John Boehner And Eric Cantor Really, Really, Really Don't Want A Government Shutdown

I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.

Since the moment the idea was floated by a handful of conservative lawmakers, House Republican leaders have been wary of the tea-party plan to shut down the federal government this fall unless Obamacare is defunded. Speaker John Boehner of Ohio, a veteran of the Gingrich wars, has never been eager to go there, nor has Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia. But they didn’t immediately storm out of their offices and nix the pitch. Instead, due to the fragility of the bonds holding the House GOP together, they have labored behind the scenes, pouring cold water in careful measure on their colleagues’ boiling brinksmanship.

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“A shutdown? It’s not happening, it’s really not, but I guess you won’t hear people say that out loud, including me,” chuckles a senior House Republican. “No one, you see, wants to be ‘out-toughed’ on Obamacare. We’re out here talking about repeal everyday. But the speaker and everybody else here know that the Senate votes, unfortunately, will never be there to pass a continuing resolution to defund Obamacare.”

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Members were also buzzing about the leadership’s emerging strategy for the autumn talks. Sources tell me the House GOP will probably avoid using a shutdown as leverage and instead use the debt limit and sequester fights as areas for potential legislative trades. Negotiations over increasing the debt limit have frequently been used to wring concessions out of the administration, so there may be movement in that direction: Delay Obamacare in exchange for an increased debt limit. As members huddled and talked through scenarios, leadership aides reminded them that since the House GOP retreat in Williamsburg, Va., earlier this year, the plan has been to end the year with a debt-limit chess game, and not a messy continuing-resolution impasse. But the aides didn’t press too hard. As Boehner knows all too well from past struggles, it often takes only 20 to 30 irritated Republicans to destroy his best-laid plans.

They aren't willing to go to the mattresses on the CR/shutdown but they are totally going to risk busting the debt limit? Please.

And yes, there's no clear endgame where a shutdown leads to victory but that's true of Boehner's supposed, "vote forever" strategy. Ohhhh....you voted to delay ObamaCare and nothing happened? Great, let's keep doing that!

I understand the reality Boehner is facing. There's almost zero chance of a shutdown leading to any meaningful reform of ObamaCare but simply letting it happen means it's here to stay in one form or another.

It comes down to the damage you think ObamaCare (or a slightly less awful Republican version) will do to the fabric of America as we know it. If you look around at the growth and power of government in the last half century or so, then putting the final piece in place (the takeover of health care) is a great idea. If you think now is the time to take a stand before the last step to full on Euro-socialism hits, then no cost is too high to try and stop it.

Republicans had their shot at stopping ObamaCare and their plan was to nominate Mitt Romney. It's time to let the other guys take a turn. We need to put it to the country clearly and concisely....this is a very bad and dangerous thing that is about to happen. Speak now or deal with the consequences.

Keeping the Republican's powder dry at this point is simply an effort in making sure they have a seat at the table while the last scraps of the carcass are picked over. The GOP is interested in that, conservatives shouldn't be.

Go down fighting and hope for some puncher's luck or go down quietly. That's the choice.

Related: The Chairman of the House Appropriations Committee is frustrated with conservatives who don't want to spend more and pass bills.

Posted by: DrewM. at 12:50 PM



Comments

1 let it burn

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at August 13, 2013 12:50 PM (8JJ6O)

2 SHUT IT DOWN

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at August 13, 2013 12:51 PM (8JJ6O)

3 GOP = The Republican wing of the Democrat party.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 13, 2013 12:53 PM (+98Gb)

4 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 12:53 PM (/PCJa)

5 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 12:53 PM (/PCJa)

6 I'd make that "senior House Republican" stop chuckling pretty quickly.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at August 13, 2013 12:53 PM (WD0KF)

7
Paging EoJ.
Paging EoJ.

I think he usually has a good response to the bravado here.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 13, 2013 12:53 PM (GaqMa)

8 This is the hill to die on. If not here, where? If not now, when?

Posted by: RS at August 13, 2013 12:54 PM (YAGV/)

9 Shut it down.

Make Bo fly commercial.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 13, 2013 12:54 PM (XkEyZ)

10 Republicans had their shot at stopping ObamaCare and their plan was to nominate Mitt Romney.


**********

You watched that disorganized mess of a Republican Primary and you think there a was a Republican Plan to elect Mitt Romney?


Mitt Romney couldn't finish anyone off--it dragged on and on.....

Posted by: tasker at August 13, 2013 12:54 PM (r2PLg)

11 “A shutdown? It’s not happening, it’s really not, but I guess you won’t hear people say that out loud, including me,” chuckles a senior House Republican. “No one, you see, wants to be ‘out-toughed’ on Obamacare. We’re out here talking about repeal everyday. But the speaker and everybody else here know that the Senate votes, unfortunately, will never be there to pass a continuing resolution to defund Obamacare.”

There you have it, folks. It's all political theater, and the GOP is admitting they've given up. What they don't seem to understand is that means they've given up *on us.*

Why shouldn't we give up on them?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 12:55 PM (/PCJa)

12 Cue jwest telling us that shutting down the government is meaningless and that we're all a bunch of stupidheads.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 12:55 PM (4df7R)

13 “A shutdown? It’s not happening, it’s really not, but I guess you won’t hear people say that out loud, including me,” chuckles a senior House Republican.

Gosh, I'm so glad this Senior House Republican thinks it's chuckle-worthy. Nice to know someone out there is laughing, cuz I'm sure not.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 12:56 PM (4df7R)

14 A shutdown is simply bad strategy and bad tactics. The Republicans will get the blame (again, and as usual).


Let it burn and let the Democrats own the ensuing chaos.


It will be a huge mess all on its own and the public will be pissed. We shouldn't be fixing the Dem's mess that they made for themselves.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 13, 2013 12:56 PM (pginn)

15 Go down fighting and hope for some puncher's luck or go down quietly. That's the choice.


*******

Arm bar .

Posted by: Ronda Rousey at August 13, 2013 12:57 PM (r2PLg)

16 @13 MWR

He's laughing because he knows his place at the public teat is secure. The rest of us rubes will just have to fend for ourselves.

Posted by: RS at August 13, 2013 12:57 PM (YAGV/)

17 You will get nothing and like it!

Posted by: The Republican Party at August 13, 2013 12:58 PM (QXlbZ)

18 Go down fighting, always--especially here, now, on Obamacare. The Democrats do not have public support at their backs. It's beenthe most unpopular piece of legislation forced down our throats since the Fugitive Slave Act.

Running away has become a habit with national-level Republican politicians. We need new national-level Republican politicians.

Posted by: troyriser at August 13, 2013 12:58 PM (2jF2B)

19 There are victories that the GOP can get from a shutdown: publicity and division.

The MSM is embargoing any bad news about Obamacare, a shutdown -- even the threat of one -- forces it into the news.

The Democrats are scared of Obamacare. Since Obama's doing the "delay it until after the election" ruse the best strategy is to shove it in the public's face and get them apprehensive of what's coming. Or at least aware of it.

Ultimately, the shutdown will be forgotten (all of the employees get backpay anyway) and Republican Congressional candidates won't suffer. Senate candidates maybe, but it's pretty easy to turn the attention to Obamacare itself, which people roundly oppose.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 13, 2013 12:58 PM (T0NGe)

20 They're dead to me, Jim.

Posted by: sTevo at August 13, 2013 12:58 PM (y1N3d)

21 Basically, they don't have the brass ones to be the bad guy in the press and by Obama.

Pussies!

Posted by: Lizzy at August 13, 2013 12:59 PM (CzGy/)

22 The main reason the GOP is such a lousy opposition party is because they don't *really* oppose a lot of what the statist left wants to accomplish.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at August 13, 2013 12:59 PM (QXlbZ)

23 There you have it, folks. It's all political theater, and the GOP is admitting they've given up. What they don't seem to understand is that means they've given up *on us.*

Why shouldn't we give up on them?



Already have.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 12:59 PM (p9JxP)

24 Go down fighting and hope for some puncher's luck or go down quietly. That's the choice.


*******

Arm bar .



Sweep the leg!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:00 PM (p9JxP)

25 The LIVs have no clue what's in store for them if Obamacare proceeds.


But they will, once they feel the effects of it.


Have some confidence that you're own ideas are correct. Obamacare is already driving up premiums and driving insurers out of some areas.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 13, 2013 01:00 PM (pginn)

26 Maybe if we bend over and spread our ass cheeks, they,ll let us use lube.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at August 13, 2013 01:00 PM (XUKZU)

27 This is the step by step destruction of the American medical system, not mention the imposition of all manner of intrusion on our personal lives. People say, "let it take effect; the public will see how badly it sucks and demand repeal." Bullshit. First they destroy the current system, then everyone will be afraid to destroy Obamacare because there's nothing to take its place.

Posted by: RS at August 13, 2013 01:00 PM (YAGV/)

28 My fantasy is that there is a huge gathering of Washington politicians, from both parties, and right in the midst a Moslem decides to detonate a suitcase nuke.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 13, 2013 01:01 PM (xjpRj)

29 Little bitches, they want to beat the democrats, by, well, becoming democrats. What's the point ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at August 13, 2013 01:01 PM (nTgAI)

30 He's laughing because he knows his place at the public teat is secure. The rest of us rubes will just have to fend for ourselves.

Posted by: RS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

But mostly because he is exempt from it's provisions. Someone should cut a video of this ass hat spouting this drivel, and play it as a commercial every day from now until the election.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 13, 2013 01:01 PM (lbBsF)

31 They moved pretty fast when it looked like they were going to be subject to Obamacare.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 13, 2013 01:02 PM (XUKZU)

32 28
My fantasy is that there is a huge gathering of Washington politicians,
from both parties, and right in the midst a Moslem decides to detonate a
suitcase nuke.


Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 13, 2013 01:01 PM (xjpRj)

I'm imagining a bunch of jihadis sitting in a cave saying, "man, so glad one of our planes didn't hit the Capitol, they are doing our jobs for us!"

Posted by: KG at August 13, 2013 01:02 PM (p7BzH)

33 Really? Really?!?!? What difference, at this point, does it make???!?!?!??

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 13, 2013 01:03 PM (GjPnA)

34 Someone lost a war once, so we will always lose every war we fight.

These guys are useless.

