Senator Sessions: This Rush to Pass an Unread Amnesty Bill Is Exactly What Happened With ObamaCare

Indeed. We'll just have to pass it to find out what's in it.

“A yes vote on cloture tonight means that Sen. Reid will have gained full control of the process,” Sessions said, referring to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). “Senators have to play Mother May I.”

Sessions argued that Reid would be able to block any amendment votes he doesn’t want to take once cloture is invoked. Sessions complained that since the “border surge” amendment was filed Friday afternoon, senators haven’t had enough time to review the changes made in the more than 1,000 page bill.

“This is exactly what happened with ObamaCare,” Sessions said. “The majority rushed through a complex bill so there would be no time to understand what’s in it.”

Ted Cruz says the same:

On Monday at 5:30pm, the United States Senate will vote on the most sweeping immigration reform proposal it has considered in almost 3 decades – and it will do so having only seen the nearly 1200 pages of text for approximately 72 hours. Americans – including myself, my fellow senators and our staffs – are still trying to figure out exactly what is in the new Schumer-Corker-Hoeven “deal.”

Sound familiar? Pass it to find out what’s in it? Reminiscent of Obamacare, the lengthy amendment to replace the Gang of 8’s original bill was crafted behind closed doors and introduced late on Friday, after many members had left town. In the 2007 immigration debate, close to 50 amendments were considered. But this year, we have only debated 9 – with some of us being completely shut out.

Given only a weekend to review the language, we will now vote on whether to end a debate that never really began. To be clear – this is not a difficult vote. On process alone, we should all vote “no.“ This was by design – the President, Harry Reid and the Gang of 8 preferred all along to ram through a “deal,” and not have a real debate – just like Obamacare. Worse, just like Obamacare, the “deal” involved lots of horse-trading and buying off of votes at the last minute – a display of everything that is wrong with Washington, and one of the things I specifically campaigned against.

But, on substance – the vote is even easier. There are too many troubling provisions of the bill to list, such as de facto affirmative action hiring for current illegal immigrants due to Obamacare and huge amounts of discretion for the DHS Secretary to waive deportation and inadmissibility. And for all the talk, the new Schumer-Corker-Hoeven “deal” is nothing new at all. It’s the same amnesty-before-false-promise-of-security of the Gang of 8 and the bills of debates past.

That is why we started this petition, so that Americans can speak out and let Senators know that they oppose the legalization-first bill offered by the Gang of 8 and Schumer-Corker-Hoeven.

He then discusses the ways in which the "compromise" is extremely weak on border enforcement, and, in fact, even weakens the original Gang of 8 bill in some respects!

Rarely do we see so transparently how votes in the Senate are bought and sold, but the laundry list of buyoffs in this deal details plainly the path to amnesty. The last-minute introduction and overwhelming page count are by design, and this exercise has become more about politics than principle. This is Washington at its worst, and America deserves better. The proponents of this bill are squandering an opportunity to fix our legal immigration system responsibly and finally secure our borders. Instead, they are jamming through amnesty that undermines the rule of law and harms those who will desperately seek it.

Tell your Senator to vote “no.”

Meanwhile, there is the increadingly confused Jan Brewer, who supports the bill, because, um, "border security MUST come first," and this idiot seems to think that's what the bill is all about.

Brewer’s deliberately misleading the public at the behest of national Republicans who need prominent so-called “border hawks” like her to reassure low-information (a.k.a. dumb) GOPers that the bill is awesome. That seems likelier, although I believe Brewer’s term-limited as governor and therefore doesn’t really need anything from the national leadership. She could go her own way if she wanted to. [Or, perhaps]: She supports the bill on the merits because, like Marco Rubio, she’s not as much of a border hawk as she pretended to be when running for office three years ago. By the same token, how many conservatives who voted for her thought she’d be a fan of ObamaCare? We have, it seems, been misled. Again.

Evolution is real. I see it in GOP politicians all the time. Particularly the punctuated equilibrium sort of evolution -- GOP positions remain in stable and unchanged form for years and years, and then an event significantly changes their environment (that is, they win their primary and general election bids) and then, Whoa nelly!, the forces of mutation and evolution go bananas.

Posted by: Ace at 03:48 PM



Comments

1 This will end well....

Posted by: AnthonyB at June 24, 2013 03:51 PM (m7EhJ)

2 Well, it's not like she had time to read the bill either.

Posted by: Russian Border Guards at June 24, 2013 03:52 PM (Q9qpj)

3 I just heard Sean Hannity listing all the pork that's in the bill.

Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2013 03:52 PM (zoehZ)

4 Sound off. Let them hear you. Let them hear that you're unhappy and will hold them to account. It may not do any good, but silence signifies assent.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2013 03:52 PM (gqT4g)

5 Yes; It's like Obamacare the way a huge bill is being rushed through with nobody reading it. That's why I call it "Obamasnare 2" I called my Senators and said what Sessions said only in a shorter form.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 03:53 PM (/wToa)

6 What's next? The old IRA/401k grab? Nothing would surprise me any more.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 24, 2013 03:53 PM (l3vZN)

7
All I can imagine is dozens of Lionel Lutz' going around to all the Republicans sing-songing them into this Amnesty-rail.

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at June 24, 2013 03:53 PM (vzLhi)

8 This will be a victory for the 7th cavalry.

Posted by: George Armstrong Custer at June 24, 2013 03:53 PM (Q9qpj)

9 I gotta wonder just what the hell the NSA spies dug up on Rubio and Brewer.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 24, 2013 03:53 PM (7ObY1)

10 I'm trying out to be the next Nancy Pelosi!!1

Posted by: Jan Brewer at June 24, 2013 03:53 PM (nsg2T)

11
That stuff that's in the amendment???


Written years ago as a progressives wet dream and polished up by the staffers.... just like Hellthcare.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 24, 2013 03:53 PM (nELVU)

12 My question is, who writes these bills? They indeed may have more power than any of us can guess.

Especially as these bills are drafted in secret then passed without reading them.

Posted by: HH at June 24, 2013 03:54 PM (XXwdv)

13 Jan Brewer is as dense as Rubio. Seriously WTF has happened to these people?

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 03:54 PM (QFqop)

14 I'll just bend over now. Lemme know when it's done.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 24, 2013 03:55 PM (f9c2L)

15 Another frickin plant explosion. WTF.

Posted by: RWC at June 24, 2013 03:55 PM (8FeS+)

16 I love how every one of these terrible bills that Reid shoves down the Senate is packed full of pork. He can't pass a budget for 4 years, but he can insure that the right people still get paid off.

Posted by: oeJay44incday at June 24, 2013 03:56 PM (QxSug)

17 All I can imagine is dozens of Lionel Lutz' going around to all the Republicans sing-songing them into this Amnesty-rail.

"What about us brain-dad slobs?"

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 24, 2013 03:56 PM (/kI1Q)

18 Do you think the NSA knows the stuff I type then delete?

Posted by: nip at June 24, 2013 03:56 PM (lGVXf)

19 Bananas, indeed.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 24, 2013 03:56 PM (tWmgi)

20 I just heard Sean Hannity listing all the pork that's in the bill.

----

OOoooooo..... I like Chorizo.

Posted by: Joe Biden at June 24, 2013 03:56 PM (nELVU)

21 Here they're evolving into quivering pools of slime.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 24, 2013 03:56 PM (ApiTO)

22 Which is scarier, the lock step liberals that will pass this piece of shit no matter what or the braindead conservatives (lol) who are considering this.

What is it about merging with South America that is so appealing?

Posted by: oeJay44incday at June 24, 2013 03:57 PM (QxSug)

23
"What about us brain-dad slobs?"

Ummmm, we promise they won't take anyone's jobs?!?

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at June 24, 2013 03:57 PM (KeJAW)

24 Then there all the rats to be hired to manage this POS

Posted by: NCwoof at June 24, 2013 03:58 PM (aUQgu)

25 At least I can understand why Dingy Reid wants to do it this way. He's a dirtbag through and through.

I can even understand all the Senate Dems following him lockstep -- Party over Country is practically the Dem Mission Statement.

What I cannot understand is why the Repukes are (not so) blindly following along. Oh well. I await the Burning Time.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 24, 2013 03:58 PM (ccXZP)

26 All I can imagine is dozens of Lionel Lutz' going around to all the Republicans sing-songing them into this Amnesty-rail.


Is there a chance the squishes bend?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 24, 2013 03:58 PM (7ObY1)

27 *twitches on floor*

rtfbymfmf


*twitches on floor*



Also, did I miss the part where the Constitution was amended to require only 8 Senators to pass a bill? I mean, I slept through the whole repeal of the Fourth Amendment thing so I could have missed it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 24, 2013 03:58 PM (VtjlW)

28 We've become absolutely irrelevant to everyone in DC. Sure, they'll still come ask us for money and votes but they don't really give a shit what we want or think.

