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He's a crank but Nolan Bushell is crapping on Nintendo again


Oh yeah, Microsoft finally announced the release date of the X1. Out on November 22nd

Sony is having a Japanese press conference tonight/tomorrow morning here at 2AM Eastern.

On one hand, quite happy that at least Sony is dipping their toes into VR (since Microsoft is going AR with their Fortaleza glasses) but as someone who plays tons of 3D games and has used a buddies Rift dev kit, I just can't be excited about the actual product due to the console hardware. Outside of dev stuff and giving the initial "WOW" euphoria, 720P just isn't good enough for having the screens that close to your eyes. And if you aim for 1080, then you have to worry about the 3D which under 100-120 FPS (50-60 or so per eye) and the wheels start falling off the illusion. Now there are some cuts you can make without effecting your game like dropping the AA a bit (in my experience, my eyes tend glaze over it if it's not too egregious). But you can't start dropping texture quality, then that completely pulls you out of the experience. And unlike on a PC, you just can't throw in more/better hardware for it to work, you're stuck with what you have. If the PS4 was twice as powerful, they could make a real go with it but it's not.


Well that was quick, I guess Capcom found out that there are a ton of people who still want Blue Bomber games. The totally not a MegaMan clone, Mighty No. 9 by Megaman creator, Keiji Inafune has brought in almost $2 million in funding in just a week on Kickstarter. They blew past their goal in just under two days.


Microsoft says the 360 has about three years left to live......lol. Though next year's release schedule is sparse from everyone, I just don't see this happening. Only three things known at the moment where you can point to extra life on the console: Project Spark, Destiny and TitanFall. After that, there is a whole lot of nothing.


Though considering everything they've shown, I don't think this was a shock but for some people it was. Plants VS Zombies: Garden Warfare is a multiplayer only game


Popcap also talked about what's new in the upcoming Peggle 2, frankly it just sounds like just more of everything which I'm quite pleased with


Minecraft got it's first bit of DLC on the 360 with a Mass Effect skin and texture pack which costs $4


Not the tits you want (Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus) but the TitS you need. Xseed announced that they will be bringing over the PC release of the first Legend of Heroes: Tails in the Sky this winter and the PC/PSP/Vita release of the second game in the series sometime next year. I for one will be double dipping on the first game as I absolutely loved it on the Vita (never owned a PSP) and the sequel is definitely being picked up on me as I want the rest of the games over here.


I played this a month ago and I still don't get it but this is Cookie Clicker which I was told to mention since a lot of people have been talking about it. It's a time waster where you click a cookie and stuff I guess. It's simple so check it out


The PC version of the ULTRA jank but surprisingly fun Deadly Premonition gets a release date. Out on Halloween.


• Well, Ryse doesn't look like complete crap in this video


• In a surprise release, GOG is now selling the frustrating I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream. Would have never expected to see this again as it was mired in IP property hell. It's a pretty good point & click with a decent adaptation of the awesome novella by Harlan Ellison. $5.99 right here

New trailer for the upcoming Shadow Warrior reboot


Microsoft gives the skinny on the new and improved Smart Glass for the X1. Sounds sexy


In news that I'm probably the only one that cares about, Makoto Asada, the dude who spearheaded CAVE's releases on the Japanese 360 has landed with a small group called Mages. He's currently helping them with Constant C and supposedly working on something for the One/360 (conflicting reports) which probably a Visual Novel (it was the last thing he worked on at Cave).


This is awesome, a Cacodemon plush for $15


People are saying it's a lazy game (typical for EA and crossgen) but I'm really surprised in how hard the sales of Madden 25 fell off.

They're bringing out the big guns to get the Japanese interested in World of Tanks as Wargaming.Net has teamed up with hit anime Girls und Panzer to promote the game

Jim Ryan on Gaikai:""So the plan is to begin with North America next year and the plan is to provide a streaming service that will allow for PS3 content initially to be streamed to firstly PS4, then PS Vita and then PS3," Ryan said. "And so that will happen in 2014 in North America initially. Now and I touched upon these issues of broadband in Europe during the presentation Europe is of course on the roadmap for that service to be deployed at some point in the future, but for reasons outside of our control we don't yet have a timeline for it. So at a show which is now pretty global in its reach but primarily aimed at a European audience, we didn't really want to start talking about the virtues of this great cloud-based service without knowing exactly when it'll come to Europe."

New Releases

Amnesia: A Machine For Pigs - As much as I didn't really care for Dear Esther (kept waiting for it to go somewhere), The Chinese Room were in charge of making a loose sequel (from what I read, there isn't any connection to either Amnesia or the quick expansion pack) to the scariest game to come out in the last 8 years or so. Pre-order it at GOG, Steam, or from Fictional Game's website for $15.99 (retail is $20).

Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX - Would have liked them to have included Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days but that was a DS game so you only get a video capping the story from the game. But what you do get are PS3 copies of Kingdom Hearts 1, Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories and one nonsensical story. The games are fun with visiting Disney properties and the gameplay is fun but man, the story. Would have also liked a $30 price tag but that Square/Disney tax. I am curious in with this coming out so late in North America, how are they going to squeeze in the other 2/3rds of the series in HD collections.


The Elder Scrolls Anthology - Obviously this isn't a collection of new games but a nice looking incomplete anthology. Don't know why they didn't throw in Redguard and Battlespire but it does contain freeware Daggerfall and Arena all dosboxed up for you. Is Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim and a collection of paper maps worth $80 to you?

The Puppeteer - Sony hopes for the best after this game bombed pretty hard in Japan and it does look pretty. I've outgrown platformers so I don't know how the actual gameplay looks.

NHL 14 - Another year and another NHL game. I personally would but I've slowed down my purchases in gear of the new consoles but this one they say they added quite a bit to it and the threw in a NHL 94 mode where everything is basic Genesis controls.

that does it for me this week,
The Dude

Comments

1 This thread is super-lame**, why isn't Ace posting about Syria? THERE'S A WAR ABOUT START, PEOPLE, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GAMES?!?



**Except for the Cacodemon plush toy, which is totally fucking awesome.

Posted by: Guy who's kidding about everything except the Cacodemon plushtoy at September 08, 2013 02:33 PM (n/+FT)

2 Amnesia Dark Descent scared the fucking shit out of me. I have zero desire to play The next one. Ok maybe I will....maybe..

