Arizona's Voter Registration Proof Of Citizenship Requirement Thrown Out By Supreme Court

This wasn't part of the illegal immigration enforcement bills from a few years back but rather a voter imitative law put in place in 2004.

The Supreme Court ruled Monday that states cannot require would-be voters to prove they are U.S. citizens before using a federal registration system designed to make signing up easier.

The justices voted 7-2 to throw out Arizona's voter-approved requirement that prospective voters document their U.S. citizenship in order to use a registration form produced under the federal "Motor Voter" voter registration law.

Federal law "precludes Arizona from requiring a federal form applicant to submit information beyond that required by the form itself," Justice Antonia Scalia wrote for the court's majority.

It's a fairly straight forward preemption issue. The federal government has mandated a use of a specific registration* form through the Motor Voter Act and the court is simply saying that states can't add qualifications to it.

What the Court didn't seem to say is that such a requirement would be unconstitutional. So, it's time to press House and Senate candidates to add this to the federal form. Ideally, they'd repeal Motor Voter all together but that's not going to happen so fixing this oversight is probably the best we can hope for. Of course, that's likely a bridge too far.


*Apparently some people are confusing proof of citizenship at the time of registration with being able to vote. Just to be clear, SCOTUS didn't find a right to vote for non-citizens or say states couldn't stop non-citizens from voting.

That's why I said this was more a simple preemption case than an earth shattering voting rights case. Still, I think it's something states should be allowed to do and with political will it's a simple fix.

(I added "Registration" to the title to help avoid confusion)

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:26 AM



Comments

1 Oneth?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 17, 2013 11:27 AM (0HooB)

2 *stumbles in*


Shoot. Me.


Uggghhh.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 17, 2013 11:28 AM (GEICT)

3 Its bullshit is what it is. Preemption is also bullshit.

Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 11:29 AM (lZvxr)

4 Fix it?

Not going to happen.

Posted by: EC at June 17, 2013 11:29 AM (GQ8sn)

5 What the Court didn't seem to say is that such a requirement would be unconstitutional. So, it's time to press House and Senate candidates to add this to the federal form. Ideally, they'd repeal Motor Voter all together but that's not going to happen so fixing this oversight is probably the best we can hope for. Of course, that's likely a bridge too far.

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Problem being that the chances of making such a change anytime soon are slim and none.

And Slim will be on the way out of town if amnesty passes.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 17, 2013 11:29 AM (a3iAA)

6
I guess I see the logic of this ruling, but I have no hope that any resolution is possible in this political climate.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2013 11:29 AM (TOk1P)

7 Shoot. Me.



*closes one eye and aims crossbow*

Posted by: EC at June 17, 2013 11:30 AM (GQ8sn)

8 As I said in the other thread, if Obama can thumb his nose at the courts so can Jan Brewer. Jan should tell them to piss up a rope we here in AZ will do what we want.

Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 11:30 AM (lZvxr)

9 Bean Rupublic.

Posted by: nip at June 17, 2013 11:30 AM (lGVXf)

10 Ahh yes. Time to register in Arizona as well as Chicago and Florida.

Posted by: Huge Chavez's Ghost at June 17, 2013 11:30 AM (fFpLz)

11 Want to put a real boot in the crimigration bill? Add a voter ID amendment.

Posted by: Invictus at June 17, 2013 11:30 AM (OQpzc)

12 Even the UN inspectors laughed at the premise of elections without photo ID.

And conservatives, egged on by "the Right Media" fought their presence tooth and nail.

Posted by: akula_51 at June 17, 2013 11:31 AM (Vgn84)

13 As much as I dislike this ruling, in addition to the pre-emption issue there is also the determination issue as implied in the 14th Amendment. We can only hope that a few Republicans still have some sense left and can persuade other to join them and make the necessary changes to the federal registration laws. I don't have much hope of that as even former conservatiives such as Marco Rubio seemed to have gone over to the dark side now.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at June 17, 2013 11:31 AM (Eq2MX)

14 As I recall Motor Voter was passed by a "compromise" in which the Republicans were supposed to get a cleaning of the voter rolls every 4 years.


Since that has never happened motor voter should be declared null and void by the States, not the inept and shitty congress,

Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 11:32 AM (lZvxr)

15 I use to have a lot of respect for Paul Ryan plus he is from my home state but no more. He can kiss my ass. FYLiB

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at June 17, 2013 11:32 AM (HVff2)

16 The Supreme Court: defender of voter fraud.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 17, 2013 11:32 AM (5tpzF)

17 Not really too upset. The time to save the country was in Nov.

Embrace the suck.

Posted by: nip at June 17, 2013 11:32 AM (lGVXf)

18 As I recall Motor Voter was passed by a "compromise" in which the Republicans were supposed to get a cleaning of the voter rolls every 4 years.

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Unfortunately, "compromise" means "We get what we want, you take it up the ass".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 17, 2013 11:32 AM (a3iAA)

19 And the kicks just keep on coming.

Posted by: America's Nutsack at June 17, 2013 11:33 AM (YmPwQ)

20 Fuck this!

In a sane world, Arizona should just enforce the law anyway and let La Raza and the other treasonous bastards take us to court after.

This is standard operating procedure for SCOAMF: catch me if you can. About time we made them play by these rules.

Thankfully, we have a real Constitutional champ like Jan Brewer to make it happen...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2013 11:33 AM (+98Gb)

21 And oneth is a good one Backwards Boy

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at June 17, 2013 11:33 AM (HVff2)

22 Jan was my least favorite Brady.

Posted by: nip at June 17, 2013 11:33 AM (lGVXf)

23 Lovely. Because we all know illegals wouldn't lie on any forms they filled out.

Posted by: Infidel at June 17, 2013 11:35 AM (O/fK8)

24 Federal law "precludes Arizona from requiring a federal form applicant to submit information beyond that required by the form itself," Justice Antonia Scalia wrote for the court's majority.


Super quick not at all thought through thought but hey can't the Tea Party groups smack the IRS in the mouth with this argument? Content of our prayers? Not on the form. Donor list? Not on the form.

Posted by: alexthechick - Mmmm. Blondes with whipped cream. at June 17, 2013 11:37 AM (VtjlW)

25 Jan was my least favorite Brady.Posted by: nip at June 17, 2013 11:33 AM (lGVXf)I like you.

Posted by: Cousin Oliver at June 17, 2013 11:37 AM (4Lbfn)

26
This makes a great case for immigration reform.

"Legalize" those that are here by getting all of their information, where they're from, where they work and live, fingerprints, DNA, everything. Put them on the long, slow path to citizenship.

Make it crystal clear that if they are caught registering to vote or voting, they will be immediately deported. Same with any criminal activity. No appeal, no years worth of legal wrangling, just a quick and and permanent deportation.

They would have to be really motivated to try voting with that sort of penalty.

Posted by: jwest at June 17, 2013 11:37 AM (u2a4R)

27 we don't fix broken things.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 17, 2013 11:37 AM (8JJ6O)

28 Jan was my least favorite Brady.

Bobby kinda sucked too.

Posted by: eleven at June 17, 2013 11:38 AM (KXm42)

29 Didn't the Motor Voter law preempt the State's rights first? (and the VRA)

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2013 11:39 AM (jPtkn)

30
Bobby kinda sucked too.



That's hot.

Posted by: Harry Reid at June 17, 2013 11:39 AM (4Lbfn)

31 The Supreme Court: defender of voter fraud.

Just remember. Ed Snowden is a traitor and the government is looking out for our rights. Seriously, guys.

Posted by: Methos at June 17, 2013 11:39 AM (hO9ad)

32 Arizona should do it anyway or at least until the NLRB is disbanded. Why should only one side be bound by court rulings? Fuck this shit.

Posted by: Captain Hate at June 17, 2013 11:39 AM (0qYx9)

33 "can't the Tea Party groups smack the IRS in the mouth with this argument?"

HaHa, you think those rules that apply to us, apply to them, hahahahahah

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2013 11:40 AM (jPtkn)

34 Fuck this place. Costa Rica here I come.
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 17, 2013 11:40 AM (wbmaj)

We could form up down there, get some real military weapons and attack and conquer Mexico from the south.

