Top Headline Comments 9-30-13

Happy Monday.

Byron York on Ted Cruz: "Cruz and Lee painted differences in tactics as a lack of principle — or a sign of secret liberalism."

GOP Senators on Senate Conservatives Fund: “They are spending most of their money going after Republicans and making it harder for us to nominate and elect Republicans and regain the majority.”

Richard Lindzen on global warming: "I think that the latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence."

The AP on the shutdown: "Congressional Republicans vowed Sunday to keep using an otherwise routine federal funding bill to try to attack the president’s health care law."

Poll on the shutdown: "46% say they would blame congressional Republicans for a government shutdown, with 36% saying the president would be more responsible."


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1 Morning.

Posted by: NCKate at September 30, 2013 06:46 AM (Rs+1o)

2 Good Morning Morons. Today is Monday, September 30, 2013. On this day in 1938 Great Britain and France agreed to give Hitler the Sudetenland and signed the Munich Pact. Appeasement, it always returns and it always fails.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 06:50 AM (zZbNF)

3 Netenyahu to warn the UN about the fake smiles from Iran. Mostly he is warning the stupid Obama who loves our enemies and hates our friends.

http://tinyurl.com/ngclj3q

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 06:50 AM (zZbNF)

4 The militarization of police continues.

http://tinyurl.com/q8fadqm

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 06:50 AM (zZbNF)

5 Republicans are bashing the Senate as a "no show" and the spending bill but the MFM, like last time, is blaming Republicans for the shutdown.

http://tinyurl.com/kg6jjjl

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 06:50 AM (zZbNF)

6 Corrupt Holder is now going after NC's new voting law using Section 2 of the VRA after the Supremes struck down Section 5. I say when they lose ALL costs should be paid personally by Holder. I am waiting for a State to sue him for harassment.

http://tinyurl.com/ncvjvoc

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 06:50 AM (zZbNF)

7 But how skewed is that CNN poll? And the CBS/NYT one?

Posted by: NCKate at September 30, 2013 06:51 AM (Rs+1o)

8 Canada has revoked the tax exempt status of an Islamic group for supporting terrorism. The same group operates in the US and has tax-exempt status. Will our IRS revoke their status? Well, since they don’t have Tea Party in their name, probably not.

http://tinyurl.com/otze4n8

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 06:51 AM (zZbNF)

9 On the heals of the federal bailout of Detroit after Obama lied and said there would be none we find that the city gave $2B in "bonuses" to the unions that are bankrupting the city.

http://tinyurl.com/kfcqfjd

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 06:51 AM (zZbNF)

10 Kindle Daily Deals

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That's it for today folks. Not much out there this morning. The looming shutdown is sucking all the O2 out of the news.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 06:51 AM (zZbNF)

11 “They are spending most of their money going after Republicans and making it harder for us to nominate and elect Republicans and regain the majority.”

I don't give a damn if Republicans are in the majority if they're going to vote like Democrats. These idiots need to understand we don't give a rip about their party, we care about people who are going to fight the Dems.

Posted by: Donna V. at September 30, 2013 06:53 AM (R3gO3)

12 On the shutdown poll, there is a more recent poll than that one that has it closer to 50-50. But what can you expect on a poll after the MFM bleats continuously about evil Republicans. Polls are useless on this score.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 06:53 AM (zZbNF)

13 Holy crap, the mice are taking over my house. I just sat and watched two of them chasing each other around the
kitchen.It was oddly cute

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz, now with popgun genitalia at September 30, 2013 06:55 AM (/AmDU)

14 Sometimes tactics ARE connected to a lack of principle. To bring recent news as an example, the decisions to invade or not to invade Syria was a matter of tactics. However, it certainly involved issues of principle, such as should we send our soldiers into another war, what do we do about Assad's chemical weapons, etc.

People who don't see a connection between tactics and principle have absolutely no business being political pundits.

Posted by: Boone at September 30, 2013 06:56 AM (tIyK2)

15 If it weren't so pernicious, the whole IPPC/global warming/carbon tax thing would be nothing more that good laugh. Knowing that it has implications for you and your country, it's just pitiful to watch 'educated' people argue for something that is based on a lie and not get really pissed.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 30, 2013 06:56 AM (9DDfG)

16 Morning folks.....Happy Monday

Posted by: wing and a prayer at September 30, 2013 06:56 AM (dLNm7)

17 Morning morons and degenerates. About time to close up shop at work and head home.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 30, 2013 06:59 AM (sQ0LB)

18

DAY 328

1,135 to go (1,206 to Inauguration Day 2017)


Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, McConnell's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:00 AM (WjLUf)

19 46% will blame republicans.

So what? I already blame 52% for getting the country in this mess if the first place.

Posted by: Case at September 30, 2013 07:00 AM (o00SF)

20 So they want more like Stay Puff's man, Schera, how did he vote again?

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at September 30, 2013 07:00 AM (Jsiw/)

21 11 “They are spending most of their money going after Republicans and making it harder for us to nominate and elect Republicans and regain the majority.”

I don't give a damn if Republicans are in the majority if they're going to vote like Democrats. These idiots need to understand we don't give a rip about their party, we care about people who are going to fight the Dems.

Posted by: Donna V.


As far as I am concerned the "R" brand is dead as a dinosaur. They are worthless to me. I've supported "democrats" in the past- like Sam Nunn- when I agreed with most of their goals.

I can do it again. I want someone who will represent my interests. Not a pile of fat-cat "go along to get alongs...."

Posted by: backhoe at September 30, 2013 07:00 AM (ULH4o)

22
The goal is not to elect "Republicans." The goal is to elect people who believe what you believe and who will DO what you voted for them to do.

DC is broken, corrupt, unconstitutional, whatever.

This must end.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:02 AM (WjLUf)

23 Similarly, GOP Senators have gotten involved in numerous primaries, Charlie Crist being the most prominent if several examples. Total hypocrites for them to argue about money spent in primaries against them. Ironically enough, this is another issue of tactics. (Replace liberal and timid politicians with outspoken conservative candidates, as opposed to simply re-electing incumbents).

Posted by: Boone at September 30, 2013 07:03 AM (tIyK2)

24 I had to break down and put on a sweater this morning. Wifey will be complaining soon about time to turn on the heat.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 07:04 AM (zZbNF)

25 In case people forgot, George W. Bush had a majority in both the House and Senate... and he GREW the government. Until the advent of Bukkake Obama, he was the most profligate spender of all time.

The GOP establishment is merely a wing of the Democrat/Socialists.

Time to kick over the fucking table and start over.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:04 AM (WjLUf)

26 That first link isn't by Byron York. The focus of the article is that Cruz and Lee are filling the void in leadership, which it says exists because there's a ban on earmarks. Iow Boehner is a worthless twat because he can't bribe a bunch of gutless whores.

Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at September 30, 2013 07:06 AM (1iIhH)

27 RE: the CNN poll - "The poll was conducted for CNN by ORC International September 27-29,
with 803 adults nationwide questioned by telephone. The survey's overall
sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points."

Posted by: Baldy at September 30, 2013 07:06 AM (tyDFN)

28 I will say this about Boehner - and this is with a very large amount of wariness:

He seems to be doing the right thing, at least to this point. The way to win this is to fund the government piecemeal, with a series of CR's that are stand-alone bills. Everything EXCEPT O'care. If he vetoes any or them, then it is he and his henchmen that will be the ones shutting things down. And not "compromising."

Somehow, I get the feeling Boehner will cave at 11:59:59 PM.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:11 AM (WjLUf)

29 The goal is not to elect "Republicans." The goal is to elect people who believe what you believe and who will DO what you voted for them to do. DC is broken, corrupt, unconstitutional, whatever. This must end.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:02 AM (WjLUf)

This will end. The questions aredoes it become a true tyranny or revert to the original American form of government, by peaceful or violent means, and how soon?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 30, 2013 07:12 AM (sQ0LB)

30 29 Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 30, 2013 07:12 AM (sQ0LB)

I was speaking more in the near-term about the struggle to take back the GOP/third party battle.

But yes, you are correct as well, Lord help us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:15 AM (WjLUf)

31 Why does Pixy eat my spaces when I edit text? No spaces, no ampersands, I might have to splurge for the platinum membership...

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 30, 2013 07:15 AM (sQ0LB)

32 Moderates are the dog who caught the car right now.

Let's see how well the delay strategy works out them. So far it appears very similar to defund, except of course now it's no longer an unserious moronic strategy to have a shutdown.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 30, 2013 07:16 AM (uhAkr)

33 And before we completely sing Boehner's praises, Eric Cantor is going behind everyone's back to push an amnesty bill.

That little momzer needs to be kicked to the curb.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:16 AM (WjLUf)

34 Every fucking Republican should be screaming about how long it has been since there's been a budget because the pederast from Searchlight, Nevada has not passed one, including the JEF's jokes of budgets which have been unanimously rejected. This is a blatant violation of the Constitution and public horsewhippings should be occurring.

Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at September 30, 2013 07:16 AM (1iIhH)

35 So, JJ, as a Juden, does that mean that only the coming of the Messiah can help us, or can the Lord in his pre-Messianic state also accomplish that?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 30, 2013 07:17 AM (sQ0LB)

36 26 -

That is interesting... I wouldn't have followed the link until you pointed it out. I would have just assumed if Gabe says Byron York said, that it meant that Byron York said it.

No, it's by some guy named Timothy Carney, whoever that is.

Even so, the guy is not presenting it as some sort of distortion by Cruz and Lee, but as a presentation, much like I and a lot of other people around here see it. Which is to say, if Cruz and Lee are "painting" Republican leadership as having a lack of principles (or secret liberalism), it's because some paintings are realist representations of actual truth.

Hey Republicans, if you don't want to be portrayed as lacking principles, show some!

Posted by: BurtTC at September 30, 2013 07:17 AM (BeSEI)

37 He seems to be doing the right thing, at least to this point. The way to win this is to fund the government piecemeal, with a series of CR's that are stand-alone bills. Everything EXCEPT O'care. If he vetoes any or them, then it is he and his henchmen that will be the ones shutting things down. And not "compromising."

I agree with this.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 30, 2013 07:19 AM (uhAkr)

38 32 -

Good analogy. Some dogs of course, just lay down and die.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 30, 2013 07:20 AM (BeSEI)

39
But yes, you are correct as well, Lord help us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:15 AM (WjLUf)


I'm beginning to believe we are on our own. We can ask for divine intervention to help the current mess we are in, but I think His phone is off the hook and He's not reading His email.

Posted by: ExSnipe at September 30, 2013 07:21 AM (57ubW)

40 35 So, JJ, as a Juden, does that mean that only the coming of the Messiah can help us, or can the Lord in his pre-Messianic state also accomplish that?
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 30, 2013 07:17 AM (sQ0LB)


I'd rather not be at the stage of going into the gas chamber and looking over my shoulder for Eliahu ha'novi.

My advice would be to say Kaddish only after you've exhausted all your ammo, IYKWIM

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:21 AM (WjLUf)

41 Hate, if Boehner had real balls, he'd shut down the government right now. He'd give a presser every day reminding the public that the Senate has not passed a budget in 5 years, and there will be no more CRs until Harry Reid and the Democrat-controlled Senate pass a f*cking budget that addresses the deficit without asking for the American people to fork over even more money in taxes.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 30, 2013 07:22 AM (sQ0LB)

42 Some painting are like the Night Gallery, painted by Homer Simpson,

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at September 30, 2013 07:22 AM (Jsiw/)

43 From the first link (the "Byron York" link):

This is what has happened in the defund-Obamacare fight. Cruz, Lee and the outside groups have their tactics, which include opposing cloture on the continuing resolution. To hold the line, Cruz and Lee repeated: “Defund it or you own it,” and more precisely, “a vote for cloture is a vote for Obamacare.”

Wait a gosh darn minute! Cruz and Lee said that a vote for continuing Obamacare was a vote for Obamacare?!?! PERFIDY! SCANDAL AND PERFIDY!!!!

Posted by: Boone at September 30, 2013 07:23 AM (tIyK2)

44 #33

I thought Cantor was known as a "conservative" about five years ago? I can't think of a non squishy thing he's done since then. Including that shamnesty bus tour. Fuck him.

Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at September 30, 2013 07:23 AM (1iIhH)

45 I'd rather not be at the stage of going into the gas chamber and looking over my shoulder for Eliahu ha'novi. My advice would be to say Kaddish only after you've exhausted all your ammo, IYKWIM
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:21 AM (WjLUf)

er, afraid not literally but I think I have the gist of it. My knowledge of the finer points of Judaism is limited to what I've learned as one of those damned Lutheran terrorists. I got the broad strokes but not so much the other stuff, and there weren't many Yiddish speakers in the Philly suburbs growing up.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 30, 2013 07:25 AM (sQ0LB)

46 I completely disagree with Cruz/Lee in painting tactical disagreements as "secret liberalism".

No, it is instead more accurate to describe opponents as not very intelligent, big-government Republicans. Very different thing entirely.

Here we are, trying to win a political fight, and these fucking nitwits want to choose now to have a lets-come-together dissection of where Ted Cruz went wrong in his treatment of fellow GOP Senators. What a bunch of teenage girls these Senators are become. Shut the hell up, and support Cruz and Lee.

Posted by: MTF at September 30, 2013 07:25 AM (qf2kI)

47 44 Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at September 30, 2013 07:23 AM (1iIhH)

Total fucking fraud. I mean, in the middle of this epic battle, the #2 House Republican is wheeling and dealing to surrender on an issue that our side has seemingly won (i.e. staved off yet again for now).

He is detestable and fast approaching loathsome.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:26 AM (WjLUf)

48 It's Washington "business as usual" that's the problem,not a few congressmen that's pointing out that fact.

Posted by: Case at September 30, 2013 07:26 AM (tjj0w)

49 Gabe never quite addresses how much the conservative base feels betrayed by the Republican Establishment. It's always Ted Cruz's fault for sowing division; never McCain/Graham's fault for calling their fellow Republicans "Whacko Birds."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 30, 2013 07:27 AM (QXlbZ)

50 45 Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 30, 2013 07:25 AM (sQ0LB)

I don't know about my co-religionists, especially the majority of whom are on the left, but when I say "never again," I am not joking.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:28 AM (WjLUf)

51 49 Gabe never quite addresses how much the conservative base feels betrayed by the Republican Establishment. It's always Ted Cruz's fault for sowing division; never McCain/Graham's fault for calling their fellow Republicans "Whacko Birds."
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 30, 2013 07:27 AM (QXlbZ)

Because Gabe is a modern Republican. You can't call him a RINO because he is what the party has become, albeit a little more conservative on financial issues and a little more liberal on social issues. He's never going to fully support the hard right bombthrowers* like Cruz.

*I mean this in a positive sense.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 30, 2013 07:29 AM (sQ0LB)

52 49 Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 30, 2013 07:27 AM (QXlbZ)

Gabe is the Jennifer Rubin of AOSHQ.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:29 AM (WjLUf)

53 Mabel Galore.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:30 AM (WjLUf)

54 don't know about my co-religionists, especially the majority of whom are on the left, but when I say "never again," I am not joking.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:28 AM (WjLUf)
Oh the historical reference, yeah, I got that. I used to consider myself a WWII buff until I saw some of the stuff that Anna Puma throws around here and realized I was still in the wading pool. I meant the Yiddish itself.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 30, 2013 07:31 AM (sQ0LB)

55
In case people forgot, George W. Bush had a majority in both the House
and Senate... and he GREW the government. Until the advent of Bukkake
Obama, he was the most profligate spender of all time.


Something else that is not brought up very much by the "STFU Teabaggers!" wing of the GOP.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 30, 2013 07:31 AM (QXlbZ)

56 I'd like to see Gabe come out in full throated support of Ken Cucinelli before he makes his next "we must always support the R" spiel.

Posted by: Boone at September 30, 2013 07:31 AM (tIyK2)

57 46 -

It remains an interesting question: just how far into letting Obamacare take effect are the R leaders in Washington?

There is a theory, that they know it's going to happen, and they want to be seen as getting behind it, because they know people will come to love it someday, and they don't want history to paint them as being obstructionists on this issue.

Does that make them liberals?

Probably not. Probably unprincipled is the most accurate description, but there is no doubt that some of them really really ARE liberals.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 30, 2013 07:31 AM (BeSEI)

58 Greg, to be fair his Senate majority lasted what, a few months? But your point is still valid.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 30, 2013 07:32 AM (sQ0LB)

59 Okay, really heading out now. Shalom, JJ.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 30, 2013 07:33 AM (sQ0LB)

60 Oh. Good. I was concerned for a second there that today might start out without us all at one another's throats. I'm glad to see that there are certain things upon which I can count.


Might I make a humble request that tomorrow we focus on sharing tips as to the best way to get all those popcorn husks out of our teeth as we watch the complete and total meltdown of the IT infrastructure for the exchanges and the concomitant spin so fast that Lois Lane comes back to life from the MFM?

Posted by: alexthechick - Really Universe Really? at September 30, 2013 07:34 AM (Gk3SS)

61 It's awe-inspiring to watch a GOP establishment who has won the popular presidential vote exactly one time since 1988 lecture us on how to win elections. The same establishment that fought belittled the Tea Party in 2010 while the Tea Party was winning them back the House. The same establishment who thought Reagan could never win an election fought him tooth nail.

Posted by: David Cameron at September 30, 2013 07:35 AM (ES9R7)

62 Sick and tired of hearing, "This is just an argument about tactics." Yeah, Cruz/Lee's tactic is being serious about preventing ObamaCare from being implemented. The McCain/Corker/Graham wing's tactic is to let Obamacare be implemented, and then whine forever that they just don't have the votes to repeal it.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 30, 2013 07:35 AM (QXlbZ)

63 The article Gabe wanted to quote was by Carney, not York. And it's primary target was DeMint, not Cruz.

Other than that, Gabe was right on target, it is a whine about the unwillingness of certain Republican Senators to sing along with Mitch, and be good little big-government Republicans.

http://bit.ly/1fW1e7w

Posted by: MTF at September 30, 2013 07:35 AM (qf2kI)

64 @57..."no doubt that some of them really really ARE liberals."

