Marlboro Corporation to Begin Sellng E-Cigarette This June

The corporation is actually Altria; Marlboro is by far its top brand. As sales of actual cigarettes continue to slide, and e-cigarette sales grow, they're looking to enter the latter market.

Lorillard CEO Murray Kessler told analysts yesterday the company estimates that electronic cigarette sales displaced consumption of about 600 million cigarettes in the first quarter. That translates to an annual rate of about 2.4 billion cigarettes, accounting for about 1 percent of the U.S. market, according to Shea.

Altria hasn't ruled out simply buying out one of the exiting players in the market, like the companies that make the "Blu" e-cig.

The FDA is studying how to regulate the devices. Which I don't actually mind in theory; I don't want to buy a bottle full of poison. But "regulate" often means "use health pretexts to bother you and limit your choices."


Posted by: Ace at 10:48 AM



Comments

1 First?

Posted by: Country Singer at April 27, 2013 10:50 AM (WvcBR)

2 Well, hot damn!

Posted by: Country Singer at April 27, 2013 10:50 AM (WvcBR)

3 Dems write regulations for taxing e-cigs in 3...2....

Posted by: Country Singer at April 27, 2013 10:51 AM (WvcBR)

4 And now, I'm going to fix some brunch.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 27, 2013 10:52 AM (WvcBR)

5 As an Altria shareholder, I wholeheartedly applaud this move. Also, what took them so long!

Posted by: Memories at April 27, 2013 10:52 AM (rAW6X)

6 I went cold turkey over a month ago. Don't really miss it.

Posted by: Fritz at April 27, 2013 10:52 AM (UzPAd)

7 >>>I went cold turkey over a month ago. Don't really miss it.

congratulations. I really ought to do that. but I'm weak-willed.

Posted by: ace at April 27, 2013 10:54 AM (LCRYB)

8 Lights up a Marlboro light
What?

I like my vices like my women.....they are killing me slowly

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 27, 2013 10:56 AM (yMSN1)

9 Ace, how much is a pack up there?
It's 11 bucks in Waikiki but you can get two for $18 outside it

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 27, 2013 10:58 AM (yMSN1)

10 The e-cig was a big help to me when I was in Britain last year, since they won't let you smoke anywhere hardly.

I probably should use it more here. However, this will be a test of the nenny state's motives. If they can no longer club people with second-hand smoke, then they have no excuse except that they don't like it.

Posted by: Miss Marple at April 27, 2013 10:58 AM (GoIUi)

11
6I went cold turkey over a month ago. Don't really miss it.

Good on you. I need to get my ass in gear and quit too. 35 years of smoking this May is insane.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at April 27, 2013 10:59 AM (N8yYb)

12 Oh, sure sign your woman is preggers
She suddenly stops smoking

It's how I knew

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 27, 2013 11:00 AM (yMSN1)

13 I went cold turkey over a month ago. Don't really miss it.
Posted by: Fritz at April 27, 2013 10:52 AM (UzPAd)
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Cold turkey Jan 7, 2012. Hard at first but now I don't even think about it. So glad I quit.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 27, 2013 11:00 AM (jucos)

14 I wonder if some eCock would help me cut back...

Posted by: B. Toonces at April 27, 2013 11:00 AM (FcR7P)

15 I am looking forward to Progs trying to move forward with legalization of marijuana laws while trying to stop e-cigs, becuase when you are a Puritan, that is what you do.

Posted by: T. at April 27, 2013 11:01 AM (DoBsq)

16 Odd hipster trend i've noticed lately -- snus. I know several hipster new york types who've switched to snus recently. It's like the hipster version of dipping.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 27, 2013 11:01 AM (R+6Q+)

17 I used to smoke Marlboros, or as they call them down here "Cowboy Chokers". But after my heart attack I quit cold turkey. Glad I did because I sure as hell culd ot afford them at today's prices when I was smoking between 3 and 4 packs a day.

Posted by: Vic at April 27, 2013 11:01 AM (53z96)

18 E-cigs are banned in Utah locations similar to cigarettes. Now, we're pretty nutty/uptight about these sorts of things in Utah (for what are probably obvious reasons), but I gotta wonder if there's a lot of something bad in the vapor. Otherwise, can't see the reason behind it.

Posted by: Y-not at April 27, 2013 11:01 AM (5H6zj)

19 Good morning Ace

Posted by: chemjeff at April 27, 2013 11:02 AM (BBWjt)

20 Is Blu a good one? Which one tastes like a real Marlboro red? (yeah, I know, a Marlboro red! but other than that, which one do the knowledgeable here suggest?)

Posted by: and irresolute at April 27, 2013 11:02 AM (DBH1h)

21 The good news is the mob won't have to hijack whole tractor trailer trucks anymore to black market the product.

By "study" they mean -- how can we somehow beat the vastly easier transport and distribution aspects of this pernicious new technology that make taxing it dramatically harder than field grown product.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 27, 2013 11:02 AM (GJtYt)

22 I've seen kids out here who never smoked but do the ecigs to look cool

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 27, 2013 11:02 AM (yMSN1)

23 The FDA is studying how to regulate the devices.



Everyone knows my theory of regulations. They only effect honest people. The FDA regulated food and peanut butter but that didn't stop those crooks in North GA from killing a bunch of people with their unsanitary peanut butter.

Posted by: Vic at April 27, 2013 11:03 AM (53z96)

24 7 -

You CAN do it, but not with that kind of talk.

Goal setting doesn't vary much, regardless of what you are trying to accomplish. It starts with a specific objective, then lines out a specific set of tasks to be accomplished in a specific time frame.

Saying you "ought" to do something means you won't.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 27, 2013 11:05 AM (BeSEI)

25 Ace, how much is a pack up there?

It's 11 bucks in Waikiki but you can get two for $18 outside it

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 27, 2013 10:58 AM (yMSN1)

They run between 5 and 6 dollars a pack at the quik stop type stores here in SC.

Posted by: Vic at April 27, 2013 11:05 AM (53z96)

26 I figure I have saved between $5000 to $6000 dollars in the 15 months since I've quit.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 27, 2013 11:07 AM (jucos)

27 22 I've seen kids out here who never smoked but do the ecigs to look cool
Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 27, 2013 11:02 AM (yMSN1)

One of my boys came home from high school and told me he saw a girl using an ecig in his history class.
Since I don't wholly get how they work I wasn't quite sure what to say beyond it was probably inappropriate for that time and place.

Although the general consensus is that history teacher is a blooming idiot and boring to boot so...

Posted by: Ragamuffin at April 27, 2013 11:08 AM (fzFF6)

28 The FDA is studying how to regulate the devices.

How about a tax patch? The FDA's addiction to taxes from smokers isn't healthy.

Oh the other hand, George Jones could have written "He Kicked The Habit Today".

Posted by: t-bird at April 27, 2013 11:08 AM (FcR7P)

29 What the hell is an e-cig?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2013 11:09 AM (9Bj8R)

30 10 tips for addressing tobacco cravings (from the Mayo Clinic):

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nicotine-craving/SK00057

Good luck to those of you trying to quit. It can be really hard for some ppl. My dad quit cold turkey, but my mom never could.

Posted by: Y-not at April 27, 2013 11:09 AM (5H6zj)

31
I quit last winter when I developed a blood clot in my lung...the hospitalkept me sedated for 3 weeks while they worked on me. I came out a non-smoker...it was easy!...haven't smoked in over a year now after a 30 year habit.

Someone should package that as a quit smoking service

Posted by: CanaDave at April 27, 2013 11:10 AM (W006b)

32 Nevergiveup,

This:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/electronic-cigarettes/AN02025

Posted by: Y-not at April 27, 2013 11:10 AM (5H6zj)

33 Close to 10 bucks a pack here in NY, but I smoke small cigars, about 18 bucks a carton from the Indians.

Stopped drinking totally, no problem at all. Smoking will be next. I just cannot ignore the health risks any longer.