I like it.

Posted by: Invictus at June 17, 2013 11:41 AM (OQpzc)

35 Rules are for people who follow rules.

Apparently.

Posted by: eleven at June 17, 2013 11:42 AM (KXm42)

36 If the Supreme Court actually served any useful purpose, the Motor Voter law would be thrown out.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 17, 2013 11:42 AM (eEfYn)

37 22 Jan was my least favorite Brady.
Posted by: nip at June 17, 2013 11:33 AM (lGVXf)


"Dawn: Portrait of a Teenage Runaway."

'nuff said. UGH!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2013 11:42 AM (+98Gb)

38
And oneth is a good one Backwards Boy

It keeps Pixy's hamsters on their little toes.

About this immigration thing, I'm still wondering why certain politicians are so intent upon allowing us to be invaded. I mean, I know why, it's so they can keep and hold power. But they're doing so against the will of the country, and they somehow, magically, keep getting reelected.

And on the Motor Voter bill, I seethe when I recall seeing both Cloward and Piven in the line behind Billy Jeff Cliton when he signed it, cheering it and him on.

What should be done for the best interests of the country isn't even talked about anymore. It's almost like we're not a sovereign nation with control over our government.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 17, 2013 11:43 AM (0HooB)

39 *stumbles in*


Shoot. Me.


Uggghhh.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 17, 2013 11:28 AM (GEICT)



BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG

*reloads*

BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG


*nudges with toe*


Oh. Hey. Why are we shooting you?

Posted by: alexthechick - Mmmm. Blondes with whipped cream. at June 17, 2013 11:43 AM (VtjlW)

40
23 Lovely. Because we all know illegals wouldn't lie on any forms they filled out.

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And the Dems wouldn't try to "help" them fill them out. Or bus them to the polls. Nah, crazy talk.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 17, 2013 11:44 AM (YmPwQ)

41 Preemption is only a tax.

Posted by: That Roberts guy at June 17, 2013 11:44 AM (VndSC)

42 Unfortunately, "compromise" means "We get what we want, you take it up the ass".

Ummm....can I get both?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at June 17, 2013 11:44 AM (NF2Bf)

43 And what's the point of states again? We're all just servants to the feds.

Posted by: Andrew at June 17, 2013 11:45 AM (+/z4q)

44 Oh. Hey. Why are we shooting you?
Posted by: alexthechick - Mmmm. Blondes with whipped cream. at June 17, 2013 11:43 AM (VtjlW)

Kinda quick on the trigger, aren't you, Sundance?

Posted by: Invictus at June 17, 2013 11:45 AM (OQpzc)

45 BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG *reloads* BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG *nudges with toe* Oh. Hey. Why are we shooting you?
Posted by: alexthechick


Stop making us look bad!

Posted by: LAPD at June 17, 2013 11:45 AM (NF2Bf)

46
Want to put a real boot in the crimigration bill? Add a voter ID amendment.


http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/real-id-act-text.pdf

DHS's "Real ID" scheme is going to do quite a bit of that work.

Posted by: Purp at June 17, 2013 11:45 AM (rVul6)

47 40
23 Lovely. Because we all know illegals wouldn't lie on any forms they filled out.

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And the Dems wouldn't try to "help" them fill them out. Or bus them to the polls. Nah, crazy talk.

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This is when you really have to love times like Florida in 2000, where bad instructions and dumb Dem voters cost Gore the election.

Specifically, the Dem instructions told them to vote on every page even though there were two pages for the Presidential race, so a bunch of Dem voters over-voted and invalidated their ballots for Gore.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 17, 2013 11:46 AM (a3iAA)

48 And what's the point of states again? We're all just servants to the feds.
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Laboratories of mandate compliance.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 17, 2013 11:46 AM (eEfYn)

49 Didn't the Motor Voter law preempt the State's rights first? (and the VRA)
Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2013 11:39 AM (jPtkn)

Given the 15th, 19th, 24th and 26th Amendments all deal with voting rights, it's pretty well established that there's a federal power in voting issues.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 17, 2013 11:46 AM (MbMSS)

50 Not really too upset. The time to save the country was in Nov.



Embrace the suck.

Posted by: nip
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It is really difficult *not* to do that. It is a little like the politician who suggested that if you are being raped you ought to lie back and enjoy it.

And yet..., I think about on the Marines on Wake Island, who ultimately knew that support was not going to be provided. They fought on anyhow. The demands being placed on us in this struggle aren't anything by comparison. While we can, we should fight harder.

Posted by: Table at June 17, 2013 11:46 AM (aDwsi)

51 My prediction: The minute amnesty passes, the Left immediately starts screaming equal protection, these new immigrants should be able to vote because they followed the rules for what they needed to do under the amnesty, blah blah blah.

Posted by: Mainah at June 17, 2013 11:46 AM (659DL)

52 "Legalize" those that are here by getting all of their information, where they're from, where they work and live, fingerprints, DNA, everything. Put them on the long, slow path to citizenship.

If you can't enforce a law to find and deport them, how do you plan to enforce this law?

Why won't they just ignore it?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 17, 2013 11:47 AM (4yFKY)

53
Super quick not at all thought through thought but hey can't the Tea Party groups smack the IRS in the mouth with this argument? Content of our prayers? Not on the form. Donor list? Not on the form.

At least now there's precedent for it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 17, 2013 11:48 AM (0HooB)

54 Ok, stupid question. But why is this so hard. When I was still living in Germany, in order to vote you had to have your passport with you. Poof, why can't they do that here instead of all that complicated registration shit?

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 17, 2013 11:48 AM (RLdcX)

55 There's been a number of instances of illegal aliens making it onto juries...which implies they managed to vote.

Posted by: Purp at June 17, 2013 11:48 AM (rVul6)

56 We could form up down there, get some real military weapons and attack and conquer Mexico from the south

I can see one problem with that plan right off: You'd be conquering, um, Mexico...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, CEO, Hodorburton at June 17, 2013 11:48 AM (zUi7I)

57 jan was a whiner

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 17, 2013 11:49 AM (8JJ6O)

58 why can't they do that here instead of all that complicated registration shit?

Racist.

Posted by: Purp at June 17, 2013 11:49 AM (rVul6)

59 So: a voter has to be a citizen, but doesn't have to prove they are?

Gee, the gubmint -- not to mention countless private companies, organizations, etc. -- requires all kinds of proofs for other, less-important daily tasks. Try getting a driver's license without a SocSec card and proof of identity/citizenship....

Yup...makes perfect sense to me.

Choom Boy, Congress and teh Supremes are the horse's asses of the Apocalypse.

Buckle up, folks. This ain't gonna be a smooth or fun ride.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 17, 2013 11:49 AM (lNAFm)

60 The Democratic Party has become a full-fledged criminal enterprise, and is extending it's rule over the entire government.

What is the process required for convening a Constitutional Convention ?

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 17, 2013 11:49 AM (fb100)

61 Ok, stupid question. But why is this so hard. When I was still living in Germany, in order to vote you had to have your passport with you. Poof, why can't they do that here instead of all that complicated registration shit?
Posted by: Ma Bell


Because our base is too fucking stupid to obtain identificat....ummmm....I mean shut up you racisty racist!

Posted by: DNC at June 17, 2013 11:50 AM (NF2Bf)

62 >>>jan was a whiner


Marcia was the screamer.

Posted by: Roy at June 17, 2013 11:50 AM (VndSC)

63 Racist.
Posted by: Purp at June 17, 2013 11:49 AM (rVul6)

Thank you

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 17, 2013 11:50 AM (RLdcX)

64 Deport them all AND the Congress, too.

Posted by: garrett at June 17, 2013 11:50 AM (4Lbfn)

65 DHS's "Real ID" scheme is going to do quite a bit of that work.
Posted by: Purp at June 17, 2013 11:45 AM (rVul6)

Show me your papers, citizen.

Even in Texas it is a misdemeanor to fail to ID yourself to a cop. Some folks get arrested for just that. No other charges. And, these days, any arrest makes you known to the system in the biblical sense.

