets and launched. This was because wind tunnels at the time could not model conditions in the transonic region very well. After that period, lots of scientific sounding rockets were launched to study the upper atmosphere, a practice which continues to this day.

Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2018 03:39 PM (sdi6R)

257

Ace shoulda posted a pic of Jeff Sessions wearing a nightcap with this poat.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:40 PM (Er5TT)

258 There's no evidence that the Trumpsters sought to get "B," but it's conflated with "A"

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 03:30 PM (pV/54)

Mueller is focusing on Stone and associates to try to establish the former (Podesta/DNC).

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 03:40 PM (Dp6qK)

259 Yes, this is a real, full blown, legit Conspiracy and most likely the biggest, worst government scandal in US history.------------------------------------

I imagine so, but I'm pretty sure this type of thing is SOP for the Democrats/DS.

We only found about it because Trump won, and fights.
Why did John Roberts write the majority opinion on ObamaCare which then mysteriously became the dissent? This isn't a conspiracy theory, mind you. It was reported in Salon of all places. I would guess whatever the reason is is also a pretty fucking big scandal.

Posted by: Mega at May 20, 2018 03:40 PM (rv0Fo)

260 >>It would not surprise me if there already is, and this "formal" announcement is part of the show that this is not Trump using the government to punish his enemies. Guy knows how to put on a great show.



Like he did with McCabe.
He tweeted that shot across the bow about McCabe not making it to retirement, and sure enough, the FBI itself was already in the process of recommending he be fired.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2018 03:41 PM (W+vEI)

261 regardless, they're all gonna walk.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 20, 2018 03:41 PM (Pg+x7)

262

rickl, how long you think those rockets will be visible to human eye after launch?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:41 PM (Er5TT)

263 I am tempted to buy it, but it would be one helluva mixed metaphor...
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2018 03:38 PM (hYcqw)
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I was }{ this close to buying it yesterday.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 20, 2018 03:41 PM (UiRxW)

264 Ace, you are correct is asking if the 'media' are traitors. The are, as a matter of strict fact, traitors. As are most on the commie islamo-sympathizing left.

Posted by: Eromero at May 20, 2018 03:41 PM (zLDYs)

265 Has everyone noticed that meuller's team and their leaks, comey, brennan and Senator mccain and his wife have gone completely silent in the last few days?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 20, 2018 03:41 PM (+Dllb)

266

btw, notice how that fake hero cuck Trey Gowdy has absolutely no interest in any of this?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:42 PM (Er5TT)

267 Lizzy, good read.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 03:42 PM (C4Cm9)

268 Very descriptive blog, I enjoyed that bit. Will there be a part
2?

Posted by: Riddleschoolunblocked.Com at May 20, 2018 03:42 PM (MFxkU)

269 Mueller got in so deep that he does not know how gracefully extricate himself from this fiasco; his moves look more and more desperate. He is trying to salvage his reputation, he hasn't accepted that the only way to do it is to shut this shiiit investigation down.

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 03:43 PM (/U6eQ)

270 Trump is going on offense bigly! Let's call it Operation Wolverine!
++++
http://bit.ly/2Li3qew

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 03:44 PM (y3aQB)

271 Trump has a modus operandi where he gives bad actors a chance to get off the hook. If they blow it, he has license to go medieval on their ass.

Asking Comey to go easy on Flynn, when Trump knew Flynn was getting framed, is an example.

There were many media talking heads who said that Trump was crazy -- 25th Amendment Crazy! -- to say that the Obamans were spying on him during the campaign. Will they double down now?

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 03:44 PM (pV/54)

272 Did shit get real?

On a Sunday?

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2018 03:44 PM (+lOpA)

273 262

rickl, how long you think those rockets will be visible to human eye after launch?
Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:41 PM (Er5TT)


It depends on where you are. If you're near there, it should be bright and obvious. I've seen a couple launches from there at night from my front yard, which is 170 miles north of the site.

Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2018 03:45 PM (sdi6R)

274 I miss the burning skeleton heads.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 03:45 PM (MVjcR)

275 Rest assured, if Trump is "tweeting" this now, he has all the backup information to go along with it. All of it. He is now waiting for the opposition to start circling the wagons this week, see who comes out of the woodwork, what they misdirect to, and what wrong moves they make.

I am expecting the STHTF well in time for the midterms (the good shit, our shit), and am waiting patiently for Trump to start ripping apart/demoralizing the various identity group factions of the Democrat Party. Reminding or informing each of them that the Democrats only want their vote and never deliver.
You will know it when you see it. I would not be surprised if General Eric Republican pulls ahead on the ballot by Septemberish.

Posted by: Mega at May 20, 2018 03:45 PM (rv0Fo)

276 Gitmo or the Aleutians, either one is fine by me.
Posted by: gNewt

Drop him off on Attu (or Kiska) with 2 x 30 day pallets of MREs. Every 30 days, LAPES another pallet on the beach. Pallets dispense one MRE 3 times a day, which may or may not correspond to local morning, noon and evening.

MRE consist is composed by surveying troops, and pulling the least favored types out of general circulation.

Posted by: Fox2! at May 20, 2018 03:45 PM (brIR5)

277 The Hammer of God. 45th

Posted by: cosmic debris at May 20, 2018 03:46 PM (WX+x0)

278 "He is trying to salvage his reputation,"

I believe he can get indicted over the Flynn Frame.

I don't understand his role in Uranium One, except for giving the Clintons a pass.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 03:46 PM (pV/54)

279 A Sunday Ace post, worthy of a part 2, with flaming skulls. The surprise will be that this went on in 2012 with Romney as well. He rolled over after the first debate.

Posted by: Uncle Si at May 20, 2018 03:46 PM (CCX7M)

280 i read the longest blog post last night that laid out a ton of theories, among them...

dnc was hacked by a russian university
dutch alerted fbi
fbi alerted dnc, who sat on it for five days, while they hired cyber-security.
meanwhile wiki tweets they will publish hills emails.
to counter, luccifer2 was created to cast doubt on wiki AND the luccifer stuff came from someone on the east coast on a laptop belonging to vp biden staff.

as it became apparent djt would be (r) nominee, leaks from hills staff to friendly print (wapo, politico) began appearing to create the whole russia!trump meme.

Posted by: concrete girl at May 20, 2018 03:46 PM (TNEdO)

281 Gitmo or the Aleutians, either one is fine by me.

Embrace the healing power of "and".

Posted by: King Solomon at May 20, 2018 03:46 PM (JGBbg)

282 When I was a soldier I had personal political beliefs (I voted for Reagan) but I took great pride in performing my duties apolitically. I considered it a duty and part of my oath. That same ethic should be demanded of every Federal employee and punished by firing - with extreme prejudice) if not adhered to.

Am I hopelessly naive? Fuck it, even if I am, that should be the goal of any honorable American.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 20, 2018 03:46 PM (DK0L4)

283 When I was a mere WeaselPup living in Tallahassee we used to see atmospheric sounding rockets launch from Elgin AFB.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 03:47 PM (MVjcR)

284 I think it's great that Wallops Island is now being used for orbital launches, after decades of being a test facility.


I never heard of Wallops until today!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at May 20, 2018 03:32 PM (Er5TT)
----

Went on a tour of Wallops and would recommend it to any enthusiasts out there.

Also, love that there is something called the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport. Such a mundane name for something so futuristic. Hey, it is the 21st Century after all.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 03:47 PM (qJtVm)

285 CBS News
@CBSNews
At DNC women's forum, Hillary Clinton declares Democrats stand for truth, evidence and facts

Maybe it's a stand-up routine. "Take my felonies, please!"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 03:47 PM (+y/Ru)

286 if meeting with a foreigner for dirt on a political opponent is "illegal" then what the "F" is meeting with Chris Steele?

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 03:47 PM (sB8d1)

287
The Sunday of the Long Knives.

Expect our "public intellectuals" and "thought leaders" explicitly to hope for assassination or military takeover.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 03:47 PM (KkX1P)

288 Campaign aides met with Russian cutouts hired by the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Posted by: Wodun at May 20, 2018 03:48 PM (Zrqab)

289 I miss the burning skeleton heads.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 03:45 PM (MVjcR)
----
Ummm... I think the word you're looking for "skulls"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 20, 2018 03:48 PM (UiRxW)

290 Ben Shapiro thought it was hilarious when a SWAT team raided Trump's lawyer.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 20, 2018 03:49 PM (rnAwa)

291 Help a moronic layman out -- is this a big deal? And who would conduct the investigation?

Posted by: joncelli, nominal Lutheran at May 20, 2018 03:49 PM (1FhAQ)

292 Eglin AFB not Elgin

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 03:49 PM (MVjcR)

293 coluzhion between Hillary and GOPe

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 03:49 PM (/U6eQ)

294 "I still don't see how mentioning the emails to anyone could be grounds to begin an investigation -- everyone was speculating about the idea that Russians had the emails for months; it was one of the reasons people said Clinton should be indicted -- and I'd like Ben Shapiro to explain that to me."


Everyone presumed the Russians had the deleted emails (even Strozk, IIRC, makes mention of possible state actors having gotten access). Everything that they have run with says they believe Russia had the emails.

That still does not explain why, little Ben, Misfud - conveniently disappeared - telling a Trump campaign guy the Russian's had them, would cause the early 2016 FBI/CIA descending on the Trump campaign with human intelligence operations, when they didn't even bother to seize and investigate hillary's or the DNC's fucking servers, if they were so g-damned concerned about national security!

I'd like to know what other leads and operations they had going on to pursue Russian meddling/hacking/email propagating, at the time. I expect we will see a distinct lack of interest in anyone other than someone with a connection to Trump.

Ben is an asshole who is playing games with the obvious implications. Stupid dwarf.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 03:49 PM (Dp6qK)

295 McCain, what does he say about this?
Why hasn't the media reported his position?

Posted by: gNewt at May 20, 2018 03:49 PM (A4DFu)

296 Shapiro should recall the equal balance test before going the tendentious route.

If the FBI started a counter intelligence investigation on the Hillary campaign on no basis whatsoever (a super peripheral volunteer to the campaing's fringe asserting Russia! had some contact with her campaign) then the left would be justifiably outraged.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 20, 2018 03:49 PM (rBnYq)

297 The Democrat Party is the enemy of everything American. They prove it by word and deed every day and have been doing so for decades.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 20, 2018 03:50 PM (DK0L4)

298 Why dont the nevertrumpers want to clean this out, dont they think it will be much dirtier next time if this is allowed to stay in the system?
It will be one party state venezuela style if this isn't purged.

Posted by: muckrack at May 20, 2018 03:50 PM (RbR1e)

299 I miss the burning skeleton heads.
Posted by: Weasel


Ironic flame-upon-head imagery has been deferred until after Pentecost.

Posted by: mikeski at May 20, 2018 03:50 PM (JGBbg)

300 Is it popcorn time?

Posted by: josephistan at May 20, 2018 03:50 PM (ANIFC)

301 My favorite Wallops launch photo:

http://www.planetary.org/multimedia/space___s/misc/wallops-frog.html

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 03:50 PM (qJtVm)

302 Notice how PDT is calling on the DOJ and not a 2nd special counsel to investigate the DOJ/FBI? Snoozy Sessions has been playing possum, not snoozing. PDT is laying down an artillery barrage to prepare for the release of the OIG report followed by indictments by Huber.

Posted by: Hobo with a laptop at May 20, 2018 03:50 PM (Dgce0)

303 As soon as Ben Shapiro white knighted and started masturbating to fantasies of reattaching Michelle Fields arm back in place I knew I could never take him seriously about anything again.

Posted by: Froderick Wonkensteen at May 20, 2018 03:51 PM (+dsLj)

304 mc crains position is supine and very still

Posted by: cosmic debris at May 20, 2018 03:51 PM (WX+x0)

305 wasn't diego garcia married to frieda kahlo?

Posted by: Adobe Juan Calhoon Kenobe at May 20, 2018 03:51 PM (Nf7ch)

306 290
Ben Shapiro thought it was hilarious when a SWAT team raided Trump's lawyer.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 20, 2018 03:49 PM (rnAwa)

Isn't Shatpiro a lawyer himself?

Posted by: muckrack at May 20, 2018 03:51 PM (RbR1e)

307 In the midst of all this doom unt gloom, here's an upbeat item to cheer The Horde:

Former Secretary of State and 1st Runner Up in the 2016 United States Presidential Election, Hillary Rodham Clinton, will be awarded Harvard University's Radcliffe Medal in Cambridge, which Harvard says honors individuals
whose life and work have had a "transformative impact on society."

Hillary! was chosen because she's a "champion for human
rights," a "skilled legislator" and "an advocate of American leadership"
on the world stage.



Former Secretary of State and 2001 Radcliffe Medalist Madeleine
Albright will deliver a personal tribute to Hillary!, and Massachusetts
Attorney General Maura Healey will take part in a keynote conversation
with Hillary! Friday.

No word on access donations ticket prices, or whether autographed copies of Hillary!'s latest book will be available.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 20, 2018 03:51 PM (DMUuz)

308 And to press an obvious point that many have noted for almost a year (recently making an impression on Andy McCarthy) why hasn't Mueller yet secured the Goddamned DNC server, supposedly "hacked", and forming the entire basis of the "Russia hacked my election" investigation in the first place?

And where's Wasserman's laptop? Has anyone gone over what it shows the head DNC tech people knew or thought about "hacking" and what it also shows about who knew what when about Hillary's obviously illegal private server (as well as showing conspiracy, obstruction and perjury by Abadeen, Mills and others).

Where is DWS's Pakistani tech Awan these days, and why hasn't he been questioned what he knew when about the alleged "hacking" and what he knew about Hillary's server setup?

If in the 1970s it was "follow the money" in our time, it should be "follow the computer trail." It all leads straight to Hillary and the DNC.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 20, 2018 03:51 PM (koNhm)

309 we also have to realize the left is insane and any road to making anything anyone associated with trump into a crime is the only path they seek. since there is literally no chance a similar standard will be applied to them, who cares?

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 03:52 PM (sB8d1)

310 After all the fuss about Crossfire Hurricane a few days ago, and all the Rolling Stones puns in the comments here, I'm still shocked that no one (I'm pretty sure) has yet said "Mother's Little Halper".

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at May 20, 2018 03:52 PM (jGvNH)

311 The FBI knew Manafort was working with and for the Podesta Brothers when he had his Ukraine contacts, the very cause for his present indictment. Why then aren't they investigating the Podestas alongside Manafort/Gates and the Hillary campaign right alongside the Trump campaign?

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 20, 2018 03:52 PM (rBnYq)

312 300 Is it popcorn time?
Posted by: josephistan at May 20, 2018 03:50 PM (ANIFC)

I have my Hitachi Wand plugged in and a gallon of lube.

Posted by: Not Stromy Daniels at May 20, 2018 03:52 PM (Wd0WT)

313 "And to press an obvious point that many have noted for almost a year (recently making an impression on Andy McCarthy) why hasn't Mueller yet secured the Goddamned DNC server, supposedly "hacked", and forming the entire basis of the "Russia hacked my election" investigation in the first place? "

becuase mueller has not investigated russian "collusion" or anything related to what the clinton campaign complained about but was rather a fishing expedition from the start, enabled by rosenstein.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 03:53 PM (sB8d1)

314 "Treason doth never prosper."
=====

They are all honorable men.

-
Who, me?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 03:53 PM (+y/Ru)

315 289 I miss the burning skeleton heads.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 03:45 PM (MVjcR)
----
Ummm... I think the word you're looking for "skulls"
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 20, 2018 03:48 PM (UiRxW)


lol

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2018 03:53 PM (+lOpA)

316 >>Where is DWS's Pakistani tech Awan these days, and why hasn't he been questioned what he knew when about the alleged "hacking" and what he knew about Hillary's server setup?


The Awan hearing keeps getting rescheduled - Luke Rosiak, God bless him, has been all over this story. With the most recent postponement he was wondering who was assisting Swan in getting this done.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2018 03:54 PM (W+vEI)

317 I have this theory that Barky has pics of Mittens sucking cock backstage at an Angel concert and is using it to force Romney to run again.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 03:54 PM (UdKB7)

318 "Ben Shapiro thought it was hilarious when a SWAT team raided Trump's lawyer."

is there anyone in the judiciary or legal community that cares about the end of lawyer=client privilege for the sake of political games?

sad?

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 03:54 PM (sB8d1)

319 284
Went on a tour of Wallops and would recommend it to any enthusiasts out there.

Also, love that there is something called the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport. Such a mundane name for something so futuristic. Hey, it is the 21st Century after all.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 03:47 PM (qJtVm)


I went on the tour when I was a kid in the 60s. I was disappointed that there were no launches while I was there.

Here are a couple of lectures about Wallops Island history:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtKa3mtdf2Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHvTcTe8-ko

There are other videos on YouTube as well.

Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2018 03:54 PM (sdi6R)

320 @313
You know and I know, and yes the question is for this audience rhetorical. But its a point that could and should be made clearly for the general public. Really, Trump should immediately order to secure all the forensic evidence, which even the DNC couldn't spin to "obstruction" (how could one "obstruct" by getting even more evidence)?

Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 20, 2018 03:55 PM (koNhm)

321

The FBI knew Manafort was working with and for the Podesta Brothers when he had his Ukraine contacts, the very cause for his present indictment. Why then aren't they investigating the Podestas alongside Manafort/Gates and the Hillary campaign right alongside the Trump campaign?

==

remind me how was he working on behalf of podesta bros in Ukraine ?

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 03:55 PM (/U6eQ)

322 A Joe Scarborough music hit would go great with this post.

Posted by: Monk at May 20, 2018 03:55 PM (Wd0WT)

323 Why? If campaign aides were meeting with Russian cut outs and then bragging about it (see Papadapolous), why would it be scandalous for an informant to meet with him?


Maybe I'm getting the timeline wrong, too, but here's my question:

Why was there an informant embedded in the campaign in the first place? Was the informant already embedded prior to Papadapolous "bragging"? If so, then it might appear Ben is begging the question.

Posted by: Hands at May 20, 2018 03:55 PM (EzdLW)

324 The Russians owned the ISP Hillary's private server used to get to the internet, via a Luxembourg cut out company, so every single email she sent or received flowed through a Kremlin owned gateway before it got to its intended destination.

Did the FBI open a counter intelligence investigation of that hugely concerning national security fact? If not, why not?


Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 20, 2018 03:55 PM (rBnYq)

325 I have my Hitachi Wand plugged in and a gallon of lube.
Posted by: Not Stromy Daniels at May 20, 2018 03:52 PM (Wd0WT)
+++++++++++
If things pan out properly, you're gonna need a bigger boat: https://tinyurl.com/y9ctjtv2

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 20, 2018 03:55 PM (hYcqw)

326 NOOD -- I think most of the horde went to talk about food

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 20, 2018 03:56 PM (5Yee7)

327 And to press an obvious point that many have noted
for almost a year (recently making an impression on Andy McCarthy) why
hasn't Mueller yet secured the Goddamned DNC server, supposedly
"hacked", and forming the entire basis of the "Russia hacked my
election" investigation in the first place?



And where's Wasserman's laptop? Has anyone gone over what it shows
the head DNC tech people knew or thought about "hacking" and what it
also shows about who knew what when about Hillary's obviously illegal
private server (as well as showing conspiracy, obstruction and perjury
by Abadeen, Mills and others).



Where is DWS's Pakistani tech Awan these days, and why hasn't he
been questioned what he knew when about the alleged "hacking" and what
he knew about Hillary's server setup?



If in the 1970s it was "follow the money" in our time, it should be
"follow the computer trail." It all leads straight to Hillary and the
DNC.



Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 20, 2018 03:51 PM (koNhm)


THIS x 1000

Posted by: LGoPs at May 20, 2018 03:56 PM (DK0L4)

328 remind me how was he working on behalf of podesta bros in Ukraine ?

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 03:55 PM (/U6eQ)
======================their firm employed him. that's why the firm closed down.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 20, 2018 03:56 PM (rBnYq)

329 Posted by: Diego Garcia at May 20, 2018 03:34 PM (DMUuz)

Diego Garcia, like Ascension Island, is British territory. Gitmo is ours.

Posted by: Fox2! at May 20, 2018 03:57 PM (brIR5)

330 "Who hacked the DNC server" was part of Mueller's mandate, as he took over the FBI investigation of it.
But we know he hasn't done a goddamn thing about it, wanting the conclusion of 17 agencies to go down as the official record.

It's amazing that the physical fates of the DNC server and the Weiner laptop are publicly unknown, and not even asked about by MSM

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 03:57 PM (pV/54)

331 their firm employed him. that's why the firm closed down.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 20, 2018 03:56 PM (rBnYq)

that's what I am asking, what was he doing for them in Ukraine ?

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 03:57 PM (/U6eQ)

332

McCain, what does he say about this?


*Beep* ala Capt. Pike.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 03:57 PM (GdWl+)

333 Strozk and Page are singing like birds.
It's the only reason they are still on the payroll.

Posted by: navybrat, chillin' and thrillin' at May 20, 2018 03:58 PM (w7KSn)

334 At DNC women's forum, Hillary Clinton declares Democrats stand for truth, evidence and facts
------------------
And they sit for rising black employment and American citizens murdered by illegals.

Posted by: Mega at May 20, 2018 03:58 PM (rv0Fo)

335 TREAT HER LIKE A LADY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmXkFyH2Vl0

Posted by: The Cornelius Brothers w/ Sister Rose at May 20, 2018 04:00 PM (ndLr/)

336 Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 20, 2018 03:56 PM (rBnYq)
+++++
NAH!!!, That Podesta Firm is dirtier than Manafort

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 04:00 PM (y3aQB)

337 Odd how some of the key players have been silent lately, huh?

No more quotes from Comey or Brennan. I guess all that shit doesn't pass muster with their defense attorneys.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 20, 2018 04:00 PM (J5Nd5)

338 Food thread always makes me hungry. Can we talk about snail sex or something else?

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 04:02 PM (UdKB7)

339 Posted by: navybrat, chillin' and thrillin' at May 20, 2018 03:58 PM (w7KSn)
++++
Page got fired about 10 days ago Strzok is still singing as is Priestap

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 04:03 PM (y3aQB)

340 that's what I am asking, what was he doing for them in Ukraine ?

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 03:57 PM (/U6eQ)
========================Can't recall; it's ancient history anyway (ten years ago). Ask google, not me. Something faintly nefarious, in partnership with other bad people. The DOJ investigated it at the time and decided not to indict, but Mueller changed that judgment so as to pressure Manafort/Gates (as Judge Ellis noted). But where are their original co-defendants?

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 20, 2018 04:04 PM (rBnYq)

341 And given the Cohen and Manafort precedents, I think Trump/Sessions should be ordering DOJ no-knock raids on Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS.

Seize their files, computers and put yellow tape around their offices. Incidentally they would of course be totally shut down for business, forced to spend a fortune to laywer up while watching all their clients jump like rats off a sinking ship.

Play by their rules.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at May 20, 2018 04:04 PM (koNhm)

342 I find the food thread depressing, since I don't have the cooking gene.

Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2018 04:04 PM (sdi6R)

343
292 Eglin AFB not Elgin
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 03:49 PM


Thanks for the correction, Weasel.

I was about to have to get a bit pedantic, as an 11 year veteran of VPS!

Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 20, 2018 04:05 PM (4DCSq)

344 "Strozk and Page are singing like birds. "

Singing to whom?

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 04:05 PM (H8QX8)

345 A real tell will be if the MSM talking heads ignore Trump's tweet storm.

The only angle I can see is they're claiming that the President shouldn't order DOJ investigations of political opponents, and avoid any discussion of the merits of Trump's charges.

The dumb ones will double down on Trump's being paranoid crazy, and how can he negotiate with Fat Boy while carrying our nuclear football.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 04:06 PM (pV/54)

346 Pint being Ace, the email conversation was a pretext for an op that was already conceived or partially in motion.

I don't think we know everything yet.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 20, 2018 04:08 PM (J5Nd5)

347 "It's amazing that the physical fates of the DNC server and the Weiner laptop are publicly unknown, and not even asked about by MSM"

i have a strong suspicion that everyone, including the media, knows where they are and who is sifting through them

Posted by: artemis at May 20, 2018 04:08 PM (AwPyG)

348 Can't recall; it's ancient history anyway (ten years ago). Ask google, not me. Something faintly nefarious, in partnership with other bad people. The DOJ investigated it at the time and decided not to indict, but Mueller changed that judgment so as to pressure Manafort/Gates (as Judge Ellis noted). But where are their original co-defendants?

=

you brought it up , not google, that is why I asked you. I recall Manafort's work with one of the Ukranian parties during their elections, and then - as a separate matter, Podestas working with someone there, but do not recall Manafort working or being employed by Podesta for his work with Ukraine, or being in any way tied to Podesta.

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 04:08 PM (/U6eQ)

349 "As soon as Ben Shapiro white knighted and started masturbating to fantasies of reattaching Michelle Fields arm back in place I knew I could never take him seriously about anything again."

Yes, that did it for me too. Mind boggling bad judgment. Like a little kid.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 04:08 PM (H8QX8)

350 The Russians owned the ISP Hillary's private server used to get to the internet, via a Luxembourg cut out company, so every single email she sent or received flowed through a Kremlin owned gateway before it got to its intended destination.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter
------------------------------


Man o Manischewitz that sounds delicious.
Will you share a citation of that?

Posted by: gNewt at May 20, 2018 04:09 PM (A4DFu)

351 The Michele Fields thing was just like the Chelsea! thing and the Meghan McCain thing and now the meghan markle thing--they are trying to find a person to be a celebrity rallying-point

Posted by: artemis at May 20, 2018 04:11 PM (AwPyG)

352 It's amazing that the same splooge-covered laptop that houses secrets which can take down the Clinton-Obama-Brennan-Comey Cabal houses a collection of mini-me Weiner dick pics.

Shit you can't make up.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 04:13 PM (pV/54)

353 A fitting repository.

Posted by: gNewt at May 20, 2018 04:13 PM (A4DFu)

354 Posted by: gNewt at May 20, 2018 04:09 PM (A4DFu)
==========================

It was from this site I learned it, back years ago when the events surrounding Hillary's server were first unfolding. It'll take some time to find again.

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 20, 2018 04:15 PM (rBnYq)

355 Why does everyone assume that it was only the Russians who hacked Hillary's emails? or the DNC server? There are dozens of other players with sufficient capability to do so - why wouldn't they?

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at May 20, 2018 04:15 PM (o7l6R)

356 What the Reagan Campaign did was try to get the inside scoop on Carter policy. Every campaign does that--and every reporter, too, Reagan was just trying to win an election, not rig one. So don't let them tell you 'Everyone does it.' Bullshit.

Reagan wasn't trying to wiretap and frame Jimmy Carter and Carter wasn't trying to wiretap and frame Reagan. There is a connection, though; Hillary got the "RUSSIA!"-hoax model from the Iranian October Surprise-hoax.

President Trump was wrong about one thing, though. He recently said the Mueller probe was one year old. The Mueller Hoax is merely a continuation of Brennan/Comey Coup cooked up in the Oval Office over two years ago.

Watergate was a footnote compared to this seditious conspiracy. And unlike Watergate, the #FakeNews today are helping the perps tape the door locks, erase the audio tapes and craft the Inoperative Statements.

And now they're twisting slowly, slowly in the wind.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at May 20, 2018 04:19 PM (Ndje9)

357 "And given the Cohen and Manafort precedents, I think Trump/Sessions should be ordering DOJ no-knock raids on Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS"

that this hasn't happened makes me feel like a second class citizen.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 04:21 PM (sB8d1)

358 356 The Gipper Lives

I like it.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 04:21 PM (hyuyC)

359 you brought it up , not google, that is why I asked
you. I recall Manafort's work with one of the Ukranian parties during
their elections, and then - as a separate matter, Podestas working with
someone there, but do not recall Manafort working or being employed by
Podesta for his work with Ukraine, or being in any way tied to Podesta.

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 04:08 PM (/U6eQ)
First, it hardly matters at all what they were doing together. But since you care, here's the first link that popped up in the thousands of returned hits. Just do your own search and you will no doubt find hours of happy reading.

https://tinyurl.com/y8qmtryz

Posted by: Huck Follywood, Vigilance Committee supporter at May 20, 2018 04:21 PM (rBnYq)

360 "The FBI has repeatedly lied about the origins of this "investigation." First it was sparked by the Steele Dossier. When the highly dubious and partisan nature of the document was revealed, they edited their story to claim it all originated with this Papadopolous mention of the emails to Downer."

someone bragging about having the emails that hillary lost sparks an investigation into *that* person?

what?

This makes no sense.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 04:22 PM (sB8d1)

361 Also, to be honest, hasn't every deepstate swamp creature known this day was coming once Trump won the election?

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 04:23 PM (sB8d1)

362 One fib we were sold is that no one hacked Hillary's home brew secret server, But it was only because of hack of Sid Vicious that turned up an e-mail from that server that publicly disclosed HRC was using that server.

Another fib was that it was only the Russians that could have hacked the DNC and Podesta. FFS, Podesta himself got phished, and there's evidence that the DNC hack had to be an inside job because of the recorded download speed.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 04:25 PM (pV/54)

363 "I still don't see how mentioning the emails to anyone could be grounds to begin an investigation -- everyone was speculating about the idea that Russians had the emails for months; it was one of the reasons people said Clinton should be indicted -- and I'd like Ben Shapiro to explain that to me."

lol. and mueller wanted to question trump about his public joke about "if anyone has the emails...maybe russia? let us know" as if that's crime.

The underlying, insane, idea that talking to foreigners who may have dirt on someone is somehow bad itself has to be demolished.

I watched SNL last night, and the 4 minutes of it that were watchable were...meh...but the trump stuff, they're -get this- all in on the idea that merely meeting with russians, is itself evil.

uhhh, what a world they weave...

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 04:26 PM (sB8d1)

364 Tony Podesta left the firm on October 30, 2017, after finding out about increased scrutiny of the firm
+++++
the Podesta Group is mentioned in the indictment as one of the companies that lobbied on behalf of the Ukrainian government for Manafort and Gates. On that day, Tony Podesta stepped down as head of the Podesta Group.[15]

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 04:26 PM (y3aQB)

365 "FS, Podesta himself got phished, and there's evidence that the DNC hack had to be an inside job because of the recorded download speed."

first, obviously you owe an apology to all 17 intel agencies who devoted untold hours investigating this...you're clearly anti-intellgience community.

second, mueller hasn't looked into any of this because he was never interested in it.

there needs to be a special counsel to audit the first special counsel.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 04:27 PM (sB8d1)

366 Also, to be honest, hasn't every deepstate swamp creature known this day was coming once Trump won the election?

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 04:23 PM
-----------------
I bet they thought it would never come out this quick and that rosenstien and meuller would stall and stall long enough for the Statue of Limitations clock to run out and everyone would say....never mind.

Either that or they thought hillary was such a lock to win that they didn't even think that far ahead.

If I was strozk or some other high ranking FBI/DOJ guy that was in on this plot I would have ran to the IG and thrown myself on their mercy asking for immunity to spill my guts.

But that's just me and I would have never got involved in anything like this in the first place.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 20, 2018 04:29 PM (+Dllb)

367 "question trump about his public joke about "if anyone has the emails...maybe russia? let us know" "

And Katy Tur immediately asked Trump "doesn't that give you pause that you're consorting with a foreign government." The joke went over her tits.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 04:30 PM (pV/54)

368 I believe Devin Nunes outsmarted Rat Rosenstein by turning down the Friday meeting (w/DOJ). Furthermore, Nunes is correct...Rat Rosenstein had no intention of giving Nunes the info he was seeking regarding the August 17 memo to Mueller clarifying his "role" vis-a-vis his SC powers.

Nunes rightly has come to the conclusion that the meeting was merely cover for the NYT & WaPo cover stories....that the FBI/DOJ were spying on the Trump campaign in order to save us from ourselves, or whatever this idiocy is that the MsM is trying to push. Obviously, nothing has changed regarding selective leaking from DOJ/FBI deep state operators. Do you smell desperation? I do.

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 04:30 PM (y3aQB)

369 The joke couldn't have gone over my head. My reflexes are too fast. I would have caught it.

Posted by: Katy Tur's Tits at May 20, 2018 04:31 PM (pV/54)

370 "FS, Podesta himself got phished, and there's evidence that the DNC hack had to be an inside job because of the recorded download speed."
++++
Zombie Seth Rich applauds vociferously

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 04:32 PM (y3aQB)

371 Podesta himself got phished, and there's evidence that the DNC hack had to be an inside job because of the recorded download speed.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 04:25 PM (pV/54)

It wasn't recorded download speed, it was file write times. That evidence is inconclusive, as the files could be downloaded to a device, and then copied locally to give that evidence of write times.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 04:32 PM (Dp6qK)

372 And Katy Tur immediately asked Trump "doesn't that give you pause that you're consorting with a foreign government." The joke went over her tits.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 04:30 PM (pV/54)

-

It would be interesting to know when they were given the story.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 04:34 PM (VgKNm)

373 Unless sessions unrecuses himself, his recusal specifically removes him from "all matters" dealing w the "elections." That's why wittes referenced rosenstein and wray; they would be the "investigators," G-d help us.

Posted by: Ever at May 20, 2018 04:35 PM (OLS0m)

374
TheLastRefuge
Finally!! #TheBigUgly

The zippo is airborne..

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 04:35 PM (y3aQB)

375 Unless sessions unrecuses himself, his recusal specifically removes him from "all matters" dealing w the "elections." That's why wittes referenced rosenstein and wray; they would be the "investigators," G-d help us.
+++
have you done any reading about Jon Huber??

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 04:36 PM (y3aQB)

376 @371 I stand corrected.

But at best the Russians are suspects. Someone here said that it's like coming home to find a burgled home with a strange empty can of Fosters in the hallway, and then saying the Aussies did it.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 04:36 PM (pV/54)

377 I continue to believe that the best punishment for Ex-President Cock-Curious would be to spend the rest of his life stranded on a deserted island with only Mooch as company.

Likewise Hillary stranded with Bill. No underaged pussy available for Bill and no alcohol for Hillary.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 20, 2018 04:37 PM (+BKF+)

378 isn't this, in a way, an attempt by trump to obstruct justice...I mean, right?

--the SNL,NYT,CNN writers' rooms, all at once.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 04:37 PM (sB8d1)

379 >>Likewise Hillary stranded with Bill. No underaged pussy available for Bill and no alcohol for Hillary.


And no lube for the Obamas.

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2018 04:38 PM (ndLr/)

380 But at best the Russians are suspects. Someone here said that it's like coming home to find a burgled home with a strange empty can of Fosters in the hallway, and then saying the Aussies did it."

yeah, even worse than that...or maybe just like that...there's plenty of spoofing software out there, so easy a caveman can use it.

It's like saying clark kent couldn't be superman because superman doesn't wear glasses.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 04:39 PM (sB8d1)

381 Brennan responds with a warning to Yertle and Eddie Munster:

https://tinyurl.com/ybtvvz83

Shit's getting real.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 20, 2018 04:39 PM (4ErVI)

382 trump's order to investigate spying on his campaign should conflict out rosenstein as well. maybe also mueller.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 04:42 PM (sB8d1)

383 381
Brennan responds with a warning to Yertle and Eddie Munster:



https://tinyurl.com/ybtvvz83



Shit's getting real.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 20, 2018 04:39 PM (4ErVI)

The orwellian mentality of Brennan is amazing.
His corruption being exposed is a threat to democracy!?

Posted by: muckrack at May 20, 2018 04:44 PM (RbR1e)

384 Brennan responds with a warning to Yertle and Eddie Munster:



https://tinyurl.com/ybtvvz83



Shit's getting real.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 20, 2018 04:39 PM
----------------------------
He also sent a veiled threat to Trump in a tweet where he referenced Cicero:
"Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error.

Marcus Tullius Cicero, (106-43 BC)"
Cicero was assassinated for speaking up about the corrupt Emperors of Rome and wanted a return to the Republican style of Government.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 20, 2018 04:45 PM (+Dllb)

385 Likewise Hillary stranded with Bill. No underaged pussy available for Bill and no alcohol for Hillary.

Put em on an island together. Bill and Hill and Barry and Hairy.

Posted by: Shep at May 20, 2018 04:45 PM (UdKB7)

386 @381 Brennan's tweet in full:

"Senator McConnell & Speaker Ryan: If Mr. Trump continues along this disastrous path, you will bear major responsibility for the harm done to our democracy. You do a great disservice to our Nation & the Republican Party if you continue to enable Mr. Trump's self-serving actions."

Why is this addressed to McConnell and Ryan?

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 04:46 PM (pV/54)

387 Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 20, 2018 04:45 PM (+Dllb)
++++
that is why the VSG PDT has his own security detail

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 04:46 PM (y3aQB)

388
Why is this addressed to McConnell and Ryan?

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 04:46 PM (pV/54)

Partners in crime?

Posted by: muckrack at May 20, 2018 04:47 PM (RbR1e)

389 Why is this addressed to McConnell and Ryan?

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 04:46 PM (pV/54)

He has dirt on them.

Ryan is resigning. McConnell chi-com dirt is out. Is there more?

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 04:49 PM (Dp6qK)

390 "Senator McConnell & Speaker Ryan: If Mr. Trump continues along this disastrous path, you will bear major responsibility for the harm done to our democracy. You do a great disservice to our Nation & the Republican Party if you continue to enable Mr. Trump's self-serving actions."

wow, he needs a better lawyer. he should remain silent, as it is within his rights.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 04:50 PM (sB8d1)

391 yeah, can someone tweet that to him?

"you need a better lawyer. You should remain silent, as it is within your rights"

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 04:51 PM (sB8d1)

392 Why is this addressed to McConnell and Ryan?

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 04:46 PM (pV/54)

Yeah, what's with that?

The DOJ is not in Congress' bailiwick.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 20, 2018 04:52 PM (8iiMU)

393 "He also sent a veiled threat to Trump in a tweet where he referenced Cicero:"

The benefits of a classical education.

Posted by: Zombie Hans Gruber at May 20, 2018 04:53 PM (pV/54)

394 Brennan's afraid they'll reveal his plan to make Islam the official state religion.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 20, 2018 04:53 PM (gm9yG)

395 The DOJ is not in Congress' bailiwick.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 20, 2018 04:52 PM (8iiMU)

Oversight is, as is committee assignments, and impeachment proceedings.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 04:53 PM (Dp6qK)

396 Brennan is making a lot of public thinly-veiled threats of late.

Someone should tweet/ask him whether he will be taking the fall for Bronco.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 04:54 PM (Dp6qK)

397 *adds Brennan to list of people whose graves will be pissed on before I go*

Posted by: Sharkman at May 20, 2018 04:55 PM (+BKF+)

398 384
He also sent a veiled threat to Trump in a tweet where he referenced Cicero:
"Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error.

Marcus Tullius Cicero, (106-43 BC)"
Cicero was assassinated for speaking up about the corrupt Emperors of Rome and wanted a return to the Republican style of Government.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 20, 2018 04:45 PM (+Dllb)


Sure sounds like a threat to me. Is that actionable?

Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2018 04:55 PM (sdi6R)

399 rudy says comey should be prosecuted? sure, sure...get em all. Give them the Flynn treatment,.

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 04:55 PM (sB8d1)

400 392 The DOJ is not in Congress' bailiwick.

I thought brennan was suggesting impeachment/conviction. which is a scary thought to think former head of the spooks is directing Congress to impeach a President.

Posted by: Ever at May 20, 2018 04:59 PM (OLS0m)

401 I thought brennan was suggesting impeachment/conviction. which is a scary thought to think former head of the spooks is directing Congress to impeach a President.

Posted by: Ever at May 20, 2018 04:59 PM (OLS0m)

It is status quo for the IC, says Schumer.


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/ 312605-schumer-trump-being- really-dumb-by-going-after-intelligence-community

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 05:04 PM (Dp6qK)

402 >>He also sent a veiled threat to Trump in a tweet where he referenced Cicero:
"Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error.

Marcus Tullius Cicero, (106-43 BC)"
Cicero was assassinated for speaking up about the corrupt Emperors of Rome and wanted a return to the Republican style of Government.




Holy sh#t that is messed up.
I would think Brennan's call to Ryan and McConnell may be veiled so only they know what he really means (given spying on Trump, is it too much of a leap that he and Obama have the goods on them too? In hindsight, sure looks like Bob Menendez was burned for fighting the Iran deal).

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2018 05:04 PM (W+vEI)

403 Brennan is a useful idiot.

He is exactly the type to not know that he is nothing more tha a Tool and as such he is disposable / replaceable.

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2018 05:06 PM (ndLr/)

404 As expected, MSM spin is that Trump is improperly asking the DOJ to attack his political enemies. Avoid the merits.

NYT is already ballistic.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 05:07 PM (pV/54)

405 This is interesting to: Carter Page tweeted Halper and included screenshot of an email from him. Think he's telling him he has documented all of their contact?

https://twitter.com/carterwpage/status/
998131289063591936

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2018 05:09 PM (W+vEI)

406 If they were really worried about who ended up with Hillary's e-mails they would have arrested Hillary for letting so many people, down to the lowliest pervert in NYC, have access to them.

The only interest I think they really have in the e-mails is that there will likely be a lot of stuff that they allowed Hillary to scrub which would come to light if someone else had them. The Russians knowing all of that and using it against us is one thing. But Trump having it and exposing them is another. They would do anything to stop that from happening (especially during a campaign) since it would threaten their cozy, incestuous clique, and nothing is more important to them than their own comfort and power. It had to really shake them to have thousands of people chanting, "lock her up!" Everyone involved in the wrongdoing had a stake in those e-mails staying hidden, or getting out in front of the news if they were found and that can lead to desperate actions.

Once they started investigating a presidential campaign there was no going back and it snowballed after that point. So I guess maybe that is an additional theory of how this all happened to go with the idea that it was all just a pretext and set-up from the start. I am not sure which I believe. Maybe some of both depending on who the player is in the farce. But it seems like there could certainly be more than one motivation at work here. At the very least it helps explain why they chose such a flimsy and ridiculous pretext to justify spying.

They are telling us what they were afraid of, just lying about why. They feared Trump having that information more than they did Putin having it because if Trump had it we would have it, and that just wouldn't do at all.

Posted by: thatch at May 20, 2018 05:09 PM (DVIuX)

407 "404 As expected, MSM spin is that Trump is improperly asking the DOJ to attack his political enemies. Avoid the merits.

NYT is already ballistic."

well, duh, we're at war here. The left's usual insanity, projection, is at play as they're incensed at someone allegedly doing that which they know they've done.

step 1. deny you spied on trump
step 2. ok, fine, admit you spied on trump
step 3. whoa, you can't investigate your political opponents!

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 05:10 PM (sB8d1)

408 I have been calling for Trump to do this from the get go.

Once Sessions recused himself and Obama appointee Rosenstein assumes the role of AG, you knew these fucks would stonewall any attempts to properly investigate themselves.

What I see happening is Trump states issuing EOs, the FIB and DOJ tell him to go poundsand, Trump shit cans Sessions and Rosenstein, he names someone already confirmed as AG and away we go.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 20, 2018 05:12 PM (UfMVm)

409 >>NYT is already ballistic."


Have to assume this is exactly what Trump wants - he's been playing them via twitter for over a year now. LOL!

Recall how he first tweeted about the wiretapping a little before 4:00am on a Saturday morning. He's just now messed up the Sunday of the MSM who are no doubt scrambling to counter him.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2018 05:14 PM (W+vEI)

410 As expected, MSM spin is that Trump is improperly asking the DOJ to attack his political enemies.

The old 'I Know You Are, But What Am I' gambit: 'Trump was spied on. Wanting to know why is partisan and dishonest.'

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 20, 2018 05:14 PM (oVJmc)

411 "They feared Trump having that information more than they did Putin having it"

A lot of foreign money got laundered through the Chelsea Legacy Foundation. I haven't found a serious analysis of where that money went. There's evidence that it was used to pre-game Hillary's campaign (e.g. Sid Vicious was on payroll). I suspect bribes were made to D super-delegates who went for Hillary before the campaign started (this made it impossible for a regular candidate to get funding.) And the kids of MSM got cushy jobs.

There's a lot of exposure

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 05:14 PM (pV/54)

412 step 3. whoa, you can't investigate your political opponents!

Posted by: Krystal Slider Enthusiast at May 20, 2018 05:10 PM (sB8d1)

It's "just for their own safety"...

Posted by: muckrack at May 20, 2018 05:15 PM (RbR1e)

413 Trump already has proof in the OIG report and other sources. He doesn't need the DC DOJ.

The jokes on them.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 05:17 PM (pV/54)

414 413
Trump already has proof in the OIG report and other sources. He doesn't need the DC DOJ.



The jokes on them.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 05:17 PM (pV/54)

Probably , he works very systematic.

Posted by: muckrack at May 20, 2018 05:19 PM (RbR1e)

415 Have we started the fire?

Posted by: Monk at May 20, 2018 05:21 PM (Wd0WT)

416 As expected, MSM spin is that Trump is improperly asking the DOJ to attack his political enemies.

As I said the other night, the Left is now projecting projection.

Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2018 05:29 PM (sdi6R)

417 As expected, MSM spin is that Trump is improperly asking the DOJ to attack his political enemies. Avoid the merits.

NYT is already ballistic.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 05:07 PM (pV/54)
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Because the Slim Slimes & most of the Boston,NYC & D.C. media is in the deep state's back pocket

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 05:30 PM (y3aQB)

418 Trump shit cans Sessions and Rosenstein, he names someone already confirmed as AG and away we go.
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& this is why you don't have a fucking clue abourt what is happening ! any AG has to be confirmed by Senate

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 05:34 PM (y3aQB)

419 Popcorn futures soar as Big Week begins!

Bring on the Big Ugly!

Posted by: The Garbone at May 20, 2018 05:37 PM (9dH/8)

420 Rosenstein will investigate the investigation he was a part of?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 20, 2018 05:39 PM (oVJmc)

421 They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind.

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 05:39 PM (y3aQB)

422 Glenn Greenwald, ace? Yeah, sure, I get it. But c'm9n...

I believe the AoSHQ Stylebook lists Even as Glenn Greenwald's first name. As in 'Even Glenn Greenwald admits ...'.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 05:41 PM (yQpMk)

423 I have a vision of Trump sitting down with Mueller and turning tables to lay down a hand of Aces.

"I've known all the dirt on all you corrupt fucks for a year. Guess what, I fired your cocksucking pal Comey because he was the most corrupt fuck to hold major office ever, except for Brennan, and I've got all the dirt on him. And on you. You want me to keep talking under oath? I'll stop, but first ..."

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 05:43 PM (pV/54)

424 http://bit.ly/2LgCqfl
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Tracybeanz on Twitter: "1. I am about to blow your minds with this thread.

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 05:43 PM (y3aQB)

425 "Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error.

Marcus Tullius Cicero, (106-43 BC)"



I must admit that I look forward to the day that Chuck Schumer's severed hands are nailed to the doors of the Senate.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 05:45 PM (yQpMk)

426 https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/998242710824869888.html
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Threadreader version is much easier to read

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 05:49 PM (y3aQB)

427 418 & this is why you don't have a fucking clue abourt what is happening ! any AG has to be confirmed by Senate

No the Vacancies Act would permit PDT to place Scott Pruitt in that position (bc he has been Senate confirmed.) And, that's one of the reasons the left has accused Pruitt of malfeasance, his ability to take over the AG position.

Posted by: Ever at May 20, 2018 05:53 PM (OLS0m)

428 Posted by: Ever at May 20, 2018 05:53 PM (OLS0m)
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Not if the Head was fired

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 06:05 PM (y3aQB)

429 http://bit.ly/2IA8OaO
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Nunes: If Informant Reporting Is True, It Is a 'Absolute Red Line,' 'This Is Over' | Breitbart

Posted by: NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN at May 20, 2018 06:07 PM (y3aQB)

430 I wonder how close Hillary is to a full on psychotic break. She's not stopped campaigning in years. She's physically coming undone before our eyes. Whatever ailment she suffers from cannot continue to be concealed from the public. Her alcoholism. Her meds. It's all building to a soft sigh, a bottle of pills clattering on a tiled floor and a cold, limp hand dangling from a bed mattress.

And when she does finally faulter and fail? Her lackeys will slip away as the press devour her like a pack of wilding hyena.

And she knows it. All in stark relief.

I'm thirsty. Anyone want a ice cold Fresca?



Posted by: 13times at May 20, 2018 06:27 PM (K3B2k)

431 If I had writing chops I'd write a tale with a set of of the plotters hoist on their own petards. Hillary OD's. Huma runs to the ME and ends up married to a lout cuz no one else would have her. Barky flees to Indonesia and is again shunned by local muslims. Brennan and Clapper in Leavenworth. A bunch of high end journolists are not just fired but sued for slander and end up in places like Minneapolis writing the local fashion and culture columns with assignments like covering the state fair.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at May 20, 2018 06:35 PM (84F5k)

432 This is all so unexpected and shocking. I may need to lie down.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2018 06:42 PM (/tuJf)

433 432 This is all so unexpected and shocking. I may need to lie down.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2018 06:42 PM (/tuJf)

Wondering where you went. I figured you'd checked into the mental ward with cognitive dissonance overload.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 06:43 PM (Dp6qK)

434 Well that was fast....


Rod Rosenstein asks DOJ inspector general to review possible Trump campaign infiltration


http://tinyurl.com/ya4f74ha

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 06:46 PM (Enq6K)

435 Well that was fast....


Rod Rosenstein asks DOJ inspector general to review possible Trump campaign infiltration


http://tinyurl.com/ya4f74ha
Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 06:46 PM (Enq6K)


I wonder if Rosie had a "fuck THIS shit" moment this afternoon and is rolling over on The Dem-Media Complex Conspiracy.

Posted by: filbert at May 20, 2018 06:49 PM (953wK)

436 Wondering where you went. I figured you'd checked into the mental ward with cognitive dissonance overload.

Why would I do anything other than I did, have a great day on the ocean watching the Volvo boats head for Europe.

None of this is the least bit surprising. This is exactly what I thought would happen.

You want kabuki? I give you Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions pretending this entire thing isn't staged.

Hint, it is.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2018 06:50 PM (/tuJf)

437 I give you Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions pretending this entire thing isn't staged.

Hint, it is.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2018 06:50 PM (/tuJf)

I think that was my first post in this thread.

Posted by: flounderbot, rebel, vulgarian, deplorabot, winner at May 20, 2018 06:54 PM (Dp6qK)

438 I wonder how close Hillary is to a full on psychotic break. She's not stopped campaigning in years. She's physically coming undone before our eyes. Whatever ailment she suffers from cannot continue to be concealed from the public. Her alcoholism. Her meds. It's all building to a soft sigh, a bottle of pills clattering on a tiled floor and a cold, limp hand dangling from a bed mattress.

And when she does finally faulter and fail? Her lackeys will slip away as the press devour her like a pack of wilding hyena.

Posted by: 13times at May 20, 2018 06:27 PM (K3B2k)

God, what a wonderful scenario. I orgasmed at least twice. I'm going to smoke a cigarette in the after-glow of good sex.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 20, 2018 06:55 PM (9BLnV)

The Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect: A Wikipedia Corollary

When I was a wee lad, cutting my conservative teeth baiting hippies and fighting with communists on the streets of Berkeley, I lived in student cooperative housing. Since placement was based on seniority, I lived for the first two years in the least desirable and largest place, called Barrington Hall. It has been closed for years; a result off awful management on the part of the socialist organization that ran it, and dumb ass college students being allowed to do pretty much whatever they wanted.

In its defense, I met a lot of very interesting and intelligent people there, one of whom is a dear friend. And there was also a lot of free sex and nudity and punk rock and booze and all sorts of other stuff that appealed to the less high-minded part of my psyche. Anyway, I wanted to look up one of my acquaintances from Barrington, so I started poking around the internet, and discovered that there is a Wiki page devoted to it. As I read it I was immediately reminded of this:

“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.
In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”
-- Michael Crichton

I am as guilty as many of turning to the easy research of Wikipedia for many things. And while I am aware of its crowd-sourced nature, and its political bent, and most of all its famous inaccuracies, it is an effortless and lazy shortcut.

But the absolute drivel written about a place in which I lived for two years was astounding. Dates were wrong, events were reported badly, or ignored or made up from whole cloth. And this is not an overtly political topic, one that I assumed would have some passing familiarity with the truth! It was an amazing experience, having the world's portable encyclopedia revealed to be completely full of shit.

Posted by: CBD at 12:00 PM




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1 You mean to say that wet streets don't cause rain?