We are proles. We aren't even in the game anymore.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 24, 2013 03:58 PM (g1DWB)

29 Evolution is real. I see it in GOP politicians all the time.
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Was at the Museum of Natural History over the week end. The GOP deserves space in the dinosaur exhibit.

Posted by: sTevo at June 24, 2013 03:59 PM (KloM9)

30 If anyone saw an obviously deranged man driving on 17N about 45 minutes ago, that was me after I heard another commercial about this travesty of a bill.

They'll have to learn English!

Fuck you Marco Rubio, you cocksucking, backstabbing turncoat of a traitorous scumbag.
And that goes for you too Paul Ryan.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 04:00 PM (WW8xK)

31 Well, Republicans have completely ignored repealing Obamcare because they have more important things to do than preserve our healthcare quality, fight for people whose treatment costs are rising astronomically, permit people to continue freely choosing their healthcare plans and maintain the best healthcare on the planet which is now dissapearing.

Illegal immigrants need their amnesty. And they need it now.

By the way; they do realize who gets to vote in this country...don't they?

Posted by: Marcus at June 24, 2013 04:00 PM (GGCsk)

32 Assisted Suicide of the Republican Party

The Republicans in Congress are on the verge of relegating the GOP to the permanent status as the minority party. Despite the failure of the 1986 immigration reform which promised to, but failed to, control the border, many Senate Republicans are actually taking the lead on pushing amnesty with the fig leaf of empty promises on securing the border – And the Democrats are ever willing to assist.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=2489

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 24, 2013 04:00 PM (XvHmy)

33 I was in Iceland recently. All the minimum wage jobs -- airport janitors, fast food cashiers -- were worked by Scandi teenagers.

It was horrifying, being someplace that didn't depend on Third World imported labor.

Posted by: Jack Nine at June 24, 2013 04:00 PM (0h8aq)

34 Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 24, 2013 03:58 PM (VtjlW)

Where have you been?

They got the 2nd Amendment too.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 04:00 PM (WW8xK)

35 With regard to Brewer in Arizona, there is a large Mormon presence there who swing a big stick in AZ state-level politics.

It started becoming apparent a few years ago that the LDS hierarchy don't look at millions of illegal aliens as criminal intruders. They look at them as a giant new pool of potential Mormon converts. Look up the "Utah Compact" some time. Proselytization obsesses the LDS.

The head of the AZ state senate (himself LDS) got recalled over what the local Mormon bishops considered an excessively harsh anti-illegal-immigrant bill. One of the comments that stuck out to my eye was that "[such legislation] is complicating our missionary efforts in Latin America".

Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2013 04:00 PM (gqT4g)

36 What the hell has happened to Jan Brewer?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 04:01 PM (lVPtV)

37 evolution can become intelligent in design if the various recall websites get proper $ to get votes.

Posted by: oeJay44incday at June 24, 2013 04:01 PM (QxSug)

38 36 What the hell has happened to Jan Brewer?


The NSA spies got something big on her, apparently.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 24, 2013 04:02 PM (7ObY1)

39 I despise these idiots in DC and all their games to pay each other off. My only consolation is that Ace posts something pretty to look at after we are shafted with the cloture vote.

Posted by: LT at June 24, 2013 04:02 PM (mX6UJ)

40 Evolution?
No.

Devolution?
Perhaps.

Are we not men?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc

Posted by: The Evolutionary Hat at June 24, 2013 04:02 PM (XvHmy)

41 You don't need to read it. It's just the standard boilerplate.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at June 24, 2013 04:02 PM (8ZskC)

42 Wondering how the Senate became home to such asshatery. If I can find 10 that aren't complete America haters....will you spare it?

Posted by: Abraham at June 24, 2013 04:02 PM (FIDMq)

43 Is Brewer smoking a cheeba? Honestly, I think she's lost her mind.

Posted by: Marcus at June 24, 2013 04:02 PM (GGCsk)

44 absolutely the Gangbang of Ocho is either retarded or in on the gag...

if the house passes this shit we all need to ponder Plan B

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:03 PM (LRFds)

45 Posted by: Jack Nine at June 24, 2013 04:00 PM (0h8aq)

I hear the chicks are hot......Any truth to that?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 04:03 PM (WW8xK)

46 I was quoted out of context. What I meant to say was:

"This is a great triumph for the Mexican province of Arizona, amigos!"

Posted by: Jan Brewer at June 24, 2013 04:03 PM (Q9qpj)

47 And that goes for you too Paul Ryan.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 04:00 PM (WW8xK)


I wish Hewitt would play his interview after the 2010 midterms with Ryan when he was all over him to take advantage of the mandate he had to cut the everloving shit out of the federal budget and Paul kept insisting he would. Still waiting Paulie, you lying fuck.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 04:03 PM (QFqop)

48 38
36 What the hell has happened to Jan Brewer?





The NSA spies got something big on her, apparently.




I still think that's what happened with Roberts on Obamacare. Blackmail. Plain and simple.


It's the Chicago Way.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 04:03 PM (lVPtV)

49 Is any Republican hinting of joining a third-party if this passes?

If the GOP is intent on suicide, let them have it.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 24, 2013 04:03 PM (VjL9S)

50 What the hell has happened to Jan Brewer?


The "R" after her name is the first clue...

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 24, 2013 04:03 PM (8ZskC)

51 I can only think dementia at this point, Jane.

Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 24, 2013 04:04 PM (u25eL)

52 What I cannot understand is why the Repukes are (not so) blindly following along. Oh well. I await the Burning Time.

Posted by: GnuBreed


Because by the time there are appreciable bad things happening as a result, most of them will be retired in a nice, private community somewhere.

Plus as Ace points out, most GOPs seem to discard principles in a windstorm.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 24, 2013 04:04 PM (XS/b3)

53 First there was the "Cornhusker Kickback." What you call this, the "Arizona Assgrab?"

Posted by: George Orwell what enjoys going to the feelies at June 24, 2013 04:04 PM (xw77v)

54 Try now we can only lose
And our love becomes a funeral pyre.

Come On Baby Light My Fire
Come On Baby Light My Fire
Try to set the night on fire.

Posted by: L.I.B. at June 24, 2013 04:04 PM (nELVU)

55 I'm already unaffiliated. Let the GOP die!

Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 04:04 PM (El+h4)

56 From a completely selfish point of view; How does this bill benefit me in any way?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 24, 2013 04:04 PM (SkyIE)

57 There will be group punishment at the ballot box, GOP.

My rep is Dana Rohrabacher, but I'd gladly see the whole thing burn at this point.

Posted by: Bivalve Curious at June 24, 2013 04:05 PM (sYUAj)

58 We had to destroy border security in order to save it.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at June 24, 2013 04:05 PM (xw77v)

59 What I cannot understand is why the Repukes are (not so) blindly following along.


Incomprehensible. There's nothing but BAD in this bill for the right and for the nation.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 24, 2013 04:05 PM (8ZskC)

60 At least I know My Senator Cruz will not vote for it for sure and Cornyn looks like he will be voting against it too according to his twitter page if I'm reading it right. I don't twitter so it's a bit confusing to me. I know that doesn't help over all. Now I have to work on my Congressman which might be a bit tougher.

Posted by: lindafell at June 24, 2013 04:05 PM (PGO8C)

61 Sessions and Cruz appear to be the only ones in the Senate fighting this bill. I know where Grahamnasty is but where is Scott?

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 04:06 PM (lZvxr)

62 I try to avoid Route 17, CBD ;^) but my suggestion is to turn off the radio or find a music station you like and turn down the sound if and when they get to politics.. I find I must do that often.

Also, if you haven't call Chesia- from NJ. I got through and I'm hearing others are too. I called Menendez's office. He'll vote for it anyway, but it felt good to express my ire-in a "reasonable" way.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 04:06 PM (/wToa)

63 36
What the hell has happened to Jan Brewer?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 04:01 PM (lVPtV)

Elected officials in Arizona become clinically (R)etarded after a few years in office

Posted by: Red Shirt at June 24, 2013 04:06 PM (FIDMq)

64 Here's the question: Can Congress' rating go below 10%? Can we get it down to 5%?


Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 04:06 PM (El+h4)

65
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 24, 2013 03:53 PM (l3vZN)

If they do that, prepare for total economic collapse.
I'm above water in net worth for the first time I think in my short 20something year life.
But only because the wife and I have been making use of the 401k system to stock away for the future. Those are pretty much the extent of our net worth these days (The house is new, and thus very very much mortgaged.)

