Climate Scientist: If Temperatures Continue to Remain Flat for Five More Years, Our Models Will Have Been Disproven

Interesting interview with a climate scientist digested at Breitbart, found in full at Der Spiegel.

He isn't calling quits on global change claims yet-- but, for once, he does offer a firm falsification scenario. He says that in 2% of all runs of all models, a 15 year pause in global warming was found. That is, the current span of a 15 year warming hiatus is not impossible in the models, it's just very rare.

But if it goes on five more years, the models will have been disproven, as a 20 year hiatus appears in none of them.

SPIEGEL: What could be wrong with the models?

Storch: There are two conceivable explanations -- and neither is very pleasant for us. The first possibility is that less global warming is occurring than expected because greenhouse gases, especially CO2, have less of an effect than we have assumed. This wouldn't mean that there is no man-made greenhouse effect, but simply that our effect on climate events is not as great as we have believed. The other possibility is that, in our simulations, we have underestimated how much the climate fluctuates owing to natural causes.

SPIEGEL: That sounds quite embarrassing for your profession, if you have to go back and adjust your models to fit with reality…

Storch: Why? That's how the process of scientific discovery works. There is no last word in research, and that includes climate research. It's never the truth that we offer, but only our best possible approximation of reality. But that often gets forgotten in the way the public perceives and describes our work.

SPIEGEL: But it has been climate researchers themselves who have feigned a degree of certainty even though it doesn't actually exist. For example, the IPCC announced with 95 percent certainty that humans contribute to climate change.

Storch: And there are good reasons for that statement. We could no longer explain the considerable rise in global temperatures observed between the early 1970s and the late 1990s with natural causes.... Now that we have a new development, we may need to make adjustments.

SPIEGEL: In which areas do you need to improve the models?

Storch: Among other things, there is evidence that the oceans have absorbed more heat than we initially calculated. Temperatures at depths greater than 700 meters (2,300 feet) appear to have increased more than ever before. The only unfortunate thing is that our simulations failed to predict this effect.

SPIEGEL: That doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

Storch: Certainly the greatest mistake of climate researchers has been giving the impression that they are declaring the definitive truth. The end result is foolishness along the lines of the climate protection brochures recently published by Germany's Federal Environmental Agency under the title "Sie erwärmt sich doch" ("The Earth is getting warmer"). Pamphlets like that aren't going to convince any skeptics. It's not a bad thing to make mistakes and have to correct them. The only thing that was bad was acting beforehand as if we were infallible. By doing so, we have gambled away the most important asset we have as scientists: the public's trust.

Emphasis added.

He doesn't come across as a zealot-- far from it, compared to the rest of the Green Machine. In fact, he tosses criticisms at them left and right.

And yet...

The only unfortunate thing is that our simulations failed to predict this effect.

Well, as you can see, there is still so much ego in play one doubts one could get a truly objective assessment from these guys.

Posted by: Ace at 07:57 PM



Comments

1 LET IT BURN!

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at June 24, 2013 07:58 PM (8JJ6O)

2 Al Gore cannot be reached for comment! Too busy spewing hot air.

Posted by: Killerdog at June 24, 2013 07:59 PM (Oi60j)

3 I'd rather have a SMOD if you please

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 08:00 PM (MnSla)

4 The easiest and quickest way to disprove these so-called "models". Run all the numbers from as far back as possible all the way up to 2003. Then run the models to see if it accurately predicted the last decade of real recorded data.

If it doesn't, then their "models" are crap.

Posted by: Trubador at June 24, 2013 08:01 PM (MlrAE)

5 Well of course he's not calling it quits on moar of those sweet government grants. Hell, he'll probably get moar just to ratchet up the turd pump to make the Steaming Pile of Bullshit more believable...


Posted by: Portnoy at June 24, 2013 08:01 PM (A5Abh)

6 Is this one of those "red lines" in the proverbial post-man-made-apocalyptic sand?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 24, 2013 08:01 PM (9eDbm)

7 Maybe they can fake/fudge some more data to make it look like climate change DOES exist. Five years is plenty of time to do it.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 24, 2013 08:02 PM (AmWlQ)

8 Better bankrupt the coal plants anyway. Just to be sure.

Posted by: Moron in a Necessarily Skyrocketing Snuggie at June 24, 2013 08:02 PM (Ks4nX)

9 That is not how science works. Until recently anyway. You might as well say a giant wombat created Montana and then say, "Oh, my bad" when it turns out that a giant Cheeto impact was responsible.

The amount of human hubris is takes to think that our puny output of a trace gas can do anything is just remarkable. As for the assertion that, gee, we couldn't find a culprit--THE GIANT THERMONUCLEAR BALL IN THE SKY might serve as a starting point.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 24, 2013 08:02 PM (pg7Wo)

10 "That's how the process of scientific discovery works. There is no last word in research, and that includes climate research. It's never the truth that we offer, but only our best possible approximation of reality. But that often gets forgotten in the way the public perceives and describes our work."

And by "public" he means James Hansen and Michael Mann, evidently....

Posted by: notropis at June 24, 2013 08:02 PM (ETi4C)

11 "This wouldn't mean that there is no man-made greenhouse effect, but simply that our effect on climate events is not as great as we have believed. The other possibility is that, in our simulations, we have underestimated how much the climate fluctuates owing to natural causes."

No shit, Sherlock!

Posted by: Trubador at June 24, 2013 08:03 PM (MlrAE)

12 But, but, but, there was a consensus. The science was settled. Now it's unsettled?

Posted by: Lizzy at June 24, 2013 08:04 PM (AmWlQ)

13 The first possibility is that less global warming is occurring than
expected because greenhouse gases, especially CO2, have less of an
effect than we have assumed.



Nice. Real Sciency there....fuckers.

Posted by: Portnoy at June 24, 2013 08:04 PM (A5Abh)

14 They'll try to ram regulations through anyway. It isn't about the climate.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at June 24, 2013 08:04 PM (q8asa)

15 Alternate headline: Climate Scientist's Grant Money Expires in 5 years, Desperation, Anxiety Rising.

Posted by: Fritz at June 24, 2013 08:05 PM (G9Mmf)

16 In related news, Boris Johnson, that guy who Ace had no idea was the Conservative Mayor of London, just wrote a blistering article in the UK Telegraph reemphasizing his climate skepticism: "The Weather Prophets Should Be Chucked Into the Deep End."

http://tinyurl.com/ktnvrq4

Posted by: Jeff B. at June 24, 2013 08:06 PM (n/+FT)

17 Doesn't 2% of models agreeing mean we've dropped below an alpha of .05?

Or am I a real Moron?

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 08:07 PM (X4HxX)

18 Don't they leave out the possibility that the models are false because the data is?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:07 PM (GEICT)

19 14
They'll try to ram regulations through anyway. It isn't about the climate.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at June 24, 2013 08:04 PM (q8asa)

Correct. It was always about money and control.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 08:07 PM (MnSla)

20 "SPIEGEL: That sounds quite embarrassing for your profession, if you have to go back and adjust your models to fit with reality…"
----

...Aaaaaaand the "intelligent" foreign press bluntly reveals that it knows absolutely nothing about the Science[TM] that all the bien-pensants know is Settled[TM]

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at June 24, 2013 08:08 PM (Y5I9o)

21 @13 It's rate is possibly less than expected, based on factors less important than we had assumed... FACT!

Posted by: Concerned (soon to be poor) Scientist at June 24, 2013 08:08 PM (9eDbm)

22 I don't believe its ego so much as its large amounts of money that would dry up if they don't give left wing demagogues what they want.

Posted by: An Observation at June 24, 2013 08:09 PM (ylhEn)

23 right because their models of course had a 15 deviation from mean factored in...

end the farce....responsible climatologists expose your asshole Clerical peers.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 08:10 PM (LRFds)

24 Denialist wingnuts! I say global warming is real and I read it in magazines, that makes me an expert!!

Follow me on Twitter and buy a calendar

Posted by: Dr Charles Johnson, Scienceologist at June 24, 2013 08:10 PM (/9IC1)

25 "There are two conceivable explanations -- and neither is very pleasant for us. The first possibility is that less global warming is occurring than expected because greenhouse gases, especially CO2, have less of an effect than we have assumed. This wouldn't mean that there is no man-made greenhouse effect, but simply that our effect on climate events is not as great as we have believed. The other possibility is that, in our simulations, we have underestimated how much the climate fluctuates owing to natural causes."

So basically, it's looking more and more like there is no global catastrophic apocalypse aaaaand the "climate scientist" reaction is that this development is "not very pleasant for us." Got that folks? Finding out we're not headed for extinction just ruined this guy's day.

Posted by: mike at June 24, 2013 08:10 PM (H1v/m)

26 Too bad that won't stop Obama from killing the energy sector tomorrow.

Posted by: Lauren at June 24, 2013 08:11 PM (wsGWu)

27 Derrr

Posted by: Spiegel at June 24, 2013 08:11 PM (9eDbm)

28 Trubador.
Cha-Ching. Beat me to it.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at June 24, 2013 08:11 PM (/djtm)

29 26 Lauren,

what's even worse is the GOP is not hammering the fuck out of giggles on energy costs...

they are either too weak to back or in on the gag

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 08:11 PM (LRFds)

30 Oooor, electing obama dif heal the Earth, wingnuts!

Posted by: Gaia Princess at June 24, 2013 08:12 PM (wsGWu)

31 I'd rather have a SMOD if you please

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 08:00 PM (MnSla)


Hope it misses Australia.
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo.

Posted by: Randy Newman at June 24, 2013 08:12 PM (mETGQ)

32 I don't believe its ego so much as its large amounts of money that would dry up if they don't give left wing demagogues what they want.

Posted by: An Observation


Phthalates! Ocean Acidification! Overcrowding!

There is always a crisis to be had in the International Church of the Left.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 24, 2013 08:12 PM (XS/b3)

33 30 Gaia Princess,

That's right m'lady and suddenly I fucking nreceded....

//The Oceans esq

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 08:13 PM (LRFds)

34 A computational mathematician would laugh at their models. The code for a dozen or so I looked at was laughably amateurish and full of egregious errors and bugs that could have major effect on the results.

It was the kind of code you expect to see out of "scientists" who only took a couple of computer courses (none of which would have touched on the IEEE 754 floating standard, or controlling series and generational rounding error, and loss of precision situations)

Posted by: Purp at June 24, 2013 08:13 PM (/gHaE)

35 32 Weft Cut-Loop,

DDT, Acid Rain, Ozone Layer, Global Cooling, urban blight, vaccine issues.....

//Remember Us?

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 08:14 PM (LRFds)

36 Isn't TFG supposed to give one of his totally awesome historic speeches on how we're all gonna die from global warming unless we turn all our goodies over to him?

Posted by: kbdabear at June 24, 2013 08:14 PM (/9IC1)

37 @9 I want to learn more about this Giant Cheeto Impact. I'm considering applying for a federal grant.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 24, 2013 08:14 PM (9eDbm)

38 "Sie erwärmt sich doch" does not meant "The Earth is getting warmer". It means more like "The warming is certain/irrefutable/obvious". JFC.

Posted by: Bob, Henchman at Large at June 24, 2013 08:14 PM (eGb5D)

39 Yeah,five more years of economy killing policies are what we need.

Posted by: steevy at June 24, 2013 08:15 PM (9XBK2)

40 Well he is certainly tap-dancing around the sink hole to their credibility this would cause.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 08:15 PM (STdzY)

41
Not relevant whether Earth is warming or cooling. Neither process can be altered, so adapting to the particular will greatly assure chances of survival.

But the arrogance of these people to insist that man is responsible is staggering.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 24, 2013 08:15 PM (SAMxH)

42 Fuck Rubio. He is off the fucking team. We need to primary/recall McCain, Flake, Rubio and Graham fucking immediately.

Posted by: prescient11 at June 24, 2013 08:15 PM (N5ixp)

43 These guys were claiming that .02 year over year rise in temperatures was absolute proof that MMGW was real but it will take 20 years of stable temperatures to disprove it?

Yea, that sounds something like science to me.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 24, 2013 08:15 PM (g1DWB)

44 "It was the kind of code you expect to see out of "scientists" who only
took a couple of computer courses (none of which would have touched on
the IEEE 754 floating standard, or controlling series and generational
rounding error, and loss of precision situations)"

Preach it, I have no idea what that means but preach it anyways.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 24, 2013 08:16 PM (Fz2C7)

45 But the lack of tornadic activity in April and early May due to the cold spring was because of global warming

The two F-5's in OK in late May? Global warming!

