Howard Kurtz Screws Up Yet Again, But This Time He's Fired, Because He Offended the Left's Gay Lobby

There's no doubt, none at all, that Howie Kurtz is a bit of an idiot and says lots of foolish things.

But what makes this time any different? Ah, well it's because this time he offended the left's current top-banana on the Victimization/PC Protection pyramid.

What did he say? Oh, something stupid and dumb and about Jason Collins. Specifically-- he claimed that Jason Collins left something big out of his Sports Illustrated confessional about being gay.

Specifically, Kurtz alleged that Collins' Sports Illustrated confessional failed to disclose that...

"He was engaged. To be married. To a woman."

Now, I would never normally link the Huffington Post, but this is a real zinger so I will. Below, an excerpt from the SI piece -- early in it, I believe -- in which Collins completely omits mentioning his previous engagement to a woman, except for all the times he mentions it.

Clearly Kurtz erred, and rather dumbly. But he does this a lot, and no one's had a problem with it in the past.

Why now?

I think it's pretty obvious -- Jason Collins is now the Gay Black Sandra Fluke, and therefore now An Hero, and the Left protects its heroes.

And so Howie Kurtz, who did not face even a whit of criticism for proclaiming, without facts or even any reading, that Anthony Weiner was completely innocent and obviously framed, gets fired for a mistake.

But when you make a mistake against the left, it's not a mistake. It's a crime.

I don't have any problem with Jason Collins coming out of the closet. In fact, I think it's a good thing. I'm glad he has. I think it will have some good effects. I think, generally, Truth is better than Lies.

But I do understand the problem the right has, at least up to a point.

The problem is the same one regarding Michelle Obama's much-vaunted beauty. I've said this and I'll say it again: I would never say Michelle Obama is unattractive. I think she's reasonably attractive. Dividing up women of her age, I'd say she's on the "more attractive" side of things. Maybe, I don't know, top 33%.

She's not an unattractive woman at all.

The problem comes when someone who is modestly attractive, and yet beloved by the left as An Hero For Us All, gets the Full Tonguebath treatment and we have to hear again, and again, and again, and again, and again until our ears begin to bleed, that this is not merely a modestly attractive woman, but in fact one of the most sublimely and incandescently beautiful women to ever bless the soil of the earth with the sweat of her lovely foot.

This is where Truth becomes Lie -- and furthermore, it's truth that becomes a highly politicized lie, not an inoffensive or anodyne white lie, but a Lie With An Agenda. And that agenda is forcing you to assent to the Group's Lie in order to demonstrate yourself as Loyal to the Group or as an Outsider who is to be Ostracized for Failing to Demonstrate His Loyalty Upon Request.

It's a Weaponized Falsehood, a Shibboleth, a Loyalty Oath, that requires you to Assent to Falsehood or become a Martyr for Honesty.

This is the right's problem with Jason Collins (or let me say: this is the understandable and defensible and quite-proper problem with Jason Collins' disclosure; I do not defend other objections).

It's not that he hasn't done something that took a bit of guts here. He has. At the end of a career, or the likely end of a career, he did gamble a little on whether or not he'd be ostracized for his admission.

But by acknowledging this took some guts I do not agree that he demonstrated the courage of Audie Murphy, to be celebrated throughout the annals of history as The One Who Dared All.

I think he dared some. Some. An amount for which I do think he should be afforded some applause.

But let's lighten up on claiming he's the One Who Dared, just like we should probably lighten up on overstatements about Michelle Obama's real, and yet not truly extraordinary, attractiveness.

One cannot also fail to notice that other attractive women -- Ann Romney? Are you kidding me? 60 years old?! How hot is she? -- are not praised for their beauty as the left's and the media's (but I repeat myself) darling is, and Lila Rose will not be praised for her own show of guts in defying the People Who Actually Control the Media and Will Blacken Your Name if You Thwart Them.

Jason Collins did show guts -- and he does have to fear some negative consequences from teammates.

But this is a tiny group, and in two years, if not two months, he won't even have teammates to worry about any more.

But Lila Rose defied those with genuine power, and who will have power, it seems, forever.

If I can admit there may be heroes worthy of praise that the left wishes to celebrate, can the left and the media (but I repeat myself) ever confess that there just may be some individuals of courage, deserving of some approbation, on the right as well?

But of course not. But of course not.

Posted by: Ace at 04:18 PM



Comments

1 He's gay.

Who gives a fuck.

Posted by: Skip Tracer at May 02, 2013 04:19 PM (2+bRt)

2 Andrew Sullivan would.

Posted by: mallfly at May 02, 2013 04:21 PM (bJm7W)

3 Well, it is nice to see the Groupthink of the Left on parade.

Posted by: Miss Marple at May 02, 2013 04:21 PM (GoIUi)

4 sweat of her lovely foot


EWWWWWW!

BTW, as a Southron Gentleman (TM) I was educated by my elders to understand that, "Horses sweat, men perspire, and women glow."

Posted by: Country Singer at May 02, 2013 04:22 PM (cnmE6)

5 So now Chewy is top 33%?

Posted by: Shonuff at May 02, 2013 04:22 PM (jo0fs)

6 I wonder how most people who are gay would respond to this? Would the gay folks over at "Gay Patriot" think Collins is a hero just because he came out? As far as courage Lila Rose has it all over Collins. She'll be getting death threats, I expect. Collins will be feted and fawned over by liberals and probably won't be getting death threats from conservatives.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 04:22 PM (INYkK)

7 Kurtz has always beenan idiot. Anyone else sick of hearing all this gay shit. I.Don't.Care. just stop shoving it in my face 24/7.

Posted by: Infidel at May 02, 2013 04:23 PM (O/fK8)

8 Who is Lila Rose, again?

Posted by: The Orcs in Lord of the Rings at May 02, 2013 04:23 PM (D/fQ0)

9 Howard Kurtz really isn't such a bad guy, relatively speaking. I've never got mean vibe from him, that I get from the smirkers like at MSPMS. Maybe that is why he was let go- people like me don't think he's such a bad guy (and the left does, and did). The few times I would watch him, for a liberal, he came across as fair/

Posted by: Baldy at May 02, 2013 04:23 PM (tyDFN)

10 Well, Preezy is two-for-two. Personal call to Sandra Fluke because RUSH, and call to Jason Collins because HEROIC.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2013 04:24 PM (lVPtV)

11 Off sock

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 02, 2013 04:24 PM (D/fQ0)

12 But look at what he got fired FROM. The firing itself is not such a horrid stain on the resume.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at May 02, 2013 04:24 PM (epxV4)

13 I don't care that he's gay. In this day and age and where he is in his career arc,
1.1 minutes a game, I don't even think it took all that much guts. What I do
mind is the media clubbing me over the head day and night.
I don't care. What I care about is him missing that last layup that cost me the
bet because his team didn't cover the spread.

Posted by: Roman Maroni at May 02, 2013 04:24 PM (fJS4a)

14 Collins is the Gay Black Sandra Fluke,

so

Sandra Fluke must be

The Gay White Sandra Fluke.

Do I have that correct?

Posted by: Pastorius at May 02, 2013 04:25 PM (gMAUH)

15 @6 - The folks at Gay Patriot do not think he's a hero. They had a post about it the other day.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at May 02, 2013 04:25 PM (vg8iE)

16 >>>Howard Kurtz really isn't such a bad guy, relatively speaking. I've never got mean vibe from him, that I get from the smirkers like at MSPMS

yeah I agree with that. But he is dopey and dim, and dumbly toes the lefty line, just because that line is Safe Harbor for those who aren't very smart.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 04:25 PM (LCRYB)

17 Just remember, Howard...all that lefty stuff is just something conservatives IMAGINE.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 02, 2013 04:26 PM (OL96w)

18 >>> The folks at Gay Patriot do not think he's a hero. They had a post about it the other day.

who cares what those faggits say?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 04:26 PM (LCRYB)

19 Every City in the country has a Gay Pride parade. The last brave gay guy to come out of the closet was sometime back in the Nineties.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 04:26 PM (ZshNr)

20
actually i'm the duely elected top gay banana

Posted by: The gay lesbian and transgendered banana organization at May 02, 2013 04:26 PM (7IE/u)

21 Lila Rose-America pro-life activist, Founder of LiveAction and has been producing undercover videos of people going to abortion clinics being told of the ways they will an dispose of babies 24 weeks on on born alive:

Picture:

http://tinyurl.com/chvhzhf

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 04:27 PM (INYkK)

22 20 the gay lesbian and transgendered banana

i think you are a plantain

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 02, 2013 04:27 PM (GVxQo)

23 Looks like IAH has provided another data point that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with one.

It seems these looneys commit suicide as soon as they meet armed resistance almost every time.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 04:27 PM (t06LC)

24 I had to google Lila Rose and promptly found a link to Media Matters. She's a hottie and the MM article is stoopid. About as one might expect, actually.

Posted by: mallfly at May 02, 2013 04:28 PM (bJm7W)

25 Michelle Obama also courageously defended stabbing babies in the necks and sucking out their brains. That,alone pushes her into Klingon territory.

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 04:28 PM (wsGWu)

26 2 things I don't care about: who's gay and what Kurtz does or says

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 04:28 PM (9Bj8R)

27 I quite enjoy the posts from "Gay Patriot" I just didn't see what they commented on Collins. I didn't think they would think he was a hero. I should have stated that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 04:28 PM (INYkK)

28
I am sorry, but Collins was not even the first "gay" athlete. There are a lot of women athletes out of the closet. European soccer has had gay soccer players. Hell, even Wrestling has had gay wrestlers.

But you know the NBA is going to make sure he is sitting on a bench on one of the teams, even if he is a washed up journeyman that would have retired after being cut.

Posted by: rd at May 02, 2013 04:29 PM (D+lxs)

29 The media is the root of our problems.

We must take over, boycott, and/or replace it or we lose everything.

Posted by: GardenGnome at May 02, 2013 04:29 PM (z6Elp)

30 Howard Kurtz? Jason Collins?

Posted by: Normal People Everywhere at May 02, 2013 04:29 PM (pmsMR)

31 Ace,

It's vital to differentiate between the society in which Jason Collins functions and the larger society as a whole.

In the rarefied atmosphere of professional sports, what he did does take some guts...because he will be ostracized and attacked behind the scenes.

In the real world, most people will think, "who gives a shit?" and move on.

We are being asked to glorify and exult this dude because the overwhelmingly minority culture in which he moves is rabidly anti-gay. But because that can never be admitted, they tar the rest of us poor schmucks with that brush.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 04:30 PM (/WLC3)

32 i think you are a plantain

only when the lights go down

Posted by: The gay lesbian and transgendered banana organization at May 02, 2013 04:30 PM (7IE/u)

33 Howie Kurtz and that Mountain Dew commercial. We no longer have a 'pop' culture. Instead its a poop culture. Time to flush and start again? A Renaissance to counter this descent into something Kafka or Orwell would think of as a nightmare.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 04:30 PM (ULEme)

34 >>>who cares what those faggits say?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 04:26 PM (LCRYB)


Hilarious, but just watch this completely sail over people's heads.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 04:30 PM (bcLhD)

35 I think it's pretty obvious -- Jason Collins is now the Gay Black Sandra Fluke, and therefore now An Hero, and the Left protects its heroes.

Does this make Fluke the new Cindy Sheehan?

There can be only one.

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 04:31 PM (evdj2)

36
The publicists are comparing Jason Collins to Jackie Robinson.

God help me, I'm about to stroke out.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 04:31 PM (DlaLh)

37 i think you are a plantain


You nazi haters wouldn't know this but we stopped calling ourselves plantains in the '60s. We are now developmentally-challenged bananas.

Posted by: A Developmentally-Challenged Banana at May 02, 2013 04:31 PM (8ZskC)

38 He should have posted as "Andrew Sullivan" to make the line funnier.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 04:31 PM (INYkK)

39 >> I think he dared some. Some. An amount for which I do think he should be afforded some applause.

Martina Navratilova came out in 1981. That took guts.

Maybe it's just me, but 2013 America is the gayest place on the planet at any time in history ever.

For a guy 99% of people had never heard of to come out and grab 15 minutes of fame at the end of his playing career doesn't strike me as a particularly Gutsy Call in this environment.

Posted by: Andy at May 02, 2013 04:31 PM (QDCtP)

40 Hey, we praise Chris Cristy and John McCain all the time!

Posted by: Mainstream Fucking Media at May 02, 2013 04:31 PM (OZmbA)

41 "She's not an unattractive woman at all."


Ok, she's no Eleanor Roosevelt, but still...


Maybe we have different standards, or perhaps she just doesn't photograph well.

Posted by: HH at May 02, 2013 04:31 PM (XXwdv)

42
Howard Kurtz Screws Up Yet Again, But This Time He's Fired, Because He Offended the Left's Gay Lobby

I enjoy blue on blue (Red on Red) fratricide. I really do.

I can't wait for the Mother of All Red on Red Shitslinging to start here in California between active members of the teacher's union and the retired ones when there's not enough money to pay them both. I think Big Popcorn is behind this.

Posted by: Stanley Ann Dunham at May 02, 2013 04:32 PM (IDSI7)

43 Top 33% for Ms. Ewing?

Hokay.

Whatevah floats your boat.

Posted by: eureka! at May 02, 2013 04:32 PM (2N3Bs)

44 I think, generally, Truth is better than Lies.

Clearly, a man who has not been married.

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 04:32 PM (evdj2)

45 Did the pole smoker mention the 8 year engagement, or did I just miss it?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2013 04:32 PM (GFM2b)

46 So now Chewy is top 33%?


ace, you need to get laid. I've noticed that when it's been a while, women seem more attractive. That's a clue to myself.

Really? Patricia Ewing?

Posted by: fluffy at May 02, 2013 04:32 PM (z9HTb)

47 "When I was younger, I dated women. I even got engaged."

The above doesn't necessarily translate to: I was engaged up till the moment I came out of the closet, at which time my fiancee learned with the rest of the public that I play for the other team.

It could be interpreted as: I was engaged in the past. Which is what I would have taken it to mean if I didn't have any other details.

Not saying Howard Kurtz isn't stupid, but still.

I, for one, welcome our ghey overlords.

(I have to, otherwise I may be persecuted, it seems.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 04:32 PM (6zgse)

48 I just finished watching a true show where a nose gunner in a b-17 was shot, but with his dying strength crawled to the nose gun and downed a Japanese fighter that was head-on strafing his plane. So forgive me if I dont find much heroism in a guy whose only act of bravery is taking dicks in his ass and then making a big deal about it in sports illustrated. How I long for a time when this kabuki-theater garbage of treating gays like heroes is over and done with.

Posted by: The Drizzle at May 02, 2013 04:33 PM (ysCLj)

49 From the last comments, since I had to step away for a while -

325 That's not what he said Junior. His commentary were bad enough (and in response to a no win question) without you inflating them.
--------------------------
Then enlighten me, by all means. Tell me what he really said. Don't just leave me hanging with a brief"Nuh-uh!"

Because what I heard from Akin was an inane and insane comment about the female body being able to keep itself from getting pregnant in the case of rape.

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 04:33 PM (UWFpX)

50 Right now, there's a 25th man sitting on an MLB bench wondering if it counts that he used to sit on his creepy uncle's lap.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 04:33 PM (ZshNr)

51
I would never say Michelle Obama is unattractive. I think she's reasonably attractive. Dividing up women of her age, I'd say she's on the "more attractive" side of things. Maybe, I don't know, top 33%.
She's not an unattractive woman at all.


Two words: "Opto" and "metry."

Posted by: Stanley Ann Dunham at May 02, 2013 04:33 PM (IDSI7)

52 >>>who cares what those faggits say?Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 04:26 PM (LCRYB)Hilarious, but just watch this completely sail over people's heads.

Giveus a hint. Is the humor found in the mispelling of "faggots?" A quote from Boondock Saints?

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 02, 2013 04:33 PM (D/fQ0)

53 Damn sock.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 02, 2013 04:33 PM (IDSI7)

54
The stick is in the eye of the bee holder.

Posted by: My Fair Lady at May 02, 2013 04:33 PM (jKWYf)

55 @41

I'd put her around 50%. Shes not fugly, not anything to write home about.

She doesn't exactly have the face to launch a thousand Birds of Prey or anything.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 04:33 PM (t06LC)

56 Dividing up women of her age, I'd say she's on the "more attractive" side of things. Maybe, I don't know, top 33%.

Wow. Between reading books on serial killing for the scenery and now this, all I can say is, "Seek medical attention immediately."

Encephalitis, maybe that new killer bird flu, something that causes delusions...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at May 02, 2013 04:34 PM (PMGbu)

57 Dividing up women of her age, I'd say she's on the "more attractive" side of things. Maybe, I don't know, top 33%.

Comparing her to other black women her age, I have to disagree, Ace. She is no beauty, but I think she has a decent figure.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 04:34 PM (6zgse)

58 Mooch'es feetsare big.

Posted by: tony redenzo at May 02, 2013 04:34 PM (Vodnq)

59 Jason Collins could not wear Martina Navratilova's strap-on

Posted by: liberace at May 02, 2013 04:34 PM (D+lxs)

60 Pretty boy Collins as first gay athlete? Hardly.

So even the sports media has flushed Billy Jean King and her being forced out in 1981 during a palimony lawsuit by her secretary and partner Barnett down the memory hole.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 04:34 PM (ULEme)

61 Based on Broussard and Kurtz, it is much more dangerous to question homosexuality than to admit to it. The new brave.

Posted by: Beagle at May 02, 2013 04:35 PM (sOtz/)

62 Okay, I gotta tell ya. What I find attractive about Michelle Obama is how she's capable of doing so much as a single mother.

Posted by: Fritz at May 02, 2013 04:35 PM (G9Mmf)

63 So Jason Collins is rumored to once sleep with Moochelle.... who was the top?

Posted by: Yip at May 02, 2013 04:35 PM (/jHWN)

64 Who the bloody hell is Jason whatever? and why the fuck should the whole world know or care who he is nailing? Is this required info? Do we all have to stand up and confess we are sleeping with someone? I am so fucking sick of listening to the gay mafia decide what is important and what is not. Benghazi? Gosnell? Commie rallies?Amnesty? Bombers?No!!! that shit doesn't matter. What matters most is that some guy no one ever heard of is fucking other guys. E-FUCKING-NOUGH ALREADY.

Posted by: madamemayhem at May 02, 2013 04:35 PM (S2RnE)

65 Yea...Yeah one guy is gay and the other a Joooo BFD! I stopped giving a fuck.....ALWAYS!!


That whats amazing, its that these people really think that people give two shits what they have to say and who they are fuckin. Unless your a complete friggin pop-culture dolt (i know half the country is) or in LSM or "Sports" and entertainment....no one cares.



Posted by: dananjcon at May 02, 2013 04:35 PM (jvd3N)

66 Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 04:33 PM (UWFpX)

Wrong thread, junior.

Posted by: fluffy at May 02, 2013 04:35 PM (z9HTb)

67 Have they called Ace about replacing Kurtz?

Posted by: Jean at May 02, 2013 04:35 PM (+NNlC)

68 Headline: Daily Beast Hating on a Jew

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 02, 2013 04:36 PM (BVkEs)

69 .....So forgive me if I dont find much heroism in a guy whose only act of bravery is taking dicks in his ass and then making a big deal about it in sports illustrated. How I long for a time when this kabuki-theater garbage of treating gays like heroes is over and done with.....

Amen.

Posted by: Skip Tracer at May 02, 2013 04:36 PM (2+bRt)

70 Not caring about Jason Collins violates the civil rights of millions.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 04:36 PM (ZshNr)

71 Michelle Obama, physically, is NOT one of the Medusans from that Star Trek episode. You know, the aliens that were so hideous they had to be carried around in coolers because a single glimpse would drive people insane. She's not that.

However, the ugliness of her soul more than makes up for her moderate appearance.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 02, 2013 04:36 PM (xjpRj)

72 The way forward for Kurtz is clear: he has to call by coming out of the closet, and also announcing that he's discovered that he is part black, and then raise by saying he is in rehab.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 02, 2013 04:37 PM (IDSI7)

73 Broke back, back board?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 04:37 PM (9Bj8R)

74 Kurtz was wrong but in a way accurate - the SI piece did not hide the fact that he had dated and was engaged to a woman - but the mass coverage of the SI piece did omit these relevant facts*. He's guilty of failing to read the SI piece thoroughly before commenting on it.


* relevant, yes. Ever notice that when a "gay" celebrity cause has a spotty record of homosexuality, dabbling in heterosexuality, it is framed as if that person was "living a lie" and was always secretly super gay because we can't admit that if you're gay you were born 100% super gay? Like how Anne Heche sort of faded away as the standard bearer for the cause when she resumed fucking dudes who aren't Ellen Degeneres?

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 02, 2013 04:37 PM (nnkXw)

75 The one thing that pisses me off about Jason Curtis is that he has set the bar impossibly high for us normal guys.

Used to be that you had to be wealthy and/or famous to bag an attractive broad. Now you have to be wealthy, moderately famous and gay?

/slits wrists

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 02, 2013 04:37 PM (SY2Kh)

76 I think Big Popcorn is behind this.

I am so stealing this.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 02, 2013 04:37 PM (PkYpQ)

77 ... can the left and the media (but I repeat myself) ever confess that there just may be some individuals of courage, deserving of some approbation, on the right as well?

But of course not. But of course not.


They give approbation, Ace. Why, just look at David Frum. He's plenty courageous. And Megan McCain. For crying out loud, get with the program.

Posted by: Matticus at May 02, 2013 04:37 PM (0Mr4u)

78 What RG3 said applies perfectly here. What Kurtz did wasn't offensive so much as stupid and lazy. He's been this for quite a while, but we caught the brunt of it up until now.

Posted by: Dave S. at May 02, 2013 04:37 PM (/BwGa)

79 Err... Jason Collins.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 02, 2013 04:37 PM (SY2Kh)

80
You know, the aliens that were so hideous they had to be carried around in coolers because a single glimpse would drive people insane.

Nobody said anything about coolers. Paper bags, sure, but not coolers.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 02, 2013 04:37 PM (IDSI7)

81 >>You nazi haters wouldn't know this but we stopped calling ourselves plantains in the '60s. We are now developmentally-challenged bananas.

Ahem. What about our heritage??

Posted by: Wise Latina Banana at May 02, 2013 04:38 PM (SUKHu)

82 OT: But I have to bring it up. What happened two years ago on this date?

That's right, bitches!

GERONIMO. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY. GERONIMO.

USA!
USA!
USA!
USA!
USA!
USA!

Posted by: waldo at May 02, 2013 04:38 PM (sXWmd)

83 ace with your standard of attractiveness you should have a large pool of women you can choose from.

Michelle Obama could be a life long conservative and President of the Ronald Reagan foundation and there is no way I would consider her attractive. She may be a half of percentage point more attractive than Hillary.

That said, I can name a dozen Hollywood women who are supposed to be attractive but my eyes say otherwise.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 04:38 PM (m2CN7)

84 Based on Broussard and Kurtz, it is much more dangerous to question homosexuality than to admit to it. The new brave.
Posted by: Beagle at May 02, 2013 04:35 PM (sOtz/)


+100

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 04:38 PM (evdj2)

85 Yeah I think stringing a woman along for seven years, pretending to be heterosexual, warrants a call from the President when I acknowledge the truth.

In what fucking universe? Somebody flip the dial when I wasn't looking and send me to the inverse?

Posted by: Regular Moron at May 02, 2013 04:38 PM (U2UQk)

86 Not caring about Jason Collins violates the civil rights of millions.


Damn! I was aiming for tens of millions!

Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2013 04:38 PM (GFM2b)

87
Honest injun, the other night I was watching a 40+ yr old episode of KOJAK that dealt with homosexuality.

In the words of Dave at Garfield Ridge:

THIS SHIT IS OLD.


Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 04:38 PM (GcwH1)

88 Daily Beast? Never heard of it..

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at May 02, 2013 04:38 PM (/jHWN)

89 What I don't get is how a guy can fake being strait with a fiance FOR EIGHT YEARS.

How is that even possible? Being a man, if you aren't attracted to the person you're gonna have sex with, it becomes somewhat obvious. Does he have some kind of super imagination? Freebase viagra? Role play where he called his girlfriend "Steve"? And she never had a clue?

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 04:38 PM (t06LC)

90 O/T

Crazy Joe Biden Outdoes Himself – Talks About ‘Deliverance’ Man Rape to Domestic Violence Support Network

http://tinyurl.com/d6fzzxp

Posted by: kbdabear at May 02, 2013 04:38 PM (mCvL4)

91 Gay science has taught us that genes are all-determinative and utterly irrelevant at the same time. Because homophobia.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 04:39 PM (ZshNr)

92
Oh c'mon now

Who the fuck isn't gay? Its all I hear about anymore

Posted by: Bigby's Golf-Clapping Hands at May 02, 2013 04:39 PM (3ZtZW)

93 I think Big Popcorn is behind this.



I am so stealing this.



Ditto. Great line.

Posted by: fluffy at May 02, 2013 04:39 PM (z9HTb)

94 Praise the gay, or go away. Courage. Tolerance. - MSM

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 02, 2013 04:39 PM (BVkEs)

95 "Tell me what he really said"

First of all, from what I understand from doctors, (pregnancy from rape) is really rare,"  (True statement)
"
If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down." (False and stupid statement but."legitimate" in the statement refers to an actual rape vs a false claim of rape which you misrepresented)

" “But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something. I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child." (Obviously bumbling opening that refers to his ignorance of biology, but otherwise a main stream pro life argument)

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 04:39 PM (wsGWu)

96 Ace loves big butts, he cannot lie.

Posted by: mesablue at May 02, 2013 04:39 PM (3ZdkQ)

97 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 04:30 PM (/WLC3)


Delurking...


A 1000x this!


The black community has been smeared (rightly/wrongly) as being homophobic. Then you add the NBA, a sport that is predominantly black, toss in Jason Collins' admission that he is a Christian (black church has been attacked as being homophobic) and you get the media stating this is sooooo HUGE! It puts a spotlight on sports and the black community.


By the way, the last time the black community dealt with homosexuality was when the "down low" phenomenon was exposed. People were wondering why so many black women between the ages of 18-45 had such a high HIV infection rate and we found out why. First thing the black gay community did was play victim and call the black community and churches homophobic. I am so disgusted by all of it!

Posted by: I Be That Chick at May 02, 2013 04:39 PM (53qPJ)

98
All this Black shit, this gay shit, this Occupy shit, this immigrant shit,

it's all Old Shit that the Left has been hammering us with for decades.


Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 04:40 PM (vzLhi)

99 Breaking: I Still Don't Give a Shit.

Posted by: Milesdei at May 02, 2013 04:40 PM (NnGzp)

100 Well, if we're taking a poll who was the bravest in 2012, I would vote for Ambassador Stevens.

Posted by: Liberty Lover at May 02, 2013 04:40 PM (encrR)

101
So many things to say about the post, but the main point, The Pyramid of Diversity and Victimhood (tm) sometimes surprises us with its victims.

Kurtz is nowhere near the peak of that thing, he should have known better.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 02, 2013 04:40 PM (jKWYf)

102 But yeah, Howard Kurtz being fired for being the tiniest bit critical of a gay guy. Who could have seen that coming?

This from a paper that has no coverage worth mentioning of Gosnell, Benghazi, Islamic terrorism, etc, etc, etc.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 02, 2013 04:40 PM (xjpRj)

103 I am certainly not brave enough to put a dude's dick in my mouth.

So, I guess... congratulations?

Otherwise, I'm just not seeing the accomplishment or trail-blazing going on here. Somebody was going to be the first black gay NBA player. That someone was Magic Johnson. Put an asterisk by Collins' name for being the first to admit it.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 04:41 PM (CJjw5)

104 >>>What I don't get is how a guy can fake being strait with a fiance FOR EIGHT YEARS.

because most people do not want to be gay and will lie to themselves and others in an effort to Not Be Gay.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 04:41 PM (LCRYB)

105 1 He's gay.

Who gives a fuck.
Posted by: Skip Tracer at May 02, 2013 04:19 PM (2+bRt)


THIS. SO MUCH THIS.

Congratulations Jason. You suck dicks. Big accomplishment, why, nobody in the history of ever has sucked a dick before! What's that? In your where? You ass? NO! Why, you're a hero to rival Hercules!

If my dick isn't involved, not one fuck do I give.

Posted by: Weirddave at May 02, 2013 04:41 PM (aH+zP)

106 Well, if we're taking a poll who was the bravest in 2012, I would vote for Ambassador Stevens.<<<<

Well at least those who died fighting to save him. or equal billing at least.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 02, 2013 04:41 PM (jKWYf)

107 @66 Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 04:33 PM (UWFpX)Wrong thread, junior.
---------------------------------
Apparently. But I had to step away after my last post on the subject, and was promptly told (once I was no longer able to read the commentsthread) that I'm either ignorant or a liar (depending on the individual in question), without any further insight being provided by the people making those accusations. I'm genuinely curious as to how my understanding of the statement in question is incorrect.

And since old comment threads die pretty much the moment a new one opens up, good luck on getting a response in that thread...

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 04:41 PM (UWFpX)

108 re 90: in this place, nothing Joe Biden does is off topic. Biden is like seltzer: full of gas and goes with everything.

Posted by: mallfly at May 02, 2013 04:42 PM (bJm7W)

109 Comparing her to other black women her age, I have to disagree, Ace. She is no beauty, but I think she has a decent figure.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 04:34 PM (6zgse)

I will clarify: she is not the top 33%. Maybe 50%. Maybe. And this is after she's had an army of stylists and make-up people working on her.

Her one pic with Barry at the Khalidi dinner was quite frightening.

I think what she has going for her is her figure, which is quite an OK figure. Plus the loads of money she spends on herse;f/

(Yes, I'm quoting myself. Shut up.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 04:42 PM (6zgse)

110 >>>So many things to say about the post, but the main point, The Pyramid of Diversity and Victimhood (tm) sometimes surprises us with its victims.

Kurtz is nowhere near the peak of that thing, he should have known better.

Indeed. Even people on the left need to be acutely aware of their pecking order in the Pyramid of Victim Privilege.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 04:42 PM (LCRYB)

111 Role play where he called his girlfriend "Steve"?

It was Stevie, and I told her I really just liked the song "Leather and Lace." By the way, I shop here. http://tinyurl.com/c5ffdh2

Posted by: Jason Collins at May 02, 2013 04:42 PM (mjR67)

112 "This is where Truth becomes Lie..."

No, the lie started two paragraphs up.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at May 02, 2013 04:43 PM (29vnO)

113 This thread is soooooo ghey.

Posted by: Soona at May 02, 2013 04:43 PM (cRuc4)

114 Some good news today (via Drudge):
An American lawyer representing detainees at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp has been found dead in an apparent suicide.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at May 02, 2013 04:43 PM (wbmaj)

115 >>>"Gay Black Sandra Fluke"

ROTFL!!!This is why I love ace and would proudly wear his skin suit if I was into that kind of thing. Which, just to absolutely clear: I am against.

More specifically, I denounce the wearing of human flesh trophies in All Forms They Take.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at May 02, 2013 04:43 PM (q177U)

116 "I would never say Michelle Obama is unattractive. I think she's reasonably attractive. Dividing up women of her age, I'd say she's on the "more attractive" side of things. Maybe, I don't know, top 33%."

Uggh.

What's the ugliest part of your body? Some say your toes... Some say your nose...

I'm jus' sayin.

Posted by: BlearyTruth at May 02, 2013 04:43 PM (sYLzD)

117 because most people do not want to be gay and will lie to themselves and others in an effort to Not Be Gay.

I guess one could conceivable lie themselves into an erection.

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 04:43 PM (evdj2)

118 But whoever posed as the pregnant woman in those videos is very brave. I've thought of going in pregnant to the PP near by that advertises abortions til 26 weeks. I never did it though because I didn't want to knowingly place my baby in a place that kills children and has no concept of maternal consent, as Gosnell proved.

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 04:43 PM (wsGWu)

119 In the Brave New World of the 21st Century, questioning homosexuality using Christianity,then sit back and watch the fireworks. And find a new job.

Posted by: puddleglum at May 02, 2013 04:43 PM (d+Wjy)

120 @95
------------------
Lauren,

Thanks.

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 04:43 PM (UWFpX)

121
But the Left knows it's new shit to the ignorant youngsters, because everything is new to young people.

Every generation has its Lena Dunham crowd that believe they invented sex! Nobody's ever done sex before these young people came along -- they invented sex, much to their parents chagrin.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 04:43 PM (KeJAW)

122 Ace failed to disclose who Lila Rose is. I had to google.

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 02, 2013 04:44 PM (UypUQ)

123 @104

I get that. I'm working through how is that physically possible. Like mechanically speaking. How does Big Ben get erected.

You could toss me in a room with a bunch of objectively attractive males and say go at it, and I'm pretty sure it would be really obvious I'm not gay.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 04:44 PM (t06LC)

124 I strongly support men coming out of the closet as gay. The more the merrier, I say. If enough do so, there will be so many lonely women out therethat they might start showing some interest in me.

/tongue-in-cheek

Posted by: Grey Fox at May 02, 2013 04:44 PM (D/fQ0)

125 Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 04:41 PM (UWFpX)

Old threads die because we no longer find them interesting.