You mean really ARE socialists.

Posted by: Case at September 30, 2013 07:36 AM (tjj0w)

65 “They are spending most of their money going after Republicans and making it harder for us to nominate and elect Republicans and regain the majority.”

good. i don't want more republicans i want conservatives. Though it's all moot once Boehner cuts an amnesty deal and the house GOP gets rolled in the mid terms because conservatives finally walk away from them. They'll have what they want though. They can exorcise those troublemaking conservatives and be a permanent minority party like the house was for 40 years, but they won't have to kowtow to a base they hate.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at September 30, 2013 07:37 AM (HEa5q)

66 Observation: Joe Lieberman was about as liberal left as you can get, EXCEPT when it came to Iraq and national security. And look what his party/movement did to him.

If you want to see tolerance, civil discourse and liberalism in the true sense of the word, then that is the heart of conservatism.

We can disagree on the nuances of any number of issues (and primarily they seem to center on homosexuality), but instead of criticizing Ted Cruz, we (the royal we) should be behind him 100%.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:37 AM (WjLUf)

67 I wonder if the elites of 5th Century Rome argued that the Vandals should be given tuition waivers and a “Path to Citizenship.”

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 30, 2013 07:37 AM (QXlbZ)

68 Having a simple majority in the Senate never works for Republicans. There are always about 10 RINO/DIABLO asshats like Collins who will side with the Democrats and unlike the Republicans, the Democrats always work together. There are no more conservative boll weevil Democrats.



A good example is the 2005 energy bill. It started out as a pretty good bill but by the time McShitty had rounded up a bunch of RINOs to side with the Democrats it turned to a POS.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 07:37 AM (zZbNF)

69 Has Reince Priebus been interviewed by anybody recently on this schism in the Republican Party? Or is he still going to NFL games with Fat Fuck circling around him like a remora fish around a giant shark. ISTM he should be front and center in trying to unite the party instead of going in the witness protection program.

Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at September 30, 2013 07:37 AM (1iIhH)

70 For the Delay folks, how does it do anything to address their arguments against the Defund? The laws aren't changing except delaying the individual mandate. The plans, supposed mandatory funding, hired staff, etc. are still in place. So we just get Obamacare without a mandate. And isn't that what the Delay is supposed to prevent until, somehow, the Republicans are swept into office?

Posted by: Chris at September 30, 2013 07:38 AM (aBOfW)

71 59 Okay, really heading out now. Shalom, JJ.
Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 30, 2013 07:33 AM (sQ0LB)

Zei gezunt, tottele.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:38 AM (WjLUf)

72 61 It's awe-inspiring to watch a GOP establishment who has won the popular presidential vote exactly one time since 1988 lecture us on how to win elections. The same establishment that fought belittled the Tea Party in 2010 while the Tea Party was winning them back the House. The same establishment who thought Reagan could never win an election fought him tooth nail.
Posted by: David Cameron at September 30, 2013 07:35 AM (ES9R7)
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It would be pure silliness, if it weren't so galling. These Senate Republicans have failed at every single ideological battle the party has wanted them to fight, especially ZeroCare, and yet they have the temerity to criticize Cruz and Lee.

Posted by: MTF at September 30, 2013 07:39 AM (qf2kI)

73 Here’s your happy PPACA update!

So tomorrow I’m supposed to be able to start enrolling people in the great and glorious future of health insurance. No doubt figuring that it would be helpful to know what plans are available to enroll people in before that date, this past weekend Maryland Health Connection emailed me a handy little quick reference guide to available plans. 876 pages of coverage grids, yay! I’ve been paging through it, and it’s really back to the future time, these are, with 2 exceptions so far*, old fashioned major medical plans. Let me explain: Traditionally, a MM plan is a simple thing; you have a deductible of whatever, you pay for all your medical treatments until you spend that much, then the insurance kicks in. In recent years, most major carriers have modified MM plans so that some/much/most outpatient treatment was not subject to the deductible, but just required a copay. It works pretty well, if something major happens (i.e. hospitalization, surgery) there’s a deductible to meet but it’s not so bad because the bill’s huge, but in most normal years thing like docs, Rx, ER just require a copay. People are NOT going to be happy going back to the old model. EVERYTHING except preventive care is now subject to the deductible. It could work if the cost came down significantly, back to where it used to be, but we already know it’s going up. And that’s the other thing. There are no prices attached to these plans. I’m supposed to start enrolling people tomorrow, wonder if I’ll have it by then? Without some idea of costs, I have no way to judge whether these are “good” insurance plans or not. They could be, if they are cheap enough. (Hell if they’re cheap enough, it would be dragging insurance back to what it’s supposed to be instead of being prepaid medical) I’m not holding my breath, however, and I’ll tell you something else: People who have been covered by comprehensive work plans that require little out of pocket from them at the point of service are going to scream bloody murder. Also along the same everything-old-is-new-again lines, HMOs are back with a vengeance. Pre-approvals and referrals are the new black.

*UHC has managed to retain a smidgeon of outpatient coverage not subject to the deductible, but it’s not even close to what their plans cover now. Also, what I can only call “super insurance” is available; BCBS has one plan where you pay nothing for health care, no deductible, no copay, no coinsurance, nada. Network limited, but your annual out of pocket max is $0. I really, really want to know what that one costs.

Posted by: Weirddave at September 30, 2013 07:40 AM (jt8G9)

74 Morning, all.

**looks around**

Yep, the nightmare continues. On the other hand, maybe this is the day one of our "terrorists" says "fuck it," crosses the aisle and Preston Brookses the shit out of a Dem.

**pours tea, sighs happily at the thought**

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 30, 2013 07:41 AM (zF6Iw)

75 Morning all.
1) Shut it down
2) Hey Netanyahu, don't waste to much breath or time on obama. He is hell bent on selling Israel down the river.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 07:42 AM (1RQeV)

76 70 Posted by: Chris at September 30, 2013 07:38 AM (aBOfW)


You are right. It's a wimpy approach that surrenders to the left's framing of the issue - i.e. that "something has to be done" about healthcare, insurance, whatever.

Stop letting them frame the debate. Turn the tables on them. Stop accepting their premises. It's been pointed out a billion times but it is a salient point that Ronald Reagan won two landslides during a time when there was no alternative media and the MFM was all-powerful. He did it by doing what I just said.

Our "leaders" in the GOP can't do this because they do not WANT to do this. They are part of the problem because they benefit from big government, even when they are out of power.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:43 AM (WjLUf)

77 67 I wonder if the elites of 5th Century Rome argued that the Vandals should be given tuition waivers and a “Path to Citizenship.”
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 30, 2013 07:37 AM (QXlbZ)

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Oddly enough, citizenship arguments were a primary political fight in Rome from the time of the Republic right on through imperial times. And, IIRC, Alaric (king of the Visigoths) was pissed off that he'd been passed over for an important Roman military posting in favor of a Roman citizen. But then you probably knew that.

Posted by: MTF at September 30, 2013 07:43 AM (qf2kI)

78 Conservatives have learned that there is no point to a majority who will not fight.

Our majorities inevitably let a minority who has sympathy (sycophancy really) in the press and popular culture to define us and dictate terms.

Quit attacking men like Cruz for demanding that we fight.

Posted by: Glen at September 30, 2013 07:43 AM (K9BCN)

79 Senior government official says Iranian president wants to study options of resuming direct flights between Iran, US halted after 1979 Islamic Revolution
Associated Press
Published: 09.30.13, 14:19 / Israel News


Iran's president is asking aviation authorities to study the possibility of resuming direct flights between Iran and the United States for the first time in more than three decades.

Hassan Rohani's request reflects Iranian efforts to possibly build on the groundbreaking exchanges with Washington that included a telephone chat last week between the new Iranian president and President Barack Obama.

Sure let's reward them more for doing nothing. I mean what could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 07:44 AM (1RQeV)

80

Today's celebrity birthdays:

William Wrigley, Jr. (didn't gum up the works)
Hans Geiger (found the nucleus)
Buddy Rich (http://youtu.be/9esWG6A6g-k )
Lewis Nixon III (a Brother in the Band)
Deborah Kerr (rolled in the waves)
Truman Capote ("Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor.")
Angie Dickinson (knew Jack?)
Johnny Mathis (http://youtu.be/a8QlAMcaOBI )
Len Cariou (Janeway's dad)
Marilyn McCoo (http://youtu.be/6HyLZWlJ1e8 )
Marc Bolan (died in a Mini)
Patrice Rushen (http://youtu.be/W2XhhuM9GZo )
USS Nautilus (SSN-571)
Barry Williams (embraced the past)
Fran Drescher (a survivor)
Crystal Bernard (still a cutie)
Eric Stoltz (crank call! crank call!)
Monica Bellucci (made Trinity jealous)
The Boeing 747 (global standard)
Jenna Elfman (over?)

