95% of IRS Lawyer Presidential Donations Went to Obama;
Nepotism Is Open Practice at Department of Energy

As a commenter asked a while back -- second look at the Spoils System? At the very least we need a serious reform of the federal bureaucracy, and by "reform" I mean re-interviewing for jobs already held and mass firings.

The results for the IRS were striking. Of the IRS lawyers who made contributions in the 2012 election, 95% contributed to Obama rather than to Romney. So among IRS lawyers, the ratio of Obama contributors to Romney contributors was not merely 4-to-1 as previously reported, but more like 20-to-1. The ratio of funds to Obama was even more lopsided, with about 32 times as much money going to Obama as to Romney from IRS lawyers.

So has the IRS gone off the rails into hyper-partisanship, leaving behind other more balanced federal agencies? … The data show, however, that the partisanship of the lawyers in the IRS is not unusual or even particularly extreme among federal agencies. In fact, the lawyers in every single federal government agency–from the Department of Education [100%] to the Department of Defense [68%] — contributed overwhelmingly to Obama compared to Romney.

We now know the scheme was overseen by Washington DC-based IRS lawyer Carter Hall, and likely others, though of course confidentially laws preclude us from knowing who violated taxpayer confidentiality laws.

Why did they all reach the same conclusions on whether it was politically, legally, and constitutionally permissible to target political opponents? Because they all began with that conclusion.

Remember the Golden Age of Nepotism in Government, back during the era of Miller's Crossing? You know, whenever that was supposed to be. Well, at the taxpayer-funded Department of Energy, the Golden Age of Nepotism in Government is back. Or did it every really go away?

A report released last week by the Energy Department’s inspector general found that nepotism within the department has become an “open and widely accepted” practice, which has resulted in the relatives of department officials getting their relatives employment at the DOE.

“Despite the Department’s ethics program and information regarding prohibited personnel practices, advocating for the selection of relatives appears to have become an open and widely accepted Departmental practice,” reads the inspector general’s report.

The report found that a senior Energy Department official used his influence to get his three college-aged children internships within the department. All three of his children were employed by the DOE, and two of them ended up working in the same department as their father — the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.

Wow an IG Report which is just now seeing the light of day.

I have no more Shocked Face left.

Posted by: Ace at 11:45 AM



Comments

1 I said it wqhen the IRS story broke the idiot GOP needed to quit being ethical and outdonk the donks...

our "non partisan civil service" is a bitter fucking joke

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 11:46 AM (LRFds)

2 I have often said that the only reason to run for Sewer Commissioner is to get your idiot nephew a job with the water department.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 11:48 AM (VtjlW)

3 There, feel warmer?

Posted by: Government Lawyers (but we repeat ourselves) at June 12, 2013 11:48 AM (FcR7P)

4 The second is not surprising in the least.

Though both do bring the whole idea of a professional civil service into question.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at June 12, 2013 11:48 AM (hLRSq)

5 I have an idea that's 10 times better!

Posted by: Decimation at June 12, 2013 11:49 AM (RD7QR)

6 Some of these people, Lois Lerner in particular, need to GO TO JAIL.

And somebody better check the statute of limitations as no progress may be made while Obama is in office.

Posted by: Jocon307 at June 12, 2013 11:50 AM (nk1wP)

7 The balls on those guys!

(We were all thinking it.)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2013 11:50 AM (lVPtV)

8

Wow an IG Report which is just now seeing the light of day.

I have no more Shocked Face left.


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Oh.... we have more. LOT'S more.


Hey .... Barrack..... Hows the view from under OUR bus.

Posted by: THE C.I.A. at June 12, 2013 11:50 AM (nELVU)

9 Though both do bring the whole idea of a professional civil service into question.

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The first more than the second, IMHO.

The second is supposed to be covered by EXISTING anti-nepotism rules in Civil Service. They're just being "waived" the current administration, I'm guessing.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 12, 2013 11:51 AM (JGSJZ)

10 Frankly, this is the predictable and inevitable result of an unelected, largely independent and semi-permanent fourth branch of government (Administrative Agencies).


Posted by: Alec Leamas at June 12, 2013 11:51 AM (nnkXw)

11 What we have now *is* the spoils system with credentials.

The 'easiest' solution? Shrink the fucking Federal government.

Everything that has been set loose this year vindicates the TEA party's message like an army of trumpet bearing angels. It's too big to be anything but corrupt, capricious, and dangerous.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 12, 2013 11:51 AM (SX6wc)

12 aren't gov't employees not supposed to give to political campaigns, or are these lawyers not gov't employees?

Posted by: mallfly, nonexpert at June 12, 2013 11:52 AM (bJm7W)

13 So ... no matter how we vote we are ruled over by viciously partisan Democrats who hate us?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 12, 2013 11:52 AM (ZPrif)

14 There is no consent of the governed.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 12, 2013 11:52 AM (ZPrif)

15


Not only nepotism, but that diversity shit, it's a huge incredible scam.

Just watch TV sometime, there are only apparently two races in the US, and they are equal, if not the black race a lot better.

This shit comes right out of the universities...as in that lovely criical race theory.

Old Juggy loves that shit.


Posted by: Rev dr John Boehner at June 12, 2013 11:52 AM (raGXo)

16 anyway, it depends on what you mean by "collect"

Posted by: mallfly, nonexpert at June 12, 2013 11:52 AM (bJm7W)

17 What are the donations of, say, the lawyers at America's hospitals?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 12, 2013 11:53 AM (ZPrif)

18 hmmm- so 95% of IRS lawyers contributions went to OFA, an organization granted exempt 501(c)(4) status by....wait for it...

Posted by: Nino at June 12, 2013 11:53 AM (eyuLr)

19 11 weft-cut-loop,

the problem is the GOP we gifted the house to has triued not one fucking serious step to address ANY tea party concerns....

fuck 'em time for plan b

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 11:53 AM (LRFds)

20 Wow, if you can;t trust the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy to be above board, especially when they're all about Science, I may start to doubt their work in general.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 12, 2013 11:53 AM (qRasw)

21 So ... no matter how we vote we are ruled over by viciously partisan Democrats who hate us?

________________________________

And that's just the judiciary.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at June 12, 2013 11:53 AM (nnkXw)

22 The Federal Civil Service is an organized crime family with dental...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 11:54 AM (LRFds)

23 oh, has Elijah Cummings released the name of the Conservative Republican who started the who thing about giving tea party types tax exempt status applications extra scrutiny, or would that violate confidentiality laws?

Posted by: mallfly, nonexpert at June 12, 2013 11:54 AM (bJm7W)

24 Here, you can have my shocked face, ace. It needs a vacation from me.

-__-

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 12, 2013 11:54 AM (4df7R)

25 Nepotism? What's next? Incest?

Posted by: Body Builder at June 12, 2013 11:54 AM (DrC22)

26 So big government demo(c)rats are corrupt ... who knew?

Posted by: direwolf at June 12, 2013 11:55 AM (Fyntg)

27 The federal bureaucracy will NEVER willingly go along with its dismantling. It is a siamese twin of the Democrats, who created and nurtured its malignant growth over the past 75 years.

And we do not have a political party that seeks to do the dismantling. Nay, they also have a vested interest in big government.

It is up once again to We the People. How we are to go about doing this is the big question. And the ballot box is becoming irrelevant as we speak, especially if amnesty goes forward.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 11:55 AM (+98Gb)

28 So ... no matter how we vote we are ruled over by viciously partisan Democrats who hate us?


To paraphrase my fellow New Englanders: ayuh.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 12, 2013 11:55 AM (4df7R)

29 This is what's left of my shocked face:

*__-

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2013 11:56 AM (lVPtV)

30 Just wondering what kind of salary tax lawyers at the IRS earn? Because sequester, and it sure seems like their is an overabundance of them.

Posted by: Marcus at June 12, 2013 11:56 AM (GGCsk)

31 21 So ... no matter how we vote we are ruled over by viciously partisan Democrats who hate us?

________________________________

And that's just the judiciary.

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We'll be fighting in the streets with our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and then the shotgun sings the song

Posted by: Pete Townsend at June 12, 2013 11:56 AM (JGSJZ)

32 We have a permanent government class that is 90% Democrat. And not just Democrat, but activist hard-left progressives.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 12, 2013 11:56 AM (ZPrif)

33 26 direwolf,

the GOP is worthless or we'd be arguing to open up US Federal property to resource extraction....

it is all Kabuki theater they are keeping our wealth tied up to use as spoils after they nationalize the damn thing

fu**ing assholes

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 11:56 AM (LRFds)

34 I wonder how many rounds of ammunition the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy buys every year.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 12, 2013 11:56 AM (qRasw)

35 Time for another President 1981's Policies:


Start at the top. If you're the head of a Civil Service Branch....you're fired. Right now. Clean your shit out and go see HR for your final check.

Now, let's hire some at least marginally competent people to replace those just fired. They're hired. Great. They're job is to fire the next layer of bureaucrats below them and hire competently.

So on and so forth. Every level of every branch of the federal civil service will be fired. You may reapply. You may reinterview. Will this take a long time? Oh fuck yeah. But it has to be done.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 12, 2013 11:57 AM (da5Wo)

36 I think what Ace is saying is that the Deck Chairs would look better over there.

Posted by: RMS Titanic at June 12, 2013 11:57 AM (bb5+k)

37

The me generation of politicians.

Get in while it's good; no matter the country will be in the toilet after you're dead. Who cares about our children or grandchildren, or great grandchildren. I'll be dead, and I got mine. By buying my way in.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 12, 2013 11:57 AM (XYSwB)

38 The second is not surprising in the least.

Though both do bring the whole idea of a professional civil service into question.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at June 12, 2013 11:48 AM (hLRSq)



It's the subject v. citizen thing again. Those in the professional civil servant class deem themselves to be ruling us rather than us being their employer.


See re: earlier discussion about poor customer service by city and county tax offices.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 11:57 AM (VtjlW)

39 Burn, Scatter, Salt.

And I no longer care what order.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 12, 2013 11:57 AM (OWjjx)

40 At least the political spoils systems was honest in its motives and its outcomes.

Posted by: Lothar Zogg at June 12, 2013 11:58 AM (Xv7f/)

41 Color me shocked that nepostism runs rampant in fields and departments run by liberals. Can you say Hollywood?

Posted by: El Darth Randall at June 12, 2013 11:58 AM (mV8sg)

42 I'm tired of hearing that you can't fire government employees.I say, fire them en masse and them sue. We will see if there is enough outragetoallow crooks like Lerner to remain on the taxpayer's dole.

