Rubio Spokesman: Your Immigration Compromise Offer Reminds Me Of Something. What's It Called? Oh Right...SLAVERY.

Well, the smiling face, let's have a civil discussion about amnesty mask dropped last night.

Conn Carroll of the Washington Examiner proposed a plan that would allow illegals here to register and receive work visas but permanently exclude them from citizenship. That would be a real penalty (not ones like in the Schumer-Rubio amnesty plan). Rubio's spokesman Alex Conant, who until that point had engaged several critics (myself included) in polite debate, replied this way.



Well, we have a cohort of people living here now who are without full citizenship rights. That's kind of what this whole thing is about, no? If they don't want to be like "slaves" they can do something actual slaves can't....leave.

As Carroll points out today, Conant's language is straight out the left's playbook.

I was worried that Team Rubio would be tougher to beat since they were doing so much smiling faced outreach to conservatives. It was easier to deal with snarling John McCain or Lindsey "tell the bigots to shut up" Graham. Conant has made things easier for the anti-amnesty side.

BTW- I know some people still want to fight over the word "amnesty". Clearly I think it the Schumer-Rubio plan is. To further my case, I'd like to call to stand one Marco Rubio (circa 2010).

During a March 28, 2010 Fox News debate against then-Gov. Charlie Crist, Rubio said: “He would have voted for the McCain plan. I think that plan is wrong, and the reason I think it’s wrong is that if you grant amnesty, as the governor proposes that we do, in any form, whether it's back of the line or so forth, you will destroy any chance we will ever have of having a legal immigration system that works here in America.”

In a CNN debate on Oct 24, 2010, moderator Candy Crowley asked, “So your plan is that you're going to close the borders, get the electronic system, fix the legal system, and then do what?" Rubio responded: “And then you'll have a legal immigration system that works. And you'll have people in this country that are without documents that will be able to return to the -- will be able to leave this country, return to their homeland, and try to re-enter through our system that now functions, a system that makes sense…Earned path to citizenship is basically code for amnesty.

Sure Rubio changed his mind (or lied depending on how charitable you are feeling) but you can totally trust him when he says it's not amnesty now and the border security provisions in his bill are strong . Sure you can.

Posted by: DrewM. at 01:11 PM



Comments

1 Firstish.

Posted by: Darles Chickens at April 22, 2013 01:12 PM (z4vvZ)

2 Kill the Bill!

And that's all I have to say

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2013 01:12 PM (9Bj8R)

3
here we go, gotta gin up the outrage at the ol' Q!

Posted by: soothsayer at April 22, 2013 01:13 PM (NLH1M)

4
Your mouth.

Something in it.

Apologies.

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 01:13 PM (GQ8sn)

5 IftheEnglish colonists had repelled the invading Africans, the Amnesty of 1739 would not have been necessary.

Posted by: The Bad Historian at April 22, 2013 01:13 PM (sOtz/)

6 Well, we have a cohort of people living here now who are without full citizenship rights.


Don't we still have permanent resident aliens who are not actually citizens? Are they slaves too?

Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 01:15 PM (VtjlW)

7 Ah, fresh air!

How exactly was Rubio pegged so wrong? Was it there and nobody wanted to see? Call it Exhibit A on why we can't rely on 'hero candidates' to get the job done, I suppose.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, no ampersand joke here at April 22, 2013 01:15 PM (fMiHM)

8 These people are citizens. OF OTHER COUNTRIES.

Posted by: Minuteman at April 22, 2013 01:15 PM (YOWAW)

9 This debate is insane, especially in light of what happened last week. If we don't know what threats we've allowed to come here legally, how can we hope to know the ones who are here illegally?

Posted by: Darles Chickens at April 22, 2013 01:15 PM (z4vvZ)

10 Delay the bill by calling the douchebag from Boston as a witness, it will takes a couple of months for his throat to heal.

Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2013 01:16 PM (xBps2)

11 This guy is clearly nuts.

Even being a permanent resident grants you a whole host of rights. Unlike slaves which had none.

In fact, these days pretty much the only right you don't get as a permanent resident is the right to (legally) vote.

So how is this a bad thing for the "undocumented"

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 22, 2013 01:16 PM (Dcokn)

12 Horchata Futures are UP!

Posted by: garrett at April 22, 2013 01:16 PM (aeASc)

13 Has anybody gone from prime rib to shit sammich as quickly as Rubio?

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2013 01:16 PM (LMc/u)

14 Well, it's not the furry one, but it'll do.

Posted by: Jess1 at April 22, 2013 01:16 PM (lbiWb)

15 Talk about turning the argument on its head. They wouldn't be here permanently if we actually enforced our laws. On a related note, how come nobody tells me that I am 40% enslaved, based on various government entities taking 40% of the product of my labor?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2013 01:16 PM (HrBwt)

16 rubio lied and he won't get my vote on a national ticket.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 22, 2013 01:16 PM (GVxQo)

17 Can we PLEASE stop touting Rubio for POTUS now? He's been bad enough recently, but if he's hiring people like Conant???

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 22, 2013 01:16 PM (kFnmp)

18

Slave to what, Marco?

This is so head twisting bizarre.

Is someone putting something in the Congress' food and water supply? Because that is exactly what it seems like. Or, a master hypnotist doing his/her rounds.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 22, 2013 01:16 PM (XYSwB)

19 You know what reminds me of slavery? A bunch of Hollyweird addicts and perverts who want cut rate lawn care so they hire crimigrants.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 22, 2013 01:17 PM (Hx5uv)

20 Continuing coverage over at Breitbart:

http://tinyurl.com/cz538kd


Rubio is jumping up and down on the GOP's balls to get them to go along with this

Posted by: Truman North at April 22, 2013 01:17 PM (F0T44)

21 So who does this leave you remaining Republicans, Cruz?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 22, 2013 01:17 PM (yCvxi)

22 WASHINGTON — A Republican senator says the name of Tamerlan Tsarnaev — the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing who died in a firefight with police — was misspelled on his 2011 trip to Russia.

Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said Tsarnaev's correct name never went into "the system," and this thwarted the FBI in discovering the six-month trip. Graham said on Fox News that he spoke to the assistant director of the FBI on Sunday night.

BUT BUT we're still gonna be able to keep track of all those we are giving amnesty to right? Right right right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2013 01:17 PM (9Bj8R)

23 This fucker Rubio also before the bill was unvieled kept saying he wouldnt endorse legalization before border security,

HE FUCKING LIED ABOUT THAT TOO. They get instant legalization. Fuck MarcoRubio. He smiles like a donut. Never trust a man who smiles like a donut.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at April 22, 2013 01:17 PM (++kZl)

24 Someone should remind Alex that a big cohort couldn't vote until well after slavery ended, women. I don't twit so fire away for me.

Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2013 01:18 PM (xBps2)

25 What difference does it make what the law says> It's going to be ignored anyway.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 22, 2013 01:18 PM (Hx5uv)

26 clearly what is needed is citizenship for al Qaeda

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 22, 2013 01:18 PM (uGzsv)

27 Just the tip. No really.

Posted by: dogfish at April 22, 2013 01:18 PM (nsOJa)

28 How was he pegged so wrong? He was a fresh face, so people thought he was honest.

Posted by: ejo at April 22, 2013 01:18 PM (GXvSO)

29 Once upon a time I liked Rubio. No more.

Posted by: Nanny Hag at April 22, 2013 01:19 PM (39IHH)

30 Slaves? You wanna talk about slaves? How bout the fact that I had to work until a week ago before I could earn any actual money? Huh? How bout that fact. I spent the better fucking part of four fucking months working and didn't receive a dime of it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:19 PM (da5Wo)

31
BTW- I know some people still want to over the word "amnesty". Clearly I think it the Schumer-Rubio plan is. To further my case, I'd like to call to stand one Marco Rubio (circa 2010).


...

Okay, I know it's a Monday, but am I alone in not being able to figure out what the hell this says?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 01:19 PM (4df7R)

32 Gay fucking shit.

Posted by: AJ Clemente at April 22, 2013 01:19 PM (29vnO)

33 clearly what is needed is citizenship for al Qaeda

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 22, 2013 01:18 PM (uGzsv)

-----
oooooooooooooh..........

Posted by: lefty lightbulbs going off in unison...... at April 22, 2013 01:20 PM (nELVU)

34 Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said
Tsarnaev's correct name never went into "the system," and this thwarted
the FBI in discovering the six-month trip. Graham said on Fox News that
he spoke to the assistant director of the FBI on Sunday night.



BUT BUT we're still gonna be able to keep track of all those we are giving amnesty to right? Right right right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2013 01:17 PM (9Bj8R)

This kinda stumps me....aren't passports scanned?!

Where did the 'misspelling' happen?

Posted by: Tami at April 22, 2013 01:20 PM (X6akg)

35 Rubio is dead to me. If he wins the nomination in 2016 I sit out.

Posted by: sigh at April 22, 2013 01:20 PM (NA9mY)

36 Slavery you say? Sounds like all of us paying for this shit are the slaves.

Posted by: dogfish at April 22, 2013 01:20 PM (nsOJa)

37 My theory is that it's like that old movie, Wild in the Streets. The leftist put LSD in Washington D.C.'s drinking water reservoir to get the senators and congressmen to vote however they wanted them to.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 22, 2013 01:21 PM (Hx5uv)

38 The last time we had such a cohort was in 1985, when Reagan bought in to amnesty, being told this would be the "last time". How'd that work out?

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at April 22, 2013 01:21 PM (XrGnJ)

39 Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said Tsarnaev's correct name never went into "the system," and this thwarted the FBI in discovering the six-month trip. Graham said on Fox News that he spoke to the assistant director of the FBI on Sunday night.

Was it mama winger or Miss Marple on an earlier thread who said we need to find out why the FBI's search engine is less effective than fucking eBay's?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 01:21 PM (4df7R)

40 BTW- I know some people still want to GLOSS over the
word "amnesty". Clearly I think it IS the Schumer-Rubio plan is. To further
my case, I'd like to call to stand one Marco Rubio (circa 2010).



...



Okay, I know it's a Monday, but am I alone in not being able to figure out what the hell this says?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 01:19 PM (4df7R)


That's my stab at it.

Posted by: Tami at April 22, 2013 01:21 PM (X6akg)

41 How was he pegged so wrong? He was a fresh face, so people thought he was honest.

Posted by: ejo at April 22, 2013 01:18 PM (GXvSO)


Well he defeated that orange pile of RINO diarrhea, Cheeto Crist, as an "outsider" although recently Rove has been claiming that he supported him and Rubio hasn't denied that.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2013 01:21 PM (LMc/u)

42 Where's the conservative voice in the Senate opposing this shit sandwich? Please don't tell me all we have is Chuck Grassley?

Posted by: lowandslow at April 22, 2013 01:21 PM (Fz2C7)

43
12,
Try Cafe Rio (chain) - they have a very tasty horchata, along with a fantastic mint and lime combo, a fantastic Strawberry lemonade, and "Southwest Limeade".
I'm thirsty.

Posted by: Jess1 at April 22, 2013 01:21 PM (lbiWb)

44 Okay, I know it's a Monday, but am I alone in not being able to figure out what the hell this says?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 01:19 PM (4df7R)

Nope.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 22, 2013 01:21 PM (fwARV)

45 Q: What do you call a politician that attacks Republicans, using the same language as the Democrats, while pushing a bill that will only benefit Democrats?
A: (by Mark the Rube) Que? I'm still a Republican!!

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 22, 2013 01:22 PM (VjL9S)

46 We've got a Maverick with mad cow disease running wild and infecting the rest of the herd!

Posted by: Fritz at April 22, 2013 01:22 PM (gyDll)

47 Hmm, haven't been able to get to the comments for a couple hours. Figured I was banned, but troubleshooting I found that google nameservers arent resolving minx.cc. Happened yesterday for a short time too. Switching to the ISP provided nameserver brings it up immediately so apparently google doesn't like minx.cc.

Posted by: Him again at April 22, 2013 01:22 PM (FmFB3)

48 I'm fishing for votes I'll never get.

Posted by: Marco Rubino at April 22, 2013 01:22 PM (vbh31)

49 You know that Cloward Piven strategy where they would overload the welfare system and bankrupt the country?

We are 17 trillion in debt and we are going to legalize and gvie welfare to 20 something million more citizens of other countries. After 20 years that number will triple.

WE ARE FUCKED

Posted by: Mr. Pink at April 22, 2013 01:22 PM (++kZl)

50 Once again, how come a legally arrived/born latino loves to sell out their countrymen for illegals of their race. Seems like someone doesn't respect us or something.

