Al-Qaeda pivots to the economy

This is what I'd feared for some time now.

...He [Zawahiri] goes on to emphasize the importance of so-called "lone-wolf", or small-scale attacks as part of al-Qaeda's strategy.

Such attacks, he argues, will have an economic impact above all.

"We must bleed America economically by provoking it, so that it continues its massive expenditures on security. America's weak spot is its economy, which began to totter from the drain of its military and security expenditure," he says...

We all know how effective the Mohamed/Malvo shooting spree was at inducing regional paralysis, and those turds were amateurs, practically begging to get caught. Had they taken their show on the road, moved around a bit more, stretched the hit interval somewhat, they could still be doing it today.

Small dedicated independent one or two man teams are essentially immune to being compromised from the inside. You're not gonna get an undercover inside their "organization", and you're not going to be able to use all the usual network discovery tricks on them.

OTOH, if they're doing operations that are hardware/gear intensive, then they've got to risk (somewhat) more exposure in their acquisitions since a couple of dozen items can't be parceled out over a number of individuals to make them seem more innocuous.

If one guy walks into Home Depot and checks out with plastic sheeting, some shovels, rope, duct tape, a cordless sawzall, a machete, some bags of lime, and a bunch of hefty bags, it might raise some eyebrows. If those kill kit components are spread out over 6 buyers, no flags would ever be raised.

Posted by: Purp at 11:23 AM



Comments

1 Yeah

Posted by: wrg500 at September 13, 2013 11:25 AM (xZ8Ay)

2 Sawzall is too messy. Best to use a hand saw.

Posted by: garrett at September 13, 2013 11:26 AM (KMbnZ)

3 Even Zawahiri shows more economic saavy that Obama (and frankly most in Congress). This is disheartening and it is where the big boys and girls need to tell the snivelers to sit down and STFU (in a constructive way of course).

Posted by: dogfish, naught naught spy at September 13, 2013 11:26 AM (nsOJa)

4 If those kill kit components are spread out over 6 buyers, no flags would ever be raised.

Or spread out across multiple vendors, in multiple communities, and paid for in cash.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 11:27 AM (4df7R)

5 Actually military and security are a not much of a "drain" on our economy .Grates on me that that ugly fuck is still alive.

Posted by: steevy at September 13, 2013 11:27 AM (9XBK2)

6
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 11:27 AM (4df7R)

you bring willow?

Posted by: wrg500 at September 13, 2013 11:28 AM (kl3xJ)

7 Al-Qaeda pivots to the economy, fails to beat Obama's pivoting on the economy with his tracked bus.

Posted by: somejoe at September 13, 2013 11:28 AM (+KtKI)

8 Sounds like Zawahiri has read Reagan's and Casey's playbook they wrote when dealing with the Soviets. Bankrupt them by forcing them to spend money they don't have to defend themselves. Of course the Soviets were a command Marxist economy with no private capital. Will this work on the U.S. today?...

Posted by: xknight at September 13, 2013 11:28 AM (e1tA5)

9 WILLOW WAS INFORMED.

Posted by: Gingy at September 13, 2013 11:28 AM (aH+zP)

10 I keep waiting for infrastructure attacks -- identify and destroy some crucial electricity or petroleum nodes and we are deeply, profoundly screwed.

Posted by: joncelli at September 13, 2013 11:28 AM (RD7QR)

11 But they could spread those purchases out over several sympathizers in various towns as they make their rounds. An innocuous purchase here or there that is then "given" to a co-religionist "in need".

Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 13, 2013 11:29 AM (4WhSY)

12 you bring willow?
Posted by: wrg500 at September 13, 2013 11:28 AM (kl3xJ)


lol! I just went to get her! GMTA.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 11:29 AM (4df7R)

13 10/10 for the title.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2013 11:29 AM (Qci+c)

14 That quote sounds like it could have come from BHO.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 11:29 AM (ZrcV/)

15 AoS- First in "Willow Watch"

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 13, 2013 11:29 AM (8sCoq)

16 All you had to do was watch the news to see just how inept this pussy Purell culture we live in can be completely crippled by one relatively small scale terrorist action.

It's the new zero risk CYA management style, and it's here to stay. AQ's absolutely right on this one. There's never too little of other peoples money.

Posted by: Clownf*cker at September 13, 2013 11:30 AM (CGjum)

17 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 11:30 AM (/PCJa)

18 <i>Had they taken their show on the road, moved around a bit more,
stretched the hit interval somewhat, they could still be doing it today.</i>

Well now they know Purp! We're giving out too many tips to these D-bags.

Posted by: Cashin at September 13, 2013 11:30 AM (TYEu4)

19 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 11:30 AM (/PCJa)

20 Never work.....NSA is up to the task.

Posted by: BignJames at September 13, 2013 11:30 AM (HtUkt)

21 I keep waiting for infrastructure attacks -- identify and destroy some crucial electricity or petroleum nodes and we are deeply, profoundly screwed.
Posted by: joncelli at September 13, 2013 11:28 AM (RD7QR)


I'm more worried about soft targets. A few whackjobs with backpack nukes in malls across teh country on Black Friday...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 11:30 AM (4df7R)

22
AoS- First in "Willow Watch"

I hope she follows the trail of brownie crumbs.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 13, 2013 11:30 AM (0HooB)

23 If those kill kit components are spread out over 6 buyers, no flags would ever be raised.
Or spread out across multiple vendors, in multiple communities, and paid for in cash.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 11:27 AM (4df7R)


Mmm-hmm. Also the easiest way to kill someone and get away with it. And where to bury? The deep woods / swamps / marshes off exit ramps or at the sides of the highways. No one's ever going to look there.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 13, 2013 11:30 AM (zF6Iw)

24 And even better: these are the people we're trying to help in Syria.

Syrian attacks on US Soil: 0
Al Qaeda Attacks on US Soil: 3

For the record.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 11:31 AM (/PCJa)

25 Dan Simmons predicted this in "Flashback". As America becomes more insecure, it redirects its resources to security for the elite; and as revenue dries up for the non-elite, more non-elites turn to nihilism and blow shit up.

Nukes aren't necessary. Just a lot of bored assholes with too much idle time. Some will be Muslims. Many won't be.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 13, 2013 11:31 AM (d7tB2)

26 10 I keep waiting for infrastructure attacks -- identify and destroy some crucial electricity or petroleum nodes and we are deeply, profoundly screwed.
Posted by: joncelli at September 13, 2013 11:28 AM (RD7QR)

BP explosion and spill
West, Texas

There was another one. Help me out.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 11:31 AM (ZrcV/)

27 If AoS was a radio station it would be KAOS

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 13, 2013 11:31 AM (8sCoq)

28 There was another one. Help me out.

Train derailment in Ontario?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 13, 2013 11:32 AM (/kI1Q)

29 I'm more worried about soft targets. A few whackjobs with backpack nukes in malls across teh country on Black Friday...

No backpack nukes. Three bombs put on three school buses in three different cities on the same day. Instant shutdown.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at September 13, 2013 11:32 AM (U4bcd)

30 I've honestly been shocked that we haven't yet been the victims of a Mumbai style small unit attack. Can you imagine the chaosif say half a dozen teams of twoshooters each attacked alarge mall in 6 major metropolitan area? I mean, two trained shooters with rifles, pistols, and body armor could do a lot of damage before they were stopped. And scrounging up a dozen rifles, vests, and a few thousand rounds of ammunition would be child's play. Can you imagine the economic hit if 120 people were killed, spread overmallsin Boston, New York, Chicago, San Franciso, Miami, and Atlanta; perhaps say, on Black Friday, when stores are already packed practically shoulder to shoulder. Not to mention the chaos if it happened AGAIN the next week. Stores would shutter for weeks. That's the kind of thing that keeps me up late at night. And it would cost less than a quarter million dollars to execute.

Posted by: Amichel at September 13, 2013 11:32 AM (ceoOP)

31 20 Never work.....NSA is up to the task.
Posted by: BignJames at September 13, 2013 11:30 AM (HtUkt)


Wrong. They will be hindered by their ignore suspicious Muslims algorithm.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 13, 2013 11:32 AM (LI48c)

32 Once you accept the possibility that President Michael Jackson is seeking the destruction of America as we knew it, they start to become utterly predictable:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/pjckw66

Posted by: Cretin, moron isotopes becoming high-grade in thousands of cenrifuges at September 13, 2013 11:33 AM (tfSla)

33 If one guy walks into Home Depot and checks out with

I'm friendly with the cashier at my local Lowes and I buy some nasty stuff because nasty stuff does a helluva job if you use it correctly and don't burn yourself in the process and I asked her, "You ever wonder about what people are doing buying this?"

She said, "Oh, we're watching. We have procedures, managers to call, etc." I can only hope.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 13, 2013 11:33 AM (U2UQk)

34 They don't even need to get ahold of anything so advanced as a backpack nuke. Couple sticks of dynamite could shut down pretty much any major city until the perp was caught. Meanwhile the alphabet agency's will leave the real targets open to major attack because they all need to "add value" to the manhunt.

Posted by: Clownf*cker at September 13, 2013 11:33 AM (CGjum)

35 Will this work on the U.S. today?...

The US is heading for Post-Soviet level misery with or without Al Qaeda. They could never do as much damage as Washington does.

The difference is the US going down will probably put the rest of the world in a nasty funk.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2013 11:33 AM (Qci+c)

36 28 There was another one. Help me out.

Train derailment in Ontario?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 13, 2013 11:32 AM (/kI1Q)

It was in the US. Around the same time as the West explosion.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 11:33 AM (ZrcV/)

37 O/T, but appropriate to some of the HQ's threads:

http://wondermark.com

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 13, 2013 11:33 AM (zF6Iw)

38
If one guy walks into Home Depot and checks out with plastic sheeting,
some shovels, rope, duct tape, a cordless sawzall, a machete, some bags
of lime, and a bunch of hefty bags, it might raise some eyebrows.










NOW you tell me.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 13, 2013 11:33 AM (TIIx5)

39
There was another one. Help me out.

I seem to remember a western wildfire a couple of years back started by a member of the RoP.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 13, 2013 11:33 AM (0HooB)

40 let's not give 'em any ideas, y'all

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 13, 2013 11:34 AM (8sCoq)

41 Someone takes out 1 of the 2 bridges around DC the east coast is screwed.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 13, 2013 11:34 AM (L9Mr/)

42 Brad Thor - Full Black.

The only thing protecting most people is scale - they can't kill us all, yet. But they are trying.

Posted by: grognard at September 13, 2013 11:34 AM (/29Nl)

43 But they could spread those purchases out over several sympathizers in various towns

The moment you introduce sympathizers, you no longer have a small impenetrable team.

Every point of contact is a risk multiplier.

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 11:34 AM (9MLX+)

44 Couple sticks of dynamite could shut down pretty much any major city until the perp was caught.

A Lite-Brite could shut down any major city.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_bomb_scare

Known Russian jihadis, not so much.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 13, 2013 11:34 AM (/kI1Q)

45 Why they have not done this earlier is a mystery to me, as it is so obvious. I have been shocked by the lack of follow up attacks after their success in Boston. Thankful, but shocked.

But fixing this issue is only expensive because we, in our feminized culture of niceness uber alles, make it so. The muslim problem has an obvious, low cost, highly effective remedy. But we choose to believe that most of them are just like us deep down, or that taking action to save ourselves at their expense is somehow a moral problem. These stupid notions make us vulnerable, preventing us from removing the muslim cancer.

Posted by: Reactionary at September 13, 2013 11:34 AM (DiLaT)

46 If AoS was a radio station it would be KAOS

I want radio station WMNS. "And welcome to afternoon drivetime here on WMNS - The Hands of Fate."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 13, 2013 11:34 AM (zF6Iw)

47 It was in the US. Around the same time as the West explosion.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 11:33 AM (ZrcV/)


Propane explosion in Florida?

Posted by: grognard at September 13, 2013 11:35 AM (/29Nl)

48 Might be 'bout time we played cowboys and muslims,,,

Posted by: John Wayne at September 13, 2013 11:35 AM (GjPnA)

49 Nukes aren't necessary. Just a lot of bored assholes with too much idle time. Some will be Muslims. Many won't be.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 13, 2013 11:31 AM (d7tB2)


They don't have to be Muslims to still be sympathetic to the "freedom fighters'" cause. If that lily-white c*ntlicker Middlebury College "protestor" who uprooted those 3000 US flags from the 9/11 memorial had been more of a fanatic and less of a cowardly granola munching whore, she'd be a prime example. Anti-imperialist, anti-American, utterly brainwashed by the American academic system and it's self-loathing bias. She's perfect.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 11:35 AM (4df7R)

50 "Small dedicated independent one or two man teams are essentially immune to being compromised from the inside. You're not gonna get an undercover inside their "organization", and you're not going to be able to use all the usual network discovery tricks on them."

Hell, Russia came right out and told us about the Boston Marathon bombers and it still did no good.
We're too busy hand raping grannies and 6 year olds at airports to be bothered with looking at people who might be actual terrorist threats.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 13, 2013 11:35 AM (jmE9Q)

51 And it would cost less than a quarter million dollars to execute.

Posted by: Amichel at September 13, 2013 11:32 AM (ceoOP)

And we've sent some millions to them by now, haven't we?
#boned

Posted by: KG at September 13, 2013 11:35 AM (p7BzH)

52 I'm not sure who this Zawahiri guy thinks he is. We are focused like a LASER on domestic militias and Constitution-and-bible thumping Tea Party terrorists.
We will not take the bait and look into this small-time nonsense.
Everybody knows that Islam is a religion of peace.

Posted by: Janet Napolitano at September 13, 2013 11:35 AM (ZFdsD)

53
Almost finished with my Ark here. I'm skipping the squirrels, but I need a female honey badger if anybody has one.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 13, 2013 11:35 AM (sj9LN)

54 The moment you introduce sympathizers, you no longer have a small impenetrable team.

True.

But 2 people both buying from Lowes, Home Depot, and Ace (especially using cash) would be perfectly able to spread their purchases out enough that no additional "sympathizers" are necessary.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 11:35 AM (/PCJa)

55 5 Actually military and security are a not much of a "drain" on our economy .Grates on me that that ugly fuck is still alive.

Posted by: steevy at September 13, 2013 11:27 AM (9XBK2)

True dat, BUT don't disconnect those Obama Phones or EBT cards.

Posted by: John Smith at September 13, 2013 11:36 AM (wR+pz)

56 Someone takes out 1 of the 2 bridges around DC the east coast is screwed.

I was more thinking we're screwed if we don't tear up all the roadways leading to and from DC. But I feel a self-denunciation coming on

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 13, 2013 11:36 AM (d7tB2)

57
You forgot the zip ties, Purp.

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 13, 2013 11:37 AM (tOkJB)

58 America's weak spot is its economy

Don't remind me...

Posted by: t-bird at September 13, 2013 11:37 AM (FcR7P)

59 But 2 people both buying from Lowes, Home Depot, and Ace (especially using cash) would be perfectly able to spread their purchases out enough that no additional "sympathizers" are necessary.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 11:35 AM (/PCJa)


Especially if they're willing to travel farther afield than the local area.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 11:38 AM (4df7R)

60 Look, all you gotta do is get Amazon to make gold-box specials out of all the goodies, then go arrest everyone that buys.

Even Al-Qaeda can't pass up Prime shipping on a ton of fertilizer.

Posted by: JEM at September 13, 2013 11:38 AM (o+SC1)

61 2
Sawzall is too messy. Best to use a hand saw.

Posted by: garrett at September 13, 2013 11:26 AM (KMbnZ)
frozen things splatter less. yw

Posted by: trailortrash at September 13, 2013 11:38 AM (xllDV)

62 They don't have to do anything but wait for Obama and the dims to finish us off.

Posted by: BignJames at September 13, 2013 11:38 AM (HtUkt)

63 Is it weird that my brain switched out Obama for Al-Qaeda? I guess they're technically on the same side, since Bammy wants to (and is) help out those Al-Qaeda types in Syria.

Posted by: GMan at September 13, 2013 11:38 AM (sxq57)

64 Btw, the attack on our economic engine as of 9/11/01 marked a new phase of activity by America's enemies. It wasn't just two tall buildings they tried to destroy.
Formerly, the enemy wanted to destroy our war machine and interdict our supply. They wanted the economic engine for the peace to follow.
This enemy only wants martyrdom or our submission to their prophet, 8-year old brides, bacha bazi, and a herd of goats on every sand dune. Fundamentally transforming the struggle....

Posted by: Cretin, moron isotopes becoming high-grade in thousands of cenrifuges at September 13, 2013 11:38 AM (tfSla)

65 brownie crumbs? perks up.

I would think Obama's attempts to fix the economy for His cronies is more of a danger than military expense.
Although i do see Al Qaeda's attempts to do a little dance all over the world including attacks like Boston would be draining .
Yet the apparatus is already set up and if used properly , you know against terrorism instead of typical america and others around the world that shoudl not be of interest ..

anyway
Thank guys for heads up!
i was setting up stuff for tomorrow night and was distracted.

Posted by: willow at September 13, 2013 11:39 AM (nqBYe)

66 You simply spread your purchases out over multiple stores. The smaller the better - i.e. less surveillance. One guy could make a dozen "innocuous" purchases in a couple days in any metropolitan area that could never be linked as long as he used cash.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 13, 2013 11:39 AM (f9c2L)

67 I always wondered when (not if) a Beslan style attack would happen here. I am still convinced that it will. What I am not convinced of is our National will to fight back. These 7th century head hackers are itching for a fight, and we are just standing around kicking the dirt. Is there a point at which we have the National will to go all out on them?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 13, 2013 11:39 AM (32Ze2)

68 And with the Mexican border wide open, there's no telling how many "lone wolfs" are already here.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 13, 2013 11:39 AM (0HooB)

69 If one guy walks into Home Depot and checks out with plastic sheeting, some shovels, rope, duct tape, a cordless sawzall, a machete, some bags of lime, and a bunch of hefty bags, it might raise some eyebrows. If those kill kit components are spread out over 6 buyers, no flags would ever be raised.

------------------------------

I love that scene in 30 Minutes or Less when they're at Wal Mart:

Register Woman: Guns. Mask. You sure you all don't wanna grab some condoms?

Nick: No. Why?

Register Woman: Because this is usually what men buy before they rape someone.

Chet: Oh, we're not rapists! Us two, small fries? No way.

[she gives them a cold unbelieving look]

Register Woman: Is it gonna be cash or credit for your rape kit?

[Chet put a box of hamburger slider kit on the counter]

Chet: Hey, is a slider station in a rape kit? Cause we're gettin' one of those too.

Nick: We'll pay cash.

