Sunday Overnight Open Thread (7/21/19)

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The Quotes of The Day


Quote I

"I'm drowning in debt for a piece of paper I never received. Nobody should be in this position." Ashlee Last Name Withheld


Quote III

President of the American Vaping Association is a fan of the ONT and Misanthropic Humanitarian
Well, he's a fan of the ONT quoting him. Still -- I think that's something!
Can we start quoting Demi Rose, fellas? AIM HIGHER Ace


Quote III

All you can do is do your best. Demi Rose


Quote IV

"Yes, the government got the results of what I did. But then, they also didn't charge me for the other hundred ideas that didn't work." David Warren


Quote V

“I think the challenges are very similar. Obviously, every community, every police department is unique, but the success we had in New Orleans is directly transferable to here and we will modify it as necessary.” Dan Murphy

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Good work if you can get it. And it is constitutionally protected.

A federal court on Wednesday rejected claims by an unlicensed “health coach” that the unqualified health advice she provided to paying clients was protected speech under the First Amendment.

In rejecting her claim, the court affirmed that states do indeed have the right to require that anyone charging for health and medical services—in this case, dietetics and nutrition advice—be qualified and licensed. (State laws governing who can offer personalized nutrition services vary considerably, however.)

Heather Del Castillo, a “holistic health coach” based in Florida, brought the case in October of 2017 shortly after she was busted in an undercover investigation by the state health department. At the time, Del Castillo was running a health-coaching business called Constitution Nutrition, which offered a personalized, six-month health and dietary program. The program involved 13 in-home consulting sessions, 12 of which cost $95 each.


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Paul Joseph Watson loves Congress critter Ilhan Omar..........


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A man ended up losing his baby. You don't say? Just another case of mental illness run amok.

Another example of the problems created by destroying the meaning of words is exemplified in an article called Blurred lines: A pregnant man’s tragedy tests gender notions.

The author criticizes hospital staff for treating a transgender man like a man.

You would think that’s what they are supposed to do, right? Go along with the new make-believe definition of male and female, just like the headlines does (because just a reminder, in the real world, men can’t be pregnant).

But now hospital staff are being blamed for failing to realize that this “man” was pregnant…

“He was rightly classified as a man” in the medical records and appears masculine, Stroumsa [lead author of a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine] said. “But that classification threw us off from considering his actual medical needs.”

Sadly, the “man” ended up losing the baby.


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Yawn. Another 10 year time frame to change the way we live to save the world. Radical change needed to make UK food and farming system sustainable within 10 years

The true cost of cheap, unhealthy food is a spiralling public health crisis and environmental destruction, according to a high-level commission. It said the UK’s food and farming system must be radically transformed and become sustainable within 10 years.

The commission’s report, which was welcomed by the environment secretary, Michael Gove, concluded that farmers must be enabled to shift from intensive farming to more organic and wildlife friendly production, raising livestock on grass and growing more nuts and pulses. It also said a National Nature Service should be created to give opportunities for young people to work in the countryside and, for example, tackle the climate crisis by planting trees or restoring peatlands.


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I know a lot of people think my attraction to chandeliers is strange, but I'm not crazy.

Bride plans to marry chandelier - but is in open relationship with other objects
Amanda Liberty, 35, changed her surname by deed poll during a previous relationship with the Statue of Liberty

Crazy? F*cking nuts. Really f*cking nuts!


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Good bye body-shaming. Hello coffee-shaming.

Suze Orman wants young people to stop “peeing” away millions of dollars on coffee. Last month, the personal-finance celebrity ignited a controversy on social media when a video she starred in for CNBC targeted a familiar villain: kids these days and their silly $5 lattes. Because brewing coffee at home is less expensive, Orman argued, purchasing it elsewhere is tantamount to flushing money away, which makes it a worthy symbol of Millennials’ squandered resources.


Wasteful spending?

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If you are headed to the EAA in Oshkosh, WI next month and have a few dollars burning a hole in your pocket. You may want to order the largest hybrid electric plane to date.

Not long ago, hybrids were novelties on roads around the world. The skies may be next.

Ampair, a Los Angeles clean tech company in my neck of the woods, is set to begin accepting orders for a hybrid electric aircraft at the EAA AirVenture airshow in Wisconsin next week. Dubbed the EEL, the aircraft is in fact a retrofit of a Cessna 337, an aircraft that has a forward-mounted prop engine that pulls and a rear-mounted prop engine that pushes. Ampair's retrofit will replace one of those internal combustion engines with an electric motor powered by batteries.

It's the latest example of a long-pursued goal of electrification in air travel. Aviation currently contributes 12 percent of all U.S. carbon emissions and 4.9 percent globally. With rising awareness of the threats of carbon emissions, there's been renewed interest in e-planes, with companies like magniX and Ampair racing to develop viable electric drivetrains.


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I feel safe now, don't you?

Martin admitted to collecting terabytes of hush-hush dossiers, manuals, code, blueprints, and such files, from the NSA over the course of his 22-year career as a private contractor with the American intelligence agency. From 1993 to 2006, Martin hoarded data classified as "Secret" and "Top Secret" and took them home to his Maryland residence.

The documents Martin stole were said to include NSA reports on its targets and the intrusion techniques foreign hacking groups had used against Uncle Sam. He also collected software and documents on the exploits and monitoring tools that NSA and US government hackers used against foreign targets.


The ONT Musical Interlude



On this day: July 21, 1955 - Howie Epstein
Howie Epstein, bass, Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, (1977 single 'American Girl', 1989 UK No.28 single 'I Won't Back Down', 1991 UK No.3 album 'Into The Great Wide Open'). Died of a suspected drug overdose in New Mexico on 23rd February 2003. via thisdayinmusic.com


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The next Cheech or Chong. Genius Award Winner.

teenager is facing serious consequences after ramming into a police car and breaking an officer's leg.

Benjamin Saurini, 19, says he had trouble seeing out of his windshield on Friday because of the pot smoke fogging up his car windows. Saurini admitted he was trying to flee police near Melbourne, Australia, after smoking cannabis in the car with some friends.

Driving away from the scene, he panicked and side-swiped a police cruiser—pinning a senior constable against the car and breaking the officer's leg. The constable is still in the hospital after undergoing surgery on Monday.


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Since you can't take it with you when you go, you might as well be Tonight's Feel Good Story of The Day.


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Top Commenters Week of July 21, 2019

Top 10 commenters:
1 [639 comments] 'TheJamesMadison' [89.70 posts/day]
2 [506 comments] 'J.J. Sefton'
3 [504 comments] 'Mark Andrew Edwards, Angry, Radical, Anti-Liberal, and Dangerous Lion: buy ammo'
4 [502 comments] 'Deplorable Jay Guevara'
5 [493 comments] 'Insomniac'
6 [461 comments] 'Sponge'
7 [427 comments] 'Tom Servo'
8 [423 comments] 'Mr. Peebles'
9 [423 comments] 'rickb223'
10 [343 comments] 'kraken'

Top 10 sockpuppeteers:
1 [150 names] 'Pock-e-stahn and Cudder' [21.06 unique names/day]
2 [46 names] 'space force'
3 [28 names] 'Count de Monet'
4 [27 names] 'HA'
5 [26 names] 'boulder t'hobo'
6 [26 names] 'Meade Lux Lewis'
7 [23 names] 'Sponge'
8 [23 names] 'Adriane the Thursday Critic ...'
9 [22 names] 'davidt'
10 [21 names] 'The ARC of History!'

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Posted by: Ha at July 21, 2019 10:00 PM (MAstk)

2 Yas!

Posted by: Ha at July 21, 2019 10:01 PM (MAstk)

3 Nothing quite like a full moon!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 10:01 PM (BiNEL)

4 VW ad never gets old

Posted by: Appycay at July 21, 2019 10:01 PM (8G3+Q)

5 10th?

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 10:02 PM (dUJdY)

6 Top 10?

Posted by: Tonypete at July 21, 2019 10:02 PM (Z/1Kk)

7 "I'm drowning in debt for a piece of paper I never received. Nobody should be in this position." Ashlee Last Name Withheld


...


Lolgf

Posted by: Ha at July 21, 2019 10:02 PM (MAstk)

8 Well shit, okay I'll take 5th. Or a 5th.. whatever.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 10:02 PM (dUJdY)

9 Top Tenſt?

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at July 21, 2019 10:03 PM (7WaWV)

10 It's raining here again. We got soaked last night. No more rain please.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 10:03 PM (dUJdY)

11 Great VW add.
I owned three.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 21, 2019 10:03 PM (axyOa)

12 8 Well shit, okay I'll take 5th. Or a 5th.. whatever.
Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 10:02 PM (dUJdY)


Have a double for me young lady.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 10:04 PM (aA3+G)

13 Good Evening

Posted by: wing at July 21, 2019 10:05 PM (JFzNN)

14 Sick bothy up there, bruh.

In other news, "bothy" is my new favorite word.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 10:07 PM (t+qrx)

15 Just think, by some marvelous mechanism of the universe, mostly sane people post at AoS.

Then consider what rabid batsh!t crazy people there are that post at twatter and farceburg. That should scare the heck out of you are contemplating a future!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 10:07 PM (BiNEL)

16

The sun shines through the hole in that hill to indicate the passage to the centre of the earth. Either that or the lost Dutchman's mine.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 10:07 PM (aKsyK)

17 Have a double for me young lady.

Will do boss.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 10:07 PM (dUJdY)

18 In fairness to the late Senator from Massachusetts, he'll be ten years sober 25 August.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 10:08 PM (ykYG2)

19 Run *amok*. Not "run a muck". wtf is wrong with people these days that they no longer possess basic fucking writing skills?

Posted by: chickbait at July 21, 2019 10:08 PM (aki8O)

20 Ashlee Last Name Withheld,

You are now the new 'slave' and you will work the rest of your life to pay off your debt.

But, wait, it gets better.

You get to compete with endless illegal aliens, without debt, to survive.

You are

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 21, 2019 10:08 PM (1g7ch)

21 Heather Del Castillo, a "holistic health coach" based in Florida, brought the case in October of 2017 shortly after she was busted in an undercover investigation by the state health department. At the time, Del Castillo was running a health-coaching business called Constitution Nutrition, which offered a personalized, six-month health and dietary program. The program involved 13 in-home consulting sessions, 12 of which cost $95 each.

In fairness to Heather Del Castillo, is she any less of a con artist than Jane D'Oh's "Life Coach" sister in law?

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 21, 2019 10:08 PM (+lVUW)

22 Run *amok*. Not "run a muck". wtf is wrong with people these days that they no longer possess basic fucking writing skills?
Posted by: chickbait

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There terrible, aren't they?

*ducks*

Posted by: Tonypete at July 21, 2019 10:09 PM (Z/1Kk)

23 Demi Rose is cute... But dat blubbery cetacean azz is a deal breaker!

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at July 21, 2019 10:09 PM (7WaWV)

24 18 In fairness to the late Senator from Massachusetts, he'll be ten years sober 25 August.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 10:08 PM (ykYG2

Ha, hope he is as thirsty as thirsty can be.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 10:09 PM (aA3+G)

25 All you can do is do your best


And your best can vary wildly from day to day, month to month, year to year.

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:09 PM (AkkRZ)

26 Tubed down the Provo river with Son, & Gson, then took the lift up to Bear claw cabin @ Sundance for a burrito lunch. Hope your day was half as good as mine- even with a slight sunburn.

Some days it just feels really good to be American.
MAGA

Posted by: Quilp at July 21, 2019 10:10 PM (Bf3hj)

27

Is there supposed to be a Quote II?
Quote III doesn't have a link.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 10:10 PM (aKsyK)

28 wtf is wrong with people these days that they no longer possess basic fucking writing skills?


Posted by: chickbait at July 21, 2019 10:08 PM (aki8O)


You know where they possess those skills?


HotAir.com


You should try it out.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2019 10:10 PM (wYseH)

29 Beautiful photo up top. Where is that?

Posted by: Tuna at July 21, 2019 10:10 PM (jm1YL)

30 Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:09 PM (AkkRZ)

So, you and that husband of yours moving to Montana soon?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 10:10 PM (aA3+G)

31 Gotta drive home before the weather moves in. No time to play on the ONT. But it will be nice to come home to.

Posted by: mindful webworker's cell is a hassle at July 21, 2019 10:11 PM (OkKDg)

32 Many moons ago, I lived in a apartment complex in Atlanta GA. The drainage system was obviously NOT designed by Ga Tech Engineers and during one hellacious rainstorm, the parking lot behind my apartment building flooded bigly. Mrs H and I watched all of the several VW's floated around in the parking lot while all the other cars just got water-logged.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 10:11 PM (BiNEL)

33 Gorgeous photo Mis Hum. Know where that is?

Posted by: cfo mom at July 21, 2019 10:14 PM (RfzVr)

34 "Yas!
-Posted by: Ha at July 21, 2019 10:01 PM (MAstk)

Don't get used to it.

See you all on Tuesday!

G'Night, Ev'ry-Buddy!

*static*

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 10:14 PM (Ckg4U)

35 Huh. I saw the vaping thing in the sidebar and thought Demi Rose was a commentator or activist or something like that. But no. Maybe I was thinking of Lila Rose.

I still have no idea who Demi Rose is.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 10:14 PM (t+qrx)

36
Trump converts, runs for Pope:

https://tinyurl.com/ha398cq

Well, I have to tell you folks, under a Trump papacy we are going to repeal and replace the Novus Ordo.

(Wild cheers, applause)

Repeal and replace the Novus Ordo. We have no choice folks, we have no choice. We really don't. The Novus Ordo is going to collapse on its own anyway. Mass attendance keeps plummeting. We have to do something. The Novus Ordo will be repealed and it will be replaced with something much better and magnificent. More and reverent and beautiful. Don't you want something reverent and beautiful for our Mass?

(Cheers)

I found this book the other day. It's a 1962 Missal. I read it, it's fantastic. Maybe we go back to the 1962 Missal? Is that OK?

(Cheers, applause)

Maybe we go back to Latin. I'm a big fan of the Latin. When we used Latin we were number one. We went to English and now the Muslims outnumber us. They kept Arabic they go to number one, we ditch Latin, we go to number two. I'm just saying.


Make Catholicism Great Again.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 10:15 PM (Wx/+I)

37 "I'm drowning in debt for a piece of paper I never received," she says. "Nobody should be in this position."

I guess where I differ from young Ashley is who is at fault for putting her in the position nobody should be in.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 10:15 PM (h2Bdk)

38 Howdy y'all!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 21, 2019 10:15 PM (PkVlr)

39 I still have no idea who Demi Rose is.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 10:14 PM (t+qrx)


She's the girl with the humungus butt.

Posted by: DR.WTF at July 21, 2019 10:15 PM (aS1PU)

40 So, you and that husband of yours moving to Montana soon?



LOL. We have found a house and are scheduled to move into Midwest Montana at the end of Augus.

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:16 PM (AkkRZ)

41 >> But dat blubbery cetacean azz is a deal breaker!

I agree Demi is well past the steatopygous line, but don't you talk about the callipygian Yanet.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 10:16 PM (f1Vqw)

42 Trump converts, runs for Pope:
(...)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 10:15 PM (Wx/+I)


What would his papal name be?

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 10:16 PM (t+qrx)

43 The obvious solution to student loan debt is price controls.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 21, 2019 10:17 PM (SJIH3)

44 I feel safe now, don't you?


Ever wonder why most of these data leak stories involve contractors?

Because 90% of employees at the super-serket spie agencies are actually contractors....

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 21, 2019 10:17 PM (1g7ch)

45

And mind me platypus duck, Bill
Mind me platypus duck
Ah, don't let 'im go running amok, Bill
Just mind me platypus duck

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 10:17 PM (aKsyK)

46 Shibumi, are you and Bozo really moving to MT? Because a party is necessary!!!

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at July 21, 2019 10:17 PM (aPc3n)

47 Happy-ish Sunday Evening, all y'all ...

Posted by: Adriane the Chronoligical Critic ... at July 21, 2019 10:17 PM (LPnfS)

48 >> I still have no idea who Demi Rose is.

She's Ace's waifu. Go to the Daily Mail and you'll see all sorts of "updates" on her in the T&A sidebar.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/demi-
rose/index.html

Remove line feed. Demi's got her own index page at the DM.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 10:18 PM (f1Vqw)

49 'Make Catholicism Great Again'

might have to keep watching The Young Pope.

I *did* like what I saw of Mr Sunshine. Although it was getting hard to keep track of who was doing what and when, because of the flashbacks.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 10:18 PM (ykYG2)

50 Kennedy could have been driving a duck boat and Mary Jo would have still been drowned .

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:19 PM (2DOZq)

51 Suze Orman wants young people to stop "peeing" away millions of dollars on coffee.

As opposed to all the other ways people piss away their money.
The problem isn't $5 lattes, it's a lack of personal responsibility. Spend your money on whatever you want, just don't tell me that people shouldn't have to pay back their student loans, or that we aren't giving enough free shit to people who have 3 kids out of wedlock.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 21, 2019 10:19 PM (+lVUW)

52 Demi Rose is the plastic surgery Fembot of the Moment.

If you don't already know who she is, don't bother, because the next one will be along in a minute.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 21, 2019 10:19 PM (SJIH3)

53 She's the girl with the humungus butt.
Posted by: DR.WTF at July 21, 2019 10:15 PM (aS1PU)


Yeah, looks like. I was just wondering if I should recognize her from something.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 10:20 PM (t+qrx)

54 I'll take Things That Aren't Actually Happening For $10, Alex:

From Vice:

Straight Men Recall the First Time They Were Attracted to a Trans Woman
Tons of men are into trans girls, they just don't admit it.


That's why SJW's have to try to badger straight maies into not "discriminating" against trans people sexually - because trans people are just deluged with straight males wanting to have sex with them.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 10:20 PM (I2/tG)

55 Shibumi, are you and Bozo really moving to MT? Because a party is necessary!!!


LOL. "Midwest Montana," the place where the rivers are made of fire and the wildlife is retarded because of tainted rain water. Aka "Ohio."

But I hear that I can still do my dental floss farming there, as long as I'm not in the city limits..

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:20 PM (AkkRZ)

56
Oh, and I forgot: Demi has one YUGE, HONKIN' AZZ.

She's got enough ass she could fill out the backsides of a dozen Brie Larsons and still not miss anything.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 10:20 PM (f1Vqw)

57 Sick bothy up there, bruh.

In other news, "bothy" is my new favorite word.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 10:07 PM



I'm not sure that's a true bothy, hog... It's got no spade by the door...

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at July 21, 2019 10:20 PM (7WaWV)

58 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 10:15 PM (Wx/+I)

Amen!

Posted by: Cher at July 21, 2019 10:20 PM (dm05u)

59 'obvious solution to student loan debt is price controls'

Do it. Seriously, Congress should fucking do it. If they're getting Federal loans, they're our bitch. Time to make them roll over and beg for treats.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 10:20 PM (ykYG2)

60 Helloooooo nurse!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 10:21 PM (NWiLs)

61 Mary Jo would have still been drowned .

I see what you did there.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 10:21 PM (ykYG2)

62
Trump converts, runs for Pope:

What would his papal name be?


The Man Who Would Be King of the Popes

https://youtu.be/L2xWQr4VaUA

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 10:21 PM (aKsyK)

63 Evening, Horde!

The mention of Demi Rose's ass makes me want to hide under the covers.

Posted by: The Hoser at July 21, 2019 10:22 PM (v3UCk)

64 Oh, and I forgot: Demi has one YUGE, HONKIN' AZZ.

She's got enough ass she could fill out the backsides of a dozen Brie Larsons and still not miss anything.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 10:20 PM (f1Vqw)


Gravity and age are going to catch her real fast.

Posted by: DR.WTF at July 21, 2019 10:22 PM (aS1PU)

65
Applied for a job where I lacked just one (unimportant) qualification but otherwise hit every other point. Naturally there was a question: do you have a PhD in Organic Chemistry? No, mine's in Inorganic Chemistry, but I've worked in petrochemicals and polymers for 35 years. But I'll still be rejected.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 10:22 PM (Wx/+I)

66 'obvious solution to student loan debt is price controls'


Years ago, Dennis Miller had a great solution to student debt: it does not have to be paid to the colleges until the students get a full time job in their chosen field. So... loan payback is directly related to job prospects.

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:22 PM (AkkRZ)

67 Sibumi,

Y'all will love western Montana. I've been in many spots there. It is t too far of a haul from Seattle. I've done Seattle to butte in 12 hours. I'd certainly make an effort to bring y'all a housewarming gift once you get settled.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 21, 2019 10:22 PM (PkVlr)

68 You can have oney or the othery, but not bothy.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 10:23 PM (NWiLs)

69 Y'all will love western Montana. I've been in many spots there. It is t too far of a haul from Seattle. I've done Seattle to butte in 12 hours. I'd certainly make an effort to bring y'all a housewarming gift once you get settled.




LOL. NOT MONTANA.

The Montana of the Midwest. Aka "Ohio."

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:23 PM (AkkRZ)

70 'obvious solution to student loan debt is price controls'

Do it. Seriously, Congress should fucking do it. If they're getting Federal loans, they're our bitch. Time to make them roll over and beg for treats.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 10:20 PM (ykYG2)



That or flip on the schools and make them cosign the loans.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 21, 2019 10:23 PM (1g7ch)

71 Shibumi,
Alas. Our loss.

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at July 21, 2019 10:24 PM (aPc3n)

72 Hi Insom!

What's this I hear about you being a chick magnet?

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 21, 2019 10:24 PM (PkVlr)

73 I love that Pat Boone could be a big success and not take himself too seriously. I certainly don't think any of today's "stars" could do that.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 10:24 PM (qc+VF)

74
Suze Orman wants young people to stop "peeing" away millions of dollars on coffee.

As opposed to all the other ways people piss away their money.
The problem isn't $5 lattes, it's a lack of personal responsibility.


It's just Dave Ramsey style common sense steps.
One can come off as rather preachy about it some times though.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 10:25 PM (aKsyK)

75 lol off half breed sock

Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 10:25 PM (dm05u)

76 69 Y'all will love western Montana. I've been in many spots there. It is t too far of a haul from Seattle. I've done Seattle to butte in 12 hours. I'd certainly make an effort to bring y'all a housewarming gift once you get settled.




LOL. NOT MONTANA.

The Montana of the Midwest. Aka "Ohio."
Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:23 PM (AkkRZ)

So when does the John Katshit get eaten by bears?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 10:25 PM (aA3+G)

77 Anecdotally, Bozo Conservative has a nephew in Montana that we might visit. And who knows what will happen in the future?

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:25 PM (AkkRZ)

78 >> The mention of Demi Rose's ass makes me want to hide under the covers.

Resistance is futile. You will be ASSimilated.

Posted by: Demi's Ass at July 21, 2019 10:26 PM (f1Vqw)

79 72 Hi Insom!

What's this I hear about you being a chick magnet?
Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 21, 2019 10:24 PM (PkVlr)

Ro-roh.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 10:26 PM (aA3+G)

80 No big fan of Suze Orman, but she is so right. I worked with a girl, close to my age, made the same $$ as me. Everyday she came in with a Starbucks. Every lunch went and got another.


Raved about her landlord being so mean as to charging her late fees and about the shut off notices from the utilities. But had a new tattoo every couple months.

I brought a thermos of home brew every day. Some people just can't do math. Even when you lay it right out for them, they cannot fathom "It's only $4", equals $250 a month.


Posted by: cfo mom at July 21, 2019 10:27 PM (RfzVr)

81 Montana is much prettier than Ohio

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 21, 2019 10:27 PM (PkVlr)

82 shibumi, ohio is ohio. no montana about it. except, idiot politicians. i slept through montana for a couple days once. ohio, was a few hours of sleep deprived bliss.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 21, 2019 10:28 PM (KP5rU)

83 All you can do is do your best. Demi Rose
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Wow. What a sage. I can see why Ace wants you guys to quote her.

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 10:28 PM (aXucN)

84 72 Hi Insom!

What's this I hear about you being a chick magnet?
Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 21, 2019 10:24 PM (PkVlr)

Sounds like idle gossip.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 10:28 PM (NWiLs)

85 Regarding the VW ad. Teddy probably still would have exited the car and left her there to fend for herself.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 21, 2019 10:29 PM (+lVUW)

86 No matter where you go

There you are

Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at July 21, 2019 10:29 PM (PkVlr)

87 No matter where you go

There you are
Posted by: Buckaroo Banzai at July 21, 2019 10:29 PM (PkVlr)


Lemme think about that...

Posted by: DR.WTF at July 21, 2019 10:30 PM (aS1PU)

88 83 All you can do is do your best. Demi Rose
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Wow. What a sage. I can see why Ace wants you guys to quote her.
Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 10:28 PM (aXucN)


Hey, I'm here for the dental plan and the criticism.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 10:30 PM (aA3+G)

89 Ohio is the friendliest state
Oh, Hi, Yo!

Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 10:30 PM (dm05u)

90 My saving grace as a young and stupid 20 something is that I hated owing anybody and would do everything to avoid it. I guess it was also a negative because I didn't take some chances in life because of the possible financial failure risks.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:31 PM (2DOZq)

91 89 Ohio is the friendliest state
Oh, Hi, Yo!
Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 10:30 PM (dm05u)


Show Me

Posted by: State of Missouri at July 21, 2019 10:31 PM (aA3+G)

92
Demi Rose's ass is nasty. Nice tits and hourglass, but dat ass, yuck.

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at July 21, 2019 10:31 PM (w3OLr)

93 78 >> The mention of Demi Rose's ass makes me want to hide under the covers. 

Resistance is futile. You will be ASSimilated.

Posted by: Demi's Ass at July 21, 2019 10:26 PM (f1Vqw)


Let me out of here! It's dark and smell like plastic surgery and Tyga's penis!

Posted by: The Hoser at July 21, 2019 10:31 PM (v3UCk)

94
Drove through MT on the way to Olympia, WA for the 2006 National. The Bitterroot Valley is beautiful.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 10:31 PM (Wx/+I)

95 83 All you can do is do your best. Demi Rose
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Wow. What a sage. I can see why Ace wants you guys to quote her.


At least she's vapid and right unlike, say, AOC who is both vapid and wrong.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 10:32 PM (qc+VF)

96 So when does the John Katshit get eaten by bears?



True story: Bozo Conservative lives near Katshit. The first time I went down to visit him, I said I wanted to see Katshits home. So we took a walk. It was hot and I got lost going down there, so I spent the walk bitching .

So we're walking down this road a few blocks from his house, and some sort of SUV passes us. I'm not paying attention, I'm bitching about the badly marked roads in Ohio. The SUV passes us, Bozo Conservative looks at me and says "That was Kasich. He waved at us."

I didn't miss a beat and replied, "He waved at you, you're a voter here."

The best part of this story is that I've edited it somewhat in the retelling, and now his sons believe that Katshit looked at the two of us together, gave Bozo Conservative a thumbs up, and mouthed "way to go dude."

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:32 PM (AkkRZ)

97 Hey, I'm here for the dental plan and the criticism.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 10:30 PM (aA3+G
------------

That dental plan must be fantastic.

And kudos to you. Just a guess, but I'm thinking you probably found the most erudite thing she ever said.

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 10:32 PM (aXucN)

98 Insom

That's not what I heard

Posted by: Saucy wench under the desk at July 21, 2019 10:32 PM (PkVlr)

99 The Bitterroot Valley is beautiful.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 10:31 PM (Wx/+I)


Lewis and Clark didn't much care for it.

Posted by: DR.WTF at July 21, 2019 10:33 PM (aS1PU)

100 For those of you wondering how I know what Tyga's penis smells like, you clearly haven't gotten the latest Yankee Candle catalog.

Posted by: The Hoser at July 21, 2019 10:33 PM (v3UCk)

101 * 4 x 2 a day = 250 *

Posted by: cfo mom at July 21, 2019 10:34 PM (RfzVr)

102

That dental plan must be fantastic.


You can have any dentist you want as long as they're British or Russian.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 10:34 PM (Wx/+I)

103

Costa Rica's Ministry of Health issued a nationwide warning after at least 19 deaths were attributed to methanol poisoning from contaminated alcohol consumption.

An alert was issued on July 5 after results from lab samples found that alcohol products packaged in bottles with the labels "Guaro Gran Apache," "Firewater Red Star," "Guaro Montano," Firewater Red Baron," "Aguardiente Timbuka" and "Aguardiente Molotov" were contaminated with methanol.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 10:34 PM (aKsyK)

104 Sitting in Victor MT while the talk of the MT of the Midwest circulates. I live in OH. Not sure how that comparison came about. Just heard the love call of an elk. Have never heard that in OH.
Have only been here 2 days but I'm missing the similarities.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at July 21, 2019 10:35 PM (hpmE4)

105 Is it possible to work your way through college any more? At all? Scholarships and waiting tables, to pay for the whole thing, tuition, room and board?

Community college might be the place to get your feet wet and see if you're going to complete a degree I guess. I don't know if you could do a goof-off year at a state college on your own and not start out with at least $20k hanging over your head.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 10:36 PM (t+qrx)

106 Montana is amazing. I love Kalispell

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 21, 2019 10:36 PM (PkVlr)

107

Honky Tonk Badonkadonk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNVguvNE7qc

Posted by: Demi's Ass at July 21, 2019 10:36 PM (f1Vqw)

108 little known fact: Ming the Merciless once exiled a rebel to earth, and the rebel looked around at the endless prairie he was dumped in and wailed: "Why, Oh Ming?!"

Since then that land has been known as Why-Oh-Ming

Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 10:37 PM (dm05u)

109 no way kasich was riding in an suv. beat to shit, oil burning, ford FOCUS! for the "folks." a mailman car.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 21, 2019 10:37 PM (KP5rU)

110
It's Like Going Walkabout - a limerick

Dagnabbit, this Is just my luck
I went for a jog and got stuck
Golly gosh, golly geeze
I'm in up to my knees
That's what I get for running in muck.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 21, 2019 10:38 PM (mvenn)

111 Re: Demi Rose.

Why are these insta-thots making their asses so big?

Are their customers,uh, the sort of bloke who likes an abnormally big ass?

Posted by: Keto not Beto at July 21, 2019 10:38 PM (JziUy)

112 Wanda. What part of MT are you living in? The Bitterroot Valley is fabulous.
Woke this morning to 45 degrees, rose to 83 and now down to 69. Fabulous. Zero humidity.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at July 21, 2019 10:38 PM (hpmE4)

113 78 >> The mention of Demi Rose's ass makes me want to hide under the covers. 

Resistance is futile. You will be ASSimilated.

Posted by: Demi's Ass at July 21, 2019 10:26 PM (f1Vqw)


Is that by Lil' Nut Sax?

Posted by: The Hoser at July 21, 2019 10:38 PM (v3UCk)

114

Center Township Engine 222 was dispatched to a medical alarm in Lebanon, IN Sunday afternoon.

When crews arrived, they found an older woman outside in her yard.

The first responders learned that the homeowner, Shirley Sherrill, mistakenly hit her medical alarm around her neck as she was preparing ready to weed eat.

Due to the excessive heat and humidity, CTFD Engine 222 and Boone County EMS Medic 21 crews did the weed eating and picked up some vegetation in her yard.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 10:38 PM (aKsyK)

115 84 72 Hi Insom!

What's this I hear about you being a chick magnet?
Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 21, 2019 10:24 PM (PkVlr)

Sounds like idle gossip.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 10:28 PM (NWiLs)

===

*opens lawn chair, sets it down*

*places coke with ice in cup holder*

*gently turns around and sits down with an exhale"

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 21, 2019 10:39 PM (EZebt)

116 97 Hey, I'm here for the dental plan and the criticism.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 10:30 PM (aA3+G
------------

That dental plan must be fantastic.

And kudos to you. Just a guess, but I'm thinking you probably found the most erudite thing she ever said.
Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 10:32 PM (aXucN)

Actually locating any quote from her was difficult. Yet the Boss wants us to Aim High.

Posted by: State of Missouri at July 21, 2019 10:39 PM (aA3+G)

117 Wenda. Damned autocorrect.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at July 21, 2019 10:39 PM (hpmE4)

118 *cancels order on the pimp hat for insomn*

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 10:39 PM (ykYG2)

119 Well, damn you, cut and paste and proofreading.

Posted by: The Hoser at July 21, 2019 10:40 PM (v3UCk)

120 Sitting in Victor MT while the talk of the MT of the Midwest circulates. I live in OH. Not sure how that comparison came about. Just heard the love call of an elk. Have never heard that in OH.
Have only been here 2 days but I'm missing the similarities.


It's my fault. I'm moving, and all I can think of is the Frank Zappa song Montana. "Montana" and the same number of syllables as "Ohio," which is where I am moving.


Hence, "I'm moving to Ohio soon to be a dental floss tycoon."


Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:40 PM (AkkRZ)

121 118 *cancels order on the pimp hat for insomn*
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 10:39 PM (ykYG2)

Damn, I had the feather picked out and everything.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 10:40 PM (NWiLs)

122 shibumi. Thanks for the explanation. MT is beautiful. Move here instead. We want to. We're working on it.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at July 21, 2019 10:41 PM (hpmE4)

123
Do it. Seriously, Congress should fucking do it. If they're getting Federal loans, they're our bitch. Time to make them roll over and beg for treats.



Not to mention those are the people who think price controls on other industries are the bee's knees.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 21, 2019 10:41 PM (SJIH3)

124 108 little known fact: Ming the Merciless once exiled a rebel to earth, and the rebel looked around at the endless prairie he was dumped in and wailed: "Why, Oh Ming?!"

Since then that land has been known as Why-Oh-Ming
Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 10:37 PM (dm05u

Similar to She's A Boy Again

Posted by: State of Missouri at July 21, 2019 10:41 PM (aA3+G)

125 It's my fault. I'm moving, and all I can think of is the Frank Zappa song Montana. "Montana" and the same number of syllables as "Ohio," which is where I am moving.

Hence, "I'm moving to Ohio soon to be a dental floss tycoon."

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:40 PM (AkkRZ)


Uh, that seems logical.

Posted by: Baby Huey at July 21, 2019 10:41 PM (aS1PU)

126 Does any of the Horde know if this is true?

I have been reading that the student loan racket allows them to not only borrow the cost of the *education*, but also the money to pay for their living expenses while in school. If so, then they can say go to a school that costs 10k, but borrow 20k per year and use the extra bucks for food/rent and party time?

Posted by: cfo mom at July 21, 2019 10:41 PM (RfzVr)

127 THe chick who owes on her student loan:

"And so, without too much thought, Chavonne enrolled at the University of Mississippi and borrowed about $20,000 to pay for it."

_____________________

There you go. I'm not paying for these deadbeats. I'm responsible for my own financial decision making. Sometimes good, sometimes not so good. But, I clean up my own messes. I'm not cleaning up hers.

Posted by: Orson at July 21, 2019 10:42 PM (4sKfZ)

128 98 Insom

That's not what I heard
Posted by: Saucy wench under the desk at July 21, 2019 10:32 PM (PkVlr)

People talk. Can't help that.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 10:42 PM (NWiLs)

129 no way kasich was riding in an suv. beat to shit, oil burning, ford FOCUS! for the "folks." a mailman car.



Nope. Black SUV. And he was driving; I didn't think politicians knew how to drive.

A few minutes later, a second black SUV appeared with his security detail. In other words, he escaped.


I theorized he want to the local grocery store for menudo, pork rinds and full fat ice cream.

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:42 PM (AkkRZ)

130 Off Show Me State sock

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 10:42 PM (aA3+G)

131 118 *cancels order on the pimp hat for insomn*

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 10:39 PM (ykYG2)


How about a pimp cup?

Posted by: Burt Reynolds at July 21, 2019 10:42 PM (v3UCk)

132 Lots of crazy in the content tonight. "Man" loses baby? Crazy. And probably safe to say it was the least worst outcome for the fetus.

Britain to go all organic and "sustainable"? Famine, right around the corner.

And a hybrid Cessna 337 (aka the Pushmepullyou)? Given that the whole premise behind building it is false, good luck with that. Ruin a good plane? Winning!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 21, 2019 10:43 PM (abNpZ)

133 >>>Bertram Cabot, Jr.

That is a very nice story.

Posted by: cfo mom at July 21, 2019 10:43 PM (RfzVr)

134 126 Does any of the Horde know if this is true?

I have been reading that the student loan racket allows them to not only borrow the cost of the *education*, but also the money to pay for their living expenses while in school. If so, then they can say go to a school that costs 10k, but borrow 20k per year and use the extra bucks for food/rent and party time?
Posted by: cfo mom at July 21, 2019 10:41 PM (RfzVr)


Bingo.
I don't want to even know what my middle child "borrowed" over the years.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 10:44 PM (aA3+G)

135 Straight Men Recall the First Time They Were Attracted to a Trans Woman
Tons of men are into trans girls, they just don't admit it.


Let me guess, Cory Booker is one of the "straight men" attracted to Trans Women.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 21, 2019 10:44 PM (+lVUW)

136 no seriously, who likes these big fat asses on instagram thot accounts?

Posted by: Keto not Beto at July 21, 2019 10:44 PM (JziUy)

137 I think every one of those people overwhelmed by student debt should be encouraged to sue the College or University that defrauded them into taking the loan.

I just want the popcorn concession for the fireworks.

Posted by: Bilwis, Devourer of Low Glycemic Souls at July 21, 2019 10:45 PM (jp0Bv)

138 >>Similar to She's A Boy Again

Posted by: State of Missouri at July 21, 2019 10:41 PM (aA3+G)

Similar to O can no more walk

Posted by: My life is insanity at July 21, 2019 10:45 PM (3uFA9)

139 135 Straight Men Recall the First Time They Were Attracted to a Trans Woman
Tons of men are into trans girls, they just don't admit it.


Riiiiiight.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 10:46 PM (NWiLs)

140 136 no seriously, who likes these big fat asses on instagram thot accounts?
Posted by: Keto not Beto at July 21, 2019 10:44 PM (JziUy)

Who you think?

Posted by: Sir Mix A Lot at July 21, 2019 10:46 PM (jp0Bv)

141 "Straight Men Recall the First Time They Blew That Roadie When Erasure Came To Town"

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 10:46 PM (ykYG2)

142 Straight Men Recall the First Time They Were Attracted to a Trans Woman
Tons of men are into trans girls, they just don't admit it.


Attracted? Attracted?
I can't even look at them.

Posted by: DR.WTF at July 21, 2019 10:47 PM (aS1PU)

143 Ok, it's a slow night...

Family can be a PITA. Rant follows.

DIL's Great Grandma/Grandpa are having a 75th anniversary. This is a big deal. Not many folks live long enough for such an event.

The local priest will be coming to celebrate Mass in their home for the family, followed by a brunch. Later in the day there will be an open house party, buffet, a band.

Great Grandma/Grandpa have eight children. One of whom has a spouse who is undergoing treatment for a serious illness. Part of that requires no children/sick people etc. be around them. They want to attend this event and are cool with saying, "We'll come for the Mass and brunch and then leave so everyone else with kids can come for the afternoon/evening festivities." But NO, half the family (mainly grandkids with young great-grandkids) are offended. My DIL offered that her relatives who wanted to go to the Mass could drop off their kids at her house and come back to fetch them after "Ellen and Larry" leave.

NOT good enough - they start bitchin' about why should they have to come back and get the kids, why can't she just drive them all over when it's time. Evidently none of them are smart enough to figure out that this would be a child seat, logistical nightmare. And would require my son and DIL to drive 2 vehicles in order to accommodate all the kids .

Am I a jerk for thinking they're jerks, or are they jerks?

Posted by: cfo mom at July 21, 2019 10:47 PM (RfzVr)

144 "Straight Men Recall the First Time They Blew That Roadie When Erasure Came To Town"


Yeah. I used to work in live entertainment. Roadies are way more horny than regular dudes, and the ones on the road are NEVER gay. It's some sort of screening process. They all live on a bus, and I'm guessing most straight guys don't want to live on a bus with gay guys. But then again, what do I know?


I think the headline is more like:

"Straight Men Recall the First Time They Watched Their Girlfriend Blow That Roadie When Erasure Came To Town."

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:49 PM (AkkRZ)

145 SOY UN PAPA!

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 21, 2019 10:49 PM (ABuva)

146 That or flip on the schools and make them cosign the loans.
Posted by: Burnt Toast


Yes. I know someone who got a degree in archeology.
In Michigan. She's a democrat. Who hates Trump.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 21, 2019 10:49 PM (+lVUW)

147 If you replaced the lake in that picture with a beach volleyball court with bikini clad girls that's what was on TV this afternoon. Women's beach volleyball tournament in Gstadd, Switzerland.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:49 PM (2DOZq)

148 Neverenoughcaffeine,

We're south of Bozeman, up on a high plateau. Mountains in three directions, across the valley of Bozeman on the fourth. Bliss. High seventies today, down in the fifties tonight.

Deer every damn place you look. Grrrr.

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at July 21, 2019 10:50 PM (aPc3n)

149 145 SOY UN PAPA!
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 21, 2019 10:49 PM (ABuva)

You're a potato?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 10:50 PM (NWiLs)

150 PAPAS AND BEER!

Posted by: DR.WTF at July 21, 2019 10:50 PM (aS1PU)

151 I suppose it would surprise no one that the 'woman' who wrote the tranny attraction article knows the feeling of waking up scratching your balls.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 21, 2019 10:51 PM (SJIH3)

152 There ought to be more corny low-budget videos about the danger of college debt than STDs.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 21, 2019 10:51 PM (LxTcq)

153 President of the American Vaping Association is a fan of the ONT and Misanthropic Humanitarian
Well, he's a fan of the ONT quoting him. Still -- I think that's something!
Can we start quoting Demi Rose, fellas? AIM HIGHER Ace

Can the American Vaping Association please do something about Juul's anti-smoker propaganda campaign? Bullshit like that literally ruins lives. Seriously. I've been homeless and broke for 20 years because I chose cigarettes instead of a home. I pay $100-$200 per month in illegal "taxes" because of similar bullshit.

Posted by: Chuck at July 21, 2019 10:51 PM (yV7jF)

154 yeah... but... Erasure.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 10:51 PM (ykYG2)

155 Cfo mom,

I was a chemo pt a few years ago.

The person with the depleted immune system should simply wear a mask and wash their hands.

This is not a big deal.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 21, 2019 10:52 PM (PkVlr)

156 I have been reading that the student loan racket allows them to not only borrow the cost of the *education*, but also the money to pay for their living expenses while in school.

You read about some of these people who have $250,000-$500,000 in student loan debt, and you figure there have to be some Hawaiian vacations buried in there.

That, and the magic of compound interest if you aren't paying off your debt.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 10:53 PM (I2/tG)

157 I was gobsmacked by the beauty of MT. Just blown away by it.

Of course... I wasn't in MT during the time of year when they have 8 foot snow drifts. It's incredible in the summer.

Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 10:53 PM (Cssks)

158 I'd destroy Demi in bed.

Yum

Posted by: WUT at July 21, 2019 10:53 PM (MAstk)

159 Re: MT's snow: Well, we're skiers, so . . . Seriously, the most powder I've skied in was up to my butt, and I backed out very carefully. But it is definitely an attraction for children and grandchildren. Never a problem getting a houseful for Christmas.

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at July 21, 2019 10:55 PM (aPc3n)

160 thank you for your input nurse. I have zero experience/knowledge about these sort of things.

Posted by: cfo mom at July 21, 2019 10:55 PM (RfzVr)

161 Am I a jerk for thinking they're jerks, or are they jerks?


Well, it seems like a few things are going on here.

It seems to me that the sick person wants a lot of people to go out of their way to attend only limited parts of an event so they can attend.


Conversely, a lot of the other people want their kids to be part of it, and don't want to make accommodations for anyone.

Is either one right? I don't know; I sympathize with both sides; the sick person wants to be part of a big family event, but can't because of their illness, while the other family members want their children to attend the same event unfettered. Since they're in the position of making many poeple try to accommodate the needs of the one, it would probably be best for the person who is struggling with their health to stay home and attend via Skype or something.

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:55 PM (AkkRZ)

162 This is what happens when you don't go pissing your money away on things you don't need.

"Nielsen, who knew Schroeder for being a humble carpenter his whole life, didn’t realize that Schroeder’s net worth was just shy of $3 million, and thus began the journey to set up a trust that would provide a future for 33 students unbeknownst to them."

Posted by: See at July 21, 2019 10:56 PM (OIwXy)

163 > "I'm drowning in debt for a piece of paper I never received. Nobody should be in this position." Ashlee Last Name Withheld



> Lolgf

> Posted by: Ha
I think you may be misinterpreting who, exactly is going to wind up getting fucked in this situation. Ashlee is never going to pay that debt. You are.
Still funny?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 10:56 PM (GDooN)

164 Is it possible to work your way through college any more? At all? Scholarships and waiting tables, to pay for the whole thing, tuition, room and board?

Not really, no. "Scholarships" are mostly need-based these days, and over the years the sorts of wages a college student can get have pretty much kept up with inflation, while college costs have gone up at a rate three or four times that.

If I were graduating from high school today I'd probably go into the military and become a large engine mechanic, and I say that as a guy who had a long and lucrative career as an engineer.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 10:56 PM (h2Bdk)

165 161 Am I a jerk for thinking they're jerks, or are they jerks?


The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...or the one.

Posted by: Mr. Spock at July 21, 2019 10:57 PM (NWiLs)

166 Sunday Swimwear ONT Compliance Pics

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Posted by: kbdabear at July 21, 2019 10:57 PM (qAR6u)

167 The thing I miss most by living in the city is seeing the night sky . Light pollution takes away what I think is the most thought provoking observation in our lives.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:57 PM (2DOZq)

168 "Straight Men Recall the First Time They Watched Their Girlfriend Blow That Roadie When Erasure Came To Town."

----

erasure was gay

Posted by: Keto not Beto at July 21, 2019 10:57 PM (JziUy)

169 Attracted? Attracted?
I can't even look at them.


There was a magazine article (I think New York magazine) about three sexual revolutionaries in New York - people who are redefining gender and sexual fluidity, who have extensively written for publications that deal with that sort of thing.

The one slight personal problem that all three of them have is that no one wants to have sex with them.

Funny thing, that.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 10:57 PM (I2/tG)

170 erasure was gay


Yeah, but roadies are not.

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:58 PM (AkkRZ)

171 Am I a jerk for thinking they're jerks, or are they jerks?

********


It seems to me the reasonable thing would be for Larry and Ellen to plan a separate event with just then and the honored couple, on a different day.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 21, 2019 10:58 PM (mvenn)

172 Canadian minor league hockey coach puts it to the players straight:

https://youtu.be/qXzksMzZdQM

+1, my man.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 10:58 PM (5aX2M)

173 105 Is it possible to work your way through college angy more? At all? Scholarships and waiting tables, to pay for the whole thing, tuition, room and board?

I had a niece who did it, but that was probably 10 years ago. Her degree was in engineering, and she managed to do it in 4 years. Her parents lived within driving distance of a state university, so she was able to live at home and she had a good part time job.

Posted by: nerdygirl at July 21, 2019 10:59 PM (+lVUW)

174 More Sunday Swimwear ONT Compliance Pics

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Posted by: kbdabear at July 21, 2019 10:59 PM (qAR6u)

175 It seems to me the reasonable thing would be for Larry and Ellen to plan a separate event with just then and the honored couple, on a different day.


Winner, winner chicken dinner.

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 10:59 PM (AkkRZ)

176 You read about some of these people who have $250,000-$500,000 in student loan debt, and you figure there have to be some Hawaiian vacations buried in there.

That, and the magic of compound interest if you aren't paying off your debt.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 10:53 PM (I2/tG)


Or they're just not in a hurry to graduate. Five or six years as an undergrad, plus grad school or law school... it all adds up.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 10:59 PM (h2Bdk)

177 Still funny?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 10:56 PM (GDooN)


Right now she's on the hook for it.

So yes, clean up your own mess.

Posted by: Ha at July 21, 2019 10:59 PM (MAstk)

178 Is it possible to work your way through college any more? At all? Scholarships and waiting tables, to pay for the whole thing, tuition, room and board?

Not really, no. "Scholarships" are mostly need-based these days, and over the years the sorts of wages a college student can get have pretty much kept up with inflation, while college costs have gone up at a rate three or four times that.

If I were graduating from high school today I'd probably go into the military and become a large engine mechanic, and I say that as a guy who had a long and lucrative career as an engineer.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 10:56 PM (h2Bdk)

Do employers pay for college education anymore? That's how I did it.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 21, 2019 10:59 PM (Rz2Nc)

179 Why should I repay my student loan debt?

Sooner or later, the Democrats will take power, and they will forgive my debt.

It would be idiotic to pay it off now.

Posted by: Left-Wing Student Loan Debtor at July 21, 2019 11:00 PM (I2/tG)

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Posted by: kbdabear at July 21, 2019 11:01 PM (qAR6u)

181 Sooner or later, the Democrats will take power, and they will forgive my debt.

It would be idiotic to pay it off now.


Amen, brother!

Posted by: The State of Illinois at July 21, 2019 11:01 PM (I2/tG)

182 Of course... I wasn't in MT during the time of year when they have 8 foot snow drifts. It's incredible in the summer.
Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 10:53 PM (Cssks)

Unless you love winter. I love winter. fucking love it.

I was pretty pissed off to live in Alaska when it had an unusually soft, rainy winter ('85-86). fuck. I wanted to have to shovel my way out to my truck every morning.

But nope. it would start out as snow, then came the rain, glazing the snow in a thick layer of snotty ice.

Grr.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 11:01 PM (aurSP)

183 I should have said "makeup artist" rather than the vague "roadie". I suppose.

There's always someone, somewhere, with a big nose, who knows . . .

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 11:01 PM (ykYG2)

184 > Tons of men are into trans girls, they just don't admit it.

Any time an SJW makes this kind of claim, it can easily be refuted by going to any major porn site (one of the ones with dozens of categories).

Yes, gay porn and tranny porn is a thing. However, the sections devoted to those...tastes... are invariably dwarfed by the sections devoted to het porn of various varieties.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 11:01 PM (GDooN)

185 I almost put a scathing review of a mobile app on the Play Store, but decided better because it's my employer's app.

Good, God, I despise the team that put that monstrosity together.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 21, 2019 11:02 PM (naEeR)

186
I'm thinking of transitioning.

Posted by: Lucky Pierre at July 21, 2019 11:02 PM (f1Vqw)

187 student loans, etc.:

I've never forgotten a lengthy WSJ article I read about students in TX who get a 2-yr JuCo degree in oilfield services (something like that) & start at $75000 their first year out of college-- at age 20.

Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 11:03 PM (Cssks)

188 I wanted to have to shovel my way out to my truck every morning.

...

Wtf?

Snow and ice are a nuisance.

Posted by: Ha at July 21, 2019 11:03 PM (MAstk)

189 167 The thing I miss most by living in the city is seeing the night sky . Light pollution takes away what I think is the most thought provoking observation in our lives.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:57 PM (2DOZq)


Folks come out and visit, at some time in the evening, and say, the sky's so bright - all the stars, or it's so quiet.

Posted by: Ramon at July 21, 2019 11:03 PM (OIwXy)

190 Do employers pay for college education anymore? That's how I did it.
Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 21, 2019 10:59 PM (Rz2Nc)


Not as much. When I graduated from college they told us if you stayed at a job less than five years it would count against you when you were back on the market. Ten plus was a bonus.

These days there doesn't seem to be a stigma for job hoppers, so as a consequence companies don't see the point in developing someone's skills just to have him jump to a competitor.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 11:03 PM (h2Bdk)

191 > Right now she's on the hook for it.

Uncle Sam is on the hook for it. Uncle Sam dished out the money. The money is gone. They (meaning the taxpayers) aren't ever getting it back.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 11:03 PM (GDooN)

192 Yes, gay porn and tranny porn is a thing. However, the sections devoted to those...tastes... are invariably dwarfed by the sections devoted to het porn of various varieties.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 11:01 PM (GDooN)


And busty lesbian porn. Which, let's face it, is also made for hetero men.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:04 PM (NWiLs)

193 To Mr Weasel from the last thread, willowed but I'm back. Ironically I was away in the gun room sorting out a mates pile of crap he has to hand back to the filth. He is going to walk away with about $30k. So I was busy swapping bad mags, crap uppers, dodgy parts, etc for nice stuff.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at July 21, 2019 11:04 PM (bgJ0E)

194 *Sneer quotes* Hi, we're Juul! Teen vaping is a serious problem. *unsneer quotes*

Whose problem, Juul? Whose problem, Juul?

Whose problem, Juul?

Whose problem?

Juul?

Whose problem?

Juul?

Posted by: Chuck at July 21, 2019 11:04 PM (yV7jF)

195 Yes, gay porn and tranny porn is a thing. However, the sections devoted to those...tastes... are invariably dwarfed by the sections devoted to het porn of various varieties.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 11:01 PM (GDooN)


The big porn category is incest. I imagine thousands of psychology students are pounding away at keyboards as we speak with plausible explanations.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 11:05 PM (h2Bdk)

196 I can attest to the fact that VW Bugs do float.

I drove one into a Canal when I was 17.

It floated, for a bit, and me and my buddies were able to drag it back to shore, where a tow truck pulled it out.

Started right up, no damage.

Needless to say, it save me MUCH grief with my parents.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 11:05 PM (NgKpN)

197 >> And busty lesbian porn. Which, let's face it, is also made for hetero men.

That is considered straight porn. I mean seriously. It's classified in that genre.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 11:05 PM (f1Vqw)

198 I've said it a million times. I should have been a fireman like all my uncles. I would have been retired long ago.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 11:05 PM (2DOZq)

199 > Sooner or later, the Democrats will take power, and they will forgive my debt.

Then maybe it would behoove the Republicans to find some way to unwind that bubble, the way the car companies got unwound and the real estate market got unwound?
Nah. Making them sure to vote D for the rest of their lives is a WAY better policy. Totally.





Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 11:06 PM (GDooN)

200 Any time an SJW makes this kind of claim, it can easily be refuted by going to any major porn site (one of the ones with dozens of categories).

I refuse to read the Vice article, but apparently its point is that since straight males can't admit that they are attracted to trannies, they murder the trannies instead.

I'll take Another Thing That Isn't Actually Happening For $10, Alex.

Posted by: The State of Illinois at July 21, 2019 11:06 PM (I2/tG)

201 The money is gone. They (meaning the taxpayers) aren't ever getting it back.

..

In some cases that's true.

Posted by: Ha at July 21, 2019 11:07 PM (MAstk)

202 Shibumi - thanks for making me look at it that way.

I guess I just feel like it is more important for the actual *child* of the celebrants to be able to attend the Mass than the 2 - 12 year old great-grands. Those kids aren't really interested in it except for the party, which they will get to enjoy later.

Probably someone should ask the opinion of the Great Grandma/Grandpa. It's their anniversary party, let them decide. Novel idea that no one has thought of as yet.

Posted by: cfo mom at July 21, 2019 11:07 PM (RfzVr)

203 >>> 185 I almost put a scathing review of a mobile app on the Play Store, but decided better because it's my employer's app.

Good, God, I despise the team that put that monstrosity together.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 21, 2019 11:02 PM (naEeR)

I don't know if naming it would be too specific... but maybe there are a few Morons who would like to check it out and see how bad it sucks?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 21, 2019 11:07 PM (0ReGO)

204 Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 11:01 PM (aurSP)

You would enjoy a visit to the Lake Superior snow belt

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 11:07 PM (aA3+G)

205 >> However, the sections devoted to those...tastes... are invariably dwarfed

Your typical tranny who makes this claim, like the one who got that gal booted off Twitter -- well, Thai ladyboys they ain't.

The market for fat men in dresses is just about zero.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 11:07 PM (f1Vqw)

206
Wtf?

Snow and ice are a nuisance.
Posted by: Ha at July 21, 2019 11:03 PM (MAstk)

I. Love. Winter.

I love the cold air, the snow, the fact that if you are not dressed right you could die. I feel so alive, so alert.

Best of all, I love walking into my house at the end of the day, kick off my snowy boots, hang up my coat, and enjoy the embrace of my home and hearth.

I pretty much hate summer. I really do. Winter, Spring, Autumn. Love them there seasons.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 11:07 PM (aurSP)

207 OH, and for those not paying attention.

New Budget Deal that the WAR Turtle and Cuckie Shumer came up with?

22% increase in discretionary spending.

Apparently they are no longer concerned about the TEA Party movement.

Just like when they balanced the budget for 10 minutes to get rid of Perot.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 11:08 PM (NgKpN)

208 197 >> And busty lesbian porn. Which, let's face it, is also made for hetero men.

That is considered straight porn. I mean seriously. It's classified in that genre.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 11:05 PM (f1Vqw)

If anyone would know its proper categorization it would be you!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:08 PM (NWiLs)

209 Hey you morons what's going on? I'm old and tired after working for four days, part time, but trying to get back to work. This is going to suck I think I only have 60 hours in for this pay.

Have to comment on the stuff going on on the books read about the Tudors. They were a bunch of assholes but Henry the 7th who is hardly mentioned was the fucken worst. He had no claim to the throne and overthrew Richard the third intimate King and murdered the king. It's an interesting time anybody wants to discuss it email me.

Posted by: Farmer posting from stupid smartphone at July 21, 2019 11:08 PM (3qoAC)

210 I don't care, but Orman has a point if there actually is a demographic spending $5 per day on coffee. With tax, that'd be around $2000 a year.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 21, 2019 11:09 PM (H5knJ)

211 >> If anyone would know its proper categorization it would be you!

I'll that as a badge of honor. Yep, that's the ticket. Just don't tell anyone, though.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 11:09 PM (f1Vqw)

212 > The big porn category is incest.

It seems like step- porn is more common than real incest.
I chalk that up the number of divorces, leading to young men of an impressionable age being stuck in close proximity to a nubile step-sister or hawt step-mom. Technically not incest, at least biologically (although it may be legally).


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 11:09 PM (GDooN)

213 Hey Farmer!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:09 PM (NWiLs)

214 Apparently they are no longer concerned about the TEA Party movement.

Just like when they balanced the budget for 10 minutes to get rid of Perot.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 11:08 PM (NgKpN)


I've had a good laugh over the language on this. These days spending what you receive in taxes is "austerity".

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 11:09 PM (h2Bdk)

215 Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 11:01 PM (aurSP)

You would enjoy a visit to the Lake Superior snow belt
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 11:07 PM (aA3+G)

Yes.

Yes I would.

Mrs. Mahon is not as big a fan of snow, however.

I have two aunts who live in Upstate NY who see a lot of snow every winter. They kind of love it, or else they would not live there.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 11:10 PM (aurSP)

216 212 > The big porn category is incest.

It seems like step- porn is more common than real incest.
I chalk that up the number of divorces, leading to young men of an impressionable age being stuck in close proximity to a nubile step-sister or hawt step-mom. Technically not incest, at least biologically (although it may be legally).

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 11:09 PM (GDooN)


Yes, I think this is true.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 11:10 PM (h2Bdk)

217 Uncle Sam is on the hook for it. Uncle Sam dished out the money. The money is gone. They (meaning the taxpayers) aren't ever getting it back.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 11:03 PM (GDooN)

Uncle Sam should put her in a brothel, and she can earn her way out on her back.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 21, 2019 11:10 PM (abNpZ)

218 Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 11:05 PM (h2Bdk)

Taboo is a mover. Incest is about as taboo as you can get.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 11:10 PM (2DOZq)

219 With tax, that'd be around $2000 a year.

Ahem.

Posted by: $16 Cocktails In Trendy Portland Bars at July 21, 2019 11:11 PM (I2/tG)

220 Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at July 21, 2019 11:04 PM (bgJ0E)

Mate, it is clear why you
a) found this place, and
2) post here.
Good on ya'!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:11 PM (BiNEL)

221 You know how I know that Ivanka Trump is a white supremacist?

https://bit.ly/32J5qov

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 11:12 PM (+y/Ru)

222 217 Uncle Sam is on the hook for it. Uncle Sam dished out the money. The money is gone. They (meaning the taxpayers) aren't ever getting it back.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 11:03 PM (GDooN)

Uncle Sam should put her in a brothel, and she can earn her way out on her back.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 21, 2019 11:10 PM (abNpZ)

Uncle Sam once took over a Brothel in Nevada for Tax evasion.

It went from profitable to out of business inside a year.

Nuff, said.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 11:12 PM (NgKpN)

223 Not as much. When I graduated from college they told us if you stayed at a job less than five years it would count against you when you were back on the market. Ten plus was a bonus.

These days there doesn't seem to be a stigma for job hoppers, so as a consequence companies don't see the point in developing someone's skills just to have him jump to a competitor.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 11:03 PM (h2Bdk)

That's weird, it used to be rather expensive to recruit new employees, so it made more sense for the to invest in their employees to retain them.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 21, 2019 11:12 PM (Rz2Nc)

224 Needless to say, it save me MUCH grief with my parents.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 11:05 PM (NgKpN)


There were ditches, it was raining, I started a turn to the right but the wagon went diagonal. Luckily the the corner house owner had placed a three plank walk across.

The left front wheel stayed on the walkway, the right front wheel danged. Put it in reverse and gently backed onto the street.

Yes, saved much grief with parents.

Posted by: Ramon at July 21, 2019 11:12 PM (OIwXy)

225 Probably someone should ask the opinion of the Great Grandma/Grandpa. It's their anniversary party, let them decide. Novel idea that no one has thought of as yet.


Posted by: cfo mom at July 21, 2019 11:07 PM


That is actually the best idea of all cfo mom. Ask the great grandparents.

There is another issue as well; the other adults attending might be trying to get their youngsters to understand the concept of respecting their elders and even the idea of "older family members." I think it is good for them to go to those sort of things.

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 11:12 PM (AkkRZ)

226 Demi Rose has a picture of her ass BEFORE it was Kardash-sized. It was rather awesome. What the f*** was she thinking?

Posted by: Ripley at July 21, 2019 11:12 PM (NbRJx)

227 Remember the "base closing commission"?

A bipartisan agreement to turn the problem over to a group delegated to make hard, unpopular decisions.

When things get desperate, the base closing model might be the answer for the budget deficit.

Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 11:12 PM (Cssks)

228
Step porn is a way to get the thrill of the taboo without being "real". You know, it's not incest incest. It gives an out.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 11:13 PM (f1Vqw)

229 Whose problem?

Juul?
Posted by: Chuck at July 21, 2019 11:04 PM (yV7jF)

It ain't my problem, but it seems like you are trying to make it your problem.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 21, 2019 11:13 PM (abNpZ)

230 > Uncle Sam should put her in a brothel, and she can earn her way out on her back.

I would advocate that as long as every car company executive, every house flipper who used an FHA/VA loan, and every owner of a failed business financed by SBA was in there with them.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 11:13 PM (GDooN)

231
Companies don't want you to leave, they want to fire you.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 11:13 PM (Wx/+I)

232 Student loan default rate in FY 2015 was 10.8%.


Not sure if there is more recent data.

Posted by: Ha at July 21, 2019 11:13 PM (MAstk)

233 Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 11:05 PM (f1Vqw)

What, there's busty lesbian porn on the internet?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:14 PM (BiNEL)

234 So, I had this bit of good luck. My USB RAID thing [skipping this, and also skipping] so the other USB RAID thing [skipping] etc.

So, I went to the local Best Buy, and they had a WD 8TB external drive for 129!

So, I brought it up to buy it, and they were like, "Yeah, that's $169!" And I said, no, it isn't, it's $129.

The upshot is, they sold it to me for $129, and they were great about it. I was great about it. Everyone was great about it, though I noticed the floor manager guy was crumpling up a price tag thing as he authorized the sale.

The next day, I walked into the same Best Buy and looked, and they had the same drive for $139. So, I think, I won. I guess.

I bring this up only because I am a no-one who will die alone, and comments in websites might be the only way I will be ignored through eternity.

Have a great week everyone!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 21, 2019 11:15 PM (l9m7l)

235 Nah. Making them sure to vote D for the rest of their lives is a WAY better policy. Totally.

The people with six-figure student loan debts who can't pay them off (as opposed to medical school students with six-figure debts) almost always are SJW's who got their degrees in SJW fields.

You're not going to get a sociology Ph.D. to take a second look at the Republican Party by having the Republicans reduce or eliminate her student loan debt.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 11:15 PM (I2/tG)

236 >> What, there's busty lesbian porn on the internet?

I know, it's hard to believe, but it's out there. You have to go on the dark web, I think.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 11:15 PM (f1Vqw)

237 Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 11:10 PM (aurSP)


A visit, no need to move and upset the Mrs.

We had close to 200" this past season starting in October -ending in May

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 11:16 PM (aA3+G)

238 The student loan crisis is largely manufactured.

IIRC the average debt is 40k.

A fuggin car payment.


Pay the bill.

Posted by: Ha at July 21, 2019 11:17 PM (MAstk)

239 When things get desperate, the base closing model might be the answer for the budget deficit.

Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 11:12 PM (Cssks)

Of course the base closing commission members never profited a dime, not one thin dime, I tell you, from their great patriotic contributions to reducing the deficit.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:17 PM (BiNEL)

240 230 > Uncle Sam should put her in a brothel, and she can earn her way out on her back.

I would advocate that as long as every car company executive, every house flipper who used an FHA/VA loan, and every owner of a failed business financed by SBA was in there with them.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 11:13 PM (GDooN)


The difference is the students knew their debt was non-dischargeable when they borrowed the money.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 11:17 PM (h2Bdk)

241 214
I've had a good laugh over the language on this. These days spending what you receive in taxes is "austerity".

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 11:09 PM (h2Bdk)


We are so effing doomed.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 11:18 PM (sdi6R)

242 I brung this up in the gub thread, but I've been binge-watching the Apollo 11 "live stream."

Holy balls, those dudes were frosty as fuck.

Best part is, they weren't the only ones. There were other missions, both before and after.

These sonsabitches had gigantic clanky balls. A wonder they could even walk around without a wheelbarrow.

And seeing the video of the moon as they headed home was fucking awesome.

I hope the site stays live after splashdown. there is a shit ton of stuff I want to sift through.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 11:18 PM (aurSP)

243 I was working on a military base when BRAC was happening. None of it had anything to do with what the military needed, and nothing got closed in districts with powerful congressmen. It was a exercise in pure power politics.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 11:19 PM (h2Bdk)

244 Hey everybody.

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 21, 2019 11:19 PM (oIkVW)

245 Companies don't want you to leave, they want to fire you.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 11:13 PM (Wx/+I)

If they fire you, you get unemployment, if you quit, you don't. Yes, it really does suck, and an awful thing to go through.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 21, 2019 11:20 PM (Rz2Nc)

246 Uncle Sam is on the hook for it. Uncle Sam dished out the money. The money is gone. They (meaning the taxpayers) aren't ever getting it back.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 11:03 PM (GDooN)

Uncle Sam should put her in a brothel, and she can earn her way out on her back.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 21, 2019 11:10 PM (abNpZ)

Uncle Sam once took over a Brothel in Nevada for Tax evasion.

It went from profitable to out of business inside a year.

Nuff, said.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 11:12 PM (NgKpN)


Meh,

$5 a round.
Not trying to make a profit.

It's the principle.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 21, 2019 11:20 PM (1g7ch)

247 Demi Rose is nice enough, but she can't hold a candle to Lida Rose Quackenbush.

https://youtu.be/BLEEGnA8vQ8

Posted by: Prof. Harold Hill at July 21, 2019 11:21 PM (q1Pj5)

248 Companies don't want you to leave, they want to fire you.



Actually, if you are an executive with a non-compete clause, they want you to quit, so you can't get another job in your industry. If they fire you, you can, in theory at least, take all their secrets to their competitor. At least that's how I understand it.

Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 11:21 PM (AkkRZ)

249 future dental floss tycoon...

*****

New or used?

Posted by: Muldoon at July 21, 2019 11:23 PM (mvenn)

250 "I'm drowning in debt for a piece of paper I never received. Nobody should be in this position."
-- Ashlee Last Name Withheld
---
Nobody pays for a diploma. A diploma you pay for is either a crime, or has no value.

You paid for resources, you paid for the professors time, you paid for an opportunity to work and achieve that piece of paper, which would tell future employers you were minimally acquainted with your field.

You received the services you paid for.

Posted by: Axeman at July 21, 2019 11:23 PM (Eicbe)

251 It went from profitable to out of business inside a year.



Nuff, said.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 11:12 PM (NgKpN)


Meanwhile, my friend that lives a mile or two away from one on the more well-known "houses" says they're still raking in the bucks while staying strictly "legal", and paying a huge percentage of the tax base for the entire county and contributing to community projects (like high school sports programs).

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:23 PM (BiNEL)

252
The market for fat men in dresses is just about zero.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear


The market is wide open:

https://tinyurl.com/yywayp5f

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 11:23 PM (aKsyK)

253 Companies don't want you to leave, they want to fire you.

----

That's not my current experience. In my outfit, if they 'let you go', they will pay some severance. If you quit, you get nothing. So, if they don't want you around, they work hard to get you just simply quit - especially long term employees. The longer the service, the higher payout if you are fired/let go/job eliminated/etc.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 21, 2019 11:26 PM (Z/1Kk)

254 The upshot is, they sold it to me for $129, and they were great about it. I was great about it. Everyone was great about it, though I noticed the floor manager guy was crumpling up a price tag thing as he authorized the sale.
The next day, I walked into the same Best Buy and looked, and they had the same drive for $139. So, I think, I won. I guess.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 21, 2019 11:15 PM (l9m7l)


I just swapped out the disk in an old 2007 iMac I bought off my sister in 2012 for an SSD because the disk was crapping out. I got a 240GB SSD from Best Buy that was supposed to be in the store (according to the website) but the guy couldn't find it. Then they found it, so I bought it. It's doing a fresh install of OS X 10.11 right now.