Posted by: Gran at September 30, 2013 07:44 AM (mw0FO)

81
Kerry: Relations with Iran can improve fast
US secretary of state says deal with Iran possible within months

These people are so dangerous. It makes me sick

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 07:45 AM (1RQeV)

82 74 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 30, 2013 07:41 AM (zF6Iw)

I don't know who Preston Brooks is, but if you mean someone going over and cold-cocking Schumer in his big mouth, then I am in favor.

Ain't happenin' but still...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:46 AM (WjLUf)

83 I wonder if the elites of 5th Century Rome argued that the Vandals should be given tuition waivers and a “Path to Citizenship.”

Just by the fact that you know what century it was, I doubt that you wonder.
The path to citizenship (and colonist settler benefits) was through the Army. And that's exactly what they gave. IIRC, Gibbon blamed Christianity for this.

You might make a pretty good pro-Vandal (or at least pro-Visigoth) argument that the Roman government didn't stand by its promises. After reading up on what went down, at the very least you'd never make fun of Ethelred the Unready again.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 30, 2013 07:46 AM (JNUY4)

84 I missed from Friday...

DC Trawler with Jim Treacher, The Daily Caller
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), from the Senate floor, calls out “the teabaggers in the Tea Party”
2:34 PM 09/27/2013

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 07:47 AM (MhA4j)

85 84 I missed from Friday...

DC Trawler with Jim Treacher, The Daily Caller
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), from the Senate floor, calls out “the teabaggers in the Tea Party”
2:34 PM 09/27/2013
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 07:47 AM (MhA4j)


Maryland: What the fuck, people?!

(he says from NYC)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:48 AM (WjLUf)

86 Byron York on his lack of principle, abandoned in order to save his principles. Dope.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 07:48 AM (MhA4j)

87 #82

I could live with a few political defeats if they were offset by Schmucky Schoooomer getting his teeth knocked down his throat.

Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at September 30, 2013 07:49 AM (1iIhH)

88 82 I don't know who Preston Brooks is, but if you mean
someone going over and cold-cocking Schumer in his big mouth, then I am
in favor.



Ain't happenin' but still...





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:46 AM (WjLUf)


Think gutta-percha cane and beat the hell out of a MA Senator on the Senate floor.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 07:49 AM (zZbNF)

89 The new hotness civility, which includes such winners as 'holding a gun to America's head (TFG)' and 'terrorists with a bomb strapped to their chests' type rhetoric from the Dems sure sounds a lot like the old and busted old civility.

Also, with the MFM warming up their blame finger to point at no one but the Repubs, I've noticed a lot of claims of 'the law is settled' re OCare.

Really? Like the laws to deport illegal aliens? Like the laws to build the damn fence? Like the laws about contempt of Congress (waves at Eric Holder)? Like the laws about not giving aid to terrorist orgs like Al Qeada (Syria) or the Muslim Brotherhood (Egypt)? Like the laws about how a bankruptcy should proceed (GM and Chrysler)?

I could go on and on, but it seems clear to me that some laws are moar better than others. Specifically, those that the current administration don't like are well worth ignoring, while the ones they support are written in stone.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 30, 2013 07:50 AM (cHZB7)

90 Sure let's reward them more for doing nothing. I mean what could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 07:44 AM


Choom Boy either believes the horseshit Rohani is spreading or is following orders and opening the door a bit wider for his Muzzie overlords.

It is amazing, even for President Historic First©, that one friggin' UN speech was enough to turn Iran from Major Threat to New BFF.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 30, 2013 07:51 AM (kaGpp)

91 Thebig thing with this mess is that the average person does not care. They simply don't care because it does not affect them in any meaningful way. They still have the boat in the driveway theybought in the Spring and are getting ready to put away for the winter. They will still go to the car dealer this weekend to look at a new car,they still take the family out to eat on Friday night, etc. To the average person nothingmuch has changed so there is noreason for them to get engaged in the political process.

Posted by: Registered Voter at September 30, 2013 07:51 AM (d0+yW)

92 I respect Byron York, but to be fair, he has been slamming Cruz for a while now. On Bill Bennett's show last week, he ripped Cruz, claiming his filibuster was pointless. It was as if McCain was standing behind him, pulling the strings.

That would be fine, but then York went on Twitter lauding Cruz during the filibuster. Personally, I think that's a little phony.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 30, 2013 07:52 AM (gA69l)

93 I thought the problem with defund was the shutdown would be blamed on Republicans.

Delay, on the other hand, is genius?

How does this work?

Posted by: blaster at September 30, 2013 07:53 AM (4+AaH)

94 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 30, 2013 07:52 AM (gA69l)


Article is not by York. Gabe's headline is wrong.

Posted by: Boone at September 30, 2013 07:55 AM (tIyK2)

95 Okay, here's my question.

You don't like Cruz and Lee's tactics, fine.

But what exactly was the GOP leadership's tactic for undoing the PPACA? Because, as far as I can tell, they didn't have one. They certainly didn't want to defund it. They didn't seem to want to delay it. They didn't want to shut down the government. So what did they want?

I would feel a lot worse for the Republicans in the Senate and House (as opposed to the conservatives) if any of them actually seemed interested in undoing the law or cutting spending. But they don't seem to be.

Am I missing something here? If I am, please tell me. Because, from where I sit, it seems like Cruz, Lee, and the people who stood with them were the only ones actually doing anything--everyone else was just sniping.

An engaged, energetic debate about the best way to solve this problem would have been wonderful. But Cruz and Lee seemed to be the only side with a plan.

And, sorry, but if the only way to reclaim control of the Senate is to "elect more Republicans" like Lindsey Graham and John McCain, then I think it's better off in Democrat control. Who can even tell the difference anyway?

Posted by: WesternActor at September 30, 2013 07:55 AM (bx8EK)

96 Republicans: Looking for a good reason to surrender


Posted by: RiverC at September 30, 2013 07:56 AM (9hUiB)

97 As far as the postponement measure the GOP wants, how does that help? You'e shielding the LIVs from the disaster that is Obamacare right before the midterm elections? Are you frakkin' kidding me?

Implement it now, let the dolts see how terrible it is, and (hopefully) reap the votes in 2014. Postponement simply assures GOP loses in 2014 and 2016.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 30, 2013 07:56 AM (gA69l)

98 I know I mentioned this before, but many years ago I was walking along a quiet side street in Brooklyn Heights. Totally deserted until Chuck Schumer approached from the opposite direction.

The temptation was unbearable.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:57 AM (WjLUf)

99 Maryland: What the fuck, people?!

(he says from NYC)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:48 AM (WjLUf)

Maryland is a bedroom for DC, past the 1/2 point if your driving from NJ to DC, and a place to eat on the way to DC and maybe catch a baseball game.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 07:57 AM (1RQeV)

100
[This comment is inexplicable and unimportant, meant solely to further the stream of comments]

Hey, how ya doin', morons?

Posted by: Maguffin at September 30, 2013 07:57 AM (3ZtZW)

101 Article is not by York. Gabe's headline is wrong.

Although it could be. York has been ripping Cruz on the talk shows, then currying favor on Twitter, where he can get feedback. It's hypocritical and dishonest from York, a guy I normally like.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 30, 2013 07:57 AM (gA69l)

102 But how skewed is that CNN poll? And the CBS/NYT one?

Posted by: NCKate at September 30, 2013 06:51 AM (Rs+1o)

It doesn't matter how skewed it is. When the LIVs see their lord and savior (and his apostles, the MSM) telling them it's the R's fault, there's no reason to believe otherwise.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at September 30, 2013 07:58 AM (rpnNZ)

103 Just looked up Preston Brooks. Senator Charles SUMNER. Close...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:58 AM (WjLUf)

104 This Free Beacon article is pretty good on the subject of Cruz versus the volcano of Senate GOP establishmentarians.

http://bit.ly/18F1mTw

Posted by: MTF at September 30, 2013 07:58 AM (qf2kI)

105 99 Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 07:57 AM (1RQeV)


Meh, don't I know it. See you in Joisee on Friday?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:59 AM (WjLUf)

106 I know I mentioned this before, but many years ago I was walking along a quiet side street in Brooklyn Heights. Totally deserted until Chuck Schumer approached from the opposite direction.

The temptation was unbearable.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:57 AM (WjLUf)

At the "OLD" Stadium, when the Yankees were good and I was rich, I had some fancy tickets and saw Schumer all the time with the other "big shots". They all treated him like some one who farted and kept their distance.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 07:59 AM (1RQeV)

107 Meh, don't I know it. See you in Joisee on Friday?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:59 AM (WjLUf)

Who?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 08:00 AM (1RQeV)

108 Fuck the DC establishment.

Ted Cruz was and is doing the right thing, no matter the outcome. I hope this is the future of the GOP - or its replacement.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 08:00 AM (WjLUf)

109 “They are spending most of their money going after Republicans and making it harder for us to nominate and elect Republicans and regain the majority.”

-------

THAT DAMN PRIMARY SYSTEM!!!

Posted by: Rich at September 30, 2013 08:01 AM (EaFK8)

110 “They are spending most of their money going after Republicans and
making it harder for us to nominate and elect Republicans and regain the
majority.”

Oh, boo hoo hoo. Boo, hoo hoo hoo hoo. After spending all their time supporting the Democrats, the Republicans are losing funding. Who could have seen that coming? Boo, hoo hoo hoo hoo.

