Rubio: I'm So Psyched About Legalizing Illegal Aliens and Then Securing the Border Years Down the Line

After this debacle, Mr. Rubio will be the one "hiding in the shadows."

“Let’s be clear,” Rubio said. “Nobody is talking about preventing the legalization. The legalization is going to happen. That means the following will happen: First comes the legalization. Then come the measures to secure the border. And then comes the process of permanent residence.”

Let's be clear: I'll vote for anyone except you for President, including a Democrat.

Posted by: Ace at 06:48 PM



Comments

1 Aaaannnddd Rubio cements his place as a one term senator.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 10, 2013 06:50 PM (GEICT)

2 Rubio has become a disappointment .

Posted by: willow at June 10, 2013 06:50 PM (nqBYe)

3 He's just a total POS. Surprising.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 10, 2013 06:50 PM (Iyg03)

4 "Let's be clear", huh?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 10, 2013 06:51 PM (Lq5WC)

5 What. Are you some kind of big meanie who thinks illegal aliens should not be free to visit home and come back regularly? /sarc

Posted by: palerider at June 10, 2013 06:51 PM (dkExz)

6 Just another rino to purge.

Posted by: Bosk at June 10, 2013 06:51 PM (n2K+4)

7 So, does Rubio listen to the words he says, or does he just like the sound of his voice?

Posted by: Flyguy at June 10, 2013 06:51 PM (BeFHp)

8 Kill this shit dead. Do not let it out of the Senate. Fuck Rubio.

Posted by: mugiwara at June 10, 2013 06:52 PM (hpYnL)

9 et tu, Marco?

Posted by: f*cked again, naturally at June 10, 2013 06:52 PM (omBWL)

10 I still have no idea why Republicans think this is a good idea.

They cannot believe this bring new Republican voters.
We won't really need to concern ourselves about elections any longer i guess.

Posted by: willow at June 10, 2013 06:52 PM (nqBYe)

11 You. Shall. Not. Pass.

Posted by: Gandalf at June 10, 2013 06:52 PM (Fvwhz)

12 Do you just hate Hispanics or all people of color?

Posted by: Average Joe at June 10, 2013 06:53 PM (bN5ZU)

13 Must be something in the Potomac that they drink...

Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 10, 2013 06:53 PM (5RUlF)

14 Now we *all* should start upending Rubio's trash cans.

Posted by: logprof at June 10, 2013 06:53 PM (+iA5G)

15 So now Rubio proves no better than Crist would have been. Lovely.

Posted by: logprof at June 10, 2013 06:53 PM (+iA5G)

16 Spaghetti spined. What a disappointment. Very sad.

Posted by: Tuna at June 10, 2013 06:54 PM (M/TDA)

17 The House won't pass it will they?

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at June 10, 2013 06:54 PM (9+ccr)

18
Ted Cruz is the only one left. Don't disappoint me, Ted!

Posted by: Wodeshed at June 10, 2013 06:54 PM (a9L+B)

19 nevermind, i'm going to skip this post.

back later.

Posted by: willow at June 10, 2013 06:54 PM (nqBYe)

20 Do not let it out of the Senate

Oh, it's coming out of the Senate.

I still say they're gonna do it on or about July 4th. They love nothing more than rubbing the "enemy's" nose in their sh*t.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 10, 2013 06:54 PM (Lq5WC)

21 Best fish tacos ever! No weaknesses!

Posted by: Som Tawyer at June 10, 2013 06:54 PM (SX6wc)

22 Poor, poor, Ace. Such great hopes. Such great disappointment. I feel for you man.

Posted by: assault flounder at June 10, 2013 06:54 PM (Kkt/i)

23 I think Rubio wanted an issue he could separate himself from the crowd on, and that would at least ensure his election going forward in Florida. He chose poorly. Those same people he wants to amnesty will vote against him 60% of the time.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 10, 2013 06:54 PM (3+QKS)

24
What is it about DC?

These lying, gutless shitbags say one thing, and then they get to DC and promptly repudiate all that they stood for when we elected them?

Is the fawning approval of the media that important?
Are the lobbyists that persuasive?
Or are they just ungrounded immoral hacks?

Posted by: rd at June 10, 2013 06:54 PM (D+lxs)

25
Kill this shit dead. Do not let it out of the Senate. Fuck Rubio.

I hope the fuck it doesn't make it out of the Senate....because if it does, the House Leadership will 'compromise' their own daughters to get it to Oboomboom's desk.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at June 10, 2013 06:54 PM (0IhFx)

26 Ass backwards, Mr. Rubio. Secure the border, then we'll have a national conversation about the rest.

Posted by: huerfano at June 10, 2013 06:55 PM (bAGA/)

27 Rubio is a lying POS.

Being for amnesty is one thing (I don't agree with) but lying about it and using those absolutely false ads with Zuckerburg money is pretty bad.

I'm with Ace, I'd vote for a Dem before I vote for Rubio. A two faced liar is worse than one that tells you upfront the BS he's going to pull.

Posted by: mare at June 10, 2013 06:55 PM (A98Xu)

28 15 So now Rubio proves no better than Crist would have been. Lovely.
Posted by: logprof at June 10, 2013 06:53 PM (+iA5G)




Well, at least he doesn't look like an Oompa-Loompa

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 10, 2013 06:55 PM (TIIx5)

29 "They" must have shown Rubio the pics.

Posted by: Craig Poe at June 10, 2013 06:55 PM (BVkEs)

30 Well done, my obedient dog. Your secret is safe - for now.

Posted by: Hussein Soetoro/NSA/BFD at June 10, 2013 06:55 PM (D9NIm)

31 It is better to have loved and lost, Ace,
than to never have loved at all

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 06:56 PM (ZPrif)

32 Are there any men/women of integrity and common sense that can take positions of leadership, or have we allowed corrupt politicians to squander our treasure on unwinnable wars and sanctioned illegal behavior in our leaders"?

Posted by: Weimar Republican at June 10, 2013 06:56 PM (Cnqmv)

33 If Charlie Crist wants to be a Senator, he's got a lock on Rubio's seat.

Posted by: Purp at June 10, 2013 06:56 PM (/gHaE)

34 The NSA put something in that water.

Posted by: Cicero, DOCTOR of Jurisprudence and Shit at June 10, 2013 06:56 PM (8ZskC)

35 Rubio reminds me of the guy that always showed up in the old cowboy movies: "He went thataway, Señor".

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 10, 2013 06:56 PM (Lq5WC)

36 26 Ass backwards, Mr. Rubio. Secure the border, then we'll have a national conversation about the rest.

Posted by: huerfano at June 10, 2013 06:55 PM (bAGA/)

--Yeah, his politics and strategy are as dated and naive as they were in 1986. Hell, they're as dated and naive as *I* was in 1986.

Posted by: logprof at June 10, 2013 06:56 PM (+iA5G)

37 22
Poor, poor, Ace. Such great hopes. Such great disappointment. I feel for you man


At least Fred Thompson didn't stab ace in the back, he just got sleepy.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 10, 2013 06:56 PM (3+QKS)

38 Fuckerberg's fake grassroots amnesty ads have been on FoxNews a lot.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 06:56 PM (ZPrif)

39 Por la raza, todos. Por los otros--nada.

Posted by: Kerry at June 10, 2013 06:56 PM (AYfPj)

40 And this demonstrates why jwest can eat shit and die. It's not that Rubio is deviating in one aspect of conservatism. It's that he's attempting to force this shit through and continuously lying about what is in it.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 10, 2013 06:56 PM (ikpqc)

41 We'll always have Fred Thompson.
Good old Big Dick Fred.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 06:57 PM (ZPrif)

42 Comprehensive = Lie
Call them on it.

Posted by: Golfman In NC at June 10, 2013 06:57 PM (FHlHT)

43 By the commercials, it looks like at least 15 million high school valedictorians are hiding in the shadows.

Posted by: Cicero, DOCTOR of Jurisprudence and Shit at June 10, 2013 06:57 PM (8ZskC)

44 Don't make Gabe Malor cry.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Lois Lerner lies at June 10, 2013 06:58 PM (xw77v)

45 This really brings a whole new meaning to the term "Rubio's garbage".

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 10, 2013 06:58 PM (Lq5WC)

46 Do you know how Fred Thompson got the nickname Big Dick Fred?
It's on account of his giant dick. Mostly.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 06:58 PM (ZPrif)

47 1 Aaaannnddd Rubio cements his place as a one term senator.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 10, 2013 06:50 PM (GEICT)


Just like former Senators McCain and Grahamnesty. :-(

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 10, 2013 06:58 PM (pAlYe)

48
By the commercials, it looks like at least 15 million high school valedictorians are hiding in the shadows.


Probably hiding from our ambassadors. And Harry Reid.

Posted by: Grey Fox at June 10, 2013 06:58 PM (0kU93)

49 Hillary is all rested up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 10, 2013 06:58 PM (lVPtV)

50 26
Ass backwards, Mr. Rubio. Secure the border, then we'll have a national conversation about the rest.


Posted by: huerfano


Yeah, and the conversation should be one Republican voter amnestied for one Democrat

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 10, 2013 06:58 PM (3+QKS)

51

Rubio has the finely honed political instincts of a member of the Stark family.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 10, 2013 06:58 PM (kdS6q)

52 Meanwhile, the LIVOs are wondering what the hell happened in 1984 that it is trending now.

Posted by: assault flounder at June 10, 2013 06:59 PM (Kkt/i)

53 I wouldn't touch Rubio's garbage with somebody else's Ewok.

Posted by: no good deed at June 10, 2013 06:59 PM (mjR67)

54 Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends...

Posted by: JackStraw at June 10, 2013 06:59 PM (g1DWB)

55
So, really.

Are you telling me that there is Not A Single Conservative Issue you can pursue, Rubio, et al, or are you compelled to only follow the Democrats lead on everything?

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at June 10, 2013 06:59 PM (LVtr+)

56 Did he say that in English or Spanish?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 10, 2013 06:59 PM (Gk3SS)

57 I don't want to hear his splain'n...

Posted by: ET at June 10, 2013 06:59 PM (YpjaN)

58 51
Rubio has the finely honed political instincts of a member of the Stark family.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix


Hah!

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 10, 2013 07:00 PM (3+QKS)

59 The GOP seems to have a death wish.

Posted by: The Stupid Party at June 10, 2013 07:00 PM (A+/8k)

60 By the commercials, it looks like at least 15 million high school valedictorians are hiding in the shadows.

People like privacy when fapping.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Lois Lerner lies at June 10, 2013 07:00 PM (xw77v)

61 ooh special edition of special report

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:00 PM (ZPrif)

62 Considering that they can turn on any phone mic they want and listen to anything it hears, and people have been convicted of crimes from the "roving wiretap", it isn't far fetched to think that they are ALL turned on and recording at all times. Before last week it was a far fetched idea, but now it seems as if its probably something else they are doing.

Posted by: That Guy at June 10, 2013 07:01 PM (w2k9R)

63 61 ooh special edition of special report
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:00 PM (ZPrif)

Why? Did something happen? Thank you, the MSM...

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at June 10, 2013 07:01 PM (9+ccr)

64
I'm becoming rather tired of being screwed by politicians who promise one thing then do another when in orifice.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 10, 2013 07:01 PM (0HooB)

65 Let me be clear, Rubio.

Fuck. You.

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at June 10, 2013 07:01 PM (GrtrJ)

66 "Let's be clear." Has this line been focus-group tested in some secrettest facility where political quislings go to learn the black arts? Every liar in politics uses it. It NEVER means they're being clear; it ALWAYS means they're scumbling the truth. Yet they keep using it. It must work, right?

Posted by: rrpjr at June 10, 2013 07:01 PM (fe6dY)

67 new chrome sucks

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:02 PM (ZPrif)

68 Welcome aboard Ace Mi Amigo....

time to punish the McCain wing by any means necessary

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 10, 2013 07:02 PM (LRFds)

69 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 10, 2013 06:50 PM (GEICT)

Bullshit.

He will be senator for life from Florida.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 10, 2013 07:02 PM (z4m16)

70 Why would Boehner even be thinking of bringing an immigration bill to the floor if he knows he's going to be dealing with this level of douchebaggery in conference? Unless he's pro-amnesty, too. So, if any immigration bill gets to the floor of the House I will take that as acknowledgement that it is the official platform of the Republican party that the United States should be destroyed.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 10, 2013 07:03 PM (29vnO)

71 What was the last major piece of legislation passed with the majority of americans in favor of? I can't think of one at the moment. There has to be one recently right?