Posted by: Clueless Journalists at May 20, 2018 11:56 AM (WU8si)

2 The loss of Michael Crichton still saddens me. An extremely insightful and wise man.

Posted by: Ever at May 20, 2018 11:57 AM (OLS0m)

3 And also a topic for which mostly nobody cares. Which likely explains the lack of accuracy. To say that everything on Wikipedia is as filled with errors as a page inexplicably dedicated to "Barrington Hall" is quite a stretch.

I guess I'll have to look up the dorms at VA Tech to see how much of the super important history they've got wrong on that topic, too.

Or something.

Posted by: deadrody at May 20, 2018 11:58 AM (jsGbO)

4 The trees blowing back and forth? That's what causes the wind.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 20, 2018 11:58 AM (gC2IV)

5 Hordesource>Wiki

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 11:58 AM (UdKB7)

6 Wikipedia is almost always wrong, and impossible to correct

Posted by: Anderson's Pooper at May 20, 2018 11:59 AM (UkiAG)

7 Wiki, feh.

Posted by: Snopes at May 20, 2018 11:59 AM (r9UYA)

8 This is how I feel when I see shows about Home decor, shows like "Open House". Ugh!! So many people have taste from hunger. Having no taste is better than bad taste.

And shows on woodworking and restoration, usually good for a chuckle.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 12:01 PM (Ymy4N)

9 I once worked on a public service project (in this case, not court ordered) which was reported on by the Washington Post. The paper managed to get every possible fact wrong in the resulting article. Every. Single. Fact.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 12:02 PM (Uqz+J)

10 We're even more accurate than Wikipedia.

Posted by: CNN at May 20, 2018 12:02 PM (WU8si)

11 I have to wonder if Wikipedia doesn't amplify the Dunning-Kruger effect. Stupid people look shit up on wikipedia and think that they have a thorough understanding of the issue.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 20, 2018 12:03 PM (Tnhbr)

12 3 Someone pee in your cheerios? Lighten up Francis.

Posted by: rammajamma at May 20, 2018 12:03 PM (xceTB)

13 Interesting that Sharyl Atkission was telling ppl to beware the bias/falsity on Wikipedia today, too.

Posted by: Ever at May 20, 2018 12:03 PM (OLS0m)

14 Posted by: Ever at May 20, 2018 12:03 PM (OLS0m)

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Someone was saying the same thing on the internet? That never happens.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 20, 2018 12:05 PM (gC2IV)

15 The Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is quite prevalent *here* when some Horde-person goes off on a rant about something they read from a news source. Not always, but far too often to be comfortable, it gets revealed that the article or headline are completely wrong.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Purify Your Politics with Cleansing Fire! AtC Brand Flammenwerfers now at The Outrage Ou at May 20, 2018 12:07 PM (0QYMt)

16 I had this experience working at ATT/Bellsouth during and after the breakup of the parent company. Every single thing I read in the papers about the breakup and what was going on inside it was partially, mostly or completely wrong. I then noticed this was true about anything else I happened to know anything about. That's when I decided journalists are mostly lazy idiots that will twist a story or just make things up to match their preferred narrative.

Posted by: Ripley at May 20, 2018 12:07 PM (MxEKc)

17 I've solved the problem by not reading the newspaper ...

YMMV.

Posted by: Adriane the Literary Critic ... at May 20, 2018 12:07 PM (AoK0a)

18
Fook off, iPhone. All my brilliant snark lost, like tears in the rain ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 12:08 PM (pNxlR)

19 Wikipedia is extremley acucrate. You raycissts just can't handle the fackts, like that Obmama was the graetest Presidentt evur and the singal payer healthcare werks.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at May 20, 2018 12:09 PM (WU8si)

20
Snow jumping out of the way creates a vacuum which propels snowplows down the road.

True. Science. Fact.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 12:10 PM (pNxlR)

21 Wikipedia was never meant to be based in fact. It was meant to disseminate leftist propaganda and disinformation. It has turned out to be a very effective tool.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2018 12:11 PM (Fs5vw)

22 I need to invent Weaselpedia.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 12:12 PM (MVjcR)

23 I use Wikipedia primarily not so much for the truth of its content but rather to understand allusions. Thus if someone refers to Joe McCarthy's HUAC and I don't know what it is I loom it up and learn what people think they are talking about rather than the actual truth.

Incidentally, there have been a plethora of Audible audio books entitled [Whatever]: A History From Beginning To End that are quite short. For example, here is The Byzantine Empire: A History From Beginning To End. It one hour nine minutes long. I suspect they left some stuff out.

https://adbl.co/2rT5OPQ

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 12:12 PM (+y/Ru)

24 CBD - spot on. Digital revisionism feeds the faux superiority of the clinically insane. See Dunning-Krueger effect. And if you disagree with their utopian house of cards, you are a poopy head.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 20, 2018 12:12 PM (uB9t9)

25 I start reading USA Yesterday and by the 3rd or 5th paragraph the writing is dead wrong about some subject. I think this is also called the Fox Butterfield syndrome.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 12:12 PM (JFO2v)

26 "But the absolute drivel written about a place in which I lived for two years was astounding. Dates were wrong, events were reported badly, or ignored or made up from whole cloth."
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This has the ring of truth to me:

"Resident complains not fit for habitability. Live boa constrictor, fire, dried blood on her door, food and burning matches thrown at dinner, person wandering through halls brandishing a whip and striking the walls with it."

This is you, isn't it CBD? In bondage leathers with a boa coiled around you, cracking a cat-o-nine-tails at the Squares.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:13 PM (qJtVm)

27 22 I need to invent Weaselpedia.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 12:12 PM (MVjcR)

Ted Turner beat you to it

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 12:13 PM (JFO2v)

28 Why does my hash keep changing? Look at 9 and 22.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 12:13 PM (MVjcR)

29 I generally find Wikipedia to be accurate in the non-controversial subjects I know about, like chemistry and mathematics. When it comes to controversial subjects, it's about as trustworthy as Whoopi Goldberg.

Posted by: Michael the Texan at May 20, 2018 12:13 PM (nvMvs)

30 22 I need to invent Weaselpedia.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 12:12 PM (MVjcR)
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"If you enjoyed this WeaselPage on the history of WASP appropriation of the sombrero, won't you please consider donating?"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:14 PM (qJtVm)

31 28 Why does my hash keep changing? Look at 9 and 22.


Think you got some bad hash. Looks stepped on.

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 20, 2018 12:15 PM (uB9t9)

32 This wiki entry seems pretty solid:

"The book describes the actions and interactions of a group of highly mobile dogs, who operate cars and other conveyances in pursuit of work, play, and a final mysterious goal: a dog party."

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 12:15 PM (UdKB7)

33 When i was in college, distinctly remember a professor breathlessly regaling us with the 'fact' that the Boeing 747 was so big and complex that they truly didn't fully understand why it actually flew. Even though i was clueless and meek, i still didn't buy that argument.. which meant i started to wonder about my professor's 'expertise'....... and a conservative was born.


Posted by: goatexchange at May 20, 2018 12:16 PM (YFnq5)

34 All Hail Eris,

Two weeks ago I was in Pure (the Yooper part) Michigan. There was still a lot of ice on Lake Superior and in most of the harbors. The Keweenaw Peninsula also had a lot of snow in the woods. Fortunately the skeeters and black flies weren't out yet. The U.P. is one of the most beautiful parts of the country.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 12:16 PM (9UFns)

35 30 22 I need to invent Weaselpedia.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 12:12 PM (MVjcR)
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"If you enjoyed this WeaselPage on the history of WASP appropriation of the sombrero, won't you please consider donating?"
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:14 PM (qJtVm)
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Which reminds me, people,sti
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Yes! Do this! The tractor needs implements!

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 12:16 PM (MVjcR)

36 When i was in college, distinctly remember a professor breathlessly regaling us with the 'fact' that the Boeing 747 was so big and complex that they truly didn't fully understand why it actually flew.

=

physics professor ?

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 12:16 PM (/U6eQ)

37 Folks like to say that conservatives need their own Twitter, Facebook, etc. But when they do create them,those same people don't use them. Try Infogalactic, which can be corrected and mirrors Wikipedia with out the SJW slant.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 20, 2018 12:17 PM (Lqy/e)

38 Copy/paste fail at 35. Sorry.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 12:18 PM (MVjcR)

39 When i was in college, distinctly remember a professor breathlessly regaling us with the 'fact' that the Boeing 747 was so big and complex that they truly didn't fully understand why it actually flew.

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My mother used to say that believing in evolution was like believing a tornado hit a junk yard and a 747 popped out.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 12:18 PM (+y/Ru)

40 Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 12:16 PM (9UFns)
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I'm a troll, but I do want to take a tour of the wilder shaggier parts of the U.P., plus do some island hopping around the Great Lakes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:20 PM (qJtVm)

41 I have a daughter attending the local tech school (community college) Even they will not accept Wikipedia "articles".

Posted by: lurking grandma at May 20, 2018 12:20 PM (sujqA)

42 'physics professor'?

fortunately, no. the Hard Science profs were awesome. it was the social sciency-types who were expounding on topics about which they were clueless.....a trend i first noticed then, and it hasn't let up.

Posted by: goatexchange at May 20, 2018 12:20 PM (YFnq5)

43 The stuff the MSM makes up about is Hillary is fake but accurate, like her love and dedication to her husband. After all they danced romantically together on the beach and they have a video to prove it.

Posted by: Ripley at May 20, 2018 12:21 PM (MxEKc)

44 28 Why does my hash keep changing? Look at 9 and 22.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 12:13 PM (MVjcR)

It changes because there is really more than one Weasel (if that's even your real name) which are all part of a secret society known as the Weasellumanati whose goal is to crash websites which they don't like the color scheme of by overwhelming them with comments from users named "Weasel".

Or at least that's what Wikipedia said.

Posted by: Weaselspiracy Theorist at May 20, 2018 12:21 PM (WU8si)

45 .. i am SO STEALING that 'junk yard/747' analogy.....

Posted by: goatexchange at May 20, 2018 12:21 PM (YFnq5)

46 I once found myself on the Wikipedia page for Rudyard Kipling. There was a whole paragraph devoted to an essay on South Pacific candy that some contributor falsely attributed to Kipling. Seems they had misinterpreted the meaning of Wiki Tiki Taffy.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 12:22 PM (m45I2)

47 My mother used to say that believing in evolution was like believing a tornado hit a junk yard and a 747 popped out.

==

sigh

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 12:23 PM (/U6eQ)

48 I've been a spokesperson on and off for a while. For five years that was a core party of my job with some fairly technical subject matter.

I found the weeklies did the best job. Put in the most effort to get things right.

The dailies were hit or miss. I was happy if they got 2/3 right.

The absolute worst was Time magazine back when that was a thing. It was a hostile interview and I was just being called (by the reporter's assistant, no less) for the obligatory counterpoint in a hit piece that was already written.

The NYT and WaPo also gave me s a few hostile interviews but they were more professional and balanced in the 90s (and it wasn't political).

More recently I had a fine interview with an informed NYT writer on some downstream energy issues. At the same time and on the same topic, the WSJ was very disappointing going for the scary headline and take counter to the facts I laid out very clearly.

The funniest ting was about 10-15 years ago I was part of a refinery tour with the Tribunes harvard educated energy reporter. Downtown fashions and alligator boots and didn't understand ethanol and fuel and the RFS for a pub based in Illinois.

At the same tour a couple of guys from the big regional paper declined the $5 pens they were offered on ethical grounds. I took the pens. You want to influence my story a freaking pen isn't going to make that happen

Posted by: Keith at May 20, 2018 12:23 PM (USf3s)

49 Wiki Tiki Taffy > Stallone's Cobra.

Posted by: goatexchange at May 20, 2018 12:23 PM (YFnq5)

50 I have a daughter attending the local tech school (community college) Even they will not accept Wikipedia "articles".
Posted by: lurking grandma at May 20, 2018 12:20 PM (sujqA)


It's not a bad starting point; most of the articles list their citations. Citing the article itself, instead of using the bibliography as a jumping-off point for your own research is a mistake though, even if the school would accept the citation. And for whatever reason, any Wikipedia article on a technical subject is useless beyond the surface level. They're just terribly written.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 12:23 PM (y87Qq)

51 >>>>
The loss of Michael Crichton still saddens me. An extremely insightful and wise man.....And an excellent fiction writer too.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 20, 2018 12:23 PM (+Dllb)

52 fortunately, no. the Hard Science profs were awesome.

=

glad to hear. people take social sciences to breeze throught with "A"s, then end up with mush in their heads

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 12:25 PM (/U6eQ)

53 My mother used to say that believing in evolution was like believing a tornado hit a junk yard and a 747 popped out.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 12:18 PM (+y/Ru)


Interesting analogy

Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at May 20, 2018 12:25 PM (czkHE)

54 having the world's portable encyclopedia revealed to be completely full of shit.

But it will continue to show up as the first link for any search about pretty much anything, if not the first several links. There's no way to get away from it. It's friggin annoying.

That said, it is a good resource for lots of textbook-type material - hard science textbook material. But I always endeavor to go another link first - any other link.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2018 12:25 PM (uSurQ)

55 Probably most of my professors would be aghast that the library, where most original sources are found, are not really used anymore.

If you really want to know the facts, go to the library, not the internet.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2018 12:25 PM (Fs5vw)

56
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 12:16 PM (9UFns)


Yeah, keep that to yourself, eh? Whenever the locals crow about the U.P. scoring high in some destination survey or another I cringe. The same boosters then get their undies all wadded up when some Developer Warbucks out of Chicago declares for building high rise condos near the lakeshore because (s)he sees a huge opportunity to score big at the expense of the local rubes. Cause and effect is lost on Billy and Betty Booster ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 12:26 PM (pNxlR)

57 The Gell-Mann paradox doesn't apply to the wikipedia as a whole. Gell-Mann assumes that the entire publication is written by the same small group of people, all of whom are equally ignorant about, well, nearly everything. That doesn't apply to the wikipedia. There, different classes of articles are written by different groups of people, who, in many cases, know well the subjects about which they're writing. FWIW, in my area of computer programming, I've found the wikipedia to be an invaluable resource for technical information.

BTW, did you correct any of the mistakes in the article?

Posted by: Brown Line at May 20, 2018 12:26 PM (S6ArX)

58 Two weeks ago I was in Pure (the Yooper part)
Michigan. There was still a lot of ice on Lake Superior and in most of
the harbors. The Keweenaw Peninsula also had a lot of snow in the woods.
Fortunately the skeeters and black flies weren't out yet. The U.P. is
one of the most beautiful parts of the country.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 12:16 PM
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For about two weeks out of the year.

We almost bought property up there way back. 20 acres on the Yellow Dog River.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 20, 2018 12:27 PM (+Dllb)

59 I use Wikipedia primarily not so much for the truth of its content but rather to understand allusions. Thus if someone refers to Joe McCarthy's HUAC and I don't know what it is I loom it up and learn what people think they are talking about rather than the actual truth.


Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

HUAC was started in the late 1930's to investigate NAZI influence in America. All well and good then.

And then, after WWII, people on HUAC started to look into Soviet influence in America. BAD!!

And Joe McCarthy was a Senator, and never a part of HUAC: House committee on Un-American Activities.

It is, in the long run, a bad thing when the government starts to investigate Americans. It gets too easy in these days to find something that somebody did wrong, and for the full weight of the government to fall on you.

This is flat out tyranny.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at May 20, 2018 12:28 PM (S6Pax)

60 just looked up evolution on Inforgalactic

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 12:28 PM (/U6eQ)

61 a couple of guys from the big regional paper declined the $5 pens they were offered on ethical grounds

Ha! Prolly the first "ethical" thing they'd done in years. Apply that to your craft, you buffoons.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 20, 2018 12:28 PM (Tyii7)

62 This wiki entry seems pretty solid:

"The book describes the actions and interactions of a group of highly mobile dogs, who operate cars and other conveyances in pursuit of work, play, and a final mysterious goal: a dog party."
Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 12:15 PM (UdKB7)


It also says the last hat was the best hat of all, and I don't agree with that.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 12:29 PM (cY3LT)

63 Damn.....you lived in Berkeley and went to (shudders) school there and were and still are a sane and productive person.

You Sir are a man among men.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 12:29 PM (EoRCO)

