Saturday Car Thread - [Niedermeyer's Dead Horse]

Welcome back, once again, to the girl-version of Car Talk where you'll find lots of links and pretty pictures without any of that axle grease ickiness.

Union news:

Say goodbye to UAW-free foreign car manufacturing in the South as VW Chattanooga and the UAW push for a "German-style" works council. Of significance; In Germany, unionization by IG Metall allows for negotiation of both blue-collar AND white-collar workers. I hope the workers think better of it.

American engineering:

The Cadillac Volt can be yours for a meager $76k, a little less than the Tesla Model S. Talk about burning through money...

Cutting out the middle-man:

Car sales through vending machines. Yes. Vending machines.

Consider the poor auto salesperson: the source of much mistrust, the butt of countless jokes. Most of us tend to keep anyone who works on commission at arm's length, but car salespeople are flat-out loathed. In fact, a recent study showed that car salespeople are the least trusted profession in America ranking even below members of Congress. Ouch.
How can that perception be changed? Dealerships could do away with commissions and bonuses, for starters. Or they could follow the lead of a company called Carvana and get rid of salespeople altogether.

Top Gear:

They consider the dilemma of the old folk and set out to create the Jitterbug of cars. You must tune in for Parts 2 & 3 as well.

This week in elbows:

Keeping it clean.

And, for the moronettes:

McDreamy and his need for speed.

Another mellow cruising tune:

Sing it, Glen.

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Posted by: Open Blogger at 04:20 PM



Comments

1 St?

Posted by: shredded chi at November 23, 2013 04:22 PM (pRtaC)

2 Camaro's rule if they have a blower!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at November 23, 2013 04:22 PM (Cdwx/)

3 Keeping it clean.

Uh...

Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2013 04:22 PM (sdi6R)

4 Talk about burning through money...

I see what you did there.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 23, 2013 04:23 PM (pRtaC)

5 We've bought one new and one used car at Car Max.

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 23, 2013 04:26 PM (SUKHu)

6 I saw a Tesla Model S on the road this week for the first time. Nice looking car.

Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2013 04:27 PM (sdi6R)

7 Reposted from the open thread, and tangentially related to cars:

Woo-hoo! My new driver's license is here! My new driver's license is here!

Yes, I spent an hour at the DMV today. I should have brought along some reading material. Anyway, there were some fairly attractive women to pass the time ogling.

I was 22nd in line when I arrived, and there were two counters where photos were being taken. The woman behind one was kinda cute and had a nice smile. I hoped I would get her. I couldn't see who was behind the other counter due to the placement of a curtain in my line of sight.

When my number was called, I got the other counter. The woman behind that one was crippled somehow. Her arms seemed short and her fingers were at odd angles. I think it was a birth defect or something. But she did her job competently and I was polite to her. The whole process took about 10 minutes, and my new photo is better than the old one. Win!

I think digital photography has immensely improved the process. They show you the photo and ask if it's OK, and will retake it if not. Last time I think I went for about four retakes before I finally accepted one. This time I only asked for one retake, and it was almost the same as the first one. Still, I like it better than the one I got four years ago. Maybe it was because she let me wear my glasses, whereas last time they made me take them off.

Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2013 04:29 PM (sdi6R)

8 Wait until you see that girl do wax on, wax off with her elbows.

That car will shine like a fucking mirror.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 23, 2013 04:30 PM (oFCZn)

9 Is VW Chattanooga hoping that when the UAW bankrupts them they'll get that sweet bailout sugar and government persecution of competitors too?

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2013 04:33 PM (aTXUx)

10 I know I might get some hate from the Moronettes, but I have a hunch that Patrick Dempsey has bitten his share of pillows

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2013 04:34 PM (aTXUx)

11 8
Wait until you see that girl do wax on, wax off with her elbows.



That car will shine like a fucking mirror.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 23, 2013 04:30 PM

Dack, you been away for a while, maybe you haven't heard. I don't shine cars no more

Posted by: That Elbow Wax Girl at November 23, 2013 04:36 PM (aTXUx)

12 Car sales through vending machines. Yes. Vending machines.

That's a lot of fucking quarters.

Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2013 04:36 PM (sdi6R)

13
Hot GTO elbows.

Last time we bought a new car (many years ago) we did it all over the internet. Researched what we wanted, investigated pricing, looked at cars on the dealership internet, emailed a flat all in offer (taxes and all), they accepted, we told them we would bring a check when the paper work was ready. All in all better than the experiences that people used to go through.

Course they still tried to get us to buy some stupid extra insurance bs, which pissed me off because they knew I was just exchanging a check for some keys. But still better than the old "let me talk to my manager crap".

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 23, 2013 04:37 PM (iGPSR)

14 I’m confused, I thought it was a Chevy Volt? Or is Volt part of the description?

Posted by: Carol T at November 23, 2013 04:40 PM (z4WKX)

15
Re: The Zap Caddy

So they're asking 2.5 x the price of the Volt, for essentially the same car with a leather package?

Okay. Glad I don't any GM stock.

What? I do? How did that happen?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 23, 2013 04:41 PM (kdS6q)

16 Glen, it was the polyester. Stuff was evil. And that young poon.

Posted by: EROWMER at November 23, 2013 04:41 PM (OONaw)

17 Those old British gals in that Top Gear episode were charming old birds. Kind of like sweet old ladies you wished were your grandmother

There was an episode where Clarkson, May, and Hammond had their mothers on to test drive and critique three hatchbacks

Posted by: That Elbow Wax Girl at November 23, 2013 04:42 PM (aTXUx)

18 Maybe it was because she let me wear my glasses, whereas last time they made me take them off.
Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2013 04:29 PM (sdi6R)


I had to get a new two years ago and it must be new rules that you can’t wear your glasses. I always have my glasses on, except when I’ms sleeping or in the shower.

I didn’t realize what big eyes I have without them.

Posted by: Carol T at November 23, 2013 04:43 PM (z4WKX)

19 A time traveler thread and a car thread

Which one should I be in? Can I be in both at once?

Posted by: Dr Emmett Brown at November 23, 2013 04:47 PM (aTXUx)

20 Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2013 04:29 PM (sdi6R)

Sorry, RickL, I had to capitalize letters to save you from autocorrect.

MA makes you take glasses off for license pictures. I didn’t read your comment completely about glasses because I thought it was a national law that you cannot wear them.
Carol

Posted by: Carol T at November 23, 2013 04:47 PM (z4WKX)

21 In WA they make everyone take-off the glasses, as they interfere with their "Facial Recognition Software".
The lady in front of me was; "I can't see the camera!"
The photog told her ; "Just face the sound of my voice."

Posted by: ChrisP at November 23, 2013 04:47 PM (BpTC0)

22 Car wash girl's tan is uneven and blotchy.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 23, 2013 04:47 PM (hmUex)

23 18
I had to get a new two years ago and it must be new rules that you can’t wear your glasses. I always have my glasses on, except when I’ms sleeping or in the shower.

I didn’t realize what big eyes I have without them.

Posted by: Carol T at November 23, 2013 04:43 PM (z4WKX)


I think I look stoned without mine.

Yeah, I thought it was a new rule four years ago, and I was surprised that she didn't say anything about them today.

Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2013 04:48 PM (sdi6R)

24 The Cadillac Volt appears to have nearly zero ground clearance. Won't be seeing one of them out here (except maybe on a flatbed wrecker).

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at November 23, 2013 04:48 PM (kxSZr)

25 16
Glen, it was the polyester. Stuff was evil. And that young poon.


Posted by: EROWMER at November 23, 2013 04:41 PM (OONaw)


The coke.

Posted by: Glenn at November 23, 2013 04:49 PM (/aSjU)

26 Wait until you see that girl do wax on, wax off with her elbows.





That car will shine like a fucking mirror.



Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 23, 2013 04:30 PM

I liked the blonde washing the car in Cool Hand Luke better. Bigger boobehs and she knew how to use them to soap the windows

Posted by: Dr Emmett Brown at November 23, 2013 04:49 PM (aTXUx)

27 Any morons into hatchbacks? The freakin' Fiesta ST is fucking awesome. Well, no, I haven't actually driven it, just drooling over all the reviws.

Posted by: Eton Cox at November 23, 2013 04:49 PM (q177U)

28 22
Car wash girl's tan is uneven and blotchy.