Chet: Not into rape, just into sliders.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 13, 2013 11:39 AM (CJjw5)

70 30 I've honestly been shocked that we haven't yet been the victims of a Mumbai style small unit attack. Can you imagine the chaosif say half a dozen teams of twoshooters each attacked alarge mall in 6 major metropolitan area? I mean, two trained shooters with rifles, pistols, and body armor could do a lot of damage before they were stopped. And scrounging up a dozen rifles, vests, and a few thousand rounds of ammunition would be child's play. Can you imagine the economic hit if 120 people were killed, spread overmallsin Boston, New York, Chicago, San Franciso, Miami, and Atlanta; perhaps say, on Black Friday, when stores are already packed practically shoulder to shoulder. Not to mention the chaos if it happened AGAIN the next week. Stores would shutter for weeks. That's the kind of thing that keeps me up late at night. And it would cost less than a quarter million dollars to execute.
Posted by: Amichel at September 13, 2013 11:32 AM (ceoOP)

I've been half-expecting one since it happened. If it did, it would be in a blue state, because of percieved lower likelihood of resistance. I say 'percieved' because there are plenty of persons in blue states who would shoot back.

That's why the Beltway Snipers sniped instead of doing a Mumbai-style attack.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 11:40 AM (rpl5P)

71 @30 "Can you imagine the chaosif say half a dozen teams of twoshooters each attacked alarge mall in 6 major metropolitan area?"

You should read "The Teeth of the Tiger" by Tom Clancy. That is almost exactly what terrorists do in that book. Decent book by the way.

Posted by: ChaoticSwarm at September 13, 2013 11:40 AM (2uova)

72 America's weak spot is its economy

Actually I'd say America's weak-spot is its inability to believe in facts and reality instead of dreams, wishes and unicorns. The economy is simply one example of that delusion in action. The tendency of the TSA to single out and molest old people, disabled people, and young children for increased scrutiny is another.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 11:40 AM (4df7R)

73 funniest post headline I've seen all day

Posted by: working_man at September 13, 2013 11:40 AM (cJWvF)

74 Baldi - 'It was in the US. Around the same time as the West explosion'

Train explosion in Baltimore ?

Posted by: McCool at September 13, 2013 11:40 AM (nCSwS)

75 Don't forget the Z guy is talking about the right wing milta and tea party people helping him.

That's our story.

Posted by: Janet Napolitano at September 13, 2013 11:40 AM (wR+pz)

76 Count me in the "As long as shit doesn't happen to me or anyone I care about (including the 'orde), I don't care, especially if the attacks occur in a blue state, 'cause we all spend enough on the national security complex to detect a mouse fart on the moon" group.

We're a small band, but we're on Yahoo!

You can buy a machete at Home Despot?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at September 13, 2013 11:41 AM (Ec6wH)

77 also how do our Betters ask us to allow our boarders to be a sieve yet explain How they are trying to protect us from Terrorists?

it's a sham.

Posted by: willow at September 13, 2013 11:41 AM (nqBYe)

78
This enemy only wants martyrdom or our submission to
their prophet, 8-year old brides, bacha bazi, and a herd of goats on
every sand dune. Fundamentally transforming the struggle....


Posted by: Cretin, moron isotopes becoming high-grade in thousands of cenrifuges at September 13, 2013 11:38 AM (tfSla)









AQ wants martyrdom? I don't have a problem with that, as long as it's on our terms. Martyrdom is overrated.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 13, 2013 11:41 AM (TIIx5)

79 @63 oh, don't worry, by the time the history books are written - if the US lasts that long - Obama will be on the same page as John Walker Lindh, if not Adam Gadahn.

Posted by: JEM at September 13, 2013 11:41 AM (o+SC1)

80 When I heard TFG taunt Assad with his "no way could he retaliate" statement, I wanted to vomit. Of course this just eggs on people like Zawahiri, who could pull off another 9/11 pretty easily. Just tell the brothers in the US to go out to the mall and start shooting!

Posted by: PJ at September 13, 2013 11:41 AM (ZWaLo)

81 68 And with the Mexican border wide open, there's no telling how many "lone wolfs" are already here.


I count three.

Posted by: the moon at September 13, 2013 11:41 AM (+KtKI)

82 72 America's weak spot is its economy LIV's

FIFY

Posted by: John Smith at September 13, 2013 11:41 AM (wR+pz)

83 borders* fcol, (sorry)!

Posted by: willow at September 13, 2013 11:42 AM (nqBYe)

84
The word that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up is Beslan.

I remain astonished that they haven't tried something like that here.

Posted by: Grey Fox at September 13, 2013 11:42 AM (8WcGj)

85 Just buy one item from a store, then go to another store to buy something else. And then another. Pay cash. Easy Peasy.

Posted by: Cornfed at September 13, 2013 11:42 AM (Hoy9u)

86 Now would be the appropriate time for Obama to pivot to gun control.

Posted by: Fritz at September 13, 2013 11:42 AM (UzPAd)

87 "Is there a point at which we have the National will to go all out on them?"

NO

Posted by: Magic 8 Ball at September 13, 2013 11:42 AM (4I3Uo)

88 Took 'em long enough to come up with this idea. They've been trying to go BIG for so long, they completely overlooked small.

Posted by: d_fitz at September 13, 2013 11:42 AM (enmeq)

89 47 It was in the US. Around the same time as the West explosion.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 11:33 AM (ZrcV/)

Propane explosion in Florida?
Posted by: grognard at September 13, 2013 11:35 AM (/29Nl)

Possibly, but that one doesn't ring a bell. Maybe I'll stop being lazy and look it up.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 11:43 AM (rpl5P)

90 I'm more worried about soft targets. A few whackjobs with backpack nukes in malls across teh country on Black Friday...

Posted by: MWR
..........
I worry very little about nukes. The amount of radiation they give off would set off at least one of the thousands of sensors they have put up along roadways, ports, etc.

Conventional explosives worry me a lot more, but of course it means smaller scale damage.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 13, 2013 11:43 AM (f9c2L)

91 How precious that he thinks Al Qaeda is hobbling the US. It's his allies in Syria, the Democrats (and D-Lites), that are the biggest threat we've ever faced.

Posted by: t-bird at September 13, 2013 11:43 AM (FcR7P)

92 63
Is it weird that my brain switched out Obama for Al-Qaeda? I guess
they're technically on the same side, since Bammy wants to (and is) help
out those Al-Qaeda types in Syria.




Well, certainly understandable. After all, Osama Obama. . .. Obama Osama . . . Osama Osama Obama . . . . the President has a strange foreign name

Posted by: Zombie Teddy Kennedy at September 13, 2013 11:44 AM (OZmbA)

93 would be perfectly able to spread their purchases out enough that no additional "sympathizers" are necessary

Yep. The small team has give up convenience/speed to get the same stuff a larger group could get in one day with little risk.

OTOH, making extended time another dimension in the acquisition plan does ADD some level of security as the job of anyone looking for purchase patterns/groupings just got exponentially harder.

If you were willing to take 3-6 months to "trickle in" your components, the job of detection is probably effectively impossible.


Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 11:44 AM (9MLX+)

94 Remember getting gas under cover of sheets during the sniper shit. Of course I had the 'couldn't happen to me attitude.'

And thanks to dumbshit Chief Moose my coworker and I ( white boy and palestinian peruvian) had our van searched thoroughly.

Really though, I don't know why they haven't done small scale stuff before. Htting smaller areas more frequently would have a much bigger impact.

Posted by: RWC - MΩRΩΠ LΔβΣ at September 13, 2013 11:44 AM (8+Ywh)

95 74 Baldi - 'It was in the US. Around the same time as the West explosion'

Train explosion in Baltimore ?
Posted by: McCool at September 13, 2013 11:40 AM (nCSwS)

Hmmm. It's amazing how many there have been in the last few years.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 11:45 AM (rpl5P)

96 Grey Fox, how anyone could say terrorists should be 'understood' as people that are enraged because 'unfairness" should look at Beslan.
The most heartless actions against innocence i'd ever personally witness'd in my lifetime .

fk terrorists and their grievance.
fk them.

Posted by: willow at September 13, 2013 11:45 AM (nqBYe)

97
And on this ever-so-cheerful note, I'm outta here to go do stuff.

Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 13, 2013 11:45 AM (0HooB)

98 The Federal response to a muzzie Beslan in the USA attack will be a ramped-up erosion of our civil rights and general liberty. The perps' peeps will sit back and laugh.

Posted by: Jaws at September 13, 2013 11:45 AM (4I3Uo)

99 Meanwhile...the President is the modern day incarnation of Machiavelli, says Andrew Sullivan:
"Vladimir Putin, Meet Niccolo Machiavelli"
I wonder if Feinstein would consider Sullivan a "journalist"? Probably


Posted by: ed gibbon at September 13, 2013 11:45 AM (4eNxd)

100 If you want to talk about vulnerabilities how about that area on the dirty side of airport security where everyone stacks up to get screened.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 13, 2013 11:45 AM (SzAZ7)

101 If one guy walks into Home Depot and checks out with plastic sheeting, some shovels, rope, duct tape, a cordless sawzall, a machete, some bags of lime, and a bunch of hefty bags, it might raise some eyebrows. If those kill kit components are spread out over 6 buyers, no flags would ever be raised.

Not if you live in or near Boulder Colorado.
http://tinyurl.com/mqouuaa

I live 4 miles east of Boulder. Biblical times, baby!

Posted by: jwb7605 (L.I.B.) at September 13, 2013 11:46 AM (Qxe/p)

102 41 Someone takes out 1 of the 2 bridges around DC the east coast is screwed.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 13, 2013 11:34 AM (L9Mr/)
---
Or tunnel. There are two in Baltimore.

Posted by: Gingy at September 13, 2013 11:46 AM (aH+zP)

103 If one guy walks into Home Depot and checks out with plastic sheeting, some shovels, rope, duct tape, a cordless sawzall, a machete, some bags of lime, and a bunch of hefty bags, it might raise some eyebrows.

Huh? Those seem like reasonable shopping habits. It's the purchase of an American flag, maybe an NRA membership, things like that that get our attention.

Posted by: The NSA, CIA, FBI, FEC, IRS, AP, NYT, WaPo, Google, and Facebook at September 13, 2013 11:47 AM (FcR7P)

104 You know the most depressing thing about the FML page? People agree with them.
Your life sucks 'cause you're a retard and you'll get no sympathy from me.

Speaking of sympathy: How come we're not blaming the CO flooding on global warming and blaming the people who live there?

You know, like they did with the TX wildfires? Or the OK tornadoes?

Hmm.

Oh, I know: The commies in Boulder are the good people. It's not their fault they want to live in the mountain valley, all up in nature. And floodplains.
Just like the turds in CA who build up in the foothills and we're supposed to care when--like clockwork--the annual fires burn their house down.
'Cause they're the good people and us Bible-thumping, sister-humping, toothless knuckle-draggers--well, we get what we deserve.

(It occurs to me I may not be in the bests of moods for a Friday.)

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 13, 2013 11:48 AM (VjL9S)

105 Well, if "Raw Muscle Glutes" knows anything, it's how to milk a story

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 13, 2013 11:48 AM (d7tB2)

106 BUT don't disconnect those Obama Phones or EBT cards.



I've always wondered what would happen if someone took out the server farms that replenish the cards and make the direct deposits.



Hopefully they're spread out over a couple different vendors, who do the
work from a couple different locations. With good backups. And most people live off a mix of state and federal programs.

Hrm, maybe easier to just take down some high school football games.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 13, 2013 11:48 AM (/kI1Q)

107 70
That's why the Beltway Snipers sniped instead of doing a Mumbai-style attack.
Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 11:40 AM (rpl5P)
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Malvo was trying to kill his ex-wife, and the other snipings were meant to cover it.

Posted by: Gingy at September 13, 2013 11:49 AM (aH+zP)

108 Someone takes out 1 of the 2 bridges around DC the east coast is screwed.

You mean because there'd still be a way out of DC? Yeah.

Posted by: t-bird at September 13, 2013 11:49 AM (FcR7P)

109 Is Mork OK?

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 13, 2013 11:49 AM (0axsw)

110 anyway i think Terrorists have less to do with the our or others recent financial destruction as Administrations and soros type groups playing with it has.

Posted by: willow at September 13, 2013 11:50 AM (nqBYe)

111 Well, at least the important things are being looked after.

That Washington football team's name that won't be mentioned. Next the KC football teams name. Then?
The MN teams name.

Posted by: The PC Poleese at September 13, 2013 11:50 AM (wR+pz)

112
Watch the documentary "3 Days in September" about the 2004 Beslan school massacre. Imagine several at the same time across the country.

This country would go insane.

Posted by: ExSnipe at September 13, 2013 11:51 AM (57ubW)

113 Dr. Camel Molester knows as much about bringing down our economy as da Zero knows about building it up. Nothing. I don't give a fat rat's ass what some flea bitten, ass scratching, child molester worshipping son of a shit eating dog says.

Posted by: maddogg at September 13, 2013 11:51 AM (xWW96)

114 >>Possibly, but that one doesn't ring a bell. Maybe I'll stop being lazy and look it up.

The attack hasn't come, yet, but nobody will ever convince me those Muslim engineering students were just sightseeing at the biggest water supply in MA in the middle of the night.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2013 11:51 AM (g1DWB)

115 Well, if "Raw Muscle Glutes" knows anything, it's how to milk a cock story.

Posted by: garrett at September 13, 2013 11:51 AM (KMbnZ)

116 @ 37... I spat out a mouthful of Schaefer's on the bar!
http://wondermark.com/961/
Al-zawahiri's theme song...

Posted by: Cretin, moron isotopes becoming high-grade in thousands of cenrifuges at September 13, 2013 11:51 AM (tfSla)

117 Man, depressing thread. Dark thoughts with Purp.

This stuff is why I've been saying for years and years that the end result is total 24/7 surveillance of every person and vehicle in America.

Every attack will just ratchet up the surveillance.

We already monitor every plane and train. US in the process of adding sensor/emitters to ever boat.

Next are big trucks. And ultimately every vehicle.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 11:52 AM (ZPrif)

118 It doesn't take a jihadi genius to purchase a bic lighter and start a wildfire either.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 13, 2013 11:52 AM (SzAZ7)

119 "Brad Thor - Full Black."

He and the late and deeply missed Vince Flynn spent some time helping the alphabet agencies brainstorm and wargame various terrorist scenarios in the last decade. I've always thought it was a good move to bring in creative outsiders to make sure the guys on the inside keep from getting blinkered. I sincerely doubt there's much of that going on under this administration.

Posted by: Jaws at September 13, 2013 11:52 AM (4I3Uo)

120 Yea but if you do it like when you have to go buy tampons for the wife and throw a pack of gum, a snickers bar and a flashlight, nobody will notice.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 13, 2013 11:52 AM (sUMBr)

121 The CO flooding is mainly the result of a sudden shift from a humid, hot, stormy summer into unseasonably cool temperatures, so blaming global warming doesn't pass the laugh test.

But I'll say this as a resident of this city - you're partly right. People shouldn't be living on parts of the mountain they shouldn't. And people shouldn't be living on floodplains. And the flood control around here could definitely be better; Boulder's city council is worse than useless.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 13, 2013 11:52 AM (d7tB2)

122 I was working in DC during the sniper terror, and I was a white guy in a white van. I got harassed nonstop. PROFILED!

That city was completely terrorized, and the cops kept getting on TV saying "this is not terrorist related" ?!?! Really Roscoe?

Newtown punk wasn't trained, imagine 2 well trained jihadis at a crowded event.

When the whole country goes on lockdown, there terrorists WIN.

Posted by: TimmaY at September 13, 2013 11:52 AM (5etyr)

123
Meanwhile...the President is the modern day incarnation of Machiavelli, says Andrew Sullivan:
"Vladimir Putin, Meet Niccolo Machiavelli"
I wonder if Feinstein would consider Sullivan a "journalist"? Probably




Posted by: ed gibbon at September 13, 2013 11:45 AM (4eNxd)







Nickki Mac was thrown out of office by the Medici when the Florentine Republic collapsed, arrested for treason, tortured for a month (strappado, same method that destroyed McCain's shoulders), and exiled to his farm for years.

Is Sully REALLY sure he wants to make that comparison? The Secret Service might be interested in this.......

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 13, 2013 11:53 AM (TIIx5)

124
Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 11:44 AM (9MLX+)

Still harder if you provide even a small amount of cover for those purchases.
Buying duck tape plastic sheeting, a sawzall, some paint and drywall repair materials?
DIY home improvement.
Even if you come back later for Shovels, limeand a Machete: DIY landscaping.
If you have a fixer upper house, it even seems less suspicious.

Posted by: tsrblke at September 13, 2013 11:53 AM (GaqMa)

125 The attack hasn't come, yet, but nobody will ever
convince me those Muslim engineering students were just sightseeing at
the biggest water supply in MA in the middle of the night.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2013 11:51 AM (g1DWB)

This.
There's also a Muslim "camp" in the Catskills. Near Hancock, NY if I'm not mistaken. Awfully close to the feeders to the NYC water supply. Awfully close.

Posted by: grognard at September 13, 2013 11:53 AM (/29Nl)

126 @72 - I realized the world I lived in had changed in fundamental and uncomfortable ways when I saw all the teary-eyed hand-wringing over Princess Diana's death. I mean, Charles was already an airhead, but she never struck me as a particularly sympathetic character and all the maudlin nonsense over her demise just left me cold.

And, to some extent, I experienced the same reaction to 9/11. Maybe this is the wrong time to say it, but they'd been at bat for a decade, they'd swung and missed a bunch of times, they'd hit the umpire in the nuts with a foul down the baseline with the first WTC bombing, it should have been NO surprise that they'd try again. They knocked us on our butt, but it wasn't even close to fatal.

Instead, we got all this tearful surprise and the hokum about 'why do they hate us?' and 'religion of peace' and similar bullshit. Frankly, I found it an embarrassing distraction and George W Bush was as much to blame for that as anyone.

Maybe I'm just a really nasty evil unsentimental guy.

Posted by: JEM at September 13, 2013 11:54 AM (o+SC1)

127 Pay cash, use small mom and pops....

Posted by: sven10077 at September 13, 2013 11:54 AM (9jfyN)

128 The rise of toll roads and "congestion pricing" will speed this along. Toll roads in America must, by law, have national interoperability by 2016. A single transceiver window sticker that works nationwide.

Tolls are moving to AET- all electronic tolling. These will record the movements of every car and truck.

The fuel tax system for funding roads is broken and, slowly, being replaces with tolls. It will get increasingly difficult to move about a major metro area without using toll roads.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 11:54 AM (ZPrif)

129 KAOS is a non-commercial community/college
radio station broadcasting from the Evergreen State College in Olympia,
WA. Tune in on 89.3 FM.
-----------
Fitting that it's a bunch of marxists with that call sign.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 13, 2013 11:54 AM (VjL9S)

130 If they start coming after us in small "lone wolf" teams, you're going to see 100 million citizens carrying to protect themselves and their families. How long will a lone wolf attack last if everyone mall opens fire?

