Mitt Romney: Let It Burn

No he doesn't say that. I lied for the headline. I learned that from The Media (TM).

But what he does say is that America seems to have reached a tipping point from which it will not recover -- which is the same premise that underlies the "Let It Burn" impulse.

Via Hot Air, Byron York reports a key moment in the new Romney documentary film, relaying Romney's thoughts upon realizing he wouldn't be the next President of the United States.

As defeat settled in, Romney discussed what to say in a concession speech — which, for all his natural pessimism, Romney had not considered ahead of time. And it was in that moment that some of Romney's passion about the race finally came out, far from the view of voters and television cameras. Stevens suggested that the losing candidate should play an almost "pastoral" role, "soothing" the American people after a long and divisive campaign.

"I don't think it is a time for soothing and everything's fine," said Romney. "I think this is a time for [saying], 'This is really serious, guys. This is really serious.'"

"To get up and soothe is not my inclination," an obviously anguished Romney continued. "I cannot believe that [Obama] is an aberration in the country. I believe we're following the same path of every other great nation, which is we're following greater government, tax rich people, promise more stuff to everybody, borrow until you go over a cliff. And I think we have a very high risk of reaching the tipping point sometime in the next five years. And the idea of saying 'it's just fine, don't worry about it' -- no, it's really not."

Given what has come before it in the film — Romney's defeatism in the debates — the scene leaves the impression that perhaps in his heart of hearts Romney never really believed he could win.

I think this is what we all felt, and all feel: That Obama is not an aberration. The man and the moment met at the precisely perfect time. Prior to 2008, a socialist could not have won the White House. In 2008, and thereafter, a socialist could win the White House -- if he was the exact perfect socialist.

Which, in 2008, Obama was.

But Obama's excellence as a candidate (at least in 200 and perfect timing -- the Perfect Semi-Stealth Socialist Candidate at the perfect Socialist Moment for such a thing -- cannot obscure the fact that something has changed in America. We all feel it; we all know it. Even the very reasonable and moderate-tempered Mitt Romney, who wouldn't start yelling "Socialist!" at the drop of the hat (to the chagrin of some of us), can feel it.

I think we have not been quite the same since 2008, and probably never will be the same again. We didn't leave America; America has left us.

2012 was our opportunity to right the American ship. After all, Obama's socialist agenda had produced nothing except exactly that which we had predicted -- a miserable economy in which a record number were on food stamps our out of work, and an unpopular statist takeover of health care.

And yet, even with the proof of Socialism's failings in our pockets... We still lost.

And it wasn't even really that close.

2012, I think, represented in our minds the Last Best Chance we had to prove America was still America... and we failed in that, or, perhaps, America failed to prove that about itself.

And so what now? Who knows. As Romney suggests, this may be the long slow sinking of the ship, the looting phase of an Empire which has rotted from within, a period in which not enough people are creating wealth, because banditry is now so lucrative (and state-sponsored).

The links above (Allah's and York's) contain interesting stuff about whether Romney ever really believed he could win the Presidency. For example, he seemed resigned to the idea of losing his debates with Obama, or hoping for, at best, ties.

But I think it's Romney's observation about America the Once-Great Nation, the Once Shining City on a Hill, which are most important.

Posted by: Ace at 03:40 PM



Comments

1 Holy crap.

The part that is bolded.

And that's Mitt Romney saying that.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 03:42 PM (RJMhd)

2 Your right, ace

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 20, 2014 03:43 PM (o9Rp5)

3 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 03:43 PM (PYAXX)

4 And that's why you assholes should've voted for TEH FRED!

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 20, 2014 03:44 PM (SY2Kh)

5 And so what now?

*ahem*

Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Excise the tumors, let the health States attempt to heal.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 03:44 PM (PYAXX)

6 No no no no. Don't listen to him.

We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House, my friendsh.

Posted by: Juan McCain at January 20, 2014 03:44 PM (3bbd3)

7 Yep, this is the feeling I get deep in my gut as well. Except I think the tipping point is already here.

Hell, he wasn't wrong about the 47%. When you're starting at that much of a deficit, you're fucked...both as a candidate and as a nation.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 20, 2014 03:45 PM (GrtrJ)

8 Affirmative Action has consequences.

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 03:45 PM (lg3mB)

9 And the truly terrifying part is: What's next? Will I be in a burka in ten years? Speaking Russian?
We don't live alone on the planet, and nature abhors a vacuum.

Posted by: Biblio at January 20, 2014 03:45 PM (7o8VY)

10 I'd have been a better GOP candidate than Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Richard Sherman at January 20, 2014 03:45 PM (oFCZn)

11 Obama said He would fundamentally change America.

I guess the people said ok.

the only consolation i have is i'm not that young and perhaps won't have to live through the new socialist empire, however children will.

Posted by: willow at January 20, 2014 03:45 PM (nqBYe)

12 What is best in life Conan?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 03:45 PM (uVkIH)

13 we are screwed

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 38 days until spring training at January 20, 2014 03:45 PM (u8GsB)

14 I honestly do not believe I will be able to watch this documentary - as much as I would like to see what was going on behind the scenes. It would just reopen all the scars that are just now barely healing.

Posted by: Muad'dib at January 20, 2014 03:46 PM (KjlbF)

15 I believe we're following the same path of every other great
nation, which is we're following greater government, tax rich people,
promise more stuff to everybody, borrow until you go over a cliff.


Ain't it cool?

Posted by: Rolling Stone at January 20, 2014 03:46 PM (NXg/k)

16 when that ginormous volcano under Jellystone Park finally blows, Obama will finally be able to truthfully say that it wasn't his fault.

By the way, I was wondering... if the NSA people are so good at catching stuff, how did they miss Snowden?

Posted by: Mallfly at January 20, 2014 03:46 PM (bJm7W)

17 Now we know what the Romans felt like in 400 A.D.

Posted by: rd at January 20, 2014 03:46 PM (D+lxs)

18 The world's gone to hell in a handbasket ever since David Lee Roth left Van Halen.

Posted by: Michael Binkley at January 20, 2014 03:46 PM (RUvjp)

19 Say what you wish about Mitt.
But....what if he is correct.


And someone, anyone, tell me why he isn't correct.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 20, 2014 03:47 PM (kFCo1)

20 By the way, I was wondering... if the NSA people are so good at catching stuff, how did they miss Snowden?

Forget Snowden. Why did they miss the Tsarnaevs? You know, the ones Russia explicitly told us, "Hey, these guys are terrorists."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 03:47 PM (PYAXX)

21 For example, he seemed resigned to the idea of losing his debates with Obama, or hoping for, at best, ties.

He was candy-assed?

Posted by: White people r pushovers at January 20, 2014 03:47 PM (R6JT1)

22 By the way, I was wondering... if the NSA people are so good at catching stuff, how did they miss Snowden?


Bob at the NSA was on vacation..........

Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 03:47 PM (uVkIH)

23 So very boned.

Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at January 20, 2014 03:47 PM (QupBk)

24 But I think it's Romney's observation about America the Once-Great Nation, the Once Shining City on a Hill, which are most important.

*********

So you have two problems--this is the truth--

and more importantly you really can't tell people the truth and win.

The above and the bolded part--that's defeat.

That message won't win.

It's a little like vote fraud.


You cannot complain too much about the truth of vote fraud in elections because its effect becomes even bigger.

People start thinking their vote won't count and they decide not to vote because it will get stolen etc.

Ugh--we're going to have to sell Hope.

Maybe eve lie.

Yikes.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 03:48 PM (RJMhd)

25 I think we have not been quite the same since 2008, and probably never will be the same again. We didn't leave America; America has left us. -Ace

Or we have been infiltrated by a majority of scum sucking free loading weasels. Ace's definition has more style points than mine.

I agree with you Muad'dib I don't think I can/could watch it either.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at January 20, 2014 03:48 PM (HVff2)

26 Yeah, it looks like things will probably get worse before they get better. But I believe things will get better.

I hope that it holds true for the entire country. But if it takes secession to triage the healthy states from the doomed, so be it.

Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 20, 2014 03:48 PM (wtvvX)

27 The fun thing is, as America becomes ever more Socialist and is run by ever more open and strident Socialists -- we become the evil Anti-Americans that every red-blooded American has a patriotic duty to stamp out.

Taking over institutions is how it works. And that means the American flag will soon become a symbol of Socialism.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 03:48 PM (ZPrif)

28 Great piece, but it has been coming for a half century at least. Gary Allen warned about the real power brokers in 1973. People are so concerned over labels and names they can't see what they know to be true: the communists are the crony capitalists. The real enemies of the individual are those who manipulate the money supply.

Posted by: @koenigjojo at January 20, 2014 03:48 PM (58bxI)

29
By the way, I was wondering... if the NSA people are so good at catching stuff, how did they miss Snowden?
Posted by: Mallfly at January 20, 2014 03:46 PM (bJm7W)


The same way they missed Flashbang and Speedbump, the Tsarenev brothers, Al-Walki, the Fort Hood shooter, etc.

Posted by: rd at January 20, 2014 03:49 PM (D+lxs)

30 Concerning Romney's attitude that he would lose the debates...

I believe he thought that no matter how he did, it would be portrayed by the MSM as a loss. Romney didn't believe that Obama could do as bad as he did in the first debate, making it impossible to spin in Obama's favor.

Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 03:49 PM (u2a4R)

31 Two (or more)-state solution.
Decide which side is Rome and which is Byzantium, while I pack my bags.

Posted by: BuddyPC at January 20, 2014 03:49 PM (jfUIE)

32 You can't both say Romney didn't think about a concession speech and also say he never thought he could win.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 03:50 PM (m2CN7)

33 Victor Davis Hanson sounds a bit deflated, too.

http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/thin-strand-of-civilization/

Posted by: rickl at January 20, 2014 03:50 PM (zoehZ)

34 All I can do is hunker down here in Texas and hope I can find a decent job. The people got what they were told they wanted and then they got it a second time.


As I've said before, Obama is the symptom not the disease. This is squarely on the 52.

America is a shitfail.

Posted by: eleven at January 20, 2014 03:50 PM (KXm42)

35 Generally we get written up if we investigate Muslims.

Posted by: NSA at January 20, 2014 03:50 PM (Aif/5)

36 I have said it many times here.. Romney, as flawed as he was, was our last best hope to slow this socialist train down, and maybe even derail it.

That election was the turning point.. or maybe I should say the fail-safe point.. or whatever they call it when the plan has reached the point of no return.

We can't stop it now. Maybe a perfect "storm" of GOP wins this year along with a GOP win in 2016 for the White House might do something.. but it will be damn hard.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 20, 2014 03:50 PM (f9c2L)

37 In the first three months of this fiscal year, Oct-Dec, just servicing our debit cost $127,054,230,278.09.

Ponder this on the tree of woe.

Posted by: Thulsa Choom at January 20, 2014 03:50 PM (QupBk)

38 I saw it around the second debate.

There are two ways to win a tug of war. One is to keep pulling, with all hands on deck. But if you've got people on your side pretending to pull (Ryan) or pushing (McCain), then you reach the second strategy:

Let go of the rope.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 20, 2014 03:50 PM (Xfl0F)

39 We will soon be pillars of salt.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 03:50 PM (DmNpO)

40 One of the only promises kept - fundamentally change America.

Posted by: RWC at January 20, 2014 03:50 PM (Q6HBD)

41 We're coming for you, gringo!

Posted by: Mexigoths at January 20, 2014 03:50 PM (tv7DV)

42 And someone, anyone, tell me why he isn't correct.

When I get too depressed at how things are going, I try to recall that it wasn't always peaches and cream in the past. Wilson's and FDR's incipient fascism, the Civil War, and even the Revolutionary War, in which at least a third of the nation was allied against the country, were all really bad times and we came out of them. Sorry, that's the best I can do.

Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 03:50 PM (6TB1Z)

43 I know with trying to discuss the problems with some lefty leaning friends, when they are out of ammo and can't answer the questions, it becomes howler monkey time. They will screech about how it's the rethuglicans fault. They will not be changed. In there minds, nothing is Obamas fault. All will be okay. We just have to spend more of someone elses money.

Posted by: Bruce at January 20, 2014 03:51 PM (xvzKS)

44 Lot's of failure to go around. The GOP couldn't field a better candidate than Mitt. Mitt did not run a competent campaign and the inside info discussed in the York piece is depressing and the MSM, to the surprise of no one, failed to ever examine Obama's record.

I'm (only slightly) less pessimistic than Ace; I think there is still a chance for a turnaround if someone will actually articulate a conservative message in a believable manner. And stand up to the media rather than accepting their premises. If such a person runs and loses, I'll join AllenG.

Posted by: duke at January 20, 2014 03:51 PM (d3clc)

45 I'm ascairt.

And wondering how far-flung but likeminded individuals go about buying adjacent land in an obscure part of central Texas without attracting notice.


Posted by: Republic of Texas 2: Electric Boogaloo at January 20, 2014 03:51 PM (Gk2GE)

46 2008 depressed me.
2012 broke me.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 20, 2014 03:51 PM (GrtrJ)

47 Eh...I think the ship is sunk, but I'm basically most worried for kids in high school and earlier.

If right now you're in your mid-20's or in your 30's and you have a job that's set and are fairly solvent, I'm guessing you're going to be ok if you're smart about how you've saved and invested.

But if you're in a position to step on to the ground floor in about 5-10 years, well...you're fucked. And you can thank Obama, the Dems, and the quisling GOP that that thinks gradual conservative change means gradual socialism with a business-looking face.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 20, 2014 03:51 PM (Y5I9o)

48 Wizards 8th Rule: Deserve Victory. We haven't had a Republican in a long time that has felt like he deserved to win, and the party as a whole seems to reflect that given the almost apologetic way they caved to the Dems even when they were the majority.


The Dems, on the other hand, are completely convinced that they deserve to be in charge, which is why we have the government we deserve.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 03:51 PM (yh0zB)

49 As our major institutions moved left, the media, our schools, so did the country. We now consist of a country a where a majority of the citizens are idiots when it comes to the important issues of the day.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 20, 2014 03:51 PM (P1WNR)

50 I think we haven't been the same since the 60's, maybe even the 30's. It wasn't just Emmanuel who recognized that you never let a crisis go to waste, liberals have been doing this for decades. We have been on a long, slow decline ever since.

We've reached a tipping point, no doubt. And I don't think we are getting it back anytime soon if ever. And the only chance we have is to have a spectacular failure on a very public, very all encompassing liberal policy. Obamacare is our best hope.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 03:51 PM (g1DWB)

51 "Affirmative Action has consequences."

More to the point, letting the beneficiaries of Affirmative Action vote has consequences.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 20, 2014 03:52 PM (Xfl0F)

52 The links above (Allah's and York's) contain interesting stuff about
whether Romney ever really believed he could win the Presidency. For
example, he seemed resigned to the idea of losing his debates with
Obama, or hoping for, at best, ties.


As long as we keep letting the left and the media (BIRM) control the debates, that probably is the best we can hope for.

Or we could, you know, stop playing their game and start playing ours. Make them dance once in awhile. Sure, the media will cover for them and help them, but they'll do that anyway. Start leading instead of following. For as much as I think Romney is a good person and would have made a good President, he was the wrong candidate for this era. If he was worries about the debates, then don't have them, or at least insist on truly impartial moderators. They don't expect you to do that, so do it! What did you have to lose?

What bothered many conservatives about Romney, I think, is what bothers many of us about the GOP in general - we sensed a disturbing lack of spine. "Go along to get along" only works when you are dealing with reasonable opponents. The modern left is entirely unreasonable.

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 03:52 PM (BAEzE)

53 The people have spoken. And they must be punished.

Posted by: wooga at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (ttWj3)

54
real quick off topic: I know what LIB is, what did that dude mean by LOB?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (n0DEs)

55 s/worries/worried.

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (BAEzE)

56

Wah! It's not my fault I lost! It's your fault!

Posted by: The Guy Who Won the Nomination and Promptly Took a Six Week Vacation

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (kdS6q)

57 Here's what you do.

You win incrementally.

You take it back piece by piece.

At the same time you assume worse case scenario.

Hillary will be President.


How do you prepare for that?

You win every damn thing you can.

You do not hand her the Senate.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (RJMhd)

58 In the first three months of this fiscal year, Oct-Dec, just servicing our debit cost $127,054,230,278.09.

We're past the event horizon. The Federal government is doom. The nation will continue, but the form will change.

Posted by: toby928© at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (QupBk)

59 In 2008, and thereafter, a socialist could win the White House -- if he was the exact perfect socialist.


The Velvet Snuggie Revolution

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (lg3mB)

60 The tipping point wasn't reached because of Obama. Presidents and legislators of both parties have been content with running huge deficits for decades. Vast swaths of this country have always been just fine with unsustainable forms of socialism, just ask those dumbshits at AARP about fixing Social Security or Medicare.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 20, 2014 03:54 PM (+lsX1)

61 My friends, we have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House.

Posted by: John McCain at January 20, 2014 03:54 PM (vgIRn)

62 54
real quick off topic: I know what LIB is, what did that dude mean by LOB?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (n0DEs)

******

Line of Business

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 03:55 PM (RJMhd)

63 When I find myself in times of trouble
Mittens Romney comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom
Let it burn, let it burn.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 20, 2014 03:55 PM (E+uky)

64 Mitt Romney... one of us. One of us.

Gooba gabba, gooba gabba, one of us!

Posted by: Moron Nation at January 20, 2014 03:55 PM (BeSEI)

65 >>>I know what LIB is, what did that dude mean by LOB?

"Legion of Boom." It's the nickname for the Seattle Defense, which is very good and I guess pretty smashmouth.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 03:55 PM (/FnUH)

66 4 And that's why you assholes should've voted for TEH FRED!

I first told him he should run in 1996. He sent me a signed picture, not a headshot like the other doofuses, but a pic of him sitting in a red pick-up truck outside the Capitol (afetr he won Gore's old seat).

Liked him then, liked him in recent primaries, still like him now.

Posted by: akula51 at January 20, 2014 03:56 PM (+fNrM)

67 This post is a great argument for an Article V convention for the purpose of passing something like Levin's Liberty Amendments, which is still possible since the GOP controls so many states. If Romney is right, and America is moving so far left that shitstorms like ObamaCare are going to be the new normal right up until we crater the world economy, then it's the single most important thing we can aim to accomplish.

Posted by: MTF at January 20, 2014 03:56 PM (B5y+v)

68 Until the serious conservative money people resolve to socially and financially destroy people like Steve Schmidt and Nichole Wallace as examples, nothing will change.

Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 03:56 PM (u2a4R)

69
By the way, I was wondering... if the NSA people are so good at catching stuff, how did they miss Snowden?
Posted by: Mallfly at January 20, 2014 03:46 PM (bJm7W)


The same way they missed Flashbang and Speedbump, the Tsarenev brothers, Al-Walki, the Fort Hood shooter, etc. Posted by: rd at January 20, 2014 03:49 PM (D+lxs)


The NSA is like the crazy cat lady. They are collecting all that info, but are not, and can not analyze it real time. They will be like the police, and be able to draw really neat and precise chalk outlines around the body AFTER the next attack. We analyzed all the stored information and we discovered the 6 plotters were in the country and planning the attack for the last six months.
We also found 66 teaparty people were having affairs and black-mailed them into quitting the movement, and 4 Republicans that were in the closet.

Posted by: rd at January 20, 2014 03:56 PM (D+lxs)

70 Decide which side is Rome and which is Byzantium, while I pack my bags.

Is slouching involved?

Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 03:56 PM (6TB1Z)

71 Maybe Mitt should have played to win like he did in the first debate. I guess someone told him to back off because he made the black man look too bad.

Posted by: Havedash at January 20, 2014 03:56 PM (gvqyH)

72 Loaf of Bread

Posted by: . at January 20, 2014 03:56 PM (vgIRn)

73 30 I believe he thought that no matter how he did, it would be portrayed by the MSM as a loss.

Yep, just like Ryan's "loss" to Smokin' Joe Biden.

Posted by: akula51 at January 20, 2014 03:56 PM (+fNrM)

74 Are You Ready For Hillary!

Posted by: thunderb at January 20, 2014 03:56 PM (zOTsN)

75 In politics, we're Skip Bayless, the liberals are Richard Sherman.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 20, 2014 03:56 PM (P1WNR)

76 42
And someone, anyone, tell me why he isn't correct.

When I
get too depressed at how things are going, I try to recall that it
wasn't always peaches and cream in the past. Wilson's and FDR's
incipient fascism, the Civil War, and even the Revolutionary War, in
which at least a third of the nation was allied against the country,
were all really bad times and we came out of them. Sorry, that's the
best I can do.
=========
Those times had a majority of people who believed we should be free.

now, everyone just wants free stuff.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 20, 2014 03:57 PM (VjL9S)

77 >>>The Velvet Snuggie Flannel Onesie Revolution

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (lg3mB)<<<

Ahem. FIFY.

Posted by: Pajama Boy at January 20, 2014 03:57 PM (3bbd3)

78 I've said before that I don't think McCain really wanted to win in '08. I think that he sense that the power brokers in this country--as well as a large part of the electorate wanted Obama to win and Mc Cain would have rather lost than be the turd in the punch bowl. I'm starting to think that Romney thought he could win, but the softies that run the GOP really didn't want him to win because they knew the shit was going to hit the fan and didn't want to get the blame. This is where we are.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at January 20, 2014 03:57 PM (4EDHz)

79 "This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it."

Posted by: fred! at January 20, 2014 03:57 PM (iEoiA)

80 Romney lost 95% of the black vote, 80% of the Hispanic vote, 80% of the Jewish vote, 100% of the FSA vote and 99% of the fraudulent vote and still won 24 States.

That could have possibly been balanced by getting the Paulians to the polls for Romney but unfortunately we will not ever know for sure.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 03:57 PM (m2CN7)

81 Welp. I see things are not exactly improved since this morning.

This interesting times shit blows monkey chunks.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 20, 2014 03:58 PM (Gk3SS)

82 thanks, Ace.

And the post is how I felt after that election, just that it was lost, the nation that we thought we had.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2014 03:58 PM (n0DEs)

83
Thanks for cheering me the fuck up Ace.

Posted by: maddogg at January 20, 2014 03:58 PM (xWW96)

84 I'm beginning to think the wacky Canadian dude who thinks there are 80 species of aliens running amok throughout our society, sticking their little alien dicks into everything and fucking shit up is right.

Posted by: Fritz at January 20, 2014 03:58 PM (UzPAd)

85 Quick, we need a non-issue to fight over. STAT.

Posted by: akula51 at January 20, 2014 03:59 PM (+fNrM)

86 Something Very Very Bad™ to wake people up.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at January 20, 2014 03:59 PM (ecN6u)

87 48 Wizards 8th Rule: Deserve Victory. We haven't had a Republican in a long time that has felt like he deserved to win, and the party as a whole seems to reflect that given the almost apologetic way they caved to the Dems even when they were the majority.


The Dems, on the other hand, are completely convinced that they deserve to be in charge, which is why we have the government we deserve.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 03:51 PM (yh0zB)

---------------------------------------------

Exactly. The GOP goes with candidates because "it's their turn," rather than with someone that actually deserves to win.

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 03:59 PM (BAEzE)

88 Until the serious conservative money people resolve to socially and financially destroy people like Steve Schmidt and Nichole Wallace as examples, nothing will change.

I argue that there aren't any "serious conservative money people." The closest we get are the Kochs, and they're unwilling to possibly alienate 1/2 of their potential customers- which is what you'd have to be willing to do.

Do rich conservatives *want* more conservative government? Yes. Are any of them truly willing to sacrifice for it? I have not yet seen evidence of that.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 03:59 PM (PYAXX)

89 A most humble request?

This post would be improved immensely by the inclusion of TruCon Cat.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 20, 2014 03:59 PM (Gk3SS)

90 All this and George Michael is no longer in WHAM! Truly depressing

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 20, 2014 03:59 PM (32Ze2)

91 Feel the glory of necrosis and rejoice!

Posted by: Papa Nurgle at January 20, 2014 04:00 PM (WlWt+)

92 Romney lost 95% of the black vote, 80% of the Hispanic vote, 80% of the
Jewish vote, 100% of the FSA vote and 99% of the fraudulent vote and
still won 24 States.


I think the Obamapho lady switched before the election.

Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 04:00 PM (6TB1Z)

93 65 >>>I know what LIB is, what did that dude mean by LOB?

"Legion of Boom." It's the nickname for the Seattle Defense, which is very good and I guess pretty smashmouth.
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 03:55 PM (/FnUH)

**********

Damnit!

I thought you stopped watching football?

Line of Business--shoot me now.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:00 PM (RJMhd)

94 You can't win an election playing the Prevent D.

Posted by: John Gruden at January 20, 2014 04:00 PM (lg3mB)

95 I called an audible.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at January 20, 2014 04:01 PM (QupBk)

96 This post would be improved immensely by the inclusion of TruCon Cat.
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And boobs.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 20, 2014 04:01 PM (E+uky)

97 This interesting times shit blows monkey chunks.


Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 20, 2014 03:58 PM (Gk3SS)\

Indeed it does. But think of it this way...we are one step closer to the hostile takeover and implementation of Alextopia...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 04:01 PM (yh0zB)

98
In the words of King George "Just give it away. There ain't nothin' in this house worth fightin' over. And we're both tired of fightin' anyway ..."

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 20, 2014 04:01 PM (JbNtM)

99 Quick, we need a non-issue to fight over. STAT.

Posted by: akula51 at January 20, 2014 03:59 PM (+fNrM)



We could always go back to fighting over hardwood vs. shag carpeting.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 20, 2014 04:02 PM (Gk3SS)

100 I know that this makes me sound like an old crank, but at some point "we" stopped learning how to think for ourselves. Somewhere, after years of absorbing leftist propaganda via the media and public education, we lost our individuality, our innate thirst for risk taking and freedom, and our BALLS.

I cannot believe how lazy, immoral, uncouth, shallow and downright nasty we've become as a nation.

Posted by: Warden at January 20, 2014 04:02 PM (HzhBE)

101 The GOP goes with candidates because "it's their turn," rather than with someone that actually deserves to win.

This is one of the stupidest, most brain-dead memes in all the internetz. Romney just walked into the nom, right? No effort needed to win.

Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 04:02 PM (6TB1Z)

102 Throw rugs.

Posted by: Merk at January 20, 2014 04:02 PM (R6JT1)

103 41 -

Mexigoths?

Sorry, I know what you're going for there, but the name just sounds like a bunch of brown people, wearing black clothes and eyeliner, smoking weed.

Frankly, I'm not that scared.

Posted by: Moron Nation at January 20, 2014 04:03 PM (BeSEI)

104 Its ridiculous to think that Romney was not in it to win it. That would be contrary to everything about him and his previous pursuits.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:03 PM (m2CN7)

105 >>>This post would be improved immensely by the inclusion of TruCon Cat.<<<

Seconded.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at January 20, 2014 04:03 PM (P/gm7)

106 real quick off topic: I know what LIB is, what did that dude mean by LOB? Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (n0DEs)

******

Line of Business
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 03:55 PM (RJMhd)


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Oh. I thought it was, Let Others Burn. I'm all for that.

Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 04:03 PM (ycijm)

107 Its ridiculous to think that Romney was not in it to win it. That would be contrary to everything about him and his previous pursuits.

*****

I agree.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:03 PM (DmNpO)

108 You do not hand her the Senate.
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (RJMhd)
With IL, OH, FL, PA, WI, IA seats up in 2016, the Rs need a solid win in the senate this year to have a prayer of holding it in 2016.

Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 04:03 PM (8arH0)

109 99 We could always go back to fighting over hardwood vs. shag carpeting.

Grooming one's partner can be an intensely fulfilling experience, or so I've been told.

Posted by: akula51 at January 20, 2014 04:04 PM (+fNrM)

110 We could always go back to fighting over hardwood vs. shag carpeting.


Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 20, 2014 04:02 PM (Gk3SS)



Short shag. Easier to clean like hardwoods yet soft and warm like deep shag.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 04:04 PM (yh0zB)

111 >>>This post would be improved immensely by the inclusion of TruCon Cat.