Posted by: Kreplach at November 23, 2013 04:47 PM

My complaint is that she didn't get her tank top wet. Get in line with the complaints, pal

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2013 04:50 PM (aTXUx)

29 I do look stoned without them in pictures. I dont dry my hair and they were so fast that my hair is wet in the picture.

Posted by: Carol T at November 23, 2013 04:50 PM (z4WKX)

30 27
Any morons into hatchbacks? The freakin' Fiesta ST is fucking awesome.
Well, no, I haven't actually driven it, just drooling over all the
reviws.



Posted by: Eton Cox at November 23, 2013 04:49 PM

The Mini Cooper is still the best, albeit most expensive. Best handling and one of the fastest


Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2013 04:51 PM (aTXUx)

31 The Caddy Volt (ELR) would probably have a customer base of retired union hacks. Celebrities can afford the Tesla or Fisker, and others won't buy it if they can't put 24 inch wheels on it

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2013 04:54 PM (aTXUx)

32 Oh, good, the Cat Thread! We've got three cats now, definitely time to try one of those automated litter boxes. Any one had any particularly good or bad luck with a brand/type? Looking at the filtered ones, the steel rake ones, the crystal ones, the pellet ones, etc. Read a bunch of reviews of each. Any personal experiences would be helpful. Price doesn't matter if it works.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 23, 2013 04:56 PM (ZshNr)

33 32 Oh Great now we will be getting Cat Filters spam.

Posted by: The Hickster at November 23, 2013 05:00 PM (DUGve)

34
There will be no new cars in this family for the foreseeable future.

We have a transportation module (a Toyota Camry) which is a reliable, efficient vehicle--with all the appeal of a dead tree stump.

I appreciate the engineering advances, but they have engineered all the appeal out of modern cars. Sooner be driving a 49 Ford. At least I can tell it apart from the other lookalikes.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 23, 2013 05:00 PM (SAMxH)

35 FWIW -

There's a dealer in Memphis (Gwatney Mazda of Grrmantown) that does such good Internet deals of great quality used cars that people fly in from other parts of the country to buy. More smart dealers are going to adopt that model because it works.

Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 05:03 PM (5Q1ZU)

36 I recently rented a Chevy Cruz while I was in Miami and I must say it was a fun car to drive.

It had a slap stick manual and enough high end creature comforts and interior style to recommend it for good every day driver and a fun weekend tooling around car.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 23, 2013 05:04 PM (hmUex)

37 I appreciate the engineering advances, but they have
engineered all the appeal out of modern cars. Sooner be driving a 49
Ford. At least I can tell it apart from the other lookalikes.


Posted by: irongrampa at November 23, 2013 05:00 PM

You can actually build a 49 Ford that has the modern engineering inside it. As Jeremy Clarkson said, it's like an 18th century estate with indoor plumbing and wiring

Posted by: kbdabear at November 23, 2013 05:04 PM (aTXUx)

38
Somebody needs to poat an Obamma fuck up pretty quickly.

I'm going in to withdrawls.

Posted by: pendejo grande at November 23, 2013 05:08 PM (8ZHOF)

39 Patrick Dempsey is a _real_ man, having finished the 2005 Baja 1000.

Posted by: Calvin Dodge at November 23, 2013 05:09 PM (JTaw8)

40 "Say goodbye to UAW-free foreign car manufacturing in the South as VW Chattanooga and the UAW push for a 'German-style' works council."

Time for me to drop a note to VW corporate.

I swore an absolute blood oath after Jugears McFuckstick gave the UAW a colossal bailout at the expense of taxpayers and bondholders that I will never again purchase a UAW vehicle until the day I die. Corrupt parasitic goons.

And if VW allow the UAW in, I'll add VW's products, from any source, to my boycott list. It's not as though the contemporary car market isn't highly competitive.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 23, 2013 05:09 PM (gqT4g)

41
Glass from a deer hitting your driver side window gets everywhere.

That's all I got.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at November 23, 2013 05:11 PM (b2cFu)

42 @ 37

I know, kb. Worked on a few oldies with newer running gear.

My interest is with the unaltered cars--restorations to the original.

The Toy is a period correct 68, with a couple changes, primarily an HEI distributor that looks exactly like a factory unit built in 68. Never did like fussing with a dual point distributor, and Sun machines are hard to find.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 23, 2013 05:11 PM (SAMxH)

43 Please don't give those bloody Yanks an idea for a Doctor Who series to go with their horrid tripe they call Top Gear. The Doctor would probably be driving a TARDIS who's chameleon circuit is stuck being a Chevy Volt.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 23, 2013 05:11 PM (gPyYF)

44 Why in the world would management be pushing to unionize their plant?


Posted by: Kreplach at November 23, 2013 05:12 PM (hmUex)

45 Camry is about the dullest car to drive. Lots of newer cars are fun to drive and tote as many people as the Camry. The new Ford Fusion is especially fun and good looking too.

The Mercedes CLA is whooping on Camry too.

As for hot hatches, the new BMW 3 series GT is supposed to be quite a car. We'll see.

Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 05:12 PM (5Q1ZU)

46 You can actually build a 49 Ford that has the modern engineering inside
it. As Jeremy Clarkson said, it's like an 18th century estate with
indoor plumbing and wiring>>

If I won the lotto I think I would rather have a 1970 Buick GS clone with all new running and drive gear than a stock original. Since I wouldn't feel guilty making the clone a daily driver.There was a Hot rod shop that had a show where they did this a couple years ago.

Posted by: The Hickster at November 23, 2013 05:13 PM (DUGve)

47 Last time we bought a new car (many years ago) we
did it all over the internet....


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 23, 2013 04:37 PM


I can't imagine doing this. No comparison driving? Okay if you're deciding between a Toyota and Hyundai, I guess, but for anything that's expected to do more than provide basic transportation, I need to put some miles on it first.

My favorite experience was 'way back when Mazda rotaries were new on the market. My father and I went to the dealer, and managed to borrow one of each of the two models, which had different suspensions. We went out (without the salesman, which almost never happens) and did fifteen minutes of serious side-by-side canyon-running to see which handled best. Bought an RX-3, which had leaf springs in back. Loved that car!

Today, if I had the spondulix, I'd buy a Fiesta ST. What a zippy little ride! And Ford engineers know more about making cheap cars handle than anyone else but VW/Audi.

Of course if I had both money and a time machine, I'd try to latch on to one of the nutball rides I drove in Japan and Europe. There are some seriously crazy cars that were never sold here. Not necessarily better, but weirder and more fun.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 05:17 PM (kaGpp)

48 Saw the picture in the paper the other day, caused me to wonder what year model the Caddy is. I have my guess. Any takers?

http://www.zeit.de/wissen/geschichte/2013-11/kennedy-attentat-bedeutung/komplettansicht

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 05:20 PM (aDwsi)

49 OMG now that funny above because this is true:

My band opened for Glen Campbell in Reno for a week at Harrah's in 1979.

Heh heh heh.

Posted by: Meremortal, lewd info mofo at November 23, 2013 05:23 PM (1Y+hH)

50 Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 05:20 PM

You mean the Lincoln? I think it's a '62, specially modified (by Hess and Eisenhardt) for presidential use.

It's at the Henry Ford Museum.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 05:23 PM (kaGpp)

51 History about VW - if I remember correctly -

After the War, it was allowed to continue to exist as a going concern but only with worker ownership of much of it along with a significant stake owned by the state government in that part of Germany. Both those stakeholders still have their stakes in the enterprise so it should not be too much of a shock that VW would not be anti-union in the US.

Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 05:23 PM (5Q1ZU)

52 So I taught Road Boy #2 how to fix a flat tire today.

And by "fix", I mean hightail it to the nearest car shop before they close at 5 on Saturday.

Mission accomplished.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 05:24 PM (4Mv1T)

53 48
I don't read German, but I think it says it's a '63 Lincoln Continental.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 23, 2013 05:24 PM (pRtaC)

54 The Caddy looks to be about a '53.

Posted by: Ronster at November 23, 2013 05:25 PM (Rru72)

55 You mean the Lincoln? I think it's a '62, specially modified (by Hess and Eisenhardt) for presidential use.>>

That was what I was thinking till I noticed the grill of the 57? Caddy behind the Kennedy's car.

Posted by: The Hickster at November 23, 2013 05:25 PM (DUGve)

56 Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 05:23 PM

Correct. IIRC, the state/union interest in VW was mandated by the government.

Unions are a bit different in Germany. Not as rapacious as here, and not as violent as in France. At not at all like Italian unions, which are always on strike....