Posted by: The Weather Channel at June 24, 2013 08:16 PM (/9IC1)

46 The next thing we need to worry about getting fucked over with is some awful climate change bill.

Posted by: steevy at June 24, 2013 08:17 PM (9XBK2)

47 Moar Giada

Posted by: garrett at June 24, 2013 08:18 PM (5F2ia)

48 Modeling a system of a million variables using 5 is a bad bet, especially when you don't know what the 5 most significant variables are.

Posted by: toby928© at June 24, 2013 08:19 PM (QupBk)

49
Does this mean that we're back to teh Earf being Flat again?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 08:19 PM (0HooB)

50 What could be wrong with the models?

Nothing, they gave the output they were designed to give.

Posted by: t-bird at June 24, 2013 08:19 PM (XdWRk)

51 36 KBDAbear,

Uh good evening, er uh I would like to talk to you....about a crisis facving America...*yell from crowd IRS?* er no gloal climate destabilization and ah we neeed to er control and regulate er energy use and emissions of the green ah house gases that are causing this unmeasurable crisis....as George Washington once said crossing the Delaware "this much from ah uncontrolled climate change here on the er Delaware River must ah be stopped."

so I will uh raise you electric bills and ah stifle further Shale/CNG exploration on ah federal lands and mandate wind and solar that the er laws of thermodynamics say cannot meet the reduced gheneration capacity barring some new and ah as yet undiscovered materials and er engineering...so cheer up there will be rolling blacksouts but uh your new neighbors will be okay with it and you can all get up and moo.....


Thank you, God Bless America fuck the GOP who want to poison your baby and no ah questions please....

//General Manly Throw McMomJeans Hero of Hole 19

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 08:19 PM (LRFds)

52 And they are still in a big-assed hurry to get some Laws passed...before this Big Hoax is exposed even further.

Posted by: wheatie at June 24, 2013 08:20 PM (mYbV7)

53 "We could no longer explain the considerable rise in global temperatures
observed between the early 1970s and the late 1990s with natural causes" why, retard, why?
Did you forget to include the sun?

Posted by: jb at June 24, 2013 08:20 PM (zPanS)

54 The really sad part of all this is the CO2 thing is easily proven true, or false.

The way a Greenhouse gas works is that they absorb IR radiation in specific frequencies, called absorbtion bands. These are known. CO2s are also pretty much cover the spectrum absorbed by Water Vapor.

ALL of the IR the suns and black body radiation (earths) in those bands is already absorbed by existing CO2, and water vapor... thus... adding MORE CO2 won't do anything... to add energy you'd have to add IR energy in those wavelengths...
We HAVE monitors on the surface of the Earth, and have been watching this for over 20 years... and the IR in those bands, is just the same as it was 20 years ago... even WITH increased CO2.

Thus, while CO2 is a 'Greenhouse gas', it long ago reached its maximum effect on the Earths biosphere...

Which is what makes Obama's new thing, nothing more than a power grab, and way to further stress the financial system.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 08:21 PM (lZBBB)

55 Sven. Manic again, dude.

Jus' sayin'

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 24, 2013 08:21 PM (RHZL4)

56
...and
GO HAWKS!

Posted by: garrett at June 24, 2013 08:21 PM (5F2ia)

57 And the Weather Channel tells me Sandy was a bitch cuz of sea level rise.
OK I'll give you 1 cm in the past 10 years. Because I'm generous. That got how many more homes and businesses?
BTW. HTF do you measure sea level from year to year? Seriously. Don't tell me with satellites that are 22 K miles in space. Are these the same clowns that effed up meters and feet with a Mars lander?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at June 24, 2013 08:22 PM (/djtm)

58 Oh boy oh boy, am I going to love in 5 years when I can make a philosophy of science career out of what went wrong with these guys .

Posted by: tsrblke (tablet) at June 24, 2013 08:23 PM (GaqMa)

59
Hey, Hey, HEY!!

What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Radon Gas at June 24, 2013 08:23 PM (0HooB)

60 Having run enough computer code of my own, I understand exactly what the man means by "unfortunately". It's not so much pride (though it is) as it is realizing you spent a lot of time on something, did everything seemingly right, and the thing just won't work--and you don't know why.

Computer code can humble the best of men. I think the man is quite happy the atmosphere isn't warming, he just wishes his car finished better in the race.

Posted by: T. at June 24, 2013 08:23 PM (Ccyem)

61 LGBT Group Outraged Pentagon Left Transgender Service Members Out Of Military’s “Gay Pride” Event…



The military’s “gay pride month” also comes with the nifty poster seen above.

Weasel Zippers:

We all knew this shit was coming. One thing about the left, they are so predictable. And since they are beating our asses, I guess that makes us stupid. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 08:23 PM (jE38p)

62 34: Do the "models" you looked at actually deal with physical processes? Energy in. Energy out. Boundary (earth, sea, air) behavior. And so on Or are they statistical extrapolations of temperature? IOW,
systems for breaking the bank at roulette based on
the results of past spins of the wheel?

Posted by: ManeiNeko at June 24, 2013 08:23 PM (TiE76)

63 If the data does not fit

You must admit

To quit


Burma shave

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at June 24, 2013 08:24 PM (RFeQD)

64 Did the CBO and GOSPLAN write the modeling code?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 08:24 PM (STdzY)

65 One more red line to draw.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 24, 2013 08:24 PM (FIgyg)

66 46 The next thing we need to worry about getting fucked over with is some awful climate change bill.

They're being sneaky about it, steevy.
They're adding in Climate Change amendments to practically every Bill in the Senate.

There was one added to this crap-sandwich Amnesty Bill.

Posted by: wheatie at June 24, 2013 08:24 PM (mYbV7)

67 Somebody tell this guy too late, the science is settled, no more taxpayer funded research money. Sorry.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at June 24, 2013 08:25 PM (C2//T)

68 31
I'd rather have a SMOD if you please



Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 08:00 PM (MnSla)





Hope it misses Australia.

Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo.

Posted by: Randy Newman at June 24, 2013 08:12 PM (mETGQ)

Still mad at short people?

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 08:25 PM (MnSla)

69 55 Sean Bannion,

well if I make the top 10 it'll be from"today" Sean...so evidently my Obama speech fell flat...

//sad raccoon

I'm going down south and I am probably gonna be scarce another week or three...

McCain's stunt tells me the GOP has no coordination or overriding plan or case to make to the voters other than "look commies, COMMIES!"

I'm to the point that underwhelms *me* I can only imagine how harder FiCons feel about it.

Sorry to be a burden I have had it proven that 24 years of loyalty were likely a total waste.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 08:25 PM (LRFds)

70 @ 55


Good evening, Mr Bannion. A belated thank you for the welcome back.

Posted by: irongrampa at June 24, 2013 08:26 PM (SAMxH)

71 To me, the even more annoying part of the climate hysteria is that the evidence for bad effects is much much worse that the pathetic evidence of a man-caused effect. Warm is better than cold. It's a historical fact. We've been warm before than now in historical times.

Almost 15 years ago I argued with someone in SF that the AGW was propaganda, based simply on the fact that any worldwide climate change would help some group, and yet no one ever talked about those groups. Just the supposed hardest hit.

Posted by: toby928© at June 24, 2013 08:26 PM (QupBk)

72
Who knew that the CBO was the accounting firm for the Global Warming movement.

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at June 24, 2013 08:26 PM (vzLhi)

73 Global warming/cooling predictions are like azzholes: everyone has one; and the Religion of Climate Scientologists has a lot of 'em. In five years a whole herd of them will say, "We just need fifty more years to confirm what we said twenty-five years ago."

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 24, 2013 08:26 PM (eHIJJ)

74 54 Romeo13,

Maxine Waters gave away the game last year.

Their gambit is eventual nationalization of energy concerns and total seizure of mineral rights.

I'd bet my life on it.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 08:27 PM (LRFds)

75 " There are two conceivable explanations -- and neither is very pleasant for us. "

I thought that was the most telling. The fact that global warming and the impending doom might not actually come to fruiting IS AN UNPLEASANT THING FOR THIS GUY.

In other words, in his eyes, it would be better that he was right and the world destroyed than he be wrong and everything be ok.

Posted by: Rich at June 24, 2013 08:27 PM (aJGts)

76 Posted by: irongrampa at June 24, 2013 08:26 PM (SAMxH)

Glad you're back. You lend class to what would otherwise be an undignified brawl.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 24, 2013 08:27 PM (RHZL4)

77 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 08:23 PM (jE38p)

Most Americans have no idea how poor the morale of the US fighting Man is right now...

The are actively driving out anyone with any real Morals... so they will have a compliant military...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 08:27 PM (lZBBB)

78 Hey, Hey, HEY!!

What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Radon Gas at June 24, 2013 08:23 PM (0HooB)

Get in line.

Posted by: Ozone Hole at June 24, 2013 08:27 PM (mETGQ)

79 "We need to primary/recall McCain, Flake, Rubio and Graham fucking immediately."

Again with this stupid shit. You can't recall a federally elected official. Recall is a state thing, and applies only to state and local officeholders.

Posted by: Russian Border Guards at June 24, 2013 08:27 PM (Q9qpj)

80 Hope it misses Australia.

Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo.

Posted by: Randy Newman at June 24, 2013 08:12 PM (mETGQ)
Fuck them kangaroos, they got it coming. They been farting for centuries!

Posted by: Killerdog at June 24, 2013 08:27 PM (Oi60j)

81 Can we get back all that money we pissed away on that hoax?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 08:27 PM (0HooB)

82
Who knew that the Global Warming movement used the same prophets as the Jehova's Witness.


Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at June 24, 2013 08:27 PM (Fely/)

83 16 In related news, Boris Johnson, that guy who Ace had no idea was the Conservative Mayor of London, just wrote a blistering article in the UK Telegraph reemphasizing his climate skepticism: "The Weather Prophets Should Be Chucked Into the Deep End."
http://tinyurl.com/ktnvrq4
Posted by: Jeff B. at June 24, 2013 08:06 PM (n/+FT)

This article is hilarious and this Boris guy is a hoot. No politician has ever written like this--not since Churchill, anyway. And Churchill didn't have a sense of humor. Bravo.

Posted by: Body Builder at June 24, 2013 08:27 PM (2ArJQ)

84 I hate fucking windmills!!

Posted by: Don Quixote at June 24, 2013 08:28 PM (z9HTb)

85 Google says tighter EU search regulations would ‘hurt’ innovation

#$**(#$* !@!!~ !!!!@!@!!!!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 24, 2013 08:28 PM (XS/b3)

86 Undignified brawl is when a whole bar full of Morons fights for the honour of throwing the troll out.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 08:28 PM (STdzY)

87 Glad you're back. You lend class to what would otherwise be an undignified brawl.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 24, 2013 08:27 PM (RHZL4)



Can you have a dignified brawl?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:28 PM (GEICT)

88 Real scientists would share all their data and invite skeptics to look it over.

Real scientists would open up all the code in their modeling programs to real software writing experts to examine.

The guy in Der Spiegel article is at least admitting a few fundamental premises to actual science.

Skepticism.
Honesty about data and predictions.
An admission to not being omniscient, and forgoeing the appeal to the "consensus" among climate scientists.


But shortly Barry the First will tell us that the science is settled. Barry and Joe the schmoe couldn't count over ten without taking their shoes off.


Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at June 24, 2013 08:29 PM (RFeQD)

89 85 Weft-Cut Loop,

Lack of regulation for ME total for thee!

//Goggle

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 08:29 PM (LRFds)

90 Like I've posted here before, with mixed results...
25,000 years ago Mahattan was under a MILE of ice. Thank God for global warming.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at June 24, 2013 08:29 PM (/djtm)

91 84
I hate fucking windmills!!

Posted by: Don Quixote at June 24, 2013 08:28 PM (z9HTb)

Splinters?

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 08:29 PM (MnSla)

92 Can you have a dignified brawl?

Yes. Bare-knuckle fights circa 1910.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 24, 2013 08:29 PM (RHZL4)

93 The irony of a scientific lesson in their own "closed" minded stupidity hasn't hit them yet.

Should have been predictable for this crowd of ankle biting useful idiots.

Posted by: ontherocks at June 24, 2013 08:29 PM (2EYDs)

94 -- "The only unfortunate thing is that our simulations failed to predict this effect."