Posted by: dogfish at April 22, 2013 01:22 PM (nsOJa)

51 So, let me get this straight. Entering and living in this country illegally and not being given voting rights is equivalent to slavery, but the 20 percent of us who are paying the full freight of the tax bill in this contry to give welfare benefits to legal and illegal residents are the evil rich who must be punished. OK, now it is clear to me.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2013 01:23 PM (HrBwt)

52 Rubio needs to go to Cuba like Jay-z and the lip sync-er. Couple weeks off may clear his stupid fucking head.

Posted by: nip at April 22, 2013 01:23 PM (lGVXf)

53 How can another HUMAN BEING be illegal?

Posted by: Liberal Arts Major at April 22, 2013 01:23 PM (jucos)

54 People who entered the country dishonestly should never be granted the privilege of citizenship. If they want citizenship, they should go back to their home countries and do things honorably. We need to close the border. Once that's done, I'm in favor of working out a system to let the illegals stay here legally, but they should not be rewarded with citizenship. They chose to ignore our laws.Not becoming a citizen is the price they pay for breaking our laws.

Posted by: biancaneve at April 22, 2013 01:23 PM (6bYlh)

55 In before jwest opens his stupid fucking criminal loving mouth,.

Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2013 01:23 PM (LI48c)

56 Slaves? You wanna talk about slaves? How bout the fact that I had to work until a week ago before I could earn any actual money? Huh? How bout that fact. I spent the better fucking part of four fucking months working and didn't receive a dime of it.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:19 PM (da5Wo)



*slides over more tequila*


I was reading the article on the Danes rethinking welfare and there was a comment in there about how people feel entitled to the benefits. Tell you what, if I was paying over 58% in taxes, hell fucking yes I would feel entitled to benefits since I fucking paid for them.

I still don't understand why there's some kind of moral imperative to giving amnesty to those who voluntarily broke the law to come here. Why the hell am I under any possible obligation to care about them? Why? Oh boo hoo hoo their lives are harder. And? No, really, and? If you choose to break the law, do not bitch at me when your life becomes harder because of your choices.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 01:23 PM (VtjlW)

57
#51,
Well, yeah. That's pretty much it.

Posted by: Jess1 at April 22, 2013 01:24 PM (lbiWb)

58 The first 500 names in the local phone book could do a way better job of governance, and they would do it for free.

Posted by: Nanny Hag at April 22, 2013 01:24 PM (39IHH)

59 Wisconsin Students Being Taught “American Faith In Democracy Soured Into Cynicism” Because Of Reagan’s Policies, Conservatives Are Evil…

This “history” lesson was recently taught to students in Prescott, Wisconsin:

Weasel Zippers:

Yeah us evil Republicans want to keep all immigrants as slaves also. OK, just one question? Where is my slave?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2013 01:24 PM (9Bj8R)

60 Well he defeated that orange pile of RINO diarrhea, Cheeto Crist, as an
"outsider" although recently Rove has been claiming that he supported
him and Rubio hasn't denied that.

***

So it's like when you're being bull whipped and then they put down the bull whip and pick up a belt to beat you with and it's better.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 22, 2013 01:24 PM (Hx5uv)

61 Hell who's the voice in the House opposing this? They're going to ram this fucker through.

Posted by: lowandslow at April 22, 2013 01:25 PM (Fz2C7)

62 still don't understand why there's some kind of moral imperative to
giving amnesty to those who voluntarily broke the law to come here.

----

Because they'll vote.





For us.

Posted by: The DNC at April 22, 2013 01:25 PM (nELVU)

63 I was reading the article on the Danes rethinking welfare and there was a comment in there about how people feel entitled to the benefits. Tell you what, if I was paying over 58% in taxes, hell fucking yes I would feel entitled to benefits since I fucking paid for them.

I've never understood why we call it "entitlement spending" here in the States. In what universe is anyone else entitled to my money except those to whom I choose to give it? Can we please call it what it is? "Liability spending?"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 01:25 PM (4df7R)

64 Yeah us evil Republicans want to keep all immigrants as slaves also. OK, just one question? Where is my slave?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2013 01:24 PM (9Bj8R)


She's on break....after her lunch hour.

Posted by: Tami at April 22, 2013 01:25 PM (X6akg)

65 You leave Marco alone! He's lispy, effeminate, and...dreamy.

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at April 22, 2013 01:25 PM (29vnO)

66 nevergive up

it's 10:25am mst, i can't find my slave(s)either......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 22, 2013 01:25 PM (GVxQo)

67 @BreakingNews

Hospitalized suspect in Boston bombing attacks is charged; federal complaint is sealed - http://trib.in/ZEemGM


Why would they hide the charges? Did they opt for charging him with a noise disturbance? Unlicensed tree-stump removal?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 22, 2013 01:25 PM (5Hl3g)

68 Where's the conservative voice in the Senate opposing this shit sandwich? Please don't tell me all we have is Chuck Grassley?
Posted by: lowandslow at April 22, 2013 01:21 PM (Fz2C7)



Jeff Sessions just put out a release saying fuck that shit (I may be paraphrasing a bit).

Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 01:26 PM (VtjlW)

69 Fuck Rubio's lying comb-over ass.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 22, 2013 01:26 PM (ZPrif)

70 Im old enough to remember that certain people once climbed over each others backs to sodomize Rubios trash cans and now we get the Marco Crist Show. McCains cuban mini-me.

Posted by: elize nayden at April 22, 2013 01:26 PM (uaBpU)

71 wait, so the slaves jumped borders to get here? I never knew that. I always thought THEY WERE BROUGHT HERE IN CHAINS.

Posted by: separate at April 22, 2013 01:26 PM (6MvWq)

72 I still don't understand why there's some kind of
moral imperative to giving amnesty to those who voluntarily broke the
law to come here. Why the hell am I under any possible obligation to
care about them? Why? Oh boo hoo hoo their lives are harder. And?
No, really, and? If you choose to break the law, do not bitch at me
when your life becomes harder because of your choices.



Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 01:23 PM (VtjlW)


He's a jerk, but.... http://youtu.be/rVnplh7gnlU

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:26 PM (da5Wo)

73
Rubio changed.

He was corrupted, like all men, he was weak. He was seduced by those around him in Washington.

Or not, and he hid his beliefs to get elected. He lied. Just like McCain lied and is lying now. Remember McCain: "Just build the damn fence!"

Liar, liar, pants on fire. Or some such meaningless drivel.

Either way, we're screwed. Really. They won't walk this back, and they will ignore that other group of people in this country called "citizens".

And we'll get Schumer's smirking fat face on TV reminding us that we're dirt. Well, look at California and that will be Texas in ten years. Tex-Mex or Mex-Tex, it willgo Democrat in a couple of cycles after this abortion is passsed.

The Democrats know EXACTLY what they are doing. It's the lying Republicans that are really hard to figure.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense at..... at April 22, 2013 01:26 PM (RFeQD)

74 It sure seems that the Republican Party was not murdered, it committed suicide.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 22, 2013 01:27 PM (Hx5uv)

75 Oh, and the leftist counter to "why in the F should we grant even more people citizenship when the Boston Marathon bomber were immigrants?" is to point out that all other recent mass killings were by Americans.

Yup. Leftie logic. Doesn't answer the question and accuses you of some manner of blood libel.

Again: "If we can't control our own crazies, how is that a case for importing more crazies?"

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 22, 2013 01:27 PM (VjL9S)

76 Seems like someone doesn't respect us or something.

Posted by: dogfish at April 22, 2013 01:22 PM (nsOJa)

LA RAZA

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2013 01:27 PM (/WLC3)

77 I've never understood why we call it "entitlement
spending" here in the States. In what universe is anyone else entitled
to my money except those to whom I choose to give it? Can we please call
it what it is? "Liability spending? THEFT"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 01:25 PM (4df7R)


Fixed for fucking accuracy

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:27 PM (da5Wo)

78 Obama isn't running again, so I'd sit 2016 out if Rubio was the nominee. At least a Dem POTUS tells you before he screws you. Our guys smile while knifing us in the back.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 22, 2013 01:27 PM (kFnmp)

79
AtC,
That attitude puzzles me greatly. I've travelled on business across Asia, Europe, and much of the Americas, and without exception there are rules enforced on working in every nation/state whose borders I've crossed... Odd, is it not?

Posted by: Jess1 at April 22, 2013 01:27 PM (lbiWb)

80 wait, so the slaves jumped borders to get here? I never knew that. I always thought THEY WERE BROUGHT HERE IN CHAINS.
Posted by: separate at April 22, 2013 01:26 PM (6MvWq)


I thought that, too! Stupid me, eh? I guess the slaves were actually PAYING those ship captain coyotes to sail them across the Atlantic to start a new life in the New World. Who knew?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 01:28 PM (4df7R)

81 Hell who's the voice in the House opposing this? They're going to ram this fucker through.


----

Well ..... since they look all mean and conservativey after defeating the gun control bills..... they need SOMETHING to move to the left on.

Those cocktail parties dont attend themselves, dontchaknow.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 22, 2013 01:28 PM (nELVU)

82 I love it when the Republican Party calls me for money now.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 22, 2013 01:28 PM (8ZskC)

83 Yes! Thank God someone understands that the best way to win is by giving your opponents most of what they want in return for some unenforceable promises!

Posted by: mallfly at April 22, 2013 01:28 PM (bJm7W)

84 @69: Flatbush Joe AGAIN reads my mind...

In other news, I'm celebrating Earth Day by becoming a Certified Professional in Erosion Sediment Control. Now I can ravage Gaia with impunity!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 22, 2013 01:28 PM (wtvvX)

85 So it's like when you're being bull whipped and then
they put down the bull whip and pick up a belt to beat you with and
it's better.


Posted by: WalrusRex at April 22, 2013 01:24 PM (Hx5uv)


He seemed to talk a good game for a while and then decided to go full retard on this dumbass policy. To her credit, Tammy Bruce never trusted him just as she didn't fat fuck Christie.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2013 01:28 PM (LMc/u)

86 Jeff Sessions, while one of the most conservative voices in the Senate, is a horrible spokesman.

Posted by: lowandslow at April 22, 2013 01:28 PM (Fz2C7)

87 #39 Yes, that was me comparing the government's crappy search engine to eBay's, and eBay's wins.

Other crappy search engines are those used for the donations to candidates maintained by the FEC.

I believe the government believes the said crappiness is a feature, not a bug.

Regarding Rubio and the immigration bill: I never was that enthusiastic about him because basically all I was hearing was how he was a great speaker. Well, guess who else was touted as a great speaker.

I do not like to be flim-flammed. I also want to know why he threw his lot in with Schumer. My guess is threats (physical) or blackmail.

Posted by: Miss Marple at April 22, 2013 01:28 PM (GoIUi)

88 I was never on the Rubio bandwagon. The minute he won the Senate race people started talking about him being Presidential material. It seemed almost like the Obama cult of personality to me.

Posted by: rickl at April 22, 2013 01:28 PM (zoehZ)

89 Let's face it. We've been pilloried so long as racists, any brown-skinned or so-called "minority" Republican who can speak in relatively clear sentences is suddenly a candidate for President.

We're too desperate to be liked by people who hate us because we believe in working for a living and parenting our children. Screw that. We're right. They're wrong.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at April 22, 2013 01:28 PM (380tA)

90 Jeff Sessions just put out a release saying fuck that shit (I may be paraphrasing a bit).

Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 01:26 PM (VtjlW)

Please...God...let it be verbatim.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 22, 2013 01:29 PM (/WLC3)

91 Rubio changed.

He was corrupted, like all men, he was weak. He was seduced by those around him in Washington.



So he lasted, what, a year? Nice fucking backbone you got there Rubio.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:29 PM (da5Wo)

92 How exactly was Rubio pegged so wrong? Was it there and nobody wanted to see? Call it Exhibit A on why we can't rely on 'hero candidates' to get the job done, I suppose.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, no ampersand joke here at April 22, 2013 01:15 PM (fMiHM)


I don't think he was "pegged so wrong".
I always thought it was a (classic) case of comparing him to the competition.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at April 22, 2013 01:29 PM (Qxe/p)

93 It's 10:00 PM. Do you know where your slave is?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2013 01:29 PM (9Bj8R)

94 All right Florida, you have about 3 years to find a GOOD primary opponent.

Posted by: traye at April 22, 2013 01:29 PM (l/HR3)

95 44% of Hispanics oppose amnesty.

27% of Hispanics voted for Romney.

What. The. Fuck. Are. We. Doing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had such hopes for Rubio, but if he doesn't get a handle on this disaster he is fucked for good.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 22, 2013 01:30 PM (tVTLU)

96 nevergiveup

drinking my good tequila

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 22, 2013 01:30 PM (GVxQo)

97 Heh, Miss M. Compare our #87 and #88.

Posted by: rickl at April 22, 2013 01:30 PM (zoehZ)

98 Statist, just like so many other statists. Their goal is to maintain a lower class at the expense of the middle class to retain power. No different than Stalin hunting down the kulaks, the middle class of Russia. Urban lower classes are easy to lead by the nose, and will be loyal to the government that leads them. The middle class, not so much - they think for themselves and are more dispersed; harder to control, and thus must be stamped out.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2013 01:30 PM (HrBwt)

99 OT/

... the local radio station just played "Rock the Casbah". Haven't heard that in playlist for long time.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 22, 2013 01:30 PM (NersQ)

100 Marco Rubio reminds me of Mark Sanchez.

Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2013 01:31 PM (9XBK2)

101 I want my own version La Raza pushing back against amnesty.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 22, 2013 01:31 PM (wbmaj)

102 Ah, the RINO hunts are working perfectly: We have minorities (I mean number-wise) in the government AND we still can't trust who we elected! True Conservatism is so SMRT!