Ok, maybe that's a bad example...

Posted by: Tom at September 13, 2013 11:55 AM (+zVUF)

131 I remain astonished that they haven't tried something like that here.

It would be the end of the public school system as we now know it. I read an article at Breitbart during the summer that for every ONE child entering the public school system SEVEN are now finding alternatives like home school, private school, religious school, etc.

The public school shooting in Connecticut last year put a lot of fear in parents hearts. But will this country ever have school choice? No, proles, your only choice is to murder your fetus -- *that* we approve of.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 13, 2013 11:55 AM (U2UQk)

132
KAOS is a non-commercial community/college

radio station broadcasting from the Evergreen State College in Olympia,

WA. Tune in on 89.3 FM.

***

Do they have anarachaqueer DJs?

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 13, 2013 11:56 AM (Hx5uv)

133 Truck bomb goes off in the middle of 95 rush hour traffic would have a huge impact. No way to stop it without grinding the are down to a halt.

Posted by: RWC - MΩRΩΠ LΔβΣ at September 13, 2013 11:56 AM (NLTDQ)

134 Up here in the frozen north, where a trip to the coop for that special dried sea vegetable may have you rubbing shoulders with an actual mad bomber like Sara Jane Olson, some of us notice things like the kerfuffle instigated by Anna Shireman-Grabowski.
And wonder... what else is she up to? If you could just get the deacons of her church to ask for a half hour of her time, maybe they could try to reason with her before she gets herself into real trouble....

Posted by: Cretin, moron isotopes becoming high-grade in thousands of cenrifuges at September 13, 2013 11:56 AM (tfSla)

135 120 Yea but if you do it like when you have to go buy tampons for the wife and throw a pack of gum skittles, a snickers bar bottle of Robitussin and a flashlight Watermelon tea, nobody will notice.

FIFY

Posted by: John Smith at September 13, 2013 11:56 AM (wR+pz)

136 Networked, cell-based structures comprised of 5-10 people in each cell are vastly more effective for a number of reasons, with one of the biggest reasons being diversity of skillsets and corresponding higher degrees of specialization among the various individuals in the cell. Another reason is leadership, or the lack thereof in a one or two-man unit. We're not talking about an army of James Bonds here. It takes enormous resources to train one man or woman in the various areas of expertise necessary to cause large-scale, serious damage. Such an operative would require certain qualities I'm betting are sorely lacking in Al Quaeda's personnel pool: initiative, intellect, resourcefulness, an ability to blend in, and a cool head under pressure.

True enough, one dedicated maniac can shoot or blow up a number of people in a sudden spasm of violence. What he cannot do is stay free and alive for very long afterwards. He cannot go after hard-to-penetrate, high-security infrastructuretargets, as a general rule. The economic impact of his best efforts would be, in all likelihood, negligible at best. Al Qaeda leadership must know this.

So yeah: misdirection. Al Qaeda, unlike our idiotic federal government, has no driving need to broadcast to the world their actual operational methodology. Theyprobably have sleeper cells in place throughout the US and want to draw attention from the fact they have sleeper cells in place throughout the US, so they publicly announce and promote the implementation ofa lone-wolf strategy. That's what I would do if I was an evil rat bastard terrorist leader.

Posted by: troyriser at September 13, 2013 11:57 AM (2jF2B)

137 If one guy walks into Home Depot and checks out with plastic sheeting, some shovels, rope, duct tape, a cordless sawzall, a machete, some bags of lime, and a bunch of hefty bags,


Do a courtesy check on his wife.
Morning all.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 13, 2013 11:57 AM (8D0/R)

138 If one guy walks into Home Depot and checks out with plastic sheeting, some shovels, rope, duct tape, a cordless sawzall, a machete, some bags of lime, and a bunch of hefty bags, it might raise some eyebrows.

note to self...plan multiple shopping trips

Posted by: brak at September 13, 2013 11:57 AM (M2qTM)

139 Churches, malls, theaters.....target rich and totally undefended. One savage with a gun and lots of ammo could do a shit load of damage.

My dad and I have been talking about this for years.

That would be true terror.

Savages start walking into those places and opening fire. People would be scared shitless. Especially if it was all over the place and not just in big cities.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 13, 2013 11:57 AM (da5Wo)

140 But faster than toll roads is aerial surveillance. The same tech that monitors cities in Iraq and Afghanistan for car bombs will be used to monitor American cities.

Drones overhead could do it. More cameras on cell towers.

Cheapest is possible aerostats. You just need a cheap way to get the camera as high as possible so you can cover as much of the city in one shot as possible.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 11:58 AM (ZPrif)

141 It will get increasingly difficult to move about a major metro area without using toll roads.

Houston was already there a decade ago, at least from where I sat at the corner of Westpark and the beltway 8. (No, not panhandling...)

If I wanted to go anywhere important in Houston, or just to *bypass* Houston, that meant tolls.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 13, 2013 11:58 AM (d7tB2)

142 That's why the Beltway Snipers sniped instead of doing a Mumbai-style attack.
Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 11:40 AM (rpl5P)
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Malvo was trying to kill his ex-wife, and the other snipings were meant to cover it.
Posted by: Gingy at September 13, 2013 11:49 AM (aH+zP)

Did not know that. (You mean Muhammad, of course.)

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 11:58 AM (xoPDv)

143 imagine 2 well trained jihadis at a crowded event

Imagine ONE jihadi who slits the throat of one random customer in a mall parking lot, then moves on to the next town like a ghost.

Every mall in America would be a ghost town within a month.

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 11:59 AM (9MLX+)

144 If they start coming after us in small "lone wolf" teams, you're going to see 100 million citizens carrying to protect themselves and their families.

But they won't attack malls in Texas or Oklahoma or Wyoming.

They'll attack malls in New York and Illinois and California.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 11:59 AM (/PCJa)

145 And every year the sensors and chips needed to gather and analyze vast troves of data get cheaper and cheaper.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:00 PM (ZPrif)

146 You know, if we were to nuke the shit out of some of the terrorist supporting countries the rest would fall in line and we wouldn't have to put up with all this fucking bullshit in the first place. You got mosquitos? Think its best to swat at the ones buzzing around your head? You attack the source once and for all if you want progress. All this fucking around is just plain stupid.

Posted by: maddogg at September 13, 2013 12:00 PM (xWW96)

147 Churches, malls, theaters.....target rich and totally undefended. One savage with a gun and lots of ammo could do a shit load of damage.

Did I mention my church has nearly a 50% concealed carry rate?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 12:00 PM (/PCJa)

148 The economic impact of his best efforts would be, in all likelihood, negligible at best. Al Qaeda leadership must know this.




Posted by: troyriser at September 13, 2013 11:57 AM (2jF2B)

Really, that was not the lesson of Boston bombing. They locked down the city for days and they weren't even very serious about what they were doing, I mean they went to a frigging party afterwards.

Posted by: KG at September 13, 2013 12:00 PM (p7BzH)

149 It was in the US. Around the same time as the West explosion.>>

The Fertilizer plant explosion in West Texas?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 13, 2013 12:00 PM (wrS2o)

150 Joncelli Baldilocks reminded me of this article by Bob Owens ... I'm about 20 miles from where this went down.

The TLDR version is this ... multiple power transformers were shot from inside the power station and further down the highway a main 911 trunk line was cut.

Vandalism my ass.

Posted by: 3% at September 13, 2013 12:00 PM (0F6Sg)

151 139 Churches, malls, theaters.....target rich and totally undefended. One savage with a gun and lots of ammo could do a shit load of damage.

My dad and I have been talking about this for years.

That would be true terror.

Savages start walking into those places and opening fire. People would be scared shitless. Especially if it was all over the place and not just in big cities.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 13, 2013 11:57 AM (da5Wo)

The ushers in my church are all strapped.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 12:00 PM (xoPDv)

152 Let's suppose that "lone wolf" attacks occur and that their perpetrators are eventually apprehended / eliminated and found to be jihadists. What then? Do we "meh" it and continue on with our lives or do we summon the political will to turn our military loose to kill people and break stuff? I mean for real this time, with none of the comforting nanny rebuilding garbage afterwards.

I fear we just retreat into a cocoon. Read "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire". It's prophetic.

Posted by: Chuck at September 13, 2013 12:01 PM (+BqEV)

153 136 Networked, cell-based structures comprised of 5-10 people in each cell are vastly more effective for a number of reasons

You mean like this group?

http://tinyurl.com/lhywcz

Posted by: John Smith at September 13, 2013 12:01 PM (wR+pz)

154 the importance of so-called "lone-wolf", or small-scale attacks as part of al-Qaeda's strategy.

In other words, "unbelievably small" attacks? Interesting.

Posted by: t-bird at September 13, 2013 12:01 PM (FcR7P)

155 Watch the documentary "3 Days in September" about the 2004 Beslan school
massacre. Imagine several at the same time across the country.

***

I'm waiting for The Gas of August in which President Gutsycall forces Assad and Putin tio the bargaining table by threatening the use of force. It'll be like Thirteen Days except more exciting and heroic.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 13, 2013 12:01 PM (Hx5uv)

156 Martyrdom.
Martyrdom.
Martyrdom.
Are you people getting this?
They love death the way we love life.

Posted by: Cretin, moron isotopes becoming high-grade in thousands of cenrifuges at September 13, 2013 12:01 PM (tfSla)

157 "26
10 I keep waiting for infrastructure attacks -- identify and destroy
some crucial electricity or petroleum nodes and we are deeply,
profoundly screwed.

Posted by: joncelli at September 13, 2013 11:28 AM (RD7QR)



BP explosion and spill

West, Texas



There was another one. Help me out.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 11:31 AM (ZrcV/)"

That explosion and oil leak was a result of criminal level incompetence and ignoring of safety requirements. That being said, what followed was a spectacular level of what I thought at the time was government incompetence but when viewed in combination with "Fast and Furious" and the recent attempt to go to war in Syria based on the use of nerve gas that nobody has so far been able to trace to the Assad regime, looks like government malfeasance.

The federal government did nothing to stop the flow of oil reaching the wetlands along the Gulf Coast and they frequently reached out to stop, hinder or delay anybody who tried.


There were the skimmers from Holland that could take in oil contaminated water and remove 99% of the oil. First the Obama administration would not let them operate because the crews were foreigners and that would violate labor laws. Finally when US crews were trained up, they would not let them operate as designed because sucking in oil contaminated water, removing 99% of the oil and returning the cleaned water was a violation of EPA regulations because that would be pumping out contaminated water into the Gulf, despite the fact that it was much cleaner than it had been. This meant that the boats had to fill up their tanks with a combination of water and oil and spend most of their time sailing back and forth between shore and the spill site.

When the Governor of Louisiana put together a fleet of barges with large tanks to hold the oil and water with pumps, the Coast Guard demanded that they all return to shore for a week of inspections to make sure that they complied with various regulations.

When towns and counties spent their own money to buy booms to protect their beaches and wetlands from oil, the federal government confiscated the floating booms and moved them elsewhere to places where the oil never threatened the shore. When attempts were made to build temporary sand dikes to prevent the oil from contaminating wetlands, the EPA stopped construction because those wetlands ordinarily depend on being flushed by the salt water from the Gulf. Of course, once the oil reached the wetlands, it pretty much did not matter whether the ecosystem was flushed or not because most of the plants and animals were dead.

And that contamination of the coastal wetlands was the goal of the whole Obama performance. Once the oil reached the shore, Obama ended new drilling and exploration in the Gulf of Mexico at the cost of 100,000 jobs and gasoline prices that are now twice what they were when he took office. The rigs are gone to Brazil and Africa, the jobs are gone. People have moved on to do other things now instead of providing you with affordable fuel.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 13, 2013 12:01 PM (31Nrp)

158 But they won't attack malls in Texas or Oklahoma or Wyoming.

They'll attack malls in New York and Illinois and California.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 11:59 AM (/PCJa)



Sure they will. They just won't walk into a place. Cruise through the mall/Best Buy parking lot on Black Friday. Cruise through a church parking lot just as its letting out.

It's not hard to indiscriminately kill a fairly large number of people AND get away from the scene.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 13, 2013 12:01 PM (da5Wo)

159 147 Churches, malls, theaters.....target rich and totally undefended. One savage with a gun and lots of ammo could do a shit load of damage.

Did I mention my church has nearly a 50% concealed carry rate?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 12:00 PM (/PCJa)

Praise The Lord and pass the ammo.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 12:02 PM (xoPDv)

160 Of course if the mall/shopping centers come to pass the conspiracy theories would be interesting.

'Jeff Bezos and Big Amazon'

'online retailers!'

Posted by: RWC - MΩRΩΠ LΔβΣ at September 13, 2013 12:02 PM (NLTDQ)

161 Do you seriously think the Camel fuckers wouldn't drop a nuke on us if they get one?

Posted by: maddogg at September 13, 2013 12:02 PM (xWW96)

162 Imagine ONE jihadi who slits the throat of one random customer in a mall parking lot, then moves on to the next town like a ghost.

Every mall in America would be a ghost town within a month.


You'd need more than just one or it will get chalked up to a lone, random event.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 13, 2013 12:03 PM (8D0/R)

163 Anyway, you want chaos, you want riots, you want destruction?

EBT cards.

Fake ones dropped in the right neighborhood.
When swiped, sends the reader into a continuous verification loop.
A few thousand of those on the 1st and you've lit an explosive tinderbox.
'Cause now their real card won't work either . . . .

What about this? Those false/do not match swipes have to go into a database, right?
What if you could insert bits of code with each swipe and, after enough, there's a full-blown virus in the data base?

Where's the processing center(s) for the EBT?
What if the trunk line was cut? Fiber optics is fragile and takes time to fix.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 13, 2013 12:03 PM (VjL9S)

164 "30
I've honestly been shocked that we haven't yet been the victims of a
Mumbai style small unit attack. Can you imagine the chaosif say half a
dozen teams of twoshooters each attacked alarge mall in 6 major
metropolitan area? I mean, two trained shooters with rifles, pistols,
and body armor could do a lot of damage before they were stopped. And
scrounging up a dozen rifles, vests, and a few thousand rounds of
ammunition would be child's play. Can you imagine the economic hit if
120 people were killed, spread overmallsin Boston, New York, Chicago,
San Franciso, Miami, and Atlanta; perhaps say, on Black Friday, when
stores are already packed practically shoulder to shoulder. Not to
mention the chaos if it happened AGAIN the next week. Stores would
shutter for weeks. That's the kind of thing that keeps me up late at
night. And it would cost less than a quarter million dollars to execute.

Posted by: Amichel at September 13, 2013 11:32 AM (ceoOP)"

But it would be great for Amazon stock.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 13, 2013 12:03 PM (31Nrp)

165 OTOH, the more terrorist activity there is, the more economically allowable it becomes to ramp up the amount of military action we take against their likely locations overseas.

Pushed hard enough, we can easily revert to an earlier attitude about war and what level of casualties is appropriate to inflict to create a victory. Imagine the Romans with our technology. Does your city harbor our enemies? You don't get to have a city anymore.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 13, 2013 12:03 PM (kcfmt)

166 But detecting ever more subtle variations in behavior is why the State will impose ever greater surveillance. And why a fearful citizenry will insist they do.

Automated analysis of cell phones, home phones, internet usage, vehicle traffic, traffic in and out of a residence .. these all can detect behavior patterns outside the norm.

Massive surveillance -- cameras everywhere, recording everything, supercomputers crunching it all to detect anomalies -- is the only way to detect and stop lone wolves before they act.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:04 PM (ZPrif)

167 Purp,

A full-auto sear for an AR-15, 10 30-round magazines, a few bike locks to secure the doors of an auditorium, mini-mall, theater, etc, multiplied by 20, and they could kill hundreds of Americans each week.

There is only one defense for this, and it was addressed in 1791 by a bunch of old White guys.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 13, 2013 12:04 PM (gqgiP)

168 And again folks, the fact that people in your church or mall are carrying is great, but it doesn't stop the slaughter. It reduces it. These fuckers don't care if they die during the commission of the act.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 13, 2013 12:04 PM (da5Wo)

169 The economic impact of his best efforts would be, in all likelihood, negligible at best.

What the economic impact of every mall in America becoming a ghost town?

What if dead bodies with slit throats start turning up in office building bathrooms?

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 12:04 PM (9MLX+)

170 If one guy walks into Home Depot and checks out with plastic sheeting,
some shovels, rope, duct tape, a cordless sawzall, a machete, some bags
of lime, and a bunch of hefty bags, it might raise some eyebrows. If those kill kit components are spread out over 6 buyers, no flags would ever be raised.


Thanks. I have been looking for a good Benghazi shopping list.

Posted by: Hussein Clown Posse at September 13, 2013 12:04 PM (Kkt/i)

171 150 Joncelli Baldilocks reminded me of this article by Bob Owens ... I'm about 20 miles from where this went down.

The TLDR version is this ... multiple power transformers were shot from inside the power station and further down the highway a main 911 trunk line was cut.

Vandalism my ass.
Posted by: 3% at September 13, 2013 12:00 PM (0F6Sg)

Yes. And the significance of your nick is noted.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 12:04 PM (xoPDv)

172 Did I mention my church has nearly a 50% concealed carry rate?

I don't know what the rate is in my church, but I know that they don't seem to have a problem with conceal carry in the church building (it's not posted as no weapons).

Posted by: GMan at September 13, 2013 12:04 PM (sxq57)

173
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 11:59 AM (/PCJa)

These are also major media markets. Besides being victim disarmament zones.

Posted by: rd at September 13, 2013 12:05 PM (D+lxs)

174 "If they start coming after us in small "lone wolf" teams, you're
going to see 100 million citizens carrying to protect themselves and
their families."

It's a shame it'd take that for men and women to finally realize that need.

The muz and FSA threats already exist.

Get trained.
Carry the damn thing.
Everywhere you can.

Posted by: Jaws at September 13, 2013 12:05 PM (4I3Uo)

175 127 --- Yes.

I was thinking about the way the Left constantly indulges in slander by (implicitly or explicitly) accusing Americans of being "Islamophobic."
They killed 3000 of us and there were no riots, no pogroms. Just a tiny handful of incidents in a nation of 300+ million.
And I thought we should be very proud of that.

Then a dark thought crossed my mind. Maybe there's something wrong with us too.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 13, 2013 12:05 PM (C8mVl)

176 But they won't attack malls in Texas or Oklahoma or Wyoming. They'll attack malls in New York and Illinois and California.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 11:59 AM (/PCJa)


I think they'll attack anywhere they gosh darn please, personally. They'll go full martyr, strap on a suicide vest, and go KABLOOEY. Doesn't matter how many concealed carriers there are in the area when the dickwad terrorist isn't planning on living through the experience.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 12:05 PM (4df7R)

177 (Oops ... tried to get fancy with links)

Joncelli Baldilocks reminded me of this article by Bob Owens ... I'm about 20 miles from where this went down.