Yes, there is nothing unfortunate about the 100's of billions, maybe trillions wasted in pursuit of reducing greenhouse gases.

Laws have been passed, industries created, societies turned upside down. because of what these assholes claimed. Kyoto was an enormous waste of money and they knew this up front, but felt it was necessary to set an example and get started. Started on what? and why?

No, the unfortunate thing is that these "scientists" have no shame, and no honor and will not do the world the favor of the short blade -- seppuku. The whole lot of them.

(and I must mention the fact that he sounds like every G damned arrogant german Scientist/Engineer I have ever worked with. So confident in their superiority that even being proven wrong can not humble them into allowing that skeptics might be right.)

Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at June 24, 2013 08:30 PM (zZJJp)

95
And all that missing heat the models predicted, but can't be found. It's out there.....somewhere, biding it's time, ready to pounce!

Now renew my grant, you wingnuts.

Posted by: Climate Sciency Guy at June 24, 2013 08:30 PM (qoQi/)

96 Yes. Bare-knuckle fights circa 1910.

A gentleman pickles his knuckles in walnut juice before he flattens his opponent's nose.

Posted by: toby928© at June 24, 2013 08:30 PM (QupBk)

97
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:28 PM (GEICT)

Yes you can, but you have to find a way to get the top hats to stick to your head so they don't come off.

Posted by: tsrblke (tablet) at June 24, 2013 08:30 PM (GaqMa)

98 Just watch my 90 minute campaign ad. Then you'll believe.

Posted by: Al Gore at June 24, 2013 08:30 PM (Aif/5)

99 When your best hope is to cling to 2%, it might be time to contemplate a career change.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 08:30 PM (QLNHI)

100 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:28 PM (GEICT)

Glad you're home safe.

TSA put out a BOLO for "leprechaun-like dude" on a Southwest flight yet?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 24, 2013 08:31 PM (RHZL4)

101 Yes. Bare-knuckle fights circa 1910.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 24, 2013 08:29 PM (RHZL4)



*raised eyebrow*


Dude, I'm Irish. I think we invented bare knuckle brawling in the US. Dignified isn't the word I'd use.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:31 PM (GEICT)

102 90 Golfman in NC,

Uh rebuttal phase please!

//NY "Lover"

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 08:31 PM (LRFds)

103 But if it goes on five more years, the models will have been disproven, as a 20 year hiatus appears in none of them.


Yeah, but those sweet, sweet dollars from Uncle Sugar will still be coming in no matter what happens.

Posted by: Michael Mann at June 24, 2013 08:31 PM (IDypm)

104 But for the giant leak of a treasure trove of falsified data indicting the whole climate prediction/manipulation racket, we'd be consigned to carbon-credit trading and massive wealth redistribution to a bunch of wealthy internationalists.

So, yeah, sure, I'll trust whatever timetable this pinhead says. He's clearly reputable.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 24, 2013 08:31 PM (eHIJJ)

105 From the interview by Der Spiegel:
"Natural science is also a social process, and one far more influenced by
the spirit of the times than non-scientists can imagine. You can expect
many more surprises."


*snort*

Oh, actually, this non-scientist totally can imagine it, snapperhead.

Posted by: lauraw at June 24, 2013 08:32 PM (yGblt)

106 And Churchill didn't have a sense of humor.


Totally, completely, and factually incorrect.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 24, 2013 08:32 PM (7ItWM)

107 One 'positive' thing about the coming financial collapse, will force Mikey Mann and his gang of grifters to get a real job or starve. I bet five quatloos on them starving because building brick walls is beneath them.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 08:33 PM (STdzY)

108 99
When your best hope is to cling to 2%, it might be time to contemplate a career change.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 08:30 PM (QLNHI)

2% is good enough for me! Suck it wingnuts.

Posted by: Barky O Fucknut at June 24, 2013 08:33 PM (Oi60j)

109 Dignified isn't the word I'd use.

We'll agree to disagree on this point.

.....

Now STFU or I'll smash you in the face with my shillelagh.

.....

Sir.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 24, 2013 08:33 PM (RHZL4)

110 Isn't that "undignified brawl" thing a paraphrase of some Prussian dude about artillery?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 08:33 PM (QLNHI)

111 How many Siberian tree rings are the basis for many models? Less than 10 or somesuch correct?

Posted by: alexthechick -Team SMOD at June 24, 2013 08:33 PM (Gk3SS)

112 TSA put out a BOLO for "leprechaun-like dude" on a Southwest flight yet?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 24, 2013 08:31 PM (RHZL4)



US Air.

And let me clue you in to the second half of my trip....

We get on the plane in charlotte. As soon as everyone is on, the capt comes over the pa "We've been told there was an hour ground delay. That's now been reduced to 30 minutes. We'll keep you updated." 50 minutes later.."Sorry about that. We've now been cleared for takeoff." We sit for another 25 minutes. "Ok folks we're next in line to take off."

We took off 5 minutes before we were supposed to land.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:33 PM (GEICT)

113
Isn't TFG supposed to unveil his AGW plans tomorrow?

How fortuitous.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 08:34 PM (0HooB)

114 Isn't that "undignified brawl" thing a paraphrase of some Prussian dude about artillery?

Nice catch.

Exactly.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 24, 2013 08:34 PM (RHZL4)

115 Dignified isn't the word I'd use.

But it had dignified rules; no biting, no gouging, each round to last until a knockdown, each fighter given 1 minute to toe the scratch.

An elegant sport for a more civilized time.

Posted by: toby928© at June 24, 2013 08:34 PM (QupBk)

116 Oh, actually, this non-scientist totally can imagine it, snapperhead.

Posted by: lauraw at June 24, 2013 08:32 PM (yGblt)



I'm gonna need an official definition for the StyleGuide.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:35 PM (GEICT)

117 There is, in fact, more than two conceivable explanations as to why their predictions didn't pan out.

He throws a big blanket over one: that CO2 has less of an affect on Global Warming than they thought?

REALLY?
The simple SCIENTIFIC FACT that water vapor is a stronger "greenhouse gas" than CO2, that there is much more water vapor in the atmosphere than CO2? That next, we are going to regulate water vapor? REALLY?

The "greenhouse effect" is actually a necessary property of the atmosphere to prevent us from slipping into an Ice Age. The atmosphere has to trap some heat. The insoluble differential equations that define the complex fluid flow of gases in the atmosphere is still beyond their ken.

Take all the data from the last 30 years and run the program BACKWARDS and see if it reasonably predicts the know weather from the previous century. FAIL. They can't make this work.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at June 24, 2013 08:35 PM (RFeQD)

118 AlextheChick, those Siberian tree rings are the most important things in Michael Mann's world. So they are the mill stone about his and AGW's collective neck. Now we just got to find the right river bank and swift flowing river.. or Scylla and Charybdis will do in a pinch.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 08:35 PM (STdzY)

119 But it had dignified rules;

That was where I was coming from. It was in-your-face violent, but it had its own type of civilized air about it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 24, 2013 08:36 PM (RHZL4)

120
Nearly 20 years ago, I watched a documentary in a community college "critical thinking" course where the same scientists that touted the "new ice age" in the 70s were screaming about global warming 20 years later.

The most memorable bit in the film was an interview with a famous former ice ager who was confronted in an interview, and asked why he was so prominently advocating a theory which turned out to be false.

"Because back then, it was true"

That line has always stuck with me.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 24, 2013 08:36 PM (MBqvE)

121 1-0 Bruins

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 08:36 PM (iXuYG)

122 And we'll fight them with the butt ends of broken ends of beer bottles because that's bloody we'll all we have left.

Posted by: Winston Churchill at June 24, 2013 08:37 PM (Aif/5)

123 Now STFU or I'll smash you in the face with my shillelagh.

.....

Sir.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 24, 2013 08:33 PM (RHZL4)



*snort*

I have a modern day version of a shillelagh.

It's on my nightstand.

A lead weight on the end of some flexicord, all encased in leather. With a strap to go around your wrist to make sure they can't take it from you.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:37 PM (GEICT)

124
Posted by: lauraw at June 24, 2013 08:32 PM (yGblt)

Oh hi there her numbness!
I will say this, while honest, he's also forgetting that we scientists are supposed to minimize the social influence on science. Clearly they've failed at that, so shouldn't they be apologizing rather than going "meh it happens."

Posted by: tsrblke (tablet) at June 24, 2013 08:37 PM (GaqMa)

125 I have a sockfull of nickels.

Posted by: toby928© at June 24, 2013 08:37 PM (QupBk)

126 I'm gonna need an official definition for the StyleGuide.

We will take this under advisement and issue our ruling next year.

Posted by: Le Académie Moronaise at June 24, 2013 08:38 PM (RHZL4)

127 But it had dignified rules; no biting, no gouging, each round to last until a knockdown, each fighter given 1 minute to toe the scratch.
An elegant sport for a more civilized time.

Posted by: toby928© at June 24, 2013 08:34 PM (QupBk)

Hmmm... no biting or gouging... so... Mixed Martial Arts?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 08:38 PM (lZBBB)

128 Snapperhead? I will try that out on the Mooch later tonight, but don't be surprised if I end up with a black eye.

Posted by: Barky O Fucknut at June 24, 2013 08:38 PM (Oi60j)

129 Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 08:36 PM (iXuYG)



Ma'am, it was an absolute pleasure to meet you.


For those that weren't there, I walk up to where Vendette and the lovely Mrs Bannion were checking Morons in and before I can say anything, Vendette yells out "I know who you are!"

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:38 PM (GEICT)

130 #70 irongrampa!!! Glad to see you back!

I have been gone much of the days over the last week so didn't know you had returned.

I am so glad!

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 08:38 PM (GoIUi)

131 The new season of Falling Skies looks interesting, which is good. What's bad is that I will have to watch the first two seasons to get spun back up on what the story is.

Posted by: toby928© at June 24, 2013 08:39 PM (QupBk)

132
Take all the data from the last 30 years and run the program BACKWARDS and see if it reasonably predicts the know weather from the previous century. FAIL. They can't make this work.

But it was a really good excuse to pass a shitload of laws, regulations, and taxes we really didn't need.

I started sensing this was all contrived when they started contradicting themselves. All of the climate scientists, if laid end to end, wouldn't reach a conclusion.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 08:39 PM (0HooB)

133 60 Having run enough computer code of my own, I understand exactly what the man means by "unfortunately". It's not so much pride (though it is) as it is realizing you spent a lot of time on something, did everything seemingly right, and the thing just won't work--and you don't know why.

Computer code can humble the best of men. I think the man is quite happy the atmosphere isn't warming, he just wishes his car finished better in the race.

Posted by: T. at June 24, 2013 08:23 PM (Ccyem)


And yet it was called by non "experts" outside of that field - that says something about the level of expertise involved.

Shoddy work is shoddy work, no matter how much heart was put into it.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 24, 2013 08:39 PM (/g8rp)

134 How many Siberian tree rings are the basis for many models? Less than 10 or somesuch correct?
***
And almost all of the "warming" comes from a single tree.

The simple truth is the world was warmer about a millennium ago.

There is no such thing as a climate steady state, but there does appear to be a ~1k cycle, and we are well within the expected ranges.

Posted by: 18-1 at June 24, 2013 08:39 PM (zPVBH)

135 Hey, autocorrect changed "humpness" to numbness...

Posted by: tsrblke (tablet) at June 24, 2013 08:39 PM (GaqMa)

136
Is it me or has the price of antifreeze/coolant doubled in the last 10 yrs?

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at June 24, 2013 08:39 PM (xIzGn)

137 106 And Churchill didn't have a sense of humor.
Totally, completely, and factually incorrect.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 24, 2013 08:32 PM (7ItWM)

Correct, and allow me please to rephrase: Churchill didn't have this kind of a sense of humor.

Posted by: Body Builder at June 24, 2013 08:40 PM (2ArJQ)

138 Was there an official report on the NoVaMoMee? I know AtC got a cute little step stool....and wore some awesome blingy sandals. What else happened? Was it illegal and are there pics?

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 08:40 PM (X6akg)

139 And a belated "welcome back" irongrampa. I'm absolutely with you. Fight to the last.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:40 PM (GEICT)

140 Pfft, look at this guy. Doesn't want to do a meetup with his homeboys, so he flies up to VA for a meetup with the more respectable types.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 08:40 PM (QLNHI)

141 Hey, autocorrect changed "humpness" to numbness...

These concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Especially in the Cochran household.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 24, 2013 08:40 PM (RHZL4)

142 Is it me or has the price of antifreeze/coolant doubled in the last 10 yrs?


Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at June 24, 2013 08:39 PM (xIzGn)

No, that would be... me...