And nobody who wants to continue increasing spending should talk about reality.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 13, 2013 01:03 PM (CofEF)

35 They moved pretty fast when it looked like they were going to be subject to Obamacare.
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 13, 2013 01:02 PM (XUKZU)


Naturally. The Solons must be protected at all costs.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:03 PM (4df7R)

36 Republicans had their shot at stopping ObamaCare and their plan was to nominate Mitt Romney.


Well. Just when I wasn't feeling completely nihilistic you had to go and do that.


I'm just going to watch this to cheer me up - http://youtu.be/oWiJw-0b8fQ

Posted by: alexthechick - Not my monkeys. Not my circus. at August 13, 2013 01:03 PM (VtjlW)

37 27 This is the step by step destruction of the American medical system, not mention the imposition of all manner of intrusion on our personal lives. People say, "let it take effect; the public will see how badly it sucks and demand repeal." Bullshit. First they destroy the current system, then everyone will be afraid to destroy Obamacare because there's nothing to take its place.
Posted by: RS at August 13, 2013 01:00 PM (YAGV/)

____________

When O-care implodes the blame will be on eeeeeeevil health insurance companies and the solution will be to get rid of them and have the govt insure everyone.

This was always the plan.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 13, 2013 01:04 PM (HDgX3)

38 Go down fighting and hope for some puncher's luck or go down quietly.

I think there's more than just luck to be had if we're talking about having principled conservatives in the lead. A distinct choice between the Left's soft tyranny and a liberty-centric Republicanism has its own benefit.

If the GOP isn't willing to offer the voters that choice, it's only lobbying to be 1st Mate on the ship of Statism.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 13, 2013 01:04 PM (c3xwz)

39 Tar, Feathers and Rails.

Posted by: garrett at August 13, 2013 01:04 PM (8Pyiu)

40 Don't cringe in fear alone! Join the Republican Party and we can all cringe in fear together.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 13, 2013 01:04 PM (XUKZU)

41
"President reduces the amount homeowners owe" -- ad on Yahoo in news section

Yay, el jefe caudillo!

Posted by: Beagle at August 13, 2013 01:05 PM (sOtz/)

42 @30 COJ

Quite. Yet the public yawns and switches to the latest celebrity news. If that wasn't a "let them eat cake" moment, I don't know what was.

Fun fact: The French Revolution's "sans coulottes," were the ones "without pants." A perfect description of the horde. [Smiley Thing]

Posted by: RS at August 13, 2013 01:05 PM (YAGV/)

43 If the GOP isn't willing to offer the voters that choice, it's only lobbying to be 1st Mate on the ship of Statism.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 13, 2013 01:04 PM (c3xwz)



But they're too stupid to realize they'll never be First Mate; they'll always be the cabin boy who gets buttfucked regularly to keep the sailors in line.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:05 PM (4df7R)

44 I know, I know, actually hitting a target that's helpful to the Moslems...well, that's forbidden in the Koran or something. That's why it's a fantasy.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 13, 2013 01:05 PM (xjpRj)

45 These asshats really don't get it. They think we're bluffing. That conservatives won't walk away from them, that they are all we have and we have to go along with this, This, THIS...

*steam boils out ears*

I'd better stop now.

Posted by: Bayou City at August 13, 2013 01:05 PM (8yWf/)

46 How about NO CR -- regular order. Hold the authorization and appropriation bills for OCare till the end.

First, cut the funding for the stuff Obama has already delayed, deferred, or waived.

Then transfer a huge amount of money back to medicare.

Then, kill all the maarketing money and associated BS going straight into Dim political coffers.

Then, reduce the funds on key elements - so they are unworkable. Leave some things funded, but not supporting pieces. Muddy it up. We didn't zero fund it - we fixed it ...

Pass it with 48hrs to go. Tell the Senate you'll be available for conference before recess until midnight on the last day of fiscal year.

It starts with NO CR.

Posted by: Jean at August 13, 2013 01:05 PM (CMlD4)

47 If it weren't for the fact that Boehner and Canter have no spine and have demonstrated that they can't be trusted, I'd chalk up their desire to avoid a shutdown on strategery…

…IF.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 13, 2013 01:06 PM (Vk2pI)

48 Seems like 2/3rds of the comments at the NRO piece are from gloating leftist trolls taunting that the Republicans will never get rid of Obamacare.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at August 13, 2013 01:06 PM (QXlbZ)

49
Musical theme for the GOP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFtsWGaeAu0

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 13, 2013 01:06 PM (+98Gb)

50 GOP=Gutless wonders

Posted by: wrg500 at August 13, 2013 01:07 PM (jShXB)

51 It starts with NO CR.

Yep.

I wonder if one of the Defense Contractors who are hurt by sequestration has "standing" to sue the Government on the grounds that sequestration would not have been necessary (or even possible) if Congress had passed a budget?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:07 PM (/PCJa)

52 GOP = Gutless Old Pussies

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:07 PM (4df7R)

53
@48
Which is funny since the plan is for Obamcare to suck enough to lead to single-payer, per the freaking Senate Majority Leader!

Posted by: Beagle at August 13, 2013 01:08 PM (sOtz/)

54 I'd better stop now.
Posted by: Bayou City at August 13, 2013 01:05 PM (8yWf/)

Do go on. It's nice to know I'm not alone in feeling this way.

Posted by: troyriser at August 13, 2013 01:08 PM (2jF2B)

55 If they're abandoning us, why the fuck should we support the national level GOP at all?

They've chosen the rule in hell with the Dems. Let them own this shit if they wont at least try to stop it.

Posted by: Gaff at August 13, 2013 01:08 PM (jPS2y)

56 Shutting down the government NOW is a loser.

Really not hard to figure this out.

We need to hold our powder dry. It's summer, no one is paying attention.

After Labor Day, we can come up with something.

Now, go to the fucking beach, read a book and get drunk.

That is all.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 13, 2013 01:09 PM (wR+pz)

57 The LIVs have no clue what's in store for them if Obamacare proceeds.

Free Health Care forever! Immortality! Frisbees!

Posted by: Low Information Voters at August 13, 2013 01:09 PM (QXlbZ)

58 Seems like 2/3rds of the comments at the NRO piece are from gloating leftist trolls taunting that the Republicans will never get rid of Obamacare.

That's because Prog/Commies have no idea what will happen when Obamacare reaches its full potential.

They think it'll be single payer and everything will be hunkey-dorey. They don't realize that what will happen is a complete collapse (whether immediate, or a decade or so in the future) which will force them to live in squalor killing each other with human femur bones while fighting over the last of the tree bark soup.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:09 PM (/PCJa)

59 55 If they're abandoning us, why the fuck should we support the national level GOP at all?

The Dems are worse!!!11

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 13, 2013 01:09 PM (CofEF)

60 Tar, Feathers and Rails.



Horse, rope, lamp post. I'm lazy & it's reuseable.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:09 PM (p9JxP)

61 I wonder if one of the Defense Contractors who are hurt by sequestration has "standing" to sue the Government on the grounds that sequestration would not have been necessary (or even possible) if Congress had passed a budget?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:07 PM (/PCJa)



And they would then lose any and all current and future defense contracts and would thus be forced otu of business.

Because this "administration" is "run" by a thin-skinned zoo full of malicious toddlers.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:10 PM (4df7R)

62 If they're abandoning us, why the fuck should we support the national level GOP at all?

***

I'm just done. If they won't vote for me, I won't vote for them.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 13, 2013 01:10 PM (XUKZU)

63 We need to embrace the tactics of the Left, or we will continue our losing ways.

Burn down Boehner and Cantor first.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 13, 2013 01:10 PM (gqgiP)

64 ONWARD TO SURRENDER!!

Posted by: RWC at August 13, 2013 01:11 PM (fWAjv)

65 I don't understand why they wouldn't bail out health insurance companies like they bailed out car companies and banks and like they're going to bail out detroit

Posted by: caustic at August 13, 2013 01:11 PM (/b8+5)

66 The Dems are worse!!!11

Sorry. Not buying that one anymore.

And they would then lose any and all current and future defense contracts and would thus be forced otu of business.

If they're one of the small ones threatened with bankruptcy anyway? Might be worth it. Or if it were some independent contractor- he (or she) would never get another government contract, but that wouldn't stop them from getting contracts with other companies.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:11 PM (/PCJa)

67 These asshats really don't get it. They think we're bluffing. That conservatives won't walk away from them, that they are all we have and we have to go along with this, This, THIS...



I'm fine with not having them.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:12 PM (p9JxP)

68 This was always the plan.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 13, 2013 01:04 PM (HDgX3)

----
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner.
It was DESIGNED to fail..... to be replace by a shiny new Single Payer System,

Posted by: fixerupper at August 13, 2013 01:12 PM (nELVU)

69
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:10 PM (4df7R)

Also, I really don't like the idea of companies suing over appropriation bills. Bad precedent.

Sequester may have been a bad idea, but further budget cuts are necessary, and will come in appropriation bills of some kind.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 13, 2013 01:12 PM (GaqMa)

70 I wonder if one of the Defense Contractors who are hurt by sequestration has "standing" to sue the Government on the grounds

Nope. Political issue, courts won't touch it.

Posted by: Jean at August 13, 2013 01:12 PM (CMlD4)

71 Actually, this is the next to the last stand against Ocare. There's still nullification by the states. I'm telling my state reps, senators, and governor that most of the people in my state would stand behind them. We don't want it.

I'm sorry, blue-staters. You're pretty much fucked.

Posted by: Soona at August 13, 2013 01:12 PM (pzx85)

72
At a certain point, like now, the problems become so vast that everyone in government circles the wagons against reality and consequences, for them anyway.

So long as we continue to have sham election where all small-government groups are shut out, and the IRS gets to decide whatI am allowed to think,I'm happy. Could not be happier with my older sibling government.

Posted by: Beagle at August 13, 2013 01:12 PM (sOtz/)

73 Posted by: caustic at August 13, 2013 01:11 PM (/b8+5)

Taking this as a real question:

Because the point is single payer. They *want* the private insurance companies to close.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:12 PM (/PCJa)

74 Now is the time to publicly and monetarily divorce the Republican Party. I for one am going to vote against every incumbent on the ticket regardless of their party affiliation; I don't give a shit if it means that a (D) will take the office.