Posted by: ET at June 10, 2013 07:03 PM (YpjaN)

72 Marco Rubio is nothing more than the successor to the Taco Bell Chihuahua.

Ted Cruz is the only real conservative Hispanic

Posted by: Peter at June 10, 2013 07:03 PM (1kxn7)

73 I have learned to really, realllly hate it when a politician says "let's be clear."

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at June 10, 2013 07:03 PM (7nwJ6)

74 Let us note again: Months prior to the last election John Derbyshire remarked that Rubio gave some political address on the greatness of America to some crowd somewhere. He addressed the crowd in English, then Spanish. Derbyshire smelled a rat, and his nose was not mistaken.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Lois Lerner lies at June 10, 2013 07:03 PM (xw77v)

75 Screw Rubio! He can hang out with the fat bastard traitor Christy now.

Posted by: Christmasghost at June 10, 2013 07:03 PM (lr8AM)

76 We kicked your asses on immigration reform under Bush and we'll do it again, you glib little fu*k.

Posted by: rrpjr at June 10, 2013 07:03 PM (fe6dY)

77 Let me be clear, damn it! I don't every want to hear another politician utter the phrase, let me be clear.

Posted by: no good deed at June 10, 2013 07:03 PM (mjR67)

78 It's not me, it's you.
Breaking up is hard to do.

Posted by: Roland THTG at June 10, 2013 07:03 PM (i/1Qy)

79 I pray someone primaries his ass because hitting the button for him, again, will be a very painful ordeal for me.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 07:04 PM (DPdf7)

80 Is Limbaugh still supporting this shitweasel?

Posted by: Cicero, DOCTOR of Jurisprudence and Shit at June 10, 2013 07:04 PM (8ZskC)

81
27. I'm with Ace, I'd vote for a Dem before I vote for Rubio. A two faced liar is worse than one that tells you upfront the BS he's going to pull.

Posted by: mare at June 10, 2013 06:55 PM (A98Xu)I remember watching an interview of a black man in 1968 asking who he was going to vote for in the election. He stunned the interviewer by saying George Wallace. Asked why, he stated at least I know where he stands. The other one's not so much.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 10, 2013 07:04 PM (2n0fy)

82 Imagine if I had said "We have to let it past to see if it's really a Balrog of Morgoth. Could be a Hobbit with the winds something terrible."

Posted by: Gandalf at June 10, 2013 07:04 PM (Fvwhz)

83 the fat bastard traitor Christy now.

Christie is not a bastard.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Lois Lerner lies at June 10, 2013 07:04 PM (xw77v)

84 Makes you wonder what the NSA has on him, doesn't it?
Like Petraeus

Posted by: Christmasghost at June 10, 2013 07:04 PM (lr8AM)

85
Glad I didn't donate to that blowhard. Bummed that I gave encouragement to others about him. What a waste.

This immigration deal is probably worse than that orange colored fellow would have done.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2013 07:04 PM (g5YAm)

86 A few short months ago, the media were tripping over themselves to wreck this guy. Who knew he would belly himself up more thoroughly than they could have.... Thanks Marco. You actually were a contender. Best to weed out the posers this far out, I can select my candidate with one less decision. YEAH!

Posted by: Baconfat at June 10, 2013 07:04 PM (pLCXL)

87 Is there anything dedder than dead? Because that is what Rubio is to me. Even Toomey wasn't this smarmy about the gun control bill.

Dishonest and dumb is no way to establish your (hopefully short-lived) Senate career, son.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, PhD, MBA (OK, I made that last one up) at June 10, 2013 07:05 PM (r+7wo)

88 Note to ladies: Ace will sex you up even if he finds you on the street corner smelling of rancid garbage, but never lie to him.

Posted by: wooga at June 10, 2013 07:05 PM (vaXnA)

89
did Ace hold this little gem just to save our Allen G from a profanity laced rant in his workspace? Becasue I just went off with a monumental F___ them all rant.

Posted by: rd at June 10, 2013 07:05 PM (D+lxs)

90 Rubio/Christie 2016 FTW!!!

...or maybe that's WTF!!!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at June 10, 2013 07:05 PM (Y5I9o)

91 And they laughed when we said that the Hispanic population would be more loyal to the Mexican agenda than the American one...

Posted by: Karusky at June 10, 2013 07:05 PM (bM5TF)

92 I think the assumption by the geniuses in D.C. is that folks, still needing to stop the Dems, would come back to the fold after a while, having no choice in the oligarchic system.

It does somewhat neglect anybody with talent and nothing to lose taking pot shots at them. Voter suppression, as it were.

Overall, I think Operation "Eat Your Broccoli" is going to be something of a fail, even if they manage to pass their little dream for their business buddies.

Posted by: T. at June 10, 2013 07:05 PM (fBJt1)

93 "Oh goodness" - Barack Obama, Marco Rubio, Boy George

Posted by: Craig Poe at June 10, 2013 07:05 PM (BVkEs)

94 He will be senator for life from Florida.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


He'll have to run as a democrat after amnesty. There are an estimated 825,000 illegals in Florida, and I bet that's a low ball number.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 10, 2013 07:05 PM (3+QKS)

95 Are you telling me that there is Not A Single Conservative Issue you can pursue, Rubio, et al, or are you compelled to only follow the Democrats lead on everything?


***

He hitched his wagon to McCain early on and it's done him as much good as it did Graham.

Ayotte too.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 07:05 PM (DPdf7)

96 Time to vote him out of office.

Posted by: Ray at June 10, 2013 07:06 PM (wl2vr)

97 http://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/email-senator-rubio?p=Contact

Rubio Senate contact form.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 10, 2013 07:06 PM (z4m16)

98 #11 Thread winner IMHO

#20 If they do pass it on the 4th of July, does that mean we can stop celebrating cinco de mayo?

Posted by: FCF at June 10, 2013 07:06 PM (Khja4)

99 I loathe these people.

Posted by: Cicero, DOCTOR of Jurisprudence and Shit at June 10, 2013 07:06 PM (8ZskC)

100 I've never seen anyone so avidly and avoidably pursue the total destruction of his political career. It's really baffling.

Posted by: pep at June 10, 2013 07:06 PM (6TB1Z)

101
speaking of Games of Thrones...

I predict they'll lose at least 40% of their viewers next season.
Nobody wants to invest their time and emotion in characters that live in a universe where anyone can get killed at any moment.

All that story about Rob Stark for nothing!

R.R.R.Martin and HBO string you along and then poof! they decide on whimsy to eliminate key characters.

As a viewer, I ask myself why I should continue watching. What's the point? I sure as shit don't care about the kids in this stupid show.

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at June 10, 2013 07:06 PM (KeJAW)

102 Good Gawd.....you morons have no idea how much money I sent this fucker back in 2010.

Can I get a refund?

Posted by: TehAdmiral at June 10, 2013 07:06 PM (Ojf2x)

103 Maybe I'm mistaken but I don't get this calculus where he has to do this because (a) he wants a deal and (b) Democrats will bolt if he insists on border security first.

Who says?

Suppose, even at this late date, Rubio says he insists on border security first, with real triggers.

What the hell are the Dems going to do? Vote against it? Really?

Posted by: AmishDude at June 10, 2013 07:06 PM (T0NGe)

104 We've always got Gowdy. Hope the NSA doesn't have any dirt on him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 10, 2013 07:06 PM (lVPtV)

105 I feel safer now.

Posted by: Rubio's Garbage at June 10, 2013 07:07 PM (dSE0q)

106

Walker/Cruz 2016!

Posted by: YIKES! at June 10, 2013 07:07 PM (mETGQ)

107 Derbyshire has been officially declared a non-person.
He's off on the Dark Enlightenment Island with Steve Sailer and James Watson.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:07 PM (ZPrif)

108 Posted by: Be Honest

If illegals would vote Republican at a 66% clip, I'd support amnesty. Would you?

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 10, 2013 07:07 PM (3+QKS)

109 Rubio knew about the Tea Party people being targeted.
Did he do anything?

The Tea Party people helped him get elected...so that's why I am wondering.

Posted by: wheatie at June 10, 2013 07:07 PM (ZiafE)

110
I pray someone primaries his ass because hitting the button for him, again, will be a very painful ordeal for me.

Me too. You just know any Dim who runs against him will be akin to The Idiot Alan Grayson.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 10, 2013 07:07 PM (0HooB)

111 Second look at Rick Perry?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 10, 2013 07:07 PM (lVPtV)

112 Rubio probably thinks he can pull his hard right turn before he's up for reelection.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 10, 2013 07:07 PM (ikpqc)

113
#20 If they do pass it on the 4th of July, does that mean we can stop celebrating cinco de mayo?
Posted by: FCF at June 10, 2013 07:06 PM (Khja4)


Hey now, that's the only thing they brought with them that's worth a shit. Well, there is the food, but that's it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at June 10, 2013 07:07 PM (XIxXP)

114 I just hope Rubio doesn't develop next a sincere, heartfelt desire to tackle the tough but pressing issues of gun control.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Lois Lerner lies at June 10, 2013 07:07 PM (xw77v)

115 WTF is it with these people? Are holding office and telling the truth mutually exclusive propositions?

Unbelievable.

Posted by: Blacksheep at June 10, 2013 07:07 PM (8/DeP)

116
What was the last major piece of legislation passed with the majority of americans in favor of? I can't think of one at the moment. There has to be one recently right?
Posted by: ET at June 10, 2013 07:03 PM (YpjaN)


Obviously there has not been a budget that we approve of in the last 4 years. Or a budget that we disapprove of either.

Posted by: rd at June 10, 2013 07:08 PM (D+lxs)

117 Second look at Rick Perry?

Yes.

Posted by: Blacksheep at June 10, 2013 07:08 PM (8/DeP)

118 84
Thinking the same thing. Some brave soul needs to ask him.

Posted by: Tuna at June 10, 2013 07:08 PM (M/TDA)

119
the sad part is that some of you will argue that fake troll

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at June 10, 2013 07:08 PM (KeJAW)

120 ooh, a concert troll. Honestly.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:08 PM (ZPrif)

121 We have to let them into the country to find out what their political beliefs, job expectations, and healthcare needs are.

Posted by: Nancy Lugosi at June 10, 2013 07:08 PM (96M6e)

122 I bet that's a low ball number.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 10, 2013 07:05 PM (3+QKS)

This is racial politics...pure and simple. he is counting on the second generation Cubans and the recent immigrants (legal and illegal) from the Caribbean to vote for him. He'll squeak into the general because the beltway Republicans won't support a challenger.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 10, 2013 07:08 PM (z4m16)

123 We need to start a campaign to get West to primary him.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 07:08 PM (DPdf7)

124 So, ummm. Wonder if some of them dudes crossing the border from the south have beards and don't exactly speak Spanish.

Might want to keep an eye out for them...

Of course you will find out AFTER the fact that they might not be all they seemed to be. Y'know, just crossing the border to get a better job.

But hey, what do we U.S citizens count for anyhow?

Posted by: HH at June 10, 2013 07:08 PM (XXwdv)

125 you know Rubio will be surprised when the Dems piss all over him first chance they get.

Posted by: mallfly, connoisseur at June 10, 2013 07:08 PM (bJm7W)

126 114
Second look at Rick Perry?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 10, 2013 07:07 PM (lVPtV)


You wanna use your bumpersticker, don't ya?

Posted by: Tami at June 10, 2013 07:09 PM (X6akg)

127
With all due respect to you and and the people FL you arefirking brain dead.

Posted by: TxRiverRat68 at June 10, 2013 07:09 PM (YtlEx)

128 lol, we will all be voting for Rubio if he's the nominee and he's the frontrunner as I see it right now. Ace reminds me of these people who said they wouldn't vote for McCain and Romney and those 2 were far worse.

Posted by: Tom Sawyer at June 10, 2013 07:09 PM (7zSvv)

129 114 Second look at Rick Perry?

He was on Cavuto today...looking great and making way too much sense.

Posted by: wheatie at June 10, 2013 07:09 PM (ZiafE)

130 Did I say I'm done with the Republican Party? Well, I'm done with the Republican Party.

Posted by: Cicero, DOCTOR of Jurisprudence and Shit at June 10, 2013 07:09 PM (8ZskC)

131 Derbyshire has been officially declared a non-person.
He's off on the Dark Enlightenment Island with Steve Sailer and James Watson.


It's my vacation destination.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Lois Lerner lies at June 10, 2013 07:09 PM (xw77v)

132 i'm not a big fan of Derbyshire.

Posted by: Tom Sawyer at June 10, 2013 07:10 PM (7zSvv)

133 TED CRUZ TED CRUZ TED CRUZ TED CRUZ TED CRUZ TED CRUZ TED CRUZ TED CRUZ TED CRUZ TED CRUZ TETED CRUZ TED CRUZ TED CRUZD CRUZ TED CRUZTED CRUZ TED CRUZ TED CRUZ TED CRUZ TED CRUZ TED CRUZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: bobbymike at June 10, 2013 07:10 PM (YFPAQ)

134 26 Ass backwards, Mr. Rubio. Secure the border, then we'll have a national conversation about the rest.
Posted by: huerfano at June 10, 2013 06:55 PM (bAGA/) *******>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's like you would shut the water off before you fix the plumbing?

Posted by: Mr. Logic at June 10, 2013 07:10 PM (dSE0q)

135 So did Raul Castro let Gaylord Focker have access to some leverage on Rubio? Like oh your distant relatives can get out and to Miami if you roll?

This is amazing how fast Rubio got flipped by the DC Beast.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 10, 2013 07:10 PM (AKcpz)

136 Then come the measures to secure the border.

If everyone's on this side by then, what are you securing the border from?