Posted by: Zakn at September 08, 2013 02:37 PM (zyaZ1)

3 Dammit! Ace left the key in the time machine again.

Posted by: Andy at September 08, 2013 02:40 PM (li+aS)

4 I would link the Outlast thing Patrick Kleppick posted on Giant Bomb but it's behind a paywall. If you have a sub there, check it out. It's scary as fuck too.

Posted by: Zakn at September 08, 2013 02:40 PM (zyaZ1)

5 I think my son just finished puberty 9 years early...

thanks Horde

Posted by: sven10077 at September 08, 2013 02:41 PM (9jfyN)

6 Wall of TEXT!
And w/o mentioning eve. I'm impressed .
Now, having snarked, Moving on.
I don't know what to make of the 360's lifecycle. MS said some time ago they were hoping for a 10 year lifecycle. That's within their grasp.
I don't think 1-2 more years is entirely out of the question. While I was unaware that Titanfall was going to the 360, Destiny is, as well there are rumors afoot that the next Dragon age game will also hit the 360 sometime next year.
Combine that with the shitty economy (which plays into this to be sure) and I suspect there will still be a market for 360s at least until the end of 2014. Much past that my crystal ball gets a bit shady.

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 02:41 PM (GaqMa)

7 Who is this fanboy who can't seem to resist bashing Nintendo in every gaming post?

Posted by: Jawknee at September 08, 2013 02:42 PM (kkxa3)

8 I bet Dick Cheney games on a PC.

*That guy* isn't wasting any time on consoles, I assure you.

Posted by: akula51 at September 08, 2013 02:43 PM (4p5/2)

9 Am I one minute in the future or one minute in the past?

Posted by: So Confused at September 08, 2013 02:45 PM (Aif/5)

10 8 akula51,

Real men game on the Dick Cheney Industry's Hurricane Machine...


angry birds?

Try Terrified Fucking Birds

Posted by: Cheney, Dick Cheney at September 08, 2013 02:46 PM (9jfyN)

11 New Releases....


Total War: Rome 2

Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2013 02:49 PM (LI48c)

12 The evil Dick Cheney only plays games that involve his Haliburton death squads taking innocent lifes.

Posted by: Kos Kiddy at September 08, 2013 02:49 PM (Aif/5)

13 Who is this fanboy who can't seem to resist bashing Nintendo in every gaming post?

Posted by: Jawknee at September 08, 2013 02:42 PM (kkxa3)

to be fair, the 3DS and the iPad are my current main gaming devices till GTA and Dark Souls 2.

If you have $5, buy Summer Carnival 92 Recca on the 3DS eShop. Its a awesome but extremely hard shmup (made for a contest that had the best players Japan had at that time)

Posted by: The Dude at September 08, 2013 02:49 PM (vJdyz)

14 New Releases....



Total War: Rome 2

Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2013 02:49 PM (LI48c)

that was last week

Posted by: The Dude at September 08, 2013 02:49 PM (vJdyz)

15 13 The Dude,

When Dick Cheney can't use the DCI Hurricane Machine I use my I-Cod...

the added benefit is people thing the war cock can sing.

Posted by: Cheney, Dick Cheney at September 08, 2013 02:50 PM (9jfyN)

16 You know uh Chris Dodd and I gave new meaning to Pole Position

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Eternally Burning Liver at September 08, 2013 02:53 PM (9jfyN)

17 I love my 3ds. Been playing Animal Crossing like crazy.

Posted by: Zakn at September 08, 2013 02:55 PM (zyaZ1)

18 Just want my damn Thorja statue, only a few months till its in my hands

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 02:56 PM (vJdyz)

19 When I have budget for this in a month or so, it's all towards Rome 2, yep. I have to go into blinder mode at this point.

Posted by: akula51 at September 08, 2013 02:57 PM (4p5/2)

20 Now someone did tell the Bears Offensive Coordinator that in American football you only get 4 downs and not 5 like those Canadian fools right.

Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2013 02:58 PM (LI48c)

21 Like the rest of the Total War games, expect for it to play like shit for the next month of patches

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 02:58 PM (vJdyz)

22 wrong thread

Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2013 02:59 PM (LI48c)

23 Fortune cookie say:

"Man who buy drowned cat pay for wet pussy."

Posted by: Low Wang at September 08, 2013 03:04 PM (4u+Q5)

24 Great thread guys. Hottest cosplay girl evah

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 08, 2013 03:07 PM (YNK3y)

25 Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 08, 2013 03:07 PM (YNK3y)


Better pics of her but I can't post those here

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:09 PM (vJdyz)

26 @The Dude,
By the by.
The choice to launch the Xbox One on the same day as the 360 launched, is certainly an interesting one.
I don't think the press they hoped to generate by choosing that date is panning out.
Alternatively, if sellouts are more than likely, launch days may mean absolutely nothing. UK release isn't going to do much for the momentum in US media I suspect, so if MS can successfully steal the buzz and carry it foward to the main holiday buying period, they may make gains in the US market.

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:10 PM (GaqMa)

27 I can't believe Nintendo essentially repeated their follies with the WiiU. I don't see that thing recovering.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 08, 2013 03:10 PM (YNK3y)

28 Fortune cookie say:

"Baseball wrong. Man with 4 balls cannot walk."

Posted by: Low Wang at September 08, 2013 03:10 PM (4u+Q5)

29 Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:09 PM (vJdyz)

You have twitter

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:10 PM (GaqMa)

30 Hey folks, glad this came up.

Have a question for you all, given I'm reasonably certain most of you are far more knowledgeable about the game world than I am. Which company is considered these days the "cutting edge" game producing company, or game tech producing company?

I always thought it was Nintendo that was the far-out company. It just seems that way to me given that for Microsoft Xbox is just one more product on the shelf, and the same with Sony and its PS line.

I am also wondering what is considered to be the "next big thing." I've assumed for a long time now that it's games you play in a 3-D helmet, rather than on a TV screen. Anyway, this should give you an idea how little I know about electronic gaming nowadays, apart from that I've decided I want a PS4 so that I can keep playing Gran Turismo. Cheers. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:11 PM (7B7jB)

31 Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:10 PM (GaqMa)


When your releasing it next to a competitive product, it really doesn't t matter. That being said, I would have announced it during the Thursday football game instead of the day before.