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 05:26 PM (kaGpp)

57 I'm interested in taking a drive in a Subaru BRZ. Haven't even seen one yet...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 05:27 PM (aDwsi)

58 That was what I was thinking till I noticed the grill of the 57? Caddy behind the Kennedy's car.


Posted by: The Hickster at November 23, 2013 05:25 PM


The Caddy was a '53 through '56 model (not exactly sure). I think it was Ike's old limo.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 05:27 PM (kaGpp)

59
Speaking of transportation..remember The Traveling Wilburys?

Tom Petty, Roy Orbison, George Harrison, and others in the early '90's.

They had one hit song, kinda lame, can't remember it now.

Anyway, today for the first time I heard another tune by them that is pretty catchy. There are some songs that are real 'songs' with real music and a story. This is one of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReQsRgQXgQY

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 05:29 PM (4aQMp)

60
Probably the most fun vehicle I ever drove was our old '44 Willys MB.

It was Army surplus, had a winch and a fording kit. If you got traction there wasn't much that could stop it.

More than once it got driven through the creek with water completely filling the inside. f Dad had ever seen some of the crap I did, sitting down would yet be a problem.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 23, 2013 05:29 PM (SAMxH)

61 Whenever I buy a car, I get the printout from the Auto Club and go in to the fleet manager and pick up my car. No haggling or extras. Even if I pay more, it's worth the protection from the vultures in the dealership.

BTW the Ford Edge is adorbs. What's an eco boost though? I think I might end up leasing one if the job continues.

//

Somebody needs to poat an Obamma fuck up pretty quickly.

I'm going in to withdrawls.

Posted by: pendejo grande at November 23, 2013

Valerie gives him Saturdays off so they can clean up his mess from the week before.

Posted by: PJ at November 23, 2013 05:31 PM (ZWaLo)

62 Car sales through vending machines. Yes. Vending machines.

That's a lot of fucking quarters.

***

I posted this then immediately ran back out so I was sitting at a red light when I read this.

The folks in the car next to me must have thought I'm crazy from my LOLing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2013 05:31 PM (DmNpO)

63 More than once it got driven through the creek with
water completely filling the inside. f Dad had ever seen some of the
crap I did, sitting down would yet be a problem.


Posted by: irongrampa at November 23, 2013 05:29 PM


Did you replace the Army gravediggers with real off-road tires?

I did an off-road event one time in a new Land-Rover (well, it was new when I started, but got old in a hurry) and some crusty old dude scooted over the rocks past me in a Willys MB. Not even sure he bothered to put it in compound-low.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 05:32 PM (kaGpp)

64 Posted by: irongrampa at November 23, 2013 05:29 PM (SAMxH)

In Texas they loved to cut those Willys up and hot rod them. I think they ran B Altered class, IIRC. They looked awesome with big pipes and cut out wheel wells.

Posted by: Meremortal, lewd info mofo at November 23, 2013 05:33 PM (1Y+hH)

65 56 Unions are a bit different in Germany. Not as rapacious as here, and not as violent as in France. At not at all like Italian unions, which are always on strike....

That's because of the beer on tap in the German corporate cafeterias.

No kidding.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 23, 2013 05:33 PM (U82Km)

66
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the mailmen use surplus Army Willys Jeeps?

or were they special built for the USPS with the right-handed steering wheel?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 05:33 PM (4aQMp)

67 The reason so many people think of car salesmen and women) as scum is because most people don't know how to buy a car. Even worse, they don't understand that getting a good monthly payment doesn't mean you're getting a good deal. But since our entire society has become "how much a month", people will sign up for the $300/mo lease thinking, hey $300 a month...CHEAP! Only they don't realize that $300 a month is the biggest rip off imaginable. So do they then think, "oh shit, I made a really bad decision"? No. Of course not, that would mean actually taking responsibility for one's action. Instead they blame the eeeeevil car salesman.

No different than all the "victims" of the lending industry who signed up for a 0% 6 month ARM. Was it their fauly? No of course not. It was the eeeevil mortgage broker's fault, or Wall St's fault or most likely racism.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 23, 2013 05:33 PM (0LHZx)

68 Thank God an new thread, thanks NDH.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 05:34 PM (0FSuD)

69
The Caddy?
I'm calling it a '56
I wouldn't bet my pay check on it, but I would bet yours...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 05:35 PM (aDwsi)

70 BTW the Ford Edge is adorbs. What's an eco boost though? I think I might end up leasing one if the job continues.

"EcoBoost" is a small engine turbocharged like crazy. Improves gas mileage and has the performance of a bigger motor.

The "ST" hotrod Fords (Focus and Fiesta) use 'em, too.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 05:35 PM (kaGpp)

71 Probably the most fun vehicle I ever drove was our old '44 Willys MB.>>

That is the firs vehicle I ever crashed. My older brother had one. An while learning to drive on old logging trails I hit a tree with the end of the front bumper (did not apply the clutch while braking and panicked). Thought my brother was going to kill me. But He just grabbed a chain, hooked it to a tree and pulled it kinda straight again.

Posted by: The Hickster at November 23, 2013 05:36 PM (DUGve)

72 @30

VW GTI's are nice, although they're going to be built in Mexico starting with the '14 model year. The current ones are built in Germany.

Posted by: Gran at November 23, 2013 05:36 PM (nPMjI)

73
Post Office used a modified CJ, all 2WDs. Nothing like the CJ2A made after the war. They were shit from the gitgo.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 23, 2013 05:36 PM (SAMxH)

74 43 Please don't give those bloody Yanks an idea for a Doctor Who series to go with their horrid tripe they call Top Gear. The Doctor would probably be driving a TARDIS who's chameleon circuit is stuck being a Chevy Volt.

I'm just grateful we were spared an Americanized Red Dwarf.

Posted by: Anachronda at November 23, 2013 05:38 PM (U82Km)

75 or were they special built for the USPS with the right-handed steering wheel?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 05:33 PM


American Motors (successor to Willys Jeep) built those for the Post Office. Two-wheel drive and not at all off-road capable. I know people who bout surplus USPS Jeeps and tried to go to the backwoods with 'em. Bad move.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 05:38 PM (kaGpp)

76 The Caddy?
I'm calling it a '56
I wouldn't bet my pay check on it, but I would bet yours...
Posted by: Mike Hammer
----------------------------------

That was my guess.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 05:38 PM (4Mv1T)

77 I’m confused, I thought it was a Chevy Volt? Or is Volt part of the description?

***

It is. The Cadillac is actually the ELR model, but it has been built with technology from the Volt.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2013 05:38 PM (DmNpO)

78 TR - Tip-off, the grill

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 05:39 PM (aDwsi)

79 There's a dealer in Memphis (Gwatney Mazda of Grrmantown) that does such good Internet deals of great quality used cars that people fly in from other parts of the country to buy. More smart dealers are going to adopt that model because it works.
Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 05:03 PM (5Q1ZU)

_____________

Yeah, same with a Dodge dealer in N. Idaho. People come in from all over the west to buy trucks from him.

Last new car I bought was from Seattle, about 300 miles from home. I email every dealer within that 300 mile radius, told them exactly the car I wanted and said give me the cheapest price.

Even including a 1 way flight to Seattle and gas to drive it back, I saved $1100 over the best price I could find locally.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 23, 2013 05:39 PM (0LHZx)

80
So I taught Road Boy #2 how to fix a flat tire today. And by "fix", I mean hightail it to the nearest car shop before they close at 5 on Saturday.
Posted by: Tobacco Road



If I ask the teens and twents in the family at Thanksgiving what they:

1. Know how to fix on a car.
2. What they would be willing to try and fix with instruction.

I suspect I shall be quite disappointed.

Macgyvering a patch on a leaking hose 50 miles from home may be a lost art for the average young-in.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 23, 2013 05:40 PM (kdS6q)

81

Yeah but they mustve had a blast getting stuck in the woods while driving from the wrong side!

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 05:40 PM (4aQMp)

82 TR - Tip-off, the grill

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 05:39 PM


When I was a kid circa 1960, I could watch any damn car go by and recite year, make and model. Yeah, I was one of those insufferable creeps.

Now, not so much. But I'm still insufferable.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 05:41 PM (kaGpp)

83 It amuses me that the mailmen here drive a purpose built mail truck, at least bodied by Grumman.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 05:42 PM (aDwsi)

84 When I was a kid circa 1960, I could watch any damn car go by and recite year, make and model. Yeah, I was one of those insufferable creeps.