There isn't any significant difference between Republicans and Democrats. Politicians are nothing but a bunch of parasites, the titular heads of the FSA. They rank right there with the LIV.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 13, 2013 01:13 PM (lbBsF)

75 The message is wrong. Defund Obamacare the government funding goes through. Shutting down the government goes to Dem and Obama court.

The misrepresentation is just stupid. It is so stupid that stupid is the only word to use. Headbashingly stupid.

Posted by: gracepmc at August 13, 2013 01:13 PM (rznx3)

76 The democrats have the tar baby, let them get rid of it.

Let them jump in the briar patch and see what happens.

Just saying the more Obama care people see the better for the GOP.

The revolt will be amazing.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 13, 2013 01:13 PM (wR+pz)

77 73
Posted by: caustic at August 13, 2013 01:11 PM (/b8+5)



Taking this as a real question:



Because the point is single payer. They *want* the private insurance companies to close.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:12 PM (/PCJa)
Thank you. Makes sense now cause i guess single payer would be government controlled completely?

Posted by: caustic at August 13, 2013 01:13 PM (/b8+5)

78 The whistleblower story in the sidebar reminded me: whatever happened with that Texas lawfirm that was broken into a few months back? Mathias and something... They're representing the whistleblower who uncovered that the State Dept had been sanitizing IG reports.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:14 PM (4df7R)

79 a veteran of the Gingrich wars,
=========
1) holy shit, that Boner has been around too long.
2) he's stupider than I'd given him credit for if he thinks the "Gingrich wars" ware bad for the Republican Party.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 13, 2013 01:14 PM (VjL9S)

80 man, DrewMtips, when you are on fire you are really on fire.


Posted by: ace at August 13, 2013 01:14 PM (/IWYB)

81 Also, I really don't like the idea of companies suing over appropriation bills. Bad precedent.

I don't like it, either, but Congress is in violation of the law by not passing a budget. There *must* be a way to petition for the redress of that grievance. Given that the people against whom we are aggrieved is Congress, normal "lobbying" is off the table.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:14 PM (/PCJa)

82 76
The democrats have the tar baby, let them get rid of it.



Let them jump in the briar patch and see what happens.



Just saying the more Obama care people see the better for the GOP.



The revolt will be amazing.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at August 13, 2013 01:13 PM (wR+pz)
The dems see the praying little boy. For some reason the dems have an awful lot of guilt. They'll sacrifice themselves so the little boy and ohers like him can have health care.

Posted by: caustic at August 13, 2013 01:15 PM (/b8+5)

83 Yep.

I wonder if one of the Defense Contractors who are hurt by sequestration has "standing" to sue the Government on the grounds that sequestration would not have been necessary (or even possible) if Congress had passed a budget?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:07 PM (/PCJa)



Even if there was standing, that's a political question that's not for the courts. I know, I know, stop laughing that the courts don't decide political issues but that would be the response.


It does make me furious that there's a law on the books that say hey you have to pass a budget but there's no way to enforce it.

MWR, I left you some presents in the thread below.

Posted by: alexthechick - Not my monkeys. Not my circus. at August 13, 2013 01:15 PM (VtjlW)

84 Whoops. Style Guide violation.

Single Payer = Bureaucrat Controlled.

My apologies.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:15 PM (/PCJa)

85 But they're too stupid to realize they'll never be First Mate; they'll always be the cabin boy who gets buttfucked regularly to keep the sailors in line.

Posted by: MWR


Show me a poor ex-Congressman. Anytime in the past 50 years. Name one.

They aren't aren't the ones getting rolled in the closet.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 13, 2013 01:15 PM (c3xwz)

86 Seems like 2/3rds of the comments at the NRO piece are from gloating leftist trolls taunting that the Republicans will never get rid of Obamacare.

That's because Prog/Commies have no idea what will happen when Obamacare reaches its full potential.

They think it'll be single payer and everything will be hunkey-dorey. They don't realize that what will happen is a complete collapse (whether immediate, or a decade or so in the future) which will force them to live in squalor killing each other with human femur bones while fighting over the last of the tree bark soup.




A version of Let It Burn™ and a good one IMHO

Posted by: bob from table9 at August 13, 2013 01:16 PM (H7qrs)

87 >>Winner Winner Chicken Dinner.
It was DESIGNED to fail..... to be replace by a shiny new Single Payer System,

That process may be harder than they think. Remember, the Dems only forced through Obamacare with majorities in both houses of Congress and the Presidency. Even then, they had to bribe certain Dems who have or are in danger of getting bounced over this shit.

How do they plan to force through a single payer plan after one governmental plan proves a massive failure and people have insurance, including a larger number of Dems who thought this was a great idea, are even more against it when they have no shot at taking back the House and may lose the Senate?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 13, 2013 01:17 PM (g1DWB)

88 They aren't aren't the ones getting rolled in the closet.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 13, 2013 01:15 PM (c3xwz)


And the Cabin Boy gets food and water, too. Doesn't mean he doesn't get buttfucked for fun.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:17 PM (4df7R)

89 Didn't credit AllenG, i'll practice my copy paste off line for a bit. LOL

Posted by: bob from table9 at August 13, 2013 01:17 PM (H7qrs)

90 Just saying the more Obama care people see the better for the GOP.

The revolt will be amazing.



They are revolting enough as it is.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:17 PM (p9JxP)

91 Speaking of NRO, one of their anchors and her lobbyist hubby had a cocktail party for the obamas at their home in martha's vineyard. The press seemed surprised that the O's stayed at the party for an hour and a half.

Posted by: caustic at August 13, 2013 01:17 PM (/b8+5)

92 The dems see the praying little boy. For some reason the dems have an awful lot of guilt. They'll sacrifice themselves so the little boy and ohers like him can have health care.
Posted by: caustic at August 13, 2013 01:15 PM (/b8+5)

The dems could give fuck all about the little praying boy.

Posted by: RWC at August 13, 2013 01:17 PM (fWAjv)

93 A version of Let It Burn™ and a good one IMHO

Well, it would be. The problem is that we *also* will be reduced to killing each other with human femur bones while fighting over the tree bark soup.

Well, not all of us, but too many for my liking.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:18 PM (/PCJa)

94 Show me a poor ex-Congressman. Anytime in the past 50 years. Name one.

They aren't aren't the ones getting rolled in the closet.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 13, 2013 01:15 PM (c3xwz)



IIRC, Kucinich is not wealthy.

Which leads to an answer to the question as to how the hell he got that Elf Princess to marry him that I just don't want to consider.

Posted by: alexthechick - Not my monkeys. Not my circus. at August 13, 2013 01:18 PM (VtjlW)

95 So let me ask (with all due respect here): Is it better to swing for the fences and miss, or to get on base? I think it is better not to deal in bluster, because Obama is expecting this. Keep him off balance! Granted, wither way is pretty difficult when dealing with the likes of Obama.

Posted by: isophorone at August 13, 2013 01:18 PM (THdRg)

96 MWR, I left you some presents in the thread below.
Posted by: alexthechick - Not my monkeys. Not my circus. at August 13, 2013 01:15 PM (VtjlW)


Thank you, AtC. But I'm afraid my mood is simply too sour and nihilistic to truly appreciate pretties right now. They'd be as ash in my mouth.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:18 PM (4df7R)

97 Shutting down the government NOW is a loser.



Really not hard to figure this out.



We need to hold our powder dry. It's summer, no one is paying attention
============
That's exactly why it needs done now.

Just like the Sequester of Doom--that never was.

The LIV need to be shown that eliminating large swaths of the federal giver-ment will mean jack, diddly and shit to their everyday lives. Instead of only hearing the hysteria of both sides' predictions and going with the lazy, easy default media narrative.

Better to start it now as you've said, "when no one is paying attention."

And before you know it, it's a month gone by and . . . nothing.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 13, 2013 01:18 PM (VjL9S)

98 NRO? or NPR

Posted by: Jean at August 13, 2013 01:18 PM (CMlD4)

99 Holder is doing the union bidding again - blocking the merger of American and USAir.

Posted by: Jean at August 13, 2013 01:19 PM (CMlD4)

100 Thank you, AtC. But I'm afraid my mood is simply too sour and nihilistic to truly appreciate pretties right now. They'd be as ash in my mouth.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:18 PM (4df7R)



Awwww. *shoves more of BC's tequila through the USB for you*

Posted by: alexthechick - Not my monkeys. Not my circus. at August 13, 2013 01:20 PM (VtjlW)

101 The dems could give fuck all about the little praying boy.
Posted by: RWC at August 13, 2013 01:17 PM (fWAjv)


I disagree. The dems see the little praying boy and say, "All is proceeding as planned." While the PUBBIES see the little praying boy and say," Wow, Obama must be super duper popular!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:20 PM (4df7R)

102 Well, it would be. The problem is that we *also* will be reduced to killing each other with human femur bones while fighting over the tree bark soup.



At that point, I dig up the buried ammo.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:20 PM (p9JxP)

103 It's summer, no one is paying attention

*******

Hmmmm..think I almost agree with that.

Posted by: tasker at August 13, 2013 01:20 PM (r2PLg)

104 I can see it now:

Boehner and Cristi the Hutt alienate the conservative base who them sit home on election day in '14.

The Dems then win back statehoused and legislatures left and right. The GOP loose Senate seats. The Dems gain a majority in the House.

Everything Obama did is retroactively approved. Single-payer socialized medicine is mandated by law with full rationing (Congress excepted, of course). Then the Dem congress goes full corny corporatism and all but the elite Dem-donating rich companies survive the fiscal and regulatory onslaught.

Cory Booker, Hillary Clinton, or Obama will becomes president in '16 after "court politics" leaves one standing (drama sanitized by the media).

Some possible legislation:

*H8 speech will be banned
*Guns will be banned (It's a tax!)
*Journalism will be de facto nationalized with Federal licensing necessary to "report"
*Mandatory gender abolition
*Texas put under martial law

When the next downturn comes, it'll make Weimer Germany seem like a paradise. People will be packed into cities and transportation will be limited to between cities via "high speed rail" (which will be access limited). Crime will sore and it will be blamed on "Whiteness." Guam, Samoa, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands will be given to communists. D.C. will be come a state while some existent and state will be abolished.

