Top Headline Comments (9-3-13)

Back to work!

Posted by: Andy at 06:51 AM



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DAY 300

1,161 to go (1,234 to Inauguration Day 2017)


Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 03, 2013 06:52 AM (WjLUf)

2 Onward and upward!

Posted by: AE at September 03, 2013 06:52 AM (HYceo)

3 I want some Kafka waffles to bait my Kafka traps!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 03, 2013 06:53 AM (WjLUf)

4 And here I thought the ONT had died prematurely.

Posted by: epobirs at September 03, 2013 06:53 AM (kcfmt)

5 I am not buying the bait and switch that suddenly Mr. Obama's credibility is synonymous with "our" credibility and therefore we have to strike Syria.

Oh and Congress makes a nice scapegoat.

And did I miss something? Are McCain and Graham now the Republican leaders? And something I've pondered for a long time-- do they share a very small brain together?

Posted by: Marcus at September 03, 2013 06:56 AM (GGCsk)

6 I find it slightly more than a little ironic that McStain and Graham-cracka are leading the charge to save SCOAMF's ass.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 03, 2013 06:57 AM (WjLUf)

7 ....or not. Enjoying one more day of vacation. Morning, all!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2013 06:57 AM (UsjVC)

8 Marcus, hopefully this vote will be a nice clarifying moment that McCain and Graham are leaders of no one.

Posted by: Jose at September 03, 2013 06:58 AM (zc/sw)

9 Over in the House, Mike Rogers is lining up with team SCOAMF. Sheesh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 03, 2013 07:00 AM (WjLUf)

10 It should be obvious that the GOP as an entity is no longer an independent opposition party; its actions reveal that it is now merely a wing of the Democrat Party.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 03, 2013 07:01 AM (WjLUf)

11 >>And did I miss something? Are McCain and Graham now the Republican leaders?

I had the same reaction: since when do these two represent the Republicans in the Senate? I'm really starting to hate them.
Also, my 80 yr old mom's theory is they're lovers (*snort*).

Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2013 07:01 AM (UsjVC)

12 11 Also, my 80 yr old mom's theory is they're lovers (*snort*).
Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2013 07:01 AM (UsjVC)

Levin refers to them as "same-sex senators."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 03, 2013 07:03 AM (WjLUf)

13 Back to work. Blech. Morning all.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2013 07:06 AM (8D0/R)

14 so, it appears marple got her wish. Ace couldn't even take it easy on a sunday night.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at September 03, 2013 07:08 AM (zZJJp)

15 CC Online Poll: Should Congress give President Obama authority to attack Syria?

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/09/cc-online-poll-should-congress-give_3.html

Posted by: Steve at September 03, 2013 07:09 AM (xZPp3)

16 Thanks for the no French thread!

Posted by: ExPat Patriot at September 03, 2013 07:11 AM (MBE5W)

17 Thanks for the no French thread!

Posted by: ExPat Patriot at September 03, 2013 07:11 AM (MBE5W)

18 I understand the same sex senators are retards and fuckheads but I'm trying to figure out what goddamn brain slug crawled into the skull of Bill Kristol and is now chomping away.

Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone at September 03, 2013 07:15 AM (Upj7+)

19 War is never isolated. It's not sterile and precise. In fact, if we've learned anything it's messy, unpredictable and costly.

I supported the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I don't support this action. It's the result of extreme naivete and incompetence. Anyone who didn't see where this President's policies were leading is a fool.

I am not about to watch my family, friends and neighbors die or suffer the consequences of war because of Mr. Obama's personal folly. He ignored any sage, measured advice and instead chose utopian political ideology.

He "looks like a fool" because he is one. Reap what you sow.

Posted by: Marcus at September 03, 2013 07:16 AM (GGCsk)

20 Morning, ‘rons and ‘ronettes. After skimming over the weekend posts. . .boy, I’m glad I pull out on Friday afternoon. Somebody let me know what I can’t make jokes about anymore, would you (I did catch that anything about Mooch is off-limits)? I think in my time here I’ve already pissed off Ace enough that one more slip will call forth The Mighty Banhammer (or “Banhammah,” as we say in Massachusetts).


Anyway –


Last week I was asked for a Deborah Kerr story. At the moment, I don’t have one as such, but Kerr is a good example of the sort of genteel blackmail that the major studios engaged in when it came to their top players. Twentieth Century-Fox, for example, kept June Haver, a blond dancer of moderate competence, as a backup for Betty Grable if Grable got to big for her britches. Warner Brothers had, at various times, Ida Lupino, Faye Emerson and Martha Vickers as replacements for Bette Davis, and MGM brought Kerr over from England just to remind Greer Garson that the world did have other porcelain-skinned redheads.


Some stars, of course, were impossible to replace, but they tended to be males – John Wayne, Clark Gable, William Powell come to mind – yet even they could be subject to pressure, being given punk scripts or loaned out to cheaper studios as a way of bringing their egos to heel.*


And sometimes The Star Machine (as writer Jeannine Basinger calls it in her marvelous book) completely backfired. Howard Hughes was determined to make Jack Beutel the star of his Western The Outlaw, but it was Jane Russell who stole the movie. Sam Goldwyn spent thousands of dollars and several films trying to turn Ukranian actress Anna Sten into the next Garbo, but it didn’t take.** And poor Herbert Yates of Poverty Row’s Republic Pictures dedicated his life to turning a Czechoslovakian skater named Vera Hruba Ralston into a top star.***


Not that it has anything to do with what I’ve just told you, but here’s a Billy Wilder story:


Although we recognize Sunset Boulevard as a masterpiece, its combination of dark humor, grand opera theatrics and bleakness was seen as a poisoned valentine to Hollywood. In its treatment of innocent Susan Olsen, desperate William Holden and cocooned Gloria Swanson, it exposed the heartlessness of the movie business as no other film had before.


Louis B. Mayer, the powerful head of MGM, saw this. Or at least, he thought he did. At the movie’s premiere (some say it was a private showing arranged by Paramount), Wilder came out of the theater to see a short, stout man in the middle of a crowd, haranguing them at the top of his voice. As Wilder came closer, Mayer recognized him and blasted a torrent of abuse Wilder’s way, ending with, “You have disgraced the industry that made and fed you! You should be tarred and feathered and run out of Hollywood!”


Wilder was almost never speechless, but this reaction dumbfounded him and he could only reply, “Go fuck yourself!”


A few years earlier, that would have ended Wilder’s career. But the great and powerful Mayer was on his way out, soon to be shoved aside for producer Dore Schary. Wilder, however, continued on.