May I point out that over 90 percent of Rubio's PAC goes to his consultants? Like Huckabee and Palin?

Posted by: Shoot Me at April 22, 2013 01:31 PM (qiXMt)

103 Why would they hide the charges? Did they opt for charging him with a noise disturbance? Unlicensed tree-stump removal?


Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 22, 2013 01:25 PM (5Hl3g)


This and a lot of other sketchy shit was probably all hatched when Stedman the chinless wonder visited the JEF on Friday morning.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2013 01:31 PM (LMc/u)

104
Seeing on CCTV a small furry creature having sex with your garbage...changes a man...fundamentally.

Posted by: Marco 2.0 at April 22, 2013 01:31 PM (4I3Uo)

105 The proposed immigration compromise is just like slavery, which we all know is just. like. rape.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at April 22, 2013 01:31 PM (epxV4)

106 I wish I knew where MY slave was. It's a nice day outside and I'd like to take a walk, but what if my phone rings? No one here to answer it means I'll get in trouble!

Curse you, #ImaginarySlave!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 01:31 PM (4df7R)

107 "8
These people are citizens. OF OTHER COUNTRIES."

And most come from countries where they are entitled to free government healthcare. Need a doctor? GO HOME!

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at April 22, 2013 01:32 PM (ymovd)

108 Slaves? I wish. When I bullwhip my gardener it generates nothing but paperwork and police "investigations." And when I try to have sex with my hotel maid? Oh man, don't even get me started.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 22, 2013 01:32 PM (8ZskC)

109 Hmm. Which demographic is hardest hit by this travesty?

Posted by: Fritz at April 22, 2013 01:32 PM (gyDll)

110
78 Obama isn't running again, so I'd sit 2016 out if Rubio was the nominee. At least a Dem POTUS tells you before he screws you. Our guys smile while knifing us in the back.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 22, 2013 01:27 PM (kFnmp)


Sitting governor of a red or purple state(with results), or recently retired governor with his replacement still serving his first term for the nominee. Senators, Congressmen, and fat Obama cock sucking governors from New Jersey need not apply.

Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2013 01:32 PM (LI48c)

111 100 Marco Rubio reminds me of Mark Sanchez.

Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2013 01:31 PM (9XBK2)


And by extension, Tim Tebo :: Rand Paul

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at April 22, 2013 01:33 PM (Qxe/p)

112 Rubio lied, and more tragically, it looks as if he's an unprincipled opportunist, a guy who sold himself in his Senate race as a Tea Party candidate in order to harness conservative emnity against GOP Establishment candidate (and then-Republican) Charlie Crist and who now courts that same Establishment with his efforts on what amounts to blanket amnesty disguised as immigration reform. I've read reports that Rubio allowed himself to be played by Chuck Schumer, that the more experienced Schumer somehow manipulated Rubio into being the GOP front man for a deal no Republican voters wouldfall forotherwise. I don't buy it. Rubio's out for some of that sweet moderate cred, which will in turn buy him the Establishment support he will need should he run for president.

Like many other conservatives, I had high hopes for Rubio. I'm sorry he turned out so badly.

Posted by: troyriser at April 22, 2013 01:33 PM (vtiE6)

113 The problem is that you have some jackass political consultants and lobbyists running around DC selling a package of Doom demographics and polls. They are getting a push from the cheap labor crowd in agri-businesses and a handjob from the Chamber. This why the Pubs haven't told Obama and Schumer to just fuck off. There is inside pressure and a bunch of political phantasmagoria that is blinding them to the consequences.

Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2013 01:33 PM (VHfsw)

114 84 @69: Flatbush Joe AGAIN reads my mind...

In other news, I'm celebrating Earth Day by becoming a Certified Professional in Erosion Sediment Control. Now I can ravage Gaia with impunity!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 22, 2013 01:28 PM (wtvvX)

I have taken that online certification like 3 times. All you need to do is pop up another browser with teh study guide and edit search the questions it asks you.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at April 22, 2013 01:33 PM (++kZl)

115 Sitting governor of a red or purple state(with
results), or recently retired governor with his replacement still
serving his first term for the nominee. Senators, Congressmen, and fat
Obama cock sucking governors from New Jersey need not apply.

Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2013 01:32 PM (LI48c)


Uh...oh. I think you just described Jeb.

Posted by: Tami at April 22, 2013 01:33 PM (X6akg)

116 Sitting governor of a red or purple state(with
results), or recently retired governor with his replacement still
serving his first term for the nominee. Senators, Congressmen, and fat
Obama cock sucking governors from New Jersey need not apply.

Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2013 01:32 PM (LI48c)


Sooo.....Perry.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:33 PM (da5Wo)

117 Sitting governor of a red or purple state(with results), or recently
retired governor with his replacement still serving his first term for
the nominee. Senators, Congressmen, and fat Obama cock sucking governors
from New Jersey need not apply.


Yeah, kinda drawing a blank. Maybe someone will surprise us, but I'm pessimistic.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 22, 2013 01:33 PM (kFnmp)

118 @108 I LOLed.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 22, 2013 01:33 PM (wtvvX)

119 Rubio just wants to get re-elected.

Florida is trending Left.
Young cubans increasingly think socialism is a pretty cool idea -- it means we get to take money from all those old, racist white people, right?

Cubans are assimilating to the ideas of Mexicans because Mexicans dominate the #s and spanish language media.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 22, 2013 01:34 PM (ZPrif)

120 Their goal is to maintain a lower class at the expense of the middle class to retain power.
-
And, BTW Rubio and others, this game only lasts until the money from the middle class (and borrowing from other nations) runs out.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2013 01:34 PM (HrBwt)

121 Recent memorable quotes from Morons:
Look for Rubio to switch parties, he is just laying the groundwork.
And
US immigration policy should not be based on what's best for the Democrat party.

Posted by: real joe at April 22, 2013 01:34 PM (F4qFf)

122 I think it's clear that some attempt to get after who is in the country and perhaps some sort of status is ok. No welfare benefits whatsoever. Period. Nada.

But citizenship is a no go unless they follow the rules and go back home and apply. Fucking period.

PLUS, border security should be fucking done first and real border security, the shit that's in the bill is WEAKER than current fucking law. And to throw in a sweetner we should have nationwide voter ID as part of this bill for federal elections. Fucking period.

Some version of this I could support and would be common fucking sense. But we'll never see it with Schumer and Durbin behind the scenes...

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 22, 2013 01:34 PM (tVTLU)

123 Was it mama winger or Miss Marple on an earlier thread who said we need to find out why the FBI's search engine is less effective than fucking eBay's?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 01:21 PM (4df7R)


-----------------------------------------------


The fed system is always running 15 - 20 years behind the civilian technology. The FBI search engine is probably still running on DOS.

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2013 01:34 PM (l5qqw)

124 Who do we have on our "side" that we can remotely trust? Is there a single one? Let's go back a couple of years... "Ohhhhh, Rubio.... Ohhhhhhhhh, Christie......"

Fat McCain, Hispanic McCain. Fuck.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 22, 2013 01:35 PM (Lq5WC)

125
"Please...God...let it be verbatim"
Wow. Blast from the past there - they still in business?

Posted by: Jess1 at April 22, 2013 01:35 PM (lbiWb)

126 Grassley and Cruz are fighting this. Rand asked for a delay until the American people were focused on it after Boston.

Posted by: Truman North at April 22, 2013 01:36 PM (F0T44)

127 A federal magistrate judge was present during the arraignment of Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev on Monday, Gary Wente, circuit executive for the U.S. Courts for the First Circuit, told Reuters. Tsarnaev was arraigned in his hospital bed where is still considered in “serious” condition.

Well so much for questioning him. I need a massage now. Now where did I put that slave of mine?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2013 01:36 PM (9Bj8R)

128 @114 Mr. Pink: I had to take the test in person, with a proctor. The test wasn't so bad, but the paperwork they wanted was worse than when I applied for my PE...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 22, 2013 01:36 PM (wtvvX)

129 109 Hmm. Which demographic is hardest hit by this travesty?
Posted by: Fritz at April 22, 2013 01:32 PM (gyDll)

Yep. This is the way to attack it. How can we consider adding 11M workers with African-American unemployment running at 15points higher then white unemployment? It's racist.

Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2013 01:36 PM (VHfsw)

130
"The fed system is always running 15 - 20 years behind the civilian technology"
Don't forget "and at 10X the price".

Posted by: Jess1 at April 22, 2013 01:36 PM (lbiWb)

131 The first 500 names in the local phone book could do a way better job of governance, and they would do it for free.

I fully support the dictatorship of guys whose last name starts with A.
Always closest to the homeroom door in case of fire.

Posted by: DaveA at April 22, 2013 01:37 PM (DL2i+)

132 Well, we have a cohort of people living here now who are without full citizenship rights.

*blink*

Posted by: Gun-Owners at April 22, 2013 01:37 PM (FcR7P)

133 The fed system is always running 15 - 20 years behind the civilian
technology. The FBI search engine is probably still running on DOS.


Philly PD is currently using Windows XP. To the future!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 22, 2013 01:37 PM (kFnmp)

134 Sooo.....Perry.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:33 PM (da5Wo)



I will give Perry this, he's right, I am a heartless cunning stunt.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 01:37 PM (VtjlW)

135 At this point, I want all bills coming out of the Senate to die horribly. The content doesn't matter. Kill all the bills.

Posted by: sans_sheriff at April 22, 2013 01:38 PM (Lljg2)

136 How are you gonna deny them welfare?

Buddy of mine is ER doc in LA. Illegals just show up at his hospital. He treats them. They don't pay. They never pay.

They keep showing up though.

My buddy gets paid though. He gets paid a lot -- mainly by the state of California. And about half the time he's treating illegals who don't pay shit.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 22, 2013 01:38 PM (ZPrif)

137 Americans break the law, there are Penalties , Fines and for Fraud and stealing money via the govt as with welfare, food stamps, housing, we'd Probably end up in Jail.


this is rewarding those who trespassed and committed fraud.


and now i will say that in and of itself isn't 'fair'

Posted by: willow at April 22, 2013 01:38 PM (nqBYe)

138 I will give Perry this, he's right, I am a heartless cunning stunt. Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 01:37 PM (VtjlW)

Not in my book.

Lemon bar?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 22, 2013 01:39 PM (sbV1u)

139 Sweet flying fuck, we would be more in line with hispanics on an issueif we were strongly against amnesty.

This is about the stupidest plan ever. Dear GOP, can you please fucking look at Cali. Dead to you for 20+ years. THERE IS A REASON.

The simple fact is that the GOP establishment doesn't want to do the hard ground work to bring hispanics into the party. Period. They think these kind of bullshit issues will work rather than get the fuck out in the community.

Dems have their knives out and are just waiting. I believe Rubio has good intentions but who the fuck could even stand hanging out with Durbin?? his workout partner...

As much as I dislike it, identity politics matter (and frankly always have), and GOP needs to acknowledge that. But this is not the way to go.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 22, 2013 01:39 PM (tVTLU)

140 " How can we consider adding 11M workers with African-American
unemployment running at 15points higher then white unemployment? It's
racist."

Actually, thanks to JEF, they don't need jobs anymore. Jugears McFuckstick is their sugar daddy!!

Freebaggers, baby!!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at April 22, 2013 01:39 PM (wtvvX)

141 The fed system is always running 15 - 20 years behind the civilian technology. The FBI search engine is probably still running on DOS.
Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2013 01:34 PM (l5qqw)


DOS? Far too advanced. My money's on smoke signals. Lizzy Warren feels right at home.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 01:39 PM (4df7R)

142 Remember how I brought up that Gabe was kneecapping our side for the sake of a phony honesty over the MacoPhone deal? He was really flogging that story on the twitter.

Turns out--surprise, surprise--the MarcoPhone is still in the bill and was as reported: A free cell phone to anyone within 100 miles of the border.
It says, to qualify: "lacks cellular service" not "lacks _access to_ cellular service."

How do you like that? You pay your fucking taxes, you follow the law and the guy that breaks the law to get here gets a free cell phone--paid for by you--when he crosses the border along with his amnesty.

And if you're Chechen, handy for use in your next bomb.

Like I said: I'd rather be a free man asking for forgiveness than a slave asking for permission. Being honest only works if you are dealing with honest people: We are not dealing with honest people and we don't need anyone on our "side" lying about us either.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 22, 2013 01:40 PM (VjL9S)

143 If the government won't enforce the laws on illegal immigrations, why do hospitals believe they will enforce the laws requiring them to treat illegal aliens?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2013 01:40 PM (HrBwt)

144
115 Sitting governor of a red or purple state(with results), or recently retired governor with his replacement still serving his first term for the nominee. Senators, Congressmen, and fat Obama cock sucking governors from New Jersey need not apply. Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2013 01:32 PM (LI48c) Uh...oh. I think you just described Jeb.
Posted by: Tami at April 22, 2013 01:33 PM (X6akg)


Read it again. "Replacement still serving first term" eliminates Jeb.