Finally, this will happen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA_dI2ia0QM

Posted by: The Political Hat OF DOOM! at August 13, 2013 01:21 PM (Vk2pI)

105 Holder is doing the union bidding again - blocking the merger of American and USAir

Wait, what?

The Unions are the once who forced American to sell in the first place. The Pilots and the Flight Attendants, IIRC. They rejected offer after offer from American to keep it solvent specifically to force it to sell to USAir. Now they're complaining about the merger?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:22 PM (/PCJa)

106 “A shutdown? It’s not happening, it’s really not, but I guess you won’t hear people say that out loud, including me,” chuckles a senior House Republican. “No one, you see, wants to be ‘out-toughed’ on Obamacare. We’re out here talking about repeal everyday. But the speaker and everybody else here know that the Senate votes, unfortunately, will never be there to pass a continuing resolution to defund Obamacare.”

"chuckles." Fucking CHUCKLES!

There are no ban-safe terms for me to express just how much pain I want to inflict on these treasonous cocksuckers.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 13, 2013 01:22 PM (zF6Iw)

107
@AtC,

But even when there is a budget no one adheres to it.
Hell my wife and I are miserable at the budget thing, overages here, underages there, but we're at least in the black.
But the government is far worse, even past budgets that have passed have excluded stuff that gets "fixed" in separate bills.
Frankly a budget is meaningless for the government, even when they have one they don't abide by it.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 13, 2013 01:22 PM (GaqMa)

108 Ambulance in TFG's motorcade runs out of gas. Symbolism much.

Idiots. Incompetence through and through with this gang.

http://tinyurl.com/lpugbyw

Posted by: RWC at August 13, 2013 01:22 PM (fWAjv)

109 Is this the hill to die on?

The question is: Is this a hill?

It looks like it could be a geological incline, certainly.
We should immediately form a committee to find out if indeed, this is a hill. If it is a hill, well we'll cross that bridge when the time comes. We'll get back to you, we promise.

Posted by: GOP at August 13, 2013 01:22 PM (pgQxn)

110 Can anyone name an accomplishment of the GOP since we elected them to the House in 2010?

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 13, 2013 01:23 PM (XUKZU)

111 Real Socialism has no money. All the Low information voters will be working or not eating. The gov't will be handing out jobs. It takes money and prosperity to hand out free generous bennies. This will end and it won't be pretty.

Posted by: bob from table9 at August 13, 2013 01:23 PM (H7qrs)

112 *Texas put under martial law



Good luck with that. Instant secession.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:23 PM (p9JxP)

113 You don't need to stoop to tree bark soup if you have tasty longpig bones out of which to make broth.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 13, 2013 01:23 PM (uYaYO)

114 IIRC, Kucinich is not wealthy.

Which leads to an answer to the question as to how the hell he got that Elf Princess to marry him that I just don't want to consider.

Posted by: alexthechick


Which just means he's better at hiding it. I have a hard time believing he's not on a half-dozen corporate boards and/or "non-profits".

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 13, 2013 01:24 PM (c3xwz)

115
You don't need to stoop to tree bark soup if you have tasty longpig bones out of which to make broth.

***

You are what you eat.

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 13, 2013 01:24 PM (XUKZU)

116 Good luck with that. Instant secession.

Yeah. I don't think anyone realizes how many of All The Guns Texas has within her borders. And there's something about Texas- for almost everyone born here, and many who simply move here, allegiance becomes Texas 1st, and USA 2nd.

I'm informed that's true in the military, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:25 PM (/PCJa)

117 The Pubes' prob is they don't realize who the enemy is -- and it's not your father's Democratic Party. Obama & Co. are hard communists -- and communists do NOT negotiate or cede territory. Ever.

Boehner and most of the others are blinded by "normalcy bias" and do not -- and probably will not, until they're killed or thrown in the gulags like the rest of us -- realize that we are now an occupied country. There has been a coup, the enemy has captured the White House, and Boehner & Co. are still living in the old paradigm, which no longer exists.

Anyone who actually KNOWS communists -- and I have known a few -- knows: YOU CANNOT NEGOTIATE WITH THESE PEOPLE.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at August 13, 2013 01:25 PM (ahdUW)

118 Some possible legislation:

*H8 speech will be banned
*Guns will be banned (It's a tax!)
*Journalism will be de facto nationalized with Federal licensing necessary to "report"
*Mandatory gender abolition
*Texas put under martial law

When the next downturn comes, it'll make Weimer Germany seem like a paradise. People will be packed into cities and transportation will be limited to between cities via "high speed rail" (which will be access limited). Crime will sore and it will be blamed on "Whiteness." Guam, Samoa, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands will be given to communists. D.C. will be come a state while some existent and state will be abolished.

Finally, this will happen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA_dI2ia0QM
Posted by: The Political Hat OF DOOM! at August 13, 2013 01:21 PM (Vk2pI)


********

Some damn good points.

Also remember when Clinton won--he not only was able to make Supreme Court appoints.

He appointed some 300 other federal judges for life.


Two of them Sotomayor and Kagan he got to put on the warm up bench.

Posted by: tasker at August 13, 2013 01:25 PM (r2PLg)

119 The GOP is aware that it *has* a base, isn't it? Sometimes, I wonder.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at August 13, 2013 01:25 PM (QXlbZ)

120 Let it burn and let the Democrats own the ensuing chaos. It will be a huge mess all on its own and the public will be pissed. We shouldn't be fixing the Dem's mess that they made for themselves.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 13, 2013 12:56 PM (pginn)


Won't happen unless the MFM is taken out. Because the Democrats will lie and say the burning was caused by Rethuglican intransigence and racism, but mostly racism. And the MFM will print that.

When the "huge mess" comes, the Dems need to die and the MFM needs to die. But with our cocksucking GOP around, they'll just keep "chuckling" on their way to their next fundraiser with Lehman Brothers.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 13, 2013 01:25 PM (zF6Iw)

121 You are what you eat.



You calling me a pussy?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:25 PM (p9JxP)

122 Ha ha ha the NYT is saying Politico killed the WaPo

Posted by: Jean at August 13, 2013 01:25 PM (CMlD4)

123 The father of one of three Florida teens charged in a vicious school bus attack said his son is “sorry” for taking part in the July beating that made national headlines.
As the trio headed to court on Tuesday, Julian McKnight said his son Julian, 15, has also suffered in the aftermath of the July 9 attack on a Pinellas County school bus after it left Lealman Intermediate School in the St. Petersburg-area community of Gulfport.
“All I can say is that he had his consequences already, you know?” McKnight said. “This is life. I am sorry what happened to the victim. It's just the way it is. My son ain’t never been no bad person, he just got mixed [up] with bad people, that’s all … He’s sorry.”

Fine I accept that. And as soon as he spends a few years in jail, i hope he starts to fly right. But actions have consequences, or they used to

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2013 01:26 PM (9Xc5j)

124 Delaying OCare is playing into the Commie's hands. Repeal, or let it take effect. Delay just puts the pain off until after the mid-terms, the very thing elected Democrats want most.

Posted by: toby928© at August 13, 2013 01:26 PM (QupBk)

125 >>>Show me a poor ex-Congressman. Anytime in the past 50 years. Name one.

Sure. Rep. Chris Shays (R-CT) and former Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI). There's two.

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 13, 2013 01:26 PM (n/+FT)

126
The GOP is aware that it *has* a base, isn't it? Sometimes, I wonder.

***

They see us more as an anchor. Without us, they would be flying to the top!

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 13, 2013 01:26 PM (XUKZU)

127 *Texas put under martial law

Good luck with that. Instant secession.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:23 PM (p9JxP)


The Proggies are itching for a chance to engage in a little genocide...

Posted by: The Political Hat OF DOOM! at August 13, 2013 01:27 PM (Vk2pI)

128 @22 The main reason the GOP is such a lousy opposition party is because they don't *really* oppose a lot of what the statist left wants to accomplish.

Precisely. I've given-up on my hypothetical that the GOP (as currently exists) is really just a patsy shell-corporation subsidiary of the Democrats and accepted that as "the way things are" until someone, somewhere proves me otherwise.

But keep voting GOP, folks. After all, someone has to root for the Washington Generals, you know.

Posted by: DocJ at August 13, 2013 01:27 PM (qCk/f)

129 You are what you eat.



You calling me a pussy?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:25 PM (p9JxP)


*****



bwahaaaaaa

Posted by: bob from table9 at August 13, 2013 01:27 PM (H7qrs)

130 Holder is doing the union bidding again - blocking the merger of American and USAir.
Posted by: Jean at August 13, 2013 01:19 PM (CMlD4)


--------------------------------------------------


I had a feeling that the WH would step into this. They don't want airlines to be viable. They want to completely control and/or destroy them too, because, global warming.

Posted by: Soona at August 13, 2013 01:27 PM (pzx85)

131 >>Which just means he's better at hiding it. I have a hard time believing he's not on a half-dozen corporate boards and/or "non-profits".

Nah. Kucinich is a dunce even by liberal standards. Look at what he did for Cleveland and consider his financial prowess.

He's far from rich and connected but he does have his congressional pension and benefits and his wife seems to have some assets including owning a flat in the UK. No tears from me.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 13, 2013 01:28 PM (g1DWB)

132 All I can say is that he had his consequences already, you know?” McKnight said. “This is life. I am sorry what happened to the victim. It's just the way it is. My son ain’t never been no bad person, he just got mixed [up] with bad people, that’s all … He’s sorry.”

Sorry, but, "It's just the way it is," is not reason enough to grant this kid or the others any kind of clemency. He's had consequences already? Oh really? What were they? Tell me, please.

Fuck you, Julian. And fuck your namesake son.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:28 PM (4df7R)

133 What happened to: repeal all waivers, make congressional staff live with it, too?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 13, 2013 01:28 PM (QF8uk)

134 Yeah. I don't think anyone realizes how many of All The Guns Texas has within her borders. And there's something about Texas- for almost everyone born here, and many who simply move here, allegiance becomes Texas 1st, and USA 2nd.

I'm informed that's true in the military, too.


Go to another country. When asked "Where are you from?" people from the other 49 reply, "The US".