Posted by: The EPA at June 24, 2013 08:41 PM (lZBBB)

143 Churchill didn't have this kind of a sense of humor.

His standup sucked but he could drop the killer bon mot.

Posted by: toby928© at June 24, 2013 08:41 PM (QupBk)

144 Is it me or has the price of antifreeze/coolant doubled in the last 10 yrs?

Posted by: soothsayer


It's just you. And global warming. Or cooling. Or leaky radiators.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at June 24, 2013 08:41 PM (RFeQD)

145 138 Was there an official report on the NoVaMoMee? I know AtC got a cute little step stool....and wore some awesome blingy sandals. What else happened? Was it illegal and are there pics?

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 08:40 PM (X6akg)


I will repeat what I told CBD earlier.


I got there at 630. I left at 1230. My bar bill was triple digits. I ended my night by watering my BIL's bushes off the stoop of his town home.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:41 PM (GEICT)

146 Ma'am, it was an absolute pleasure to meet you.


For those that weren't there, I walk up to where Vendette and the lovely Mrs Bannion were checking Morons in and before I can say anything, Vendette yells out "I know who you are!"

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:38 PM (GEICT)


Thank you! I thought you would have been paler, though, but since you were not that far away from the pirate ship waterslide, I understand.

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 08:42 PM (iXuYG)

147 I do have an axe to grind... I want to be the little subversive person in television. - Barbara Pyle, CNN environmental editor.
Source - American Spectator. Quoted by Micah Morrison, July 1991.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 08:42 PM (STdzY)

148 140 Pfft, look at this guy. Doesn't want to do a meetup with his homeboys, so he flies up to VA for a meetup with the more respectable types.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 08:40 PM (QLNHI)



Let's do it.


Course, it'll be me, you and NDH.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:42 PM (GEICT)

149 Lol, and 5 years ago he said the same thing I bet.

What Liberals won't talk about is that their "settled science" is based upon wild models that have been proven absolutely wrong every time they have been tested against real data.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at June 24, 2013 08:42 PM (hlUJY)

150 Churchill like to pop peoples asses with a towel in the Parliamental Gym.

Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at June 24, 2013 08:43 PM (QupBk)

151 Thank you! I thought you would have been paler, though, but since you were not that far away from the pirate ship waterslide, I understand.
Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 08:42 PM (iXuYG)



Ha! The face and forearms aren't bad, but those areas covered by clothing? Blinding.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:43 PM (GEICT)

152 What about JohnE? Or is he still riding too high from his big breakthrough in investigative journalism for us proles?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 08:44 PM (QLNHI)

153 Fromt the last thread, here are the addresses to mail to Boehner and Rubio.

Rubio:

284 Russell Senate Office Building, Washington DC, 20510

Boehner:

1011 Longworth HOB, Washington DC, 20515

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 24, 2013 08:44 PM (jjvz+)

154 I got there at 630. I left at 1230. My bar bill was triple digits. I ended my night by watering my BIL's bushes off the stoop of his town home.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:41 PM (GEICT)


Hahahaha! When ya gotta go, ya gotta go. Did the lovely Mrs. Cochran attend this soiree?





Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 08:44 PM (X6akg)

155 150 Churchill like to pop peoples asses with a towel in the Parliamental Gym.
Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at June 24, 2013 08:43 PM (QupBk)


Well now, that's an entirely different matter.

Posted by: Rex Reed at June 24, 2013 08:44 PM (2ArJQ)

156
I don't remember a gallon of coolant being $15.


Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at June 24, 2013 08:44 PM (LPRBM)

157 152 What about JohnE? Or is he still riding too high from his big breakthrough in investigative journalism for us proles?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 08:44 PM (QLNHI)



Excellent point. If we do it, I'll harass the shit out of him. He'll either come or lose my number.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:45 PM (GEICT)

158
Speaking of real data, we've only been keeping accurate weather stats for around 150 years and Teh Earf is billions and billions of years old.

That type of math will never compute.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 08:45 PM (0HooB)

159 "It's never the truth that we offer, but only our best possible approximation of reality. But that often gets forgotten in the way the public perceives and describes our work."

Thats a lot of words to say GIGO...garbage in, garbage out. Clearly, if you hadn't lied about the data, or about the data reduction process, or about the results then the public may have had a different perception of your 'best approximation'.

Translated: You lied and then the data couldn't be manipulated by any functional model to support the narrative.

I hope some wannbe presidential candidate throws the BS flag publicly and auspiciously during tomorrows speech by the Affirmative Action Presnit. What a fool!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 08:46 PM (57bzg)

160 I started sensing this was all contrived when they started contradicting themselves. All of the climate scientists, if laid end to end, wouldn't reach a conclusion.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 08:39 PM (0HooB)


1988 Senate hearing on climate, they turned off the AC without telling the public so the cameras would see everyone sweating in the heat.

It was pretty obvious then that it was a con game.

From then until now it's been one failed prediction after another and the politicians and the confidence trickster "scientists" ignored it all and kept pushing, because it was never about the environment, it was always about power and control.

Remember that myth about hard-nosed reporters who questioned everyone's motives? That was a nice story, wasn't it?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 24, 2013 08:46 PM (qyfb5)

161 Yeah, um huh. If it is debunked in the next oh, 15 years or so, and then that standard will be raised to the next 30 years or so. Give me a fucking break assholes!

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 08:46 PM (fM4kr)

162 Hahahaha! When ya gotta go, ya gotta go. Did the lovely Mrs. Cochran attend this soiree?

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 08:44 PM (X6akg)



She did not.

And I quote, "This is a political thing. Ew. And you can tell them I'm a shallow and vain person. If no one is taking pictures and I can't scrapbook it, I don't wanna go."

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:47 PM (GEICT)

163 #83 Body Builder, thank you so much for the link to Boris Johnson's op ed in the Telegraph!

I particularly liked his description of the dissapointments of swimming pool owners.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 08:47 PM (GoIUi)

164 Ha! The face and forearms aren't bad, but those areas covered by clothing? Blinding.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:43 PM (GEICT)


Back when I was a teenager I went in one day for surgery. The last thing I remember hearing before the anesthesia knocked me out was someone telling the others in the room, "Come here and look at how white she is!" Nothing has changed since then.

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 08:47 PM (iXuYG)

165 That's how the process of scientific discovery works. There is no last word in research, and that includes climate research.

__________________

Huh? How can that be? His Eminence Al Gore, High Priest of Global Warming, assured us all that "the science is settled!"

Didn't this guy get the memo?

Posted by: Enraged Citizen at June 24, 2013 08:48 PM (/sohm)

166 Back when I was a teenager I went in one day for surgery. The last thing I remember hearing before the anesthesia knocked me out was someone telling the others in the room, "Come here and look at how white she is!" Nothing has changed since then.
Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 08:47 PM (iXuYG)



Lmfao.

During the sliding on the pirate slide, this neighbor kid climbs up the slide and is at the top near me. I hear, in this awed voice, "Woah!" "What?" "I've never seen anyone with more freckles than me!"

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:49 PM (GEICT)

167 163 #83 Body Builder, thank you so much for the link to Boris Johnson's op ed in the Telegraph!
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 08:47 PM (GoIUi)

Actually that link was from Jeff B, Miss Marple, and I got into trouble for overexpressing my enthusiasm for it.

Posted by: Body Builder at June 24, 2013 08:49 PM (2ArJQ)

168 1988 Senate hearing on climate, they turned off the AC without telling the public so the cameras would see everyone sweating in the heat.

It was pretty obvious then that it was a con game.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 24, 2013 08:46 PM (qyfb5)


Fun fact: One of Florida's statues in the Capitol's Statuary Hall Collection is John Gorrie, the father of refrigeration and AC.

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 08:50 PM (iXuYG)

169 With all due respect to Ace, {luv ya dude}, this entire post is bullshit!

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 08:50 PM (fM4kr)

170
And I quote, "This is a political thing. Ew. And you can tell them I'm a shallow and vain person. If no one is taking pictures and I can't scrapbook it, I don't wanna go."

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:47 PM (GEICT)


Damn....those scrapbookers are focused.

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 08:51 PM (X6akg)

171 The amount of human hubris is takes to think that our puny output of a trace gas can do anything is just remarkable. As for the assertion that, gee, we couldn't find a culprit--THE GIANT THERMONUCLEAR BALL IN THE SKY might serve as a starting point.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 24, 2013 08:02 PM (pg7Wo)-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The deuce you say!! You mean my suburban is not causing global warming
climate change?? It's actually a ball of gas in the sky undergoing nuclear fusion reactions? Whew, we really got lucky, didn't we? We better tell someone, quick!

Posted by: Timon at June 24, 2013 08:51 PM (LGDTn)

172 With all due respect to Ace, {luv ya dude}, this entire post is bullshit! Posted by: jem


Por que?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 08:51 PM (57bzg)

173 Fun fact: One of Florida's statues in the Capitol's Statuary Hall Collection is John Gorrie, the father of refrigeration and AC.

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 08:50 PM (iXuYG)


Not surprising.


You ever been to Florida? It's like they put a swamp on the surface of the fucking sun.


That man should be knighted, sainted and naked playboy models should throw themselves at his statue.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:52 PM (GEICT)

174 Ouch. That Blackhawk just got sniped in the bean.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 08:52 PM (ZshNr)

175 You ever been to Florida? It's like they put a swamp on the surface of the fucking sun.


With lots and lots of old Yankees.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at June 24, 2013 08:53 PM (7ItWM)

176 These guys remind me of Marxist economists. "Our theory is sound. We always knew there was a 2% chance we would run out of toilet paper."


Posted by: Thatch at June 24, 2013 08:53 PM (qYvEa)

177 >>> With all due respect to Ace, {luv ya dude}, this entire post is bullshit!

Don't go steppin on my lines, kid.

Posted by: Joe Pesci at June 24, 2013 08:54 PM (z9HTb)

178 Posted by: lauraw at June 24, 2013 08:32 PM (yGblt)

Just where the hell have you been Missy? We uns have missed ya around these here parts!

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 08:54 PM (fM4kr)

179 You ever been to Florida? It's like they put a swamp on the surface of the fucking sun.


That man should be knighted, sainted and naked playboy models should throw themselves at his statue.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 24, 2013 08:52 PM (GEICT)


Orlando and Gulf Coast.

Two statues down from him in Statuary Hall is one of the statues from Illinois: Frances Willard, one of the leaders of the Women's Christian Temperance Movement.

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 08:55 PM (iXuYG)

180 In the words of Maurice Strong. 1991.

It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class - involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, ownership of motor vehicles and small electrical appliances, home and workplace air-conditioning, and suburban housing - are not sustainable. A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging consumption patterns.

In other words the middle class is too rich and must be convinced to become poorer. All in the name of saving the planet.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 08:56 PM (STdzY)

181
Scary predictions.....hmmm, Canada magazine published a story years ago claiming that a billion people would be dead by 2012 from AGW. This happened right about the time everyone in Canada was sent an image of the Hokey Stick.

Another prediction, which still has five years on the clock, claims that the UK will have a Siberian climate.

Rising ocean levels....clams and coral dissolving in our newly acidified oceans, the Maldives disappearing beneath the waves. Wars and famines, and tipping points.

And the scientists wonder why people just don't believe them. Honest Injun, this time they're super serial!

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 24, 2013 08:56 PM (qoQi/)

182 If anything we should be approaching an Ice Age, at least on a geological time scale.


Which has nothing at all to do with us. If anything we might be forestalling it.


What surprises me is that this guy really seems to think what he's been doing is science.



Posted by: eleven at June 24, 2013 08:57 PM (fsLdt)

183 I bet five quatloos on them starving because building brick walls is beneath them.

Picturing brick walls on top of them is sooooooooo much more satisfying...

Posted by: Adriane... at June 24, 2013 08:57 PM (Jv4FA)

184 180 Ms Puma,

What it has always been about.

I miss Crichton, the conmen are winning.

Good night all....

buckle up and be safe

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 08:58 PM (LRFds)

185 I can't even watch short clips of Wendella on the cable over the Grand Canyon (or near it). Gives me major the willies!