Posted by: Anthony L. at April 27, 2013 11:11 AM (bl6Iq)

34 $5 to $6 at the convenience store. $7 in vending machines at bars.

Not that I go to bars . . . not that often anyway . . . well, not TOO often . . . OK, OK, I go to bars


but I don't smoke. except the rare 1 cig after three beers

Posted by: Sphynx at April 27, 2013 11:11 AM (OZmbA)

35 in Texas

Posted by: Sphynx at April 27, 2013 11:12 AM (OZmbA)

36
Oh, nice. Will we be getting a review?

Posted by: Liberty Lover at April 27, 2013 11:12 AM (eQ4W/)

37 I loved the quit smoking strategy in the Fifth Element, with the cigarettes getting longer and longer filters & less and less tobacco.

Posted by: Y-not at April 27, 2013 11:12 AM (5H6zj)

38
Being past redemption, I don't imagine I will quit smoking.

Been known to smoke as much as a full pack per month, depending on the stress levels.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 27, 2013 11:12 AM (SAMxH)

39 Nevergiveup,

This:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/electronic-cigarettes/AN02025

Posted by: Y-not at April 27, 2013 11:10 AM (5H6zj)


OK thanks. And the point of these over regular cigs is?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2013 11:14 AM (9Bj8R)

40 One of my very best friends had a heart attack one week ago at the age of 50. He has smoked since he was 16. The doctors told him that if he continues smoking he won't see 51. He is now, at least, a reluctant non smoker. The doctors said this heart attack should have killed him and called him very lucky.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 27, 2013 11:14 AM (jucos)

41 Actually, I quite with Chantix. It's darned expensive, but so are cigarettes. I quit with the first batch and didn't need to buy the rest.When you begin, you can still smoke, so it takes the panic out of quitting told turkey. It suppresses your desire, so you really don't want to smoke.The one side effect I had is you do have the weirdest dreams. (Which may help with sci-fi plot lines?)

Posted by: Liberty Lover at April 27, 2013 11:16 AM (eQ4W/)

42 The doctors said this heart attack should have killed him and called him very lucky.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 27, 2013 11:14 AM (jucos)


I'm 58 and sometimes I wonder about that?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2013 11:17 AM (9Bj8R)

43 e-hookers...e-lap dancers...are they available yet?

Posted by: Albie Damned at April 27, 2013 11:17 AM (Yhu4q)

44 I haven't Googled it, but what are the health risks of smoking marijuana -- vis a vis lung cancer, heart disease, etc ?? Any??

My sister was arguing that pot actually fights cancer, if it's smoked. WTF?

Posted by: Sphynx at April 27, 2013 11:18 AM (OZmbA)

45 There's a saying when it comes to cigars. When someone asks how far down you should smoke a cigar (halfway, 2/3, all the way to the nub) the saying is, "Continue to smoke as long as you are enjoying the cigar."

I think the same can be said for the habit of smoking. If you enjoy it and find that the benefits outweight the risks, carry on. If you aren't enjoying it any more, maybe it is time to quit.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 27, 2013 11:18 AM (pxDth)

46 OK thanks. And the point of these over regular cigs is?
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I think they're supposed to have less carcinogenic effects. Similar to nicotine lozenge - delivering the nicotine w/out tar etc. But advantage is maintaining the "feel" of smoking a cigarette.

Don't know if they have a plan wherein the dosage of nicotine is gradually decreased to wean you off it.

Posted by: Y-not at April 27, 2013 11:19 AM (5H6zj)

47
Miss Marple:

Are you still on this thread? I've got a question for you that no other moron seems to know the answer to. It seems like it it falls right into your area of expertise.

I'll post it right away if you're still here.

Posted by: Ed Anger at April 27, 2013 11:19 AM (tOkJB)

48 43 e-hookers...e-lap dancers...are they available yet?

Posted by: Albie Damned at April 27, 2013 11:17 AM (Yhu4q)

Yet?

Posted by: Japanese Salaryman at April 27, 2013 11:19 AM (Wl/Ht)

49 e-hookers they have. It's called the internet.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 27, 2013 11:20 AM (R+6Q+)

50 I don't smoke so....but when they come for my coffee and donuts it's gonna be war

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2013 11:20 AM (9Bj8R)

51 nevergiveup

how big is that coffee?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 27, 2013 11:21 AM (GVxQo)

52 As a kid used to take my dad's tobacco pipe apart to get the tar/nicotine gunk out of the stem and then daub it on embedded ticks (on me) . Kills them right away and they release without a fuss.

Posted by: Sphynx at April 27, 2013 11:21 AM (OZmbA)

53 As someone who very much objects to being coated in irritants that burn painfully and smell bad, E-cigs are the greatest invention on earth. I don't mind anyone enjoying poison or improved mood and clarity of thought from nicotine, I just don't want do it with you or get pain from it.
The FDA shouldn't have any authority to mess with this drug delivery system except to make them tell you what's in it and how much.

Posted by: SarahW at April 27, 2013 11:21 AM (LYwCh)

54 Terrorist groups in the Northern Caucasus pose little immediate threat to the United States, harboring most of their ill will for Russia.

But some Islamist radicals there — especially in the province of Dagestan, where one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, spent half of last year — may be indoctrinating followers to take up a global struggle against the West, specialists told a congressional panel on Friday.

Actually my hunch: Putin is buying them off by telling them leave us Russians alone and you can do what you want with the West and being in a Russian sphere of influence they are kinda immune from attack.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2013 11:22 AM (9Bj8R)

55 how big is that coffee?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 27, 2013 11:21 AM (GVxQo)


Who are you, My Mayor?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2013 11:22 AM (9Bj8R)

56 nevergiveup

michelle has you on the donut watchlist....she's gonna make you "get up and move"

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 27, 2013 11:22 AM (GVxQo)

57 Up here in Canuckistan, we stopped growing our own tobacco cuz the commie Ontario gov't started paying the tobacco farmers to not grow it. They startedgetting it from g-d knows where and the quality is awful. If it had been like that when I started, I wouldn't have started.

That also helped me quit...now the gov't gets $6,000 a year less of my money, so they can suck it, those gov't bitchez....and even better, those self-righteous liberal assholes who promoted the idea of taxing the hell out of smokers have to make up for the tax shortfall or give up some gov't goodies, win-win!

Posted by: CanaDave at April 27, 2013 11:23 AM (W006b)

58 50 I don't smoke so....but when they come for my coffee and donuts it's gonna be war
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2013 11:20 AM (9Bj8R)

***

I'll bet somebody is working on an e-donut that can be printed on a 3D printer.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 27, 2013 11:23 AM (pxDth)

59
...about 2.4 billion cigarettes, accounting for about 1 percent of the U.S. market

Wait, we smoke 240,000,000,000 cigarettes a year in this country?

Posted by: soothsayer at April 27, 2013 11:24 AM (Fely/)

60 My sister was arguing that pot actually fights cancer, if it's smoked. WTF?

Smoking pot actually helps the ozone layer and saves the baby whales. I think it prevents terrorism, too.

Posted by: t-bird at April 27, 2013 11:24 AM (FcR7P)

61 I haven't Googled it, but what are the health risks of smoking marijuana -- vis a vis lung cancer, heart disease, etc ?? Any??
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Harder to do those studies b/c subjects who smoke pot usually smoke cigarettes, plus there's under-reporting of its usage. However, what I've seen marijuana contains many of same carcinogens, you smoke it by inhaling deeply into lungs (and holding), and its associated w/ a lot of other diseases including immunosuppression, testicular cancer, prostate cancer, cervical cancer, a type of brain tumor, and leukemia.

Posted by: Y-not at April 27, 2013 11:25 AM (5H6zj)

62 I haven't Googled it, but what are the health risks of smoking marijuana -- vis a vis lung cancer, heart disease, etc ?? Any??

