California Democrats Propose Punishing Investment Firms Which Might Finance Koch Purchase of LA Times

We had to destroy Free Speech in order to save it.

Democrats are actually floating the idea of withdrawing pension investments from firms that may finance the Koch Brothers' hypothetical purchase of the LA Times-- a straight-up state exercise of power to block someone's speech rights. And, as Allah supposes, so odious as to quickly get censured by a court, should it ever actually happen.

The Newspaper Guild has weighed in, calling on the Tribune to reject a Koch Brothers offer:

Recently you’ve seen many petitions asking that the Koch brothers not be allowed to buy the Tribune Company’s newspapers. We understand why the Kochs breed this distrust. They are active political proponents of harsh right-wing positions. We’re also not certain that Tribune will listen to anything but money when the final decision is made.

What we do know is that great papers publish credible, trusted journalism online and on the printed page. Whoever comes to own these mastheads needs to understand that protecting newsrooms from ideological taint is no small thing. The future of American journalism depends on the ability to print truth, not opinion.

Facts such as these?

Meghan McArdle wrote about this issue recently, specifically the new claims flowing from the left that newspapers are naturally and inevitably left-leaning (with the unstated suggestion that any deviation from this situation would be aberrant, immoral, and Just Plain Wrong). The claim goes that natural free-market forces compel a newspaper to be liberal, and therefore that's the natural state of things, and any deviation from that could only come from an unnatural commitment to an ideological position.

After digesting these claims, McArdle scotches them:

[M]any newspapers used to be conservative. But the media consolidation of the 1950s, when the rise television and radio drove most cities down to a single daily, actually gave newspapers considerable freedom to ignore the preferences of their readership. Not entirely; in most places you could not endorse the student riots, or communism. But you could afford to drift to the left of your readership as long as you maintained an agreeable tone about it. What were the readers going to do about it? Go without a newspaper?

I find this whole line of argument pretty absurd (and it comes from an absurd thinker, Something Faranze-Gupta or whatever, a serial offender in soft cryptomarxist stupidity).

Let's look at Europe. Europeans are our betters, are they not? Isn't that usually the left's claim when they seek a transformation of society?

London is England's city and perennially elects a leftwing mayor. And yet a plurality of its newspapers are conservative-leaning, in all categories, from the downscale tabloids to the upscale broadsheets.

Apparently in London "natural market forces" do not dictate that all major newspapers must be left-leaning. Most of them are actually Tory!

Similarly, in France, the conservative-leaning Le Figaro (published in Paris, generally mostly about Paris, as most French media is) is the second largest selling newspaper in the country. Yes, the top slot does go to a left-leaning paper, but apparently Paris, too, can successfully field a center-right newspaper.

(Note that both Paris and London are a bit different than the US, because both are sort of... city-states, in a way. That is, the distinction between "Paris" and "France" or "London" and "England" is slimmer one than the difference, say, between "Los Angeles" and "America." In France and England, the newspapers of the First City are de facto "national" newspapers in a way that no newspaper in the US is a de facto "national" newspaper.)*

Matt Welch looks at the example of the Houston Chronicle, a newspaper serving a huge right-of-center city, which has not been conservative sine the 50s.

"Natural market forces" do not demand that the Chronicle be left-of-center; rather, reporters at the Chronicle demand it be left-of-center.

These reporters are not serving their client base; they're serving themselves. They're not reflecting the preferences of their readers, but only their own.

This is nothing but protection of a particular ideology's power base. There is no "natural" reason that a media must be left-leaning, but leftists are goddamned determined that it remain so.

If natural market forces mean that all media must be liberal, someone should tell those California Democrats to stop using artificial, ideological state power to keep a leftist power-base in line. After all, natural market forces should take care of it on their own schedule, no?

* It occurs to me that the Founders kept the US from becoming a "city-state," if you will, dominated by one great city, when they insisted that the political capital of the United States should not be one of its commercial, financial, and population capitals. In the early days of the fledgling Republic, the "capital" famously circulated around a whole heck of a lot before moving permanently to a converted no-man's-land of a swamp straddling two different states.

And so the political power center of the US was kept physically separate from the financial, commercial, and media power centers. Until recently, at least, when the media-government-corporate power centers decided to merge because People Just Can't Think For Themselves and Because Socialism Is Teh Future.

Posted by: Ace at 04:59 PM



Comments

1 California? That place can't fall into the Pacific fast enough.

Posted by: garrett at May 01, 2013 05:01 PM (CZcCU)

2 first?

Posted by: loneduck at May 01, 2013 05:01 PM (trhwS)

3 damn...

Posted by: loneduck at May 01, 2013 05:01 PM (trhwS)

4 When do we expect an answer?

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 01, 2013 05:01 PM (UypUQ)

5 Journalists have become the true definition of 'conservative' as in defending the status quo and resisting change. They are Mastodons who are about to find themselves frozen in a glacier with fresh buttercups in their crop.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 01, 2013 05:02 PM (1zr4/)

6

Facts such as these?

lol

no lie.

the cynicism; it cuts deeply; a beautiful thing to behold

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 01, 2013 05:03 PM (XYSwB)

7 >> a converted no-man's-land of a swamp straddling three different states

Three?

Posted by: Andy at May 01, 2013 05:04 PM (nuImW)

8
>>>In the early days of the fledgling Republic, the "capital" famously circulated around a whole heck of a lot before moving permanently to a converted no-man's-land of a swamp straddling three different states.


If I recall, Madison and Jefferson just happened to be heavily invested in said swamp.

Posted by: garrett at May 01, 2013 05:04 PM (CZcCU)

9
In the end, what they are really saying is, why yes, there is another side to the story, but...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 01, 2013 05:04 PM (XYSwB)

10 So basically they are all ok with the state punishing businesses that don't tow the political line.

It's getting harder and harder to not straight up call them fucking communists.

Posted by: Mr Pink at May 01, 2013 05:04 PM (3z3WL)

11 >>>London is England's city and perennially elects a leftwing mayor.

Umm...Ace, I get the point you're trying to make here but "perennially" is just about the worst possible word you could have chosen given the fact that the current Mayor of London is a Conservative, Boris Johnson (former editor of The Spectator), who wasn't just elected, but comfortably re-elected as well.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 01, 2013 05:05 PM (/Rmj0)

12 Damn, my Hamilton sock fell off!

Posted by: garrett at May 01, 2013 05:05 PM (CZcCU)

13 The nearby large town used to have two papers, a liberal/democratic morning paper, and a conservative/republican leaning evening paper. The two papers were both bought out by a large newspaper chain which then shut down the evening paper leaving on the leftish morning rag. After a bit they had to cut back from broadsheet to tabloid to save money. Now it's circling the bowl and cutting back to 3 days a week, the same as our local community paper. Nobody want to read their shit any more.

Karma is a bitch.

Posted by: toby928 at May 01, 2013 05:05 PM (evdj2)

14 I thought it was only Maryland and Virginia that ceded land that became the District of Columbia?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 01, 2013 05:05 PM (1zr4/)

15 What we do know is that great papers publish credible, trusted journalism online and on the printed page. Whoever comes to own these mastheads needs to understand that [ protecting newsrooms from ideological taint is no small thing.

Someone has been asleep at the switch.

Posted by: fluffy at May 01, 2013 05:05 PM (tYU+x)

16 California? That place can't fall into the Pacific fast enough.

You don't mind if my house stops being underwater, so I can sell it and get out first, please?

Posted by: John P. Squibob at May 01, 2013 05:05 PM (5VPVl)

17 "Natural market forces" demand subservience to the customer. Or you go bankrupt.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 01, 2013 05:06 PM (GFM2b)

18 No one would be complaining if it was Al Jazeera buying them up

Posted by: loneduck at May 01, 2013 05:06 PM (trhwS)

19 "freedom to ignore the preferences of their readership"

And how's that working out for you? LOLZeee!

Posted by: Dang at May 01, 2013 05:06 PM (R18D0)

20 >>>Whoever comes to own these mastheads needs to understand that protecting newsrooms from ideological taint is no small thing.

F* you. The LA Times has been rubbing their "ideological taint" in my face for years. It's too late to make a claim to the moral ascendency of objectivity, that masthead was abandoned and collapsed before I was even born.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at May 01, 2013 05:06 PM (0q2P7)

21 Wow. I'm thinking the idiots may actually make Koch Industries go through with the purchase!

Posted by: ParisPaBooooosh at May 01, 2013 05:06 PM (D3dp1)

22
...protecting newsrooms from ideological taint

I would disagree and say that I'm pretty positive that there is a lot of taint going on in these newsrooms.

Posted by: Cheri at May 01, 2013 05:07 PM (G+Wff)

23 “I don’t want to see Los Angeles, the second-largest city and the
biggest region in the nation, not to have a quality newspaper.”


That ship has sailed my friend.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at May 01, 2013 05:07 PM (oBhEo)

24 I just wish someone would nail these bastards down as to what they mean by "harsh right-wing" and follow up with specific examples that apply to the Koch bothers.


Posted by: RoyalOil at May 01, 2013 05:07 PM (VjL9S)

25 10 So basically they are all ok with the state punishing businesses that don't tow the political line. "

Sorry To reply to my own fucking comment like a douche but how many fucking instances is it of this now? Of leftists in America using the state to hurt businesses that may in some small way use their free speech or money in ways the left doesn't like?

Chik Fila.....the NRA....the Koch brothers...rush Limbaugh...

These people are fucking communists.

Posted by: Mr Pink at May 01, 2013 05:07 PM (3z3WL)

26 California - Boning its citizens since 1850.

Posted by: Z as in Jersey at May 01, 2013 05:07 PM (Fvc1x)

27 Speaking of despicable libs:

Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 5m
Numerous LGBT activists sign statement supporting selection of Bradley Manning as Grand Marshall for @SFPride parade http://t.co/vOccfSUgSI

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 01, 2013 05:07 PM (piMMO)

28 If the Koch's wait two years, I'll be able to fund it...

...from my change jar.