Posted by: t-bird at June 10, 2013 07:11 PM (FcR7P)

137 that is what you always say. you'll come running back. LOL

Posted by: THe GOP at June 10, 2013 07:11 PM (7zSvv)

138 *prays for SMOD*

Posted by: jakeman at June 10, 2013 07:11 PM (96M6e)

139 I saw on the earlier immigration that apparently, like me, lots of other *legal* immigrants are enraged by this whole thing. It is a slap in our faces. It's spitting in our eyes.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, PhD, MBA (OK, I made that last one up) at June 10, 2013 07:11 PM (r+7wo)

140 the sad part is that some of you will argue that fake troll

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at June 10, 2013 07:08 PM (KeJAW)


Some?

Seems like most people have the self-control of a starving five-year-old locked overnight in a candy shop.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 10, 2013 07:11 PM (qyfb5)

141 He was on Cavuto today...looking great and making way too much sense.
---

Any chance he was talking about abolishing the IRS? 'cause they really need it.

Posted by: Retread at June 10, 2013 07:12 PM (Oz+LZ)

142 Democrats are a bunch of lying, thieving cocksuckers, but I despise people like Rubio even more.

So, yeah. I'm with ace. Rubio will never get my vote and I'm pretty damned close to voting straight ticket Libertarian/Tea Party/Constitution Party--whichever is running a candidate.

Posted by: Warden at June 10, 2013 07:12 PM (6Od53)

143 You wanna use your bumpersticker, don't ya?


Posted by: Tami at June 10, 2013 07:09 PM (X6akg


Heh, and yes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 10, 2013 07:12 PM (lVPtV)

144 Hope your garbage can fuck itself, Rubio!

Posted by: t-bird at June 10, 2013 07:12 PM (FcR7P)

145 Anyone know where a man can get a Dewars and soda around here?

Posted by: John Boehner at June 10, 2013 07:13 PM (8ZskC)

146 it doesn't seem like there is any one person that conservatives are going to rally aroundon our bench. the years we win the presidency are the years when it is pretty obvious who our republican nominee is going to be likeReagan and the bushes.

Posted by: THe GOP at June 10, 2013 07:13 PM (7zSvv)

147 Posted by: Be Honest


When it comes to racism, I'll have to defer to the experts in the Democratic Party. Lets see, pro-slavery, started the Klan, experts in lynchings and pro-eugenics. I'm sure you fit right in.

Posted by: Dr Spank at June 10, 2013 07:13 PM (3+QKS)

148 Banhammer was swift and severe. Boom shakalaka.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:13 PM (ZPrif)

149
We can't fault Ace for supporting him (or helping him Feng Shue his garbage either). Rube-io talked a very good game. He even had me snookered.

Now, he's just another politician. So sad, because he had a lot of potential.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 10, 2013 07:13 PM (0HooB)

150 What a low-life, dumb-ass, lying POS Rubio (and Ayotte) turned out to be.

Vote both their asses out of office. Permanently.

Posted by: Horrified Observer at June 10, 2013 07:13 PM (/sohm)

151 So, yeah. I'm with ace. Rubio will never get my vote


My friendsshhh...

Posted by: Juan McCain (R) Chihuahua at June 10, 2013 07:14 PM (8ZskC)

152 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 10, 2013 07:11 PM (qyfb5)


So how're the Kates? Cleaned and well oiled?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 10, 2013 07:14 PM (sGtp+)

153 If John McCain had a son, he'd look like Marco Rubio.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 10, 2013 07:14 PM (DLwhg)

154 Gabriel Malor hardest hi-

No, wait. He's been on board with this.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 10, 2013 07:14 PM (JDIKC)

155 Boom shakalaka boom.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:14 PM (ZPrif)

156 Posted by: chique d'afrique, PhD, MBA (OK, I made that last one up) at June 10, 2013 07:11 PM (r+7wo)

I've said this many times. People that jumped through the hoops to become and revere being an American should be pissed.

Posted by: Golfman In NC at June 10, 2013 07:14 PM (FHlHT)

157 141 He was on Cavuto today...looking great and making way too much sense.
---
Any chance he was talking about abolishing the IRS? 'cause they really need it.

--------

Not just the IRS...but cut back on government at every level.
He basically said, that the smaller the government, the less it can hurt us.

Posted by: wheatie at June 10, 2013 07:15 PM (ZiafE)

158 144 Hope your garbage can fuck itself, Rubio!
Posted by: t-bird at June 10, 2013 07:12 PM (FcR7P)

hahahaha

Posted by: mare at June 10, 2013 07:16 PM (A98Xu)

159 We can't fault Ace for supporting him (or helping him Feng Shue his garbage either). Rube-io talked a very good game. He even had me snookered.

***

I voted for him but, then, as now, viewed him as someone akin to Obama in that everyone was going gaga over him because he was clean and articulate.

In early 2012 it got to the point where when he spoke, all I heard was blah blah blah.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 07:16 PM (DPdf7)

160 This is amazing how fast Rubio got flipped by the DC Beast.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 10, 2013 07:10 PM (AKcpz)
I read somewhere last week that Rubio was actually pro-amnesty when he was in the Florida legislature (or, at least, he foughtany proposals for enforcement). It was only when he ran for Senate that he started saying the things about immigration that 75% of the population wants to hear. Can't remember where I read that. Maybe someone else saw it and could chime in?

Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 10, 2013 07:16 PM (29vnO)

161 I saw on the earlier immigration that apparently,
like me, lots of other *legal* immigrants are enraged by this whole
thing. It is a slap in our faces. It's spitting in our eyes.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, PhD, MBA (OK, I made that last one up)



Here. I'll hold your coat.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 10, 2013 07:16 PM (Gk3SS)

162 Wonder how Akin would vote?

Posted by: tennvols87 at June 10, 2013 07:16 PM (j2X6g)

163 *cracks knuckles...other people's knuckles. And by knuckles I of course mean spines*

Posted by: Scott K Walker at June 10, 2013 07:16 PM (OSLhm)

164 Let's be clear. Rubio, we had amnesty without border security in 1986. Amnesty happened, border security did not. And less than a decade later we had the same problem.

You are one of two things.

1. Too damn stupid to be in a leadership position.
2. Lying while placing the interests of foreign nationals above those of Citizens of the US regarding our sovereignty.

We cannot endlessly import peoples from democracies with serious political problems without importing those serious political problems. That is why we have a system of naturalization; The one that your father adhered to. I want more Americans from all races and cultures. I don't want a perpetual Chavez Esque rule. So until we have a permanent solution to illegal border crossings you can take your amnesty and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at June 10, 2013 07:16 PM (0q2P7)

165 This is amazing how fast Rubio got flipped by the DC Beast.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 10, 2013 07:10 PM (AKcpz)


You know how, when you move to a new area, you start picking up the accent?

Same way with DC. You move there, you start picking up the statism.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 10, 2013 07:16 PM (qyfb5)

166 I fell for Rubio, too. I understand Ace's heartache. I feel his pain.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:17 PM (ZPrif)

167 who do we have with more or as much charisma than Rubio? charisma matters in elections, Reagan and dubya had it and the contrast with their democrats foes was stark.

Posted by: Tom Sawyer at June 10, 2013 07:17 PM (7zSvv)

168 Rubio flipped before his 1st term was halfway over.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:17 PM (ZPrif)

169 AndKelly Ayotte? She wasn't the Tea Party candidate, Ovide Lamontagne was. Ayotte won by 1600 votes. “In the Senate, Kelly’s top immigration priority will be to secure our borders — no excuses. Simultaneously, she will work to ensure that existing immigration laws are enforced and is against amnesty. Kelly knows that Americans can solve any problem if they put their mind to it — and she will bring that results-oriented approach to this critical issue.” (votesmart.org)

These fuckers don't make me sad, they make me pissed off. Fucking liars. And they don't care what we think one bit.

Posted by: joanne at June 10, 2013 07:17 PM (Cjcon)

170 166
I fell for Rubio, too. I understand Ace's heartache. I feel his pain.




I think most of us did.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 10, 2013 07:17 PM (lVPtV)

171 I'm beginning to think this Rubio fellow is not completely honest with us.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Lois Lerner lies at June 10, 2013 07:17 PM (xw77v)

172 @156 You're damned right it does. Although, I have skipped the becoming a citizen part until the administration is no longer staffed by drunken idiots.

Posted by: Gingy at June 10, 2013 07:17 PM (aH+zP)

173 TB3K's humming along in top gear. Nice.

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 10, 2013 07:18 PM (c22HO)

174 Not just the IRS...but cut back on government at every level.

He basically said, that the smaller the government, the less it can hurt us.
----
Did he say anything about immigration?

IIRC, he was a bit squishy on that subject during the primaries, wasn't he?

Sorry to be a Low Info moron, but I was a work all day, where they expect me to, you know, work....and I just got home.

Posted by: Retread at June 10, 2013 07:18 PM (Oz+LZ)

175 Since it is summer....if baseball rules were made by the Gang of Eight:

First base:
Tie goes to the runner
Ball arriving at bag first goes to the runner
Ball arriving at bag last goes the runner
Batting team makes call for umpire.

Home Plate:
Runner is always provisionally safe at the plate; further review of his being "out" will be made in ten years, and will only result in him moving to last legal base he was on.

Stealing Bases:
Players of the team at bat, in dugout, can attempt to steal any base, any time. Fielding team can tag one player.



I'll give you one guess who the team up for bat is always gong to be.



Posted by: T. at June 10, 2013 07:18 PM (fBJt1)

176 New Gamma Delphinid post up

Posted by: Cicero, DOCTOR of Jurisprudence and Shit at June 10, 2013 07:18 PM (8ZskC)

177 Banhammer was swift and severe. Boom shakalaka.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:13 PM (ZPrif)
---
Him and 65,000 others on his same subnet.

Posted by: That Guy at June 10, 2013 07:19 PM (w2k9R)

178 Let me put it simply. Will a TANG jet fire on a DHS hostile?

Posted by: Gandalf has had it up to HERE with Congressional Herberts at June 10, 2013 07:19 PM (Fvwhz)

179 Rubio probably thinks he can pull his hard right turn before he's up for reelection.

He is clearly unable to pivot strategically.

Here was his plan: He was going to pass his own version of the DREAM act. It might have even been acceptable to conservatives.

Obama got wind of it and cut the legs out from under him.

So Rubio needed another signature pro-Hispanic issue. Here come Durbin and Schumer saying that they'll have a compromise with a Gang of 8. Well, D&S basically write the thing and refuse to budge on things like border security.

All of a sudden, Rubio's in a corner. He has to pass something, but by now it's worse than he could have imagined.

He's now decided he's bet too much and can't fold on this.

Even if it sounds like I'm excusing his good intentions, this is even more damning. It shows he simply cannot deftly handle the subtleties of legislation and can't smell snakes like Schumer and Durbin.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 10, 2013 07:19 PM (T0NGe)

180 Who got the banhammer? Because I just saw TS post.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 10, 2013 07:20 PM (lVPtV)

181 New Gamma Delphinid post up

Sadly, this is not a kind of sorority.

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 10, 2013 07:20 PM (c22HO)

182 Ban hammer on a Class B subnet. Wow. There went a university or another government entity.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 10, 2013 07:20 PM (AKcpz)

183 I'm going to admit it right up front:

I think a majority in the Senate is important enough that if someone doesn't primary Rubio, I might still vote for him.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 07:20 PM (DPdf7)

184 So how're the Kates? Cleaned and well oiled?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 10, 2013 07:14 PM (sGtp+)


Lightly oiled and fully loaded.

And also, the guns are as well.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 10, 2013 07:20 PM (qyfb5)

185 Second look at Tim Pawlenty?

Posted by: Anonymous Moron from MN at June 10, 2013 07:20 PM (Ks4nX)

186
Posted by: Empire of Jeff




"Confused by the renewed Rubio freak-out. Legalization was always the first thing. Then security triggers start the path to citizenship."



Like the small print on a car commercial....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 10, 2013 07:21 PM (kdS6q)

187 What irks me is a senator only needs to complete one term to vest in that phat congressional retirement plan. A Rep needs to do three.

So basically you can be a complete sellout slimeball, get tossed on your ass, and live large from then on

Posted by: Purp at June 10, 2013 07:21 PM (/gHaE)

188 Schumer is very smart. He's an evil liberal fascist, but he's smart.

Schumer has 30 IQ points on Rubio easy and played him for a fool.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:21 PM (ZPrif)

189 I see that the link say "In a Spanish language interview.."

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at June 10, 2013 07:21 PM (j0wbr)

190 Him and 65,000 others on his same subnet.
Posted by: That Guy at June 10, 2013 07:19 PM (w2k9R)


That's not how the TB3K works - it's an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 10, 2013 07:21 PM (pAlYe)

191 >>I think a majority in the Senate is important enough that if someone doesn't primary Rubio, I might still vote for him.

If Republicans are going to bend over for the likes of Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin what's the point of having a majority?

Posted by: JackStraw at June 10, 2013 07:22 PM (g1DWB)

192 This is the tell:

All the bad media Rubio was getting has died.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at June 10, 2013 07:22 PM (o5R8U)

193
In early 2012 it got to the point where when he spoke, all I heard was blah blah blah.

Yeah, I voted for him too. I'm not too happy, but there was really no one else for me to vote for. Rube-io talked a good game, but screwed us royally, just like all the others.