My sister was arguing that pot actually fights cancer, if it's smoked. WTF?
Posted by: Sphynx at April 27, 2013 11:18 AM (OZmbA)
My understanding is that Pot is far less pure than cigarettes (with there filters and what not) so actually worse for your lungs.But that could be wrong and that could just be anti-drug people going nuts.I'd argue a chunk of the problem with cigarettes came when they starting toying with them to make them more effective nicotine delivery systems.I smoke the occasional pipe (occasional enough that I can't make it through 1 oz tobacco before it dries out) surprisingly light pipe smoking (I think up to 1/day) is not correlated with any statistical higher chances of anything (there's a minor higher chance of mouth cancer but it turns out not to be statistically significant. Also it can be largely erased by not drinking alcoholwhen you smoke a pipe.)A friend of mine used to joke "Pipe smokers actually live longer" (which is true apparently, until you correct for economic indicators. Pipe smokers tend to be more affluent than average Americans. Or at least they were before the hipsters started doing it.)

Posted by: tsrblke at April 27, 2013 11:26 AM (GaqMa)

63 I'll bet somebody is working on an e-donut that can be printed on a 3D printer.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 27, 2013 11:23
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Probably a hooker too.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2013 11:26 AM (aDwsi)

64 congratulations. I really ought to do that. but I'm weak-willed.
Posted by: ace at April 27, 2013 10:54 AM (LCRYB)

I used Nicorette gum for about 4 years. After a while I got sick of the expense. If the FDA regulates e-cigarettes the price will probably sky rocket 500%.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 27, 2013 11:26 AM (+wxCD)

65
Unfortunately the Committee has decreed that lawn work cannot be further put off, so I must reluctantly stop lurking/posting and implement the decision.

Plus which, sleeping inside is preferred.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 27, 2013 11:27 AM (SAMxH)

66 I can still smoke a dick, right?

Posted by: gergles at April 27, 2013 11:27 AM (i7B17)

67 You don't have to want to quit smoking, Ace (and you others). You basically have to come to the logical conclusion that it's time you quit.

It's easier that way. I really enjoyed smoking. Didn't wanna quit.. and wouldn't have if I knew I could escape the consequences. But I was waking up hacking in the morning.. even the kids were coughing from the second hand smoke - which we didn't know as much about back in the 70's/80's.

So, the wife and I decided it's time. It's a bitch for a month. But then it's like being free.

The hardest part is getting around the idea that you are no longer one of the "cool" people. All smokers look down on non-smokers in a weird sorta way. And when you quit, you look at friends who still smoke in a jealous kinda way.. weird.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 27, 2013 11:27 AM (UTq/I)

68 When the FDA analyzed samples of two popular brands, they found variable amounts of nicotine

They found nicotine in them? Well who woulda thunk? Sheesh.

Posted by: The Third Horseman Of The Apocalypse at April 27, 2013 11:28 AM (vbh31)

69 60 My sister was arguing that pot actually fights cancer, if it's smoked. WTF?

Smoking pot actually helps the ozone layer and saves the baby whales. I think it prevents terrorism, too.
Posted by: t-bird at April 27, 2013 11:24 AM (FcR7P)

There must have been one study where that happened or something. Chong was on Hannity saying that it cures cancer.

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2013 11:28 AM (Wl/Ht)

70 I can still smoke a dick, right?

You know it, sweetie.

Posted by: Reggie "love machine" Love at April 27, 2013 11:28 AM (xKC/c)

71 Crap. It's scrub-the-bathroom Saturday.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2013 11:28 AM (aDwsi)

72 I'm down to 1 or 2 cigs a day (unless I'm drinking, in which case I turn into a smokestack). 20 years ago I was 2-3 packs a day. On the other hand, I dip, so my jaw will probably rot off. Going in the garden this year is tobacco, I'm going to see if what I grow myself will be as good as what I'm paying for outrageously at the store.

Posted by: Country Singer at April 27, 2013 11:28 AM (WvcBR)

73 I smoked about 1/2 to 3/4 a pack a day from college through to when I was 28. One day shortly after my 28th b-day I decided to quit. Cold turkey. Just stopped smoking without any pills or programs or any of the other bullshit. It was hard for the first couple of weeks but nowhere near what people made it sound like.

It's all mind over matter. If you really want to quit, you'll quit.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 27, 2013 11:28 AM (HDgX3)

74

I just do not get why people would use these.

They are inhaling other "chemicals" as a result. And, from what I have read, you can get the same nicotine dose.

Does it cure the "second hand smoke" dilemma? The house (and clothes) drenched in smoke smell?

I would rather just smoke a joint. It's quickly becoming legal, which is irony on its best day.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2013 11:29 AM (XYSwB)

75 If you really want to quit...
-----------------

Yeah, well, that's the sticky bit of the equation.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2013 11:29 AM (aDwsi)

76 "But 'regulate' often means 'use health pretexts to bother you and limit your choices.'"

"Regulate" also often means "shakedown".

Line the right pockets with political contributions, or face an endless procession of pettifogging government actions over trivialities.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2013 11:30 AM (gqT4g)

77 59. In perspective not that bad
You should see the Italians
I've literally seen one smoke while brushing his teeth

The japs are even worse

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 27, 2013 11:30 AM (oR0vZ)

78 So long as they leave e-sex alone...

Posted by: sTevo at April 27, 2013 11:30 AM (L7std)

79 The doctors said this heart attack should have killed him and called him very lucky.Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 27, 2013 11:14 AM (jucos)


--- My oldest brother died of massive heart attach at age 51 and my next oldest brother died at age 64 but had his first heart attach at 51.
We thought it must be eating the wrong foods but it was the smoking.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 27, 2013 11:31 AM (R8hU8)

80 moo moo, you don't know what you are talking about. Different people have different physiology. Different people have varying levels of addiction.

Some people can actually do cocaine casually and not get addicted. Some get addicted almost immediately.

People are different. Different genes. Different biology.

In summary, your shit's all retarded and you don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 27, 2013 11:31 AM (R+6Q+)

81 77
59. In perspective not that bad

You should see the Italians

I've literally seen one smoke while brushing his teeth
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I used to smoke in the shower..., tricky, but doable.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2013 11:31 AM (aDwsi)

82 It's all mind over matter. If you really want to quit, you'll quit.

Why thank you for the sage advice!

Posted by: Low Information Voter at April 27, 2013 11:31 AM (vbh31)

83 I don't like the way pot makes me feel...it swells my middle ear and makes me puke.

Posted by: CanaDave at April 27, 2013 11:31 AM (W006b)

84 71 Crap. It's scrub-the-bathroom Saturday.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2013 11:28 AM (aDwsi)

*****

Dang- isit the 4th Saturday in April again already!?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 27, 2013 11:31 AM (pxDth)

85 63
I'll bet somebody is working on an e-donut that can be printed on a 3D printer.



Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 27, 2013 11:23
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Probably a hooker too.


Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2013 11:26 AM (aDwsi)

You're a few years too late, pal.

Posted by: Weird Science at April 27, 2013 11:31 AM (BBWjt)

86 Hey, I just had a great idea!

Posted by: Crackhead Larry at April 27, 2013 11:32 AM (i7B17)

87 OT?

PJMedia gives a shout out and link to Ace about how Greens want humans to just die already to save the planet.
http://tinyurl.com/czkxqzh

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2013 11:32 AM (2TMW2)

88 I just do not get why people would use these.

They are inhaling other "chemicals" as a result. And, from what I have read, you can get the same nicotine dose.

---

The idea is to give you the nicotine, which is the addictive agent in tobacco, w/out the (or with less) carcinogens. And I think the vapor is odorless (or less offensive). So it's like the patch or nicotine gum or whatever, but has the advantage of feeling like smoking.