And that’s it for today. Hope you all have a wonderful day.


*Gable is the perfect example here; MGM loaned him to cheapo Columbia in order to punish him for intractable salary negotiations. The last laugh was on Gable, though, since Columbia’s film was It Happened One Night.


**Her derisory nickname was “Anna Stench.”


***“Vera who?” you ask. Exactly.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 03, 2013 07:18 AM (zF6Iw)

21 I just continue to struggle with the idea that Asad would gas those folks when he had mostly crushed the rebellion. He may be evil, wicked, bad, and nasty, but, I do not think he is particularly stupid. There was no upside in such a move for him.

I also struggle with the cringe worthy spectacle of John Kerry as a hawk. The North Viet Namese leaders were horrible and ruthless people and just for the Hanoi Hilton alone should have been bombed back to the Stone Age, so for a war where he managed to earn three Bandaids, er, Purple Hearts, he chose to check the box marked No Outrage and actually pimp for those monsters?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at September 03, 2013 07:19 AM (kXoT0)

22 Busy day for Obama - ang he has to get up era;y, too!

9:45 am || Meets with members of Congress; Cabinet Room
12:30 pm || Lunch with Biden
8:30 pm || Departs White House for Stockholm, Sweden

Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2013 07:21 AM (UsjVC)

23 Saturday's celebrity birthdays:

Caligula (all in the family)
Commodus (am I not merciful?)
Fredric March (http://youtu.be/ECITwTYSIsg )
Arthur Godfrey (Buy 'em by the carton - oh shit I'm dying - don't smoke)
Eve Smith (grew a new kidney)
Richard Basehart (idolized by a big purple robot)
G. D. Spradlin (breaking points)
Buddy Hackett (NSFW http://youtu.be/91Q8AXI-QcE )
James Coburn (cellofaced by Matthau)
Noble Willingham (http://youtu.be/bKmJ-xD_Xt0 )
Eldridge Cleaver (180)
Frank Robinson (586 HR)
Anthony Call ("We've got phaser weapons; I vote we blast it.")
Van Morrison (http://youtu.be/kqXSBe-qMGo )
Itzhak Perlman (http://youtu.be/16XQTpm_OIk )
Richard Gere (middle name: Tiffany)
Kim Kashkashian (double take)
Andrew Cunanan (roasting)
Debbie Gibson (http://youtu.be/qf8BoWKeHow )
Chris Tucker (annoying)

Posted by: Gran at September 03, 2013 07:21 AM (mw0FO)

24 Has anybody questioned McRINO on the mooooslim brotherhood staffer the WSJ has reported is on his staff (there might be more than one)? Not that the quisling idiot needs much prompting to do the wrong thing.

Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone at September 03, 2013 07:21 AM (Upj7+)

25
Sunday's celebrity birthdays:

Edgar Rice Burroughs (Martians & monkeys)
Yvonne De Carlo (really hot under the makeup)
Rocky Marciano (undefeated)
Sunny von Bülow (a.k.a. Choo-Choo)
Ann Richards (signed an anti-sodomy law)
Conway Twitty (http://youtu.be/Og1QRtcWdEY )
Ron O'Neal ("What is this, some half-assed Princeton debating society?")
Alan Dershowitz (coming around?)
Lily Tomlin (ringy dingy)
Judy Levitt ("Bill, are we talking about mothballing Starfleet?")
Barry Gibb (the last one)
Mary Louise Weller (nametag hostess)
James Rebhorn (7x Law & Order appearances)
Dr. Phil McGraw (gee, thanks Oprah)
Gloria Estefan (failed to learn)
Marcos Ambrose (Nine)
Adam Gadahn (oh c'mon, tough guy, just stick your head out once)

Posted by: Gran at September 03, 2013 07:21 AM (mw0FO)

26 @19. "Reap what you sow."

Still waiting to hear from Code Pink.

Posted by: Case at September 03, 2013 07:22 AM (o00SF)

27
Monday's celebrity birthdays:

Georg Böhm (http://youtu.be/YaK_kERIWOo )
Liliuokalani (end of the line)
Albert Spalding (sporting goods magnate)
Arnold Greenberg (iced tea magnate)
Michael Dante (short reign)
Peter Ueberroth (reinstated Mickey & Willie)
Billy Preston (Beatle 5)
Terry Bradshaw (javelin technique)
Christa McAuliffe (a brave lady)
Rosanna DeSoto (good Klingon accent)
Jim DeMint (stalwart)
Mark Harmon (gun grabber)
Keanu Reeves (over?)
Salma Hayek (over?)
Amanda Marcotte (joke)

Posted by: Gran at September 03, 2013 07:22 AM (mw0FO)

28
Today's celebrity birthdays:

Ferdinand Porsche (Beetles and buzz bombs)
Kitty Carlisle (http://youtu.be/QuBdwX50Dp4 )
Alan Ladd (didn't come back)
Dixy Lee Ray (WA Gov #17, took on the greenies)
Irene Papas (confronted Jeff Goldblum)
Whitey Bulger (going away)
Eileen Brennan (trained Goldie)
Al Jardine (http://youtu.be/32srqWL4jHo )
Valerie Perrine (please don't nuke my mom, Lex)
Steve Schirripa (played with trains)
Merritt Butrick (square peg)
Charlie Sheen (still winning)
Jeremy Glick (hero)

Posted by: Gran at September 03, 2013 07:22 AM (mw0FO)

29 G'mornin

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at September 03, 2013 07:23 AM (MnSla)

30 Someone tell Barky we don't have a dog in this barbeque.

Posted by: bigred at September 03, 2013 07:24 AM (OsheA)

31 Oh, and one more thing, those photos of Obama with his foot up on the Resolute desk as he lobbied Congress made me apoplectic. He truly has no respect for the Office--NONE.


Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at September 03, 2013 07:24 AM (kXoT0)

32 Assad had reason. Obama shot his mouth off about regime change AND chem weapons. Assad delivered a threefer. Assad has to keep Putin happy, not JEF.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 03, 2013 07:29 AM (PrDJQ)

33 Doubt we'll hear from Code Pink - they've worked with Hamas, Hezbollah, the Taliban, Sunni terrorists in Iraq and the father of Islamic terrorism: the Muslim Brotherhood. One of the founders, Jodi Evans, is a BIG Obama supporter.
They're not anti-war - they're anti-America.
http://tinyurl.com/mxbhszo

Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2013 07:29 AM (UsjVC)

34 Tommy Morrison was still alive?

Yeah, any time a sob article tells you how much a guy was a womanizer, you pretty much know he was into the dudes.