Perhaps you should take that to heart.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 04:44 PM (/WLC3)

126 Michelle Obama is not attractive. She's not even cute.

Posted by: puddleglum at May 02, 2013 04:44 PM (d+Wjy)

127 Truth is better than Lies.

I'm afraid that conflicts with my business model.

And by "business model", I mean my entire life.

Even the true parts are lies.

Posted by: Phinn at May 02, 2013 04:44 PM (3p/jD)

128 I would like to admit that I have been sexting back and forth with the missus all afternoon, and when I get home, I am going to smash that ass until I see some Bozack-Higgs particles on the wall.

Where are my fuckin plaudits?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 04:44 PM (CJjw5)

129 I can't make up my mind about Mrs Obama. The problem is her face is a little smooshed in. But that may look worse in pics than IRL.

I think she's what we'd call handsome or maybe striking back home. Not necessarily pretty, but certainly not ugly.


I have to say, though, that she was stunning in the gown she wore at the Indian State Dinner. Just gorgeous.



I don't see anything brave about a man who is that physically large coming out. He should be well able to defend himself against anyone who dares to "bully" him. What pissed me off about that article is his reference to wearing 98 because of Matthew Shepard. I believe that whole gay hate crime was debunked.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 02, 2013 04:45 PM (PkYpQ)

130 Hey maybe collins can catch on with the Iranian National team and "Hang" around with them for a while?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 04:45 PM (9Bj8R)

131
Michelle Obama....




Hey, what do you think turned me gay?

Bazinga!

Posted by: Jason Collins

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 02, 2013 04:45 PM (kdS6q)

132 More specifically, I denounce the wearing of human flesh trophies in All Forms They Take.
Posted by: Eaton Cox at May 02, 2013 04:43 PM (q177U)

Crap! I was only a few foreskins away from completing my ensemble.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at May 02, 2013 04:45 PM (29vnO)

133 I thought his spending years in the NBA without ever learning to play basketball was pretty gutsy. This, no. It seems like a way of continuing that.

I used to semi-know a couple retired players, and their story was that there have always been known (and/or presumed) gay dudes in the NBA, "one on every team."

The league is a ton of dudes. Some of them are gonna love the cock. And they're gonna see you not chasing the proper ass. Unless there's a crew of way-into-it Muslim players on the same squad, or an official-but-not-officially-official team church (like the famously politically incorrect turn-of-the-century Knicks had), nobody cares. The code is one common to manly endeavors: "Don't advertise, and don't worry." Know what this is, y'know?

People outside "the locker room" think they know what it's like there, what would cause trouble. They're wrong. The place is full of really intense weirdos, and loving the cock is not very weird. You know who's the most mocked outcast on a team? The guy who listens to rock music. That dude is getting shit all over on the bus.

Posted by: oblig. at May 02, 2013 04:45 PM (cePv8)

134 He's so gayHe's so gayHe's very very gayHe's so gayHe's so gayAnd he likes to be that wayWith his keys all on the rightHe's into rubber every nightHe's so gayHe's so gayHe's ALMOST EVERYONE TODAY He's okayHe's okayHe's got a role he wants to playHe's okayHe's okayHe's just a cowboy for a day Of course, his evening's not completeWithout some meat in the seat;Let's skate awayDown Santa Monica today Maybe he wants a little spankingMaybe he'll eat a little chainMaybe his lover should be thanking himFor the way he makes it sprinkleInto drops of GOLDEN RAIN

Posted by: Frank Zappa at May 02, 2013 04:45 PM (DrWcr)

135 Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 04:38 PM (t06LC)

Maybe the money overshadowed the lack of, ahem, reaction to her.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 04:45 PM (6zgse)

136 I just happy I'm not an NBA fan, could you imagine having to hear about this shit every night during the playoffs?? Problems is...I really dig football and over the course of the past few years I'm really getting ticked off w/all the PC bullshit, the wussification off play and what seems to be the impending outing of every alleged pole smoker to strap a helmet on his head. I just want to watch football...X's, O's thats it. No pop culture, No sexual orientation....just football.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 02, 2013 04:45 PM (jvd3N)

137 >>>>BTW, as a Southron Gentleman (TM) I was educated by my elders to understand that, "Horses sweat, men perspire, and women glow."

Well maybe you "southern gentlemen" types "perspire" us western men sweat.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at May 02, 2013 04:45 PM (0q2P7)

138 Meh, Jason Collins is an opportunist, plain and simple. Nothing wrong with that; after all this is America. But the calling him brave stuff the media is doing is a bridge too far.

Posted by: LizLem at May 02, 2013 04:45 PM (8wqqE)

139 Total formatting fail. Sorry.

Posted by: Insomniac at May 02, 2013 04:46 PM (DrWcr)

140 Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 04:44 PM (t06LC)

Okay, but then imagine that you are a dude, and some hot chick wants to bang you.

Perhaps the range of behaviors that define homosexuality aren't so clear cut.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 04:46 PM (/WLC3)

141 Hero's Welcome Party is long organized. Parade is planned to the final detail for years. People are just waiting to shout hosanna's to the object of the glorious celebration. Jason Collins COURAGEOUSLY does the impossible duty of stepping forward to accept the adulation of friends, admirers, and countrymen (while twisting the arm of a billion dollar corporation for just a couple more million sweet sweet cash) because he's such a gotdamn dick swinging hero.

Infantryman braves enemy fire to call down support for 3 injured soldiers, dies on a mountainside in a far away place, comes home alone in a flag draped coffin, but he's a baby killer and tool of the MI complex.

What the fuck ever. Like I give a shit what this retarded ass world thinks anymore anyway.

Posted by: JQP at May 02, 2013 04:46 PM (GVL0g)

142 It would be more courageous to come out now as anti-muzzie or anti-gay and be in teh media or a university. THAT would take courage because they'd be ruined forthwith. Everyone is teh ghey now, so is it really that gib of a deal to step out into the limelight...err.. spotlight? ( at least in the blue-metro areas )

Posted by: Yip at May 02, 2013 04:47 PM (/jHWN)

143 If anyone cares , which no one does, when my buddies start talking about who is hot and who's not, I always give them my baseline to how I think. That is.

I think Kelly Rowland is the hot one and Beyonce doesn't do it for me.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 04:47 PM (m2CN7)

144 Greg Louganis could not be reached for comment.

I have a vague recollection of flipping through TV Guide many years ago when Ellen Degeneres had her sitcom and came out as gay. iirc, the synopsis of every week's episode as listed in the Guide had Ellen outing herself to another important person in her life (i.e. her boss, etc...).

I remember thinking how silly that was even back then.

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 04:47 PM (UWFpX)

145
Will there be any gay black makles who dress up like Jason?

NO. They'll still be doing Diana Ross impersonations, like they always, predictably and boringly, do.

Conclusion: Not even RuPaul gives a shit

Posted by: Bigby's Golf-Clapping Hands at May 02, 2013 04:47 PM (3ZtZW)

146 Definitely different standards on looks.

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 02, 2013 04:47 PM (uhftQ)

147

I highly recommend that documentary by Louis Theroux on male porn stars, many who have to do gay porn. There's all sorts of problems with getting "the money shot" or when they do double penetration and their dick is rubbing up a guy's dick. And many are just lying to themselves. The porn community is also very homophobic and many won't work with guys who do gay porn because they are afraid of HIV.

Posted by: waldo at May 02, 2013 04:47 PM (sXWmd)

148 I think he's faking being gay.

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 04:48 PM (evdj2)

149 I would like to admit that I have been sexting back
and forth with the missus all afternoon, and when I get home, I am going
to smash that ass until I see some Bozack-Higgs particles on the wall.



Where are my fuckin plaudits?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 04:44 PM (CJjw5)

**
Will we get a live podcast of this event?

Posted by: dananjcon at May 02, 2013 04:48 PM (jvd3N)

150 because most people do not want to be gay and will lie to themselves and others in an effort to Not Be Gay.

That makes him sort of national hero for stringing a woman along for seven or eight years (taking her period of greatest ability to procreate and flushing it down the toilet) worthy of a shout out from the Precedent?

I don't think so. He's a dick that can go suck one.

Posted by: Regular Moron at May 02, 2013 04:48 PM (U2UQk)

151 Jason Collins did show guts some savvy to create future job prospects at the end of a mediocre career -- and he does have to fear some negative consequences from teammates juggle several incoming offers from the media as the new hot thing.

FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 02, 2013 04:48 PM (sbV1u)

152 @135

Possible. But from the interview I read she said she really had no idea. I assume she really has no reason to lie (because it kinda makes her look bad) so I take her at her word. Given that, damn. Jason Collins should try out for the CIA if he can keep that kind of charade for that long

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 04:48 PM (t06LC)

153 I rememeber when Brian Boitano came out of the closet.

I was all like "WHAAAAAAT?!!!!!!!"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 04:48 PM (CJjw5)

154 How can the horde not know Lila Rose? She's been doing these PP stings for years. She actually initially worked with James O Keefe while they were both in college to prove that PP was covering up the rape of minors.

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 04:48 PM (wsGWu)

155 Yep, Yep Jason Collins bravery is right up there on par with Dietrich Bonhoeffer/ sarc.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 04:48 PM (INYkK)

156 Indeed. Even people on the left need to be acutely aware of their pecking order in the Pyramid of Victim Privilege.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 04:42 PM (LCRYB)

That's why it's easy being a conservative. That way, regardless of the color of your skin, your gender(s), your sexual orientation, or your wealth, you are always subhuman. Very easy formula.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 04:48 PM (6zgse)

157 Tim Tebow is a freakazoid outcast and Jason Collins is getting calls from the President congratulating him on where he likes to put his sperm. Idiocracy was way too kind to humanity.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 04:48 PM (ZshNr)

158 I would like to admit that I have been sexting back and forth with the missus all afternoon, and when I get home, I am going to smash that ass until I see some Bozack-Higgs particles on the wall.

Where are my fuckin plaudits?Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 04:44 PM (CJjw5)YAY EOJ!!!! Congrats to the missus on her happy future.

Posted by: madamemayhem at May 02, 2013 04:49 PM (S2RnE)

159 Will we get a live podcast of this event?

Posted by: dananjcon at May 02, 2013 04:48 PM (jvd3N)

Not if there is a God.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 04:49 PM (/WLC3)

160 I think it's pretty obvious -- Jason Collins is now the Gay Black Sandra Fluke, and therefore now An Hero,

Where the FK are our heros? Why don't we defend them? Why don't we fight for them?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 04:49 PM (XIxXP)

161 I don't care how many poles he's smoked or salads he's tossed. I would just like it all to go away now.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 02, 2013 04:49 PM (jvd3N)

162 >>>That's why it's easy being a conservative. That way, regardless of the color of your skin, your gender(s), your sexual orientation, or your wealth, you are always subhuman. Very easy formula.

HAH! True. We have no Status Anxiety because we KNOWWWW our f'n' status, right?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 04:50 PM (LCRYB)

163 One year from now someone should hire a private detective to spend two weeks following Collins around. Get on film who he is dating and all that. Bet it will be some smoking hot chick. And Jason will be living with her and off her paycheck.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 04:50 PM (ULEme)

164 I have no doubt that the fact that he was at the end of his career and might not be signed for 2014 , factored into his decision to come out. He and his agent knows that the NBA will now not refuse to sign him because of the backlash potential.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 04:50 PM (m2CN7)

165 Heh.

Apparently CNN is still willing to keep Kurtz though.

Reliable Sources indeed CNN, reliable sources indeed.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at May 02, 2013 04:51 PM (EB8Of)

166 Question not, the Progressive saints!

Posted by: Catechisms of a Secular Faith at May 02, 2013 04:51 PM (XvHmy)

167 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 04:50 PM (ULEme)


Would be interesting. Maybe the thrill of secret dick will go away.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 04:51 PM (XIxXP)

168 @140

Granted, there is manual stimulation and I guess the old imagination can pull you through a few times, but over the course of that time period? I'm not saying he's a liar and thats impossible, I would say highly improbable.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 04:51 PM (t06LC)

169 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 04:44 PM (CJjw5)

Dude.

People talk shit about being married, and the death knell that immediately sounds over your sex life.

As you (and I) know, it can be great.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 04:51 PM (/WLC3)

170 @128

Interesting work.

Posted by: Nobel Prize for Ass-Tapping Particle Acceleration Committee at May 02, 2013 04:51 PM (sOtz/)

171
We're at a point in our nation's history when the definitions of hero and bully have become so broad, there remains no middle ground.


Posted by: soothsayer's rare profundity at May 02, 2013 04:51 PM (FC8Yl)

172
You need to learn your memes.

"An Hero" refers to someone that commits suicide.

Posted by: egd at May 02, 2013 04:51 PM (XVGEg)

173 Lena Dunham is Bisexual White Jason Collins

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at May 02, 2013 04:51 PM (XvrTA)

174 "because most people do not want to be gay and will lie to themselves and others in an effort to Not Be Gay."

_____________________

Eh, that's the frame for now - that the sex of your potential partners is fixed by genes at birth. It's that way because people want to have the moral leverage to argue that there are no alternatives to doing what they feel like doing. That also has the advantage of gaining support of heterosexuals who like to tacitly proclaim that they're 100% straight and born that way by saying the correlative thing about homosexuals. In a twisted way, they're taking advantage of "homophobia."

History and experience emphatically shows us that this is not the case, and that the culture in which one is raised and lives has a lot to do with setting the boundaries of whom one has sex with (child, man, woman, all three, etc.). We'd be foolish to think that as homosexuality is mainstreamed, significantly more people raised in this culture won't express themselves in a homosexual manner - people who a few decades ago wouldn't have done so and would have lived their lives out happily married to a member of the opposite sex without particularly feeling deprived of anything.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 02, 2013 04:51 PM (nnkXw)

175 "In the rarefied atmosphere of professional sports, what he did does take some guts...because he will be ostracized and attacked behind the scenes. "

Where the fuck did people get the opinion that sports professionals were any more bigoted than normal society? Just cause someone is athletic they automatically become a bigot? WTF?

Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 02, 2013 04:52 PM (o5R8U)

176 Maybe O'Reilly can hire him to have someone else to talk over during his shows.

Posted by: Roy at May 02, 2013 04:52 PM (VndSC)

177 That's why it's easy being a conservative. That way, regardless of the color of your skin, your gender(s), your sexual orientation, or your wealth, you are always subhuman. Very easy formula.

*golf clap*

Posted by: Andy at May 02, 2013 04:52 PM (Ras6A)

178 If a guy knocks on my door and bravely tell me he's asexual, implicating that he uses his hand for orgasms I pretty much tell the freak to go away and don't come back. Same with basketball people on TV. And Moochie's good looking? By what standard? Klingon?

Posted by: Up With People! at May 02, 2013 04:52 PM (FmFB3)

179
"I wouldnever say Michelle Obama is unattractive."


Beauty (and therefore attractiveness) is a pretty subjective term. I would say thatquality is almost as dependent on physical beauty as it is on character and charm, neither of which the Mooch has. You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 02, 2013 04:52 PM (osdNx)

180 A little mood music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B4bsqYxwo0

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 02, 2013 04:52 PM (XvHmy)

181 Lena Dunham is Bisexual White Jason Collins
Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at May 02, 2013 04:51 PM (XvrTA)

With a better free throw percentage.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 04:52 PM (XIxXP)

182 Imma do a Leftard Time Capsule where I'll throw in pics of all these idiots and then dig it up in 10 years and go around asking people if they know who they are.

Posted by: Bigby's Golf-Clapping Hands at May 02, 2013 04:53 PM (3ZtZW)

183 152 Possible. But from the interview I read she said she really had no idea. I assume she really has no reason to lie (because it kinda makes her look bad) so I take her at her word. Given that, damn. Jason Collins should try out for the CIA if he can keep that kind of charade for that long
-------------------------------------

I would imagine that the shared focus on professional basketball, including, presumably, lots of time away from her husband (either he or she on the road), meant that a lower than usual sex drive didn't cause as much curiousity from her as it otherwise would. Though presumably he still fulfilled his "duty" at least occasionally when he was around.

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 04:53 PM (UWFpX)

184 >>>>>>BTW, as a Southron Gentleman (TM) I was educated by my
elders to understand that, "Horses sweat, men perspire, and women glow."

Well maybe you "southern gentlemen" types "perspire" us western men sweat.<<<

Trust me, Michelle Obama has no problem working up a full lather. If she wants to get busy, you're just along for the ride as an instrument of her passions.

Posted by: Fritz at May 02, 2013 04:53 PM (G9Mmf)

185 Gotta disagree, Ace. I don't find Michelle attractive at all. I think Michelle is average, on a good day.

Yes, I'm white. Race has nothing to do with it. Haters.

However, Condileeza Rice? I'd jump her in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Blake at May 02, 2013 04:53 PM (e+hz7)

186 @174 Well said..

Posted by: Yip at May 02, 2013 04:53 PM (/jHWN)

187 " because most people do not want to be gay and will lie to themselves and others in an effort to Not Be Gay. "

Second grade curriculum unavailable for comment.

Posted by: nip at May 02, 2013 04:53 PM (lGVXf)

188 OT, but have we already talked about Bradley Cooper playing Chris Kyle, directed by Spielberg? I missed the morning threads.

Posted by: LizLem at May 02, 2013 04:53 PM (8wqqE)

189 Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 04:38 PM (t06LC)


Lots of gay men can manage to have sex with women. I think a lot of them are bi and prefer men overall, but have no trouble getting it done with females, too. I mean, look at Jessica Simpson's dad.


I'm guessing these two travelled a lot and didn't see each other regularly anyway. And she's what, 6'5" and plays in the WNBA, so maybe he just had to close his eyes and pretend a little.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (PkYpQ)

190
Ellen Degeneres...
I remember thinking how silly that was even back then.
Posted by: junior




Well, being Gay for a living put her into the $100 million net worth neck of town.

So silly like a fox.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (kdS6q)

191 Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 02, 2013 04:52 PM (o5R8U)

Spend some time around major college athletes or professional athletes and then get back to me.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (/WLC3)

192 Tim Tebow is a freakazoid outcast and Jason Collins is getting calls from the President congratulating him on where he likes to put his sperm. Idiocracy was way too kind to humanity.

***

Re Tebow... those attention-whoring teams that are sending out offers to him piss me off. The Omaha Beef offered him $75 a game. Are they trying to humiliate him?

BTW, this is a great article about Tebow's stats.

http://t.co/0yXg3Isq7h

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (piMMO)

193 Lindsay Lohan is on the lam!
The troubled starlet skipped out on the first day of her court-mandated rehab, heading for a plane back to New York rather than checking into the treatment center Thursday.
"She went shopping at an electronics store then she was on the (rehab center) property for a couple minutes but got spooked by the paparazzi,” said a source who is aware of Lohan’s movements. “She was saying, 'I'm not going to rehab. I'm not going to rehab. Take me back to the airport.'
"She's headed back to LAX airport,” the source said at 3 p.m. Eastern time. “The hope is that someone talks some sense into her before she gets on another plane.”

This chic is crazy than a gay basketballer

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (9Bj8R)

194 Mr. Collins must be brave. What about the woman he was engaged to for EIGHT years? I am almost sure she is not calling Mr. Collins brave.

Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (piPOg)

195 Don't have time to get into this post because... I need to get back to work... But this is the sort of "serious" post which keeps me coming back to the site. [insert ass kissing about how great Ace is]. Also, boobies.

Posted by: wooga at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (4+MIZ)

196 Dude.
People talk shit about being married, and the death knell that immediately sounds over your sex life.
As you (and I) know, it can be great.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 04:51 PM (/WLC3)

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That was my first marriage. Well, actually her sex life was pretty good, from what I found out. It was mine that was pretty dry.

No way in hell would I have married someone like that again. That's the only good in being burned once, if you survive it - you pay a lot better attention to character.

And how easy it is to Initiate Her Launch Sequence.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (CJjw5)

197 I think Michelle is basically average-looking but, given a lot of work and mega-bucks, she usually does look above average.
Sometimes she looks great, IMO. Then there are the times when she slumps, frowns, or scowls. (Well, none of look good then.) Mostly I think she looks fine.

Being someone very interested in fashion, I enjoy her efforts. She's had some blunders in that department but a lot of successes too.

I'll tell you this much. She spends a FORTUNE on clothes.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (C8mVl)

198 Lena Dunham is Bisexual White Jason Collins

I thought Lena Dunham was the Poor Man's Sandra Fluke.

Posted by: Phinn at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (3p/jD)

199 "women glow."

In volleyball they taught me that we sparkle.

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 04:55 PM (wsGWu)

200 Maybe they fired him to save the severance package costs from the inevitable next round of layoffs. Just kidding.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at May 02, 2013 04:55 PM (29vnO)

201 So any ID on the nut that blew his brains out in the Houston Airport?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 04:55 PM (9Bj8R)

202 "However, Condileeza Rice? I'd jump her in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Blake at May 02, 2013 04:53 PM (e+hz7) "

Follow on to my earlier on this subject. The wookie, not attractive.

Mia Love, i'd tap that.

Posted by: BlearyTruth at May 02, 2013 04:55 PM (sYLzD)

203
I'm a conservative and Libertarianand I don't care about what goes on in the bedroom between two consenting adults. I don't care to have the MSM treat it as if it is the second coming, if I can say that in this forum. As far as Mooooochelle being attractive? While she may not be unattractive I never liked a big ass on any woman. Especially one they try convincing me IS attractive. I vote "NOT"

Posted by: Marknlutz at May 02, 2013 04:55 PM (o3fBy)

204 "Tim Tebow is a freakazoid outcast"

In a league where at least a half dozen teams now run the spread option offense.

Tebow would be a good (football) fit at the SF 49ers. Of course that will not happen for other reasons.

Posted by: Beagle at May 02, 2013 04:56 PM (sOtz/)

205 Hilarious, but just watch this completely sail over people's heads.

Yeah, you're the only one smart enough to get the joke.

Posted by: Ronster at May 02, 2013 04:56 PM (ndfWf)

206 Mia Love, i'd tap that.
Posted by: BlearyTruth at May 02, 2013 04:55 PM (sYLzD)


i second that. I mean I agree with you, it;s not that I am in to sloppy seconds.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 04:56 PM (9Bj8R)

207 Who the fuck isn't gay? Its all I hear about anymore

Posted by: Bigby's Golf-Clapping Hands at May 02, 2013 04:39 PM (3ZtZW)


*raises hand*

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 02, 2013 04:56 PM (yh0zB)

208 Posted by: Marknlutz at May 02, 2013 04:55 PM (o3fBy)

Does that make you a Conservatarian or a liberative?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 04:57 PM (XIxXP)

209 I am fresh out of fucks to give.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 02, 2013 04:57 PM (DGIjM)

210 @189

This is true, but I wouldn't necessacarily call bi full blown gay. Its like the diet coke of gay.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 04:57 PM (t06LC)

211 Heroic? Get back to me after his first tour of duty.

Posted by: mama winger, waiting for the court martial to begin at May 02, 2013 04:57 PM (P6QsQ)

212 Howard, how does your petard taste now? Hahahahaha.

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 02, 2013 04:57 PM (uhftQ)

213 OT, but have we already talked about Bradley Cooper playing Chris Kyle, directed by Spielberg? I missed the morning threads.

***

Maybe, but if so, I missed it.

So, is he going to get his due, or be made to look like a ghoul?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2013 04:57 PM (piMMO)

214 Ace would never say Moochelle is unattractive. Fair enough. I'll do it for him.

She fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.

Posted by: cool arrow at May 02, 2013 04:57 PM (WMsq+)

215 169 People talk shit about being married, and the death knell that immediately sounds over your sex life.

As you (and I) know, it can be great.


So nice to see another AoSHQ love connection being made. And at comment #169 also, nice.

lol...

And yeah, saying vows increased both quantity and quality here, and they were certainly acceptable before the ceremony.

Posted by: at May 02, 2013 04:57 PM (Vgn84)

216 191 Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 02, 2013 04:52 PM (o5R8U)

Spend some time around major college athletes or professional athletes and then get back to me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (/WLC3)

I have. Also have been in the military another supposedly gay hating organization. No one gave a shit there other than hearing a bunch of meat gazing jokes in the shower. No one actually did or said anything to anyones face that's for sure and we had a gay guy in the unit. He could literally float in a room and noone screamed out "hey look at the faggot".

Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 02, 2013 04:58 PM (o5R8U)

217 Yeah, Collins coming out was a calculated decision that will, literally, make him at least a million dollars.

He was not going to be signed for next season. His career was over.

He'll get another year at least now. And for more than the league minimum since that would insult all gay people.

He potentially risked family and friends fallout. But he said his family is super pro-gay and already knew.

And it's clear he didn't hang out with NBA guys.

So he risked, I think, a much smaller amount than ewe think.

And he stood to gain big time NBA money for another year or two.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 04:58 PM (ZPrif)

218 But he is dopey and dim, and dumbly toes the lefty line, just because that line is Safe Harbor for those who aren't very smart.

I wonder if his recent "lesson" in liberal "tolerance" is going to smarten him up any?

Posted by: @PurpAv at May 02, 2013 04:58 PM (CjkU2)

219 He and his agent knows that the NBA will now not refuse to sign him because of the backlash potential.


If he plays, he won't sign with the NBA. He will sign with a specific team and they will be stuck with his aging, bench-warming ass. Rosters are small. Which owner wants to carry him?


Kick him upstairs to marketing.

Posted by: fluffy at May 02, 2013 04:58 PM (z9HTb)

220 I think he's faking being gay.
Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 04:48 PM (evdj2)

DUDE! That was my first thought. Just wants a book deal and a regular gig on ESPN.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at May 02, 2013 04:59 PM (q177U)

221 Will there be any gay black makles who dress up like Jason?

NO. They'll still be doing Diana Ross impersonations, like they always, predictably and boringly, do.

Conclusion: Not even RuPaul gives a shit



I'm going to hell for laughing out loud like a hyena at that.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2013 04:59 PM (GFM2b)

222 The only advantage of being Bi is you double your chances on getting laid.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 04:59 PM (m2CN7)

223 Plus Collins seems guaranteed a media career if he wants it -- at a minimum covering sports for gay media. But he'll probably get a much better gig than that.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 04:59 PM (ZPrif)

224 Tomorrow is UN's World Press Freedom Day. Remember to celebrate according to the precepts of diversity, multiculturalism, and your local junta.

Posted by: Future Reporter at May 02, 2013 04:59 PM (I88Jc)

225 I've learned that Liberace was gay too.

Posted by: Soona at May 02, 2013 04:59 PM (cRuc4)

226
Here's the big secret about obsessive identity politics:

They are actually incredibly boring.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 02, 2013 04:59 PM (gqT4g)

227 Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 02, 2013 04:58 PM (o5R8U)

Then you and I have had radically different experiences.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 04:59 PM (/WLC3)

228 I would never say Michelle Obama is unattractive.






I would. She's a hideous beast with a perpetual scowl but that could be because she's got teeth like Jaws. And she's got an ass the size of Montana.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2013 04:59 PM (1Jaio)

229 Brave? That would be a news commentator who publicly expressed his reservations about Mr. Collins' Christian faith.


Posted by: mama winger, waiting for the court martial to begin at May 02, 2013 04:59 PM (P6QsQ)

230
I thought Chastity Bono put to rest all this coming out crap.

I mean, who can top that?

Boy, was I wrong. They will never stop 'coming out' until they extracted every ounce of political value out of it.

Posted by: soothsayer's rare profundity at May 02, 2013 05:00 PM (ZgBZU)

231 @222

And you don't have to worry about a really awkward blind date with someone named "Pat"

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 05:00 PM (t06LC)

232 I wonder if his recent "lesson" in liberal "tolerance" is going to smarten him up any?


Posted by: @PurpAv at May 02, 2013 04:58 PM (CjkU2)

----------------------------

Doubtful. Look at Juan Williams. You just can't fix stupid.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 05:00 PM (CJjw5)

233 "And that agenda is forcing you to assent to the Group's Lie in order to demonstrate yourself as Loyal to the Group or as an Outsider who is to be Ostracized for Failing to Demonstrate His Loyalty Upon Request."

Whoa there, big fella.

I find it hard to believe that in this day and age, there would be that much of a "group think" dynamic. Why, onewould almost assume all knees to jerk in the same direction.

This is the era of knowledge and communication. Everyone is an independent thinker.

Posted by: jwest at May 02, 2013 05:00 PM (u2a4R)

234 Mr. Collins must be brave. What about the woman he was engaged to for EIGHT years? I am almost sure she is not calling Mr. Collins brave.
Posted by: Jim at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (piPOg)

It's okay to abandon your spouse, fiance(e), or family as long as you're gay or you're a woman who's decided to discover herself.

Heterosexual male - you bastard! (And rightly so.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 05:01 PM (6zgse)

235 Stern will demand a team hire him.
Many owners will want him for the PR.
Mark Cuban, for example.
Golden State is another.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:01 PM (ZPrif)

236 And how easy it is to Initiate Her Launch Sequence.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (CJjw5)

Oh yes.

And so much less bullshit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 05:01 PM (/WLC3)

237 Re Tebow... those attention-whoring teams that are sending out
offers to him piss me off. The Omaha Beef offered him $75 a game. Are
they trying to humiliate him?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (piMMO)


The Lingerie Bowl offer amused me. . . until I thought about him having to wear that awful man-lingerie that was on the ONT a few nights back. Even Tebow cannot pull that one off. . . am happy to pass around the brain bleach as needed.

Posted by: LizLem at May 02, 2013 05:01 PM (8wqqE)

238 Today is the birthday of Manfred von Richthofen The Red Baron - Top Ace of WWI, 80 victories.

Shot down by Canadian John Brown.

I bet he wasn't gay.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 05:01 PM (XIxXP)

239 People who use "an" instead of "a" before "hero" are totally ghey.

Posted by: rdbrewer at May 02, 2013 05:02 PM (Iyg03)

240 "I would never say Michelle Obama is unattractive."

She's not totally butt-ugly, but she certainly doesn't move the needle on my Looks Detector.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at May 02, 2013 05:02 PM (vd7A8)

241 Everyone is an independent thinker.

Posted by: jwest at May 02, 2013 05:00 PM (u2a4R)

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Um, okay. Whatever you say.

Posted by: mama winger, waiting for the court martial to begin at May 02, 2013 05:02 PM (P6QsQ)

242 209 I am fresh out of fucks to give.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 02, 2013 04:57 PM (DGIjM)


Yeah...same here, JS.

With everything else that is going on, Barky used this as a..."Look, Squirrel!"

Or rather..."Look, Gay Squirrel!"

He always uses social issues asa distraction, when he's looking bad on other issues.

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2013 05:02 PM (3B3wv)

243 He'll get a job as a ball handling coach.

{rimshot}

Posted by: @PurpAv at May 02, 2013 05:02 PM (CjkU2)

244 I wonder if his recent "lesson" in liberal "tolerance" is going to smarten him up any?
Posted by: @PurpAv at May 02, 2013 04:58 PM (CjkU2)

See: Juan Williams.

The answer would be No.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 05:02 PM (6zgse)

245 Duke University raised tuition on all students to cover the $50k sex change surgery for any and all tranny students who want it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:02 PM (ZPrif)

246 The Lingerie Bowl offer amused me. . . until I thought about him having to wear that awful man-lingerie that was on the ONT a few nights back. Even Tebow cannot pull that one off. . . am happy to pass around the brain bleach as needed.
Posted by: LizLem at May 02, 2013 05:01 PM (8wqqE)


Yeah, Jason Collins just called in and said that mangerie was totally gay.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 05:02 PM (t06LC)

247 "Jason Collins is now the Gay Black Sandra Fluke, and therefore now An Hero, and the Left protects its heroes."



They sure do. Gabe sure was Proud to post this this morning.






Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 02, 2013 05:03 PM (yCvxi)

248 And she's got an ass the size of Montana.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2013 04:59 PM (1Jaio)

Don't forget the existentially unattractive chest....sort of a pigeon chest attached to big arms.

I mean...I guess they're breasts, but none that I have ever fantasized about (and that's pretty much all of them) looked even remotely like those.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 05:03 PM (/WLC3)

249 You know what? While were on the subject of black chicks, I don't think Rhianna is that great lookin either, I think she's kinda boyish. Now Halle Berry...thats hot.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 02, 2013 05:03 PM (jvd3N)

250 Plus Collins seems guaranteed a media career if he wants it -- at a minimum covering sports for gay media. But he'll probably get a much better gig than that.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 04:59 PM (ZPrif)


--------------------------------------------------


And then he'll suddenly feel "guilty" and go back to his hot fiance'.

There could be an ulterior motive to this coming out.

Posted by: Soona at May 02, 2013 05:03 PM (cRuc4)

251 I think he's faking being gay.

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 04:48 PM (evdj2)



DUDE! That was my first thought. Just wants a book deal and a regular gig on ESPN.

Posted by: Eaton Cox



Redesigning uniforms!!!

( Admit it, I just got in your head and painted a mental picture of male basketball players wearing hot pants and leg warmers. )

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2013 05:03 PM (R18D0)

252 Tell me again why we give two craps who is doing whom up the poop chute?


Honestly, why do gays think we care one whit about their sex lives?


Didn't it used to behoove a gentleman to never tell?