***

My ex-boyfriend was impressed that I could identify cars in the dark based upon their headlight and taillight configurations.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2013 05:42 PM (DmNpO)

85 "Say goodbye to UAW-free foreign car manufacturing in the South as VW Chattanooga and the UAW push for a "German-style" works council."

Not unionizing would actually be patriotic. Democrat politicians to deliver speeches to that effect never. It's almost as if some classes, and the Middle Class, are supposed to commit economic seppuku/bukkake because patriotism, and others aren't. 'Vorwaertz, werkers und volks. Fuer das vater land. Und das volks wagon. Und das werker partei. Und Kaiser Obama.'



Later.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 23, 2013 05:43 PM (M8OWQ)

86 Now, not so much. But I'm still insufferable.

Posted by: MrScribbler
--------------

Same here, but it stopped, when?.... mid-late 70's.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 05:43 PM (aDwsi)

87 Yeah but they mustve had a blast getting stuck in the woods while driving from the wrong side!

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 05:40 PM


Ain't no fun no-how when ya bend the frame trying to rock-crawl.

Irongrampa says they were shit. Not true. They were worse than shit.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 05:43 PM (kaGpp)

88 Macgyvering a patch on a leaking hose 50 miles from home may be a lost art for the average young-in.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
-------------------------

I repaired my cars on my own till I made enough to pay somebody else to do it when they got all electronic in the 70's. I was a mechanic (of sorts) at the Sears Auto Center when I was in high school and enjoyed it.

That said, at 17 and 21 my boys don't give a hoot about knowing what to do, so I give them both a AAA card so their problems don't become my problems. Any more than they already do.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 05:44 PM (4Mv1T)

89 Work and work and work all day at the car wash.

Taking it off here boss.


http://tinyurl.com/mdt3r42

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 05:44 PM (0FSuD)

90 62
I posted this then immediately ran back out so I was sitting at a red light when I read this.

The folks in the car next to me must have thought I'm crazy from my LOLing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2013 05:31 PM (DmNpO)


Thanks.

I come up with a good one once in a while.

Posted by: rickl at November 23, 2013 05:44 PM (sdi6R)

91 My ex-boyfriend was impressed that I could identify cars in the dark based upon their headlight and taillight configurations.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2013 05:42 PM


I'm betting you would have been confused as hell in 1958, when cars grew two more headlights!

But I definitely would have been impressed if I knew a girl-type who could identify cars. At the time, I thought they were only good for, well, ....

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 05:46 PM (kaGpp)

92 *an image evoked of the last time I put quarters in a newspaper vending machine..., and the SOB would not vend the paper*

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 05:46 PM (aDwsi)

93 VW crapped out of US manufacturing back in the '80s when they bought a Chrysler plant in Pennsylvania and hired a bunch of ex-GM management to run their US operation. It was only a partial disaster - the wonderful Mk1 GTI was built there - but within a few years they'd given up and shifted their bulk US-market product to Mexico.

I predict similar results if the UAW gets into their Tennessee facility.

BMW, VW, and Mercedes to name the visible consumer names are desperately in need of non-German manufacturing due to energy cost problems back home, the US has the potential to be a prime beneficiary of the EU's disastrous energy policies, but I'm sure the current administration could screw that up.

After all, just like the "deficient" health insurance that had to die so Obamacare could live, "deficient" non-union jobs that pay well above the local norm but aren't subject to UAW work rules can't be worth having, right?

Posted by: JEM at November 23, 2013 05:48 PM (o+SC1)

94 and the SOB would not vend the paper*
Posted by: Mike Hammer
---------------------------

You pulled the door handle out against the latch while soundly wacking the top of the box with your fist and they'd pop open every time.

Likewise for getting electric window motors to work when stuck open or shut. Firmly whack with the heel of your fist against the bottom of the interior side of thecar door while activating the window switch with the other hand.

Spares you the $400 window motor replacement.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 05:50 PM (4Mv1T)

95

trivia: What's the link between Harley Davidson motorcycles and bowling?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 05:50 PM (4aQMp)

96 trivia: What's the link between Harley Davidson motorcycles and bowling?


Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 05:50 PM


AMF.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 05:52 PM (kaGpp)

97 Trivia - what do Harley-Davidson motorcycles and Subaru cars have in common?

Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 05:52 PM (5Q1ZU)

98 I see no way a bunch of TN rednecks are going to vote for a union. They do not have that many Blacks in Chat. and it's a right to work state. Nissan makes trucks outside Nashville, no union.

VW likes the "union council" because the state of Bavaria owns the part of the company that Porsche doesn't own.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 05:53 PM (0FSuD)

99 ...
00 WHAT CAN I DO,
01 SIR/MADAM,
02 TO GET YOU INTO
03 THIS CAR/TRUCK?

Posted by: MSRP Decepticon at November 23, 2013 05:53 PM (R6JT1)

100 Remember the AMF Harley-Davdison golf carts?

I remember one rental example of same that was so clapped-out that my father and I had to push it uphill.

Posted by: JEM at November 23, 2013 05:54 PM (o+SC1)

101 Unions are a bit different in Germany. Not as
rapacious as here, and not as violent as in France.


Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 05:26 PM

Not sure if you're right on that -- when I was there, a mechanic's life could be made pretty rough if caught in "schwartzarbeit" -- shadetree repairs, in their home garage.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at November 23, 2013 05:54 PM (KQp38)

102 97 Trivia - what do Harley-Davidson motorcycles and Subaru cars have in common?

Lesbo's buy both?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 05:54 PM (0FSuD)

103 @98 - actually, Porsche's attempt at grabbing collapsed utterly, and VW put on the strap-on and rogered Porsche right up the ass.

There's a couple former Porsche execs who've been, IIRC, convicted of stock-jobbing in that one.

Posted by: JEM at November 23, 2013 05:56 PM (o+SC1)

104 "By the time I get to Phoenix,
I'll be wasted....................."

Posted by: Sing it, Glen!! at November 23, 2013 05:56 PM (3sZO1)

105
If you're bored, checkout AMF's wiki entry. Quite an inreresting saga in industrial.Americana.

I guess bowling was huge in the '50's because AMF made a fortune.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 05:57 PM (4aQMp)

106 After all, just like the "deficient" health insurance that had to die so Obamacare could live, "deficient" non-union jobs that pay well above the local norm but aren't subject to UAW work rules can't be worth having, right?
Posted by: JEM

I am amused by the periodic attempt by the UAW to unionize Honda manufacturing in the Marysville, Ohio plant (and the rest of their local factories). I remember one particular picture in the paper which had a UAW-goon wannabe with his arm draped around one of the Japanese employees at Honda. The Japanese guy had this inscrutable grin on his face. Uh-huh.

Knowing some of the folks that work there, my opinion on that ever happening is:
1) snowballs
2) Hell
3) statistical likelihood

Connect the dots.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 23, 2013 05:57 PM (v6hyJ)

107 ...
00 THESE SEATS FOLD DOWN
01 FOR STORAGE/MALWARE INFECTION
02 ALLOWING YOU TO TOTE YOUR
03 VALUABLES/CHILDREN/TROJANS

Posted by: MSRP Decepticon at November 23, 2013 05:59 PM (R6JT1)

108 @103

I knew that tax deal fucked the total take over, but I believe Porsche still controls the company. I know the Germany government still owns a big chunk of it.

Remember ole man Porsche designed the Volkswagen, aka "Peoples car" for Hitler.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 05:59 PM (0FSuD)

109 I guess bowling was huge in the '50's because AMF made a fortune.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 05:57 PM


Bowling was monstro in the '50s, and AMF had zillions of Bowling Centers across the country where you could go roll a few and hit the coffee shop. Fun times.

I think most of the buildings they put up got demolished when bowling went Tango Uniform. They were no good for any other purpose.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 06:00 PM (kaGpp)

110 Back when Subaru's buyer base was mostly Ann Dunhamesque hippies, I'd have said they had a lot in common with the HD buyer base....

Posted by: JEM at November 23, 2013 06:00 PM (o+SC1)

111 Trivia - what do Harley-Davidson motorcycles and Subaru cars have in common?

Answer -

Porsche engineering of some of their engines

Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 06:01 PM (5Q1ZU)

112 "So, you think the payment is still too high by $50 a month? Do you drink soda? If you cut out just one soda a day, you can save that $50 difference and I can put you in this fabulous car today. Why don't you take it home for the night and see what the neighbors think?"