Posted by: Null at September 30, 2013 08:01 AM (P7hip)

111 107 Meh, don't I know it. See you in Joisee on Friday?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:59 AM (WjLUf)

Who?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 08:00 AM (1RQeV)

YOU! Moron meetup.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 08:01 AM (WjLUf)

112 YOU! Moron meetup.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 08:01 AM (WjLUf)

It's this Friday isn't it?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 08:02 AM (1RQeV)

113 103 -

This is one of those things that will divide "conservatives," if that's the right word for it. Brooks had no business going into the Senate chamber, he was a Congressman. Sumner's "crime" was being an abolitionist, and being very direct about not wanting to play games with semantics on the Senate floor.

Many southerners objected to that, and what prompted Brooks to act was a supposed slight on some other southern politician, I think a Senator.

So Brooks came in and started beating him. Not a very brave or chivalrous thing to do, and frankly in spite of the talk around here, I don't WANT our politicians beating each other in the Capitol building.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 30, 2013 08:02 AM (BeSEI)

114 See you in Joisee on Friday?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:59 AM (WjLUf)

Oh misread it. Yeah I will be there. Sorry. I am slow on Monday mornings.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 08:03 AM (1RQeV)

115 It doesn't matter whether you call them liberal Repubs RINOs or moderates, if they are complicit in taking away or limiting MY choices by stifling govt regulation disguised as a greater good effort or crisis resolution, I'd rather see them choke to death slowly on the floor of the house or senate dining room doing a a frantic sideways chicken dance then even make it to a primary.

And Cantor and Corker are two of the worst.

Posted by: ontherocks at September 30, 2013 08:04 AM (loV67)

116 60 -

AtC, I had some dental work done recently. Popcorn no longer gets caught between my teeth, so... problem solved.

You RINO you for having popcorn problems!!!!!

Posted by: BurtTC at September 30, 2013 08:04 AM (BeSEI)

117 Don't forget, NC is expecting the Justice Dept suit against their new voting laws this week.

I promise you, if the Democrats felt like the Republicans were getting the better of them in voter fraud, we would be providing DNA before we could pull the lever.

Posted by: Tocquevillian at September 30, 2013 08:06 AM (iuY0Y)

118 Posted by: ExSnipe at September 30, 2013 07:21 AM (57ubW)

Or it could be that this is God's judgment on the nation and Obama is his instrument. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't pray. In fact, if thats the case we should pray even harder for God's forgiveness and mercy-that God may relent. From my perspective as a Christian God's plans cannot be frustrated-there will be a new heaven and a new earth and in the meantime God is helping to shape us into the image of Jesus Christ through the events we go through.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 30, 2013 08:06 AM (a4Omg)

119 Holy crap, the mice are taking over my house. I just sat and watched two of them chasing each other around the

kitchen.It was oddly cute


Unless you enjoy having flatware, pots, pans, and coated with dried mouse shit and piss - you better get over that cute factor real quick. Rodents are like Communists - sneaky, filthy, and their droppings can kill you.

Posted by: Hantavirus at September 30, 2013 08:06 AM (h75XG)

120 You teabaggers think you can win? Wait until my minions start broadcasting 24/7 smelly tourists locked out of the Liberty Bell and Washington attractions. You'll have gin-soaked tears running down your faces when you see the anguish of their ruined vacation plans.

Posted by: The Precedent at September 30, 2013 08:07 AM (U2UQk)

121 Holy crap, the mice are taking over my house. I just sat and watched two of them chasing each other around the

kitchen.It was oddly cute

Unless you enjoy having flatware, pots, pans, and coated with dried mouse shit and piss - you better get over that cute factor real quick. Rodents are like Communists - sneaky, filthy, and their droppings can kill you.
Posted by: Hantavirus at September 30, 2013 08:06 AM (h75XG)


4 letters: Cats

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 08:08 AM (1RQeV)

122 frankly in spite of the talk around here, I don't WANT our politicians beating each other in the Capitol building.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 30, 2013 08:02 AM (BeSEI)


OK. So how to combat assholes who call us "terrorists," "teabaggers" and "hostage takers," then? Because tut-tutting and shaking out heads at them doesn't work. And spare me the "well, the American people will see that they're being hyperbolic." The American people obviously don't give a shit. If we're going to be blamed for everything, then let's make it painful as possible for the left.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 30, 2013 08:08 AM (zF6Iw)

123 Unless you enjoy having flatware, pots, pans, and coated with dried
mouse shit and piss - you better get over that cute factor real quick.
Rodents are like Communists - sneaky, filthy, and their droppings can
kill you.


I has three kittehs. The only time I see a mouse is when a dead one has been dropped on the porch as a love-offering.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 30, 2013 08:08 AM (QXlbZ)

124 The democrats don't care if they get blamed for a shutdown, or at least the President doesn't. They will not cave because they view this as a way to permanently drive a wedge between conservatives and the Republican Party. From where they are sitting, it's a long term win.

Posted by: Czar Peter at September 30, 2013 08:08 AM (hMQKI)

125 115 ontherocks,

I for one welcome our new squish overlords.

Quick question if they can't deliver anything I want, and proudly refuse to even consider saidsame why am I voting for them again?

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 30, 2013 08:09 AM (9jfyN)

126 Is it any surprise to see polls tightened about blaming Republicans for a shutdown when Establishment Republicans are so eager to blame Republicans for a shutdown?

From where I sit, the House passed a measure to fully fund everything - and it's their fault the Senate didn't pass it?

Posted by: @JohnTant at September 30, 2013 08:09 AM (F3IIA)

127 Meh, should have said fully fund everything except a highly unpopular law.

Morning.

Posted by: @JohnTant at September 30, 2013 08:10 AM (F3IIA)

128 124 Czar Peter @8:08,

Team Let It Burn made possible with a grant from "MATH!" Foundation welcomes this narcissism.


Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 30, 2013 08:10 AM (9jfyN)

129 4 letters: Cats

Two words, 'snap traps'.
Liberally soaked in peanut butter.
Kill 'em early and often before they breed inside.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 30, 2013 08:10 AM (U2UQk)

130
>>>4 letters: Cats

Meh. Cats will just play with them, if they can be bothered to get up in the first place. Get a Scottie. They'll chase after anything and break their necks all day long.

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at September 30, 2013 08:12 AM (3ZtZW)

131 Man, my blood pressure is spiking. And it's not even 8.15. I'm going to get another cup of tea and run silent for a while.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 30, 2013 08:12 AM (zF6Iw)

132 http://tinyurl.com/m6eb3ze

Raul Labrador turns the tables on Chris Matthews, reminds him that his former boss shut down the government [VIDEO] September 29

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 08:13 AM (MhA4j)

133 Meh. Cats will just play with them, if they can be bothered to get up in the first place. Get a Scottie. They'll chase after anything and break their necks all day long.
Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at September 30, 2013 08:12 AM (3ZtZW)

yeah my cats do play with them, but eventually the mouse dies from a heart attack they are so scared.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2013 08:13 AM (1RQeV)

134 Gee.. surprised most of the country isn't 110% behind a shutdown? Surprise?

Good lord.

Good morning!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2013 08:13 AM (AYOav)

135 127 John Tant @ 8:10,

You notice the GOP has a lot more Red on red than Donkey ever gives blue on blue did you?

On the drive to drop offspring off at the NEA Indoctrination Barn this morning the charming Baptist Church is at it again.

When I first moved here the Church had its sign plastered with "The Righteousness of the One will overcome the Injustices of the Nine" concerning the VRA ie "Go Obama!"

This A.M. the sign says "How is one rock on Mars proof of life, but a heartbeat in the womb is not?"

Hey dumbfucks your boyfriend is into infanticide not me Tiger.

That will never stop them from the Fredo Corleone Burro Show though.

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 30, 2013 08:13 AM (9jfyN)

136 The Daily Caller
http://tinyurl.com/yhgn283

Obama the intractable
Betsy McCaughey
Author, "Beating Obamacare"
A government shutdown is the only way to deal with a president who won't respect Congress' power of the purse

Government shutdown? Lessons from Bill Clinton’s “Third Way”
Lanny Davis
Former Special Counsel to President Clinton

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 08:14 AM (MhA4j)

137 You know what's wrong with Senate big government Republicans, like McConnell? He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire.

Posted by: Winston Churchill at September 30, 2013 08:14 AM (qf2kI)

138 That little momzer needs to be kicked to the curb.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:16 AM (WjLUf)

J.J. I would love to be the one to kick Cantor to the curb!

AP sucks. I receive emails from Powerline Blog, last night they said AP is wing of dem party, it’s not unbiased as they should be.

I blame shutdown on SCOAMF & Harry Reid. Senate won’t be back in session until 2 pm today. Do you think they could reconvene at 9 am instead of 2 pm?

Posted by: CarolT at September 30, 2013 08:14 AM (z4WKX)

139 131 MP4 @ 8:12,

Do what you have to do, the clusterfuck tends to stick around.

ObamAmerica will be here when you get back.