Posted by: tcn at May 02, 2013 05:03 PM (VLG62)

253 Michelle Obama is reasonably attractive for a drag-queen. Her Ferengi mouth concerns me, though.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:03 PM (ZPrif)

254 Rock Hudson was a Man's Man.

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 05:04 PM (evdj2)

255 Michelle Obama? Bitch got nothing on me !

Posted by: Gwyneth Paltrow at May 02, 2013 05:04 PM (+H/dq)

256 227 Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 02, 2013 04:58 PM (o5R8U)

Then you and I have had radically different experiences.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 04:59 PM (/WLC3)


You are right. I'm barely over 30, I guess it depends it depends on your age. I just don't think being good at sports makes someone a bigot.

Posted by: Broken Record at May 02, 2013 05:04 PM (BfjR3)

257 The only advantage of being Bi is you double your chances on getting laid.

Only double? Please. If I wanted cock, I could get it in the bathroom at Starbucks.

Posted by: Phinn at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (3p/jD)

258 The First Lady might be attractive if she never had a scowl on her face. And let some real stylists give her advice on dress, heck ask Camilla for advice. Until then, the First Lady will remind me of Aunt Esther.
http://youtu.be/Ab9plpNU3tE

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (ULEme)

259 Everyone is an independent thinker.


YES!! YES!! We are all individuals!!!

Posted by: fluffy at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (z9HTb)

260 Rock Hudson was a Man's Man.
Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 05:04 PM (evdj2)

Poor Rock, he didn't have many friends, but he had Neighbors up the ass.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (XIxXP)

261 Imagine the uproar when George Clooney comes out as being straight.

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (BVkEs)

262 >>>Mr. Collins must be brave. What about the woman he was engaged to for EIGHT years? I am almost sure she is not calling Mr. Collins brave.

yeah he should have done the right thing and married her.

All women wish to be married to closeted homosexuals.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (LCRYB)

263
I think Michelle Obama is a homely woman, but I do often wonder if my opinion would be different if she was the wife of a Republican.

I think it would be, but not all because of bias.

I honestly believe what makes Michelle Obama an 'ugly woman' is mostly her ugly ideology.

Posted by: soothsayer's rare profundity at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (DlaLh)

264 "And how easy it is to Initiate Her Launch Sequence."Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 04:54 PM (CJjw5)

"Are you awake, Honey?"

Posted by: jwest at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (u2a4R)

265 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 05:01 PM (/WLC3)

I remember one time I bought her a Diet Coke in a can (gotta be a CAN, not a bottle) on a hot day when I stopped for gas, without her asking, because it's her favorite refreshment. She gave me this great smile.

As soon as we got through the kitchen door, she whipped off her shirt and said, "Go Time." Then she headed for the bedroom.


NEVER had anything remotely like that happen with Starter Wife. With my gal, we still act like teenagers who just discovered sex. "Hey, this vagina is keen!"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (CJjw5)

266 225
I've learned that Liberace was gay too.

Posted by: Soona


WHAT? I think I just shit myself.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (4cRnj)

267 @239 People who use "an" instead of "a" before "hero" are totally ghey.
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Or English Majors.
.
.
.
And NO, that's NOT the same thing...

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (UWFpX)

268 Michelle's given credit for being more attractive than she really is.

Obama's given credit for being more intelligent and capable than he really is.

Posted by: zsasz at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (MMC8r)

269 We concentrate on Collins for the jokes, but the utterly played out narrative by the MSM, the NBA, Obama, etc. is the real story. Kind of a low-water mark in our long national discourse.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (ZshNr)

270 Picture if you will a drunken young Ewok mounting Miss Kashyyyk 1982.

Posted by: Jaws at May 02, 2013 05:06 PM (4I3Uo)

271 Talk about anti-PC... how about some professional come out and say they used to be the ghey, but found Christ and the church helped them realize they weren't the ghey afterall and are now happily married. .... na... never happen. the scorn and ridicule would be off the freakin chart ( which I assume exists somewhere ) you guys

Posted by: Yip at May 02, 2013 05:06 PM (/jHWN)

272 I had a similar experience. I was married to a woman for 8 years before I finally was honest with myself and admitted to the world my true sexual preference -- for a woman 8 years younger than my wife.

It really was a burden to live that lie for so long. Each year it go worse as my wife got ever older from my true sexual preference.

Some say I'm a hero. I'd have to agree.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:06 PM (ZPrif)

273 Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (LCRYB)

I think the point is that he strung her along for 8 years, not that he didn't marry her. She would have gotten over it, moved on with her life, and maybe have been married today. It was very unfair to her.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 05:07 PM (6zgse)

274 Redesigning uniforms!!!

( Admit it, I just got in your head and painted a mental picture of male basketball players wearing hot pants and leg warmers. )


Those elephant trunked g strings

Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2013 05:07 PM (GFM2b)

275 yeah he should have done the right thing and married her.

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He should have done the right thing and dispensed with the pretense of wanting to be married to her, therefore affording her the courtesy of moving forward into an authentic relationship during her peak childbearing years.

Posted by: mama winger, waiting for the court martial to begin at May 02, 2013 05:07 PM (P6QsQ)

276 "Her Ferengi mouth concerns me, though.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:03 "

bwahahaaaaaa

Posted by: Yip at May 02, 2013 05:07 PM (/jHWN)

277 @271 Talk about anti-PC... how about some professional come out and say they used to be the ghey, but found Christ and the church helped them realize they weren't the ghey afterall and are now happily married. .... na... never happen. the scorn and ridicule would be off the freakin chart ( which I assume exists somewhere ) you guys
-------------------------------
Happens from time to time. Those parts of society inclined to disbelieve them just insist that the person in question is either in denial or repressing.

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 05:07 PM (UWFpX)

278 Oh, is our newest troll still trying to get a lick in? Let me get my balls out for you then, troll-boy.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 05:07 PM (CJjw5)

279 239 People who use "an" instead of "a" before "hero" are totally ghey.

Posted by: rdbrewer at May 02, 2013 05:02 PM (Iyg03)


Heh.
Unless you're using aCockney Accent...as in "An 'ero".

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2013 05:07 PM (3B3wv)

280 Look, I've been known to have sex with moderately attractive women(usually while they're asleep) but I wouldn't have sex with Michelle. You do the math.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:07 PM (4cRnj)

281 People who use "an" instead of "a" before "hero" are totally ghey.

It must be a French thing. 'Allo, an 'ero finishes the wine bottle alone!"

Posted by: Future Reporter at May 02, 2013 05:08 PM (I88Jc)

282 I think the point is that he strung her along for 8 years, not that he didn't marry her. She would have gotten over it, moved on with her life, and maybe have been married today. It was very unfair to her.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 05:07 PM (6zgse)

Exactly, it's ok to live a lie. But, when you have someone live your lie, it's shitty.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 05:08 PM (XIxXP)

283 Knowing that degenerate assholes are usually thrown into a volcano, jwest is showing a lot of guts by being here.

Posted by: Ergie at May 02, 2013 05:08 PM (ggRof)

284 My understanding is only 20% of identical twins who have a gay twin are gay themselves.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:08 PM (ZPrif)

285 "yeah he should have done the right thing and married her. All women wish to be married to closeted homosexuals."

No...he shouldn't have gotten engaged to her to begin with.

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 05:08 PM (wsGWu)

286 Lines, arrows and highlighting. Ernest, thorough and battling on for journalistic and moral standards that rags like the Washington Times could only dream of.

Very important stuff.

Posted by: Ed Gibbon at May 02, 2013 05:08 PM (4eNxd)

287 Rock Hudson did have friends. One of them being the bane of the Left, John Wayne.

Posted by: puddleglum at May 02, 2013 05:08 PM (d+Wjy)

288 NEVER had anything remotely like that happen with Starter Wife. With my gal, we still act like teenagers who just discovered sex. "Hey, this vagina is keen!"
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (CJjw5)

All it takes for my wife is someone to watch the kids for 20 minutes. Foreplay has become the phrase "my mom came and picked up the kids"
Bam.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 05:08 PM (t06LC)

289 I don't think this took any guts at all. Think the dipshit commissioners of the nba and nfl have been salivating over having an openly gay player for a while. And it's probably been in their league meetings on how to handle it and how the players are expected to behave about it.

So I find no bravery or guts in what he did. I find it exploitative. A man who's career should be done now will probably get to extend it for at least a year or two based solely on his sexuality instead of his talent and abilities.

Posted by: Buzzion at May 02, 2013 05:09 PM (tTTKm)

290 so the problem is that he should have admitted he was gay earlier?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:09 PM (LCRYB)

291 Well I don't much about jason collins, but I do know the Knicks took it up the ass last night

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 05:09 PM (9Bj8R)

292 He wasn't a closeted homosexual when he was banging his basketball playing honey for eight years. He just liked woman at the time and probably will again. He's a bi- or an opportunist. To say he is a closeted homo assumes facts not in evidence.

Posted by: ejo at May 02, 2013 05:10 PM (GXvSO)

293 >>>No...he shouldn't have gotten engaged to her to begin with.

right, so he should have come out earlier?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:10 PM (LCRYB)

294 The only advantage of being Bi is you double your chances on getting laid. Only double? Please. If I wanted cock, I could get it in the bathroom at Starbucks.
Posted by: Phinn at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (3p/jD)

Of course mine was a joke referring to having both genders instead of one to choose from but I assume your joke was that man on man is basically a 100% chance to get laid.

Yep, men are pigs whether they are gay or straight. That's why its better that women are the gatekeepers.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 05:10 PM (m2CN7)

295 Well I don't much about jason collins, but I do know the Knicks took it up the ass last night Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 05:09 PM (9Bj8R)

Hopefully they'll do it two more times too.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 02, 2013 05:10 PM (sbV1u)

296 Reality mugs again.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at May 02, 2013 05:10 PM (hLRSq)

297 @289 And it's probably been in their league meetings on how to handle it and how the players are expected to behave about it.
---------------------------
I suppose the real question is how often the players were told in advance how they were expected to behave when it finally happened.

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 05:10 PM (UWFpX)

298 OSP who wasn't gay. von Richtofen? or Brown? Because in WWI gay meant a bon vivant. I would say a guy flying a bright red fighter plane was a bit of an extrovert and bon vivant....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 05:10 PM (ULEme)

299 @290

Yeah. At least to his fiance who was planning a life with him.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 05:10 PM (t06LC)

300 Rock Hudson did have friends. One of them being the bane of the Left, John Wayne.

An hour from now you'll get the joke.

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (evdj2)

301 Redesigning uniforms!!!



( Admit it, I just got in your head and painted a mental picture of male basketball players wearing hot pants and leg warmers. )





Those elephant trunked g strings

Posted by: rickb223

Garter belt sweat bands. And the basketballs will now be flesh colored. And hairy. And before the player shoots, he has to lick the ball. They're still working out the design for the backboard.

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (R18D0)

302 @290 so the problem is that he should have admitted he was gay earlier?
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He shouldn't have gotten engaged.

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (UWFpX)

303 I'll agree with ace on Michelle's attractiveness. I've never really understood all the negative commentary on that.


I'll disagree on the "guts" thing though. The guy likely made a risk/reward calculation we all make in life. Risk being ostracized by teammates? Maybe a little guts, but couple it with the potential rewards that are quite obvious to those in our society today by someone who comes out?


Comes out to guts=0.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (yCvxi)

304 Who's engaged for 8 years anyway? Either shit or get off the pot, as my grandma used to say.

Posted by: mama winger, waiting for the court martial to begin at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (P6QsQ)

305
so the problem is that he should have admitted he was gay earlier?

To his fiance?

I would say yes to that.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (LVtr+)

306 I said this elsewhere but it's worth repeating. Collins made a devil's bargain.

On the plus side, he's guaranteed a Hall of Fame slot, he'll make millions (or at least hundreds of thousands) on the lecture circuit, he'll certainly get a book deal out of it, maybe even a made-for-Oprah movie. His future comfort is assured.

The cost? Nobody will care about the sport he's devoted his life to mastering. Nobody will care about how he plays basketball. That no longer matters. All that matters is where he puts his dick.

At some point, will he look in the mirror and think about that? "All anybody cares about is that I have sex with men."

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (4/uZC)

307 290
so the problem is that he should have admitted he was gay earlier?





Posted by: ace


No, the problem I have is with all his cock-sucking, not that he was a closeted gay.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (4cRnj)

308 The Left is nothing but a bunch of totalitarian control freaks. And it needs to be destroyed. Not reasoned with or argued with or compromised with. Destroyed. With no prisoners taken.

That is precisely their strategy for us. We need to beat them to it.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (BJVEF)

309 so the problem is that he should have admitted he was gay earlier?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:09 PM (LCRYB)

----------------------------------

According to the article, he admitted to himself that he was gay much, much earlier. He did not admit to his fiancee that he was gay until recently.

No, wait. He never admitted it to her. She had to read about it in SI.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (CJjw5)

310 right, so he should have come out earlier?
Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:10 PM (LCRYB)

One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (m2CN7)

311 My problem with some of the criticism about him being engaged is that i do not see the critics announcing any honorable path for him, except for one.

Everything he does is wrong, wrong, wrong.

The only acceptable solution which would satisfy is "Don't be gay."

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (LCRYB)

312 OSP who wasn't gay. von Richtofen? or Brown? Because in WWI gay meant a bon vivant. I would say a guy flying a bright red fighter plane was a bit of an extrovert and bon vivant....
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 05:10 PM (ULEme)

Hmm. thats a thinker.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (XIxXP)

313 Where are the boyfriends? Not likely to forget a seven-footer's one-night stand, no matter how many drugs one takes.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (ZshNr)

314 >>>"Well I don't much about jason collins, but I do know the Knicks took it up the ass last night."

If there were any justice or sanity in this world, you, sir, would be writing for ESPN.

Posted by: Phinn at May 02, 2013 05:12 PM (3p/jD)

315 He didn't have to admit anything if he didn't want to. A simple "this isn't working out" would suffice.

Oh, and married morons, google It's Business Time by.Flight of the Conchords

Team building '99!

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 05:12 PM (wsGWu)

316 Talk about anti-PC... how about some professional come out and say they used to be the ghey, but found Christ and the church helped them realize they weren't the ghey afterall and are now happily married. .... na... never happen. the scorn and ridicule would be off the freakin chart ( which I assume exists somewhere ) you guys
Posted by: Yip at May 02, 2013 05:06 PM (/jHWN)


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My sister and BIL know a guy that's fits this very description.

Posted by: Soona at May 02, 2013 05:12 PM (cRuc4)

317 Michelle Obama is reasonably attractive for a drag-queen.

She has some problems with her tuck from time to time, though.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 02, 2013 05:12 PM (/kI1Q)

318 300, toby928



Oh. Dammit! Not enough sleep lately.

Posted by: puddleglum at May 02, 2013 05:12 PM (d+Wjy)

319 It's difficult, almost heroic, to tell a woman in her 30s that your true sexual preference is for a woman in her 20s.
Bravest thing I've ever done in my life.
I gotta be me. I can't live a lie.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:12 PM (ZPrif)

320
he shoulda said, oh honey, by the way, I like to suck dick

still wanna marry me?

Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 05:12 PM (KeJAW)

321 213
OT, but have we already talked about Bradley Cooper playing Chris Kyle, directed by Spielberg? I missed the morning threads.


***


Maybe, but if so, I missed it.


So, is he going to get his due, or be made to look like a ghoul?Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2013 04:57 PM (piMMO)


Hopefully Kyle does not get the Iron Lady treatment. . . biopic of him depressed, PTSD filled, stumbling around and reflecting on his past glories with a mix of pride and regret. I hope Spielberg's learned from his snubbing last year that Hollywood is not necessarily his friend anymore; unfortunately, I bet the only lesson he received is not to make a film like Zero Dark Thirty, that the left smears as being pro torture. We'll see, but I reserve the right to be disappointed.

Posted by: LizLem at May 02, 2013 05:12 PM (8wqqE)

322 >>>No, the problem I have is with all his cock-sucking, not that he was a closeted gay.

of course, the problem is that he's gay, period, not with his specific actions apart from that.

So let's not muddy the issue with extraneous matters.

The problem is that he's gay and people shouldn't be gay. Correct?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:12 PM (LCRYB)

323
maybe being engaged for eight years should have been a sign that something wasn't right

Posted by: The gay lesbian and transgendered banana organization at May 02, 2013 05:12 PM (7IE/u)

324 304
Who's engaged for 8 years anyway? Either shit or get off the pot, as my grandma used to say.




Posted by: mama winger, waiting for the court martial to begin at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (P6QsQ


*golf clap*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2013 05:12 PM (lVPtV)

325 Perhaps the fiancee is also gay.

*cough*WNBA*cough*

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 05:13 PM (evdj2)

326 "Michelle Obama's much-vaunted beauty" She's good looking, if and only if, she's smiling, (not smirking or frowning or angry or "on a mission,") and only from certain angles and with the correct lighting. She has very poor taste in clothes, which often results in unflattering display of her figure. She'd be easier to take if she led a more humble life. She wasn't worth a $300K+ salary in Chicago in 2008, and she shouldn't have accepted it.

Posted by: gp at May 02, 2013 05:13 PM (mk9aG)

327 But, when you have someone live your lie, it's shitty.

Ghey pun intended?

Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2013 05:13 PM (GFM2b)

328 >>I would never say Michelle Obama is unattractive. I think she's
reasonably attractive. Dividing up women of her age, I'd say she's on
the "more attractive" side of things. Maybe, I don't know, top 33%.

That's a helluva grade curve

Posted by: Albie Damned at May 02, 2013 05:13 PM (Yhu4q)

329 so the problem is that he should have admitted he was gay earlier?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:09 PM (LCRYB)

I don't think anyone cares whether he came out or not. He just shouldn't have gotten engaged to the poor woman. He could have played the field, never committing to anyone. Lots of guys do that (not that I approve).

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 05:13 PM (6zgse)

330 "so the problem is that he should have admitted he was gay earlier?"

Oh for Christ sake ace, the culture of sports isn't so regimented that they expect you to be married. There was no reason he needed to carry on a charade with a women for eight years for any reason. As if our society looks down on the unmarried journeyman sports figure. That doesn't even make any sense.

Posted by: lowandslow at May 02, 2013 05:13 PM (Fz2C7)

331 I think the point is that he strung her along for 8 years, not that he
didn't marry her. She would have gotten over it, moved on with her life,
and maybe have been married today. It was very unfair to her.

______________________________


If he was really gay and didn't enjoy sex with women, wouldn't it have been easier to switch "beards" by outwardly living the life available to pretty much all professional athletes? I mean, he could participate in the pretense of being surrounded by groupies in the club, taking some home to party, but not necessarily needing to bed one or many to keep up the charade of heterosexuality. One would think that avoiding heterosexual intercourse would be a priority for him, and that would be easier to do while outwardly living the life of a player than it would be to actually have a long-term committed relationship with one woman. Something doesn't sound quite right here.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 02, 2013 05:13 PM (nnkXw)

332 The problem is that he's gay and people shouldn't be gay. Correct?





Posted by: ace


No, he can be gay just stop sucking dudes off.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:13 PM (4cRnj)

333 Top 33%?
Boy are you hanging out in the wrong places.
Perhaps that planet that, no, I better not go there.

Posted by: teej at May 02, 2013 05:13 PM (J3IzX)

334 My sister and BIL know a guy that's fits this very description.

----------------------

I know several.

Posted by: mama winger, waiting for the court martial to begin at May 02, 2013 05:14 PM (P6QsQ)

335 Why are all cancervatives closeted homos?

Posted by: Questionman at May 02, 2013 05:14 PM (JNEmv)

336 >>>right, so he should have come out earlier?

Well...yeah. That would have been ideal. The entire point chique d'afrique is making is that, even though we can obviously understand the societal pressures that motivated someone like Jason Collins to stay in the closet and get engaged, that doesn't change the fact that there was a REAL unfortunate human cost to the woman he was engaged to. She lost EIGHT FRIGGIN' YEARS of her life being strung along by a guy who was actually gay. I'm not saying that makes him a villain, but it's damn unfortunate for her: she lost her youth to this, and to be rather blunt she probably lost her years of prime attractiveness in terms of securing a mate.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 05:14 PM (bcLhD)

337 I sort of thought the right time to back out of a marriage was before you were married....

Perhaps it's after?

When are people allowed to end relationships which aren't marriage?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:14 PM (LCRYB)

338 @311

Don't string another person along as window dressing for 8 years that she won't get back without telling her or I don't know, even at a minimum right before admiting it to a national magazine.

That seems somewhat honorable.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 05:14 PM (t06LC)

339 Queen Latifah > Michelle Obama

I think she'd be a blast to hang out with, and she's very presentable in formal dress.

Posted by: @PurpAv at May 02, 2013 05:14 PM (CjkU2)

340 That was my first marriage. Well, actually her sex life was pretty good, from what I found out. It was mine that was pretty dry.

Call me when you find out your wife is banging all the pilots in the Air Troop of your Cav Squadron.

Then we'll talk. That was my starter wife.



Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 02, 2013 05:14 PM (sbV1u)

341 I think Michelle's figure is bad. And I'm old. Ok, middle aged. Nearly her age. She's hippy, coarse and short-waisted, with a projecting belly. What's worse is she dresses to emphasize her flaws. She has nice shoulders and decolletage and outfits that emphasize these traits are nice to see on her.

It could be a lot, lot worse. But no one can call her not coarse.

The sideswept bangs are working to soften her severe-looking brow and make the most of her high cheekbones. She has nice skin. Unfortunately, though she has a healthy smile with bright teeth, her mouth is too ..uh..robust.. to call beautiful. Which is no shame. She's perfectly ok and all, probably better looking than most women and I'd toss her in the 50%.

Posted by: Try that Food Network site at May 02, 2013 05:14 PM (LYwCh)

342 But, when you have someone live your lie, it's shitty.

Ghey pun intended?
Posted by: rickb223 at May 02, 2013 05:13 PM (GFM2b)


Oh sure, you miss the jim Neighbors up the ass joke then comment on something real. WTF.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 05:15 PM (XIxXP)

343 Who's engaged for 8 years anyway? Either shit or get off the pot, as my grandma used to say.
Posted by: mama winger, waiting for the court martial to begin at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (P6QsQ
*golf clap*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2013 05:12 PM (lVPtV)

-------------------------

Nathan Detroit was engaged to Adelaide for 14 years in Guys and Dolls, but I bet you didn't criticize him, because it was Frank Sinatra, right?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 05:15 PM (CJjw5)

344
Who's engaged for 8 years anyway?

Cheaters, con-men, and, evidently, homosexuals.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 05:15 PM (xIzGn)

345 I've said this and I'll say it by Text-Enhance">again:
I would never say Michelle Obama is unattractive. I think she's
reasonably attractive. Dividing up women of her age, I'd say she's on
the "more attractive" side of things. Maybe, I don't know, top 33%.

________

Ace,

You know percent means out of 100 right? As in 33 out of 100? Now 33 out of 1000, yes I'd agree with you full, she's in the top 33/1000. Out of 100? You have got to be fucking kidding me.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2013 05:15 PM (HDgX3)

346 Ace, you know I'm kidding, right?

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:15 PM (4cRnj)

347 It took me five minutes (probably less, but then I've got ten inches) with a picture of Raquel Welsh at the age of 13 to discover my sexual 'preference'. I just can't fathom how someone could lie to a woman for eight years. Then get accolades from a Precedent and 75% of the population doesn't recognize that there is something mighty, mighty gay about the pair of them.

Posted by: Regular Moron at May 02, 2013 05:15 PM (U2UQk)

348 I don't care if he's gay. I don't care if he strung along the chick. I don't care if she's a lesbian who knew all along.

I just think it's funny. Especially the Brave Hero aspect.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:15 PM (ZPrif)

349 Not really OSP Manfred's unit was called the Flying Circus because all the planes were painted brightly. I should look to see what colors were used by Herman Goering...

But I just wanted to note how the word gay has been hijacked.

Truthfully Collin's female swain, long before the 8 year mark, should have done the Marisa Tomei foot stomp and speech about her clock running out. There just comes a point when you must realize he really isn't that in to you.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 05:15 PM (ULEme)

350 >>>Well...yeah. That would have been ideal. The entire point chique d'afrique is making is that, even though we can obviously understand the societal pressures that motivated someone like Jason Collins to stay in the closet and get engaged, that doesn't change the fact that there was a REAL unfortunate human cost to the woman he was engaged to.

Yeah and so to avoid that, what, marry her?

I hear a lot more about the human cost to this woman than the average woman in a heterosexual divorce.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:15 PM (LCRYB)

351 >>>No...he shouldn't have gotten engaged to her to begin with.


>>>right, so he should have come out earlier?


What kind of puzzles me; He got engaged to her, but never had sex with her? That's oddly puritan in the modern world.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at May 02, 2013 05:15 PM (0q2P7)

352 I have a gorgeous girlfriend whose husband sets off my gaydar to deafening levels.

They have two incredible kids and seem extremely happy together. Plus, he loves to go shopping with her (seriously).

Just thought I'd toss that out there.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2013 05:15 PM (lVPtV)

353 Nathan Detroit was engaged to Adelaide for 14 years
in Guys and Dolls, but I bet you didn't criticize him, because it was
Frank Sinatra, right?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff

Dude, Broadway shows in a closet gay thread? Really?

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2013 05:16 PM (R18D0)

354 With my gal, we still act like teenagers who just discovered sex. "Hey, this vagina is keen!"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (CJjw5)

Ever notice what walking into a hotel room does?

I have no idea why, I don't care, and I hope it never changes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 05:16 PM (/WLC3)

355 >>>I sort of thought the right time to back out of a marriage was before you were married....



Perhaps it's after?



When are people allowed to end relationships which aren't marriage?


You're missing the point. The point is in #336. Yes, it's certainly a good thing that he didn't end up getting married. That would have made a bad situation far worse. But the fact that he didn't get married -- and instead just strung a woman along for the prime years of her life -- doesn't alter the fact that we've still got a Bad Situation.

And yes, the solution would obviously be to have less societal pressure out there forcing people who really know in their hearts that they're gay to try and 'fake' being straight.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 05:16 PM (bcLhD)

356 So I guess when he kept telling his fiance that she was not sucking him off the right way, he knew what he was talking about?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 05:16 PM (9Bj8R)

357 Then there is that homely skank Sarah Palin. Riiiight.

Ten miles of broken glass, bicycle seat, etc.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 02, 2013 05:16 PM (fb100)

358 Rock Hudson did have friends. One of them being the bane of the Left, John Wayne.

John Wayne was a fag:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uv_WGEHr4I

Posted by: zsasz at May 02, 2013 05:16 PM (MMC8r)

359 If Collins "hooks up" with another team and gets little playing time, is okay to say he's riding the pines ?

Posted by: seamrog at May 02, 2013 05:16 PM (ogCAX)

360 Social pressure to get engaged? What the fuck, is it 1955 in basketball world?

Posted by: lowandslow at May 02, 2013 05:16 PM (Fz2C7)

361 No, this isn't about us hating the homos. Women (and it's been mostly women who express issue with him stringing along the fiance).don't like it when men dick them around for 8 peak child bearing years. It doesn't matter if you're gay or a perpetually teenager or climbing the corporate ladder, don't waste a woman's time if you have no intention to marry her.

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 05:16 PM (wsGWu)

362 How have I never heard that Hudson/Neighbors joke before?



That one's getting told to-nite!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 02, 2013 05:17 PM (yCvxi)

363 311...Everything he does is wrong, wrong, wrong.
The only acceptable solution which would satisfy is "Don't be gay."

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (LCRYB)

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Not really, Ace.

It would've been more courageous if he'd come out earlier.

Instead...he waited until he knew it would be lauded as a 'courageous thing'.
He knew that he would be getting lots of positive press for it Now, rather than a few years ago.

It's like he waited for the parade...and then jumped in front of it.

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2013 05:17 PM (3B3wv)

364 Why are all cancervatives closeted homos?
Posted by: Questionman at May 02, 2013 05:14 PM (JNEmv)

Because if we come out the elders will take away the free after church luncheons with the free jello molds.


Eat shit scooter.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 05:17 PM (XIxXP)

365 Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2013 05:15 PM (lVPtV)

Please explain why this is the first we have heard about your gorgeous girlfriend.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 05:17 PM (/WLC3)

366 The problem is that he's gay and people shouldn't be gay. Correct?
Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:12 PM (LCRYB)

No the problem is that agay men shouldn't ask a woman to marry them. Its dishonest and unfair to the woman.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 05:17 PM (m2CN7)

367 Ever notice what walking into a hotel room does?


Makes me want to check the mini-bar but I don't think that is what you mean?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 05:17 PM (9Bj8R)

368 I don't think he needed to "come out" necessarily but I do think after a certain number of years you should maybe cut the other person loose if you aren't going to go through with the marriage. 8 years is too long to keep stringing someone along 'oh we'll get married sometime soon, honey, swearsies. I'm just so busy with my NBA career so I don't have time now. yeah, I don't know how those other fellas do it, playing in the NBA and getting married. Heck some of them have even been married and divorced multiple times in the past 8 years.'


Of course not denying that the woman should have maybe ended the engagement herself at some point when it looked like he would never make it happen.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 02, 2013 05:17 PM (RZ8pf)

369 I wouldn't blame him for the 8 year engagement. Any woman that stays engaged for 8 years has some issues of her own. A yea or two, OK. Anything longer than that and honey, you ain't never getting married. Straight or gay.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2013 05:18 PM (HDgX3)

370 Ace,

You're making this way more complicated than it has to be and taking one commenter's obviously sarcastic remark to mean "What (all of) you are saying is that he just shouldn't be gay, right? Because no one should should ever be gay."

Slow your roll. He USED this girl as a fucking prop for years, long after he knew he had no intention of marrying her. He admits this.

What's the honorable course of action for him? Oh, I don't know. How about... DON'T FUCKING DO THAT.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 05:18 PM (CJjw5)

371 >>>Ace, you know I'm kidding, right?

wasn't sure... yeah I thought maybe, but on the other hand, I'm sorta getting that same argument, for real.

Look, I hate to rain on everyone's party here, but there really is no good option here.

Either the gay guy marries the straight woman and subjects her to a life of misery or he dumps her.

There is no magic option C.

The other options are "You should have known you were gay earlier," which is bizarre, because the chief conservative complaint about homosexuality is "We don't want to know about it!," that is to say, "Please keep it secret and never make mention of this."

Kind of a mixed message there, that he should have both embraced his homosexuality earlier but also that we don't wish to know this terrible thing happens, so please keep it a secret shame.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:18 PM (LCRYB)

372
Please explain why this is the first we have heard about your gorgeous girlfriend.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 05:17 PM (/WLC3


I've got several. This is Savannah, ya know.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2013 05:18 PM (lVPtV)

373 If a sports figure no one's heard of comes out in a forest, does it make a sound?

Posted by: zsasz at May 02, 2013 05:18 PM (MMC8r)

374 I bet you didn't criticize him, because it was Frank Sinatra, right?

-----------



Wrong. The only actor I never criticize is Cary Grant.

Posted by: mama winger, waiting for the court martial to begin at May 02, 2013 05:18 PM (P6QsQ)

375 Ace, it's no secret that a lot of us don't approve of homosexuality. But I would say that for most, that is not the issue with this story.

No one was stopping him from being gay. Why did he have to trap a woman for so long? He didn't have to "settle down." He is in the NBA whore-league after all.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 05:18 PM (6zgse)

376 I am going to smash that ass until I see some Bozack-Higgs particles on the wall.

Where are my fuckin plaudits?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 04:44 PM (CJjw5)


It's Ballsack-Swiggs particles you ignorant barbarian.

Posted by: JQP at May 02, 2013 05:18 PM (GVL0g)

377 "of course, the problem is that he's gay, period, not with his specific actions apart from that.

So let's not muddy the issue with extraneous matters.

The problem is that he's gay and people shouldn't be gay. Correct?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:12 PM (LCRYB)"

===============
Well, this got weird...

Posted by: Kensington at May 02, 2013 05:19 PM (ymYNL)

378 I just can't fathom how someone could lie to a woman for eight years.

Because he didn't give a shit about her. Read the marked-up paragraph up at the top of the post. I, I, I. "I thought I had to marry a woman." He didn't care about HER, he cared about having a woman.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 02, 2013 05:19 PM (/kI1Q)

379 >>Slow your roll. He USED this girl as a fucking prop for years, long after he knew he had no intention of marrying her. He admits this.


I'm glad that no one here has ever ended a relationship that wasn't working after having "USED" the person for years.


Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:19 PM (LCRYB)

380 @351 What kind of puzzles me; He got engaged to her, but never had sex with her? That's oddly puritan in the modern world.
-----------------------
Yes and no. You've still got a lot of "no sex until marriage" types (particularly when both are religious). But in those instances, the recommendation is to keep make the courtship long, but the engagement short.

Multi-year engagements typically mean, "Yeah, we're having sex, but we're probably going to hold off getting married until she gets pregnant."

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 05:19 PM (UWFpX)

381 Ever notice what walking into a hotel room does?


Must not travel with the kids.

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2013 05:19 PM (R18D0)

382 yeah, chick is equally to blame for 8 year engagement.
I dated a girl who was hot but stupid that I knew I'd never marry. She left me after a year when she figured that out.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:19 PM (ZPrif)

383 Ever notice what walking into a hotel room does? I have no idea why, I don't care, and I hope it never changes. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 05:16 PM (/WLC3)

Testify brother! Testify!