So if they take them, there's absolutely no reason I shouldn't max out my credit cards and declare bankruptcy. (Note that I'd have to first max out or frankly carry anything on the cards for more than a standard billing cycle.)

Posted by: tsrblke at June 24, 2013 04:06 PM (GaqMa)

66 Isn't the Senate the World's Greatest Deliberative Body? Isn't it the "cooling saucer" where the more volatile House bills get sent to chill for a while? I don't see much deliberation in this case.

Posted by: ejo at June 24, 2013 04:06 PM (GXvSO)

67
It took me a couple of weeks to read the unabridged version of The Stand. I can't imagine any one person having read this POS by today.

And BTW, some 65% of Americans have already said "no" to this bill in the polls, yet it's being forced upon us anyway, just as OCare was. I really wish someone in the Senate would start reading it on the floor.

Very slowly, while enunciating each and every syllable with distinction. And maybe stopping to ask questions.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 04:06 PM (0HooB)

68 Tell Mickey Kaus to get that guy out of my goddamned restaurant.

Posted by: akula_51 at June 24, 2013 04:06 PM (Vgn84)

69 We are witnessing the death of the GOP as a meaningful party in the Senate. Good riddance!

Spits on the floor...

Now lets get started replacing them. The sooner we do the less painful it will be in the long run.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 04:06 PM (57bzg)

70 The GOP should get rid of the elephant as its symbol and start using a lemming.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 24, 2013 04:07 PM (8ZskC)

71 All this, just so the Democrats can call us racists in their focus-group tuned ads aimed at Hispanics in 2014.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 24, 2013 04:07 PM (Q9qpj)

72 Hey, that Reid guy looks like the perv that tried to lure me into his van with a pomegranate. I said no way, not unless you got money or some candy. Then the smelly old fart slammed the door and drove off.

Posted by: underage male prostitute at June 24, 2013 04:07 PM (wAQA5)

73 BTW, for you NC morons and 'ettes, I called both Burr's and Hagan's offices to register my disapproval of this bill and urge them to vote against it, and neither seemed particularly busy (Hagan's dude seemed downright bored, and I don't think it was because he knew which side of the political spectrum I was on). So get those phones ringing!

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 24, 2013 04:08 PM (dcyTF)

74 Obamacare has set the pattern for all kinds of new legislation. Just imagine what the next "financial reform" bill will look like.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:08 PM (xw77v)

75 Neat fact: Stephen Jay Gould was a fraud as a scientist. He faked his own research data.
But he was heralded as the next super genius Einstein because he was a hard-core Marxist.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 24, 2013 04:08 PM (ZPrif)

76
Jan Brewer: As with Obamacare and now Amnesty, follow the money.

I thought that she was tough and had integrity. Wrong again silly Cheri.

Posted by: Cheri former Coast Guard at June 24, 2013 04:08 PM (G+Wff)

77 13 Jan Brewer is as dense as Rubio. Seriously WTF has happened to these people?
Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 03:54 PM (QFqop) Those Obama dossiers are many - and full of dirt. Why don't these guys just get together, call this idiot's bluff, and tell the American people how they are being blackmailed?

Posted by: Marybeth at June 24, 2013 04:09 PM (Ks0w4)

78 18 Do you think the NSA knows the stuff I type then delete?



Actually, yes they do.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 24, 2013 04:09 PM (7ObY1)

79 Sweet Jupiter, and I thought I had a Senate full of lapdogs.

Posted by: Augustus at June 24, 2013 04:09 PM (Q9qpj)

80 I gotta wonder just what the hell the NSA spies dug up on Rubio and Brewer.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 24, 2013 03:53 PM (7ObY1)


They didn't have to dig up anything on Ratshit Rubio. He has always been a pusher of lax immigration. He just went a step further to amnesty.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 04:09 PM (lZvxr)

81 Immigration: It's what's in your mouth!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 24, 2013 04:09 PM (wtvvX)

82 So, what explains Brewer's reversal on Obamacare and Amnesty in just the past 6 months?

I've never seen a pol shift that suddenly in my entire life.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 24, 2013 04:09 PM (ZPrif)

83 This will be the coup de grace for my Republican party membership if it passes. The family already has the forms to become Independents.

Then one day, when I am old and close to leaving this planet, maybe they will come up with a platform that most citizens want and a set of honest principles by which they will truly abide.

Republicans have become nothing but a bunch of unprincipled, sissy, marketing opportunists led by that clown Reince Preibus.

By the way; who loses that badly and gets to keep their job? Oh, but he did a lousy (false) demographic study and he's going to fix it.

Right. Sure. This proves it too. Dope.

Posted by: Marcus at June 24, 2013 04:09 PM (GGCsk)

84 I have a globe on my desk. In North America, I'm scratching out the legend "United States" and scrawling in its place with a red crayon the word "Chicago."

Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:10 PM (xw77v)

85 Sorry about the recent unpleasantness in your mouth....... No I'm not actually! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at June 24, 2013 04:11 PM (32Ze2)

86 So does that mean my lawn care cost will decrease in price by 3000%?

Posted by: wth at June 24, 2013 04:11 PM (wAQA5)

87 >>What I cannot understand is why the Repukes are (not so) blindly following along. Oh well. I await the Burning Time.

1. Big money Republicans want amnesty so they can get their hands on millions of cheap workers.

2. They believe it takes away a serious weapon a donk challenger would have against them next election season. Very difficult to unseat a senator, take away a wedge issue like illegals and it becomes that much harder.

Again, once elected they really don't give a shit what us great unwashed think or want. It's all about calculating their next re-election battle because the Senate could not function without their deep well of wisdom.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 24, 2013 04:11 PM (g1DWB)

88 Somebody needs to schtupp Brewer and change her perspective.

Posted by: Marcus at June 24, 2013 04:11 PM (GGCsk)

89 I think people will have to start picketing Congresspeople at their state offices and not let up.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 04:11 PM (/wToa)

90 82
So, what explains Brewer's reversal on Obamacare and Amnesty in just the past 6 months?



I've never seen a pol shift that suddenly in my entire life.




Ask the NSA.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 04:11 PM (lVPtV)

91 I wish Hewitt would play his interview after the 2010 midterms with Ryan

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Hewitt wearing kneepads for amnesty these days?

Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:12 PM (xw77v)

92 which most likely visited J Brewer? ATF, DOJ, IRS, EPA, FBI, NSA, CIA, DHS? so many choices

Posted by: NCwoof at June 24, 2013 04:12 PM (aUQgu)

93 H.L. Mencken was a great guy, but he wasn't cynical ENOUGH.

Apparently, we get it good and hard whether we voted for it or not.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 24, 2013 04:12 PM (Q9qpj)

94 Neat fact: Stephen Jay Gould was a fraud as a scientist. He faked his own research data.

But he was heralded as the next super genius Einstein because he was a hard-core Marxist.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 24, 2013 04:08 PM (ZPrif)


He knew how to dumb science down so that the dimwitted snots who read the New York Review of Books could feel all sciency when they read him. Occasionally he would write something on evolution which some of the people in the field would take great exception to and send in letters pointing out what a dumbfuck he was and how everybody that was actually doing research just laughed at his ignorant garbage.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 04:12 PM (QFqop)

95 What I cannot understand is why the Repukes are (not so) blindly following along.
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Because they LOVE being in second place--all the parties, all the perks, none of the responsibilities of governing.

Look at McConnell--gives a big speech about the Dems assault on the First. Does? Jack. Diddly. Shit.

It's the same across the board--they don't fucking want to have to DO anything.

So this bill guarantees they will never, ever have to do anything again.

You know that issue that is red line for you? The one that if the Rs give in on, you're gone? Abortion, guns, God, etc?

Yeah, a vote for this bill is the same as voting for the far left Dem position on all of that.

Because it is nothing less than a vote for the permanent Dem majority--to give them the power to do whatever the far left wants.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 24, 2013 04:12 PM (VjL9S)

96 I'll get you my pretty, and your little dog too!

Posted by: Kay Hagan at June 24, 2013 04:12 PM (Ks4nX)

97 This is why Hairy Reed wants to shove it through.



@DavidVitter

CASINO KICKBACK: Sen. Reid slips Las Vegas tourism handout into #Gof8 Immigration bill.



http://tinyurl.com/mscwhwh

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 04:13 PM (X6akg)

98 I've never seen a pol shift that suddenly in my entire life.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 24, 2013 04:09 PM (ZPrif)

Let me introduce myself....

Posted by: Charlie Crist at June 24, 2013 04:13 PM (Q9qpj)

99 What happened to Brewer? Both AZ and AK have been bought off with millions in pork in the bill. Shit that has nothing to do with immigration. Shit like money for AK fisheries.