I assume the idea is to wean yourself of nicotine - so I don't know but would expect that the cartridges come in different doses.

Have to say tho that the blu e-cig ads I've seen on TV act like it's just about being able to smoke w/out the restrictions they put on real cigarettes. The ads I've seen have been marketed to smokers, not to ppl who want to quit.

Posted by: Y-not at April 27, 2013 11:32 AM (5H6zj)

89 Attach=attack

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 27, 2013 11:33 AM (R8hU8)

90 But "regulate" often always means "use health pretexts to bother you and limit your choices."








Posted by Ace at 10:48 AM



Comments


Think this is more like it!






Posted by: Hrothgar at April 27, 2013 11:33 AM (Cnqmv)

91 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2013 11:29 AM (XYSwB)

Get the nicotine, but not the tar.

And yes, no smokey clothes smell anymore. And yes about the second hand smoke - but the busybodies are already at work trying to ban water vapor.

(no, not a user. Tried it but it didn't take. May try them again though.)

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2013 11:33 AM (Wl/Ht)

92 In college a long time ago I could tolerate an occasional Home Grown joint -- kind of a mellow.

But Columbian of the time (35 yrs ago) would make me irrationally paranoid and obsess about my own heart rate. So, I never acquired the habit of smoking reefer.

Posted by: Sphynx at April 27, 2013 11:33 AM (OZmbA)

93 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 27, 2013 11:31 AM (R+6Q+)

___________

Not it's quite easy. People who want to quit, quit. People who don't want to quit come up with bullshit excuses why they don't. Same with losing weight. Wanna lose 15lbs? Stop fucking eating pizza and cake and go for a walk every day. But that's hard and inconvenient. So instead let's blame genes or society or global warming on why we're fat.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 27, 2013 11:33 AM (HDgX3)

94 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 27, 2013 11:31 AM

Yep.

Posted by: Y-not at April 27, 2013 11:33 AM (5H6zj)

95 Dang- isit the 4th Saturday in April again already!?

I know what you mean. Every time Feb 29th rolls around...

Posted by: t-bird at April 27, 2013 11:34 AM (FcR7P)

96 I quit and it was the hardest damn thing I ever did. And even 8 yrs later, I still get cravings.

Posted by: L, elle at April 27, 2013 11:34 AM (0PiQ4)

97 but the busybodies are already at work trying to ban water vapor

If it can be banned, rest assured I'm on it like stink on shit!

Posted by: Nanny Bloomberg at April 27, 2013 11:35 AM (vbh31)

98
"The FDA is studying how to regulate the devices. Which I don't actually mind
in theory; I don't want to buy a bottle full of poison. But "regulate"
often means "use health pretexts to bother you and limit your choices."


Are you serious? With our government it isn't often, itsevery fucking time. God damn them to hell. Meddling fucking do gooders are paving the road to Hell.

Posted by: maddogg at April 27, 2013 11:36 AM (xX+d4)

99 96
I quit and it was the hardest damn thing I ever did. And even 8 yrs later, I still get cravings.

Posted by: L, elle at April 27, 2013 11:34 AM
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Stay away from smoky bars where Guinness is on tap.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2013 11:36 AM (aDwsi)

100 Dang- isit the 4th Saturday in April again already!? I know what you mean. Every time Feb 29th rolls around...
Posted by: t-bird at April 27, 2013 11:34 AM (FcR7P)

****

Nicely done. I was working on a Leap Year angle but got stuck on April so couldn't make it work.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 27, 2013 11:36 AM (pxDth)

101 Another example, there is widely varying ability to process alcohol among people and across ethnic groups.

Some people are much more susceptible to alcohol and become addicted quickly. Others don't.

Some people get drunk easily and behave erratically under the influence of alcohol --- there is a Finnish genetic variant discovered for that, for example -- others don't.

Few things really are mind over matter.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 27, 2013 11:36 AM (R+6Q+)

102

Oh, Ace wrote this.

Eh?

Go back to bed.
Or, outside if it's sunny.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2013 11:36 AM (XYSwB)

103 Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2013 11:33 AM (Wl/Ht)


IIRC, Rush had a story about how people complained when he (or someone in his party) fired up an e-Cig in a "public" restaurant.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 27, 2013 11:36 AM (Cnqmv)

104 Tried e-cigs last month, and still have it laying around here somewhere. Not sure which is better, taking a puff or having someone kick me in the throat. I buy tobacco by the pound @ $15, and its actually 100% tobacco as opposed to Marlboros and most others which are 1/2 tobacco, half shredded tissue paper soaked in chemical juice. Since going to bags of tobacco the cough went away, although quitting would be optimal.

Posted by: Up with people! at April 27, 2013 11:37 AM (FmFB3)

105 98

"The FDA is studying how to regulate the devices. Which I don't actually mind

in theory; I don't want to buy a bottle full of poison. But "regulate"

often means "use health pretexts to bother you and limit your choices."
===============

...and produce tax revenue.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2013 11:37 AM (aDwsi)

106 Giuliani: “Mind Boggling” DOJ Cut Off Questioning Of Bomber Suspect As Started To Confess About Threat To NYC

Weasel Zippers

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2013 11:37 AM (9Bj8R)

107 These days it's all E this or I that. I gotz the eCig and my iPod. And, momma says I don't have to be home until 12:30.

Posted by: Deep Thoughts... by Barky McPhuckstick, Jr at April 27, 2013 11:38 AM (i7B17)

108 I often wonder if Barack and Michelle are sitting in the residence watching 'Dancing with the Stars' through a thick blue haze.

Posted by: Sphynx at April 27, 2013 11:38 AM (OZmbA)

109 "As a kid used to take my dad's tobacco pipe apart to get the
tar/nicotine gunk out of the stem and then daub it on embedded ticks (on
me) . Kills them right away and they release without a fuss."

Nicotine is, essentially, an insecticide. That's why the tobacco plant secretes it.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2013 11:38 AM (gqT4g)

110 I quit and it was the hardest damn thing I ever did. And even 8 yrs later, I still get cravings.
Posted by: L, elle at April 27, 2013 11:34 AM (0PiQ4)
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I quit for 5 years once, using the gum to quit. 5 years (and 100 pounds) later I would still have dreams where I was just standing there smoking.

Posted by: Up with people! at April 27, 2013 11:39 AM (FmFB3)

111
They found nicotine in them? Well who woulda thunk? Sheesh.
Posted by: The Third Horseman Of The Apocalypse at April 27, 2013 11:28 AM (vbh31)
I think the issue is the variability. Which to be fair should probably be regulated at least from an advertising standpoint.

Posted by: tsrblke at April 27, 2013 11:39 AM (GaqMa)

112 but the busybodies are already at work trying to ban water vapor

The dangers of dihydrogen monoxide are well-documented.

Question for the busybodies at work: are you breathing? Quit it! Your secondhand water vapor and carbon dioxide can be lethal.

Posted by: t-bird at April 27, 2013 11:39 AM (FcR7P)

113 hey ya'll
I was a 2 pack a day smoker till one day I went to the dr because I was having really bad nosebleeds.
I mean just gushers. the tech took my BP said
"oh shit" and RAN out of the room. the doc came running in and said take these meds RIGHT NOW!
um...ok...why?
my bp was 202 over 110...
the nose bleeds were the vessels in my sinus's exploding.
I quit that day 4 years ago.

Posted by: rain of lead at April 27, 2013 11:39 AM (J/npG)

114 If i do try this again, i will not become part of the 'Vape' cult.

http://www.vapefest.com/

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2013 11:39 AM (Wl/Ht)

115 The FDA has found that smoking an E-cig very much gives one the appearance of smoking a cigarette.

Posted by: Nanny Bloomberg at April 27, 2013 11:39 AM (vbh31)

116 I don't smoke but all this talk is making me hungry and I got the hankering to go out and get me a big fat juicy fat steak and some mashed potatoes smothered in butter and garlic. But that's just me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2013 11:39 AM (9Bj8R)

117 moo moo, you're just wrong. You don't know anything about biology, medicine, or addiction and you were just trying to simultaneously humble brag about how mentally strong you are while insulting the people here who still smoke as being mentally weak.