My sister took the proceeds from the sale and bought a handbag, of all things. But I was talking with her today and she said she still uses it seven years later. So I guess it worked out all around.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 11:26 PM (t+qrx)

255 Wenda. Bozeman is great. We love the Bitterroot.
Got my lesson on the proper use of bear spray today. We're renting a cabin at the base of the Bitterroot mountains. Friends that live here gifted us the spray and taught us how to us it. They suggested having it on us when we take the dog out late at night and early in the morning. Also going to carry my Kimber 9mm. Probably will scare the dog and the bear would shrug it off. Still will make me feel better.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at July 21, 2019 11:26 PM (hpmE4)

256
Sorry, everyone. Feeling tired and bitter tonight.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 11:26 PM (Wx/+I)

257 233 Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 11:05 PM (f1Vqw)

What, there's busty lesbian porn on the internet?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:14 PM (BiNEL)

The Internet is for porn!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:26 PM (NWiLs)

258 In rejecting her claim, the court affirmed that states do indeed have the right to require that anyone charging for health and medical services—in this case, dietetics and nutrition advice—be qualified and licensed.
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So, it's illegal to be an undocumented health provider--but nobody is illegal so...

We should have open professions, and give everybody a chance to succeed.

Posted by: Axeman at July 21, 2019 11:27 PM (Eicbe)

259 256
Sorry, everyone. Feeling tired and bitter tonight.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 11:26 PM (Wx/+I)

It's all good. Lots of us have been where you are.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:27 PM (NWiLs)

260
When things get desperate, the base closing model might be the answer for the budget deficit.
Posted by: mnw


I thought they already had one of those about 20 years ago. It made suggestions and Congress said no.

Grace Commission maybe?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 11:27 PM (aKsyK)

261 What, there's busty lesbian porn on the internet?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:14 PM (BiNEL)

The Internet is for porn!
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:26 PM (NWiLs)


There's an internet?

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 11:28 PM (t+qrx)

262 261 What, there's busty lesbian porn on the internet?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:14 PM (BiNEL)

The Internet is for porn!
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:26 PM (NWiLs)

There's an internet?
Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 11:28 PM (t+qrx)

Yes. I know this is a mind-blowing revelation. Try to remain calm.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:29 PM (NWiLs)

263
Say this to yourself often: taxes are almost never more than 20% of GDP.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 11:29 PM (Wx/+I)

264 Grace Commission maybe?

*********

Coup de Grace Commission

Posted by: Muldoon at July 21, 2019 11:30 PM (mvenn)

265 Yes. I know this is a mind-blowing revelation. Try to remain calm.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:29 PM (NWiLs)


I'm perfectly calm, dude.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 11:30 PM (t+qrx)

266
Coup de Grace Commission
Posted by: Muldoon


A Tudor

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 11:31 PM (aKsyK)

267 What happened Hadrian? Something with the doggies?

Posted by: cfo mom at July 21, 2019 11:31 PM (RfzVr)

268 In Cheyenne Wyoming, I saw a Bank and Trust that went by the name Oregon Trail.

I couldn't help but think of all starvation, death, dysentery and consumption that goes along with the banking.

Posted by: Axeman at July 21, 2019 11:31 PM (Eicbe)

269 262
261 What, there's busty lesbian porn on the internet?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:14 PM (BiNEL)



The Internet is for porn!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:26 PM (NWiLs)



There's an internet?

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 11:28 PM (t+qrx)



Yes. I know this is a mind-blowing revelation. Try to remain calm.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:29 PM (NWiLs)

If only someone had told me, think of the time I would have saved!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar Costanza at July 21, 2019 11:31 PM (BiNEL)

270 268 In Cheyenne Wyoming, I saw a Bank and Trust that went by the name Oregon Trail.

I couldn't help but think of all starvation, death, dysentery and consumption that goes along with the banking.
Posted by: Axeman at July 21, 2019 11:31 PM (Eicbe)

And covered wagons.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:32 PM (NWiLs)

271
I'm so behind the times. I just got around to playing with Git. Hell, it's great. I've never used source control before, and since everyone is using it, what with everyhing on Github, I thought I'd better see what the fuss was about.

And I just realized it could work with just about anything, test based at least.

Linus Torvalds is good.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 11:32 PM (f1Vqw)

272 257 233 Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 11:05 PM (f1Vqw)

What, there's busty lesbian porn on the internet?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:14 PM (BiNEL)

The Internet is for porn!
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:26 PM (NWiLs)


Hahaha. That's a blast from the past!

https://tinyurl.com/acokozf

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 11:32 PM (h2Bdk)

273 If only someone had told me, think of the time I would have saved!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar Costanza at July 21, 2019 11:31 PM (BiNEL)

Right? And I'm usually the last one to know these things...

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:32 PM (NWiLs)

274 my guess with all the incest pr0n these days (i don't remember it being so prevalent even five years ago) is that it's embarrassing to the wanker's families, so they're doing it to honeytrap and for blackmail.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 11:33 PM (ykYG2)

275 The market for fat men in dresses is just about zero.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear
Shucks, Moe!
Dang it, Joe!

https://youtu.be/a0fzeVbicd4

Posted by: Moe Bandy and Joe Stampley at July 21, 2019 11:33 PM (q1Pj5)

276 I couldn't help but think of all starvation, death, dysentery and consumption that goes along with the banking.

You have died of dysentery.

Posted by: The Oregon Trail Game at July 21, 2019 11:33 PM (I2/tG)

277 Amanda Liberty up there reminded me of the final paragraph of the Statue of Liberty's dedication at its unveiling. Here's the text link and an excerpt:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y5hywcou
"The rays from this beacon, lighting this gateway to the continent, will welcome the poor and the persecuted with the hope and promise of homes and citizenship. It will teach them that there is room and brotherhood for all who will support our institutions and aid in our development; but that those who come to disturb our peace and dethrone our laws are aliens and enemies forever."

This would apply to Ms. Omar and her ilk.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 21, 2019 11:33 PM (NMAzL)

278 "I'm drowning in debt for a piece of paper I never received. Nobody should be in this position." Ashlee Last Name Withheld


College ain't for everyone sugartits.
STEM degree holders rarely have debt.
Math is hard; become a stripper.

Posted by: PDT at July 21, 2019 11:34 PM (QMwOT)

279 Actually, if you are an executive with a non-compete clause, they want you to quit, so you can't get another job in your industry. If they fire you, you can, in theory at least, take all their secrets to their competitor. At least that's how I understand it.
Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 11:21 PM (AkkRZ)

If you're at a high enough level to be under contract, the non-compete clause is in place whether you quit or are fired. If you are fired, how easy would it be to get another job in that industry (ok, easier than you might think)?

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 21, 2019 11:34 PM (Rz2Nc)

280 We should have open professions, and give everybody a chance to succeed.

Posted by: Axeman at July 21, 2019 11:27 PM (Eicbe)

I'm ready to hand out my brain surgeon shingle!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:34 PM (BiNEL)

281
What happened Hadrian? Something with the doggies?

Posted by: cfo mom


My application for a job I'm perfectly suited for will be rejected by an algorithm based on an irrelevant requirement.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 11:34 PM (Wx/+I)

282
but that those who come to disturb our peace and dethrone our laws are aliens and enemies forever."

This would apply to Ms. Omar and her ilk.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess


And that darn Klaatu guy.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 11:35 PM (aKsyK)

283 In rejecting her claim, the court affirmed that states do indeed have the right to require that anyone charging for health and medical services--in this case, dietetics and nutrition advice--be qualified and licensed. (State laws governing who can offer personalized nutrition services vary considerably, however.)

Uh oh ... ace might be in big trouble for proselytizing his breatharian ideas ...

"Eat a cupcake, dammit!!"

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 21, 2019 11:36 PM (6fsOH)

284 Sorry, everyone. Feeling tired and bitter tonight.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 11:26 PM (Wx/+I)

Certainly understandable.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 21, 2019 11:36 PM (Rz2Nc)

285 "those who come to disturb our peace and dethrone our laws are aliens and enemies forever"

except for Zod of course.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 11:37 PM (ykYG2)

286
I'm ready to hand out my brain surgeon shingle!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar


You too could become a double naught spy!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 11:37 PM (aKsyK)

287 I have a 10-year-old laptop that I put Linux Mint on. For a while I had Debian, but that was awful.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 21, 2019 11:37 PM (LxTcq)

288 In Cheyenne Wyoming, I saw a Bank and Trust that went by the name Oregon Trail.

*****

Where your deposited money is kept in a hand-dug hole beneath the crooked pine tree just south of the ridge with three large rocks east of the west bank of the south fork of the Snake River. Good luck finding your cache (pun intended) when you need it.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 21, 2019 11:37 PM (mvenn)

289 62
Trump converts, runs for Pope:

What would his papal name be?

The Man Who Would Be King of the Popes

https://youtu.be/L2xWQr4VaUA
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 10:21 PM (aKsyK)


Pope Trump you moron.

Posted by: PDT at July 21, 2019 11:37 PM (QMwOT)

290 Once again drove home from The City with a fantastic fireworks show, only this time it was all natural. Loads of lightning ahead of us the whole way.

Just as we pull up to the front gate, the wind starts gusting and as we pull in front of the house and turn off the car, the clouds burst.

What a relief after these scorching days.

There were road crew along the way, evidently repairing some severely buckled pavement - both lanes - everyone had to drive on the shoulder. I rolled down the window and shouted "God bless you guys!" One guy heard and yelled 'thanks.' The storm should just make their work all the more fun.

Daughter is about a half-hour behind us. Little prayer always welcome.

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for obscure funny at July 21, 2019 11:37 PM (Q1QrS)

291 If you're at a high enough level to be under contract, the non-compete clause is in place whether you quit or are fired. If you are fired, how easy would it be to get another job in that industry (ok, easier than you might think)?
Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 21, 2019 11:34 PM (Rz2Nc)


Non-compete clauses aren't enforceable everywhere. Here in CA for normal employees they aren't worth the paper they're printed on, though it's different if, say, you owned a startup which you sold to another company.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 11:37 PM (h2Bdk)

292 Bride plans to marry chandelier - but is in open relationship with other objects

At least she isn't trying to claim she's a guy ... yet.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 21, 2019 11:38 PM (6fsOH)

293 Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:14 PM (BiNEL)

The Internet is for porn!
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:26 PM (NWiLs)

Hahaha. That's a blast from the past!

https://tinyurl.com/acokozf
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 11:32 PM (h2Bdk)

Ready "normal people"?!
Lemme hear it!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:38 PM (NWiLs)

294 287 I have a 10-year-old laptop that I put Linux Mint on. For a while I had Debian, but that was awful.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 21, 2019 11:37 PM (LxTcq)


Debian is for people who see Linux as a hobby and not a tool.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 11:39 PM (h2Bdk)

295
Plus, Delilah got walked out of the ring today by a judge who must have had a breakdown. Everything in her final lineup was a female.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 11:39 PM (Wx/+I)

296 Sounds like a big thunderstorm approaching.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 11:39 PM (sdi6R)

297 The documents Martin stole were said to include NSA reports on its targets and the intrusion techniques foreign hacking groups had used against Uncle Sam. He also collected software and documents on the exploits and monitoring tools that NSA and US government hackers used against foreign targets.
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Well, maybe he didn't intend to break the law.

Posted by: Axeman at July 21, 2019 11:39 PM (Eicbe)

298 Oh my, that is a kick. Try not to fret Hadrian, as you know, God works all things for good for those who love him. He will find you a better spot.

And with that, nite all. G'son will be here at 6:45.

Posted by: cfo mom at July 21, 2019 11:40 PM (RfzVr)

299 297 The documents Martin stole were said to include NSA reports on its targets and the intrusion techniques foreign hacking groups had used against Uncle Sam. He also collected software and documents on the exploits and monitoring tools that NSA and US government hackers used against foreign targets.
---
Well, maybe he didn't intend to break the law.
Posted by: Axeman at July 21, 2019 11:39 PM (Eicbe)


Yooooohoooooo...

Posted by: Strict Liability at July 21, 2019 11:41 PM (h2Bdk)

300 The rays from this beacon, lighting this gateway to the continent, will welcome the poor and the persecuted with the hope and promise of homes and citizenship. It will teach them that there is room and brotherhood for all who will support our institutions and aid in our development; but that those who come to disturb our peace and dethrone our laws are aliens and enemies forever."

This would apply to Ms. Omar and her ilk.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 21, 2019 11:33 PM (NMAzL)

THAT, is awesome, had never heard that before.

But so applicable.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 11:41 PM (NgKpN)

301 Miles City, Custer County, Montana. Born there and have family buried there, real cowboy country.

Posted by: GT 5.0 at July 21, 2019 11:41 PM (Nk0GK)

302 Sorry, everyone. Feeling tired and bitter tonight.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 11:26 PM (Wx/+I)
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You're feeling tired. I was just informed that I died of dysentery.

Posted by: Axeman at July 21, 2019 11:41 PM (Eicbe)

303 I have a 10-year-old laptop that I put Linux Mint on. For a while I had Debian, but that was awful.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 21, 2019 11:37 PM (LxTcq)

Same here, the original drive crashed and I put in an SSD, downloaded a Mint iso, and bingo. It was a bargain basement Toshiba to begin with ten years ago, so speedy it isn't, but perfectly serviceable.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:41 PM (BiNEL)

304 "... but that those who come to disturb our peace and dethrone our laws are aliens and enemies forever."

Good stuff.

From a more rational time.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 21, 2019 11:42 PM (6fsOH)

305 Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:34 PM (BiNEL)

Hmmm not quite ready for you Doc

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 11:42 PM (aA3+G)

306 The documents Martin stole were said to include NSA
reports on its targets and the intrusion techniques foreign hacking
groups had used against Uncle Sam. He also collected software and
documents on the exploits and monitoring tools that NSA and US
government hackers used against foreign targets.

---

Well, maybe he didn't intend to break the law.

Posted by: Axeman at July 21, 2019 11:39 PM (Eicbe)

Maybe they fell off of the table and somehow slipped into his socks. Could happen!

Posted by: Sandy Berger at July 21, 2019 11:42 PM (q1Pj5)

307 Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 21, 2019 11:33 PM (NMAzL)

THAT, is awesome, had never heard that before.


But so applicable.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 11:41 PM (NgKpN)

Gee, I wonder why THAT part is never quoted?
/s

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:43 PM (BiNEL)

308 Hey how you doing insom? Good talking to you the other day. And I'm glad we solved all the problems of the universe very cool. Be well good friend.

Posted by: Farmer posting from stupid smartphone at July 21, 2019 11:45 PM (3qoAC)

309 I'm so behind the times. I just got around to playing with Git. Hell, it's great. I've never used source control before, and since everyone is using it, what with everyhing on Github, I thought I'd better see what the fuss was about.

And I just realized it could work with just about anything, test based at least.

Linus Torvalds is good.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 11:32 PM (f1Vqw)


You really appreciate it when you've had to use other, lesser VCS like Subversion. Consider:
In SVN, you can branch and merge repos. But a branch is the entire repo, not just the delta. So branching a 30MB repo, which is hardly uncommon, takes another 30MB. Which isn't much by itself, granted, but it's unwieldy to push the branch out to the server (because it's not distributed, so EVERYTHING must go back to the server) all the time. And pull everyone else's branches.
Then you get to commit your wee little change. Git merges are pretty straightforward. If there are conflicts, resolving them is straightforward and transparent. If you want to commit some changes but not others, you can stash changes to your branch so they won't be considered for the merge. Subversion lines up both branches - each one a full-weight copy of the master - and crashes them into each other at full speed. The wreckage is left in your checkout directory (at least three new files for each conflict) and you get to clean it up before you can work on anything else.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 11:45 PM (t+qrx)

310 Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:34 PM (BiNEL)



Hmmm not quite ready for you Doc

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 11:42 PM (aA3+G)

Dude, 10% off retail price for the first ten customers!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:46 PM (BiNEL)

311 Maybe Trump's papal name would be Rodrigo I.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Who Had A B-Wing, and Called It Brad at July 21, 2019 11:47 PM (Clxcy)

312 I'm ready to hand out my brain surgeon shingle!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

********


It's not that tough, trust me. Once you get the skull cap off just poke your forceps somewhere and watch to see what body part twitches. You can zero in pretty quickly that way.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 21, 2019 11:47 PM (mvenn)

313 And now I'm out. Off to reality and to dig a big hole for a dead sheep. Poor wee bugger couldn't handle the cold and frost I suppose. A runt I hand raised. Well if you have livestock, you have dead stock.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at July 21, 2019 11:47 PM (bgJ0E)

314 Spectacular storm. Doesn't look very wide on the map. Bet it will build up and get worse as it heads to SW Missou and NW Arkansas. Look out over there!

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for a story at July 21, 2019 11:47 PM (Q1QrS)

315 246 Uncle Sam is on the hook for it. Uncle Sam dished out the money. The money is gone. They (meaning the taxpayers) aren't ever getting it back.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 11:03 PM (GDooN)

Uncle Sam should put her in a brothel, and she can earn her way out on her back.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 21, 2019 11:10 PM (abNpZ)

Uncle Sam once took over a Brothel in Nevada for Tax evasion.

It went from profitable to out of business inside a year.

Nuff, said.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 11:12 PM (NgKpN)


Meh,

$5 a round.
Not trying to make a profit.

It's the principle.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 21, 2019 11:20 PM (1g7ch)

Line be around the block.

Posted by: PDT at July 21, 2019 11:47 PM (QMwOT)

316 Had a productive day today. Finished the body filler and primer stages of the rust repair to the rocker panels of the F150. Mixed up some "Steel-It" paint with about an equal volume of gasoline in a coffee, and used my engine-cleaning siphon sprayer to blast that mixture into the interior of the rocker panel via the access holes on the inside face. I spread paper to catch what dripped out; surprisingly, very little did. A shot of color-matching silver metallic paint, and some clear gravel guard, and it is done.

Did two bouts of lawn mowing, as break time waiting for stuff to dry. Mower is working real well, too.

Took a box of Keystone beer back to the liquor store, as it was just plain undrinkable; tasted like seawater. Got a box of Old Milwaukee instead, which is good for lawnmower beer.

And chipped a bunch of rust off the steel underparts of the Ford's running boards, and got a coat of black rust one one of them. Sun was getting low in the sky, so I quit.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 21, 2019 11:48 PM (abNpZ)

317 Trump's pope-name would be a killing word.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 21, 2019 11:48 PM (LxTcq)

318 310 Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:34 PM (BiNEL)



Hmmm not quite ready for you Doc

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 11:42 PM (aA3+G)
Dude, 10% off retail price for the first ten customers!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:46 PM (BiNEL)

Maybe you can trim a bit off the hippocampus. I have quite a few memories I'd like to get rid of.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:48 PM (NWiLs)

319 It's not that tough, trust me. Once you get the skull cap off just poke your forceps somewhere and watch to see what body part twitches. You can zero in pretty quickly that way.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 21, 2019 11:47 PM (mvenn)


Sure ... but that's why brain surgery on spazzes is close to impossible.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 21, 2019 11:48 PM (6fsOH)

320 @49 I *did* like what I saw of Mr Sunshine. Although it was getting hard to keep track of who was doing what and when, because of the flashbacks.

-----------------

On Netflix?

I finished it a couple of weeks ago. Good series. And a very brutal reminder on why the Koreans still don't like the Japanese.

Posted by: junior at July 21, 2019 11:50 PM (Fp6vo)

321 Non-compete clauses aren't enforceable everywhere. Here in CA for normal employees they aren't worth the paper they're printed on, though it's different if, say, you owned a startup which you sold to another company.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 21, 2019 11:37 PM (h2Bdk)

The original comment was about executives, I replied concerning management under contract, not certain what "normal" employees are, but I believe it's not that. Locally, our livestock vet hires other vets, some coming out of school, the sign a contract not to start a new vet within x amount of miles for 5 years after they leave his practice. No one has started a new practice within that territory even well after the five years. He's a really nice guy and good vet.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 21, 2019 11:51 PM (Rz2Nc)

322 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 21, 2019 11:48 PM (abNpZ)

Where do you get the energy for all that? I haven't done that much in a month.

Posted by: Strict Liability at July 21, 2019 11:53 PM (h2Bdk)

323
More Pope Trump:

"We don't have any reverence any more in the Catholic Church. No reverence anymore. I'm a big believer in reverence. You have to have reverence. Because without reverence it all becomes a joke. And the Mass is not a joke, is it? And, I must tell you, that under a Trump papacy we will have so much reverence in the Mass again, you will not believe it. You simply will not believe the reverence."

(Cheers, applause)

"And then the Communion comes and the bad music starts. It's like I'm at a bad Woodstock concert, it really is. The guitars start, the guy with the ponytail starts singing. And I see people going up to receive God, OK. I just converted, but I read this in Trent, OK, it says we believe Communion is God. It says it right here, I have it highlighted, OK. And the people are receiving God in their hand, crumbs are falling, they're standing there putting it up to their mouth like a potato chip. They're dressed like they just came from the mall. And I see this, and I'm like, what are we doing, folks? What are we doing? Are we Catholics or are we Protestants? I know some Protestants who wouldn't receive Communion the way we receive Communion or dress the way I see some people dressing. No respect, folks. No respect, no reverence. Look, I have a meeting with a CEO and we want to do a deal he comes dressed in a suit. It's respect. If he shows up in shorts and flip flops I tell him get the hell out of my office, OK. Because it's a joke. He shows no respect and he's not taking it seriously. He's gone. Bye bye. And under a Trump papacy that's where these people will be. You don't respect the boss? Bye bye."

(Cheers, applause)

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 11:54 PM (Wx/+I)

324 Tell this Orzeman chick I'll spend the money I make anyway I like.

On the flip side I will not complain when I'm old and broke.

Heck by her logic drink only tap water.
Better yet rainwater collected in a barrel.

Save a ton.

Trouble is, skimping and saving all your life to live like a king or queen in your old age rarely works out. Hard to break habits you have spent a lifetime making which means you'll never eat the prime rib and lobster you have saved for but will the baloney sandwich.

Balance. Must have balance.

Posted by: PDT at July 21, 2019 11:55 PM (QMwOT)

325 Maybe you can trim a bit off the hippocampus. I have quite a few memories I'd like to get rid of.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:48 PM (NWiLs)

That's sounds like a specialty option I should look into, I think there is a large unserved market just waiting to be rewired, so to speak.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:55 PM (BiNEL)

326 Posted by: Farmer posting from stupid smartphone at July 21, 2019 11:45 PM (3qoAC)

Pretty good, amigo. I am in the pipeline for possible assignments with a new legal group, and there may be a couple of potential engagements in the works, though they aren't a done deal yet. But it's definitely looking up!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:55 PM (NWiLs)

327 Hrothgar give up the brain surgeon shit and become an orthopod, I would hire you

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 11:55 PM (aA3+G)

328 @278 You know sonny, when I came out of college, nobody called it "STEM" because it never occurred to anyone to give a jumped-up lab assistant the title "technologist." Due to the great NASA jack-off, there was a Western-world-wide surplus of researchers who had little to no hope of ever having a lasting university job, and the private science labs were folding up as fast as they could merge. Engineers were going to work selling cars, or running a shift at a factory. The machinists made fun of them.



To hear you bray, it must be a swell time to be all stemmy right now. Don't assume for one more moment that it always will be. At several key points in our economic cycles, it has not. If you do not know this, you're either not old enough or you were not paying attention.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at July 21, 2019 11:56 PM (8ZmvG)

329 @190 These days there doesn't seem to be a stigma for job hoppers, so as a consequence companies don't see the point in developing someone's skills just to have him jump to a competitor.

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In my field, most companies practically encourage it since they only hire contract workers.

Posted by: junior at July 21, 2019 11:56 PM (Fp6vo)

330 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 21, 2019 11:48 PM (abNpZ)



Where do you get the energy for all that? I haven't done that much in a month.

Posted by: Strict Liability at July 21, 2019 11:53 PM (h2Bdk)

I'd really like a video tour of the AOP shop complex, but I understand OPSEC, so...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 21, 2019 11:58 PM (BiNEL)

331 Hrothgar give up the brain surgeon shit and become an orthopod, I would hire you
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 11:55 PM (aA3+G)


"When Hrothgar woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed in his bed into a monstrous orthopod"

Posted by: Franz Kafka at July 21, 2019 11:58 PM (t+qrx)

332 Neurosurgeon needs to understand the homunculus on the motor portion of the cerebral cortex, distorted humanoid shape that maps to the body region controlled by that region of the brain.

Once you've got that memorized its just a matter of ablating the areas that are overactive and stimulating the areas that are underactive.

Brains are easy. Hearts are challenging.

Posted by: Muldoon at July 21, 2019 11:58 PM (mvenn)

333 Sorry MisHum, but it's been a while and I need something interesting to bring up so do you mind if I share one more Quora question?

"Why did Jimmy Carter allow Iran to keep Americans hostage?"

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 21, 2019 11:58 PM (oIkVW)

334
I was reading about Torvald's creation of Git. One humorous quote was something he told those working on it with him, "Let CVS be your guide. If there's a question, do the opposite of what CVS does."

He was in need of a version control system for the Linux kernel. THere were problems with the one they were using, BitKeeper.

So he wrote some specs for the version control they needed for the Linux kernel.

THere was no product that met those specs, so he had to write his own.

Another quote that tickled me. Git is written in C, pure C, not C++. Some programmer complained about that, and Linus scorched saying, "...and, if using C serves no other purpose than keeping C++ programmers out of the project, then it's worth it."

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at July 21, 2019 11:59 PM (f1Vqw)

335 332 Neurosurgeon needs to understand the homunculus on the motor portion of the cerebral cortex, distorted humanoid shape that maps to the body region controlled by that region of the brain.

Once you've got that memorized its just a matter of ablating the areas that are overactive and stimulating the areas that are underactive.

Brains are easy. Hearts are challenging.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 21, 2019 11:58 PM (mvenn)

Minds get lost. Hearts get broken.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:59 PM (NWiLs)

336 @195
The big porn category is incest. I imagine thousands of psychology students are pounding away at keyboards as we speak with plausible explanations.

----------------

Based on what I've heard from some of my family members who are linked to the prosecutorial side of law enforcement, there's a real life trend with boyfriends getting involved with their girlfriend's teenage daughter. The amount of force involved varies from instance to instance.

It's possible that there's a connection.

Posted by: junior at July 22, 2019 12:00 AM (Fp6vo)

337
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 11:54 PM (Wx/+I)

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*bows down*

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 22, 2019 12:00 AM (13CQC)

338 Hrothgar give up the brain surgeon shit and become an orthopod

Go on . . .

Posted by: Kurt! at July 22, 2019 12:00 AM (ykYG2)

339 Wish I hadn't missed this weekend's movie thread.

Because our internet has been down, I and family have been watching movies the last couple nights.

I showed my mom and sister Blazing Saddles and Manhunter. They liked both. (Was especially fun to see Blazing Saddles again.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 22, 2019 12:01 AM (oIkVW)

340
We don't have any reverence any more in the Catholic Church. No reverence anymore.

Sounds like Rodney Dangerfield.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 22, 2019 12:03 AM (aKsyK)

341 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 11:55 PM (aA3+G)



I'd be interested, but I've heard it is really hard to get a toehold in that field!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 22, 2019 12:03 AM (BiNEL)

342 Evenin' Horde.

So today I brought down a bunch of stuff to donate to the local thrift store. Included in the pile of stuff was a box of vinyl LPs. When I opened the back of the car, the box fell out and the records spilled out onto the street. Then I noticed that one of the records was Dark Side of the Moon. I have another copy, and my son has a copy, so this one was an extra that I forgot that I had. Still, it's worth a few bucks and it doesn't deserve the thrift store fate. So maybe I'll Discog it, or bring it down to the local record store for a trade...

Posted by: Average Guy at July 22, 2019 12:04 AM (BaHwF)

343 If the apocalypse brought hell on earth, which minister would you stand next to? A catholic priest with a frock? Or a Ned Flanders type with a guitar and a heart pin on his cardigan?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 22, 2019 12:04 AM (LxTcq)

344 336 @195
The big porn category is incest. I imagine thousands of psychology students are pounding away at keyboards as we speak with plausible explanations.

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there's really something psychological going on. Because with the volume down, it's all the same, eh?

Posted by: Keto not Beto at July 22, 2019 12:05 AM (JziUy)

345 "When Hrothgar woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed in his bed into a monstrous orthopod"

Posted by: Franz Kafka at July 21, 2019 11:58 PM (t+qrx)

Darn it, now I'm afraid to go to sleep tonight!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 22, 2019 12:06 AM (BiNEL)

346 If the apocalypse brought hell on earth, which minister would you stand next to?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 22, 2019 12:04 AM (LxTcq)


The one from Dead Alive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7xN3Z7890o

Posted by: hogmartin at July 22, 2019 12:06 AM (t+qrx)

347 Posted by: qdpsteve at July 21, 2019 11:58 PM (oIkVW)

As if I have a choice?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 22, 2019 12:06 AM (aA3+G)

348 A bit of a ruckus outside. I heard a seagull crying and an eagle chattering. Looked in the Douglass fir tree out the fron t window and the seagull was dive bombing the top of the tree, circling around and diving again. Then a bald eagle hurts out and flew away.


Nature is so cool.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 22, 2019 12:07 AM (PkVlr)

349 The Difference Between Arthropods and Orthopods

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y2tpgtrp

Posted by: rickl at July 22, 2019 12:07 AM (sdi6R)

350 343 If the apocalypse brought hell on earth, which minister would you stand next to? A catholic priest with a frock? Or a Ned Flanders type with a guitar and a heart pin on his cardigan?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 22, 2019 12:04 AM (LxTcq)

I make no assumptions about either.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 22, 2019 12:08 AM (NWiLs)

351

Company I used to work for used more and more contractors. They always got them from a contracting company - never direct hire. Is this the same everywhere else?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 22, 2019 12:08 AM (aKsyK)

352 346 If the apocalypse brought hell on earth, which minister would you stand next to?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 22, 2019 12:04 AM (LxTcq)

The one from Dead Alive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7xN3Z7890o
Posted by: hogmartin at July 22, 2019 12:06 AM (t+qrx)


Perhaps the Rev Gene Scott

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 22, 2019 12:08 AM (aA3+G)

353 The Difference Between Arthropods and Orthopods

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y2tpgtrp
Posted by: rickl at July 22, 2019 12:07 AM (sdi6R)


That was good

Posted by: hogmartin at July 22, 2019 12:09 AM (t+qrx)

354 I'll be careful with your heart, Insom.

Please be careful with mine.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 22, 2019 12:10 AM (PkVlr)

355 Fan trailer for Watchman made entirely for Rorschach

https://youtu.be/IfXGbA5L9us

Whatever kind of hack Zack Snyder might have become, this movie is amazing.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 22, 2019 12:10 AM (LxTcq)

356 If the apocalypse brought hell on earth, which minister would you stand next to? A catholic priest with a frock? Or a Ned Flanders type with a guitar and a heart pin on his cardigan?
Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 22, 2019 12:04 AM (LxTcq)

Thankfully those aren't the only two choices.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 22, 2019 12:11 AM (Rz2Nc)

357 MisHum, just tryin' to be nice :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 22, 2019 12:12 AM (oIkVW)

358 Gomerblog rocks. I get it every week. Funny stuff

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 22, 2019 12:14 AM (PkVlr)

359
Thankfully those aren't the only two choices.
Posted by: Evasiveboat42


Binary or Not Binary?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 22, 2019 12:19 AM (aKsyK)

360 good night allthe sun rises far too earlyand I have lots to do before the rains begin again

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 22, 2019 12:19 AM (BiNEL)

361 The market is wide open:



https://tinyurl.com/yywayp5f

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 11:23 PM (aKsyK)

Jessica (formerly Jonathan) Yaniv is the one who also got a Canadian woman professor kicked off Twitter. She was disturbed by his fascination with 10 year old girls and if it was OK to borrow tampons from them, or show them how to use tampons. He's a sick fuck.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 22, 2019 12:19 AM (NMAzL)

362 Looks like the strongest part of the storm passed to the north of me. I can still hear some rumbling in the distance, but the cat came out of hiding, so it must be over.

Posted by: rickl at July 22, 2019 12:19 AM (sdi6R)

363 here comes the rain again

Posted by: Kurt! at July 22, 2019 12:19 AM (ykYG2)

364 The protestors in Hong Kong have been using the Union Jack as a symbol of defiance against the government in Beijing. And apparently this is breaking the brains of some of the outside observers who are bit too stuck on the whole "western colonialism" thing.

https://tinyurl.com/y4hl7wua


h/t Instapundit

Posted by: junior at July 22, 2019 12:19 AM (Fp6vo)

365
We don't have any reverence any more in the Catholic Church. No reverence anymore.

Sounds like Rodney Dangerfield.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

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Rodney was the prophet of Donald.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 22, 2019 12:20 AM (13CQC)

366 Actually, if you are an executive with a non-compete clause, they want you to quit, so you can't get another job in your industry. If they fire you, you can, in theory at least, take all their secrets to their competitor. At least that's how I understand it.
Posted by: shibumi, future dental floss tycoon at July 21, 2019 11:21 PM (AkkRZ)

If you're at a high enough level to be under contract, the non-compete clause is in place whether you quit or are fired. If you are fired, how easy would it be to get another job in that industry (ok, easier than you might think)?

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 21, 2019 11:34 PM (Rz2Nc)
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last i looked, non-compete clauses were null and void in #Failifornia.

so now there are TWO reasons to stay here: that and being able to turn right on a red light.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 22, 2019 12:21 AM (0yjx7)

367 I cannot figure out the formatting glitch on Firefox under Mintthe "Enter" seems to ignore the line feed of what I expect to be CR/LF

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 22, 2019 12:22 AM (BiNEL)

368
The protestors in Hong Kong have been using the Union Jack as a symbol of defiance against the government in Beijing.

Masked Men Attack Anyone They Think Is A Hong Kong Protester, Also Attack Reporter, Beating Them With Batons

https://www.weaselzippers.us/?p=426636

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 22, 2019 12:24 AM (aKsyK)

369 testtest
test

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 22, 2019 12:24 AM (BiNEL)

370 Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 22, 2019 12:24 AM (BiNEL)

Triple test?,

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 22, 2019 12:26 AM (aA3+G)

371 "Why did Jimmy Carter allow Iran to keep Americans hostage?"

Posted by: qdpsteve at July 21, 2019 11:58 PM (oIkVW)
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because he was, is, and always will be a mewling little candy ass of a fucking pussy.

as well as being a coward who hates America from the bottom of his little bitch ass soul.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 22, 2019 12:29 AM (0yjx7)

372 If the Russian Civil War were the 2016 election, the Whites' leadership would've been the GOPe. Refusing to make peace or an alliance with the Greens. Because losing to the Reds is better than making common cause with peasants.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 22, 2019 12:30 AM (5aX2M)

373 >>>>>> 29
Beautiful photo up top. Where is that?

I also found it alluring. Hunted it down to somewhere near Lac Blanc in the Alps, near Chamonix, facing East-Southeast-ish.

This (flipped) pic came up in a similar pics search: https://tinyurl.com/y4uhdydb

yada, yada, yada. The Alps.

Posted by: Mephistefales at July 22, 2019 12:32 AM (C9aik)

374 Binary or Not Binary?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 22, 2019 12:19 AM (aKsyK)

Well, non-binary, where I live, I'm not certain either exist. There used to be a Catholic Church, hidden down some alley, I'm not certain it's still there. There might be some Ned Flanders type Church around, I don't know where it actually is. My reality is neither is immediately available to me, I'll go with the Amish Bishop that lives behind me, or maybe a Mennonite minister. Something that is actually available to me. Is that fair enough?

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 22, 2019 12:32 AM (Rz2Nc)

375 Maybe you can trim a bit off the hippocampus. I have quite a few memories I'd like to get rid of.



Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:48 PM (NWiLs)


Morty's Mind-Blowers.

It is so wrong.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 22, 2019 12:32 AM (vJw+j)

376 hey, jimmy peanut-penis sent a whole eight five helicopters to rescue those hostages. before wimping out. and losing one of those helicopters anyway.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 22, 2019 12:34 AM (ykYG2)

377 Triple test?,

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 22, 2019 12:26 AM (aA3+G)

Some weird stuff going on with my Linux Firefox and I have neither the time nor the patience to fiddle with it anymore. Could be FF, could be Pixy, really strange behaviour, eh?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 22, 2019 12:35 AM (BiNEL)

378 last i looked, non-compete clauses were null and void in #Failifornia.

so now there are TWO reasons to stay here: that and being able to turn right on a red light.
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 22, 2019 12:21 AM (0yjx7)

You can turn right on red in most, if not all, states.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 22, 2019 12:35 AM (Rz2Nc)

379 Posted by: Kindltot at July 22, 2019 12:32 AM (vJw+j)
Disk Sanders will take off memories quite nicely, if properly applied.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at July 22, 2019 12:37 AM (BiNEL)

380 last i looked, non-compete clauses were null and void in #Failifornia.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 22, 2019 12:21 AM (0yjx7)
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Well, the People's Republic of California is another country.

Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 12:37 AM (Eicbe)

381 You can turn right on red in most, if not all, states.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 22, 2019 12:35 AM (Rz2Nc)
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Copy Cats!

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 22, 2019 12:37 AM (0yjx7)

382 Hrothgar give up the brain surgeon shit and become an orthopod, I would hire you
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 21, 2019 11:55 PM (aA3+G)

Or an arthropod, if he's feeling crabby

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2019 12:38 AM (abNpZ)

383 You can turn right on red in most, if not all, states.
Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 22, 2019 12:35 AM (Rz2Nc)

In Michigan, you can turn left on red.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 22, 2019 12:38 AM (t+qrx)

384 My old boss wore arthopodic shoes. Just 2 though.

Posted by: klaftern at July 22, 2019 12:39 AM (RuIsu)

385 The plan to rescue the hostages in Iran would have worked. Casualties yes. It was worth the risk. The accident at Desert One was preventable.

To the Brits: Get your tankers back! Bon Chance!

Posted by: PDT at July 22, 2019 12:39 AM (QMwOT)

386 Another weekend fades away, it was so nice to see Slap back!

Posted by: .Debby Doberman Schultz at July 22, 2019 12:39 AM (a4EWo)

387 If the apocalypse brought hell on earth, which minister would you stand next to? A catholic priest with a frock? Or a Ned Flanders type with a guitar and a heart pin on his cardigan?

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 22, 2019 12:04 AM (LxTcq)
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If you think you have to stand close to a minister, you're already screwed.

Jesus is either your intercessor, or you're screwed.

Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 12:40 AM (Eicbe)

388 385 The plan to rescue the hostages in Iran would have worked. Casualties yes. It was worth the risk. The accident at Desert One was preventable.

To the Brits: Get your tankers back! Bon Chance!

Posted by: PDT at July 22, 2019 12:39 AM (QMwOT)


I always got the impression that mission wasn't intended to succeed.

Posted by: Ace's liver at July 22, 2019 12:41 AM (h2Bdk)

389 To hear you bray, it must be a swell time to be all stemmy right now. Don't assume for one more moment that it always will be. At several key points in our economic cycles, it has not. If you do not know this, you're either not old enough or you were not paying attention.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at July 21, 2019 11:56 PM (8ZmvG)

But there will probably never come a time when a B.A. in underwater basket weaving or lesbian Eskimo poetry will land you a hundred thousand dollar per year job, either.

I don't know if there any colleges left that offer a traditional B.A. in the arts as you and I knew them. Leastwise arts that are not polluted by Marxism and "critical studies".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2019 12:42 AM (abNpZ)

390 piss troughs:

Let us resume.

Posted by: mnw at July 22, 2019 12:43 AM (Cssks)

391 In Michigan, you can turn left on red.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 22, 2019 12:38 AM (t+qrx)

My Father (RIP), always said you should be able to. If nothing is coming, what difference does it make?

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 22, 2019 12:43 AM (Rz2Nc)

392 "I cannot figure out the formatting glitch on Firefox under Mintthe "Enter" seems to ignore the line feed of what I expect to be CR/LF"

It's true with Firefox Quantum under Windows 10 as well. Someone pointed out (correctly) that using a script blocker against mu.nu fixes that behavior.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at July 22, 2019 12:43 AM (7s3Gx)

393 AO)P

Hillsdale

Posted by: mnw at July 22, 2019 12:43 AM (Cssks)

394 test
test

test

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at July 22, 2019 12:44 AM (BiNEL)

395 @383 In Michigan, you can turn left on red.

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You can in California, as well... provided a one-way street is involved.

Posted by: junior at July 22, 2019 12:45 AM (Fp6vo)

396 If you think you have to stand close to a minister, you're already screwed.

Jesus is either your intercessor, or you're screwed.
Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 12:40 AM (Eicbe)

Good point!

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 22, 2019 12:45 AM (Rz2Nc)

397
If the apocalypse brought hell on earth, which minister would you stand next to? A catholic priest with a frock? Or a Ned Flanders type with a guitar and a heart pin on his cardigan?

Posted by: BourbonChicken

======

I'm not sure what provoked the question, but I'd rather stand next to Ned Flanders -- himself, not the type -- anytime. He's on television, and he's sweet.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 22, 2019 12:45 AM (13CQC)

398 Jessica (formerly Jonathan) Yaniv is the one who also got a Canadian woman professor kicked off Twitter. She was disturbed by his fascination with 10 year old girls and if it was OK to borrow tampons from them, or show them how to use tampons. He's a sick fuck.
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 22, 2019 12:19 AM (NMAzL)

Some days, there's just not enough bullets.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2019 12:46 AM (abNpZ)

399 Well, Ms non-grad borrowed money she cant pay back. If it were any other debt she could bankrupt out of it, and that includes any tax debt that was filed that is more than three years old.

since we aren't getting it back no how no way, allow her to go chapter 7 banko, after proving she is unable to make the payments to pay off within seven years,

Then have her agree to file single, no deductions, on a 1040EZ form for seven years and take any refund from Federal and (if any) state return.

And tell the universities they have to co-sign any future loans to avoid any repeats.

It is not a great solution, but it is probably as best as you can get.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 22, 2019 12:46 AM (vJw+j)

400 Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at July 22, 2019 12:44 AM (BiNEL)
Works fine in Opera

I think

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at July 22, 2019 12:46 AM (BiNEL)

401 My Father (RIP), always said you should be able to. If nothing is coming, what difference does it make?
Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 22, 2019 12:43 AM (Rz2Nc)

It's only strictly legal to turn left on red from a one-way onto a one-way. But we do have flashing yellow arrows for left turns if the oncoming is green. Which is handy, because you don't have to wait through a red arrow if there's no oncoming traffic.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 22, 2019 12:47 AM (t+qrx)

402 RE: the floating VW

The Kopechne death car flipped over when it went off the bridge, as I recall

Would the VW still float if it was upside down?

Posted by: mnw at July 22, 2019 12:47 AM (Cssks)

Posted by: Kindltot at July 22, 2019 12:47 AM (vJw+j)

404 @402
The Kopechne death car flipped over when it went off the bridge, as I recall

Would the VW still float if it was upside down?

------------------

The print mentions that the top of the car is water-tight, as well.

Posted by: junior at July 22, 2019 12:48 AM (Fp6vo)

405 President Trump should invite the Grassroots to the White House for a summer concert, great band.

Posted by: Summer of Love at July 22, 2019 12:48 AM (FJrl0)

406 'got the impression that mission wasn't intended to succeed'

You could be right. classic DC failure theatre. 'Oh darn, the helicopters didn't all make it, well, we tried'.

what was really ugly was how even that farce ended up with casualties.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 22, 2019 12:48 AM (ykYG2)

407 Copy Cats!
Posted by: redc1c4 at July 22, 2019 12:37 AM (0yjx7)

I've been driving since 19 mumble, mumble, mumble, it's always been the law. Maybe CA copied.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 22, 2019 12:49 AM (Rz2Nc)

408
Cool primary source from just after Stalin's death (CIA):

https://tinyurl.com/yx9j42vo

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 22, 2019 12:49 AM (5aX2M)

409

You can turn left all the time in a roundabout.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 22, 2019 12:50 AM (aKsyK)

410 It's true with Firefox Quantum under Windows 10 as well. Someone pointed out (correctly) that using a script blocker against mu.nu fixes that behavior.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at July 22, 2019 12:43 AM (7s3Gx)

Thanks, I'll search for that option in FF.

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at July 22, 2019 12:50 AM (BiNEL)

411 What I want to know is, why did VW think it was a selling point that their car floats? How many people need a floating car anyway?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 22, 2019 12:51 AM (v4v6L)

412 Some days, there's just not enough bullets.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2019 12:46 AM (abNpZ)

Ain't it the truth.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 22, 2019 12:51 AM (NMAzL)

413 The Kopechne death car flipped over when it went off the bridge, as I recall

Would the VW still float if it was upside down?
Posted by: mnw at July 22, 2019 12:47 AM (Cssks)

Would she have been clawing at the rear window if the car had flipped and the air bubble was on the floor?

A VW upside down in water would probably right itself, since the majority of its mass is on the same plane as its axles.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2019 12:52 AM (abNpZ)

414 Ever since Kierkegaard started propagating his devotions about individual salvation, the Western society has grown to understand that a man stands before God or falls on his own, not his relationship with, standing in--or history of contribution to an organization.

That also informs my understanding.

Of course, that needs to be tempered with our role in serving those who make the hard choice to be shepherds. Thus, those people striving boldly for God will always be "ministers" in effect, and as a result, have a role of God's messengers.

Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 12:52 AM (Eicbe)

415 I'm skeptical that a VW, or any car, would stay afloat upside down.

On a summer night, I doubt the windows were up in any event.

Posted by: mnw at July 22, 2019 12:53 AM (Cssks)

416 It's only strictly legal to turn left on red from a one-way onto a one-way. But we do have flashing yellow arrows for left turns if the oncoming is green. Which is handy, because you don't have to wait through a red arrow if there's no oncoming traffic.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 22, 2019 12:47 AM (t+qrx)

Say what? We have green arrows, no yellow or red. Where I actually live, throw the book away. Just don't hit farm equipment or Amish buggies, everything else goes.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 22, 2019 12:53 AM (Rz2Nc)

417 What I want to know is, why did VW think it was a selling point that their car floats? How many people need a floating car anyway?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 22, 2019 12:51 AM (v4v6L)

1. It's not a VW ad. It's a spoof from National Lampoon.

2. They did play up the airtight nature of their bodies, as it implies strength and integrity.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2019 12:54 AM (abNpZ)

418 [psst, i think the VW ad is a National Lampoon spoof]

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 22, 2019 12:54 AM (ykYG2)

419 AOP

I was about to say it was a spoof ad too.

Posted by: mnw at July 22, 2019 12:55 AM (Cssks)

420 "Thanks, I'll search for that option in FF."

I'm using Noscript and blocking it that way...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at July 22, 2019 12:58 AM (7s3Gx)

421 THAT VW AD ISN'T REAL, IT IS A SPOOF. IT IS FUNNY.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at July 22, 2019 12:58 AM (ykYG2)

422 I'm using Noscript and blocking it that way...
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at July 22, 2019 12:58 AM (7s3Gx)

I didn't like the way the Noscript access list sounded, I'll have to reread it later, much later.

Thanks for the tip!

Posted by: Comrade Hrothgar at July 22, 2019 01:00 AM (BiNEL)

423 Storm's passed. Daughter's home safe & sound. Said it was the worst blackout storm she's ever driven through... and she's been through a few. Considered pulling over, but, that's a two-edged sword. Folks who had pulled over make you wonder, are you in a lane, or what? Dangerous. That's the ones that at least had their lights on...!

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for a story at July 22, 2019 01:01 AM (Q1QrS)

424 A VW upside down in water would probably right itself, since the majority of its mass is on the same plane as its axles.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2019 12:52 AM (abNpZ)

IIRC, the water wasn't all that deep.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at July 22, 2019 01:01 AM (NMAzL)

425 Hogmartin #309, github stuff: What language are you speaking?

To think, I used to was a techish person.

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for a story at July 22, 2019 01:02 AM (Q1QrS)

426 Yes, the water was very shallow. Again, I doubt the windows were up anyway.

Posted by: mnw at July 22, 2019 01:03 AM (Cssks)

427 1. It's not a VW ad. It's a spoof from National Lampoon.

Back when humor was funny.

Posted by: JEM at July 22, 2019 01:03 AM (8erNz)

428 193- NZ Frank- I love you, but in a manly wat.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 22, 2019 01:03 AM (w7U7L)

429 Goodnight everyone. I have to get up early to feed the animals and then do nothing because it's supposed to rain all day.

Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 22, 2019 01:04 AM (Rz2Nc)

430 🎲

♠ Hadrian: Feeling tired and bitter tonight.
♠ Insomniac: Lots of us have been where you are.
♠ BeckoningChasm: I am a no-one who will die alone, and comments in websites might be the only way I will be ignored through eternity.

I think we need a chart, like those emoji charts to say how much pain you're in. "Show me on the chart with which Moron you most identify."

Apologies to those about whom I'm not thinking who could fill out the chart. Apologies to those I did think of.

Like, at the top of the chart,
Insomniac (post Nurse)

Somewhere in the middle:
Insomniac (pre Nurse)
Hadrian

Toward the bottom:
Beckoning Chasm - on a good day
😬 mindful webworker - can't even talk about it.

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for a story at July 22, 2019 01:05 AM (Q1QrS)

431
Funny spoof ad for VW:

https://youtu.be/kKTXK8YiCzk

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 22, 2019 01:11 AM (5aX2M)

432 Yes, the water was very shallow. Again, I doubt the windows were up anyway.
Posted by: mnw at July 22, 2019 01:03 AM (Cssks)

The photo of the car being winched out of the water shows the driver's window down, and the left rear window up. I don't know if the car was air-conditioned, or not. Kennedy might have rolled to driver's window down to escape the car.

IIRC, the car was found, barely submerged, in a nose-down attitude. Front window, open or closed, would make little difference to the persistence of an air bubble in the rear roof area.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2019 01:15 AM (abNpZ)

433 "Thanks for the tip!"

You betcha. Good luck!

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at July 22, 2019 01:16 AM (7s3Gx)

434 Of course, it's entirely possible that Mary Jo was murdered, and the car wreck was just a ruse to make it seem like an accident.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2019 01:20 AM (abNpZ)

435 No way Mary Jo wasn't reggers.


None.

Posted by: garrett at July 22, 2019 01:26 AM (yE4ie)

436 Cool primary source from just after Stalin's death (CIA):


That is fascinating. It doesn't read like written by committee, it reads like I'm the one guy who's been paying attention to the this for a long time and you might want to listen to me now.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 22, 2019 01:26 AM (fuK7c)

437 Late.

Gnite.



zzz

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for a story at July 22, 2019 01:26 AM (Q1QrS)

438 Saw this thing about Wokies "attacking masculinity".

However, I'm considering that masculinity is simply a mindset that promotes the realization that there will be opposition in this world and "manning up" (preparing for it).

That seems to be the quintessential reality of masculinity. And it also explains why progs are against it. Having exiled themselves from the ultimate Deus ex Machina, their only paradise is the human-caused cessation of all human conflict. So, the masculine variety seems out of step with the "hope for the best" variety. We'll just think of some way to get mankind to live with all the rest of mankind and masculinity will be as outdated as John the Savage.

In standard wish-fulfillment motif of progressivism, they convince themselves that solutions are already underway and so masculinity is already outdated.

This, I find, is also why they can't take a realistic look at the success rate of Marxist revolutions and must keep the faith that this time is different.

Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 01:38 AM (Eicbe)

439 Of course, it's entirely possible that Mary Jo was murdered, and the car wreck was just a ruse to make it seem like an accident.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2019 01:20 AM (abNpZ)
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That does not seem plausible unless it was a failed murder attempt. I think they found indications that MJ was alive for hours after the wreck.

Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 01:41 AM (Eicbe)

440
I thought they already had one of those about 20 years ago. It made suggestions and Congress said no.

Grace Commission maybe?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 11:27 PM (aKsyK)

BRAC (Base Realignment and Closure) Commission. There have been ~3 of them, IIRC. The last one appears to have emptied Crystal City. Which Amazon is now planning to take over.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 22, 2019 01:44 AM (MwFQu)

441 439 Of course, it's entirely possible that Mary Jo was murdered, and the car wreck was just a ruse to make it seem like an accident.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2019 01:20 AM (abNpZ)
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That does not seem plausible unless it was a failed murder attempt. I think they found indications that MJ was alive for hours after the wreck.
Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 01:41 AM (Eicbe)

Allegedly, there were scratches where she tried to get out of the car before the air gave out.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 22, 2019 01:45 AM (MwFQu)

442 MSN Headline right now.

Trump's Chopper has flaws.

Talking about the new Presidential Helicopter, because they so want our enemies to know what weaknesses it has.

ANYTHING to be Trump negative..

Posted by: Don Q. at July 22, 2019 01:46 AM (NgKpN)

443 That does not seem plausible unless it was a failed murder attempt. I think they found indications that MJ was alive for hours after the wreck.
Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 01:41 AM (Eicbe)

He could have knocked her over the head, which could be explained away by the busted windshield, and expected her to drown without regaining consciousness. But the cold water revived her, but still not in her right mind, explaining her futile attempts to escape the car, which was not in deep, deep water.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2019 01:47 AM (abNpZ)

444 42 Trump converts, runs for Pope:
(...)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 10:15 PM (Wx/+I)

What would his papal name be?
Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 10:16 PM (t+qrx)


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Pope Innocent XIV

Posted by: Publius Redux at July 22, 2019 01:49 AM (YnqG2)

445 Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 01:38 AM (Eicbe)

Simpler premise.

They know they can never make the American Man a slave to the Government.

Which is why they want to destroy the meaning and basis of both America, and Manhood.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 22, 2019 01:49 AM (NgKpN)

446
Say what? We have green arrows, no yellow or red. Where I actually live, throw the book away. Just don't hit farm equipment or Amish buggies, everything else goes.
Posted by: Evasiveboat42 at July 22, 2019 12:53 AM (Rz2Nc)

Flashing yellow arrows are a new innovation. I've only seen them for the last 18-24 months or so.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 22, 2019 01:50 AM (MwFQu)

447 444 42 Trump converts, runs for Pope:
(...)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 21, 2019 10:15 PM (Wx/+I)

What would his papal name be?
Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 10:16 PM (t+qrx)


****
Pope Innocent XIV
Posted by: Publius Redux at July 22, 2019 01:49 AM (YnqG2)

And if Trump took over the mafia???

He'd be Don Don!

Posted by: Don Q. at July 22, 2019 01:50 AM (NgKpN)

448 Allegedly, there were scratches where she tried to get out of the car before the air gave out.
Posted by: Fox2! at July 22, 2019 01:45 AM (MwFQu)
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That's what I remembered reading.

How the blews can be so concerned about vague suspicions of Trump's "crimes" and still can't muster up much concern about a possible, motivated murder--or abandonment--just points up their special case psychology. How they can put section off any part of their mind and keep themselves from actual comparisons of like to like.

And also, they invent new "similarities" every day.

Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 01:52 AM (Eicbe)

449 That does not seem plausible unless it was a failed murder attempt. I think they found indications that MJ was alive for hours after the wreck.
Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 01:41 AM (Eicbe)

______

She suffocated. Long, slow, painful death. She had lost all of her finger nails scratching the roof of the car trying to get out according to the autopsy report.

Posted by: Kurt Eichenwald at July 22, 2019 01:54 AM (flINI)

450 Sock fail

Posted by: Truck Monkey at July 22, 2019 01:55 AM (flINI)

451 But there will probably never come a time when a B.A. in underwater basket weaving or lesbian Eskimo poetry will land you a hundred thousand dollar per year job, either.

A minor in Vogon poetry is almost required.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 22, 2019 01:55 AM (MwFQu)

452 Mindful @ 430

You are very insightful always appreciate your thoughts. Be well you are rocking it. There are many good folks here and we all have our quirks. The most interesting group I've ever run across on the net. An intelligent bunch of lunatics.

Posted by: Farmer posting from stupid smartphone at July 22, 2019 01:59 AM (3qoAC)

453 They know they can never make the American Man a slave to the Government.

Which is why they want to destroy the meaning and basis of both America, and Manhood.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 22, 2019 01:49 AM (NgKpN)
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The problem I find with that simplification is that if you depict them as wanting to make Man a slave to the government, you have lost them right there.

I can't find in any of their rhetoric the direct implication that they want to make Man a "slave" to the government. They deny so many things about themselves, that of course, if their literature doesn't even touch on it, they are going to outright deny that they want anything like that.

So my emphasis is always on their motivation to delude themselves. What they do is wish heavily that scarcity would become antiquated, that opposition would fade, and in their mind, they want to believe that that progress is already underway. And that people who reserve skepticism are part of the problem.

So they create dogma that must be observed, that must be accepted, that they demand that you not resist.

Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 02:00 AM (Eicbe)

454 Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 02:00 AM (Eicbe)

Except that every single thing they want to force on us, is through government power.

They don't say it, yet its true.

Green new deal? Single Payer Health Care? Socialism? Higher income Tax?

They wish to use the power of Government, ie the power of the GUN, to force us to belong to the State.

And when your labor is owned by the State, you are a Slave to the State. When you have no Freedom? You are a Slave.

Hell, they even want to control what F'n BATHROOM we use.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 22, 2019 02:06 AM (NgKpN)

455 Chavez if you are around how is it going with the power situation? My dad is up that way he lost power last night didn't get it restored until this afternoon and he was surprised at that. A lot of people were out of power around Stevens point.

Deadhead a tree go down right behind his house and took the power out. F u the smartphone that's dad. He was surprised that the power is restored as fast as it was. Considering there were thousands out. Hope all is well with you Chavez.

Posted by: Farmer posting from stupid smartphone at July 22, 2019 02:11 AM (3qoAC)

456 Hell, they even want to control what F'n BATHROOM we use.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 22, 2019 02:06 AM (NgKpN)
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Yeah, but if you like your bathroom, you can keep your bathroom. They are not trying to control what bathroom you can use.

They only point out that the traditional division of bathrooms discriminates against people who feel alien to the bathroom to which they have been assigned. And in the end, there are not enough bathrooms for all the genders--and as a result, bathroom division by sex is probably superfluous (and discriminatory!) anyway.

So, practically, they want to control what bathroom you use. But they don't want to change what bathroom you use in the immediate sense, just in the eventual sense.

Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 02:11 AM (Eicbe)

457 So, practically, they want to control what bathroom you use. But they don't want to change what bathroom you use in the immediate sense, just in the eventual sense.
Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 02:11 AM (Eicbe)

Sorry, unlike the proverbial Frog, I can feel the water getting hotter.

Once they said it was OK for Guys with a Penis, to use the same restroom as my Daughter, they jumped the shark.

Once upon a time the South thought that it was in Blacks Best interest to be slaves, because they could not be trusted to make their own decisions.

The same mindset is now put forth by the Left, about us Deplorables.

Luckily, unlike the Blacks of the South, we are armed.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 22, 2019 02:18 AM (NgKpN)

458 CNN...Ted Kennedy, a life of character and nobility nearly cut short by a drunken whore!
Her panties discarded as often the case in her short life, Mary Jo took the wheel of a 6,000 lb. killing machine as a young and fragile Senator lay sleeping in a prone position in the back seat, a victim of a crab cake that was improperly stored in the afternoon heat. Even as she crashed the vehicle off the bridge into the raging waters in a drunken state, Ted fought valiantly to save her life. Repeatedly calling his attorneys from a safe location, he was able to retain a portion of her reputation to allow a proper burial, and demanded that all criminal and civil charges be dismissed against her estate...Camelot...indeed!

Posted by: Tentotwo at July 22, 2019 02:31 AM (yhf6w)

459 Sorry, unlike the proverbial Frog, I can feel the water getting hotter.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 22, 2019 02:18 AM (NgKpN)
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Oh, I totally believe you can. And I wouldn't say that you should change that. I'm only describing why in my process simpler is not necessarily better.

Because I want to isolate the proggs as they express themselves verbally vs. how they eventually express themselves as a will.

It's roughly the same thing as when they call me a Nazi or a fascist yet I have none of the absolutism for the State that was characteristic of every fascist movement. They would tell me that they judge me from my actions, however, my lack of similarity in rhetoric would speak to my lack of legitimacy as a fascist, because fascism had an ideology of State Power for the practical use of the good of the majority. What spread between Italy to Germany was the ideology of a "ruthless" state "for the Good of a people".

But it's the belief that the unleashed State must be unhinged to "serve the people" that is precisely what makes fascism fascism. This has more in common with Abolishing the Electoral College as an impediment to the "Voice of the People" than it does the opposite.

Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 02:31 AM (Eicbe)

460 Repeatedly calling his attorneys from a safe location, he was able to retain a portion of her reputation to allow a proper burial, and demanded that all criminal and civil charges be dismissed against her estate...Camelot...indeed!
Posted by: Tentotwo at July 22, 2019 02:31 AM (yhf6w)

LOL!

A good way to end the evening. Night, Horde.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 22, 2019 02:37 AM (abNpZ)

461 In fact, I'm reading over at First Things this treatment of a lady who wrote a book talking about how we should, in "gestational communism" get rid of the (unfair) biological ties between parents and offspring. (It's not fair for people to prefer the success of their offspring over others'.)

Now immediately some people try to ask whether she is a random hack that the traditionals are making too much of. However, I believe that traditionals are probably right to be wary of "cutting edge thought" that could become the operational theory of the power elite, and we have to be vigilant about any further elaboration of social theories that could become operational.

Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 02:37 AM (Eicbe)

462
Posted by: Tentotwo at July 22, 2019 02:31 AM (yhf6w)

=====

That and Pope Trump. Morons are on a roll tonight.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 22, 2019 02:39 AM (13CQC)

463 So, practically, they want to control what bathroom you use. But they don't want to change what bathroom you use in the immediate sense, just in the eventual sense.

Posted by: Axeman at July 22, 2019 02:11 AM (Eicbe)
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Fuck them: Ima piss and shit outside from now on and be a protected class like the vagrants.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 22, 2019 02:43 AM (0yjx7)

464 Red at 463 you crack me up. I just like your attitude kind of like mine be well good friend.

Posted by: Farmer posting from stupid smartphone at July 22, 2019 02:55 AM (AefdV)

465 Red at 463 you crack me up. I just like your attitude kind of like mine be well good friend.

Posted by: Farmer posting from stupid smartphone at July 22, 2019 02:55 AM (AefdV)
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and i owe you some e-mails...

shit's fucked up here.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 22, 2019 03:36 AM (0yjx7)

466 It's that time again

Posted by: Skip at July 22, 2019 04:02 AM (BbGew)

Gun Thread: Bring Lots of Ammo! [Weasel]

mp5k - scaled.jpg
Heckler & Koch MP5K

Q: What's better than owning your very own submachine gun?
A: Having a friend who owns submachine guns!!

HAHAHA! Boy, do I crack myself up!

This fun little rascal is a Heckler & Koch MP5K. In case you lost count in the video above, that was a 30 round 9mm magazine dump in about two seconds. And contrary to popular belief, the NRA doesn't sell these in the parking lot of gun shows without background checks. Sorry to disappoint you. A little bit of paperwork, mucho dinero and quite a bit of time spent waiting for tax stamps are required to own one. I'm pretty sure you have to use your real name and everything!

Anyhoo - my primary shooting buddy, who has always been very considerate of my shooting needs, has two MP5's, an Uzi and an M-16, and we have a great ol' time on the machine gun range at the farm with them. It's very relaxing with birds chirping, a summer breeze blowing, and the sound of fully-automatic weapons fire. The H&K is an extremely nice weapon; very solidly built and with some tuning (this one had to be slowed down a little), runs perfectly as you can see. The K model has a rate of fire around 800 rounds per minute, so you do tend to go through ammo quickly. You may also notice it's very compact with a folding stock and a barrel that's maybe 5 inches long. The day the video was shot we were plinking steel at about 50 yards, and in full-auto it did a great job of covering the target.

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In last week's Gun Thread I linked to a couple of National gun rights lobbying organizations (NRA-ILA and GOA) and was reminded by a few commenters I had not mentioned one specifically in Virginia; the Virginia Citizens Defense League, or VCDL . If you have a particular state organization you feel is doing good work, send me an email with a link to their website and a brief note on why you feel they're doing a good job. Please also include your state name in the subject line of the email, and we'll feature a few. Sound bueno?

*******

It's about a thousand degrees across much of the country which has most sensible people looking for ways to stay cool. Rifle ranges aren't very shady places and I've spent many a hot day on the line shooting, or worse, taking my turn in the pits scoring targets. Heat and humidity can affect your performance, so I always did everything I could to stay as cool and hydrated as possible. One of my favorite places to shoot is near Phoenix where the heat and dry air can suck the life right out of you, and back on the east coast, it's almost impossible to stay cool due to the summer humidity. Plenty of water and sun screen are key, and a hat with a wide brim will help a lot too. Our team would use a pop-up canopy tent which offered a little protection from the sun but other than that, what can you do? Any tips for staying cool?

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Texas MoMe Rifle Clinic
I don't have to tell anyone who has been to a Texas MoMe how great they are. Food, drink, prizes and nothing but Morons as far as the eye can see! Not to mention Ben Had's world class hospitality. Bigly fun! This year, the festivities will cover two days, October 18th and 19th, and if you're interested in being one of the cool kids, then be sure to drop Ben Had a line for details.

Oh, did I not mention shooting? Did I not mention the shooting thing at the Texas MoMe?

No Texas MoMe would be complete without shooting. There will be a range set up for handguns, rifles and shotguns both days, and this year there will be a separate rifle clinic on Friday (18th) for those interested in learning about shooting at longer distances. Our pal Jim - Sunk New Dawn will be the supervising adult and co-instructor, so you may actually learn something. The idea is to cover the basics of gear, shooting positions and natural point of aim, ballistics and wind reading, as well as the concepts of working together as a shooter and spotter to a small group of about eight in a 'classroom' setting. After lunch, we'll pair up and spend the rest of the time working on steel targets at about 600 yards.

If you're interested, first get in touch with Ben Had about attending the MoMe, and once you're confirmed for that then send me an email regarding the rifle clinic. Participants will need to bring a scoped rifle in .308 or 5.56 as well as a few other basic items of gear and ammo. If you're a TXMoMe veteran and have already let Ben know you're planning to attend, then claim your rifle clinic spot now and I'll be in touch with specifics.

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Please note the new and improved gmail account morongunthread at gmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

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1 Lock and load

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 07:01 PM (BbGew)

2 !

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:02 PM (i6sQg)

3 Isn't "bring lots of ammo" redundant?

Posted by: Roy at July 21, 2019 07:02 PM (ABjxW)

4 Corgis dutifully summoned, not that the smell of gun powder doesn't draw them in.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 07:03 PM (BbGew)

5 An full auto MP5 is my dream gun.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 07:04 PM (NWiLs)

6 5 An full auto MP5 is my dream gun.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019

What suppressor do I put on it this morning? Thats my problem.

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at July 21, 2019 07:05 PM (bgJ0E)

7 ( calculating how long a road trip to Texas would be)

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 07:05 PM (BbGew)

8 Was hoping for the H&K slap.

Was a little bit disappointed.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 07:06 PM (t+qrx)

9 I've decided I need a SIG P365. They are finally showing up at dealers around here. I suppose I should shoot one first.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 07:06 PM (k3g2v)

10 I would rather have a BAR

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 07:06 PM (BbGew)

11 6 5 An full auto MP5 is my dream gun.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019

What suppressor do I put on it this morning? Thats my problem.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at July 21, 2019 07:05 PM (bgJ0E)

I hate you so much right now.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 07:06 PM (NWiLs)

12 CCI has a subsonic .22lr that is supposed to work well in semi-auto. I guess the new quiet one is an upgrade.

Posted by: Roy at July 21, 2019 07:07 PM (ABjxW)

13 Damn, Skippy! The corn on the cob butter on my fingers made my screen all greasy and cost me a First on the Gun Thread!

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:08 PM (i6sQg)

14 I hate you so much right now.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 07:06

My work here is done. And I was given a 1000 rds of PMC 9mm on Fridy from a "scource".

Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at July 21, 2019 07:08 PM (bgJ0E)

15 I want in on the rifle clinic but:

1) I've only ever shot one the one time you guide me through it.

2) I don't own a rifle...

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:09 PM (UUBmN)

16 Was hoping for the H&K slap.

Was a little bit disappointed.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 07:06 PM (t+qrx)
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Next time!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:09 PM (MVjcR)

17 Nice!

Posted by: G marks the spot at July 21, 2019 07:10 PM (OL7xG)

18 Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:09 PM (UUBmN)
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We might be able to come up with a spare gun. I'm thinking about bringing one of my match rifles for funsies.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:11 PM (MVjcR)

19 I have MP5 envy.

Honestly...the various semi auto 9mm and 45 carbines are fine, I don't need to spend the money on a real or copied MP5.....but I still want one.

I like my full auto noisemakers to have a low cyclical rate, tho.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:11 PM (xJa6I)

20 What time are you starting on Friday?

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:13 PM (UUBmN)

21 Haven't fired auto since Uncle was paying. But now that 5.56 is down around $0.27/round, I could probably afford one mag dump on my SS stipend.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:13 PM (i6sQg)

22
I like my full auto noisemakers to have a low cyclical rate, tho.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:11 PM (xJa6I)
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Get an Uzi. It's slow compared to the MP5.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

23 Just don't join the John Brown Gun Club.

Antifa, or in other words they want their group to have guns, so they can take ours away from us.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 07:14 PM (NgKpN)

24 20 What time are you starting on Friday?

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:13 PM (UUBmN)

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Would like people there by 8:30 or so.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:14 PM (MVjcR)

25 Short range report:

Took my SIG P320 with the Romeo 1 red dot. I adjusted the optic and put in new battery and...damn if it didn't work. I mean, really work.

Red dots make for very consistent hits, since you don't have to align front and rear sights. So long as I don't flinch or fuck up the trigger press, the bullets all go pretty much in the same location.