I'd really like to see some up and comer, rock-ribbed American Conservative campaign on securing the border and standing up to those who'd call him a racist. That's what I thought Rube-io would do.

Silly me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 10, 2013 07:23 PM (0HooB)

194 192
This is the tell:



All the bad media Rubio was getting has died.




Yes, this. When the left begins to embrace you...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 10, 2013 07:23 PM (lVPtV)

195 why does Rush still support Rubio. given he hates McCain for amnesty, if Rubio is carbon copy of McCain on amnesty

Posted by: Tom Sawyer at June 10, 2013 07:23 PM (7zSvv)

196 In early 2012 it got to the point where when he spoke, all I heard was blah blah blah.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 07:16 PM (DPdf7)

I always thought his way of talking very fast came across as shallow and a little insincere. But I didn't give it much thought.

The first really red flag was when he brought up the DREAM act in the heat of the election season when it was clear to everyone that our nominee had a very hard stance on immigration.

And then joining in on the Rand Paul filibuster and quoting some rapper when others were quoting founding fathers and great philosophers and thinkers -- I thought that was rather LIV.

But I didn't have a clue he would be so dishonest and "progressive" in his tactives.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, PhD, MBA (OK, I made that last one up) at June 10, 2013 07:24 PM (r+7wo)

197 Christie's a no
Rubio's a no
Perry may not even run again
Santoru no.
Cruz may decide to stay in the Senate (Lord knows we need him)
Paul too.
Martinez caved on medicaid.
Sandoval caved.
Scott caved.
Kasich caved.
Corbett is likely gone.
McDonnell raised taxes.

There.
Can.
Only.
Be.
One.

Posted by: CAC at June 10, 2013 07:24 PM (OSLhm)

198 That's not how the TB3K works - it's an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.

Time for a Star Wars vs. Star Trek flame war.

Hey, I had more sex in one episode than Carrie Fisher had in sixty years.

Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at June 10, 2013 07:24 PM (xw77v)

199 Even if it sounds like I'm excusing his good intentions, this is even more damning. It shows he simply cannot deftly handle the subtleties of legislation...

*****

http://bit.ly/v2eL0X

P.S. He was in bed with McCain on this as well.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 07:24 PM (DPdf7)

200 CAC, I don't believe Perry is ruling out another run.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 10, 2013 07:24 PM (lVPtV)

201 Derbyshire is nothing if not intellectually honest about what he thinks and in responding to people. His wife is Chinese, he speaks Mandarin fluently, has mixed racial children, is a very well educated mathematician, and has a better understanding of science than 99% of the other so-called "journalists" out there.

Years ago (ten, at least) , I would occasionally write him an e-mail comment when he wrote more regularly for NRO. He would always respond, and sometimes with a pungent or funny comment.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at June 10, 2013 07:24 PM (I2uSp)

202 I would take Rubio over Romney, he's clearly more conservative across the board and did anybody really think as Coulter seemed to that Romney was going to be cracking down on amnesty. LOL that isn't believable at all to me.

Posted by: Tom Sawyer at June 10, 2013 07:25 PM (7zSvv)

203 All the bad media Rubio was getting has died.

*hands Mr. Pink a large Habana cigar*

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Lois Lerner lies at June 10, 2013 07:25 PM (xw77v)

204
I think a majority in the Senate is important enough that if someone doesn't primary Rubio, I might still vote for him.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse




Because if Sen. Mccain was a Chair instead of just a ranking member, all our problems would be over.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 10, 2013 07:25 PM (kdS6q)

205 #83 Christie is not a bastard.
____
I think you'll find after a perusal of The Lineages and Histories of the Great Houses of the Seven Kingdoms that Christie is indeed a bastard.

Posted by: andycanuck at June 10, 2013 07:25 PM (9+vDU)

206 Him and 65,000 others on his same subnet.
Posted by: That Guy at June 10, 2013 07:19 PM (w2k9R)

That's not how the TB3K works - it's an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.
Posted by: Mætenloch at June 10, 2013 07:21 PM (pAlYe)
----
Well I went away for the weekend, and came back last night to find anything I post gets sent to /dev/null, so I must be bona-fide banned for something. Changed my IP, and email, and sock, which is a right PITA because I then have to log into 15 servers and edit the allow host for SSH, but I digress. Anyway, changed to another IP in the same B class subnet, and the post was instantly trashed. 74.5.*

Posted by: That Guy at June 10, 2013 07:26 PM (w2k9R)

207 187
I thank the American people.

Posted by: Lizzie Warren at June 10, 2013 07:26 PM (/djtm)

208 Sorry. If given the opportunity I would NEVER vote for this weasel. I have voted my last "lesser of two evils" or "better than the other guy" vote Ie: Mclame and Mittens. Fuck them all.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 10, 2013 07:26 PM (DLwhg)

209 Schumer has 30 IQ points on Rubio easy and played him for a fool.

Schumer's also a liar and a real slimeball. And fascist is right, just to pick one example, he pushed to ban the sale of alcoholic beverages with caffeine in them.

Maybe he's paying off a constituent or donor, but I think he's just a slimeball who gets off on controlling people.

Rule #1 in the US Senate: Do not make a deal with Schumer.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 10, 2013 07:26 PM (T0NGe)

210 179 Rubio probably thinks he can pull his hard right turn before he's up for reelection.

He is clearly unable to pivot strategically.

Here was his plan: He was going to pass his own version of the DREAM act. It might have even been acceptable to conservatives.

Obama got wind of it and cut the legs out from under him.

So Rubio needed another signature pro-Hispanic issue. Here come Durbin and Schumer saying that they'll have a compromise with a Gang of 8. Well, D&S basically write the thing and refuse to budge on things like border security.

All of a sudden, Rubio's in a corner. He has to pass something, but by now it's worse than he could have imagined.

He's now decided he's bet too much and can't fold on this.

Even if it sounds like I'm excusing his good intentions, this is even more damning. It shows he simply cannot deftly handle the subtleties of legislation and can't smell snakes like Schumer and Durbin.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 10, 2013 07:19 PM (T0NGe)


I've said the exact same thing about his efforts with the Dream act and needing to latch on to a new Hispanic outreach effort several times on this blog

Stop quoting back my thoughts :p

Posted by: Buzzion at June 10, 2013 07:26 PM (ikpqc)

211 174...Did he say anything about immigration?
IIRC, he was a bit squishy on that subject during the primaries, wasn't he?


No, Perry has always been firm about securing the border first...then figure out the best thing to do about immigration.

He has illegals rounded up all the time, but he doesn't have the power to deport them.
That's the federal govt's job.

He got branded as asquish...wrongly...because of that 'have a heart' remark he made...with regard to letting the children of illegals, who have been living here and graduate from high school here, being allowed to pay In-State Tuition Rates.
Not free tuition...just allowed to pay the In-State rate.

Posted by: wheatie at June 10, 2013 07:26 PM (ZiafE)

212 He would always respond, and sometimes with a pungent or funny comment.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at June 10, 2013 07:24 PM (I2uSp)
That doesn't undo what he said.
Fuck him with a poison-dart-lined cactus.

Posted by: CAC at June 10, 2013 07:26 PM (OSLhm)

213 I told you guys this 2 years ago: Even Marco Rubio isn't really Marco Rubio. The guy is 1/3 substance, 1/3 marketing, and 1/3 wishful thinking for the Great GOP Hispanic Hope.

Not a bad guy, but he can't carry Ted Cruz's jockstrap. He's a Tallahassee deal-cutter shifter compromiser. THAT'S how you get to be Speaker of the House, in ANY State House.

Still far superior to Charlie Crist, tho.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at June 10, 2013 07:26 PM (FWwQD)

214 I know who can save this party!

Posted by: Luap Nor at June 10, 2013 07:26 PM (Aif/5)

215
My, uh, Tim Pawlenty's wife has never owned a horse.

Posted by: Anonymous Moron from MN at June 10, 2013 07:27 PM (Ks4nX)

216 I know who can save this party!
Posted by: Luap Nor at June 10, 2013 07:26 PM (Aif/5)

HIS NAME RHYMES WITH STALKER

Posted by: CAC at June 10, 2013 07:27 PM (OSLhm)

217 That's not how the TB3K works - it's an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.


Posted by: Mætenloch at June 10, 2013 07:21 PM (pAlYe)


PRO TIP: Invest in a good thermal exhaust port cover.

Posted by: Grand Moff Tarkin at June 10, 2013 07:27 PM (8ZskC)

218 And then joining in on the Rand Paul filibuster and quoting some rapper when others were quoting founding fathers and great philosophers and thinkers -- I thought that was rather LIV

***

He had no intention of joining Rand's filibuster. He did so as a direct result from constituents such as myself calling his office.

When I called, they made it clear with their "Rand Paul has the floor and nobody else can speak" that they had not even considered it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 07:27 PM (DPdf7)

219 what I don't like about Derbyshire is he takes shot at rush and Hannity and Levin, says radio is low brow while imply he is high brow but then you look at his stuff and he sounds a lot like rush but then he says some stuff you expect to see on Stormfront. I think he exaggerates his skill at math too, maybe a certain type of math. if he was the man at math he'd be making big time money in advanced engineering somewhere.

Posted by: Tom Sawyer at June 10, 2013 07:28 PM (7zSvv)

220 tactics, not tactives. Darn autocorrect. Oh wait, I'm using my computer. Hmmm.... I'm sure someone else is to blame.

I blame Bush.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, PhD, MBA (OK, I made that last one up) at June 10, 2013 07:28 PM (r+7wo)

221 188
Schumer is very smart. He's an evil liberal fascist, but he's smart.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:21 PM (ZPrif)

He could be a Bond villain.


Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 10, 2013 07:28 PM (Bcaz1)

222 Derbyshire is nothing if not intellectually honest about what he thinks and in responding to people.

Furthermore he is more than willing to discuss criticism of his arguments when the counter-arguments are germane to what he has put forth. Unfortunately most conservatives shunned him because You Can't Say That Out Loud instead of tackling his arguments or refuting his supporting evidence.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Lois Lerner lies at June 10, 2013 07:28 PM (xw77v)

223 Schumer is evil. But he has a genius level IQ. 1600 SAT. Quiz show kid. Academic whiz kid.

Schumer is really, really smart. Rubio is not.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:28 PM (ZPrif)

224 Well I went away for the weekend, and came back last night to find anything I post gets sent to /dev/null, so I must be bona-fide banned for something. Changed my IP, and email, and sock, which is a right PITA because I then have to log into 15 servers and edit the allow host for SSH, but I digress. Anyway, changed to another IP in the same B class subnet, and the post was instantly trashed. 74.5.*
Posted by: That Guy at June 10, 2013 07:26 PM (w2k9R)


Did your comments appear at all or did you get a message that your ip was banned?

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 10, 2013 07:28 PM (pAlYe)

225 perry's always been weak on immigration. if you going to flog Rubio got to flog perry too on that issue. Rubio probably more conservative than perry on the other issues too.

Posted by: Tom Sawyer at June 10, 2013 07:29 PM (7zSvv)

226 Ugh. Severe storm here. Later.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 10, 2013 07:29 PM (lVPtV)

227 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 07:24 PM (DPdf7)

Meh. Expand NATO, do not expand NATO. I think NATO is outdated, but this is a minor thing.

And there's always the double-edged sword on foreign policy: One reason to support expanded NATO membership is to stick it to the Russians.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 10, 2013 07:29 PM (T0NGe)

228 Derbyshire is a good man. And he already got hit with poison darts -- it's called cancer.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:30 PM (ZPrif)

229 200 CAC, I don't believe Perry is ruling out another run.

Perry's going to have to decide first, if he wants to run for reelection next year...as governor.

Personally, I would like to see him devote full time towards running for Pres in 2016.

Posted by: wheatie at June 10, 2013 07:30 PM (ZiafE)

230 HIS NAME RHYMES WITH STALKER
------------
Walker, Texas Ranger?

Posted by: Adam at June 10, 2013 07:30 PM (Aif/5)

231 223.

Genius level IQ and genius are two different things.

Posted by: T. at June 10, 2013 07:30 PM (fBJt1)

232 There.
Can.
Only.
Be.
One.
Posted by: CAC at June 10, 2013 07:24 PM (OSLhm)

Sarah Palin 2016: Fuck it, She's not going left in office.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at June 10, 2013 07:31 PM (o5R8U)

233 Did your comments appear at all or did you get a message that your ip was banned?
Posted by: Mætenloch at June 10, 2013 07:28 PM (pAlYe)
----
It goes through, but never appears, and no error message. Its like it never happened. I'm on a proxy right now, and they post just fine. At first I thought maybe I got drunk and posted something offensive, but spent the weekend at a summer camp, where alcohol isn't allowed :-)

Posted by: That Guy at June 10, 2013 07:31 PM (w2k9R)

234 for Sen Rubio

http://news.yahoo.com/nations-breadbasket-latinos-stuck-poverty-120309988.html

Posted by: mallfly, connoisseur at June 10, 2013 07:31 PM (bJm7W)

235 I know who can save this party!

Posted by: Luap Nor at June 10, 2013 07:26 PM (Aif/5)

Too old for this.