The
TLDR version is this ... multiple power transformers were shot from
*inside* the power station and further down the highway a main 911 trunk
line was cut. Vandalism my ass.

http://tinyurl.com/kll43wj

Posted by: 3% at September 13, 2013 12:05 PM (0F6Sg)

178 @163

Each state processes their own EBT cards or whatever they call them so it would only spread to one area. Each states cards are different.

Having said that NYC, Watts, Boston and Southside Chicago might riot like hell if their cards didn't work.

Posted by: John Smith at September 13, 2013 12:05 PM (wR+pz)

179 If one guy walks into Home Depot and checks out with plastic sheeting, some shovels, rope, duct tape, a cordless sawzall, a machete, some bags of lime, and a bunch of hefty bags

After seeing it mentioned on Justified, I once looked up whether lime actually does what Hollywood thinks it does (hello, NSA!). Apparently, if you're buying it to dissolve a corpse, you're shit out of luck. It can actually help preserve the body.

So the Internet tells me, anyway.

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 13, 2013 12:06 PM (uYaYO)

180 Any continued series of lone wolf attacks would result in the previously feared and unrealized backlash against our muslim population. I would hope that the American-muslim community would realize this and continue to inform on the radical elements as they have in the past.

Posted by: polynikes at September 13, 2013 12:06 PM (m2CN7)

181 A few cameras could cover an apartment complex and quickly build an automated model of every single resident and their patterns of behavior.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:06 PM (ZPrif)

182 How about the Atlanta Baseball sports franchise, or the Cleveland Baseball Sports franchise? I am offended by the TampaFootball Franchise's name... and the Pittsburgh Professional Baseballers nick name. Offended to the core.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 13, 2013 12:06 PM (32Ze2)

183 Watch the documentary "3 Days in September" about the 2004 Beslan school
massacre. Imagine several at the same time across the country.

This country would go insane.

***

Obama would demand more gun control and more protection to prevent Muslim profiling.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 13, 2013 12:06 PM (Hx5uv)

184 2
Sawzall is too messy. Best to use a hand saw.

Posted by: garrett at September 13, 2013 11:26 AM (KMbnZ)

Go with the axe. Good old fashioned cardio workout. 2 birds 1 stone is all I'm sayin'

Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2013 12:06 PM (x3YFz)

185
Because no single jihadist would ever think of making several trips on different days to different home improvement stores.

Posted by: Dave H at September 13, 2013 12:07 PM (k85z0)

186 Imagine ONE jihadi who slits the throat of one random customer in a mall parking lot, then moves on to the next town like a ghost. Every mall in America would be a ghost town within a month. You'd need more than just one or it will get chalked up to a lone, random event.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 13, 2013 12:03 PM (8D0/R)


I think the original commenter was implying that the throat-slitter would pick random victims at multiple locations and disappear after each one.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 12:07 PM (4df7R)

187 Praise The Lord and pass the ammo.


It's not just a bumper sticker anymore.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 13, 2013 12:07 PM (8D0/R)

188 I once did a blog post titled "Think Small" about how the true believers will be the ones to overcome ego in order to accomplish their real goal of terror. And, when they figure out that it isn't attacks in NY and DC that send terror cursing through the veins of the vast majority of Americans.... when they start launching attacks in Boise, Nashville, Green Bay, or Savannah, people will know that the danger isn't over there, more than 1000 miles away from them.

A few men with automatic weapons sweeping through a small town as people sleep...

Destroying the water supply for a remote town...

Attacking a school in the Heartland...

Then we will know fear.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 13, 2013 12:07 PM (DmNpO)

189 But they won't attack malls in Texas or Oklahoma or Wyoming.

They'll attack malls in New York and Illinois and California.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 11:59 AM (/PCJa)

~

They'd stay away from gun-free zones though because terrorists are nothing if not rule followers.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 13, 2013 12:07 PM (SzAZ7)

190 168 And again folks, the fact that people in your church or mall are carrying is great, but it doesn't stop the slaughter. It reduces it. These fuckers don't care if they die during the commission of the act.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 13, 2013 12:04 PM (da5Wo)

In this world, there is never a perfect solution. Remember that crazed shooting in Seattle? Two or three were killed instead of 20+. The shooter was stopped by an concealed carrier.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 12:07 PM (3A7PP)

191 I agree that a Mumbai-style attack in multiple locations, or just one totally undefended one, is probably high on the terrorist wish list. I am a little surprised it hasn't happened yet.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 13, 2013 12:08 PM (ZshNr)

192 You have to show ID to buy fertilizer now in any quality.

That after OK City.

Lime is worthless, Ammonia nitrate and diesel fuel is what you need.

Posted by: John Smith at September 13, 2013 12:08 PM (wR+pz)

193
After seeing it mentioned on Justified, I once
looked up whether lime actually does what Hollywood thinks it does
(hello, NSA!). Apparently, if you're buying it to dissolve a corpse,
you're shit out of luck. It can actually help preserve the body.

So the Internet tells me, anyway.


Posted by: Waterhouse at September 13, 2013 12:06 PM (uYaYO)

You need to watch more Breaking Bad.

Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2013 12:08 PM (x3YFz)

194 Imagine the Romans with our technology. Does your city harbor our enemies? You don't get to have a city anymore.

I'm afraid you're correct. If you identify a religion that needs to go away forever -- that instills hatred, kills women and children indiscriminately, you make the headquarters, the holiest sites de-atomize.

'Gods will' m-fers.

Posted by: East Coaster at September 13, 2013 12:08 PM (U2UQk)

195 Saint Vlad the Impaler had a cure for the mohamedan problem.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 13, 2013 12:08 PM (0axsw)

196 they could kill hundreds of Americans each week.

Twenty teams crisscrossing the country doing random murders in Anytown USA could do that too and risk far less exposure.

If the teams made small scale infrastructure strikes rather than personel, they could go for decades and never get caught. Dropping the big power transmission towers is easy. They're largely unguarded, and in the more remote areas you'd have at least a half hour to work before there could be any possible response even if there was intrusion detection.

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 12:09 PM (9MLX+)

197 #162

They don't call them serial killers until enough corpses are found to make it clear a pattern exists. It is believed that the most successful serial killers are truck drivers who have a perfectly legit reason to rove around the major interstate routes. A terrorist cell could emulate this.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 13, 2013 12:09 PM (kcfmt)

198 After seeing it mentioned on Justified, I once looked up whether lime actually does what Hollywood thinks it does (hello, NSA!). Apparently, if you're buying it to dissolve a corpse, you're shit out of luck. It can actually help preserve the body.

IIRC, you need quicklime, not lime. A number of would-be killers have been caught that way.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 13, 2013 12:09 PM (zF6Iw)

199 I don't know what the rate is in my church, but I know that they don't seem to have a problem with conceal carry in the church building (it's not posted as no weapons).
Posted by: GMan at September 13, 2013 12:04 PM (sxq57)

I've started taking my chances and carry everywhere regardless of posted signs. Only place I don't carry is where there are metal detectors.

Posted by: polynikes at September 13, 2013 12:09 PM (m2CN7)

200 >>But they won't attack malls in Texas or Oklahoma or Wyoming.

>>They'll attack malls in New York and Illinois and California.

Why wouldn't they attack wherever they want? The real jihadis don't give a shit about getting away, they believe in martyrdom.

You give way too much credit to concealed carry states. You can sneak a bomb into a movie theater or mall or any large public gathering area every bit as easy in Texas as you can in NYC.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2013 12:09 PM (g1DWB)

201 And again folks, the fact that people in your church or mall are
carrying is great, but it doesn't stop the slaughter. It reduces it.
These fuckers don't care if they die during the commission of the act.

Good enough. Do your part anyway.




Posted by: Jaws at September 13, 2013 12:09 PM (4I3Uo)

202 In this world, there is never a perfect solution. Remember that crazed shooting in Seattle? Two or three were killed instead of 20+. The shooter was stopped by an concealed carrier.
Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 12:07 PM (3A7PP)



Agreed. I think people should carry for exactly the reason you just said. I've taken the class and now I need to go fill out the forms so I can carry. And the number 1 reason I did it was church. Hell, the class was at the church.

But I'm not talking about how many they kill, I'm talking about inflicting terror. If the savages start attacking churches and malls and hospitals and all those type places, it won't matter how many they kill. The fear will be real and it will be felt.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 13, 2013 12:10 PM (da5Wo)

203 Obama would demand more gun control and more protection to prevent Muslim profiling.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 13, 2013 12:06 PM (Hx5uv)

Ha, Ha, Ha....

Oh, wait....you are correct.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 13, 2013 12:10 PM (gqgiP)

204 They'd stay away from gun-free zones though because terrorists are nothing if not rule followers.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 13, 2013 12:07 PM (SzAZ7)

Heh... pull an AK in a mall in my county and holler "ALLAH SNACKBAR!"
You'll be swiss cheese in under 10 seconds and be lucky to not have been arm barred and grenaded.

Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2013 12:11 PM (x3YFz)

205
Oh, fuck the Romans! They didn't even make good Italian food back then!

Posted by: Victor/Victoria at September 13, 2013 12:11 PM (WdWRd)

206 @157 My foil hat (finest 0.8 mils) was just back from the cleaners, where they'd used the latest dry ice blast cleaning on it (you shoulda seen it!), when that Gulf rig went up. I was absolutely convinced that some guy in a sea kayak had done it.
Profile: Obviously physically fit, cocky and a favorite with a certain type of female, not going steady with one of them, involved with some movement tangential to the environmental one, accomplished in an endurance sport that is not sea kayaking, not stupid, not from the Gulfcoast, arrived withing the last year....

Posted by: Cretin, moron isotopes becoming high-grade in thousands of cenrifuges at September 13, 2013 12:11 PM (tfSla)

207 You have to show ID to buy fertilizer now in any quality.

Patience is a virtue

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 12:11 PM (9MLX+)

208 The economic impact of his best efforts would be, in all likelihood, negligible at best. Al Qaeda leadership must know
Posted by: troyriser at September 13, 2013 11:57 AM (2jF2B)


I like your optimism, but I think you are overlooking the extreme vulnerability of the industrial supply chain. Many parts that go into making cars, for example, are sole sourced and made with one machine or die. Destroy that one tool and Toyota can't make at least one car line for weeks. Factories making many of these components have zero security in place. Those plants with security on site do not pay guys enough to shoot it out with Ahkmed. This is just one example. How hard would it be to get a job at a food production facility? Not very. Others come to mind. Panic and disruption are not so difficult to cause, especially when dying in the attempt is a feature and not a bug.

Posted by: Reactionary at September 13, 2013 12:11 PM (DiLaT)

209 A single terrorist could fake lynchings and our cities would burn from the inside. With the assistance of the race hustlers, of course.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 13, 2013 12:11 PM (SzAZ7)

210 Great let's spread the word around..and come up with groovy ways to attack us. I so enjoyed listening to all the clever brainstorming after 9/11.

Posted by: Lady Billingsgate at September 13, 2013 12:11 PM (GdalM)

211 I think the purpose of lime is to mask the putrid smell of decomposition. I think that's how John Wayne Gacy(sp?) was able to have something like 20 plus bodies under his house without neighbors catching on.

Posted by: East Coaster at September 13, 2013 12:11 PM (U2UQk)

212 Does your city harbor our enemies?

***

I see California is going to start issuing drivers licenses illegal undocumented aliens pre-citizens.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (Hx5uv)

213 Is Sully REALLY sure he wants to make that comparison? The Secret Service might be interested in this.......


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 13, 2013 11:53 AM (TIIx5)
Tee hee, yes
They will be as "interested" as the DC police were with David Gregory and his 30-round magazine

Posted by: ed gibbon at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (4eNxd)

214 Arab Fall! - BHO Estate Department release

Posted by: Geehad has a long mustache: the seal goes ow ow ow at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (6xhLc)

215 If you read Bin Laden's own writings, he understood that no outside group could ever destroy the 'Great Satan'... but that the US could be forced to destroy itself.

Americawas exceptional because it gave its citizens the Freedom to create.. to build... to innovate. It had a set of rules in place which kept the Government from interfering in most things.

That, is gone. Fear has been used as the excuse to fundamentally change the dynamic from one of Freedom, to one of control.

Fear of Environmental damage? EPA Regulations which kill any chance of using our own resources.

Fear of Drugs? War on drugs which led to the Militarization of the Police, no knock Raids, Seizure of Property...

Fear of legal Action? We can't even choose who we will do business with anymore... or who we can fire...

And Fear of Terrorism... which has led to searching everyone at Airports (which has caught no one)... and the US Government actively spying on every one of its own citizens...

The dream that is the US.... what made it an exceptional place... is not being destroyed by anything from the outside... but from Fear...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (lZBBB)

216

Dropping the big power transmission towers is easy. They're largely unguarded, and in the more remote areas you'd have at least a half hour to work before there could be any possible response even if there was intrusion detection.

Sir, it sounds like you've thought about this a little too much. Your brain is now classified, and you are not allowed to access it without security clearance.

Posted by: Some Three Letter Agency at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (L9AnB)

217 And I'm sure these "lone wolves" will use cell phones with lengthy contracts in their real names and email addresses that can easily identify them.

Meanwhile, all the people that play by the rules and have nothing to do with terrorism get to be snooped on every day.

Posted by: McAdams at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (Ujm0h)

218 Right, armed civilians are a good thing and would limit the damage -- but only after the fact.

Surveillance is the only way to detect and stop them before hand. Right now we stop groups because we intercept their comms.

But if they don't communicate you can't detect that. You can only surveil everybody and look for anomalous behavior. And that's what I predict the government will do.

We have computers analyze flight patterns to detect anomalies. Couple times I've had to fly on short notice, one way, with no checked baggage. Each time I've been pulled aside for more detailed searches by the TSA. I presume I got flagged by the system.

That will just be extended to wider and wider aspects of life. If you have an unusual pattern of driving, or shopping, or internet usage ... the cops will knock on your door to check you out.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (ZPrif)

219 Remember the Unabomber? He only got caught because his family recognized his writings and turned him in.

NO ONE had a clue who he was.



http://tinyurl.com/mnlts

Posted by: John Smith at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (wR+pz)

220 I am not worried because President Obama is protecting us from the bad guys. We have not had any terroist attacks since President Obama took over from that idiot Bush. I want to thank President Obama for a job well done.

Posted by: LaQuisha Jeantell Largess' at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (3lMGK)

221 When I come out of the Home Depot it is usually with a big ol' can of hornet knock-down spray and vigilance.

Posted by: sarahw at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (LYwCh)

222 I'm talking 10 years out as surveillance tech advances.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (ZPrif)

223 Sawzall is too messy. Best to use a hand saw.


Wooschipper. 45% liquid caustic soda to sanitize.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (8D0/R)

224 You can sneak a bomb into a movie theater or mall or any large public
gathering area every bit as easy in Texas as you can in NYC.


Bombs are a lot of work. Toxins in the HVAC.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 13, 2013 12:13 PM (/kI1Q)

225 >>>If one guy walks into Home Depot and checks out with plastic sheeting,
some shovels, rope, duct tape, a cordless sawzall, a machete, some bags
of lime, and a bunch of hefty bags, it might raise some eyebrows. If those kill kit components are spread out over 6 buyers, no flags would ever be raised.
=====

Apart from the obvious workaround of just buying the same components in three different stores, (or the same one on three different days), bluntly, I doubt any of the clerks at Home Depot would notice or care.

Posted by: looking closely at September 13, 2013 12:13 PM (6Q9g2)

226 Thanks for the link, 3%.

You all know, of course, that Zawahiri just sent a signal to his fellow Jihadists in this country, right? Including the one in the White House.

Watch and pray.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 12:13 PM (3A7PP)

227 But 2 people both buying from Lowes, Home Depot, and Ace (especially using cash) would be perfectly able to spread their purchases out enough that no additional "sympathizers" are necessary.
---
I find i must object to the suggestion that our leader here might support terrorist purchases for cash. Now valu-rite is a different story...

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at September 13, 2013 12:13 PM (SO2Q8)

228
>>> You have to show ID to buy fertilizer now in any quality.


No ID needed if you steal it.

Posted by: garrett at September 13, 2013 12:13 PM (E2rCV)

229 Wooschipper. 45% liquid caustic soda to sanitize.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (8D0/R)

Ok...you guys are officially starting to frighten me. And I'm frightening.

Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2013 12:14 PM (x3YFz)

230 IIRC, you need quicklime, not lime. A number of would-be killers have been caught that way.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 13, 2013 12:09 PM (zF6Iw)



*imagines some idiot getting even the "lime" part wrong and spending hundreds of dollars on limes to pitch into the hole on top of the corpse(s)*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 12:14 PM (4df7R)

231 Really, that was not the lesson of Boston bombing. They locked down the city for days and they weren't even very serious about what they were doing, I mean they went to a frigging party afterwards.
Posted by: KG at September 13, 2013 12:00 PM (p7BzH)

The Boston bombing was a first-of-its-kind event, a one-off in terms of official response and public reaction. Also notice that one of the bombers is dead, the other in prison, and that those two fucked-up, would-be jihadis are no longer capable of bombing anyone. What Al Qaeda is threatening isa continuous, sustained terror campaign constituting dozens, perhapshundreds of attacks. By definition, such a campaign cannot be sustained for long if the terrorists doing it are allkilled or captured in every attack.

It's a largely empty threat, partly to rally the troops, partlyto deflect attention from their actual plans,and partly to obscure the fact that their leadership cadres have been decimated and theyhaven't been able to pull off a large-scale attack on the US homeland since 9-11. Sure, they're running amok in Syria and other shitholes across the globe, but those are typically places where we aren't.

If the enemy publicly tells you anything, you can be sure most or all of it is a lie.

Posted by: troyriser at September 13, 2013 12:14 PM (2jF2B)

232 Depressing topic. With likely no positive solution that doesn't involve horrible things and/or an abusive Big Brother govt.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:14 PM (ZPrif)

233

Romeo13,

All too true. And largely irreversible absent a major societal realignment, one that cannot occur given current demographics. We either fundamentally change those demographics, or we simply resign ourselves to a piss-poor, post-freedom existence.

That's the choice.

Posted by: imp at September 13, 2013 12:14 PM (L9AnB)

234
In this world, there is never a perfect solution. Remember that crazed shooting in Seattle? Two or three were killed instead of 20+. The shooter was stopped by an concealed carrier.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 12:07 PM (3A7PP)


The knowledge that they might encounter someone with a gun to shoot back at them probably stops even more killings.


Make it a certainty and it would take a very brave shooter to attempt it. Notice they tend to pick areas where they don't think people will shoot back?