Posted by: Meremortal, lewd info mofo at November 23, 2013 06:02 PM (1Y+hH)

113 I don't know the ownership "breakdown" but Porsche, Audi and VW are under the same corporate umbrella, the "Auto-union", the 4-interlocked circles that is the Audi logo.

Many of the parts for Porsche, Audi and VW (Porsche and Audi in particular) are interchangeable. The difference is that Audi's are assembled in Germany, and most of the VW's are assembled in Mexico (that are sold in the US, North America). I had a friend buy a new Passat station wagon, that had serious cosmetic trim problems when she was ready to drive it off the lot. Mexico.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 23, 2013 06:03 PM (v6hyJ)

114

I love American business history. So fascinating, so cool. Inspiring, even!

AMF (yrs 1900-1943)- The company was founded by Rufus L. Patterson, inventor of the first automated cigarette manufacturing machine...the company began by manufacturing cigarette, baking, and stitching machines.

And then...an automatic bowling-pin setter.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 06:03 PM (4aQMp)

115 I remember a training video on Statistical Process Control in the late 80s that highlighted how far Harley had fallen under AMF. Brand new motorcycles leaking oil on the showroom floor. And because Harley was at the edge of the cliff they finally instituted real quality control and came back strong. It was as much motivational to get us on board with the new SPC controls.

Posted by: The Hickster at November 23, 2013 06:03 PM (DUGve)

116 @111 - I just bought a Porsche-engineered engine for a project car. Closest guess gets - well, nothing, but it's not a Porsche, a Scooby, or a Hardly.

Posted by: JEM at November 23, 2013 06:03 PM (o+SC1)

117 Porsche engineering of some of their engines

Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 06:01 PM


A good chunk of Porsche's income comes from engineering work they do for other companies. Most, no one knows about, but there are plenty of Japanese and even American customers who shop there.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 06:04 PM (kaGpp)

118 Wassup with the Morons and repairing their own tires? Tobacco Road tried to make it sound like particle physics or something.

If the hole ain't in the sidewall, you plug the mfer. If the hole IS in the sidewall, you wave bye bye to the tire and get a new one.

If you're the real nervous nellie type, you put the plugged tire on the rear end.

I've plugged moar tires than most of you have plugged your USB drives.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 23, 2013 06:04 PM (cHZB7)

119 "By the time I get to Phoenix,
I'll be wasted....................."

Oh man, and he was. On Cocaine in 79. Playing craps with $500 chips and losing his ass.

Posted by: Meremortal, lewd info mofo at November 23, 2013 06:04 PM (1Y+hH)

120
Tomorrow is the exciting finale, sob, of Boardwalk Empire. There is nothing left of television to watch!!!!11!!!!

Posted by: Freezing In LA at November 23, 2013 06:04 PM (kkbgQ)

121
AMF is still in the bowling alley business, after all these years.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 06:04 PM (4aQMp)

122 AMF is what I used to say to guys on Harleys from the seat of my Yamaha 1100 Maxim.

Posted by: Meremortal, lewd info mofo at November 23, 2013 06:06 PM (1Y+hH)

123 ...
00 PLEASE NOTE THE AIRBAGS IN
01 HEADLINER/CUP HOLDER
02 THAT INFLATE TO SPARE YOUR
03 LUNGS COLLAPSING UNSCALDED

Posted by: MSRP Decepticon at November 23, 2013 06:06 PM (R6JT1)

124 @ 115

Leaking oil on a showroom floor? That is SOP for British Leyland Motor products. I remember at one dealership asking why the plastic drop cloths under the brand new Jaguars.

Because they leak and cannot be made leak free.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 23, 2013 06:07 PM (SAMxH)

125 I've plugged moar tires than most of you have plugged your USB drives.


Posted by: GnuBreed at November 23, 2013 06:04 PM


Well, some guys prefer women, some have li'l barnyard friends, so I guess plugging tires isn't so odd....

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 06:08 PM (kaGpp)

126 Wassup with the Morons and repairing their own tires? Tobacco Road tried to make it sound like particle physics or something.
------------------------------------------

Signing the credit card receipt was actually quite easy.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 06:08 PM (4Mv1T)

127 Speaking of repairing or plugging tires, one of the not well-known extra costs of owning a true sports car is that whenever anything goes wrong with its high-speed rated tires, they can't be repaired. Not should anyone try to do so. Imagine a blow-out at high speed ...

Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 06:09 PM (5Q1ZU)

128 @ 118

Gnu, I'll take that bet. After 40 years, I 'm thinking I hold the edge.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 23, 2013 06:09 PM (SAMxH)

129
The latest Jaguars are exquisite.
I'm actually becoming quite fond of the Maserati sedan.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 06:09 PM (4aQMp)

130 I drive by a 1970's AMF bowling alley everyday on the way to my new office.

One morning at about 10, OK I go in late I am the boss, the entire parking lot was full.

A woman was coming out and I asked WTF was going on, figuring they were using the parking lot for something else, senior bowling league!

They bowl like two time as week in the morning.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:10 PM (0FSuD)

131 ...
00 TIRES BREAK OWN BEADS
01 AT HIGHWAY SPEEDS/REST
02 ALLOWING SERVICING BY
03 PATCHING WITH STICKY BLOOD

Posted by: MSRP Decepticon at November 23, 2013 06:10 PM (R6JT1)

132 116
@111 - I just bought a Porsche-engineered engine for a project car.
Closest guess gets - well, nothing, but it's not a Porsche, a Scooby, or
a Hardly.


VW 1300cc?

Posted by: Anachronda at November 23, 2013 06:10 PM (U82Km)

133 I'm actually becoming quite fond of the Maserati sedan.
Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 06:09 PM


From a distance, I hope. They are about as well-built as a Trabant, and slightly less reliable.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 06:11 PM (kaGpp)

134 I remember a training video on Statistical Process Control in the late
80s that highlighted how far Harley had fallen under AMF. Brand new
motorcycles leaking oil on the showroom floor.


They show some of that in the Harley-Davidson museum, which seems a little surprising except the average visitor is old enough to remember all that happening so there was no point pretending it didn't.

They spend more time on buying the company back from AMF.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 23, 2013 06:11 PM (hO8IJ)

135 122 AMF is what I used to say to guys on Harleys from the seat of my Yamaha 1100 Maxim.
Posted by: Meremortal, lewd info mofo at November 23, 2013 06:06 PM (1Y+hH)

I said what you wrote there. Good one. But did they kick your butt when they saw you again? Harley riders are tough that way.

Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 06:11 PM (5Q1ZU)

136 @124 - BL, one of the numerous vampires unleashed upon British industry by nationalization.

Suck all the money out and wait for the carcass to collapse.

While I still think Ford's purchase of Jaguar (and, much later, Land Rover) could have been a good thing for Dearborn, it's clear they didn't really understand the capital commitment and sheer bloody-minded union-hammering would be needed to fix what BL had done to the company.

Posted by: JEM at November 23, 2013 06:11 PM (o+SC1)

137 129
The latest Jaguars are exquisite.

They are hot looking, but a friend of mine has one, the big one, and says they are built on a Ford frame.

Didn't know that. He's not impressed with it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:12 PM (0FSuD)

138
It's nice to know bowling is still popular in the USA. It's very...American, and I'd hate to see it die out.

Me? I never liked bowling one bit.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 06:13 PM (4aQMp)

139 @132 - no, not VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda anything.

Posted by: JEM at November 23, 2013 06:13 PM (o+SC1)

140 Guy who had an office next to mine has a kid who bowled a 300 in 8th grade.

Kid was good.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 06:14 PM (4Mv1T)

141
yes the Jaguar and Ford Taurus/Sable shared practically the same frame and body for a while

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 06:14 PM (4aQMp)

142 Me? I never liked bowling one bit.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 06:13 PM (4aQMp)

It's fun and a good way to drink beer. I first started bowling as a kid, with "duck pins", anyone else ever bowled with those?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:14 PM (0FSuD)

143
If the hole ain't in the sidewall, you plug the mfer. If the hole IS in the sidewall, you wave bye bye to the tire and get a new one.
Posted by: GnuBreed



For awhile there, with the flood of inexpensive imported tires coming in, it was almost cheaper to replace than fix.