IOW crony corruption.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 04:13 PM (lZvxr)

100 Stephen Jay Gould is one of the most famous scientists of the past 50 years -- even though he was a fraud.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 24, 2013 04:14 PM (ZPrif)

101 What amazes me is that the Repubs don't think there will be backlash...

We have had stagnant, if not diminishing Wage Earning for almost a generation... and have the least percentage of Americans in the workplace in a Generation...

yet.. they want to pass a bill which will drive down wages, and increase unemployment?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 04:14 PM (lZBBB)

102 Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:10 PM (xw77v)


United States of Chicago.
no

The Republic of Chicago
nope

Nation of Chicago.
nuh-uh

Kingdom of Chicago
*winner winner chicken dinner

Posted by: fixerupper at June 24, 2013 04:14 PM (nELVU)

103 Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Hewitt wearing kneepads for amnesty these days?

Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:12 PM (xw77v)


I haven't listened to that gasbag in well over a year. What I made reference to was the only time he ever made sense and didn't infuriate me. I could easily believe he's shilling for amnesty.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 04:15 PM (QFqop)

104 It will not be "just" a permanent Dem majority. Within 10 years of passing this bill (if it makes it through the House) the Republican Party will cease to exist.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 04:15 PM (lZvxr)

105 Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 04:12 PM (QFqop)

He was a good writer, and some of his theories were interesting.

But he fucked up "Mismeasure of Man" completely. I don't know if he faked it, or was just lazy, but he still showed himself to be a hack at best, and a cheat at worst.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 04:15 PM (WW8xK)

106 Why can't Boehnor and McConnel say, "We'll be happy to pass this bill, just as soon as we fix the economy and our high unemployment. Once Unemployment for BLACKS is under 5% then we can address immigration"

Posted by: Iblis at June 24, 2013 04:15 PM (9221z)

107 It's remarkable how the funding details of Obamacare play precisely into the hands of the amnesty crowd. What a coincidence!

Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:15 PM (xw77v)

108 @michellemalkin

"All circuits are busy." #NoAmnesty readers tell me Capitol switchboard's melted down. Direct Senate phone #s here==> http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm …

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 04:16 PM (X6akg)

109 @45 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 04:03 PM

I'd say Icelandic girls go for more "pretty" than "hot". Not as coarse as American girls. The baseline tended to be at least a 6.5-7, if only because American obesity doesn't seem to have hit there.

Posted by: Jack Nine at June 24, 2013 04:16 PM (0h8aq)

110 49
Is any Republican hinting of joining a third-party if this passes?


Yep..only, check out some of the 3rds. You talk about some geeky dysfunctional shit. Reform Party? Never heard of 'em.

Posted by: Lady Billingsgate (of the North) at June 24, 2013 04:16 PM (6ZRWo)

111 Crist was a moderate squish, though.
Brewer didn't shy away from getting in Obama's face. Until 6 months ago.

The Alaska scrunt Murscruntski was a known two-bit whore from day one. I'm convinced she takes just straight cash payments for her votes.

Brewer I thought has real principles and didn't mind fighting for them.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 24, 2013 04:16 PM (ZPrif)

112
yet.. they want to pass a bill which will drive down wages, and increase unemployment?

Yeah, but just think what will happen to the stock they can buy. You know, the ones that they have all the inside info on that we can't get.

It's either Power or Money for these animals.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 04:16 PM (0HooB)

113 Don't spend too much effort on that globe Orwell.

It's likely that 10 years from now La Raza will have gained sufficient political power to the extent that California, Nevada, Wyoming, Colorado and New Mexico will be ceded back to Mexico.

Better start learning "Por favor, prensar dos para Ingles"

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 04:16 PM (57bzg)

114 If you pull down the zipper on the back of Marco Rubio's head, inside you find Charlie Crist.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:16 PM (xw77v)

115 83 This will be the coup de grace for my Republican party membership if it passes. The family already has the forms to become Independents.


Mine too. I've been a proud Repub since I was old enough to vote. I've taken shit from my all-Dem family for decades over it. I have worked for and contributed to innumerable Repubs.

But this is it. I am done. The R's are dead to me.

I cannot and will not EVER vote for the Socialist Democratic Party, so it's Indy/Libertarian for me.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 24, 2013 04:17 PM (7ObY1)

116 @mboyle1

Cornyn EVISCERATING Harry Reid on floor right now. His tactics "not Democracy." It's a "dictatorship." #Amnesty

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 04:17 PM (X6akg)

117 95 Royal Oil,

want a true shale boom with sound money?

Guess what it is gone...Juan wants Pemex II Anglo Boogaloo

Want a freer market?

Yeah and I want to pop in your mouth ese! says Juan

Yup....the Senate showed what they want...

they want a new caucus....

I aim to give it to 'em if Boner passes this shit

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:17 PM (LRFds)

118 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 24, 2013 04:15 PM (WW8xK)


He was an engaging writer; I won't argue with that. But definitely a fraud in the Stephen Glass/Jayson Blair mold only about science.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 04:18 PM (QFqop)

119 I just called Maryland's puke Senators and gave their poor phone jockeys an earful. Maybe they'll find better work.

Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 04:18 PM (El+h4)

120 I was in Iceland for a few weeks many years ago. The parts below my waist and above my thighs wanted to stay longer.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:18 PM (xw77v)

121 101
What amazes me is that the Repubs don't think there will be backlash...



We have had stagnant, if not diminishing Wage Earning for almost a
generation... and have the least percentage of Americans in the
workplace in a Generation...



yet.. they want to pass a bill which will drive down wages, and increase unemployment?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 04:14 PM (lZBBB)

They lose the House if it passes

Posted by: Red Shirt at June 24, 2013 04:18 PM (FIDMq)

122 As a resident of Arizona, I can say with some foundation that Jan Brewer has a working IQ of about 94, give or take a few points, depending on her level of sobriety.

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 04:18 PM (yNBMs)

123 My question is, who writes these bills? They indeed may have more power than any of us can guess.Especially as these bills are drafted in secret then passed without reading them.
Posted by: HH at June 24, 2013 03:54 PM (XXwdv)


------------------------------------------------


These bills were written years ago by marxist orgainzations. It's just like Ocare. 1200-2000 page bills are not written on the spur of the moment. They've been sitting in a lefist's safe for years waiting for the prime event to unleash them.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2013 04:18 PM (ls4V8)

124 I don't imagine they will ever actually read the bill. Others however will be hauled into jail for not complying with the bill, and ignorance will NOT be an excuse.

1200 pages , what a joke.

just good enough to make a lot of folks get in trouble for non compliance. New laws for whatever else they want to shoe horn in..

oh and pork being thrown at the "correct" people.

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 04:19 PM (nqBYe)

125
Cornyn EVISCERATING Harry Reid on floor right now. His tactics "not Democracy." It's a "dictatorship." #Amnesty

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 04:17 PM (X6akg

It's on C-Span 2.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 04:19 PM (lVPtV)

126 113 Crochety Old Jarhead,

I aim to help 'em....

they want La Raza to be the newer better Americans I want to help straight ticket D then nominate the most radical Mexicans I can

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:19 PM (LRFds)

127 I own all of SJG's non-academic books. The Bully for Bontosaurus style books. Dinosaur in a Haystack, all those. I get why some people don't like him, but his original writing/research was just that, writing and research. No reason to freak out if you disagree with an approach or conclusion. The faking research stuff is news to me.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 04:19 PM (ZshNr)

128 But this is it. I am done. The R's are dead to me.



I cannot and will not EVER vote for the Socialist Democratic Party, so it's Indy/Libertarian for me.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 24, 2013 04:17 PM (7ObY1)

The R's are dead, but I will vote for any conservative I can find.

Posted by: Red Shirt at June 24, 2013 04:19 PM (FIDMq)

129 Gould outright faked data.
He committed what is supposed to be the single worst sin a scientist can commit. The one sin that can get you ex-communicated.

Yet it was James Watson -- an actual genius researcher who discovered DNA -- who got excommunicated for talking about Hate Facts.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 24, 2013 04:19 PM (ZPrif)

130 Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Hewitt wearing kneepads for amnesty these days?

Posted by: George Orwell


Depends on the hour.

He was initially ok with it because, FAIRNESS!

Then he got pissed off at the lack of fence even though he acknowledged that it's symbolic.

Now he's convinced that the Corker amdmnt is good enough.

His head's so far up his own ass he can part his hair with his tongue.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 24, 2013 04:20 PM (XS/b3)

131 If you pull down the zipper on the back of Marco Rubio's head, inside you find Charlie Crist.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:16 PM (xw77v)


I have this mental image of a bunch of Cheetos falling out.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 24, 2013 04:20 PM (QFqop)

132 The Taming of the Shrew.

A play by William Shakespeare, with a twist.

