Professor of International Security: "Privacy is effectively a 20th century concept like the steam engine."

Steam engines never spied on anyone though.

...Richard Aldrich, a professor of international security at the University of Warwick, said he expected Mr Cameron to say "rather as President Obama has said, that you can't have your cake and eat it - you can't have 100% privacy and 100% security".

"What they're not going to say is, actually, we're very rapidly accelerating to a point where we're going to be in a transparent society," he told Today.

"Privacy is effectively a 20th century concept like the steam engine."...

Well, the 100% security part is patently BS and unattainable... particularly when the threats from the state start exceeding internal and external ones. If the value proposition of such a tradeoff becomes suspect, as it seems to have done, maybe its time to put down the crack pipe of impossible goals and back away from the table, eh?

Ostracize/weaponize/polymerize/tenderize the thread

Posted by: Purp at 11:51 AM



Comments

1 First?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 08, 2013 11:53 AM (wR+pz)

2 When have they delivered 100% security?

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 11:54 AM (MMC8r)

3 Given their recent track record, I'd take 50% security in situations where any idiot could see someone is a jihadi.

Posted by: Beagle at June 08, 2013 11:54 AM (sOtz/)

4
Richard Aldrich, professor of IngSoc

toldyaso

Posted by: Eriuc Blsair at June 08, 2013 11:54 AM (tWw6M)

5 If you like your privacy, you can keep it.

Posted by: TFG at June 08, 2013 11:55 AM (uhKPD)

6 And, perfesser, steam engines are an 18th century concept, you viscous twatwaffle.

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 11:55 AM (MMC8r)

7 We can not have 100% security. We can stop fucking around and wasting money.

Terrorism is a religious war. Muslims are the enemy.

There is no way around that. You must convert or be killed.

No other religion has that as a tenet of their religion, EXCEPT Mohammedans.

This has been going on for 2,000 years, why pray tell does ANYONE think it will stop?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 08, 2013 11:56 AM (wR+pz)

8

Posted by: at June 08, 2013 11:56 AM (X6akg)

9 Greg Bear has some nice scifi books about a near-future society where there is no privacy at all.

As a result there is no crime. Street gangs fight each other with sarcasm.

Posted by: eman at June 08, 2013 11:56 AM (cQ4xo)

10 All your privacy are belong to us.

Posted by: Barry's Boys at June 08, 2013 11:56 AM (1hekh)

11
No linky.

Posted by: Beagle at June 08, 2013 11:56 AM (sOtz/)

12 Another sock off fail....



Say, NSA guys....can you fix that?

Posted by: Tami at June 08, 2013 11:56 AM (X6akg)

13 transparency like Wikileaks ?

Posted by: occam at June 08, 2013 11:56 AM (DAHhf)

14 We're putting so much faith in this technology that, should they decide to do so, the Amish will take us down overnight and we'll never see them coming.

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 11:57 AM (MMC8r)

15 Amazing to see stories and columns in the NYT, Boston Globe and Washington Post, saying, "Eh, no problem, The Lightgiver is just being pragmatic, nothing to worry about, it's been going on for years, now go back to sleep."

Holy Christ on a crutch, if this had happened during the Bush Administration, MSNBC and the rest would be in full meltdown, spittle-flecking mode, with articles of impeachment being drafted so fast the ink would still be wet when it was passed around.

Posted by: GuyfromNH at June 08, 2013 11:57 AM (kbOju)

16 Is all this supposedly due to 9/11? have they really stopped anyone since using PRISM? There have been countless attacks and/or attempts since then. NOT ONE has been stopped by PRISM, if Ben Smith is correct. Not one. Don't you think they could have found Major Hassan? Didn't he have contact with a known terrorist overseas? They couldn't find him or the Boston bombers either. What about the underwear bomber, or the Times Square bomber?

Posted by: Baldy at June 08, 2013 11:59 AM (tyDFN)

17
"I
believe the government should be allowed to view my e-mails, tap my

phone calls, and view my web history for national security concerns. CMV"
http://tinyurl.com/lr5zh9v

Fascinating comment on this thread at reddit, scroll down to comment
161719

Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 11:59 AM (/b8+5)

18 This has been going on for 2,000 years, why pray tell does ANYONE think it will stop?





Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 08, 2013 11:56 AM (wR+pz)

Can't we just give everyone a trophy? Isn't that supposed to make everyone feel good about themselves? Maybe they need a few anti-bullying posters.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 08, 2013 11:59 AM (1hekh)

19 15
Amazing to see stories and columns in the NYT, Boston Globe and
Washington Post, saying, "Eh, no problem, The Lightgiver is just being
pragmatic, nothing to worry about, it's been going on for years, now go
back to sleep."



Holy Christ on a crutch, if this had happened during the Bush
Administration, MSNBC and the rest would be in full meltdown,
spittle-flecking mode, with articles of impeachment being drafted so
fast the ink would still be wet when it was passed around.

Posted by: GuyfromNH at June 08, 2013 11:57 AM (kbOju)

To a much lesser extent, it did happened during the Bush administration and they WERE in full meltdown.
Obama doing to a much, much wider extent?.....crickets.

Posted by: Tami at June 08, 2013 12:00 PM (X6akg)

20 Relax, all you wimmenz. NSA is ignoring anything having to do with abortions you may or may not have had, thus preserving Constitutional penumbras.

Posted by: Bigby's Baby Burping Hands at June 08, 2013 12:00 PM (RLTt1)

21 Yea, if its so good, how come all these amateurs keep slipping tween the cracks?

Posted by: Purp at June 08, 2013 12:00 PM (CIZja)

22 In the struggle for power, truth and falsehood are arrows in the same quiver.

Posted by: eman at June 08, 2013 12:00 PM (cQ4xo)

23 cat piss

open a window

Posted by: eman at June 08, 2013 12:01 PM (cQ4xo)

24
Why all the data collecting to protect us if there is no terrorist threat? This administration talks out of two sides of its mouth.
Here's a novel thought - How about we go back to what is less expensive and more effective - PROFILING?

Posted by: Liberty Lover at June 08, 2013 12:02 PM (2DgBs)

25 Forget the NSA for a moment. Haven't all of the actual terrorists (not the FBI frame jobs) been stopped by either civilians or local or state employees? Have the Feds stopped anyone, excluding the stings they pull?

Posted by: Baldy at June 08, 2013 12:03 PM (tyDFN)

26 The only part of the Constitution that remains sacred is the articles granting our rulers power.

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 12:03 PM (MMC8r)

27 How about we set up cameras and microphones in every Federal office, vehicle, etc. and anyone can see and hear all, 24/7.

Posted by: eman at June 08, 2013 12:03 PM (cQ4xo)

28 How many have the TSA captured?

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 12:04 PM (MMC8r)

29 Have the Feds stopped anyone, excluding the stings they pull?


Only if they are forced to go outside for a smoke.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 08, 2013 12:04 PM (cK0tU)

30 And, of course, via HotGas, the tech companies who for swearsies, seriously, you guys, had nothing to do with PRISM, cooperated with PRISM.

Posted by: Boone at June 08, 2013 12:05 PM (tIyK2)

31 I just got a call from an NSA agent. I'm not in trouble or anything. They just want me to come by a local office so they can stage an intervention. Apparently they're alarmed by my porn intake and are concerned for my well being.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 08, 2013 12:05 PM (V1ZIU)

32 I read at another site...

"I’ve come to learn that liberal means I do what I want and I also get to tell you what’s good for you."

Posted by: Bruce at June 08, 2013 12:06 PM (03PhX)

33 How many have the TSA captured?
Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 12:04 PM (MMC8r)

No hot babe gets on a plane without being felt up.

For you safety, of course.

Posted by: eman at June 08, 2013 12:06 PM (cQ4xo)

34 In the Soviet Union, you could have 100% security and 100% privacy ... if you were a member of the .005%

For the rest ... TRANSPARENCY AND YOU'LL LIKE IT!

Posted by: mrp at June 08, 2013 12:06 PM (HjPtV)

35 Yea, if its so good, how come all these amateurs keep slipping tween the cracks?Posted by: Purp at June 08, 2013 12:00 PM (CIZja)

Because we're not survelling enough wingnut. Government needs more money to protect you.
(On that note, I love the Progs trying to claim "Government Overreach" while also going "Universal Healthcare!" Because these are in no way related I guess.)

Posted by: tsrblke at June 08, 2013 12:06 PM (GaqMa)

36 Like everything else, this has NOTHING to do with security. It has everything to do with government control.

Someone posted a link to Reddit in the open thread and it is worth looking at as it's own post.



Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 12:07 PM (+98Gb)

37 Is part of the requirement of being hired onto a faculty that you already talk out of your ass, or do they provide training after they teach you the secret handshake and excise your soul?

Also, do universities get a group discount on strawmen?

Posted by: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth at June 08, 2013 12:07 PM (Hsgnv)

38 "Privacy is effectively a 20th century concept like the steam engine."...

Well, a fair point. I mean, so were honesty, integrity, respect, civil behavior..., stuff like that. Outmoded concepts..., let's just quit talking about them. Oh, and while we are at it, That crap about government being a servant, and the citizens being the master, well, that's just wingnut craziness.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 12:08 PM (aDwsi)

39 28 How many have the TSA captured?
Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 12:04 PM (MMC8r)


Mostly the scrotums of young boys and the colostomy bags of the elderly.

10 out of 10 for the TSA. Viva Government Unions!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 12:08 PM (+98Gb)

40 can't get 100% security. Well I think it's interesting when those in charge of security Let Hassan continue in His capacity even though it was obvious to those around Him he was a danger.
When you ignore the obvious Like Hassan, Or tsanarv brothers,

even the shooting of babies at the school shooting,

were any of those caught before loss of life and security?

How did monitoring every american , save those that died ?

Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 12:08 PM (nqBYe)

41 I'd be curious as to how all the shrieking pro-infanticide, abortion, choice, privacy harpies rationalize this.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at June 08, 2013 12:08 PM (nO18H)

42 This is a scam, it is not about security of Us!

Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 12:09 PM (nqBYe)

43 Privacy is Danger,

Openness Is Strength.

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 12:09 PM (MMC8r)

44 9 ... Street gangs fight each other with sarcasm.

Posted by: eman at June 08, 2013 11:56 AM (cQ4xo)


You mean like the Pirhana Brothers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64aVHzoSdaI

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 12:10 PM (+98Gb)

45 Can't we just give everyone a trophy? Isn't that supposed to make everyone feel good about themselves? Maybe they need a few anti-bullying posters.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 08, 2013 11:59 AM (1hekh)


How about a bacon cheese burger with fries?

JJ you finished that pizza mighty quickly.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 08, 2013 12:11 PM (wR+pz)

46 what do they call the use of govt employed subversives to Harm the american people?

Where was security when they were directly sending information to Hostile groups?

security?
What is secure about govt turning citizens against other citizens?

Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 12:12 PM (nqBYe)

47 45 JJ you finished that pizza mighty quickly.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 08, 2013 12:11 PM (wR+pz)


The dough is rising. Gotta go to the market for some fresh basil.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 12:12 PM (+98Gb)

48 How about we set up cameras and microphones in every Federal office, vehicle, etc. and anyone can see and hear all, 24/7.





Posted by: eman
-----------------

Sounds reasonable. There is no reason that we should not monitor our servants, since the managers that we have hired are clearly either inept, corrupt, or some combination.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 12:13 PM (aDwsi)

49 "Connecting the Dots: A Timeline of NSA’s Spying"
http://tinyurl.com/kgwrzd2
Last night Savage told his listening audience that two Israeli software companies provided the software for this program.

Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 12:14 PM (/b8+5)

50 Yes, they're doing such a bang-up job of protecting me and my fellow citizens that, - here, take some more of my tax dollars. Seriously, you've earned it.

Posted by: Fritz at June 08, 2013 12:15 PM (G9Mmf)

51 so why can't privacy be a 21st century concept like high speed trains and windmills? I expect Joe Biden to have an answer for that, and I bet he will as soon as he finishes his peanut butter and library paste sandwich.

Posted by: mallfly at June 08, 2013 12:15 PM (bJm7W)

52 we're very rapidly accelerating to a point where we're going to be in a transparent society

And yet somehow El JEFe's grades are still sealed.

Transparency for thee, but not for me.

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 08, 2013 12:15 PM (SidWf)

53 Steam engines are not a 20th century concept.

Why are we listening to this dementia-affected man? Did he prepare his remarks or just write them e.e.cummings style on the side of a bar napkin and scan them for O.C.R.?

Posted by: RiverC at June 08, 2013 12:15 PM (KTytI)

54 49 Last night Savage told his listening audience that two Israeli software companies provided the software for this program.
Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 12:14 PM (/b8+5)


I would assume the Israeli firms did not believe, nor were told, it was for the US govt. to spy on its own citizenry.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 12:16 PM (+98Gb)

55 Sucker of the Bilderberg cock.

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 08, 2013 12:17 PM (Cs2tJ)

56 This is actually true. "Privacy" is a modern notion. It didn't exist before a couple hundred years ago. That's why "privacy" isn't mentioned in the US Constitution. The idea was only just getting started back then.

But spying on everyone all the time is inherently wrong, regardless of "privacy".

Posted by: Ben at June 08, 2013 12:17 PM (e/V6S)

57
I may as well just do what the gubmint does and start declaring my own rights.


Here's the first one: I have a right to privacy.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 08, 2013 12:17 PM (0HooB)

58 48 How about we set up cameras and microphones in every Federal office, vehicle, etc. and anyone can see and hear all, 24/7.

I can go to the local zoo and see more interesting stuff.

Seriously, though. When they are ready to openly profile the threats without PC filters, then we can start the security discussion. Until then, this is a phony debate.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 08, 2013 12:18 PM (n8LUb)

59 Your words are hurtful.


We will not be coming to the pancake social.

Posted by: NSA at June 08, 2013 12:18 PM (fsLdt)

60 what about 95 percent of each? How about 95 percent of one and 90 percent of the other? Can we we have that much, Mr Professor Allwet of Warwinkle? Maybe the smartest President in History can stop playing 12-dimensional tiddly-winks long enough to figure it out for the rest of us.

Posted by: mallfly at June 08, 2013 12:18 PM (bJm7W)

61 I just about fell out of my chair at the breakfast table this morning... there was a scathing political cartoon in my local librag, mocking Obama as Big Brother, and with a really demonic face.


Why do I think somebody is gonna lose their job over that?


And slightly OT: don't be dumb like me and wait until middle age to read C. S. Lewis' space trilogy: Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra, and That Hideous Strength (which is the best, and very anti-"progressive" - the term he uses).

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 08, 2013 12:18 PM (qIFL7)

62 We were profiling the "threats" and you got all upset over it.

Posted by: The IRS at June 08, 2013 12:19 PM (CIZja)

63 Steam engines are not a 20th century concept.

hah good catch


Dumbass

Posted by: eleven at June 08, 2013 12:20 PM (fsLdt)

64 On the bright side, I'm glad I'm not a hot chick, 'cause ladies, you're shit is being passed around the NSA databanks like an underage Honduran sex-worker at a Democrat fund-raiser.

Posted by: Fritz at June 08, 2013 12:20 PM (G9Mmf)

65 Weaponize the thread?
As in weapons grade stupid?

Gerg, oh gerg..... Red courtesy phone pls

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 08, 2013 12:21 PM (dqux0)

66 The Obama administration has kept the worst parts of the Bush era and have welded it to full on love of more government and and fawning press.

What can possibly go fucking wrong?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 12:21 PM (SzAZ7)

67 Ray Van Dune



Yes -- those books are the awesome.


They still hold up to this day somehow.

Posted by: eleven at June 08, 2013 12:21 PM (fsLdt)

68 Fritz, yikes!

now i am considering moving computers and cable out of any bedroom in the house.

Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 12:22 PM (nqBYe)

69
This administration seems to be a giant game of Calvinball.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 08, 2013 12:22 PM (0HooB)

70 Aren't nuclear power plants just evolved giant steam engines?

Oh, wait, those are outlawed here, too.