Then Obama, tariffs and welcome to the $200 tire change, with service, tax, eco fees and what have you.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 23, 2013 06:15 PM (kdS6q)

144 Well, the '96 Bentley Turbo R disappeared from the used car lot I saw it in.. And I only had about 199,999 pop cans to go...:-(
Oh well, back to the Camry and playing gas mileage games with the eco light. At least I won't worry about the reliability on my way to a funeral in IL tomorrow.

Posted by: JustDave in GR at November 23, 2013 06:15 PM (Rf19I)

145 They are hot looking, but a friend of mine has one, the big one, and says they are built on a Ford frame.


Not quite true. The late and unlamented Jaguar S-Type shared its structure, engine and other mechanical bits with the Lincoln LS, but other Jaguars from the Ford era had engines derived from Ford designs.

Ditto for Range Rover, before BMW took them over. And the Aston Martin V-12 is actually two Ford "Duratec" V6es with a common engine block.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 23, 2013 06:16 PM (kaGpp)

146 143
If the hole ain't in the sidewall, you plug the mfer. If the hole IS in the sidewall, you wave bye bye to the tire and get a new one.
Posted by: GnuBreed

Tell me about it. Low profile tires suck. I ran over a curb and the fucking wheel cut a hole in the side wall.

$340 tire.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:16 PM (0FSuD)

147 I said what you wrote there. Good one. But did they kick your butt when they saw you again? Harley riders are tough that way.
Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 06:11 PM (5Q1ZU)

As you come up behind them you check the clothes and the bike. Shiny new Harley and new Harley jacket, give 'em some shit. Old Panhead and the guy wearing a jacket so dirty you can barely read "Sons of Silence", back off and turn off.

Posted by: Meremortal, lewd info mofo at November 23, 2013 06:18 PM (1Y+hH)

148 @145

His is brand new, the big one. Good looking, he says the quality is NOT BMW or MB.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:18 PM (0FSuD)

149 I've noticed people who drive Teslas pull the same "I'm entitled to break the rules" bullshit stunts as Prius drivers.

Posted by: Beto at November 23, 2013 06:19 PM (MhA4j)

150

Up here in MA we have "candlepin" bowling with little skinny pins and little balls...with no holes.

As a kid I always wondered why I saw different bowling balls and pins on TV. I was so jealous.

To this day, I have never bowled in a 'real' bowling alley with a real ball.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 06:19 PM (4aQMp)

151 Ford poached a guy named Wolfgang Reitzle from - I think - BMW.

Was a committed Anglophile, Ford already owned Jag by this point but he drove them to buy Land Rover from BMW.

BMW had already reeengineered all of Rover Group's products but hadn't fixed their production problems, the unions at Solihull (LR plant) came unglued at the idea they shouldn't be allowed to smoke while building Range Rovers.

If I'd run the place I'd have had told the union that I'd bulldoze the fucking factory and move production to Jaguar Halewood TO-fucking-MORROW.

Posted by: JEM at November 23, 2013 06:19 PM (o+SC1)

152

MrScribbler knows what I'm talking about.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 06:20 PM (4aQMp)

153 I love cars!!! Not Priuses, but real cars. My first car was a Mercedes 180c. Like a little Hitler car. Now I have a 2002 Jeep Liberty with just over 60,000 miles on it. I heart that Jeep o' Death.

Posted by: Peaches at November 23, 2013 06:20 PM (8lmkt)

154 149 I've noticed people who drive Teslas pull the same "I'm entitled to break the rules" bullshit stunts as Prius drivers.

True dat. I sat next to a CA asshole on a long plane trip and all he could talk about was his fucking car.

I asked him if he ever left it in an airport parking lot for a trip. That shut him up.

If you leave the car unplugged for more that 72 hours the battery dies and the car is a brick. No warranty and new battery?

$40K

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:21 PM (0FSuD)

155 Up here in MA we have "candlepin" bowling with little skinny pins and little balls...with no holes

Those are "duck pins"! Great fun for kids.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:23 PM (0FSuD)

156 So what is the latest position by tire manufacturers on plugging versus patching?

It has flip flopped over the years. I used to patch them at Sears in the early 70's when I worked there. And car shops patch them today.

Lots of plugging went on in between.

What's the deal?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 06:24 PM (4Mv1T)

157 Duckpin bowling.

http://tinyurl.com/you6ft

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:24 PM (0FSuD)

158 @155 - isn't that called bocce?

Posted by: JEM at November 23, 2013 06:24 PM (o+SC1)

159 If you leave the car unplugged for more that 72 hours the battery dies and the car is a brick. No warranty and new battery?

$40K


Wow, one power outage from disaster.

Posted by: Meremortal, lewd info mofo at November 23, 2013 06:24 PM (1Y+hH)

160 More about VW -

It owns Bentley.

The Bentley Continental GT3 is going to be raced.

Imagine that....

Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 06:25 PM (5Q1ZU)

161 ...
00 THIS MODEL COMPLIES WITH
01 STRINGENT PHEROMONE
02 REGULATIONS WITH SEAT SENSORS
03 RANDOMLY PROBING YOUR PORTS

Posted by: MSRP Decepticon at November 23, 2013 06:25 PM (R6JT1)

162 Plugging leaves a high spot on the tire and is cheaper to do. I've done many myself.

Patching is safer and more expensive, requires tire to come off rim.

Guess what? Tire stores patch.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:26 PM (0FSuD)

163 Posted by: MSRP Decepticon at November 23, 2013 06:25 PM (R6JT1)

You keep leaving out that most important word:

Invoice.

Posted by: Meremortal, lewd info mofo at November 23, 2013 06:27 PM (1Y+hH)

164 @160 - VAG owns a lot of stuff. Bentley. Lamborghini. And so on.

The story of how VAG thought they'd bought Rolls-Royce - they got the plant and the product but BMW poached the brand - is worth googling.

IIRC people got fired with extreme prejudice over that one. As big a fuckup as Porsche's failed takeover of VAG.

Posted by: JEM at November 23, 2013 06:28 PM (o+SC1)

165 Patching is safer and more expensive, requires tire to come off rim.

Guess what? Tire stores patch.
Posted by: Nip Sip
------------------------------
And a re-balance if you don't mark the tire and rim before breaking down the tire off the rim

But it was $18 today for a patch. For $18, I am not interested in screwing with it myself. If you plug it yourself, you still need air to re-inflate the tire and I don't drive around with a tank, although I might get one to keep at the house.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 06:28 PM (4Mv1T)

166
My ride is a 25 year old SUV made by Chrysler. It has zero body rust and does it's job just fine. It has the bells and whistles to make travel quite comfortable, so I see no reason to buy something else.

Looked at everything, liked none of them--even my beloved Dodges.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 23, 2013 06:28 PM (SAMxH)

167 Okay, you know what fries my ass? Here in LA there are all these "charging stations" in the parking structures where we all park (for the beaucoup bucks). Who the fuck is paying for all that electricity? Shouldn't these assholes be charged for that? (yes, I am part of the "anger epidemic")

Posted by: Peaches at November 23, 2013 06:29 PM (8lmkt)

168 I first started bowling as a kid, with "duck pins", anyone else ever bowled with those?

Yup. If you're ever in MKE, go here:
http://www.kozsminibowl.com

Call ahead, so they get one of the grandkids to set the pins for you.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 23, 2013 06:29 PM (hO8IJ)

169 Oh, wait, more anger!!! I was over at the Pep Boys this afternoon because there was a giant SCREW in my brand new tire. Outside bothering the loved ones with calls, since I didn't bring a book. Just in time to see TFG's helicopters all flying over. I waved. Just the one finger, as usual.

Posted by: Peaches at November 23, 2013 06:30 PM (8lmkt)

170 @167

"Who the fuck is paying for all that electricity?"


I'll give you one guess.....

Posted by: Kreplach at November 23, 2013 06:31 PM (hmUex)

171 Ford doesn't make any rear-wheel-drive 'frames' anymore, it would be quite difficult.

Now the Jag X type (2001-2009) was mostly the same as the European Ford Mondeo, and the Jag S Type (1999-200 provided the basis of the Lincoln LS suspension (2000-2006). But current Jags share nothing with any current Ford products. In fact Ford sold Jag in early 2008.

Posted by: phreshone at November 23, 2013 06:31 PM (Pr6hk)

172 @168

COOL. Worth a trip for some beer and brauts!