Marco Rubio is Christopher Sly who thinks he is a US Senator.

The rest is just theater induction.

Posted by: Marcus at June 24, 2013 04:20 PM (GGCsk)

133 121 Red Shirt,

It's is why I threw down the gauntlet of "plan b" as a conservative....

if the GOP hates me enough to blow the brains out of my working class siblings it is not a problem....

I hate John McCain enough to vote democrat and never vote GOP again

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:20 PM (LRFds)

134 CASINO KICKBACK: Sen. Reid slips Las Vegas tourism handout into #Gof8 Immigration bill.

Can we get Cruz to slip in an amendment that allows AtC to punch people in the face?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 24, 2013 04:20 PM (/kI1Q)

135 His head's so far up his own ass he can part his hair with his tongue.

Have you seen his hair? That's one talented tongue.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:21 PM (xw77v)

136 When is this vote happening?!?!

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 04:21 PM (X4HxX)

137
Then he got pissed off at the lack of fence even though he acknowledged that it's symbolic.


A 440 electrical line tied to it would make it non-symbolic, real quick-like.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 04:22 PM (0HooB)

138 We're being gang-banged...by the Gang of 8.

Posted by: wheatie at June 24, 2013 04:22 PM (mYbV7)

139 @123 No kidding, and what better time to simultaneously distract from Obama's torrent of scandals AND empower the Vichy RINOs in the Senate?

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at June 24, 2013 04:22 PM (Q9qpj)

140 134 CASINO KICKBACK: Sen. Reid slips Las Vegas tourism handout into #Gof8 Immigration bill.

Honestly, in the future the only way for a growing industry to get ahead in the nation below Canada is to have a politician in your back pocket. Just like every other rotten country in the history of mankind.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:22 PM (xw77v)

141 134
CASINO KICKBACK: Sen. Reid slips Las Vegas tourism handout into #Gof8 Immigration bill.

Can we get Cruz to slip in an amendment that allows AtC to punch people in the face?


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 24, 2013 04:20 PM (/kI1Q


I like this idea.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 04:22 PM (lVPtV)

142 No thanks Esteban10077.. I've spent enough time in Mexico to see what those La Raza shitbags and their ilk can do in a corrupt political system.

I don't want to spend the remainder of my life as a second class citizen in Texas, or as a Campesino in the Yucatan.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 04:23 PM (57bzg)

143 Vote for the cloture motion is at 5:30.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 04:23 PM (lVPtV)

144 This Esteban guy is sort of incoherent sometimes. I picture a guy with a red forehead typing with his fists.

Posted by: Bob the Mendicant Lion at June 24, 2013 04:24 PM (Q9qpj)

145 Seeing all of this happen while reading Charles Murray's book "Coming Apart" is one hell of a good way to become depressed.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:24 PM (xw77v)

146 The Alaska scrunt Murscruntski was a known two-bit
whore from day one. I'm convinced she takes just straight cash payments
for her votes.




Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 24, 2013 04:16 PM (ZPrif)

Nah, she's a booze hound and a coke fiend and takes her payments for votes that way. Remember the gun control vote story of her, Manchin, Kirk, etc. yukking and boozing it up in Manchin's yacht?

Posted by: LT at June 24, 2013 04:24 PM (mX6UJ)

147 Ok, just checked. My Congress critter may not be so hard after all. I forgot I got redistricted for the better last time around and no longer have lame-ar smith as my rep. So, I have that going for me. What I don't have is the rest of the country behind me anymore. That kinda sucks the big one and is a bit of an up hill battle. So yeah, I guess we're all screwed. Too bad Texas is between Mexico and the rest of the country. Maybe we can funnel them all through Arizona and California?

Posted by: lindafell at June 24, 2013 04:25 PM (PGO8C)

148 Hey GOP
Protip: if all the democrats vote yes in a bill....it not in your best interest to join them with a yes

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 24, 2013 04:25 PM (9cjF1)

149 The simpler explanation for Brewer is that's she just plain stupid. I haven't seen one interview from her where she shows she has any basic understanding of the issue she's discussing. Most of them are talking point laced incoherent ramblings. Why anyone thought she was all that is beyond me.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 24, 2013 04:25 PM (7Nq2G)

150 Got to go folks, major thunderstorm coming in.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 04:25 PM (lZvxr)

151 Alaska scrunt Murscruntski
Release the Cokebear!

Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:25 PM (xw77v)

152 Stay safe, Vic.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 04:26 PM (lVPtV)

153 Can we just start a new party? Tired of trying to 'reform' the republicans. They need to know they will lose and that we will not vote for them either.

Posted by: Frank at June 24, 2013 04:26 PM (ZJvum)

154 49Is any Republican hinting of joining a third-party if this passes?If the GOP is intent on suicide, let them have it. Posted by: RoyalOil at June 24, 2013 04:03 PM (VjL9S)The GOP may very well disintegrate over this. They'll have to change their name at the bare minimum if they want to stay relevant

Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 24, 2013 04:26 PM (5RUlF)

155 It's likely that 10 years from now La Raza will have gained sufficient political power to the extent that California, Nevada, Wyoming, Colorado and New Mexico will be ceded back to Mexico.

Better start learning "Por favor, prensar dos para Ingles"

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 04:16 PM (57bzg)

The last time that the GOP was shilling for amnesty, I wondered aloud what would happen if we gave all the border states to Mexico. Answer: the region would become just like present-day Mexico. A hellhole run by narco terrorists.

If something like that happened, we should build a fence along the new border and shoot anyone trying to come across it. ( I don't really believe that we should give them the states; was just war gaming the La Raza demands. )

But, somehow, I don't think that the amnesty shills would advocate for something like that even, since it defeats the purpose: a border less world. Also, giving in to thieves and terrorists doesn't appease them. See: Israel and Gaza.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 04:26 PM (s+Cb9)

156 Good luck Vic...

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 04:26 PM (57bzg)

157 Freedom Party

Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 24, 2013 04:27 PM (5RUlF)

158 Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 24, 2013 04:27 PM (5J7wU)

159 142 Crotchety Old Jarhead,

I've lived in El Paso and been in "Paradise" as the fuckhead Senate must think it...

we're gonna lose thanks to the amigos...

even if the GOP survives they just diluted our influence and gave the mules "easy mode" nationally....

no drastic times call for drastic measures...

speed up the end game

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:27 PM (LRFds)

160 Why not just annex Mexico?

Posted by: sTevo at June 24, 2013 04:28 PM (KloM9)

161 It's likely that 10 years from now La Raza will have gained sufficient political power to the extent that California, Nevada, Wyoming, Colorado and New Mexico will be ceded back to Mexico.

While it will be a shame to lose Wyoming......really, other than that, I don't see a downside to this. In fact....deal!

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 24, 2013 04:28 PM (OWjjx)

162 let it burn

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at June 24, 2013 04:28 PM (8JJ6O)

163 158
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 24, 2013 04:27 PM (5J7wU)
Unless you are voting on it.

Posted by: Bob the Mendicant Lion at June 24, 2013 04:28 PM (Q9qpj)

164
If all of these legal-but-not-legal immigrants are allowed to stay here but not required to purchase Obamacare (since they're not "legally" US citizens), just WHO is going to be paying for their health care?

'Cuz you KNOW they are just going to continue using American ERs like they are a doctor's office, and those ERs cannot - BY LAW - turn anyone away, regardless of their ability to pay.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 24, 2013 04:28 PM (ADnWI)

165 Is a filibuster possible to kill this piece of shit? Anyone who led it would be a hero to conservatives.

Posted by: L, elle at June 24, 2013 04:28 PM (0PiQ4)

166 Boned!

Posted by: Andy at June 24, 2013 04:28 PM (3pt3d)

167 The law is an ass

Posted by: Red Shirt at June 24, 2013 04:29 PM (FIDMq)

168 Mexico's government is what the U.S. government will degenerate to when amnesty is passed and Obamacare kicks in. The only difference is that the U.S. iteration will be better equipped to suppress it's detractors.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 04:29 PM (57bzg)

169 166 Boned!

Gang Banged!

Posted by: wheatie at June 24, 2013 04:30 PM (mYbV7)

170 I have confidence the GOP-controlled House will just never get around to managing to bring any of this amnesty crap to a vote.

Why is everybody laughing?

Posted by: Bob the Mendicant Lion at June 24, 2013 04:30 PM (Q9qpj)

171 165 elle,

No the gangbang del Ocho's 4 plus leaners mean no filibuster...

it's okay the senate has shown me their position...

time to show the GOP mine if the house passes this.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:30 PM (LRFds)

172 Those Obama dossiers are many - and full of dirt. Why don't these guys just get together, call this idiot's bluff, and tell the American people how they are being blackmailed?
Posted by: Marybeth at June 24, 2013 04:09 PM (Ks0w4)


--------------------------------------------


Because, unfortunately, the US has a class of people called "professional politicians". They're vain and ambitious. Nothing, not even the good of the country, will get in the way of what they think is their ultimate goal.