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:13 PM (vJdyz)

32 Oops and forgot to mention:

I also don't trust Microsoft to release nearly as many Xbox Ones as necessary when it comes out this November. Remember the huge backlogs for the 360 a few years ago? Besides generating lots of buzz for the then-new system, I remember reading about folks who paid $800 or more for one on eBay. Ridonkulous.

I just can't believe that the original 360 shortage was an accident. Old story/conspiracy though, I know.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:14 PM (7B7jB)

33 Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:09 PM (vJdyz)

What a tease

Anyone else wondering when the Dota 2 ladder is going to get a ranked option? Maybe it's better it doesn't, I might waste too much time gaining points.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 08, 2013 03:14 PM (YNK3y)

34 Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:13 PM (vJdyz)

Eh, that fuels the crap about MS not caring about the "core gamer" (whatever the fuck that means.)
(Yeah it's terse, sorry, I'm reading Singer's book right now, and I'm having the rage stroke I've usually left for CBD to have over it )

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:16 PM (GaqMa)

35 Oh, and did the new Duke Nukem ever come out?? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:16 PM (7B7jB)

36 27 I can't believe Nintendo essentially repeated their follies with the WiiU. I don't see that thing recovering.


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People said the same about Sony and the PS3. By generations end it outsold the 360. Give it time, these doomsday predictions in gaming circles are always ridiculous and baseless.

Posted by: Jawknee at September 08, 2013 03:17 PM (kkxa3)

37
OT, but can't help saying it.

Watching the 9/11 interview with GWB. Jeez, as much as I disagreed with the man over some of his domestic agenda, you can't help but see what love that man has for this country - unlike Baraka, the Idiot in Chief.

Posted by: Marybeth at September 08, 2013 03:17 PM (zFUKI)

38 35 Oh, and did the new Duke Nukem ever come out?? ;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:16 PM (7B7jB)


Cam out a couple of years ago.....it was really dated

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:18 PM (vJdyz)

39 Posted by: Jawknee at September 08, 2013 03:17 PM (kkxa3)

Yeah, well except the doom and gloom over the dreamcast
And the GameCube....

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:18 PM (GaqMa)

40 Been playing Pikmin 3 in the Wii U. One of the more enjoyable games out right now. Also replaying the Metroid Prime trilogy on the Wii U while I'll anxiously wait for Wind Waker HD.

Posted by: Jawknee at September 08, 2013 03:19 PM (kkxa3)

41 I'll be surprised if the Wii U outsells the GAmecube

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:19 PM (vJdyz)

42 Last question, because I'm an attention whore: what do you suppose are/were the fave gaming consoles and games for the Kaboom Kids?

I'd guess some late-70s variation of Pong and a Magnavox Odyssey. Which, sad to say, although I wasn't a Kaboom Kid, I actually had. (sob) ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:20 PM (7B7jB)

43 Speaking of games, I am really enjoying Neverwinter. Thanks to Anna Puma & Merovign for introducing it to me and to you Dude for keeping gaming in the forefront.

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at September 08, 2013 03:20 PM (YnvJE)

44 Gentlemen, I don't know if you've played Persona 4 (Shin megumi tensei)

But this is the funniest dang thing I've seen in a long time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTrzfivKC9I

There was a compilation video (5 parts) but I can't locate it while on this computer (thanks Google?) it must have been deleted.

Posted by: RiverC at September 08, 2013 03:20 PM (KTytI)

45 Only game I'm interested in on the wii u is The Wonderful 101

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:20 PM (vJdyz)

46 Oh, also posting to check to make sure I am not banned for failing to mention Syria.

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at September 08, 2013 03:21 PM (YnvJE)

47 Oh and REALLY last question:

Why is EVERYTHING in Minecraft shaped like a cube???!!??

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:22 PM (7B7jB)

48 Kaboom Kids did their gaming on a VIC 20

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at September 08, 2013 03:23 PM (YnvJE)

49 Posted by: Jawknee at September 08, 2013 03:17 PM (kkxa3)

I'm showing roughly equal sales on the Xbox360 vs. PS3.
78million or so 360, 75million or so PS3.
US wise, Xbox has had dominance over the last 18 or so months.
There's no question that Sony's crappy start affected its sales (which probably could have topped 90million if they hadn't squandered the good graces of the PS2.)
Sure, the 360 provided more competition than the original Xbox did, but the console market also expanded significantly.

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:23 PM (GaqMa)

50 39 Posted by: Jawknee at September 08, 2013 03:17 PM (kkxa3)

Yeah, well except the doom and gloom over the dreamcast
And the GameCube....


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Did the GameCube kill Nintendo? No....

Posted by: Jawknee at September 08, 2013 03:24 PM (kkxa3)

51
Fortune cookie say:

"Man who buy drowned cat pay for wet pussy."


The Pussy Cat Song. You tube...but prolly not what you'd call 'Safe For Work'.

http://tinyurl.com/nww73cb

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 08, 2013 03:24 PM (0IhFx)

52 Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:23 PM (GaqMa)


And how many of those 360's were multiple buys by one person? I know idiots who bought 3+ 360's because they kept crapping out on them.

Posted by: Jawknee at September 08, 2013 03:26 PM (kkxa3)

53 Why is EVERYTHING in Minecraft shaped like a cube???!!??

Coincidence.

Posted by: The Minecraft Collective at September 08, 2013 03:26 PM (YnvJE)

54 Also, you can see progress on my own game project here

http://grown-gato.tumblr.com


Posted by: RiverC at September 08, 2013 03:27 PM (KTytI)

55 Yeah, I can remember 0daying most of the first iteration of Total War.

And just how frustrating *that* was. Taking my sweet time this time...lol

Posted by: akula51 at September 08, 2013 03:28 PM (4p5/2)

56 This Kaboom Kid did his gaming on an NES and a TRS-80

Posted by: scott at September 08, 2013 03:29 PM (piOfL)

57 48 Kaboom Kids did their gaming on a VIC 20

Got the 'bring us anything' rebate ($25 iirc) on the Pong when I got the VIC 20.

