BREAKING: Nevermind The NSA Leak Investigation, His Name Is Edward Snowden And He's Talking

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Soooo.

The individual responsible for one of the most significant leaks in US political history is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. Snowden has been working at the National Security Agency for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell.

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On May 20, he boarded a flight to Hong Kong, where he has remained ever since. He chose the city because "they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent", and because he believed that it was one of the few places in the world that both could and would resist the dictates of the US government.
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He said it was during his CIA stint in Geneva that he thought for the first time about exposing government secrets. But, at the time, he chose not to for two reasons.

First, he said: "Most of the secrets the CIA has are about people, not machines and systems, so I didn't feel comfortable with disclosures that I thought could endanger anyone". Secondly, the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there would be real reforms, rendering disclosures unnecessary.

He left the CIA in 2009 in order to take his first job working for a private contractor that assigned him to a functioning NSA facility, stationed on a military base in Japan. It was then, he said, that he "watched as Obama advanced the very policies that I thought would be reined in", and as a result, "I got hardened."

The primary lesson from this experience was that "you can't wait around for someone else to act. I had been looking for leaders, but I realised that leadership is about being the first to act."

Over the next three years, he learned just how all-consuming the NSA's surveillance activities were, claiming "they are intent on making every conversation and every form of behaviour in the world known to them".

Scariest part of this is he took off for China before the news broke. That's...bad.

I hate leaks but this maybe something so massive that the public has to know. We've built a lot of security systems in the 11 years since September 11, 2001 and I think it's time, it was awhile ago, we figure out what we are ok with and what we're not. Ideally it wouldn't involve this kind of massive intelligence leak but it was inevitable this is what it would take to get it going.

Posted by: DrewM. at 03:16 PM



Comments

1 Wow

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:18 PM (ZPrif)

2 twitter addict drew

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:19 PM (ZPrif)

3 I knew it!

Posted by: ALH at June 09, 2013 03:20 PM (xEAGD)

4 To the sidebar!

Posted by: fluffy at June 09, 2013 03:20 PM (z9HTb)

5 Twitter breaks everything. If you need to know 2 and half minutes before the rest of the world -- twitter is the place to be.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:20 PM (ZPrif)

6
This is the hill to die on.

Rand Paul says he's going to challenge this in the SCOTUS. Click my nic, top post for link.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 03:22 PM (0HooB)

7 Scariest part of this is he took for China before the news broke. That's...bad.

I don't follow you there.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 09, 2013 03:22 PM (kqqGm)

8 Man, it would suck to be one of his (presumably innocent) co-workers. Or worse, his boss. The Feds are gonna ream their assholes inside and out to see if they if they helped him or what they knew. Any slight break of protocol, which normally might be overlooked, will be nailed to the wall.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:23 PM (ZPrif)

9 Scariest part of this is he took for China before the news broke. That's...bad.

?

he took for China?

he took information for China?

Posted by: willow at June 09, 2013 03:23 PM (nqBYe)

10 Hey! I'll trade you a bench for a spy....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 03:23 PM (aDwsi)

11 Scariest part of this is he took for China before the news broke. That's...bad.

I don't follow you there.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 09, 2013 03:22 PM (kqqGm)


According to the story, he's now living in Hong Kong.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 03:23 PM (08XhI)

12 Q: Do you see yourself as another Bradley Manning?

A: "Manning was a classic whistleblower. He was inspired by the public good."

I thought he was torqued off because he thought he was getting dismissed because he was gay or something...

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at June 09, 2013 03:23 PM (ggXyh)

13 He disappears in 3..2..

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 03:23 PM (GEICT)

14 He went to Hong Kong because they would not send him back to the States

Posted by: Patrick at June 09, 2013 03:24 PM (b6koZ)

15 He took bench's for china?

He took Off for China?

Posted by: willow at June 09, 2013 03:24 PM (nqBYe)

16 We've built a lot of security systems in the 11 years since September 11, 2001...

Except enforce the borders.

But hey, we know Aunt Mary took a peek at the pics of the world's longest shlong.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2013 03:24 PM (g5YAm)

17 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 03:22 PM (0HooB)

He's in Hong Kong.

Posted by: DrewM. at June 09, 2013 03:24 PM (AR+tO)

18 This is actually a pretty smart move on Snowden's part. He'll be marginally safer now that his name and face is publicly known.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 03:24 PM (0HooB)

19 15 He took bench's for china?

He took Off for China?
Posted by: willow at June 09, 2013 03:24 PM (nqBYe)

He took silverware for china - to make up for the bench. Sweet kid.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at June 09, 2013 03:25 PM (ggXyh)

20 Wow is right. I wish he would have been asked if he provided the leaked info to any US media and if they ignored/sat on it. Do you think he is prudent or suicidal by identifying himself? Is it safer for him and his family?

Posted by: goldiocks at June 09, 2013 03:25 PM (1kxWc)

21 Wait, does he expect China to hide him?!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:25 PM (ZPrif)

22
Scariest part of this is he took for China before the news broke. That's...bad.

I don't follow you there.


Posted by: John P. Squibob
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The guy *could* be a Bradley Manning type, who holds his philosophy to be more important than the well-being of The Republic. If that is the case, then he is likely to spill critical stuff to the Chicoms.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 03:25 PM (aDwsi)

23 I"M THE BOMBARDIER!

Posted by: Captain Yossarian at June 09, 2013 03:25 PM (ietnk)

24 OK, he now recided in China.

Well i guess He's safe , after gifting Benchs and mentioning China's hacking American utilities and Business's China will definately keep them as an asset and a thron to american leadership.

Posted by: willow at June 09, 2013 03:26 PM (nqBYe)

25 The guy *could* be a Bradley Manning type, who holds his philosophy
to be more important than the well-being of The Republic. If that is the
case, then he is likely to spill critical stuff to the Chicoms.


Fan-effing-tastic.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 09, 2013 03:26 PM (kqqGm)

26 This sucks for me. It means I'm going to come under extra scrutiny next month when my periodic reinvestigation comes up (along with everyone else that's a victim of bad timing). I have a feeling they're going to be extraordinarily uptight with clearances. Me being an outspoken conservative won't help.

Posted by: Country Singer at June 09, 2013 03:26 PM (U22Yw)

27 "Secondly, the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there
would be real reforms, rendering disclosures unnecessary."



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LIVs....even at the CIA

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at June 09, 2013 03:27 PM (HDgX3)

28
He's in Hong Kong.

Who? Snowden?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 03:27 PM (0HooB)

29 OK, so he's concerned about being spied upon but he gives so many details about his life, including his first name, previous jobs, and places he's lived before?

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 03:27 PM (08XhI)

30 I posted a link this morning that the Obamanites were looking for the leaker for criminal prosecution. Perhaps that is why he "took for China".


Has he also leaked stuff about our programs for monitoring foreigners? If so we need to snuff him.

Posted by: Vic at June 09, 2013 03:28 PM (lZvxr)

31 I think what he saw and what the NSA are doing horrified him, What else can you do but spill your guts. I also wonder how the InfoWar crowd is handling all this.

Posted by: Patrick at June 09, 2013 03:28 PM (b6koZ)

32
Anyone have cheap tickets for Stomp? Always wanted to see that show.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 09, 2013 03:28 PM (MBqvE)

33 "Secondly, the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there

would be real reforms, rendering disclosures unnecessary."


And liberals say conservatives are dumb mouth-breathers. The media is going to have a difficult time figuring out how to cover this.

And by cover, I mean slant.

Posted by: pep at June 09, 2013 03:28 PM (6TB1Z)

34 Some things shouldn't happen, and some things the government has no right to do , and should never have or be given power to do.

The moment you start looking through my papers, virtual or otherwise, or collect data through surveillance of my conversations or pierce my household, without warrant and without even suspicion - just collecting, trawling - you have become no better than a dictator state placing stasi agents in my attic.

Posted by: SarahW at June 09, 2013 03:29 PM (LYwCh)

35 LOL: He took off for Hong Kong "because it has a spirit of free speech...." Sure under the Brits but now under China? Free speech that harms the U.S. I'm sure they are fine with, but I hope Snowden learns the hard way how they treat any criticism of themselves. Apparently he has not wised up a whole lot from thinking Barky would 'rein this in'.

Posted by: PaleRider at June 09, 2013 03:29 PM (vL0Nv)

36
"Help, him...
Help, HIM"

Posted by: Pilot at June 09, 2013 03:29 PM (ietnk)

37 The feeling I get from the material leaked and this profile is that this dude is no Brianna Manning.

His income seems to have been pretty damn awesome. No really obvious shitbag malingering reasons to "get back" at his supervisor or his institution.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 03:29 PM (dh83Q)

38 "There is no Martinson."

Posted by: Jack Ross at June 09, 2013 03:30 PM (gWHwW)

39
What blew my mind (other than he's hiding in CHINA?!?!) is that he was shocked by illegal but perfectly normal espionage activity in Switzerland.

That's what spies do! they entrap people and blackmail them to get info. Has he never read a book?

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 09, 2013 03:30 PM (5YUSx)

40 There's a new benchmark for BIG BRASS BALLS.

And what in the world is so "scary" about telling the story from Hong Kong?

He's hoping for asylum in Iceland.

Posted by: goy at June 09, 2013 03:30 PM (QsFws)

41 This becomes international espionage shit now

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:30 PM (ZPrif)

42 Major —— de Coverley ran the program.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 09, 2013 03:30 PM (XUKZU)

43 When the day comes that you try to go to Ace of Spades or Hot Air, and they and their equivalents simply aren't there anymore - you will know the balloon has gone up and the Administration has gone full police state. At that time you will find out why the DHS needs 1.1 billion rounds of ammo.

Posted by: An Observation at June 09, 2013 03:30 PM (ylhEn)

44 I think what he saw and what the NSA are doing horrified him, What else
can you do but spill your guts.


Careful there. Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, and Kim Philby would say the same thing to justify themselves.

Posted by: pep at June 09, 2013 03:31 PM (6TB1Z)

45 Damn. Wouldn't you know it that the leaker thought Obama was the savior.

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 03:31 PM (M/TDA)

46 He's going public so he doesn't get disappeared.

http://tinyurl.com/prwzqlb

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 09, 2013 03:31 PM (oJVMp)

47 # 34

Oh, we've got those too.

Posted by: The Democratic Party at June 09, 2013 03:31 PM (gWHwW)

48 Q: Do you have a plan in place?

A: "The only thing I can do is sit here and hope the Hong Kong government does not deport me … My predisposition is to seek asylum in a country with shared values. The nation that most encompasses this is Iceland. They stood up for people over internet freedom. I have no idea what my future is going to be.

"They could put out an Interpol note. But I don't think I have committed a crime outside the domain of the US. I think it will be clearly shown to be political in nature."

http://bit.ly/15NuR4r

Posted by: goy at June 09, 2013 03:31 PM (QsFws)

49 Booz Allen is fucked, business-wise.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:31 PM (ZPrif)

50 Send in the drones.

Posted by: ALH at June 09, 2013 03:31 PM (xEAGD)

51 What is all this shit about Bradley Manning. He exposed REAL secret shit just because he was pissed at his boyfriend.


Something that could not have happened 30 years ago because they would have given him a BCD as soon as they found he was a homo.


Posted by: Vic at June 09, 2013 03:32 PM (lZvxr)

52 20
Wow is right. I wish he would have been asked if he provided the leaked
info to any US media and if they ignored/sat on it. Do you think he is
prudent or suicidal by identifying himself? Is it safer for him and his
family?

Posted by: goldiocks at June 09, 2013 03:25 PM (1kxWc)

He worked for cia before nsa, he probably know well they're cheap whores.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 03:32 PM (AWmfW)

53 My sympathy for him dropped to zero the moment he fled to China.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:32 PM (ZPrif)

54
I will say I particularly like the part where he thought a marxist as Prez would rein in the domestic spying. Rube.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2013 03:32 PM (g5YAm)

55 Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 09, 2013 03:30 PM (5YUSx)

Yeah, he's kind of a bleeding heart in that way...I mean, Baer admits to pretty much that in his autobiography.

Okay, he's an uber bleeding heart.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 03:32 PM (dh83Q)

56 Hard for me to see this guy as anything but a traitor.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:32 PM (ZPrif)

57 Now we know what the inscription on the bench says:

"Hand over Edward Snowden...please?"

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 09, 2013 03:32 PM (V1ZIU)

58 He's hoping for asylum in Iceland.

Posted by: goy


Yup. He hopes to take up residence in the Blue Lagoon.

Posted by: pep at June 09, 2013 03:33 PM (6TB1Z)

59 He went to Hong Kong because they would not send him back to the States

Time to book a cruise.

Posted by: Bruce Wayne at June 09, 2013 03:33 PM (QTHTd)

60 46
He's going public so he doesn't get disappeared.



http://tinyurl.com/prwzqlb

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 09, 2013 03:31 PM (oJVMp)

It's probably the smartest move.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 03:33 PM (AWmfW)

61
Something that could not have happened 30 years ago because they would
have given him a BCD as soon as they found he was a homo.

***

Something else Bradley Manning and Kim Philby had in common.

Posted by: Wodeshed at June 09, 2013 03:33 PM (a9L+B)

62 Wait, is this guy gay?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:34 PM (ZPrif)

63 Booz Allen is f*****, business-wise.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe


Daughter #3 just took a job with Deloitte. She also had an offer from Booz. Smart move on her part.

Posted by: pep at June 09, 2013 03:34 PM (6TB1Z)

64
>>> I have no idea what my future is going to be

Death and/or Taxes.

We don't need soothie for this kind of shit.

Posted by: garrett at June 09, 2013 03:34 PM (ietnk)

65 53
My sympathy for him dropped to zero the moment he fled to China.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:32 PM (ZPrif)

Where would he be safe?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 03:34 PM (AWmfW)

66 No, article mentions he has a gf. So, not gay.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:35 PM (ZPrif)

67 /// 56 Hard for me to see this guy as anything but a traitor. ///

So you don't think Hong Kong was one of his best options? Are you privy to some secret squirrel shit the rest of us aren't?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 03:35 PM (dh83Q)

68
He deserves the Presidential Bench of Freedom.

Knowing this administration it will be tied around his neck and he will be thrown into the Potomac.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 09, 2013 03:35 PM (+98Gb)

69 Wait, is this guy gay?

****

If he is, then exile in Iceland would be wasted on him. http://tinyurl.com/cswp5g5

Posted by: Wodeshed at June 09, 2013 03:36 PM (a9L+B)

70 Wonder if they'll interrupt the Prezzy's golf game? Also wonder how much more this Snowden guy has?

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 03:36 PM (M/TDA)

71 Personally, I am looking forwArd to teh Obama Statesmanship thread

Posted by: Flying Fajia Brothers at June 09, 2013 03:36 PM (Ovd63)

72 What are you talking about Yoshi.
I ain't got secret squirrel shit.
I'm saying when a guy leaks secret shit and flees to China he looks like a big old traitor to me.
He committed huge crimes by leaking this stuff.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:36 PM (ZPrif)

73 54
I will say I particularly like the part where he thought a marxist as Prez would rein in the domestic spying. Rube

I like how he thinks Hong Kong is a bastion of free speech. It isn't. He probably thinks it is still run by the UK.

Posted by: The Democratic Party at June 09, 2013 03:36 PM (gWHwW)

74 68
He deserves the Presidential Bench of Freedom.

We can only hope the next duly elected POTUS does just that. The people running this op are the traitors, not Snowden.

Posted by: goy at June 09, 2013 03:36 PM (QsFws)

75
This guy doesn't sound like somebody I would like to hang out with but I put him in a different category than Manning. Spying on enemies or other countries is one thing, on your own people is quite a different matter. So I am glad he did it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2013 03:37 PM (g5YAm)

76 the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there would be real reforms, rendering disclosures unnecessary.

So, despite being sufficiently intelligent to acquire the technical competence to work at the NSA, he's still just a muddle-headed, magical-thinking Democrat with a host of projections and fantasies about his man-crush Obama.

Welcome to reality, dude.

I can't promise that you'll like it out her, but it's better than going through life believing in benevolent Democrats and other fairy tales.

Posted by: Phinn at June 09, 2013 03:37 PM (oFH2D)

77 He's not a traitor. He's a useful idiot. To us.

And all he did was confirm what we all already knew.

*flips bird to Ft Meade*

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 09, 2013 03:37 PM (oJVMp)

78 His best option was to face the music. Civil disobedience. He committed a massive crime. Perhaps for a good cause. It's still illegal as shit to do what he did.

Fleeing to China weakens his stance as a whistle-blower civil disobedience guy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:37 PM (ZPrif)

79 54

I will say I particularly like the part where he thought a marxist as Prez would rein in the domestic spying. Rube.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2013 03:32 PM (g5YAm)



Yeah, I need to clean the spittle off of my screen after reading that.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at June 09, 2013 03:38 PM (7xeJQ)

80 Let's hope Greenwald learned at least a LITTLE bit from O'Keefe & Breitbart, and has plenty of vid on file ready to refute any bullshit this administration uses to try to paint this guy as not credible.

Posted by: goy at June 09, 2013 03:38 PM (QsFws)

81
You know, the Clinton's hooked me up with a nice bench.

Posted by: Vince Foster at June 09, 2013 03:39 PM (ietnk)

82 Another rube self-identifies.

Posted by: In context: yes. at June 09, 2013 03:39 PM (9sjmH)

83 Purely from a classification standpoint...this guy makes Bradley Manning look a rugrat. Manning may have unloaded tons of documents....but nothing like this. I couldn't believe it, personally.

Posted by: GIJared at June 09, 2013 03:39 PM (mjVNT)

84 The penalties for what this guy did are huge.
Government has to throw the book at him.
He said he's willing to suffer the consequences of his actions.

You aren't allowed to reveal classified info just because you *really*, *really* disagree with it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:40 PM (ZPrif)

85 Greenwald told Clapper to save the melodrama. He'll need it because there are more stories coming. The message was delivered via Twitter.

Posted by: no good deed at June 09, 2013 03:40 PM (mjR67)

86 Delurking...


I see he took a swipe at the military by painting them as racists. Gotta go kill all the Arabs! Yea, that's it.


By the way, I agree that it is important to expose this, but he sounds like a disillusioned liberal. And I honestly believe that THIS administration was using all information collected for reasons other than publicly stated. I seem to remember having to follow certain directives pertaining to collection on U.S. persons when I was in the intelligence field. WTF has happened here?

Posted by: I Be That Chick at June 09, 2013 03:40 PM (wiJTg)

87 51

Something
that could not have happened 30 years ago because they would have given
him a BCD as soon as they found he was a homo.




Posted by: Vic
----------------

That

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 03:40 PM (aDwsi)

88 38 "There is no Martinson."
Posted by: Jack Ross at June 09, 2013 03:30 PM (gWHwW)


Martinson Coffee. $3.75/can at Waldbaum's.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 09, 2013 03:40 PM (+98Gb)

89 72
What are you talking about Yoshi.

I ain't got secret squirrel shit.

I'm saying when a guy leaks secret shit and flees to China he looks like a big old traitor to me.

He committed huge crimes by leaking this stuff.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:36 PM (ZPrif)

The IRS case shows the government commits crimes with what they know.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 03:41 PM (AWmfW)

90 Boy oh boy Drudge needs to stop pretending nothing happens on Sunday.

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 03:41 PM (M/TDA)

91 It seems to me that whatever he had learned in the past few years led him to believe Hong Kong was a good place to crash. Trying to imagine myself in that situation, it seems like it would be pretty easy to put political considerations aside if my life was on the line.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 03:41 PM (dh83Q)

92 Sorry but people that tell the truth are rarely your enemy. I can't believe people are calling the truth treason, especially when it''s the truth about the marxist layabout inhabiting the White House.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 09, 2013 03:41 PM (oJVMp)

93 I don't even know whats true anymore.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at June 09, 2013 03:42 PM (QCc6B)

94 I heartily recommend a bit of fiction on film called "The Lives of Others" not for the story arc, really, although it works as a story; that was all pure fiction and there are no reformed or apologetic former Stasi that I know of. I recommend it for the painstaking emphasis on accuracy of data collection methods and of manipulating others through fear of power of a state determined to preserve its power through KNOWING EVERYTHING and USING ANYTHING. All the real technology used, all the techniques are carefully researched and accurate to the every switch and cable. The only liberty taking is with scenes where the watcher is left unwatched. That never happened. There would be no room for conscience of a watcher and was not, in the real East Germany.

That's what they did THEN, with limited technology, limited powers, and unlimited desire for the power of information to maintain political power. What would they do today, with unlimited info-gathering power to couple with that unlimited desire?

Posted by: SarahW at June 09, 2013 03:42 PM (LYwCh)

95 Now we know who convinced Obama that a lawn chair is a totally awesome gift.

Posted by: t-bird at June 09, 2013 03:42 PM (FcR7P)

96 I put him in a different category than Manning. Spying on enemies or other countries is one thing, on your own people is quite a different matter.

Agreed. Another thing: There may be actual laws broken here. Real fundamental ones, not just Barky "interpreting" his new-and-improved version of the Patriot Act to his benefit. NSA is expressly forbidden to spy on Americans. They had to do a real dance to get away from that during the Echelon days.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 09, 2013 03:42 PM (xSegX)

97 84
The penalties for what this guy did are huge.

Government has to throw the book at him.

He said he's willing to suffer the consequences of his actions.



You aren't allowed to reveal classified info just because you *really*, *really* disagree with it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:40 PM (ZPrif)

What if the government is lawless?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 03:43 PM (AWmfW)

98 Snowden sounds like he is very smart, but not very well educated.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 03:43 PM (gWHwW)

99 89 I'm saying when a guy leaks secret shit and flees to China he looks like a big old traitor to me.

Curious. Where SHOULD he have fled to? Hawaii's been covering B.O.'s ass for years. What was the alternative? "Hiding"??

Posted by: goy at June 09, 2013 03:43 PM (QsFws)

100 He’s gonna think he’s a chicken that got caught in a tractor’s nuts.

Posted by: Slim Pickens at June 09, 2013 03:44 PM (5fSr7)

101
WTF? Why is stuff this sensitive entrusted to kids? If he was engaged with this prior to 2008, then he would have been 24.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 03:44 PM (aDwsi)

102 If he was in Japan, HK was the closest place to get to as quick as he could. The fact that it is Chi-Com certainly doesn't look good, but his exposing the utter tyrannical use of our own intelligence services against us is the key here.

Hero? Not so sure. Traitor? No.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 09, 2013 03:44 PM (+98Gb)

103 91
Again, what else does he know? I, for one, am waiting for the next shoe to drop. Talk shows should be mighty interesting tomorrow.

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 03:44 PM (M/TDA)

104 Anything that makes O look worse is a plus.

Posted by: hillary at June 09, 2013 03:44 PM (Q3BgV)

105 /// By the way, I agree that it is important to expose this, but he sounds like a disillusioned liberal. ///

Yeah, it's always got to be one of them. Not surprised to learn he didn't go far in the Special Forces pipeline, either. Just looking at his picture...lolll

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 03:44 PM (dh83Q)

106 An obama supporter who feels home in china.

Yeah, shocked

Posted by: Berserker at June 09, 2013 03:45 PM (FMbng)

107 Does he realize that he has a lot of knowledge the Chinese would like? I imagine they can be very 'convincing' when they want to be.

Posted by: t-bird at June 09, 2013 03:45 PM (FcR7P)

108 >>Where SHOULD he have fled to?<<

Ecuador?

Posted by: Lucky Pierre at June 09, 2013 03:45 PM (5fSr7)

109 From the article:"On May 20, he boarded a flight to Hong Kong, where he has remained ever
since. He chose the city because "they have a spirited commitment to
free speech and the right of political dissent""

Apparently, he isn't very knowledgable about HK either. It sounds like he still hasn't learned the lesson not to put your faith in governments. IOW, a rube who doesn't learn.

Posted by: pep at June 09, 2013 03:45 PM (6TB1Z)

110 96
I put him in a different category than Manning. Spying on enemies or
other countries is one thing, on your own people is quite a different
matter.



Agreed. Another thing: There may be actual laws broken here. Real
fundamental ones, not just Barky "interpreting" his new-and-improved
version of the Patriot Act to his benefit. NSA is expressly forbidden to
spy on Americans. They had to do a real dance to get away from that
during the Echelon days.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 09, 2013 03:42 PM (xSegX)

I too think the Manning leak is different.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 03:45 PM (AWmfW)

111 Booz Allen is f*****, business-wise.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe

Daughter #3 just took a job with Deloitte. She also had an offer from Booz. Smart move on her part.
Posted by: pep at June 09, 2013 03:34 PM (6TB1Z)


I have friends who retired from the military and are employed there (Booz Allen). They are pissed about this...lighting up Facebook.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at June 09, 2013 03:45 PM (wiJTg)

112 If you are gonna break the law to advance your cause, then be prepared to do the time.
No different from the "direct action" stuff the Left likes to do.
The US Govt has to, and should, bring the hammer down on this guy.
Maybe he can be so sympathetic he gets jury nullification.
But the US can't look the other way when some guy starts leaking classified info just cause he feels like it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:46 PM (ZPrif)

113 Finally Drudge catches up with AoS.

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 03:46 PM (M/TDA)

114 So what you're saying is that there is a contractor position opening up at Booz Allen Hamilton? Cool, I'm getting my resume together right now.

Posted by: Minuteman at June 09, 2013 03:46 PM (dSE0q)

115
If I was on the jury (*limited to info I know at this moment), I vote acquittal because what the govt was doing was a clear violation of the Constitution and every American's rights.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2013 03:47 PM (g5YAm)

116 Read the articles. Ten bucks say he is a Alinsky, Noam Chomsky loving disaffected obamaite. He loves Bradley Manning.



I am glad he did it however.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 09, 2013 03:47 PM (nH8jP)

117 As DrewM's Post title states, the story has now become all about the leaker. Great gift to the administration to shift attention from illegal govt activity. Stupid kid is behaving like an abused child who still loves his abuser. Another splendid example of liberalism as mental illness.

Posted by: Cate in IN at June 09, 2013 03:47 PM (1JJGO)

118
I heartily recommend a bit of fiction on film called "The Lives of Others"

***

I though that was a great Krautflick. I seem to be saying this a lot lately but when I watched the movie several years ago, the thought crossed my mind that thank God nothing like that could happen in this country. Wrong again!

I thought the movie was fun, informative, and moving.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 09, 2013 03:47 PM (XUKZU)

119
"By the way, I agree that it is important to expose this, but he sounds like a disillusioned liberal."

Sounds like? He thought TFG was actually going to shut it all down and was then shocked when thatKenyan POS goosed the throttle on all the creepy bad stuff.

So yeah. Liberal. Liberal and stupid.

Posted by: Jaws at June 09, 2013 03:48 PM (4I3Uo)

120 107
Does he realize that he has a lot of knowledge the Chinese would like? I
imagine they can be very 'convincing' when they want to be.

Posted by: t-bird at June 09, 2013 03:45 PM (FcR7P)

Like Benghazi ,they know most of it. It's the public that's kept in the dark.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 03:48 PM (AWmfW)

121 Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 03:45 PM (AWmfW)

agreed

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 03:48 PM (dh83Q)

122 I suspect the golf outing today has been ruined

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 03:48 PM (M/TDA)

123 116 Read the articles. Ten bucks say he is a Alinsky, Noam Chomsky loving disaffected obamaite...

Sounds like both he AND Greenwald are going through something of an epiphany then.

Posted by: goy at June 09, 2013 03:48 PM (QsFws)

124 If I was a defense lawyer Id be having a field day. Id subpoena every record nsa has on my clients

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 09, 2013 03:48 PM (oJVMp)

125 Son worked a summer for Booz Allen, they offered him a job, he went somewhere else.

SO. How does Drew get access to the Flaming Skull?