Also shot some mozambique and slow fire drills with the CZ P07 .22 Kadet adapter. Admirable and fun. What's not fun, using that stupid Federal HV match with continued it's streak of fucking up the show. The CCI MiniMags were flawless.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:15 PM (xJa6I)

26 A Sten type to take pistol ammunition!

Posted by: andycanuck at July 21, 2019 07:16 PM (Dh1wo)

27 Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:13 PM (MVjcR)

Select Fire M-14s.

Pain to clean, but we carried them on Boarding Ops because the rounds would go clear through a Merchant Ships bulkhead.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 07:16 PM (NgKpN)

28 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:15 PM (xJa6I)
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Nice!
That's an Aimpoint red dot on the H&K.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

29 ...I like my full auto noisemakers to have a low cyclical rate, tho.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:11 PM (xJa6I)



Might I suggest a 40mm Bofors Gun, sire?

*hoists four-round en-block clip into place in feed chute*

..... well, a Moron can dream, eh?



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 07:17 PM (QzJWU)

30 I've never owned a full auto rifle, and only fired one a couple of times. I've always wondered whether there's ever a situation where full-auto is better than three-round burst... it seems like maybe if you were in real close quarters with one or two guys, it would be pretty awesome, but I don't think I'd want to dump ammo that fast if I thought there might be another person to deal with or if I were in a space bigger than an apartment. A small apartment.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 07:17 PM (3NbUO)

31 the world bencherest championships were held in alberta and just saw the u.s. win 2 gold and a silver.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 07:18 PM (Pg+x7)

32 Ever had someone hold an MP5 on you? It's an uncomfortable feeling.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2019 07:19 PM (xSo9G)

33 Well, put me down for the rifle clinic for now.

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:19 PM (UUBmN)

34 I like my full auto noisemakers to have a low cyclical rate, tho.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:11 PM (xJa6I)


Oerlikon 20mm? We almost had one at the trap range for the June MIMoMe, but then we remembered that none of us own one and have no way to obtain one and each shell is a $200 DD stamp by itself.

But almost!

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 07:19 PM (t+qrx)

35 29 ...I like my full auto noisemakers to have a low cyclical rate, tho.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:11 PM (xJa6I)


Might I suggest a 40mm Bofors Gun, sire?

*hoists four-round en-block clip into place in feed chute*

..... well, a Moron can dream, eh?



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 07:17 PM (QzJWU)

Ohhhhh yes.

40mm Bofors would be awesome.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:19 PM (xJa6I)

36 I've never owned a full auto rifle, and only fired one a couple of times. I've always wondered whether there's ever a situation where full-auto is better than three-round burst... it seems like maybe if you were in real close quarters with one or two guys, it would be pretty awesome, but I don't think I'd want to dump ammo that fast if I thought there might be another person to deal with or if I were in a space bigger than an apartment. A small apartment.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 07:17 PM (3NbUO)
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It may be hard to tell in the photo, but the selector has a 3 round burst position, too. The full-auto is just fun once in a while!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

37 Oerlikon 20mm? We almost had one at the trap range for the June MIMoMe, but then we remembered that none of us own one and have no way to obtain one and each shell is a $200 DD stamp by itself.

But almost!
Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 07:19 PM (t+qrx)


So close!

Posted by: DR.WTF at July 21, 2019 07:20 PM (aS1PU)

38 Ugly as hell but I'd like a Kriss .45 sub . No sense in having a semi auto as ugly as it is . Defeats the entire purpose of its design in a semi.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 07:21 PM (2DOZq)

39 33 Well, put me down for the rifle clinic for now.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:19 PM (UUBmN)

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Same here, for Ex-Ex and I.

Posted by: SMH at July 21, 2019 07:21 PM (RU4sa)

40 Here's something new around Casa928: my Galil kit gun.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmFm3TKp

I need a press to finish it. It could actually fire single right now, headspace is good, but the gas block isn't on nor the port drilled. Not to mention the mag catch not being riveted on.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 07:21 PM (yQpMk)

41 Well, put me down for the rifle clinic for now.

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:19 PM (UUBmN)
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OK - do me a favor and send me a quick note so I remember to add you to the list.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:21 PM (MVjcR)

42 Might be old news to you gun nuts (j/k), but some moron earlier in the week linked to a YouTube video entitled "CIVIL WAR 2 in America - WHO WOULD WIN? In-Depth Analysis" by John Mark. He's advocating for a national divorce instead, believing that a hot civil war is inevitable once the right eventually (owing to continued, unabated illegal and legal immigration) loses the ability to win national elections and is forced to submit to Commie SJW rule.


https://tinyurl.com/y6h3bqvb


Anyway, just finished it -- it was a decent 50-minute overview and provided a little additional food for thought. The first/top comment pretty much sums up the likely result: "One side has millions of guns and military veterans, the other doesn't know which bathroom to use."

Posted by: ShainS -- There are but two Parties now: Traitors and Patriots at July 21, 2019 07:21 PM (WqPYg)

43 28 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:15 PM (xJa6I)
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Nice!
That's an Aimpoint red dot on the H&K.
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

Aimpoints are Quality.

I got the Romeo 1 factory mounted and the whole kit on sale at Cabelas.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:22 PM (xJa6I)

44 36 I've never owned a full auto rifle, and only fired one a couple of times. I've always wondered whether there's ever a situation where full-auto is better than three-round burst... it seems like maybe if you were in real close quarters with one or two guys, it would be pretty awesome, but I don't think I'd want to dump ammo that fast if I thought there might be another person to deal with or if I were in a space bigger than an apartment. A small apartment.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 07:17 PM (3NbUO)
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It may be hard to tell in the photo, but the selector has a 3 round burst position, too. The full-auto is just fun once in a while!
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

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Yes.

Yes it is.

Posted by: SMH at July 21, 2019 07:22 PM (RU4sa)

45 Same here, for Ex-Ex and I.

Posted by: SMH at July 21, 2019 07:21 PM (RU4sa)
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email me when you have a minute. thx.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:22 PM (MVjcR)

46 Range Report (if "range" includes 100 yards of my side lot).
.22 Day! I had seen a post at WRSA about shooting "varmints" in the head at 300-400 yds with a suppressed .22. I don't "yet" have a can, but I wanted to know more about .22 ballistics.
So, even thought it was 91 and humid in Siberian NH, I made myself shoot my three .22s at 25, 50 and 100 yds.
I had also just installed a 20 MOA ramp on my 10-.22, so it was a good excuse to shoot.
It took a lot longer than I anticipated, but I developed a nice notebook on how they did with CCI MiniMag. Short answer- how can you hit anything with a .22 at 400 yds is beyond me.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:22 PM (i6sQg)

47 Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:20 PM (MVjcR)

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Yeah, and for 3rd burst, the higher rate of fire, the better for the obvious reasons. I'm guessing it was probably designed for that as the primary use, at 15/sec. Fast!

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 07:23 PM (3NbUO)

48 lin-duh and SMN, I've put you on the list in case Weasel should forget.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (HG3Kb)

49 Any chance you can bring your friend along to the MoMee, Weasel?

Never fired a MP5 before...

Posted by: SMH at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (RU4sa)

50 A friend has a bunch of full auto weapons. BAR, Sten, MP-40, Grease gun, Tommy Guns, and more. That BAR makes you feel like Rambo, but the Sten is so fun. I'd like to have two, one for each hand.

Posted by: freaked at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (UdKB7)

51 Thanks Ben Had!

Posted by: SMH at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (RU4sa)

52 H & K is always about quality......they just do things right. Not for everyone but man do they do it right.

Nice video Weasel!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (Z+IKu)

53 OK - do me a favor and send me a quick note so I remember to add you to the list.
Posted by: Weasel
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Done

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (UUBmN)

54 Three settings... pew; pew-pew; and pew-pew-pew!

Posted by: andycanuck at July 21, 2019 07:25 PM (Dh1wo)

55 Love the beard, Weasel!

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 21, 2019 07:25 PM (1FhAQ)

56 If that British tanker had a Bofor it might be sailing on its way right now.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 07:26 PM (BbGew)

57 Any chance you can bring your friend along to the MoMee, Weasel?

Never fired a MP5 before...

Posted by: SMH at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (RU4sa)
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I'll ask him! He's a really good guy and would fit right in. Not sure if he'd bring the MP5 though - handing it over to the baggage people would give him a heart attack.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:26 PM (MVjcR)

58 lin-duh- does hubby want to be your spotter?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 07:27 PM (HG3Kb)

59 I'm looking at a Springfield Armory 1911. MIL Spec. .45 ACP. Y'all have any feedback?

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:27 PM (UU59y)

60 Full auto shotguns are better.

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 21, 2019 07:27 PM (2DOZq)

61 48 lin-duh and SMN, I've put you on the list in case Weasel should forget.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (HG3Kb)
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But please send me an email so I can send you a list of stuff to bring.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:28 PM (MVjcR)

62 Benchrest world championship link in my sock. Warning... alot of pics so slow-loading at least on my tablet.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 21, 2019 07:28 PM (Dh1wo)

63 59 I'm looking at a Springfield Armory 1911. MIL Spec. .45 ACP. Y'all have any feedback?
Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:27 PM (UU59y)

The sights on the Milspec aren't great. On the whole, Springfield Armory 1911's are good, though. I've owned two.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:28 PM (xJa6I)

64 Love the beard, Weasel!

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 21, 2019 07:25 PM (1FhAQ)
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Thanks! I'm thinking of putting rubber bands and paperclips in it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

65 Might I suggest a 40mm Bofors Gun, sire?

*hoists four-round en-block clip into place in feed chute*

..... well, a Moron can dream, eh?



Jim
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Can't speak to the 40mm Bofors, but I looked over one of these pretty carefully two weeks ago, as I mentioned here. It wasn't for sale...

http://tinyurl.com/y5x2vpj7

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2019 07:29 PM (xSo9G)

66 Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:27 PM (UU59y)

Though it looks like the new model GI model has new sights! So good! If you like the arched mainspring housing, go for it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 07:29 PM (xJa6I)

67 Thanks Mark.

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:30 PM (UU59y)

68
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 21, 2019 07:30 PM (KCxzN)

69 ...I've never owned a full auto rifle, and only fired one a couple of times. I've always wondered whether there's ever a situation where full-auto is better than three-round burst... it seems like maybe if you were in real close quarters with one or two guys, it would be pretty awesome, but I don't think I'd want to dump ammo that fast if I thought there might be another person to deal with or if I were in a space bigger than an apartment. A small apartment.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 07:17 PM (3NbUO)



In the MP-5 class of submachine gun, effective full auto fire is a distinct function of proper training, and that especially in team or squad tactics, emphasizing the "when and how" a fun-gun is employed.

The better the training, the more effective the full auto function. And the guys who *have* that training will astonish you with how much they're NOT "spray n' pray". They can engage and hit their targets damn near as well as you or I in semi-auto fire.

Uncle Sam pickin' up the tab for all that training, of cour$e.

Get into the bipod supported, belt fed Medium Machine Gun, and now you're getting into the theory of "beaten-zone" sustained fire, and/or sustained suppressive fire, in order to let your fire team move into superior positions.

And when you get up into Ma-Deuce territory, crew-served Heavy Machine Guns, well, now you're nudging up damn near to light artillery in fire effectiveness. This gets you up above "anti-personnel", and clean into "anti-materiel" fire options.

The .50 M-2 will absolutely convert most known "cover" into flimsy concealment. It'll turn a cinder-block wall into concrete shrapnel, multiplying the effect of each round several times over.

Myself, if I found myself in full Escape & Evasion mode... I'll take a nice, suppressed .22 lr. boltie, and (quietly) take my chances.

Horses for Courses, as they say.

Full auto is HUGE fun, any way you cut it. But unlike Hollywood, it's a high-knowledge, high-skill endeavor to derive it's full effect.

Fun though. Lots n' lots of fun!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 07:31 PM (QzJWU)

70 I'm looking at a Springfield Armory 1911. MIL Spec. .45 ACP. Y'all have any feedback?
Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:27 PM (UU59y)

Muad'dib, I've got one of those. Great basic 1911. Has the basic metal forged sights, so it's not going to any matches. But we had our guys using them for about 70 years and they seemed to do ok. And it's a frickin' 1911!

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:31 PM (i6sQg)

71
I'm looking at a Springfield Armory 1911. MIL Spec. .45 ACP. Y'all have any feedback?

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:27 PM


buy it

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 21, 2019 07:31 PM (KCxzN)

72 NZ Frank - Finished the Upham book. Hell of a guy.

I was appalled to learn that his VC(s) were stolen. Good that they were recovered, but the person or people stealing them should have been taken out and shot. I expect that finding folk to do that would have been easy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2019 07:32 PM (xSo9G)

73 OT: Natalie Portman is playing female Thor in next Marvel Thor movie.

Posted by: some asshole at July 21, 2019 07:33 PM (ym5eo)

74 25...
Red Dots are so much easier to use than irons. I recently installed a Sig Romeo 5 on my Daniel Defense AR, and finally had a chance to sight it in today. Ten rounds later, and I was shooting 11/4" to 3/4" groups at 50 yards, and that was with Silver Bear ammo. Not exactly match fodder.

Posted by: WVinMN at July 21, 2019 07:33 PM (pV4s0)

75 64 Love the beard, Weasel!

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 21, 2019 07:25 PM (1FhAQ)
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Thanks! I'm thinking of putting rubber bands and paperclips in it.
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:29 PM (MVjcR)

BWahahaha!

Posted by: joncelli, providing the traditional responses at July 21, 2019 07:34 PM (1FhAQ)

76 Thanks Red and Alton

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:35 PM (UU59y)

77 MAE, ya beat me to it on the milspec. Still licking the butter off my corncob stained fingers.
But glad to see we're on the same page.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:36 PM (i6sQg)

78 Thanks Red and Alton

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 07:35 PM (UU59y)
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What they said!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:36 PM (MVjcR)

79 If you don't have a pickup truck you best have a good friend who has a pickup truck. Guns are the same way.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 07:36 PM (UUkQp)

80 Full auto is HUGE fun, any way you cut it. But unlike Hollywood, it's a high-knowledge, high-skill endeavor to derive it's full effect.

Fun though. Lots n' lots of fun!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

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Hooah.

Posted by: SMH at July 21, 2019 07:36 PM (RU4sa)

81 I don't know enough to tell if this is done correctly, or horribly, but it's interesting and has a cameo by the quality assurance rep (remove spaces):
https://hooktube.com/ watch?v= 86356fRR1VY

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 21, 2019 07:36 PM (0ReGO)

82
When the HELL does that Winchester Wildcat ship?

Posted by: ArthurK at July 21, 2019 07:38 PM (LvfmT)

83 Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 07:31 PM (QzJWU)

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Oh, for sure - I totally get using full-auto at range with heavier calibers for strafing and suppressing. I was just asking about SMGs and infantry rifles. I guess with beaucoups training like you're talking about, that would make a big difference. But for lil' ol' me, I think the full auto on an MP5 would be just to show off for my buddies, lol.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 07:39 PM (3NbUO)

84 Thor is trans gender? Eh, nothing surprises me from Hollywood

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 07:39 PM (BbGew)

85 Someone asked about Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network last week.
I'm a member, and have taken classes from president Marty Hayes at his Firearms Academy in WA. Massad Ayoob is on the board. Thankfully I've never needed to be defended in court for using a firearm, but they have a $2 million fund to do that for members. It's not insurance, but a self-funding group that takes care of each other.

https://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org

Posted by: Chris H at July 21, 2019 07:40 PM (L7f6N)

86 This TXMoMe thing sounds like fun, by crackee!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2019 07:41 PM (DMUuz)

87 Posted by: Chris H at July 21, 2019 07:40 PM (L7f6N)
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Thanks for posting that, Chris H!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:42 PM (MVjcR)

88 >>>OT: Natalie Portman is playing female Thor in next Marvel Thor movie.


Didn't she play Thor's love interest in the first Thor movie?

Posted by: davidt at July 21, 2019 07:43 PM (jY3BZ)

89 I wish H&K had worked the kinks out of the MP10.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2019 07:43 PM (DMUuz)

90 RI Red @ 21- I miss burning up DoD ammunition too. Those were the days and they won't be back for guys my age until the zombie apocalypse come.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 07:43 PM (UUkQp)

91 Oh, and FWIW.

Probably one of the best low-cyclic submachine guns out there, is also one of the most cheaply made, ever.

The U.S. M-3, .45 ACP "Grease Gun".

It is so very good at it's intended purpose. Ugly, non-ergonomic, (seemingly) crude.... but, it works.

And .45 ACP at 350~400 rounds per minute... that's a whole lot of hurt going downrange, 230 Copper Jacketed grains at a time.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 07:43 PM (QzJWU)

92 This TXMoMe thing sounds like fun, by crackee!
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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I wonder if someone is going to provide another "door prize" like last year....///

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:46 PM (UUBmN)

93 Ok this will be sort of a ramble:
During the .22 shoot-out, my old Mossberg 352 KA semi, vintage 1965, started to have trigger problems. As in you squeeze, the trigger and nothing happens. Then a second later it happens. No, not a hangfire.
So, needing a break from the sun, I went in, cleaned it and noticed that the trigger group was moving slightly. Never being one to let common sense interfere, I promptly disassembled the whole thing. Neglecting, of course, to take a picture of before and after.
I found that the sole mounting screw had backed off, so that was an easy fix. The harder fix was pitting it back together. No else has ever had that problem, of course. Happy ending- I figured it out, had some needed shade time and went back out.
Where I promptly turned 5 inches right into three inches high and got that scope completely FUBAR.
I love shooting.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:46 PM (i6sQg)

94 But for lil' ol' me, I think the full auto on an MP5 would be just to show off for my buddies, lol.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 21, 2019 07:39 PM (3NbUO)


FA is also for Mad Snek.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y3nfnuhq

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 07:48 PM (t+qrx)

95 We Eromero tribe plan to bring some 'beginner' stuff if any gub-curious would like and if Ben Had/Weasel/Jim SND troika say 'da'.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 07:48 PM (UUkQp)

96 I just want a mid-grade Ansley Fox in 16 gauge.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 07:49 PM (k3g2v)

97 @Jim 91: Yessir, the grease gun is a hoot to shoot.
But for history and coolness factor my dream SMG will always be the Thompson gun.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at July 21, 2019 07:50 PM (wZ9cV)

98 RI Red @ 21- I miss burning up DoD ammunition too. Those were the days and they won't be back for guys my age until the zombie apocalypse come.
Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 07:43 PM (UUkQp)

Eromero, you are right about that. Trying to shoot prone yesterday, I finally said fu** it and got a bench. How I am going to fight off the Zombies is an open question.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:50 PM (i6sQg)

99 Like a DE Grade from the mid-1920s.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 07:52 PM (k3g2v)

100 88 >>>OT: Natalie Portman is playing female Thor in next Marvel Thor movie.


Didn't she play Thor's love interest in the first Thor movie?
Posted by: davidt at July 21, 2019 07:43 PM (jY3BZ)

Girlfriend, Jane. It's a story arc from the comics before the overt SJW movement. But still....
She is so tiny.

Posted by: some asshole at July 21, 2019 07:52 PM (ym5eo)

101 MP5 is far and away my favorite gun I've ever shot.

Posted by: Sobek at July 21, 2019 07:53 PM (SNns0)

102 ...We Eromero tribe plan to bring some 'beginner' stuff if any gub-curious would like and if Ben Had/Weasel/Jim SND troika say 'da'.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 07:48 PM (UUkQp)




Do the brightly colored "darts" have soft rubber suction cups on the tips?


/snrk


Eromero, in my book, you're Good to Go with anything up to and including the aforementioned Bofors.

And if we have a number of "newbies", well, the help will be greatly appreciated.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 07:54 PM (QzJWU)

103 101 MP5 is far and away my favorite gun I've ever shot.
Posted by: Sobek at July 21, 2019 07:53 PM (SNns0)
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I have always been impressed at how solid they are. Great guns!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:55 PM (MVjcR)

104 I need a press to finish it. It could actually fire single right now, headspace is good, but the gas block isn't on nor the port drilled. Not to mention the mag catch not being riveted on.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 07:21 PM (yQpMk)
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get thee to China Freight!

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 21, 2019 07:56 PM (MasTK)

105
Eromero, in my book, you're Good to Go with anything up to and including the aforementioned Bofors.

And if we have a number of "newbies", well, the help will be greatly appreciated.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 07:54 PM (QzJWU)
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Absolutely!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:56 PM (MVjcR)

106 Joey Biden doesn't take instruction very well even if it's a granddaughter:
https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/
1152787552040083456

Posted by: andycanuck at July 21, 2019 07:57 PM (Dh1wo)

107 I have two Remington shotguns. During pheasant season I shoot birds. Any other time, I'll shoot anything that threatens my home or family.

That's about the extent of my interest in guns.

Posted by: Regular joe at July 21, 2019 07:58 PM (6/uwW)

108 Would it be a major faux pas if I show up without a gun? My carbine might be able to do 600yd, but I doubt I could. TX has reciprocity with MI, but I'm just planning on going from the airport to the MoMe and back, and I can't bring ammo on the plane. If I carry, I'll have to buy ammo in Dallas and then get rid of it before I board again. Besides, I don't think I have anything exciting that wouldn't already be there.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 07:58 PM (t+qrx)

109 Ok, now back to our Benefactor. Weasel, what do you think about SS barrels vs. regular blued? I'm thinking about a threaded barrel for my eventual can on the 10-22.
I'm also reading about barrel length. Some say the standard 18.5" bbl is perfect, some say 16 will do, or that 20 will just slow the bullet down.
Any thoughts? What do you use in the big-boy calibers?

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:59 PM (i6sQg)

110
That's about the extent of my interest in guns.
Posted by: Regular joe at July 21, 2019 07:58 PM (6/uwW)
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Welcome to the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 07:59 PM (MVjcR)

111 Lost my shooting range and lost my paid for and approved suppressor to a local range. I was in there in early May and there were two ATF agents inventorying everything in the place. It was not looking good and I suspect the gun store lost his license and now he won't respond to my emails or phone calls.


Just went by the range the other day that has been closed for "medical" reasons for the last 15 weeks and now there is a County Tax assessor seizure warning taped to the door for failure to pay taxes. I have 5 guns on consignment there and my paid for suppressor



Going to try and talk to the ATF in Sherman next week but I am not hopeful as the number has no answering service and they never answer the phone. Even if I get a lawyer there really isn't much I can do.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 21, 2019 08:00 PM (JUOKG)

112 Years ago, a friend of a friend had us out to his farm for a "little" shooting. I didn't know it but he was a collector of fully auto guns. We were allowed to shoot whatever we wanted. Everything from a belt fed Maxim to a Lewis gun and on and on. We must had fired at least 35 separate machine and sub guns. We were there all afternoon and I have NO idea how much ammo we burned up. I found out later that this was kind of annual thing (a celebrate the harvest event). Unfortunately, we moved far away and never made it back. From a mechanical point, the Lewis gun was the coolest.

Posted by: oldgeezer at July 21, 2019 08:00 PM (Wb5vb)

113 Eromero, That is a very generous offer and it will greatly appreciated.

How's that for politikin?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 08:00 PM (HG3Kb)

114 Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 07:59 PM (i6sQg)
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All of my match barrels are plain stainless. No fluting.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:01 PM (Ws3LK)

115 Oh, have I been to the range. The week...well, it sucked, and didn't go quite the way I wanted it to go, so before I go back to the drawing board...I decided to go to one of my favorite Houston haunts: Top Gun Range. Why yes, I will shamelessly plug them. Who wants to shoot in 90 degree weather with about a 75 degree dewpoint? Not I. So I go there and shoot indoors.

I had a good day and sent close to 600 9mm rounds downrange and blew some holes in the targets, with my EDC G26, Sig P226 TacOps, and my Weapon of War, the M9. (Well, it will be a weapon of war for a little longer, at least).

One scare, though. This never happened on my Sig before. The mag fed a round into the chamber, which did not fire. The firing pin didn't even strike the casing. BUT...it was still jammed in the gun. A range safety officer was called over and he helped clear the round from the chamber. It did not happen again, but it was enough to give me pause.

All the same, a great day out on the range, and I anxiously await the next visit.

Thanks for the thread as always, Weasel.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:01 PM (/0HPZ)

116 I've never fired or even held a full auto. No doubt it's fun but I'm too cheap to blow away ammo that fast. So I will read along and get some learning about them.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 08:01 PM (bmdz3)

117 For not much sleep last night not very tired but its lights out time nevertheless.
If your up at 4am log in.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 08:02 PM (BbGew)

118 9 I've decided I need a SIG P365. They are finally showing up at dealers around here. I suppose I should shoot one first.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 07:06 PM (k3g2v)

I have fired one and was impressed.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:02 PM (/0HPZ)

119 ...Would it be a major faux pas if I show up without a gun? My carbine might be able to do 600yd, but I doubt I could. TX has reciprocity with MI, but I'm just planning on going from the airport to the MoMe and back, and I can't bring ammo on the plane. If I carry, I'll have to buy ammo in Dallas and then get rid of it before I board again. Besides, I don't think I have anything exciting that wouldn't already be there.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 07:58 PM (t+qrx)




Let us know if you have a particular "wish list" for what to shoot? Odds are, someone here owns one and can bring it for you.

I think unlike last year, this time around I'll attempt some major haulage in the hardware department, just 'cause I hear of several who will have to arrive without toys of their own.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 08:03 PM (QzJWU)

120 I wish I could go to the TX MoMee.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 08:03 PM (nDe2U)

121
Thanks for the thread as always, Weasel.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:01 PM (/0HPZ)
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My pleasure! Not sure what might have gone wrong with the Sig. Any guesses?

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

122 118 - Catch Thirty-Thr33, good to know. What did you like about it?

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 08:04 PM (k3g2v)

123 No fluting; got it. I have SS on my 10-22 and I can do 1 moa out to 100. So far.
I love .22. I spent the morning policing brass off of the porch and lawn.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:05 PM (i6sQg)

124 get thee to China Freight!


Indeed. $99 for a 12ton press until the end of the month.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 08:05 PM (yQpMk)

125 117 For not much sleep last night not very tired but its lights out time nevertheless.
If your up at 4am log in.
Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 08:02 PM
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'Night Skip!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:06 PM (MVjcR)

126 Late to the thread as always! Where is TX MoMee? When? Thankee

Posted by: AnnaS at July 21, 2019 08:06 PM (i0+aj)

127 hogmartin, you don't need to worry about bringing anything to shoot. There will be plenty of fire power for you to shoot.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 08:08 PM (HG3Kb)

128 Let us know if you have a particular "wish list" for what to shoot? Odds are, someone here owns one and can bring it for you.
Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 08:03 PM (QzJWU)


Hmm.

Well, nothing really comes to mind. Maybe some neat old milsurp, from whatever country and era. I can't think offhand of any one thing that I just have to shoot that I haven't.

I should be practicing for my duet with Ben Had anyhow.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:08 PM (t+qrx)

129 It's been too freaking hot and humid to go to the range this week. Hopefuly this coming week when things cool down. And not a moment too soon as I have some recent purchases to get used to.

To compensate, in my weird way, I've been wiping down the rifles and reading about flintlocks and colonial era long hunters.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 08:08 PM (bmdz3)

130 NZFrank you still here? I didn't get a chance to say hello and ask how things are going.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:10 PM (MVjcR)

131 AnnaS, Corsicana, TX Oct18/19

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 08:11 PM (HG3Kb)

132 And on to suppressors. Since I came out of retirement and back into lawing, I've had the opportunity to draft an NFA trust. I intend to check its efficacy with BATFE soon. It usually is a 6 month turnaround, but if it passes muster, I'll be glad to share it with the Horde. Gratis. Free. Without charge.
Well, you might have to buy me a beverage at some point.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:12 PM (i6sQg)

133 '$99 for a 12ton press until the end of the month.'

I don't know how the make them so cheap and ship them over here. Even if there was a 50 percent tarriff on it it would still be a bargain.

Posted by: freaked at July 21, 2019 08:14 PM (UdKB7)

134 132 And on to suppressors. Since I came out of retirement and back into lawing, I've had the opportunity to draft an NFA trust. I intend to check its efficacy with BATFE soon. It usually is a 6 month turnaround, but if it passes muster, I'll be glad to share it with the Horde. Gratis. Free. Without charge.
Well, you might have to buy me a beverage at some point.
Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:12 PM (i6sQg)
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RIRed - I can send you a copy of mine if that would be helpful.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:14 PM (Ws3LK)

135 122 118 - Catch Thirty-Thr33, good to know. What did you like about it?
Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 08:04 PM (k3g2v)

A compact gun like that can and should be expected to have a lot of kick - goes with the territory, per physics. I expected that issue. As an aside, I encountered that problem with the G26, but after I got extensions put on the magazines which allowed me to get my pinky around it, the handling is amazing.

The Sig P365 that I fired had no such extensions and though I would seek them out if I bought one, even without extensions, it handled well. Combine that with the fact that it is even more compact than the G26, well, you have the makings of a good EDC candidate.

I say...guns are much like shoes. You have to try on pairs of shoes to see which one works for you. If you have a range that will let you rent a P365, do so. But for the reasons I noted above, I like it.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:16 PM (/0HPZ)

136 When it's hot, it's a good time to buy ammo and sit on the porch cleaning gunz.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 21, 2019 08:17 PM (axyOa)

137 Weasel, that would be fantastic! My firm has never done one, so I was forced to do some research. Comparing mine to yours would be a great reality check.
Yes, you do have my email.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:17 PM (i6sQg)

138 Howdy all! On the downhill side of week 3 of my hitch and found out that the 10.5" 300 BLK upper arrived at the house on Friday! 10 and a wake up until I get to strap it on my pistol lower for a leisurely canoe trip to the deer lease.

Query for the Horde... it's intended to be the hog exterminator, so looking for suggestions on optics. I was thinking Athlon Talos in 3-12, illum BDC. The price is right, and I'm not looking for something to drive tacks at 300 yards. Just killing swine and not feeling too bad if it gets torn up bouncing around the lease.

Posted by: Glen the Deplorable at July 21, 2019 08:17 PM (YE85g)

139 You can all have a full auto. Just get a bump stock.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 08:17 PM (2DOZq)

140 137 Weasel, that would be fantastic! My firm has never done one, so I was forced to do some research. Comparing mine to yours would be a great reality check.
Yes, you do have my email.
Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:17 PM (i6sQg)
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Absolutely! Either later tonight or tomorrow.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:18 PM (Ws3LK)

141 Sitting at DQ for dinner and watching several idiots try to tow an old Chevrolet S10 with a tow rope attached to the rear bumper to get the S10 started. After four tries they did it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2019 08:18 PM (CUgyF)

142 AnnaS, did you just send me an email?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 08:19 PM (HG3Kb)

143 135, Catch Thirty-Thr33 - Yes, thanks, I appreciate it.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 08:20 PM (k3g2v)

144 I got my gun trust from https://thetrustshop.net

As I've been waiting over 9 months for approval of my first trust nfa stamp,I yet can't swear to their efficacy.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 08:20 PM (yQpMk)

145 And still on the suppressor question, NZFrank, or anyone else with experience, what have you found re accuracy effects?

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:20 PM (i6sQg)

146 My pleasure! Not sure what might have gone wrong with the Sig. Any guesses?
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:04 PM (MVjcR)

I'm still not sure. Could it be possible that the round was manufactured just - JUST - too short a length for the firing pin to reach the casing?

The RSO and I looked at the dud and noted that right away. The round looked like it just came out of the box. I've had rounds not fire where the pin struck the casing, but for whatever reason, the powder settled or something else happened which caused the round to not fire. Not here.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:21 PM (/0HPZ)

147 Grump, let us know when it happens. More data for the Horde. Thx.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:22 PM (i6sQg)

148 For those in TX: what do y'all think of the TSRA (Texas State Rifle Association)? Yea or nay?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:24 PM (/0HPZ)

149 135, Catch Thirty-Thr33 - thanks, much appreciated.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 08:25 PM (k3g2v)

150 The Machine Pistolen-5 Kurz would go through my 9mm stash in 30 seconds. Guess need more.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2019 08:25 PM (CUgyF)

151 150 The Machine Pistolen-5 Kurz would go through my 9mm stash in 30 seconds. Guess need more.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2019 08:25 PM (CUgyF)

You need more.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 08:26 PM (xJa6I)

152 148 For those in TX: what do y'all think of the TSRA (Texas State Rifle Association)? Yea or nay?

I'm a member, but I only joined to get my Garand from the CMP. It seems like they do some good work in the legislature, and are good at keeping you informed if pending legislation.

Posted by: Glen the Deplorable at July 21, 2019 08:27 PM (YE85g)

153 Muad'dib, If looking for a GI style 1911, also check out the Rock Island GI 45 auto. Nothing against Springfield but the Rock Island has performed flawlessly for me so far and it's much less expensive.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 08:27 PM (bmdz3)

154 151 150 The Machine Pistolen-5 Kurz would go through my 9mm stash in 30 seconds. Guess need more.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2019 08:25 PM (CUgyF)

You need more.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at July 21, 2019 08:26 PM (xJa6I)

9 mm is almost as cheap as .22 today. I was prepping some brass today and wondering why I was bothering. Other than the fact that I paid for my components a long time ago.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:28 PM (i6sQg)

155 108 "...and I can't bring ammo on the plane."

Really? You can bring up to 11 pounds of ammo, so long as the ammo isn't loose. I have filled up my magazines for travel with my guns (and I wind up traveling back empty, except for my self-defense magazines which I always travel with). I get some dirty looks from the agents at the check in counter, but so long as I am within regulations, screw em.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:28 PM (/0HPZ)

156 Fox2 to the Barrel

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2019 08:28 PM (CUgyF)

157 Catch Thirty-Thr33 @ 148- TSRA is a good organization. Life Member a long while.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 08:28 PM (UUkQp)

158 Weasel, that would be fantastic! My firm has never done one, so I was forced to do some research. Comparing mine to yours would be a great reality check.
Yes, you do have my email.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:17 PM (i6sQg)
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RI Red - check your email.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:30 PM (MVjcR)

159
lulz: Democrats stop calling President Trump a "racist" because it means nothing...so they start saying President Trump is, get this, "worse than a racist."

I shit you not.

Worse. Than. A Racist. is now a fake "thing."

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 21, 2019 08:31 PM (fwESp)

160 um.... ah.... Fox2 ?


"Barrel" in this instance, is not the boolit firing protuberance defining the nozzle end of yer gun.

It's much worse than that, mate.

*Cheers!*



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 08:31 PM (QzJWU)

161 Wow, not too many emBarrelings here. May be a first on this thread.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:32 PM (i6sQg)

162 The thread so nice, you read it twice.

Posted by: freaked at July 21, 2019 08:32 PM (UdKB7)

163 The Gun Thread is always worth reading twice!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:32 PM (MVjcR)

164 Recap!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 08:32 PM (NWiLs)

165 PSA AK-V
https://palmettostatearmory.com/ak-47/ak-v.html

Posted by: Kenny at July 21, 2019 08:33 PM (jgNHa)

166 Operator headspace and timing?

Posted by: Glen the Deplorable at July 21, 2019 08:33 PM (YE85g)

167 Really? You can bring up to 11 pounds of ammo, so long as the ammo isn't loose. I have filled up my magazines for travel with my guns (and I wind up traveling back empty, except for my self-defense magazines which I always travel with). I get some dirty looks from the agents at the check in counter, but so long as I am within regulations, screw em.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:28 PM (/0HPZ)


Well how about that. I just looked it up and yeah, that's the TSA rule. I have no idea why I thought you couldn't.

I would still check with the airline. If they choose to make their own rule, maybe they can and maybe they can't, but they can certainly keep me from making that particular flight on that day.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:35 PM (t+qrx)

168 @Ben Had

I've sent a note about TX MoMe. Excited to see you all then

Posted by: In Exile at July 21, 2019 08:35 PM (Jk+3L)

169 I added some pictures with the bipod dummied up on the galil.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmFm3TKp

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 08:37 PM (yQpMk)

170 Hogmartin, I've flown with gunz 'n ammo many times. As long as you check your airline's site, you'll be fine. I've had TSA in RI look on without comment to TSA in Texas asking about calibers, approvingly.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:37 PM (i6sQg)

171 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at July 21, 2019 08:39 PM (Kk/yR)

172 I would still check with the airline. If they choose to make their own rule, maybe they can and maybe they can't, but they can certainly keep me from making that particular flight on that day.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:35 PM (t+qrx)

Just don't fly into New York City. Check the local ordinances of where you are going, not just the TSA.

Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 08:39 PM (NgKpN)

173 I would get more than dirty looks from TSA if I could get a Beretta SMG 30rd stick mag to work with my 9mm BerettaCX-4 Storm.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2019 08:40 PM (CUgyF)

174 Silencers

I have shot with them

They can change your zero

But most people shoot better because muzzle blast and recoil are way less

Posted by: Yo! at July 21, 2019 08:41 PM (Kk/yR)

175 Hogmartin, what do you like to shoot? Make your preferences known well before October. Just like Ben Had said, we are a diverse lot.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 08:41 PM (UUkQp)

176 This is probably not the time to revise and "extend" my remarks.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 21, 2019 08:42 PM (MwFQu)

177 172 I would still check with the airline. If they choose to make their own rule, maybe they can and maybe they can't, but they can certainly keep me from making that particular flight on that day.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:35 PM (t+qrx)

Just don't fly into New York City. Check the local ordinances of where you are going, not just the TSA.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 08:39 PM (NgKpN)

Very true! I have only ever flown into gun-friendly locales. Truth be told, the only state I have ever taken my guns to outside TX is FL and I got absolutely no static about transport there.

TX is plenty big enough to justify flying from place to place at times and that is when I will typically travel with the guns, so I've never had anything to worry about.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 08:43 PM (/0HPZ)

178 This is probably not the time to revise and "extend" my remarks.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 21, 2019 08:42 PM (MwFQu)
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no worries. I managed to do the same thing here a couple of weeks ago!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:44 PM (MVjcR)

179 Other than changing zero, does a suppressor affect muzzle velocity?

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:44 PM (i6sQg)

180 Just don't fly into New York City. Check the local ordinances of where you are going, not just the TSA.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 08:39 PM (NgKpN)


True. But ammo in checked baggage shouldn't matter for a connection, right?

Hogmartin, what do you like to shoot? Make your preferences known well before October. Just like Ben Had said, we are a diverse lot.
Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 08:41 PM (UUkQp)


I like all kinds of stuff. Don't worry about me, I'll be fine. Though if anyone has a Swiss K-rifle or an 1873 Springfield that they wouldn't mind sharing for a bit... *shrug*

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:45 PM (t+qrx)

181 Other than changing zero, does a suppressor affect muzzle velocity?

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:44 PM (i6sQg)
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Now you're thinking!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:45 PM (MVjcR)

182 Other than changing zero, does a suppressor affect muzzle velocity?
Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:44 PM (i6sQg)


Not unless it's an older type with wipes.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:47 PM (t+qrx)

183 Excellent day at the range this morning. 2 mags(308&223) at the 100 yd berm and a couple at the 200. 8:30 am, 78 degrees 14% humidity and the benches are in the shade, so nice!! 110 rounds down range, all shiny and reloaded now. Why yes, a very enjoyable day at 5000 ft., overlooking The Great Salt Lake.

Posted by: ck at July 21, 2019 08:47 PM (GXRoa)

184 Meanwhile, the sage of the Dreyse M1907 continues...

Yesterday I took the Dreyse out to the range yet again, using different ammo.

In
addition, before it put it away from last time, I did a deep cleaning
and disassembly and practically immersed the thing in CLP.

So when I locked and loaded the little bugger, it was practically squiring oil.

But
it fired 15 shots without a hiccup before having a trigger issue that I
solved with a forceful clear and reload. Another hiccup was resolved
by testing the safety.

The issue there is that it is striker
fired and if the slide doesn't go all the way back AND if you don't let
the trigger reset while it's moving, the firing pin isn't fully cocked.

After
correction, I was able to go through the rest of the box without
incident. As it began to heat up in the 95 degree weather, I openly
speculated on whether the excessive oil would catch fire. You see,
after the magazine empties, a dark stream of black smoke would curl out
of the barrel.

I'm going to say it was the ammo, though the
cleaning and lube did make it cycle easier as well. For a pure blowback
like this firing a mouse round, that's important.

So enjoyment was had.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 08:48 PM (k++qu)

185 Other than changing zero, does a suppressor affect muzzle velocity?
Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:44 PM (i6sQg)


For clarity, I think it won't unless it's uses wipes, because that's what I've been told. Source: gun people on the internet.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:48 PM (t+qrx)

186 Posted by: ck at July 21, 2019 08:47 PM (GXRoa)
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very nice!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:48 PM (MVjcR)

187 " Rifle ranges aren't very shady places" one more reason to avoid them and just go to the forest.

Posted by: Bill Rebar at July 21, 2019 08:48 PM (IpD7L)

188 I've been to some shady rifle ranges.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:49 PM (t+qrx)

189 Chasing the links and their trails I found
CCI Quiet 22 Segmented HP.

Which according to American Hunter, what it "lacks in energy--45 ft.-lbs. --it makes up for in terminal performance". Also less ricochet.

Posted by: Ramon at July 21, 2019 08:52 PM (OIwXy)

190 I've been to some shady rifle ranges.

My local range is covered so you can shoot steel in the rain.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 08:52 PM (yQpMk)

191 You guys and your luxurious shady rifle ranges!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (MVjcR)

192 Ok,hogartin, I'll bite. What are "wipes"?

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (i6sQg)

193 My range is indoor and air conditioned!

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (UUBmN)

194 Weasel,

Thanks for the cleanup.

There are two kinds of people:

Those who have copied the entire thread, and those who haven't. Yet.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (MwFQu)

195 I've been to some shady rifle ranges.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 08:49 PM (t+qrx)

Outside the Army, I've never been on an actual range. Grew up in Wyoming. And even in my part of CO, I can go out and shoot legally (as long as I am not shooting TVs and antique booze bottles).

I pray that this does not change any time soon. But...

Colorado. Quickest shift from right to left I ever saw. Makes me ascared. Very Ascared.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 08:56 PM (aurSP)

196 My range is indoor and air conditioned!

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (UUBmN)
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show-off!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:56 PM (MVjcR)

197 187
" Rifle ranges aren't very shady places" one more reason to avoid them and just go to the forest.


Posted by: Bill Rebar at July 21, 2019 08:48 PM (IpD7L)

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The Rose Lake range (home of MiMoMe's) just got an upgrade. They now have two lean-to shelters behind the firing line, so while waiting for the target check to end, you can sit in the shade. Also useful in rainy conditions. Shooters were already congregating there and chatting about results.

Apparently they went in last week, so very new for those that know the place.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 08:57 PM (k++qu)

198 I don't own a rifle...

Do you want to fire a bolt .308 bull barrel with Nightforce scope, a semi-auto .308 (AR-10T w/ Nightforce scope) or .300 Win Mag bull barrel with Nightforce scope?

I don't have an entrenchment 5.56 but know where to get one.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 08:57 PM (lD3vL)

199 Posted by: Fox2! at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (MwFQu)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 08:57 PM (MVjcR)

200 lin-duh- Shameless plug alert. Top Shop at Longview.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 08:59 PM (UUkQp)

201 >>>Those who have copied the entire thread, and those who haven't. Yet.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (MwFQu)


The other night I came this >< close.

Posted by: Ramon at July 21, 2019 09:00 PM (OIwXy)

202 The other night I came this >

Posted by: Ramon at July 21, 2019 09:00 PM (OIwXy)
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The other night I did it!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:00 PM (MVjcR)

203 There's a place here in the 'Ville that has an indoor range that they say is rifle rated up to at least .30. And they have some separate electronically scored 100 yard lanes for sighting in. Only been there for the nickel tour. Have to take the -10 out for a spin someday.

Posted by: Fox2! at July 21, 2019 09:01 PM (MwFQu)

204 Ok,hogartin, I'll bite. What are "wipes"?
Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 08:55 PM (i6sQg)


An early suppressor technology that used a repackable baffle chamber full of rubber discs; the first bullet would perforate the disk and each subsequent one would go through the same hole, contacting the wipes on the way out. If you hear people talk about a suppressor as "good for x rounds", this is what they're talking about. Modern suppressors are built with baffle chambers that don't have any parts that contact the bullet and don't need to be repacked.

I'm hoping to find a cross-section diagram or a cutaway or something, but coming up empty. Bear in mind that I am not a silencerologist and this is purely "read in articles on the internet"-grade information.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:01 PM (t+qrx)

205 I wish I could go to the TX MoMee.

Are you in jail?

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 09:03 PM (lD3vL)

206 Apparently they went in last week, so very new for those that know the place.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 08:57 PM (k++qu)


That's welcome news. Rose Lake is a pretty top-notch range, definitely worth the price of admission.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:03 PM (t+qrx)

207 I'm hoping to find a cross-section diagram or a
cutaway or something, but coming up empty. Bear in mind that I am not a
silencerologist and this is purely "read in articles on the
internet"-grade information.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:01 PM (t+qrx)
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I thought I saw something about that on Forgotten Weapons. He was looking at the one carbine (Delisle?) that was made to be suppressed.

Could be thinking of something else, though. I did a lot of binge-watching gun vids when I was on furlough.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 09:05 PM (k++qu)

208 Air conditioned ranges. Preheat

Air conditioned ranges, pfeh! Blazing sun, sweat, dirt, and dryer sheets tucked in your headgear to keep the bugs off.
That was back when Men were Men and Sheep were Scared.













Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:06 PM (i6sQg)

209 Looks like the wikipedia entry for "Silencer (firearms) has good diagrams, scroll down to the "design and construction" section. The top one is a modern design and the bottom one is one with wipes.

https://tinyurl.com/y5fy32l2

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:06 PM (t+qrx)

210
I would get more than dirty looks from TSA if I could get a Beretta SMG 30rd stick mag to work with my 9mm BerettaCX-4 Storm.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2019 08:40 PM (CUgyF)

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Do you have the carbine?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 09:08 PM (k++qu)

211 Wipes are a good way to build an improvised 22LR muffler, if one were so inclined. Common hardware store stuff.

*shiftyeyes*

Or so I've read on the webz.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 09:09 PM (yQpMk)

212 Thx, hogmartin.
I've always wondered about the soda bottle over the barrel thing. Wouldn't you at least have to have steel wool inside to suppress the sound? Probably Hollywood, but I'm into the physics.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:10 PM (i6sQg)

213 Just don't join the John Brown Gun Club.

Antifa, or in other words they want their group to have guns, so they can take ours away from us.
Posted by: Don Q. at July 21, 2019 07:14 PM

Do you think anyone has told these historical illiterates what happened to John Brown?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 21, 2019 09:11 PM (rBtIz)

214 Colorado. Quickest shift from right to left I ever saw. Makes me ascared. Very Ascared.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 08:56 PM (aurSP)

No way I travel there armed. I do not trust the authorities there whatsoever. (Yeah, some sheriff's departments are OK, but what if I'm stopped by the CO State Patrol? Then I'm screwed.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 09:11 PM (/0HPZ)

215
Some day soon we need to discuss the "Sky King."

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 21, 2019 09:11 PM (fwESp)

216 The suppressor for the OSS suppressed M3 was built with solid stacked screen mesh, IIRC.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 09:11 PM (yQpMk)

217 Thx, hogmartin.
I've always wondered about the soda bottle over the barrel thing. Wouldn't you at least have to have steel wool inside to suppress the sound? Probably Hollywood, but I'm into the physics.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:10 PM (i6sQg)
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That's going to totally ruin the soda bottle.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)

218 Suppressed M3 google

http://bit.ly/2StEch4

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 09:13 PM (yQpMk)

219 I've always wondered about the soda bottle over the barrel thing. Wouldn't you at least have to have steel wool inside to suppress the sound? Probably Hollywood, but I'm into the physics.
Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:10 PM (i6sQg)
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That's going to totally ruin the soda bottle.
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:11 PM (MVjcR)


But you'll have ten years to find a new one.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:14 PM (t+qrx)

220 ...Bear in mind that I am not a silencerologist and this is purely "read in articles on the internet"-grade information.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:01 PM (t+qrx)




You really have to watch out for the Operating Sliencertologists at the range.

They'll let you shoot their guns with the cans, but you have to hold one in each hand while they ask you all kinds of intrusive questions.

And clean out your bank account for the "privilege" of joining their cult.

You *do* know what they call us who oppose them in their quests?

Yeah, that's right: "Suppressive Personalities".

Which is right up there with Deplorable and Irredeemable.

Yeah, we need some Deplorable and Irredeemable shoulder patches!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 09:15 PM (QzJWU)

221 No way I travel there armed.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 09:11 PM (/0HPZ)
There isn't much illegal in CO. You can't buy mags bigger than 14 rounds, but you can own them.

Posted by: Bill Rebar at July 21, 2019 09:17 PM (IpD7L)

222 C-33 @ 214- What a shame about Colorado. Mrs. E was born and raised there and I really despair for those good people who still live there. As for me, I don't travel in places where I can't protect myself and family, nor do I spend my money in those places.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 09:17 PM (UUkQp)

223 Forget the soda bottle, what you need to do is buy a few solvent trap kits. They have some nice titanium one that screw right on to the end of the barrel.

https://tinyurl.com/y5zvfjyx

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 09:18 PM (lD3vL)

224 Hickup showed one as an automobile oil filter.

Posted by: Ramon at July 21, 2019 09:20 PM (OIwXy)

225 Well, youse buys are the best. It's time to wind down.
Weasel, you and the other Cobs (and Ace, of course), do a wonderful thing. Radio Free America.
Now, to find some soda bottles. And handy-wipes.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:20 PM (i6sQg)

226 Biggest reason I don't use the Soda Bottle on the end of the barrel trick?

Cleaning up all that broken glass afterwards is a pain in the ass.


*blink* *blink*

....whaa.....why you lookit me like dat?




Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 09:20 PM (QzJWU)

227 220

LOL I was a silencertologist when I was 18. Loonytown. I had to escape in the middle of the night.

Posted by: Chris H at July 21, 2019 09:21 PM (L7f6N)

228 Yeah, we need some Deplorable and Irredeemable shoulder patches!
Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 09:15 PM (QzJWU)


I'm gonna need to place a bigger order next time.

https://stoatnet.org/mimomerangebag.jpg

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:21 PM (t+qrx)

229 >>> 228 Yeah, we need some Deplorable and Irredeemable shoulder patches!
Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 09:15 PM (QzJWU)

I'm gonna need to place a bigger order next time.

https://stoatnet.org/mimomerangebag.jpg
Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:21 PM (t+qrx)

Oooh! I think I recognize the thing near the bag!!

...sorry I dropped it in the lake though.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 21, 2019 09:22 PM (0ReGO)

230 Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:20 PM (i6sQg)
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goodnight, amigo.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

231 Any tips for staying cool?
Underweigh, in the engine room (115F) we used to stick a hose down our collar, soak our clothers, and slop around for ten minutes until we were dry. Repeat.

Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at July 21, 2019 09:23 PM (kD3S+)

232 ...sorry I dropped it in the lake though.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 21, 2019 09:22 PM (0ReGO)


Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:24 PM (t+qrx)

233 ......sorry I dropped it in the lake though.


Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 21, 2019 09:22 PM (0ReGO)




"Ironbottom Sound"


Not just a Pacific sea battle site any more.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 09:24 PM (QzJWU)

234 Silencers

I have shot with them

They can change your zero

But most people shoot better because muzzle blast and recoil are way less

Posted by: Yo! at July 21, 2019 08:41 PM



Imma call 'bullshit' on that last sentence!

Posted by: Zettai Roshia-no Botto at July 21, 2019 09:25 PM (7WaWV)

235 Guns! Boom! Thanks weasel!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 09:26 PM (l0HIT)

236 I wonder if someone is going to provide another "door prize" like last year....///
Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 07:46 PM


I would still like to have a discussion with them about the manner in which they 'provided' her. OTOH, I continue to feel I ended up with the grand prize.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2019 09:27 PM (DMUuz)

237 235 Guns! Boom! Thanks weasel!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 09:26 PM (l0HIT)
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My pleasure, CB, and howdy to Heidi!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:29 PM (MVjcR)

238 I continue to feel I ended up with the grand prize.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2019 09:27 PM (DMUuz)
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You sure did!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:29 PM (MVjcR)

239 OT: looks like there is going to be an Anti-Antifa rally in Portland. Proud Boys, 3%, and others.

Should be fun.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 09:31 PM (nDe2U)

240 Xalifornia delights in making criminals out of law abiding citizens.

Posted by: torabora at July 21, 2019 09:31 PM (OqSi4)

241 OT: looks like there is going to be an Anti-Antifa rally in Portland. Proud Boys, 3%, and others.

Should be fun.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 09:31 PM (nDe2U)
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*steeples fingers*

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:32 PM (MVjcR)

242 ...OT: looks like there is going to be an Anti-Antifa rally in Portland. Proud Boys, 3%, and others.

Should be fun.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 09:31 PM (nDe2U)




Sure hope someone puts up a live-feed of the festivities!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 09:32 PM (QzJWU)

243
Silencers and Suppressors:

The wiki link from #209 (hogmartin) shows many suppressors, and potentially a silencer or two. Suppressors are useful, in that they can reduce the SPL of the muzzle blast by 30 or so dB, but in the case of 5.56mm, the result is still over 100dB. A vacuum cleaner is 80db. A quiet conversation measures about 30dB.

However, 1 gunshot is a spike of noise, so even the DeLisle, at about 84dB seems very quiet.

Click on the DeLisle link at the bottom, then scroll down to Notes, Ref 8. Click that link to get to s detailed article on the DeLisle carbine, with the patent drawing of the silencer itself. Note the barrel (8"), the large number of gas vents in the last 1-2" of the barrel, and the overall size of the can. Remember, the ammunition is .45 ACP, probably 230gr RN, about 900fps, maybe less. A heavy, slow bullet with a very large expansion chamber, and it's good for 84dB.


Changing Zero: IDK. However,there are reports that the baffles in the can, and probably the porting aroound the end of the barrel, divert expanding gas away from the projectile after it leaves the muzzle, decreasing the possinility of destabilizing the projectile. This makes sense, but I know of no conclusive tests.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 21, 2019 09:33 PM (FlRtG)

244 >>>OT: looks like there is going to be an Anti-Antifa rally in Portland. Proud Boys, 3%, and others.


When, etc?

Posted by: davidt at July 21, 2019 09:33 PM (jY3BZ)

245 #30 The heat burns the barrels out. And results in misplaced rounds.

Posted by: torabora at July 21, 2019 09:34 PM (OqSi4)

246 Eromero,
Here's my plug... The Range in Austin.

Duncanthrax,
I agree with you on that. That kitteh won the lottery of life.

Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 09:35 PM (UUBmN)

247 However, 1 gunshot is a spike of noise, so even the DeLisle, at about 84dB seems very quiet.


Yeah, it also changes the quality of the sound. A gunshot in the open air is one of the most recognizable sounds in the world. A muffled gunshot is just a noise. People may hear it, but don't recognize it for what it is.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 09:36 PM (yQpMk)

248 Get ready to rumble on August 17th. 11am at the Waterfront.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 09:36 PM (nDe2U)

249 Yeah, it also changes the quality of the sound. A gunshot in the open air is one of the most recognizable sounds in the world. A muffled gunshot is just a noise. People may hear it, but don't recognize it for what it is.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 09:36 PM (yQpMk)
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That's a really good point.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:37 PM (MVjcR)

250 Before the ONT comes along and makes us the old thread, I just want to thank you all for checking in week after week. I really do appreciate it! Y'all are cool.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

251 If you want a silent weapon, just get a crossbow (or a blowgun). Also, ideal for the burning times, since the ammo is reusable.

Posted by: Bill Rebar at July 21, 2019 09:41 PM (IpD7L)

252 Changing Zero: IDK. However,there are reports that the baffles in the can, and probably the porting aroound the end of the barrel, divert expanding gas away from the projectile after it leaves the muzzle, decreasing the possinility of destabilizing the projectile. This makes sense, but I know of no conclusive tests.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 21, 2019 09:33 PM (FlRtG)


Once the projectile leaves the muzzle, it's the fastest thing around. The gas just wants to expand; it will do so into the most convenient area of lesser pressure which should be perpendicular to the path of the bullet or very near to it. I don't think there's any way for a suppressor to affect the bullet before or after it leaves bore, whether it's still in the can or not, but again, I don't know for certain either.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:41 PM (t+qrx)

253 Before the ONT comes along and makes us the old thread, I just want to thank you all for checking in week after week. I really do appreciate it! Y'all are cool.
Posted by: Weasel
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No problemo, you're welcome! *tongue in cheek*

Are you Kidding me? We thank you for your time and knowledge! Besides, I heard you're kind of a big deal...

Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 09:42 PM (UUBmN)

254 Thanks, Weasel and all. Taps at Eromero position. Manana.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 09:43 PM (UUkQp)

255
Check YouTube for videos of modern, reproduction DeLisle carbines being fired. Allowing for the quality of sound pickup, the firing is really very much like a pellet rifle firing, with the bullet impact (echo?) registering a second or two later.

Part of the noise is the striker, which argues for a shield around the receiver. Some of it is indeed blast. For starters, I think that wrapping the can with sound-deadening fiberglass mat and rubber, plus doubling the number of baffles, to absorb more heat, might help a lot.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 21, 2019 09:43 PM (FlRtG)

256 Besides, I heard you're kind of a big deal...

Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 09:42 PM (UUBmN)
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Well, yes, just not according to WeaselWoman!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

257 (sigh) Late to the party again.

TxMoMe: I've almost talked myself over my self-consciousness and into committing to going. It'll take some negotiating with Mrs. theB. I'll email Ben and Weasel if I can make it happen.

Gun trusts: my understanding is that the first time you apply for a stamp, it will take as long as it takes because that's when they do the background check. Subsequent applications should go faster since they don't redo the check. However, each time you add a new person to the trust, the next application puts you back into the wait list.

Range time: this week I took one of my dad's guns that I've never shot before. A Colt Series 70 Government Model. Nothing really special about it except that it was my dad's. I had forgotten what it's like to shoot a 1911 without a beaver tail. Didn't get bitten but did run a little skin off the web of my hand.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 09:44 PM (qc+VF)

258 224
Hickup showed one as an automobile oil filter.

Posted by: Ramon at July 21, 2019 09:20 PM (OIwXy)

They work great for .22.
Fun fact: Firearm suppressors and car mufflers were invented by the same person.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at July 21, 2019 09:44 PM (rnXGe)

259 ...If you want a silent weapon, just get a crossbow (or a blowgun). Also, ideal for the burning times, since the ammo is reusable.


Posted by: Bill Rebar at July 21, 2019 09:41 PM (IpD7L)



If you want a silent weapon, avoid my ex-wife.

*plays track of Charlie Brown's Teacher at full effect*




Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 21, 2019 09:44 PM (QzJWU)

260 Thanks, Weasel and all. Taps at Eromero position. Manana.


Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2019 09:43 PM (UUkQp)
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Thanks and goodnight Eromero!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:45 PM (MVjcR)

261 If you want a silent weapon, just get a crossbow (or a blowgun). Also, ideal for the burning times, since the ammo is reusable.
Posted by: Bill Rebar at July 21, 2019 09:41 PM (IpD7L)

Or the Chuck Bartowski tranq' dart. Flawless and the dose is perfect.

Every. Time.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 09:45 PM (aurSP)

262 Fun fact: Firearm suppressors and car mufflers were invented by the same person.
Posted by: Brian
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Midas? Thrush?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2019 09:46 PM (CDGwz)

263 If you want a silent weapon, just get a crossbow (or a blowgun).


I don't want a "silent" weapon, though I guess that would be nice all else aside, so much as I want a weapon that won't blind and deafen me if I have to use it.

The whole mufflers being NFA items is retarded. If firearms were just being introduced to the market today, I guarantee you that the FTC would require mufflers on them as a consumer protection.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 09:46 PM (yQpMk)

264 Fun fact: Firearm suppressors and car mufflers were invented by the same person.


From a good family.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 09:46 PM (yQpMk)

265 Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 09:44 PM (qc+VF)
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Hope you can make it BtB! It'd be nice to meet you.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:47 PM (MVjcR)

266 Weasel, did you take WeaselWoman to the LGSs as part of the prescribed therapy?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2019 09:48 PM (DMUuz)

267 Weasel, did you take WeaselWoman to the LGSs as part of the prescribed therapy?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2019 09:48 PM (DMUuz)
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Local Gun Store? She has her own mini-arsenal!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

268 I've moved from yes, to no to a tentative yes on the TexasMoMe. Finances are very shaky right now. Praying something goes my way.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 09:50 PM (dUJdY)

269 I've moved from yes, to no to a tentative yes on the TexasMoMe. Finances are very shaky right now. Praying something goes my way.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 09:50 PM (dUJdY)
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Sell me some earrings!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:50 PM (MVjcR)

270 Since we're in off-topic mode now. Thanks to whomever in the horde posted the link for the "real-time" link to the Apollo 11 mission.

Holy hell, those men had balls of depleted uranium. I've known the story of the mission for years. Hearing them, real time, sometimes bickering like men do when confined to small quarters.

I love the part where Mike is asking Buzz and Neil about what kind of samples they got, and whatnot. A lot of that was not audio, just transcribed later.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 09:50 PM (aurSP)

271
252 hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:41 PM (t+qrx)

"Once the projectile leaves the muzzle, it's the fastest thing around. ..."

I've watched high-speed videos of artillery being fired. In all of the cases that I can remember, the projectile does indeed make it out of the barrel first, but once the driving band leaves the barrel, the propelling gas usually envelopes the projectile for a foot or so. I think this is only true for "artillery" (105, 155, etc.), not tank guns firing APFSDS rounds. I suspect this is also true for firearms, but for maybe an inch or so for lower velocity ammunition.

Some discussion last week, about crowning muzzles, supports this, although I think most of the value of crowning is to even-out the gas release and protect the rifling.

Posted by: Arbalest at July 21, 2019 09:51 PM (FlRtG)

272 Sell me some earrings!

Buy my earrings!! lol! I have free shipping now ya'll.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 09:52 PM (dUJdY)

273 I like my keychain, Jewels.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 09:54 PM (nDe2U)

274 I like my keychain, Jewels.

Thank you

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 09:54 PM (dUJdY)

275
Fun fact: Firearm suppressors and car mufflers were invented by the same person.
Posted by: Brian
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Midas? Thrush?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.


W1AW?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 09:54 PM (aKsyK)

276 Some discussion last week, about crowning muzzles, supports this, although I think most of the value of crowning is to even-out the gas release and protect the rifling.
Posted by: Arbalest at July 21, 2019 09:51 PM (FlRtG)


I missed that, I should go take a look. I had thought that crowning was to ensure that the rifling was even all the way around at the muzzle.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:54 PM (t+qrx)

277 W1AW?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 09:54 PM (aKsyK)


Pretty sure that's it.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 09:55 PM (t+qrx)

278 BTW.. did you guys know I sold 42 of those keychains!! 42!!! That's so awesome.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 09:55 PM (dUJdY)

279 Late to the thread.

Range yesterday with mark was fun. I'm getting close to almost proficient with the Glock 19.

Got my 1911 back after getting a new front sight on it. I love my 1911.

Signed my papers and am on the wait phase for my Glock 42. I will be very happy to start running ammo through her and make her my carry.

Love this thread, weasel, thank you for all your time and effort!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 21, 2019 09:56 PM (PkVlr)

280 Love this thread, weasel, thank you for all your time and effort!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 21, 2019 09:56 PM (PkVlr)
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You're very welcome!
*peck*

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:57 PM (MVjcR)

281 Buy my earrings!! lol! I have free shipping now ya'll.

Can you do an unofficial AoSHQ hat pin?

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 09:58 PM (qc+VF)

282 I wonder what the ATF would say about a gun with a built in suppressor in the barrel?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:00 PM (2DOZq)

283 250....

Thanks Weasel. As for an MP5....maybe one day! Good night.

Posted by: WVinMN at July 21, 2019 10:00 PM (pV4s0)

284 Can you do an unofficial AoSHQ hat pin?

I will look into it Bob!

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 10:00 PM (dUJdY)

285 I think garrett is in the market for earrings.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:01 PM (2DOZq)

286 Ont is up.

Posted by: Ha at July 21, 2019 10:01 PM (MAstk)

287 Weasel needs some of those beard ornaments....

Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 10:01 PM (UUBmN)

288 Thanks Weasel. As for an MP5....maybe one day! Good night.

Posted by: WVinMN at July 21, 2019 10:00 PM (pV4s0)
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Thanks and thanks for stopping by WVinMN!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 10:02 PM (MVjcR)

289 I wonder what the ATF would say about a gun with a built in suppressor in the barrel?



They would say $200 please.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at July 21, 2019 10:03 PM (yQpMk)

290 Bob, if you think you want to come please let me know because motel rooms are next to non existent

Posted by: Ben Had at July 21, 2019 10:03 PM (HG3Kb)

291 OK - that's it. Have a great week everyone!
'Night!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 10:03 PM (MVjcR)

292 I wonder what the ATF would say about a gun with a built in suppressor in the barrel?

All the same rules apply as to a removable suppressor.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 10:03 PM (qc+VF)

293 Georgia Arms is pretty good ammo. I buy it from time to time.

Also, the Real Avid 18-in-1 gun tool shotgun choke does work on Stoeger Condor O/U shotguns. Available on Amazon for a great price.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at July 21, 2019 10:05 PM (+Kpte)

294 Bob, if you think you want to come please let me know because motel rooms are next to non existent.

Ben, thanks. Look for an email from me tomorrow.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 10:05 PM (qc+VF)

295 Weasel needs some of those beard ornaments....

Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 10:01 PM (UUBmN)
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heck yeah! Maybe a little bell!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 10:14 PM (MVjcR)

296 Excellent day at the range this morning. 2 mags(308&223) at the 100 yd berm and a couple at the 200. 8:30 am, 78 degrees 14% humidity and the benches are in the shade, so nice!! 110 rounds down range, all shiny and reloaded now. Why yes, a very enjoyable day at 5000 ft., overlooking The Great Salt Lake.

CK, I would be interested in knowing where you are shooting, as I live in northern Utah as well.
thanks.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at July 21, 2019 10:24 PM (RBFmA)

297 The CCI Quiet .22 LR are quieter than my pellet rifle.
Good medicine for squirrels in the orchard out to 75 yards or so.
Due to being solids shot placement is everything.
I found a couple of boxes of the segmented type, but they would not feed from the magazine of my Browning T-Bolt. The segmented rounds were more effective (more expensive, too), but not worth dealing with the FTF issue.
Penetration is better than I expected, but my neighbor reported failure to penetrate the skull of a ewe he had to put down. They will penetrate three 3/4 pine boards at twenty-five yards.
There is no appreciable noise reduction when fired in a pistol.
I like them a lot.

Back in another century, before suppressor were readily available, I was at a LGS in Eugene, Oregon and was talking to the owner about an older gentleman who lived in Northern California that made suppressed Ruger MkIIs and 10/22s for military and law enforcement folks. I described the MKII as appearing to have to have a ten-inch bull barrel, but the suppressor and barrel are in a ten-inch tube.
He says, "Like this?" And pulls a suppressed Ruger MKII just as I had described from under his desk drawer. He told me that it was fun to shoot, but that he really liked do is to take his suppressed MP5 with a laser sight and ride his quad through the high desert in Eastern Oregon at night and shoot jack rabbits on the run.
Oregon has gone downhill rapidly since.

Posted by: Waepnedmann at July 22, 2019 02:09 AM (fk08e)

298 Oh, and thank you for the gun thread. I look forward to it every week.

Posted by: Waepnedmann at July 22, 2019 02:10 AM (fk08e)

299 Thank you Ben Had! I am in Corsicana often and that is a good date. I guess site will be mentioned later.

Posted by: AnnaS at July 22, 2019 02:31 AM (i0+aj)

Food Thread: Steiner Tomatoes Will Come, But Corn Has Arrived!

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Yeah, it's a crappy photo, but they taste great, and are ridiculously easy to make. The recipe is cleverly called Pickled Carrot Sticks, and it's old! 1985, back when "organic" and "locally sourced," and all the other irritating buzz-words and catchphrases simply didn't exist in cooking, so it is blissfully free of all of that crap.

I was served a small plate of pickled vegetables at a restaurant a few weeks ago, and it was amazing how delicious and fun they were.That's why I made these! Of course there is a huge range of techniques and methods, but in their simplest form pickled stuff is just food soaked in vinegar, sugar and spices. The more complex pickling techniques are really fermentation, and that is a whole 'nother ball game. Just think exploding mason jars for starters.

So...any of you miscreants do this stuff at home? Any special recipes or techniques you want to share with The Horde?

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Krakatoa has recently expanded his backyard food production to include raccoons, so here is a good starting point for Procyon cookery.

Our Favorite Raccoon Recipes
I have never tried raccoon, and I think I am going to keep it that way. Any of you Morons like eating them? Hunting them?

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It's a gorgeous photo, but I am rapidly moving to the minimalist side of the burger-bun debate. As long as it is structurally stable, I want the smallest bun possible. However I agree completely about the brioche buns...they really are great, and they can be gutted easily so there is a minimum of extra bread to interfere with the flavors of the burger and toppings.

How to Make A Great Burger + Two Essential Burger Condiments

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I have tomatoes on the brain because so far this summer we haven't gotten the really great ones; it has been rather cool so far, and that just isn't good weather for great tomatoes. But this looks like an interesting (and bizarre) tomato dish, and one that may mask tomatoes that aren't great!
Roasted Curry Tomato Pie
I have been assured by the owner of the local farm at which I buy most of our summer tomatoes that this week is the start of the season, so I will be pounding on his door and demanding my rights as a tomato connoisseur. Not really....I just like a good tomato, but I certainly don't know much about them.
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On the other hand, corn has been pretty good recently, and last night I made a quick corn salsa (corn, tomatoes, red onion, cilantro, jalapeno, salt, pepper, cumin, cayenne, lime juice) that was great! As for cooking the corn? Nah, I cut the silk tip off, then tossed the ear into the microwave for two minutes. That was perfect, and it even made removing the silk easier.