Meanwhile the other people here are actually trying to help each other. Most who smoke recognize it's bad for them and would like to stop. Maybe you could encourage them instead of just calling them weak-willed pussies?

All you did was come in here and needlessly insult people. Your shit is still all retarded.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 27, 2013 11:40 AM (R+6Q+)

118

wiki (grain of salt) says this

Liquid for producing vapor in electronic cigarettes, known as e-juice or e-liquid, is a solution of propylene glycol (PG) and/or vegetable glycerin (VG) and/or polyethylene glycol 400 (PEG400) mixed with concentrated flavors, and optionally, a variable percentage of a liquid nicotine concentrate.


junk science

I think Rush said he tried these, and talked about them on his show, but cannot remember what he said.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2013 11:41 AM (XYSwB)

119 Which to be fair should probably be regulated at least from an advertising standpoint.

Yes, yes and more yes!!!

Posted by: Nanny Bloomberg at April 27, 2013 11:41 AM (vbh31)

120 I could go for a steak too.

Posted by: sTevo at April 27, 2013 11:41 AM (YSd1Q)

121 Posted by: Up with people! at April 27, 2013 11:37 AM (FmFB3)

Back in the day, I often smoked Marsh Wheeling stogies (partly for the classic look but mostly because they were cheap). Then I read the ingredients on the side of the box (and as a starving grad student I could actually afford a box of "cheap" cigars) and found that cardboard was listed along with tobacco as an ingredient.


Switched to another store brand and never smoked another MW stogie.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 27, 2013 11:41 AM (Cnqmv)

122 Another hipster thing is smoking a pipe.

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2013 11:42 AM (wsGWu)

123 Posted by: Up with people! at April 27, 2013 11:37 AM (FmFB3)

I was once in a store buying a pack of smokes when this elderly man came in. He wanted to purchase a pack of unfiltered cigs, Pall Mall, IIRC. The Unfortunately the store didn't carry them, and the young clerk tried to assuage the man by telling him filtered would be better for him anyway. The old guy then went on an epic rant about how "we didn't have lung cancer until they started putting those GD filters on".

Posted by: Country Singer at April 27, 2013 11:42 AM (WvcBR)

124 84 71 Crap. It's scrub-the-bathroom Saturday.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2013 11:28 AM (aDwsi)

*****

Dang- isit the 4th Saturday in April again already!?
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 27, 2013 11:31 AM (pxDth)


Aw shit. It is.

Posted by: rickl at April 27, 2013 11:42 AM (sdi6R)

125 The busy-bodies are already publishing articles on the dangers of third hand smoke... so how many demons can dance on the head of a pin?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2013 11:43 AM (2TMW2)

126 106 Giuliani: “Mind Boggling” DOJ Cut Off Questioning Of Bomber Suspect As Started To Confess About Threat To NYC

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 27, 2013 11:37 AM (9Bj8R)

Shh shh SHHH....


Supposed to be a surprise!

Posted by: Chinless Weasel at April 27, 2013 11:43 AM (Wl/Ht)

127 Up with people! --- I went cold turkey and got addicted to Bazooka bubblegum instead. I miss my Marlboros. Sniff. Sniff.

Posted by: L, elle at April 27, 2013 11:43 AM (0PiQ4)

128 5 days without a cigarette so far for me. I'm one of the ones who loves cigarettes. The one after you eat, the one with coffee, the one while you're kicking ass on the Xbox, the one ..... yeah I fucking love cigarettes.

Posted by: Berserker at April 27, 2013 11:43 AM (FMbng)

129 Not it's quite easy. People who want to quit, quit. People who don't want to quit come up with bullshit excuses why they don't. Same with losing weight. Wanna lose 15lbs? Stop fucking eating pizza and cake and go for a walk every day. But that's hard and inconvenient. So instead let's blame genes or society or global warming on why we're fat.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 27, 2013 11:33 AM (HDgX3)
I actually used to work next to a genetics lab that studied addiction, so some of that rubbed of on me (as I'm sure some of my work rubbed off on them.)Anyway, yeah... it's not "nature v. nurture" but it is "nature and nature" so you're being a little dismissive of things here.It's like how I can go on weight watchers, and sure with rigorous work I can lose 30 lbs (I did, then I put a bunch back on but that's besides the point.) But my wife lost 15-20 just through the changes in my cooking (substitutions of things ect.) no actual effort.Genetics does play a role, it's not deterministic, but it plays a role.

Posted by: tsrblke at April 27, 2013 11:44 AM (GaqMa)

130 I quit smoking over30 years ago as a college student when I calculated that if I quit smoking, I could afford a new Honda 750F motorcycle. I could indeed.

Posted by: maddogg at April 27, 2013 11:45 AM (xX+d4)

131

my husband, the shopper

have to go buy an "ironmaster super bench"

my husband, the shopper...

seeya's later

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2013 11:46 AM (XYSwB)

132 From Wiki:

PEG 400 (polyethylene glycol 400) is a low-molecular-weight grade of polyethylene glycol. It is a clear, colorless, viscous liquid. Due in part to its low toxicity, PEG 400 is widely used in a variety of pharmaceutical formulations.

So the odds are about 50/50 that if you take a variety of meds you're already ingesting the stuff daily.

Posted by: Ed Anger at April 27, 2013 11:46 AM (tOkJB)

133 2 Carne Guisado tacos, a marlboro red, and black coffee- in that order.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at April 27, 2013 11:46 AM (i7B17)

134 Can I rant for a second?

My dear, sweet, honest husband admitted to the life insurance folks that he smoked a cigarette while out drinking 8 months ago. That single cigarette made our premium more than double. How the heck are all you smokers buying life insurance?

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2013 11:47 AM (wsGWu)

135 133
2 Carne Guisado tacos, a marlboro red, and black coffee- in that order.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at April 27, 2013 11:46 AM
-----------------

Life is good...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2013 11:47 AM (aDwsi)

136 Good for you Berserker!

Posted by: L, elle at April 27, 2013 11:48 AM (0PiQ4)

137 junk science

I think Rush said he tried these, and talked about them on his show, but cannot remember what he said.Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 27, 2013 11:41 AM (XYSwB)
Not entirely.Humans are strange things. There's be a lot of work done on "ritual" and how the ritual actions of smoking a cigarette can affect you via the placebo effect. (Cool trick, even people who know they're taking a placebo still sometimes respond to it.)Also that "optional nicotine" seems not to be too optional in practice.

Posted by: tsrblke at April 27, 2013 11:48 AM (GaqMa)

138 So the Taekwondo instructor got arrested for framing the Elvis impersonator?

Mississippi bringing the strange.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 27, 2013 11:48 AM (R+6Q+)

139 I started growing hops this year in my home garden.

I'm also planting tobacco as a "deer repellent" as part of a large community garden I manage. Call it 'nicotiania' and everybody goes "oh .. .okay. good!"

...

I'm about half way through buying stuff for the moonshine still I'll be running ... put it in a shed alongside a hot tub and nobody is the wiser.

.

All this made possible by PBS! - the place where people learn stuff.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 27, 2013 11:48 AM (19AvL)

140 hey berserker, just keep telling yourself how much
money barky IS NOT GETTING from you.
it helps

Posted by: rain of lead at April 27, 2013 11:48 AM (J/npG)

141 When I was in high school, circa 82-86, a product came out that was like an e-cig without the 'e'. It was just a thick white straw that had nicotine embedded in a solid medium on the end and they were sold in packs of 10.
The FDA had them taken off of the market because, iirc, it was a drug delivery device and unsafe for some reason. This was during a time when we had a smoking section. At the high school.
I am sooo fucking old.