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 30, 2013 08:14 AM (9jfyN)

140 Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 30, 2013 08:09 AM (9jfyN)


They've greatly reduced the value of my vote in more ways than me and my tinfoil hat would choose to list here.

......and you bear a striking resemblance to the sven Menace, was wondering what happened.

Posted by: ontherocks at September 30, 2013 08:14 AM (loV67)

141 Welcome to the 'new anarchy'

Harry Reid says the opposition party are anarchists because they act like an opposition party.

http://tinyurl.com/yhgn283

Donlyn Turnbull
Host, "The Donlyn Show"

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 08:15 AM (MhA4j)

142 I have to unsubscribe from DC Examiner. I saw that yesterday.

Posted by: CarolT at September 30, 2013 08:16 AM (z4WKX)

143 and frankly in spite of the talk around here, I don't WANT our politicians beating each other in the Capitol building.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 30, 2013 08:02 AM (BeSEI)

How about My Brother's Place on 2nd Street NW? less than a 10 minute walk.

Posted by: Strategic Corporal USMC at September 30, 2013 08:16 AM (6J+oK)

144 Not only is that not a Byron York quote, but York was actually very pro-Cruz during the filibuster (he was following on twitter)

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at September 30, 2013 08:16 AM (KL49F)

145 113 Many southerners objected to that, and what prompted Brooks to act was a
supposed slight on some other southern politician, I think a Senator.



It wasn't a "supposed slight". He actually called the other Senator names and accused him of "prostituting himself". Brooks who was the Senator's cousin wanted to challenge him to a duel but since Sumner was not a "gentleman" he could not challenge him.


So he went in and beat him with the cane. Sumner is lucky he didn't use a snake whip.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 08:17 AM (zZbNF)

146 140 ontherocks @8:14,

I can neither confirm, nor deny sharing sven's underwear drawer.

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 30, 2013 08:17 AM (9jfyN)

147 "The Senate Conservatives Fund is holding us RINOs accountable! BOOOOOO HOOOOOO!"

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at September 30, 2013 08:18 AM (vFmT2)

148 145 Vic @8:17,

So MANY things could be solved if we reinstituted "fighting words" and the Code Duello in DC.

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 30, 2013 08:19 AM (9jfyN)

149 Go to Fox News website, it asks who’s fault shutdown is. I blame SCOAMF. 38% agree with me vs 33% to all of the above.

Posted by: CarolT at September 30, 2013 08:20 AM (z4WKX)

150 148 145 Vic @8:17,

So MANY things could be solved if we reinstituted "fighting words" and the Code Duello in DC.
Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 30, 2013 08:19 AM (9jfyN)

Given the nature of DC gun laws, perhaps there is a business venture where one could rent the use of a ship and take the vessel out just past the 12 mile mark and thus in international waters...

Posted by: Strategic Corporal USMC at September 30, 2013 08:22 AM (6J+oK)

151 re the repeal of the medical device tax amendment in the CR -

The House added this one, and both the Senate and preezy have said it is dead on arrival. It's already proven to be a job and innovation killer, and was put into the ACA to help get the overall 10 year price tag down under $1 trillion. So repealing it would drive up the cost and the deficit, but Dems don't care about deficits anyhow and a repeal of the tax would make the ACA less onerous overall.

So if you reside in LiB land, a repeal of the tax is bad. Yet the Dems oppose it; maybe they want the whole mess to burn too?

It's a puzzler of sorts.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 30, 2013 08:23 AM (cHZB7)

152 Given the nature of DC gun laws, perhaps there is a
business venture where one could rent the use of a ship and take the
vessel out just past the 12 mile mark and thus in international
waters...

Posted by: Strategic Corporal USMC at September 30, 2013 08:22 AM (6J+oK)

They have a law for that as well. Any law breaking at Sea can be tried in the nearest country.

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 08:23 AM (zZbNF)

153 "Cruz and Lee painted differences in tactics as a lack of principle — or a sign of secret liberalism."

This is sort a disingenuous argument. For there be a "difference in tactics," the establishment would have a to *have* a tactic for defunding/ending ObamaCare first. They don't. As such, their "tactic" is to allow ObamaCare to stand unimpeded - which is in fact liberalism.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 30, 2013 08:24 AM (YYJjz)

154 “They are spending most of their money going after Republicans and making it harder for us to nominate and elect Republicans and regain the majority.”
Sounds like a little bit of the Maverick 'tude to me.

Posted by: RM at September 30, 2013 08:25 AM (/Frlf)

155 what did the polling say about the pecentage of talking heads that would blame the republicans? how about the percentage of fake twitterers? or they? what do "THEY" say?

Posted by: losthusker at September 30, 2013 08:25 AM (T7Ja1)

156 dueling should come back in vogue.

Posted by: Case at September 30, 2013 08:25 AM (jhRZ+)

157 So I bought the "Rack" http://tinyurl.com/3wqvdhw

It is essentially a 23 pound walker...

given my hip issues an apt piece of kit.

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 30, 2013 08:25 AM (9jfyN)

158 Blame the Republicans for a Government shutdown, how about congratulate them for it.

Posted by: Jean at September 30, 2013 08:26 AM (CMlD4)

159 I've been thinking about that 100% coverage plan I mentioned above. Oh, tricky, tricky assholes. It's probably not going to be able to do this if it's priced anything close to properly, but man, what a fuck you to the middle class. To understand why you have to understand how the subsidies are going to work.

Every person or household will have a new calculation on their 1040: MAGI (modified adjusted gross income). If that number puts you at 400% of the poverty level or less, you are entitled to a subsidy limiting your premium payment for the second cheapest silver plan to a percentage of your MAGI (this slides, it's 2% at poverty level and 9.5% at 400% PL). So if you have a MAGI of, say, 10K, this puts you at PL and your silver insurance plan will cost you $200/year. The difference between that and what it actually costs is paid directly to the insurance company by the federal government. The thing is, you can take that subsidy dollar amount and apply it to any plan.

What that means is this: Many middle class people are going to have a MAGI that precludes them from subsidies. I was thinking along traditional lines, "Wow, a 100% plan is going to be hideously expensive" and it probably will be, but because the subsidy dollar amount is portable to any plan, lots of people may be able to get a plan that pays 100% of their medical costs for less than they are paying for insurance now. They may not, it depends on the total premium cost, but middle class folks without subsidies almost surely will find that plan affordable, and if a significant number of people are able to get on a 100% plan that is subsidized to the point where they can afford it, the demand side of the supply and demand equation is going to go through the roof. This will collapse the availability of medical treatment rather quickly as demand spirals far beyond the ability of what docs and hospitals can provide.

Oh, tricky, tricky assholes indeed.

Posted by: Weirddave at September 30, 2013 08:27 AM (jt8G9)

160 152 Vic @ 8:23,

So we need to take them offshore from Peruvia.

In Peruvia State duel you.

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 30, 2013 08:27 AM (9jfyN)

161 60. I hear that is not going all that well. Alas, alack.

Posted by: gracepmc at September 30, 2013 08:27 AM (rznx3)

162 OK. So how to combat assholes who call us "terrorists," "teabaggers" and "hostage takers," then?


Easy, since they like that word so much ask them if they have ever had that sexual act performed on them. If they give you that puzzled look either walk away or explain it to them.

Posted by: Per-Bert at September 30, 2013 08:29 AM (cK0tU)

163 The democrats refuse to negotiate, the president openly says he will not negotiate, in effect issuing ultimatums to the GOP. The democrats then force the shutdown of 'non essential' government services, threaten to withhold 'essential' government services and the blame the GOP.

Extortion, straight up.

The stupid GOP leadership enables this behavior by the democrats by first saying they will not shutdown the government, that there are always options and negotiations, that their offers are strictly that, negotiating positions offered up for the democrats consideration, and if the democrats don't like the offered concessions, the GOP offer more concessions.

Posted by: Dennison Patrick at September 30, 2013 08:29 AM (yvxbd)

164
>>>dueling should come back in vogue.

Duelling by vogue dancing?

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at September 30, 2013 08:30 AM (3ZtZW)

165 The Trigenmalorians, with their unique extraterrestrial perspective on the orientations of puny humans, say we must be more like the Democrats to defeat the Democrats.
We have to listen, 'cus they've traveled 10,000 light years from home to get down here on our level.
Me, I just want to root out every Red, try 'em and hang 'em, and stand watch to make sure none creep out of the next gen. We'd win that way, too.

Posted by: Cretin, moron isotopes, etc. at September 30, 2013 08:31 AM (tfSla)

166 I mean, McLame would lose every time, you know?

Posted by: Bigby's Itchy Fingers at September 30, 2013 08:31 AM (3ZtZW)

167 Doom up

Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2013 08:31 AM (zZbNF)

168 http://preview.tinyurl.com/kjv92w7 (h/t FrontPage mag)
Root out every Red, try 'em and hang 'em, stand watch to make sure none creep out of the next gen
Otherwise they run for mayor of NYC. Or get elected preznit..

Posted by: Cretin, moron isotopes, etc. at September 30, 2013 08:33 AM (tfSla)

169 The comments section of the WSJ Marketwatch article on Ocare are filled with Demprogs singing the new hit tune "Romney Started Obamacare How Come It's Only Bad When Obama Does It."