Got the 'bring us anything' rebate ($50 iirc) on the VIC 20 when I got the C-64.

But it wasn't until I got the $400 floppy disk drive - that's when I knew I wouldn't have to suffer through any more Kaboom. I had finally arrived.

Posted by: akula51 at September 08, 2013 03:30 PM (4p5/2)

58 scott, not sure that counts. As I recall it, the NES was considered a sweet setup in the mid-to-late 1980s.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:30 PM (7B7jB)

59 Let's face it, the Kaboom kids didn't have a Nintendo until the SNES was out.

Posted by: RiverC at September 08, 2013 03:31 PM (KTytI)

60 People said the same about Sony and the PS3. By generations end it outsold the 360. Give it time, these doomsday predictions in gaming circles are always ridiculous and baseless.
Posted by: Jawknee at September 08, 2013 03:17 PM (kkxa3)

As tsrblke pointed out, Sony had a huge reservoir of consumer confidence that they essentially pissed on with their bid to control people's lives with a 600 dollar gaming system.

The Wii did well and all, but it's not the same situation.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 08, 2013 03:31 PM (YNK3y)

61 Posted by: Jawknee at September 08, 2013 03:26 PM (kkxa3)
Well heck, I even bought 2 of them myself. And my first one is still kicking in my brother's dorm room.
But I'm not sure I get the point. Sales is sort of a middling statistic.
I agree household placement is probably a better metric, but maybe not, there a shit ton of Wiis all over the US and world, many of them not getting used.
Looking at game sales too (as a sort of substitute) and trying to combine all of this I'd say they consoles finished about neck and neck.
Which, if you think about it, probably shouldn't have happened given Sony's dominance in the previous two generations.
Did Sony "lose" no. Of course not, both did well (and arguably both had different goals, MS being far more focused on the US than Sony) but I think Sony still lost more ground than they should have.

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:31 PM (GaqMa)

62 tsr

It's sales and licensing. The positive feedback loop of people have the console -> companies want to make games -> people get the console because it has good games -> and so on is what feeds console success.

Posted by: RiverC at September 08, 2013 03:34 PM (KTytI)

63 Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 08, 2013 03:31 PM (YNK3y)

The Wii is sorta weird. It punctured 2 new markets that previously really didn't exist.
1: Secondary Console markets. I knew far more people with either a PS3OR an Xbox 360 AND a Wii, far less than those who had both PS3 AND a 360.
2: "New Casual" Gamers: Specifically people in my parents generation. My aunts and uncles (and parents) all own Wiis. They have no interest in this generation though. The Wii was a toy, that's pretty much it, the console wars are beyond them.
so comparing the PS3 to the WiiU really doesn't work, the markets are entirely different.

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:36 PM (GaqMa)

64 So the ps2 ended up doing great because eventually it got a lot of good games and enough units out even though it wasn't initially a smash hit.

Wii's problem was that it relied on what is sort of a gimmick to try to get people who were not usually gamers into games. The trouble was that it wasn't an attractive console for a lot of types of games, which meant it lost the groundswell of backbone games like strategy, rpg, shooters, etc.

Posted by: RiverC at September 08, 2013 03:36 PM (KTytI)

65 akula51: thanks for being living proof that one CAN overcome their Kaboomism, if they just try their hardest. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:36 PM (7B7jB)

66 Only metric that matters IMO is profitability. PS3 wiped out both PSX and PS2 profits and the 360 hasn't made much due to a mix of Robbie Bach being Robbie Bach and the lead solder ban

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:37 PM (vJdyz)

67 Posted by: RiverC at September 08, 2013 03:34 PM (KTytI)

Most definitely true to an extent I think. Games have to sell on said console as well. I think it's why you saw 3rd party Wii games die towards the end there, Wii owners weren't buying them. (My Wife's Wii has been in a box since we moved, maybe even longer.)

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:37 PM (GaqMa)

68 Oh boy, another question:

I'm surprised there aren't more games that are cross-platform. Wonder why that is. I would assume the console companies force it on game designers. Have there ever been any cross-platform hit games, especially in the last 10 years?

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:38 PM (7B7jB)

69 Main problems with the Wii was the lack of support from Nintendo after its first few years and the lowres which wasn't helped by everyone buying 1080 tvs

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:39 PM (vJdyz)

70 to be fair, the 3DS and the iPad are my current main gaming devices till GTA and Dark Souls 2.

If you have $5, buy Summer Carnival 92 Recca on the 3DS eShop. Its a awesome but extremely hard shmup (made for a contest that had the best players Japan had at that time)
Posted by: The Dude at September 08, 2013 02:49 PM (vJdyz)

Wifey got me a 3DS for my birthday.

What an awesome machine.

If they'd only fix the DRM (and if they'd only had a second joystick for first person shooters), you'd have a perfect gaming system.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at September 08, 2013 03:40 PM (93zXY)

71 great thread Dude.

For anyone into aviation, World of Warplanes is in open beta and i am absolutely hooked. F2P but not P2W. Absolutely gorgeous and fun to play!

Posted by: Gandalf'sLoveStaff at September 08, 2013 03:40 PM (OqeDl)

72 Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:38 PM (7B7jB)


Means Sony and MS plays nice with each other......yeah. There are cases where they did console/ PC but they're MMORPGs

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:41 PM (vJdyz)

73 (When I say cross-platform, I mean games available for both PS, Xbox, etc. Am wondering if I should say cross-system instead of cross-platform.)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:42 PM (7B7jB)

74 Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:36 PM (GaqMa)

Huh, I never thought about the "secondary console" bit before, but it's true.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 08, 2013 03:42 PM (YNK3y)

75 Posted by: Gandalf'sLoveStaff at September 08, 2013 03:40 PM (OqeDl)

Is that like Combat Flight Simulator? I keep seeing ads on Facebook, and I love joystick games (I have a Thrustmaster HOTAS), but it looked too good to be true.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 08, 2013 03:43 PM (YNK3y)

76 the dude: hmmm, had forgotten about the PC gaming angle. OTOH it's always seemed to me also like PC gaming is seen as the low-end/back-end of the gaming world, and that the attitude of designers is that the "really serious" players are on the dedicated consoles. Of course I could be very wrong here as well.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:44 PM (7B7jB)

77 Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:37 PM (vJdyz)

MS plays a long game though, so they may just be trying to knock people out.
I think this coming generation will actually define the next one more than anything.
And right now, it's a total f'ing toss up.