Seconded.


The motion has been made and seconded.

Ayes?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:04 PM (PYAXX)

112 94 You can't win an election playing the Prevent D.

Posted by: John Gruden at January 20, 2014 04:00 PM (lg3mB)

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Now THIS guy! THIS GUY knows how to win elections.

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 04:04 PM (BAEzE)

113 We've got one half of the political spectrum who view governance as a rightful avenue to looting a pocket-lining, and who represent destroying standards of ethics and behavior in pursuit of that. Rome had barbarians at the gate-- ours are 50% (and growing) of our social and political value system.

Posted by: --- at January 20, 2014 04:04 PM (MMC8r)

114 106 real quick off topic: I know what LIB is, what did that dude mean by LOB? Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (n0DEs)

******

Line of Business
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 03:55 PM (RJMhd)


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Oh. I thought it was, Let Others Burn. I'm all for that.
Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 04:03 PM (ycijm)

*********

I was off--


Ace's Legion of Boom makes more sense.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:04 PM (RJMhd)

115 If Romney was just in it to flush some cash, they wouldn't have cancelled the consultants' credit cards on the night of the loss...heh.

Posted by: akula51 at January 20, 2014 04:04 PM (+fNrM)

116 Aye.

Posted by: toby928© at January 20, 2014 04:04 PM (QupBk)

117 ...and sadly, it's going to get even worse....and my wife wonders why I drink.

Cheers!

Posted by: Whiskey_Joe at January 20, 2014 04:05 PM (pb1ij)

118 You can't win an election playing the Prevent D.


Sad thing is, the opposing team doesn't even put a defense on the field.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 20, 2014 04:05 PM (hpVGZ)

119 "The links above (Allah's and York's) contain interesting stuff about
whether Romney ever really believed he could win the Presidency. For
example, he seemed resigned to the idea of losing his debates with
Obama, or hoping for, at best, ties."

As I noted during the campaign, Newt Gingrich had an entire American Tourister store full of baggage, but he would have FOUGHT.

And would not have let go unremarked, as Romney did, liberal debate "moderators" shedding all pretense of objectivity and stepping in to make the later debates into two-on-one beatdowns.

Tired of these pleasantly mannered gentleman losers. I want a pushy dickhead street fighter for a change. Probably still won't win but will derive far more satisfaction from losing.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 20, 2014 04:05 PM (gqT4g)

120 LOB?


Lots of Booze.




Seems like as good a strategy as any.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 20, 2014 04:05 PM (g4TxM)

121 Look at the 2012 ticket: Romney and Ryan - technocrats. For a contest that big you don't want technocrats, you want fire and passion. You want someone who will use a blowtorch in the enemy (call them what they are).

Why do we like action movies? Because they are full of passion and fire, metaphorical and literal.

And no, Christie will not do in 2016.

Posted by: Decaf at January 20, 2014 04:05 PM (mfXhH)

122 Something Very Very Bad™ to wake people up.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at January 20, 2014 03:59 PM (ecN6u)

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Not sure that even would do it.
911 sure as hell didnt. Oh... it made a little noise all right, just like when you bump a turntable and get that screeeching noise for a half second.... but then the record keeps on playing like nothing ever happened.
To have the effect you want..... somebodies gonna hafta smash all the hi-fi equipment and break all the vinyl.
Hi-fi..... vinyl.... yeah..... its old..... and git off my lawn.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 04:05 PM (nELVU)

123 Short shag. Easier to clean like hardwoods yet soft and warm like deep shag.


Still get rug burns. Hardwood. Polished.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 04:05 PM (uVkIH)

124 Assuming Rubio, Portman and Grassley stay put that means Rs need to have a 54 seat majority after the races this year- a 9 seat pickup.

Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 04:05 PM (8arH0)

125
No quit from this end.

We here in Upstate NY ARE making an incremental difference at a basic level.

Hard going, certainly, you have to fight the entrenched good old boy establishment but it is happening. By incremental, I mean on the dog catcher level. Right on up through the school board and town councils.

Not likely to live long enough to see it come to fruition--this shit didn't occur an just a few years.

Consider it to be our version of the long march through the institutions, with one major advantage--the instantaneous communication available.

What is a good idea in Modesto can be implemented in Albany with some simple keystrokes. But it will NOT happen if all we do is moan.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 20, 2014 04:05 PM (SAMxH)

126 ome had barbarians at the gate-- ours are 50% (and growing) of our social and political value system.

Nah, the difference is that the Romans pretty much invited the barbarians who would sack them into the country, while we...um...never mind.

Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 04:06 PM (6TB1Z)

127 108 You do not hand her the Senate.
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (RJMhd)
With IL, OH, FL, PA, WI, IA seats up in 2016, the Rs need a solid win in the senate this year to have a prayer of holding it in 2016.
Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 04:03 PM (8arH0)


*********

North Dakota?

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:06 PM (RJMhd)

128 I could always post some Americana trivia.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:06 PM (m2CN7)

129
....still won 24 States.
Posted by: polynikes




Won two more states than Mccain with a net 33 EV gain, and used a billion dollars to do it.

All hail the conquer of Indiana!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2014 04:06 PM (kdS6q)

130 In unrelated news of decline, the GOP amnesty surrender caucus keeps advancing.

Hmmm ... I wonder what way the 11M proudly socialist illegal immigrants will vote?

No doubt they will all become Cato and Reason subscribers.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 04:06 PM (ZPrif)

131 I went back and read the 2012 Election Day comments threads. One thing that stands out was the disdain and sense of betrayal after the New Jersey's Gastropod's one-man show.

I can't find my Election 2012 prediction, but lets say I was a bit off. Not as far off as ORCA, but still a bit off.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 20, 2014 04:06 PM (Ec6wH)

132 >>You can't win an election playing the Prevent D.

How do you walk into the NAACP and announce that you are going to get rid of Obamacare, announce in Florida that you are going to reform entitlements, announce to the entire world over and over and over again that you are not going to entertain amnesty and that the solution for illegals is for them to go home, say repeatedly that you are going to cut the size of government and harshly condemn Obama's foreign policy failures and get accused of playing prevent D? Christ, he had to debate not just Obama but the mediators and they both flat out lied and nobody called them on it. How is that Romney's fault? Should he have just whipped out his shlong during the debates and dick slapped Obama?

It's pretty well established that both Allah and Byron York never liked Romney and spent as much time trashing him during the election as they did Obama.

I think I'll wait a few days for the movie to come out to judge for myself whether or not Romney didn't want to win.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 04:06 PM (g1DWB)

133 I'm (only slightly) less pessimistic than Ace; I think there is still a
chance for a turnaround if someone will actually articulate a
conservative message in a believable manner.


Ah, the old "It's just messaging problem" excuse.

Sorry, but no. Government growing larger and more powerful is a matter of evolution- at least until it collapses. It's the way of the world, and all we can do is stem the tide until the inevitable collapse.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 20, 2014 04:07 PM (SY2Kh)

134 Republicans will never occupy the White House again because over 52% of voters are greedy and want to maintain what they have or are getting. They will never support anyone who threatens that. A lot of them know we are on the wrong path but will still vote D till the end.

Posted by: Whig at January 20, 2014 04:07 PM (i7KmQ)

135 Full on 70s shag! Yeah, baby, YEAH!

Posted by: Havedash at January 20, 2014 04:07 PM (gvqyH)

136 I can't find my Election 2012 prediction, but lets say I was a bit off. Not as far off as ORCA, but still a bit off.

I'm still somewhat in the "Nate Silver knew the numbers before Election Day" camp.

Posted by: akula51 at January 20, 2014 04:08 PM (+fNrM)

137 Not sure that even would do it.
911 sure as hell didnt. Oh... it made a little noise all right, just like when you bump a turntable and get that screeeching noise for a half second.... but then the record keeps on playing like nothing ever happened.
To have the effect you want....


....EBT cards will have to be turned off.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 04:08 PM (uVkIH)

138 Won two more states than Mccain with a net 33 EV gain, and used a billion dollars to do it.

All hail the conquer of Indiana!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2014 04:06 PM (kdS6q)

Team Romney thought it wise to invest more money in Clark County NV- a county in a state with 6 electoral votes- than in the entire state of Pennsylvania, a state with over 3x that.

He lost NV by a wider margin than he lost PA.

Smart team.

Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 04:08 PM (8arH0)

139 101 -

And when they give the nomination to Christie or Jeb in '16, it'll be because... what? They out-hustled the competition?

The Republican Party almost always gives their nomination to the frontrunner. It's what they do. It's not a question of whether Romney did or didn't put forth effort. It's about the money men of the establishment, and the state parties that set the agendas for their primaries and caucuses.

That, and the fact that Republican voters tend to behave conservatively (as opposed to having a conservative political philosophy).

Hence, frontrunners win.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 04:08 PM (BeSEI)

140

There was a time when you could find someone, somewhere, who would say it is going to be alright, and give you the reasons why.

Now, there's no one. People you look up to and aspire to are saying the same thing.

And, you see those that are fighting really hard against this wave aging and withering before our eyes.

Something's gotta give. There is too many of us who see it. There are vice grips on the nation - as Breitbart new so well, like the media, that have to be destroyed from within.

Trojan horses. I see no other way in/out of this.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 04:08 PM (IXrOn)

141 "And the truly terrifying part is: What's next? Will I be in a burka in ten years? Speaking Russian?"

Speaking Russian is not as dire as a burka. Russians can be toppled and have been but Islam is like that disembodied hand in Terminator.

Posted by: Decaf at January 20, 2014 04:08 PM (mfXhH)

142 Shag is awesome on some ladies but it can go oh so horribly wrong.

Posted by: eleven at January 20, 2014 04:09 PM (KXm42)

143
I can tell you what has changed - the computerization of voting.

It take a certain naivete to believe the NSA wouldn't be hacking that.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 20, 2014 04:09 PM (ZkzmI)

144 107 Its ridiculous to think that Romney was not in it to win it. That would be contrary to everything about him and his previous pursuits.

*****

I agree.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:03 PM (DmNpO)
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Not so much that he wasn't in it to win it, but that he (or those around him, more likely) knew what it would take to win and were afraid to do it. The media cowed them into defending instead of attacking, lest they be accused of "racism" for attacking a (half) black President.

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 04:09 PM (BAEzE)

145 With proper vetting, Obama would have been the worst Presidential Candidate in history instead of the best.

Posted by: dirks strewn at January 20, 2014 04:09 PM (QmTtF)

146 Sad thing is, the opposing team doesn't even /need to/ put a defense on the field.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 20, 2014 04:05 PM (hpVGZ)



because "our" side doesn't bother to mount an offensive...of course, when we have the ball we just hand it back cause high moral ground or some stupid shit like that...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 04:09 PM (yh0zB)

147 94 You can't win an election playing the Prevent D.

Posted by: John Gruden at January 20, 2014 04:00 PM (lg3mB)


Especially when you're down in the polls and won't admit it. More than anything else, that was Romney's problem (yes, I know there were a lot of other ones).

Given Stuart Stevens's and a lot of other people's faulty reading of the polls, they campaigned as though they were slightly ahead and not behind and in need of going on the offensive.

Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 04:10 PM (yC+hP)

148 Yeah, pretty much every other rich country has gone down the path we are going down.

America was the exception. Operative word being - was.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 04:10 PM (ZPrif)

149 The problem with the hardwood look is it renders the phrase, 'I would (love to, so,...) burn the fur off of that', meaningless.

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 04:10 PM (lg3mB)

150 ...EBT cards will have to be turned off.

At which point "Let" will have nothing to do with it- you wouldn't be able to prevent it from burning no matter how you tried.

I've been thinking about this a lot (for the new book I'm writing), and it wouldn't take too much to start the bonfire roaring.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:10 PM (PYAXX)

151 I think I'll wait a few days for the movie to come out to judge for myself whether or not Romney didn't want to win.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 04:06 PM (g1DWB)

Like I pointed out previously, York contradicts himself by pointing out that Romney didn't think about a concession speech indicating he thought he had a good chance of winning and assuming Romney didn't want to win because his pessimism about the debates.

Make up your mind York.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:10 PM (m2CN7)

152 In the end, math always wins. The dollar is doomed. Our debts cannot be repaid. Repudiation, de facto, via inflation, or de jure, is inevitable.

Just hope the New Dollar has Reagan's picture on it, and not Barry's.

Posted by: toby928© at January 20, 2014 04:10 PM (QupBk)

153 Romney is a good man. He loves God, his family, his friends and his church:

Romans: 8:24-28

The Spirit too helps us in our weakness.

For in hope we were saved. Now hope that sees for itself is not hope. For who hopes for what one sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait with endurance.

In the same way, the Spirit too comes to the aid of our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but the Spirit itself intercedes with inexpressible groanings. And the one who searches hearts knows what is the intention of the Spirit, because it intercedes for the holy ones according to God's will.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 20, 2014 04:10 PM (7kkQJ)

154 17 Now we know what the Romans felt like in 400 A.D.
Posted by: rd at January 20, 2014 03:46 PM (D+lxs)

I don't think it's 400 a.d. -- I think it's 50 b.c. We aren't about to get barbarians, we're about to get the civil wars and an emperor, who will extend the empire because he brings peace, bread, and circuses. The man on the horse is coming, and he will be neither right nor left, but some form of imperial-corporatist. And then the Republic will remain only in form.

Posted by: joncelli at January 20, 2014 04:11 PM (/AYWV)

155 Should he have just whipped out his shlong during the debates and dick slapped Obama?


I was taught that in Maine that is the proper greeting.

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 04:11 PM (lg3mB)

156 Not so much that he wasn't in it to win it, but that he (or those around him, more likely) knew what it would take to win and were afraid to do it. The media cowed them into defending instead of attacking, lest they be accused of "racism" for attacking a (half) black President.
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 04:09 PM (BAEzE)

Romney didn't attack Obama? News to me.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:12 PM (m2CN7)

157 No, Repubs will win the White House again.
They just will do it espousing more left-wing policies.

The Tories can win in England -- by promising to be better managers of the socialized medical system and welfare state than the socialists were.

Repubs will win by promising to be better at socialism than Democrats are.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 04:12 PM (ZPrif)

158 I'm more optimistic. I think things have changed but Obama was somewhat of an aberration. And Romney and McCain were deeply flawed candidates. Both at a time when the GOP pool of potential candidates was quite shallow. But I am encouraged by the tea party shift in the house and the beachhead established in the senate as a way of reversing the tide. Having control of the presidency for the better part of 50 years didn't slow down the growth of liberalism. I'm starting to think the real power to change direction must be in the house and in the states. That's what made 2010 so important. The gains will not come quickly. But hopefully they will come and at some point align themselves at the right moment to have a conservative tipping point like the liberals did in 2008. The good news was there tipping point was immediately met with resistance. If conservatives are right and I think we are, the liberal view of progressive govt is not sustainable. We are looking at a dark period but light will be restored.

Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 04:12 PM (VyRoX)

159 The Republican Party almost always gives their nomination to the
frontrunner. It's what they do. It's not a question of whether Romney
did or didn't put forth effort. It's about the money men of the
establishment, and the state parties that set the agendas for their
primaries and caucuses.


The comment said that the nom was Romney's, because evil, conspiratorial party bosses. If that was the case, why did he have to work so hard to win it?
The sore losers in the nominating contest will never acknowledge that he won because he was the best candidate. Not a perfect one, but the best.

Ah, but the old "stab in the back" is just so much more satisfying, right?

Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 04:12 PM (6TB1Z)

160 I've been thinking about this a lot (for the new book I'm writing), and it wouldn't take too much to start the bonfire roaring.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:10 PM (PYAXX)

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Have you peeked at any of Matt Bracken's writing???

Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 04:13 PM (nELVU)

161 138 Won two more states than Mccain with a net 33 EV gain, and used a billion dollars to do it.

All hail the conquer of Indiana!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2014 04:06 PM (kdS6q)

Team Romney thought it wise to invest more money in Clark County NV- a county in a state with 6 electoral votes- than in the entire state of Pennsylvania, a state with over 3x that.

He lost NV by a wider margin than he lost PA.

Smart team.
Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 04:08 PM (8arH0)

*********

What was really shocking I think was the over-confidence in Florida.

Florida is going to be pivotal in any future Presidential race.

Republicans cannot win the Presidency without it.

Something was really screwy with their internal polling on Florida.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:13 PM (RJMhd)

162
All things being equal ... the edge goes to the dirtier fighter. When things ain't equal, best be prepared to either go for the eyes or take an ass whippin'.

Instead, the GOP shirks from anything resembling a street fight.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 20, 2014 04:13 PM (JbNtM)

163 Posted by: joncelli at January 20, 2014 04:11 PM (/AYWV)

And then he'll dissolve the Imperial Senate, and let the planetary State Governors keep the systems Territories in line...

And, yes, I'm being snarky with the quote, but that's pretty well what it looks like will happen. Sans death-start (fortunately) and x-wings (unfortunately).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:13 PM (PYAXX)

164 WHAT ABOUT HIS GAAAAAFES?!

...AND THE PALESTINIANS!

WHAT OF THE PLAESTINIAAANS!?

Posted by: 2012 Memes at January 20, 2014 04:14 PM (lg3mB)

165 Not so much that he wasn't in it to win it, but that he (or those around him, more likely) knew what it would take to win and were afraid to do it. The media cowed them into defending instead of attacking, lest they be accused of "racism" for attacking a (half) black President.


*****

He wasn't as aggressive in the debates or in his advertising as he should have been... perhaps. On the other hand, I refer to Jack Straw's comment above.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:14 PM (DmNpO)

166 EBT cards will have to be turned off.

At which point "Let" will have nothing to do with it- you wouldn't be able to prevent it from burning no matter how you tried.

I've been thinking about this a lot (for the new book I'm writing), and it wouldn't take too much to start the bonfire roaring.


As soon as Mr. Maths requires more in debt servicing that what is left after taxes are collected. And moar & faster than printing presses can crank out.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 04:14 PM (uVkIH)

167 >>because "our" side doesn't bother to mount an offensive...of course, when we have the ball we just hand it back cause high moral ground or some stupid shit like that...

Our side mounts plenty of offensives. Unfortunately, the msm is totally in the tank for the left. This isn't a conspiracy theory its an obvious fact.

Look at the coverage the "scandal" of closing a lane on a bridge in NJ is getting compared to the IRS, Benghazi, F&F, etc.. They didn't just cover them up, they actively worked to promote the liberal agenda that these are all phony scandals.

The idea that some True Conservative like Palin is going to break through that because she is so principled or something is fantasy. They will destroy her or anyone else who challenges the liberal orthodoxy just like they did Romney. We aren't living in the days of Reagan, this is a brave new world.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 04:14 PM (g1DWB)

168 Make up your mind York.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:10 PM (m2CN7)

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yeah.... I remember thinking that even Obama thought he'd lost it.... lackluster debate, his body language..... hell ..... he took election day off TO SHOOT FRICKEN HOOPS!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 04:15 PM (nELVU)

169 147 -

Yep. I think a lot of us assumed Romney was ahead because they were BEHAVING as if they were ahead.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 04:15 PM (BeSEI)

170 Have you peeked at any of Matt Bracken's writing???
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 04:13 PM (nELVU)


Haven't heard of him.

Are you recommending?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:15 PM (PYAXX)

171 This post pretty well incapsulates my feeling of November 6, 2012. The tipping point has been reached as far as ALL of the nation is concerned.

There's still areas and regions of freedom-minded people in this country. We just have to have the courage to do what we know needs to be done to remain free.

One of these days, and I hope it's soon, "secession" won't besuch a dirty word anymore.

Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 04:15 PM (ycijm)

172 I believe we HAVE lost. It's not a question should an uninformed, uneducated DUMBASS vote, but how can we make it easier for them to do so.

That's my explanation for all the uninformed, uneducated Congressmen we have.

Posted by: I'm the honey Badger, BITCH! at January 20, 2014 04:15 PM (+7Usq)

173 Something was really screwy with their internal polling on Florida.
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:13 PM (RJMhd)

Yeah, I guess they should have questioned their polling regard to a state that just elected a Tea Party Senator and a Republican Governor and a firebrand and popular Republican rep, Col West.

Something did stink in Florida and it wasn't Romney's internal polling.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:16 PM (m2CN7)

174 Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 04:08 PM (8arH0)

OT - Are you any relation to Mike and Candy Finnigan in LA?

Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 04:16 PM (u2a4R)

175 What was really shocking I think was the over-confidence in Florida.

Florida is going to be pivotal in any future Presidential race.

Republicans cannot win the Presidency without it.

Something was really screwy with their internal polling on Florida.
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:13 PM (RJMhd)

If we had JUST won OHFLAPA, that would have been enough. The fuck with this wasting tens of millions on small states to piece together a narrow win. IT. DOESN'T. WORK.

Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 04:16 PM (8arH0)

176 The Tories can win in England -- by promising to be better managers of
the socialized medical system and welfare state than the socialists
were.



Repubs will win by promising to be better at socialism than Democrats are.


If so, then an American UKIP will rise. Or perhaps a Golden Dawn. That's the dilemma.

Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 04:16 PM (6TB1Z)

177 I've been thinking about this a lot (for the new book I'm writing), and it wouldn't take too much to start the bonfire roaring.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:10 PM (PYAXX)


Matt Bracken has covered it pretty well, too.


We are looking at a dark period but light will be restored.

Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 04:12 PM (VyRoX)



The tea party is the bright spot, but predictably "our" side sees them as a bigger threat than their supposed opponents. If this changes you will be right. I pray that it is so. Meanwhile I do what I can, hope for the best and plan for the worst.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 04:17 PM (yh0zB)

178 OT - Are you any relation to Mike and Candy Finnigan in LA?
Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 04:16 PM (u2a4R)
Who?

Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 04:17 PM (8arH0)

179 MITT ROMNEY is...

MITT ROMNEY in...

THE ORCA DECRAPITUDE, or,

RAIDERS OF THE LOST ORCA

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 20, 2014 04:17 PM (Ec6wH)

180 "Assuming Rubio, Portman and Grassley stay put that means Rs need to have a 54 seat majority after the races this year- a 9 seat pickup."


So we can still get Amnesty, more spending, keep Obamacare, and liberal judges.


Why, I'm positively giddy about a GOP majority.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 20, 2014 04:17 PM (hpVGZ)

181 Romney was afraid of Obama and thought he was was a good debater. After Romney trounced Obama in the first debate and saw himself running ten points ahead of Obama, he STILL nursed his fear and then lost. He bought the narrative rather than using his own brain.

This tells me that he wasn't fit to be president. He ignored the prima facia evidence that Obama was a lousy debater and instead stuck with his idée fixe. Thus Romney's views on the country are just as suspect as his views on Obama. Romney can't think clearly.

Every pollster says the 2014 elections are shaping up to be a red wave. Would that be happening if we were now a socialist nation?

Also, all the exit polls in 2012 showed that people voted AGAINST Romney, not for Obama. Voters thought Romney was a "vulture capitalist." His "47 percent" comment sank him. Obama was the first president to be elected with fewer votes than he got the first time around. Romney followed the brilliant Rovian advice of never defending himself.

If Karl Rove were a Democratic agent, what would he do differently?

The worst of Obama hadn't been revealed in 2012, and people thought--in their stupid, uninformed, herd-instinct way--that Romney would be even worse. So they went with the devil they knew. And Obama's race protected him, as it always has.

Obama IS an aberration. He's The First Black President. You should be marveling in gratitude that despite his race and despite the near-total ban on reporting anything negative about him, he's still underwater in terms of his approval.

And every time people write off the US, we change and surprise them.

"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."

--Mark Twain.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at January 20, 2014 04:17 PM (+rdD2)

182 Romney lost 5 states, each by approximately 100K votes. One hell of a coincidence that he lost just the right states, and just by a bare margin.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 20, 2014 04:18 PM (ZkzmI)

183 Its ridiculous to think that Romney was not in it to win it. That would be contrary to everything about him and his previous pursuits.

Agree 100%.

He wouldn't have invested that of personal fortune and his family's abuse if he didn't think he could win.

I guarantee you he was flabbergasted that he lost. I cannot imagine the immediate depression of the loss. It was a surreal loss. Just as it is a surreal nation, right now.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 04:18 PM (IXrOn)

184 Its ridiculous to think that Romney was not in it to win it. That would be contrary to everything about him and his previous pursuits.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:03 PM (m2CN7)


After reading the article, I think Mitt's pessimism was more about a feeling that his best efforts weren't going to be enough against the IRS, the FSA, his own shitty data operation, etc.

Mitt didn't get where he was by being a dummy

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 20, 2014 04:18 PM (pginn)

185 Are you recommending?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:15 PM (PYAXX)

-----
Yes..... very. Google up "What I saw on the way to the coup" and "When the music stops"
That should spark your creative juices a bit..... excellent reads. It also just may just scare the holy shit out of you too....

Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 04:18 PM (nELVU)

186 Long time lurker here, and are you guys kidding me!

This is the best position we've been in for years. Obama's poll numbers are cratering, Democrats are running scared from their own doing. Good God, they've been desperately going through the Heritage Foundation's garbage for 15 year-old memos to try and pin Obamacare on the GOP. And Obamacare, that is pretty much the only bit of Obama's first term that made it out the womb. Card Check, Carbon Trading, all of those other left wing hopes and dreams went down in flames with Democratic control of both chambers of Congress. We beat them without any real power for God's sake. Within the GOP itself, we have the Chamber of Commerce putting 50 million dollars into Amnesty. That sounds bad, but the fact they feel the need to do anything at all means we are winning. It used to be they just made a few long distance phone calls at the worst. Now they have to spend large sums of money to do what used to be institutional privilege.

Tl; Dr Things are looking up for a change, so I don't get the defeatism. Obama's reelection is turning out to be a pyrrhic victory for the Left. This is not the second coming of Valley Forge people. 2012 may not have been Obama's Waterloo, but it was his Guilford Courthouse. We may not take his scalp, but we can make the Left wish they had never stood by his side.


Posted by: Captain_Cookie at January 20, 2014 04:18 PM (qJPSp)

187 We passed the Point of No Return when George W. Bush passed the Patriot Act that legitimized the surveillance apparatus that had until then was being built only in secret, and then gave $700 billion to the bankers.

These acts legitimized behavior that the filthy socialists would later expand upon. Power that you give to government is eventually inherited by your worst enemy. It attracts shit-heel assholes like flies to shit.

We are well and truly boned, and I suggest everyone plan accordingly.

Posted by: Phinn at January 20, 2014 04:18 PM (xE7Vp)

188 Florida is going to be pivotal in any future Presidential race.

Republicans cannot win the Presidency without it.


***

terrific. No pressure there.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:19 PM (DmNpO)

189 Who?

Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 04:17 PM (8arH0)

Is that the same last name? Finnigan?

Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 04:19 PM (u2a4R)

190 175 What was really shocking I think was the over-confidence in Florida.

Florida is going to be pivotal in any future Presidential race.

Republicans cannot win the Presidency without it.

Something was really screwy with their internal polling on Florida.
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:13 PM (RJMhd)

If we had JUST won OHFLAPA, that would have been enough. The fuck with this wasting tens of millions on small states to piece together a narrow win. IT. DOESN'T. WORK.
Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 04:16 PM (8arH0)

*********


Are you planning a Senate race post...


please?

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:19 PM (RJMhd)

191 First the criticism was that Romney wanted the Presidency too much, for too long. Now it's that he never wanted it at all. Kind of like how he automatically became the "Establishment" despite being by far the least DC- connected and most private sector oriented of all the candidates There are a lot of reasons he lost, from the MSM hackjobs to the "Secesh forever!" crowd that ruled him out based on geography. I'd give quite a bit to have him President today.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2014 04:20 PM (ZshNr)

192 Posted by: Captain_Cookie at January 20, 2014 04:18 PM (qJPSp)

***

You should delurk more often.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:20 PM (DmNpO)

193 188 Florida is going to be pivotal in any future Presidential race.