Who could have seen that coming? /sarc

Posted by: 800 lb gorilla at September 30, 2013 08:33 AM (5ikDv)

170
I read that the zombies will be getting smarter. Not sure how. When they lie dormant are they using that time to think up ways to breach defenses? I would think that the more you rot, the dumber you get.

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman, PhD Bitches! at September 30, 2013 08:33 AM (T0Pku)

171 On the late news last night, the local station dug out file footage of tourists being unable to visit the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia due to some previous govmint shutdown. Why? Unfair and unbalanced to...

Sudden Vehement Extortionist Nihilists or SVEN

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 30, 2013 08:35 AM (U2UQk)

172 Well. My day just got awesome. The Boss just tasked me to determine if cancelling our health insurance through our current provider and going on Obamacare will be cheaper.


What the fuck am I supposed to say? Of course it will be cheaper for the firm. It will completely fuck over us. But the thing is? It is my duty to answer that question from the perspective of what will be best for the firm's bottom line. Period. Well, hell, that's a two second answer. Cancel our insurance and throw us to the wolves. Duh.


Mayhap I shall make a chart to show the relative levels of emfuckening.


I should note I am being unfair to The Boss. What he means is will it be cheaper if the firm pays through our insurance through an exchange instead of through the current provider. He's bent over backwards for the last few years to keep paying 100% of our premiums. Yes, I am insanely fortunate for that and I know it and I know he intends to still do that by such subtle indications as him saying "I will keep paying your insurance". But still. From the pure economics of it, I know what I should recommend.


Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at September 30, 2013 08:35 AM (VtjlW)

173 If we do end up getting a govt shutdown, I hope that somebody seizes the opportunity to yank the plug and twist the prongs with a pair of pliers.

That will fuck 'em up for a good six months.
For most of those useless PsOS it would be easier to go home than fix the connection.

Posted by: ontherocks at September 30, 2013 08:35 AM (loV67)

174 They may be running out of Christian females to abuse....

http://preview.tinyurl.com/mabuo6h

One wonders if the sex jihadis even have their clitorises, what with rampant FGM/C in the Muslim world.

Posted by: Cretin, moron isotopes, etc. at September 30, 2013 08:36 AM (tfSla)

175 Oh, tricky, tricky assholes indeed.
Posted by: Weirddave at September 30, 2013 08:27 AM (jt8G9)

That's the trick. First, for approximately the same premium someone is paying now, offer a plan with exceptionally higher deductibles. All the press will report on is that premiums are the same or lower.

With the subsidies, soon the poor will have much better healthcare than those in the middle. So now, the rich will continue to get the best, along with the poor who are getting massive subsidies. Those making more the 50K (the sweet spot for tapping big money) will get soaked.

Typical.

Posted by: jwest at September 30, 2013 08:37 AM (u2a4R)

176 Heard it through the grapevine: Howard Stern to run for President with Jesse Ventura. He can still keep his program while running. That should really make the election interesting. Who will lose the votes, the dems or the republicans? Wasn't this done already with Clinton?

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 08:38 AM (Nx76m)

177
"I has three kittehs. The only time I see a mouse is when a dead one has been dropped on the porch as a love-offering."


You're not living until having washed the mouse turds out ofan automatic-drip coffee maker.

Posted by: Cicero Kid. Proud owner of percolator. at September 30, 2013 08:38 AM (DHQv9)

178
This whole Bukkake-care thing is utterly maddening. If it really were about giving 30 million uninsure people (spurious at best), then it would cost a mere $90 billion dollars per year. Just give each of them a check for $3,000 a year to buy any fucking policy.

But as we know, it's not about insurance or health care; it's about government achieving total control over the individual, once and for all.

Guns. And butter.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 08:38 AM (WjLUf)

179 176 Heard it through the grapevine: Howard Stern to run for President with Jesse Ventura. He can still keep his program while running. That should really make the election interesting. Who will lose the votes, the dems or the republicans? Wasn't this done already with Clinton?
Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 08:38 AM (Nx76m)


IIRC, Joe Walsh ran in 1980.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 08:39 AM (WjLUf)

180 I'm surprised Philadelphia doesn't charge people to see the Liberty Bell. They charge them to see the Constitution.

Posted by: Case at September 30, 2013 08:39 AM (jhRZ+)

181 @95

The establishment GOPs strategy seems to have been let obamacare become fully implemented, allow its tentacles to become fully embedded in the American fabric allow millions of people to become dependent upon it and then as of by magic somehow completely do away with at some future date.

These guys are fucking clowns.

Posted by: Kreplach at September 30, 2013 08:40 AM (rFlKB)

182 181 Kreplach @8:40,

Hey no fair you looked at our plan.

//McCain Inc

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 30, 2013 08:41 AM (9jfyN)

183 "Romney Started Obamacare How Come It's Only Bad When Obama Does It."
***
Nominating liberals is not only bad from a conservative perspective since someone like Romney would not advance conservative goals had he won, but also from a Republican perspective because it weakens the brand and reduces elections to popularity contests.

The old adage that given a choice between liberal and liberal lite that the electorate will choose the former has been born out again and again.

And consider how it works. If there are substantive ideological differences on the table in an election - see 2004 or 1984 - then the candidates will talk about them and the electorate will generally choose a candidate based on those issues.

If there are no substantive issues on the table, like in say 2008 or 1992 then it becomes a question of who seems "cooler". And the state media will almost always be able to present the more liberal candidate is the more enticing one from a charismatic perspective...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 30, 2013 08:41 AM (zPVBH)

184 Be ready for PSAs on the dreaded camel toe!

http://goo.gl/fviHWH

'I can't control it': Khloe battles dreaded camel toe…

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman, PhD Bitches! at September 30, 2013 08:41 AM (T0Pku)

185 181 @95

The establishment GOPs strategy seems to have been let obamacare become fully implemented, allow its tentacles to become fully embedded in the American fabric allow millions of people to become dependent upon it and then as of by magic somehow completely do away with at some future date.

These guys are fucking clowns.
Posted by: Kreplach at September 30, 2013 08:40 AM (rFlKB)

It worked for the Department of Education right?

Posted by: Strategic Corporal USMC at September 30, 2013 08:42 AM (6J+oK)

186 They charge them to see the Constitution.

What's the big deal? I couldn't read a word of it.

Signed,
Future generation Common Cores graduate of a school that dropped cursive handwriting.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 30, 2013 08:44 AM (U2UQk)

187 Anarchy. "Words, just words."

Once undergone revision through misapplication? Lazy people (most) and cool cats can't resist joining the crowd. Jumping off the cliff.

It happens when people prefer playing Alinsky in order to "win" dirty. Only what remains thereafter is not what should have been conserved, integrity.

Stick to the truth on record.

Stop yourself from applying "anarchist" to those who are not, just to score a take down of something you never studied because it seemed so discomforting to face. When the truth hurts, it doesn't mean you can't face it. Turning a blind eye, you can unintentionally end up taken down by the very same word you used inappropriately, or let slide by.

"Harry Reid says the opposition party are anarchists because they act like an opposition party." -- Donlyn Turnbull, The DC

Where in the circle, authoritarianism meets anarchy, we've found ourselves stuck between the rock and the hard spot under authoritarians who don't abide by the laws they impose. When chaos is imposed by our "betters" to enable their own further power grab, leaving us in the mire. When there is no rule of law, the Supreme Law of the Land drowned beneath an ocean of newly legislated laws that don't apply to the lawmakers. For the oppressed massive majority of law abiding citizenry mandated to walk the plank by the pirates who've usurped Constitutional Governance, the pirates began anarchy via their own mutiny from the Supreme Law of the Land.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 08:45 AM (MhA4j)

188 Weirdave - That 100% plan will likely be stratospheric in cost.

The states that have published premium prices are pretty much in line with what you expect for a comprehensive insurance plan. I believe maximum out of pocket for individuals is $6250 per year and $12500 for families. There will, of course, be extremes like the one you noted, but BCBS will not be providing that kind of plan on the cheap.

Yes, the design of this POS is indeed very tricky. They though they could suck people in and get them dependent on the subsidies... but the subsidies are only meaningful to the relatively poor people. And if you are really poor, you get put on Medicaid under ACA anyway.

The bottom line is there is still a lot out of pocket in either premiums, deductibles and co-pays that many who are currently uninsured will balk at.

I'd be interested to hear what the premiums are for that BCBS plan when you get the numbers.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 30, 2013 08:49 AM (AYOav)

189
Eric Holthaus
‏@EricHolthaus






Despite what the HuffPost wrote (http://huff.to/18e3Hpw), we haven't yet decided not to have kids. That's an incredibly personal decision.
http://tinyurl.com/mb9ngep

This is the climate change crying meteorologist.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 08:50 AM (Nx76m)

190
Signed,
Future generation Common Cores graduate of a school that dropped cursive handwriting.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat

and mental calculation

With the slide rule, man went to the moon and back, alive.

Word, just words.
Numbers, just numbers.
Symbols, just symbols.