Texans reply, "Texas".

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:28 PM (p9JxP)

135 Now they're complaining about the merger?

Posted by: AllenG

Different union - consolidation of maintenance hubs will kill machinist jobs.

Posted by: Jean at August 13, 2013 01:29 PM (CMlD4)

136 Ha ha ha the NYT is saying Politico killed the WaPo
Posted by: Jean at August 13, 2013 01:25 PM (CMlD4)


It's like fucking junior high.

"Suzy says that Amy told Brianna that Tommy kissed Anne!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:29 PM (4df7R)

137 You calling me a pussy?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:25 PM (p9JxP)

Put yo money wur yur mouf iz.

Posted by: Rachel Jenteal at August 13, 2013 01:29 PM (fWAjv)

138 Go to another country. When asked "Where are you from?" people from the other 49 reply, "The US".



Texans reply, "Texas".



Posted by: rickb223


I reply Virginia, which confuses the shit out of the Euros

Posted by: Jean at August 13, 2013 01:29 PM (CMlD4)

139 Obamacare is already driving up premiums and driving insurers out of some areas.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 13, 2013 01:00 PM (pginn)

The Democrat-Media-Hollywood complex will ensure that the LIVs blame the GOP for any problems associated with Obamacare. Either because the GOP didn't embrace it and force its full implementation, or the eeevil insurance companies, or they will simply flat-out lie about it. And the GOP can't or won't even dispute it.

Posted by: LauraC at August 13, 2013 01:30 PM (fXZDm)

140 Different union - consolidation of maintenance hubs will kill machinist jobs.

Okay, that's funny. Since the maintenance workers were the only ones saying "C'mon, guys, take the deals!" I guess I'm not surprised, though.

Of course, I'm a fan of Southwest Air, so anything bad that happens to American is just hilarious to me.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:30 PM (/PCJa)

141 116 Good luck with that. Instant secession.

Yeah. I don't think anyone realizes how many of All The Guns Texas has within her borders. And there's something about Texas- for almost everyone born here, and many who simply move here, allegiance becomes Texas 1st, and USA 2nd.

I'm informed that's true in the military, too.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:25 PM (/PCJa)

************

It doesn't really solve the problem.

It solves it for you specifically because you are already there but in reality not everyone can move to Texas.

Posted by: tasker at August 13, 2013 01:31 PM (r2PLg)

142 The Proggies are itching for a chance to engage in a little genocide...


With whom? Fetuses? Because they damn sure won't face armed people.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:31 PM (p9JxP)

Posted by: tasker at August 13, 2013 01:31 PM (r2PLg)

144 But they can move to Italicsy.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 13, 2013 01:31 PM (QF8uk)

145
perilously close to the barrel

Posted by: fixerupper at August 13, 2013 01:31 PM (nELVU)

146 With whom? Fetuses? Because they damn sure won't face armed people.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:31 PM (p9JxP)


No, they won't. They'll get their newly gayed-up military to do it for them.

And before you say, "The military won't!" I ask you to remember that not everyone in the military is on our side, and the ones who ARE are getting otu in droves.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:32 PM (4df7R)

147 144 But they can move to Italicsy.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 13, 2013 01:31 PM (QF8uk)

145
perilously close to the barrel
Posted by: fixerupper at August 13, 2013 01:31 PM (nELVU)

**********

Son of a Umlat!

Damn it--only caught up one person that time.

Posted by: tasker at August 13, 2013 01:33 PM (r2PLg)

148 Thank you, AtC. But I'm afraid my mood is simply too sour and nihilistic to truly appreciate pretties right now. They'd be as ash in my mouth. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:18 PM (4df7R)

You and me both, dear lady. I want people hurt so much right now. Badly hurt as in sell-your-kidney-to-afford-food hurt.

Thank God I've got a little booze money set aside. I plan on getting blind drunk tonight, so if there's no story in the morning, you'll know why.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (zF6Iw)

149 It solves it for you specifically because you are already there but in reality not everyone can move to Texas.

First: Barrel.

Second.

I was only talking about the Martial Law v Secession part. IF the Federal Government tries to impose Martial Law on Texas, we will move to secede. And we have Fort Bliss, Fort Hood, Dyess AFB, and the DFW Naval Air Station/Joint Reserve Base (off the top of my head). Not to mention Bell Helicopter, Raytheon, and General Dynamics.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (/PCJa)

150
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:32 PM (4df7R)

I'd hope that whatever side the military is on that being deployed on US soil without a foreign enemy would be a nonstarter for most of them.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (GaqMa)

151 I ask you to remember that not everyone in the military is on our side, and the ones who ARE are getting otu in droves.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:32 PM (4df7R)


That's not really true at all.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (9Xc5j)

152 Can anyone name an accomplishment of the GOP since we elected them to the House in 2010?
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 13, 2013 01:23 PM (XUKZU)



Defeat of gun control.

Posted by: alexthechick - Not my monkeys. Not my circus. at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (VtjlW)

153 The Proggies are itching for a chance to engage in a little genocide...

With whom? Fetuses? Because they damn sure won't face armed people.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:31 PM (p9JxP)


Who do you think will have access to the a-bombs?

Posted by: The Political Hat OF DOOM! at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (Vk2pI)

154 I want the chuckler identified. I want to know who it is that's killing any future for the GOP, because I won't vote for any of them unless I know who this guy is, and he is subsequently out of a job.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (xjpRj)

155 Different union - consolidation of maintenance hubs will kill machinist jobs.

Okay, that's funny. Since the maintenance workers were the only ones saying "C'mon, guys, take the deals!" I guess I'm not surprised, though.

Of course, I'm a fan of Southwest Air, so anything bad that happens to American is just hilarious to me.


Already happed at Alliance Airport vs. DFW Airport.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:35 PM (p9JxP)

156 Can anyone name an accomplishment of the GOP since we elected them to the House in 2010?
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 13, 2013 01:23 PM (XUKZU)


Defeat of gun control.
Posted by: alexthechick - Not my monkeys. Not my circus. at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (VtjlW)

obama is about to sign that UN treaty this month. it's not over till it's over

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2013 01:35 PM (9Xc5j)

157 I'd hope that whatever side the military is on that being deployed on US soil without a foreign enemy would be a nonstarter for most of them.
Posted by: tsrblke at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (GaqMa)


To the progs, we ARE the enemy. Very much the enemy.

That's not really true at all.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (9Xc5j)


I hope you're right.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:35 PM (4df7R)

158 Gosh, I'm so glad this Senior House Republican
thinks it's chuckle-worthy. Nice to know someone out there is laughing,
cuz I'm sure not.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 12:56 PM


And who, aside from a few malcontented Morons, is suggesting they do otherwise? There's certainly no pressure from anyone within their own, tight-knit incestuous group.

Well, maybe Poppin' Fresh (and his buddy teh "Generalissimo") are giggling and tittering about it, all the while singing: "Where have you gone Tim Pawlenty/ The nation lifts its lonely eyes to you...."

Read the Declaration of Independence again, peeps. Once again, it tells us what's wrong and what we have the right to do.

As in: build a wall around Washington D.C. and turn it into a friggin' prison farm.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 13, 2013 01:35 PM (kaGpp)

159 Of course, I'm a fan of Southwest Air, so anything bad that happens to American is just hilarious to me.


I have 1.3 million miles with AA, so I'm not laughing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2013 01:36 PM (9Xc5j)

160 I was only talking about the Martial Law v Secession part. IF the Federal Government tries to impose Martial Law on Texas, we will move to secede. And we have Fort Bliss, Fort Hood, Dyess AFB, and the DFW Naval Air Station/Joint Reserve Base (off the top of my head). Not to mention Bell Helicopter, Raytheon, and General Dynamics.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (/PCJa)

***************

Sorry AllenG.

That's what I get for reading backwards while drinking coffee and trying to do laundry.

Ugh.

Posted by: tasker at August 13, 2013 01:36 PM (r2PLg)

161 Can anyone name an accomplishment of the GOP since we elected them to the House in 2010?
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 13, 2013 01:23 PM (XUKZU)

Defeat of gun control.

Posted by: alexthechick - Not my monkeys. Not my circus. at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (VtjlW)


THIS.

The House GOP are not going to "accomplish" anything. They aren't expected to. All I ask is that they don't make things worse.

Sadly, they are planning to do just that, which will result in the Dems taking the House and making it even worse…

Posted by: The Political Hat OF DOOM! at August 13, 2013 01:36 PM (Vk2pI)

162 Fuck you, Julian. And fuck your namesake son.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:28 PM (4df7R)

He's turning his life around.

http://tinyurl.com/lm76qg6

Posted by: RWC at August 13, 2013 01:36 PM (fWAjv)

163 But they can move to Italicsy.


Isn't that in Central Texas?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:37 PM (p9JxP)

164 We are all France now.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 13, 2013 01:37 PM (BAS5M)

165
152 Can anyone name an accomplishment of the GOP since we elected them to the House in 2010?
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 13, 2013 01:23 PM (XUKZU)


Defeat of gun control.

Made the Bush tax cuts permanent. That chaps Obama's ass everyday.

Posted by: Kind of Obvious at August 13, 2013 01:37 PM (oDCMR)

166 Already happed at Alliance Airport vs. DFW Airport.

I'm waiting for the wailing and gnashing of teeth that will accompany the (finally!!) expiration of the Wright Amendment next year. It will warm the very cockles of my heart.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:37 PM (/PCJa)

167 Made the Bush tax cuts permanent. That chaps Obama's ass everyday.

Point of order: there is no such thing as a permanent tax cut.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:37 PM (4df7R)

168
132 He's had consequences already? Oh really? What were they? Tell me, please.

No X-Box after 10PM on a school nightfor the last week or so.

Posted by: Anachronda at August 13, 2013 01:38 PM (NmR1a)

169 Of course, I'm a fan of Southwest Air, so anything bad that happens to American is just hilarious to me.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:30 PM (/PCJa)


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I like American Airlines. They've treated me and many of my friends very well. It would be sad to see them fold.