But wait a minute. Nuclear power plants didn't die out like horse drawn carriages. Buggies and carriages were replaced by cars.

Oh, wait, those are being outlawed here, too.

So, does this mean that liberty being outlawed here too? I gotta check into that.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at June 08, 2013 12:22 PM (6W8+8)

71 fuck safety .
I want liberty !!

Posted by: awkward davies at June 08, 2013 12:23 PM (WK8VM)

72 "Privacy is a 20th century concept..."

invented by a couple of judges because a woman wanted to terminate a pregnancy.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 08, 2013 12:24 PM (jbyqm)

73 Polisher of the Soros phallus.

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 08, 2013 12:24 PM (Cs2tJ)

74 He's 100 percent full of shit. Our understanding and application of the Forth Amendment are informed by, among other things, centuries-old common law concepts of privacy.

Posted by: Vermin at June 08, 2013 12:24 PM (YxgZq)

75 The government still gets to have privacy, though, right?

Privacy from us?

Like guns, I want the same (or better) rights as the government has power.

Posted by: Phinn at June 08, 2013 12:25 PM (MEljC)

76 Posted by: Ben at June 08, 2013 12:17 PM (e/V6S)

~

Privacy is inherent in property rights.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 12:25 PM (SzAZ7)

77 71 fuck safety .
I want liberty !!
Posted by: awkward davies at June 08, 2013 12:23 PM (WK8VM)

AMEN!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 08, 2013 12:26 PM (8JJ6O)

78 back out to trun over soil in a new veggies patch.

1 last thing.
to nsa, irs, govt agencies , you've truly broken my heart.
I spent years admiring the fact that We were better, wiser, than anywhere in the world!

that people came here because we were a decent and Free country where we all had a chance to make it in life!

thanks for blowing my mind.

Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 12:26 PM (nqBYe)

79 Aren't Nuke plants basically big steam engines/generators?

Posted by: Mekan at June 08, 2013 12:27 PM (zG16+)

80 In English criminal law. The offense of listening under walls orwindows, or the eaves of a house, to hearken after discourse, and thereupon to frameslanderous and mischievous tales. 4 Bl. Comm. 168. It is a misdemeanor at commonlaw, indictable at sessions, and punishable by fine and finding sureties for good behavior.Id.; Steph. Crim. Law, 109. See State v. Pennington, 3 Head (Tenn.) 300, 75Am. Dec. 771; Com. v. Lovett 4 Clark (Pa.) 5; Selden v. State, 74 Wis. 271, 42 N. W.218, 17 Am. St. Rep. 144.

http://thelawdictionary.org/eavesdropping/

Posted by: Vermin at June 08, 2013 12:27 PM (YxgZq)

81 Do libs really want to go down this path? Their sacred "right" to abortion is predicated on the notion of privacy being stretched to it's absolute limit. If I don't even have the right to privacy when sending a picture to my husband, I sure as hell don't have it when I want to kill my child.

Posted by: Lauren at June 08, 2013 12:28 PM (wsGWu)

82 Maybe Issa should just ask the NSA who is responsible for the IRS scandel. It would seem to be a national security issue. This would save a ton of tax dollars being used for to hold hearings.

Posted by: PRISM knows all at June 08, 2013 12:28 PM (VPiZq)

83 77. So how was Maui?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 08, 2013 12:29 PM (BKR67)

84
Rather than spying on text messages or US soldier phone sex from Iraq, the security services could note when someone changes his name to Mujahid or Mujaheed.

They are 0-2 on those guys, so far, that I am aware of.

Three dead, so far, that I am aware of as a result.

Posted by: Beagle at June 08, 2013 12:29 PM (sOtz/)

85 79 Aren't Nuke plants basically big steam engines/generators?


Yep, reactors simply heat the water to run steam turbines.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 08, 2013 12:29 PM (wR+pz)

86 82 Maybe Issa should just ask the NSA who is responsible for the IRS scandel. It would seem to be a national security issue. This would save a ton of tax dollars being used for to hold hearings.

Posted by: PRISM knows all at June 08, 2013 12:28 PM (VPiZq)

~

This!

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 12:30 PM (SzAZ7)

87
Is it time to finally admit the muzzies won the war on terror? I mean, it was declared to be over by TFG, wasn't it?

And we lost our freedom, didn't we?

And they're still blowing up Americans, aren't they?

And the gubmint won't do the easy, cheap, and effective thing: profiling?

We're fucked.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 08, 2013 12:30 PM (0HooB)

88 Privacy isn't possible with the government getting your medical records, as well.

Of course, Prof. Limpdick is also British, and they are, unfortunately, predisposed to the loss of freedom in the name of benefits. not to mention he's a British academic, a class of people which have long been mapping out the road to serfdom.

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 12:31 PM (MMC8r)

89
In sciency news, research suggests that in 10,000 years all humans will develop huge foreheads, flared nostrils and bulging eyes but still have no tolerance for hecklers.

Posted by: News Correspondent in a Plaid Jacket at June 08, 2013 12:31 PM (Ks4nX)

90 As the so-called "Right to Privacy" is the cornerstone that Roe v. Wade was built upon....

I'm actively encouraging lefties to shout this folly from the rooftops.

Posted by: Luke at June 08, 2013 12:31 PM (dN1LN)

91 I understand it in Great Britain, where there has never been an expectation of privacy. In our country, our Constitution is supposed to protect us from the prying eyes and hands of government.
Personally, I'm shocked at the statists in our Congress who, apparently, went along with this gross violation of the 4th Amendment.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at June 08, 2013 12:32 PM (EdNLk)

92 Every large database will eventually be used for nefarious purposes, whether by merchandisers or terrorists. OR THE GOVT THAT CREATED IT.

How hard is it for people to figure that out?

Posted by: dfbaskwill at June 08, 2013 12:33 PM (ndlFj)

93 I love the way this over-educated fool jumps out the gate with "the appeal to authority"-- Ř-vomit himself.

Posted by: I'm lighting my torch now... at June 08, 2013 12:33 PM (ULH4o)

94 Personally, I'm shocked at the statists in our
Congress who, apparently, went along with this gross violation of the
4th Amendment.


Posted by: MCPO Airdale at June 08, 2013 12:32 PM (EdNLk)

The majority of Republican's supported this.

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 08, 2013 12:34 PM (Cs2tJ)

95 In sciency news, research suggests that in 10,000
years all humans will develop huge foreheads, flared nostrils and
bulging eyes but still have no tolerance for hecklers.

Posted by: News Correspondent in a Plaid Jacket at June 08, 2013 12:31 PM (Ks4nX)


Thats fucking funny.

Posted by: Berserker at June 08, 2013 12:34 PM (FMbng)

96 Well...research.

There you go.

Posted by: eleven at June 08, 2013 12:34 PM (fsLdt)

97 14 We're putting so much faith in this technology that, should they decide to do so, the Amish will take us down overnight and we'll never see them coming.
Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 11:57 AM (MMC8r)

NO ONE expects the Amish Inquisition!

Posted by: Cardinal Hans at June 08, 2013 12:35 PM (fH4cN)

98 16
Is all this supposedly due to 9/11? have they really stopped anyone
since using PRISM? There have been countless attacks and/or attempts
since then. NOT ONE has been stopped by PRISM, if Ben Smith is correct.
Not one. Don't you think they could have found Major Hassan? Didn't he
have contact with a known terrorist overseas? They couldn't find him or
the Boston bombers either. What about the underwear bomber, or the Times
Square bomber?


Ass, meet two hands on a bright sunny day. Can't find that either.


But somehow they're able to find all the Tea Party and Good Government group 501c4 applications.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 08, 2013 12:35 PM (+XVQe)

99 The steam engine is used to power the vast majority of electrical generation in the world including: coal-fired power plants, geothermal power plants, nuclear power plants, natural gas power plants, and more. There is no trend indicating that this will change. The steam engine (or steam turbine) is carbon-neutral, which should make the libs happy.

Posted by: Onlooker at June 08, 2013 12:36 PM (lw5+8)

100 If we are going to be a "transparent" society, this then means "no shadows".

Which means I could pretty much make sure only lawful residents worked in this country if I truly wanted to. Which then means I need offer nothing for amnesty, since the problem will take care of itself via self-deportation.

It is the unwillingness to enforce law against illegally resident Hispanics, while subjecting everyone to the third degree, that is the problem, and nothing else.

Posted by: T. at June 08, 2013 12:36 PM (DncGb)

101 "Of Course you are my bright little star! I've miles and miles of pretty files on you and your forefathers fruit, and now to suit our Great computer..you are magnetic ink!"

A moody Blues quote (from a song called" In the Beginning"). They were always a bit too sanguine for my taste, but I have to admit, with the current administration it seems to be the song of the month!



Posted by: Cartman's _Evil_Twin at June 08, 2013 12:37 PM (CJvKm)

102 86 82 Maybe Issa should just ask the NSA who is responsible for the IRS scandel. It would seem to be a national security issue. This would save a ton of tax dollars being used for to hold hearings.

Posted by: PRISM knows all at June 08, 2013 12:28 PM (VPiZq)

~

Seriously, this is brilliant. If Issa wrote a formal letter to NSA asking for them to release the call patterns from the IRS - Liberal brains would be torn asunder.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 12:37 PM (SzAZ7)

103 Amish Inquisition -- too much shoo-fly pie.





Posted by: eleven at June 08, 2013 12:37 PM (fsLdt)

104 navyjoe

it was fantastic! we all had a blast....weather was perfect, beach was perfect...road to Hana was outstanding....our guide was a native of Hana so everyone we saw on the road was a "cousin" he even took us by his old home that his nephew and family currently live in....

my sister and her family are currently staying at some new resort on Oahu.....the one next door to the new disney one

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 08, 2013 12:38 PM (8JJ6O)

105 Are longbows effective against steam engines?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 12:38 PM (SzAZ7)

106 feverhead

dynamite

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 08, 2013 12:41 PM (8JJ6O)

107 103 Amish Inquisition -- too much shoo-fly pie.
Posted by: eleven at June 08, 2013 12:37 PM (fsLdt)

Insolent Blasphemer! Lord Ziggenfus, fetch the authentic handmade efficient wood-burning stove!

Posted by: Cardinal Hans at June 08, 2013 12:41 PM (fH4cN)

108 Now we know what he meant by The Most Transparent Administration Ever.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 08, 2013 12:42 PM (Lq5WC)

109 Seriously, this is brilliant. If Issa wrote a formal letter to NSA asking for them to release the call patterns from the IRS - Liberal brains would be torn asunder.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 12:37 PM (SzAZ7)

It was a just an off the cuff comment, because the whole thing pisses me off so much. I seriously doubt he would have the authority to ask for and be able to get the info.

Posted by: PRISM knows all at June 08, 2013 12:43 PM (VPiZq)

110 Nice how the government is strong enough to spy on every citizen, yet supposedly incapable of even slowing the flow of illegals into the country.

Their priorities are showing.

Posted by: Jack Nine at June 08, 2013 12:43 PM (zZahl)

111 Rush Limbaugh: Obama Administration Is Leading a ‘Coup d’Etat’ to ‘Take Over This Country’http://tinyurl.com/kwujso7

Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 12:44 PM (/b8+5)

112 104. That would be the Marriott iliani or the koolina resort
If they take a cab and the driver has handcuffs on the rear view mirror and is stupid sexy for a human....that's me

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 08, 2013 12:44 PM (PwTLl)

113 And regarding Mr. Aldrich's "transparent future" more generally:

I have a funny feeling it will be one where the government will always be able to backtrack which citizen mailed or said what where, but in cases of government malfeasance, who told hierarchically organized government workers to act in a certain way will be forever impossible to determine.

Posted by: T. at June 08, 2013 12:45 PM (DncGb)

114 110. Let me up that up a notch

They think they can find 300 million guns but not 10 million illegals

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 08, 2013 12:46 PM (PwTLl)

115 If I don't even have the right to privacy when sending a picture to my husband, I sure as hell don't have it when I want to kill my child.

No, no, the only consistent thing in modern liberalism is a complete lack of consistency. Don't worry about consistency. Remember, it's a tax when they want it to be, and not when it's not.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 08, 2013 12:47 PM (Lq5WC)

116 Obamunism is effectively a twentieth century concept like Nazism.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 12:47 PM (H3+iu)

117 Wasn't Roe v. Wade a privacy issue?

Posted by: baldilocks at June 08, 2013 12:47 PM (Su0W2)

118 It was a just an off the cuff comment, because the whole thing pisses me off so much. I seriously doubt he would have the authority to ask for and be able to get the info.

Posted by: PRISM knows all at June 08, 2013 12:43 PM (VPiZq)

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Nor, in my opinion, should he. However, asking would highlight highlight exactly how these two scandals are intertwined to be dangerous to our freedom.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 12:47 PM (SzAZ7)

119 Actually, the steam engine is an 18th Century concept. Which coincidently is when the Constitution was drafted and the Bill of Rights adopted.

Posted by: Evil Blogger Lady at June 08, 2013 12:48 PM (UYjru)

120 As the dissatisfaction with the U.S. education system among parents grows, so does the appeal of homeschooling. Since 1999, the number of children who are being homeschooled has increased by 75%. Although currently only 4% of all school children nationwide are educated at home, the number of primary school kids whose parents choose to forgo traditional education is growing seven times faster than the number of kids enrolling in K-12 every year.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 08, 2013 12:49 PM (yDpav)

121 90 As the so-called "Right to Privacy" is the cornerstone that Roe v. Wade was built upon....

I'm actively encouraging lefties to shout this folly from the rooftops.
Posted by: Luke at June 08, 2013 12:31 PM (dN1LN)

Glad to see that someone beat me to this observation.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 08, 2013 12:49 PM (Su0W2)

122 So privacy is fine if you are fucking or when you want to kill an unwanted baby produced by all that fucking, but when it comes to anything else...meh?

Posted by: Evil Blogger Lady at June 08, 2013 12:49 PM (UYjru)

123 Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 12:25 PM (SzAZ7)

Some fraction of what is now called "privacy" is inherent in property rights. Some other fraction is part of long established common law.

But the modern notion of "privacy", and the "right" to "privacy", have gone far, far beyond that.

You don't need "privacy" to keep the government from reading your letters. You just need to prohibit them from reading your letters.

Posted by: Ben at June 08, 2013 12:49 PM (e/V6S)

124 110 Nice how the government is strong enough to spy on every citizen, yet supposedly incapable of even slowing the flow of illegals into the country.
Posted by: Jack Nine at June 08, 2013 12:43 PM (zZahl)

Immigrants? They are claiming they can't tell if the Director of the IRS actually was at the White House when the book that tracks that sort of thing says it does, or if the William Ayers that lives next to the President in Chicago and helped kick off his political career was there as opposed to some other dude. But this NSA stuff is a cinch, right?

Posted by: Cardinal Hans at June 08, 2013 12:49 PM (fH4cN)

125 Miss me yet?

Posted by: Josef Stalin at June 08, 2013 12:50 PM (AWmfW)

126 I'll raise you an actually.

The Greeks knew how to make rudimentary steam engines.

They were little more than toys... but still.

Posted by: eleven at June 08, 2013 12:51 PM (fsLdt)

127 They claim that Republicans want to be in your bedroom, but libs want to be in EVERY room.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 08, 2013 12:51 PM (Lq5WC)

128 expensive and more effective - PROFILING?

***

If I were only slight more paranoid, I'd think the whole profiling prohibition was intended to allow surveillance of everyone.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 12:51 PM (H3+iu)

129 82 Maybe Issa should just ask the NSA who is responsible for the IRS scandel. It would seem to be a national security issue. This would save a ton of tax dollars being used for to hold hearings.

Posted by: PRISM knows all ............Awesome Idea!!