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:45 PM (GaqMa)

78 Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 08, 2013 03:43 PM (YNK3y)

Nah, it's World of Tanks style of arcade gaming. If you want a flight sim, best one out atm is the DCS World with its plane modules.

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:46 PM (vJdyz)

79
I ordered the Kingdom Hearts HD game for my daughter and forgot it was coming out in a couple of days. I'm sure she would have reminded me.
I'd better finish playing Last of Us before it gets here because we've only got one PS3 in the house.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at September 08, 2013 03:47 PM (Yx4EH)

80 But what would happen if a designer tried to launch a game for every frickin thing: PC, Gamecube, Xbox and PS3/4? Would Sony/MS/Nin throw a tantrum and say "no, you gotta choose which one of us you love best"? It sure looks that way to me.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:49 PM (7B7jB)

81 I'm glad we got chemjeff hooked on MMOs, that should fill the space where his social life used to be.

I know it did for me.

PS for people into mobile device games, a number of Android emulators for PC have come out recently. I've been playing with BlueStacks, which is free at least during beta, and works fairly well. There are a few others.

Also good for other unusual or unique android apps (that don't depend on the hardware in the phone such as GPS, the phone itself, acceleration sensors, etc).

Just a thought. Also fairly cool to use an android on a 23" screen.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at September 08, 2013 03:49 PM (qyfb5)

82 Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:45 PM (GaqMa)

Yeah, don't think I ever hid the fact that I really don't like the path Sony is going down with a main gaming focus. Gaming is not sustainable on its own. When you only sell say 250 million consoles over an 8 year period, then you need to grow the industry, especially with the razor thin margins

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:50 PM (vJdyz)

83
68 Oh boy, another question:I'm surprised there aren't more games that are cross-platform. Wonder why that is. I would assume the console companies force it on game designers. Have there ever been any cross-platform hit games, especially in the last 10 years?
Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:38 PM (7B7jB)


Assassin's Creed. Batman: Arkham game.

Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2013 03:51 PM (LI48c)

84 Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:49 PM (7B7jB)

Cross Platform games are quite common though.
The last generation was marked by a substantial difference in architecture and abilities between the consoles.
360 was PPC
PS3:Cell
PC: x86/x64
Hell if I know what a Wii was, but it was Low res (which matters)
So, building a cross platform game wasn't entirely easy. My understanding is it was easier to port between the 360 and PC, so you saw a lot of games coming out first for them, and then later for PS3, and finally (maybe) Wii.

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:52 PM (GaqMa)

85 Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:31 PM (GaqMa)

Well I have 2 PS3's too. One for each TV room. The old fat 60gb model is mostly used for netflix why the slim model for games. Granted its nice having two so you don't have to move it around but my basic point is there are a whole lot of 360 gamers out here who bought upwards of 4 360's because of its massive 30% failure rate. I think a better indicator is looking at how many active LIVE accounts there are vs PSN accounts. There are far more PSN accounts.

I do agree that Sony squandered thei customer loyalty. Even I as a long time PSX and PS2 fan was flabbergasted by the PS3's price. I bought a Wii at launch and waited on the PS3 until I could get a better deal.

Posted by: Jawknee at September 08, 2013 03:53 PM (kkxa3)

86

For anyone into aviation, World of Warplanes is in open beta and i
am absolutely hooked. F2P but not P2W. Absolutely gorgeous and fun to
play!


I've been playing around with that. My only complaints....lack of open world 'sandbox' type combat, and the automated gunner positions on bombers.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 08, 2013 03:54 PM (0IhFx)

87 tsrbike: thanks for enlightening me. I admit I'm quite a bit ignorant about the ins-and-outs of the insider gaming world.

Was sitting here trying to answer my own question about why more games aren't cross-platform. It finally dawned on me: I'd assume each console maker would want more of a cut on each game sold, given they've all got to share the revenue. There very well could also be marketing issues (no company wants to advertise for another company's product) and interface compatibility issues. Plus when one console line upgrades and another doesn't, I imagine that creates problems as well.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 03:55 PM (7B7jB)

88 74 Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:36 PM (GaqMa)

Huh, I never thought about the "secondary console" bit before, but it's true.


------

Indeed. I've always been a Nintendo and Sony console consumer. Never 360 and PS. Really poor unless one absolutely has to have Halo and PS exclusives. I personally find more interest in Sony's studios and Nintendo's first party games.

Posted by: Jawknee at September 08, 2013 03:56 PM (kkxa3)

89 MS, if they are successful, will kill consoles. There's already a surge in indie stuff, and specialty gaming such as games with crazy controllers will always be hobbyist stuff. The kinect and all of those can never be 'the next thing' since gaming is by its nature a mental and spiritual activity. If the controls interfere too much with the player's idiom, they become too inflexible and irritating. Even the wii's controller with its motion sensitivity was 'meh'; touch screen games are only okay, and these things move forward only in fits and starts.

To put it another way, you can't play a sophisticated game like Dwarf Fortress with anything less than a keyboard. The history of games is that they always originate in adapting something that is not used for recreation, for recreation. When they are creating specialized tools to create new games for, they have reached the end of a lifecycle.

So I'd bet that touchscreen games are the new thing, not the kinect or wii or any of that.

Posted by: RiverC at September 08, 2013 03:57 PM (KTytI)

90 Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:50 PM (vJdyz)

I don't disagree, but the first places that pop up when someone googles "Xbox one review" are going to be Hard core gaming sites (IGN, Kotaku, etc.)
And those people are going to go with the wailing and gnashing of teeth if you so much as even appear to slight them.
My biggest problem with the Xbox one reveal: Not enough focus on the abilities of the new Kinect.
Everyone Else's "WHERE ARE THE GAMES YOU FUCKERS."
even though E3 was just around the corner, and MS said "games there." Now they've rebounded, but I think the answer is clear, you need to at least appease the hard core gamers or they'll turn on you (but Sony may be going over board.)
Hell the "hard core" gamers even railed against the original Kinect because "not hard core."