Very very very few men ever get HIV from sex with women... and yet we're supposed to believe that's how all these celebs got it.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2013 07:29 AM (BeSEI)

35 I've asked before - if Saddam gassing the Marsh Arabs wasn't a good enough reason for us to invade, why is Assad's use of poison gas suddenly the clarion call to arms?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 03, 2013 07:30 AM (zF6Iw)

36 Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2013 07:29 AM (UsjVC)

Don't forgetthey were running guns to the Iraqis during the war. Dubya's greatest failure was in not hanging every one of those hags.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 03, 2013 07:31 AM (zF6Iw)

37 Sherry, the foot on the Resolute desk photos happen so often it has to be intentional. Just haven't figured out if it's general disrespect, or if it's more of that Middle East foot/shoe contact that is meant to be such an insult (like throwing a shoe at Bush, beating statue of Saddam w/a shoe).
It makes my blood boil.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2013 07:31 AM (UsjVC)

38 Morning!

All y'all have pretty much summed up my views of the McCain/Graham pow wow with the SCOAMF..

King Putt is scraping the bottom of the barrel with those two.

And, speaking of Congressional leaders, where's Pelosi? She usually doesn't pass up a chance to blindly rubber stamp any hairbrained scheme Obama puts forward. Methinks passing this resolution is gonna be harder than the MFM makes it out to be.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 03, 2013 07:32 AM (AYOav)

39 Very very very few men ever get HIV from sex with
women... and yet we're supposed to believe that's how all these celebs
got it.


Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2013 07:29 AM (BeSEI)

The common wisdom here in Tulsa, where he is from, is that it was drugs that gave him. He was known to struggle with that. I have no dog in the fight either way.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at September 03, 2013 07:32 AM (kXoT0)

40 Ack! Torally forgot that, MP3! Those women are ugly to the core.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2013 07:33 AM (UsjVC)

41 Sherry, the foot on the Resolute desk photos happen
so often it has to be intentional. Just haven't figured out if it's
general disrespect, or if it's more of that Middle East foot/shoe
contact that is meant to be such an insult (like throwing a shoe at
Bush, beating statue of Saddam w/a shoe).
It makes my blood boil.


Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2013 07:31 AM (UsjVC)

To me it is just another example of a mannerless whelp raised by a committee of third world sympathizers and actual third worlder.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at September 03, 2013 07:34 AM (kXoT0)

42 Sorry, should've been third worlderS--there was more than one.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at September 03, 2013 07:35 AM (kXoT0)

43 Yvonne de Carlo (really hot under the make-up)
Yep. One of the all time beauts imo.

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at September 03, 2013 07:35 AM (BfZ1r)

44 I'm all typos today - need coffee.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2013 07:36 AM (UsjVC)

45 I've asked before - if Saddam gassing the Marsh Arabs wasn't a good enough reason for us to invade, why is Assad's use of poison gas suddenly the clarion call to arms?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 03, 2013 07:30 AM (zF6Iw)

Because, this time, Obama has stamped hims widdle foot in a wildly abandoned display of machismo.
I actually think this whole exercise is a show down with Putin. Obama knows that Putin is a true Strong Man who despises him and shows him massive amounts of disrespect--so massive in fact, that clueless Obama finally got the message.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at September 03, 2013 07:38 AM (kXoT0)

46 >>And, speaking of Congressional leaders, where's Pelosi? She usually doesn't pass up a chance to blindly rubber stamp any hairbrained scheme Obama puts forward. Methinks passing this resolution is gonna be harder than the MFM makes it out to be.

She was one of the first to come out in favor or bombs away.

Somehow, our incurious msm forgot that it was Pelosi who went to Syria in 2007 in direct opposition to President Bush's request as Syria was acting as a staging zone for terrorists into Iraq. She claimed that she was on a mission to aide the peace process between Syria and Israel. Oddly enough, it didn't work.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2013 07:38 AM (g1DWB)

47 I'm all typos today - need coffee.


Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2013 07:36 AM (UsjVC)

Same here...need coffee and something for this headache.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at September 03, 2013 07:39 AM (kXoT0)

48 Somehow, our incurious msm forgot that it was Pelosi who went to Syria in 2007 in direct opposition to President Bush's request as Syria was acting as a staging zone for terrorists into Iraq. She claimed that she was on a mission to aide the peace process between Syria and Israel. Oddly enough, it didn't work.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2013 07:38 AM (g1DWB)


A President Poppins would have immediately had her passport revoked and put every airport or harbor on alert that the treasonous scrunt was not to be let back into the country. And if, somehow, she did make it back, it's PMITA prison time.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 03, 2013 07:42 AM (zF6Iw)

49 Watched 'Sum of all Fears' again last night. How the USA and Russia nearly stumble into nuclear war when Russia is accused of gassing civilians. Things begin to degenerate from there.

Maybe Barack oughta put it on his Netflix queue.

Noticed -- according to Drudges poll Syria action is 92% against to 8% for.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 03, 2013 07:42 AM (U2UQk)

50 No, of course we won't hear from Code Pink, their guy is in the White House. And of course no one from the MFM will track down one of the CP supporters and ask them "WHY" they are not protesting.

Posted by: Case at September 03, 2013 07:44 AM (o00SF)

51 I have a rough two whole days of work this week before I'm off on vacation for the rest of this week and all of next. I know, I know, my life, so hard.


On the DEA subpoenaing records from ATandT, I have a somewhat different initial response than most people, I think. In a prior work existence, I worked for a personal injury firm and we handled major accidents. It became office policy to file suit within 30-60 days of the accident so that we could get court issued subpoenas to the cell phone carriers for call data. If we waited until suit was filed and discovery commenced, the response from the telecom would generally be that the records had been destroyed as part of routine records retention procedures. I believe that the standard was anywhere from one to two years for retention. Now it turns out that ATandT may have been point blank lying about that. That's nice. Seriously, if I were still in that line of work, I would be heading back to court this week with updated subpoena requests for every single case the firm had.

Which brings up that guy on death row who claims he's innocent and his lawyer says that the cell records will prove his alibi but the carrier claimed the records were destroyed. Were they? No, seriously, were they? Because it certainly appears at least possible that they weren't.


*downtwinkles this ride* *downtwinkles so hard*

Posted by: alexthechick - Team SMOD at September 03, 2013 07:46 AM (Gk3SS)

52
From 1999
The House of Representatives' surprising refusal to support the NATO bombing campaign stirred partisan rancor Thursday and raised new doubts about American resolve to prosecute the war against Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic.
Recriminations resounded on Capitol Hill in the wake of the 213-213 vote, but the import of the action was undeniable: The conflict in Yugoslavia is unpopular with an overwhelming majority of Republicans and a small but significant minority of Democrats, even if Congress ultimately puts up the money for the war.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 03, 2013 07:47 AM (R8hU8)

53 Has anybody questioned McRINO on the mooooslim
brotherhood staffer the WSJ has reported is on his staff (there might be
more than one)?

Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone at September 03, 2013 07:21 AM


No, and no one has asked John F'n Kerry about his cozy little dinner with Eeeevil Bashar back in '04, either. Ditto others who, when Dubya wanted to take action vs. Syria, were ranting and screaming about how Junior Assad was really a good guy and Bush should be attacked instead.

(As a side note, just reread Shirer's Rise And Fall of the Third Reich. Some of the parallels between the guy who was running things in 1930s Germany and Choom Boy are downright startling. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it, all right....

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 03, 2013 07:52 AM (kaGpp)

54 Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 03, 2013 07:47 AM (R8hU


Great post. History does repeat itself.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at September 03, 2013 07:53 AM (XIxXP)

55 TFG's schedule allows for thirty six holes today, I see.

Posted by: MTF at September 03, 2013 07:58 AM (qf2kI)

56 Hey MP4:

Mentioned last week but IMHO, Billy Wilder is arguably one of the top 5 best directors, if not THE top. His ability to direct many different genres and create some of the finest films in each is the reason. The notable exception being westerns, which I do not think he ever attempted.

And then there's "Stalag 17..."

AT EASE!!!!!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 03, 2013 08:00 AM (WjLUf)

57 I can't understand McCain's logic. The only way to serve American interests in Syria is to take over the damn country, install a puppet, and put in a permanent garrison, just like Rome or Britain used to do with unruly neighbors. Otherwise all we're doing is avenging dead Syrians by killing more Syrians.

Posted by: Caliban at September 03, 2013 08:03 AM (DrC22)

58 Mornin' all. I see I missed some interesting times over the last few days. Just got back from CT for my brother's wedding. I think I have every Veggie Tales song memorized from the drive up and back. Kept the little one occupied though.

Posted by: Mainah at September 03, 2013 08:05 AM (659DL)

59 57 We'd also be unleashing chaos and instability in the entire region. So there's absolutely no upside here.

It's almost as if Obama and his supporters WANT to throw us all into WWIII.

Posted by: elaine at September 03, 2013 08:05 AM (4Mzrt)

60 53 (As a side note, just reread Shirer's Rise And Fall of the Third Reich. Some of the parallels between the guy who was running things in 1930s Germany and Choom Boy are downright startling. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it, all right....
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 03, 2013 07:52 AM (kaGpp)


There is one major difference; whilst Schikelgruber was busy arming himself to the teeth, King Putz is hollowing out our military to a dangerously weakened level. It will take decades to get back to where we should have been, and with the Chi-Coms seemingly on the rise and emboldened, we are in for some nasty shit.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 03, 2013 08:07 AM (WjLUf)

61 Mara Zebest, guest blogger @ Gateway Pundit

http://tinyurl.com/jwz29rd

/ tar and feather her, then banish?

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 03, 2013 08:07 AM (MhA4j)

62 49 Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 03, 2013 07:42 AM (U2UQk)


SCOAMF = The Scum of all Queers.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 03, 2013 08:08 AM (WjLUf)

63 I don't know what demons the North Vietnamese pounded into John McCain's head, but he's been pretty trigger happy lately.

I remember during his presidential campaign he was bragging about sitting on a carrier off the coast of Cuba during the Cuban missile crisis.

“I was on board the USS Enterprise. I sat in the cockpit of a flight deck on the USS Enterprise off of Cuba. I had a target. My friends, do you know how close we came to nuclear war?"

Almost as if he missed his big chance.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at September 03, 2013 08:10 AM (U2UQk)

64 @55. "TFG's schedule allows for thirty six holes today..."

priorities, very important.....doing too much is above his pay scale

Posted by: Case at September 03, 2013 08:10 AM (o00SF)

65 51 -

Some days I fear everything we do is tracked, collated and cataloged somewhere, just waiting for the day and time such information can be used against us. Other days I think we're not that competent.

Frankly, I'm not sure which is closer to the truth.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2013 08:12 AM (BeSEI)

66 TFG's schedule allows for thirty six holes today..."

priorities, very important.....doing too much is above his pay scale


Punching 35 holes above his weight.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2013 08:13 AM (uVkIH)

67 53 -

Yeah. No. It's been years since I read that book, so maybe I'm missing something, but I think the similarities between Hitler and Obama pretty much begin and end with their love of big government. And the fact that some of us don't like either of them.

Beyond that, and I think you are stretching reality a bit too much.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2013 08:17 AM (BeSEI)

68 The story behind the majestic hymn "And can it be that I should gain (an interest in the Savior's blood?) by Charles Wesley

And a powerful recording of it people of many races singing it which is for me a little taste of heaven. and of course, a reference to the story of Paul and Silas in prison Acts 16:16-40. One of the things I like about the old hymns is the way they combine strong theology and scripture with music in a way that can lift your spirit when you sing or listen to them:

http://hymnswelove.blogspot.com/2012/01/story-of-amazing-love-and-can-it-be.html


"Amazing love. How can it be, that thou my God should die for me?"

May you feel God's presence today, folks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 03, 2013 08:19 AM (j+lCW)

69 Morning all....


I don't think I've ever seen a Top Headline thread die so early.

Posted by: Tami at September 03, 2013 08:22 AM (bCEmE)

70 Beyond that, and I think you are stretching reality a bit too much.


Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2013 08:17 AM


As JJ pointed out, their views on military strength differ, though both seem eager to sacrifice others for their goals.

But in their means for achieving total authority, suppression of dissent, use of the media and views of themselves as divinely called to lead, they are remarkably similar. Both were fond of spending money they didn't have, too....

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 03, 2013 08:23 AM (kaGpp)

71 It's not a Republican/Democrat thing. Assad DID use chemical weapons and should be taken out. Republicans shouldn't oppose it just because our Pres. is a D or inept. Let the military decide the best course of action and run w/it.

Posted by: Stuper Genius at September 03, 2013 08:23 AM (CyQ4M)

72 I killed it? I've been posting these hymns for days and days and people carried on regardless. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 03, 2013 08:24 AM (j+lCW)

73 Posted by: Stuper Genius at September 03, 2013 08:23 AM (CyQ4M)

Oh boy.

Posted by: Anthony L. at September 03, 2013 08:25 AM (bl6Iq)

74 @71-Let the UN do it. If the UN don't want to, to hell with it.