Posted by: Liberty Lover at June 12, 2013 11:58 AM (encrR)

43 There is a Mandarin system in place in the Federal Government.... but it also encompasses the Banking Industry, and Legal Profession....

Watch as they move about, from job to job... using influence from friends to get more pay.... and using inside knowledge to make money on the market...

Our Governmentis aParasite... one whose workers leech off the lifeblood of America...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 12, 2013 11:58 AM (lZBBB)

44

We need to fake our way in, folks.

Conservative Trojan Horses. Everywhere.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 12, 2013 11:58 AM (XYSwB)

45 The surprise here is that the report came to light in June, instead of over the Christmas holidays, when the lowest number of people would hear it.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 12, 2013 11:58 AM (pT3XC)

46
It's a polygamous marriage made in Hell.

Politicians, lawyers, union bosses, and bureacrats. All greasing each other.

This is how (short-lived) full-fledged fascist states are born.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 12, 2013 11:58 AM (jlW3q)

47 I am convinced that separation of this country is the only way to survive.And the only way that can happen is if the schism becomes even more prevelant. And the only way that is going to happen is if people on the right totally shun and/ or call people out on the left who support these destructive leftistpositions.

That includes family members, friends and business associates. That will be as hard as taking up arms so I am not optimistic.

Posted by: polynikes at June 12, 2013 11:59 AM (m2CN7)

48 When do we start marching??? At what point do we stop being keyboard warriors and and take this shit to the Capitol??? I'm out of bubblegum.....Too many fucking apathetic, stupid sheep grazing the damn streets looking for the next handout.

Posted by: UnicornWhisperer at June 12, 2013 11:59 AM (kZilO)

49 40 lothar zogg,

and in having scum ass motherfuckers up there business STILL GOT DONE>...

now we have granola munching dandelion eating MFers blocking progress

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 11:59 AM (LRFds)

50 So Bella Ixmyx runs the IRS and JoJo Kracko runs the NSA.

Terrif.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 11:59 AM (+98Gb)

51 Burn, Scatter, Salt.

And I no longer care what order.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 12, 2013 11:57 AM (OWjjx)



heh.

Eventually, you'll just be saying: BSS or BS for short

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 12, 2013 11:59 AM (XYSwB)

52 48 Unicorn Whisperer,

I am thinking everyone should pencil in being in DC on 15 April that can,....

I will be there woith bells on./...

no organization just go

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:00 PM (LRFds)

53 34 I wonder how many rounds of ammunition the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy buys every year.
Posted by: Dr Spank
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You can be sure we're not going to be buying any of that low velocity biodegradable crap ammoyou civilians are going to be confined to.
High velocity hollow points all the way for your government. For ... er... practice.

Posted by: Purchasing at June 12, 2013 12:00 PM (Xv7f/)

54 44 artisanal 'ette,

that would be "plan B" 'ette

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:00 PM (LRFds)

55 heh.

Eventually, you'll just be saying: BSS or BS for short
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 12, 2013 11:59 AM (XYSwB)


Remember, pillage last!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 12:01 PM (VtjlW)

56 And how does anyone propose to implement any of these grand ideas regarding the Federal Bureaucracy?



Complain to our reps?

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:01 PM (bb5+k)

57 7
The balls on those guys!(We were all thinking it.)Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 12, 2013 11:50 AM (lVPtV)

You mean like this guy?

http://tinyurl.com/kc7pz77


Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 12, 2013 12:01 PM (OgQih)

58 Start at the top. If you're the head of a Civil Service Branch....you're fired. Right now. Clean your shit out and go see HR for your final check.

Too eleventy.

How about, "Start at the top. If you're the head of a Civil Service Branch....you're fired. Right now. Clean your shit out and go see HR for your final check. Your re-interview for your position will occur on Monday. You will compete from an applicant pool. You should not assume you're still qualified. Your previous experience in this position will mean a cut of 5 points on your application final score from the rest of the applicant pool."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 12:01 PM (6T8Ay)

59 Burn, Scatter, Salt. And I no longer care what order. Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at June 12, 2013 11:57 AM (OWjjx) Probably would be harder to burn if you scattered everything first.

Posted by: polynikes at June 12, 2013 12:01 PM (m2CN7)

60 So Bella Ixmyx runs the IRS and JoJo Kracko runs the NSA. Terrif.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 11:59 AM (+98Gb)
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How else are they going to get a piece of the action?

Posted by: El Darth Randall at June 12, 2013 12:01 PM (mV8sg)

61 56 diogenes lamp,

start organizing....

I'm thinking running a civilian version of Prism is a start....

"meta data"

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:01 PM (LRFds)

62 Yes. I was suggesting a return to the spoils system the other day. http://tinyurl.com/lz98uaw

Posted by: Velociman at June 12, 2013 12:02 PM (+UI4A)

63 Remember, pillage last!
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 12:01 PM (VtjlW)



I thought the burning came last? Or was it the raping?

*scratches head*


Dammit, this shit is hard.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 12, 2013 12:02 PM (da5Wo)

64 Burn, Scatter, Salt.

And I no longer care what order.


Unless said order interferes with a good Burning.

Posted by: t-bird at June 12, 2013 12:02 PM (FcR7P)

65 Many years ago, I knew a dude in LA who couldn't wait for his family to get him a union job at the post office so he could use his route to sell and deliver weed.

Posted by: Fritz at June 12, 2013 12:02 PM (UzPAd)

66 Related, if one thinks about it:

It should be obvious that there is a fundamental disconnect between the online conservative community and the pols--and I do not think I am remiss when I say that the consultants probably already know (or think they know) how to blow us off and still win the primary, and then the general.

They simply are not scared of us who are online.

Any change you want may have to have a very serious threat of a "general strike" against the entire GOP brand, because just like the Dems, they are often just going to push through and hope the LVI pulls them through. Probably will, at least in the primary--unless you make it impossible for it to work.

Posted by: T. at June 12, 2013 12:02 PM (/B/Nv)

67 I thought the burning came last? Or was it the raping?


Duh.

"I will burn your kids and rape your house."

Geeesh. Amateurs.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 12:03 PM (6T8Ay)

68 Hey, Velociman. Read his shit people. Good stuff.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 12, 2013 12:03 PM (da5Wo)

69
It's the subject v. citizen thing again. Those in the professional civil servant class deem themselves to be ruling us rather than us being their employer.


See re: earlier discussion about poor customer service by city and county tax offices.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 11:57 AM (VtjlW)


Leftists believe in Aristocracy deep down in their soul. Authoritarianism is nothing but a return to Aristocracy with themselves being the Aristocrats.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:03 PM (bb5+k)

70 "People who think I made a mistake in picking HK as a location
misunderstand my intentions. I am not here to hide from justice; I am
here to reveal criminality"

Snowden.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 12, 2013 12:03 PM (AWmfW)

71 63 Remember, pillage last!
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 12:01 PM (VtjlW)


I thought the burning came last? Or was it the raping?

*scratches head*


Dammit, this shit is hard.

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I think it is rape, kill, skin, and eat and, if you're VERY lucky, in that order.

Posted by: Reaver at June 12, 2013 12:03 PM (JGSJZ)

72
It's funny how all this stuff works. When they talked about the threat of laying off 800,000 DoD workers, a lot of people's first thought was how we couldn't afford to have the Defense Department running on fumes. My first thought was, how in the world are there 800,000 DoD civilian employees in the first place.

If they ain't carrying rifles, they don't need jobs. It's all related. The corruption, the inertia of federal agencies, except when it comes to hassling Americans, and the grossly inflated cost of it all.

Put me in the LiB category.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 12, 2013 12:03 PM (TOk1P)

73 66 T,

I'm thinking all of us showing up on 15 Apr and saying GOP notice us or we vote democrat will work....

vote anti-incumbent every time if the GOP blows us off this next spring...

churn the scum if nothing else it'll clean the swamp

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:04 PM (LRFds)

74 Oh brother. What did Bush do now???

Posted by: RWC at June 12, 2013 12:04 PM (fWAjv)

75 There is a Mandarin system in place in the Federal Government.... but it also encompasses the Banking Industry, and Legal Profession....

What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Journalism at June 12, 2013 12:04 PM (W6bkf)

76 60 How else are they going to get a piece of the action?
Posted by: El Darth Randall at June 12, 2013 12:01 PM (mV8sg)


You don't even know what the "action" is?

Loved the line "the most cooperative man in this world is a dead man, and if you don't come across you're gonna be cooperating."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 12, 2013 12:04 PM (+98Gb)

77 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 11:57 AM (VtjlW)

Mmmm. Blondes with whipped cream.

.....

Sorry. You were saying?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 12:04 PM (6T8Ay)

78 "I will burn your kids and rape your house."

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Now I don't have to tell you good folks what's been happening in our beloved little town. Sheriff murdered, crops burned, stores looted, people stampeded, and cattle raped. The time has come to act, and act fast. I'm leaving.

Posted by: Reverend Johnson at June 12, 2013 12:04 PM (JGSJZ)

79 It should be obvious that there is a fundamental disconnect between the online conservative community and the pols

I got a big ol' "Republican Platform Survey" from the RNC yesterday. No, I don't think they get it. They're in Washington, where all Good Things die.

Posted by: t-bird at June 12, 2013 12:05 PM (FcR7P)

80 It's a sad day in Amerika when government bureaucrats are attacked for their political donations and for the Lord's Work they are doing in shutting down the Amrikan Taliban. It makes me want to sit down at my desk, break out my old typewriter, and smoke an 8-ball of sweet, delicious, crack.

Posted by: Aaron Sorkin at June 12, 2013 12:05 PM (qRasw)

81 Here you are Mr. President. The names of all the lawyers who contributed to the enemies of Amerika. And everyone they know...

Posted by: NSA at June 12, 2013 12:05 PM (SO2Q8)

82
And what are our legislators working on? Making illegals legal.

It boggles...