For something a bit more interesting I dug this up...

corn-salad-with-chile-lime.jpg

corn salad with chile and lime
It's sort of Mexican street corn in a bowl.
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Oh, for fvck's sake!
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[Hat Tip: Bitter Clinger]
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Food and cooking tips, triple-cream cheeses, young wild pigs, crisp bacon, thick and fluffy pita, and good tomatoes that aren't square, pale pink and covered with Mestizo E.coli: cbd dot aoshq at gmail dot com. Any advocacy of French Toast with syrup will result in disciplinary action up to and including being nuked from orbit. And yes, shaking a Manhattan is blasphemy...it's in the Bible!

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1 Tongues out, fun's out!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 04:01 PM (kQs4Y)

2 Was wondering what was coming

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 04:01 PM (BbGew)

3 But Cavendish bananas, the popular kind, may become extinct. Eat 'em while you can!

Posted by: Smilin Jack and I search with DuckDuckGo at July 21, 2019 04:02 PM (yDxHh)

4 I like big crusty rolls for hamburgers, just the hamburger has to match the roll.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 04:02 PM (BbGew)

5 I choose to believe the Safe Space beer is funnin'.

Because doesn't the click*hssssssssssss of a beer tab being pulled transport one to a safe space, like a hopsy Narnia?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 04:02 PM (kQs4Y)

6 I have a question. I was stir-frying a bunch of stuff last night, and when adding a bit of soy sauce, the top flew off and I added a LOT of soy sauce. The food tasted pretty good, but was very salty, and I've leftovers for a least another meal or two.

So my question: is there a way to remove the saltiness? Soak everything in water for a while, or add something to counter it?

Thanks!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 21, 2019 04:03 PM (l9m7l)

7 So today I'm making Rigatoni al Segreto:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1xg1ntqSHU

The secret ingredient? Half a stick of butter! Really, isn't that the "secret" to most haute cuisine?

I zizzed some anchovies into the sauce as well, and then went all in with some bacon. And a splash of red wine.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 04:05 PM (kQs4Y)

8 Can I pickle stuff without having to go through all the 'sterilized jar' crap?

I have a bunch of banana peppers we grew and I want to pickle them and put them in a tupperware container...can I do that? I don't have that many so I don't want to make a production out of it.

Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2019 04:07 PM (cF8AT)

9 It's a gorgeous photo, but I am rapidly moving to the minimalist side of the burger-bun debate. As long as it is structurally stable, I want the smallest bun possible.

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Hello sailor!

Posted by: Brie Larson at July 21, 2019 04:07 PM (v4v6L)

10 Used to get pickled veggies all the time in Germany. Very good.
With the bier. Not safe bier. Real bier!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 21, 2019 04:07 PM (axyOa)

11 Tonight Girl Franpsycho is home for dinner.

Egg Drop Soup, Veggie egg rolls, Peanut Butter Noodles with chicken breast.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 21, 2019 04:08 PM (EZebt)

12 Looks like a pot of fleas and ticks.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 21, 2019 04:08 PM (naEeR)

13 That burger recipe looks good. I'm hungry now.

Posted by: DR.WTF at July 21, 2019 04:09 PM (aS1PU)

14 Pickled Oompa-Loompa dicks?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 04:09 PM (NWiLs)

15 *takes first bite*

Oh God, insanely flavorful.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 04:09 PM (kQs4Y)

16 You can make refrigerator pickles so assume you can do it with any other vegetables. It doesn't require sterilization but they won't last but a couple of weeks in the refrigerator.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 04:09 PM (BbGew)

17 So...any of you miscreants do this stuff at home?


I should. You just reminded me of something my father did that seemed like magic.

He'd put red onions in vinegar, sugar, salt, and pepper and leave it overnight and it would become amazing.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 04:09 PM (fuK7c)

18 Add potatoes to reduce saltiness.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 21, 2019 04:09 PM (naEeR)

19 Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 21, 2019 04:03 PM (l9m7l)

Honey, sugar, or agave and a little water

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 21, 2019 04:10 PM (EZebt)

20 I hate raw onions. There I said it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 04:11 PM (l0HIT)

21 I have never tried raccoon, and I think I am going to keep it that way. Any of you Morons like eating them? Hunting them?

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I like dressing up like them.

Posted by: Gov. Coonman Northam at July 21, 2019 04:11 PM (v4v6L)

22 Made the family's old bread and butter pickle recipe yesterday: sliced pickles, a little bit of onion, salt, coriander, vinegar, sugar, tumeric and mustard seeds. Can throw in jalepenos or some red pepper flakes if you don't want the kids and the Mrs. to scarf them all.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 21, 2019 04:11 PM (Z/1Kk)

23 (deriving equation to remove safe space)

Posted by: Spock at July 21, 2019 04:11 PM (jY3BZ)

24 The Queen of the Lollipop Guild just bought a Instapot and I told her that you cultists would have ideas.

So straighten up. I think she's coming.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 04:13 PM (fuK7c)

25 16 You can make refrigerator pickles so assume you can do it with any other vegetables. It doesn't require sterilization but they won't last but a couple of weeks in the refrigerator.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 04:09 PM (BbGew)

Couple of weeks will do. Thanks Skip!

Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2019 04:13 PM (cF8AT)

26 I figured 'coon would do well in a crockpot. Does it have a gamey taste?

Oh, and it has the classic Cream of Mushroom soup! A.K.A. Lutheran Binder. Perfect for church potlucks!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 04:13 PM (kQs4Y)

27 Burger meat - 80/20.
85/15 or 93/7 is too dry.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 21, 2019 04:13 PM (LDbTO)

28 Giardiniera is a pickled veggie combo. We used it in antipasto spreads, carrots were always in the mix.

Posted by: kallisto at July 21, 2019 04:14 PM (jmIQu)

29 I like a classic burger. Tomato, lettuce, a cheese of your choice ot not. (No onions) Ketchup...maaaaybe a bit of mayo. Not too greasy because I want the bun to maintain its integrity.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 04:14 PM (l0HIT)

30 26 I figured 'coon would do well in a crockpot. Does it have a gamey taste?

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Can't hold a candle to Granny's possum stew.

Posted by: Jed Clampett at July 21, 2019 04:14 PM (v4v6L)

31 Big pot of chicken and sausage jambalaya for the week.

Wrote a song about it, like to hear it, here it goes....

"Jambalaya, crawfish pie and fillet gumbo
For tonight, I'm-a gonna see my ma cher a mi-o
Pick guitar, fill fruit jar and be gay-o
Son of a gun, we'll have big fun on the bayou".......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 04:15 PM (Z+IKu)

32 On the beach this week with bil's family. Former West Pointer, Special Forces Airborne and NightStalker. Medicaled out after two chopper crashes.

Ribeyes, baked potatoes, corn on the cob, beer, vodka, gin and rum for supper.

Why yes, we ARE having fun!

Posted by: Tonypete at July 21, 2019 04:16 PM (Z/1Kk)

33 Tomatoes are here!

Steiner....soon (for the past 18 months, and it comes in it's own crock)

The cherry tomatoes I purchased on Friday were so tasty and fruity, they were like dessert. One of the cooking mags dedicated the front cover to tomatoes, and it seems like a great idea. Nothing like fresh produce.

I had a beautiful tomato, cucumber, peach and plum salad for lunch and I think it will hold me til tomorrow. Delish.

Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 04:16 PM (U7k5w)

34 Thanks, San Franpsycho!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 21, 2019 04:17 PM (l9m7l)

35 Raccoon preparation tips... remove hair, skin, and guts before cooking. Roast three hours at 325 degrees on a cedar plank. Discard raccoon, eat plank.

Posted by: Sven at July 21, 2019 04:17 PM (IcVMR)

36 The Queen of the Lollipop Guild just bought a Instapot and I told her that you cultists would have ideas.

So straighten up. I think she's coming.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 04:13 PM (fuK7c)



*narrows eyes at Bander*

Ignoring the meanie mcmeanersonness, yes, I decided that I have to start cooking again because I'm about to be 29 plus drinking age and having the diet of an unattended six year old at a birthday party isn't the best thing ever.

So far I've made ranch chicken pasta with cheese sauce which was delicious and made enough for weeks and today I made beef fried rice which came out fairly well though I added a bag of frozen mixed veggies and should have though to add a bit more rice to account for the extra moisture. And I'll cut back a bit on the hoison but other than that go me actually cooking.

*food comas on couch*

So what do I need to know about Instapotting, Horde? Are there any accouterments I should get?

Any good possum recipes?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 21, 2019 04:17 PM (GbPPJ)

37 " And be gayo...." Damn it's everywhere.

Posted by: CMU VET at July 21, 2019 04:17 PM (C+wjz)

38 (No onions)


I find your distaste for onions disturbing.

Raw red onion is the sine qua non in both bagels with lox and hamburgers.

Anything else is just savage.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 04:17 PM (fuK7c)

39 Wouldn't raccoons be all parasite-y?

Posted by: kallisto at July 21, 2019 04:18 PM (jmIQu)

40 The good thing about the oppressive heat is that because I don't feel like eating (I feed the family, but I've had an egg, a hotdog and one breakfast bar in the past two days) is that I've lost weight.
They are having turkey thighs and mashed potatoes for dinner.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 04:18 PM (+0VWg)

41 Raccoon preparation tips... remove hair, skin, and guts before cooking. Roast three hours at 325 degrees on a cedar plank. Discard raccoon, eat plank.

Sounds risky -- the plank might have picked up some of the raccoon flavor.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 21, 2019 04:19 PM (naEeR)

42
Which reminds me, I need to go cut some chives for chive butter compound for steaks tonight.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 04:19 PM (BLFnH)

43 40: Yep, I'll have a bowl of fruity salad, but heat is an appetite suppressant for sure.

Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 04:19 PM (U7k5w)

44 24 The Queen of the Lollipop Guild just bought a Instapot and I told her that you cultists would have ideas.
So straighten up. I think she's coming.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 04:13 PM (fuK7c)

Don't get me started. Damn near everything you'd make in a slow cooker...only fucking fast and juicy. Especially off cuts of meat it makes tender. Chicken (whole or parts)...acorn squash or other variants. Artichokes. Soups starting with dried beans in a fraction of the time of other methods and more tasty. I even made a cheescake in it. Yum.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 04:20 PM (l0HIT)

45 Wouldn't raccoons be all parasite-y?
Posted by: kallisto at July 21, 2019 04:18 PM (jmIQu)

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That's why you need lots of hot sauce.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2019 04:20 PM (v4v6L)

46 I'm about to be 29 plus drinking age and having the diet of an unattended six year old at a birthday party isn't the best thing ever.

So when is the big day you have the big birthday? I think Bander told us, but I can't recall.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 04:20 PM (+0VWg)

47 If you're pressed for time and can't dress a raccoon:

https://www.exoticmeatmarkets.com/Raccoon-Stew-Meat-16-Oz-p/raccoonstew1601.htm

Please to note sidebar on left.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 04:21 PM (kQs4Y)

48 Sometimes the cheaper brands of those Instapot type things explode. Be very careful.

Posted by: CMU VET at July 21, 2019 04:21 PM (C+wjz)

49 So what do I need to know about Instapotting, Horde? Are there any accouterments I should get?

Any good possum recipes?
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 21, 2019 04:17 PM (GbPPJ)
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We have an Instapot but we're afraid of it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 04:22 PM (MVjcR)

50 So when is the big day you have the big birthday? I think Bander told us, but I can't recall.


Nuh uh. Bander insists that she has always been and thus has no start date.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 04:22 PM (fuK7c)

51 Raccoon met with natural causes?

Posted by: klaftern at July 21, 2019 04:22 PM (RuIsu)

52 I zizzed some anchovies into the sauce...

Last week I made white clam sauce with linguine.

The recipe calls for "dissolving" a bunch of anchovies in the virgin olive oil.

In all honesty, I think that's what makes the clam sauce taste so good.

Clams in and of themselves are kinda bland.

So, more anchovies equals more better in Italian sauces, I think is the takeaway.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2019 04:22 PM (2EMYr)

53 I find your distaste for onions disturbing.

Raw red onion is the sine qua non in both bagels with lox and hamburgers.

Anything else is just savage.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 04:17 PM (fuK7c)

OK, the only exception you found, but I pay alter for the raw onion... and yum.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 04:23 PM (l0HIT)

54 The Queen of the Lollipop Guild just bought a Instapot and I told her that you cultists would have ideas.
So straighten up. I think she's coming.


Bing for "Instant Pot Kalua Pork"

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 21, 2019 04:23 PM (naEeR)

55 So when is the big day you have the big birthday? I think Bander told us, but I can't recall.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 04:20 PM (+0VWg)



This coming Friday.

Nice try, Bander.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 21, 2019 04:23 PM (GbPPJ)

56 47. I can't imagine eating raccoon. Just, no. It seems the US equivalent of bush meat.

Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 04:23 PM (U7k5w)

57 I made strawberry lemonade with basil.

I used frozen berries that I had in the freezer, and basil from the garden. I ran the berries through the blender to make them drinkable too.

Oh, and the damned doe is back munching on my tomatoes. This is what happens when people don't let their dogs run free.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 21, 2019 04:24 PM (vJw+j)

58 If you're pressed for time and can't dress a raccoon:

I'd be worried about catching rabies during the struggle.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 21, 2019 04:24 PM (naEeR)

59 We have an Instapot but we're afraid of it.
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 04:22 PM (

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Make yourself look large, but for God's sake don't look it in the eye.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2019 04:24 PM (v4v6L)

60 I don't get this whole thing about an instapot. The name sounds like something you use to help with sinus infections. It's just quicker than a regular crock pot? I like to cook with a crock pot, but don't enjoy making a lot of hot, heavy things in the summer.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 04:24 PM (+0VWg)

61 I don't know how we had room for dinner after the antipasto spreads: deli meats and cheeses, fish, breadsticks, giardiniera, olives, roasted peppers. Then dinner.

Posted by: kallisto at July 21, 2019 04:25 PM (jmIQu)

62 So, more anchovies equals more better in Italian sauces, I think is the takeaway.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2019 04:22 PM (2EMYr)
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See? This guy (gal?) gets it. Anchovies add a salty roundness to the sauce.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 04:25 PM (kQs4Y)

63
The Queen of the Lollipop Guild


Pic of her kindergarden nemesis.

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9151360256/hDAB4CD18/

Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2019 04:25 PM (FhXTo)

64 We have an Instapot but we're afraid of it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 04:22 PM (MVjcR)

Kevlar vest, protective eyewear, long sleeves and pants, helmet. basic gear for instapotting.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 04:25 PM (l0HIT)

65 My eldest has gotten into pickling through his love of Korean food.

He's starting simple with "lactic fermentation"

Which simply involves adding enough salt to keep botulism from taking root, and wait for the natural bacteria to do their thing.

Botulism is a risk with pickling so I'm glad he is so conscientious about measurements.

Anywho, of all things, he pickled some blueberries and plums.

He claims they're delicious.

And will bring some home on his next visit.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2019 04:26 PM (2EMYr)

66 See? This guy (gal?) gets it. Anchovies add a salty roundness to the sauce.
Posted by: All Hail Eris

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It is known.

(Well, GOOD anchovies anyway.)

Posted by: Tonypete at July 21, 2019 04:26 PM (Z/1Kk)

67 Happy birthday Alex! Are you going anywhere special? Do you need a list of alibis?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 04:27 PM (kQs4Y)

68 We used to bbq raccoon on our Weber grill when I was a kid.

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 04:27 PM (UU59y)

69 Raw red onion is the sine qua non in both bagels with lox and hamburgers.

Cheese and onion sandwiches. My last trip to England I found these -- they're like pimento cheese sandwiches with finely diced onions adding some crunch. I keep intending to some, but I also keep intending to go low-carb.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 21, 2019 04:27 PM (naEeR)

70 Nice try, Bander.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 21, 2019 04:23 PM (GbPPJ)

Whoops; Did I betray Bander? or you were just suggesting to him that he needed to tell us in such a way that we wouldn't ever forget.

I think you graduated from law school at age 10 and this is really your 21st birthday.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 04:27 PM (+0VWg)

71 60 I don't get this whole thing about an instapot. The name sounds like something you use to help with sinus infections. It's just quicker than a regular crock pot? I like to cook with a crock pot, but don't enjoy making a lot of hot, heavy things in the summer.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 04:24 PM (+0VWg)

See 44. The pressure really makes the spices pop. And its not hot really, like cooking on the stove. Its sealed.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 04:27 PM (l0HIT)

72 68 We used to bbq raccoon on our Weber grill when I was a kid.
Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 04:27 PM (UU59y)

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You rich guys with your Weber grills and your dead raccoons.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2019 04:28 PM (v4v6L)

73 Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2019 04:25 PM (FhXTo)



Little Miss Muffet: Armageddon

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 04:29 PM (kQs4Y)

74 Giardiniera

Is 4-5$ a jar now. I'm going to try making my own.
Sorry Coach Ditka.

Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2019 04:29 PM (FhXTo)

75 Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 04:27 PM (l0HIT)

I'd probably explode the darn thing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 04:30 PM (+0VWg)

76 Moar tips for alex that don't involve roadkill, please.

(I am pro-roadkill, not judging).

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 04:30 PM (fuK7c)

77 62 So, more anchovies equals more better in Italian sauces, I think is the takeaway.
Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2019 04:22 PM (2EMYr)
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See? This guy (gal?) gets it. Anchovies add a salty roundness to the sauce.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 04:25 PM (kQs4Y)

I always add anchovies (or anchovy paste) to pasta agli e olio. Adds just the right amount of salty bite.

Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2019 04:30 PM (cF8AT)

78 Fenelon, an Instapot is a pressure cooker that does other stuff too. For example, to make the beef fried rice, I started with saute, which makes it act like a skillet, browned up the beef and scallions and ginger for a couple of minutes, then dumped in the rice and the stuff for the sauce, and then switched to the pressure cooking mode and, voila, twenty minutes or so later, it was done. The point of it is one pot cooking.


We have an Instapot but we're afraid of it.
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 04:22 PM (

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Make yourself look large, but for God's sake don't look it in the eye.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2019 04:24 PM (v4v6L)


The problem I am having is that with the height of my counters (normal height) and the height of the instant pot (6 qt. size) and the height of the, um, me, I have to use the Awesome Stepstool of Awesomeness to see into it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 21, 2019 04:30 PM (GbPPJ)

79 I don't get this whole thing about an instapot. The name sounds like something you use to help with sinus infections. It's just quicker than a regular crock pot? I like to cook with a crock pot, but don't enjoy making a lot of hot, heavy things in the summer.

It's an automated pressure cooker. They stick to the lower pressure ranges, so you can't can in them, but otherwise if it's been done in a pressure cooker, it can be done in an Instant Pot.

Because they're digital, they can also act like slow cookers and some other features, but the

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 21, 2019 04:30 PM (naEeR)

80 Oh and an electric pressure cooker has a timer...AND you can slow cook with it...and brown. Oh and you set the timer, then it decompressed naturally so you don't have to worry about steam...oh and you vacuum with it.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 04:31 PM (l0HIT)

81 I've never had raccoon.

I suppose thee is no reason not to try it. I've had squirrel many times, I wonder if the two are similar?

Squirrel is quite tasty.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 21, 2019 04:32 PM (48XXE)

82 Seen several recent recipes for lime/Chile. To top it off I saw lime Chile flavored Doritos at the quickiemart. Seems to be a trend!

Posted by: Uncle Si at July 21, 2019 04:32 PM (F7vOh)

83 I wish I was in
Tijuana
Eatin' barbequed
iguana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyCEexG9xjw

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 04:32 PM (kQs4Y)

84 The problem I am having is that with the height of my counters (normal height) and the height of the instant pot (6 qt. size) and the height of the, um, me, I have to use the Awesome Stepstool of Awesomeness to see into it.
Posted by: alexthechick
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I'm gonna have to think twice about getting an instapot. I think you are the same height as me from what I gathered about you over the years...

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 04:33 PM (UUBmN)

85 *waves to Eris*

I'm going to do something for my birthday but haven't decided yet. There's some work and family stuff I have to deal with at the moment so it'll probably be in a couple of months. Alibis are welcome.


Whoops; Did I betray Bander? or you were just suggesting to him that he needed to tell us in such a way that we wouldn't ever forget.

I think you graduated from law school at age 10 and this is really your 21st birthday.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 04:27 PM (+0VWg)


Awww, you are sweet. No, I meant good try to Bander on sucking up to make up for the Lollipop Guild crack.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 21, 2019 04:33 PM (GbPPJ)

86 My grandma would make squirrel. Salt, pepper, butter and onions.

Quite good.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 04:34 PM (nDe2U)

87 The Lollipop Guild crack will be revisited. With luck and blessings it will be memed.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 04:35 PM (fuK7c)

88 The problem I am having is that with the height of my counters (normal height) and the height of the instant pot (6 qt. size) and the height of the, um, me, I have to use the Awesome Stepstool of Awesomeness to see into it.
Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 21, 2019 04:30 PM (GbPPJ)
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Ours has an instrument panel that looks like something from the Space Shuttle and all sorts of warnings about it blowing up, so we feel it's best to just leave it in the basement and order take-out.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 04:35 PM (MVjcR)

89 Told the story recently about the smelliest animal I ever met, and it was a raccoon.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 04:35 PM (BbGew)

90 Why do you have to see in the pot? Fill it. Timer. Push GO. wait till its done. Gees.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 04:35 PM (l0HIT)

91 The problem I am having is that with the height of
my counters (normal height) and the height of the instant pot (6 qt.
size) and the height of the, um, me, I have to use the Awesome Stepstool
of Awesomeness to see into it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 21, 2019 04:30 PM (GbPPJ)



I thought of you this afternoon, alex. Granddaughter, who is approximately half as tall as her teammates, played in a softball tournament today. After the game, the coach high-fived all the players down the line. She had to take a running step and jump up to reach his hand. I thought to myself, this is what it would look like if alex was playing softball.

Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2019 04:36 PM (lwiT4)

92 Instapot is an electric 'smart' pressure cooker Fenelon.

We don't have AC, don't really need it, but when we get a hot spell and I don't want to run the oven I'll sometimes make something in the crockpot overnight to have ready to just nuke and eat. Egg casserole works quite well for this.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at July 21, 2019 04:36 PM (vrfMC)

93 Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 04:35 PM (MVjcR)

LOL. Well, if you couldn't figure it out (and I think you're a smart guy) I sure as heck couldn't.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 04:37 PM (+0VWg)

94 --------
Ours has an instrument panel that looks like something from the Space Shuttle and all sorts of warnings about it blowing up, so we feel it's best to just leave it in the basement and order take-out.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 04:35 PM (MVjcR

LMAO. On that note. Later all.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 04:37 PM (l0HIT)

95 Eris, you promised something about rigatoni segretto.

Give.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 04:37 PM (fuK7c)

96 Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 04:34 PM (nDe2U)

....

Same here, on the grandma making it front.

Her preparation was squirrel n' dumplings, however.

It was very similar to getting chicken n' dumplings with dark meat chicken only.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 21, 2019 04:37 PM (48XXE)

97 Alibis are welcome.
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You were in Costa Rica on a beach yoga retreat during the time of the fire that engulfed half of Restaurant Row.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 04:37 PM (kQs4Y)

98 The long arm of kashrut says no to rabbits and raccoons.

Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 04:38 PM (U7k5w)

99 Bander, I gave a link to the YouToob channel above.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 04:38 PM (kQs4Y)

100 OK, folks -- the site Eris linked has an "Exotic Meat of the Month Club". Oh, and for the 'ettes, an "Exotic Sausage of the Month Club" -- a bargain for $50 less *AND* you get three pounds of sausage a month instead of two pounds of meat!

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 21, 2019 04:39 PM (naEeR)

101
I thought of you this afternoon, alex. Granddaughter, who is approximately half as tall as her teammates, played in a softball tournament today. After the game, the coach high-fived all the players down the line. She had to take a running step and jump up to reach his hand. I thought to myself, this is what it would look like if alex was playing softball.
Posted by: grammie winger at July 21, 2019 04:36 PM (lwiT4)



That is accurate.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 21, 2019 04:39 PM (GbPPJ)

102 89. Skip, did you shoot it like krakatoa did I hope?

Posted by: kallisto at July 21, 2019 04:40 PM (jmIQu)

103 Oh and manatee is so tender in the Instapot. Just sayin.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 04:40 PM (l0HIT)

104 I'd have to be pretty starving before I would eat a trash panda.

Posted by: Hobo with a laptop at July 21, 2019 04:40 PM (Dgce0)

105 Gotta go.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 04:41 PM (l0HIT)

106 hooray for the *other* weekend food thread!!

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 21, 2019 04:41 PM (MasTK)

107 I wish I was in
Amarillo
Eatin' barbequed
Armadillo

Posted by: Wall Of Doodo at July 21, 2019 04:41 PM (UdKB7)

108 A pound of boneless nutria meat for $50.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 21, 2019 04:41 PM (naEeR)

109 Eating raccoon? It don't taste all that good. Of course, the cooking method was crude. No sh!t, this is how it really was....
In the first weeks of Navy flight school in Pensacola, back in the mid-1970's, after a few weeks of classroom work there was a week of survival training. This included a brief "camping trip" in the scrub pine forest of Florida Panhandle. (This was basic land survival, not SERE school, which included POW training).
Anyhow, there I was with another 30 or so student aviators, land navigabating along under the watchful eye of a senior petty officer instructor who looked and talked like a genuine mountain man from West VA. We were also scavenging for food so we could, like, eat. We'd already bagged some greens and a box turtle which had about 4 bites of meat on him. The instructor had eyes like an eagle because about mid-morning he says "There's a racoon in that pine tree. Go get him." Huh? How? With what? "Well, of a' y'all climb the tree and shake him down. Rest of ya get a stick so you kin whack it when he hits the ground." And some poor soul very nervously climbed the tree, with a stick in his belt, to convince the 'coon to jump down into the waiting arms.. er, sticks, of the crowd below. The racoon did indeed get knocked out of the tree - it had headed to the outer end of the branch which was then shaken and down he came. I was happy it landed on the opposite side of the tree from me as the ensuing melee was a sight to behold as probably a dozen men in green flight suits attempted to pummel this poor critter. It dodged this way and that, trying to get away, and finally someone managed to klonk it on the noggin.

One of our number was actually skilled in field dressing game, so the racoon was dressed and later butchered up. The meat was roasted over a fire. Very dark meat, very greasy and not good at all. We'd left a gill-net in a nearby stream so there was a couple of catfish to share, a smidgen of turtle (we caught a second one) and some armadillo, which made the mistake of moving as our horde walked past it's hidey hole. The horde swiftly caught the poor beast which met the same fate as the racoon. But it wasn't bad - a white meat, not fatty, and, yes it did taste sorta like chicken.

But the best part was the fast food burgers the night the training ended!

Posted by: George V at July 21, 2019 04:41 PM (ORvjE)

110 "Exotic" meat of the month club. Cute.

Posted by: MSU Meat Lab (keep behind the line for your safety) at July 21, 2019 04:42 PM (t+qrx)

111 >81 I've never had raccoon.

I suppose thee is no reason not to try it. I've had squirrel many times, I wonder if the two are similar?

Squirrel is quite tasty.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 21, 2019 04:32 PM (48XXE)


My experience with raccoon is similar to bears. They smell and taste like what they've been eating. If they are into garbage, not good.

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 04:42 PM (UU59y)

112 Because they're digital,

The PLA can hack into them and detonate your kitchen over the Internet.

Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2019 04:42 PM (FhXTo)

113 Wenck, not Steiner, Wenck. Steiner had no resources to relieve the govt. district and quickly told the Fuhrerbunker so. Wenck gave it the old Prussian dueling society try, then quickly focused on getting civilians and military to the west to surrender to the Americans/Brits.


And the Mexican version of pickled carrots [and onions] is an old, good staple.


Posted by: rhomboid at July 21, 2019 04:43 PM (QDnY+)

114 George V -- that site has armadillo meat, too. Given the prices, I think you could make a good living driving the roads of Louisiana and Texas.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 21, 2019 04:44 PM (naEeR)

115 I guess I like cooking. Made Caprese tortellini salad and added sliced black olives and diced salami. Use ceasar dressing instead of italian. Last night made blueberry crepes. Yummy blueberry with brandy, a bit of sugar and vanilla.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 04:44 PM (BLFnH)

116 Remember the T-day food threads and some folks would post "Whiskey, ice, tall glass" Along those lines last week all you foodies were posting lemonade recipes with fresh herbs and mix some lemon zest with the sugar and herbs for an hour or so before mixing up the drink. Sounded tasty. What *I* have been doing in this heat is mixing store brand V-8 with about 1/4 portion of Vlasic pickle juice.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at July 21, 2019 04:46 PM (vrfMC)

117 No, the racoon got scared and ran out of my garage, but had to burn everything it touched.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 04:47 PM (BbGew)

118 My experience with raccoon is similar to bears.

......

Hmm.

I didn't particularly care for bear meat when I tried it. Very gristly (no pun intended).

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 21, 2019 04:48 PM (48XXE)

119 Hey y'all. I grew up on a farm, so we pickled things. I promptly forgot all the hows and whys as soon as I hit college. I wish I could do regular canning, but my mom's pickles put me off home pickling. Mt. Olive are good enough, and the house doesn't smell like vinegar.

I am inundated with tomatoes, at the moment. The heat wave, probably due to the squad's incessant yammering, is actually a boon to tomato growers. But I didn't plan appropriately, and I have thirty plants giving their all in tomato production, bless their hearts.


Posted by: Moki at July 21, 2019 04:51 PM (mFoNl)

120 Fresh picked jalapeno peppers, one thin sliced large carrot, large white onion thick slices, garlic cloves, kosher salt, packed in a very large glass two gallon pickle or earthenware jar- then add the vinegar. add a skim-layer of olive oil on top before putting the lid on. No hot packing or fancy sealing or refrigeration required. Wait a month or two.

My grandma used to make watermelon rind pickles with cloves. All cut into small triangle shapes (smaller than 1/2 each inch overall) and hot packed in pint jars. They were super crunchy and slightly sweetened. I liked them despite not liking strong clove flavors. She must've added dark green food dye because the pickled melons were very dark green colored. Very appealing looking. Old school stuff. Served from a tea trolley with a pickle fork.. of course!

None of the melon rind recipe pictures on the web look anything like her melon pickles. I've got the recipe at home, but I'm not at home right now.

I'll email it to CBD along with some other very old family canning recipes from the late nineteen century.


Posted by: 13times at July 21, 2019 04:52 PM (K3B2k)

121 How do you entice the raccoon into the pot,braise a skunk in it first?

Posted by: saf at July 21, 2019 04:52 PM (5IHGB)

122 116. I have to check last week's thread then. Maybe it has rhomboid's basil lemonade recipe.

Posted by: kallisto at July 21, 2019 04:53 PM (jmIQu)

123 @109 Replying to my own post about racoon and armadillo meat, I may be mis-remembering as the websites selling armadillo say it is a red meat, not white. This happened long enough ago that I may be mixing up which meats wuz which. It's really sad when you get old and forget what meat came from where....

Posted by: George V at July 21, 2019 04:53 PM (ORvjE)

124 13times, I'm a big fan of pickled jalapeños too.

Posted by: Muad'dib at July 21, 2019 04:53 PM (UU59y)

125 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at July 21, 2019 04:55 PM (Kk/yR)

126 It's really sad when you get old and forget what meat came from where....



D'uh, it's from WEGMAN's for gosh sake.

(Did I mention we raised purebred angus cattle on our farm. Did I also mention my dad took one to slaughter, and it broke his heart, because he had raised it from a calf and couldn't bear to eat the meat, so we gave it to the processor and bought meat from Kroger forever afterwards, and ended up with 150 cows that all had names because Daddy was no kind of rancher?)

Posted by: Moki at July 21, 2019 04:55 PM (mFoNl)

127 Do you need a list of alibis?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes


From the whole Horde? So, it's the reverse "I am Spartacus" maneuver, then.

"She was fishing in Minnesota!"

"No, she was mountain-climbing in Oregon!"

"We were in Nova Scotia the whole time!"

Posted by: mikeski at July 21, 2019 04:55 PM (P1f+c)

128 What time is too early to begin drinking wine?

Posted by: Yo! at July 21, 2019 04:55 PM (Kk/yR)

129 Sorry, I thought there were more instapot cultists. I told her it was going to be like asking about crossfit.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 04:56 PM (fuK7c)

130 The cupboards in my apt. freaking high. I am 5'5" and had to buy a step stool. I can reach without stool the lowest shelf, but only for items placed right in front. I don't use the top shelves except to store things I rarely use because I'd have to haul in a ladder. Conversely, the counter in the bathroom is oddly very low. Except for the bathroom, not AtC friendly, at all.

Posted by: washrivergal at July 21, 2019 04:56 PM (9+jnX)

131 Dilly beans and I read somewhere that if you put a grape leaf in your pickles it helps them stay crisp. I snagged some grape leaves from the neighbor to can pickles. Seemed to work.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 04:56 PM (BLFnH)

132 I was lucky to grow up eating pickled veggies courtesy of my grandparents. They are a Lebanese and Middle East staple, apparently. Carrots, cuke sices, cauliflower, baby corn, green olives, and turnips come to mind. They were very vinergary, not hot or sweet. I loved them and still do. Especially the carrots and turnips.

A couple of books I've found helpful: "The Joy of Pickling" by Linda Ziedrich and "Fermented Vegetables" by Kirsten Shockey. Making pickled veggies at home is so easy, even I can do it.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 04:57 PM (bmdz3)

133 Yo, it's nearly 5 EST, so have at it. If you've already started, we'll, it is still the weekend.

Posted by: April at July 21, 2019 04:57 PM (OX9vb)

134 What time is too early to begin drinking wine?


Before you wake up.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 04:57 PM (fuK7c)

135 Nope
Not eating a raccoon

Posted by: Yo! at July 21, 2019 04:57 PM (Kk/yR)

136 129 Sorry, I thought there were more instapot cultists. I told her it was going to be like asking about crossfit.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 04:56 PM (fuK7c)

I've noticed they tend to be in the same part of the Venn diagram. Along with Paleo types.

Posted by: Moki at July 21, 2019 04:57 PM (mFoNl)

137 What time is too early to begin drinking wine?

Posted by: Yo! at July 21, 2019 04:55 PM (Kk/yR)

....

Before 2 p.m.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 21, 2019 04:57 PM (48XXE)

138 Wine for lunch is fine so why not now?

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 04:58 PM (BbGew)

139 I'd like to try the pickled veggies. Is sugar necessary? I'm kind of picky and I dislike sweetened vegetables.

Posted by: April at July 21, 2019 04:59 PM (OX9vb)

140 How about if is a white and you mix it with orange juice?
Then the clock slides back to like 9am?

Posted by: Yo! at July 21, 2019 05:00 PM (Kk/yR)

141 No sugar in pickled veggies. I have an old Ball book I bought with my first canner at the hardware store. Way back in the *mumble*. It has just about everything in it.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 05:01 PM (BLFnH)

142 Posted by: Yo! at July 21, 2019 05:00 PM (Kk/yR)

....

Correct.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 21, 2019 05:02 PM (48XXE)

143 When I was a kid I was fascinated by the pearl onions in the giardiniera - didn't know that onionsgrew so tiny and cute!

Posted by: kallisto at July 21, 2019 05:05 PM (jmIQu)

144 Pickling vinegar is maybe(?) 20%+ strength while ordianry run of the mill vinegar is 1-2% strength - something like that.

Posted by: 13times at July 21, 2019 05:07 PM (K3B2k)

145 How about if is a white and you mix it with orange juice?
Then the clock slides back to like 9am?


Like a mimosa... sure why not?

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 05:07 PM (dUJdY)

146 128 What time is too early to begin drinking wine?
Posted by: Yo! at July 21, 2019 04:55 PM (Kk/yR)
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I've been drinking wine.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 05:08 PM (kQs4Y)

147 Along with Paleo types.
Posted by: Moki at July 21, 2019 04:57 PM (mFoNl)


If you've got a problem with cavemen, let's just have it out right now.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 05:08 PM (t+qrx)

148 I watched the al segreto video. Guy's secret ingredient is butter.

I do a pasta sauce where I use cream cheese as the secret ingredient. I thought that was maybe a cheat but I asked my Italian if they use it and she said yes, the call it Philadelphia.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 05:09 PM (fuK7c)

149
I've noticed they tend to be in the same part of the Venn diagram. Along with Paleo types.
Posted by: Moki at July 21, 2019 04:57 PM (mFoNl)
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And CrossFitters.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 05:09 PM (kQs4Y)

150 Pickling vinegar is maybe(?) 20%+ strength while ordianry run of the mill vinegar is 1-2% strength - something like that.
Posted by: 13times at July 21,

I've always used regular vinegar. Buy it by the gallon off season. Keeps a long time. Great for cleaning and the thing that confuses Cortez. The garbage disposal.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 05:09 PM (BLFnH)

151 >>>What time is too early to begin drinking wine?


Well I've been at it since 9am EDT so I imagine you are good to go.

Posted by: cfo mom at July 21, 2019 05:09 PM (RfzVr)

152 Oh, I see Bander beat me to it.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 05:09 PM (kQs4Y)

153 Aw, man.... I went outside with the dogs, completely forgetting I was baking up a batch of Keto crackers. They're, um, dark roasted now.

Posted by: April at July 21, 2019 05:14 PM (OX9vb)

154 I despise those buzzwords in food and cooking, like "organic", "locally sourced", "sustainable" and so on.

Indeed, for dinner one evening some years back, I and a few other colleagues went to a place in San Antonio. Already I was cringing internally as the gal who organized it was and is a complete whackjob, especially when it comes to food, and sure enough, when the waiter came out, extolling the virtues of their food because all of it was "LOCAL!!!", I knew I was never going back there again. (And dinner there was OK at best.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 05:17 PM (u0f7+)

155 FWIW, good old-fashioned white trash Southern BBQ slaw is mostly just cabbage, sugar, and vinegar, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't call me whitey, commie at July 21, 2019 05:18 PM (RMwSd)

156 150<<

I use ordinary vinegar. It's cheap and we really don't pickle anything other than jalapenos/carrots/onions and garlic. Eh, who cares.

My neighbors from years ago used pickling vinegar - she was Italian and he was Iranian and they always had at least 7-10 huge jars of pickled goods shelved in their utility room. They had one 2 gallon jar full of pickled garlic cloves. Mushrooms. She was an awesome cook,

Posted by: 13times at July 21, 2019 05:18 PM (K3B2k)

157 Got a foodie question. Can marshmallows go bad?

And how would one know?

Posted by: mindful webworker's cell is a hassle at July 21, 2019 05:19 PM (Dhcvl)

158 I recently made fresh fig jam from our big tree. It's been a battle: me vs. the birds.

It's as hot as the surface of the sun here the past few weeks, so my cooking has been limited to the kitchen.


We're going to the MiL's in Atlanta next weekend for her 95th birthday. My sweet husband is, as usual, providing all the food (low country boil) for the entire family and the MiL's close friends. The sibs do zip. Nada. Nothing.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 21, 2019 05:20 PM (ptqGC)

159 Ah, rice crispy treats. Ack, not trip to the store today.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 05:21 PM (BLFnH)

160 That top pic does remind me of the Alfred Hitchcock episode where he put his wife's head in a jar.

Posted by: kallisto at July 21, 2019 05:21 PM (jmIQu)

161 Miracle Whip goes well in slaw dressing.

The family recipe is equal parts Miracle Whip & Hellman's mayo, mixed with lemon juice, sugar and celery seed.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 21, 2019 05:21 PM (48XXE)

162 I've tried to reverse engineer slaw dressing and failed. Using recipes is cheating.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 05:22 PM (fuK7c)

163 For Tami's question re: pickled banana peppers

This is the recipe I use as our bounty trickles in:
https://tinyurl.com/yxpfmrma

Posted by: LaaughingOutLoud! at July 21, 2019 05:23 PM (jfpNK)

164 I suspect marshmallows would just go "bad" by becoming more and more Peep like.

Also I made homemade marshmallows once*. They were delicious but wow what a PITA.

Not from the plant, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't call me whitey, commie at July 21, 2019 05:23 PM (RMwSd)

165 My grandmother made awesome slaw. It was vinegar based and was even better the day after she made it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 21, 2019 05:23 PM (ptqGC)

166 I've baked brioche buns thinking they would be great for hamburgers but they were just to bready. The loaf I made was good was good but I like my hamburger buns really soft, kind of like these from Company Burger in N.O. No sure what they are.

https://tinyurl.com/y5onpy92

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at July 21, 2019 05:23 PM (utM8c)

167 I have a theory about the words cole slaw, though.

Kohl is cabbage. Slaw is Slav. (We're speaking Krautish now). I think cole slaw means "the way those Polaks over there eat cabbabe".

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 05:24 PM (fuK7c)

168 78 ... "The problem I am having is that with the height of my counters (normal height) and the height of the instant pot (6 qt. size) and the height of the, um, me, I have to use the Awesome Stepstool of Awesomeness to see into it."

Alex, I was laughing at this until Mrs. JTB gave me the stink eye. She's even shorter than you are and just got herself a step stool. (The awesomeness is yet to be established.) Every now and then I lean way over to get to her eye level. Sheesh! It's another world down there and I swear the air is thicker at that lower elevation.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 05:24 PM (bmdz3)

169 Off to fire up some chicken fajitas.

Dig you taters later.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 21, 2019 05:25 PM (48XXE)

170 all of it was "LOCAL!!!",

Who cares if we've already paid for the best National freight networks on the planet.

Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2019 05:25 PM (FhXTo)

171 >> I hate raw onions. There I said it.

Yeah, I am much happier with cooked onions.

On technique that worked very well when I mad a simple romaine and Bermuda onion salad for an Easter meal was soaking the sliced onion in cold water for at least 15 minutes. It took most of the bite/bitterness out of them and it made the salad lovely.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2019 05:25 PM (bDqIh)

172 Got a foodie question. Can marshmallows go bad?

And how would one know?

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Now do sour cream.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't call me whitey, commie at July 21, 2019 05:26 PM (RMwSd)

173 Have come across ancient marshmallows, they just kind of dry up. But bet in the apocalypse it would still be a good treat.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 05:29 PM (BbGew)

174 Got a foodie question. Can marshmallows go bad?

And how would one know?

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Now do sour cream.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Marshmallows get hard and stick together.

When sour cream gets moldy, it is bad.

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 05:29 PM (UUBmN)

175 When I pickle stuff, it's vinegar, a bit of garlic, salt and pepper. Definitely no sugar -- ugh!

Posted by: Empire1 at July 21, 2019 05:30 PM (ZWw89)

176 I freaking love corn, but man, I just can't abide it off the cob and scattered through something else. The grocery store in my mall makes an excellent $5.99 Cobb salad, but damned if they don't throw like thee handfuls of corn on top.

Offputting.

Posted by: TheHoser at July 21, 2019 05:30 PM (IDjUx)

177 When did s'mores get invented? I never heard of them and then all of a sudden they were supposed to be the needle in the vein of nostalgia.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 05:31 PM (fuK7c)

178 Guess I need to proofread my comments. A functioning keyboard would help as well.

Posted by: NOT THAT GUY at July 21, 2019 05:31 PM (utM8c)

179 too hot to cook. Salad for dinner!

Posted by: vivi at July 21, 2019 05:31 PM (11H2y)

180 wife and daughter don't eat buns w burgers. leaves me not wanting to buy 8-12 bun pack just for me. last nite found a four pack of Kings Rolls. It didn't cover the whole burger but was enough to satisfy my need for bun.

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 21, 2019 05:32 PM (cJBin)

181 all of it was "LOCAL!!!"

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Red Hen types are getting a leg up for when this cold civil war goes hot.

Seriously, though, could you imagine only having to cook and eat stuff grown within 30 miles of you?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't call me whitey, commie at July 21, 2019 05:32 PM (RMwSd)

182 9
It's a gorgeous photo, but I am rapidly moving to the minimalist side of
the burger-bun debate. As long as it is structurally stable, I want the
smallest bun possible.



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Hello sailor!

Posted by: Brie Larson at July 21, 2019 04:07 PM (v4v6L


Hahahahahaha! That ass is flatter than a donkey under a steamroller (and equally appealing).

Posted by: TheHoser at July 21, 2019 05:32 PM (IDjUx)

183 A pressure cooker is perfect for pulled pork. Cut a 4 lb boneless butt into four hunks

Rub you butt with mustard and dry rub.

Smoke with hickory and apple wood for two hours. Pressure cooke in 3/4 cup apple cider and 3/4 cup water for 50 minutes (longer if you're using an Instapot).

Release steam, pull pork mix in juices and maybe a shot of sauce.

Posted by: Regular joe at July 21, 2019 05:33 PM (6/uwW)

184 eat stuff grown within 30 miles of you?

No local corn this year. Plenty of algae.

Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2019 05:34 PM (FhXTo)

185 Where are the LOCAL!! folks getting their olive oil from? And salt?

I guess that's different, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't call me whitey, commie at July 21, 2019 05:35 PM (RMwSd)

186 183 Rub you butt with mustard and dry rub.

Posted by: Regular joe at July 21, 2019 05:33 PM (6/uwW)


Ow. It burns.

Posted by: Splunge at July 21, 2019 05:35 PM (ed8K1)

187 Thanks LaughingOutLoud!

Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2019 05:36 PM (cF8AT)

188 Sauteed 5 ears of corn and 1 green pepper last nite in butter. Pinch of red pepper, kosher salt, and lemon pepper. Family was happy.

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 21, 2019 05:36 PM (cJBin)

189 178 Guess I need to proofread my comments. A functioning keyboard would help as well.

Saw in grocery store today on one shell, marshmallows, chocolate bars and graham crackers

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 05:38 PM (BbGew)

190 Hello sailor!

Posted by: Brie Larson at July 21, 2019 04:07 PM (v4v6L

That exchange made me laugh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 05:38 PM (+0VWg)

191 Pickled garlic is good, the 'bite' is leached out of it and so is the odor.

Posted by: kallisto at July 21, 2019 05:39 PM (jmIQu)

192 Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 05:31 PM (fuK7c)

They've been around forever. Had them 4H Camp decades ago,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 05:40 PM (+0VWg)

193 I haven't done any pickling, but this site is a great for small batch canning. I have one of her books and the jam and butter recipes rock, so I assume the pickling recipes are great, too:

https://foodinjars.com/

https://tinyurl.com/yynstrgt

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2019 05:40 PM (bDqIh)

194 >>But the best part was the fast food burgers the night the training ended!
Posted by: George V at July 21, 2019 04:41 PM (ORvjE)

George, you have the Gift. Will Rogers would be proud.

Posted by: Caliban at July 21, 2019 05:42 PM (QE8X6)

195 Red Hen types are getting a leg up for when this cold civil war goes hot.

Seriously, though, could you imagine only having to cook and eat stuff grown within 30 miles of you?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't call me whitey, commie at July 21, 2019 05:32 PM (RMwSd)

One day, when I go past a coffee house or some such hipster establishment that has some stupid sign out front announcing to one and all how ALL their food is "LOCAL", I'm going to walk inside and ask where the flour for the baked goods came from?

Wheat isn't grown around here...where'd you get it? And unless there are sugar beets grown near here, you have to get your sugar from some place else...you have any packets that say "cane sugar" on it in a temperate zone? (And woe unto thee who has ANYTHING coconut related in a temperate zone. Then I will be compelled to ask if you got them from washing on shore at the nearest beach or if a swallow brought one.)

Not all food CAN be local and local isn't necessarily better. Deal with it!

Oh, the levels of totally f***ery that can be done because people look at food and immediately turn stupid. Don't even get me started with this sudden war on GMOs that came about 6000 years too late.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 05:44 PM (u0f7+)

196 PSA

On a recent camping trip we discovered that Ol Roy (Walmart house brands) marshmallows should be avoided for smores and general roasting duties.

I'm not sure how they could be so different from the big names (kraft?), but they didn't yield a shell that could be removed as a single layer after browning.

They also didn't taste as good, but that was secondary to them not behaving like top shelf marshmallows.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't call me whitey, commie at July 21, 2019 05:44 PM (RMwSd)

197 I don't get this whole thing about an instapot. The name sounds like something you use to help with sinus infections. It's just quicker than a regular crock pot? I like to cook with a crock pot, but don't enjoy making a lot of hot, heavy things in the summer.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 04:24 PM (+0VWg)

Hahaha....Yup......Instapot, Magicpot, Crackpot. Save your money for a cookbook instead.

I still use my olde tyme pressure cooker.......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 05:45 PM (Z+IKu)

198 I love the idea of a coffee shop advertising their local foods.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't call me whitey, commie at July 21, 2019 05:45 PM (RMwSd)

199 Bander, I recall s'mores getting popular in the mid-1960s as a camping treat or backyard BBQ where kids could roast marshmallows. Certainly my New England parents and grandparents had never heard of them.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 05:47 PM (bmdz3)

200 I feed feral cats and I think a raccoon is responsible for 4 kittens disappearing a few days ago. I was going to trap momma and the babies when they were a little bigger to get her fixed (TNR trap, neuter/spay release) and place the kittens. I'm upset about it.

I've seen the raccoon a few times eating cat food. I'm in suburbia so I can's shoot the bastard without it being heard and reported and the cat trap I have is too small for him I think. Don't know what to do. Going to try to trap the mother cat tonight.

Posted by: SanIam at July 21, 2019 05:47 PM (oasF3)

201 Seriously, though, could you imagine only having to cook and eat stuff grown within 30 miles of you?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't call me whitey, commie at July 21, 2019 05:32 PM (RMwSd)
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that shouldn't be a problem for me here in The Valley: we have lots of bakeries, meat processing and packing plants, distribution warehouses and grocery stores to choose from.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 21, 2019 05:48 PM (MasTK)

202 In Alabama I think I heard of smores in the late 80s.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't call me whitey, commie at July 21, 2019 05:49 PM (RMwSd)

203 I'm not sure how they could be so different from the big names (kraft?), but they didn't yield a shell that could be removed as a single layer after browning.


*clears throat*

I'm not sure it's a brand thing, it may be a sign of the times.

One of the few things I have left of my father is the art of roasting marshmallows. You roast until you can pull a skin off, you eat the skin, you roast what's left behind for a new skin. If you're good you get six or seven skins off a marshmallow.

It tried to pass this along to my masculine children. I could not. I couldn't get more than two or three skins off a mallow. And then I figured it out.

It's corn syrup. Real marshmallows back in the day were sugar, these marshmallows are corn syrup. Big Corn is evil.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 05:49 PM (fuK7c)

204 We've learned that sweet bread and butter pickles can be made with Splenda in place of sugar. Cuts way down on the carbs if that matters.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 05:49 PM (bmdz3)

205 Rub you butt with mustard and dry rub.
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I usually use lotion or cream...

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 05:50 PM (UUBmN)

206 that shouldn't be a problem for me here in The Valley: we have lots of bakeries, meat processing and packing plants, distribution warehouses and grocery stores to choose from.

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Ha.

"Why do you rednecks have to kill animals when there is plenty of meat in those clean white Styrofoam containers in the butcher shop?!"

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't call me whitey, commie at July 21, 2019 05:50 PM (RMwSd)

207 It's corn syrup. Real marshmallows back in the day were sugar, these marshmallows are corn syrup.

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Good point.

Those dang Ol' Roy ones must have nothing else in the ingredients list, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't call me whitey, commie at July 21, 2019 05:52 PM (RMwSd)

208 200 I feed feral cats and I think a raccoon is responsible for 4 kittens disappearing a few days ago. I was going to trap momma and the babies when they were a little bigger to get her fixed (TNR trap, neuter/spay release) and place the kittens. I'm upset about it.

I've seen the raccoon a few times eating cat food. I'm in suburbia so I can's shoot the bastard without it being heard and reported and the cat trap I have is too small for him I think. Don't know what to do. Going to try to trap the mother cat tonight.
Posted by: SanIam at July 21, 2019 05:47 PM (oasF3)


Larger Hav-A-Hart and a Crosman Model P1322.

Dispatch in the garage. No one will hear.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at July 21, 2019 05:52 PM (di1hb)

209 I'm at Yao Ming's picking up Mu Shu cat and cat fried rice right now.


I think I'm turning Chinese I eat it so much.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 05:53 PM (knDqF)

210 Larger Hav-A-Hart and a Crosman Model P1322.

Dispatch in the garage. No one will hear.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at July 21, 2019 05:52 PM (di1hb)

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But then the racoon will starve.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't call me whitey, commie at July 21, 2019 05:53 PM (RMwSd)

211 205
Rub you butt with mustard and dry rub.

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I usually use lotion or cream...

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 05:50 PM (UUBmN


I believe that's how one gets the hose.

Posted by: TheHoser at July 21, 2019 05:54 PM (IDjUx)

212 Here's a girl making homemade marshmallows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPXJ1uobO_0

They look good! I notice they are made without vanilla.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 05:54 PM (kQs4Y)

213 Has anyone ever had the real marshmallows, btw? I think they're french. Egg meringue and root of the marsh mallow, maybe. Probably some other stuff but I don't know.

I never have, but I'd love to try them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 05:56 PM (+0ddm)

214 S'mores are Russian cuisine, IIRC.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 21, 2019 05:56 PM (48XXE)

215 I never liked s'mores. Probably because I don't like each individual ingredient much less combining them.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 05:56 PM (knDqF)

216 Posted by: SanIam at July 21, 2019 05:47 PM (oasF3)

FFS, stop feeding feral cats in the burbs.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 05:56 PM (BLFnH)

217
That top pic does remind me of the Alfred Hitchcock episode where he put his wife's head in a jar.
Posted by: kallisto


Mister Haney

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0394054

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 05:57 PM (aKsyK)

218 I like Big Buns and I cannot lie!

Posted by: Sir Mix-a-Lot at July 21, 2019 05:57 PM (yE4ie)

219 Williams-Sonoma sells their "gourmet" marshmallows seasonally. I bought some one winter when I was into making rich hot chocolate. They're YUGE and really pretty good. I believe they make chocolate ones, too.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 21, 2019 05:58 PM (ptqGC)

220
g'afternoon, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 21, 2019 05:59 PM (KCxzN)

221 >>I never liked s'mores. Probably because I don't like each individual ingredient much less combining them.

What did you eat at camp then?
I remember we used to make s'mores and bananas that were split lengthwise, stuffed with marshmallows and m 'n ms, wrapped in foil and then roasted.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2019 05:59 PM (bDqIh)

222 I had a gourmet burger from Buff Burgers last Monday. They had the big buns also.

Not impressed.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 05:59 PM (knDqF)

223 Made pickled green mango on friday.

Posted by: pat at July 21, 2019 06:00 PM (5zZ1Q)

224 I make marshmallows at xmas time. Good stuff those homemade mallows.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 06:00 PM (yE4ie)

225 What did you eat at camp then?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 21, 2019 05:59 PM (bDqIh)M

The winning answer is 'some kind of meat'

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 06:01 PM (knDqF)

226 Thawing frozen swordfish. gonna marinade w butter, garlic, rosemary, lemon, and beer. marinade called for white wine but don't have any. will shortly see how it turns out.

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 21, 2019 06:01 PM (cJBin)

227 So...any of you miscreants do this stuff at home? Any special recipes or techniques you want to share with The Horde?

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In case anyone wants to try it on their sandwiches with pork they smoke at home, basic BBQ slaw like you get on sandwiches all over the South:

- Half a head of cabbage sliced, food processor-ed, blendered, however you want. I like food processor-ed.
-Equal parts vinegar and sugar (I use one cup)

- Mix ingredients and eat and refrigerate what you don't use.

Like Jane said, it will be better the next day.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:02 PM (+0ddm)

228 216 FFS, stop feeding feral cats in the burbs.

I've fostered and placed kittens and have two myself from the neighborhood. Great pets we love.

I've trapped, sterilized and released several successfully that still come around for dinner. They are surviving. I care about cats a lot. Anyway, good advice for the raccoon would be appreciated

Posted by: SanIam at July 21, 2019 06:02 PM (oasF3)

229 Re #6. Salt in Soy Sauce
Aloha Soy Sauce out of Honolulu makes a low salt version for that very purpose...stir fry. It is available on line.

Posted by: pat at July 21, 2019 06:03 PM (5zZ1Q)

230 Try my Ahoy Soy Sauce!

Posted by: Little Admiral Kristol at July 21, 2019 06:04 PM (EgshT)

231 Aloha Soy Sauce
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Da Bes Kine!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 06:05 PM (kQs4Y)

232 81 I've never had raccoon.

I suppose thee is no reason not to try it. I've had squirrel many times, I wonder if the two are similar?

Squirrel is quite tasty.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 21, 2019 04:32 PM (48XXE)

I had raccoon once as a kid. Wasn't good or bad and a bit gamey. Squirrel is good, but a helluva lot of work to eat for what little meat there is. More so than chicken wings.

Posted by: Roy at July 21, 2019 06:05 PM (ABjxW)

233 Jeesh, maybe the only thing I miss about Chicago is elotes, Mexican street corn, per above.
Well, and the fruit ices that the other guys with little pushcarts sell.

Oh, and Gene & Judes, and Jim's Original.

I'll stop now.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they are gaslighting us 24/365 at July 21, 2019 06:05 PM (pbg54)

234 Did everyone leave to go eat?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 06:05 PM (knDqF)

235 OK, the Spousal Unit and I are now engaged in a collaborative effort: Peach and blueberry pie with cornmeal streusel top. Here we go.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 06:06 PM (k3g2v)

236 *settles into food coma*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 06:06 PM (kQs4Y)

237 231 Aloha Soy Sauce


Now, half off at the Snackbar.

Posted by: Roy at July 21, 2019 06:06 PM (ABjxW)

238 Also, there's a nice local variation around Lexington, NC that uses hot sauce and cayenne pepper for a kick and a little bit of ketchup for color. I don't care for ketchup in general and this doesn't have any of that flavor, just the tint.

Search for Lexington slaw or red slaw and it should come up.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:06 PM (+0ddm)

239 note to The Guy and the basic pickling liquid recipe - right now it's pickling the Democrats, Party of the Rich thread.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 21, 2019 06:07 PM (V2Yro)

240 Ha.

"Why do you rednecks have to kill animals when there is plenty of meat in those clean white Styrofoam containers in the butcher shop?!"

Posted by: Moron Robbie - don't call me whitey, commie at July 21, 2019 05:50 PM (RMwSd)
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heh...

part of my disaster kit here at the house are several small salt licks.

i figure i can go up the hill to where the houses meet the brush, set one out, with some feed, and wait for suitable prey.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 21, 2019 06:09 PM (MasTK)

241 lol.. everyone must be eating.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:12 PM (dUJdY)

242 part of my disaster kit here at the house are several small salt licks.

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That's a really good idea.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:12 PM (+0ddm)

243 I was supposed to go to an outdoor concert but it was canceled due to extreme heat plus now it's thundering all over so here I am with you.

That corn salad recipe looks good. The burger bun is too big. The raccoon in the pot is just wrong.

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 06:12 PM (aXucN)

244 Have you ever marinaded food in zip lock bag and not zip it shut when putting in frig? I just did and don't recommend it.

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 21, 2019 06:13 PM (cJBin)

245 6 deaths blamed on the heat wave, make sure you drink plenty of water

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 06:14 PM (BbGew)

246 Hey bluebell!!! *does the Forrest Gump wave*

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:14 PM (dUJdY)

247 I've trapped, sterilized and released several successfully that still come around for dinner

I just love it when they come and dig up my flowers and crap in my garden. It's really great when I dig in the dirt without gloves.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 06:14 PM (BLFnH)

248 6 deaths blamed on the heat wave, make sure you drink plenty of water
Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 06:14 PM (BbGew)
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You sound like me. My kids are all over the east coast but it's hot everywhere. For the past few days I've been texting them "water water water water water." They text back "I know I know."

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 06:15 PM (aXucN)

249 Hello again. Tequila. Yum.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 06:15 PM (l0HIT)

250 Have you ever marinaded food in zip lock bag and not zip it shut when putting in frig? I just did and don't recommend it.

oopsie..

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:15 PM (dUJdY)

251 Hey bluebell!!! *does the Forrest Gump wave*
Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:14 PM (dUJdY)
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Hi there sweetie! I've been meaning to write to you - I have another order! Kind of a repeat but smaller. Will have to get my stuff together and write to you about it.

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 06:16 PM (aXucN)

252 Hello again. Tequila. Yum.

*tips shot glass towards Cannibal Bob*

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:16 PM (dUJdY)

253 Have you ever marinaded food in zip lock bag and not zip it shut when putting in frig?

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I even put mine in a bowl or pan because I've had the ziploc fail at a corner.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:16 PM (+0ddm)

254 244
Have you ever marinaded food in zip lock bag and not zip it shut when putting in frig? I just did and don't recommend it.

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 21, 2019 06:13 PM (cJBin


On the bright side, lots of other things in your fridge are also marinated and ready for the grill!

Posted by: TheHoser at July 21, 2019 06:17 PM (IDjUx)

255 251 Hey bluebell!!! *does the Forrest Gump wave*
Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:14 PM (dUJdY)
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Hi there sweetie! I've been meaning to write to you - I have another order! Kind of a repeat but smaller. Will have to get my stuff together and write to you about it.

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 06:16 PM (aXucN)


*opens arms for a group hug*

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 06:17 PM (l0HIT)

256 Oh great bluebell! Thank you, so sweet to think of me! No order is too small.. I appreciate everyone helping a girl out here.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:17 PM (dUJdY)

257 *opens arms for a group hug*
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 06:17 PM (l0HIT)
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You're not going to try to stuff us into the big cooking pot, are you?

*hugs back*

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 06:18 PM (aXucN)

258 I even put mine in a bowl or pan because I've had the ziploc fail at a corner.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:16 PM (+0ddm)

Yep. Me too. Marinade for jerky.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 06:18 PM (l0HIT)

259 I even put mine in a bowl or pan because I've had the ziploc fail at a corner.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:16

Yeah, I know better. Usually do the same. Alcohol may or may not have involved

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 21, 2019 06:19 PM (cJBin)

260 250 Have you ever marinaded food in zip lock bag and not zip it shut when putting in frig? I just did and don't recommend it.

oopsie..
Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:15 PM (dUJdY)
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You know those big gallon containers for making tea with the spigot near the bottom? The LAST time I made tea and put it in the refrigerator to cool, one of the inside shelf guards opened the spigot when I closed the door. WeaselWoman Status: Not Amused.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 06:19 PM (MVjcR)

261 ziplocs are another one of those things that it's worth paying the extra $1 per box for unless you're just using them to hold goldfish for the little ones.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:19 PM (+0ddm)

262 *air hugs Cannibal Bob*

lol.. not really.. if I ever get to meet you it will be a full on bear hug!

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:19 PM (dUJdY)

263 Now I absolutely crave tomatoes, green bell peppers and onions in a vinaigrette. Summer salad or 'Italian' salad. mmm mmm good

Starting around mid-August, we had big parties every weekend for canning. Men outside slaving over the hot grills with lotsa beer and the women inside in the air conditioning laughing. Canning was a male activity in my neck of the woods.

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 21, 2019 06:20 PM (MIKMs)

264 On the bright side, lots of other things in your fridge are also marinated and ready for the grill!

Posted by: TheHoser at July 21, 2019 06:17 PM


I like the way you think. I'll share that with daughter after she's finished cleaning the frig.

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 21, 2019 06:20 PM (cJBin)

265 *opens arms for a group hug*
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 06:17 PM (l0HIT)
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Ah, the "Lucky Cannibal" configuration!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 06:20 PM (kQs4Y)

266 Olddog- recommend sealing refrigerator with duct tape, 6 rolls should do it, then cart sealed package to dump or a volcano if one is near and tossing it in.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 06:21 PM (BbGew)

267 CBD, a thread about generic brands vs big name brands might not be a horrible idea.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:21 PM (+0ddm)

268 I've been trying to replicate George Cantor. I got an algorithm to list through ALL the rational numbers (= fractions). With no duplications! (so, if I've listed 1/2 - no 2/4, that's cheating)

I've also taken other coders' work to convert decimals to bitarrays and back again, which I'm crediting to the source. Same with the prime-number generator which the source cribbed from ol' Eratosthenes.

so, pretty pleased with that.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at July 21, 2019 06:22 PM (ykYG2)

269 CBD, a thread about generic brands vs big name brands might not be a horrible idea.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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Good idea. What do you buy brand name vs generic and why?

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 06:23 PM (UUBmN)

270 Last Sunday I started poking around on Al Gore's amazing internet to try to find that frozen watermelon drink I had mentioned, and I didn't find it.

But. I found this instead. About to make it, and if anyone else wants to do so with me, here you go. But you will need to have thought ahead and frozen some watermelon.


Frozen Watermelon Margaritas

4 c. chopped watermelon
1/4 c. lime juice
1/2 c. silver tequila
1/4 c. triple sec
4 watermelon slices, for garnish
4 lime rounds, for garnish

For rims of glasses:

2 tbsp. kosher salt
1 tbsp. granulated sugar
zest of 1 lime
lime wedge

Place watermelon on large baking sheet and freeze until hardened, at least 2 hours. Combine rim ingredients (salt, sugar, lime zest) on a small plate. Wet rim of 4 margarita glasses with lime wedge, then dip rims in salt mixture.

In a blender, combine watermelon, lime juice, tequila, and triple sec and blend until smooth. Pour into rimmed glasses and garnish each with a watermelon slice and a lime round.

Serves 1. (Okay, just kidding, serves 4, but I'm sure you figured that out already.)

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 06:24 PM (aXucN)

271 I always make a "Mexican Rice" under my wings for "Wingfest. You can take the easy way, which I have done, by dumping Ortega sauce on them. The other way is to simmer canned tomato sauce with some Mexican Paprika and chili powder. (There is enough cumin on the wings, but it can be added, as well.) -Adding your favorite hot sauce is a "must".

The rice is simple Minute Rice, from the box. It is boiled in the juice from the wings I bring out of the oven, chicken stock and butter. Yes... delicious, savory butter.

Added to that rice are grilled peppers of every persuasion, as well as grilled Roma Tomatoes and grilled red onions.

I peel the skin from all the peppers after letting them sit in a Zip-Loc bag for however long they need to sit before I get to them. (Ten Minutes is enough to let them "steam-off" the skin.) I also peel the skin from the tomatoes, which takes away from the bitterness and adds sweetness to the heat.

I serve them in a two-gallon tin pan for Wingfest, over Sterno with a water-bath pan underneath but they can be kept separate for home cooking.

On numerous occasions, I have heard... "The wings are awesome, But That Rice Kicks-Ass!". & "Duuude. That Freaking Rice!"

Sometimes, it is that Extra-Step you take that sets things apart.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 06:24 PM (Ckg4U)

272 @mel_faith1

President Trump unexpectedly dropped in on two weddings Saturday night at the Trump National Golf Club Bedminster in New Jersey

Listen as they start chanting "USA"

https://tinyurl.com/y6hz2ln2

Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2019 06:24 PM (cF8AT)

273 CBD, a thread about generic brands vs big name brands might not be a horrible idea.
Posted by: Moron Robbie


Great idea!

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:25 PM (dUJdY)

274 I always make a "Mexican Rice" under my wings for "Wingfest. You can take the easy way, which I have done, by dumping Ortega sauce on them.

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Has anyone else noticed that the taco sauce in the $2 kits with shells tastes completely different (better) than the same brand in the jars?

Also I've discovered that Valentina hot sauce makes a very good taco sauce all by itself.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:26 PM (+0ddm)

275 And I'm printing the watermelon and wings/rice posts as we speak.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:27 PM (+0ddm)

276 OH MY GOD. Our son has to live with us for 2 weeks while his apartment is being renovated. Good Lord.. I've been invaded. He has more crap than I do!

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:29 PM (dUJdY)

277 Also I've discovered that Valentina hot sauce makes a very good taco sauce all by itself.
Posted by: Moron Robbie
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There is a food truck/ restaurant called Valentina's here is south Austin that makes an awesome smoked brisket. It is a BBQ place with a mexican twist. Their breakfast tacos are to die for. The is almost always a line from the time they open at 7:30 until they run out.

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 06:29 PM (UUBmN)

278 Also I've discovered that Valentina hot sauce makes a very good taco sauce all by itself.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:26 PM (+0ddm)


Valentina is also the bee's pajamas as a dipping sauce for quesadillas. It's just really good all around. You can't beat $1.49/liter either.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 06:29 PM (t+qrx)

279 Bluebell, I have all those ingredients! I will have to make that.

Tomorrow.

*slips back into food coma*

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 06:30 PM (kQs4Y)

280 Don't the big name brands make most of the generic stuff?

Posted by: olddog in mo at July 21, 2019 06:31 PM (cJBin)

281 Is Valentina in stores? I just never noticed it? I'll give it a go if it's that good.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:31 PM (dUJdY)

282 If there's One Thing I know, it is chicken wings. I could never grill them until chavez the hugo told me how to keep them from sticking to the grill.

Keep the grill on a low temperature (250), and toss them in baking powder, first.

It makes for an excellent grilled wing, but I've always done mine in the oven, so I can gather all that delicious chicken broth.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 06:32 PM (Ckg4U)

283 Valentina is also the bee's pajamas as a dipping sauce for quesadillas. It's just really good all around. You can't beat $1.49/liter either.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 06:29 PM (t+qrx)

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Yep. I remember seeing it at Aldi's for 89 cents once. I had to talk myself out of buying it because I had it at home already, but it was the idea of it being that cheap for that much that was so appealing.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:32 PM (+0ddm)

284 Slap, I copied that! Sounds great!

Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2019 06:32 PM (cF8AT)

285 Valentina is also the bee's pajamas as a dipping sauce for quesadillas. It's just really good all around. You can't beat $1.49/liter either.
Posted by: hogmartin

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Agreed! The black label hot stuff is great also.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 21, 2019 06:32 PM (Z/1Kk)

286 Eris, I'll let you know how it is! I've prepared the glasses, now have to run downstairs for a couple more limes. BRB.