Posted by: Soona at August 13, 2013 01:38 PM (pzx85)

170 But they can move to Italicsy.
Isn't that in Central Texas?


Probably Houston. The humidity’s pretty bad there.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 13, 2013 01:38 PM (QF8uk)

171 That's what I get for reading backwards while drinking coffee and trying to do laundry.

No worries. I've reacted to a comment or 7 without considering the context.

Yep. Just checked my nose and it is not out of joint.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:39 PM (/PCJa)

172 I'd hope that whatever side the military is on that being deployed on US soil without a foreign enemy would be a nonstarter for most of them.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (GaqMa)


Five years ago, I'd have agreed with you. Now? I don't.

Obama truly is the Antichrist.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 13, 2013 01:39 PM (zF6Iw)

173
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:35 PM (4df7R)

It's a pretty big jump though from "legislate them out of existence" to "fire upon those Americans" though. You'd think not, but it is.

Are there some people in the military who would probably do it? Sure, recent history has shown at least a few crazies are in the ranks.
But, I'm hoping its small enough to not matter.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 13, 2013 01:39 PM (GaqMa)

174 Who do you think will have access to the a-bombs?



Non-starter. The fedgov would lose the other 49. Once they realized it could be any one of them...

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:39 PM (p9JxP)

175 Non-starter. The fedgov would lose the other 49. Once they realized it could be any one of them...
Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:39 PM (p9JxP)


Would they? Or would the blue states all decide that sitting at the Devil's right hand is far preferable to standing in his way?

"That's not going to happen to US. WE'RE not Texas."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:41 PM (4df7R)

176 Made the Bush tax cuts permanent. That chaps Obama's ass everyday.

Lucky Reggie's right there with some soothing cream.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 13, 2013 01:41 PM (zF6Iw)

177 I had 4+ million TWA miles AA refused to honor, I'd burn those suckers up if I were you

Posted by: Jean at August 13, 2013 01:42 PM (CMlD4)

178 It's a pretty big jump though from "legislate them out of existence" to "fire upon those Americans" though. You'd think not, but it is.

Maybe. You'll pardon me if my faith in my fellow Americans has waned to the point of virtual oblivion.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:42 PM (4df7R)

179 >>I was only talking about the Martial Law v Secession part. IF the Federal Government tries to impose Martial Law on Texas, we will move to secede. And we have Fort Bliss, Fort Hood, Dyess AFB, and the DFW Naval Air Station/Joint Reserve Base (off the top of my head). Not to mention Bell Helicopter, Raytheon, and General Dynamics.

Pretty sure Texas isn't going to get a lot of help from federal military bases that happen to be located in Texas. In fact, you might want to watch your back.

Bell Helicopter is owned by Textron which is HQ'ed in RI and Raytheon in MA and GD in VA. Pretty sure those states aren't going to support a Texas secession.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 13, 2013 01:42 PM (g1DWB)

180 Given that the Chicago Mafia is in the White House, and knowing its usual M.O., I wonder how many of our Congresspeople have actually received horrifying threats to their families. We know that the Benghazi survivors have been threatened; various reporters and bloggers have been threatened; Obama's former gay lovers in Chicago were actually KILLED, "execution style" (as I said, Mafia); Breitbart was offed and the assistant L.A. coroner working on his autopsy was killed by arsenic poisoning the night before the release of the results; other reporters have been threatened; the guy who, back in 2008, was working in the passport office and discovered Obama's identity fraud was brutally murdered.... There are more skeletons in Obama/Jarrett's closet than probably all previous presidents put together.

Most of us suspect that Chief Justice John Roberts was blackmailed before his bizarre Obamacare decision. Why would we think that Congressmen, of all people, would be miraculously exempt from the death threats and blackmail? It would be odd if they were the ONLY group not on the receiving end of the Chicago Mafia's thug tactics.

Then again, they may just be spineless idiots.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at August 13, 2013 01:42 PM (ahdUW)

181 I'm really thinking about becoming a liberal.

I'll register as a dem, spew the same tired talking points about racist white repubs, say whatever the fuck I want to whomever the fuck I want and there will be NO CONSEQUENCE, EVER.

What's not to like?

Posted by: © Sponge at August 13, 2013 01:42 PM (xmcEQ)

182 "Read the Declaration of Independence again, peeps. Once again, it tells us what's wrong and what we have the right to do."


Ha! That's rich! I could count on two hands how many people I could count on to go toe-to-toe in armed conflict with the government if push came to shove. That kind of dedication comes from conviction and commitment, neither of which are abundant in today's society.

I can only pray that will not be necessary.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 13, 2013 01:42 PM (lbBsF)

183 That's not really true at all.


Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (9Xc5j)


May not want to talk to my USN Enlisted Son then....

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 13, 2013 01:43 PM (lZBBB)

184
I disagree. The dems see the little praying boy and say, "All is proceeding as planned." While the PUBBIES see the little praying boy and say," Wow, Obama must be super duper popular!"

And the rest us normal people look at that little kid and think, "WTF is up with this? What's wrong with this picture, besides everything?"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at August 13, 2013 01:43 PM (0HooB)

185 I had 4+ million TWA miles AA refused to honor, I'd burn those suckers up if I were you
Posted by: Jean at August 13, 2013 01:42 PM (CMlD4)

MIne are all being honored

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 13, 2013 01:43 PM (9Xc5j)

186 I'll register as a dem, spew the same tired talking points about racist
white repubs, say whatever the fuck I want to whomever the fuck I want
and there will be NO CONSEQUENCE, EVER.


Don't forget the groping.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 13, 2013 01:43 PM (/kI1Q)

187 House GOP Leadership likely already has deal to get a 1 yr delay on ocare individual mandate w Dem senate that doesn't want to run on ocare

Meanwhile GOP House is going to pass miniAmnesty bills for Cantors DreamKids and millions of H1Bs and greencards for lobbyists.

A house for every amnesty for RealEstate
Retail sales goosed

Of course as every school adds ESL & every court adds interpreters for spanishJuries and healthCare is stretched, local budgets are fooked and our prop taxes(soon no longer deductible) will skyrocket

Position accordingly

Posted by: ginaswo at August 13, 2013 01:43 PM (iYVEB)

188 @110 Yeah, they agreed to a redistricting that made Rep. West lose his new district in FL.

Posted by: Blue-state Refugee at August 13, 2013 01:43 PM (U3Z0J)

189 Government shut down makes it more likely Dems retake House and then we're all really, really, really fucked.

Repubs should just try to be the reasonable adults in the room while we bide our time and wait for Dem economic incompetence to convert LIVs to SIVs who then pull the lever for Reps. I see no reasonable alternative.

Posted by: A Practical Gentleman at August 13, 2013 01:44 PM (3vVW7)

190 "It comes down to the damage you think ObamaCare (or a slightly less
awful Republican version) will do to the fabric of America as we know
it. If you look around at the growth and power of government in the last
half century or so, then putting the final piece in place (the takeover
of health care) is a great idea. If you think now is the time to take a
stand before the last step to full on Euro-socialism hits, then no cost
is too high to try and stop it."
I'm sorry, but that is mindless bullshit. We are not going to stop ObamaCare with a continuing resolution. Fighting for one just makes you look like a suicidal idiot, destroying any ability to accomplish anything.
Fight Amnesty. Fight allowing any changes in ObamaCare. Fight for making sure that ObamaCare is an utter disaster, and it's pinned entirely on the Democrats.
Fighting to defund ObamaCare via a CR / shut down the gov't? you will fail, and you will then also fail at any of the things where you could have won, because the hill you picked to die on took you out of the debate.

Posted by: Greg Q at August 13, 2013 01:44 PM (4Pleu)

191 I'd hope that whatever side the military is on that
being deployed on US soil without a foreign enemy would be a nonstarter
for most of them.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 13, 2013 01:34 PM (GaqMa)

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yeah... it is ..... for now. Just imagine.....

..... in a few years/decades a Wesley Clark Clone Commanding General has orders from President Chelsea Clinton to forcibly confiscate firearms in Oklahoma City because the Oklahoma National Guard refuses to recognize the 2021 Firearms Reduction for the Children Act and prohibits firearm confiscation in the State.
The Federal forces,with its ranks swelled with newly legalized illegals, inner city youths taking advantage of the ARMY Diversity enrollment drive, and Federally Funded Civil Service initiatives..... engage the Guard Northeast of Lawton OK.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 13, 2013 01:44 PM (nELVU)

192 And before you say, "The military won't!" I ask you to remember that not everyone in the military is on our side, and the ones who ARE are getting otu in droves.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:32 PM (4df7R)

I can't imagine a possible world where my son, a US Army infantryman currently serving in Afghanistan, would take up arms against people who believe as I do, against me. Those soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines are overwhelmingly OUR children, our brothers and sisters, not theirs. True enough, the Democrats own the generals and the admirals, positions which have always been highly politicized in favor of the party in power, but I wouldn't give much for the longterm career prospects of a flag officer who gives the order against American citizens on American soil.

Posted by: troyriser at August 13, 2013 01:45 PM (2jF2B)

193 Nevergiveup? from what 10years ago

Posted by: Jean at August 13, 2013 01:45 PM (CMlD4)

194 Keep trying, Drew. You've almost got me persuaded to vote for Hillary.

Posted by: JohnJ at August 13, 2013 01:45 PM (TF/YA)

195 No worries. I've reacted to a comment or 7 without considering the context.

Yep. Just checked my nose and it is not out of joint.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:39 PM (/PCJa)


**************

Thanks AllenG.

Posted by: tasker at August 13, 2013 01:45 PM (r2PLg)

196 Bell Helicopter is owned by Textron which is HQ'ed in RI and Raytheon in MA and GD in VA. Pretty sure those states aren't going to support a Texas secession.


Come get your shit. If you are able.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:45 PM (p9JxP)

197 Non-starter. The fedgov would lose the other 49. Once they realized it could be any one of them...

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:39 PM (p9JxP)


Fear will keep them in line…

Posted by: Grand Moff Cuomo at August 13, 2013 01:45 PM (Vk2pI)

198 I like American Airlines. They've treated me and many of my friends very well. It would be sad to see them fold.

I don't have any problems with American as an airline. As an entity, they're skirting the line with "evil" in how they use the Government to hold back competition.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:46 PM (/PCJa)

199 Posted by: fixerupper at August 13, 2013 01:44 PM (nELVU)


Exhibit 1? They were confiscating guns after Katrina.... ie... confiscating guns during the time you would need them most for self protection.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 13, 2013 01:46 PM (lZBBB)

200 I'll register as a dem, spew the same tired talking points about racist white repubs, say whatever the fuck I want to whomever the fuck I want and there will be NO CONSEQUENCE, EVER. What's not to like?
Posted by: © Sponge at August 13, 2013 01:42 PM (xmcEQ)


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Vee vill velcome you, komrad. Now, get back to ze verk. No verk, no eating.