Sooo.....Perry.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:33 PM (da5Wo)


Perry fits. So would Scott Walker. So would Jindal. So would Mitch Daniels.

Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2013 01:40 PM (LI48c)

145 I would like Rubio and 'friends' to lay out what is actually beneficial to America ?

Posted by: willow at April 22, 2013 01:40 PM (nqBYe)

146 Don't worry, the FBI and CIA and Big Sis will root out all the bad guys in their "investigations"!

Posted by: PJ at April 22, 2013 01:40 PM (ZWaLo)

147 Wait, Conn Carroll is pushing my idea!

Go me?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 22, 2013 01:40 PM (FsUAO)

148 Trying the Boston Bombers in civilian court?

I fail to see the problem with that.

Posted by: O.J. Simpson at April 22, 2013 01:41 PM (7ObY1)

149 The FBI search engine is probably still running on DOS.


Let's hope the IRS system is also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2013 01:41 PM (9Bj8R)

150 Conant scored an own goal. Sheesh.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 22, 2013 01:41 PM (BAS5M)

151 I never was on the Rubio bandwagon (hated Crist though) and this just cements my feeling that he is what most in the Senate are - politicians at heart. Ron Johnson, Tim Scott and Ted Cruz are the last bastions of civil servants serving their constituents.

Posted by: pforeman at April 22, 2013 01:41 PM (ge1dt)

152 But citizenship is a no go unless they follow the rules and go back home and apply. Fucking period.




I need some of the "we can never deport these people" explain to me just how this is gonna work.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2013 01:41 PM (LMc/u)

153
"My money's on smoke signals. Lizzy Warren feels right at home."
Wasn't she tracking the Boston Manglers for the PD?

Posted by: Jess1 at April 22, 2013 01:41 PM (lbiWb)

154 I will give Perry this, he's right, I am a heartless cunning stunt.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 01:37 PM (VtjlW)




*shrug*



I've been called worse.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:41 PM (da5Wo)

155 Thank you, Bannion.

*noms*

Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 01:41 PM (VtjlW)

156 The important question for Republicans is what's the best way to give amnesty to 15m illegals and make sure Texas and Florida vote Democrat for the next 40 years?

Cause it'd be super-awesome if California, Texas, Florida, Texas, and Illinois all automatically vote Democrat and we have no hope of ever winning another election again in our fucking lives.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 22, 2013 01:42 PM (ZPrif)

157 Why would they hide the charges? Did they opt for charging him with a noise disturbance? Unlicensed tree-stump removal?

"Harshing King Barry's Mellow".

Posted by: The List of Charges at April 22, 2013 01:42 PM (B/VB5)

158 So would Mitch Daniels.


Too nice.

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 01:42 PM (GQ8sn)

159 CA, TX, Fl, NY, and IL.
Screwed up my own joke.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 22, 2013 01:42 PM (ZPrif)

160 Carney: Boston Terror Attack Another Reason To Pass Amnesty, “Will Enhance National Security”…

Please, don’t insult our intelligence.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2013 01:42 PM (9Bj8R)

161 Flatbush Joe,

Definitely agreed on that point. But that ain't gonna change with a bill or without a bill. We are at least that humane, even though they take rampant advantage of that.

It's other types of welfare that I'm more concerned about them jumping on... Hell, even zerocare, SS and medicare... We can pay for US citizens. How in the fuck are we going to deal with all the rest.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 22, 2013 01:42 PM (tVTLU)

162 If African Americans haven't turned against the Dems over high unemployment and reduction in net worth etc the certainly wont break with them over amnesty.

Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2013 01:43 PM (9XBK2)

163 151 I never was on the Rubio bandwagon (hated Crist though) and this just cements my feeling that he is what most in the Senate are - politicians at heart. Ron Johnson, Tim Scott and Ted Cruz are the last bastions of civil servants serving their constituents.

Posted by: pforeman at April 22, 2013 01:41 PM (ge1dt)

pro-tip: They're going to break your heart too.

Don't get attached to any politician.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 22, 2013 01:43 PM (FsUAO)

164 Try Cafe Rio (chain) - they have a very tasty
horchata, along with a fantastic mint and lime combo, a fantastic
Strawberry lemonade, and "Southwest Limeade". I'm thirsty. Posted by: Jess1 at April 22, 2013 01:21 PM (lbiWb)


Thanks so much, now I'm craving their mint lemonade! Ambrosia in a cup.


I think Rubio got as far as he did because he is able to articulate conservative ideals, even complex ones, brilliantly. But what's the point of being able to say them if you don't believe them, and don't match your actions to your beliefs? He is acting like a naive newcomer to politics, believing both the enforcement part of the bill will actually happen (which is idiotic), and that somehow a whole group of people here for the freebies will suddenly become conservatives. But he doesn't strike me as naive. Do the dems have something they are holding over him that we don't know about, they might be using now to force him to pimp out the bill? There was a lot of saber rattling on the left when he was a VP choice that they had dirt on him, but no such info never came to light. Maybe there IS something there after all? If so, what?

Posted by: LizLem at April 22, 2013 01:43 PM (8wqqE)

165 Buddy of mine is ER doc in LA. Illegals just show up at his hospital. He treats them. They don't pay. They never pay.



They keep showing up though.

***

My brother-in-law, who, like my sister, is an Obamabot, was infuriated that the college he works for was sued under the ADA for failing to provide enough bandwidth for a video game addict to indulge. He said what we need is personal responsibility. He, and my sister, are apparently immune to the fact that the political philosophy they subscribe to punishes personal responsibility and rewards parasitism. Nobody ever minds until their ox is getting gored.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 22, 2013 01:44 PM (Hx5uv)

166
158
So would Mitch Daniels.

-----------------------------

Too nice.


Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 01:42 PM (GQ8sn)


Yeah, I'm sick of nice. We play nice and polite and they cut our balls off with a butter knife.

I want a mean sonofabitch to be our next nominee.


Are we sure we can't get Darth Cheney another heart?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:44 PM (da5Wo)

167 what is heartless about asking illegal folks to actually come through the front door?

Why do we persist in allowing cheap labor for cheapskates at the cost to taxpayers to actually fill needs of illegals?

why does everyone forget other country's also have immigration laws , so that they also know who is there?

Posted by: willow at April 22, 2013 01:44 PM (nqBYe)

168 Steely, just have to embarrass the white guys pushing this, Tim Scott would be excellent at this.

Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2013 01:44 PM (VHfsw)

169 I also have no heart and would gladly ship every man,woman and child back down to Mexico.

Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2013 01:44 PM (9XBK2)

170 Boston bomber's last words: ‘Mama, I love you’
Zubeidat Tsarnaev says Tamerlan was frightened, and like her husband, believes her sons were framed. The FBI checked him, she says, because ‘he loved Islam,’ and that he ‘didn't do anything bad.’



Yeah Yeah yeah, cry me a river. Hey where are my pork chops?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2013 01:44 PM (9Bj8R)

171
Carney: Boston Terror Attack Another Reason To Pass Amnesty, “Will Enhance National Security”…



Please, don’t insult our intelligence.


***

Why not? It's always worked before.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 22, 2013 01:45 PM (Hx5uv)

172 destroy the INS the clear the entire planet American citizens problem solved

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 22, 2013 01:45 PM (uGzsv)

173 Buddy of mine is ER doc in LA. Illegals just show up at his hospital. He treats them. They don't pay. They never pay.


They keep showing up though.



I wonder why.

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 01:45 PM (GQ8sn)

174 nevermind.

we cannot reach our 'betters'


alex, tea.

Posted by: willow at April 22, 2013 01:45 PM (nqBYe)

175 I do not believe Rubio is naive nor do I believe he is being used. I believe, as I have stated here before, that he is an opportunistic little shit who can't be trusted.

And I am his constituent.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2013 01:46 PM (piMMO)

176 Primary Rubio in Florida?

I know how this ends, Senator Alan Grayson.

Posted by: Beagle at April 22, 2013 01:46 PM (sOtz/)

177 Why doesn't California bill Mexico?

Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2013 01:46 PM (VHfsw)

178 I work in medical records in Massachusetts. Every night, our hospital discharges a few new moms and their babies. Funny thing, the moms were all born outside the USA. This happens every night, year round. This is only one hospital. No wonder we are broke. No wonder the democrats want to increase taxes in Massachusetts. They need the middle class to pay for all their foreign voters, because remaining in power is more important than what happens to the USA.

Posted by: Nanny Hag at April 22, 2013 01:46 PM (39IHH)

179
EC; "I wonder why."
Agreed. I'd start asking questions if they stopped coming...

Posted by: Jess1 at April 22, 2013 01:47 PM (lbiWb)

180 44% of Hispanics oppose amnesty.



27% of Hispanics voted for Romney.
===========
And don't forget: that percentage was driven lower deliberately by Rubio. He--that fuck--was the one that brought up immigration during the campaign. No one but no one was talking about it until he brought it up.

Just like that fuck Christi, Rubio is as much to blame for the Romney loss.

And--that shitheel couldn't even deliver FL to the R column.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 22, 2013 01:47 PM (VjL9S)

181 Yep. This is the way to attack it. How can we consider adding 11M workers with African-American unemployment running at 15points higher then white unemployment? It's racist.
Posted by: Jean at April 22, 2013 01:36 PM (VHfsw)


The left will counter with, "Adding all these new people will be GREAT for teh economy, and a real boost to the middle class!"

"How?" you can ask. "How can granting citizenship to tens of millions ofillegals make the economy betterIN ANY WAY ? The economy is already in the shitter WITH these people living and working (or not working) here illegally. Will waving the magic wand of citizenship make these individuals into middle class small businessmen and women? Will they be able to add capital and talent to the labor pool in sufficient numbers to kickstart the engine of economic growth such that the millions of Americans currently out of work will be able to find good jobs again? If so, how? Where? In what fields? HOW WILL THIS HELP ANYONE BUT DEMOCRATS DURING ELECTION SEASON?"

"It just will!" will be the left's answer. And the dumbfuck mouthbreathers in the electorate will believe them, because they are dumbfuck mouthbreathers.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 01:47 PM (4df7R)

182 Son of a bitch--

Boston suspect mirandized.

Looks like the Obama Administration wants to play-

Russian Roulette.

Here's hoping they are right and nothing else comes up later that was connected.

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 01:48 PM (r2PLg)

183 If our betters actually cared about the plight of the poor, or security of the countries fiscal health.
they would have spent the time, leaning on Mexico's govt to provide an environment to a healthy country that is self supporting.

instead we get countries throwing off their obligations to their citizenry on other countries.


Posted by: willow at April 22, 2013 01:48 PM (nqBYe)

184
#164,
Yes, it is. Lightly spiced with a splash of Rum. Yum.

Posted by: Jess1 at April 22, 2013 01:48 PM (lbiWb)

185 I do not believe Rubio is naive nor do I believe he is being used. I believe, as I have stated here before, that he is an opportunistic little shit who can't be trusted.

And I am his constituent.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2013 01:46 PM (piMMO)

Yeah. Hey I'll still trade you Rubio for one of mine straight up: Menendez or Lautenberg. And I'll throw in NY Jet season tickets

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2013 01:48 PM (9Bj8R)

186
These senators like Rubio, McCain, Alexander, Graham, Murkowski etc should all just go ahead and switch parties already.

When the White House is gonna spend alot of time pushing it, we obviously no who the bill is going to benefit.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 22, 2013 01:48 PM (jKWYf)

187 How can we consider adding 11M workers with African-American
unemployment running at 15points higher then white unemployment? It's
racist.


To be fair, only about a third of them will actually be "workers." The rest will be dependents, criminals, and/or freeloaders.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 22, 2013 01:48 PM (/kI1Q)

188 I want a mean sonofabitch to be our next nominee.


I think that's poor optics, but I get what you're saying. I would rather our candidate be 'mean' in the realm of idea jousting. I want someone with the wit of Dennis Miller after a 12 hour nap and two...no three scotches. I want a Greg Gutfeld type that will use his verbal skills like a prison shank.

In other words...


...I want EoJ.

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 01:49 PM (GQ8sn)

189 Received a mailer/fundraiser from Rubio end of last week. I can't be sure which since I didn't open it, but it was from him. Now I just can't decide whether I a) toss it in the trash, b) shred it first, c) write "Return to Sender" and put it back in the mailbox, d) use it as the center of a makeshift dartboard, or e) sock it away to be used as kindling as "Let It Burn" really kicks in.

Decisions, decisions.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 22, 2013 01:49 PM (eHIJJ)

190 142

Awww, did the "very important clique" (who demands accuracy in reporting) upset Brietbart's family again?