Posted by: CozMark at April 27, 2013 11:49 AM (AogGt)

142 Good luck, Berserker...chew lots of sugarless gum!

Posted by: CanaDave at April 27, 2013 11:49 AM (W006b)

143 129 Genetics does play a role, it's not deterministic, but it plays a role.

Posted by: tsrblke at April 27, 2013 11:44 AM (GaqMa)


Yeah, I am of the opinion that genetics plays a far greater role in behavior, addiction, choice of job, choice of spouse, choice of sexual orientation (or determination of sexual orientation) than people and scientists believe.Far greater.I have a cousin who was taken as a kid from my uncle and adopted by a family two states away. At 55 years old he found our family and came to live in the area. Not only does he look like and have the same mannerisms as my uncle, they are both paranoid borderline schizophrenics.I think that goes double for susceptibility to addiction to chemicals.

Posted by: Sphynx at April 27, 2013 11:49 AM (OZmbA)

144 So the odds are about 50/50 that if you take a variety of meds you're already ingesting the stuff daily.

I suppose the question would be does the e-cig change its chemical properties in any way? I guess the FDA will decide for us.

Posted by: The Third Horseman Of The Apocalypse at April 27, 2013 11:49 AM (vbh31)

145 I know people who use these in their offices. Which really is a drawback in my eyes. When I smoke at work i like to go outside for a break (moron hint- copying and printing comment threads from the HQ is great camoflauge.) Many times when i go out or walking out people would say 'take a break, you're alawys working.'. Heh heh.

About 120-140 comments use about 20 pages. Good for two casual cigarettes.

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2013 11:50 AM (Wl/Ht)

146 Hey Flatbush, at least its a different strange than what California produces.

Vote Fondren for Mayor of Vicksburg. She has experience at a bunny ranch in Nevada after all.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2013 11:50 AM (2TMW2)

147
Posted by: Sphynx at April 27, 2013 11:49 AM (OZmbA)


Well in fairness, with regards to schizophrenia, genetics is known to play an incredibly huge role.
Possibly even to the order of "necessary and more of less sufficient" (It appears to be a multi gene thing though, not a single gene trait.)

(Also other things can cause it, but we're talking "traumatic head injury" level stuff, not your average environmental exposure.)

Posted by: tsrblke at April 27, 2013 11:51 AM (GaqMa)

148
Hey Moo Moo the shithead:

According to the American Heart Association, nicotine addiction has historically been one of the hardest addictions to break, while the pharmacological and behavioral characteristics that determine tobacco addiction are similar to those determining addiction to heroin and cocaine.

Your ignorance never ceases to astound me.

Posted by: Ed Anger at April 27, 2013 11:51 AM (tOkJB)

149 141 When I was in high school, circa 82-86, a product came out that was like an e-cig without the 'e'. It was just a thick white straw that had nicotine embedded in a solid medium on the end and they were sold in packs of 10.
The FDA had them taken off of the market because, iirc, it was a drug delivery device and unsafe for some reason. This was during a time when we had a smoking section. At the high school.
I am sooo fucking old.

Posted by: CozMark at April 27, 2013 11:49 AM (AogGt)

ha. My high school had 2 smoking lounges.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at April 27, 2013 11:52 AM (DGIjM)

150 New thread up.

Posted by: Liberty Lover at April 27, 2013 11:53 AM (eQ4W/)

151 If you want to fart, you'll fart. It's that simple.

Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at April 27, 2013 11:53 AM (vbh31)

152 suzanne somers got kicked out of my high school for smoking......well before my time.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 27, 2013 11:54 AM (GVxQo)

153 149
Our smoking section was also an open air narcotics market.

Posted by: CozMark at April 27, 2013 11:55 AM (AogGt)

154 Good luck Berserker.

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2013 11:56 AM (Wl/Ht)

155 AND, the chicks were slutty.

Posted by: CozMark at April 27, 2013 11:57 AM (P0AbR)

156 Ecigs are wonderful. My mom has smoked for 60 years, and she recently was hospitalized for breathing issues. they told her she would have to stop smoking. I bought her an ego battery, tank and some ejuice, and she loves it. I don't think there is any way in the world she would have just stopped smoking without the help of these devices.

Posted by: Bob Dole mentions Bob Dole at April 27, 2013 11:57 AM (m0le6)

157 I wanted to introduce myself over here. Left hotair after being basically attacked by cops in a thread about potheads, came here, read this entire thread, and smiled. I'm 24, I will libertarian your ass right under the table. I could make an argument for anything being legal OR illegal, depending on my mood.

I'm a cigarette smoker and a pot smoker. I own a roll your own machine and drive from NY to Pennsylvania to buy cigarette tobacco. I only use gambler. some people can smoke pipe tobacco from a cigarette, I can't. Never tried an e-cig, often meant to

Posted by: theNomad at April 27, 2013 11:59 AM (0aJqr)

158 After reading about e-cigs here and other places, I tried them last Thanksgiving. Haven't looked back. No more hacking, coughing or having that distinctive stale smoke smell. My breathing is easier, lung capacity is better and I'm no longer so concerned about exerting myself being squarely in heart attack country.

After 40 years of solid smoking, I was very attached. Tried quitting just about every way and couldn't stay stopped. I can't sing the praises of the man who started the whole thing (? Japanese? His father passed from smoking?) enough. The tech advances have been spectacular. Using an iTaste by SmokTek (no afil), hazelnut chocolate. Have gone from 36mg to 24mg to 18 nic strength. At some point I'll put the thing down, but for me to get off the sticks is nothing short of miraculous.

Posted by: RosalindJ at April 27, 2013 12:00 PM (C3KwS)

159 So the odds are about 50/50 that if you take a variety of meds you're already ingesting the stuff daily.

Posted by: Ed Anger at April 27, 2013 11:46 AM (tOkJB)

shit, if you go to a concert with stage smoke, your breathing it in.

Love my eCig, buying the Ego-C battery and a bunch of atomizers were a great investment. Haven't completely stopped smoking regular cigarettes but I'm down to about a pack a week.

Posted by: The Dude at April 27, 2013 12:01 PM (vJdyz)

160 E-cigarettes will prove health was ALWAYS just a pretext for harassing smokers. Democrats don't care about your health...they want to control your behavior.

Posted by: DRayRaven at April 27, 2013 12:01 PM (C51VE)

161 Moo Moo, you don't get nicotine addiction. That's fine, lots of people don't. Let's relate this to your own addiction: See if you can stop being a contrarian shit-stirring commenter for a while. Just. Don't. Talk. Shit. It's just mind over matter, maaaan...

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 27, 2013 12:01 PM (GmTxn)

162 Fed govt shouldn't be meddling at all.

Busybodies keeping busy.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 27, 2013 12:02 PM (52n2x)

163 I also think it's laughable that people are scaring others away from e-cigs. The only thing it is is water vapor and nicotine.

It doesn't have any of the tar or carcinogens. It has to be vastly healthier.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 27, 2013 12:06 PM (52n2x)

164 Is the e cigarette any good?

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 27, 2013 12:07 PM (e9wB/)

165 145 I know people who use these in their offices. Which really is a drawback in my eyes. When I smoke at work i like to go outside for a break (moron hint- copying and printing comment threads from the HQ is great camoflauge.) Many times when i go out or walking out people would say 'take a break, you're alawys working.'. Heh heh.

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2013 11:50 AM (Wl/Ht)


It's commonly argued that smokers who take breaks are less productive than nonsmokers who don't take breaks.

But there have been many, many times where I've been banging my head against the wall trying to solve a problem. In frustration I go out for a smoke break, and while I'm outside I get an idea. I go back in, try it, and problem solved.