Posted by: BurtTC at June 12, 2013 12:05 PM (TOk1P)

83 It is time to become a reaver. We take this government, we rape them to death, eat their flesh,
and sew their skins into our clothing. And, if they are very, very lucky, we will do it in that order.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at June 12, 2013 12:06 PM (epxV4)

84 I am convinced that separation of this country is the only way to survive.And the only way that can happen is if the schism becomes even more prevelant. And the only way that is going to happen is if people on the right totally shun and/ or call people out on the left who support these destructive leftistpositions.


Posted by: polynikes at June 12, 2013 11:59 AM (m2CN7)


I see the competent trying to survive in a sea of gimmees. We've seen this before. Every third world socialist hell hole.



Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:06 PM (bb5+k)

85 My first thought was, how in the world are there 800,000 DoD civilian employees in the first place.


Because when we cut the armed forces 40 years ago, there were jobs hat still needed to be done. They were contracted out OR turned into DoD civilian positions.

For example...most military dining facilities are now contracted out. Most heavy maintenance, ammunition supply point operations, fuel supply point operations, etc. etc. etc. are no DoD civilians.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 12:07 PM (6T8Ay)

86 What am I, chopped liver?

Posted by: Journalism at June 12, 2013 12:04 PM (W6bkf)
Journalism is the mandarin-wannabes.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 12, 2013 12:07 PM (B/VB5)

87 Posted by: Journalism at June 12, 2013 12:04 PM (W6bkf)

It was not until recently that we say politicians become active Journalists... or 'contributors'....

and we have yet to see a Journalist transverse back from Reporter to Politician...

So... no... while they mainly support the Dems... they are not as yet part of the Mandarin System....

Although there are a lot of SPOUSES of high level Government wonks, who are part of media... so perhaps they are.... peripherally...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 12, 2013 12:07 PM (lZBBB)

88
I see the competent trying to survive in a sea of gimmees. We've seen this before. Every third world socialist hell hole.

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The best way to handle it is to keep your head down until you can escape.

Posted by: Zombie Dr. Haing S. Ngor at June 12, 2013 12:07 PM (JGSJZ)

89 Wouldn't it be delicious if the trojan horse were already here?

"Bombshell!… John Bolton on NSA Leaker Snowden: “I’m Not at All Sure He’s Acting Alone Here” (Video)

Former UN Ambassador John Bolton suggested today on Happening Now that NSA Leaker Edward Snowden may not be acting alone.

“I will say this on Snowden, we don’t know the full story here yet. The kinds of things he’s had access to don’t make sense that somebody in his position could have gotten all together. So I’m not at all sure that he’s acting completely alone here. I think there’s a lot to still be learned about his activities.”

gatewaypundit, as in THE gwp

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 12, 2013 12:07 PM (XYSwB)

90 Here you are Mr. President. The names of all the lawyers who contributed to the enemies of Amerika. And everyone they know...
Posted by: NSA


Fools! I already know who's in my court!

Posted by: Baraka Hussein I at June 12, 2013 12:08 PM (FcR7P)

91 Is today the day that Congress begins to correct this? No? Which day then? Can I get a little check and balance action?

Posted by: dogfish at June 12, 2013 12:09 PM (NuPNl)

92
I thought the burning came last? Or was it the raping?
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I prefer to doraping in between each ofthe other activities. It's like a comma for the list. Ilike raping

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 12, 2013 12:09 PM (SO2Q8)

93 92
I thought the burning came last? Or was it the raping?
---
I prefer to doraping in between each ofthe other activities. It's like a comma for the list. Ilike raping

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"You said rape twice."

"I LIKE rape!"

Posted by: Zombie Dr. Haing S. Ngor at June 12, 2013 12:09 PM (JGSJZ)

94 "... two of them ended up working in the same department as their father — the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy."

It's almost as though renewable energy is just a giant cynical scam. But we all know that can't possibly be true.

Posted by: torquewrench at June 12, 2013 12:09 PM (gqT4g)

95 When do we start marching??? At what point do we stop being keyboard warriors and and take this shit to the Capitol??? I'm out of bubblegum.....Too many fucking apathetic, stupid sheep grazing the damn streets looking for the next handout.

Posted by: UnicornWhisperer at June 12, 2013 11:59 AM (kZilO)


There is no point in taking this to the Capitol unless you arrive with an "army" big enough to do something about it. Dissident complainers are not an effective method of getting them to change things.

If you can't frighten them politically, you aren't going to get anywhere.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:10 PM (bb5+k)

96 Liberal Democrat lawyers destroying the country??


(@)__(@)
V
{{SHOCKING}}

Posted by: dananjcon at June 12, 2013 12:10 PM (jvd3N)

97 Forget "re-interviewing" and "mass firings" I want whole departments eliminated!

Posted by: halodoc at June 12, 2013 12:10 PM (Fzbp3)

98 eeeew shock face fail.

Posted by: dananjcon at June 12, 2013 12:11 PM (jvd3N)

99 Is today the day that Congress begins to correct this? No? Which day then? Can I get a little check and balance action?
Posted by: dogfish at June 12, 2013 12:09 PM (NuPNl)


There are no checks and balances anymore. The Executive branch is quite literally getting away with murder, the Judiciary is giving the Executive aid and comfort, and the fucking Legislative branch can't get its head out of its collective ass.

The American people have absolutely no voice in their own government anymore.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 12, 2013 12:11 PM (4df7R)

100 I've been thinking for a while that government jobs have become the new stealth reparations. Get a job for life, supported by those racist taxpayers. What a deal. And as an added bonus, you can have 'attitude' while doing (or not doing) your job.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 12, 2013 12:11 PM (Zid/C)

101 Ace, shouldn't that be Carter Hull?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 12, 2013 12:11 PM (0HooB)

102 A surprisingly scandal-free administration!

I'm glad that all the time I spent studying conspiracy "theories" is finally paying off. This week is the first time that I've felt sane in years.

Posted by: Phinn at June 12, 2013 12:11 PM (oFH2D)

103 My husband has been looking for work for almost two years and these pricks get jobs with all the federal perks because of nepotism?

I am beyond burning rage. We serfs struggle to survive day to day while these pieces of shit bathe in champagne on our fucking tax dollars.


Posted by: mpfs, I Will Never Comply at June 12, 2013 12:11 PM (iYbLN)

104 Sorry. You were saying?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 12:04 PM (6T8Ay)



Nothing, just staring at these Kate Upton nekkid selfies.


What's that? Why, no, I don't have a second cousin thrice removed who works at the NSA why do you ask? *shifty eyes*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 12:11 PM (VtjlW)

105 we looked for a hill to die on, but it was just too much work. So we'll just lie out here in the sun for a few days, until the vultures take us.

Posted by: Republicans at June 12, 2013 12:12 PM (SO2Q8)

106 >>>The American people have absolutely no voice in their own government anymore.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 12, 2013 12:11 PM (4df7R)
***
THIS^^^^

Posted by: LGoPs at June 12, 2013 12:12 PM (Zid/C)

107 What I like (NOT) is that now they just tell us they were lying, and they don't care. Clapper, Holder are both like, well, duh, of course I was lying.

Juiceboxers were using that defense for Obamacare not reducing costs.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2013 12:12 PM (W6bkf)

108 I've been thinking for a while that government jobs have become the new stealth reparations. Get a job for life, supported by those racist taxpayers. What a deal. And as an added bonus, you can have 'attitude' while doing (or not doing) your job.

---

I joked about this 15 years ago.

"The brothers walked in with guns... and walked out with jobs!"

Posted by: Keenan Ivory Wayans at June 12, 2013 12:12 PM (JGSJZ)

109 If you can't frighten them politically, you aren't going to get anywhere.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:10 PM (bb5+k)


Million man TEA party march anyone??? you know... the one that everyone dismissed as a non event?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 12, 2013 12:12 PM (lZBBB)

110 Huh. A hereditary aristocracy.

And we're branded the counter-revolutionaries.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 12, 2013 12:13 PM (ZKzrr)

111

ot

This is what the ss is doing with their time. NOT looking for boston bombers...

http://tinyurl.com/opqymwu

After you read this- you will wonder what country we are in.

Tom Francois is an outspoken critic of Barack Hussein Obama- and has a robust Twitter presence. He also likes to dabble with his “paint” program to create funny cartoons. He has never threatened the President in any way, manner or form.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 12, 2013 12:13 PM (XYSwB)

112 5I have an idea that's 10 times better!
Posted by: Decimation at June 12, 2013 11:49 AM (RD7QR)---Piker

Posted by: Extermination at June 12, 2013 12:13 PM (SO2Q8)

113 Scandal Mania - Round #18

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at June 12, 2013 12:13 PM (7mQyC)

114 The new aristocracy will be complete when the dems make these positions hereditary.

Posted by: Invictus at June 12, 2013 12:13 PM (OQpzc)

115 95 diogenes lamp,


we need to make 15 april a day to remember

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:13 PM (LRFds)

116 What's that? Why, no, I don't have a second cousin thrice removed who works at the NSA why do you ask? *shifty eyes* Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 12:11 PM (VtjlW)

Hey! Quit bogarting the boobehs!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 12:13 PM (6T8Ay)

117 No federal employee should be allowed to contribute to a Presidential campaign...period.

Posted by: mpfs, I Will Never Comply at June 12, 2013 12:14 PM (iYbLN)

118 It should be obvious that there is a fundamental disconnect between the online conservative community and the pols--and I do not think I am remiss when I say that the consultants probably already know (or think they know) how to blow us off and still win the primary, and then the general.

They simply are not scared of us who are online.


Posted by: T. at June 12, 2013 12:02 PM (/B/Nv)


And this is very definitely the problem with our own reps. They aren't afraid of us, and they aren't afraid of us because we haven't demonstrated to them that offending us results in bad consequences for them.


Fear and Respect are often mutually reinforcing.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:14 PM (bb5+k)

119 It's sad, but I'm past the grief stage, and on to acceptance.

There can be no peaceful reconciliation with statists. They will start it, and things will burn.