Posted by: @PurpAv at May 01, 2013 05:08 PM (/gHaE)

29 (Note that both Paris and London are a bit different than the US, because both are sort of... city-states, in a way. That is, the distinction between "Paris" and "France" or "London" and "England" is slimmer one than the difference, say, between "Los Angeles" and "America." In France and England, the newspapers of the First City are de facto "national" newspapers in a way that no newspaper in the US is a de facto "national" newspaper.)*


The odd man out is the Wallstreet Journal. It's an "international" paper, but also a national one of scale.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 01, 2013 05:08 PM (XYSwB)

30 Unpeople do not deserve to have their opinions aired as those opinions are, necessarily, odious.


What's fascinating about this is that those advocating such actions are, in practical effect, demanding that those selling the papers violate their fiduciary duties to shareholders and bond holders. If such demands are followed, the trustee or board members or the like would leave themselves wide open to suit for those actions.


Just spit balling here but there is at least a vague possibility of a tortious interference with contract claim. Do I think that would go anywhere? Nope. Do I think discovery would be fun? Yup.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at May 01, 2013 05:08 PM (VtjlW)

31 What we do know is that great papers publish credible, trusted journalism online and on the printed page.


Hahahahaha. Yeah.

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at May 01, 2013 05:08 PM (GrtrJ)

32 If the Cock Brothers buy the LA Times I will refuse any and all offers of employment. No matter how much they beg. My brilliance and integrity will remain within my blog.

Posted by: Meg Lanker - Simons at May 01, 2013 05:08 PM (q4QfH)

33 The demoncrats have been punishing sensible people for years. They own the media and news orgs and Holly weird, and they use those to demonize, otherize and scorn us at all times. So now they come right out and say "We are going to punish the Koch people for being rich and voting republican." It's just more of the same old same old, only now they have no fear of retribution. I really wish we had a way to punish the left for this crap, but the sad fact is, they are winning and will keep winning as long as they own the media and Holly weird.

Posted by: madamemayhem at May 01, 2013 05:09 PM (S2RnE)

34 Nice post.

Posted by: rdbrewer at May 01, 2013 05:09 PM (Iyg03)

35 The Left instinctively knows the only thing that props them up is the Media/Hollywood. That's why they still can't get over Fox News.

When the flak is heavy, you are over the target.

The VRWC needs to start buying up more media outlets.

Posted by: McAdams at May 01, 2013 05:09 PM (IZjA3)

36 But as someone mentioned yesterday, if there is no bias in the media, why all the fuss?

Posted by: dogfish at May 01, 2013 05:09 PM (nsOJa)

37
What's a Newspaper?

Posted by: TheTruth at May 01, 2013 05:09 PM (iHeMr)

38 Right from the get-go, it sees that these actions would be illegal.

Are they trying to make it such as hassle that the Kochs will just say the hell with it?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 01, 2013 05:09 PM (piMMO)

39 Also, there have only actually BEEN two elected Mayors of London -- the city didn't elect its top official until 2000 (!). The odious Ken Livingstone won in 2000 and 2004, and then Johnson stunned the country by winning in 2008 and being reelected in 2012.

Posted by: Jeff B. at May 01, 2013 05:09 PM (/Rmj0)

40 is Greg Gutfield a moron

Posted by: thunderb at May 01, 2013 05:09 PM (nH8jP)

41 When do we expect an answer?

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 01, 2013 05:01 PM (UypUQ)

^^^^
Seriously, is there some kind of deadline or time-frame in which we will know who the buyer will be?

I like countdown clocks.

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 01, 2013 05:09 PM (UypUQ)

42 This is nothing but protection of a particular ideology's power base. There is no "natural" reason that a media must be left-leaning, but leftists are goddamned determined that it remain so.

This is how hollywood operates as well.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 01, 2013 05:10 PM (XYSwB)

43 The future of American journalism depends on the ability to print truth, not opinion.
-
That sounded better in the original Russian.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 01, 2013 05:10 PM (YgotP)

44 PS if I haven't said it lately, I hate lefties, Democrats and their bullshit nanny-state censorship. Fuck them all.

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at May 01, 2013 05:10 PM (GrtrJ)

45
I just wish someone would nail these bastards down as to what they mean
by "harsh right-wing" and follow up with specific examples that apply to
the Koch bothers.

Posted by: RoyalOil


They didn't support Obama!!! At all!

Posted by: Dang at May 01, 2013 05:11 PM (R18D0)

46 The left loves to goose step...

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 01, 2013 05:11 PM (uhftQ)

47 Does anyone have Al Jazeera's number? Now there's a credible newspaper buyer.

Posted by: Liberty Lover at May 01, 2013 05:11 PM (encrR)

48 >>>Three [states]?

I don't do geography.

Posted by: ace at May 01, 2013 05:11 PM (LCRYB)

49
is Greg Gutfield a moron

Posted by: thunderb at May 01, 2013 05:09 PM (nH8jP)

What happened? Did he repeat something very similar said at this place? I've noticed him say stuff very familiar to AoSHQ readers before.

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 01, 2013 05:11 PM (UypUQ)

50 Why can't Kochs just start their own competitor?
How hard is it to build up a money-losing newspaper business?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 01, 2013 05:11 PM (ZPrif)

51 I still don't think it's gonna happen, Eli Broad is going to come in and overpay.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at May 01, 2013 05:12 PM (oBhEo)

52 apples and oranges: The big Euro countries all have 3 to 5 national newspapers, and these have considerable influence


We have the New York Sh*tstain, which is neither national or influential ( among the 99 % )

Posted by: living in the Sequester World at May 01, 2013 05:12 PM (Dll6b)

53 Or AlextheChick, Gaylord Focker issues an Executive Directive creating the Media Reinvestment and Services Administration [MRSA].

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 01, 2013 05:12 PM (1zr4/)

54 "The future of American journalism depends on the ability to print truth, not opinion."

Wow. Just wow.

The self-parody. It burns.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 01, 2013 05:12 PM (gqT4g)

55 "What we do know is that great papers publish credible, trusted journalism online and on the printed page..."

So what's your problem, Guilders? The LA Times the Koch's are considering salvaging isn't a great paper. You all should be relieved they aren't going for the primo stuff... like, say, the Greensheets.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 01, 2013 05:12 PM (eHIJJ)

56 It straddles Maryland, Virginia, and Northeast Virginia (one of the bonus seven states).

Posted by: ace at May 01, 2013 05:13 PM (LCRYB)

57 How hard is it to build up a money-losing newspaper business?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe


First, ya gotta find a shitload of ugly-ass writers...

Posted by: Dang at May 01, 2013 05:13 PM (R18D0)

58 Btw did the LA times endorse any republican in 2008 or 2012?

Posted by: Mr Pink at May 01, 2013 05:13 PM (3z3WL)

59 Let me spiff that up a little for them:

Recently you’ve seen many petitions asking that the Koch brothers not only liberals be allowed to buy the Tribune Company’s newspapers.

We understand why the Kochs liberals breed this distrust. They are active political proponents of harsh right-wing fucked up, un-American, far-left socialist positions. We’re also not certain that Tribune will listen to consider anything but money and power when the final decision is made.

What we do know is that great papers Pravda and the National Enquirer publish credible, trusted journalism online and on the printed page.

Whoever comes to own these mastheads the LA Times on the other hand needs to understand that protecting newsrooms their biased, agenda-driven hackery from ideological taint is no small thing.

The future of American journalism the Democratic Party depends on the ability to print propaganda, not truth, not opinion.

Posted by: Blacksheep at May 01, 2013 05:13 PM (8/DeP)

60 and then Johnson stunned the country by winning in 2008 and being reelected in 2012.

Johnson, who I'd been a kinda fan of previously due to his crazed antics and manner of delivery, went full libtard after becoming mayor.

He's been a profound disappointment as mayor

Posted by: @PurpAv at May 01, 2013 05:13 PM (/gHaE)

61 protecting newsrooms from THE WRONG ideological taint is no small thing

There you go.

Posted by: irright at May 01, 2013 05:13 PM (dt38j)

62 I don't do geography.


Posted by: ace at May 01, 2013 05:11 PM (LCRYB)


Third State..... Delusion? Isanity? Atlantis?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 01, 2013 05:13 PM (lZBBB)

63 “I don’t want to see Los Angeles, the second-largest city and the
biggest region in the nation, not to have a quality newspaper.”



I'm sure there's one in spanish.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 01, 2013 05:14 PM (XYSwB)

64 56 It straddles Maryland, Virginia, and Northeast Virginia (one of the bonus seven states).
Posted by: ace at May 01, 2013 05:13 PM (LCRYB)

I live in Northern VA, and you are right it's pretty much its own state.

Posted by: Mr Pink at May 01, 2013 05:14 PM (3z3WL)

65 In my perfect definition of Hell, liberal journalists would be forced to actually live under the conditions that they seemingly advocate, highly controlled press, restricted freedoms, high taxation, state sponsored housing and food rationing, maybe even throw in arranged marriages for good measure. They should have to have every syllable that they write or utter be approved by an authoritative committee whose whims will change every week.


Posted by: navybrat at May 01, 2013 05:15 PM (2ZO++)

66
Councilman Eric Garcetti, who is the current front-runner for Los Angeles' next mayor, signed off on the LA version of this extortion.




Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 01, 2013 05:15 PM (kdS6q)

67 most English cities have a 'council' system, where there are lotsa city council members and a mayor who's appointed or has little power ( or both )

Posted by: living in the Sequester World at May 01, 2013 05:15 PM (Dll6b)

68 54 "The future of American journalism depends on the ability to print truth, not opinion."