Posted by: t-dubyah-d at June 08, 2013 12:52 PM (u6lBN)

130 ironically, the only recent terrorist STOP the FBI has happens to be bunch of leftists attempting to blow up a major interstate bridge in Cleveland. Occupy Cleveland got stung and half a dozen idiotsgot caught tryingto blow the bridge with fake explosives supplied by the Feebs.
Home grown non islamo terrorist act
National Media ---- crickets . . . . (not right wingers of course)

Posted by: a creeping sense of remorse at June 08, 2013 12:52 PM (NGsLN)

131 Nor, in my opinion, should he. However, asking would highlight highlight exactly how these two scandals are intertwined to be dangerous to our freedom.
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 12:47 PM (SzAZ7)

This would need to be done in a way that the MSM would decide to report it. Whats the likelyhood of that happening?

Posted by: PRISM knows all at June 08, 2013 12:53 PM (VPiZq)

132 119
Actually, the steam engine is an 18th Century concept. Which
coincidently is when the Constitution was drafted and the Bill of Rights
adopted.

Posted by: Evil Blogger Lady
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Yup..., all outmoded, just ask Barky. Well, except that he would not have a clue about how steam engines actually work...., wait... he doesn't understand the other stuff either.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 12:53 PM (aDwsi)

133 "Is it time to finally admit the muzzies won the war on terror? I mean, it was declared to be over by TFG, wasn't it?" -BB

As I recall from the Authoritative comments of morons on AoS, a war is over when one side surrenders (presuming it is not first wiped out utterly). The US did not declare the Pacific War over on the USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay. You surrending? Okay then. Soldier on, for the Constitution and for the Nation for which that flag stands, to which I presume you have pledged your allegiance.

BTW, what's the plan again for when they take down all our sites and stop all our emails, after the next Unwasted Crisis? Short-wave networking? Satellite hijacking? Can they really catch or halt all the encrypted usenet and irc? Also that other thing, you know, "drink more Ovaltine.™" ;/

Posted by: mindful webworker and the secrets of the infrawebz at June 08, 2013 12:53 PM (U13jb)

134 navyjoe

lol, it's the ko olina...

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 08, 2013 12:54 PM (8JJ6O)

135 125
Miss me yet?


Posted by: Josef Stalin
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Get off my lawn!

Posted by: Joseph Goebbels at June 08, 2013 12:55 PM (aDwsi)

136 Anti-civil behavior detected.

Posted by: Combine AI at June 08, 2013 12:55 PM (3zJ4A)

137 O/T Everyone should read the Rush transcript in the sidebar.


Couple the NSA database with the Dem voter targeting database and the IRS' lack of compunction to abuse power.


Permanent Dem majority?

Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 08, 2013 12:55 PM (+XVQe)

138 100% privacy and 100% security
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The average citizen can achieve neither, but one should always favor the first over the later in almost all circumstances.

I'll take the proverbial "more dead children" option if it means gaining back some privacy, thanks.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at June 08, 2013 12:56 PM (7mQyC)

139
They are 'ending' the 'war' on 'terror' by encouraging Muslims to push for sharia peacefully and accommodating them.
Al Qaeda must be a little angry how easy it is for the tongue jihadis.
Three kinds of jihad: support with money, your tongue, or actual fighting.

Posted by: Beagle at June 08, 2013 12:56 PM (sOtz/)

140 As goes privacy .. goes Roe v Wade

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at June 08, 2013 12:57 PM (yDpav)

141 PS - aren't most power generation plants just giant steam turbines powered by various sources (coal, natural gas, nuclear fission)? So the steam engine is outdated, except that it powers the majority of the 21st century power grid?

Posted by: Cardinal Hans at June 08, 2013 12:57 PM (fH4cN)

142 134. Do have have alcohol?
I'm like 5 minutes away

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 08, 2013 12:58 PM (PwTLl)

143 Privacy is effectively a 20th century concept like the steam engine.

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No it's not. It's an 18th century concept that actually got written down in our nations founding documents.

What part of "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated" do you need clarification????

**spit**

Posted by: fixerupper at June 08, 2013 12:58 PM (IrLKP)

144 'you can't have 100% privacy and 100% security".'

So in this day and age we give up our right to privacy for security, according to this guy. Would he also apply this standard to our being secure from dangerous criminals. The government can invade our rights to protect us from terrorists, then in order to protect us from rapists, murderers, and pedophiles, can't they start throwing out criminals' rights, in the interest of security.

I hope this dude is willing to accept racial profiling in the interests of security and safety from criminals. Criminal rights is an outdated 20th century concept, right prof?

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 08, 2013 12:58 PM (DpI6K)

145 they can keep their (in)"security"

i'll keep my privacy and my freedom.

especially since the courts have held over and over again that you have no expectation of personal protection from the government to begin with.

Posted by: redc1c4 at June 08, 2013 12:59 PM (8MasJ)

146 I listen to Alex Jones for comic relief when my head hurts. Now I'm feeling like I have to find a new comedy relief. That Piers morgan interview with Alex was the best 10 minutes in tv this year.

Posted by: Alcoa headwear is stylish at June 08, 2013 12:59 PM (V+Pei)

147 141
PS - aren't most power generation plants just giant steam turbines
powered by various sources (coal, natural gas, nuclear fission)? So the
steam engine is outdated, except that it powers the majority of the 21st
century power grid?

Posted by: Cardinal Hans at June 08, 2013 12:57 PM (fH4cN)

Wind turbines , just sayin'.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 01:00 PM (AWmfW)

148 You just need to prohibit them from reading your letters.

Posted by: Ben at June 08, 2013 12:49 PM (e/V6S)

~

I am just saying that the notion of property rights without privacy is not possible. I think you captured the idea with your last sentence.

But if someone wants to say there is no Right to Privacy what does this mean:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."


Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:00 PM (SzAZ7)

149 And slightly OT: don't be dumb like me and wait until middle age to read C. S. Lewis' space trilogy: Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra, and That Hideous Strength (which is the best, and very anti-"progressive" - the term he uses).
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at June 08, 2013 12:18 PM (qIFL7) Lewis' description of what he called "the inner ring syndrome" explains a lot of what we see in academia today-- not surprising since his own experience as an Oxford Don inspired it.

Posted by: girldog at June 08, 2013 01:01 PM (i/s89)

150 Joke du jour
------------
Knock, knock
Who's there?
NSA.
(here the joke ends, because there is no way to put a funny face on it)

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 01:01 PM (aDwsi)

151 Posted by: fixerupper at June 08, 2013 12:58 PM (IrLKP)

~

You beat me to the punch!

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:02 PM (SzAZ7)

152 Wind turbines , just sayin'.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum
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Powered by unicorn farts.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 01:02 PM (aDwsi)

153 Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 01:01 PM (aDwsi)

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Me: Knock Knock

Hammer: Who's there????

Me: Ka

Hammer: Ka Who??

Me: KA- BOOOOOOM

Posted by: ... aaaaand THAT's a drone strike. at June 08, 2013 01:03 PM (IrLKP)

154 I recall back during the GWB first term a Russian Political Scientist wrote an article predicting that the USA would break up like the USSR had. At the time, he was mocked by many in the West. It was on Drudge for a while I think.
That guy, he's going to have the last laugh.

Posted by: a creeping sense of remorse at June 08, 2013 01:04 PM (NGsLN)

155 In political news, the media cost Mitt Romney the election by telling the American people that the GOP nominated Mitt Romney.

Posted by: News Correspondent in a Plaid Jacket at June 08, 2013 01:04 PM (Ks4nX)

156 105 Are longbows effective against steam engines?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 12:38 PM (SzAZ7)


Yes, if you shot one into the turbine it will blow up, like shooting one into a jet engine, same thing.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 08, 2013 01:04 PM (wR+pz)

157 Greetings citizen, we applaud your good taste in your selection of that beautiful taupe paint for your bedroom walls, but we're going to need you to turn the TV around so its not facing the wall. You have 20 seconds to comply.

Posted by: The voice on the phone at June 08, 2013 01:04 PM (/gHaE)

158 153 Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 01:01 PM (aDwsi)

How do you write a knock-knock joke for a no-knock raid?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:05 PM (SzAZ7)

159 They told me that if I voted for Mittens Rombley that I would end up living in a Fascistic Police State, and goll darn it, they were right.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled NEw Business Owner at June 08, 2013 01:05 PM (jucos)

160 "Personally, I'm shocked at the statists in our Congress who, apparently, went along with this gross violation of the 4th Amendment"

Last I heard, Congress was in the dark about this too.

Posted by: Lauren at June 08, 2013 01:06 PM (wsGWu)

161 Knock knoBOOOOOOM.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled NEw Business Owner at June 08, 2013 01:06 PM (jucos)

162 Miss me yet?




Posted by: Josef Stalin
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Get off my lawn!


Posted by: Joseph Goebbels at June 08, 2013 12:55 PM (aDwsi)

You both need to return to the land and study farming in one of my camps!

Posted by: Chairman Mao at June 08, 2013 01:07 PM (Cnqmv)

163 Shut up, he explained.

Posted by: RushBabe at June 08, 2013 01:07 PM (qkZxk)

164 How do you write a knock-knock joke for a no-knock raid?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:05 PM (SzAZ7)

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Yeah.... kinda hard to write a puch line for "FREEZE MOTHERFUCKER ...FBI!!!!! HANDS UP OR I"LL BLOW YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF!!!"

Posted by: fixerupper at June 08, 2013 01:08 PM (IrLKP)

165 I wonder if we can waterboard Teh JEF to find out what else he doesn't know

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled NEw Business Owner at June 08, 2013 01:08 PM (jucos)

166 160 "Personally, I'm shocked at the statists in our Congress who, apparently, went along with this gross violation of the 4th Amendment"

Last I heard, Congress was in the dark about this too.
Posted by: Lauren at June 08, 2013 01:06 PM (wsGWu)

~

Another instance where checking the NSA phone records may be useful.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:08 PM (SzAZ7)

167 With all their fancy eavesdropping they couldn't discover Tseedbump and Djoker despite the Russkies twice telling the that these be da guys. They did, however, manage to discover a number of Tea Party groups.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 01:08 PM (H3+iu)

168 Greetings citizen. You need to get some cockroach traps. We detected one crawling across the camera lens on your fridge last night.

Posted by: The voice on the phone at June 08, 2013 01:09 PM (/gHaE)

169 Torches, pitchforks and rope are a medieval concept that is still relevant.

Posted by: NYC Parent at June 08, 2013 01:10 PM (XjvAU)

170
You missed it, Purp...
Well, the 100% security part is patently BS and unattainable... particularly when the threats from the state start exceeding internal and external ones."

100% security is ALWAYS impossible because of "Human Nature". People want to spy on their Ex's, their friends, their old jobs, etc....
It's also impossible because people like to blab about the IMPORTANT JOB they do, so they can get laid by the last woman in the hotel bar.....

Posted by: qzy at June 08, 2013 01:10 PM (frzWt)

171 "FREEZE MOTHERFUCKER ...FBI!!!!! HANDS UP OR I"LL BLOW YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF!!!"

Posted by: fixerupper at June 08, 2013 01:08 PM (IrLKP)

~

That is the punchline. The knock-knock is when they shoot your dog.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:10 PM (SzAZ7)

172 With all their fancy eavesdropping they couldn't discover Tseedbump and Djoker despite the Russkies twice telling the that these be da guys. They did, however, manage to discover a number of Tea Party groups.

That's why I end all my tweets with #AllahuAkbar.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 08, 2013 01:10 PM (xSegX)

173 Nice rant by Denniger

http://tinyurl.com/lh9pmfj

Posted by: Chairman Mao at June 08, 2013 01:10 PM (Cnqmv)

174 Why won't they say who the Santa Monica shooter is?


Was he an illegal alien?

OWS?

Posted by: Thunderb at June 08, 2013 01:10 PM (nH8jP)

175 Just think of the multitudes of terrorist bombings and hijackings that DIDN'T occur because of the all encompassing police state. I feel safe and snug beneath their suffocating blanket.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled NEw Business Owner at June 08, 2013 01:10 PM (jucos)

176 167
With all their fancy eavesdropping they couldn't discover Tseedbump and
Djoker despite the Russkies twice telling the that these be da guys.
They did, however, manage to discover a number of Tea Party groups.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 01:08 PM (H3+iu)

Only ordinary citizens are their enemy as they see it.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 01:11 PM (AWmfW)

177 New update from microsoft, do I say yes to "do you agree to the terms of service".

Posted by: PRISM knows all at June 08, 2013 01:11 PM (VPiZq)

178 navyjoe

yes.....lots of alcohol


Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 08, 2013 01:12 PM (8JJ6O)

179 Is Pussy Riot steam punk?

Posted by: Evil Blogger Lady at June 08, 2013 01:13 PM (UYjru)

180 Only ordinary citizens are their enemy as they see it.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 01:11 PM (AWmfW)

The terrorists are needles in a haystack. The government is trying to find the needles by burning the haystack down.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:13 PM (SzAZ7)

181 >>>That is the punchline. The knock-knock is when they shoot your dog.

I thought that was the punchline when you call 911 in Gardena to report your bicycle stolen.

Posted by: Fritz at June 08, 2013 01:14 PM (UzPAd)

182 164. More like boom crash bang bang bang X100
Then freeze motherfucker, police

If you're in la you won't be hit but all your neighbors would be dead

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 08, 2013 01:14 PM (j8JLb)

183 The steam engine is an 18th century concept. Further back then that if you want to include "Hero's" engine.


Dumb Professor.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 08, 2013 01:14 PM (bb5+k)

184 Why won't they say who the Santa Monica shooter is?

Well, since he isn't famous, giving his name shouldn't be a problem...unless his name is indicative of something.

OK, without being cute, initial reports were that he's of Lebanese descent. Now there are a lot of people, especially in Southern California who are of Lebanese Christian descent.

However, given the tight lips, I'm thinking that wasn't the case.

We do know that he has a record of mental illness.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 08, 2013 01:16 PM (xSegX)

185 178. Whoa
T doesn't get home till tomorrow

Tell your sis I'm on my way

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 08, 2013 01:16 PM (j8JLb)

186 Amish dude, where did you see reports of mental illness?

Posted by: Thunderb at June 08, 2013 01:18 PM (nH8jP)

187 If you're in la you won't be hit but all your neighbors would be dead
Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 08, 2013 01:14 PM (j8JLb)

~

Oh....402A Smith Street not 402B? Our bad.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:18 PM (SzAZ7)

188 The terrorists are needles in a haystack. The government is trying to find the needles by burning the haystack down.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:13 PM (SzAZ7)

They had solid information on both the forth hood terrorist and the Boston brothers.
But they didnt do much, it's like they want recurring attacks to clamp down more on freedoms.And at the same time saying the war on terror is over. Tyranny won?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 01:18 PM (AWmfW)

189 Only ordinary citizens are their enemy as they see it.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 01:11 PM (AWmfW)

"All enemies, foreign and [s/]domestic,...

Posted by: Chairman Mao at June 08, 2013 01:19 PM (Cnqmv)

Posted by: Chairman Mao at June 08, 2013 01:19 PM (Cnqmv)

191 navy

did you buy a watch?

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 08, 2013 01:20 PM (8JJ6O)

192 BTW, what's the plan again for when they take down all our sites and stop all our emails, after the next Unwasted Crisis?

Invisible ink made with lemon juice.

Posted by: The Original Harrison Bergeron, Not That Johnny-Come-Lately Usurper at June 08, 2013 01:20 PM (JQuNB)

193 Only ordinary citizens are their enemy as they see it.




Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 01:11 PM (AWmfW)

"All enemies, foreign and domestic,...

Once more into the barrel

Posted by: Chairman Mao at June 08, 2013 01:20 PM (Cnqmv)

194 Only ordinary citizens are their enemy as they see it.






Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 01:11 PM (AWmfW)

"All enemies, foreign and domestic,...

Posted by: Chairman Mao at June 08, 2013 01:21 PM (Cnqmv)

195 42% Of US power is generated at coal plants.
An additional 19% is generated by Nuclear Plants.

accounting for over 60% of the power generated in the United States generated by

Steam Engines.