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:31 PM (0FSuD)

173 ...
00 LET ME CHECK WITH MANAGER
01 010110001101000101110001101
02 HAVE YOU TRIED THE COFFEE?
03 GO TO 00

Posted by: MSRP Decepticon at November 23, 2013 06:32 PM (R6JT1)

174 Guess what? Tire stores patch.>>

I used to work in gas stations back in the 70s (when a repair shop was standard). We always patched. I plug my own now but have had some plugs develop a slow leak. So if you have the equipment a patch is better IMO and less risk of pissing off a customer for the service station. But being a cheap bastard without a tire machine I plug.

Posted by: The Hickster at November 23, 2013 06:33 PM (DUGve)

175 "Who the fuck is paying for all that electricity?"


I'll give you one guess.....


Posted by: Kreplach at November 23, 2013 06:31 PM (hmUex)

It's "free," right? (kill me now, kill me now, kill me now)
I do, however, get all warm about Bentleys. If I won a huge lottery, I would totes buy one immediately. The car is a tank.

Posted by: Peaches at November 23, 2013 06:34 PM (8lmkt)

176 @169 - got to watch a C-17 fly over my driveway into SFO the other day. President Obamacare's motorcade, I guess, he had some kind of fundraiser going in SF.

How much do we have to pay the little piece of shit to just go away? Maybe the House should pass a bill earmarking a billion to the UN if they can bribe Barky to resign the Presidency and go be Secretary-General?

Posted by: JEM at November 23, 2013 06:34 PM (o+SC1)

177 This weekend?

The lull before the storm. Thanksgiving, Black Friday, Hanukkah, Christmas crazy.

Enjoy doing nothing cause shit is going to get real next week ( and cold as shit).

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:35 PM (0FSuD)

178 I didn't need a patch, it was a very short screw with a very big head, with one of those little grommet thingies around it. No charge. Better be good, too, cause I gots to drive down to San Diego and back on Thurs.

Posted by: Peaches at November 23, 2013 06:35 PM (8lmkt)

179
I have one of those Jumper Packs. Mine also has an air compressor. I keep it in the car.

I also keep my tire plug kit in the car. I ain't calling no tow truck for $75-100 for a jump or a flat.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 06:35 PM (4aQMp)

180 Although Jag and Ford split 5 years or so ago, it seems like the current Jags, Astons, and Ford Fusion had their sleek outer shells conceived from a common mother designer.

Amirite?

Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 06:36 PM (5Q1ZU)

181 I prefer the cord type plugs. Not all plugs are created equal. I used to have a few leakers until I started buying quality plug material.

Posted by: Ronster at November 23, 2013 06:37 PM (Rru72)

182 Well, the '96 Bentley Turbo R disappeared from the used car lot I saw it in.. ..

Posted by: JustDave in GR at November 23, 2013 06:15 PM

In 1999 I took a wad of cash to an estate sale with a friend who does these things and wound up with the '89 Bentley Turbo for $1200. Everybody else was there for the art, antique furniture and 19th century figurines so I was high bid by $800. shit.
It was up on blocks with no wheels to be seen. Covered with a dusty, paint splattered tarp and the battery was dead. I tried the door and it was open, 17,162 miles.
I spent another $4000 on the tow, new wheels, scheduled maintenance and some electrical issues.
I sold it to a guy who brokered high end cars for $25,000
I put a roof on my hose and replaced the Central Air system.

Posted by: The Man at November 23, 2013 06:37 PM (MhA4j)

183 UN if they can bribe Barky to resign the Presidency and go be Secretary-General?

Posted by: JEM at November 23, 2013 06:34 PM (o+SC1)

It was mentioned last night. JEF can not go to the UN. No member nation of the permanent security council can be the head of the UN.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:38 PM (0FSuD)

184
I also hide a spare key under my car in case the battery dies and I can't open the door with the keypad.

(I leave my car key inside the car at all times.)

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 06:38 PM (4aQMp)

185 Just in time to see TFG's helicopters all flying over. I waved. Just the one finger, as usual.

*shoves Leinie's through the USB port*
My compliments.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 23, 2013 06:39 PM (hO8IJ)

186 Posted by: The Man at November 23, 2013 06:37 PM (MhA4j)

High five, you awesome dude!!!

Posted by: Peaches at November 23, 2013 06:39 PM (8lmkt)

187 So I was looking at new Toyota trucks this week. The dealer not only double stickers, but triple stickers. Hendrick.

The original factory window sticker is reproduced by Toyota Southeast where they add a $900 "administrative" fee and print off the "factory window sticker, and it looks like it came from the factory, but it's an added regional fee.

Then third sticker has the $395 window tint, and $395 special coating BS.

I don't think I will be buying from this guys. Which is a shame since they are close by, and the other Toyota dealer is not.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 06:40 PM (4Mv1T)

188 Ford definitely cribbed a lot of its current design language from Aston.

Current Aston Martin / Jaguar owners should be very happy that Ford happened to own them at one point. Both still had troubled quality when Ford bought them, and by the 2003 model year, both had become very reliable cars. 2003+ Jag S Types are supposed to be very good used buys.

Posted by: phreshone at November 23, 2013 06:40 PM (Pr6hk)

189 *shoves Leinie's through the USB port*
My compliments.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at November 23, 2013 06:39 PM (hO8IJ)

OMG, I've always wanted to try a Leinie's . . . I read all the John Sandford books and, natch, my fave is that fuckin Flowers. They are always pounding Leinie's. Now I know why. xoxo

Posted by: Peaches at November 23, 2013 06:41 PM (8lmkt)

190 I got to sit in and start a Jaguar(pronounced with 3 syllables) XFyesterday. The engine note was pure sex.

Posted by: Northernlurker at November 23, 2013 06:42 PM (Xmw9g)

191 I ain't calling no tow truck for $75-100 for a jump or a flat.
Posted by: soothsayer
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I've never asked AAA before, but I think they'll fix a tire on the side of the road.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 06:42 PM (4Mv1T)

192 @184

I have a key taped to the frame of all my old Land cruisers, 76 and 90, but the new cars are hard as shit to find some place to hide a key.

The entire undercarriage is solid. The keys are electric, so if they get wet, you are fucked.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:43 PM (0FSuD)

193 I've never asked AAA before, but I think they'll fix a tire on the side of the road.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 06:42 PM (4Mv1T)

Nope, they will change a spare or tow you. No fixing.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:43 PM (0FSuD)

194 @171 - my recollection was that it was the other way 'round, the LS (Ford codename DEW9 started within Ford as a replacement for the Euro market Scorpio/Granada. Jag came on board and contributed the AJ-V8 engine, but it wasn't until Ford bought Volvo that they decided they no longer wanted a Ford-branded executive-class sedan in Europe.

Posted by: JEM at November 23, 2013 06:44 PM (o+SC1)

195 155 Up here in MA we have "candlepin" bowling with little skinny pins and little balls...with no holes

Those are "duck pins"! Great fun for kids.


And they used to have those men's league matches on WGBY in Springy on Saturdays. Down here in CT we use the big balls, with holes.

Posted by: jaimo at November 23, 2013 06:45 PM (nFmZ1)

196 Nope, they will change a spare or tow you. No fixing.
Posted by: Nip Sip
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Now I remember. They will install a new battery. They did for my MIL recently, and did a dreadful job of replacing the corroded cable. Had to be redone later.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 06:46 PM (4Mv1T)

197 @196

Oh, they will sell you a shitty battery, no doubt.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:48 PM (0FSuD)

198 Bought a new Toyota in suburban Detroit in 1980 (I lived hours away from there in another state). Dealer practically gave it to me, what with all the UAW thugs in the area who had intimidated locals from buying foreign cars.

Tried to shop Toyotas a decade later. Felt like I was being assaulted by salesmen the instant my foot hit the lot - at several dealers. I gave up trying.

Now my impression is that only the Toyota trucks are worth buying - but I also hear that the dealers are still siccing the salesmen on prospective buyers. Life's too short to deal with that crap. Would buy a used one from a sane private seller any day.

Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 06:48 PM (5Q1ZU)

199 Anybody can call AAA. However, most people don't realize that they have roadside assistance on their auto policy. I think mine is about 12 bucks a year. And, no, none of 'em are gonna patch your tire.