Spot on. Still works!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 02, 2013 05:19 PM (sbV1u)

384 "When are people allowed to end relationships which aren't marriage?"

When you're older than 20? As soon as it becomes apparent that you're not interested in marrying the other person.

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 05:19 PM (wsGWu)

385 Dude, Broadway shows in a closet gay thread? Really?

Theatre.Major.

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 05:19 PM (evdj2)

386 Ace, I see the point you're making. But I guess I'm saying is that -- and maybe it's only a gut-level thing that falls apart upon too much scrutiny -- there is a difference between "long-term relationship/engagement/marriage that doesn't work out because the people are ultimately incompatible" and "long-term relationship/engagement/marriage that doesn't work out because one of them is actually HOMOSEXUAL."

In the former case, that's life -- maybe they could've made it work, maybe not, but such are the vicissitudes of human interaction. In the latter case, though, it (again maybe this just a dumb 'gut' thing) feels like it could NEVER have worked, and was in fact fraudulent from the beginning rather than something real that eventually went sour.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 05:19 PM (bcLhD)

387 The fact that Madame Obama is only of average appearance does not prevent her from being an ugly person. It does, however, make it harder to mask.

As for Jason Collins, anyone why watched him play already knew he sucked. This just added a new dimension, which most people care so little about it can't even be measured. Seriously, it makes the Higgs Boson look downright obvious.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Septembrist at May 02, 2013 05:19 PM (fMiHM)

388 So, how long have you known you were a heterosexual?

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 02, 2013 05:20 PM (BVkEs)

389 Anonymous accusations of sexual proclivities from the reality-based trolls with superior, sentient souls of sapience?

*gasps*

Posted by: Future Reporter at May 02, 2013 05:20 PM (I88Jc)

390 The Lingerie Bowl offer amused me. . . until I thought about him having to wear that awful man-lingerie that was on the ONT a few nights back. Even Tebow cannot pull that one off. . . am happy to pass around the brain bleach as needed

***

You just HAD to remind us, huh?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2013 05:20 PM (piMMO)

391 383
Ever notice what walking into a hotel room does? I have no idea why, I
don't care, and I hope it never changes. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
at May 02, 2013 05:16 PM (/WLC3



Three words: hotel room cooties

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2013 05:20 PM (lVPtV)

392 I've got several. This is Savannah, ya know. Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2013 05:18 PM (lVPtV)

You know the drill.

Pics.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 02, 2013 05:20 PM (sbV1u)

393 >>>No one was stopping him from being gay. Why did he have to trap a woman for so long? He didn't have to "settle down." He is in the NBA whore-league after all.

I think you're avoiding the part where he was lying to himself in order to conform to a social standard, a social standard, incidentally, much championed on our side.

You can't blame a guy for trying to do what you say is ideal.

If it's not ideal, then why are we insisting it is?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:20 PM (LCRYB)

394 I'm guessing this might be hitting home for Ace because I'm guessing there are some women out there who spent their prime reproductive years unreproductively with Ace. Heterosexually speaking.

That criticism of Collins applies to many, many, many straight relationships. Applies to several of mine.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:20 PM (ZPrif)

395 Because he didn't give a shit about her. Read the marked-up paragraph up at the top of the post. I, I, I. "I thought I had to marry a woman." He didn't care about HER, he cared about having a woman.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 02, 2013 05:19 PM (/kI1Q)


What if she was ghey too and it was a double secret scam?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 05:20 PM (XIxXP)

396 I just can't fathom how someone could lie to a woman for eight years.

Never been married I see. Honey how is that stew I cooked? Oh great dear, wish i could have it every night.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 05:21 PM (9Bj8R)

397 You have major basketball stars with a half dozen kids all with different women but for some reason this no name was pressured into shame relationship with a woman for eight years. Yeah right.
Why don't we just go with the obvious, the guy's a major asshole, gay or not gay.

Posted by: lowandslow at May 02, 2013 05:21 PM (Fz2C7)

398 Ace , Moobama is ugly.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at May 02, 2013 05:21 PM (AWmfW)

399 "Either the gay guy marries the straight woman and subjects her to a life of misery or he dumps her"

___________________________

Ace - if it was a "life of misery" she wouldn't have stuck around for 8 years.

I'm calling bullshit that he was secretly 100% exclusively gay and that dealing with the vagina was a terrible chore for him FOR EIGHT FUCKING YEARS.



Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 02, 2013 05:21 PM (nnkXw)

400 I sort of thought the right time to back out of a marriage was before you were married....

Perhaps it's after?

When are people allowed to end relationships which aren't marriage?
Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:14 PM (LCRYB)

I would say, sometime before 8 years of being engaged would be ideal.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 05:21 PM (6zgse)

401
For Jason Collins

I just met you
call me crazy
but here's my number
call me maybe

Posted by: Reggie Love at May 02, 2013 05:21 PM (jKWYf)

402 @350

I think that in most regular marriages there is a chance it would (could) work. In this instance the guy knew at the outset or close to it there wasn't a chance. They were incompatible. He was ac she dc. She did not know this.

I'm not saying that there aren't fact patterns in a regular marriage where one party was also being deceptive putting them back in this category, I am saying we aren't lauding them as "heros" and usually call them what they are.

I don't give a shit if Collins is gay. I never heard of him before this week.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 05:21 PM (t06LC)

403


Every City in the country has a Gay Pride parade.


Many of them occur on father's day.

It's more honest to call it the "Daddy Issues Parade"

Aren't we all into honesty now?

Posted by: imp at May 02, 2013 05:22 PM (UaxA0)

404 --
I'm glad that no one here has ever ended a relationship that wasn't working after having "USED" the person for years.

---

Go on.

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 02, 2013 05:22 PM (BVkEs)

405 I'm glad that no one here has ever ended a relationship that wasn't working after having "USED" the person for years.


I highlighted the point you seem to be missing.

Dating someone for a few months or a year and letting them go after you realize it's not going to work is way less reprehensible than using them for eight years.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 02, 2013 05:22 PM (/kI1Q)

406 Either he magically switched his " genetic predetrmination " in 20009 or he was a lying shitbag for a decade. His best defense is that he deluded his fiance in order to continue deluding himself? Shitbag. I really hope the fiance insisted on multiple levels of prophylactics.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 05:22 PM (ZshNr)

407 Pro tip: If a guy keeps putting off marrying you after an eight-year engagement, you might have a problem. Either he's teh ghey, or he's just not that into you.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2013 05:22 PM (lVPtV)

408 >>>I'm glad that no one here has ever ended a relationship that wasn't working after having "USED" the person for years.

Dude, you Keep. Missing. The Point. The point is if you engage in the above-described behavior, guess what? You did a rather awful, shitty thing. You should feel bad about it.

You shouldn't hang yourself or feel like the scum of the earth, but c'mon. Just because the behavior you're describing is something that "lots of people do" doesn't make it better. It's a dick move regardless of its prevalence of lack thereof. This ain't hard.

(And note that I write from the perspective of a guy who has -- you guessed it! -- done exactly this sort of thing myself as well. But that doesn't make any less crappy.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 05:22 PM (bcLhD)

409 I don't think Collins did anything horrible. And I don't think the woman is blameless.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:22 PM (ZPrif)

410 What if she was ghey too and it was a double secret scam?
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 05:20 PM (XIxXP)

She has her another fiance

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (t06LC)

411
Christ if i linger on dancing with the stars a little to long when channel surfing my wife accuses me of being gay.this woman had to have some idea he was batting for the other team

Posted by: kj at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (7IE/u)

412 No one actually did or said anything to anyones face
that's for sure and we had a gay guy in the unit. He could literally
float in a room and noone screamed out "hey look at the faggot".

Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 02, 2013 04:58 PM (o5R8U)


We had a personel-man we called Puddin'. Gay as old Paree', but if you had troubles he was the guy you wanted to talk to. No one cared that he was gay, and this was before DADT.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (yh0zB)

413 >>>Ace, I see the point you're making. But I guess I'm saying is that -- and maybe it's only a gut-level thing that falls apart upon too much scrutiny -- there is a difference between "long-term relationship/engagement/marriage that doesn't work out because the people are ultimately incompatible" and "long-term relationship/engagement/marriage that doesn't work out because one of them is actually HOMOSEXUAL."

the part I'm going to have to insist on is that conservatives are largely the proponents of "traditional values and sexuality," and we're apparently now attacking people for *believing us.*

Look, the guy tried to conform to our ideal, and he failed.

Let's be real and stop bullshitting each other: Between the left and right, it's not the right saying "gays should be who they are." We're actually saying the EXACT OPPOSITE of that. We're actually saying gays should be straight, or try to be.

Well, he tried.

Is he to be pilloried for taking our advice?

Then why did we offer it? Did we mean it or not?



Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (LCRYB)

414 "Kind of a mixed message there, that he should have both embraced his homosexuality earlier but also that we don't wish to know this terrible thing happens, so please keep it a secret shame. "

Because if he's in a gay relationship, he h absolutely must announce it in SI, right?

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (wsGWu)

415 Oh, the humanity, he had no good paths available to him other than the unthinkable, to not be gay. Based on the evidence, he's not gay, he's bi. And if he's a gay, his decisions make him a piece of shit, not any sort of role model.

Posted by: ejo at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (GXvSO)

416 Theatre.Major.

Posted by: toby928

Must have been on the final. He was pretty quick with that Guys and Dolls factoid.

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (R18D0)

417 @408

Exactly.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (t06LC)

418 I presume all the feminists who might otherwise be whining about how shabbily this guy treated the GF in stringing her along, were told to STFU

Posted by: @PurpAv at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (CjkU2)

419 And I don't think the woman is blameless.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:22 PM (ZPrif)

What did she so except for being a stupid SOB?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (9Bj8R)

420 I had about ten thousand tricks up my sleeve to make a woman I wasn't interested in lose interest in me. It doesn't take eight years to unleash a lethal dose of methane, then fluff the covers over her head.

And that was my subtle means.

Posted by: Regular Moron at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (U2UQk)

421
the important thing is that Jason Collins is a 'hero'

in his heroic wake, his ex-fiance and Howie Kurtz's gig at Daily Beast

Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 05:24 PM (LVtr+)

422 She has her another fiance
Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (t06LC)


No silly, Her, rugmuncher, Him Pipe smoker, neither wish to disappoint family and friends with their sinful ways.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 05:24 PM (XIxXP)

423 "I think you're avoiding the part where he was lying to himself in order
to conform to a social standard, a social standard, incidentally, much
championed on our side."

Where is this standard that you speak of? Only people of the right that advocate this standard are the true traditionalists and they're marginalized by the rest of the right as well as the left.

Posted by: lowandslow at May 02, 2013 05:24 PM (Fz2C7)

424 Wait, the "chief conservative" position on homosexuality is that homosexuals should live a lie? When did that get established?

I thought it was, at worst, "hey could you keep your clothes on during the "pride" parade and maybe not suck each other off in front of the children on the street.

Posted by: Kensington at May 02, 2013 05:24 PM (ymYNL)

425 Call me crazy, but I think it was high time Kurtz lost a job over such sloppiness. He's a reporter on the media, for chrissakes. Things like this prove that he cuts corners, reads summaries and not entire articles, and then offers an opinion that frequently turns out to be wrong, stupid, or both. I would not jump to conclusions that this was just about him Criticizing The New Hero Of Teh Gheys.

Not that the Daily Beast has any high journalistic standards, but come on, this was pretty egregious no matter what you actually think about Jason Collins or his actions.

Posted by: rockmom at May 02, 2013 05:24 PM (Q4elb)

426 By most accounts, Jason Collins is not a hall-of-famer and his career's pretty much over.

Was this really all that brave?

Posted by: zsasz at May 02, 2013 05:24 PM (MMC8r)

427 Regarding Collins we have to look at facts based on where he is in his career:
* He has 12 years as a journeyman backup post player.
* He is without a current contract.
* His skills are on the downside - he will never improve.
* Each team needs 2-3 post players coming off the bench on their roster. This equates to ~75 available jobs in the NBA market.
* Some percentage (likely more than half) of these positions are filled by guys already on guaranteed contracts.Those teams will not eat that contract to bring him on board.
* So let's say he's fighting for one of 35 spots on an NBA roster this summer. He is probably more expensive than 90% of the players he's competing with due to the CBA in place and his seniority.
* NBA teams will always take a player with more upside (potential) than an aging veteran - all other things being equal.
* The only "X-factor" is his announced current sexual orientation/preference. (I say 'current' because clearly he chose this orientation after living 30+ years practicing heterosexual behaviors. Who knows - he may chose to switch back next year.)

The conclusion is this: The only reason he may make an NBA roster is the X-Factor, which would be in violation of the CBA. The NBA and the Players Union are hoping beyond hope that this does not happen and they have to confront that fiasco.

I think it'd be fun to see him on the floor next year, only to have Blake Griffin 'posterize' him with a monster dunk. How will ESPN handle THAT video? "He's a courageous young man who just got owned by Blake Griffin. But but but... he sure was courageous to stand there and take it."

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 02, 2013 05:24 PM (EGPJQ)

428 I dated my wife for about 6 months. Then we moved in together. A year after that, she pretty much said to me, we're getting married or we're breaking up. Your call. And I know of many similar stories. I can't fathom a woman hanging around for 8 years. Deep down she knew he was gay and didn't care or she's the world's most naive woman ever.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2013 05:24 PM (HDgX3)

429
Because he didn't give a shit about her. Read the marked-up paragraph up at the top of the post. I, I, I. "I thought I had to marry a woman." He didn't care about HER, he cared about having a woman.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 02, 2013 05:19 PM (/kI1Q)


Narcissist too.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 05:25 PM (bb5+k)

430 I'm glad that no one here has ever ended a relationship that wasn't working after having "USED" the person for years.

-------------------------------

So you're staking out the converse position? That because he is a Gay Man Struggling With Facing His Sexuality he can do no wrong?

Why are his motives not suspect? How does being gay innoculate him from criticism over how he used this woman to cement his position in the NBA?

Is this bending over backwards to not be labeled as a homophobe?

It's like with the racism thing: I'm a racist. Now we don't have to talk about it anymore.

I'm a homophobe. Now can we discuss what he DID rather than what he IS? Or is that too impolite?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 05:25 PM (CJjw5)

431


What if she was ghey too and it was a double secret scam?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet



WNBA, deep voice, and muscle-y. Those are strikes against her. But at the same time, she's physically quite attractive and undeniably fit.

Maybe Collins thought he was the beard.

Posted by: imp at May 02, 2013 05:25 PM (UaxA0)

432 >>> Either he magically switched his " genetic predetrmination " in 20009 or he was a lying shitbag for a decade. His best defense is that he deluded his fiance in order to continue deluding himself? Shitbag. I really hope the fiance insisted on multiple levels of prophylactics.

so you encourage gays to be who they are and just admit and embrace their actual sexual leanings, right?

Or not?

I'm just seeing too much talking out of both sides of the mouth here. I guess I don't care that much, but the inconsistency of this is getting to be a bit much.

Well, if you don't see it, you won't see it, because you're trying desperately hard not to see it.

And if you're determined not to see it, then there's no point in making the point. It will just upset people.

I'll put up a new post.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:25 PM (LCRYB)

433 She has her another fiance

Really? Already? perhaps the word means something different to her.

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 05:25 PM (evdj2)

434 not gay ... Bisexual ... not gay ...

Posted by: JeffC at May 02, 2013 05:25 PM (A3tpD)

435 Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (LCRYB)



Ummm, huh?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 02, 2013 05:25 PM (yCvxi)

436 Ace,

You are loaded for bear. And completely missing the point.

Of course most of us have used women, or men. The issue is that he was being profoundly dishonest about the basic connection between a man and a woman.

There were many ways to get out of that relationship, and he chose none of them. I find that distasteful. I find his homosexuality to be boring in the extreme, and I hope that the topic goes away.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 05:25 PM (/WLC3)

437
You've still got a lot of "no sex until marriage" types (particularly when both are religious).
Posted by: junior



You'd have to assume at some point he had gay sex outside of marriage. So a moral objection to premarital sex seems unlikely -- or awfully situationally specific.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 02, 2013 05:25 PM (kdS6q)

438 because most people do not want to be gay and will lie to themselves and others in an effort to Not Be Gay.





Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 04:41 PM (LCRYB)


Barry: Mostly I just lie to my cult followers. They'll believe any shit I tell 'em.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2013 05:26 PM (1Jaio)

439 I guess we should just all Agree to Pretend on this issue.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:26 PM (LCRYB)

440
I can't believe what I'm reading.

We're saying: Do what you want behind closed doors, but don't stick it in my face or introduce my children to it.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 05:26 PM (Y4TdB)

441 "It's a dick move regardless of its prevalence of lack thereof. This ain't hard."

Exactly!

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 05:26 PM (wsGWu)

442 83 Hah! agree. Wow if she is attractive....nevermind.
I guess beauty is the eye of the beholder, though I do give her credit for finally allowing the pr people to make her somewhat attractive a pinch attractive. Only because it's interesting to see what they might dress her in or hairstyle etc. otherwise she is no natural beauty.

Posted by: lions at May 02, 2013 05:26 PM (X8lif)

443 I bet the chick liked the money and glamour that came with dating an NBA guy.
I don't see any reports of her trying to off herself from the hell she lived through.
I dated a girl with massive hangups about sex who probably would have preferred if I wasn't trying to have sex with her so often.
It wasn't me. She explained it happened with every guy she ever dated.
It sucked -- which is why I didn't date her that long.
She was great except for being mental about sex.
If I would have done everything the same, but just not really wanted to have sex with her much -- she would have loved it. Would have wanted to marry me.
Odd chick.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:26 PM (ZPrif)

444 >>>Of course most of us have used women, or men. The issue is that he was being profoundly dishonest about the basic connection between a man and a woman.

right, so you'd encourage a society in which he felt freer to embrace his actual sexual preferences, right? And thereby avoid putting women through this sort of dishonesty, correct?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:27 PM (LCRYB)

445 We're saying: Do what you want behind closed doors, but don't stick it in my face or introduce my children to it.
Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 05:26 PM (Y4TdB)

^^^^^^
THIS

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 05:27 PM (XIxXP)

446 ))
Look, the guy tried to conform to our ideal, and he failed.



Let's be real and stop bullshitting each other: Between the left and
right, it's not the right saying "gays should be who they are." We're
actually saying the EXACT OPPOSITE of that. We're actually saying gays
should be straight, or try to be.

---

What's this "we" shit?

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 02, 2013 05:27 PM (BVkEs)

447 >>>the part I'm going to have to insist on is that conservatives are
largely the proponents of "traditional values and sexuality," and we're
apparently now attacking people for *believing us.*


Ace, remember who you're talking to here? I've never made those sorts of arguments. I don't hail from that wing of the movement. You're attributing positions to me that I not only don't hold, but have in fact taken a lot of flak around here for attacking myself.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 05:27 PM (bcLhD)

448 He's lying to himself to conform to a social standard. Oh, the humanity, how can I quantify the amount of pain he must have endured as a multi-millionaire who didn't even have to play.

Posted by: ejo at May 02, 2013 05:27 PM (GXvSO)

449 Deep down she knew he was gay and didn't care or she's the world's most
naive woman ever.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo


She must have wondered about the skidmarks in the front of his underwear.

Wait, was that gross? I don't know certain things.

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2013 05:27 PM (R18D0)

450 Whatever Collins' history he has assured himself a future on the team.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2013 05:28 PM (piMMO)

451 I don't know just how much "guts" Jason Collins showed. It was already in doubt he would have a contract for next season. Now he has a perfect ready-made excuse: "I was not picked up because of homophobia, not diminished skills and advancing age."

Posted by: Adjoran at May 02, 2013 05:28 PM (473jB)

452
"It's a dick move regardless of its prevalence of lack thereof. This ain't hard."






A dick move ain't hard. Not much of a move then is it?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 02, 2013 05:28 PM (1Jaio)

453 Ace, he lied to her for eight years about who and what he was.
You don't think that makes him a dirty, low down, scum sucking, dirt bag?
And yeah, as far as I'm concerned, he stole those eight years of her life as far as I'm concerned.
That makes him a liar and a thief. Two of the lowest life forms on the planet.

Posted by: teej at May 02, 2013 05:28 PM (Nsomq)

454

done exactly this sort of thing myself as well. But that doesn't make any less crappy.)

Posted by: Jeff B.



You slow-walked an engagement and then called it off b/c you were gay?

A cry of "I knew JeffB was gay!" goes up from the collective moron nation

Posted by: imp at May 02, 2013 05:28 PM (UaxA0)

455 Today is the birthday of Manfred von Richthofen The Red Baron - Top Ace of WWI, 80 victories. Shot down by Canadian John Brown. I bet he wasn't gay.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West
***

Ther Baron? Very gay. Flamboyant colors? Check. Flamboyant dress and oversized ego? Check. Hung out mostly with men? Check.

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 02, 2013 05:29 PM (uhftQ)

456 Of course not denying that the woman should have maybe ended the engagement herself at some point when it looked like he would never make it happen.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 02, 2013 05:17 PM (RZ8pf)

Good point. I dated a guy who strung me along for about 2 months, knowing that he would never marry me under any circumstances. I was p*ssed when he finally admitted it after I basically forced him to.

I'm not a huge fan of short courtships, but at this age, if a guy I'm dating isn't discussing marriage within a year (I'm not talking about getting engaged), I'm out. I enjoy being single and I refuse to waste my time on a relationship that is going nowhere.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 05:29 PM (6zgse)

457 Anybody got a bead on what just happened?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 02, 2013 05:29 PM (yCvxi)

458
I don't give a shit if Collins is gay. I never heard of him before this week.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 05:21 PM (t06LC)


I've never heard of him either, but I regard him as a prop in the furtherment of the left's agenda to normalize debauchery.


People, the destination of this train is entirely predictable, and it is going to end in a whole lot of ugly.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 05:29 PM (bb5+k)

459 Come out, come out, whoever you are....

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 02, 2013 05:29 PM (BVkEs)

460 I don't get why Ace is so upset.
This seems a light-hearted topic.
It's funny. Nobody got hurt.
Everybody involved in this story is well-off and healthy and, now, famous.
It's funny.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:29 PM (ZPrif)

461 Ther Baron? Very gay. Flamboyant colors? Check. Flamboyant dress and oversized ego? Check. Hung out mostly with men? Check.
Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 02, 2013 05:29 PM (uhftQ)


That was one fancy Airplane.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 05:29 PM (XIxXP)

462

Him: You use sex to get Love!
Her: You use Love to get Sex!
...
Both: Use Me!

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 05:29 PM (evdj2)

463 >>>Ace, he lied to her for eight years about who and what he was.
You don't think that makes him a dirty, low down, scum sucking, dirt bag?
And yeah, as far as I'm concerned, he stole those eight years of her life as far as I'm concerned.
That makes him a liar and a thief. Two of the lowest life forms on the planet.

so gay guys should just come out and be gay so that this sort of thing doesn't happen, right?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (LCRYB)

464 I think the scoamf and the press love him so much because he was able to maintain a lie for so long.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (fCkqS)

465 I guess we should just all Agree to Pretend on this issue.

***

Might be the best option.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (piMMO)

466 Trap the woman? Girlfriend has two legs and a brain, she should have Told Him She Was Tired of Waiting and hit the road if she didn't like his answer.


I Told Thor after three years of no proposal. And he said no way and I said good bye and next thing you know we've been married 22 years.

Some men need tellin'.


He was wrong to string her along, but it was her decision to stay with him.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (PkYpQ)

467 >>>right, so you'd encourage a society in which he felt freer to embrace
his actual sexual preferences, right? And thereby avoid putting women
through this sort of dishonesty, correct?


YES.

YES.

THIS IS NOT HARD.

YES. OPENLY, PROUDLY GAY.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (bcLhD)

468 The only "X-factor" is his announced current sexual orientation/preference. (I say 'current' because clearly he chose this orientation after living 30+ years practicing heterosexual behaviors. Who knows - he may chose to switch back next year.)

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn




*cough* Anne Heche *cough*

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (kdS6q)

469 Freer to embrace his sexual preference? You mean in public like they do, in front of children, in San Fran or like occurred in the class a while back where lesbian relationships were introduced to the youngsters?

Posted by: ejo at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (GXvSO)

470 I'm thinking the reason he stayed 'engaged' to this woman for so many years is that it gave him an excuse to not join the whore train that is the NBA. He knew he was gay and wanted a way to stay in the closet without having to explain why he didn't go after the ladies.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (m2CN7)

471 "And if you're determined not to see it, then there's no point in making the point. It will just upset people. "

And then you get tossed into the volcano.

Happens every day.

Posted by: jwest at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (u2a4R)

472 Well, if you don't see it, you won't see it, because you're trying desperately hard not to see it. And if you're determined not to see it, then there's no point in making the point. It will just upset people. I'll put up a new post.
Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:25 PM (LCRYB)


And if you've decided to see something that isn't there, I guess we should just ignore the crazy guy hallucinating in the middle of the room.

Posted by: Ergie at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (ggRof)

473 >>>Either the gay guy marries the straight woman and subjects her to a life of misery

Ace, I refuse to believe that he went through 8 years of engagement and had 0 sex with his fiance. And she stuck around. OK So he decided he liked men more sexually. I get that. But in reality I get more of the feeling he dumped his fiance not because he *couldn't* be sexual with her, just that he was more attracted to men. Well there is a big long line of men who pass up more sexually desirable partners in order to maintain the fidelity of marriage and family. They aren't living a lie, they are living in a committed relationship. Just the very idea that some people *might* have a choice though is an anathema to the whole LGBT movement who just seem to ignore that the average male has been bucking his natural sexuality for commitment to family for nigh on 5000 years, maybe longer.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (0q2P7)

474 Ace>because most people do not want to be gay and will lie to themselves and others in an effort to Not Be Gay.



Toby>I guess one could conceivable lie themselves into an erection.

Could you lie your way to an erection with another dude? I couldn't. Not even for a million bucks. My junk just wouldn't work.

Posted by: DanInMN at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (XqeyF)

475 If he just recently discovered he was gay somehow I don't have a problem with the dude, if he knew for some time he was gay and just strung this girl along, he's a dick.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (4cRnj)

476 I'd like to be the first to congratulate Jason Collins on winning this year's Nobel Peace Prize whenever that gets awarded.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (AC0lD)

477 "right, so you'd encourage a society in which he felt freer to embrace
his actual sexual preferences, right? And thereby avoid putting women
through this sort of dishonesty, correct?"

Where are getting this notion that our society stigmatizes being unmarried? It's been decades since that's been true.

Posted by: lowandslow at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (Fz2C7)

478 She must have wondered about the skidmarks in the front of his underwear.Wait, was that gross? I don't know certain things.
Posted by: Dang
***

I never thought about that. There would be unless a condom was used, huh? Ick.

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (uhftQ)

479 Ace - no one is saying we should play let's pretend. My goodness. We're just talking past each other. Two points with validity missing the connection because of the limitations of the internet. Also, morons.

Posted by: mama winger, waiting for the court martial to begin at May 02, 2013 05:31 PM (P6QsQ)

480 Who the fuck is pretending?ace, if we're putting it all out there, I experimented a bit in college and wrote my AP English paper on how gay marriage should be allowed. So let's not get into accusations that anyone who thinks it's shitty to string someone along is a secret homophobe.

I'd think the exact same thing if some straight guy told me that he'd been engaged for 8 years but really didn't want to marry his fiancé. It's cowardly for anyone to do that. Gay , straight, transgendered, or just a jack ass.

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 05:31 PM (wsGWu)

481 @437 You'd have to assume at some point he had gay sex outside of marriage. So a moral objection to premarital sex seems unlikely -- or awfully situationally specific.
------------------
I'm pretty certain that moral objections weren't used as a pre-text. As I said, when you've got a moral objection to pre-marital sex, you also typically have both parties trying to get the marriage over and done with as quickly as is convenient. I fall into the "moral objection" category myself, and I've got a a couple of friends who just got engaged to their girlfriends. In both cases, the engagement is just three months.

There was definitely no "moral objection" pre-text rationale provided to avoid sex if he was engaged to her for 8 years.

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 05:31 PM (UWFpX)

482 In other news, Lawrence O'Donnell, the draft-dodger, goes after Mitt Romney for not serving in Vietnam. Then he praises Vietnam war protestors (from Newsbusters):


http://tinyurl.com/bqknj2q

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 02, 2013 05:31 PM (lVPtV)

483 Let's not forget the obvoius: Every WNBA chick (and many many other chicks) simplyaspire to end up with an NBA guy. They'll hang around forever if it means they have a chance.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 02, 2013 05:31 PM (EGPJQ)

484 And now for a little breakdown -
http://youtu.be/i7iQbBbMAFE

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 05:31 PM (ULEme)

485
Imagine the talent the kids would have by a Jason Collins-Reggie Love marriage. I mean you are talking basketball prodigies being bred there.

Wait....

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 02, 2013 05:31 PM (jKWYf)

486 >>>You slow-walked an engagement and then called it off b/c you were gay?

Very funny. No, I was referring to the idea of staying with a girl who you knew you didn't see much of a future with because...well, let's not get too brutal or crude here, but figure it out. I've done that in the past. And I actually feel wracked with guilt over it: it governed all my future relationship decisions with women going forward.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 05:31 PM (bcLhD)

487 I Told Thor after three years of no proposal. And he said no way and I said good bye and next thing you know we've been married 22 years.

Some men need tellin'.


That's what Mrs. sailor did to me, only it was after two years.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 02, 2013 05:32 PM (XIxXP)

488 Ace: Either the gay guy marries the straight woman and subjects her to a life of misery or he dumps her.
----

People break up all the time. He could have broken up with her earlier. Being dumped at least frees you to move on with your life since it's now clear that the other person isn't interested in you. Dumping her would have been the better course of action.

I have been dumped before. (Hard to believe, I know. ). And now I am very very glad it happened.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 05:32 PM (6zgse)

489 It's not his gayness that is the issue...

It's that he's using it to bolster his career.
And for job security.

Just like he used the ex-girlfriend.

If anything happens to him now, career-wise, that he doesn't like...now, he can claim "discrimination!'...because of being gay.

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2013 05:32 PM (3B3wv)

490 ==so gay guys should just come out and be gay so that this sort of thing doesn't happen, right?

---

Epiphany?

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 02, 2013 05:32 PM (BVkEs)

491 >>>I don't get why Ace is so upset.
This seems a light-hearted topic.
It's funny. Nobody got hurt.
Everybody involved in this story is well-off and healthy and, now, famous.
It's funny.

I'm not upset, I'm disappointed. Every rule, every policy has some sort of drawback somewhere, some kind of unwanted, often unforeseen consequence.

Every policy will hurt someone -- even good policies! There is always going to be that corner-case thing where a generally good rule hurts someone. And that's the GOOD rules. The bad rules will wind up hurting most people.

This is one of the consequences of "Our Rule" on homosexuality. If you support the rule, you also have to accept the unwanted consequences of it.

We cannot hold the position that gay people should try to suppress their gayness and not have gay sex and that jump on someone for doing *precisely as we advised.*

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:32 PM (LCRYB)

492 Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:27 PM (LCRYB)

Yes. I would accept that society.

otherwise I am a complete fraud, and I hope I'm not. But that doesn't mean that I am for gay marriage.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 05:32 PM (/WLC3)

493 And y'all...he was trying hard to not be gay. I don't think he was purposely using her to hide his gayness, I think he was trying to make the relationship work and I have no doubt he loved her.

Just, ya know, he prefers the boystick and who am I to blame him, cuz I do too.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 02, 2013 05:33 PM (PkYpQ)

494 This reminds me of TARP.

Posted by: nip at May 02, 2013 05:33 PM (lGVXf)

495 so gay guys should just come out and be gay so that this sort of thing doesn't happen, right?

At a minimum, though I'd prefer that they have a flagman run in front of them whereever they go.

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 05:33 PM (evdj2)

496
so is stringing along a girl for eight years then announcing you're gay a flagrant 1 or 2?

Posted by: kj at May 02, 2013 05:33 PM (7IE/u)

497 so gay guys should just come out and be gay so that this sort of thing doesn't happen, right?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (LCRYB)

It's hard ( no pun intended) to follow this seriously. I can only speak for myself, I just don't care what anybodies sexual preference is. i just don't really want to hear about it and I think it is outrageous that people are calling him a hero or even a villain for that matter. I wish he would just shut the fuck up and go do what ever he wants in private.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 05:33 PM (9Bj8R)

498 Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 05:19 PM (UWFpX)

And we "no sex before marriage types" can still tell whether our beau is gay or not. There are, ahem, signs.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 05:34 PM (6zgse)

499 Maybe, I don't know, top 33%"

Ace,

You have got to be kidding.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at May 02, 2013 05:34 PM (deaac)

500 That was one fancy Airplane.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West
***

That's my point. The scarf he wore, his loveof show tunes...very gay.
Plus he liked to get behind other pilots....

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 02, 2013 05:34 PM (uhftQ)

501 Look, all us guys experimented and sucked-off 12 to 13 dudes in college, what we didn't do is lie to women.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:34 PM (4cRnj)

502 So ace is it your position that every gay guy in the closet is forced to be engaged?

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 05:34 PM (m2CN7)

503 I just can't imagine for a minute being so 'conflicted' about my sexual gender preference for a mate that I have to think about it. Not ONE fucking minute, much less eight years.