Posted by: grognard at June 12, 2013 12:14 PM (/29Nl)

120 The new aristocracy will be complete when the dems make these positions hereditary.
Posted by: Invictus at June 12, 2013 12:13 PM (OQpzc)


Sen. Bob Casey, Jr. would like a word with you, as do any assorted Kennedy and/or Bush.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 12:15 PM (VtjlW)

121 Nothing, just staring at these Kate Upton nekkid selfies.


What's that? Why, no, I don't have a second cousin thrice removed who works at the NSA why do you ask? *shifty eyes*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 12, 2013 12:11 PM (VtjlW)



You owe me a new keyboard.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at June 12, 2013 12:15 PM (da5Wo)

122
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Democrat Party against all domestic enemies; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully dispense with the freedoms and rights of all those whom I politically disagree with using the powers of the office on which I am about to enter.

[So help me Gaia.]

Posted by: IRS Oath of Office at June 12, 2013 12:15 PM (n0B9h)

123 109 romeo 13,

I was there we need to make it seem small and we need to tell the politicians there...speak to us or we vote you out GOP...

give the mules the whole ball fuck the GOP fuck Boehner...


destroy the GOP then destroy the mules after they give in to Pelosi 2 electric boogaloo

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:15 PM (LRFds)

124
85 -

I'm not saying I don't believe you, but how does that make any amount of sense? You cut people in uniform, then turn around and hire DoD civilians and/or contractors? How many of those civilians are GS1-2 positions? I'm assuming your average private makes about as much as that, when you count room and board.

Somehow I doubt too many of the 800,000 are below GS7-9 jobs, and many many many of them are 13s and higher.

Put a uniform on them, have them do pushups, situps, and run until they can do 2 miles in less that 15 minutes. Then put a rifle in their hands. Otherwise, fire them all.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 12, 2013 12:15 PM (TOk1P)

125 E'rrbody found out in the news just like e'rrbody else.


E'rrbody.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 12, 2013 12:15 PM (tWmgi)

126 There can be no peaceful reconciliation with statists. They will start it, and things will burn.
Posted by: grognard at June 12, 2013 12:14 PM (/29Nl)


They will start it, but say that we did. And history will agree with the statists, because the MFM will say it's so.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 12, 2013 12:15 PM (4df7R)

127 I'd go so far as to say Gov't employees should not be able to vote.

Posted by: Brewer at June 12, 2013 12:16 PM (eV1I0)

128 My plan? Not voting anymore. What good has it done me?

Take care of myself. That black family that's treated me like their own since Emily died. The Cute Cat Lady if she allows it. Maybe one or two others.

Let it burn, or take a torch to it. Same difference to me....

Posted by: backhoe at June 12, 2013 12:16 PM (ULH4o)

129 The new aristocracy will be complete when the dems make these positions hereditary.
Posted by: Invictus at June 12, 2013 12:13 PM (OQpzc)


The Kennedy clan have already got that covered in the legislature. Shouldn't be hard to move itover to the bureaucracy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 12, 2013 12:16 PM (4df7R)

130
I got a big ol' "Republican Platform Survey" from the RNC yesterday. No, I don't think they get it. They're in Washington, where all Good Things die.

Posted by: t-bird at June 12, 2013 12:05 PM (FcR7P)


I do not give them the time of day. No more money to the party from me. Candidates only.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:17 PM (bb5+k)

131
Its like all of Chicago moved to the Dept. of Energy.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 12, 2013 12:18 PM (g5YAm)

132 I got a big ol' "Republican Platform Survey" from the RNC yesterday. No, I don't think they get it. They're in Washington, where all Good Things die. Posted by: t-bird at June 12, 2013 12:05 PM (FcR7P)

I always send those back to the GOP with my opinion of them scrawled in large letters across the page. But i ALWAYS send it back, so they have to pay for the g-ddamn postage.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 12, 2013 12:18 PM (4df7R)

133
They will start it, but say that we did. And history will agree with the statists, because the MFM will say it's so.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 12, 2013 12:15 PM (4df7R)

So when it does start, there's only one way we can let it end.
“To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy.”


Sun Tzu,

The Art of War

Posted by: grognard at June 12, 2013 12:18 PM (/29Nl)

134 It's all about the Remnant at this stage.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 12, 2013 12:18 PM (ZPrif)

135
I'm not saying I don't believe you, but how does that make any amount of sense? You cut people in uniform, then turn around and hire DoD civilians and/or contractors?
---
non-union gun-loving republican voters out
uniongun-hating democratic voters in
a have a diagram for this somewhere...

Posted by: Democrats at June 12, 2013 12:18 PM (SO2Q8)

136 102. I'm glad that all the time I spent studying conspiracy "theories" is finally paying off. This week is the first time that I've felt sane in years. --------
"Sometimes paranoia is just having all the facts." - William S. Burroughs

Posted by: Leichendiener at June 12, 2013 12:18 PM (Xv7f/)

137 My receptionist used to intern at DoE while in college. Guess where her mother works?

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2013 12:19 PM (W6bkf)

138
127I'd go so far as to say Gov't employees should not be able to vote.
---
Second look at eunuchs?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 12, 2013 12:20 PM (SO2Q8)

139 117 - Change that to they should be barred from voting in federal elections, as should anyone who's been on the government dole (outside of SSI\pension assuming in theory they are mostly collecting on contributions) in the preceding 12 months.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at June 12, 2013 12:20 PM (7mQyC)

140 The march through the institutions worked.
And the Left is unapologetic about ruthlessly using the power they have to reward their allies and destroy their enemies.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 12, 2013 12:20 PM (ZPrif)

141
117 -

If it needs to be said: RACIST!!!

You should march yourself to the re-education camp, if you knew what's good for you.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 12, 2013 12:20 PM (TOk1P)

142 Rush is bringing the snark on Rubio. Heh.

Posted by: Marybeth at June 12, 2013 12:20 PM (Ks0w4)

143 OT:
FEMA has denied funds to West, TX, because the severity of the event is "not enough to warrant a disaster declaration", per Letter to Rick Perry dated 10 June

Posted by: Ragamuffin at June 12, 2013 12:21 PM (fzFF6)

144 The best way to handle it is to keep your head down until you can escape.

Posted by: Zombie Dr. Haing S. Ngor at June 12, 2013 12:07 PM (JGSJZ)


There is no place in the world to which to run.

This place was the last best hope for mankind. We either preserve it, or it will be gone.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:21 PM (bb5+k)

145 If we're going to change things, congress would need to remove the Civil Service laws.

The only way we're going to get congressmen who will do that is by changing what they are paid. The current group in office would fight it tooth and nail, but a groundswell could get it passed.

Base pay for congress - 500K with an additional 500K bonus if they meet their goals.
Base pay for senate - 750K with a matching bonus for the goals.
Vp Pres - 2 mil and 4 mil.

Posted by: jwest at June 12, 2013 12:21 PM (u2a4R)

146 The open nepotism part in the Dept. of Energy is the most galling bit for me to read. My brother just recently had a phone interview cut short when they asked him they had a relative working for the company.

I work for the same company but had no idea he was even applying for the job. Additionally, it was in completely different functional areas and in different states.

So yeah, private company that goes all out to avoid even the perception of nepotism versus the government spoils system...

Posted by: Scott at June 12, 2013 12:22 PM (9D2tn)

147 The new aristocracy will be complete when the dems make these positions hereditary.
Posted by: Invictus at June 12, 2013 12:13 PM (OQpzc)

Hell, it aint just the Dems, Jeb Bush anyone?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at June 12, 2013 12:22 PM (XIxXP)

148 OT, but related somewhat to how ridiculous immigration and enforcement of laws areat time because of politicalcorrectness or liberal thinking in general.

I was watching the program American Gangsterslast night about the Shadow Kingpin , Moya in the 90's who was indicted on murder charges.Though he was fairly young hehad afailing heart and was eventually going to die. The judge dismissed the caseand told the prosecutors that if he got better they could reindict him. Of course they were livid. Moya then went back to Philly and went to Temple University Hospital where he lied and was eventually put on the heart transplant list and the taxpayers paid for the 400,000surgery. The prosecutors found out and as soon as he was released fromthe Hospital they arrested him. The judge again released him on house arrest claiming he could not get the medicine he needed in jail. Of course the dude took off andfled to Dominican Republic where there was no extradition though they gave him the choice of staying in a Domincan Republic jail with no medicine or returning to the USA. He returned and they convicted him of 19 murders and he eventually died in jail three years later.

We paid for a heart surgery of a guy who committed at least 19 murders and denied a heart to someone who was deserving. What a country. No wonder the FSA flock here.

Posted by: polynikes at June 12, 2013 12:22 PM (m2CN7)

149 Posted by: jwest at June 12, 2013 12:21 PM (u2a4R)


ANNDDD Make them and their Staff have to follow the Insider trading laws... that they passed with great fanfair... and then diluted with later legislation..

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 12, 2013 12:23 PM (lZBBB)

150 Forget "re-interviewing" and "mass firings" I want whole departments eliminated!

Posted by: halodoc at June 12, 2013 12:10 PM (Fzbp3)


And there are so many of them it is no wonder that Rick Perry couldn't remember all three of the worst.

On that momentary lapse may have hinged the fat of the nation.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:23 PM (bb5+k)

151 OT but slightly relevant: FEMA has denied rebuilding funds to West, Texas.

I wonder how much money they asked for? And I wonder if Oklahoma will get any rebuilding money, either.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 12, 2013 12:23 PM (GoIUi)

152
whos gots Kate Upton nekkid selfies

Posted by: notachanceinhell at June 12, 2013 12:23 PM (jJA/4)

153 That's a mighty big swamp up there in Foggy Bottom. Gonna be mighty tough to drain.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 12, 2013 12:23 PM (0HooB)

154 That's a mighty big swamp up there in Foggy Bottom. Gonna be mighty tough to drain.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 12, 2013 12:23 PM (0HooB)

If we stay on this path the muzztards may evaporate it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at June 12, 2013 12:24 PM (XIxXP)

155 The government is the enemy. The enemy must be defeated from within or without. But to go within is to risk being corrupted by the enemy and his inducements. We are doomed when the enemy has it so much better than us that we all want to be a part of the enemy.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 12, 2013 12:24 PM (SO2Q8)

156 There's a reason Democrats hate producing jobs, and it goes well beyond wanting to create more dependency.

It's because when a resource is scarce, like jobs, people value them more, and will go to extra lengths to avoid losing them.