Posted by: Torep Ssor at June 10, 2013 07:31 PM (mETGQ)

236 CAC stoner thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 07:31 PM (DPdf7)

237 216
I know who can save this party!

HIS NAME RHYMES WITH STALKER

Posted by: CAC at June 10, 2013 07:27 PM (OSLhm)

Deathstalker and the Warriors From Hell

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 10, 2013 07:31 PM (Bcaz1)

238 HIS NAME RHYMES WITH STALKER
------------
Walker, Texas Ranger?
Posted by: Adam at June 10, 2013 07:30 PM (Aif/5)
Chuck Norris wishes his balls were as large as the Wisconsin Honeybadger

Posted by: CAC at June 10, 2013 07:31 PM (OSLhm)

239 I must be being redirected to the NSA moderation queue, and they are sleeping.

Posted by: That Guy at June 10, 2013 07:32 PM (w2k9R)

240
you'll come around. you always do.LOL
send cash now.

Posted by: The GOP at June 10, 2013 07:32 PM (7zSvv)

241 Deathstalker and the Warriors From Hell

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 10, 2013 07:31 PM (Bcaz1)
Sadly it wasn't a Tubular Boobular Joy

Posted by: CAC at June 10, 2013 07:32 PM (OSLhm)

242 He basically said, that the smaller the government, the less it can hurt us.


They know how to pitch to their audience, at any given time.

Posted by: Jeanne of the North at June 10, 2013 07:32 PM (thHR6)

243
I already committed to no longer voting in federal elections so making a choice like voting for a Rubio doesn't even cross my radar anymore. If the repubs lose every seat, the faster the collapse comes. Besides Rubio proves there really is no difference in those two parties.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2013 07:33 PM (g5YAm)

244 It goes through, but never appears, and no error message. Its like it never happened. I'm on a proxy right now, and they post just fine. At first I thought maybe I got drunk and posted something offensive, but spent the weekend at a summer camp, where alcohol isn't allowed :-)
Posted by: That Guy at June 10, 2013 07:31 PM (w2k9R)


Sounds like Pixy's anti-spam filter. Send me your ip address and I'll have him remove it from the list.

Posted by: Mætenloch at June 10, 2013 07:33 PM (pAlYe)

245 WHY would they do anything Obama wants now?!?!?!?

they have about a dozen god-given horrific scandals, including the hated-by everyone IRS illegally screwing republicans and the NSA spying on every American, headed up by the woman who freaking lied to the entire country about Benghazi-all giant fuck-yous from the WH-and instead they push amnesty that absolutely NO ONE but the left wants?

Why give TFG a win?

Rubio, Christie, Ayotte....kneecapping themselves not even 6 months after the 2012 election?!

Posted by: goldiocks at June 10, 2013 07:33 PM (1kxWc)

246 Tim Pawlenty ate 29 corn dogs at the IA state fair. That's a man of the people in my book.

Posted by: Anonymous Moron from MN at June 10, 2013 07:33 PM (Ks4nX)

247 >>>LOL that isn't believable at all to me.

That question is now academic. Romney will not likely run again. Traditionally you get one shot at the big seat.

Two. Do you think amnesty has 0 consequences? If we do the same thing we did in '86, we'll have the same problem over and over again. And as we wholesale import populations from other countries, we will wholesale import their political problems with them.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at June 10, 2013 07:34 PM (0q2P7)

248 You know how, when you move to a new area, you start picking up the accent?
Same way with DC. You move there, you start picking up the statism.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 10, 2013 07:16 PM (qyfb5)



Or maybe DC replaces them with Pod people - it certainly explains their tendency to point at conservatives and screech "raaaaaaaacist!"

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 10, 2013 07:34 PM (v3pYe)

249 He basically said, that the smaller the government, the less it can hurt us.


They know how to pitch to their audience, at any given time.



Honestly, all of them are just figureheads in an organization designed to separate you from your money. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Cicero, DOCTOR of Jurisprudence and Shit at June 10, 2013 07:34 PM (8ZskC)

250 Somewhere Tom Tancredo is laughing his ass off.

Posted by: Icedog at June 10, 2013 07:34 PM (3qKP/)

251 245 WHY would they do anything Obama wants now?!?!?!?

they have about a dozen god-given horrific scandals, including the hated-by everyone IRS illegally screwing republicans and the NSA spying on every American, headed up by the woman who freaking lied to the entire country about Benghazi-all giant fuck-yous from the WH-and instead they push amnesty that absolutely NO ONE but the left wants?

Why give TFG a win?

Rubio, Christie, Ayotte....kneecapping themselves not even 6 months after the 2012 election?!
Posted by: goldiocks at June 10, 2013 07:33 PM (1kxWc)

Think backwards and you can figure it out.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at June 10, 2013 07:34 PM (o5R8U)

252 Sounds like Pixy's anti-spam filter. Send me your ip address and I'll have him remove it from the list.
Posted by: Mætenloch at June 10, 2013 07:33 PM (pAlYe)
---
OK, its 74.5.144.61 - I guess posting it doesn't matter with the present gov privacy revelations.

Posted by: That Guy at June 10, 2013 07:35 PM (w2k9R)

253 Do not expand NATO.

Why, why on God's Green Earth should it be expanded?

can't (and NATO can't ) fulfill their present obligations. The Euros just want Uncle Sugar to write them checks to defend them and use NATO to manipulate American military power.

Extended and expanded defense treaties with too many signatories are a recipe to get us involved in somebody else's fight.

Turkey getting involved in Syria is a prime example. Turkey being a NATO member. This could bring us in direct confrontation with Russia. For Turkey and Syria.

Stop the madness.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at June 10, 2013 07:35 PM (I2uSp)

254 Second look at Rick Perry?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 10, 2013 07:07 PM (lVPtV)

Yes, yes, and yes. Saw him on Cavuto (and shouted RICK PERRY!!!!!). I fucking hateeveryone ('specially Rick "Sweaters" Santorum)who constantly misstatedPerry's postion on amnesty.

Posted by: joanne at June 10, 2013 07:35 PM (Cjcon)

255
Oooh, lookie what I found. A slightly less stink turd. I think I'll polish it and turn it into a creation I like to call.......Marco McCain.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 10, 2013 07:37 PM (DLwhg)

256 That little farce you played with my Horde.... did you really think that could fool an Ewok? I'm putting you on a plane to Havana. Only don't tell me you're innocent. Because it insults my intelligence. Makes me very angry.

Posted by: Michael "Ace" Corleone at June 10, 2013 07:37 PM (dvRYt)

257 Why give TFG a win?



Rubio, Christie, Ayotte....kneecapping themselves not even 6 months after the 2012 election?!


Because they actually aren't conservatives. They sometimes play one on TV.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 10, 2013 07:37 PM (g5YAm)

258 Turkey getting involved in Syria is a prime example. Turkey being a NATO member. This could bring us in direct confrontation with Russia. For Turkey and Syria.

Stop the madness.

***

Rubio's attempt to place us in a position to defend Georgia against Russia at a time when Georgia was the aggressor was stupid.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 07:37 PM (DPdf7)

259 242...They know how to pitch to their audience, at any given time.

Except, in Rick Perry's case...he has a long record of good executive experience.
Conservative executive experience.


Posted by: wheatie at June 10, 2013 07:38 PM (ZiafE)

260 Schumer is evil. But he has a genius level IQ. 1600 SAT. Quiz show kid. Academic whiz kid.

Schumer is really, really smart. Rubio is not.Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 07:28 PM (ZPrif)
Sailer had a bunch of posts on this a couple of weeks ago. Schumer worked for Stanley Kaplan (the guy who started the test prep industry) in high school at a time when there was a much smaller universe of questions available for the SAT so it was theoretically possible for Schumer to have just memorized all of the questions and answers. Also, Kaplan was quoted as saying that Schumer "almost" got perfect scores. It wasn't until later that Schumer started going along with (or promoting) the idea that he had perfect SATs. He's definitely a very smart guy, but probably not that smart. Rubio, on the other hand, is precisely as stupid as he appears.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 10, 2013 07:38 PM (29vnO)

261 Conservative's nightmare....2016 GOP candidates: Rubio, McCain and Christie.

Posted by: Icedog at June 10, 2013 07:39 PM (3qKP/)

262 After getting elected, Rubio has made it a point to keep his distance from the Tea Party. He evidently feels more at home with the other RINOs.

Posted by: waelse1 at June 10, 2013 07:40 PM (lmdBa)

263 261 Conservative's nightmare....2016 GOP candidates: Rubio, McCain and Christie.

I would add Jeb Bush to this list.

Posted by: wheatie at June 10, 2013 07:41 PM (ZiafE)

264 Greta Van Susteren ‏@gretawire 4m
Guardian reporting Germ's Angela Merkel is going to ask PRes Obama for answers about the US collection of data

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 07:41 PM (DPdf7)

265 Gracias, Marco. You eat free for life at my taco truck, amigo.

Posted by: Manuel Labor at June 10, 2013 07:41 PM (wAQA5)

266 Conservative's nightmare....2016 GOP candidates: Rubio, McCain and Christie.Posted by: Icedog at June 10, 2013 07:39 PM .............The GOP can run every RINO up the flagpole for all I care. I will never hold my nose again. I've done it too many times. The GOP is counting on this. No longer for me. I do feel bad for the next person from the RNC that calls looking for donations. I am going to earfuck them sans lube.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 10, 2013 07:42 PM (DLwhg)

267 Rubio delenda est

Posted by: Bill C at June 10, 2013 07:42 PM (tr4Hu)

268 Fuck you Rubio. You will never get a vote from me.

Posted by: CDR M at June 10, 2013 07:42 PM (dKV5k)

269 perry's always been weak on immigration. if you going to flog Rubio got to flog perry too on that issue. Rubio probably more conservative than perry on the other issues too.
Posted by: Tom Sawyer at June 10, 2013 07:29 PM (7zSvv)

Fuck you. And learn to spell and punctuate, motherfucker.

Posted by: joanne at June 10, 2013 07:43 PM (Cjcon)

270 261 Conservative's nightmare....2016 GOP candidates: Rubio, McCain and Christie.
Posted by: Icedog at June 10, 2013 07:39 PM (3qKP/)



Yup, seen that movie. Ends very badly.

Posted by: CDR M at June 10, 2013 07:44 PM (dKV5k)

271 Shall I give this Rubio chap a drubbing for good measure?

Posted by: Richard Windsor at June 10, 2013 07:44 PM (G9Mmf)

272 Rick Perry has repeatedly said that he's against Amnesty...and against anything that resembles it.

He has referred to when Reagan "fell for it" and called it a mistake.

Posted by: wheatie at June 10, 2013 07:45 PM (ZiafE)

273 BTW, I have a theory.

I think that, left unsaid from amnesty advocates is the reason they think that Hispanics will go GOP and it isn't just being thankful.

I think they see a "work culture" in Hispanic migrants. Yes, there is plenty of FSA, especially when it comes to chain migration, but the idea is that especially Mexicans see themselves as very hard workers and that the hard work of somebody lead them to success.

Right now the welfare state is being Cloward-Pivened by Obama and the bills will come due. When they do, the "work culture" will resent the "welfare culture" that Mexicans associate with blacks.

You can see why, if true, it's unspoken.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 10, 2013 07:47 PM (T0NGe)

274 Marco Rubio has been persuaded to believe amnesty is inevitable, unstoppable, and has been told that he'll be able to ride that wave into the presidency. They're telling him this immigration deal will give him broad-based appeal; after all, the Tea Party/conservative base comprising only what?Less than aquarter of the Republican vote, if that? And then, of course, there's the star factor among Latino voters, many of whom (he's been told) will view him as their champion. George W. Bush had 34% of the Latino vote at one point. Now, imagine Rubio riding high with 40-50% of the Latino vote in 2016. He thinks he'll grab the moderate Republicans in the primary because he'll have the favor of the GOP Establishment, and that the conservative base will come around in the general election just as they always do.

That's what I believe Rubio believes. That's why I believe he's doing what he's doing. Unfortunately for him, it's all a lie. Watch. You know I'm right.

Posted by: troyriser at June 10, 2013 07:47 PM (vtiE6)

275 He got branded as asquish...wrongly...because of
that 'have a heart' remark he made...with regard to letting the children
of illegals, who have been living here and graduate from high school
here, being allowed to pay In-State Tuition Rates.

Not free tuition...just allowed to pay the In-State rate.





Posted by: wheatie
====

Thanks for the details, wheatie. I'd forgotten them.


Posted by: Retread at June 10, 2013 07:48 PM (Oz+LZ)

276 240
"you'll come around. you always do.LOL
send cash now."

Isn't that the truth?

Posted by: John McCain at June 10, 2013 07:49 PM (1t4mr)

277
If this guy can sound so good when running for office and then turn into this?
What hope do we got, right now it is Cruz or Bust.

Posted by: hogndude at June 10, 2013 07:49 PM (EZTwi)

278
Oh.....and Fuck You Rubio!!

Posted by: hogndude at June 10, 2013 07:51 PM (EZTwi)

279 Derb actually was a computer programmer for much of his life, and has written books about mathematics which even liberals bought.