Republicans cannot win the Presidency without it.


***

terrific. No pressure there.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:19 PM (DmNpO)


********

I'm pretty Pollyanna-ish--just read upthread and I don't see how Republicans can win without Florida.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:20 PM (RJMhd)

194 Haven't heard of him.



Are you recommending?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:15 PM (PYAXX)


Yes. Here's a taste.


http://tinyurl.com/9cr8rx6

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 04:20 PM (yh0zB)

195 If so, then an American UKIP will rise. Or perhaps a Golden Dawn. That's the dilemma.


Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 04:16 PM (6TB1Z)

You don't want a Golden Dawn Party

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 20, 2014 04:21 PM (WdbF7)

196 159 -

Oh, I think that's highly debatable. That Romney was the best candidate.

I guess it depends out how you define it, but Romney didn't have the best track record. That would essentially have been Perry. Romney wasn't the best off-the-cuff debater, that would be Newt by a mile. He wasn't the most likeable, or have the best platform, or...

A flawed system tossed up a flawed candidate who couldn't beat a terrible Democrat candidate.

All things considered, I would have liked to have seen what Newt could have done in the general.

He might have been a bad President, but heck, obviously not worse than what we have now.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 04:21 PM (BeSEI)

197 101 The GOP goes with candidates because "it's their turn," rather than with someone that actually deserves to win.

This
is one of the stupidest, most brain-dead memes in all the internetz.
Romney just walked into the nom, right? No effort needed to win.

----------------------------------

Of course he needed to put in some effort, but we have seen this kind of thing unfold in GOP campaigns before. Bob Dole. John McCain. Now Romney.

That's not to say that they had nothing to offer or were terrible candidates - they weren't. But neither were they anything to get excited about. The average voter (and our voters are very average) sees a bunch of career politicians, the usual Washington insiders.

Perhaps it's just that the GOP left us (conservatives) behind long ago, and we still cling to the hope that they'll come back. I guess the average GOP voter wants guys like McCain, Romney, etc.

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 04:21 PM (BAEzE)

198 What I am not seeing from conservatives and libertarians is any real, concerted effort to educate the public. We piss and moan about LIV's but what are we doing to make them better informed? The mainstream media is one big infomercial for progressivism. Why are we not buying access to their audience and at least attempting to counteract the garbage being forced down their throats?

The Heritage Foundation has their Constitution Minute thingy that they air on talk radio, but that's preaching to the choir. Why not a 30 second spot mocking some aspect of big government during a show like The Bachelor? We don't have the luxury of free airtime like the progs do. Buying access is still permitted, so why are we not doing that? I really don't understand the focus on the governmental process to the exclusion of shaping culture.

It really is doable though. Look at the violent swing in opinion on gay marriage in Utah that was highlighted at Hot Air recently. With a serious effort, we could make a 4-5% dent in prog numbers, which buys us time.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 04:21 PM (346rt)

199 If it make you feel any better, Romney was probably the only guy who could have pulled us out of the economic death spiral.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 20, 2014 04:21 PM (ZkzmI)

200 You should delurk more often.





Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:20 PM (DmNpO)

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Agreed. Welcome aboard.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 04:22 PM (nELVU)

201 Does Obama have some red, Rick James aura that only those on stage can see? How the fuck does someone come to the conclusion that he's a good debater?

I think that's why Obama got rid of the Churchill bust. An inanimate object could out-debate Captain Affirmative Action.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 20, 2014 04:22 PM (Ec6wH)

202 Wow. I really agree with the Adhesive up there!

Most people seemed to just think that Obama was okay enough to deserve a second term. That's thanks to the MSM support he endlessly gets.

And here in PA (and in OH), Mitt was getting absolutely CRUSHED with "Mr Big Hates the Working Poor" ads for a very long time - completely unanswered. Lots of Rs up here just didn't vote either way, and some shamefully went D in fear of their Medicare or Unemployment or SSDI or whatever crumbs they were getting.

I am not prognosticating. I don't think we need a formal secession, I don't see that happening. What seems more likely to me is a collapse of the federal government, and reversion to a union of states. In which case you need to think more about your state, and those in proximity to you. In my case, I think I need to move . . .

Posted by: Black Orchid at January 20, 2014 04:22 PM (EZNxq)

203 Tl; Dr Things are looking up for a change,

I disagree.

Until & unless Congress decides to defend it's "Coequal branch" status, none of the rest of that matters. TFG has already admitted that the next 3 years will be an Imperial Presidency.

What that does is gives the MFM lots of ways to vilify *him* while avoiding making any negative comments about whoever the next Dem nom is (and I'm guessing Hillary at this point- but who knows?).

Further, we still have both Democrats and Republicans who want Amnesty. If their wishes come to fruition, we're truly doomed- hello permanent Democrat majorities. Hello, for that matter, Blue Texas.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:23 PM (PYAXX)

204 I'm pretty Pollyanna-ish--just read upthread and I don't see how Republicans can win without Florida.


***

Then I guess I'll have to work harder in 2016. Maybe take a page out of the Dem playbook and bus in workers from nearby states.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:23 PM (DmNpO)

205 Things are looking up for a change, so I don't get the defeatism.
Obama's reelection is turning out to be a pyrrhic victory for the Left.
This is not the second coming of Valley Forge people. 2012 may not have
been Obama's Waterloo, but it was his Guilford Courthouse. We may not
take his scalp, but we can make the Left wish they had never stood by
his side.


I think the reason for the fear is that Obama is a short-term phenomenon, while the degradation of America's ideals is may not be. I truly hope you are correct. I fear you are not.

Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 04:23 PM (6TB1Z)

206 geee Mittens, you useless RINO POS, maybe if you had campaigned half as hard as whined after you got yer ass handed to you...

but youo didn't, because you;re a pussy and so are the Beltway RINOs of the RNC who maneuvered your worthless carcass into the candidtate's slot.

after all, you're rich enough to avoid the pain the rest of us are dealing with, so it was no biggie to you...

FOAD and take Chris Christie with you.

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 20, 2014 04:24 PM (q+fqH)

207 Romney was simply the wrong candidate at the wrong time. It was not a great field for many reasons. And the incumbent was much stronger than he should have been.

Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 04:24 PM (VyRoX)

208 >>Things are looking up for a change, so I don't get the defeatism.
Obama's reelection is turning out to be a pyrrhic victory for the Left.
This is not the second coming of Valley Forge people. 2012 may not have
been Obama's Waterloo, but it was his Guilford Courthouse. We may not
take his scalp, but we can make the Left wish they had never stood by
his side.

Math is going to take all of our scalps before too long.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 04:24 PM (g1DWB)

209 Romney lost 5 states, each by approximately 100K votes. One hell of a coincidence that he lost just the right states, and just by a bare margin.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 20, 2014 04:18 PM (ZkzmI)
Eh, you have to remember that raw margin isn't nearly as significant.

In a small state, 100,000 is a canyon. Even a "small" margin of 50,000 is wide. We lost NH, IA, DE, VT, NM and NV within this range.

In a large state, 300,000 is a long jump and 75-100,000 is a squeaker. Romney lost PA, OH, FL, MN & WI within this range.

Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 04:24 PM (8arH0)

210

We're going to need a lot of Executive Orders to turn this ship around.

And, a lot of pens and phones.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 04:24 PM (IXrOn)

211 Late as usual

The man and the moment met at the precisely perfect time. Prior to
2008, a socialist could not have won the White House. In 2008, and
thereafter, a socialist could win the White House -- if he was the exact
perfect socialist.[/i



We have had nothing but socialists in the WH (and in congress) since the early 1900s. The US became a socialist nation when we entered the "progressive era".


Obama is not a socialist. He is a hardcore anti-American communist. His every action screams that to the high heavens. And he was elected because the FSA came out in droves to vote for him while hardcore conservatives sat at home.

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2014 04:24 PM (T2V/1)

212 173 Something was really screwy with their internal polling on Florida.
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:13 PM (RJMhd)

Yeah, I guess they should have questioned their polling regard to a state that just elected a Tea Party Senator and a Republican Governor and a firebrand and popular Republican rep, Col West.

Something did stink in Florida and it wasn't Romney's internal polling.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:16 PM (m2CN7)

********

Hey come back at me I love debate.

I think it might have something to do with demographics.

In Presidential elections the voter turn out is different.

Then Col. West is one locality vs. a statewide result.

Can't make a direct comparison thee.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:24 PM (RJMhd)

213
>>>Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 04:23 PM (6TB1Z)

Yep, Obama's not the problem, it's the 150,000,000 people who looked at his first term and went "thumbs up dude".

Posted by: Paul at January 20, 2014 04:24 PM (9qDRl)

214
Nice to know that all these milleniums types that voted for the scoamf twice will be paying dearly just because it was the cool thing to do.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 20, 2014 04:24 PM (mETGQ)

215 Power that you give to government is eventually inherited by your worst enemy.



^^^^THIS!!!^^^^ Add to that, anyone who spouts that old canard about not having anything to worry about if you aren't doing anything wrong deserves to have a jackboot smashing his face forever...the problem is that he drags the rest of us down with him.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 04:24 PM (yh0zB)

216 You don't want a Golden Dawn Party


Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand


Yeah, that was a bit unclear. I was trying to show the poles, not endorsing them.

Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 04:25 PM (6TB1Z)

217 Can't make a direct comparison *there*.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:25 PM (RJMhd)

218 HBO lost 6% of its viewers over the last 2 years.
Good.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 04:25 PM (ZPrif)

219 shit, in the barrel.

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2014 04:25 PM (T2V/1)

220 The damage to my life is real and is happening now.

Obama's bad polls are no help to me at all.

Posted by: eleven at January 20, 2014 04:25 PM (KXm42)

221 Does Obama have some red, Rick James aura that only those on stage can see? How the fuck does someone come to the conclusion that he's a good debater?


+50 for black (since they get graded on a curve), and +50 for liberal (since that's the approved position).

-100 if you sound conservative (because h8r).

It's not the actual win, it's what the conventional wisdom gets molded into. Remember Biden vs. Palin? Biden was every bit the fumblebutt he appears to be, but she's the dummy.

Posted by: --- at January 20, 2014 04:25 PM (MMC8r)

222 You're not the only one.

The Last Generation of the West and the Thin Strand of Civilization - Victor Davis Hanson.

http://tinyurl.com/nxearv3


Posted by: Existentialist at January 20, 2014 04:25 PM (1Rgee)

223 I need to qualify what I mean by educate. I'm not talking about a dry, pedagogical spot like Heritage does. I'm talking about stuff that lends itself to viral status. Kind of like this video Reason did a while back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs5_jB46xQE

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 04:25 PM (346rt)

224 Growing up, I could always tell who the Kaboom! kids were by brown smiling faces staring back up out of the toilet bowl.

--Fritz

Posted by: Fritz at January 20, 2014 04:26 PM (TKFmG)

225 Are you planning a Senate race post...


please?
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:19 PM (RJMhd)

Absolutely.

At the Federalist.

Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 04:26 PM (8arH0)

226 That's 6 percentage points. Not 6%.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 04:26 PM (ZPrif)

227 I remember thinking that Romney was behaving like a man who knew he was going to win, and Obama was acting like a guy who knew he'd lost.

Anyone else remember it that way? Mitt seemed cheerful and confident. Obama looked sulky and glum.

And then the results came in ... and I almost threw up.

Posted by: Warden at January 20, 2014 04:26 PM (HzhBE)

228 We COULD have righted the ship on 2012… *IF* we had someone like Ted Cruz coming out of the primary. Unfortunately, all we had was Romney and a bunch of weak not-Romney's. So, The O got 3.5 million fewer votes in 2012, but we also had approx. 2-3 million fewer total voters. Had we not had a Reagan to challenge Carter in '80, Carter would've won a 2nd term against the likes of Dole and Bush Sr.

They may have had the "perfect" socialist candidate at the perfect time in 2008, but he would've lost in 2012 against the "perfect" conservative candidate IF WE HAD ONE.

Posted by: Trubador at January 20, 2014 04:26 PM (MlrAE)

229 the scene leaves the impression that perhaps in his heart of hearts Romney never really believed he could win

I'd like to propose an alternative; that Romney saw the ship of state sinking, knew that only unpopular measures would right that ship, and didn't have it in his heart to be the person to take the flagellation of himself and his character that was certain to follow.



Posted by: Regular Moron at January 20, 2014 04:26 PM (oGrEy)

230 I think conservatives are better positioned than you think. The future belongs to those who show. Advantage conservatives. It's just takes a while to get there.

Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 04:26 PM (VyRoX)

231

Reality TV won.

Where is "a good man*" being defined? Twitter? YouTube? The Movies? TV?


*or woman

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 04:26 PM (IXrOn)

232 >>>The tea party is the bright spot, but predictably "our" side sees them as a bigger threat than their supposed opponents.

That's because the Tea Party treats strategy and pragmatism as anathema.

Until a supermajority of the Tea Party is able to admit that Christine O'Donnell was a mistake, they will continue to be viewed as fuck-ups.

Part of the maturation process is admitting error (everyone makes them, including, as the Tea Party often points out, the Establishment) and employing cool-headed reason (and even cold ruthlessness) to temper the fires of passion.

At the present time the Tea Party is unwilling to admit it's ever made a tactical mistake, ever, and continues to proclaim that restraint is a sin.

It is not yet a mature political party. It will not be accepted as a mature political party until it is one.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:27 PM (/FnUH)

233 Nice to know that all these milleniums types that
voted for the scoamf twice will be paying dearly just because it was the
cool thing to do.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 20, 2014 04:24 PM (mETGQ)

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Well.... wouldn't another "historic" Presidency be just marvelous????

Posted by: Hillary!! at January 20, 2014 04:27 PM (nELVU)

234 29

By the way, I was wondering... if the NSA people are so good at catching stuff, how did they miss Snowden?
Posted by: Mallfly at January 20, 2014 03:46 PM (bJm7W)


"The same way they missed Flashbang and Speedbump, the Tsarenev brothers, Al-Walki, the Fort Hood shooter, etc."


Yeah, they were looking where the light was better.


Posted by: Existentialist at January 20, 2014 04:27 PM (1Rgee)

235 What I am not seeing from conservatives and libertarians is any real, concerted effort to educate the public. We piss and moan about LIV's but what are we doing to make them better informed?


***

I HATE the term low-info voter. There are no low-info voters.

All voters have access to the same information but some are so lazy, so unmotivated, so willing to allow others to do their thinking for them, that they simply do not care unless you are taking something tangible from them personally.

This isn't an information problem. It isn't even an apathy problem.

It is a give-me-mine problem.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:27 PM (DmNpO)

236 159 The Republican Party almost always gives their nomination to the

frontrunner. It's what they do. It's not a question of whether Romney

did or didn't put forth effort. It's about the money men of the

establishment, and the state parties that set the agendas for their

primaries and caucuses.

The comment said that the nom was
Romney's, because evil, conspiratorial party bosses. If that was the
case, why did he have to work so hard to win it?
The sore losers in
the nominating contest will never acknowledge that he won because he was
the best candidate. Not a perfect one, but the best.

Ah, but the old "stab in the back" is just so much more satisfying, right?

-------------------------------------

I never said the party bosses conspired to do anything - I frankly doubt they are capable of organizing a conspiracy without effing it up. The average GOP voter (and our voters are...well, you know) tends to go with the "next guy in line". They are known quantities, which I guess falls in line with a more conservative approach.

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 04:28 PM (BAEzE)

237 They may have had the "perfect" socialist candidate at the perfect time in 2008, but he would've lost in 2012 against the "perfect" conservative candidate IF WE HAD ONE.
Posted by: Trubador at January 20, 2014 04:26 PM (MlrAE)


I know people will scream at me, but, it's all about the 3rd party candidate.

I simply do not trust the GOP. Haven't in a very long time.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 04:28 PM (IXrOn)

238 Yeah, that was a bit unclear. I was trying to show the poles, not endorsing them.


Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 04:25 PM (6TB1Z)

Oh I see, yeah at least with European elections I know which people are full on national socialist or communists.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 20, 2014 04:28 PM (WdbF7)

239 It wasn't just Obama and the FSA.

And it wasn't just the MFM.


It's in part that the socialist push met the professional cowardice of Boehner, McConnell, McCain, Miss Lindsi
etc. and Mr I'd-rather-not-be-called-a-racist-than fight-hard-and-win-or-support-someone who-will-fight-cuz-it's-my-turn Romney.

As long as we have people leading the GOP who are more interested claiming their share of table scraps left by the Dims than in fighting the good fight we will lose.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 20, 2014 04:28 PM (0cMkb)

240 >>>They may have had the "perfect" socialist candidate at the perfect time in 2008, but he would've lost in 2012 against the "perfect" conservative candidate IF WE HAD ONE.Posted by: Trubador at January 20, 2014 04:26 PM (MlrAE)This "the people wanted real conservative so they voted for Obama" argument always intrigues me.

Posted by: Paul at January 20, 2014 04:28 PM (9qDRl)

241 And, by the way, I support the Tea Party, in the main.

But if the Tea Party wants to continue to say "Yes we'd re-nominate Christine O'Donnell a thousand times more if we had the chance," then people are going to treat them as wild-eyed zealots.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:28 PM (/FnUH)

242 Great piece Ace.


Also, just kill me now.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 20, 2014 04:28 PM (8ZskC)

243 The problem is that Romney was either too stupid or too nice of a guy to just come right out and say it: "Obama is a failure. Period." And just repeat, reuse, recycle. And when asked why, repeat a failure of job creation, a failure of deficit reduction, a failure of foreign policy, etc., and predict certain failure in the future. And when the media inevitably run their "fact checks," make fun of the media the way Reagan did. "Oh, WaPo ran a fact check? Color me scared. A bunch of liberals twisting facts to make a failure seem not a failure and/or blame Bush? Impressive!" "What's this? MSNBC said I lied? Oh, well, if the MSNBC geniuses said it, it must be true." Caricature them, lampoon them. "Unemployment is down? That's great. Say, did you know unemployment goes down when people stop looking for work? Obama is fantastic! Let's drive more people out of the workforce, which is exactly what he's done, and the unemployment rate will reach zero! Great success! No one working means no one is unemployed. Oh, b-t-dubs: Obama is a failure." And intersperse with that what you would do as president, which I think Rick Perry got exactly right: "Make Washington as inconsequential in your lives as possible." 75% of the country believes Big Government is the US's number one threat. Rip into natural American anti-government sentiment, the NSA, the ATF/DEA/DOJ F&F failure, California's magnetic train boondoggle, the Bridge to Nowhere, etc., let people know you're on their side, the side of "LEAVE ME ALONE." That resonates. Romney didn't resonate. And don't be scared to call Obama a failure and a loser. Liberals did it to Bush. What are you afraid of? Losing the black and liberal vote? Too late.

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at January 20, 2014 04:28 PM (XsOa7)

244 "Do rich conservatives *want* more conservative government? Yes. Are any of them truly willing to sacrifice for it? I have not yet seen evidence of that."

I'm gonna be honest, Allen, and say that I really don't think that first assertion is true. Oh, I think the money folks on the right like to *say* they want less government, and that's true so far as it means government leaving *them* and *their* businesses alone. But all the evidence I've seen looks to me like they certainly don't mind when it's big government forcing their competitors out of business or burdening the little guy so long as it doesn't hurt their profit margin.

Really look at what the money folks have proposed over the years. Most of them were on board with some form of health insurance mandate until it looked like it was coming from the left and would affect their bottom line. Most of them are for amnesty because: cheap labor. Most of them don't mind regulations that will help them to push others out of their markets. Bottom line: most of them are not conservative when it comes to issues outside of their own pockets. It's really no wonder why the GOP bigwigs are fine with promising to manage big government better than the other guys, because that's what the money folks really want.

I think we are at the point where the D party is fascist in practice, and pushing hard towards socialist, and the R party is just the corporatist flip side of the coin. The only difference I see in the parties right now is in the idea of how to balance of control between the state and the money folks.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (qFpRI)

245 Mitt is certainly not the first to have this sentiment. I seem to recall reading a book by Robert Bork called "Slouching Toward Gomorrah".

Posted by: navybrat at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (AW7Gr)

246 Things can get better and probably will. It will just take time. The next generation will need to face the substantial challenges and pain that comes with them and discover that excellence and perseverance, not nanny state hold my handism, is the key to overcoming them. The foundation of America is solid but the actual edifice will need rebuilding.

Posted by: Less Wonkish More Rogue at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (dvRYt)

247 That's because the Tea Party treats strategy and pragmatism as anathema.

Ace, I think the GOP views the Tea Party as anathema because the TP is a small government movement the GOP is anything but.

Posted by: --- at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (MMC8r)

248
Groovy Ace.

Best of luck pursuing your political aims without my immature vote.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (JbNtM)

249
In a large state, 300,000 is a long jump and 75-100,000 is a squeaker. Romney lost PA, OH, FL, MN WI within this range.
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Those are the five I was talking about.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (ZkzmI)

250 In 2012, 38% of US households subscribed to premium TV channels like HBO.
Today it's only 32%.

So the decline is the overall category, not necessarily HBO.

27% of households now subscribe to a subscription service like Netflix or Hulu, up from 23% last year.

I'm sure more hits like Girls will stop the decline, though.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (ZPrif)

251 HBO lost 6% of its viewers over the last 2 years.
Good.


***

Only 6%? That is shocking because their programming, particularly their original programming, stinks.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (DmNpO)

252 Voting isn't going to change anything. It's too late for that. You just have to get busy setting up alternative structures to take over when the current stuff falls apart under the in-group fighting and contradiction and lack of money.

Posted by: The Unreal Woman at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (ErWSc)

253 I've become pretty well convinced that we need to stop all this America Is Dead As We Know It stuff.

The last two elections were about an America that was scared shitless by a really really really terrible banking crisis and a super nasty recession that followed. It was about a sense that none of it was within our control, that our economy had been raped by a handful of greedy bankers and run off a cliff by a bunch of amoral Wall Street hooligans. That "this time was different," because it WAS for everyone who did not live through the Great Depression.

The problem Mitt Romney had going into the election was that the economy still sucked but nobody blamed Obama for it. They blamed Bush, or the greedy bankers, or Men Who Look An Awful Lot Like Mitt Romney. Americans very rarely throw out an incumbent President. They liked this one personally, felt like he was a good guy doing his best to fix something that was really fucked up, and decided to give him some more time to fix it.

Romney never made the case that the continuing economic doldrums were Obama's fault, and he never offered a real prescription for going in another direction that would make things better.

Everything else in that election was just noise. And almost none of it translates into elections going forward - except for the percentage of people who still think the economy is bad, and still blame Bush for it.

Posted by: rockmom at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (NYnoe)

254 I think conservatives are better positioned than you
think. The future belongs to those who show. Advantage conservatives.
It's just takes a while to get there.

Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 04:26 PM (VyRoX)

----
Here's the thing.
Midterms and special elections are where we out perform the LIV's and FSA types.
Presidential elections get the crazies to the polls and the LIV-FSA folks.


Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (nELVU)

255 "At the present time the Tea Party is unwilling to admit it's ever made a
tactical mistake, ever, and continues to proclaim that restraint is a
sin.



It is not yet a mature political party. It will not be accepted as a mature political party until it is one."

because that path has w*rked so well for the GOP in general...

the Demonrats seem to have no problem winning with extreme candidates, so what are you saying here?

or are you just looking for an acceptable reason to support RINOs?

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (q+fqH)

256 Romney lost 5 states, each by approximately 100K votes. One hell of a coincidence that he lost just the right states, and just by a bare margin.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 20, 2014 04:18 PM (ZkzmI)


-------------------------------------------------


I'll be watching the election (voting) process very closely in 2014. But I'm afraid that the "vote" has been horribly corrupted to the point of being a non-entity in this nation.

Ever wonder why democrats aren't really changing the way they govern? And I'm not referring to what they're saying, but what they're doing. They're still balls-to-the-wall marxist.

Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 04:30 PM (ycijm)

257
"At the present time the Tea Party is unwilling to admit it's ever made a tactical mistake, ever, and continues to proclaim that restraint is a sin. "

If the Tea Party ever said they would pick Mike Castle over CD, they wouldn't be the Tea Party.

Might as well hire Steve Schmidt to run the campaign.

Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 04:30 PM (u2a4R)

258 Hey cheer up..... Here's a little music to sooth the nerves kind of mood music that puts it all into perspective..http://tinyurl.com/2f4gxn

Posted by: Happy Givemore at January 20, 2014 04:30 PM (N3Al8)

259 >>>248
Groovy Ace.

Best of luck pursuing your political aims without my immature vote.

...

Shrug. People can have a protest party if they like, but a protest party is not the same as a genuine governing or election-winning party.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:30 PM (/FnUH)

260 They told me that if I voted for Mitt Romney that the rich would get richer, and the economy would not improve. They told me that if I voted for Mitt Romney that my health insurance premiums would skyrocket, and millions would lose their health coverage. They told me that if I voted for Mitt Romney that race relations would be turned back 50 years. They told me that if I voted for Mitt Romney our foreign policy would be a disaster.

Still, I went ahead and voted for Mitt Romney. They were right.

Posted by: jrg at January 20, 2014 04:30 PM (61B4w)

261 Oh, and HBO has been given to me for free for 2 years now. Showtime, on the other hand, I pay $10 per month for.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:30 PM (DmNpO)

262 We have imported millions of socialist voters, and we have a media and education system that produces millions of socialist voters. Decades of that and here we are.

Posted by: Dan at January 20, 2014 04:30 PM (COpZ4)

263 Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:27 PM (/FnUH)

Damn ace let it go. I'm not a tea partier but its not that they will not admit that Odonnell was a mistake its that they are angry that after she was the nominee, others who did not support the nomination did everything in their power to make sure she lost.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:30 PM (m2CN7)

264 Let a thousand Christine O'Donnell's bloom, I guess.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:31 PM (/FnUH)

265 156 Not so much that he wasn't in it to win it, but that he (or those around
him, more likely) knew what it would take to win and were afraid to do
it. The media cowed them into defending instead of attacking, lest they
be accused of "racism" for attacking a (half) black President.

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 04:09 PM (BAEzE)



Romney didn't attack Obama? News to me.

------------------------------

After the first debate he was much less aggressive, like he was afraid to keep pressing.

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 04:31 PM (BAEzE)

266 Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 04:18 PM (nELVU)

Is 'When The Music Stops' on WRSA as well?

Posted by: RWC at January 20, 2014 04:31 PM (Q6HBD)

267 >>I remember thinking that Romney was behaving like a man who knew he was going to win, and Obama was acting like a guy who knew he'd lost.

The truth is that virtually every pollster, including some right here, were way off last election. As much as it pains me to say the only one who was both consistent and pretty much spot on was Nate Silver.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 04:31 PM (g1DWB)

268 This isn't an information problem. It isn't even an apathy problem.

It is a give-me-mine problem.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:27 PM (DmNpO)


The politics of "fear" has created a "Cry Wolf" atmosphere amongst the populace. All my life I have heard of the debt, SS, the poor, etc... But, now, we are really at a crossroads, but, who believes it? No one trust Washington. No one.

We've all lived very good lives up until now (at least most of us, thank God). It's our children's children and their children who will feel the backlash.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 04:31 PM (IXrOn)

269 "Team Romney thought it wise to invest more money in Clark County NV- a
county in a state with 6 electoral votes- than in the entire state of
Pennsylvania, a state with over 3x that. He lost NV by a wider margin than he lost PA."

And Romney was completely tin-eared on certain populist economic issues that a better campaign would have been after like a duck on a June bug.

For example: GAS PRICES.

If you look back at the long history of postwar Presidential elections, Dr. Gasoline has been amazingly prescient in determining whether an incumbent is retained or ejected. And Dr. Gasoline was giving Obama a huge thumbs-down for two full years before the election.

Couple that to Obama administration flunkies saying absolutely insane shit about how they intended and needed to get America's gas prices up to European levels, that is, eight bucks or so a gallon. The ads would just write themselves.