Posted by: Invictus at June 17, 2013 11:51 AM (OQpzc)

66 Oh crap , Scalia just joined Cheney on the moron shit list. It's a list with no end.

Posted by: polynikes at June 17, 2013 11:51 AM (ZhNCB)

67 Mexico already has commie rebels causing them big problems in the southern region. Sometimes the fighting gets pretty hot. Most of the time the US media pays no attention...

Posted by: Purp at June 17, 2013 11:51 AM (rVul6)

68
>>> Marcia was the screamer.


That was actually Peter.

Posted by: Robert Reed at June 17, 2013 11:52 AM (4Lbfn)

69 Getting a ballot is easier for a non-citizen than buying a gun at a store.

Posted by: EC at June 17, 2013 11:52 AM (GQ8sn)

70 Ok, stupid question. But why is this so hard. When I was still living in
Germany, in order to vote you had to have your passport with you. Poof,
why can't they do that here instead of all that complicated
registration shit?
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Passport application fee would thereby be a tax on voting.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 17, 2013 11:52 AM (eEfYn)

71 Oh. Hey. Why are we shooting you? Posted by: alexthechick - Mmmm. Blondes with whipped cream. at June 17, 2013 11:43 AM (VtjlW)

The same reason people climb Mount Everest.

Because it's there.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 17, 2013 11:53 AM (MPIX5)

72 Passport application fee would thereby be a tax on voting.
Posted by: RioBravo at June 17, 2013 11:52 AM (eEfYn)


Really? Does that mean Americans never ever leave to visit another country?

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 17, 2013 11:53 AM (RLdcX)

73 68
>>> Marcia was the screamer.


That was actually Peter.
Posted by: Robert Reed at June 17, 2013 11:52 AM (4Lbfn)

dear Lord

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 17, 2013 11:53 AM (8JJ6O)

74 >>> Marcia was the screamer.That was actually Peter.

Not in my dreams.

Posted by: Accused pederast Harry Reid fondling himself to a bing search of Bobby at June 17, 2013 11:54 AM (NF2Bf)

75 Does the federal Motor Voter form have any proof of citizenship requirement?

Posted by: Nash Rambler at June 17, 2013 11:54 AM (h+OzC)

76 I have a simple voter intelligence test -- Name the president, VP, and one of your senators. If you can do that, you're good to go.

That would weed out maybe half the illegals.

Posted by: Purp at June 17, 2013 11:55 AM (rVul6)

77 Marcia was the screamer.


Can I come with you?

Posted by: David Model Type 3 at June 17, 2013 11:55 AM (GQ8sn)

78
There was never a chance they would have held this up. States simply can't change a Federal law. I understand and agree with the reason why they wanted this change to the law, but it is a Federal law anda State does not have the authority to modify, changeor amendit.

The majority did sympathize with Arizona though....."However, Scalia said Arizona could try a different approach to challenge the federal law's pre-emption, thereby holding out the possibility that the state could resurrect its proof-of-citizenship requirement."

Posted by: Johnnyreb at June 17, 2013 11:55 AM (6McTJ)

79 I have a simple voter intelligence test -- Name the president, VP, and one of your senators. If you can do that, you're good to go.That would weed out maybe half the illegals.

That would weed out half the country. Which I can't imagine would be a bad thing.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at June 17, 2013 11:55 AM (NF2Bf)

80 It's a tax, so... legal

Posted by: Reality Man at June 17, 2013 11:55 AM (obXkJ)

81 75
Does the federal Motor Voter form have any proof of citizenship requirement?


Other than simply asserting you're a citizen in a check box?

Posted by: Purp at June 17, 2013 11:56 AM (rVul6)

82 Really? Does that mean Americans never ever leave to visit another country?
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No. However, lots of citizens do not have passports - particularly poor minorities. As of January 2012 about 1/3 of American held passports.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 17, 2013 11:56 AM (eEfYn)

83 Yeah, they got to me too.

Posted by: Scalia at June 17, 2013 11:56 AM (Cs2tJ)

84 Overblown.

Only citizens can legally vote. Operative word being "legally".

If a non US Citizen knowingly votes in an election they can be deported or charged with voter fraud.

But since we are on an amnesty binge, it doesn't really matter.

Posted by: Marcus at June 17, 2013 11:57 AM (GGCsk)

85 I don't give a damn whether it is a reasonable decision or not (for the record it seems like it is). It is once again a case where the functional result will be where one side is held to the most stringent interpretations, and the other side gets to do as it damn well pleases--because that is the political will.

I have the funny feeling that in Canada, the U.K., and Austrailia, they might not put as many restrictions on government (and citizens are more blatantly subjects), but on the other hand the rules actually get followed and applied evenly. Might be sonething worth considering going forward--that their systems have more integrity, whereas ours increasingly does not.

Posted by: T. at June 17, 2013 11:57 AM (LyGCU)

86 Does the federal Motor Voter form have any proof of citizenship requirement?Posted by: Nash Rambler at June 17, 2013 11:54 AM (h+OzC) No

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 17, 2013 11:57 AM (R8hU8)

87
These people (the Dims) are quite busy doing the same thing to the average American that was done to the Brits during the '90's, namely importing a new electorate. One that they can control, thereby staying in power in perpetuity.

We are so terribly screwed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 17, 2013 11:57 AM (0HooB)

88 Does the federal Motor Voter form have any proof of citizenship requirement?

Posted by: Nash Rambler
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It is only necessary that one states that one is a citizen, I believe.

Posted by: Table at June 17, 2013 11:57 AM (aDwsi)

89 Apropos to nothing, Rubeius Maximus bears a slight resemblance to Michael Weatherly from some angles. Makes me want to see him dope-slapped upside the back of his head repeatedly.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, CEO, Hodorburton at June 17, 2013 11:57 AM (zUi7I)

90 The traitor Snowden appears to be having a live chat at the Guardian as we speak.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2013 11:58 AM (ZPrif)

91 Is perpetuating fraud by signing the Motor Voter form as an alien, one of the specific amnesties granted by the Rubio immigration bill?

Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2013 11:58 AM (jPtkn)

92
If you can't enforce a law to find and deport them, how do you plan to enforce this law?


Why won't they just ignore it?

Because if you're changing the law, now is the time to make it enforceable. Not only make the penalty stiff, but make it such that no sane "recently legalized" person would risk violating that law.

The same goes for the border. It doesn't matter how high the fence is, they are going over, around, through or under it. It makes more sense to allow them in through the same process, have all their information, issue them a ID card and be able to immediately deport anyone who doesn't have ID.

Now, with actual ID, you can control the work permits. Crack down hard on companies who use illegals, now that you have an ID that the company can rely on. No work, no illegals.

Posted by: jwest at June 17, 2013 11:58 AM (u2a4R)

93 I can see one problem with that plan right off: You'd be conquering, um, Mexico...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, CEO, Hodorburton at June 17, 2013 11:48 AM (zUi7I)

I have a plan. We take all the hot women as war brides, sell the ugly ones to the arabs and kill all the men. Then we open immigration to any men from Europe who have a minimum amount of testosterone. Not many of those, I'll grant, but there has to be some Vikings left in the world.

And we change the name to Valhalla and refuse to let anyone who hasn't served in the military vote.

And we train, and drink, and screw, and carouse and recruit until the Dollar collapses and then we allow the former red states to join us. On probation, of course.

Posted by: Invictus at June 17, 2013 11:58 AM (OQpzc)

94 Congress should just change the name of the "Motor Voter" law to the "Democrat Voter Fraud" law -- because we all know that's what it is.

Posted by: Horrified Observer at June 17, 2013 11:59 AM (/sohm)

95 That would weed out maybe half the illegals. Posted by: Purp at June 17, 2013 11:55 AM (rVul6)

Actually, that's a good idea.

Because the resulting "mobilization" of all the La Raza-type groups to teach their constituents how to clearly say "El Senador Juan McCain" would provide hours of endless entertainment.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 17, 2013 12:00 PM (MPIX5)

96 On the motor voter. Yeah, pre-emption. Feds get to set the rules for federal elections.

Presumably Arizona could still require citizenship for state and local elections, right?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2013 12:00 PM (ZPrif)

97 We could fix fraudulent voting overnight by requiring states to have photo ID requirements for voting a condition of highway funding. You could pass it with only 51 in the Senate. And Americans would overwhelmingly support it.