64 And shows on woodworking and restoration, usually good for a chuckle.
Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 12:01 PM
~~~
Reminds me of the scene in 'For the love of the game', where Costner, using a band saw, slices into his hand. Getting blood all over the fluffy white snow.
Pitching hand- subplot: no self-gratification.

Posted by: socalcon at May 20, 2018 12:30 PM (Roy2Z)

65 On non political topics a lot of the lack of quality in the media comes from the shrinking newsrooms and likely sub standard J schools where basic journalism is under taught.

I busted a bit above on a Tribune energy reporter not knowing some basic stuff, but in reality she was probably covering everything from electrical utilities to retail gasoline. It's hard to have depth with a beat like that.

Posted by: Keith at May 20, 2018 12:30 PM (USf3s)

66 *Infogalactic*

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 12:30 PM (/U6eQ)

67 I found Wiki's lack of commentary on the arboreal nature of the canine soiree to be disturbingly incomplete.

Posted by: goatexchange at May 20, 2018 12:31 PM (YFnq5)

68 It was an amazing experience, having the world's portable encyclopedia revealed to be completely full of shit.

Why it's almost like a three ring circus without a ringmaster that understand's the need for coherence and organization.

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 12:31 PM (n9EOP)

69 understands

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 12:31 PM (n9EOP)

70 The collision between "Abrupt Manmade Global Climate Change" and "Big Evolution™" could be epic!

Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 12:33 PM (m45I2)

71 Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:20 PM

The first time I had heard the Troll comment I was at breakfast in St. Ignace years ago. The waitress told me to watch out for trolls after I crossed the Mackinaw Bridge. She called it 'the troll bridge.' I laughed so hard my breakfast almost came out my nose.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 12:33 PM (9UFns)

72 47 My mother used to say that believing in evolution was like believing a tornado hit a junk yard and a 747 popped out.
==
sigh"

There's a "yo mama" joke hiding in plain sight there, but I ain't gonna be the one.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 12:33 PM (V2Yro)

73
63 Damn.....you lived in Berkeley and went to (shudders) school there and were and still are a sane and productive person.


There are at least three of us here with that shameful (not really) blight on our otherwise spotless strings of service to humanity. Che Guevera and I are the other two.

Kind of unexpected to have that exfent of connection to Berkeley within this august assembly of morons, but there it is.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 12:34 PM (pNxlR)

74 Nunes
If they ran a spy ring or an informant ring and they were paying people within the Trump campaign if any of that is true, that is an absolute red line.

IF???

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 12:34 PM (JFO2v)

75 Wiki is pretty good for what I use it for - airplane references & info on obscure wars & the like.

Posted by: josephistan at May 20, 2018 12:36 PM (ANIFC)

76 Just started Canton on TCM on demand, the precursor to Leftism

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 12:37 PM (aC6Sd)

77 it all depends on the topic, I agree

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 12:37 PM (/U6eQ)

78 There's a "yo mama" joke hiding in plain sight there, but I ain't gonna be the one.

=

something , something parachute..there I said it

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 12:38 PM (/U6eQ)

79 And let allown the will repeat it all

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 12:38 PM (aC6Sd)

80 Damn! I just spent fourteen generations growing thicker ody hair and now they tell me the globe is getting warmer!

Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 12:38 PM (m45I2)

81 My mother used to say that believing in evolution was like believing a tornado hit a junk yard and a 747 popped out.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 12:18 PM (+y/Ru)


Interesting analogy
Posted by: MAC SOG and nothing will happen at May 20, 2018 12:25 PM (czkHE)


Yep. And in actuality, a pretty good one for how/why evolution exists.

The junk yard being planet Earth, and the 747 being virtually anything/everything that has a utilitarian purpose, and therefore, exists.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 12:38 PM (cY3LT)

82 My BIL likens Wikipedia to the 'idiot lights' on an automobile's dashboard. Not as useful a gauges.

Posted by: socalcon at May 20, 2018 12:39 PM (Roy2Z)

83
I am positive that there is not a single smidgeon of untruth or error in the Wikipedia entries for Barky, Mooch, Shrillary, Slick Willie, Nanzi or John Effing Kerry. They are shining examples of honesty and selflessness to us all.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 12:39 PM (pNxlR)

84 I guess the Muldoon line winds up on an evolutionary dead end.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 12:40 PM (m45I2)

85 My mother used to say that believing in evolution was like believing a tornado hit a junk yard and a 747 popped out.

Not really.
\
The general theory of evolution describes a well-established mechanism that is among the most powerful ever known to Man. There is no question about this. Now, the theory of evolution as applied to biology is a separate question, but the evidence for it on the local level (intraspecies) is quite impressive and there is no other, even half-reasonable, explanation offered for the development of species.

You might not like the biological theory of evolution, but don't make the mistake of trying to argue against the general theory of evolution, which is one of the most important intellectual developments of Man, right up there with the wheel, writing, mathematics, and the concept of the chain reaction.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2018 12:40 PM (uSurQ)

86 76 Danton, you stupid autocucumber , got to watch this thing like a hawk

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 12:41 PM (aC6Sd)

87 Why does my hash keep changing? Look at 9 and 22.

It's your future self returning in time to kill you to see if "he" will disappear after he pulls the trigger.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 12:42 PM (Evws/)

88
84 I guess the Muldoon line winds up on an evolutionary dead end.
Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 12:40 PM (m45I2)


HBOUS - Hair Balls of Unusual Size. Scientists generations from now will search in vain for the felines capable of creating such prodigeous spheres.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 12:42 PM (pNxlR)

89 lived in Berkeley and went to (shudders) school there and were and still are a sane and productive person.

You Sir are a man among men.


*******


Ever read Poe's A Descent into the Maelstrom?

CBD at Berkeley is like that one turd in the bowl that refused to go down in the swirl of the flush.

And I mean that in the best possible way.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 12:43 PM (m45I2)

90 *dusts off suit of armor*

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 12:43 PM (/U6eQ)

91 There are at least three of us here with that shameful (not really) blight on our otherwise spotless strings of service to humanity. Che Guevera and I are the other two.

Kind of unexpected to have that exfent of connection to Berkeley within this august assembly of morons, but there it is.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 12:34 PM (pNxlR)


I was at Cal briefly ... but left to come back to the East Coast (NYU). I couldn't get an apartment when I went there (rent control and 50 people interviewing for every open apartment really bugged me) and lived in the hotel above Blondie's Pizza for a while and then in the hotel down Telegraph (that I think burned down some years later).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2018 12:44 PM (uSurQ)

92 Gell-Mann amnesia? I created the internet for just such a reason.
Where's my Nobel Prize?

Posted by: Al Gore-icle at May 20, 2018 12:44 PM (Fb9aZ)

93 I generally find Wikipedia to be accurate in the non-controversial subjects I know about, like chemistry and mathematics. When it comes to controversial subjects, it's about as trustworthy as Whoopi Goldberg.
Posted by: Michael the Texan at May 20, 2018 12:13 PM (nvMvs)


Same here, and the good Wiki entries will point you towards sources, too. However, whatever the outrage d' jour is for the SJWs, Wiki is not to be trusted. The intertubes is both a wonderful and dangerous thing.

A nice thing about Wikipedia is that you can update an entry if you happen to have additional information. I did that once for a "golden age" Sci-Fi author. Perhaps CBD could do the same for the Barrington Hall entry (unless the entry is obviously biased towards "Lefties are wonderful!")

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 20, 2018 12:44 PM (5Yee7)

94 in seriousness, the problem with Wikipedia is that we've all swallowed the trendy theory of "crowdsourcing", because it both embodies our distrust of experts, and makes us feel good about ourselves.

"Crowdsourcing" information is Bullshit. Outrageous bullshit, it's like asking bushmen in the kalihari for instructions on how to build that 747 mentioned previously, and figuring that if we just talk to enough of them the answer will turn up.

An "answer" will turn up alright, it always does. But it'll probably involve gourds and hyena scat, which is probably a good approximation of most of Wikipedia.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 12:44 PM (V2Yro)

95 There is a new Prager video on the belief of God and atheist believing in nothing. Be back with link.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 12:44 PM (aC6Sd)

96
I was quoted only one time after a phone call from a business newspaper. One line. Dude totally got it wrong.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 20, 2018 12:45 PM (r+sAi)

97 CBD at Berkeley is like that one turd in the bowl that refused to go down in the swirl of the flush.

And I mean that in the best possible way.

-
You should manufacture your own line of boutique Valentine's Day cards.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 12:45 PM (+y/Ru)

98 We all know that we were brought here by interplanetary aliens, who landed on Machu Picchu, geez, people...

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 12:45 PM (/U6eQ)

99 I was misquoted. I meant "Waikiki Pussy".

Posted by: zombie rudyard kipling at May 20, 2018 12:46 PM (Evws/)

100
I've noticed the deep state narrative is now that spying on a presidential campaign is no diffierent than spying on Guido who is running a bookmaking operation in the Bronx.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at May 20, 2018 12:46 PM (PtOP4)

101 Fortunately the skeeters ... weren't out yet. The U.P. is one of the most beautiful parts of the country.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 12:16 PM (9UFns)


Ah yes, the State Bird of Michigan!

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 20, 2018 12:46 PM (5Yee7)

102 I actually contributed 3 bucks to wiki when they had their fund drive. It was a weak moment.

Posted by: Kallisto at May 20, 2018 12:47 PM (iF4iV)

103 99 I was misquoted. I meant "Waikiki Pussy"."

Oh, leave that judge out of this.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 12:48 PM (V2Yro)

104 Muldoon
Wicki Tiki Taffy, you made me laugh, not the first time either

Posted by: LMD Outer Banker at May 20, 2018 12:48 PM (Vuaet)

105 Mammoth Muldoon?

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 12:49 PM (Evws/)

106 And shows on woodworking and restoration, usually good for a chuckle.
Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 12:01 PM
=====

Woodwright's Shop is the only one worth watching. The laboratory cleanliness and impossibly expensive tools of most of them is just sales/marketing. Serious tool envy with Roy Underhill.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 12:49 PM (MIKMs)

107 If you really want to know the facts, go to the library, not the internet.

Posted by: Soona at May 20, 2018 12:25 PM (Fs5vw)


You can steal my book on Kindle!

Posted by: Zombie Abbie Hoffman at May 20, 2018 12:49 PM (sXefu)

108 what is it with NY and apartments? I worked with someone once who was bending over backwards to live with 5 other people, in Manhattan I think. We are talking references and school connections, as if trying to get into a fancy "invitation only" club.

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 12:49 PM (/U6eQ)

109 Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 20, 2018 12:17 PM (Lqy/e)

Just bookmarked Infogalactic. Hadn't known it existed.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 20, 2018 12:49 PM (phT8I)

110 https://www.prageru.com/videos/whats-greater-leap-faith-god-or-multiverse

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 12:49 PM (aC6Sd)

111 HBOUS - Hair Balls of Unusual Size.
Are they asymmetrical like bears' ball?

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 12:50 PM (Evws/)

112 I generally find Wikipedia to be accurate in the non-controversial subjects I know about, like chemistry and mathematics. When it comes to controversial subjects, it's about as trustworthy as Whoopi Goldberg.
Posted by: Michael the Texan at May 20, 2018 12:13 PM (nvMvs)

Same here, and the good Wiki entries will point you towards sources, too. However, whatever the outrage d' jour is for the SJWs, Wiki is not to be trusted. The intertubes is both a wonderful and dangerous thing.

A nice thing about Wikipedia is that you can update an entry if you happen to have additional information. I did that once for a "golden age" Sci-Fi author. Perhaps CBD could do the same for the Barrington Hall entry (unless the entry is obviously biased towards "Lefties are wonderful!")
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 20, 2018 12:44 PM (5Yee7)


Yeah, I think that's kinda the point regarding the usefulness of Wikipedia. I don't go there to find out if Obama was wonderful or not.

I will go there to find out (for example) who won the 1968 Rose Bowl, however, or to touch up on a particular subject about which I know a little, and need a bit of reminding.

Then I expect the information I seek to be tested, either by reference links, or some other form of confirmation elsewhere. If it's important enough.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 12:50 PM (cY3LT)

113 that we've all swallowed the trendy theory of "crowdsourcing"

Who's "we", kimosabe?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 12:51 PM (BH7Yv)

114 I actually contributed 3 bucks to wiki when they had their fund drive. It was a weak moment.
Posted by: Kallisto at May 20, 2018 12:47 PM (iF4iV)


I did too. Sent them a $3 bill. They had no idea, it was close to being real money, but not quite.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 12:53 PM (cY3LT)

115 Back in my undegrad days at Washington State, I wanted to be a newspaper man. Damn I liked that...the guy who dug for answers and really knew what was going on. My first journalism class on reporting was taught by the classic old time editor. The final was to write an obituary.

The prof's philosophy was, obits are things that ALWAYS get read, and if you couldn't get that right, how the hell could you expect the readers to believe anything else???

Posted by: Diogenes at May 20, 2018 12:53 PM (0tfLf)

116 Roofies give you Jello Man amnesia.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2018 12:53 PM (IqV8l)

117 Then I expect the information I seek to be tested, either by reference links, or some other form of confirmation elsewhere. If it's important enough.

Posted by: BurtTC


*******

I think you hit the nail on the head here. All incoming information, regardless of the source needs to be tested and weighted accordingly. A sound approach.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 12:54 PM (m45I2)

118
"one of the most important intellectual developments of Man, right up there with the wheel, writing, mathematics, pizza and the concept of the chain reaction."

Fixed

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 12:54 PM (h3c1J)

119 I and friends of mine have noticed more and more, and not just in political writings, so many errors in magazines that are devoted to some certain interest. Errors that we as hobbyist laymen see instantly but pass through to make it into print.

Perhaps the ease of writing using word processing software as compared to typewriters has something to do with it. They lack of rigor in the educational establishment too would be a major contributor.

And then there is this,
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/998198385180983298
which just adds to all else.

Posted by: geoffb at May 20, 2018 12:54 PM (zOpu5)

120 lived in Berkeley and went to (shudders) school there and were and still are a sane and productive person.

You Sir are a man among men.



Little known factoid...Berkeley has a very good Army ROTC department. Their grads typically do very well in their military careers.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 20, 2018 12:55 PM (0tfLf)

121 You should manufacture your own line of boutique Valentine's Day cards.
=====

My kids and relatives roll their eyes every year at their annual Evil Mad Scientist valentines from me.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 12:55 PM (MIKMs)

122 go to the library,"

Can't. There's a free speech corner nearby, and one can't be expected to handle that...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 12:55 PM (BH7Yv)

123 that we've all swallowed the trendy theory of "crowdsourcing"


******


But, but, but...consensus is important!

Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 12:56 PM (m45I2)

124
OK, let's see if my new Gab account info shows up in my nic.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 12:56 PM (GdWl+)

125 Errors that we as hobbyist laymen see instantly but pass through to make it into print"

Editors are mean people.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 12:57 PM (BH7Yv)

126

Good, that works.

I'm back on Gab and I joined the AoS group. Now I know how to mute accounts, which is a good thing.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 12:58 PM (GdWl+)

127 Ah yes, the State Bird of Michigan!
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 20, 2018 12:46 PM

I'm somewhat used to skeeters, they just drill holes in you. It was the black flies that near drove me insane. They take chunks of flesh.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 12:58 PM (9UFns)

128 Wikipedia is good for dates and names and places. You want to know who won Super Bowl VI and what was the score? The announcers? The half-time entertainment? You don't remember how many games the 1977 World Series went and who Reggie Jackson hit his 3 home runs off of? You want to know who played bass on the first Neil Young album, and who produced it? When Julius Caesar lived? And when Issac Newton died?
Wikipedia is the place.

But on anything that touches on any of the hot button issues of today or anything to do with any SJW shit?
Proceed with caution.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 20, 2018 12:58 PM (7uYFy)

129
But, but, but...consensus is important!
=====

Isn't there some new show about crowdsourcing investigations, CBS maybe.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 12:58 PM (MIKMs)

130 44 28 Why does my hash keep changing? Look at 9 and 22.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 12:13 PM (MVjcR)

It changes because there is really more than one Weasel (if that's even your real name) which are all part of a secret society known as the Weasellumanati whose goal is to crash websites which they don't like the color scheme of by overwhelming them with comments from users named "Weasel".

Or at least that's what Wikipedia said.
Posted by: Weaselspiracy Theorist at May 20, 2018 12:21 PM (WU8si)
-----
How can you not trust a guy on the internet calling himself Weasel?

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 12:58 PM (MVjcR)

131 1 You mean to say that wet streets don't cause rain?
Posted by: Clueless Journalists at May 20, 2018 11:56 AM (WU8si)


No. It's the barometer needle falling that causes rain.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2018 12:58 PM (jScj0)

132 I've worked off and on at a database used to offer search engine results. For stress relief we have forums where you learn about these "across the globe" individuals that you are working with solely virtually. Some of it is interesting and some horrific. I found by and large the true lefties know when they are lieing and choose to do so. They know their take on an issue is wrong but will honestly tell you that it doesn't matter. I lost a lot of trust with people during this time frame where I expect everyone to act in good faith. I know first hand out of their own mouths their agenda comes before anything. While this "job" has become scarccer and scarcer many of the editors moved on to Wikipedia. This people are not to be believed. Again, they take something so worth wild and trash it. Take everything with a grain of salt.

Posted by: sally at May 20, 2018 12:59 PM (sBDDH)

133 When your groin smells like hay, it's time to bathe.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 20, 2018 12:59 PM (/qEW2)

134 But, but, but...consensus is important"

And truth is always between the extreme statements...

*sigh*

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 12:59 PM (BH7Yv)

135 Berkeley has a very good Army ROTC department

Now there's an oil and water mixture, if ever there was one.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 20, 2018 12:59 PM (Tyii7)

136 go to the library,"
Can't. There's a free speech corner nearby, and one can't be expected to handle that...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 12:55 PM (BH7Yv)

I can't either....too many urban outdoorsmen using it for the can and a/c.

But mostly for the can.

Who knew the houseless were such scholars.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 01:00 PM (EoRCO)

137 Essentially, you should never trust Wiki for anything that is even remotely political and also do not trust it for info on any fact, person, theory or event that took place after 1950, when the communist-leftist f*cktards began to take over academia and turn it all into revisionist, baseless, not-empirically-sound, sh*t.

"Scientific method? What's that?"**
**Your basic "Climate Scientist"

Posted by: Publius Redux at May 20, 2018 01:00 PM (Fb9aZ)

138 Then I expect the information I seek to be tested, either by reference links, or some other form of confirmation elsewhere. If it's important enough.

Posted by: BurtTC


*******

I think you hit the nail on the head here. All incoming information, regardless of the source needs to be tested and weighted accordingly. A sound approach.
Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 12:54 PM (m45I2)


Within limits though. I mean this seriously. There are some "facts" about which I do not need to know if they are accurate or not. If it's not that important to me, I am perfectly fine with being misled. But I get to decide what's important to me, and when it is, I'm damn sure going to try to get it right.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 01:00 PM (cY3LT)

139 "Crowdsourcing" information is Bullshit. Outrageous bullshit,

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 12:44 PM (V2Yro)


For some things crowdsourcing is very powerful and good. How many of us are running Linux and parts of the GNU project? Crowdsourcing served to build a multi-billion dollar entity that serves some very important functions and does keep certain things free for people to use and manipulate themselves outside of ridiculous copyright restrictions. And, yes, we have a bunch of erstwhile commies to thank for that, in good part.

But crowdsourcing is not a universal tool that works with anything and that's where the problem lies. People often don't understand the limitations of specific tools. Yes, a hammer is great when you have nails but it's not so great with screws. But seeing a guy hammering in a screw is not evidence against the effectiveness and usefulness of hammers.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2018 01:01 PM (uSurQ)

140 OT, door gasket for an old Kenmore dishwasher, $45? Sheesh.

Posted by: Infidel at May 20, 2018 01:02 PM (a3OL0)

141 where I expect everyone to act in good faith"

I, too, was that naive once. The realization otherwise was pretty jarring.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 01:02 PM (BH7Yv)

142 Yes, Backwards Boy, it does show up, and is accessible.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 01:02 PM (Evws/)

143 go to the library,"
=====

No card catalogues. All research is through the computer -- as fungible as money.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 01:02 PM (MIKMs)

144 What's GNU?

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 01:04 PM (Evws/)

145 The prof's philosophy was, obits are things that ALWAYS get read, and if you couldn't get that right, how the hell could you expect the readers to believe anything else???
Posted by: Diogenes at May 20, 2018 12:53 PM (0tfLf)


Perhaps. If we're talking about things like, was he married or not. Did they have children, and did their children have children (his grandchildren).

However, most obits are filled with flowery language, like "he is mourned by his loving wife, his dutiful children, and his doting grandchildren."

The truth might be however, his wife was a hateful shrew, his children are mental defects and/or heroin addicts, and his grandchildren stole everything from his dentures to his bank account information.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 01:04 PM (cY3LT)

146
Encyclopedia Shittanica.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 20, 2018 01:04 PM (VM6ev)

147
Wiki is okay for some STEM stuff. You have to ask yourself though, 'Could this be politicized?'

If the answer is maybe or above, then it is.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 20, 2018 01:05 PM (LOgQ4)

148 For some things crowdsourcing"

A dedicated user base isn't crowdsourcing as I understand it...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 01:05 PM (BH7Yv)

149 No card catalogues. All research is through the computer -- as fungible as money.

Berkeley has its own free online library.

Posted by: Cosmo Cramer at May 20, 2018 01:05 PM (rdl6o)

150

Hot dawg, andycanuk. What's funny is that I got a follower about three minutes after I signed up for the AoS group.

I remember someone, perhaps a cob-logger, who posted a short "how-to" guide for Gab recently. Does anybody know where I can find it?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 01:05 PM (GdWl+)

151 Crowdsourcing also showed the TANG Memos were fraudulent; and combed through the Wikileaks (irony alert!) discovering Clinton/Dem illegalities etc.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 01:06 PM (Evws/)

152 gab ai - when I started to spend most of my time muting assorted whack jobs in my feed ( i am talking abut seriously disturbed people), I knew I've had enough

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 01:06 PM (/U6eQ)

153 So it depends on the definition of "crowdsourcing"?

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 01:07 PM (Evws/)

154 go to the library,"
=====

No card catalogues. All research is through the computer -- as fungible as money.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 01:02 PM (MIKMs)


Physical libraries with hard copy books are nothing but huge wastes of space. Unless someone needs to sniff the pages of a book there's nothing in a hard copy that cannot be more cheaply and efficiently digitized and rendered accessible from your living room.

It is truly amazing that the average 12 year old has a greater library in his pocket, now, than ever existed on Earth before. This is one of the reasons why college textbooks costing hundreds of dollars is such an intellectual offense. The same for K-12 texts that the schools pay for. Only government funding could pull off such a feat. The cost of information has been reduced to near zero and its availability has been extended to every nook and crannie.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2018 01:07 PM (uSurQ)

155 If you really want to know the facts, go to the library, not the internet.


*******


Either way, you need virus protection.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 01:07 PM (m45I2)

156 BurtTC needs a hug!

Everybody pile on!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 01:08 PM (qJtVm)

157

gab ai - when I started to spend most of my time muting assorted whack jobs in my feed ( i am talking abut seriously disturbed people), I knew I've had enough

I signed up last year and closed it for the same reasons. I guess that's not much different from the bowels of Twatter. We'll see what happens...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 01:08 PM (GdWl+)

158 conspiracy theorists, neo's, you name it

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 01:08 PM (/U6eQ)

159 'What's GNU?'

Nothing under the Sun.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 01:08 PM (UdKB7)

160 Crowdsourcing also showed the TANG Memos were fraudulent; "

Really? I was under the impression that the first questions were raised by a retired IBM'r...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 01:08 PM (BH7Yv)

161 Most of Michael Crichton's fiction has been made into movies or TV stories. Sometimes more than once, like Westworld.

A notable exception is State of Fear, about eco-terrorist believers in AGW, which Crichton refutes and abuses throughout, with a appendix.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 01:08 PM (pV/54)

162 I signed up last year and closed it for the same reasons. I guess that's not much different from the bowels of Twatter. We'll see what happens...
=

I think I saw you there, Vm had a list for a while...let us know what you think after you re-visit

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 01:09 PM (/U6eQ)

163 What's GNU?
Posted by: andycanuck


******


Not much. What's gnu with you?

Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 01:09 PM (m45I2)

164 how do I add my gab info to my nic?

Posted by: LMD Outer Banker at May 20, 2018 01:09 PM (Vuaet)

165

Everybody pile on!

"Dogpile on the wabbit! Dogpile on the wabbit!'

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 01:10 PM (GdWl+)

166 In Deadpool 2, anybody else catch the blatant, lingering shot of Karl Marx's portrait on the wall of the X-Man School?

Posted by: Citizen Cake at May 20, 2018 01:10 PM (ppaKI)

167 I think the reason for the effect is that we think it is trivial to just report/regurgitate a fact. But they can't even do that.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 01:10 PM (/qEW2)

168 Listening the Dems debate for the Georgia governor primary. Must be nice to live in a world where everything can be be free. But also sad where everybody is a victim and suffering oppression but has hopes and dreams that can only be fulfilled by all the free stuff.

Posted by: Ripley at May 20, 2018 01:10 PM (MxEKc)

169 >>>My mother used to say that believing in evolution was like believing a tornado hit a junk yard and a 747 popped out.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 12:18 PM (+y/Ru)

Go, Mom!

Posted by: m at May 20, 2018 01:10 PM (0bRDi)

170 When i was in college, distinctly remember a professor breathlessly regaling us with the 'fact' that the Boeing 747 was so big and complex that they truly didn't fully understand why it actually flew.

This sounds like a mis-restatement of Friedman's "I, Pencil" thesis but scaled up because I guess pencils just weren't impressive enough for the prof. If by "they," you mean "any one single person," then it might be true.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 20, 2018 01:10 PM (7oUUT)

171 i am talking abut seriously disturbed people

They are legion.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 20, 2018 01:11 PM (Tyii7)

172 What's GNU?

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 01:04 PM (Evws/)


Basically the start of the free software project that Linux lives other. Not exactly, but basically. The point was that some computer scietists didn't like the fact that operating systems and other system software was all going to copyrighted proprietary material and it was going to be the case that people wouldn't be able to work with their own computers and programming without having to go through commercial software, along with being heavily restricted on the use of that software and the ability to develop it and change it. So they started GNU, the free software project. I believe it originally came from a bunch of Libertarian/Commie types at MIT ... though I might be mistaken in that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2018 01:11 PM (uSurQ)

173 BurtTC needs a hug!

Everybody pile on!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 01:08 PM (qJtVm)


I do?

Mind if I spray some Binaca first?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 01:11 PM (cY3LT)

174 "It is truly amazing that the average 12 year old has a greater library in his pocket, now, than ever existed on Earth before. "

If my long-dead parents were to return I'd have to explain how we can now send instant mail to anyone in the world, or talk to them at reasonable cost, and have the hugest library ever at their fingertips, all in a pocket device.

But how most people use it to take dick pics, and share cute cat videos

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 01:12 PM (pV/54)

175

how do I add my gab info to my nic?


I went to my Gab account without logging in and CampersandP'd the address into the URL: field in the comments then hit the "Post" button.

And viola!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 01:12 PM (GdWl+)

176 Was once interviewed for our local newspaper many, many years ago for an adventure I went on (Mt Everest), by a young woman. When I read the article, the embarrassment was great. The reporter made me sound like and idiot. She misunderstood absolutely everything said, then wrote the article based on her ignorance. Still embarrassed over knowing that people I knew read this hogwash.

A friend who appears in the newspaper with some regularity told me the same thing happened to him in his first article. Now he requires, in writing, that he gets final editor rights over all articles about him.

Also, after coming back from the Woodstock music festival, reading the crap concerning the festival was astounding. People who did not attend wrote as if they knew everything that happened. The festival was nothing like what was reported.

Posted by: French Jeton at May 20, 2018 01:13 PM (Fjvqd)

177 The problem with Wiki is that that things that are political are politicized, and things that are obscure are often wrong because there may be a single author interested enough to update the wiki.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:13 PM (yQpMk)

178 Little known factoid...Berkeley has a very good Army ROTC department. Their grads typically do very well in their military careers.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 20, 2018 12:55 PM (0tfLf)

Perhaps because they have met the enemy while they were young?

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 01:13 PM (n9EOP)

179 Physical libraries with hard copy books are nothing but huge wastes of
space. Unless someone needs to sniff the pages of a book there's
nothing in a hard copy that cannot be more cheaply and efficiently
digitized and rendered accessible from your living room.

=====

Cheaply and efficiently 'disappeared'. As I said, fungible. I recall an old, old interview with Eleanor Roosevelt where she was explaining coupons during wartime and how to encourage your servants to happily comply. FDR had a fit about saving money for millionaires. Can't be found any more. Have to go to a real book.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 01:14 PM (MIKMs)

180 Physical libraries with hard copy books are nothing but huge wastes of space. Unless someone needs to sniff the pages of a book there's nothing in a hard copy that cannot be more cheaply and efficiently digitized and rendered accessible from your living room.



If everything is already digitized and perfectly tagged. It isn't and it won't be.

Do away with paper libraries and you miss the chance of stumbling upon "Price Functioning in Monopsonies" in the stacks in the middle of the night.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 01:14 PM (fuK7c)

181 What's GNU?

GNU is not Unix.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:15 PM (yQpMk)

182 Really? I was under the impression that the first questions were raised by a retired IBM'r...
Many people pointed out errors in the documents and in the arguments made by anti-Bush types but, yes, there was someone who noted it first. Chuckles helped too, as he used to crow, before he went nuts.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 01:15 PM (Evws/)

183 Literally.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:15 PM (yQpMk)

184 Re Jake Holenhead:

Yes, the U.P. is a great place. My favorite go-to spot. Visit a few times during the year -- work, vacation, fishing, and deer hunting. Have friends up there, so it is an especially enjoyable time.

Posted by: French Jeton at May 20, 2018 01:15 PM (Fjvqd)

185


If you want a chuckle, look up Trump on Wiki. Article reads like Wapo wrote it.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 20, 2018 01:15 PM (S/hVx)

186 Is it permissible to have a contact before you give an interview ? You only agree if get to review final, and if final published copy is in any way different you get reimbursed for all sorts of things, and bodily harm ?

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 01:16 PM (/U6eQ)

187

In Deadpool 2, anybody else catch the blatant, lingering shot of Karl Marx's portrait on the wall of the X-Man School?

There was a guy dressed up in a Deadpool costume walking around the complex (it has movie theaters) and letting people take pics with him at last night's gig. He gave the one-fingered salute in a lot of them. Real intellectual stuff, right there...

He was carrying a pink backpack. Not sure if that was an official part of his costume or not, but it looked funny.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 01:17 PM (GdWl+)

188 "Not much. What's gnu with you?"

What has been will be again
What has been done will be done again

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 01:17 PM (UdKB7)

189 Literally.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:15 PM (yQpMk)


Yep. Unix was proprietary AT+T software, I believe.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2018 01:17 PM (uSurQ)

190 #172 Thanks, POP, for the explanation that I didn't know before. See? Crowdsourcing!

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 01:17 PM (Evws/)

191 172 What's GNU?

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 01:04 PM (Evws/)

Nothing really! whats gnu with you?

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 01:17 PM (JFO2v)

192 If you want a chuckle, look up Trump on Wiki. Article reads like Wapo wrote it.

I'm betting there were many a low-t orgasm in the composition of that one.

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 20, 2018 01:18 PM (Tyii7)

193 What's GNU?

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 01:04 PM (Evws/)

Nothing really! whats gnu with you?
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 01:17 PM (JFO2v)

lol !

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 01:18 PM (/U6eQ)

194 The problem with Wiki is that that things that are political are politicized, and things that are obscure are often wrong because there may be a single author interested enough to update the wiki.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:13 PM (yQpMk)


Yeah, my prior example, the 1968 Rose Bowl, I looked it up on Wikipedia. I now know USC beat Indiana, 14-3, and OJ Simpson was named MVP of the game.

Facts I did not know before I looked it up (mostly because I don't care), and now believe with 100% certainty.

Not political opinion, and not single-sourced. As such, Wikipedia has its usefulness.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 01:18 PM (cY3LT)

195 Check out books from the library on your computer and at the end of the checkout they disappear. What if they are assigning the wrong books to the wrong computer or disappearing problematic and unapproved reading. Be very careful.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 01:19 PM (MIKMs)

196 I read an article once in Reader's Digest once, about Nuclear Power. Now that is what I do for a living, I really do know something about it, and this article was SO WRONG, so slanted, I began to wonder about all the other articles in it. I can't even pick up Reader's Digest anymore. In their own way, they really did broaden my horizons, and I became quite skeptical of just about everything written in the media after that. A questioning attitude is a good thing.

Posted by: Nancy at 7000 feet CO at May 20, 2018 01:19 PM (Nrxta)

197 Crowdsourcing!

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 01:17 PM (Evws/)

This is one of the rare places where I'd trust crowd sourcing if I recognized most of the nics.

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 01:19 PM (n9EOP)

198 ... just report/regurgitate a fact. But they can't even do that.


******


In a world where every 'reporter' or 'journalist' fancies themselves an activist or shaper of opinions who is out to "change the world", this is not a trivial concern.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 01:19 PM (m45I2)

199 Has anyone tasted Encyclopedia Britannica lately? Its not much better than Wiki. I am of a mind to buy an old set of Britannica, say before 1975, just to have a start on reality. What would be nice is to have a set from the 1950s and 1920s just to offer a greater sample size for knowing things that can be known.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 01:20 PM (vV/gB)

200 I guess the Muldoon line winds up on an evolutionary dead end.
Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 12:40 PM[/i


This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a limerick

Posted by: Zombie TS Eliot at May 20, 2018 01:21 PM (EzdLW)

201 What's GNU?

You GNU what would happen here when you asked that, right?

Posted by: That deplorable guy who always says... at May 20, 2018 01:21 PM (Tyii7)

Posted by: Zombie TS Eliot at May 20, 2018 01:21 PM (EzdLW)

203 What if they are assigning the wrong books to the wrong computer or disappearing problematic and unapproved reading. Be very careful.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 01:19 PM (MIKMs)


Comrade, all you really need to know is today's truth!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 01:21 PM (n9EOP)

204 Wiki is like all organizations that are not specifically and organizationally right-wing. They become Left-Wing. Because face it, the world, as the Left sees it, is easy for those who skill is in language. It rewards the unaccomplished glib over the taciturn performer. The net-workers over the solitary. The pretty over the skilled. It's a system set up by leftists to make leftists important.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:21 PM (yQpMk)

205 199 Has anyone tasted Encyclopedia Britannica lately? Its not much better than Wiki. I am of a mind to buy an old set of Britannica, say before 1975, just to have a start on reality. What would be nice is to have a set from the 1950s and 1920s just to offer a greater sample size for knowing things that can be known.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 01:20 PM (vV/gB)

I have an Encyclopedia of plants from Britain, ca. 1830. What they knew and didn't know (but thought they did) is fascinating. What is also interesting is that the various authors also routinely cited the ancients.

Posted by: MarkY at May 20, 2018 01:22 PM (JbTDu)

206 What has been will be again
What has been done will be done again

Posted by: f'd



*******


Indeed.

I am nothing if not derivative.

Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 01:23 PM (m45I2)

207 And also a topic for which mostly nobody cares. Which likely explains the lack of accuracy. To say that everything on Wikipedia is as filled with errors as a page inexplicably dedicated to "Barrington Hall" is quite a stretch.

No, it's got errors in basically every article, and because they require that edits refer to someplace else on the web it's very easy for vandals to game the system and very hard for would-be do-gooders to fix things.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 20, 2018 01:23 PM (gm9yG)

208 What's GNU?

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 01:04 PM (Evws/)

Basically the start of the free software project that Linux lives other. Not exactly, but basically.


========

Richard Stallman, who started GNU is a fat smelly idiot who invented ... a text editor with a lisp interpreter.

He tried to develop an operating system but failed. Linus Torvalds was the inventor of Linux, but Stallman got him to call it GNU/Linux. Richard's lasting contribution was the invention of the GNU clause that states "this software is provided as is without any warranty, including the implied warranty of merchantibility or fitness for a particular purpose".

vi is the ultimate text editor.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 01:23 PM (/qEW2)

209 "The book describes the actions and interactions of a group of highly mobile dogs, who operate cars and other conveyances in pursuit of work, play, and a final mysterious goal: a dog party."
Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 12:15 PM

Go Dog Go!

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at May 20, 2018 01:24 PM (2NqXo)

210 204 Wiki is like all organizations that are not specifically and organizationally right-wing. They become Left-Wing. Because face it, the world, as the Left sees it, is easy for those who skill is in language. It rewards the unaccomplished glib over the taciturn performer. The net-workers over the solitary. The pretty over the skilled. It's a system set up by leftists to make leftists important.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:21 PM (yQpMk)


The problem is that the leftists see themselves as the Knights Templar of the Communist Party. They're utterly devoted, tireless, and relentless in pursuit of their goal.

Most other people have lives.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2018 01:24 PM (YqDXo)

211 What would be nice is to have a set from the 1950s and 1920s just to offer a greater sample size for knowing things that can be known.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 01:20 PM (vV/gB)


My parents had encyclopedias from that era and I used that as reference material constantly.

I still remember one of them had the details of the process for making gun cotton. Sadly, those books got lost when they sold the house and downsized.

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 01:24 PM (n9EOP)

212 See you all later.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 20, 2018 01:25 PM (Evws/)

213
I have an Encyclopedia of plants from Britain, ca. 1830. What they knew and didn't know (but thought they did) is fascinating. What is also interesting is that the various authors also routinely cited the ancients.
-------------------------
Well, if a plant's leaf looks like a kidney it clearly must have some medical properties to aid kidneys. This is Aristotle. Bless his heart. He also thought women had fewer teeth than men and he had a wife to test the truth of the statement. Unless she was a 10 with no teeth.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 01:25 PM (vV/gB)

214 Has anyone tasted Encyclopedia Britannica lately? Its not much better than Wiki. I am of a mind to buy an old set of Britannica, say before 1975, just to have a start on reality. What would be nice is to have a set from the 1950s and 1920s just to offer a greater sample size for knowing things that can be known.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 01:20 PM (vV/gB)


I have mentioned before, I collected and read the AP annuals "History As We Lived It, which were published for the years 1964 through 1977.

They strike me as having been written with a specific intention of NOT infusing them with too much opinion or interpretation. They wanted them to be timelines. Accurate and as complete as could be fit in a thin volume.

I did notice however, the closer we got to 1977, the less sure I felt about what I was reading, without necessarily having any specific proof. Especially when it got to Jimmah Carter, but then, in 1977, I think much of what we later learned about him was still unknown.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 01:25 PM (cY3LT)

215 I am surprised at the SHOCKINGLY HIGH number of Americans who believe that Wikipedia would publish fake info. I must do a monologue about this McCarthyite attack on Wikipedia.

Posted by: Jake Tappper at May 20, 2018 01:26 PM (EzdLW)

216 Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:21 PM (yQpMk)


Also, appearing to be a manager is far far easier than being a really good manager that gets things done!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 01:26 PM (n9EOP)

217 The HURD micro-kernel is still around, yes?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:26 PM (yQpMk)

218 What's GNU?

-----

GNU is not Unix.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:15 PM


And, much like The Horde is the heart of AoSHQ, The Hurd is the heart of GNU.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 20, 2018 01:26 PM (DMUuz)

219

Puddin Head, do a search for "online Encyclopedia" and you'll find a link to old ones online. Someone here posted that link recently.

Or try "online 1911 Encyclopedia."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 01:26 PM (GdWl+)

220 vi is the ultimate text editor.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 01:23 PM (/qEW2)


I used vi in the mid-70s. My next door neighbor was one of the people who had worked on it, and when he told me about it, I went to the computer science department and tried it. It was a revelation.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2018 01:26 PM (YqDXo)

221 "Indeed.
I am nothing if not derivative"

Funny, you don't look Dervish.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 01:28 PM (UdKB7)

222 I have an Encyclopedia of plants from Britain, ca. 1830. What they knew and didn't know (but thought they did) is fascinating. What is also interesting is that the various authors also routinely cited the ancients.
Posted by: MarkY at May 20, 2018 01:22 PM (JbTDu)


Interesting. Cited them for what ? Properties ? like what is deadly, what is medicinal ?

Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 01:28 PM (/U6eQ)

223 set -o vi

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:28 PM (yQpMk)

224 When i was in college, distinctly remember a professor breathlessly regaling us with the 'fact' that the Boeing 747 was so big and complex that they truly didn't fully understand why it actually flew.
**************************************************

The professor didn't understand how it flew, therefore no one else could possibly know, either. Shoulda asked the junkyard/747 mom about it, or the mysterious "they" who probably attended that dog party.

Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at May 20, 2018 01:29 PM (2NqXo)

225 vi is the ultimate text editor.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 01:23 PM


Begun, the EMACS/vi Wars have.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 20, 2018 01:29 PM (DMUuz)

226 I think the corollary is:

People choose what they wish to believe.

They will credit facts which align with their beliefs and discredit facts that are misaligned.

Except me, of course.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 20, 2018 01:30 PM (EZebt)

227 Interesting. Cited them for what ? Properties ? like what is deadly, what is medicinal ?


******

Muldoon's Field Guide to Edible Mushr....Aaacckkk! Croak!

Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 01:30 PM (m45I2)

228 Just trying to add the gab to my nic, hopefully it works

Posted by: LMD Outer Banker at May 20, 2018 01:31 PM (Vuaet)

229 The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. - Richard P. Feynman

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:31 PM (yQpMk)

230
Cheaply and efficiently 'disappeared'. As I said, fungible. I recall an old, old interview with Eleanor Roosevelt where she was explaining coupons during wartime and how to encourage your servants to happily comply. FDR had a fit about saving money for millionaires. Can't be found any more. Have to go to a real book.
Posted by: mustbequantum


Helpful hints on how to survive with only ten servants.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2018 01:31 PM (IqV8l)

231 160,
"Crowdsourcing also showed the TANG Memos were fraudulent; "



"Really? I was under the impression that the first questions were raised by a retired IBM'r..."


The first one that is known, to me, to have shown that the font was from Word was a guy at Free Republic whose name I can't recall but his handle ended "in Buckhead." The definitive take down of the memo was by typography expert, Joseph Newcomer.

Posted by: geoffb at May 20, 2018 01:32 PM (zOpu5)

232 Linus Torvalds was the inventor of Linux, but Stallman got him to call it GNU/Linux.

That's only fair. Most of the software that Linux users run is GNU stuff. As you know, Linux is just the kernel.

Richard's lasting contribution was the invention of the GNU clause that states "this software is provided as is without any warranty, including the implied warranty of merchantibility or fitness for a particular purpose".

Though many other things have tried to say exactly that and found that asshole lawyers, dipshit judges and retarded juries have conspired to bankrupt them on no grounds, anyway.

I think his lasting contribution was making the copyright open to use and alteration by pretty much anyone who wanted to - minor differences in the various "free" software copyrights notwithstanding.

vi is the ultimate text editor.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 01:23 PM (/qEW2)


I use vi when I have to, but only then.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2018 01:32 PM (uSurQ)

233 Puddin Head, do a search for "online Encyclopedia" and you'll find a link to old ones online. Someone here posted that link recently.

Or try "online 1911 Encyclopedia."
----------------------------
Thanks. Will do.

I loved Encyclopedia Britannica because of its condensed essays on almost any topic. I used to outline them when studying for an exam. During an essay exam I would list the outline in the left margin and then write to it. If I ever ran out of time and didn't finish the essay the prof's would reference my outline a give me full credit. I learned this tactic from reading a biography of John Foster Dulles. Neat trick.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 01:33 PM (vV/gB)

234 222
Interesting. Cited them for what ? Properties ? like what is deadly, what is medicinal ?
Posted by: runner at May 20, 2018 01:28 PM (/U6eQ)

There is an ongoing disagreement even now among nurserymen... should the orientation of a tree in the nursery be maintained when it is transplanted out?
Theophrastus thought is was very important, Pliny the Younger thought it unimportant.
Also, in a discussion of huge, old trees, one author tried to find a particular tree, on a manor somewhere. He couldn't find one of the girth cited (some 100 years before) but found one nearly so. His theory was that it "girt itself up" to rise above the competition. As in got smaller to get taller.

Posted by: MarkY at May 20, 2018 01:33 PM (JbTDu)

235

LMD O B'er, I get a "404" error. Try deleting everything before your Gab addy to see if that works.

And thanks for the follow.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 01:33 PM (GdWl+)

236 The HURD micro-kernel is still around, yes?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:26 PM (yQpMk)


Yep. But I don't know anyone who actually uses it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2018 01:34 PM (uSurQ)

237 When i was in college, distinctly remember a professor breathlessly regaling us with the 'fact' that the Boeing 747 was so big and complex that they truly didn't fully understand why it actually flew.
**************************************************

The professor didn't understand how it flew, therefore no one else could possibly know, either. Shoulda asked the junkyard/747 mom about it, or the mysterious "they" who probably attended that dog party.
Posted by: JuJuBee, just generally being shamey at May 20, 2018 01:29 PM (2NqXo)


Is it possible said professor was using the 747 as metaphor? Compare that statement to Adam Smith's "invisible hand."

The concept being, we're all flying on a jumbo jet called the marketplace. Nobody really knows how or why the damn thing flies, but it does.

And all the central planners who try to recreate its success, by trying to fly the thing their way, are bound to crash it, because it's too big and too unknowable for any collection of us to fully understand.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 01:34 PM (cY3LT)

238 %s\/u\/others/\/u\/everyone/g

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:34 PM (yQpMk)

239 ...should the orientation of a tree in the nursery be maintained when it is transplanted out?



*******


GREEN SIDE UP!!!

Posted by: Muldoon at May 20, 2018 01:34 PM (m45I2)

240
There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on, shame on you. Fool me, you can't get fooled again.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2018 01:34 PM (IqV8l)

241 @217: The HURD exists and is self-hosting on multiple architectures, yes. Nobody cares though.

Also, emacs and vi both suck. This is fscking 2018, there's no need to use something intended to fit into a machine with less power than a Commodore 64.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 20, 2018 01:35 PM (gm9yG)

242 testing

Posted by: LMD Outer Banker at May 20, 2018 01:35 PM (Vuaet)

243 Think I got it this time

Posted by: LMD Outer Banker at May 20, 2018 01:37 PM (Vuaet)

244 This is fscking 2018


ISWYDT

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:37 PM (yQpMk)

245 I went to a dentist in the mid-80's who'd allowed some salesman to talk him into replacing his MS-DOS based office system with something UNIXy, which I discovered while leaving and seeing his lone office assistant looking very forlorn.

She had no clue how she was supposed to get her work, most especially word processing done.

I went home, printed out a vi cheat sheet, and went back and spent 30 minutes getting her introduced to it.

The next time I ran into her, she was very grateful. Sadly, I was in a relationship, and had to forfeit my opportunity to become the first Unixian to receive benefits from knowing Unix.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 20, 2018 01:37 PM (DMUuz)

246 There's another book, for those of Arboreal bent, written in the late 1700's, called Sylva, by John Evelyn.
The book could be and used as a text today.
It's on line.

Posted by: MarkY at May 20, 2018 01:37 PM (JbTDu)

247 We should bring back the b: drive.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 01:37 PM (MVjcR)

248

"Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me."


Hence the need for having and using a Bullshit Detector for all things. We now live in the Misinformation Age.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 01:38 PM (GdWl+)

249 Long ago, when I was told by a Wiki moderator, that whether or not something was true didn't mean anything as far as if it could get included in a wiki article or not, I knew then that they were full of it.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at May 20, 2018 01:38 PM (w+Jhj)

250 The next time I ran into her, she was very grateful. Sadly, I was in a relationship, and had to forfeit my opportunity to become the first Unixian to receive benefits from knowing Unix.
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Do Unixians have dangly parts?

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 01:38 PM (vV/gB)

251 Does anyone know what ice hocker team Presdent Obama wants to win the playoffs ??? We are routing for the Canadian teams because US teams do not deserve to win because some of the players support that taitor Trump !!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 20, 2018 01:39 PM (qM84C)

252

Think I got it this time

You did BG. Link goes to your Gab page.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 01:39 PM (GdWl+)

253 What's GNU?

GNU is an acronym for "GNU's Not Unix" and was created in the early 1980's as a "free software" movement to re-implement and improve upon major portions of the Unix operating system which at that time was under heavy copyright restrictions from AT&T. Most Linux distributions are essentially a mix of the Linux operating system kernel (the core software that manages compute, memory and storage resources of the computer) and the GNU software suite which is the part of the software that a user interacts with and uses.

The GNU philosophy is that anyone should be free to use and improve upon the software in any way they wish, with the only restriction being that you can't restrict someone else from using and improving upon your changes to GNU software. People tend to think of GNU software was "free as in beer" which is often is the case, but to the creators of the software it's more about "free as in speech".

I think it's safe to say that the results of GNU software (or software under the GNU license such as Linux) and the free software movement has had as much or greater influence on the world than software from Microsoft or IBM.

Posted by: mpthompson at May 20, 2018 01:39 PM (b0njJ)

254 Unixians do it with text.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:39 PM (yQpMk)

255 Ruh-roh!:

Legal experts believe Mueller might have gathered sufficient evidence for indictments even without a Trump interview. They say Mueller could be reluctant to get bogged down in the months-long legal battle that would ensue were the president to resist a subpoena.

Posted by: Astro at May 20, 2018 01:40 PM (UhXxZ)

256 249 Long ago, when I was told by a Wiki moderator, that whether or not something was true didn't mean anything as far as if it could get included in a wiki article or not, I knew then that they were full of it.
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Wiki's bibliographies are worth exploring. But yes, the information at times seems tainted or just completely off track.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 01:40 PM (vV/gB)

257 vi's only virtue is that it's installed on every Unix machine in the Universe.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 20, 2018 01:40 PM (DMUuz)

258 >>>That's only fair. Most of the software that Linux users run is GNU stuff. As you know, Linux is just the kernel.

In a sense that's fair. GNU reworkings of standard Unix utilities are infinitely superior. They don't have idiotic limits that cause odd failures whose causes are not obvious. Still, GNU did not invent most of the common Unix utilities. *genuflects to Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson*.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 01:40 PM (/qEW2)

259 232 I use vi when I have to, but only then

i only use vi when i can't use wordstar. which, these days, is almost always.

Posted by: Anachronda at May 20, 2018 01:41 PM (h3yxu)

260 251 Does anyone know what ice hocker team Presdent Obama wants to win the playoffs ??? We are routing for the Canadian teams because US teams do not deserve to win because some of the players support that taitor Trump !!!!!
Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at May 20, 2018 01:39 PM (qM84C)

Hockey? That's the one with all the white people beating the only black thing in sight with sticks? No thanks.

Posted by: Barky O'Bama at May 20, 2018 01:41 PM (ANIFC)

261 Legal experts believe Mueller might have gathered sufficient evidence for indictments even without a Trump interview.


Or, maybe not. Worse than Fake News, it's Fake News Filler.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:41 PM (yQpMk)

262 Legal experts..... <<<

Ha, they give you the gell mann in the first two words.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 20, 2018 01:43 PM (r+sAi)

263 97 CBD at Berkeley is like that one turd in the bowl that refused to go down in the swirl of the flush.

And I mean that in the best possible way.
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You should manufacture your own line of boutique Valentine's Day cards.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 12:45 PM (+y/Ru)

Y'all are funny.

Posted by: m at May 20, 2018 01:43 PM (0bRDi)

264 246
The book could be EDITED and used as a text today.
Geez...

Posted by: MarkY at May 20, 2018 01:43 PM (JbTDu)

265 Crowdsourcing also showed the TANG Memos were fraudulent; "

Really? I was under the impression that the first questions were raised by a retired IBM'r...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 01:08 PM (BH7Yv)


First guy was "Buckhead" saying it looked proportional.

After it was shown that the doc could be reproduced by the most common word processor at the time (MS Word) with factory defaults the progtard true-believers claimed it didn't prove anything, a 60s era typewriter could have existed and have could have been used... then some IBM experts chimed in at said, "nope", And the font was copywrited in something like the early 90s.


Related and on topic - progtard true belief repeated daily - RUSSIA!111!1

Yet there has been little interest in following well-known rumors and leeds at the time it allegedly occurred and all evidence seems to point to the RUSSIA investigation is merely a vehicle to harass Team Trump while jack booting over the civil rights of anybody unfortionate enough to get in the way.
Meanwhile

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 20, 2018 01:43 PM (Eu5eZ)

266 Do Unixians have dangly parts?
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 01:38 PM


Yes, and virtually unused to boot!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 20, 2018 01:43 PM (DMUuz)

267 Many a expert has said Mueller can't find out anything from President Trump that he doesn't already know.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 01:44 PM (aC6Sd)

268 Begun, the EMACS/vi Wars have.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 20, 2018 01:29 PM (DMUuz)


Oh well, it was nice to have sex with girls while it lasted...

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 20, 2018 01:44 PM (Tnhbr)

269 Bad thing about subtitles, you can't do anything other else

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 01:45 PM (aC6Sd)

270 I think Trump wants Mueller to issue a nothingburger report, and then have the indictments start to drop. Harder to spin as just politics to undermine the Mueller investigation, which is how MSM has been spinning the scenes from coming attractions that have been coming out.

Indictments are stubborn things.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 01:45 PM (pV/54)

271 Got interviewed by the local paper once, while I was in the Navy. The reporter asked what my rank was. I was an E3 in Engineering so my Rank was "Fireman" and I told him, but also strenuously pointed out that my rank had nothing at all to do with fighting fires (even though all Navy personnel, at least at that time, were taught how to fight fires) , and that I was an electrician.
So, when the article comes out, what does it say?
It says I'm a firefighter in the Navy.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at May 20, 2018 01:46 PM (w+Jhj)

272 Fun fact: vi was written over the weekend by the (now defunct) Sun Microsystems founder Bill Joy, inventor of the sparc microprocessor chip. As a practical joke, his coworkers once put his ferrari into a fountain.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 01:46 PM (/qEW2)

273 Legal experts believe Mueller might have gathered sufficient evidence for indictments even without a Trump interview.


Or, maybe not. Worse than Fake News, it's Fake News Filler.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:41 PM (yQpMk)


Indictment of more companies that didn't exist at the time, imaginary people, and ham sammichs.

Gell-Mann Mueller.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 20, 2018 01:46 PM (Eu5eZ)

274 The first one that is known, to me, to have shown that the font was from Word was a guy at Free Republic whose name I can't recall but his handle ended "in Buckhead." The definitive take down of the memo was by typography expert, Joseph Newcomer.

Let's be fair: what actually convinced people the most was the animated GIF overlaying the TANG memo on a version retyped in Microsoft Word on default settings that was made by Ch*rl*s J*hns*n at LGF.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 20, 2018 01:46 PM (gm9yG)

275 Why are we hiding from the police, Daddy?

Because they use EMACS, and we use vi.

Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned. at May 20, 2018 01:47 PM (IcT7t)

276 Really do not care for "super hero" movies.
Wanna take out Superman, Krytonite tipped bullets. How hard is that.
Saw a trailer for this Deadpool 2. Stupid and juvenile.
Kinda characters you want to dip into a vat of a sulfuric acid/nitric acid mix just to shut them up.

I do miss the old Batman TV show; it did not take itself seriously and the babes were hawt.

BTW, I bet alot of the actresses that play these roles rode the casting casting couch to do so: Numbersignmetotogetthepartbitches

Posted by: The Man from Athens at May 20, 2018 01:47 PM (QMwOT)

277 250 Do Unixians have dangly parts?

it's called the sticky bit

Posted by: Anachronda at May 20, 2018 01:47 PM (h3yxu)

278 After it was shown that the doc could be reproduced by the most common word processor at the time (MS Word) with factory defaults

What kind of retard would make that mistake? If you're going to gin up a document to change the course of American history, would it be asking too much to find an old typewriter?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2018 01:47 PM (YqDXo)

279 Many a expert has said Mueller can't find out anything from President Trump that he doesn't already know.

Mainly because he was part of the from op the very beginning.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 20, 2018 01:47 PM (r+sAi)

280 Thats why they all say a interview is nothing but a trap

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 01:47 PM (aC6Sd)