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 08:58 PM (X6akg)

186 OT: Richard Matheson has passed away at the age of 87.

Those of you who used to watch the original Twilight Zone know exactly who I'm talking about. That, and his list of publications, which is almost too long to list, also includes items such as "I am Legend", "Slaughter House" (the basis for the movie "Legend of Hell House", "Duel" (the Dennis Weaver chase movie) and so on.

For a boatload of links, go hit the IMDB and follow them from there.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at June 24, 2013 08:58 PM (FvyJS)

187 Gives me major the willies!

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 08:58 PM (X6akg)


WT? I've only had one drink.

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 08:59 PM (X6akg)

188 Uh, sorry Joe. Who da hell dya think I am? AB? (gawd I wish I could have his fortitude).

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 08:59 PM (fM4kr)

189 Alas, I am not going to make it to the overnight thread this evening.

Good night, everyone!

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 24, 2013 09:00 PM (GoIUi)

190 Adriane, LOL!

More than likely they will be in their ivory colored straw tower wishing it was brick as the starving masses of desperate people break through looking for the last Twinkie and only finding them..

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 09:01 PM (STdzY)

191 Ted Cruz on Hannity tonight

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 24, 2013 09:01 PM (jjvz+)

192 Boston just had a glorious chance for another goal. We'll blame crappy ice conditions due to global warming rather than an imperfect pass.

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 09:01 PM (iXuYG)

193 Night Miss Marple!

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 09:01 PM (X6akg)

194 "There are two conceivable explanations -- and neither is very pleasant for us."

I find the probability that the Earth is not in some human caused world wide heat stroke death spiral pretty damn pleasant.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 24, 2013 09:01 PM (SzAZ7)

195 WT? I've only had one drink.

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 08:59 PM (X6akg)



Piker.

Husband is finally heading home. His dinner is on a plate, due to be microwaved.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 09:01 PM (lVPtV)

196 Piker.

Husband is finally heading home. His dinner is on a plate, due to be microwaved.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 09:01 PM (lVPtV)


We went out to dinner....I was designated driver home.

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 09:02 PM (X6akg)

197 Correction, Ted Cruz on NOW

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 24, 2013 09:02 PM (jjvz+)

198 The last thing I remember hearing before the anesthesia knocked me out was someone telling the others in the room, "Come here and look at how white she is!" Nothing has changed since then.

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 08:47 PM (iXuYG)


You say that like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 24, 2013 09:02 PM (qyfb5)

199 They're wrong and now we're in the "we did not shit our pants" phase.

Because reasons!

Posted by: eleven at June 24, 2013 09:03 PM (fsLdt)

200 194 "There are two conceivable explanations -- and neither is very pleasant for us."

I find the probability that the Earth is not in some human caused world wide heat stroke death spiral pretty damn pleasant.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 24, 2013 09:01 PM (SzAZ7)


When someone isn't making sense, re-think your assumptions about their motives. Also see that Maurice Strong quote above, from the "United Nations World Health Program For Murdering Billions And Keeping The Remaining Proles In Their Place As Servants To Their Rightful Masters, Us."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 24, 2013 09:04 PM (qyfb5)

201 Never forget those that equated suspicion of their statements with holocaust deniers and threats to imprisonment. We will never hear any apologies or even admissions of wrong from them.

Posted by: ddwoolwine at June 24, 2013 09:05 PM (hERp6)

202 So, lemme get this straight....the DOWNSIDE for these climate sciencytists for being wrong is that global warming ISN'T happening???

Hoo-boy...Okey-Dokey

Posted by: Albie Damned at June 24, 2013 09:05 PM (Yhu4q)

203
We went out to dinner....I was designated driver home.

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 09:02 PM (X6akg)



Ugh. I hate being DD.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 09:06 PM (lVPtV)

204 These climate idiots were ready to turn the world economy upside down but no embarassment?....get a rope.

Posted by: climate cowboy at June 24, 2013 09:07 PM (f/qE7)

205 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 24, 2013 09:04 PM (qyfb5)


~

My point exactly. These people became invested in AGW and ceased to be scientists. Storch seems to be catching on because nature has him bent over the pool table.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 24, 2013 09:07 PM (SzAZ7)

206 172
With all due respect to Ace, {luv ya dude}, this entire post is bullshit! Posted by: jem





Por que?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 08:51 PM (57bzg)

COJ,
What I am saying, is the entire post of the subject is bullshit, just like the entire AGAw global warming, is pure bullshit. Every time they come up with a new theory, every one seems to want to rush to print it. Like its the truth. Only ya gotta pass it to find out what is in it. 5 yr mark? 7 yr mark? oh wait, now it is gonna be a 15 year mark, because "I" say so. How long have 'they' been saying this?
No, i'm not calling Ace out, i'm just saying, based on past experiences, I'm calling the post bullshit.

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 09:07 PM (fM4kr)

207 201 Never forget those that equated suspicion of their statements with holocaust deniers and threats to imprisonment. We will never hear any apologies or even admissions of wrong from them.

Posted by: ddwoolwine at June 24, 2013 09:05 PM (hERp6)


Oh, no, they didn't stop there, recall the infamous "murder by button" video they proudly put out.

I used to spend a lot of time around hippies, "reducing the surplus population" is a huge thing for oh so many of them. And they're not talking about politely asking you to go to another planet.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 24, 2013 09:08 PM (qyfb5)

208 You say that like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 24, 2013 09:02 PM (qyfb5)


I figure that since a large chunk of the world is avoiding the sun and using creams to get skin like mine, the other chunk that thinks I look terrible because I'm unable to tan, refuse to fake it, and have a family history of skin cancer can deal with me being pale.

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 09:08 PM (iXuYG)

209 I think I'll crawl into my comfy bed (yay, new, wonderful mattress set) and watch some TV. I haven't been sleeping well at all lately. So tired.

If the snoring husband unit joins me I may join in the ONT.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 09:09 PM (lVPtV)

210 Good night (hopefully for many, many hours) Jane!

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 09:09 PM (iXuYG)

211 Night Jane....hope you sleep well!

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 09:10 PM (X6akg)

212 Did the CBO and GOSPLAN write the modeling code?

Based on the code I saw from the Climategate leaks I think Joe Biden wrote it.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 24, 2013 09:10 PM (OevbG)

213 "The only unfortunate thing is that our simulations failed to predict this effect."
----------
OR "Oh, yeah..., and we lied about 'knowing' anything."

Yeah the wasted billions, the suppression of economies, why, those things matter not at all.

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 24, 2013 09:10 PM (aDwsi)

214 Report: John Bolton Considering Run For President…



Big fan.

Via National Review:

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 09:10 PM (jE38p)

215 The unfortunately unnecessary carbon taxes.

The unfortunately unnecessary power plant shut downs that have impoverished our people.

All so unfortunate.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 24, 2013 09:11 PM (ZPrif)

216 Thanks, guys. However, I may well be back.

I remember when I could fall asleep by my head hitting the pillow, and sleeping through the night.

Boy oh boy, do I long for that time.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 09:11 PM (lVPtV)

217 180 In the words of Maurice Strong. 1991.

It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class - involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, ownership of motor vehicles and small electrical appliances, home and workplace air-conditioning, and suburban housing - are not sustainable. A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging consumption patterns.

In other words the middle class is too rich and must be convinced to become poorer. All in the name of saving the planet.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 08:56 PM (STdzY)


It's very simple. The ruling class wants to make sure they have all the resources they need to maintain their own lifestyles. They resent the middle class consuming some of "their" resources.

Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2013 09:11 PM (sdi6R)

218 Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 09:08 PM (iXuYG)

Not that you didn't know it, just wanted it on record that not everyone favors the "bronzed" look.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 24, 2013 09:11 PM (qyfb5)

219 off sock

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:12 PM (aDwsi)

220 214
Report: John Bolton Considering Run For President…




Holy cow. Well, I'm wide awake now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 09:12 PM (lVPtV)

221
Gotcha jem...

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 09:13 PM (waJ+2)

222
All so unfortunate.

And don't forget, Sweet Barry O will unveiling some more unnecessary, and unfortunate rules tomorrow.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 24, 2013 09:13 PM (qoQi/)

223 The 'Stache versus Hillary....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 09:13 PM (STdzY)

224 My dream team for 2016 is Perry/Cruz, with Bolton as Sec. of State.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 09:13 PM (lVPtV)

225 If I see/hear this "stand with conservatives" fucking commercial again I'm going to break something.

Posted by: Timon at June 24, 2013 09:14 PM (LGDTn)

226 As we speak, the NSA is digging up whatever "dirt" they can find on Bolton.

*waves at NSA goon watching me through my webcam*


Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 09:15 PM (lVPtV)

227 Actually, the thought of a debate between Hildebeast and the Stache is giving me a tingly feel in my naughty bits.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 09:16 PM (lVPtV)

228 *waves at NSA goon watching me through my webcam*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 09:15 PM (lVPtV)


Sometimes I feel almost sorry for the people who live at my IP address.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 24, 2013 09:16 PM (qyfb5)

229 If I see/hear this "stand with conservatives" fucking commercial again I'm going to break something.

Posted by: Timon
-----------------

Umm. Is that actually being run by a liberal oufit?..., seems I heard that?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:16 PM (aDwsi)

230 Okay, I'm actually, really, really leaving for my comfy bed now. Srsly.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 09:16 PM (lVPtV)

231
If I see/hear this "stand with conservatives" fucking commercial again I'm going to break something.

It seems like it pops up every commercial break.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 24, 2013 09:17 PM (qoQi/)

232 Not that you didn't know it, just wanted it on record that not everyone favors the "bronzed" look.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 24, 2013 09:11 PM (qyfb5)


Merci!

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 09:18 PM (iXuYG)

233 If I see/hear this "stand with conservatives" fucking commercial again I'm going to break something.

It seems like it pops up every commercial break.

***

Stand with conservatives tomorrow!

Mail your cans of sardines to Rubio and Boehner!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 24, 2013 09:18 PM (jjvz+)

234 I like Bolton... but he's a bit too NEO Con for me... he's very interventionist.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 09:20 PM (lZBBB)

235
"It seems like it pops up every commercial break."


Heh! Haven't seen it on the hockey game....

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 09:20 PM (KuUy9)

236 Fact is a lot of these guys are incapable of handling the tools. The smart ones seek out help from top of the line statisticians or computationalists. Sadly, these are few and far between. You'd think they'd get better computational support from those who would crawl over broken glass for the cause.

The real issue is having to account for all sources of non-model error before even getting to the model error itself. Also, if a time-frame is too narrow to tease out important behaviors (see collinearity) then it just won't.

The difficulty is, well, science is hard. Further you have to create something different to justify your existence. So, short cuts and conventional wisdom take hold. After all, if you can get a notable finding without putting together enough safe-guards on variation you get published... even more so if you are using methods that referees don't have a hope knowing.

I darkened the world of our staff grammarian by pointing out various hoaxes and the rest. She's a good person and sensical but there are those that put the hope and trust into science that is far more than should be allowed. On the other hand, we put her on our forefront so she sees the stuff we're trying to do... and all the arcane math we're making her read (*dark giggle*)

The bigger issue is that it is TOUGH to be a master of all domains... some people can handle it... others give the impression they can and they get big money for it. If I had a CS person to partner with I could do at least double my research load... but it doesn't happen. I have to be the one who knows each of these coding environs, sleuth out the math, build the model, convince everybody else I'm right, track down the bugs, make interested parties amenable, etc. This is science. Maybe not the way you thought, but its the way it is. Some of the more applied sciences get grad students to throw at a problem but not all do.

I'm not in academia but realize that the bulk of the great work is done by people who are incredibly capable at what they do... but there will be others who want to be part of the masquerade and say the right things. Then there's the rest of us that are pretty-damn-good and could do a lot of good with adequate technical support structures.

Posted by: Former Mass. Resident at June 24, 2013 09:20 PM (0MSn4)

237 Only the Stache can stop the burning times.


And even then....

Posted by: eleven at June 24, 2013 09:21 PM (fsLdt)

238 202
So, lemme get this straight....the DOWNSIDE for these climate
sciencytists for being wrong is that global warming ISN'T happening???

Hoo-boy...Okey-Dokey


Posted by: Albie Damned at June 24, 2013 09:05 PM (Yhu4q)

You are being played, once again. They are wrong for now, for MAYBE 5yrs. Then after that? They shift the charts and guess what? Because they admitted they were wrong once, then they will never be again. And since then, they have amended the old graphs and they were never wrong in the first place. They were RIGHT all all along! Get it?