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 06:32 PM (aXucN)

287 Bluebell that sounds awesome! I will have to try it.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:33 PM (dUJdY)

288 286 Eris, I'll let you know how it is! I've prepared the glasses, now have to run downstairs for a couple more limes. BRB.
Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 06:32 PM (aXucN)
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bluebell has a lime cellar?

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 06:33 PM (MVjcR)

289 Is Valentina in stores? I just never noticed it? I'll give it a go if it's that good.
Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:31 PM (dUJdY)


Yes, you can get it grocery stores here. It's the one in the huge glass bottle with the flip-up plastic top. It's not particularly hot - maybe a little hotter than green Tabasco, around Tapatio or Cholula. Lots of flavor though, a little citrusy.

I guess they make a smaller bottle too, but what's the point?

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 06:35 PM (t+qrx)

290 Is Valentina in stores? I just never noticed it? I'll give it a go if it's that good.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:31 PM (dUJdY)

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So you know what it looks like. Check Aldi's if you have one, but I'm sure walmart or your grocery store carries it in the hispanic section, too.

https://www.hotsauce.com/valentina-hot-sauce/

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:35 PM (+0ddm)

291 I'm eating dessert. Chia pudding made with homemade almond milk.
*ducks from all the jabs*

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 06:35 PM (UUBmN)

292 Oh!.... and another *Pro-Tip* for chicken wings... Get them at Gordon Food Services, GFS, if you have one in your area.

These are the largest chicken wings on the market, today. ...they're simply yuuge.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 06:36 PM (Ckg4U)

293 I'm eating dessert. Chia pudding made with homemade almond milk.
*ducks from all the jabs*
Posted by: lin-duh

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My wife makes that all the time - yum!

Posted by: Tonypete at July 21, 2019 06:36 PM (Z/1Kk)

294 You can't beat $1.49/liter either.

Or .47 cent/year.

Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2019 06:37 PM (FhXTo)

295 276
OH MY GOD. Our son has to live with us for 2 weeks while his apartment
is being renovated. Good Lord.. I've been invaded. He has more crap
than I do!

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:29 PM (dUJdY


Storage locker FTW

Posted by: TheHoser at July 21, 2019 06:37 PM (IDjUx)

296 bluebell has been gone a while. I'm getting worried.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 06:37 PM (MVjcR)

297 Of course court documents from Cohan were released, can't get innuendo without getting accusations out there.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 06:38 PM (BbGew)

298 Thanks Moron Robbie. I will buy some this week.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:38 PM (dUJdY)

299 bluebell has been gone a while. I'm getting worried.
Posted by: Weasel

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She has her shiv - I'd worry more about the other poor bastard.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 21, 2019 06:38 PM (Z/1Kk)

300 Cholula is better but that $1.49 gets ?50ml?

Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2019 06:38 PM (FhXTo)

301 Texas Pete is good as well.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 06:39 PM (nDe2U)

302 These are the largest chicken wings on the market, today. ...they're simply yuuge.

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Thanks for that. We've visit a Mexican restuarant that has great hot wings and they're enormous, and I'm betting this is where they get them from. I'd always wondered but no one knows or will tell, probably because their competitors don't know.

They're served on a bed of chips, and the hot sauce/butter combination that drips down and soaks in is almost worth the price by itself.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:39 PM (+0ddm)

303 Any Moron opinions re: the other flavors of Valentina? Black label?


Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2019 06:39 PM (FhXTo)

304 https://www.hotsauce.com/valentina-hot-sauce/
-Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:35 PM (+0ddm)

Thank You! I'm always looking for Restaurant-Quality hot sauces!

I use Cholula, which, admittedly is the "ketchup" of hot sauces. ...but it has great flavor.

When people told me that my wings and rice were "Not Hot Enough", I added Dave's Insanity Sauce. -Yes- It lives-up to the moniker.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 06:39 PM (Ckg4U)

305 Storage locker FTW

That's where all his furniture is. I was talking about personal stuff.

Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:40 PM (dUJdY)

306 Cholula is better but that $1.49 gets ?50ml?
Posted by: DaveA

you can get a gallon of it for about $25. If you have the storage for it.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 21, 2019 06:40 PM (Z/1Kk)

307 bluebell has been gone a while. I'm getting worried.
Posted by: Weasel
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She has her shiv - I'd worry more about the other poor bastard.
Posted by: Tonypete at July 21, 2019 06:38 PM (Z/1Kk)


She said "get more limes", right? Not "get a few more bags of lime"?

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 06:40 PM (t+qrx)

308 Any Moron opinions re: the other flavors of Valentina? Black label?

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I've never even seen it, sadly. I'd certainly buy it if I do.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:40 PM (+0ddm)

309 Alex, I don't have opportunity to cook it anymore, but one recipie I used back in my previous life, it's a slow cooker rather than a pressure cooker recipie... but should adapt:

Bake a half dozen boneless chicken thighs. Then: Put them in slow cooker with a pack of taco seasoning and a can or two of rotel diced tomatoes. Cook until done.

I think I found it here about eight years ago. If y'all try it, I hope y'all enjoy. It may be too late today to start making chicken, but you could bake the chicken one night and cook it down into chicken soup starter/chicken taco filling the next. Add chopped onions/bell peppers/celery to taste, of course. And season to taste.

When things get better for me, I'm going to experiment a lot with paprika.

That's all I have for now.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 21, 2019 06:41 PM (Clxcy)

310 Any Moron opinions re: the other flavors of Valentina? Black label?

Posted by: DaveA
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My son and I love the black label stuff better than the yellow label 'regular'. But we tend towards the hotter sauces normally.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 21, 2019 06:41 PM (Z/1Kk)

311 They have the black label here. It's a little hotter, I guess.

*shrug*

I haven't done a side-by-side test. They're both good. Black label isn't overwhelmingly hot, still has good flavor.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 06:42 PM (t+qrx)

312 Reporting back - wow, those frozen watermelon margaritas are really delicious. If you guys like watermelon and margaritas, I strongly urge you to try that recipe.

Gotta run downstairs to give Mr. bluebell his. I think if we weren't already married he'd propose to me after tasting this delicious drink.

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 06:42 PM (aXucN)

313 Gotta run downstairs to give Mr. bluebell his. I think if we weren't already married he'd propose to me after tasting this delicious drink.

Posted by: bluebell
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Someone is getting lucky tonight!

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 06:44 PM (UUBmN)

314 There are like... five types of Paprika. Sweet, smoked, Mexican, Hungarian and something else I can't remember. ...probably "regular" or something.

I LOVE making things with a touch of cayenne pepper because the heat doesn't come out until you stop eating whatever it is added to. People enjoy the flavor and the only "cure" for The Spiciness is to Eat More!

...be it a salsa or a wing, it doesn't matter.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 06:45 PM (Ckg4U)

315 And that's all I have for now. I gotta go see Momma. Y'all have fun.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 21, 2019 06:45 PM (Clxcy)

316 hogmartin - yes, you need the fire extinguisher sized bottle of Valentina. Concocted by a popsicle vendor turned hot sauce maker and eventually entrepreneur - Manuel Maciel - who named the hot sauce after a heroine of the Mexican Revolution - Valentina Ramírez Avitia.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 06:46 PM (k3g2v)

317 When people told me that my wings and rice were "Not Hot Enough", I added Dave's Insanity Sauce. -Yes- It lives-up to the moniker.

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FWIW the Tobasco sauce company has started selling the mash from their barrels on their tours. It's a powder and uniquely hot/spicy, and a flavor that will probably puzzle most people.

Unfortunately I think it needs refrigeration and I don't think it's easy to order (if you even can). There are recipes out there to make your own, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 06:46 PM (+0ddm)

318 Gotta run downstairs to give Mr. bluebell his. I think if we weren't already married he'd propose to me after tasting this delicious drink.

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 06:42 PM (aXucN)

Are you keeping your husband and all your citrus needs in the basement or something?

Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2019 06:46 PM (cF8AT)

319 I use Cholula, which, admittedly is the "ketchup" of hot sauces. ...but it has great flavor

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 06:39 PM (Ckg4U)

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Which makes it the best hot sauce for eggs.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 21, 2019 06:46 PM (EZebt)

320 Canning Green Beans cook in the jars ia Preasure Cooker wait for the lids to seal hear them ping

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at July 21, 2019 06:47 PM (FLiOE)

321 Are you keeping your husband and all your citrus needs in the basement or something?
Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2019 06:46 PM (cF8AT)
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Yes. Doesn't everyone?

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 06:48 PM (fKC4x)

322 305
Storage locker FTW



That's where all his furniture is. I was talking about personal stuff.



Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:40 PM (dUJdY


Hoo boy. Time to cue up George Carlin?

Posted by: TheHoser at July 21, 2019 06:48 PM (IDjUx)

323 There are like... five types of Paprika. Sweet, smoked, Mexican, Hungarian and something else I can't remember. ...probably "regular" or something.
Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 06:45 PM (Ckg4U)


When I was little, paprika was something that came out of a McCormick's tin and made garlic bread a little more red than it was before. That's it. Decent Hungarian paprika is amazing. It actually tastes like something, and the something is "warm".

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 06:49 PM (t+qrx)

324 "Which makes it the best hot sauce for eggs."
-Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 21, 2019 06:46 PM (EZebt)

*Slapweasel Stamp of Approval*

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 06:49 PM (Ckg4U)

325 313
Gotta run downstairs to give Mr. bluebell his. I think if we weren't
already married he'd propose to me after tasting this delicious drink.



Posted by: bluebell

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Someone is getting lucky tonight!

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 06:44 PM (UUBmN


That was the first thing I thought and I snickered, and then I thought of the old coffee commercial ...

"Mrs. Bluebell runs downstairs to give it to Mr. Bluebell. My wife never runs down to give it to me."*insert sad face*

Posted by: TheHoser at July 21, 2019 06:50 PM (IDjUx)

326 Concocted by a popsicle vendor turned hot sauce maker and eventually entrepreneur - Manuel Maciel - who named the hot sauce after a heroine of the Mexican Revolution - Valentina Ramírez Avitia.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 06:46 PM (k3g2v)


*tips hat*

Thank you! I didn't know that.

Posted by: hogmartin at July 21, 2019 06:51 PM (t+qrx)

327 Breakfast tacos with Cholula sounds pretty damn good right now.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 06:51 PM (nDe2U)

328 235. Peach blueberry pie...yum. Summer bliss!

Posted by: kallisto at July 21, 2019 06:52 PM (gkMoQ)

329 A nice "Scramble-Wrap" with sausage and eggs sounds really, really good. ...and bell peppers. ...and onions. ...and...

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 06:53 PM (Ckg4U)

330 Yes. Doesn't everyone?

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 06:48 PM (fKC4x)

No but they should.

Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2019 06:53 PM (cF8AT)

331 "Mrs. Bluebell runs downstairs to give it to Mr. Bluebell. My wife never runs down to give it to me."*insert sad face*
Posted by: TheHoser at July 21, 2019 06:50 PM (IDjUx)

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Mrs. Franpsycho can't bring me a drink. She's busy mowing the "lawn."

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 21, 2019 06:53 PM (EZebt)

332 Breakfast tacos with Cholula sounds pretty damn good right now.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 06:51 PM (nDe2U

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Item #1 for staff appreciation breakfast on Tuesday.

Item #2 is waffles.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 21, 2019 06:55 PM (EZebt)

333 Slap! How you been you ol' reprobate!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 06:55 PM (l0HIT)

334 I wouldn't have known about Cholula hot sauce, were it not for Don Pablo's restaurants. That $#!+ goes on anything.

...and it doesn't have that "vinegary-smell" of other hot sauces at that low of a Scoville scale.

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 06:55 PM (Ckg4U)

335 "Slap! How you been you ol' reprobate!"
-Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 06:55 PM (l0HIT)

I'm All-Good, Brother! *fist-bump*

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 06:56 PM (Ckg4U)

336 329
A nice "Scramble-Wrap" with sausage and eggs sounds really, really good. ...and bell peppers. ...and onions. ...and...

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 06:53 PM (Ckg4U


I actually like the one from McDonald's. Throw a little tomato or salsa in there with the sausage, hash brown and the 3-4 eggs in there and it's pretty good.

Posted by: TheHoser at July 21, 2019 06:57 PM (IDjUx)

337 200 I feed feral cats and I think a raccoon is responsible for 4 kittens disappearing a few days ago. I was going to trap momma and the babies when they were a little bigger to get her fixed (TNR trap, neuter/spay release) and place the kittens. I'm upset about it.

I've seen the raccoon a few times eating cat food. I'm in suburbia so I can's shoot the bastard without it being heard and reported and the cat trap I have is too small for him I think. Don't know what to do. Going to try to trap the mother cat tonight.
Posted by: SanIam at July 21, 2019 05:47 PM (oasF3)

Hi, Shannon.
sup?

Posted by: some asshole at July 21, 2019 06:57 PM (ym5eo)

338 305
Storage locker FTW



That's where all his furniture is. I was talking about personal stuff.



Posted by: Jewells45 at July 21, 2019 06:40 PM (dUJdY

Hoo boy. Time to cue up George Carlin?



Posted by: TheHoser at July 21, 2019 06:48 PM (IDjUx)
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Love that routine, "What do you do with all your sh!t"

Gotta find it.

Posted by: Boots at July 21, 2019 06:58 PM (oGBso)

339 Air conditioner died last night -- hoping for a miracle resurrection from my SIL. He wants to take apart the compressor to make sure it is moving freely, and I just want a freon charge (if we can even find such a thing any more).

Posted by: mustbequantum at July 21, 2019 06:58 PM (MIKMs)

340 328 -Kallisto, cooking withe the wife is a kind of microcosm of a marriage - planning, agreement, conflict, cooperation. :-)

Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 06:58 PM (k3g2v)

341 All right, the comic guy is done loading his stuff in for the show next weekend. Time for me to go home and make some grilled ham n' cheeses for the chillins.

Bon appetit, Horde!

Posted by: TheHoser at July 21, 2019 06:58 PM (IDjUx)

342 I cleaned off the pizza stone. I think I'll make focaccia bread in the next few days. A friend gave me a bag of Italian flour he buys by the 50 lb. bag in CA form an Italian bakery. He says his daughter who is gluten intolerant has no trouble with bread in Italy. Nor does she when breads made with this flour... go figure. ????

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 07:00 PM (l0HIT)

343 "I actually like the one from McDonald's. Throw a little tomato or salsa in there with the sausage, hash brown and the 3-4 eggs in there and it's pretty good."
-Posted by: TheHoser at July 21, 2019 06:57 PM (IDjUx)

I wish I could still eat McDonald's. For all the crap they get, they make pretty decent stuff for Those In A Hurry.

I've known for a long time that I could make the stuff at home, Thanks to Mom!, much cheaper. ...but the convenience is cool.

...and I'll bet you've never tasted a better salsa than mine. *Raging Brag*

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 07:02 PM (Ckg4U)

344 GUN THREAD IS HOT
NOOD

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 07:02 PM (BbGew)

345 'm All-Good, Brother! *fist-bump*

Posted by: Slapweasel, White Enthusiast, Blond at July 21, 2019 06:56 PM (Ckg4U)

*Fist bump back*

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 07:02 PM (l0HIT)

346 340 328 -Kallisto, cooking withe the wife is a kind of microcosm of a marriage - planning, agreement, conflict, cooperation. :-) a week of the cold shoulder and no sex for a month.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 21, 2019 06:58 PM (k3g2v)

FTFY

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 07:03 PM (NWiLs)

347 Reporting back - wow, those frozen watermelon margaritas are really delicious. If you guys like watermelon and margaritas, I strongly urge you to try that recipe.

Gotta run downstairs to give Mr. bluebell his. I think if we weren't already married he'd propose to me after tasting this delicious drink.

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2019 06:42 PM (aXucN)

Will have to try that. Had a watermelon slushy at taco bell on Fri. (didn't feel like eating what I brought to work.) It was ok, except for the seeds. Never again.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 07:05 PM (BLFnH)

348 340. I'm sure the end result will be superb!

Posted by: kallisto at July 21, 2019 07:06 PM (gkMoQ)

349 Insom!

You're fine with cooking as long as you're not the one doing it!

Posted by: Nurse ratched at July 21, 2019 07:24 PM (PkVlr)

350 Exploding mason jars? Not anymore...pickle pipes, my friend, pickle pipes.

https://www.masontops.com/products/pickle-pipe

I just made some killer half-sour dills.

Easy peasy; 3 tablespoons of sea salt dissolved in 2 qts of non-chlorinated water, cukes, a dried Thai chile, garlic, dill, mustard seeds and a layer of grape leaves on top to keep the cukes crisp and submerged.

Slap on a pickle pipe and stash in a cool darkish spot in the kitchen...3-5 days Voila!

The only downside is that you will become obsessed with fermenting. Kinda like one becomes obsessed with making the perfect sourdough boule.

BTW-Next time you do the carrots add a inch sized chunk of fresh ginger and half a star anise...mighty tasty with Asian fare...especially Kalbi or bulgogi. I sometimes do half carrots and half daikon.

Posted by: Shanks for the memory at July 21, 2019 07:30 PM (TdCQk)

351 Yeah, if you're 'sploding your mason jars, you're doing it wrong.
(Even without pickle pipes.)

Posted by: GWB at July 21, 2019 07:56 PM (pNkYU)

352 Hi, Shannon.
sup?
Posted by: some asshole at July 21, 2019 06:57 PM (ym5eo)

lol no, not her. Just another cat nut. A guy too

Posted by: SamIam at July 21, 2019 09:33 PM (oasF3)

The Democrats: The Party Of The Wealthy!

There is a lazy assumption among the media (wow...that never happens!) that the Republican Party is in its essence for the wealthy, and the Democrat Party is for the little man...the real people of America.

But anyone who has been paying attention has realized by now that the concentration of wealth in the pure blue cities and in the tech sector is overwhelmingly leftist.

Dem Dot Coms vs. Trump's Soldiers and Steelworkers

Providing free health care for illegal aliens at taxpayer expense may not be very popular nationwide, but is commonplace in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle and Boston. Gun control is a loser nationwide, but a sure thing in the big blue cities. Even proposals to take away private health plans, allow rapists and terrorists to vote from prison, and open the border pick up more support there.

The 2020 Democrats aren’t speaking to Americans as a whole. Instead they’re addressing wealthy donors from 6 major cities, and some of their satellite areas, whose money they need to be able to buy teams, ads and consultants to help them win in places like New Hampshire and Iowa.

New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles show up in the top 5 donor cities for most of the top 2020 candidates, including Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker and Pete Buttigieg. Boston shows up in the top 10, not only for Bernie and Warren, but for Kamala and Buttigieg. Seattle appears in the top 10 for Bernie, Warren, and Buttigieg. Washington D.C. features in the top 10 for Bernie, Booker, Warren, Kamala, and Buttigieg. And the rest of America doesn’t really matter.

The Republican Party in my dreams and fantasies would be hammering the Democrats as out-of-touch billionaires who are insulated from financial and social upheaval because they have been stealing from real Americans for years. But that Republican Party does not exist. President Trump does make clear distinctions, like his marvelous criticisms of the four whores of the apocalypse, but without the support of his party he is a voice in the wilderness.

Imagine a concerted effort to demonize the mega-wealthy Democrat donor class. Many of them are wealthier than Trump, so the ads would practically write themselves...

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1 Firstest?

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 02:30 PM (BbGew)

2 Whoo hoo.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 02:30 PM (BbGew)

3 And the Media always pins the wealthy donors as Republicans.

Corgis dutifully called btw

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 02:33 PM (BbGew)

4 But that Republican Party does not exist.

No shit.

GOP vs DNC is rarely a binary choice anymore, just facets of the UniParty.

Posted by: Stealth Poster at July 21, 2019 02:33 PM (sCVDB)

5 Thirst!

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 21, 2019 02:34 PM (MasTK)

6 Benjamin Boyce talks with James Lindsay

https://youtu.be/TFBWyCcwZK4

They look at the university and political correctness

Posted by: BourbonChicken at July 21, 2019 02:34 PM (LxTcq)

7 If a nood was yelled in a forest, would anyone hear it?

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 02:34 PM (BbGew)

8 Apparently no...

Posted by: lin-duh at July 21, 2019 02:37 PM (UUBmN)

9 We tried to tell ya decades ago.

It's the suits vs the dungarees.

But would you listen?

NooOOOoooo

Posted by: SNL at July 21, 2019 02:38 PM (27q/y)

10 Shakin the bush, boss.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:38 PM (BLFnH)

11 Make it rain!

Posted by: Tiffini in Woodland Hills at July 21, 2019 02:39 PM (35XGF)

12 While there is a break in the action, guess I will go water the garden.
At least the rain barrel is full.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 02:39 PM (BbGew)

13 The New Oligarchs

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 02:40 PM (NWiLs)

14 I hate actors/ entertainers that spout retarded political statements. I hate even more foreign actors / entertainers that spout retarded statements on American politics.

Orlando Bloom and Justin Bieber need to stay in their lane.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:40 PM (2DOZq)

15 The Big Lie. It's gotta work better than the truth.

Posted by: klaftern at July 21, 2019 02:41 PM (RuIsu)

16 The New Oligarchs
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 02:40 PM (NWiLs)


Perfectly concise. Now, good luck convincing the "GOP good, DNC bad" crowd.

Posted by: Stealth Poster at July 21, 2019 02:41 PM (sCVDB)

17 so the ads would practically write themselves...

They'll have to, because the GOPe sure as hell won't.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 02:41 PM (sdi6R)

18 The Republican Party, as a defense against the communists, is a nearly worthless pile of shit. I say nearly because they do hold the Senate and are shoving through Judges as fast as possible.

When we finally have to turn them into the new Whig party, the new mascot must be a Honey Badger.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at July 21, 2019 02:42 PM (HumTc)

19 It's also the automotive engineers vs the shadetrees.

3 hours to yank a flippin starter.

Sons 'o' bitchez must pay.

Posted by: SNL at July 21, 2019 02:42 PM (27q/y)

20 Can't wait to see the C-130 fly into town this week!

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:43 PM (BLFnH)

21 But Tax cuts seems to be the argument.


Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2019 02:43 PM (ycWCI)

22 The Democrats have always been the party of evil, wealthy people.

The Republicans have always been the party of lazy, wealthy people.

Two shitty tastes that taste even shittier together.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 02:44 PM (Z+IKu)

23 Cruz thinks working with AOC is a positive. I keep losing more and more respect for him as time goes on.

It's so true that everyone will eventually disappoint you.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:45 PM (2DOZq)

24 And here comes the rain finally. Sky looked decidedly odd when I just woke up. Not green, had that under lit heavy cloud thing going on, like at twilight.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2019 02:47 PM (ycWCI)

25 eaa starts today. warbirds flying around right now. going to be a great week.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 21, 2019 02:47 PM (KP5rU)

26 But Tax cuts seems to be the argument.

But the increase in tariffs and inflation reduce if not eliminate that benefit.


Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:47 PM (lD3vL)

27 23 Cruz thinks working with AOC is a positive. I keep losing more and more respect for him as time goes on.

It's so true that everyone will eventually disappoint you.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:45 PM (2DOZq)


Cruz working with AOC helps keep her face in the forefront.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 02:48 PM (jQI/A)

28 Cruz working with AOC helps keep her face in the forefront.
Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 02:48 PM (jQI/A)

It gives her some legitimacy. She deserves none.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:48 PM (2DOZq)

29 Cruz thinks working with AOC is a positive. I keep losing more and more respect for him as time goes on.

It's so true that everyone will eventually disappoint you.


As I keep saying, "The quickest way to demon possession is to relocate to Washington DC".

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:48 PM (lD3vL)

30 Well, Cruz barely won reelection in Texas. He almost got knocked off by a guy who nationally is an asterisk. So it's not like Cruz is a political genius.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 21, 2019 02:50 PM (H5knJ)

31 26 But Tax cuts seems to be the argument.

But the increase in tariffs and inflation reduce if not eliminate that benefit.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:47 PM (lD3vL)

I did not say the argument had merit. Or that most rich seem to find a way to shield themselves from paying taxes anyway.

Now my phone goes off: 'Flash Flood Warning!' really, it is raining heavily and there might be flooding? How does weather work?!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2019 02:50 PM (ycWCI)

32 Well, Cruz barely won reelection in Texas. He almost got knocked off by a guy who nationally is an asterisk. So it's not like Cruz is a political genius.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls


Goldman Sachs anyone?

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:51 PM (BLFnH)

33 "dot Coms" -- heh!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 02:52 PM (kQs4Y)

34 Trump does make clear distinctions, like his marvelous criticisms of the
four whores of the apocalypse, but without the support of his party he
is a voice in the wilderness.


It's a pretty powerful voice, nonetheless.

Posted by: pep at July 21, 2019 02:53 PM (T6t7i)

35 Now my phone goes off: 'Flash Flood Warning!' really, it is raining heavily and there might be flooding? How does weather work?!





Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2019 02:50 PM (ycWCI)

++++I set my phone to indicate only "Presidential Alerts" - I live on the edge.

Posted by: washrivergal at July 21, 2019 02:54 PM (9+jnX)

36 When you wrote "four whores of the apocalypse" those four got all pissed off out of the blue.

Posted by: torabora at July 21, 2019 02:55 PM (OqSi4)

37 Also, I think what often appears to be corruption in the GOP is really cowardice. They're afraid to do something new, because it might cost them their seat. They prefer to hang back, and let the (very rare) PDTs of the world blaze a trail, which they will then follow and claim as their own (provided it all goes well).

Profiles in courage they are not.

Posted by: pep at July 21, 2019 02:56 PM (T6t7i)

38 C-130 rides are a hoot

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 02:57 PM (BbGew)

39 So no Nads Nadler was on the Sunday shows throwing around the High crimes and Misdemeanors charge against Trump and "hinting" that the Mueller testimony Wed. will prove that....

Posted by: It's me donna at July 21, 2019 02:58 PM (O2RFr)

40 https://dailym.ai/2Gmlxz8
*******
STEVEN EDGINTON, 19, was the journalist who exposed memos from the UK's man in Washington | Daily Mail Online

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 21, 2019 02:59 PM (BqBId)

41 Cruz is really blowing it. We haven't reached Peak AOC yet. Buckle up.

Posted by: torabora at July 21, 2019 02:59 PM (OqSi4)

42 23 Cruz thinks working with AOC is a positive. I keep losing more and more respect for him as time goes on.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:45 PM (2DOZq)


Maybe he thinks he can educate her. Other than that, I have no idea.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 03:00 PM (sdi6R)

43 We haven't reached Peak AOC yet.
----

We're not even at base camp!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 03:00 PM (kQs4Y)

44 Cruz is really blowing it. We haven't reached Peak AOC yet. Buckle up.
Posted by: torabora at July 21, 2019 02:59 PM (OqSi4)

He also said Trump only had a 50/50% chance of winning re-election... You can think that, but you shouldn't say it even if you believe it.

Posted by: It's me donna at July 21, 2019 03:00 PM (O2RFr)

45 C-130 rides are a hoot
Posted by: Skip at

Oh man. Not sure how I could wrangle that. It would be so awesome!

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 03:02 PM (BLFnH)

46 With his campaign staffers' salary debacle, Bernie is showing us in real time just how communism works.

Posted by: washrivergal at July 21, 2019 03:02 PM (9+jnX)

47 Cruz needs the cash flow. Nearing expiration date, too.

Posted by: klaftern at July 21, 2019 03:05 PM (RuIsu)

48 Posted by: It's me donna at July 21, 2019 03:00 PM (O2RFr)
********
You don't want complacency to set it HRC campaign & voters ! Good Lord I don't know how some people from here operate in the real world without a Xanax IV Drip

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 21, 2019 03:06 PM (BqBId)

49 Afraid only time will tell what Ted is up to with A O-C

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 03:07 PM (BbGew)

50 It's not AOC, it's Cortez.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 03:08 PM (BLFnH)

51 We should insist on calling her Sandy Cortez.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 03:09 PM (kQs4Y)

52 47 Cruz needs the cash flow. Nearing expiration date, too.
Posted by: klaftern at July 21, 2019 03:05 PM (RuIsu)

All you people whining about Cruz: don't come crying to me if/when TX starts sending batshit crazy Leftists to the Senate. (And for all y'alls bellyaching about Cruz, you forget Cornyn is a much bigger problem, and he is up for re-election next year. I'm hoping someone with some conservative credentials can actually primary him next year so we can have a chance.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 03:10 PM (u0f7+)

53
I have neither praise nor blame for Cruz for working with AOC. It simply seems pragmatic to me.

Ban members of Congress from immediately becoming lobbyists.

Make contraception available over the counter.

I'm not fanatically devoted to either idea, but they both seem good enough, and I don't care who gets it done or how.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 21, 2019 03:11 PM (13CQC)

54 What's up Ron's and Ettes? I'm waiting in line for the London Eye Ferris wheel. Sorry I missed the book thread

Posted by: Josephistan's new phone at July 21, 2019 03:12 PM (Yq07+)

55 You don't want complacency to set it HRC campaign & voters ! Good Lord I don't know how some people from here operate in the real world without a Xanax IV Drip

No you don't want to be complacent but you also want to show confidence... By the way I don't need a Xanax IV drip

Posted by: It's me donna at July 21, 2019 03:12 PM (O2RFr)

56 I have always like Sandy for her name.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 03:13 PM (BbGew)

57 We should insist on calling her Sandy Cortez.

Always do

Posted by: It's me donna at July 21, 2019 03:13 PM (O2RFr)

58 Been a slow 24 hours around here, maybe the heat is getting to some.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 03:13 PM (BbGew)

59 Donkey Chompers.....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 03:14 PM (Z+IKu)

60 Make contraception available over the counter.




Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 21, 2019 03:11 PM

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It already is.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 21, 2019 03:15 PM (JUOKG)

61 Contraception is available at PP up to the day of a birth

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 03:17 PM (BbGew)

62 54
What's up Ron's and Ettes? I'm waiting in line for the London Eye Ferris wheel.



It's very cool. The best time to go is at dusk. That way you see the city by both day and night, and both are well worth it.

Posted by: pep at July 21, 2019 03:19 PM (T6t7i)

63
We should insist on calling her Sandy Cortez.

Always do
Posted by: It's me donna


That's as racist as mentioning Obama's middle name.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 03:20 PM (aKsyK)

64
the Eris Wheel?

What she up to, now??

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 21, 2019 03:20 PM (wDxkW)

65 58
Been a slow 24 hours around here, maybe the heat is getting to some.

Posted by: Skip


I just spend 15 minutes or so outside watering some plants, and I'm damp and drained.

Posted by: pep at July 21, 2019 03:21 PM (T6t7i)

66 As much as I despise envy and as much as I despise the Left for constantly pushing envy, hatred and resentment as great moral virtues, it must be remembered that those who have already "got theirs" love to support the Left for two reasons:

1) Keep the pitchforks away and
2) create artificial barriers to entry, to prevent other people from enjoying their level of success.

For all of Warren Buffett's whining about how he pays less in tax than his secretary, he likes it that way because he finds the idea that his secretary could get, well, at least near enough to his level of success to be sickening. So he wants high levels of taxation to keep the rubes at bay. And it doesn't hurt that he already knows about 10,000 pathways to avoid paying higher taxes if the pitchforks DO come his way.

In reality, these Dem donors in the big cities see themselves as medieval princes in an aristocracy, and wish the United States could have a very rigid class system where everyone would just SHUT UP, and know their place, accept their place, and stay in their place. As things are now, as much as even those on the Right love to talk about "class" this and "class" that, there are no classes to speak of. The economy is too dynamic and people move around too much for there to be such a thing. (The "middle class" family of today may well be upper class in 5-10 years, given a few things like kids moving out of the house, a few promotions, or paying off the mortgage. And as for this "working class" crap: that's just about 95% of the population. Do you know people who don't work outside of retirees and bums?)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 03:21 PM (u0f7+)

67 62 - it's almost 8:30 here, do it's perfect

Posted by: Josephistan's new phone at July 21, 2019 03:22 PM (Yq07+)

68 I really think the GOP should keep pushing lower and simpler taxes but have a populist bent to go after the billionaires and foundations.

I'd love to see the Soros, Gates, Zuckerbergs, etc squeal about higher taxes and not getting all their tax dodges.

Basically every billionaire is a committed leftist, even the Kochs I would say might as well be liberals also. Give them the higher taxes they pretend to want.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 03:23 PM (UfkIY)

69 Ads with aerial views of their walled estates may make a good visual with a narrative on open borders.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 21, 2019 03:25 PM (1g7ch)

70 We should insist on calling her Sandy Cortez.

Always do
Posted by: It's me donna

That's as racist as mentioning Obama's middle name.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.



Then we can call her Sandy Vagina.
Afternoon all. Hiding in the A/C at least the in-laws.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 21, 2019 03:26 PM (LDbTO)

71 Cruz thinks working with AOC is a positive. I keep losing more and more respect for him as time goes on.



It's so true that everyone will eventually disappoint you.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:45 PM (2DOZq)

I gave up on Cruz forever when he blamed Trump for the violent (obvious) paid mobys that were showing up at his rallies. He can talk a good game all he wants. There's plenty of GOPe that talk a good game. Even McCain would swallow his bile and vote as he promised to during election years.

Posted by: ... at July 21, 2019 03:27 PM (LPWLR)

72 18 The Republican Party, as a defense against the communists, is a nearly worthless pile of shit. I say nearly because they do hold the Senate and are shoving through Judges as fast as possible.
Posted by Hawkpilot at July 21, 2019 02:42 PM

I think the same thing, which causes me to go paranoid and think it is intentional. McConnell gets us some judges to distract us from the budget busting he is doing.
It is the least he can do for us so he can stay in office. We get judges and he gets graft, power and allies in the Deep State.

Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at July 21, 2019 03:28 PM (zeg38)

73
Do you know people who don't work outside of retirees and bums?)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33


Seven homeless people have filed a federal lawsuit, claiming LA's committed unlawful seizure and destruction of their property during street sweeping.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 03:28 PM (aKsyK)

74 think the same thing, which causes me to go
paranoid and think it is intentional. McConnell gets us some judges to
distract us from the budget busting he is doing.

It is the least he can do for us so he can stay in office. We get
judges and he gets graft, power and allies in the Deep State.





Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at July 21, 2019 03:28 PM

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You do know that it is not just McConnell who is doing the budget busting right? It takes three for that tango.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 21, 2019 03:29 PM (JUOKG)

75 AOC - Cortez

Any relation to Hernan Cortes?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 21, 2019 03:33 PM (1g7ch)

76 Hernan Cortes

sick demented shirttail relative.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 03:35 PM (BLFnH)

77 I am not going up on the London Eye Ferris Wheel and you can't make me.

Posted by: washrivergal at July 21, 2019 03:36 PM (9+jnX)

78 eaa starts today. warbirds flying around right now. going to be a great week.

I'm envious. Oshkosh has been one of my bucket list items for years.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 03:36 PM (qc+VF)

79 77 I am not going up on the London Eye Ferris Wheel and you can't make me.
Posted by: washrivergal at July 21, 2019 03:36 PM (9+jnX)
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Yeah! We're not the boss of you!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 03:37 PM (MVjcR)

80 hola chamucos !

Posted by: chango butt at July 21, 2019 03:38 PM (B+t5k)

81

I went to Oshkosh when I was a kid. Twelve, I think. Dad, mum, and me flew there in our Skylane. The experimentals bored me.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 21, 2019 03:38 PM (wDxkW)

82 So the story of the fat Dem politician accusing white racist man of racist hate attack in Publix and telling her to go back where she came from has fallen apart as expected. Of course nothing of the sort happened and turns out the white man was is a Cuban Trump hating Dem, and very woke himself.


That sound you just heard is the story being sent down the memory hole. The sound you did NOT hear was an apology or even admitting they were wrong from countless Dems with with thousands, maybe millions of tweets about this being Trump and deplorables and the climate of hate 's fault. Too busy tweetig about the next hate crime de jour I suppose.

Posted by: Ripley at July 21, 2019 03:39 PM (MxEKc)

83 so the question becomes, after amassing a war chest and winning the nomination, what lies the dem presidential candidate will tell the rest of the country.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 03:39 PM (Pg+x7)

84 Sandy Vagina Cortez ?

Posted by: chango butt at July 21, 2019 03:40 PM (B+t5k)

85 It is the least he can do for us so he can stay in office. We get judges and he gets graft, power and allies in the Deep State.

It is enough, even with the graft and corruption, to stop me from trying to blow it up with a new third party to run right up the middle with a populist/Libertarian lean. For now.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at July 21, 2019 03:40 PM (HumTc)

86 About those judges...

The Dems and the GOPe had a gentleman's agreement of sorts. Let the courts make the hard decisions the politicians didn't want to go on record on with a vote. Then the Dems decided to go for the whole thing, try to freeze out the junior partner GOPe, with Reid's messing with the filibuster.

The GOPe confirming these judges is an existential thing, they want to preserve their personal interests. It remains to be seen whether these judges are conservative, constitutional, or just GOPe like Roberts.

Posted by: davidt at July 21, 2019 03:41 PM (jY3BZ)

87 If elected Democrats hate money so much why are they all so freakin' filthy rich?

Posted by: ... at July 21, 2019 03:41 PM (LPWLR)

88 (And for all y'alls bellyaching about Cruz, you forget Cornyn is a much bigger problem, and he is up for re-election next year. I'm hoping someone with some conservative credentials can actually primary him next year so we can have a chance.)

And I'm hoping Kate Upton shows up at my door with pizza, beer, and an overnight bag. I'd guess our chances are about equal.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 03:41 PM (qc+VF)

89 I think Cruz will both say and do things that both annoy and please-much like many other Republicans. No politician is perfect.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 03:42 PM (+0VWg)

90 Oh Sandy, the country is rising behind us...

Posted by: klaftern at July 21, 2019 03:42 PM (RuIsu)

91 a lazy assumption among the media

They're not lazy they're preachers of a foreign religion.




Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2019 03:42 PM (FhXTo)

92 Oddly maybe, haven't been on a Ferris wheel since I was a kid, was afraid of it the couple of times I was. But now love to fly, and go on lifts all the time, even been in a crane bucket to set a cross at a church. So moral of the story is guess I need to try one again.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 03:43 PM (BbGew)

93

The "Media" is not in the business of providing accurate information, but the contrary, really.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 21, 2019 03:43 PM (wDxkW)

94 Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 03:41 PM (qc+VF)

LOL. You might hope that. I don't. Shows up at your door, I mean. She's married and I wouldn't like her husband to come beat you over the head-or her-with a baseball bat.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 03:44 PM (+0VWg)

95 Sure, the lion's share of the Dems campaign cash, even The so-called small contributions, come from six deep blue cities. But as long as there is an electoral college, they still have to hoodwink a lot of people from other states to vote Democratic.

Also, for some reason this has not received much coverage, but Ted Cruz told The Hill on Friday that he thinks Trump's chances of reelection are 50/50, and that there could be massive Democratic turnout due to their anger.

Posted by: mercenary13 at July 21, 2019 03:44 PM (fvMOw)

96 My new political party's main priority: balancing the budget of the United States on the backs of SOB's who violate the do not call list.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at July 21, 2019 03:44 PM (HumTc)

97 2020 Iowa Democratic Caucus:

Biden 24%
Sanders 19%
Warren 17%
Harris 16%
Buttigieg 7%
Klobuchar 4%
Booker 3%
Castro 2%
Steyer 2%
O'Rourke 1%

Posted by: Ha at July 21, 2019 03:44 PM (MAstk)

98 2020 New Hampshire Democratic Primary:

Biden 27%
Sanders 20%
Warren 18%
Harris 12%
Buttigieg 7%
Gabbard 2%
O'Rourke 2%
Klobuchar 1%

Posted by: Ha at July 21, 2019 03:45 PM (MAstk)

99

Wang does not even register anymore?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 21, 2019 03:46 PM (wDxkW)

100 Because laughter is the best revenge:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/07/ the-week-in-pictures-mod-squad-edition.php

((remove space))

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 03:46 PM (kQs4Y)

101 LOL. You might hope that. I don't. Shows up at your door, I mean. She's married and I wouldn't like her husband to come beat you over the head-or her-with a baseball bat.

Well, I imagine you don't for other reasons too but the point is that I don't really have to worry about it. Besides, he's a pitcher; he doesn't know what to do with a bat.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 03:47 PM (qc+VF)

102 30 Well, Cruz barely won reelection in Texas. He almost got knocked off by a guy who nationally is an asterisk. So it's not like Cruz is a political genius.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 21, 2019 02:50 PM (H5knJ)


That $60 million dumped into Beto's campaign didn't hurt a bit.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 03:47 PM (jQI/A)

103 74 You do know that it is not just McConnell who is doing the budget busting right It takes three for that tango.
Posted by The Great White Scotsman at July 21, 2019

Yeah, but he is a big player in getting it done. He has leverage.

Per the Conservative Review of July 16
McConnell surrenders the most important budget fight of Trumps presidency before it begins



Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at July 21, 2019 03:48 PM (zeg38)

104 How does one remove space?

Posted by: A Very Confused Mr Spock at July 21, 2019 03:48 PM (jY3BZ)

105 Besides, he's a pitcher; he doesn't know what to do with a bat.
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Babe Ruth sure did.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at July 21, 2019 03:48 PM (iB1oa)

106 Also, for some reason this has not received much coverage, but Ted Cruz told The Hill on Friday that he thinks Trump's chances of reelection are 50/50, and that there could be massive Democratic turnout due to their anger.
Posted by: mercenary13 at July 21, 2

Obviously, he's been in DC too long.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 03:49 PM (BLFnH)

107 C-130's, gotta love 'em. Flew from Tegucigalpa (sp?) on the west coast of Honduras to a little seaside village on the east coast, landing on a short, bulldozed strip with a freaking hump in the middle. amazing plane, amazing pilots.

141's flying nap of the earth are great fun, too.

Posted by: Gooshy at July 21, 2019 03:49 PM (8YHp/)

108 Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 03:47 PM (qc+VF)

He probably knows where to get a bat. And anyway, being beaten until bloody and unconscious with a pitcher's mitt doesn't sound like a good way to go either.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 03:49 PM (+0VWg)

109 104 How does one remove space?
Posted by: A Very Confused Mr Spock at July 21, 2019 03:48 PM (jY3BZ)
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Tesseracts, baby!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 03:50 PM (kQs4Y)

110
Ted Cruz told The Hill on Friday that he thinks Trump's chances of reelection are 50/50, and that there could be massive Democratic turnout due to their anger.
Posted by: mercenary13



He said the exact same thing on the new "Firing Line" this week with that fake journalist margaret hoover.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 21, 2019 03:50 PM (wDxkW)

111 there could be massive Democratic turnout due to their anger.

Well, maybe; I don't Trump voters are exactly happy campers-not about him but about the dastardly Dems.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 21, 2019 03:50 PM (+0VWg)

112 How does one remove space?
Posted by: A Very Confused Mr Spock at July 21, 2019 03:48 PM (jY3BZ)


Reverse the flow through the dilithium crystals.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 03:51 PM (qc+VF)

113 106 Also, for some reason this has not received much coverage, but Ted Cruz told The Hill on Friday that he thinks Trump's chances of reelection are 50/50, and that there could be massive Democratic turnout due to their anger.
Posted by: mercenary13 at July 21, 2

Obviously, he's been in DC too long.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 03:49 PM (BLFnH)


The best way to turn out the vote is to tell them they have already won.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 03:52 PM (jQI/A)

114 Kate has a daughter. So the overnight bag is full of diapers.

Posted by: DaveA at July 21, 2019 03:53 PM (FhXTo)

115 It MUST be said that if you want to provide "free health care for illegal aliens", you want to give away the store to...around 7 billion people. (Well, if stupid considerations like citizenship are no object...)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 03:54 PM (u0f7+)

116 104 How does one remove space?

Posted by: A Very Confused Mr Spock at July 21, 2019 03:48 PM (jY3BZ)

Copy and paste the URL into your browser line. You'll either see an empty space, which you delete or something like this where the space is %20%. Delete that. Then hit enter.

Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2019 03:54 PM (cF8AT)

117 every flying p-51, b-29 "doc" c-130, f-35, a-10, b-17, b-25, british mosquito, all going to be inoshkosh this week. should be a good show.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 21, 2019 03:56 PM (KP5rU)

118 Also, for some reason this has not received much coverage, but Ted Cruz told The Hill on Friday that he thinks Trump's chances of reelection are 50/50, and that there could be massive Democratic turnout due to their anger.

Posted by: mercenary13 at July 21, 2019 03:44 PM

Probably a good reminder to the base to not get complacent like Hillary and her supporters did in 2016.

Everyone underestimated Donald Trump and his support in 2016. It would be wise for President Trump and his supporters to not underestimate anyone on the Democrat side in 2020.

The good news is that hopefully this time around, Donald Trump will not have to deal with the government agencies spying on him and trying to undermine his campaign every step of the way.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at July 21, 2019 03:56 PM (7A4qQ)

119 113 106 Also, for some reason this has not received much coverage, but Ted Cruz told The Hill on Friday that he thinks Trump's chances of reelection are 50/50, and that there could be massive Democratic turnout due to their anger.
Posted by: mercenary13 at July 21, 2

Obviously, he's been in DC too long.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 03:49 PM (BLFnH)


The best way to turn out the vote is to tell them they have already won.

Mr. Cruz is correct in this sense: he clearly hates complacency.

I hate to say this, but we HAVE to actually HOLD the election. It's like a double-checking mechanism, just in case all the speculation is wrong. We do the same thing in sports: games actually DO get played just in case Vegas or other prognosticators and smart people are WRONG.

So, just in case we are all wrong, and Mr. Trump is doomed, I say, just for the hell of it, let's go ahead and hold the election, and let's all VOTE, just to be sure. Do not EVER think Trump has it in the bag because you think he is the greatest President, EVER.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 03:59 PM (u0f7+)

120 Mosquitos are my favorite British WWII aircraft, someone is working on making up the plans to recreate a new one. All the patterns were lost after the war.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 03:59 PM (BbGew)

121 104 How does one remove space?
Posted by: A Very Confused Mr Spock at July 21, 2019 03:48 PM (jY3BZ)
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How can you mend a broken heart?

Posted by: The BeeGees at July 21, 2019 03:59 PM (v4v6L)

122 Reverse the flow through the dilithium crystals.

Ah kint git no pewer, Keptain!

Posted by: Zombie Scotty at July 21, 2019 03:59 PM (EgshT)

123 (resisting temptation... Tami is nice 'ette)

Posted by: Mirror Universe Polite Spock at July 21, 2019 03:59 PM (jY3BZ)

124 Just read where Thor will be portrayed by Natalie Portman in Thor: Love and Thunder. Wonder if they asked Stan Lee his opinion of the bastardization of his iconic characters?

Posted by: Ever at July 21, 2019 04:00 PM (kkVtg)

125
Stan Lee turned imbecile in his last years.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 21, 2019 04:02 PM (wDxkW)

126 21 104 How does one remove space?
Posted by: A Very Confused Mr Spock at July 21, 2019 03:48 PM (jY3BZ)
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How can you mend a broken heart?
Posted by: The BeeGees at July 21, 2019 03:59 PM

Can you turn back time?

Posted by: Cher at July 21, 2019 04:02 PM (dm05u)

127 68 I really think the GOP should keep pushing lower and simpler taxes but have a populist bent to go after the billionaires and foundations.

I'd love to see the Soros, Gates, Zuckerbergs, etc squeal about higher taxes and not getting all their tax dodges.

Basically every billionaire is a committed leftist, even the Kochs I would say might as well be liberals also. Give them the higher taxes they pretend to want.
Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 03:23 PM (UfkIY)

If I wanted to punish people for being successful, I'd vote for that idiot Bernie.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 04:02 PM (u0f7+)

128 Former gangsta running for AOC's seat....

Antoine Tucker@montaga

If you want to defeat @AOC and the #stupiditySquad you need me http://TUCKER.vote not only will I beat AOC I'll flip NY red!!

https://tinyurl.com/y2cu82cn

Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2019 04:02 PM (cF8AT)

129 Just read where Thor will be portrayed by Natalie Portman in Thor: Love and Thunder. Wonder if they asked Stan Lee his opinion of the bastardization of his iconic characters?

Meh. Pretty sure this or something like it happened in the comics under Stan Lee's watch. Various Thor's, Iron Men, etc. gotta have something to fill up the pages every month.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at July 21, 2019 04:03 PM (HumTc)

130 88 (And for all y'alls bellyaching about Cruz, you forget Cornyn is a much bigger problem, and he is up for re-election next year. I'm hoping someone with some conservative credentials can actually primary him next year so we can have a chance.)

And I'm hoping Kate Upton shows up at my door with pizza, beer, and an overnight bag. I'd guess our chances are about equal.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 03:41 PM (qc+VF)

And in both cases a boy can dream.

(But let me remind you that Mr. Cruz won a near impossible race against Mr. Dewhurst back in 2012. For which everyone should be thankful: Mr. Dewhurst would be wallowing in swamp water if he won that year. From the word go.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 04:05 PM (u0f7+)

131 Tomato vs Corn Smackdown

NOOD

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2019 04:06 PM (v4v6L)

132 Missed a first by that ( ) much but Food Nood is up.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 04:06 PM (BbGew)

133 Ted Cruz told The Hill on Friday that he thinks Trump's chances of reelection are 50/50, and that there could be massive Democratic turnout due to their anger.

I don't think there's much anger among blue-collar Dems. Unless it's at their party, for turning against them.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 21, 2019 04:06 PM (naEeR)

134 First Dem lie of the day:

https://twitter.com/liberty_grl/status/
1152731672523288577

Second Dem lie of the day:

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/
1152609995575328771

Posted by: andycanuck at July 21, 2019 04:07 PM (Dh1wo)

135 Natalie Portman lost her smokin hot looks after Black Swan. Pity, that.

Posted by: Gooshy at July 21, 2019 04:09 PM (8YHp/)

136 Tami, I like that guy, but do we really want neck tats in congress?

On second thought, we aren't doing much better now. If only we could harness the energy from the founding fathers spinning.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 04:11 PM (BLFnH)

137 So, just in case we are all wrong, and Mr. Trump is doomed, I say, just for the hell of it, let's go ahead and hold the election, and let's all VOTE, just to be sure. Do not EVER think Trump has it in the bag because you think he is the greatest President, EVER.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 03:59 PM

THIS. Exactly.

Everyone who reads this site and who has followed politics long enough knows that no election is ever a sure thing.

From the media lies and smears of Republicans to the massive amounts of money from Democrat donors to the massive amounts of free campaign ads from celebrities and Hollywood to the massive amount of voter fraud all across the country in favor of Democrats... the Left is always going 100% to steal elections.

Didn't Donald Trump win some typically Blue States to win in 2016? MI (16) and WI (10) could be flipped back to BLUE. That would put the Electoral College at 280-to-258. Flip Florida Blue and the Democrat candidate wins.

Trump won FL 49.0-to-47.8
Trump won MI 47.5-to-47.27
Trump won WI 47.22-to-46.45

If those 3 states went the other way, we would be in the middle of a Hillary Clinton Administration right now.

And that's assuming every other State stayed the same.

2020 *may* end up a blowout at the Electoral College for President Trump if he wins all the same States again, but every single State is going to be ripe for the Democrats to steal and flip the election their way.

Complacency and overconfidence by President Trump supporters is a sure path to Democrat victory. Ted Cruz is wise to wake people up to that fact now.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at July 21, 2019 04:12 PM (7A4qQ)

138 Tami, I like that guy, but do we really want neck tats in congress?

On second thought, we aren't doing much better now. If only we could harness the energy from the founding fathers spinning.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 04:11 PM (BLFnH)

I'll take neck tats over those beotches any day.

Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2019 04:14 PM (cF8AT)

139 (But let me remind you that Mr. Cruz won a near impossible race against Mr. Dewhurst back in 2012. For which everyone should be thankful: Mr. Dewhurst would be wallowing in swamp water if he won that year. From the word go.)

True on all counts but I don't see another Cruz-like upstart on the scene. Also, Dewhurst, despite being the heir apparent, wasn't an incumbent. Realistically, I just don't see Cornyn getting dislodged until he's ready to go on his own.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 04:16 PM (qc+VF)

140 It is crass and uncouth to criticize wealth.

Posted by: Jeb Bush at July 21, 2019 04:17 PM (5fSr7)

141 Also, did you see where Abortion Barbie is apparently going to run for Chip Roy's seat? Hasn't been officially announced yet but she's scheduled for some big DNC event where it's assumed she will announce. Go long on pink sneakers.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 04:19 PM (qc+VF)

142 122 Ah kint git no pewer, Keptain!

Reverse the polarity, it works every time.

Posted by: Every Fan at July 21, 2019 04:22 PM (zeg38)

143 True on all counts but I don't see another Cruz-like upstart on the scene. Also, Dewhurst, despite being the heir apparent, wasn't an incumbent. Realistically, I just don't see Cornyn getting dislodged until he's ready to go on his own.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 04:16 PM (qc+VF)

I likewise don't see an upstart who will take on Cornyn in the primaries. As I said, a boy can dream. As for Mr. Dewhurst, no, he was no incumbent, but he was in the most politically powerful office in the state (that of Lt Gov) and had major advantages to go with that (such as name recognition). Mr. Cruz, on the other hand, was...a solicitor-general. Not exactly a household name. That year I voted for Cruz just to stick it to Dewhurst as much as anything else, and have been pleasantly surprised since.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 04:30 PM (u0f7+)

144 141 Also, did you see where Abortion Barbie is apparently going to run for Chip Roy's seat? Hasn't been officially announced yet but she's scheduled for some big DNC event where it's assumed she will announce. Go long on pink sneakers.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 04:19 PM (qc+VF

You know, I don't know what to think of that. Miss Pink Sneakers has name recognition and will undoubtedly drive the Statists/Socialists to the polls, but as we saw in 2014, she's a one-trick pony and is a lousy campaigner. She couldn't even keep her TX Senate seat (which dutifully went back to the Dems in 201. She's going to have to do more than support abortion as a cure for any and all things and wearing pretty pink sneakers (which I bet look great on TV but are horrible if she actually intends to run in them).

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 04:34 PM (u0f7+)

145 The TX-02 PVI is R+11.

Good luck with THAT, Barbie!

I realize it was close last time, but 1) there was no incumbent & 2) 2018 was not a POTUS year, so turnout was a lot lower.

Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 04:59 PM (Cssks)

146 Neck tats are for convicts

Posted by: Ramon at July 21, 2019 05:08 PM (QHLc6)

147 Hodan Nalayeh is not coming back from her beloved Somalia.

Posted by: Ramon at July 21, 2019 05:17 PM (QHLc6)

148 How have all of these disgusting Stalinist, or more likely Maoist, billionaires positioned themselves to be above criticism? Mostly by owning the messengers, but what about all of that unseemly foreign influence that they're shamelessly addicted to?

Posted by: ErikInTexas at July 21, 2019 05:24 PM (f/ass)

149 Basic Pickling Liquid:

1 quart of white vinegar (5%)
1 cup water
1/2 cup of pickling salt

Make whatever pickled stuff from this. My favorite with beer is:

Slice of onion (preferably vidalia), clove of garlic, cayenne pepper (fresh), jalapeno pepper (fresh), and as many raw okra that you can stack in the jar.

Submerge canning jar in boiling water for 10 minutes (pints or quarts). Let cool. Mark the contents on the lid with date. Six weeks minimum until opening.

Posted by: The Guy at July 21, 2019 06:00 PM (QB1Hx)

150 "Basic Pickling Liquid:"

you forgot the vodka

Posted by: Hillary at July 21, 2019 06:18 PM (UdKB7)

151
Paul Sperry @paulsperry_
2h
BREAKING: Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment has until Thursday to turn over to the Senate all records related to CIA/FBI spy Stef Halper's suspicious $1 mil contracts, which include 3 trips to London in 2016 & interviews with "former Russian diplomats and intelligence officers"

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 21, 2019 06:33 PM (BqBId)

152 Look at all the wealthy democrats Al Gore the Kennedy's Etc it take a lot of cash to be a politician these days

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at July 21, 2019 06:50 PM (FLiOE)

153 If you want to hit the leftist tech douche just raise the capital gains taxes on stock options to over the rate of ordinary income.

Posted by: Bill C at July 21, 2019 07:06 PM (HqPBH)

154 If it wasn't for me putting the squeeze on those chumps from the Ukraine, Hunter wouldn't have a pot to piss in either.

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 21, 2019 07:15 PM (2Ia/C)

155 Can someone please inform Kevin McCarthy, and Mitch McConnell they are not the party of the wealthy.

Posted by: Quilp at July 21, 2019 08:45 PM (Bf3hj)

Oh Goody! Another Debt-Busting Budget Deal, This Time Courtesy Of The Usual Suspects: Everyone In DC

This is one of the things that worried me about President Trump; his comfort with huge amounts of debt. That's the way real estate works, and he was better than most at playing the game. At first I entertained the naive hope that with a booming economy and even a cursory attempt at budget control we would be able to grow our way out of the spiraling deficits that have become the new normal.

Clearly that isn't going to happen: Hey...nobody said I was smart.

'Indistinguishable from Democrats': Daniel Horowitz tells Mark Levin what's behind Republicans' debt-exploding budget deal

Horowitz explained that the current spending levels are the result of the budget deals that congressional Republicans cut during the last session of Congress, “and now they’re looking for a repeat performance” in the current spending debate. They appear ready to hand Speaker Nancy Pelosi a debt-exploding deal that suspends the debt limit, busts spending caps, and “give away the president’s leverage on the border.”
Read the article...it's the usual gang of craven and shortsighted politicians who simply don't care about the future financial health of the country. Government spending has become so ridiculous that I wonder whether they are still trying to buy votes! How many voters actually pull the lever for the incumbent because he voted for some pork? Spending is out of control on all fronts, so how do people recognize directed spending vs. the background abomination that is the federal budget?

It reminds me of watching a chain smoker; lighting one cigarette from the stub of the previous one, never enjoying it but driven by his addiction to the process.

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Posted by: Big Star at July 21, 2019 12:16 PM (nb8+g)

2 The inevitability of the debt crash.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum) at July 21, 2019 12:16 PM (l7Kbv)

3 th

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 21, 2019 12:20 PM (BqBId)

4 IN regards to the weather this past week: I think the great 20th Century Philosopher Beavis said it best when he said "Butthead this SUCKS, Make it STOP"

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 21, 2019 12:20 PM (BqBId)

5 I can't blame Trump for this. Republicans have been spending like Democrats for a long time. They just have different priorities and pet constituencies.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 12:22 PM (sdi6R)

6 This subject is why I wonder why we have Federal Taxes. What's the point when we finance most of the budget anyway? I know that politicos use taxes and subsidies as a way to control behavior, but in the aggregate if debt doesn't matter neither should revenue.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 12:23 PM (r+sAi)

7 It's OK we'll just print more money!!
- AOC

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 12:23 PM (FiUMj)

8 The Romans used decimation to put some backbone into troops, and Sulla used proscription to rally the lazy self-indulgent upper classes.

Are the lessons of Rome applicable here?

Posted by: Huck Follywood, coffee in hand at July 21, 2019 12:23 PM (cyuo5)

9

Hey, it worked for Zimbabwe.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 12:24 PM (aKsyK)

10 Now I want a Cigarette.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:24 PM (yE4ie)

11 Once you hit DC, whatever your good intentions are, you get sucked into other people's money spending.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 12:25 PM (BbGew)

12 Now I want a Cigarette.
That'll be 4 bitcoins.

Posted by: Inflation Master at July 21, 2019 12:25 PM (r+sAi)

13 First line in the new Federal Budget should be a Remittance Tax of 95%.

Followed by about 50 lines of Welfare Reform.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:26 PM (yE4ie)

14 Now I want a Cigarette.


Running drugs?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 12:26 PM (fuK7c)

15 >>Once you hit DC, whatever your good intentions are, you get sucked into other people's money spending.


You can't take your cut of Zero Dollars Spent.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:27 PM (yE4ie)

16 Part of the problem I think is we've had people screaming about the debt for 30 years. Ross Perot got 20% of the vote twice on the matter. People kind of shrug their shoulders now. And anyone who points out that the debt situation is unsustainable is tuned out by the masses because they've been hearing about a debt bomb all their lives and it has never happened.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 12:27 PM (FiUMj)

17 Meh, the debt is never going to decrease, and no one outside of a small percentage of white men - whom no one is going to listen to - are ever going to ask for government spending to decrease, or even to stop *increasing* quite so fast.

Unfunded liabilities will eventually become never-paid-out "we took the liberty of bullshitting you" non-liabilities, and the tears will be delicious.

The only question is which factor breaks up the US first: financial collapse, or demographic balkanization. Either way, figure 15 years, maybe 20 tops. Possibly much less.

Posted by: John Bradley at July 21, 2019 12:29 PM (2ZZVu)

18 "How many voters actually pull the lever for the incumbent because he voted for some pork?"

There must be something to it, since many politicians have made huge careers out of it.

Sure as hell voters will vote for the other guy if the first guy cuts the pork that's already there.

Posted by: MW at July 21, 2019 12:29 PM (hNTtn)

19 5 I can't blame Trump for this. Republicans have been spending like Democrats for a long time. They just have different priorities and pet constituencies.
..

Yep.

It's yet another thing the GOPe lies about.

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 12:29 PM (MAstk)

20 My one small thought about the deficit/national debt is that it will require something like "the military base closing commission" to address the problem. Remember that?

It took a bipartisan buy-in, & delegation of Congressional authority to the commission, to make VERY unpopular decisions. Once the commission made its decisions to close military bases, Congress could've overridden the commission, but did not.

To do something like that again, only on a vastly bigger scale, a crisis would probably be a necessary condition precedent.

Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 12:29 PM (Cssks)

21 If interest rates ever go up, hoo boy. Of course Teh Fed has a large amount of control of this, until it doesn't.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 12:30 PM (r+sAi)

22 How many voters actually pull the lever for the incumbent because he voted for some pork?
_____

It worked for Robert Byrd. I'm not sure how many are "craven and shortsighted". Many are doing what they went to Washington to do. And they get praised for "governing" and "doing the people's business" and crap like that.

Of course, there are turncoats, too. Paul Ryan first arose as someone who would fight it. That worked great, didn't it? In a sense, we're better off with McTurtle, who at least knows what he's doing.

The best thing we could do is adopt the Shirley Jackson solution. An annual lottery of the 535 members of the two houses. The one chosen will be stoned by taxpayers on April 15th, every year. Might not actually fix anything, but it'd be fun.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 12:31 PM (VaN/j)

23 P.S. I think people will wake up when Social Security benefits start being cut. And that's no surprise: every letter I've ever gotten from Social Security says right up front in the boilerplate: "These benefits are no guarantee of future benefits." They have the right to cut them if they think it's necessary, and say as much.

Posted by: MW at July 21, 2019 12:31 PM (hNTtn)

24 >>If interest rates ever go up, hoo boy.


If they don't, this whole 'recovery' is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:31 PM (yE4ie)

25 the only way to reduce debt is to attack entitlements. they won't. trump campaigned on not touching soc. sec. & medicare and most likely would have lost had he intended otherwise.

i gave up on being a fiscal hawk back in the bush II years.

i read somewhere that servicing the debt is already in the hundreds of billions and will reach a trillion in around a decade. something like that.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 12:32 PM (Pg+x7)

26 18 "How many voters actually pull the lever for the incumbent because he voted for some pork?"

There must be something to it, since many politicians have made huge careers out of it.

Sure as hell voters will vote for the other guy if the first guy cuts the pork that's already there.
Posted by: MW at July 21, 2019 12:29 PM (hNTtn)

____

There is an air force base in by district. The last 2 election cycles all the incumbent's ads mentioned how hard she fought to keep the base open. And in 2018 the challenger to the incumbent was a state legislator whose ads all mentioned how much money she got to her district from the state.

Pork wins elections, no doubt about it.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 12:32 PM (FiUMj)

27 The Fed is going to cut rates at the next meeting.

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 12:32 PM (MAstk)

28 Painting of the Horde.

https://bit.ly/2JRgB66

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 12:32 PM (+y/Ru)

29 Clinton admin. guaranteeed that anyone under the age of 30 (in 1992-4 or so, I forget) was NOT going to receive their benefits.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:33 PM (yE4ie)

30 8 The Romans used decimation to put some backbone into troops, and Sulla used proscription to rally the lazy self-indulgent upper classes.

Are the lessons of Rome applicable here?
Posted by: Huck Follywood, coffee in hand at July 21, 2019 12:23 PM (cyuo5)
________

You and I (#22) are on the same page here.

I'm not letting Trump off the hook entirely. He's not the ultimate cause, but he DID promise he wouldn't let it happen again. He needs to at least offer some resistance.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 12:33 PM (VaN/j)

31 Now I want a Cigarette.
Running drugs?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 12:26 PM

Probably worse than that, loosies

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 12:34 PM (BbGew)

32 How many fingers am I holding up now, Winston?

I want the budget to go so far down the rabbit hole that they can never get it out of the red. I used to care about such things but my fellow Americans seem not to so fuck it. I want medicare and Social Security Ponzi for all, RV's and Harleys for all the old farts who still think they are teenagers and free kollege for all the utes in the Young Pioneers. Land of the Freebies and Home of the Broke Ass.

Serves us right for being so selfish, short sighted, stupid and voting for Santa Marx.

As the government ponzi check hits my checking account, I have won the battle against myself. I have learned to love Big Debt.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 12:34 PM (Z+IKu)

33 Clearly that isn't going to happen: Hey...nobody said I was smart.

Of course you are. No one bats 1.000.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:34 PM (YqDXo)

34 I'm not letting Trump off the hook entirely. He's not the ultimate cause, but he DID promise he wouldn't let it happen again. He needs to at least offer some resistance.
..

Then we have another worthless govt shutdown that T gets blamed for.

We saw this last winter. The Dems never get the blame. Then at some point the GOP caves and Pelosi gets what she wants anyways.

Lose-lose.

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 12:35 PM (MAstk)

35 23 P.S. I think people will wake up when Social Security benefits start being cut. And that's no surprise: every letter I've ever gotten from Social Security says right up front in the boilerplate: "These benefits are no guarantee of future benefits." They have the right to cut them if they think it's necessary, and say as much.
Posted by: MW at July 21, 2019 12:31 PM (hNTtn)
_______

Not a problem. Soylent Gray is Boomers.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 12:35 PM (VaN/j)

36 Batman seduces Catwoman.

https://bit.ly/2Y7sUQG

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 12:36 PM (+y/Ru)

37 The budget deficit & Social Security deficit are 2 different problems, & SSA is much easier to fix.

Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 12:36 PM (Cssks)

38 The debt will never be repaid. They go through the motions to try to convince as many people as possible that the financial system isnt smoke and mirrors -- but it is. One day the merry-go-round will stop, but it wont stop just in the USA, the whole world will be hit and the entire global economy will change. Congress will never stop it.

Posted by: Revenant at July 21, 2019 12:37 PM (bD2Jh)

39 Posted by: MW at July 21, 2019 12:31 PM (hNTtn)


It's guaranteed they will take your money but not guaranteed they will give it back.

It's a safety-net!

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 12:37 PM (MAstk)

40 BTW, my wife recently told me the original model for Catwoman was Hedy Lamarr. That beauty than which no greater can be conceived.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 12:37 PM (VaN/j)

41 The Romans used decimation to put some backbone into troops, and Sulla used proscription to rally the lazy self-indulgent upper classes.

He also used it to raise cash, because those on the proscription lists were executed and forfeited their wealth to the state.

Say, anyone seen George Soros around?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:38 PM (YqDXo)

42 The conventional wisdom was that Congress would NEVER close all those military bases, but they did.

Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 12:38 PM (Cssks)

43 Posted by: Revenant at July 21, 2019 12:37 PM (bD2Jh)

Yep.

We are running trillion dollar deficits with 3+% growth.

Insanity.

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 12:39 PM (MAstk)

44 hedy lamarr?

julie newmar was something special. & also a genius.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 12:39 PM (Pg+x7)

45 ... (newmar invented and patented a kind of spanx back in the '70s).

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 12:40 PM (Pg+x7)

46 I agree this is a "defect" of Trump conservatism. He doesn't give a damn about spending.

I really don't think anything serious is going to be done until it's a real crisis.

I'll say this though, I don't think voters care about the issue and I think the debt can be kicked down the road for another generation or two and Trump realizes this and just wants to get reelected.

It's far more important Trump get reelected and appoint more judges than token reforms that maybe cut 1% off discretionary spending.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 12:41 PM (UfkIY)

47 23 P.S. I think people will wake up when Social Security benefits start being cut. And that's no surprise: every letter I've ever gotten from Social Security says right up front in the boilerplate: "These benefits are no guarantee of future benefits." They have the right to cut them if they think it's necessary, and say as much.

Posted by: MW at July 21, 2019 12:31 PM (hNTtn)


From what I've read, Social Security is fixable (raising the retirement age, means testing, etc.), but Medicare isn't. Medicare is unsustainable as it is today; "Medicare For All" would probably require a Third World standard of health care.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 12:41 PM (sdi6R)

48 debt for the future? Well one good point...I will be dead

Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 21, 2019 12:42 PM (85Gof)

49 Are the lessons of Rome applicable here?
Posted by: Huck Follywood, coffee in hand at July 21, 2019 12:23 PM (cyuo5)

Yeah. Rome fell.

Once you realize that in any country that has a debt based financial system you can never pay off the debt, you can come to the understanding that the entire purpose of the Federal Government and, now, the State Governments is to borrow more money into existence. The Romans did this, but they were able to go out an conquer other entities so they could just steal the interest from them. We're more "woke" than the Romans, so we just place the debt onto the peasants. The system will default some day. The scum in DC and your State Capitols are just trying to time it so they're no longer there when the SHTF. Maybe that's why we're seeing so many retirements?