I thought only the head ewok could pull him out.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 09, 2013 03:49 PM (wR+pz)

126 He deserves the Presidential Bench of Freedom.



We can only hope the next duly elected POTUS does just that. The people running this op are the traitors, not Snowden.

Posted by: goy
-----------------------

We don't know what else he might do. Remains to be seen...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 03:49 PM (aDwsi)

127 98 Snowden sounds like he is very smart, but not very well educated. Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 03:43 PM (gWHwW) ******************** LOL. He's an Obama voter who believed Obama's BS.He's neither smart nor well educated.

Posted by: enraged citizen at June 09, 2013 03:49 PM (/sohm)

128 #88

Martinson and Ross are references to "A Few Good Men."

Martinson was Col Jessup's aid and disappeared so as to not have to testify. Ross was the army prosecutor.

Yes, an arcane reference.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 03:49 PM (gWHwW)

129 He left in 2009 -- he's go no idea of what its morphed into since...

If one disgruntled Hope'n Changer cracked, more will.

Posted by: Purp at June 09, 2013 03:49 PM (Dc/7h)

130 Booz Allen is fucked, business-wise.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe


I'm sure they'll cry all the way to their hedge fund's office.

A regular turn-over in the defense industry is a good thing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 09, 2013 03:49 PM (SX6wc)

131 No different from the "direct action" stuff the Left likes to do.

***

Daniel Ellsberg anyone?

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 09, 2013 03:49 PM (XUKZU)

132 /// So yeah. Liberal. Liberal and stupid. ///

Actually, he voted for a third party in 2008, so he's a dyed-in-the-fucking-wool bona fide disciple of Luap Nor.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 03:49 PM (dh83Q)

133 Surely all of you realize that Prism means that there is no lawyer - client or doctor - patient confidentiality for phone calls don't you?

Of course the NSA has all of your phone calls - what do you think they're recording re-runs of I Love Lucy?

Posted by: An Observation at June 09, 2013 03:50 PM (ylhEn)

134 Let's see how the Left loves whistleblowers when the guy is doing it because Their Precious is a tyrant.


I agree that the whole oh hey I'm going to go to China because that's safe is bad bad bad. I can make some pretty educated guesses as to what he gave the Chicoms in exchange for sanctuary.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 03:50 PM (Gk3SS)

135 In Catch-22 Lt Snowden's only line was "Oh. well. what the hell".

Posted by: Minuteman at June 09, 2013 03:50 PM (dSE0q)

136 123
116 Read the articles. Ten bucks say he is a Alinsky, Noam Chomsky loving disaffected obamaite...



Sounds like both he AND Greenwald are going through something of an epiphany then.

Posted by: goy
-----------

Smells that way.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 03:50 PM (aDwsi)

137
Sounds like? He thought TFG was actually going
to shut it all down and was then shocked when thatKenyan POS goosed the
throttle on all the creepy bad stuff.

So yeah. Liberal. Liberal and stupid.

Posted by: Jaws at June 09, 2013 03:48 PM (4I3Uo)

At least he didn't keep lying to himself.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 03:50 PM (AWmfW)

138
Yeah, his attitude (and age) and lack of perspective are sick-making, not inspiring. I simply don't have any confidence in the intellect of these sorts of "heroic leakers" to be anything but furious at them and their deeds. (witness his pathetic "hope" arising from the election of the absurdly unfit affirmative action non-entity in 200 The underlying thing he's leaking seems pretty bad - but then again, .....

How about the SWIFT surveillance? Agreed to by all the members, targeted, and effective - among other successes, being key to nailing Hambali, then-top AQ honcho in SE Asia. Oh - but not clean enough for the NYT, which published about it even in the face of pleas from the POTUS and other allies' intel agencies not to do so.

Or the "warrantless wiretaps" also revealed by the NYT? Notwithstanding the predictable hysteria from "civil libertarians," they were well within the POTUS constitutional powers, and well within the rather elaborate parameters developed both before and after FISA. And there was no evidence they were misused, at all. Oh - but this very important intel source against AQ also had to be destroyed to satisfy the egos, insane political agenda,and puny intellects of the NYT big shots.

So I start from a place of utter indifference and deep suspicion when it comes to leakers whose life experience and responsibilities are miniscule, when it is these things that inform their decisions. This guy would have been right there along with the scum (incl. senior intel types in the McLean neighborhood) revealing vital intel operations in the midst of a hot war after 9/11. Those people should have had their careers and families ruined, their pensions cancelled, etc. That none of them suffered any consequences probably helped throw open the door to what may become, in the end, a disastrous situation that many here will be incensed about, but which this leak will also help create.

How much has "wolf" been hysterically cried since 9/11? Patriot Act - what were its documented depredations, again? And why was it that powers long on the books for other areas of investigation (white collar crime, drugs) suddenly became frightening when the target was, uh, organizations seeking to murder millions of Americans? And the hysteria wasn't limited to the usual suspects.

Right, so THIS time, "wolf" turns out to be correct. Glad that there will be pressure to end/change some of the surveillance. But there's little doubt that this whole episode further erodes the already-eroded ability of the US intel services to do their jobs and esp. to get cooperation from others. This damage was dramatic and clear a few years back in certain theaters, where it cost American lives.

Posted by: non-purist at June 09, 2013 03:50 PM (afQnV)

139 I know it's bad form to read the article before commenting on it, but sometimes bad form is called for. Now is one of those times.

This could be the nightmare scenario Obama's karma has been building up for him. If this Snowden guy is even halfway as legit as he sounds, Obama's Nixonificaiton at the hands of Glen Greenwald is just getting started.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillian-billionaire-layabout at June 09, 2013 03:50 PM (27tUc)

140 Yeah, so lets just not have laws against leaking classified info. Fucking genius!
Or we'll have the laws, but not apply them when we agree with the lawbreaker.

He did the crime, he should do the time.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:50 PM (ZPrif)

141 129 If one disgruntled Hope'n Changer cracked, more will.


This.

Posted by: goy at June 09, 2013 03:50 PM (QsFws)

142 *I imagine they can be very 'convincing' when they want to be.

I doubt they'd use torture or force at first. Sometimes cash and/or women are good enough. Lord knows China understands that using beautiful women to extract information from hapless and clueless men is an effective and low-risk technique of intelligence gathering.

Posted by: Thrawn at June 09, 2013 03:51 PM (UR5vq)

143 108 >>Where SHOULD he have fled to?

Ecuador?
Posted by: Lucky Pierre at June 09, 2013 03:45 PM (5fSr7)


Oddly enough, China is probably where he's safest from us. The fact that he has very sensitive info about our national security is the problem.

Quandary:

Our own government is activating the instrumentalities of a police state against us.

In order to reveal this, an operative on the inside has to flee to a hostile government in order to feel safe from retribution by the US.

However, fleeing there makes him vulnerable to give up under coercion (or not) the actual secrets that we do legitimately need to keep us safe.

Also, as a side note, since more and more key military and intelligence positions are filled with political hacks who tow the regime line, no one else except a brain-dead lib would have come forward to spill the beans since that's all there are.

Maybe he's not a hero, in the classic sense, but what he did needed to be done.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 09, 2013 03:51 PM (+98Gb)

144 I know what Obama will be saying next week, "I read about this in the newspaper, same as you."

People should stop referencing Obama. If you want to blame Obama, don't bother. Blame the Democrats instead. They need to be tarred and feathered with this.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 03:51 PM (gWHwW)

145 133
Surely all of you realize that Prism means that there is no lawyer -
client or doctor - patient confidentiality for phone calls don't you?

Of course the NSA has all of your phone calls - what do you think they're recording re-runs of I Love Lucy?



Posted by: An Observation at June 09, 2013 03:50 PM (ylhEn)

Why would the government leak anything?

Posted by: IRS at June 09, 2013 03:52 PM (AWmfW)

146 Hong Kong is well-known for protecting bank account holders from the snooping of IRS and other US agencies. The city may officially be Chinese, but it's such an economic powerhouse that China essentially lets it function as a separate country.

Hong Kong ≢ Chi-Coms.

Going to Hong Kong was a good move. He'll be protected there.

Posted by: Michael the a hobbit, but you can call me Michael at June 09, 2013 03:53 PM (7cS5n)

147
This guy doesn't sound like somebody I would like to hang out with but I put him in a different category than Manning. Spying on enemies or other countries is one thing, on your own people is quite a different matter. So I am glad he did it.

Me too. If the government is doing something unconstitutional/illegal, we do need to know about it.

The irony of a Dim blowing the whistle on TFG's administration just buuuuuurrrrrrnnnnnsssss.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 03:53 PM (0HooB)

148 He is not a nut.
Appears legit.

The jig is up.

Posted by: Name unknown at June 09, 2013 03:53 PM (iYtEu)

149 Well, put his ass in jail for breaking Federal law or take his ass out if he wants to discuss shit with the Chicoms, but if anyone wants us to return to some sort of Constitutional governance then the feds need to be flushed from top to bottom.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 09, 2013 03:54 PM (cK0tU)

150 Secondly, the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there would be real reforms, rendering disclosures unnecessary.

There sure are a lot of people who can't connect the big-government statist party with being the party that demands more power and control and less respect of the individual. They take two faces of the same thing and convince themselves they are polar opposites.

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 03:54 PM (MMC8r)

151 66No, article mentions he has a gf. So, not gay.Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:35 PM (ZPrif)The article I saw he mentioned his "partner". I'm thinking he's an uphill farmer.

Posted by: Minuteman at June 09, 2013 03:54 PM (dSE0q)

152 WTF? Why is stuff this sensitive entrusted to kids? If he was engaged with this prior to 2008, then he would have been 24.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 03:44 PM (aDwsi)


If you graduate from one of the academies (Naval, West Point, Air Force, and I'm sure Coast Guard) with an intent to do intel you're younger than 24.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 03:54 PM (08XhI)

153 119
"By the way, I agree that it is important to expose this, but he sounds like a disillusioned liberal."

Sounds like? He thought TFG was actually going to shut it all down and was then shocked when thatKenyan POS goosed the throttle on all the creepy bad stuff.

So yeah. Liberal. Liberal and stupid.
Posted by: Jaws at June 09, 2013 03:48 PM (4I3Uo)


I agree with you, he is a liberal. But seeing as a large percentage of the RINO faction thought highly of TFG in 2008, he could have been that too. But I agree, he is a liberal.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at June 09, 2013 03:55 PM (wiJTg)

154 Maybe he's not a hero, in the classic sense, but what he did needed to be done.







Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 09, 2013 03:51 PM (+98Gb)
No hero is perfect.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 03:55 PM (AWmfW)

155 You and I are minnows in a big school of fish. Only way to survive is to blend in. They come for "them" now, but who knows how wide a net will be cast and whom will land in the terrorist column. Didn't Homeland Sec. Call Christians and Tea partiers dangerous threats?

Posted by: Govtlies at June 09, 2013 03:55 PM (B2SVf)

156 Send Batman to Hong Kong again.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at June 09, 2013 03:55 PM (x6weF)

157 As a librarian I'd like to point about that 'metadata' is another way of saying 'catalog information'.

In other words, you use the metadata so you can store, and retrieve the actual data.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 03:55 PM (gWHwW)

158 /// Or the "warrantless wiretaps" also revealed by the NYT? Notwithstanding the predictable hysteria from "civil libertarians," they were well within the POTUS constitutional powers, and well within the rather elaborate parameters developed both before and after FISA. ///

That was then, this is now. Did you read that Wired article from yesterday? FISA is an absolute joke.

After the IRS, defending the Man is straight-up shilling. No two ways about it.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 03:55 PM (dh83Q)

159 Maybe he's not a hero, in the classic sense, but what he did needed to be done.


Roger that.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 09, 2013 03:56 PM (cK0tU)

160 The Guardian is on quite a tear wonder what's next?

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 03:56 PM (M/TDA)

161 If you graduate from one of the academies (Naval, West Point, Air Force, and I'm sure Coast Guard) with an intent to do intel you're younger than 24.

Posted by: Vendette


A system that would put new grads into the most sensitive programs is a system that needs to be re-evaluated obviously.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 09, 2013 03:56 PM (SX6wc)

162 He's no hero. Gyro or pannini? Maybe. Possibly a grinder.

But definitely not a hero.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 09, 2013 03:57 PM (+98Gb)

163 I'd like to inject a few ideas to the current guessings.

a) at 24 - you can really expect someone to be low info in this day and age.
b) if he voted for 3rd party in 2008 - maybe he was starting to realize something was up.
c) the "I expected obama to roll this back" line is a great way to get under liberals' skin - this may not be what he actually thinks, but a line designed to have the most power.

Posted by: dantealiegri at June 09, 2013 03:57 PM (VXYXz)

164 I don't see why this guy is called a traitor. He's a fucking patriot. Probably getting paid a decent wage before his reveal and now there is a bullseye on his back by CIA and the NSA.

Our rights are being trampled in front of our eyes. It's slowly being revealed how much of a police state we live in. How do you call someone a traitor who is revealing corruption and illegality by our government officials?

Posted by: Turkey O Tooley at June 09, 2013 03:57 PM (Zd5Sb)

165 He can go to jail but I am glad it's out there.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 09, 2013 03:57 PM (nH8jP)

166 Wow.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 09, 2013 03:57 PM (baL2B)

167 Why the fuck aren't some people on here utterly apopleptic that their teenage daughters texts are stored on a server under a mountain somewhere?

What the fuck is wrong with you normally level-headed people?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 09, 2013 03:57 PM (oJVMp)

168 Put in charge of the most technologically advanced surveillance tools in human history a bunch of hyper political Chicago street thugs who say things like "a crisis is a terrible thing to waste" and "punish your enemies".

What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Big Pussy at June 09, 2013 03:58 PM (u3N3z)

169 Didn't Homeland Sec. Call Christians and Tea partiers dangerous threats?


Posted by: Govtlies at June 09, 2013 03:55 PM (B2SVf)

Indeed.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 03:58 PM (AWmfW)

170 But the Democratic Party seemed so sincere, seemingly had so much compassion.

And then I saw those horrific files of Harry Reid and those poor children. The man is a monster.

Posted by: Edward Snowden at June 09, 2013 03:58 PM (gWHwW)

171 Meh...this whole "flaming skull" thing is kinda getting played out...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at June 09, 2013 03:58 PM (Y5I9o)

172 Well. Let's start drinking with a purpose.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 03:58 PM (GEICT)

173 Did he leak any information data from the program or just the program is there. If he leaked info captured from the program that is information that should stay private but no the program to get it.

Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at June 09, 2013 03:59 PM (CdeLs)

174 ... and why is the UK media doing OUR media's heavy lifting?

Don't answer, that is a rhetorical question.

Posted by: Name unknown at June 09, 2013 03:59 PM (iYtEu)

175
"At least he didn't keep lying to himself."

Snort.

If he *wasn't* facing an unfortunate demise / a lifetime in a Federal PMITA prison (which I think he may dig if you read the interview, but I digress) and was a plain old everday libtard on the street, the first new donk candidate to coma along and pay lip service his "concerns" would get his money and his vote. This would only be a brief interlude in the lies.


Posted by: Jaws at June 09, 2013 03:59 PM (4I3Uo)

176 Yeah, Hong Kong at first sounds fishy, but the more you think about it the smarter it is.

Notice he pleaded broke, so I guess the Guardian is footing his bills? That or what?

There is a lot more to this story. Even NY Slime is running it.

Barry boogied that last ten holes I am betting and Titcomb and he are going to get their dicks sucked.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 09, 2013 03:59 PM (wR+pz)

177 154 No hero is perfect.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 03:55 PM (AWmfW)


Yup. And as I said, the upper echelons of the military and the intelligence community have been purged and replaced with Leftist hacks.

So for this guy to do what he did took some pretty big cojones, whatever his politics coming in to the service might have been.

(sound of scales falling from eyes, peut-etre?)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 09, 2013 03:59 PM (+98Gb)

178 This could be the nightmare scenario Obama's karma
has been building up for him. If this Snowden guy is even halfway as
legit as he sounds, Obama's Nixonificaiton at the hands of Glen
Greenwald is just getting started.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillian-billionaire-layabout at June 09, 2013 03:50 PM (27tUc)



To his credit, Greenwald has been completely consistent about his views on surveillance since 2001 and continuing after TFG was elected. If anything, he's even more furious that it's his side that's doing this. If he's the one who breaks this wide open? It's through hard work. *grits teeth and forces it out* I am happy for him.


As far as the is this guy a traitor issue, there's nothing inconsistent between saying he did what needed to be done and that he should be prosecuted for it.


Jury nullification is a helluva thing.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 03:59 PM (Gk3SS)

179 People should stop referencing Obama. If you want to blame Obama, don't
bother. Blame the Democrats instead. They need to be tarred and
feathered with this.


So, Obama's a Republican? Got it.

Posted by: Snerk at June 09, 2013 04:00 PM (FvyJS)

180 What the fuck is wrong with you normally level-headed people?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 09, 2013 03:57 PM (oJVMp)

How lovely to see you, Herr Morgenholz! I can only speak for myself but I'm really getting to the point where my give-a-damn is busted. While definitely shocking, this doesn't surprise me even a little bit.

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 04:00 PM (8lmkt)

181
I agree with you, he is a liberal. But seeing as a large percentage of the RINO faction thought highly of TFG in 2008, he could have been that too. But I agree, he is a liberal.......................


Square that with the information that he is reading Dick Cheneys biography. I don't know how many liberals have read that.

Posted by: Molly k. at June 09, 2013 04:00 PM (WgeYS)

182 /// I don't see why this guy is called a traitor. He's a fucking patriot. Probably getting paid a decent wage before his reveal and now there is a bullseye on his back by CIA and the NSA. ///

$200,000 a year.

If this guy leaked something because he was mad about the CIA's actions abroad, then fuck him.

But he's revealing the actions of the supposedly foreign SIGINT intelligence apparatus as they are brought to bear against US.

I would probably dislike this dude, personally. But I think he's a patriot. America is no police state.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 04:00 PM (dh83Q)

183
"Maybe he's not a hero, in the classic sense, but what he did needed to be done."

Yup. But let's not jump to the conclusion that he wants what we want, generally.

Posted by: Jaws at June 09, 2013 04:01 PM (4I3Uo)

184 You know this naming of the leaker is just a smokescreen for the poorly made redwood bench scandal? Right?

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:01 PM (M/TDA)

185 171 Meh...this whole "flaming skull" thing is kinda getting played out...
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at June 09, 2013 03:58 PM (Y5I9o)


One day, it will be our own skulls actually on fire, so better you see this than experience that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 09, 2013 04:01 PM (+98Gb)

186 #164

We need a like button on this site, Ace.

Posted by: Name unknown at June 09, 2013 04:01 PM (iYtEu)

187 164
I don't see why this guy is called a traitor. He's a fucking patriot.
Probably getting paid a decent wage before his reveal and now there is a
bullseye on his back by CIA and the NSA.



Our rights are being trampled in front of our eyes. It's slowly
being revealed how much of a police state we live in. How do you call
someone a traitor who is revealing corruption and illegality by our
government officials?

Posted by: Turkey O Tooley at June 09, 2013 03:57 PM (Zd5Sb)

With the media in the tyrants pocket , how else could it be done?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 04:01 PM (AWmfW)

188 6 Days of the Condor? The Trial? Sigh.

Posted by: Govtlies at June 09, 2013 04:01 PM (B2SVf)

189 As far as the is this guy a traitor issue, there's nothing inconsistent between saying he did what needed to be done and that he should be prosecuted for it.


Jury nullification Federal pound you in the ass prison is a helluva thing.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 03:59 PM (Gk3SS)


Do the crime, do the time. Lock him up.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:02 PM (GEICT)

190 Well. Let's start drinking with a purpose. BCochran1981
------
I've got the gin lovers covered. Bombay Sapphire anyone?

Posted by: Cate in IN at June 09, 2013 04:02 PM (1JJGO)

191 Is the motivation of the leaker more important than the information he
revealed? So what if he is a disillusioned liberal? The revelation
that the US government is spying on its citizens should eclipse any
other story. I said earlier today that I was conflicted about Bradley
Manning because of this new leak. I'm not conflicted anymore. Manning
and this guy both broke the law and should be punished accordingly, but
Snowden may actual turn out to be a hero for his disclosure.

Posted by: no good deed at June 09, 2013 04:02 PM (mjR67)

192 #182


+1

Posted by: Name unknown at June 09, 2013 04:02 PM (iYtEu)

193 Yeah, so lets just not have laws against leaking classified info. Fucking genius!
Or we'll have the laws, but not apply them when we agree with the lawbreaker.

He did the crime, he should do the time.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:50 PM (ZPrif)


I agree with you. Even though this type of fascist behavior by the government needs to be exposed, he still needs to be prosecuted.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at June 09, 2013 04:02 PM (wiJTg)

194 Didn't read comments. Vendette, if you're here, you're in. Go check your email for a Welcome email.

Now go post your pics :-)

Posted by: L, elle at June 09, 2013 04:02 PM (0PiQ4)

195
#143
Excellent summary. Just tweeted it.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 09, 2013 04:03 PM (5YUSx)

196 He gives a pretty reasoned acoount of Why He made these choices in the video.

Posted by: willow at June 09, 2013 04:03 PM (nqBYe)

197 If you graduate from one of the academies (Naval,
West Point, Air Force, and I'm sure Coast Guard) with an intent to do
intel you're younger than 24.

Posted by: Vendette
-------------------

Yes..., but that isn't the case here, nor was it with Manning. It isn't *just* a question of age..., it is also a question of history/background.

We might be happy that the guy leaked what he did, although it isn't over yet. At any rate, so far as access to highly classified information is concerned, he was unsuited. I'm disturbed about the choice of China.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 04:03 PM (aDwsi)

198 I don't think this is what Obama had in mind with "See something say something"! LOL

Posted by: Govtlies at June 09, 2013 04:03 PM (B2SVf)

199 The Democrats are happy to use the Federal Govt to spy on people, especially Christians, conservatives, Republicans, Jews, Blacks who stray from the plantation, and every single Federal Employee (so as to make sure they do what they are told).

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 04:03 PM (gWHwW)

200 Manning's issue is he indiscriminately released a pile of cables that was mostly consistent with what both need to be protected communication and not a real issue. If he targeted his release to certain malfeasance he may still be in trouble but not in the level of trouble he is in... Gotta not get locked in with the "set all the data and secrets free" camp.

In this case, the American people have every right to be protected from the predatory nature of its own govt. unlike manning this seems to be an undetailed release (structures, not particulars) and these things surely need a level of scrutiny.

As to his jaunting off to HK, I agree this guy sounds naive but a lot of people are... Unlike manning I think the heart may be in the right place even if he doesn't bother to reconcile certain realities.

Who amongst us doesn't think we'd be black helicoptered in an identical situation.

Blanket access to the information of Americans should not be permitted because abuse will be justified

Posted by: Former Mass. Resident at June 09, 2013 04:03 PM (+NNlC)

201 This post needs more Cake Girl.

Posted by: garrett at June 09, 2013 04:03 PM (LVqhM)

202 Yeah, prison and all that...but I think he makes a good case for a presidential pardon. How the hell would we know about this if not for him?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 04:03 PM (dh83Q)

203 184
You know this naming of the leaker is just a smokescreen for the poorly made redwood bench scandal? Right?



Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:01 PM (M/TDA)

You better be quiet, boy.

Posted by: NSA at June 09, 2013 04:03 PM (AWmfW)

204 Now go post your pics :-)
Posted by: L, elle at June 09, 2013 04:02 PM (0PiQ4)




pleasepleasepleaseplease

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:03 PM (GEICT)

205 If you graduate from one of the academies (Naval, West Point, Air
Force, and I'm sure Coast Guard) with an intent to do intel you're
younger than 24.

Posted by: Vendette

------

I'm guessing few grads of the military academies "intend" to do Intel. They "intend" to do aviation, submarines, infantry, armor, engineers, etc. But they don't "intend" to Intel any more than they intend to do personnel or supply, Important to be sure, but not the career path to the top the others are.

Anybody say for sure?

Posted by: Roscoe at June 09, 2013 04:04 PM (u3N3z)

206 His Chinese hosts would love to have all the capabilities that he's blowing the whistle on.

If they don't already.

But likely will soon.

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 04:04 PM (MMC8r)

207 198
OMG. I forgot about that.

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:04 PM (M/TDA)

208 None of this matters. If anyone here thinks that normal judiciary or legislative processes are going to tear down the current spying infrastructure already in place - hey, I've got a some land for sale in Florida I want to talk to you about.

This is the (relatively) new normal. Get used to it and live your lives accordingly.

Posted by: Not an Artist at June 09, 2013 04:05 PM (uRumV)

209 184 You know this naming of the leaker is just a smokescreen for the poorly made redwood bench scandal? Right?
Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:01 PM (M/TDA)


Now that there is funny!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 09, 2013 04:05 PM (+98Gb)

210 I don't think this is what Obama had in mind with "See something say something"!


Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 04:05 PM (8lmkt)

211 *Yawn*

Wake me when we're supposed to start shooting each other.

Posted by: Daybrother at June 09, 2013 04:05 PM (PwwQH)

212 If what they are doing is lawless, (and it is), and the government is poised to control its citizens and punish them or single them out and limit or control their speech and their associations with other law-abiding persons (and they are) and the government is poised to control massive new amounts of intensely personal data (and they are) this is a hash that needs settling now.

This data will be used against us. It will be absolutely irresistible. Will we be any stronger and able to push back, when every one must speak the right words or have the right tone and think the right things, or have themselves targeted and prospects blasted, or their family members or friends targeted and prospects blasted?

Posted by: SarahW at June 09, 2013 04:06 PM (LYwCh)

213 /// None of this matters. If anyone here thinks that normal judiciary or legislative processes are going to tear down the current spying infrastructure already in place - hey, I've got a some land for sale in Florida I want to talk to you about. ///

Oh so this would have happened without the PATRIOT act?

Fie on yo land in Florida.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 04:06 PM (dh83Q)

214 While his naivete about TFG and the actual mechanics of spycraft is hilarious, I think he comes off as generally credible. I'm with Morgenholz on this one.

And 100% on what ATC said about Greenwald, too. Saves me from grinding my teeth and typing it myself.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 09, 2013 04:06 PM (OevbG)

215 he still needs to be prosecuted.

By whom? Can defendants moonlight as prosecutors?

Posted by: t-bird at June 09, 2013 04:06 PM (FcR7P)

216 I can't believe you guys are indifferent about Obama sharing cutting edge Bench Technologies with the Chinese.

Posted by: garrett at June 09, 2013 04:06 PM (LVqhM)

217 Good rec. SarahW. Saw that movie. Apt.

Posted by: Govtlies at June 09, 2013 04:06 PM (B2SVf)

218 I find it difficult to reconcile my interest in maintaining legitimate
state security with Snowden's actions to reveal what was an out of
control, probably illegal, but still classified, program. Let's assume
for the moment that his motives were absolutely pure. Does that entitle
him to release classified information, because in his opinion, it won't
hurt anyone? If not, then what is a person in his situation to do to
call attention to ongoing activity like the NSA's surveillance?

So far, I've only come up with 2 answers.
1)
Go to a politician he trusts (I know), e.g. perhaps a Rand Paul or
whomever, and let him push the thing forward. He at least has some
access to the levers of power, and the ability to draw attention to
things in a way that the press will be unable to ignore.
2) Describe
the program in general terms to the press, and then offer himself up for
prosecution. This option has the virtue of putting the spotlight on the
violation rather than on his escape to China.

It is not an easy situation.

Posted by: pep at June 09, 2013 04:07 PM (6TB1Z)

219 This post needs more Cake Girl.

Posted by: garrett at June 09, 2013 04:03 PM (LVqhM)



Always an excellent point.