Wow. Just wow.

The self-parody. It burns.


Posted by: torquewrench at May 01, 2013 05:12 PM (gqT4g)


And please.... do not uncover that picture.... self reflection is so... odious...

Posted by: Dorian Grey, Journalist LA Times at May 01, 2013 05:15 PM (lZBBB)

69 You notice one never hears about harsh left-wing positions? I assume that means that infanticide, union violence, and government takeovers are mainstream.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 01, 2013 05:16 PM (YgotP)

70 Ignoring those market forces has worked wonders for the newspaper business.

Posted by: ejo at May 01, 2013 05:16 PM (GXvSO)

71
The good part is they keep lowering the price of the eventual sale, money that would go to other libs. So win.


Although I would like to see it totally shut down.

Posted by: Michael Moore at May 01, 2013 05:17 PM (jKWYf)

72 Liberals know they own the media and they're not going to let it go, along with their fiction that only they, the committed leftists, keep it 'impartial.'

Posted by: zsasz at May 01, 2013 05:17 PM (MMC8r)

73 Daay'um! That is not the same Matt Welch that Nick Gillespie hired.

We now have documented proof of a 'reverse Johnson'.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at May 01, 2013 05:18 PM (epxV4)

74
The big Euro countries all have 3 to 5 national newspapers,

compare populations of any euro country to the US

they be just one US state or so

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 01, 2013 05:18 PM (XYSwB)

75 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 01, 2013 05:18 PM (/PCJa)

76 That Tommy Carcetti, he was a Good White Mayor of Ballmur

Posted by: living in the Sequester World at May 01, 2013 05:18 PM (Dll6b)

77 Who care about CA? The Mehicans have taken over that state anyway. Do numerous flyovers and dump leaflets urging illegals to storm the capital.

It's going to happen one way or another anyway.

Posted by: Soona at May 01, 2013 05:18 PM (usafZ)

78 Is the third state DC straddles sorta like CAC's 11th dimension?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 01, 2013 05:18 PM (GEICT)

79 California is boned for the same reason America is boned. Pathetic, ineffectual Republican politicians and a party that would just as soon cede territory as fight for it.

And California should be used to getting bitch-slapped by the courts, the BS is even too much for the 9th Circus.

And the supermajority of cocksucking leftists is trying to out-do New York on gun control (which will be shut down by the courts, AGAIN, but possibly too late to save anyone).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at May 01, 2013 05:18 PM (qyfb5)

80 un, Germany 80 million, France and the UK 60 million

Posted by: living in the Sequester World at May 01, 2013 05:19 PM (Dll6b)

81 Correct if I'm wrong, but isn't the LA Times the paper that has "The Tape"?

Could all this histrionics be because they're afraid of it coming out?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 01, 2013 05:20 PM (GEICT)

82 There has been a lot of discussion about how DC is District 12. I find this fascinating because one of the criticisms of the Hunger Games is that the actual political system of Panem is undeveloped. If anything, that makes the comparisons between DC and District 12 more apt because in both it's all about keeping power and keeping those in the hinterlands out of power, no matter what.

I have a feeling that the current denizens of the MFM would have no problem whatsoever running the same footage over and over again in order to prop up the Dems. Hell, the opposite is already the case. Outside of the History channels, when is the last time you saw footage of the Towers falling?


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at May 01, 2013 05:20 PM (VtjlW)

83 Is this punishment in addition to the normal punishment any CA business gets?

Posted by: Up With People! at May 01, 2013 05:21 PM (FmFB3)

84 What makes them think that the Koch's will need an investment firm to buy the times? My understanding is that these boys are RICH with a capital R and could probably find enough change in the seat cushions to buy 5 of the LA Times.......

Posted by: DanInMN at May 01, 2013 05:21 PM (XqeyF)

85

Democrats are actually floating the idea of withdrawing pension investments ...


BWA ..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The CA State Pension system is essentially broke. The Floaters (of this idea) have about 15 minutes to do it. Then the pension disbursements will devour the rest.

Their threat is meaningless ... alternatively, it will force layoffs at the LAT before the K's take over.

I laugh yet again.

Posted by: Arbalest at May 01, 2013 05:21 PM (ElBPx)

86 specifically the new claims flowing from the left that newspapers are naturally and inevitably left-leaning (with the unstated suggestion that any deviation from this situation would be aberrant, immoral, and Just Plain Wrong).

They don't believe that, and even to pretend that we believe that they believe that is stupid.

They know that their only power is in keeping the Right silent. If Conservative thought can be relegated toa small number of "fringe" sites (like FoxNews, or the blogosphere, or whatever), then the MFM can pretend to "represent" the majority opinion. Thus, people who are more conservative will think they are in the minority (nationally, if not locally). If Conservative thought became widely circulated, and people could encounter it on a regular basis, they would stop believing the MFM to be heralds of majority thought- thus more quickly killing the MFM. Also thus quickly killing the Democrat party, as people began to get real information.

And neither of those things can be allowed to happen.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 01, 2013 05:21 PM (/PCJa)

87 And California should be used to getting bitch-slapped by the courts, the BS is even too much for the 9th Circus."

OH really? What if they just said the Koch brothers could buy the paper but they would be taxed X amount of dollars....do you really figure Roberts wouldn't rule that Constitutional?

You are not cynical enough.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at May 01, 2013 05:22 PM (o5R8U)

88 In the United Kingdom and France, the major newspapers are actually national newspapers rather than being primarily focused on a particular metro area and only secondarily about national/world news. With a population of 60 million from which to find customers, it's been possible for there to be several national newspapers on the Right and several national newspapers on the Left despite the changing economics of the newspaper industry.

This model hasn't really appeared in the United States (with the notable exceptions of USA Today, and the Wall Street Journal being a business newspaper able to serve the entire country), and I don't think there's public appetite for another newspaper that doesn't cater to local concerns. However, it might be possible for wealthy investors like the Koch brothers to restore some measure of profitability to existing newspapers by creating a national chain, where the newspapers they purchase share a common pool of reporters on national and foreign news but each continue to focus on news in their metro area and state.

Posted by: DKCZ at May 01, 2013 05:22 PM (9/bcB)

89 Correct if I'm wrong, but isn't the LA Times the paper that has "The Tape"?

Could all this histrionics be because they're afraid of it coming out?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 01, 2013 05:20 PM (GEICT)



There is no way that tape still exists. None.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at May 01, 2013 05:22 PM (VtjlW)

90 There has been a lot of discussion about how DC is District 12.

Do you mean DC is supposed to the Teh Capitol?

Posted by: EC at May 01, 2013 05:22 PM (doBIb)

91 OT: my googling returned a link to an article on MediaMatters where it appears they're trying to dig up dirt on 2 of the lawyers for the Benghazi witnesses, Victoria Toensing and Joseph diGenova. The liberal media machine is like the Borg, a force of destruction with a singular mind and purpose.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 01, 2013 05:23 PM (9eDbm)

92 Using public money in order to reward politically connected companies, and to punish enemies has a name.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 01, 2013 05:23 PM (YgotP)

93 There is no way that tape still exists. None.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at May 01, 2013 05:22 PM (VtjlW)




I bet it does. Someone always wants insurance/get-out-of-jail-free-card. Always.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 01, 2013 05:23 PM (GEICT)

94 Ok...please forgive me in advance for what I am about to say.


I just got a call from the African American Educational Voters Registration concerning the upcoming mayoral election in Los Angeles. The caller, a female, starts reading a script to me about one if the candidates, Wendy Gruehl, and how she has three points to focus on if she should win. Naturally she wants to focus on public safety, education and fixing our broken government. She asks me if I will support Wendy Gruehl on Election Day and I say no. Then she immediately launches in to how Wendy Gruehl worked with Mayor Bradley and he was an advocate for education and highly educated himself. I ask the caller why she mentioned Tom Bradley...is it because he was black? I tell her I only support candidates who believe, support and defend the U.S. Constitution. She starts sputtering and asking me why I mentioned skin color. I told her she threw Tom Bradley's name out there first. I asked her if Wendy Gruehl supported Richard Riordan of any other mayor. She had no response. Then she launched into how Maxine Waters supports Wendy Gruehl, at which point I told her I didn't like or support Maxine Waters and I don't vote based on skin color. Then I hung up on her.


I am sooooo tired of these people!

Posted by: I Be That Chick at May 01, 2013 05:23 PM (53qPJ)

95 There has been a lot of discussion about how DC is District 12.

Do you mean Capitol? Because District 12 is where Katniss is from (that, or she's from 11, and 12 is the one that supposedly got nuked in the rebellion, can't remember for sure off the top of my head).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 01, 2013 05:24 PM (/PCJa)

96
There is no way that tape still exists. None.







Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at May 01, 2013 05:22 PM (VtjlW)



If only we'd had a covert moron at the Times.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 01, 2013 05:24 PM (lVPtV)

97 Do you mean Capitol? Because District 12 is where Katniss is from (that,
or she's from 11, and 12 is the one that supposedly got nuked in the
rebellion, can't remember for sure off the top of my head).



I think that's what she meant.

Posted by: EC at May 01, 2013 05:24 PM (doBIb)

98 Moved out of Cali about 25 years ago and was punished for not filing a tax return the year AFTER I moved. Since I had not filed, they estimated what they thought I had made and put a lien on my credit report, which prevented me from buying a house until I filed a tax form in Cali for that year stating that I didn't live there. "Lien released, filed in error" was a sweet entry on my credit report.

Posted by: Up With People! at May 01, 2013 05:25 PM (FmFB3)

99
At this point, the tape doesn't matter, he has been re-elected and he could perform a gosnell in the rose garden and more than 50% wouldn't give a damn.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 01, 2013 05:25 PM (jKWYf)

100 Wow. Even Beckel is getting on the Benghazi train.

Great comment from Gutfeld: "Benghazi gets a shrug, gay athlete gets a hug."


Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 01, 2013 05:25 PM (lVPtV)

101 If they buy the paper, the Koch's should hire Sarah Palin to run it. That would be fun.

Posted by: irright at May 01, 2013 05:26 PM (dt38j)

102 Wow. Even Beckel is getting on the Benghazi train.


Beckel is still a piece of shit. Low-hanging fruit gets no credit from me.

Posted by: EC at May 01, 2013 05:26 PM (doBIb)

103 What were the readers going to do about it? Go without a newspaper?



So, liberal editors and the unions destroyed most of the big city newspapers. And their best guess is "what are they going to do, go without.



Yes, they will. If it wasn't for Carlos Slim the NYT would have already gone bankrupt. And it is still losing and will need another bailout.

Posted by: Vic at May 01, 2013 05:26 PM (53z96)

104 Newspapers. Have not read one ina decade. I suppose I've read the articles from various newspapers posted on the internet but have not picked up a physical newspaper in a decade. I don't see how they survive other than the Sunday edition when the coupon collectors pick up a couple.

Posted by: polynikes at May 01, 2013 05:26 PM (m2CN7)

105 Posted by: DKCZ at May 01, 2013 05:22 PM (9/bcB)


roger that. U.S. papers were became marginal by the 70s. Without their former classified revenue, they're all headed into the toilet

Posted by: living in the Sequester World at May 01, 2013 05:26 PM (Dll6b)

106 Why do they have to buy the damn thing? Can't they just buy some presses and start printing a new paper? Call it L.A. Gazette or Daily Angelian or something. Let the old paper just die.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at May 01, 2013 05:26 PM (UU0OF)

107 creating a national chain, where the newspapers they purchase share a common pool of reporters on national and foreign news but each continue to focus on news in their metro area and state.


Posted by: DKCZ at May 01, 2013 05:22 PM (9/bcB)


What a great idea.... maybe we could call the National pool somthing like... the Associated Press!

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 01, 2013 05:27 PM (lZBBB)

108 They are Mastodons who are about to find themselves frozen in a glacier with fresh buttercups in their crop.

Or flies trapped in amber. I'll go with flies. There's no reason to slander the noble Mastadon by comparing them to the MSM.

Posted by: pep at May 01, 2013 05:27 PM (6TB1Z)

109 99

At this point, the tape doesn't matter, he has been re-elected and
he could perform a gosnell in the rose garden and more than 50% wouldn't
give a damn.




Sadly, this^^^.


Barry could invite Bill Ayers to set off the fireworks at the Fourth of July celebration, "accidentally" killing a cop or secret service agent, and the MFM would yawn.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 01, 2013 05:27 PM (lVPtV)

110 Beckel is still a piece of shit. Low-hanging fruit gets no credit from me.

***

He went a bit further than low-hanging fruit.

He suggested a moratorium on all new muslim student visas.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 01, 2013 05:27 PM (piMMO)

111 Oh and the other reason. Its the Houston Chronicle.

Also I've heard that if the NY Times did away with their crossword puzzle they would lose 50% of their subscribers.

Posted by: polynikes at May 01, 2013 05:27 PM (m2CN7)

112 Why do they have to buy the damn thing? Can't they just buy some presses
and start printing a new paper? Call it L.A. Gazette or Daily Angelian
or something. Let the old paper just die.


I'm assuming that most of the infrastructure and business network contacts stuff is already in place, and they don't have to build one from the ground up.

Posted by: EC at May 01, 2013 05:27 PM (doBIb)

113 As for CA, the LAT will go bankrupt if somebody doesn't buy it.

Posted by: Vic at May 01, 2013 05:27 PM (53z96)

114
Part of the problem is that newspapers have in a sense no longer need readers.

Take my paper, the infamous post-disgrace.
My wife and I used to buy it once a week.
what'd we do? We'd pull out the coupons and chuck the rest in the recycle bin (or occasionally the BBQ pit supply box. Because paper is a necessary thing to start fires with localizers.)

That's it. Maybe every so often I'd read an article of local import (like them wanting to build a new stadium.) but even then that was exceedingly rare (less so now that the wife and I have begun watching local news again.)
I know many other people around this town that do pretty much exactly the same thing (sometimes they'll read the sports section.)
So papers (in a sense) seem partially immune from market forces in that regard. (The PD claims something like a Million person circulation, I'd suspect it's actual readership is more around 300k or less.)

Posted by: tsrblke at May 01, 2013 05:28 PM (GaqMa)

115 He suggested a moratorium on all new muslim student visas.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 01, 2013 05:27 PM (piMMO)


I vaguely remember someone else suggesting that back in late 2001.

Posted by: EC at May 01, 2013 05:28 PM (doBIb)

116 rather, reporters at the Chronicle demand it be left-of-center

Reporters can't demand shit. Now that they're credentialed professionals, they're interchangeable commodities like oil filters. But owners and "newsmakers" can and do demand, and the major (for its market) media we have is shaped by those demands.

If you don't lick the right (left) ass, the entire bureaucracy (the police chief most importantly) won't let their people talk to yours. Then what? Serious Journalism means writing in service to the state--and nothing else. Is anybody getting a Pulitzer for spotting Weiner's dick-shadow? No. It doesn't serve. You only get a prize for a story that generates law or otherwise makes a "newsmaker"'s career.

Anyway, regardless, if you're a modern credentialed-pro journalist, you don't know the first thing about how to find out shit for yourself and construct stories about it. You only know how to paraphrase press releases and "a source" calls from people who'll destroy you if you don't satisfy them. You're stuck.

We all are, with this. This is how everybody involved wants it, and it is not fixable (except by meteor).

Posted by: oblig. at May 01, 2013 05:28 PM (cePv8)

117 If only we'd had a covert moron at the Times.

Would that be a covron? Or perhaps a morvert?

Posted by: pep at May 01, 2013 05:28 PM (6TB1Z)

118 "We’re also not certain that Tribune will listen to anything but money when the final decision is made."[/]

So, then, Guilders, pass the hat around.

What, you're not gonna go all Hostess Bakers on us, now?

Posted by: BuddyPC at May 01, 2013 05:29 PM (jfUIE)

119
Sister toldjah calls the Fat Bastard Rino out on his lies on twitter.

http://tinyurl.com/c8u5bp4

Posted by: maddogg at May 01, 2013 05:29 PM (OlN4e)

120 Beckel is still a piece of shit. Low-hanging fruit gets no credit from me.


Posted by: EC at May 01, 2013 05:26 PM (doBIb)



Beckel seems to be softening his stances on a number of things. It will be interesting if he ever goes full-on conservative. He'll need bodyguards.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 01, 2013 05:29 PM (lVPtV)

121 Do you mean DC is supposed to the Teh Capitol?
Posted by: EC at May 01, 2013 05:22 PM (doBIb)



Shit, yes, The Capitol. *pours coffee down throat*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at May 01, 2013 05:29 PM (VtjlW)

122 @110 that's a bit extreme. Maybe he's trying to bait his conservative peers into agreeing with that? More reasonable would be a moratorium on visas from countries known to be friendly to terrorist groups.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 01, 2013 05:29 PM (9eDbm)

123 I thought the sellers of the LA Times were being threatened not the financiers of the deal.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 01, 2013 05:29 PM (4cRnj)

124 Why do they have to buy the damn thing? Can't they just buy some presses and start printing a new paper? Call it L.A. Gazette or Daily Angelian or something. Let the old paper just die.
---
My guess is that the current string of ad salesmen at the LA Times already have a solid and reliable route in which to sell ads.

Posted by: Up With People! at May 01, 2013 05:29 PM (FmFB3)

125 Shit, yes, The Capitol. *pours coffee down throat*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at May 01, 2013 05:29 PM (VtjlW)



*grabs bottle of brandy*


Where's willow??? AtC needs her tea...and she needs it spiked.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 01, 2013 05:30 PM (GEICT)

126 We have two newspapers delivered daily, the local rag and the WSJ. The WSJ is the best subscription I've ever had. Just a big, genuine newspaper, especially the weekend edition. It has some Lefty tendencies, but by and large it's intelligent and readable. The local rag subscription exists solely for the sports page and the occasional local ads that come in handy.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 01, 2013 05:30 PM (ZshNr)

127 the Asshole Press is just a scattered group of 'stringers' who read the local rags and send anything 'interesting' to the national office.


they don't 'report' ; they relay...

Posted by: living in the Sequester World at May 01, 2013 05:30 PM (Dll6b)

128 Answer: Rope and Lamp-posts, Alex.

Jeopardy Question for $1000: How do we save the Republic?

Posted by: LGoPs at May 01, 2013 05:31 PM (4x8W0)

129 Would that be a covron? Or perhaps a morvert?


Posted by: pep at May 01, 2013 05:28 PM (6TB1Z


Imonna go with "covron" because "morvert" sounds Harry Reid-ish.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 01, 2013 05:31 PM (lVPtV)

130 if you're a modern credentialed-pro journalist, you don't know the first
thing about how to find out s*** for yourself and construct stories
about it. You only know how to paraphrase press releases and "a source"
calls from people who'll destroy you if you don't satisfy them. You're
stuck.


Gee, this sounds familiar.

Posted by: Tony Soprano at May 01, 2013 05:31 PM (6TB1Z)

131 60- "He's been a profound disappointment as mayor."

Posted by: @PurpAv at May 01, 2013 05:13 PM (/gHaE)
------------------------
Still better than Livingstone.
But this is what we conservatives are so often reduced to: awful, but still better than ___.
*sigh*

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 01, 2013 05:32 PM (C8mVl)

132 Posted by: tsrblke at May 01, 2013 05:28 PM (GaqMa)


4 days ago, there was a murder ONE block from my house... middle of the day... with a MACHETE....