Posted by: McAdams at June 17, 2013 12:00 PM (1a1NJ)

98 To go further--"gangster government" is becoming more common here, but I delude myself that might not be the case everywhere.

Posted by: T. at June 17, 2013 12:01 PM (LyGCU)

99
"And we train, and drink, and screw, and carouse and recruit until the Dollar collapses and then we allow the former red states to join us. On probation, of course."

I knew if we just kept brainstorming, a plan would develop.

Posted by: jwest at June 17, 2013 12:01 PM (u2a4R)

100 woohoo!!! and another democrat victory!!!

I mean damn ***shakes fist***

Posted by: navycopjoe at June 17, 2013 12:01 PM (UWEUP)

101 No. However, lots of citizens do not have passports - particularly poor minorities. As of January 2012 about 1/3 of American held passports.
Posted by: RioBravo at June 17, 2013 11:56 AM (eEfYn)


Isn't that sad. And assuming that "minorities" are specially hit hard because....well minorities. It is amazing how other countries manage to provide passports to their citizens

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 17, 2013 12:01 PM (RLdcX)

102 All it takes is a vote of no-confidence and they can change a government the way people change their underwear.

Here, you're stuck with the fuckers until they time out...which is bad when you're being attacked from within.,

Posted by: Purp at June 17, 2013 12:01 PM (rVul6)

103 Is perpetuating fraud by signing the Motor Voter form as an alien, one of the specific amnesties granted by the Rubio immigration bill?
Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2013 11:58 AM (jPtkn)
____________________

Rubio's amnesty bill gives amnestied illegal aliens official immunity from criminal prosecution for identity theft, Social Security and welfare fraud, and perjury on government documents.

Because we're only giving amnesty to those "good, law-abiding" illegal aliens who just come here to work hard and be good citizens!

Posted by: Enraged Citizen at June 17, 2013 12:02 PM (/sohm)

104 Thanks again Supreme Court.

Posted by: Non US citizen at June 17, 2013 12:03 PM (nsOJa)

105 The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

So States get to make the law about elections, unless over ridden by the Congress of the US.

Has the Congress of the US passed a Law that says you DON'T have to prove citizenship?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2013 12:05 PM (lZBBB)

106 You can't seriously think Congress will fix it, can you? Really? If anything, it will do the exact fucking opposite.

Posted by: Randall Hoven at June 17, 2013 12:05 PM (YxJKp)

107




"Hero!"

"Traitor"

"Fucking Hero!

"Traitor, you scumbag!"

"Say, you kids. Relax; he's a traitor AND a hero!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2013 12:06 PM (+98Gb)

108 Now, with actual ID, you can control the work permits. Crack down hard on companies who use illegals, now that you have an ID that the company can rely on. No work, no illegals.

Illegals already drive without driver's licenses and use fake Social Security numbers.

Neither offense gets them deported.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 17, 2013 12:06 PM (NvZnr)

109 Posted by: Enraged Citizen at June 17, 2013 12:02 PM (/sohm)

Congress has no Amnesty Power... and in fact... this Amnesty would be an Ex Post Facto LAW, as it will make something Illegal, Legal...

Congress cannot do that... at least if they bother following the Constitution.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2013 12:06 PM (lZBBB)

110 Without getting all wordsmithy, partly because I'm on a phone but overwhelmingly because I'm incapable;

America was an idea. A vision or a dream if you will. A vision created by men of goodwill who, for the majority of them, both loved and had the proper fear of the Creator. It was a wonderful dream while it lasted.
For you see, the evil that never sleeps, and those who would sell their soul for worldly power, began infiltrating that dream. For evil hates freedom. Evil wants all humanity in spiritual and physical bondage.
The further America has walked away from her Creator, the more bondage has tightened the chains.
The alarm clock started going off long, long ago.
And, not all, but more and more people along the way, kept hitting the snooze button.

Posted by: teej at June 17, 2013 12:07 PM (6Zy+s)

111 You know what would be a good tax?

Tax all money sent to Mexico.

If we could get a Dem to sponsor that, we'd own the Mexican vote.

Posted by: Invictus at June 17, 2013 12:07 PM (OQpzc)

112 @DavidLeopold:


BREAKING: ICE Director John Morton resigning; will leave at the end of July

Posted by: Tami at June 17, 2013 12:08 PM (X6akg)

113 109 .. at least if they bother following the Constitution.
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2013 12:06 PM (lZBBB)

Now THAT's funny!


(**sobs uncontrollably**)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 17, 2013 12:08 PM (+98Gb)

114 what's the big deal on this?
the illegals are going to be voting for the GOP anyway
that's what Rubio said

Posted by: navycopjoe at June 17, 2013 12:08 PM (UWEUP)

115 Rush opening with this now.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 17, 2013 12:09 PM (0HooB)

116 81 75 Does the federal Motor Voter form have any proof of citizenship requirement?
Other than simply asserting you're a citizen in a check box?

Posted by: Purp at June 17, 2013 11:56 AM (rVul6)


That's what I was wondering, but from the other responses and my own looksee, check box is all that is required.

Thanks to all who responded.

Posted by: Nash Rambler at June 17, 2013 12:09 PM (h+OzC)

117 Does the federal Motor Voter form have any proof of citizenship requirement?

Posted by: Nash Rambler
-------------------

It is only necessary that one states that one is a citizen, I believe.

______________________

Yep, it's one of those forms that tells you to check the "yes" box if you are a U.S. citizen. (We'll take your word for it, because we know illegal aliens never lie about anything!).

"Community organizing" groups instruct illegal aliens to always check the "yes" box. They tell them that no one ever bothers to verify if they are, in fact, U.S. citizens. They also tell them that, in the highly unlikely event they are ever questioned by a government official about their answer, they should simply claim they misunderstood the question (because of poor English skills, poor reading skills, whatever). They tell them that perjury is rarely ever prosecuted, and that it requires a showing of intent to lie, which can't be proved if they didn't understand the question in the first place.

It's a very well-organized scam, funded by our tax dollars. (Why do you think Rubio's amnesty bill contains grants of hundreds of millions of dollars for groups like La Raza?)

Posted by: Enraged Citizen at June 17, 2013 12:09 PM (/sohm)

118 Mexico should be thankful we gave them back half their country in 1848.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:09 PM (UVBO7)

119 Apparently some people are confusing proof of citizenship at the time of registration with being able to vote.

So being registered to vote is no longer proof of eligibility to vote? and now when you go to vote you will have to prove citizenship? How can one prove citizenship? Birth certificate? Can the State of Arizona now demand a birth certificate at the time a ballot is cast since the state can not now demand proof of citizenship to register?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 17, 2013 12:09 PM (bLijS)

120 The U.S. Constitution does not guarantee any particular kind of government; it merely establishes the framework for us to screw up. We no longer deserve the beauty and brilliance of the most amazing piece of writing in history. As Ben cautioned, we have lost our republic.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 17, 2013 12:11 PM (dZ756)

121 109 at least if they bother following the Constitution

while we're in fantasy land, i'll take a new Porsche and two big tiited blonds pls

Posted by: navycopjoe at June 17, 2013 12:11 PM (UWEUP)

122 It is amazing how other countries manage to provide passports to their citizens

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 17, 2013 12:01 PM (RLdcX)
----The Germans are particularly skilled at the documentation thing. Most Americans don't have a requirement to leave the country as we're not some small, piss-ant European country. And in comparison, Aussies seem to have a need to get away that Americans don't have.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 17, 2013 12:11 PM (eEfYn)

123 Mexico should be thankful we gave them back half their country in 1848.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:09 PM (UVBO7)

We have to stop conquering shit and then giving it back. That is crazy.

Posted by: Invictus at June 17, 2013 12:11 PM (OQpzc)

124 Mornings like these make me feel very sorry for my children and grandchildren.
They are inheriting a nation in decline.