That's a powerful motivator to put your head in the sand, at least in the short term. By the time most realize they have nothing left to lose, it is too late.

That's why 5 million people aren't sitting on the National Mall today with pitchforks. They still feel they have too much to lose. There's no vacation time to take a trip to DC, or they don't have the money to make the trip. Activism is fantastic if it is convenient.

I'm no better - there's no damn way I could afford to make that trip at this point. I'm too busy paying taxes and for housing.

But that's why we bitch on the internet and nothing changes. Because there aren't 5 million people willing to go to DC for just a few days and show them we could physically raze the whole fucking cesspool to the ground with our hands if we wanted to.

So, even after all this, when do we have nothing left to lose?


Posted by: grognard at June 12, 2013 12:25 PM (/29Nl)

157 I hate to say this but the only way we can fix America is to allow the moonbats to dismantle the military it is just too much power....

too much power too many spoils...too many people not getting the game

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:25 PM (LRFds)

158
What was that word journolistas were spouting off last week to silence Republicans? Overreach, I think.

And as usual lefties use projection to decode the world. We have arrived at the point where OVERREACH is visible to all.

IRS may have won this election for Obama but they have also exposed themselves and opened the floodgates to other departments and agencies.

The more is uncovered the more will be uncovered until we get to the point where no government agency will command respect from the general population.

Obama may suffer any consequences personally but the whole edifice will crumble beneath him. It has already started, Obama jokes are finally being aired. At the moment it's just Leno who is pissed off at his employers but others will follow, the taboo has been lifted.

Posted by: Decaf at June 12, 2013 12:25 PM (AAOE/)

159
The American people have absolutely no voice in their own government anymore.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 12, 2013 12:11 PM (4df7R)


The sensible and productive American citizens don't have a voice in their own government anymore, but the freeloaders and their wealthy herders have far too loud of a voice.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:26 PM (bb5+k)

160 Well, obviously the only answer is to raise the minimum wage to twice that of the best paid government lawyer and the problems will solve themselves.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 12, 2013 12:27 PM (+Ukkb)

161 I took a class from the number 3 guy at FEMA during the Clinton admin (clarity - he was that then, I tool the class afterward).

He said that they had pioneered the use of disaster aid for politics - that they chose people for positions by their political affiliation even among the career civil service. He was not saying to be critical, he was proud of it.

FEMA gives cities money for snow removal. Democrat machine cities, anyway.

West, Texas, will not be getting a dime.

Posted by: blaster at June 12, 2013 12:27 PM (W6bkf)

162 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 12:27 PM (/PCJa)

163 The only question is which do we become first: Mexico, or Greece?

Posted by: zsasz at June 12, 2013 12:27 PM (MMC8r)

164
Ace, this is an excellent point and topic. Keep hammering away and be ready for the Obama statement (in 3-2-1) that "this is just not unlike many administrations before me. In fact, most of these are Booooosh appointees and hires."

The "voicing outrage" approach will only last so long. It's pure emotion without action which has a shelf life of about 48 hours. This requires a gaggle of Congress-Critters to actually propose and complete something. Pick one part of the Federal Beast and Focus All Your Firepower On It. Education, Energy, HUD - it does not matter which one is first. One of them must go.... the others will go.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 12, 2013 12:27 PM (Z5KPR)

165 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 12:27 PM (/PCJa)

166 Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 12, 2013 12:24 PM (SO2Q

You're not kidding. You'd be surprised how quickly 'conservatives' get comfortable with the idea of spending other peoples' money on inefficient trivialities.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 12, 2013 12:27 PM (tWmgi)

167 The Mafia has more ethics than the government

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 12, 2013 12:27 PM (1Jaio)

168 I'm all for going Alinsky on every asshole in the gubmint. I want to bring them ALL down. Every last one of them.

Let's start with that dumbass whore Wan in the IRS who told the conservative group that they had to "respect other people's views."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 12, 2013 12:28 PM (4df7R)

169 Posted by: zsasz at June 12, 2013 12:27 PM (MMC8r)

We're already both.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 12, 2013 12:28 PM (tWmgi)

170 O/T Sorry, but I rec'd email from Senate Conservatives to tell me who to call. Cornyn's Bill is bull, to give cover to republicans to vote for it.

call McConnell @ 202-224-2541
Cornyn @ 202-224-2934

We can't allow these asses to pass that frigging bill!

Posted by: CarolT at June 12, 2013 12:28 PM (z4WKX)

171 Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb in the extreme. With ZERO thought given to 2d and 3d order effects.

f we're going to change things, congress would need to remove the Civil Service laws.

You mean the ones that were put in place to eliminate nepotism? How about just actually enforcing the ones we have. Especially in this case. Oh, and actual jail time (not a reprimand) for violating them.

Base pay for congress - 500K with an additional 500K bonus if they meet their goals.

Goals? What goals? What is the "goal" of government? Like how many bills they advance? How many get passed? How much pork they bring home?

Base pay for senate - 750K with a matching bonus for the goals.

Goals? Again. What goals?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 12:28 PM (6T8Ay)

172 Revolution comes when bellies are empty.


That's when you have nothing to lose.

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2013 12:28 PM (KXm42)

173 Mexico, or Greece?


Posted by: zsasz at June 12, 2013 12:27 PM (MMC8r)

-----
My money is on Yugoslavia.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 12, 2013 12:28 PM (nELVU)

174 Don't look at me. I moved to Texas and voted for Cruz and Perry.

Posted by: Invictus at June 12, 2013 12:28 PM (OQpzc)

175 Close them all down. Solves all of the problems and reduces budget.
We don't need a Dept of Ed, EPA, Energy - redundant/turn back over to what is done at the state level.

Posted by: Bob Menedez at June 12, 2013 12:28 PM (jvnuj)

176 "this is just not unlike many administrations before me. In fact, most of these are Booooosh appointees and hires."

Actually, most of them are George HW Bush and Bill "BJ" Clinton appointees and hires.

Which is the problem.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 12:28 PM (/PCJa)

177 Million man TEA party march anyone??? you know... the one that everyone dismissed as a non event?

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 12, 2013 12:12 PM (lZBBB)


Didn't keep it up, and didn't frighten the real power base which is the Media Center in New York.

The Tea Party barked. They didn't bite. Maybe a nibble or two, but not a real bite.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:29 PM (bb5+k)

178 Regarding donations to the RNC and affiliated groups: I have answered all phone calls by being asked to be taken off the list BECAUSE I AM AFRAID OF THE IRS.

I figure if they see their source of funding drying up for that reason, it might light a fire under them to do something.

Plus, no phone calls!

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 12, 2013 12:29 PM (GoIUi)

179 Sounds like West requested somewhere around $57,000,000 for rebuilding.

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/FEMA-Wont-Provide-Money-To-Help-Rebuild-West-211215191.html

I can't say I'm shocked that this was denied.

Posted by: mikethegrate at June 12, 2013 12:29 PM (dHLuV)

180 168 Mwr,

yup... the GOP passes amnesty I think we need a new third party the Federalist Libertarian party...


the GOP destroyed its brand we need to go empower young Libertarian minded slackers to wreck the machine....

fuck 'em its time to do something new

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:30 PM (LRFds)

181 95 diogenes lamp,


we need to make 15 april a day to remember

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:13 PM (LRFds)


It ought to be the day we chose to hold elections.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:30 PM (bb5+k)

182 Good suggestion Miss Marple.

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2013 12:30 PM (KXm42)

183 The new aristocracy will be complete when the dems make these positions hereditary.
That's ludicrous, peasant.

Posted by: princess malia of noreasteros at June 12, 2013 12:31 PM (9+vDU)

184 So ... no matter how we vote we are ruled over by viciously partisan Democrats who hate us?

As Boss Tweed said, "what are you going to do about it?"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 12, 2013 12:31 PM (zF6Iw)

185 "The sensible and productive American citizens don't have a voice in their own government anymore, but the freeloaders and their wealthy herders have far too loud of a voice. "

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:26 PM (bb5+k)

Which is the basis of my call to increase the payfor elective office to the point that a productive American citizen couldrun for office and not take a financial beating if he won.

As it stands now, onlymulti millionaires can affordto be in office. The only exceptions are people who had nothing to begin with.

Posted by: jwest at June 12, 2013 12:31 PM (u2a4R)

186 In a choice between a Big Government Party and a Small Government movement like the Tea Party, which side do you think government employees and profiteers are going to back?

Government is the biggest, most powerful special interest in existence.

Posted by: zsasz at June 12, 2013 12:32 PM (MMC8r)

187
Can't believe I'm about to say this but maybe we ought to take a cue from the Turks.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 12, 2013 12:32 PM (wAng0)

188
Million Man Tea Party March? Waste of Time. If you want to get atttention in the media make it either:
a. Million Man Conceal-Carry march (now THAT would be fun)
or
b. Million Man Dress-As-Mohammed March (which will have to combined with the Conceal-Carry march).

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 12, 2013 12:32 PM (Z5KPR)

189 No federal employee should be allowed to contribute to a Presidential campaign...period.

Posted by: mpfs, I Will Never Comply at June 12, 2013 12:14 PM (iYbLN)


No Federal employee should be allowed to *VOTE* in a Federal campagin.... Period.


No one who is not a net CONTRIBUTOR to a Government's income should be allowed to Vote for that government... period.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:32 PM (bb5+k)

190 184 MP4,

I'll get back to you on that next week....

I think an adult for4m of the Boy Scouts is called for....start a camping club for like minded adults who want to learn fieldcraft from Military FMs and former soldiers

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:32 PM (LRFds)

191 FEMA has denied rebuilding funds to West, Texas.

The whole f'ing govt is corrupt and the Ocriminal himself has given them the courage to just do it out in the open and step it up now. The Chicago Way.

Slime.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 12, 2013 12:32 PM (g5YAm)

192 Really, this kind of thing was assured once the Federal Government gave way to the Federal Bureaucracy.

Most of the actual constitutional offices don't need a total staff of (guestimating here) 100.

I'm sure that State and Defense do, simply because of their rolls. But a) those are people who are not in decision making rolls (for the most part) and b) the ones who are in decision making rolls get re-appointed by each administration.

Once we ceded the territory on things like Dept Ed, DHHS, and so forth, we empowered the faceless bureaucracy to remove our own freedoms.