That's why threats of discovery of their personal lives work so well. The idea of a government made up by citizens has been gone for generations.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2013 04:30 PM (ls4V8)

173 If all of these legal-but-not-legal immigrants are allowed to stay here but not required to purchase Obamacare (since they're not "legally" US citizens), just WHO is going to be paying for their health care?

'Cuz you KNOW they are just going to continue using American ERs like they are a doctor's office, and those ERs cannot - BY LAW - turn anyone away, regardless of their ability to pay.


Obi Won Rubio never told you that who would be paying for it?

You will be paying for it.

You know the answer.....search your feelings....you know it to be true.

Posted by: Darth Mallamutt at June 24, 2013 04:30 PM (OWjjx)

174 170 Bob the Mega Lion,

Bob nobody's laughing......that may well be why I am typing with my fists.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:31 PM (LRFds)

175 Why not just annex Mexico?

Posted by: sTevo at June 24, 2013 04:28 PM (KloM9)


Agreed!

Posted by: Winfield Scott at June 24, 2013 04:31 PM (XvHmy)

176 Boned!


As Paula Deen.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 04:31 PM (CRyse)

177 Actually, I am sort of serious about the House, though one wonders if that changes once they are the focus of attention.

They all do have stand for re-election in less than 18 months.

Posted by: Bob the Mendicant Lion at June 24, 2013 04:31 PM (Q9qpj)

178 They pass laws, and we suffer for it. And also pay for it.

Posted by: Jack Nine at June 24, 2013 04:32 PM (nsg2T)

179 162 PhxGrl,

Ma'am lay out kindling if they pass this.

Plan B....

Plan B

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:32 PM (LRFds)

180 I don't understand why GOP senators favoring amnesty aren't stressing its most attractive aspect: cheap labor. That's right, bitches: sweet, sweet cheap labor. You little people who work by the hour in construction, hotel or service, or manufacturing? Sorry about that but hey, you know: eggs, omelets.

I'm so disgusted I can't see straight. Now would be an opportune time to reach out to lower middle class working people who pay taxes. Get this: the Democratic Party is no longer the working man or woman's party. The Democrats are now the party of the Free Shit Army. As a result, we've got a sizeable bloc of voters just waiting for a sign from the Republican Party that we give a damn. All we need to do is reach out, convince them that we're all about hardworking people who pay taxes. But no, instead we get amnesty sellouts, some of whom have convinced themselves that immigrant Hispanics are natural Republicans while others have been bought by big donors with a vested interest in establishing and maintaining 3rd world labor costs.

Posted by: troyriser at June 24, 2013 04:32 PM (vtiE6)

181 [Hugh Hewitt's] head's so far up his own ass he can part his hair with his tongue.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 24, 2013 04:20 PM (XS/b3)

He is an elitist. He knows better than the rabble...on everything.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 04:32 PM (s+Cb9)

182 171 Esteban,

I think she meant (or at least my similar question) is can there be a real filibuster - not this gentleman's agreement BS.

Posted by: LT at June 24, 2013 04:32 PM (mX6UJ)

183 Fast forward to 2015:

The GOP minority leaders in the House and Senate have agreed in principle to mandatory conversion of all retirement accounts into guaranteed government pensions provided the Democrats insert an amendment promising to distribute pension monies prior to each citizens' death.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:32 PM (xw77v)

184 Soon, you will see the full power of this fully functional Amnesty Death Star.

I would suggest you learn Spanish if you ever plan to purchase anything in America again.

Posted by: Darth Mallamutt at June 24, 2013 04:33 PM (OWjjx)

185 This Bill discriminates against all the law-abiding people in the country.

It discriminates against all the people who have been convicted of breaking a Law.

It singles out, and gives Amnesty to, a particular group of law-breakers.
This is discrimination.

Posted by: wheatie at June 24, 2013 04:33 PM (mYbV7)

186 Well, dearest Esteban, that hasn't happened yet, so perhaps you should turn the dial back down from 11 until it does.

Posted by: Bob the Mendicant Lion at June 24, 2013 04:33 PM (Q9qpj)

187 180 Troyriser,

Plan B troy

It's the answer if the GOP wants to hurt the American worker it is time for the American worker to hurt the GOP.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:33 PM (LRFds)

188 Now would be an opportune time to reach out to lower middle class working people who pay taxes. Get this: the Democratic Party is no longer the working man or woman's party.

And their response would be, "Is my government check on time? Well, then, fuck you! I love 'Bammy and the Desperados!"

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 04:34 PM (yNBMs)

189 186 Bob Mega nLion,

Well Bob my dear Feline Majurus it is about to happen and this is not 11.

maybe 8.75....

I sorta saw this coming last year after we lost.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:34 PM (LRFds)

190 A MONKEY WRENCH FOR McCARTHY:

If Gina McCarthy didn’t already have a target on her back, she does now. The president’s climate change speech only intensifies the already-complicated politics surrounding her confirmation to become EPA administrator. “It absolutely paints a bigger target on her back,” one oil industry lobbyist told POLITICO. “It was 50-50 she was getting across the finish line without Tuesday’s speech. My read now is that the White House is willing to kiss her goodbye with this upcoming announcement. What political harm would accrue to a coal state senator putting a permanent hold on her?”

The EPA may never have another Senate-confirmed administrator under Obama.

Posted by: Felix Cane at June 24, 2013 04:35 PM (e8kgV)

191 Posted by: wheatie at June 24, 2013 04:33 PM (mYbV7)

Equal application of the Law??? That was soooo last Milenium....

Posted by: Eric Holder at June 24, 2013 04:35 PM (lZBBB)

192 CASINO KICKBACK: Sen. Reid slips Las Vegas tourism handout into #Gof8 Immigration bill.

Maybe he should tell Obama to reverse his badmouthing of businesses holding meetings in Vegas then.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 24, 2013 04:36 PM (B/VB5)

193 But calm down people. We must help Reince meet his fundraising goals this month.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 24, 2013 04:36 PM (l3vZN)

194 193 But calm down people. We must help Reince meet his fundraising goals this month.


But for which party?

Posted by: George Orwell what knows truth is ignorance at June 24, 2013 04:37 PM (xw77v)

195 Sorry, Sven...but your 'Plan B' seems like a suicide pact to me.

Posted by: wheatie at June 24, 2013 04:37 PM (mYbV7)

196 If this bill passes maybe Snowden will come out of the shadows and save our government from the shame of its ridiculous diplomatic assclowning.

Posted by: Fritz at June 24, 2013 04:38 PM (G9Mmf)

197 182 LT,

No the rules are the same for both....

if the votes are there for cloture and by God look at the cloture vote the odds are it is a fait accompli...

it is why I was so hyper...

game over.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:38 PM (LRFds)

198 As I was typing that snarky comment I received ANOTHER e mail from the RNC.... No lie!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 24, 2013 04:38 PM (l3vZN)

199 The EPA may never have another Senate-confirmed administrator under Obama.


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Que sara sara,

Why do you think he has so goddamned many czars.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 24, 2013 04:38 PM (nELVU)

200 The power of RINO engineering ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnXz_qZ5REfeature=plcp

Posted by: Katherine Harris at June 24, 2013 04:38 PM (e8kgV)

201 Sorry to go O/T, but OMG, Ann Coulter is on Howie Carr and her love for Chris Krispie hasn't diminished.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 24, 2013 04:38 PM (r+7wo)

202 195 wheatie,

the GOP will stay the course if we just sit out...

the donks will overreact if empowered and the people will either recoil or they won't...time to get the cards on the table...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:39 PM (LRFds)

203
Cornyn's office says that he will be voting against the AMENDMENT.

Yes sir, but more importantly, will you be voting against CLOTURE?????

Because if you vote for cloture, your vote against the amendment doesn't really mean much now, does it?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at June 24, 2013 04:39 PM (ADnWI)

204 My universe is very fucked up when I find myself agreeing more with Glen Greenwald than most Republican senators...Greenwald recently said this, and he is 100% correct:

M]ost of it is what I have long criticized them for most: they are far more servants to political power than adversarial watchdogs over it, and what provokes their rage most is not corruption on the part of those in power (they don’t care about that) but rather those who expose that corruption, especially when the ones bringing transparency are outside of, even hostile to, their incestuous media circles.