281 The Gell-Mann effect cannot be repeated too frequently for we do forget it. I started my professional life as a journalist. Though I had high test scores, good grades, and was in the honors program, I was actively discouraged from taking hard classes, especially a rigorous science curricula that combined biology, chemistry, and physics. This was in the late 70s at a state school with a good reputation. Being a good reporter is hard work. People lie to you routinely. Everybody's got an agenda, or a secret. As a small town reporter, I knew the city council met privately to agree on everything before they had the public meeting. Never once recorded a 'no' vote in my 10 months at that newspaper. But, when I caught them at this, my editor refused to run the story. Didn't want to piss off the people who bought ads. At the bigger papers, magazines, as well as radio and TV, it's almost impossible to get enough time to adequately research a story, and then you may have to condense everything down to two minutes or 2000 words. The Internet has destroyed the advertising model for the news business; from $45 billion annually to $9 billion. They've fired most of the people who actually gather the news. They rely almost exclusively on overworked, underpaid reporters who never have the time (and many who don't have the intellect) to understand the stories they are reporting. So they become reliant of leaks and influence peddlers like Fusion GPS. American journalism looks and feels like the emergency room in a third world city. Lots of noise and drama, but you sure as hell wouldn't want to go there.

Posted by: IanDeal at May 20, 2018 01:48 PM (5mrLG)

282 Wikipedia is useful for surface info. Most people don't go there for the end-all in knowledge, but if I want to know where Bulgaria is and what's their major industry or religion, it's useful.

Posted by: Make Katy Perry Stop Murdering Nuns! at May 20, 2018 01:48 PM (nv4jJ)

283 What kind of retard would make that mistake? If you're going to gin up a document to change the course of American history, would it be asking too much to find an old typewriter?

Asked and answered: Dan Rather, or his "informant" if you believe CBS didn't just manufacture the thing themselves.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 20, 2018 01:48 PM (gm9yG)

284

Just posted at GAB--under my real world name. Did NOT intend that, will have to figure out how to amend it to read irongrampa,

Posted by: irongrampa at May 20, 2018 01:48 PM (S/hVx)

285

Long ago, when I was told by a Wiki moderator, that whether or not something was true didn't mean anything as far as if it could get included in a wiki article or not, I knew then that they were full of it.


One of my societal pet peeves was the Seinfeld meme, "It's not a lie if you believe it." That really gets my hackles up.

Let's get this straight once and for all: A lie is a lie, and if you believe it, you're an imbecile for not using your Bullshit Detector.

Question everything. You can pretty much tell if something just doesn't sound quite right, but you need to question it first. Note how SJW's will repeat a phrase verbatim, even when pressed to 'splain itself. There's your sign...

"But Brawndo has what plants crave..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFD2ggNxR1g

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 01:49 PM (GdWl+)

286 >>>>Legal experts believe Mueller might have gathered sufficient evidence for indictments even without a Trump interview. They say Mueller could be reluctant to get bogged down in the months-long legal battle that would ensue were the president to resist a subpoena.

Go on.... I need a good laugh today.

Posted by: Monk at May 20, 2018 01:49 PM (Wd0WT)

287 Barrington eh? Was it anything like Cloyne Court? I hung out there a few times.

Posted by: Taco Shack at May 20, 2018 01:50 PM (ic+7n)

288 272 Fun fact: vi was written over the weekend by the (now defunct) Sun Microsystems founder Bill Joy, inventor of the sparc microprocessor chip. A as a practical joke, his coworkers once put his ferrari into a fountain.

fixt

Posted by: Anachronda at May 20, 2018 01:50 PM (h3yxu)

289

Just posted at GAB--under my real world name. Did NOT intend that, will have to figure out how to amend it to read irongrampa,


IIRC, you change that in your Profile settings for Username. I did the same thing at first, too. Went back and deleted that post.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 01:50 PM (GdWl+)

290 So, when the article comes out, what does it say?
It says I'm a firefighter in the Navy.
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Firefighter is better than Corpseman.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 01:51 PM (vV/gB)

291 Guise. Guise! GUISE!

Trump is finnsh. For realz this time.

Posted by: Monk at May 20, 2018 01:52 PM (Wd0WT)

292 271 Got interviewed by the local paper once, while I was in the Navy. The reporter asked what my rank was. I was an E3 in Engineering so my Rank was "Fireman" and I told him, but also strenuously pointed out that my rank had nothing at all to do with fighting fires (even though all Navy personnel, at least at that time, were taught how to fight fires) , and that I was an electrician.
So, when the article comes out, what does it say?
It says I'm a firefighter in the Navy.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at May 20, 2018 01:46 PM (w+Jhj)

____

If you were taught how to fight a fire the article was technically correct by your definition.

Next time say "Rear Admiral".

Went to the HR office of a University that I worked for back in the day. I had just gotten hired as an assistant professor and the lady was typing up my ID cards. When she asked for my position I jokingly replied "Provost". She blindly started typing and was rather cross with me when I had to stop her and tell her it was a joke. She was not amused.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at May 20, 2018 01:53 PM (QMwOT)

293 I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes - and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!

+++++
Swamp Things need to go buy a lot of Depends & Toliet Paper

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 01:53 PM (y3aQB)

294 So, when the article comes out, what does it say?
It says I'm a firefighter in the Navy.


Even if the reporter got it right, I can imagine an editor changing it to "firefighter" in the interests of "clarity." I bet journalism generally has a lot of "Chinese whispers" going on.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2018 01:53 PM (YqDXo)

295 Posted by: AshevilleRobert at May 20, 2018 01:46 PM

Should'a told 'em you were a snipe. Problem solved.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 20, 2018 01:54 PM (DMUuz)

296 That last post was from PDT

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 01:54 PM (y3aQB)

297 Legal experts.....

Ha, they give you the gell mann in the first two words.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 20, 2018 01:43 PM (r+sAi)


No no, it took 3.

The sentence might have read "Legal experts were all gathered and roasted over an open fire, and even the dogs wouldn't eat it."

That would have been truth.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 01:55 PM (cY3LT)

298 It says I'm a firefighter in the Navy.
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Engineers. Choo-choo or science?

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 01:55 PM (MIKMs)

299 28
Why does my hash keep changing? Look at 9 and 22.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 12:13 PM (MVjcR)


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First one is posted from your tablet, second one from your laptop using your neighbor's wifi.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 01:55 PM (VgKNm)

300 Legal experts.....

Ha, they give you the gell mann in the first two words.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 20, 2018 01:43 PM (r+sAi)


"Legal experts from the National Lawyers Guild ..."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 20, 2018 01:56 PM (YqDXo)

301 The problem I see with a fully digitized world is that it's too easy to track and destroy materials.

I'm a techno-twit and admittedly don't understand this stuff, but I always assume that anything in the aetheric is readily accessible to others, including the feds.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 20, 2018 01:57 PM (0jtPF)

302 Iron Grandpa
Go back into GAB, at the top right hand corner there is something that looks kind of like an asterisk. Click on it and it will take you to your profile. Go into the profile and replace your name with what you want to show when you post.

Posted by: LMD Outer Banker at May 20, 2018 01:57 PM (Vuaet)

303 "I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, ...'

Shit's getting real. Has Trump ever made an accusatory tweet that didn't pan out.

Expect it will show that the DOJ/FBI surveillance predated any official authorization. In fact it was used to bootstrap things like the FISA warrant.

Will the MSM talking heads who said months ago that Trump was 25th Amendment crazy to say he was being spied on, now double down?

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 01:58 PM (pV/54)

304 gab profile, https://gab.ai/badger1970 . if you note, background from a CBD art link

Posted by: auscolpyr at May 20, 2018 01:59 PM (pzA2L)

305
realDonaldTrump
The Witch Hunt finds no Collusion with Russia - so now they're looking at the rest of the World. Oh' great!




and why hasn't the Podesta brother been charged and arrested, like others, after being forced to close down his very large and successful firm? Is it because he is a VERY well connected Democrat working in the Swamp of Washington, D.C.?

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 01:59 PM (y3aQB)

306 I never signed up for a Twitter account. I don't know what I would do with Gab.

Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2018 01:59 PM (sdi6R)

307 The problem I see with a fully digitized world is that it's too easy to track and destroy materials.

When I read about a laptop having important information on it for an investigation, I laugh. At least with a sheet of paper you had to use "whiteout" or something to change something. Laptop....a few keystrokes.

Posted by: Colin at May 20, 2018 02:00 PM (yLA6Y)

308 Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 01:58 PM (pV/54)
++++
VSG PDT knows everything that is going on from Adm. Mike Rogers & Now he has the levers of power

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 02:00 PM (y3aQB)

309 Sadly, the NYTs admitting to a spy in Trump's campaign will lessen the air time for Pron Lawyers. Or maybe not. Let's see!

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 02:00 PM (vV/gB)

310 "A man has only those rights he can defend"

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 02:01 PM (aC6Sd)

311 I never signed up for a Twitter account. I don't know what I would do with Gab.

Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2018 01:59 PM (sdi6R)


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Me, neither. Using twitter to advertise for gab could be fun, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 02:01 PM (VgKNm)

312 When taking a basic college history course recently, I found Wiki to be amazingly helpful. Obscure historical events (e.g., small-scale military skirmishes) were often described in detail. But the most amazing thing was that when I latched onto one - and checked it out with other (patently more reliable) sources, most of it checked out.
I think more political events would not be worth relying on much, tho.

Posted by: one-eyed cat peepin' in the seafood store at May 20, 2018 02:01 PM (/sTHK)

313 "Should'a told 'em you were a snipe. Problem solved.


Posted by: Duncanthrax"

Heh.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at May 20, 2018 02:01 PM (w+Jhj)

314 When I first read this thread, I thought it said "Jell-O Man Amnesia" and I thought you were talking about me.

Then I realized it was "Gell-Mann Amnesia."

Boy, am I relieved.

Care for a drink?

Posted by: Bill Cosby at May 20, 2018 02:01 PM (53Dys)

315 irongrandpa -- hope your birthday celebration (boots and all) was a lot of fun. Don't know why, but Kinkyboots was running through my limited brain.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 02:01 PM (MIKMs)

316 281---Posted by: IanDeal at May 20, 2018 01:48 PM (5mrLG)
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Nice comment on the general state of modern journalism.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 20, 2018 02:02 PM (0jtPF)

317 VSG PDT knows everything that is going on from Adm. Mike Rogers & Now he has the levers of power
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I suspect Director Wray updates the WH on the ongoing new broom sweeps clean agenda. All this talk about Wray not doing Trump's bidding is just that, talk. Trump knows entertainment and the slow strip tease always keeps the crowds glued to the stage.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 02:03 PM (vV/gB)

318 Well, shit. If all I had to do was say that the Watergate break-in was "just an investigation," things would have been fine.

Posted by: Zombie Richard Nixon at May 20, 2018 02:04 PM (53Dys)

319
I always laugh when I read "journalism" that says, experts say, or some say, etc. They never name a person, they just wanted to get that line in their story.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 20, 2018 02:04 PM (r+sAi)

320 and why hasn't the Podesta brother been charged and arrested, like others, after being forced to close down his very large and successful firm? Is it because he is a VERY well connected Democrat working in the Swamp of Washington, D.C.?
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Same reason the Clinton Global Initiative got closed down.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 02:05 PM (vV/gB)

321 NYT has an article on the demise of Time Inc. Sad.

giggle

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 02:06 PM (UdKB7)

322 232 I use vi when I have to, but only then.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2018 01:32 PM (uSurQ)


I only use vi when I find that nano isn't installed.

272 Fun fact: vi was written over the weekend by the (now defunct) Sun Microsystems founder Bill Joy, inventor of the sparc microprocessor chip.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 01:46 PM (/qEW2)


I still go to java.sun.com while checking for Java updates. It continues to redirect to the corresponding Oracle page eight years after Sun's demise.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at May 20, 2018 02:06 PM (NL6wI)

323 Seems Maduro with 75% disapproval will win re-election. This should make Rahm Immanual ecstatic, what with his 25% approval rate.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 02:08 PM (vV/gB)

324 "Experts say Miklos is certain to win the Powerball this week."

I'm putting that down on my mortgage application.

Posted by: Miklos, with more mortgages than ex-wives at May 20, 2018 02:08 PM (zCyNd)

325 NYT has an article on the demise of Time Inc. Sad.

giggle

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 02:06 PM (UdKB7)

Time's up.

Posted by: Miklos, former Newsweek stringer at May 20, 2018 02:10 PM (zCyNd)

326 Or something.

Posted by: deadrody at May 20, 2018 11:58 AM (jsGbO)

Thanks for the insight.

You might like hotair.com a bit more than AoSHQ.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 02:13 PM (wYseH)

327 i've found wikipedia to be a great source for information on military history. i've learned a lot about historical battles which are often described in detail. the entries are structured to give context, leading events, logistics, strategy and tactics, casualties and aftermath.

i have no reason to believe these very straight-forward entries are anything but the facts as best understood by historians.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 20, 2018 02:13 PM (Pg+x7)

328 >>>204 the world . . . rewards the unaccomplished glib over the taciturn performer.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:21 PM (yQpMk)

Not in that Fry, Peterson, Dyson, Goldberg debate linked in the sidebar. Yowza.

Posted by: m at May 20, 2018 02:14 PM (0bRDi)

329 I was perusing Drudge and MacAfee interrupts to tell this is a risky site. I guess Drudge has pissed someone off.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 02:15 PM (vV/gB)

330 I use Wiki to look up all the famous people mentioned in the news, however, they are not known to me

Posted by: LMD Outer Banker at May 20, 2018 02:16 PM (Vuaet)

331 > But the absolute drivel written about a place in which I lived for two years was astounding. Dates were wrong,

*or* you might have remembered it wrong since you were there in the 1960s?

Having noted the mistakes, did you correct them?

Posted by: ArthurK at May 20, 2018 02:16 PM (r36Sg)

332 *Checks Wikipedia article on "Effects of the French Revolution"*

"Too soon to tell"

*pretty good, needs attribution*

Posted by: Zhou En-Lai at May 20, 2018 02:16 PM (zCyNd)

333 It's no Virginia Tech something something, but the one that opened my eyes to Wikipedia (and made me chuckle at their annual poor mouthing) was looking at their entry for some WWII codebreakers and reading about a superstar team headed by some hotshot man that had a couple of women on his team.

The photo associated with the hotshot man's team?

One of the women he supervised and who answered to him.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 02:18 PM (VgKNm)

334 I was perusing Drudge and MacAfee interrupts to tell this is a risky site. I guess Drudge has pissed someone off.

I'm guessing lefty wankers have bots "reporting" Drudge several thousand times a day, because they're still pissed at him for breaking the Lewinsky story.

Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned. at May 20, 2018 02:19 PM (IcT7t)

335 285---....One of my societal pet peeves was the Seinfeld meme, "It's not a lie if you believe it." That really gets my hackles up.

Let's get this straight once and for all: A lie is a lie, and if you believe it, you're an imbecile for not using your Bullshit Detector.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy likes lobster at May 20, 2018 01:49 PM (GdWl+)
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I dunno.
A falsehood is certainly a falsehood, regardless of what anyone believes.
But to "lie" is deliberately to state as true what you know to be false.

The witness who sincerely thinks he saw Joe Schnurd at the scene of the crime and so testifies may be mistaken.
The one who so testifies, knowing it is false, is lying.

But you touch on something very important here re use of one's Bullshit Detector. To what extent is someone morally culpable for just blindly repeating things they don't really know to be true?
At what point does a reckless disregard for truth become equivalent to a deliberate lie?


Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 20, 2018 02:20 PM (0jtPF)

336 I know I should subscribe to Brittanica online but it's not cheap.

Posted by: Kim Jong-fu at May 20, 2018 02:21 PM (artIV)

337 BTW, did you correct any of the mistakes in the article?

Posted by: Brown Line at May 20, 2018 12:26 PM (S6ArX)

No. It really isn't that important to me. I just found it amusing.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 02:21 PM (wYseH)

338 NYT has an article on the demise of Time Inc. Sad.

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We were strong armed into getting a subscription. The last two issues have turned a little away far left moonbatism, especially the, you know, the FBI really sucks issue but they still lean heavily left and are devoted to fake news. It's too little, too late. They decided to sacrifice credibility on the alter of virtue signalling so may they burn in magazine hell.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 02:22 PM (+y/Ru)

339 Wiki is like all organizations that are not
specifically and organizationally right-wing. They become Left-Wing.
Because face it, the world, as the Left sees it, is easy for those who
skill is in language. It rewards the unaccomplished glib over the
taciturn performer.
The net-workers over the solitary. The pretty over
the skilled. It's a system set up by leftists to make leftists
important.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 01:21 PM (yQpMk)

This is a really good point....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 02:23 PM (wYseH)

340 As a member of a technical profession, it seems the Gell-Mann effect does not play much of a role in articles on technical issues. Wikipedia is more likely to be opaque and unhelpful to the novice than inaccurate.

After all, it's not just j-school or telecomm majors reporting here.

Posted by: Axebot at May 20, 2018 02:24 PM (JhE5a)

341 I think the nail in the coffin for Time was the Barry and Micheal swimsuit issue.

Posted by: Astute observer at May 20, 2018 02:24 PM (zCyNd)

342 Wikipedia actually allows mere mortals to correct information? The couple of times I had tried a decade or so ago it told me no, and that I'd need to submit the information to the person who had originally posted the incorrect stuff.

Or something.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - I choose to live my life as a black woman at May 20, 2018 02:25 PM (VgKNm)

343 *or* you might have remembered it wrong since you were there in the 1960s?


Posted by: ArthurK at May 20, 2018 02:16 PM (r36Sg)

I'm not nearly as old as you....

I was there in the 1980s. And while my memory is hazy about many things, it's not that hazy!

Nope...I just don't care that much. Not interested in correcting it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 02:25 PM (wYseH)

344

I am unable to alter my profile LMG Outer Banker, there is no icon or symbol to click on.
I don't really care if people HERE know my meat world name, but others may be able to bother a bit.
Gonna try a few more things, if nothing works, then I'll delete my membership and start fresh. So for a little bit I'll be unavailable.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 20, 2018 02:27 PM (S/hVx)

345 This place is more informative and it's run by Morons.

Posted by: DaveA at May 20, 2018 02:27 PM (FhXTo)

346 Everone knows wiki is a unreliable source yet cite it with false authority when expedient. Another great concept corrupted by the very people who maintain it.

The same now applies to other more esteemed and scholarly institutions like Stanford university's online philosophy papers.

Which also calls to mind things like Landmark pubishing Julius Caesar's et al supposed authority on the campaigns against the Celts. Wonderfully detailed maps. Moving narratives.

We can nibble at the edges of history, but never bite at the full reality of the thing.


Posted by: 13times at May 20, 2018 02:28 PM (K3B2k)

347 I was told by a Wiki moderator, that whether or not something was true didn't mean anything as far as if it could get included in a wiki article or not

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True is a tool of white privilege.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 02:29 PM (+y/Ru)

348 323 Seems Maduro with 75% disapproval will win re-election. This should make Rahm Immanual ecstatic, what with his 25% approval rate.
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 02:08 PM (vV/gB)
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It helps when you destroy all of the opposition parties first!
No one there is even pretending it's a real election.
So sad.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 20, 2018 02:29 PM (0jtPF)

349
I am unable to alter my profile LMG Outer Banker, there is no icon or symbol to click on.
I don't really care if people HERE know my meat world name, but others may be able to bother a bit.
Gonna try a few more things, if nothing works, then I'll delete my membership and start fresh. So for a little bit I'll be unavailable.
Posted by: irongrampa at May 20, 2018 02:27 PM (S/hVx)
++++
Click your Avatar go to settings & you can

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 02:29 PM (y3aQB)

350 I was told by a Wiki moderator, that whether or not something was true
didn't mean anything as far as if it could get included in a wiki
article or not

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From what I recall from years ago, the only criteria is that 'reliable sources' are cited. Obviously a very flexible standard, but that is what they use.

Posted by: mustbequantum at May 20, 2018 02:32 PM (MIKMs)

351 What kind of retard would make that mistake?

Asked and answered: Dan Rather,

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The motherfvcker of all fake news.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 02:32 PM (+y/Ru)

352 I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes - and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!

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mmphmmrm.... just 5 more minuteszzzzZZZZZZzzzzzz........

Posted by: Sleepy Sessions at May 20, 2018 02:33 PM (ANIFC)

353 professor was using the 747 as metaphor

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I never metaphor I didn't like.

Posted by: Will Rogers at May 20, 2018 02:39 PM (+y/Ru)

354 348
It helps when you destroy all of the opposition parties first!
No one there is even pretending it's a real election.
So sad.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 20, 2018 02:29 PM (0jtPF)


I just read an article that said a lot of people are boycotting the election, calling it a "fraud".

Maduro will still claim to have a mandate, regardless of how few people vote. That's a big problem with democracy: it confers a veneer of legitimacy on a government, no matter how inept or criminal it is.

Posted by: rickl at May 20, 2018 02:43 PM (sdi6R)

355 "Scientific method? What's that?"**
**Your basic "Climate Scientist"

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Real science: adjust theory to match data

Climate science: adjust data to match theory

Posted by: Will Rogers at May 20, 2018 02:43 PM (+y/Ru)

356 Wiki mods are awarded shiny baubles and meaningless badges for clicking on stuff. All feeding off one another's virtual 'in' and 'out' work trays. Process reigns supreme. Reality and context mashed under typewriter keys. The EU writ small.

A bureaucrat's Utopia. Thomas More weeps. But from joy or terror?

Posted by: 13times at May 20, 2018 02:44 PM (K3B2k)

357
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes - and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!

You've been served!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 02:46 PM (+y/Ru)

358 It's simple, really!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix#/
media/File:Unix_history-simple.svg

Posted by: DaveA at May 20, 2018 02:48 PM (FhXTo)

359 >>>291 Guise. Guise! GUISE!

Trump is finnsh. For realz this time.
Posted by: Monk at May 20, 2018 01:52 PM (Wd0WT)

heh

Posted by: m at May 20, 2018 02:49 PM (0bRDi)

360
Gabba gabba hey!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 02:49 PM (pNxlR)

361
So long, nickname link to the Encyclopedia of On-line Integer Sequences. *sniff*

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 02:52 PM (pNxlR)

362 Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I hereby demand . . .

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Like Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday walking toward the OK Corral.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 02:54 PM (+y/Ru)

363 This place is more informative and it's run by Morons.

That's the plus side of the Dunning-Krueger effect. If you hang with people on the right half of the graph, you're okay.

We know we're Morons, so we don't spout off about stuff we don't understand.

...as often as Wiki editors do, anyway.

Posted by: mikeski at May 20, 2018 02:59 PM (JGBbg)

364 Strzok, the guy who needed an insurance policy in case Trump got elected, was involved in

1) the Hillary investigation. He was the FBI guy who interviewed her. After Page texted him that Lynch "knows no charges will be brought."

2) the Flynn Frame. He was the FBI guy Sally Yates sent to interview Flynn. Where Strzok changed his 302 report at McCabe's behest to claim that Flynn had lied.

3) the Russian collusion investigation. Strzok opens counterintelligence investigation of Russian collusion based on Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, and oversaw the investigation.

4) the Weiner laptop cover-up. Comey sent Strzok to look at the laptop so they could say "nothing to see here, move along."

5) the Mueller investigation. Strzok joined the team, presumably to co-ordinate and carry messages to the rest of the cabal.

Also, Page and Strzok texted that "[President Obama] wants to know everything we're doing."

Strzok can roll up the whole thing. With Page and Priestap and lots of documents corroborating.

Mehtinks Trump knows this, and it informs his tweet storm

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 03:00 PM (pV/54)

365 nood pdt

Posted by: m at May 20, 2018 03:02 PM (0bRDi)

366 Climate science: adjust data to match theory
Posted by: Will Rogers at May 20, 2018 02:43 PM


Works for me.

Posted by: Tiffini in Dallas' plastic surgeon at May 20, 2018 03:03 PM (DMUuz)

367 i looked up an obscure American firearms company yesterday (surprise!) and, amazingly enough, the Wiki article and the NRA museum article had major differences in details...

one guess which one i trusted.

now, to see if we win the auction.

Posted by: redc1c4 at May 20, 2018 03:04 PM (QDw86)

368 The same for K-12 texts that the schools pay for.
Only government funding could pull off such a feat. The cost of
information has been reduced to near zero and its availability has been
extended to every nook and crannie.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 20, 2018 01:07 PM
I must correct you on this. I'd rather have a paper textbook with supplemental materials than a two-year license to an e-book. I've done the math, and in about four years, the license costs more than the classroom texts did. In addition, a district can pay for a brand-new curriculum and within five years, the textbook company will simply stop supporting it; e.g. the NY Engage curriculum's digital links are often broken or deleted.Or you get recommendations like "The Times in Plain English", which dumbs down the NYT so it can be read by the barely-literate. Go ahead and look up its version of the article "An America Only for Americans" and its blatant anti-Trump agenda.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at May 20, 2018 03:30 PM (fxCK2)

369 The general theory of evolution describes a well-established mechanism that is among the most powerful ever known to Man.

Except macro evolution has never been observed, it only exists as a form of creative speculation.

So what flavor of Evolutionary Theory is the most powerful ? Punctuated Equilibrium, Catastrophism, Classical Darwinism, Phyletic Gradualism? And of these which sub-theories correctly speculate on origins?

The problem is, that Creationists and Evolutionists have the same evidences, but have profoundly different assumptions, even Evolutionists have wildly divergent foundation of assumptions, and since no one was there to observe the initial conditions, its basically a food fight over ideology. Both are faith based. Only Creationism is rational.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at May 20, 2018 04:25 PM (lD3vL)

370 If it's wrong, log in, edit it and fix it. That's the way crowd-sourcing is supposed to work. Not going to some other website and complaining about it. Just saying.

Posted by: Random Thought Generator at May 20, 2018 05:18 PM (iOKfQ)

Sunday Morning Book Thread 05-20-2018

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Library of Jake Holenhead


Good morning to all you 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes. Oh, and we've got a new category of readers, escaped oafs and oafettes. Welcome once again to the stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, a weekly compendium of reviews, observations, and a continuing conversation on books, reading, and publishing by people who follow words with their fingers and whose lips move as they read. Unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's these hideous-looking pants, which look like an explosion in a hippie factory.


Pic Note

Jake tells me:

Hope this photo size isn't too large. I took photos of the individual shelves then stitched them together. It drives me nuts to see someone's personal library and not able to read the book titles.

I know the library pic looks tiny, but click on it, and you'll see how yuuuge, classy, and luxurious it is. You can, indeed, read every title on Jake's shelves.


It Pays To Increase Your Word Power®

Something that is BOMBYLIOUS is buzzing like a bee.

Usage: Muhammad Ali bombyliously defeated George Foreman.

Bonus:

A MUCK-ROBIN is a child who deliberately enjoys annoying or disturbing adults.

Yes, but isn't that a description of pretty much every child?

RIP Tom Wolfe

Another great one gone:

Tom Wolfe, an innovative journalist and novelist whose technicolor, wildly punctuated prose brought to life the worlds of California surfers, car customizers, astronauts and Manhattan’s moneyed status-seekers in works like “The Kandy-Kolored Tangerine-Flake Streamline Baby,” “The Right Stuff” and “Bonfire of the Vanities,” died on Monday in a Manhattan hospital. He was 88.

The link is to the NY Times obit, which gives a pretty good overview of his life. Breitbart has a TL;DNR version.

I think my favorite Wolfe book is The Right Stuff, his chronicle of the early days of the U.S. space program. But if you're going to read that, I recommend you first read Wolfe's essay 'The Truest Sport: Jousting with Sam and Charlie' which appeared in his collection Mauve Gloves & Madman, Cutter & Vine. It's a sort of a precursor essay that touches on the same themes as 'The Right Stuff'.

Mrs. Muse liked From Bauhaus to Our House, which explained how a progressive/socialistic world view really messes up architecture. The example photos that show the ugly new buildings are worth the price of the book.


Whither the 2018 Nobel Literature Prize?

Cancelled:

Riven by infighting and resignations following allegations of sexual misconduct, financial malpractice and repeated leaks, the Swedish Academy has said no Nobel prize for literature will be awarded this year.

To compensate, they're going to give out two in 2019. Or, so they say.

Here is what the fuss is about:

At the root of the institution’s unprecedented crisis are a raft of wide-ranging allegations against Jean-Claude Arnault, a photographer and leading cultural figure in Sweden, who is married to Katarina Frostenson, an academy member and author.

Last November, the Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter published detailed allegations by 18 women accusing Arnault of sexual harassment and physical abuse over a period of more than 20 years, in France and Sweden and including at properties owned by the academy.

Not that any of you care. But I must admit to partaking of some schadenfreude flavored pudding in our customary manner when I first heard about this squabble. Another progressive instition is rotting merrily away from the inside and the rot has now become visibly apparent.

And speaking of sensitivity readers, here's another article about content-policing, only this time pointed an authors who say things you don't like or do things that are morally reprehensible. But wouldn't that have to include pretty much every author who has ever lived? My favorite example of this kind of thing is Ayn Rand, who always wrote in glowing terms of the absolute necessity of human freedom and expression, but in real life, the inbred little group that coalesced around her was run like a totalitarian gulag, complete with ritual denunciations, show trials and excommmunications. Rand made Stalin look like Tiny Tim.

I especially liked this response to the WaPo article:

I came to California to work at a teaching and retreat center where many famous people from many disciplines would come to teach. I had left a short term job in upstate NY at a similar facility. Spending time around many well known scientists, authors, spiritual leaders, etc., I realized that quite a few were pretty unpleasant to hang around. Though their teaching and writing may be brilliant, they often were pretty mean in interpersonal relationships. What surprised me the most was that many of the people that were teaching about one form of relationship improvement or another were the worst offenders. It was then that I realized one must not expect the creator to live up to the ideals in the creation. Perhaps it's the demons that haunt their personalities that inspires their brilliance in all but their own lives.

Hence the dictum: never meet your heroes, you're bound to be disappointed.


Moron Recommendation

'Ette LindaF wants me to tell you about a good independent book store:

That city is about 30 minutes away from Charlotte, NC.

The store is The BooKnack, 742 North Anderson Road, Rock Hill, SC

They have a good deal with bringing in old books - they issue credits, which you can use to buy their used books at greatly reduced price (not valid on new book, though). They have a killer Mystery section, good for Thrillers (Lee Child et al), and even have audio books for sale. They carry a lot of independent authors, particularly the locals. VERY supportive of those independent of the mainstream publishers.

It doesn't appear to have a web page.

She also tells me she has published an update for modern readers of The Lottery, by Shirley Jackson. It’s on Smashwords, Readers Choice pricing - zero to whatever. She wrote it in response to a comment on one of your threads.

Available at this link.

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OldSailors Poet informed me that he has read a book he calls a "total moronesque masterpiece":

A conservative author I hold in great prominence has chosen to use a pen name because she fears retribution over the way she humiliates the SJW movement. It is called, "The Narrative". It is very funny and very well written.


Votermom has also read it. From her review:

This book fearlessly mocks and ridicules the Left, and yet the remarkable thing is that it manages not to be angry. I feel like the author had a lot of fun writing this, and does not view her character with contempt, but rather with compassion. I actually found myself rooting for Majedah to be redeemed.

This book made me snort my coffee with laughter, made me stay up too late reading, made me nod my head in agreement with it's description of the Left. All in all this novel a satirical glitter-bomb masterpiece.

However:

97 Just started reading the satirical novel The Narrative by Deplora Boule at the recommendation of the Bookhorde blog. I'm finding it a bit heavy-handed, but thoroughly funny political humor from the "right" perspective.

Posted by: Hans G. Schantz at May 13, 2018 09:47 AM (1pQvR)

So it sounds like the worst thing you can say about this book is that it preaches to the choir. Which is OK, since we're the choir.

Here is the Amazon blurb:

Majedah is gifted with good looks, an elite journalism degree, and uncanny reporter senses that tingle when news is about to break. Plucky and ambitious, she’s determined to climb to the top of the broadcast world and land a job at global media giant News 24/7.

A story with a flawless narrative catapults Majedah to national prominence—and a position as a pool reporter at News 24/7’s swanky Manhattan headquarters. With one eye on the coveted primetime feminist anchor slot and the other on a past love she can’t quite forget, Majedah uses her impeccable social justice credentials to keep climbing. When she’s pigeonholed as the media expert on an unlikely presidential candidate, will Majedah break the biggest scoop of the century? Or will the scoop break her?

The Narrative by "Deplora Boule" is available on Kindle for $4.99.


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Don't forget the AoSHQ reading group on Goodreads. It's meant to support horde writers and to talk about the great books that come up on the book thread. It's called AoSHQ Moron Horde and the link to it is here: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/175335-aoshq-moron-horde.

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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, rumors, threats, and insults may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.

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1 Bookish.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 20, 2018 08:50 AM (nBBdT)

2 Hello, my fellow librosexuals!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 08:50 AM (qJtVm)

3 Like a Hammer.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 08:51 AM (qJtVm)

4 Still working on three books. The last vol. of Churchill, 'Turing', and 'Black Rednecks and White Liberals'.

The latter is proving very interesting. Sowell is always spot on.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 20, 2018 08:53 AM (nBBdT)

5 Good morning, Horde.

Posted by: Cowboyneal - the other Jewish carpenter at May 20, 2018 08:54 AM (DyZyb)

6 Oregon Muse,

Thanks for posting my library pic.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 08:54 AM (9UFns)

7 My favorite Wolfe book is From Bauhaus to Our House. Best part was the chapter on Corbusier's housing project for "the Workers"; he demanded that the proles keep blinds fully open, half mast, or completely down to maintain the visual integrity of the modern monsterpiece.

"Corbu" himself lived in a big beautiful traditional house, of course.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 08:57 AM (qJtVm)

8 Is that a painting of Liz Warren on the bookshelf?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 20, 2018 08:57 AM (SiINZ)

9 Something that is BOMBYLIOUS is buzzing like a bee.

Also, it's in that one Sister Nancy song.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 08:57 AM (y87Qq)

10 Jake - The knife constitutes probable cause. Expect an unannounced visit visit by Mueller.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 20, 2018 08:57 AM (w1zJX)

11 Oh, and needless to say, The Workers strung their laundry on lines and the place reeked of cabbage and kitsch in short order.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 08:58 AM (qJtVm)

12 My favorite Wolfe book is From Bauhaus to Our House. Best part was the chapter on Corbusier's housing project for "the Workers"; he demanded that the proles keep blinds fully open, half mast, or completely down to maintain the visual integrity of the modern monsterpiece.
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Interestingly, Jimmy Carter demanded that all curtains or blinds at the WH be coordinated.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 20, 2018 08:59 AM (w1zJX)

13 When I go to Dropbox the photo is tiny and I can't expand it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:00 AM (qJtVm)

14 I finished Kleinkrieg edited by Charles D. Melson. The book mainly contains two German booklets that examines guerilla warfare. Interesting look at counter-insurgency from a different viewpoint marred by some typographical errors and awkward translation. Rating = 4.5/5. (The WWII German booklet "Fighting the Bandit War" included the reminder for the target audience [German troops] to not immediately execute the bandits but interrogate them before sending them to the Secret Field Police).

I read The Open Range Men by Lauran Paine. This was the source material for the Keven Costner movie, Open Range. A owner of a freegrazing cattle herd and his cowboys encounter a violent and theiving ranch owner. The novel is a bit of a pot-boiler and differs from the movie but I enjoyed it. Rating = 4/5.

I also read Eagle in the Snow by Wallace Breem; the novel got mentioned on the Book Thread some time ago. The novel looks at the fall of the Roman Empire through the eyes of the commander of the XXth Legion defending the Rhine in 400AD. The novel is mostly about the Roman commander's attempts to keep the barbarians at bay through subsidies and intrigues. The final climactic battle finds the 6000 Legionaires, auxiliaries and Roman volunteers against 250,000 barbarians is quite intense. Well done novel but the shift in narration from first person to third person in the Epilogue is a bit jarring and I wish Breem had been a bit clearer in what message he was trying convey at the very end. Still a very interesting novel. Rating = 4.5/5.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 20, 2018 09:01 AM (5Yee7)

15 Very nice library, Jake. I would like to post photos of my bookcases, but most of them are in my bedroom,and I don't know if I want to post photos of my bedroom. Maybe I'll try to cut & paste pics of just the book cases like you did.

Posted by: josephistan at May 20, 2018 09:01 AM (ANIFC)

16 Just got the kindle edition of "The Narrative." I need a good laugh.

Posted by: JAS at May 20, 2018 09:02 AM (ii30j)

17 Is that a painting of Liz Warren on the bookshelf?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 20, 2018 08:57 AM (SiINZ)

It's a Charles Russell painting of a real indian gal I copyed from the web. Not that fake one from Mass.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 09:02 AM (9UFns)

18 Nice library. Of course I think he needs at least one more bookshelf now since some of the books don't have a home.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 20, 2018 09:03 AM (J70i0)

19 Nice library, but where are the PH, DMG and MM?

Posted by: Blacksheep at May 20, 2018 09:03 AM (N+OGf)

20 Oh, I already told my Tom Wolfe story, but it wasn't in the vaunted book thread so I shall tell it again with pants on.

When Bonfire of the Vanities came out I was at a downtown Manhattan grad school and one of my best friends lived uptown in an Opus Dei house with mostly students from the school up there. He invited me to come have dinner and share a talk with Tom Wolfe.

It was like a fraternity house for Good Boys, with stained glass windows and a resident monk to watch over them. The food was excellent.

And then Wolfe talked and took questions from a room of twenty, maybe thirty people. I had read the book and some others, but I had nothing as smart to ask as all of the Columbia Opus Dei kids. They asked about the religious significance of the word Vanity, which turned out to be wholly intentional on Wolfe's part.

So I sat back and looked at the white linen suit and noted that he also wore silk socks.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 09:03 AM (fuK7c)

21 Tolle Legs
Reading Patrick O'Brien's Treason Harbour and moving through it much faster than last few.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 09:04 AM (aC6Sd)

22 I read SPQR IX: The Princess and the Pirates by John Maddox. Decius Caecillus Metellus is sent to Cyprus to rid the Eastern Mediterranean of pirates. There he meets the young Cleopatra. The Roman ruler of the island is murdered, and Decius must put his pirate hunting on hold until he solves the crime. Mystery, island history, world trade, and piracy are all connected.
I also read Call Each River Jordan by Owen Parry. This is the third book in the Abel Jones series. Major Jones is sent by President Lincoln to the western front in southwestern Tennessee to investigate the murder of forty Negro slaves. He arrives just in time to participate in the bloody battle of Shiloh. Parry's battlefield scenes are excellent.
To complete the investigation, he is given a letter from General Grant and a white flag of truce to cross the Confederate lines. General Beauregard of the Confederacy wants to solve the crime too and assigns Jones a young lieutenant to act as a guide. Parry writes excellent descriptions of northern Mississippi and its economy at the time.

Posted by: Zoltan at May 20, 2018 09:04 AM (RKP6T)

23 "Interestingly, Jimmy Carter demanded that all curtains or blinds at the WH be coordinated."
If "pride" is thinking only of how you think of yourself, and "vanity" is thinking only of what others think of you, Jimmy Carter is indeed vain.

Posted by: JAS at May 20, 2018 09:04 AM (ii30j)

24 During my travels in my AO I found "Siege at Jadotville".

It is the story of the men of A Company, 35th Irish Infantry Battalion, who instead of surrendering when cut off and surrounded in the Congo, decided to hold their ground and fight in 1961.

They fought for 6 days until all ammo and rations ran out, inflicting over a thousand casualties and not losing a man.

They made a movie about it but I am going to read the book first.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 09:04 AM (EoRCO)

25 When I go to Dropbox the photo is tiny and I can't expand it.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:00 AM (qJtVm)

Keep clicking the plus sign. It should make it bigger.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 09:04 AM (9UFns)

26 We were discussing White Russians at work, as one is wont to do – the Tsarist kind, not the cocktail beloved of The Dude – and I brought up that irrepressible imp Baron Roman von Ungern-Sternberg. My history buff friend was unaware of his existence, and when I pulled up his inevitable Wiki page he said the same two things I said years ago: 1) How did this magnificent freak ever manage to fly below my radar, and 2) Why has no movie been made about him? The answer I think is that the truth is insufficiently believable:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_von_Ungern-Sternberg

A man so violent that he was thought by the Mongols to be a physical embodiment of the God of War.

I believe he has been reincarnated in the more benevolent form of our very own Slavic superman Uncle Palp, what with his love of armored cars and “cavalry people”.

I felt it high time I reread Palmer’s excellent “The Bloody White Baron”. I also thought I’d go to another source, Polish writer, explorer, and Commie-hater Ferdynand Ossendowski, who joined the Baron in his escapades and wrote about it in “Beasts, Men and Gods” (published in 1921 and a best-seller). I found it for FREE on Amazon for the Kindle. Lots of wonderful descriptions of the hard-bitten, hell-for-leather Mongol way:

“Prince Chultun Beyle gave us a very good guide – an old Mongol named Tzeren. Shortly before he had been sent as a special envoy to Peking with very important dispatches and this incomparable horseman had made the journey between Uliassutai and Peking, that is 1,800 miles, in nine days, incredible as that may seem. He prepared himself for the journey by binding all his abdomen and chest, legs, arms, and neck with strong cotton bandages to protect himself from the wracks and strains of such a period in the saddle. In his cap he bore three eagle feathers as a token that he had received orders to fly like a bird. He made the distance between stations at full gallop, stopping only long enough to have the horses and guards changed before he was off again. At every third station, without leaving his saddle, he received a cup of hot green tea with salt and continued his race southward. After seventeen or eighteen hours of such riding he stopped for the night, devoured a leg of mutton, and slept. Thus he ate once a day and five times a day had tea; and so he traveled for nine days!”

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:05 AM (qJtVm)

27 Add me to the list of fans for "From Bauhaus to Our House." Before I read it, I only knew that I hated modern architecture with the passion of a thousand burning suns. After I read it, I knew why.
Speaking of architecture and houses, this week I have been overseeing the construction of a covered patio/screened porch for the resident cats to luxuriate in at the back of my house. I am committed to painting it over the weekend, so the carpenters can come tomorrow and tack on the hardware cloth which will make it permanently cat-proof. So not much chance to read anything substantial, except for Sharon McCrumb's romp, "Zombies of the Death Sun" - a hilarious murder mystery set at a science fiction convention.

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at May 20, 2018 09:05 AM (xnmPy)

28 Good Sunday morning, horde!

Nice library, Jake. I am also a fan of C.J. Box.

And I found the cat in the picture!

Posted by: April at May 20, 2018 09:05 AM (e8PP1)

29 I can say that Wolf's The Right Stuff literally changed my life. It woke me up to the possibilities of life and to overcome the mental box I had put myself in. It was also a rollicking good time. I re read it every so often.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 20, 2018 09:06 AM (+Tibp)

30 Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 20, 2018 08:57 AM (w1zJX)

The Gurkha knife and I will be here waiting for him.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 09:07 AM (9UFns)

31 During my travels in my AO I found "Siege at Jadotville".



It is the story of the men of A Company, 35th Irish Infantry
Battalion, who instead of surrendering when cut off and surrounded in
the Congo, decided to hold their ground and fight in 1961.



They fought for 6 days until all ammo and rations ran out, inflicting over a thousand casualties and not losing a man.



They made a movie about it but I am going to read the book first.



Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 09:04 AM (EoRCO)

I saw the movie. My guess is the book is better.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 09:07 AM (n13/j)

32 I started reading "Gibraltar" by Mr. & Mrs. Adkins this week. It's about the longest siege in British history, and the longest engagement of the American Revolution - the great siege of Gibraltar, when Spain laid siege to the British garrison at Gibraltar from 1779-1783. It's a very good read.

SPOILER ALERT:

The British kept Gibraltar but lost America.

Posted by: josephistan at May 20, 2018 09:07 AM (ANIFC)

33 They made a movie about it but I am going to read the book first.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 09:04 AM (EoRCO)


Let us know what you think of it. AMZN Prime, I think, popped the movie on my recommendations list, but I haven't seen nor read it.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 09:08 AM (y87Qq)

34 ''I also read Eagle in the Snow by Wallace Breem; the novel got mentioned on the Book Thread some time ago. The novel looks at the fall of the Roman Empire ''

Just coming to the end of "The History of Rome"' podcast myself. Surprisingly, though I know perfectly well what's coming, I'm depressed beyond words. What a lousy way for a once great empire to end. It basically killed itself.

Posted by: Tuna at May 20, 2018 09:08 AM (jm1YL)

35 Loved the book Bonfire of the Vanities but hated the movie well except for Melanie Griffin saying my panties are damp

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 09:09 AM (JFO2v)

36 From Bauhaus to Our House

I like The Fountainhead by Rand on how politics causes architecture to be bad.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 09:10 AM (JFO2v)

37 I got the Jordan Peterson book to prep for the book club ace is going to totally do...... I may actually read it too. My problem is I spend too much time reading comments to actually read many books. My last book was OSP's Amy Lynn: Hatchet. I actually read it too!!

Posted by: lin-duh at May 20, 2018 09:10 AM (kufk0)

38 Tuesday at 8 pm on PBS: The Great American Read-------100 best-loved books.

Here's the list:
http://www.pbs.org/the-great-american-read/books/#/

You can vote on your favorites

Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at May 20, 2018 09:10 AM (RfnqA)

39 I saw the movie. My guess is the book is better.
Posted by: Quint

I saw the movie on Netflix. Surprisingly, the surviving soldiers were considered somewhat cowardly (according to the movie) by the Irish and have only recently begun to be appreciated.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 20, 2018 09:10 AM (+Tibp)

40 Let us know what you think of it. AMZN Prime, I think, popped the movie on my recommendations list, but I haven't seen nor read it.
Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 09:08 AM (y87Qq)

Yup....so far in the foreword the author states that the movie is pretty much spot on as far as he is concerned, taking pains to get the story straight and not "hollywerid" it.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 09:11 AM (EoRCO)

41
Good morning, you animals well-read, bookish people who read well and bookishly!


Hence the dictum: never meet your heroes, you're bound to be disappointed.

Several years ago, I was at a Rangers' game with a friend who's the world's biggest Jimmy Buffet fan.

Somewhere around the 1st inning, I noticed that Jimmy Buffet and his entire band were sitting on our same row about fifteen seats away.

I asked him, "Hey, is that Jimmy Buffet over there?"

He looked and said, "Yeah! It is!"

So, I said, "Man, go over and say hello. You're his biggest fan."

And he said, "No."

"Why not?"

"Well...he might be a dick. And then I'd have to hate his music. I don't want to do that."

I laughed at the time, but his reasoning has stuck with me.

I've never has the opportunity to meet one of my "heroes". So, I can't test out his theory.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 20, 2018 09:11 AM (9q7Dl)

42 They made a movie about it but I am going to read the book first."

Good call, but the flick is pretty good - esp some period correct hardware (spoiler alert - some isn't, but hey. Only on a smart military blog...)

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 09:12 AM (7LY+6)

43 ugh.

Try again.

Good morning, you animals well-read, bookish people who read well and bookishly!


Hence the dictum: never meet your heroes, you're bound to be disappointed.

Several years ago, I was at a Rangers' game with a friend who's the world's biggest Jimmy Buffet fan.

Somewhere around the 1st inning, I noticed that Jimmy Buffet and his entire band were sitting on our same row about fifteen seats away.

I asked him, "Hey, is that Jimmy Buffet over there?"

He looked and said, "Yeah! It is!"

So, I said, "Man, go over and say hello. You're his biggest fan."

And he said, "No."

"Why not?"

"Well...he might be a dick. And then I'd have to hate his music. I don't want to do that."

I laughed at the time, but his reasoning has stuck with me.

I've never has the opportunity to meet one of my "heroes". So, I can't test out his theory.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 20, 2018 09:12 AM (9q7Dl)

44 There should be an action figure of Tom Wolfe in his ice cream suit.

I like how he was drawn for The Simpsons:

http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Tom_Wolfe_(character)

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:13 AM (qJtVm)

45 I like The Fountainhead by Rand on how politics causes architecture to be bad.


Oh, I can't help but think of that book every time I see the Boston Customs House. You know how she hated the mixing of unrelated architectural styles?

Greek temple at the bottom, neoclassical up the tower, and WTF at the top.

bit.ly

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 09:14 AM (fuK7c)

46 I had to google CJ Box. I have never heard of him. Looks like the books could be worth a shot.

Posted by: Molly k. at May 20, 2018 09:14 AM (IR0iM)

47 Gotta run, BBL y'all...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 09:15 AM (7LY+6)

48 Lt. Col. Richard E. Cole, USAF passed away. I saw him four years ago, sharp as a tack, at the Eisenhower Museum. He drove from Mississippi to be there.

He was there to answer question on his book on the First Air Commandoes, Project 9: Birth of the Air Commandos by Dennis Okerstrom and Dick Cole. I have that signed book in my library.

That trip to Salina, my wingman's and my sharp, our on-point questions, and his vibrant answers to the "how do you feel" questions of the insipid educators present is a bright and happy memory.

He was much more that Doolittle's copilot.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 09:15 AM (hyuyC)

49 What surprised me the most was that many of the people that were teaching about one form of relationship improvement or another were the worst offenders.

Exhibit A: NXIVM.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at May 20, 2018 09:15 AM (du45m)

50 He's on a roll this morning!

@realDonaldTrump

Things are really getting ridiculous. The Failing and Crooked (but not as Crooked as Hillary Clinton) @nytimes has done a long & boring story indicating that the World's most expensive Witch Hunt has found nothing on Russia & me so now they are looking at the rest of the World!

....At what point does this soon to be $20,000,000 Witch Hunt, composed of 13 Angry and Heavily Conflicted Democrats and two people who have worked for Obama for 8 years, STOP! They have found no Collussion with Russia, No Obstruction, but they aren't looking at the corruption...

...in the Hillary Clinton Campaign where she deleted 33,000 Emails, got $145,000,000 while Secretary of State, paid McCabes wife $700,000 (and got off the FBI hook along with Terry M) and so much more. Republicans and real Americans should start getting tough on this Scam.

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 09:15 AM (Enq6K)

51 ''I also read Eagle in the Snow by Wallace Breem; the novel got mentioned on the Book Thread some time ago. The novel looks at the fall of the Roman Empire ''

Just coming to the end of "The History of Rome"' podcast myself. Surprisingly, though I know perfectly well what's coming, I'm depressed beyond words. What a lousy way for a once great empire to end. It basically killed itself.
Posted by: Tuna at May 20, 2018 09:08 AM (jm1YL)


Breem deals with that, too. The Roman towns are crumbling and the civil government doesn't want to support the legion. Armor and weapons shipped to the legion do not always meet regulations.

The novel is a bit depressing (we know it'g going to end badly for the Romans) but the legion is faithful to protecting civilization until death. I think Breem was trying to say that sometimes all you can do is go down fighting.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 20, 2018 09:16 AM (5Yee7)

52 I’ve been enjoying (if that is the correct word) the grim arctic series “The Terror” on AMC. I went to my 1870’s-ish book “Thrilling Adventures in the Arctic Regions” from The Youth’s Library of Wonder and Adventure for more tales of ruin (Sidebar: This little volume written for Victorian tykes and tweeners is at a much higher literary level than most modern books for adults.) The majority of anecdotes about the search for the Northwest Passage seem to end in being iced in for a season, abandoning one’s ship as it is crushed in the vicelike grip of the ice, drifting on an ice floe when the icepack suddenly cracks, mutiny or near mutiny, scurvy, and occasionally cannibalism.

My favorite line, as regards a most primitive group found on Greenland: “To this tribe, the ugliest of the Esquimaux race, Captain Ross gave the name of Arctic Highlanders.”

In keeping with this frigid theme I’m also reading Matthew Iden’s The Winter Over about suspicious goings on at the South Polar scientific station Shackleton. Strange things are afoot just as the main body of scientists from the summer group are leaving and the skeleton crew is left to overwinter during six months of night. Aliens, vampires, psychokillers… isn’t that always the time they let their freak flag fly?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:16 AM (qJtVm)

53 Oh sorry...meant to put that on the EMT.

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 09:17 AM (Enq6K)

54 Posted by: josephistan at May 20, 2018 09:01 AM
Posted by: April at May 20, 2018 09:05 AM
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 20, 2018 09:03 AM

Thanks, Thanks, and Thanks.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 09:17 AM (9UFns)

55 @43

I was wondering what deep moronesque meaning there was to the original post. Glad you cleared it up because my brain isn't ready for deep thought this morning.

Posted by: Tuna at May 20, 2018 09:17 AM (jm1YL)

56 This week I read the first book in the Rivers of London series: "Midnight Riot" (this is the US title). Enjoyed it. It's a mystery in the urban fantasy genre about a new constable who finds he has magical powers and apprentices with Detective Inspector Thomas Nightingale, last of the occult detectives. Lots of humor and it's rather fun.

Posted by: Dr Alice at May 20, 2018 09:18 AM (W+MBL)

57 Nice library, but where are the PH, DMG and MM?
Posted by: Blacksheep at May 20, 2018 09:03 AM (N+OGf)

You mean my Navy manuals? I have MMs. Don't know what the other 2 are.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 09:19 AM (9UFns)

58 It is going to be very interesting in the next few years how people (media) will react to their well spoken halfblack Pres being an evil, corrupt, and treasonous semi-dictator.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 09:19 AM (JFO2v)

59 What a fantastic library.

So many good books to read, Jake Holenhead!

So when we all stop being 29, and retire, Horde Library road trips and MoMeets?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 09:20 AM (hyuyC)

60 Posted by: Semi-engaged Scroller at May 20, 2018 09:10 AM (RfnqA)

I see that The Little Prince is on that list. I have picked that up and started it no less than a dozen times in my life, beginning about 40 years ago when I was in high school. I have never found it engaging enough to get more than a few pages in.

What am I missing?

Posted by: April at May 20, 2018 09:20 AM (e8PP1)

61 "I started reading "Gibraltar" by Mr. & Mrs. Adkins this week. It's about the longest siege in British history, and the longest engagement of the American Revolution - the great siege of Gibraltar, when Spain laid siege to the British garrison at Gibraltar from 1779-1783. It's a very good read. "

Years ago, I had a chance to take an undocumented tour inside the rock, given by a member of the SAS.

The Great Siege was covered very well.

As well as the adaptations made for World War Two.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 09:20 AM (EyPfd)

62
And then Wolfe talked and took questions from a room of twenty, maybe thirty people. I had read the book and some others, but I had nothing as smart to ask as all of the Columbia Opus Dei kids. They asked about the religious significance of the word Vanity, which turned out to be wholly intentional on Wolfe's part.
---

Wasn't there some callback to Savanarola's burning of the vanities (clothing, fancy fripperies, etc.)?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:21 AM (qJtVm)

63 Eris. Mark Twain looked better in an Ice-cream suit.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 09:21 AM (2K6fY)

64 @57 - just messing with you. Those are gaming books, well known only by those with no life.

Seriously, nice library.

Posted by: Blacksheep at May 20, 2018 09:22 AM (N+OGf)

65 YAY BOOKTHREAD!
And SUNSHINE!

thanks for mentioning the Narrative, OM.

I have two more Moron books to rec today

one is a thick epic fantasy by AM Stirling, a lurker

and the other is a FREE philosophical ebook that ibguy published of his late friend's writings.

link in nic

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 20, 2018 09:22 AM (hMwEB)

66 @60
Nothing. I felt the same way.

Posted by: Tuna at May 20, 2018 09:22 AM (jm1YL)

67 Though their teaching and writing may be brilliant, they often were pretty mean in interpersonal relationships.

Had an English teacher in HS who loved Ayn Rand and was definitely one of those "lover of the arts" types. She was a good teacher. Of course her personal life was a mess. She was having an affair with the neighbor's husband. Meanwhile her husband was carrying on with the wife.

BTW, this is why all great art is developed when there it has some limits. I'm not talking overbearing censorship. I mean some sort of moral restrictions that force artists to get inventive. Otherwise you have what you see now which is simply who can shock and offend the most. This is why some of Hollywood's best movies came out during the Hayes code period.

Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 20, 2018 09:23 AM (J70i0)

68 Years ago, I had a chance to take an undocumented tour inside the rock, given by a member of the SAS.



The Great Siege was covered very well.



As well as the adaptations made for World War Two.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 09:20 AM (EyPfd)
I only got the regular tour. But I did see some monkeys.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 09:23 AM (n13/j)

69 Jake - awesome library - i'd take it in a heartbeat, over all those pretty museum-libraries we're supposed to revere but not use. I also appreciate your 'have to see the titles' approach - i hope everyone henceforth follows your example.

it's also the first time i have seen a bookshelf with a book i am in. Hehehe.


exceptionally well done - thank you!

Posted by: goatexchange at May 20, 2018 09:23 AM (e7ZJU)

70 Nice library, Jake. I am also a fan of C.J. Box.

Seconded !

Posted by: JT at May 20, 2018 09:24 AM (BvUjA)

71 "You mean my Navy manuals? I have MMs. Don't know what the other 2 are."

Have you ever seen/completed 'Tools and their uses'?

As interesting as BT 3&2

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 09:25 AM (EyPfd)

72 BTW, this is why all great art is developed when there it has some limits. I'm not talking overbearing censorship. I mean some sort of moral restrictions that force artists to get inventive. Otherwise you have what you see now which is simply who can shock and offend the most. This is why some of Hollywood's best movies came out during the Hayes code period.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 20, 2018 09:23 AM (J70i0)

I thought Howard Stern was funnier over the air than on satellite.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 09:25 AM (JFO2v)

73 Richard Pipes also passed away. He helped Reagan win the Cold War and was deeply knowledgeable about the real history of Communism.

His book A Concise History of the Russian Revolution (1995) should be taught in every high school, every journalism class and to every *** Studies majors. Maybe they will go on to some of hos other great books.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 09:25 AM (hyuyC)

74 I had to google CJ Box. I have never heard of him. Looks like the books could be worth a shot.


Posted by: Molly k.


His books are excellent !

Posted by: JT at May 20, 2018 09:25 AM (BvUjA)

75 Hello and goodbye.

Gotta go to a yard sale.

Have a great week everyone !

Posted by: JT at May 20, 2018 09:27 AM (BvUjA)

76 if you are a *** studies major, change majors.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 09:27 AM (n13/j)

77 Jake, ya did good with your stitching. Technically, it's quite nicely done, and that's not an easy one to pull off. Even with Photoshop's 'stack as layers' feature, there are still other tech-y things to deal with. Congratulations for such an excellent and clean execution of your bookshelf. Well done.

Posted by: Dr_No at May 20, 2018 09:27 AM (imDUY)

78 "A man so violent that he was thought by the Mongols to be a physical embodiment of the God of War."

His book A Concise History of the Russian Revolution (1995)

Thanks Ya'll.....I have been looking for material on the Russian Civil War.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 09:28 AM (EoRCO)

79 it's also the first time i have seen a bookshelf with a book i am in. Hehehe.
Posted by: goatexchange at May 20, 2018 09:23 AM (e7ZJU)

Which book, or are you pulling legs.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 09:30 AM (9UFns)