The Gun is civilization.


http://www.redstate.com/denniswingo/2013/01/29/the-gun-is-civilization/

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at September 13, 2013 12:14 PM (bb5+k)

235 A few gallons of extra strength bug/rat poison in a conventional bomb could start a panic. Like a dirty chem weapon bomb. Even if it doesn't add to the body count, it'll set off all the sensors, first responders will have to be all MOPPed up, etc. Scary shit.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 13, 2013 12:15 PM (ZshNr)

236
Alternative Headline: Al-Qaeda pays more attention to economy than Obama or option 2. Obama does more damage to economy than AQ. You pick.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 13, 2013 12:15 PM (sUMBr)

237
Why wouldn't they attack wherever they want? The real jihadis don't give a shit about getting away, they believe in martyrdom.



You give way too much credit to concealed carry states. You can
sneak a bomb into a movie theater or mall or any large public gathering
area every bit as easy in Texas as you can in NYC.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2013 12:09 PM (g1DWB)

Because they want to do damage, and it is easier where the victims are less likely to be able to fight back.

Posted by: KG at September 13, 2013 12:15 PM (p7BzH)

238 232
Depressing topic. With likely no positive solution that doesn't involve horrible things and/or an abusive Big Brother govt.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:14 PM (ZPrif)

Awww. You're looking at it wrong. Perspective.

I'll quote Chesty: "We're surrounded. That solves the problem of us getting to these bastards and killing them."

Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2013 12:16 PM (x3YFz)

239 No ID needed if you steal it.

Posted by: garrett at September 13, 2013 12:13 PM (E2rCV)

Good point, BUT it is heavy and you need a lot of it to make a good bomb. Also, the thief would set off bells everywhere. Now stealing it from a farm? Easy, but still would be reported.

Posted by: John Smith at September 13, 2013 12:16 PM (wR+pz)

240 "But I'm not talking about how many they kill, I'm talking about
inflicting terror. If the savages start attacking churches and malls and
hospitals and all those type places, it won't matter how many they
kill. The fear will be real and it will be felt."

And the fear may also cause the LIVs to grow a fcuking brain, demand real, meaningful, and effective foreign action from their government, and also take some goddamn responsibility for their own protection.

Or not.

Posted by: Jaws at September 13, 2013 12:17 PM (4I3Uo)

241 But I'm not talking about how many they kill, I'm talking about inflicting terror. If the savages start attacking churches and malls and hospitals and all those type places, it won't matter how many they kill. The fear will be real and it will be felt.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 13, 2013 12:10 PM (da5Wo)

True. But fear is, mostly, a choice. And those who are Christian know the source of it.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 12:17 PM (3A7PP)

242 The cool thing about terrorism with a country like ours is that the more they threaten us, the more our own government abuses us to "protect" us. Personally, I'll take my fucking chances with the sand fleas.

Posted by: maddogg at September 13, 2013 12:17 PM (xWW96)

243 If Zawahiri really wanted to hurt us, he'd open a biofuels company and start a grant application with the DOE.

Posted by: MTF at September 13, 2013 12:17 PM (qf2kI)

244 132


KAOS is a non-commercial community/college


radio station broadcasting from the Evergreen State College in Olympia,


WA. Tune in on 89.3 FM.

*
Ah! The old "Disguise an evil organization by giving it call letters like a radio station" trick!

Posted by: Maxwell Smart at September 13, 2013 12:17 PM (BDU/a)

245 Ugh. Gonna go watch a happy puppy video to avoid thinking about this depressing stuff. Maybe we'll just get lucky and nothing horrible will happen.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:17 PM (ZPrif)

246 Oh, fuck the Romans! They didn't even make good Italian food back then!Posted by: Victor/Victoria at September 13, 2013 12:11 PM ..................What have the bloody Romans ever done for us????

Posted by: Judean Peoples Front at September 13, 2013 12:18 PM (sUMBr)

247

What Al Qaeda is threatening isa continuous, sustained terror campaign constituting dozens, perhapshundreds of attacks. By definition, such a campaign cannot be sustained for long if the terrorists doing it are allkilled or captured in every attack.

False, troy.

There is a newar-endless stream of jihadi wannabes if given the right conditions. Ethiopians, Somalis, Chechnyans, and all the other "refugee" groups we have imported just need to see, as the black community is beginning to, that they can get away with attacks, or at least have a chance of causing major disruption before going down in a "heroic" hail of gunfire.

If unemployment among youth stays around 40% or whatever it's at, we can fin ourselves very quickly with a Palestinian type underclass.

Posted by: imp at September 13, 2013 12:18 PM (L9AnB)

248 America's weak spot is its economy, which began to totter from the drain of its military and security expenditure

I see Zawahiri has signed onto the idiotic leftist premise that military spending is the primary source of the US' deficits.

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 13, 2013 12:18 PM (uYaYO)

249 They don't call them serial killers until enough corpses are found to make it clear a pattern exists. It is believed that the most successful serial killers are truck drivers who have a perfectly legit reason to rove around the major interstate routes. A terrorist cell could emulate this.
Posted by: Epobirs at September 13, 2013 12:09 PM (kcfmt)Cab drivers!!!!

Posted by: wrg500 at September 13, 2013 12:18 PM (mwctc)

250 By definition, such a campaign cannot be sustained for long if the
terrorists doing it are allkilled or captured in every attack.


I wish I could have your optimism that our enemies will continue to be fucking idiots forever...but I don't

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 12:18 PM (9MLX+)

251 Well the good news is that the rocket launchers and other ordinance that Jugears has been supplying them with, won't work with this new plan, so he obviously knows what he's doing.

Posted by: ontherocks at September 13, 2013 12:18 PM (Gla1L)

252 Terrorists could destroy this country by setting an arbitrary minimum cost for labor.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 13, 2013 12:18 PM (SzAZ7)

253 You know, if they could get an America hating member of the Muslim Brotherhood into the White House, they could really hurt the economy.

Posted by: garrett at September 13, 2013 12:19 PM (E2rCV)

254 Note.... you are MUCH more likely to die from you DR. making a mistake... than you are from terrorism.

Hell... except for 9/11, you are more likely to get struck by lightning than die of terrorism if you average it over 10 years (73 a year average).

And don't even THINK about getting in CAR!!! oh... the horror...

Yet... the Government has taken away our Freedom... in the name of keeping us safe from this 'threat'... they keep us in FEAR.... in order to gain control...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 13, 2013 12:19 PM (lZBBB)

255 252 Terrorists could destroy this country by setting an arbitrary minimum cost for labor.


Or starting an income tax?

Posted by: John Smith at September 13, 2013 12:20 PM (wR+pz)

256 Terrorists could destroy this country by setting an arbitrary minimum cost for labor.

***

heh

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 13, 2013 12:20 PM (DmNpO)

257 Because they want to do damage, and it is easier where the victims are less likely to be able to fight back.
Posted by: KG at September 13, 2013 12:15 PM (p7BzH)


The damage they'd be doing is to the national psyche. It's about fear, not destruction. When people are scared to go to the mall in case THEY become the victim of Jihadi Johnny, then economic chaos quickly follows. Sure you can buy a lot of things on the internet, but that just means the jihadis have a new target: shipping and freight companies, or a web-hack that shuts down the major online retailers.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 12:20 PM (4df7R)

258
No ID needed if you steal it.

Posted by: garrett at September 13, 2013 12:13 PM (E2rCV)


That's against the law.


-random lib jackhole

Posted by: RWC - MΩRΩΠ LΔβΣ at September 13, 2013 12:20 PM (NLTDQ)

259 209 A single terrorist could fake lynchings and our cities would burn from the inside. With the assistance of the race hustlers, of course.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 13, 2013 12:11 PM (SzAZ7)


You guys are amateurs. Remember ABC's Brian Ross showing how to blow up a train and release enough toxic chemicals to kill 100,000 people?


The stupid fucker seemed to think something could be done to address the problem. All he accomplished was to inform very bad people of a pretty foolproof method for mass murder.

Brian Ross should have been fired a long time ago. He is unfit to work in the News/Media industry.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at September 13, 2013 12:20 PM (bb5+k)

260 >>Because they want to do damage, and it is easier where the victims are less likely to be able to fight back.

How do you fight back against a bomb? Nobody was able to fight back in OKC anymore than they were in the Trade Towers. And there are a lot of guns in Oklahoma.

The sad truth is that a deranged nut who is determined to kill and doesn't mind killing himself in the process can strike just about anywhere.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2013 12:21 PM (g1DWB)

261 *imagines some idiot getting even the "lime" part wrong and spending hundreds of dollars on limes to pitch into the hole on top of the corpse(s)*

The Mojito Killer. Hrm.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 13, 2013 12:21 PM (/kI1Q)

262 Lye is what you want, not lime, btw.

Posted by: brak at September 13, 2013 12:21 PM (M2qTM)

263 Leftard imbecile final solution to terrorism: Declare every city a bomb free zone. Somehow, this works in lefty think.

Posted by: maddogg at September 13, 2013 12:22 PM (xWW96)

264 If Zawahiri really wanted to hurt us, he'd open a biofuels company and start a grant application with the DOE.

Posted by: MTF at September 13, 2013 12:17 PM

A never-ending parade of workplace incidents.

Posted by: Geehad has a long mustache: the seal goes ow ow ow at September 13, 2013 12:22 PM (6xhLc)

265 There is a newar-endless stream of jihadi wannabes if given the right conditions.

***

Offer them full medical and dental plus a generous retirement package. It's not like you're ever going to have to pay it.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 13, 2013 12:22 PM (Hx5uv)

266 I see Zawahiri has signed onto the idiotic leftist premise that military spending is the primary source of the US' deficits.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 13, 2013 12:18 PM (uYaYO)


Or he's saying that because he knows idiot leftists will point to it and say, "SEE!? All this military spending is making us vulnerable. Even the terrorists know it! Cut the military spending!"

Much like Putin, the jihadi bastards are good at playing the lefties like a fucking fiddle.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 12:22 PM (4df7R)

267 We all know how effective the Mohamed/Malvo shooting spree was at
inducing regional paralysis, and those turds were amateurs, practically
begging to get caught.


Remember the guys with the Light Bright rigged up to be some cartoon character flipping the bird? It was in Boston, I think.

It takes very little to cause massive disruption, especially since the emergency services respond to every event with a tri-county full-spectrum mobilization.

A few years ago, in the area where I live (not exactly a high-profile terrorist target), there was a pool guy who decided to take his kids away from his ex-wife ... some divorce thing. Anyway, he's driving on the freeway and pulled off to the side of road in his covered pick-up truck, and the fumes from his cleaning chemicals overwhelmed him and the kids. I think one of them may have even died. It was horrible, and it was hard to tell if he was merely negligent or it was all part of a murder-suicide thing related to his divorce.

Anyway, a highway patrol cop came along to investigate the parked car, and he instantly smelled the fumes and called in the HazMat team, then passed out from the exposure. Well, now it was escalated into an OFFICER DOWN situation -- then came the helicopters, SWAT teams, every level of law enforcement, from special federal units that no one is allowed to know about, to the regular FBI, to the state, county, local ... Everyone. There must have been 75 government cars.

Needless to say, they shut down the freeway. One could say they overreacted a little, but one could also say they had to investigate to know what they were dealing with. Fine.

But even though the incident was quickly determined to be a POOL GUY with POOL CHEMICALS in his truck that had caused an unforunate loss of life due to improper storage -- the massive law enforcement response kept the freeway shut down for THREE DAYS.

That's one guy with a small drum of improperly-sealed pool-grade chlorine.

Posted by: Phinn at September 13, 2013 12:22 PM (oFH2D)

268 So... Friday the 13th, eh?

What kind of monstrous document dump can we expect today?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 13, 2013 12:22 PM (DmNpO)

269 The Boston bombing was a first-of-its-kind event, a
one-off in terms of official response and public reaction. Also notice
that one of the bombers is dead, the other in prison, and that those two
fucked-up, would-be jihadis are no longer capable of bombing anyone.
What Al Qaeda is threatening isa continuous, sustained terror campaign
constituting dozens, perhapshundreds of attacks. By definition, such a
campaign cannot be sustained for long if the terrorists doing it are
allkilled or captured in every attack.


Posted by: troyriser at September 13, 2013 12:14 PM (2jF2B)
Ok, so the fact that they caused a major US city to be essentially shut down for days is completely irrelevant? And the fact that they accomplished this while going about their evil deeds with superficial seriousness?
It doesn't matter what happened to them afterwards, they shut down a city. They shut. down. a city. If they were truly serious and had compatriots in other cities... surely your imagination can fill you in on the rest.

Posted by: KG at September 13, 2013 12:22 PM (p7BzH)

270 you need a lot of it to make a good bomb

You need a lot of it to make a BIG bomb. One bag is plenty for blasting out stumps on a farm. I you just need a small low velocity explosion, one bag would do fine.

The only reason people want a lot of it is because its a low velocity explosive they're trying to substitute in applications where a lesser amount of high velocity would be more suitable.

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 12:23 PM (9MLX+)

271 @218, 254
I don't want prevention, I want victory.
I want victory over the jihadis, and victory over the oligarchs.

Posted by: Cretin, moron isotopes becoming high-grade in thousands of cenrifuges at September 13, 2013 12:23 PM (tfSla)

272 How much did the shut down of Boston cost the economy?

Posted by: Lauren at September 13, 2013 12:23 PM (ELdpj)

273 >>The commies in Boulder are the good people. It's not their fault they
want to live in the mountain valley, all up in nature. And floodplains.

May just be their fault that they didn't let the Army Corps of Engineers reinforce the sides of Boulder Creek with concrete after the 1968 flood.

Posted by: Janet Napolitano at September 13, 2013 12:23 PM (ZFdsD)

274 I think I've already spotted the first al Qaeda plot ...

These are the updates that keep "coming back":
KB2810048
KB2760588
KB2760411

Posted by: Bill Gates at September 13, 2013 12:24 PM (e8kgV)

275 After the billions (trillions?) we've spend in Iraqistan, what's a few more?

Posted by: SFGoth at September 13, 2013 12:24 PM (eZucQ)

276 268
So... Friday the 13th, eh?



What kind of monstrous document dump can we expect today?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 13, 2013 12:22 PM (DmNpO)

ISWYDT.

Posted by: joncelli at September 13, 2013 12:24 PM (RD7QR)

277 "Depressing topic. With likely no positive solution that doesn't involve horrible things and/or an abusive Big Brother govt."

Big Brother is no ironclad solution no matter how much they say it is.


Posted by: Jaws at September 13, 2013 12:24 PM (4I3Uo)

278 The assumption on the one and two-man team construct is that they remain effective for the primary objective of terrorism, which is mass-effect killings to gain attention to political/idealistic causes.That assumption's made false by the fact of the smalleroperative group, the smaller theimpact. The 9/11 hijackers illustrated this.To pull off their caper at the scale desired they had to organize to a largerscale; they could not work in micro-teamsize. Doing soincreased potentialfor their plot to be foiled. To be effective, these micro teamshave to be deployed en-masseand in coordination. AlQaeda simply doesn't have that reach anymore because the net result of adopting micro-unit strategy is that thecauseorganization's operational elementbecomesdivested factions thataccomplishlittle toward furthering the original cause. Al Qaeda's new approach is actually good for us and indicative of its diminishing viability. In lay terms: We're winning both the fights and the battles. They're devolving into the Weather Underground.

Posted by: Manolo at September 13, 2013 12:25 PM (PWWdd)

279 True. But fear is, mostly, a choice. And those who are Christian know the source of it.
Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 12:17 PM (3A7PP)



Eh, I gotta disagree. If someone sticks a gun in your face, most people feel fear. That's an automatic response.

If there are attacks and killings in the manner we've all described, people will avoid the places where they're happening. They will change their behaviors. See the DC snipers for example.

That's fear.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 13, 2013 12:25 PM (da5Wo)

280 The cool thing about terrorism with a country like ours is that the more
they threaten us, the more our own government abuses us to "protect"
us.

***

You mean like how they eavesdrop on my pizza orders but couldn't stop the Boston Bombers while using Benghazi as a staging area to arm al Queda?

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 13, 2013 12:25 PM (Hx5uv)

281
I keep waiting for infrastructure attacks -- identify and destroy some crucial electricity or petroleum nodes and we are deeply, profoundly screwed.
Posted by: joncelli at September 13, 2013 11:28 AM
I would think it'd be worse if a helicopter was flown into a wastewater treatment facility.... then the shit would really hit the fan.

Posted by: Roscoe at September 13, 2013 12:25 PM (MIovV)

282
The good news is that "smart" jihadis are very rare.
Look at the jihadis that have been captured. These guys should have a capital L tattooed on their foreheads.

The other weakness is that a martyr type jihadi needs to be chosen, programmed, coached and coddled.that requires a team and a cell to support the team.

Widespread continuous jihadi attacks are unlikely in the US, especially if:
1. Control the borders
2. It appears we are not losing the WOT.

Posted by: rd at September 13, 2013 12:27 PM (D+lxs)

283 Both in Germany and in Egypt—two very different cases, to be sure—politicians and parties have chosen to decry Washington. Anti-Americanism is back.

... and it's Bush' fault .. I'm sure

Posted by: Pres**ent Barack “Unexpectedly” Obama at September 13, 2013 12:27 PM (e8kgV)

284 >>Widespread continuous jihadi attacks are unlikely in the US, especially if:
1. Control the borders
2. It appears we are not losing the WOT.

Unfortunately, we are doing neither.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2013 12:28 PM (g1DWB)

285 It's Friday the 13th, and I just took a shower.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 13, 2013 12:28 PM (0axsw)

286 On a serious note.

Examine the lack of lone wolf attacks in the US. We're a nation that is better armed as a citizenry than most countries. Literally: if you fight us, you fight us all.

Friend of mine relayed a story from his school days when the teacher asked how many kids had a gun in the house. Every hand was raised in the classroom. Teacher then asked how many have more than 1 gun. No hands went down. Three guns. All hands.

It's not evidence, but it's a telling anecdote. We value our freedom to move freely within our sphere and if you diddle with that you're going to find yourself faceplanted. Whether or not you're breathing is not a concern.

The Islamic world doesn't understand this mindset. It's as foreign to them as common sense is to Miley Cyrus.

There have been lone wolf attacks over the years, related to Islam. The two asshole cowards shooting people out of the trunk of a car, the Ft Hood coward. But basically, Islam has been hell bent on lopping off heads and murdering people for, oh, a few centuries now. Their lack of success from sea to shining sea is a testament to our (FU Putin) exceptionalism.

Yeah, we're smarter than the rest of the world. And better armed.

America! F Yeah!

Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2013 12:28 PM (x3YFz)

287 I'd love to use that ugly fucking splotchy mole on his head as a target.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 13, 2013 12:28 PM (sUMBr)

288 It's not hard to indiscriminately kill a fairly large number of people AND get away from the scene.

Actually, it is.

It's not hard to indiscriminately *wound* a fairly large number of people and kill a smaller number AND get away from the scene.

Which would certainly work just as well for their purposes EXCEPT that for this to work, they couldn't just do it all on one day. It would have to be spread over several days.