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 09:22 PM (fM4kr)

239
Ok, I went to Facebook to look at something my cousin posted, and out of curiosity pulled up Rubio's page.

Not only has he failed to get the 500k followers he was pushing for, out of the 2,000 or so comments since 5:00 today, not a one was in support of what he did today.

Traitor, POS, turncoat, and sellout were some of the kinder names he's being called.

Deservedly so, by the way.

Personally, I like irrelevant shitstain.

Posted by: Marybeth at June 24, 2013 09:23 PM (zFUKI)

240 The smart ones seek out help from top of the line statisticians or computationalists.

All the best statisticians were probably refugees from the Tobbacco Institute

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 24, 2013 09:23 PM (e8kgV)

241 Umm. Is that actually being run by a liberal oufit?..., seems I heard that?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:16 PM (aDwsi)


Zuckerberg (Facebook) and SEUI fund that through "Americans for a Conservative Direction" (which only supports liberal causes), which is a subset of Zuckerberg's "FWD.org" technocratic lobbying group.

It's no surprise the ad is full of lies, the very name of the organization is a lie.

There are rumors of Soros money, but I haven't tracked that down yet.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 24, 2013 09:23 PM (qyfb5)

242 It's on again....

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 24, 2013 09:23 PM (qoQi/)

243 In the words of Maurice Strong. 1991.

It
is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the
affluent middle class - involving high meat intake, consumption of large
amounts of frozen and convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, ownership
of motor vehicles and small electrical appliances, home and workplace
air-conditioning, and suburban housing - are not sustainable. A shift is
necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging
consumption patterns.

In other words the middle class is too rich and must be convinced to become poorer. All in the name of saving the planet.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 08:56 PM (STdzY)

Note that the extremely wealthy, and Maurice Strong, the real-life incarnation of Ernst Stavro Blofeld, is certainly among their number, are spared the necessity of paring back their large-living lifestyles.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 24, 2013 09:24 PM (fNpC1)

244 If I have it right, the radio commercial is by Americans for a Conservative Direction. Apparently funded by..., wait for it..., Mark Zuckerburg . It's a beard. http://www.americansforaconservativedirection.com/

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:24 PM (aDwsi)

245 In other words the middle class is too rich and must be convinced to become poorer. All in the name of saving the planet.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 08:56 PM (STdzY)

Yes, pretty much, Anna.

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 09:24 PM (fM4kr)

246
@NDH
I spent a large chunk of the AM calling Senators and tweeting Senators and emailing Senators. And it didn't make a damn bit of difference. But I tried.

Next up, the Representatives. With Boner running things, I expect nothing.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 09:25 PM (MnSla)

247 Storch: "There are two conceivable explanations -- and neither is very pleasant for us."

There is a technical term for this and it's called reaping what you sow, asshole. And where did Der Speigle find an actual reporter who can ask questions instead of taking dictation while snuggling in the lap of the Climatoids?

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 24, 2013 09:25 PM (qIFL7)

248 IRS says they targeted groups with names using words "progressive", "occupy ", so they didn't target conservatives.



Riiiiggggghhhht.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 24, 2013 09:26 PM (nH8jP)

249 It's no surprise the ad is full of lies, the very name of the organization is a lie.



Posted by: Merovign
----------

One of my favorites is People for the American Way.

Although Students for a Democratic Society is amusing also.

They Left lie. They are filth

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:27 PM (aDwsi)

250 1-1. Chicago ties it up.

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 09:27 PM (iXuYG)

251 I want some butts!

Posted by: Air Boss at June 24, 2013 09:27 PM (qIFL7)

252 248 IRS says they targeted groups with names using words "progressive", "occupy ", so they didn't target conservatives.
Riiiiggggghhhht.


Posted by: Thunderb at June 24, 2013 09:26 PM (nH8jP)

They did target them.... for the fast track...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 09:28 PM (lZBBB)

253 I spent a large chunk of the AM calling Senators and
tweeting Senators and emailing Senators. And it didn't make a damn bit
of difference. But I tried.

Next up, the Representatives. With Boner running things, I expect nothing.


Posted by: Joethefatman
-----------------

Do not give up. The House action is more important. Lean on them hard.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:29 PM (aDwsi)

254 I figure that tomorrow's activity at the White House in regard to Climate Change is purely so Onama can claim some credit when the peer reviewed crowd finally relent.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 24, 2013 09:29 PM (e8kgV)

255 True sat.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 24, 2013 09:29 PM (nH8jP)

256 Shit hawks.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 09:30 PM (ZshNr)

257 214 Report: John Bolton Considering Run For President…

Big fan.

Via National Review:
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 09:10 PM (jE38p)
I don't question his patriotism, but I think he has a blind spot for the statism currently being exposed.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 09:30 PM (X4HxX)

258 They Left lie. They are filth

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:27 PM (aDwsi)


Not to mention the Democratic People's Republic of Korea or the German Democratic Republic.

I'm sure if I bothered I could dig up some similar examples from the French Revolution, the first large-scale implementation of the dreams of Rousseau, predecessor to Marx.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 24, 2013 09:33 PM (qyfb5)

259 IRS says they targeted groups with names using words "progressive", "occupy ", so they didn't target conservatives.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 24, 2013 09:26 PM (nH8jP)


Wow, it only took them, what, a year to come up with that after the inquiries from Congress last year?

And we already saw the admission that they didn't do that, thus the apology.

We're firmly in Squirrel mode.

ALL SCANDALS ON DECK. Someone needs to read the list into the record *EVERY DAY*.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 24, 2013 09:35 PM (qyfb5)

260
@ MH

I ain't never nohow ever learned how to give up. I may not get the result I long for but I don't give up.

This is the only place I live.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 09:35 PM (MnSla)

261 how long before he gets in a "car accident"?

Posted by: sound awake at June 24, 2013 09:35 PM (ZjfK8)

262 Mail your cans of sardines to Rubio and Boehner!
They will probably be intercepted as hazardous material.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 24, 2013 09:39 PM (kVfSG)

263 248
IRS says they targeted groups with names using words "progressive", "occupy ", so they didn't target conservatives.







Riiiiggggghhhht.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 24, 2013 09:26 PM (nH8jP)

Um-huh, that's right. 'Cuz they say so n' shit.

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 09:40 PM (fM4kr)

264 62
34: Do the "models" you looked at actually deal with physical
processes? Energy in. Energy out. Boundary (earth, sea, air) behavior.
And so on


Some try to. The factors they consider are incomplete though and there's a lot of guessing about what stuff "should" be. There's hard coded magic numbers and tables of assumed corrections all over the place.

After looking at the code of a number of them, my position has always been EVEN IF the models were correct on paper or a blackboard, their embodiment in code is so flawed due to ignoring so many standard techniques of computational math that the result is inherently untrustworthy.

The result is certainly NOT trustworthy enough to bet trillions of dollars on. For that kind of gamble, I want to see correctness proofs of the code, as well as better than normal compiler and hardware certifications. I've seen compiler and "silent" data corruption CPU errata over the years to know they occur with alarming regularity. ex. The 486 was notoriously rife with scary floating point errata...far worse than the more publicized "Pentium bug".

I have a set of CPU and NPX validation tests I wrote many years ago that test for P5 compatibility. Apparently they're better than whatever shit Intel uses, because they keep turning up bugs on newer chips...

Posted by: Purp at June 24, 2013 09:43 PM (/gHaE)

265
Hmm, it's quiet.

A little too quiet.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 09:43 PM (0HooB)

266 *Twiddles thumbs, waits for ONT*

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 09:45 PM (iXuYG)

267 Climate science is an oxymoron. And a colossal waste of money. But who cares about that? The Left certainly doesn't. Nor does have the right. I'm done.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 24, 2013 09:46 PM (n8LUb)

268 Am I the only one who has noticed that a large number of the car commercials are targeted at the affluent?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:47 PM (aDwsi)

269 If you drill down into these models, then you'll find lots of other predictions that have been missed as well - tropical hotspots, water vapor transport, tropospheric temperatures, sea levels, etc. With, in my opinion, the coup-de-grace being the lack of water vapor content. That goes to the positive feedback mechanism and without it - all is null.-

Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 09:47 PM (CMlD4)

270 Am I the only one who has noticed that a large number of the car commercials are targeted at the affluent?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:47 PM (aDwsi)


I agree with that, but will say that in the DC area an outfit called Eastern Motors has a ton of commercials with horrible music and the slogan, "At Eastern Motors, your job's your credit." Somehow they make enough money to get Redskins players to appear in the commercials and lip-sync the jingle.

Now I have the jingle going through my head.

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 09:49 PM (iXuYG)

271 Test

Posted by: Ender at June 24, 2013 09:49 PM (uca19)

272 @NDH
I spent a large chunk of the AM calling Senators and tweeting Senators and emailing Senators. And it didn't make a damn bit of difference. But I tried.

Next up, the Representatives. With Boner running things, I expect nothing.

***

You're a good man.

It might not make a difference but they'll know how we feel.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 24, 2013 09:50 PM (jjvz+)

273 ..if you drill down into these models,...
---------------

Well, there's yer problem. The Left oppose drilling...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:50 PM (aDwsi)

274 234 I like Bolton... but he's a bit too NEO Con for me... he's very interventionist.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 09:20 PM (lZBBB)


257
I don't question his patriotism, but I think he has a blind spot for the statism currently being exposed.
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 09:30 PM (X4HxX)


This and this.

At least he's pro-American, in deep contrast to Obama, but I think he is pretty much a statist.

Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2013 09:50 PM (sdi6R)

275 Oh well, Al Gore's scam had a good run. It's lucky that Barky and I sold our carbon credits at the peak. We made millions!

It's like grabbing low hanging fruit. It's like giving a new male page a wedgie. It is like scamming the left-wing fringe. It's like money for nothing and your boy's for free.

Posted by: Barney F. at June 24, 2013 09:50 PM (m5Tr1)

276 Well, there's yer problem. The Left oppose drilling...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:50 PM (aDwsi)


Certain kinds they're fine with.

Posted by: Vendette denounces herself at June 24, 2013 09:51 PM (iXuYG)

277 Okay, so it's a dead thread. Good. Road boy #2 got a job today in Boston. Just down the street from his apt. I am ecstatic.

Chinese restaurant. As a Cook. He's 6'3".

Cracks me up.

Proud of the boy, since 50% of kids his age don't have jobs. Plus he interns in a recording studio and plays in a band.

He'll be 21 in 2 months and can then live the FULL Moron lifestyle

{{{{{{***shudders***}}}}}}}

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 09:51 PM (4Mv1T)

278 What is short for POTUS?

POS of course!

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 24, 2013 09:51 PM (e8kgV)

279 Very good, TR.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 09:52 PM (ZshNr)

280 You know why the GOP is losing?
Cause you're not watching the game

RINOs

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 24, 2013 09:52 PM (PwTLl)

281 Some try to. The factors they consider are incomplete though and there's
a lot of guessing about what stuff "should" be. There's hard coded
magic numbers and tables of assumed corrections all over the place.

After
looking at the code of a number of them, my position has always been
EVEN IF the models were correct on paper or a blackboard, their
embodiment in code is so flawed due to ignoring so many standard
techniques of computational math that the result is inherently
untrustworthy......from Purp.

And, Purp, what do you think about this article/post? Can it be fudged, ya think, can it be manipulated, for the time line? They have been messing with the "science" for so long, what haven't they figured out they could try to persuade us with, with the tom foolery?

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 09:52 PM (fM4kr)

282 Now I have the jingle going through my head.

Posted by: Vendette
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Good luck with that..., I once had "Another One Bites The Dust" stuck in my head for three days. It was ultimately displaced by an ugly hangover.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:53 PM (aDwsi)

283 269 Jean,

Indeed...

take the hurricane hysteria from Sandy...

Brakl tweets acting as though shit is unprecedented...

he got bitchslapped...

http://tinyurl.com/nwzl6ee


Oops turns out Grover Cleveland had to deal with 26 to Brak's 3....

OOPS

I'm certain unless he ruins our energy sector and fucks with coal exports tomorrow we're gonna get 23 hurricanes in 3 years...

and see that is what pisses me off as a History student back in the day...

words like "unprecedented" mean things beyond gopddamned shorthand for "I want more power"....


anyway sorry to be a bother...

I'm hitting the hay if I don't pop in have a good week.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 09:53 PM (LRFds)

284 It was ultimately displaced by an ugly hangover.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
--------------------

Is there any other kind?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 09:54 PM (4Mv1T)

285 273 Mike Hammer,

NOT ME!