Except Romney never ran any ads about gas prices. Even though that the first angle of attack most of us would have pounced on.

Because, when you have a personal net worth in the hundreds of millions of dollars, you absolutely do see the world differently than someone with a personal net worth of hundreds of dollars.

The latter person looks at a gas station price board and sees a world of fucking hurt for themselves, with every penny of increase another increment of pain.

Whereas the former person looks at the same prices and sees only a rounding error of no real personal consequence. Mitt wouldn't have felt the smallest dent in his lifestyle if gas HAD gone to $8 a gallon, for crying out loud.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 20, 2014 04:31 PM (gqT4g)

270 Ace you are right that the tea party is not a party. And as much as I would like for them to have a more immediate effect that is turning out to be harder and harder. But the hope is in 5-10 years the tea party will move into the senior slots. The will get reinforcements and maybe they will get a president who doesn't have to be a tea parties himself but doesn't actively stand in the way. I'm taking the long view. It looks much better than the short view

Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 04:31 PM (VyRoX)

271 demography is destiny. import the 3rd world, get 3rd world gov't. and, btw, not a single opponent, including this blog, had the balls to explore the simplest question about Barry; was he a citizen of Indonesia or not?

Posted by: ccruse456 at January 20, 2014 04:32 PM (G8jZM)

272 I HATE the term low-info voter. There are no low-info voters.



All voters have access to the same information but some are so lazy,
so unmotivated, so willing to allow others to do their thinking for
them, that they simply do not care unless you are taking something
tangible from them personally.



This isn't an information problem. It isn't even an apathy problem.



It is a give-me-mine problem.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:27 PM (DmNpO)

I can't argue with that, but the first step in an intervention is educational. Is it at its root a moral problem? Sure. Are people at fault for not educating themselves? Definitely. But we need to work on convincing them that they need to do something about it, because everything else in culture is telling them to surrender their brains to the technocracy.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 04:32 PM (346rt)

273 170 Have you peeked at any of Matt Bracken's writing???
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 04:13 PM (nELVU)

Haven't heard of him.

Are you recommending?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:15 PM (PYAXX)

Alas Brave New Babylon


http://tinyurl.com/oakpjy5

Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 04:32 PM (36Rjy)

274 South Carolina went third (?) in the 2012 Primaries, and they should have served as the Red State counterweight to Iowa/NH. They picked Gingrich, who ran constant Anti-wealth ads right out of the Occupy Wall St. Playbook. Perry, the putative conservative favorite, was a low teens-to - single digit afterthought. The formula is a lot more complex than "more Conservative, more votes".

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2014 04:32 PM (ZshNr)

275 Romney never made the case that the continuing economic doldrums were Obama's fault, and he never offered a real prescription for going in another direction that would make things better. Everything else in that election was just noise. And almost none of it translates into elections going forward - except for the percentage of people who still think the economy is bad, and still blame Bush for it.
Posted by: rockmom at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (NYnoe)

Of course he made that case. That the LIV didn't listen or could not understand is the problem or did not believe it.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:33 PM (m2CN7)

276
Well.... wouldn't another "historic" Presidency be just marvelous????
Posted by: Hillary!! at January 20, 2014 04:27 PM (nELVU)
*****

That's right.
They'll fall for it again and vote for that flabby face liar so they can be a part of history and it's cool.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 20, 2014 04:33 PM (mETGQ)

277 264 Let a thousand Christine O'Donnell's bloom, I guess.


The absence of Mike Castle was the difference between having ObamaCare strictly a democrat program instead of a "bipartisan" one.

Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 04:33 PM (u2a4R)

278 But if the Tea Party wants to continue to say "Yes
we'd re-nominate Christine O'Donnell a thousand times more if we had the
chance," then people are going to treat them as wild-eyed zealots.





Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:28 PM (/FnUH)


The beef isn't that everyone thought CoD was such a great candidate. The beef is that once she won the nomination the party didn't back her. In fact, didn't her opponent in the primaries go on to endorse the Dem? Cause THAT is the mark of a "mature" political party...

Yes, the tea party faction has a way to go to be competitive, no argument there.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 04:33 PM (yh0zB)

279 >>.Damn ace let it go. I'm not a tea partier but its not that they will not admit that Odonnell was a mistake its that they are angry that after she was the nominee, others who did not support the nomination did everything in their power to make sure she lost.

of course... it's the guys who told you "She can't win, she's a dummy" who tanked her, not the people who were, you know, wrong.

It's the guys who were right who were really wrong. See, YOU guys were really right, but then we Stabbed Her In The Back and made her lose, thus making us right and you wrong.

But all you folks who kept on dreamin' that a goofball imbecile much-concerned about masturbation could win in a blue state?

You guys were right. It was only Teh Conspiracy that kept the world from seeing how right you were.

This is immature talk from zealous people who cannot confess error, but only dream up conspiracies against them (which then makes it SEEM like they made an error, when they totally didn't seriously you guys).





Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:33 PM (/FnUH)

280 Just remember, Newt Gingrich has two ex wives. Good thing we didn't nominate him, and went for the squeaky clean guy instead. /sarc

Posted by: Lethbridge at January 20, 2014 04:33 PM (iVxK0)

281 It is not yet a mature political party. It will not be accepted as a mature political party until it is one.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:27 PM (/FnUH)

**********

And that there is the problem it really isn't even a party.

Libertarians are closer aren't they to the true definition?

The Green Party even.

Has the Tea Party applied for access on ballots for general elections?

If they have--how many states?

I think that's a lot of the problem.

Hell I think Harry Reid admitted to running faux Tea party ads during the Republican primary--something like that.

Or at least I wouldn't put it past Harry Reid.

I think it is pretty easy and tempting for the Democrats to play in the primaries and stir the pot.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:33 PM (RJMhd)

282 The "Party Bosses" conspired (and still do) by fixing the primary schedule such that Blue States always determine our candidates.


The Party Bosses are the collective individual State heads that attend the GOP meetup before the primaries to determine the rules and the schedule. And BTW, the 2016 one has already occurred and it is just as fucked up[ as 2008 and 2012.


As long as we have the current Republican leadership we will never get a conservative candidate. Hell, if they get their way we will not have any in congress either.

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2014 04:33 PM (T2V/1)

283 Long time lurker here, and are you guys kidding me!

This is the best position we've been in for years.


Actually, I agree--at least if by "years," you mean since 2006. I don't think it's a stretch to think we'll win the next Presidential election. It's also conceivable we'll win the Senate in 2014, though holding it in 2016 will be tougher.

What I'm more worried about is what we get out of it even if our side gets the Presidency and Congress back. I defended Boehner for a long time, but abandoning the sequester was really a punch to the stomach. Add to that the rumors on pulling back from Obamacare's repeal, and what you wind up with are a lot of people in power on our side who don't seem even to be pretending they'll fight on major issues.

I'll go further. There was a time when the idea of saying "I support Ron Paul's son for President" would have made me want to puke before I could have finish the sentence. I've been starting to get used to the idea of actually supporting Rand, though, for the sole reason that 1.) few other high profile Republicans are even trying to act like they care about spending right now and 2.) I wouldn't expect him to bail on Obamacare's repeal.

Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 04:33 PM (yC+hP)

284 If it was/is so serious... why ORCA? That shit sure as hell wasn't serious.

Posted by: KG at January 20, 2014 04:34 PM (p7BzH)

285 At the present time the Tea Party is unwilling to admit it's ever made a tactical mistake, ever,

Posted by: ace


The same could be said of the professional GOP.

Posted by: wew at January 20, 2014 04:34 PM (cxs6V)

286 Found it.

Yeah, Bracken's stuff is pretty scary if you think it is inevitable.

Posted by: RWC at January 20, 2014 04:34 PM (Q6HBD)

287 232 -

Really? You believe people don't know O'Donnell was a mistake? What they won't admit to, and perhaps this is where you are having a hard time understanding, is that the effort wasn't worth it.

It's one thing to look at the political landscape, see a RINO (I can't remember his name now) running in a race, then deciding to vote for O'Donnell instead. It's another to say "she might turn out to be a flake, so let's stick with the safe RINO."

I think Tea Partiers are much more willing to risk the possibility their candidate will turn out to be a flake then they are to settle in on a RINO, and not contest his or her "safe" seat.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 04:34 PM (BeSEI)

288 >>>The beef isn't that everyone thought CoD was such a great candidate. The beef is that once she won the nomination the party didn't back her. In fact, didn't her opponent in the primaries go on to endorse the Dem? Cause THAT is the mark of a "mature" political party...

you know who also didn't back her? The 60% of the state which is Democratic.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:34 PM (/FnUH)

289 This is immature talk from zealous people who cannot confess error, but only dream up conspiracies against them (which then makes it SEEM like they made an error, when they totally didn't seriously you guys).

I confess I was really in error in 2012.... I believed even a ham sammich could beat Obama.... I was sadly mistaken...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at January 20, 2014 04:35 PM (9+ccr)

290 Is 'When The Music Stops' on WRSA as well?

Posted by: RWC at January 20, 2014 04:31 PM (Q6HBD)

---
Yes .... It's still there..... here ya go...http://tinyurl.com/9cr8rx6

Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 04:35 PM (nELVU)

291 You can call Obama a socialist, national socialist, communist, whatever all you want. I think those phrases really don't mean anything to people anymore. Also, all Obama has to do is stand up and say "no I'm not" and that's pretty much the end of it. He can say a lot of things with a wink, and liberals get he's trying to be coy with the public. I'm not sure conservatives have grasped that concept.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 20, 2014 04:35 PM (WdbF7)

292 Yes, the USS America is taking on water faster every year. But the band plays on while the officers tell everyone that there's no reason to worry

We have high tech, but it's for gadgetry or to enable the elite to control the serfs. We're not even thinking of going to the moon.

Symbolism over substance, as "the first gay black woman whatever is HISTORIC!!!" and everything that happened more than 2 days ago is HISTORIC

The culture is beyond repair, as people are drawn to trashy reality tv that makes instant celebrities out of talentless sociopaths. Hollywood remakes or reboots movies originally made by people far more talented than they. Pop musicians who make millions not by musical talent but how outrageous and filthy they can act in public.

Take a look at footage of Woodstock or Altamont and you realize that those flailing idiots are now our "elite" and know that it's been a long time coming

Posted by: kbdabear at January 20, 2014 04:35 PM (aTXUx)

293 The answer is not in politicians. The answer is changing peoples' hearts. That has to be done on an individual and small group basis, one person at a time. One family at a time. It can only come from a spiritual revival. Anything else is whistling against the wind.

Teach your children. Strengthen your families. Love your neighbors. Love God.

The rest will follow.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 20, 2014 04:35 PM (P6QsQ)

294
It's taken me years, but almost all of you are finally catching on.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 04:35 PM (gYIst)

295 because it needs to be said again:

260
They told me that if I voted for Mitt Romney that the rich would get
richer, and the economy would not improve. They told me that if I voted
for Mitt Romney that my health insurance premiums would skyrocket, and
millions would lose their health coverage. They told me that if I voted
for Mitt Romney that race relations would be turned back 50 years. They
told me that if I voted for Mitt Romney our foreign policy would be a
disaster.

Still, I went ahead and voted for Mitt Romney. They were right.

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 20, 2014 04:36 PM (q+fqH)

296
195 If so, then an American UKIP will rise. Or perhaps a Golden Dawn. That's the dilemma.
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That is my fear as well. Question: If you had to choose between Donk socialism and a fascist no civil rights regime, which would you choose?

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 20, 2014 04:36 PM (E+uky)

297
Shrug right back Ace.

Remember, the GOP doesn't ride a wave of Jack Shit without the Tea Party. But if you want a permanent Minority Party ... go right ahead.

It really does suit me just fine. I'm squarely on Team LiB.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 20, 2014 04:36 PM (JbNtM)

298 anyway if y'all are baffled at why the Establishment looks at you askance, as if you really aren't thinking at all about who can win or not but only about protests and dramatic statements, it's probably because many of you aren't thinking about who can win or not and are only thinking about protests and dramatic statements.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:36 PM (/FnUH)

299 Voting isn't going to change anything. It's too late for that. You just have to get busy setting up alternative structures to take over when the current stuff falls apart under the in-group fighting and contradiction and lack of money.
Posted by: The Unreal Woman at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (ErWSc)


Sounds Whittle'esque

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 04:36 PM (IXrOn)

300 On another point. Our side does not operate within a bubble. In terms of long term damage the Democrat's have hurt themselves far more this last year than they hurt themselves. The FSA do not possess any true loyalty beyond that of a beneficiary of a financial patron. They are one bounced check away from turning on their masters. The Obamacare meltdown is not just a failure in its own right, but more importantly it hurts the Democrats reputation as the providers of free wealth. If the Democrats get a reputation for making promises they can not keep, then people will ignore their promises. A Democrat without a promises of Free Stuff is an electorally troubled Democrat.

Tl;Dr, we don't have to be good, simply better

Posted by: Captain_Cookie at January 20, 2014 04:37 PM (qJPSp)

301 I think we've been slowly doomed since the 1930s when FDR was allowed to have free reign and all the radicals planted the spores which would destroy academia in Columbia U's education department.

Woodrow Wilson was a giant warning sign that the system could be subverted and once the social march through the institutions started it has never stopped.

Unless we get a Ted Cruz style president which really guts the government back to its enumerated powers and have a social revolution in academia and the media toward traditional culture, then its all over.

We'll become another Argentina blaming failures on boogeymen and the scapegoat of the decade until the end of time.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at January 20, 2014 04:37 PM (A1Dcl)

302 Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:33 PM (/FnUH)

Your smart ass response does not erase the fact that Castle and his establishment state Republicans did everything they could to make her lose. Its not a conspiracy theory if its a fact.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:37 PM (m2CN7)

303 287 Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 04:34 PM (BeSEI)


The problem with CO's opponent wasn't that he was a RINO. He was a DIABLO SOB. As I told Ace when that primary was going and the big brewha started. We had already lost with those two candidates. It didn't matter who won.

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2014 04:37 PM (T2V/1)

304
The secret to knowing the destination of a anything is simply observing the object's trajectory, Soothsayer explained.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 04:38 PM (gYIst)

305 Mitt should run again, telling his advisors to take a hike. Let it all hang out. Lay it on the line as a knowledgeable businessman, and say what's at stake. Don't hold back. He's a good man with the right experience.

Of course, if I were him, I'd probably just hide my investments in the Bahamas and retire someplace nice with the wife & kids, and tell the rest of the world to go to hell.

Posted by: red speck at January 20, 2014 04:38 PM (9/Ug/)

306 Posted by: grammie winger at January 20, 2014 04:35 PM (P6QsQ)

AMEN, Grammie and PRAYER-although I know you fervently engage in that. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 20, 2014 04:38 PM (7kkQJ)

307 fuck romney. that piece of shit had @avik (the idiot who wrote the conservative case for universal healthcare last week) as his healthcare adviser. if he thought big gov was the problem then he wouldn't have hired a big gov health adviser. fuck him. and fuck him for making me think he's going to run again in 2016.

Posted by: obamuh at January 20, 2014 04:38 PM (rNS5g)

308 293
The answer is not in politicians. The answer is changing peoples'
hearts. That has to be done on an individual and small group basis, one
person at a time. One family at a time. It can only come from a
spiritual revival. Anything else is whistling against the wind.



Teach your children. Strengthen your families. Love your neighbors. Love God.



The rest will follow.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 20, 2014 04:35 PM (P6QsQ)

This x eleventy

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 04:38 PM (346rt)

309 "The absence of Mike Castle was the difference between having ObamaCare
strictly a democrat program instead of a 'bipartisan' one."

Obamacide was strictly a Democratic deal in the Senate.

One Republican in the House broke ranks on it, made it technically "bipartisan", and ruined any claim to it being wholly a Democratic fiasco: Cao. Who was in an indefensible seat in a blue district that he was pretty much certain to lose the next cycle, and did.

Shitty management by the House GOP leadership, who should have been in there doing everything they could to get that guy on-side.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 20, 2014 04:38 PM (gqT4g)

310 >>>Your smart ass response does not erase the fact that Castle and his establishment state Republicans did everything they could to make her lose. Its not a conspiracy theory if its a fact.

bullshit, and she was a goner anyway.

There was ONE Republican who could win in that 60% Democratic state and his name was not "Christine O'Donnell."

If you want to throw away senate seats for no reason other than to "send a message," that's your call, but don't expect everyone else to celebrate you for it.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:38 PM (/FnUH)

311 Romney needed a little Richard Sherman in his campaigning.

Instead, we got Mr Peabody's Sherman.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 20, 2014 04:39 PM (Ec6wH)

312 "They are one bounced check away from turning on their masters"

They might become the enemy of the enemy, but as consumers with no desire for production, they will never be friends. Therein lies the problem. We have cultivated and entitled and entire culture of people which expect something for nothing and we as humane people can't find it in us to allow them to starve.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at January 20, 2014 04:39 PM (A1Dcl)

313 Just remember, Newt Gingrich has two ex wives. Good thing we didn't nominate him, and went for the squeaky clean guy instead. /sarc

Newt was the Ur-Boehner. Knowing that we were going to lose, I actually would have supported him in order to hit the other side as much as possible while went down in flames--but he put our side on the path to being comfortable with big government after winning everything. For that matter, he also jeopardized our entire side for his own dick. He should never be allowed in a leadership position again.

Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 04:39 PM (yC+hP)

314 you know who also didn't back her? The 60% of the state which is Democratic.
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:34 PM (/FnUH)

What does that have to do with having your own state party and primary opponent work against you in the general?

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:39 PM (m2CN7)

315
But now is not the time contemplate belly buttons, dammit!

We know our enemy. We know them so well we should be able to predict their every move.

Enough of this reactionary outragey whining and hindsight, already. Time now for offense.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 04:40 PM (gYIst)

316 Mitt just go the fuck away already.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 20, 2014 04:40 PM (0LHZx)

317 #269 - torquewrench -

SO right!!!! This is my BIG rant right now to anyone who will listen. Why the fuck are we not talking about gas and grocery prices?? I go absolutely ballistic now every tinme I go grocery shopping. A simple "we will get gas prices back down to under $2 a gallon where they were when Obama became President" would have been the BEST thing to run on. It still is.

We're getting sucked into a stupid fight picked by Obama over the "gestural liberalism" of minimum wage increases and extended unemployment, when the REAL thing that killing the middle class is THE RISING PRICES OF EVERYTHING. And we're letting Obama get away with a deliberate jacking up of energy prices to satisfy his Loony Left enviro-nut base. If you're a blue collar guy already making $20 an hour, a minimum wage increase doesn't mean shit for you. But gas going back to $2 a gallon would mean a LOT to you. Hamburger at $2 a pound instead of $4 a pound would mean a lot.

We are going to lose another election badly if we think millions of Americans just want to hear lofty paeans to the Constitution and individual rights and doing something about the national debt. We have to have a real simple agenda - put money in people's pockets. That wins, every time.

Posted by: rockmom at January 20, 2014 04:40 PM (NYnoe)

318 It is not yet a mature political party. It will not be accepted as a mature political party until it is one.





Posted by: ace
............
It's not a party.. never will be. They are a small faction of the GOP, and that grudgingly.

The Tea Party wants sole ownership of the Republican Party. And so the Establishment crowd like Rove.. well, fuck 'em both. That's not how it works.

Come to an agreement somewhere in the middle.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 20, 2014 04:40 PM (f9c2L)

319 201
I think that's why Obama got rid of the Churchill bust. An inanimate object could out-debate Captain Affirmative Action.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 20, 2014 04:22 PM (Ec6wH)

I'm pretty sure he got rid of it because of Churchill's role in the Mau-Mau rebellion in Kenya, then called British East Africa.

By the way, affirmative action hasn't caused the consequence; it *is* the consequence, one of many.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 04:41 PM (36Rjy)

320 Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 04:35 PM (nELVU)

I also recommend Glen Tate's 299 Days series. It's expensive, but worth it IMO. He's an attorney in Washington State, and is (or was) involved in the state government there. He used that experience as the basis the gov characters in the story.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 20, 2014 04:41 PM (CWquH)

321 Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (qFpRI)

To be clear, I'm not talking about rich "conservatives." I'm not talking about the Chamber of Commerce. I'm talking about actual conservatives who happen to be rich.

And, ace, that was a cheap shot. I haven't heard anyone say that COD was a "good" candidate in a long time. But if you really think the Tea Party *should* have nominated DIABLO Mike Castle over COD, then you're not actually a fan of the Tea Party as it exists, but of the Tea Party as you wish it existed.

COD made unforgivable mistakes. She was, indeed, a flake (though, you know, so are a lot of people who get elected). Given a choice between someone of her (stated) convictions and political savvy and someone of her (stated) convictions and good political savvy, I'd take the latter. Given a choice between her and Mike Castle? I *would* still vote for her (well- not that it's an issue, I'm in TX, not DE), because she better represents me than Mike Castle does.

And, contra what the Establishment says, if she had lost (in the mythical world where I lived in DE), I would have probably sucked it up and voted for Mike Castle. But Mike Castle *endorsed the Democrat.*

Think about that for a moment.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:41 PM (PYAXX)

322 If you want to throw away senate seats for no reason other than to "send a message," that's your call, but don't expect everyone else to celebrate you for it.
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:38 PM (/FnUH)

So that justifies your own party and primary opponent in making every effort to make sure you lose? You agree with that type of effort?

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:41 PM (m2CN7)

323 It's not a party.. never will be. They are a small faction of the GOP, and that grudgingly.

The Tea Party wants sole ownership of the Republican Party. And so the Establishment crowd like Rove.. well, fuck 'em both. That's not how it works.

Come to an agreement somewhere in the middle.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 20, 2014 04:40 PM (f9c2L)

********

So it's a little like blackmail?

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (RJMhd)

324 Something bad appears to have happened in Omaha.

Breaking News ‏@BreakingNews
Omaha fire chief: Multiple fatalities in plant explosion; rescuers now searching for survivors - @OWHnews http://bit.ly/19IuQVM

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (ZPrif)

325 My theory is that given enough time all societies eventually end up socialist. In order to win elections, politicians have to promise stuff. Every election more is promised. Until eventually the govt gives you everything (which is to say nothing).

It's human nature to want free shit.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (0LHZx)

326 >>>What does that have to do with having your own state party and primary opponent work against you in the general?

oh nothing. Except for the fact that only a Republican who had won over a portion of the 60% Democratic voting bloc had a chance of winning there, and Castle had, and that's why he was the prohibitive favorite (so much so that Joe Biden's son chose *NOT TO RUN* rather than be defeated by him).

But whatever, some geniuses decided that the Masturbation Nitwit could really "change hearts and minds" and we wanted to send a message and whatever.

All this fucking BULLSHIT continues to this day, where people who fucked up, but will never, ever admit it because they are constitutionally incapable of so moral an act, just continue to make excuses and posit conspiracy theories.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (/FnUH)

327 Come to an agreement somewhere in the middle.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry


Yeah, because everyone knows half of a bridge is better than a whole bridge.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (cxs6V)

328 The Lesson: conquer the culture, conquer the nation.

No shots need ever be fired. Infrastructure stays in place. Power is permanent. The boot of authoritarianism is placed on the mind, not the throat.

I'm glad I'm old.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (0HooB)

329 Oh, ninja, please!

"We" haven't changed as a country overnight. Obama's high-tech campaign managed to turn out record numbers of racist blacks (sorry for the redundancy) and starry-eyed young voters twice in a row. They voted for the image of Obama, not his policies or ideology. Heck, a plurality of his voters opposed ObamaCare!

If "we" are guilty of a failure, it is the 20+ year effort to make it effortless to register and vote, to cajole every disinterested citizen, no matter how uninformed about the issues and candidates they might be, into believing they had a DUTY to vote nonetheless. Well, it was always just a stupid idea designed to help Democrats, who failed policies could never attract enough support among voters who paid attention.

Well, you "rocked the vote," all right, Zippy. Postcard registration, early voting, mail voting . . . let's make it as easy as possible for a lazy parasite who doesn't care to affect our national future, right?

As ye sow, so shall ye reap!

Posted by: Adjoran at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (473jB)

330 "There was ONE Republican who could win in that 60% Democratic state and his name was not "Christine O'Donnell.""

Once the primary is over, you back the winner.

Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (u2a4R)

331 >>>Come to an agreement somewhere in the middle.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 20, 2014 04:40 PM (f9c2L)Agreements in the middle are for RINOs.

Posted by: Paul at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (9qDRl)

332 And after losing another election after another running milquetoast "moderates" and losing what will we run in 2016?


Another moderate.

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (T2V/1)

333 Excessive worry is counterproductive. It does nothing for me when I have done it It's too easy to do but all it gets you is people like rats on a wheel:


" If you are going to worry, dont pray, but if you are going to pray, dont worry " !

Luke 18:1 (KJV)

At one time of my life, as i was entering into a storm. It seemed to be nothing but trouble all around me. Sometime we can began to worry about our circumstances. However, I want to tell you. If your gonna worry about things, then don't pray. But if your gonna trust God and pray, then don't worry about it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (7kkQJ)

334 I can't see winning elections on fiscal responsibility when so much of the electorate relies on the government for so much. At this point it seems like future executives are merely managing (or hastening) the decline.

Posted by: brak at January 20, 2014 04:43 PM (iEoiA)

335 >>>So that justifies your own party and primary opponent in making every effort to make sure you lose? You agree with that type of effort?

COD never had a chance of any kind. YOU doomed the seat by supporting O'Donnell.

Take ownership of it. Stop claiming you were Stabbed in the Back

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:43 PM (/FnUH)

336
Are we talking about fairness in elections?
2006 Dem plant Mark Foley
2006 Geo. Allen msm hyperbole victim maccaca moment
2008 Al Franken found votes in trunk of car..
2010 Lisa Murkowski blantant end around rip off win
2012 Allen West closed voting officials hq early and found uncounted votes hmmmm

Posted by: Regular Guy at January 20, 2014 04:43 PM (N3Al8)

337 industrial accident apparently

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 04:43 PM (ZPrif)

338 "
fuck romney. ... and fuck him for making me
think he's going to run again in 2016."

Bob Dole understands that the establishment RINO money are in a panic over Chris Christie imploding with Fat And Furious. Bob Dole saw that Christie was the one they intended to line up behind. Now Bob Dole hears that the establishment are talking about running Romney again in 2016, since Christie is off the table.

But Bob Dole wants you to know that he's still available if Mitt turns it down. Bob Dole is tan, rested and ready. Bob Dole proudly upheld the establishment RINO bloc's colors on a national ticket before, and Bob Dole is prepared to do it again. I'm Bob Dole and I approve this message.

Posted by: Bob Dole at January 20, 2014 04:43 PM (gqT4g)

339 This isn't an information problem. It isn't even an apathy problem.



It is a give-me-mine problem.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:27 PM (DmNpO)
It's been said that being a liberal is the easiest decision you can make because it relieves you of the hard work it takes to look beyond the "conventional wisdom".
Informing yourself is time consuming, it's work, and it's not really a lot of fun. It's so much easier to join the prevailing mob, scream "HATER" with the rest of the crowd, know that you're on the same side as the Anointed Beautiful People than it is to take a contrarian tack.Then, when you try to inform people on Twitter or Facebook on how many ways they're full of shit, they dig in an scream HATER or RACIST or HOMOPHOBE .You then realize that you'd have far more success informing your dog or cat than your average fellow American

Posted by: kbdabear at January 20, 2014 04:44 PM (aTXUx)

340 you know who also didn't back her? The 60% of the state which is Democratic.





Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:34 PM (/FnUH)



Which adroitly avoids addressing the main point I was making, which is that her own party wouldn't back her play once she had won the nomination and her primary opponent, in as large a case of dickery as there has ever been, actively endorsed her Democratic opponent rather than back his own party's candidate.