I drove past the cops on the call.... and just found out yesterday by word of mouth sort of what happened...

THIS is what local papers are for.... but we don't take the local paper anymore because it ticked off even my semi liberal Mom...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 01, 2013 05:32 PM (lZBBB)

133
who knew the california pension fund had money to invest

Posted by: kj at May 01, 2013 05:32 PM (7IE/u)

134
Heh, I was wrong.
The Disgrace only claims 300k sunday circulation and 178k daily.

So the 178k is probably closer to actual readership. (Although given that they were recently offering daily delivery for cheaper than sunday only, that may even be a bit high.
Consider by the way that the Metropolitan area of St. Louis is roughly 2.5ish million people.
So less than 10% get the paper daily and only about 10-15% on sundays.

Posted by: tsrblke at May 01, 2013 05:32 PM (GaqMa)

135 Shit, yes, The Capitol. *pours coffee down throat*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at May 01, 2013 05:29 PM (VtjlW)


Well DC is already the Capitol in our world too. Jus' sayin'.

Posted by: EC at May 01, 2013 05:32 PM (doBIb)

136 What pulls my chain is the local twice a week rag used to be pretty conservative here. It got bought out by Knight-Rider and went immediately to flaming liberal Democrat PR machine.


I dropped it like a hot potato and told them why.

Posted by: Vic at May 01, 2013 05:32 PM (53z96)

137 I don't think the Koch brothers are the right wing ideologues they are made out to be. They are just not left-wingers, and so must be demonized.

Posted by: zmdavid at May 01, 2013 05:33 PM (Vdfe0)

138 Mr Pink,
if it involves coercion, that pretty much means communism, don't it? Fucking commie bastards.

Posted by: fastfreefall at May 01, 2013 05:33 PM (MPEti)

139 Joseph Stalin would have loved living in California. Obviously that state has been occupied by a leftist regime that will stop at nothing.

Posted by: rpalt at May 01, 2013 05:33 PM (U/Ao5)

140 *proffers the plate of brownies to AlextheChick*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 01, 2013 05:33 PM (1zr4/)

141 Would this be a violation of the First Amendment? Seems like it.

Posted by: Y-not at May 01, 2013 05:33 PM (5H6zj)

142
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 01, 2013 05:32 PM (lZBBB)

Meh, like I said local TV news. Local radio news. Grape vine.

Hell, there are how many freaken crimes per day in north STLcity? They aren't in the paper, they aren't on the news, even a paper couldn't cover them all.

Posted by: tsrblke at May 01, 2013 05:34 PM (GaqMa)

143 Thank you, Anna

*noms*


I don't think the Koch brothers are the right wing ideologues they are made out to be. They are just not left-wingers, and so must be demonized.
Posted by: zmdavid at May 01, 2013 05:33 PM (Vdfe0)



Roger L. Simon has noted that the Koch brothers do not give a shit about social issues and at least one of them is vocally pro gay marriage. Given their support of Reason, it's reasonable to conclude they are pro drug legalization. It's just that they made their money the icky way, via fossil fuels and the like, and not the Correct Way via finance and entertainment.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at May 01, 2013 05:36 PM (VtjlW)

144 How can we reach full dissemination of facts with the likes of Koch bros running around buying newspapers ?

Posted by: Ministry of Truth at May 01, 2013 05:37 PM (WR5xI)

145 What is left to say about these people? Every lie they tell is now contradicted by the words from their own mouths.


There is no longer any point in considering their input as anything other than the mental health equivalent of drinking raw sewage.

Posted by: jc at May 01, 2013 05:37 PM (PlzOe)

146 Read 1984 for the first time last night (got a 2 am wrong number and was wide awake).

Extremely disturbing how familiar it sounded

Posted by: Ragamuffin at May 01, 2013 05:37 PM (fzFF6)

147 But, George Soros? He's all good.

What a bunch of fuckers liberals are. True, unadulterated fuckers.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 01, 2013 05:37 PM (xmcEQ)

148 What a great idea.... maybe we could call the National pool somthing like... the Associated Press!

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 01, 2013 05:27 PM (lZBBB)
I assume you're being sarcastic, but as I'm sure you know the Associated Press and the other wire services generally share the media's prevailing liberal bias. The idea of creating a conservative chain of newspapers would be for them to be able to run stories on national and foreign news written by conservative reporters employed by the chain rather than having to rely on the existing wire services. If the Koch brothers intend to buy the LA Times, Chicago Tribune, and several other substantial newspapers, then why not use this opportunity to create a new business model in an industry that's currently imploding?

Posted by: DKCZ at May 01, 2013 05:37 PM (9/bcB)

149 Would this be a violation of the First Amendment? Seems like it.
Posted by: Y-not at May 01, 2013 05:33 PM (5H6zj)


----------------------------------------


Sounds like a tax to me.

Posted by: Misjustice Roberts at May 01, 2013 05:38 PM (usafZ)

150 Just hangin' out. Too tired to do anything but read what you folks are saying.

Posted by: teej at May 01, 2013 05:39 PM (GX2fm)

151 If Newsweek can sell for $1, maybe they should hold out for a better price.

(Insert clip of Dan Aykroyd and Eddie Murphy snapping a bill and saying ONE DOLLAR!)

Posted by: AE at May 01, 2013 05:39 PM (HYceo)

152 Well, damn. The Five is covering the Pentagon and their wacky anti-Christian advisor.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 01, 2013 05:41 PM (lVPtV)

153 If the Market enjoys Leftist propaganda bukakke, why are the Minipravdas (and aspiring Minitrus) so unprofitable and going bankrupt?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 01, 2013 05:42 PM (WxO5p)

154 >This is nothing but protection of a particular ideology's power base.<

Hence their reaction to a potential loss thereof. They know there is a fair amount of influence that newspapers (and their websites) still project. This affect is more prominent with people who use their publications as a primary new source.

But I believe there is also another angle. These newspapers have become extensions of the political arena. They hide, demur, camouflage, print halve-truths or outright lie about political policy they support. You may even see the occasional feigned indignation as a means of arousing readers to their cause. In today's close voting demographic, it still makes a difference. It's enough to swing a small but important part of the vote. It also continually poisons the well against any potential good Republicans do. It creates distrust and suspicion- two very destructive forces.

Posted by: Marcus at May 01, 2013 05:43 PM (0aQMV)

155 If you want to control the narrative, get control of the Associate Press wire. Most papers just act as stenographers for whatever pis put there.

Posted by: toby928 at May 01, 2013 05:43 PM (evdj2)

156 By the way, Merry Communist Christmas, tea baggers.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 01, 2013 05:44 PM (WxO5p)

157 106 Why do they have to buy the damn thing? Can't they just buy some presses and start printing a new paper? Call it L.A. Gazette or Daily Angelian or something. Let the old paper just die.

----------------------------

There's already a distribution network in place for it, as well as a base of confirmed subscribers (though some of the latter would no doubt immediately cancel their subscriptions). That sort of stuff is expensive and time-consuming to build up.

Posted by: junior at May 01, 2013 05:44 PM (sHIXY)

158 Would you sell the LA Times good sirrah for $1 or for 1 O-buck? Decide quickly! This is a limited time offer. Buy now and we will throw in the Boston Globe for free! Not even charge extra processing fees.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 01, 2013 05:44 PM (1zr4/)

159 Or flies trapped in amber. I'll go with flies. There's no reason to slander the noble Mastadon by comparing them to the MSM.

Fuck you, Pal.

Posted by: shit-eating fly at May 01, 2013 05:45 PM (tYU+x)

160 Oh and the other reason. Its the Houston Chronicle.

The Daily Comical is indeed an unqualified piece of shit. It's also around 60% the size it used to be so hopefully that means they're going broke.

Posted by: Blacksheep at May 01, 2013 05:45 PM (8/DeP)

161 There's already a distribution network in place for it, as well as a base of confirmed subscribers (though some of the latter would no doubt immediately cancel their subscriptions). That sort of stuff is expensive and time-consuming to build up.
Posted by: junior at May 01, 2013 05:44 PM (sHIXY)



I noted the other day that the Koch's don't want the brand, they want the tangible property, including the presses, the trucks and the subscriber list. The name just so happens to come along with it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at May 01, 2013 05:47 PM (VtjlW)

162

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 01, 2013 05:42 PM (WxO5p)
Craig's List, along with other internet sites that undermine newspaper's revenue from classified ads. Also, to a lesser extent, competition from other news sources. Keep in mind that these liberal newspapers were able to prosper as profitable monopolies for decades. In the absence of competition, the damage caused by bias to their bottom line was sharply limited.

Posted by: DKCZ at May 01, 2013 05:47 PM (9/bcB)

163 153
If the Market enjoys Leftist propaganda bukakke, why are the Minipravdas
(and aspiring Minitrus) so unprofitable and going bankrupt?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 01, 2013 05:42 PM (WxO5p)

====
In the words of Breitbart: "It's not your business model that sucks. It's you that sucks!"

Posted by: jc at May 01, 2013 05:47 PM (PlzOe)

164 I noted the other day that the Koch's don't want the brand, they want the tangible property, including the presses, the trucks and the subscriber list. The name just so happens to come along with it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at May 01, 2013 05:47 PM (VtjlW)



So the name is a bug, not a feature?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 01, 2013 05:48 PM (GEICT)

165 So the name is a bug, not a feature?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at May 01, 2013 05:48 PM (GEICT)



I would be interested to see an actual analysis of the good will value of the "LA Times" brand itself. It does have value, no doubt, but I bet the personal property value far, far outstrips that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at May 01, 2013 05:49 PM (VtjlW)

166 Well, damn. The Five is covering the Pentagon and their wacky anti-Christian advisor.




Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 01, 2013 05:41 PM (lVPtV)


The only "news" organization that's reporting actual news.