Posted by: Peaches at November 23, 2013 06:49 PM (8lmkt)

200 Would buy a used one from a sane private seller any day.
Posted by: Interwebby
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You can work a better deal with a dealer. They don't give squat in trade when they take on in, so they have less in them if you are willing to haggle. Plus they have zero emotional attachment to the vehicle, or that investment. I was in the car business "between careers", but always took this approach anyway.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 06:52 PM (4Mv1T)

201
You really think I'm gonna sit and wait for AAA to send a tow truck?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 23, 2013 06:52 PM (4aQMp)

202 nood . . . Niedermeyer just stomped her own thread. Some movie thing. sigh

Posted by: Peaches at November 23, 2013 06:52 PM (8lmkt)

203 ...
00 OFF TO GO MISBEGOT YOUTH WITH
01 NEW CREDIT CARD SWIPE UNIT
02 WHO LIKES HOW MY RECEIPT
03 PAPER TICKLES HER LIKE NO OTHER

Posted by: MSRP Decepticon at November 23, 2013 06:53 PM (R6JT1)

204 I think mine is about 12 bucks a year. And, no, none of 'em are gonna patch your tire.

Posted by: Peaches at November 23, 2013 06:49 PM (8lmkt)

Your not paying $12. Mine is $120.

AAA towing? If you are not in an urban area it SUCKS.

I wait SIX hours for a tow truck and when he got there in a pickup truck, he had a chain to pull me out of a six foot ditch. I sent him home and hired a local tow.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:55 PM (0FSuD)

205 200 Would buy a used one from a sane private seller any day.
Posted by: Interwebby
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You can work a better deal with a dealer. They don't give squat in trade when they take on in, so they have less in them if you are willing to haggle. Plus they have zero emotional attachment to the vehicle, or that investment. I was in the car business "between careers", but always took this approach anyway.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 06:52 PM (4Mv1T)

Just not from a Toyota dealer ...

Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 06:55 PM (5Q1ZU)

206 I'm allergic to cats so I'll have to avoid the new thread.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 06:56 PM (4Mv1T)

207 nood . . . Niedermeyer just stomped her own thread. Some movie thing. sigh

***

It's been 2.5 hours. I thought some might want to celebrate great cinema.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2013 06:56 PM (DmNpO)

208 Just not from a Toyota dealer ...
Posted by: Interwebby
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Used vehicle sales are used vehicle sales. TA dealer will give as little as possible on trade, and sell that trade for as much as possible, or send it to the auction to unload it. This is universal.

The only thing that changes in the predisposition of the sales manager on any given day or hour as to how flexible he will be to move some iron, and how long it will take the buyer to get that sales manager to maximum flexibility. Patience is required to achieve this. For those without the patience, be content to pay more.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 07:00 PM (4Mv1T)

209 Dang I type for squat.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 07:00 PM (4Mv1T)

210 It's been 2.5 hours. I thought some might want to celebrate great cinema.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2013 06:56 PM (DmNpO)

Oh, I've been out at the bar and the Pep Boys and dove right into a laundry load . . . no disrespect, my friend, you know I love your posts!

Posted by: Peaches at November 23, 2013 07:01 PM (8lmkt)

211 209 Dang I type for squat.

Do you have to wear a condom for that?

Posted by: St Sandra at November 23, 2013 07:01 PM (0FSuD)

212 . . . no disrespect, my friend, you know I love your posts!


***

Lordy, girl. I know that! I didn't take it the wrong way, although reading my comment now it might appear that I did.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 23, 2013 07:03 PM (DmNpO)

213 Do you have to wear a condom for that?
Posted by: St Sandra
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I usually wear them on my finger when typing from the Barrel, or the ONT.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 07:04 PM (4Mv1T)

214 @213

LOL.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 07:05 PM (0FSuD)

215 Tobacco Road - I just don't like Toyota dealers because of their aggressive salesmen. That is all.

Posted by: Interwebby at November 23, 2013 07:05 PM (5Q1ZU)

216 Tobacco Road - I just don't like Toyota dealers because of their aggressive salesmen. That is all.
Posted by: Interwebby
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I don't find it to be brand specific. I was on a Toyota lot a few days ago. Had a really good experience with the salesman, and his boss. No pushing.

That said, I tend to be treated a little different when I tell them I spent a couple of years in the trenches of their business.

I find that sales strategy, the scripts, and protocols to be more a function of the dealer ownership, rather than the brand. in my experience.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 07:12 PM (4Mv1T)

217 I have never had trouble with car salesmen.

I find the car I want I tell salesman what I expect for my trade in and how much I'm going to put down and tell them what I want to pay a month to finance.

I tell them to make it happen and don't be bringing your "manager" over to try to tell me how you can't give me the car for that price.

I have always walked off the lot satisfied.

I believe people over think the whole car buying experience.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 23, 2013 07:13 PM (hmUex)

218 Kreplach - you car shop like my wife and I do.

Since the internet with all its car information leveled the playing field things have gone much better for savvy shoppers. Ticked off some old style dealers and salesmen but the smart ones have figured out how to make things work okay.

Posted by: Former car dude at November 23, 2013 07:19 PM (5Q1ZU)

219 I have always walked off the lot satisfied.

I believe people over think the whole car buying experience.
Posted by: Kreplach
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The one variable is that one dealer will take a deal that another one won't. I've had checks for the entire amount handed back to me by one dealer for a new car and bought the identical vehicle for the same amount a week later elsewhere.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 07:21 PM (4Mv1T)

220 When dealing with car salesmen. Knowing what you want to pay and walking away if you don't get that is the most important negotiating tactic. I have only bought 2 new cars in my life (51 yrs old). Both times they called me back as I hit the door ( also cut the dance to no more than 15 minutes) and gave me what I came in to offer. Did I offer too much? I'll never know but I did my research so I hope not.

Posted by: The Hickster at November 23, 2013 07:25 PM (DUGve)

221 Hickster, that has generally been my startegy and I find it the most effective.

The one thing people don't remember, and thus get impatient about is-

a) The salesman is invariably at the mercy of his boss, the sales manager

b) Once a deal is struck they have to cart that mountain of paerwork to the F and I office to do the title work, arrange financing if that is the case, etc, so on...

C) the salesman is required to "deliver" the car, by gassing it up, usually off lot, get it washed, explain all the crap on the car to the customer once they leave the F and I office that the manufacturer requires so that the salesman and dealer get perfect customer satisfaction scores, or be penalized by the manufacturer.

This crap takes about two hours generally speaking cradle to grave if there are other customers in the F and I office, and if other cars are being "delivered" that day/night.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 23, 2013 07:32 PM (4Mv1T)

222 The one thing people don't remember, and thus get impatient about is-
>>

The pricing part should be less than 30 minutes total. I know on at least one of those deals I came back the next day to pick up the car instead of waiting for that other stuff to happen.

I drive 80 miles a day round trip to work so I don't buy new cars anymore.

Posted by: The Hickster at November 23, 2013 07:39 PM (DUGve)

223 http://www.zeit.de/wissen/geschichte/2013-11/kennedy-attentat-bedeutung/komplettansicht

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 05:20 PM (aDwsi)

Probably a '56. Might be a a '55. Definitely not a '57, since the Dagmars on those had rubber nipples.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 23, 2013 08:10 PM (60Q+L)

224 It was mentioned last night. JEF can not go to the
UN. No member nation of the permanent security council can be the head
of the UN.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 23, 2013 06:38 PM (0FSuD)

Not a problem for Barky. He'll simply pull a Kenyan passport out of his ass. Or an Indonesian one.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 23, 2013 08:28 PM (60Q+L)

225 Dagmars on those had rubber nipples.

Posted by: Alberta
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Haven't heard that term in a Loooong time. Got a good chuckle. I think it is a '56. The grille in '56 was finer mesh than '55.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 23, 2013 08:35 PM (aDwsi)

226 Say goodbye to UAW-free foreign car manufacturing in the South as VW Chattanooga and the UAW push for a "German-style" works council.

Does the VW management really understand how unions typically operate in this country?

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 23, 2013 11:53 PM (VVsZ2)

227 Damn, I missed the car thread!
A
But 174 is pretty much exactly what I would have written, so there's that.

Also, a few of my friends have bought Volts and love them. Of course they are the kind of eco freaks that put solar panels on their roofs (hey-subsidies), and then they make too much electricity and don't get paid for it. So one solution is to use more electricity and an electric car can be that. The Volt is somewhat unique in that it can be used in all electric mode for a few miles, and if that's all you need to go, you can use all the extra electricity that the gummint paid for. In this case your ideal electric bill is $1. Any less than that is a waste.

I did donuts in one of the Volts and found it to be a heavy tractor, but with a lot of torque.

Posted by: scottst at November 24, 2013 01:08 PM (Fp9Vt)

228 ☺☻™ ◘ ♂

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