Posted by: Case at September 03, 2013 08:27 AM (o00SF)

75 #71, how do we KNOW that Assad DID use chemical weapons? If you want me to believe that, then you have to somehow refute all the Congress Critters who were briefed and who then said the evidence was NOT compelling.


BTW, I am not trying to start a fight, I truly want to know. I consider Kerry's and Obama's assurances to be worth less than nothing. McCain and Graham likewise, those two can't resist the limelight long enough to act responsibly on anything.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at September 03, 2013 08:27 AM (kXoT0)

76 I think the UN should handle it. Obama has no particular interest in gassed Syrians. He wants a distraction from the economy, the IRA scandals, the Bengahzi coverup and would like to be able to blame Congress if things go wrong. Of course it would be a bonus if the Muslim Brotherhood could be strengthened somehow.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 03, 2013 08:29 AM (j+lCW)

77 5. good point

That false logic has been overused these years...

"Our prestige is at stake"

AS IF we must bomb the entire world or a single nation in order to maintain our prestige? WHAT prestige is that interventionism, creating hell on earth against all Libyans, now posing against all Syrians regardless of an individual's ideology, religion, life's oeuvre?

We must kill them all in order to save them?

When Americans can't sense the difference between prestige, brutality and cowardice all rolled into our own nation's international image, then "Houston, we have a problem."

The Air Force Magazine, April 2012 issue, article by John A. Tirpak:

"SYRIA IS NOT LIBYA"

...Don't go there. We'll end up doing far more harm than good, to ourselves and to the Syrian people we claim to be "rescuing".

I've been posting repeatedly about that article since it was published. 1. As with the USA, Syria is an integrated society wherein you will not find an ideological enemy in large pockets for bombing raids. The Syrian people coexist just as Americans coexist, regardless of ideology within every state, city and neighborhood. 2. We used up our store of bombs on Libya, and have not replaced them.

3. Last year, someone here from the Navy pointed out that our fleets are in the same over-extended decades-past-expiration-date status, whether Air Force or Navy.

This last month's edition from August 2013, another Air Force Magazine editor wrote his article stipulating that the US should exercise more restraint before engaging in new wars, that our troops in Afghanistan should be allowed to return home rather than be (re-)redeployed, and that our nation's military armory needs to be refurbished because it's already over-extended.

Also consider that currently the tax funds are not available during sequestration (and being usurped to fund ObamaCare), funding that would of necessity still require a period of time to manufacture replacements (missiles if not the aircraft itself) and repair parts.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 03, 2013 08:30 AM (MhA4j)

78
It's not a Republican/Democrat thing. Assad DID use chemical weapons and
should be taken out. Republicans shouldn't oppose it just because our
Pres. is a D or inept. Let the military decide the best course of action
and run w/it.


Posted by: Stuper Genius
............
I think that notion needs to be questioned.

First off.. why does killing 1 thousand people with gas get a US response, when killing 100,000 people with bullets did not?

Second, accoring to JEF, we must be ready to act anywhere in the world when mass killings happen, including genocide, etc.. Really? Since when did WE become policemen of the world? Where the fuck is the UN? If it a crime against humanity, the whole world should back any action.

And where were we when they were slaughtering a million people in Africa? Where were we when Egyptian Christians were being gunned down in the streets and their churches burned?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 03, 2013 08:30 AM (AYOav)

79 Even if Assad used chemical weapons, what threat does that pose to the United States, or her allies?

Bonus question: What exactly is the foreign policy of the United States under the Obama administration?

Posted by: Anthony L. at September 03, 2013 08:31 AM (bl6Iq)

80 Ok.. off to work.. have a good day.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 03, 2013 08:33 AM (AYOav)

81 Holy moley - did anyone have the stomach to read-through the comments at the Slate piece about the collapse of the anti-war movement? Kool-aide sales must be through the roof this week.In other news - you know that moment when it finally hits you that "your baby" is away at college and you won't be seeing her for (at least) a couple of weeks and barely hearing from her at all in the interim?

Yeah, it really sorta sucks.

Posted by: DocJ at September 03, 2013 08:34 AM (qCk/f)

82 F.... the UN! If we start relying on them, we're doomed. And I'm basing this conclusion that there were chemical weapons used. To me it seems they were used, but the "not enough evidence" is now the fall back excuse to not go. What was used to kill all those people? I hate that the USA has become the world police, but we are the only ones who have the capability. It should be clear to everyone by now that Muslims are not peaceful and can't even govern themselves.

Posted by: Stuper Genius at September 03, 2013 08:34 AM (CyQ4M)

83 This is one time I'm on board with "The New Yorker"
Their satire piece "Obama promises Syria strike will have no objective" sounds truer than one would think. Let's bomb Syria so Obama can save face. Yep. :^(

http://tinyurl.com/ocl3wby

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 03, 2013 08:37 AM (j+lCW)

84 69 -

Do we have people boycotting? I suppose it's possible some people are upset over this weekend's events.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2013 08:38 AM (BeSEI)

85 I see Jeff Bezos is trying to change the subject at WaPo, away from endorsement of child rape to his planned "new golden era" in journalism.

That's right Jeff, go yellow. It worked for Hearst.

Posted by: MTF at September 03, 2013 08:38 AM (qf2kI)

86 *tap*tap*tap* helllloooooo.....

Posted by: Anthony L. at September 03, 2013 08:39 AM (bl6Iq)

87 >>And I'm basing this conclusion that there were chemical weapons used. To me it seems they were used, but the "not enough evidence" is now the fall back excuse to not go. What was used to kill all those people? I hate that the USA has become the world police, but we are the only ones who have the capability. It should be clear to everyone by now that Muslims are not peaceful and can't even govern themselves.

Nobody that I have heard has questioned whether gas was used. There is still an open question as to who used it.

If you have seen proof that it was Asaad I would like to see it.

Then, I would like to know exactly what the mission in Syria would be and what is the endgame. Are we just going to drop a few bombs and leave? What are the repercussions of doing that? What if Iran responds in kind against Israel as they have been threatening to do? And finally, we would we want to do anything that would aid al Qaeda?

If you can help me understand these issues and exactly what Obama's plan is then maybe I will be in favor of dropping bombs. If not, then no, not in favor.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2013 08:40 AM (g1DWB)

88 81 -THIS. Dropped the eldest off on Friday but had lost of plans all weekend Nd getting the others ready for school too. Today it really hit me that she's in college. First day of school and just chilling a bit before work. Trying not to text too much. She has been good about touching base with us. First day of classes today so hoping she calls tonite. Sniff sniff. Can't decide if I miss her or if I am just jealous!!! .