And after the first one, CHL holders would be on the lookout for such antics, and the bad guys would start going down Bonnie & Clyde style.

At least in heavy CCW states.

But that's not even why they'd focus on NY, IL, and CA. They'd do *that* because those are the states where the news comes from. WGN (out of Chicago) is a national TV station. CA and NY are, well, California and New York.

Much lower risk, much higher reward.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 12:28 PM (/PCJa)

289 The sad truth is that a deranged nut who is
determined to kill and doesn't mind killing himself in the process can
strike just about anywhere.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2013 12:21 PM (g1DWB)

Well, that all depends on what the terrorist how the terrorist wants to achieve his aims. If it's a bomb, then, yes it can happen anywhere. If he wants to do it Mumbai-style, he's gonna have to be a bit more choosy to give himself enough time to do what he feels is "enough" damage.

Posted by: KG at September 13, 2013 12:28 PM (p7BzH)

290 >>> You have to show ID to buy fertilizer now in any quality.


No ID needed if you steal it.
========

go to any small farming town.

The ammonia nitrate can be found in storage bays.

Behind the mighty impenetrable padlock. At night.

During the day, it can be found wide open.

That's what I saw in my small town for years after OKC.


Posted by: RoyalOil at September 13, 2013 12:28 PM (VjL9S)

291 Speaking of blowing up shit. Anyone ever figure out why that fertilizer plant in TX blew up?

Hmmm.

Posted by: John Smith at September 13, 2013 12:29 PM (wR+pz)

292 They're devolving into the Weather Underground.

Posted by: Manolo at September 13, 2013 12:25 PM (PWWdd)

~

So in a couple of years they'll be attacking our children's minds. That's scary stuff.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 13, 2013 12:29 PM (SzAZ7)

293
I remember having these discussions 12 years ago. All AQ would have to do is start blowing up cars on the middle of the freeway, or set trashcans on fire in shopping malls, airports, sports venues, they could shut down this country.

AQ is stupid though, and would rather go for futile gestures.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 13, 2013 12:29 PM (TOk1P)

294 250 By definition, such a campaign cannot be sustained for long if the terrorists doing it are allkilled or captured in every attack.
---
how many Kamikaze stirkes did we face in the last year of WWII?
And the Jihadi's have a better death cult than the Japanese did.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at September 13, 2013 12:29 PM (SO2Q8)

295 Maybe we are missing the ultimate point here, the direction of history.
The U.S. won WW II but Stalin got half the world.
We'll defeat the jihadis, but we'll lose our liberty and the Caliphate gets half the world.
It's not so much what happens during, but what happens after, more-or-less "inevitably" and w/out anyone noticing.

Posted by: Cretin, moron isotopes becoming high-grade in thousands of cenrifuges at September 13, 2013 12:30 PM (tfSla)

296 Yeah, we're smarter than the rest of the world. And better armed.

America! F Yeah!


Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2013 12:28 PM (x3YFz)


Which is exactly why we want to take away your ability to buy Ammunition without a government permit....

Posted by: California Legislature at September 13, 2013 12:30 PM (lZBBB)

297 I keep reminding myself that islam is THE religion of peace.



......why the HELL do I have such a hard time remembering that?

Posted by: ontherocks at September 13, 2013 12:30 PM (Gla1L)

298 "133
Truck bomb goes off in the middle of 95 rush hour traffic would have a
huge impact. No way to stop it without grinding the are down to a halt.

Posted by: RWC - MΩRΩΠ LΔβΣ at September 13, 2013 11:56 AM (NLTDQ)"

To be more effective, do it on bridges and in tunnels. A truck bomb in the Holland tunnel during rush hour is the stuff of nightmares.


Then Marissa Meyer might reconsider her policy of ending telecommuting. In fact telecommuting would become enormously more popular.

It would probably play hell with the administration's "war against the suburbs", especially if the jihadis start targeting mass transit.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 13, 2013 12:30 PM (31Nrp)

299 292 They're devolving into the Weather Underground.

Posted by: Manolo at September 13, 2013 12:25 PM (PWWdd)


So next up inviting a future president over for a BBQ?

Oh, wait, he when to Pakistan also, wonder why?

Posted by: John Smith at September 13, 2013 12:30 PM (wR+pz)

300
Posted by: KG at September 13, 2013 12:22 PM (p7BzH)

NO! The "Authorities" in Boston shut down the city.

Posted by: rd at September 13, 2013 12:30 PM (D+lxs)

301 What if I walk into Home Depot and ask for 10,000 marbles? What then?

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 13, 2013 12:30 PM (sUMBr)

302 primary objective of terrorism, which is mass-effect killings

Stop thinking primary action as an endgame.

Provocation of secondary action that OTHER PEOPLE perform for free out of fear/stupidity is vastly superior and runs on auto-pilot.

The idea up thread of fake lynchings, gay bashings, whatever to provoke civil unrest is where AQ is headed.

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 12:31 PM (9MLX+)

303
291 -

I'm pretty sure it was because fertilizer is volatile, and sometimes blows up.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 13, 2013 12:31 PM (TOk1P)

304 I keep reminding myself that islam is THE religion of peace.



......why the HELL do I have such a hard time remembering that?

***

It's those marauding Christians you have to fear.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 13, 2013 12:31 PM (DmNpO)

305 287 I'd love to use that ugly fucking splotchy mole on his head as a target.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 13, 2013 12:28 PM (sUMBr)

That's rugburn baby!

Posted by: RWC - MΩRΩΠ LΔβΣ at September 13, 2013 12:31 PM (NLTDQ)

306 Anyone ever figure out why that fertilizer plant in TX blew up?

Yeah. They knew within a couple of days.

Some rags were left where they shouldn't have been, caught fire, and the fire spread to the fertilizer. Kaboom.

No conspiracy or terrorism necessary.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 12:31 PM (/PCJa)

307 41 Someone takes out 1 of the 2 bridges around DC the east coast is screwed.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 13, 2013 11:34 AM (L9Mr/)

Are you sure that's not a good thing?

Posted by: Jaimo at September 13, 2013 12:31 PM (9U1OG)

308 What if I walk into Home Depot and ask for 10,000 marbles? What then?

You get fitted for a rubber room ;->

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 12:31 PM (9MLX+)

309 It's not hard to indiscriminately *wound* a fairly large number of people and kill a smaller number AND get away from the scene.

Nitpicking a little, but ok. Valid change to what I said.

Which would certainly work just as well for their purposes EXCEPT that for this to work, they couldn't just do it all on one day. It would have to be spread over several days.

And after the first one, CHL holders would be on the lookout for such antics, and the bad guys would start going down Bonnie & Clyde style.

At least in heavy CCW states.

But that's not even why they'd focus on NY, IL, and CA. They'd do *that* because those are the states where the news comes from. WGN (out of Chicago) is a national TV station. CA and NY are, well, California and New York.

Much lower risk, much higher reward.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 12:28 PM (/PCJa)



You're still missing the point. You think a successful attack is determined by body counts. In terrorism, true terrorism, it's not.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 13, 2013 12:31 PM (da5Wo)

310 Dropping the
big power transmission towers is easy. They're largely unguarded, and in
the more remote areas you'd have at least a half hour to work before
there could be any possible response even if there was intrusion
detection.


Power lines and telco fiber get cut or damaged all the time- storms, an errant backhoe operator, hunters shooting birds off aerial lines, etc.

Somehow, we manage to go on without giving it a second thought. Mostly because utility crews have a lot of experience repairing such damage and usually do so in a matter of hours.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 13, 2013 12:32 PM (SY2Kh)

311 "There is a newar-endless stream of jihadi wannabes if given the right conditions."

Which is why the better and more effective solution for a FedGov that's got a hardon for controlling people and violating their rights would be to seal the borders, enforce travel restrictions against you know who, and crawl up the ass of those usual suspects who are already here. They want to be a police state? May as well project it in the right direction.


But no. We'll just spill granny's colostomy bag all over her at a TSA checkpoint instead. It's fairer. Nevermind the fact it won't stop jack shit.

Posted by: Jaws at September 13, 2013 12:32 PM (4I3Uo)

312 Home Depot sells marbles?

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 13, 2013 12:32 PM (0axsw)

313 Well you guys are all fucking skittles and sunshine today. Fuck I am more depressed now than I was this morning.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 13, 2013 12:32 PM (sUMBr)

314 Behind the mighty impenetrable padlock. At night.

During the day, it can be found wide open.

That's what I saw in my small town for years after OKC.




Posted by: RoyalOil at September 13, 2013 12:28 PM (VjL9S)

301
What if I walk into Home Depot and ask for 10,000 marbles? What then?

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 13, 2013 12:30 PM (sUMBr)

Cows. They poop. A lot. It ain't rocket surgery.

Don't ask for marbles. Nails, rookie, nails.

Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2013 12:33 PM (x3YFz)

315 @10 Infrastructure attacks? Like these? Link to Bob Owens

http://tinyurl.com/cdhjmyr


Posted by: flounder at September 13, 2013 12:33 PM (Kkt/i)

316 301 What if I walk into Home Depot and ask for 10,000 marbles? What then?

You'd be sent to Toy's R Us

Posted by: John Smith at September 13, 2013 12:33 PM (wR+pz)

317 "Yeah, we're smarter than the rest of the world. And better armed.

America! F Yeah!
Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2013 12:28 PM (x3YFz) "Thats quite a stretch if you ask me, considering who we elected President.

Posted by: maddogg at September 13, 2013 12:33 PM (xWW96)

318 President Obama has chosen Jeffrey D. Zients, an entrepreneur who twice was the president’s acting budget director and a past candidate for two cabinet positions, to succeed Gene B. Sperling as the chief White House economic adviser.

The appointment was leaked to the New York Times on Friday. The paper did not not mention the advisor’s controversial connection to Bain or Romney. Politico’s Playbook failed to mention the appointment entirely.

Posted by: Mitt Romney's evil twin (Star Trek "The Enemy Within") at September 13, 2013 12:33 PM (e8kgV)

319 It's those marauding Christians you have to fear.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 13, 2013 12:31 PM (DmNpO)



Those damn rioting Lutherans we always hear about.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 13, 2013 12:33 PM (da5Wo)

320 "291
Speaking of blowing up shit. Anyone ever figure out why that fertilizer plant in TX blew up?



Hmmm.

Posted by: John Smith at September 13, 2013 12:29 PM (wR+pz)"

It wasn't a factory, it was a storage facility that sold fertilizer to local farmers.

There was a fire in a nearby building and the fire spread, assisted by 30 mph winds. It eventually involved a couple of large storage tanks and then boom.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 13, 2013 12:34 PM (31Nrp)

321 I don't have a lot of faith in our intelligence agencies.

I ship product directly to nuclear and missile facilities in Pakistan, to distributors in Libya and to the Iraqi military. My largest customer is in Russia and my suppliers are in China.

You would think that at some point, someone would call and ask a few questions, but no one ever has.

I doubt anyone is watching what I buy at Lowes.

Posted by: jwest at September 13, 2013 12:34 PM (u2a4R)

322 What have the bloody Romans ever done for us????

Posted by: Judean Peoples Front
----------------------

I can name at least V things.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 13, 2013 12:35 PM (aDwsi)

323 Al Qaeda? On the run. Besides, those guys are amateurs when it comes to destroying the economy.

Posted by: BHO Mmmm, mmmm, mmmm at September 13, 2013 12:35 PM (Kkt/i)

324 If a rag fire can get access to all that splodey fertilizer what's to stop Achmed?

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 13, 2013 12:35 PM (0axsw)

325 Thats quite a stretch if you ask me, considering who we elected President.

Posted by: maddogg at September 13, 2013 12:33 PM (xWW96)
"WE?"

You got a mouse in your pocket? I never said half the population wasn't retarded. It is. We're the other half.

Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2013 12:35 PM (x3YFz)

326
309 -

I know you two seem to have been having a running argument for a couple days now, so forgive me for intruding, but I think the flaw in any assumption about what terrorists do is not recognizing that terrorists are mostly interested in making grand gestures, to call attention to themselves, and NOT necessarily to engage in strategic terrorism, with an intent of causing terror.

If they were, they would be doing it differently. But they're not, so they aren't.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 13, 2013 12:36 PM (TOk1P)

327 How about Hoof and Mouth disease?

Look how it destroyed GB's cattle industry.


Add "RSOE EDIS" to your BookFaced feed.

Lot's and lot's of stories that never make it to the US news.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 13, 2013 12:36 PM (VjL9S)

328 315
@10 Infrastructure attacks? Like these? Link to Bob Owens

http://tinyurl.com/cdhjmyr




Posted by: flounder at September 13, 2013 12:33 PM (Kkt/i)

Yup, that's what I had in mind. Choose a city that's particularly dependent on some item of infrastructure (bridges into NYC, power into anywhere, water into desert regions) and attack the vulnerable nodes.

Posted by: joncelli at September 13, 2013 12:37 PM (RD7QR)

329 George Carlin - "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."

Posted by: Yosemite Sam at September 13, 2013 12:37 PM (e8kgV)

330 He [Zawahiri] goes on to emphasize the importance of so-called
"lone-wolf", or small-scale attacks as part of al-Qaeda's strategy.


For some time the government (and to be fair, this reflects Administrations from both Party's) had told us post-9/11 that any action by terrorists were lone wolves and not large conspiracies.

Nice of Zawahri to take up their concept.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at September 13, 2013 12:37 PM (kqqGm)

331
Romans?
Indoor plumbing.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 13, 2013 12:37 PM (0axsw)

332 322
What have the bloody Romans ever done for us????


Posted by: Judean Peoples Front


Splitters!!!

Posted by: People's Front of Judea at September 13, 2013 12:37 PM (knoK7)

333 Those damn rioting Lutherans we always hear about.

***

I'll never shake the image of lime Jello and mini marshmallows spread across the landscape as the Lutherans ran wild through the streets following the 2012 elections.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 13, 2013 12:37 PM (DmNpO)

334 I still can't believe they sold Flounder 10,000 marbles. I mean, who has 10,000 marbles just laying around? Maybe Woolworth's did back in the day I guess.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 13, 2013 12:37 PM (sUMBr)

335 I don't want prevention, I want victory.
I want victory over the jihadis, and victory over the oligarchs.


Prevention is defense.
Victory is offense.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 13, 2013 12:37 PM (8D0/R)

336 If they were, they would be doing it differently. But they're not, so they aren't.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 13, 2013 12:36 PM (TOk1P)

THIS! The terrorists aren't very good at terrorism.

I attribute this to their being born of goats and a lack of personal hygiene.

Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2013 12:38 PM (x3YFz)

337 As long as they hit blue states I see no reason for alarm

Posted by: Trump at September 13, 2013 12:38 PM (zZQY8)

338 You're still missing the point. You think a successful attack is determined by body counts. In terrorism, true terrorism, it's not.

No, I don't. Well, not *just* body counts.

***Note to our worsers in Government: the following is purely speculative. It implies no plan of action***

If I were going to do something like this, I would aim for (as mentioned) Illinois, California, and New York. I might *also* target other areas because that would help, but those would be my big three.

Why? Media coverage. The Media is so heavily invested in those three states that they wouldn't hesitate even for a moment to latch on to the fear-mongering. I might add MA, too, for the same reason.

And I would do several days. Probably weekends. Probably between Thanksgiving (Black Friday would be when I would start, in fact) and Christmas.

You're right, it wouldn't matter if I killed/wounded just one person each time. The Media would take it from there. Merely going to the store would become an "act of heroic bravery."

If I *could* pull off attacks in other states, that would be gravy. In that case, I *would* target heavy CCW states- but (to preserve my own resources) I would make those much more scattered- both in time and space.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 13, 2013 12:38 PM (/PCJa)

339 321 I don't have a lot of faith in our intelligence agencies.

I ship product directly to nuclear and missile facilities in Pakistan, to distributors in Libya and to the Iraqi military. My largest customer is in Russia and my suppliers are in China.

You would think that at some point, someone would call and ask a few questions, but no one ever has.

I doubt anyone is watching what I buy at Lowes.
Posted by: jwest at September 13, 2013 12:34 PM (u2a4R)

~

But nobody cares about goat pr0n.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 13, 2013 12:39 PM (SzAZ7)

340 NO! The "Authorities" in Boston shut down the city.

Posted by: rd at September 13, 2013 12:30 PM (D+lxs)

Fine, you want to be a pedant, fine. They gave the authorities an excuse to shut down the city. Happy now?

Posted by: KG at September 13, 2013 12:39 PM (p7BzH)

341 Those damn rioting Lutherans we always hear about.

*raises eyebrow*
*chops celery*

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 13, 2013 12:39 PM (/kI1Q)

342 Seriously, lone wolf terrorism isn't difficult. Hell, you can make seriously powerful bombs out of pee. All you need is some smarts and and an Army improvised weapons manual. And some determination.

Posted by: maddogg at September 13, 2013 12:39 PM (xWW96)

343 Did Putin do anything about Beslan?

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 13, 2013 12:39 PM (0axsw)

344 Oh great. Secretary of State John Kerry was mocked by his Russian counterpart for being long winded and long faced. But mostly for being a horse-faced jackass.

Posted by: Fritz at September 13, 2013 12:39 PM (UzPAd)

345 Jeebus it's Friday. Can't we get a Kitteh and Boobeh thread. But mostly teh boobehs cuz I don't like cats.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 13, 2013 12:39 PM (sUMBr)

346 311 Jaws,

Well things get too bad there'll be a nice counter jihad at some point...

Posted by: sven10077 at September 13, 2013 12:40 PM (9jfyN)

347 President Obama has chosen Jeffrey D. Zients, an
entrepreneur who twice was the president’s acting budget director and a
past candidate for two cabinet positions, to succeed Gene B. Sperling as
the chief White House economic adviser.

The appointment was
leaked to the New York Times on Friday. The paper did not not mention
the advisor’s controversial connection to Bain or Romney. Politico’s
Playbook failed to mention the appointment entirely.

Posted by: Mitt Romney's
------------------

I'm still reeling over the nomination of Jo Ann Rooney for Undersecretary of the Navy. Former University president (Spalding?). I'm sure she's the right person for the job: http://tinyurl.com/kob4pdn

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 13, 2013 12:40 PM (aDwsi)

348 >What have the bloody Romans ever done for us????


concrete

paved roads

the orgy

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 13, 2013 12:40 PM (8sCoq)

349 "But nobody cares about goat pr0n."

The goat does.

Posted by: jwest at September 13, 2013 12:40 PM (u2a4R)

350 Caturday is tomorrow.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 13, 2013 12:40 PM (0axsw)

351 Wooschipper. 45% liquid caustic soda to sanitize.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (8D0/R)

Doesn't work as well as you think it might:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helle_Crafts

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 13, 2013 12:40 PM (zF6Iw)

352 Jeebus it's Friday. Can't we get a Kitteh and Boobeh thread. But mostly teh boobehs cuz I don't like cats.

****

http://cl.jroo.me/z3/r/n/s/c/a.aaa.jpg

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 13, 2013 12:41 PM (DmNpO)

353 342
Seriously, lone wolf terrorism isn't difficult. Hell, you can make
seriously powerful bombs out of pee. All you need is some smarts and and
an Army improvised weapons manual. And some determination.