How quaint.

Posted by: © Sponge at May 01, 2013 05:49 PM (xmcEQ)

167 They should rename it The Suck It Gazette.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 01, 2013 05:49 PM (ZshNr)

168 Our forefathers never anticipated the invention of air conditioning. That one unforseen event started the downfall of the country by making Washington, DC a habitable place.

I long for the days when a town had both a Daily Republican and a Times Democrat newspaper, one delivered early in the morning and the other in the afternoon.

Posted by: jerry's kid at May 01, 2013 05:50 PM (NdlUr)

169 t straddles Maryland, Virginia, and Northeast Virginia (one of the bonus seven states).

NoVa is outside the grits zone.

Posted by: DaveA at May 01, 2013 05:51 PM (DL2i+)

170 I don't think the investors will reject the Koch's. People that are part of the operations and reporters are having their say at the moment. In the end, people want jobs and investors want to get paid.

The very people who are opining that selling to the Koch brothers will destroy the paper, have actually already destroyed the brand by running a second rate propaganda mill...and they dont even see the itrony.

Posted by: Marcus at May 01, 2013 05:51 PM (0aQMV)

171 OT - 3rd suspect ID'd

Robel Phillipos, a 19-year old Cambridge, Massachusetts resident, was charged with lying to federal agents in connection with an investigation into the Boston Marathon bombings.

Posted by: RWC at May 01, 2013 05:51 PM (fWAjv)

172 How to make the idiots of the LA Times scream even louder? The Koch brothers announce they are turning the building into a homeless shelter.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 01, 2013 05:52 PM (1zr4/)

173 I long for the days when a town had both a Daily Republican and a Times Democrat newspaper, one delivered early in the morning and the other in the afternoon.
Posted by: jerry's kid at May 01, 2013 05:50 PM (NdlUr)

We had that in Milwaukee, Communist Journal and the Communist light Sentinal.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 01, 2013 05:52 PM (XIxXP)

174 @161 I noted the other day that the Koch's don't want the brand, they want the tangible property, including the presses, the trucks and the subscriber list. The name just so happens to come along with it.
----------------------------

Yup. Though the name would retain a certain amount of value, particularly with LIV. And if the Koch brothers did manage to expunge most of the liberal taint, the people who read it a couple of decades ago would be more likely to resubscribe to it than to some brand new rag that they'd never heard of.

But the name is still probably the least valuable part of any deal for the paper. It's probably telling that the only one of Tribune's papers that the other possible bidders are interested in is the Times, with its (sort of) national subscriber base.

Posted by: junior at May 01, 2013 05:53 PM (sHIXY)

175 1 California? That place can't fall into the Pacific fast enough.
----
The San Andreas Inlet will be a welcome change.

Posted by: Up With People! at May 01, 2013 05:53 PM (FmFB3)

176 When your clientele reads English at a 4th grade level and Spanish at a 5th grade level, the product is gonna suck.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 01, 2013 05:54 PM (4cRnj)

177 In the absence of competition, the damage caused by bias to their bottom line was sharply limited.


Posted by: DKCZ at May 01, 2013 05:47 PM (9/bcB)

===
But their bias kept getting more and more pronounced until it was completely naked. So, this uncontrolled experiment is not likely to have a linear result.

Posted by: jc at May 01, 2013 05:54 PM (PlzOe)

178
LOL at you guys who still call them "liberals"

WTF you might as well call them the 99% if you're letting them redefine English.

Posted by: El Guapo at May 01, 2013 05:55 PM (2iGYB)

179
What's fascinating about this is that those advocating such actions are, in practical effect, demanding that those selling the papers violate their fiduciary duties to shareholders and bond holders. If such demands are followed, the trustee or board members or the like would leave themselves wide open to suit for those actions.


Just spit balling here but there is at least a vague possibility of a tortious interference with contract claim. Do I think that would go anywhere? Nope. Do I think discovery would be fun? Yup.


Well, if the returns on the pension investments go down, wouldn't such a suit have to go somewhere?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 01, 2013 05:56 PM (+z4pE)

180 Later, all.

God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 01, 2013 05:56 PM (WxO5p)

181 How to make the idiots of the LA Times scream even louder? The Koch brothers announce they are turning the building into a homeless shelter.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 01, 2013 05:52 PM (1zr4/)



Nice.

Or, one of those places where girls can go to have their baby -- versus PP.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 01, 2013 05:56 PM (XYSwB)

182 "We have to destroy free speech in order to save it."

You know, the government is becoming more Orwellian than even Orwell imagined.

So... I propose a thread Sometime In the Future that features all of the doublespeak that's happening in the world right now.

The first entry is above in quotes.

Posted by: shibumi at May 01, 2013 05:57 PM (z63Tr)

183 Later, all.

God bless. :-)



same.
time to watch today's soccer game that's going to suck...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 01, 2013 05:58 PM (XYSwB)

184 What the Koch brothers should do is offer free abortions on-site if the purchase goes through. Problem solved.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 01, 2013 05:58 PM (4cRnj)

185 Don't know California geography well.
If the big one happens will Visalia go under water?

Posted by: teej at May 01, 2013 05:58 PM (h1gQR)

186 >177
In the absence of competition, the damage caused by bias to their bottom line was sharply limited.<

That may have slowed the decline. But there are enough outside sources on the internet today that will lead a large portion of their readership to leave or at least demote them to a secondary read.

In today's economic environment a small change in readers/subscribers makes all the difference in the world. They will attract less advertisers and that makes the difference between profit and loss. It's not even a question of smaller operating margins.

Posted by: Marcus at May 01, 2013 05:59 PM (0aQMV)

187 The funny part is the reporter AT the Times were on Twitter threatening to quit if the Koch brothers bought it, thus saving the Koch brother from being liable for 99 weeks of unemployment benefits from the eventual firing without cause loophole.

Posted by: Up With People! at May 01, 2013 05:59 PM (FmFB3)

188
So, liberal editors and the unions destroyed most of the big city
newspapers. And their best guess is "what are they going to do, go
without.










It's not the first time that unions have destroyed the LA Times.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Times_bombing

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 01, 2013 05:59 PM (TIIx5)

189 From what I have seen CA will only break away from the continental U.S. and become an island. No sinking.

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at May 01, 2013 05:59 PM (uhftQ)

190
You have to admire the Left's commitment to The Cause.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 01, 2013 05:59 PM (E1X66)

191 Nick Gillespie writes at Reason, “If you’re interested in complicating dumb media narratives and blowing the minds of some of your leftard friends, here’s a spirited posting at Reddit by someone with the handle epistemicfail:”

The KOCH brothers must be stopped. They gave $40K to Scott Walker, the MAX allowed by state law. That’s small potatoes compared to the $100+ million they give to other organizations. These organizations will terrify you. If the anti-union thing weren’t enough, here are bigger and better reasons to stop the evil Kochs. They are trying to:

decriminalize drugs,
legalize gay marriage,
repeal the Patriot Act,
end the police state,
cut defense spending.

Posted by: steevy at May 01, 2013 05:59 PM (9XBK2)

192 "If you want to control the narrative, get control of the Associate Press wire."

There's a whole lot of leftist spew coming from the AP.

Seth Borenstein of AP is one of the most reliable stenographers for the global warming freakout crowd. Nary a hint of skepticism about their claims from him, no matter how wildly exaggerated or how at variance with measured realities.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 01, 2013 05:59 PM (gqT4g)

193 Tilikum I think they a movie of that - Escape from LA.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 01, 2013 06:00 PM (1zr4/)

194 They mustbe nervous, if someone actually started looking into whattheywere doingwith government/pension funds the rabble might get a little bit angry.

Posted by: t-dubyah-d at May 01, 2013 06:01 PM (u6lBN)

195 185 Don't know California geography well.
If the big one happens will Visalia go under water?

Posted by: teej at May 01, 2013 05:58 PM (h1gQR)


The Western half of the fault is going North, not West or down. Over the course of millions of years.

So, pretty much the entire mythology of the Great Coast Rearrangement is just butt-ass wrong.

I think in about 20 million years, South Bay will be Alaska's problem.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at May 01, 2013 06:02 PM (qyfb5)

196 In 20 million years Alaskan polar bears will have to deal with illegal immigrant cockroaches demanding rights?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 01, 2013 06:04 PM (1zr4/)

197 Did someone say taint? I just had mine waxed.

Posted by: Barry O at May 01, 2013 06:04 PM (SzAZ7)

198 Does the LA Times still print an English-language edition?

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 01, 2013 06:05 PM (ZshNr)

199 Also, it's not all of CA, it's basically a slice from the middle of the Southern border to the bay area.

A company I used to work for would go on and on about how our data center was vulnerable to earthquakes - we were so far out of the zone it wasn't even funny. Never had a serious earthquake here in recorded history.

But from New York, California is all one big beach with earthquakes.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at May 01, 2013 06:06 PM (qyfb5)

200
Don't know California geography well.

If the big one happens will Visalia go under water?



Posted by: teej at May 01, 2013 05:58 PM (h1gQR)







Doubtful. Visalia is well over 100 miles from the fault, with the coastal mountains holding at the fault as well.

Funny though, if you superimpose the SA Fault on a political map of my beloved Clownifornia, The Big One will almost turn the state into Texas.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 01, 2013 06:07 PM (TIIx5)

201 So I guess the best I can hope for is all the buildings falling, fires, famine, pestilence and the like.
Once again, my dreams are crushed.

Posted by: teej at May 01, 2013 06:07 PM (L7JQT)

202
Does the LA Times still print an English-language edition?

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 01, 2013 06:05 PM (ZshNr)







Yeah. They've been cutting the page size so much that you can damn near cover the front page with an Archie comic book.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 01, 2013 06:10 PM (TIIx5)

203 Re Benghazi again, this spec ops guy on Fox watched everything happening in real time.

While Barry slept and Hillary drank.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 01, 2013 06:11 PM (lVPtV)

204
You have to admire the Left's commitment to The Cause.


Adhere to Leftardism, you're a hero.