Will this do instead?


http://bit.ly/102Wyrx

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 04:07 PM (Gk3SS)

220
Uh, he didn't gradaute from any service academy. He didn't graduate HS. He joined the ARMY at an early age. As an enlisted.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 09, 2013 04:07 PM (5YUSx)

221 If you are gonna break the law to advance your cause, then be prepared to do the time.

No different from the "direct action" stuff the Left likes to do.

The US Govt has to, and should, bring the hammer down on this guy.

Maybe he can be so sympathetic he gets jury nullification.

But the US can't look the other way when some guy starts leaking classified info just cause he feels like it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:46 PM (ZPrif)

Like I said to Thomas Jefferson and George Washington - "You do realize they're going to hang you for treason don't you?"Because even illegal tyrannical governments get your full respect.

Posted by: An Observation at June 09, 2013 04:07 PM (ylhEn)

222 ... and why is the UK media doing OUR media's heavy lifting?

Don't answer, that is a rhetorical question.

***

Because our media are a bunch of heel-clicking, Sieg heiling worshipers of the new world order.

That's a rhetorical answer.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 09, 2013 04:07 PM (XUKZU)

223 195
#143
Excellent summary. Just tweeted it.
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 09, 2013 04:03 PM (5YUSx)


Thanks Comrade. If only I tweeted.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 09, 2013 04:07 PM (+98Gb)

224 Posted by: Ian S. at June 09, 2013 04:06 PM (OevbG)

agreed. thanks for taking that bullet, atc.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 04:07 PM (dh83Q)

225 The city may officially be Chinese, but it's such an economic powerhouse that China essentially lets it function as a separate country.

And that's true if you're a rich nobody trying to avoid some US or European taxes. He's way too high profile but, strangely, not high profile enough.

So if he's disappeared in 4 months when all of the media is focused on the NJ Senate election, will anybody notice? Maybe Greenwald and The Guardian will. But he'll be forgotten.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 09, 2013 04:08 PM (xSegX)

226 Greenwald. This century's Woodward and Bernstein ?

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:08 PM (M/TDA)

227 /// 216 I can't believe you guys are indifferent about Obama sharing cutting edge Bench Technologies with the Chinese. ///

LOLOL

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 04:08 PM (dh83Q)

228 >>>Get used to it and live your lives accordinglly.

No.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 09, 2013 04:08 PM (oJVMp)

229
Hey yoshi, the IRS scandal and this are very, very different. And nobody is "shilling" for "the man" - whoever that is. And yes, as FISA depends on personnel, not just words on paper, it could very well have degraded to the point that most of our legal and constitutional processes have. At one time I had extensive and direct contact with the process, and know that it was very solid - actual judges and actual guvamint employees who took the rules and law very sersiously, and wrassled vigorously but in good faith.

Of course with a few exceptions it seems the degradation of the republic has been esp. bad in the legal arena, which acted as a check on the varying levels of competence and virtue in the political one.

Sort of semi-OT, but it is very discouraging confirmation of a trend to see, on various firearms-related forums, the legal types defending the capricious, silly, indefensible nonsense that now regularly issues from all levels, up to the SCOTUS. On all matters. They mock the non-specialists - who often understand the principles, history, and issues much better than they - and claim that when decisions go "the right way", everyone is praising the wisdom of the courts. Utter nonsense, of course. So if the SCOTUS can become, as it arguably has, a fairly ridiculous and unserious institution, then I can imagine FISA is a shambles, too.

One reason I'm sort of "meh" about this NSA thing. The pervasive, hard-to-believe, relentless, astonishing degradation going on around us, in almost every field, for years now. By definition, I don't know where to begin. But observant thoughtful types know what I mean. So is this bad? You bet. Is it noticeably worse than all the other lawlessness, racism and race-obsession, collapse of standards, rent-seeking corruption, assaults on common sense, repression of prosperity, and loss of liberty that has become a tornado in the last few years? Nah.

Posted by: non-purist at June 09, 2013 04:08 PM (afQnV)

230 222 Because our media are a bunch of heel-clicking, Sieg heiling worshipers of the new world order.

That's a rhetorical answer.
Posted by: WalrusRex at June 09, 2013 04:07 PM (XUKZU)


You know, considering the UK is a virtual sharia republic and they have the Guardian and BBC, it is amazing that shit does get reported honestly.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 09, 2013 04:08 PM (+98Gb)

231 This guy is different from Manning. What Manning outed was people, putting them in jeopardy or got them killed, but what this guy outed was a system or an organization. What he is claiming is the U.S. government is keeping all of our data, not just foreign stuff.

Posted by: Willaim Eaton at June 09, 2013 04:08 PM (rwioF)

232 The flight to North Korea must have been fully booked.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at June 09, 2013 04:09 PM (jz0+s)

233 This is what "Let it burn" looks like.

Posted by: Minuteman at June 09, 2013 04:09 PM (dSE0q)

234 Now go post your pics :-)
Posted by: L, elle at June 09, 2013 04:02 PM (0PiQ4)



pleasepleasepleaseplease

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:03 PM


I'm boring. Deal with it.


Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:09 PM (08XhI)

235 Oh so this would have happened without the PATRIOT act?



Fie on yo land in Florida.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 04:06 PM (dh83Q)

----------------------
That's why I said "relatively". Of course it happened because of the Patriot Act. What I'm saying is that even if some of all of this infrastructure or processes are 'deemed' illegal, then POTUS only has to sign an executive order and it's back in place. It's not going away.

Posted by: Not an Artist at June 09, 2013 04:09 PM (uRumV)

236 We're soon going to learn about Obama's Peace Prize-winning drone technology. Hong Kong is a difficult target.

Posted by: t-bird at June 09, 2013 04:10 PM (FcR7P)

237 Hong Kong is controlled by Red China?!!! When the fuck did that happen?

Posted by: Edward Snowden at June 09, 2013 04:11 PM (gWHwW)

238 Dammit!

Posted by: Jack Bauer at June 09, 2013 04:11 PM (Lpot3)

239 There's an episode of the original Outer Limits series called 'OBIT.'

Wiki: "While inquiring into the murder of an administrator at a government research facility, a U.S. senator is confronted with paranoia, secrecy, and intimidation. He ultimately learns the cause: An unusual security device that is used to monitor its employees. The Outer Band Individuated Teletracer (known by the acronym O.B.I.T.)[1] is so pervasive and invasive that no one can escape its prying eye, at any time or in any place. It is even deemed addictive by some of its operators. After a missing administrator is found and reveals his knowledge of O.B.I.T., its sinister, unearthly origins and purpose become apparent; the device is, in actuality, an alien invention that was designed to demoralize and desensitize the human race in preparation for invasion."

This episode has chilling parallels to this whole PRISM thing.

You can watch it on Hulu: http://www.hulu.com/watch/63079

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 04:11 PM (MMC8r)

240 237 Hong Kong is controlled by Red China?!!! When the fuck did that happen?
Posted by: Edward Snowden at June 09, 2013 04:11 PM (gWHwW)

Red China? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at June 09, 2013 04:11 PM (ggXyh)

241 181
I agree with you, he is a liberal. But seeing as a large percentage of the RINO faction thought highly of TFG in 2008, he could have been that too. But I agree, he is a liberal.......................


Square that with the information that he is reading Dick Cheneys biography. I don't know how many liberals have read that.
Posted by: Molly k. at June 09, 2013 04:00 PM (WgeYS)


You don't think liberals read books by/about those they deem their enemies? Anything to see if they can catch them in a lie, prove that they were some warmonger, etc. I read both of the TFG's ghost written books and Bubba's book, just to see how they could spin their shit. All the better to know your enemy...but that's just my opinion.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at June 09, 2013 04:12 PM (wiJTg)

242 So he was smart enough to hack secrets but not smart enough to figure about in 2008 or before that Obama was a malignant narcissist who will do anything to advance his own agenda who doesn't give a darn about "real reforms" or protecting anyone but himself and his cronies.

I don't care how much he's paid or how much of a whiz kid he is. He's a traitor.

(Hi, NSA; I hope you're having a great day. So sad that you don't look for Muslim radicals who would as soon blow you up as look at you but instead have to snoop against any American who dares to critique the President and his policies but loves this country)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:12 PM (iwHSQ)

243 the device is, in actuality, an alien invention that was designed to
demoralize and desensitize the human race in preparation for invasion."

***

Birther!

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 09, 2013 04:12 PM (XUKZU)

244 /// Hey yoshi, the IRS scandal and this are very, very different. ///

I'll grant you that no one is suggesting the NSA used this data to political ends. But at this point I trust government employees about as far as I can throw them, and I've been pretty lazy about working out these past few months.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 04:12 PM (dh83Q)

245 Will this do instead?


http://bit.ly/102Wyrx
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 04:07 PM (Gk3SS)



Oh. My.


Here - http://tinyurl.com/4rejod

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:13 PM (GEICT)

246 Yes..., but that isn't the case here, nor was it with Manning. It isn't *just* a question of age..., it is also a question of history/background.

We might be happy that the guy leaked what he did, although it isn't over yet. At any rate, so far as access to highly classified information is concerned, he was unsuited. I'm disturbed about the choice of China.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 09, 2013 04:03 PM (aDwsi)


I will admit I'm biased because I'm the SO of a Naval Academy grad. But I can also say the clearance process needs to be tightened significantly.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:13 PM (08XhI)

247 Send the drones now!!! No, wait on second thought, get me NORAD. Where's that honky major with the football.

And you! Secret service jerk. Go get my ball out of the rough.

Posted by: The Democratic Party at June 09, 2013 04:13 PM (gWHwW)

248 I'm boring. Deal with it.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:09 PM (08XhI)




That can be fixed.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:14 PM (GEICT)

249 Get used to it and live your lives accordinglly.

That's what every Dem and GOP guy on every talk show said this morning with a few exceptions. To paraphrase: "We are your ruling class and you have no fucking idea how these things work so shut the fuck up and take it. God you citizens are stupid and troublesome"

Posted by: Daybrother at June 09, 2013 04:14 PM (PwwQH)

250 LOL: He took off for Hong Kong "because it has a spirit of free
speech...." Sure under the Brits but now under China? Free speech that
harms the U.S. I'm sure they are fine with, but I hope Snowden learns
the hard way how they treat any criticism of themselves.


I've spent a lot of time in HK on business. It's essentially a city-state, with its own government, currency and system of law. Even its immigration system is completely separate from China's. Ironically, its easier for an American to get into Hong Kong than it is for a Chinese national.

Hong Kong is also dynamic and committed to free market economics, more so than the U.S. is anymore, sad to say. Except for the extreme population density it's one of the few places that I could envision as a permanent home

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 09, 2013 04:14 PM (b0PfQ)

251 So you don't think Hong Kong was one of his best options? Are you privy to some secret squirrel shit the rest of us aren't?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 03:35 PM (dh83Q)


Now that you mention it...

Posted by: Morocco Mole at June 09, 2013 04:14 PM (Vk2pI)

252 *Waves dick in 360 degree arc hoping to catch the nearest "fusion center" in his highly insulting "junk ray"*

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 09, 2013 04:14 PM (oJVMp)

253 I'm boring. Deal with it.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:09 PM (08XhI)


That can be fixed.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:14 PM (GEICT)


I'm paler than you too.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:14 PM (08XhI)

254 Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 04:11 PM (MMC8r)


Do you think aliens are preparing an invasion of the world? I think if aliens exist they would be more likely to wait around until we do ourselves in and have have a device to demoralize us, but the book sounds interesting.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:15 PM (iwHSQ)

255 Posted by: Not an Artist at June 09, 2013 04:09 PM (uRumV)

Well, Congress authorized this beast. So (hold your laughter, please) a future, less statist Congress could starve it.

Yeah.

It's possible.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 04:15 PM (dh83Q)

256 If its legit, he's a very brave young man. Maybe not the savviest, but standing for his principles, despite the consequences.

Having said that, I'm not comfortable with whether he's legit or not. Something just doesn't smell right.

Posted by: AmericanBTGoG at June 09, 2013 04:15 PM (tQVAz)

257 Anything that causes a wrinkle in Obama's well creased pants is fine by me. Lets see where this all leads. Hard to predict right now.

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:15 PM (M/TDA)

258 "In an unjust society, the only place for a just man is prison."

I agree that sometimes you do what needs to be done and face the music. In this case, I think Snowden's playing it exactly right. We won't direct action him on Chinese soil, ... one of the few places in the world that is true. By going to Hong Kong, and then announcing himself, he's in a position where he *has* to be talked about. His culpability is clear, but so is his cause.

He probably will go to prison, and he seems to know that. Unlike Manning, he isn't trying to hide from the consequences, just delay them long enough to sound his particular alarm. It may be illegal, but it's noble as hell.

If you listen hard enough, you can hear the Ghost of Pre-2008 Obama, calling this man a hero. So can the left. This is exactly the terms we want this debate on. With Obama standing on the rhetorical bones of his own mystique.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillian-billionaire-layabout at June 09, 2013 04:16 PM (27tUc)

259 That's why I said "relatively". Of course it
happened because of the Patriot Act. What I'm saying is that even if
some of all of this infrastructure or processes are 'deemed' illegal,
then POTUS only has to sign an executive order and it's back in place.
It's not going away.


Posted by: Not an Artist at June 09, 2013 04:09 PM (uRumV)



Contrary to current acts, the President cannot just EO away Constitutional rights. Noting that it appears to be otherwise currently is noting that we are living at the very edge of tyranny.


And what is your intent by using the quotes around deemed? The Fourth Amendment is really really really clear about this. Contra all the apologists, the US government can't just gather up all my personal information because hey that'll make it much easier to investigate and/or prosecute. Sorry, can't do that.


I am deeply disturbed that those who find this no big deal and/or acceptable seem to be forgetting that the entire point of Constitutional rights is to make it harder for the government to do whatever it wants. Yes, you're right, having to get evidence to get a warrant sucks and is annoying and difficult. That's the entire fucking point.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 04:16 PM (Gk3SS)

260 244 /// Hey yoshi, the IRS scandal and this are very, very different. ///

Not really.

A department of the Federal Govt was used to target American citizens, and another department of the Federal govt was used to target American citizens.

Not different at all.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 04:16 PM (gWHwW)

261 Peter King(R Gun Grabber-NY) and Lindsey Graham (Homo-SC) just put out a hit on this guy,

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 09, 2013 04:16 PM (Cs2tJ)

262 "It's racism, straight up."

(Please don't hit me again....sniffle.)

Posted by: Janeane Garofalo at June 09, 2013 04:17 PM (gWHwW)

263 He's a traitor.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:12 PM (iwHSQ)

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

The guy is claiming to expose a system which used domestically breaks the law. Barring legitimate means to correct the situation, I do not see how he is a traitor at this point. What are the legal alternatives to report secret programs that break the law or violate the Constitution?

Posted by: Charles Gibson at June 09, 2013 04:17 PM (ggXyh)

264 /sock

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at June 09, 2013 04:17 PM (ggXyh)

265 The academies all graduate a certain number of officers into the intel field. Speakinv now for West Point, they don't go as young LTs into places like the NSA. They generally go into the S-2 (intel) sections of battalions, or into the MI battalion if a division. I worked in the NSA, but by then I was a field grade officer.

However, intel networks being what they are it would these young folks could get around if they so wished. Against that is the idea that they are academy graduates and so have had to put a great deal of time, effort and thought into getting where they are. IOW, although they share age with Manning and Snowden, they are in some ways more mature.

Posted by: Juan de Hattatime at June 09, 2013 04:17 PM (plNej)

266 /// I am deeply disturbed that those who find this no big deal and/or acceptable seem to be forgetting that the entire point of Constitutional rights is to make it harder for the government to do whatever it wants. ///

This 110%. If you don't want to raise all hell over this then why are you even a voting member of the public?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 04:18 PM (dh83Q)

267 I bet John Roberts made his decision because he was afraid for the lives of his family.

Or his good name.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 04:18 PM (gWHwW)

268 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 04:16 PM (Gk3SS)


Here, this is from a guy I played ball with in college:

I'm just going to say it...the government is monitoring all my calls and texts? I don't care. I really don't. And don't feel like you need to reply and try to "school" me on how I should think and how the moral fabric of this country is in jeopardy. Just keep distracting me with Taylor Swift, tacos made with Doritos, and The Bachelor, and I'll fall in line just like every good American should.

Besides, the only people that are nervous about this are the ones that just sent "dick pics" to their wives or girlfriends. Sure they'll mask it like they're defending the constitution or fighting tyranny. But we all know they just sent a dick pic. You got busted, bitch.


He's only half kidding.

The comments are...horrifying. My fav "I'm more concerned with the NRA than the NSA."

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:19 PM (GEICT)

269 It's funny how there was a 60 minutes report on the Democrat DATA mining system a few weeks ago. They mentioned how they used a database of all "likely to lean Left" voters and targeted them directly. The sort of info you would get from the consultants they used from Google and well, I guess "former" NSA people.
I'm going to turn on the TV now cause I'm sure they will connect those dots on tonights propaganda in depth investigation.

Posted by: Daybrother at June 09, 2013 04:19 PM (PwwQH)

270 237
Hong Kong is controlled by Red China?!!! When the fuck did that happen?

Posted by: Edward Snowden at June 09, 2013 04:11 PM (gWHwW)

1997....you were 13.

Posted by: Tami at June 09, 2013 04:19 PM (X6akg)

271 Now does this guy have any info on Benghazi he might be willing to share?

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:20 PM (M/TDA)

272 Do you think aliens are preparing an invasion of the world? I think if aliens exist they would be more likely to wait around until we do ourselves in and have have a device to demoralize us, but the book sounds interesting.

That was actually the culmination of the episode. They dropped this miracle spy technology into our hands and knew that we'd destroy ourselves with it, because we wouldn't be able to keep our own secrets or resist stealing everyone else's.

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 04:20 PM (MMC8r)

273 I bet with his security clearance and past work, Mr. Snowden probably had a contractual requirement to report his intent to travel to the PRC. Did he? Most likely, not. He left May 20, sooo ...

Posted by: mrp at June 09, 2013 04:20 PM (HjPtV)

274
If you listen hard enough, you can hear the Ghost of Pre-2008 Obama, calling this man a hero. So can the left. This is exactly the terms we want this debate on. With Obama standing on the rhetorical bones of his own mystique.

This is damaging to the Dim/Progs. They'll try to pin this on Boooooossshh, but that won't be so easy as TFG has had 5, count 'em, FIVE YEARS in orifice.

Suddenly my Give-a-Shitometer works.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 04:21 PM (0HooB)

275 267
I bet John Roberts made his decision because he was afraid for the lives of his family.



Or his good name.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 04:18 PM (gWHwW)

I think so too.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 04:21 PM (AWmfW)

276 267
I've thought that all along.

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:21 PM (M/TDA)

277 There is a reason why Samantha Powers called Hillary a monster. I wonder what she knows.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 04:21 PM (gWHwW)

278 "I'm more concerned with the NRA than the NSA."

***

I've given up my search for freedom and am looking for a comfortable prison.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 09, 2013 04:21 PM (XUKZU)

279 Is this a thing? Because it definitely feels like a thing.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 09, 2013 04:21 PM (V1ZIU)

280 I bet John Roberts made his decision because he was afraid for the lives of his family.



Or his good name.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 04:18 PM (gWHwW)



Someone here mentioned that he has foreign adopted children and the speculation is that the threats were to try to take away the kids.


I try very hard not to consider that we are publicly (hi NSA!) speculating on what was used to blackmail a Supreme Court justice and that such speculation is not entirely insane.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 04:21 PM (Gk3SS)

281 275
If so, will he ever speak up?

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:22 PM (M/TDA)

282 Didn't one of the Facebook guy go to Hong Kong after Facebook went public?

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 09, 2013 04:22 PM (b9K4P)

283 The world is going to be so much better once Prism combines with widely-used google glasses. Won't that be better? Is better the right word for this new understanding of government and citizenry?

Posted by: .87c at June 09, 2013 04:22 PM (ZJqOD)

284 I think he's a patriot.

Conservatives need to get off the "super hawk" McCain bullshit side of the aisle.

More Americans have died in bathroom accidents then they have from terrorism since 9/11.

It's an excuse for Big Government to control and watch us.

Posted by: Jeepers at June 09, 2013 04:22 PM (XDRsa)

285 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:19 PM (GEICT)

The fact that your friend is only half kidding is disturbing, and says what we're up against.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:23 PM (iwHSQ)

286 282 Didn't one of the Facebook guy go to Hong Kong after Facebook went public?
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 09, 2013 04:22 PM (b9K4P)

Singapore.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at June 09, 2013 04:23 PM (ggXyh)

287 101
WTF? Why is stuff this sensitive entrusted to kids? If he was engaged with this prior to 2008, then he would have been 24.

I was operating state-of-the-art Sigint gear in W.Berlin when I was 19... working for the NSA / USASA. Same can be said, I'm sure, today for people doing the sort of same work.

Posted by: goy at June 09, 2013 04:23 PM (QsFws)

288 282
Singapore

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:23 PM (M/TDA)

289 My fav "I'm more concerned with the NRA than the NSA."

Maybe he should imagine the NRA having control of the NSA. Maybe that would get his attention. That statement came from one of Ellen Degeneres' producers I believe.

Posted by: no good deed at June 09, 2013 04:23 PM (mjR67)

290
Oh, in case I didn't explain it clearly, my "meh" on this is not - at all - to imply that it is not horrific, and unacceptable. It is all those things. I'm not "OK" with it, at all.

And to Yoshi and Jack, I take your point and agree. While different, this and the IRS outrages are both esp. infamous because of the misuse of govt. power against US citizens, at home, living their lives. So I stand corrected on that.

It's just a personal note that I have been astonished, horrified, infuriated, and alienated - time 100 - by several other things going back years. This is actually no more horrifying, in all its ramifications, then several things that have transpired in just the last year.

My legitimate outrage isn't all used up, but that little gas-pump shaped light thinggy on the gas gauge has switched on, that's all. Running on fumes, as far as civil life in the US goes. And when you contrast that with a person who schemed and finagled to get to the hottest war zone he could a few years back, and took a second helping after his first tour was up, you can get an idea of the journey of alienation that has been covered, at warp speed.

Posted by: non-purist at June 09, 2013 04:23 PM (afQnV)

291 And the Obama agenda is served by weakening the US

Posted by: Iblis at June 09, 2013 04:23 PM (Yd7xL)

292 The world is going to be so much better once Prism combines with
widely-used google glasses. Won't that be better? Is better the right
word for this new understanding of government and citizenry?

***

Maybe not better but definitely more efficient.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 09, 2013 04:23 PM (XUKZU)

293 285 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:19 PM (GEICT)

The fact that your friend is only half kidding is disturbing, and says what we're up against.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:23 PM (iwHSQ)

There is no dicpic exemption for the 4th Amendment.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at June 09, 2013 04:24 PM (ggXyh)

294 Here, this is from a guy I played ball with in college:



Apropos of anything but what you posted, can I borrow a baseball bat?


No reason why. Just need to practice my swing.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 04:24 PM (Gk3SS)

295
"Also, as a side note, since more and more key military and intelligence positions are filled with political hacks who tow the regime line, no one else except a brain-dead lib would have come forward to spill the beans since that's all there are."

Nail + hammer....aaaaand KA BAM! The US is up to its neck in Chinese held bonds; they own us and Zero is crushing his idolators.You're probably more correct than you can possibly imagine.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 09, 2013 04:24 PM (GufPw)

296
We are talking aHUGE mole, I can say that! HUGE Mole. And that could mean big problems for sure.





Snowden has a huge mole on the left side of his neck. Could be melanoma.

Posted by: Bob Dole mentions Bob Dole at June 09, 2013 04:24 PM (m0le6)

297 Try exposing chinese secrets and see what happens to you, pal.

Posted by: Waldo at June 09, 2013 04:25 PM (araOs)

298 167 Why the fuck aren't some people on here utterly apopleptic that their teenage daughters texts are stored on a server under a mountain somewhere?

What the fuck is wrong with you normally level-headed people?



Yeah. This is not the Moron Horde I thought I knew... ;-)

Posted by: goy at June 09, 2013 04:25 PM (QsFws)

299 Apropos of anything but what you posted, can I borrow a baseball bat?


No reason why. Just need to practice my swing.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 04:24 PM (Gk3SS)



Sheesh, Bannion is lacking.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:25 PM (08XhI)

300 Some here apparently really care if he broke a law or not.

How about, he broke a law to expose rampant law-breaking within our govt.

He didn't endanger anyone's life, how is this not a heroic action?

p.s. Fuck the feds.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 09, 2013 04:25 PM (X4HxX)

301 Apropos of anything but what you posted, can I borrow a baseball bat?


No reason why. Just need to practice my swing.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 04:24 PM (Gk3SS)



Sadly, for you, I pitched. (STFU Horde) So no bats. However, can I interest you in an excellent 7 iron?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:25 PM (GEICT)

302 This is lamp post territory.

*moons Google satellite passing overhead*

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 09, 2013 04:25 PM (oJVMp)

303 BTW he went to HONG KONG not mainland China.

They are still radically different places.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 09, 2013 04:26 PM (X4HxX)

304 Posted by: Bob Dole mentions Bob Dole at June 09, 2013 04:24 PM (m0le6)

MOOOOLEEE! MOLEY-MOLEY-MOLEY-MOOOOOOOOOLE!!

Posted by: Austin Powers at June 09, 2013 04:26 PM (dh83Q)

305 The world is going to be so much better once Prism combines with

widely-used google glasses. Won't that be better? Is better the right

word for this new understanding of government and citizenry?



I cannot tell you how perfectly hilarious I found it that Google banned the use of Google Glasses, not to mention all other type of smart devices, from a recent meeting.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 04:27 PM (Gk3SS)

306 People, people, people! You know where this will end? They will know in real time when we are on the HQ instead of doing actual work.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 09, 2013 04:27 PM (XUKZU)

307

>>>Sadly, for you, I pitched.


We need a man like you on our team. Call me.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at June 09, 2013 04:27 PM (pKpUJ)

308 Sadly, for you, I pitched. (STFU Horde) So no bats. However, can I interest you in an excellent 7 iron?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:25 PM (GEICT)


You played baseball in college and you don't have a bat to loan to AtC?????????????????

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:27 PM (08XhI)

309 280
Depressing to say the least. What's more depressing is that, like you, my mind does not outright reject that theory anymore.

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:27 PM (M/TDA)

310 So what happens next? Anyone got any ideas of what's going to happen this week due to this revelation?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 09, 2013 04:27 PM (V1ZIU)

311
The world is going to be so much better once Prism combines with
widely-used google glasses. Won't that be better? Is better the right
word for this new understanding of government and citizenry?


I don't even see the code anymore. All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead...

Hey, want a drink?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 04:27 PM (0HooB)

312 Here's the thing, not only are we going to use your dues to support Democratic causes, we also expect a generous check from you personally. Or we'll be publishing those photos you send your boyfriend.

Yes, we have Maxine Waters to thank for our access to our special database.


Posted by: Democratic Supporting Unions at June 09, 2013 04:27 PM (gWHwW)

313 Dumping Edward Snowden data to friendly press... now!


Posted by: PRISM at June 09, 2013 04:27 PM (jGsIV)

314 We will Barry you!

Posted by: Nikita Khrushchev at June 09, 2013 04:28 PM (AWmfW)

315 310
Next week should be a doozy. There has to be more coming.