Well, I say "we," I mostly mean my grand-parents and great-grand-parents. (Their generations, at least). By the time my parents got around to voting, most of this stuff was already in place.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 12:33 PM (/PCJa)

193 And yet the Dems and MFM keep bleating that none of this was political. The IRS just randomly went after Tea Party/conservatives

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 12, 2013 12:33 PM (1Jaio)

194 The Tea Party barked. They didn't bite. Maybe a nibble or two, but not a real bite.





Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 12, 2013 12:29 PM (bb5+k)

That's one of the issues with the Tea Party. Yes, they are just everyday normal folks, but that means they aren't weathered, hard-nosed political fighters who never give up.

I won't call them spineless, but at some point, you get tired of being smeared as a racist/extremist and you go back to mowing the lawn and washing the car. That's just what a lot of people are naturally inclined to do. It's tough to decide how committed you'll stay to fighting this tough battle when they have their own families to worry about.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 12, 2013 12:33 PM (tWmgi)

195 Can't believe I'm about to say this but maybe we ought to take a cue from the Turks. Posted by: soothsayer at June 12, 2013 12:32 PM (wAng0)

Adopt poor personal hygiene as a national policy?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 12:33 PM (6T8Ay)

196 The new aristocracy will be complete when the dems make these positions hereditary.

Way ahead of you.
Also, Chelsea for President!


Posted by: Congressman Joe Kennedy at June 12, 2013 12:33 PM (jvnuj)

197 That's a mighty big swamp up there in Foggy Bottom. Gonna be mighty tough to drain.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 12, 2013 12:23 PM (0HooB)

It is already fenced in. Just cut the power and communications, and call it a prison.

Posted by: Invictus at June 12, 2013 12:33 PM (OQpzc)

198
Mustafa Koc, Chairman of Koc Holding: http://goo.gl/I4Imn

Posted by: A Broken Hearted Ewok at June 12, 2013 12:33 PM (iF+ba)

199 Let's start with that dumbass whore Wan in the IRS who told the conservative group that they had to "respect other people's views."

I listened to that audio on the radio and no one could figure out her nationality. Her speech -- I can't call it English -- was horrible. To me, she sounded middle eastern.

Maybe that's part of the IRS strategy with Tea Party people, sic the worst agent imaginable on them.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 12, 2013 12:33 PM (U2UQk)

200 of course, most lawyers are bedwetting liberals anyway, they think it's the best path for them to get their totalitarian fix of telling everyone what to do. oh, and to feel superior, always superior.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't write this either at June 12, 2013 12:33 PM (QxSug)

201
172
Revolution comes when bellies are empty.





That's when you have nothing to lose.

Posted by: eleven at June 12, 2013 12:28 PM (KXm42)

The real bitch is that with a significant enough sacrifice now, it might never get to that point. But, because that relatively small sacrifice (compared to starvation) is deemed too much now, we will almost certainly get to that point.

You put 5 million pissed off people in DC for a week, silent. Watching. Blocking cars and picketing office buildings, shutting the whole damn thing down. When thousands of cops are just specks in that crowd, that's when you have their attention, because they no longer feel safe.

It costs people food and travel.

As opposed to their family or country.

But it won't happen.

Posted by: grognard at June 12, 2013 12:33 PM (/29Nl)

202 As it stands now, onlymulti millionaires can affordto be in office. The only exceptions are people who had nothing to begin with.
Posted by: jwest at June 12, 2013 12:31 PM (u2a4R)


I don't see how creating multimillionaires by getting them elected to office is going to counteract the fact that only multimillionaires can afford to run now.

No more compensation for them. No more stock market perks. Nothing. If you leave Congress exponentially richer than when you started, we're going to have a problem.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 12, 2013 12:33 PM (4df7R)

203 186 Zsasz,

excactly...

tyhe Federalist-Libertarian-Amnesty party should run on forgiving student loans and petitioning Mexico to be their 17th state

"why not?"

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:34 PM (LRFds)

204 Hey...it's almost as if the Chicago Way has been implemented at the Federal level. Who could have predicted this?

Posted by: Stu-22 at June 12, 2013 12:34 PM (k4bdL)

205 No Federal employee should be allowed to *VOTE* in a Federal campagin.... Period.

Second look at the First Amendment then?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 12:34 PM (6T8Ay)

206 201 Grognard,

I'll be in DC the week of 15 April....

hell I'll even post where I'll be I'll bring a generator to repower phones and laptops....

let's make next 15 April the world's biggest moron meet up....

I'm in

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:35 PM (LRFds)

207 204 stu-22,


I did in '07

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:35 PM (LRFds)

208 199 Let's start with that dumbass whore Wan in the IRS who told the conservative group that they had to "respect other people's views."

I listened to that audio on the radio and no one could figure out her nationality. Her speech -- I can't call it English -- was horrible. To me, she sounded middle eastern.

Maybe that's part of the IRS strategy with Tea Party people, sic the worst agent imaginable on them.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 12, 2013 12:33 PM (U2UQk)


Sounds Asian to me.....and her name is Sheryl Wan.

Posted by: Tami at June 12, 2013 12:36 PM (X6akg)

209 One of the great griefs of my life used to be that I had no children, especially after I became a widow. Now, I actually count it as a relief to know that the only hostages I have to the future of this country are nieces, nephews, and cousins along with the children of a few close friends. I feel bad for them and their progeny but it is just enough removed from me that I do not have to despair every minute of every day for the rest of my life. I do not know who those of you with families do it. I truly do not.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 12:36 PM (kXoT0)

210
let's make next 15 April the world's biggest moron meet up....

I'm in


Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:35 PM (LRFds)


I'm in with that much notice. Now for a few million more.

Posted by: grognard at June 12, 2013 12:36 PM (/29Nl)

211 Million Man Tea Party March

One of the Cali Tea Party groups organized an Impeach Obama event, on an overpass, and backed up traffic for 10 miles, hehe. Get 'em.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/06/12/impeach-obama-rally-causes-10-mile-traffic-jam

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June 12, 2013 12:37 PM (XYSwB)

212 "Goals? Again. What goals?"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 12:28 PM (6T8Ay)

How about a goal of a budget passed on time that doesn't exceed 19% of the previous year's GDP?

How about a goal of reviewing 20% of federal programs for reauthorization with no program going more than 6 years without review?

I'll bet there are people on this very thread who could come up with a few other goals that they would trade for paying increasedsalaries and bonuses(which amounts to piss change) to elected officials.

Posted by: jwest at June 12, 2013 12:37 PM (u2a4R)

213
Well, now that I'm thoroughly and completely depressed, I'll go do some errands, one of which will be a run to the liquor store.

Drinking heavily seems to be the only solution at this point. My vote sure doesn't do anything.

And Dennis Miller agrees with me: "Don't look at me. I didn't for him."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 12, 2013 12:38 PM (0HooB)

214 Rush wants to know how he can become an illegal alien so that he can stay under the PRISM radar.

Posted by: Miguel Antonio Mahon at June 12, 2013 12:38 PM (K+mtQ)

215 Hey...it's almost as if the Chicago Way has been implemented at the Federal level. Who could have predicted this?


Posted by: Stu-22 at June 12, 2013 12:34 PM (k4bdL)

So did I. ValJar is really running the show. Bill Daley came in and tried to rein in the excesses....ponder that, a Daley was brought in to slow down the mess. For his troubles, he was sent back to Chicago, where he gets to play nice with Tiny Dancer.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 12:38 PM (kXoT0)

216 184 MP4,I'll get back to you on that next week....I think an adult for4m of the Boy Scouts is called for....start a camping club for like minded adults who want to learn fieldcraft from Military FMs and former soldiers
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:32 PM (LRFds)

I like this idea. You know you would be branded as "Milita" but hey, whatever

Posted by: The Jackhole at June 12, 2013 12:38 PM (nTgAI)

217 210 Grognard,

I'm serious....

pencil in vacation time...

we need permits....

go to tea party meetings locally this fall...

time to rewaken the beast and make it bite the GOP this fall if need be....

the world's biggest sit in my friend....

coopt the occutards hell market it there as "Occupy DC"

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:38 PM (LRFds)

218 Whatever happened to the good old days when "government employee" meant lousy paying menial work. Like shuffling papers, painting roadsigns, or filling pot holes?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 12, 2013 12:39 PM (Z5KPR)

219 I am so furious with the alleged government right now that I am honestly apopleptic.

Hey, NSA! Tell the fuckweasel in the Oval Office to go fuck his dead whore commie mother some more and work out his g-ddamn daddy issues. And yeah, you can quote me on that.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 12, 2013 12:39 PM (4df7R)

220 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 12:36 PM (kXoT0)

My wife and I are planning to start expanding our family next year. I'm scared to death and I have no idea how to relay how serious my concerns are when she has the baby-bug so badly.


I suppose God tells us not to be anxious for tomorrow and to rely on Him but you and I are on the same page. I. Am. Terrified.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 12, 2013 12:39 PM (tWmgi)

221 I tell you -- my revolutionaries are in place, and have been for decades. You can not stop me with anything short of abolishing all Public Employee Unions, and you will never be able to do that. Neener neener.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 12, 2013 12:39 PM (hHgxI)

222 NRSC called me last week asking for $ for Gomez as "republican candidate" for special election here in MA. I told man that Gomez should have been dem candidate. He wrote letter to Patrick asking to be appointed to seat, said he donated and supported SCOAMF, would not run for seat, and bad mouthed republicans and vowed to be a "pain in the butt" to republicans when elected.

I said NO. I know that Joe Kennedy will run for the seat when term is up next year. I won't vote for a liar. I know all pols lie but will not cast a vote for one that's been caught lying several times before he's elected. I'm sitting this one out.

Posted by: CarolT at June 12, 2013 12:40 PM (z4WKX)

223 It's nothing more than a criminal cartel.

I have friends in government and my dad worked for the state as a university professor, but honestly whenever someone I don't know tells me they have a government job, I think less of them.

Posted by: Warden at June 12, 2013 12:40 PM (0DlnM)

224 216 the jackhole,

I hope they do call it militia in DC b/c we need to have semi-trained category d citizens everywhere and the Jihadists are already doing this...