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 21, 2019 12:42 PM (m79Dg)

50 44 hedy lamarr?

julie newmar was something special. & also a genius.
Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 12:39 PM (Pg+x7)
_______

Hedy's #1, but Julie was special too. The very first Playboy I ever saw had a pictorial of her (she was much hotter than the centerfold.) One picture has remained with me, always.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 12:42 PM (VaN/j)

51 Obligatory:

That's Hedley!

Funny how that never gets old.


Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 12:42 PM (aurSP)

52 In this case, I think I'll practice the subtle art of not giving a f*ck.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at July 21, 2019 12:42 PM (H8QX8)

53 BTW, my wife recently told me the original model for Catwoman was Hedy Lamarr. That beauty than which no greater can be conceived.
Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 12:37 PM (VaN/j)


And smart with it. She (with a co-inventor, IIRC) invented frequency-hopping as a way of preventing the jamming of torpedoes. The electronics of the time couldn't implement her invention, but frequency-hopping is used routinely now.

You'd have thought Hedda Hopper would have thought of it first...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:42 PM (YqDXo)

54 Think of the debt as refinancing a house in perpetuity. It will never be paid off.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 12:43 PM (FiUMj)

55 I forgot to mention that Hedy was apparently the model for the first comic book Catwoman. Long before it made it to a screen. Anyway, that's what my wife tells me.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 12:44 PM (VaN/j)

56 The problem is that every time the Republicans "reform" taxes they crow about how many people they've taken off the tax rolls. Too many people in this country get from Uncle Sugar but don't contribute.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at July 21, 2019 12:44 PM (xQfPr)

57 52 In this case, I think I'll practice the subtle art of not giving a f*ck.
..

That's my newly adopted position.

Although I do, greatly.

But *no one* will do what needs to be done.

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 12:44 PM (MAstk)

58 56 The problem is that every time the Republicans "reform" taxes they crow about how many people they've taken off the tax rolls. Too many people in this country get from Uncle Sugar but don't contribute.
Posted by: Laughing in Texas at July 21, 2019 12:44 PM (xQfPr)

___

Dubya started this stupidity.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 12:45 PM (FiUMj)

59 Yay me!

I made delicious migas for brunch.


Satisfied tummies all around.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2019 12:45 PM (2EMYr)

60 The debt will never be repaid. They go through the motions to try to convince as many people as possible that the financial system isnt smoke and mirrors -- but it is. One day the merry-go-round will stop, but it wont stop just in the USA, the whole world will be hit and the entire global economy will change. Congress will never stop it.
Posted by: Revenant at July 21, 2019 12:37 PM (bD2Jh)


The only way out, short of frank collapse: to inflate the bejesus out of the currency.

"OK, we owe you $10,000,000,000. Here ya go. That'll buy a loaf of bread now. I dunno, maybe two."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:45 PM (YqDXo)

61 And the Social Security withholding they have confiscated, without my permission, since I was 15? Lucky if I see a dime.

*spit*

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 12:46 PM (BLFnH)

62 From what I've read, Social Security is fixable (raising the retirement age, means testing, etc.), but Medicare isn't. Medicare is unsustainable as it is today; "Medicare For All" would probably require a Third World standard of health care.
Posted by: rickl

____________

Yea, Social Security could be fixed pretty easily, at least for everyone here to get their full benefits. It's probably going to be something both sides don't like, raise payroll tax cap and the age of eligibility. They also need to cut the disability nonsense.

MediCare is the big issue that needs real reforms, something like a voucher system

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 12:46 PM (UfkIY)

63 56 The problem is that every time the Republicans "reform" taxes they crow about how many people they've taken off the tax rolls. Too many people in this country get from Uncle Sugar but don't contribute.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at July 21, 2019 12:44 PM (xQfPr)


Exactly! I remember seeing an article in the Bush 43 years that said that. So his tax cuts had the effect of ensuring that fewer voters even give a shit about taxes.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 12:47 PM (sdi6R)

64 The only way out, short of frank collapse: to inflate the bejesus out of the currency.

"OK, we owe you $10,000,000,000. Here ya go. That'll buy a loaf of bread now. I dunno, maybe two."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

______________

The thing is, most of the "debt" are entitlements you can't inflate away. Things like Social Security are tied to inflation rates.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 12:47 PM (UfkIY)

65 When I lived in Europe the leftists had some ridiculous pie-in-the-sky program (you're astonished, I know) and to be fair, a reportertte asked the leading leftist proponent how he'd pay for the program.

"Easy - we'll borrow the money!" he chirped, apparently not grasping the distinction between paying for the program and financing the program.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:48 PM (YqDXo)

66 Yea, Social Security could be fixed pretty easily, at least for everyone here to get their full benefits. It's probably going to be something both sides don't like, raise payroll tax cap and the age of eligibility. They also need to cut the disability nonsense.

___

Raise the cap without raising the benefits for those who pay more. Awesome!! But this will only affect rich old white guys so it's all good.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 12:49 PM (FiUMj)

67 Honestly, it's this kind of stupid shit that makes me think about investing in bitcoin.

And bitcoin is a literal nothing. Worse than the Great Tulip Balloon. At least, you got a snazzy garden outta that.

A round of "go fuck yourself"s for the members of Congress.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2019 12:49 PM (2EMYr)

68 Probably worse than that, loosies
Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 12:34 PM (BbGew)

Punishable by summary execution!

Posted by: NYPD at July 21, 2019 12:49 PM (NWiLs)

69 A nation that doesn't even have real budgets for its departments and agencies doesn't give a damn about deficits and debt.

The national debt? That ship has sailed son and it ain't ever coming back.

You might as well find something else to fret about.

This ain't it chief.

Posted by: weirdflunky at July 21, 2019 12:50 PM (cknjq)

70 "OK, we owe you $10,000,000,000. Here ya go. That'll buy a loaf of bread now. I dunno, maybe two."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Zimbabwe bucks.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 12:50 PM (NWiLs)

71 The thing is, most of the "debt" are entitlements you can't inflate away. Things like Social Security are tied to inflation rates.
Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 12:47 PM (UfkIY)


That's true. Also, after a while, lenders get leery about lending money because of the inflation threat, since they don't want to be paid off in funny money, or if they will, they demand an exorbitant interest rate.

Cue "quantitative easing," where we lent ourselves money because the Chinese snapped their checkbook shut.

I like the idea of lending yourself money. Btw, I'm now a billionaire, as I loaned myself a billion dollars on some very generous terms.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:51 PM (YqDXo)

72 Remember when

that financial genius Paul Ryan, he with his 75 year plan to balance the budget, couldn't round up enough votes from fiscally conservative Repubs to pass the yearly spending bills so he gave the DEMS moar money than they asked for to get the bills passed with big Dem votes?

Cuz I do.

And Mitch ain't no better.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 21, 2019 12:51 PM (Z4rgH)

73 Zimbabwe bucks.
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 12:50 PM (NWiLs)


Exactly. I used to have a zillion Zimbabwean dollar bill. I forget how many zeroes were on it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:52 PM (YqDXo)

74 Raise the cap without raising the benefits for those who pay more. Awesome!! But this will only affect rich old white guys so it's all good.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker

__________

Yea, pretty much.

It always has been a welfare program and not a real pension.

The people that contribute very little make out like gangbusters, the people that max it out get something like a 1% rate of return on their money.

The average American would probably retire with 7 figures if they could drop that money in the S&P500 instead.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 12:53 PM (UfkIY)

75 28 Painting of the Horde.

https://bit.ly/2JRgB66
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 12:32 PM

KINKS !!!

Posted by: Heirloominati at July 21, 2019 12:53 PM (hgEPl)

76 67 Honestly, it's this kind of stupid shit that makes me think about investing in bitcoin.

And bitcoin is a literal nothing. Worse than the Great Tulip Balloon. At least, you got a snazzy garden outta that.

A round of "go fuck yourself"s for the members of Congress.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2019 12:49 PM (2EMYr)


Much like the Democrats' risible notion of a trillion dollar coin. For my part I thought we should mint it, and use it to be welfare.

"Here ya go. Can we get change for the difference?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:53 PM (YqDXo)

77 Bernie calls for the electoral college to be abolished. Then . . .

David Burge
@iowahawkblog
Get your wife on it, she's good at bringing down colleges

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 12:53 PM (+y/Ru)

78 use it to PAY welfare

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:54 PM (YqDXo)

79 The problem I have with Trump on this is he gets nothing for it. No wall, no final killing of obamacare, etc. Even PP continues to get funding.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 12:55 PM (r+sAi)

80 >>Bernie calls for the electoral college to be abolished.


Retarded Commie can't be bothered to read our founding documents and play by the rules set forth.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:56 PM (yE4ie)

81 Now here's the real pisser: we pay foreign aid to various shitholes countries. Where do we get the money? WE BORROW IT. Now why can't the shithole countries just borrow the money directly? Because they're shithole countries, and no one in his right mind would lend the contents of his handkerchief to them.

Maybe we should get Chelsea's hubby Mezvinsky on this. He thought Greek debt was going to be a brilliant financial play for his (now defunct) hedge fund. I hope that that was just a scheme to launder money for crooked Democrat politicians. I hate to think any higher primate was actually that stupid.

Then again, he DID marry Chelsea, so the jury is still out.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:57 PM (YqDXo)

82 77 Bernie calls for the electoral college to be abolished.

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Should be simple. Just takes 2/3 of congress and 3/4 of states.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 12:58 PM (FiUMj)

83 Oh, everybody's here.

Oh well, my last comment in the last thread fits in here.

Everyone is a Keynesian. When seen from that perspective, all of this starts to make sense.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 12:58 PM (cY3LT)

84 I still believe nobody gives a shit about shutdowns.

The first republican with teh balls to do it will be rewarded.

I mean really - does the rest of the country worry about non essential washington dc?

Posted by: Socialist Man at July 21, 2019 12:58 PM (7NSrk)

85 >>Now here's the real pisser: we pay foreign aid to various shitholes countries. Where do we get the money? WE BORROW IT. Now why can't the shithole countries just borrow the money directly? Because they're shithole countries, and no one in his right mind would lend the contents of his handkerchief to them.


Stop Redlining!

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:59 PM (yE4ie)

86 Both Social Security and Medicare are welfare programs, if you reach the point where you receive more benefits than you paid in. Beyond that, they're pure welfare.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 12:59 PM (sdi6R)

87 Honestly, it's this kind of stupid shit that makes me think about investing in bitcoin.

And bitcoin is a literal nothing. Worse than the Great Tulip Balloon. At least, you got a snazzy garden outta that.

A round of "go fuck yourself"s for the members of Congress.

Posted by: naturalfake

___________

I love the concept of bitcoin and no government involvement, but to me it's like paying money for a video game score.

If you really worry about this, buy physical gold. It will almost certainly be dead money in terms of growth, but even in a collapse I could see it preserving wealth.

I've just stopped worrying about it, I actually think fiscal issues are more easily solved than other bigger issues like a million illegals walking over here every year.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 12:59 PM (UfkIY)

88 Who runs bartertown?!! won't actually be a meme someday.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:00 PM (r+sAi)

89 The only way out, short of frank collapse: to inflate the bejesus out of the currency.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 12:45 PM (YqDXo)

No, that's only the way your elected representatives prefer. They are more beholden to the private entities that finance the debt than they are to you. The only way out is to take back control of the government, hoping that the military and police forces don't decide to support the financiers (like the Soviet military), and repudiate the debt. This is the main reason they want to outlaw your right to bear arms. And arm bears.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 21, 2019 01:00 PM (m79Dg)

90 SS works like this

Pay in $10 get back $100

Pay in $25 get back $50

Pay in $50 get back $25

Pay in $100 get back $10

So basically a welfare program disguised as a pension plan.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:00 PM (FiUMj)

91 The fundamental problem: we've expanded the franchise MUCH MUCH too far. People who cannot handle their own finances, and who contribute f-all to the nation's, get a say in how the nation handles ITS finances. (Yeah, I'm looking at you, Peggy Joseph. Did Barack pay your bills from his stash? Did you learn anything when he didn't? I'm betting "no.")

THAT'S the fundamental problem. Hat tip to de Tocqueville. He called it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:00 PM (YqDXo)

92 I still believe nobody gives a shit about shutdowns.

The first republican with teh balls to do it will be rewarded.

I mean really - does the rest of the country worry about non essential washington dc?
Posted by: Socialist Man

_____________

I sort of agree, but I just know every Republican will eventually fold, so it just seems to accomplish nothing.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:01 PM (UfkIY)

93 Which perpetual motion machine stops first?

Posted by: klaftern at July 21, 2019 01:02 PM (RuIsu)

94 I mean really - does the rest of the country worry about non essential washington dc?
Posted by: Socialist Man at July 21, 2019 12:58 PM (7NSrk)

Ummmmmmm......Nope.

Lay all their asses off permanently.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 01:02 PM (Z+IKu)

95 I've just stopped worrying about it, I actually think fiscal issues are more easily solved than other bigger issues like a million illegals walking over here every year.
Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 12:59 PM (UfkIY)

A million illegals walking over here every year is engineered by those that finance the debt to distract you from focusing on your slavery.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 21, 2019 01:03 PM (m79Dg)

96 86 Both Social Security and Medicare are welfare programs, if you reach the point where you receive more benefits than you paid in. Beyond that, they're pure welfare.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 12:59 PM (sdi6R)


Include my bete noire, the earned income tax "credit," which is straight-up welfare. A credit is a cashless forgiveness of a future obligation. Getting cash from the Federal government is welfare, coming and going.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:03 PM (YqDXo)

97 A million illegals walking over here every year is engineered by those that finance the debt to distract you from focusing on your slavery.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male

___________

I think if you get control of who's here, a lot falls into place.

A big reason why CA is in the shape it's in is because of who their residents are.

If the US never had an illegal immigration problem, my guess is most of these fiscal issues would be much less just because of the voter base.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:05 PM (UfkIY)

98 It's OK we'll just print more money!!
- AOC


As self-evidently stupid as that is, it's an actual economic theory being taken seriously by actual economists. They've even given a a seriously Marxist sounding name: "Modern Monetary Theory." NPR has reported on it a couple of times. Apparently, the idea is that as long as the economy as a whole is growing and inflation is not too high, you can kick the can indefinitely. AFAIK, the theory doesn't say what happens if those conditions change.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 01:05 PM (E94D/)

99 Man, 65, made fake bomb threat to get date with flight attendant
The Serbian man, who has not been named, wanted to keep the woman in the country longer after she refused a date with him.

. . . .

All 130 passengers and five crew members had to leave the aircraft while it was searched by a special police squad and sniffer dogs.

https://bit.ly/2M5Ak4z

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 01:05 PM (+y/Ru)

100 Stop Redlining!
Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 12:59 PM (yE4ie)


Exactly. Oooh, now you've done it.

The Reds and the bruthas would have us believe that banks won't loan money to the bruthas because they're racist.

We must know different bankers. The ones I know would loan money to Satan if they thought the loan would perform. It's not as though if they loan money in the ghetto that they have to marry their daughters off there.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:06 PM (YqDXo)

101 Include my bete noire, the earned income tax "credit," which is straight-up welfare. A credit is a cashless forgiveness of a future obligation. Getting cash from the Federal government is welfare, coming and going.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

___________

And this was championed by conservatives like Milton Friedman as a way to avoid welfare.

My theory has been even if you only make $1 a year, at least some portion should be going to taxes just make people understand where the government gets its money.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:06 PM (UfkIY)

102 Then we should eliminate public unions. Why lay them off? They will get unemployment. Can't fire them because of union contracts. The whole thing has turned into a house of cards.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 01:06 PM (BLFnH)

103 77 Bernie calls for the electoral college to be abolished.

Once again, demonstrating his brave and original thinking. What a leader!

What a schmuck. My brother voted for him in 2016. He said it was best he'd ever felt about voting. I said, "have you ever listened to him? He's schmuck." End of conversation.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at July 21, 2019 01:07 PM (H8QX8)

104

David Atkins, who is the regional director of the California Democrat Party, tore into "rural white Americans" in a Twitter rant.

"You know who is not grateful enough? Rural white Americans," he said. "They are heavily subsidized, drowning in federal largesse, blessed with political affirmative action & overrepresentation, have all their bills paid by cities and blue states, but they whine and yell constantly."

https://tinyurl.com/y2olh29e

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 01:08 PM (aKsyK)

105 Irish guy just won the British Open played in Ireland (Northern) . First time in 68 years that British Open played in Ireland. Wonder why? /s

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:08 PM (2DOZq)

106 I think if you get control of who's here, a lot falls into place.

A big reason why CA is in the shape it's in is because of who their residents are.


Semi OT: we just this morning saw our first tent in our upscale coastal community. It begins. Grrrrr.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:08 PM (YqDXo)

107 blessed with political affirmative action

WTF?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:08 PM (YqDXo)

108 Medicare would maintain itself if they took the gathered funds out of the general fund and put the monies collected into its own untouchable account.

It's sustainability projects much further into the future.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:09 PM (x3tTl)

109 Burning time exchange rate:

BB/Pellet Penny
00 Buck Nickle
.22 Dime
9mm/38 Quarter
45acp/357/.223 2Bits
30-06/.308 Dollar

Bitcoin, you get shot for being a fool

Posted by: Jean at July 21, 2019 01:09 PM (yYouH)

110 I mean really - does the rest of the country worry about non essential washington dc?

Posted by: Socialist Man at July 21, 2019 12:58 PM (7NSrk)



Ummmmmmm......Nope.



Lay all their asses off permanently.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 01:02 PM (Z+IKu)


THIS!!!! I know someone who works for a federal agency. He makes a yuge salary. He "works from home" every Monday and Friday. And working from home means taking his kids to movies, going out to eat and generally fucking around. He's job is a total waste of taxpayer money and I'm sure there are thousands just like that.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2019 01:09 PM (6ooku)

111 We're living on borrowed money and borrowed time.


Now, it's just a race between financial collapse and cultural collapse. At this point, I'm betting con cultural collapse to win, so that will solve the debt problem.


You're welcome.



Posted by: McLurkerson at July 21, 2019 01:10 PM (7UCSd)

112 "You know who is not grateful enough? Rural white Americans," he said. "They are heavily subsidized, drowning in federal largesse, blessed with political affirmative action & overrepresentation, have all their bills paid by cities and blue states, but they whine and yell constantly."

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Hey! At least we're house broken!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 01:10 PM (+y/Ru)

113 >>Semi OT: we just this morning saw our first tent in our upscale coastal community.


Unless it is made of Canvas, it'll go up fast.

Just a hint of flame and...

Poof!

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:10 PM (yE4ie)

114 Lay all their asses off permanently.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 01:02 PM (Z+IKu)

I had hopes Trump would prove to be that kind of radical reformist. My naivete.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at July 21, 2019 01:10 PM (H8QX8)

115 electoral college:

If OH passes the referendum this fall on "the national vote compact," & it might do so if the turnout is low enough, we will then be one micrometer away from abolishing the electoral college.

The left has shown real genius in flying this below the radar.

Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 01:11 PM (Cssks)

116 I don't understand the objection to conditioning voting on paying taxes (or having served in the military). If someone doesn't pay taxes, and hasn't served in the military, why should he have any say in our taxes are spent, or how the military is deployed?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:11 PM (YqDXo)

117 Rural white Americans put food on that douchebags table. But like all urban retards they think food just magically appears in the grocery stores.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:12 PM (2DOZq)

118 Semi OT: we just this morning saw our first tent in our upscale coastal community. It begins. Grrrrr.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:08 PM (YqDXo)

Yup. I hear them things sprout like mushrooms after a rainstorm.

Then comes the heartbreak of drum circles.

Gonna need some Slayer, you guys.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at July 21, 2019 01:12 PM (aurSP)

119
Here's my hope-

That Trump says..

"Well, I'm all for spending this money, but we have to be responsible.

So, I want a 10% cut in budgets plus 10% personnel cut across all federal departments effective immediately.

To make it fair, we'll begin with the most junior personnel.

Oh, and I get my wall."

That would be stab at fiscal responsibility and I think most people would go along with that.

Plus...BONUS! The 10% personnel cut of the most junior would almost certainly scoop most, if not all, of the Obama personnel out of the gov't.

Win win win.


But, I'm afraid, it's all just a beautiful dream.

A beautiful, beautiful dream.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2019 01:12 PM (2EMYr)

120 >>I don't understand the objection to conditioning voting on paying taxes (or having served in the military). If someone doesn't pay taxes, and hasn't served in the military, why should he have any say in our taxes are spent, or how the military is deployed?


You should only get the representation you pay for.

Pay Property Taxes - You get to Vote Local.
Pay Income Tax to the State - You get to Vote at the State level.
Pay Income Tax to the Feds - You get to Vote in the Federal Elections.


No Representation Without Taxation!

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:13 PM (yE4ie)

121 "Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pound ought and six, result misery."

~Charles DIckens

Can I get my economics degree now?

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:13 PM (sdi6R)

122 I don't understand the objection to conditioning voting on paying taxes (or having served in the military). If someone doesn't pay taxes, and hasn't served in the military, why should he have any say in our taxes are spent, or how the military is deployed?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:11 PM (YqDXo)

I agree. But we, the West, are so lost to this sort of severe common sense, there's no way.

Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at July 21, 2019 01:13 PM (H8QX8)

123 No Military exemptions, though.

You people trust the military too much.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:14 PM (yE4ie)

124 As self-evidently stupid as that is, it's an actual economic theory being taken seriously by actual economists. They've even given a a seriously Marxist sounding name: "Modern Monetary Theory." NPR has reported on it a couple of times. Apparently, the idea is that as long as the economy as a whole is growing and inflation is not too high, you can kick the can indefinitely. AFAIK, the theory doesn't say what happens if those conditions change.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at July 21, 2019 01:05 PM (E94D/)


The economy does an occasional oopsie, and when it does, some of the haves will collapse entirely, many will see a noticeable drop in their overall wealth profile, and the rest will go on just as before, with at most a temporary inconvenience.

The have-nots, well, some of them will die miserable horrible deaths, and many of them will suffer catastrophic drops in their overall wealth and well-being, and some may join us in the sky chambers above, having learned how to game the system.

So it all works out.

When you die, you will be mourned by some, your death will be a welcome relief to others, and the vast majority of the world will go on as if nothing of any significance happened. Because it didn't.

This is the pervasive mindset of the rich and powerful who make most of the decisions as to which levers get pushed and pulled.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:15 PM (cY3LT)

125 Reason #342 Voting is not going to solve this problem.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 21, 2019 01:15 PM (EZebt)

126 A preponderance of people get their money from the government, be it entitlements, financial assistance, direct government employment, government contracting or providing services that are paid for by the government.

This is why the system can and never will work at this point,

I can't pay a government worker $100, tax back $30 of it and continue to pay the $100 again.

The ratio is now, and has been for a while, such that the earnings of the private sector are no longer sufficient to bridge the gap to overcome this.

In my estimation, you need 75% of the country operating in a private economy free from government compensation in order to tax creates wealth enough to fund the other 25% employed in the public sector.

This will never happen. Ever.

So the question becomes: Is there ever a maximum borrowing limit for the federal government?

That answer is no.

So then the next question is: What happens when the balance sheets are such that the rules of accounting no longer apply?

I don't know, but I suspect it will be chaotic when the illusion of fiat currency as having any intrinsic value is broken.

I think many states are already banking on that outcome. States with huge debt loads are purchasing infrastructure at incredible levels ahead of an impending dollar crash, at which point their debt will mean nothing, but the infrastructure acquisition will already be realized.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at July 21, 2019 01:16 PM (48XXE)

127 I do think people like Ron Paul were unfairly dismissed by conservatives when he would talk about reforming the Federal Reserve.

A lot of our spending problems is a FED that basically hands out the credit cards. if you could put the brakes there, a lot would be fixes.

Problem is, people don't that to happen on both sides of the aisle and it probably would have some major short term pain economically.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:16 PM (UfkIY)

128 David Atkins, who is the regional director of the
California Democrat Party, tore into "rural white Americans" in a
Twitter rant.



"You know who is not grateful enough? Rural white Americans," he
said. "They are heavily subsidized, drowning in federal largesse,
blessed with political affirmative action overrepresentation, have
all their bills paid by cities and blue states, but they whine and yell
constantly."



https://tinyurl.com/y2olh29e

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 01:08 PM (aKsyK)


The left keeps trotting out that bullshit and that red states get the most welfare. Because the south and west sides of Chicago are so self-sufficient.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2019 01:17 PM (6ooku)

129 99 Man, 65, made fake bomb threat to get date with flight attendant
The Serbian man, who has not been named, wanted to keep the woman in the country longer after she refused a date with him.

. . . .

All 130 passengers and five crew members had to leave the aircraft while it was searched by a special police squad and sniffer dogs.

https://bit.ly/2M5Ak4z

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 01:05 PM (+y/Ru)


I bet that impressed the hell out of her.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:18 PM (sdi6R)

130 I think if you get control of who's here, a lot falls into place.

A big reason why CA is in the shape it's in is because of who their residents are.

If the US never had an illegal immigration problem, my guess is most of these fiscal issues would be much less just because of the voter base.
Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:05 PM (UfkIY)

You mean like the US did prior to the 21st century? Oh, wait, we didn't do that when we had an insignificant illegal immigration problem, did we?

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 21, 2019 01:18 PM (m79Dg)

131 112 "You know who is not grateful enough? Rural white Americans," he said. "They are heavily subsidized, drowning in federal largesse, blessed with political affirmative action & overrepresentation, have all their bills paid by cities and blue states, but they whine and yell constantly."


Big Cities make their money cataloging, facilitating, and allocating the transfer of goods produced elsewhere. Big cities secondary income is from the federal government.

More and more Big Cities primary functions are being moved away from city confines to more business and family friendly suburban areas.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:18 PM (x3tTl)

132 The paying taxes as a requirement is too convoluted to do that now. Keeping track who qualifies each year would be too burdensome. I would be more for a system of those that were banned from voting based on the government benefits they were receiving. But that definitely would never happen.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:18 PM (2DOZq)

133 >>California Democrat Party, tore into "rural white Americans" in a
Twitter rant.



California is a cancer.

It should be excised and drowned in the Pacific.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:19 PM (yE4ie)

134 The left keeps trotting out that bullshit and that red states get the most welfare. Because the south and west sides of Chicago are so self-sufficient.
Posted by: TheQuietMan

____________

And take a wild guess what demographics in the Red States get the most subsidies? The southern red states have a very high population of black voters that are anything but Republican.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:19 PM (UfkIY)

135 >> The paying taxes as a requirement is too convoluted to do that now. Keeping track who qualifies each year would be too burdensome.



Nah - Just go Paper with a Vote Coupon attached.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:20 PM (yE4ie)

136 126 A preponderance of people get their money from the government, be it entitlements, financial assistance, direct government employment, government contracting or providing services that are paid for by the government.


This is correct. It explains the current voting patterns of the "collar counties" of southeastern PA, who have very rapidly turned purple/blue from solid red, and who are very happy with RINO (or just Dem) governance all of a sudden. Our high standard of living is either partly or entirely dependent on govt - even in the "private sectors" of banking, credit, and pharma.

Not sure if its possible, but the only potential fix is to grow the private sector enough. It's a tough battle.

I'm still slightly hopeful however. If not, yeah, it's gonna collapse.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 21, 2019 01:20 PM (Rarvo)

137 Have a little sympathy for the commies. They have done a lot to destroy this country and it will not go down. Cloward and Piven stab it with their steely knives but they just can't kill the beast.
For the commies the free market system is one huge macroaggression. Their own countries do not qualify as safe spaces. Sucks to be them.

Posted by: Random Poster at July 21, 2019 01:20 PM (zeg38)

138 We must know different bankers. The ones I know would loan money to Satan if they thought the loan would perform. It's not as though if they loan money in the ghetto that they have to marry their daughters off there.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:06 PM (YqDXo)


Most of the bankers I've encountered are coiffed middle aged women who don't seem to notice anything about me and my person, other than my credit score.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:21 PM (cY3LT)

139 You mean like the US did prior to the 21st century? Oh, wait, we didn't do that when we had an insignificant illegal immigration problem, did we?
Posted by: Anonymous White Male

_________________________

You don't think California has changed dramatically since the era when a Ronald Reagan could be Governor?

I have family in CA and the state went from something of a paradise with its only real problem being traffic to now being completely gone and might as well be its own 3rd world country.

illegals are about 90% to blame for it.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:22 PM (UfkIY)

140 I don't understand the objection to conditioning voting on paying taxes
A review of history will reflect that it puts power in only the wealthy. Yes, the pendulum has swung way to far the other way in putting power in those that receive govt largess, but no reason to swing power all the way back to Soros and Zuckerberg fiats.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:22 PM (r+sAi)

141 California Democrat Party, tore into "rural white Americans" in a
Twitter rant.



California is a cancer.

It should be excised and drowned in the Pacific.
Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:19 PM (yE4ie)


I'm not sure the Pacific is capable of handling the job. Can we go in with blow torches and machetes?

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:23 PM (cY3LT)

142 97% of climate scientists agree that red states get all the money.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 21, 2019 01:23 PM (oVJmc)

143 the budget's exploding again, newly
discussed here as yearly and duly.
it's really too late,
so i'd rather debate
who's sexier -hedy or julie?


Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 01:24 PM (Pg+x7)

144

We (wife and I) won our personal war on poverty some time ago.

We did it by practicing all the ways to save money possible.

We aren't rich, just comfortable--or so our financial advisor tells us. At least we won't be waiting by the mailbox for the SS check.

All this was done (from MY standpoint , not wife's) with out factoring SS into retirement. Basically, I don't need it.

I still receive it, since I was enrolled by my parents long before I ever worked. I mean to take it until I reach my total contribution into the fund. Sort of a tax rebate if you will.

It'll become a donation after that, to what is undecided right now.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 21, 2019 01:24 PM (KATBx)

145 every letter I've ever gotten from Social Security says right up front in the boilerplate: "These benefits are no guarantee of future benefits." They have the right to cut them if they think it's necessary, and say as much.

Don't you love one way contracts where you are beholden to every jot and tittle in the contract, have no say, no remediation other than the one they select, and they can change the contract at any time for any reason.


In this case, the other party can confiscate all of your goods and kill you in your own home if you don't comply.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:25 PM (lD3vL)

146 You're never going to pass anything regarding voting eligibility and taxes. You would have retirees on social security completely locked out of voting, and that's actually a huge swath of the Republican vote.

Far easier to just pass some reforms, and much of this is actually popular but elected Republicans are spineless.

Remember how everybody was afraid to touch welfare reform and the when someone finally had the balls to say we should end it, even Democrats were scrambling to say they also wanted to end it?

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:26 PM (UfkIY)

147 Nah - Just go Paper with a Vote Coupon attached.
Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:20 PM (yE4ie)

===

When I really began to lose faith in the ballot: Paper Ballots in the bay

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 21, 2019 01:26 PM (EZebt)

148 You must answer 5 random simple civic questions in the voting booth or your vote doesn't count.


Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:26 PM (2DOZq)

149 Most of the bankers I've encountered are coiffed middle aged women who don't seem to notice anything about me and my person, other than my credit score.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:21 PM (cY3LT)


There is no personal relationship with a bank anymore. You are account # xxx, they look at your record with them, your credit rating, your income, and your debt.

That's what they base their *decision on.


*pending federal affirmative action regulation

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:26 PM (x3tTl)

150 All 130 passengers and five crew members had to leave the aircraft while it was searched by a special police squad and sniffer dogs.

https://bit.ly/2M5Ak4z

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 01:05 PM (+y/Ru)

I bet that impressed the hell out of her.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:18 PM (sdi6R)


It should. Any woman who can't appreciate that level of dedication to her must be a rug muncher.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:27 PM (cY3LT)

151 Horowitz explained that the current spending levels are the result of the budget deals that congressional Republicans cut during the last session of Congress...

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"Budget deals"

Yawn.

We haven't had a budget since 1997. We're riding this train to the end of the line and busting through it full speed ahead.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:27 PM (+0ddm)

152 I have to wonder, don't the DC crowd know that sooner or later they won't have chairs when the music stops? That sooner or later there will be a crop that kicks the can and has it bounce back in their face? Do they just assume it won't be them? Or do they just all scoot up to Canada or the UK or NZ or whatever as it all burns down?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, something something punk at July 21, 2019 01:29 PM (lLeln)

153 Every day the rhetoric from Leftists makes me more certain I'd be a candidate for happy camp when they come into power.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 01:29 PM (BbGew)

154 You don't think California has changed dramatically since the era when a Ronald Reagan could be Governor?

I have family in CA and the state went from something of a paradise with its only real problem being traffic to now being completely gone and might as well be its own 3rd world country.

illegals are about 90% to blame for it.
Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:22 PM (UfkIY)

No, the illegals are not the cause. They are just a symptom. You're ignoring the camel's nose under the tent and focusing on the camel being fully in the tent.

Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 21, 2019 01:30 PM (m79Dg)

155 Unless it is made of Canvas, it'll go up fast.

Just a hint of flame and...

Poof!
Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:10 PM (yE4ie)


Don't tempt me.

I saw a recent interview of a vagrant in LA who was a veteran. So ... sympathetic, right? But he frankly said he'd rather live on the streets and do drugs than straighten up and fly right.

So military service is one transaction, but it does not offset this second transaction, IMO.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:30 PM (YqDXo)

156 148 You must answer 5 random simple civic questions in the voting booth or your vote doesn't count.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:26 PM (2DOZq)


"Name the three branches of government" would eliminate more than half the population.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:30 PM (sdi6R)

157 Biden: "This is not a generation of socialists." Blue-on-Blue just went to eleventy.
Y'know what I miss? I haven't heard peep from Brennan, Clapper, or Comey for weeks. Whatsup with that?

Posted by: mrp at July 21, 2019 01:30 PM (Pqytn)

158 And take a wild guess what demographics in the Red States get the most subsidies? The southern red states have a very high population of black voters that are anything but Republican.

The South is also made up of a large number of retirees who prefer the warmer year round weather and don't want the excessive tax burden of the Blue States.

Part of the lie w/r/t the recipients of "government money" is that the money is in the form of SS and Medicare.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:30 PM (lD3vL)

159 I have to wonder, don't the DC crowd know that sooner or later they won't have chairs when the music stops? That sooner or later there will be a crop that kicks the can and has it bounce back in their face? Do they just assume it won't be them? Or do they just all scoot up to Canada or the UK or NZ or whatever as it all burns down?


Gather rosebuds while ye may.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 21, 2019 01:31 PM (oVJmc)

160 So military service is one transaction, but it does not offset this second transaction, IMO.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:30 PM (YqDXo)

Unfortunately that's the profile of the patients you see over burden the VA.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:31 PM (2DOZq)

161 I do think people like Ron Paul were unfairly dismissed by conservatives when he would talk about reforming the Federal Reserve.

A lot of our spending problems is a FED that basically hands out the credit cards. if you could put the brakes there, a lot would be fixes.

Problem is, people don't that to happen on both sides of the aisle and it probably would have some major short term pain economically.
Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2019 01:16 PM (UfkIY)


Ron Paul was/is dismissed because he's a goof, bordering on being psychotic.

I'm not sure I ever saw or heard anyone say he was wrong about everything. The problem is, you can't have part of Ron Paul. You only ever get all of Ron Paul, so on balance, we're better off without any of Ron Paul.

Same with the Libertarian Party.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:31 PM (cY3LT)

162 "Name the three branches of government" would eliminate more than half the population.

... and certain members of Congress..

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:31 PM (lD3vL)

163 >>Don't tempt me.


"Pro Tip : Hey Kid - You want some Fireworks?"

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:31 PM (yE4ie)

164 No, the illegals are not the cause. They are just a symptom. You're ignoring the camel's nose under the tent and focusing on the camel being fully in the tent.
Posted by: Anonymous White Male at July 21, 2019 01:30 PM (m79Dg)


Exactly right. The cause is the Great Liberal Infestation that began after the ill-named "summer of love." The infestation really kicked into high gear in the 70s, when the state first elected Jerry Brown, and went downhill from there.

It used to be commonplace for people to ask others where they were from, and when they'd moved here. That is where the problem came from.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (YqDXo)

165 47 23 P.S. I think people will wake up when Social Security benefits start being cut. And that's no surprise: every letter I've ever gotten from Social Security says right up front in the boilerplate: "These benefits are no guarantee of future benefits." They have the right to cut them if they think it's necessary, and say as much.

Posted by: MW at July 21, 2019 12:31 PM (hNTtn)

From what I've read, Social Security is fixable (raising the retirement age, means testing, etc.), but Medicare isn't. Medicare is unsustainable as it is today; "Medicare For All" would probably require a Third World standard of health care.

Posted by: rickl

It all depends how many doctors will be willing to deliver health care for almost no money.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (/Fmtj)

166 We (wife and I) won our personal war on poverty some time ago.

We did it by practicing all the ways to save money possible.

---

We've done the same. It's boring but effective. No credit cards, cook meals at home, etc.

One of the things that irritates me the most about it is that if I walk into a car dealership with cash in hand I'll get a WORSE deal on a car than if I finance it for 144 months. That's mind-blowing.

I understand it, but that's a horrible direction for society to have moved in.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (+0ddm)

167 "Name the three branches of government"
Oak, Maple and Fern!

Posted by: AOC at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (r+sAi)

168 I'd be happy if it twern't 5,000 degrees outside.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 01:34 PM (MVjcR)

169 Unfortunately that's the profile of the patients you see over burden the VA.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:31 PM (2DOZq)


I'm not surprised. That's why I rage-stroke when those libertarian idiots want to legalize drugs. Does Singapore have a drug problem? A vagrancy problem? A crime problem? No.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:34 PM (YqDXo)

170 Meanwhile all my "Hate Has No Home Here" neighbors don't seem to see a connection between "rising school enrollment" de facto open borders and taxes.

And, at the same time the SALT deduction max was lowered to well below our current tax rate, my magnanimous neighbors overwhelmingly voted for a new 60M local bond issue for school taxes. Yes, that's 60 million dollars for "improvements" to various "aging infrastructure" yada yada yada.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 21, 2019 01:34 PM (SqopC)

171 I've given up worrying about the debt - no one will ever do anything about it, and yeah, it's going to cause a huge crisis and collapse of some sectors when it comes. So plan on it, get ready for it. The only real question is who is going to be in positions of power, ready and waiting to take advantage of the crisis when it happens.

Not joking, for example that could be a perfect opportunity to strip all of the universities of their endowments, when it happens. A lot of big cities like Chicago will go bankrupt, it'll be a good time to put them under martial law as well. So, give up trying to fight it, accept it and get ready for it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 21, 2019 01:35 PM (V2Yro)

172
"Name the three branches of government"
Oak, Maple and Fern!
Posted by: AOC


And the trees were all made equal by hatchet, ax and saw.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2019 01:35 PM (aKsyK)

173 "Name the three branches of government" would eliminate more than half the population.

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50? You're such an optimist.

It's no-joke 75%.

https://tinyurl.com/y5fe436a

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (+0ddm)

174 One of the things that irritates me the most about it is that if I walk into a car dealership with cash in hand I'll get a WORSE deal on a car than if I finance it for 144 months. That's mind-blowing.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (+0ddm)


No, you don't get a worse deal. You get a higher up-front price, but overall, including interest, you get a much better deal.

I'm old enough to remember when automobile loans were for three years. It seems so long ago.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (YqDXo)

175 "Name the three branches of government"

Graft
Racial feelgoodz
Free shit

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (SqopC)

176 Social Security taken out of the general fund (read: petty cash drawer) and placed in its own account would be extended many more years.

But that fix is too simple.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (x3tTl)

177 I've been shying away from investing in a couple of mutual funds, because I'm expecting the market to tank and wipe everything out.

However, another part of me says go for it, because the next crash will probably take out everything, banks, bonds, etc., so, might as well see if I can make a few bucks before the inevitable.

Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (WEBkv)

178 If trump signs it, will he still be your huckleberry?

Posted by: macleod at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (SOVvt)

179 "Name the three branches of government" would eliminate more than half the population.

Easy: masculine, feminine, and neuter.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (YqDXo)

180 Alternatively, I'd also be happy if Kate Upton were here fanning me and feeding me grapes.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (MVjcR)

181 Far easier to just pass some reforms, and much of this is actually popular but elected Republicans are spineless.


One easy reform would be to require for at least one year that every single entitlement check is picked up in person by the designated recipient, along with utility bills and grocery receipts.

That would weed out all of the dead, the pets, illegals, multiple enrollments, the financially capable, Disney characters and whoever else is making claims and receiving public money.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:37 PM (lD3vL)

182 Most of the bankers I've encountered are coiffed middle aged women who don't seem to notice anything about me and my person, other than my credit score.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:21 PM (cY3LT)


There is no personal relationship with a bank anymore. You are account # xxx, they look at your record with them, your credit rating, your income, and your debt.

That's what they base their *decision on.

*pending federal affirmative action regulation
Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:26 PM (x3tTl)


I went into the bank last week, something I rarely do anymore. This woman had so much cake on her face, it was sorta symbolic. The artificial layer keeping her from showing herself...

We completed our interaction, she was nice, I was nice, but there wasn't anything real about the experience, from one human being to another.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:37 PM (cY3LT)

183 Meanwhile all my "Hate Has No Home Here" neighbors
don't seem to see a connection between "rising school enrollment" de
facto open borders and taxes.



And, at the same time the SALT deduction max was lowered to well
below our current tax rate, my magnanimous neighbors overwhelmingly
voted for a new 60M local bond issue for school taxes. Yes, that's 60
million dollars for "improvements" to various "aging infrastructure"
yada yada yada.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 21, 2019 01:34 PM (SqopC)


It's really amazing how stupid people are when it comes to their taxes. I try to explain to people at work about the massive waste of our taxes (our money) and the idiot response of "Well they need it for...." They need to waste our money?!?!?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2019 01:37 PM (6ooku)

184 What I expect will happen with SS is that it will become asset based. You own a house? sorry too rich.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (r+sAi)

185 173 "Name the three branches of government" would eliminate more than half the population.

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50? You're such an optimist.

It's no-joke 75%.

https://tinyurl.com/y5fe436a

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (+0ddm)


That's why I'm skeptical about the Flynn effect, the gradual rise in IQ scores over time. I sure as hell don't see any evidence of it. Quite the contrary.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (YqDXo)

186 @ 168

Weasel, write those words down, so you can refer to them come January.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (KATBx)

187 However, another part of me says go for it, because the next crash will probably take out everything, banks, bonds, etc., so, might as well see if I can make a few bucks before the inevitable.

Plus all of your prepper supplies and "surplus" will be collected and redistributed.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (lD3vL)

188 It's really amazing how stupid people are when it comes to their taxes. I try to explain to people at work about the massive waste of our taxes (our money) and the idiot response of "Well they need it for...." They need to waste our money?!?!?

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But it's not taxes. It's a bond.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (v4v6L)

189 Pay Income Tax to the State - You get to Vote at the State level.

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What if the state has no income tax?

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (FiUMj)

190

Weasel, write those words down, so you can refer to them come January.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (KATBx)
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Heal yes! I'll be whining about short days, ice and cold!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 01:39 PM (MVjcR)

191 "Name the three branches of government" would eliminate more than half the population.
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Easy: masculine, feminine, and neuter.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (YqDXo)


I was gonna guess Nina, Pinta, Santa Maria.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:39 PM (cY3LT)

192 One of the things that irritates me the most about it is that if I walk into a car dealership with cash in hand I'll get a WORSE deal on a car than if I finance it for 144 months. That's mind-blowing.

I understand it, but that's a horrible direction for society to have moved in.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (+0ddm)
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No house and no car payments here at Che Blake.

It's mind blowing how much more money one has when one doesn't have those payments.

Even though our cars are worn and all, I just cannot bring myself to go buy a new car. Well, in our case, a used late model car.

Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 01:39 PM (WEBkv)

193 Heal = Hell

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 01:39 PM (MVjcR)

194 Romans were in a box because they still thought "money" had to be a physical thing like gold or silver. They didn't realize it could just be a promise by somebody to maybe do something or not sometime, maybe. One you understand "Money" in today's economy, you will understand "debt."

They're both like the spoon in the Matrix. You look at it, you hold it, you think it's real.

But there is no spoon. Understand that and you can do anything.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 21, 2019 01:39 PM (V2Yro)

195 Been sharpening drill bits in basement, just took a index out to my truck, has to be 20 degrees temperature difference.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (BbGew)

196 One of the things that irritates me the most about it is that if I walk into a car dealership with cash in hand I'll get a WORSE deal on a car than if I finance it for 144 months. That's mind-blowing.

I understand it, but that's a horrible direction for society to have moved in.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (+0ddm)


Buy it on finance then pay it off in three months.
Making sure the terms have no penalty for early pay off.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (x3tTl)

197 The only future we have for this nation is a hot economy and budget cuts. They don't have to be deep, but they hvae to be real. Instead, congress tries to spend more and more and more every year at an almost exponential rate.

Its a war between congress and the president, and Trump keeps capitulating. He has GOT to draw the line here and say "no further". He must.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (39g3+)

198 >>What if the state has no income tax?


They'll figure it out.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (yE4ie)

199 184 What I expect will happen with SS is that it will become asset based. You own a house? sorry too rich.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:38 PM (r+sAi)


Notice Democrats mumbling about taxing assets instead of income. They're clearly thinking in that direction.

It's a win-win-win for them. They get their snouts further in the trough, they can use the proceeds to buy votes (and pocket some for shipping, handling, and restocking costs), AND they hose the bourgeoisie, as commanded by St. Karl of Trier.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (YqDXo)

200 And, at the same time the SALT deduction max was lowered to well
below our current tax rate, my magnanimous neighbors overwhelmingly
voted for a new 60M local bond issue for school taxes. Yes, that's 60
million dollars for "improvements" to various "aging infrastructure"
yada yada yada.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 21, 2019 01:34 PM (SqopC)

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Every single year (sometimes twice a year) there is a vote in my area for more money for schools. It alternates between county and the various towns/cities, but there is always a VOTE YES FOR SCHOOLS campaign. And they pass with 60-70% every time.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (FiUMj)

201 The GOP elites are bear much responsibility for our problems. They helped crush the Tea Party and collaborated with the Democrats. Paul Ryan probably retired due to the fear people were about to find out all that he had done.

Posted by: Random Poster at July 21, 2019 01:41 PM (zeg38)

202 I think my bank is the exception since it's a family owned Texas Bank.

Frost Bank still tries to make sure you're not just an account number. At least in my experience. I could very well be the exception.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 01:41 PM (2DOZq)

203 https://apolloinrealtime.org/11/mobile/
Less than 15 minutes until the Lunar module leaves Tranquility base.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 01:41 PM (BbGew)

204
Democrat presidential candidate Bernie Sanders announced this weekend he will cut staffers' hours so that they can effectively be paid a $15-an-hourminimum wage,prompting mockery from critics who say the move is more evidence that Sanders' plan to raise the national minimum wage is hypocritical and would only lead to less work and more unemployment.





Economics. How do it work, Comrade Bernie?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2019 01:41 PM (6ooku)

205 177 I've been shying away from investing in a couple of mutual funds, because I'm expecting the market to tank and wipe everything out.

However, another part of me says go for it, because the next crash will probably take out everything, banks, bonds, etc., so, might as well see if I can make a few bucks before the inevitable.
Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (WEBkv)

Actually the next crash will be met by a frantic attempt at inflating everything, so the sign of the next crash will be when the DJIA hits 50,000, then 100,000, then 500,000, in quick order. And then everyone will have millions of nothings in their bank accounts.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 21, 2019 01:41 PM (V2Yro)

206 "Name the three branches of government" would eliminate more than half the population.
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Easy: masculine, feminine, and neuter.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (YqDXo)


I was gonna guess Nina, Pinta, Santa Maria.



Moe, Larry and Curly.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 21, 2019 01:42 PM (oVJmc)

207 196 One of the things that irritates me the most about it is that if I walk into a car dealership with cash in hand I'll get a WORSE deal on a car than if I finance it for 144 months. That's mind-blowing.

I understand it, but that's a horrible direction for society to have moved in.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (+0ddm)


_____

Car ads don't even have prices anymore, only monthly payments are advertized.

But the way to work the system is take the 144 month loan, get the incentives that come with it, make sure there is no prepayment penalty and pay it off the next day.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:42 PM (FiUMj)

208 >>Heal = Hell


It's the Burn that lets you know it's working.

Posted by: Hot Iron at July 21, 2019 01:42 PM (yE4ie)

209 175 "Name the three branches of government"

Graft
Racial feelgoodz
Free shit

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 21, 2019 01:36 PM (SqopC)


I think we have a winner.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:42 PM (sdi6R)

210
Actually the next crash will be met by a frantic attempt at inflating everything, so the sign of the next crash will be when the DJIA hits 50,000, then 100,000, then 500,000, in quick order. And then everyone will have millions of nothings in their bank accounts.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 21, 2019 01:41 PM (V2Yro)
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In many ways, this is the story of the Obama and Bush administration.

Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 01:43 PM (WEBkv)

211 Every single year (sometimes twice a year) there is a
vote in my area for more money for schools. It alternates between
county and the various towns/cities, but there is always a VOTE YES FOR
SCHOOLS campaign. And they pass with 60-70% every time.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (FiUMj)



The bloated salaries, benefits and pensions are for the children.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2019 01:43 PM (6ooku)

212 Notice Democrats mumbling about taxing assets instead of income. They're clearly thinking in that direction.

What the hell do you think a property tax is?

Its a wealth tax - on hypothetical wealth. (Cuz you really don't know what it is worth until you sell it).

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:43 PM (lD3vL)

213 Even though our cars are worn and all, I just cannot bring myself to go buy a new car. Well, in our case, a used late model car.
Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 01:39 PM (WEBkv)


I've owned precisely one new car in my life. Since then we've only bought used cars. What's the point of a new car, when you spend half the time sitting in traffic on the freeway? A Trabant would do perfectly well. Let some other sucker take the depreciation hit.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:43 PM (YqDXo)

214 "i buy gold from rowland capital"

william devane

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 01:43 PM (Pg+x7)

215 No, you don't get a worse deal. You get a higher up-front price, but overall, including interest, you get a much better deal.

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Granted that over the life of the loan it can be, but I just mean an outright price. It's a worse deal initially because there are promotions based on the financing. I've seen as much as $1500 off.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:43 PM (+0ddm)

216 I don't buy new cars, either, so this is solely academic.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:44 PM (+0ddm)

217 rosland not rowland. i swear i'm going to shoot splchk.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 21, 2019 01:44 PM (Pg+x7)

218 "Every single year (sometimes twice a year) there is a vote in my area for more money for schools. It alternates between county and the various towns/cities, but there is always a VOTE YES FOR SCHOOLS campaign. And they pass with 60-70% every time."

And the biggest reason is that the schools have all the troops on the ground.

Our local Board of Ed routinely violates the spirit, if not the letter of the law prohibiting public funds for electioneering, by sending out all kinds of blast emails to every parent in the District about how necessary the new budget is. That, and the teachers all vote at 105% participation in favor of the budget in generally low turnout elections.

If only there were some kind of political organization, call it a "party" that would take the cause of taxpayers and maybe even organize some counter messaging and a voter turnout campaign.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 21, 2019 01:44 PM (SqopC)

219 "Name the three branches of government"

Regulatory,
Hawaiian Judge,
George Soros

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:44 PM (lD3vL)

220 197 The only future we have for this nation is a hot economy and budget cuts. They don't have to be deep, but they hvae to be real. Instead, congress tries to spend more and more and more every year at an almost exponential rate.

Its a war between congress and the president, and Trump keeps capitulating. He has GOT to draw the line here and say "no further". He must.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (39g3+)

As long as we have a political situation that is balanced on a 50/50 knifes edge, the one most willing to spend public money in susceptible areas wins. Trump has to spend like a drunken sailor to stay in office.

Cutting budgets is the luxury of a government with 75% support or better. Until we achieve that, we cannot do it.

and if we cannot ever do it, well chalk that up to one of the prime reasons that Democracy has a lot of things in its favor, but it is not a sustainable form of government over the long run.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 21, 2019 01:45 PM (V2Yro)

221 Yeah, I get tired of the constant votes for school bonds. I think we have won 5 times in a row now (shockingly), but there is always at least one on the ballot. But I lost the previous 15 or 20 in a row, so property taxes are plenty high.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:45 PM (r+sAi)

222 "Every single year (sometimes twice a year) there is a vote in my area for more money for schools. It alternates between county and the various towns/cities, but there is always a VOTE YES FOR SCHOOLS campaign. And they pass with 60-70% every time."

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Just wait until you get the lottery to pay for it, too.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:46 PM (+0ddm)

223 Various lenders compete for car loans so the lenders offer incentives to get the business. $1500 to $3000 is the typical incentive. So buying with cash is a bad move since nobody will offer incentives to take your cash. It makes sense from that standpoint.

The dealers also get a kickback from the financing companies so they hate cash buyers.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:46 PM (FiUMj)

224 My favorite appliance cars are $10-$15K Japanese with 50K miles or so.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (+0ddm)

225 When the dollar collapses, and it will, I think the union breaks up. It might be a good thing. Until the people forget the lessons of history once again.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (RM0Vx)

226 221 Yeah, I get tired of the constant votes for school bonds. I think we have won 5 times in a row now (shockingly), but there is always at least one on the ballot. But I lost the previous 15 or 20 in a row, so property taxes are plenty high.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:45 PM (r+sAi)
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Heck, I work for the local school system and I vote against every single one of those bonds, even though it might cost me my job.

The bonds still sail through with flying colors, which just blows my mind. And it's not like this area doesn't have some economic issues, due to the city being in CA.

Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (WEBkv)

227 Granted that over the life of the loan it can be, but I just mean an outright price. It's a worse deal initially because there are promotions based on the financing. I've seen as much as $1500 off.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:43 PM (+0ddm)


Fair enough. I love the promotions that say "$1500 cash back." Where do the rubes think that that $1500 comes from? GM's stash?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (YqDXo)

228 Every single year (sometimes twice a year) there is a vote in my area for more money for schools. It alternates between county and the various towns/cities, but there is always a VOTE YES FOR SCHOOLS campaign. And they pass with 60-70% every time.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:40 PM (FiUMj)


Same here, they always pass, and then immediately we start seeing new buildings being thrown up, fancier football stadium, nicer cars on the teacher's lot, and more and more and more "administrators" in the business of administratin' the skrewel system on six figger salaries.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (cY3LT)

229 Just wait until you get the lottery to pay for it, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 01:46 PM (+0ddm)

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Oh we have that too. And also some additional surtax on license plates. But it's never fucking enough.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (FiUMj)

230 I've owned precisely one new car in my life. Since then we've only bought used cars.

I went with two new cars, after inheriting two well used ones. My last vehicle purchase was in 1995.

As long as I can find parts.
Also telecommuting and two wheeled transport go a long way. I'm down to two tanks of fuel a year. (yet another reason I hate ethanol)

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (lD3vL)

231 I dunno. President Trump has probably decided that Western finance is a Ponzi scheme holding up unsustainable debts that no nation is interested in paying back. He is probably correct.

If you see a war coming, the correct option is to max out your leverage early and use the benefits to get ready for the worst. If Trump wins, he can inform the useless financiers that tried to act against America that they are being dispossessed. If he loses, he will be too dead to care.

Posted by: trev006 at July 21, 2019 01:48 PM (o5jh5)

232 "Every single year (sometimes twice a year) there is a vote in my area for more money for schools. It alternates between county and the various towns/cities, but there is always a VOTE YES FOR SCHOOLS campaign. And they pass with 60-70% every time."


"It's for the children!"

In American Republic 2.0, I propose that anyone bleating those words be immediately dragged outside and shot.

Anyone second that?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:49 PM (YqDXo)

233 "Every single year (sometimes twice a year) there is a vote in my area for more money for schools. It alternates between county and the various towns/cities, but there is always a VOTE YES FOR SCHOOLS campaign. And they pass with 60-70% every time."

--

Just wait until you get the lottery to pay for it, too.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles


In the local cage liner this am, editorial from the "editor" of the paper. They are worried the school mill levy won't pass because there is a road mill levy on the ballot.


On a happy note, the Air Show is next weekend, the Blue Angels will be here and I can see most of it from the back patio.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (BLFnH)

234 Nothing anyone can do about it right now. Our best course of action is to thrive despite it.

On the bright side, people have been predicting the imminent debt disaster since before I could even vote. The logic behind the arguments makes sense to me, but somehow it hasn't happened yet. I

Posted by: GalosGann at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (z6Rh+)

235 Second!

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (sdi6R)

236 Anyone second that?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:49 PM (YqDXo)

I'd like to be on the enforcement committee. Extend the mandate to people who drop connection on Xbox Live when they are losing.

Posted by: trev006 at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (o5jh5)

237 Third.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (nDe2U)

238 Oh we have that too. And also some additional surtax on license plates. But it's never fucking enough.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:47 PM (FiUMj)


Here in CA we have sky-high gasoline taxes, supposedly to pay for roads. But now they're proposing toll roads, having pocketed the gasoline taxes to pay off their public sector union cronies.

I just hope we have enough lamp posts at the appropriate time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:51 PM (YqDXo)

239 @228
You left out the new Diversity and Inclusion positions.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at July 21, 2019 01:51 PM (SqopC)

240


We don't buy new cars, either. Year old is fine, that massive depreciation is over with, plus there are applicable warranties left.
I try for the single payment plan, and if you want to get to the nut cutting right away, bring cash.

Let them know it's walking right back out the door unless they REALLY want to deal.

As in any car dealing, you best be prepared as far as knowing what you want and will pay, etc.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 21, 2019 01:51 PM (KATBx)

241 Jays just miss pulling a triple play on in-field bases-loaded hit! 1-0 Tigers.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 21, 2019 01:52 PM (Dh1wo)

242 Just wait until you get the lottery to pay for it, too.

The amount of greed and waste within the Texas Public School Cartel is amazing.

The state lottery is allegedly used for schools, one-half of the state gasoline tax is sent to the schools, the largest by over 50% portion of the property tax is funneled to the schools.

When Rick Perry's administration grew the "Rainy Day Fund" the school unions treated it as an uncashed lottery ticket and demanded that they get massive raises just because the money existed.

The pension and the school funding problem is so out of control now, if all of the schools closed forever and every teacher paid through their contract, the bond servicing and the pensions would still require another forty years of taxes at current rates to be collected.

Its a total complete Communist racket that can't even be burned down by fire.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:53 PM (lD3vL)

243 When buying a car, whether used or new, never negotiate on payment. Negotiate price. Then if you have to finance figure out the financing. But negotiating a payment is a sure fire way to get fucked as the buyer.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:54 PM (FiUMj)

244 " "Modern Monetary Theory." NPR has reported on it a
couple of times. Apparently, the idea is that as long as the economy
as a whole is growing and inflation is not too high, you can kick the
can indefinitely. AFAIK, the theory doesn't say what happens if those
conditions change."Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg


also heard it called "Cold Fusion" ... and yeah, it is actually gaining a little traction in discussions, I guess because there is no other political choice available.


But it is better to just print the money out of thin air (Quantitative Easing) than have to sell bonds and pay interest. The problem is there is no discipline imposed ... but we have no discipline in any case, so at least quit paying the interest.


My brainstorm is a one time QE to pay current debt (call it $25T) and link that with a balanced budget amendment. That would force the necessary cuts (and other hard choices, like build the wall) to the rest of the $200T unfunded liabilities, but as Barry Obama did, delay the pain for a couple years, so those that only care about the next election can vote for it.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 21, 2019 01:54 PM (Cus5s)

245 Public employee unions are a criminal enterprise. Few believe how much money is wasted on them.

Posted by: klaftern at July 21, 2019 01:55 PM (RuIsu)

246 Here in CA we have sky-high gasoline taxes, supposedly to pay for roads. But now they're proposing toll roads, having pocketed the gasoline taxes to pay off their public sector union cronies.

I just hope we have enough lamp posts at the appropriate time.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:51 PM (YqDXo)

I drove to LAX yesterday and some stretches of the 405 are just horrible - pot holes, uneven surfaces..pretty pathetic.

Posted by: IC at July 21, 2019 01:56 PM (fiC74)

247 Oops. 1-1

Posted by: andycanuck at July 21, 2019 01:56 PM (Dh1wo)

248 It all depends how many doctors will be willing to deliver health care for almost no money.



Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 21, 2019 01:32 PM (/Fmtj)

+++This is what kills me - the Dem candidates all raise their hands, generously offering free health care to the illegal migrants. No regard whatsoever for the doctors/health staff who have to attend to their needs, without anyway near adequate recompense, no regard whatsoever for the taxpayer who has to subsidize the needy invaders. Just come on in!

Posted by: washrivergal at July 21, 2019 01:56 PM (9+jnX)

249 "It's for the children!"



In American Republic 2.0, I propose that anyone bleating those words be immediately dragged outside and shot.



Anyone second that?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:49 PM (YqDXo)


Second!

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (sdi6R)

Third.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (nDe2U)

Motion passed. Next order of business get rid of government pensions.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2019 01:57 PM (6ooku)

250 +++This is what kills me - the Dem candidates all raise their hands, generously offering free health care to the illegal migrants. No regard whatsoever for the doctors/health staff who have to attend to their needs, without anyway near adequate recompense, no regard whatsoever for the taxpayer who has to subsidize the needy invaders. Just come on in!
Posted by: washrivergal at July 21, 2019 01:56 PM (9+jnX)

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Easy. H1B doctors will gladly work for $40K a year. See England's NHS for Exhibit A.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:57 PM (FiUMj)

251 My brainstorm is a one time QE to pay current debt (call it $25T) and link that with a balanced budget amendment. That would force the necessary cuts (and other hard choices, like build the wall) to the rest of the $200T unfunded liabilities, but as Barry Obama did, delay the pain for a couple years, so those that only care about the next election can vote for it.
Posted by: illiniwek at July 21, 2019 01:54 PM (Cus5s)


Delaying the pain for a while has the virtue (?) of using the electorate's stupidity against its worse instincts to achieve a desirable end.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:57 PM (YqDXo)

252 When buying a car, whether used or new, never negotiate on payment. Negotiate price. Then if you have to finance figure out the financing. But negotiating a payment is a sure fire way to get fucked as the buyer.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:54 PM (FiUMj)


I've walked in and out of many a car dealership. That very act I think is sufficient to get the message across.

I hate nickel and diming over anything. I don't care if it's a major purchase that ends up being financed, or a tomato.

Just tell me what you are selling it for. I'll buy it or I won't. If you think you pulled a fast one over on me, so be it. I don't care. I want what I want, and I'll pay what seems reasonable, or go somewhere else.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:58 PM (cY3LT)

253 On a happy note, the Air Show is next weekend, the Blue Angels will be here and I can see most of it from the back patio.

In Texas, the Blue Angels will be in Fort Worth while on the same date the Thunderbirds are in Houston and Ben Had hosts the TxMoMe.

(sigh)

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:58 PM (lD3vL)

254 What about funding to help gays and lesbians in the budget ???? WE does not support this bbudget until more money for gays, lesbians, and children of coler our added !!!

Posted by: Mary Cloginstein from Obamaboro, VT and Proud of it !!! at July 21, 2019 01:58 PM (qM84C)

255 Easy. H1B doctors will gladly work for $40K a year. See England's NHS for Exhibit A.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 01:57 PM (FiUMj)


Nah. Replace Medicaid with SanteriaCare. Most of the recipients would probably be thrilled.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:58 PM (YqDXo)

256 221 Yeah, I get tired of the constant votes for school bonds. I think we have won 5 times in a row now (shockingly), but there is always at least one on the ballot. But I lost the previous 15 or 20 in a row, so property taxes are plenty high.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:45 PM (r+sAi)


That new athletic arena sure is pretty.
And the auditorium too.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:59 PM (x3tTl)

257 In Texas, the Blue Angels will be in Fort Worth while on the same date the Thunderbirds are in Houston and Ben Had hosts the TxMoMe.

(sigh)
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 01:58 PM (lD3vL)


I keep hoping the Blue Angels will fetch up at Sacramento.

IYKWIM.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:59 PM (YqDXo)

258

In American Republic 2.0, I propose that anyone bleating those words be immediately dragged outside and shot.



Anyone second that?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 01:49 PM (YqDXo)


Second!

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (sdi6R)

Third.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at July 21, 2019 01:50 PM (nDe2U)

Motion passed. Next order of business get rid of government pensions.

I will help donate the bullets!

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 01:59 PM (BLFnH)

259 When buying a car, whether used or new, never negotiate on payment. Negotiate price. Then if you have to finance figure out the financing. But negotiating a payment is a sure fire way to get fucked as the buyer.

Amen.

I did some work for one of the largest digital marketing firms for auto retailing. Learned a lot about the industry.

The sales weasels don't make that much, all of the money comes in through the finance department.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:00 PM (lD3vL)

260 That new athletic arena sure is pretty.
And the auditorium too.
Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:59 PM (x3tTl)


The library, not so much.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:00 PM (YqDXo)

261 Social Security was never intended to be a full pension.
It is intended to be a foundation to build on. It was designed to pay better to lower income people. Means testing would actually be redundant.

The benefit is figured by averaging your salary for the 35 highest years of earnings after indexing for inflation.

The monthly average is broken into three parts. For the first tier you get 90 percent. For the second tier, 32 percent. For anything above that, 15 percent. Lower income gets a higher rate of return.

Posted by: Random Public Service Announcement at July 21, 2019 02:00 PM (zeg38)

262 Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2019 01:11 PM (Cssks)
*******
It means NOTHING

Posted by: Deep State is in DEEP SHIT at July 21, 2019 02:00 PM (BqBId)

263 As in any car dealing, you best be prepared as far as knowing what you want and will pay, etc.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 21, 2019 01:51 PM (KATBx)
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Heh, once walked out of a dealership and apologized to the salesman for wasting his time.

Got called the next day and they met my price.

Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 02:00 PM (WEBkv)

264 Didja see the latest hate crime? Black Georgia State Representative Erica Thomas was accosted by MAGA honkey when she tried to sneak through the express lane of a grocery store checkout with too many items. He told her to go back where she came from and she feared for her life. The usual media and politician suspects decried the racist hatred of Trump's America, DeCommio, Ted Lieu etc.

Except . . .

The perpetrator has come forward disputing her version and she backed down. Plus he's a Trump-hating Donk from Cuba.

Well, at least he was a white hispanic.

https://bit.ly/2YbxYYA
https://bit.ly/2JSt2yt
https://bit.ly/2Lz3lWZ
https://bit.ly/2JGCoi2

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 02:01 PM (+y/Ru)

265 And the school votes are always sold as "the average home owner will only pay $18 more a year". And come on, isn't $18 worth it to have good schools?

Yeah $18 more a year on top of the $21 from last year and the $35 from the year before that and the $65 from the year before that, and the $216 from the special bond of 5 years ago, etc.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 02:01 PM (FiUMj)

266 That new athletic arena sure is pretty.
And the auditorium too.


But your home schooled and private schooled kids can't use any of those facilities, even though the families are paying through confiscatory levels of taxation for the use of it - for the children - just not yours unless you subject them to the abuse of the government school cartels.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:02 PM (lD3vL)

267 Learned a lot about the industry.

The sales weasels don't make that much, all of the money comes in through the finance department.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21


Exactly why I financed thru my credit union with a cash down payment.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:02 PM (BLFnH)

268 And the school votes are always sold as "the average home owner will only pay $18 more a year". And come on, isn't $18 worth it to have good schools?

Yeah they also calculate those numbers from at least ten year old data that includes the property tax collected on apartments.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:03 PM (lD3vL)

269 Heh, once walked out of a dealership and apologized to the salesman for wasting his time.

Got called the next day and they met my price.
Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 02:00 PM (WEBkv)

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#MeToo except the call came about 30 minutes later while I was having dinner with my wife. We finished our meal, drove back to the dealership and bought it. I remember it well, 1 year old car, asking price $37K. We offered $31K.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 02:04 PM (FiUMj)

270 Yeah, I get tired of the constant votes for school bonds. I think we have won 5 times in a row now (shockingly), but there is always at least one on the ballot. But I lost the previous 15 or 20 in a row, so property taxes are plenty high.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:45 PM (r+sAi)


That new athletic arena sure is pretty.
And the auditorium too.
Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 01:59 PM (x3tTl)


I think people are willfully ignorant about teacher salaries too. They still think teachers are getting paid $18K per year, and have to buy all their own crayons and glue sticks.

What utter bullshit.

And the media is already starting up on that line of tripe, the stories showing how teachers are doing all this scrambling around to secure supplies for the kiddies?

Good grief... as I am fond of saying, anyone who thinks the human condition has improved in any measurable way in the past... oh, say 6000 years, isn't really paying attention to the big picture. We're still as pig ignorant as ever.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 02:04 PM (cY3LT)

271 A observation vehicle buying is timing it, end of month seems best. Bad timing on my part was a Memorial day could have had a loaded truck for price I paid at same dealer a few months later for a lot less options.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 02:04 PM (BbGew)

272
The perpetrator has come forward disputing her version and she backed down. Plus he's a Trump-hating Donk from Cuba.



Well, at least he was a white hispanic.



https://bit.ly/2YbxYYA

https://bit.ly/2JSt2yt

https://bit.ly/2Lz3lWZ

https://bit.ly/2JGCoi2



Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 02:01 PM (+y/Ru)

+++Doesn't matter that it did not happen, AOC, Omar, Hillary, probably Warren, will run with the story anyway. Even if it has been debunked. It's their "truth".

Posted by: washrivergal at July 21, 2019 02:05 PM (9+jnX)

273 252
I hate nickel and diming over anything. I don't care if it's a major purchase that ends up being financed, or a tomato.

Just tell me what you are selling it for. I'll buy it or I won't. If you think you pulled a fast one over on me, so be it. I don't care. I want what I want, and I'll pay what seems reasonable, or go somewhere else.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:58 PM (cY3LT)


I always bought used cars from the previous owner. I never set foot in a car dealer. But the last time I needed a car, I had enough money in the bank to pay for it, and saw an ad for a car in my price range that was marked down 14% from the sticker price.