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:28 PM (M/TDA)

316 You played baseball in college and you don't have a bat to loan to AtC?????????????????

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:27 PM (08XhI)


Reread what you posted of my comment.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:28 PM (GEICT)

317 *****checks the old handbook****

He's Jewish, FYNQ

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 09, 2013 04:28 PM (8sFfo)

318 Posted by: Nikita Khrushchev at June 09, 2013 04:28 PM (AWmfW)

LOOOL

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 04:28 PM (dh83Q)

319 His income is awesome. Thus proving once again that even brain dead liberals who regarded Obama has the secular messiah can make big bucks in spite of their stupidity and naivete.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:29 PM (iwHSQ)

320 Reread what you posted of my comment.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:28 PM (GEICT)


I did. It's no excuse. This is the Empress we're talking about.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:29 PM (08XhI)

321 I cannot tell you how perfectly hilarious I found it that Google banned
the use of Google Glasses, not to mention all other type of smart
devices, from a recent meeting.

Transparency for thee, but not for me. Seems exactly the right type of behavior from Google.

Posted by: no good deed at June 09, 2013 04:29 PM (mjR67)

322 Somebody ask Lindsay Graham how we're supposed to know that he isn't taking this position because PRISM dug up some dirt on him.

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 04:29 PM (MMC8r)

323 310
So what happens next? Anyone got any ideas of what's going to happen this week due to this revelation?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 09, 2013 04:27 PM (V1ZIU)

John Boehner will weep.

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 09, 2013 04:29 PM (Cs2tJ)

324 Some here apparently really care if he broke a law or not.



How about, he broke a law to expose rampant law-breaking within our govt.



He didn't endanger anyone's life, how is this not a heroic action?

***

The dust is going to have to settle before we can truly know what is going on including who the good duys and the bad guys are. Unfortunately, we are going to have to make some decisions before the dust settles.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 09, 2013 04:29 PM (XUKZU)

325 This is what happens when the government agencies charged with our security recruit and leftist institutions of higher learning. Just because a person has a degree from Harvard, Yale, Cal - Berkley, or even UT - Austin does not mean they believe what we do. Odds are they don't having been indoctrinated by leftist, elitist fellow travelers.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at June 09, 2013 04:30 PM (Eq2MX)

326 They already know I spent about 9 hours working today. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:30 PM (iwHSQ)

327 Sadly, for you, I pitched. (STFU Horde) So no bats. However, can I interest you in an excellent 7 iron?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:25 PM (GEICT)



I have a lovely set of golf clubs. It's just that if I swing at anyone with those, there's a nigh to perfect certainty that I won't hit the person at whom I am swinging.


The person three persons over to the left is utterly fucked though.


I see SMOD is taunting again - http://reut.rs/18VGqsh



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 04:30 PM (Gk3SS)

328 I did. It's no excuse. This is the Empress we're talking about.
Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:29 PM (08XhI)



Exactly what use would I have had for a bat? Especially since, at the time, they were $200+

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:30 PM (GEICT)

329 /// It's just a personal note that I have been astonished, horrified, infuriated, and alienated - time 100 - by several other things going back years. This is actually no more horrifying, in all its ramifications, then several things that have transpired in just the last year. ///

Well, I can't say I fully agree with you, but I have a good idea of where you're coming from.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 04:30 PM (dh83Q)

330 I hear Google's new slogan is going to be "Don't be evil, we can't afford the competition."

Posted by: no good deed at June 09, 2013 04:30 PM (mjR67)

331 122
I suspect the golf outing today has been ruined

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 03:48 PM (M/TDA)****************
Why? Valerie will inform him after he is off the course.

Posted by: gracepmc at June 09, 2013 04:30 PM (rznx3)

332 IT sounds like your friend thought Anthony Weiner is a Republican.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 04:30 PM (gWHwW)

333 Snowden finked, Obama stinked!

Posted by: Purp at June 09, 2013 04:30 PM (Dc/7h)

334 303, not to high level PLA intel types. If he wants to stay he better have some good shit to sell.

Posted by: Jean at June 09, 2013 04:31 PM (CMlD4)

335 The dust is going to have to settle before we can truly know what is going on including who the good duys and the bad guys are. Unfortunately, we are going to have to make some decisions before the dust settles.
Posted by: WalrusRex at June 09, 2013 04:29 PM (XUKZU)

Of course. If he's lying, then I retract all of what I said.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 09, 2013 04:31 PM (X4HxX)

336
This guy is a DISILLUSIONED liberal.

Fine.

AREN'T THEY THE BEST KIND???

Posted by: goy at June 09, 2013 04:31 PM (QsFws)

337 363
Speaking of Boehner, wonder what PRISM has on him?

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:31 PM (M/TDA)

338 You should be thanking me. I found the NSA leaker.

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 09, 2013 04:31 PM (gWHwW)

339 You know...when I was stationed overseas throughout the 1990s, I remember EVERY damn thing that was "leaked/given" to the Chinese via the Clinton administration. Not one peep from the media.


I use to work with GCHQ members and we would always joke about what and/or who we could target. One time we were covering a foreign leader who was traveling to the United States. Once he entered U.S. airspace, that was it. NSA started calling us and screaming about stopping coverage, not noticing we had three hours earlier. Good times, good times...


Now, the intelligence field has turned into something it was never intended to be...and a lot of innocent people are going to get hurt. And with the creation of the Patriot Act, even if there were good intentions, it has opened the door to government abusing it and using it to control people. WTF?

Posted by: I Be That Chick at June 09, 2013 04:31 PM (wiJTg)

340 I definitely think John Roberts was blackmailed by this thuggish regime.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:31 PM (iwHSQ)

341 Afternoon, all. I see we're still living in "interesting" times, aka Age of Obama.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 04:32 PM (lVPtV)

342 I am Edward Snowden.

Posted by: Phil Donauhe at June 09, 2013 04:32 PM (fnPRp)

343 >>He's going public so he doesn't get disappeared.

And that never happens in China...

Why on earth wouldn't they grab him?

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 09, 2013 04:32 PM (SUKHu)

344 Remember that Mother Jones is reporting that TFG is fighting a court order telling the administration to stop the domestic surveillance.

Posted by: t-dubya-d at June 09, 2013 04:32 PM (u6lBN)

345 327. Then just swing across your body

You'll give the guy some really messed up knees


*****runs away******

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 09, 2013 04:32 PM (8sFfo)

346 340
I definitely think John Roberts was blackmailed by this thuggish regime.




Same here.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 04:33 PM (lVPtV)

347 Why? Valerie will inform him after he is off the course
gracepmc at June 09, 2013 04:30 PM (rznx3)
------
Why? She calls the shots.

Posted by: Cate in IN at June 09, 2013 04:33 PM (1JJGO)

348 Hey, we all learned to live with ghosts watching us fap, we'll get over this too. It's not going to affect what I type in any way at all (I already figured it was happening).

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 04:33 PM (8lmkt)

349 After only a mere 48 hours of directing the FBI to find the Edward Snowden, I am proud to say that I found him.

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 09, 2013 04:33 PM (gWHwW)

350 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 04:30 PM (Gk3SS)


Golf?

Obligatory - http://tinyurl.com/ll336mk

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:33 PM (GEICT)

351 Speaking of Boehner, wonder what PRISM has on him?

I'm not supposed to tell, but I can give you a hint.


Llamas.

Posted by: PRISM at June 09, 2013 04:33 PM (jGsIV)

352 Just saying, but this *is* what Let It Burn looks like.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 09, 2013 04:33 PM (SX6wc)

353 Why? Valerie will inform him after he is off the course.

Too busy...need coordinates. He can read about it in the paper.

Posted by: ValJar at June 09, 2013 04:33 PM (FcR7P)

354 not to high level PLA intel types. If he wants to stay he better have some good shit to sell.

"Xi, I got this problem in Hong Kong, could you maybe make it disappear for me? I'll owe you bigtime -- TIA, B.O."

Posted by: Purp at June 09, 2013 04:34 PM (Dc/7h)

355 I think anyone who tries to weaken the US is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. He might have had good intentions, but he should have taken it to the proper authoriites.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:34 PM (iwHSQ)

356 284
I think he's a patriot.

Conservatives need to get off the "super hawk" McCain bullshit side of the aisle.

More Americans have died in bathroom accidents then they have from terrorism since 9/11.

It's an excuse for Big Government to control and watch us.


Posted by: Jeepers at June 09, 2013 04:22 PM (XDRsa)

That's why we monitor bathrooms too.

Posted by: NSA at June 09, 2013 04:34 PM (AWmfW)

357 Exactly what use would I have had for a bat? Especially since, at the time, they were $200+

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:30 PM (GEICT)


There are multiple uses. You wouldn't use a quality bat in the Empress' interest?

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:35 PM (08XhI)

358 Those who forgo liberty for security,are ffucking dumbassesand I'm sick of being saddled with their dead weight.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 09, 2013 04:35 PM (oJVMp)

359 He might have had good intentions, but he should have taken it to the proper authoriites.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:34 PM (iwHSQ)

I suggest Lindsey Graham. He has a conservative haircut.

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 09, 2013 04:35 PM (Cs2tJ)

360 I saw this picture on Fox today


http://tinyurl.com/m3gghou


and my head nearly rocketed off my shoulders.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 04:35 PM (lVPtV)

361 #338 No doubt Obama will take credit for it

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:35 PM (iwHSQ)

362 I'm more shocked by his ignorance. It's the CIA, what did he expect. It's like a conservative taking a job at the dept. of energy and being shocked at the amount of progress hating enviroweenies who work there.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at June 09, 2013 04:35 PM (b9K4P)

363 355. That would be Eric Holder

Now I see why he ran

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 09, 2013 04:35 PM (8sFfo)

364 After watching the interview, my impression is that Snowden is the idealist that Obama pretends to be.

Posted by: Phinn at June 09, 2013 04:36 PM (oFH2D)

365 Exactly what use would I have had for a bat? Especially since, at the time, they were $200+

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:30 PM (GEICT)



Not to mention *spits* aluminum *spits*.


If that link is what I think it is, I'm going to kick you so hard.


You know what, I'm going to kick you so hard anyway. Bannion! Step ladder!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 04:36 PM (Gk3SS)

366 There are multiple uses. You wouldn't use a quality bat in the Empress' interest?

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:35 PM (08XhI)



Remember, we're talking 10+ years ago.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:36 PM (GEICT)

367 At first, I was all like, China will never give him back, but then I heard that Obama gave Xi some sweet lawn chairs, so that boy is doomed. And if you don't think so, all I can say is IRS please.

Posted by: Darth Randall at June 09, 2013 04:36 PM (mV8sg)

368 Barring legitimate means to correct the situation, I do not see how he is a traitor at this point.

Because he had a security clearance, he doesn't live by the same rules as if an ordinary civilian had stumbled upon this information.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 09, 2013 04:36 PM (xSegX)

369 27 "Secondly, the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there would be real reforms, rendering disclosures unnecessary."______________LIVs....even at the CIA
Why do you think Rumsfeld wanted to bypass the CIA

Posted by: perdogg at June 09, 2013 04:36 PM (ziD3M)

370 If that link is what I think it is, I'm going to kick you so hard.


You know what, I'm going to kick you so hard anyway. Bannion! Step ladder!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 04:36 PM (Gk3SS)



I give you Natalie Gulbis and body paint and I get kicked?!?!?!

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:37 PM (GEICT)

371
Now, the intelligence field has turned into something it was never intended to be...and a lot of innocent people are going to get hurt. And with the creation of the Patriot Act, even if there were good intentions, it has opened the door to government abusing it and using it to control people. WTF?

Don't forget that this was used to actively suppress the Tea Party and thus, sway an election. Quite a few people have pointed out that the NSA info could've easily been used to target voters, either to dissuade them from voting or GOTV.

I'd really like to see all this as the death knell of Progressivism and the Dimocrat Party (BIRM). Confidence is high.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 04:37 PM (0HooB)

372 /// 355 I think anyone who tries to weaken the US is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. He might have had good intentions, but he should have taken it to the proper authoriites. ///

Dude, come on. The CinC is the uber enabler of this behavior and how is a fucking Luap Nor acolyte supposed to tell the difference between a RINO and a Twuu Conservative when the Horde itself is split 50/50 most days?

Seriously!!

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 04:37 PM (dh83Q)

373 354
"That may have been possible if only you hadn't given me that shitty park bench. I got a dozen splinters in my ass the first time I sat down."

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:37 PM (M/TDA)

374 I am proud to say that I found him.

Tragically he had bound and gagged himself in the trunk of a rental car at Miami airport prior to shooting himself in the head 5 times. His prints did match those on the gun found in the trunk of the car, so we know it was a suicide.

Posted by: Purp at June 09, 2013 04:37 PM (Dc/7h)

375 Lindsay Graham ....taking this position because PRISM dug up some dirt on him.

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 04:29 PM

****

"some dirt"....
More like what a giant steam shovel moves in a work month.

Posted by: Beto at June 09, 2013 04:38 PM (MhA4j)

376 I saw this picture on Fox today
http://tinyurl.com/m3gghou
and my head nearly rocketed off my shoulders.


This is different than the last five years?

Posted by: t-bird at June 09, 2013 04:38 PM (FcR7P)

377 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:36 PM (GEICT)


*Hands AtC an emergency stepladder because who knows were Bannion is right now*


Furthermore, I don't care if was 10 years ago.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:38 PM (08XhI)

378 374. Admiral Boorda doesn't like your joke

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 09, 2013 04:39 PM (8sFfo)

379 >>>should've taken it to the proper authorities

Wow. It really is salty like they say.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 09, 2013 04:39 PM (oJVMp)

380 Snowden is the idealist that Obama pretends to be

The most dangerous foe is one who can't be bought or intimidated...

...those types need to be killed, cuz they'll never stop.

Posted by: Purp at June 09, 2013 04:40 PM (Dc/7h)

381 Because he had a security clearance, he doesn't live by the same rules as if an ordinary civilian had stumbled upon this information.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 09, 2013 04:36 PM (xSegX)

What rules? Bullshit ones?

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 09, 2013 04:40 PM (X4HxX)

382 Furthermore, I don't care if was 10 years ago.
Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:38 PM (08XhI)



So, basically, I'm being berated for not having something 10 years later that I had no use for at the time. And was expensive. That about cover it?


Are we married?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:40 PM (GEICT)

383 368 Barring legitimate means to correct the situation, I do not see how he is a traitor at this point.

Because he had a security clearance, he doesn't live by the same rules as if an ordinary civilian had stumbled upon this information.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 09, 2013 04:36 PM (xSegX)

Still do not see how that gets him the traitor label for exposing an illegal program. Felon? Maybe. Traitor? That's a leap.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at June 09, 2013 04:41 PM (ggXyh)

384 I definitely think John Roberts was blackmailed by this thuggish regime.

Even the other 4 justices thought his ruling was mind-boggling. It was an illogical mess and he seemed to be on board with the anti-Obamacare decision down to the last minute.

If that were ever revealed to be the truth, the Republic would be gone. As it is now, the Judiciary is suffering a lot of damage from this.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 09, 2013 04:42 PM (xSegX)

385 So, basically, I'm being berated for not having something 10 years later that I had no use for at the time. And was expensive. That about cover it?


Are we married?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:40 PM (GEICT)


I'm older than you. If I had a lawn, I'd tell you to get off of it. Politely, because that's the Canadian in me.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:42 PM (08XhI)

386
Are we married?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:40 PM (GEICT)

I bet you don't even remember what she was wearing when you had that bat!

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at June 09, 2013 04:42 PM (ggXyh)

387 "That's why we monitor bathrooms too."

We're working on a grant program to stimulate investment in research to develop soft, non-slip tiles.

Posted by: DOE Labs at June 09, 2013 04:42 PM (CMlD4)

388 This is what happens when the government agencies charged with our security recruit and leftist institutions of higher learning. Just because a person has a degree from Harvard, Yale, Cal - Berkley, or even UT - Austin does not mean they believe what we do. Odds are they don't having been indoctrinated by leftist, elitist fellow travelers.
Posted by: georgeofthedesert at June 09, 2013 04:30 PM (Eq2MX)


A thousand times this!!!!


I saw it first hand when I went back to school. I graduated from UCLA in 2008 (as a 36 year old) and all the Poli Sci students were chomping at the bit to get into the government, especially the CIA, NSA and the State department. I knew then we were in serious trouble. The liberal/communist professors preach the bullshit and they eat it up. And knowing what I knew from my time in both the military and intelligence field...*shaking my head*.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at June 09, 2013 04:42 PM (wiJTg)

389 "Wow. It really is salty like they say."

What does that even mean in the context of this discussion instead of appearing to be some reference to sucking semen?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:43 PM (iwHSQ)

390 382. Dude, do you need to borrow a SPIDERCLOWN!!!! or two?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 09, 2013 04:43 PM (8sFfo)

391 383 Still do not see how that gets him the traitor label for exposing an illegal program. Felon? Maybe. Traitor? That's a leap.

Exactly.

Did he sell secrets that put Americans at risk? If so, that has not yet been revealed.

What has been revealed is the extent to which Americans' own government is putting THEM at risk by placing into the hands of tyrants the means to put ANYONE away in a world where Everything Is A Crime.

Posted by: goy at June 09, 2013 04:43 PM (QsFws)

392 This is a fine kettle of fish... Now what? Where does this go?

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at June 09, 2013 04:43 PM (9+ccr)

393 Navycopjoe, how about those Blackhawks?

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:44 PM (08XhI)

394
Hey, we all learned to live with ghosts watching us fap, we'll get over this too. It's not going to affect what I type in any way at all (I already figured it was happening).

I had suspected as much, but this confirms it.

I also believe this revelation will embolden an awful lot of people. I even posted something over at my little slice of Intarwebz heaven today.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 04:44 PM (0HooB)

395 And the Obama yutes say what?

Posted by: gracepmc at June 09, 2013 04:44 PM (rznx3)

396 Quote at Drudge " I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things." Also said he doesn't expect to ever see home again

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 04:44 PM (M/TDA)

397 355 I think anyone who tries to weaken the US is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. He might have had good intentions, but he should have taken it to the proper authoriites.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:34 PM (iwHSQ)

10,20,30 years ago, I'd be right there with you. These days, I'm not even sure what this sentiment means anymore.

Exposing classified information is a specific crime.

Exposing an all encompassing surveillance state partnership between the nation's government and largest information-service corporations ... that speaks to our basic social compact as a free society.

What is America, when its also East Germany? Who are the proper authorities to complain to about misbehavior from the proper authorities? Your appeal is a well-intentioned anachronism, but what does it really mean in 2013?

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillian-billionaire-layabout at June 09, 2013 04:45 PM (27tUc)

398 this guy is an American hero!

Posted by: matthew at June 09, 2013 04:46 PM (Pe4Pk)

399 395
And the Obama yutes say what?




"Booooooosh!!11111!!!!!" of course.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 04:46 PM (lVPtV)

400 I don't see who his actions will do a damn bit of good to help the US. In fact, I think it will cause the Obama admin to double down.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:47 PM (iwHSQ)

401
Some of you don't get it....
It is the Americans who are the enemy.
This is about identifying the mindless savages who give you political power and punishing the dissenters and anyone who tries to help them.

Posted by: Beto at June 09, 2013 04:48 PM (MhA4j)

402
he isa traitor if he shares intel with the Chi Coms or other adversaries

he is a Patriot if he exposed the program to protect civil liberties in the US

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 04:48 PM (nH8jP)

403 I give you Natalie Gulbis and body paint and I get kicked?!?!?!

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:37 PM (GEICT)



Oh.


I presumed it was Dorf.


I apologize.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at June 09, 2013 04:48 PM (Gk3SS)

404 Politely, because that's the Canadian in me.
Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:42 PM (08XhI)


Canadian, eh?


Care for a sticky flapjack?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:49 PM (GEICT)

405 Wow!

This fella had better hope the Chinese president looks upon his shitty gift with as critical an eye as we have.

Posted by: Jaime Zapata at June 09, 2013 04:49 PM (DPdf7)

406 Is it a horrible thing that when I watch sporting events and see TB (short for Tampa Bay) I think tuberculosis?

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:50 PM (08XhI)

407 6

This is the hill to die on.

Rand Paul says he's going to challenge this in the SCOTUS. Click my nic, top post for link.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 03:22 PM (0HooB)

From your link there is a rally to audit the IRS...F that, audit the ENTIRE Gov't. I bet the number of hasty retirements would be epic

Posted by: Red Shirt at June 09, 2013 04:50 PM (FIDMq)

408 So, is NSA the new "n word," since part of this was a result of Snowden falling out of love with TFG? I'm just trying to keep my scoresheet up to date.

OT, slightly, I loved the Twitchy thread about Senator Obama being pissed when he found out what the President did.

Posted by: jakeman at June 09, 2013 04:51 PM (96M6e)

409
I don't see who his actions will do a damn bit of good to help the US. In fact, I think it will cause the Obama admin to double down.

Perhaps not. Rand Paul plans to sue the NSA with a class action suit and said he'll take it to SCOTUS. All he has to do is quote the 4th Amendment.

Either the Constitution is the law of the land, or it isn't. Right now, it isn't.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 04:51 PM (0HooB)

410 Also said he doesn't expect to ever see home again

***

God thing because he might well get his wish.

Posted by: Jaime Zapata at June 09, 2013 04:51 PM (DPdf7)

411 At this point we don't know whether he's giving info to the Chi Coms or not.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:51 PM (iwHSQ)

412 off sock

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 04:51 PM (DPdf7)

413 397 355 I think anyone who tries to weaken the US is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. He might have had good intentions, but he should have taken it to the proper authoriites.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:34 PM (iwHSQ)

That's an overbroad definition you are using, in my opinion. That means that whatever the US does, legal or illegal, in the name of defense will be allowed because opposing it is treasonous. And how does saying that the US gov't is committing massive violations of the 4th Amendment against practically all its citizens weaken the US? Doesn't protecting the 4th amendment strengthen the US? When he got hired by the CIA, didn't he take an oath to defend the US Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic?

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at June 09, 2013 04:51 PM (ggXyh)

414 Lets be chrystal clear here. The crimes at issue are not legal ones. answerable in the courts. They are political ones answerable by the people. It's getting to be time ...

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at June 09, 2013 04:51 PM (Fvpi+)

415 Canadian, eh?

Care for a sticky flapjack?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:49 PM (GEICT)


Honey, I can make my own.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:52 PM (08XhI)

416 Strange fellows in the bed.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at June 09, 2013 04:53 PM (fnPRp)

417 402

he isa traitor if he shares intel with the Chi Coms or other adversaries

he is a Patriot if he exposed the program to protect civil liberties in the US



Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 04:48 PM (nH8jP)

The people selling it to Chi Coms or Putin-land you'll never hear about.
Either NSA never finds out , or it's too embarrassing.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 04:53 PM (AWmfW)

418 He might have had good intentions, but he should have taken it to the proper authorities.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke


Proper authorities?

Like the ones in charge of the NSA? Those authorities?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 09, 2013 04:53 PM (SX6wc)

419 415 Canadian, eh?

Care for a sticky flapjack?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:49 PM (GEICT)

-------------------

Honey, I can make my own.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:52 PM (08XhI)



Huh. Medical marvel.


*snicker*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:53 PM (GEICT)

420 "Only Snowden Could Go to China"

Posted by: kbdabear at June 09, 2013 04:54 PM (mCvL4)

421 For the safety of the country, it is necessary that we spy on all Americans.

Posted by: The NSA at June 09, 2013 04:54 PM (gWHwW)

422 So ...I should cut back on the online riffs about strangling hobos, kidnapping baby sitters and Obama wearing mom jeans for a while?

Posted by: Blacksheep at June 09, 2013 04:54 PM (bS6uW)

423 They say he has a girl friend, but he says in interview "my partner"

I smell another ghey.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 09, 2013 04:54 PM (wR+pz)

424
US definition of treason



"whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."



if he collaborates with the ChiComs and gives them aides to our state secrets, it is treason

if he does not, he is a patriot

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 04:55 PM (nH8jP)

425 Please understand; I am appalled by the NSA overreach. I just am not sure an this point whether the way this man chose to reveal this information is a good thing or not,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:55 PM (iwHSQ)

426 411
At this point we don't know whether he's giving info to the Chi Coms or not.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:51 PM (iwHSQ)

I bet they already gets it , but not from this guy.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 04:55 PM (AWmfW)

427 411 At this point we don't know whether he's giving info to the Chi Coms or not.

At this point, only he & Greenwald, et al., know whether he's even REALLY IN HONG KONG.

If you wanted to throw off the posse, would you announce in your 'coming out' video where the authorities can go to find you? You might. You might not. At this point, it's a toss-up.

Posted by: goy at June 09, 2013 04:55 PM (QsFws)

428 Morgenholz, I agree with you, in sentiment. But, in reality, what the fuck are we supposed to do about this? Do you see a way to stop it?

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 04:55 PM (8lmkt)

429 I really don't give a flying fuck if he did break any laws. I will hang a jury until hell freezes over rather than convict him.

This Administration has been ignoring court orders and laws left and right. Their punishment? Retire with full pensions or get promoted.

The tinfoil hat brigade has been proven right,and what are we debating about? Whether Snowden is a traitor or a savior. The real traitor is sitting in the Whitehouse violating our 4TH Amendment rights.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 09, 2013 04:55 PM (HiKk0)

430 Another question is whether the Chinese turned him.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 04:55 PM (ZPrif)

431 Like the ones in charge of the NSA? Those authorities?

No, obviously not

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:55 PM (iwHSQ)

432 Please understand; I am appalled by the NSA overreach. I just am not sure an this point whether the way this man chose to reveal this information is a good thing or not,

***

How would you have preferred for him to reveal it?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 04:56 PM (DPdf7)

433
arrggg

give them aid or our state secrets

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 04:56 PM (nH8jP)

434 418

He might have had good intentions, but he should have taken it to the proper authorities.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

You mean he should have taken it to the DOJ? Those authorities?

Or the ATF? Or the FBI? Those authorities? Those authorities controlled by the Federal Government?

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 04:56 PM (gWHwW)

435 422
So ...I should cut back on the online riffs about strangling hobos,
kidnapping baby sitters and Obama wearing mom jeans for a while?

Posted by: Blacksheep at June 09, 2013 04:54 PM (bS6uW)

Yeah, we're running low on storage for the moment , give it a week.

Posted by: NSA at June 09, 2013 04:56 PM (AWmfW)

436 Like the ones in charge of the NSA? Those authorities?

No, obviously not

Posted by: FenelonSpoke


Oh, right. The Galactic Federation of Democracies then.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 09, 2013 04:57 PM (SX6wc)

437 Fleeing to China has potential to cause huge problems with US-Chinese relations.

China should rendition his ass within 48 hours.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 04:57 PM (ZPrif)

438 People tell me they would rather watch paint dry than talk to me. When I was I my 20s, women told me I reminded them of their fathers. I am the most uninteresting man in the world.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 09, 2013 04:57 PM (P3dtw)

439 Huh. Medical marvel.

*snicker*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:53 PM (GEICT)

Canadians are resourceful.


And that's a third Cosmo.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:57 PM (08XhI)

440 The only way this story could have gotten the legs it has would be from a confirmed leftist

Would it get all this serious attention from everyone had it come from a conservative blogger, Rush, Beck, or others who would be tarred as "partisan liars"?

The witnesses who put away mafia dons aren't detectives, they're fellow mobsters

Posted by: kbdabear at June 09, 2013 04:57 PM (mCvL4)

441 And yes in case it wasn't clear I think Obama is a traitor.

Hi, NSA.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:57 PM (iwHSQ)

442 ..he should have taken it to the proper authorities.


****

Regular Joe: Sergeant O'Malley, I want to report a crooked cop."
Crooked Cop: Write down your complaint with all your personal information. We'll look into it and be in touch."