/R love esq

How ya doin'?

//B Soetoro esq

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 09:54 PM (LRFds)

286 Good luck with that..., I once had "Another One Bites The Dust" stuck in my head for three days. It was ultimately displaced by an ugly hangover.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:53 PM (aDwsi)


This is what I have going through my head:

http://tinyurl.com/ytqo56

Posted by: Vendette denounces herself at June 24, 2013 09:55 PM (iXuYG)

287 This thread is still on top??

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 09:56 PM (QLNHI)

288 269
If you drill down into these models, then you'll find lots of other predictions that have been missed as well
+++++++++++++

and if you torture the data long enough, it will give up

Posted by: NCwoof at June 24, 2013 09:56 PM (aUQgu)

289 Reading the comments is entertaining too.

They're laced with commentary that says explicitly that they know some technique they're using is wrong and really just guessing, but doing it right is either too hard or nobody has the data needed to do it right.

In some cases, the comments said explicitly that some result was stubbed out with guesses because so-and-so was supposed provide the real stuff and hadn't yet.

Its the kinda shit you see in demos and alpha-level code.

Posted by: Purp at June 24, 2013 09:56 PM (/gHaE)

290 So we're not going to be arresting oil company CEOs for crimes against humanity? Just Great. Now what am I going to do with this nightstick and handcuffs I got off Craig's List?

Posted by: Dr. James Hansen at June 24, 2013 09:56 PM (SzAZ7)

291 Is there any other kind?

Posted by: Tobacco Road
========

Well, this was a magnitude 10. Probably killed the associated brain cells.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:57 PM (aDwsi)

292 Here is the best earworm you will ever have.

It will make you dance in inappropriate places.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_iC0MyIykM

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 09:58 PM (4Mv1T)

293 So we're not going to be arresting oil company CEOs
for crimes against humanity? Just Great. Now what am I going to do with
this nightstick and handcuffs I got off Craig's List?

Posted by: Nobel Prize winning Dr. James Hansen

----

FIFY

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 09:58 PM (aDwsi)

294 Hey has anyone heard from Teej? He had a job interview this afternoon.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 09:59 PM (EYfcP)

295 I want my, I want my ONT

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 09:59 PM (iXuYG)

296 TR -- I am NOT clicking that..., I have enough stuff mired in my head already.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 10:00 PM (aDwsi)

297 Now I have the jingle going through my head.

Posted by: Vendette at June 24, 2013 09:49 PM (iXuYG)


Kisssssss my bumper.

Just kiss it.


(Totally forget who that's for though)

Posted by: RWC at June 24, 2013 10:00 PM (8FeS+)

298 Climate change is just another Lefty factoid invented to sink Capitalism, like Peak Oil.

The Fairy Tale er, History Channel still runs a documentary on that Bull Shit.

Posted by: ontherocks at June 24, 2013 10:01 PM (PbnQ8)

299 Yes Purp, anyone who presented those "models" would have their heads ripped off and the shots shat down if they presented them to OSD TE or any other discipline with a strong orsa validation base.

Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 10:01 PM (CMlD4)

300 Well, this was a magnitude 10. Probably killed the associated brain cells.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
---------------------
After NDH's whisky/whiskey post Sunday, I felt compelled to participate at that early hour. I do not know at what hour I departed the HQ. I thought I would need surgery yesterday.

And MH- That link is the The Cissy Strut by The Meters. It is ALL good.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 10:01 PM (4Mv1T)

301 Stanley Cup tied after two periods. 1-1.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 10:01 PM (ZshNr)

302
I want my, I want my ONT

Posted by: Vendette
-------

Maybe get blister on your little finger,
Maybe get a blister on your thumb..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 10:02 PM (aDwsi)

303 I want to know when the House is going to bring charges against that traitor George Bush. Bush lied to President Obama when he first took office about the state of the country. President Obama finds out new problems everyday because of that SOB Bush. Bush lied and should be jailed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: LaQuisha Largess at June 24, 2013 10:02 PM (3Z1wn)

304 277
Okay, so it's a dead thread. Good. Road boy #2 got a job today in Boston. Just down the street from his apt. I am ecstatic.



Chinese restaurant. As a Cook. He's 6'3".



Cracks me up.



Proud of the boy, since 50% of kids his age don't have jobs. Plus he interns in a recording studio and plays in a band.



He'll be 21 in 2 months and can then live the FULL Moron lifestyle



{{{{{{***shudders***}}}}}}}

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 09:51 PM (4Mv1T)

Good on him, and you and the Mrs. As long as he understands it aint gonna be no picnic. Ya did good, TR. Encourage him in his music endevour too!

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 10:02 PM (fM4kr)

305 301. Great game again

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 24, 2013 10:03 PM (dYf+Z)

306 Can it be fudged, ya think, can it be manipulated, for the time line?

I think a lot of what's there has already been tortured to the breaking point.

There's a huge number of (software) knobs and dials that can be frobbed in this to produce whatever result you need.

"Oh look -- the XYZ correction was coded in as .0034, but it really should have been .0035, and that changes everything!"

Some intern or grad student will be blamed.

Posted by: Purp at June 24, 2013 10:03 PM (/gHaE)

307 Thanks jem. Good news doesn't come along as often as I'd like. I amaze myself at how giddy I get with titbits of glad tidings.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 10:05 PM (4Mv1T)

308 Burying the lede 101: This should have been titled "If Warming Doesn't Recur Within 2 Years, All Current Climate Prediction Models Will Have Failed". Upon failure of the remaining models, the assumptions regarding climate inputs and outputs will all have to be reconsidered, along with the underlying assumptions which researchers used to determine what factors would be used in their models, along with the amplitude allowed each individual factor.

A group at Woebegone Community College and Animal Husbandry Clinic have recommended basing the primary factor in a model, which traditionally is the factor that describes the greatest amount of within-dataset variation, on the sun and its activity. Thus far, more established Climate Scientists are not interested inthe giant thermonuclear furnace in the sky, stating they'd prefer to tweak their cloud modeling.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN is on his tablet at June 24, 2013 10:05 PM (un8zR)

309 I would trade any earworms for these damn fucking frogs!

Dammit. Shut the hell up!!!!

Posted by: RWC at June 24, 2013 10:05 PM (8FeS+)

310 And MH- That link is the The Cissy Strut by The Meters. It is ALL good.

Yep, it is.

Posted by: Infidel at June 24, 2013 10:06 PM (SkhKv)

311 Posted by: Purp at June 24, 2013 10:03 PM (/gHaE)

~

Did I tell you about my process that can make random numbers into a hockey-stick graph?

Awesome trick.

Posted by: Michael Mann at June 24, 2013 10:06 PM (SzAZ7)

312 Speaking of Michael Mann. What happened with that lawsuit he was waging on NRO?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 10:08 PM (4Mv1T)

313 Good on him, and you and the Mrs. As long as he understands it aint gonna be no picnic. Ya did good, TR. Encourage him in his music endevour too!
Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 10:02 PM (fM4kr)



Good luck to the lad.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN is on his tablet at June 24, 2013 10:08 PM (un8zR)

314 Look at them yo yos.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 24, 2013 10:09 PM (kVfSG)

315 'der Spiegel' means 'the mirror' in German, btw. Used to be conservative in the 50s and 60. Weekly news mag

Back in the day, they built their Berlin office right on the western side of the wall.


commies and progs hated that........

Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at June 24, 2013 10:09 PM (omBWL)

316 TR -- "The Meters"? It's funky alright...., but how did you ever run across them?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 10:09 PM (aDwsi)

317 Thanks St Pat. He could use some.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 10:10 PM (4Mv1T)

318 307
Thanks jem. Good news doesn't come along as often as I'd like. I amaze myself at how giddy I get with titbits of glad tidings.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 10:05 PM (4Mv1T)

Yes Sir, a lil' bit can go a long ways. Encourage the child, direct and guide. It is all ya can do and hope for the best.

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 10:10 PM (fM4kr)

319 Shit
I'm torn
Finish the game or go for a 1700 run worth $120

Ugggh

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 24, 2013 10:11 PM (9TME+)

320 TR -- "The Meters"? It's funky alright...., but how did you ever run across them?
Posted by: Mike Hammer
----------------------
Watch "Red". Funny as hell. 2010 film with Bruce Willis, Helen Mirren, John Malchevich, Morgan Freeman, Richard Dreyfuss, and some funny, hot chick.

I watched it three times, since nothing else is worth a crap. The sequel comes out this July 19th, I think.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 10:13 PM (4Mv1T)

321 309 I would trade any earworms for these damn fucking frogs!

Dammit. Shut the hell up!!!!



Ya do the jitter bug...
Ya do the jitter bug...
Wake me up! Before you go-go...

That should cover your ear worm needs sufficiently.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN is on his tablet at June 24, 2013 10:13 PM (un8zR)

322 There is a Reagan special on the Military channel.

Posted by: Infidel at June 24, 2013 10:13 PM (SkhKv)

323 Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 10:05 PM (4Mv1T)

I'm happy when the 21-year-old flushes the toilet.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 10:13 PM (WW8xK)

324 Ops, Reagan on the Cold War. Refreshing. Last time we had class in the White House.

Posted by: Infidel at June 24, 2013 10:14 PM (SkhKv)

325 I have a set of CPU and NPX validation tests I wrote many years ago that test for P5 compatibility. Apparently they're better than whatever shit Intel uses, because they keep turning up bugs on newer chips...
Posted by: Purp at June 24, 2013 09:43 PM (/gHaE)


This is one of those things that creates my "cold dread" moments as I realize that we're moving into a world where we become more and more dependent on technology and we still make it like it doesn't matter if it works or not.

There will be a "Moore's Law Correction" at some point where the curve is shifted to correct for the fact that "two or three 9's" is "good enough" WRT reliability.

For people who care, mid-year server memory and systems are still dirt cheap now. Not really for gaming systems, but if I was building more non-gaming systems now I would go for it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 24, 2013 10:14 PM (yoh1c)

326
Posted by: Purp at June 24, 2013 09:56 PM (/gHaE)

And people wonder why I have zero faith in computer modeling replacing animal research. Computer modeling I'd too subject to manipulation.

Posted by: tsrblke (tablet) at June 24, 2013 10:14 PM (GaqMa)

327 A group at Woebegone Community College and Animal
Husbandry Clinic have recommended basing the primary factor in a model,
which traditionally is the factor that describes the greatest amount of
within-dataset variation, on the sun and its activity. Thus far, more
established Climate Scientists are not interested inthe giant
thermonuclear furnace in the sky, stating they'd prefer to tweak their
cloud modeling.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN is on his tablet at June 24, 2013 10:05 PM (un8zR)

ROLOTF! OMFG tooooooooooooooooooo funny! hahahahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaa, tweak their cloud modelinggggggggg! How perfect does that apply to this post. lammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmggggggggggggggggggglmaoooooooooo

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 10:14 PM (fM4kr)

328 Encourage the child, direct and guide. It is all ya can do and hope for the best.

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 10:10 PM (fM4kr)

So.....taking him into the backyard and beating his ass isn't a good idea?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 10:15 PM (WW8xK)

329 Scheisse in; scheisse out.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 24, 2013 10:15 PM (9+vDU)

330 vendette - you work to hard

Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 10:15 PM (CMlD4)

331 I'm happy when the 21-year-old flushes the toilet.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
---------------------

Until my resident Moron moved out two years ago, I thought I had a sewage leak in his basement bathroom. Serious you guys.

Fortunately, he just pissed all over the place. Nothing I couldn't clean up, eventually.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 10:16 PM (4Mv1T)

332 Last time we had class in the White House.

Posted by: Infidel at June 24, 2013 10:14 PM (SkhKv)

Bush 41 and his wife are good people.

He is a political hack, but.......

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 10:16 PM (WW8xK)

333 Beating his ass is a great idea. It works too.

Posted by: Infidel at June 24, 2013 10:17 PM (SkhKv)

334 Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 10:16 PM (4Mv1T)

We are renovating an old bathroom....the one the retard 21-year-old uses. He has to use his sister's bathroom until it's done.