Adhere to Constitutional America, not so much.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 01, 2013 06:11 PM (+z4pE)

205 Yeah. They've been cutting the page size so much that you can damn near cover the front page with an Archie comic book.

Is that so the readers can maintain some respectability?

Posted by: fluffy at May 01, 2013 06:12 PM (tYU+x)

206 "Every hill is the hill to die on" - MSM

Posted by: Craig Poe at May 01, 2013 06:12 PM (BVkEs)

207 Another suck-ass day in Amerika.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 01, 2013 06:12 PM (lVPtV)

208 See wingnuts, it's all good.

---

The 'Terrorista#1' license plate adorning a BMW driven by friends of the surviving Boston Marathon bombing suspect is a joke about hard partying and does not imply a thirst for jihad, their lawyer has claimed.
-----

Also dismisses LeadFoot's constant mention of 'this is da bomb.'

You know, the lingo these kids use these days.

Posted by: RWC at May 01, 2013 06:12 PM (fWAjv)

209 so market forces dictate the military is more to the right than the nation seems to be...same thing and I am sure madam moonbat there is okay with it?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 01, 2013 06:13 PM (LRFds)

210 But their bias kept getting more and more
pronounced until it was completely naked. So, this uncontrolled
experiment is not likely to have a linear result.

Posted by: jc at May 01, 2013 05:54 PM (PlzOe)
In a hypothetical world without the internet or cable news (or talk radio), nakedly partisan left-wing newspapers enjoying monopoly power over their metro areas, aided by the unanimous support of television news, would have been able to maintain profitability indefinitely. In large metro areas, it's been possible for a conservative alternative newspaper to survive as a niche competitor, but they weren't able to do any serious harm to the main, left-wing newspaper regardless of increasing bias (e.g. the New York Post and the Washington Times versus the New York Times and the Washington Post).

Posted by: DKCZ at May 01, 2013 06:13 PM (9/bcB)

211 Well, time to plug this thing in, and fix up the hot water bottle for the lower. Nothing big. All day leaning over a scissor lift at weird angles caulking around big louver thingys. Kinda hard on an old back.
Later.

Posted by: teej at May 01, 2013 06:14 PM (tWrwm)

212
The 'Terrorista#1' license plate adorning a BMW driven by friends of the surviving Boston Marathon bombing suspect is a joke about hard partying and does not imply a thirst for jihad, their lawyer has claimed.

Sooo, "Terrorista#1" = "PartyAnimal" ?

I'm about to have another Curmudgeon episode.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 01, 2013 06:16 PM (+z4pE)

213 The Los Angeles city's pension situation is much like the rest of the state, woefully underfunded. This is their one shot at blaming the investment company.

Posted by: BigFire at May 01, 2013 06:16 PM (LSx3v)

214 Ain't no party like a Kazakh party, cuz a Kazakh party don't stop...

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 01, 2013 06:18 PM (ZshNr)

215 >>>protecting newsrooms from ideological taint is no small thing

The taint is a big thing? Vast expanses of taint are threatening the newsrooms!

Posted by: wooga at May 01, 2013 06:18 PM (Sq+6U)

216 WTF?

http://shameproject.com/profile/megan-mcardle/

Posted by: vivi at May 01, 2013 06:18 PM (m2oDh)

217 Either Rush or Beck said something profound yesterday. One of them said that even Noam Chompski said the Dear Leader and the left are going too far in trying to change this country.

Posted by: Misjustice Roberts at May 01, 2013 06:18 PM (usafZ)

218 Taint no big thing!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 01, 2013 06:19 PM (+z4pE)

219 Vast expanses of taint are threatening the newsrooms!

Kathy Griffin and Michael Moore are in the building?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 01, 2013 06:19 PM (1zr4/)

220 Ace,

A great example of this occurred in Dallas and proves your thesis explicitly.

Once upon a time, there were two newspapers in Dallas, TX:

The Dallas Morning News - the conservative paper

The Dallas Times Herald - the leftard paper

During the 90's, the Dallas Times Herald simply lost the competition. The free market had finally spoken and the Times Herald was dying.

If I remember correctly, at some point right before the Times Herald went belly-up, the Dallas Morning News bought them out.

The next day, and I mean the very next day, the DMN published a big front page column on how since they were now the only Dallas paper, they needed to be "a paper for all the citizens of Dallas"
and went full hard left.

Even the people who'd been writing conservatively switched to the lockstep libtard line. Over. Night.

Libtard views invaded every single column from the movie reviews to the sports page to the food page. Over. Night.

It was really amazing. Photos of Republicans suddenly/consistently made them look retarded or evil. The Dims all looked like statesmen. Over. Night.

The Dallas Morning News by working the conservative model won the free market battle, but their victory allowed them to go full-libtard because they no longer had to compete for (the winning) market share.

That was the start of their long slow slide to irrelevancy as a paper. Culminating in a scandal where they gave away papers(I received free papers for at least two years despite telling them repeatedly that I didn't want their damn paper) and lied in general about circulation numbers to keep up ad revenues.

They can't complete their self-extinction soon enough.

Posted by: Staff at May 01, 2013 06:20 PM (vJ+mj)

221 Chompski = Chomske (?) Perhaps I'm getting a person and one of AtC's pets mixed up.

Posted by: Misjustice Roberts at May 01, 2013 06:20 PM (usafZ)

222
Yeah. They've been cutting the page size so much that you can damn near cover the front page with an Archie comic book.



Is that so the readers can maintain some respectability?

Posted by: fluffy at May 01, 2013 06:12 PM (tYU+x)







Heh.

Not quite though. You'd still have some overlap. I'm thinking that Big'Uns magazine.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 01, 2013 06:21 PM (TIIx5)

223 It's FIVE states: Maryland; Virginia; Inebriation; Penury; and Disrepute.

Posted by: andycanuck at May 01, 2013 06:21 PM (mGBy8)

224 Off, off, damned sock!

Posted by: Soona at May 01, 2013 06:22 PM (usafZ)

225 I went to a Los Angeles Times “accountability journalism” panel at the LA Times Book Festival a few weekends ago.

I told my girlfriend I wanted to go to hear them brag about themselves (research for my novel). She thought it was going to be about them holding themselves accountable.

“No, there is no way it’s about holding themselves accountable—they don’t even see the need for it.”

I got the look that says you’re being too cynical.

After the panel: “I really thought it was going to be about the press holding itself accountable.”

Posted by: New York Times at May 01, 2013 06:22 PM (QF8uk)

226 Sock off.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 01, 2013 06:22 PM (QF8uk)

227 Seems TPTB in the Pentagon and DOD are trying real hard to create a moral equivalence between Islamic terrorism and Christianity, while at the same time avoiding all mention of Islam or jihad where terrorism is concerned.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 01, 2013 06:22 PM (9eDbm)

228 Oh and Game of Thrones so far this season, WINNING.

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at May 01, 2013 06:25 PM (9eDbm)

229 210
But their bias kept getting more and more

pronounced until it was completely naked. So, this uncontrolled

experiment is not likely to have a linear result.



Posted by: jc at May 01, 2013 05:54 PM (PlzOe)
In a hypothetical
world without the internet or cable news (or talk radio), nakedly
partisan left-wing newspapers enjoying monopoly power over their metro
areas, aided by the unanimous support of television news, would have
been able to maintain profitability indefinitely. In large metro areas,
it's been possible for a conservative alternative newspaper to survive
as a niche competitor, but they weren't able to do any serious harm to
the main, left-wing newspaper regardless of increasing bias (e.g. the
New York Post and the Washington Times versus the New York Times and the
Washington Post).


Posted by: DKCZ at May 01, 2013 06:13 PM (9/bcB)

===
I quit buying because of bias. I'm not alone, and I doubt I am 3 sigma from the mean. This is a product people can do without. You miss Dilbert for a couple weeks and then it doesn't matter anymore. If anything is truly important, some one will tell you.
The benefits of no longer buying their shit include:
-- not paying someone to act like an ass.-- not starting every day with someone deliberately trying to piss you off (which means you spend a lot less time pissed off).-- not having your opinions about topics where you don't actually see the bias shaped by a bullshit artist.
People figure these things out and they stop buying. Not everybody, and certainly not everyone at once - but it happens.

Posted by: jc at May 01, 2013 06:25 PM (PlzOe)

230 Wow, fuckers are just pissing all over themselves at the idea that they might loose their choke hold on public information.

Eat shit and die you sorry fucks!!!!

Posted by: Portnoy at May 01, 2013 06:27 PM (A5Abh)

231 Seems TPTB in the Pentagon and DOD are trying real hard to create a moral equivalence between Islamic terrorism and Christianity, while at the same time avoiding all mention of Islam or jihad where terrorism is concerned.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 01, 2013 06:22 PM (9eDbm)


---------------------------------------


Through the education process and entertainment, the left knows it has moral relativism in the bag in this country. The only logical "next step" is religious relativism. They've been doing this since 9/11. Bush certainly helped.

Posted by: Soona at May 01, 2013 06:27 PM (usafZ)

232 natural free-market forces compel a newspaper to be liberal,


What? I thought newspapers were liberal because Reality has a Liberal Bias?