I'm hardly a Harley driving dude with 20 inch biceps, but you gotta know what floats your boat. If it takes a fucking decade, then there's something else at work here. Which I suspect is lies. Don't tell me gays lie, you'll completely eliminate what little respect I have for them, as is.

Posted by: Regular Moron at May 02, 2013 05:34 PM (U2UQk)

504 450 Whatever Collins' history he has assured himself a future on the team.
------
Nyet, see #427

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 02, 2013 05:34 PM (EGPJQ)

505 >>>
I'd think the exact same thing if some straight guy told me that he'd been engaged for 8 years but really didn't want to marry his fiancé. It's cowardly for anyone to do that. Gay , straight, transgendered, or just a jack ass.

well I do agree, but as long as we're passing out blame for this situation, we might want to maybe inquire into who exactly is pushing the idea that gay guys ought to at least try to be straight to see if it's "just a choice."

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:34 PM (LCRYB)

506 Yes, Ace, we have fallen into your semantic trap.

All along, your redneck sister-fuckin, gay-hating readers have advocated for rounding up Teh Gheys and putting them in camps, but now you have tricked us with a either/or scenario that forces us to admit that "Hey, maybe we should have a society where gay dudes can dress in drag and blow each other at festivals in public parks. Because we don't have anything like that now.'

It's posts like these where I really believe that you either really don't understand most of us, or you just hold us in contempt.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 05:34 PM (CJjw5)

507
The reason why the fiance was brought up in the first place is because today Jason Collins is a 'hero.'

But as a fiance, he's a zero. The gay thing is just incidental.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 05:35 PM (+oin+)

508 Collins career is over...in the NBA. You see, black athletes tend to be, shall we say, not very open to this sort of thing. But you know who is open, very open, to being a brave gay person? Sports media. He's angling for a sports media talking head type position. (Not that kind...nevermind.) Anyway, just you wait.

Posted by: holmes at May 02, 2013 05:35 PM (3E1tg)

509 >>>So ace is it your position that every gay guy in the closet is forced to be engaged?

No, but i'm saying that is the Consensus Advice that people on the right would give him.

After all, it's just a choice. He can choose to be straight, and should so choose.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:35 PM (LCRYB)

510 North Korea "will move closer" to its announced goal of being able to strike the US with a nuclear-armed missile if it keeps investing in tests of nuclear and missile technology, the Pentagon said Thursday in a report to Congress.

The unclassified version of the report, which was required by a 2012 law, offered no estimate of when North Korea might achieve that capability. It said the pace of progress will depend in part on how many resources are invested. (AP)

And they spent actually real money coming up with that conclusion?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 05:35 PM (9Bj8R)

511 so gay guys should just come out and be gay so that this sort of thing doesn't happen, right? "

Yes. Why do you write it like you've just trapped us? Be gay. I don't care. My only, only issue with homosexuality is when it's used as a hammer to bully Christian florists and photographers ect.

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 05:35 PM (wsGWu)

512 Ace, you live in NYC, when was the last time a guy being gay was newsworthy? We're not talking about a generic gay guy, we're talking about the brand spanking new spokesman for all that is right and just. Might as well know who we're talking about, and JC was a sub-par pro who apparently led a subpar personal life. They'll name an arena after him anyway.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 05:35 PM (ZshNr)

513 >>>This is one of the consequences of "Our Rule" on homosexuality. If
you support the rule, you also have to accept the unwanted consequences
of it.



>>>We cannot hold the position that gay people should try to suppress
their gayness and not have gay sex and that jump on someone for doing
*precisely as we advised.*


One more time, Ace, in the hopes you'll answer me: who in this thread is making this argument? Maybe that one crazy guy DiogenesLamp (dunno, haven't checked, but seems like the sort of thing he'd say), but who else?

I think most people think: hey if you're gay, be gay. That's cool. Don't go all AGENDA on my ass with it, but for god's sake don't lie to yourself about it either and make everyone around you more miserable in the act.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 05:36 PM (bcLhD)

514 We cannot hold the position that gay people should try to suppress their
gayness and not have gay sex and that jump on someone for doing
*precisely as we advised.*

---

Again, this "we" shit. Speak for yourself.

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 02, 2013 05:36 PM (BVkEs)

515 We cannot hold the position that gay people should try to suppress their gayness and not have gay sex and that jump on someone for doing *precisely as we advised.*

---------------------------

See? Who is "we?" Who has put that forth as a reasonable position?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 05:36 PM (CJjw5)

516 I haven't really been keeping up with this story (although that doesn't keep me from commenting, obviously) but is the story that the couple didn't have sex during their engagement?

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 05:36 PM (evdj2)

517
He used this girl and slo walked the marriage so that he wouldn't be outed as gay. Thats not brave, its cowardly. Now at the end of his career, 'look how fabulous I am!'

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 02, 2013 05:36 PM (jKWYf)

518 This is one of the consequences of "Our Rule" on homosexuality. If you support the rule, you also have to accept the unwanted consequences of it.

We cannot hold the position that gay people should try to suppress their gayness and not have gay sex and that jump on someone for doing *precisely as we advised.*

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:32 PM (LCRYB)


****************


What about this?

It is the same problem with cheating.

He was holding all the cards, keeping his options open--while withholding information and limiting her choices.

It's an issue of free will.

He curtailed her free will by keeping pertinent information away from her, while keeping all of his options open.

That is the wrong that is going on--it has very little to do with him being "gay", it is the exact same thing that is wrong with "cheating".

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 05:36 PM (r2PLg)

519 "I'd think the exact same thing if some straight guy told me that he'd been engaged for 8 years but really didn't want to marry his fiancé. It's cowardly for anyone to do that. Gay , straight, transgendered, or just a jack ass."


That's pretty much what I took from the thread. And then it seems ace really really wanted to talk about something else.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 02, 2013 05:36 PM (yCvxi)

520 You can't blame a guy for trying to do what you say is ideal.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:20 PM (LCRYB)

Actually, yes I can. Especially if he hurts someone else while doing what's ideal. Lot's of people don't live ideal lives.

Again, he didn't have to come out earlier. But he didn't need to get engaged for 8 frickin years either.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 05:37 PM (6zgse)

521 After all, it's just a choice. He can choose to be straight, and should so choose. - ace

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My work here is finished! Hallelujah!!

Posted by: mama winger, waiting for the court martial to begin at May 02, 2013 05:37 PM (P6QsQ)

522 That's my point. The scarf he wore, his loveof show tunes...very gay.

Plus he liked to get behind other pilots....

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale

Pretty much shot his load at every dude's tail he saw.

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2013 05:37 PM (R18D0)

523 Where are getting this notion that our society stigmatizes being unmarried?

Lol. Just about any comment thread here.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 02, 2013 05:37 PM (/kI1Q)

524 He could have just stayed single.

What would be the big problem with that?

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 05:37 PM (r2PLg)

525 "It's posts like these where I really believe that you either really don't understand most of us, or you just hold us in contempt."

Ace tries to understand you. It's me that holds you in contempt.

Posted by: jwest at May 02, 2013 05:37 PM (u2a4R)

526 Mrs. Van Dune proposed to me 35 years ago. Now she claims it was me what proposed to her! She's obviously getting a bit senile, but she can still cook.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 02, 2013 05:38 PM (fb100)

527 Nyet, see #427

***

I think they will keep him because to let him go now would enrage the gheys and kickoff the allegation that he was fired BECAUSE he is gay.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2013 05:38 PM (piMMO)

528 After all, it's just a choice. He can choose to be straight, and should so choose.



Posted by: ace


If you don't believe it is a choice, as I do, then how can you defend someone who got engaged on a ruse? The girl's life might have been totally different and a lot better, but she'll never know,

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:38 PM (4cRnj)

529 but who else?

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Me.

Posted by: mama winger, waiting for the court martial to begin at May 02, 2013 05:38 PM (P6QsQ)

530
I'm thinking the reason he stayed 'engaged' to this woman for so many
years is that it gave him an excuse to not join the whore train that is
the NBA. He knew he was gay and wanted a way to stay in the closet
without having to explain why he didn't go after the ladies.

_______________________________


My uncle was a professional athlete of some renown, or as much renown as someone with a career in the NHL can have in the United States at the time. All professional athletes in the 4 majors have their pick of a bevy of whores on the road and at home. On the road, whores will ask who someone is to confirm that this one or that one is on the team before making a pass. It would be much easier to fake heterosexuality with implied whoremongering than an eight year committed relationship with a woman. She was either in on it, or he was not really exclusively gay.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 02, 2013 05:39 PM (nnkXw)

531
I'd put her around 50%. Shes not fugly, not anything to write home about.



She doesn't exactly have the face to launch a thousand Birds of Prey or anything.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 04:33 PM (t06LC)







I saw what you did there. Well done.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 02, 2013 05:39 PM (TIIx5)

532 Lol. Just about any comment thread here.

***

then I am the biggest of anti-morons.

I haven't been married for nearly 30 years and my last serious relationship ended in 1998. I've dated, but nothing serious.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2013 05:39 PM (piMMO)

533 Ace tries to understand you. It's me that holds you in contempt.

Posted by: jwest at May 02, 2013 05:37 PM (u2a4R)

----------------------------

Yeah. Nobody cares, bitchboy. You're fresh out of fake internet friends.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 05:39 PM (CJjw5)

534 Meanwhile Democrats never sleep about destroying voter integrity.

One in Tennessee by the name of Jim Cooper wants a 28th Amendment. And of course he trotted out Florida elections on why such an amendment is needed. Of course he shocked his audience by rattling off a string of racial slurs to prove his point while calling his own father a racist.

http://tinyurl.com/cldedou

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 05:40 PM (ULEme)

535 This is one of the consequences of "Our Rule" on homosexuality. If you support the rule, you also have to accept the unwanted consequences of it. We cannot hold the position that gay people should try to suppress their gayness and not have gay sex and that jump on someone for doing *precisely as we advised.* -------------------------------------
I could care less about Jason Collins. The issue here is the MFM Bowing To The Act Of Declaring Homosexuality In A Different Marketplace. Big whip! If he announced he was a druid who was into beastiality, would they cover it the same?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 02, 2013 05:40 PM (EGPJQ)

536 Let's be real and stop bullshitting each other: Between the left and right, it's not the right saying "gays should be who they are." We're actually saying the EXACT OPPOSITE of that. We're actually saying gays should be straight, or try to be.



Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (LCRYB)


I look at it differently. Someone that has an unnatural attraction to a non-mating partner or object has a serious mental illness. This was the consensus of the Psychiatric community up until 1973 when they were brow beaten by threats and mobs of angry "gays" into changing the official classification of it as a mental disorder.


It was not so long ago that I read a Psychiatrists assessment of "chaz" Bono in which he pointed out that she was a deeply injured person from a mental health perspective. Perhaps the years she spent being molested by her Lesbian baby sitter are the cause, but the results for her gene line is extinction.

There will be no descendants of her human pattern. Evolution doesn't play.


Homosexuality is a terrible and pointless affliction, and it ought more accurately be compared to contracting polio or something.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 05:40 PM (bb5+k)

537 No, but i'm saying that is the Consensus Advice that people on the right would give him. After all, it's just a choice. He can choose to be straight, and should so choose.
Posted by: ace
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SOME on the right would say that. Most of the 'rons here don't seem to take that position.

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 02, 2013 05:40 PM (uhftQ)

538 >>>Again, this "we" shit. Speak for yourself.

Seriously! Not only is Ace 1.) failing to distinguish between the commenters around here -- who are by and large about on the same page with this specific point as, say, Reason's staff or fuckin' GOProud for that matter -- and the "religious conservative" movement or whomever he's got a bug up his ass about, he is also; 2.) pretty wrong about what mainline conservatism now generally preaches about homosexuality. Near as I can tell the opposition is to the political agenda, not the fact of gayness itself.

Aside from the truly fucked-up "gay cure" camps done by fundies, I don't know of any wing of modern conservatism that argues gay people who actually Really Gay should lie about it to themselves and to others.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 05:40 PM (bcLhD)

539 After all, it's just a choice. He can choose to be straight, and should so choose.
Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:35 PM (LCRYB)

So you believe all during this time he was conflicted about his sexuality? So during this engagement do you also think he remained faithful?

Its my opinion he always knew he was gay and had no intention of choosing to be straight. He used her as a beard for eight years. That's dishonest and unfair to the girl.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 05:40 PM (m2CN7)

540 Pro tip: If a guy keeps putting off marrying you after an eight-year engagement, you might have a problem. Either he's teh ghey, or he's just not that into you.
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Had a GF for 21 years. Had 3 kids together. It wasn't stringing her along, as we both agreed that the 2k tax hit per year from getting a state sanctioned marriage was better spent raising the family. Also the eventual divorce was ungodly simple.

Posted by: Up With People! at May 02, 2013 05:40 PM (FmFB3)

541 Our Rule? What new fucking construct is this?

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 05:40 PM (ZshNr)

542 Wow....no one light a match. Strawmen everywhere!

Posted by: Tami at May 02, 2013 05:41 PM (X6akg)

543
Howie Carr is talking with the Obama-supporting RINO who is running for Senate in MA.

He's onboard with the Gang of Eight.
Plus, he's dumb enough to use a speaker-phone when talking to Howie.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 05:41 PM (ZgBZU)

544

If you support the rule, you also have to accept the unwanted consequences of it.


ace, the "Our Rule" about gays was part and parcel of the social system in which society was about community improvement and not individual fulfillment. We can debate which is preferable (and which one leads to widespread social instability and collapse) but to attempt to impose earlier rules of morality in a fundamentally different age doesn't work. If you asked people who thing along the lines of your strawman that gays should get married and have kids, then that goes part and parcel with no premarital sex, very few divorces, and a strong public emphasis on chastity.

None of which apply today.

So the "Our Rule" of which you speak is one that no one can possibly attempt to enforce without bringing in the other strictures that went with it. We used to have a SYSTEM in western civilization. We have jettisoned that system with nothing to replace it or guide us.

God help us all.

Posted by: imp at May 02, 2013 05:41 PM (UaxA0)

545 If gay is the new normal, how come being gay is still news?

Posted by: Anchovy at May 02, 2013 05:41 PM (sv7CT)

546 You're fresh out of fake internet friends.

Bam!

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 05:41 PM (evdj2)

547 Wow....no one light a match. Strawmen everywhere!

***

I can see the headlines now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2013 05:42 PM (piMMO)

548 Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:35 PM (LCRYB)

What consensus?

If I had to pinpoint a consensus on this blog it would be: "I don't give a fuck where you put your dick, just don't do it in public or in front of me."

There is very little serious homophobia around here, and a massive number of jokes made.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 05:42 PM (/WLC3)

549 In the Left's Hierarchy of Victims, gay dudes outrank lesbians, right?

Posted by: zsasz at May 02, 2013 05:42 PM (MMC8r)

550 my give-a-shite meter is broken on this one I guess

but, still, thread is somewhat entertaining

most people - I don't want to know about their sexual proclivities.

at. all.

I think he was happy to bone her and get smoked, then had a dude smoke him, and found out he liked that too. we joke about Arabic (and others, ahem) being gay but thinking "no b/c I am the pitcher."

but . . . there's something to that, of course.

thousands of years of human history, for example.

Methinks this "Gay Identity, Inborn and True" thing is somewhat of a Romantic Ideal.

I don't happen to believe in those. I say this as an embarrassed Alpha Widow, too. We are all feeble beasts when it comes to that side of things.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 02, 2013 05:42 PM (2up3Q)

551 "It's posts like these where I really believe that you either really don't understand most of us, or you just hold us in contempt.


Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 05:34 PM (CJjw5)"



I'm going with the latter, but on a temporary basis. He really seems to be making an epic effort to resist that hectoring tone he despises so much.


The weird thing is, he's doing it with a bunch of people who aren't here.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 02, 2013 05:42 PM (yCvxi)

552 He apparently did choose to be straight for quite some time, unless he and his girlfriend of eight years didn't engage in sex. Now he has apparently decided to be gay. What next year will bring, who knows. I just don't understand why he's just another guy if he is banging a woman but is some sort of superhero when he is banging or getting banged by a man. Isn't it the same Jason Collins or does being a homosexual, in and of itself, elevate you morally?

Posted by: ejo at May 02, 2013 05:42 PM (GXvSO)

553 At a minimum, though I'd prefer that they have a flagman run in front of them whereever they go.
Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 05:33 PM (evdj2)


-----------------------------------------


What? Them wearing a silk scarf isn't enough?

Posted by: Soona at May 02, 2013 05:43 PM (cRuc4)

554 527 Nyet, see #427 *** I think they will keep him because to let him go now would enrage the gheys and kickoff the allegation that he was fired BECAUSE he is gay.
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I think it'll be just the opposite. They won't want touch him with a 7-foot pole (so to speak). If you have him on your roster, you'll be pressured to play him. If you're pressured to play him, you'll get exactly what he is on the court -an average backup post player with limited skills and a TON of baggage.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 02, 2013 05:43 PM (EGPJQ)

555 So my read is that this Collins dude is significant because he plays in one of our 3 major sports -- baseball, football, and basketball. Of course if you asked logprof, we would have to include the NHL, but that is probably due to him being dropped on his head as a baby. And if someone tried to include soccer, well, I think you'd have to declare being straight to get any reaction.....that game being so gay to start with.

Anyhow, I just don't see this as 'bravery'. Admitting you are gay in the military prior to the end of DADT -- that took some guts because you just became unemployed. Admitting you are gay in a country with muslims in charge -- sure, if you want an instant death sentence. Admitting you are a gay Catholic priest -- dunno, but you better not be a practicing gay in this case because of that whole celibacy thing.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 02, 2013 05:43 PM (ccXZP)

556 Pretty much shot his load at every dude's tail he saw.
Posted by: Dang
***

He was famous for it!

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 02, 2013 05:43 PM (uhftQ)

557 He DID choose to be straight, now he's choosing to be gay. Why is that such a fucking paradox to people?

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 05:43 PM (ZshNr)

558 How can Pravda pretend it has no bias when anyone who does not immediately get a boner when thinking of a Gay gets purged?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 02, 2013 05:44 PM (2YIjo)

559 Homosexuality is a terrible and pointless
affliction, and it ought more accurately be compared to contracting
polio or something.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 05:40 PM (bb5+k)

You really are an idiot.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 05:44 PM (/WLC3)

560 If you're pressured to play him, you'll get exactly what he is on the
court -an average backup post player with limited skills and a TON of
baggage.


That no one's gonna press because a foul is gonna get 'em charged with a hate crime. Could be some utility there.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 02, 2013 05:44 PM (/kI1Q)

561 >>>I'm going with the latter, but on a temporary basis. He really
seems to be making an epic effort to resist that hectoring tone he
despises so much.


Exactly.

Dude, when *I* think your tone is way over-the-top hectoring assholishness, you have crossed a threshold few mortals have ever trod beyond.

Posted by: Jeff B., who knows a little something about "hectoring" at May 02, 2013 05:44 PM (bcLhD)

562 If the government forced all gays to wear a scarlet G on their blouses this could be avoided.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:44 PM (4cRnj)

563 love how hannity is talking about political correctness yet he keeps calling the war of northern agression, the civil war...that's right i went there.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 02, 2013 05:44 PM (GVxQo)

564 I'm still not seeing the comments where people say not being married is not o.k., Heather. Is it possible you're getting some flack from others in your life and projecting it on posters here/ Or if some posters said it I don't think it's a general consensus at all. I think they might have a problem with single rabid feminists who rail about evil men, but you're not that. I don't assume all the comments here (some of which i think are really stupid) represent the entirety of conservatism.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 05:44 PM (INYkK)

565 Ok, Ace, do you think it's morally ok that many people (including many of your commenters) think gays are icky? That they just have an instinctive revulsion?

Cause I think you don't think it's ok. I think you find it tacky and low class.

Although I'm guessing that you probably also find hardcore gay porn kinda icky.

It seems like trying to have a policy discussion when it's mainly about gut-level instincts of revulsion.

That's the main argument it seems in gay rights. Most people found gays, especially men, icky and gross. And now the ruling class has that as a marker -- only low class peasants admit to being grossed out by gay sex.

I think it's also an age thing due to web porn.

Just seems odd to want idea-level policy ideas about such a gut-level subject.

Is there some ideal policy for how to treat people who like to poop on each other? Am I allowed to be grossed out by that?

Sex and disgust are strongly linked. Neurologically.
Always has been, always will be.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:44 PM (ZPrif)

566
The only acceptable solution which would satisfy is "Don't be gay."
Posted by: ace



Take the gay out of it since it seems to be causing certain reflexes to kick in.

Jason tells his girlfriend he's an astronaut. She dates him because she would like to be married to an astronaut and have his little astrobabies.

After almost a decade, Jason dumps her and announces to the world that he was never an astronaut, but instead was always a junior highschool English teacher.

Dick move towards the girl. do we agree?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 02, 2013 05:44 PM (kdS6q)

567 It would be much easier to fake heterosexuality with implied whoremongering than an eight year committed relationship with a woman. She was either in on it, or he was not really exclusively gay.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 02, 2013 05:39 PM (nnkXw)

My point is he did not want to sleep with women to fake his sexuality and used the excuse to his teamates that his lack of sleeping around is because he was engaged and staying faithful.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 05:45 PM (m2CN7)

568 I hate this long engagements that are now fashionable. Why be engaged for years and years and years? Worse, is when they have kids and still are engaged. What the fuck is up with dat?

Posted by: waldo at May 02, 2013 05:45 PM (sXWmd)

569 Look, all us guys experimented and sucked-off 12 to 13 dudes in college, what we didn't do is lie to women.


Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:34 PM (4cRnj)



*suddenly glad i didn't go to college*

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 02, 2013 05:45 PM (yh0zB)

570
Garter belt sweat bands. And the basketballs will now be flesh colored. And hairy. And before the player shoots, he has to lick the ball. They're still working out the design for the backboard.
Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2013 05:11 PM (R18D0)


And don't even ask about the redesigned hoop.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 02, 2013 05:46 PM (IDSI7)

571 If the government forced all gays to wear a scarlet G on their blouses this could be avoided.
Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:44 PM (4cRnj)

If they did that, you can bet your sweet ass ( in a manner of speaking) that people would stop naming their kids Gary

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 05:46 PM (9Bj8R)

572 You wanna be gay? Go be gay. I just can't stand the flamboyancy and over the top gayness.

Watched Chopped All-Stars the other night and they had that former US ice skater on......the REALLY gay gay gay one. That just drives me up a wall.

You wanna be gay? Fine. When you stand there and scream LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!! I don't want to be anywhere near you or care about what you go through.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 02, 2013 05:46 PM (xmcEQ)

573 But the question that will probably never be answered now. Did the Red Baron sing show tunes like from Porgy and Bess while hammering all that Allied tail?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 05:46 PM (ULEme)

574 >>>love how hannity is talking about political correctness yet he keeps
calling the war of northern agression, the civil war...that's right i
went there.....


Wait, what? Tell me this is a joke.

I want to hear you say that you're not serious about this.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 05:46 PM (bcLhD)

575 >>>SOME on the right would say that. Most of the 'rons here don't seem to take that position.

Look, right, yes.

But I am speaking broadly on the right. We're in a coalition with people who have this POV, and thus, we have agreed, not necessarily happily but agreed nonetheless, to support this sort of idea, this push for the suppression of homosexuality in hopes that one day a gay guy might decide he's actually straight.

There are going to be consequences in such a policy. Most policies have consequences. So does this one.

The consequence of strong social disapproval of homosexuality is some people will in fact counterfeit their sexual preferences and pretend to be straight.

Except for the nights they cruise the highway rest-stops, etc.

There's a downside to this position.

Yes, Jason Collins treated this girl badly. I don't dispute that. But if we're assigning blame for that bad treatment we are being dishonest if we don't sort of note that maybe we pushed this idea ourselves, or at least let it be pushed by our political allies and didn't say boo about it.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:46 PM (LCRYB)

576 The team's position should be 'He's not a very good player...are we supposed to treat bad homosexual players differently than bad straight players?'

Posted by: zsasz at May 02, 2013 05:46 PM (MMC8r)

577 557 He DID choose to be straight, now he's choosing to be gay. Why is that such a fucking paradox to people?
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 05:43 PM (ZshNr)

*************

Really?


He said it was a choice?

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 05:47 PM (r2PLg)

578 534 Meanwhile Democrats never sleep about destroying voter integrity.One in Tennessee by the name of Jim Cooper wants a 28th Amendment. And of course he trotted out Florida elections on why such an amendment is needed. Of course he shocked his audience by rattling off a string of racial slurs to prove his point while calling his own father a racist.http://tinyurl.com/cldedou
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Instapundit had a link that I mentioned in another thread about how Colorado is trying to get around the "restrictive" voter laws - switch to nothing but mail-in ballots.

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 05:47 PM (UWFpX)

579 The consequence of strong social disapproval of homosexuality is some people will in fact counterfeit their sexual preferences and pretend to be straight.
And? Is that an argument against strong social disapproval?

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 05:48 PM (evdj2)

580 Yes, Jason Collins treated this girl badly. I don't
dispute that. But if we're assigning blame for that bad treatment we
are being dishonest if we don't sort of note that maybe we pushed this
idea ourselves, or at least let it be pushed by our political allies and
didn't say boo about it.





Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:46 PM (LCRYB)
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Uh, no. This collective guilt argument does not fly with me.

Posted by: mama winger, waiting for the court martial to begin at May 02, 2013 05:48 PM (P6QsQ)

581 He chose to live with and propose a straight marriage to a straight woman, so yeah, he chose that.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 05:48 PM (ZshNr)

582 If the government forced all gays to wear a scarlet G on their blouses this could be avoided.

Penny Marshal's "L" sweaters in Laverne and Shirley were prescient!

Posted by: Future Reporter at May 02, 2013 05:48 PM (I88Jc)

583 Totally O/T...

Someone help me out here...

Last year there was this story about Barky being given a huge mansion in Hawaii.
Wasn't that Penny Pritzker who gave him that mansion?

Or am I remembering it wrong.

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2013 05:48 PM (3B3wv)

584 475
If he just recently discovered he was gay somehow I don't have a problem
with the dude, if he knew for some time he was gay and just strung this
girl along, he's a dick.


Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:30 PM (4cRnj)

____________
Nobody just finds out they're gay in their 30s.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2013 05:48 PM (HDgX3)

585 We're in a coalition with people who have this POV,


***************

I think you are blowing that percentage up--waaaay out of proportion possible because the Liberal media wants to magnify that for their various purposes and points you that away.

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 05:48 PM (r2PLg)

586
All I know is I hope that I am still alive when the gay gene is found and being used as a reason for abortion.

That is gonna be some popcorn time watching that lefty fight. I don't even know which side is higher on the victim pyramid.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 02, 2013 05:49 PM (jKWYf)

587 We should be praising Jason Collins, he just increased his chances of getting laid by 3%.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:49 PM (4cRnj)

588 My point is he did not want to sleep with women to
fake his sexuality and used the excuse to his teamates that his lack of
sleeping around is because he was engaged and staying faithful.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 05:45 PM (m2CN7)
____________________________
Yeah, and my point is that it's easier to fake having straight, penis-in-vagina sex by surrounding yourself with loose, transient women who don't have access to your teammates' WAGs. People are going to assume that a wealthy professional athlete surrounded by whores in clubs and in party settings is screwing his share, without requiring confirmation from any one of them. Mission accomplished and no icky vagina sauce on him. Not so with an eight year exclusive relationship leading to an engagement.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 02, 2013 05:49 PM (nnkXw)

589 Never been married I see. Honey how is that stew I cooked? Oh great dear, wish i could have it every night.Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 05:21 PM (9Bj8R)Just make sure your mouth appears to be full of said stew and mumble "mmmm". That's french for "this tastes like shit" but she won't understand.

Posted by: madamemayhem at May 02, 2013 05:49 PM (S2RnE)

590 I don't really think we're assigning blame here. We're mocking, as we do. You presented us an object to ridicule, and now your mad that we did.

Know your audience.

Or something.

Posted by: toby928 at May 02, 2013 05:49 PM (evdj2)

591 Dear Jason Collins:

I'm sorry I made you pretend to be straight.

Sincerely,

Zsasz

Posted by: zsasz at May 02, 2013 05:50 PM (MMC8r)

592 Last year there was this story about Barky being given a huge mansion in Hawaii.

Wasn't that Penny Pritzker who gave him that mansion?



Or am I remembering it wrong.





Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2013 05:48 PM (3B3wv)

____________
Was this story on Alex Jones, WND or Glenn Beck's web site? That may be your first clue about the authenticity.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2013 05:50 PM (HDgX3)

593 581 He chose to live with and propose a straight marriage to a straight woman, so yeah, he chose that.
Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 05:48 PM (ZshNr)

***********

It's possible he chose to lie.

That is an oppression of her free will.

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 05:50 PM (r2PLg)

594 Ace, we're criticizing the guy for playing the "I was afraid of social pressure" card -- in a day and age when the cops won't roust gay guys for blowing each other in public on the Tenth Street Pier in New York that just sounds dishonest. We're saying he could VERY EASILY have come out ten years ago with no repercussions (and probably at least the same level of self-congatulatory cheering from liberals).

Given that, to stay engaged to a woman for 8 years means either he's lying about being gay, or he spent 8 years lying unnecessarily about being straight.

Stop saying it's because we're hatin' on teh gheys.

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 02, 2013 05:50 PM (4/uZC)

595 >>>We're in a coalition with people who have this POV, and thus, we have
agreed, not necessarily happily but agreed nonetheless, to support this
sort of idea, this push for the suppression of homosexuality in hopes
that one day a gay guy might decide he's actually straight.


We are?

No, seriously: I'm a pretty dedicated student of politics and the GOP coalition, in particular the evangelical wing, and this shit is seriously news to me.

Where the fuck do you get this? Are you really making the retard-level mistake that liberals try to get Americans to buy into as well, namely that "cure for gayness" freak-job types actually represent anything other than a politically impotent fringe within the greater evangelical movement?

Where has there been ANY politician -- hell, even a mainstream religious figure! -- associated with the Right who has made the argument you put forth above? Within the last ten years?

The term "straw man" is often abused on the internet and used incorrectly, but man...this time you are truly erecting one of the biggest, most hay-stuffed strawmen I've seen in a while.

So: proof, please. Real evidence, with cites. Not "oh this is my feeling."

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 05:50 PM (bcLhD)

596 He DID choose to be straight, now he's choosing to be gay. Why is that such a fucking paradox to people?
Posted by: Lincolntf




Probably because the Liberal Overculture has beat into everyone's head that homosexually is innate. It's now almost a 4th Law of Thermodynamics.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 02, 2013 05:50 PM (kdS6q)

597

Every voluntary action is a choice.

His urges are just that: urges.

all us guys experimented and sucked-off 12 to 13 dudes in college

I am extremely glad that I went to an entirely different college.

Posted by: imp at May 02, 2013 05:51 PM (UaxA0)

598 Let's be real and stop bullshitting each other: Between the left and
right, it's not the right saying "gays should be who they are." We're
actually saying the EXACT OPPOSITE of that. We're actually saying gays
should be straight, or try to be.







Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:23 PM (LCRYB)



Who's saying that?

Not me....most I think are saying, you're gay? Ok. I don't agree with it and God will smite you at some point and no, I don't think you should hijack the sanctity of religious marriage.

That being said, there's a bunch out there that just seem to be gay for convenience because it's THE thing to do.

I fully expect Meggie MacDonalds to come out soon.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 02, 2013 05:51 PM (xmcEQ)

599 well I do agree, but as long as we're passing out
blame for this situation, we might want to maybe inquire into who
exactly is pushing the idea that gay guys ought to at least try to be
straight to see if it's "just a choice."





Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:34 PM

I don't see where, if that's what your looking for, you can't just crank one off thinking about one gender at a time and make a decision. It's not that difficult.

What's difficult (it appears) is that you really don't want him to give a crap about anyone else's stake in the deal, in that you want him to conceal his honest "scientific experiment" from the other person.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 02, 2013 05:51 PM (2iU3x)

600 I don't think people should not be gay. I think they should be what they are. I just don't we should redefine marriage.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 05:51 PM (INYkK)

601 this push for the suppression of homosexuality in hopes that one day a gay guy might decide he's actually straight.

Where in the hell did that come from? Goofy Michelle Bachman and her hubby?

I'm of the opinion that sexuality is pretty much determined at birth and iron-clad cemented at puberty. Guys who come out twenty years after puberty are lying sacks of shit.

Posted by: Regular Moron at May 02, 2013 05:51 PM (U2UQk)

602 I'm on the same page as most here.
I don't care if you're gay. It doesn't make you a saint or a demon. It doesn't make you any better or any worsethan anyone else, and it isn't an accomplishment.

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 02, 2013 05:51 PM (uhftQ)

603 "Yes, Jason Collins treated this girl badly. I don't dispute that. But if we're assigning blame for that bad treatment we are being dishonest if we don't sort of note that maybe we pushed this idea ourselves, or at least let it be pushed by our political allies and didn't say boo about it. "

Now just hold on one goddamn minute.

You're start'in to sound like one of them there liberals.

And you know what we do to liberals around here...