I'm getting better at this though, I almost followed you down that rabbit hole. Well done.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 04:44 PM (yh0zB)

341 Posted by: rockmom at January 20, 2014 04:40 PM (NYnoe)

Absolutely true. Our political ads are like reading fine print legalese, but the Dems' ads all have a narrative. Look at Mitt Romney. The guy gave my wife cancer. Clearly he's evil, so you should just vote for Obama.

Why are we not telling people a story? Who are these idiot Republican ad-makers, and why do they not understand basic human psychology? Are they a bunch of CPA's or something?

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 04:44 PM (346rt)

342 Take ownership of it. Stop claiming you were Stabbed in the Back
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:43 PM (/FnUH)

Stop stabbing and I'll stop complaining.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:44 PM (m2CN7)

343 And now it's off to work. Someone has to pay for all of this.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 04:45 PM (yh0zB)

344 >>>Once the primary is over, you back the winner.

yes and she got the 40% of the vote (57% to 40%), which is about the fraction of Republicans in the state, so yeah, every Republican in MD backed her.

And she lost everyone else, everyone else, as was explained to people.

But whatever you all were right in being wrong and Establishment Sell-Outs like me were wrong in being right.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:45 PM (/FnUH)

345 But we need to work on convincing them that they need to do something about it, because everything else in culture is telling them to surrender their brains to the technocracy.
Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 04:32 PM (346rt)


------------------------------------------------


First off, it's not technocracy that the majority of voters are surrenderng to. It's marxism/fascism straight up. It's how many of them have been taught for, at least two generations. That's hard to change. I'm thinking it'll never change as long as these generations are alive.

The FSA is strong. I really don't see convincing them to give that up as long as they're being promised free shit.

Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 04:45 PM (ycijm)

346 OT, but still about politics.

I received an email from Team Mitch (McConnell) wherein they expressed outrage about the Dems referring to him as a Nazi. (Vid here: http://t.co/NCICGth4zR ).

I do not like McConnell but I do kind of like that he's fighting like a Dem.

He sent and email full of outrage and righteous indignation denouncing the rhetoric of the Dems and asking me to sign a petition condemning them.

It was a nice change from R'pub campaigning as usual.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:45 PM (DmNpO)

347 Ace who would you say is the leader of the tea party. How can such a decentralized organization admit to such a mistake. Who makes the admission. I'm more interested in getting more people elected who lean that way than worrying about past candidates. Not every candidate will be as bad as cod. Not everyone as good as Cruz. Yes some duds were nominated. But as a whole the movement has been quite successful. It will be interesting to see how it does this year

Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 04:46 PM (HeCg1)

348

A lefty Masturbater could have easily won.

A man who put a dog on his roof, in a kennel, not so much.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 04:46 PM (IXrOn)

349 I'm comforted by the probability that I will likely contract a terminal case of cancer soon. Sorry guys, America was really cool. Shame you young kids missed it completely.

I blame Oliver Wendell Holmes' decision disallowing Communists being prosecuted under sedition laws.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at January 20, 2014 04:46 PM (UfYXk)

350 >>>Stop stabbing and I'll stop complaining.

I'm sorry I tricked you into picking an obvious loser for a candidate, and then locked you into this Eternal Cycle of dreaming up conspiracy theories upon which you can blame your error.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:46 PM (/FnUH)

351 If Romney truly believed he couldn't win, then why the fuck didn't he at least go down swinging instead of being a meek, nice guy?

Posted by: CDR M at January 20, 2014 04:46 PM (LsJl8)

352 303 -

Well, apparently Ace is A-ok with having that sort of fellow contesting for a seat in states with 60% Democrat voters.

I guess that's what it all boils down to. Do you want a bunch of Republican wins, or do you want to have conservative candidates?

Lots of people favor the former. And will insult anyone would suggest the latter is preferable.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 04:46 PM (BeSEI)

353 “As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron.” — H. L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 04:46 PM (bb5+k)

354 Yep, we've reached the tipping point already. It's just the crash that hasn't happened yet. By "tipping point" I mean the point of no return. Enough of the population has decided that a scoundrel like Obama is okay to be prez, and the number will only increase. Will we go out with a bang, or a whimper? I don't know. The red state/blue state paradigm will become so entrenched, probably, that I could foresee a split sometime in the next generation.

Posted by: Cornfed at January 20, 2014 04:47 PM (Hoy9u)

355
You know, if Mike Castle was such a cinch to win, why didn't he run for Senator in any of the elections before 2010? Or after. No one's stopping him.

I mean, if he's a lock, why not?


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2014 04:47 PM (kdS6q)

356 All I can do at this point is withdraw as much as I can from commerce and society, look out for me and mine, and?
Point
Laugh
Turn away

At some point sell this huge old house and find a little house in the country. That's all, Folks....

Posted by: backhoe at January 20, 2014 04:47 PM (ULH4o)

357 I'm you

Posted by: Christine odonnell at January 20, 2014 04:47 PM (FInZR)

358 The answer is not in politicians. The answer is changing peoples'
hearts.
-
Like the Police song "Spirits In a Material World" except I think I hear that in a different way than they intended.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 20, 2014 04:47 PM (E+uky)

359 347 Ace who would you say is the leader of the tea party. How can such a decentralized organization admit to such a mistake. Who makes the admission. I'm more interested in getting more people elected who lean that way than worrying about past candidates. Not every candidate will be as bad as cod. Not everyone as good as Cruz. Yes some duds were nominated. But as a whole the movement has been quite successful. It will be interesting to see how it does this year
Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 04:46 PM (HeCg1)

***********

Dude you make the Tea Party sound like Muslims and the Ottomans.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:48 PM (RJMhd)

360 It's the guys who were right who were really wrong. See, YOU guys were really right, but then we Stabbed Her In The Back and made her lose, thus making us right and you wrong.

And what would you be saying if she had lost, turned around and endorsed the Democrat, and then Mike Castle lost?

Are you disputing the fact that Mike Castle endorsed the Democrat?

You claim "the 60% of the state that is liberal" but we don't know that- we can't know that- because the national GOP let Mike Castle *endorse the Democrat.* He, and by extension they, were happier with a Democrat in office than COD.

Would she still have lost if Mike Castle had done what should have been the bare minimum expectation and made a good concession speech about "getting behind our candidate"? I don't know. Maybe. But maybe not.

We do know that he *didn't* do that bare minimum- indeed, he did exactly the opposite- and that she lost badly.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:48 PM (PYAXX)

361
I do not like McConnell but I do kind of like that he's fighting like a Dem.

I can't believe you're falling for it!

If McConnell is so feisty and upset at being called a Nazi, why doesn't he raise holy hell about it? Why does Mitch save his fury for fundraising emails?


Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 04:48 PM (gYIst)

362 Is all this argument over a dead issue just a run-up to advance another "moderate"? Will we white wash the Fat Man for 2016? Hell, he isn't even a "moderate". He is a Democrat with an R after his name. And yes, the MFM and the Repub;lican leadership was pushing him hard.



And I suspect in another 6 months he will be instantly 'rehabilitated" just like Hillary. And it will be a Hillary/Fat Man contest. We will then get 8 years of Billary back in the WH.

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2014 04:48 PM (T2V/1)

363 So it's a little like blackmail?





Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew
...........
WTF do you think politics is?

In a more genteel description it is scratching each others back.. you get some.. I get some..

But it's the same thing.

Sticking to principles that force you to lose every time is just plain stupid. The other guy has principles too! And he thinks he's as right as you think you are.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 20, 2014 04:48 PM (f9c2L)

364 338
Bob Dole understands that the establishment RINO money are in a panic over Chris Christie imploding with Fat And Furious. Bob Dole saw that Christie was the one they intended to line up behind. Now Bob Dole hears that the establishment are talking about running Romney again in 2016, since Christie is off the table.

But Bob Dole wants you to know that he's still available if Mitt turns it down. Bob Dole is tan, rested and ready. Bob Dole proudly upheld the establishment RINO bloc's colors on a national ticket before, and Bob Dole is prepared to do it again. I'm Bob Dole and I approve this message.

Posted by: Bob Dole at January 20, 2014 04:43 PM (gqT4g)

------------------------------------------

There's not enough Viagra in the world to get me excited about another Bob Dole campaign.

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 04:48 PM (BAEzE)

365 Romney has class and integrity. Very few politicians can survive with those kind of handicaps.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2014 04:48 PM (ZshNr)

366 I'm sorry I tricked you into picking an obvious loser for a candidate, and then locked you into this Eternal Cycle of dreaming up conspiracy theories upon which you can blame your error.
I'm sorry that somehow I gave you the character that would allow you to agree that having your Republican primary opponent endorse your democrat opponent was no big deal.And quit Judging people !!!

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:48 PM (m2CN7)

367 Ace, you were right to back Castle initially, as he was clearly the person who could have won the seat.

However, after he lost in the primary, you should have got behind CoD or remained silent on it. Sure, she lost. But she didn't need you, Rove and others helping her down.

Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 04:48 PM (u2a4R)

368 For every Christine O'fuckingDonnel there is one Arlen Specter and one Charlie Christ.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 20, 2014 04:48 PM (cxs6V)

369 Those are the five I was talking about.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (ZkzmI)

Well in that case, it wasnt 100k each:
Romney lost Wisconsin and Minnesota by around 225-250,000 votes each, Florida by 74,000, Ohio by I think around 150-160,000, and Pennsylvania by 309,000.

Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 04:49 PM (8arH0)

370 "Once the primary is over, you back the winner."

No. Sorry. Not when they're an absolutely certifiable nut case.

Imagine the horrible optics of O'Donnell in the Senate for six years, regularly ranting about her insane conspiracy theories, e.g., how scientists are now producing laboratory mice with human level intelligence.

I suppose the GOP could change its animal mascot from an elephant to Pinky And The Brain.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 20, 2014 04:49 PM (gqT4g)

371 329 Oh, ninja, please!

"We" haven't changed as a country overnight. Obama's high-tech campaign managed to turn out record numbers of racist blacks (sorry for the redundancy) and starry-eyed young voters twice in a row. They voted for the image of Obama, not his policies or ideology. Heck, a plurality of his voters opposed ObamaCare!

If "we" are guilty of a failure, it is the 20+ year effort to make it effortless to register and vote, to cajole every disinterested citizen, no matter how uninformed about the issues and candidates they might be, into believing they had a DUTY to vote nonetheless. Well, it was always just a stupid idea designed to help Democrats, who failed policies could never attract enough support among voters who paid attention.

Well, you "rocked the vote," all right, Zippy. Postcard registration, early voting, mail voting . . . let's make it as easy as possible for a lazy parasite who doesn't care to affect our national future, right?

As ye sow, so shall ye reap!
Posted by: Adjoran at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (473jB)

In 2004, 88% of black voters voted for John Kerry. I guess they all were racists also.

"Ninja, please." Backatcha.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 04:49 PM (36Rjy)

372 The truth is that virtually every pollster, including some right here, were way off last election. As much as it pains me to say the only one who was both consistent and pretty much spot on was Nate Silver.

That's the easy way out. There was more to it.

The polls on average were right. If I remember correctly, you could have merely checked the RCP averages on election day and guessed 49 states correctly. The 50th, Florida, that Nate Silver got right was one he changed his opinion on at the last minute due to a poll that might actually have been faulty.

A lot of people on our side, including the Stu Stevens, including the commenters here, including Michael Barone (who's probably forgotten more about politics than 99% of people will ever know), were discounting them because they showed a larger sampling of Democrats than was possible.

The lesson: Always bet on the polls until proven otherwise. Yes, they will occasionally be wrong and have been in the past. However, that's the way to bet.

Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 04:49 PM (yC+hP)

373 I think the Tea Party will get a lot more respect once it tries to stand on its own feet.

Hijacking a party is just a weird tactic.

I use to like the Tea Party until they spent too much time hating.

Reminds me how the Dems fueled up on hate.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:49 PM (RJMhd)

374
Republicans are, as usual, gonna find Conservatism a few months before the election.

The RNC might even produce a few scathing ads...

for their Youtube channel.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 04:50 PM (gYIst)

375 Why are we still talking about that Christine lady? Is she running for something again?

Posted by: grammie winger at January 20, 2014 04:50 PM (P6QsQ)

376 #341 Yep, and it looks more and more like they are gonna make the same mistake with Obamacare. Muddle the message with fine print and weasel words because they are too scared of "overpromising." Democrats NEVER worry about that. They play to win and worry about the promises later.

Who cares how hard it will be to actually repeal the damn thing? It sucks, it's jacking up health insurance prices for the middle class, it's causing companies to not hire and shed jobs, and the Democrats OWN it. "There has to be a better way." If you can't say that in 30 seconds, you need to find another career.

Posted by: rockmom at January 20, 2014 04:50 PM (NYnoe)

377 I can't believe you're falling for it!

If McConnell is so feisty and upset at being called a Nazi, why doesn't he raise holy hell about it? Why does Mitch save his fury for fundraising emails?


***

Dude. It's not like I'll be voting for him (I'm a Floridian) or contributing to him. But, frankly, he's the only person besides Rand that seems to have an aggressive marketing campaign right now.

From a distance, it's a nice change of pace.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:50 PM (DmNpO)

378 The only thing that liberals are disciplined about is voting. I would venture to say that voting Democrat on election day to a liberal is like Easter for a Christian. The rest of the Democratic tribe (BHO-Black, Hispanic, Oriental) is less dogmatic but stirred by anti-Republicanism.

The GOP has to earn every single vote it gets.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 20, 2014 04:50 PM (Ec6wH)

379 333 Excessive worry is counterproductive. It does nothing for me when I have done it It's too easy to do but all it gets you is people like rats on a wheel:


" If you are going to worry, dont pray, but if you are going to pray, dont worry " !

Luke 18:1 (KJV)

At one time of my life, as i was entering into a storm. It seemed to be nothing but trouble all around me. Sometime we can began to worry about our circumstances. However, I want to tell you. If your gonna worry about things, then don't pray. But if your gonna trust God and pray, then don't worry about it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (7kkQJ)


Excellent advice!

Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 04:50 PM (36Rjy)

380 5
Excise the tumors, let the health States attempt to heal.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 03:44 PM (PYAXX)

What if there is nothing left but tumor?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 20, 2014 04:50 PM (m2Izr)

381 yes and she got the 40% of the vote (57% to 40%), which is about the fraction of Republicans in the state, so yeah, every Republican in MD backed her.

So you are saying that Mike Castle choosing (after the primary) to endorse the Democrat had no effect? Or are you saying it's the "only reasonable thing he could have done?"

Fuck that noise.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:50 PM (PYAXX)

382 "If Romney truly believed he couldn't win, then why the fuck didn't he at
least go down swinging instead of being a meek, nice guy?"

Hell, if he started swinging and playing for blood maybe he would have fucking won. Wonder if he was ever allowed by his handlers to even think such thoughts before he lost?

Posted by: Jaws at January 20, 2014 04:50 PM (Rbtz3)

383 The problem is you purist who won't vote Republican unless they stop pissing on you.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 20, 2014 04:50 PM (E+uky)

384 What if there is nothing left but tumor?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 20, 2014 04:50 PM (m2Izr)


Did you read the first part of the comment?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:51 PM (PYAXX)

385
The lesson: Always bet on the polls until proven otherwise. Yes, they will occasionally be wrong and have been in the past. However, that's the way to bet.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 04:49 PM (yC+hP)

********

Probably--especially when you consider they could have a self fulfilling prophecy aspect to them.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:51 PM (RJMhd)

386 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (7kkQJ)

Poem for the New Year
Dietrich Bonhoeffer

With every power for good to stay and guide me,
comforted and inspired beyond all fear,
I'll live these days with you in thought beside me,
and pass, with you, into the coming year.

The old year still torments our hearts, unhastening;
the long days of our sorrow still endure;
Father, grant to the souls thou hast been chastening
that thou hast promised, the healing and the cure.

Should it be ours to drain the cup of grieving
even to the dregs of pain, at thy command,
we will not falter, thankfully receiving
all that is given by thy loving hand.

But should it be thy will once more to release us
to life's enjoyment and its good sunshine,
that which we've learned from sorrow shall increase us,
and all our life be dedicate as thine.

Today, let candles shed their radiant greeting;
lo, on our darkness are they not thy light
leading us, haply, to our longed-for meeting? -
Thou canst illumine even our darkest night.

When now the silence deepens for our hearkening,
grant we may hear thy children's voices raise
from all the unseen world around us darkening
their universal paean, in thy praise.

While all the powers of good aid and attend us,
boldly we'll face the future, come what may.
At even and at morn God will befriend us,
and oh, most surely on each newborn day!

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 04:51 PM (346rt)

387 We're turning into a nation of children who expect to be taken care of. My response to people who think we should tax the Romneys of the world to give free stuff to the FSA is, "I'd rather Romney keep his money, than to have it go toward training able-bodied adults to be free-loaders."

I also go on about the "welfare mentality" where people screw up their lives, then think others should pay for their groceries and rent.
The term "welfare mentality" bothers middle class liberals who are supporting themselves. They really aren't big fans of people who live off food stamps and rent subsidies indefinitely.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 20, 2014 04:51 PM (wVAX5)

388 All this fucking BULLSHIT continues to this day,
where people who fucked up, but will never, ever admit it because they
are constitutionally incapable of so moral an act, just continue to make
excuses and posit conspiracy theories.





Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (/FnUH)
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You make a point Ace.... and a fair one....
but.... if I may.... allow me the indulgence of pointing to a few crazies from the dark side..... Hank Johnson, Sheila Jackson Lee, Allan Grayson.
The difference between ODonnel, Akin etc on these clowns????
Party support. THEY circle the wagons.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 04:51 PM (nELVU)

389 >>>Ace who would you say is the leader of the tea party. How can such a decentralized organization admit to such a mistake. Who makes the admission

people themselves. A leaderless group can still arrive at consensus opinions -- groups naturally form consensuses. A group will naturally form Favored Opinions and Disfavored ones. (Controversy occurs when there is a contest to determine which is the Favored opinion -- but no controversy occurs when everyone understands what the Favored Opinion and Disfavored ones are. for example, it is relatively non-controversial within the GOP to acknowledge it a majority pro-life party. Not even the pro-choicers fight this -- the consensus is established, and we know it.)

It is obviously still the case that within the Tea Party the kinda-stupid machismo of claiming "We're never, ever wrong, not ever, not even once!" ethos still prevails.

That is the Favored Opinion within the Tea Party. While there is, of course, some dissent -- some who will say COD was a huge mistake and a counterproductive emotional outburst), the Favored Opinion is that this was totally right and she only lost because Karl Rove and Charles Krauthammer called her dumb.

Which... um, she was, and is. She's dumb. She's not even dumb in a way you might not notice. She's obviously, right-on-the-surface dumb.

So yeah even within a leaderless movement, it can be that a supermajority coheres around an idea like...

"Our basic take is correct, but we do have to be mindful to keep our goals somewhat within the bounds of reasonableness, and that means no more mistakes like COD"

... but the Tea party isn't there yet. The supermajority of the Tea Party still insists that it's got a perfect track record. Any election they lose, they immediately say "We didn't want to win that one anyway."

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:52 PM (/FnUH)

390 "Imagine the horrible optics of O'Donnell in the Senate for six years, regularly ranting about her insane conspiracy theories, e.g., how scientists are now producing laboratory mice with human level intelligence."

The left wing narrative is quite a powerful thing. It even convinces our own people.

Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 04:52 PM (u2a4R)

391 Hey!

Lets do some amnesty do we can add some more undocumented Democratsstart voting

Posted by: Joey T at January 20, 2014 04:53 PM (W6iIX)

392 375 -

You know our Ace. Once he starts in on something, he can't let go.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 04:53 PM (BeSEI)

393 Ace

So why not endorse violent resistance at this point? What do you propose outside of pessimism?

Posted by: Slapnutz at January 20, 2014 04:53 PM (vVSAz)

394
Imagine the horrible optics of O'Donnell in the Senate for six years, regularly ranting about her insane conspiracy theories, e.g., how scientists are now producing laboratory mice with human level intelligence.

I suppose the GOP could change its animal mascot from an elephant to Pinky And The Brain.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 20, 2014 04:49 PM (gqT4g)


Yeah, the media only tolerates that shit among Democrats.


Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 04:54 PM (bb5+k)

395
@386. Umberto Echo

Beautiful. Thank you.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 20, 2014 04:54 PM (P6QsQ)

396
Yeah, because Mitch McConnell is running scared and I'll tell you why.

McConnell isn't worried about losing the primary, he's worried about the general election. He's worried, rightfully so, that the base won't turn out for him, especially if the D's run a moderate candidate.

So Mitch is stroking the base and feeding them red meat. His email is an insult to your intelligence.


*KY is red, but they elect plenty of D's, even statewide.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 04:54 PM (gYIst)

397 ...Enough of the population has decided that a scoundrel like Obama is okay to be prez, and the number will only increase...

America tolerated a scoundrel in Clinton. Once he was reelected, it was all over. Clinton paved the way for TFG.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at January 20, 2014 04:55 PM (0HooB)

398 335 >>>So that justifies your own party and primary opponent in making every effort to make sure you lose? You agree with that type of effort?

COD never had a chance of any kind. YOU doomed the seat by supporting O'Donnell.

Take ownership of it. Stop claiming you were Stabbed in the Back

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:43 PM (/FnUH)


First, I did not support either candidate in the DE primary. Castle was DIABLO and an asshole and COD was loony tunes. Now that's out of the way, I have a hypothetical question.

Let's say Castle had won that primary and almost as soon as it was over O'Donnell had endorsed the Dem and all her supporters had taken every opportunity to publicly shit all over Castle. Would this conversation be identical towards Castle supporters today if that were the case, or would you be pissed as hell that the TrueCons didn't get in line and back the winner of the primary?

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 20, 2014 04:55 PM (qFpRI)

399 >>>However, after he lost in the primary, you should have got behind CoD or remained silent on it. Sure, she lost. But she didn't need you, Rove and others helping her down.

i fucking did. I did not start up about it until months after her inevitable, so-obvious-a-retard-could-predict-it loss.

Not only did I not badmouth her during the primary, I told the Cobloggers to stop badmouthing her BEFORE the primary, right after the other Problem Chowderhead went all Grrrl Power yet again and semi-endorsed her on Hannity.

I knew then that of course the herd would do anything Palin said, and so O'Donnell would win the primary, and the seat would be lost, and there was nothing that could be done about that except manage hurt feelings.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:55 PM (/FnUH)

400 Sticking to principles that force you to lose every time is just plain stupid. The other guy has principles too! And he thinks he's as right as you think you are.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry


Just the tip. We promise.

Posted by: Your betters in the GOP at January 20, 2014 04:55 PM (cxs6V)

401
And I'll be straight up: I want McConnell to lose. As long as McConnell is minority leader, the R's will NEVER win the Senate.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 04:55 PM (gYIst)

402
Well, apparently Ace is A-ok with having that sort of fellow contesting for a seat in states with 60% Democrat voters.

I guess that's what it all boils down to. Do you want a bunch of Republican wins, or do you want to have conservative candidates?

---

That's my take as well. When all is said and done, I am not voting to see a party win an election, I am voting to try and have my political desires met. I have no need to vote for a republican who doesn't plan to vote the way I would the majority of the time.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 20, 2014 04:55 PM (ZkzmI)

403 It's all going to crash, and those of us crying the warnings are the Cassandras of our day

Not a whole lot we can do at this point, but we won't be shocked when the "unexpected" happens

In history, the people who are shocked are the ones that didn't really know what was going on

Posted by: kbdabear at January 20, 2014 04:56 PM (aTXUx)

404 Do Tea Party meetings ever even mention COD anymore? I think she's an IOP, Internet Only Phenomenon, at this point.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2014 04:56 PM (ZshNr)

405 370 "Once the primary is over, you back the winner."

No. Sorry. Not when they're an absolutely certifiable nut case.

Imagine the horrible optics of O'Donnell in the Senate for six years, regularly ranting about her insane conspiracy theories, e.g., how scientists are now producing laboratory mice with human level intelligence.

I suppose the GOP could change its animal mascot from an elephant to Pinky And The Brain.

---------------------------------

This is where having the media in the tank for the Dems really hurts us. We couldn't get a Christine O'Donnell elected (not that we should have - she was nuts) because the media will run "crazy COD" stories 24/7. The left can run Sheila Jackson Lee, Hank Johnson, Debbie Whatshername Shultz, Tarantula Face, etc with nary a discouraging word from the media.

The GOP is thus forced to field the "perfect" candidate, an animal that has never existed on this Earth and isn't likely to spring into existence any time soon.

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 04:56 PM (BAEzE)

406 She also won the independents, but what does that matter,

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at January 20, 2014 04:56 PM (Jsiw/)

407 insane conspiracy theories, e.g., how scientists are now producing laboratory mice with human level intelligence."
-
Duh. They are called "voters" or the "Democratic constituency".

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 20, 2014 04:56 PM (E+uky)

408 Mitt Romney ran a rancid campaign.

Posted by: Mark at January 20, 2014 04:56 PM (m/7YN)

409 Had Congress not decided to elect a new people in the late 60s, there would be about 250 million people in the US. Instead, we imported tens of millions of D voters and their descendents. Some of them illegally immigrated (though we essentially allowed that
too), but the legal immigration numbers are staggering by themselves. We
did this during every Republican presidency since Nixon, and the result
is now here.

Right now the population is about 320 million. How many of that seventy-million person difference voted for Romney?

Posted by: Matt at January 20, 2014 04:56 PM (XdW+k)

410 >>>So Mitch is stroking the base and feeding them red meat. His email is an insult to your intelligence.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 04:54 PM (gYIst)So giving the base red meat is evidence that he's insulting you, while refraining from giving the base red meat is evidence that he's a cocktail circuit milquetoast RINO pussy. So what can the guy do?

Posted by: Paul at January 20, 2014 04:57 PM (9qDRl)

411 Something struck me when somebody was discussing off-topic the Ukranian situation. They explained it simply in that the western Ukranians were ethnically different from the eastern Ukranians, who were ethnically Russian. And, although the ethnic Ukranians were a majority, there was a coalition formed to make this happened.

And the ease of which one explained electoral politics in Ukraine in purely ethnic terms -- with no other considerations whatsoever -- just put into sharp relief what is happening here.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 04:57 PM (xSegX)

412 Why are we still talking about that Christine lady? Is she running for something again?

Posted by: grammie winger at January 20, 2014 04:50 PM (P6QsQ)


Ace can't quit her, she's on his miiiiinnnd.

Posted by: KG at January 20, 2014 04:57 PM (p7BzH)

413
The lesson: Always bet on the polls until proven otherwise. Yes, they will occasionally be wrong and have been in the past. However, that's the way to bet.

Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 04:49 PM (yC+hP)



I'm not rejecting the possibility that the vote fraud deliberately played to the Democrat oversamples in the polls. If you are going to MAKE the numbers come out a certain way, why not use those polls in your favor as a target?


I'm not convinced the 2012 election was a legitimate tally of eligible voters.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 04:57 PM (bb5+k)

414 Hey y'all !


The FSA is winning/has won.


Now brace for what comes next.

Posted by: Joey T at January 20, 2014 04:58 PM (W6iIX)

415 So Mitch is stroking the base and feeding them red meat. His email is an insult to your intelligence.


****

Sonofabitch.

How many fucking times do I have to say that I do not care for Mitch McConnell? How many times do I have to say that I will neither contribute to him nor vote for him?

Yet..... if a candidate doesn't feed us red meat they are a pussy and if they do they are "insulting" our intelligence.

I fucking give up.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:58 PM (DmNpO)

416 The other guy has principles too! And he thinks he's as right as you think you are.
No, he doesn't, unless by "right" you mean more ruthless, which is what he knows he is. Why? He couldn't care less.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at January 20, 2014 04:58 PM (7UMow)

417 >>>he left can run Sheila Jackson Lee, Hank Johnson, Debbie Whatshername Shultz, Tarantula Face, etc with nary a discouraging word from the media.


I'm sorry, but for God's sake, this statement (and another like it earlier) demonstrates a complete lack of sophistication.