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:57 PM (GaqMa)

91 Counting accounts is a horrible way to do it as I've got 4 accounts on my PS3 (US, Hong Kong, Japan and Europe) while I've got only two on my 360 (mine and the household accounts)

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:57 PM (vJdyz)

92 We bought a ps3 as a blueray player.

Posted by: RiverC at September 08, 2013 03:59 PM (KTytI)

93 Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 03:57 PM (GaqMa)

Yeah, I'll agree with the Kinect. Them having to push back Kinect Sports Rivals was a shame and I wish the Fantasia game was coming out before Christmas

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 04:00 PM (vJdyz)

94 Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 03:57 PM (vJdyz)

MS is going to flood the account numbers with Win8 anyway.

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 04:01 PM (GaqMa)

95 Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 04:00 PM (vJdyz)

Finding out the Fantasia game is a Harmonix project makes me wonder if they're even going to do a Dance Central for the Xbox One.
The new Kinect makes the possibilities interesting.
(Interestingly the fantasia game is going to come out for both Xbox's)

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 04:02 PM (GaqMa)

96 Crossing between consoles should not be *that* hard, depending on the dev tools. SOmetimes it just isn 't possible because of that.

Crossing between PC and consoles will piss *someone* off, usually me, because the assumptions required for the game to be usable with the controller and not compatible with use by KB+M, and vice-versa.

Some people have more or less of a hard time with the tradeoff.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at September 08, 2013 04:02 PM (qyfb5)

97 Alls I knows is sometime in 2014, I'll be getting a PS4 and Gran Turismo (XL version or newer, I'm not sure-- maybe I'll splurge on both). And probably a copy of Jeopardy!, just because I'm Kaboomy like that. ;-)

Then we'll see if that turns me into something of an entry-level gamer.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 04:03 PM (7B7jB)

98 The kinect is irrelevant. It's neat and maybe someone will make something useful out of it some time, but until it has a non-gaming use there will be no games for it.

People play these consoles for the games, not for the expensive widgets.

Posted by: RiverC at September 08, 2013 04:03 PM (KTytI)

99 After ALWAYS getting shut out in "Leisure Suit Larry" I've completely lost interest in video games.

Posted by: Whitehall at September 08, 2013 04:04 PM (k876Y)

100 Wii and Wii U are PowerPC. The Wii was a direct modification of the GameCube chip set. Die shrink, clock speed increase, and increased embedded RAM, along with some added bits for wireless and USB.

Wii U's CPU is a newer generation with multiple cores and a substantially newer GPU with a compatibility mode.


Nintendo got it wrong on the price. They could have done far better with calling it Wii HD, leaving the Gamepad as an optional item, and having the price close to $200.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 04:04 PM (kcfmt)

101 Well Harmonix is working on two games atm. Personally wouldn't mind them being bought by MS as they've been doing good work under them

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 04:04 PM (vJdyz)

102 Posted by: RiverC at September 08, 2013 04:03 PM (KTytI)

Non gaming uses like...Controlling the new xbox?
Skyping during an NFL game for fantasy football? (or presumably other sports)

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 04:06 PM (GaqMa)

103 Non gaming uses like...

Allowing Big Brother to monitor what you're doing.

Posted by: buzzion at September 08, 2013 04:07 PM (LI48c)

104 lol if someone doesn't post the picture of John Drake's place after PAX Prime I will.

Posted by: Zakn at September 08, 2013 04:07 PM (zyaZ1)

105 We bought a ps3 as a blueray player.

RiverC: forget gaming consoles. What really annoys me is how difficult it is in the U.S. to get a bluray player that will play movies (both DVD and BR) from *all* international regions, not just Region 1 (which as I understand it is USA and Canada only). Damn studios and their love affair with DRM.

Theoretically it's illegal, but there's no shortage of internet merchants that will sell you a Canadian or tinkered-with BR/DVD player that will play all regions (usually for about double the original retail price of the unit) or other sites that will give you a recipe for "modifying" your current American BR/DVD player (at the risk of killing your machine, of course). Or you can just blow $1000 and get an OPPO brand player, which for some weird reason is the ONLY manufacturer in the USA that has legal permission to sell multi-region players. Aaarrrrggghhh/sigh.

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 04:08 PM (7B7jB)

106 Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 04:08 PM (7B7jB)

Uhh...Well PAL is incompatible with whatever we use in the US.
So it's not all bunk.

Posted by: tsrblke at September 08, 2013 04:09 PM (GaqMa)

107 One dashboard video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b29jUoqHu4

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 04:09 PM (vJdyz)

108 She does it for me too, Dude.


I have no trouble seeing the 360 being marketed for another three years or more. Look at how long the PS2 kept going after the PS3 launch, or farther back, the NES, SNES, and N64. The trick is reaching into the third world and less affluent markets and taking advantage of existing IP.

One big advantage the 360 has over a previous generation is that it doesn't need any retail shelf space for software. The whole library can be accessed as downloads. As the prices drop for the 360 software it will be more and more appropriate for those who find a current machine out of reach.

Also, don't forget Microsoft is still fiddling with the idea of a very low cost 360 that would act as a Netflix or Roku sort of device, and be a backwards compatibility module for the Xbox One. This model would come without an optical drive or game controller, though it would work with the existing controller. When connected to the X1's HDMI In port (don't forget that HDMI also acts as a network link), the optical drive in the X1 can be used for existing 360 games as well as the X1's controllers for input. Whether they could translate the Kinect input to look like the v1 version and allow that software to be used is something to wonder about. They work very differently but I can see how it could be done. The real question would be whether it was worth doing the work in relation to the value of ongoing sales of Kinect v1 software.

Otoh, it may be that the v1 Kinect can greatly reduced in cost and included with this version of the 360.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 04:15 PM (kcfmt)

109 #105

Or you could just use VLC on an HTPC for Blu-ray playback and have the region coding be a moot concern.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 04:16 PM (kcfmt)

110 Epobirs: tell me more?? Never heard of a VLC or HTPC. Sorry. ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 04:20 PM (7B7jB)

111 Also, don't forget Microsoft is still fiddling with the idea of a very
low cost 360 that would act as a Netflix or Roku sort of device


Only downside to this new MS system: no matter how hard you try, you CANNOT remove or block MSNBC from your channel lineup. You're stuck with Maddow forever!!!! ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 04:21 PM (7B7jB)

112 Kinect, unlike a touchscreen, is probably decades away from having a legit use outside of hobbyists, and even then it will probably never have wide use beyond the wealthy or peculiar for anything. It's a dead end.