Posted by: MrShad at June 17, 2013 12:11 PM (Xqfwb)

125 Oddly there's no such thing as 'undue burden' when it comes to exercising one's 2nd Amendment right.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 17, 2013 12:12 PM (XS/b3)

126 navycopjoe
http://youtu.be/85cL1HisrNc

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:13 PM (UVBO7)

127 I can't wait for the dems in Congress to start their happy dances... vomits

Posted by: Scalia at June 17, 2013 12:13 PM (Cs2tJ)

128 Who needs ID? I know a citizen when I see one.

Posted by: Zombie Justice Potter Stewart at June 17, 2013 12:13 PM (5RUlF)

129 Obama assassination bid fears - aircraft carriers on standby off Irish coast during G8 summit
US officials are taking the personal security of Barack Obama so seriously that they will be positioning two aircraft carriers off the coast of Donegal.

So much for sequestration

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2013 12:13 PM (9Bj8R)

130 Snowden's father was of Fox -- begging him to come home and *please* don't release any more info.

Feds have probably explained to his father that he's likely facing life in prison at this point.

I've seen at least 3 major leaks now from Snowden PRISM; Russian spying, Chinese spying. Did he also leak Verizon? That's 4 then.

The Russian and Chinese leaks have no hope for jury nullification. That's just straight treason.

And separate acts of treason. Each carries a huge penalty.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2013 12:13 PM (ZPrif)

131 Which class carriers - Nimitz or Wasp?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:14 PM (UVBO7)

132 As I said in the other thread, if Obama can thumb his nose at the courts so can Jan Brewer. Jan should tell them to piss up a rope we here in AZ will do what we want.

Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 11:30 AM (lZvxr)


It is long past time for people to start defying both the courts and the bureaucracy.

We need to began engaging in a policy of deliberate disobedience, both on an individual level, and a collective level. Simply refuse to cooperate, and make every effort to throw as much sand into their gears as is possible.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 17, 2013 12:15 PM (bb5+k)

133 Dems controlled House, Senate, and White House in 1993, right?

Why didn't Repubs get rid of Motor Voter when we controlled everything for 2 years under Bush?

Dems play the long game.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2013 12:15 PM (ZPrif)

134 Invictus, well we could always just foreclose on them. Then ask Canada to join. And presto we have the North American Union.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:15 PM (UVBO7)

135 Which class carriers - Nimitz or Wasp?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:14 PM (UVBO7)


Article doesn't say. Considering the Mission, I'd assume Wasp Class, but what do i know

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2013 12:16 PM (9Bj8R)

136 129 we cant even keep one carrier in the gulf and he gets two?

Posted by: navycopjoe at June 17, 2013 12:16 PM (UWEUP)

137 The message from Arizona to Congress should be as follows:

"Okay, you want to run the elections for yourselves and for the Electoral College? Here's the list of requirements of the electors for our House of Representatives, which is our most-populous house of the Legislature. You go buy the equipment, hire the workers, and find places for your polls. We're done being your bitch."

Posted by: Bo(eh)ner at June 17, 2013 12:16 PM (o44nj)

138 Why didn't Repubs get rid of Motor Voter when we controlled everything for 2 years under Bush?

Because Bush is a stealth progressive.

Posted by: Scalia at June 17, 2013 12:16 PM (Cs2tJ)

139 Damn dirty sock.

Posted by: steveegg at June 17, 2013 12:16 PM (o44nj)

140 Que bueno.

Posted by: Manuel Labor at June 17, 2013 12:17 PM (wAQA5)

141 129 Obama assassination bid fears - aircraft carriers on standby off Irish coast during G8 summit
US officials are taking the personal security of Barack Obama so seriously that they will be positioning two aircraft carriers off the coast of Donegal.

So much for sequestration

---

I doubt foreign powers are bothering to put together plots against him. He's doing too good a job of fucking up to be replaced with Biden.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 17, 2013 12:17 PM (a3iAA)

142 Which class carriers - Nimitz or Wasp?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:14 PM (UVBO7)

The Forrestal would be fitting for Odolph.

Posted by: Invictus at June 17, 2013 12:17 PM (OQpzc)

143 GD socks.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 17, 2013 12:17 PM (Cs2tJ)

144 BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG
*reloads*
BANGBANGBANGBANGBANGBANG
*nudges with toe*
Oh. Hey. Why are we shooting you?

Posted by: alexthechick - Mmmm. Blondes with whipped cream. at June 17, 2013 11:43 AM (VtjlW)


Huh, AtC uses a revolver? Seems the Empress deserves heavier caliber weaponry.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 17, 2013 12:18 PM (ioT3q)

145 We have to stop conquering shit and then giving it back. That is crazy.

Posted by: Invictus at June 17, 2013 12:11 PM (OQpzc)
---At one time we actually had the wisdom to avoid protracted guerilla wars and occupations when possible. That damned Trist should have gotten Tampico-Mazatlan though.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 17, 2013 12:18 PM (eEfYn)

146 As a heroine of our time said: they keep raising that bar.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 17, 2013 12:18 PM (f6C+f)

147 "voter imitative"

wow

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at June 17, 2013 12:19 PM (zpqa2)

148 131 the wasp isn't a damn carrier...its a LHD!!!
sorry, but that drives me insane

Posted by: navycopjoe at June 17, 2013 12:19 PM (UWEUP)

149 Report: Obama Quietly Running Amnesty Bill From White House, Has Control Over Gang Of Ocho…

Weasel Zippers

No doubt

Kill the Bill

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2013 12:19 PM (9Bj8R)

150 GD socks.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 17, 2013 12:17 PM (Cs2tJ)


Blame it on a case of the Mondays; I did.

Posted by: steveegg at June 17, 2013 12:19 PM (o44nj)

151
130 -

What did he tell the Russians and the Chinese? That we have the capability of using data mining technology to spy on the cell phone and internet content of Americans?

This is news to you? I guarantee you, it was NOT news to the Russians and the Chinese.

Now, that our government IS spying on Americans, that's news. But I don't really see why the Russians and the Chinese would care half as much as Americans would.

You don't seem to though. Funny, that.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2013 12:20 PM (TOk1P)

152 The McAmnesty wing of the Republicans wants to make sure we have enough manpower for the Sino-American War II in 2038 (first was Korea).

McCain never saw a war he didn't want to fight and a horde of socialist foreigners he didn't want to amnesty.

To McCain the larger the horde of immigrants and the more babies the better.

McCain wants America to stay on top -- even if that means we have to become Brazil with Nukes. A billion people living in favelas and shanty towns.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2013 12:20 PM (ZPrif)

153 138 Because Bush is a stealth progressive.
-
Any Bush.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 17, 2013 12:20 PM (f6C+f)

154 Even two Wasp class LHDs is truthfully overkill. Since each LHD would have upto 2,200 Marines embarked.

Ambassador Stevens wishes he just had 200 Marines.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:20 PM (UVBO7)

155 142 The Forrestal would be fitting for Odolph.

whoa, slow down there buttercup, that was my first ship (waves to GGE who was there with me)...give him the saratoga

Posted by: navycopjoe at June 17, 2013 12:20 PM (UWEUP)

156 No one outside the political wonk sphere will pay any attention to this. Most of the population isn't interested. But, hey, you hear the latest on Kenye...........?

Posted by: Soona at June 17, 2013 12:21 PM (eKXog)

157 the wasp isn't a damn carrier...its a LHD!!!
sorry, but that drives me insane
Posted by: navycopjoe at June 17, 2013 12:19 PM (UWEUP)

Yeah, but the media doesn't know that. And I assume they are not sending Fleet Carriers over there for such a limited mission as emergency evacuation.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2013 12:21 PM (9Bj8R)

158 Burt,, and you don't seem to be bothered by treason. Funny that.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2013 12:21 PM (ZPrif)

159 Comment redacted due to NSA surveillance.

Posted by: McGregor at June 17, 2013 12:21 PM (qo244)

160 154 Ambassador Stevens wishes he just had 200 Marines.
or two more SEALs

Posted by: navycopjoe at June 17, 2013 12:22 PM (UWEUP)

161 31 the wasp isn't a damn carrier...its a LHD!!!

sorry, but that drives me insane

Posted by: navycopjoe at June 17, 2013 12:19 PM (UWEUP)
---Anyone but the U.S. would consider it one. It does carry aircraft! Now about those tanks with wheels...