Posted by: Tank at September 03, 2013 08:41 AM (xGDj+)

89 And Debbie, the Wasserman of Shultzes, announced that John Kerry and she are delusional. "Dozens" of U.S. allies are going to come out of the closet and support us on Syria. Because Obama.

Posted by: MTF at September 03, 2013 08:41 AM (qf2kI)

90 67, 53

When campaigning for re-election after winning Britain's WWII victory, Winston Churchill told the Labor crowds who were demanding a Welfare State new government that there is no socialist government without a police state, and that any socialist government will utilize its own Gestapo.

The US Government has that in place, no thanks to the neoconservatives' unwieldy response to 9/11/01 with a Biggest Ever authoritarian new pseudo-branch of government atop the Constitutional Republic. DHS, Patriot Act, Yes, they built that. And no thanks to George W. Bush, indeed Obama can tap dance to the tune, "I Inherited That."

No socialist is 'exactly the same as' any more than they are 'completely different than'. However, given scrutiny, too much in common can not be refuted.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 03, 2013 08:41 AM (MhA4j)

91 F.... the UN! If we start relying on them, we're doomed. And I'm basing
this conclusion that there were chemical weapons used. To me it seems
they were used, but the "not enough evidence" is now the fall back
excuse to not go. Posted by: Stuper Genius at September 03, 2013 08:34 AM (CyQ4M)

But, we do not know that Assad used them. It is entirely possible that the Rebels used them on their own people. They are losing. They need US intervention to topple Assad, and life in the ME is cheap, very cheap, so they cynically gas some people--maybe they were Assad sympathizers, maybe they were people who refused to help the rebels, who knows...NOT US.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at September 03, 2013 08:42 AM (kXoT0)

92 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 03, 2013 08:30 AM (AYOav)

We should never have tried to "police" failed states, provide humanitarian aid using military assets, or gotten in the theory of nation-building. Failed states failed for internal reasons. Humanitarian aid should come from charitable world-wide resources. Nation-building can only happen when that Nation's own citizens have a desire to have a coherent functioning nation and are willing to fight internally to construct their better and unique society. (Note that not all nations so constructed will actually be a place a civilized person would ever dream of living in!)

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 03, 2013 08:42 AM (XdnQT)

93 The Syrians hacked off the Marines over the weekend, or at least hacked their website. Me, I wouldn't piss them off if I were you Syria. The Marines aren't as wishy washy as the CinC.

Posted by: MTF at September 03, 2013 08:43 AM (qf2kI)

94 @82-".....can't even govern themselves."

We are having trouble with that too.

Posted by: Case at September 03, 2013 08:43 AM (o00SF)

95 70 -

Yeah, those traits you list are vague enough as to render them meaningless.

Like a horoscope. On top of that, what practical benefit is there to comparing Obama to Hitler? Either the stuff he's doing is enough to rouse the public against him, or it's not. You aren't going to have people thinking it's ok for him to have done an end-around on the NLRB, until you point out that it's a Hitler type move, and suddenly they're against it.


Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2013 08:44 AM (BeSEI)

96 Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2013 08:44 AM (BeSEI)

The phrase "Hitler of color" just came to mind!

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 03, 2013 08:45 AM (XdnQT)

97 Lastly,I see that while McInsane and the Nacy Boy are campaigning for World War III, Rand Paul is in New Jersey campaigning for Steve Lonergan, a guy better known by the name "Cory Bookers opponent" than by his real name.

Posted by: MTF at September 03, 2013 08:46 AM (qf2kI)

98 If it was Assad, then he should be removed. Just like Hussein. Will it help AQ? I don't know. That would be the next bridge we'd have to cross. Will there be an attack on Israel? I doubt it. But if there was, our response should be swift and terrible. I would definitely like to know what the end plan is, but I don't think our CIC has one.

Posted by: Stuper Genius at September 03, 2013 08:46 AM (CyQ4M)

99 BTW, for those who think getting rid of Assad is the bestest thing ever because he is mean and evil. I have two words for you:


The Shah

----------------------------------

Toppling The Shah of Iran led to this entire mess we have now.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at September 03, 2013 08:47 AM (kXoT0)

100 Cory Booker will win. That doesn't mean, of course, that opposition to him should just fold up and allow the King to waltz on in to the Senate.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 03, 2013 08:49 AM (j+lCW)

101 90 -

Churchill was being a bit of a blowhard at that time, because he was more than a little bit hurt at the idea of being turned out of government after having saved the nation.

So he exaggerated, more than a little. Sure, socialists are jerks. And they don't play fair. And governments like getting bigger, they will continue to do so until you stop them. Tell us something we didn't already know.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 03, 2013 08:49 AM (BeSEI)

102 >>Toppling The Shah of Iran led to this entire mess we have now.

Or sticking him in there in the first place.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2013 08:51 AM (g1DWB)

103 Oh, yeah, y'all saw that the Longshoremans a union walked out on ObamaCare over the weekend, offering a self contradictory statement of explanation. While they had hoped to see "single payer", they also (and mostly) just were pissed off that their hallowed "Cadillac" health plan was being forcibly degraded by the law they so reflexively supported. They are even bailing out on Rich "I'm a fucking thug" Trumpka and the AFL-CIO, by leaving the organization completely.

Posted by: MTF at September 03, 2013 08:51 AM (qf2kI)

104 The other option of "bomb the crap out of them and see what happens" probably won't end too well. But if we bring stability to Syria are they then going to focus their energies on destroying Israel or becoming productive members of society. If we have to take out a few top ranking Syrians to get a good government, then I'm all for that. Maybe I'm an optimist?

Posted by: Stuper Genius at September 03, 2013 08:53 AM (CyQ4M)

105 "51
I have a rough two whole days of work this week before I'm off on
vacation for the rest of this week and all of next. I know, I know, my
life, so hard.


On the DEA subpoenaing records from ATandT, I
have a somewhat different initial response than most people, I think. In
a prior work existence, I worked for a personal injury firm and we
handled major accidents. It became office policy to file suit within
30-60 days of the accident so that we could get court issued subpoenas
to the cell phone carriers for call data. If we waited until suit was
filed and discovery commenced, the response from the telecom would
generally be that the records had been destroyed as part of routine
records retention procedures. I believe that the standard was anywhere
from one to two years for retention. Now it turns out that ATandT may
have been point blank lying about that. That's nice. Seriously, if I
were still in that line of work, I would be heading back to court this
week with updated subpoena requests for every single case the firm had.