Posted by: Shoot Me at April 22, 2013 01:49 PM (qiXMt)

191 To be fair, only about a third of them will actually be "workers." The rest will be dependents, criminals, and/or freeloaders.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 22, 2013 01:48 PM (/kI1Q)


That was racist.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:49 PM (da5Wo)

192 hero to zero in a few short months

Posted by: Dale Gribble at April 22, 2013 01:50 PM (WyRZF)

193 Bush's immigration plan was a reasonable plan in my opinion. It was demonized exactly because the face of the plan was McCain and Graham who did nothing but have those that might be on the fence dig in their heels.

This present plan is ten times worse than what the criticsraised about the Bush plan.It should die an ugly death.

Posted by: polynikes at April 22, 2013 01:50 PM (m2CN7)

194 Drew M has a known history of hatin' on immigrants and loving on young, lovely lads. But I'm going to keep the debate above board and note he believes sleeping women give consent for sex with non-verbal cues like snoring, or not snoring. Did I mention he goes both ways? No? Well, I'll not stoop to his level and point that out.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 22, 2013 01:50 PM (3+QKS)

195 I think that's poor optics, but I get what you're
saying. I would rather our candidate be 'mean' in the realm of idea
jousting. I want someone with the wit of Dennis Miller after a 12 hour
nap and two...no three scotches. I want a Greg Gutfeld type that will
use his verbal skills like a prison shank.

In other words...


...I want EoJ.


Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 01:49 PM (GQ8sn)


I repeat, a mean sonofabitch.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:50 PM (da5Wo)

196 I think Rubio honestly believes amnesty will help Republicans.

But politicians are very good at honestly believing things that will get them re-elected.

I believe politicians in Iowa honesty believe ethanol is not a scam.

The mind is flexible. The political mind doubly so.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 22, 2013 01:50 PM (ZPrif)

197 186
These senators like Rubio, McCain, Alexander, Graham, Murkowski etc should all just go ahead and switch parties already.

When the White House is gonna spend alot of time pushing it, we obviously no who the bill is going to benefit.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 22, 2013 01:48 PM (jKWYf)


If, somehow, Republicans retake the Senate in 2014: COUNT ON IT.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at April 22, 2013 01:50 PM (Qxe/p)

198 no = know. damn.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 22, 2013 01:50 PM (jKWYf)

199 To be fair, only about a third of them will actually be "workers." The rest will be dependents, criminals, and/or freeloaders.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 22, 2013 01:48 PM (/kI1Q)--- Well ok, thats better

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 22, 2013 01:50 PM (R8hU8)

200 Too nice.Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 01:42 PM (GQ8sn) Yeah, I'm sick of nice. We play nice and polite and they cut our balls off with a butter knife.I want a mean sonofabitch to be our next nominee. Are we sure we can't get Darth Cheney another heart?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:44 PM (da5Wo)


Perhaps too nice. But he wouldn't be my first choice either. But I'm saying I want a governor with results. Actual conservative results. Not "I worked with the democrats in my state to pass bullshit bipartisan crap that does nothing." Daniels has results which puts him head and shoulders above any senator. And I want to use that as my own personal cut off point.

Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2013 01:51 PM (LI48c)

201 Wow....those charges weren't sealed for long......



http://tinyurl.com/br5xnnm

Posted by: Tami at April 22, 2013 01:51 PM (X6akg)

202 Like that's a bad thing. I wish I could get my workplace to switch back to XP. Windows 7 is trash.
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 22, 2013 01:50 PM (LROPO)

then I am going to go out on a limb and guess you have no ideas about the horrors of Windows 8 yet ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2013 01:51 PM (9Bj8R)

203
I think Rubio honestly believes amnesty will help Republicans.


-- Then he is a stupid MF and needs to be mocked

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 22, 2013 01:51 PM (R8hU8)

204 No wonder the democrats want to increase taxes in Massachusetts. They need the middle class to pay for all their foreign voters, because remaining in power is more important than what happens to the USA.

Posted by: Nanny Hag at April 22, 2013 01:46 PM (39IHH)

-
This times 1000

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2013 01:52 PM (HrBwt)

205
182
Boston suspect mirandized.

I'm alright with this. Sure, it only took Americans being killed by a muzzie immigrant to get the Obumble admin to obey the fucking law, but at least they finally have.

Posted by: Bigby's Hearty Handshake at April 22, 2013 01:52 PM (3ZtZW)

206 I repeat, a mean sonofabitch.

Imagine how good he would do if we cleaned him up, made him wear a suit, and told him to use nice words instead of potty words!

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 01:52 PM (GQ8sn)

207 That was racist.

No it wasn't. Illegally-resident foreign nationals come from every continent.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 22, 2013 01:52 PM (/kI1Q)

208 201 Wow....those charges weren't sealed for long......



http://tinyurl.com/br5xnnm
Posted by: Tami at April 22, 2013 01:51 PM (X6akg)

****

Thanks --off to check it out.

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 01:53 PM (r2PLg)

209 I bet Senator Rubio's garbage is feeling awful lonely right now.

Posted by: blaster at April 22, 2013 01:53 PM (pZDxu)

210
"Wow....those charges weren't sealed for long......"
Wow is right. Someone will get fired, er, have a sternly worded letter placed in their file for letting that slip.

Posted by: Jess1 at April 22, 2013 01:53 PM (lbiWb)

211 Daniels has results which puts him head and shoulders above any
senator. And I want to use that as my own personal cut off point.


I think Walker is a better example. The only thing the state Dems haven't tried yet is putting out a contract on him.

And they'd still fail!

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 01:53 PM (GQ8sn)

212 Thank you, willow.


In further kids these days news, people don't know that referring to someone as Master Smith means that the person is a minor? Really?

Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 01:54 PM (VtjlW)

213 Are we sure we can't get Darth Cheney another heart?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:44 PM (da5Wo)

I love Dick Cheney and consider him to be one of the greatest living Americans but doubt his health and age would allow him to step back into the ring. However,have you ever watched his daughter Liz on one of the talking head shows? While Liz lacks her father's evil awesomeness, she does have the ability to eviscerate with her eyes and has been known to invite personal enemies on duck hunting expeditions.

Posted by: troyriser at April 22, 2013 01:54 PM (vtiE6)

214 Boston suspect mirandized.

Forgot about us already? That was fast.

Posted by: Victims of 9/11 at April 22, 2013 01:54 PM (feFL6)

215 Captain Hate:

Just leave it as is. No citizenship unless you go back home and apply per law.

Period. End of fucking story. No need to deport anyone. If you want to be a citizen, then follow the fucking law.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 22, 2013 01:54 PM (tVTLU)

216 Why would they hide the charges? Did they opt for charging him with a noise disturbance? Unlicensed tree-stump removal?

Worse: LITTERING

Posted by: Truman North at April 22, 2013 01:55 PM (F0T44)

217 As much as I dislike it, identity politics matter (and frankly always have), and GOP needs to acknowledge that. But this is not the way to go.

Yo p11... There IS no GOP.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 22, 2013 01:55 PM (Lq5WC)

218 In further kids these days news, people don't know that referring to
someone as Master Smith means that the person is a minor? Really?


Minor what?

Posted by: Master Yoda at April 22, 2013 01:55 PM (/kI1Q)

219 It's actually somewhat painful to admit as a new Florida resident, anxiously awaiting the next Senate primaries...

Allen West, LtC, USA (Ret.)...he may be my only hope.

Posted by: akula51 at April 22, 2013 01:55 PM (Vgn84)

220 In further kids these days news, people don't know
that referring to someone as Master Smith means that the person is a
minor? Really?





Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 01:54 PM (VtjlW)


*raises hand*

I did not.


And really? We only filed two charges against the fuckstick? Wow.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:55 PM (da5Wo)

221 The race card--it's the only card they have that they can play.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 22, 2013 01:55 PM (xjpRj)

222 No wonder the democrats want to increase taxes in Massachusetts. They need the middle class to pay for all their foreign voters, because remaining in power is more important than what happens to the USA.

Posted by: Nanny Hag at April 22, 2013 01:46 PM (39IHH)



-
And not just the democrats.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2013 01:56 PM (HrBwt)

223 Imagine how good he would do if we cleaned him up, made him wear a suit, and told him to use nice words instead of potty words!
Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 01:52 PM (GQ8sn) /i]

Ah, but then you encounter the philosophical quandary: If an EOJ engaged in political discourse never once utters the term "bitch wrinkle," is it still an EOJ?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 01:56 PM (4df7R)

224
How many will be workers is irrelevant.

How many will be voters is the key number.

Marco Rubio is either stupider than the day is long or just another lying backstabber like McCain, Graham and the rest of our so-called Republicans.

I'm going with lying backstabber. I wonder how much they paid him to get his support and vote? And this is RAMPANT in a certain sector of the Republican party. I keep hearing Larry Kudlow speaking for the "business leaders" of the Republican party pushing "another path to citizenship".

All you people with plans to go to Texas? Think again. Unless you can turn it FAST and actually separate from the US, the window will close within 10 years after this passes. Then Texas will be Democrat and never come back. This is baked into the pie.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense at..... at April 22, 2013 01:56 PM (RFeQD)

225 The left will counter with, "Adding all these new people will be GREAT for teh economy, and a real boost to the middle class!"
======

Did you ever read that article on that whole town that was on food stamps?

Yeah, and the Hispanic surname with a 100% of not-in-legal-resident-status.

Like Global Warming; Amnesty will solve ALL our problems!!

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 22, 2013 01:56 PM (VjL9S)

226 2 charges!!??

Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2013 01:56 PM (9XBK2)

227 221 The race card--it's the only card they have that they can play.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 22, 2013 01:55 PM (xjpRj)


How many race cards are in the deck?

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at April 22, 2013 01:56 PM (Qxe/p)

228 Forgot about us already? That was fast.Posted by: Victims of 9/11 at April 22, 2013 01:54 PM (feFL6)


--- Speaking of that, how much compensation will the victims et al get ?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 22, 2013 01:57 PM (R8hU8)

229 I had a feeling amnesty would die in a clusterfuck when Obama made it his priority.

Good to see Rubio's people doing what they can to kill this through demogoging their critics.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at April 22, 2013 01:57 PM (Jh9QN)

230 I'm on tablet, what site has charges? Can't click links.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 22, 2013 01:57 PM (ZshNr)

231 We're all citizens of the world.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at April 22, 2013 01:57 PM (vbh31)

232 170 Boston bomber's last words: ‘Mama, I love you’

Oh, is that what "Allahu Akbar" means?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 22, 2013 01:57 PM (Lq5WC)

233 How many race cards are in the deck?Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at April 22, 2013 01:56 PM (Qxe/p)


-- 57

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 22, 2013 01:57 PM (R8hU8)

234

>>>Minor what?

Minor Threat

/sit in the same room, we look the other way, fuck conversation, we got nothing to say

Posted by: Bigby's Hearty Handshake at April 22, 2013 01:58 PM (3ZtZW)

235 Looks like they have cell phone evidence and video tape from the Forum restaurant.

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 01:58 PM (r2PLg)

236 Morsi: Don’t expect improvement in Israel ties
Egyptian president says won't host any Israeli leader until peace with Palestinians achieved
jn1.tv
Published: 04.22.13, 17:39 / Israel News



Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi has said he won't visit Israel, nor would he host an Israeli leader in Egypt, before peace is achieved between Israel and the Palestinians.

Another Foreign Policy victory for obama and that brain surgeon kerry

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2013 01:58 PM (9Bj8R)

237
Well, we have a cohort of people living here now who are without full citizenship rights.







Several different categories worth, the largest of which we call "children".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 22, 2013 01:58 PM (TIIx5)

238 In further kids these days news, people don't know that referring to someone as Master Smith means that the person is a minor? Really? Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:55 PM (da5Wo)

No, they don't know that.

They think that's the Nom de Sade of their BDSM "friend"

Amazing the things you learn teaching at a university....

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 22, 2013 01:59 PM (sbV1u)

239 230 I'm on tablet, what site has charges? Can't click links.
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 22, 2013 01:57 PM (ZshNr)


***

Wall Street Journal online

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 01:59 PM (r2PLg)

240 time for an emergency cute-break to lower our blood pressure

http://t.co/AkMtflDFuY

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2013 01:59 PM (piMMO)

241
230
I'm on tablet, what site has charges? Can't click links.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 22, 2013 01:57 PM (ZshNr)


WSJ.

He's being charged with "using and conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction, resulting in death" and "malicious destruction of property by means of an explosive device, resulting in death".

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:59 PM (da5Wo)

242 Wow is right. Someone will get fired, er, have a sternly worded letter placed in their file for letting that slip.
Posted by: Jess1 at April 22, 2013 01:53 PM (lbiWb)



Forgetting to ticky the ticky box that this is a sealed filing when filing electronically is very easy to do. I've been told. By other people. Who are not me.


*raises hand*

I did not.


And really? We only filed two charges against the fuckstick? Wow.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 01:55 PM (da5Wo)



As I said, kids these days.