80 I assume there are some Morons who speak Hebrew because some have lived in Israel or maybe still do. The reason I mention that is I read an essay by Cynthia Ozick who talked about the dearth of people who don't speak or understand it in the US, including herself, which wasn't always the case particularly in the early 20th century. She initially started off talking about a literary gathering at some famous Y in Manhattan between a Christian writer and a jooo talking about the King James translation of psalms, as well as most of the Old Testament, being one step away from the source language which is so evocative in mystical matters as to be kind of a problem in terms of a true understanding of a book that is kind of important to a lot of us.

She then went on to discuss a book about Hebrew poets in the US, all of whom have relocated to Israel, that concentrated on their work in the original as well as serviceable translations and commentary. I like Ozick as a writer and was confused with where she was going with this when she revealed that one of the poets was her uncle, who she liked a lot and was very supportive of her writing career, and here she was getting some insight into what was the major thrust of his life that she'd previously only hazily knew about.

Anyway it was a very effective piece that got across to me what a strangely unique language Hebrew is.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 20, 2018 09:30 AM (y7DUB)

81 C.J. Box appears to write stories like Ben Rehder and his Blanco Cty stories.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 09:30 AM (JFO2v)

82 Spending time around many well known scientists, authors, spiritual leaders, etc., I realized that quite a few were pretty unpleasant to hang around.

-
I suspect that a part of it is that they are constantly surrounded by vicious sycophants who want constantly flatter hoping for endorsement, recognition, or promotion for themselves that creates a self defense mechanism of nastiness. As that great philosopher Jerry Lewis said, I don't know the secret of success but the secret to failure is trying to please everyone. They lead a lives of excess reputation, temptation and victimization. Every word or decision is criticized by people who praise them to get something from them. That leads to hubris, suspicion and spite.

I'm not excusing their vile conduct, only stating that they have challenges we mere mortals lack.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 09:30 AM (+y/Ru)

83 Hence the dictum: never meet your heroes, you're bound to be disappointed."

This tends to confirm the idea that, for anyone to rise to the top levels of their particular profession, they must have strong (but controllable) psychopathic tendencies in their personality.
It would be an explanation as to why psychopathic tendencies still remain in the human gene pool. To be an uncontrolled psychopath is to be a monster who must be caged and destroyed; but to be a carefully controlled psychopath makes one the Head of the University Department, or CEO of a major corporation.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 09:30 AM (V2Yro)

84 Ah, I finally got Jake's picture to expand. Nice collection! Lots of Naval Institute Press volumes, I see. You were a squid? Bubblehead?

Ooh, and lots of Burroughs! I have the same Barsoom editions and wish I still owned all my Moon, Venus, and Pellucidar books.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:32 AM (qJtVm)

85 Have you ever seen/completed 'Tools and their uses'?
As interesting as BT 3&2
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 09:25 AM (EyPfd)

Probably in MM 'A' School as it seems familiar. And I would kill for the BT 3/2 manuals.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 09:33 AM (9UFns)

86 ''Wasn't there some callback to Savanarola's burning of the vanities (clothing, fancy fripperies, etc.)?''

The artist, Botticelli, was one of Savanarola's followers. He tossed in a bunch of his own paintings into that bonfire.

Posted by: Tuna at May 20, 2018 09:33 AM (jm1YL)

87 "Oh....uhhhh..just one more thing...."

Insomniac- if you're out there or in here or up a tree........

Hiya.

Posted by: JT at May 20, 2018 09:34 AM (BvUjA)

88 "And I would kill for the BT 3/2 manuals."

I may still have a copy in the attic.

I'll look the next time I'm up there.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 09:34 AM (EyPfd)

89 I finished "A Mind for Murder" about the Unabomber. It was interesting. I'm not sure that he spends enough time on the Harvard experiments. It does show how corrupt the CIA has always been.

Currently reading "All Flesh is Grass". It probably won't be of interest unless you are interested in pasture grazing.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at May 20, 2018 09:34 AM (Lqy/e)

90 studies major, change majors

If you are in college and studying degree that has the word study in it your are being sold down the river. Even back in K12 Social Studies was a bullshit subject. It was created to make all civilizations and religions great and equal.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 09:34 AM (JFO2v)

91 Nice library. I'm glad I'm not the only one with a time/life series of books, or 2....or 3.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 20, 2018 09:34 AM (9Om/r)

92 Oh, Oh! I see several books my first ship is in. I'm a quarter of a pixel high on the starboard bridge wing.
So don't look in the index.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 09:35 AM (hyuyC)

93 Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 08:54 AM (9UFns)

I love the kukri!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 20, 2018 09:36 AM (wYseH)

94 nice bookshelves, Jake

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 20, 2018 09:36 AM (hMwEB)

95 73 Richard Pipes also passed away. He helped Reagan win the Cold War and was deeply knowledgeable about the real history of Communism.

His book A Concise History of the Russian Revolution (1995) should be taught in every high school, every journalism class and to every *** Studies majors. Maybe they will go on to some of hos other great books.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 09:25 AM (hyuyC)

RIP, Mr. Pipes. His full size history of the Russian Revolution is excellent.

Posted by: josephistan at May 20, 2018 09:37 AM (ANIFC)

96 Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 09:04 AM (EoRCO)

I watched Siege of Jadotville a few months ago (Netflix?)
I thought it was interesting, glad the soldiers finally got some recognition

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 20, 2018 09:38 AM (hMwEB)

97 Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 09:25 AM (hyuyC)
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Sad! He was an island of reason in a sea of yammering loonies.

I first encountered his writing in "Conspiracy: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From". International Jooooory, UFOs, CIA drug pushers, JFK....

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:39 AM (qJtVm)

98 What's the BT manual, not recognising the abbreviation?

Posted by: Oedipus at May 20, 2018 09:39 AM (dk2uH)

99 You were a squid? Bubblehead?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:32 AM (qJtVm)

Yes, and yes. And a f***ingnuc.

The ERB books I've never read are his Tarzan ones. Which might be goofy since that is what he's most famous for.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 09:40 AM (9UFns)

100 Damn, I like that time/life series on the seafarers. It has pirates

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 20, 2018 09:40 AM (9Om/r)

101
Regarding Jadotville, did the film and book note that the only reason the Irish had to fight was because the UN had taken sides with the commies in the internal Congo conflict and pushed them forward into an area with heavy Katangan sentiment without support?

Not that the Katangans and their mercenaries were saints, but the UN mandate for their peacekeepers in Congo had strictly prohibited taking sides, at least until the commies started whining because they didn't have enough strength to take back Katanga.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 20, 2018 09:40 AM (eXA4G)

102 What's the BT manual, not recognising the abbreviation?
Posted by: Oedipus at May 20, 2018 09:39 AM (dk2uH)

Boiler Technician

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 09:42 AM (9UFns)

103 If you are in college and studying degree that has the word study in it your are being sold down the river. "

Same goes for the word "science" - if that word has to be included, it usually isn't there.

Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics, etc., - no need to add the word "science" there, because everyone already knows. On the other hand "Social Science" is just "Social Studies" with the Pretension level cranked up to eleventy.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 09:42 AM (V2Yro)

104 Nice library Jake! I see a few old friends on those shelves. The Horde has now inspired me to return to Wolfe, especially Bauhaus. Good Morning to all

Posted by: Winston at May 20, 2018 09:42 AM (wgCUV)

105 The artist, Botticelli, was one of Savanarola's followers. He tossed in a bunch of his own paintings into that bonfire.
Posted by: Tuna at May 20, 2018 09:33 AM (jm1YL)
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Nooooooo! I love Botticelli!

Nothing wrong with tasteful neo-pagan semi-nudity!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:43 AM (qJtVm)

106 The ERB books I've never read are his Tarzan ones. Which might be goofy since that is what he's most famous for.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 09:40 AM (9UFns)
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Me neither *shrugs*

Give me planetary romances any day of the year (even if there are 687 of them).

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:45 AM (qJtVm)

107 Conspiracy: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From

I need to read this. Interesting that many conservative conspiracies turn out to be true: Gun control means confiscation, Iran deal was treason and illegal, IRS targets conservatives and that many progressive conspiracies: Russian collusion, 911 insider job, AIDS created to destroy blacks become more UNTRUE every passing day.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 09:45 AM (JFO2v)

108 Same goes for the word "science" - if that word has to be included, it usually isn't there.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 09:42 AM (V2Yro)


*pouts*

Posted by: CSE majors everywhere at May 20, 2018 09:45 AM (y87Qq)

109 the World's most expensive Witch Hunt has found nothing

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You know what's ironic? Hillary is engaged in a witch hunt.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 09:45 AM (+y/Ru)

110 Regarding talking with musicians, I go to clubs where pretty esoteric improv is played and most, not all, are interested in talking to the minuscule subset of people who like what they do. Life on the road is pretty lonely and most are interested in answering any insightful questions about their work. Some don't but they usually aren't dicks about it.

Regarding Buffet, he's famous enough that he knows a gazillion people like his music and would probably resent even an informed comment on his work when he's with his buds trying to enjoy a hockey game.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 20, 2018 09:46 AM (y7DUB)

111 When I was much younger, I really got into ERB's Barsoom books. The movie versions that have been attempted have all been great disappointments, and it's a shame, since there's plenty of good material there.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 09:46 AM (V2Yro)

112 On the other hand "Social Science" is just "Social Studies" with the Pretension level cranked up to eleventy.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 09:42 AM (V2Yro)

Justice=all people equal under law
Social Justice=no people equal under law

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 09:47 AM (JFO2v)

113 speaking of conspiracies, the movie Siege of Jadotville goes with the theory that UN Sec Gen Dag Hammarskjöld was assassinated.

(they've never officially ruled on the cause of the plane crash, so it is likely)

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 20, 2018 09:47 AM (hMwEB)

114 I see that The Little Prince is on that list. I have picked that up and started it no less than a dozen times in my life, beginning about 40 years ago when I was in high school. I have never found it engaging enough to get more than a few pages in.

What am I missing?

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I donno. I had to read it in the original French and still saw nothing but shallowness. And this despite having great admiration for the author.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 09:49 AM (+y/Ru)

115 [They have a good deal with bringing in old books - they issue credits, which you can use to buy their used books at greatly reduced price ]

Bookstore in our neck of the woods has the same deal. But they have a website. I'm spending time and money there because we decided to keep two bookcases that we were going to sell as part of our renovations.

https://www.murphysusedbooks.com

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2018 09:50 AM (UKVPl)

116 Oh oh, also finished "Amy Lynn, Hatchet". Love this series and think it cries out to be made into movies.

Can't wait for the next one.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:52 AM (qJtVm)

117 Regarding Buffet, he's famous enough that he knows a
gazillion people like his music and would probably resent even an
informed comment on his work when he's with his buds trying to enjoy a
hockey game.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 20, 2018 09:46 AM (y7DUB)


I have plenty of informed comments on his work.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 20, 2018 09:52 AM (9Om/r)

118 The Metric System will kick your ass every time.

Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2018 09:52 AM (J7XgW)

119 We're fortunate that a benevolent Ace allows the posting of shelf pictures.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 09:53 AM (MVjcR)

120 Turbines!

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at May 20, 2018 09:53 AM (sM+h7)

121 All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

I have all of E.R. Burroughs books except for his plays. Most are paperbacks from my youth. They were quite formative to a wee lad, when my father started developing my book habit.

The Moon Men is one of his best written books, with two interlinked short stories. Beyond 30 and the Outlaw of Torn made an impact to expand my horizons as a lad. As did Tarzan and the Ant Men, a planetary romance all in Africa.

But Dejah Thoris! "I still live."

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 09:54 AM (hyuyC)

122 [ I see that The Little Prince is on that list. I have picked that up and started it no less than a dozen times in my life, beginning about 40 years ago when I was in high school. I have never found it engaging enough to get more than a few pages in.

What am I missing?]

What sticks I my mind is the rose. How TLP thought we was unique, but then he discovered there were millions of roses. And he weeps for the loss of something e thought was special.

I don't think there's much more depth than that. It's just a cute little story about the loss of childish innocence.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at May 20, 2018 09:54 AM (UKVPl)

123 Back from the grocery store just in time for the book thread. I had ben re-reading the Honor Harrington series most of this week but got burned out on it by the 5th book. Decided to give it a rest for a while. I have moved on to David Eddings' Belgerad series now.


Also speaking of book shelves, wifey has embarked on a major house cleaning project. Had all our shelves removed and carried out. While doing this we have sorted through and took all the books we had on our e-book readers and took them to the library to make more room.


Now we have to load the rest along with all the movies back.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 09:55 AM (mpXpK)

124 114 I see that The Little Prince is on that list. I have picked that up and started it no less than a dozen times in my life, beginning about 40 years ago when I was in high school. I have never found it engaging enough to get more than a few pages in.

What am I missing? "

It's like playboy used to be - you don't go for the text, you go for the pictures.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 09:56 AM (V2Yro)

125 I suspect that a part of it is that they are constantly surrounded by vicious sycophants who want constantly flatter hoping for endorsement, recognition, or promotion for themselves that creates a self defense mechanism of nastiness.

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This tends to confirm the idea that, for anyone to rise to the top levels of their particular profession, they must have strong (but controllable) psychopathic tendencies in their personality.

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My post at 82 and Tom Servo's at 83 presents the classic the-chicken-or-the-egg controversy.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 09:56 AM (+y/Ru)

126 Screw it. I'm rewatching The Siege of Jadotville right now on Netflix. You guys have whetted by appetite.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 20, 2018 09:56 AM (+Tibp)

127 "And I would kill for the BT 3/2 manuals."

I may still have a copy in the attic.

I'll look the next time I'm up there.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 09:34 AM (EyPfd)

I have the HT 3&2 and HT 1&C. Also my original BMRs. Sorry, no BT's. Although in my last book I included a BT turned SEAL. Call sign Steamer.

Posted by: Oldsailors poet at May 20, 2018 09:56 AM (B/6hj)

128 Thank You OM for including "The Narrative" in this weeks Moron Recommendations. Oh yeah, It's really heavy handed, but also, entertaining.

Posted by: Oldsailors poet at May 20, 2018 09:57 AM (B/6hj)

129 Regarding Buffet, he's famous enough that he knows a
gazillion people like his music and would probably resent even an informed comment on his work when he's with his buds trying to enjoy a hockey game.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 20, 2018 09:46 AM (y7DUB)

I have plenty of informed comments on his work.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 20, 2018 09:52 AM (9Om/r)


Same here. And a couple plotter-printed graphs. Some peer-reviewed, cross-referenced papers with footnotes and citations.

Posted by: CSE majors everywhere at May 20, 2018 09:58 AM (y87Qq)

130 sock derp

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 09:58 AM (y87Qq)

131 I read The Open Range Men by Lauran Paine. This was the source material for the Keven Costner movie, Open Range.
A owner of a freegrazing cattle herd and his cowboys encounter a
violent and theiving ranch owner. The novel is a bit of a pot-boiler and
differs from the movie but I enjoyed it. Rating = 4/5.



Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 20, 2018 09:01 AM (5Yee7)



One of my favorite westerns.



Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 09:58 AM (mpXpK)

132 I don't think there's much more depth than that. It's just a cute little story about the loss of childish innocence."

And written by an adult who still remembered what it felt like to be innocent, just before he flew off to be killed in the war.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 09:59 AM (V2Yro)

133 OSP, I see you're working on the next Amy Lynn. Is she going to train the next generation?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:59 AM (qJtVm)

134 We're fortunate that a benevolent Ace allows the posting of shelf pictures.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 09:53 AM (MVjcR)


It's good that he did that. A real good thing!

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 10:00 AM (y87Qq)

135 I assume there are some Morons who speak Hebrew because some have lived in Israel or maybe still do. The reason I mention that is I read an essay by Cynthia Ozick who talked about the dearth of people who don't speak or understand it in the US, including herself,

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My 22 year old daughter whose boyfriend is an aspiring opera singer took her to a performance of Stabat Mater in Aramaic which, much to my surprise, she loved. She usually listens to the same music I listened to at her age.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 10:01 AM (+y/Ru)

136 Oh oh, also finished "Amy Lynn, Hatchet". Love this series and think it cries out to be made into movies.

Can't wait for the next one.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:52 AM (qJtVm)

Thank you, Just started number six tentatively titled Rock Star. No, Amy doesn't learn to shred on a strat, an Arianna Grande/Miley Cyrus type character decides to visit Mecca with a couple of young princes from the house of Saud. Hillarity does not ensue.

Posted by: Oldsailors poet at May 20, 2018 10:01 AM (B/6hj)

137 She usually listens to the same music I listened to at her age.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler

I was with my 23 year old last week and was surprised by his playlist. It could have been my playlist except for a dearth of Stones, Dwight Yoakum and Los Lobos.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 20, 2018 10:02 AM (+Tibp)

138 I've been a reader here for years (and mostly on weekdays, so I'm usually too late to comment on the book thread anyway), but never felt compelled to comment, but with Ace calling for plugs/links to works by readers as an alternative to mainstream garbage last week, I thought I'd give it a go.

Here's the back cover blurb for my apolitical, pulp-fantasy adventure, To Walk a Road of Ruin. It can be found at:
https://www.amazon.com/Walk-Road-Ruin-AJ-Vanorden/dp/1480076988

Saga, a vagabond gunfighter from Samarkand, and the rogue scholar
Richter have spent their lives in search of fortune and dodging the
consequences of their actions. When they accidentally unleash an ancient
evil while robbing the wrong tomb, the pair find themselves in more
trouble than they can handle. Alongside the aged thief Grail and the
reticent knight Ialae, whose ties to the Church may yet set the Saga and
Richter at each others throats, they must stay one step ahead of an
Inquisition that would see them all in chains and try save their world
from the undead horror their rival Kage now serves. Now they must find
it in themselves to leave the path of least resistance to walk a road of
ruin.

Posted by: Andrew VanOrden at May 20, 2018 10:03 AM (ARdZH)

139 OSP, I see you're working on the next Amy Lynn. Is she going to train the next generation?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:59 AM (qJtVm)

That book is a book or two away. I already have the character and the Title. That book will be called, Kia.

Posted by: Oldsailors poet at May 20, 2018 10:04 AM (B/6hj)

140 I have no idea how I came into possession of the book "Tuning The Rig" by Harvey Oxenhorn, but since it was about sailing, whales, and the Arctic, I figured I couldn't go wrong. A recent and unexpected interlude in hospital gave me the time to read the whole thing and I would recommend it to the Horde.
It is a multi-dimensional book and is a bit of a "coming of age" book (for an older individual that sets out to do something different), a discourse on sailing a barkentine laid down in 1908, tracking whale populations, ecological interaction and destruction, and the various interactions of a captain and crew.
One part that seemed to be a horde like scenario was when the author/crewman asked the captain for a personal favor, and after reflection, the captain said an unequivocal no. The author said that after dealing with so many sleazy lying weasels in academia and the publishing industry in his previous live, it was a actually refreshing to get a straight answer for a change.
I also appreciated his revelation of finally understanding the ship's engineer "She saw the world as a bunch of Tinker-toys and was always trying to figure out a better way to understand and rearragne them!"

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 10:07 AM (n9EOP)

141 Amy Lynn Into the Fire is on my next to read pile

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 20, 2018 10:07 AM (hMwEB)

142 I read The Open Range Men by Lauran Paine. This was the source material for the Keven Costner movie, Open Range....

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 20, 2018 09:01 AM (5Yee7)


One of my favorite westerns.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 09:58 AM (mpXpK)


I liked it quite a bit. I'd never read any of his novels before. I'm going to look for some other novels by him. It appears he has written quite a few Westerns; not my genre as a teenager, but I have been trying to expand my range of fiction reading now that I'm 29.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 20, 2018 10:07 AM (5Yee7)

143 >>>Posted by: Andrew VanOrden at May 20, 2018 10:03 AM (ARdZH)<<<
You've been sucked in and there is no escape.


Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2018 10:11 AM (J7XgW)

144 Good morning bookies.

Staying at my Mom's again. Woke up late, showered, started coffee, fetched the paper off the front porch, perused its contents whilst sipping my first cup. Got to the Opinions and Editorials - and, after reading that, felt like I needed a shower again. And not just because my hands felt like they'd been handling something nasty.

There's a regular letter-to-the-editor writer whose complaints read like our fake friend from Brattleboro except long-winded. I was going to take last week's and fisk it, but it was too exhausting to contemplate. tl:dr = Impeach fordy-fie.

Oh, yeah... books.

So the Parade supplement is about "Summer's Hot Books." Cover photo of... Mary Steenburgen, Hanoi Jane Fonda, Candice Bergen, and Diane Keaton. The article includes their childhood and current book faves, also those of Oprah, Emma, and Reese among others.

Because there's no better recommendations for literature than a gaggle of bubble-headed leftist twit actresses and a traitor.

"Harry Potter alum Emma Watson leads a monthly feminist book cub, Our Shared Shelf, which shines a light on books that deal with gender equality." Uh-huh. Unfiltered light, I'm sure.

* starts checking Mom's bookshelf for some Twain or O Henry or Shakespeare or anything from a previous century... *

Posted by: mindful webworker as if life just went on at May 20, 2018 10:13 AM (ECLlc)

145 Chuck Schumer Tells GOP To Beware: Pursuit Of FBI Informant's Identity Comes Close To Crossing Legal Line

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Thanks for straightening us out there, Chuckie

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 10:15 AM (+y/Ru)

146 * bemoans the lack of coloring books or connect-the-dots in Classic Western Literature *

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 10:17 AM (qE08n)

147 >>>Hence the dictum: never meet your heroes, you're bound to be disappointed.

Jeb is a disappointment in person.

Posted by: Bill Kristol at May 20, 2018 10:17 AM (/qEW2)

148 Quick question for the self-publishers: what platforms do you use OTHER than Create Space or Kindle Direct Publishing? We're looking for alternatives to CS and KDP because it's our understanding that CS isn't long for this world.

Posted by: Secret Square at May 20, 2018 10:18 AM (9WuX0)

149 I had to google CJ Box. I have never heard of him. Looks like the books could be worth a shot.
Posted by: Molly k.
His books are excellent !
Posted by: JT at May 20, 2018 09:25 AM (BvUjA)


I may have to revisit CJ Box, got one of his books a while back based on the Book Thread recommendation but just could not get into it since his name keeps coming up here!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 10:18 AM (n9EOP)

150 145 Chuck Schumer Tells GOP To Beware: Pursuit Of FBI Informant's Identity Comes Close To Crossing Legal Line

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Thanks for straightening us out there, Chuckie

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 10:15 AM (+y/Ru)


Oh THAT'S the red line? Not planting an informant in the opposition's campaign? Not getting a FISA warrant based on BS?

No, identifying the informant is the red line?!

You be crazy Chuckie.

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 10:18 AM (Enq6K)

151 145 Chuck Schumer Tells GOP To Beware: Pursuit Of FBI Informant's Identity Comes Close To Crossing Legal Line

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Thanks for straightening us out there, Chuckie
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 10:15 AM (+y/Ru)

private server
deleted emails
IRS harrassment
Bengahzi
DACA
Sanctuary Cities
IRAN payoff
145 mil to Crime Foundation

If anyone know what is legal it is not you!

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 10:18 AM (JFO2v)

152 Chuck U Schumer Not showing up at Embassy opening! Did you have the cramps?

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 10:20 AM (JFO2v)

153 Chuck Schumer Tells GOP To Beware: Pursuit Of FBI Informant's Identity Comes Close To Crossing Legal Line



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Thanks for straightening us out there, Chuckie

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 10:15 AM (+y/Ru)

You're too kind. The right response here is die with cancer in your cock chuck.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 20, 2018 10:20 AM (9Om/r)

154 My favorite Wolfe book is From Bauhaus to Our House. Best part was the chapter on Corbusier's housing project for "the Workers"; he demanded that the proles keep blinds fully open, half mast, or completely down to maintain the visual integrity of the modern monsterpiece.

I hired an interior designer (they HATE "decorator") for a consultation about 30 years ago and she said the same thing! She had the same advice for curtains.

Come to think of it, she had a favorite bromide about the wealthy moneyed families of Richmond and their 100-year-old draperies. "How do you think old money gets to be old? They don't spend anything." This made her bitter because she couldn't earn commissions on sales! Of course, she was a professor of interior design at the local university.

Posted by: SandyCheeks at May 20, 2018 10:20 AM (b4HRt)

155 >>Chuck Schumer Tells GOP To Beware: Pursuit Of FBI Informant's Identity Comes Close To Crossing Legal Line

Someone sounds scared.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2018 10:21 AM (/tuJf)

156 Can any book lacking pages that pop-up or little tabs you pull to make objects move really be considered "classic" ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 10:21 AM (qE08n)

157 155 >>Chuck Schumer Tells GOP To Beware: Pursuit Of FBI Informant's Identity Comes Close To Crossing Legal Line

Someone sounds scared.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2018 10:21 AM (/tuJf)

Chuck U why not host a couple of MS in your house?

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 10:22 AM (JFO2v)

158 156 Can any book lacking pages that pop-up or little tabs you pull to make objects move really be considered "classic" ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 10:21 AM (qE08n)

or can color

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 10:22 AM (JFO2v)

159 Can any book lacking pages that pop-up or little tabs you pull to make objects move really be considered "classic" ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 10:21 AM (qE08n)


Go Dog Go is a classic in my world. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 20, 2018 10:24 AM (9Om/r)

160 >>>"Harry Potter alum Emma Watson leads a monthly feminist book cub,
Our Shared Shelf, which shines a light on books that deal with gender
equality." Uh-huh. Unfiltered light, I'm sure.
<<<
Emma should be immediately extracted from the world of filth she chooses to live in and given about 16 children to care for, - one every nine months.
Emma, we really appreciate what you have to say and respect your opinion, but here's another child for you to birth.

Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2018 10:25 AM (J7XgW)

161 Speaking of sieges, I wish there was a book on the Siege of Montevideo during the Uruguay Civil War in the 1840s. The war drew in neighboring powers, and even Britain & France. It was also where Garibaldi's "Red Shirts" first saw action before moving on to Italy

Posted by: josephistan at May 20, 2018 10:25 AM (ANIFC)

162 Go Dog Go > Big Fish Little Fish

Posted by: goatexchange at May 20, 2018 10:25 AM (e7ZJU)

163 Go Dog Go is a classic in my world. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 20, 2018 10:24 AM (9Om/r)

My kids loved that book when they were little. Pretty sure I can recite the whole damn thing.

"Do you like my party hat?"

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 10:26 AM (Enq6K)

164 Little Black Sambo was a classic!

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 10:27 AM (JFO2v)

165 "...a monthly feminist book cub, Our Shared Shelf,"


Did they invite ace?

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 10:27 AM (Enq6K)

166 Go Dog Go > Big Fish Little Fish > Rainbow Fish

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 10:27 AM (+y/Ru)

167 Go Dog Go is a classic in my world. lol



Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 20, 2018 10:24 AM (9Om/r)



My kids loved that book when they were little. Pretty sure I can recite the whole damn thing.



"Do you like my party hat?"

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 10:26 AM (Enq6K)

Only at the end does he like the hat. lol
Seriously, that book taught me to read, and it had cars.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 20, 2018 10:28 AM (9Om/r)

168 On Netflix, '1898, Our Last Men in the Philippines' - another mostly-unknown siege action. Spanish troops trying to hold on against rebels. What *might* strike you is how utterly incompetent both sides were.

Posted by: goatexchange at May 20, 2018 10:28 AM (e7ZJU)

169 Secret Square @ #148, I have an account as a publisher at Lightning Source, Intl - which has established a print and distribution service geared towards indy writers at Ingram Spark. I've guided some writers into using Ingram Spark; the requirements there are very similar to LSI. For e-books, I like Draft 3 Digital, over Smashwords.

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at May 20, 2018 10:28 AM (xnmPy)

170 156 Can any book lacking pages that pop-up or little tabs you pull to make objects move really be considered "classic" ?
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 10:21 AM (qE08n)

or can color

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 10:22 AM (JFO2v)


I especially liked the updated Dickens "Tale of Two Cities Coloring Book (with the popup appendix)". The popup guillotine was really great!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 10:29 AM (n9EOP)

171 Go Dog Go is a classic in my world. lol


I don't remember it, though the cover art looks familiar.

What took me back was that I'd totally forgotten the imprint: "I can read it all by myself".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 10:29 AM (fuK7c)

172 Very nice library Jake!

About halfway through Noble House by James Clavell and am reminded about how good of a writer he is, but that he needed a better editor.

Picked up a book called The Cleaner by Paul Cleave, a mystery that won a few awards a few years back in New Zealand. It was an OK book and was set in Christchurch (but really could have been set anywhere, the setting was not much of a character). It is about a janitor for the police force who also murders people (hence the name of the book). I am not opposed to bad guys being the book's narrator, but am wondering what I am missing of how this won an award.

Posted by: Charlotte at May 20, 2018 10:30 AM (vDuQz)

173 Go Dog Go is a classic in my world. lol





I don't remember it, though the cover art looks familiar.



What took me back was that I'd totally forgotten the imprint: "I can read it all by myself".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 10:29 AM (fuK7c)

The book is still in print. I saw one a few years ago when the wife bought a small pile of books for a friend's kid. I saw it in the pile and freaked. I will have a copy. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 20, 2018 10:31 AM (9Om/r)

174 Mentioning ERB brings back memories of my youth when I read the entire "Doc Savage" series and then "The Avenger." From there, "The Shadow."

That ERB was read goes without saying.

Clear delineation between good and evil and evil got killed in the end while manly men did manly deeds.

A buddy of mine and I thought nothing of spending part of an afternoon reading then grabbing the rifles and heading out to shoot ground squirrels.


Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at May 20, 2018 10:32 AM (WEBkv)

175 I especially liked the updated Dickens "Tale of Two Cities Coloring Book (with the popup appendix)". The popup guillotine was really great!
Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 10:29 AM (n9EOP)

My Highway of Death, Desert Storm coloring book took about every RED crayon in the classroom to finish.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 10:32 AM (JFO2v)

176 Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 09:05 AM (qJtVm)

The only copy I can find for Kindle is now $6.50. Am I just not looking hard enough?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 20, 2018 10:33 AM (rp9xB)

177 Getting back into Jack Reacher. I skipped back and read A Wanted Man, which was a quite pleasant read. Then I jumped forward and read The Midnight Line. People on good reads were complaining that Lee Child is getting burned out and the writing is suffering. I don't think that's true. He doesn't write action as compellingly as he once did. But the slow careful moments are as good as ever. Jack Reacher is a very thoughtful and deliberate character, even if he doesn't come across that way. It's the quiet moments that really shine in these books. A quiet meal in a small town diner.

Posted by: Max Power at May 20, 2018 10:33 AM (QCc6B)

178 I wanna' do a pop-up history book on Vietnam ... for the children.

Pull a tap - and the gooks slide over into the wire.

Lift a flap - claymore kills 'em all

Turn the page - pop up of the squad's favorie whore house back in Saigon

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 10:33 AM (qE08n)

179 Pull a tap - and the gooks slide over into the wire.
Page Title: Charlie in the Wire

Lift a flap - claymore kills 'em all
Page Title: Pink Mist

Turn the page - pop up of the squad's favorie whore house back in Saigon
Love You Long Time Joe
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 10:33 AM (qE08n)

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 10:36 AM (JFO2v)

180 The only copy I can find for Kindle is now $6.50. Am I just not looking hard enough?
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 20, 2018 10:33 AM (rp9xB)
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Try this link:

https://tinyurl.com/yck2my28

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 10:41 AM (qJtVm)

181 BTW, this is why all great art is developed when there it has some limits. I'm not talking overbearing censorship. I mean some sort of moral restrictions that force artists to get inventive. Otherwise you have what you see now which is simply who can shock and offend the most. This is why some of Hollywood's best movies came out during the Hayes code period.
Posted by: WOPR - Nationalist at May 20, 2018 09:23 AM (J70i0)



I watched a movie recently, which I won't name. Suffice it to say, it was violent, and the story was grippingly told, even though most of it wasn't terribly original.

The trick, if there was one, was having a hero who was unexpected, and that watching that hero deal with the situations, seeing it from that person's eyes, it was refreshing.

So then... we come to the end of the movie, and there is literally a plot point that is hanging there. If you're watching the movie, you know what it is, and I'm wondering how they are going to resolve it. I guess the filmmakers chickened out at the last minute, or they decided what they needed to do... was have our hero not make it. In the end.

For me, that is the WORST thing about modern movies. The hero spends 90 minutes (or more) dealing with all sorts of things that no one should have to do, and filmmaker think their brilliant twist is to have that person NOT survive, not be rewarded for the struggle. And that to me, is the moral failing of modern movies. It's such an insidious message, and it gets absorbed by audiences, over and over and over again. All those movies before, that would reward the hero in the end, those are considered quaint. Because no, let's not have any of it mean anything.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 10:41 AM (cY3LT)

182 Semi-engaged Scroller: Tuesday at 8 pm on PBS: The Great American Read-------100 best-loved [American] books.
http://www.pbs.org/the-great-american-read/books/#/


Surprised to find I had read between a dozen and fifteen (quick scan) of those books! I guess I used to read some.

Posted by: mindful webworker after the incident at May 20, 2018 10:42 AM (ECLlc)

183 Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 10:33 AM (qE08n)

I want to see the page where you pull the tab and Kerry throws his medals across the White House fence!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 10:44 AM (n9EOP)

184 Bloody Royals.

Do they realize now that they have been infiltrated by some common Americaner who will bring down the monarchy like Fat Elvis with a plate of biscuits and gravy? I'm all shook up!

Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2018 10:44 AM (J7XgW)

185 Oh, and that interior designer was a Richmond, VA, native, just like the "Bonfire" author.

But, anyhoo, since I'm finally present for an actual book thread, I'll contribute book recs. I recently finished "Love Does" by Bob Goff in preparation for his current bestseller, "Everybody, Always."

Highly, highly recommended. He begins Love Does with the story of how he intended to be a high-school dropout who spends his life rock climbing out West and working menial jobs to have food. A guy just a few years older (and wiser) went with him at the last minute when Goff dropped by his house to say goodbye.

Naturally, reality struck and no one at Yosemite was hiring (this was in the early '80s) and Bob had next to no money to even buy food while he searched for work (interspersed with rock climbing). Luckily, he had the friend who never judged but was encouraging, saying things like, "If anyone could do this, it would be you."

The friend's attitude of "being there for people" instead of just talking about it, resonated with Goff, who became a Christian, a lawyer (even though his business cards say "helper") and a man with an "office" at Disneyland's Tom Sawyer Island. It's free! He meets all his appointments there.

It's a slim little book and well worth your time.

What stuck with me was Goff's way of looking at Christianity, esp. Bible study. He said as soon as he left one, he had forgotten everything, which made him question the usefulness of group study as opposed to reading on his own.

He theorized that if our goal is to follow Jesus, we shouldn't just talk about him, we should DO what he did -- be there for each other. I'm paraphrasing Goff when he wrote, "I love and adore my kids, but I don't study books about them; I spend time WITH them, doing things they like to do."

Posted by: SandyCheeks at May 20, 2018 10:45 AM (b4HRt)

186 I want to see the page where you pull the tab and Kerry throws his medals across the White House fence!

*cough*

Not his own medals.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 10:45 AM (fuK7c)

187 PBS: The Great American Read-------100 best-loved [American] books.

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I see that the list includes that immortal classic 50 Shades of Grey.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 10:47 AM (+y/Ru)

188 Pertaining to nothing ...

... Hannah Storm. Almost 56. Still a One.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 10:48 AM (qE08n)

189 Do they realize now that they have been infiltrated by some common Americaner who will bring down the monarchy like Fat Elvis with a plate of biscuits and gravy? I'm all shook up!

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Britain starting to overtake USA in obesity rate...

Go Britain!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2018 10:48 AM (+y/Ru)

190 Go Dog Go is a classic in my world. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 20, 2018 10:24 AM (9Om/r)

My kids loved that book when they were little. Pretty sure I can recite the whole damn thing.

"Do you like my party hat?"

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 10:26 AM (Enq6K)

Only at the end does he like the hat. lol
Seriously, that book taught me to read, and it had cars.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at May 20, 2018 10:28 AM (9Om/r)


Yes, one of the books that taught my daughter to read. And it taught me, women are needy, so if you want to snag one, you have to compliment her on her style... but not right away!

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 10:50 AM (cY3LT)

191 I get books as presents and then never get around to reading them.

But I just read The Wright Brothers by David McCullough while on a plane and liked it. Learned stuff I didn't know. The Brothers were methodical and took years to first learn how to fly gliders as if they were birds, before they slapped a motor in. They were huge hits in France, before they were in the US, despite the French bewilderment with two odd fellows who didn't drink, norfolk.

Not enough credit to aluminum becoming commonplace, instead of more costly than gold, which was critical to solving the problem of lift.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 10:51 AM (pV/54)

192 Posted by: Max Power at May 20, 2018 10:33 AM (QCc6B)

My cut on Lee Child is that some Jack Reacher books are indeed better than others, but the "worst" of them is still pretty darn good.

I also liked "No Middle Name: The Complete Collected Jack Reacher Short Stories".

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 10:52 AM (n9EOP)

193 I'm reading Winning Bigly by Scott Adams. Very good! And then I'm starting on Sowells' A Conflict of Visions. Getting to the heart of the matters!

Posted by: PJ at May 20, 2018 10:52 AM (qlTN9)

194 I want to see the page where you pull the tab and Kerry throws his medals across the White House fence!

*cough*

Not his own medals.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 10:45 AM (fuK7c)


My bad!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 10:54 AM (n9EOP)

195 All daleks are armed. And they have zero shooting sprees amongst themselves, and no one wants to attack them. I think they have a wise policy.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 10:54 AM (/qEW2)

196 The best advice I've ever heard concerning the gap between authors and their writings is, "Trust the tale, not the teller." Which is why I still listen to Bill Cosby's comedy albums and to Richard Wagner's music, and read books by Hemingway and Fitzgerald and other people whom I would never want to associate with in everyday life: because it's the tale that matters, not the teller.
There's an old heresy in Catholicism called "Donatism", which asserts that the sacraments are legitimate only if performed a virtuous priest. It's easy to see how destructive this is to church life: after all, who among is is virtuous enough to celebrate the Mass? Worse, once personal virtue becomes the measurement of one's worth, it's easy to fall into the temptation to "out-virtue" one's opponents - and that quickly degenerates into a heretic hunt. France's Reign of Terror, the Salem witch trials, and China's Cultural Revolution are classic examples; and we're seeing this in Left circles today. No, an author's personal life has nothing to do with the quality of his work.

As for books this week, I'm reading "Moby Dick". It's the first time I've cracked its cover in over 50 years - I had to read it in high school, and haven't touched it since. It's a slow read, what with Melville's convoluted prose and his innumerable digressions; but it richly rewards a patient reader.

Posted by: Brown Line at May 20, 2018 10:55 AM (S6ArX)

197 138 I've been a reader here for years (and mostly on weekdays, so I'm usually too late to comment on the book thread anyway), but never felt compelled to comment, but with Ace calling for plugs/links to works by readers as an alternative to mainstream garbage last week, I thought I'd give it a go.

Posted by: Andrew VanOrden at May 20, 2018 10:03 AM (ARdZH)


Thank you for delurking, I will re-mention your book in next Sunday's thread.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at May 20, 2018 10:55 AM (jlKn3)

198 OregonMuse can make you, and he can break you.

Never forget that!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 10:56 AM (qJtVm)

199 There's an old heresy in Catholicism called "Donatism", which asserts that the sacraments are legitimate only if performed by a virtuous priest.
...
Posted by: Brown Line at May 20, 2018 10:55 AM (S6ArX)


But what an appealing heresy.

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 10:58 AM (n9EOP)

200 In ScoggDog's Vietnam War for Kids ... there's a marvelous picture of a fighter-jet on page 5. Pull the tab and it crashes.

Page 6 shows a beautiful caged songbird. Lift the flap ... and its John McCain !!!

All the kids love it !!!

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 10:59 AM (FxM6p)

201
There's an old heresy in Catholicism called "Donatism"

Mmmmmmmmm, donutism!

Posted by: Homer Simpson at May 20, 2018 10:59 AM (IqV8l)

202 'Morning everybody. In the midst of a pretty good take on the Apollo 8 mission. It's Rocket Men by Robert Kurson. I think I've read almost everything ever written about the "golden years" of our space program but somehow this one escaped me. For me it's mostly a rehash of things I already knew but for whatever reason, I can never quite get enough of the accounts of our once-bold forays into the unknown. Space...the final frontier.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 20, 2018 10:59 AM (Tyii7)

203 Hop on Pop is a classic. Taught both chillrens to read.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 20, 2018 11:00 AM (89T5c)

204 As for books this week, I'm reading "Moby Dick". It's the first time I've cracked its cover in over 50 years - I had to read it in high school, and haven't touched it since. It's a slow read, what with Melville's convoluted prose and his innumerable digressions; but it richly rewards a patient reader.

I like "trust the tale, not the teller". It's a nice synopsis of what I usually try to say as separate the work from the artist or somesuch.

I love Moby Dick, especially the digressions. My favorite is where he calls a whale a fish. 'I know it's warm blooded, I know it breathes air, I know it gives birth to live young whom it nurses. But it lives its life swimming in the ocean so goddammit it's a fish'.

Roughly paraphrased.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 11:01 AM (fuK7c)

205 Posted by: Captain Hate at May 20, 2018 09:30 AM (y7DUB)

You'd love listening to Rabbi Daniel Lapin. Look up his YouTube videos talking about the Tower of Babel. Absolutely mind blowing. He tells the story and the significance of the words and the "stones vs bricks" and mortar in the Hebrew translations. These two videos are from Glenn Beck's days at FOX.

Posted by: SandyCheeks at May 20, 2018 11:01 AM (b4HRt)

206 "In the midst of a pretty good take on the Apollo 8 mission. It's Rocket Men by Robert Kurson. "

Apollo 8 was a bigger advance than Apollo 11, IMHO.

Travel into space to another celestial body and a safe return. The first Earthrise seen by Man, and a Christmas reading from Genesis. And a hopeful coda to end 1968, one of the worst years in our history.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 11:04 AM (pV/54)

207 Travel into space to another celestial body and a safe return. The first Earthrise seen by Man, and a Christmas reading from Genesis. And a hopeful coda to end 1968, one of the worst years in our history.


That.

The fact that it was Christmas made it seem Providential.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 11:06 AM (fuK7c)

208 Mentioning ERB brings back memories of my youth ...

Clear delineation between good and evil and evil got killed in the end while manly men did manly deeds.

Posted by: Blake - used bridge salesman at May 20, 2018 10:32 AM (WEBkv)


I also read all of the ERB books. Generally formulaic, but fun. Mentioning Tarzan reminds of one of the stories in which he discovers a lost city of Crusaders deep inside Darkest Africa. As a kid, I was thinking, "Hey, that's cool. Black descendants of Crusaders." As an adult, I'm thinking ERB glossed-over the whole schtupping of nubile native wenches thing. That must have pretty daring when he wrote that novel; fast-forward to 2018 and we don't really give a negative reaction to interracial couples (except for the SJW and Lefties that just use race to divide and conquer) here in the U.S.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 20, 2018 11:06 AM (5Yee7)

209 But I just read The Wright Brothers by David McCullough while on a plane and liked it. Learned stuff I didn't know. The Brothers were methodical and took years to first learn how to fly gliders as if they were birds, before they slapped a motor in. They were huge hits in France, before they were in the US, despite the French bewilderment with two odd fellows who didn't drink, norfolk.

Not enough credit to aluminum becoming commonplace, instead of more costly than gold, which was critical to solving the problem of lift.
Posted by: Ignoramus

I grew up in Dayton, and my Grandmother actually knew the Wright Brothers pretty well (for being a little girl in the early part of the 20th century).
They have a recreation of the Bicycle shop in a local park (the original ended up in Greenfield Village in Dearborn, MI), and yes, you can learn all about how methodical they were.

This book was written by a local writer (Dayton), and I think you would like it if you want to learn more. You can get it on Amazon.
I sometimes find McCullough ponderous.

https://tinyurl.com/y9cl9zka

"12 Seconds to the Moon", by the late Roz Young, who was a feature writer for the Dayton Daily News for years (my Mother knew her too).

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at May 20, 2018 11:07 AM (S6Pax)

210 The best advice I've ever heard concerning the gap between authors and their writings is, "Trust the tale, not the teller." Which is why I still listen to Bill Cosby's comedy albums and to Richard Wagner's music, and read books by Hemingway and Fitzgerald and other people whom I would never want to associate with in everyday life: because it's the tale that matters, not the teller.
There's an old heresy in Catholicism called "Donatism", which asserts that the sacraments are legitimate only if performed a virtuous priest. It's easy to see how destructive this is to church life: after all, who among is is virtuous enough to celebrate the Mass? Worse, once personal virtue becomes the measurement of one's worth, it's easy to fall into the temptation to "out-virtue" one's opponents - and that quickly degenerates into a heretic hunt. France's Reign of Terror, the Salem witch trials, and China's Cultural Revolution are classic examples; and we're seeing this in Left circles today. No, an author's personal life has nothing to do with the quality of his work.

As for books this week, I'm reading "Moby Dick". It's the first time I've cracked its cover in over 50 years - I had to read it in high school, and haven't touched it since. It's a slow read, what with Melville's convoluted prose and his innumerable digressions; but it richly rewards a patient reader.

Posted by: Brown Line at May 20, 2018 10:55 AM (S6ArX)


I would argue, there is enough beauty in this world, that it ought to be possible to draw one's lines around the artists whose sins one will tolerate, and those you won't.

Wagner for example, I could see how someone might choose to appreciate his music, while others will decide their lives are just fine without him, because he crosses a line for them.

And at some point, like it or not, but the ugliness of the person does seep into their output. Sometimes it takes a while, but eventually it does. It causes all sorts of distortion to come to their work, and once you see it, you cannot unsee it.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:07 AM (cY3LT)

211 "trust the tale, not the teller".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 11:01 AM (fuK7c)

Are you talking about me?

Posted by: Ernest Hemingway at May 20, 2018 11:08 AM (wYseH)

212 Apollo 8 was a bigger advance than Apollo 11, IMHO.

Apollo 13 was pretty impressive too. In terms of ad hoc solutions to an impossible problem.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 20, 2018 11:08 AM (6FqZa)

213 There is no better description of Al Sharpton and the shake-down culture of 1980's New York than Tom Wolfe's "Bonfire of the Vanities". I can remember reading it at the time and thinking - you're not supposed to say that out loud (I was young(er) and dumb(er) and had internalized a bit of PC self-censorship). Between this book and The American Spectator I realized it was OK to say out loud the incorrect things I was thinking. Then I saw the Spectator publish a column by Brit Hume, who was the ABC White House correspondent, and really realized it was possible to be an intellectual and not be of-the-Left.

Posted by: motionview at May 20, 2018 11:08 AM (pYQR/)

214 Read John Dies at the End, This Book is Full of Spiders and What the Hell Did I Just Read, a series by David Wong.

Very funny, unique and scary monster story that had more laugh out loud moments for me than any series I can remember.

I am hoping that there will be another in the series because the third book ended abruptly, in my opinion.

The author has another book called Futuristic Violence and Fancy Suits that I have just started. Not as funny as his JDatE but it is interesting and well-written.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 20, 2018 11:10 AM (+BKF+)

215 The fact that it was Christmas made it seem Providential.
Posted by: Bandersnatch

I spent four days sleeping on the couch and watching it on TV around the clock. It was one of the fondest memories I have of my youth. I had just turned 13 that week.
It was almost magical that Apollo 8 circled the Moon on Christmas Eve.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at May 20, 2018 11:11 AM (S6Pax)

216 Looks like Morison's Naval History series down in the left corner. My spines aren't quite so readable. I'm at Volume 14.

Posted by: Still John at May 20, 2018 11:11 AM (odQdP)

217 "Mmm. Bacony!"

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 20, 2018 11:12 AM (6FqZa)

218 One of the best books of the Apollo missions is 'For All Mankind' by Harry Hurt III.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 11:13 AM (9UFns)

219 Sharkman, agree. I actually guffawed out loud. But there is an undercurrent of sadness too, as the trio struggles with real life issues in their decaying rust belt town.

The Loser as Hero.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 11:13 AM (qJtVm)

220 Apollo 8 was a bigger advance than Apollo 11, IMHO.

Agreed. So many unknowns and risks. The odds that the mission would succeed were initially calculated at something like 56%. Yikes.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 20, 2018 11:13 AM (Tyii7)

221 "I grew up in Dayton, and my Grandmother actually knew the Wright Brothers pretty well "

That was another reveal in the book. Dayton, not Kitty Hawk, was the true birthplace of aviation.

The Brothers searched for a place with strong prevailing winds, high bluffs to launch from, and soft sand to crash on and picked remote Kitty Hawk. The first flights there were more short wind-aided glides than machine-driven flight.

The Brothers packed up what they knew and perfected true aviation back in the Dayton area where they were soon flying for over an hour (until the gas ran out).

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 11:13 AM (pV/54)

222 In ScoggDog's Vietnam War for Kids ... there's a marvelous picture of a fighter-jet on page 5. Pull the tab and it crashes.

Page 6 shows a beautiful caged songbird. Lift the flap ... and its John McCain !!!

All the kids love it !!!
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 10:59 AM (FxM6p)


David Foster Wallace wrote a piece on McCain, for the 2000 Presidential campaign. I'm reading it now, in his book, a collection of essays called "Consider the Lobster."

The way Wallace tells it, McCain's experience was much more horrific than I had previously imagined, and his actions much more heroic. The problem is, I don't believe the story. Not yet. I will have to finish this piece, then go find how and if it was hyperbolized by his campaign, and scooped up by a naive reporter.

Wallace, by the way, is a wonderful writer. Or I should say, he was. I picked up this book on the recommendation of somebody (not here), even though Wallace killed himself some years after it was published.

Which is another interesting question: How can one interpret the truth of someone's writing, when you know eventually he decides to chuck it all, and check out early?

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:14 AM (cY3LT)

223 I was with my 23 year old last week and was surprised by his playlist. It could have been my playlist except for a dearth of Stones, Dwight Yoakum and Los Lobos.
Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 20, 2018 10:02 AM (+Tibp)


Youngest Muse boy (age 26) is a big Led Zeppelin fan. I told him "Son, you do realize that this is the music your dad listened to in college, right?" But that didn't seem to bother him.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at May 20, 2018 11:14 AM (jlKn3)

224 I did finish The Narrative by Deplora Boule. It was a funny take on the world of media - worth checking out. Also this week, I read Peter Grant's excellent military science fiction tale, Stones of Silence, and Mike Cernovich's self-help masterpiece, Gorilla Mindset. I recommend both.

Posted by: Hans G. Schantz at May 20, 2018 11:15 AM (1pQvR)

225 I went to the Amazon link for "The Narrative" and discovered the author's page but there is no picture of the author.

Surely a picture of Hillary would be a suitable placeholder.

Posted by: Off the reservation at May 20, 2018 11:16 AM (vWMNq)

226 And they have zero shooting sprees amongst themselves,

They have several wars among themselves and revolutions for and against Davros.

Posted by: DaveA at May 20, 2018 11:16 AM (FhXTo)

227 That was another reveal in the book. Dayton, not Kitty Hawk, was the true birthplace of aviation.

....

The Brothers packed up what they knew and perfected true aviation back in the Dayton area where they were soon flying for over an hour (until the gas ran out).
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 11:13 AM (pV/54)


Didn't that area later become Wright Field? Now we have Wright-Patterson AFB: they still fly aircraft here but WPAFB is more of a technological development and test base than serving as a base for aircraft operations.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 20, 2018 11:18 AM (5Yee7)

228 I spent four days sleeping on the couch and watching it on TV around the clock. It was one of the fondest memories I have of my youth. I had just turned 13 that week.
It was almost magical that Apollo 8 circled the Moon on Christmas Eve.



I was eight almost nine. It was totally magical. Christmas, the Bible, and we saw the Earth rise for the first time.

We had gone from things before I could remember: we sent a man up and down in space, we sent a man up and all the way around and down in space;

to things I could remember: we sent two men up in space, we sent two men up and let one of them walk around in space;

to we blew up three guys in practice, that was sad;

to we sent three guys up in space and practiced docking with a thing that could land on the moon; then to going around the moon;

then to landing on the freaking moon; then to bringing golf carts to the freaking moon.

I thought I was growing up in an era of infinite progress and then we got bored and started sending up mass transit vehicles to low earth orbit.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 11:19 AM (fuK7c)

229 "What surprised me the most was that many of the people that were teaching about one form of relationship improvement or another were the worst offenders. "


This paradox in its many variations is wonderfully shot through the works of Walker Percy, both in his fiction, and his non-fiction look at the impossible fix of mankind, "Lost in the Cosmos." I would point especially to his novel "The Last Gentleman" (the forgotten great American bildungsroman written after his National Book Award winning "The Moviegoer) in which the suicidal Dr. Sutter Vaught describes himself as "the last sincere American -- overtly lewd and covertly cheerful," contrasting himself with the leftist intellectuals of Cambridge and Berkeley who pretend to be interested in women as people but are really only sniffing around their crotches like dogs.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 11:20 AM (H8QX8)

230 " There is no better description of Al Sharpton and the shake-down culture of 1980's New York than Tom Wolfe's "Bonfire of the Vanities". "

If you parse the timeline, Wolfe invented the Reverend Bacon before Sharpton's rise. The book started years before as a Dickens-like serialization in Rolling Stone. Life copies art.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 11:21 AM (pV/54)

231 Belated greetings! My dishwasher had a malfunction just after I saw the thread go up. Hopefully technical advice will arrive shortly.
My reading this past week was "Children of Hurin," by Tolkien. I read it when it first came out and sort of shrugged it off because I knew the story and had picked through the fragments in the other Middle Earth books published by Christopher T.
However, this second reading is really opening me up to how incredibly dark it is. In fact, a lot of the detailed work on Beleriand is downright bleak. We know it was written during the Great War when Tolkien's friends were getting killed and the war itself seemed to be without hope. (Remember, the Allies were basically losing until they won.)
Some might say the Valar coming out of the West is a metaphor for the Americans saving everyone's bacon, but at the very least Tolkien's writing carries a sense of doom and foreboding completely absent in Lord of the Rings. The Edain and Eldar fight because they must, but what hope is there? They're fighting a demi-god with demons and dragons. For a while it looked like they could pull it off, but by the time this book starts, everything is turning to crap. If the Brogallach was the Somme, the Nirnaeth was Passchendale - slaughter and disaster without any glory at all.
My other project is regaining some of my German reading ability, so I've decided the best (and easiest) was to do it is read a book in German. Took me almost an hour to translate the back blurb, but I'm sure things will speed up.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at May 20, 2018 11:21 AM (cfSRQ)

232 Good morning Horde of the Literati.

So yesterday picked up at the Trail of Honor a biography of Lt. Col Richard 'Dick' Cole, last Doolittle Raider, Hump pilot, and an Air Commando. Hardcover and signed by the 102 year old gentleman himself. Title is Dick Cole's War by Dennis R. Okerstrom. University of Missouri Press. 2015.

And I was reading chapter 1 I had to stop myself from chucking the book because the author had to interject things. Writing about Dayton has to mention the town gave birth to one of the first recognized African American poets named Dunbar. Then a page later Dunbar is mentioned again in passing because the Dayton paper carried a mention of a Colored Baby contest being cancelled. Followed by the author later saying Dayton was like every other place in the US racist.

On page 40 we get to a doozy of a paragraph which starts with - From the attack on Pearl Harbor until the end of the war, Americans engaged in an unremitting campaign of racism directed against the Japanese.. Then he talks about how cartoons and art depict the Japs with buck teeth and thick glasses or as snakes and spiders. Someone has bought into the HBO series on the Pacific War narrative. Depicting the Japanese that way pre-dates Pearl Harbor and ignores the contemporaneous caricature depictions of Nazis and Fascists. Not content with calling the US racist in treatment of the Japanese Okestrom trots out the internment of Japanese-Americans while failing to mention Canada did the same thing or what Wilson did in the Great War.

If these areas were excised from the book, no one would notice and the book would still be an excellent account. Gotten through Part One which is Cole's early life, cadet training, assignment to the 17th Bombardment Group (Medium), training, and the Doolittle Raid. Next part is how Cole was one of the early pilots to fly supplies from India to Kunming while flying over the most hazardous piece of real estate ever - the Hump.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 20, 2018 11:22 AM (MMrzc)

233 If you parse the timeline, Wolfe invented the Reverend Bacon before Sharpton's rise. The book started years before as a Dickens-like serialization in Rolling Stone. Life copies art.


Explain the parsing, please. I lived in Manhattan when Bonfires came out and the Rev. Bacon was immediately recognizable as Sharpton.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 11:22 AM (fuK7c)

234 Speaking of sieges, I wish there was a book on the
Siege of Montevideo during the Uruguay Civil War in the 1840s. The war
drew in neighboring powers, and even Britain France. It was also
where Garibaldi's "Red Shirts" first saw action before moving on to
Italy

Posted by: josephistan at May 20, 2018 10:25 AM (ANIFC)

Alexandre Dumas wrote an historical fiction called The New Troy which is about Montevideo and from what I can glean focuses on the siege of Montevideo.
Dumas also wrote Memoirs of Garibaldi, and a book on Garibaldi in Sicily and Naples called On Board the Emma, if you want to be complete
The majority of the versions I can find are in French, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese . . . which is frustrating.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 11:23 AM (2K6fY)

235 Wolfe invented the Reverend Bacon before Sharpton's rise.

I did not realize that, thanks. Perhaps Big Al read Bonfire as a how-to manual, as the Left is currently doing with 1984.

Posted by: motionview at May 20, 2018 11:24 AM (pYQR/)

236 Akron was the center of American zeppelin, uh, airship construction too:

https://slaterzurz.com/history-blimps-akron-ohio/

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 11:25 AM (qJtVm)

237 I like Jake's library. Props for the kukri too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 11:25 AM (xJa6I)

238 Anyone know an interesting book on Chinee history? Keep in mind I'm ADHD and ya know, other mental stuff.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 11:26 AM (aljs9)