And that doesn't even count the number of combined cycle engines in use. GE's most advanced power generation unit, which can achieve a whopping 60% thermal efficiency includes......A steam engine.

You know what the real antiquated idea is? That the academic elite have any practical opinion worth listening to. Stick to theory in your subject in your artificial womb called the University system. Let the adults who actually know how the real world works make the big boy decision there little guy.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at June 08, 2013 01:21 PM (DEOdr)

196
*Clicking name below is certain to put you on another NSA watch list.*
Anyway, a great eleven minute talk by Claire Lopez on the forbidden threat analysis which actually works. And why we never use it.

Posted by: Beagle at June 08, 2013 01:22 PM (sOtz/)

197 I was just reading a little over at Daily Kos. There is a whiff of...consternation in the comments about this.

Of course, they still justify voting for Obama because those dastardly Rethuglicans were so much worse, don'tcha know.

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 01:22 PM (sdi6R)

198 Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at June 08, 2013 01:21 PM (DEOdr)


Those that can't, teach. Those that can't teach, administrate!

Posted by: Weimar Republican at June 08, 2013 01:23 PM (Cnqmv)

199 Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:00 PM (SzAZ7)

It means exactly what it says and no more or less.

For example, it doesn't mean I can sue you for telling someone some facts about me. The 4th Amendment doesn't bind non-government individuals. "Privacy" does.

The "right" to "privacy" means I can force you (a non-government individual) to shut up about me. "Privacy", therefore, isn't a right. Because rights don't entitle you to use force against others.

Posted by: Ben at June 08, 2013 01:24 PM (e/V6S)

200 Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 01:18 PM (AWmfW)

~

The Government will never be competent enough to prevent all terrorism but I doubt we'd want to live under a government that was.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:24 PM (SzAZ7)

201 "Privacy is effectively a 20th century concept like the steam engine."


I for one have no problem with this.



*chugga chugga chugga chugga squirt*

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at June 08, 2013 01:25 PM (LJ2uj)

202 Oh....402A Smith Street not 402B? Our bad.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead
--------------------

Heh. Just an example of horrible customer service.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 01:26 PM (aDwsi)

203 The terrorists are needles in a haystack. The government is trying to find the needles by burning the haystack down.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:13 PM (SzAZ7)


The terrorists are the government. They're just trying to burn the haystack down with us in it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 01:26 PM (+98Gb)

204 No knock, no knock.

Who's there?

FBI! On the floor dirtbag! Now are you going to tell us what you meant when you told your mom on the phone that you didn't like Obamacare or are we going to have to beat it out of you?

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 01:27 PM (Hx5uv)

205 As to Roe v. Wade and this situation, it's not privacy; it's a tax.

Thank you, Justice Roberts.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 01:27 PM (+98Gb)

206 Peek a boo! I see you!

All of you.

All the time.

Posted by: PRISM at June 08, 2013 01:28 PM (jGsIV)

207 188
They had solid information on both the forth hood terrorist and the Boston brothers.
But they didnt do much, it's like they want recurring attacks to clamp down more on freedoms.And at the same time saying the war on terror is over. Tyranny won?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 01:18 PM (AWmfW)


Well, as Bush said, "The terrorists hate us for our freedoms."

Obama promised to make the rest of the world like us.

Now we see how he's going about doing that. Problem solved!

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 01:28 PM (sdi6R)

208 Of course, they still justify voting for Obama because those dastardly Rethuglicans were so much worse, don'tcha know.


We can't have the French thinking poorly of us.

After all.

Posted by: eleven at June 08, 2013 01:30 PM (fsLdt)

209 If they know he was hospitalized two years ago for threatening to harm someone they know who it is.


They say it was not terrorism related, so why no name? Very very odd.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 08, 2013 01:30 PM (nH8jP)

210 steam engines were around in various forms for centuries, but it wasn't until Mister Watt found a way to regulate / control the temperature that steam engines became practical and in widespread use


which kicked off the whole Modern Era, and all that..........


'privacy' is a 20th Century concept



Posted by: Natty Hawthorne at June 08, 2013 01:30 PM (omBWL)

211 The "right" to "privacy" means I can force you (a non-government individual) to shut up about me. "Privacy", therefore, isn't a right. Because rights don't entitle you to use force against others.

Posted by: Ben at June 08, 2013 01:24 PM (e/V6S)

~

Can I come to your home and search it? Maybe just peek in the windows? I don't work for the Government and apparently you have no right of privacy from me.






Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:30 PM (SzAZ7)

212 191. Yep
Luminox 8360 diver professional
All black except for the numbering

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 08, 2013 01:30 PM (PwTLl)

213 >>>The Government will never be competent enough to prevent all terrorism
but I doubt we'd want to live under a government that was.<<<

How about we live under one where the NSA tells us, definitively, who screwed the pooch on Benghazi?

Posted by: Fritz at June 08, 2013 01:31 PM (UzPAd)

214 Oh....402A Smith Street not 402B? Our bad.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead
------------

BTW, I have had that happen. Cops show up looking for some dude. I knew they had SNAFU'd, and who they were looking for, because I had received mis-delivered for the guy the before. My address was the same, except that his street name was Street SW, whereas mine was only Street. His place was miles away. It was my good fortune (to the extent that the circumstance could be called 'good fortune') that it wasn't a no-knock warrant visit by a SWAT team.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 01:31 PM (aDwsi)

215 The sad thing is not so much that we are less concerned about freedom than the Brit press when we fought King George III for our freedom but the real sad thing is that we re less concerned about our freedom than the Turks in an Islamic country.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 01:32 PM (Hx5uv)

216 We are being played of course. No way it is a coincidence that these leaks are coming now. They are intentional to divert from Bengazi.
Indeed NYT was pissed at Obama because the story got leaked to the Post not because of the actual spying.
Why did the Post and Greenwald get the leaks . . . because EVERYONE knows Obama usually leaks to the TIMES.
He is putting everything else on stage. Get used to it. One scandal after another all summer long. . .

Posted by: a creeping sense of remorse at June 08, 2013 01:32 PM (NGsLN)

217 Moronic Asshole Comment of the Year winner...The mechanical steam engine debuted back in the 1700's most famously courtesy of Scottish engineer/inventor James Watt. Every 6th grader in the country knows this or should know it.

And the basic technology of steam power goes back far far longer than that, thousands of years. What a fookin' gabrone.

Ever hear of the mf Industrial Revolution, dickwad??? Who is this idiot again???

Posted by: MikeD at June 08, 2013 01:33 PM (iZiIb)

218 >>NSA Whistleblower: Obama Took Down General Petraeus with Surveillance Program<<


BRIETBART


Whoa!

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 08, 2013 01:34 PM (Cs2tJ)

219 >>>How about we live under one where the NSA tells us, definitively, who screwed the pooch on Benghazi?

it is completely unnecessary to give the government any extra power in order that they stop lying to us. The NSA already knows what happened, so does the CIA and so probably to does the FBI.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 08, 2013 01:34 PM (DEOdr)

220 216 Posted by: a creeping sense of remorse at June 08, 2013 01:32 PM (NGsLN)


That's some diversion; something as bad or worse. If I wanted to divert attention and increase my approval, I'd approve fracking, the Canada pipeline, offshore drilling and personally issue an executive order repealing Obamacare.

That would be a diversion.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 01:34 PM (+98Gb)

221 Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 01:31 PM (aDwsi)

Better hope no meth dealer ever moves in at the other address.

Or a terrorist ever butt-dials you for that matter.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:35 PM (SzAZ7)

222 We can't have the French thinking poorly of us.



After all.

Posted by: eleven
---------------------

...or the Kyrzakhstanis

Posted by: John Kerry at June 08, 2013 01:35 PM (aDwsi)

223 What is a Purp? If someone unveiled Prof. Aldrich's skeletons, he might quickly develop an appreciation for the usefulness of steam engines. Of course, I'm sure he's talking only about privacy vis-a-vis the government. He obviously throws out a false dichotomy on privacy/security. The point is that Prof. Aldrich, the government, a court...shouldn't tell us what our expectation of privacy is.

Posted by: Crispian at June 08, 2013 01:35 PM (+qU9V)

224 How about we live under one where the NSA tells us, definitively, who screwed the pooch on Benghazi?


Posted by: Fritz at June 08, 2013 01:31 PM (UzPAd)

It will turn out that all the #Benghazi info was inadvertently used in a test to prove that it is possible to completely remove a specific data set from all government and corporate computer databases.

Posted by: Weimar Republican at June 08, 2013 01:35 PM (Cnqmv)

225 How many people have those web-enabled, home-security camera systems? The ones where users can monitor the goings on in their homes?

Posted by: mrp at June 08, 2013 01:35 PM (HjPtV)

226 Remember how Obama blamed a YouTube video of a movie preview that no one saw for a terrorist attack on US territory, and within a week there were dozens of academics explaining how censorship was needed and actually a good thing to prevent terrorists from acting out of anger at speech that triggered them?

This is the week of academic explanations of the need, value, and virtue of pervasive government surveillance of everyone, and the absence of a need for privacy.

Whatever Obama does must be defended somehow. If he flayed children and ate their still-beating hearts on live TV, we could look forward to liberals and academics explaining how it was something that we needed more of.

Posted by: D1stewart at June 08, 2013 01:35 PM (fIkHQ)

227 Well, a steam engine for practical use dates back to the early 18th century, although various contraptions were used as far back as Greco-Roman times.

So aside from being a pretentious bootlicking fascist twit, Perfessor Aldrich doesn't know his history.

Posted by: orthodoc at June 08, 2013 01:35 PM (b1Tv7)

228
Why won't they say who the Santa Monica shooter is?

***

It illustrates a point. The government believes in privacy it's just that they believe in government privacy from the people not the way the founders saw which was the people's privacy from the government. In much the same way, the courts were originally supposed to protect the people from the government, not the government from the people.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 01:36 PM (Hx5uv)

229 217 Posted by: MikeD at June 08, 2013 01:33 PM (iZiIb)


The concept goes back even further; ancient Greece I believe. Still, if you want to find the stupidest, most self-absorbed and deluded people, look no further than academia.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 01:36 PM (+98Gb)

230 Amish dude, where did you see reports of mental illness?

CNN's website

Posted by: AmishDude at June 08, 2013 01:38 PM (xSegX)

231 There was talk of Nixon having an 'enemies' list of maybe half a dozen names. Kids stuff.

That's a helluva lot different then having a database with information on 300 million citizens and being able to quickly identify your enemies. Then having an agency like the IRS, or EPA doing your bidding.

I want Obama and Biden off the reins of terror this administration has created.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 08, 2013 01:39 PM (U2UQk)

232 If he flayed children and ate their still-beating hearts on live TV, we could look forward to liberals and academics explaining how it was something that we needed more of.

Posted by: D1stewart at June 08, 2013 01:35 PM (fIkHQ)

~

And FLOTUS pushing her recipe for flayed child heart on Good Morning America.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:39 PM (SzAZ7)

233 CA elementary school to hold toy gun buy back.
h/t WZ

Posted by: Ronster at June 08, 2013 01:39 PM (jeVgW)

234 CA elementary school to hold toy gun buy back.

Turn in two, get a FREE ABORTION!

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 01:41 PM (MMC8r)

235 221
Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 01:31 PM (aDwsi)



Better hope no meth dealer ever moves in at the other address.



Or a terrorist ever butt-dials you for that matter.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead
-----------------------

Actually, I would not be so disturbed about that. I sold the house to some *highly* suspect aliens. It was clearly a rigged green card deal. I actually tried to renege on the sale, but could not get out of it. It was a consortium of a Columbian Lawyer, Columbian real estate agent, and a 'buyer' who could not speak English. My neighbors were furious, and I do not blame them.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 01:41 PM (aDwsi)

236 ronster

we are doomed.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 08, 2013 01:41 PM (8JJ6O)

237 233
CA elementary school to hold toy gun buy back.

h/t WZ





Posted by: Ronster at June 08, 2013 01:39 PM (jeVgW)

There's not a sane person in that entire fucking state.

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 08, 2013 01:41 PM (Cs2tJ)

238 226
Remember how Obama blamed a YouTube video of a movie preview that no one
saw for a terrorist attack on US territory, and within a week there
were dozens of academics explaining how censorship was needed and
actually a good thing to prevent terrorists from acting out of anger at
speech that triggered them?

This is the week of academic
explanations of the need, value, and virtue of pervasive government
surveillance of everyone, and the absence of a need for privacy.

Whatever
Obama does must be defended somehow. If he flayed children and ate
their still-beating hearts on live TV, we could look forward to liberals
and academics explaining how it was something that we needed more of.


Posted by: D1stewart at June 08, 2013 01:35 PM (fIkHQ)

You just have to trust the government , or there will be trouble.

Posted by: Josef Stalin at June 08, 2013 01:41 PM (AWmfW)

239 Only the guilty will be investigated

All proles are guilty of something

You will never know you are on an enemies list

You will never hear the phrase 'medical treatment denied'

Posted by: Ghostofhallelujah at June 08, 2013 01:41 PM (XvrTA)

240 220
That's some diversion; something as bad or worse. If I wanted to divert attention and increase my approval, I'd approve fracking, the Canada pipeline, offshore drilling and personally issue an executive order repealing Obamacare.

That would be a diversion.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 01:34 PM (+98Gb)


Good point.

My take is that the IRS and NSA stuff is way worse than Benghazi. Not to make light of the four who died there, but let's face it, anyone accepting a posting in a war-torn foreign country has to know that there's an element of danger.

In contrast, the American public has traditionally assumed that the government isn't spying on them day and night. What was that old phrase I used to hear when I was younger, "It's a free country!"?

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 01:42 PM (sdi6R)

241 Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 01:36 PM (Hx5uv)


Obama's rewritten Constitution specifies what the government can do for you, accepts an unlimited ability of what it can do to you, rather than specifying what it can't do to you as the Founder's version did!

Progress!

Posted by: Weimar Republican at June 08, 2013 01:42 PM (Cnqmv)

242 Turn in two, get a FREE ABORTION!

Abortion is the only 'right to privacy' Obama will defend.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 08, 2013 01:43 PM (U2UQk)

243 233
CA elementary school to hold toy gun buy back.

h/t WZ





Posted by: Ronster at June 08, 2013 01:39 PM (jeVgW)

The mind control programs runs intact.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 01:43 PM (AWmfW)

244 What exactly is a Professor of International Security? Is this someone who travels to foreign countries, dons a blue helmet, and rapes the natives?

Posted by: Fritz at June 08, 2013 01:43 PM (UzPAd)

245 CA elementary school to hold toy gun buy back.

h/t WZ





Posted by: Ronster at June 08, 2013 01:39 PM (jeVgW)

Unless the boys can buy the toy guns from the toy store and sell it to the school for profit, the program will fail.

Posted by: KG at June 08, 2013 01:43 PM (IPz9m)

246 we are doomed.....

Yes we are phoenixgirl.

Posted by: Ronster at June 08, 2013 01:43 PM (jeVgW)

247 Every person I know has gone full underground in the last 24 hours. Cell phones have been trashed, people are asking me how TOR works, setting up fake identities, 20 trash e-mail adresses. land lines snail mail.

Guerrilla mode

Posted by: tangonine at June 08, 2013 01:44 PM (x3YFz)

248 "Unless the boys can buy the toy guns from the toy store and sell it to the school for profit, the program will fail."

Good luck buying them from a store. The only place I could find a non-nerf style gun for my boys was at the Mexican gas station.

Posted by: Lauren at June 08, 2013 01:45 PM (wsGWu)

249 dumping FB accounts, bailing from twitter... totally abandoning social media.

The titanic is sinking and everyone is grabbing a life vest.

Posted by: tangonine at June 08, 2013 01:45 PM (x3YFz)

250 >>NSA Whistleblower: Obama Took Down General Petraeus with Surveillance Program


BRIETBART


Oh, shit. I was beating this drum, but it seemed a bit far-fetched even to me.