Posted by: Brendan at May 01, 2013 06:30 PM (2jQGY)

233 You miss Dilbert for a couple weeks and then it doesn't matter anymore.Posted by: jc at May 01, 2013 06:25 PM (PlzOe)
Just go to the web page.
http://www.dilbert.com/

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at May 01, 2013 06:30 PM (i8bnm)

234 For those following this afternoon's thread:

http://tinyurl.com/cs7zytw

Posted by: KSB at May 01, 2013 06:31 PM (Hw82u)

235 yeah I stopped subscribing to the paper here several years ago. When they call I go into a long screed about how if I want to read NY Times articles I can read them the day they are written on the website instead of waiting 3 days for the Seattle Times to print them and that since they decimated their local news coverage there is absolutely nothing of value in the paper for me anymore. Serves them right for calling me.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 01, 2013 06:33 PM (RZ8pf)

236 Not to mention the time one of the Seattle Times people came to my door and asked me to subscribe again and when I told him no rather politely he proceeded to berate me for not caring for people in my community because a bunch of people that worked for the Times would lose their jobs if I didn't subscribe. Went off rather colorfully on him after that. He fled from my door with his ears scorched by my righteous indignation.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 01, 2013 06:35 PM (RZ8pf)

237 Also dismisses LeadFoot's constant mention of 'this is da bomb.'

You know, the lingo these kids use these days.
Posted by: RWC at May 01, 2013 06:12 PM (fWAjv)
--------------------------------------------------------
Lovable scamps! I could just tussle their hair!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 01, 2013 06:36 PM (jucos)

238 213
The Los Angeles city's pension situation is much like the rest of the
state, woefully underfunded. This is their one shot at blaming the
investment company.
-------------

Funny that you should use the word 'shot'. The California teachers union pension funds were invested in the (nasty) venture capital firm that owned Bushmaster. Of course the unions were happy because they were making good money. After Sandy Hook, they quickly adopted the Pilate-like position of 'Who, me?' and dumped the investment. The points being that A. They are hypocrites of the first order, and B. The teachers are the ones who profited from Sandy Hook, not the NRA.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 01, 2013 06:36 PM (aDwsi)

239 Meanwhile, we have had George Soros buying up (state) Secretaries of State in order to cheat on elections, yet libs get upset when conservatives want to buy a newspaper?

Posted by: Baldy at May 01, 2013 06:37 PM (tyDFN)

240 Wow PGiS what a sense of entitlement that idiot had. That you just had to buy the paper to support him.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 01, 2013 06:37 PM (1zr4/)

241 I see Drew dismisses the Pentagon article at Breitbart as "freaking out" in the sidebar.

The Five covered it and didn't treat it as a freak out.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 01, 2013 06:37 PM (lVPtV)

242 Fuck these bastards sideways with a rusty tractor!



They need some right wing control of News Media. It is currently nothing but a communist enabler and training ground, and it's long past time we took active steps to wipe them out.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at May 01, 2013 06:39 PM (bb5+k)

243 Nood

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at May 01, 2013 06:43 PM (+z4pE)

244 236 He fled from my door with his ears scorched by my righteous
indignation.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle
----------------

Power company was planning a peak-demand generator locally. A hippy asshole (with his ~10-year-old daughter in tow) rang my doorbell wanting to give me a piece of greenie literature opposing the plant. I felt badly about his daughter having to witness what happened next, but it was his choice. I berated the guy for being so presumptuous as to disturb me, and then asked what provision HE was going to make to protect me from brown-outs. "Uh, uh...., well can I just leave this litereature?" "No", says I, ".. and you can get off of my property, now[/]."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 01, 2013 06:43 PM (aDwsi)

245

here's the chorus, you give me the awesome opening lyrics...

I just wanna use your love toooni-ight
I don't wanna lose your love toooni-iight


Posted by: soothsayer at May 01, 2013 06:44 PM (E7Qlq)

246 Crap. malfunction.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 01, 2013 06:44 PM (aDwsi)

247 Oh and Game of Thrones so far this season, WINNING.
Posted by: Charlie Sheen at May 01, 2013 06:25 PM (9eDbm)

------

Sorry...Ragnar Lothbrok kicks Lord Starks nordic ass.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 01, 2013 06:44 PM (IrLKP)

248 241 Jane D'oh,

at a minimum there is disparate enforcement...

Hasan was using his couch to try to recruit Jihadi Jim from PTSD laden troops...

*crickets* a bunch of Airmen get the Academy nuked... we burn bibles but don't you dare touch a koran...

yeah...they keep it up they can fo it without my sons or grandsons.

Vote with your feet.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at May 01, 2013 06:45 PM (LRFds)

249 From a purely financial aspect this has to be one of the stupidest things any pension investor would ever do. Making investment decisions based on spite only hurts the fund owners. Do they have any clue what they are even saying?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at May 01, 2013 06:45 PM (9fQCF)

250 I see Drew dismisses the Pentagon article at Breitbart as "freaking out" in the sidebar. The Five covered it and didn't treat it as a freak out.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 01, 2013 06:37 PM (lVPtV)


----------------------------------------------


It's Drew. I expect nothing less from him.

Even having someone in the Pentegon that would even mention this as a "maybe it could happen" policy-wise is very disturbing.

Posted by: Soona at May 01, 2013 06:48 PM (usafZ)

251
High school newspapers/letters are dominated by ghey lefties. College newspapers/journals are populated by lefties. Conservative college newspapers/journals are excoriated. It is a natural progression for lefty journolistasfrom college to populate the country's remaining newspapers.
Also, the first target in warare the lines of communication.

Posted by: Let them burn at May 01, 2013 06:48 PM (r7C0T)

252 Sorry...Ragnar Lothbrok kicks Lord Starks nordic ass.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 01, 2013 06:44 PM
----

Word on the street is that Lothbrok didn't bring back enough loot to finance another season..., but that is just rumor.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 01, 2013 06:49 PM (aDwsi)

253 Ideological taint in our newsrooms... Barry has been busy I guess.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at May 01, 2013 06:54 PM (52n2x)

254 I hope they lose their jobs in righteous refusal to kowtow to the readership, and their capitalist overlords. That way they can enjoy the fruits of their labor for the last couple of decade in general, and the last two presidential election cycles in particular. Fuck em, and good riddance.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at May 01, 2013 06:59 PM (osdNx)

255 slimmer one than the difference, say, between "Los Angeles" and "America."

As opposed to the difference say between "Los Angeles" and "Mexico", which these days is basically zero.

Posted by: mongo78 at May 01, 2013 07:17 PM (2b46R)

256 "The future of American journalism depends on the ability to print truth, not opinion."

Given what they've been doing since at least late 2008, and possibly earlier, this is laughable on its face.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at May 01, 2013 07:17 PM (vd7A8)

257 The future of American journalism depends on the ability to print truth, not opinion.





So the MFM is going to change direction and start printing the truth and not their lefty views

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 01, 2013 07:19 PM (TgViA)

258 Leftism is a mental disorder, not an actual ideology. Once you accept that all the other dots connect themselves.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at May 01, 2013 07:26 PM (pmsMR)

259 I can't believe it took 200 posts toget a comment on idiologocal taint. My taint is the most liberal part of my body

Posted by: Chach at May 01, 2013 08:01 PM (aSsEe)

260 The Chronicle inflates its subscription numbers by giving papers to people free. It's actually quite difficult to convince the Chronicle to STOP delivering the paper to your yard.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at May 01, 2013 08:04 PM (dRfvl)

261 Heh, you said Koch

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at May 01, 2013 08:41 PM (bdged)

262 Your point about newspapers becoming uniform when there are fewer of them is well taken. But the opposite holds true, think: there are fewer newspapers as they become more uniform. After all, why buy two papers to read the same stuff twice over?

When I was growing up in Chicago, in the 1960s, there four papers: the conservative/jingoist Tribune (which called itself "The American Newspaper For Americans"); the tabloid Sun-Times, which were morning papers; and, in the afternoon, the liberal Daily News and the Hearst American. Each had its own style and point of view; most people subscribed to one paper, but quite a few would read multiple papers during the day: their different approaches to the news meant that each one offered the reader something that couldn't be found in the others. When the newspapers started sound more and more similar, there became less reason to read more than one; which, I think, helped to drive down overall newspaper readership.

One could ask why a city like Toronto, which is roughly half the size of Chicago, can support four daily newspapers, while Chicago can support only two (and both have gone through bankruptcy recently). Part of the reason, I think, is that while the Chicago papers are practically clones of each other (one is tabloid in format, the other isn't, but otherwise they're practically indistinguishable), Toronto is a little closer to the British journalistic style and offers readers a variety of points of view: the ultra-liberal "Red" Star, the mildly conservative National Post, the establishment-liberal Globe and Mail, and the tabloid Sun (complete with page-3 girl). Each offers readers something different, so readers have a reason to buy more than one.

Another point which I think is overlooked is the rush to journalistic
"objectivity", which occurred in the 1970s. Journalists stopped being
advocates; instead, they became "objective". The problem is that the
agreed-upon objectivity was inevitably liberal: what we had wasn't
objectivity in the true sense of disinterestedness, but consensus around
the liberal point of view, which was assumed to reflect objective
reality.

Posted by: Brown Line at May 01, 2013 09:12 PM (9ASR3)

263 "The future of American journalism depends on the ability to print truth, not opinion."

Agreed. Which is why "American journalism" is dead, having been replaced by a journalism-like propaganda product.

Posted by: Brown Line at May 01, 2013 09:17 PM (9ASR3)

264 That is, the distinction between "Paris" and "France" or "London" and
"England" is slimmer one than the difference, say, between "Los Angeles"
and "America."

No, no, no. Paris is very, very different from the rest of France, enough so that there is a saying, Paris is not France, and France is not Paris.

Posted by: wahhaw at May 01, 2013 09:49 PM (k8CqN)

265 gaddubb7
kfadsdgubby;Dad
----=dad







Posted by: Electric at May 01, 2013 10:39 PM (S+L7S)

266 @238 et seq: Who benefits from winnowing out good investments from these portfolios ? Sweetheart deals,maybe ? Another way to steal assets ?

Posted by: SamW at May 02, 2013 09:50 AM (5qZ2a)






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Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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