Meaning, the more talent you forfeit for the ease of technology, the dumber you get, and in the end, the less you are. NASA

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 08:53 AM (MhA4j)

191 As long as we have career politicians in the Senate who lust after Committee Chairmanships and such, and know the only way to get there is a majority with the likes of Jefferies, et al, we are screwed. The only safe path is 41 Solid Conservatives who will vote NO on everything, and control of House with a Speaker with some balls.

Posted by: Jean at September 30, 2013 08:53 AM (CMlD4)

192 I showed the kids some of my slide rules ... they looked at me like I was in a Geico commercial.

Posted by: Jean at September 30, 2013 08:56 AM (CMlD4)

193 There is simply no way given our financial situation that we could afford to play 12,000 a year for health insurance. I'm hoping that the spousal policy which covers all of us will continue for a while, because I refuse to go on Obamacare. I'm not even covered under my own work policy and they already sent me a letter saying "You may not be eligible for insurance" or basically in less legalese language, "The Affordable care act is a total screw up and we don't know what will happen yet. Just send us your information anyway." :^(
I didn't send it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 30, 2013 08:59 AM (a4Omg)

194 Attorney Generals on Constitutional Law

TX AG Sen.Cornyn : US AG Holder.

Shared values so long as every elitist is a winner on the tenure party ball that keeps rotating turns.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 09:00 AM (MhA4j)

195 192. Dumbfounded push button instant gratification kids these days. Scary to find that "age group" permeating adulthood.

More unnerving to find our own families assimilated, thinking that thinking is so archaic, outmoded. Even illegal.

Damn Woodrow Wilson

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 30, 2013 09:07 AM (MhA4j)

196 Any Tweeters here?:

Tweet out #Blame Harry Reid.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/09/blameharryreid/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 30, 2013 09:09 AM (a4Omg)

197 Meaning, the more talent you forfeit for the ease of technology, the dumber you get, and in the end, the less you are.

I believe there is an area of the brain you have to teach at an early age. For want of a technical term I'll call it the 'Oh! That's like...' connection. You teach block lettering in first grade then cursive in second grade. The child see's the similarity between the letters, has an 'Oh! That's like...' moment, and life goes on. In later years, the child might learn a foreign language and has another, or many, 'Oh! That's like...' moments.

I struggled to learn my first computer language, then decided to learn another, better language. I had many 'Oh! That's like...' moments. I kept going into a third, fourth, fifth, and sixth computer language with remarkable ease.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 30, 2013 09:10 AM (U2UQk)

198 "This burns bridges. Conservative Republicans get tired of being told they are sellouts because they take a different tactical approach. Which gets us where we are today: Most Republican senators got tired of Ted Cruz and voted for cloture on the continuing resolution."

Burning a bridge that holds no weight is no vice. They were going to vote for cloture anyway. THEY burned their bridges long ago. The point now is to replace them rather than to listen to them.

Posted by: cackfinger at September 30, 2013 09:17 AM (OsCtd)

199 "Cruz and Lee painted differences in tactics as a lack of principle — or a sign of secret liberalism."

Those are the oddest ways to spell "Ace" and "Drew M." I've ever seen.

Posted by: Demosthenes at September 30, 2013 09:22 AM (c5AtG)

200 Richard Lindzen on global warming: "I think that the latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence."
************************
It's not so hilarious when you remember that the left is using this incoherent BS to shut down coal plants and stop fracking and stall the Keystone pipeline and create mountains of ludicrous new EPA regulations -- all of which are driving up energy costs for already strapped American consumers.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at September 30, 2013 09:25 AM (/sohm)

201 So, is there chance that Malor will repair his factually incorrect "York" headline?

Posted by: Troll Feeder at September 30, 2013 09:30 AM (Cl6Cl)

202
"GOP Senators on Senate Conservatives Fund: “They are spending most of their money going after Republicans and making it harder for us to nominate and elect Republicans and regain the majority.”
I stopped contributing after SCF contribution recipient Rubio went RINO on amnesty. Maybe I should start again.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at September 30, 2013 10:11 AM (sugnf)

203
For only controlling 1/3 of the government, the GOP has managed to stop the DREAM Act, gun control, and a potential war in Syria. You can hate the GOP all you want but saying they're the same as Democrats is just objectively incorrect.

Posted by: Paul at September 30, 2013 10:18 AM (JM48I)

204
>>>In case people forgot, George W. Bush had a majority in both the House and Senate... and he GREW the government. Until the advent of Bukkake Obama, he was the most profligate spender of all time.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2013 07:04 AM (WjLUf)

..........Good job buying into that Dem narrative that there was another president in history who was even on the same planet as Obama when it comes to out-of-control spending. The MFM wouldn't be so evil if it wasn't good at its job.

Posted by: Paul at September 30, 2013 10:20 AM (JM48I)

205 >>>I stopped contributing after SCF contribution recipient Rubio went RINO on amnesty. Maybe I should start again.Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at September 30, 2013 10:11 AM (sugnf)Rubio voted with Cruz and is now a True Patriot Hero again. Don't worry, I have trouble keeping up too.

Posted by: Paul at September 30, 2013 10:22 AM (JM48I)

206 The TeaTards will usher in a new era of universal liberal Democrat rule. But at least they'll be pure.

Posted by: packsoldier at September 30, 2013 10:37 AM (SN9A+)

207 Gabe, what is the purpose of the GOP?

Posted by: eman at September 30, 2013 11:01 AM (AO9UG)

208 "206 The TeaTards will usher in a new era of universal liberal Democrat rule. But at least they'll be pure."

That "new era" arrived in 2008 when the pragmatic strategic genius tactician republicans decided to be timid and civil to everyone but their own party members. That duck has quacked. Sorry you missed the whole ' let's sell out the base for a chance to get independents ' strategy failing to do anything but get leftist garbage out of committee and in front of Obama's pen.

You guys are fucking losers and idiots. You want to blame the tea party? Who cares loser? Nobody listens to you snakes anymore but Gabe.

Posted by: cackfinger at September 30, 2013 12:57 PM (OsCtd)

209 "gun control" was stopped by polls and interest groups. The GOP was looking to extend background checks and look into a few tighter restrictions on certain weapons.

Except it wasn't stopped and Kerry just signed and arms control treaty that creates a means for the executive to do it without congress if the senate ratifies it. And even if it doesn't ratify the president can comply with the treaty for the duration of his administration if he wants to knowing he won't be seriously challenged in the senate.

Posted by: cackfinger at September 30, 2013 01:01 PM (OsCtd)

210 @ 208

Maybe we wouldn't have been able to get Mike Castle's vote to defund or delay. But we'd have a hell of a lot better chance getting his vote than Chris Coons.

The same could be said about Jane Norton and Michael Bennet, Jerry Tarkanian and Harry Reid, Dick Lugar and Joe Donnelly, and John Brunner/Sarah Steelman and Claire McCaskill. Hey, that would put the GOP at fifty seats right there. And if we add in that it would have been easier to get Lisa Murkowski's vote before the Joe Miller challenge...

Now, the Tea Party is a wonderful movement. It has given the country Rubio, Toomey, Lee, Cruz, Paul...good Senators, those. And it certainly didn't cause all the losses in winnable seats, either. Montana and North Dakota this last time should have been gimmes, and those are just the two I thought of immediately -- and it's not as though Tea Partiers in those states didn't turn out to support Rehberg and Berg. But let's not pretend as though the Tea Party hasn't been a bit of a double-edged sword electorally.

Posted by: Demosthenes at September 30, 2013 01:39 PM (c5AtG)

211 "For only controlling 1/3 of the government, the GOP has managed to stop the DREAM Act, gun control, and a potential war in Syria. You can hate the GOP all you want but saying they're the same as Democrats is just objectively incorrect.
Posted by: Paul at September 30, 2013 10:18 AM (JM48I)"

John Boehner and Eric Cantor SUPPORTED war in Syria, John Boehner and Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan SUPPORTED "immigration reform", and they got bombed out of acting on that support by we the people. I strongly suspect they would waffle on gun control if it were politically safe.

"Maybe we wouldn't have been able to get Mike Castle's vote to defund or delay. But we'd have a hell of a lot better chance getting his vote than Chris Coons."

And it's more likely the Steelers will be 1-4 than 0-5, but why bother betting on that?

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at October 01, 2013 12:41 AM (93v5i)

212 Rob Schneider just became a Republican





Ha. Ha. Ha.

Posted by: The Four Horsemen Of The Apacolypse at October 01, 2013 06:11 AM (+KtKI)

213 180 RIP Tom Clancy
Posted by: Sven10077 at October 02, 2013<p>***<p>Damn.<p>Remember when I first read The Hunt for Red October. Read it one sitting, staying up all night to do it.<p>Rest well, patriot. <p>Well done.

Posted by: Powderhouse at October 02, 2013 10:18 AM (Xv7f/)

214 213 180 RIP Tom Clancy Posted by: Sven10077 at October 02, 2013***Damn.Remember when I first read The Hunt for Red October. Read it one sitting, staying up all night to do it.Rest well, patriot. Well done.

Posted by: Powderhouse at October 02, 2013 10:19 AM (Xv7f/)






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