Posted by: maddogg at September 13, 2013 12:39 PM (xWW96)

Give me some broccoli and cheese, mom's chilli and I'm a walking WMD.

Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2013 12:41 PM (x3YFz)

354
Romans.
Waterproof Concrete.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 13, 2013 12:41 PM (0axsw)

355 Pants shitting hysteria time - The Hexen - 3D printed pepperbox derringer.


http://tinyurl.com/q33gvqf

Posted by: RWC - MΩRΩΠ LΔβΣ at September 13, 2013 12:41 PM (NLTDQ)

356 "291 Speaking of blowing up shit. Anyone ever figure out why that fertilizer plant in TX blew up?

Hmmm."

The last I heard they had arrested one of the first responders for having bomb making materials, but I don't know if they made the jump to him being suspected in foul play at the plant.

Posted by: Lauren at September 13, 2013 12:41 PM (ELdpj)

357 349 "But nobody cares about goat pr0n."

The goat does.

Posted by: jwest at September 13, 2013 12:40 PM (u2a4R)

Not in a bahhhd way.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 13, 2013 12:42 PM (SzAZ7)

358
Those damn rioting Lutherans we always hear about.

*raises eyebrow*
*chops celery*


Posted by: HeatherRadish
----------------

*ponders weaponized Jello salad*

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 13, 2013 12:42 PM (aDwsi)

359 343
Did Putin do anything about Beslan?

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 13, 2013 12:39 PM (0axsw)

Killed bunches of Chechens.

Posted by: joncelli at September 13, 2013 12:42 PM (RD7QR)

360 "Seriously, lone wolf terrorism isn't difficult. Hell, you can make
seriously powerful bombs out of pee. All you need is some smarts and and
an Army improvised weapons manual. And some determination."

Don't forget ice cubes and a straw.

Posted by: Bear Grylls at September 13, 2013 12:42 PM (4I3Uo)

361 Posted by: Bear Grylls at September 13, 2013 12:42 PM (4I3Uo)

Paperclip and a rubber-band.

Posted by: Angus MacGyver at September 13, 2013 12:43 PM (/PCJa)

362 Did Putin do anything about Beslan?



Posted by: Boss Moss at September 13, 2013 12:39 PM (0axsw)

Killed bunches of Chechens.

***

I think the correct term is he cancelled a bunch of Chechens.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 13, 2013 12:43 PM (Hx5uv)

363 I would like 1000 marbles, please.

Posted by: Achmed the Goat at September 13, 2013 12:43 PM (Dwehj)

364 The goat does.



Posted by: jwest at September 13, 2013 12:40 PM (u2a4R)


Thank god for islam.

Posted by: The Chicken at September 13, 2013 12:44 PM (x3YFz)

365 apparently the secret to Roman concrete was the inclusion of volcanic material

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 13, 2013 12:44 PM (8sCoq)

366 Give me some broccoli and cheese, mom's chilli and I'm a walking WMD.


Posted by: tangonine
-------------------

Pickled eggs and beer.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 13, 2013 12:44 PM (aDwsi)

367 the orgy
Posted by: Jones in CO at September 13, 2013 12:40 PM ....................I just go for the free grapes.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 13, 2013 12:44 PM (sUMBr)

368 OT, but Lurch is a fucking joke.

From the Washington Examiner (linked at Drudge):

Secretary of State John Kerry's negotiations with the Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov got off to a rocky start Thursday, with the Russian mocking Kerry right at the outset.

"They got off to a really bad start yesterday --- partly because of the Putin op-ed and partly because Kerry in the opening remarks spoke at length --- and I mean at length --- compared to the unprepared few welcoming comments from the Russian counterpart," NBC News foreign correspondent Andrea Mitchell said on "Morning Joe."

"And then the Russian minister said at the end, very tartly, 'Sometimes diplomacy demands silence.'"



In other words, "Shut your fucking trap, Horseface, before I stuff it with hay."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 12:44 PM (4df7R)

369 MacGyver would only need a paperclip some gum and a nickel.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 13, 2013 12:44 PM (0axsw)

370 "296
Yeah, we're smarter than the rest of the world. And better armed.



America! F Yeah!





Posted by: tangonine at September 13, 2013 12:28 PM (x3YFz)





Which is exactly why we want to take away your ability to buy Ammunition without a government permit....

Posted by: California Legislature at September 13, 2013 12:30 PM (lZBBB)"

Which gets me to thinking that rather than spending time trying to make plastic guns with a 3D printer, it might be more useful to come up with a way to make primers at home. It seems that it ought to be relatively straight forward to form the metal primer body from aluminum soda cans. If you have Berdan brass, you fill your new primer cup with a sensitive material and press it into place. For Boxer primers, it is going to be a bit trickier to fabricate the tiny anvil that fits in the primer.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 13, 2013 12:44 PM (31Nrp)

371 Eh, I gotta disagree. If someone sticks a gun in your face, most people feel fear. That's an automatic response.

If there are attacks and killings in the manner we've all described, people will avoid the places where they're happening. They will change their behaviors. See the DC snipers for example.

That's fear.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 13, 2013 12:25 PM (da5Wo)

Note I said that fear is "mostly" a choice and, to concede a little bit to your point, I'll modify "mostly" to "frequently." But there are people who have been trained and who have trained themselves out of fear in case of such circumstances. That's why it's a choice. One can choose to smother the fear and go out and defy the enemy.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 12:45 PM (5noOE)

372 Pickled eggs and beer.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 13, 2013 12:44 PM,,,,,,,,,,White Castle and Pabst Blue Ribbon.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 13, 2013 12:45 PM (sUMBr)

373 1,000 Lilliputians could easily topple Gulliver. Death by a thousand paper cuts.

In COIN playing 100% defense is a losing strategy. The defender has to be right 100% of the time all the time in order to engender confidence in the populace. Whilst the lone wolves just have to get lucky one or a few times to force the leviathan to over-step, over-react, and go tyrannical. Thus the COIN is won in favor of the lone wolves and their backers.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 13, 2013 12:46 PM (ADf/u)

374
NO! The "Authorities" in Boston shut down the city.

Posted by: rd at September 13, 2013 12:30 PM (D+lxs)

Fine, you want to be a pedant, fine. They gave the authorities an excuse to shut down the city. Happy now?
Posted by: KG at September 13, 2013 12:39 PM (p7BzH)


You are missing the point, the authoritiarian response was IMO way over the top. They knew the idiot was in a 20-30 block area and they SHUT DOWN THE ENTIRE 10,000 BLOCKS OF THE CITY AND SUBURBS!

Our Fearless Leaders spread the panic and fear in Boston.

Posted by: rd at September 13, 2013 12:46 PM (D+lxs)

375 and usually do so in a matter of hours.

They're not going to put back a 100+kv tower coming out of Turkey Point in the middle of the glades in a matter of hours.

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 12:46 PM (9MLX+)

376 America's weak spot is its economy, which began to totter from the drain of its military and security expenditure," he says...

Al Qaeda is responsible for the Community Reinvestment Act?

Yeah, I know, late to the thread.

Posted by: Methos at September 13, 2013 12:47 PM (hO9ad)

377 Re: Surveillance. Slashdot has story about NYC admits they monitor EZPass vehicle movements. And throughout NYC the EZPass tags are scanned even where there is no tollbooth.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:47 PM (ZPrif)

378

Cannot link this enough on a TGIF:

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2013/09/13/we-must-elect-this-man-mayor-of-minneapolis/

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 13, 2013 12:47 PM (IXrOn)

379 PM,,,,,,,,,,White Castle and Pabst Blue Ribbon.

Posted by: Minnfidel
--------------

It's those little dehydrated onions they put on them..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 13, 2013 12:47 PM (aDwsi)

380 Which gets me to thinking that rather than spending
time trying to make plastic guns with a 3D printer, it might be more
useful to come up with a way to make primers at home. It seems that it
ought to be relatively straight forward to form the metal primer body
from aluminum soda cans. If you have Berdan brass, you fill your new
primer cup with a sensitive material and press it into place. For Boxer
primers, it is going to be a bit trickier to fabricate the tiny anvil
that fits in the primer.


Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 13, 2013 12:44 PM (31Nrp)

I'm sorry. As a physicist, I encourage your line of thought and shoot: some dude did actually do this in a mud hut someplace and that's why we have primers.

BUT

The systems engineer in me looks at ROI and goes for the blade. Outta ammo? Kill someone and take theirs.

Posted by: The Chicken at September 13, 2013 12:48 PM (x3YFz)

381 Vehicle surveillance is easily hidden under "traffic management" and highway and road management.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:48 PM (ZPrif)

382 We all know how effective the Mohamed/Malvo shooting spree was at inducing regional paralysis, and those turds were amateurs, practically begging to get caught. Had they taken their show on the road, moved around a bit more, stretched the hit interval somewhat, they could still be doing it today.

Back in the day, the British were all pissed off about the disgraceful tactic of aimed fire from cover. They had mastered the iron discipline required to get troops to stand and fire volleys, and now some colonial upstarts were challenging their whole game.

You can influence where a tree falls by where you cut the notch.

One day I'm gonna die. Maybe I'll have a few months notice, and be healthy enough to do a few things on my bucket list. How about you?

Posted by: phunctor at September 13, 2013 12:48 PM (Q7wUg)

383
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 13, 2013 12:44 PM (31Nrp)

Actually, you can recharge used primers. Not difficult. You used to be able to do it with strike anywhere matches, but they changed the composition so they won't work for that anymore. Now, you can break a thermometer and make your own fulminate of mercury. That route has some hazards though. The stuff is seriously unstable in the ladder stages of formulation.

Posted by: maddogg at September 13, 2013 12:48 PM (xWW96)

384 But mostly teh boobehs cuz I don't like cats.

http://is.gd/pPNUfQ

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 13, 2013 12:49 PM (/kI1Q)

385 You are missing the point, the authoritiarian
response was IMO way over the top. They knew the idiot was in a 20-30
block area and they SHUT DOWN THE ENTIRE 10,000 BLOCKS OF THE CITY AND
SUBURBS!

Our Fearless Leaders spread the panic and fear in Boston.

Posted by: rd at September 13, 2013 12:46 PM (D+lxs)

No, I think you are missing the point. The terrorist attack made it all happen, and that is the kind of thing that terrorists, if they could strategize better, could take advantage of. I mean, that's been kind of the point this entire thread.

Posted by: KG at September 13, 2013 12:49 PM (p7BzH)

386 ... I found fear a mean, overrated motive; no deterrent and, though a stimulant, a poisonous stimulant whose every injection served to consume more of the system...
- T.E. Lawrence.
Seven Pillars of Wisdom

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 13, 2013 12:49 PM (ADf/u)

387 Is it too early to eat a cookie?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 13, 2013 12:49 PM (DmNpO)

388 Hell, if you've patience.

A gallon jug of HCl.* For your pool, of course.

And another.

And another.

And another.

Paint black.

Climb up into the girders of bridge.

Pin hole.

After a few years of doing this.

Well, even if it's discovered before failure, they're still going to have to shut the bridge down for repairs of the mostly superficial corrosion.

This is why I live where there are no bridges.

Thank Barack we spend billions and billions and billions "beefing up" our infrastructure, yeah? Oh, we didn't? Not "as shovel ready as we thought" you say?

Hardee, har, har. That is funny. Glad he was able to laugh about it.

*or the Cl tablets, they're the size of a hockey puck.

I guess this is Thought Crime Friday. Or NSA Red Alert Friday.


Posted by: RoyalOil at September 13, 2013 12:49 PM (VjL9S)

389 In the future, the feds, state, and city govts will have a record of everywhere that everyone drives. The data will be data-mined to search for suspicious patterns.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:49 PM (ZPrif)

390 because Kerry in the opening remarks spoke at length

Kerry doesn't understand that he's a diplomat now, not a politician. There is a difference.

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 12:50 PM (9MLX+)

391 Wooschipper. 45% liquid caustic soda to sanitize.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 13, 2013 12:12 PM (8D0/R)
Doesn't work as well as you think it might:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helle_Crafts

Damn. Back to the drawing board!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 13, 2013 12:50 PM (8D0/R)

392 #334

I used to wonder about that. Marbles are little things but heavy relative to their size and it adds up. 10,000 marbles would be a pretty big volume and far too heavy for one person to carry for more than a short distance.

I'm thinking back to the mesh bags they sold when I was a kid. Those had a dozen or so marbles each and were bigger than a kid fist. 10,000 marbles would be around 830 of those bags. Assuming a weight of five ounces per bag gets you 260 pounds.

I'm going to assume Flounder made do with a few hundred marbles, which corresponds to what he was depicted as deploying against the ROTC students.

Just think what could be accomplished if I were to channel this power for evil. Well, eviler.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 13, 2013 12:50 PM (kcfmt)

393 349 "But nobody cares about goat pr0n."
The goat does.


And I can use the break, frankly.

Posted by: The Chicken at September 13, 2013 12:50 PM (zF6Iw)

394 Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 13, 2013 12:49 PM (/kI1Q) .......................ISWYDT. Heh.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 13, 2013 12:50 PM (sUMBr)

395 Same thing can be done for every cell phone.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:50 PM (ZPrif)

396 apparently the secret to Roman concrete was the inclusion of volcanic material

Volcanic sand. And it only took us 2000 years to figure it out, if I remember the articles correctly.

Posted by: t-bird at September 13, 2013 12:51 PM (FcR7P)

397 And I can use the break, frankly.Posted by: The Chicken at September 13, 2013 12:50 PM .....................Tough shit, you aren't in the union, now get back to fuckin!

Posted by: Chicken Boss at September 13, 2013 12:51 PM (sUMBr)

398 Our Fearless Leaders spread the panic and fear in Boston.

Posted by: rd
-----------

Our 'leaders' are green tea sipping lotus-eaters. They have no experience in life that allows them to make rational judgements in emergencies. One supposes that most such decisions are based on political considerations posed by their advisers. ValJal comes to mind.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 13, 2013 12:51 PM (aDwsi)

399 "Which gets me to thinking that rather than spending time trying to make
plastic guns with a 3D printer, it might be more useful to come up with a
way to make primers at home. It seems that it ought to be relatively
straight forward to form the metal primer body from aluminum soda cans.
If you have Berdan brass, you fill your new primer cup with a sensitive
material and press it into place. For Boxer primers, it is going to be a
bit trickier to fabricate the tiny anvil that fits in the primer."

I have saved just about every one of the decapped primers from 10 years of reloading just waiting for someone a little smarter than me to figure out a truly effective way to reanimate those bad boys. As far as I can tell, the best DIY ideas revolve around the tedious use of tweezers, a hammer, and strike anywhere matches. I'll let someone else work through a better way to mix compound in bulk without blowing your torso off.

Posted by: Bear Grylls at September 13, 2013 12:51 PM (4I3Uo)

400 My apologies for the jammed-up post. Computer issues. The takeway: Al Qaeda's new approach is actually good for us and indicative of its diminishing viability. In lay terms: We're winning both the fights and the battles. They're devolving into the Weather Underground.

Posted by: Manolo at September 13, 2013 12:52 PM (PWWdd)

401 I'm afraid of the response - either vigorous or timid. When we finally respond to such attacks, I fear that our culture will lose its shit completely. Go overboard, go fascistic and genocide-ish - that's what cultures under stress tend to do.

If we go timidly, I fear our culture will simply die.

Two horrible possibilities are the only ones I see. Maybe I'm not seeing obvious alternatives? I just expect the next bunch of attacks to flip us out completely.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at September 13, 2013 12:52 PM (Kxoqk)

402 Now, you can break a thermometer and make your own fulminate of mercury.

There's some Pb and I compounds that can work too.

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 12:52 PM (9MLX+)

403 >>Epobirs at September 13, 2013 12:50 PM (kcfmt)

You have way too much time on your hands.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 13, 2013 12:52 PM (g1DWB)

404 It was in the US. Around the same time as the West explosion.

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 11:33 AM (ZrcV/)

Don't know if anyone else suggested it, but there was an electric transformer in the middle of nowhere that got shot up and destroyed. I remember a lot of comments at the time about how easy that was to do and effective it could be on any significant scale.

Posted by: Methos at September 13, 2013 12:52 PM (hO9ad)

405 I like how the left is cheering the fact that an increasing % of young people are too poor to afford a car.

It's sold as Gen Y is progressive and doesn't feel a need to have a car. Reality is so many of them are so broke they can't afford one.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:53 PM (ZPrif)

406 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 12:44 PM (4df7R)

In addition, Secretariat was all tough guy saying Syria can't have thirty days to inventory their weapons and huffing and puffing around.

I fear that we re learning that buffoonery can be more dangerous than evil.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 13, 2013 12:53 PM (Hx5uv)

407 389
In the future, the feds, state, and city govts will have a record of
everywhere that everyone drives. The data will be data-mined to search
for suspicious patterns.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:49 PM (ZPrif)

All cars manufactured after a certain model year (2015? 2016? somewhere around there) will have black boxes. Also, the idea of making everybody pay for highways by using a GPS to monitor your mileage is floating around. But the government wouldn't use those things to monitor your movements, right?

Posted by: joncelli at September 13, 2013 12:53 PM (RD7QR)

408 Kerry doesn't understand that he's a diplomat now, not a politician. There is a difference.


Posted by: Purp
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Not in this Administration.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 13, 2013 12:53 PM (aDwsi)

409 There's some Pb and I compounds that can work too.
Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 12:52 PM (9MLX+) True, but they all share the same ladder stage instabilities. One must take care or one will be blown up

Posted by: maddogg at September 13, 2013 12:54 PM (xWW96)

410 off pee-guzzling sock

Posted by: Jaws at September 13, 2013 12:54 PM (4I3Uo)

411 Being so broke they can only afford a shitty apartment with a bus stop a mile away, and can't afford a car, car insurance, or gas ... is sold as progress.

Poverty=Wealth

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:55 PM (ZPrif)

412 In lay terms: We're winning both the fights and the battles

You're still fighting the last war...

You really have no clue about how low key infrastructure strikes could paralyze this country.

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 12:55 PM (9MLX+)

413 This post tells me why the patriotic anti-terror folks drink a bottle of Maalox for breakfast.

Good thing the the JEF administration is chock-full of patriotic Americans, yeah?

Oh, no. I understand: Trayvon Martin is an important use of federal resources.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 13, 2013 12:55 PM (VjL9S)

414 *sigh*


LAVROV TO KERRY: "Don't worry' about what I just said
Weekly Standard: http://tiny.cc/vtzc3w

Not going to quote since it's short, but essentially it's the transcript of actual dialogue between the two, through an interpreter. And it goes more or less like this.