But simple metadata would have caught his cheating easily.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 08, 2013 01:46 PM (xSegX)

251 There's not a sane person in that entire fucking state.


There are unfortunately. Poor bastards.


Think of the nest in Aliens.

Posted by: eleven at June 08, 2013 01:46 PM (fsLdt)

252 Good luck buying them from a store. The only place I
could find a non-nerf style gun for my boys was at the Mexican gas
station.

Posted by: Lauren at June 08, 2013 01:45 PM (wsGWu)
So it's like I said, the program will fail.

Posted by: KG at June 08, 2013 01:47 PM (IPz9m)

253 245 CA elementary school to hold toy gun buy back.

h/t WZ


When I was a boy we used sticks for toy guns. I wonder if there is some profit to be made here selling sticks to the school system.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:48 PM (SzAZ7)

254 There are unfortunately. Poor bastards.





Think of the nest in Aliens.

Posted by: eleven at June 08, 2013 01:46 PM (fsLdt)

Eh, I'm one of them. Where's my damn flamethrower/pulse rifle combo?

Posted by: KG at June 08, 2013 01:48 PM (IPz9m)

255 252
Good luck buying them from a store. The only place I

could find a non-nerf style gun for my boys was at the Mexican gas

station.



Posted by: Lauren at June 08, 2013 01:45 PM (wsGWu)
So it's like I said, the program will fail.


Posted by: KG at June 08, 2013 01:47 PM (IPz9m)

How much do they pay? Order a container from china..

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 01:48 PM (AWmfW)

256 >NSA Whistleblower: Obama Took Down General Petraeus with Surveillance Program

Yeah, I've pretty much decided that Petraeus was becoming a problem for them and they decided to take him out of action.

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 01:48 PM (MMC8r)

257 In contrast, the American public has traditionally assumed that the
government isn't spying on them day and night. What was that old phrase
I used to hear when I was younger, "It's a free country!"?


That's why I love monitoring this data stream. You guys are hilarious!

Posted by: PRISM at June 08, 2013 01:48 PM (jGsIV)

258
In contrast, the American public has traditionally assumed that the

government isn't spying on them day and night. What was that old phrase

I used to hear when I was younger, "It's a free country!"?

That's why I love monitoring this data stream. You guys are hilarious!


Posted by: PRISM at June 08, 2013 01:48 PM



Sigh, I miss stuff like this. Call me.

Posted by: KGB at June 08, 2013 01:50 PM (bAGA/)

259 Speaking of penumbras, mine kind of hurts this morning.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at June 08, 2013 01:51 PM (ZWaLo)

260 what's fucked up is that my government sees the citzenry as the enemy. You may have read enough history to know how this story ends.

Posted by: tangonine at June 08, 2013 01:51 PM (x3YFz)

261 Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:30 PM (SzAZ7)

Can I come to your home and search it? Maybe just peek in the windows? I don't work for the Government and apparently you have no right of privacy from me.

--

I don't. I have a property right. If I want to keep to myself, I won't invite you in and I'll keep the curtains closed.

But if you get info about me (through legal means) that violates my precious "privacy", then I shouldn't be able to use force against you to shut you up. You and I have no contractual relationship. You have no obligation toward me. Calling "privacy" a "right" creates that obligation as soon as you possess information about me. If privacy isn't a right, you are free. And instead of using force against you, I can protect my secrets from you by not telling you or showing you.

Posted by: Ben at June 08, 2013 01:52 PM (e/V6S)

262 Interesting on Petraeus. He was invited to Berilburg or whatever that secret meeting is.

Why? And got hired by Goldman. Why?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 08, 2013 01:52 PM (wR+pz)

263 "Privacy is effectively a 20th century concept like the steam engine."

"Naming the Enemy is effectively a 20th century concept like the steam engine."



Posted by: PJ at June 08, 2013 01:52 PM (ZWaLo)

264 You know who the luckiest guy in America is today? Bradley Manning. What he did doesn't seem all that bad now, does it?

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 01:53 PM (Hx5uv)

265 Yeah, I've pretty much decided that Petraeus was becoming a problem for them and they decided to take him out of action.

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 01:48 PM (MMC8r)

And as the boss of CIA he couldn't figure out that this was coming!

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 01:53 PM (AWmfW)

266 An elementary school will hold a toy gun exchange Saturday, offering students a book and a chance to win a bicycle if they turn in their play weapons.

They will get a book. Probably a lefty feel good book.

Posted by: Ronster at June 08, 2013 01:53 PM (jeVgW)

267 Sigh, I miss stuff like this. Call me.


Posted by: KGB at June 08, 2013 01:50 PM (bAGA/)
No problem, bud. I'll have Eric Schmidt hook you up. Google fiber, baby!

Posted by: PRISM at June 08, 2013 01:53 PM (jGsIV)

268 I still hear my grandfather in the kitchen of his old farmstead saying, "There's nothing more dangerous in the world then a politician who believes what the press writes about him."

Obama may just be the most dangerous politician alive, if he believes what his sycophants in the press write about him. I still cringe every time I hear the words 'Nobel Peace Prize'.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 08, 2013 01:54 PM (U2UQk)

269 You know who the luckiest guy in America is today? Bradley Manning. What he did doesn't seem all that bad now, does it?


Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 01:53 PM (Hx5uv)

Yeah he's a dirtbag, but in retrospect... I'm going to have to nod and say "ehh... he might have had something there" Good message, very poor delivery.

Posted by: tangonine at June 08, 2013 01:54 PM (x3YFz)

270 I suppose Ace will have to close his blog to foreigners, because it makes everyone here fair game to the NSA database. Especially if a possible foreignterrorist were to post on the HQ for shits and giggles.

Posted by: PRISM knows all at June 08, 2013 01:55 PM (VPiZq)

271 They will get a book. Probably a lefty feel good book.

Posted by: Ronster at June 08, 2013 01:53 PM (jeVgW)

~

A little red one.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 01:55 PM (SzAZ7)

272 What was that old phrase


I used to hear when I was younger, "It's a free country!"?

***

I have a joke I tell. Somebody says that they are going to go to lunch or something and I look at my watch and say, "Yeah, OK, it's still a free country." Looks like i was more right than I knew.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 01:55 PM (Hx5uv)

273 And as the boss of CIA he couldn't figure out that this was coming!

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 01:53 PM (AWmfW)


The CIA Long Knives wouldn't tell him they were fucking him. He thought he was bullet proof. What an idiot. Fucking a hot woman in your office after you run five miles with her. Gosh, no one had a clue.

Right.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 08, 2013 01:55 PM (wR+pz)

274 "...you can't have 100% privacy and 100% security".

At the rate they're going, we're unlikely to end up with much of either.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at June 08, 2013 01:57 PM (9+PGS)

275 They will get a book. Probably a lefty feel good book.

Posted by: Ronster at June 08, 2013 01:53 PM (jeVgW)

Wtf, what boy would trade a toy gun for a book?

Posted by: KG at June 08, 2013 01:59 PM (IPz9m)

276 BTW the Santa Monica shooter recently shaved his head, grew a beard and was going overseas to live with relatives. Hmm.....

Just sayin'.

Posted by: PJ at June 08, 2013 01:59 PM (ZWaLo)

277 PRISM sounds kinda like PRISON.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 08, 2013 02:00 PM (Lq5WC)

278 "What they're not going to say is, actually, we're very rapidly accelerating to a point where we're going to be in a transparent society,"

"Transparent society" eh? OK Perfesser, let's start with YOU. That black van parked outside is nothing, absolutely nothing to worry about...

Posted by: Nighthawk at June 08, 2013 02:00 PM (0qalu)

279 The thing is, there won't be security, either. They'll vacuum up everything, process everything, and we'll still have illegal aliens living openly, sudden jihad syndrome, terrorist attacks, and the rest.

But boy howdy, will those conservative groups have their dirty laundry aired with regularity.

Posted by: Eric Holder at June 08, 2013 02:01 PM (aGWGv)

280 262
Interesting on Petraeus. He was invited to Berilburg or whatever that secret meeting is.



Why? And got hired by Goldman. Why?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 08, 2013 01:52 PM (wR+pz)

Bilderberg.
They pay the coward to shut up.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 02:02 PM (AWmfW)

281 OT: Time for a little comedy relief.

Consider these pictures of Civil War soldiers.

http://tinyurl.com/m2qx257


http://tinyurl.com/nydptlg


http://tinyurl.com/mh54sd7

http://tinyurl.com/k9njg45

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 02:02 PM (Hx5uv)

282 PS - aren't most power generation plants just giant steam turbines
powered by various sources (coal, natural gas, nuclear fission)? So the
steam engine is outdated, except that it powers the majority of the 21st
century power grid?


That was my first thought. Clearly this guy shat out that thought on a computer powered by his own pedaling, just like all the anti-oil people do their typing on keyboards made of organic hemp processed only with wooden flails.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking beer at June 08, 2013 02:03 PM (hO8IJ)

283
More losses in Afghanistan...at the hand one of the Afghans we trained and armed.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 08, 2013 02:03 PM (OZ9Xn)

284
"Freedom of speech is a principal pillar of a free government; when this support is taken away, the constitution of a free society is dissolved, and tyranny is erected on its ruins."

Obama and his minions have crossed the line in the name of "security", and what do we have to show for it?The TSA whofondles women and children that only want to travel by air;the DHS who are rapidly becoming a second military and who answer to the President; any number of agencies, not the least of which is the IRS who collect personal data and information on private citizens and harass and intimidate the president's detractors.

I am so angry and disappointed with my government, and especially the feckless cowardly Republicans in congress. They are only there to collect a paycheck, to obtain an exemption from Obamacare and a fucking pension.

But the thing that pisses me off the most is that we did this to ourselves despite what our forefathers and veterans have given up for us. And that scurrilous, traitorous, parasite JEF didn't even have the dignity to remember those folks on the anniversay of one of the single greatest battles for freedom in the last century. If it weren't for those guys and gals, worthless pissant people like him could never have obtained the privileges and benefits of the office he abuses today.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 08, 2013 02:05 PM (32Scy)

285 BTW the Santa Monica shooter recently shaved his head, grew a beard and was going overseas to live with relatives. Hmm.....

Just sayin'.


I'm reading rumors on Twitter that his family is Christian. However...

Posted by: AmishDude at June 08, 2013 02:05 PM (xSegX)

286
Invisible ink made with lemon juice.

Attached to a carrier pigeon.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 08, 2013 02:05 PM (0HooB)

287 "What they're not going to say is, actually, we're very rapidly accelerating to a point where we're going to be in a transparent society," he told Today.

****

Unless you are a leader, in which case, you don't have to reveal a damn thing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 02:05 PM (DPdf7)

288 Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 02:02 PM (Hx5uv)

Who knew that the Union Army was so forward-thinking?

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 02:06 PM (sdi6R)

289 I wasn't looking up your skirt.
I was looking at a mirror held at your knees.
Just metadata.

Posted by: NYC Parent at June 08, 2013 02:06 PM (XjvAU)

290
The CIA Long Knives wouldn't tell him they were fucking him. He thought he was bullet proof. What an idiot. Fucking a hot woman in your office after you run five miles with her. Gosh, no one had a clue.


I don't think they cared about the affair, but knew they could use it if they wanted him out. My guess is P. wasn't going with the whole Big Brother program and they decided he had to go.

Note they got rid of him on Election Day (again, no scandals allowed before the election). Holder supposedly knew back in the summer.

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 02:07 PM (MMC8r)

291 276 BTW the Santa Monica shooter recently shaved his head, grew a beard and was going overseas to live with relatives. Hmm.....

Just sayin'.


Yeah, and every though the LA Times has given out his name, funny the NY Slime can not seem to find it?

Wonder why?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 08, 2013 02:07 PM (wR+pz)

292 ...
I don't. I have a property right. If I want to keep to myself, I won't invite you in and I'll keep the curtains closed.
...

Posted by: Ben at June 08, 2013 01:52 PM (e/V6S)

~

Oh I see. Privacy is inherent in property rights. I wish I'd said that.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 08, 2013 02:07 PM (SzAZ7)

293 More losses in Afghanistan...at the hand one of the Afghans we trained and armed.


***

I find it difficult to believe that there aren't some sort of signs that people such as these are going to act.

Are we just ignoring the signs....again?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 02:07 PM (DPdf7)

294 So when the SCOAMF denies that he is the front man for this coup d'etat, will he pronounce the "p"?

Posted by: In context: yes. at June 08, 2013 02:10 PM (9sjmH)

295 "I find it difficult to believe that there aren't some sort of signs that people such as these are going to act."

Signs:
1. Afghani
2. Muslim
3. Breathing

Easy to miss.

Posted by: mindful webworker - it's all just guesswork at June 08, 2013 02:10 PM (U13jb)

296 I'm reading rumors on Twitter that his family is Christian. However...

Posted by: AmishDude at June 08, 2013 02:05 PM (xSegX)

Doesn't mean he's not a convert.

Posted by: KG at June 08, 2013 02:10 PM (IPz9m)

297 All I want is what's best for you. And since nobody is listening in on your phone calls, it makes you look rather stupid to resist me harvesting your data and using it for my campaign, doesn't it? Especially as the program started under Bush, and was run by all my little loyal liberal government drones to undermine his administration.

I welcome a debate on all my other secret programs intruding on your privacy as well, if you can discover them, that is. We, as a society, must decide how much of your 4th Amendment rights you're willing to give up for a little security -- after I secretly steal them all away, of course. Purrrrrrrr. I do love my little evils.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 08, 2013 02:11 PM (hHgxI)

298 So when the SCOAMF denies that he is the front man for this coup d'etat, will he pronounce the "p"?

***

Why, of course he will.

He speaks American and will use the American pronunciation.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 02:11 PM (DPdf7)

299 I'm reading rumors on Twitter that his family is Christian. However...

If he's from the mideast and 'Christian', that's a whole other religion.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 08, 2013 02:13 PM (U2UQk)

300 >>>What an idiot. Fucking a hot woman in your office after you run five miles with her.<<<

Wait, he doinked her after a 5 mile run? In his office? Those old cluck-clucking office hens can smell sex a mile away.

Posted by: Fritz at June 08, 2013 02:14 PM (UzPAd)

301 I'm thinking that everyone should email to a friend or family member that you are 'considering securing an abortion'. Then file a FOI request to find out if your 'right to privacy' under Roe v Wade has been abridged by the government having a copy of that information stored somewhere.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 08, 2013 02:16 PM (U2UQk)

302 OK, this is kind of cute:

NSA Analyst commits suicide over surveillance assignment

http://tinyurl.com/kprbdww

(Link is to Daily Kos.)

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 02:19 PM (sdi6R)

303 I transfered over to startpage.com as my search engine. Looking for a new email provider too...

Posted by: Brendan at June 08, 2013 02:19 PM (8YVZT)

304 It looks like Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg is still young enough to whine "NOT ME!" and "I DUNNO!!"

"Facebook is not and has never been part of any program to give the US or any other government direct access to our servers," Zuckerberg wrote in a post to his Facebook account.

http://tinyurl.com/mshcsab



Posted by: kbdabear at June 08, 2013 02:21 PM (mCvL4)

305 We're all Pussy Riot now.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 02:21 PM (Hx5uv)

306 We're against steam engines.

Posted by: The ACLU at June 08, 2013 02:22 PM (Hx2XA)

307 "Facebook is not and has never been part of any program to give the
US or any other government direct access to our servers," Zuckerberg
wrote in a post to his Facebook account.

There's always indirect access there, boy.

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 08, 2013 02:22 PM (Cs2tJ)

308 If the republicans truly aren't just democrats with a different name, they are going to have to start getting their individual scandals out of the way. Take away anything that would be good blackmail fodder.

Like a tiwtter page, I'm a US Senator and he are my secrets or something like that, same for the house
Play a game with America Guess what senator with these secrets it is.

Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 02:22 PM (/b8+5)

309
Got to wonder what it will take to make these fools quit this shit.

As calm as the right has been, will this cause someone to snap?