And yup, only two charges, though the first one is a bitch.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 01:59 PM (VtjlW)

243 Ah, but then you encounter the philosophical quandary: If an EOJ
engaged in political discourse never once utters the term "bitch
wrinkle," is it still an EOJ?



Anyone can swear or curse with interesting vulgar word choices. That's easy. It's the sign of a true wordsmith that can do the same without once uttering a profanity, yet manages to still inflict the equivalent of a verbal blade right into the ballsack.

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 01:59 PM (GQ8sn)

244
Eh, I won't be voting for the federal offices in any other election unless I believe there is a second Ted Cruz type around. And even then I don't know that even he won't eventually be corrupted.

There really is only one party on the federal level. And its not a conservative one.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 22, 2013 01:59 PM (jKWYf)

245 Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree 1m
13 page complaint says younger Tsarnaev is seen on security footage of Forum restaurant dropping second bomb off

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2013 02:00 PM (piMMO)

246 115
Sitting governor of a red or purple state(with

results), or recently retired governor with his replacement still

serving his first term for the nominee. Senators, Congressmen, and fat

Obama cock sucking governors from New Jersey need not apply.


Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2013 01:32 PM (LI48c)
Uh...oh. I think you just described Jeb.
Posted by: Tami at April 22, 2013 01:33 PM (X6akg)


Ugh, did anyone else read Dubya and Laura Bush's interview in Parade magazine this week? It was half about the Bush library opening this week, and half about how Jeb would be the PERFECT presidential candidate. NO. Just NO.


Irony of ironies: the interviewer asked how they thought Jeb running would fly for the public, since "Americans don't believe in dynasties." I swear, they had the GALL to say that. Had I been drinking something I would have spit it out. There is a certain American family, Starts with K and ends with Ennedy, that might disagree. And laugh at you. But go ahead and believe that.

Posted by: LizLem at April 22, 2013 02:00 PM (8wqqE)

247 OT:

The charges against The (Alleged) Boston Bomber (see how I covered my ass there) have been unsealed. Legal Insurrection has a post about it.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 22, 2013 02:01 PM (Dcokn)

248 He's being charged with "using and conspiring to use a weapon of mass
destruction, resulting in death" and "malicious destruction of property
by means of an explosive device, resulting in death".



What about, you know...'terrorism'?

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:01 PM (GQ8sn)

249 And yup, only two charges, though the first one is a bitch.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 01:59 PM (VtjlW)



Know what I don't see? Murder.

The charge isn't actually murder, it's the use of a device or the destruction of property that results in death.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 02:01 PM (da5Wo)

250 226 2 charges!!??
Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2013 01:56 PM (9XBK2)

**********

Well since they Mirandized him....

I guess they didn't want to "buy insurance".

Not the way I would have done it playing worse case scenario as in --what is the downside to being wrong in that there will not be something that pops up later that is related--and or associated and just the damn long odds.

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 02:01 PM (r2PLg)

251 How many race cards are in the deck?
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at April 22, 2013 01:56 PM (Qxe/p)

52 unless you need more. Kind of like the casinos going from 2 decks to 6 decks in blackjack because they needed to.

Posted by: polynikes at April 22, 2013 02:01 PM (m2CN7)

252 Daniels has results which puts him head and
shoulders above any senator. And I want to use that as my own personal
cut off point.

Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2013 01:51 PM (LI48c)


Daniels will never run because his runaway bride would be subject #1 for the donk cult of personal destruction. He'd be a great choice but there's no way he's going through that. And yes, whoever the nominee is better fucking A well not come from the Senate.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2013 02:01 PM (LMc/u)

253 Don't we still have permanent resident aliens who are not actually citizens? Are they slaves too?

Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 01:15 PM (VtjlW)

Yes, apparently my brother and I are slaves.

And as someone who comes from a family where we dotted every i and crossed every t to come here and stay legally, a highly educated family that is an asset to this country, this whole affair enrages me.

Most of you don't know how hard it is for people to get US visas at US embassies around the world. My brother and I were renewing our H1-Bs once when one particular interviewer rejected every single person that went before her while we were there.

As a non-citizen, America owes me nothing and I don't have an inalienable right to be here. Having said that, this bill is spitting in the face of all of us who went through the trouble of doing the right thing to be here.

They're not talking about importing the best and the brightest from around the world like other non-suicidal countries. They are bending over backwards to pander to lawbreakers who will only prove to be leeches sucking the lifeblood from society.

Oh, and I was willing to give Rubio (not the immigration bill) a chance, but after the interviews of him I heard on Rush and Levin last week, he's dead to me now.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2013 02:02 PM (6zgse)

254 Interesting - the Federal charge of use of WMD (yes, I know, it isn't chemical or nuke, but it is the law. Any explosive is a WMD under the law) carries the death penalty. But the State of Massachusetts also has three or four felony murder counts they can hang on him, plus, of course, not having registered their handguns.

Posted by: blaster at April 22, 2013 02:02 PM (pZDxu)

255 Indictments are unsealed at arraignment. He was arraigned in the hospital bed.As a result of him being arraigned: now it's lawyer time, no more interrogation, no enemy combatant status.
Additional charges can and will be filed. These first two are just to hold him.

Posted by: real joe at April 22, 2013 02:02 PM (F4qFf)

256 247 OT:

The charges against The (Alleged) Boston Bomber (see how I covered my ass there) have been unsealed. Legal Insurrection has a post about it.
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 22, 2013 02:01 PM (Dcokn)

******

Thanks.

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 02:02 PM (r2PLg)

257 244
Eh, I won't be voting for the federal offices in any other election unless I believe there is a second Ted Cruz type around. And even then I don't know that even he won't eventually be corrupted.

There really is only one party on the federal level. And its not a conservative one.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 22, 2013 01:59 PM (jKWYf)


That was exactly my rationale for favoring Sarah Palin in 2008.
I publicly mused that she would keep McCain mostly in line, and wouldn't get corrupted for one term, at least.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at April 22, 2013 02:02 PM (Qxe/p)

258 But remember wingnutz - you damn-well better keep voting Republican or else millions of future Democrat Primary Voters are going to get their "path to citizenship" and an unlimited line-of-credit at the US Taxpayer Casino and Resort.

Or else, SHUT UP.

Posted by: DocJ at April 22, 2013 02:02 PM (A5uiv)

259 Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree 49s
After first bomb goes off, Dzjokhar "appears calm" and then rapidly moves away "without his knapsack"

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2013 02:02 PM (piMMO)

260 Did you ever read that article on that whole town that was on food stamps?

I stopped when one of the scrunts they were using to drum up sympathy had an unpaid bill at a tattoo parlor. A medical bill I can feel some sympathy, a car repair, a heating oil bill...but two kids to feed, and you can't wait until you get your EITC check to pay cash for your tattoo? You're not even fucking trying.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 22, 2013 02:03 PM (/kI1Q)

261 I take it Ace now feels dirty for all those times he wanted to party with Rubio?

Why is it that every time we get excited over some new Republican with prinicples they get elected and turn into 'reach-around' the aisle squishes?

Is finding some way of cloning Ted Cruz really our only hope of getting more people into office which won't immediately turn around and start playing for the other team?

I mean really, WTF are we supposed to do if our vote is always coming down to: throwaway 3rd party to allow the Donks to win orvote for a squish that will sell you out at the drop of the hat but still get labeled as "extreme" by the MFM?

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at April 22, 2013 02:03 PM (KCvsd)

262 His last words were "Mama, I love you." while being handcuffed and run over by his brother?

Posted by: Beagle at April 22, 2013 02:03 PM (sOtz/)

263 Thanks

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 22, 2013 02:03 PM (ZshNr)

264 We are the world, we are the children.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at April 22, 2013 02:03 PM (vbh31)

265 "Has anybody gone from prime rib to shit sammich as quickly as Rubio?
Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2013 01:16 PM (LMc/u)"

I have never understood the hero-worship of a politician. Boththe left and the right do this and I don't get it. This is a politician, and it is a guarantee you will end up disappointed.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 22, 2013 02:04 PM (hLRSq)

266
But the State of Massachusetts also has three or four felony murder counts they can hang on him, plus, of course, not having registered their handguns.

If he floats, he's gonna burn.

Posted by: garrett at April 22, 2013 02:04 PM (/pOgU)

267 Before we get too excited about the death penalty possibility, let's remember who DIDN'T get the death penalty.

These guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2013 02:04 PM (piMMO)

268 How about the impressive Jeff Flake. I have yet to see a picture where, if guessing his IQ, I wouldn't record it at around 74.

Posted by: ejo at April 22, 2013 02:04 PM (GXvSO)

269
In case nobody has mentioned it in the last few minutes:

Fuck it. Let it Burn. All of it.

Posted by: Jaws at April 22, 2013 02:05 PM (4I3Uo)

270 I'd like to teach the world to sing.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at April 22, 2013 02:05 PM (vbh31)

271 Isn't every non-citizen living in the US living here without full rights of citizenship? That's why they should want (need) to become citizens.

That would apply double to the illegal aliens, who by definition should not have full rights of citizenship. Ifhe keeps this crap up, Rubio will be running for president on the same democrat ticket with Governor Christie.

Posted by: Advo at April 22, 2013 02:05 PM (7vbG1)

272 Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree 13s
When the Tsarnaev brothers carjacked a vehicle: "Did you hear about the Boston explosion?...I did that"

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2013 02:05 PM (piMMO)

273
267
Before we get too excited about the death penalty possibility, let's remember who DIDN'T get the death penalty.



These guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2013 02:04 PM (piMMO)



I'm sticking to my guns here, I think there's virtually no chance that TFG/Holder?DoJ will seek the death penalty.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 02:05 PM (da5Wo)

274 255 Indictments are unsealed at arraignment. He was arraigned in the hospital bed.As a result of him being arraigned: now it's lawyer time, no more interrogation, no enemy combatant status.
Additional charges can and will be filed. These first two are just to hold him.
Posted by: real joe at April 22, 2013 02:02 PM (F4qFf)


***********

Son of a bitch to that first part.

Gawd damn Obama Administration---

that's pure cocky.


Hope they are right about divining that they know "enough" at this point.

Roll them bones at the expense of many others.

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 02:05 PM (r2PLg)

275 There are many sophists among the GOP. We have to be very wary of the ones who come out of nowhere to rally for our cause of the day.

Some of them are just playing us for fools. Some of them are genuine.

You have to wait and see how they act when the going gets tough before you can be sure of someone's loyalty.

Ted Cruz I love, but it will take a little time before I'm certain about him. Trust but verify. Mitt Romney proved his progressive views long ago. Chris Christie has fallen short.

You can see how they react to those who have stood strong, like Scott Walker, who I'm starting to hear is not 'president material' with the same sneering propaganda that was applied to Rick Perry (though in Perry case, sadly Perry opened the door to it with bumbling).

The core problem with sophists is that they won't really fix our largest problem: the size and spending of government. The GOP had sufficient power to do this as recently as 2005. The secondary problem with sophists is that they will have a harder time beating a democrat candidate than an honest conservative will.

Posted by: Dustin at April 22, 2013 02:05 PM (QJwr3)

276 OT

Drudge links a story update saying TFG will now attend a memorial service for the Texas plant explosion victims.

Carney must have been screaming into the phone.

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:06 PM (GQ8sn)

277 Well if I am not over reading Legal Insurrection-

-there might be more charges that we do not know about?

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 02:07 PM (r2PLg)

278 Rubio has really burned his bridges with this one. No turning back a bill this big, with as many ramifications.

Kiss your (R) Presidential hopes good bye. Maybe he could run as an (I) .

Posted by: mare at April 22, 2013 02:07 PM (A98Xu)

279 Pathetic.

They really do think we're a nation of fools.

And the really pathetic thing is. . .I have to agree.

LiB.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 22, 2013 02:07 PM (zF6Iw)

280 What about, you know...'terrorism'?
Posted by: EC


Pffft...that wasn't terrorism. Those were 'sports related injuries'!

Posted by: Nidal Hasan at April 22, 2013 02:07 PM (NF2Bf)

281 The gang of eight is high on visions of sugar-plums dancing in their heads is all, - with all of that back-tax booty waiting to be pilfered.

Posted by: Fritz at April 22, 2013 02:08 PM (gyDll)

282 Flake is another example. Arizona's demogrpahics are shifting. Flake is shifting with them.

Genius of the political mind is they honestly believe their new position as fervently as the old, opposite position.

It's not a lie if you believe it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 22, 2013 02:08 PM (ZPrif)

283 I will say this:

If this is all part of some master plan whereby the House marks up the bill so it looks like the real deal, then mucho kudos.

But what I don't like is his supporters going fucking nuts on this, especially his spokesman. i mean what the fuck. It's upchuck's and turban durbin's bill, let them hit the stump for a bit or at least share some air time.

If Boehner doesn't follow the Hastert rule on such an important issue, then his speakership will end abruptly in disgrace and disbelief.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 22, 2013 02:08 PM (tVTLU)

284 276 He got a fucking clue,still the people there probably rather he stay away.He's only doing it because they realized it looked bad.

Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2013 02:08 PM (9XBK2)

285 Rubio weighs more than a duck.

Posted by: Knave at April 22, 2013 02:08 PM (cipri)

286 13 page complaint says younger Tsarnaev is seen on security footage of Forum restaurant dropping second bomb off

Rush to judgement. Everyone knows the call to prayer is one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset and peace inspiring. He probably, in the turmoil and the crowd noise, thought he heard it and inadvertently dropped the brand new pressure cooker he had purchased for his mother as a Mothers Day gift on the ground. The 'real' killer is yet to be found.

Posted by: The Precedent at April 22, 2013 02:09 PM (feFL6)

287 What I want in any immigration bill: Seal the southern border immediately. No more hostiles allowed in. Rigorous tracking of who's here now. A federal database for employers to get *accurate information* on a suspected illegal applying for a job. Deportation for all foreign criminals. Harsh penalties for any business that hires illegals.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 22, 2013 02:09 PM (+z4pE)

288 I think Walker is a better example. The only thing the state Dems haven't tried yet is putting out a contract on him.And they'd still fail!
Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 01:53 PM (GQ8sn)


Yeah I mentioned Walker before Daniels. He's got the bonus of not being cuckolded and not having the "Truce on social issues" statement. But I'm just saying that going with what I want in a nominee does actually give us several options.

Part of my coming up with it was that I was getting sick of "Senator XYZ for President!" everytime one of them said something that sounded good for shredding Obama. Yeah sure sounding good on that is great, now what are your results? A governor is actually likely to have some tangible results.

Posted by: buzzion at April 22, 2013 02:10 PM (LI48c)

289 The Rubio/Schumer bill will probably pass. There's usually no two miracles in a row, the first being gun control, in the senate.

It'll be up to Boehner and the House. If they pass it the repub party is done and the marxists will rejoice. If it gets voted down, the repubs will catch hell in 2014 for being unfeeling orcs. The dems win the House, and the marxists rejoice.

For those of us that said "let it burn", well......it's burning.

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2013 02:10 PM (l5qqw)

290 Not one of those who will qualify for amnesty under Rubio's bill will be required to undergo an FBI background check. (20 million background checks? Not anywhere in anyway feasible.)

None of them will be required to pay back taxes. (Language is vague and hand-waves the "requirement" to the discretion of the IRS.)

Most of them will qualify for a free cell phone.

All of them will be allowed to vote while their application is "pending." And pending will be defined as "eligible to apply for amnesty."

Any fig leaf of border security will be "enforced" by a commission dominated by Washington insiders.

Do you see where this is going?

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 22, 2013 02:10 PM (VjL9S)

291 there might be more charges that we do not know about?


There had better be. Or it's "Free pass for shooting Boston cops" summer.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 22, 2013 02:10 PM (GFM2b)

292 Erosion Sediment Control

Picked up my "Polution" cert at the LearningAnnex.

Posted by: nip at April 22, 2013 02:10 PM (lGVXf)

293 The feds can add more charges later and MA can charge him separately. What pisses me off was the rush to arraign him - he wasn't going anywhere - so now he can't be interrogated.

Posted by: real joe at April 22, 2013 02:10 PM (F4qFf)

294 His last words were "Mama, I love you." while being handcuffed and run over by his brother?

Little brothers...can't live with 'em, can't sell 'em for parts.

I came perilously close to empathy there for a second, but I'm OK now.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 22, 2013 02:10 PM (/kI1Q)

295 I'm sticking to my guns here, I think there's virtually no chance that TFG/Holder?DoJ will seek the death penalty.

***

I'm not sure if they'll seek the death penalty or not, but I am convinced that if Zacarias Moussaoui, Ramzi Yousef, Ted Kaczynski, Eric Rudolph, and Terry Nichols didn't get it, this 19 year old "kid" won't either.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2013 02:11 PM (piMMO)

296 Okay, first Beck steals the "That Guy" gag from the HQ, now Rush has stolen the "Chechnens coming home to roost," one of the best lines here from last Friday. Either they need to hit up Ace's tip jar for the privilege of borrowing content from the morons, or the moronosphere ought to apply for jobs on their writing/creative staff. I would leave the fornicating with garbage jokes off your resumes, however, should you apply.

Posted by: LizLem at April 22, 2013 02:11 PM (8wqqE)

297 The charge isn't actually murder, it's the use of a device or the destruction of property that results in death.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 02:01 PM (da5Wo)


I'm guessing -- and this only a guess, and I'm no legal eagle, so don't quote me -- that this initial complaint and these particular charges are just what can be substantiated by the evidence as it currently stands. I don't know to what extent a perpetrator's intent factors into these charges, if at all. If the INTENT was to cause mass destruction, and that mass destruction resulted in death, is that the same as the INTENT to cause mass destruction WITH THE GOAL of killing people (ie, murder)? I don't know.

Also, I expect that this is just the federal indictment, yes? If Mass. also presses charges I believe that's where the individual acts of murder and gross physical injury would be presented. Those are "local crimes," to use the common parlance that's so in vogue these days, whereas the crimes listed in the affidavit are specifically federal in nature because they affected "interstate commerce."

Does that make sense? Law-knowing folks?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 02:11 PM (4df7R)

298 293 The feds can add more charges later and MA can charge him separately. What pisses me off was the rush to arraign him - he wasn't going anywhere - so now he can't be interrogated.
Posted by: real joe at April 22, 2013 02:10 PM

********

Exactly.

That.

I feel like projectile vomiting.

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 02:11 PM (r2PLg)

299 They will also be charged with the murder of the police officer.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2013 02:12 PM (piMMO)

300 Interesting - the Federal charge of use of WMD (yes, I know, it isn't chemical or nuke, but it is the law. Any explosive is a WMD under the law) carries the death penalty. But the State of Massachusetts also has three or four felony murder counts they can hang on him, plus, of course, not having registered their handguns.
Posted by: blaster at April 22, 2013 02:02 PM (pZDxu)



That may explain why no murder charges. File the murder and maiming charges state, the WMD by the Feds. Of course, I have never done jack shit with criminal law so I freely and happily admit that I don't know the ins and outs of it.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 02:12 PM (VtjlW)

301 You know, what really pisses me off the most about this bill is the free cell phones.

Just kidding.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 22, 2013 02:12 PM (HrBwt)

302 Uh, HE will also...

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2013 02:12 PM (piMMO)

303 Holder won't seek the death penalty. No way.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2013 02:12 PM (0oG8l)

304 Dustin:

Fantastic post. Scott Walker has been through the fucking fire of a thousand suns and shown his metal.

Same way with Reagan. The disgraceful Goldwater landslide. his radio addresses. His fights with the establishment.

These are the TRUE candidates. Perhaps not perfect everytime, but to the core solid conservatives, even libertarians in a way.

I am becoming more cautious on the johnny come latelies, such as Rubio or Christie. They have not been through the fire yet and seem to buckle at the eensiest pressure.

I agree with Romney as well. I just hated zero so much, I couldn't see a blessing in disguise perhaps for what it was.

The worst thing about zero is his policies. Scary as that is. I like Cruz just because he seems to get it. A toast to Breitbart goes a long way...

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 22, 2013 02:12 PM (tVTLU)

305 Obama's TX speech
Sorry about all the fat rednecks who got blown up cause of their stupid free-market, no-zoning, retarded laws. I feel really bad that you are all so fucking stupid. So, again, sorry your turd factory blew up -- maybe you can move to some other Texas shithole and rape the earth for oil or something.
All right, I'm out, where's my fucking Nicorette?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 22, 2013 02:12 PM (ZPrif)

306 His last words were "Mama, I love you." while being handcuffed and run over by his brother?

Actually, it was "Mama I love...oh shit mmmrphhhfrrrrrrsshpluffff

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 22, 2013 02:13 PM (8ZskC)

307 A few billion gained in back taxes now, trillions owed in future entitlements tomorrow.

Posted by: wooga at April 22, 2013 02:13 PM (isa2W)

308 Either they need to hit up Ace's tip jar for the privilege of borrowing
content from the morons, or the moronosphere ought to apply for jobs on
their writing/creative staff


I am quite certain that Beck and Rush have read the comments here. Hell, that's all Andrew Breitbart did.

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:13 PM (GQ8sn)

309 The Rubio phones aren't free cell phones.
They are free *satellite* phones. which are like 1000x more expensive.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 22, 2013 02:14 PM (ZPrif)

310 Between that dude and the other Rubio staffer Cesar Conda's snark about blog comments, I have gone from thinking Rubio was naive but well-intentioned to thinking he's a Democrat-operative.

What a disaster.

Posted by: Y-not at April 22, 2013 02:14 PM (5H6zj)

311 >>>We haven't had a cohort of people living permanently in US without full rights of citizenship since slavery.

Alex Conant has apparently never heard of the Women's suffrage movement.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at April 22, 2013 02:14 PM (0q2P7)

312 What about me Marco? I can save the GOP

Posted by: Gay Marriage at April 22, 2013 02:14 PM (ZIHC+)

313 We need Mitch Rapp to interrogate this fucker.

Posted by: real joe at April 22, 2013 02:14 PM (F4qFf)

314 The feds can add more charges later and MA can
charge him separately. What pisses me off was the rush to arraign him -
he wasn't going anywhere - so now he can't be interrogated.


Posted by: real joe at April 22, 2013 02:10 PM (F4qFf)


Assuming the affidavit is as least half accurate (i.e. they aren't exaggerating the evidence to much.) There's almost (IMHO) enough to convict him on that alone. And that's just the opening salvo.
So if he does have any information useful to the feds and I were his lawyer, I'd have him singing like a songbird for a deal in 20 minutes just to remove the needle from the table.Remember, the new model of terror is decentralized, radicalize someone, and set them loose. So his usefulness may be low anyway.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 22, 2013 02:14 PM (Dcokn)

315 They are free *satellite* phones. which are like 1000x more expensive.

Ummm...what?!?!

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:15 PM (GQ8sn)

316 Those people were not forced to come here.

Posted by: Knave at April 22, 2013 02:15 PM (cipri)

317 I have never understood the hero-worship of a
politician. Boththe left and the right do this and I don't get it. This
is a politician, and it is a guarantee you will end up disappointed.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 22, 2013 02:04 PM (hLRSq)


It's not so much hero worship as looking for somebody to represent conservative values. You may disagree and call it whatever you want, but to me that's what it is. Reagan didn't disappoint me except in matters of lesser importance and in having to compromise to get things done. I don't think I held him to unreasonable standards. I would have rather he cut spending more than he did but he had a military to rebuild and an economy to stimulate while defeating inflation, which nobody before him had done. Was he perfect? No. Was he good enough? Yes.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2013 02:15 PM (LMc/u)

318 Soona:

I'd disagree on the House issue. Those districts are solid GOP for the most part and some likely GOP pickups on the gun control issue.

I think 2014 turns even redder if GOP sticks to its fucking guns, pardon the pun.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 22, 2013 02:15 PM (tVTLU)

319 Rubio has said it dozens of times. He *refuses* to believe hispanics won't vote Republican. He doesn't care about evidence or data. He *refuses* to believe it.

Well, ok then. Not much to talk about once he says that.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 22, 2013 02:15 PM (ZPrif)

320 Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2013 02:02 PM (6zgse)
=========
But all the fucking "Republicans" run around pissing their pants, "please, Mr. Dem, I'll give you whatever you want: Just don't call me racist anymore" and all they have to do is contact the MILLIONS of immigrants like you and make you the face of the opposition and amnesty dies.

There are literally millions of people in this country that would love nothing more than to be the black and brown face of "What part of FOLLOW THE FUCKING LAW is so hard?!"

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 22, 2013 02:16 PM (VjL9S)

321 The Rubio phones are from a McCain idea supposedly for ranchers along the border with no cell phone service -- hence the need for satellite phones.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 22, 2013 02:16 PM (ZPrif)

322 I am quite certain that Beck and Rush have read the comments here. Hell, that's all Andrew Breitbart did.


Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:13 PM (GQ8sn)

Heh, if they do read the comments maybe I should start trying to pimp myself out as a "Health Care Issues" pundit .I do need a new job

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 22, 2013 02:16 PM (Dcokn)

323 A Jordanian parliament member was expelled from his faction this week after it was published he visited Israel during the Jewish State's 65th Independence Day and shook President Shimon Peres' hand.

Muhammad Esa al-Doima is a member of the Al-Wasat Al-Islamiy party, which is considered moderate but still has a clear Islamic agenda. Al-Dumia has denied the allegations, but media outlets in the Hashemite Kingdom reported Monday that his expulsion has been finalized. President Peres' office did not respond to the report.