Posted by: Your friendly leftist commissar at August 13, 2013 01:46 PM (pzx85)

201 I can only pray that will not be necessary.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 13, 2013 01:42 PM


My fear is that a time will come when we have no choice. The Choom Boy regime is drawing the red lines for us; it may be impossible to cross from one side to the other.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 13, 2013 01:46 PM (kaGpp)

202 The Federal forces,with its ranks swelled with newly legalized illegals, inner city youths taking advantage of the ARMY Diversity enrollment drive, and Federally Funded Civil Service initiatives..... engage the Guard Northeast of Lawton OK.



Hope they don't have families, kids, etc...

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:47 PM (p9JxP)

203 Don't forget the groping.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 13, 2013 01:43 PM (/kI1Q)


I didn't figure that needed mentioning as I thought whitehouse blowjobs and handfulls of boob came with the job.

Posted by: © Sponge at August 13, 2013 01:47 PM (xmcEQ)

204 Hope they don't have families, kids, etc...
Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:47 PM (p9JxP)


Planned parenthood and gangland violence will have already taken care of that.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:48 PM (4df7R)

205 I can't imagine a possible world where my son, a US Army infantryman currently serving in Afghanistan, would take up arms against people who believe as I do, against me. Those soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines are overwhelmingly OUR children, our brothers and sisters, not theirs. True enough, the Democrats own the generals and the admirals, positions which have always been highly politicized in favor of the party in power, but I wouldn't give much for the longterm career prospects of a flag officer who gives the order against American citizens on American soil.

Posted by: troyriser at August 13, 2013 01:45 PM (2jF2B)


I can imagine that world. More specifically, I can imagine your son being told, "open fire on those traitors, soldier, or your division will be ordered to puta bullet through your head."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 13, 2013 01:48 PM (zF6Iw)

206 Posted by: troyriser at August 13, 2013 01:45 PM (2jF2B)

It won't be the US Army.... they are all overseas...

It will be the Militarized Federal Police force....

Why in the HELL do you think the Dept. of EDUCATION, needs a SWAT Team? Why does the IRS have a HUGE budget for Ammunition? (when they HAVE no arrest or Police Powers...)...

And why would you put a Political Wonk with NO National Security Credentials, in as National Security Advisor?

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 13, 2013 01:49 PM (lZBBB)

207 Planned parenthood and gangland violence will have already taken care of that.


Mothers, fathers, aunties, uncles, cousins, ho's...

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:50 PM (p9JxP)

208 "Major, will you carry out my orders?"
"No, Sir, I cannot."
[Shoots Major in head.]
"Captain, you're promoted. Captain, will you carry out my orders?"
"YES, SIR!!!"

Repeat a dozen or so times. Get it?

Posted by: A Practical Gentleman at August 13, 2013 01:50 PM (3vVW7)

209 Pretty sure Texas isn't going to get a lot of help from federal military bases that happen to be located in Texas. In fact, you might want to watch your back.

On the military bases thing... I'm not sure. Like I said, I'm told that Allegiance to Texas even inculcates through the military here. I don't know that to be true, of course, but it's what I've been told. It doesn't matter if General McDemocrat is against us when 90% of the enlisted men are for us. And our National Guard contingents are pretty big, too.

As for Bell and Raytheon- possession is 9 points of the law. Or, as we say here: "Come and take it."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at August 13, 2013 01:51 PM (/PCJa)

210 American Airlines is the worst airline I've ever had the misfortune of having to travel.

Their customer service tends to suck, they're the tops airline that I've had to spend more time in airports due to delays (Continental is #1 there) and charge me for a seat AFTER I've bought my ticket, should I want to sit in my preferred seat.

They set the bar for other airlines to see what they can get away with.

Let them burn.


Why the fuck should I have to pay for them signing liberal deals with their unions (like Detroit)?!?

Fuck em....

Posted by: © Sponge at August 13, 2013 01:51 PM (xmcEQ)

211 Mothers, fathers, aunties, uncles, cousins, ho's...
Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:50 PM (p9JxP)


Fathers? It is to laugh.

Uncles and cousins? Either in prison or working for the gubmint.

Mothers? Probably dead from ovarian, uteran or breast cancer thanks to Ocare.

Hos? Who da fuck cares about hos?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:51 PM (4df7R)

212 Exhibit 1? They were confiscating guns after Katrina.... ie... confiscating guns during the time you would need them most for self protection.


Try it state wide. It would have to be all at once.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:52 PM (p9JxP)

213 Repubs should just try to be the reasonable adults in the room while we bide our time and wait for Dem economic incompetence to convert LIVs to SIVs who then pull the lever for Reps. I see no reasonable alternative.
Posted by: A Practical Gentleman at August 13, 2013 01:44 PM (3vVW7)

Oh, I see: the winning by losing strategy. Quietly accede to your opponent's dominance of the board in hopes that a highly improbable immediateevent--such as the suspension of the laws of physics or the conversion of LIVs to Republican voters--will propel you to victory at the last possible moment. Good luck with that.

Posted by: troyriser at August 13, 2013 01:52 PM (2jF2B)

214 But...it's Jeb's turn!

Posted by: Laura Castellano at August 13, 2013 01:53 PM (luhCM)

215 It won't be the US Army.... they are all overseas... It will be the Militarized Federal Police force.... Why in the HELL do you think the Dept. of EDUCATION, needs a SWAT Team? Why does the IRS have a HUGE budget for Ammunition? (when they HAVE no arrest or Police Powers...)...

This x100.

Major, will you carry out my orders?""No, Sir, I cannot."[Shoots Major in head.]"Captain, you're promoted. Captain, will you carry out my orders?""YES, SIR!!!"Repeat a dozen or so times. Get it?

This x1000.

And if, by some miracle, Texas did secede, do you think the ruling junta wouldn't immediately ground all domestic flights and forbid people to travel outside their own states so as to keep anyone else from going to Texas?

I'm out for the day. I can't handle this thread any more. See you all tomorrow, perhaps.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 13, 2013 01:53 PM (zF6Iw)

216 Don't drink yourself to death, MP4! But tip one back for me if you would.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at August 13, 2013 01:53 PM (4df7R)

217 On the military bases thing... I'm not sure. Like I said, I'm told that Allegiance to Texas even inculcates through the military here. I don't know that to be true, of course, but it's what I've been told. It doesn't matter if General McDemocrat is against us when 90% of the enlisted men are for us. And our National Guard contingents are pretty big, too.



And a lot of housing & schools are NOT on base.
"Nice family you've got there private"...

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:54 PM (p9JxP)

218 Its already been done. Remember the ww1 bonus army wanting its bonus early. Some of them were shot by Mc Arthur's army.

Don't worry yourself, they mostly follow orders some may leave to avoid it, but the ones in front of you will shoot.

Posted by: bob from table9 at August 13, 2013 01:54 PM (H7qrs)

219 I can't imagine a possible world where my son, a US Army infantryman currently serving in Afghanistan, would take up arms against people who believe as I do, against me. Those soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines are overwhelmingly OUR children, our brothers and sisters, not theirs. True enough, the Democrats own the generals and the admirals, positions which have always been highly politicized in favor of the party in power, but I wouldn't give much for the longterm career prospects of a flag officer who gives the order against American citizens on American soil.
Posted by: troyriser at August 13, 2013 01:45 PM (2jF2B)


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The military IS being changed ever so slowly. It's the reason why gays have the final sayso in personnel policy. It's why the regime is trying to strangle religion in the military. It's why women were given the green light to take positions in front-line units. And I can go on.

Dear Leader is changing themilitary in a way and with people that will have fielty to no one but "Der SCOAMT".

Yes, sooner rather than later, I can see a majority of the military willing to oppress/kill Americans.

Posted by: Your friendly leftist commissar at August 13, 2013 01:55 PM (pzx85)

220 ..... in a few years/decades a Wesley Clark Clone
Commanding General has orders from President Chelsea Clinton to forcibly
confiscate firearms in Oklahoma City because the Oklahoma National
Guard refuses to recognize the 2021 Firearms Reduction for the Children
Act and prohibits firearm confiscation in the State.
The Federal
forces,with its ranks swelled with newly legalized illegals, inner city
youths taking advantage of the ARMY Diversity enrollment drive, and
Federally Funded Civil Service initiatives..... engage the Guard
Northeast of Lawton OK.


Posted by: fixerupper


... the OK Guard whose ranks are full of combat veterans with multiple tours in the Middle East ... quickly establish a blocking force to delay the Feds at suburban edge of Lawton, ... irregular forces infiltrate key communications and fuel depots at Ft Sill, while simulteanuously hitting the Federal forces all the way back at Ft Lost in the Woods, Mo ...within hours hundreds of OK native SOF veterans have spread throughout Southern and Central MO - enflaming a nascent revolt isolating Springfield. ... at hour 12, the 49th Armored Guard units arrive from Texas in support of OK

Posted by: Jean at August 13, 2013 01:55 PM (CMlD4)

221 And before you say, "The military won't!" I ask you to remember that not everyone in the military is on our side, and the ones who ARE are getting out in droves.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit
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Someone said something like that once back in the early part of the 1900's....It wasn't the Free Shit Army....Hmmmmmmm, let me think.....Oh Yeah! It was the Bonus Army.

IIRC, President Hoover had some guys named Patton and Eisenhower clear them out. Seems that there was someone named MacArthur involved as well.

Didn't work out so well for the Bonus Army guys and they were ex-military. It certainly won't go any better in this day and age, and especially for those who aren't ex-military.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 13, 2013 01:55 PM (lbBsF)

222 Show me where a Government shutdown has strengthened the party that forced it.

Posted by: A Practical Gentleman at August 13, 2013 01:56 PM (3vVW7)

223 My fear is that a time will come when we have no choice. The Choom Boy regime is drawing the red lines for us; it may be impossible to cross from one side to the other.