Posted by: Beto at June 09, 2013 04:57 PM (MhA4j)

443 if he collaborates with the ChiComs and gives them aides to our state secrets, it is treason

if he does not, he is a patriot

***

I don't have any problem buying that someone would flee the country without also giving aid to the enemy.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 04:58 PM (DPdf7)

444 Oh, right. The Galactic Federation of Democracies then.

Nope.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:58 PM (iwHSQ)

445 434

Do you mean those authorities in the Federal Government, whose union dues support Democratic politicians? Or those Federal employees who overwhelmingly vote Democrat?

Those authorities?

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 04:58 PM (gWHwW)

446 So which studio and director will get the option on the movie? Or will it be a HBO movie?

Posted by: BubbaLou at June 09, 2013 04:58 PM (qKpun)

447 Canadians are resourceful.

And that's a third Cosmo.

Posted by: Vendette (formerly I lurk, therefore I am) at June 09, 2013 04:57 PM (08XhI)



Did you look it up?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 09, 2013 04:58 PM (GEICT)

448 MORE POPCORN PLEASE!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 09, 2013 04:58 PM (wR+pz)

449 After the cheap lawn furniture and Michelle stiffing things, Snowden chose wisely in places to seek refuge. And his knowledge set will make the mandarins of Peiking treat him like a golden child.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 04:59 PM (TCGmg)

450 People tell me they would rather watch paint dry than talk to me. When I was I my 20s, women told me I reminded them of their fathers. I am the most uninteresting man in the world.

***

You need new friends.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 04:59 PM (DPdf7)

451 But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the
same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism,
it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and
to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the
patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity
which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The
history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated
injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment
of an absolute Tyranny over these States.

To prove this, let Facts be
submitted to a candid world.

Posted by: D.o.I. in Da Houz at June 09, 2013 04:59 PM (EZl54)

452 Would you rendition him after TFG gave you patio furniture?

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 09, 2013 05:00 PM (HiKk0)

453 I he was going to be a martyr then reveal himself on the steps of the capitol building. Announce you've committed this crime to prevent a greater crime. Take your arrest like the martyr you want to be.

That's how civil disobedience is done. You willingly accept the punishment to protest an unjust law. You hope for a pardon or jury nullification.

Involving China complicates things massively.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:00 PM (ZPrif)

454 So they erected this surveillance system and it has been extended perpetually for seven years? Is that what's known as priaPrism?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at June 09, 2013 05:00 PM (pxDth)

455 Interesting news today. This and Elija Cummings telling Candy Crowely today that the IRS scandal is over because it was an Conservative IRS agent in Cinn. that decided to look into Conservative groups all on his own, and he has the transcripts from the low levels to prove it...Case closed...

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at June 09, 2013 05:00 PM (9+ccr)

456
430
Another question is whether the Chinese turned him.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 04:55 PM (ZPrif)

♫Turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so ♪

What?

Posted by: Edward Snowden at June 09, 2013 05:00 PM (AWmfW)

457 We can count on Federal Employees to turn us all into slaves.

Please remember: No one has been fired during all of this. No pensions were lost.

Posted by: The American People at June 09, 2013 05:00 PM (gWHwW)

458 Let me release a "secret": This Country is fucked.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 09, 2013 05:00 PM (P3dtw)

459 It's desperately important we find out who is leaking this info that's damaging to Obama, but not a big deal that we find out who was targeting American citizens over their political views.

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 05:01 PM (MMC8r)

460
while we are talking treason

al Zawahiri, the head of Al Qaeda, came out in support of the Syrian "rebels" and asked all muslims to put away their Shia or Sunni squabble and unite to help the rebels in Syria (who are also Muslim Brotherhood backed). The rebels are terrorists, straight up.

The JEF, andSamantha Powers, really really want us to help the "rebels too.

Isn't that giving aid and comfort to our enemies?

isn't that treason?

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:01 PM (nH8jP)

461 I hate leaks too. Especially when they come from another leftist fairy.

Posted by: packsoldier at June 09, 2013 05:01 PM (nz58T)

462
"Oh well, what the hell" was McWatt, and he said it for the last time after everybody bailed but Doc Daneeka (who was on the manifest but not there) after cutting Kid Sampson in half on the raft, then flying into the mountain on Pianosa.
(sorry, one of my favorite books)

Posted by: barbarausa at June 09, 2013 05:02 PM (WWeoI)

463 378 374. Admiral Boorda doesn't like your joke
Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 09, 2013 04:39 PM (8sFfo)


I was stationed at Edzell, Scotland when that happened. That was sooo crazy...and sad.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at June 09, 2013 05:02 PM (wiJTg)

464 66No, article mentions he has a gf. So, not gay.Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:35 PM (ZPrif)That reminds me: NEED MORE CALGON!

Posted by: Minuteman at June 09, 2013 05:02 PM (dSE0q)

465 If it's not clear that I am against this regime and it policies and everyone in the Obama administration you haven't been reading my posts clearly. I just am not sure that Edward is entirely good guy with good motives or whether he's a dimwitted naive liberal because I don't know the whole story, and whether leaking it in the way he did was the best way to handle things to benefit our freedoms. Not being omniscient, I mean. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 05:02 PM (iwHSQ)

466 has anybody said "Ou sont les Neigedens d'antan?" yet, and I missed it?

Posted by: barbarausa at June 09, 2013 05:03 PM (WWeoI)

467 437
Fleeing to China has potential to cause huge problems with US-Chinese relations.



China should rendition his ass within 48 hours.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 04:57 PM (ZPrif)


If Moochelle hadn't snubbed them, they might. Now? Forget it.

Posted by: Tami at June 09, 2013 05:03 PM (X6akg)

468 Let me release a "secret": This Country is fucked.

***

Too late. That cat is already out of the bag.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 05:03 PM (DPdf7)

469 I admire the chess:

Don't try to extradite--what about Rosen and AP investigations? Poltics? (Yes)

Do try--what about base? What about that righteous denunciation of Bushall those years ago?

Don't try--an American has to go to China to be secure from Barack Obama and live his life free of the United States government.

Do try--chance for China to refuse: China, bulwark against a grasping America that spies on its own citizens. "Can you of the rest of the world trust America to not spy on you?"

China refusing to hand him over will be "proof" that China's taking over Hong Kong was not a mistake, and that the PRC can be a responsible player on the world stage. Listening, Taiwan?



Posted by: "Franklin" at June 09, 2013 05:03 PM (u6IuP)

470 He confessed? Damn! There goes my fishing expedition!

Posted by: Boss Erick Holder at June 09, 2013 05:03 PM (ZWaLo)

471 A political cartoon found on FB
http://tinyurl.com/p9x4tl8

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 05:04 PM (TCGmg)

472 I wonder if this guy tried the IG route as you are supposed to in cases like this. If he'd did and the IG rejected his claims or did nothing, then it will be interesting.

Posted by: CDR M at June 09, 2013 05:04 PM (dKV5k)

473 Snowden's motivations behind what he did don't matter, his actions are what counts

Posted by: kbdabear at June 09, 2013 05:04 PM (mCvL4)

474 434 418

He might have had good intentions, but he should have taken it to the proper authorities.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

You mean he should have taken it to the DOJ? Those authorities?

Or the ATF? Or the FBI? Those authorities? Those authorities controlled by the Federal Government?
Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 04:56 PM (gWHwW)

Texas Rangers, Walker wouldn't put up with this shit

Posted by: DOE Labs at June 09, 2013 05:04 PM (CMlD4)

475 where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?

bonus points for French. : )

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 05:04 PM (EZl54)

476 He's going to get nabbed so fast. Like a polar bear hiding at a Little League World Series game.

Posted by: t-bird at June 09, 2013 05:05 PM (FcR7P)

477 I just am not sure an this point whether the way this man chose to reveal this information is a good thing or not,

Given the behavior of this administration towards whistle blowers, where else could he possibly go other than the press? He knew upfront his life would be destroyed by saying anything.

The most transparent administration ever left him no other avenue.

Posted by: Purp at June 09, 2013 05:05 PM (Dc/7h)

478
I think it will cause the Obama admin to double down.

OdipO and the leftists are already at infinity with this stuff, nothing can make them do more.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2013 05:05 PM (g5YAm)

479 Naive, brave, kinda dumb, politically explosive -- Snowden is all of the above.

However, finally a whistle blower has exposed the left for once and its wrongdoing and its love of tyranny, so I'm okay with it.

Posted by: PJ at June 09, 2013 05:05 PM (ZWaLo)

480 So. Still boned?

Posted by: Bruce Wayne at June 09, 2013 05:05 PM (QTHTd)

481 CDR M, he was a contractor - not a lot of IG access

Posted by: DOE Labs at June 09, 2013 05:06 PM (CMlD4)

482 He's defected to China. Not a patriot.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 09, 2013 05:06 PM (jvnuj)

483 A political cartoon found on FB
http://tinyurl.com/p9x4tl8

****

that's about right

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 05:06 PM (DPdf7)

484 468 Let me release a "secret": This Country is fucked.


NSA? We have another domestic target for you.

Posted by: The Democratic Party at June 09, 2013 05:06 PM (gWHwW)

485
giving arms to terrorists who will kill us is treason

Amb Stevens unavailable for comment

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:06 PM (nH8jP)

486 @472

like DOJ-OIG and Fast and Furious?

He probably figured it was pointless.

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 05:06 PM (EZl54)

487 481 CDR M, he was a contractor - not a lot of IG access


Oh, we got rid of all of the IGs who weren't team players.

Posted by: The Democratic Party at June 09, 2013 05:07 PM (gWHwW)

488 nothing can make them do more.

Unfortunately, I think you're wrong there.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 05:07 PM (iwHSQ)

489 A political cartoon found on FB

That's funny and scary.

Posted by: no good deed at June 09, 2013 05:07 PM (mjR67)

490
He didn't really release any "secrets" other than obama and the nsa are spying on every American citizen. I fail to see the harm here.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2013 05:08 PM (g5YAm)

491 #453-I agree.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 05:08 PM (iwHSQ)

492
475, T. Hunter, thanks.

Posted by: barbarausa at June 09, 2013 05:08 PM (WWeoI)

493
I wonder if this guy tried the IG route as you are supposed to in cases like this. If he'd did and the IG rejected his claims or did nothing, then it will be interesting.

Something tells me to stock up on popcorn: this week should be, ahem, very interesting. I don't think this can be spun in any way that makes TFG's regime look anything other than really, really bad.

Plus, this is world-wide. Styrofoam columns can't save Barky now.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 05:09 PM (0HooB)

494 When did our great decline begin? The election of FDR in 1932? LBJ becoming president in 1963? The election of Jimmy Carter in 1976? Other?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 09, 2013 05:09 PM (P3dtw)

495
What's green and listens to your phone calls?

Posted by: soothsayer at June 09, 2013 05:09 PM (yhYn1)

496 If China doesn't hand him over within 72 hours then I believe that means China was behind this guy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:09 PM (ZPrif)

497 I'd be curious to find out if he went to Greenwald first.

Me? I'd've gone to Sen. Rand Paul.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 09, 2013 05:09 PM (xSegX)

498 What if the NSA was using "Chinese hackers" as covers for their infiltration of US firms? Then supplying the expert testimony that it was Chinese hackers ...

Posted by: DOE Labs at June 09, 2013 05:10 PM (CMlD4)

499 IGs, the ones whose reports get delayed for 2 years to help an election. Those IGs.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 09, 2013 05:10 PM (HiKk0)

500 Don't you worry Hispanics, Muslims, anyone from Africa, (but not South Africa), and all illegal aliens.

The NSA won't be saving YOUR information, because we are in charge of it.

Posted by: The Democratic Party at June 09, 2013 05:10 PM (gWHwW)

501 What's the over / under on Snowden still being alive 96 hours from now?

Posted by: AltonJackson (drive by) at June 09, 2013 05:10 PM (JMmQ9)

502 I believe the article said that he scanned documents before he left.

Probably has someone standing by to launch the docs in an email to Anonymous , et al. if he disappears.

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 05:11 PM (EZl54)

503
What's green and listens to your phone calls?

Kermit's dialing finger?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 05:11 PM (0HooB)

504 (I'm trying to link this in my sig.)
Everyone who loves The Republic needs to watch this interview.
This guy is not crazy.
This has to stop.
Every one knows the truism:
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts. Absolutely."
This is what absolute power looks like

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 09, 2013 05:11 PM (VVBLA)

505 Yeah, the Chinese are totally not involved in Hong Kong and totally into free speech. My gut tells me this guy is trying to come out as a whistle-blower to cover a spying career because his Chinese handlers cut him loose in light of the Xi Jinping/Obama meeting.

He's going to need a lifelong supply of Depends because he's going to be shitting his pants for the rest of his life which will end badly.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 05:12 PM (SzAZ7)

506 Something tells me to stock up on popcorn: this week should be, ahem, very interesting. I don't think this can be spun in any way that makes TFG's regime look anything other than really, really bad.

Plus, this is world-wide. Styrofoam columns can't save Barky now.

Backwards Boy
--------

Wish I shared your optimism. Cornered animals are very, very dangerous.

Posted by: Cate in IN at June 09, 2013 05:12 PM (1JJGO)

507 This comes out right as the Chicom Prez is meeting with Obama?
Right as Obama and the US have been bashing China for spying and hacking --- the spying and hacking activities of the US are revealed.
That's a big coincidence.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:12 PM (ZPrif)

508
I have black electrical tape on my computer camera so neener, neener nsa.

The fap-watching ghosts are a problem though.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 09, 2013 05:12 PM (g5YAm)

509 497 I'd be curious to find out if he went to Greenwald first.

Me? I'd've gone to Sen. Rand Paul.

Because the NSA or the DOJ would never place a US Senator under observation.

That should give every elected rep on capitol hill pause.

Posted by: The Democratic Party at June 09, 2013 05:12 PM (gWHwW)

510 He's defected to China. Not a patriot.

If I were him, I'd be enjoying my next Guinness while you thought that.

Posted by: t-bird at June 09, 2013 05:12 PM (FcR7P)

511 It's getting really tedious to have to scroll back to find out what people are responding to from previous posts when all they list is the post #.


Is it really that hard to copy SOMETHING from the post?




/bitch off

Posted by: Tami at June 09, 2013 05:12 PM (X6akg)

512 You can date the decline from Teddy's Bull Moose fracture, which split the conservatives from the republicans, the failure to take Little Round Top, or to Woodrow Wilson's election.

Posted by: DOE Labs at June 09, 2013 05:12 PM (CMlD4)

513 Be interesting if the DoJ tries to spin this to mean Snowden was a spy for the PRC because he admired their culture. The DoJ was following him but he slipped FBI surveillance...

That would be a serious black eye on the meme of 'competence' now wouldn't it? Just like that Russian spy inside the FBI who snuck away from his watchers and defected to Russia.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 05:13 PM (TCGmg)

514 yes

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:13 PM (ZPrif)

515 This shit started way way way before 9/11. Hell, by the early 80s, the fed admitted it could, and did, record up to half of all phone convos made within the US.

Posted by: Grimmy at June 09, 2013 05:13 PM (uUsh9)

516 I agree.

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 05:13 PM (MMC8r)

517 We had to nuke Hong Kong in order to save Obama. That and every red state. Omelettes. Eggs.

Posted by: The Democratic Party at June 09, 2013 05:13 PM (gWHwW)

518 494
Wilson

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 05:14 PM (M/TDA)

519 Only if the nun goes first.

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 05:14 PM (MMC8r)

520
Kermit's dialing finger?

Precisely!

Posted by: soothsayer at June 09, 2013 05:14 PM (39q3n)

521
no Congressman could have protected him

I think a lot of them were in on it

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:14 PM (nH8jP)

522 Old doe sock, or to the radical republicIan's convention tactics that put Lincoln instead of Sewerd on the ticket in 1860

Posted by: Jean at June 09, 2013 05:15 PM (CMlD4)

523 Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 05:12 PM (SzAZ7)

Yep, I think your theory has some merit.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 05:15 PM (iwHSQ)

524 Oh, man, I am SO out of the Presidential rankings cellar!

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at June 09, 2013 05:15 PM (FcR7P)

525 According to article Snowden voted for 3d party candidate in '08, not Barky.

Posted by: olddog in mo at June 09, 2013 05:15 PM (2n0fy)

526 If the Chicoms weren't involved they won't want this dipshit screwing things up and will hand him over immediately.
The next 72 hours will probably make it clear.

If I leak the secrets of the Hatfields and announce that from inside the home of a McCoy -- I've really complicated things if the McCoy's weren't involved. And if the weren't involved they are gonna kick my ass out immediately.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:15 PM (ZPrif)

527 I'm worried that this is some sort of false flag, it has that odor of setup/plant. I don't have proof or anything, it just sounds like barely-aware but technically informed bandwagon-jumping.

Besides, this Snowden guy sounds like a bit of a dimwit. The name rings a bell but I can't say why.

Don't ever get too attached to one source, we need to keep building the case against runaway government.

How many Hong Kong politicians disappeared after the transition, never to be seen again? Anyone else remember that?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 09, 2013 05:15 PM (qyfb5)

528 Marbury Vs. Madison?

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 05:16 PM (MMC8r)

529 As soon as I seize power, I call in targeted air strikes on the IRS, Columbia University, Yale University, Cal-Davis, Cal-Berkeley, Penn State, the University of Wisconsin, Harvard, and Hyannis Port. And that's just the first fucking wave.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 09, 2013 05:16 PM (P3dtw)

530
it is interesting he did this now, consider the Chinese are here

sort of a little reminder to the JEF of who is the "top" in the relationship

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:16 PM (nH8jP)

531 Black. Democratium.


This too shall pass.

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 05:16 PM (EZl54)

532 Yes, cornered animals are very dangerous as are malignant narcissists.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 05:16 PM (iwHSQ)

533 My guess is that Obama skips the Daily Briefings so he can study all of the Domestic Briefings.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 05:16 PM (gWHwW)

534 Lizzy, he "defected?" Where did you get that? All we know is that he is hiding out in HK to evade us retaliation. Has he surrendered us citizenship? Asked for asylum?

Posted by: Cardinal Hans at June 09, 2013 05:17 PM (fH4cN)

535 0bama to meet with Congress on Tuesday, and explain the PRISM program.
Given the potential for more news releases, will that meeting be necessary???

Posted by: SWteven Tyler at June 09, 2013 05:17 PM (TVgrx)

536 # 528. They went fifteen rounds, didn't they?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 09, 2013 05:17 PM (P3dtw)

537
Wish I shared your optimism. Cornered animals are very, very dangerous.

In Barky's case, I feel he'd just have that public meltdown everybody's been waiting for. He's only aggressive when he feels he has backup.

IMO, he and his entire regime has had the rug very forcibly pulled out from under it and him.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 05:17 PM (0HooB)

538 #511

On a phone, yeh.

Posted by: Mama AJ, who is not on a phone and just being difficult at June 09, 2013 05:17 PM (SUKHu)

539 What time is the net thread?

Posted by: ALH at June 09, 2013 05:18 PM (6T5Tk)

540 Off Topic: Iain M Banks (author) just died.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22835047

Posted by: Depressed at June 09, 2013 05:18 PM (YTGKQ)

541 501
What's the over / under on Snowden still being alive 96 hours from now?

Posted by: AltonJackson (drive by) at June 09, 2013 05:10 PM (JMmQ9)

He got better chances now.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 05:18 PM (AWmfW)

542 HK's an expensive place to "hang out" - whose covering this guy's per dime.

Posted by: Jean at June 09, 2013 05:18 PM (CMlD4)

543 This is the kind of thing that starts wars.
If this guy did it on his own almost any country other than China would've been better. Just for the sake of world peace.

The single most important relationship for preventing World War 3 is the Sino-American relationship. If China and America can learn to trust each and get along, then the next 100 years can be great.

If they don't then, as Obama said, we're gonna have problems.

This asshole has just set fire to the bridge of trust between China and America. China needs to put out that fire as soon as possible.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:18 PM (ZPrif)

544 535
Now that would be funny. Congress telling the Pres. He doesn't need to come over because they already know what they need to know.

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 05:18 PM (M/TDA)

545 527

Well put.

Posted by: tablet heck at June 09, 2013 05:19 PM (fH4cN)

546
His best option was to face the music. Civil disobedience. He committed a massive crime. Perhaps for a good cause. It's still illegal as shit to do what he did.

Fleeing to China weakens his stance as a whistle-blower civil disobedience guy.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:37 PM (ZPrif)









If I'm remembering my civil disobedience theory correctly, sticking around to face the music is the whole point. Either to directly challenge an unjust law (forcing the govt to enforce the unjust law, thereby shaming the govt into changing it's ways), or to become a convicted and incarcerated martyr by violating legitimate laws in protest against greater issues.

Either way, he's really cocked up his situation and credibility by running away like a pussy. He should have forced the govt to prosecute him.

As to the possibility of Church Committee II: Electric Boogaloo destroying the intel community, frankly that was inevitable once the NSA started wholesale spying on the American People at large.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 09, 2013 05:19 PM (MBqvE)

547 Yep, HK is one of the most expensive cities on the planet. He made $200k per year and is 29? He's got maybe a couple hundred grand in savings. That's a couple years in HK -- if you live cheap.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:19 PM (ZPrif)

548 542
So many questions yet to be answered.

Posted by: Tuna at June 09, 2013 05:19 PM (M/TDA)

549 540 Off Topic: Iain M Banks (author) just died.

I loved most of his work. But not "Transition" or "Surface Detail." He was big on leftist cool aid.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 05:20 PM (gWHwW)

550
the guy did not graduate high school, got discharged from the seal (?) during training for breaking both his legs during training, started as a security guard at NSA. This is what he says, so it may be self-serving

seems like, by his own admission, he has a life pattern of starting things and flaming out before completion

why was he entrusted with a security clearance in the first place?

I am glad we know what we know, but it seems like "management" and "supervision" at the CIA and NSA are a bit fucked up

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:21 PM (nH8jP)

551 I would tell Obama that he should bring a hard drive over with each and every piece of data linked to myself or my staff.

Posted by: Jean at June 09, 2013 05:21 PM (CMlD4)

552 He got better chances now.

***

Which is why, I suspect, he chose to reveal himself.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 05:21 PM (DPdf7)

553 FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 05:16
-------
Have been following your comments and agree that unraveling the moral law arguments can not yet be done.

Posted by: Cate in IN at June 09, 2013 05:21 PM (1JJGO)

554 Snowden had better have some good security, and a location safe from Hellfire missiles.

Bet zero would like to dispatch Seal Team Six to get him.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at June 09, 2013 05:21 PM (PH+2B)

555 Sweet jeebus. I was busy all day and just saw the "gift bench."

Pink. With visible hardware.

No. Fucking. Words.

Was it made from the wood taken from Gibson Guitars?

o_0

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 05:22 PM (lVPtV)

556 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 09, 2013 05:19 PM (MBqvE)

Well stated.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 05:22 PM (iwHSQ)

557 #554

Too bad most of Seal Team 6 was killed in a helicopter "accident" a few months after Bin Ladin.

Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 05:23 PM (gWHwW)

558 Should NEVER have been CIA. Doesn't have the smarts or pragmatism for it.

"...the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there would be real reforms..."

Not ONE of us here thought that, skittle shitting, unicorn loving, stupes shouldn't be CIA.

Posted by: mare at June 09, 2013 05:23 PM (A98Xu)

559
why did the JEF need to brief Congress on PRISM?

didn't he tell us everybody already knew and Boooshhhh?

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:23 PM (nH8jP)

560 All of Congress has been briefed or knows about Prism already, or did Obama lie about that too.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 09, 2013 05:23 PM (HiKk0)

561 Flatbush Joe, the PRC can spin it thusly -

"CNN Beijing. China's foreign minister just announced they will grant Edward Snowden political refugee status. They agree with his fears that such a regime with so little regard for the civil liberties would not treat him fairly. The sole olive branch was the suggestion that the US ask the UN to act as intermediary in regards to what the foreign minister called the Snowden Issue."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 05:24 PM (TCGmg)

562 Sorry I'm really late.

8 Man, it would suck to be one of his (presumably innocent) co-workers. Or worse, his boss. The Feds are gonna ream their assholes inside and out to see if they if they helped him or what they knew. Any slight break of protocol, which normally might be overlooked, will be nailed to the wall.

Yeah. Lois Lerner and Eric Holder have really gotten reamed and nailed.

Posted by: Golfman In NC at June 09, 2013 05:25 PM (BB6zU)

563 So, it looks like SecState Jean Francois Kerry is a "rogue, low-level employee" of this administration, too.

http://tinyurl.com/kd4ow9q

Secretary of State John Kerry last month secretly sent $1.3 billion in
U.S. military aid to Muslim Brotherhood-controlled Egypt, waiving the
restrictions put in place by Congress to withhold such aid unless the
country could meet certain democracy standards.


And the low-information voters of the nation said... baaaaaaaaaaahh!

Posted by: DocJ at June 09, 2013 05:25 PM (du8Bm)

564 IMO, he and his entire regime has had the rug very forcibly pulled out from under it and him.

Backwards Boy

------

From your lips, to God's ear 'cause I didn't vote for this either.

Posted by: Cate in IN at June 09, 2013 05:25 PM (1JJGO)

565 543
This is the kind of thing that starts wars.

If this guy did it on his own almost any country other than China would've been better. Just for the sake of world peace.



The single most important relationship for preventing World War 3 is
the Sino-American relationship. If China and America can learn to trust
each and get along, then the next 100 years can be great.



If they don't then, as Obama said, we're gonna have problems.



This asshole has just set fire to the bridge of trust between China
and America. China needs to put out that fire as soon as possible.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:18 PM (ZPrif)
WTF?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 05:25 PM (AWmfW)

566 All of Congress has been briefed or knows about Prism already, or did Obama lie about that too.

***

yes. He lied about that too.

Some in Congress have disputed that claim.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 05:25 PM (DPdf7)

567 I'm in agreement with J.J. Sefton on this and am leaning toward Snowden being a hero... I also think that his being a liberal could actually be better for us than if he were a "disgruntled conservative" as the MSM would say. We get to say, "Look, even *liberals* think O has gone too far!"

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 09, 2013 05:25 PM (KL49F)

568 If he was disgusted by the turning of the banker by the CIA, does he know about important, political individuals in the US that have also been used/blackmailed? Was the reason for ensuring the information did not relate to specific persons, because that is the true purpose?

Posted by: EveR at June 09, 2013 05:25 PM (pPOhx)

569
All of Congress has been briefed or knows about Prism already, or did Obama lie about that too.

Not according to a couple of Dim Congresscritters who said they knew nothing about this.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 05:26 PM (0HooB)

570 they told me if I voted for conservativesI would be living in a police state, and they were right

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:26 PM (nH8jP)

571 Did you notice all of the veiled threats Snowden dropped in his interview?

He's all like, "I had access to everything, every intelligence agency's personnel records, even the President's personal email ..."

The guy has some serious enemies. I hope he has the goods to back this up, and a plan for the people who are coming after him.

Posted by: Phinn at June 09, 2013 05:27 PM (oFH2D)

572 Some in Congress have disputed that claim.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 05:25 PM (DPdf7)

Democrats and Republicans in Congress have disputed the lie.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 09, 2013 05:27 PM (baL2B)

573 Wasn't that long ago when Chinese dissidents sought asylum here in the USA.

Posted by: mrp at June 09, 2013 05:27 PM (HjPtV)

574 @550
why was he entrusted with a security clearance in the first place?

well, when you have decorated Seals who "finished" a lot of things confused about whether or not they are a boy or a girl and talking on national tv to Anderson Cooper about it....

I'd say security clearances are as much politically correct BS as everything else these days.