Posted by: RioBravo at June 17, 2013 12:23 PM (eEfYn)

162 The specifics were news Burt. He gave specific IP #s. He didn't say, of the NSA and CIA are hacking you. He gave details.

But you seem determined to give a blind eye to treason. Why is that?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2013 12:23 PM (ZPrif)

163 What did he tell the Russians and the Chinese? That we have the capability of using data mining technology to spy on the cell phone and internet content of Americans?

This is news to you? I guarantee you, it was NOT news to the Russians and the Chinese.

Now, that our government IS spying on Americans, that's news. But I don't really see why the Russians and the Chinese would care half as much as Americans would.

You don't seem to though. Funny, that.
Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2013 12:20 PM (TOk1P)

yeah yeah, but it's not what the Russians and Chicoms know. We know they know, they know we know they know. But making this all 'Public" humiliates them. And that is a whole other ball game.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2013 12:23 PM (9Bj8R)

164 Comment redacted due to NSA surveillance.

Posted by: McGregor at June 17, 2013 12:21 PM (qo244)


This Comment of the Day™ is brougt to you by Government Bell - We can hear you now.

Posted by: steveegg at June 17, 2013 12:23 PM (o44nj)

165 Man I just can't wait for the SCOTUS to strike down DOMA all in the name of federalism, and then in the next breath kill federalism by declaring states outlawing gay marriage unconstitutional.

Posted by: buzzion at June 17, 2013 12:23 PM (LI48c)

166 157 And I assume they are not sending Fleet Carriers over there for such a limited mission as emergency evacuation

I can dash that reasoning with two words: Obama's ego

Posted by: navycopjoe at June 17, 2013 12:23 PM (UWEUP)

167
158 -

You're not paying attention. I see dozens of posters here, myself included, who have not excused Snowden's actions. I also see more than a few who can't seem to get beyond his actions, and ask questions of the government. None more frequently than you.

Do you care that your government is spying or Americans or not?

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2013 12:24 PM (TOk1P)

168
Seems to me this means States need two different voter registration schemes - one for state elections (which, presumably, is exclusively under state jurisdiction) and one for Federal elections.

Posted by: @JohnTant at June 17, 2013 12:24 PM (tVWQB)

169 And I assume they are not sending Fleet Carriers over there for such a limited mission as emergency evacuation

I can dash that reasoning with two words: Obama's ego
Posted by: navycopjoe at June 17, 2013 12:23 PM (UWEUP)

Ya got a point there. We will see. It does sicken me, no matter what the make up.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2013 12:25 PM (9Bj8R)

170 Seems to me this means States need two different voter registration schemes - one for state elections (which, presumably, is exclusively under state jurisdiction) and one for Federal elections.

Posted by: @JohnTant at June 17, 2013 12:24 PM (tVWQB)


Why do I get the feeling Motor Voter eliminated that possibility (and if not, the Roberts Lawgivers-In-Black will shortly)?

Posted by: steveegg at June 17, 2013 12:25 PM (o44nj)

171 Ambassador Stevens wishes he just had 200 Marines.>>

Or the 2 they had with better weapons and air support.

Posted by: McGregor at June 17, 2013 12:25 PM (qo244)

172 NEW YORK (WABC) – A Newark-bound United Airlines flight is carrying a passenger who reportedly informed the crew that he “poisoned everyone on board.”

United Flight 116, from Hong Kong, is set to land at 1:30 p.m.

The passenger is being restrained by other passengers.

Law enforcement officials in New York and Washington, D.C., are aware of the incident and are responding.

There is no evidence that passengers have been poisoned, and officials believe the man who made the claim is emotionally disturbed.

He and others on board will be interviewed when plane lands.

Snowden coming home?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2013 12:26 PM (9Bj8R)

173 give him the saratoga

Posted by: navycopjoe at June 17, 2013 12:20 PM (UWEUP)


Hey, that was my first ship. Give him the Langley.

Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 12:27 PM (lZvxr)

174 Burt, I'll say what I want, when I want. If that bothers then I don't give a shit.
When you become official nazi police, you can control my speech. Till then kiss my ass.

You are the one who started question my motives. Maybe treason just bothers me more than you.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2013 12:27 PM (ZPrif)

175
163 -

I'm sure it is. Which is why they seem to want to distance themselves from the guy, and that's more a part of the diplomatic game than it is the spy game.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2013 12:27 PM (TOk1P)

176 When will Schumer and McCain provide us their celebratory presser? Before noon??

Posted by: FUBAR at June 17, 2013 12:27 PM (Cs2tJ)

177 Geez guys why besmirch any Forrestal class with this? USS Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:28 PM (UVBO7)

178 Taking another crack at this proof of citizenship thing :

The supreme court decides that the federal government preempts and sets the standard, and since the federal standard does not require proof of citizenship then the only conclusion one can reach is the only requirement necessary is to show up and claim the right to vote and you don't even need to prove your identity..

Same day registration
provisional ballots
claim of citizenship


Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 17, 2013 12:29 PM (bLijS)

179 Flatbush Joe

If we all agree that he is in fact a traitor, will you leave?

Posted by: FUBAR at June 17, 2013 12:29 PM (Cs2tJ)

180
174 -

Thanks Joe, I just wanted a little clarity as to who you are. I have it now.

Bye.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 17, 2013 12:29 PM (TOk1P)

181 What we really need is an Art V convention. And we need it before it is too late.

Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 12:30 PM (lZvxr)

182 It is far more difficult and burdensome to register each one of my kids for Little League in my city of Tempe, AZ than it is to register to vote. For L.L., each year we must provide an original birth certificate for each child, another legal I.D. Such as a driver's license, two more statements proving address (such as utility bills or bank statement), and a series of signed registration, medical and liability forms. Then for me to volunteer as a dad in the dugout, I need a form filled out allowing a criminal background check and with names and phone numbers of three personal references.

When I register my car every two years, I do it online. At the end of the process I am taken to the voter registration screen, where I can then register with nothing more than clicking a box promising I am who I say I am.

Posted by: MostlyRight at June 17, 2013 12:30 PM (w9AQ4)

183 173 177 I know, give him the Kitty Hawk
everybody hates the Shitty Kitty

Posted by: navycopjoe at June 17, 2013 12:30 PM (UWEUP)

184 The SCOTUS said that the mere line on the registration forms declaring that you are a citizen" "under penalty of perjury" was enough, based on the federal law that triumphed the state law.

Posted by: Danny Werfel at June 17, 2013 12:30 PM (e8kgV)

185
Make getting welfare as easy to get as a building permit.

Make voting as easy as buying a handgun.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 17, 2013 12:30 PM (qwK3S)

186 There are four possible Wasp class ships that could be easily tasked - Wasp, Kearsage, Bataan, and Iwo Jima. All are based at Norfolk.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:30 PM (UVBO7)

187 And I assume they are not sending Fleet Carriers over there for such a limited mission as emergency evacuation I can dash that reasoning with two words: Obama's ego Posted by: navycopjoe at June 17, 2013 12:23 PM (UWEUP) Ya got a point there. We will see. It does sicken me, no matter what the make up.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2013 12:25 PM (9Bj8R)


----------------------------------------------------


This just proves that we are not the only ones in this world that hate Odolph. No matter where he goes, he divides people against one another. If he's not the anti-christ then he's the leader of the foward team.

Posted by: Soona at June 17, 2013 12:31 PM (eKXog)

188 US officials are taking the personal security of Barack Obama so
seriously that they will be positioning two aircraft carriers off the
coast of Donegal.


WTF? Are they expecting a wave of Tu-22Ms or an armored division rolling in?

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 17, 2013 12:31 PM (Kppp9)

189 Same day registrationprovisional ballotsclaim of citizenship
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 17, 2013 12:29 PM (bLijS)

Early voting. Most roofing contractors won't let the illegals off to go vote.

Move it to Friday night and most will be too drunk. That cut down on the yute vote too.