Posted by: MrScribbler at August 13, 2013 01:46 PM (kaGpp)


Many Many Southerners.... including my direct Ancestor, fought for the South not because they supported slavery, but because they felt they were given no choice.

Note... Fort Sumter was fired on, by the South, AFTER the North attempted to reinforce it, breaking an agreement with the Southern Forces (which said food OK, but no troops).

Note, the First Battle of Manassas... or Bull Run as the Northerners called it... was on Southern Soil....

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 13, 2013 01:56 PM (lZBBB)

224 Yes, sooner rather than later, I can see a majority of the military willing to oppress/kill Americans.



That can become a two way street.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:57 PM (p9JxP)

225 >>As for Bell and Raytheon- possession is 9 points of the law. Or, as we say here: "Come and take it."

I know Texans are proud of their state but me thinks sometimes you guys believe a little too much of your own hype.

Texas vs. the resources of the feds? My money is on the feds.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 13, 2013 01:58 PM (g1DWB)

226 Note, the First Battle of Manassas... or Bull Run as the Northerners called it... was on Southern Soil....
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 13, 2013 01:56 PM (lZBBB)

You really want to go there? Give it a rest.

Posted by: troyriser at August 13, 2013 01:59 PM (2jF2B)

227 Try it state wide. It would have to be all at once.


Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2013 01:52 PM (p9JxP)


People here are saying that the Police, and Army, would not enforce an UnConstitutional order.... I merely point out, that they already have.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 13, 2013 01:59 PM (lZBBB)

228 Posted by: © Sponge at August 13, 2013 01:51 PM (xmcEQ)


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When Southwest Airlines adopts "business class" travel, I'll fly them. Until then, fuck Southwest.

Posted by: Your friendly leftist commissar at August 13, 2013 02:00 PM (pzx85)

229 Off, commie sock

Posted by: Soona at August 13, 2013 02:01 PM (pzx85)

230 Posted by: troyriser at August 13, 2013 01:59 PM (2jF2B)

Soooo... I'm not supposed to point out historic precedents.... from our OWN country?

I'm pointing out that the military CAN and HAS done some pretty heinous things... and that some in Rebellion can feel they are forced into it...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 13, 2013 02:03 PM (lZBBB)

231 Personally, I think the split won't be on State lines - but rural vs urban. Dropping power lines, cutting gas and oil pipelines, blocking highways ... The cities cannot sustain themselves without a finely tuned infrastructure. It would get ugly fast, and the manpower the Feds would need to protect those dispersed assets -- are the ones most likely to cut them.

Posted by: Jean at August 13, 2013 02:04 PM (CMlD4)

232 It's a pretty big jump though from "legislate them out of existence" to "fire upon those Americans" though. You'd think not, but it is.

Are there some people in the military who would probably do it? Sure, recent history has shown at least a few crazies are in the ranks.
But, I'm hoping its small enough to not matter.
Posted by: tsrblke at August 13, 2013 01:39 PM (GaqMa)
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After Hurricane Katrina, National Guard troops kicked down doors, illegally searched houses, and illegally confiscated guns from law-abiding citizens. At least one little old lady was literally thrown down to the floor during this process. Because they were told to. I've seen video of one Guardsman saying he couldn't believe he was being told to do this in America, to Americans... while he was doing it.

Yeah, they'll shoot if they're told to.

Posted by: LauraC at August 13, 2013 02:04 PM (fXZDm)

233 Pull the plug, there are freaking consequences for a rampant out of control government run by a dictator and his czars....

Posted by: Rob in Katy at August 13, 2013 02:04 PM (gdGJ1)

234 Personally, I think the split won't be on State lines - but rural vs
urban. Dropping power lines, cutting gas and oil pipelines, blocking
highways ... The cities cannot sustain themselves without a finely tuned
infrastructure.


When the sh-t hits the fan, it's not going to be Bull Run and Antietam where both sides line and shoot cannons at each other. It's going to be Viet Cong-style insurgencies. And the FedGov will be too bankrupt to fight an insurgency and keep the welfare checks coming.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at August 13, 2013 02:13 PM (QXlbZ)

235 I'm pointing out that the military CAN and HAS done some pretty heinous things... and that some in Rebellion can feel they are forced into it...
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 13, 2013 02:03 PM (lZBBB)

Arming Ft. Sumpter was not a 'heinous thing'. Ft. Sumpter was not a Confederate possession since the United States never (not once not ever) recognized the Confederacy as a separate country. Secondly, fighting Confederates in Manassas or anywhere else was not tantamount to an incursion into a sovereign nation. And if you really want to talk about 'heinous', let's talk about Andersonville prison, where one of my great-great uncles from the 19th Indianalies buried in an unmarked mass grave. Or, hey, we can talk about Ft. Pillow, where Confederates under Forrestshot all black prisoners of war. Or how about Lee's invasion of Pennsylvania, where all free blacks and freedmenslaves discovered by Confederate forces along the waywere forcibly sent back to slavery inthe South? Bloody Bill Anderson's name ring a bell? The Centralia Massacre? The Lawrence Massacre? Any of that? Don't talk to me about heinous.

Didn't like Reconstruction? You had it coming.

Posted by: troyriser at August 13, 2013 02:19 PM (2jF2B)

236 Posted by: troyriser at August 13, 2013 02:19 PM (2jF2B)

Well, there we are. That will be the standard response when the Obama regime nukes Dallas. "Didn't like that? You had it coming."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 13, 2013 02:24 PM (zF6Iw)

237 Basically, if the policies be wrong, then it will be important later on to have had no complicity with them, and if they somehow be right, the Democrats can and will do them. There is thus simply no need for establishment GOP types other than to serve as dampers. For those who value that sort of thing, more power to you.

National survival and GOP pol survival are not synonymous. Let them of the establishment GOP earn their own victories. They would rather we not make demands on them anyway, so we should not. They think their unique vision will make them prosper. Let them prove it without us, as they desire.

Posted by: Mr. Happy-Ounce of Prevention, Pound of Cure at August 13, 2013 02:38 PM (Unw5+)

238 Well, there we are. That will be the standard response when the Obama regime nukes Dallas. "Didn't like that? You had it coming."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 13, 2013 02:24 PM (zF6Iw)

Using the Civil War-era Old South seccessionist model as any kind of paradigm for resistance to federal tyranny is a terrible mistake for any number of reasons too lengthy to go into here, although it should be pointed out that the Confederacy lost, rightfully and badly. Better to think of ourselves as modern American revolutionaries instead. Peopleare more likely to identify with the Revolution and the Founding Fathers than Robert E. Lee. Fuck Robert E. Lee.

Posted by: troyriser at August 13, 2013 02:40 PM (2jF2B)

239 " Sources tell me the House GOP will probably avoid using a shutdown as leverage and instead use the debt limit and sequester fights as areas for potential legislative trades. Negotiations over increasing the debt limit have frequently been used to wring concessions out of the administration, so there may be movement in that direction: Delay Obamacare in exchange for an increased debt limit. As members huddled and talked through scenarios, leadership aides reminded them that since the House GOP retreat in Williamsburg, Va., earlier this year, the plan has been to end the year with a debt-limit chess game, and not a messy continuing-resolution impasse."

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA

Didn't Boehner promise he'd stop negotiating behind closed doors with Obama? He did, didn't he? To keep his job? Throw the lying son of a bitch out on his ass.


"I wonder if one of the Defense Contractors who are hurt by sequestration has "standing" to sue the Government on the grounds that sequestration would not have been necessary (or even possible) if Congress had passed a budget? "

Not an issue of standing, the case would be rejected as moot. The argument would be, by providing these plaintiffs with less money in a sequester than the plaintiffs project would have come in a budget, the plaintiffs have been damaged. But the Congress is not required to maintain a standing military at all. President Jefferson chose, in what year I forget, to decommission all naval vessels to spare the expenditure and Congress agreed with him. If a legal budget by Congress could have reduced the plaintiff's revenues by the same amount--and it provably spent less in the past-- then there's no basis to argue damages arising from an illegal bypass of the budget process.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at August 13, 2013 02:42 PM (TbVAj)

240 So Mr. Rogers is upset with all the Republicans who wont spend money, is he?

Imagine how upset I, a taxpaying business owner being victimized by my own damn government, feel when they do spend money!

Asswipe.

Posted by: MTF at August 13, 2013 02:54 PM (B5y+v)

241 Only idiots think we could win a shutdown. It has never happened that way, and won't now - especially with a despot like Obama in office who would happily harm the country if he could put the blame on Republicans. Start with shutting down air travel and Social Security checks. Even if Republicans wanted to hold out, they would be lynched by the public in short order.

Threatening a shutdown is no way to try to win a policy dispute. How would we react if Democrats tried it? The solution is to win elections instead. That means not staying home and pouting if the nominee isn't everything you ever dreamed he could be.

Try not to be stupid, people. I know it's hard, especially for those handicapped by public schools.

Posted by: Adjoran at August 13, 2013 03:24 PM (473jB)

242 Re: Will the military turn on us:

One factor to remember is that gang membership is an increasing problem (for us, that is, not for SCOAMT!) in the military.

And it's getting even worse, since, as Brandon Darby reported recently at Breitbart, Mexican drug cartels are now actively recruiting members of our armed forces as assassins.

Oh, but it gets even worse. Apparently, some men, already gang members, join the military precisely to get MORE TRAINING in firearms, tactics, etc.

http://tinyurl.com/m5lj29q

Remember, the biggest, baddest drug cartel of them all, Los Zetas (they of the decapitations, heads on pikes, etc.), was started by former Mexican special-ops guys. (I.e., when THEY come after you, your goose is cooked.)

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at August 13, 2013 03:31 PM (ahdUW)

243 What is the point of being an opposition party if you don't oppose anything? Also, what's the point of a budget if you are going to keep just spending whatever you want anyway? Oh, wait, we don't have a budget, and we haven't had one in years. Why the Republican party never bothers to harp on this point, among others, is beyond stupid. The fact is, we have progressives in both parties, and the people no longer have much of a voice in our government.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at August 14, 2013 01:14 AM (2/oBD)






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