Posted by: irongrampa at June 08, 2013 02:22 PM (SAMxH)

310
what should I watch?

Jack Reacher

or

Chupacabra vs The Alamo

Posted by: soothsayer at June 08, 2013 02:25 PM (+7i2c)

311 302 OK, this is kind of cute:

NSA Analyst commits suicide over surveillance assignment

http://tinyurl.com/kprbdww

(Link is to Daily Kos.)

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 02:19 PM (sdi6R)


Ok I feel horrible that I actually laughed at something from the KosKids but that's pretty damn funny.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 08, 2013 02:26 PM (V1ZIU)

312 This is definitely sinking in with the obamabots. Friend sent email asking if we think her home shredder has a chip in it to scan everything she shreds and send it directly to the NSA.

Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 02:27 PM (/b8+5)

313 We're all Pussy Riot now.

I'm topless!

Posted by: Helen Thomas at June 08, 2013 02:27 PM (uPbpg)

314
Jack Reacher stars Tom Cruise

Chupacabra vs The Alamo stars Ponch from CHiPs and, of course, the Alamo.

Posted by: soothsayer at June 08, 2013 02:27 PM (gtTDa)

315 we've reached the point where terroism and islamic extremism aren't the real threat. The real threat is in DC.

Terrorists can't jail you for life, steal everything you earned, crush your will an destroy your freedom.

They just blow some shit up now and then.

The real threat is the systematic destruction of your rights by the federal government.

Posted by: tangonine at June 08, 2013 02:27 PM (x3YFz)

316 309
Got to wonder what it will take to make these fools quit this shit.

As calm as the right has been, will this cause someone to snap?
Posted by: irongrampa at June 08, 2013 02:22 PM (SAMxH)


It's occurred to me that this could be a kind of psychological warfare against the right, designed to demoralize and paralyze us.

Their way of saying, "Resistance is futile."

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 02:27 PM (sdi6R)

317 Niedermeyer, the US didn't find anything on the Afghan murderer on Prism, so all is well!

Posted by: PJ at June 08, 2013 02:28 PM (ZWaLo)

318 When everything is online, when EVERYTHING has a camera or a motion sensor, when everything is connected, privacy will be gone.

The age of man is slowly ending, and the machine age is starting to dawn.

[/pan mountain of skulls shot/cue evil robot music]

dun dun dun DUN DUN! dun dun DUN DUN DUN!

Posted by: Eaton Cox at June 08, 2013 02:28 PM (q177U)

319 310
what should I watch?

Jack Reacher

or

Chupacabra vs The Alamo

Posted by: soothsayer at June 08, 2013 02:25 PM (+7i2c)


If you need to ask, you're not a moron!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 08, 2013 02:28 PM (V1ZIU)

320 Niedermeyer, the US didn't find anything on the Afghan murderer on Prism, so all is well!

***

I mean, it's not like he did a Powerpoint presentation on his plans or anything like that.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 02:29 PM (DPdf7)

321 317
Niedermeyer, the US didn't find anything on the Afghan murderer on Prism, so all is well!


Posted by: PJ at June 08, 2013 02:28 PM (ZWaLo)

No known tea party connection.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at June 08, 2013 02:29 PM (AWmfW)

322 318 When everything is online, when EVERYTHING has a camera or a motion sensor, when everything is connected, privacy will be gone.

The age of man is slowly ending, and the machine age is starting to dawn.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at June 08, 2013 02:28 PM (q177U)


Second look at the Unabomber manifesto?

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 02:30 PM (sdi6R)

323

NSA Analyst commits suicide over surveillance assignment


OBAMA SPIED, PEOPLE DIED!!!

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 02:31 PM (MMC8r)

324 "100% security"???

Talk about a strawman the size of Godzilla.

The "100% security" types are ALWAYS the ones who tell you that you "don't need a gun because the police will 'protect' you."... then just shrug when (as happened a few years ago in Detroit) the 911 operator tells you to put THE PERSON WHO JUST SHOT YOU on the line.

If there wasn't "100% security" at the Benghazi consulate, why should anyone be STUPID enough to believe that there'll be "100% security" anywhere ELSE?

Britain's motto has been for a long time, "We don't have to protect you, and we won't let you protect yourself."

Obama and those of his ilk have taken it as their own, here AND abroad... while still demanding MASSIVE intrusions into our fundamental rights and protections.

Posted by: Chris Morton at June 08, 2013 02:31 PM (uoVFE)

325 Knock, knock
Who's there?
NSA.
(here the joke ends, because there is no way to put a funny face on it)
------------------------------------

Us: Knock, knock
NSA: Who's there?
Us: Us.
NSA: We know.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 08, 2013 02:31 PM (Lq5WC)

326 When everything is online, when EVERYTHING has a camera or a motion sensor, when everything is connected, privacy will be gone.

****

I said the other day that when all that is on the market are "smart" televisions, with the camera in them, there will be a big run on antique tube televisions.

T.V. repair might be a good business to be in when it happens

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 02:32 PM (DPdf7)

327 Coop de Corpseman.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 02:33 PM (+98Gb)

328 Coop de Corpseman.


***

giggle

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 02:33 PM (DPdf7)

329 As calm as the right has been, will this cause someone to snap?

That's my concern, too. There are a lot of people who are just the opposite of low information. I remember being very, very aware of the details of Ruby Ridge. Then being very, very aware of the details of Waco. So much so that when one of my employees came to me and told me the morning of the OK bombing and how he thought it was a ME terrorist, I immediately said 'anniversary of Waco'.

I don't think McV was either right or left but he was really pissed at what happened at those two places. Besides the horror of what he did he actually helped Bill Cliton. I hope everyone remains calm but angry and conveys that anger in appropriate fashion to the appropriate people.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 08, 2013 02:33 PM (U2UQk)

330 As calm as the right has been, will this cause someone to snap?

Or is that their intent?

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 02:34 PM (MMC8r)

331 #8
Did Barry stop in and forget his teleprompter?

Posted by: Rob in Katy at June 08, 2013 02:35 PM (PiTBB)

332 Has anyone else heard of this ridiculous book?

Christian Nation by Frederic C Rich, in which he reimagines a world where the McCain and Palin ticket won the 2008
election and describes what the future might look like if the Christian
right succeeds in turning America into a theocracy.

Here is the comment I left on it at Tulsa City County Library:

This is a absolutely ridiculous premise for a book. The Christian Right DOES not desire a theocracy. We all know which religion actually holds that as the first tenet of their beliefs. I am all for freedom of speech and providing a diversity of reading materials, but, the library purchasing this title makes me sad, very sad. It almost makes me sad enough to remove the sizable bequest to the library from my will.

---------------------------------------------------------
The remark about the bequest is the absolute truth. I am leaving them a chunk in my will if they will put up a plaque with my Mother's name on it, thanking her for taking me to the library for books.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 08, 2013 02:38 PM (kXoT0)

333 As calm as the right has been, will this cause someone to snap?



Or is that their intent?

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 02:34 PM (MMC8r)


no one wants to be the first guy out the door. we've seen that movie.

Posted by: tangonine at June 08, 2013 02:39 PM (x3YFz)

334 Just checking back in...GOP leadership still worthless pieces of shit?

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 08, 2013 02:39 PM (Cs2tJ)

335 327
Coop de Corpseman.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 02:33 PM (+98Gb)
What is that? A trouncing of morale?

Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 02:40 PM (/b8+5)

336 As calm as the right has been, will this cause someone to snap?

Posted by: irongrampa


Oh, the Left is hoping it will. Guns ain't gonna ban themselves, ya know.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 08, 2013 02:41 PM (ujux6)

337 My sister and 9 of her friends are going to see the beefcake dance troupe "Thunder from Down Under".

So I tells my sis, "You know, the women I hang out with don't go to shows like that."

I think she got the point.

Posted by: Jim The Embalmer: If You Feel Death Is Near, Ask About My Early Bird Special at June 08, 2013 02:41 PM (AzwZn)

338 'Splain something to me.

Obama says that for us to win the War on Terror that should never have been fought, but which we've already won, Americans will just have to live with the NSA monitoring their phone calls and web usage.

But the Muzzies don't have to be profiled.

Posted by: Little Ricky at June 08, 2013 02:41 PM (u3N3z)

339 As calm as the right has been, will this cause someone to snap?

Or is that their intent?
Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 02:34 PM (MMC8r)


Despite the shiny, happy faces, the Left is distraught over this and are still in denial. Given their propensity for violence, one of them is likely to snap first.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 08, 2013 02:41 PM (xSegX)

340 NSA Whistleblower: Obama Took Down General Petraeus with Surveillance Program

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at June 08, 2013 02:41 PM (e8kgV)

341 As calm as the right has been, will this cause someone to snap?



Or is that their intent?

Posted by: zsasz at June 08, 2013 02:34 PM (MMC8r)

Yup. They're not your friend.

Posted by: tangonine at June 08, 2013 02:42 PM (x3YFz)

342 huge foreheads, flared nostrils and bulging eyes but still have no tolerance for hecklers.
Posted by: News Correspondent in a Plaid Jacket at June 08, 2013 12:31 PM (Ks4nX)

We were breeding for looks, but the welfare state seems to have reversed that. I imagine we'll wind up with a world filled with women who look like a cross between Moochele and Helen Thomas, and all the men will look like a well tanned Waxman. Then we'll go extinct and the dolphins will rule.

Posted by: Ook? at June 08, 2013 02:43 PM (OQpzc)

343 I believe that the steam nvention was not a 20th century invention...

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at June 08, 2013 02:43 PM (BLdjJ)

344 329 Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 08, 2013 02:33 PM (U2UQk)


The idea is to have several million people snap at the same time, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 02:43 PM (+98Gb)

345 But the Muzzies don't have to be profiled.
Posted by: Little Ricky at June 08, 2013 02:41 PM (u3N3z)

Did you ever notice the racial prolfiling taboo came about just in time for 9/ll?

Posted by: Ook? at June 08, 2013 02:44 PM (OQpzc)

346 'Splain something to me.

Obama says that for
us to win the War on Terror that should never have been fought, but
which we've already won, Americans will just have to live with the NSA
monitoring their phone calls and web usage.

But the Muzzies don't have to be profiled.


Posted by: Little Ricky at June 08, 2013 02:41 PM (u3N3z)


See? there you go thinking logically. Off to the reeducation camp with you.

Posted by: tangonine at June 08, 2013 02:44 PM (x3YFz)

347 Posted by: Ook? at June 08, 2013 02:43 PM (OQpzc)
"the dolphins will rule. "

in India?


Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 02:44 PM (/b8+5)

348 I feel so bad for the conspiracy blogs, they're so deflated, they've lost their identity.

Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 02:45 PM (/b8+5)

349 The steam engine brought about the industrial revolution and ended the aristocracy's control of wealth. So, yeah, I imagine they aren't fond of it.

Posted by: Ook? at June 08, 2013 02:45 PM (OQpzc)

350 NSA Whistleblower: Obama Took Down General Petraeus with Surveillance Program

I read the article, it's informed speculation, not a proven fact.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 08, 2013 02:46 PM (xSegX)

351 "Privacy is effectively a 20th century concept like the steam engine."

Watt?

Posted by: Gerard Harbison at June 08, 2013 02:48 PM (oiiqn)

352 326
I said the other day that when all that is on the market are "smart" televisions, with the camera in them, there will be a big run on antique tube televisions.

T.V. repair might be a good business to be in when it happens
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 02:32 PM (DPdf7)


TV repairman. That's a phrase you don't hear any more.

When I was a kid in the 60s, our TV repairman was a German immigrant who had been a radar operator for the Luftwaffe.

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 02:48 PM (sdi6R)

353 "ended the aristocracy's control of wealth" ??


hmmm. Maybe shuffled money and power to a somewhat enlarged and slightly different aristocracy, eh?

Posted by: Natty Hawthorne at June 08, 2013 02:48 PM (omBWL)

354 351 "Privacy is effectively a 20th century concept like the steam engine."

Watt?


--------

Third base.

Posted by: Largely Irrelevant Assault Undocumented Foreigner Anachronda at June 08, 2013 02:49 PM (U82Km)

355 In case it hasn't already been posted here:

Did PRISM Really Help Foil NYC Terrorist Attack? Documents Show Otherwise

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 08, 2013 02:49 PM (ujux6)

356 I don't think McV was either right or left but he
was really pissed at what happened at those two places. Besides the
horror of what he did he actually helped Bill Cliton. I hope everyone
remains calm but angry and conveys that anger in appropriate fashion to
the appropriate people.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 08, 2013 02:33 PM (U2UQk)
We don't know much about McVeigh's actual motives and his accomplice, Terry Nichols, won't talk because he is scared spitless for his family. We do not know where those two losers got the money to wander about the country putting their plan together. We do not have any idea what McVeigh did or learned during his time spent in the Philippines. We don't know those things because once BJ Clinton said it was right-wingers to get elected, the FBI investigation essentially STOPPED.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 08, 2013 02:50 PM (kXoT0)

357 TV repairman. That's a phrase you don't hear any more.

When I was a kid in the 60s, our TV repairman was a German immigrant who had been a radar operator for the Luftwaffe.

***

Yeah. Now we just throw out the set and buy another one. Yet I refuse to buy one of the smart t.v.s. I just won't do it. I will seek out a repairman when my t.v.s go on the fritz.

It's funny that you knew the background of your repairman. Back then, folks knew who they were dealing with. Now we just funnel through the lines and never even ask for a name.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 02:51 PM (DPdf7)

358 356
And McVeigh's execution was about the fastest one I can recall.

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 02:51 PM (sdi6R)

359 s calm as the right has been, will this cause someone to snap?

Posted by: irongrampa

Oh, the Left is hoping it will. Guns ain't gonna ban themselves, ya know.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 08, 2013 02:41 PM (ujux6)

there are times i think it is a set -up.
how sad is this!

Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 02:51 PM (nqBYe)

360 357
It's funny that you knew the background of your repairman. Back then, folks knew who they were dealing with. Now we just funnel through the lines and never even ask for a name.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 02:51 PM (DPdf7)


Well, my dad was a WWII vet (Pacific theater), so they had that in common.

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 02:53 PM (sdi6R)

361 How does this affect my right to use birth control and have an abortion?

Posted by: elizabethe on the phone at June 08, 2013 02:54 PM (oXN2U)

362 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 08, 2013 02:50 PM (kXoT0)

I once did a photoshop animated gif that morphed the images of one of the islamist suspects people mentioned and the FBI line drawing. On a zero to 100 possible score it was like 99.9%

But I'm just a dum knuckle-dragging conspiracy theorist.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 08, 2013 02:56 PM (U2UQk)

363
I said the other day that when all that is on the market are "smart" televisions, with the camera in them, there will be a big run on antique tube televisions.

T.V. repair might be a good business to be in when it happens


I'd think that some enterprising people might want to go into business disconnecting those cameras.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 08, 2013 02:56 PM (0HooB)

364 "I said the other day that when all that is on the market are "smart"
televisions, with the camera in them, there will be a big run on antique
tube televisions.
"

Good luck watching modern broadcast HDTV through a digital signal converter box (which will of course be susceptible to spytech) on a picture tube only capable of displaying 27 frames per second at 640x480 pixels.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at June 08, 2013 02:56 PM (KCvsd)

365 And McVeigh's execution was about the fastest one I can recall.

***

We noted yesterday that Ramirez filed appeals for 20 years before he expired his last and, even then, sat in prison for another 7 years before dying of natural causes.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 02:57 PM (DPdf7)

366 Good luck watching modern broadcast HDTV through a digital signal converter box (which will of course be susceptible to spytech) on a picture tube only capable of displaying 27 frames per second at 640x480 pixels.

***

Soooo... they've got us.?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 02:57 PM (DPdf7)

367 there are times i think it is a set -up.
how sad is this!

Posted by: willow


I don't think it is because it's not necessary. Human nature being what it is, sneaky SOBs have used the tactic of goading their opponent into doing something illegal for a looooong time.