I remembered that a customer at work had told me that the end of a quarter was the best time to buy because the dealers want to turn over inventory. The date was June 30.

So I went in there, took a test drive, and signed the paperwork. The next day I returned with a cashier's check from my bank and drove home.

Maybe I could have gotten a better deal if I had haggled, but I think I did OK.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 02:06 PM (sdi6R)

274 But your home schooled and private schooled kids can't use any of those facilities, even though the families are paying through confiscatory levels of taxation for the use of it - for the children - just not yours unless you subject them to the abuse of the government school cartels.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:02 PM (lD3vL)


And the codgers.
My grandfather would say , 'I paid for your parents education, they should pay for yours.'

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 02:06 PM (x3tTl)

275 Yeah $18 more a year on top of the $21 from last year and the $35 from the year before that and the $65 from the year before that, and the $216 from the special bond of 5 years ago, etc.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker

Yep, going to hate refinancing the house. Dad had a ARM loan I didn't know about. My name is on the mortg. and it's QC'd to all three of us. Need to buy out little bro. Going to lose the property tax homestead exemption in which the taxes are cut in half.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:06 PM (BLFnH)

276 221 Yeah, I get tired of the constant votes for school bonds. I think we have won 5 times in a row now (shockingly), but there is always at least one on the ballot. But I lost the previous 15 or 20 in a row, so property taxes are plenty high.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 21, 2019 01:45 PM (r+sAi)


Here there was a bond issue to pay for "school building construction and maintenance," a campaign replete with photos of decaying school buildings.

It passed. Brown used the money to give the schoolteachers (/spit) a raise, since they hadn't had one in weeks.

Next ballot had ... you guessed it ... a bond issue to pay for "school building construction and maintenance."

It passed, too. Welcome to California.

Effing teachers' unions.


By constitutional amendment (Prop. 9 >39% of the state budget MUST be spent on K-12 "education."

Meanwhile, California is 49th in the league tables in educational results. (Que?) Liberals say we need to spend more. I've responded that we should cut educational subvention to the bone. We can only drop one place. Move over, Mississippi, you've got competition!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:06 PM (YqDXo)

277 To be fair, I don't really care about the future financial health of the country either. At least not until the default is out of the way, and either the crushing defeat of the leftists and/or the national divorce.

This is like having your spouse run up 400k in credit card debt, then try to poison you to death. You don't buckle down and worry about paying off the debt - you divorce them and kick them the fuck out.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at July 21, 2019 02:07 PM (67XdO)

278 271

Every month is different incentives from different manufacturers. It can vary by several thousand dollars between June and July for example or between March and April.

I bought my truck a couple of years ago for almost 30% off MSRP since I hit a sweet spot of incentive bonanza. It's just in time pricing, certain model didn't sell well the previous month, those units need to move the next month and will be heavily discounted.

The end of the month thing is kind of a myth.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 02:07 PM (FiUMj)

279 Easy. H1B doctors will gladly work for $40K a year. See England's NHS for Exhibit A.

And those H1B doctors are the only ones available to provide medical services to the parasite class.

And if the parasite class complains - call them out as racists for hating on the H1Bs.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:08 PM (lD3vL)

280 I remember when someone hear used to call him Luap Nor so the whackadoodles wouldn't get all Truh Ttub.

Luap Nor FTW!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 02:08 PM (Z+IKu)

281 The GOP elites are bear much responsibility for our problems. They helped crush the Tea Party and collaborated with the Democrats.

I put it all on their shoulders. If they had done right when they had the power to do so, and fought when they didn't we wouldn't be in this state. Instead they lust after more spending because that means power for them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 02:09 PM (39g3+)

282 I bought my truck a couple of years ago for almost 30% off MSRP since I hit a sweet spot of incentive bonanza.

Meanwhile, the new Jeep Gladiator is going $8k over MSRP.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:09 PM (lD3vL)

283 It's called 2CarPros iirc. They have utub and radio and web site. The main honcho used to own car dealerships and is a car nut. His site walks you through a lot of questions.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 02:10 PM (x3tTl)

284 "And come on, isn't $18 worth it to have good schools?"


a local farmer that lives in town was getting fed up with the increases ... and how the teachers retire early on golden pensions ... approaching $100k in a low cost town. He said "what do we have to do, start killing them". He seems like a moderate guy for the most part ... a professional before he went (back) to farming.


But the smaller towns are under strain, but just last year teacher went on strike ... which itself is absurd since the are government AND monopoly, and can never fire them on performance, and 9 months a year ... disgusting. And probably 90% Democrat ... teaching kids to hate Trump. less in smaller towns, but still most are Dems.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 21, 2019 02:11 PM (Cus5s)

285 Going to lose the property tax homestead exemption in which the taxes are cut in half.

Turn it over to rental property and deduct every single expense.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:12 PM (lD3vL)

286 When buying a car, whether used or new, never negotiate on payment. Negotiate price. Then if you have to finance figure out the financing. But negotiating a payment is a sure fire way to get fucked as the buyer.


Depends. If you also include the length of the loan then you are basically negotiating the price and you force them to figure out how to make the deal.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:12 PM (2DOZq)

287 I think people are willfully ignorant about teacher salaries too. They still think teachers are getting paid $18K per year, and have to buy all their own crayons and glue sticks.

What utter bullshit.


A friend of mine was a VP of a major bank who lost his job in a reshuffle, and was old enough he had trouble finding another job. (You know those age discrimination laws? Yeah. Good one.)

His brother and sister had become teachers, and were in Fat City, so late in life he clawed his way into becoming a math teacher (he'd been a math major). He was stuck in a shitty neighborhood, but stuck it out and retired with a hefty pension.

So I don't want to hear about how teachers are underpaid. If you have trouble recruiting suitably qualified people, THEN you're underpaying. But if you have to fight back qualified applicants with a baseball bat, you are most definitely NOT underpaying.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:12 PM (YqDXo)

288 286 When buying a car, whether used or new, never negotiate on payment. Negotiate price. Then if you have to finance figure out the financing. But negotiating a payment is a sure fire way to get fucked as the buyer.


Depends. If you also include the length of the loan then you are basically negotiating the price and you force them to figure out how to make the deal.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:12 PM (2DOZq)

___

Dealers don't lend money.

Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 02:13 PM (FiUMj)

289 Should don my flame resistant suit and go water my garden.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 02:14 PM (BbGew)

290 Cooling off. Down to 100F.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 02:14 PM (Ws3LK)

291 "And come on, isn't $18 worth it to have good schools?"

They claim it is to pay the teachers more.

"What, you have been holding back? Isn't that extortion?"

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:14 PM (lD3vL)

292 And those H1B doctors are the only ones available to provide medical services to the parasite class.

And if the parasite class complains - call them out as racists for hating on the H1Bs.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:08 PM (lD3vL)
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Those H1B doctors are the only one's available to deliver services to rural America.

No H1B Doc, No Doc in Littleberg.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 02:14 PM (x3tTl)

293 Meanwhile, California is 49th in the league tables in educational results. (Que?)

Si... I live in NorCal... the Hispanics have ruined the schools, I know I'm racist, but there were some good charter schools... CA. couldn't have that so they have legislation more or less killing them too.

Posted by: It's me donna at July 21, 2019 02:14 PM (O2RFr)

294 279 Easy. H1B doctors will gladly work for $40K a year. See England's NHS for Exhibit A.

And those H1B doctors are the only ones available to provide medical services to the parasite class.

And if the parasite class complains - call them out as racists for hating on the H1Bs.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:08 PM (lD3vL)


I knew someone who was involved with hiring physicians for prisons. Yow.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:15 PM (YqDXo)

295 Unexploded Allied bomb unexpectedly explodes in Germany. No casualties but a big hole.

https://bit.ly/2JYFDjX

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 02:16 PM (+y/Ru)

296 A friend of mine was a VP of a major bank who lost his job in a reshuffle, and was old enough he had trouble finding another job. (You know those age discrimination laws? Yeah. Good one.)

The ADEA is a fucking joke. All they have to claim is you're "overqualified."

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 02:16 PM (NWiLs)

297 And those H1B doctors are the only ones available to provide medical services to the parasite class.

And if the parasite class complains - call them out as racists for hating on the H1Bs. "

Since everyone is about to be given Medical Degrees based on their Wokeness rather than on what they know, the H1B's may end up being more talented than anyone from this country.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 21, 2019 02:17 PM (k1TUh)

298 Dealers don't lend money.
Posted by: Lurking Lurker at July 21, 2019 02:13 PM (FiUM

Not technically , but it makes no difference . They know what lenders they have and rates.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:17 PM (2DOZq)

299 Going to lose the property tax homestead exemption in which the taxes are cut in half.

Turn it over to rental property and deduct every single expense.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy

No can do. Sold my house and moved in here. (Promise made, I don't go back on promises.) The mortgage is way more than half paid off. Very nice neighborhood and I have known some of the neighbors for decades. I will be able to claim the exemption on my own soon enough.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:17 PM (BLFnH)

300 #133 if California West of the San Andreas fault were to drown in the Pacific the remainder would be a reliably red state.

Posted by: torabora at July 21, 2019 02:18 PM (OqSi4)

301 Si... I live in NorCal... the Hispanics have ruined the schools, I know I'm racist, but there were some good charter schools... CA. couldn't have that so they have legislation more or less killing them too.
Posted by: It's me donna at July 21, 2019 02:14 PM (O2RFr)


A friend and neighbor of mine is a dual citizen was telling about one of his cousins (he has a zillion of them!) who worked with some plantation in Mexico or Central America (I've forgotten which).

The cousin was trying to implement education for the children of those who worked the plantation. His biggest impediment? The parents saw no point in it. They wanted Juan and Lupe to go to work as soon as they were out of diapers.

So that cultural perspective is part of the problem.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:18 PM (YqDXo)

302 Willowed ... but I'm so impressed by Correira's development as a writer that I'm repeating.

Just downloaded and started reading Correira's Son of the Black Sword.

Great heavens, this is the same guy who wrote the MHI books? I swear, the style and even genre are totally different. Even not quite through the first chapter, I can say I'm unlikely to get much sleep tonight, even if there aren't any sequels -- and I think I saw one at Amazon.

Talk about developing as a writer -- this is astonishing, truly.

Posted by: Empire1 at July 21, 2019 02:19 PM (ZWw89)

303 The ADEA is a fucking joke. All they have to claim is you're "overqualified."
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 02:16 PM (NWiLs)


It really is. Anyone over 50 is pretty much hosed, from what I've heard.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (YqDXo)

304 They claim it is to pay the teachers more.

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Studies show that a teacher who is paid 18% more teaches 18% better.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (v4v6L)

305 Unexploded Allied bomb unexpectedly explodes in Germany.

Metaphor alert.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (YqDXo)

306 303
Anyone over 50 is pretty much hosed, from what I've heard.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (YqDXo)


Yeah, that's kind of an impediment to saving Social Security by raising the retirement age.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 02:22 PM (sdi6R)

307 The ADEA is a fucking joke. All they have to claim is you're "overqualified."
Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 02:16 PM (NWiLs)

I've learned your resume has to fit the job you're applying for.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:22 PM (2DOZq)

308 Studies show that a teacher who is paid 18% more teaches 18% better.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (v4v6L)


That's the implication, isn't it? So now they're resting on the oars, but if they get more money, they'll actually do their jobs? Is that what they want us to believe?

The truth: educational results are much more a function of the demographics of the students and the teachers than they are of the amount spent on education.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:22 PM (YqDXo)

309
It really is. Anyone over 50 is pretty much hosed, from what I've heard.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

I was so relieved to get the job I have. Was out of work for a year and landed one a year and a half ago. Not easy for a *mumble* yo. Also probably one the the best places I have worked! I will retire from there in just over seven years.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:23 PM (BLFnH)

310
Those H1B doctors are the only one's available to deliver services to rural America.



No H1B Doc, No Doc in Littleberg.

Posted by: Charles the Simple at July 21, 2019 02:14 PM (x3tTl)

+++
It is not just paying the doctors to say, "Open your mouth and say aaah".It is the costs of the facilities, the tests, the testing equipment, the medicines, and all of the extra components - the millions of tons of disposable paper products used in just everyday office visits.

Posted by: washrivergal at July 21, 2019 02:23 PM (9+jnX)

311 305 Unexploded Allied bomb unexpectedly explodes in Germany.

Metaphor alert.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (YqDXo)
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Has it started?!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 02:24 PM (MVjcR)

312 311 305 Unexploded Allied bomb unexpectedly explodes in Germany.

Metaphor alert.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (YqDXo)
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Has it started?!
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 02:24 PM (MVjcR)


A metaphor for the immigration bomb.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:24 PM (YqDXo)

313 My grandfather would say , 'I paid for your parents education, they should pay for yours.'

So lets do some of the maths.

Say a teacher "works" for thirty years then gets that Fat Pension.

Class room size is twenty kids. K-12 is thirteen years. To keep it simple, the teacher officiates the same kennel of kids year after year until they graduate. That is just over two litters of children in a single career. so what? Roughly 45 kids received any benefit from that teacher.

That teacher pulls $100k in benefits annually, live another thirty-forty years in retirement at a reduced but COLA matching increasing rate. We are looking at no less than $4.5 million spread across forty five people. Each of those kids needs to pony up $100k just for the teacher alone. Probably quadruple that number to cover the facilities, operation, admin and maintenance costs, the stadiums, the band equipment, the buses, the usual graft, fraud and corruption.

All for an "education" that doesn't include identifying the three branches of government, how to balance a checkbook, or able to tell the difference between a biological man and a woman.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:24 PM (lD3vL)

314 I've learned your resume has to fit the job you're applying for.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation

THIS. I took classes at the local county workforce center. It was a big help.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:24 PM (BLFnH)

315 312 311 305 Unexploded Allied bomb unexpectedly explodes in Germany.

Metaphor alert.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (YqDXo)
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Has it started?!
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 02:24 PM (MVjcR)

A metaphor for the immigration bomb.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:24 PM (YqDXo)
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Oh. That.

Dang it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 02:25 PM (MVjcR)

316 debt?
never heard of it

Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 02:26 PM (dm05u)

317 Talk about developing as a writer -- this is astonishing, truly.

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I read Gravity Wells by Canadian syfy author James Alan Gardner. It is a collection of his short stories (some rather and-American). His range impressed me. Some are light comedies, others dark and foreboding.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 02:26 PM (+y/Ru)

318 I've learned your resume has to fit the job you're applying for.

My resume says nothing about insurance yet I keep getting emails from State Farm saying that my background would be perfect to be an insurance agent.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:27 PM (lD3vL)

319 Yeah $18 more a year on top of the $21 from last year and the $35 from the year before that and the $65 from the year before that, and the $216 from the special bond of 5 years ago, etc.

And the schools get worse each year.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 02:28 PM (39g3+)

320 Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 01:58 PM (cY3LT)

I always bought used cars from the previous owner. I never set foot in a car dealer. But the last time I needed a car, I had enough money in the bank to pay for it, and saw an ad for a car in my price range that was marked down 14% from the sticker price.

I remembered that a customer at work had told me that the end of a quarter was the best time to buy because the dealers want to turn over inventory. The date was June 30.

So I went in there, took a test drive, and signed the paperwork. The next day I returned with a cashier's check from my bank and drove home.

Maybe I could have gotten a better deal if I had haggled, but I think I did OK.
Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 02:06 PM (sdi6R)


Yeah, I'll spare details, but I'm going to have a new car in a few weeks, will be paying near what the dealer paid for it (they say I'm getting it at their cost, but I'm not that gullible).

And I'm fine with that. They're not in the business of giving away cars, and I don't go in with the idea that salesmen are jerks and scum. They're people, trying to earn a living. I'll get what I want, they get what they want.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 02:28 PM (cY3LT)

321 Living debt free can be done, tricky but it can be done.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 02:28 PM (BbGew)

322 Watching women's beach volleyball. Brazil vs US. Playing in Gstadd, Switzerland. The views all round are amazing.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 02:28 PM (2DOZq)

323 It really is. Anyone over 50 is pretty much hosed, from what I've heard.

I'm in tech and had over four competing offers at one time a month ago. That isn't "come in for an interview" that is bona fide "here is a dollar amount, when can you start?"

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:29 PM (lD3vL)

324 Democrats NOOD

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 02:31 PM (BbGew)

325 Since everyone is about to be given Medical Degrees based on their Wokeness eagerness to perform abortions and addadicktomy operations rather than on what they know,

FIFY

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:31 PM (lD3vL)

326 Cleveland company releases flamethrower drone spitting out 25-foot-long, targeted stream of fire
POSTED 9:11 PM, JULY 20, 2019, BY NATASHA ANDERSON

I could use one of those. Keep the kids off my lawn.

https://bit.ly/2YjnVAG

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 02:31 PM (+y/Ru)

327 Studies show that a teacher who is paid 18% more teaches 18% better.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 21, 2019 02:20 PM (v4v6L)

You know the old saw about everyone is most conservative about what they themselves know best? It seems to be the opposite for teachers I have known. This is only my experience, but every one is a blue eyed zealot, Jonestown kool aid drinker when it comes to pretty much anything related to teaching reform or fiscal responsibility- even the ones who are actually pretty rational and logical about other things.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 21, 2019 02:32 PM (ycWCI)

328 Flying into LGB next month. Unfortunate call numbers. It looks nicer than I remember.

Posted by: Infidel at July 21, 2019 02:32 PM (BLFnH)

329 Sad to say that President Trump will sign this.

Posted by: GigantorX at July 21, 2019 02:33 PM (4M9SF)

330 I've learned your resume has to fit the job you're applying for.
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My resume says nothing about insurance yet I keep getting emails from State Farm saying that my background would be perfect to be an insurance agent.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 02:27 PM (lD3vL)


Have you ever been convicted of racketeering and/or loan sharking?

That may be why.

No but seriously, yes. A lot of the time, the resume is going to be read by a computer, before a human ever sees it. So you look at the job description, then look at your qualifications. What you put on your resume MUST match their description as closely as possible... and with some level of concern as to whether you do, indeed, have the skills you say you have.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 02:34 PM (cY3LT)

331 Skip --

Yes, living debt free can be done ... and after the first year or two, it's actually easy. Mr. Empire and I have been doing it for at least 20 years now. Paid cash for our current car (it was used) after the old one was totalled the day of Obama's re-election, so maintained our record there!

Posted by: Empire1 at July 21, 2019 02:34 PM (ZWw89)

332 I'm okay with this kind if budget and debt. What can't go on forever won't. So they are inadvertently doing more to destroy the federal government than the GOP has tried in the last two decades. And I don't feel sorry for anyone holding our debt, because at some point someone sensible has to look at the situation and know that it will never be satisfied.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 21, 2019 02:36 PM (H5knJ)

333 The perpetrator has come forward disputing her version and she backed down. Plus he's a Trump-hating Donk from Cuba.



Well, at least he was a white hispanic.



https://bit.ly/2YbxYYA

https://bit.ly/2JSt2yt

https://bit.ly/2Lz3lWZ

https://bit.ly/2JGCoi2



Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 02:01 PM (+y/Ru)


She's got some splainin' to do. But because Democrat won't have to

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 21, 2019 02:46 PM (oVjPY)

334 Welp, time for baseball

Catch all ya'll on the gun thread!

Posted by: blake - my preferred pronoun is: Pronoun! at July 21, 2019 02:55 PM (WEBkv)

335 People should demand the same level of efficiency from the government that they demand of Apple or Samsung, but they don't, and then whine about all the crap they get.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 03:25 PM (u0f7+)

336 In order for spending to ever be cut, a faction needs either 60 votes in the Senate, or the 50 votes to return the filibuster to it's pre-70's state(the preferred course of action) or abolish it entirely. Anything short of that, and serious spending cuts will never be made, only stuff that lets you nibble at the edges and slight of hand like Trump is doing with the departments he's moving out of DC.

Posted by: ravenshrike at July 21, 2019 04:58 PM (f3oi6)

337 So that cultural perspective is part of the problem.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 21, 2019 02:18 PM (YqDXo)

THIS.

CULTURAL MINDSETS, not race, is the issue. If you hail from a culture that does not value education, the less likely you will value education.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 05:24 PM (u0f7+)

Sunday Morning Book Thread 07-21-2019

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Library of Tsar Nicholas II, Hermitage Museum, St. Petersburg

Good morning to all you 'rons, 'ettes, lurkers, and lurkettes, wine moms, frat bros, crétins sans pantalon, acidheads, barrelheads, blackheads, blockheads, boneheads, and I'm not even through with the B's yet. Welcome once again to the stately, prestigious, internationally acclaimed and high-class Sunday Morning Book Thread, a weekly compendium of reviews, observations, snark, and a continuing conversation on books, reading, writing, and publishing by escaped oafs and oafettes who follow words with their fingers and whose lips move as they read. Unlike other AoSHQ comment threads, the Sunday Morning Book Thread is so hoity-toity, pants are required. Even if it's these pants and for the love of Mike, what kind of a mother would send her son to school dressed like that?? She might just as well have sewn a big "kick me" patch on the seat of his trousers. Poor kid probably grew up and joined a religious cult, or Antifa (same thing, really), if he ever survived high school.



Book Quote

Crazytown was repelled by facts and knowledge, as oil fled from water, but was fascinated by the absence of hard facts, since it provided vacant space in which to construct elaborate edifices of speculation.

--Neal Stephenson, Fall: or, Dodge in Hell

Best description of the internet, ever.

(h/t Sonny Bunch)


Copyright Infringement

I wonder how many of you moron authors have problems with unauthorized sales of your books?

Moron commenter mindful webworker pointed me to this article which pointed to this article about a Belarus-based book site that frequently does this, i.e. sell books without the author's permission. So if you're an author, this may be worth looking into.


It Pays To Increase Your Word Power®

In 18th century English, a CATCHFART was a servile, fawning sycophant -- so called because they would appear to walk so closely behind their masters.

Usage: "The Democratic Party and the catchfart media complex" sounds about right.




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Independent Bookstores, the Bulwark of Freedom

Last week, 'ette commenter 'Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily', posted a link to What is a ‘good bookstore’? that appeared in the The Hindu, that discussed independent bookstores from an international perspective. Elinor: "The writer is concerned with independent bookstores (there is international concern about the dominance of Amazon) and 'the ways in which independent bookstores nourish our reading and thinking lives.'

As Lewis Buzbee recounted in his 2006 classic, The Yellow-Lighted Bookshop: A Memoir, A History, bookstores have always been key sites of resistance to censorship. Buzbee, a former bookseller himself, writes: “For most of its history, the bookstore has remained free of the constraints of government regulation. Writers and publishers have often suffered under explicit censorship, but the bookstore itself, in part because it appears to be a mere store rather than a powerful force in society, has been ignored. Anonymity has its rewards.” Plus: “Because the bookstore has also remained — again for the good part — a mom-and-pop, little- or no-profit institution, it’s also remained free of the corporate graphs and margins.” These two things have combined to make the bookstore “a stronghold of the rights of free expression”.

These days, I do pretty much all of my reading on my tablet, but even so, I am becoming more and more convinced that the future of free speech and free thought is not with e-books, the internet, and the world wide web, but with independent bookstores and private libraries. The Silicon Valley tech giants have demonstrated the frightening ease with which it is now possible to manipulate text and images, and thus, perceptions -- even without the user's knowledge or prior consent. This is the sort of stuff that Orwell had nightmares about.



The Mysterious Disappearance of Agatha Christie:


Just click on the little blue tweety-bird on the upper right and follow the thread.


Moron Recommendations

From "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck" by Mark Manson:

By not giving a fuck that you feel bad, you short-circuit the Feedback Loop from Hell; you say to yourself, "I feel like shit, but who gives a fuck?" And then, as if sprinkled by magic fuck-giving fairy dust, you stop hating yourself for feeling so bad.

Wanting positive experience is a negative experience; accepting negative experience is a positive experience. It's what the philosopher Alan Watts used to refer to as "the backwards law" -- the idea that the more you pursue feeling better all the time, the less satisfied you become, as pursuing something only reinforces the fact that you lack it in the first place.

In my life, I have given a fuck about many things. I have also not given a fuck about many things. And like the road not taken, it was the fucks not given that made all the difference.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 14, 2019 09:01 AM (kQs4Y)

From the Amazon blurb:

Manson makes the argument, backed both by academic research and well-timed poop jokes, that improving our lives hinges not on our ability to turn lemons into lemonade, but on learning to stomach lemons better. Human beings are flawed and limited—"not everybody can be extraordinary, there are winners and losers in society, and some of it is not fair or your fault." Manson advises us to get to know our limitations and accept them. Once we embrace our fears, faults, and uncertainties, once we stop running and avoiding and start confronting painful truths, we can begin to find the courage, perseverance, honesty, responsibility, curiosity, and forgiveness we seek.

There are only so many things we can give a f**k about so we need to figure out which ones really matter, Manson makes clear. While money is nice, caring about what you do with your life is better, because true wealth is about experience. A much-needed grab-you-by-the-shoulders-and-look-you-in-the-eye moment of real-talk, filled with entertaining stories and profane, ruthless humor, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F**k is a refreshing slap for a generation to help them lead contented, grounded lives.

The Kindle edition of The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck: A Counterintuitive Approach to Living a Good Life is $12.99. It is the first of a two-part series, the second one being Everything Is F*cked: A Book About Hope.

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A couple of books dealing with various aspects of Islamic terrorism:

378 About that whole Islamic conquest thing, I can't recommend anything higher than Tom Holland's "In the Shadow of the Sword," a terrific portrait of the Middle East in late antiquity. Holland explains how the Arabs were able to beat down the Byzantines and conquer the Persians: Not only had the two legendary empires been bled out after continual warfare, but both had been greatly weakened by an outbreak of the plague shortly before the Arabs swept out of the desert. Things might have turned out very differently otherwise.

Holland also presents a wealth of information about early Islam that you won't find in Gibbon.

Posted by: outside Adjitator at July 14, 2019 03:23 PM (NvFiZ)

And the amazing part is how fast the Arabs were able to conquer their enemies:

Just like the Romans, the Arabs came from nowhere to carve out a stupefyingly vast dominion—except that they achieved their conquests not over the course of centuries as the Romans did but in a matter of decades. Just like the Greeks during the Persian wars, they overcame seemingly insuperable odds to emerge triumphant against the greatest empire of the day—not by standing on the defensive, however, but by hurling themselves against all who lay in their path.

Emphasis mine. In the Shadow of the Sword: The Birth of Islam and the Rise of the Global Arab Empire is available on Kindle for $10.99. It is on my TBR stack.

125 Just reread Raymond Ibrahim's "Sword and the Scimitar" since the War College blocked him from speaking. A Cogent, factual, explanatory, historically correct analysis of the conflict between Islam and the West. Read it and you'll know why the radical islamists don't want you to.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 14, 2019 10:18 AM (VkWRL)

Sword and Scimitar: Fourteen Centuries of War between Islam and the West is straight-up military history which

...chronicles the decisive battles that arose from this ages-old Islamic jihad, beginning with the first major Islamic attack on Christian land in 636, through the Muslim occupation of nearly three-quarters of Christendom which prompted the Crusades, followed by renewed Muslim conquests by Turks and Tatars, to the European colonization of the Muslim world in the 1800s, when Islam largely went on the retreat--until its reemergence in recent times. Using original sources in Arabic and Greek, preeminent historian Raymond Ibrahim describes each battle in vivid detail and explains how these wars and the larger historical currents of the age reflect the cultural fault lines between Islam and the West.

The book covers 8 crucial battles, 4 won by the Muslim armies and 4 by the West. The equal balance wasn't planned, that was just the way it worked out:

The majority of these landmark battles--including the battles of Yarmuk, Tours, Manzikert, the sieges at Constantinople and Vienna, and the crusades in Syria and Spain--are now forgotten or considered inconsequential. Yet today, as the West faces a resurgence of this enduring Islamic jihad, Sword and Scimitar provides the needed historical context to understand the current relationship between the West and the Islamic world--and why the Islamic State is merely the latest chapter of an old history.

I've just started this one this week. It's interesting, very thorough, and the forward was written by Victor Davis Hanson.


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377 I'm reading a fascinating book from the 1830s called "The Memorial of St. Helena." It was written by one of the guys who accompanied Napoleon to St. Helena. It is the daily life of the Emperor and the little French group who were there. Napoleon was treated shabbily and it was unnecessary. He seems very charming and even adorable (yes, it is an effort to rehabilitate him in history but I think he really was charming). The English people living there fell in love with him (except for the ones who were in charge of him). He has decided to learn English so he can read the newspapers. Right now the author is translating them to him. It's on gutenberg.org.

Posted by: microcosme at July 14, 2019 02:14 PM (B+xWY)

For some reason, I couldn't find it on gutenberg. But it is available on openlibrary.org and archive.org. For free. For you moron historians: the British had already done this one time before, exiling Nappy to Elba, but he managed to escape just a few months later. Why didn't they just execute the SOB while they had the chance?

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Books By Morons

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'Ette author Celia Hayes has just released the Kindle edition of Luna City: Behind the 8 Ball, which, as the title suggests, is the 8th of her Chronicles of Luna City series, about life in a small town in Karnes County, Texas, population 2,456, give or take. In this installment:

Fugitive former celebrity chef Richard Astor-Hall is beset with travails attempting to build a new life: an old girlfriend turns up as the bride at a lavish wedding, the family of his pet cat and cooking partner (Captain Kitten in the Kitchen) turn up and demand that the cat be returned ... and then there is the matter of the long-missing artistic treasure, the Gonzaga Reliquary, which may still be hidden somewhere around the old Gonzalez family home ranch ... Folklore, home folks and gentle comedy about in this eighth venture to the most perfect small town in Texas

$2.99 on Kindle. Print editions should be evailable shortly, later on this month.




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So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, bribes, insults, threats, ugly pants pics and moron library submissions may be sent to OregonMuse, Proprietor, AoSHQ Book Thread, at the book thread e-mail address: aoshqbookthread, followed by the 'at' sign, and then 'G' mail, and then dot cee oh emm.

What have you all been reading this week? Hopefully something good, because, as you all know, life is too short to be reading lousy books.

Posted by: OregonMuse at 09:00 AM




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1 Hello bibliophiles and -phappers!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:01 AM (kQs4Y)

2 Tolle Lege

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 09:01 AM (BbGew)

3 I take too much joy in this simple act.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:01 AM (kQs4Y)

4 I though summer time was for reading, haven't touched a book in two weeks.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 09:02 AM (BbGew)

5 Good morning in the golden age.

Posted by: Marooned at July 21, 2019 09:03 AM (8hRlF)

6 Good morning fellow Book Threadists. Hope everyone had a great week of reading. Since it's been hotter than the surface of the sun around here, reading was a pleasant, non-sweaty activity.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 09:03 AM (bmdz3)

7 PlaidStallyns!!!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:03 AM (kQs4Y)

8 "So if you're an author, this may be....."

The suspense is killing me!

Posted by: Tami at July 21, 2019 09:04 AM (cF8AT)

9 When I'm elected president of these United States, my first official act will be to passionately kiss every female in the country on their humid, open mouth. I'll even kiss some of them queers in drag cuz I'm an inclusive and damned hip kind of guy.

Posted by: Biden, on living room floor sorting jelly jars full of buttons at July 21, 2019 09:04 AM (tt1wG)

10 booken morgen horden!
thank you OM for the ONT rescue!

Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 09:05 AM (dm05u)

11 'Morning Readers!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:06 AM (MVjcR)

12 "Never force the back; if it does not readily yield, it is too tightly or strongly lined".

Too true!

And speaking of spines, I love that dual row of old books.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:07 AM (kQs4Y)

13 I always read before falling asleep. For years I read 100+ books/year. Then I discovered Ace and the ONT. My time on Ace has drastically reduced the number of books I'm able to read!

Posted by: Ladyl urgent prayer needed for Laura and Allison at July 21, 2019 09:07 AM (TdMsT)

14 So yesterday I posted 3 of my favorite Horde series that are on Kindle Unlimited since there is a KU new subscription deal now
linky in nicky

Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 09:07 AM (dm05u)

15 I haven't done any reading this week. Trying not to overtax my brain.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:08 AM (MVjcR)

16 Late getting ready for church and I'm mostly just posting to get this in my name field.

Yay books and y'all have fun.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - 2nd Chronicles 14:7 at July 21, 2019 09:08 AM (+0ddm)

17 Didn’t I link this before? Sebastian Gorka on C-SPAN’s After Words, discussing his book “Why We Fight: Defeating America’s Enemies – With No apologies” (which I liked):

https://www.c-span.org/video/?456973-1/after-words-sebastian-gorka

The subtitle is a slap against the 8 years of Obama apology tours.

The most unsettling story was his father’s group of underground patriots gathering intelligence on the Soviet regime in Hungary and passing it on to interested Western parties. Alas, the people most interested were MI6 – specifically Kim Philby. Philby betrayed the key players to Moscow and the Hungarian secret police.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:09 AM (kQs4Y)

18 How to Open a New Book

* Make sure that your Kindle is charged and connected to the internet.
* Use the search function in your browser to find your book.
* Choose "Kindle Version"
* Press 1-Click to purchase
* Wait for the download to complete.
* Start reading.

Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy at July 21, 2019 09:09 AM (lD3vL)

19 15 I haven't done any reading this week. Trying not to overtax my brain.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:08 AM (MVjcR)
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In this weather, you could overheat it!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:09 AM (kQs4Y)

20 Eris!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:10 AM (MVjcR)

21 Plaidstallions omg
70s, right?

Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 09:10 AM (dm05u)

22
In this weather, you could overheat it!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:09 AM (kQs4Y)
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Ain't that the truth! Staying cool?

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:11 AM (MVjcR)

23 "The Silicon Valley tech giants have demonstrated the frightening ease with which it is now possible to manipulate text and images, and thus, perceptions -- even without the user's knowledge or prior consent. This is the sort of stuff that Orwell had nightmares about."

OM, I touch on this in one of my comments. I didn't want to start a rant, so I'll just say that I, too, am concerned and agree.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 09:11 AM (bmdz3)

24 Since yesterday have been filling the real time rebroadcast of the Apollo 11 mission, it's at 119:39hrs, lift off from the moon is at 124:22
https://apolloinrealtime.org/11/mobile/

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 09:11 AM (BbGew)

25 And here's Mollie Hemingway discussing her new book on the Kavanaugh hearings:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?462197-1/after-words-mollie-hemingway-carrie-severino

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:11 AM (kQs4Y)

26 I put Fritz Leiber aside for the moment and am reading "Justice on Trial". I was not following politics during the Bork confirmation battle, so if nothing else, I learned about that. Pretty good so far.

Posted by: roamingfirehydrant at July 21, 2019 09:12 AM (THS4q)

27 I believe Agatha Christie's "lost days" occurred when her mother died and her husband left her.

I ve read Christie's autobiography many times--it's excellent--much better than her fiction--but she does not say where she went during the lost days.

Posted by: Ladyl urgent prayer needed for Laura and Allison at July 21, 2019 09:12 AM (TdMsT)

28 Thanks, OM - for the plug and the link!
(And for those who want to get caught up on the Luna City chronicles, the first six volumes are available in a pair of compendium e-books. Print versions available around the end of the year.)

Posted by: Sgt. Mom at July 21, 2019 09:13 AM (xnmPy)

29 I read House of Assassins by Larry Correia. This is the second book in the Saga of the Forgotten Warrior series following Son of the Black Sword. This is a typical Correia action-packed fantasy with wizards to battle and monsters to slay. Great escape read. Now to wait another year for the next book in the series to appear.

I also read Spy Master by Brad Thor. Typical of Thor's thrillers, there is a lot of action as Scot Horvath tries to prevent a Russian invasion of the Baltics. One of the reasons I like Thor's novels is that the scenarios in his books are highly probable of happening in today's world. I'm on the library's waiting list for his latest, Backlash.

Posted by: Zoltan at July 21, 2019 09:13 AM (0Bfo6)

30 I take too much joy in this simple act.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes



Joy is good, no matter what Alan Watts says, especially for you darlin'.

Good morning people of the books.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 09:13 AM (fuK7c)

31 Staying cool?
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My inner coolth protects me against meltdowns.

But yeah, it's supposed to get into the triple digits today, at least the heat index.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:13 AM (kQs4Y)

32 The Silicon Valley tech giants have demonstrated the frightening ease with which it is now possible to manipulate text and images, and thus, perceptions -- even without the user's knowledge or prior consent. This is the sort of stuff that Orwell had nightmares about.

==

Moron Hans Schantz's Hidden Truth series tackles that.

Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 09:14 AM (dm05u)

33
My inner coolth protects me against meltdowns.

But yeah, it's supposed to get into the triple digits today, at least the heat index.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:13 AM (kQs4Y)
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I need some of that inner cool. Hey - does readin the book thread count as reading?

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:14 AM (MVjcR)

34
I’m midway through Clifford Simak’s “All Flesh Is Grass” (1965) in which the inhabitants of the small Midwestern town of Millville wake up to find themselves enclosed under an invisible dome. It’s the handiwork of aliens, but unlike most stories, they come not from space but from another dimension. This is decades before King’s “Under the Dome”.

Simak was not the misanthrope King is. He always had compassion for his characters and for small town life, warts and all. I think he is one of our more literary SF writers and the tale proceeds at a leisurely, occasionally dreamlike pace.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:14 AM (kQs4Y)

35 Learning "How to Open a New Book" was a thrilling rite of passage in the second or third grade when we got our first actual textbooks.

Posted by: sinmi at July 21, 2019 09:15 AM (A5IVt)

36 Morning everyone!

Stormy weather here in Michigan. We had a brief power outage yesterday that caused enough of a flicker to kill our ageing modem. New one arrives Tuesday, but until then I'm using my phone as a mobile hotspot.

Crazy the tech we have these days.

Closing in on the end of Volume V of the Book I Love to Hate, but the hate is weak right now. I'm actually learning a few things about the Muslim conquest of Spain, which is nice.

My soon-to-be-heavily edited next book is also moving forward, though I doubt I'll make my self-imposed deadline of getting the first draft done by mid-August. Mid-September is quite realistic, though.

Last night I wrote the bg reveal (in a chapter I cunningly titled "The Big Reveal") where one character tells the other "yes, I'm a vampire and here's what that means."

So that's out of the way and I feel the need for a bit of an action sequence to pick things up and keep it all moving. Maybe a sniper atop the Mackinac Bridge?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 09:15 AM (HIUfw)

37 Read "The Revenant" by Michael Punke. It's the story of Hugh Glass who in August 1823 was horribly mauled by a momma grizzly near present day Lemmon, South Dakota while working as a fur trapper for the Rocky Mountain Fur Company. Two men, John Fitzgerald and a teenager, possibly Jim Bridger, were left behind to bury him when he died. The two men abandoned him and took most of his gear including his rifle. But he didn't die and his survival is one of the epic tales of the old west.

It was an ok read. There is a lot of speculation about Glass, but not much is really known about him. I felt Punke included too much fiction, but at least he admits it.

His book is the inspiration for the 2015 Leonardo DiCaprio movie. It bears little resemblance to what is known or thought to be known about Glass's experience. These were real people and I hate it when hollywood mangles their lives just for entertainment.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at July 21, 2019 09:15 AM (TDyHc)

38 I love those old, beautiful spines in the picture. Works of art that denote literary gems. Reminds me of the local library, adult section, when I was a mere lad.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 09:15 AM (bmdz3)

39
"Never force the back; if it does not readily yield, it is too tightly or strongly lined".



That hasn't been my experience!

Posted by: Shep! at July 21, 2019 09:17 AM (2EMYr)

40 Why didn't they just execute the SOB while they had the chance?

Well, they did poison Nappy once he got to St. Helena.

More deniability that way.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 09:18 AM (I2/tG)

41 The picture of the old books above is apropos. I finished the biography of N.C. Wyeth and about half of those book jackets were illustrated by him.

I had read one bio of him years ago so I knew the basic story but this author (Michaelis) gives it a much more novelistic arc with foreshadowing and themes and such.

N.C.'s greatest creation is still Andrew, whom I revere above Michelangelo, but it was still fascinating to inhabit their world.

My only real problems is not with the author but with the Wyeths. They were stingy with names and kept using the same ones, or then marrying Pyles and bringing the same Pyle names in. So there's a brother Nat and a son Nat and maybe some Nathaniels and the three major women in his life are Carol, Carolyn, and Caroline. Sheesh.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 09:19 AM (fuK7c)

42 His book is the inspiration for the 2015 Leonardo
DiCaprio movie. It bears little resemblance to what is known or thought
to be known about Glass's experience. These were real people and I hate
it when hollywood mangles their lives just for entertainment.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at July 21, 2019 09:15 AM (TDyHc)

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Whoa, wait - you're saying Hollywood screws up adaptations???

I think the worst one I've ever seen is the awful botch they made of Evelyn Waugh's The Loved One. The two share a title and some character names. Otherwise, completely unrelated.

Ironically, the hideous adaptation ended up making Waugh's point about how much Hollywood sucks.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 09:20 AM (HIUfw)

43
Well, they did poison Nappy once he got to St. Helena.



Aneleh was I ere I saw Helena.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 21, 2019 09:20 AM (oVJmc)

44 Oh, and it was the screen debut of Paul Williams. Weird!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 09:20 AM (HIUfw)

45 Eris, the only Simak I can remember off hand is Way Station. Iirc it was rather melancholy - part of the "humans are doomed to blow themselves up" genre

Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 09:21 AM (dm05u)

46 I'm reading the Marines - Crimson World Series right now. Good Heinlein-before-he-went-crazy type storytelling. Sort of like Starship Troopers, too. Lots of action on ground, in the air and in space.
Plenty of political intrigue and the occasional shot at PC.
I don't recall who here recommended, but it's fun summer reading. Thanks.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:21 AM (i6sQg)

47 that Neal Stephenson quote as regards the internet may be true, but I was disappointed with him portraying 'drive through America' as 'Ameristan', full of religious zealots in Fall.
1 guess as to which religion he dumped all over.
And if he decries misinformation in the internet, it is usually the leftist definition of misinformation. Which usually translates as 'uncomfortable facts'.
Oh and also there of course had to be a trans character shoehorned into Fall...

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at July 21, 2019 09:21 AM (RKQ/v)

48 38 I love those old, beautiful spines in the picture. Works of art that denote literary gems. Reminds me of the local library, adult section, when I was a mere lad.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 09:15 AM (bmdz3)

#metoo

Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 09:21 AM (dm05u)

49 Brodart also recommends breaking in a new book as shown in the illustration. They also sell a tool called a "bone folder" to help smooth down the pages.

http://www.shopbrodart.com/search/?q=bone%2bfolder

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 09:22 AM (sdi6R)

50 My problem with Thor and Correia is they decided to go never Trump and we're vocal about it. Once an author or actor opens their trap it turns me off. It's always there and ruins my enjoyment of otherwise good works....

Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 09:23 AM (UUBmN)

51 My copy of Chapman's "Piloting and Seamanship" arrived this week. Aside from its reference value, it could substitute for a sea anchor if needed. I have no actual need for the book; it's not like I'm going to start sailing at my age. But the information is of interest and I've heard about the book most of my life. Buying it was pure indulgence. The navigation section is the most interesting so far.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 09:23 AM (bmdz3)

52 The How to Open a New Book illustration took me back over 60 years ago to elementary school in Wisconsin. We had to do that if we were issued a new textbook.

Posted by: Zoltan at July 21, 2019 09:23 AM (0Bfo6)

53 Reading 'Churchill Walking with Destiny'. At over a thousand pages, it is an extremely detailed look at his life, perhaps everything you ever wanted to know about Churchill and more. Andrew Roberts had access to far more source material than the many previous biographers which explains its length. Given that Churchill is one of the half dozen most important men in history, I am happy to dedicate the time to it. I have seen several interviews of Roberts and he seems to be genuinely enamored with Churchill and realizes how he did so much to save Western Civilization.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 21, 2019 09:24 AM (KnT4m)

54 I love many of Andrew Wyeth's paintings, but this is one of my favorites:

http://www.swoyersart.com/andrew_wyeth/dr_syn.htm

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:25 AM (kQs4Y)

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51 My copy of Chapman's "Piloting and Seamanship" arrived this week. Aside from its reference value, it could substitute for a sea anchor if needed. I have no actual need for the book; it's not like I'm going to start sailing at my age. But the information is of interest and I've heard about the book most of my life. Buying it was pure indulgence. The navigation section is the most interesting so far.
Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 09:23 AM (bmdz3)
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Hi JTB! You will love Chapman!!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 09:25 AM (MVjcR)

56 40
Why didn't they just execute the SOB while they had the chance?



Well, they did poison Nappy once he got to St. Helena.



More deniability that way.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 09:18 AM (I2/tG)

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Napoleon had committed no crime.

Yes, he killed lots of people, but all rulers do that. He wasn't technically a usurper, either, since he was simply a soldier who continued to serve France and eventually overthrew the Republic.

He was then accepted as legitimate by all the royal houses of Europe, who married his relations in the time-honored way.

Executing royalty simply for losing a war was a precedent exactly no one wanted to set. So exile and a quiet death.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 09:26 AM (HIUfw)

57 Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 09:23 AM (bmdz3)
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You might be interested in the book "Seamanship in the Age of Sail".

Copiously illustrated, it shows the reader all aspects of sailing the big square-riggers of the past.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at July 21, 2019 09:26 AM (iB1oa)

58 I just finished the book "Meet me in Atlantis" by Mark Adams. Quick read, but it explores the origin of the Atlantis and the searches for The city over the years.

Posted by: Picric at July 21, 2019 09:27 AM (nonGu)

59 I love many of Andrew Wyeth's paintings, but this is one of my favorites:


Hmm. That seems rather in the spirit of his father.

There's an N.C. exhibit at the Brandywine this summer and I intend to get down to it.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 09:27 AM (fuK7c)

60 50 My problem with Thor and Correia is they decided to go never Trump and we're vocal about it. Once an author or actor opens their trap it turns me off. It's always there and ruins my enjoyment of otherwise good works....
Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 09:23 AM (UUBmN)
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I'm enjoying the series NOS4A2 and looked up Joe Hill. Went to his Twitter account (my first mistake) and he said Trump rallies are essentially Klan meetings.

Well, he is Stephen King's son, so...

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:28 AM (kQs4Y)

61 24 Since yesterday have been filling the real time rebroadcast of the Apollo 11 mission, it's at 119:39hrs, lift off from the moon is at 124:22
https://apolloinrealtime.org/11/mobile/

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 09:11 AM (BbGew)


Amazing. Yeah, listen to that and think it's faked. Gees. Thanks Skip.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 21, 2019 09:29 AM (l0HIT)

62 "... the future of free speech and free thought is not with e-books, the internet, and the world wide web, but with independent bookstores and private libraries."

Which is exactly why I have a library of about 4000 volumes that I can physically touch.

Also-- I have noticed that archive.org is now in the semi-censoring business. You can still check out "objectionable" stuff but you cannot preview a lot of books-- especially old children's books-- that, e.g., suggest that boys and girls will grow up to have different jobs. I kid you not.

Posted by: Marica at July 21, 2019 09:29 AM (SDvjO)

63 54 I love many of Andrew Wyeth's paintings, but this is one of my favorites:

http://www.swoyersart.com/andrew_wyeth/dr_syn.htm
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:25 AM (kQs4Y)


The Farnsworth Museum in Rockland, Maine, is well worth visiting. It includes many of all the Wyeth's best work, and a special exhibition of Andrew Wyeth work is going on right now. If you love maritime art--this is a fantastic museum.

Posted by: Ladyl urgent prayer needed for Laura and Allison at July 21, 2019 09:30 AM (TdMsT)

64 never understood Correia going never trump
was it some kind of Mormon peer pressure thing?

Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 09:30 AM (dm05u)

65 Whoa, wait - you're saying Hollywood screws up adaptations???
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 09:20 AM (HIUfw)

Yes they do. Often times badly.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at July 21, 2019 09:30 AM (TDyHc)

66 Independent Bookstores, the Bulwark of Freedom

Not any more.

Powell's Books in Portland:

Portland author Blake Nelson is facing a backlash over his new book.

For longtime followers of the local literary scene, that might come as a surprise. Nelson made his name writing young adult novels, and won praise for his realistic depictions of teenage angst. Several of his novels were turned into movies and TV series, most notably Paranoid Park, which was adapted by Gus Van Sant in 2007.

But his latest book, The Red Pill, represents a shift in both genre and content.

The title is a reference to the online anti-feminist movement which divides men into "alpha" and "beta" males and has political associations with the alt-right. The plot spans the year prior to Trump's election through his first year in office, and centers around a "divorced, liberal-minded" man who begins taking dating advice from his Trump-supporting brother-in-law, and gradually gets drawn further into right-wing ideology.


So, he did a reading at Powell's, as many authors do.

While Nelson read to about a dozen people inside the store, a small group-including some of the bookstore's employees-gathered outside near the entrance, handing out flyers describing the "red pill dating strategy" as "misogynistic" and accusing Nelson of being "openly racist, homophobic and transphobic" on social media.

Brianna Bonham, a Powell's employee who organized the protest, says the book reads as an espousal of the "red pill" philosophy.

"If a person is going to be using a name such as 'the red pill,' which is known for hateful rhetoric, and has recorded themselves saying they are part of the red pill movement," Bonham said, "that's enough to align them with a hateful movement that varies from just disrespecting women to rape. That's a dangerous ideology to support."


I guess we should be grateful that they didn't shout the author down at the reading, although I'm sure that's coming for unacceptable books.

But Powell's has started doing "Drag Queen Story Hour", so at least there's that.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 09:30 AM (I2/tG)

67 My interest in colonial and early American history, always present, has been growing lately. I have a number of books coming about travellers on the frontier of mid-1700s to early-ish 1800s. These are mostly journals and diaries, seldom meant for publication, which, in my mind, means they are more likely to be honest. (That may be wishful thinking on my part.) Besides the actual language, they illustrate the provisions, use, resources and social attitudes of the period. The research on which books to order was lengthy and pleasant.

While many are available online, inexpensively, I want physical copies. I don't trust Amazon, Google or mobs with technical access to be able to manipulate or eliminate books they 'disagree' with. A few years ago I might have found that concern to be paranoid. Not any more.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 09:31 AM (bmdz3)

68 I'm on book 4 of Vince Milam's Case Lee series someone recommended here. It's okay. The style of the dialogue takes a bit of getting use to. It's like a secret language that leaves a lot unsaid. That said, I am reading book 4 so it's not awful.

Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 09:32 AM (UUBmN)

69 Those pants are fine. I would wear them with a macrame belt to barbeque in my backyard.

Posted by: early 70s freaked at July 21, 2019 09:32 AM (UdKB7)

70 I watched a interesting documentary on amazon prime based on this book:

Early Islamic Qiblas: A survey of mosques built between 1AH/622 C.E. and 263 AH/876 C.E.
By Dan Gibson

The theory is Petra not Mecca was the original prayer direction of the Mohammadans. His evidence is the prayer direction of early Mosques, lack of match between Quran and Meccan geography, and the Second Islamic Civil War.


Posted by: Dread0 at July 21, 2019 09:32 AM (Bptbo)

71 I love many of Andrew Wyeth's paintings, but this is one of my favorites:

http://www.swoyersart.com/andrew_wyeth/dr_syn.htm
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:25 AM (kQs4Y)

He's been at sea too long.

Posted by: Jake Holenhead at July 21, 2019 09:33 AM (TDyHc)

72 JTB, I grew up with Chapman's. It was instrumental in shaping me in a lot of ways. And it carried over to the next generation - Red, Jr. is a licensed marine Deck Officer.
If you want to know something nautical, start with Chapman's.

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:33 AM (i6sQg)

73 If Hillary runs again, will she publish a book before the election?

Posted by: Picric at July 21, 2019 09:33 AM (nonGu)

74 It is hotter than the hinges of Hell out there.

Can't wait for Labor Day and the unofficial end of Summer.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 21, 2019 09:33 AM (sGotD)

75 66 now I wanna read it but not at my local library grr

Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 09:34 AM (dm05u)

76 Currently reading "The Man From The Train", by Bill James (the baseball guy). About the man who is likely America's most prolific serial killer (100+ victims). He killed ~1898-1912, near train tracks, in areas with minimal / no police presence, entire families in one go, with arson, and other markers.

Great research, but could do without the meandering asides that have little to do with the crime series.

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 09:34 AM (3JbJY)

77 hiya

Posted by: JT at July 21, 2019 09:34 AM (arJlL)

78 34

Can't recall title but there was the same idea in a 30s story where NYC was accidentally sealed for like 50 years under a man made force field, then reopened. Gripping and sad story.

Posted by: doomed at July 21, 2019 09:34 AM (tt1wG)

79 The theory is Petra not Mecca was the original
prayer direction of the Mohammadans. His evidence is the prayer
direction of early Mosques, lack of match between Quran and Meccan
geography, and the Second Islamic Civil War.







Posted by: Dread0 at July 21, 2019 09:32 AM (Bptbo)

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What's the name of the video? When I finish Gibbon I'm going back to a set of essays on early Islam that also challenges the conventional narrative.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 09:34 AM (HIUfw)

80 I read Famous Sheriffs & Western Outlaws by William MacLeod Raine. Originally published in 1929, it was a collection of articles written by Raine (a newspaper reporter) at the turn of the 20th C. He gives what seems to be a pretty even-handed accounting of some incidents that occurred in what was rapidly becoming the "Old West" of the 1870s, such as OK Corral, the Lincoln County War and the Tanto Basin War. Some of the articles are more interesting than others and a couple don't quite fit the theme. One thing that I learned was that the gunfighters tended to alternate between outlawry and being lawmen as their mood and circumstances dictated. Rating = 3.75/5.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 21, 2019 09:35 AM (5Yee7)

81 Weasel! Kindred spirits with Chapman's!

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:35 AM (i6sQg)

82 I am now reading a Moron recommendation, though I think it may have come up in a non-book thread.

God: a Biography.

It removes the theology (we're not to care about whether it's "true") and looks at God as a literary figure. What is he doing at the creation, why is he fucking with people? I'm not very far in, he's messing with Abraham now, but I'm quite enjoying it.

My only disappointment is that I'd hoped for this approach to Jesus, but this God is Jewish bible only.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 09:35 AM (fuK7c)

83 I don't trust Amazon, Google or mobs with technical access to be able to manipulate or eliminate books they 'disagree' with. A few years ago I might have found that concern to be paranoid. Not any more.
Posted by: JTB

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Same here. Some of my colleagues are a bit surprised to find out that I have an actual library in my abode.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 21, 2019 09:36 AM (qup4B)

84 65 Whoa, wait - you're saying Hollywood screws up adaptations???
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 09:20 AM (HIUfw)

Yes they do. Often times badly.
Posted by: Jake Holenhead at July 21, 2019 09:30 AM (TDyHc)
________

After Hollywood had made it into a movie, P G Wodehouse wrote an introduction to his Damsel in Distress. Very funny, about the studio's turning it over to "the manglers", and what they did.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 09:37 AM (VaN/j)

85 Speaking of the interwebs, I perused that fat creature who wanted his SCOTUS waxed and whoo boy! what a freak show. None of it made any sense in the real world.

The book I am so looking forward to reading in the near future is "Nukes and Scimitars or How Muzzies Learned to Love the Bomb and Enter Paradise".

Oh, the horror.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 09:37 AM (Z+IKu)

86 "The Lanson Screen" by Leo Zagat.

Posted by: doomed at July 21, 2019 09:38 AM (tt1wG)

87 Napoleon has to have been highly charismatic. It wouldn't surprise me to see him portrayed as charming.

Sounds like my sister could use that not giving a fuck book. I might get it for her as a "joke" Christmas gift that is secretly for real.

Personally, my approach to bad situations is to look for the humor. There's this one recurring meeting at work that is very annoying for a variety of reasons, and I'm the one who represents my office there. I could spend a lot of time blowing my top, but instead, I focus on the entertainment value. A bunch of engineers arguing is usually pretty entertaining (despite what you might assume, quite a few of us do have a way with words, which really adds to it) anyway, but at this meeting, I also look for the humor in the frequent last-minute cancellations and poor technical pre-coordination (particularly inapt given the whole purpose of this meeting is technical coordination. They like to come in with a software solution to a hardware problem which they haven't cleared with software, which is in my office, and now I just raise an eyebrow very slowly and dryly recommend they clear that with the software control board, my tone of voice clearly implying they won't be succeeding).

Speaking of engineering and moon landing. Exploration Mission 1 is still on track for October 2020 launch.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at July 21, 2019 09:39 AM (rWZ8Y)

88 Hmm...catchfart gives me an idea...

Posted by: Little Lupe at July 21, 2019 09:39 AM (EgshT)

89 While I love small book stores, too many of them are run by hard left extremist freakies and its almost painful to go into some of them with the decor and people working there, the patchoulli stench, and the books they like to feature up front. My favorite ones are run by people who just love books and selling books, so they don't have an agenda beyond that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 09:40 AM (39g3+)

90 61 - Been listening to the rebroadcast since found it. It plays on my tablet while going to diffent browsers and web sites. Right now there is conversation of little nagging problems in equipment and how to get around them.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 09:40 AM (BbGew)

91 Napoleon 's only crime was losing

Posted by: vmom check out this KU deal at July 21, 2019 09:41 AM (dm05u)

92 The Hemingway clip is good. "As the Court has become more political in its decision-making, when it makes law rather than interprets the law as written, that creates a very political situation and it's not altogether surprising that the process itself becomes more political."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:42 AM (kQs4Y)

93 79
What's the name of the video? When I finish Gibbon I'm going back to a set of essays on early Islam that also challenges the conventional narrative.

The Sacred City was the documentary name on amazon.

Posted by: Dread0 at July 21, 2019 09:43 AM (Bptbo)

94 76 Currently reading "The Man From The Train", by Bill James (the baseball guy). About the man who is likely America's most prolific serial killer (100+ victims). He killed ~1898-1912, near train tracks, in areas with minimal / no police presence, entire families in one go, with arson, and other markers.

Great research, but could do without the meandering asides that have little to do with the crime series.
Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 09:34 AM (3JbJY)

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Also, recently finished "The Westies" by T.J. English, about the Irish mob in Hells Kitchen (New York), from 1960-1985ish. The key protagonists were Mickey Featherstone and James Coonan, the latter of whom was notably fond of dismembering his victims. If you are true crime aficionado, recommended.

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 09:43 AM (3JbJY)

95 I never saw anything like those pants in the wild, but I pretty much could have been the kid on the right. I had that face and that hair at about the time of that picture.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 09:43 AM (fuK7c)

96 The War College isn't really interested in teaching about war, is it?

Posted by: JAS at July 21, 2019 09:44 AM (I5SAg)

97 Napoleon created one of the world's first secret police systems, brutally repressed, arrested, or killed anyone who dared question him, tried to take over Europe, reversed most of the good things the French revolution started (such as ending slavery in France), ended freedom of the press in France, and attacked nation after nation for no other reason than "Vive La France."

Why people think he was a good guy baffles me completely.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 09:44 AM (39g3+)

98 54 I love many of Andrew Wyeth's paintings, but this is one of my favorites:

http://www.swoyersart.com/andrew_wyeth/dr_syn.htm

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 09:25 AM (kQs4Y)

****

Dr. Syn is not sporting the requisite Sunday Morning Book Thread pants . . .

Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at July 21, 2019 09:44 AM (NqQAS)

99 96 The War College isn't really interested in teaching about war, is it?
Posted by: JAS at July 21, 2019 09:44 AM (I5SAg)

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That shocking bit of self-defeating PC stuck out to me as well ...

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 09:45 AM (3JbJY)

100 For a Napoleonic era buff I have no admiration of him, as was said of Cromwell first, he was a great bad man.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 09:46 AM (BbGew)

101 Napoleon had committed no crime.

...
Executing royalty simply for losing a war was a precedent exactly no one wanted to set. So exile and a quiet death.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 09:26 AM (HIUfw)


It is interesting to speculate what might have happened if Napoleon had stopped in 1807 after defeating the Austrians, Prussians and Russians.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 21, 2019 09:46 AM (5Yee7)

102 82 My only disappointment is that I'd hoped for this approach to Jesus, but this God is Jewish bible only.

everyone knows you gotta leave an escape hatch for a sequel

Posted by: Anachronda at July 21, 2019 09:47 AM (cTF5L)

103 Bander, my sympathies . . .

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:47 AM (i6sQg)

104 Bander, my sympathies . . .


Well, some are born in good eras and some have the seventies thrust upon them.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 09:49 AM (fuK7c)

105 Cromwell gets a bad rap by being disliked by Royal historians. He was no worse than the kings who came before him and in a lot of ways, better. The Irish like to pick him as their particular Devil, but previous kings had been just as awful to them or more so.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 09:50 AM (39g3+)

106 While on vacation in Alaska (a great place btw) I finished two books, Claudius the God and Proust's Volume 1. Claudius got pretty vengeful once he found out what a lying whore Messalina had been behind his back, at one point thoroughly outdistancing in a contest with the most famed local prostitute in how many studs they could drain before claiming enough. So he had her iced along with others complicit in her schemes which included having her faves rewarded and punishing those she didn't like; kind of like an early non frigid version of Rodham. The ending was pretty funny regarding the satiric eulogies of Claudius. I assume that he was a good emperor particularly following the insanity of Caligula. The book dragged a bit, at least for me, in parts about the British campaign and Claudius's desire to make the Roman Empire a Republic again, but maybe that was because my book group read it immediately after I Claudius and maybe I was reaching saturation level, particularly in the fucking hot weather. Ironically near the end of Proust's Within a Budding Grove there was a reference to Messalina, oddly presented (or translated) imo, that I wouldn't have understood previously.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 09:51 AM (y7DUB)

107 Good morning all! My Sunday school class is studying the affair of David and Bathsheba. My husband asked what the point was. I said maybe to remind us that God knows and sees all. Other than that, I got nothing.

Posted by: jmel at July 21, 2019 09:51 AM (OeWgo)

108 I love the part where Abraham thinks that he is bargaining with God over Sodom. LOL. God didn't agree to anything he already knew wasn't going to happen.

Posted by: JAS at July 21, 2019 09:51 AM (I5SAg)

109 This week both my wife and I have been under the weather. The inevitable result is I've been reading a lot of Bill James. (Not the Man on the Train, true crime isn't my thing. My wife has it, though, and liked it.)

I've dropped Amazon, so our latest order was placed with Book Depository. For some reason, it got cancelled immediately, not clear why. Anyone have experience with them? Or, generally, what companies do Horde members recommend? (Or warn against.)

Mind you, the stuff I order isn't available on most sites - naval stuff, mostly. The core of our order was Norman Friedman's new one on Brit subs. (I even pulled out his earlier one on US subs, to have them side-by-side.)

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 09:51 AM (VaN/j)

110 And with that, gotta get going and clean up yesterday's mess. Lots of brass involved, which is a tale for a later thread.
Bye, Bookies!

Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:53 AM (i6sQg)

111 God punished David by killing the bastard son. David repented. No?

Posted by: JAS at July 21, 2019 09:53 AM (I5SAg)

112 I am currently reading John Buchan's Huntingtower which is a book I wouldn't have enjoyed earlier in my life.

Its about a very typical, very UK Scotsman who has sold his very successful business and decides to go on a walk. He gets tangled up in sinister-seeming dealings in a small Scottish town and is in over his head as a normal middle aged man.

The depictions of Scottish countryside are lush and the book is well written, but its about subject matter I would not have really cared for until I got to a certain age.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 09:54 AM (39g3+)

113 57 ... "You might be interested in the book "Seamanship in the Age of Sail"."

Hi Captain Obvious and Weasel, The Harland book is on my list to look for. It covers the time of most interest to me. I just can't quite spend the money for it but that could change with minimal weakening of will power.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 09:55 AM (bmdz3)

114 " Never force the back"?????? Where's the fun in that?

Posted by: David French at July 21, 2019 09:55 AM (FTPVM)

115 109 This week both my wife and I have been under the weather. The inevitable result is I've been reading a lot of Bill James. (Not the Man on the Train, true crime isn't my thing. My wife has it, though, and liked it.)

I've dropped Amazon, so our latest order was placed with Book Depository. For some reason, it got cancelled immediately, not clear why. Anyone have experience with them? Or, generally, what companies do Horde members recommend? (Or warn against.)

Mind you, the stuff I order isn't available on most sites - naval stuff, mostly. The core of our order was Norman Friedman's new one on Brit subs. (I even pulled out his earlier one on US subs, to have them side-by-side.)
Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 09:51 AM (VaN/j)

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Years ago, I used to subscribe to "Proceedings" of the United States Naval Institute. Not sure why I stopped, but recommended if you want to be informed about the latest developments in naval warfare.

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 09:56 AM (3JbJY)

116 As far as I know I've not had any unauthorized copies of any of my books sell, mostly because few people know they exist and I sell so few to begin with.

But there are instantly used copies of my books that show up as soon as I post them on Amazon, which is baffling. I suspect that there's some kind of scam going on somewhere.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 09:57 AM (39g3+)

117 Morning bookists. Chugging along in my writing (grandfather, WWs, combat engineer). because i have developed an unending ability to self-distract and chase anything down a rabbit hole, i wrote two short essays about specific events, and sent them off to family, as teasers. got a collective yawn, but at least I was entertained. because research is NEVER over, i got yet another book on the SS, 'Men of Steel,' by Brit general Reynolds. i wish i'd gotten it 2 years ago, its very detailed. and yes he mentions my gpa. am discovering one of gpa's subordinates who wrote a book... exaggerates EVERYTHING. which sucks, cause i have to CHECK EVERYTHING. If he says something happened on the 23rd 20 miles away, i regularly find it happened 5 miles away on the 25th. etc. Otherwise, chugging slowly along at my 1-2 pages a day pace. its fun as hell, but hard work. enjoy all!

PS. God Bless the astronauts and Lunar-nauts. i was 13, watched it all live.

Posted by: goatexchange at July 21, 2019 09:57 AM (iBmJc)

118 Cromwell gets a bad rap by being disliked by Royal historians. He was no worse than the kings who came before him and in a lot of ways, better. The Irish like to pick him as their particular Devil, but previous kings had been just as awful to them or more so.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 09:50 AM (39g3+)


Yeah I don't get that either. It's not like the Jesuits weren't perpetually plotting against the crown like a bunch of seditious cocksuckers. I'd have fucked those dickweeds up a lot worse. Still disinterring Cromwell's rotting carcass and hanging it in chains is a good how to guide in dealing with McCain when Civil War 2 goes hot.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 09:58 AM (y7DUB)

119 "... the future of free speech and free thought is not with e-books, the internet, and the world wide web, but with independent bookstores and private libraries."

Which is exactly why I have a library of about 4000 volumes that I can physically touch.
...
Posted by: Marica at July 21, 2019 09:29 AM (SDvjO)


I agree completely. Before I became concerned about the Leftists' attempt to kill the American Experiment, I concentrated on military history for my own interests. Now I'm buying more general American history and other older books (pre-1980). I'm at 5000 in my personal library and have been buying as many older books as I can afford. Now I'm buying for the preservation of these old books.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 21, 2019 09:59 AM (5Yee7)

120 Learning "How to Open a New Book" was a thrilling rite of passage in the second or third grade when we got our first actual textbooks.

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I remember that as well.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 10:00 AM (+y/Ru)

121 If only Agatha Christie had looked like the girl on the Redbook cover. . . .

I just reread Stephen King's The Dead Zone from 1979. It is still a top-notch story. But as his political stance changed from R to D when he got to college in 1965 or so, mine has shifted 180 degrees from what it was in 1980 when I read the book. Greg Stillson, the villain, is a scumbag, no question about that, and King is careful to show what a thug he is -- he kicks a dog to death in his first scene in the book, has his minions violently threaten his political opponents, etc. Granted.

But some of the planks of his platform -- tougher sentences for drug pushers, cutting welfare payments to obvious druggies, cutting taxes, getting some of the delinquents to work on public works projects -- don't sound too bad to me now. To be fair, King has Johnny Smith, the protagonist, be uneasy about Stillson's associates, former bikers who carry sawed-off pool cues in their pockets, and other things about the man that have nothing to do with his platform. But now I find myself saying, "Y'know, Stillson's platform isn't too bad!"

Didn't ruin the book. But it just shows to go you that you can't come back to a favorite book in quite the same space you were in when you first read it.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 21, 2019 10:00 AM (4c+5M)

122 It is interesting to speculate what might have
happened if Napoleon had stopped in 1807 after defeating the Austrians,
Prussians and Russians.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 21, 2019 09:46 AM (5Yee7)

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He couldn't stop. He was at war with everyone around him. Those he defeated were openly gathering strength for the next round. The Austrians were implacable.

He could have had peace if he'd stopped imposing punishing terms. A Napoloeonic France with slightly favorable 1792 borders was possible. One that annexed the Netherlands, Switzerland, established the Rhine as tributary and had the Emperor's brother on the Spanish throne and northern Italy as a protectorate was never going to work.

Don't forget his excellent Egyptian adventure, either. His ambition knew no bounds.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:00 AM (HIUfw)

123 Regarding libraries, my wife and I have noted an upsurge of small bookstores of a certain Type during our travels in the US. They are usually run by by women or guys with small ponytails. The literature is either mysandric or uninteresting to me, and I certainly wouldn't want them "protecting" my choice of books.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at July 21, 2019 10:01 AM (gSgAd)

124 He couldn't stop.

Nappy liked being a general a lot more than he liked being an administrator.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 10:02 AM (I2/tG)

125 Cromwell gets a bad rap by being disliked by Royal historians. He was no worse than the kings who came before him and in a lot of ways, better. The Irish like to pick him as their particular Devil, but previous kings had been just as awful to them or more so.

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And yet the Brits honored him during WWII by naming a tank after him.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 10:03 AM (+y/Ru)

126 Will Cuppy, a humorist of the Forties, mentions in one piece a current bestseller of his time called How to Read a Book. He says, "It came too late for me. I'd already read one."