I spent a lifetime trying to make leviathan "good" I think it is time to make leviathan "dead"

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:40 PM (LRFds)

225 221 Bronco Bama,

I'm thinking if we start leaving dead fish under your Happiness Gestapo's carts we may cow it

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:41 PM (LRFds)

226 Hey...it's almost as if the Chicago Way has been implemented at the Federal level. Who could have predicted this?

This stuff has been going on long before TFG got into office.

When a Conservative is in office, it can be kept down somewhat, but when the person in office is not Conservative (so... you know, not since Reagan, really) it multiplies like rabbits on viagra.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 12:41 PM (/PCJa)

227 Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 12, 2013 12:39 PM (tWmgi)


One of our only hopes is to out breed them. And to raise our children to not be libtard fools.

Posted by: Brewer at June 12, 2013 12:41 PM (eV1I0)

228 If the NSA and find you, your telephone records, your emails and internet visits, and that of 300 million other citizens, but can't find a trace of 11 million illegals, you might just be an American.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 12, 2013 12:42 PM (U2UQk)

229 I think making a large protest in DC unusual in a number of ways would be more effective.

1) Silence. I've said this many times, but silence is really powerful. You'll never keep a crowd that large completely quiet, but if you could pull it off for a while, it's incredibly disconcerting.

2) No signs. Just people. Average people. Anyone with a sign is a false-flag.

3) No speakers, no leaders. Just people who have arrived in DC to watch.

4) No engaging the media. Embargo them. Don't let the bastards report on what the purpose is. (they already know, but they want you to engage so they can discredit you.) The message is for the government, and they'd get the message without the media.

5) Block them. Stand in the way of their cars, their motorcades, their favorite restaurants, their neighborhoods. Just stand there.

6) Fuck permits. 1st Amendment.


Posted by: grognard at June 12, 2013 12:42 PM (/29Nl)

230 One of our only hopes is to out breed them. And to raise our children to not be libtard fools.
Posted by: Brewer at June 12, 2013 12:41 PM (eV1I0)


Why do you think they're so desperate to bring in tens of millions of immigrants who breed like fucking rabbits?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 12, 2013 12:42 PM (4df7R)

231 What wretched hives of scum and villainy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 12, 2013 12:43 PM (Oql7F)

232
We can make all the suggestions we want but the criminal class has taken over the govt. Both parties have rigged the vast majority of the congressional districts. Both parties vote for big govt to increase their graft. No bureaucracy will give up any power. My only suggestion is to try to limit as much as possible any of your money that goes to the feds.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 12, 2013 12:43 PM (g5YAm)

233 My wife and I are planning to start expanding our
family next year. I'm scared to death and I have no idea how to relay
how serious my concerns are when she has the baby-bug so badly. Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 12, 2013 12:39 PM (tWmgi)

There is no greater need or joy for someone than a baby. I wish you all the best. It breaks my heart that my grief has transformed to relief. I much preferred it the other way around. But, this is a box in which I come to lay down truth, so that is my truth.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 12:43 PM (kXoT0)

234 226 Allen G,

yup... no more squishes if the nation is doomed to be happy face fascists the GOP can count me out...

better a mule bobsled course to ram their dick down LIVs throat and maybe piss 'em off than the cover of my agreeing they are ok

I think we need to start camping clubs and hiking clubs locally

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:43 PM (LRFds)

235 Why do you think they're so desperate to bring in tens of millions of immigrants who breed like fucking rabbits?

Excellent point.

Posted by: Brewer at June 12, 2013 12:44 PM (eV1I0)

236 House committee looks into IRS seizure of 60 million medical records
http://tinyurl.com/l9zthp9

Posted by: UnicornWhisperer at June 12, 2013 12:44 PM (kZilO)

237 >>>we need to make 15 april a day to remember
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077


Oh it was. It was.

Posted by: My checking account at June 12, 2013 12:44 PM (4Mv1T)

238 "I don't see how creating multimillionaires by getting them elected to office is going to counteract the fact that only multimillionaires can afford to run now."

It's time to changecampaign finance laws too.

Let anyone who wants to run for office collect as much as they want from any U.S. source. All they need todo is report it online within 24 hours.

Make it illegal for the incumbent to raise anything at all. Not a dime. Whatever the top challenger raises, the government will match for the incumbent.

Posted by: jwest at June 12, 2013 12:45 PM (u2a4R)

239 One of our only hopes is to out breed them. And to raise our children to not be libtard fools.


Posted by: Brewer at June 12, 2013 12:41 PM (eV1I0)
Ask England how that is working out for them with the muslim families on the dole. One man, four wives producing a baby a year, countless Euros drained to support the creation of more muslims.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 12, 2013 12:45 PM (kXoT0)

240 No federal employee should be allowed to contribute to a Presidential campaign...period.

No federal employee should be allowed to vote. Period.

No one receiving welfare benefits of any kind should be allowed to vote. Period.

And I'll wish for a BJ from Dita von Teese while I'm at it, since that has just as much chance of happening.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 12, 2013 12:45 PM (zF6Iw)

241 Re salaries for Congress: My little impossible dream

First off, freeze their personal assets when they go into office. If the country's GDP goes up 10% they get a 10% bounce in what they had, and if it goes down, they get that percentage seized.

No more speaking fees, no extraneous monies at all.

They get a set salary, upper middle to upper class.
BUT they get docked for failure to show up. Attendance at each session, each vote is mandatory.
Every 6 months to a year, the constituents are given a review sheet for their congress critters, complete with an attendance list, how they voted, what actions they have taken. The people grade them, and the pay is raised or lowered based on that evaluation.
IF the elected official decides to run for a new office, he/she must step down from the one currently held. I'm sick to death of people running around campaigning for a new job while not doing the one they were hired for. Try that in the real world.

Like a said, an impossible dream but If I ran the circus...

Posted by: Ragamuffin at June 12, 2013 12:45 PM (fzFF6)

242 229 grognard,

maybe....

but something must be done...

John Boehner thinks the tea party is his buddy and he is "serving it well"

time to show him we were his master maybe

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:45 PM (LRFds)

243 off bouncing check sock

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 12, 2013 12:46 PM (4Mv1T)

244 239 Sherery McEvil,

we have tools they don't have and should close ranks and encourage our white trash to all try to get on Springer they breed so much

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:46 PM (LRFds)

245 I used to hate Nixon. Not so much now.

Posted by: sTevo, banned at VMcEw at June 12, 2013 12:47 PM (7MryD)

246 No federal employee should be allowed to vote. Period.

That's problematic for a variety of reasons. Also, it wouldn't work (gov't agencies would quietly shift to a "contractor" model).

I mostly agree with you about the welfare bit, though my definition has always been "anyone who does not pay net taxes" which is slightly different.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 12:47 PM (/PCJa)

247
As part of the sequester all these government lawyers should be furloughed and when nobody misses what they do then the arrangement can be made permanent.

Posted by: Decaf at June 12, 2013 12:47 PM (AAOE/)

248 Posted by: jwest at June 12, 2013 12:37 PM (u2a4R)


You've never been a deep thinker here, but even for you this hits a new low in lows. Which, come to think of it, is quite impressive in itself.

You call for "bonuses" for meeting "goals" without telling us what "product" is actually to be produced.

I know this is a shocker, but government isn't a business, and cannot be run like one. It's "product" is equity. Equity (not in the financial market sense) is not a result that can be quantifiable in every single instance.

How about a goal of a budget passed on time that doesn't exceed 19% of the previous year's GDP?

You realize that's a team sport right? And NOT passing a budget works for some constituencies and not others given the year. So who gets the reward that year?

What about people who actually vote the way their constituents want them to? Isn't that a public good too? Shit, isn't that the PURPOSE of representative government?

So does that 19% figure always stay the same regardless of what's going on in the world or in the economy at any given time? What about emergency situations?

How about a goal of reviewing 20% of federal programs for reauthorization with no program going more than 6 years without review?

Nice statement that sounds like it came from some Forbes 100 Corporate Annual Report. Wanna tell me what that means in practice? Do you even know that shit goes on all the time in Federal government and is going on today? ALL. THE. TIME.

No, you don't. I can tell because you propose ersatz solutions to problems without even knowing how the actually government works.

I'll bet there are people on this very thread who could come up with a few other goals that they would trade for paying increasedsalaries and bonuses(which amounts to piss change) to elected officials.

Yea, that statement alone makes my original point - you haven't thought this through very well.

It's just that now I think the reason you haven't thought it through, is because you lack the ability to think.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 12:47 PM (6T8Ay)

249 My husband and I are expecting our first grandchild any day now. Instead of the utter joy and excitement that we should by all rights be feeling, especially since our son and daughter in law lost several babies early in their pregnancies.....dread, dread permeates my joy...and for that, I hate these destructives SOB's more that I can ever convey.

Posted by: Mrs Mittens, de lurking at June 12, 2013 12:48 PM (1VA3B)

250 use Churches to try to set camping clubs....

teach skills from FMs on the sly... make hide and seek orienteering a skill that gets chicks

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:48 PM (LRFds)

251 Lawyers love to congratulate themselves by noting their professional code of ethics all the while breaking every rule and law they can get away with.

It'd be nice if these people would self-regulate, but it's been obvious for some time that anywhere lawyers congregate in large numbers is a place of deep and dense corruption.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 12, 2013 12:48 PM (yKTI2)

252 The only way to combat the entrenched Democrat presence in the DC Bureaucracy is to find a way to do away with the bureaucracy. And that requires shrinking government back to its Constitutionally defined limits.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 12:48 PM (/PCJa)

253
I too fear for my little ones and the country they will have to grow up in.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 12, 2013 12:50 PM (g5YAm)

254 I know we have some excellent lawyers who contribute to the HQ but I still can't help the preface lawyer with fuggin.

Posted by: sTevo, banned at VMcEw at June 12, 2013 12:51 PM (Ue8+L)

255 House committee looks into IRS seizure of 60 million medical records http://tinyurl.com/l9zthp9
Posted by: UnicornWhisperer at June 12, 2013 12:44 PM (kZilO)

Short version.

House committee pats self on back, accomplishes dick, as usual.