All the easier when you are in charge of the legal apparati.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 08, 2013 02:58 PM (ujux6)

368 i have rabbit ears left from a previous owner, still up on the roof. . no idea how to hook that up or what type of wire.
or if that is a silly idea.

Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 02:59 PM (nqBYe)

369 box (which will of course be susceptible to spytech) on a picture tube only capable of displaying 27 frames per second at 640x480 pixels.
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at June 08, 2013 02:56 PM (KCvsd)

If you have an outside connection, you've been spy-able since the 60s. It is just the sheer volume doable today that is breathtaking.

Posted by: Ook? at June 08, 2013 03:00 PM (OQpzc)

370 I have to admit that this is the first I've heard about smart TVs with cameras in them. What is the purpose of the camera?

I still have a CRT TV in the living room, which I haven't watched since I cancelled my cable subscription.

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 03:00 PM (sdi6R)

371 356

And McVeigh's execution was about the fastest one I can recall.

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 02:51 PM (sdi6R)That was on him. He requested no appeals and a speedy execution. The guards say that he heard the children in the daycare center screaming and crying for their parents every night when he tried to sleep. I hope he did. I hope he hears them for eternity and a day.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 08, 2013 03:00 PM (kXoT0)

372 weft cut-loop, ok, yes that is a good point.

Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 03:00 PM (nqBYe)

373 Serious question, where is the camera on a "smart" TV? How do I locate it on my TV and computers? I know this computer has a camera, but, I can't see where it is.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 08, 2013 03:02 PM (kXoT0)

374 "Facebook is not and has never been part of any program to give the
US or any other government direct access to our servers," Zuckerberg
wrote

You don't need direct access to our servers .. when you sit on their electronic doorstep and watch everything going in and out.

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at June 08, 2013 03:02 PM (e8kgV)

375 352 TV repairman. That's a phrase you don't hear any more.

When I was a kid in the 60s, our TV repairman was a German immigrant who had been a radar operator for the Luftwaffe.
Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 02:48 PM (sdi6R)


Did he sabotage the TV to explode every time you tuned in to "12 O'Clock High?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 03:02 PM (+98Gb)

376 Serious question, where is the camera on a "smart" TV? How do I locate
it on my TV and computers? I know this computer has a camera, but, I
can't see where it is.



We've enjoyed the French lingerie show! Thanks from all of us at Ft. Meade.

Posted by: NSA at June 08, 2013 03:03 PM (doBIb)

377 Govt. created white noise because it is possible to hear what is being said inside a room by reading the vibrations of the windows. That is why places like NSA don't tend to have windows.

When an old signals dog refers to buildings without windows, that is what they mean.

Posted by: Ook? at June 08, 2013 03:04 PM (OQpzc)

378
Statements from Microsoft, Yahoo, Facebook, Apple, AOL and Paltalk made the same distinction.
But instead of adding a back door to their servers, the companies were
essentially asked to erect a locked mailbox and give the government the
key, people briefed on the negotiations said. Facebook, for instance,
built such a system for requesting and sharing the information, they
said.
The data shared in these ways, the people said, is shared after company
lawyers have reviewed the FISA request according to company practice. It
is not sent automatically or in bulk, and the government does not have
full access to company servers. Instead, they said, it is a more secure
and efficient way to hand over the data.

Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 03:04 PM (nqBYe)

379 A red light comes on my computer when the camera is on. I placed masking tape over it.

The easiest way to find them is with a flashlight and a dark room. Hold flashlight to the side and you should be able to see the shiny lens pretty easily.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 08, 2013 03:05 PM (U2UQk)

380 My lefty wife has been paranoid about cable and internet ever since she was hacked last year. Hence, we have neither (I piggyback on my neighbor's service). She's afraid of the thieves.

Now I can tell her not to worry since it's the government that she voted for!

Ha! Her head will explode, right after she explodes mine!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 03:05 PM (+98Gb)

381 Hold flashlight to the side and you should be able to see the shiny lens pretty easily.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 08, 2013 03:05 PM (U2UQk)

the side of the screen?

Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 03:07 PM (nqBYe)

382 "as President Obama has said, that you can't have your cake and eat it - you can't have 100% privacy and 100% security"

Seems like using strawmen are stock and trade of people who speak in favor of less freedom in society. Seriously, WHO wants 100% security, or believes that is the role of government? These people are pathetic and donning the mantle of "professor" when making such statements carries about the same weight as the title of "captain clown".

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 08, 2013 03:07 PM (z8kfX)

383
Serious question, where is the camera on a "smart" TV? How do I locate it on my TV and computers? I know this computer has a camera, but, I can't see where it is.

Not sure where they are on a TV. On my laptop, it's facing me, it's really small (*waves at NSA*). If you have software that records video on your computer, turn it on. You should be able to figure out where it is.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 08, 2013 03:08 PM (0HooB)

384 Outside of the screen area. Most likely at the center of the top or bottom area. Hold light at right angles, which is the easiest way to discern texture.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 08, 2013 03:09 PM (U2UQk)

385 ty

Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 03:10 PM (nqBYe)

386 I think it's ironic that all of this is being done under the Foreign Intelligence and Surveillance Act.


But for God's sake, don't criticize the ways of a foreigner or you're a bigot.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 08, 2013 03:11 PM (+XVQe)

387 368 i have rabbit ears left from a previous owner, still up on the roof. . no idea how to hook that up or what type of wire.
or if that is a silly idea.
Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 02:59 PM (nqBYe)


Nitpick: That's a roof antenna. Rabbit ears were the two extensible antennas that were on top of the TV, and came with the TV.

Roof antennas had to be bought separately and installed. They gave better reception than rabbit ears, but many people just made do with the rabbit ears.

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 03:12 PM (sdi6R)

388 They should move one of the recurring Sunday threads, gun, book or gaming, to Saturday. Or start a recurring Saturday thread....cooking? *runs*




Posted by: Tami at June 08, 2013 03:12 PM (X6akg)

389 That professor is just a servant of the empire.

I was a sailor for the empire during the cold war. Now, all I think I did was help America stave of Soviet communism so we could be free to vote in fascism. What a complete waste of lives and money.

Posted by: Ook? at June 08, 2013 03:13 PM (OQpzc)

390 They should move one of the recurring Sunday threads, gun, book or gaming, to Saturday. Or start a recurring Saturday thread....cooking? *runs*

***

Yep. Sunday is just one topic-specific thread after another.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 03:14 PM (DPdf7)

391 "...ended the aristocracy's control of wealth."

'We've still got a lot of em fooled my fellow elite. Once we foreclose on America's debt and own their country we will be able to enslave humanity for our master's glory.

Hail satan!!

Posted by: Your Masters and Betters at June 08, 2013 03:15 PM (SFZtG)

392 willow @ 359

Irongrampa, et al

It is a chess game, of a sort.

The Obama gambit.

1) push continuously against Constitutional norms. It's what he knows as a Community Organizer.

2) Wait for a pushback, and use that as an excuse for more of a powergrab. The shootings in Newtown were just the sort of excuse the Left always looks for to steal more power. Never let a crisis go to waste.

4) The Republican Party is largely emasculated because they think they can get power back some day, and don't want to "rock the boat". They are lacking any intellectual leadership AT ALL, being led by autistic wombats.

5) The "Fourth Estate", the watchdog of the government, our so-called "free press" , is firmly behind the Obama "coup", and will largely endorse, rationalize, support the illegitimate power grab of Obama and his regime, because at heart they believe he is right. Or believe they will share in the power that he and his Party will yield, because they think that they are fellow Elites.


So nothing will be done, we will sit in front of our computers and rage on blogs, and nothing will change. And in 2016, we will get the choice of Jeb Bush or Chris Christie as Republicans and Hillary Clinton or some other lying craphound to run as a Democrat.

They may let Christie "win", to keep up the appearance of a two-party government, and further alienate the conservative wing of the Republican party, but Christie as a President will do nothing substantially different than Obama, and will reverse nothing of the abuses that Obama has instituted.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at June 08, 2013 03:18 PM (Jhcmf)

393 They should move one of the recurring Sunday threads, gun, book or gaming, to Saturday. Or start a recurring Saturday thread....cooking? *runs*
Posted by: Tami at June 08, 2013 03:12 PM (X6akg)

Had some great regional snark on the grits thread.

Posted by: Ook? at June 08, 2013 03:18 PM (OQpzc)

394 375
Did he sabotage the TV to explode every time you tuned in to "12 O'Clock High?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 08, 2013 03:02 PM (+98Gb)


Sorry, I forgot to mention: LOL!

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 03:18 PM (sdi6R)

395 379
A red light comes on my computer when the camera is on. I placed masking tape over it.



The easiest way to find them is with a flashlight and a dark room.
Hold flashlight to the side and you should be able to see the shiny lens
pretty easily.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request at June 08, 2013 03:05 PM (U2UQk)
I had a band aid over it for years, then it came off and I didn't replace it. Yesterday I put another band aid.What's freaking the obamabots out is that they have a tv in their bedroom and that's where they come out after they shower and get dressed. They are thinking who is seeing them naked.


Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 03:20 PM (/b8+5)

396 snail mail.

Guerrilla mode


Posted by: tangonine
---------------------

Only if your mail does not have a return address. All mail is now being photographed (well, digitally imaged) front and rear. Of course, the data base still contains the address of the recipient, and it knows what P.O. it came from.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 03:20 PM (aDwsi)

397 Not sure where they are on a TV. On my laptop, it's facing me, it's really small (*waves at NSA*). If you have software that records video on your computer, turn it on. You should be able to figure out where it is.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 08, 2013 03:08 PM (0HooB)


I deliberately did not install the drivers for the camera on my laptop. It's unusable until I do so.

I should call Dell or Lenovo and tell them they should call their next laptop series the "Presidential Range," and include a sliding cover over the camera, e-mail encryption, fingerprint scanner, and other anti-intrusion measures.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 08, 2013 03:21 PM (qyfb5)

398 Petraeus is not working for Goldman

He is working for KKR, which is run by an influential republican, Kravits.

According to Alex Jones, Petraetus is at Bildeburger and he spoke of his metadata love.


Posted by: Thunderb at June 08, 2013 03:22 PM (nH8jP)

399 Protip

I know an Israeli with a carrier pigeon.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 08, 2013 03:24 PM (nH8jP)

400 5) The "Fourth Estate"....." Reader C.J. Burch
---------------------

I prefer "Fifth Column", as it is more descriptive:

noun 1. a group of people who act traitorously and subversively out of a secret sympathy with an enemy of their country.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 03:25 PM (aDwsi)

401 OT: China is going to build a huge canal through Niceragua.

Not good.

tp://tinyurl.com/mqp83ln

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 08, 2013 03:26 PM (Vk2pI)

402 Carter Chipman Hull, 72
10802 Huntley Pl
Silver Spring, MD 20902

Posted by: unambiguiously at June 08, 2013 03:26 PM (e8kgV)

403 What the ever loving FUCK!?!?

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/06/08/california-elementary-school-holds-toy-gun-buyback/


I mean, I'm all for giving kids books and bikes but 'turn in your violent toys'?

Posted by: Ragamuffin at June 08, 2013 03:26 PM (fzFF6)

404 Since Rove and McCain think domestic spying is a great idea, better shut 'er down.

Posted by: Valiant at June 08, 2013 03:26 PM (aFxlY)

405 Link seen at Drudge:

RED TIDE RISING: China encircles U.S. with sailing warships and armed neighbors...

Well, as long as they're still using sailing warships, we don't have anything to worry about.

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 03:26 PM (sdi6R)

406 Yep. Sunday is just one topic-specific thread after another.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 03:14 PM (DPdf7)


You have the keys, dontcha?



Posted by: Tami at June 08, 2013 03:26 PM (X6akg)

407 This can't be allowed to go on.

Posted by: Cato at June 08, 2013 03:26 PM (rtY2i)

408 Lessee -- very little phone use (I hate phones). No Facebook or other social media. No cameras in my emergency Tracphone or computer. My cars are a 2005 and a 1979 (which will probably not last another year, darn it!) So I should be safe from most gummint scrutiny.

OTOH, I spend most of my on-line time lurking here.

Me scrod, huh?

Posted by: Empire1 at June 08, 2013 03:27 PM (+VacU)

409 Soooo... they've got us.?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 02:57 PM (DPdf7)


------------------------------------------


A piece of tape over the camera lens should eliminate that threat. Or somehow tape a pic of the Simpsons sitting around on the sofa in front of the camera.

Posted by: Dr. Soona at June 08, 2013 03:27 PM (eXrAx)

410 So someone else had an idea. Totally not me.

In one of the circle-jerk revolution threads many moons go, they were talking about multiple lone wolves sn.iping pols and how that would cause them to retreat behind armed securtity all the time since they couldn't go out in public. Yadda yadda.

Someone else is now thinking, the pols are just the figureheads. You want to scare/impact [one of] the muscle of the machine: the bureaucracy. The million+ drones and their supervisors. Impossible to protect them all. 'Oh, you work for the IRS/EPA/TDS/UN/Feds/etc? Oh, you go home every night to your family in the burbs? ...Then here's something 'kinetic' for you and a lesson for your coworkers.'

A little bit like low-class, third-world 'revenge/cleansings'. But come the revolution, the tree doesn't care how it gets watered. Many small drops vs a few big drops.

/tinfoil

Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 08, 2013 03:27 PM (X/+QT)

411 I mean, I'm all for giving kids books and bikes but 'turn in your violent toys'?

Posted by: Ragamuffin
---------------

I wonder what I can get for my boyhood Gilbert Chemistry Set?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 03:27 PM (aDwsi)

412 Why is it never mentioned in the media that the "beloved' Nelson Mandela is a fricking communist? Never mind, the question answers itself....

Posted by: Craig Poe at June 08, 2013 03:27 PM (BVkEs)

413 I mean, I'm all for giving kids books and bikes but 'turn in your violent toys'?

Posted by: Ragamuffin at June 08, 2013 03:26 PM (fzFF6)


Handing your children over to your government is not only child abuse, it's what the government desperately wants.

They want to abuse your children.

They already teach them to spy on each other and their own parents and report to the authorities. Have done for years.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 08, 2013 03:28 PM (qyfb5)

414
I think it's ironic that all of this is being done under the Foreign Intelligence and Surveillance Act.

***

You are a foreigner compared to a Kenyan.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 08, 2013 03:28 PM (XUKZU)

415 IOWAHAWK: Govt has to scrape all your phone calls and emails because govt forgot to enforce immigration law on 20 expired visas in 2001.

Posted by: Uncle Tom at June 08, 2013 03:30 PM (e8kgV)

416 407 This can't be allowed to go on.

Posted by: Cato at June 08, 2013 03:26 PM (rtY2i)


It won't, the only question is how ugly will it get and how ugly will the correction be.

Angry people make poor decisions, and scared people make poor decisions, and both the abusers and the abused are angry and scared.

Almost every path I can imagine results in peeing what little we have left down our legs in the attempt to solve the problem.

Here I am, cheering myself up again.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 08, 2013 03:31 PM (qyfb5)

417 Me scrod, huh?

Posted by: Empire1
----------------------

Pretty much. I figure drone co-ordinates for all morons have been programmed into the Great Giant Head for some while. All emails, posts, site visits, personal data, financial data, etc, were mined out a long time ago. We're probably fooked.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 03:32 PM (aDwsi)

418 Still no name on shooter

Must be related to a dem politician

Posted by: Thunderb at June 08, 2013 03:32 PM (nH8jP)

419 Maybe everyone should call the White House and say "Yes, I'm returning your call".

Posted by: Craig Poe at June 08, 2013 03:32 PM (BVkEs)

420 418
Still no name on shooter



Must be related to a dem politician

Posted by: Thunderb at June 08, 2013 03:32 PM (nH8jP)

---
He killed his father and brother. His mother is out of town, somewhere in the Middle East.