LAVROV: Hello.
HORSEFACE: Hello, too.
LAVROV: *lengthy opening statement about how he hopes that he and Horseface will be able to craft a suitable solution to the Syrian problem that is amenable to all sides*
HORSEFACE: Huh? Didn't catch that. What did he say?
LAVROV: *sigh* Never mind.


Just... *throws hands in air*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 13, 2013 12:55 PM (4df7R)

415 Maybe if President Obama and Secraptary Kerry were to have a greater outreach to the Gays and Lesbians interrorist groups things would be better.

Posted by: LaQuisha Jeantell Largess' at September 13, 2013 12:55 PM (IkHXL)

416 @380 Let us take a moment to recall what Chili Palmer told Bear in "Get Shorty" (1995) in the parking ramp scene: "I don't need a f**kin' gun for you."

Posted by: Cretin, moron isotopes becoming high-grade in thousands of cenrifuges at September 13, 2013 12:55 PM (tfSla)

417 #376

Worse, Kalid Sheikh Muhammed invented derivatives and later Mortgage Backed Securities. They got Credit Default Swaps from some long ago commie who was made an unperson by order of Stalin.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 13, 2013 12:55 PM (kcfmt)

418
This is what happens when you allow oxygen thieves like this to continue breathing. It's time to stop handcuffing our military. If CNN can find these f#ckers and interview them, then so can our intelligence agencies. Inform the governments of the countries that they live in they need to turn them over. If they refuse-no more country, period. Unconditional surrender or else.
The UN has never been effective, and diplomacy is overrated. These aren't live and let live kind of people anyway. They want us dead, and I'm willing to return the sentiment. I'm sorry their "innocent" relatives and fellow countrymen will die unnecessarily, but if there's a vote-I vote US!

Posted by: boned to the bone at September 13, 2013 12:56 PM (Ph479)

419 You're still missing the point. You think a successful attack is determined by body counts. In terrorism, true terrorism, it's not.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 13, 2013 12:31 PM (da5Wo)

On this, we agree.

"Terrorists commit their acts not for the benefit of the dead, but for those who remain alive. 'Look at what we’ll do to you and yours,' they say, 'if you don’t do what we want you to do.' They revel in our horror. ... They say, 'yeah, we did it and we’ll do it to you unless you….submit.'"

--me in 2003

Posted by: baldilocks at September 13, 2013 12:56 PM (OApiq)

420 NYC, I presume, already does this. I believe NYC records and stores the movements of every single vehicle 24/7.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 12:56 PM (ZPrif)

421 The call went out for boobehs.

I give you Sophia Loren's boobehs:

http://tinyurl.com/qc4mc66

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 13, 2013 12:56 PM (zF6Iw)

422 329 George Carlin - "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
Posted by: Yosemite Sam at September 13, 2013 12:37 PM (e8kgV)
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And think of how stupid George Carlin was not to know that "the average person" refers to a mode, not a median.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 13, 2013 12:56 PM (C8mVl)

423
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2013/09/13/we-must-elect-this-man-mayor-of-minneapolis/Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 13, 2013 12:47 PM ......................I would vote for him but I'd have to move to Mpls. Which would mean becoming a metrosexual, driving a Volvo or Subaru and wearing north face shit. Not to mention much of it is a liberal hell hole. If we could just get Mpls and Duluth to slide into lake Superior things would be better.

Posted by: Chicken Boss at September 13, 2013 12:57 PM (sUMBr)

424 In lay terms: We're winning both the fights and the battles

***

A good argument could be made that we won the Vietnam War but lost the peace.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 13, 2013 12:57 PM (Hx5uv)

425 396 apparently the secret to Roman concrete was the inclusion of volcanic material Volcanic sand. And it only took us 2000 years to figure it out, if I remember the articles correctly
++++++++++++++
Actually, it was volcanic ash and seawater. Our modern version of this volcanic ash is fly ash.

Posted by: Manolo at September 13, 2013 12:57 PM (PWWdd)

426 Now, you can break a thermometer and make your own fulminate of mercury.
-----------------

Soon, possession of mercury will be outlawed..., probably lead also.

I suspect that if the BATF raided homes, at least 50% of the populace could be charged with possessing 'bomb making materials'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 13, 2013 12:57 PM (aDwsi)

427 They could buy the car, you can still get something that goes and stops in the $1,000 range. What they can't afford is the recurring insurance cost to keep it on the road.

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 12:57 PM (9MLX+)

428 I give you Carolyn Jones:

http://tinyurl.com/nax6nce

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 13, 2013 12:58 PM (zF6Iw)

429
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 13, 2013 12:56 PM

Thank you for teh boobehs, you are too kind! And yes, I still would.

Posted by: Minnfidel at September 13, 2013 12:58 PM (sUMBr)

430 Perhaps the bastard sees the writing on the wall...

Briefing Room ‏@briefingroom 11m
McCain hints at retirement in 2016 http://bit.ly/13X9hvD

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 13, 2013 12:58 PM (DmNpO)

431 new thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 13, 2013 01:00 PM (DmNpO)

432 Good point, Purp.
Just annoyed at all the triumphant articles celebrating carless Gen-Y as progress and not what it obviously is -- young adults poorer than their parents generation.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 01:00 PM (ZPrif)

433 430
Perhaps the bastard sees the writing on the wall...



Briefing Room ‏@briefingroom 11m

McCain hints at retirement in 2016 http://bit.ly/13X9hvD

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 13, 2013 12:58 PM (DmNpO)

I'd rather he retired NOW but I guess we'll take what we can get.

Posted by: joncelli at September 13, 2013 01:00 PM (RD7QR)

434 They're not going to put back a 100+kv tower coming out of Turkey Point in the middle of the glades in a matter of hours.

Maybe not, but I'm pretty sure they'd have it fixed before a national panic broke out.

The big East Coast outage (the one before Sandy) was a major deal, but it's not something a terrorist could've planned or anticipated.

A local outage lasting a day or two? Unlikely to make national news.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 13, 2013 01:00 PM (SY2Kh)

435 I give you Fatima the Goatess:

...bah...nevermind.

Posted by: Achmed the Goat at September 13, 2013 01:00 PM (Dwehj)

436 Briefing Room ‏@briefingroom 13m

McCain hints at retirement in 2016 http://bit.ly/13X9hvD

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 13, 2013 01:00 PM (8sCoq)

437 I'm betting that Lavrov walks out wearing Kerry's class ring.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 13, 2013 01:00 PM (aDwsi)

438 Posted by: RoyalOil at September 13, 2013 12:49 PM (VjL9S)

You f'ers continue to scare the shit out of me. The fact that there's all you crazy engineers that have thought this through in the hours after midnight does three things:

1) Lets me know I'm not the craziest person out there
2) Makes me keep one in the chamber
3) Recognizes that if the govt ever does turn on us, you're going to see the mother of all insurgencies. Oh, buddy... You want to see a govt fall? 72 hours. Max.

As I peruse forums online, go to breakfast at the local heart attack shop, it occurs to me that there's a F ton of not just capable, but brilliant men and women who'd bring a quick, silent (ok, maybe not so silent).. um what's the word? Resolution. To any nonsense that interferes.

You're seeing small push back already in the recall of the two Colorado senators. The commies pumped 10 to 1 the money into those campaigns and they still lost.

The left doesn't get this mindset. They don't understand us.

The Gadsden flag is the perfect symbol for the nation: you won't see us until it's too late. Leave us alone and you'll be fine. F with us and you're going to find yourself face-down with a knee between your shoulderblades and all you'll hear is "mag check. keep your spacing."

Posted by: The Chicken at September 13, 2013 01:01 PM (x3YFz)

439 Northern Ireland had a wunnerful eekonomy durin' The Troubles, didn't she?


Posted by: ButwhaddaIknow? at September 13, 2013 01:01 PM (5aT64)

440 It's like stories in the last 5 years of more people "choosing" tiny apartments instead of the ugly, horrible McMansions their parent's bought.

They didn't "choose" jackshit. They are making the best of being poorer than their parents.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 13, 2013 01:01 PM (ZPrif)

441 Doesn't this seem like a desperate plea by Mr Peepers? They are begging for someone to do some little attacks.

Posted by: Baldy at September 13, 2013 01:02 PM (tyDFN)

442 I used to wonder about that. Marbles are little things but heavy relative to their size and it adds up. 10,000 marbles would be a pretty big volume and far too heavy for one person to carry for more than a short distance.


Smaller ball bearings...

Posted by: rickb223 at September 13, 2013 01:02 PM (8D0/R)

443 430 please let it be true. I despise McYankee so much, hate living here in Arizona being represented by such a retarded fuckhole leftist RINO.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at September 13, 2013 01:03 PM (Kxoqk)

444 Maybe not, but I'm pretty sure they'd have it fixed before a national panic broke out.

Then a week later one goes down in Montana, then a week after that one in Texas, then one in CA, etc, etc.

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 01:03 PM (9MLX+)

445
412 In lay terms: We're winning both the fights and the battlesYou're still fighting the last war...You really have no clue about how low key infrastructure strikes could paralyze this country.+++++++++++++
Actually, I do "have a clue"...and more! Low-key infrastruction strikes can't paralyze the country. That's the stuff of movies. Example: Do you have any idea how much deadly toxin would have to be introduced to a municipal water supply for it to even causean upset stomach?Don't believe the hype: The mullahs would have to pump in tens of thousands of gallons just toovercomebasic rules of chemistry. ...and that's beforecontending with processing. Don't comparethe effect of a downed powerline to your housewithtaking down a grid.It ain't the same and micro teams can't pull it off.

Posted by: Manolo at September 13, 2013 01:04 PM (PWWdd)

446 In Doctor Doolittle there is is an animal with a head at both ends called a pushmi-pullu. I don't know what an animal with a horse's ass at both ends is called.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 13, 2013 01:04 PM (Hx5uv)

447 390 ----
Kerry doesn't understand that he's a diplomat now, not a politician. There is a difference.
Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 12:50 PM (9MLX+)
--------------------
THIS.
Hillary didn't understand that either.
The amateurish incompetence staggers the mind.

Carter had a naive and idiotic foreign policy, but his peeps (like the foolish Cyrus Vance) comported themselves like professionals. Likewise with Madeline Albright.

Obama's diplomats have acted like middle-schoolers.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 13, 2013 01:04 PM (C8mVl)

448 @378 Pretty good stuff, fer sher!
If that was shot where I think it was (isn't that Wirth Lake and Hwy. 55 in the background?) the Minneapolis Park Police will soon be paying him a visit: unauthorized lake use.
I used to think the Park Police worked for the people... but the people want to skinny dip in their lakes, after dark, so why all the hassle?

Posted by: Cretin, moron isotopes becoming high-grade in thousands of cenrifuges at September 13, 2013 01:05 PM (tfSla)

449 I don't know what an animal with a horse's ass at both ends is called.


Posted by: WalrusRex at September 13, 2013 01:04 PM (Hx5uv)

An islamic fantasy.

Posted by: The Chicken at September 13, 2013 01:05 PM (x3YFz)

450 #438: "The Gadsden flag is the perfect symbol for the nation..." Agree: Most people don't know how to properly use contractions.

Posted by: Manolo at September 13, 2013 01:06 PM (PWWdd)

451 It just occurred to me that Obama has done more to de-stabilize the Middle East and return the Russians to a position of influence then any other President. Ever.

Carter *only* lost Iran.

TOP.MEN.

Posted by: East Coaster at September 13, 2013 01:07 PM (U2UQk)

452 449 I don't know what an animal with a horse's ass at both ends is called.Posted by: WalrusRex at September 13, 2013 01:04 PM (Hx5uv) An islamic fantasy.+++++
An IRS employee?

Posted by: Manolo at September 13, 2013 01:07 PM (PWWdd)

453 If Muslim terrorists start having multiple "lone wolf" attacks, American citizens will start running them out of the country, vigilante style.

Our PC government and politicians will still scream about Islam being a religion of peace, but you shut down a few cities and blow up a few classrooms, and you're not going to see many Mosques in the US.



Posted by: McAdams at September 13, 2013 01:12 PM (Ujm0h)

454 #446

Highly electable.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 13, 2013 01:15 PM (kcfmt)

455 453
If Muslim terrorists start having multiple "lone wolf" attacks, American citizens will start running them out of the country, vigilante style.

Our PC government and politicians will still scream about Islam being a religion of peace, but you shut down a few cities and blow up a few classrooms, and you're not going to see many Mosques in the US.

Posted by: McAdams at September 13, 2013 01:12 PM (Ujm0h)


Yep. The good guys can use those tactics, too.

The problem is, if mosques start catching on fire or blowing up, guess who the government will go after? We may end up with the absurd situation where the government is de facto supporting Muslim terrorists against the American people. Which would make the government the enemy as well. That's when things will start to get interesting.

Posted by: rickl at September 13, 2013 01:22 PM (zoehZ)

456 This is a sign of desperation. They are losing in Egypt and Syria is further draining their resources. We need to allow Syria to continue and force Al-Qaeda to pull resources out of areas like Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Africa to join the meat grinders currently running at full tilt. Then we need to start the drones again and take out some more of their leaders. They have made a surge under this administration but they did so with much less and they are running into trouble as Egypt proves.

Posted by: walknot at September 13, 2013 01:23 PM (86zol)

457 Low-key infrastruction strikes can't paralyze the country.

Right. Keep thinking that while some jihadi bolts 3lb of scrap steel to rail lines and derails huge 2mi long freight trains.

How efficient do you think transport would be if every freight train was forced to move at 20mph or so while the roadbed was inspected as it moved?

You literally have no concept of how easy and risk free it is to disrupt this nations transport and power infrastructure.

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 01:34 PM (9MLX+)

458 It doesn't matter what happened to them afterwards, they shut down a city. They shut. down. a city. If they were truly serious and had compatriots in other cities... surely your imagination can fill you in on the rest.
Posted by: KG at September 13, 2013 12:22 PM (p7BzH)

During the Blitz in WWII, bombing raids on London crippled large parts of the city, but only briefly. Rubble was cleared away, the wounded andthe dead treated or buried, and life went on. Cities in Germany and Japan, under sustained bombardment from 1943 onward, kept the trains running, the factories humming, and the people working right up to the very end.

We're in a war regardless of anything our utterly ridiculous President might say. There are going to be casualties, possibly lots of casualties, and I don't know that surrender, either theirs or ours, is in the cards. If we shut down our cities every timethe enemy blows up a bus stationor a basketball game, then we are effectively giving them what they so badly want. We would be doing it to ourselves.

So what's the answer? For one thing, we could keep killing their leaders wherever we find them. For another, we could start toppling those countries bankrolling those assholes--not with the purpose of rebuilding them or giving them a democratic government or any of that higher purpose crap we now know doesn't work, but with the purpose of toppling their governments. Let them sort it out.

Posted by: troyriser at September 13, 2013 01:35 PM (2jF2B)

459 They are losing in Egypt and Syria is further draining their resources.

Clue: Splodydopes and hotheads aren't the same resources you'd use for infrastructure strikes.

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 01:36 PM (9MLX+)

460 This seems appropriate right now: http://tinyurl.com/3byhrbg

Posted by: troyriser at September 13, 2013 01:40 PM (2jF2B)

461
If those kill kit components are spread out over 6 buyers, no flags would ever be raised.

So, one guy, 6 trips to different big box hardware stores, and pays in cash. It just slows them down a bit. But if you're in no particular rush...

I've always thought that had the 20 9/11 hijackers been split up into 10 2 man teams, they could have raised merry hell attacking rail lines, interstate roads, and pipelines.

Would have required more training and preparation, but imagine the fear the could engender had they dropped a couple of bridges out in BFE on your favorite interstate.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at September 13, 2013 01:51 PM (1hM1d)

462 Yea, OBL pretty much went with hothead splodydope types for 9/11. 20 sharp engineers in 2 man teams would still be operating today.

Posted by: Purp at September 13, 2013 01:58 PM (9MLX+)

463 McVeigh and his buddy Nichols amounted to a lone wolf op. OTOH, his defense lawyer wrote about it in a book called, "And Others Unknown". Probably one of those known unknowns.
In the early Seventies I69, crossing I75 near Flint, was destroyed by a gasoline tanker going up on I75 below it. I69 was quite high up, not one of those fourteen-foot clearance crossings.
Took quite a while to build a new one. Cost a lot of money, too. And traffic was a mess. I69 carried a lot of traffic which had to exit and go across I75 on a couple of surface roads already busy with local traffic.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at September 13, 2013 02:46 PM (dmbXR)

464 Posted by: Richard Aubrey at September 13, 2013 02:46 PM (dmbXR)

If Al Qaeda has the capability to take things to a new, nation-wide level (a questionable assumption), then what would happen is what always happen in wartime when a country is under constant, direct attack: disaster response would ramped up proportionately. It would have to be. Cleanup would become more efficient by necessity (and unfortunately by constant practice).

What I'm saying is that the way we would respond would become a matter of routine, however terrible that routine would be. If trucks were blown up on highway chokepoints on a regular basis, then response systems would be put in place to deal with them immediately. The novelty of such attacks would wear off soon enough and we'd go about the business of dealing with them as efficiently as we could. Or we could just give up and allow the country to be paralyzed. Ask for terms--which I wouldn't put past our current President.

Posted by: troyriser at September 13, 2013 05:32 PM (2jF2B)

465 If Islamists start buying up funeral homes, the dead bodies can be disposed of in their incinerators. Not that I want to give them any ideas.

Posted by: Buh-Rock Hussein Al-Bama is pivoting toward the economy too at September 13, 2013 06:47 PM (nbGZj)

466 If they're big and we're small, then we're mobile and they're slow. We're hidden and they're exposed......

Posted by: Brill giving advise to Al Quaida at September 13, 2013 07:19 PM (nbGZj)

467 Security?

The best defense is a good offense.

The only reason why there Islamofascists out there able to dream up ways to attack us is because they've not become enough of a nuisance for us to exterminate them all.

Posted by: Lee Reynolds at September 15, 2013 07:21 AM (0bC+U)

468 Theory:

Iran and elements of the stasi and kgb run Al Qaeda. Al Zawahiri gets okay from this consortium before issuing fatwas. Iranian intel probably writes them. Al Zawahiri and Al Qaeda's attacks bring the heat on the Middle East. Iran decides when it can afford to attack. It like the mob. If Al Qaeda freelances, they cross the boss and risk getting rubbed out. All theory.

Posted by: pc at September 16, 2013 07:04 PM (zeWyX)

469 Someone shot at some substation transformers in San Jose, CAa few months ago. Those are terribly vulnerable and easy targets. Nobody was caught. it may have been a test or just an asshole.

Posted by: Max Entropy at September 16, 2013 07:29 PM (QKYRm)






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