Posted by: Invictus at June 12, 2013 12:51 PM (OQpzc)

256
John Boehner thinks the tea party is his buddy and he is "serving it well"

time to show him we were his master maybe


Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:45 PM (LRFds)

I was bitching about Boehner and McConnell years ago, along with many in the Horde. His lack of mettle is no secret, yet there he remains.He is an obstacle, and he and the rest of the GOP "leadership" must be considered as Dems for the purposes of liberty and Constitutional rights.The difference between the GOP and Dems are that one party lies about their principles to mislead constituents about their intentions, and the other party is the Dems.

Posted by: grognard at June 12, 2013 12:51 PM (/29Nl)

257 "That's one of the issues with the Tea Party. Yes, they are just everyday
normal folks, but that means they aren't weathered, hard-nosed
political fighters who never give up."

I guess you missed the point of the recent IRS hearings. They were in the fight and they forced a massive counter-strike from the White House. If it weren't for the Tea Party organizers, we wouldn't know today how far the current Administration is willing to go in order to eliminate dissent

Posted by: mrp at June 12, 2013 12:51 PM (HjPtV)

258 252 Allen G,

this ain't a fight that will take less than 40- years...it will need to have its case made in Spanish sadly....

and the GOP is not the vehicle to win this fight....

frankly I think the GOP is in fact a democrat false flag these days....

you do not fight govt overreach and theft by retaking the govt and "weorking within the system" you destroy the system and use the people angered to do it...

time to start dismantling the GOP...

The GOP is simply Whig version 2.0

STart over and accept the impending assfucking for a long while

we need to pool our resources and start exerting our will outside the system

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:51 PM (LRFds)

259 257 MRp,

damn skippy....

the lesson from the IRS hearings is that the GOP betrayed its voters as much as the donks malused the power they see as a drug.

The GOP's weak tea on this is their divorce papers from me frankly

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:53 PM (LRFds)

260 How about a goal of a budget passed on time that doesn't exceed 19% of the previous year's GDP?
You realize that's a team sport right? And NOT passing a budget works for some constituencies and not others given the year. So who gets the reward that year?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 12:47 PM (6T8Ay)

Let me walk you through this slowly.

Yes, the budget is a team sport. Why haven't all the previous budgets been passed on time and fall well within what the country can afford? Perhaps some on the team didn't give a shit.

By linking a serious bonus to passing it, the team members are motivated to get serious and work toward the goal. If the goal isn't met, nobody gets it.

Don't feel bad about not understanding the concept until it was explained. If you spent your life working for wages instead of being exposed to how things are handled in the executive suite, there is no way you would have known.

Posted by: jwest at June 12, 2013 12:57 PM (u2a4R)

261 Posted by: mrp at June 12, 2013 12:51 PM (HjPtV)

No, I see your point. I'm not saying everyone just threw up their hands and went home, but I know plenty of people that considered themselves to be perfectly in line with the Tea Party's ideals who aren't doing anything now.

They just aren't used to political advocacy. Those are the people I'm talking about. Not the group founders/organizers but the people sympathetic to the cause who still sit back and do nothing either out of laziness or fear of being labeled as a racist/extremist.

To me, the level of outrage with the IRS should have mounted universally long, long ago and should have been directed at the people who have created and/or made this climate of fear and intimidation possible: The Media.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 12, 2013 12:58 PM (tWmgi)

262 I think a rule to ban gov't unions from contributing to campaigns would also be a good idea.

Posted by: cicero skip at June 12, 2013 12:58 PM (3m9Uc)

263 260 Jwest,

again fuck you

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 12:58 PM (LRFds)

264 No federal employee should be allowed to vote. Period.

That's problematic for a variety of reasons. Also, it wouldn't work (gov't agencies would quietly shift to a "contractor" model).
I mostly agree with you about the welfare bit, though my definition has always been "anyone who does not pay net taxes" which is slightly different.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 12, 2013 12:47 PM (/PCJa)


Oh, I never underestimate the ability of a determined cheat to cheat. Sadly, my other idea - you own property, you vote. You don't own property, fuck you, parasite - wouldn't really work either. My wish is to restrict the franchise so that informed citizens like the Horde get to vote, but the slime populating shows like "Honey Boo Boo" and "Hardcore Pawn" don't.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 12, 2013 12:59 PM (zF6Iw)

265 261 The Obsidian Owl,

and we need to be organized and start pointing out the tyranny of this machine...

the kids will eat that shit up...we may have to buy them with student loan forgiveness but guess what we're already fucked on that issue...


Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 01:00 PM (LRFds)

266 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at June
Thank you for link!

Posted by: CarolT at June 12, 2013 01:00 PM (z4WKX)

267 Let me walk you through this slowly.

Dude. No point to "walk me through it"

You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, and taking good government advice from you is like taking modesty advice from Chuck Schumer.

I'll catch your next poorly considered "big idea" on the next thread.

Where it will also be mocked.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 01:01 PM (6T8Ay)

268 "So does that 19% figure always stay the same regardless of what's going on in the world or in the economy at any given time? What about emergency situations? "

Two schools of thought on this one.

First is that provisions could be made to account for war or national emergency. However, this leads to bullshit when classifiying what a national emergency is.

The second is that congress realizes that there should be provisions made for unexpected expenses and budgets that too.

Just like real people do in the real world.

Posted by: jwest at June 12, 2013 01:02 PM (u2a4R)

269 267 Sean Bannion,

Sean we ever meet face to face I respect you enough to listen to how small you think we can get away with making the machine...

the million moron march.....

DC 15 Apr

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 01:02 PM (LRFds)

270 Sean we ever meet face to face I respect you enough to listen to how small you think we can get away with making the machine...

the million moron march.....

DC 15 Apr


DOE, DOL, Half of DOC, HUD, 60% of HHS, 40% of DOT, and 80% of EPA can go.

That's just for starters.

Come say hello in Crystal City when you're in town. Adult beverages are on me.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 01:05 PM (6T8Ay)

271 195 Can't believe I'm about to say this but maybe we ought to take a cue from the Turks. Posted by: soothsayer at June 12, 2013 12:32 PM (wAng0)

Adopt poor personal hygiene as a national policy?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 12, 2013 12:33 PM (6T8Ay)


That would make audits unpleasant for IRS agents.

Posted by: rickl at June 12, 2013 01:06 PM (zoehZ)

272 The decidedly, and in almost every case overwhelming skew towards Democrats in and among unionized local, state and federal employees all over the country has been a fact of life since forever, although it seems to be more obvious in the age of He Who Rewards His Friends and Punishes His Enemies.

This is not a new thing. And if you're not already aware of and pissed off about this obvious, maddening, and imo ultimately destructive near-total lack of viewpoint diversity in the civil service system, then you haven't been paying attention.

Posted by: MikeD at June 12, 2013 01:11 PM (iZiIb)

273 272 Mike D,

Yup...of course the tipping point for "civil service with a nation" is sorta new....

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 12, 2013 01:12 PM (LRFds)

274 Ever since the State Department undermined Bush, I've been screaming to purge all the "civil" servants. The best way would be to eliminate their departments all together.

Posted by: Iblis at June 12, 2013 01:33 PM (9221z)

275 "Oh, I never underestimate the ability of a determined cheat to cheat. Sadly, my other idea - you own property, you vote. You don't own property, fuck you, parasite - wouldn't really work either. My wish is to restrict the franchise so that informed citizens like the Horde get to vote, but the slime populating shows like "Honey Boo Boo" and "Hardcore Pawn" don't.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 12, 2013 12:59 PM (zF6Iw) "
---
Freeholders - certainly worked in the past at the local level, so why wouldn't it work? (keeping in mind this is all in fantasy land anyway) I'm just asking, or is it you just mean it would\can be equally cheated (which I agree). Though the freeholder concept is probably one of the least invasive to track\administer.


There are 1000 different ways to slice it, but end the end your creating a secondary class of citizen, you have too or else eventually you run into the "once they figure out they can vote themselves funds from the public treasury" 49/51 problem no?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at June 12, 2013 01:42 PM (7mQyC)

276 BCochran1981 @ 63: Burn, then rape. It's more romantic by flickering firelight.

Posted by: butch at June 12, 2013 02:25 PM (oE+am)

277
Why do we need more than one attorney in the Dept of Education?
And why do we need a Dept of Education?

Posted by: AJ Lynch at June 12, 2013 02:36 PM (ASPsd)

278 I don't think people realize just how screwed up our gov't agencies have become. When I was in a position where I needed to reach out for help, I went through the process to qualify. Everything was fine, then came the interview.. This obviously unbalanced person with a chip on her shoulder was in charge of my future. She started berating me over the phone, making up rules that didn't exist, and told me "this program wasn't meant for people like you".. aka white.. she didn't know that until we talked on phone.

This was a crazy person. Unbalanced. Not worthy of her position.. not even close. This shook me so much that i've not been the same since. When you realize the type of people who make life and death decisions about YOU, you will NEVER trust the gov't again. We are done unless they fire everyone.

Just think democratic underground posters in charge of your future. Thats where we're at.

Posted by: Heil Obama at June 12, 2013 03:20 PM (QTvb7)

279 I still think "I will bathe in your blood before the children of Babylon!" is a great line.

It has a lot of punch to it.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at June 12, 2013 03:25 PM (hLRSq)

280
I think making a large protest in DC unusual in a number of ways would be more effective.

1) Silence. I've said this many times, but silence is really powerful. You'll never keep a crowd that large completely quiet, but if you could pull it off for a while, it's incredibly disconcerting.

2) No signs. Just people. Average people. Anyone with a sign is a false-flag.

3) No speakers, no leaders. Just people who have arrived in DC to watch.

4) No engaging the media. Embargo them. Don't let the bastards report on what the purpose is. (they already know, but they want you to engage so they can discredit you.) The message is for the government, and they'd get the message without the media.

5) Block them. Stand in the way of their cars, their motorcades, their favorite restaurants, their neighborhoods. Just stand there.

6) Fuck permits. 1st Amendment.


Posted by: grognard at June 12, 2013 12:42 PM (/29Nl)


EXCELLENT suggestions. Truly excellent. We should just stand in silent reproach. Very powerful emotionally.

And refuse to speak to the media - you're absolutely right. They're complicit, and dishonest, and will only attempt to discredit us.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at June 12, 2013 04:06 PM (Z2Bkq)

281 EXCELLENT suggestions - They were indeed.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at June 12, 2013 06:15 PM (7mQyC)






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