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 05:27 PM (EZl54)

575 what do you mean, wtf? I didn't stutter.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:27 PM (ZPrif)

576 I do like the term : "Turnkey Fascism."
It's interesting to me: He isn't a fed employee. He's a contractor. Albeit w/ a very high sec. clearance. I wonder if that muddies the water any way.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 09, 2013 05:27 PM (VVBLA)

577 Posted by: Jack at June 09, 2013 05:23 PM (gWHwW)

Yeah is Leon Panetta going to hang for giving classified info to the civilian film makers?

Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 09, 2013 05:27 PM (HiKk0)

578 No. Fucking. Words.

Was it made from the wood taken from Gibson Guitars?

o_0


Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 05:22 PM (lVPtV)

I know, right, Jane? Plus, how the hell is he supposed to shlep that piece o' crap back to China? Assuming he even wants to, which I doubt.

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 05:28 PM (8lmkt)

579 571
Did you notice all of the veiled threats Snowden dropped in his interview?



He's all like, "I had access to everything, every intelligence
agency's personnel records, even the President's personal email ..."




If only he could have gotten his hands on TFG's college transcripts, and the passport the fuckwit traveled to Pokeeston on.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 05:28 PM (lVPtV)

580 So, just like Watergate this scandal now has a "Deep Throat" as well - only this time we know who the dude is.

This could get... interesting.

Posted by: DocJ at June 09, 2013 05:29 PM (du8Bm)

581 The US-China relationship is hugely important. Guy was just on CNN saying that his contacts in the intel world think that this was a Chinese espionage operation.

If this guy acted alone then by fleeing to Hong Kong he is screwing up US-Chinese relations. Many in the US will believe the Chicoms did this. That's bad if they didn't.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:29 PM (ZPrif)

582
I know, right, Jane? Plus, how the hell is he
supposed to shlep that piece o' crap back to China? Assuming he even
wants to, which I doubt.


Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 05:28 PM (8lmkt


Didn't Mooch snub the wife? Layers and layers of "class" with those two grifters.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 05:30 PM (lVPtV)

583
isn't rex one of our regular trolls?

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:30 PM (nH8jP)

584 /// well, when you have decorated Seals who "finished" a lot of things confused about whether or not they are a boy or a girl and talking on national tv to Anderson Cooper about it.... ///

That has nothing to do with security clearances.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 05:30 PM (dh83Q)

585 Sorry, "Turn Key Tyranny."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 09, 2013 05:30 PM (VVBLA)

586 Why wouldn't he have fled to a country with which we do not have an extradition agreement?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 05:31 PM (DPdf7)

587
I know, right, Jane? Plus, how the hell is he supposed to shlep that piece o' crap back to China? Assuming he even wants to, which I doubt.

I picture it duct-taped and bungee-corded to the back of his limo like Granny's bench on the Beverly Hilbilly-mobile.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 05:31 PM (0HooB)

588 Yeah. Lois Lerner and Eric Holder have really gotten reamed and nailed.

Lois Lerner and Eric Holder were acting in accordance with TFG's express desires. Edward Snowden, not so much.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 09, 2013 05:31 PM (jGsIV)

589 583
isn't rex one of our regular trolls?
Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:30 PM (nH8jP)

No that's Rex the wonder dog

Posted by: The dog at June 09, 2013 05:32 PM (e6VVp)

590 #578. Barry's first choice was an Aqua Velva gift pack.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 09, 2013 05:32 PM (P3dtw)

591 I'll ask you once again, peasant - has that flaming skull been cleared for carbon emissions?

Posted by: Bob Perciasepe, High Priest of Gaia at June 09, 2013 05:32 PM (xMCbT)

592 Has anyone verified any of this shit? I ain't sayin' he ain't real, I'm just sayin' he don't smell real. I just have this interview and what little else they've said so far to go off of.

It almost reads like a parody.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 09, 2013 05:32 PM (qyfb5)

593 My point.

Posted by: Golfman In NC at June 09, 2013 05:32 PM (BB6zU)

594 @584 Yoshi

Sexual identity confusion is not a security risk?

riiiiight.

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 05:32 PM (EZl54)

595 Hey, how about another gay NBA player outing himself?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 09, 2013 05:33 PM (P3dtw)

596 If only he could have gotten his hands on TFG's college transcripts, and the passport the fuckwit traveled to Pokeeston on.

As much as I would loooooove that information to become public, it's been locked up so tight, nobody's communicating it, even in private.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 09, 2013 05:33 PM (xSegX)

597 Didn't Mooch snub the wife? Layers and layers of "class" with those two grifters.




Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 05:30 PM (lVPtV)

Why, yes, the definitely went full ghetto this time. The craziest was when we got word of that shooting in Santa Monica and I knew himself was there. Gave me a moment, that's all I am willing to say on the matter.

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 05:33 PM (8lmkt)

598 Merovign, with this lawn chair administration I am afraid not to believe it....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 05:34 PM (TCGmg)

599

Wow, a gay skull. Guess I better read the article...

Posted by: Meremortal at June 09, 2013 05:34 PM (1Y+hH)

600 #578. Barry's first choice was an Aqua Velva gift pack.

***

Hai Karate!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 05:34 PM (DPdf7)

601 I picture it duct-taped and bungee-corded to the back of his limo like Granny's bench on the Beverly Hilbilly-mobile.

LOL, BackwardsBoy!!!

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 05:34 PM (8lmkt)

602 Theory (on the cui bono principle): knowing that this story is going to have legs the Obama Admin gave indications they would "out" him as the leaker, giving him essentially no choice but to get ahead of the story to appear more principled, as opposed to some guy just saying things because he got caught.

The effect, while not completely ending the matter will at least give the MSM lots of personal detail of "the leaker" to talk about, and stake the "credibility" of the story on all kinds of irrelevant detail about this guys life.

Also gives them (to the LIV) some sort of equivalency to James Rosen (if "our" leaker should be prosecuted, so should yours... we're all kind of the same us politicians). At this point, being viewed as a cynical manipulator (to the Obamabots) is basically equivalent to being "skillful" and "intelligent" in the holy cause of Progressivism.

I do think that many eyes are being opened but I also think that this Administration understands the news cycle, and tactics of wearing down the attention span of the average American, to a degree never before seen in this country.

Posted by: NYC Parent at June 09, 2013 05:34 PM (XjvAU)

603 Ace, wasn't Snowden the name of the poor airman who was killed in Catch-22?

Posted by: BNJ at June 09, 2013 05:34 PM (Im0XI)

604 His best option was to face the music. Civil disobedience. He committed a massive crime. Perhaps for a good cause. It's still illegal as shit to do what he did. Fleeing to China weakens his stance as a whistle-blower civil disobedience guy. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:37 PM (ZPrif)


-------------------------------------------------


So who, pray tell, was going to reveal the utter disregard of the American population and their Constitution? The DOJ? The Senate Intelligence Committee? Get real. I don't care if he's disillusioned or not, but through his actions, we're seeing, and I'm hoping more disillusioned obombots are seeing, just how sinister and insidious this regime is.

And I'm agreeing with other commenters here. Knowing the extent of the lawlessness of this regime that's been exposed since last June, I also now believe the regime got to Roberts. I had my suspiscions before, but now I'm becoming more convinced that this is so.

Posted by: Soona at June 09, 2013 05:34 PM (9QyTp)

605 What is missing in this is the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and what they might be doing. Unless it was changed when the DHS was formed, the size of the DIA dwarfed other intelligence gathering agencies. Wonder what they are up to these days.

Hi NSA/DIA

Posted by: Ammo Dump at June 09, 2013 05:35 PM (GgPam)

606 Affirmative action is a bitch.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 09, 2013 05:35 PM (P3dtw)

607 I'm still gobsmacked.

A *pink* garden bench. It looks like something you could pick up at Lowe's or Home Depot. Except PINK.

And the inscription, "From Barack Obama." Not the people of the U. S., just Himself.

Fucking malignant narcissist.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 05:36 PM (lVPtV)

608 Gee, you sure miss a lot when you're out mowing the lawn (or cutting the grass, or mowing the grass).

I've read about half of the comments (the first half, so I don't know if there have been any new bombshells), but my initial reaction is that anything that throws a monkey wrench into the gears of the burgeoning police state is a Good Thing. A damn good thing.

On the other hand, if he's giving up secrets, methods, and/or technologies to foreign governments, that would obviously be bad. Maybe the foreign and domestic surveillance programs are so intertwined that it's impossible to do one without the other. I don't know.

There's a lot we don't know yet, of course. As for his liberalism and optimism about Obama, well, I remember what I was like when I was 24. As an earlier commenter said, maybe the Obama supporters are starting to crack. That would also be a Good Thing.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 05:36 PM (sdi6R)

609 #603. Help him? Help who? Help him.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 09, 2013 05:36 PM (P3dtw)

610 Wonder if Carbonite is actually a front for PRISM?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 05:36 PM (TCGmg)

611 weird symmetry of the JEF'spink garden bench andEastwood's empty chair at the convention

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:37 PM (nH8jP)

612

Sooo…… Of interest to probably no one, Booze Allen Hamilton (BAH)
is currently balls deep in the Navy’s Information Assurance (IA) game. They,
BAH that is, have become more or less a one stop shop for systems and procedures
for securing everything from the Navy’s IP traffic to radio messages between
ships. They actually dictate to the Navy how accreditation is and is not to be
conducted. This means that BAH has access to a lot more than just prism.



In my opinion, they as a company have developed a nasty
reputation for skirting Federal Acquisition Regulations and standard defense
contracting protocols. I for one am going to enjoy watching how this shakes
out.

Posted by: Your Tax Dollars At Work at June 09, 2013 05:37 PM (2vqY3)

613 Wonder if Carbonite is actually a front for PRISM?

***

Rush hardest hit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 05:37 PM (DPdf7)

614 /// Sexual identity confusion is not a security risk?

riiiiight. ///

That chick didn't reveal she was "confused" until after she separated from the SEALs. So no.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 05:37 PM (dh83Q)

615 Wonder if Carbonite is actually a front for PRISM?

If it is, that's brilliantly evil.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 09, 2013 05:37 PM (jGsIV)

616 Soona, read what I wrote. I'm not saying it's wrong to reveal the info. But fleeing to China is beyond stupid. Flee to Sweden. To Berkeley. Reveal it on the steps of the Capitol and take your punishment.

Fleeing to China hurts his own cause. Many won't believe him. Being on Chinese soil implicates the Chinese. Hong Kong is controlled by Chicom intelligence.

If this guy is a noble patriot trying to shed light on an unjust law -- China is the last place he should have fled and revealed his identity.

MLK didn't change things by flying to Russia and badmouthing US laws. No -- he went to Birmingham, broke the law, and got arrested.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:38 PM (ZPrif)

617 This asshole has just set fire to the bridge of trust between China and America. China needs to put out that fire as soon as possible.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:18 PM (ZPrif)

~

If the Chinese protect him then he was spying for them and would be afraid to hand him back because of that. If they do hand him back he really is just a dumb fuck.

Any slack I'd cut the guy for civil disobedience stopped at the US border. There are ways to handle internal dissent besides exposing highly classified information to our enemies. Like using the Inspector General.

He did it but doesn't want to bear the consequence. He has no morale authority.

My money is on full blown traitor.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 05:39 PM (SzAZ7)

618 /// And I'm agreeing with other commenters here. Knowing the extent of the lawlessness of this regime that's been exposed since last June, I also now believe the regime got to Roberts. I had my suspiscions before, but now I'm becoming more convinced that this is so. ///

Holder basically admitted to surveilling members of US Congress. Why not the third branch of government too?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 05:39 PM (dh83Q)

619 600
#578. Barry's first choice was an Aqua Velva gift pack.



***



Hai Karate!


You're dating yourselves. The correct answer is Axe.

Posted by: pep at June 09, 2013 05:39 PM (6TB1Z)

620
Sooo…… Of interest to probably no one, Booze Allen Hamilton (BAH)
is currently balls deep in the Navy’s Information Assurance (IA) game. They,
BAH that is, have become more or less a one stop shop for systems and procedures
for securing everything from the Navy’s IP traffic to radio messages between
ships. They actually dictate to the Navy how accreditation is and is not to be
conducted. This means that BAH has access to a lot more than just prism.





In my opinion, they as a company have developed a nasty
reputation for skirting Federal Acquisition Regulations and standard defense contracting protocols. I for one am going to enjoy watching how this shakes
out.

Posted by: Your Tax Dollars goshyou know who is really really interesting in asserting their Navy these days?The Chinese

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:39 PM (nH8jP)

621 weird symmetry of the JEF'spink garden bench andEastwood's empty chair at the convention

Posted by: thunderb

Very nice catch, thunderb!!! Hadn't thought of that, but will hope for a p'shop from some talented 'ron soon.

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 05:39 PM (8lmkt)

622 NDH and Blanco, we should sow that meme over at the fever swamps.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 05:40 PM (TCGmg)

623 I'm thinking of creating a line of Biden yard gnomes. In different little outfits and such.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 05:40 PM (lVPtV)

624
The US-China relationship is hugely important. Guy was just on CNN
saying that his contacts in the intel world think that this was a
Chinese espionage operation.


Possibly related then.....The Chinese Premier and his wife refused to stay at the luxury resort the State Dept. had set up for them, due to fears of being spied on.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 09, 2013 05:40 PM (0IhFx)

625 MLK didn't change things by flying to Russia and badmouthing US laws. No -- he went to Birmingham, broke the law, and got arrested.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:38 PM (ZPrif)

~

Get out of my head!


Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 05:41 PM (SzAZ7)

626

#620. goshyou know
who is really really interesting in asserting their Navy these days?The Chinese


Right?

Posted by: Your Tax Dollars At Work at June 09, 2013 05:41 PM (2vqY3)

627 Mr. Ferverhead,

What highly classified information has he leaked that has been legally obtained by the us government?

Posted by: tablet heck at June 09, 2013 05:41 PM (fH4cN)

628 615 Wonder if Carbonite is actually a front for PRISM?

If it is, that's brilliantly evil.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at June 09, 2013 05:37 PM (jGsIV)


Fuck that. LifeLock. Levin, Rush and Hannity are big spokespeople.

Gevalt.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 09, 2013 05:41 PM (+98Gb)

629 We'll know a lot more in the next 72 hours.

Right now we only have the carefully crafted info the leaker has put out himself to paint himself in the best, most noble light.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:42 PM (ZPrif)

630 And the inscription, "From Barack Obama." Not the people of the U. S., just Himself.

Seriously, what have you people done? I mean once is bad enough, but reelecting this numbskull? What is wrong with you?

Posted by: President Xi at June 09, 2013 05:42 PM (6TB1Z)

631 the Chinese Navy is suddenly doing exercises off Hawaii with us

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:42 PM (nH8jP)

632 I hope his family and his girlfriend will be OK. Countdown until convenient "accidents" in 3, 2, ...

Posted by: Cranky j anne at June 09, 2013 05:42 PM (lKCye)

633 @614 Yoshi

You do not understand what a security risk is. I understand.

The world is full of insane people. It's when the insanity can be manipulated for blackmail/advantage that it is a problem.

The fact that the insane-man-who-thinks-he's-a-girl kept it a secret and lied is neither an endorsement of him or the process that gave him a clearance.

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 05:43 PM (EZl54)

634 I think I'll pour myself a cold drink and go sit in the hot sun for a few minutes and keep the deer company.

pink garden bench

Gah.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 05:43 PM (lVPtV)

635 Chilean President sits at President's desk in Oval Office. What a great money making scheme! Good one Barry! Who's next? SEIU's president?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 09, 2013 05:43 PM (P3dtw)

636 I'm thinking of creating a line of Biden yard gnomes. In different little outfits and such.

falling over laughing at the visuals here, Jane. I do hope one of the first ones will be dodging enemy fire . . .

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 05:43 PM (8lmkt)

637 Did somebody say balls deep?

Posted by: Reggie Love at June 09, 2013 05:43 PM (V1ZIU)

638 616
MLK didn't change things by flying to Russia and badmouthing US laws. No -- he went to Birmingham, broke the law, and got arrested.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:38 PM (ZPrif)


True, but we had a thing called the Rule of Law back in those days. These days it's looking awfully tattered.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 05:43 PM (sdi6R)

639 598 Merovign, with this lawn chair administration I am afraid not to believe it....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 05:34 PM (TCGmg)


You know I'm hardly the king of caution, especially in the last month, about government abuse stories. But, especially when it's coming from the Occupy/Manning axis, it's worth a little scrutiny.

I am just smelling self-aggrandizing and interviewer manipulation from what little we have here. It's exactly the source the Gruniad would listen to saying what they want to hear.

The documents could be real and this guy just got access to them and published them.

Having difficulty trusting the messenger on this one. Time will tell.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 09, 2013 05:44 PM (qyfb5)

640 617
This asshole has just set fire to the bridge of trust between China and
America. China needs to put out that fire as soon as possible.



Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:18 PM (ZPrif)



~



If the Chinese protect him then he was spying for them and would be
afraid to hand him back because of that. If they do hand him back he
really is just a dumb fuck.



Any slack I'd cut the guy for civil disobedience stopped at the US
border. There are ways to handle internal dissent besides exposing
highly classified information to our enemies. Like using the Inspector
General.



He did it but doesn't want to bear the consequence. He has no morale authority.



My money is on full blown traitor.





Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 05:39 PM (SzAZ7)

You guys seem REALLY confident that they would've arrested him and given him a fair trial. That seems a little optimistic for this Administration.

Posted by: sc at June 09, 2013 05:44 PM (I3sbu)

641 Rush hardest hit.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 05:37 PM (DPdf7)

---------------------------------------


Carbonite withdrew from his show after the "slut" incident. Then begged to come back. Rush said, "nyet"!

Posted by: Soona at June 09, 2013 05:45 PM (9QyTp)

642 falling over laughing at the visuals here, Jane. I do hope one of the first ones will be dodging enemy fire . . .


Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 05:43 PM (8lmkt


I'm thinking wearing a silly hat and holding a water gun, to start.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 05:45 PM (lVPtV)

643 # 625. I just got back from Detroit. It's working out so well.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at June 09, 2013 05:45 PM (P3dtw)

644

Makes me want to re-watch (for the umpteen-billionth time) Coppola's "The Conversation."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 09, 2013 05:45 PM (+98Gb)

645 JJ Sefton, Carbonite is a better bet since the consumer pays for software that backs up their local hard drive to remote servers. Has anyone found out where those servers are? The consumer paying money to have their entire hard drive examined by spies. What an elegant concept.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 05:46 PM (TCGmg)

646 I'm thinking wearing a silly hat and holding a water gun, to start.




Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 05:45 PM (lVPtV)

And definitely one in a Home Depot apron!

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 05:46 PM (8lmkt)

647 What highly classified information has he leaked that has been legally obtained by the us government?

Posted by: tablet heck at June 09, 2013 05:41 PM (fH4cN)

~
Ummm...all those classification markings and program code words on the documents he released...yeah, that.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 05:46 PM (SzAZ7)

648 Department of Justice IG

Fast and Furious.

That would pretty much wrap it up for IG involvement

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 05:46 PM (EZl54)

649 Lol, Peaches.


Now, I actually am going to sit in the hot sun for a few minutes and drink a talk cocktail.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 05:46 PM (lVPtV)

650 /// You do not understand what a security risk is. I understand. ///

Why don't you set the folks at SOFREP straight then while you're at it?

I've been given to understand you're an asshole.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 05:46 PM (dh83Q)

651 46
He's going public so he doesn't get disappeared.



http://tinyurl.com/prwzqlb

****

So his career in spying n stuff has confirmed that people really do get disappeared. Since they were spying on everyone, I wonder how many people were punished by this "most ethical" administration.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 09, 2013 05:47 PM (SkyIE)

652 Is it that hard to understand why involving China massively hurts this guy's credibility?

Go to Europe. Go to Australia. Go to South America. Go anywhere but China. Russia would be the 2nd worst.

If he really was a lone wolf then going to China was an incredibly stupid idea.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:47 PM (ZPrif)

653 Anyone decipher what is on leaker's laptop? Looks like "I support [something] rights.

http://tinyurl.com/jvggu4c

Posted by: NCwoof at June 09, 2013 05:48 PM (aUQgu)

654
Remember when I used to say now we know what it'd be like if a college faculty ran the federal government?

Now we know what it'd be like if '60's radical-leftists ran the federal government.


Posted by: soothsayer at June 09, 2013 05:48 PM (+oin+)

655 Ah namecalling.

Guess you showed me.

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 05:48 PM (EZl54)

656 It should be clear by now that neither Obama nor any of his people are fucking competent.

Posted by: Fritz at June 09, 2013 05:48 PM (G9Mmf)

657 You guys seem REALLY confident that they would've arrested him and given him a fair trial. That seems a little optimistic for this Administration.

Posted by: sc at June 09, 2013 05:44 PM (I3sbu)


Why would people who would send thugs to kill you in Missouri not send thugs to kill you in Hong Kong?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 09, 2013 05:48 PM (qyfb5)

658
Ultimately, this leak has accomplished nothing useful. No one will be held to account. There is no way that anything will stick to Obama or his cronies, and even if it did, it would not matter. Obama has already flaunted countless laws, everyone knows it, and not one bit of action has been taken in response. Nor will any action ever BE taken. When the entire apparatus of the state is aligned with the tyrant at the top, the "law" is irrelevant. They do not NEED to have secret files about all of us - they can already do as they please if anyone causes trouble. I see no indication that anyone who matters will ever be held to account for the IRS "scandal." The EPA is getting away scott-free.There is no accountability, and probably never will be again.This is the natural result ofuniversal suffrage and a culturally divided population with a shockingly inadequate education.
What WILL happen now is that our enemies, the muslims,will be taking even more precautions, and fewer mistakes will be made. More of their plans will succeed, and more of our people willsuffer maiming anddeath. Weare trying to find a middle ground that does not exist - we want to let the muz trash run around free in ourcountry,we wantbe private inall our communications over global public networks, and we want law enforcement to somehow prevent every serious act of terrorism in a land with hundreds of millions of people.
The fact that this guy, hired by our so-called secret intelligence agency, could be such a credulous rube is alarming.We have people doing spy work who arestupid and lacking any normal human cynicism. For that reason alone this guy needs to beliquidated by his former co-workers -to serve as a lesson to the others. Indeed - it needs to be obvious. None of this fake accident, fake suicide, etc.Send. A. Message.

Posted by: Reactionary at June 09, 2013 05:49 PM (jfeoD)

659 592
Has anyone verified any of this shit? I ain't sayin' he ain't real, I'm
just sayin' he don't smell real. I just have this interview and what
little else they've said so far to go off of.



It almost reads like a parody.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 09, 2013 05:32 PM (qyfb5)

Occam's razor says hero.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 05:49 PM (AWmfW)

660 If he is a lone wolf how does going to a country that will pick him up for the feds help him?

Posted by: tablet heck at June 09, 2013 05:49 PM (fH4cN)

661 True, but we had a thing called the Rule of Law back in those days. These days it's looking awfully tattered.
Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 05:43 PM (sdi6R)


-----------------------------------------


We only have to look right now at FL and the Zimmerman case. 'Nuff said.

Posted by: Soona at June 09, 2013 05:49 PM (9QyTp)

662 I can see it now:

The Ballad of Edward Snowden (with aplogies to Scatman Crothers):

Hong Kong Flew He, the number one super spy
Hong Kong Flew He, quicker than the FBI
Oh he's got style, a groovy pile
Secrets from all the shops.

When the going gets tough, he's had enough
Time for the "Hong Kong flew he stop."



Posted by: Henry, the mild mannered janitor at June 09, 2013 05:49 PM (u6IuP)

663 If this guy is what he says he is then the best place to out himself would've been the steps of the capitol building.
Maybe he just made a really, really stupid move in involving China.
Or maybe not. We'll see.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:50 PM (ZPrif)

664 656
It should be clear by now that neither Obama nor any of his people are fucking competent.

****

Maybe you aren't familiar with their goals.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at June 09, 2013 05:50 PM (SkyIE)

665 Very, very conflicted by this. He could very well be a PRC agent. HK is the PRC with a few symbols of freedom to fool the rubes. What is he giving away? Is it being used against Americans or is it legitimately within the charter of the NSA? If the latter, he's a foreign agent and deserves to being doing life-long solitary in a supermax.

Posted by: joncelli at June 09, 2013 05:50 PM (vh67+)

666 Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 05:48 PM (EZl54)

Just another day at the HQ.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 05:50 PM (dh83Q)

667 He said he voted 3rd party, and not for Obama. I assume that means NOT the Constitution Party, but maybe the Green Party?

Posted by: Baldy at June 09, 2013 05:50 PM (tyDFN)

668 When the day comes that you try to go to Ace of Spades or Hot Air, and they and their equivalents simply aren't there anymore

- He leaked it to the Guardian. They get all the best leaks.

Posted by: kevinw at June 09, 2013 05:51 PM (izTvW)

669 49 Booz Allen is fucked, business-wise.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:31 PM (ZPrif)


Not necessarily, I used to work with a guy whos first job was working with Christopher Boyce. His co-workers allegedly got tons of scrutiny for many years thereafter but not the company. The background investigations aren't done by the employer after all.

Posted by: Name Redacted at June 09, 2013 05:51 PM (nu+wi)

670 "Q: Do you see yourself as another Bradley Manning?

A: "Manning was a classic whistleblower. He was inspired by the public good."
----
Ironic since this guy qualifies much better as whistle-blower then Manning ever dreamed. Had Bradley been selective and specific in leaking a few things related to his supposed issues he might have qualified, but indiscriminately dumping 100k+ docs does not a Whistle-blower make.

This Snowden guy only leaked the existence (to those that didn't already know or assume this was going on) and a few docs about a program (not content from it) to show enough proof and scope to bait some in congress and the media to get interested and perhaps dig up more and debate the issue.

That said both have broken their agreements and neither will be satisfied by results in the end, or sure there will be lots of outrage most of it feigned, some of it real but in the end the data will keep flowing the NSA's way.



Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at June 09, 2013 05:51 PM (7mQyC)

671 Cruz/Gowdy 2016. Taking names, kicking asses.

Posted by: SurferDoc at June 09, 2013 05:51 PM (F+av1)

672 You guys seem REALLY confident that they would've arrested him and given him a fair trial. That seems a little optimistic for this Administration.

Posted by: sc at June 09, 2013 05:44 PM (I3sbu)

~

That's the risk you take for your conscience. Otherwise, you're a weaselly little traitor like Snowden. He lost any moral authority when he fled to China.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 05:51 PM (SzAZ7)

673 653 Anyone decipher what is on leaker's laptop? Looks like "I support [something] rights.

Posted by: NCwoof at June 09, 2013 05:48 PM (aUQgu)


"I support online rights." It's an eff.org (Electronic Frontier Foundation) bumper sticker..

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 09, 2013 05:52 PM (qyfb5)

674 Whatever this guy's issues are, seems like there was enough in the documents released - and in the administration's attempts to spin them - to make me really doubt the legitimacy of what PRISM has been used for. If nothing else, the Administration's attempt to deflect from the scope of FISA (calling "Foreign" Federal) makes me believe they have been focusing too much on domestic targets, without really having the legal authority to do so.

Short of everything this guy dumped being fabricated, I think the U.S. govt has been conducting a massive fishing expedition on innocent Americans, contra to the 4th amendment.

And I'm not even a friggin' libertarian.

This guy may be incredibly naive or a nutter of some sort (great job by us hiring him!), and I'm sure there will be a lot of attempt by the administration to paint him as such, but I don't care about that. I care that it appears Congress has been lied to and we've all been spied on, daily by our government.

Posted by: Y-not at June 09, 2013 05:52 PM (5H6zj)

675 "78
His best option was to face the music. Civil disobedience. He committed a
massive crime. Perhaps for a good cause. It's still illegal as shit to
do what he did.