Posted by: Invictus at June 17, 2013 12:31 PM (OQpzc)

190 I doubt foreign powers are bothering to put together plots against him.

I don't think it's the foreign powers he's worried about. Except maybe Israel. And he's not making China very happy. And then there's the UK...on second thought, maybe he should be worried...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, CEO, Hodorburton at June 17, 2013 12:32 PM (zUi7I)

191 The supreme court decides that the federal government preempts and sets the standard,>>

It is odd no state will stand up for the 10th amendment. The system is rigged with money and power and we are screwed.

Posted by: McGregor at June 17, 2013 12:32 PM (qo244)

192 >>What did he tell the Russians and the Chinese? That we have the capability of using data mining technology to spy on the cell phone and internet content of Americans?

He told the Chinese that the NSA was spying on them and told the Brits that their government was spying on attendees of the last G-20 Summit. And he gave back up documentation detailing how.

That has nothing to do with spying on US citizens and it is treasons to leak details of our operations against our enemies and to leak details of our allies programs.

I can be angry at both the NSA and Snowden at the same time. I can't understand why anyone has trouble with this concept.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2013 12:32 PM (g1DWB)

193 Which class carriers - Nimitz or Wasp?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:14 PM (UVBO7)

Article doesn't say. Considering the Mission, I'd assume Wasp Class, but what do i know

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2013 12:16 PM (9Bj8R)


At least one of them is a Nimitz class; the article says that it is there to be the offshore-to-US leg of a bug-out move. The Wasps can't handle multi-passenger jet aircraft.

Posted by: steveegg at June 17, 2013 12:32 PM (o44nj)

194 WTF? Are they expecting a wave of Tu-22Ms or an armored division rolling in?


Posted by: Waterhouse at June 17, 2013 12:31 PM (Kppp9)
-----Possibly. Obama has RESET Russian relations back to 1985.

Posted by: RioBravo at June 17, 2013 12:33 PM (eEfYn)

195 It is odd no state will stand up for the 10th amendment. The system is rigged with money and power and we are screwed.

Posted by: McGregor at June 17, 2013 12:32 PM (qo244)


But mostly power. There's this little matter of the Civil War that neutered the 9th/10th.

Posted by: steveegg at June 17, 2013 12:33 PM (o44nj)

196 Some here seem concerned that if anybody label Snowden accurately as the traitor he is, that that somehow weakens their arguments against domestic surveillance.

Walk and chew gum, it's not that hard.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2013 12:34 PM (ZPrif)

197 I can be angry at both the NSA and Snowden at the same time. I can't understand why anyone has trouble with this concept.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 17, 2013 12:32 PM (g1DWB)


This

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2013 12:34 PM (9Bj8R)

198
I understand what they are saying but effectively (for most intents), registration is proof a citizenship to poll workers.

We are now allowing (have for a while actually) other countries to elect our representatives.

Boned.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 17, 2013 12:35 PM (g5YAm)

199 The war didn't weaken the 9th/10th. FDR did by packing the court with commies.

Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 12:35 PM (lZvxr)

200 At least one of them is a Nimitz class; the article says that it is there to be the offshore-to-US leg of a bug-out move. The Wasps can't handle multi-passenger jet aircraft.
Posted by: steveegg at June 17, 2013 12:32 PM (o44nj)

Well once on the Wasp or a similar ship, he would be safe. No need to "Jet" anywhere
And I am beginning to think this story is a hoax anyway

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2013 12:36 PM (9Bj8R)

201 Some here seem concerned that if anybody label Snowden accurately as the traitor he is, that that somehow weakens their arguments against domestic surveillance.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe


Some here seem intent on reminding us that he's a traitor on every thread.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 17, 2013 12:36 PM (XS/b3)

202
WTF? Are they expecting a wave of Tu-22Ms or an armored division rolling in?
Posted by: Waterhouse




Remember that scene in the movie 300 when Xerxes descends a staircase made from his soldiers backs?

Maybe The O just wants to make an entrance.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 17, 2013 12:36 PM (kdS6q)

203 A Wasp class can lay offshore in view of everything. Almost a gunboat. With CH-53s and AV-8Bs. And the VC-3s or VC-60s can then flee to a nice inviting deck of American soil where there is embarked an MEU along with a hospital to soothe shattered nerves admist the ruling class.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:36 PM (UVBO7)

204 The war didn't weaken the 9th/10th. FDR did by packing the court with commies.

Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 12:35 PM (lZvxr)


That was the nail in the coffin.

Posted by: steveegg at June 17, 2013 12:36 PM (o44nj)

205 What we really need is a collapse. It's coming, we just don't know exactly when.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at June 17, 2013 12:37 PM (zpqa2)

206 DERP VH-3s or VH-60s Duh.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:37 PM (UVBO7)

207
When I find myself in times of trouble,
Mother Mary comes to spurn...
Speaking words of wisdom,

Let it Burn


And in my hour of darkness
She does say it's now our turn....
Speaking words of wisdom,

Let It Burn
Let It Burn
Let It Burn

Whispers words of wisdom..... Let it burn.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 17, 2013 12:38 PM (nELVU)

208 Another ruling today by SCOTUS, the government can declare "pay to delay" on generic drugs illegal.


One wonder what the basis of that damn ruling is? I have no love for this practice but I don't recall anything in the Constitution giving any wing of the government, including the courts, authority over this.

Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 12:38 PM (lZvxr)

209 No state stands up for its rights because they're all addicted to Fed money.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at June 17, 2013 12:39 PM (zpqa2)

210 I happened to be in AZ during the last federal election. Went to the polls with my fiancée. Easily a 1/3 much more like 1/2 of the ballots cast while we were there (for about an hour) were provisional ballots.

Not saying there was voter fraud, but it did make me wonder about elections down south. I've moved a lot within Canada so I've voted in many elections in which my voter registration didn't match up to the district I was voting in. But I will say that any time I've done it I was the only person in the line to have my id/residency validated. So I'm left wondering how nearly half of the people who show up aren't properly registered or have ID if not for fraud.

Yeah our voter id isn't foolproof (I could easily vote both in the place that I live and in the place where my drivers license say I live) but it's better than whatever the hell they have going on in Arizona.

Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at June 17, 2013 12:39 PM (9j/Zj)

211 A Wasp class can lay offshore in view of everything. Almost a gunboat. With CH-53s and AV-8Bs. And the VC-3s or VC-60s can then flee to a nice inviting deck of American soil where there is embarked an MEU along with a hospital to soothe shattered nerves admist the ruling class.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:36 PM (UVBO7)


2 years ago the Wasp was in NY Harbor during Fleet Week, and the Medical Clinic was manned by a Doc who used to be in our Unit, so we all got a great tour of the Ship.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 17, 2013 12:40 PM (9Bj8R)

212 Is perpetuating fraud by signing the Motor Voter form as an alien, one of the specific amnesties granted by the Rubio immigration bill?
Posted by: Jean at June 17, 2013 11:58 AM (jPtkn) -- Yes

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 17, 2013 12:41 PM (R8hU8)

213 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower

That's a good link, there

Posted by: RiverC at June 17, 2013 12:41 PM (El+h4)

214 Yeah our voter id isn't foolproof (I could easily
vote both in the place that I live and in the place where my drivers
license say I live) but it's better than whatever the hell they have
going on in Arizona.

Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at June 17, 2013 12:39 PM (9j/Zj)

College students in the North routinely do this.

Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 12:41 PM (lZvxr)

215 One wonder what the basis of that damn ruling is? I have no love for this practice but I don't recall anything in the Constitution giving any wing of the government, including the courts, authority over this.

Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 12:38 PM (lZvxr)

The same provision that found PlaceboCare "constitutional" - the Lawgiver-In-Black Whole Cloth Clause.

Posted by: steveegg at June 17, 2013 12:41 PM (o44nj)

216 I sense a metaphor here. USS Iwo Jima in the fog.
http://tinyurl.com/n833axh

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 17, 2013 12:41 PM (UVBO7)

217 158 Burt,, and you don't seem to be bothered by treason. Funny that.


Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2013 12:21 PM (ZPrif)


Is it Treason to defend the Constitution? Tricky question isn't it....