As for your stormfront slur, Derb was out there debunking Kevin MacDonald's shit years ago.

Tom Sawyer, in short, you're wrong again.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 10, 2013 07:51 PM (wAmz2)

280 Those illegals were able to get state subsidized scholarship money too so yeah I paid was forced to pay for some of their college.

Posted by: polynikes at June 10, 2013 07:53 PM (eb70/)

281 "He thinks he'll grab the moderate Republicans in the primary because he'll have the favor of the GOP Establishment, and that the conservative base will come around in the general election just as they always do."..........Oh I have no doubt that the little bitch that he is thinks that. Perhaps I am alone, but I will not vote for another backstabbing McCain wannabe. NO FUCKING WAY. FUCK YOU MARCO McCAIN!

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 10, 2013 07:53 PM (DLwhg)

282 I see people joking about "they must have showed him the pictures".

The thing is - I think we pretty much have to assume that has been going on for some time.

The Republicans have a reputation for being bad at power so how much NSA style persuasion would it really take to tip things in your favor?

Just a handful of congressmen, just a couple of Senators and the impossible becomes the possible.

"So... congressman.... the reason I wanted the Attorney General to meet with you is because we notices a number of calls from your office to a known escort service. As your friend, we thought we should warn you that this sort of thing can be very disruptive in an election year."

"No need to thank us, just remember that friends look out for each other and we hope you'll be looking out for us on that vote next week...."


Yeah - something tells me they wouldn't even be able to muster that kind of faux respect when they blackmail people.

Posted by: Intimidate Restrict Suppress at June 10, 2013 07:54 PM (EsxAc)

283 Ace, you were the one who was digging through his trash and masturbating on the contents.

Surely you saw this...cumming.

*puts on sunglasses*

Posted by: JohnKerryIsADoucheBag at June 10, 2013 07:54 PM (6sqK6)

284 That thing regarding your mouth. This time we super duper promise that we won't. Seriously you guys. Honest.

Posted by: THE GOP at June 10, 2013 07:55 PM (DLwhg)

285 Has anyone read the interview transcript ? I can't imagine Rubio is arrogant enough to believe this would not be seen as a complete contradiction and destroy his credibility. Did he give the interview in Spanish ?

Posted by: polynikes at June 10, 2013 07:55 PM (eb70/)

286

Je peux jouir...

a dans ta bouche?
b. dans ton cul?
c. sur ton visage?
d. sur tes nichons?

[ace isn't the only one studying french]

Posted by: Waldo at June 10, 2013 07:57 PM (araOs)

287 Fuck it all. Let it burn.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at June 10, 2013 07:58 PM (ZETiK)

288
"If I'm right, you, Marco Rubio, will have saved the citizenship of millions of newly registered voters"
- Dr. Peter Venkmann

He'll run as a Dem in 2016 with a host of grateful new voters behind him. Florida Republicans can only DREAM of replacing Rubio in 2016.

Posted by: Advo at June 10, 2013 07:58 PM (RUdc8)

289
38 Fuckerberg's fake grassroots amnesty ads have been on FoxNews a lot.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 10, 2013 06:56 PM (ZPrif)


I so want to throat punch the oleagenous and smarmy douchenozzle dude in those ads.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at June 10, 2013 07:59 PM (FMsYN)

290 He could be a Bond villain.


Bambi or Thumper?

Posted by: Mr Wizard at June 10, 2013 07:59 PM (uPbpg)

291 "Let me be clear"? Geezuz he even talking like a traitor now.

The speed at which this guy has revealed himself as a worthless POS is astonishing. Dude, these are all future democrats. So are you, obviously.

So what are the excuses of the other idiots? Paul Ryan? Seriously that commercial on talk radio is brutal. I cannot listen anymore. I hope you people on the fence about this realize how much money they are spending to pass this bill. That spot alone is running on EVERY radio station in America every 15 minutes.. for the last month or more. DUDE.

Anything for a party that will never lose again if this passes.

Canada? Looking better all the time.

Posted by: Billy Barty at June 10, 2013 08:02 PM (QTvb7)

292 "Let's be clear: I'll vote for anyone except you for President, including a Democrat."

"...Or Mitt Romney, which ever one is more likely to lose following an endorsement by me."

That is all.

Posted by: SD3 at June 10, 2013 08:02 PM (bDsH2)

293 Oh sweet SMOD. I summon thee.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 10, 2013 08:02 PM (DLwhg)

294 As for your stormfront slur, Derb was out there debunking Kevin MacDonald's shit years ago.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 10, 2013 07:51 PM (wAmz2)

But...but...but...RACIST!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 10, 2013 08:04 PM (Bcaz1)

295 Marco McCain and Twat Ayotte. Say hello to the barbed cack of Satan.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 10, 2013 08:09 PM (DLwhg)

296 When this load of manure passes, the newly minted "citizens" and their Unionized Government Official handlers will always remember that "Obama did this." Us soon to be former republicans will never forget that the Republicans did this. This hideous, soul-killing bill will move the Republican party from the "marginally better choice" category to the open enemy category. Pass this, and I will NEVER vote Republican again.

Posted by: Erik at June 10, 2013 08:09 PM (u5OSc)

297 He sounds like he's reciting an old nursery/playground rhyme. Am I the only one humming "First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes Rubio in a baby carriage"?

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 10, 2013 08:10 PM (KL49F)

298 "Let's be clear: I'll vote for anyone except you for President, including a Democrat."

Oh c'mon Ace, now you're just being a purist. And as we all know, purists are Bad.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 10, 2013 08:10 PM (U+vgB)

299 Rubio needs to be primaried.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 10, 2013 08:11 PM (KL49F)

300 We have officially crossed the Rubicain.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 10, 2013 08:12 PM (Lq5WC)

301 In hindsight, Orange Crist would've been better because he wouldn't have become the token Hispanic Republican and so he couldn't be pushing amnesty in such a high-profile way.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 10, 2013 08:13 PM (KL49F)

302 Illegals are crazy to want to be legalized in police-state America anyway.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 10, 2013 08:14 PM (KL49F)

303 When this load of manure passes, the newly minted "citizens" and their Unionized Government Official handlers will always remember that "Obama did this."

It doesn't really work that way. Those amnestied in 1986 don't remember "Reagan did this."

Posted by: AmishDude at June 10, 2013 08:15 PM (T0NGe)

304 He's actually starting to make me miss Mr. Tan in the Can.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at June 10, 2013 08:16 PM (8cOY0)

305 Well, when I am wrong about people (Congresscritters) I am really wrong. He has really done it this time. No way, however, could I have voted for Orangelo Crist. Floriduh, the land of schizos and giant mosquitoes, and sink holes, and pythons in toilets, and hurricanes. It is bliss.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 10, 2013 08:16 PM (baL2B)

306 Rubio needs to be primaried.

***

West

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 08:18 PM (DPdf7)

307 The problem with Rubio isn't the flip-flop. It's the lying.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 10, 2013 08:19 PM (T0NGe)

308 This probably means the Media will ensure that Rubio and Christie are the GOP nominees.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 10, 2013 08:22 PM (xjpRj)

309
We have officially crossed the Rubicain.
Posted by: The Mega Independent




Had to strain for that one, but the effort should be acknowledged.

5 points for Slytherin.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 10, 2013 08:23 PM (kdS6q)

310 McLame needs to retire to his grill in AZ, and Miss Lindsey needs to come out and embrace his sexuality.

Ayotte? Gawd, her voice has been grating since Day One.

Rick Perry, I assume, is fully recovered from his back surgery.

Bring on Teh Perry.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 10, 2013 08:24 PM (lVPtV)

311 This probably means the Media will ensure that Rubio and Christie are the GOP nominees.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 10, 2013 08:22 PM ..........Or as I like to call it, the Stay at home tour 2016.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 10, 2013 08:24 PM (DLwhg)

312
Dumbassery strikes down another Republican. He may as well just announce he supports the Obama agenda.

Posted by: Gmac at June 10, 2013 08:28 PM (IanLz)

313 Looking like if it weren't for RINOs there would be NO republicans in the Congress at all!

Shame, shame, shame.

Vote donkey-KKK- rat. Then you won't be disappointed. You'll know how your rep/senator will always vote.

Shame, Shame, Shame.................

Posted by: Tenndon at June 10, 2013 08:28 PM (o6Yv2)

314 Or as I like to call it, the Stay at home tour 2016.
Posted by: Minnfidel at June 10, 2013 08:24 PM (DLwhg)

Do anything but stay at home. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, good people died so you could vote. Vote 3rd party or just keep it local, skipping the national candidates, but that whole stay at home business is bullshit on wheels.

Posted by: troyriser at June 10, 2013 08:30 PM (vtiE6)

315
U.S. Senate passed a $500 billion, five-year farm bill on Monday that expands a taxpayer-subsidized crop insurance program and rejects sweeping cuts in food stamps for the poor being pursued in the House of Representatives.

The bill passed easily, 66 to 27




Fiscal conservative Republicans *shrugs*

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 10, 2013 08:31 PM (kdS6q)

316 I don't understand these people. There is not a functional Hispanic dominated country on the planet. They are all third world shit holes. I guess they want us to be the largest third world shithole?

Posted by: hobbes at June 10, 2013 08:32 PM (dfwJa)

317 If the House passes amnesty, they be back to the 70's and 80's days of 150 Seats aka Bob Michel taking scraps from Tip O'Neill.

GOP Senate has a blood bath in 2016. Kirk, Toomey, Rubio, and Ayotte are first term goners

Posted by: Jackj at June 10, 2013 08:32 PM (KLJRT)

318

Welp, why bother even fucking voting.

Seriously considering just not giving a shit anymore about these idiot Repubs.

But I still will enjoy mocking the insane libs, and this whole thing, honestly, has been intriguing to watch unfold.

I am somewhat of a USSR buff, and interested in how societies arrange themselves.

We had a jugeared guy using actual Soviet iconography in his election, and no one knew what the fuck was going on there.

Then this shit.

It is remarkable.

And the GOP, they are simply out of it, and probably in on the whole goddamn thing.

So yeah, voting...

WHY BOTHER.






Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at June 10, 2013 08:32 PM (HQml1)

319 Hispanics love big Gov't, even the religious ones

Posted by: Jackj at June 10, 2013 08:33 PM (KLJRT)

320 Yep, Senator Whomever from Whatever State, you`re surely going to get my vote by supporting this amnesty bill, naw, think I`ll just stay home after you win your primary, or not.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 08:33 PM (uOxBm)

321 The scary thing is South Carolina. Lindsay Graham is up in 2014, and he still seems to have a free pass

Posted by: Jackj at June 10, 2013 08:34 PM (KLJRT)

322 Do anything but stay at home. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, good people died so you could vote. Vote 3rd party or just keep it local, skipping the national candidates, but that whole stay at home business is bullshit on wheels.Posted by: troyriser at June 10, 2013 08:30 PM.........Yes I know. I am saying that I won't vote or go 3rd party. Staying home is a euphemism for that. I served as has most of my family so I am full aware of the costs. That's why I'll be dammed if I vote another RINO ever. I am so tired of the fucksticks at the GOP screwing us over every time and expecting us to vote for a shinier turd. I am done so while I won't be on my couch I won't vote for whatever squish the part of teh stoopiud trots out as our shinier turd. I'll vote local etc. Of course the pickings there are getting slimmer too.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 10, 2013 08:35 PM (DLwhg)

323 315. GOP has 46 votes in Senate. That means 19 RINOS voted for Farm Bill

Posted by: Jackj at June 10, 2013 08:35 PM (KLJRT)

324 The scary thing is South Carolina. Lindsay Graham is up in 2014, and he still seems to have a free pass

**

I'm praying that Gowdy will threaten to primary him if he doesn't get out.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 08:35 PM (DPdf7)

325 Flake and McCain are a disgrace to Arizona

Posted by: Jackj at June 10, 2013 08:36 PM (KLJRT)

326 The Senate bill will not pass the House, thank God, but there's a big but there, and it's not Moocheles....

How much damage, if any, will the refusal by the House to pass Rubio's idiotic bill do to the Repubs in 2014?

Posted by: MoeRon at June 10, 2013 08:37 PM (Ty7eg)

327 I almost to the point where I hope Mitch McConnell loses in KY. He has beeen Minority leader for 8 years, for a reason

Posted by: Jackj at June 10, 2013 08:38 PM (KLJRT)

328 Hispanics love big Gov't, even the religious ones

I have to say, though, if you're from Mexico, "big government" sounds great because Mexico isn't able to deal with basic crime issues.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 10, 2013 08:38 PM (T0NGe)

329 GOP has 46 votes in Senate. That means 19 RINOS voted for Farm Bill

Posted by: Jackj at June 10, 2013 08:35 PM (KLJRT)


You're close: it was 18. 25 voted against, and 3 were absent (McCain, Murkowski, and Paul).