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 04:40 PM (yNBMs)

205 And their response would be, "Is my government check on time? Well, then, fuck you! I love 'Bammy and the Desperados!"
Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 04:34 PM (yNBMs)

What government check? I'm talking about people who work with their hands for a living, the ones in the industries I mentioned who'll feel the greatest and most immediateimpact oncea substantial number of those 11+ million illegal immigrants 'go live' in the labor force.

If the Republican Party assumed a more populist approach, it could make major inroads into traditionally Democratic voting working people. That doesn't mean we need to go Left. What it means is that we stop catering to those GOP Establishment big money donors who could give a damn about the future of the country. We define ourselves in the immediate future as the ones who pay taxes who are opposed to those that don't. A makers/takers argument could win.

Posted by: troyriser at June 24, 2013 04:42 PM (vtiE6)

206 Hey, it's all better now. Corker has just announced that the Amendment only LOOKS long because they used a large font for all the senior Senate folk.

I'm thinking he's just come up with a bs excuse that should piss off a large number of his fellow senators. Do any of these folk possess rational, operative brains?

(It's at Twitchy)

Posted by: Ragamuffin at June 24, 2013 04:42 PM (fzFF6)

207 202>> What if instead of recoiling or sitting idly by, the people lashed out?

What then amigo?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 04:43 PM (57bzg)

208 How many of your states have recall provisions?

Most people forget that the gun control freakery in California stalled (in a bad place mind you) for almost 20 years after we recalled one of the key politicians and sent their ass packing.

Their first principle is power, and they are willing to abandon their hobby of abusing us (temporarily, at least) if their access to power is threatened.

Personally I think we should recall a weak one now and then to keep ourselves supple.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 24, 2013 04:43 PM (qyfb5)

209 One other thing that I haven't seen discussed yet. Amnesty, as it's written now, will only bring more Americans to the unemployment line. Which means more Americans on the public dole. Which further means more people becoming dependent on the government.

So not only will the dems have the illegal vote, they'll also have the votes of the newly dependent unemployed. It won't take much to tip the scales to over 50% of the US on government handouts.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2013 04:43 PM (ls4V8)

210 Who's promising Jan a seat on the ticket?

Posted by: caustic at June 24, 2013 04:44 PM (/b8+5)

211 troyriser: I want to agree with you but am losing / have lost faith that there are enough "people who work with their hands for a living" to make a difference.

Most of those people are too damn busy just trying to eke out an existence while keeping Johnny out of jail and transporting Amy to the abortion clinic to pay attention.

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 04:45 PM (yNBMs)

212 These senators are too nice to each other. I wanna see some Taiwanese like sessions. C'mon, start throwing some chairs and punches.

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 04:45 PM (X6akg)

213 Eric Cantor is talking to maria now.

Posted by: caustic at June 24, 2013 04:46 PM (/b8+5)

214 It's not an amendment, it's a tax. Duh.

Posted by: Justice John Roberts at June 24, 2013 04:47 PM (xw77v)

215 Now that the GOP is about to become the same kind of race-based, "principles don't mean much where social justice is concerned" party as the Democrats, I see really big things for the Republican's unique offerings of writing sweet deals for corporate friends, trying to get everybody to live by the Book of Leviticus, and John McCain wanting to invade another Arab country every five minutes. Really big things.

Posted by: T. at June 24, 2013 04:47 PM (Ccyem)

216 Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2013 04:43 PM (ls4V

Add in that the COURTS have said if you are here, even illegally, you get benefits.

Sooo... just how will they NOT get benefits?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 04:47 PM (lZBBB)

217 OOOOO next fun bill they'll have to pass to find out what's in it, tax reform.

What else can they totally mess up?

Posted by: caustic at June 24, 2013 04:47 PM (/b8+5)

218 O/T: Madonna says "Guns don't kill people. People kill people". I don't think she'll be joining the NRA though.

Link to WZ in my name.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 24, 2013 04:48 PM (B/VB5)

219 No the rules are the same for both....if the votes are there for cloture and by God look at the cloture vote the odds are it is a fait accompli...it is why I was so hyper...game over.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:38 PM (LRFds)


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Actually, the game was over when the House refused to defund anything concerning Ocare. What we're seeing is just the resultant cascade.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2013 04:49 PM (ls4V8)

220 Done deal in the Senate....

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at June 24, 2013 04:50 PM (9+ccr)

221 "Most of those people (working with their hands) are too damn busy just trying to eke out an existence while keeping Johnny out of jail and transporting Amy to the abortion clinic to pay attention."

Oh BS.....

Most of those people (working with their hands) are too damn busy just trying to eke out an existence while paying off their student loans, or paying for groceries, rent and other necessities after the Unions have taken their mordida out.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 04:50 PM (57bzg)

222 And speaking of ACA, my insurance rates were supposed to go through the roof in a week.

Today I just got a letter from the provider. Now my plan no longer exists.

I should be able to make it in the world. If I do, I will be abandoning ship as fast as the political class already abandoned it on me.

Posted by: T. at June 24, 2013 04:50 PM (Ccyem)

223
Why don't we just skip this crap and annex Mexico?

At least we'll have a shorter southern border to build a fence on.

Posted by: Minuteman at June 24, 2013 04:50 PM (lFfmN)

224 My tin hat is becoming a complete tin suit.... interesting how Rubio/Brewer/CJ Roberts/ all seem to be having changes of the heart. How deep and how wide is computer tapping/phone tapping etc? Absolutely nothing would surprise me about this administration anymore. Rotten to the very core.

Posted by: dixiegal at June 24, 2013 04:50 PM (d8l76)

225 215 Now that the GOP is about to become the same kind of race-based, "principles don't mean much where social justice is concerned" party as the Democrats, I see really big things for the Republican's unique offerings of writing sweet deals for corporate friends, trying to get everybody to live by the Book of Leviticus, and John McCain wanting to invade another Arab country every five minutes. Really big things.
Posted by: T. at June 24, 2013 04:47 PM (Ccyem)

Most people who aren't religious illiterates know that the laws in Leviticus were specifically for the people to which they were given.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 04:50 PM (s+Cb9)

226 215 T,

The Republican party just forced me to play race based tribal games if they pass this.

I never wanted this.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:51 PM (LRFds)

227 So where is the the new hill to die on? It seems the GOP members of the Senate are about to concede this one.

Posted by: Ron Jeremy at June 24, 2013 04:51 PM (pZvnd)

228 Jesus, listening to Coburn list some of the crap in this bill is depressing.

For example, there is an entry/exit visa program. However, people entering or leaving through a land port (Mexico) which is 80% of the illegals now here, are exempted.

This isn't anything but straight up amnesty. Stop insulting us pretending there is any sort of border enforcement. There isn't.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 24, 2013 04:51 PM (g1DWB)

229 / off pron sock

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 24, 2013 04:52 PM (pZvnd)

230 219 Soona,

Yup...every bill will now be "a needed omnibus you have TO PASS to read!"

OH LOOK it ONLY costs eleventy kajillion bucks....

Fuck this....

Let it burn

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:52 PM (LRFds)

231 Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 04:40 PM (yNBMs)

Greenwald is only saying that about his treasonous informant and maybe Bradley Manning. Where is his investigation into the whistleblowers regard to liberal indiscretions? Where was he when Obama dismissed the AG who exposed fraud and kickbacks?

Posted by: polynikes at June 24, 2013 04:52 PM (m2CN7)

232 So what does motivate Rubio to commit political suicide for the benefit and glory of Harry Reid?

Rumors of homosexuality made the rounds several years ago, or has he been titillated by the DC cocktail circuit?

What he is doing makes no sense at all unless he's protecting a secret or playing for a future appointment. Given what SCOAMF's spys have on all of us, can we ever again NOT question the apparent motivations of our "elected representatives"?

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 04:52 PM (yNBMs)

233 So where is the the new hill to die on?

Silly. Everyone knows you never die on The Hill, you just become a lobbyist.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows freedom is slavery at June 24, 2013 04:53 PM (xw77v)

234 Absolutely nothing would surprise me about this administration anymore. Rotten to the very core.



Posted by: dixiegal at June 24, 2013 04:50 PM (d8l76)

Meh, these assholes have been selling us out before this administration was around. Ruling class vs the little people

Posted by: Red Shirt at June 24, 2013 04:53 PM (FIDMq)

235 Most of those people are too damn busy just trying to eke out an existence while keeping Johnny out of jail and transporting Amy to the abortion clinic to pay attention.
Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 04:45 PM (yNBMs)

I come from such people, those traditional stalwarts of the Democratic Party who constitute what one could call the lower-lower middle class, the blacks and whites working sometimes more than one job and 50+ hours a week, the ones whose sons and daughters comprise the bulk of our military. The level of resentment directed at the Democrats in general and at Obama specifically is frickin' ginormous. A smart GOP would leverage that resentment, as opposed to passing nation-destroying amnesty legislation in order to cater to big money donors.