Which
brings up that guy on death row who claims he's innocent and his lawyer
says that the cell records will prove his alibi but the carrier claimed
the records were destroyed. Were they? No, seriously, were they?
Because it certainly appears at least possible that they weren't.


*downtwinkles this ride* *downtwinkles so hard*


Posted by: alexthechick - Team SMOD at September 03, 2013 07:46 AM (Gk3SS)"

Back in the 1990s I was doing some work for a long distance carrier. Part of it involved parsing out phone records in order to do billing. I was told that they were required by law to keep their records for seven years. I believe that they did some sort of compression stuff that made them a real pain to retrieve, even though they did comply with the letter of the law. The old records were on nine track tape shipped off to some storage facility somewhere.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 03, 2013 08:56 AM (31Nrp)

106 Posted by: Stuper Genius at September 03, 2013 08:53 AM (CyQ4M)


Oh, bomb them to stability.

Right.

Why didn't Obama just come out and say that right at the start? It would saved so much time and energy.

Posted by: eman at September 03, 2013 09:01 AM (AO9UG)

107 "98
If it was Assad, then he should be removed. Just like Hussein. Will it
help AQ? I don't know. That would be the next bridge we'd have to cross.
Will there be an attack on Israel? I doubt it. But if there was, our
response should be swift and terrible. I would definitely like to know
what the end plan is, but I don't think our CIC has one.


Posted by: Stuper Genius at September 03, 2013 08:46 AM (CyQ4M)"

If we are getting rid of bad governments because they mistreat their people in horrible ways, Syria should have to wait their turn. I would start with North Korea, possibly the worst government on earth. Then the task would be to choose between Sudan, Zimbabawe and Burma for the title of second worst government. Syria might make the top ten but only barely.

If the goal is to discourage the use or even possession of chemical weapons, the strategy would be to specifically target chemical weapons stockpiles so that the weapons are ruptured, spreading toxic chemicals all over the area and down wind. This would contaminate the area where the toxic weapons had been stored requiring super fund type efforts to decontaminate and possibly leaving the area unusable for fifty years. There would be a whole lot of collateral damage in that sort of action but that is kind of the point. You want the possession of chemical weapons to be more of a liability than an advantage and you want the population of countries that own them to be extremely unhappy that their rulers have put their lives at risk by having these things.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 03, 2013 09:06 AM (31Nrp)

108 >>Toppling The Shah of Iran led to this entire mess we have now.



Or sticking him in there in the first place.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2013 08:51 AM (g1DWB)

True, but, once we had him there, we should have left him there. The ugly fact is the ME is culturally set up to be ruled by Strong Men. They are theocracies that revolve around the caliphate form of government. That is what they believe in deep down in their heart of hearts--not democracy or representative government. Once a suitable Strong Man is in place--not too greedy, not too wicked, treats his people fairly well, and does not ruffle the religious leaders' feathers too much--he and his family rule for decades upon decades.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at September 03, 2013 09:08 AM (kXoT0)

109 He was against the Tudeh, who were the Commies, judged the major threat, particularly since Russia was their next door neighbor, he held out for 25 years, longer if he hadn't had cancer,

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at September 03, 2013 09:11 AM (Jsiw/)

110 The G20 opens in two days. And while a traditional day for lefties to go batshite crazy in the streets trashing and stealing other people's property and then crying foul when they are given a good head noggin by the the police. This year, I guarantee that they will behave themselves sinc the summit is in Russia. Oh, sure, expect a glitter bomb or two but no millions of dollars of lost property.

Posted by: Victor/Victoria at September 03, 2013 09:11 AM (NHMrq)

111 "102
>>Toppling The Shah of Iran led to this entire mess we have now.



Or sticking him in there in the first place.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2013 08:51 AM (g1DWB)"

Getting rid of Mossadegh in 1953 was approved by Eisenhower because he saw it as a less bloody alternative to what was going on in Korea. During WW II Iran was essentially occupied by Britain and the US in the west and the Soviet Union in the eastern half of the country. You would be very naive to think that Stalin did not use that opportunity to put his agents in place so that they would have an opportunity to turn a country that shared a border with the Soviet Union into a puppet state.


Was Mossadegh really a Soviet sock puppet? I don't know. The CIA might have been a bit over enthusiastic. The leftist academics writing about in since then have said no but they also said that Alger Hiss, Harry Dexter White and the Rosenbergs were innocent so they don't have a lot of credibility.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 03, 2013 09:19 AM (31Nrp)

112 #69

It's like banning Miss Marple and Anna Puma subsequently leaving has an impact!!! But commenters don't add a fucking thing to this place according to sooper jeanyus Jeff B.

Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone at September 03, 2013 09:21 AM (Upj7+)

113 I want some Kafka waffles


When I pour syrup on my Kafka waffles, it never gets there.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 03, 2013 09:23 AM (ZR4Xh)

114 I'd love to know how the Quakers justify being used as commie fronts?

Posted by: Victor/Victoria at September 03, 2013 09:24 AM (NHMrq)

115 Miss Marple added a great deal to this place. She is a very thoughtful, intelligent person as is Anna Puma. I miss them both although I understand AP is self exiled and not banned so maybe she will come back.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 03, 2013 09:25 AM (j+lCW)

116 "Toppling The Shah of Iran led to this entire mess we have now."

Thanks again, Jimmy.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at September 03, 2013 09:31 AM (hIcjk)

117 Stephens has a piece, that the GOP's refusal to go along in Syria, is like rejecting the Truman Doctrine, I respect Stephens, but that is category error, back then our common enemy were the Communists, we were willing to aid an imperfect regime, against their problem, sponsored by Yugoslavia, in Greece's case, and directly by Russia, in Turkey's case, the last can be seen
in 'From Russia with Love' where they suggest the Bulgars are involved.

Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at September 03, 2013 09:31 AM (Jsiw/)

118 >>Getting rid of Mossadegh in 1953 was approved by Eisenhower because he saw it as a less bloody alternative to what was going on in Korea. During WW II Iran was essentially occupied by Britain and the US in the west and the Soviet Union in the eastern half of the country. You would be very naive to think that Stalin did not use that opportunity to put his agents in place so that they would have an opportunity to turn a country that shared a border with the Soviet Union into a puppet state.

As always with the middle east, oil is a primary issue. The fact is Mossadegh was a very popular (with Iranians) PM who by virtue of his popularity was able to greatly reduce the power of the Shah. He was also strongly opposed to the Islamic takeover of Iran and believed in separation of religion and the state.