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 10, 2013 08:39 PM (u8ZVh)

330 326. Beohner told politico tonight, that they hope to pass their own bill by Labor day. I assume that means Amnesty also

Posted by: Jackj at June 10, 2013 08:39 PM (KLJRT)

331 I'd settle for a Perry/Rand ticket.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 10, 2013 08:40 PM (X4HxX)

332 What really pisses me off, is how the GOP want to reward Obama with Amnesty, even after the IRS and NSA scandals.

What that tells us, is that Boehner and the Senate GOP hates the Tea Party also

Posted by: Jackj at June 10, 2013 08:43 PM (KLJRT)

333
GOP has 46 votes in Senate. That means 19 RINOS voted for Farm Bill
Posted by: Jackj



If I counted right:

2 Dems voted Nay
18 Reps voted Aye
3 Reps not voting

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 10, 2013 08:43 PM (kdS6q)

334 323 315. GOP has 46 votes in Senate. That means 19 RINOS voted for Farm Bill

Maybe more, there could have been Dem "no" votes. The Farm Bill is always the most popular bill in the Congress, especially the Senate. Guaranteed the midwestern guys voted for it.

And mostly for show. The "Farm Bill" has very little for farmers anymore. It's really the "Food Stamp Bill" now. But I'll tell you this, Grassley for instance, can't be seen voting against anything called a "Farm Bill".

I'm shocked it did as poorly as it did.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 10, 2013 08:44 PM (T0NGe)

335 Rubio has screwed the pooch but he's still better than any Democrat. Ill vote for him 2016 should he be the nom. That said I want to be damn sure we have a House (and Senate) that can check his moments of dumb (see President Bush and his "immigration" push).

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 08:44 PM (dvRYt)

336 331. Hillary is not strong. She is very damaged. NC will not go blue, unless another Black is the nominee

Posted by: Jackj at June 10, 2013 08:44 PM (KLJRT)

337 I`ll vote in the primary, squishy mutherfucker wins and my vote for Republican stays in my fucking pocket. People died for my right to vote for my choice, if I choose not to vote, that is my choice. I choose niether.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 08:45 PM (uOxBm)

338 Flake and McCain are a disgrace to Arizona
Posted by: Jackj at June 10, 2013 08:36 PM I'd go with the entire country.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 10, 2013 08:45 PM (DLwhg)

339 336. If amnesty passes, their will not be a GOP Senate or House to check rubio

Posted by: Jackj at June 10, 2013 08:45 PM (KLJRT)

340 Rubio has screwed the pooch but he's still better than any Democrat. Ill vote for him 2016 should he be the nom. That said I want to be damn sure we have a House (and Senate) that can check his moments of dumb (see President Bush and his "immigration" push).Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 08:44 PM .............We knew you'd come around. Thanks for letting us fill your mouth again sucker! Oh, BTW, you left a little on your chin my friend. Thanks again.

Posted by: The GOP at June 10, 2013 08:47 PM (DLwhg)

341 I'll never vote for Rubio. In fact, I'll vote against him if I get the chance.

Posted by: rdbrewer at June 10, 2013 08:48 PM (Iyg03)

342 2 Dems voted Nay
18 Reps voted Aye
3 Reps not voting

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 10, 2013 08:43 PM (kdS6q)


You are correct: The GOP was 18 aye, 25 nay, 3 absent. The two Ds voting no were the guys from Rhode Island.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 10, 2013 08:48 PM (u8ZVh)

343
I want to be damn sure we have a House (and Senate) that can check his moments of dumb (see President Bush and his "immigration" push).
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue



Umm - the only reason the Bush amnesty didn't go through was because the Dems were holding out for the big win after the next election. Wouldn't take the half a loaf.

Smart move as it turns out.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 10, 2013 08:49 PM (kdS6q)

344 I've never deviated from the idea that politics and governance are the art of the possible. There was nothing to "come around" too. But if you think a President Rubio would be the same agenda as a President Clinton Redux who am I to dissuade you?

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 08:51 PM (dvRYt)

345 I was for it, before I was against it.

Posted by: Marco Rubino at June 10, 2013 08:53 PM (vbh31)

346 Just build a wall. The fucking Chinese did it 3000 years ago.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 10, 2013 08:54 PM (Zid/C)

347 Or if you think staying home and pouting is the solution I would never question that kind of sound, mature thinking. Or maybe a magical 3rd Party of rock ribbed conservatives will appear out of the ether and rid of of the RINOs and socialists. Could happen.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 08:56 PM (dvRYt)

348 346 Just build a wall. The fucking Chinese did it 3000 years ago.

Mexico claimed they were going to do it in 2010...Their border with Guatemala, of course.

I don't think anything ever came of it. Mostly because Americans pointed out the rank hypocrisy.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 10, 2013 09:00 PM (T0NGe)

349 Marco Rubio saw the light. He saw O win those three counties in SE Florida by 750,000 votes, thereby narrowly winning Florida. Where were his people? they damn sure weren` out voting for Rombly.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 09:01 PM (uOxBm)

350 The RINO vs True Con bloodletting come early 2016 should be a joy.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 09:05 PM (dvRYt)

351 Or if you think staying home and pouting is the solution I would never question that kind of sound, mature thinking. Or maybe a magical 3rd Party of rock ribbed conservatives will appear out of the ether and rid of of the RINOs and socialists. Could happen.
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 08:56 PM (dvRYt)

`Taint nuthin` about pouting asshole, when voting for one is just a little better than the other, maybe a no vote can make more of a change than your vote. Voting for the lessor has done a real good job lately `taint it.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 09:07 PM (uOxBm)

352 348 I don't think anything ever came of it. Mostly because Americans pointed out the rank hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy like when Mexico's President comes to Congress and lectures us on our immigration policy. Hell, we could solve all our problems by just instituting Mexico's immigration policy here in the US. And then dare people to bitch about it. Of course that would require us to act like Americans and we stopped acting like that about 20 years ago (with the election of Bill Fucking Clinton).

Posted by: LGoPs at June 10, 2013 09:09 PM (Zid/C)

353 `Taint nuthin` about pouting asshole, when voting for one is just a little better than the other, maybe a no vote can make more of a change than your vote. Voting for the lessor has done a real good job lately `taint it.


I'd say yes actually. Or maybe you think President Gore/President Kerry means nothing?

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 09:10 PM (dvRYt)

354 You got a purty mouth!

Posted by: The GOP at June 10, 2013 09:12 PM (DLwhg)

355 I`m talking now, not 00 and 04, if you cant see the difference, well, take the blinders off.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 09:14 PM (uOxBm)

356 And yes it is about pouting. Pouting like some maladjusted teen emoting the unfairness of life. Get the fuck over it and make the best of what reality gives you.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 09:14 PM (dvRYt)

357 Already have ,ass, I would imagine from reading your comments that I`m quite a bit older and more mature than you.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 09:21 PM (uOxBm)

358 Righteously exclaiming that Rubio is dead to you sounds all dramatic n shit but deep down most mature people know it's bull. Because real consequences will be forthcoming should this country endure another Democrat from 2016 onward. Fuck it ill vote for Christie, Rubio, McLame whoever. Cruz would be my preference but would he be the fav in a primary? How about the general? Maybe but it depends on a huge number of unknowns at this point.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 09:22 PM (dvRYt)

359 I'm sure....

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 09:23 PM (dvRYt)

360 Yeah I would imagine you're older. Mature not so much. Mature citizens of a great nation don't let their personal disappointment/ preferences distract from the big picture.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 09:26 PM (dvRYt)

361 Conservative democrats have the formula down to get elected Republican. See Rubio and Ayotte

Posted by: Caustic at June 10, 2013 09:26 PM (/b8+5)

362 Or maybe you think President Gore/President Kerry means nothing?

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue


Let's take the former for kicks and giggles:

Gore hits the Internet bubble squarely in gob, falls over and does the exact same thing Bush did on the domestic side. He would have kept interest rates low and created the very same housing/credit bubble.

Intlly, 9/11 would have gone down, and Gore would have puffed up his chest and done a little less well in Afghanistan. He certainly would have tried to get out earlier than Bush planned.

Iraq: Big question mark there. Would his certainly high polling given him a big fat warhawk woodie to follow up on the Iraq intel? No idea. But it would have all ended the same in 2008 with another credit crunch, war weariness, and slightly more tax and spend BS.

No 2003 tax credit boost, more Grüne Energie nonsense. Bad for the US but beyond that I don't see what would have been the disaster for the GOP that Bush turned into.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 10, 2013 09:26 PM (SX6wc)

363 Golly gee, I was riding a winning horse, and then we placed, and then we showed. Now I guess we win if I just show.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 09:27 PM (uOxBm)

364
Well Ace, I guess the man-crush is over for real now, huh?

Didn't Rubio read that thoroughly discredited but completely true study that showed latinos breaking D 65/35? Or how the net addition to revenues will be more than offset by social costs? Or how a social safety net that looks and feels more like a hammock would most likely ruin that much vaunted work ethic?
Where's the good that comes from this?

Posted by: normal man spitting on his hands at June 10, 2013 09:28 PM (ORvjs)

365 @ 360 - "Yeah I would imagine you're older. Mature not so much. Mature citizens
of a great nation don't let their personal disappointment/ preferences
distract from the big picture"

Mature people also understand what the big picture actually is.

Which you apparently don't.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 10, 2013 09:29 PM (U+vgB)

366 Ok, I`m older but not mature, guess I`ll regress and hope for the best.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 09:31 PM (uOxBm)

367 #309 We have officially crossed the Rubicain.
Posted by: The Mega Independent

I had nothing to do with him.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at June 10, 2013 09:31 PM (QVC7W)

368
WTF happens to these guys, our so-called coenservative stars? Seems like they get co-opted rather quickly these days.
Either that or they lied to get elected. Go figure.

BTW, Ryan in the house is pushing for the same plan as Rubio, so don't think it has no chance to become law.

Posted by: normal man spitting on his hands at June 10, 2013 09:31 PM (ORvjs)

369 Weft where do you think the economic and environmental focus of a Gore Administration would have been? What kind of importance would military readiness have had? What kind of decisions regarding Iraq, Israel and the Middle East would a President Kerry have made?

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 09:37 PM (dvRYt)

370 WTF happens to these guys, our so-called coenservative stars? Seems like they get co-opted rather quickly these days.Either that or they lied to get elected. Go figure.BTW, Ryan in the house is pushing for the same plan as Rubio, so don't think it has no chance to become law.
Posted by: normal man spitting on his hands at June 10, 2013 09:31 PM (ORvjs)

And that`s why we show nowadays instead of win.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 09:38 PM (uOxBm)

371 358 Wonkish Rogue,

Nope no more sorry that ship has sailed...

My presence here such as it is is p[redicated largely on trying to whiop the Libertarians into staying GOP....it worked in '04 and then the suck...

I am through rewarding the GOP and the American people for pissing on the Constitution...

if the American people want to suck mule cock I am through getting in their way

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 10, 2013 09:40 PM (LRFds)

372 Wonk is back on Boooosh time. Laughable.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 09:40 PM (uOxBm)

373 And Titus the big picture is winning elections based on ideas, slick marketing, political shrewdness whatever it takes. So once that is accomplished ideas like capitalism and Constitutional Conservatism can be given a chance to show what they can do.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 09:42 PM (dvRYt)

374 Then you get nothing Sven. You get the prize for taking your ball and going home. Except in this case that means decades of socialism and redistribution and military debacles.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 09:46 PM (dvRYt)

375
Sven, what do you mean "trying to whip the libertarians into staying gop?

Posted by: normal man spitting on his hands at June 10, 2013 09:47 PM (ORvjs)

376 "Let's be clear: I'll vote for anyone except you for President, including a Democrat."

Seeing as how there's no difference between Republicans and Democrats, you might as well vote for Rubio.

You'd get the Democrat you seek.

Posted by: someguy at June 10, 2013 09:48 PM (8XRrT)

377 Weft where do you think the economic and environmental focus of a Gore Administration would have been?
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue


Like I just wrote, he certainly would have tried more green energy shit but after the 2001 recession and war, he probably couldn't justify risking a return trip to the economic shitter. Remember Rubin was Clintoon's econ guy who kept Clinton from going nuts on the tax and spend stuff, in the middle of a genuine boom. Gore would have either tapped him or his underlings for advice.

Oh, to be sure, the goofball Dem-Lite bills that Bush signed like the green energy grants for auto mfrs would have been signed but a CO2 exchange would have been melted down into some lame tax credit thing. You didn't stipulate a Dem Congress, did you?

What kind of importance would military readiness have had?

Considering we went to war 9 months after the inauguration you can't be seriously suggesting that Gore would have had any different a military than Bush, can you?

What kind of decisions regarding Iraq, Israel and the Middle East would a President Kerry have made?

Again, read what I wrote. I was discussing Gore for the sake of simplicity and chronological order. Gore would have been the nom in 2004, not Kerry.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 10, 2013 09:48 PM (SX6wc)

378 So once that is accomplished ideas like capitalism and Constitutional Conservatism can be given a chance to show what they can do.