Posted by: Craig Poe at June 08, 2013 03:34 PM (BVkEs)

421 @401 WTF?! If that news is for real, that's serious shit. It sounds like China is working to create it's own waterway to connect the Pacific and Atlantic, and bypass the Panama Canal. If that isn't China thumbing their nose at the US I don't know what is.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 08, 2013 03:34 PM (z8kfX)

422 Increased snoping is not being used to keep us safe . It's to keep Islam safe from being singled out and profiled:

Here is a question worth pondering: If our government is so intent on “protecting” Americans against our enemies (which it refuses to name) that it knowingly goes to the extreme of trampling our 4th Amendment protections, then why has it obliged Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated groups’ demand to “purge” our military, intelligence, and LEO agencies of training material “biased” toward Islam, specifically Jihad? And why has our government, bowing further to those demands, purged trainers such as Stephen Coughlin — an expert in Islamic doctrine — whose job was to brief, Sun Tzu-style, the aforementioned security community in the detection of Jihadis?

There’s far more to the data-mining scandal than meets the eye (bad as that is), and Diana West provides some important insight to the story here: http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/2540/Surveillance-Can-We-Take-a-Step-Back.aspx

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 08, 2013 03:35 PM (iwHSQ)

423 418
Still no name on shooter



Must be related to a dem politician

Posted by: Thunderb at June 08, 2013 03:32 PM (nH8jP)

I gave you the name of his father on an earlier thread.....

Firefighters would later find the bodies of two men inside the house.

Police sources, who requested anonymity because of the ongoing

investigation, said the men were Samir Zawahri, 55, the owner of the

house, and one of his adult sons. A second son is suspected of being the

shooter, the sources said.

Posted by: Tami at June 08, 2013 03:35 PM (X6akg)

424 Almost every path I can imagine results in peeing what little we have left down our legs in the attempt to solve the problem.



Here I am, cheering myself up again.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile
----------------------

Yeah..., and it isn't as though there are not people in the world happy and eager to take advantage of our internal conflict/dissent

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 03:35 PM (aDwsi)

425 But they already announced it was not terrorism .


Sarc

Posted by: Thunderb at June 08, 2013 03:36 PM (nH8jP)

426 I just heard on Fox that the Feds are going to start a criminal probe into the NSA leakers.

They're doubling down folks.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 08, 2013 03:36 PM (V1ZIU)

427 Nood

Posted by: Tami at June 08, 2013 03:37 PM (X6akg)

428 #206 from a poster, HarrietHT at "Legal Insurrection" website

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 08, 2013 03:38 PM (iwHSQ)

429 Yeah..., and it isn't as though there are not people
in the world happy and eager to take advantage of our internal
conflict/dissent


Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 03:35 PM (aDwsi)

no problem i believe the U.N will be ready able and willing to see to our collective needs at the special moment?

Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 03:38 PM (nqBYe)

430 These people are pathetic and donning the mantle of "professor" when making such statements carries about the same weight as the title of "captain clown".
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at June 08, 2013 03:07 PM (z8kfX)

Dear Chairman LMAO,

I find your statement on this matter insulting and offensive. That is all.

Posted by: Captain Clown at June 08, 2013 03:39 PM (GgPam)

431 They want to abuse your children.



They already teach them to spy on each other and their own parents and report to the authorities. Have done for years.

Posted by: Merovign
--------------------

Thus it is that conservatives keep their eyes on socialists, just as parents keep their eyes on child abusers, both for the same reason

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 03:39 PM (aDwsi)

432 Samir Zawahri, Randa Abdou TRO: Santa Monica Rampage EXCLUSIVE
http://tinyurl.com/kngf22z

Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 03:40 PM (/b8+5)

433 off to finish up in the yard.



Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 03:41 PM (nqBYe)

434 410
Someone else is now thinking, the pols are just the figureheads. You want to scare/impact [one of] the muscle of the machine: the bureaucracy. The million+ drones and their supervisors. Impossible to protect them all. 'Oh, you work for the IRS/EPA/TDS/UN/Feds/etc? Oh, you go home every night to your family in the burbs? ...Then here's something 'kinetic' for you and a lesson for your coworkers.'

Posted by: Tonic Dog at June 08, 2013 03:27 PM (X/+QT)


I made a comment last night. Here it is, fleshed out a bit:

With all the surveillance, maybe it’s time to start talking openly about revolution. I mean the whole nine yards: Assassinating politicians, blowing up government buildings, targeting wives and children of IRS officials, you name it. Let it all hang out. The more lurid the better.

If each of us starts talking and writing like this on a continual basis, it may overwhelm the system. It’s like jamming radio signals. They won’t be able to tell the difference between actual threats and people who are just blowing smoke.

Then, when the time comes, patriots who are making real plans may be able to slip through all the noise.

Alas, it's like a tax strike. It would only work if large numbers of people participated. If only a few did it, they would be tracked down and nailed to the wall.

Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 03:43 PM (sdi6R)

435 off to finish up in the yard.
Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 03:41 PM (nqBYe)


--------------------------------------------


btw. You look good in that outfit you wear when you're working in the yard.

Posted by: PRISM at June 08, 2013 03:43 PM (eXrAx)

436 435
off to finish up in the yard.

Posted by: willow at June 08, 2013 03:41 PM (nqBYe)





--------------------------------------------





btw. You look good in that outfit you wear when you're working in the yard.

Posted by: PRISM at June 08, 2013 03:43 PM (eXrAx)
Too funny. Around here people went up to the tv when they got up, and said "good morning NSA guys and girls". I mean everyone. That was the joke of the day.

Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 03:46 PM (/b8+5)

437 They want to abuse your children.



They already teach them to spy on each other and their own parents and report to the authorities. Have done for years.

Posted by: Merovign
--------------------

Thus it is that conservatives keep their eyes on socialists, just as parents keep their eyes on child abusers, both for the same reason

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 08, 2013 03:39 PM (aDwsi)


Quite: http://tinyurl.com/k27h7vc

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 08, 2013 03:46 PM (Vk2pI)

438 Alas, it's like a tax strike. It would only work if large numbers of people participated. If only a few did it, they would be tracked down and nailed to the wall.
Posted by: rickl at June 08, 2013 03:43 PM (sdi6R)


---------------------------------------------


Would you prefer nails or spikes? We can do either.

Posted by: PRISM at June 08, 2013 03:46 PM (eXrAx)

439 Orthodox Christian Jordanians. Parents were divorcing. Mom left. Mom had a restraining order against dad.

Dad sounds violent. Son sounds mentally ill. They have family in Ohio. Maybe they are waiting until they can notify mom her two sons are dead.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 08, 2013 03:47 PM (nH8jP)

440 Just noticed my hash. Chinese laxative.

Posted by: Dr. Soona at June 08, 2013 03:48 PM (eXrAx)

441 440 Just noticed my hash. Chinese laxative.

Posted by: Dr. Soona at June 08, 2013 03:48 PM (eXrAx)


Why does *everybody* get that wrong?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at June 08, 2013 03:51 PM (qyfb5)

442 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3028944/posts

Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 03:51 PM (/b8+5)

443
BREAKING:
Christopher Samir Zawahri name of shooter in Santa Monica mass
shooting; murdered his father Samir Zawahri and younger brother John
http://tinyurl.com/mxtn4oq

Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 03:55 PM (/b8+5)

444 Too funny. Around here people went up to the tv when
they got up, and said "good morning NSA guys and girls". I mean
everyone. That was the joke of the day.


Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 03:46 PM (/b8+5)

Do you live in a group home?

Posted by: Tami at June 08, 2013 04:00 PM (X6akg)

445 Posted by: Tami at June 08, 2013 04:00 PM (X6akg)

Are you ok? Cause really that is the most bizarre conclusion to draw. But, I guess you don't go home to visit family on the weekend.

Posted by: caustic at June 08, 2013 04:05 PM (/b8+5)

446 'Security' is in itself an illusion. It's great as a concept, but no system is or can be rendered 100% safe from 100% of all threats.

Furthermore, the concept that there is a tradeoff between 'Security' and 'Privacy' is outright bullshit. The first and most effective step to making any system more secure is to limit the amount of knowledge about said person or system to only those who need to know (i.e.: keep your passwords and combinations secret. Keep your valuables locked up and out of sight, etc.). If that's not the definition of privacy then what is?

Furthermore... why does the government get to keep secrets but we don't?

Posted by: chaz at June 08, 2013 04:28 PM (sSNkG)

447 81 Do libs really want to go down this path? Their sacred "right" to abortion is predicated on the notion of privacy being stretched to it's absolute limit. If I don't even have the right to privacy when sending a picture to my husband, I sure as hell don't have it when I want to kill my child.
Posted by: Lauren at June 08, 2013 12:28 PM (wsGWu) "

Exactly what I've been thinking for the last couple of days, too. The Left (and some idjits on the Right, too) are saying privacy's over-rated; I guess I missed the memo where abortion wassuddenly illegal in this country.I guess some "privacy" are more equal than others?

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 08, 2013 04:36 PM (KL49F)

448 125 Miss me yet?
Posted by: Josef Stalin at June 08, 2013 12:50 PM (AWmfW)

Get off my lawn!
Posted by: Joseph Goebbels at June 08, 2013 12:55 PM (aDwsi)


Oh, for fuck sakes, not these two again.

Posted by: Chairman Mao at June 08, 2013 04:39 PM (3sZO1)

449 Or to put my last post in far fewer words:

'If privacy is so unimportant then why is everyone trying to keep secrets!?'

Posted by: chaz at June 08, 2013 04:41 PM (sSNkG)

450 So I'm suppose to trust a government that has already shown it's
willingness to target American citizens for their religious and
political beliefs to NOT track my movements and phone usage via metadata
from Verizon. To track my internet usage, email, skype, facebook etc.
via PRISM? How big of a fool do they take me for?

Posted by: wrg500 at June 08, 2013 04:41 PM (HTY5/)

451 @446 - that's not the kind of 'security' he's talking about - he's talking about public safety.

What happened is this (and yes, it started under Bush): the administration decided that:

a) 9/11 was utterly catastrophic and damaging to the country

b) The public will put up with, nay, demand, every possible step be taken to prevent another one

c) The public doesn't want a dialogue about this, better to ask forgiveness than permission.

d) But the one thing we cannot do is offend the grievance-mongers by targeting certain groups in a manner effective enough to do any good.

Remember, the Bush administration - perhaps to drum up public support for a response - helped promote the maudlin American self-pity after 9/11, the whole 'why do they hate us?' nonsense. The Bush administration gave us the risible 'religion of peace' silliness. The Bush administration started clapping 'enemy combatants' in Guantanamo but then tied itself in a ridiculous, endless lawfare tangle over what to do with them until the courts finally intervened.

The difference between Bush and Obama in their genuflection to the political correctness industry has merely been one of degree.


Posted by: JEM at June 08, 2013 05:04 PM (o+SC1)

452
Love the little gif cartoon, PurpAv.

Very late to the thread...
I agree that 100% security is unattainable...unless we lock ourselves away in padded cells.

Posted by: wheatie at June 08, 2013 05:12 PM (ZiafE)

453 In the future, everyone will be nude on the internet for 15 megabytes.

Posted by: A. Warhole at June 08, 2013 05:25 PM (j3y6O)

454 Since the shooter in SM grew a beard, I suspect a religious reason other than Orthodox Christianity.


Posted by: PJ at June 08, 2013 05:33 PM (ZWaLo)

455 Outside of a Sheriffs Department and a strong military, I`ll take 0% security and 100% freedom.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at June 08, 2013 05:46 PM (uOxBm)

456 Soooo... they've got us.?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at June 08, 2013 02:57 PM (DPdf7)

No. the part they're forgetting is that 23 million of us have the training and will to snatch a bitch up by the throat, apply lethal force and hide the body with 0 forensic trail.

Posted by: tangonine at June 08, 2013 06:13 PM (x3YFz)

457 Hah... your liberal ass just wrote an essay about how evil America is, while you're wearing black socks and sandals... Yer like screaming at the universe about global warming and hitting your bong.

Then *poof* yer fucking gone.

heh.

Posted by: tangonine at June 08, 2013 06:20 PM (x3YFz)

458 Ever hear of the mf Industrial Revolution, dickwad??? Who is this idiot again???

Posted by: MikeD at June 08, 2013 01:33 PM (iZiIb)


A jackasswho thinks that history began when he was born and will end when he dies.

Posted by: steveegg at June 08, 2013 06:32 PM (o44nj)

459 "449
Or to put my last post in far fewer words:



'If privacy is so unimportant then why is everyone trying to keep secrets!?'

Posted by: chaz at June 08, 2013 04:41 PM (sSNkG)"
Funny! The gubmint wants privacy for *their* spying on *our* privacy. Can't make this stuff up!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 08, 2013 07:52 PM (KL49F)

460 Amendment the Third - but who needs soldiers 24-7 to eavesdrop when NSA can just use the magic of technology.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at June 08, 2013 08:19 PM (/RKB+)

461 rightlysouthern, thats exactly what I was just thinking.

Posted by: sneaky little five-eyes at June 08, 2013 09:24 PM (SwHqo)

462 Society is becoming more transparent as government grows more opaque.

Posted by: stratusaugustus at June 08, 2013 09:40 PM (gKzBE)

463 When I hear President Obama more or less saying the choice is between privacy and security, I don't think he means privacy. I think he means freedom. And someone--probably Churchill--said something to the effect that if one chooses between security and freedom, one gets neither.

Oh, and yeah: any conservative who speaks out loud enough or stands up high enough is going to be targeted for extra special attention. You all know this, right? Catherine Engelbrecht of True The Vote is one of the first of many.

If my name doesn't appear on the enemies list of a government creepy and authoritarian enough to keep an enemies list, I'm not trying hard enough.

Posted by: troyriser at June 08, 2013 10:02 PM (ptcFO)

464 He is right, he and Obummer are retards and the way they put it is wrong as stated by many of the posters here 100% security is impossible, so why is he right well here's why.
This is the information age with the advent of the digital revolution everything you do is put in the cloud as some form of data, the internet just allows quick and easy access to that data.
Use a debit or credit card? Pay for everything in cash? If you answer yes to the first and no to the second your buying habits are being tracked and used by companies.
Have a cell phone? If yes, your location, calling habits and who you call are being collected and used.
Have a car with Onstar, Sync or any other connection to the outside world? See above you are being tracked.
Have cable with a set top box? Or do you use online services such as Hulu, Netflix, Amazon? You are being tracked.
So who is using this data? The NSA the Government? No private companies are and they buy that data from your bank, your supermarket, Facebook, your internet provider, cell provider, Google and every other company you deal wit daily.
They then data mine it to find out who you are, where you are, how old you are, male or female, who your friends are, what is your political preference everything about you they know. These people make the NSA look like amateurs.
So am I saying no big deal let the Government do what they want? No what I am saying is it is to late the horse left the barn 20 or more years ago and we should be asking different questions such as.
1. Is this data being used for political purposes? And if it is how exactly?
2. What is the current definition of a terrorist by this Administration? Why ask this? Well remember in Missouri there version of homeland security published a threat assessment that stated any Libertarian, Tea parties or any conservative as well as Vets were potential terrorist's? And we have seen this in Federal level briefs also remember Homeland security uses reports from Org's like SPLC to generate their threat list's. This may be why half the population of the U.S. is targeted by PRISM.
Bottom line at least for me personally, I could give a shit if the NSA is collecting data on me it is to late to worry about that, what I do want to know is am I on the IRS's or any other Federal or state agencies shit list based on data collected by this and if so why? Could it be because of my political beliefs?

Posted by: Oldcrow at June 08, 2013 10:06 PM (iWsVI)

465 James Watt, 20th century inventor.

Posted by: RobinGoodfellow at June 08, 2013 10:43 PM (JQ6Fe)

466 Well if "privacy" is an outdated concept then isn't abortion? After all, the Supreme Court based its legal interpretation of abortion rights entirely on a woman's right to privacy?

Posted by: Sidney Allen Johnson at June 09, 2013 10:54 AM (Mwkvh)






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