The real issue, was the nationalization of the oil industry in Iran which was controlled primarily by what became BP. Previous administrations in Iran had negotiated a crappy deal with BP which gave away much of their rights to the oil. When the Brits refused to renegotiate he nationalized it and set up his downfall and consequently led to the rise of the Islamic nuts who had a new enemy, us.

Yes, this was in a post WWII world and the Soviets were also seeking to exert their influence. And it was probably unavoidable to a certain extent.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those no blood for oil idiots. The world runs on energy and that means oil. The reason the middle east was so strategic in WWII is the same reason it is today, oil. If it wasn't for that we would let the whole place sink into tribalism again.

But as long as we and the rest of the world need oil we will try to figure out the least bad way to negotiate that minefield. Often, unsuccessfully.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2013 09:36 AM (g1DWB)

119 #117

Stephens is increasingly taking dumbass contrarian stances on things. It's almost like Rupert has told him to assume the Thomas Frank role.

Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone at September 03, 2013 09:45 AM (Upj7+)

120 "But as long as we and the rest of the world need oil
we will try to figure out the least bad way to negotiate that
minefield. Often, unsuccessfully.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2013 09:36 AM (g1DWB)"

We need oil but we don't need their oil. My modest proposal would be to negotiate a NAFTA oil tax where any oil imported into the NAFTA area would face an import tax. This would provide some degree of insulation from oil price fluctuations in the world market. I would also build the Keystone Pipeline, open up federal lands to oil exploration and fracking, remove the ban on offshore drilling and remove federal regulations that discourage conversion of vehicles to CNG. I would also have a look at what it would take to make the Berzelius coal to gasoline process economical.


Then we can back out and let the Muslim world degenerate to barbarity and cannibalism if that is their choice.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 03, 2013 09:48 AM (31Nrp)

121 >>We need oil but we don't need their oil. My modest proposal would be to negotiate a NAFTA oil tax where any oil imported into the NAFTA area would face an import tax. This would provide some degree of insulation from oil price fluctuations in the world market. I would also build the Keystone Pipeline, open up federal lands to oil exploration and fracking, remove the ban on offshore drilling and remove federal regulations that discourage conversion of vehicles to CNG. I would also have a look at what it would take to make the Berzelius coal to gasoline process economical.

No disagreement. Unfortunately, neither you nor I is likely to be president soon and we are living in a country largely populated by idiots and none of these things are going to happen soon.

Until that changes, we do need their oil.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2013 09:52 AM (g1DWB)

122 98 If it was Assad, then he should be removed. Just like Hussein. Will it help? I don't know. That would be the next bridge we'd have to cross. Will there be an attack on Israel? I doubt it. But if there was, our response should be swift and terrible. I would definitely like to know what the end plan is, but I don't think our CIC has one.
Posted by: Super Genius.

You don't know if it will help, but you still think removing Assad is the answer. Gee... it appears you're as qualified to run our nation's foreign policy as the JEF.

Why bother knowing what impact our militaristic actions will have before we take them? That's so ghey.

Given how JEF treated Netanyahu when he visited, I wouldn't hold my breath that DC will respond in a swift and terrible manner, should Israel be attacked by any of her neighbors. But maybe that's just me being all cynical again.

Posted by: elaine at September 03, 2013 09:54 AM (4Mzrt)

123 "Until that changes, we do need their oil.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2013 09:52 AM (g1DWB)"

The less painful approach would be to do these things first.

The more likely path is that we will do these things after the Middle East becomes a chaotic war zone which seems likely to happen pretty damn quick.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at September 03, 2013 09:57 AM (31Nrp)

124 I love how all the lefty dicknosed hypocrites are all "look at all the people Assad killed". You know who else killed a lot of his own citizens? Saddam Hussein; as in mass graves of hundreds of thousands of them. Square that circle, cocksuckers.

Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone at September 03, 2013 10:03 AM (Upj7+)

125 Last night while a regular on the ONT was making fun of people who are unemployable because of a master's degree in "Romantic Languages," the owner/operator of this New Medium was translating the Figaro interview of Assad -- from French, a Romantic Language. Or did he?

And yet, no banning. (1)"Owning" a "weblog" is a form of "unemployablility,"
{2} Pepe LePew was an Ewok who walked under a paint roller.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at September 03, 2013 10:17 AM (JNUY4)

126 58
"Mornin' all. I see I missed some interesting times over the last few
days. Just got back from CT for my brother's wedding. I think I have
every Veggie Tales song memorized from the drive up and back. Kept the
little one occupied though."

That there's some great stuff. My favorite is Nathan's rebuke to King George from King George and the Ducky - "there once was a man, a very rich man...." And the fun stuff like "Sebuuuuuuu"

Posted by: lawdvd at September 03, 2013 10:36 AM (enhDu)

127 Wow someone at AoSHQ is being pretty hard (and by hard I mean behaving in in utterly classless manner) on the late Tommy Morrison. Yeah, Tommy was a flawed fighter, and a flawed human being apparently, and he'll never be remembered as a great heavyweight, but:

About that that boring victory over Foreman who was "...44 at the time, trying another comeback)". Gosh, about that "another comeback"--in his next fight what did Big George do? My goodness--he became the oldest man to win the heavyweight crown via a shocking upset KO over Micheal Moorer. But it was just "another comeback" Right, Captain Classy? What did TM prove with that win, eh? Beating the man who would go on to make history in his very next fight? Peh.

Tommy also beat Carl Williams, Razor Ruddock and a few other quality, top-tier heavyweights, though some, like "Quick" Tillis and Pincklon Thomas, were pretty faded when he starched them.

Tommy had a weak chin, a trebuchet for a left, a dislike of training, and a love for partying. That's no reason to diminish his accomplishments in death. In fact, it's disgusting,

R.I.P Duke.

Posted by: Links at September 03, 2013 02:51 PM (cEdZt)

128 Oh yeah--here's some former long-reigning WBO champs--you know the belt you've never heard of:

Dariusz Michalczewski
Steve Collins
Kelly Pavlik
Manny Pacquiao
OSCAR DE LA HOYA

Eh, THWI, You've probably never heard of any of those guys.



Posted by: Links at September 03, 2013 02:56 PM (cEdZt)

129 Link bad on "Legal Consequences" sidebar item.

Posted by: cthulhu at September 03, 2013 03:40 PM (T1005)

130 Fixed now.

Posted by: cthulhu at September 03, 2013 04:17 PM (T1005)

131 Here's one for rdbrewer: Slashdot, tinyurl.com/l398g5q, links to a YouTube video, y2u.be/-qrlDGhoI1Q, of a guy calling the NSA to help him out with an email he accidentally deleted.


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When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
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Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
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The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
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John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
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