So a "break" is not necessarily unproductive. It can give you a chance to clear your head and approach the problem from a different direction. It doesn't even have to involve smoking.

Posted by: rickl at April 27, 2013 12:07 PM (sdi6R)

166 hey berserker, just keep telling yourself how much

money barky IS NOT GETTING from you.

it helps

Posted by: rain of lead at April 27, 2013 11:48 AM (J/npG)


Thats what started me making my own. I have one of the injector machines. Was less than a dollar a pack that way, probably 80 cents. For probably the first year every time I pulled the lever and the machine spit out a cig I would say "fuck you obama".

Posted by: Berserker at April 27, 2013 12:07 PM (FMbng)

167 134 Lauren (insurance)

Depends on the carrier. Many (most?) don't really distinguish between "regularly" and "socially." Best bet is to find an independent agent who knows the market and can shop the best rate for you. Online quote mills aren't really geared for this.

 
Ace: something else to consider - and this is sorta related to Lauren's question - is how carriers treat e-cigs. You're not really "smoking," but they're not really able to make the distinction with "vaping." The key is nicotine, not "smoke:"

 
http://tinyurl.com/dxqc9d6

Posted by: speedster1 at April 27, 2013 12:08 PM (yeM7r)

168 Per Wiki:

Historically, nicotine has not been regarded as a carcinogen and the IARC has not evaluated nicotine in its standalone form or assigned it to an official carcinogen group. While no epidemiological evidence supports that nicotine alone acts as a carcinogen in the formation of human cancer (on the contrary, a mechanism of urinary excretion of nicotine metabolites was identified as the link between smoking and bladder cancer), research over the last decade has identified nicotine's carcinogenic potential in animal models and cell culture. Nicotine has been noted to directly cause cancer through a number of different mechanisms such as the activation of MAP Kinases. Indirectly, nicotine increases cholinergic signalling (and adrenergic signalling in the case of colon cancer), thereby impeding apoptosis (programmed cell death), promoting tumor growth, and activating growth factors and cellular mitogenic factors such as 5-LOX, and EGF. Nicotine also promotes cancer growth by stimulating angiogenesis and neovascularization. In one study, nicotine administered to mice with tumors caused increases in tumor size (twofold increase), metastasis (nine-fold increase), and tumor recurrence (threefold increase).
~~~~~~~~~

So although nicotine has the potential to fuck you up in other ways, it DOES NOT cause lung cancer. It's the tar in cigarettes that do.

Since E-cigs eliminate the tar they also eliminate the major source of carcinogens in cigarette smoke, or at those that cause lung cancer -- a wonderful thing.

Not that the government or anti-smoking Nazis really give a flying fuck about your health. That's not part of their agenda.

Posted by: Ed Anger at April 27, 2013 12:10 PM (tOkJB)

169 What difference does it make? We must do it to save the life of one upper class whitey, right?

Posted by: Hillary Obama at April 27, 2013 12:12 PM (HVff2)

170 Maybe e-cigs should be reinvented as some sort of sexual fetish device, in order to get the government away from them. Sexual choices are not to be tampered with, you see, that's oppressive.

To take away our vape would be like rape. Or something.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 27, 2013 12:15 PM (GmTxn)

171 Is the e cigarette any good?

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 27, 2013 12:07 PM (e9wB/)

Yeah, it gives a great throat hit without the heavy feeling but it does depend on what you buy and where you buy. Personally think Heather's Heavenly Vapes are the best for liquid
http://www.heathersheavenlyvapes.com/
As for the battery and clearomizer, depends on how far you want to get into it. Cheap but good route is buy a EGO-C with passthrough from a licensed Joyetech seller and something like the Stardust clearomizer from
www.GotVapes.com

Posted by: The Dude at April 27, 2013 12:15 PM (vJdyz)

172 Ahh, Ace on the patio during a break from yard work. Spring has arrived in the upper midwest

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at April 27, 2013 12:15 PM (HVff2)

173 @Berserker, I want that way too, and banged them out for three years.. It was very satisfying thinking about all the money I wasn't giving the overlords to waste.

Posted by: RosalindJ at April 27, 2013 12:16 PM (C3KwS)

174
some people can smoke pipe tobacco from a cigarette, I can't. Never tried an e-cig, often meant to

Posted by: theNomad at April 27, 2013 11:59 AM (0aJqr)


Talk to your tobacco dealer. Many companies sell cigarette tobacco as "pipe tobacco" just to avoid the extra taxes on ciggy tobacco. So a lot of the big pouches of "pipe tobacco" are really cigarette tobacco.

Posted by: Ed Anger at April 27, 2013 12:17 PM (tOkJB)

175 Welcome theNomad.

Pleae fill out this form in triplecate and proceed to the waiting room so we can draw blood for our records. We will also need your past three employers, 10 year sexual history, neighbor reference for the past 15. On this card please write your SSN, Bank account info, routing number, and credit card with exp. date.

*this info will not be shared with anyone who isn't on the internet*

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2013 12:23 PM (Wl/Ht)

176 Main problem is Nicotine is a serious serious poison so if you distilled it you could ruin someone's day

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 27, 2013 12:26 PM (LRFds)

177 Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 27, 2013 12:01 PM (GmTxn)
*golf clap*

Ehh, F that.


THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE WITH STANDING OVATION

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2013 12:26 PM (Wl/Ht)

178 You'll poop, if you really want to. It's that simple.

Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at April 27, 2013 12:26 PM (vbh31)

179 170 Jenny hates her Phone,

I think my morning tostitos binge is sexual...

//Mik'Al'Moor

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 27, 2013 12:27 PM (LRFds)

180 *hmmm hmm hmmm. Oh look. Squirrel.*

Just procrastinatin' the yard work.

But it's about time to rain hellfire on the weeds.

There will be blood, oh yes, there will be blood.

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2013 12:31 PM (Wl/Ht)

181 and back into the grind....

thought I'd say hey while I took lunch y'all....

buckle up and be safe

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 27, 2013 12:31 PM (LRFds)

182
Posted by: theNomad at April 27, 2013 11:59 AM (0aJqr)

Fresh meat.
EoJ and Allen G are going to be having some fun aren't they?

Posted by: tsrblke at April 27, 2013 12:34 PM (GaqMa)

183 One of the little local newspapers last weekend carried an editorial by a good ol' boy who has just discovered e-cigarettes. The best part, he wrote, was the card he got in his starter kit proclaiming him to be a member of the 'Green Smoke' Club and therefore entitled to certain privileges. Among these, the card informs the reader, is exemption from local or federal anti-smoking laws, since e-cigs emit no [sic] noxious substances.

The writer went on to say that he is really looking forward to 'blowing that in the face' of some officious TSA functionary or airline pilot next time he flew.

I commented back to the newspaper saying I hope to hear how that works out for him.

Posted by: RNB at April 27, 2013 12:38 PM (WkjqG)

184 Richard Branson, helping the creepers out at 35,000 feet.

(actually, i think it's kind of cool. But i can see it getting uncomfortable real quick.)

http://tinyurl.com/coeognu

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2013 01:10 PM (Wl/Ht)

185 Thanks to Ace, I stopped smoking around Thanksgiving. Ecigs are the future.

Posted by: Sea Monster at April 27, 2013 01:19 PM (nYENA)

186 I smoked for 21 years and the second I tried an E-cig I switched immediately and never looked back. I use the ego-c twist, Bauway tanks and Heather's Heavenly nicotine juices. I haven't had a cigarette since July 10, 2012.
E cigs totally saved my life. My cough is GONE. I sleep so much better. I turned my neighbor on to them (65 yrs old, smoked for 50yrs.) and he tells me all the time his life was saved.

Posted by: paper sack at April 27, 2013 01:30 PM (7c25a)