239
197 Thank you for delurking, I will re-mention your book in next Sunday's thread.


Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at May 20, 2018 10:55 AM (jlKn3)
Awesome - I certainly didn't expect that, so thank you so much.

Posted by: Andrew VanOrden at May 20, 2018 11:27 AM (ARdZH)

240 Some might say the Valar coming out of the West is a metaphor for the Americans saving everyone's bacon,

There's a lot of that in Tolkien.

An even closer American analogy is Numenor, when Ar-Pharazon jumped in to save Middle Earth from Sauron (he already had the Ring at the time, but looked prettier then). Ar-Pharazon then recruited Sauron as his closest advisor.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 20, 2018 11:31 AM (6FqZa)

241
Is there a name for the skeletomuscular disorder of the neck caused by holding the head sideways to read titles on book spines?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 11:31 AM (dFHx2)

242 Whoosh. I just had a zeppelin post disappear.

Time for lunch, I guess.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 11:31 AM (fuK7c)

243 Bonfire started in Rolling Stone in 1984, which predated Sharpton being a public figure known to whites in Manhattan. He wasn't the first black shakedown artist. Jesse Jackson spawned a lot of wannabees.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 11:32 AM (pV/54)

244 " Whoosh. I just had a zeppelin post disappear. "

Oh the humanity!

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 20, 2018 11:32 AM (6FqZa)

245 Akron was the center of American zeppelin, uh, airship construction too:
https://slaterzurz.com/history-blimps-akron-ohio/
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 11:25 AM (qJtVm)

Yup....The USS Akron was an airship aircraft carrier.

Video of it is somewhere on the Interwebs...tiny fighters it carried.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 11:33 AM (EoRCO)

246 Keep in mind I'm ADHD and ya know, other mental stuff.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 11:26 AM (aljs9)


Kuru?

Asking for a quickie primer on the history of China is kind of like asking for a wee sip of the firehose. Any particular eras or subjects that interest you?

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 11:33 AM (y87Qq)

247 In the documentary "The Last Man on the Moon" with Eugene 'Gene' Cernan (who was my favorite astronaut) there's a lot of neat stuff about the space program. Cernan said NASA was so fearful that he and his Apollo 10 crew would try to land on the moon, they came within about 10 miles, that they didn't give them enough fuel to land and take off. If they had Cernan might have tried it.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 11:33 AM (9UFns)

248 If you are an escaped oaf, what does that say about those pursuing you?

Posted by: Diogenes at May 20, 2018 11:34 AM (0tfLf)

249 During my travels in my AO I found "Siege at Jadotville".

They made a movie about it but I am going to read the book first.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy


The movie is well worth a watch.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 20, 2018 11:34 AM (+BKF+)

250
Rating on Jake's library: super-excellent.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 11:34 AM (dFHx2)

251
Yup....The USS Akron was an airship aircraft carrier.

Video of it is somewhere on the Interwebs...tiny fighters it carried.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy


Midget wrestlers?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2018 11:34 AM (IqV8l)

252 ...
Some might say the Valar coming out of the West is a metaphor for the Americans saving everyone's bacon, but at the very least Tolkien's writing carries a sense of doom and foreboding completely absent in Lord of the Rings.

...
Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at May 20, 2018 11:21 AM (cfSRQ)


I mentioned this the other day, Tolkien was famous for saying how much he despised allegory. And yet it's all over his work! Perhaps not intentionally, but it's kinda sad and funny how he was so adamantly opposed to the concept.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:35 AM (cY3LT)

253 I read 'A Man of Destiny' by local moron A. H. Lloyd.

It does have it's Star Wars prequel heritage, all right. But it also reminded me of Jeffrey Archer's 'First Among Equals'. Lots of Parliamentary politics. I happen to like that, so it worked for me.

The prose is simple with only a few typographical errors, about the same proportion as traditionally published books (like the latest Nero Wolfe novel I read, it had about the same number of typos in it). American English spelling but it feels very English rather than American.

The protagonist is the Palpatine stand-in, Darius Maxim. Honestly, I have a hard time seeing him as the 'bad guy', at least in this first book. The Commonwealth is incompetent and supine. He certainly doesn't have any George Lucas obvious evil tags.

Adam Flyte may be the Vader stand in, but feels more like a young Han Solo. The Jedi stand ins, the Ordos Militaris*, feel a bit like the Bene Gesserit of Dune, without the breeding program thankfully.

If you want a re-telling of the Star Wars Prequels with a Brit flavour, I recommend it. It's certainly better than any of a number of self-published novels I've read.

*Ironically, I wrote a short story of that same name. I need to re-submit that to some more markets.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 11:35 AM (xJa6I)

254 The Nobel Prizes for Peace and Literature have become a political plum. Only the right thinkers will win. I'm still waiting for the first black to be awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for his theory that "Fizziks be racisss.

What is a "spiritual leader", by the way? Is it some new ager with a multi-million dollar Swiss Bank Account that leads his flock to "look within". Or is it a Eastern guru with a multi-million dollar Swiss Bank Account that exhorts his followers to "become one with the Universe". Or is it a Christian pastor with a multi-million dollar Swiss Bank Account that looks like he's on crack in the pulpit, begging his sheep to "come to Jesus"? Or is it a Muslim Imam with a multi-million dollar Swiss Bank Account that promises the believers they will have 72 virgins in heaven if they just blow themselves up for Mohammed? Or is it a humanist or atheist with a multi-million dollar Swiss Bank Account that just wants everyone to "be cool"? Or all of the above? I'm just asking for a friend.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 20, 2018 11:36 AM (9BLnV)

255 Notorious BFD

I hear you. I read a book on the manufacturer of the Saturn V 2nd stage!

I still think Carrying the Fire: An Astronaut's Journeys by Michael Collins is the best of many books on the era.

The Last Man On the Moon by Eugene Cernan and Don Davis is also very worthy.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 11:36 AM (hyuyC)

256 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 11:25 AM
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 11:34 AM

Thanks and Thanks.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 11:37 AM (9UFns)

257 Bonfire started in Rolling Stone in 1984, which predated Sharpton being a public figure known to whites in Manhattan. He wasn't the first black shakedown artist. Jesse Jackson spawned a lot of wannabees.


OK, Bonfire the novel came out in 1987. Sharpton was already well enough known to be immediately recognizable.

I can't date my first acquaintance with the Rev. Al, but 1984 was not too far earlier than '87.

Also, Wolfe had written Radical Chic in the sixties. He was in tune with the race hustle and its practitioners. Maybe when he started serializing it in Rolling Stone it wasn't a popularly known reference, but it was definitely a charicature of Sharpton.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 11:37 AM (fuK7c)

258 Anyone know an interesting book on Chinee history?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 11:26 AM (aljs9)


I'm guessing Jay Leno has an autobio out there.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:37 AM (cY3LT)

259
What is a "spiritual leader", by the way?

Think of Joel Osteen without the ethical sense.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 20, 2018 11:38 AM (dFHx2)

260 Midget wrestlers?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2018 11:34 AM (IqV8l)

Dwarfs.....much tougher and they are used to be thrown around.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 11:38 AM (EoRCO)

261 "Rand made Stalin look like Tiny Tim."

Nasty as she may have been in her personal life, I sincerely doubt she had any of her circle liquidated. Much less did she kill 100 million people.

Posted by: Lawrence Person at May 20, 2018 11:39 AM (zPalU)

262 Or all of the above? I'm just asking for a friend.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 20, 2018 11:36 AM (9BLnV)


Man, you must really hate the Swiss.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:40 AM (cY3LT)

263 240 Some might say the Valar coming out of the West is a metaphor for the Americans saving everyone's bacon,

There's a lot of that in Tolkien.

An even closer American analogy is Numenor, when Ar-Pharazon jumped in to save Middle Earth from Sauron (he already had the Ring at the time, but looked prettier then). Ar-Pharazon then recruited Sauron as his closest advisor.
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 20, 2018 11:31 AM (6FqZa)

And the great eagles - the symbol of America - coming in to save Sam & Frodo after the destruction of Mt. Doom.

Posted by: josephistan at May 20, 2018 11:40 AM (ANIFC)

264 Nice library Jake.
I wish I had thought of stitching together the different shelves into one photo. I had to leave out an entire wall.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 20, 2018 11:41 AM (0tfLf)

265 Eventually the Nobel prizes will devolve into the board giving prizes to their friends, families, business partners, and people willing to do kickbacks.


Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 11:41 AM (2K6fY)

266 Oregon Muse,

Thanks again, and at the risk of sounding whiney you didn't post the important part of my e-mail to you with the photo.

"Last year when I sold my apartment and became a renter my new place did not have book shelves, so I stacked my books on the floor and on other things. As an experienced practitioner of the art of procrastination it took me a while, almost a year, but I finally bought shelves for most of my books. The funny thing is I miss my organised floor shelf. It didn't look pretty, but it was functional."

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at May 20, 2018 11:41 AM (9UFns)

267 I always thought the party in the tree at the end of "Go Dog Go" was a bit implausible. It never occurred to me back then though that dogs driving cars was also somewhat out of the ordinary.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 11:42 AM (UdKB7)

268 "Rand made Stalin look like Tiny Tim."
-----------------------------------------------
Nasty as she may have been in her personal life, I sincerely doubt she had any of her circle liquidated. Much less did she kill 100 million people.
Posted by: Lawrence Person at May 20, 2018 11:39 AM (zPalU)



IT'S FUNNY CUZ IT'S A TWIST ON THE CLASSIC COMPARISON PEOPLE MAKE WHEN THEY SAY STALIN (OR HILTER OR MAO) MAKES SOMEONE ELSE LOOK LIKE A RELATIVE INNOCENT... LIKE TINY TIM.

Posted by: Ben Rothlessburger at May 20, 2018 11:43 AM (cY3LT)

269 Years ago I read Dune and Dune Messiah and then realized I'd have to read all of them in one go. So the stars finally came together this summer, and I'm currently on Dune Messiah, and will follow it up with Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune, and Chapterhouse: Dune.

Posted by: Jim S. at May 20, 2018 11:43 AM (ynUnH)

270 I see that someone mentioned Pipe's passing away.
Does anyone suggest other good authors or books that concern Russian history?

Posted by: bananaDream at May 20, 2018 11:44 AM (yRBj9)

271 >>>There's an old heresy in Catholicism called "Donatism", which asserts that the sacraments are legitimate only if performed a virtuous priest.

That predated the protestant/catholic divide. Augustine settled it with "ex opera operato". There are no "sacraments" in the Bible strictly speaking. The only two acts mandated are baptism and communion, and nothing is said about an impeccable cleric being necessary to preside over the ceremonies. The whole thing was nothingburger.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 11:44 AM (/qEW2)

272 Kuru?

Asking for a quickie primer on the history of China is kind of like asking for a wee sip of the firehose. Any particular eras or subjects that interest you?

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 11:33 AM (y87Qq)

Thank you. i thought that as soon as I posted the comment. This dynasty, that dynasty....

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 11:45 AM (aljs9)

273 Good morning, Book Threaders.

Running on my WinXP hard drive, stuffed into the eMachine. It booted up reluctantly, I guess due to many hardware differences. And using Firefox browser. But it works, so that tells me the problem with my main computer is in the hard disk controller. The Win7 HD wouldn't boot at all, though, but maybe it cannot handle the architecture of the emachine.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 20, 2018 11:46 AM (dOgJt)

274 That predated the protestant/catholic divide. Augustine settled it with "ex opera operato". There are no "sacraments" in the Bible strictly speaking. The only two acts mandated are baptism and communion, and nothing is said about an impeccable cleric being necessary to preside over the ceremonies. The whole thing was nothingburger.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 11:44 AM (/qEW2)


I had an argument with a priest over the question of whether one could be truly forgiven for a sin, if one asks for it directly of God, without the intercession of a priest.

He said the priest was a necessary instrument for the sinner to receive grace.

Eh, yeah. No.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:47 AM (cY3LT)

275 OK, Bonfire the novel came out in 1987. Sharpton was already well enough known to be immediately recognizable.

I can't date my first acquaintance with the Rev. Al, but 1984 was not too far earlier than '87.

Also, Wolfe had written Radical Chic in the sixties. He was in tune with the race hustle and its practitioners. Maybe when he started serializing it in Rolling Stone it wasn't a popularly known reference, but it was definitely a charicature of Sharpton.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 11:37 AM (fuK7c)

Anyone who had access to NYC tabloids or local news stations--the five boroughs, NJ , Conn. --- knew who Al Sharpton was by at least 1983.
When the Tawana Brawley hoax exploded in 1987, he was already well-known.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 20, 2018 11:49 AM (7uYFy)

276 I had an argument with a priest over the question of
whether one could be truly forgiven for a sin, if one asks for it
directly of God, without the intercession of a priest.



He said the priest was a necessary instrument for the sinner to receive grace.



Eh, yeah. No.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:47 AM (cY3LT)


You realize this is the basis for the Reformation.

Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 11:49 AM (2K6fY)

277 "Siege at Jadotville".
--------------
Annnnnd there goes my resolve to *not* order any books this week.

Dang it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 20, 2018 11:49 AM (cp1if)

278 IT'S FUNNY CUZ IT'S A TWIST ON THE CLASSIC COMPARISON PEOPLE MAKE WHEN THEY SAY STALIN (OR HILTER OR MAO) MAKES SOMEONE ELSE LOOK LIKE A RELATIVE INNOCENT... LIKE TINY TIM.

Posted by: Ben Rothlessburger at May 20, 2018 11:43 AM (cY3LT)

Actually Tiny Tim killed many millions of people who offed themselves rather than listen to that song that shall go unmentioned. True story. So the point is mute. And deaf too.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 11:49 AM (aljs9)

279 Giant eagles saving the US? Carl Macek and Merian C. Cooper.

https://www.amazon.com/War-Eagles-Inspired-Original-Creator/dp/1932431748

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 20, 2018 11:50 AM (MMrzc)

280 Adam Flyte may be the Vader stand in, but feels more like a young Han Solo.

So Anakin isn't an annoying immature whiner in this one, but looks more like someone Obi-wan wouldn't want to feed to a rancor?

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 20, 2018 11:50 AM (6FqZa)

281 #21: Saw the film. It is quite good.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at May 20, 2018 11:50 AM (QMwOT)

282 He said the priest was a necessary instrument for the sinner to receive grace.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:47 AM (cY3LT)


Rare is the lawyer that tells you to save your money and just go to Legal Zoom instead.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 11:50 AM (FxM6p)

283 What is a "spiritual leader", by the way?
-----------

Well, duh. Jesse Jackson.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at May 20, 2018 11:50 AM (cp1if)

284 Meant #24

Posted by: The Man from Athens at May 20, 2018 11:51 AM (QMwOT)

285 You'd love listening to Rabbi Daniel Lapin. Look up his YouTube videos talking about the Tower of Babel. Absolutely mind blowing. He tells the story and the significance of the words and the "stones vs bricks" and mortar in the Hebrew translations. These two videos are from Glenn Beck's days at FOX.
Posted by: SandyCheeks at May 20, 2018 11:01 AM (b4HRt)


Thanks for pointing that out. I've found a four parter called Tower of Power which will become evident when I start watching if it's what you're referring to and, if not I can muck around and find it.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 20, 2018 11:51 AM (y7DUB)

286 280 Adam Flyte may be the Vader stand in, but feels more like a young Han Solo.

So Anakin isn't an annoying immature whiner in this one, but looks more like someone Obi-wan wouldn't want to feed to a rancor?
Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 20, 2018 11:50 AM (6FqZa)

IF Adam Flyte is supposed to be Anakin, no he's not annoying. He's kinda cool. But doesn't like being told what to do. Total moron material. He's not a child in any way.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 11:52 AM (xJa6I)

287 Mike Hammer heh

Here is a book that is tempting me after I blew up my budget buying that autographed book from Dick Cole.

Turn the Tigers Loose about night combat missions over Korea. Ghost written by Frederick Pohl.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yd9qhsas

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 20, 2018 11:53 AM (MMrzc)

288 For me, that is the WORST thing about modern movies. The hero spends 90 minutes (or more) dealing with all sorts of things that no one should have to do, and filmmaker think their brilliant twist is to have that person NOT survive, not be rewarded for the struggle. ...

Sands of Iwo Jima. Stryker is killed during the assault on Mt Surabachi. From behind. By a Japanese soldier hiding in a spider hole. After leading his troops across the Pacific, and with victory in sight.

Posted by: Fox2! at May 20, 2018 11:53 AM (brIR5)

289 Running on my WinXP hard drive, stuffed into the eMachine. It booted up reluctantly, I guess due to many hardware differences. And using Firefox browser. But it works, so that tells me the problem with my main computer is in the hard disk controller. The Win7 HD wouldn't boot at all, though, but maybe it cannot handle the architecture of the emachine.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Sundry drivers different/missing?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 20, 2018 11:53 AM (cp1if)

290 269 Years ago I read Dune and Dune Messiah and then realized I'd have to read all of them in one go. So the stars finally came together this summer, and I'm currently on Dune Messiah, and will follow it up with Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune, and Chapterhouse: Dune.
Posted by: Jim S. at May 20, 2018 11:43 AM (ynUnH)

As one who has walked that road...

STOP after Children of Dune. For the love of all that is good.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 11:54 AM (xJa6I)

291 "OK, Bonfire the novel came out in 1987. Sharpton was already well enough known to be immediately recognizable."

When Wolfe was creating the Reverend Bacon, Sharpton wasn't well known. He wasn't well known among whites in 1987 unless you were from John Gotti land in Howard Beach Queens.

Most of the minor characters in Bonfire were inspired by real-life not-famous people.

I doubt that Wolfe could foresee that Sharpton would become a national figure by fomenting riots and then getting a NBC show. Life is stranger than fiction.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 11:54 AM (pV/54)

292
You realize this is the basis for the Reformation.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 11:49 AM (2K6fY)

I think the sale of indulgences and the overall corrupt nature of the papacy at that time---I say this as a Catholic: the Church needed some (small "r") reforming at that time---had more to do with it.

Of course, with Henry VIII, all it took was the Pope refusing an annulment. The Anglican Church was Catholic in all but name.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 20, 2018 11:54 AM (7uYFy)

293 Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 10:41 AM (qJtVm)

Thanks, got it. Interesting that the free version wasn't showing up on the Kindle storefront.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 20, 2018 11:54 AM (phT8I)

294 So, votermom mentioned the book about science & religion being free, which was in my price range. Clicked to VM's page, clicked through to Lulu page, then they want me to join up and give an email for the free PDF.

And there I stopped.

Posted by: mindful webworker almost read something last week at May 20, 2018 11:54 AM (ECLlc)

295 STOP after Children of Dune. For the love of all that is good.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 11:54 AM (xJa6I)


Listen to the man. He knows things.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 11:55 AM (FxM6p)

296 294 yeah, its Lulu

I have an extra email I use for signing up for stuff that I never check

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 20, 2018 11:56 AM (hMwEB)

297 Welp, gotta go for a few hours.

But I did see Deadpool 2 last night. It was funny but also kinda annoying. And it really turned the gay up.
Cable was well-done.
Kid was annoying too.

I'd call it a renter.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 11:56 AM (xJa6I)

298 Just finished Amor Towles's "Rules of Civility," and was greatly entertained.

Set in late-Depression-era New York City, a very bright twenty-something woman, daughter of Russian immigrants, raised in a two-room coldwater flat in Brooklyn, rises into old-wealth society, but her stepping-stone guy turns out to be a gigolo.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 20, 2018 11:56 AM (UUD++)

299 Sands of Iwo Jima. Stryker is killed during the assault on Mt Surabachi. From behind. By a Japanese soldier hiding in a spider hole. After leading his troops across the Pacific, and with victory in sight.
Posted by: Fox2!
---------------

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Tom Hanks, in Saving Pvt. Ryan at May 20, 2018 11:56 AM (Zdm89)

300
Eh, yeah. No.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:47 AM (cY3LT)

You realize this is the basis for the Reformation.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 11:49 AM (2K6fY)
----
This has the potential to make the Civil War/War of Northern Aggression battles or, dare I say it, shag/hardwood wars, seem like the Carolina BBQ Skirmishes.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 11:57 AM (qJtVm)

301
When Wolfe was creating the Reverend Bacon, Sharpton wasn't well known. He wasn't well known among whites in 1987 unless you were from John Gotti land in Howard Beach Queens.

Most of the minor characters in Bonfire were inspired by real-life not-famous people.

I doubt that Wolfe could foresee that Sharpton would become a national figure by fomenting riots and then getting a NBC show. Life is stranger than fiction.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 11:54 AM (pV/54)

As I said, he was well-known enough in the tri-state area. I can't remember exactly what it was that brought him to prominence, but by the time Bpnfire was being serialized in Rolling Stone, everyone in NYC/NJ/Conn. knew who he was....

Posted by: JoeF. at May 20, 2018 11:57 AM (7uYFy)

302 By the end of the third Dune book you will want to be eaten by the sand worms to stop the pain.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 20, 2018 11:57 AM (MMrzc)

303 Mark Edwards - Thanks! Glad you liked it. Things speed up with each successive book.
Back to Tolkien - he hated allegory but he admitted his stuff was very *applicable.* And so it is.
So while he vocally rejected using Middle Earth as a proxy for our own, he freely admitted that much of what he wrote applied to the world we live in.
My point is that the mood in Hurin is very similar to other books from that time. One by one the Elvish realms are collapsing and there isn't any real hope, but they still rise up whenever there's a chance things can turn around. Turin's curse is also theologically complex. He's clearly ruled by the sin of pride, and it consumes and destroys everything he does.
Note also that all the women who love him meet a bad end. What does that say?

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at May 20, 2018 11:57 AM (cfSRQ)

304 IF Adam Flyte is supposed to be Anakin, no he's not annoying. He's kinda cool. But doesn't like being told what to do. Total moron material. He's not a child in any way.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 11:52 AM (xJa6I)


When I read that book, I thought that Adam Flyte was kind of a Han Solo stand-in.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at May 20, 2018 11:57 AM (jlKn3)

305 I think the sale of indulgences and the overall corrupt nature of the papacy at that time
----------

One can still buy an indulgence, if one knows the right people.

Posted by: Zombie Marc Rich at May 20, 2018 11:59 AM (Zdm89)

306 All Hail Eris #198: OregonMuse can make you, and he can break you.
Never forget that!


Can't imagine what you mean.

Posted by: mindful webworker, broken and defeated at May 20, 2018 11:59 AM (ECLlc)

307 Sundry drivers different/missing?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 20, 2018 11:53 AM (cp1if)

Most likely. The eMachine has a Pentium 4 processor. I don't really want to mess with the drivers on the Win7 disk, as it is my primary work drive. I think I have a new, unused, motherboard comparable to that in the dead machine. If I can find that, i will install it, and try the Win7 drive in there.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 20, 2018 11:59 AM (dOgJt)

308 I had an argument with a priest over the question of
whether one could be truly forgiven for a sin, if one asks for it
directly of God, without the intercession of a priest.



He said the priest was a necessary instrument for the sinner to receive grace.

Eh, yeah. No.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:47 AM (cY3LT)

You realize this is the basis for the Reformation.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 11:49 AM (2K6fY)


Part of it, sure. My understanding, after having studied the subject, was that the sacraments, as administered by priests, were a means, but not the only means.

My belief is that his narrow view is NOT the doctrine of the Church.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:59 AM (cY3LT)

309 Sands of Iwo Jima. Stryker is killed during the assault on Mt Surabachi. From behind. By a Japanese soldier hiding in a spider hole. After leading his troops across the Pacific, and with victory in sight.
Posted by: Fox2!
---------------

GySgt. John Basilone.

MOH at Guadalcanal and was killed at Iwo Jima.

A true hero.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 11:59 AM (EoRCO)

310 Thank you. i thought that as soon as I posted the comment. This dynasty, that dynasty....
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 11:45 AM (aljs9)


Plus, the names are a nightmare. First, the dynasties each have around three different names, none of which seem related at all unless you read Chinese ideograms, which I don't. And if you do, the ideograms from, say, the first millennium BC don't look very much like the later ones. Then each ruler has an unfamiliar name, and like any dynastic reign worth reading about, none of the individual names tell you anything about which dynasty they were a part of. Finally, if you don't know the geography, none of the provinces mean anything, which means wars are things that might as well be happening in made-up places. It's fascinating stuff, but holy crap they don't make it easy.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 12:00 PM (y87Qq)

311 302 By the end of the third Dune book you will want to be eaten by the sand worms to stop the pain.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 20, 2018 11:57 AM (MMrzc)


Read Dune years ago. Liked it. Have no desire to read any of the others in the series. I think it's better that way.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at May 20, 2018 12:00 PM (jlKn3)

312 He said the priest was a necessary instrument for the sinner to receive grace.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:47 AM (cY3LT)

Maybe a big part of that is just verbally articulating --that is 'confessing'--your sins to another human, one that is bound to keep his mouth shut.

How is it confessing if you don't come right out and say what it is you've done that needs forgiveness?

Posted by: JoeF. at May 20, 2018 12:01 PM (7uYFy)

313 "When the Tawana Brawley hoax exploded in 1987, he was already well-known."

The Brawley hoax promoted Sharpton's name. Tawana made her claims in November 1987. It was a 1988 story.

Wolfe wrote up the Reverend Bacon before Sharpton got his fame. It's a credit to Wolfe.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 12:01 PM (pV/54)

314 As one who has walked that road...



STOP after Children of Dune. For the love of all that is good.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at May 20, 2018 11:54 AM (xJa6I)

Herbert is kind of interesting because his writing early on is pretty awful. The parody version ("Doon") captures it perfectly.

He then gets better at writing but has increasingly less interesting stuff to say. I read the "second trilogy" while deployed to Germany and it certainly helped me to get sleep!

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at May 20, 2018 12:01 PM (cfSRQ)

315 Iwo Jima was like the Somme, a meat grinder but on a smaller scale.

Of the six who raised the second flag, three were killed on the island.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 20, 2018 12:02 PM (MMrzc)

316 198 OregonMuse can make you, and he can break you.

Never forget that!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 10:56 AM (qJtVm)

Specially with his new bionic skeleton!!!

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 20, 2018 12:02 PM (hMwEB)

317 306 All Hail Eris #198: OregonMuse can make you, and he can break you.
Never forget that!

Can't imagine what you mean.
Posted by: mindful webworker, broken and defeated at May 20, 2018 11:59 AM (ECLlc)


She means that if you don't kowtow to my every whim, I will say bad things about you on the internets.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at May 20, 2018 12:02 PM (jlKn3)

318 Which Dune is it in which Atreideeznuts turns into a giant sand worm?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:02 PM (qJtVm)

319 Wasn't Al Sharpton involved in some kind of racism hustle against a Jewish store that got people killed? It was before Tawana and her story.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 20, 2018 12:04 PM (MMrzc)

320 Youngest Muse boy (age 26) is a big Led Zeppelin fan. I told him "Son, you do realize that this is the music your dad listened to in college, right?" But that didn't seem to bother him.

Boy the Bilderberg listens to a lot of 80's stuff. It occurred to me that that would be like me listening to Glenn Miller and Benny Goodman. Which... I do!

(Also, taking this opportunity to add close tags to my nic on the *ahem* "advice" of naturalfake.)

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 20, 2018 12:05 PM (7oUUT)

321 318 Which Dune is it in which Atreideeznuts turns into a giant sand worm?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:02 PM (qJtVm)


I believe he evolves into The Eternal Sand Carp in Timewasters of Dune.

Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 12:05 PM (FxM6p)

322 If you've read a lot of Tom Wolfe you can understand exactly what's driving the mounting insanity in America right now. It's all driven by status.

Back in the bad old days, there was only one scale of status, the one that ran from slum-dweller to one of the people who got invited to Mrs. Astor's parties. Everyone was along the same axis and moving up mostly meant getting more wealth and adopting the habits and manners of the next rung up the ladder.

But post-WWII there's so much wealth in America that it's meaningless as a badge of status. The old scale exploded into dozens -- hundreds -- of separate little status pyramids. The post-1968 leftists did a very good job of building their own pyramid, based on being even more exquisitely attuned to "injustices," into the one that included academia, media, and politics.

That's why they're so vicious, both on offense and defense. On offense, they have to show their higher status, which means there must be witches to hunt and heretics to burn.

And on defense, they're even worse, because an attack on a liberal's position in the hierarchy of exquisite sensitivity is also an attack on the entire hierarchy itself. If being a good liberal isn't a badge of status, that means their entire psychological and social reward system is a con game or a delusion. I think they may literally die before admitting that.

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 20, 2018 12:06 PM (zOGzb)

323 He said the priest was a necessary instrument for the sinner to receive grace.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:47 AM (cY3LT)

Rare is the lawyer that tells you to save your money and just go to Legal Zoom instead.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 11:50 AM (FxM6p)


Well said.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 12:06 PM (cY3LT)

324 When the Tawana Brawley hoax exploded in 1987, he was already well-known."

The Brawley hoax promoted Sharpton's name. Tawana made her claims in November 1987. It was a 1988 story.

Wolfe wrote up the Reverend Bacon before Sharpton got his fame. It's a credit to Wolfe.
Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 12:01 PM (pV/54)

Yes, if you are talking "nationwide." Brawley wasn't just a local story. So by the time that story broke, Bonfire had already been written. I'm simply saying that those of us in the area KNEW who Sharpton was before Bonfire and certainly before Brawley....

Posted by: JoeF. at May 20, 2018 12:06 PM (7uYFy)

325 "For me, that is the WORST thing about modern movies. The hero spends 90 minutes (or more) dealing with all sorts of things that no one should have to do, and filmmaker think their brilliant twist is to have that person NOT survive, not be rewarded for the struggle. And that to me, is the moral failing of modern movies. It's such an insidious message, and it gets absorbed by audiences, over and over and over again."

I think, "and it all worked out and they lived happily ever after just like you wanted" is worse.

Posted by: Apostate at May 20, 2018 12:06 PM (7d/38)

326 Which Dune is it in which Atreideeznuts turns into a giant sand worm?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:02 PM (qJtVm)
I read Dune, and the one that followed it, none of the rest. It was an interesting story, but too much magic, and not enough hard SF. And the whole premise of the Butlerian jihad was goofy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 20, 2018 12:06 PM (dOgJt)

327 Wasn't Al Sharpton involved in some kind of racism hustle against a Jewish store that got people killed? It was before Tawana and her story.
Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 20, 2018 12:04 PM (MMrzc)


https://tinyurl.com/bo9cok6

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 12:06 PM (y87Qq)

328 "Wasn't Al Sharpton involved in some kind of racism hustle against a Jewish store that got people killed? It was before Tawana and her story."

Al's Freddie's Fashion Mart riot was in 1995.

Al's Crown Heights Riot was in 1991.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 12:07 PM (pV/54)

329 When I read that book, I thought that Adam Flyte was kind of a Han Solo stand-in.


Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at May 20, 2018 11:57 AM (jlKn3)

Okay, no spoilers here, but while the characters were inspired by the prequels, they don't line up neatly.

So yes, Adam Flyte has a big destiny before him (remember what Justin says in the epilogue?).

But no one is exactly who you expect them to be. Maxim Darius was tremendously fun to write and he's based on one of my mentors - who is a great guy.
I'm reliably told that Book 2 is much better in terms of pacing and action, so please stick with it. One of my friends (who is a fighter pilot) read it and he particularly enjoyed Adam going through OCS.
Since no one asked: My favorite character is... Jermah Macro. Hilariously fun to write. No one even close to him in Star Wars.

Posted by: A.H. Lloyd at May 20, 2018 12:07 PM (cfSRQ)

330 I listened to an audio version of Ishigura's Never Let Me Go.
Very creepy. As the story unfolds rather slowly, I thought at first it was just the National Health on steroids. It soon became clear that this was an dystopia/ethics/sci fi story, very excellently written, unfortunately rather sad, and definitely the sort to stay in your mind as you find out more about scientific advances in cloning.

Today I discovered a discussion of the film based on the book, a podcast via Ricochet, posted by Titus Techera at
https://ricochet.com/519038/acf-middlebrow-11-never-let-go/

Think I'll get back to World War II reading: I finally got Victor Davis Hanson's Second World Wars.


Posted by: Alifa at May 20, 2018 12:07 PM (c+Rmq)

331 Bernard Lewis passed away yesterday. He was a profoundly great historian of Islam and the Middle East.

Posted by: Sharkman at May 20, 2018 12:07 PM (+BKF+)

332 I believe he evolves into The Eternal Sand Carp in Timewasters of Dune.
Posted by: ScoggDog at May 20, 2018 12:05 PM (FxM6p)


"Timewasters of Dune". I laffed. Very well played, sir.

Posted by: OregonMuse, AoSHQ Thought Leader & Contributing Editor, Vanity Fair Magazine at May 20, 2018 12:08 PM (jlKn3)

333 He said the priest was a necessary instrument for the sinner to receive grace.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:47 AM (cY3LT)

Maybe a big part of that is just verbally articulating --that is 'confessing'--your sins to another human, one that is bound to keep his mouth shut.

How is it confessing if you don't come right out and say what it is you've done that needs forgiveness?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 20, 2018 12:01 PM (7uYFy)


Well that would be a benefit of having a confessor. Which isn't the same thing as saying one MUST have a confessor, that God isn't going to listen to you unless you do.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 12:08 PM (cY3LT)

334 Which Dune is it in which Atreideeznuts turns into a giant sand worm?

==

iirc book 3, God Emperor of Dune

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 20, 2018 12:08 PM (hMwEB)

335
"But the absolute drivel written about a place in which I lived for two years was astounding. Dates were wrong, events were reported badly, or ignored or made up from whole cloth."
------

This has the ring of truth to me:

"Resident complains not fit for habitability. Live boa constrictor, fire, dried blood on her door, food and burning matches thrown at dinner, person wandering through halls brandishing a whip and striking the walls with it."

This is you, isn't it CBD? In bondage leathers with a boa coiled around you, cracking a cat-o-nine-tails at the Squares.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:09 PM (qJtVm)

336 322---well put.

I would add that pre-WW2, a majority of people were interested in just eating and having a roof over their --heads--surviving--to worry much about "status."

Now even those on the--or near the--bottom rung worry about "status"--the right car, spinners, sneakers, phones.
It's amazing.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 20, 2018 12:10 PM (7uYFy)

337 270 bananaDream

1) The Icon and the Axe: An Interpretive History of Russian Culture (1966) by James Billington.

2) Eastern Approaches by Fitzroy MacLean.

3) Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar by Simon Montefiore.

4) The Liberators by Viktor Suvorov.

This should start you off right.

There is one more, by a reporter who interviewed Stalin, liked him a lot, and then spent more time in Russia. He became greatly disillusioned, and wrote how Communism stifled Russia. He examined the 50th Anniversary of the Russian Revolution. Very lucid.

It's somewhere in the house. Somewhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 12:10 PM (hyuyC)

338 I think the sale of indulgences and the overall
corrupt nature of the papacy at that time---I say this as a Catholic:
the Church needed some (small "r") reforming at that time---had more to
do with it.



Of course, with Henry VIII, all it took was the Pope refusing an annulment. The Anglican Church was Catholic in all but name.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 20, 2018 11:54 AM (7uYFy)


Without the need to go through a priest or the hierarchy for absolution for sin the sale of indulgences would have been as momentous as a Wednesday night Bingo game at the Baptist church.
Without that power gained from being the connection to God the hierarchy would have had no leverage to control politics the way the Pope did.

I admit these things were a festering boil that had to be lanced, and the principal reason they were fought as hard as they were was because the princes and kings saw a benefit to themselves, but the basis of it all was whether forgiveness could be attained by one opening ones soul to God or through the agency of a priest or hierarchy.


Posted by: Kindltot at May 20, 2018 12:10 PM (2K6fY)

339 Eris, a latex cat-girl with a cat -o-nine-tails? Nyah!

And John Ringo starts scribbling notes.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 20, 2018 12:11 PM (MMrzc)

340 Whoops, wrong thread!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:12 PM (qJtVm)

341 Wasn't Al Sharpton involved in some kind of racism hustle against a Jewish store that got people killed? It was before Tawana and her story.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 20, 2018 12:04 PM (MMrzc)


Freddie's Fashion Mart, IIRC!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at May 20, 2018 12:12 PM (n9EOP)

342 114: I much preferred Wind Sand and Stars

Posted by: CN at May 20, 2018 12:12 PM (5gaNQ)

343 Of course, with Henry VIII, all it took was the Pope refusing an annulment. The Anglican Church was Catholic in all but name.

Henry continued burning "Lutherans." I don't think the real slide from "schism" into "heresy" occurred until Elizabeth.

Posted by: Fox2! at May 20, 2018 12:13 PM (brIR5)

344 This started with my writing "If you parse the timeline, Wolfe invented the Reverend Bacon before Sharpton's rise."

Which is true. And Wolfe was prescient. He wasn't just writing a caricature of an already famous guy. He was skewering a local race hustler who was gaining power by manipulating the media, who went along willingly.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 12:14 PM (pV/54)

345 Sharpton came to prominence with the Bernard Goetz subway vigilante episode. That was in 1984.

I had to look it up.

But even before that, he was known as an activist, a preacher and amember of James Brown's entourage....

Posted by: JoeF. at May 20, 2018 12:14 PM (7uYFy)

346 "For me, that is the WORST thing about modern movies. The hero spends 90 minutes (or more) dealing with all sorts of things that no one should have to do, and filmmaker think their brilliant twist is to have that person NOT survive, not be rewarded for the struggle. And that to me, is the moral failing of modern movies. It's such an insidious message, and it gets absorbed by audiences, over and over and over again."
---------------------------------------
I think, "and it all worked out and they lived happily ever after just like you wanted" is worse.
Posted by: Apostate at May 20, 2018 12:06 PM (7d/3


There's a lot of space between "happily ever after," and the hero having a purpose for what they are doing, where the struggle is shown to have been worth the effort.

As others have introduced, the hero who martyrs himself for something greater is just as complete and moral, as the hero getting to survive the struggle.

What I don't appreciate is the story where the hero does everything the right way, and in the end, either the bad guy wins or everybody loses or the hero is shown to be just as bad as the bad guy, and therefore worse.

It strikes me as lazy and cheap, and pretty much negates the purpose of telling the story in the first place.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 12:14 PM (cY3LT)

347 I liked the Fat Al Sharpton better than the thin Al Sharpton.

He fit the role better that way. And his Conway Twitty hairdo.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 12:16 PM (EoRCO)

348 Henry continued burning "Lutherans." I don't think the real slide from "schism" into "heresy" occurred until Elizabeth.
Posted by: Fox2! at May 20, 2018 12:13 PM (brIR5)

Yes. But by that time, intrigue with Catholic Spain and France forced a complete and final schism.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 20, 2018 12:16 PM (7uYFy)

349 RIP Bernard Lewis

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 20, 2018 12:17 PM (6FqZa)

350 If you did a "Tom Wolfe" parody on Obama in 2004 to 2007, you'd be prescient. That's what Wolfe did with Sharpton. And that was my point

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 12:19 PM (pV/54)

351 I wonder if Larry Correia got reimbursed for the plane tickets by Origins after they disinvited him.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 20, 2018 12:19 PM (MMrzc)

352 BurtTC, I think it's all part of the idea that your fortune is dependent on luck and largesse, not hard work or moral rectitude. That's why ultimately nothing matters.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:20 PM (qJtVm)

353 Man, you must really hate the Swiss.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 11:40 AM (cY3LT)

Well, that's where I've got my multi-million dollar bank account. Sure, Luxembourg and Lichtenstein have some decent banks, but if you want your banking with cocoa, Switzerland is THE place!

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 20, 2018 12:22 PM (9BLnV)

354 Whoops, wrong thread!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes



I was wondering about that. I was thinking it could have been a portrait of Eris, except that the blood had had time to dry.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 12:23 PM (fuK7c)

355 I just put God Emperor of Dune on my library request list. I need something freaky to read.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:23 PM (qJtVm)

356 What I don't appreciate is the story where the hero does everything the right way, and in the end, either the bad guy wins or everybody loses or the hero is shown to be just as bad as the bad guy, and therefore worse.

It strikes me as lazy and cheap, and pretty much negates the purpose of telling the story in the first place.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2018 12:14 PM (cY3LT)

Not if your story's purpose is to slap the audience upside the head.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at May 20, 2018 12:25 PM (9BLnV)

357 I was wondering about that. I was thinking it could have been a portrait of Eris, except that the blood had had time to dry.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 12:23 PM (fuK7c)
---
I am SO vanilla. For realz!

Bander, was there a Trump simulacrum in Bonfire? It's been ages since I read it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:25 PM (qJtVm)

358 Something freaky to read? How about write. As in lift out of the later Dune books Alia of the Knife getting jiggy with Duncan Idaho.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 20, 2018 12:25 PM (MMrzc)

359 I just put God Emperor of Dune on my library request list. I need something freaky to read.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:23 PM (qJtVm)


OMG you know what you shouldn't do? Put your hand on a hot stove. You shouldn't do that, you'd regret it.

Seriously, avoid touching hot stoves.

Just forget I brought it up.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 12:27 PM (y87Qq)

360 This started with my writing "If you parse the timeline, Wolfe invented the Reverend Bacon before Sharpton's rise."

Which is true. And Wolfe was prescient. He wasn't just writing a caricature of an already famous guy. He was skewering a local race hustler who was gaining power by manipulating the media, who went along willingly.



Well, there's no horse quite so much beating as a dead horse.

What I read you to say was that the Rev. Al's public persona came after the Rev. Bacon's, and that it was life imitating art.

What people who lived in the NYC media market are saying is nah brah, we knew him.

His national breakthrough was probably Tawana Brawley in 87/88, but we in the local market were already saturated with his James Brown hair and his MLK medallion and his John Gotti trackstuit and his "I make the Rev. Jackson look eloquent" diatribes.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 12:29 PM (fuK7c)

361 Bander, was there a Trump simulacrum in Bonfire? It's been ages since I read it.


Somebody asked about that in a thread this week. I haven't read it since back then.

It seems like there must have been, but I can't bring it to mind.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 20, 2018 12:32 PM (fuK7c)

362 Hogmartin, some things are so bad they bend time and space itself and become awesome in the true sense.

Picture me, reading it, being pulled through a hallucinatory vortex of light like Bowman in 2001, silently screaming.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:32 PM (qJtVm)

363 One of the scenes in Bonfire is how the Rev Bacon gets a bunch of his followers onto a bus with a Happy Meal and then takes them to a protest site, where all 30 are strategically positioned AND NBC AND ABC AND CBS FRAME THE SHOT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THEY WERE IN THE HUNDREDS.

And how the Rev Bacon uses the media to jack up the settlement payment in which he's going to get a cut.

Things like this were the big reveal of Bonfire, and things you couldn't say in polite company.

Posted by: Ignoramus at May 20, 2018 12:37 PM (pV/54)

364 355 I just put God Emperor of Dune on my library request list. I need something freaky to read.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:23 PM (qJtVm)

Ehhhhhhhh

Posted by: @votermom @vm pimping great books usually free or sale at May 20, 2018 12:39 PM (hMwEB)

365 Hogmartin, some things are so bad they bend time and space itself and become awesome in the true sense.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:32 PM (qJtVm)


Yes, but sometimes things that aren't good just aren't very good at all. It might seem like eating a big bowl of aquarium gravel would be a cool way to freak out the normies, but actually eating aquarium gravel is probably not pleasant. Plus you end up pooping colorful bits of gravel for days.

Basically I'm suggesting that you avoid pooping gravel. Not sure how that happened, but here we are.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 12:40 PM (y87Qq)

366 hey there, citizen @votermom, did you find an answer to your Roger Moore question?

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 12:43 PM (y87Qq)

367 Things like this were the big reveal of Bonfire, and things you couldn't say in polite company.
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Or when you made the book into a film.

Age, race, and ethnicity were key elements of the story, as they would be for describing the strata of society in New York City with its constant churn of people.

Wolfe is our Thackeray and lampoons everybody mercilessly, but film is very literal and you can't say those things. Somebody might take offense.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:43 PM (qJtVm)

368 :/

The fate of the super-powered, non-heroic, main character in my little, unpolished, self-webpublished Invulnerable story (linked in nic) is ... wait... never mind.

Posted by: mindful webworker, squelched, broken and defeated at May 20, 2018 12:43 PM (ECLlc)

369 "Ehhhhhhhh..."

"...pooping colorful bits of gravel..."
--------

Well now I *have* to read it!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:44 PM (qJtVm)

370 God Emperor of Dune is no Ka-Boom.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at May 20, 2018 12:49 PM (MMrzc)

371 Basically I'm suggesting that you avoid pooping gravel. Not sure how that happened, but here we are.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 12:40 PM (y87Qq)


Gawd, I do love this place. Where else on The Internet are you going to find that?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at May 20, 2018 12:50 PM (7oUUT)

372 Where else on The Internet are you going to find that?
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Oh, I'm sure there are plenty of places on the internet where you'll find that.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:53 PM (qJtVm)

373 When I review GEOD I will of course steal Hogmartin's wonderful word painting (a Pollock, I'm guessing).

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 12:55 PM (qJtVm)

374 AHE, Somewhere there is a guy wanting those jpgs! No me, but somewhere.

Stay safe, my very special muse: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes. A Horde needs your leadership.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 12:57 PM (hyuyC)

375 I'm currently reading The Art of Communicating, recommended here, and The Skinny Rules, by Bob Harper, who was the coach of America's Biggest Loser contestants. I don't watch much TV, so I didn't know who he was. It didn't help to learn that this guy who preached on the optimal diet recently suffered a heart attack, a la Jim Fixx!

Posted by: SandyCheeks at May 20, 2018 12:57 PM (b4HRt)

376 As that great philosopher Jerry Lewis said, I don't know the secret of success but the secret to failure is trying to please everyone.

I've also seen that attributed to the great philosopher Bill Cosby (before his fall, of course). LOL

Posted by: SandyCheeks at May 20, 2018 01:06 PM (b4HRt)

377 I don't know the secret of success but the secret to failure is trying to roofie everyone.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 01:09 PM (qJtVm)

378 And I was reading chapter 1 I had to stop myself from chucking the book because the author had to interject things. Writing about Dayton has to mention the town gave birth to one of the first recognized African American poets named Dunbar. Then a page later Dunbar is mentioned again in passing because the Dayton paper carried a mention of a Colored Baby contest being cancelled. Followed by the author later saying Dayton was like every other place in the US racist.


Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR)

The Paul Lawrence Dunbar connection. Dunbar was a young teenager in Dayton, and guess who were his older friends? Orville and Wilbur Wright. The Wright brothers, among other things, published a neighborhood paper in their late teenage years, and that was the first place that Dunbar's poems (he was 13 or 14 at the time) were ever published.

Yeah, those nasty white racists.
All the time, 24-7-365.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....living on the prison planet at May 20, 2018 01:11 PM (S6Pax)

379 Reading William H. Lovejoy's "Delta Blue." Last night I watched Wilbur Smith's "Dark of the Sun."

First thing I noticed on Jake's bookshelf was the Kukri knife. Mine is not near as nice, but it cost less than a couple bucks from a teenage street vendor in Kathmandu.

I helped with a conference when I was a grad student. Had all the top people from the field. After one afternoon session everyone adjourned to the faculty club. One prof from Ohio State sat with us grad students. A group of professors were engaged in an intense and heated discussion at a nearby table. He gave us some great advice. "Don't ever take yourself as seriously as those guys."

Posted by: Raven One at May 20, 2018 01:14 PM (qSnW8)

380 >>>Running on my WinXP hard drive, stuffed into the eMachine. It booted up
reluctantly, I guess due to many hardware differences. And using Firefox
browser. But it works, so that tells me the problem with my main
computer is in the hard disk controller.<<<
Here again we have temporal anomalies that suggest that Ace needs to develop a tighter filter for his questionable time travel activities.

Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2018 01:17 PM (J7XgW)

381 Heh, Fritz!

Powering down. I installed another MB in the old machine, actually the previous one; it's the "new" one that seems to have cacked out. I will shut this one down, and try the the other machine again.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 20, 2018 01:23 PM (dOgJt)

382 Is there a name for the skeletomuscular disorder of the neck caused by holding the head sideways to read titles on book spines?


Something related to the compassionate head tilt? The literary head tilt syndrome?
//


BTW Also loved Rules of Civility. I wish we would all follow Washington's rules today!

Posted by: PJ at May 20, 2018 01:25 PM (qlTN9)

383 Bandersnatch: great story re: Wolfe. I have read other Tom Wolfe books on the strength of Bonfire. He had a great ear for dialogue. I think the swearing in that book is a dead on perfect rendering of the patois.

Posted by: TheThirdPhase at May 20, 2018 01:26 PM (blPpW)

384 Henry continued burning "Lutherans." I don't think the real slide from "schism" into "heresy" occurred until Elizabeth.
Posted by: Fox2! at May 20, 2018 12:13 PM (brIR5)

Yes. But by that time, intrigue with Catholic Spain and France forced a complete and final schism.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 20, 2018 12:16 PM (7uYFy)


It's not like the Jesuits weren't plotting against her constantly.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 20, 2018 01:42 PM (y7DUB)

385 I don't know the secret of success but the secret to failure is trying to roofie everyone.

Who needs roofies? I've had math professors who could knock out a whole auditorium.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 20, 2018 01:49 PM (6FqZa)

386 joining the moron book group at goodreads. Last book read was "life with Father" by Clarence Day Jr. Then "Three to get Deadly" by Janet Ivanovich. This is why I am a vapid dunderhead. I fill my brain with tripe. Working on a short collection of Solzhenitsyn's addresses. Maybe the morons' suggestions will improve my choice of reads.

Posted by: NiteDoctor at May 20, 2018 01:53 PM (rOloX)

387 Thanks for pointing that out. I've found a four parter called Tower of Power which will become evident when I start watching if it's what you're referring to and, if not I can muck around and find it.
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 20, 2018 11:51 AM (y7DUB)

The one you found probably covers it. I typed in Rabbi Lapin tells Glenn Beck about the Tower of Babel and a few of the episodes came up. I think it was in three or four parts. One of them was titled "Bricks or Stones," which was quite the revelation since the rabbi said that it prefigured socialism, where all the bricks are uniform and same -- much like citizens in a socialist society -- and that stones were unique, like God intended humans. The mortar in the tower of Babel represented material possessions.

Posted by: SandyCheeks at May 20, 2018 01:54 PM (b4HRt)

388 I think, "and it all worked out and they lived happily ever after just like you wanted" is worse.
Posted by: Apostate
--------------

From the foreword of Ivanhoe:

...the author may, in passing, observe, that he thinks a character of a highly virtuous and lofty stamp, is degraded rather than exalted by an attempt to reward virtue with temporal prosperity. Such is not the recompense which Providence has deemed worthy of suffering merit, and it is a dangerous and fatal doctrine to teach young persons, the most common readers of romance, that rectitude of conduct and of principle are either naturally allied with, or adequately rewarded by, the gratification of our passions, or attainment of our wishes. In a
word, if a virtuous and self-denied character is dismissed with temporal wealth, greatness, rank, or the indulgence of such a rashly formed or
ill assorted passion as that of Rebecca for Ivanhoe, the reader will be apt to say, verily Virtue has had its reward. But a glance on the great picture of life will show, that the duties of self-denial, and the sacrifice of passion to principle, are seldom thus remunerated; and that the internal consciousness of their high-minded discharge of duty, produces on their own reflections a more adequate recompense, in the
form of that peace which the world cannot give or take away.

Posted by: Sir Walter Scott at May 20, 2018 02:26 PM (nBBdT)

389 249
During my travels in my AO I found "Siege at Jadotville".



They made a movie about it but I am going to read the book first.



Posted by: Hairyback Guy





The movie is well worth a watch.

So I am going to have to do this in reverse. Seen the movie on Netflix, which was good, but not great. Now to read the book...

Posted by: Charlotte at May 20, 2018 04:01 PM (vDuQz)

390 Has this been linked yet? A very good article from City Journal on Tom Wolfe's California.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/tom-wolfe%E2%80%99s-california-13514.html

“Practically every style recorded in art history is the result of the same thing—a lot of attention to form plus the money to make monuments to it,” Wolfe wrote in the introduction to his first book. “But throughout history, everywhere this kind of thing took place, China, Egypt, France under the Bourbons, every place, it has been something the aristocracy was responsible for. What has happened in the United States since World War II, however, has broken that pattern. The war created money. It made massive infusions of money into every level of society. Suddenly classes of people whose styles of life had been practically invisible had the money to build monuments to their own styles.”

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 04:35 PM (qJtVm)

391 366 hey there, citizen @votermom, did you find an answer to your Roger Moore question?
Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 12:43 PM (y87Qq)

no not really

watching Flash Gordon now, coz Tim Dalton

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 20, 2018 05:14 PM (hMwEB)

392 Lot of books I would like reading. Between the S.E. Morison collection, the Roscoe books is one of my favorites by Hornfischer, The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors.

Posted by: f6f at May 20, 2018 05:36 PM (xD7Ps)

393 @388 --

So in short. Sir Walter argues that Virtue Is Its Own Reward.

Somebody way earlier disagreed, if you believe the theory that the ending of the Book of Job was tacked on by a second person who thought the initial book was depressing.

And much later, several someones thought the opposite by continually dumping more troubles on Spider-Man.

Surely there can be a happy medium?

Posted by: Weak Geek at May 20, 2018 05:42 PM (a4DII)

394 Re Roger Moore --

Skip his Bonds and watch "ffolkes."

Posted by: Weak Geek at May 20, 2018 05:48 PM (a4DII)

395 Thanks for all the Russian history reading suggestions.
About a month ago I decided to learn a new language. I took spanish in high school but sucked at it and that was decades ago. I could of chosen another latin language but decided on Russian because it sounds so alien. So I've been investing alot of time into slowly learning the language, typing in Cyrillic, having my mouth make weird guttural spitting noises (kh, shch, ts, zh, etc..)
I wanted to have some historical context while I learn so I've started reading "A Concise History of the Russian Revolution" and wondered where to go from there.

Posted by: bananaDream at May 20, 2018 06:14 PM (yRBj9)

396 The passing of Tom Wolfe has left me deeply torn. I feel a deep urge to re-read his novels and nonfiction. But I also have five new books in my absolutely-must-read stack. It's really cutting into my TV viewing time.Speaking of which, lots of Wolfe's video appearances are available on YouTube, which can be seen on a real TV if you have a streaming device or are a Comcast subscriber.What few of his fans know is that he wanted to be a professional baseball player and even had a pitching tryout with the then-New York Giants in the early '50s. Luckily for us, they didn't sign him.

Posted by: Outside Adjitator at May 20, 2018 06:15 PM (pXthv)

EMT 5/20/18

How many EMT would a woodchuck chuck?

Posted by: krakatoa at 06:00 AM




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1 Good Morning Morons; today is Sunday, May 20, 2018. On this day in 1873 Levi Strauss and Jacob Davis received a U.S. patent for blue jeans with copper rivets. Thus Levis were born.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 05:52 AM (mpXpK)

2 Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:52 AM (aC6Sd)

3 Some clues as to the motive of the TX school shooter.


http://tinyurl.com/y7mlh3ef

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 05:52 AM (mpXpK)

4 Trump is telling the DOJ and the FBI to release those documents related to putting a spy in his campaign to help Scankles.


http://tinyurl.com/ybjj2bar

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 05:53 AM (mpXpK)

5 G'mornin' Horde !

Thanks, krakatoa and Vic !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at May 20, 2018 05:53 AM (xJrIn)

6 Cohen file leaker caught in a lie and in addition he could go to jail for 5 years. If he does he will be the first in this mess to do so.


http://tinyurl.com/y8v4rual

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 05:53 AM (mpXpK)

7 Those new gun confiscation laws passed in FL, called 'Red Flag Laws' would have done nothing to prevent the TX school shooting. It has been said repeatedly gun control laws do not work and only hinder honest people.


http://tinyurl.com/y94yw7nn

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 05:53 AM (mpXpK)

8 But the Communist gov of CT doesn't believe in anything but gun confiscation. When these liberals tell you they only want common sense gun control laws they are lying out their ass. They want to illegally end the 2nd amendment and confiscate all guns from law abiding people.


http://tinyurl.com/y74fully

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 05:53 AM (mpXpK)

9 Ramirez



http://tinyurl.com/y97fhwb8


And that's it for today.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 05:54 AM (mpXpK)

10 It really is a slow news morning today.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 05:55 AM (mpXpK)

11 Coffee is up, how do you want it?

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:56 AM (aC6Sd)

12 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 05:58 AM (EyPfd)

13 Thanks Vic for the Newz

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 05:58 AM (8ikIW)

14 Coffee - hot, light cream and just a touch of some sweetener.

Why yes, a shot of whiskey will do nicely - thanks!

Posted by: Tonypete at May 20, 2018 06:01 AM (akHM/)

15 As of 9:25 PM yesterday, 4 Killed 13 wounded in Chicago.

I think it's time for my town to build a wall

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 06:01 AM (8ikIW)

16 It seems some people have been digging into the background of our dear friend, Mr. Halper. Short version- he goes back a long way. Hello GWB!

It really is stomach turning when you see what he's been involved in. This douchebag has been pulling strings longer than many of the horde have been alive. Not as long as Vic and me but still a long time.

A link to see for yourself- https://tinyurl.com/y7cesogu

Good morning horde.

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 06:04 AM (fsyyz)

17 Some clues as to the motive of the TX school shooter.

http://tinyurl.com/y7mlh3ef
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 05:52 AM (mpXpK)


Doesn't make sense. He's a homo. Rodriguez may be a self promoter, like Gavin Arvizo's mother.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 06:06 AM (/qEW2)

18 I tried to find what the original price of a pair of Levi jeans were since they go for around $40 now. But could not be located.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 06:06 AM (mpXpK)

19 Anyone know of a site with pictures of the victims of the Sante Fe school? We always see the killer but you have to really search to see the victims. They are the one who need to be seen and remembered.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:14 AM (aC6Sd)

20 19
Anyone know of a site with pictures of the victims of the Sante Fe
school? We always see the killer but you have to really search to see
the victims. They are the one who need to be seen and remembered.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:14 AM (aC6Sd)

I think it may be against the law to post pictures of minors in news sources.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 06:17 AM (mpXpK)

21 Bruce - to keep them in?

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:17 AM (aC6Sd)

22 4 Muzzie gunmen attacked an Eastern Orthodox Church in Chechnya. 1 churchgoer and 3 security personnel died. All the gunmen were killed.

In other words, they had armed security *on premises* which minimized the casualties. Our school administrators could learn a lot from this.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 06:18 AM (/qEW2)

23 22 In other words, they had armed security *on
premises* which minimized the casualties. Our school administrators
could learn a lot from this.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 06:18 AM (/qEW2)

Parkland did have an armed security on premises. He just didn't respond.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 06:21 AM (mpXpK)

24 But he got his $100K retirement.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 06:21 AM (mpXpK)

25 Bruce - to keep them in?
Posted by: Skip

That would be the best I think

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 06:23 AM (8ikIW)

26 There were pictures of the Florida school shooting, maybe it takes awhile until permission gets through. The link has a picture of Shana Fisher 16 one of the victims.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:24 AM (aC6Sd)