Any idiot can win in a DISTRICT with a huge supermajority for your party. The party pick wins the seat. That simple.

Statewide contests like Senate races are different.

Yeah, Christine O'Donnell could have won in a R+10 *District* featuring a large proportion of Evangelicals. But not in a STATEWIDE race in a D+10 state, for crying out loud.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:58 PM (/FnUH)

418 Here's the problem with admitting all tactical mistakes, it is not always easy to see that something was a mistake. I maintain that nominating the architect of romneycare in an election about obamacare was a tactical mistake. But one made by the GOP voters. And perhaps there was no better alternative. It is easy to say the shutdown was a mistake but the only real proof in showing that is that the consensus of beltway insiders seem to agree. Was nominating cod over a castle a mistake for the De senate seat. Yes. But maybe we were better off for it. Maybe castle was a sacrifice. The left was quite willing to sacrifice a lot of reps to get obamacare through. Maybe we need to have same mentality.

Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 04:58 PM (pK8nF)

419
Mitt Romney: Let It Burn

Ace :

There are times when I would like to kick you square in the balls and spit in you face while you are down.

Then, there are time that you make me laugh my ass off and go through my couch cushions to see if I can send you any dinero.

Excuse me while I look through the cushions.

Posted by: FITP at January 20, 2014 04:58 PM (X5056)

420 Posted by: grammie winger at January 20, 2014 04:54 PM (P6QsQ)

That was written from a concentration camp cell just a couple of weeks before he was executed. Keep the faith.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 04:58 PM (346rt)

421 So giving the base red meat is evidence that he's insulting you, while refraining from giving the base red meat is evidence that he's a cocktail circuit milquetoast RINO pussy. So what can the guy do?

****

Thaaaaaank you

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:59 PM (DmNpO)

422 "182 Romney lost 5 states, each by approximately 100K votes. One hell of a coincidence that he lost just the right states, and just by a bare margin."

What if conservative voters have already concluded that the voting system is rigged and that there is no longer any point to voting. Why is this not being addressed or even mentioned in the MSM? Could it be because that was the whole point, you depress the conservative vote and then you don't have to cheat.

Posted by: Decaf at January 20, 2014 04:59 PM (mfXhH)

423 399 -


Aaaaaaaaaaand, there it is.

Let it go, Ace. It'll be good for your soul (and yes, you have a soul).

Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 04:59 PM (BeSEI)

424 The polls on average were right. If I remember correctly, you could have merely checked the RCP averages on election day and guessed 49 states correctly. The 50th, Florida, that Nate Silver got right was one he changed his opinion on at the last minute due to a poll that might actually have been faulty.A lot of people on our side, including the Stu Stevens, including the commenters here, including Michael Barone (who's probably forgotten more about politics than 99% of people will ever know), were discounting them because they showed a larger sampling of Democrats than was possible.The lesson: Always bet on the polls until proven otherwise. Yes, they will occasionally be wrong and have been in the past. However, that's the way to bet.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 04:49 PM (yC+hP)


-------------------------------------------


A person that I will listen to because he went contrary to everyone's opinion, even his boss when it came to predicting the winner.

Stu Regier (sp?) of the Glenn Beck show the day before the election predicted that the SCOAMT would win. I hated him for it, but he was right. I'll listen next time.

Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 04:59 PM (ycijm)

425 387 We're turning into a nation of children who expect to be taken care of. My response to people who think we should tax the Romneys of the world to give free stuff to the FSA is, "I'd rather Romney keep his money, than to have it go toward training able-bodied adults to be free-loaders."

I also go on about the "welfare mentality" where people screw up their lives, then think others should pay for their groceries and rent.
The term "welfare mentality" bothers middle class liberals who are supporting themselves. They really aren't big fans of people who live off food stamps and rent subsidies indefinitely.
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 20, 2014 04:51 PM (wVAX5)

+1000

We have this creepy wide-spread cultural mentality where "everybody's a victim." And it's extremely unhealthy for the individual and society as a whole for people to believe that they're being victimized and someone owes them because of that.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 20, 2014 04:59 PM (qFpRI)

426 Don't worry, my friends. All we need to do in order to avoid becoming a third-world country is import tens of millions of immigrants from third-world countries!

Posted by: John McCain at January 20, 2014 05:00 PM (i6/+j)

427 WITCHCRAFT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIZIBm2QGaM

Posted by: Frank Sinatra at January 20, 2014 05:01 PM (z64Z0)

428 Posted by: John McCain at January 20, 2014 05:00 PM (i6/+j)

***

Even this name now ruffles my feathers.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 05:01 PM (DmNpO)

429 Let's say Castle had won that primary and almost as soon as it was over O'Donnell had endorsed the Dem and all her supporters had taken every opportunity to publicly shit all over Castle. Would this conversation be identical towards Castle supporters today if that were the case, or would you be pissed as hell that the TrueCons didn't get in line and back the winner of the primary?
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 20, 2014 04:55 PM (qFpRI)

********

Actually there is a predicate for that.

She lost a previous election and split the Conservative vote in Delaware

in

2006


See also: United States Senate election in Delaware, 2006
O'Donnell ran in the Republican primary for the 2006 U.S. Senate election in Delaware.

In a 2006 interview for a campaign profile, O'Donnell told The News Journal that homosexuals have a psychological defect and that "Homosexuality is an identity adopted through societal factors."[37][38] During a primary debate against her Republican opponents, O'Donnell said that China could not be a friend of the U.S. because among other things, it forced women to have abortions and prohibited the reading of the Bible. She also said China was plotting to take over the United States, and that she had classified information which supported her claim.[39] She finished in third place,[40] with 17 percent of the vote, behind winner Jan C. Ting and second-place finisher Michael D. Protack.[41][42] She then ran in the general election against Ting and incumbent Senator Tom Carper as a write-in candidate, finishing with 11,127 votes, (4 percent of the total votes cast), a number that was considered remarkably large for a write-in and which gave her hope for the 2008 election.[8]

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 05:01 PM (RJMhd)

430
It is obviously still the case that within the
Tea Party the kinda-stupid machismo of claiming "We're never, ever
wrong, not ever, not even once!" ethos still prevails.





Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:52 PM (/FnUH)

I'd say that's not obviousl at all, unless you really are in contact with all the, I don't even know how many, tea party groups out there. That's just your pre-judged perception.



Unlike you, they do move on, you know.

Posted by: KG at January 20, 2014 05:01 PM (p7BzH)

431 Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."

Posted by: Mitt Rorschach at January 20, 2014 05:02 PM (rIk1N)

432 Stu Regier (sp?) of the Glenn Beck show the day before the election predicted that the SCOAMT would win. I hated him for it, but he was right. I'll listen next time.
Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 04:59 PM (ycijm)

Pollsters and pundits are like fortune tellers. People pay attention when they are proven right but the times when they were wrong are a distant memory.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:02 PM (m2CN7)

433 wow this is way too much talking about Delaware

the percentage of non-statists in DE is probably like 1-5%

and that's out of like what, 60 people living there now?

Posted by: Black Orchid at January 20, 2014 05:02 PM (EZNxq)

434 No foreign policy except appeasement, welfare nation, legalized drugs, open borders…..

I mean what could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 05:02 PM (nzKvP)

435 Hank Johnson, Sheila Jackson Lee, Allan Grayson.
The difference between ODonnel, Akin etc on these clowns????
Party support. THEY circle the wagons.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 04:51 PM (nELVU)


And more importantly, the Liberal Democrats who run the media industry deliberately refrain from reporting the idiot shit they say.


The Media is the lynchpin of power in this nation. They enable their own loons, and pounce mercilessly on ours.


Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 05:02 PM (bb5+k)

436 *Holds Ewok Doll Out*

"You're in a safe place Ace. Point to where the Tea Party touched you."

Posted by: Daybrother at January 20, 2014 05:03 PM (dOElM)

437 what?!!! Is anyone defending Christine O'Donnell as a serious contender in any election ? The woman is a sound bite extravaganza for the left. She is a goofy nut job who tried to parley Sarah Palin's popularity into a political career. Same as Michelle Bachmom. Small town nut wagon graduates...

Posted by: Regular Guy at January 20, 2014 05:03 PM (N3Al8)

438 >>>>I've become pretty well convinced that we need to stop all this America Is Dead As We Know It stuff.>>>>

When in danger or in doubt
Run in circles, scream and shout.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at January 20, 2014 05:03 PM (+rdD2)

439 That is my fear as well. Question: If you had to choose between Donk
socialism and a fascist no civil rights regime, which would you choose?


Sorry, I was out for a bit.

To answer your question, I'm not sure there's really a difference.

Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 05:03 PM (6TB1Z)

440 Aaaaaaaaaaand, there it is.

yeah

time for a break for me

the nation is not falling because of christine o'donnell

nor palin

I look at boehner, mccain, graham, ... actually, all of them, sans a handful from both sides

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 05:03 PM (IXrOn)

441 I rarely actually read much about the hated Tea Party these days. Ace talks about them more than anyone I read.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 05:03 PM (ZPrif)

442 I'm not rejecting the possibility that the vote fraud deliberately played to the Democrat oversamples in the polls.

We're talking about a difference of hundreds of thousands of votes across multiple states and multiple polls. Don't you think evidence would have come out about it by now? We thought Dems were ridiculous for thinking voter fraud occurred on a much less massive scale in 2004.

Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:03 PM (yC+hP)

443 *Holds Ewok Doll Out*



"You're in a safe place Ace. Point to where the Tea Party touched you."

-----

fuck

coffee out the nose......

Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 05:04 PM (nELVU)

444 Ultimately, the problem is a scientific one. That is, the scientific method of testing with evidence is completely thrown out by most of the population.

Even with evidence of failure on their own terms, they still insist on doubling down on the same dumb ideas.

Obamacare results in fewer people with health insurance? We haven't done enough of it yet.

Stimulus doesn't change the jobless rate (the % of people in the workforce is largely unchanged since 2009)? Not enough of it yet.

It's what makes me really fearful of the pot legalization. If there are widespread problems, people will refuse to see it.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 05:04 PM (xSegX)

445 The term "welfare mentality" bothers middle class liberals who are
supporting themselves. They really aren't big fans of people who live
off food stamps and rent subsidies indefinitely.


You'd never know that from the way they vote.

Posted by: HR at January 20, 2014 05:04 PM (hO8IJ)

446 Can't both sides be right. Cod was a mistake but does that lessen the conservative charge that too often the establishment takes its ball and goes home if it doesn't win.

Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 05:05 PM (3ky+E)

447 What is really hard for me personally is that my husband works very, very hard. Lots of travel, lots of nights when he doesn't get home til midnight.


And the government takes and takes and takes. It's very hard to feel like we're making the right decisions when we could just join up with the 47%ers

Posted by: Lauren at January 20, 2014 05:05 PM (hFL/3)

448
The left wing narrative is quite a powerful thing. It even convinces our own people.

Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 04:52 PM (u2a4R)


I've come to the point where I immediately doubt allegations made against any of our agents by the media.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 05:05 PM (bb5+k)

449
@420. Umberto Echo

Yes, I recognize it. I read some of his letters from prison. I also read the biography of Bonhoefer by Eric Metaxas, which is excellent, and heart wrenching.

Keep the faith we will. As Peter said to Jesus, - Lord, where else would we go?

Posted by: grammie winger at January 20, 2014 05:05 PM (P6QsQ)

450 I gotta say, Ace can take and give better than any other blogger I've seen.

Really shows what a whiny-ass little-boy-of-a-man Chuckie Johnson really is.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 05:05 PM (DmNpO)

451 We thought Dems were ridiculous for thinking voter fraud occurred on a much less massive scale in 2004.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:03 PM (yC+hP)

accept we have indictments and convictions in multiple states.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:06 PM (m2CN7)

452 If I were Chris Christie I would play up bridgeghazi as street cred for border enforcement policy.

Posted by: Regular Guy at January 20, 2014 05:06 PM (N3Al8)

453 Cod was a mistake but does that lessen the conservative charge that too
often the establishment takes its ball and goes home if it doesn't win.


See Lugar, Dick, aka "Obama's favorite Republican Senator."

Posted by: HR at January 20, 2014 05:06 PM (hO8IJ)

454 Wow,

This really is a Smart Military Blog TM

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at January 20, 2014 05:06 PM (W6iIX)

455 >>>And more importantly, the Liberal Democrats who run the media industry deliberately refrain from reporting the idiot shit they say.


and of course they're also running in heavily Democratic *DISTRICTS!!!* which are nearly a monoculture which the candidate is a part of.

They are not running statewide, in a state with a closer partisan divide, featuring a large number of cultures that must be appeased in order to win.

but let's ignore that and pretend that District races are just like Senate races.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:06 PM (/FnUH)

456
It's not like Romney was the Republican presidential candidate or anything and in a position to do something about this. You know, like fight fiercely and valorously for America.
What a pathetic dishrag -- the worst excuse for a nominee in my lifetime. But in another sense, he was perfect: the perfect tribune of a decadent and attenuated political party whose collapse can't come soon enough.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 20, 2014 05:06 PM (s/yC1)

457 We have this creepy wide-spread cultural mentality where "everybody's a victim." And it's extremely unhealthy for the individual and society as a whole for people to believe that they're being victimized and someone owes them because of that.

You can see it because everybody wants desperately to be a victim. The new thing is LGBT affirmative action because...why not? Earning 20% more than the general population makes you a victim somehow or something.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 05:06 PM (xSegX)

458 She is a goofy nut job who tried to parley Sarah Palin's popularity into a political career.


If only Sarah could figure out a way to do this...

Posted by: Skylined Caribou at January 20, 2014 05:06 PM (z64Z0)

459 we have indictments and convictions in multiple states.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:06 PM (m2CN7)


Cite please.

Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:07 PM (yC+hP)

460 Maybe I'm just reading the wrong sites. But the only place I ever see O'Donnell's name mentioned is here.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 05:07 PM (ZPrif)

461 If it wasn't for AoS, otther blogs, COD would be a footnote. Why she became a touchstone is beyond me, except that she was portrayed as a clown/witch to the type of people who find Bill Mayer insightful, and thus got a permanent ghetto pass.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2014 05:07 PM (ZshNr)

462 In light of all this, I think we should stop thinking of ourselves as conservatives. In case you haven't noticed, there's precious little left to conserve and what's left--the culture, the once great institutions, the federal government--belongs to the Left, and it's all been twisted and warped and perverted. So no, we're not conservatives. What we should be are American revolutionaries bravely facing down The Establishment and opposing The Man at every turn. That's what the Founders did. That's what we can do if we can find the balls for it.

All of this defeatism in the air has the effect of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Buck the fuck up.

Posted by: troyriser at January 20, 2014 05:07 PM (O66NZ)

463 264
Let a thousand Christine O'Donnell's bloom, I guess.





Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:31 PM (/FnUH)

Let a thousand Strawmen bloom, I see.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 20, 2014 05:07 PM (AWmfW)

464 damn it.

Precedent--ugh.

Edit:


Actually there is a *PRECEDENT* for that.

Christine O'Donnell lost a previous election and split the Conservative vote in Delaware

in

2006

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 05:07 PM (RJMhd)

465 In 2004, 88% of black voters voted for John Kerry. I guess they all were racists also.



"Ninja, please." Backatcha.



Posted by: baldilocks


No, just equestrians.

Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 05:07 PM (6TB1Z)

466 >>>>the other Problem Chowderhead>>>>

The Problem Chowderhead who cleaned up the Republican corruption in her state?

I seem to recall you were pretty hot on a guy who flamed out in months. All by himself. He didn't even need the entire global media establishment to paint him as an idiot over issues that didn't even exist.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at January 20, 2014 05:08 PM (+rdD2)

467 I'm sorry, there's nothing noble or dutiful or soul-expanding about dying in a concentration camp. If my enemies present me with this as an option, I will endeavor to kill my enemies. And I would say it God's face.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 20, 2014 05:08 PM (Ec6wH)

468 Can't both sides be right. Cod was a mistake but does that lessen the conservative charge that too often the establishment takes its ball and goes home if it doesn't win.
Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 05:05 PM (3ky+E)

That's what I said in my first post but the failure to recognize the betrayal by Castle and the rest of the GOP establishment is my sticking point. Its known as a conspiracy theory to ace.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:08 PM (m2CN7)

469 417 >>>he left can run Sheila Jackson Lee, Hank Johnson, Debbie
Whatshername Shultz, Tarantula Face, etc with nary a discouraging word
from the media.





I'm sorry, but for God's sake, this statement (and another like it earlier) demonstrates a complete lack of sophistication.



Any idiot can win in a DISTRICT with a huge supermajority for your party. The party pick wins the seat. That simple.



Statewide contests like Senate races are different.



Yeah, Christine O'Donnell could have won in a R+10 *District*
featuring a large proportion of Evangelicals. But not in a STATEWIDE
race in a D+10 state, for crying out loud.

------------------------------------------

And I agree - I phrased my argument badly. What I meant is that Dem control of the media puts Republicans at a distinct disadvantage (in a statewide race), even before you consider the candidates involved. It means that you can either 1) nominate someone that represents the political views of the constituency, or 2) nominate someone that can win. #1 is how you run O'Donnell in a Dem-majority state. #2 is how you get Chris Cristie. This is an old debate around here, and not one that is likely to be hashed out anytime soon.

In a statewide race, unless your party is a majority or very close to one, you need to start leaning towards #2 or you stand little chance of winning. Christine O'Donnell was a mistake - she was a "not GOP-establishment" candidate in a state that is solidly Democrat. A "perfect" Republican could maybe have won, but O'Donnell wasn't that candidate.

Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 05:08 PM (BAEzE)

470 Where is Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney when you need him to comment?

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 20, 2014 05:08 PM (pginn)

471 In light of all this, I think we should stop thinking of ourselves as conservatives. In case you haven't noticed, there's precious little left to conserve...


****

So, we aren't Preservatives?



HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 05:09 PM (DmNpO)

472 ****Breaking****

A and E is now cancelling Duck Dynasty and replacing it with a new reality show about life in the White House. The show is called Duck Responsibility

****End of Breaking News****

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at January 20, 2014 05:09 PM (W6iIX)

473 America tolerated a scoundrel in Clinton. Once he was reelected, it was all over. Clinton paved the way for TFG.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at January 20, 2014 04:55 PM (0HooB)


And the media was complicit in getting them both elected.


The media is the enabling power behind evil Presidents.


Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 05:09 PM (bb5+k)

474 447 What is really hard for me personally is that my husband works very, very hard. Lots of travel, lots of nights when he doesn't get home til midnight.


And the government takes and takes and takes. It's very hard to feel like we're making the right decisions when we could just join up with the 47%ers
Posted by: Lauren at January 20, 2014 05:05 PM (hFL/3)

Good Lord, this is my life, too, Lauren! Hubby works 12+ hours a day so we can make ends meet. We're doing everything we can to make good choices for our family, to ensure we eat healthy, get he kids a good education (we homeschool), pay our bill every month on time, not take on too much debt, etc and so on.

All the layabouts I know live it up on someone else's dime. Hubby hasn't taken a vacation since well before my kids were born.

I feel like we're punished for trying to do the right things instead of sitting on our asses and waiting for someone else to take care of us.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 20, 2014 05:09 PM (qFpRI)

475 You'd never know that from the way they vote.
Posted by: HR at January 20, 2014 05:04 PM (hO8IJ)


Racial guilt is burned, burned, burned into education from top to bottom. If blacks voted 30% Republican, the Democrat party would fall apart because all the warm fuzzies that white libs get for solidarity with the blacks would dissipate.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 05:09 PM (xSegX)

476
Three things continue to fuck us over in the Senate.

1- In the event of a primary, if the incumbent is tossed out, rather than having the party loyalty and grace to endorse the person who replaced him/her, they either outright refuse, or actively campaign for the other party out of pure spite. If they can't handle being replaced, they shouldn't run in the first fucking place. Grow a fucking pair, accept politics is ever-changing and you aren't entitled to shit.
2- In the event of a general election candidate botching something TERRIBLY, the RIGHT thing to do, if there is time, is to bow out, and let the party get someone in to cover up the err and win. But "on a mission from God"-types won't allow that.
3- In the event of a general election, the "next in line" got his spot to run...and doesn't bother to campaign. Great job there.
4- The state primary results in a candidate who, in the eyes of those NOT within the party, to put it kindly appears crazy. Gerrymandered districts can afford this (see the Dems with Grayson), but a statewide electorate, particularly in a swing state, views it as a bridge too far.
5- The primary is filled with diverse personalities, but candidates with absolutely no loyalty to the party. The primary is all that concerns them, and tearing down whomever is ahead the ultimate goal. The losers of the primary, after the smoke clears, laugh it all away, leaving a weakened candidate with little party enthusiasm heading into the general election.

We lost ND, MT, IN, MO, NV, CO, DE, & WI thanks to one or several of these.

Eight seats.
The difference between a 45-55 minority and a 53-47 majority.

No matter how great the Senate picture looks for us this year, don't feel confident about capturing it unless the polls are showing blowouts in six seats. The GOP can't seem to save itself from fucking up.

Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 05:09 PM (8arH0)

477 If it wasn't for AoS, otther blogs, COD would be a footnote

That's hot.

Posted by: Rex Ryan at January 20, 2014 05:09 PM (z64Z0)

478 Cite please.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:07 PM (yC+hP)

www.google.com

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:10 PM (m2CN7)

479 Even with evidence of failure on their own terms, they still insist on doubling down on the same dumb ideas.

Obamacare results in fewer people with health insurance? We haven't done enough of it yet.

Stimulus doesn't change the jobless rate (the % of people in the workforce is largely unchanged since 2009)? Not enough of it yet.



Communisim has never worked? MOAR!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 05:10 PM (uVkIH)

480 >>>I rarely actually read much about the hated Tea Party these days. Ace talks about them more than anyone I read.

because I consider them vital -- VITAL -- but they are not going to perform their required function if they continue to make jackassed decisions out of pique and protest.

At some point, if they wish to become a majority governing party, they must begin acting like a majority governing party. Not everything is about emotion and protest and messages; at some point, you gotta start thinking "Which races can I win outright, which are close enough to gamble on, and which are so lost to me that I have to content myself with a candidate I don't favor but who actually has a chance?"

Again, the Tea Party continues to treat this sort of thinking as anathema.

I agree wholeheartedly that Lindsey Graham should be primaried and defeated.

But Mark Kirk? Who's your candidate to win in Illinois, then?

If you have no answer to that question, but still just want to defeat Mark Kirk, you're not acting like a governing party, you're acting like a protest party, and it is not therefore surprising that you should be treated as such.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:10 PM (/FnUH)

481 All of this defeatism in the air has the effect of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Buck the fuck up.

Yep. Thanks, Troy

And I have read that Biography of Bonhoefffer, Grammie W, It is excellent.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (7kkQJ)

482 Oh, Sherman is now claiming racism on twitter and cloaking himself in MLK. Sweet.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (ZPrif)

483 Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 05:01 PM

I am seeing her political career in an entirely new light now. Personally I think she took herself too seriously. The whole witch thing was just a joke in most people's mind. I think the people of Delaware were more put off that she treated it as a serious issue, and therefore showed poor judgement and priorities, than the allegation itself. In hindsight, she should of aired an ad that had herself dressed in stereotypical witch attire, "stirring" a cartoon cauldron, THEN saying "I am not a witch. And if you say otherwise I'll turn you into a newt." Basically, had fun with it while also being "in" on the joke. It's hard to come across as a crazed fundamentalist when you're willing to joke about being a top tier pagan. Also, if see avoided the "Masturbation Police" kerfluffle. And didn't act like she was the Sword of God Himself.

Posted by: Captain_Cookie at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (qJPSp)

484 Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at January 20, 2014 05:08 PM (+rdD2)

----

Three reasons actually.

1. Too southern.
2. Too White
3. Too..... too..... ummmm....... too...... It'll come to me in a moment.....

Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (nELVU)

485 478 Cite please.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:07 PM (yC+hP)

www.google.com

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:10 PM (m2CN7)[i/]

Spare me. Do your own research. You made the claim.

Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (yC+hP)

486 I saw Chowderhead open up for Buckethead in Boulder in 2007.

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (z64Z0)

487 465
No, just equestrians.
Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 05:07 PM (6TB1Z)

Well-played. lol

Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (36Rjy)

488 italic fix

Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (yC+hP)

489 Imma gonna go out on a limb here and guess that Andrea Tarantos is wearing a push up bra today.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (DmNpO)

490 >>>>The left wing narrative is quite a powerful thing. It even convinces our own people.
>>>>

The two biggest leftist memes that even conservatives believe.

1. The Iraq war was an unmitigated disaster.

2. Palin is an idiot.

And the guy we ran for president in 2012 believed that Obama was a great orator and incredible debater.

I marvel at how eager people are to absorb others' opinions. It's terrifying.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at January 20, 2014 05:12 PM (+rdD2)

491 >>>fuck him for making me think he's going to run again in 2016.<<<<

Mitt "Adlai Stevenson" Romney.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at January 20, 2014 05:13 PM (P/gm7)

492 BTW, there was a Christine O'Donnell of the Left.

His name was Alvin Greene.

Now he didn't get national exposure for a primary upset (not really) but he's just as goofy and wrong for his state as she was.

And he got no national media coverage of any substance.

We had some fun here, but because of the media and the way it is, we forgot about him. In fact, I had to look up his name.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 05:13 PM (xSegX)

493 Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:10 PM (/FnUH)

Perhaps this is the divide.

I never considered the Tea Party anything near a majority party.
I considered it an attempt to pull the republican party towards "fiscally conservative."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 20, 2014 05:13 PM (GaqMa)

494 >>>I seem to recall you were pretty hot on a guy who flamed out in months. All by himself. He didn't even need the entire global media establishment to paint him as an idiot over issues that didn't even exist.

yes but I don't insist that he didn't flame out, or that he was actually BRILLIANT when he forgot the third department or agency he'd shut down, or the host of other things people do when they maintain that Sarah Palin is just Teh Awesome.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:13 PM (/FnUH)

495
Nope, nothing in the couch cushions.

Must be ball kicking time.

Romney was an "oh so electable" fraud.

Posted by: FITP at January 20, 2014 05:13 PM (X5056)

496 Oh, Sherman is now claiming racism on twitter and cloaking himself in MLK. Sweet.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (ZPrif)

Well he is only mimicking that prick in the White House

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 05:13 PM (nzKvP)

497 You only have to be depressed if you think that you HAVE to follow the rules when competing against people that don't follow the rules.

Obey the law publicly, even if the democong/statist trash doesnt
Think outside the box, even if the term is cliched
Organize locally with trusted communications, coordinate nationally - not publicy
Get off your ass and learn how to use TOR, anonymous wifi, etc etc
Cash is king
Undertsand how you are monitored, and how to operate outside that.
Study, know who your enemy is

Finally, I'm not advocating anything illegal here, think about how things will turn out if push comes to shove and take heart

Posted by: just passin by at January 20, 2014 05:13 PM (A9KzJ)

498 "...this may be the long slow sinking of the ship, the looting phase of an Empire which has rotted from within, a period in which not enough people are creating wealth, because banditry is now so lucrative (and state-sponsored)."


Rotted from within and legislative looting is correct, but the ship going down won't be slow at all. It will happen relatively quickly.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at January 20, 2014 05:13 PM (ZzGK+)

499 Coumo for kicking all conservatives out of NY

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 05:14 PM (nzKvP)

500 469 -

A case could be made that this is exactly the type of race where, if you know the Dems outnumber you badly, you find a conservative who is willing to run, even though he or she is almost always going to lose, and you pound the Dems on every issue you can think of, to make the conservative case.

If you decide you want to run RINOs in these races, then sure. You might win some of them, but to what end? Right now you have 45 Rs in the Senate, and on any given issue they are, as a body, unable to exert ANY sort of power.

Why? RINOs.

I don't see how having another one of them makes any difference.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 05:14 PM (BeSEI)

501 Mandy P, exactly!

And really, I wonder if that's is part of the problem. How many people *were* like us and then decided to say "screw it" and became moochers?