187 Marijuana is an extremely complicated plant. It has dozens of active chemicals, only one of which is delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) which itself has been shown to have anti-carcinogenic properties. Of course, the major problem with smoking is the pro-carcinogenic effect of burning the plant matter, which applies to any plant matter you smoke. The human body actually has cannabinoid receptors. Now, ask yourself, why would God put cannabinoid receptors in us? For the record, I haven't smoked anything in several years and have never smoked a tobacco cigarette.

Posted by: SFGoth at April 27, 2013 01:32 PM (DQpWh)

188 Oh, as for impeding apoptosis (programmed cell death), from what I've read, THC is apoptosis sympathetic.

Posted by: SFGoth at April 27, 2013 01:35 PM (DQpWh)

189

Altria is a good stock. Marlboro is a "good" cigarette (although that might be RJ Reynolds, not sure). I smoke them (shoot me) and e cigs as well in an effort to switch over. (addicted -- my choice).

That said, I have watched Big Tobacco and Big Government work together to decimate small businesses opening roll your own. Pure politics and taxes and market domination.

Independent E cig mfgs will have a tough time if they are not scooped up by Big Tobacco. Nothing good will come out of more government. And regulation is just more over something they know nothing about.

I smoke so my taxes can be used for the children and the schools.


Posted by: gracepmc at April 27, 2013 01:51 PM (rznx3)

190 Ecigs are great.

Blu is pretty good, but Logic platinum is the best one I've tried. NJoy is ok, but they don't last as long.

They ARE healthier than smoking. But, the Ecig folks can't say it.

Posted by: Turdblossum at April 27, 2013 01:54 PM (sLH8K)

191 I can still get name brand fags on the Rez for less then e-cigs.

Logic Platinum are the best. Pricey though...

Posted by: Attila at April 27, 2013 02:10 PM (Cs2tJ)

192
By the way, Altria = Philip Morris.

Philip Morris USA (PM USA) split from Philip Morris International (PMI) some years ago to protect PMI from financial assessments by US juries, etc.

As Ed Anger said above, it is the tar in cigarettes that causes cancer. It deposits little black specks all over the insides of your lungs, and starts to kill lung cells, and some of the necrotic tissue eventually becomes cancerous.

Pot smoke does the same thing. Whatever positive pharma effects come from Cannabis, they are way offset by the tars from smoking that shit.
I sincerely DOUBT there are specific Cannabis receptors in your body. Just as there are not specific receptors for the opiates, the opiates just happen to fit into the receptors for naturally produced proteins, the endorphins (pain killers produced by your own body).

And all the big cigarette companies WANT the FDA to regulate this stuff, because it keeps out small competitors. Someone from Philip Morris (pretty high up, my company used to do a lot of business with them) told me that.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense at.... at April 27, 2013 03:32 PM (Md8Uo)

193 Quitting smoking cigarettes tougher than quitting herion.

Posted by: Keith Richards former herion addict at April 27, 2013 04:43 PM (/djtm)

194 Via the ACA. Devices... Toothbrushes. Wheel chairs. E-cigs. Dildos. Hold on a minute.

Posted by: Reggie Love. at April 27, 2013 04:59 PM (/djtm)

195 In theory, the cost of e-cigs should inevitably go down, but the government cocksuckers aren't gonna take the reduction in revenue from actual cigarettes lying down. It will be funny to watch them treat e-cigs in a way that completely lays to waste their phony campaign of concern for people to quit smoking.

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at April 27, 2013 06:01 PM (E55AK)

196 E-Cigs worked for me. I quit smoking tobacco the day I got my first mod. (Slang for an e-gig) I now have several and mix my own liquid that uses only top quality ingredients. My doctor says my lungs are clear and the damage wrought by 30 years of smoking is disappearing rapidly. Contrary to the paranoia spread by some here the liquid I mix does not contain any weird and/or harmful "chemicals". The majority of the base liquid is propylene glycol, which is consumed by billions of people every day with zero adverse effects, and vegetable glycerine which is also harmless. The only known toxin is the nicotine but I use very little of it now and will soon be eliminating it altogether. I just keep it in the mix for the flavour.

If you really want to quit but are having trouble you will find these things a real help. I did. Google "e-cigarette forum" and do some reading. It might just save yer life.

Posted by: TrueNorthist at April 27, 2013 09:09 PM (3Aixx)

197 Love, love , love the e-cigs. Hubby and I both quit for Lent 2 years ago. We use the SmokeTip brand . Best customer service! I was addicted to the smoking but he was addicted to the nicotine. He used the nicotine lozenges for a year and used the 16mg cartridges. I just used the 12mg cartridges. Neither of us have had a real cig since. No smell in our clothes, our house, our car, etc. It's great! They also make e-cigars! Hubby loves them! E-cigs are the best thing that ever happened to our health. Even the doctors think we never smoked! I am just afraid that the gov't may try to take them away. That would be too bad to millions of people like us.

Posted by: Buckeye Katie at April 27, 2013 11:31 PM (1M/xn)

198 I have looked into the science (and the junk science, some of which has been quoted here). There is no doubt that by NOT burning tobacco - or any organic matter - you are avoid hundreds of carcinogens. This is beyond the tar. And, the science in this regard is largely "settled," as they say.

e-cigs don't burn an organic matter. Much like the nicotine inhaler sold as a cessation device through a popular drug company, they simple aerosolize a solution that is very basic and contains nicotine so that you can inhale it into your lungs.

What is an e-cigarette? Well, they contain only a few ingredients... Propelyne Glycol is listed by the FDA as GRAS (Generally Regarded As Safe) and is found in many foods, cosmetics, etc. This, along with nicotine and flavor and water make up the solution that creates the vapor you see. This solution is quick-heated and creates a nice smoke-mimicking (yet sans smoke particle) vapor. Most common units employ a battery to heat the solution. Like a tiny pot of boiling water giving off steam, sort of. That's it. Not really so scary or mysterious.

I started working for an e-cig company recently, which is awesome since I have been using these for years. It is a very interesting business that is quickly coming under attack from all sorts of folks who should be celebrating that they are eating into cigarette sales in huge numbers.

BTW- They don't make health claims, or run ads telling you to use them to stop smoking. If they were to do that they would have to be approved as a drug through the long and expensive approval process. A federal circuit court told the FDA that they could not ban these products because there are no health claims, but might choose to expand their new tobacco regulatory powers (thank you, Obama and the Dem Congress of 2009) to also cover these products. The FDA is considering that still.

Nicotine, like many other chemicals used by humans (including every food you consume) has some effects in your body. That is obvious. But, "effects" are not synonymous with "damaging effects." In very high doses, nicotine becomes toxic. Granted, so does water! Doses in e-cigarettes are no where near the toxic level. Rather, nicotine has many of the same characteristics as my other favorite addictive substance: caffeine. I happen to prefer them together.

(Advanced user tip: You can simply hold your breath longer after inhaling and then there is no water vapor released. This is sometimes referred to as "stealth vaping" and is a great way to stump your busy body mother in law).

Hope this was helpful!

Posted by: e-cig fan at April 28, 2013 02:56 AM (YaDGn)

199 Here is a link to a short news story about some research on these going on at Oklahoma University. If you are curious about these, you may find this intriguing.

http://kwtv.videodownload.worldnow.com/KWTV_20130425184048177AA.mp4

Posted by: e-cig fan at April 28, 2013 03:03 AM (YaDGn)

200 Smoked for 40 years. Tried to quit for the last 30 of those. Friend told me about this vapor e-cig thing. Went in and got an Ego-C four months ago. Haven't had a cig since and don't miss it at all. In fact I bummed a smoke off a guy the other day and couldn't stand it. Took two puffs and almost puked. This vapor shit is the best thing to come along in decades. Hell, the guvmint should be out promoting it to save lives. Course they won't cause they're effin idiots.

Posted by: Bubba Crunk at April 28, 2013 05:40 PM (Pvm+/)






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