Currently I'm dipping into the ghost stories of M.R. James, whose "Casting the Runes," for example, became the classic creep movie Curse of the Demon. His " 'Oh, Whistle, and I'll Come to You, My Lad' " is very readable still, and very disturbing.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 21, 2019 10:03 AM (4c+5M)

127 Austin has a "Bookpeople" book store. It's pretty leftist. Downtown near Whole Foods and REI.

Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 10:03 AM (UUBmN)

128 89: Nothing worse than going into a bookstore and finding leftist philosophy, LGBLT kiddie books and the schedule for feminist speakers. Oddly, around here, the best choices are BN (you might have to look but you can find what you want) or used book sellers.

This week I bought Vassily Grossman's "Everything Flows", and will get started this evening. I know it will be depressing, but I think the savagery of communism needs to be read about, talked about and out in the open.

Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 10:03 AM (U7k5w)

129 "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.

Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.

- Groucho Marx, my kind of Marxist

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at July 21, 2019 10:04 AM (HaL55)

130 Always Love the book thread.

Both Islam books into the cart/watch list.
At least one of them should make it's way into my library in the next year.

Skip; Thanks for the link to rebroadcast of the Apollo 11 mission. If I'd known about it I wouldn't have done much reading in the last week. (Looks easy to re-watch & jump around, 11,000 hrs of audio! if you really want to dig into the department audio channels ).

Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at July 21, 2019 10:04 AM (x8Q/V)

131 123: Well said and so true. Hopefully they pay their people at least 15/hr and fail miserably.

Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 10:05 AM (U7k5w)

132 127 Austin has a "Bookpeople" book store. It's pretty leftist. Downtown near Whole Foods and REI.
Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 10:03 AM (UUBmN)

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Stopped shopping at REI a couple of years ago. Entirely because they never had what I wanted ...

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 10:05 AM (3JbJY)

133 David was an adulterer who was willing to have his affair partner's husband murdered.

He was also one of God's greatest effectors.

Any of us can do God's work, no matter what we have in our past. We must repent sincerely, as David did (Psalm 51), and yield ourselves to the Lord.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at July 21, 2019 10:07 AM (rWZ8Y)

134 There is a local independent bookstore downtown called Book Marx. It has a picture of Karl Marx on the front window. At first I thought, hey, a new bookstore! Then I saw the name. Smh.

Posted by: DIY Daddio at July 21, 2019 10:07 AM (RJscS)

135 It is interesting to speculate what might have happened if Napoleon had stopped in 1807 after defeating the Austrians, Prussians and Russians.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop
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My favorite alternate-history speculation is about what would have happened had the French kicked the Germans out of the Rhineland in 1936.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 21, 2019 10:07 AM (ta49A)

136
Yeah I don't get that either. It's not like the
Jesuits weren't perpetually plotting against the crown like a bunch of
seditious cocksuckers. I'd have fucked those dickweeds up a lot worse.
Still disinterring Cromwell's rotting carcass and hanging it in chains
is a good how to guide in dealing with McCain when Civil War 2 goes hot.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 09:58 AM (y7DUB)

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Please. I have no love for the Jesuits, but can we tone down the Tudor propaganda just a bit?

Can we all admit that the "English Reformation" was just a power grab by Henry and his successors? It utterly destroyed the separation between church and state, leaving the monarch in absolute power over both - something even the "absolute" monarchs on the Continent didn't achieve.

It wasn't just Jesuits, either. Anyone who didn't bow to the newly-crowed Pope-King got killed.

Cromwell was even more a of power-mad lunatic, toppling the monarchy and then burning Ireland to the ground.

As Churchill noted, he killed huge numbers of people, which made him a Great Man.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:07 AM (HIUfw)

137 I did not know there was such a thing as a famous bookbinder.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - #Progressivism=Socialism at July 21, 2019 10:08 AM (HaL55)

138 81 Weasel! Kindred spirits with Chapman's!
Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:35 AM (i6sQg)
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Yeah, Bro! I grew up sailing on the Chesapeake and my dad made me read it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 10:08 AM (MVjcR)

139 The depictions of Scottish countryside are lush and the book is well written, but its about subject matter I would not have really cared for until I got to a certain age.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 09:54 AM (39g3+)


Speaking only for myself, I found the English fixation on their dinky island being as big as a continent delusionally offputting, at least in my slightly more callow youth. Now I just roll my eyes and enjoy it if it's well written.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 10:08 AM (y7DUB)

140 And yet the Brits honored him during WWII by naming a tank after him.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 10:03 AM (+y/Ru)

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They were running out of words starting with "C".

Also, it probably pissed of the Irish Republic, which was a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:09 AM (HIUfw)

141 115
Years ago, I used to subscribe to "Proceedings" of the United States Naval Institute. Not sure why I stopped, but recommended if you want to be informed about the latest developments in naval warfare.
Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 09:56 AM (3JbJY)
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Yes, I used to subscribe, too. Stopped when $ became a big issue, about 15 years ago. (Bush/Obama years were a disaster for us.)

They had excellent service. I once called in an order, and happened to mention another book I'd have liked to have ordered, but which was no longer listed. The girl said "I think I've see a copy or two left. Would you like to hold?" And I got it.

But I'm not so interested in up-to-date stuff as in history. I don't entirely ignore it, but it's just not the same after Leyte.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:09 AM (VaN/j)

142 “"He had also learned that there is no use murdering people; there are always so many left, and if you tried to murder them all you would never get anything else done.”

Will Cuppy, "The Decline and Fall of Practically Everybody"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 10:10 AM (kQs4Y)

143 They were running out of words starting with "C".

Also, it probably pissed of the Irish Republic, which was a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:09 AM (HIUfw)

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There was a popular British word beginning with "C" which they failed to use ...

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 10:10 AM (3JbJY)

144 It is interesting to speculate what might have happened if Napoleon had stopped in 1807 after defeating the Austrians, Prussians and Russians.

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Alexander the Great wept that there were no more worlds to conquer. That makes him an asshole. I see Napoleon as similar although Napoleon at least also did actually improve the administration of government.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 10:11 AM (+y/Ru)

145 This week I bought Vassily Grossman's "Everything Flows", and will get started this evening. I know it will be depressing, but I think the savagery of communism needs to be read about, talked about and out in the open.

I just finished Grossman's "Stalingrad" ("For A Just Cause"), and am watching the Russian TV mini-series of "Life and Fate" (Grossman's great novel on the Battle of Stalingrad and much else), which is quite good. It's on Amazon Prime Video with English subtitles.

Russian TV does TV mini-series very well, particularly on historical topics. You aren't constrained in having to figure out how to stretch out a TV show for multiple seasons - you address a topic, do a number of episodes covering the topic, and then stop.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 10:11 AM (I2/tG)

146 Learning "How to Open a New Book" was a thrilling rite of passage in the second or third grade when we got our first actual textbooks.

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I remember that as well.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 10:00 AM (+y/Ru)

And making our own book covers at home on the kitchen table with grocery store paper bags.

Posted by: weirdflunky at July 21, 2019 10:11 AM (cknjq)

147
I just reread Stephen King's The Dead Zone from 1979. . . . Greg Stillson, the villain, is a scumbag, no question about that . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 21, 2019 10:00 AM (4c+5M)

***

I recently rewatched the movie version, and it was a hoot watching Martin Sheen play the Stillson character. I couldn't get The West Wing out of my mind.

Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at July 21, 2019 10:12 AM (NqQAS)

148 There was a popular British word beginning with "C" which they failed to use ...

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 10:10 AM (3JbJY)

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It amply applied to the Covenanter. Piece of junk.

Also, Eamon de Valera. Gotta love a guy who sent Nazi Germany condolences on Hitler's death.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:13 AM (HIUfw)

149 And yet the Brits honored him during WWII by naming a tank after him.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 10:03 AM (+y/Ru)

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They were running out of words starting with "C".

Also, it probably pissed of the Irish Republic, which was a feature, not a bug.
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Well, he was one of their most successful military commanders. Never lost a battle AFAIK, and, as a subordinate, was notable for salvaging battles his superiors ha screwed up.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at July 21, 2019 10:13 AM (iB1oa)

150 105 Cromwell gets a bad rap by being disliked by Royal historians. He was no worse than the kings who came before him and in a lot of ways, better. The Irish like to pick him as their particular Devil, but previous kings had been just as awful to them or more so.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 09:50 AM (39g3+)
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To say "previous kings had been just as awful to them or more so" is an odd claim. Previous kings had worked with one faction or other (as they did in Scotland). Cromwell was the first to go all out.

It's also an odd defense to say royalist historians (not "royal", royalist) attacked him. Of course they did. And the roundhead historians pumped him up. I don't see the significance of that. The Whig historians were dominant in the 19th C. When I went to college in 1971, it was still a bit revisionist to say Cromwell wasn't all that.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:13 AM (VaN/j)

151 Russian TV does TV mini-series very well,
particularly on historical topics. You aren't constrained in having to
figure out how to stretch out a TV show for multiple seasons - you
address a topic, do a number of episodes covering the topic, and then
stop.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 10:11 AM (I2/tG)

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Yes they do! I watched "Sophia" a few weeks back it was amazing. Lavish sets, great acting, lots of info about a period in Russian history of which I knew next to nothing.

Plus, Russian chicks are hawt.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:14 AM (HIUfw)

152 Please. I have no love for the Jesuits, but can we tone down the Tudor propaganda just a bit?

The Jesuits were actively plotting on killing Elizabeth despite her not being as rabidly against them as daddy dearest (Mary's execution was done by her sneaky advisers afraid she'd gone wobbly and worked around her). If that's propaganda there's a wide swath of history that has to be reclassified.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 10:14 AM (y7DUB)

153 On the tank, Churchill was a big Cromwell fan, ultimately. (He does hit him for brutality, though.) Pre-WWI, he tried to get a battleship named for Oliver.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:15 AM (VaN/j)

154 There is a local independent bookstore downtown called Book Marx.

Years ago, there was a bookstore in Berkeley called "Yenan Books". I went in, and they had a set of the "Complete Works of Enver Hoxha" (the former Communist dictator of Albania), which went on for many, many volumes.

I always wondered how many they sold.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 10:16 AM (I2/tG)

155 138 81 Weasel! Kindred spirits with Chapman's!
Posted by: RI Red at July 21, 2019 09:35 AM (i6sQg)
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Yeah, Bro! I grew up sailing on the Chesapeake and my dad made me read it.
Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 10:08 AM (MVjcR)
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Thinking about this some more, I wasn't so much required to "read" Chapman's as I was to study it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 10:17 AM (MVjcR)

156 Morning Horde,

Instapundit has a link to an article about Gramscian Damage, arguing that most/all lf the core tenets of leftism are self-perpetuating memes created by the Soviets as part of a thought-war against America.

Anyone have any sources for more information on this?

Posted by: .87c at July 21, 2019 10:18 AM (DmDmL)

157 On the tank, Churchill was a big Cromwell fan, ultimately. (He does hit him for brutality, though.) Pre-WWI, he tried to get a battleship named for Oliver.
Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:15 AM (VaN/j)
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Hmmm...would the crew on such a ship call themselves "Nollies"?

Posted by: Captain Obvious at July 21, 2019 10:18 AM (iB1oa)

158 154 There is a local independent bookstore downtown called Book Marx.

Years ago, there was a bookstore in Berkeley called "Yenan Books". I went in, and they had a set of the "Complete Works of Enver Hoxha" (the former Communist dictator of Albania), which went on for many, many volumes.

I always wondered how many they sold.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 10:16 AM (I2/tG)

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One of my favorite books as a teen / young adult were the "Death Merchant" series. The first one I read was #5, where he went into Commie-era Albania to take out some Nazis developing nukes in a mountain cave. Gratuitous bloodshed ensued ...

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 10:18 AM (3JbJY)

159 Lavish sets, great acting, lots of info about a period in Russian history of which I knew next to nothing.

The Russian government pours a lot of money into Russian historical TV mini-series. They obviously spent a lot of money on "Life and Fate".

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 10:19 AM (I2/tG)

160 Gratuitous bloodshed ensued . . .

Posted by: Kingsnake
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That's the best kind.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 21, 2019 10:19 AM (ta49A)

161 The Jesuits were actively plotting on killing
Elizabeth despite her not being as rabidly against them as daddy dearest
(Mary's execution was done by her sneaky advisers afraid she'd gone
wobbly and worked around her). If that's propaganda there's a wide
swath of history that has to be reclassified.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 10:14 AM (y7DUB)

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Sure they were. She also killed priests trying to provide sacraments for observant Catholics. In fact, she killed any priest she could find.

So it wasn't just Jesuits. She was actively trying to stamp out any religious dissent from her father's claim to be King-Pope.

And opposing that probably does count as "plotting against her," because when a crowned head makes themselves God's representative on earth, we're all supposed to agree, right?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:19 AM (HIUfw)

162 > My problem with Thor and Correia is they decided to go never Trump and we're vocal about it.

I don't know about Thor (don't much care for his writing, so don't follow him) but I wouldn't characterize Correia as "never Trump". Like many (including me) he was a Trump skeptic. To me, "never Trump" is someone who voted for Hillary rather than Trump, and Correia definitely did not do that.
I feel confident that he will be voting for Trump in 2020.





Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 10:20 AM (GDooN)

163 152 Please. I have no love for the Jesuits, but can we tone down the Tudor propaganda just a bit?

The Jesuits were actively plotting on killing Elizabeth despite her not being as rabidly against them as daddy dearest (Mary's execution was done by her sneaky advisers afraid she'd gone wobbly and worked around her). If that's propaganda there's a wide swath of history that has to be reclassified.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 10:14 AM (y7DUB)
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No, not "THE Jesuits". Some did. But then, it was already treason to be a Catholic.

The propaganda lies in the presentation of only that side of the story which suits one's views. By modern standards, there are no good guys in the Tudor era, period. The whole kingdom was Pottsylvania.

And of course, that means avowed modern standards. It's not clear how many Walsingham wannabes are in the government today.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:20 AM (VaN/j)

164 160 Gratuitous bloodshed ensued . . .

Posted by: Kingsnake
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That's the best kind.
Posted by: FireHorse at July 21, 2019 10:19 AM (ta49A)

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Indeed.

A few years ago I saw a complete set of the "Death Merchant" series in my local used bookstore. It was quite surprising. Not sure I didn't buy it ...

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 10:21 AM (3JbJY)

165 I'm elated to discover there's a thing called "the backwards law" and that it's all about the field where I grow mine fux.



Behold! *spread arms wide* It lies barren and fallow...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy - Living the Backwards Law at July 21, 2019 10:22 AM (HaL55)

166 I bought The Master and Margarita at Lighthouse Books in San Franshitsco. I showed great restraint by not telling the commie fucks that Bulgakov was mocking the workers paradise under Stalin's nose.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 10:22 AM (y7DUB)

167 151
Plus, Russian chicks are hawt.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:14 AM (HIUfw)
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A friend went to the USSR in the 70s, and said he didn't see a single good looking girl. Even assuming exaggeration, something has obviously changed. Does Communism, along with its other crimes, destroy women's beauty, too?

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:23 AM (VaN/j)

168 >>Thinking about this some more, I wasn't so much required to "read" Chapman's as I was to study it.

It's really more of a textbook but a damned handy one.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2019 10:24 AM (K/2j/)

169 Does Communism, along with its other crimes, destroy women's beauty, too?

Not possible! And women had better sex under socialism!

Posted by: The New York Times! at July 21, 2019 10:25 AM (I2/tG)

170 168 >>Thinking about this some more, I wasn't so much required to "read" Chapman's as I was to study it.

It's really more of a textbook but a damned handy one.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2019 10:24 AM (K/2
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Yep. Pretty sure I still have my copy in the Weasel Library.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 10:25 AM (MVjcR)

171 Admittedly I had to read that book quote a couple of times before it fully registered. The first half was fine but kind of lost me the second half. That's not my kind of prose.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:25 AM (2DOZq)

172 A friend went to the USSR in the 70s, and said he
didn't see a single good looking girl. Even assuming exaggeration,
something has obviously changed. Does Communism, along with its other
crimes, destroy women's beauty, too?

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:23 AM (VaN/j)

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Malnutrition and constant fear probably isn't conducive to a bright smile.

Maybe the cute ones were claimed by the Nomenklatura and kept out of general circulation.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:25 AM (HIUfw)

173 A friend went to the USSR in the 70s, and said he didn't see a single good looking girl. Even assuming exaggeration, something has obviously changed. Does Communism, along with its other crimes, destroy women's beauty, too?


I spend a lot of time there in the immediate post-commie era ('91-93) and there were genuine hotties. That's too short a period to incubate new hotties, they must have been pre-existing.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 10:27 AM (fuK7c)

174 Years ago, there was a bookstore in Berkeley called
"Yenan Books". I went in, and they had a set of the "Complete Works of
Enver Hoxha" (the former Communist dictator of Albania), which went on
for many, many volumes.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2019 10:16 AM (I2/tG)

Was that in a weird little alley off of Telegraph? I think I remember it, but I don't remember the name....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2019 10:27 AM (wYseH)

175 A friend went to the USSR in the 70s, and said he didn't see a single good looking girl. Even assuming exaggeration, something has obviously changed. Does Communism, along with its other crimes, destroy women's beauty, too?
Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:23 AM (VaN/j)


Maybe. The most earthily appealing woman I've ever met was a rooski exile. It moved just thinking about her.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 10:28 AM (y7DUB)

176 They had to have hit commie women. Where else would they get their Honey Pots?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:29 AM (2DOZq)

177 175 A friend went to the USSR in the 70s, and said he didn't see a single good looking girl. Even assuming exaggeration, something has obviously changed. Does Communism, along with its other crimes, destroy women's beauty, too?
Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:23 AM (VaN/j)

Maybe. The most earthily appealing woman I've ever met was a rooski exile. It moved just thinking about her.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 10:28 AM (y7DUB)

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Experiencing a little "glasnost", tovarich?

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 10:29 AM (3JbJY)

178 Was that in a weird little alley off of Telegraph? I think I remember it, but I don't remember the name....

You're probably thinking of Revolution Books, run by the Revolutionary Communist Party. Always a good place to go if you wanted a Stalin poster.

Posted by: The New York Times! at July 21, 2019 10:30 AM (I2/tG)

179 A friend went to the USSR in the 70s, and said he
didn't see a single good looking girl. Even assuming exaggeration,
something has obviously changed. Does Communism, along with its other
crimes, destroy women's beauty, too?



Waitlist for woman is 5 years, Comrade.

Waitlist for good-looking woman, 2 years. And must be Inner Party member.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 21, 2019 10:30 AM (oVJmc)

180 I followed the Amazon link to Sword and Scimitar and saw the following in the "Sponsored products related to this item" section at the bottom of the page:

President Trump and the New World Order: The Ramtha Trump Prophecy.

The accompanying blurb reads:

"It's time to know what Trump knows. Benevolent aliens exist. He has met them. They are on his side as he drains the swamp. MAGA."

Okay . . . (feverishly readies tin-foil hat)

Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at July 21, 2019 10:30 AM (NqQAS)

181 Maybe the cute ones were claimed by the Nomenklatura and kept out of general circulation.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:25 AM (HIUfw)

Yup.....the Red Army, KGB and Party Bosses had whores a plenty. They would even helicopter them to their private dachas for booze fueled hunting trips and orgies.

Woodstock had nothing on the Soviet Big Brass.

Just like the democrats today.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 21, 2019 10:31 AM (Z+IKu)

182 Great research, but could do without the meandering asides that have little to do with the crime series.

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I have begun to read Furious Hours by Casey Cep about a black preacher who apparently murdered six family members over the years for the insurance money but always escaped acquittal (but was eventually shot and killed by another relative in the courthouse immediately following his last acquittal). It happened in Alabama beginning in the 1970s but we are treated to a retelling of the Scottsboro boys from 40 years earlier and everything else for the purpose of showing the racism of the Alabamans. Why? This is about black-on-black crime that white law enforcement tried to solve but that white juries continued to acquit the killer. (The guy who shot the good reverend was also acquitted despite 300 eyewitnesses.)

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 10:31 AM (+y/Ru)

183 161
So it wasn't just Jesuits. She was actively trying to stamp out any religious dissent from her father's claim to be King-Pope.

And opposing that probably does count as "plotting against her," because when a crowned head makes themselves God's representative on earth, we're all supposed to agree, right?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:19 AM (HIUfw)
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No, Elizabeth never made the claims Henry did. He was, granted, about the one case of actual Caesaro-papism in the West. But Elizabeth never shot for that level.

She did, however, insist on uniformity, and that meant no Catholics (or Anabaptists, for that matter.) Of course, it was the 16th C, and everyone thought a realm should have only one religion.

There's an important distinction to be made, though. For ages people had believed that kings were "God's representatives", but that did NOT entail Absolutism, which was a new idea. As late as Mallory, you can see that a king was not above the law, but in the 16th C the notion that the law comes from the king arises. And of course, it's still with us, if you just substitute "government" for "king".

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:31 AM (VaN/j)

184 I wouldn't trust a Russian Bride as far as I could throw her boyfriend who will end up killing you.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:32 AM (2DOZq)

185 President Trump and the New World Order: The Ramtha Trump Prophecy.

The accompanying blurb reads:

"It's time to know what Trump knows. Benevolent aliens exist. He has met them. They are on his side as he drains the swamp. MAGA."
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Oh, fer cryin' out loud...when am I gonna get my teleporters and death rays, then?

Posted by: Captain Obvious at July 21, 2019 10:33 AM (iB1oa)

186 The left has managed to deplatform certain ideas by pressuring Amazon to remove books, but are libraries next? One way is that books can be stolen and not replaced by the library, or the left can pressure the library to remove a book from the shelves altogether or have it moved to a special collection so that a patron can't find it easily. Library ebook availability can be manipulated just as easily as Amazon.
Suddenly the idea of banning books that the left has viewed as anathema to freedom is now a tool for their own use.

Posted by: next in line at July 21, 2019 10:34 AM (XGBQ3)

187 I am currently reading Mark Twain's The Innocents Abroad. He has a lot of very complimentary things to say about Napoleon III.
He has a lot of very uncomplimentary things to say about the Muzzies. Some things never change.

Posted by: cool breeze at July 21, 2019 10:35 AM (UGKMd)

188 Oh, fer cryin' out loud...when am I gonna get my teleporters and death rays, then?
Posted by: Captain Obvious at July 21, 2019 10:33 AM (iB1oa)
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The really unfair thing is that you have to teleport to the future to get your teleporter that you have to use to get the death ray.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 10:35 AM (kQs4Y)

189 BTW, my wife is often mistaken for Slavic, but is actually Welsh descent. And hawt.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:35 AM (VaN/j)

190 182 Great research, but could do without the meandering asides that have little to do with the crime series.

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I have begun to read Furious Hours by Casey Cep about a black preacher who apparently murdered six family members over the years for the insurance money but always escaped acquittal (but was eventually shot and killed by another relative in the courthouse immediately following his last acquittal). It happened in Alabama beginning in the 1970s but we are treated to a retelling of the Scottsboro boys from 40 years earlier and everything else for the purpose of showing the racism of the Alabamans. Why? This is about black-on-black crime that white law enforcement tried to solve but that white juries continued to acquit the killer. (The guy who shot the good reverend was also acquitted despite 300 eyewitnesses.)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 10:31 AM (+y/Ru)

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You can't win for losing.

Along similar lines, "In Broad Daylight" by Harry N. MacLean is about a killing in front of dozen of witnesses -- not one of whom spoke to police -- in small town Missouri. The "victim" desperately needed to be dealt with, for decades, but the legal system wouldn't protect the town from the "victim", so they protected themselves.

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 10:36 AM (3JbJY)

191 The really unfair thing is that you have to teleport to the future to get your teleporter that you have to use to get the death ray.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 10:35 AM (kQs4Y)

Wasn't that the script from the first Star Trek movie with Chris Pine?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:36 AM (2DOZq)

192 I originally joined the naval institute primarily for the book discounts. Dropped it after I realized I'd always be able to find books much cheaper elsewhere & if I could wait.
I will probably rejoin at some point, I kept it up many years just for Proceedings.

Internet has killed most subscriptions for me.
At one point I think I had a dozen active: history, aviation, archaeology, science, modeling.
I've been down to 2 for last decade: The Hook (Naval Aviation) & Fine Scale Modeling.
Also local newspapers so blatantly one sided. If they were fair & balanced I'd have never left.

Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at July 21, 2019 10:37 AM (x8Q/V)

193 Good morning.

If there are any 'Ron's near Madison, Georgia, I'm at the truck stop on I-20 in case anyone wants to bring me a nice grilled steak or a lasagna or something. *Wink*

I know jack shit about Napoleon. Except for trying to conquer Europe what made him a bad dude exactly?

And why wasn't he executed?

Posted by: Robert, delightful scamp at July 21, 2019 10:37 AM (AvqJ/)

194 The propaganda lies in the presentation of only that
side of the story which suits one's views. By modern standards, there
are no good guys in the Tudor era, period. The whole kingdom was
Pottsylvania.



And of course, that means avowed modern standards. It's not clear how many Walsingham wannabes are in the government today.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:20 AM (VaN/j)

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I think if you look objectively at Henry VIII - that is, set aside the period feel, the larger than life character, etc. - he's pretty much a grotesque monster.

He broke with Rome for political reasons and then used that to claim some sort of theological justification. His daughter went further and even hagiography admits she killed people and played dirty tricks.

The scene in one of the movies with Kate Blanchette where she locks out the pro-Catholic churchmen to get her bill through. Ha ha ha! Funny little trick.

The part they leave out is any clergy that refuse to acknowledge her as the supreme religious authority in England got a painful and prolonged death.

And many of them did so.

Not a beheading, either. Drawing and quartering, disembowling - basically the worst way they could think of to kill someone.

All in the name of asserting her claim to supreme religious authority.

Again, without Shakespeare and sonnets, funky bodices and such, it would be generally acknowledged as a time of bloody tyranny.

Was the throne threatened? Sure. How could she have secured it? By going back to the centuries-old relationship with Rome. Ah, but that would cost money and power, so no sale.

But Protestants wrote most of the history, so we must blame those dastardly Papists, who got what they deserved!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:38 AM (HIUfw)

195 On pirated books:
Your books will be pirated as long as they are perceived as marketable. Cheer up, that's a good sign!
And what are you going to do? There are third-party companies who will gladly take your money and send "cease and desist" letters, which do no good at all. Someone, somewhere is supplementing their meager income by copying your book into a pdf. Embrace it!

Posted by: artemis at July 21, 2019 10:38 AM (AwPyG)

196 Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:31 AM (VaN/j)

Thank you. Other than being a spiteful bitch to the wives of her bang toys Liz seemed like a benevolent monarch, particularly for the times. That doesn't mean she wasn't pig headedly ignorant about some things but she had a layer of advisers pursuing their own agendas.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 10:41 AM (y7DUB)

197 It strikes me that someone who is downloading books from a dodgy Belarussian site is someone who is extremely unlikely to be buying your book anyway.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 10:41 AM (GDooN)

198 She did, however, insist on uniformity, and that
meant no Catholics (or Anabaptists, for that matter.) Of course, it was
the 16th C, and everyone thought a realm should have only one religion.




Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:31 AM (VaN/j)

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How many people have been killed for the sake of making things "uniform?"

Not just Elizabeth, but everywhere. To quote Caligula: "Aren't people awful?"

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:42 AM (HIUfw)

199 Wasn't that the script from the first Star Trek movie with Chris Pine?

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:36 AM (2DOZq)

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It had a script? News to me.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:43 AM (HIUfw)

200 @197
Exactly.
Anyone's who's willing to rip you off will happily do so.

Posted by: artemis at July 21, 2019 10:43 AM (AwPyG)

201 Henry VIII capitalized on grassroots anti-Papal feeling that had been building in England for a long time. Even in the mid-fifteenth century, people were prone to saying things like, "The Pope's curse would not kill a fly", and were resentful of the expansion of the rich and powerful monastic establishments.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at July 21, 2019 10:44 AM (iB1oa)

202 It didn't help that they were trying to kill Elizabeth.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:44 AM (2DOZq)

203 Not a beheading, either. Drawing and quartering, disembowling - basically the worst way they could think of to kill someone.

This is how you make Antifa go away.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 10:44 AM (y7DUB)

204 Posted by: Robert, delightful scamp at July 21, 2019 10:37 AM (AvqJ/)

Wow. The town I grew up in. The historic home district is something everyone should visit at least once. The only town Sherman refused to burn.

Posted by: weirdflunky at July 21, 2019 10:45 AM (cknjq)

205 Qd5+

Posted by: jsg at July 21, 2019 10:46 AM (/PoaU)

206 Henry VIII capitalized on grassroots anti-Papal
feeling that had been building in England for a long time. Even in the
mid-fifteenth century, people were prone to saying things like, "The
Pope's curse would not kill a fly", and were resentful of the expansion
of the rich and powerful monastic establishments.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at July 21, 2019 10:44 AM (iB1oa)

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The people resentful were the rich landowners, who eventually got them.

It was a disaster for poor people, who depended on that generosity. Even Churchill noted this.

Basically Henry looked at the social safety net the Church provided, took it and sold it to the highest bidders.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:46 AM (HIUfw)

207 The only town Sherman refused to burn.
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Did the mayor give Sherman the secret Masonic handshake?

Posted by: Captain Obvious at July 21, 2019 10:47 AM (iB1oa)

208 > Not a beheading, either. Drawing and quartering, disembowling - basically the worst way they could think of to kill someone.

> All in the name of asserting her claim to supreme religious authority.

Of course, the Catholics never did anything like that, at all.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 10:47 AM (GDooN)

209 Again, without Shakespeare and sonnets, funky bodices and such, it would be generally acknowledged as a time of bloody tyranny.

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Wild Bill Shakespeare documented a lot of Brit bloody tyranny.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 21, 2019 10:47 AM (+y/Ru)

210 The historic home district is something everyone should visit at least once.
Posted by: weirdflunky at July 21, 2019 10:45 AM (

Think an 18-wheeler can squeeze through?

Posted by: Robert, delightful scamp at July 21, 2019 10:48 AM (AvqJ/)

211 A friend went to the USSR in the 70s, and said he didn't see a single good looking girl

I think the girls kept their heads down and tried not to be noticed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 21, 2019 10:48 AM (39g3+)

212 It didn't help that they were trying to kill Elizabeth.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 10:44 AM (2DOZq)

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How did her family get the throne again?

IIRC, the Tudors whacked a lot of potential claimants themselves.

But when the crown does it, it's "execution," not killing.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:48 AM (HIUfw)

213 Yadda, yadda, yadda ...

About the subject of this thread: Books?

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 10:48 AM (3JbJY)

214 Congrats to 'ette Celia Hayes for scoring a mention complete with book cover! Yay to all the moron authors and happy Sunday

Posted by: zeera Gimme some 12 bar blues with a B3 please at July 21, 2019 10:48 AM (CAJL/)

215 Did the mayor give Sherman the secret Masonic handshake?
Posted by: Captain Obvious at July 21, 2019 10:47 AM (iB1oa)

Better.

Home cooked food. If I remember the story correctly. 29 years ago and all.

Posted by: weirdflunky at July 21, 2019 10:49 AM (cknjq)

216 About Napoleon, I'm not at all well read on his life but will only state that he filled the vacuum when a world power went completely feral.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 10:49 AM (y7DUB)

217 And making our own book covers at home on the kitchen table with grocery store paper bags.

Posted by: weirdflunky at July 21, 2019 10:11 AM (cknjq)


Oh yes! We did that, too, with out school textbooks.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at July 21, 2019 10:50 AM (smcnr)

218 But when the crown does it, it's "execution," not killing.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:48 AM (HIUfw)
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I prefer "judicial murder" myself, but that's just me.

Posted by: Hank Tudor at July 21, 2019 10:50 AM (iB1oa)

219 About the subject of this thread: Books?

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 10:48 AM (3JbJY)


Technically, yes, but...

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at July 21, 2019 10:50 AM (smcnr)

220 Think an 18-wheeler can squeeze through?
Posted by: Robert, delightful scamp at July 21, 2019 10:48 AM (AvqJ/)

Trying to think of where you could park and walk around.

Posted by: weirdflunky at July 21, 2019 10:51 AM (cknjq)

221 The bastards at KISS LIBRARY stole my humble diet book. They have put it in PDF and ePUB and now it is out there for anyone to pass on. It was only up in Amazon's Kidle Direct. This could mean that Amazon is vulnerable.
https://kisslibrary.net/book/9d8bfe2f591e46d9bf19

Posted by: Chris Cassone at July 21, 2019 10:51 AM (ue4sq)

222 It's scary how much Amazon customizes what you see.

I was disappointed checking my Sword and Scimitar page, I see no link to Ramtha Trump Prophecy. I guess the aliens (Gray's?) didn't want me to know about this.

I justify using them knowing that a tiny tiny fraction of my money is indirectly supporting Space X. (Blue Origin's more important competitor)

Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at July 21, 2019 10:51 AM (x8Q/V)

223 One of the most interesting aspects of reading journals from the 1700s is how different their perception of time was. We get irritated if it takes a few extra seconds to load a website. They could take days and weeks to accomplish 'simple' matters like providing clothing for a family or adding to a house, or just getting to the next town. It is one of the biggest disconnects between today and the past. Hell, just getting a wood or coal burning stove ready for use took knowledge and time.

I'm not saying it was better back then but it certainly is different.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 10:53 AM (bmdz3)

224 Robert, in all seriousness, heading east or west on 20?

Posted by: weirdflunky at July 21, 2019 10:53 AM (cknjq)

225 Just checked, Kiss Library hasn't sucked in my book. Yet.

Posted by: zeera Gimme some 12 bar blues with a B3 please at July 21, 2019 10:54 AM (CAJL/)

226 Okay, my stomach's really rumbling. Off to make an Italian sausage and cheese omelet.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at July 21, 2019 10:55 AM (iB1oa)

227 It's been a while since I read it, but if you're interested in the interplay between Elizabeth, Shakespeare, and Royal Politics and Declared Religion, I would recommend the book _Shadowplay_ by Clare Asquith. There's another similar book out there, but I can't remember the title. Let me search a little bit more.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Who Had A B-Wing, and Called It Brad at July 21, 2019 10:55 AM (Clxcy)

228 Of course, the Catholics never did anything like that, at all.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 10:47 AM (GDooN)

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Outside of the papal states and some bishoprics in the Holy Roman Empire, the Church had no temporal power to punish.

Secular rulers had to do the dirty work and they could (and sometimes did) commute sentences.

The point is that Tudor apologists have to fall back on "Well, other than the systematic execution of people who refused to bow to the new religion (which included Protestant dissenters as well as Catholic), Elizabeth was a pretty decent ruler."

They never say why that was do damn important. It wouldn't have been hard to make the "problem" go away and nothing much would have changed.

Well, the Crown would have had less money and power, which is why she was willing to kill to keep both.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:56 AM (HIUfw)

229 They could take days and weeks to accomplish 'simple' matters like providing clothing for a family or adding to a house, or just getting to the next town. It is one of the biggest disconnects between today and the past.


This may be oversharing but that's a point I used to yell at Mommy. She's the type who if she expects me at 5:00 is convinced by 5:15 that I'm dead in a ditch.

So I'd say this trip 200 years ago would take weeks, you wouldn't know what day I would arrive if the mail happened to get there faster than I did. I will not ever tell you when to expect me, just that I'll be visiting.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 10:57 AM (fuK7c)

230 Morning horde.

I'm reading Romanovs:1613 to 1918 by Simon Sebag Montefiore.

I'm at the point where tsar Alexander II and Napoleon go at it.

Long and fascinating read.

Posted by: mpfs, Waiter, I'll have the Juan de Fuca Plate at July 21, 2019 10:57 AM (Nn6zC)

231 > Hell, just getting a wood or coal burning stove ready for use took knowledge and time.

Indeed. I grew up with wood-burning heat.
Eventually you get so good at it that you can wake up cold in the middle of the night, stir up the fire and add wood, and go back to bed without ever waking up completely.
I was a piker compared to earlier generations, though. Both of my great-grandmothers could do stuff like make cakes in a wood range, something that can't even imagine attempting (we had a propane cook stove by the time I came around).



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 10:57 AM (GDooN)

232 201 Henry VIII capitalized on grassroots anti-Papal feeling that had been building in England for a long time. Even in the mid-fifteenth century, people were prone to saying things like, "The Pope's curse would not kill a fly", and were resentful of the expansion of the rich and powerful monastic establishments.
Posted by: Captain Obvious at July 21, 2019 10:44 AM (iB1oa)
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The "grassroots" part is a myth. The peasantry weren't on board, at all, revolting against the King. It was merchants and nobles who drove the Reformation.

C S Lewis points out that one of the shrewd things Elizabeth did was resist further liturgical changes, which the common people would notice, more than theological ones, which they wouldn't.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 10:58 AM (VaN/j)

233 @223
I think it's the concept of specialization.
Stone age people (even today) are using all their efforts trying to survive. When people can lay off tasks to others, everyone gets more efficient as a whole.

Posted by: artemis at July 21, 2019 10:59 AM (AwPyG)

234 > Secular rulers had to do the dirty work
If it's done at the behest of the church, it doesn't matter who actually lights the fire.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 10:59 AM (GDooN)

235 Speaking of concepts of time, my daughter is managing some greenhouses in Denali Park for a lodge 90 miles into the sticks. Even though the growing season is short in terms of number of days, the length of the summer days means that something taking at least three weeks to grow here is ready ten days after being put in the ground.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 11:03 AM (y7DUB)

236 How to open a book: new technology requires tech support

https://youtu.be/pQHX-SjgQvQ

Posted by: Kindltot at July 21, 2019 11:03 AM (vJw+j)

237 The best thing about history is that it keeps changing. Gotta be on your toes to study history.

Posted by: klaftern at July 21, 2019 11:04 AM (RuIsu)

238 223
One of the most interesting aspects of reading journals from the 1700s
is how different their perception of time was. We get irritated if it
takes a few extra seconds to load a website. They could take days and
weeks to accomplish 'simple' matters like providing clothing for a
family or adding to a house, or just getting to the next town. It is one
of the biggest disconnects between today and the past. Hell, just
getting a wood or coal burning stove ready for use took knowledge and
time.



I'm not saying it was better back then but it certainly is different.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 10:53 AM (bmdz3)

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Dafoe's Diary of the Plague Year is great. Fairly quick read, too.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 11:04 AM (HIUfw)

239 I have spent the past several weeks enjoying the Moron Recommended "Martha's Vineyard Mystery" series by Philip R. Craig.

These are enjoyable but not overly-challenging mysteries and involve the main characters doing a lot eating and imbibing of spirits between solving murders.

Right now I'm on Book 7, Death on a Vineyard Beach. I believe there are about 19 books in all.

I particularly enjoy the time setting the book series began in: back in the late 80s before the internet. The protagonist actually uses the library to find out information!

Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at July 21, 2019 11:05 AM (NqQAS)

240 228
The point is that Tudor apologists have to fall back on "Well, other than the systematic execution of people who refused to bow to the new religion (which included Protestant dissenters as well as Catholic), Elizabeth was a pretty decent ruler."

They never say why that was do damn important. It wouldn't have been hard to make the "problem" go away and nothing much would have changed.

Well, the Crown would have had less money and power, which is why she was willing to kill to keep both.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 10:56 AM (HIUfw)
________

To be fair to Elizabeth, it's understandable why she was paranoid about her position, given her upbringing. And she pretty much knew that had she gone the other way, there were many in the new nobility who would have been quick to off her.

Once again, for the umpteenth time, I'll recommend the intro Lewis wrote to his OHEL volume. It's online, and should be mandatory reading in all schools. As usual, he tries to be evenhanded, though later in the volume his Anglican allegiance does show. But then, it's especially strong when speaking of Hooker, who has got to be one of the most sympathetic Protestants to a Catholic.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 11:05 AM (VaN/j)

241 Captain Hate, we're talking weed, aren't we?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 11:06 AM (kQs4Y)

242 that pic of the books reminded me a the "five foot shelf" of books, which I had to Bing to realize is just "The Harvard Classics". The whole set is on Ebay for $240 delivered, or online for free.


I have so much stacked up to read, I'd need the super condensed versions to get through them. But I learn a lot just listening to the moron horde scholars discuss Europe's evolution, and "contextualizing" some of the little history I did learn.


My summary is the America emerged as exceptional out of a revolution against the kings and popes pretending to be Divine, or at least pretending to be the middleman. And what the left has done for 70 years (or since our founding) is to try to restore central control, put man "back in chains" of bondage to centralized government, where man is servant to the (fake) elite families.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 21, 2019 11:08 AM (Cus5s)

243 The other book might be _The Quest For Shakespeare_ by Joseph Pierce.

Both books are worth reading for a good background on Tudor England and the society thereof.

The thing is, both books tend to start a "question cascade" about how much we tend to ignore about history because we learn in history class about Henry VII, Henry VIII, Bloody Mary, and Elizabeth, but not the people who made up the country.

For instance: Shakespeare's wife's clan's head was so obvious in his recusancy that he was executed by the state for it. Which leads down to: wait, we thought Shakespeare didn't have much of a relationship with his wife (since we interpret all the evidence that way)... might that be wrong? But also goes on to "Wait, _England_ had clan groups and chieftains?" and "Ordinary people, not just high church officials, etc. and big-time aristocrats, were executed for their religion?"

Along the way you begin to think the Never-Stratfordians (I forget what the other term for them is) are full of bunkum.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Who Had A B-Wing, and Called It Brad at July 21, 2019 11:09 AM (Clxcy)

244 229 They could take days and weeks to accomplish 'simple' matters like providing clothing for a family or adding to a house, or just getting to the next town. It is one of the biggest disconnects between today and the past.


This may be oversharing but that's a point I used to yell at Mommy. She's the type who if she expects me at 5:00 is convinced by 5:15 that I'm dead in a ditch.

So I'd say this trip 200 years ago would take weeks, you wouldn't know what day I would arrive if the mail happened to get there faster than I did. I will not ever tell you when to expect me, just that I'll be visiting.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 10:57 AM (fuK7c)
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I've seen that effect in people talking about naval history. Though in a sense they know it's not true, deep down people will often show there's an assumption that something like WWII communications were applicable to the age of sail.

One very significant fact that comes out, but is too often forgotten, is just how much an admiral or general on a foreign station WAS the government of his country. This is one area where Collingwood outshines Nelson, at least when Emma Hamilton came into the equation.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 11:09 AM (VaN/j)

245 I just discovered, thanks to Skip, that my1599 Geneva Bible is published by Tolle Lege

Posted by: Grannymimi at July 21, 2019 11:09 AM (u5LFV)

246 53 Reading 'Churchill Walking with Destiny'. At over a thousand pages, it is an extremely detailed look at his life, perhaps everything you ever wanted to know about Churchill and more. Andrew Roberts had access to far more source material than the many previous biographers which explains its length. Given that Churchill is one of the half dozen most important men in history, I am happy to dedicate the time to it. I have seen several interviews of Roberts and he seems to be genuinely enamored with Churchill and realizes how he did so much to save Western Civilization.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 21, 2019 09:24 AM (KnT4m)

A damn good book. I'm plowing my way through it now and because I routinely travel to OH on business I left my copy there and I read one to three chapters at a time per visit. I figure I'll be done by the end of the year.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 11:09 AM (/0HPZ)

247 LOL. No, more like legal crops. I didn't see any hiking around the tundra and arboreal forests. I'm not sure it can grow in those conditions even though it's called weed.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 11:11 AM (y7DUB)

248 237 The best thing about history is that it keeps changing. Gotta be on your toes to study history.
..

Just like the climate.

Posted by: AGW ALARMIST at July 21, 2019 11:11 AM (MAstk)

249 If it's done at the behest of the church, it doesn't matter who actually lights the fire.


Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 10:59 AM (GDooN)

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Sure it does, because the king (or duke or whatever) is ultimately the one in charge and if the case seemed unjust (say a bishop settling scores) the crown would inflict a minor punishment.

And yes, there was an interplay here - the crown would finger somebody and have the Church investigate them for heresy because there was nothing else to go on, the Church would convict and then the guy would be duly executed.

The Templars are the perfect example of this.

The point is that church and state were at least rival centers of power, as opposed to the Protestant model with merged the two.

That's why I find it ironic that Protestant histories try to claim that they are free-thinking individualists and value the separation of church and state.

In practice, no. Separating church and state became a thing in the Americas because so many non-conformists fled (or were exiled) here. And Catholics were happy to see the benefit as well.

By the way, merging church and state made heresy (or nonconformism) outright treason, immediately punishable by death.

In Catholic areas, you could be a heretic and simply repent. Can't repent from treason, though.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 11:11 AM (HIUfw)

250 231 > Hell, just getting a wood or coal burning stove ready for use took knowledge and time.

Indeed. I grew up with wood-burning heat.
Eventually you get so good at it that you can wake up cold in the middle of the night, stir up the fire and add wood, and go back to bed without ever waking up completely.
I was a piker compared to earlier generations, though. Both of my great-grandmothers could do stuff like make cakes in a wood range, something that can't even imagine attempting (we had a propane cook stove by the time I came around).



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 10:57 AM (GDooN)

=====

"The Man on the Train", mentioned earlier, targetted wood-burning families, using their own axe (blunt side) to kill them.

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 11:12 AM (3JbJY)

251 234 > Secular rulers had to do the dirty work
If it's done at the behest of the church, it doesn't matter who actually lights the fire.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 10:59 AM (GDooN)


We didn't do it.

Posted by: Billy Joel at July 21, 2019 11:12 AM (NWiLs)

252 179 A friend went to the USSR in the 70s, and said he
didn't see a single good looking girl. Even assuming exaggeration,
something has obviously changed. Does Communism, along with its other
crimes, destroy women's beauty, too?


Waitlist for woman is 5 years, Comrade.

Waitlist for good-looking woman, 2 years. And must be Inner Party member.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 21, 2019 10:30 AM (oVJmc)

Any kind of ripple in humanity terrifies the Left, which demands absolute uniformity. They CANNOT TOLERATE the idea that someone might be better off than someone else at...anything. Anne Applebaum put it best, perhaps, when she stated in an article something along the lines that even unusual beauty was something to fear in the Soviet Union.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 11:13 AM (/0HPZ)

253 The Irish Republic has reasons for being strictly neutral during WWII. They didn't sell materiel to the Nazis like the Swedes

And sending condolences on Hitlers death was a neat joke, no?

Posted by: Ignoramus at July 21, 2019 11:14 AM (0NKIC)

254 This week/month my husband has been absorbed in Middlemarch and banging on about the important "lessons" it teaches. We got into a bit of a disagreement about literature and lessons and how I couldn't point to a single person who made a great decision based on George Eliot, Jane Austen, Charles Dicken, or Steinbeck despite their exposure to the "lessons" taught. Madame Bovary has probably not dissuaded a single guy from marrying a pretty but social climbing young woman who does not live up to expectations (in fact demolishes his well being), so why on earth would Middlemarch keep young women from marrying useless scholars, especially when they also have money?

I'm ready to burn Middlemarch on the grill.

Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 11:15 AM (U7k5w)

255 234 > Secular rulers had to do the dirty work
If it's done at the behest of the church, it doesn't matter who actually lights the fire.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 10:59 AM (GDooN)
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Actually, it does make a difference. The trouble with the secular rulers is that they cut corners the Church says they shouldn't. And the Church - even in corrupt eras - has a better record of consistency than politicians. E.g., the Inquisition was a barrier to witchcraft trials.

The other thing that Protestant histories don't notice about the early modern era is how much the Church in Catholic countries was dominated by the state. The days of Canossa were long gone. Catholic as well as Protestant countries tried to make the Church a department of state. They just couldn't quite make it stick. Odd, that.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 11:15 AM (VaN/j)

256 252 ... Anne Applebaum put it best, perhaps, when she stated in an article something along the lines that even unusual beauty was something to fear in the Soviet Union.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 11:13 AM (/0HPZ)

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I beg to differ, Kurt Vonnegut put it best, in "Harrison Bergeron" ...

Posted by: Kingsnake at July 21, 2019 11:15 AM (3JbJY)

257 Currently I'm dipping into the ghost stories of M.R. James, whose "Casting the Runes," for example, became the classic creep movie Curse of the Demon. His " 'Oh, Whistle, and I'll Come to You, My Lad' " is very readable still, and very disturbing.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 21, 2019 10:03 AM (4c+5M)



Love MR James.

He's just the best for reading on a cool Fall or cold Winter night as the wind blows outside.


Wonderful writer as well as ghost story teller.

I particularly like the writing magic trick of showing you most, if not all, of the information then pull the readers thinking right out from under them. Boo!

"Oh, Whistle..." is a wonderful example of this.

If you've never reading it, try to find a version that doesn't have illustrations as they always manage to spoil the BOO!

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2019 11:15 AM (2EMYr)

258
Any kind of ripple in humanity terrifies the
Left, which demands absolute uniformity. They CANNOT TOLERATE the idea
that someone might be better off than someone else at...anything. Anne
Applebaum put it best, perhaps, when she stated in an article something
along the lines that even unusual beauty was something to fear in the
Soviet Union.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 11:13 AM (/0HPZ)

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And yet Applebaum is another raving Never Trumper now.

Orange Man Bad claims yet another formerly-respected author.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 11:16 AM (HIUfw)

259 127 Austin has a "Bookpeople" book store. It's pretty leftist. Downtown near Whole Foods and REI.
Posted by: lin-duh, was deplorable now a committed racist! at July 21, 2019 10:03 AM (UUBmN)

AUSTIN? The capital of the People's Republic of Travis County, "pretty Leftist"? NO!

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 11:16 AM (/0HPZ)

260 He is also startling to whistle showtunes....bleh

Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 11:17 AM (U7k5w)

261 So is I bad thing to admit remembering those pants?

Posted by: Diogenes at July 21, 2019 11:17 AM (axyOa)

262 The thing is, both books tend to start a "question
cascade" about how much we tend to ignore about history because we learn
in history class about Henry VII, Henry VIII, Bloody Mary, and
Elizabeth, but not the people who made up the country.


Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Who Had A B-Wing, and Called It Brad at July 21, 2019 11:09 AM (Clxcy)

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Yes, that's what I'm driving at. We have these assertions made up by Protestant historians assuring us that the "common people" absolutely wanted a reformation. Except there is zero proof of this, and in fact tons of proof of the opposite.

One of the reasons Henry (and Elizabeth) were so paranoid was that they knew the common people were unhappy with their religious policies. There were a number of local rebellions (naturally attributed to Jesuit spies - gotta have a scapegoat) in favor of restoring the faith of their ancestors.

They also had to kill a lot of their own clergy as well.

Again, historians tell us that other than these killings, everything was peachy.

Sure it was.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 11:21 AM (HIUfw)

263 One other thing about earlier times is that, reading either Pepys or William Byrd, it's pretty clear you were going around half-crocked most of the time. They needed a half pint of rum just to get through the ordeal of getting up in the morning. And didn't stop then. Kind of like being in college in the 70s.

Which brings up a point on which the Luddites had a case. Previous to the rise of factories, they would do their work at home. They had quotas. Some were assiduous, of course, but many lived as we students did in the 70s. They had Sundays off, of course, but would also "worship at the church of St Monday". Or Tuesday. Then it was all-nighters to make quota.

Factories meant they lost control of their working day, being always under the eyes of a boss. Kind of like Cube Land today. And so far as that one point goes, I'm sympathetic.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 11:21 AM (VaN/j)

264 Good grief it's hot.

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2019 11:21 AM (MVjcR)

265 238 ... "Dafoe's Diary of the Plague Year is great. Fairly quick read, too."

AH, Thanks for the suggestion.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 11:21 AM (bmdz3)

266 Good grief it's hot.
Posted by: Weasel

Amen, brutha.

Posted by: JT at July 21, 2019 11:24 AM (arJlL)

267 And yet Applebaum is another raving Never Trumper now.

Orange Man Bad claims yet another formerly-respected author.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 11:16 AM (HIUfw)

Applebaum always confused me in that regard. She writes good, quality, well researched books that extol the dangers of totalitarianism (Iron Curtain is a warning about what happens when civil society is destroyed - the Left and the U.S. government at ALL LEVELS is AT WAR with civil society and people better wake up and notice, but anyways) but she is still very much a Statist. I don't get it.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 11:24 AM (/0HPZ)

268 I was a piker compared to earlier generations, though. Both of my
great-grandmothers could do stuff like make cakes in a wood range,
something that can't even imagine attempting (we had a propane cook
stove by the time I came around).



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 10:57 AM (GDooN)

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My grandmother had a wood-burning stove in her kitchen. She told me that they would bank up the fire and set a pot of water on it and then go out into the fields and pick the corn. By the time it was cleaned and ready the water was good and hot.

She said it was the best corn you could ever eat, cooking it that fresh.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 11:24 AM (HIUfw)

269 Glittering Images, by Camile Paglia. Something of an overview of art history while discussing what's wrong with modern art.

"One reason for the marginalization of the fine arts today is that artists are too often addressing other artists and the in-group of hip cognoscenti."

Or

"Nothing is more hackneyed than the liberal dogma that shock value confers automatic importance on an artwork."

Posted by: Lirio100 at July 21, 2019 11:25 AM (JK7Jw)

270 As to the quote of Neal Stephenson up top - this will earn me the wrath of the thread, I suspect, but I hated Stephenson. Cryptonomicon had a lot of promise but I wound up hating the book. (Seriously. You do not need to spend ten-twelve pages describing how to eat Captain Crunch cereal.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 21, 2019 11:26 AM (/0HPZ)

271
Wolfus Aurelius,


If you like MR James, try-

"Antique Dust" by Robert Westall

He's just as good as James and somewhat similar. Excellent book of supernatural/ghost short stories. Wonderful writer.

You can find "AD" on Amazon on paper and the Kindle.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 21, 2019 11:26 AM (2EMYr)

272 265: I just bought a Kindle edition, I think I'll talk about it all day for weeks...

Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 11:27 AM (U7k5w)

273 Factories meant they lost control of their working
day, being always under the eyes of a boss. Kind of like Cube Land
today. And so far as that one point goes, I'm sympathetic.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 11:21 AM (VaN/j)

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Urbanization also killed the little garden common people had in their village. Instead of supplementing their diet with vegetables in their intensely-cultivated plot, they were forced to buy it out of their wages and they were at the mercy of the people shipping it into town.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 11:27 AM (HIUfw)

274 Re the pants, I narrowly escaped those but fashion for a kid in the early/mid 80s wasn't a hell of a lot better, especially when your mother made it her mission to make you look as retarded as possible due to a complete lack of fashion sense and inexplicable desire to sabotage all possibility of being accepted by my peers.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 21, 2019 11:28 AM (NWiLs)

275 She said it was the best corn you could ever eat, cooking it that fresh.


I believe that. We did an experiment in jr. high with test tubes and things that changed color which showed that corn was sugar on day one and starch on day two. I can't eat any other than same day corn.

I passed a farm stand in Pennsylvania the other day that had a corn sign up. It was a twisty fast two lane road with no easy turn-arounds but I thought, self, you'll be bound to see another farmstand with corn in this neck of the woods.

Guess what self didn't find.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 11:28 AM (fuK7c)

276 Elizabeth

Orange Lady bad !

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 11:29 AM (2DOZq)

277 Glittering Images, by Camile Paglia. Something of an overview of art history while discussing what's wrong with modern art.


Posted by: Lirio100 at July 21, 2019 11:25 AM (JK7Jw)

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I remember reading her back in the early 90s when p.c. culture first popped up.

It went away and we hoped it was gone forever, but like Sauron's orcs, they were simply multiplying their forces in the darkness, waiting for a chance to strike.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 11:29 AM (HIUfw)

278 From "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck" by Mark Manson:

By not giving a fuck that you feel bad, you short-circuit the Feedback Loop from Hell; you say to yourself, "I feel like shit, but who gives a fuck?" And then, as if sprinkled by magic fuck-giving fairy dust, you stop hating yourself for feeling so bad.

Wanting positive experience is a negative experience; accepting negative experience is a positive experience. It's what the philosopher Alan Watts used to refer to as "the backwards law" -- the idea that the more you pursue feeling better all the time, the less satisfied you become, as pursuing something only reinforces the fact that you lack it in the first place.

In my life, I have given a fuck about many things. I have also not given a fuck about many things. And like the road not taken, it was the fucks not given that made all the difference.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 14, 2019 09:01 AM (kQs4Y)


This concept, it shows up in various belief systems/therapeutic models. It can be extraordinarily useful, especially for those who spend lots of their time living in the past or the future.

I'd be curious where the author goes with it, what options he suggests for how to proceed once one stops "giving a f**k," because often that's a sticking point. Replacing one thing for another, having an approach to life that isn't just about not doing what has been problematic, but actually doing, you know, what is meaningful.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 11:29 AM (cY3LT)

279 249
The point is that church and state were at least rival centers of power, as opposed to the Protestant model with merged the two.

That's why I find it ironic that Protestant histories try to claim that they are free-thinking individualists and value the separation of church and state.

In practice, no. Separating church and state became a thing in the Americas because so many non-conformists fled (or were exiled) here. And Catholics were happy to see the benefit as well.

By the way, merging church and state made heresy (or nonconformism) outright treason, immediately punishable by death.

In Catholic areas, you could be a heretic and simply repent. Can't repent from treason, though.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 11:11 AM (HIUfw)
______

That is a truth people simply don't see. The actual separation of Church and State was an invention of the medieval West. You don't find it before that, or elsewhere. That it wasn't done as we do it is beside the point. Besides, it is actually true that the Church WAS independent of the state, and could stand up to it. Our system, OTOH, really has the Church as subject, just hoping that promises will be kept, if the courts will keep them. And many moderns hate that.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 21, 2019 11:30 AM (VaN/j)

280 Glittering Images, by Camile Paglia. Something of an overview of art history while discussing what's wrong with modern art.

"One reason for the marginalization of the fine arts today is that artists are too often addressing other artists and the in-group of hip cognoscenti."

Or

"Nothing is more hackneyed than the liberal dogma that shock value confers automatic importance on an artwork."
Posted by: Lirio100 at July 21, 2019 11:25 AM (JK7Jw)


Hurricane Camille's art commentary is both learned and readable. Other than Robert Hughes, who died in 2012, I don't know of any other recent ones worth reading.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 11:30 AM (y7DUB)

281 268. An aunt used to cook many things in her very large fireplace, soups, vegetables and occasionally bread. I adored her. She taught me many skills that are growing in popularity today.

Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 11:31 AM (U7k5w)

282 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 11:11 AM (HIUfw)
______

You find it ironic because you're wrong.

Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 21, 2019 11:32 AM (2DOZq)

283 Glittering Images, by Camile Paglia. Something of an overview of art history while discussing what's wrong with modern art.

"One reason for the marginalization of the fine arts today is that artists are too often addressing other artists and the in-group of hip cognoscenti."

Or

"Nothing is more hackneyed than the liberal dogma that shock value confers automatic importance on an artwork."
Posted by: Lirio100 at July 21, 2019 11:25 AM (JK7Jw)


The good thing about Camille Paglia is that she is insightful and often right. The bad thing about Camille Paglia is that her writing is a terrible, painful slog.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 11:34 AM (cY3LT)

284 This has to be the coolest July in the PNW in years.

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 11:35 AM (MAstk)

285 261 So is I bad thing to admit remembering those pants?

Posted by: Diogenes at July 21, 2019 11:17 AM (axyOa)


No, but if your mother made you wear them, I'd say she's guilty of a hate crime.

Posted by: OregonMuse. AoSHQ Thought Leader & Pants Monitor at July 21, 2019 11:35 AM (smcnr)

286 My most recent electric/nat gas bill was...


$47.

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 11:36 AM (MAstk)

287
The good thing about Camille Paglia is that she is insightful and often right. The bad thing about Camille Paglia is that her writing is a terrible, painful slog.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 11:34 AM
(cY3LT)
Go cheap and read sections, no need to read every word.

Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 11:36 AM (U7k5w)

288 The bad thing about Camille Paglia is that her writing is a terrible, painful slog.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 11:34 AM (cY3LT)


She writes like she talks, which is so rapid fire that I'm surprised she doesn't have a major stuttering problem. I'm sure she told some early editors to fuck off before they stopped suggesting changes.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 11:38 AM (y7DUB)

289 My most recent electric/nat gas bill was...
$47.
Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 11:36 AM (MAstk)
~~~~~

Grrrrrrr.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 21, 2019 11:38 AM (sGotD)

290 284: It's shitty in the NYC metropolitan area. Hot, humid and still.

Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 11:38 AM (U7k5w)

291 "She said it was the best corn you could ever eat, cooking it that fresh."


still true I think, but now we have "supersweet" varieties. They are good even without cooking. I hope for a time we get back to a lot of local producers providing fresh from the garden, extended season options, as part of repopulating some of the rural communities.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 21, 2019 11:38 AM (Cus5s)

292 276 Elizabeth

Orange Lady bad !


Actually, the Orange People didn't come along until later, with the Glorious Revolution.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain, Who Had A B-Wing, and Called It Brad at July 21, 2019 11:39 AM (Clxcy)

293 She writes like she talks, which is so rapid fire that I'm surprised she doesn't have a major stuttering problem.

I love watching Paglia talk. People think I talk fast. I think my friends talk fast. Camille's like hold my beer.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 11:39 AM (fuK7c)

294 257 ... "Love MR James."

This is when ebooks are helpful. I just ordered a collection of MR James stories really cheap. If needed, I can always put the book on the list I keep handy to find on sale. (Yeah, I checked the local library. They only have him on downloadable audio books. I want to read the words.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 11:40 AM (bmdz3)

295 291: I'm glad I'm not the only one who likes it uncooked.

Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 11:40 AM (U7k5w)

296 Well, Glittering Images isn't too bad!

One thing I found interesting that might not have been intended by her is how the function of art in society changed over time. The statues we call Roman art were for a purpose, what we call Saxon art is often in the form of sword fittings and dress brooches. We'd call this craft today. A huge painting that consists of swirls done with ketchup would not be recognized by them, it's making me lean toward modern art as money laundering.

Posted by: Lirio100 at July 21, 2019 11:41 AM (JK7Jw)

297 Word of the Day: Scopophilia - to derive aesthetic pleasure from looking at someone or something.

My version: Scopacetic - describing someone or something that is drool-worthy.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at July 21, 2019 11:41 AM (kQs4Y)

298 The statues we call Roman art were for a purpose


The funny thing is that they were entirely different in the day. We think of Roman sculpture as austere white marble. They were mostly painted, painted in gaudy whorehouse colors.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 11:43 AM (fuK7c)

299 Jersey corn and tomatoes are exceptional this year!

But I've got to tell you about the cantaloupe I got the other day. It was as big as a basketball and the price was $6.00 (!) I was going back and forth between the normal and gargantuan melons when the proprietor said, "Go for the big one, you won't regret it." LOL

I did, and it was the most delicious cantaloupe I have had in years. Tender, juicy and very sweet, and there was a tremendous amount of fruit--easily three regular melons worth.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 21, 2019 11:43 AM (sGotD)

300 A huge painting that consists of swirls done with ketchup would not be recognized by them, it's making me lean toward modern art as money laundering.
Posted by: Lirio100 at July 21, 2019 11:41 AM (JK7Jw)


The really horrible stuff I regard as trying to satisfy a numbnuts art teacher.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 21, 2019 11:43 AM (y7DUB)

301 Forgot the name of a movie about a Sgt and his squad of anti-aircraft artillery girls. But it has two versions, from Communist era and afterwards both which I watched and eithe is very watchable.
Anyway the Communist era women are what you would think, the later version with western style women are quite attractive especially compared to the early version.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 11:44 AM (BbGew)

302 The good thing about Camille Paglia is that she is insightful and often right. The bad thing about Camille Paglia is that her writing is a terrible, painful slog.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 11:34 AM
(cY3LT)
Go cheap and read sections, no need to read every word.
Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 11:36 AM (U7k5w)


My brain doesn't work that way. I'm a slow reader, and can't "skip words," which is how I assume lots of folks manage to read as fast as they do.

Every article in every sentence, every side note, every tangent. I gotta follow them. I've come to accept it as a blessing and a curse.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 11:44 AM (cY3LT)

303 286 My most recent electric/nat gas bill was...


$47.

Posted by: HA at July 21, 2019 11:36 AM (MAstk)


My lowest ones are about $75 in the spring and fall when I'm not even running the heater or air conditioner.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 11:45 AM (sdi6R)

304 299: I try to get to the CSA before anyone else does, the purple cherry tomatoes tasted like berries! I know tomatoes are fruits, but when they're very fresh I understand this better. I haven't found corn yet.

Posted by: CN at July 21, 2019 11:45 AM (U7k5w)

305 " My most recent electric/nat gas bill was...
$47. "

Do you bathe?

Posted by: pawn at July 21, 2019 11:46 AM (PveK5)

306 Forgot the name of a movie about a Sgt and his squad of anti-aircraft artillery girls. But it has two versions, from Communist era and afterwards both which I watched and eithe is very watchable.
Anyway the Communist era women are what you would think, the later version with western style women are quite attractive especially compared to the early version.
Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2019 11:44 AM (BbGew)


"The Dawns Here Are Quiet."

I've watched the newer version, and have the older version around here.

Seems the actresses they got to play the parts of the newer versions were NOT just selected for their acting ability. I believe the older version, they were made to look the part of badass gals.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 11:46 AM (cY3LT)

307 Jersey corn and tomatoes are exceptional this year!

Posted by: IrishEi at July 21, 2019 11:43 AM (sGotD)

Corn is good, but I haven't had a good tomato yet. My local farm assures me that the good ones will be here this week!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2019 11:47 AM (wYseH)

308 The good thing about Camille Paglia is that she is
insightful and often right. The bad thing about Camille Paglia is that
her writing is a terrible, painful slog.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 11:34 AM (cY3LT)

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I liked the columns she used to write. Some people are better at essays than long-form books. I've never read one of her books cover-to-cover, just selected essays, which are quite good.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 11:47 AM (SEYt0)

309 Are we talking art? !

Get a load of these pics of everyone's favorite Spirit cooker, Marina Abramovic of Podesta fame, and Lady Gaga (!)

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y5jzt4jr

Posted by: IrishEi at July 21, 2019 11:47 AM (sGotD)

310 " it is actually true that the Church WAS independent
of the state, and could stand up to it. Our system, OTOH, really has
the Church as subject, just hoping that promises will be kept, if the
courts will keep them. And many moderns hate that." Posted by: Eeyore


One can be Catholic or Protestant without fear of government or pope ... in America today. Wasn't that much less true of earlier Europe?


Being Catholic under Protestant royalty, or (Catholic) Luther under the Pope (and I guess secular government) ... seemed to make life much more difficult than it would be today in USA (if there were still so many men with such conviction).

Posted by: illiniwek at July 21, 2019 11:47 AM (Cus5s)

311 My next bill will be north of $200, I'm sure. I don't care. As long as the air conditioner keeps working, that's all that matters.

Posted by: rickl at July 21, 2019 11:48 AM (sdi6R)

312 Seems the actresses they got to play the parts of the newer versions were NOT just selected for their acting ability. I believe the older version, they were made to look the part of badass gals.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 11:46 AM (cY3LT)


Oh, heh. That's what you already said.

I was in a hurry to reply, didn't quite absorb what you were saying. So yeah, if one is inclined, watch the newer version first. It doesn't pull any punches, literally or figuratively.

I'll get to the older one sooner or later, but yeah, Ludmilla the shotput gal is the look they were going for in that one.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2019 11:49 AM (cY3LT)

313 Corn is good, but I haven't had a good tomato yet. My local farm assures me that the good ones will be here this week!


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2019 11:47 AM (wYseH)

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...and were in the gardening thread!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 11:49 AM (SEYt0)

314 back amongst civilization. yippie!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at July 21, 2019 11:49 AM (KP5rU)

315 OM, Thanks for the Book Thread. I should write that every week. It is one of the high points of my weekend and has led to so many hours of pleasurable reading.

Posted by: JTB at July 21, 2019 11:50 AM (bmdz3)

316 Dread0 at July 21, 2019 09:32 AM (Bptbo)

Have you read Robert Spencer's book, "The Truth About Mohamed"?It seems to be well researched and is quite interesting.

Posted by: Grannymimi at July 21, 2019 11:50 AM (u5LFV)

317 > Anyway the Communist era women are what you would think
The Communists in general were very secretive about their women. If I'm remembering right, Gorby's wife Raisa was the first one who actually had a real media presence. Good-looking woman. I imagine she was quite fetching when she was young.

The women who appeared in Soviet propaganda photos and films for, e.g. killing 72 Germans in their sleep, definitely fell in the Megan Rapinoe region of the spectrum that goes from 80's Phoebe Cates on one end to Helen Thomas on the other.



Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at July 21, 2019 11:52 AM (GDooN)

318 Corn is good, but I haven't had a good tomato yet. My local farm assures me that the good ones will be here this week!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 21, 2019 11:47 AM (wYseH)
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I've been using mostly plum tomatoes. Very meaty and flavorful. The few medium Jerseys I've had were very good also but the plums were better.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 21, 2019 11:52 AM (sGotD)

319 Have you read Robert Spencer's book, "The Truth About Mohamed"?It seems to be well researched and is quite interesting.


Posted by: Grannymimi at July 21, 2019 11:50 AM (u5LFV)

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It was a quick read, but a little repetitive to my recollection as Spencer likes to pause and say "SEE! THIS IS THEIR IDEAL GUY!!!"

But he has a point.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 21, 2019 11:52 AM (SEYt0)

320 She writes like she talks, which is so rapid fire that I'm surprised she doesn't have a major stuttering problem.
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I love watching Paglia talk. People think I talk fast. I think my friends talk fast. Camille's like hold my beer.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 21, 2019 11:39 AM (fuK7c)


I think that might be it, and for me at least, I can handle it when people talk that way. There is all the non-verbal communication going on, so my brain can take it in more clearly and cleanly. With writing, it's all about the words, and I tend to have to be able to "walk the walk" with the author, so to speak.

And wi