It is really cool but you know, so was VR in its time.

Posted by: RiverC at September 08, 2013 04:22 PM (KTytI)

113 #106

Not really relevant for HD content. Most TVs sold in UK and Europe had no problem with both legacy PAL and legacy NTSC frame rates.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 04:22 PM (kcfmt)

114 #110

HTPC = Home Theater PC. Typically using a micro ATX or mini ITX board to make a very small machine the fits well in an entertainment center. Will usually de-emphasize CPU horsepower in favor of cool operation to minimize any cooling noise.

VLC is a freeware media player that started out of a French university in the 90s. France has some very different laws about playback licensing and VLC plays DVDs and Blu-rays of all sorts with no consideration for thing like region codes. VLC is also famous for its very diverse support of video files that require significant hassle to playback on typical dedicated devices.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 04:29 PM (kcfmt)

115 Epobirs: thanks!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at September 08, 2013 04:30 PM (7B7jB)

116 Game systems have reached a point of diminishing returns. The goal of graphics always becoming more lifelike has pretty much reached the limits of HD with the XBox 360/PS3.
The enhanced abilities make a lot of sense for multiplayer (which not all of us like), taking physics engines to anal extremes, and large climactic battles (which aren't appropriate to most stories).
So, IF game makers want to convert games to the 360 level, they can mostly do so with very little degradation.

Also, The XBOne isn't (currently) backwards-compatible. Most of us have accumulated quite a library over the past several years, and aren't overly eager to buy a system than only has a couple of games we want to play.
Development costs are such that it's going to take a couple of years for the system to build up a decent library. (And for the price of the system to drop.)
*That* is the point where most casual gamers will be willing to make the switch. (And I fully expect an "update" that makes the XBOne backwards-compatible at that time to sweeten the pot. There's simply no way that Microsoft is actually incapable of writing the code. Indeed, I'd be shocked if they haven't already done so.)

Three years sounds about right to me.

On the other topic, not many people bought a number of 360s. True, there was a horrible failure rate, but MS replaced most failed units. The blowback and prospect of legal action were too high for them not to. I have the Red Ring of Death Achievement, but I've only purchased one 360.
(Although I've been toying with the idea of grabbing another when the XBOne comes out, and I can likely pick one up for a song.)

Posted by: Luke at September 08, 2013 04:37 PM (sl1S5)

117 #112

Kinect is in millions of homes right now and has moved tens of millions of software units. The v2 version included with the Xbox One is a huge improvement and will also have an installed base in the millions by this time next year.

It has already got well beyond hobbyists. Unless you are including the entirety of humanity it is hardly limited to the wealthy. Comparison to VR is nonsensical as that never happened in the consumer sector in any real way. It is only just starting to get going for real with devices like the Occulus Rift. They don't use the term VR much due to the stigma but the idea is still valid. The hardware simply wasn't there. We're now at the point where something decent is in the price point of making it worth pursuing.

It also helps that 3D rendering in gaming is now very common. When VR was first being treated as the Next Big Thing, the average high end gaming system was only on par with a Nintendo DS for 3D rendering. The addition of depth was hardly effective when the images themselves were so crude.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 04:37 PM (kcfmt)

118 One of the links tried to install a virus. Please be careful what you are linking too so that we don't get Malware or viruses. Thanks

Posted by: Kyle P at September 08, 2013 04:41 PM (98fJd)

119 Posted by: Kyle P at September 08, 2013 04:41 PM (98fJd)


o.O which link?

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 04:42 PM (vJdyz)

120 #116

No, the new system don't remotely come close to what an HD screen can produce. Not even what an NTSC display can do. We never came even close to real-time interaction with photorealistic imagery on NTSC. It was easier to ramp up resolution than realism.

There are still huge obstacles in throughput to have a real-time rendering match what is depicted in CGI exercises like Avatar, never mind something that looks like reality. The video boards you can go out and buy today are several multiple ahead of the rendering power that will be in the PS4 and Xbox One, as they need to be within a certain price range compared to high end PC gaming gear.

There is still a vast gap between the state of the art in CG and what we can expect from an affordable consumer device. The goal of the new consoles is to be a substantial upgrade from their predecessors, not to define any new benchmarks for CG quality. Five to seven years from now, what can be put in a console for a $500 launch price will have hugely better looking output on an existing display. The hard part will be in exploiting that at a reasonable development cost for a publisher.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 04:46 PM (kcfmt)

121 #116

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the Xbox One to emulate the 360 or the PS4 to run PS3 games. In fact, Sony has already made it very clear their solution for ongoing sales of PS3 IP to PS4 owners is Gaikai streaming.

Both of the new systems are running at well below 2 GHz, while the CPUs of both the PS3 and 360 ran at 3.2 GHz. This is a really big problem for running any kind of real-time emulation. Even the pre-translated binary approach used to run original Xbox games on the 360 (this is why you needed to download a file the first time you put a particular Xbox game in the 360) would still face a distinct hurdle if the translated code doesn't require about a third less instructions to be processed per second of run time. The FX!32 (the emulator where this was first used to get x86 apps running on DEC Alpha boxes) approach can do great things but it cannot violate the laws of math.

I wouldn't say it's impossible but since the 360 is still widely available (the original Xbox ceased production almost a year before the 360 launched) and likely to have at least one more major hardware revision for cost reduction, any one wanting to play those games will have the option readily available.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 04:58 PM (kcfmt)

122 118 One of the links tried to install a virus. Please be careful what you are linking too so that we don't get Malware or viruses. Thanks
Posted by: Kyle P at September 08, 2013 04:41 PM (98fJd)

119 Posted by: Kyle P at September 08, 2013 04:41 PM (98fJd)


o.O which link?
Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 04:42 PM (vJdyz)

Yeah, that information would be kinda helpful.