27 Americans owning firearms is not new. People trying to be internet famous is new. Societal decay is the real problem no one wants to face. Better to take inanimate objects from the normals. Way too hard to try to fix a vapid society. And if nothing else, people tapping on their smart/ dumb-ass phones will stop swerving into my lane.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 06:27 AM (n13/j)

28 There were pictures of the Florida school shooting, maybe it takes awhile until permission gets through. The link has a picture of Shana Fisher 16 one of the victims.
Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:24 AM (aC6Sd)


There are tons of pictures of the Pockystan exchange student. The media are pushing that as if she were the only victim.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 06:29 AM (/qEW2)

29 Father Sergiy, the priest at Archangel Michael Church, said a service was being held when participants heard shots and chants of "Allahu akbar" outside. He told the Russian state RIA Novosti news agency they scrambled to shut the doors and secured the bolts just as the assailants tried to break in.

Yes. When you hear people screaming "Allahu akbar", it's usually a good idea to bolt the doors. We'll need to learn this lesson, thanks to several decades of feckless presidents.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 06:35 AM (/qEW2)

30 We have an example of one solitary figure standing up and saying "Enough!" Sometimes, a single candle is enough to light the way through the outer darkness for those that follow.

We have such a candle now. This lone warrior for peace is leading the way. Quiet courage really is the way forward.

Elizabeth Warren has pledged to never take any money from the NRA. Courage.

What? Seriously, this is courageous. Why are you calling bs on this? No money. None. You just don't get it I guess.

No money.

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 06:35 AM (fsyyz)

31 I saw that debate on PC with Jordan Peterson, Stephen Frye and two humorless asshole leftists. Why does Peterson insist on equating "far right" with the far left. Is there even a functional "far right"? Is the "far left" any different than the left. He should really read Dinesh D'Souza about the actual roots of fascism.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 06:36 AM (H8QX8)

32 No money.
Posted by: weirdflunky

Shouldn't that be "wampum"?

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 06:37 AM (8ikIW)

33 Doesn't make sense. He's a homo. Rodriguez may be a self promoter, like Gavin Arvizo's mother.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 06:06 AM


He was wearing some sort of pin of some type advocating bi-sexuality or something. So could swing either way.

Funny thing for me was the two biggest horn-dogs in my high school, who went after the most chicks -- ended up gay. Hypersexuality -- if there is such a term. (I just checked, there is - definition below)

Sexual addiction or hypersexuality is defined as a dysfunctional preoccupation with sexual fantasy, often in combination with the obsessive pursuit of casual or non-intimate sex; pornography; compulsive masturbation; romantic intensity and objectified partner sex for a period of at least six months.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 20, 2018 06:37 AM (LOgQ4)

34 >>>Parkland did have an armed security on premises. He just didn't respond.

Maybe schools need to hire Russian security personnel. Maybe they're cold blooded enough to do the job. Palp might know.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 06:38 AM (/qEW2)

35 I think no one of any political stripe should give a dime to Warren. They should do this in solidarity. As an homage to her principled stand against her NRA benefactors.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 06:39 AM (n13/j)

36 Sexual addiction or hypersexuality is defined as a dysfunctional preoccupation with sexual fantasy, often in combination with the obsessive pursuit of casual or non-intimate sex; pornography; compulsive masturbation; romantic intensity and objectified partner sex for a period of at least six months.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 20, 2018 06:37 AM (LOgQ4)

Every teen aged boy ever? Or just me?

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 06:39 AM (fsyyz)

37 Wonder if MSNBC has gone onto the 'Spying to Protect Trump' bandwagon or is that a bold face lie to hard to swallow?

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:39 AM (aC6Sd)

38 Maybe they're cold blooded enough to do the job. Palp might know.
Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear

Probably cold blooded enough to just wing the little miscreants that ditching a class

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 06:39 AM (8ikIW)

39 "Elizabeth Warren has pledged to never take any money from the NRA. Courage. "

Oh but she'll take contributions from the NFFA. Hypocrite:

https://www.nfaausa.com/

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 06:40 AM (UdKB7)

40 "Why does Peterson insist on equating "far right" with the far left. Is there even a functional "far right"? Is the "far left" any different than the left."

Our Asian, overeducated meal friend likes to say "I think both sides are just too extreme?.


Of course she can never seem to name any particular extremism on the right, when asked.

Nor was she able to spot the inherent problem with the classic line about how hard it is to compromise when the Israelis want to live, and the Palestinians want to eradicate the Joos and the nation of Israel from the face of the earth.

Not to terribly bright...this one is.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 06:40 AM (EyPfd)

41 meal=female

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 06:40 AM (EyPfd)

42 NFAA. Pronounced "n faaa"

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 06:40 AM (UdKB7)

43 meal=female

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

I think Freud would have quite a lot to say about this.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 20, 2018 06:42 AM (xhZSJ)

44 Not to terribly bright...this one is.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

My sister is a big one for "why can't we just have a bipartisan agreement?"

I told her, because the lefties start off with wanting a billion dollars to study trans sexual tooth brushing. The people with some sense say, that's toooooo f'ing much. The lefties say okay, we'll settle for 50 million and if you don't give it to us we'll let everyone know you really hate tran sexuals....and children...and dogs...and brown people....and brown dogs....

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 06:44 AM (8ikIW)

45 Every teen aged boy ever? Or just me?

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 06:39 AM


I suppose most, to some degree. I could turn that shit off, at will. Because I was always busy, always tired.

Sports, a number of part time jobs, school. But every couple of weeks there would be boy/girl parties (usually run by the girls) where that switch would get thrown back 'on' again. Then I'd quench it again.

I was in no hurry to grow up. Still aren't.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 20, 2018 06:45 AM (LOgQ4)

46 "I think Freud would have quite a lot to say about this."

Talk to the auto-cucumber.

It has issues.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 06:47 AM (EyPfd)

47 I see Spike Lee has won a Grand Pricks awards. I didn't know he could even drive.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 06:47 AM (UdKB7)

48 So Halper got into campaign sought out russians and gave Bhussein info that lead HRC to fund pee pee dossier?

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 06:47 AM (JFO2v)

49 The 'far Right' is really next to 'far Left' was taught to me in high school, its not new. I knew it was crap then, and has become a pet peeve of mine since then.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:48 AM (aC6Sd)

50 Prix. My autocucumber has become sentient.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 06:48 AM (UdKB7)

51 So what exactly is wrong with David Hoggs generation that prevents them from functioning in a civilized and armed society, often resorting to violence when emotionally challenged?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 06:49 AM (EyPfd)

52 11 Coffee is up, how do you want it?
Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 05:56 AM (aC6Sd)

Stiff and black

Posted by: Dutchess Meghan at May 20, 2018 06:49 AM (Ymy4N)

53 "Stiff and black"

Is it really true that their first dance at the reception was that Britney Spears classic...


Whoops, I did it again?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 06:50 AM (EyPfd)

54 Laurel. Yanny. Laurel. Yanny.

Monin'!

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at May 20, 2018 06:51 AM (pxOl8)

55 The far right BS is total bullshit. You realize the far right are Marxist also. They have no prob using the force of Big Govt to enforce their rules on race and religion.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 06:51 AM (JFO2v)

56 Obama was behind all of this BS. Not to defeat Trump but to put him in jail after Trump lost the election. That little tongue lashing that Bammy gave Trump at the corres. dinner was just a taste of his hatred for Trump.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 06:52 AM (Ymy4N)

57 49 That line was started by the Soviets early WWII to distance themselves from the Nazis, can't have a adversary along your own concept of goverment.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:52 AM (aC6Sd)

58 Prix. My autocucumber has become sentient.
Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 06:48 AM (UdKB7)


You got it right the first time. And what's wrong with the name "freaked"? You've got nothing to be ashamed of.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 06:55 AM (/qEW2)

59 30 Elizabeth Warren has pledged to never take any money from the NRA. Courage.



What? Seriously, this is courageous. Why are you calling bs on this? No money. None. You just don't get it I guess.



No money.

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 06:35 AM (fsyyz)

The NRA would never give Lyingwatha any money. She is a gun graber.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 06:55 AM (mpXpK)

60 49 The 'far Right' is really next to 'far Left' was taught to me in high school, its not new. I knew it was crap then, and has become a pet peeve of mine since then.
Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:48 AM (aC6Sd)

There is no far right or alt right. These are just Marxist that decided to add race or religion (hum what was that guy in Germany) to the mix.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 06:55 AM (JFO2v)

61 55 yeah. When I hear far right, I hear statist, not my kinda guys.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 06:55 AM (n13/j)

62 56 Obama was behind all of this BS.

Oh yes! Ghussein knew Trump would undo all of his pen and phone edicts in a heartbeat.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 06:57 AM (JFO2v)

63 I had my auto off but somehow a update got it back on, got to watch it as it tries to change words constantly

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:58 AM (aC6Sd)

64 "And what's wrong with the name "freaked"? You've got nothing to be ashamed of."

Well there was that one incident at band camp.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 06:59 AM (UdKB7)

65 "57 49 That line was started by the Soviets early WWII to distance themselves from the Nazis, can't have a adversary along your own concept of goverment.
Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:52 AM (aC6Sd)"

BOOM. This.
To an orthodox Communist, anyone a quarter-inch to the right of Marx/Lenin/Stalin was a "rightist".
Like many another concept of orthodox Communism, this was adopted wholeheartedly by our media and academia.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez, they are gaslighting us 24/365 at May 20, 2018 07:00 AM (xJrIn)

66 Right wing in Europe are the Nazis which were "National Socialists". In the US right wing is generally conservatives. So it depends on where you are at.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 07:01 AM (mpXpK)

67 Went to a screening of Wrath of Khan with a long Q/A after with William Shatner last night.


Pretty fucking awesome.



Shatner is 82 years old and can command a stage with the best of them.
Took a shot at George Takai, Said he and Nimoy were good friends and hawked his upcoming album.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 20, 2018 07:01 AM (UfMVm)

68 66 Right wing in Europe are the Nazis which were "National Socialists". In the US right wing is generally conservatives. So it depends on where you are at.
Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 07:01 AM (mpXpK)

But the so called far right or alt right here in the US are Marxist willing to use Big Govt to force behavior. The far right in the US are Libertarians.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 07:03 AM (JFO2v)

69 Shatner is 82 years old and can command a stage with the best of them.
Took a shot at George Takai, Said he and Nimoy were good friends and hawked his upcoming album.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 20, 2018 07:01 AM (UfMVm)

Capn Kirk would bang anything.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 07:04 AM (JFO2v)

70 heard Levi Strauss Co donates to anti gun causes. no mo levis for me. Wranglers only.

Posted by: Adobe Juan Calhoon Kenobe at May 20, 2018 07:05 AM (Uvurs)

71 I thought the right was like the right side of the brain, rational and reasoning, and the left is like the left side of the brain, emotional and insane.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 07:06 AM (UdKB7)

72 "Capn Kirk would bang anything"

"Pansexual" is inadequate to describe our captain.

Posted by: Mr Spock at May 20, 2018 07:07 AM (UdKB7)

73 70 heard Levi Strauss Co donates to anti gun causes. no mo levis for me. Wranglers only.
Posted by: Adobe Juan Calhoon Kenobe at May 20, 2018 07:05 AM (Uvurs)

I remember the big not Boy Scout movement by Levis. As for jeans I like the real banana repub with leather label.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 07:07 AM (JFO2v)

74 Right wing in Europe are the Nazis which were "National Socialists". In the US right wing is generally conservatives. So it depends on where you are at.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 07:01 AM


Exactly. And a 'fundamentalist' Christian in the USA is a helluva lot different then a 'fundamentalist' Muslim. They both may want to convert you, but one is using a sword or a scimitar and might just lope off your head.

To the left they're exactly the same. Except they consider the Muslim less threatening.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 20, 2018 07:07 AM (LOgQ4)

75 Politics are generally banned at the miniature website but every once in a while the Left/Right thing does come up and being a international site it is hard to always know when someone defines it what is their perspective.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 07:08 AM (aC6Sd)

76
You spelled "chunk" wrong.
its:
How much wood could a woodchunk chunk,
if a woodchunk could chunk woodchunk
chunk wood woodchunk could chunk chunk
wood could chunk woodchunk
wood chu.
woof ah uh,
yes.

With warmest memories of "Pogo"

Posted by: Put that kid back where it came from or So Help Me at May 20, 2018 07:08 AM (HPNqc)

77 I have never heard of big "L" Libertarians referred to as 'far right'. The whole right wing/left wing meme came about during the French Revolution and it referred to which side of the French Parliement members sat. The "right" side favored the traditional monarchists and the left side favored the new socialist French revolutionaries.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 07:08 AM (mpXpK)

78 "Capn Kirk would bang anything"

"Pansexual" is inadequate to describe our captain.

Posted by: Mr Spock at May 20, 2018 07:07 AM


Like you don't turn into a horny bastid during pan farr.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 20, 2018 07:09 AM (LOgQ4)

79 The term 'far right' was invented by the MFM a few years ago to describe any Republican who did not support Democrat communist practices.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 07:09 AM (mpXpK)

80 To the left they're exactly the same. Except they consider the Muslim less threatening.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 20, 2018 07:07 AM (LOgQ4)

Yes, because they both have no prob using Big Govt to control people. Christians believe in free will and are responsible for about 99% of the success of the US and free market.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 07:10 AM (JFO2v)

81 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 20, 2018 07:11 AM (KCxzN)

82 Ok I've got to make the pancakes. Anybody want freaky pancakes?

Posted by: freaked at May 20, 2018 07:11 AM (UdKB7)

83 Not a nationalist, but a patriot, huge difference there. Not a
populist, but a libertarian, a rugged individualist. Basically,
nationalist/populist could not be further from my identification.
However, I realize these words mean different things to different
people.

The adversary is clear.Sstatists who have zero grounding in American
Civilization are dominant, they want to take anyone down who is not a radical leftist. They want to anihliiate American Civilization. and the Constitution.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 07:13 AM (n13/j)

84 GWB?

Nah. I think Halper goes back to GHWB.

Posted by: JAS at May 20, 2018 07:13 AM (ii30j)

85 The MFM often referred to members of the Tea Party movement as 'far right' while people like McShitty were just 'right wing'.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 07:14 AM (mpXpK)

86 pansexual, is that someone who really really like bread?

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 07:15 AM (n13/j)

87 82 Ok I've got to make the pancakes. Anybody want freaky pancakes?
Posted by: freaked at May 20, 2018 07:11 AM (UdKB7)
----

Are these your famous rainbow MDMA pancakes?

*holds plate up*

Mornin' all.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 07:15 AM (qJtVm)

88
I never did 'get' the Spock/pan farr episode in Star Trek. He hijacked the ship to return to Vulcan. In the end, no trial, no execution?

Disappointing.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 20, 2018 07:16 AM (LOgQ4)

89 Still waiting for the ones who screech about not blaming all Muslims for Islamic based atrocities to step up,

and demand that we not blame all the legal gun owners for the illegal and senseless violent acts of this younger generation of mostly liberal yutes.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 07:16 AM (EyPfd)

90 Disappointing.
Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 20, 2018 07:16 AM (LOgQ4)
---

"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 20, 2018 07:17 AM (qJtVm)

91 The real problem is the MFM has debased the language so bad that most all these terms like far right, conservative, etc have become largely meaningless. They change the meaning every time they want to grind a liberal ax.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at May 20, 2018 07:20 AM (mpXpK)

92 I wish I could find some women's jeans that do not have that stretchy elastic in them!....

Posted by: KWDreaming at May 20, 2018 07:22 AM (Z1I24)

93 "After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes


Spock, ftw.

Sort of a variation of 'Be careful what you ask for -- you might just get it.'

I can't find who said that. Probably Chinese.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 20, 2018 07:24 AM (LOgQ4)

94 The adversary is clear.Sstatists who have zero grounding in American
Civilization are dominant, they want to take anyone down who is not a radical leftist. They want to anihliiate American Civilization. and the Constitution.
Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 07:13 AM (n13/j)

The entire all cultures are good and equal is total bullshit. Watch Apocalypto which is a very realistic view of America before the Europeans. Yes the Catholics were hard on the Indians but most Christians were just trying to make a better life. We are about 500 years from the Europeans coming here and about 200 years since our government forced Natives off their land. But leftist still equal sins of 200 to 500 years ago to current mohammedan tactics.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 07:24 AM (JFO2v)

95 I wish I could find some women's jeans that do not have that stretchy elastic in them!....
Posted by: KWDreaming

I saw a woman at the store the other day whose elastic in her pants had given up the fight.

You want me to find out if she'll sell them?

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 07:24 AM (8ikIW)

96 Nah. I think Halper goes back to GHWB.
Posted by: JAS at May 20, 2018 07:13 AM (ii30j)

You are correct of course. My fingers don't always follow the orders of my brain. My bad.

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 07:25 AM (fsyyz)

97 and demand that we not blame all the legal gun owners for the illegal and senseless violent acts of this younger generation of mostly liberal yutes.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 07:16 AM (EyPfd)

Not gonna happen. Marxist are finally coming out and saying that guns must be banned and confiscated. It starts out that no one needs an AR, then no one need a 1911, and then no one needs a muzzle loading pistol. (except the MS animals)

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 07:29 AM (JFO2v)

98 >>>>>Wonder if MSNBC has gone onto the 'Spying to Protect Trump' bandwagon or is that a bold face lie to hard to swallow?

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 06:39 AM...Someone is obviously still sending out scripts, just not sure who it is.

We have literally crossed the sanity Rubicon when the msm collectively calls Trump insane for hinting that obama tapped his phones during the campaign and should be removed from office because he is unfit to even suggest such a thing, to now saying that obama tapped his phones and put a spy(s) into his campaign to protect him from Russia.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 20, 2018 07:32 AM (+Dllb)

99 "I think Freud would have quite a lot to say about this."

Talk to the auto-cucumber.

It has issues.


I think Freud would have a lot to say about your possession of an "automatic cucumber," as well.

Posted by: mikeski at May 20, 2018 07:33 AM (JGBbg)

100 We have literally crossed the sanity Rubicon when the msm collectively calls Trump insane for hinting that obama tapped his phones during the campaign and should be removed from office because he is unfit to even suggest such a thing, to now saying that obama tapped his phones and put a spy(s) into his campaign to protect him from Russia.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman

MSM...Why do you make us hurt you?

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 07:33 AM (8ikIW)

101 I think Freud would have a lot to say about your possession of an "automatic cucumber," as well.
Posted by: mikeski

Automatic??? AHHHhhhh, it's an assault cucumber!!!

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 07:34 AM (8ikIW)

102 One by one Leftists are pulling off the mask of 'common sence gun control' and showing 'total gun ban'.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 07:35 AM (aC6Sd)

103 94 I don't doubt that they were fed enough pop history by SJW frauds to hate their nation and want to radically transform it to something else. But I also believe they have no loyalty or pride because they really do not have any grounding in their own nation's history.

To them, the US just happens to be wealthy and safe by chance. No one worked for this, no on sacrificed for this. These people want to disfigure the nation because they have never been taught anything positive about the place. Go to any social media site. You get lefties and foreigners bashing Americans as stupid and fat. Funny, then how did the USA become so powerful? These people will blink when you corner them on that, they truly have no idea.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 07:35 AM (n13/j)

104 now saying that obama tapped his phones and put a spy(s) into his campaign to protect him from Russia.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 20, 2018 07:32 AM (+Dllb)

So 110% of what Trump said is TRUE. So the drive by media now claims it was done to help Trump. So for almost 2 years we heard that Trump was crazy and now we hear that all of the conspiracy theories are not just true but supported by Big Govt.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 07:37 AM (JFO2v)

105 What should be obvious is that the "inner circle" has been trying to dictate the presidential choices for years.
They just messed up that ONE time, and look what's unraveling!
Who really wanted McStain? Romulus?

Posted by: MarkY at May 20, 2018 07:37 AM (JbTDu)

106 "Automatic??? AHHHhhhh, it's an assault cucumber!!!"

It has that green thing...that goes UP!!

Eleventy!!!!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 07:39 AM (EyPfd)

107 So Dem strat for November
higher taxes
no guns
cakes baked at gunpoint
mediscare for all
free college indoctrination
a dick in every ladies bathroom

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 07:39 AM (JFO2v)

108 107
...and no bad-think. Don't forget the bad-think.

Posted by: MarkY at May 20, 2018 07:40 AM (JbTDu)

109 The Preakness field, seen faster horses running from the glue factory.

Upset>Justify

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 07:41 AM (Ymy4N)

110 Good news is it hasn't rained since I got up

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 07:41 AM (aC6Sd)

111 just one last note on the royal wedding:

in the 45 years since secretariat's triple crown triumph, "big red" still owns the track records for the kentucky derby, preakness and belmont races.

that's phenomenal - no other athletic achievement has stood the test of time as secretariat's.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 20, 2018 07:41 AM (Pg+x7)

112 I never did 'get' the Spock/pan farr episode in Star Trek. He hijacked the ship to return to Vulcan. In the end, no trial, no execution?

What is "theft" in a post-scarcity utopia?

Posted by: mikeski at May 20, 2018 07:42 AM (JGBbg)

113 ... did i say royal wedding? i meant the preakness.

sorry about that.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 20, 2018 07:42 AM (Pg+x7)

114 Hoping for rain at the Belmont, has to help Justify. Wonder if there has ever been a rained on Triple Crown.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 07:43 AM (aC6Sd)

115 ... did i say royal wedding? i meant the preakness.

sorry about that.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp

That's okay. A lot of big crooked teeth at both events

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 07:45 AM (8ikIW)

116 (... and secretariat won the belmont by 31 lengths! admittedly it was against a field of 4 other horses - no one wanted to enter the race against him - but still, that's incredible.)

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 20, 2018 07:45 AM (Pg+x7)

117 Perspective, or maybe relativity. North Dakota field operator sent to Casper WY for training. Stories about big city bright lights. Why would anyone live in a big city? (Casper population at the time about 40,000).

One redeeming feature, they have a lot of pretty women down south.

Posted by: The Real Bruce at May 20, 2018 07:45 AM (mf8ki)

118 Good news is it hasn't rained since I got up

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 07:41 AM


Give it some time:

1:00 pm Chance of Rain 37%
3:00 pm Chance of Rain 36%
4:00 pm Chance of a Thunderstorm 46%

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 20, 2018 07:46 AM (LOgQ4)

119 115: bruce:

thank you. sometimes it's confusing.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 20, 2018 07:46 AM (Pg+x7)

120 "The Preakness field, seen faster horses running from the glue factory. "


As much rain as we have had in the last week, I was expecting it to look more like the Assateague Island pony swim.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 07:46 AM (EyPfd)

121 108 107
...and no bad-think. Don't forget the bad-think.
Posted by: MarkY at May 20, 2018 07:40 AM (JbTDu)

Which can change daily. gays we must accept. same sex partner benefits. civil unions. gay marriage. All happened in my lifetime.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 07:47 AM (JFO2v)

122 Warning! Super paranoid side emerging! Warning!


Since the "insurance policy" didn't work to get rid of Trump. "They" still have the unspoken insurance policy just sitting there. I see no way that they let Trump serve two terms. He can do entirely too much damage to what they've built for themselves. We all know "they" could if they decided to.

Turns down paranoia down from eleventy! to its usual 8.

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 07:47 AM (fsyyz)

123 Capn Kirk would bang anything.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 07:04 AM


He rocked.

Posted by: The Horta at May 20, 2018 07:48 AM (DMUuz)

124 The complaint by a few is the Belmont is used to set up with ringers use to the longer race to stop a Triple Crown contender.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 07:49 AM (aC6Sd)

125 Ok I've got to make the pancakes. Anybody want freaky pancakes?
Posted by: freaked at May 20, 2018 07:11 AM (UdKB7)


Just don't do anything gay into the batter.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 07:49 AM (/qEW2)

126 https://tinyurl.com/y7qfccfc
Everybody sing!
Starbucks . . . is nice to the homeless.Staaarbucks . . . super cool to the homeless.In the cityyyyy . . . city SeattleThey take really good care . . . of all their homeless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2zGFXaPn0o

Posted by: Revenant at May 20, 2018 07:49 AM (G+VT+)

127 The entire all cultures are good and equal is total bullshit.
Posted by: rhennigantx


Even the Left doesn't believe that. (They just say it.)

Your culture is inferior, you First-World pig-dog. The rest are good and equal.

And no, you can't fix yours by borrowing from theirs. That's cultural appropration, which is just as bad as just being (white, middle class, American, Christian, heterosexual, male, rule-of-law, work-over-welfare, etc.) in the first place.

And no, you can't balance things out by donating parts of your culture to theirs. That's cultural imperialism, which is just as bad as (yadda yadda).

Posted by: mikeski at May 20, 2018 07:49 AM (JGBbg)

128 Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 07:47 AM (fsyyz)

Well, if you're a praying person I assume you've been praying every day for the safety of President Trump and his family from all enemies foreign and domestic, and that you will continue to do so. "Pray more, worry less" as the saying goes. If not, it's always a good idea to tun down paranoia from eleventy to 8 anyway if you can. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2018 07:51 AM (vw6r3)

129
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 07:47 AM (fsyyz)
---------
'Mornin.

I thought the insurance policy was the fake dossier and investigation.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 07:51 AM (MVjcR)

130 It would be the ultimate irony if within a year all this coup collapsed, indictments for a dozen conspirators and Democrats became a endangered species.

I can dream can't I?

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 07:52 AM (aC6Sd)

131 116 (... and secretariat won the belmont by 31 lengths! admittedly it was against a field of 4 other horses - no one wanted to enter the race against him - but still, that's incredible.)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 20, 2018 07:45 AM (Pg+x7)

"incredible" is a gross understatement.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 07:52 AM (Ymy4N)

132 "Just don't do anything gay into the batter."

My pancakes are the best. So light and fluffy white.

Posted by: freaked at May 20, 2018 07:52 AM (UdKB7)

133 I thought the insurance policy was the fake dossier and investigation.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 07:51 AM (MVjcR)

Yes. I was referencing the unspoken insurance policy that is ALWAYS sitting there as a fail safe.

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 07:53 AM (fsyyz)

134 500 Internal Server Error
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Traceback (most recent call last):
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Posted by: ALH at May 20, 2018 07:54 AM (cAj82)

135 122 Warning! Super paranoid side emerging! Warning!

You are not paranoid if the really are out to get you. What is funny is that many conservative think the left hates Trump and loves them. That is just fukn stupid. They hate you. They hate your family. And your dog. Bipartisan is stupid. It is like DACA, it started out to help 800k now the number is about 3 Million.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 07:54 AM (JFO2v)

136 What does that mean?

Posted by: ALH at May 20, 2018 07:54 AM (cAj82)

137 Yes. I was referencing the unspoken insurance policy that is ALWAYS sitting there as a fail safe.
Posted by: weirdflunky

You mean the Clinton Policy?

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 07:54 AM (8ikIW)

138 Just a note: If anyone has a prayer request for Wednesday prayer list please send it to me today by 9:00 EST for inclusion in the Wednesday "Daily Rant". I am going to a conference today through Tuesday about 7;00 p.m. EST (where I will be on a prayer team), will not have internet access and need to send the list to Oregon Muse this morning. Thanks.
Send any prayer requests to:

FenelonDirection18 (at sign) g mail.com

Keep on praying!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2018 07:54 AM (vw6r3)

139 Local TV stations news (from Yahoo): President Trump can't spell his wife's name, that shows he is an idiot.
I modified if slightly, but that was the leading story...

Posted by: Colin at May 20, 2018 07:54 AM (yLA6Y)

140 Posted by: ALH at May 20, 2018 07:54 AM (cAj82)

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Have you ever met my good friend Barrel?

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 07:55 AM (fsyyz)

141
Yes. I was referencing the unspoken insurance policy that is ALWAYS sitting there as a fail safe.
Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 07:53 AM (fsyyz)
--------
Gotcha. Sorry. No coffee yet.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 07:55 AM (MVjcR)

142 What does that mean?

Posted by: ALH at May 20, 2018 07:54 AM

It means you are trying to sneak some character past Pixy that is prohibited. Are you using a 'smart' phone with fancy punctuation turned on?

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 20, 2018 07:55 AM (LOgQ4)

143 Too paranoid?
I'm beginning to think we weren't (aren't) enough.
If they can do what they've done to the president, what makes you think a congresscritter or Supreme Court justice is immune?

Posted by: MarkY at May 20, 2018 07:55 AM (JbTDu)

144 "What does that mean?"

Nothing.

Just a small blip in the software.

Carry on.

Posted by: Bob, from NSA Google at May 20, 2018 07:55 AM (EyPfd)

145 What does that mean?
Posted by: ALH

Not sure, but it's probably something to do with porn

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 07:56 AM (8ikIW)

146 I get that message a lot when I try to post from my phone.

I need a Hero!

Posted by: ALH at May 20, 2018 07:56 AM (cAj82)

147 Good luck for ALH-the Barrel only opens at 10 on Sundays.

Posted by: Mornin' MiklosBot at May 20, 2018 07:57 AM (zCyNd)

148 124 The complaint by a few is the Belmont is used to set up with ringers use to the longer race to stop a Triple Crown contender.
Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 07:49 AM (aC6Sd)

Happens all the time. Like when they brought Citation back to become the first horse to win a million. Total set up, stable mate finish 2nd, no whip

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 07:57 AM (Ymy4N)

149 Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 07:54 AM (JFO2v)

Can't hate my dog. I don't have one. ;^)

I differentiate between crazy leftists I don't know and people who voted for Hillary who are much more liberal than I am. The latter people some of whom have known and loved me for years and are christian brothers and sisters, and know that i voted for Trump-have been as loving to me as they have always been. I'm not going to give up friends because they voted for Hillary.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 20, 2018 07:58 AM (vw6r3)

150
Turn off the fancy punctuation on your smart phone. Settings somewhere. Or don't use quotes (" ") or commas ever again.

Posted by: Forgot My Nic at May 20, 2018 07:58 AM (LOgQ4)

151 Good luck for ALH-the Barrel only opens at 10 on Sundays.
Posted by: Mornin' MiklosBot

Once it does open though, it's a champagne buffet...at least that's what the sign says

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 07:58 AM (8ikIW)

152 143 Too paranoid?
I'm beginning to think we weren't (aren't) enough.
If they can do what they've done to the president, what makes you think a congresscritter or Supreme Court justice is immune?
Posted by: MarkY at May 20, 2018 07:55 AM (JbTDu)

Remember how the media said Bhuessein was getting all of these threat and then it came out about the same as Bush. So why no reports on Trump threats?

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 07:58 AM (JFO2v)

153 The only part that matters is:

UnicodeEncodeError: 'latin-1' codec can't encode character u'\u2019'

Unicode character 2019 is a "right single quotation mark". So find a way to not use "smart" quotes.

Posted by: mikeski at May 20, 2018 07:58 AM (JGBbg)

154 So Mrs VIA chopped, and put some fresh onions in the fridge yesterday.

Now every time I open the fridge door, between the eyes watering, and the sneezing...

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 07:58 AM (EyPfd)

155 >>>pansexual, is that someone who really really like bread?

People who are sexually attracted to Zamfir.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 07:59 AM (/qEW2)

156 @122

I dont think the deep state is quite to the point of executing a sic semper tyranus operation, but they are getting close.

I would say that becomes a greater reality if the IG report drops and its everything weve been told it was and more and the main operators begin being rolled up.

The case for Mueller continuing his witching goes away and he may eventually be implicated in all of this.

In that case the deep state will want revenge and will want to send the ultimate message.

I hope and pray the SS has flushed out any the holdover incompetents and dead beats from the Obama administration and hasnt been infiltrated like the IC and LE apparatus has.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 20, 2018 07:59 AM (UfMVm)

157 Now every time I open the fridge door, between the eyes watering, and the sneezing...
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentic

Happens to me when I open Hillary's bedroom door in the morning...

...HUma Na Huma NA...

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 08:00 AM (8ikIW)

158 "What does that mean?"

Your python boot is too tight.

Posted by: freaked at May 20, 2018 08:00 AM (UdKB7)

159 Mr. H's cousin passed away yesterday. He complained of a headache on Tuesday and after taking a Tylenol, he couldn't lift his head. His wife took him to the Emergency Room, and they discovered a blood clot in one of the arteries in his neck.
Doctors did surgery to remove the blood clot, giving him a 50-50 chance of survival.
Once the clot was gone, the blood it had been holding back rushed into his brain.
By Friday, he was pronounced brain dead. They took him off life support yesterday morning.
It's scary how fast things can go south on you. Be kind to your loved ones while you still can.

Posted by: ALH at May 20, 2018 08:01 AM (cAj82)

160
I hope and pray the SS has flushed out any the holdover incompetents and dead beats from the Obama administration and hasnt been infiltrated like the IC and LE apparatus has.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 20, 2018 07:59 AM (UfMVm)

I think "they" would make sure that base was always covered. No matter what else they may be up to, they always have people inserted there, just in case. I know I would.

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 08:02 AM (fsyyz)

161 156
I hope and pray the SS has flushed out any the holdover incompetents and dead beats from the Obama administration and hasnt been infiltrated like the IC and LE apparatus has.
Posted by: Kreplach at May 20, 2018 07:59 AM (UfMVm)

The point is that these holdovers span several administrations, from BOTH major parties. It truly seems there is a uni-party and we are all patsies for believing otherwise.

Posted by: MarkY at May 20, 2018 08:02 AM (JbTDu)

162
I saw Mark Robinson's speech at the NRA convention. That guy is good, real good at public speaking. I'd love to see him debate the left. He'd tear them apart. If the Republicans had any brains (which they don't) they should see if he'd run for office.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 20, 2018 08:03 AM (SiINZ)

163 I wonder if anyone ever made a pan flute out of bread.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 08:03 AM (n13/j)

164 What does that mean?

Its very long computer talk that means No.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 08:03 AM (aC6Sd)

165 Close the government schools now, before more senseless acts of violence, sexual assault and depravity our visited upon our utes.

More coffee.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 08:04 AM (EoRCO)

166 It's scary how fast things can go south on you. Be kind to your loved ones while you still can.
Posted by: ALH

Scary indeed. It's amazing what modern medicine can do, and what it cannot

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 08:04 AM (8ikIW)

167 http://bit.ly/2pzN8nS
+++++
Stefan Halper Agent Provocateur - In His Own Words

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 08:04 AM (y3aQB)

168 Local TV stations news (from Yahoo): President Trump can't spell his wife's name, that shows he is an idiot.
I modified if slightly, but that was the leading story...

Posted by: Colin at May 20, 2018 07:54 AM (yLA6Y)



Yahoo also has a top "story" that Tina Fey was on SNL doing the Sarah Palin routine. Talk about utterly irrelevant and not funny. Yahoo is trying to be the most left wing site out there. I hope Verizon enjoys losing lots of business over it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 20, 2018 08:05 AM (SiINZ)

169 Its very long computer talk that means No.

Considering they normally speak in 0s and 1s, that is kinda wordy.

Posted by: mikeski at May 20, 2018 08:05 AM (JGBbg)

170 Uniparty? Pshaw.

By the way, that photo I saw on another site earlier this morning with a very young Bubba, GHWB and George Wallace (yes that George Wallace) sitting at the same table at some kinda picnic thing, laughing and hand shaking, is not evidence of a uniparty.

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 08:05 AM (fsyyz)

171 Can the Catlicks find someone not interested in widdle boys dicks ??

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 08:06 AM (Ymy4N)

172 http://bit.ly/2IDdVac
++++
This is the right link for story from Sundance on Stefan Halper

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 08:06 AM (y3aQB)

173 Why do people pretend SNL was ever funny? We always talk about when SNL was funny, but is that really true? Maybe a few weeks in the 1970s, but come on, let's face it, it was never really funny.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 08:07 AM (n13/j)

174 What does that mean?
Posted by: ALH at May 20, 2018 07:54 AM (cAj82)


It means the jokes about "1995 blog software"? Too generous.

Look for a single curly quote, that's what u2019 is. Those weren't invented until 1998.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 08:08 AM (y87Qq)

175 Why do people pretend SNL was ever funny? We always talk about when SNL was funny, but is that really true? Maybe a few weeks in the 1970s, but come on, let's face it, it was never really funny.
Posted by: Quint

There were some good bits and characters. Even with those, by the time they usually shot their joke was within the first half hour

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 08:08 AM (8ikIW)

176 shot their joke was

Supposed to be ...joke wad

Posted by: Bruce at May 20, 2018 08:09 AM (8ikIW)

177 163 I wonder if anyone ever made a pan flute out of bread.
Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 08:03 AM (n13/j)


Oboe maybe

Posted by: SHEP at May 20, 2018 08:09 AM (Ymy4N)

178 Why do people pretend SNL was ever funny? We always talk about when SNL was funny, but is that really true? Maybe a few weeks in the 1970s, but come on, let's face it, it was never really funny.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 08:07 AM (n13/j)



It's been more not funny than funny. I thought it was good with the Phil Hartman, Chris Farley cast but that was 20 years ago. What keeps it on the air is a mystery

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 20, 2018 08:09 AM (SiINZ)

179 I hope and pray the SS has flushed out any the holdover incompetents and dead beats from the Obama administration and hasnt been infiltrated like the IC and LE apparatus has. "

I hope that a magic flying unicorn that farts rainbows and shits skittles will be standing on my doorstep this morning. And I think my hope is more realistic than yours.

(I've been to an SS office; are any anglos even allowed to work there?)

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 08:10 AM (V2Yro)

180 t's been more not funny than funny. I thought it was
good with the Phil Hartman, Chris Farley cast but that was 20 years
ago. What keeps it on the air is a mystery

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 20, 2018 08:09 AM (SiINZ)

the dictionary definition of being famous for being famous.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 08:11 AM (n13/j)

181 shot their joke was

Supposed to be ...joke wad

Posted by: Bruce


Probably more accurate the first way.

Posted by: mikeski at May 20, 2018 08:12 AM (JGBbg)

182 I hope and pray the SS .....
Posted by: Kreplach at May 20, 2018 07:59 AM (UfMVm)


ya,ya,ya

Posted by: Himmler at May 20, 2018 08:12 AM (Ymy4N)

183 Boker tov Horde.

I'm not on Twitter so I'm shocked at the stupidity of the responses to the Max Boot tweet in the sidebar. I would exoect living in the belly of the beast I would have heard it all. But, no. These people scare me, they are utterly irrational and I presume their nutty views are a product of exposure to the MSM.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 20, 2018 08:13 AM (EZebt)

184 Warning! Super paranoid side emerging! Warning!

Since the "insurance policy" didn't work to get rid of Trump. "They" still have the unspoken insurance policy just sitting there. I see no way that they let Trump serve two terms. He can do entirely too much damage to what they've built for themselves. We all know "they" could if they decided to.


Meh. It's like Iran and Israel. I think Iranians are too stupid to pose a serious threat to Israel. Same with the Donald. I think his enemies are too stupid to cause him any harm. He probably anticipated that before he decided to run.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 08:14 AM (/qEW2)

185 read a Max Boot book once, it sucked. And his name sounds made up.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 08:15 AM (n13/j)

186 http://bit.ly/2LdpOFI
+++++
The FBI Informant Who Monitored the Trump Campaign, Stefan Halper, Oversaw a CIA Spying Operation in the 1980 Presidential Election

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 08:15 AM (y3aQB)

187 The FBI SPY Who Monitored the Trump Campaign, Stefan Halper, Oversaw a CIA Spying Operation in the 1980 Presidential Election
Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 08:15 AM (y3aQB)

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 08:17 AM (JFO2v)

188 I hope Stefan Halper does not turn out to be Stephen Harper. That would be too easy amirite?

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 08:17 AM (n13/j)

189 http://bit.ly/2LeF7OB
+++++
MENA: BARRY SEAL
+++++
Just for people who think that the "Deep State" is a overnight sensation

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 08:19 AM (y3aQB)

190 Back in my young and stupid days....I sometimes watched the introduction to SNL and then knew the rest wasn't worth my time...They usually did "shoot their wad" in the first 5 minutes.

Posted by: Colin at May 20, 2018 08:19 AM (yLA6Y)

191 The latter people some of whom have known and loved me for years and are christian brothers and sisters, and know that i voted for Trump-have been as loving to me as they have always been. I'm not going to give up friends because they voted for Hillary."

I have a female relative who I've always gotten along with, who got freaky in support of Hillary. Of course with her, it was a personal issue - she's a "closet" lesbian (meaning she dresses like a middle aged man, she looks like a middle aged man, and she acts like a middle aged man, so there's not much of a secret about it) She's also never been very political - but someone told her that Trump was going to round up all the gays and put them in concentration camps, and she believed it (who knows why) and after that she just freaked out anytime his name was mentioned.

So we still talk and are friendly, and we are just careful to never, ever mention anything political at all.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 08:21 AM (V2Yro)

192 How/why does Halper become chairman of Palmer National Bank? Can you spell CIA?

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 08:22 AM (fsyyz)

193 Back in my young and stupid days....I sometimes watched the introduction to SNL and then knew the rest wasn't worth my time...They usually did "shoot their wad" in the first 5 minutes.
Posted by: Colin at May 20, 2018 08:19 AM (yLA6Y)


It was 50/50 when I stopped watching in 1998ish. There were still some good sketches, but few and getting fewer.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 08:22 AM (y87Qq)

194 Can you spell CIA?

Spell CIA? No clue.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 20, 2018 08:24 AM (oVJmc)

195 When SNL started, there was nothing else on TV at that time of the evening so they filled a void.

Not much has changed. The only reason it is still on the air is politics. It should be called the DNC Comedy Hour.

More coffee.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 08:24 AM (EoRCO)

196 Why do people pretend SNL was ever funny? We always talk about when SNL was funny, but is that really true? Maybe a few weeks in the 1970s, but come on, let's face it, it was never really funny.
Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 08:07 AM (n13/j)


I thought Aykroyd as Nixon calling Belushi as Kissinger "Jew boy!" was pretty funny.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 08:25 AM (/qEW2)

197 Can you spell CIA?"

C....

help me out here

Posted by: BEN RO, er TERRY BRADSHAW at May 20, 2018 08:26 AM (7LY+6)

198 So we still talk and are friendly, and we are just careful to never, ever mention anything political at all.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2018 08:21 AM (V2Yro)

Same here, sounds like a friend I have. We have breakfast together at a diner every Friday morning. We talk about lots of things, but mostly family. One of his daughters is married to another lady (very nice couple) and he had heard that Trump was going to round up all gays and shoot them or something.

Posted by: Colin at May 20, 2018 08:28 AM (yLA6Y)

199 What the hell am i doing up at 5:30? Gees. Waiting fo cawfee thats waht. And morning peeps.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:29 AM (aljs9)

200 191 but someone told her that Trump was going to round up all the gays and put them in concentration camps

This is code for not supporting 110% of LBGTASDFJKL: agena. Gay concentration camp means that someone disagrees with their lifestyle, or haircut, or shoes. This is an old leftist trick that requires you to not just accept but actually support and CARE about their cause.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 08:29 AM (JFO2v)

201 So we still talk and are friendly, and we are just careful to never, ever mention anything political at all. '

So how do the discussions on religion go?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 08:30 AM (7LY+6)

202 Aquarium Update:
WeaselFish I - IV doing fine. WeaselSnail I doing well, too although he doesn't have much to say. Just east coast chillin on the tank wall.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:30 AM (MVjcR)

203 "116 (... and secretariat won the belmont by 31 lengths! admittedly it was against a field of 4 other horses - no one wanted to enter the race against him - but still, that's incredible.)
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at May 20, 2018 07:45 AM (Pg+x7)"

Well, Sham was a darn good horse and he likely would have been a Triple Crown winner if Secretariat wasn't around. To show how great Secretariat's Belmont was, nobody since has even come close to his time. He did 12 second furlongs all the way around for a total of 12 furlongs. No horse has ever done anything like that.

As for the Belmont being a Triple Crown killer, possibly the saddest case of that was Northern Dancer (a gnarly little horse) who was beaten by Quadrangle in the Belmont. Quadrangle had not raced in the Derby or the Preakness. Northern Dance had set the Derby record, which stood until broken by Secretariat. But good old Northern Dancer wound up having the last laugh. He was the most successful stud horse of all time. The veritable Captain Kirk of thoroughbreds!

Posted by: MichiCanuck at May 20, 2018 08:30 AM (KguO5)

204 Not much has changed. The only reason it is still on the air is politics. It should be called the DNC Comedy Hour.

More coffee.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 08:24 AM (EoRCO)

And proves Libs have no sense of humor.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:30 AM (aljs9)

205 "This is code for not supporting 110% of LBGTASDFJKL: agena. Gay concentration camp means that someone disagrees with their lifestyle, or haircut, or shoes. This is an old leftist trick that requires you to not just accept but actually support and CARE about their cause."

Hence the phrase...'just a tiny sip of penis, to prove..'

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 08:31 AM (EyPfd)

206 No doubt some talented comedians have been on SNl. Belushi, Murphy, Hartmann to name a few. But the show has always had an influence not based on actual laughs. It was always lefty, and the lefty press pushes it just like youtube pushes it today. And they have not even tried to be funny for a couple decades.

It is interesting that more than a few SNL alumni became conservatives. I am sure they have found a way to fix the glitch though.

One last thing, in its hey day, SNL competed against static.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 08:31 AM (n13/j)

207 Hey Weasel, youre like a fucking ninja. Every time I write a comment to you, you disappear...wait...ok got it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:31 AM (aljs9)

208 WeaselSnail I doing well, too although he doesn't have much to say. Just east coast chillin on the tank wall.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:30 AM (MVjcR)


Be wary of snails. They multiply like guns or guitars. Faster, even, if such a thing is possible.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 08:32 AM (y87Qq)

209 And proves Libs have no sense of humor.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:30 AM (aljs9)

That's not funny.

Posted by: Fat chick with short purple hair and many piercings at May 20, 2018 08:32 AM (zCyNd)

210 207 Hey Weasel, youre like a fucking ninja. Every time I write a comment to you, you disappear...wait...ok got it.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:31 AM (aljs9)
-------
Whats up, bro?

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:32 AM (MVjcR)

211 15 As of 9:25 PM yesterday, 4 Killed 13 wounded in Chicago.---------------------------According to the Baltimore Sun this morning, we've only had one shooting reported. Yesterday was Preakness so lots of police presence in one of our hotspot areas and we've had rain throughout the last couple days.

The sun is now out and it's going to be warm so we have time to catch up...

Posted by: astronaut achmed at May 20, 2018 08:32 AM (PUKsa)

212 "WeaselSnail I doing well, too although he doesn't have much to say. "

Depending on the type of snail, one single snail will get you many more snails. because when they become bored, they begin to have sex. With themselves.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 08:33 AM (EyPfd)

213 Why do people pretend SNL was ever funny? We
always talk about when SNL was funny, but is that really true? Maybe a
few weeks in the 1970s, but come on, let's face it, it was never really
funny.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 08:07 AM (n13/j)



I thought Aykroyd as Nixon calling Belushi as Kissinger "Jew boy!" was pretty funny.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 08:25 AM (/qEW2)

yeah, they were bipartisan. They would attack Republicans AND conservatives.

Posted by: Quint at May 20, 2018 08:33 AM (n13/j)

214 Hence the phrase...'just a tiny sip of penis, to prove..'"

Paint for years and no one calls you an artist.

Suck just one....

and you're a c*cksucker for life.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 08:34 AM (7LY+6)

215 Right wing in Europe are the Nazis which were
"National Socialists". In the US right wing is generally conservatives.
So it depends on where you are at. Posted by: Vic

yeah it is strange. Left is Marxist I guess, but how they put Nazi on the right is weird. Socialist or anything using powerful government to overrule personal liberty always seems leftist to me. The aspect of some early state governments demanding church attendance (iirc) is a leftist trait as I see it.

How we went from that to having SCOTUS declare some statee laws unconstitutional is not clear to me. We somewhere went too far toward centralizing power, which has become a leftist trait of DC cartels.

"Conservatives" should conserve the traditional liberties of our Declaration of Independence. Packing the courts with leftist judges and "legislating from the bench" has been the gimmick to take control away from the people. Using various tricks (like calling everything interstate commerce) to overrule state (and all more local) powers centralizes power with the coastal elites ... where they control guns so it is harder to go ... remove them from the dictatorships.

Beck at times put out some interesting history, but he also did the "far right becomes far left" circle thing.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 20, 2018 08:34 AM (bT8Z4)

216 Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 08:32 AM (y87Qq)
--------
Will do. I've heard that especially with a certain species. Not that I really know one snail from another. My expertise is watching trees grow.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:34 AM (MVjcR)

217 "According to the Baltimore Sun this morning, we've only had one shooting reported."

Nope..

https://cbsloc.al/2IzP0EP

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 08:35 AM (EyPfd)

218 Hey, anybody up for an all expenses paid trip to London? The Ozzie's buying the drinks.

Posted by: Stefan Halper at May 20, 2018 08:35 AM (zCyNd)

219 The Autumn Fizz carbonated douche was funny.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 08:35 AM (JFO2v)

220 Whats up, bro?

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:32 AM (MVjcR)

Lol. Well nothing as exciting as a weasel snail. Did you see my comment about planting 4 raise beds with veggies and pots with thornless blakcbeies? Practicing for the off the grid Heidi Acres.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:35 AM (aljs9)

221 Quit watching me! Can't a snail get a little privacy around here??

Posted by: The snail at May 20, 2018 08:35 AM (UdKB7)

222 Will do. I've heard that especially with a certain species. Not that I really know one snail from another.
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:34 AM (MVjcR)


Yeah, I'm not a snailologist or nothin'. I just figure if there are many snails where there was once one snail, you'll know it's *that* kind.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 08:36 AM (y87Qq)

223 Left is Marxist I guess, but how they put Nazi on the right is weird"

Wasn't until the illiterati had to differentiate between Uncle Joe and Hitler.

Prior to that, western suckups lumped Nazi/Socialist/Fascist together.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 08:37 AM (7LY+6)

224 220 Whats up, bro?

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:32 AM (MVjcR)

Lol. Well nothing as exciting as a weasel snail. Did you see my comment about planting 4 raise beds with veggies and pots with thornless blakcbeies? Practicing for the off the grid Heidi Acres.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:35 AM (aljs9)
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I missed that! Are you still looking? Hey - why don't you and Heidi think about coming to Ben Had's hootenanny in October?

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:37 AM (MVjcR)

225 Nope..



https://cbsloc.al/2IzP0EP
=======Dang, missed that other one

Posted by: astronaut achmed at May 20, 2018 08:37 AM (PUKsa)

226 "Weasel Snail rounding the turn at furlong 7, followed by Sloth King...."

Posted by: Miklos, a Molnar at May 20, 2018 08:38 AM (zCyNd)

227 >>>It is interesting that more than a few SNL alumni became conservatives. I am sure they have found a way to fix the glitch though.

Yup, Dennis Miller and Rob Schneider stand out in that respect.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 08:39 AM (/qEW2)

228 How the fuck can you guys be funny so early. Cut it out.

Oh......cawfee is done.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:39 AM (aljs9)

229 How many EMT would a woodchuck chuck?

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more than a woodcuck would cuck

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 08:39 AM (vChNs)

230 Prior to that, western suckups lumped Nazi/Socialist/Fascist together.
Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 08:37 AM (7LY+6)

By divided the two things that mean the same thing the left is able to worship Marx, Castro, Chavez, and the like so they do not feel guilty.

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 08:39 AM (JFO2v)

231 "=======Dang, missed that other one"

Easy to do.

B'More likes to play hide and seek with the totals for the day and week.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 08:39 AM (EyPfd)

232 eah it is strange. Left is Marxist I guess, but how they put Nazi on the right is weird. Socialist or anything using powerful government to overrule personal liberty always seems leftist to me. The aspect of some early state governments demanding church attendance (iirc) is a leftist trait as I see it.


Yup....old Soviet trick from the 1930's. Any party, group or "front" that did not support Uncle Joe and his brand of communism was essentially in the "pay" of the capitalists, fascists and those on the "right".

Even Trotsky, that old bolshevik devil, was in the "pay" of foreign powers on the "right" when he met the ice ax, according to Uncle Joe.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 08:40 AM (EoRCO)

233 187 The FBI SPY Who Monitored the Trump Campaign, Stefan Halper, Oversaw a CIA Spying Operation in the 1980 Presidential Election
Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 08:15 AM (y3aQB)
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 08:17 AM (JFO2v)
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American Public: "You broke the law and spied on a political Campaign!!!"

CIA: "What's the big deal? We've been doing it for decades."

Posted by: WisRich at May 20, 2018 08:40 AM (OAlmw)

234 171 Can the Catlicks find someone not interested in widdle boys dicks ??
Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 08:06 AM (Ymy4N)

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woundn't that be the nuns

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 08:41 AM (vChNs)

235 Without the comment...
It is offered.


https://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=385486

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 08:41 AM (EyPfd)

236 I missed that! Are you still looking? Hey - why don't you and Heidi think about coming to Ben Had's hootenanny in October?

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:37 AM (MVjcR)

Wow, a weasel invite? I dont' know...how much bail money do we need? "We" are still looking.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:41 AM (aljs9)

237 Good Morning Morons; today is Sunday, May 20, 2018. On this day in 1873 Levi Strauss and Jacob Davis received a U.S. patent for blue jeans with copper rivets. Thus Levis were born.

Posted by: Vic
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The lesser known design by Harry Green, with brass rivets, was a flop, in spite of promotion by the Captain Kangaroo TV show.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 20, 2018 08:42 AM (9tO1t)

238 234 171 Can the Catlicks find someone not interested in widdle boys dicks ??
Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 08:06 AM (Ymy4N)

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woundn't that be the nuns
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 08:41 AM (vChNs)

better to marry than to burn

Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 08:42 AM (JFO2v)

239
Yeah, I'm not a snailologist or nothin'. I just figure if there are many snails where there was once one snail, you'll know it's *that* kind.
Posted by: hogmartin at May 20, 2018 08:36 AM (y87Qq)
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Good tip! Last night I was thinking WeaselFish III was expecting - she was making a little pit in the gravel and just laying in it. Then I thought she had gone fins up, but this morning he/she is racing around with the others.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:43 AM (MVjcR)

240 So the Joos invented Jeans? What can't they do?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:44 AM (aljs9)

241 200 191 but someone told her that Trump was going to round up all the gays and put them in concentration camps

This is code for not supporting 110% of LBGTASDFJKL: agena. Gay concentration camp means that someone disagrees with their lifestyle, or haircut, or shoes. This is an old leftist trick that requires you to not just accept but actually support and CARE about their cause.
Posted by: rhennigantx at May 20, 2018 08:29 AM (JFO2v)

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cunningly, the camps will be disguised as bath houses. Everyone gets a golden shower when they come.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 08:44 AM (vChNs)

242 What kind of fish do you have weasel?

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 08:44 AM (UdKB7)

243 235>> According to filings by the couple, they have been informed that because Michael is a family member, they can only have him removed from the home through an ejectment proceeding.

Sounds like a lawyer expression for an ass whippin.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 20, 2018 08:45 AM (2saZ/)

244
Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:43 AM (MVjcR)

Weasel fish needs a little outhouse.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:45 AM (aljs9)

245 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 08:41 AM (EyPfd)

Ace's real name is almost certainly not Michael Rotondo.

Almost certainly not

Posted by: weirdflunky at May 20, 2018 08:45 AM (fsyyz)

246 Everyone gets a golden shower when they come."

Ahem....

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 08:46 AM (7LY+6)

247 I've been thinking about setting up my 30 gallon tank again. Took it down after I lost my two huge Angelfishes.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 08:46 AM (UdKB7)

248
Wow, a weasel invite? I dont' know...how much bail money do we need? "We" are still looking.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:41 AM (aljs9)
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bluebell has a good bail bondsman so I'm sure we can work something out. Oct 20th about an hour south of Dallas. Think about it! We're setting up a range and I'm bringing one of my match rifles.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:46 AM (MVjcR)

249 Only Gunsels wear Levis.

Posted by: Said Every Cowboy Ever at May 20, 2018 08:46 AM (Jj+59)

250 So the Joos invented Jeans? What can't they do?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:44 AM (aljs9)
+++++
Stop the F'ing Rain in the Northeast ??

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 08:47 AM (y3aQB)

251 Yup....old Soviet trick from the 1930's. Any party, group or "front" that did not support Uncle Joe and his brand of communism was essentially in the "pay" of the capitalists, fascists and those on the "right".

Even Trotsky, that old bolshevik devil, was in the "pay" of foreign powers on the "right" when he met the ice ax, according to Uncle Joe.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 08:40 AM (EoRCO)



And 80 years later it's the same song and dance. I saw a videos on youtube of a Vladmir Jaffe (born in the USSR) taking apart lefties at Occupy Wall Street. Once actually said North Korea was a mess because of imperialists. Nothing is ever the fault of the commies

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 20, 2018 08:47 AM (SiINZ)

252 "Weasel fish needs a little outhouse."

When Little VIA headed off to Boot Camp we became the keepers of the 38 gallon tropical universe in his room.

It's funny what I had to learn.

But being Boilerwater/Feedwater Supervisor qualified has helped.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 08:48 AM (EyPfd)

253 240 So the Joos invented Jeans? What can't they do?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:44 AM (aljs

Not kvetch ??

Posted by: Himmler at May 20, 2018 08:48 AM (Ymy4N)

254 242 What kind of fish do you have weasel?
Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 08:44 AM (UdKB7)
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I'm not sure. Our tank is tiny so we were limited in what we could get. They look like minnows with some kind of color added.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:48 AM (MVjcR)

255 Weasel Snails carry Snail Pox.

Posted by: Jake from State Farm at May 20, 2018 08:49 AM (Jj+59)

256 Your culture is inferior, you First-World pig-dog. The rest are good and equal."

Jared Diamond, is that you?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 08:49 AM (7LY+6)