Remember that chart that shows that you have to make something like 69K/yr to be better off than someone on welfare? That is so incredibly screwed up that I don't even know where to start.

There's got to be people going soft Galt. I'm willing to bet that the horrific workforce participation rate is reflective of this.

Posted by: Lauren at January 20, 2014 05:14 PM (hFL/3)

502 italic fix


Spaghetti is always a good choice.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 05:14 PM (uVkIH)

503
>> 491. Mitt "Adlai Stevenson" Romney.


No. Romney makes Adlai Stevenson look like Teddy Roosevelt.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 20, 2014 05:15 PM (s/yC1)

504 Coumo for kicking all conservatives out of NY

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 05:14 PM (nzKvP)

---
Which Coumo??

Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 05:15 PM (nELVU)

505 Metaxas is one of my favorites, as is Bonhoeffer himself. I wish both were more widely read and discussed by conservatives, especially in the context of the Christian's relationship to a hostile, malevolent State.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 05:15 PM (346rt)

506 Pollsters and pundits are like fortune tellers. People pay attention when they are proven right but the times when they were wrong are a distant memory.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:02 PM (m2CN7)


--------------------------------------------------


Let's just say I'm going to be more suspicious of polls more than I have been. And that's a lot. I know how I will vote and will try to convince others to vote like me. Otherwise, the polls can go to hell. In the vast scheme of things, I don't think very many elections will be going toward the conservative end of the equation.

Someone mentioned the 47%ers upthread. That was in 2012 or earlier. I think it's gone beyond 50% now. And that doesn't bode well for people encouraging the populace to vote for them so they'll be able to get a job and "work".

Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 05:15 PM (ycijm)

507 Can't both sides be right. Cod was a mistake but does that lessen the
conservative charge that too often the establishment takes its ball and
goes home if it doesn't win.


The mythical (nobody seems able to define it) establishment does not have infinite resources and influence. Why waste those resources doubling down on somebody else's mistake?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 20, 2014 05:16 PM (SY2Kh)

508 Coumo for kicking all conservatives out of NY

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 05:14 PM (nzKvP)

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Which Coumo??
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 05:15 PM (nELVU)


Does it matter? But for the record, the Gov

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 05:16 PM (nzKvP)

509 Rick Perry worked the political glory hole to duke Al Gore some sweet campaign money, and he was apparently forgiven by the TP. They can't be all bad.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2014 05:16 PM (ZshNr)

510 499 Coumo for kicking all conservatives out of NY
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 05:14 PM (nzKvP)


Yeah, I kinda thought that would merit a post here, but it did happen on Friday, I think.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 05:16 PM (xSegX)

511 Spare me. Do your own research. You made the claim.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (yC+hP)

How hard is it for you to google ' democrat convicted of voter irregularities' instead of mewasting my time posting tiny.urls on news items which are as common as the weather report.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:17 PM (m2CN7)

512 We need to seek out as many good candidates for the Senate as we can. The ideal qualifications are:

1. White Male
2. Over 50
3. In politics in one form or another their entire adult life.
4. Millionaire + with no obvious source for their wealth.
5. Must be from the Northeast
6. Must be an Ivy League graduate
7. Must pledge to always vote with the Democrats at every opportunity.
8. Must not have an opinion on anything.
9. Must not believe in anything.
10. Must kow tow to the national press by, among other things, repeating platitudes created by the national press.

Together, we can take back the country.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at January 20, 2014 05:17 PM (G7Yr9)

513
A case could be made


...that The Knack is the most important Rock and Roll Band in history.

Really.

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 05:17 PM (z64Z0)

514 Coumo for kicking all conservatives out of NY


Only if he promises to erect a fence and not let dems out. Not even to visit. Over/under on Tiajuana status?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 05:17 PM (uVkIH)

515
Our focus should be on 2014, not 2010.

Do any of you remember how the D's won big in 2006? They got people to the polls for one reason: Stop Bush. Voters went to the polls for a purpose: to give control of Congress to Democrats.

Democrats ran on, get this, being fiscally responsible! And torture!

The torture issue was pure political genius. No American really cared about torturing or waterboarding terror suspects, but the Democrats created an issue that the stupid Republicans would trip over themselves to run away from.

Anyway, the reason the result of the '14 elections will the same as the '12 elections, i.e., status quo, is because R's aren't giving voters a reason for Change.


Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 05:18 PM (gYIst)

516 How hard is it for you to google ' democrat convicted of voter irregularities' instead of mewasting my time posting tiny.urls on news items which are as common as the weather report.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:17 PM (m2CN7)


Dude, it's not my job to back up your arguments. If it's easy, you can do it.

Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:18 PM (yC+hP)

517 We're talking about a difference of hundreds of thousands of votes across multiple states and multiple polls. Don't you think evidence would have come out about it by now? We thought Dems were ridiculous for thinking voter fraud occurred on a much less massive scale in 2004.

Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:03 PM (yC+hP)


The Chicago Mafioso is running things now. As we've seen plenty of evidence of his usage of governmental agencies to attack and punish his enemies, it is not far fetched to contemplate the possibility that he leaned on the right people to stuff ballot boxes in his favor.


Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 05:18 PM (bb5+k)

518 The mythical (nobody seems able to define it) establishment does not have infinite resources and influence. Why waste those resources doubling down on somebody else's mistake?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 20, 2014 05:16 PM (SY2Kh)

They wasted their time endorsing the Democrat.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:18 PM (m2CN7)

519 Imma gonna go out on a limb here and guess that Andrea Tarantos is wearing a push up bra today.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (DmNpO)

she just got married, preggers?

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at January 20, 2014 05:18 PM (W6iIX)

520 503 -

No, Teddy Roosevelt makes Adlai Stevenson look like William Jennings Bryan.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 05:18 PM (BeSEI)

521 So the GOP thought it was important to runa a candidate who didn't think he could win and didn't think the Republic could survive... why?

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 20, 2014 05:19 PM (XO6WW)

522
Oh, Sherman is now claiming racism on twitter and cloaking himself in MLK. Sweet.

No death threats, yet?
Soon, then.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 05:20 PM (gYIst)

523 I seriously wish Rick Perry could be given a mulligan.

Posted by: Paul at January 20, 2014 05:20 PM (9qDRl)

524 she just got married, preggers?
Posted by: The Obvious Sock at January 20, 2014 05:18 PM (W6iIX)


Who said she got married?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 05:20 PM (nzKvP)

525 I don't know. Things seemed pretty dark in 1975 too. I don't think we'll get another Reagan, but Reagan didn't rescue America by himself. America shifted back to sanity as lefty promises grew stale.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at January 20, 2014 05:20 PM (Lp6I1)

526 she just got married, preggers?


***

Dunno. It would seem early for them to be popping like that.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 05:20 PM (DmNpO)

527 482 Oh, Sherman is now claiming racism on twitter and cloaking himself in MLK. Sweet.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (ZPrif)

Getting called the n word will do that. Why, on the last thread of that topic, some nonregular on that thread compare his braggadocio to playing the knockout game. Can't imagine why.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 05:20 PM (36Rjy)

528 >>>And so what now?

Want some matches ace?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at January 20, 2014 05:20 PM (0q2P7)

529 Well Mr. Romney, teh peoples thought binders were very important. Next time use Trapper Keepers, not Binders!

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at January 20, 2014 05:20 PM (9Bdcz)

530 Imma gonna go out on a limb here and guess that Andrea Tarantos is wearing a push up bra today.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (DmNpO)


Whatever it is, its working.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at January 20, 2014 05:20 PM (FMbng)

531 Posted by: Lauren at January 20, 2014 05:14 PM (hFL/3)

I know several capable folks who have been out of work, maxing out the UE benefits, because they couldn't get a cushy-enough job. I'm talking about folks who have worked in serious big, national name businesses who were laid off in corporate downsizing, who had enough money to support themselves without assistance but wouldn't do so, and who refused to take a job they thought was lesser than what they deserved.

We won't do something like that out of principle. It's wrong to take from others when you can do for yourself, period. Having a job is better than having no job. And that's what I'm teaching the kiddos. I hope it makes a difference in the next generation.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 20, 2014 05:20 PM (qFpRI)

532 @521

Because "electable."

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 05:20 PM (346rt)

533 I seriously wish Rick Perry could be given a mulligan.

***

I would gladly allow him a do-over

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 05:21 PM (DmNpO)

534 I seriously wish Rick Perry could be given a mulligan.
Posted by: Paul at January 20, 2014 05:20 PM (9qDRl)

shit happens

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 20, 2014 05:21 PM (nzKvP)

535 Chowderhead--is that an East Coast thingy?


Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 05:21 PM (RJMhd)

536 SO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 05:21 PM (nzKvP)

537 Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 05:18 PM (bb5+k

While entirely possible, unless we fine a smoking gun (possibly literally in this case) the American public will not likely wake up to this possibility.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 20, 2014 05:21 PM (GaqMa)

538

You got your head in my chowder!

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 05:21 PM (RJMhd)

539 Maria Conchita Alonzo thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 05:21 PM (DmNpO)

540
but let's ignore that and pretend that District races are just like Senate races.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:06 PM (/FnUH)


I am aware that Senate races are much more difficult than house races. That is not my point. My point is that Democrats would have been shielded from the stupid things they say, whether it be a House or Senate race.


Once more, my argument is that the greatest threat we face is one party control of the information distribution system.


Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 05:22 PM (bb5+k)

541 <<525
Exactly! Democrats coming across as hapless imbeciles who sell a bill of goods to the public and never deliver. That is also what's happening now. That is why we are on the cusp of our biggest chance yet to take the country in a more liberty friendly direction.

Posted by: Captain_Cookie at January 20, 2014 05:22 PM (qJPSp)

542 Who said she got married?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 05:20 PM (nzKvP)

She did, AT

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at January 20, 2014 05:22 PM (W6iIX)

543 Nood.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 05:22 PM (uVkIH)

544 The torture issue was pure political genius. No American really cared about torturing or waterboarding terror suspects, but the Democrats created an issue that the stupid Republicans would trip over themselves to run away from.

Can anybody, even on the left, articulate what was so horrifically terrible about George Bush anyway?

I mean, there are objections that I'm sure that they had but, given Obama's policies, I don't see what the wide gulf difference is.

BTW, there's a problem with applying this tactic to Obama -- he's black. I know we mock the "They only hate me because I'm black" attitude of Obama, but to get vicious, personal and ad hominem against Obama would never be stood for because he's a black Democrat.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 05:23 PM (xSegX)

545 Look folks. Police state? Try the USA-CSA near-police states during the Civil War. Both governments suspended habeus corpus during the Civil War, or the Wilson administration's ruthless application of sedition law during WWI. As for socialism, FDR. The US is ALWAYS changing. We are a people of the future, not the past. Our eyes are always focused on the distant horizon. As for Romney, you didn't hear or see anything approaching his current concerns during the campaign. You heard it from Palin, of course, but Mitt wouldn't even let her speak at the 2012 convention.

Posted by: mrp at January 20, 2014 05:23 PM (JBggj)

546 Dude, it's not my job to back up your arguments. If it's easy, you can do it.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:18 PM (yC+hP)

DUDE its not that its easy, its the freaking news. I'm not making an argument , I'm relaying news. If you don't watch the news , then I'm not going to repeat it for you.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:23 PM (m2CN7)

547 "Electable" is as electable does. Santorum was the only real surprise challenger in the Primaries, everyone else fell apart on their own long before the General.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2014 05:24 PM (ZshNr)

548 >>>...that The Knack is the most important Rock and Roll Band in history.


how so? I've been reading about the Knack and power pop lately. The Knack was obviously HUGE for one season. What, summer of 79?

But then there was a backlash against them for being SOOOO huge, and then power pop went into decline.

Their follow up single "Good Girls Don't" failed do much on the charts. And no one really heard from them again.

So what's your angle here?

Now I love My Sharona. Love it. One of my favorite singles of all time.

But how are they terribly important? They could have been the tip of the spear for a new power pop wave, but that didn't even happen-- power pop got discredited and marginalized.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:24 PM (/FnUH)

549 Ted Cruz. That's what's next.

If establishment Republicans do not destroy him, first.

Posted by: Kirk at January 20, 2014 05:24 PM (GBnWt)

550 If only Sarah could figure out a way to do this...
Posted by: Skylined Caribou at January 20, 2014 05:06 PM (z64Z0)
Yeah SP cashed in for sure but at least she did it honestly and is beholden to no one. I read a quote from her two days ago stating how it would be great to have two women run for Pres in 16' . I like her killer instinct she goes for the jugular. She was gloating out loud about Katie Couric's shows being canceled and her dismal failure! I love it!!!

Posted by: Regular Guy at January 20, 2014 05:24 PM (N3Al8)

551 The Chicago Mafioso is running things now. As
we've seen plenty of evidence of his usage of governmental agencies to
attack and punish his enemies, it is not far fetched to contemplate the
possibility that he leaned on the right people to stuff ballot boxes in
his favor.







Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 05:18 PM (bb5+k)

----
I dont think that ballot boxes were stuffed. Let me explain.

I remember some DNC pukes bragging about their turnout the day after Romney lost. "We knew who our supporters were, where they live, what their hot button were, and how to get them to the polls".
All this "meta-data" that's getting collected??? Emails, txt mssgs, calls, browser histories. Ever wonder where the DNC got their voter data from????
All that data.... yet we couldnt stop the Speed Bump Brothers.... even AFTER the Russians tip us off face to face???

Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 05:25 PM (nELVU)

552 Romney is a liar, religious nut and stooped. We are lucky to have President Obama as our leader. Romney hated blacks because how many Mormans are black? Not many in such a racist religion.

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at January 20, 2014 05:27 PM (iB0Q2)

553 I am aware that Senate races are much more difficult than house races. That is not my point. My point is that Democrats would have been shielded from the stupid things they say, whether it be a House or Senate race.

Alvin Greene.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 05:27 PM (xSegX)

554 Posted by: mrp at January 20, 2014 05:23 PM (JBggj)

People of the future? If you don't learn from your mistakes you are doomed to repeat them..

Posted by: Regular Guy at January 20, 2014 05:27 PM (N3Al8)

555 I wanted Romney to win, and was depressed that he did not, however, I am convinced that had he won, the wheels were already set up for the Federal Reserve to "decide" it was imperative to raise interest rates, thereby throwing the economy into free fall. I also think that Obama won only because of wide spread cheeting, so I think a lot more people are aware of what is happening, and voted accordingly. Unfortunately the cheating won.

Posted by: Chilling the most at January 20, 2014 05:27 PM (gxtMZ)

556 #545
Doesn't matter. When the governed no longer trusts nor approves of the government, the government is a tyranny. We have crossed the Rubicon and there is nothing to see ahead but scarlet and smoke.

America is dead. The Republic has fallen.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at January 20, 2014 05:29 PM (UfYXk)

557
Q: Is the glass half empty or half full?
A: Are you going to be drinking or are will you be pouring?

Posted by: Speller at January 20, 2014 05:29 PM (J74Py)

558 Whip it Good!

I think garrett was doing a thinly veiled critique...

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 05:30 PM (RJMhd)

559
Rotted from within and legislative looting is correct, but the ship going down won't be slow at all. It will happen relatively quickly.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at January 20, 2014 05:13 PM (ZzGK+)



Collapse is an exponential function.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 05:30 PM (bb5+k)

560 496 Oh, Sherman is now claiming racism on twitter and cloaking himself in MLK. Sweet.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (ZPrif)

Well he is only mimicking that prick in the White House
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 05:13 PM (nzKvP)

You know, at another site, I was called a leftist for defending the right of A&E to fire Phil Robertson. I understand why; most were playing the odds, as my photo was next to my comment, and most people are ignorant and unable to reason things through. Most know nothing about rights of individuals or corporations. And most will attack upon the slightest disagreement.

I expect knee jerk reactions at other sites. Not this one.

The man got called the n word over and over again--along with many other racially-tinged epithets--for something innocuous. I think he's reacting with quite a bit of restraint.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 05:30 PM (36Rjy)

561 This interesting times shit blows monkey chunks.


Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 20, 2014 03:58 PM (Gk3SS)
=====================================I think that alex has hit the nail on the head. That comment will get posted on my cubicle wall at work. At least until I get sent for reeducation for my doubleplus ungood thoughts.

Posted by: Physics Geek at January 20, 2014 05:30 PM (llWHs)

562 The Chicago Mafioso is running things now. As we've seen plenty of evidence of his usage of governmental agencies to attack and punish his enemies, it is not far fetched to contemplate the possibility that he leaned on the right people to stuff ballot boxes in his favor.

In Republican states? Yes, yes it is.


DUDE its not that its easy, its the freaking news. I'm not making an argument , I'm relaying news. If you don't watch the news , then I'm not going to repeat it for you.

Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:23 PM (m2CN7)


You're making an argument and offering no supporting evidence.

If this is so easy to find, is it really that difficult for you to do so?

You're saying it wouldn't take me much time to find and yet think it would take too much of you're time just to find it and post here.

Here.

I did a Google search of "2012 'voter fraud' indictment."

I turned up a few pieces on people being indicted. You're welcome.

Unfortunately, the results the search turned up were mostly Republicans.

I'm perfectly willing to believe the Dems engaged in voter fraud. I personally know of this happening in Philadelphia in 2004.

However, if you want to make the argument that they did this, and did it on anywhere near the scale that would have been necessary to win in 2012, you'll have to do your own homework.

Part of winning (and part of being a grown-up) requires being able to admit why we lose and not just resorting to "the other side cheated."

Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:31 PM (yC+hP)

563 I'm gonna say Tarantos is wearing a Wonderbra™.

All I want is a candidate that reflects my radical ideas of a small central government that is constrained by the Constitution and actually follows the BoRs.

BTW Remember when Romney brought up Benghazi in the debate and Obama said he had always called it a terrorist attack? Candy Crowley held up a piece of paper and said, "It's true. The transcript says so."
A reasonable candidate would have stopped right there on National television and asked who gave her the transcript before the debate, why she felt that as an impartial moderator she had to back up the President and finally demand she read it out loud because he already was familiar with the BS Obama said that day in the Garden.
A Tea Party backed candidate would do something like that IMO.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 20, 2014 05:32 PM (50HUs)

564 Random musings....

Romney would have been a much better president than his candidacy indicated. (I know, meaningless.)

The socialists took over the educational system and the media and turned both into indoctrination systems. That's where we lost the country.

When I was young, we had some statesmen. They are so rare today they have no effect on the corrupt politicians, which are now the majority of "public servants".

Yes, the tipping point has passed.

Europe demonstrates that the slow slide can last a long time.

I feel badly for young people. My opportunities were tremendous, theirs are starkly limited in comparison. In my heyday, if you were willing to work a plan and invest in the future, financial independence was there for the taking. Today, it can still be achieved, but it's much more difficult and fewer will achieve it.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 20, 2014 05:33 PM (1Y+hH)

565 Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:24 PM (/FnUH)


Simple. They killed disco.

They slayed that coked up gay dragon and freed us all. That's how.

After 'My Sharona' you never heard disco again. The radio floodgates opened. We heard guitar solos, again.

I'd guess a good 1/3 of the Morons got their first touch of side-boob while awkwardly slow dancing to 'Oh Tara'.

oh, and 'Good Girls Don't'.

That's the best song on 'Gwt the Knack'.

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 05:34 PM (z64Z0)

566 This is where having the media in the tank for the Dems really hurts us. We couldn't get a Christine O'Donnell elected (not that we should have - she was nuts) because the media will run "crazy COD" stories 24/7. The left can run Sheila Jackson Lee, Hank Johnson, Debbie Whatshername Shultz, Tarantula Face, etc with nary a discouraging word from the media.

The GOP is thus forced to field the "perfect" candidate, an animal that has never existed on this Earth and isn't likely to spring into existence any time soon.
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 04:56 PM (BAEzE)

What really hurts us is having a party that refuses to support those "perfect' candidates. It isn't like the GOP isn't aware that they are on a disadvantage starting out of the gate with both the media and the "self responsibility" message. They NEED to provide alternatives. Obamacare is the perfect example. When was the last time you actual heard a GOP give an intelligent, short example of what they would DO instead regarding health insurance if ObamaCare was repealed. Besides say " sell insurance across state lines"? Everyone thinks insurance is 1. too expensive, so who cares if they can buy it out of Idaho 2. Insurance continues to be painted by the Dems , even as we speak, as evil rich white corporations who will deny you care and raise your deductibles. Ask most people on the street why insurance has gone up in cost and see what they tell you...greedy insurance , must get rid of, want the government to provide health care to everyone, like they do in Canada.

I have yet to hear a GOP explain in two or three sentences, that they would allow insurance companies to sell policies tailored to people's circumstances across state lines, which would create a large number of companies fighting for an individual's business.

How hard is that?

Posted by: Jen at January 20, 2014 05:36 PM (4t/Y9)

567 562
Part of winning (and part of being a grown-up) requires being able to admit why we lose and not just resorting to "the other side cheated."Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:31 PM (yC+hP)

They don't need to cheat. Not any more.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 20, 2014 05:36 PM (m2Izr)

568 'Get the Knack', obviously.

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 05:36 PM (z64Z0)

569 Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at January 20, 2014 05:27 PM (iB0Q2)

Obama hates blacks.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 05:37 PM (xSegX)

570 >>>496 Oh, Sherman is now claiming racism on twitter and cloaking himself in MLK. Sweet.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (ZPrif)

Well he is only mimicking that prick in the White House
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 05:13 PM (nzKvP)


...

it's one thing to accuse someone of "Crying Racism" when no racism is present, but when a guy had a deluge of "N*gger" and "monkey" and "ape" tweets sent his way, it's a bit too much to hear people claiming he's "cloaking himself in racism" or whatever.

You know, it's one thing to argue against *spurious* claims of racism, but to also argue against *accurate* claims of racist treatment is to either deny racism exists or to suggest something all the lines of "Well it's true, isn't it?"

Baldilocks has it right: KNEE. JERK.

Let's think for three seconds before we all just join our respective Racial Teams, huh?

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:38 PM (/FnUH)

571 My dad (86 years old) said in 2008, "I feel like I've lost my country."

This is exactly what he was talking about: the Pinkos have taken over and so brainwashed the American citizenry -- excuse me, the "US PERSONS" according to effwad Hussein -- that they vote for Pinkos en masse.

Another thing: when we saw that the majority of Republican politicians not only don't have the balls to fight Obamacare, but they're IN on it, well.

The Leftist/Pinkos have committed one outrage after another, behaved lawlessly, and have gotten ZERO punishments for it. They know now that they are free to LOOT the country.

Ain't no sheriff in town, folks. We are in the hands of the power-crazed Leftwing Nutjobs.

Posted by: Beverly at January 20, 2014 05:38 PM (XsU8b)

572 Part of winning (and part of being a grown-up)
requires being able to admit why we lose and not just resorting to "the
other side cheated."


Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:31 PM (yC+hP)

Putting aside the advocacy of the media against the right and for the left, putting aside any voter fraud issues, and even putting aside the fact that the GOP has terrible, terrible candidates and campaign professionals (both McCain and Romney's campaigns were abysmal and nobody who worked for either should ever be hired again) a big part of why "we" lose is that a significant percentage of Americans (truly more than 1/2) want free stuff from the gov't and believe gov't should take care of all of its problems. Probably about 40% or so are absolutist on this score, with another 10-15% rationalizing these choices and pretending that they are voting based on some other basis.

A bigger part of why we lose is that even when "we" win, that just means the GOP wins and the GOP just consolidates the left's gains and increases the size and scope of gov't (including introducing new entitlements) at a slightly slower pace than the DNC would have.
So, not sure we ever really "win". We slow it down a little from time to time, but we never stop it or reverse it.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 20, 2014 05:39 PM (sOx93)

573 This really pisses me off. I gave Romney a pass as I thought he was a fundamentally decent person who did not quite understand who he was up against. He understood perfectly, and just resigned himself to us losing. Totally, totally unacceptable, and his father, who he reveres and constantly measures himself to, would have fought by whatever means necessary to beat President* TFG.

Posted by: motion view (@motionview) at January 20, 2014 05:39 PM (e6TyM)

574 Ace, have you read the book "Hitmen"? At least I think that was the name as it has been years since I read it. It is the true story of how pay-for-play promoters took over radio play in the late '70s and early '80s. Very important in the evolution of '80s music.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 20, 2014 05:40 PM (Ei3N+)

575 You know what?

America has been disappointing me since the 60s.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 20, 2014 05:40 PM (V70Uh)

576 >>>Simple. They killed disco.

They slayed that coked up gay dragon and freed us all. That's how.

...

seems unlikely to me. Disco was killed by its own backlash, wasn't it? Weren't there radio stations (particularly in the Rock Lives Forever midwest) staging ritual murders of disco records and such?

Wouldn't the disco backlash be attributable to harder, less-poppy acts than the Knack?

like wouldn't metal-heads have been the types who most hated disco? Would pop acts like The Knack or glam acts like Cheap Trick really hate disco all that much?

And I don't mean those bands per se, I mean their fans.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:41 PM (/FnUH)

577 573 This really pisses me off. I gave Romney a pass as I thought he was a fundamentally decent person who did not quite understand who he was up against. He understood perfectly, and just resigned himself to us losing. Totally, totally unacceptable, and his father, who he reveres and constantly measures himself to, would have fought by whatever means necessary to beat President* TFG.
Posted by: motion view (@motionview) at January 20, 2014 05:39 PM (e6TyM)

********

I think maybe you will have to judge what is quoted in its entire context.

Maybe he is trying to do the only thing left--

give everyone the final reality check.

Now is not the time for frivolous things.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 05:42 PM (RJMhd)

578 >>> Ace, have you read the book "Hitmen"? At least I think that was the name as it has been years since I read it. It is the true story of how pay-for-play promoters took over radio play in the late '70s and early '80s. Very important in the evolution of '80s music.

nope. but i hope you don't mean "My Sharona" was a payola hit.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:42 PM (/FnUH)

579 It wasn't my fault, the Establishment stabbed me in the back!

Posted by: Todd Akin at January 20, 2014 05:44 PM (K2XO3)

580 @559 D-Lamp

"Collapse is an exponential function."



Indeed. I do believe even if Romeny had won, he wouldn't have been able to stop the hemorraging even if he wanted too. We have already crossed the economic rubicon and with the buffoonery of the Obama adminstration in international affairs, the world is a much less safer place and everyone (outside of American LIVs, CA and the NYC-DC corridor) knows it.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at January 20, 2014 05:45 PM (ZzGK+)

581 We warned you.

Posted by: The Founding Fathers in Unison at January 20, 2014 05:46 PM (rIk1N)

582 nope. but i hope you don't mean "My Sharona" was a payola hit.

Posted by: ace


No, not at all. It is just a good resource if you are reading about the music business of the '80s.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 20, 2014 05:47 PM (HbBXz)

583 I am not saying the argument to be made that the Knack is the most important Rock and Roll band of all time is the correct argument, Ace.

I am just saying it can be made.

For some reason they had the single that struck the death blow to the Disco. That's the funny thing about dynamic equilibrium, the dumbest or most unlikely things can set it off.

'My Sharona' just happened to be the single that seemed to do it.

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 05:48 PM (z64Z0)

584 The GOP Establishment's eye turn to Mitt after the Governor Donuts' flame-out. Yawn.

Posted by: mrp at January 20, 2014 05:48 PM (JBggj)

585 I dont think that ballot boxes were stuffed. Let me explain.



Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 05:25 PM (nELVU)


I used the term "stuffing ballot boxes" as a metaphor for all illicit methods which may have been employed to tamper with the voting results, to include "losing" the military service absentee ballots and such.


Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 05:48 PM (bb5+k)

586 You know, it's one thing to argue against *spurious* claims of racism, but to also argue against *accurate* claims of racist treatment is to either deny racism exists or to suggest something all the lines of "Well it's true, isn't it?"

Baldilocks has it right: KNEE. JERK.

Let's think for three seconds before we all just join our respective Racial Teams, huh?