We toss them into volcanos. With all their fake internet freinds. And their little dog, too.

Posted by: jwest at May 02, 2013 05:51 PM (u2a4R)

604 I'm still not seeing the comments where people say not being married is not o.k., Heather.

Go look at theWyoming-scrunt thread, or the MoDo thread from earlier in the week, or the "only married people are mature and responsible" bullshit from last week...and about twice a week in the mornings we have an "unmarried women shouldn't be allowed to vote/are ruining society" thread.

With a few exceptions, which seem to be unmarried women over 30, y'all hate the fuck out of unmarried women over 30.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 02, 2013 05:51 PM (/kI1Q)

605 600 I don't think people should not be gay. I think they should be what they are. I just don't we should redefine marriage.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 05:51 PM (INYkK)


This.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let it Burn) at May 02, 2013 05:52 PM (Qxe/p)

606 Ace,

I'm one of those more vocal supporters of SSM here. And I think this guy's a fucking asshole for staying engaged to this woman (even though she most likely knew anyway). I don't think he's an asshole for being gay, I think he's an asshole for being a cheat and a liar.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2013 05:52 PM (HDgX3)

607 Joan Walsh has industrial ball-bearings around her neck on Hardball.

Posted by: tony redenzo at May 02, 2013 05:52 PM (Vodnq)

608 Posted by: Alec Leamas at May 02, 2013 05:49 PM (nnkXw)

agree to disagree. Women talk and these women are passed around between players.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 05:53 PM (m2CN7)

609 I sincerely wish Howard "Derp" Kurtz the best of luck in future fluking endeavors....

may more join you stud

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 05:53 PM (LRFds)

610 We're in a coalition with people who have this POV, and thus, we have agreed, not necessarily happily but agreed nonetheless, to support this sort of idea, this push for the suppression of homosexuality"


Huh? I wouldn't phrase it that way at all. Maybe "we are in a coalition with people that strongly dissaprove of homosexuality"

Disaproval does not equal suppression. I disaprove of two boys making out in woods, I am not suppressing that activity.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at May 02, 2013 05:53 PM (o5R8U)

611 Lol. Just about any comment thread here.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 02, 2013 05:37 PM (/kI1Q)

That has not been my experience here. At all. If there's any criticism, it's of mushy-headed liberal single women who aspire to be Julias.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 05:53 PM (6zgse)

612 Yes, Jason Collins treated this girl badly. I don't dispute that. But if we're assigning blame for that bad treatment we are being dishonest if we don't sort of note that maybe we pushed this idea ourselves, or at least let it be pushed by our political allies and didn't say boo about it. ---------------------
Actually, I don't think he treated her badly. Long term dating / engagements fall apart all the time. Better to end it before the wedding right?

He's not saying he was ghey all the way back to his formative years, is he? This seems like a relatively 'sudden' revelation. If so, they is it possible that he will 'suddenly' switch back?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 02, 2013 05:53 PM (EGPJQ)

613 I kept telling myself the sky was red, but I always knew it was blue.


*************

He knew.

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 05:53 PM (r2PLg)

614 I think what made him lie is the possibility that, back when he was starting out, a team wouldn't want to sign a gay player and get all that controversy, but now that he can get another year out of it...

Posted by: zsasz at May 02, 2013 05:53 PM (MMC8r)

615 I get ace's point about mild heroism by this NBA player, but to me the whole thing is ludicrous. He's brave WHY? Because the NBA is populated with thugs and brutes.

I'm sorry he chose a career where he felt ostracized. (Had he been working where I did my first post-doc, he'd have had plenty of gay colleagues to hang with.) I'm even MORE sorry for that California fellow from the performing arts org who lost his job for the crime of donating a couple of bucks to the Prop 8 initiative.

So to that NBA player I say, toughen up buttercup.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2013 05:54 PM (5H6zj)

616 >>>and about twice a week in the mornings we have an "unmarried women shouldn't be allowed to vote/are ruining society" thread.

Well that's totally ignorant.

It's women AS A WHOLE that shouldn't be allowed to vote. We shouldn't be making arbitrary distinctions based on marriage status.



[kidding]

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 05:54 PM (bcLhD)

617 This thread is gay *and* squatchy. Not a good combination.

Posted by: jakeman at May 02, 2013 05:54 PM (96M6e)

618 Mission accomplished and no icky vagina sauce on him.


Inspiring.


Posted by: icky vagina sauce at May 02, 2013 05:54 PM (z9HTb)

619
this push for the suppression of homosexuality in hopes that one day a gay guy might decide he's actually straight.

I'm not in any position to suppress anything, even if I wanted to. But yes I do hope that JeffB will wake up one day and like women. I think he'd be better off.


Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 05:54 PM (FC8Yl)

620 Well, as entertaining as all this has been I have something to do tonight so I'm out. See you on the ONT.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 02, 2013 05:54 PM (yh0zB)

621 Joan Walsh has industrial ball-bearings around her neck on Hardball.

Posted by: tony redenzo at May 02, 2013 05:52 PM (Vodnq)


Boston bombers solidarity jewelry?

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2013 05:54 PM (R18D0)

622
This is one of the consequences of "Our Rule" on homosexuality. If you support the rule, you also have to accept the unwanted consequences of it.

We cannot hold the position that gay people should try to suppress their gayness and not have gay sex and that jump on someone for doing *precisely as we advised.*

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:32 PM (LCRYB)


Ace, the rule isn't made for the benefit of individuals. This is where you are steering wrongly.
You are focused on what is fair to a specific individual, rather than on what is best for the collective community.


Morality was derived by trial and error over many millennia of human history. Homosexuality was a virtual death sentence during most of our history from strictly a disease standpoint alone.

Much of our morality is based on what was necessary to minimize disease and death. Making babies was a necessary component of this because communities survivals often depended upon the numbers of citizens available to defend them.

I don't have the time or space to fill out all these details, but the gist boils down to this. The rules are made for the benefit of the collective society, and are intended to benefit MOST of the population.

Sometimes there are no happy outcomes for individuals within the social structure, and that is the BEST CASE scenario.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 05:54 PM (bb5+k)

623 I bet his fiancee got it in the ass, a lot.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:54 PM (4cRnj)

624 With a few exceptions, which seem to be unmarried women over 30, y'all hate the fuck out of unmarried women over 30.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 02, 2013 05:51 PM (/kI1Q)

-------------
I hate pretty much everyone. Marital status is irrelevant. I am an equal opportunity crabbypants.

Posted by: mama winger at May 02, 2013 05:54 PM (P6QsQ)

625 I don't remember ace defending McCreevy with these same arguments.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 05:54 PM (m2CN7)

626
Serious question, the guy gets on a team, is in a game, misses his freethrows and a fan yells "you suck". Does he get out of the arena? or does everybody just laugh?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 02, 2013 05:55 PM (jKWYf)

627 Posted by: Trimegistus at May 02, 2013 05:50 PM (4/uZC)

Yep!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 05:55 PM (INYkK)

628 Should we attribute Jason Carter becoming gay to Global Warming, or Sequester?

Posted by: zsasz at May 02, 2013 05:55 PM (MMC8r)

629 Maybe they cruise the rest stops because that's how they are wired? After all, the sex that homosexuals have can't accomplish anything else, why not make it anonymous. Why are the gay bars in Boystown in Chicago such hotbeds of drugs and promiscuity-no one has any shame in going to those bars. It's the way male homosexuals act. You think more acceptance leads to what, tamer sexuality, amongst homosexuals? I think San Fran disproves your theory. They just want to be able to do it in front of your children there.

Posted by: ejo at May 02, 2013 05:55 PM (GXvSO)

630
Didn't Dennis Rodman dabble in homosexuality like 15 yrs ago?

Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 05:55 PM (vyPsz)

631 Weaponized falsehood. Im stealing that. Courage? Take this to the bank. Can you say Normandy? The GI's
smoking dope in Vietnam had more courage.
I am not as articulate nor scholarly as other morons.
Ace kills it.
Best post evah! No sarc.
Right on Ace!

Posted by: Golfman in NC at May 02, 2013 05:55 PM (/djtm)

632 All I know is I hope that I am still alive when the gay gene is found and being used as a reason for abortion.

I see this car at my gym with a sticker that says "Would you still protect the life of that fetus if you knew it was gay?"

Some day I'm going to remember to take a giant post-it-note and add a sign that says "Driver Wants To Kill Gay Babies."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 02, 2013 05:56 PM (/kI1Q)

633 Some people in America find gays and gay sex kinda icky. They mostly vote Republican.

Some people in America hate those people and think finding gays and gay sex icky is evil and homophobic and worthy of total scorn and hatred. They mostly vote Democrat. (Although most of those people probably don't spend a lot of time watching hard-core gay porn -- mainly cause they find it gross.)

I think Ace doesn't like the first group.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 05:56 PM (ZPrif)

634 With a few exceptions, which seem to be unmarried women over 30, y'all hate the fuck out of unmarried women over 30.Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 02, 2013 05:51 PM (/kI1Q)
Hell no. Actually I'm in the market for a 35 to 40 to year old cutie right now.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 05:56 PM (m2CN7)

635 592...Was this story on Alex Jones, WND or Glenn Beck's web site? That may be your first clue about the authenticity.

Um, no...I read the story here, at the HQ.

Some of the commenters posted it, along with a video of the Mansion in Hawaii.
It had been for sale for a while.

Michelle-O's mother had even been crowing about it to some of her friends.

What I'm unsure of, is that the person who bought the Mansion for them...was Pritzker.
It was a multi-millionaire Chicago friend, I remembered that much.

Posted by: wheatie at May 02, 2013 05:56 PM (3B3wv)

636 617 This thread is gay *and* squatchy. Not a good combination.

Posted by: jakeman at May 02, 2013 05:54 PM (96M6e)


This thread (hopefully) is a one-off event.

The fucking Boulder Daily Camera Communist, on the other hand, promises to make Colorado Civil Union information front page news for the next week.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let it Burn) at May 02, 2013 05:56 PM (Qxe/p)

637 >With a few exceptions, which seem to be unmarried women over 30, y'all hate the fuck out of unmarried women over 30.

As an unmarried man over 30, I unequivocally don't hate unmarried women over 30....Just sayin' :-)

Posted by: DanInMN at May 02, 2013 05:56 PM (XqeyF)

638 So this is a purge the SoCons thread then?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 02, 2013 05:56 PM (yCvxi)

639 I agree Mooochele isn't hideous, but there is something about her that comes out as "severe" for a lack of a better word. Almost gangly ..... The hero Jason? Never heard of him....

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 02, 2013 05:57 PM (9+ccr)

640 I hate pretty much everyone. Marital status is irrelevant. I am an equal opportunity crabbypants.

Posted by: mama winger at May 02, 2013 05:54 PM (P6QsQ)

I've always been very fond of you...

Posted by: jwest at May 02, 2013 05:57 PM (u2a4R)

641 Is this his ex-fiancee? http://tinyurl.com/ybolrwp

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 02, 2013 05:57 PM (4cRnj)

642 Instead of saying that the collective WE forced him to stay hidden for years, why don't we look at the true picture here.

He's an NBA PLAYER. Blacks tend to be the harshest of hazers and don't really seem to have had a soft spot for gays. Go ask a frat pledge at a black college.

Conservatives had shit to do with him "hiding his true self."

He FELT pressured because of those that were around him....period.

I'm sick of everyone trying to force guilt on me because I'm a conservative.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 02, 2013 05:57 PM (xmcEQ)

643 While we tussle on the carpet about this idiot with a fading career named Jason Collins, the real world presses in.

India is loudly protesting an incursion by PRC soldiers into territory controlled by India. Beijing is saying there are no troops.

Two countries each with over a billion people, modern arms, and nuclear weapons are trading sharp diplomatic barbs. The President of the United States had better start calling New Dehli and Beijing to work some diplomacy.

http://tinyurl.com/cdyp6u8

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 05:57 PM (ULEme)

644 Hey it takes 2 to tango. This guy collins hung with his fiance for 8 years and she allowed it. Neither of them are at fault. They did what they did. Both or either of them could have walked away any time. They were both adults. I've lived long enough not to cast blame on interpersonal relationships like this. The part about him being gay or not gay is only tangential to the whole 8 year gig.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 05:57 PM (9Bj8R)

645 >>>And? Is that an argument against strong social disapproval?

No you can keep up the strong social disapproval if you like.

But then do not act surprised when someone you've encouraged to remain in the closet actually follows your advice and lives as a closet homosexual, until, one day, he doesn't anymore, and there's a personal cost to that borne by the woman you encouraged him to Play Straight with.

I've asked this before but do you want your daughter marrying a guy you know has strong homosexual tendencies but is suppressing them?

It's all well and good to say "Gays should just suppress those urges." Fine. So here's a case where a guy did... and a woman got burned by that.

So we can either change the rule or we can just be adults and admit there are going to be victims of this rule.

The only approved pathway I see open to gays is "Just be straight." Fine, whatever. Let's ignore the fact that they're not straight at all but just encourage them to Pretend to be Straight. And if there are victims of this policy, we'll just blame the homo for those victims too, even though they were actually taking our advice.

I think ultimately the only real solution is sort of "I just wish homosexuality didn't exist, it causes difficult problems."

Well, fine. But if wishes were fishes we'd all have a nice lunch.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:58 PM (LCRYB)

646

gay and squatchy


Sod off swampy.

Posted by: imp at May 02, 2013 05:58 PM (UaxA0)

647 "She's not an unattractive woman at all."

Yes she is. She is butt flucking hideous.
Inside and out.

Posted by: Torqued at May 02, 2013 05:58 PM (AKS75)

648
It's posts like these where I really believe that you either really don't understand most of us, or you just hold us in contempt.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 02, 2013 05:34 PM (CJjw5)


I think Ace is simply surrounded by folk which are liberal on this issue, and it's making him uncomfortable to be "anti-gay" in his social circles. With the ongoing media propaganda war reaching full crescendo, i'm noticing a lot of people are re-thinking their position in light of social pressure being brought to bear on them.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 05:58 PM (bb5+k)

649 I've always been very fond of you...

Posted by: jwest at May 02, 2013 05:57 PM (u2a4R)

------------
Oh drop dead.

/jk

Posted by: mama winger at May 02, 2013 05:58 PM (P6QsQ)

650 630
Didn't Dennis Rodman dabble in homosexuality like 15 yrs ago?
Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 05:55 PM (vyPsz)


************

Only when he was dating Madonna.

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 05:59 PM (r2PLg)

651
Democrats seek permanent avenue to fraud their power in perpetuity.
http://tinyurl.com/c8pv8wb

Posted by: maddogg at May 02, 2013 05:59 PM (OlN4e)

652 Not sure how you missed this one Ace. Competition for the Horseman.

>Zebulon man accused of sex acts with shelter dogs<

"Raleigh, N.C. — A volunteer and former

employee of the Wake County Animal Center faces more than a half-dozen

charges stemming from accusations that he committed crimes against

nature involving dogs."

http://tinyurl.com/d4poeno

He was trying to outdo the horseman. No word on whether he was trying for the dog-human hybrid though

Posted by: Marcus at May 02, 2013 05:59 PM (I8zlx)

653 Two countries each with over a billion people, modern arms, and nuclear weapons are trading sharp diplomatic barbs. The President of the United States had better start calling New Dehli and Beijing to work some diplomacy.

http://tinyurl.com/cdyp6u8
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 05:57 PM (ULEme)

Shirley you jest? Does obama know india even borders China?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 05:59 PM (9Bj8R)

654 Anna, I wouldn't hold you breath over Obama's diplomatic skills or that of John Kerry either.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 05:59 PM (INYkK)

655
Jason Collins did have a keen interest in wearing pink in October. But I think he was just really really against breast cancer.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 02, 2013 05:59 PM (jKWYf)

656 "So gays should just come right out and be gay..."
Di you see the post about throwing it in peoples and their children's faces?
I know this is hard to imagine, but picture yourself with your wife and kids, say, three little ones 8-13. You're at Disney World. Been planning the trip for months and lo and behold, it's "Gay Pride Day." And I would imagine you heard what that was like. Might as well have been a San Francisco parade.
"Daddy, why are those men kissing each other and feeling each others pee pees?

How about keeping your freaking sex life to yourself. Why the need to announce it to the world.
And yeah, honestly, it is about the most degenerate behavior there is.

But lets just play along and act like it's okay. You do know about the socialist who said the only way to destroy America is to destroy it's moral values I'm sure.
He was right.

Posted by: teej at May 02, 2013 06:00 PM (H0qOD)

657 Gays, the new wedge issue. Even here.

Dems are some crafty, evil mother-fuckers. So sick of this bullshit. See y'all in the next post.

Posted by: Dang at May 02, 2013 06:00 PM (R18D0)

658 Girlfriend had two legs and a brain

----

This. Yoy can't be strung along for 8 years by force. Just like Collins didn't *have* to get engaged, she didn't have to stay. Granted there's pressure to stay engaged to a guy who seems like a good catch, but not as much pressure as there would be on Collins to act straight.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at May 02, 2013 06:00 PM (GmTxn)

659 perhaps Howie has finally found the liberal bias that eluded him throughout his career as a media watchdog.

Posted by: X at May 02, 2013 06:00 PM (KHo8t)

660 He's an NBA PLAYER. Blacks tend to be the harshest of hazers and don't really seem to have had a soft spot for gays. Go ask a frat pledge at a black college.

Conservatives had shit to do with him "hiding his true self."

He FELT pressured because of those that were around him....period.
----

^This.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2013 06:01 PM (5H6zj)

661 "643 While we tussle on the carpet about this idiot with a fading career named Jason Collins, the real world presses in.

India is loudly protesting an incursion by PRC soldiers into territory controlled by India. Beijing is saying there are no troops.

Two countries each with over a billion people, modern arms, and nuclear weapons are trading sharp diplomatic barbs. The President of the United States had better start calling New Dehli and Beijing to work some diplomacy.

http://tinyurl.com/cdyp6u8

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 05:57 PM (ULEme) "

Yes, but do they have Gay Marriage?


QED.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 02, 2013 06:01 PM (2YIjo)

662 >>>Ace, the rule isn't made for the benefit of individuals. This is where you are steering wrongly.
You are focused on what is fair to a specific individual, rather than on what is best for the collective community.

I get that. Though it's a bit commun-ist an argument.

But this General Rule for the Community is going to have Specific Personal Victims.

Again, you can keep the rule if you feel the rule, in the main, is still worthy (that is, the cost-benefit differential is still favorable), but you can't just pretend there are NO costs, or, if there are, they're all *someone else's fault,* and have nothing to do with the policy they obviously have an awful lot do do with.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:01 PM (LCRYB)

663 But who is saying this? Even Rick Santorum isn't telling people to.pray away the gay, as far as I know.

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 06:01 PM (wsGWu)

664
One more time, Ace, in the hopes you'll answer me: who in this thread is making this argument? Maybe that one crazy guy DiogenesLamp (dunno, haven't checked, but seems like the sort of thing he'd say), but who else?


Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 05:36 PM (bcLhD)


Yeah, I'm the crazy one. That's why you had to walk back your smart assed assessment previously. I'd say my record of prediction is a hell of a lot better than yours.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:01 PM (bb5+k)

665 Folks, let's not bicker and argue about who sucked what.


Let's point and laugh at Howard Kurtz!

Posted by: fluffy at May 02, 2013 06:01 PM (z9HTb)

666 FenelonSpoke, I read you Lima Charlie. I am just pointing out the nuclear Meggidio the world is facing while Gaylord is giving phone calls to Jason Collins.

Arthur C. Clarke talked about the Indian sub-continent becoming a nuclear flashpoint in one of his stories.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 06:01 PM (ULEme)

667 Yes, Jason Collins treated this girl badly. I don't dispute that. But
if we're assigning blame for that bad treatment we are being dishonest
if we don't sort of note that maybe we pushed this idea ourselves, or at
least let it be pushed by our political allies and didn't say boo about
it. - ace

---

Yes, Jason Collins treated this girl badly. I don't dispute that. But
if I were assigning blame for that bad treatment I'm being dishonest
if I don't sort of note that maybe I pushed this idea myself, or at
least let it be pushed by my political allies and didn't say boo about
it.


FIFY

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 02, 2013 06:01 PM (BVkEs)

668
But then do not act surprised when someone you've encouraged to remain in the closet actually follows your advice and lives as a closet homosexual, until, one day, he doesn't anymore, and there's a personal cost to that borne by the woman you encouraged him to Play Straight with.


**************


Oh this is such bullshit.

My Dad was single till he was 42.

That was decades ago.

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 06:02 PM (r2PLg)

669 613 Tasker,

I'm pretty sure the sky is blue and I like my wife....

I support a society where gays are not stigmatized and do not "need" to lie and hurt women if they like men and/or lesbians do not need to "hurt" men etc etc.

"Integrity"

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 06:02 PM (LRFds)

670 Two countries each with over a billion people, modern arms, and nuclear weapons are trading sharp diplomatic barbs. The President of the United States had better start calling New Dehli and Beijing to work some diplomacy.

http://tinyurl.com/cdyp6u8

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 05:57 PM (ULEme) "

Yes, but do they have Gay Marriage?


QED.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 02, 2013 06:01 PM (2YIjo)


Yes and how does this help the palestinians or michelle's kids?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 06:02 PM (9Bj8R)

671 I'm not going to take the blame for Jamie Colin's (or whatever his name is) douche-ish behavior just because I'm disapprove of homosexuality. (And I'm not going to change my mind.)

My disapproval doesn't mean he has to behave like a male private part. There have been other closeted gay men who have managed not to.

And frankly, if someone is sleeping with other people of the same sex, that's their business. I'm not going to invade their boudoir and hector them. Just don't put it all up in my face.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 06:02 PM (6zgse)

672 To talk about this in terms of left and right is oversimplifying. Yeah, we do have the evangelicals. Their patchwork collection of special interests aren't all warm and fuzzy towards this. There is plenty of resentment to be found among minorities in sharing the aggrieved status table with gays. Maybe having to take a lesser seat even as they prove to be the cheap dates. What percentage of union shop workers would berate a homosexual peer endlessly?

Painting with a broad brush of course, but I don't accept the idea this is a pure left right issue. It's fun for the media to weave that narrative I am sure, but reality is more complicated than that, as always. I'm not going along with that.

Posted by: Dave S. at May 02, 2013 06:02 PM (K4AdI)

673 >>>It's possible he chose to lie.



>>>That is an oppression of her free will.

OK I've had enough of this sh*t

I've been pretending to be monogamous for 7 years now; anyone going to
say I'm brave if I decide to dump my wife and pursue life as God made
me, a polyamorous lecher? Didn't think so. So yeah, I treat this guy in
my mind like I would any guy who has reached "that age" who dumps his
faithful companion of many years to go chase tail. To paraphrase the
dude. You're not wrong. You're just an....

This idea that because
you are sexually attracted to members of your gender you are therefore
given carte blance to pursue sexual desire above all imperatives seems like an
interesting double standard. Almost everyone who chooses the path of responsibility and morality denies themselves sexual gratification. How exactly is his situation different? Because he likes guys *more*? Passing up opportunities to tag hot tail is #1 rule of a committed relationship.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at May 02, 2013 06:02 PM (0q2P7)

674
I really would've liked to see Chastity Bono pretend she was a woman. I think she'd be much better off today.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 06:02 PM (KeJAW)

675 Go look at theWyoming-scrunt thread, or the MoDo thread from earlier in the week, or the "only married people are mature and responsible" bullshit from last week...and about twice a week in the mornings we have an "unmarried women shouldn't be allowed to vote/are ruining society" thread.With a few exceptions, which seem to be unmarried women over 30, y'all hate the fuck out of unmarried women over 30.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer
***
I have no issue with unmarried women of any age due to marital status. My issue is with their political beliefs.
Besides, as I'm currently dating an unmarried woman over thirty, it would be hypocritical to hate on them and then date one.

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 02, 2013 06:02 PM (uhftQ)

676 So, did I miss something where this Collins guy was strung up by his toenails and hung from a tree with a "fag" sign hanging on his ball sack?

No? Well, where the fuck is this coming from? I'm confused. Who really gives a shit whether the guy is actually gay or not? I don't watch the NBA, but it has nothing to do with whether there's gays or not.

Just like I don't like Baroke Owebama and it has NOTHING to do with his skin color.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 02, 2013 06:02 PM (xmcEQ)

677 You guys probably covered it - and there ain't no way in hell I'm reading all the comments (I'm not THAT interested in this movie) - but it is interesting that his twin brother didn't know.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2013 06:03 PM (5H6zj)

678 Useful idiot Kurtz fired for no longer being as useful as he once was.

Does anyone really care? Ah no.

Oh, and F**** him and the horse he rode in on and the one he will now ride out on.

NYT? F**** them as well. - Goes without saying.

Posted by: Call Me Ishmael at May 02, 2013 06:03 PM (sG153)

679 No one would have given a shit if this Collins kid was NOT engaged.

you are borrowing something to rail against.

It's--damn it--a straw man with fig leaves attached.

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 06:03 PM (r2PLg)

680 "Just be straight" is nowhere on any agenda that I can see. Stop rewriting laws and redefining words is on mine. Also, a big part of this is that the generic Left uses these stories to vilify the right, when the right has zero, zip, fuck-all, nothing, to do with it. " He was a dick to his fiance and lived a secret life, GOP expected to rebut."

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 06:03 PM (ZshNr)

681 Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at May 02, 2013 06:00 PM (GmTxn)

Ever heard of common law marriage or Goldie and Kurt and many other long term unmarried relationships?

Futher she apparently thought they had a future and he was living a lie. Big difference in responsibility.

Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 06:03 PM (m2CN7)

682 yeah, I'm unclear on who this purge is supposed to purge. Or is it a circular firing squad just for the sake of circular fire?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 06:03 PM (ZPrif)

683
Serious question, the guy gets on a team, is in a game, misses his freethrows and a fan yells "you suck". Does he get out of the arena? or does everybody just laugh?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk




Everyone in the audience gets arrested for a hate crime.

Republican politicians denounce them as more evil than Hitler von Goebbels Stalin.

In a show of solidarity, Republican and Democratic Senators pair up for the next State of the Union Address and make out in the seats.

HBO makes an Emmy winning 8 part series about the event starring Jamie Foxx.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 02, 2013 06:03 PM (kdS6q)

684 >>I don't give a shit if Collins is gay. I never heard of him before this week.



Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 05:21 PM (t06LC)




Me neither

Posted by: Randy Whitman at May 02, 2013 06:04 PM (Yhu4q)

685 >>>Di you see the post about throwing it in peoples and their children's faces?
I know this is hard to imagine, but picture yourself with your wife and kids, say, three little ones 8-13. You're at Disney World. Been planning the trip for months and lo and behold, it's "Gay Pride Day." And I would imagine you heard what that was like. Might as well have been a San Francisco parade.
"Daddy, why are those men kissing each other and feeling each others pee pees?


I've got no problem with any of that-- I'm always on the socon side when it comes to that sort of thing. Like, kids. Like, I don't want kids to have to deal with this. That shit makes me angry.

But telling someone he must be straight, even if he's gay -- and not just "I know you're gay, but not in front of my kids, okay?" -- is going to involve gay guys in the closet marrying women and getting caught a highway rest-stops, as it usually has.

This is not a shock to anyone here. You all know this. Why is it necessary to argue about it?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:04 PM (LCRYB)

686 Anna, Obama is the American Idol (idle) President. he wants to go to parties, have people swoom over his speeches, make lots of money and being the most cool guy on the block. These difficult things will be decided by somebody else and then relayed to him.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 06:04 PM (INYkK)

687 660 Y-Not,

correct I am not sure we conservatives could even impact his world for fuck's sakes....

he was afraid of the NBA not me I could give three shits about his after inner faire

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 06:04 PM (LRFds)

688 She doesn't exactly have the face to launch a thousand Birds of Prey or anything. Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 04:33 PM (t06LC) I saw what you did there. Well done.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 02, 2013 05:39 PM (TIIx5)


Heh. Glad someone noticed that.

Posted by: Jollyroger at May 02, 2013 06:05 PM (t06LC)

689 Not to say that the original point is off at all. Gays are king at the moment for the left, because it delivers the young votes more than anything, including their own futures. So yes, you can do what Howie did...and that's why. But it's not like all the bigotry comes from the right on this one.

Posted by: Dave S. at May 02, 2013 06:05 PM (K4AdI)

690 But he already "embraced" it, this isn't about "embracing" now - since he admits he knew he was gay.

Not trumpeting gayness - just being matter of fact about it - is plenty for honesty.

He knew it, and actively hid it, in the manner of the narcissist, using another person, toying with her affection, devotion, and years of her life, as if that was justified because his interests were at stake. He was a user.

That's ugly. It's not heroic.

Posted by: Sarahw at May 02, 2013 06:05 PM (LYwCh)

691 * entire thread erupts in spontaneous eruption of flames as multiple strawmen simultaneously burst into flames *

followed by; silence. Then;

it's a small world (after all)
it's a small world (after all)
it's a small world (after all)
it's a small world (after all)
it's a small, small world

Posted by: What Should Happen at May 02, 2013 06:05 PM (U2UQk)

692 239People who use "an" instead of "a" before "hero" are totally ghey.
Posted by: rdbrewer at May 02, 2013 05:02 PM (Iyg03)



What he thaid.

Posted by: olddog in mo at May 02, 2013 06:05 PM (A9na/)

693 So, to sum up: Gay marriage wedge issue still effective.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 06:06 PM (ZPrif)

694 So did I miss something or did someone tell this Jason guy he had to be straight?

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 02, 2013 06:06 PM (9+ccr)

695
So the "Our Rule" of which you speak is one that no one can possibly attempt to enforce without bringing in the other strictures that went with it. We used to have a SYSTEM in western civilization. We have jettisoned that system with nothing to replace it or guide us.

God help us all.

Posted by: imp at May 02, 2013 05:41 PM (UaxA0)


Exactly. It is a SYSTEM. And it's BROKEN. And it will likely COLLAPSE.

The Normalization of Homosexuality is just a symptom of the overall rot.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:06 PM (bb5+k)

696 I don't particularly like it when people are practically having sex with each other while wearing their clothes
when either straights or gays do it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 06:06 PM (INYkK)

697 >>>I've been pretending to be monogamous for 7 years now; anyone going to
say I'm brave if I decide to dump my wife and pursue life as God made
me, a polyamorous lecher? Didn't think so. So yeah, I treat this guy in
my mind like I would any guy who has reached "that age" who dumps his
faithful companion of many years to go chase tail. To paraphrase the
dude. You're not wrong. You're just an....


you're straight, right?

were you actively encouraged to mate with a man and actively discouraged from mating with a woman?

No, you could choose any sexual partner you liked (and I do mean "that you liked," because you like women). At no point were you asked or expected to have sex with dudes "to keep appearances up."

Imagine if you were.

Now I mean that's silly because every straight guy here would say "That's ridiculous, that would never happen and I'd never do that."

Well... ponder that.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:06 PM (LCRYB)

698 No one woulda given a shit if this Collins kid wasn't engaged.

----

I don't think that's so. No, the media might not have cared, fans wouldn't have, but probably the people in his family and inner circle would've worried about him, his Momma probably wanted him to find a nice girl and settle down. So he tried.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at May 02, 2013 06:06 PM (GmTxn)

699 Jason Collins is a made man in the Democratic victim rights mafia, criticize at you own risk.

Posted by: Randomized lurker at May 02, 2013 06:07 PM (AnfcZ)

700 Jason Collins, 34.

Single.

No one would give a crap.

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 06:07 PM (r2PLg)

701 You know percent means out of 100 right? As in 33 out of 100? Now 33 out of 1000, yes I'd agree with you full, she's in the top 33/1000. Out of 100? You have got to be fucking kidding me.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at May 02, 2013 05:15 PM (HDgX3)



I am confused why you would put Michelle in the top 3.3% percentile of attractiveness.

How many pictures of Helen Thomas are you using as a baseline?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at May 02, 2013 06:07 PM (sGtp+)

702 Hotmail addresses may live on, but the service we once knew as Hotmail is no more, now that Microsoft has transferred all 300 million active Hotmail accounts to its new, modernized Outlook.com webmail offering.

"We want to give a huge 'Thank you' to all of you who have supported Hotmail over the years, for some of you, that's going back as far as 1996," Microsoft's Dick Craddock eulogized in a blog post on Thursday. "It has been an amazing journey and we've been honored to provide you with a great mail experience for many years."

Posted by: Jose Daniel Ortega Saavedra at May 02, 2013 06:07 PM (e8kgV)

703 Almost 700 comments? Geez Looeeez. The story's not that interesting. Why don't we all just come out and declare ourselves gay. The whole fucking planet. Maybe then all these gay activists will all go away and we can all go on with our lives. Sheesh.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 02, 2013 06:07 PM (4x8W0)

704 oh for the love of pete

Posted by: mama winger at May 02, 2013 06:07 PM (P6QsQ)

705 Who was telling Jason he had to be striaght. I just said I don't think he's a hero for coming out-a point I explained at length in an earlier thread.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 06:07 PM (INYkK)

706 694 So did I miss something or did someone tell this Jason guy he had to be straight?
-----

His co-workers in the field of endeavor he chose to pursue. And that's "our" fault, apparently.