Fleeing to China weakens his stance as a whistle-blower civil disobedience guy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:37 PM (ZPrif)"
No, what's "illegal as shit" is what this admin is doing and thanks to Snowden, it's now EXPOSED. Sheesh. This is GOOD news for once; just be happy.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 09, 2013 05:52 PM (KL49F)

676 499IGs, the ones whose reports get delayed for 2 years to help an election. Those IGs.Posted by: Hanoverfist at June 09, 2013 05:10 PM (HiKk0)No, the IGs who do their jobs impartially and timely, like the AMERICORPS IG who reported on Obama's buddy from Sacramento. Remember, he got fired...nevermind.

Posted by: Minuteman at June 09, 2013 05:52 PM (dSE0q)

677 If he is a lone wolf how does going to a country that will pick him up for the feds help him?
Posted by: tablet heck at June 09, 2013 05:49 PM (fH4cN)


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Have you ever been to a large Asian city. I've been to several. And from what I've seen, a person could very well drop off the map in them. So many places to become totally obscure.

Posted by: Soona at June 09, 2013 05:53 PM (9QyTp)

678 Posted by: Y-not at June 09, 2013 05:52 PM (5H6zj)

Well, we already know the telephone spying was "specifically targeting Americans", no matter what Clapper says to the contrary.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 09, 2013 05:54 PM (KL49F)

679 Now, I wonder if he realizes besides spying on their citizens, China runs them over with tanks, for political reasons? I have a hard time believing this guy is thinking properly if he thinks Hong Kong is more free than the US, or less malevolent to its citizens..

Posted by: Baldy at June 09, 2013 05:54 PM (tyDFN)

680 Again feverhead, there is no evidence he is a traitor at this point, even if he has broken the law. Sipping pina coladas in HK is not a de facto act of treason,

Posted by: tablet heck at June 09, 2013 05:54 PM (fH4cN)

681 671
Cruz/Gowdy 2016. Taking names, kicking asses.


Posted by: SurferDoc at June 09, 2013 05:51 PM (F+av1)

My dream ticket as well. Love them both.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 09, 2013 05:55 PM (baL2B)

682 He could very well be a PRC agent.

Kinda sound the same, but NSA != NASA

Posted by: Purp at June 09, 2013 05:55 PM (Dc/7h)

683 Yeah baldy, that is troubling.

Posted by: tablet heck at June 09, 2013 05:55 PM (fH4cN)

684 Yoshi
As Vic commented earlier: 30 yrs ago they would have identified Warrior Princess as a he-she and sent her packing with a BCD.

Now they can't even ask the right questions. But you can cuddle up with the lying him-her if it helps you to feel superior or politically correct or whatever.

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 05:56 PM (EZl54)

685 But he could just be kissing the posterior of the local HK government.

Posted by: tablet heck at June 09, 2013 05:56 PM (fH4cN)

686 And the inscription, "From Barack Obama." Not the people of the U. S., just Himself.

Yeah.

As if he paid for it.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 09, 2013 05:56 PM (xSegX)

687 680 Again feverhead, there is no evidence he is a traitor at this point, even if he has broken the law.

~

Released classified documents.
Fled to China.

Yeah...no evidence whatsoever.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 05:56 PM (SzAZ7)

688 That's the risk you take for your conscience. Otherwise, you're a weaselly little traitor like Snowden. He lost any moral authority when he fled to China.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 05:51 PM (SzAZ7)


-----------------------------------------------


I hope I'm not around you when the shit gets real. Otherwise I'd be afraid of you turning me over to the regime.

Posted by: Soona at June 09, 2013 05:57 PM (9QyTp)

689 NewsBreaker ‏@NewsBreaker 53s
NEW: Rep King (R-NY): "If Edward Snowden leaked the #NSA data as he claims, the United States government must prosecute him." -

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 05:57 PM (DPdf7)

690 You can't just release classified info cause you disagree with the policy.

Some low level staffer thinks nukes are bad, so it's ok if he leaked the Manhattan Project?

Some self-style martyr thinks it's bad the US is spying so they leak the Enigma Project? (That's what cracked Nasi crypto in WW2).

Whether I am glad the PRISM info got leaked or not is a separate issue of whether this guys deserves to be punished (he does) and whether he should have fled to China (he shouldn't have.)

If it turns out this guy is the super hero he claims he is then maybe he'll get a pardon or jury nullification.

I'm far from convinced he is who he says he is. We'll see.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:58 PM (ZPrif)

691 >>>Fleeing to China weakens his stance as a whistle-blower civil disobedience guy.<<<

Alternatively, Obama hasn't attempted a drone strike in China yet.

Posted by: Fritz at June 09, 2013 05:58 PM (G9Mmf)

692 a person could very well drop off the map in them. So many places to become totally obscure

A white hipster in Hong Kong would be ratted out in about 15 minutes for a $50 reward.

Posted by: Purp at June 09, 2013 05:58 PM (Dc/7h)

693 what if he has more to leak?

oh and Hi Bob at the NSA!

Posted by: Jake in ID at June 09, 2013 05:58 PM (s/TCI)

694 I mean, we aren't really debating IF this dude is unstable, are we? That's a given, as far as I'm concerned. He supported Obama and Ron Paul. QED.

Posted by: Y-not at June 09, 2013 05:58 PM (5H6zj)

695 What classified info do America's enemies have about legal us Intel programs that they didn't have before?

Posted by: tablet heck at June 09, 2013 05:58 PM (fH4cN)

696 Cruz/Gowdy 2016. Taking names, kicking asses.


Posted by: SurferDoc at June 09, 2013 05:51 PM (F+av1)

My dream ticket as well. Love them both.

***

I think I'd rather see Gowdy as Speaker.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 05:58 PM (DPdf7)

697 Sipping pina coladas in HK is not a de facto act of treason,

Posted by: tablet heck at June 09, 2013 05:54 PM (fH4cN)

~

Please leave the brutal straw men beatings to the president.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 05:59 PM (SzAZ7)

698
If you ever wondered what Holy Hell would be unleashed on our beloved republic if The Weather Underground and Black Panthers controlled every facet of the federal government, wonder no longer.

This is it.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 09, 2013 05:59 PM (ZgBZU)

699
well

if I were the Chi Coms, and I had a somewhat flakey, unstable mole, I would use him as long as I could till he wasn't needed. I would love the Navy info from the contracting job, because I am really really interested in expanding the scope of my Navy in the Pacific rim.

And when it is time to blow his cover, doing it in a semi-public way, and humiliating the United States on the world stage as competent world power, well, win-win

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 05:59 PM (nH8jP)

700 Joe, this isn't just good/bad, it legal/illegal

Posted by: tablet heck at June 09, 2013 05:59 PM (fH4cN)

701 641 Rush hardest hit.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 05:37 PM (DPdf7)

---------------------------------------


Carbonite withdrew from his show after the "slut" incident. Then begged to come back. Rush said, "nyet"!
Posted by: Soona at June 09, 2013 05:45 PM (9QyTp)


Yeah rush has a new cloud storage backup site that he is currently being a spokesman for.

Posted by: Buzzion at June 09, 2013 05:59 PM (e6VVp)

702

All I have to add to this thread is.... if the last 4 or 5 weeks have taught me anything, It's that NOTHING is as it first seems.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 09, 2013 05:59 PM (IrLKP)

703 /// Now they can't even ask the right questions. But you can cuddle up with the lying him-her if it helps you to feel superior or politically correct or whatever. ///

Or you could volunteer as a SEAL to take the his-her's place defending your freedoms. I won't be holding my breath.

Beck was able to project enough machismo to fit in with the tip of the spear. I don't think some average Navy personnel is going to sniff out what ST6 members could not.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 06:00 PM (dh83Q)

704 It's hot and humid, so I've left the screened porch, NSA. Just in case you wanted to know.

Hi! And tell Obama he sucks ass and his wife is a pig.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 06:00 PM (lVPtV)

705 He committed massive crimes and deserves the full punishment of the law. If you believe he was just then you should pressure Obama to pardon him
But the crime is clear. He has admitted the crime.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 06:00 PM (ZPrif)

706 You aren't allowed to reveal classified info just because you *really*, *really* disagree with it.



Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 03:40 PM (ZPrif)

LOL! I'm sure we "weren't allowed to" dump all the British tea into Boston Harbor, either... Tsk, tsk.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 09, 2013 06:00 PM (KL49F)

707 Maybe being in Hong Kong is disinfo?

Posted by: SurferDoc at June 09, 2013 06:01 PM (F+av1)

708 Evening all. Home and glad I have my MAC back and not the shitty brand new dell with windows I have for the Navy. A computer that actually works, wow

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 09, 2013 06:01 PM (jE38p)

709 411 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 09, 2013 04:51 PM (iwHSQ) ------ He doesn't need to give to them. They probably take it whether he wants to cooperate or not... It is CHINA after all. Sure they act modern, but they are totalitarian thugs.

Posted by: Baldy at June 09, 2013 06:01 PM (tyDFN)

710 I am drinking White Bordeaux, for your records NSA, you twits.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 09, 2013 06:01 PM (baL2B)

711 I'm waiting for the youtube video of Hollywood celebutards holding white poster board signs reading "I am Edward Snowden."

And Jane, I thought you were joking about the bench! What a narcissistic jackass!

Posted by: Lady in Black (I haven't read all the comments yet, but...) at June 09, 2013 06:01 PM (ovWeo)

712 /// Some low level staffer thinks nukes are bad, so it's ok if he leaked the Manhattan Project?

Some self-style martyr thinks it's bad the US is spying so they leak the Enigma Project? (That's what cracked Nasi crypto in WW2). ///

Both of those are foreign initiatives that were key to the war effort. PRISM is about spying on virtually every American. Way big difference.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 06:02 PM (dh83Q)

713 Oh and by the way, not matter what, this little puts should be shot and/or thrown in jail with Bradley Manning.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 09, 2013 06:02 PM (jE38p)

714 you aren't paying attention to what I'm saying Aslan's girl

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 06:02 PM (ZPrif)

715 663
If this guy is what he says he is then the best place to out himself would've been the steps of the capitol building.

Maybe he just made a really, really stupid move in involving China.

Or maybe not. We'll see.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 05:50 PM (ZPrif)

You act like a moby.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 06:02 PM (AWmfW)

716 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 05:57 PM (DPdf7)

Rep. King has been an idiot before (I think on gun-control, but can't remember exactly), so I'm not surprised by this ridiculous statement.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 09, 2013 06:03 PM (KL49F)

717

Booz Allen statement: "Booz Allen can confirm that Edward Snowden, 29, has been an employee of our firm for less than 3 months, assigned to a team in Hawaii.News reports that this individual has claimed to have leaked classified information are shocking, and if accurate, this actions represents a grave violation of the code of conduct of our firm."

Posted by: Meremortal at June 09, 2013 06:03 PM (1Y+hH)

718 This all has passed. It's OK to start trusting the government again...seriously

Posted by: Jay Carney at June 09, 2013 06:03 PM (SkyIE)

719 A white hipster in Hong Kong would be ratted out in about 15 minutes for a $50 reward.
Posted by: Purp at June 09, 2013 05:58 PM (Dc/7h)


-----------------------------------------


Not if the white hipster was giving them $100 for their silence. Remember. He was making good money.

Posted by: Soona at June 09, 2013 06:03 PM (9QyTp)

720 LOL! I'm sure we "weren't allowed to" dump all the British tea into Boston Harbor, either... Tsk, tsk.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 09, 2013 06:00 PM (KL49F)

~

Remember how those patriots all then fled to France? Yeah, neither do I.



Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 06:03 PM (SzAZ7)

721 Yoshi, you are just assuming stuff you have no way of knowing.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 06:03 PM (ZPrif)

722 If this guy is what he says he is then the best place to out himself would've been the steps of the capitol building.

Oh, yeah, the media would have been all over it!!

Posted by: t-bird at June 09, 2013 06:03 PM (FcR7P)

723 Has Peter King called for prosecution of IRS or EPA people or Eric Holder, or just the guy who blew the whistle on the NSA spying on me?

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 06:04 PM (MMC8r)

724 The Sunday evening AoSHQ circular firing squad.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 06:04 PM (lVPtV)

725 Not if the white hipster was giving them $100 for their silence.

You don't buy silence in Hong Kong, you only rent it.

Posted by: Purp at June 09, 2013 06:05 PM (Dc/7h)

726 @703


yes, yes Yoshi.
Glad you are willing to risk a country on it. It's easy to forgive and forget lying under oath when the worst doesn't happen.

QFT
if I were the Chi Coms, and I had a somewhat flakey, unstable mole, I
would use him as long as I could till he wasn't needed. I would love the
Navy info


Being a hero is not Moral Authority trump card.

ie. John McCain.

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 06:05 PM (EZl54)

727 I think I'd rather see Gowdy as Speaker.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 05:58 PM (DPdf7)

Another guy to watch is Rep. Jordan from somewhere I am too lazy to look up. I learn all this from Issa's hearings. Whoever gives 'em hell I like. I love Trey Gowdy. Love that man. I like a man who tells it like it is. I like courage. I love Sen. Cruz. I also love my husband the most, honey! if you are reading my lame history of shopping today!

I won't cover who I do not like, as the names are many and I am drinking wine and trying to forget that Hong Kong may be the safest place to be right now. Who knew?

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 09, 2013 06:05 PM (baL2B)

728 724 The Sunday evening AoSHQ circular firing squad.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 06:04 PM (lVPtV)


As opposed to the other days that end with a "y"?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 09, 2013 06:06 PM (qyfb5)

729 Not if the white hipster was giving them $100 for their silence. Remember. He was making good money.

Yeah, REALLY good money. HS dropout, Army washout (well, broken leg). Making twice as much as regular NSA employees with Ph.D.s.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 09, 2013 06:06 PM (xSegX)

730 tantrum, you're just being a jerk now and spewing insults to try to intimidate me.

And just so you know, a moby is somebody who would leave a fake comment to make the site look bad.

I'm just posting what I think. That I'm very skeptical of this dude.

Seriously, there's no halfway intelligent reason to call me a moby based off what I've written.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 06:06 PM (ZPrif)

731

OT: "Santa Monica College alleged gunman identified as John Samir Zawahri." NBC news.


Mad about Obamacare?

Posted by: Meremortal at June 09, 2013 06:07 PM (1Y+hH)

732 Waite,

Some some here are defending the massive data collection of the US citizenry?


Posted by: Jake in ID at June 09, 2013 06:07 PM (s/TCI)

733 we will know shortly if he is a ChiCom spy

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 06:07 PM (nH8jP)

734 David Axelrod, David Plouffe, Dave Gregory, George Steph, and Bob Schieffer, all are chasing Alex Jones (Infowars) to find out just WTF in the world is going on!!

Posted by: SWteven Tyler at June 09, 2013 06:08 PM (TVgrx)

735 /// yes, yes Yoshi.
Glad you are willing to risk a country on it. It's easy to forgive and forget lying under oath when the worst doesn't happen. ///

Prosecute Audie Murphy, that perjuring son of a bitch

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 06:08 PM (dh83Q)

736
"John Samir Zawahri"

Well color me fucking surprised.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 09, 2013 06:08 PM (IrLKP)

737 OT: "Santa Monica College alleged gunman identified as John Samir Zawahri." NBC news.


Mad about Obamacare?
Posted by: Meremortal at June 09, 2013 06:07 PM (1Y+hH)


"Zawahri"? Another mormon?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 09, 2013 06:08 PM (jE38p)

738 OT: "Santa Monica College alleged gunman identified as John Samir Zawahri." NBC news.

Tea Partier upset about the IRS and NSA.



Posted by: no good deed at June 09, 2013 06:08 PM (mjR67)

739 Another guy to watch is Rep. Jordan from somewhere I am too lazy to look up.

****

Jim Jordan is from Ohio and impressed me as well.

Someone else to watch, who was quite impressive during the IRS hearings, was Tom Graves of Georgia.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 06:08 PM (DPdf7)

740 Oh by the way, care to elaborate on when exactly the Navy recruiter asks you if you're a tranny?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (dh83Q)

741
The Sunday evening AoSHQ circular firing squad.

Ready! Fire! Aim!

PS to the NSA: I had a bowel movement today, swiped an extra slice of bacon at breakfast, and had three cups of coffee. Also, your boss is a jug eared fuck.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (0IhFx)

742 "Santa Monica College alleged gunman identified as John Samir Zawahri."

Ah, more workplace violence, I see.

Posted by: cool arrow at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (WMsq+)

743 Who cares if this guy is in China? Does anybody want people who use the IRS against political opponents to have access to all the conversations of those opponents?

You know, the people with a billion rounds of ammo and bulletins about those 'domestic' terrorists?

The main issue here is Democrat one-party rule. They are our biggest threat.

Maybe China had its informant spring this right now to destabilize us. The bigger problem is it is happening.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (5tpzF)

744
Secretary of State John Kerry last month secretly sent $1.3 billion in
U.S. military aid to Muslim Brotherhood-controlled Egypt, waiving the
restrictions put in place by Congress to withhold such aid unless the
country could meet certain democracy standards.
Why would Congress establish standards if Kerry can just waive them?
Shit, I got to try this.
"Hello, USBank, I'm waiving my June and July mortgage payments."

Posted by: Minuteman at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (dSE0q)

745 I love all of you. I do not love some with facial moles who priss up and down stairs. Guess, NSA, guess! dpoihy1oind4oydoa6hyiosdyhidn7rrkysdopoinoeoz97098 ^%$

Figure out that code, mon cher. It is everything. It holds the world hostage.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (baL2B)

746 we will know shortly if he is a ChiCom spy
Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 06:07 PM (nH8jP)

Spy? I doubt it. Another bradley manning clone maybe. Makes you wonder how some people get security clearances?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (jE38p)

747 OT: "Santa Monica College alleged gunman identified as John Samir Zawahri." NBC news.

I'm surprised NBC News didn't read that off as, "...alleged gunman John Sa-- And now to the weather..."

Posted by: t-bird at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (FcR7P)

748 No, some (like me) are saying laws against leaking classified info have to be applied to -- even if you are happy the info got leaked.
And some (like me) are saying this Snowden dude is a fucking idiot for involving China in his leaking because that unnecessarily complicates the US-China relationship.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 06:09 PM (ZPrif)

749 He is a Jordanian Orthodox Christian whose parents divorced, mother had a TRO against Dad, and he had mental health problems as a teen. He killed his Dad and his brother first

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 06:10 PM (nH8jP)

750 Remember how those patriots all then fled to France? Yeah, neither do I.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 06:03 PM (SzAZ7)


------------------------------------------------


They also didn't have the NSA sniffing up their rectum either.

Posted by: Soona at June 09, 2013 06:10 PM (9QyTp)

751 This guy isn't a traitor, actually. Listen to the whole thing; he's like, yeah, you see some crap. Maybe once or twice in your career. He knows untoward things are done for foreign intel. But this ... it's like in order to get open borders all people have to be treated as foreigners. Not cool.

Posted by: RiverC at June 09, 2013 06:10 PM (KTytI)

752 " Sipping pina coladas in HK is not a de facto act of treason,"
---
I agree some of the discussion here looks to be foolishly making assumptions this guy is already working with the chi-coms, yet there is no evidence yet of such. No matter if it was the best legal move to leave the country or not I can't say, but completely understand his desire to at least be at arms reach when the story broke.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at June 09, 2013 06:10 PM (7mQyC)

753 727 Jim Jordan is from Ohio.

Posted by: Mo the girl who loathes Female Liberal Hacks at June 09, 2013 06:11 PM (ehlWj)

754 You don't buy silence in Hong Kong, you only rent it.


Posted by: Purp at June 09, 2013 06:05 PM


But they know two Wongs don't make a Wright....

Really conflicted about this dude, who did something illegal as hell while exposing illegality. I'm sure Woodward would give him a pass, but I can't.

The optimal solution here is to give the little fuckstick a cell that adjoins Choom Boy's. Both of 'em are traitors, though I would go a little bit lighter on Sinclair. Maybe not the full-Monty punishment for treason, but LWOP.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 09, 2013 06:11 PM (lNAFm)

755 Snowdon, not Sinclair.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 09, 2013 06:11 PM (lNAFm)

756 #749

Another one for the prison ministry.

Posted by: RiverC at June 09, 2013 06:11 PM (KTytI)

757 China would love the PRISIM secrets, in order to more effectivly spy on their Citizens

Posted by: SWteven Tyler at June 09, 2013 06:11 PM (TVgrx)

758 OT: "Santa Monica College alleged gunman identified as John Samir Zawahri." NBC news.


Mad about Obamacare?


Shockingly, Orthodox Christian of Lebanese descent.

No, really. Hence the "John". His brother is "Christopher".

Unless he decided to get in touch with the religion of his ancestors, it just looks like a nutcase who was trying to off his father and brother because his parents were in the midst of a divorce.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 09, 2013 06:12 PM (xSegX)

759 Well Snowden could have waited around to see if he got the Wu prosecution or the Hanssen prosecution special.

But all he has to do is claim political refugee status. Saying he fears for his life if returned to the United States. Beijing has to say 'we are looking into it' and string the whole mess along for a few months. See how things play out in the US. If this administration looks totally mired in shocking revelations then Beijing can rule that Snowden's fears are justified and grant him asylum. Which would allow the PRC to assume the mantle of protecting human rights while smacking the US on a matter that the US has smacked the PRC on repeatedly. If the US still wants Snowden and thinks the PRC acted improperly, then Beijing can suggest that they take the whole matter to the UN and place it before the United Nations Human Rights Commission which is stuffed with US hating countries.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 06:12 PM (TCGmg)

760 FWIW, I expect him to die or disappear. And, frankly, I don't care what happens to him. I agree that if he saw himself as an MLK type, he would not have fled. OTOH, he is likely going to be killed or worse for this, so maybe in his wackadoodle brain he thinks he might avoid that in Hong Kong.

I do not care what happens to him.

All I care about is that when his docs were dumped, the Administration's immediate reaction was to lie. That tells me that there is something to what he dumped and that is what I care about.

Posted by: Y-not at June 09, 2013 06:12 PM (5H6zj)

761 He is a Jordanian Orthodox Christian

Makes my head throb

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 09, 2013 06:12 PM (jE38p)

762 The story about PRISM breaks the day before the summit with China. Then, when it is over, he appears in Hong Kong. Before the summit, one of things we were told they would talk about was Chinese hacking. Put all of this together, and it seems like he is a Chinese spy. What did he tell the Chinese that he's not telling us? He also said he wanted to go to Iraq in 2003, bt broke both legs in a training accident. Will Obama release his military records (if there are any)? Obama has no qualms bout breaking the law when it suits him. I question the timing.

Posted by: Baldy at June 09, 2013 06:12 PM (tyDFN)

763 This thread stinks like Michael Moore's sweaty ass.

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 06:12 PM (MMC8r)

764
"Zawahri"? Another mormon?

Nope. Lutheran.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 06:13 PM (0HooB)

765 734 It's a scary time when those in the nuthouse are actually accurate and the rest of the world is in denial.

Posted by: Mo the girl who loathes Female Liberal Hacks at June 09, 2013 06:13 PM (ehlWj)

766 thunderb: Makes sense. First from his name being "John" and not "Yahya", second from the lack of chatter from the usual-suspects.

When the Boston shit went down, we started hearing praise from Jordan's extremists and then we heard some slimy weasel words from CAIR.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 09, 2013 06:13 PM (QTHTd)

767 At this stage I don't think the Chicoms were involved. But we also know jackshit at this stage.

That wouldn't be a question at all if he hadn't fled to China.

There's no certainty of anything at this stage. All we have is a PR video the leaker made and the PR interview he gave to the Guardian.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 06:13 PM (ZPrif)

768 "Zawahri"? Another mormon?

Of the Pennsylvania Dutch Zawahiris.

Posted by: zsasz at June 09, 2013 06:14 PM (MMC8r)

769 Ahhh, the roast in the oven smells heavenly.

Does the NSA have smellovision yet?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 06:14 PM (lVPtV)

770
Mr Sticky Wicket:

Our analysis shows you need more fiber in your diet.... you actually dropped that extra slice off the edge of the plate and your dog Pongo ate it.... your actully use smaller mugs so no big deal...... and yes, we agree about our boss.

Posted by: NSA at June 09, 2013 06:15 PM (IrLKP)

771 Unless he decided to get in touch with the religion of his ancestors,

In the Syrian side of the Near East, Christianity (and Samaritanism and Judaism) is the religion of his ancestors.

Unless we're going back to Baal worship... which I suppose we can't rule out, given that he's nuts.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 09, 2013 06:16 PM (QTHTd)

772
571Did you notice all of the veiled threats Snowden dropped in his interview?

He's all like, "I had access to everything, every intelligence agency's personnel records, even the President's personal email ..."

The guy has some serious enemies. I hope he has the goods to back this up, and a plan for the people who are coming after him.

Curses!!!! {Twirls moustache} He's out-axelrodded the Axelrod!!!!{Stalks off after Flinging cape in front of face}

Posted by: Axelrod at June 09, 2013 06:16 PM (dSE0q)

773 shit status: real

Posted by: thunderb at June 09, 2013 06:16 PM (nH8jP)

774 Secondly, the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there would be real reforms, rendering disclosures unnecessary.

Yet another idiot who failed to look into the background of Barack Obama and see his corruption and absolute hatred of this country - not to mention all his radical associates -- and instead had false "hope" that he was some kind of "savior". What an absolute fool.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 09, 2013 06:16 PM (vUK/h)

775 Many on the left think Bradley Manning is a hero.
He's facing a life sentence if convicted.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 06:17 PM (ZPrif)

776 Secondly, the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there would be real reforms, rendering disclosures unnecessary.

Yet another idiot who failed to look into the background of Barack Obama and see his corruption and absolute hatred of this country - not to mention all his radical associates -- and instead had false "hope" that he was some kind of "savior". What an absolute fool.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 09, 2013 06:16 PM (vUK/h)

This

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 09, 2013 06:17 PM (jE38p)

777 Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 09, 2013 06:16 PM (QTHTd)

Point well taken.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 09, 2013 06:17 PM (xSegX)

778 Anyone decipher what is on leaker's laptop? Looks like "I support [something] rights.

http://tinyurl.com/jvggu4c

for the life of me I cannot figure out that word . . . anyone?

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 06:17 PM (8lmkt)

779 Look - If you hate the US enough to give classified information to our enemies and then flee to China then you are not a patriot, or a whistle-blower. In fact, you are exactly opposite.

If he'd sent the documents to every US Congressman, Senator, Supreme Court Justice, and the IG's for the Agencies he worked and taken his punishment inside the US. That is civil disobedience and I would call him a whistle blower.

But he didn't do that. Instead he through the information to all our enemies through foreign media the he fled to China - Even if he wasn't already working for them (which I suspect) why would he now take the information he still retains and put it nearer our Strategic Rivals?

This dude is a traitor. Don't try and church it up.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 06:17 PM (SzAZ7)

780 Many on the left think Bradley Manning is a hero.
He's facing a life sentence if convicted.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 06:17 PM (ZPrif)


Fuck him. I hope he chokes on a chicken bone

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 09, 2013 06:18 PM (jE38p)

781 I read this site "a lot" and don't comment much...but who the hell are you Flatbush Joe? I have NEVER seen your name on this site before and now you are taking over a whole thread....do tell....My vote is "secret agent man"....

Posted by: Meddler at June 09, 2013 06:18 PM (ZvqUt)

782 for the life of me I cannot figure out that word . . . anyone?
Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 06:17 PM (8lmkt)


I answered that earlier. Online. It's an Electronic Frontier Foundation bumper sticker.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 09, 2013 06:18 PM (qyfb5)

783 for the life of me I cannot figure out that word . . . anyone?