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:38 PM (/FnUH)

Thanks, ace.

As many here have pointed out, the person in the White House and his henchmen have sown so much discord--cried so much "wolf"--that many will react accordingly.

A little assistance: getting called foul racial names for talking loudly is out of bounds. And defending oneself with the mildest of responses is not.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 05:48 PM (36Rjy)

587 i hope you don't mean "My Sharona" was a payola hit.


The worst bar-fight I ever saw started off with that accusation.

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 05:50 PM (z64Z0)

588 Not with swords and guns but with SNAP and SSDI.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 20, 2014 05:50 PM (/djtm)

589 wasn't the late seventies a time of rock primacy, despite the competition from disco?

Post 1980 didn't rock DECLINE rather than rebound as garrett claims?

Who dominated the 80s? I don't remember rock per se dominating. I remember new wave/new romantic/british R&B/pop acts dominating the 80s.

With exceptions, of course.

But "rock" didn't return as a major cultural force until 1992 (Nevermind by Nirvana), and that itself burned out after 3-4 years. It also wasn't as big then as it had been in the 70s.

When you think of "Classic Rock," 90% of it was recorded 1970-1979.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:50 PM (/FnUH)

590 In Republican states? Yes, yes it is.

Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:31 PM (yC+hP)


The election wasn't lost in Republican states, it was lost in states such as Pennsylvania.


It was especially lost in the big city urban areas of the various states. Area's where unions and Democrats have exceptional influence.


Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 05:52 PM (bb5+k)

591 True story. He may not look it, but Prescott Niles is a stone cold killer.

His fret hand is registered as a lethal weapon.

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 05:52 PM (z64Z0)

592 That election was the turning point.. or maybe I should say the fail-safe point.. or whatever they call it when the plan has reached the point of no return.We can't stop it now. Maybe a perfect "storm" of GOP wins this year along with a GOP win in 2016 for the White House might do something.. but it will be damn hard.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 20, 2014 03:50 PM (f9c2L)

I can not see any perfect storm of GOP wins unless the Old Bulls /establishment repubs stop attacking their base and/or we can replace enough of them in congress to stop them fromattacking the few actual conservative representatives senators. I will not vote for any squish candidates pushed onto us by RINOs. Period.

Posted by: EyeTest at January 20, 2014 05:52 PM (y4BCI)

593 >>>No, not at all. It is just a good resource if you are reading about the music business of the '80s.

uch, wouldn't want to read about it. What little I know I know from Hit and Run, the story of Jon Peters and Peter Guber. They had been executives with Casablanca Records before becoming movie producers.

What I know, basically, is that it is the scumbaggiest business in all of entertainment.

And entertainment is all pretty scumbaggy so that's impressive.

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:52 PM (/FnUH)

594 Posted by: Beverly at January 20, 2014 05:38 PM (XsU8b)


ITA. Just want to point out, however, that, for many decades, the term 'U.S. Persons' is standard intel speak for anyone in the U.S. who we aren't *supposed* to be surveilling. BHO and the rest of the Left didn't invent the term.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 05:52 PM (36Rjy)

595 I'm going to see your Knack hypothesis and raise you the Clash.

Rock the Casbah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 05:53 PM (RJMhd)

596 Hair bands, Metal, DiY Punk.

...all thrived from 1979 - 1989.

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 05:56 PM (z64Z0)

597 yeah... I don't agree that the clash per se were really that dominant culturally, but there were so many new genres in that period: New Wave, Punk, post-punk, power pop, Pub Rock... plus metal was mutating into a new form which would become huge in the 80s (glam metal or hair metal or whatever).

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:56 PM (/FnUH)

598 The song I posted actually infiltrated the dance clubs...

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 05:57 PM (RJMhd)

599 >>Chowderhead--is that an East Coast thingy?

Its a 3 Stooges thing. If you're a girl, you wouldn't understand.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 05:57 PM (g1DWB)

600 Didn't Romney's loss really have a lot to do with Mitt Romney being a loser than the whole country being all for Obama? I agree things are bad, but it does not help when the choice of candidate for the GOP were Newt, Santorum and Romney. We can do better. Way better.

Posted by: Evi. L. Bloggerlady at January 20, 2014 05:57 PM (4kTo2)

601 >>>Hair bands, Metal, DiY Punk.

yeah well...

okay...

I guess...

I guess you have a point but I have trouble crediting the replacement of disco with hair metal as an unambiguously positive exchange...

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:58 PM (/FnUH)

602 599 >>Chowderhead--is that an East Coast thingy?

Its a 3 Stooges thing. If you're a girl, you wouldn't understand.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 05:57 PM (g1DWB)

********

Gawd--I outed myself again.

I totally don't get the 3 Stooges thing at all.


Thanks for the explanation.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 05:58 PM (RJMhd)

603 Warner Brothers had a series of Cds called, "Can't get Enough. New Wave hits of the 1980s" or something similar. It had the evolution of small regional high selling acts interspersed with National acts.
Don't know if it is still out but I used to have the first three or four. I recommend it for things like "Warm Leatherette" and other obscure tunes.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 20, 2014 05:59 PM (P2Icr)

604 I don't agree that the clash per se were really that dominant culturally


They were no Go-Go's.



Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 06:00 PM (z64Z0)

605 Both sides wanted them some big government.

Year after year, election after election, each side upped the ante, higher and higher budgets, more and more taxes, more and more bureaucrats and departments of government...year after year after year.

Now...you've both gotten exactly what you wanted.

...and anyone who warned you about the consequences was - and is - considered to be a nutcase, at best.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at January 20, 2014 06:01 PM (klGLB)

606 ace, huh? Tea Party is wild-eyed extremists because a small number of people in DE understandably despised an arrogant and unappealing incumbent who acted as though he was owed the nomination and who thus got tossed? how many dozen times was the DE "loss" cancelled out by actual meaningful wins in other primaries by "TP" candidates? WTF does this one race have to do with the second greatest partisan shift in US history in 2010, much of it manifesting itself in TP-like backlash against the disastroust national trajectory, whatever the lables/lack thereof in each race?

I thought the TP - and by the way, will those who comically pretend to deny the existence of something that is a practical GOP Establishment please add to their to-do list finding who the f**k the "Tea Party" is and list their address - was extreme because some of its adherents raised the slightest (ineffective) objection to wildly irresponsible spending, the shredding of much the remaining elements of constitutional practice, and - heavens me - amnesty.

Back on-topic, the fact that Romney couldn't easily win the key states based on well-founded angst about the disastrous state of the national and the ineptness anddistasteful nature of the incumbent does indeed portend poorly for our future. That many (presumably) "Reagan" Dems in OH/FL/PA/WI may have been averse to Romney because he was a clean bright successful person is pretty much a death sentence, as it means those who formed part of the common sense ballast of the electorate in key times past (as recently as 2004) are now just another dysfunctional failure driven by bigotry, envy, and greed. Unionization of the public sector, and the collapse in public-mindedness that is one of its many pernicious side-effects, might partially explain this (see OH referendum results in 2011 - ? - ).

Posted by: non-purist at January 20, 2014 06:02 PM (afQnV)

607 ...because you are thinking late 80's Metal instead of early 80's Metal.
Once the labels get hold of almost anything, they kill it.

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 06:02 PM (z64Z0)

608 You should check out 'Our Band Could Be Your Life', Ace. If you haven't already.

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 06:03 PM (z64Z0)

609 597 yeah... I don't agree that the clash per se were really that dominant culturally, but there were so many new genres in that period: New Wave, Punk, post-punk, power pop, Pub Rock... plus metal was mutating into a new form which would become huge in the 80s (glam metal or hair metal or whatever).

Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 05:56 PM (/FnUH)

*****

Well you get the Clash then you get AC/DC?

Although don't taze me but you could make the argument heavy metal is deader than disco now.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 06:03 PM (RJMhd)

610 because you are thinking late 80's Metal instead of early 80's Metal.

Once the labels get hold of almost anything, they kill it.

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 06:02 PM (z64Z0)


This.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at January 20, 2014 06:04 PM (FMbng)

611 Hmmm maybe AC/DC is hair band.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 06:05 PM (RJMhd)

612 Na--I'm going to double down on my

Clash hypothesis:


The Clash were an English punk rock band that formed in 1976 as part of the original wave of British punk. Along with punk, their music incorporated elements of reggae, dub, funk, and rockabilly. For most of their recording career the Clash consisted of Joe Strummer (lead vocals, rhythm guitar), Mick Jones (lead guitar, vocals), Paul Simonon (bass guitar, vocals) and Nicky "Topper" Headon (drums, percussion). Headon left the group in 1982, and internal friction led to Jones' departure the following year. The group continued with new members, but finally disbanded in early 1986.

The Clash achieved commercial success in the United Kingdom with the release of their debut album, The Clash, in 1977. Their third album, London Calling, released in the UK in December 1979, brought them popularity in the United States when it came out there the following month. It was declared the best album of the 1980s a decade later by Rolling Stone magazine. In 1982 they reached new heights of success with the release of Combat Rock, which spawned the US top 10 hit "Rock the Casbah", helping the album to achieve a 2x Platinum certification there. Their final album, Cut the Crap, was released in 1985.[1]

The Clash's politicised lyrics, musical experimentation, and rebellious attitude had a far-reaching influence on rock, alternative rock in particular.[2] They became widely referred to as "The Only Band That Matters", originally a promotional slogan introduced by the group's record label, CBS. In January 2003, the band—including original drummer Terry Chimes—were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. In 2004, Rolling Stone ranked the Clash number 28 on their list of the 100 greatest artists of all time.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 06:11 PM (RJMhd)

613

I just wanted to let you know that there is NO ONE more conservative than John Boner.

Not a single person is more conservative than him.

Not one, nope, not a single person.

None, nada, not any, none, zero, zip, zilch, nada again, no one, not a single soul, down to the nth, absolutely no one, absolute zero, not a smidgen, not even close to one.

Not a single person.


Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at January 20, 2014 06:13 PM (xggaJ)

614 The GOPE has lost ground for 60 fucking years in a row and some of you ass clowns fixate on Christine O'Donnell losing one race that would have had no impact on anything Obama has done since had she won!?

Posted by: Dan at January 20, 2014 06:13 PM (COpZ4)

615 Although don't taze me but you could make the argument heavy metal is deader than disco now.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 06:03 PM (RJMhd)

Not in Europe, and definitely not in S. America. Both have wildly huge festivals, and metal is doing great. Not so much here though, we got taylor swift and lady fucking gaga.

Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at January 20, 2014 06:16 PM (FMbng)

616 Yeah, all this time I thought that a majority of hard-core Republican DE primary voters hated Mike Castle with the heat of a thousand suns. COD was in the right place at the right time. Too bad there wasn't another conservative Republican willing to take on Castle. Why was that? (new hashtag, btw)

Posted by: mrp at January 20, 2014 06:16 PM (JBggj)

617 Personally, I don't believe the majority of the American people changed that much.

I believe that those in power have perfected the ways in which to surreptitiously manipulate the electorate and the elections.

This required the aid or at least silence of the large news organizations and columnists. Which they have been given.

I think it's why the GOP isn't concerned about it's "base" anymore. It will do what is necessary to maintain it's position at the trough and no more and no less. Gaining the higher levels of power may be in their grasp again sometime but they will not compromise their positions of power to attain them and they certainly won't go counter to their major donors. (and the donors that we DON'T know about)

That's what I believe has happened.

The fix is in and they don't care if it's become obvious that it is being fixed.

Our justice system is a joke and we have judges making ridiculous rulings that drive the country further and further into tyranny.

No one at the top cares anymore because they are a part of it or are willing puppets.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 20, 2014 06:17 PM (LSDdO)

618 #563 A reasonable candidate would also, at some point, have stood up and angrily defended his wife against the many disgusting attacks the Dems and media made on her, rather than listening to Karl Rove waving his little white board and whining they could lose the shacked-up and divorced votes...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 20, 2014 06:20 PM (XO6WW)

619 It is a pretty sad situation for the Establishment dinosaurs after Governor Donuts did a nose-dive and within 72 hours, the same old loser hacks start writing "Second Look At Mitt?" columns.

Posted by: mrp at January 20, 2014 06:22 PM (JBggj)

620 615 Although don't taze me but you could make the argument heavy metal is deader than disco now.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 06:03 PM (RJMhd)

Not in Europe, and definitely not in S. America. Both have wildly huge festivals, and metal is doing great. Not so much here though, we got taylor swift and lady fucking gaga.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at January 20, 2014 06:16 PM (FMbng)

******

Yep. I was going to argue that initially.

But it's more house electro than we ever had.

Although I do get into some of it.

Do you know this type

Daphni Ye Ye

Here's the link--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mP8WDk7HNM

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 06:22 PM (RJMhd)

621 >>It is a pretty sad situation for the Establishment dinosaurs after Governor Donuts did a nose-dive and within 72 hours, the same old loser hacks start writing "Second Look At Mitt?" columns.

Word. Some people just can't let a losing candidate go.

Posted by: Sarah Palin at January 20, 2014 06:23 PM (g1DWB)

622 Word. Some people just can't let a losing candidate go.
---
She's a winner, Jack.

Posted by: mrp at January 20, 2014 06:28 PM (JBggj)

623 "I cannot believe that [Obama] is an aberration in the country. I believe we're following the same path of every other great nation, which is we're following greater government, tax rich people, promise more stuff to everybody, borrow until you go over a cliff. And I think we have a very high risk of reaching the tipping point sometime in the next five years. And the idea of saying 'it's just fine, don't worry about it' -- no, it's really not."

Did he ever say anything like this in his campaign? If he did, did he ever present it in a way that convinced others that if he won, he was determined to arrest the decline and set the country back on a proper path to prosperity?

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 20, 2014 06:30 PM (itCai)

624 Yeah, I noticed.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 06:32 PM (g1DWB)

625 AHOY!

Posted by: PALINISTO at January 20, 2014 06:32 PM (z64Z0)

626 I agree with what some of the others have said. If Romney had said something... ANYTHING... remotely close to that in public, I think he would have had a much better chance.

Posted by: MrX at January 20, 2014 06:37 PM (q8eh5)

627 Mitt never did fire the Etch-A-Sketch guy, did he?

Posted by: mrp at January 20, 2014 06:40 PM (JBggj)

628 Except for one small thing... that Romney sometimes didn't sound a lot different than Obama did and that a lot of people listened and watched and looked out their windows and said "What's the point... We've got the authrow of ObamaCare running against the implementer of ObamaCare.

One week before the election I heard Romney saying in a speech "I want to reach across the aisle and work with Democrats!" I gasped OMG! I was so mad I wanted to scream! Who the heck told him to say that?! And if I felt that way there had to be a whole lot of other people out there feeling the same way and how many of those people said "Screw it!" What's the point in even voting!
What the heck did we even have running against him? McCain, the most hated Republican on earth and Romney.. the man who Obama credited with authoring ObamaCare.

Posted by: jellytoast at January 20, 2014 06:52 PM (RvFqU)

629 Ace, this is balderdash. Money did it -- from the Saudiis, from the Maurice Strongs, the one-worlders -- as well as voter fraud up the gazoo (has always been part of American history, but not to this degree). Big crony corporations (as business owners have always done in American history) went for government welfare not free enterprise. What keeps business owners in line is competition just as what keeps government limited is division of powers. First "they" (you supply the referent) stole the Democratic Party (from a pretty ratty group, I must admit, even though I happened to be one -- Classical Liberal). Then they fraudulently and criminally created "Global Warming" by us Anthros -- AGW, now Climate Disruption. Then they took over the Republicans -- try looking more closely at elitist, big government Karl Rove and that wonderful Baby Bush. Americans might not be so great, but those that hate democracy and a republic got the upper hand with very little competition or limitation and now we have to dislodge them. Americans do not deserve an ignorant malignant narcissist tyrant. He was not excellent as a candidate; he had no -- and I mean absolutely none -- opposition and no investigative media. He is merely a useful tool for the "they". We don't deserve "them" either.

Posted by: pyromancer76 at January 20, 2014 06:53 PM (i0aYq)

630 I agree with Ace's post. America HAS changed, the tpping point may well be here.

That said, anybody know who the SC Tea Party convention endorsed for Senate today? If America is going down, I want to make sure that asshole-of-the-millenium Grahamnesty is tied securely to the mast.

I have a hate-on for Miss Lindsey you would not imagine. Just waiting to see whose name to put on the check.

Posted by: mnw at January 20, 2014 07:27 PM (68RU9)

631 Ace, you can use ALT0153 to produce the tm symbol. It is smaller but that just enhances it's cute appeal. I use it all the time when I'm called a RACIST!™.

Posted by: Big Ol Fat Guy at January 20, 2014 07:28 PM (BpQmM)

632 Someone way up thread mentioned that everyone should do what they can to make them themselves personally less vulnerable to any collapse.

One of our best hopes is the states. Most states have Repub governors and legislatures. anything we can do to defend states from federal interference in good, and the states themselves need to go beyond that. In TX we have a Railroad (Oil and Gas) Commissioner running for AG who says that one of his projects has to been to do what he could to insulate TX from any federal upfuckery. For example, TX has its own electrical grid, and he wants to keep it that way.

Likewise, after we started seeing cancer patients lose coverage due to ACA, I told my husband that THE very best, nay the ONLY reason now to be well off financially is not so you can buy nice things or go to good schools, but so that you can be resilient against government attempts to kill you. If I have to pay out of pocket to stay with the oncologists who are keeping me alive, then we can raise the money.

The other thing I told my husband was something that would get me banned here, as if anyone is reading at this point. I figure the president wants me dead.

Posted by: stace at January 20, 2014 07:28 PM (9PXzx)

633 In related news, the Democrat rank and file are okay with politicians lying. About sex, about policy. No matter. Whoops. That's Democratic politicians lying. Republicans are different, see Myers, Harriett.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at January 20, 2014 08:01 PM (7v8o1)

634 Gradually, then suddenly.

Posted by: Beelzebub at January 20, 2014 08:14 PM (QupBk)

635 The Media learned the lesson of 2010 midterms. They simply were not going to allow the GOP to win.

The GOP of course learned nothing from 2010.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 20, 2014 08:22 PM (aCoyV)

636 huh, I thought Romney 2012 ran on the "there's nothing to fear from Obama, he just tried to do some good things and goofed up a wee bit." platform.

Way to keep the foot on the gas, Mitti.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 20, 2014 08:41 PM (iHJAJ)

637 Mitt would have been a pretty good president. Probably better than Dubya.

But please, no more establishment picks. If we pick some doofus like Christie I'm staying home. For real this time.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at January 20, 2014 08:43 PM (E8IHS)

638 WAIT A MINUTE!!!


Let's not forget a few things, before we pack up for Galt's Gulch:


1) Obama needed an unprecedentedly massive propaganda campaign - at least a billion dollars worth of free political ads and cover-ups by the MFM. Benghazi alone would have normally sunk any President.


2) Obama needed a massive dose of voter fraud. We may never know just how severe that was.


3) Obama had years to put together his ground game, and used every minute. It's not like he was busy Presidentin', or something.


4) Obama used every branch of the Federal govt to stifle his political opponents, in a vast, unprecedented way. It wasn't just the IRS, when the tax-exempt status was denied, people with guns from other govt agencies showed up also. He probably even used the CENSUS, which he took direct control of, and was pared down until it was all about hispanics.


5) Given #3 and #4, how do we know that the massive failure of Romney's GOTV computer system wasn't malware from OFA or the US Govt?


6) Obama needed massive anti-white racism. 97% of blacks voted for him, even though they have suffered the most, and plenty of other minorities, and whites as well were on board with this. Their propaganda demonized "the rich white guy", even though the Dem candidate in 2004 was even richer.


7) Even with all that, Obama would have lost if something like 2 million votes (be they real or fraudulent) went the other way. He lost ground in almost every state.


In summary, people KNEW Obama sucks, and sucks big. They DIDN'T KNOW how much of a socialist he was, and they didn't know how much of a liar he is. Hell, the LIVs didn't even know Obamacare had been passed!! Instead, they let the MFM tell them that the rich white guy (who was rich because he was capable and successful) was not to be trusted.

Posted by: Optimizer at January 20, 2014 08:51 PM (saDM3)

639 Oh, and those Republican baffoons running for the Senate, and saying stupid things, tarnished the brand.


And too many Republicans stayed home. Did they really think Obama was an OK alternative to Romney? That Romney was no better? Or were they just anti-Mormon bigots?

Posted by: Optimizer at January 20, 2014 08:55 PM (saDM3)

640 Jack straw: "How is that Romney's fault? Should he have just whipped out his shlong during the debates and dick slapped Obama?"

I like that idea, actually.

Posted by: Alana at January 20, 2014 09:00 PM (v1kAn)

641 #629 reminds me of some other things. For one, the was big money campaign corruption, as big donors laundered money into the Obama campaign by chopping it up into jillions of small donations, and getting it past the non-existent checks against that sort of thing.


ALSO,


Let's not forget where 2013 was the year where The Beast was unmasked. The Obamacare lies were finally exposed, spectacular execution failures, with even bigger disasters to come.


It was also the year where AGW started to fall apart. The two big icons of American socialism have been high-profile, epic disasters. Big media has been discredited, and is falling by the wayside. 2014 is where the backlash comes in.

Posted by: Optimizer at January 20, 2014 09:05 PM (saDM3)

642 Some of the analysis here convinces me that the right will never again occupy the White House. It's not Romney's fault that the Obama campaign spun up some comments from nuts on the right to a war on women. It's not Romney's fault that people like Limbaugh brought little enthusiasm as if there was little difference between an unapologetic capitalist and a socialist. And yet these two things best explain Romney's loss. I don't blame Romney, I blame those on the right who on the one hand call Obama a threat to the country and on the other would not lift a finger to defeat him because they didn't have an ideal candidate. And when some of these radio voices who contributed to the tepid support push candidates like Santorum who knew as much about the private sector as the devil himself I have to wonder what the hell the agenda really is.

Posted by: Coleridge at January 20, 2014 10:02 PM (BglJL)

643 L.I.B.
The Constitution still exists, even if this nation will no longer follow it. The Founders didn't leave a lot of holes in their creation, and we can identify most of them. (The difference between the vision contained in Federalist #47 and the reality of today provides a pretty good road map.) Ideas do not die.

Keep the document alive, even if underground. There will come a time for its resurrection and regained preeminence.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at January 21, 2014 12:06 AM (ab+jQ)

644 We all know America is gone.

The proof is how divided our "side" is.

It used to be possible to disagree and still get things done, but the socialists can do that while those of us who believe in self-reliance and the sacredness of the the individual... and a merit based economy and society.... we can't even agree on the definition of words like "conservative" or what it means to be a Republican.

We divided, and they conquerored, and the great dream of humanity is gone.

Posted by: petunia at January 21, 2014 01:24 AM (DAcBA)

645 If only Mitt had said those things in public in speeches in his campaign.

If only...

Posted by: PJ at January 21, 2014 01:33 AM (ZWaLo)

646 AllenG (DedicatedTenther) said:"I've been thinking about this a lot (for the new book I'm writing), and it wouldn't take too much to start the bonfire roaring.


It's not that difficult. Turn off the not discussed mass sedation and virtual welfare channel that is inner-city psychiatry and watch this motherfucker burn.

Because let me tell you, SSI and psychiatric welfare wasn't designed for you. It's nothing but a means by which to quietly deal with the 40% of the population which is unemployed and a large subset of those who have never been employed, yet live in a highly dense shithole just waiting to boil over.

Thank God for Seroquel, Zyprexa and Xanax.

Otherwise, could you imagine what would happen if people actually understood that SSI was just another welfare system channeling $600/month to the permanently unemployed that are also, conveniently, nice and peacefully medicated? But, don't worry, science and psychiatry is telling you there's a real and serious problem here; so just nod in agreement and get back to discussing the important stuff, like what's wrong with Richard Sherman...

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 21, 2014 01:34 AM (jhI6f)

647 Optimizer said: Benghazi alone would have normally sunk any President.

But it didn't and that's more the point! Lets pause for a moment to reflect:

The first US ambassador in over 30 years and 2 SEALS were assassinated on the 11th anniversary of September 11th and it was actually a net negative for Romney as the media used it to attack him.

The game was so fucking rigged, it's ridiculous.


This wasn't like the media needed a one-off and really stretch to cover up; this was like, 'no biggie... let have some fun and hurt he other guy with it' Hey Gov. Romney, how about your gaffes?'

The media actively overlooked Fast and Furious -- fucking Univision pushed hardest on a story where we were implicit in 300 dead mexicans and shooting down an army helicopter -- or the early IRS abuse story. It's endless. It's repeatable.


Romney deserves much of the blame for his campaign, but the conservatives bare more of my scorn as we're suppose to be team players. But they only play along when they get what they want. The whole concept of put your head down and push is just beyond them: an entire campaign season of DrewM bitching like a little whore about Romney, Santorum lasting more than an hour after SuperTuesday was insane, not to mention the Religious Right in general and their agnostic attitude (if mormon based or not) that lead to under performance in rural OH, VA. Rush and his bullshit. Fuck you all, I hope you enjoy government healthcare and more wise latinas.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 21, 2014 01:54 AM (jhI6f)

648 "2012, I think, represented in our minds the Last Best Chance we had to prove America was still America... and we failed in that, or, perhaps, America failed to prove that about itself."

This is the reason I disagree with those who insist "we'll get 'em in 2014, win back the Senate...". The outcome of 2012 proved to me that It's Over, at least for us. The America we knew is gone. It has been fundamentally transformed. Obama didn't do it. He is a result, not the cause. The transformation has been going on since the early 20th century, but now it is complete. There is no reason to be optimistic, because there is no path back. I get annoyed at conservatives who continue to say we are a center-right country, because we really need to face the facts (IMO) and plot a new course for ourselves and our children. I have no idea what that might be.

Posted by: whoever at January 21, 2014 02:13 AM (zu9Ee)

649 Something Very Very Bad™ to wake people up.

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They aren't asleep. They are Pod People.

Posted by: whoever at January 21, 2014 03:00 AM (zu9Ee)

650 Romney, probably a nice guy, didn't even begin to compete. He does not even know the meaning of the word. I don't think any Republicans do; they all are too soft. And then they whine about bad Americans, poor America. They don't know any street fighting, nor do they care in their comfy elitist palaces. Unfortunately, the marxist-maoists-islamists know every dirty and fatal trick in the book. It does not take much to counter them -- if one is willing to face facts. No, Americans did not deserve Romney or anyone else who pretends to be in a "free enterprise" system of American republican-democracy.

Posted by: pyromancer76 at January 21, 2014 09:20 AM (i0aYq)

651 Even more dangerous than the psychotropic drugs is the idea that everyone should be "Nice" and "compassionate" all the time.

Illegals? Homeless? Gangs? Looting of our treasury?

What's wrong with you? You some kind of kook? Take a pill, buddy.

Posted by: PJ at January 21, 2014 01:01 PM (ZWaLo)

652 Aw SHUT UP!

You were told not to run a proven loser, a Northeast moderate liberal, a guy who invented mandatory health insurance, and you went ahead anyhow.

You ran a very slimy, sleazy, primary. It was everybody else's job to get out of the way of King Mitt. You were going to show us how it was done. You were -finally- going to marginalize the Right.

Remember that?

And now that you lost...it's America's fault?

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 21, 2014 02:04 PM (5xmd7)

653 ^^^--Feel like drinking Drano. If the EPA hasn't banned it.

Posted by: sybilll at January 27, 2014 09:32 PM (ccAzI)

654 There's really three agendas. There's the socialist agenda, which is obvious. There's a sexual agenda, which is ultimately directed to destroying the way of life recommended by Christianity. And there is a racial agenda, which takes you from traditional America (or any white country, because this is global) to something like Brazil, and ultimately South Africa and Zimbabwe.

"Which is worst?" is like asking whether you'd rather be tyrannized by Sauron, deceived by Saruman or eaten by Shelob.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at January 28, 2014 12:18 AM (Q9QKI)






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