Honestly, I can't muster much sympathy for the dude.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2013 06:08 PM (5H6zj)

707 With a few exceptions, which seem to be unmarried women over 30, y'all hate the fuck out of unmarried women over 30.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 02, 2013 05:51 PM (/kI1Q)

Wow, as a happily unmarried woman over 30, I have never gotten that vibe. People tend to exaggerate here - it is AoSHQ after all and we are moron(ette)s - but never gotten a hate, dislike, or even disapproval vibe. Maybe it's just me.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 06:08 PM (6zgse)

708
You really are an idiot.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 02, 2013 05:44 PM (/WLC3)


Thank you. I'd be worried if you agreed with me.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:08 PM (bb5+k)

709 696 I don't particularly like it when people are practically having sex with each other while wearing their clothes
when either straights or gays do it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 06:06 PM (INYkK)


You must be one grumpy SOB, because that's twice you've hit it out of the park on my sentiments, too.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let it Burn) at May 02, 2013 06:08 PM (Qxe/p)

710 "672 To talk about this in terms of left and right is oversimplifying. Yeah, we do have the evangelicals. Their patchwork collection of special interests aren't all warm and fuzzy towards this. There is plenty of resentment to be found among minorities in sharing the aggrieved status table with gays. Maybe having to take a lesser seat even as they prove to be the cheap dates. What percentage of union shop workers would berate a homosexual peer endlessly?

Painting with a broad brush of course, but I don't accept the idea this is a pure left right issue. It's fun for the media to weave that narrative I am sure, but reality is more complicated than that, as always. I'm not going along with that.

Posted by: Dave S. at May 02, 2013 06:02 PM (K4AdI) "

Don't pick on (just) the Evangelicals. The Pope, the Magisterium, and the Catholic Church in general are also against it (Gay Marriage, and Gay Sex).

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 02, 2013 06:09 PM (2YIjo)

711 >>>
He knew it, and actively hid it, in the manner of the narcissist, using another person, toying with her affection, devotion, and years of her life, as if that was justified because his interests were at stake. He was a user.

okay for everyone claiming I'm burning strawmen, please explain to me how this gay man should have gone about things.

Should he have never toyed with the affections of a woman?

Wait, you're saying he shouldn't even TRY to be straight?

Okay, so if he isn't allowed to TRY to be straight, should he have just been gay all his life?

But from what age?

Tell me specifically the pathway you would advise for him.

Be specific. If you're saying he did wrong, tell me how he could have done right.

At what age should he have declared "I'm gay" and started dating men?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:09 PM (LCRYB)

712 "But telling someone he must be straight, even if he's gay"

Yeah, that's happening all the time.

Posted by: lowandslow at May 02, 2013 06:09 PM (Fz2C7)

713 701 Conservative Monster,

Mau Mau was hit in the head a LOT as a kid obviously and has ocular issues...

Work is maybe a top 3d "beauty" after they spackle on the make up and her fleet of traijers tone those "arms of a plumber mother" and all....

but no he's no moonbat ask his wife

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 06:09 PM (LRFds)

714 Holy shit, we're still arguing this?!?!?!

Posted by: EC at May 02, 2013 06:09 PM (doBIb)

715 oh for the love of pete
Posted by: mama winger at May 02, 2013 06:07 PM (P6QsQ)

Who's pete? Is that the dude collins is having sex with?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 06:10 PM (9Bj8R)

716 Time to go read something else.....this is absurd in the extreme.

Posted by: Tami at May 02, 2013 06:10 PM (X6akg)

717 I don't think that's so. No, the media might not have cared, fans wouldn't have, but probably the people in his family and inner circle would've worried about him, his Momma probably wanted him to find a nice girl and settle down. So he tried.
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at May 02, 2013 06:06 PM (GmTxn

*************

Thirty -four and a professional b-baller, and people would pressure him to get married?

You do know that the rate of marriage is extremely low for the African American community.


In fact a high percentage of those that do get married are interracial.

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 06:10 PM (r2PLg)

718 Well, one things for sure ,Collins is getting more attention with this then his pitiful career. First time he really made the news!

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 02, 2013 06:11 PM (9+ccr)

719
who cares?

he is no hero

women athletes have been out forever

so what

using a woman - not heroic

trying to save Americans after being abandoned by their government an refusing to be silent despite threats and intimidation - heroic

enough. This story is a distraction, a plus for the JEF right now

why are we playing on their field?

Posted by: thunderb at May 02, 2013 06:11 PM (nH8jP)

720 Five Feet of Fury nailed this some time ago:

In all discussions of race, all is Nurture.
You cannot attribute even 1% of behavior of a member of an identified racial group to their racial genetics.

In all discussions of gay things, genetics completely determine, all is Nature.
You cannot imply that a gay person has, even 1%, chosen to be gay.

All else is Heresy.

Posted by: NYC Parent at May 02, 2013 06:11 PM (HEo6y)

721 But was he actively encouraged to settle down in a monogamous male/female relationship. In the NBA? Home of Kobe "that's kind of my thing" Bryant"?

Wouldn't a bachelor lifestyle be just as, if not more, socially acceptable?

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 06:11 PM (wsGWu)

722 if you feel that being tall with muscular arms automatically makes you in the top 33% despite having simian facial features fine.
but Barry has more delicate facial features than King Kongs baby sister.

Posted by: Pastor manning at May 02, 2013 06:11 PM (z9OI2)

723 EC, one word - yes.

I even got the magic number. Yay.

We tried to derail things by speculating if the Red Barron was gay. But alas this is one train wreck that was determined to head downhill before going off the rails and taking out the tract housing.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 06:12 PM (ULEme)

724 Actually I'm in the market for a 35 to 40 to year old cutie right now.
Posted by: polynikes at May 02, 2013 05:56 PM (m2CN7)

*sidles up to polynikes and bats eyelashes*

Yeah, so how old are you? Are you good-looking? And most importantly, how much do you make?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 06:12 PM (6zgse)

725 I don't particularly like it when people are practically having sex with each other while wearing their clothes when either straights or gays do it.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

***

Umm sorry, but my G/F and I couldn't help ourselves. We will wait until we get out of the Arby's drive thru next time.

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 02, 2013 06:12 PM (uhftQ)

726 >>>716 Time to go read something else.....this is absurd in the extreme.

well I really do not understand what is being proposed. It seems very vague.

But as I said, if my assumptions are wrong, please specifically tell me how you would have counseled a 17 year old Jason Collins when he told you "I think I like boys."

OR whatever age.

Tell me what he SHOULD have done. I know what he shouldn't have done (everything he did); but what should he have done? Specifically, positively.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:12 PM (LCRYB)

727 At what age should he have declared "I'm gay" and started dating men?





Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:09 PM (LCRYB)

---
At what age did you declare "I'm straight" and started dating women?Sheesh.

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 02, 2013 06:12 PM (BVkEs)

728 Yeah, Jason shoulda just come to my clinic...

I mean, should've known and embraced his gayness.

Posted by: Marcus Bachmann at May 02, 2013 06:12 PM (GmTxn)

729 Well, if we're going to be all clinical about this, we'd need to know when he sucked his first dick, because that's when he became gay.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 06:12 PM (ZshNr)

730 711 >>>
He knew it, and actively hid it, in the manner of the narcissist, using another person, toying with her affection, devotion, and years of her life, as if that was justified because his interests were at stake. He was a user.

okay for everyone claiming I'm burning strawmen, please explain to me how this gay man should have gone about things.

Should he have never toyed with the affections of a woman?

Wait, you're saying he shouldn't even TRY to be straight?

Okay, so if he isn't allowed to TRY to be straight, should he have just been gay all his life?

But from what age?

Tell me specifically the pathway you would advise for him.

Be specific. If you're saying he did wrong, tell me how he could have done right.

At what age should he have declared "I'm gay" and started dating men?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:09 PM (LCRYB)


************

I dunno.

I think the pressure to be "engaged" is bull shit.

I could go fetch the stats for marriage for the African American community--if I can remember where to find them.

They are freakin' abysmal.

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 06:12 PM (r2PLg)

731 Meh, I think that the "stigma" is becoming less and less and the ghey community enjoys it's eternal victim card. If I'm watching any sporting event I could care less who the guy is schtooping. As long as he can play the damn game I don't care. I think it's wrong morally on a personal and spiritual level. It doesn't mean I'm a homophobe or closed minded. I just think it's flat out wrong. But in day to day interactions if I meet someone who is ghey, I treat them the same as I would any other human. Unless it's two hot chicks. But that never happens in the real world. Oh sure maybe one is a little hot. But one is always the "dude". I've always wondered why that is. I mean if you don't need a guy, why the need for one of you to assume a male role?

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 02, 2013 06:13 PM (+riEG)

732 yeah , being a "never was" at the tail end of a career and coordinating a high profile interview knowing that you'll get royal treatment by the media and new career opportunities is real gutsy.
sounds like a common opportunist to me.

Posted by: Pastor manning at May 02, 2013 06:13 PM (z9OI2)

733 Hopefully more to the point, yes the right puts pressure on people. With regards to Jason Collins, and the big breakthrough in sports, is that something the right should take ownership of? Is there a big influx of strict evangelicals in the NBA, or other pro sports?

Posted by: Dave S. at May 02, 2013 06:14 PM (L7JQT)

734 ::::We tried to derail things by speculating if the Red Barron was gay. But alas this is one train wreck that was determined to head downhill before going off the rails and taking out the tract housing.


Quick! Post some Russian music videos!

Posted by: EC at May 02, 2013 06:14 PM (doBIb)

735 So how about them Knicks?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 06:14 PM (9Bj8R)

736 Seems to me if Collins was a fashion designer, performing artist, humanities professor, or any of a host of professions, there would be no "bravery" involved in him coming out, would there?

So isn't this story about how broken the NBA is?

I wish to shit the liberals would shift their attention away from my beloved NFL over helmets and black coaching hires (as well as harassing my Washington football team over its g-d name) and focus on fixing the incredibly broken NBA (which I already hate).

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2013 06:14 PM (5H6zj)

737 "711 >>>
He knew it, and actively hid it, in the manner of the narcissist, using another person, toying with her affection, devotion, and years of her life, as if that was justified because his interests were at stake. He was a user.

okay for everyone claiming I'm burning strawmen, please explain to me how this gay man should have gone about things.

Should he have never toyed with the affections of a woman?

Wait, you're saying he shouldn't even TRY to be straight?

Okay, so if he isn't allowed to TRY to be straight, should he have just been gay all his life?

But from what age?

Tell me specifically the pathway you would advise for him.

Be specific. If you're saying he did wrong, tell me how he could have done right.

At what age should he have declared "I'm gay" and started dating men?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:09 PM (LCRYB) "

Celibacy.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 02, 2013 06:14 PM (2YIjo)

738
watching the local news, every night they interview a bombing victim at the hospital

so many lost feet, legs


Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 06:14 PM (vanqS)

739 Here this for starters.

There is a Princeton report to wade through behind that.

Marriage rates in the United States have been declining steadily across races over the last decade, with those who do marry doing so much later in life. African Americans and those with less than a high school education, however, have been marrying far less and much later in life (if at all) than whites and those with more education.

This marital stratification by race and education is what Princeton University researcher Daniel Schneider set out to understand in a recent report.

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 06:15 PM (r2PLg)

740 726 Ace,

I wanted to coach and I was an athlete Ace we had players we suspected were gay it was not an issue other than some minor hazing.

He's six years younger than I am...I dunno but I am pretty sure if he were a great player 'who cares" this is tawdry and smells like he is grabbing one or two more seasons possibly.

Regardless the word "hero" rankles but honestly I am not the target audience am I?

Anyway god bless and keep him and i hope he finds the happiness he probably cost the woman.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 06:15 PM (LRFds)

741 Mechelle Fraud is NOT attractive!. What have you been smoking?

Posted by: gonzotx at May 02, 2013 06:15 PM (4CQjf)

742 Joanne Chesimard, who killed a New Jersey cop 40 years ago today, then escaped prison and fled to Cuba, has been labeled a terrorist and had a $2 million bounty put on her by the FBI, authorities said Thursday.

Chesimard was serving a life term for killing a New Jersey state trooper in 1973 when she escaped prison. After hiding out in a New Jersey safe house for several years, Chesimard managed to flee in 1979 to Cuba, where she has been living for decades under the name Assata Shakur.

Posted by: Bill Ayers at May 02, 2013 06:15 PM (e8kgV)

743 I love the New America. People like Jason and I can be called courageous heroes for doing absolutely nothing of import or significance.

Posted by: Sandra Flook at May 02, 2013 06:15 PM (vbh31)

744 Celibacy.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 02, 2013 06:14 PM (2YIjo)

If I had never gotten married and had kids, shit I'd be loaded

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 06:15 PM (9Bj8R)

745 At what age did you declare "I'm straight" and started dating women?Sheesh.
Posted by: Craig Poe at May 02, 2013 06:12 PM ...........................................The moment I unrolled and hung upmy new Farah Fawcett poster. Things got all funny feeling south of the equator.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 02, 2013 06:15 PM (+riEG)

746 Maybe they cruise the rest stops because that's how they are wired? After all, the sex that homosexuals have can't accomplish anything else, why not make it anonymous. Why are the gay bars in Boystown in Chicago such hotbeds of drugs and promiscuity-no one has any shame in going to those bars. It's the way male homosexuals act. You think more acceptance leads to what, tamer sexuality, amongst homosexuals? I think San Fran disproves your theory. They just want to be able to do it in front of your children there.

Posted by: ejo at May 02, 2013 05:55 PM (GXvSO)



The Demand for "MORE" will not stop. This is why Jeff B is such a fucking idiot. He thing's there's a destination beyond which the train will not go.


There isn't.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:15 PM (bb5+k)

747 I preferred the days when we found fags odd, harmless, slightly disgusting, and best avoided.

Now they're heroes.

The new math, I don't understand it.

Posted by: Skip Tracer at May 02, 2013 06:15 PM (2+bRt)

748 Hiding the ghey during his career was an advantage. Coming out when your career is almost over is an advantage. A team will have a hard tim dropping him now, even if his performance is bad, because the ghey

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 02, 2013 06:16 PM (/7Xis)

749 Tell me specifically the pathway you would advise for him.



Be specific. If you're saying he did wrong, tell me how he could have done right.

------------

Okay ace, since you asked, Don't say I didn't warn you.

Collins professes to be a Christian. That is, a follower of Jesus Christ and a believer in the Bible as the Word of God. I do not know that specifics, but from what I gather he and his fiance had a celibate relationship, which is commendable in light of what the Word of God teaches. Which is, to refrain from sexual intimacy outside of marriage.

If he has come to the realization that his inclinations are towards men rather than women, the same principle should apply. Refrain from sexual intimacy outside of marriage. There is no difference in the Christian viewpoint as to sexual orientation, only sexual practice.

In other words there is no double standard in Christianity. All sexual relationships are to be confined to marriage, no matter the orientation. For homosexuals, this of course can be an area of struggle in a way that it is not for heterosexual people.

Note that this standard applies to everyone not in a marriage relationship, myself included, and I am not gay. It is a matter of obedience and love for the Father.

Posted by: mama winger at May 02, 2013 06:16 PM (P6QsQ)

750 735 NeverGiveUp,

Reds NGU how about them Reds?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 06:16 PM (LRFds)

751 Four score and seven years ago, I smoked some righteous pole in a bathhouse in Gettysburg.

Posted by: A. Lincoln at May 02, 2013 06:16 PM (MMC8r)

752 okay for everyone claiming I'm burning strawmen, please explain to me how this gay man should have gone about things.

my disagreement is calling him any sort of brave now, at this point in time, in his life and in his career.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 02, 2013 06:16 PM (jKWYf)

753
Gays, the new wedge issue. Even here.
Posted by: Dang



What wedge? Pretty clear consensus here that:

Gay -- meh.

Collins is probably lying to stay on the roster and reap the endorsements.

If not lying, he's a total tool for doing this to his finance.

It's the few in the Northeast Liberal hothouse that are somehow twisting this around to it's the Evil True Conservatives(tm) fault -- again.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 02, 2013 06:16 PM (kdS6q)

754 >>>Imagine if you were.



Imagine if I were forced to have sex with someone I found negligibly sexually attractive for the sake of appearances? Dude? Like what half the married guys on Earth? If he found her revolting* obviously this little relationship wouldn't have lasted 8 years, so that's not the case. She we must conclude, is merely "unattractive" sexually. So yes I've pondered it. I'm not particularly sympathetic to his position of not being able to chase the tail he found most attractive. Most responsible men put themselves in that position in their lifetime as ordained by social expectation.

*I am not "revolted" at the idea of male homosexuality, I simply find it not interesting.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at May 02, 2013 06:16 PM (0q2P7)

755 I gave up on the Univ Of Wyoming thread but I think people "hated" her because of her political beliefs and because she was made a vile, fake accusation. I don't hate people who are unmarried. I believe in a thread from some weeks ago I spoke of a dear unmarried woman whom I loved very much who had a" ministry of little notes" and everybody loved her. She died at about 90.

I personally think the people who say women shouldn't vote are dopes, but I think those people don't think ANY women should vote, I don't think they just have that stupidity about unmarried women. It's all women.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 02, 2013 06:16 PM (INYkK)

756 Question Ace -- Is it ever morally ok for a straight person to be grossed out by gay sex?

College buddy of mine lived in the crazy honors dorm -- it was for upperclass students and you had to apply and it was well known to be ... crazy. Lots of drugs, lots of sex, coed showers. The smartest students, but wanton madness.

One guy on his hall was a bisexual horndog who often screwed people in the showers. Total druggie too. My buddy walked on him with a chick once. Another time he walked in on him buttfucking a dude in the shower.

Is it ok that my friend tells this story as a gross-out story? Or is he a horrible evil homophobe?

The part where he walks in on a chick getting banged isn't told to gross out -- but the part where walks in on a buttfucking is.

Is my friend a horrible person for being disgusted by gay dude sex but not guy-girl sex?

I need to know whether to scorn my friend.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 06:17 PM (ZPrif)

757 Should he have never toyed with the affections of a woman? Wait, you're saying he shouldn't even TRY to be straight? Okay, so if he isn't allowed to TRY to be straight, should he have just been gay all his life? But from what age? Tell me specifically the pathway you would advise for him. Be specific. If you're saying he did wrong, tell me how he could have done right. At what age should he have declared "I'm gay" and started dating men? "

Most gay men that I know dated and slept with women in high school. By the time they were college aged, they started coming out. That seems to be the general time line. So hey, let's say professional sports stunted that and he didn't really date at all til his early 20s because he was just so dang focused on b ball. A year in, and he knows he's gay. Time to stop dating women. Does he have to publicly "come out"?.No just live his life. It's worked for thousands of celebrities far more famous than he is.

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 06:17 PM (wsGWu)

758 >>>But as I said, if my assumptions are wrong, please specifically tell me how you would have counseled a 17 year old Jason Collins when he told you "I think I like boys." OR whatever age.

***

That's a tough one ace. I think that for some problems, there are no 'right' answers. I certainly don't have an answer and am grateful that I don't have to deal personally with that issue.

I'm pretty much a live and let live type but I do get fed up with the activist shit in my face 24 fucking 7.

Posted by: LGoPs at May 02, 2013 06:17 PM (4x8W0)

759

General Rule for the Community is going to have Specific Personal Victims

Yes. And it is Collins who should be the "victim" instead of ruining another person's life with his selfishness and insipid lack of insight.

But again, we can't have a "rule" discouraging homosexuality in an atomized individualistic society.

And Western Civilization was communitarian, not communist. Big, big difference.

Without a unified culture, we will fall. Slowly or quickly, it matters not. Hedonistic individualism simply doesn't make a cohesive culture.

Posted by: imp at May 02, 2013 06:18 PM (UaxA0)

760 This gets you to just the year--2000.

I would suspect that the rate has only decreased since then.


From 1980 to 2000, the percentage of white women who had been married by ages 25 to 29 had dropped by 13 percentage points to 68 percent, but the drop was far larger for blacks, dropping 25 points, to just 38 percent.”

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 06:18 PM (r2PLg)

761 Top 33%, Ace? Huh....you didn't happen to have editorial input on that People cover, did you?

Posted by: land of sky blue water at May 02, 2013 06:18 PM (JoIcn)

762 A lot of y'all are acting like his work environment---the NBA---is the only conceivable source of social pressure. I can't believe you are discounting family pressure. What Mama, of any "community" doesn't want to see her son find a nice girl and get married and get moving with the grandbabies?

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at May 02, 2013 06:18 PM (GmTxn)

763
"It's not that he hasn't done something that took a bit of guts here. He has."

Bulls**t. If it was 1956, maybe, but today? No way.

Posted by: Gulermo at May 02, 2013 06:18 PM (LaLuv)

764 So this is a purge the SoCons thread then?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 02, 2013 05:56 PM (yCvxi)


I'm getting a Charles Johnson vibe from Ace quite a lot since the election.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:18 PM (bb5+k)

765 I don't find Michelle Obama attractive. Sorry.


Stacey Dash? Like a fuckin' screen door in a hurricane.

Posted by: EC at May 02, 2013 06:18 PM (doBIb)

766 Ugh, time to just check back for a new thread.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 02, 2013 06:18 PM (yCvxi)

767 "734 ::::We tried to derail things by speculating if the Red Barron was gay. But alas this is one train wreck that was determined to head downhill before going off the rails and taking out the tract housing.


Quick! Post some Russian music videos!

Posted by: EC at May 02, 2013 06:14 PM (doBIb) "

You seem to be confused. Russian music videos post you.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 02, 2013 06:19 PM (2YIjo)

768 "Tell me what he SHOULD have done. I know what
he shouldn't have done (everything he did); but what should he have
done? Specifically, positively.


Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:12 PM (LCRYB)"

Why are you asking us for? Doesn't the LGBT community have some kind of pamphlet? Hell with all their activism and outreach you would think they would have addressed this. Or maybe they're overwhelmed with their grievance mongering.
Personally I think an adult should be able to think for himself and make life choices that doesn't unnecessarily harm the welfare of others. But that's just me, I'm funny that way.

Posted by: lowandslow at May 02, 2013 06:19 PM (Fz2C7)

769 Jason Collins, 34.

Single.

No one would give a crap.
Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 06:07 PM (r2PLg)

Yep. I'm the same age, very single and very involved in church. And I never get any grief for it. I'm sure Jason Collins would not have been executed by "society" if he had just stayed unattached.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 06:19 PM (6zgse)

770 Two countries each with over a billion people, modern arms, and nuclear weapons are trading sharp diplomatic barbs. The President of the United States had better start calling New Dehli and Beijing to work some diplomacy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 05:57 PM (ULEme)


I very much doubt a fool can make anything better.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:19 PM (bb5+k)

771 EC, I posted an En Vogue video... and got zero response. I doubt such tricks will work on this thread.

http://youtu.be/i7iQbBbMAFE

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 02, 2013 06:20 PM (ULEme)

772 I'm getting a Charles Johnson vibe from Ace quite a lot since the election.


Really? I mean Really? Chuckes McFuck stick at little green ass holes? What have you been smoking?

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 02, 2013 06:20 PM (9+ccr)

773 For all the talk from the Left about keeping the government and everybody else out of their bedrooms, they sure do open the doors and windows to make it as hard as possible to ignore them.

Posted by: Geoffrey Chaucer at May 02, 2013 06:21 PM (e8kgV)

774 Hero. No. It's at the end of his career anyways. And he just cemented himself celebrity status when most people who don't follow the NBA ( I could care less). He will now for sure get a book deal, speaking engagements and as much ghey cack as he can handle. Put me in the I don't care where you park your junk Jason category.

Posted by: Minnfidel at May 02, 2013 06:21 PM (+riEG)

775

It's all well and good to say "Gays should just suppress those urges." Fine. So here's a case where a guy did... and a woman got burned by that.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:58 PM (LCRYB)


Yes, *WE* Hurt that woman. It's *OUR* fault.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:21 PM (bb5+k)

776 I'm getting a Charles Johnson vibe from Ace quite a lot since the election.



-------------


Don't even say that. Ace is not anything like asperger bicycle boy. Ace often disagrees on points but he is not ever unkind or nasty or unreasonable. He is never intellectually dishonest. He never bans people. He never acts like an underhanded sneaky creepy vicious lying contemptible backstabbing hypocritical ......



I could go on and on, but I see that I already have

Posted by: mama winger at May 02, 2013 06:21 PM (P6QsQ)

777
As to the other conversation kinda here, that ugly minded liberal WY blogger chick is married. for edification.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 02, 2013 06:22 PM (jKWYf)

778 "744 Celibacy.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 02, 2013 06:14 PM (2YIjo)

If I had never gotten married and had kids, shit I'd be loaded

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 02, 2013 06:15 PM (9Bj8R) "

:-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 02, 2013 06:22 PM (2YIjo)

779 I have put up a new post to end this unpleasantness.

>>>I'm getting a Charles Johnson vibe from Ace quite a lot since the election.

eh, you're one of the faggots who gets his ass in a sling every time someone blinks at you crosswise.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:22 PM (LCRYB)

780 It takes a village.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 06:22 PM (ZPrif)

781 Look--this is going to sound gay but--the truth is just easier.

In negotiations and diplomacy bluffing is not a good position, the truth wins in the long game.

Something the Obama Administration should consider.


I once debated for three days solid the beauty of lying--sometimes--with a Philosophy prof.


I think he finally convinced me with the argument that most often --lying--is not a simple sin it severely curtails the free will and choices of others.


Once you learn not to lie it is a very liberating thing.

But yes sometimes always telling the truth is a luxury, I know that.

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 06:22 PM (r2PLg)

782 OMG -- this thread is close to 800 comments.

Posted by: Luigi at May 02, 2013 06:22 PM (sXWmd)

783 Tell me more about chromatic aberrations, Diogenes.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:23 PM (LCRYB)

784 Pitching a reality show " Inside Jason Collins". I might work on the title.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 06:23 PM (ZshNr)

785
Confirmed bachelor in his 40's George Clooney?

a) Smokes pickles
b) Does not smoke pickles

Posted by: soothsayer at May 02, 2013 06:23 PM (KwX0v)

786 Busty lesbian porn to unite us?

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 06:23 PM (wsGWu)

787 Marriage rates in the United States have been declining steadily across races over the last decade, with those who do marry doing so much later in life. African Americans and those with less than a high school education, however, have been marrying far less and much later in life (if at all) than whites and those with more education.

This marital stratification by race and education is what Princeton University researcher Daniel Schneider set out to understand in a recent report.
**************
Both groups let the American taxpayer foot the bill of the unwed mothers and dependent children.

That bill needs to go !

Posted by: gonzotx at May 02, 2013 06:23 PM (4CQjf)

788
Yes, *WE* Hurt that woman. It's *OUR* fault.
Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp




"Oh, wicked, bad, naughty, evil Zoot!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 02, 2013 06:23 PM (kdS6q)

789 772 hello it me donna,

Amen....Ewok Six ain't nuking folk or doing a 180 and I am in the laissez-faire camp on Gay stuff as much as possible.

I am not down with the harder antics but celebrating this guy with the word "hero"?

"activist" now maybe but "hero"...

I mean I know *I* am of the designated villain classes here did I miss a bat signal for the pitchforks and torches or something?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 06:23 PM (LRFds)

790 Four score and seven years ago, I smoked some righteous pole in a bathhouse in Gettysburg.
Posted by: A. Lincoln
***

Et tu Abe?
Say it isn't so Abe. Say it isn't so!

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 02, 2013 06:23 PM (uhftQ)

791 Is it just me or does there seem to be some projection happening here?

Just confused, because I haven't seen where anyone on the right is demanding gay people be straight. I think the argument is shut up, your not special, we don't care and just leave our beliefs and churches alone.

Posted by: Spypeach at May 02, 2013 06:23 PM (6xG9/)

792
charges stemming from accusations that he committed crimes against nature involving dogs."

He was trying to outdo the horseman. No word on whether he was trying for the dog-human hybrid though

Posted by: Marcus at May 02, 2013 05:59 PM (I8zlx)



I don't see any difference between beastiality and homosexuality. It's all a matter of what gets people off, right?



Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:24 PM (bb5+k)

793 I'm not offended by this thread at all. Just confused.
I thought it was gonna be a light thread to mock the silly self-importance of this gay black Sandra Fluke thing.
Didn't turn out that way.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 02, 2013 06:24 PM (ZPrif)

794

Diogenes, you are an idiot. You push more buttons than anyone short of jwest and Moo Moo. if anyone should be getting the hammer in a Carhles Jhnonos administration at AoS, you should be among them.

This, despite the fact that I agree with you on this issue to a point.

Posted by: imp at May 02, 2013 06:24 PM (UaxA0)

795 776 Mama Winger,

as a guy who has been thrown out at both the "other bars" I am a pretty good authority on Chuckles and Poppin' Fresh...

Ace ain't on the same planet let alone zip code.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 06:25 PM (LRFds)

796
If he wanted to pretend he easily could have pretended to pork some nba chick fans just as easily as having this fiancee. Go to a bar, kiss a couple of em, talk fashion and shoes. Easy peasy.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 02, 2013 06:25 PM (jKWYf)

797 I'm getting a Charles Johnson vibe from Ace quite a lot since the election.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:18 PM (bb5+k)


**************


Dude--you don't know Charles Johnson.


One of Ace's greatest strengths is he is pretty damn tolerant and he will hash it out---long time.


Kimchi says.

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 06:25 PM (r2PLg)

798
>>>Tell me what he SHOULD have done. I know what he shouldn't have
done (everything he did); but what should he have done? Specifically,
positively.

Well I can't know exactly where he fits on the spectrum of sexuality. One of two things is true. He really has no choice, in which case he shouldn't have started the relationship *or* he does which means he should do what the rest of us do when we reach "that age" and the wife ain't startin' the fire anymore. Take some Viagra and soldier on. This "I discovered" narrative seems more a cover for "I just want to go chase tail and not look like an a$$ hole for dumping a loyal companion"

Someplace along the way he made a wrong decision. No it's not my fault. It doesn't take 8 years to get your sh*t in one sock and know if you can make a relationship work. EOL

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at May 02, 2013 06:25 PM (0q2P7)

799 >>>Yes, *WE* Hurt that woman. It's *OUR* fault.

Monday: Stay in the Closet, Try to be Straight!

Friday: Why did you try to be straight you narcissist?! Think of that poor woman you deceived with your lies!

As I said, someone who doesn't see the tension between these statements is someone who is working very hard to not see the tension between them, and apparently is going to work harder at not seeing the tension that I feel like working to expose it.



Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:25 PM (LCRYB)

800 eh, you're one of the faggots who gets his ass in a sling every time someone blinks at you crosswise.
Posted by: ace
***

He rides a Harley Davidson? (South Park)

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 02, 2013 06:26 PM (uhftQ)

801 Posted by: mama winger at May 02, 2013 06:16 PM (P6QsQ)

Red flag: being celibate while engaged (awesome) for *8* years (what???). Being chaste would normally push people to get married sooner than usual. It is my opinion that straight people in their late 20s or older who can afford long-term engagements are those who are having sex already.

If I ever get engaged, I plan to be married 3 or 4 months after that, tops.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 06:26 PM (6zgse)

802 O/T But it seems odd that the local police think this guy said "jihad" but the Feds say it was "Jesus." I wonder if there is some kind of reason that the Feds (who weren't on the scene) would change what the Dallas cop heard. Hmmmmm....


http://preview.tinyurl.com/d78qe7k

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at May 02, 2013 06:26 PM (1hekh)

803 791 Spypeach,

correct and the left's attitude and some social activist GOP's attitude is "you HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND REJOICE!"

well no, no I don't I almost lost one of my favorite tweeps who also follows me she asked a general question "what major faith supports homosexuality" I gave her an atheist PoV on the doctrinal implications and when she asked my stance I defined it and she got mad I was ranklish at "hero".....

I've been at Soldiers' empty boots ceremony for LoD death....

forgive me my unease at the defication of a guy who can now join the force.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 06:27 PM (LRFds)

804
Again, you can keep the rule if you feel the rule, in the main, is still worthy (that is, the cost-benefit differential is still favorable), but you can't just pretend there are NO costs, or, if there are, they're all *someone else's fault,* and have nothing to do with the policy they obviously have an awful lot do do with.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:01 PM (LCRYB)


I feel the rule does the most good for the most people, but I also recognize that some people end up the worse for it.

Some people are born with autism or birth defects. It's just the shitty luck of the draw.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:28 PM (bb5+k)

805 If I ever get engaged, I plan to be married 3 or 4 months after that, tops.

-------------

Ya, I got married 5 months after I got engaged.

Posted by: mama winger at May 02, 2013 06:28 PM (P6QsQ)

806 >>I can't believe you are discounting family pressure.

How does announcing it to the entire world help him make peace with his mother? If she did find his homosexuality objectionable, all he's done is humiliate her.

As I understand it, he barely gave his brother a heads up.

I'm sure he had all sorts of personal struggles while he was cheating on his girlfriend with other men. I fail to see what a press release (or article, whatever) does to address that.

The fact is that he's being annointed as "brave" because NBA players are apparently an intolerant group of thugs.

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2013 06:28 PM (5H6zj)

807 I'm getting a Charles Johnson vibe from Ace quite a lot since the election.







Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:18 PM

Spoken like a person who gets morality from "trial and error over many millennia of human history."