She is furious. She says he is disgusting, and can't be trusted to do anything without smearing....something....all over the place.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 10:18 PM (WW8xK)

335 Agreed, The Bushes have class, but no nut sack.

Posted by: Infidel at June 24, 2013 10:19 PM (SkhKv)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 10:19 PM (WW8xK)

337 Still this thread?
Well, have no fear. I'm typing so here comes the ONT.

Posted by: teej at June 24, 2013 10:19 PM (erYRT)

338 if they presented them to OSD TE or any other discipline with a strong orsa validation base

One of the things I noted completely absent was any sort of conditionalized mutation testing code built in.

When I was actively doing commercial OS development work some years ago, I'd inject intentional wrong results all the time when testing fixes and performance hacks.

I wasn't just interested in if something appeared to pass all the OS tests, I was interested in how robust the tests themselves were in detecting when the OS was fucking up. Those mutation tests allowed me to radically improve the OS unit level tests to where they were catching even pretty obscure deviations from spec within API's.

I've developed and tested commercial OS's that shipped to millions of users worldwide.

The test/validation regimen on these models doesn't even begin to match that of commercial OS. Not even close.

Posted by: Purp at June 24, 2013 10:20 PM (/gHaE)

339 337 How was the interview?

Posted by: NCwoof at June 24, 2013 10:20 PM (aUQgu)

340 TR -- "The Meters"? It's funky alright...., but how did you ever run across them?


Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 24, 2013 10:09 PM (aDwsi)

Seriously, Mike? The Meters are huge in RB, and have been for decades. And most of their members have gone on to have huge solo careers, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 24, 2013 10:20 PM (fNpC1)

341 So.....taking him into the backyard and beating his ass isn't a good idea?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Might I say graciously.

YOU. HAVE NO. FUCKING. IDEA.

I have dreamed of shallow graves in my back yard. And I verbally threatened to ....
Well. *ahem* You catch my drift.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 10:20 PM (4Mv1T)

342 Boys loves targets

Cheerios in the toilet bowl

Does wonder to improve the aim

Made the oldest "clean" his bathroom when it got out of hand

Posted by: Thunderb at June 24, 2013 10:22 PM (nH8jP)

343
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 10:18 PM (WW8xK)
I shared s bathroom with my sisters and they used to be bad about getting their...hygiene products in the trash. Eventually my dad lost his shit cleaning it up while I had friends over and the problem stopped for a while.

Posted by: tsrblke (tablet) at June 24, 2013 10:23 PM (GaqMa)

344 One of my favs was "I brought you into this world and I can damn well take you out!"

Posted by: Infidel at June 24, 2013 10:23 PM (SkhKv)

345 Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 24, 2013 10:20 PM (4Mv1T)

Join me for a few drinks at my local bar (excellent bartender). We will then adjourn to Chez Dildo, where I will introduce you to said retard.

I challenge you to go 30 seconds without looking at him and saying, "Are you really that fucking stupid?"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 10:23 PM (WW8xK)

346 328
Encourage the child, direct and guide. It is all ya can do and hope for the best.

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 10:10 PM (fM4kr)

So.....taking him into the backyard and beating his ass isn't a good idea?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 10:15 PM (WW8xK)

If it dayum well comes to that CBD! Iffen it needs to be done, it needs to be done. Ya can only do so much, gently, then by gawd put the fear of Parent and God, or Parent as gawd into them. Don't let them pull no shit. I went thru this with a 17y old. She is 32 now and holds me in the highest esteem.

Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 10:24 PM (fM4kr)

347 Purp, the cpu and memory validation routines need to implemented in Xen (and others) to evaluate multiple hosts and then to use the information gleaned to distribute loads.

Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 10:24 PM (CMlD4)

348 Jean sounds like Saturday night at Sandra Flukes

Posted by: Thunderb at June 24, 2013 10:25 PM (nH8jP)

349 If it dayum well comes to that CBD! Iffen it needs to be done, it needs to be done. Ya can only do so much, gently, then by gawd put the fear of Parent and God, or Parent as gawd into them. Don't let them pull no shit. I went thru this with a 17y old. She is 32 now and holds me in the highest esteem.

Ditto for me jem. It's worth the effort.

Posted by: Infidel at June 24, 2013 10:26 PM (SkhKv)

350 Posted by: Purp at June 24, 2013 10:20 PM (/gHaE)

I was a beta tester for a huge corporate-wide control program. We were the second facility, but the first 24-hour operation to test.

After 30 minutes, the corporate programming team said, "But it passed all the tests!"

ON/OFF is a test. Just not a very good one.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 10:26 PM (WW8xK)

351 Well, I just wrote my congressman--Democrat, black, infirm grasp of certain broad oceanic geological concepts---an email that I admitted was pointless, saying "no" on the immigration monstrosity, and that I was doing it so that a.) I could wipe my hands of the district in good conscience, and b.) that the low-wage competition the citizens of the district would get were not in any way, shape, or form be my responsibility.

A pointless exercise overall, but play the game with honor. All you can do.

I'd vote yes for secession in a heartbeat.

Posted by: T. at June 24, 2013 10:28 PM (Ccyem)

352 CBD - you havent seen systems fail like they fail when a bunch of 18yo airmen get turned loose on them.

Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 10:29 PM (CMlD4)

353 Go Blackhawks. Toews the team captain is from UND.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 24, 2013 10:29 PM (nH8jP)

354 ONT up.

Posted by: Infidel at June 24, 2013 10:29 PM (SkhKv)

355
ROLOTF! OMFG tooooooooooooooooooo funny! hahahahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaa, tweak their cloud modelinggggggggg! How perfect does that apply to this post. lammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmggggggggggggggggggglmaoooooooooo
Posted by: jem at June 24, 2013 10:14 PM (fM4kr)



They've also almost finished a new set of factors. They're focussing strongly on deep ocean temps they can't measure, have ruled out naturally-occurring methane as a greenhouse gas, are seriously considering nitrogen as a player, but they haven't found the hot new molecule that gets them on TV if they study it. This scientist recommends a video documentary attempting to prove boobs were a previously unknown factor, but have been shown to amplify local warming trends when present. At least there's tons of anecdotal data.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN is on his tablet at June 24, 2013 10:30 PM (un8zR)

356 Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 10:29 PM (CMlD4)

THAT'S a test!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 10:31 PM (WW8xK)

357 >> So.....taking him into the backyard and beating his ass isn't a good idea?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo





Make it a class on the differences between Statism and Capitalism.

You tell the child that they're fucking idiots and all possessions come from you until they are capable of earning their own.

Individual rights have to be learned and then earned by offspring.
Until that time bad behavior loses them shit so that you don't lose yours

Posted by: ontherocks at June 24, 2013 10:32 PM (PbnQ8)

358 Another thing -- what I looked at, NONE of it was developed using a language with mandatory cross-platform spec semantics (like ADA has).

People bitch about ADA, but its semantics are very well defined...EVERYWHERE.

I could maybe accept something like Modula-2 as a substitute if they wanted to leverage existing Pascal talent...

Posted by: Purp at June 24, 2013 10:32 PM (/gHaE)

359
Goal!!!!

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 10:35 PM (ZshNr)

360 After 30 minutes, the corporate programming team said, "But it passed all the tests!"

The way you cure that is assign some of your best programmers to guerrilla testing outside the box of the standard test suite.

I was really good at that kinda shit because I could get in the mind set of "If I were an ordinary developer, how would I fuck this up?"

Over the years, I rooted out a huge quantity of bugs that way. Call it intuition, or whatever, but my batting average when I had "that feeling" was in the .500 range. I could just smell where the bugs were.

Posted by: Purp at June 24, 2013 10:41 PM (/gHaE)

361 If that apple continues not to fall, I just may have to change my theories on gravity.

Posted by: Newton at June 24, 2013 10:53 PM (WGm5T)

362 The weather prophets should be chucked in the deep end

They now think that we won’t have 10 years of blistering summer heat; on the contrary, it is apparently going to be 10 years of cold and wet.
It is outrageous.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 24, 2013 11:05 PM (e8kgV)

363 Word from the White House is that the boat and skis are ready .. they even brought in Henry Winkler to give the President last minute tips.

Yes, tomorrow, the President will "Jump the Shark" with his Climate Policy based on the the "settled science" and consensus that have all the markings of political theater and nothing to do with science.
The EPA, stuck in the past, and unwilling to follow the science where it leads, have given our President everything he needs to fight his "War on Coal."

In the days ahead, little children will begin to utter the refrain, much like the way the horses always whinnied at the mention of Frau Blücher, but instead the refrain will be from Little Jack of the movie "Meet the Fockers"

...Asshole!

Posted by: Dustin Hoffman at June 24, 2013 11:26 PM (e8kgV)

364 Global warming was "proven" by the climate scientists being unable to explain the observed warming with any other natural force that they knew of. The unproven axiom of that "proof" was that they already knew of all natural forces worth knowing.

Now that warming has stopped, and the models are unable to explain why or how, they are still acting as if that "proof" was still valid. It isn't. What has in fact been proven is that there is still a lot they don't know about how the climate works, still a lot of factors that they are missing from the models, and that they are BIG factors -- as big or bigger than the force that caused the warming they were originally built to explain.

What they need to do is go back to the drawing board and start over. That they haven't, that they are still talking about something delaying the inevitable (to their mind) warming shows that their hubris is overwhelming their reason. They have ceased to be 'scientists' in any useful sense of the word.

If they ever were scientists to begin with, that is.

Posted by: Socrateae at June 24, 2013 11:40 PM (AgrAs)

365 When do we try Al Gore for treason?

Posted by: SFGoth at June 25, 2013 12:40 AM (DF/XV)

366 John McAfee is a much weirder guy then I realized

http://tinyurl.com/lkrtkhq

Posted by: 18-1 at June 25, 2013 12:57 AM (zPVBH)

367 Daily reminder:

AL GORE ALMOST BECAME PRESIDENT.

Posted by: JohnKerryIsADoucheBag at June 25, 2013 01:16 AM (6sqK6)

368
It went around in April that the global temperature data was about to exit the 95% confidence interval they had drawn up. For those of you unfamiliar with confidence intervals, there's a hypothesis being tested, and if the data doesn't fall within the confidence interval, you reject the hypothesis.


In this case, the hypothesis is literally the AnthropogenicGlobal Warming theory, since the predicted temperature and the confidence interval are from the models, and the models ARE the scientific justification of the theory. So when the data leaves the 95% confidence interval, the AGW - which was never "settled science", but was the only scientifictheory in history to be declared undebatable - MUST be REJECTED, scientifically speaking.


So, NO, we don't have to wait 5 more years; we may already be there now, since we were on the precipice two months ago.


But maybe I just have an "attitude", or I missed the chapter in my statistics book where you go back and change the hypothesis after it gets rejected, while still saying it was right all along.


Really, it has occurred to me that we have the same situation as Mann's infamously discredited "hockey stick". You have a model that says the atmospheric temperature is UNSTABLE, and so the answer will always come out with increasing temperature. The "big" model is just more complex than what Mann did.

Posted by: Optimizer at June 25, 2013 01:23 AM (Mxt9o)

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"364... What has in fact been proven is that there is still a lot they don't know about how the climate works, still a lot of factors that they are missing from the models, and that they are BIG factors -- as big or bigger than the force that caused the warming they were originally built to explain.

What they need to do is go back to the drawing board and start over. That they haven't, that they are still talking about something delaying the inevitable (to their mind) warming shows that their hubris is overwhelming their reason. They have ceased to be 'scientists' in any useful sense of the word.

If they ever were scientists to begin with, that is."


Exactly, and they were never scientists. The organization at the center of this is literally a political organization, part of the UN. Climategate showed us that these are not "True Believers" who are frustrated in their attempts to get people to pay attention to an obvious and looming danger. Instead, it showed that they were frustrated by how difficult it was to torture the data into coming to the conclusion they were looking for, and how they would go to a great deal of trouble to try to silence any dissenting opinions. They jealously hide their data and their methods - even breaking freedom of information laws in the process, to make it harder to criticize what they have done, rather than to welcome people who want to see their proof.


Confidence interval or no, after 15 years, it's blindingly obvious that hey have to idea what the real driving forces are, yet even the reporter in the piece recognized how they had claimed infallibility.

Posted by: Optimizer at June 25, 2013 01:35 AM (Mxt9o)

370 What? Why do these people think this would be bad news? Or "unfortunate" or "embarrassing?"

It's good news if we aren't actually destroying the planet with increased CO2 emissions.

Posted by: Rip at June 25, 2013 02:52 AM (xffto)

371 First off, I think the correct spelling is 'stork' and it's where babies come from.

Posted by: Kevin at June 25, 2013 08:03 PM (egN29)






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