257 Depending on the type of snail, one single snail will get you many more snails. because when they become bored, they begin to have sex. With themselves.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 08:33 AM (EyPfd)

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I now identify as a snail

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 08:49 AM (vChNs)

258 bluebell has a good bail bondsman so I'm sure we can work something out. Oct 20th about an hour south of Dallas. Think about it! We're setting up a range and I'm bringing one of my match rifles.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:46 AM (MVjcR)

Sounds irrisistable. Thanks much for the invite. Seriously. We'll see what shakes out in the next coupla months.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:49 AM (aljs9)

259 247 I've been thinking about setting up my 30 gallon tank again. Took it down after I lost my two huge Angelfishes.
Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 08:46 AM (UdKB7)

Just set my 300 gallon tank up yesterday

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 08:50 AM (Ymy4N)

260
Be wary of snails. They multiply like guns or guitars. Faster, even, if such a thing is possible.
Posted by: hogmartin
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Mushrooms, after the rain.

This week they will pop up everywhere.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 20, 2018 08:50 AM (nBBdT)

261 18 I tried to find what the original price of a pair of Levi jeans were since they go for around $40 now. But could not be located.
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The originals had a thread count that today's Levi's can't compare with. I've heard that Levi's offers the real originals but they are north of $100. Evidently quality was lost in the pursuit of profits.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 20, 2018 08:51 AM (vV/gB)

262 "Stop the F'ing Rain in the Northeast ??"

If the rain hasn't stopped, it's because the Joooos don't want it to stop.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 08:51 AM (EyPfd)

263 Books.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 20, 2018 08:51 AM (nBBdT)

264 about an hour south of Dallas"

35 or 45?

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 08:51 AM (7LY+6)

265 221 Quit watching me! Can't a snail get a little privacy around here??
Posted by: The snail at May 20, 2018 08:35 AM (UdKB7)

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Get the fuck away from me.

Posted by: the seaweed at May 20, 2018 08:51 AM (vChNs)

266 "They look like minnows with some kind of color added"

Guppies? Do some have big tails?

There are some fish sold now that they inject dye into to make them colorful. I don't know what kind.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 08:51 AM (UdKB7)

267 Just set my 300 gallon tank up yesterday

Is that you, Deuce Bigalow?

Posted by: Jake from State Farm at May 20, 2018 08:51 AM (Jj+59)

268 Our tank is a 2.5 gallon one. Ive never kept fish before but WeaselWoman has. Now that I have my foot in the door, I want to get a 10 gallon tank so our fish options are better.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:51 AM (MVjcR)

269 " They look like minnows with some kind of color added."


Ah....Fish of Color (FoC)

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 08:53 AM (EyPfd)

270
ejectment proceeding


Legalese for "forced enfappening"?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 08:53 AM (pNxlR)

271 264 about an hour south of Dallas"

35 or 45?
Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 08:51 AM (7LY+6)
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45 I think

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:53 AM (MVjcR)

272 247 I've been thinking about setting up my 30 gallon tank again. Took it down after I lost my two huge Angelfishes.
Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 08:46 AM (UdKB7)

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did you look under the couch?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 08:53 AM (vChNs)

273 Did they reverse the image of Harry driving off with Meghan in a left hand XKE ??

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 08:54 AM (Ymy4N)

274 Colombian assassins sent by the Medellin Cartel were apprehended trying to leave Louisiana soon after Seal's murder. Three of the men were convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without parole. However, some believe the CIA was behind the killing.
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WOW!!! How fortuitous that the "Assassins" were apprehended right after they Murdered Barry Seal
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After his death, Louisiana attorney general William Guste hand-delivered a letter to US Attorney General Edwin Meese in protest at the government's failure to protect Seal. Though he called him a "heinous criminal", Guste added: "At the same time, for his own purposes, he had made himself an extremely valuable witness and informant in the country's fight against illegal drugs."

"Barry Seal's murder suggests the need for an in-depth but rapid investigation into a number of areas. Why was such an important witness not given protection whether he wanted it or not?" There's still no real answer to this question today.

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 08:54 AM (y3aQB)

275 Nothing is ever the fault of the commies
Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 20, 2018 08:47 AM (SiINZ)

Yup.....Ayn Rand covered some of this concerning the exalted 5 year plans. Every 5 years the plan failed due to sabotage or foreign interventionists or the proles not being "marxist" enough or the weather or some such hooey.

It was never the fault of the system itself.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 20, 2018 08:54 AM (EoRCO)

276 Just dropped in for a minute- Cannibal Bob/Heidi, I will second Weasel's invite

Anon a mouse- I45

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 08:54 AM (urRRz)

277
Ah....Fish of Color (FoC)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 08:53 AM (EyPfd)
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I should probably get some gay fish before I get sued.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:55 AM (MVjcR)

278 The real question is why are these smug Millennials so fucking violent?

Posted by: Teacher Teacher at May 20, 2018 08:55 AM (XcgmW)

279 If your fish are guppies you will have enough to completely fill that tank soon. I used to keep a kiddie pool in the backyard with guppies in it for feeders. There were thousands of guppies in that pool.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 08:55 AM (UdKB7)

280 Just set my 300 gallon tank up yesterday

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 08:50 AM (Ymy4N)

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You sure that isn't a hot tub?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 08:55 AM (vChNs)

281 Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 08:54 AM (urRRz)
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Thanks Ben Had. Am I allowed to invite people? Especially weirdos?

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:56 AM (MVjcR)

282 If your fish are guppies you will have enough to completely fill that
tank soon. I used to keep a kiddie pool in the backyard with guppies in
it for feeders. There were thousands of guppies in that pool.


All guppies are The Paolo.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 20, 2018 08:57 AM (oVJmc)

283 "did you look under the couch?"

Well not for these guys but I've had fish jump out of a tank only to be found later under some furniture. Some Cichlids can jump pretty high.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 08:57 AM (UdKB7)

284 Weasel, mi casa es su casa.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 08:58 AM (urRRz)

285 Thanks Ben Had. Am I allowed to invite people? Especially weirdos?

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 08:56 AM (MVjcR)

Too late. No backsies.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 08:58 AM (aljs9)

286 Did they reverse the image of Harry driving off with Meghan in a left hand XKE ??"

Not an XKE. Jag built an electric car a couple of years ago, showed it off last year.

Strictly for the US posers...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 08:58 AM (7LY+6)

287 There are some moments when I wish we would get an occasional Aquarium thread.

I think there are lots that I could learn from the Horde.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 08:59 AM (EyPfd)

288
Hello horde. Looking for some advice as to how to recover or free up disk space for a Dell Latitude E6420 laptop with a 114 GB C: drive that is full (341 MB free remaining). As best I can figure, there either are some ginormous apps installed or some file caches that have gotten out of hand.

What tools to help or other advice have ye? TIA!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 08:59 AM (pNxlR)

289 267 Just set my 300 gallon tank up yesterday

Is that you, Deuce Bigalow?
Posted by: Jake from State Farm at May 20, 2018 08:51 AM (Jj+59)

My tree watering rig, used to put in the back of my Chevy 2500hd. Just bought a Honda foreman and yesterday welded up a small trailer for my watering rig. River is at the front of my property. Takes about 4 minutes to fill with a 3 inch pump. Comes out at about 70 psi. Doubles as fire hose.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 08:59 AM (Ymy4N)

290 Anon a mouse- I45"

*contemplates a Sunday drive north*

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 09:00 AM (7LY+6)

291 >>What tools to help or other advice have ye?

A cloth.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2018 09:01 AM (/tuJf)

292
278 The real question is why are these smug Millennials so fucking violent?
Posted by: Teacher Teacher at May 20, 2018 08:55 AM (XcgmW)


They stopped getting participation trophies for mastering wiping their own asses too soon?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 09:01 AM (pNxlR)

293 The deep state.
Uniparty.

Almost makes one wonder if there is some kind of organization or "Council" that has had it's members in every administration since before any of us were born. An organization, or maybe even a few connected ones, who wish to bring about a one world govt ruled by the elites.

Naw, crazy talk.
It ( they )would have to include people like...

The Clintons
Bushes
Kissinger
Condi Rice
Brennan
Clapper
Donohue
Brezenski

A list too long to type on this phone.

And you would think that someone like, oh I don't know, say Goldwater, would have warned us about them.

Posted by: teej at May 20, 2018 09:01 AM (Ixqnq)

294 Good morning!

Let's smile and be happy and strike fear in the heart of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 20, 2018 09:02 AM (hyuyC)

295 Not an XKE. Jag built an electric car a couple of years ago, showed it off last year.

Strictly for the US posers...
Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 08:58 AM (7LY+6)



If you're screwing with me, I'm gonna tear your heart out.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 09:02 AM (Ymy4N)

296 284 Weasel, mi casa es su casa.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 08:58 AM (urRRz)
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You da man.

All you reprobates are missing a really awesome events Ben Had's if you don't show up. No shit.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 09:02 AM (MVjcR)

297 Anon a mouse. My email is on the left side bar. Feel free to drop me a line.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2018 09:03 AM (urRRz)

298 "Looking for some advice as to how to recover or free up disk space "

Delete everything in the Windows temp folder and your user local appdata temp folder.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 09:03 AM (UdKB7)

299 You sure that isn't a hot tub?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 08:55 AM (vChNs)

I laughed. Swim with the fishes.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 09:03 AM (aljs9)

300 287 There are some moments when I wish we would get an occasional Aquarium thread.

I think there are lots that I could learn from the Horde.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 08:59 AM (EyPfd)

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Don't eat the green ones. They're not ripe yet

Posted by: Otto at May 20, 2018 09:04 AM (vChNs)

301 Hello horde. Looking for some advice as to how to recover or free up disk space "

Doc Mercury's computer corner over at Maggies Farm. How to turn off Windows storage fiasco (short version: Win updates SAVE a copy on your HD. Several gigs worth)

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 09:05 AM (7LY+6)

302 "Don't eat the green ones. They're not ripe yet"


See....

This is exactly the type of pro-tips that one can only find here.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 09:06 AM (EyPfd)

303 299 You sure that isn't a hot tub?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 08:55 AM (vChNs)

I laughed. Swim with the fishes.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 09:03 AM (aljs9)


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mine hot tub is 550 gallons and it seats eight

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 09:06 AM (vChNs)

304 So are Beta fish happy in that little bowl? Wouldn't they rather be fighting to the death in a colosseum set up in a big tank?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 09:06 AM (aljs9)

305
A cloth.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2018 09:01 AM (/tuJf)


Boy, the masterful and pertinent advice we have so far avoided by Shrillary crashing and burning boggles the mind, doesn't it?

The statists are well on their way to permanent emotional breakdowns. A female acquaintance posted on FB yesterday that the proposed cuts to PP funding - "none of whose federal $$$ are used to fund abortions" - is but the first step on this country's road to the world of "The Handmaid's Tale". There's no rational basis for communicating with such people.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 09:06 AM (pNxlR)

306 If you're screwing with me, I'm gonna tear your heart out. "

Not kidding.

Think of it. An all electric Jaguar.


The jokes, they write themselves...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 09:06 AM (7LY+6)

307 Krebs that is real advice not some off the cuff snarky comment advise designed to wreck your computer. Really. Not joking. Honest.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 09:07 AM (UdKB7)

308 You sure that isn't a hot tub?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 08:55 AM (vChNs)


Hydrotherapy device.

Covered under Obamacare.

Throw in some fish, fish farming subsidies.

*leans back, enjoys Medicinal Mimosa*

Posted by: Miklos, gaming the system at May 20, 2018 09:07 AM (zCyNd)

309 302 "Don't eat the green ones. They're not ripe yet"

See....

This is exactly the type of pro-tips that one can only find here.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at May 20, 2018 09:06 AM (EyPfd)

And talk to your fish early about The Flume Ride to Fish Heaven.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 09:08 AM (aljs9)

310 is but the first step on this country's road to the world of "The Handmaid's Tale"

I'll go out on a very, very short limb and guess that she's never actually read said "novel", eh?

'cause it's an amazing mobius loop of stupidity. Of course, Canadian, so....

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 09:08 AM (7LY+6)

311
307 Krebs that is real advice not some off the cuff snarky comment advise designed to wreck your computer. Really. Not joking. Honest.
Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 09:07 AM (UdKB7)


A cloth sprayed with what? EndDust?

"It works like a dead bit magnet!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 09:09 AM (pNxlR)

312 an Aquarium thread once in a while would be great. We used to have two really nice, dedicated, aquarium stores nearby but they both closed.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 09:09 AM (Uqz+J)

313 Think of it. An all electric Jaguar.


The jokes, they write themselves...

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 09:06 AM (7LY+6)

Well, the Trabant was called the "Paper Jaguar". An electric model would only need a couple of D cell batteries...

Posted by: Miklos, veteran of Veteran cars at May 20, 2018 09:10 AM (zCyNd)

314 304 So are Beta fish happy in that little bowl? Wouldn't they rather be fighting to the death in a colosseum set up in a big tank?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 09:06 AM (aljs9)

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Betas are happy with whatever I choose to leave them. They serve me and the alphas

Posted by: Mistress Midnight Flame at May 20, 2018 09:10 AM (vChNs)

315
I'll go out on a very, very short limb and guess that she's never actually read said "novel", eh?

'cause it's an amazing mobius loop of stupidity. Of course, Canadian, so....
Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 09:08 AM (7LY+6)


No, she IS reading it for a second time. It's like the most triggering Trigger McTriggerson experience, ever!

Oy ...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 09:11 AM (pNxlR)

316 Well a aquarium could be considered pets, and so could be sent in to that thread. I never had fish but my dad almost always had a aquarium. I have a co-worker with a large salt water one

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 09:11 AM (aC6Sd)

317 The real question is why are these smug Millennials so fucking violent?
Posted by: Teacher Teacher at May 20, 2018 08:55 AM (XcgmW)

They stopped getting participation trophies for mastering wiping their own asses too soon?


Aren't highschoolers Generation Z?

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 20, 2018 09:12 AM (bZ7mE)

318 mine hot tub is 550 gallons and it seats eight
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 09:06 AM (vChNs)

My hot tub is 170 gallons, galvanized and as long as the motor's got gas, works great.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 09:12 AM (Ymy4N)

319 I have a co-worker with a large salt water one

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2018 09:11 AM (aC6Sd)

The trap door above it is kinda cool.

Posted by: Miklos, lackey #6 at May 20, 2018 09:12 AM (zCyNd)

320 There's no rational basis for communicating with such people.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 09:06 AM (pNxlR)

Yep. Put up with so much hate in North MN where Heidi's family is. Can't have a civil conversation. No mas. We just dont go now that my beloved MIL is gone. Went for a funeral and they can't help themselves. They just spew it out and could care less that anyone in the room may not be a 'religious believer'.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 09:13 AM (aljs9)

321 No, she IS reading it for a second time."

Wow.

Just wow.

That's as stupid as an.... all electric Jaguar.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 20, 2018 09:13 AM (7LY+6)

322 Well, that's what I get for putting the fone down for awhile, coming back and refreshing and reading a slug of comments and then responding to commenters who have left for awhile.

Posted by: teej at May 20, 2018 09:13 AM (Ixqnq)

323 313 Think of it. An all electric Jaguar.

Back in Dallas in the 80's, there were shops that specialized in re-harnessing and chevy small blocking Jags

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 09:15 AM (Ymy4N)

324 Well, that's what I get for putting the fone down for awhile, coming back and refreshing and reading a slug of comments and then responding to commenters who have left for awhile.

Posted by: teej at May 20, 2018 09:13 AM (Ixqnq)

This is the snail thread.

Slugs are later.

Posted by: Pssst...Slug O'War in the third at May 20, 2018 09:16 AM (zCyNd)

325 If we have a aquarium thread, can those of us who don't have fish just make stupid fish jokes? Orr will it be stuffy, and elitist like the Gardening thread?

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 09:16 AM (aljs9)

326 Hey f'd, you mentioned making some Bruce Lee comments last night.
Which thread and do you remember about where they started?

Would like to read em.

Posted by: teej at May 20, 2018 09:16 AM (Ixqnq)

327 He's on a roll this morning!

@realDonaldTrump

Things are really getting ridiculous. The Failing and Crooked (but not as Crooked as Hillary Clinton) @nytimes has done a long & boring story indicating that the World's most expensive Witch Hunt has found nothing on Russia & me so now they are looking at the rest of the World!

....At what point does this soon to be $20,000,000 Witch Hunt, composed of 13 Angry and Heavily Conflicted Democrats and two people who have worked for Obama for 8 years, STOP! They have found no Collussion with Russia, No Obstruction, but they aren't looking at the corruption...

...in the Hillary Clinton Campaign where she deleted 33,000 Emails, got $145,000,000 while Secretary of State, paid McCabes wife $700,000 (and got off the FBI hook along with Terry M) and so much more. Republicans and real Americans should start getting tough on this Scam.

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 09:17 AM (Enq6K)

328 Aren't highschoolers Generation Z?
--------Yes they are. Millenials are the 20 somethings in your office you really try to resist punching in the face sometimes...
Gen-X'ers are the ones pretending to care what they have to say

Posted by: astronaut achmed at May 20, 2018 09:17 AM (PUKsa)

329 318 mine hot tub is 550 gallons and it seats eight
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 09:06 AM (vChNs)

My hot tub is 170 gallons, galvanized and as long as the motor's got gas, works great.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 09:12 AM (Ymy4N)

I use a 5 gal Home Depot pail.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 09:17 AM (aljs9)

330 poison ivy sucks.

that is all.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 09:18 AM (vChNs)

331 Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 20, 2018 09:11 AM (pNxlR)
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Should be a software on PC that will find & delete unnecessary files & Programs

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 09:18 AM (y3aQB)

332 "If we have a aquarium thread, can those of us who don't have fish just make stupid fish jokes?"

As long as you don't flounder about things should go swimmingly.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 09:19 AM (UdKB7)

333 e. Republicans and real Americans should start getting tough on this Scam.

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 09:17 AM (Enq6K)

Tami honey, you need an aquarium with snails. Its so relaxing watching them have sex with themselves. Ask Weasel.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 09:20 AM (aljs9)

334 In the late 80's, during a real frog strangler in Dallas, I borrowed my wife's exes Jag sedan. Some cop under an overpass on Skillman decided to come to a stop, leaving me in about 20 inches of water. Guy never forgave me for that.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 09:20 AM (Ymy4N)

335
As long as you don't flounder about things should go swimmingly.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 09:19 AM (UdKB7)

Oh God please not now. Save them for the Aquauim Thrread! Lol!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 09:21 AM (aljs9)

336 "Which thread and do you remember about where they started? "

I was joking on TJM's movie thread last night about which of the five remaining top five movies was a Bruce Lee movie. Then later I was watching Batman on MeTV and Bruce Lee was on it.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 09:21 AM (UdKB7)

337 http://bit.ly/2Iz9tJG
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3 Ways to Clear up Unnecessary Files on Your PC - wikiHow
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Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 20, 2018 09:21 AM (y3aQB)

338 @324- Well, at least that was a possible under the radar reference to Man of War regarding the horses.

21 races
20 wins
Only loss a one on one race against John P Greir, the 2nd best horse at the time.
In said race Man of War was backwards in the starting gate when they opened em. Still almost don the thing.

Posted by: teej at May 20, 2018 09:22 AM (Ixqnq)

339 I use a 5 gal Home Depot pail.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 09:17 AM (aljs9)

We're a little bit more sophisticated in the Berkshires. Fives are considered bathrooms.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 20, 2018 09:23 AM (Ymy4N)

340 BTW. I'm an Aquarius.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 09:23 AM (aljs9)

341 "poison ivy sucks.
that is all.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 "

Tru dat buzzy. One word' "Zanfel"

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 09:23 AM (UdKB7)

342 Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 09:17 AM (Enq6K)

Remember that Mueller's team claimed lots of Russian social media postings that were supposed to have influenced the election? Except that they were in Russian? Any Mueller didn't even have English translations?

The following job posting is not a joke:


"Special Counsel is currently seeking a small team of Russian fluent contractors to perform a simple but non-traditional document review project. College students or recent college graduates are welcome to apply. You will need to be ALTA tested for Russian reading proficiency before you can start work on this project (it's an hour-long online test we will administer to you). Please see below for additional details.

Project Details:

Start Date: ASAP
Hours: 40 hours per week
Duration: Through the summer
Location: Likely remote
Pay: $19-20/hour"

Posted by: Miklos, lazy linguist at May 20, 2018 09:24 AM (zCyNd)

343 Tami honey, you need an aquarium with snails. Its so relaxing watching them have sex with themselves. Ask Weasel.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 09:20 AM (aljs9)

This is one of those times when I think to myself, "Do I really want to go looking upthread for what this means?....Nah."

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 09:24 AM (Enq6K)

344
Tru dat buzzy. One word' "Zanfel"
Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 09:23 AM (UdKB7)
------
Master of the pan flute?

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 09:24 AM (MVjcR)

345 after 5 days, I see the sun.

Thank you joos.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at May 20, 2018 09:24 AM (vChNs)

346 whoa. Just cracked an egg with 2 yolks.

I think end times are near.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2018 09:25 AM (/tuJf)

347 An all Lucas Electric Jaguar paperweight.

Posted by: Burger Chef at May 20, 2018 09:25 AM (RuIsu)

348 This is one of those times when I think to myself, "Do I really want to go looking upthread for what this means?....Nah."

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 09:24 AM (Enq6K)

Smart move Tami. It will all become clear in the new Aquarium Thread anyway.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at May 20, 2018 09:26 AM (aljs9)

349 "Master of the pan flute?"

Zanfel should be in your first aid kit at Weasel Acres if you have poison ivy about. That stuff works.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 09:27 AM (UdKB7)

350 whoa. Just cracked an egg with 2 yolks.

I think end times are near.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2018 09:25 AM (/tuJf)

Damn. Those Siamese chickens are worth money.

Posted by: yet another bearded lady at May 20, 2018 09:28 AM (zCyNd)

351 @realDonaldTrump 7 minutes ago

Now that the Witch Hunt has given up on Russia and is looking at the rest of the World, they should easily be able to take it into the Mid-Term Elections where they can put some hurt on the Republican Party. Don't worry about Dems FISA Abuse, missing Emails or Fraudulent Dossier!

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 09:28 AM (Enq6K)

352 Ok, thanks.
Saw that part.

Thought maybe you had gone a bit more in depth on him.
He was my original inspiration, Green Hornet when a kid, but mom couldn't afford it so I was 26 before getting really involved.

Bruce was quite possibly the all time greatest and most likely was as far as names that are "known."

Posted by: teej at May 20, 2018 09:29 AM (Ixqnq)

353
Zanfel should be in your first aid kit at Weasel Acres if you have poison ivy about. That stuff works.
Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 09:27 AM (UdKB7)
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I'm lucky that poison ivy doesn't bother me much. I got into some a few weeks back while brush wrangling and it went away in a couple of days. There is a product called TechNu that I've heard people recommend but couldn't find it at the drug store.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 09:29 AM (MVjcR)

354 They are getting closer!

Posted by: Boris and Natasha at May 20, 2018 09:30 AM (aljs9)

355 @realDonaldTrump 4 minutes ago

What ever happened to the Server, at the center of so much Corruption, that the Democratic National Committee REFUSED to hand over to the hard charging (except in the case of Democrats) FBI? They broke into homes & offices early in the morning, but were afraid to take the Server?

HAHAHA!

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 09:32 AM (Enq6K)

356 Thanks for posting the tweets Tami!
Much appreciated!

Posted by: teej at May 20, 2018 09:32 AM (Ixqnq)

357 "I'm lucky that poison ivy doesn't bother me much"

I was like that for a long time but got into some cutting up a downed tree once and it latched on to me something awful. I was miserable for a week before someone here told me to try Zanfel.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 09:33 AM (UdKB7)

358 And you wouldn't believe the first aid kit I have for WA. It's a trauma kit I assembled because I'm almost always alone using sharp tools, and would have to take care of any problems myself.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 09:34 AM (MVjcR)

359 So which Bruce Lee should be on TJM's top 10 movie list anyway? I like the one with Mr Woper.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 09:35 AM (UdKB7)

360 357 "I'm lucky that poison ivy doesn't bother me much"

I was like that for a long time but got into some cutting up a downed tree once and it latched on to me something awful. I was miserable for a week before someone here told me to try Zanfel.
Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 09:33 AM (UdKB7)
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Thanks! I've added it to my list of things to get.

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 09:36 AM (MVjcR)

361 You're welcome teej!

I often wonder when he's on a tear like this...is he sitting on the couch, watching the Sunday morning news shows, feet up, just tweeting away.

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 09:36 AM (Enq6K)

362 When SNL started, there was nothing else on TV at that time of the evening so they filled a void.

SNL was just the warm up act for The Midnight Special.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at May 20, 2018 09:37 AM (yQpMk)

363 SCTV was light years better than SNL.


There, I said it.

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 09:41 AM (Enq6K)

364 The sun is out so I need to start thinking about excuses not to do chores around the house. Hmmmmm.... haven't used back ache in a while...

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 09:42 AM (MVjcR)

365 363 SCTV was light years better than SNL.


There, I said it.
Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 09:41 AM (Enq6K)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at May 20, 2018 09:42 AM (Uqz+J)

366 Enter the Dragon, hands down, no contest.

The only good thing about Return was the scene with Chuck Norris in the colosseum.

It showed the superiority of a fluid, relaxed fighting style over the more fixed stance style.
And Chuck was/is a great artist too.

Posted by: teej at May 20, 2018 09:42 AM (Ixqnq)

367 If interested in a very expansive and involved history of Joseph Mifsud, the Ground Zero for the initiation of the "russia, russia, russia" imo, jonworth.eu is doing the investigating American media should be. Lots of links, including to groups that never seemed to actually exist IRL. One of Mifsud's friends was Gianni Pittella, associated with the European Parliament and who attended the DNC in 2016 and campaigned for HRC. Great work and even more links in the comments.

Posted by: Ever at May 20, 2018 09:43 AM (OLS0m)

368 And no disrespect intended by using your first name, Mr. Norris.
Really.
Loved your movies.
Always used Century equipment and gi's.

Hope I got that in quick enough.

Posted by: teej at May 20, 2018 09:46 AM (Ixqnq)

369 I second Enter The Dragon. Hopefully TJM will get the word.

Posted by: f'd at May 20, 2018 09:51 AM (UdKB7)

370 SNL never funny? I beg to differ.

Murphy's "White Like Me" not funny?

Chase's prison shrink vs Pryor's inmate in word association?

Chase: Jungle bunny.
Pryor: Honky.
Chase: Spear chucker.
Pryor, eyes bulging: DEAD honky!!!!

Murphy doing prison beat poetry like "kill da white man" and "gonna get me a shotgun"?

The Adobe. The little car made out of clay?

The sand-bagging Reagan, worlds most brilliant strategist behind closed doors?

No, they could be funny.

Posted by: Gooshy at May 20, 2018 09:55 AM (HOW7h)

371 @realDonaldTrump 5 minutes ago

....and why hasn't the Podesta brother been charged and arrested, like others, after being forced to close down his very large and successful firm? Is it because he is a VERY well connected Democrat working in the Swamp of Washington, D.C.?

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 10:00 AM (Enq6K)

372 Belushi
Akroyd
Murray
Chase
Curtain
Radner
Morris

Toss in guests like Martin and Pryor?

Sat night's back then,,, head out for live music and a few drinks.
Then to someone's house for SNL and Midnight Special to finish the night before heading home to properly finish the night.

Posted by: teej at May 20, 2018 10:02 AM (Ixqnq)

373 Roger Stone is just clowning Chuck Todd.

Todd is trying so hard to find some sort of collusion it's just pathetic.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2018 10:03 AM (/tuJf)

374 @realDonaldTrump

Get em Mr Pres.
We got your back.

Posted by: teej at May 20, 2018 10:04 AM (Ixqnq)

375 Nunes up next on Maria's show on FNC.

Posted by: Tami at May 20, 2018 10:04 AM (Enq6K)

376 >>>>>SNL never funny? I beg to differ.



Murphy's "White Like Me" not funny?



Chase's prison shrink vs Pryor's inmate in word association?



Chase: Jungle bunny.

Pryor: Honky.

Chase: Spear chucker.

Pryor, eyes bulging: DEAD honky!!!!



Murphy doing prison beat poetry like "kill da white man" and "gonna get me a shotgun"?



The Adobe. The little car made out of clay?



The sand-bagging Reagan, worlds most brilliant strategist behind closed doors?



No, they could be funny.





Posted by: Gooshy....You forgot Mr. Bill.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at May 20, 2018 10:45 AM (+Dllb)

377 Mr. Bill was funny.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at May 20, 2018 11:30 AM (/qEW2)

378 Last time SNL was really funny? 1969 or so. There may have been doobies involved, too...

Posted by: pogomip at May 20, 2018 02:48 PM (vnB5M)

Saturday Night Open Thread (5/19/18 )

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Via my email this past week.


Ford Airplane - History Time

A Ford Airplane - AMAZING

This was 6 months BEFORE Pearl Harbor! Henry Ford was determined that he could mass produce bombers just as he had done with cars, so he built the Willow Run assembly plant in Michigan and proved it. It was the world's largest building under one roof at the time.

This film will absolutely blow you away - one B-24 every 55 minutes. . . and Ford had their own pilots to test them. and they had no recalls


ADOLF HITLER HAD NO IDEA THE U.S. WAS CAPABLE OF THIS KIND OF THING.


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The Saturday Night Joke


Kind of a cool way to take a casket to the cemetery.

A funeral procession pulled into Pressley Cemetery in South Carolina. Several car loads of family members followed a black truck towing a boat with a coffin in it.

A passer-by remarked, "That guy must have been a very avid fisherman.”

"Oh, he still is," remarked one of the mourners. "As a matter of fact, he's headed off to the lake as soon as we bury his wife."

***


Well that is certainly one way to get rush hour traffic rolling again. The police don't care for rush hour traffic either, apparently.

Peters lost control of his vehicle after striking two other vehicles on the ramp. He emerged naked from his disabled vehicle and ran into the northbound lanes of I-95/64, police said. Witnesses said they saw him dancing and rolling around on the interstate before running back to the on-ramp.

Police said Peters then charged the Richmond officer who deployed his Taser in an effort to disable Peters. The Taser was ineffective, police said, so the officer fired his service weapon, striking Peters, who was unarmed.

Well, we know who won that pissing contest.


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The ONT Musical Interlude


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Be careful in the woods of Michigan. h/t redc1c4

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Meet Fred Garvin, male prostitute Genius Award Winner.


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Tonight's ONT has been brought to you by Lotters.

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1 Ooh....first

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at May 19, 2018 09:37 PM (mMeIQ)

2 Nice

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at May 19, 2018 09:37 PM (R5lpX)

3 Yes

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at May 19, 2018 09:37 PM (mMeIQ)

4 I'll go get others

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at May 19, 2018 09:38 PM (mMeIQ)

5 Early! Thanks!

Posted by: lin-duh at May 19, 2018 09:38 PM (kufk0)

6 Bon soir, mes otteurs.

Posted by: Miklos, international intern at May 19, 2018 09:39 PM (zCyNd)

7 L'Otters.

L'LOL.

Posted by: shibumi, feeling French at May 19, 2018 09:40 PM (0s3bJ)

8 Just finished watching Do Over with Adam Sandler and David Spade. Funny movie, which brings to mind what my wife said...Sandler has successfully created his own modern version of the Rat Pack.

Also watched the original School of Scoundrels last night from 1960.

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at May 19, 2018 09:40 PM (R5lpX)

9 Lurker in the house!!!

Posted by: BigZesty at May 19, 2018 09:41 PM (9cZ+H)

10 Is this the ont?

Posted by: f'd at May 19, 2018 09:41 PM (UdKB7)

11 Korean singing show winner is pretty bad:

youtube.com/watch?v=hiBPUpCJ7MQ

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 19, 2018 09:42 PM (LNPd9)

12 Is this the ont?

Posted by: f'd at May 19, 2018 09:41 PM (UdKB7)

L'ONTers.

Posted by: Miklos, glass half full at May 19, 2018 09:42 PM (zCyNd)

13 I thought it said Lottery
Don't wanna win that one

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 19, 2018 09:43 PM (hMwEB)

14 What a nice surprise -- an early ONT. Hola everyone.

Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2018 09:43 PM (Ju3ed)

15 Woot ONT. Love the cat joke up top. Now to check out all the other content.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at May 19, 2018 09:43 PM (84F5k)

16 Those boys from Texas...hope they shoot "lotters" better than they spell!!

Posted by: lin-duh at May 19, 2018 09:44 PM (kufk0)

17 I don't see anything odd about that cat. All cats are weird. It's what they do.

Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2018 09:44 PM (Ju3ed)

18 I thought it said Lottery
Don't wanna win that one

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 19, 2018 09:43 PM (hMwEB)

In that case, you get shot with a Powerball.

Posted by: Miklos, glass less than half full at May 19, 2018 09:44 PM (zCyNd)

19 You had ONE job.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 19, 2018 09:44 PM (dUJdY)

20 Lotters stole the prises from the spelin be.

Posted by: Miklos, glass refilled at May 19, 2018 09:45 PM (zCyNd)

21 How did they spell "sight" right, after missing "looters" and "shot"?

Posted by: mikeski at May 19, 2018 09:45 PM (JGBbg)

22 Lotters are people, too. They have a right to be. But Looters, that's a different thing ain't it?

Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2018 09:45 PM (Ju3ed)

23 HEY THE CRAPITALS HAVE LOST 3 IN A ROW !

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 19, 2018 09:46 PM (y3aQB)

24 Dirty Lotter Scoundrels

Posted by: Miklos, AKA Rupprecht at May 19, 2018 09:47 PM (zCyNd)

25 Got a whole lotter love.

Posted by: Tex Zepplin at May 19, 2018 09:47 PM (UdKB7)

26 Just to be safe, I wouldn't loiter around there, either.

Posted by: mikeski at May 19, 2018 09:48 PM (JGBbg)

27 How did they spell "sight" right, after missing "looters" and "shot"?

Posted by: mikeski at May 19, 2018 09:45 PM (JGBbg)

They misspelled that too. It should say "shot on site".

Posted by: Miklos, teleshooter at May 19, 2018 09:48 PM (zCyNd)

28 Heh @ that coffin in the fishing boat and joke.


Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 19, 2018 09:48 PM (pvjTE)

29 Looks like Mueller has come up empty on Russian collusion and anything criminal done by Trump. That stereotypical Nazi looking clown should go back and hide before someone starts looking at him.

Posted by: Cm9000 at May 19, 2018 09:48 PM (kWrQ3)

30
Lotters, Gawd I loathe the lot of 'em!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 19, 2018 09:49 PM (pNxlR)

31 woot woot SNOT

Posted by: hogmartin at May 19, 2018 09:50 PM (y87Qq)

32 All your lotters are be shoot by us.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at May 19, 2018 09:50 PM (sBHZx)

33 I had a chat today with a guy who is not exactly with the FBI, but who has connections. He said he was appalled by the stuff that started coming out about Comey et al. (just as most of us were). But when he asked a good friend who is a veteran agent, he learned that the rank and file were also disgusted. This is what I have always thought must be the case. No, they didn't all resign in protest, but why should they anyway? No need to fall on a grenade when you can just jump behind a wall and wait for events, dear boy, events to take place. As they are.

Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2018 09:50 PM (Ju3ed)

34 Currently watching a documentary on Fred MacMurray on Amazon Prime. It's good, interesting.

Posted by: Farmer at May 19, 2018 09:50 PM (yJ1e6)

35 Svengoolie is over. What now?

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 19, 2018 09:50 PM (+Tibp)

36 Thanks for the Nick Lowe songs.

Posted by: Deacon Bleau at May 19, 2018 09:51 PM (yScAF)

37 Another Nick Lowe sighting???

Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 09:51 PM (EzdLW)

38 so, watching the pilot of Sliders for the first time.

LOL @sliding into the Pleistocene.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at May 19, 2018 09:51 PM (6FqZa)

39
We oughter change the lotter water

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 19, 2018 09:52 PM (pNxlR)

40 1 - And another fun ONT - Thank you MisHum!

That Ford B-24 item is da bomb!

II) I can *never* express enough my gratitude to The Horde for your love, prayers and support the past year and a half.

C. mrs ibguy uis out of town for the weekend, visiting the daughters, so went to shul by myself this morning (first time ever solo, which is weird). Was fine until Mourner's Kaddish, and I came >this< close to losing it. Hunh.

Posted by: ibguy at May 19, 2018 09:52 PM (vUcdz)

41 Batman. The Green Hornet is on it.

Posted by: Tex Zepplin at May 19, 2018 09:52 PM (UdKB7)

42 Wary

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess - Some pussy-grabbers are more equal than others at May 19, 2018 09:52 PM (iTpm7)

43 Just dawned on me this afternoon that next weekend is Memorial Day weekend. I booked a show for Friday and Saturday months ago not realizing it was Memorial weekend. Well fuck. My three day weekend got winnowed down to a regular weekend because I'm a retard.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 19, 2018 09:52 PM (dUJdY)

44 There's a whole lotter opportunity for pun-ishment here.

Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2018 09:52 PM (Ju3ed)

45 MH, I always enjoy those gorgeous photos you often use but that cat is going to leave me smiling for a long time. Thanks.

Posted by: JTB at May 19, 2018 09:53 PM (V+03K)

46 Every 55 minutes. That war was over before it began.

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 19, 2018 09:53 PM (+Tibp)

47 Hey Miley!! *does Forest Gump wave

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 19, 2018 09:53 PM (dUJdY)

48 Whole lotter shakin' going on

Posted by: Jerry Lee Lewis at May 19, 2018 09:53 PM (zCyNd)

49 Thanks MH.
Been around this place 10 years.
Best ont, or any other cob in that time.
Just one man's opinion.

Posted by: teej at May 19, 2018 09:53 PM (Ixqnq)

50 Currently watching a documentary on Fred MacMurray on Amazon Prime. It's good, interesting.
Posted by: Farmer at May 19, 2018 09:50 PM (yJ1e6)


Considering all the movies he's done, I ought to be ashamed that the only one I can ever picture him in is The Caine Mutiny. On the other hand, The Caine Mutiny is a really really good movie, so... meh.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 19, 2018 09:53 PM (y87Qq)

51 lol,
the Genius Award Winner's boss, saying about him "I liked Lynn. I still like Lynn. He would give you the shirt off his back. He would do anything for you."

Dude solicited sex from male prostitute

Posted by: Hands at May 19, 2018 09:53 PM (EzdLW)

52 Evening, y'all.

Posted by: tbodie at May 19, 2018 09:54 PM (lQn8Y)

53 MacMurry lost his reputation as a good guy when he played the bad guy in The Apartment. It really put people off on him.

Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2018 09:55 PM (Ju3ed)

54 Ibguy.. so sorry about your sister. I saw on the sidebar she has passed and wanted to extend my thoughts and prayers to you and your family.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 19, 2018 09:55 PM (dUJdY)

55 Oh, we're the boys of the chorus
We hope you like our show
We know you're rooting for us
But now we have to gooooooooo!

Posted by: Les Boys at May 19, 2018 09:55 PM (+Tibp)

56 He would do anything for you."

No one is claiming HE asked for money.

Posted by: Second shift Miklos at May 19, 2018 09:55 PM (zCyNd)

57
He stopped, bent down and stared at the scat. He spat.

"Lotters," he said, "Pair of 'em, and one's wearing a Depend undergarment."

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 19, 2018 09:55 PM (pNxlR)

58 Don't muss with Toxas

Posted by: lotter shooters at May 19, 2018 09:56 PM (EzdLW)

59 27 How did they spell "sight" right, after missing "looters" and "shot"?

Posted by: mikeski at May 19, 2018 09:45 PM (JGBbg)

They misspelled that too. It should say "shot on site".

Posted by: Miklos, teleshooter at May 19, 2018 09:48 PM (zCyNd)

++++

Nope. Looters should be shot when you see than, not when they step on the property.

But, the sign should have gone with "cite". That would have been wrong either way.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 19, 2018 09:56 PM (pvjTE)

60 lol,
the Genius Award Winner's boss, saying about him "I liked Lynn. I still like Lynn. He would give you the shirt off his back. He would do anything for you."

Dude solicited sex from male prostitute
Posted by: Hands

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: half of DC at May 19, 2018 09:56 PM (sBHZx)

61 54 Jewells45

Thank you, ma'am.

Must admit, it's rather unnerving not posting BSU's any more.

Worse still it took me 'til darn near the end to even figure out that I *could* abbreviate to BSU.

/facepalm

Posted by: ibguy at May 19, 2018 09:57 PM (vUcdz)

62 The other night, I shot a lotter in my pajamas...

Posted by: Zombie Groucho Marx at May 19, 2018 09:57 PM (EzdLW)

63
53 MacMurry lost his reputation as a good guy when he played the bad guy in The Apartment. It really put people off on him.
Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2018 09:55 PM (Ju3ed)


He didn't come off so good in The Caine Mutiny, either.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 19, 2018 09:57 PM (pNxlR)

64 I was just talking about Bruce Lee earlier and now he's on Batman on MeTV.

Posted by: f'd at May 19, 2018 09:57 PM (UdKB7)

65 How did they spell "sight" right, after missing "looters" and "shot"?

Posted by: mikeski


There isn't a consistency filter in Photoshop is why.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 19, 2018 09:57 PM (LNPd9)

66 The NYT attempted spin I saw today was the hilarious ever.

Posted by: Cm9000 at May 19, 2018 09:57 PM (kWrQ3)

67 What was a lotter doing in your pajamas? *required response*

Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2018 09:57 PM (Ju3ed)

68 Ibguy.. so sorry about your sister. I saw on the sidebar she has passed and wanted to extend my thoughts and prayers to you and your family.
Posted by: Jewells45

Same here. My condolences.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at May 19, 2018 09:57 PM (sBHZx)

69 Those boys from Texas...hope they shoot "lotters" better than they spell!!

Posted by: lin-duh
*******************


Isn't that pic from Ferguson?

Posted by: gNewt at May 19, 2018 09:58 PM (NY0r1)

70 MacMurry lost his reputation as a good guy when he played the bad guy in The Apartment. It really put people off on him.

Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2018 09:55 PM (Ju3ed)

He blamed it on a fit of absentmindedness, and donated all his royalties from flubber to charity.

Posted by: short shift Miklos at May 19, 2018 09:58 PM (zCyNd)

71
62 The other night, I shot a lotter in my pajamas...
Posted by: Zombie Groucho Marx at May 19, 2018 09:57 PM (EzdLW)


How'd it wind up wearing your jammies?

* ba-da bump tssss *

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 19, 2018 09:58 PM (pNxlR)

72 Hitler also did not know that the Soviets had over 22,000 tanks in inventory in 1941 with the new T-34 already rolling off the assembly lines.

The Germans had about 6,000.









Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 19, 2018 09:58 PM (EoRCO)

73 68 Prince Ludwig

Thank you.

Hubby has scheduled a Memorial Service for her on June 4th. I'm on the fence about flying sown, because our connection was with Joyce, not him or Daughter.

We'll see.

Posted by: ibguy at May 19, 2018 09:59 PM (vUcdz)

74 LRA

Les Otters Resistance Army

Les Otters Rule!!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at May 19, 2018 09:59 PM (0tfLf)

75 I guess Caine Mutiny made me think of it but has anyone been watching The Terror? Holy shit.. great show, top notch acting. I'm getting ready to watch episode 10 tomorrow.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 19, 2018 09:59 PM (dUJdY)

76 The Germans learned about Soviet tanks at the Battle of Kursk. Not fun for the Nasties.

Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2018 09:59 PM (Ju3ed)

77 Nick Lowe's so hot in that vid.

Posted by: booknlass at May 19, 2018 09:59 PM (uJ09Y)

78 He would do anything for you.

-
And when I say "anything" . . . .

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2018 10:00 PM (+y/Ru)

79

Aspiring rapper L'Otter E.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2018 10:00 PM (IqV8l)

80 YOU win a L'ottery and YOU win a L'ottery and YOU win a L'ottery.... You ALL win a L'ottery!


Posted by: L'Oppruh at May 19, 2018 10:00 PM (QzJWU)

81 Was fine until Mourner's Kaddish, and I came >this
Posted by: ibguy at May 19, 2018 09:52 PM (vUcdz)


Very sorry for your loss. From your updates, it's obvious that Joyce touched the lives of many people and they loved her for that.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 19, 2018 10:00 PM (5Yee7)

82 Hi ibguy, I put up a post about your friend's book.
link in nic

Posted by: votermom pimping NEW Moron-authored books! at May 19, 2018 10:00 PM (hMwEB)

83 Willowed from previous thread. I love that beach shot of Col Kilgore so much that embrassingly I have Charlie don't surf on a tattoo .

Posted by: NZFrank withanM2 at May 19, 2018 10:01 PM (Nv7Oi)

84 http://bit.ly/2LhfJaS
+++++
Senator Chuck Grassley Asks Rod Rosenstein if He Gave Mueller Independent FISA Authority The Last Refuge

Posted by: Schneider's Brown Slave at May 19, 2018 10:01 PM (y3aQB)

85 In case you stop in NaCly, Gary told me last night that True North got asked to headline the party the night before the "official start" of the country stampede this year.

I'll be there helping out and, well, partying.
At least what passes for partying for this old man any more.

Posted by: teej at May 19, 2018 10:01 PM (Ixqnq)

86 I didn't do it.

This time.

Posted by: gNewt at May 19, 2018 10:02 PM (NY0r1)

87 fucking otters

Posted by: Gollum at May 19, 2018 10:02 PM (HlG5d)

88
Considering all the movies he's done, I ought to be ashamed that the only one I can ever picture him in is The Caine Mutiny. On the other hand, The Caine Mutiny is a really really good movie, so... meh.


Check out Double Indemnity, where he teamed up with Barbara Stanwyck and Edmund G Robinson.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at May 19, 2018 10:02 PM (pNxlR)

89 Isn't that pic from Ferguson?
----
That door those shoters are standing in front of is painter like the Texas flag.

Posted by: lin-duh at May 19, 2018 10:02 PM (kufk0)

90 And so early in the evening.

Hey, say hello to logprof while you're down there.

Posted by: gNewt at May 19, 2018 10:02 PM (NY0r1)

91
MacMurry lost his reputation as a good guy when he played the bad guy in The Apartment. It really put people off on him.

He didn't come off so good in The Caine Mutiny, either.


Or as an insurance salesman.

Being versatile and convincing is what makes an actor, right?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2018 10:03 PM (IqV8l)

92 Ha. Just recently read a book about WWII production in the US (Forge of Freedom).


Actually, Willow Run was the obsession/project of Ford's production guy at the time - whose name escapes me. Volatile character. Had actual fist fights with other executives at the Willow Run plant early on, when things were not taking off as hoped.


He was the successor to Big Bill Knudsen, who moved to GM from Ford and helped make it the dominant auto company. He was also Roosevelt's key guy prior to Pearl Harbor in organizing private industry for military production.


Ford himself was strongly isolationist/pacifist/opposed to involvement in war production, until Pearl Harbor. Pretty amazing story, after FDR called on Knudsen to head up the mobilization effort, Knudsen immediately quit GM and launched into the task.


One of the best episodes was a meeting Knudsen convened, in Detroit, of all the key auto industry players (his long-time colleagues and competitors), at which he basically went around the room, asking things like "Who can handle large forgings? Who can make aviation engines?".


Book said that roughly 20% of all US war production was done by the auto industry (anybody here have a Saginaw Steering M-1 carbine?). Partly of course because it was the largest best organized mass production entity in the economy, and partly thanks to Knudsen's incredibly efforts, and those of his successors (he moved to the Army Air Corps, was the only civilian ever made a major general, and was a global troubleshooter for Gen. Hap Arnold).


Posted by: rhomboid at May 19, 2018 10:03 PM (QDnY+)

93 We're still burning daylight out here in Moab, and it's ONT time!

Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2018 10:03 PM (Ju3ed)

94 Okay, at the piece on bacon and doughnuts being used to lure black bears (look out, Ron Funches!) there's a link to the new fad among the Ladies Who Lunch, called "brieing" -- MDMA wrapped in cheese:

https://tinyurl.com/yce99y5h

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 19, 2018 10:03 PM (qJtVm)

95 g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 19, 2018 10:03 PM (KCxzN)

96 Hitler also did not know that the Soviets had over 22,000 tanks in inventory in 1941 with the new T-34 already rolling off the assembly lines.

-
Both the T-34 and the Il-2 ground attack aircraft were just going operational when Hitler struck. Both proved very effective against the Krauts.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2018 10:04 PM (+y/Ru)

97 Beware of Otter and all the Delta's

Posted by: Quint at May 19, 2018 10:04 PM (n13/j)

98 Muldoon otter have some clever comments tonight.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 19, 2018 10:04 PM (ga0eq)

99 "Hey, say hello to logprof while you're down there"

Logprof is still in the barrel??? Quick get him out before he mutates!

Posted by: f'd at May 19, 2018 10:04 PM (UdKB7)

100 50 Currently watching a documentary on Fred MacMurray on Amazon Prime. It's good, interesting.
Posted by: Farmer at May 19, 2018 09:50 PM (yJ1e6)

Considering all the movies he's done, I ought to be ashamed that the only one I can ever picture him in is The Caine Mutiny. On the other hand, The Caine Mutiny is a really really good movie, so... meh.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 19, 2018 09:53 PM (y87Qq)

++++

Perhaps you are forgetting Double Indemnity? If not, I recommend you correct that oversight posthaste. It's a great movie.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 19, 2018 10:05 PM (pvjTE)

101 That door those shoters are standing in front of is painter like the Texas flag.

Posted by: lin-duh
*****************

Oh. In my mind I remember white guys dressed like that at some riot zone.

Did they have a riot in Texas?

Posted by: gNewt at May 19, 2018 10:05 PM (NY0r1)

102 I guess Caine Mutiny made me think of it but has anyone been watching The Terror? Holy shit.. great show, top notch acting. I'm getting ready to watch episode 10 tomorrow.
Posted by: Jewells45 at May 19, 2018 09:59 PM (dUJdY)


I hadn't heard of it, but it really looks like something I'd like. Do you know if it's on any streaming service? There's a thing on the AMC website that says "You can watch video extras and free full episodes even if you don't have a supported cable provider" but it doesn't say how.

Posted by: hogmartin at May 19, 2018 10:05 PM (y87Qq)

103 {{{teej}}}

Just popped in and saw your comment. I can hear Country Stampede from my house with the right wind. And we always count on rain over the venue. We see that also.

So, are we going to get together in Manhattan? That would be fantastic, and ... unexpected.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 19, 2018 10:06 PM (hyuyC)

104 Considering all the movies he's done, I ought to be ashamed that the only one I can ever picture him in is The Caine Mutiny. On the other hand, The Caine Mutiny is a really really good movie, so... meh.

---------

It was no Son of Flubber, but....

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 19, 2018 10:06 PM (ga0eq)

105 The NYT spin was that Trump made some crazy claims about Obama administration interference in a presidential election, when that is exactly what happened.

Posted by: Cm9000 at May 19, 2018 10:07 PM (kWrQ3)

106 MacMurry lost his reputation as a good guy when he played the bad guy in The Apartment. It really put people off on him.

He didn't come off so good in The Caine Mutiny, either.

Or as an insurance salesman.

Being versatile and convincing is what makes an actor, right?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.


And he went on to "My Three Sons". The man had range.

Another bad guy who went good is Raymond Burr.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 19, 2018 10:07 PM (+lVUW)

107 75 I guess Caine Mutiny made me think of it but has anyone been watching The Terror? Holy shit.. great show, top notch acting. I'm getting ready to watch episode 10 tomorrow.
Posted by: Jewells45 at May 19, 2018 09:59 PM (dUJdY)
----------
I love it, it's horrible and I can't look away.

I was reading about all the attempts to find the Northwest Passage and it always seemed to end in scurvy, cannibalism, and death.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at May 19, 2018 10:07 PM (qJtVm)

108 No riots I know of in Texas but during hurricanes they have issues...

Posted by: lin-duh at May 19, 2018 10:07 PM (kufk0)

109
If you like the water,Then you really otter,
Learn how to swimAt the YMCA!

Posted by: Old Jingle at May 19, 2018 10:07 PM (HlG5d)

110 I guess Caine Mutiny made me think of it but has anyone been watching The Terror? Holy shit.. great show, top notch acting. I'm getting ready to watch episode 10 tomorrow.
Posted by: Jewells45

I've been watching and it's both fascinating and top notch quality. Can't wait for the finale on Monday.

Posted by: Les Boys at May 19, 2018 10:08 PM (+Tibp)

111
Her Majesty just arrived at her first stop for the night in Salina, Kansas. So Step 1 of her drive to Richland is over. Cheyenne is the next stop, then Salt Lake City, then Twin Falls.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 19, 2018 10:08 PM (KhZeB)

112 The thing about the role in The Apartment was that he was cheating on his Mrs. Didn't go over well back in the early 60s.

Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2018 10:08 PM (Ju3ed)

113 "Did they have a riot in Texas?'

Remeber the Allamo!

Posted by: f'd at May 19, 2018 10:08 PM (UdKB7)

114 Those boys from Texas...hope they shoot "lotters" better than they spell"

Indeed.

And yes, it's a Photoshop.

Posted by: Anon a mouse at May 19, 2018 10:08 PM (7LY+6)

115 was reading about all the attempts to find the Northwest Passage and it always seemed to end in scurvy, cannibalism, and death.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

Don't forget the sodomy!

Posted by: Les Boys at May 19, 2018 10:09 PM (+Tibp)

116 Being versatile and convincing is what makes an actor, right?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
-----------------------------

He was a leading man and played serious villains in the 30s.

Yes, he was a true actor.

Posted by: gNewt at May 19, 2018 10:09 PM (NY0r1)

117 Another great McMurray/ Stanwyck pic is "Remember the Night". The very idea that Stanwyck never won an Oscar is shameful. She in good company though, along with Cary Grant, Deb Kerr, Hitch and others. But of course Hilary Swank has won two. All makes sense don't it ??

Posted by: REDACTED at May 19, 2018 10:09 PM (Ymy4N)

118 I work less than three miles (as the crow flies) from the Willow Run airport

the air museum at Willow Run still flies a B-17 & a B-25

we're right on the glide path (turning off of base onto final); was overflown by the B-25 half a dozen times on Friday

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 19, 2018 10:10 PM (KCxzN)

119 Hey everybody. Been noticing license plate slogans lately.

New Hampshire: "Live Free Or Die"
Kentucky: "In God We Trust"
California: "Spay & Neuter Saves Lives"

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 19, 2018 10:10 PM (eMKNe)

120 Those Texans really don't like Trent Lott supporters...

Posted by: short shrift Miklos at May 19, 2018 10:10 PM (zCyNd)

121 Both the T-34 and the Il-2 ground attack aircraft were just going operational when Hitler struck. Both proved very effective against the Krauts.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler

It helped that the Hun made 1200 Tiger tanks during the course of the war, the Soviets made 1200 T-34s a month (in factories we built for them. You're welcome Vlad)
Production wins wars.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at May 19, 2018 10:10 PM (sBHZx)

122 66 The NYT attempted spin I saw today was the hilarious ever.
Posted by: Cm9000


You know someone is lacking in character and integrity when they screw up and can't manage a decent apology.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 19, 2018 10:10 PM (+lVUW)

123 Hitler also did not know that the Soviets had over 22,000 tanks in inventory in 1941 with the new T-34 already rolling off the assembly lines.

The Germans had about 6,000.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 19, 2018 09:58 PM (EoRCO)


The Germans had a complete failure in intelligence-gathering concerning Soviet tanks. The Germans thought that their Panzer III tanks with the short 50mm guns would be a match for the Soviet tanks. The Germans were still using the 37mm PAK anti-tank gun for their infantry.

The Germans were shocked once they encountered the Soviet heavy tanks. I read a contemporary account where the Germans were employing 105mm howitzers in a direct-fire role during Operation Barbarrosa in 1941.

By 1943, the Germans had developed better tanks but the Soviets had overwhelming numbers. As they say, quantity has a quality all its own.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 19, 2018 10:10 PM (5Yee7)

124 The Ottermo?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2018 10:10 PM (IqV8l)

125 Ibguy. I know funerals/memorials are more for the immediate family than the deceased; but I would encourage you to go or at least send a letter or video statement of what Joyce meant to you.

Posted by: PaleRider, simply irredeemable at May 19, 2018 10:10 PM (84F5k)

126 81 RBC

Thank you! Looking forward to next SWOHMoMe.

82 votermom

Saw that - Thank You!!

Posted by: ibguy at May 19, 2018 10:11 PM (vUcdz)

127 New Hampshire: "Live Free Or Die"
Kentucky: "In God We Trust"
California: "Spay & Neuter Saves Lives"
Posted by: qdpsteve

Oklahoma is OK.

No shit. OK. Meh

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 19, 2018 10:11 PM (+Tibp)

128
I read that Willow Run, while eventually putting out B-24s at a fast clip, had a lot of teething pains and didn't hit projected rates until 1944.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 19, 2018 10:11 PM (KhZeB)

129 Hogmartin, I really don't know. We are still attached to cable, for now. Not sure if it can be streamed but my son wanted to watch Walking Dead after he cut the cord and hasn't been able to.

Posted by: Jewells45 at May 19, 2018 10:11 PM (dUJdY)

130 As they say, quantity has a quality all its own.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 19, 2018 10:10 PM (5Yee7)

Just roll us in flour...

Posted by: Fat Chicks Everywhere at May 19, 2018 10:12 PM (zCyNd)

131 The German 88s were originally meant to be AA guns, but they used them as anti-tank weapons to good effect.

Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2018 10:12 PM (Ju3ed)

132 Blutarski, OK ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 19, 2018 10:12 PM (eMKNe)

133 Hadrian the Seventh

Salina is pretty peaceful these days. Still a lot of aviators training there. But Her Majesty is safe from the ubiquitous drone operator wannabes.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 19, 2018 10:12 PM (hyuyC)

134 Was reading about WW1 yesterday.

The more I learn about it, the more it sounds to me like it could be described as a giant geopolitical barroom brawl.

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 19, 2018 10:13 PM (eMKNe)

135 Mass " we're full up with massholes"

Posted by: REDACTED at May 19, 2018 10:13 PM (Ymy4N)

136 125 PaleRider

Agreed and understood. Hence the ambivalence. But it looks like a fair number of her friends (and perhaps some family) will be there, which is why I'm currently leaning slightly towards going.

Posted by: ibguy at May 19, 2018 10:13 PM (vUcdz)

137 I'll try to figure out how to make it work.
What I probably will have to do is fine a way to park my ride outside the backstage area then hop in the vehicle with the band to ride on in.

They get really persnickity about such things there.

If not at the stampede we'll get something set up to get together over your way.
And if you get the chance and still have my email, could you shoot me a short hello so I can write yours down.
Can't get my cheap phone to save to contacts.

Posted by: teej at May 19, 2018 10:14 PM (Ixqnq)

138 Oklahoma is OK.

No shit. OK. Meh

Posted by: Blutarski-esque 0.0 at May 19, 2018 10:11 PM (+Tibp)

You can ask for "Where the wind comes sweeping down the plains" but you have to pay for three plates

Posted by: Miklos collects vanity armadillo plates at May 19, 2018 10:14 PM (zCyNd)

139 Batman and The Green Hornet vs Harry Mudd.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2018 10:14 PM (IqV8l)

140 The Otterman Empire might have dominated Europe except that shallfish population collapsed during the Last Glacial Maximum.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 19, 2018 10:14 PM (ga0eq)

141 L'Otters better be afraid.

Posted by: French-Canadian Fur Trappers at May 19, 2018 10:14 PM (WU8si)

142 Production wins wars.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Deplorable at May 19, 2018 10:10 PM (sBHZx)


"We lost the Balkans and Ukraine. They're moving on Russia now."
"Where do we make the tanks?"
"Here, in the east."
"Move them all a couple hundred miles away from the lines... here."
"The tanks?"
"The factories. And the workers."

Posted by: hogmartin at May 19, 2018 10:15 PM (y87Qq)

143 The NYT spin was classic. Brennan probliibly was the source.

Posted by: Cm9000 at May 19, 2018 10:15 PM (kWrQ3)

144 Hadrian, correct, as I noted above, Willow Run had a rough start. As I recall from the book, a lot of progress was made when they started farming out sub-assemblies, and doing final assembly at Willow Run. That allowed them to hit full potential.


Interesting story, when the Ford team flew to San Diego to study how Consolidated built the B-24, they discovered that unlike their auto production, there were constant design tweaks and changes, and a lot of "craft" type production - hand-fitting and finishing. Not true flexible mass production. They had to transform the B-24's plans into the kind with tight tolerances in order to go to mass production.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 19, 2018 10:16 PM (QDnY+)

145 So, Henry was gearing up for WWII, actually in production for WWII 6 months before it started.

Puts a little dent in the stories of him being a Nazi sympathizer the likes of Joseph Lobotomy.

Posted by: gNewt at May 19, 2018 10:16 PM (NY0r1)

146 Evening, Horde. Posting from an alternate computer. My regular machine cacked out on me. I think the hard drive controller is gerfookt. It won't boot from either the Win7 hard disc, or from the XP hard disc. I did get it booted from a rescue disc, and it's running a disc analyzer program in a Linux environment. Slow process. Finding a kinds of errors.

Anyhow, I am posting from an eMachine on which I loaded Linux Mint 18.1 and it's working OK. Mozilla Firefox is the default browser, so I got to see all the ads.

Once the disk exam is over, I may power things down, and move my Win7 drive to this machine, and see if it will boot. If it does, then that confirms a bad controller on the other machine's MB, I guess.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 19, 2018 10:17 PM (dOgJt)

147 Sometimes even the most fearsome vehicle of war can be taken down by a simple thing, like when the Joker shot down the Batmobile with a long-barreled .38 special.

Posted by: Ruthless at May 19, 2018 10:18 PM (Ju3ed)

148 Anyhow, I am posting from an eMachine on which I loaded Linux Mint 18.1 and it's working OK.

Meh, OK.