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at May 02, 2013 06:28 PM (2iU3x)

808 A neighbor retired from the Navy after 20+ years, prior to the "allow the gays in" rule. Decent guy, keeps his house and yard in order, etc.

He and his boyfriend managed to fool(?) his USN colleagues for twenty years. He may think no one suspected; I'd bet the ranch that he's wrong.

He misrepresented, and had so little self-respect that he chose to subordinate himself for twenty years (and compel his boyfriend to hide) to get a pension and whatnot in a club that he wasn't welcome in until just recently.

It's not honorable. It's fraudulent, and while I've been polite to the guy, I can't help but have very little respect for his gaming of the system.

Posted by: Skip Tracer at May 02, 2013 06:28 PM (2+bRt)

809 Nobody is seeing the tension because nobody on Monday is saying that.

Posted by: lowandslow at May 02, 2013 06:28 PM (Fz2C7)

810 "Monday: Stay in the Closet, Try to be Straight! "

Really? Who? On Monday I saw a lot of "Who?".followed by a good splash.of "who cares"

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 06:29 PM (wsGWu)

811 F- you, Abe Lincoln! We all know there was only one pole smoker in the White House, and it wasn't you!

Posted by: James Buchanan (undisputed champ of the Turkish bath) at May 02, 2013 06:29 PM (JoIcn)

812 I know this is hard to imagine, but picture yourself with your wife and kids, say, three little ones 8-13. You're at Disney World. Been planning the trip for months and lo and behold, it's "Gay Pride Day."

Not hard to imagine. It happened to my family. It was a big "meh," I didn't see anything that had me running for the exits or putting blinders on the kids, and it made for pretty hilarious people watching.

Posted by: jakeman at May 02, 2013 06:29 PM (96M6e)

813 Grammar Nazi here:

"An Hero For Us All"

The rule for using 'a' and 'an' with words starting with 'h' is that 'an' goes with words of four or more syllables. So: 'a hero', 'a history', but 'an historical'.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at May 02, 2013 06:29 PM (5hNpF)

814
Again, it would have been easier for him to say "I got a girl in every nba town" than to keep this fiancee. But he dragged this girl along for 8 years.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 02, 2013 06:29 PM (jKWYf)

815 >>>As I said, someone who doesn't see the tension between these statements
is someone who is working very hard to not see the tension between them,
and apparently is going to work harder at not seeing the tension that I
feel like working to expose it.

Your entire scope of argument assumes a 0 spectrum of sexuality. Your either 100% gay or 100% not. So anyone with *any* homesexual tendencies by your rule *has* to abandon the idea of ever having a normal family. Even if he can get it up for women. I don't mind the "give it a try for societal pressure" meme. We all conform to societal pressure in relationships in one way or another. I wouldn't have faulted him if his engagement was a year and the relationship two years old. You tried, it didn't work, I get that.

This 8 years BS. No way you can put that on society. That's way too long to be feeling out sexual compatibility as a *sole* concern.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at May 02, 2013 06:30 PM (0q2P7)

816 >>>The rule for using 'a' and 'an' with words starting with 'h' is that 'an' goes with words of four or more syllables. So: 'a hero', 'a history', but 'an historical'.


i know, it's a 4chan joke I like, using "An" incorrectly.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:31 PM (LCRYB)

817 Ace, you're mocking as impossible exactly what JC said he did. He faked being straight. Nowhere in any of the stories is there anything about how he felt about the conservative reaction to his gayness. That's all made up in this thread.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 06:31 PM (ZshNr)

818 @769 Yep. I'm the same age, very single and very involved in church. And I never get any grief for it. I'm sure Jason Collins would not have been executed by "society" if he had just stayed unattached.
-----------------------------
My entire congregation is single 30-50 year old men and women, in a church that has a heavy emphasis on the importance of marriage.

It's fun.

Posted by: junior at May 02, 2013 06:31 PM (UWFpX)

819 Top 33%? Hate to see the bottom 33%

Posted by: Matlock at May 02, 2013 06:32 PM (B0SwL)

820 >>>Again, it would have been easier for him to say "I got a girl in every nba town" than to keep this fiancee. But he dragged this girl along for 8 years.

yes he did the wrong thing by proposing to her and thinking he'd get married to her.

Why does this guy do stupid shit like this? Who is telling him to do these crazy-stupid things?!!?

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:32 PM (LCRYB)

821 >>>I'm getting a Charles Johnson vibe from Ace quite a lot since the election.

The very fact you can make that statement here invalidates it. Once again channeling no concept of reason or logic.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at May 02, 2013 06:32 PM (0q2P7)

822 Painting with a broad brush of course, but I don't accept the idea this is a pure left right issue. It's fun for the media to weave that narrative I am sure, but reality is more complicated than that, as always. I'm not going along with that.

Posted by: Dave S. at May 02, 2013 06:02 PM (K4AdI)


Most Black people that I know(95% Democrat support) are very offended by homosexuals comparing themselves to what Black's went through with racism.


Also That gay marriage thing in California won a hell of a lot of support from non-right voters.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:32 PM (bb5+k)

823 We're "arguing", as you put it, about it because you keep telling us we told this guy "not to be gay."
I never told the guy a thing.

No, he felt the need to make sure the whole world knew what a brave, special little snowflake he is.

Dag nabbit, need to plug the phone in before it's pushing up daisies.

Posted by: teej at May 02, 2013 06:33 PM (pQdNP)

824 819 Matlock,

Call me up sometime Andy....

//Helen Thomas and Re Paul

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 06:33 PM (LRFds)

825 806

Oh, I wasn't addressing his need to come out publicly. I just understand why he got engaged. People were saying "well no one gave a shit that he was single in his 30s" and I really don't think we can know that. Fans and media and teammates aren't everyone, and I doubt those were the folks he (and gay people who don't have fans, aren't famous) the charade was primarily for.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at May 02, 2013 06:33 PM (GmTxn)

826 Ya, I got married 5 months after I got engaged.

Slacker. I had the Catholic Church turn their system upside down and got married on a Friday night, candlelight mass, within three months.

Protip: Don't try this in your own parish, it aint' gonna happen.

Posted by: Regular Moron at May 02, 2013 06:34 PM (U2UQk)

827 But what should he have

done? Specifically, positively.

Nothing special. It's not like he needed to make an announcement. He doesn't have to have a coming out party - nor be promiscuous and vulgar in public to be gay.

If he's the sort to match up with a companion, he could have just done it. No trumpeting, no grandstanding.

But, if he preferred to keep people guessing he could have done that too, and been honorable. Deceit and playing with someone else' s heart and future was not necessary to do that. He could have just not dated. Or, in the alternative, if he chose to hide,he even could have selected a woman who knew exactly who he was.

Posted by: Sarahw at May 02, 2013 06:34 PM (LYwCh)

828

Spoken like a person who gets morality from "trial and error over many millennia of human history."

Posted by: LC LaWedgie



You, sir, are a myopic retard.

Posted by: imp at May 02, 2013 06:35 PM (UaxA0)

829 820 Ace,

Perhaps the guy Ace?

Not snark. I am thinking he was thinking "if this pisses off a star player I'm fucked I'm nobody special and I'll be looked at as a trouble maker."

It ain't my fault nor society at large's it's his paymater's.....

you know the enlightened democrat friendly NBA bud

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 06:35 PM (LRFds)

830 How about them Jets?

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2013 06:35 PM (5H6zj)

831 " Who is telling him to do these crazy-stupid things?!!?"

Not us.

Posted by: Lauren at May 02, 2013 06:35 PM (wsGWu)

832
Well, I am using that you are saying society pressured him to be a certain way. However, it did not pressure him to get married young and have kids. Not the society in the USA for the last 30 years. So I think his saying he was pressured to get married and have kids is a lie.

So I am saying if the pressure by society and the nba is to hide the gay, he was wrong in hiding it by stringing this girl along. There were less hurtful ways.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 02, 2013 06:36 PM (jKWYf)

833 >>>Why does this guy do stupid shit like this? Who is telling him to do these crazy-stupid things?!!?

The same people who tell us all to do these crazy stupid things. He isn't special. He strung along a girl for 8 years. He has to take responsibility for that. There is *no* excuse for that.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at May 02, 2013 06:36 PM (0q2P7)

834 Ace, you're over 30 and you're not married. Why aren't you faking being engaged to a chick?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 06:36 PM (6zgse)

835 Not to say that the original point is off at all. Gays are king at the moment for the left, because it delivers the young votes more than anything, including their own futures. So yes, you can do what Howie did...and that's why. But it's not like all the bigotry comes from the right on this one.

Posted by: Dave S. at May 02, 2013 06:05 PM (K4AdI)


Votes through "Glee" and "Modern Family". The reason young people are buying this song and dance is because they are WATCHING this song and dance.


It will get worse until there is media competition.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:36 PM (bb5+k)

836 Per Ace's comment, we had to talk about her toned arms because butterface.

Posted by: MSM at May 02, 2013 06:36 PM (Zv1QB)

837 "Why does this guy do stupid shit like this? Who is telling him to do these crazy-stupid things?!!?"

Nobody, not his church nor our society as a whole. Nobody told him shit when it came to toying with this women, he made that asinine decision all by himself. Why are so determined to pass off this assholes actions on us?

Posted by: lowandslow at May 02, 2013 06:37 PM (Fz2C7)

838 Look, I'm not getting any deader.

Posted by: Bruised Horse at May 02, 2013 06:38 PM (DLu2s)

839
Now I mean that's silly because every straight guy here would say "That's ridiculous, that would never happen and I'd never do that."

Well... ponder that.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:06 PM (LCRYB)


Well ponder this. To have sex with a woman, your dick has to get hard.

The process only works if it turns you on. If it disgusts you, you lose your boner.


So did he lose his boner?

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:38 PM (bb5+k)

840 830 Y-Not,

the Chargers did *something* this draft first time I ain't watched in decades.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 06:38 PM (LRFds)

841 Why does this guy do stupid shit like this? Who is telling him to do these crazy-stupid things?!!?

---

Well it's certainly not HIS OWN FUCKING CONSCIENCE, now is it?

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 02, 2013 06:39 PM (BVkEs)

842 A pro b-ball player who can't decide his sexual proclivities after eight years while 15 year old girls can get plan B.

I'm seeing something here, but I can't quite get it into focus. A little help?

Posted by: Regular Moron at May 02, 2013 06:40 PM (U2UQk)

843 Yeah, attractive? Mooch reminds me of the human-eating green monster from 'War of the Gargantuas.' Maybe it's those teeth of hers, but a raving beauty she is not. And I think 90% of that shows from her attitude, not her physical features.

As for the firing, it amazes me how double- and triple-jointed morally Leftists have to be to make their worldview into a coherent (to them, anyway) whole.

Posted by: acethepug at May 02, 2013 06:40 PM (AZykp)

844
Posted by: Bruised Horse at May 02, 2013 06:38 PM

We need to make sure so this never comes back. Hold still, let me whack you a couple more times.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 02, 2013 06:40 PM (jKWYf)

845 The GOP fucked over Jason Collins' ex-fiance through secret codes embedded in NPR broadcasts and nanobots dispersed by Chemtrails! Look it up!

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 02, 2013 06:41 PM (ZshNr)

846 Anyway, can we agree that Jason Mediocre-NBA-Player didn't do anything remotely warranting a call from the PRESIDENT OF THE F'ING UNITED STATES about his eye-watering courage? Whether he was a meanie to his fiancee or not?

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at May 02, 2013 06:43 PM (DLu2s)

847 Ace, you're over 30 and you're not married. Why aren't you faking being engaged to a chick?Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 06:36 PM (6zgse)heh

Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at May 02, 2013 06:43 PM (/7Xis)

848 EC, I posted an En Vogue video... and got zero response. I doubt such tricks will work on this thread.

***

I missed it.

Which was it?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 02, 2013 06:43 PM (piMMO)

849 "I don't have any problem with Jason Collins coming out of the closet. In fact, I think it's a good thing."

Me too. Though I think he just fucked himself in the ass by this move.

Posted by: Nero Wolfe's Beer Glass at May 02, 2013 06:44 PM (Ansg1)

850 Here's a real hero:

http://tinyurl.com/czk48kd

(link goes to the Daily Mail)

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2013 06:44 PM (5H6zj)

851 http://tinyurl.com/cgd9nd9

Oldest surviving Holocaust Victim dead at 107

God bless and keep you, you're back among friends and suffered nobly.


Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 06:44 PM (LRFds)

852 On his Sunday broadcast, CNN’s Howard Kurtz was critical of both CNN’s and the rest of the media’s coverage of the quickly moving story of the apprehension of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects on Friday. “What is the rush to put this information that has not been confirmed on the air?” Kurtz asked of his own network as well as the rest of the progressive media establishment.

Many outlets got early aspects of the story wrong as events unfolded during that hectic Friday afternoon. Some sources said suspects were arrested long before they were and reports that there was “a body” on the boat in which bombing suspect Dzhokar Tsarnaev had taken refuge also turned out to be a garbling of the facts.

Kurtz noted that getting facts wrong this isn’t anything new for the media and cited the case of Richard Jewell who was convicted in the press of the Olympic bombing in 1996 even as he ended up being innocent.

Posted by: Willie Sutton at May 02, 2013 06:44 PM (e8kgV)

853 No, dammnit I'm right here

Posted by: Jasin Collins Boner at May 02, 2013 06:45 PM (/7Xis)

854 Oddly I don't know their sexuality.


VIENNA – An Austrian organization that
tracks the fate of Nazi concentration camp inmates says the oldest
known survivor of such a camp has died aged 107.


The Mauthausen Committee said Thursday that Leopold Engleitner died
April 21. After refusing to renounce his faith as a Jehova's Witness, he
survived three concentration camps and forced labor between 1939 and
1945.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 06:45 PM (LRFds)

855
And Western Civilization was communitarian, not communist. Big, big difference.

Without a unified culture, we will fall. Slowly or quickly, it matters not. Hedonistic individualism simply doesn't make a cohesive culture.

Posted by: imp at May 02, 2013 06:18 PM (UaxA0)

Exactly right. The structure is held up by it's foundations, and we are in the process of a slow motion collapse.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:46 PM (bb5+k)

856 Really, should have been "might get himself fucked up the ass by this move", which was the original. Always better on first cut.

Posted by: Nero Wolfe's Beer Glass at May 02, 2013 06:46 PM (Ansg1)

857 You know maybe ten years ago aces "just don't be gay" argument might have been a mainstream conservative viewpoint. But even ten years ago would be pushing it. Now most conservatives are of the I don't care what you're doing in the bedroom just stop making it a national story and stop trying to destroy the fabric of society with it.

Posted by: Buzzion at May 02, 2013 06:47 PM (MJXVJ)

858 "one of the most sublimely and incandescently beautiful women to ever bless the soil of the earth with the sweat of her lovely foot."

not true, ace. michelle doesn't sweat, she glistens...

Posted by: razor419 at May 02, 2013 06:47 PM (68i8t)

859 834
Ace, you're over 30 and you're not married. Why aren't you faking being engaged to a chick? Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 02, 2013 06:36 PM (6zgse)


He was quite recently in a relationship with Marco Rubio's garbage, but sadly it didn't work out. We just need to give him some time to heal. . . and then set him up with Ted Cruz's garbage. Trading up!

Posted by: LizLem at May 02, 2013 06:50 PM (8wqqE)

860 I still rely on my Unifying Chicago-Hot-Dog Lover Theory:

Sex is like ketchup on hot dogs; do anything you want to a consenting wiener, just don't make me watch.

And don't expect a call from me lauding your courage because you glop Heinz 57 on a Vienna Red-Hot and admit it in public.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at May 02, 2013 06:50 PM (DLu2s)

861 >>the Chargers did *something* this draft first time I ain't watched in decades

I really think they need to get a new QB. He seems to have peaked and it's just not enough.

We try to watch the first few rounds every year, but husband's current job always manages to schedule something he cannot miss on draft day. I DVRd it and we stayed off the web so we could watch it over the weekend. (I think my husband is a lucky guy.)

Posted by: Y-not at May 02, 2013 06:50 PM (5H6zj)

862
I know thisis a dead thread

ut maybe the reason he felt the need to be hetero, or act hetero,

was pressure from the Black Community which has trouble accepting alternative lifestyles allegedly

just spit balling here

still a non story for me tho, especially with everything else going on

Posted by: thunderb at May 02, 2013 06:50 PM (nH8jP)

863 Ace, if no one else has mentioned, "An Hero" is a specific thing on the internet. It comes from 4chan, and long-story-short, a person that is "An Hero" is a person that should kill themselves.

Posted by: shillelagh at May 02, 2013 06:52 PM (sZv02)

864 Really? I mean Really? Chuckes McFuck stick at little green ass holes? What have you been smoking?

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 02, 2013 06:20 PM (9+ccr)


It's the best example that came to mind. Our side *IS* a coalition, and i've been noticing a trend amongst the more urban types to swallow the Liberal party line and become more libertarian. I'm sure ace is Fiscally solid, but I sense him sort of demurring and questioning on social issues such as this one.

This thread is another example in a series in which I think Ace is questioning things which were pretty much previously in a state of general consensus.


The SoCon position on homosexuality has become uncomfortable for urbanites nowadays.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:52 PM (bb5+k)

865
I could go on and on, but I see that I already have

Posted by: mama winger at May 02, 2013 06:21 PM (P6QsQ)

What I meant by that is the feeling that he is turning against his base somewhat. Charles Johnson is the only example of this to which I can point.

I think Ace is just expressing his frustration at what he perceives to be some of the cause for missed opportunities and lost elections.


I don't think SoCon policies or Positions are the cause of our defeat, I think the cause of our defeat is that the liberals prep the battlefield on a daily basis with their propaganda disguised as entertainment.

They own the media and it is now crushing us.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 06:55 PM (bb5+k)

866 Ace, I think you're being dense. How about he tells his fiance, the interested party, asap, and then avoid making a spectacle of it? Although I'd blame the media for 95% of the spectacle, surely.

Posted by: Randy M at May 02, 2013 06:57 PM (vI8R6)

867
eh, you're one of the faggots who gets his ass in a sling every time someone blinks at you crosswise.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:22 PM (LCRYB)


I am merely pointing out that from my perspective it appears that you have been highly critical of SoCon positions in several postings since the election.

I guess citing Charles Johnson was perhaps not a good choice, but I can't think of another example of the phenomena with which to compare.

Rightly or wrongly, I have been getting the feeling that you are less than happy with some of the SoCon baggage. I don't think i'm alone in seeing this either.


My apologies for the Charles Johnson Comparison. I thought it was mildly funny, but apparently it wasn't.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 07:00 PM (bb5+k)

868 867 Diogenes lamp,

DL you know I am one of your guys here.

The CJ thing is a hot button and highlights a guy blowing up his blog and posters...

I get what you're trying to say, and it may feel that way but Ace has always been pretty up front about FiCon SocMod/libertarian

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 07:03 PM (LRFds)

869 Tell me more about chromatic aberrations, Diogenes.

Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:23 PM (LCRYB)


In Lenses, or what? I know mirrors don't have them. A friend of mine was an Astronomy nut who was in to making his own mirrors.

What is the relevancy?

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 07:03 PM (bb5+k)

870 What I want to know is when will the love that dare not speak it's name just shut the hell up already.

Posted by: Ron at May 02, 2013 07:04 PM (kvvhk)

871 It takes a couple thousand words to fisk 9? Kurtz tweeted nothing wrong, unless you think repeating in a tweet something that is true, but knowable from a few google searches, is wrong. And if that is the case, 99.999% of tweets that aren't about sex or kittens are wrong.

Posted by: Randall Hoven at May 02, 2013 07:05 PM (3a5a+)

872
Diogenes, you are an idiot. You push more buttons than anyone short of jwest and Moo Moo. if anyone should be getting the hammer in a Carhles Jhnonos administration at AoS, you should be among them.

This, despite the fact that I agree with you on this issue to a point.

Posted by: imp at May 02, 2013 06:24 PM (UaxA0)

One of the things I most admire about this website is that you can disagree with the Mods and the Owner, and they still respect your right to speak your piece.

As to whether I am an idiot or not, I'm pretty proud of my track record of predictions. I must be doing something right.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 07:08 PM (bb5+k)

873 as a guy who has been thrown out at both the "other bars" I am a pretty good authority on Chuckles and Poppin' Fresh...

Ace ain't on the same planet let alone zip code.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 06:25 PM (LRFds)


Apparently that's a much sorer spot than I would have guessed. I seriously underestimated the degree of dislike for Charles Johnson on this website. I have only tangential knowledge of him as I was never a member or browser of his website.

All I know is he turned against his original clientele, and that he's a kook.


I Formally apologize for the comparison.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 07:13 PM (bb5+k)

874 >>>Apparently that's a much sorer spot than I would have guessed. I
seriously underestimated the degree of dislike for Charles Johnson on
this website. I have only tangential knowledge of him as I was never a
member or browser of his website.


How in god's name can you be a regular reader around here and not know about the history between us and Charles Johnson? Christ, you continue to amaze.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 07:15 PM (/COnL)

875 873 Diogenes Lamp,

nah it ain't like that I mean "I accept" I guess but you didn't "offend me"

You ever around on an ONT and the 'rons, 'ettes and staff allow it and it is slow I'll nutshell the LGF chronicles or you can go to "Diary of daedulus" they have a history

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 07:15 PM (LRFds)

876 Can we just get a show of hands of every social conservative who thinks "try and be straight" is the go-to advice for someone like Jason Collins.

Based on Ace's comments, there should be a lot of hands, right?

Posted by: Kensington at May 02, 2013 07:16 PM (ymYNL)

877
Dude--you don't know Charles Johnson.


One of Ace's greatest strengths is he is pretty damn tolerant and he will hash it out---long time.


Kimchi says.

Posted by: tasker at May 02, 2013 06:25 PM (r2PLg)


No, I don't know Charles Johnson, except by bits and pieces i've picked up from the comments. And Yes, I've already lauded Ace and company for being quite willing to tolerate dissenting opinions voiced on his website.


I am sorry I made the comparison, but I also I think I got my point across.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 07:17 PM (bb5+k)

878 >>>I am sorry I made the comparison, but I also I think I got my point across.

But you didn't do that either. This isn't a "new development" for Ace. He's ALWAYS held these views. I remember him writing about how he was pretty much holding his nose w/r/t the Federal Marriage Amendment that Bush pushed hard on during the 2004 campaign. That was nearly a decade ago, and LONG before gay marriage was A Thing like it is now.

If anything is going on here, it's that the impending triumph of gay marriage has Heightened The Contradictions, as old Marxists would be fond of putting it, making true hardcore so-cons louder, angrier, more embittered and more unyielding than ever before. So Ace's arguments have been more bitter, because he realizes that this is a losing issue in America now and yet, perversely, the anti-gay side has become MORE intolerant and MORE unyielding in certain respects. And it fucking hurts us electorally.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 07:21 PM (/COnL)

879
As I said, someone who doesn't see the tension between these statements is someone who is working very hard to not see the tension between them, and apparently is going to work harder at not seeing the tension that I feel like working to expose it.



Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 06:25 PM (LCRYB)


My point is that there is an absence of intent. The Man is simply being crushed by the wheels of the societal rules.

I also think you are conflating the one thing as being the direct cause of the other, when it is not.

General principles are not specific instructions, and the two points you present have different motivation behind them.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 07:23 PM (bb5+k)

880 Ace, you're being all queeg. The blind fools will never grasp your shimmering logic. And the strawberries are gone. Gone.

Posted by: Bear is keeping count at May 02, 2013 07:23 PM (h7ORv)

881 878 Jeff B,

and fuck them frankly...this type of strident activist bullshit is what empowered the Klan in the 20s and weaponized jim Crow into the 60s....

Goddamned hyper charged activists kept people like me more moderate than Ace but someone trying to find 'peace" and Ace from arriving at a peaceful cessation of the stigma....

I hate the bastards.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 07:24 PM (LRFds)

882 >>>I'm getting a Charles Johnson vibe from Ace quite a lot since the election.

The very fact you can make that statement here invalidates it. Once again channeling no concept of reason or logic.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at May 02, 2013 06:32 PM (0q2P7)


One of the things I did think when I made that statement was that it was likely to get some rebuttal.


Consider me butted.


But I made my point, I think. We Americans are given to exaggeration. It's how we get our point across much of the time.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 07:28 PM (bb5+k)

883 Diogenes has grabbed the wrong end of a fascinating question; why are there paraphilias?

I think we're on a runaway evolutionary feedback loop for big brains and long expensive childhoods, and that our amping our sexuality up to 11ty is part of that. And it .. splatters ..

Posted by: Bear is keeping count at May 02, 2013 07:31 PM (h7ORv)

884 Spoken like a person who gets morality from "trial and error over many millennia of human history."

Posted by: LC LaWedgie


You, sir, are a myopic retard.

Posted by: imp at May 02, 2013 06:35 PM (UaxA0)



I know i'm on your shit list, but I honestly could not think of a response to that guy. I know of few things more self evident than that Societal morality is the product of evolved experience.


We have the social rules we have because we've tried everything in the past, and this is the stuff that was successful.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 07:33 PM (bb5+k)

885 884 Diogenes Lamp,

and I feel you're mostly correct in that....

it gives me heat with people who want the answers to be something else...hell I'm conflicted but like my tweep said this week, "You're kidding me ONLY WICCA?!?"

Yup only Wicca.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 07:34 PM (LRFds)

886 You know maybe ten years ago aces "just don't be gay" argument might have been a mainstream conservative viewpoint. But even ten years ago would be pushing it. Now most conservatives are of the I don't care what you're doing in the bedroom just stop making it a national story and stop trying to destroy the fabric of society with it.

Posted by: Buzzion at May 02, 2013 06:47 PM (MJXVJ)


It is my belief that stopping is not an option for them. They solicit approval, and they won't be content until they have absolute approval. Not even then.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 07:36 PM (bb5+k)

887 886 Diogenes Lamp,

Yup nothing will make them feel "I'm equal" because they can't be, but then I don't understand why they want it so badly. I mean I get why they don't want stigma but the harder activists' desire for adulation bewilders me.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 07:38 PM (LRFds)

888 DL you know I am one of your guys here.

The CJ thing is a hot button and highlights a guy blowing up his blog and posters...

I get what you're trying to say, and it may feel that way but Ace has always been pretty up front about FiCon SocMod/libertarian

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 07:03 PM (LRFds)


Apparently it is much hotter than I would have guessed. I'm more of in the Will Rogers camp.


"If you call a pinhead a "pinhead" he gets mad. If you call a wise man a "pinhead", he just laughs. "


I never thought the comparison would have been so resented as to provoke such a reaction. I was going for funny. I think i'll use a longer pole if I should ever consider suggesting it again.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 07:43 PM (bb5+k)

889 888 Diogenes Lamp,

It always hurts when a guy leaves your camp and goes to the other side I guess...although honestly he does so little for the left I'm almost to the point it is just funny.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 07:46 PM (LRFds)

890
How in god's name can you be a regular reader around here and not know about the history between us and Charles Johnson? Christ, you continue to amaze.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 07:15 PM (/COnL)


Most of this website passes me by. I catch bits and pieces of it when I have opportunity. I know from what i've read that Charles Turned on his readers, and drove them off.

I have honestly been seeing quite a bit of criticism directed at some of the coalition groups with which I have substantial overlap. "Vibe" was absolutely the correct word.


We're all about Honesty in this thread, Right?


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 07:52 PM (bb5+k)

891 Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 07:15 PM (/COnL)

Jeff we LGF refugess are told to "not stir the pot super hard" or were rather...

so the precise story may have faded a bit....

we LGF outcasts know who we are.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 07:54 PM (LRFds)

892 If anything is going on here, it's that the impending triumph of gay marriage has Heightened The Contradictions, as old Marxists would be fond of putting it, making true hardcore so-cons louder, angrier, more embittered and more unyielding than ever before. So Ace's arguments have been more bitter, because he realizes that this is a losing issue in America now and yet, perversely, the anti-gay side has become MORE intolerant and MORE unyielding in certain respects. And it fucking hurts us electorally.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 07:21 PM (/COnL)


And that is my point. His arguments have become more bitter. (and more common, I think.)


The Angriest Ace ever got with me (to my knowledge) was when I called him a political pragmatist. (Or words to that effect.)

But here's the thing dude, The principles aren't based on whim. You give them up to win elections and it won't matter in the long run because you won't have anything governable.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 07:55 PM (bb5+k)

893 Diogenes has grabbed the wrong end of a fascinating question; why are there paraphilias?

I think we're on a runaway evolutionary feedback loop for big brains and long expensive childhoods, and that our amping our sexuality up to 11ty is part of that. And it .. splatters ..

Posted by: Bear is keeping count at May 02, 2013 07:31 PM (h7ORv)


Well stated. It's a general gist, but I think you have a piece of the puzzle.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 07:58 PM (bb5+k)

894 Yup nothing will make them feel "I'm equal" because they can't be, but then I don't understand why they want it so badly. I mean I get why they don't want stigma but the harder activists' desire for adulation bewilders me.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 07:38 PM (LRFds)


I have been researching Homosexuality for a couple of decades, and I probably have a better working understanding of it than do most people. The first thing anyone needs to know about it is that it isn't a specific condition. It's a lot like auspergers spectrum disorder, there are a LOT of variations of it.


But one of the common factors of humanity is the need to feel like you are part of the herd. It's an instinctual desire, and rather than modify their inclinations to conform to the herd, many of them would prefer to modify the herd to accept their inclinations.

That this has happened before, and that it was a failure is something of which they are mostly ignorant, and likewise unwilling to believe even if they did know of it.

Narcissism is a real problem nowadays.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 08:04 PM (bb5+k)

895
It always hurts when a guy leaves your camp and goes to the other side I guess...although honestly he does so little for the left I'm almost to the point it is just funny.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 02, 2013 07:46 PM (LRFds)


Funny is what I was going for. I guess the barb was a bit too cruel.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 08:06 PM (bb5+k)

896 Later peeps. Real life beckons with it's annoying responsibilities.


Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at May 02, 2013 08:08 PM (bb5+k)

897 If Michelle Obama dropped 50 pounds and wiped that awful look off her face, then maybe she'd be slightly attractive.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 02, 2013 08:13 PM (yYI33)

898 262 >>>Mr. Collins must be brave. What about the woman he was engaged to for EIGHT years? I am almost sure she is not calling Mr. Collins brave.

yeah he should have done the right thing and married her.

All women wish to be married to closeted homosexuals.
Posted by: ace at May 02, 2013 05:05 PM (LCRYB)

Right, because it is simply not possible to discuss these things with the people you are about to marry *before* you go to press and treat them like shed objects. Press before hos, right?

Posted by: Kerry at May 02, 2013 08:16 PM (AYfPj)

899 I am a small c conservatarian. I laugh at my liberal friends when they bitch-and-moan about excessive government. I find myself in agreement with Ace on a lot of things, heck, probably most of the big items here. However, I would never compare him to CJ -- at least not the CJ of the past 5 or so years, maybe the early version but I wasn't really around there all that long until he went all CJ.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 02, 2013 08:18 PM (yYI33)

900 >>>I am a small c conservatarian. I laugh at my liberal friends when they bitch-and-moan about excessive government.

You're good people, SFGoth. And you must be lonely as shit if you still live out there in San Francisco. Unless you're like me, and you just enjoy being That Guy i.e. "the one conservative in a sea of liberals, willing to calmly put up with all their bullshit."

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 02, 2013 08:32 PM (/COnL)

901 He's an opportunist douche. He plays a pointless, queer game that doesn't even remotely resemble football, and then wants people to oo and goo that he's a homo. I mean really.

Posted by: Name at May 02, 2013 09:52 PM (KqnY1)

902 Michelle Obama is ugly as crap

Lets be real

Posted by: Mr Wonderful at May 02, 2013 10:18 PM (lD8ju)

903 Ace,

Not sure if you know what An Hero means...

Posted by: Rusty Nail at May 02, 2013 11:46 PM (WWuYG)

904 Hear me roar

Posted by: Chill WInd at May 03, 2013 12:22 AM (FMrA0)

905 Michelle Obama is middling physically attractive. Her skeevy socialist soul is brutally ugly, and it shows.

Posted by: Speller at May 03, 2013 01:32 AM (J74Py)

906 The media-created myth of Michelle Obama's great beauty doesn't bother me nearly as much as the media-created myth of Michelle Obama's great intelligence and accomplishment.

How many times have we seen fawning articles or t.v. stories referring to her as a "high-powered" lawyer. In fact, she was an Affirmative Action admission to Harvard Law, and it took her more than a year to pass the Illinois bar exam after graduating (which strongly suggests that she failed at least once).

MO has had a grand total of ONE lawyer job her entire life -- that was her job as a junior associate at Sidley & Austin that she had right out of law school. She only lasted a couple of years in that job before being told that the job "was not the right fit" for her (i.e., you're outta here). After that, she was unemployed for a time (because apparently nobody else needed an unqualified AA lawyer who'd already been fired). Then Barry's political fixer Valerie Jarrett arranged a specially-made-for-her, non-lawyer, political patronage job for Michelle.

The woman has never been a "high-powered" lawyer in her life; she's barely been a lawyer. Yet the MSM continues to promote this myth as fact.

Posted by: Horrified Observer at May 03, 2013 09:40 AM (/sohm)






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