Posted by: BornLib at September 08, 2013 05:00 PM (zpNwC)

123 hmm rechecked the links twice and not seeing anything with a virus.

If anyone sees anything, speak up as I don't see anything on two of computers

Posted by: The Dude at September 08, 2013 05:01 PM (vJdyz)

124 OTOH, running original Xbox games on the Xbox One should be really, really easy. The Nvidia GPU will need to be emulated, as many games talked to it directly rather than sticking to the DirectX APIs, but Microsoft has a license for this already from the emulator on the 360 and a Nvidia to ATI code base to start with.

Some games, like Halo, have already had an HD remake on the 360 but it there are several dozen really good games whose owners would likely be thrilled at being able to sell them to Xbox One owners with very little effort on their part.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 05:19 PM (kcfmt)

125 40 Been playing Pikmin 3 in the Wii U. One of the more enjoyable games out right now. Also replaying the Metroid Prime trilogy on the Wii U while I'll anxiously wait for Wind Waker HD.

--Yep, Pikmin 3 is awesome. Hopefully more people discover the Wii U, as it's a nice little system, and learn to appreciate what Nintendo is bringing instead of just reflexively bashing them because they do their own thing and don't just copy Sony/MS.

Posted by: Chris at September 08, 2013 05:20 PM (LD6tU)

126 Pikmin 3 review by Zero Punctuation.

http://tinyurl.com/qj3w3mv

NSFW for language.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 05:28 PM (kcfmt)

127 Thanks for the thread, Dude.

On inflated stats for the XBox 360 - I have a friend who is on his 4th one. I helped him do the penny heatsink chip on a white one (2nd one), and his black one died within the last year, which made him decide to get the Halo 4 XBox360 bundle.

In hindsight, I think one or more of his dead boxes should have been under warranty, but I don't think he's as cost conscious a gamer as I am, so is willing to throw money at MS instead of demanding a working product.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2013 05:39 PM (Q80i9)

128 Well, I'm off. I located all of my Atari Jaguar stuff this morning and I'm going to sell it. Unless I win the lottery I just cannot afford to keep a video game museum in storage anymore.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 05:40 PM (kcfmt)

129 Hopefully more people discover the Wii U, as it's a nice little system, and learn to appreciate what Nintendo is bringing instead of just reflexively bashing them because they do their own thing and don't just copy Sony/MS.

Posted by: Chris at September 08, 2013 05:20 PM (LD6tU)



One of the Penny Arcade guys was raving about how the Wii U's allowed a very different co-op experience in Rayman Legends. Here's hoping Nintendo and 3rd party devs can tap into the asymmetric potential there.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2013 05:41 PM (Q80i9)

130 more comments than I expected considering it's kickoff weekend

Posted by: The Dude at September 08, 2013 05:42 PM (vJdyz)

131 That BBC article is really bad. Nolan Bushnell hadn't been connected to Atari for over 12 years when the Jaguar was launched. The Atari of 1992 was a fly speck compared to Nintendo and had a severe resource shortage. Consequently, the Jaguar chip set had some severe bugs, some of which were never corrected. So it never worked as intended and a lot of developers gave up on their projects for something safer. It never really had a chance, though some nifty stuff was done on it and it had a lot more power than anything else you could buy in 1992.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 05:43 PM (kcfmt)

132 #129

It's very similar to what they did in Mario Bros. Wii U. It's the one area where the Gamepad really does something useful. The problem is, they could do the same thing using a 3DS, or a Vita on the PS3 or PS4, and just about any iOS or Android device via SmartGlass.

This is where Nintendo went badly wrong on the Wii U. Forcing you to buy a crippled tablet made the price too high compared to past Nintendo consoles.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 05:48 PM (kcfmt)

133 Eh, Nolan Bushnell is a crank who is too far removed from the actual workings of the business. I'd partially be lying if I didn't say it was mainly there so I could post the photo

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 05:50 PM (vJdyz)

134 This is where Nintendo went badly wrong on the Wii U. Forcing you to buy a crippled tablet made the price too high compared to past Nintendo consoles.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 05:48 PM (kcfmt)


The flip side is that it can be better tapped by game devs if it's baseline.

I had a little bit of fun with the GBA + Gamecube set up with FF: Crystal Chronicles. Only played it once because of the hassle with setup and whatnot.

Impractical to build a game that depends on an optional 2nd console.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2013 05:58 PM (Q80i9)

135 Impractical to build a game that depends on an optional 2nd console.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 08, 2013 05:58 PM (Q80i9)


The biggest reason why I wish the camera was bundled with the PS4

Posted by: The dude at September 08, 2013 06:06 PM (vJdyz)

136 Siliconera.com was the site that tried to install.

Posted by: Kyle P at September 08, 2013 06:31 PM (98fJd)

137 "Eh, Nolan Bushnell is a crank who is too far removed from the actual
workings of the business. I'd partially be lying if I didn't say it was
mainly there so I could post the photo"

Having known Nolan for many years, he's far closer to the actual workings of the business than you appreciate.

Posted by: Guy Who Works In The Industry at September 08, 2013 07:59 PM (/FnUH)

138 Eh? Total War: Rome 2 came out last week. Syria is up for grabs!

Posted by: Julius Caesar at September 08, 2013 08:53 PM (2orMQ)

139 #134

Unless the probability is reliably very that someone who owns one is likely to own the other.

Or just owns anything. SmartGlass will work with iOS, Android, Windows, Windows RT, and Windows Phone. The likelihood of someone inclined to buy an Xbox also owning a phone or tablet using one of those operating systems is very high indeed.

And then there is cost mitigation. One reason there are so few games with local multiplayer beyond players is that few people want to shell out for all of those controllers. SmartGlass on the Xbox One will allow up to 16 devices to be used at a time. Using the phones that everybody already has is far more practical than expecting them to bring a controller from home if they have the same machine, or for the host to own a large number of expensive controllers.

Posted by: Epobirs at September 08, 2013 09:57 PM (kcfmt)

140 The DBS household has had 2 Xbox 360's since the launch. We've gone through 7 units because of various failures (mostly RROD). I pre-ordered a couple of PS4's, but I'll probably get an XB1 by Christmas 2014.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at September 08, 2013 10:24 PM (Yx4EH)






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