I have no problem voting for someone who does that NOW. I voted for Rubio. Why is he not standing stronger? If the Amnesty Bill goes through the GOP is gone. Excepting local and certain Congressional seats, where is the power in that.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 09:51 PM (uOxBm)

379 374 Then you get nothing Sven. You get the prize for taking your ball and going home. Except in this case that means decades of socialism and redistribution and military debacles. Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 09:46 PM (dvRYt)I'm not going to mince words with you. Just based on you last few posts, you seem to be a simpleton, a standard bootlicker republican who thinks that the win and the gavels that come with majority are the prize. It's not.It's what you fucking do with power when you have it. Republicans had that majority for quite a while, and passed expansive social programs, expansive education policy (written by DeadTed no less), and tried to shove amnesty up , er , tried to pass comprehensive immigration reform.You call THAT a win? Fuck it, I'm another of those tired of voting for the lesser evil.Don't fucking lecture about sticking with the"team", this ain't a fucking game, I don't root for anything butliberty.

Posted by: normal man spitting on his hands at June 10, 2013 09:56 PM (ORvjs)

380 #374, I'd gladly take nothing over the betrayal I'm getting from the GOP. The party at large has sold us down the river.

Posted by: qixlqatl at June 10, 2013 09:58 PM (NdH/1)

381 and that was formatted right until it posted.

Posted by: normal man spitting on his hands at June 10, 2013 09:59 PM (ORvjs)

382 What in the fuck makes GOP politicians believe anyone but liberal Democrats are clamoring for this amnesty shit they're dying to pass?

Posted by: DRayRaven at June 10, 2013 10:03 PM (C51VE)

383
>>"Righteously exclaiming that Rubio is dead to you sounds all dramatic n shit but deep down most mature people know it's bull."Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 09:22 PM (dvRYt)Wait and see. Times are changing. You can only take this RINO grift so far, only abuse and insult good faith so much.

Posted by: rrpjr at June 10, 2013 10:09 PM (fe6dY)

384 I think you're misreading the potential damage of both a Gore or Kerry presidency. Obama crammed his healthcare shitburger through in this economy and flushed a trillion dollars. Reality means nothing when ideological Leftism is on the line.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 10:09 PM (dvRYt)

385 This aint a fucking Game.
No shit normal man, I`m right there with you.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 10:10 PM (uOxBm)

386 I'm glad you don't mince words normal man. It's good to know those that bring a well thought out argument for their position and those inclined towards 3rd Grade taunts right from the start.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 10:13 PM (dvRYt)

387 I would be willing to bet that wonk draws a government check. Come on and tell us what you do for a living.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 10:17 PM (uOxBm)

388 374 wonkish roghue,

Good I have my reasons for welcoming the drawdown....

the redistrbution addiction will break the machine faster...

fuck them

a is a

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 10, 2013 10:20 PM (LRFds)

389
Oooh, now you hurt my feelings.

Or not.

Your position seems to be that you are the grown up in the room, lecturing the unruly children on their mistaken thought processes.
Pompous, and wrong. Not a good combo.

Posted by: normal man spitting on his hands at June 10, 2013 10:21 PM (ORvjs)

390 And no it isn't a game. Because in this scenario we don't go home and feel bad about how we did and that's it. We get economic stagnation and a country inviting attack from abroad and divisive racial/gender/sexual orientation policies for now to the end of time.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 10:21 PM (dvRYt)

391 375 Normal Man,

I spent a lot of time and effoirt trying to deprogram the Luap Nors...

and in doing so I empowered the McCain NE Rino gang to fuck the nation...

I am an idiot

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at June 10, 2013 10:22 PM (LRFds)

392 One question for you wonk.
Do you support our taxtion as it stands, with reform to the IRs, or a Fair tax, or a Flat tax, and why?

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 10:32 PM (uOxBm)

393
PaulNuts are PaulNuts, and I don't blame them for being tired of these lame Coke/Pepsi choices we've been handed the past several election cycles.
We head in the same direction with a D or R majority, the only difference is the speed.
BTW, mensa may not be knocking your door down, but you're not idiot.

A moron, perhaps.

Posted by: normal man spitting on his hands at June 10, 2013 10:33 PM (ORvjs)

394 Some form of a consumption tax would be my preference rightly. Less subject to manipulation, less power for lobbyists, less Federal Bureaucracy.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 10:34 PM (ANlfq)

395
Wonk, perhaps deep down you and I want the same things for our country, and fear the same things too.
We clearly disagree on what steps to take to achieve those goals.

Posted by: normal man spitting on his hands at June 10, 2013 10:37 PM (ORvjs)

396 That said you'll never be rid of some kind of enforcement/accounting mechanism. I'd like the IRS dead, burned and buried but I just don't see it happening short term.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 10:39 PM (ZdAo1)

397 And that's OK normal man. I love this blog and the smart, sarcastic morons that populate it. We do want the same things I'm certain. We're talking strategy, not goals.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 10:41 PM (ZdAo1)

398 How about a flat tax of 10%from25,000- 75,000, then 12% up to 150,000, 15% up to 500,000, and 20% thereafter on NET income. I don`t trust a consumtion tax (it will lead to VAT), or fair tax which would be a national sales tax that starts at what% and leads to what future % and a VAT. Flat tax says here`s you money live within your means (`course we know that would not be the case). Lot more reasons I would prefer the flat tax, but I aint writin` no peer reviewed paper. `taint

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 10, 2013 10:53 PM (uOxBm)

399 "John Boehner Committed to Ram Through Immigration Plan By August"
http://tinyurl.com/mvg38lr
"You just can’t make this stuff up.


FOX News Latino reported:"

Posted by: Caustic at June 10, 2013 11:00 PM (/b8+5)

400 link to Fox News Latino
http://tinyurl.com/m2wp933

Posted by: Caustic at June 10, 2013 11:01 PM (/b8+5)

401 Works for me. It's been awhile since I've reviewed the pro con's for each and I'm certainly not an economist.. I recall some conservatives in love with the Fair Tax, others claimed it would be a disaster. I recall both Cain and Forbes presented their own plans. Regardless, if it decentralizes power from DC and lobbyists I'm for it.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at June 10, 2013 11:02 PM (JRU+g)

402 What happened with that Southwest Plane. ABC radio news is saying "fighter jets were scrambled"

Posted by: Caustic at June 10, 2013 11:02 PM (/b8+5)

403 No to Rubio and Amnesty.

Posted by: blah at June 10, 2013 11:30 PM (I/JRK)

404 "Let's be clear: I'll vote for anyone except you for President, including a Democrat."

I don't know if I could go that far. I may just have to sit that one out. I hope I can find a bar that's not broadcasting election returns. Ugh.

Posted by: dissent555 at June 10, 2013 11:42 PM (yR6A1)

405 "‘Telephonic Bomb Threat’ Forces L.A.-to-Texas Flight to Land in Arizona"http://tinyurl.com/ka2ogk4

Posted by: Caustic at June 10, 2013 11:48 PM (/b8+5)

406 It's funny to see the bickering of "purists" vs "RINOs" when in the end it really doesn't matter. No matter who you put up he will be labeled as "super insane extreme" by the media, and that's all most voters will know about him. Look what happened to McCain and Romney, two of the squishiest most moderate Republicans in the whole party who ran even more moderate campaigns. It literally does not matter whatsoever who runs. The media decides the Narrative, and that's all 99% of people ever hear.

Posted by: infovore at June 10, 2013 11:56 PM (0llFJ)

407 "First comes the legalization. Then come the measures to secure the border."

Been down this road before.

It was bullshit then, and it's likely to be bullshit now.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at June 11, 2013 02:02 AM (9+PGS)

408 Ace, what is your plan for immigration reform? Legalization is not amnesty.. we do need to secure the boarder, and Rubio is quite the advocate for that. has been for years.
Rubio is fighting for a cause he believes in, i find it an endearing quality.. When has legal immigration become anti-Conservative?
i was called a non conservative twice last year by friends over heated arguments about gay marriage in WA which i supported, and legalizing marijuana , to me these are not conservative issues, they're liberty issues! and the best trait of conservatism is the stand for personal liberty! Land of the free and so forth!
in a year and a half we will likely have majority in both houses, and we can build the great fucking wall of China. but the illegals here arent going anywhere, so we are better off if they are atleast legalized period.

Posted by: UnkleFabio at June 11, 2013 05:35 AM (WnGDS)

409 I never knew that "fuck-up" and "sell-out" were synonymous until today.

Posted by: teapartydoc at June 11, 2013 06:26 AM (4U98b)

410 Posted by: UnkleFabio at June 11, 2013 05:35 AM .......Secure the MFing Border FIRST then we'll talk. Let's say we announce amnesty legalization, whatever you want to call it. Think there might just be an uptick in illegals coming in? Sorry I don't trust Rubio or any other of the weasels in DC. They're all full of shit.

Posted by: Minnfidel at June 11, 2013 06:44 AM (bXdYS)

411 "Let's be clear: I'll vote for anyone except you for President, including a Democrat."

Then you're an idiot.

Fuck, Ace.

Posted by: Heironymous Fox at June 11, 2013 08:17 AM (sTS/8)

412 Adios Rubeo don't let the door hit you on the culo on the way out.

Posted by: kevinw at June 11, 2013 09:10 AM (hlPjW)

413 NALEO members were crowing about having Rubio in the bag as a secretive supporter for radical amnesty in October. But nobody in the conservative media wanted to hear it.

Hearing it now, I imagine.

We've also urged reporters to listen to Univision's spanish language interviews with Rubio. Listening now, I imagine.

Next up, ask Rubio why he has not pushed back against being used by that faux conservative organization outed by Frontpage magazine, the ads running on Fox and Limbaugh, where Rubio and Ryan are credited with pushing a bill that puts border control first.

The lies are piling up. Glad to see folks finally listening.

Posted by: Ttrent at June 11, 2013 09:19 AM (x30Up)

414
yep, Rubio has become the new Jeb Bush. Being friends i am not surprised the Bush centrist, lean left, emergingstatism has arrived under the cloak of getting in-office with the help of conservatives. I feel the same about Ryan. these guys are all-talk-yet-left-leaning action on the issues that count. very diappointed.
i wont vote democrat BUT i wont vote for a republican that lies to me either.
Mccain, Ayotte, Rubio, Ryan, Boehner, Mcconnel, Christie, everyone's fave idoot Graham, etc...the list is near-endless, no better then Romney, who i voted for.
...but these folks arent putting up any kind of resistance or new ideas. they are all simply part of the left leaning republican establishment machine which is simply centrist-yet-left-leaning democrat-light. there are no dem conservatives anymore and soon there will not be any conservative repubs once this amnsty bill goes thru. why should i give these cowards traitors my hard earned vote?
shame. alot of us thought they were the real deal and now they help push the same party that got them elected, a job, notoriety, etc...they take the same party and toss it over the cliff.
they can all go f*k themselves.

Posted by: dark rabbitt at June 11, 2013 09:26 AM (JwDEy)

415 "He chose poorly."

Posted by: Grail Knight as he watches Rubio's Presidential aspirations crumble into dust at June 11, 2013 10:01 AM (nbGZj)

416 12 Do you just hate Hispanics or all people of color?
Posted by: Average Joe at June 10, 2013 06:53 PM (bN5ZU)

Correct. I only like people that are transparent.

Posted by: blindside at June 11, 2013 10:57 AM (x7g7t)

417
Rubio was a frequent guest of a local morning radio talk show when he was in the the Florida House. He still made time to be an on-air guest after being elected to Senate.

Apparently, he's gone into the shadows recently..."He chose poorly" indeed. I won't say I won't vote for him the next time he's up for Senate, but I'm disinclined to give him any money or other aid in that effort.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at June 11, 2013 10:59 AM (1hM1d)

418 79 I pray someone primaries his ass because hitting the button for him, again, will be a very painful ordeal for me.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 10, 2013 07:04 PM (DPdf7)

This is what they count on. If my Senator or Congressman votes for this shit, well, there are a few less buttons I have to push come election day.

I'm not fucking around with these dicks. If you stab me in the back I'm done with you. Better to let the Democrats run this shit into the ground sooner than later.

Posted by: blindside at June 11, 2013 11:21 AM (x7g7t)

419 Do anything but stay at home. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, good people died so you could vote. Vote 3rd party or just keep it local, skipping the national candidates, but that whole stay at home business is bullshit on wheels.
Posted by: troyriser at June 10, 2013 08:30 PM (vtiE6)***

That's where you're wrong. Evidently those people died so that busloads of Somalis could cancel my vote. Why bother?

Posted by: Kerry at June 11, 2013 03:18 PM (AYfPj)

420 132 i'm not a big fan of Derbyshire.
Posted by: Tom Sawyer at June 10, 2013 07:10 PM (7zSvv)***

Second look at Derbyshire, then.

Posted by: Kerry at June 11, 2013 03:27 PM (AYfPj)

421 Progressivesshare one pathology with theMohammadans - they can lie, cheat, steal, or anything else in the name of their religion. Rubio is the prototypicalProgressive Trojan horse - say anything you need to (to get elected) so you can ultimately advance your true cause. I believe that's what the fucker did - he ran Conservative to get elected so he could advance his one true objective: get amnesty passed at any cost. Cocksucker.

Posted by: 1bulwetweft at June 12, 2013 02:51 PM (d2CZd)






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