Posted by: troyriser at June 24, 2013 04:54 PM (vtiE6)

236 228 Jack. This is not amnesty.

* hands him Rubio glasses *

Here, try these. See? Looks different through these.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 24, 2013 04:54 PM (pZvnd)

237 Silly. Everyone knows you never die on The Hill, you just become a lobbyist.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows freedom is slavery at June 24, 2013 04:53 PM (xw77v)

and never seem to leave poor either.

Posted by: Red Shirt at June 24, 2013 04:54 PM (FIDMq)

238 202 195 wheatie,
the GOP will stay the course if we just sit out...
the donks will overreact if empowered and the people will either recoil or they won't...time to get the cards on the table...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 04:39 PM (LRFds)

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So, change your registration to Independent, as a protest statement.
Both parties pander to the I's already.

What you're advocating with your Plan B is a suicide pact, Sven.

Increasing the D-registrations would be misreported as "See! People agree with what we're doing! We have a super majority behind us!"

Sorry, Sven.
I intend to keep fighting them, thank you very much.

Posted by: wheatie at June 24, 2013 04:54 PM (mYbV7)

239 Yeah, I don't see too much concern in certain communities about the unemployment rate. Telign them you want to put them back to work is anathema.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 24, 2013 04:55 PM (YmPwQ)

240 troyriser: I pray with all my being that you are correct....It's going to take a number of years for the hard working lower middle class to experience and understand what this amnesty has done to their prospects and by then, it may well be too late.

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 04:56 PM (yNBMs)

241 Jeebus, that idiot Jehmu Whatshername is on with Stewart Varney, "Yeah, there's a lot of pork in the bill but...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 04:56 PM (lVPtV)

242 To those wondering what's going on with certain Republicans, I have to agree with bluestaterebel - data mining.

This is how the Demos get stuff through from now on.

At least until there's another Snowden.

Last year this time, Brewer was kicking Choom's ass (remember the photo on the tarmac?), now she's kissing it.

No other explanation.

And, yes, it was the stock in trade of (Godwin Alert) before something caught fire.

Posted by: formwiz at June 24, 2013 04:59 PM (Kv1kb)

243 The government really is turning us into a nation of immigrants. Not Americans, but just immigrants.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2013 04:59 PM (ls4V8)

244 238 Wheatie,

You need to break the GOP's back so it can't stop whatever comes next...3d parties have always handed power to the left wing Wheatie.

I spoke on Plan B last winter if you'll recall in 2011 without elaborating beyond "infiltrate" Truman North and I discussed it.

Sitting out and throwaway votes on 3d party guys who will be coopted by party 1 or party 2 of the Leftwing alliance up there won't get her done.

Of course the democrats will use Plan B to justify their antics...

it requires them to.

I know people won't do the onerous act we pray the blacks and union boys would do and cross over....

it is why we're fucked

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 05:00 PM (LRFds)

245 Given what SCOAMF's spys have on all of us, can we ever again NOT question the apparent motivations of our "elected representatives"?
Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 04:52 PM (yNBMs)

Some GOP politicians have been co-opted, corrupted and blackmailed, without doubt. We should give GOP politicians a handbook that tells them what to do if someone attempts blackmail. The handbook would consist of one page with a few simple instructions:

1. ARRANGE A TELEVISED PRESS CONFERENCE.

2. OWN (fill in blank) PUBLICLY.

3. EXTEND MIDDLE FINGER.

4. MOVE ON.

Unless a given Republican candidate is a child molester, embezzleror a serial killer, I don't care. Everyone has secrets. You can't be compromised if you're willing to make those secrets public.

Posted by: troyriser at June 24, 2013 05:03 PM (vtiE6)

246 To those wondering what's going on with certain Republicans, I have to agree with bluestaterebel - data mining. This is how the Demos get stuff through from now on. At least until there's another Snowden. Last year this time, Brewer was kicking Choom's ass (remember the photo on the tarmac?), now she's kissing it. No other explanation. And, yes, it was the stock in trade of (Godwin Alert) before something caught fire.
Posted by: formwiz at June 24, 2013 04:59 PM (Kv1kb)


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And this is the problem all of us face in these times. Who wants to make the sacrifices needed for the good of the country? Who?

There's going to have to be some soul-searching and some hard decisions made by all of us before we can start getting our country back to something resembling a Constitutional republic.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2013 05:04 PM (ls4V8)

247 Not that there is one jot of the bill before the Senate that is acceptable - but isn't it obvious fluency in English should be a condition of citizenship for any immigrant. Not language classes, demonstrated fluency. There's your fence to voting and entitlements.

Posted by: sarahw at June 24, 2013 05:12 PM (LYwCh)

248 The R senators are blackmailed? I could buy one or two getting picked off here or there but not the whole quivering lot.

It just seems like madness. What do they expect with this vote? What the heck are they trying to do?


Posted by: sarahw at June 24, 2013 05:14 PM (LYwCh)

249 I Schumer going to talk until it's time to vote?

Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2013 05:15 PM (X6akg)

250 Someone needs to pull the fire alarm and evacuate the capital bldg. Repeatedly.

Posted by: losthusker at June 24, 2013 05:16 PM (WH7ye)

251 Or put the printout of the bill in a trashcan and actually set it on fire. It being the bill and not the capital bldg.

Posted by: losthusker at June 24, 2013 05:18 PM (WH7ye)

252 So if the Repubs are caving because the evil forces have dirt on them, in the end, their fate is the same. Going along with the putrid commies, er, Democrats because they've got something on you and if it got out, you'd be toast? Vote against the majority of the citizens and completely ignore their wishes and get voted OUT anyway.

Posted by: Lady in Black (Burn, Salt, Scatter.....it's the new, improved SMOD) at June 24, 2013 05:21 PM (ovWeo)

253 I lit up Cornyn on the phone about an hour ago and the email follow up is probably still throwing off sparks. Cruz, I'm not worried about. I am so pissed off I'm about to go waste a bunch of rounds on innocent stumps. What the fuck happened to my country? Only twenty years ago these fuckheads would have never dared to pull this shit.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at June 24, 2013 05:27 PM (/EjIK)

254 creeps voting now re cloture

Posted by: NCwoof at June 24, 2013 05:36 PM (aUQgu)

255 You listened to Dennis Prager the other day too?

Posted by: KingShamus at June 24, 2013 05:38 PM (H4fpw)

256 Illegal immigrants who commit crimes face lesser punishment than U.S. citizens

Posted by: Bob Bilner at June 24, 2013 05:38 PM (iVRW7)

257 Nothing logical can explain this bill. Nothing. Illegals will have more rights than us, and get a REFUNDABLE TAX CREDIT when they 'pay their fine'.. thats one part that everyone is overlooking. They won't pay anything.. they will get a REFUND!

If America will be saved, it'll need to occur soon. Whatever that may entail. WE ARE DONE.

The people 'we' voted into power are now our worst enemies. How in the name of the risen christ did this happen? We now live in an absolute tyrannical state. We are all illegal aliens now. If I get pulled over by the stasi for a ticket, i'll claim illegal status.

Posted by: Bob Bilner at June 24, 2013 05:43 PM (iVRW7)

258 I posted this over on HA:

More info on this “wonderful” bill on immigration per Lou Dobbs.…the 20,000 extra border patrol agents which are to be hired according to this bill…….won’t be hired until 2017!!. Great./

And, Lou says that “experts” say it may take up to 5 (five) years to
hire all of them. And, that the powers-that-be can call it off IF the
$$ are deemed to be better spent elsewhere.

In the meanwhile, the “path’ to amnesty will begin on……..DAY ONE of the passage of this bill.

And, that the powers-that-be can call it off IF the $$ are deemed to be better spent elsewhere……just like the 700 miles of border fence that was mandated to be built in 2006……

The fact that the government has built only 32 miles of double-layer
fencing — out of the 700 miles that Congress mandated in 2006 — is
partly the result of an amendment that Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
(R-Texas) slipped into an omnibus appropriations bill enacted in
December 2007.




(I”m so glad that Kay Bailey is gone, I could spit.)

Posted by: avagreen at June 24, 2013 08:08 PM (hYioF)

259 248
The R senators are blackmailed? I could buy one or two getting picked off here or there but not the whole quivering lot.

It just seems like madness. What do they expect with this vote? What the heck are they trying to do?
+++++++++++
It only takes a few (6-to cross over......and, yes, they probably have skeletons in the closet (literally), if you get the drift.

Posted by: avagreen at June 24, 2013 08:20 PM (hYioF)

260 Any of these Senators can just say, "Read it", and then they have to read it out loud.

So I call BS.

Posted by: Kevin at June 25, 2013 09:13 PM (egN29)






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