---

I support online rights

Posted by: NSA at June 09, 2013 06:18 PM (IrLKP)

784 All I care about is that when his docs were dumped, the Administration's immediate reaction was to lie. That tells me that there is something to what he dumped and that is what I care about.
Posted by: Y-not at June 09, 2013 06:12 PM (5H6zj)


Agree. And concerning him being in Hong Kong. The way hackers can manipulate computer transactions, he might be sipping rum and coke on Miami Beach.

Posted by: Soona at June 09, 2013 06:19 PM (9QyTp)

785 Hi NSA! The dog poop has been picked up (remind me why we need 2 dogs?), lawn has been mowed, and cocktail has been poured. But I guess it's the spy drone division, not the net-vacuumers, that would have logging that. Anywhoo, carry on.

Posted by: jakeman at June 09, 2013 06:19 PM (96M6e)

786 I read this site "a lot" and don't comment much...but who the hell are you Flatbush Joe? I have NEVER seen your name on this site before and now you are taking over a whole thread....do tell....My vote is "secret agent man"....

Posted by: Meddler at June 09, 2013 06:18 PM (ZvqUt)

Well I am not following that closely since I am tired and there is a Yankee game on, but Flatbush Joe has been here for a while

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 09, 2013 06:20 PM (jE38p)

787 /// If you hate the US enough to give classified information to our enemies and then flee to China ///

Oh the Guardian and the WaPo are enemies now? Ok.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 06:20 PM (dh83Q)

788 He is a Jordanian Orthodox Christian

Some of the Middle East 'Christian' religions are completely incomprehensible to me. Seriously, I don't know where to point you for info, except maybe Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 09, 2013 06:21 PM (U2UQk)

789 Ah, thanks you guys! "online rights?" sounds a little weak-sauce to me, but okay.

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 06:21 PM (8lmkt)

790 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 09, 2013 06:20 PM (jE38p)

Yeah, Joe has been here for a while. It's easy to lose people in the slush sometimes.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 06:21 PM (dh83Q)

791 My vote is "secret agent man"....

Posted by: Meddler at June 09, 2013 06:18 PM (ZvqUt)


He's a regular, you're not.

There are ways people who are paying attention can check their assumptions and not end up making glaringly and obviously false assertions.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 09, 2013 06:21 PM (qyfb5)

792 Posted by: Meddler at June 09, 2013 06:18 PM (ZvqUt)

Flatbush Joe's been here since September 2012 at least. He adds valuable perspective here.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 09, 2013 06:21 PM (QTHTd)

793 I've seen Flatbush Joe here plenty.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 09, 2013 06:22 PM (Lq5WC)

794 786....really? Until this story broke he has never been here...I know you have....but not him

Posted by: Meddler at June 09, 2013 06:22 PM (ZvqUt)

795 Flatbush Joe's been here since September 2012 at least. He adds valuable perspective here.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 09, 2013 06:21 PM (QTHTd)


But his dues are late. Someone should send him another bill

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 09, 2013 06:23 PM (jE38p)

796 @Yoshi

The Germans were in the habit of using American soldiers lies about their age as fodder for blackmail??

who knew?

Be sure to pin a medal on Straw Man Murphy. For realism.

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 06:23 PM (EZl54)

797 I've seen Flatbush many times.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 09, 2013 06:23 PM (U2UQk)

798 Yo NSA, can you please give us a transcript on all of Flatbush Joe's posts over the past few months to confirm his bonafides? Kthxbye.

Posted by: jakeman at June 09, 2013 06:25 PM (96M6e)

799 >>>786....really? Until this story broke he has never been here...I know you have....but not him

Posted by: Meddler


You are very mistaken. He posts here frequently.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 09, 2013 06:25 PM (4Mv1T)

800 Some of the Middle East 'Christian' religions are completely incomprehensible to me.

That's because they've been there for longer than the 'Christian' religions have been in Ireland and Germany. A lot longer. So they did things their way without a whole lot of input from the Popes, Martin Luther, Jean Calvin and so on.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at June 09, 2013 06:25 PM (QTHTd)

801 Teh evil google: "(hash / username) site:minx.cc"

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 09, 2013 06:25 PM (qyfb5)

802 Hi! And tell Obama he sucks ass and his wife is a pig.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 09, 2013 06:00 PM (lVPtV)

Your feelings about our dear comrades are quite clear prisoner number 5932....err, Jane D'oh of 1765 Beach Road, Savannah Georgia.

Posted by: Attack Watch OFA at June 09, 2013 06:25 PM (GgPam)

803 /// The Germans were in the habit of using American soldiers lies about their age as fodder for blackmail?? ///

As an astute student of history, you are no doubt aware that al-Qaeda is just as much in the habit of using Navy SEALs' lies about their "true sexuality" (whatever) just as much as the Germans vis-a-vis soldiers' ages.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 06:26 PM (dh83Q)

804 537

Wish I shared your optimism. Cornered animals are very, very dangerous.

In
Barky's case, I feel he'd just have that public meltdown everybody's
been waiting for. He's only aggressive when he feels he has backup.

IMO, he and his entire regime has had the rug very forcibly pulled out from under it and him.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 09, 2013 05:17 PM (0HooB)
*********They have to be wondering who and what else is out there and is this a potential floodgate for others.

Posted by: gracepmc at June 09, 2013 06:26 PM (rznx3)

805 774
Yet another idiot who failed to look into the background of Barack Obama and see his corruption and absolute hatred of this country - not to mention all his radical associates -- and instead had false "hope" that he was some kind of "savior". What an absolute fool.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at June 09, 2013 06:16 PM (vUK/h)


A lot of young people are fools. Been that way since the dawn of time. It takes learning and experience to overcome that. Some people never do, of course.

Knowing what I was like at 24, I probably would voted for Obama because he was a Marxist.

Snowden says he voted for a third party in 2008, but didn't say which. I remember some of the third party candidates I voted for when I was that young. Yeesh.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 06:26 PM (sdi6R)

806 I'm not terribly worried by anything this guy might disclose to the Chinese.

What we know is that the current administration, intentionally or through progressive delusions, is every bit as capable of doing (and probably more willing to do) as much catastrophic harm to this country as any foreign adversary.

I interpret his remarks about Hong Kong being a bastion of free speech as meaning "The Chinese will not be in any rush to turn over someone who's a tremendous embarrassment to the US govt."

Posted by: JEM at June 09, 2013 06:27 PM (o+SC1)

807 781 I read this site "a lot" and don't comment much...but who the hell are you Flatbush Joe? I have NEVER seen your name on this site before and now you are taking over a whole thread....do tell....My vote is "secret agent man"....

Posted by: Meddler at June 09, 2013 06:18 PM (ZvqUt)

~

Hey isn't suspecting everyone part of the control mechanism of a police state?

Thanks for the reminder.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 06:27 PM (SzAZ7)

808 779
Look - If you hate the US enough to give classified information to our
enemies and then flee to China then you are not a patriot, or a
whistle-blower. In fact, you are exactly opposite.



If he'd sent the documents to every US Congressman, Senator, Supreme
Court Justice, and the IG's for the Agencies he worked and taken his
punishment inside the US. That is civil disobedience and I would call
him a whistle blower.



But he didn't do that. Instead he through the information to all our
enemies through foreign media the he fled to China - Even if he wasn't
already working for them (which I suspect) why would he now take the
information he still retains and put it nearer our Strategic Rivals?



This dude is a traitor. Don't try and church it up.



Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 06:17 PM (SzAZ7)
What if the congress is in on it , only ordinary citizens are kept in the dark?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 09, 2013 06:27 PM (AWmfW)

809 Might want to lay off the furniture polish Meddler. Flatbush Joe is here all the time.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 09, 2013 06:28 PM (V1ZIU)

810 Flatbush Joe is not new and is not a troll

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 09, 2013 06:28 PM (DPdf7)

811 If he'd sent the documents to every US Congressman, Senator...

...he'd have been in a shallow grave out in the desert before the mail servers delivered the last recipient.

Posted by: Purp at June 09, 2013 06:28 PM (Dc/7h)

812 Peaches, i believe it says , "i support online rights"

i cannot see the smaller black print

Posted by: willow at June 09, 2013 06:28 PM (nqBYe)

813 Jesus. I'm just slightly disagreeing with the consensus opinion here -- what's with all the vitriol?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 06:28 PM (ZPrif)

814 Might want to lay off the furniture polish Meddler. Flatbush Joe is here all the time.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 09, 2013 06:28 PM (V1ZIU)


fuck, I jut bought a case of that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 09, 2013 06:29 PM (jE38p)

815 Just remember if Snowden was a PRC agent, then shopping him at this juncture is for Beijing's own reasons. If it forces the US to descend into internal paralysis, ala Watergate, then the PRC will start to lean on Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and the Philippines on matters it wants decided in its favor.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 06:29 PM (TCGmg)

816 Flatbush Joe has the patented Peaches seal of approval, so bugger off, Meddler, okay?

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 06:29 PM (8lmkt)

817 794 786....really? Until this story broke he has never been here...I know you have....but not him

Posted by: Meddler at June 09, 2013 06:22 PM (ZvqUt)

~

Seriously? Are you trying to be funny because you are very wrong.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 06:31 PM (SzAZ7)

818 Jesus. I'm just slightly disagreeing with the consensus opinion here -- what's with all the vitriol?

Don't worry about the crankpantses, FJ. I'm still on the fence about what all this means, but you're definitely making me think.

Posted by: jakeman at June 09, 2013 06:31 PM (96M6e)

819 Posted by: Purp at June 09, 2013 06:28 PM (Dc/7h)

A rhetorical exaggeration, of course. But it makes you wonder...

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 06:32 PM (dh83Q)

820 813 Jesus. I'm just slightly disagreeing with the consensus opinion here -- what's with all the vitriol?
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 06:28 PM (ZPrif)


Yeah, the 24-hour rule definitely applies. Or 48, or 72...

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 06:32 PM (sdi6R)

821 while i don't agree with FlatbushJoe , Because i don't have enough information at this point.

I don't trust any govt agency at this point either. So i might not be so up in arms about his fleeing than devulging information in the US.

china though is a weird choice to me.

But Joe is a regular commenter, not a troll or moby.

Posted by: willow at June 09, 2013 06:32 PM (nqBYe)

822 really? Until this story broke he has never been here...I know you have....but not him



Posted by: Meddler at June 09, 2013 06:22 PM (ZvqUt)

I have been saying prayers every night for at least the last 2 weeks for FJ's pregnant niece. How would that be possible if he did not exist here until today?

BTW, Flatbush, did that all work out okay?

Posted by: Peaches at June 09, 2013 06:33 PM (8lmkt)

823 Those who stay silent about the lawlessness of this admin are the true traitors, imo.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 09, 2013 06:34 PM (KL49F)

824 sheesh.
just like one big happy family at a holiday dinner.

50 members 50 arguments.

Posted by: willow at June 09, 2013 06:34 PM (nqBYe)

825 They have to be wondering who and what else is out there and is this a potential floodgate for others.
Posted by: gracepmc at June 09, 2013 06:26 PM (rznx3)


------------------------------------------


I really want to believe all these scandels will hurt the regime. And I do believe all of them are legit. But something inside my mind keeps telling me that the timing of this is too perfect and turning eyes away from the scandel which has the potential of wrecking the dems the most; Benghazi.

Posted by: Soona at June 09, 2013 06:34 PM (9QyTp)

826 I said back in #608 that my first impression was that this is good, but I'm not jumping to any conclusions, and I'm not arguing with anyone who disagrees.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 06:35 PM (sdi6R)

827 But willow, Presnit Fourputt told us we're supposed to trust Teh Gubmint or we're gonna have problems!

Posted by: jakeman at June 09, 2013 06:35 PM (96M6e)

828 @803

I guess it's true.

You can't fix stupid.

Hope your National Security Exemptions for Perverts parade goes well.

Be sure and wear a paper mache head.

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 06:35 PM (EZl54)

829 Willow and twice as many arses.....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 06:35 PM (TCGmg)

830 Anna Puma, twice as many asses, or buttcheeks?

Posted by: jakeman at June 09, 2013 06:36 PM (96M6e)

831 Everyone knows Flatbush Joe is brand new and Ace never posts the same thing twice.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 09, 2013 06:37 PM (Lq5WC)

832 Did someone say buttcheeks?

Posted by: Reggie Love at June 09, 2013 06:38 PM (V1ZIU)

833 nude tred, thank heavens!

Posted by: jakeman at June 09, 2013 06:38 PM (96M6e)

834 jakeman, well he is right if we Can't trust out govt, We ARE going to have problems.

so for once he spoke the truth i guess.
because I'm feeling wary of the country i have loved all my life.

I never felt like the Enemy of the country , But am told daily by the left i am now the enemy.

and they obviously have tons of senators congressman AND the President that also think so.


Posted by: willow at June 09, 2013 06:38 PM (nqBYe)

835 Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 06:35 PM (EZl54)

With all due respect, which would be none, you fucking suck at this online flamewar thing. I have a class on Tuesday nights if you're interested in fixing that.

$299.99, for a limited time offer!

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 06:38 PM (dh83Q)

836 813 Jesus. I'm just slightly disagreeing with the consensus opinion here -- what's with all the vitriol?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 06:28 PM (ZPrif)

~

Don't worry - Time will bear you out.

The end does not justify the means. Either with Snowden nor with PRISIM.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 06:38 PM (SzAZ7)

837 Posted by: Soona at June 09, 2013 06:34 PM (9QyTp)

Yep, it's a Cloward-Piven tactic. However, all these scandals will hurt the admin in the court of public opinion.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 09, 2013 06:38 PM (KL49F)

838 815
Just remember if Snowden was a PRC agent, then shopping him at this juncture is for Beijing's own reasons. If it forces the US to descend into internal paralysis

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 06:29 PM (TCGmg)


I wondered yesterday (before the China stuff) whether the NSA/PRISM news was released by the Regime to demoralize and paralyze the right. It seems to have done that.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 06:38 PM (sdi6R)

839 @835

When you have nothing, go ad hominem.

Bored.

Done.

Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 06:40 PM (EZl54)

840 i cannot see the smaller black print

Posted by: willow at June 09, 2013 06:28 PM (nqBYe)


ELECTRONIC FRONTIER FOUNDATION

(flails about)

You can find the bumper sticker by doing an image search online.

I know some people read on their phones, which is kind of like looking at the internet through a keyhole.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 09, 2013 06:40 PM (qyfb5)

841 Anna, that was a good point.

They need chaos.

still i'm unsure,

Posted by: willow at June 09, 2013 06:41 PM (nqBYe)

842 Posted by: T. Hunter at June 09, 2013 06:40 PM (EZl54)

More like when you're bored, go Perverted Paper Mache Head.

Seriously dude, where did that come from?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at June 09, 2013 06:41 PM (dh83Q)

843 813 Jesus. I'm just slightly disagreeing with the consensus opinion here -- what's with all the vitriol?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 09, 2013 06:28 PM (ZPrif)


Q: What does the left have to do to cause a schism and infighting on the right?

A: Wait.

And yet they also troll. Just to make sure.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at June 09, 2013 06:42 PM (qyfb5)

844 When dealing with spies, governments, motivations, and secrets; the truth of the matter is we may never know the real truth. Even 100 years later.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 09, 2013 06:43 PM (TCGmg)

845 823 Those who stay silent about the lawlessness of this admin are the true traitors, imo.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 09, 2013 06:34 PM (KL49F)

~

There are much better ways of ending wrongdoing then sending classified information to foreign media and fleeing to China. Just sayin'

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 06:44 PM (SzAZ7)

846 FORT HOOD, TEXAS — The paralysis-related health problems of the Army psychologist charged with carrying out the deadly attack on Fort Hood could significantly slow the pace of his upcoming court-martial, including delays for stretch breaks and fewer daily hours for testimony.

Fuck that. Let him shit in his pants of his bag and stink

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 09, 2013 06:46 PM (jE38p)

847 Leftist operative to get the attention away from turning the IRS into the NKVD.

Posted by: Not Dang Straights at June 09, 2013 06:47 PM (938Aj)

848 I wondered yesterday (before the China stuff) whether the NSA/PRISM n ews was released by the Regime to demoralize and paralyze the right. It seems to have done that.
Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 06:38 PM (sdi6R)


------------------------------------------------


It doesn't seem to be affecting us. Oh, btw, Sheryl of the NSA. You've really got some nice tits, but you work for a marxist fuckwit. I don't care how much you beg me, you're not getting my lovin'.

Posted by: Soona at June 09, 2013 06:47 PM (9QyTp)

849 You guys seem REALLY confident that they would've arrested him and given him a fair trial. That seems a little optimistic for this Administration.
Posted by: sc at June 09, 2013 05:44 PM (I3sbu)Yeah, look at what they did to a guy with a crappy youtube movie. He's still in jail and TFG went to the UN to proclaim "the future doesn't belong to those who insult the profit moohamat"

Posted by: Minuteman at June 09, 2013 06:48 PM (dSE0q)

850 Yeah, he was right to flee. I hope Iceland does take him in.

Posted by: RiverC at June 09, 2013 06:50 PM (KTytI)

851 I don't like either the scope of NSA data collection or the whistleblower.

Posted by: MTF at June 09, 2013 06:55 PM (+GpbP)

852 I have a bit of a headache, can anybody spare a couple of aspirin?

Posted by: Future Zombie Edward Snowden at June 09, 2013 06:57 PM (93bRa)

853 He took off with the china??..who does he think he is...one of the Clintons??

Posted by: Slow Joe at June 09, 2013 07:01 PM (KzTUI)

854 The threat from NRA<Snowden<EPA<IRS<NSA<Obama Regime

Posted by: Minuteman at June 09, 2013 07:07 PM (dSE0q)

855 So the NSA is spying on everyone , then why does The President and Holder claim to know nothing about all these recent scandals ?

Posted by: DrDrill at June 09, 2013 07:09 PM (L3nHO)

856 Secondly, the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there
would be real reforms, rendering disclosures unnecessary.


Boy, did he get some bogus information, or what?

Posted by: The Third Horesman Of The Apocalypse at June 09, 2013 07:21 PM (vbh31)

857 I'd be interested to hear what the moron/moronette network has to say about compare/contrast Bradley Manning vs. Snowden. I have my own opinion, but want to hear others.

Posted by: Raoul Duke at June 09, 2013 07:22 PM (/XYpc)

858 Boy, did he get some bogus information, or what?
Posted by: The Third Horesman Of The Apocalypse at June 09, 2013 07:21 PM (vbh31)

I thought he was going to dismantle our military.

Boy was I wrong! He just turned it inward!

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 09, 2013 07:23 PM (X4HxX)

859 He works for a defense contractor now? Shouldn't we at least say no contract so long as you continue to employ this goof?

Posted by: waldo at June 09, 2013 07:31 PM (araOs)

860
"The
Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those
exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed -
where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences
those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or
can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these
contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a
free people get to make only once."

2009
Judge Alex Kozinski

Posted by: Papa Ray at June 09, 2013 07:34 PM (1qBB6)

861 This story, this guy's identity and motives, has just broken. We are relying on what has been reported, which has proven time and again to often be incomplete, wrong, or misleading. I'm keeping an open mind until we know more.

Posted by: Mayday at June 09, 2013 07:41 PM (eHc+1)

862 Manning and Snowden are both gay aren't they?


Posted by: Beagle at June 09, 2013 07:42 PM (KmQ03)

863 Teh omnipresent ghey!

Posted by: Beagle at June 09, 2013 07:43 PM (KmQ03)

864 Something about this story doesn't seem right.
Here you have a guy who's education is no higher then high school
and he is able to work for the CIA,NSA?

Posted by: sig at June 09, 2013 07:47 PM (zsu/A)

865 Two Party Evil Money Cult in 100% control in Washington D.C..

Posted by: apachewhoknows at June 09, 2013 07:57 PM (dD9WL)

866 47. I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old.


This should be pursued aggressively.

Posted by: Buckethead at June 09, 2013 07:59 PM (u3N3z)

867 "I wondered yesterday (before the China stuff) whether the NSA/PRISM news
was released by the Regime to demoralize and paralyze the right. It
seems to have done that.

Posted by: rickl at June 09, 2013 06:38 PM (sdi6R)
"

Um, huh? I don't see that at. all.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 09, 2013 07:59 PM (KL49F)

868
Leave the borders wide open for 50 years, never track any overstayed visas, look the other way as Mexican drug cartel operated coyotes smuggle thousands of islamic ones of terror into the heart lands.
Now they lie that its is 11 million knowing it is 20 million and growing daily.
Bake it alla few years, tell U.S. marks who pay the tax bills that they need Billions to spy on U.S marks via our phones, computers, mail, lives.
Who the fools in this con?

Posted by: apachewhoknows at June 09, 2013 08:01 PM (dD9WL)

869 Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 09, 2013 06:44 PM (SzAZ7)

Well, he couldn't very well leak to *domestic* media, now could he? They're all in the tank for youknowwho except for Fox, and they ignore Fox...

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 09, 2013 08:01 PM (KL49F)

870 Bwuhahahaha! Damn this is some good shit! Some people thought I was stoopid for opening an account in Hong Kong. Now who do you trust less, Washington DC or Bejing?

Posted by: Dr. SpongeBob Saget is accepting tourettes patients at June 09, 2013 08:04 PM (kxSZr)

871 Speaking of useful idiots: Snowden is a Paulista!

Posted by: Rewrite! at June 09, 2013 08:10 PM (d7Px0)

872 Hey, I have a joke:

"Knock knock"

"Who's there?"

"The NSA"

"The NSA who?"

"We've secretly put you on a watch list and monitored all of your electronic communications for the past 5 years, so there's no point in pretending we're not also willing to cut your door off its hinges with a blowtorch and send you the bill, so open the God damned door right fucking now."

Get it?

It's funny because "privacy" is such an obsolete concept!

Posted by: Phinn at June 09, 2013 08:11 PM (oFH2D)

873
"He should have forced the govt to prosecute him. "

Screw that. And screw all the catechists lecturing other people on their duty to be martyrs. There are many ways to fight a tyranny. Martyrdom is one; joining the Underground is another. I know it's humiliating to admit that your country is now a place that people flee FROM instead of TO when they want to remain alive and free, but that's where things are now.Quacking about how unpleasant life is in China doesn't change how ugly life has become in America one bit, but it helps soothe people's egos a little if they can cling to their old worn out sneers about beastly foreigners.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at June 09, 2013 08:12 PM (FkH4y)

874
Some of you, just like me, have a prepayment due 6/15.
what to do.....what to do..........

Posted by: JB at June 09, 2013 08:19 PM (W5u1G)

875 Thos guy is a traitor but Bradley Manning is a hero!
The Left

Posted by: steevy at June 09, 2013 08:24 PM (9XBK2)

876 "I am Spartacus Edward Snowden."

Posted by: Salt Lick at June 09, 2013 08:40 PM (Uie2E)

877 I'm sure this is a case of "everything is exactly as it seems".


Breaks the mold it does.


Ya'll DO know the players involved here right?

Posted by: JQP at June 09, 2013 09:07 PM (HfKLk)

878 In all seriousness why are they spying on everyone, on all of us? Who is it they really want to listen in on? This goes back to politically correct we must not profile. Everyone must be frisked and fondled to take a flight at the airports but who is it they are worried about. Is it muslim terrorists? Ya think? Muslim terrorists plot to murder indiscriminately yet we must all must be spied on and treated with suspicion. It's long past time to say enough of this folks.

Posted by: Whats the point at June 09, 2013 10:46 PM (xvX5E)

879 I see a lot of comments along the lines of "did the crime do the time. Lock him up."

Question.

How likely is it that this will actually happen, given the laws he broke and the information he had access to? These aren't after-action videos. NSA intelligence are the keys of the kingdom, the crown jewels.

I remember being told by my supervisor once that NSA didn't arrest people who did this sort of thing.

So I'll just leave this as a question here for anyone who knows. It's one thing if he was afraid of going to jail. OTOH, if he was afraid of being disappeared and his story disappearing too -- that puts a different spin on his actions.

Now, he's not only public but by holding the threat of further disclosure should anything happen to him he's keeping himself alive.

This is the way I see it: *The government isn't playing by the rules anymore.* So let's not talk about "do the crime , do the time" as if this was America from the 1950s.

I'm willing to be corrected by someone who knows better. But I suspect that, as a player in the game, he knows darn well what happens to stool pigeons. And it isn't one phone call and the right to remain silent. Which is why he's in Hong Kong now instead of waiting at home to be discovered dead from suicide or drug od or whatever else.


Posted by: Brian Pendell at June 09, 2013 11:06 PM (QdcZK)

880 Didn't Homeland Sec. Call Christians and Tea partiers dangerous threats?
Posted by: Govtlies at June 09, 2013 03:55 PM (B2SVf)

You're probably thinking of this:

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

President Obama wasn't lying. The War on Terror is over; that is, the war against Islamic extremists is over. The Obama Administration will now start referring to Muslim acts of terror in the US as being caused by as-yet-unclassifiable 'youths', just as they do in Europe.

Now that the War on Terror is out of the way, they're going after the enemy that matters, the only one that poses a genuine threat to their hold on power. Think about it. Even if foreign or homegrown jihadis nuke, dirty bomb, or blanket a medium-sized city with anthrax or plague, they pose no real threat to those currently running the federal government. So who, exactly, does pose a threat to their hold on power? Who do you suppose they consider an even greater threat than Al Queda?

Do any of you really think that NSA installation in Utah is intended to identify foreign threats? With the NSA's capabilities, they'll be able to target individuals, not groups or the known leaders of those groups. Every promising Republican candidate or battleground state incumbent will have his or her life put under the NSA's own special electron microscope. Some of them will be blackmailed beforehand, forced to resign or dissuaded from running. Others, the ones who forge ahead anyway, will suddenly find private information suddenly public. Imagine what happened to Jack and Jeri Ryan (in their case the unsealing of sealed divorce proceedings) happening a thousand times, a million times, in one form or another, across the country: IRS audits, sudden OSHA inspections of their businesses costing thousands of dollars in petty fines, EPA reviews, disruptive visits from the FBI and ATF and other alphabet soup federal agencies.

We live in interesting times.

Posted by: troyriser at June 09, 2013 11:30 PM (ptcFO)

881 "I hate leaks but this maybe something so massive that the public has to
know. We've built a lot of security systems in the 11 years since
September 11, 2001 and..."

Two words: mission creep.

With the government, it's almost a given.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at June 09, 2013 11:35 PM (9+PGS)

882 Also, I agree with "Dr. Mabuse" on not having a duty to pursue martyrdom. Well said.

There are more settings on the dial than just "Government stooge" or "St. King in Birmingham Jail."

Personally I would have given the documents to a senator I trusted and let him take care of things from there. And if the senate and the IG sat on it, I'd shut up and soldier. And maybe that would mean that things would remain silent that need to be brought into the light.

Does that make me a better or worse person than Snowden? Dunno. I just know I don't have it in me to violate a classification agreement once signed. Word is my bond and all that.

Posted by: Brian Pendell at June 09, 2013 11:46 PM (QdcZK)

883 'Scariest part of this is he took off for China before the news broke. That's...bad.'
Thats smart. He's less likely to be disappeared by the government, now.

Posted by: DocMerlin at June 10, 2013 06:25 AM (8MymY)

884 Whittaker Chambers tried to alert the authorities about Alger Hiss andhe faced a lot of denial.

Posted by: SamW at June 10, 2013 07:48 AM (5qZ2a)

885 So, once again, Obamas LIES created false hope and pushed somebody over the edge.

When are we going to stop allowing ourselves to be lied to right to our faces by a known terrorist sympathizer.

Once again, thank you MSM for ignoring all of the red flags presented to you.

Posted by: Melodicmetal at June 10, 2013 09:01 AM (QY9FJ)

886 Hang the traitorous little puke, right beside Manning.

Posted by: and irresolute at June 10, 2013 01:07 PM (DBH1h)






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