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2013 12:42 PM (lZBBB)

218 I wouldn't read too much into this; It's a simple constitutional issue. Article I, Section 4 reads (emphasis mine): <blockquote>"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and
Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature
thereof; but the <b>Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such
Regulations</b>, except as to the Places of chusing Senators."</blockquote>

Posted by: snopercod at June 17, 2013 12:42 PM (LvTrc)

219 The Dems got motor voter laws implemented by linking them to highway funding.
No state seems to ever turn down highway funding. And they'll do almost anything the Feds ask to get it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2013 12:42 PM (ZPrif)

220 Well, fuck it. I'm off to vacuum seal another 50lbs of rice and beans. You should probably consider doing the same.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 17, 2013 12:42 PM (Cs2tJ)

221 Just ran into Bob "I like young hookers" Menendez at Newarks terminal A.

What a sort smug fucker. I almost asked him if he preferred Mexican or Dominican 12 year olds.

What a shit bag.

Posted by: Abe Lincoln at June 17, 2013 12:43 PM (5Wx2B)

222 Whispers words of wisdom..... Let it burn.
Posted by: fixerupper at June 17, 2013 12:38 PM (nELVU)

beautiful

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 17, 2013 12:43 PM (8JJ6O)

223 "I motion we dine on a menu of zucchini fries and cabbage Sloppy Joes all throughout the 2013 G8 Summit."

- Things you'll never hear the Obamas say.

Posted by: Fritz at June 17, 2013 12:44 PM (UzPAd)

224 Is Snowden a Traitor? By the book definitely but by the book so is 80% of our government. My problem with making judgement on him is the info is coming through the channels that lie for Obama. Is he the stand up guy that kills his daughters rapist dam the jail time or is he a dupe of the Chinese I'll probably never really know.

Posted by: McGregor at June 17, 2013 12:44 PM (qo244)

225 Iowahawk: BREAKING: James Bond defects to SPECTRE, cites "appalling" anti-Blofeld spy program.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 17, 2013 12:44 PM (ZPrif)

226 "3 Its bullshit is what it is. Preemption is also bullshit."

That is as may be. However, the nullification argument was settled forever in the parlor of the McLean House in Appomattox, Virginia.

Posted by: Jack S. Phoggbound, Esq. at June 17, 2013 12:45 PM (BNO/C)

227 138 Why didn't Repubs get rid of Motor Voter when we controlled everything for 2 years under Bush?Because Bush is a stealth progressive.

----

Why didn't the Pubs do ANHYTHING under Bush...and to a lessser extent, in the states where they hold power...?

Answer, because the Dems are relentless and hold on to their gains kicking and screaming. Note the resistance to Paul Walker (moron reference) and the GOP majority in Wisconsin for merely ending the mandatory state union dues withdrawlals. Dem legislators fleeing the state to prevent a quorum, Walker subjected to a recall. In PA the GOP majority and governor cower from doing anything responsible by shouts of racism from the Philly Dems. Now with a new election cycle coming up, it's CYA time, so iothing will get done (still).

It's fucking hopeless.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 17, 2013 12:45 PM (YmPwQ)

228 Laws are irrelevant in a land where Obamacare is a tax and the populace is ignorant. Do whatever you need to do to hold on to power, rulers.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at June 17, 2013 12:46 PM (zpqa2)

229 Goldfinger had the best minions by far.

They pwned Bond.

Posted by: eleven at June 17, 2013 12:46 PM (KXm42)

230

Remember that scene in the movie 300 when Xerxes descends a staircase made from his soldiers backs?

Maybe The O just wants to make an entrance.


Barack Xerxes. I like the way that just rolls off the tongue.

Posted by: King Putt at June 17, 2013 12:47 PM (qoQi/)

231 Motor Voter, absentee voting, and early voting were the doors that were opened for rampant voter fraud in this nation. I know longer trust this process. It's a shame too, because it's one of the basic active rights I have for dissent.

Our voices are being, or, I should say, have been muted.

Posted by: Soona at June 17, 2013 12:47 PM (eKXog)

232 I'll predict now that womebody will challenge California Air Resources Board based on this ruling

Posted by: Danny Werfel at June 17, 2013 12:50 PM (e8kgV)

233 That is as may be. However, the nullification
argument was settled forever in the parlor of the McLean House in
Appomattox, Virginia.



Posted by: Jack S. Phoggbound, Esq. at June 17, 2013 12:45 PM (BNO/C)


"Forever" is undefined.

Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 12:50 PM (lZvxr)

234 138 Why didn't Repubs get rid of Motor Voter when we controlled
everything for 2 years under Bush?Because Bush is a stealth progressive.



3 words


Karl Fucking Rove

Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 12:51 PM (lZvxr)

235 New one

Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 12:52 PM (lZvxr)

236 Well, fuck it. I'm off to vacuum seal another 50lbs of rice and beans. You should probably consider doing the same.

Posted by: FUBAR at June 17, 2013 12:42 PM (Cs2tJ)


I'm off to buy another 1,000 rounds of ammo. What good are survival supplies without the means to defend them?

Posted by: steveegg at June 17, 2013 12:52 PM (o44nj)

237 know = no

Posted by: Soona at June 17, 2013 12:53 PM (eKXog)

238 Weren't all our Founding Fathers traitors the crown?

I'm still kind of fond of them.

Posted by: Invictus at June 17, 2013 12:54 PM (OQpzc)

239 Posted by: RiverC at June 17, 2013 12:41 PM (El+h4)

Ruh Roh Raggy.... guy does not sound like an idiot....

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 17, 2013 12:55 PM (lZBBB)

240 College students in the North routinely do this.
Posted by: Vic at June 17, 2013 12:41 PM (lZvxr)-----Yup and I'm with Soona. Absentee voting (particularly in the U.S.) should be restricted to the military. It's not like you don't know when the election is. If you want to vote then make sure you're home to do it.

Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at June 17, 2013 12:58 PM (9j/Zj)

241 Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.

Posted by: notachanceinhell at June 17, 2013 12:58 PM (jJA/4)

242 Stop giving driver's licenses to illegals.

Don't issue a license until the applicant surrenders the old one.

Posted by: Kristophr at June 17, 2013 01:01 PM (wYVte)

243 So, presumably, Arizona could still require people to present proof of citizenship when they show up to vote ...

until another lawsuit is filed to strike down that requirement as discriminatory against minorities, poor people, young people, and old people.

Posted by: Joshua at June 17, 2013 01:03 PM (oCZ4e)

244 Future Illegal Immigrant: Yup and I'm with Soona. Absentee voting
(particularly in the U.S.) should be restricted to the military. It's
not like you don't know when the election is. If you want to vote then
make sure you're home to do it.




And don't allow expats to absentee vote unless they are paying federal income tax, like US military personnel.

No skin in the game? No vote.

Posted by: Kristophr at June 17, 2013 01:05 PM (wYVte)

245 The National Security Agency: the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at June 17, 2013 01:06 PM (OY/SZ)

246 53% of americans pay income taxes and 105% of americans are eligible to vote.

Posted by: airandee at June 17, 2013 01:52 PM (KzwzI)

247 With absentee ballots and democrats in charge of some polling places, this means illegals can vote and there is no way to catch them.

Posted by: Smarty at June 17, 2013 02:35 PM (llVl9)

248 The State of Arizona could buy land along the border and defend it with deadly force. Partial solution.

Posted by: Goatweed at June 17, 2013 02:47 PM (8HrdX)

249 The State of Arizona could recall all driver's licenses and require citizenship proof for a license upon reissue.

Posted by: Goatweed at June 17, 2013 02:48 PM (8HrdX)

250 Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe for free shit,...

Posted by: Table at June 17, 2013 02:55 PM (aDwsi)

251 Using "invader" as the key word to describe illegals, allows Arizona and any other state to us Art I, Sec 10 of the Constitution of defend itself.

Posted by: Goatweed at June 17, 2013 03:17 PM (8HrdX)

252 Considering the Rhode Island US senate election only required 174,000 votes to win. I wonder if china is willing to send 200k citizens to put their candidate into the us senate?

Posted by: Airandee at June 17, 2013 05:14 PM (9GHCK)






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