Hum a "MODERATE" islam scum shook hands with a joooo and his "MODERATE" islamic scum party expels him? "MODERATE" ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 22, 2013 02:16 PM (9Bj8R)

324 Sorry about all the fat rednecks who got blown up cause of their stupid free-market, no-zoning, retarded laws. I feel really bad that you are all so fucking stupid. So, again, sorry your turd factory blew up -- maybe you can move to some other Texas shithole and rape the earth for oil or something. All right, I'm out, where's my fucking Nicorette?
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 22, 2013 02:12 PM (ZPrif)


You left out the stack of bodies I had them put under the podium so I could be standing higher above my subjects.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at April 22, 2013 02:16 PM (ggRof)

325 #253 I think I love you. Of course my wife is not going to be happy about this.

Posted by: dogfish at April 22, 2013 02:16 PM (nsOJa)

326 Captain Hate:

Completely agree. Given the circumstances, what he did was amazing. And he's about as perfect a conservative with such broad appeal that the entire fucking debate has changed for good.

Reagan was a paradigm shifting candidate.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 22, 2013 02:17 PM (tVTLU)

327 The US Attorney, Carmen Ortiz, working on the Boston case seems to have an underwhelming record, at least from I read on her Wikipedia page. See especially the prosecution of Glaxo general counsel Lauren Stevens, http://tinyurl.com/adzb2ps , and Gonczy case. The woman seems to be nothing more than lousy affirmative action hire. Wikipedia:
http://tinyurl.com/bnj4m9n

Posted by: Baldy at April 22, 2013 02:17 PM (opS9C)

328 Heh, if they do read the comments maybe I should start trying to pimp myself out as a "Health Care Issues" pundit .I do need a new job



How about working as an "Obamacare Navigator"?

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:17 PM (GQ8sn)

329 Obamacare : Justice Roberts :: Comprehensive POS ver 2.0 : Rubio

Their promising futures as conservative leaders squashed by overtly anti-conservative bilge.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 22, 2013 02:18 PM (eHIJJ)

330 We should have gotten a clue when Rubio started yammering about his immigration plan, which was different from Romney's during the election. I was like, what the?

It's obvious to me, he's champing at the bit to become president and he thinks this is a way to get votes. Sucker.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 22, 2013 02:18 PM (6zgse)

331 Drudge links a story update saying TFG will now attend a memorial service for the Texas plant explosion victims.
Carney must have been screaming into the phone.

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:06 PM (GQ8sn)


If I believed in God, I'd be praying to Him that someone at the memorial service would tell the JEF to fuck off back to the golf course.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 22, 2013 02:19 PM (zF6Iw)

332 Funny, but i've used the same analogy to mean exactly the opposite of what Alex Conant has suggested. No wonder I got such a push back.

He's basically saying that 'probationary Americans' are being treated to a double standard but THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PROBATIONARY AMERICAN! It seems that the Gang of Eight proposal, in my opinion, is doing exactly what it accuses others of doing. It's creating a new class of Americans with a limited set of rights. This is dangerous!

Of course, a different set of rights for each group would be entirely consistent with Multiculturalism. Under multiculturalism, each racial and ethnic class gets their own unique set of rights and privileges, and your guilt or innocence depends on your relative position of the multicultural spectrum.

Example: In a dispute between a heterosexual black man and a Korean transvestite amputee, the black male would be at fault. The normal black male would be declared 'not victim-enough', and would found guilty by identity alone.

*Note - On the bottom end of this scale is the "white male oppressor".

Posted by: gastorgrab at April 22, 2013 02:19 PM (FX38i)

333 @JudgeJeanine

Feds didn't include murder of officer sean collier in todays charges. Quite possible they'll have locals prosecute this one

Posted by: Tami at April 22, 2013 02:19 PM (X6akg)

334 How about working as an "Obamacare Navigator"?


Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:17 PM (GQ8sn)

I'll do a lot of things for money.Flip burgers at a McDs (well we didn't actually flip them, but that's beside the point.)Hock fish at a grocery storeChop up mice for research.
But that's a bridge to f'ing far.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 22, 2013 02:19 PM (Dcokn)

335 How about working as an "Obamacare Navigator"?
Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:17 PM (GQ8sn)



That's actually not a bad idea, I'm trying to get Boy BFF to do that. I mean, hell, might as well have someone I know shove his nose in the trough.

Posted by: alexthechick at April 22, 2013 02:19 PM (VtjlW)

336 AtC,


18 U.S.C. § 1111 : US Code - Section 1111: Murder



(a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice
aforethought. Every murder perpetrated by poison, lying in wait, or
any other kind of willful, deliberate, malicious, and premeditated
killing; or committed in the perpetration of, or attempt to
perpetrate, any arson, escape, murder, kidnapping, treason,
espionage, sabotage, aggravated sexual abuse or sexual abuse, child
abuse, burglary, or robbery
; or perpetrated as part of a pattern or
practice of assault or torture against a child or children; or
perpetrated from a premeditated design unlawfully and maliciously
to effect the death of any human being other than him who is
killed, is murder in the first degree
.
Any other murder is murder in the second degree.



The feds can nail his fucking ass to the wall multiple times over. If they so choose.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 02:19 PM (da5Wo)

337 The feds can add more charges later and MA can charge him separately. What pisses me off was the rush to arraign him - he wasn't going anywhere - so now he can't be interrogated.
Posted by: real joe at April 22, 2013 02:10 PM (F4qFf)


------------------------------------------


Trust us. There's no ulterior motive here. Hehehehe.

Posted by: Preezy and Holder looking ridiculous in Mehican sombreros at April 22, 2013 02:20 PM (l5qqw)

338 OT, but has anyone checked Teh Twitterz to see if ace is up and posting over there? It's getting on toward 2:30 Eastern, and that's late even by Ewok standards!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 02:20 PM (4df7R)

339 299 They will also be charged with the murder of the police officer.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2013 02:12 PM (piMMO)

**********

Right.

So you get him on that, and have him sing on the other.

Hell there is probably some damn law that says you can't do that.

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 02:20 PM (r2PLg)

340 In a dispute between a heterosexual black man and a Korean transvestite amputee, the black male would be at fault

Where do I fit into this spectrum?

Posted by: Hungarian midget porn star at April 22, 2013 02:20 PM (NF2Bf)

341 Preezy and Holder looking ridiculous in Mehican sombreros

Barrel. Now.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at April 22, 2013 02:21 PM (Qxe/p)

342


Sonofabitch

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 02:21 PM (da5Wo)

343
"Mama, I love you"?

Shit. My last words are going to be: "You know its you, babe, giving me the courage and the strength I need - please believe / You know its yooooouuuuu baaaabe " and Imma sing the whole damned tune until everyone gets an earworm

Posted by: Bigby's Hearty Handshake at April 22, 2013 02:21 PM (3ZtZW)

344 313 We need Mitch Rapp to interrogate this fucker.

This is an early leader for comment of the week.

And it would work...sigh.

Posted by: akula51 at April 22, 2013 02:21 PM (Vgn84)

345 Completely agree. Given the circumstances, what he did was amazing. And he's about as perfect a conservative with such broad appeal that the entire fucking debate has changed for good. Reagan was a paradigm shifting candidate.
Posted by: Prescient11 at April 22, 2013 02:17 PM (tVTLU)


This is one of the few cognitive dissonance issuesthat I see on the right. Many say this and at the same time contend Bush was left of a RINO.

Posted by: polynikes at April 22, 2013 02:21 PM (m2CN7)

346 Uhoh, BCochran.

You know where to go.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 02:21 PM (4df7R)

347 Sonofabitch


Hahaha!!! Your ass was saved by MWR's broken italics!

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:22 PM (GQ8sn)

348 Sonofabitch Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 02:21 PM (da5Wo)

Hey, can you see if you can find my sunglasses while you're in there?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 22, 2013 02:22 PM (sbV1u)

349 Question, what can Rubio do without the base?

The base is now gone.

Posted by: mare at April 22, 2013 02:22 PM (A98Xu)

350 Ace is never gonna fix his sleep issues while staying in bed well into the afternoon. #1 rule is to never be in bed between 11am-10pm.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 22, 2013 02:22 PM (UypUQ)

351 Or maybe "Come Sail Away" 'cuz that'd be just Teh Fucked for anybody listening

Posted by: Bigby's Hearty Handshake at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (3ZtZW)

352 "You know its you, babe, giving me the courage and the strength I need -
please believe / You know its yooooouuuuu baaaabe " and Imma sing the
whole damned tune until everyone gets an earworm




Awww shit...


"Babe, I love youuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!"

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (GQ8sn)

353 349 Lose.

Posted by: Knave at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (cipri)

354 The US Attorney, Carmen Ortiz, working on the Boston case seems to have an underwhelming record

I don't expect her to press a mass-murdering jihadi half as hard as she pressed that kid from MIT who did some illegal downloading.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (/kI1Q)

355 347 Sonofabitch


Hahaha!!! Your ass was saved by MWR's broken italics!
Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:22 PM (GQ8sn)

*************


Crap--I was wondering how that happened.

So two errors make a right?

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (r2PLg)

356 Saudi student visas up 500% since 2001.
Weasel Zippers has story.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (ZPrif)

357 We need Mitch Rapp to interrogate this fucker.

No, once again a rush to judgement. We need someone with proven experience in searching for the 'real killer' to come forward and offer his experience. I'm working on the pardon as we speak.

Posted by: The Precedent at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (feFL6)

358 What Obama says will be in the flat, expressionless voices he always uses unless it's about something that involves his agenda. There's no pay dirt to Texans dying in the explosion of a fertilizer plant so he might as well be reading from a phone book for whatever they write for him. It's merely a photo op.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (0oG8l)

359 Hahaha!!! Your ass was saved by MWR's broken italics!
Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:22 PM (GQ8sn)

This is why having the closed formatting tags as part of one's username is handy; not only to one's own self, but to others as well!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (4df7R)

360 319
Rubio has said it dozens of times. He *refuses* to believe hispanics
won't vote Republican. He doesn't care about evidence or data. He
*refuses* to believe it.



Well, ok then. Not much to talk about once he says that.
===========
They will. But he is too fucking willfully ignorant to know that amnesty is way, way, WAY down on the list of reasons they are motivated to vote.

But that's for those who are already eligible to vote. Flip that for those who are not.

I've told this before, but in West Texas, Cruz got 56% of the Hispanic vote while the JEF got 52%.

That tells you all you need to win the Hispanic vote.

And it also tells you while the left is going to make the Palin treatment look like a sorority hazing compared to the efforts they will and are using to destroy Cruz.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 22, 2013 02:24 PM (VjL9S)

361 5k to 35k Saudi students per year since 9/11.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 22, 2013 02:24 PM (ZPrif)

362 354 The US Attorney, Carmen Ortiz, working on the Boston case seems to have an underwhelming record

I don't expect her to press a mass-murdering jihadi half as hard as she pressed that kid from MIT who did some illegal downloading.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (/kI1Q)

**********

If you knew people at MIT and what they did there--you might not think it was as benign as that.

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 02:24 PM (r2PLg)

363 The answer to this and all of your questions is more leadership to pass more gun control laws!

Posted by: Mika Bitchzinski at April 22, 2013 02:24 PM (OWjjx)

364 So two errors make a right?
Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (r2PLg)


That's what the dumbasses who voted for me twice seem to think.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at April 22, 2013 02:24 PM (ggRof)

365 Crap--I was wondering how that happened.



So two errors make a right?

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (r2PLg)


For some reason, MWR's (bless her heart!) computer has trouble with the closing italics tag. Her 'broken' post was able to turn off BCochran's runaway italics.

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:25 PM (GQ8sn)

366 It looks like Rubio has decided this is the hill for his political career to die on.

Posted by: maddogg at April 22, 2013 02:25 PM (OlN4e)

367 357 We need someone with proven experience in searching for the 'real killer' to come forward and offer his experience.

I have just the man for you.

Orenthal? Orenthal James? Are you busy atm?

Posted by: akula51 at April 22, 2013 02:25 PM (Vgn84)

368 The US Attorney, Carmen Ortiz, working on the Boston case seems to have an underwhelming record

I
don't expect her to press a mass-murdering jihadi half as hard as she
pressed that kid from MIT who did some illegal downloading.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (/kI1Q)

D'oh I knew I had heard the name before. Wonderful, this also explains her appearance at several press conferences prior to even havign a suspect. Limelight disease.
Having said that Aaron Schwartz still wasn't doing "the right thing." (TM). So, meh.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 22, 2013 02:25 PM (Dcokn)

369 Ever notice that anti death penalty lawyers always claim that life imprisonment is worse than death as a punishment but they always beg to get their client life instead of the death penalty?

Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2013 02:25 PM (9XBK2)

370 Did the murderer really say that or was that more LW propaganda? The only way I would care what he said was if it were "I confess my sins and ask God to forgive me."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 22, 2013 02:26 PM (0oG8l)

371 He was trying to hack into a "closed system".

Guess why you have "closed networks"?

Think real.hard.about.it.

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 02:26 PM (r2PLg)

372 Is there an underground railway for the runaway italics?

Posted by: Knave at April 22, 2013 02:26 PM (cipri)

373 If you put all the closing tags after your nic name, it will automatically close anything you left open.

Posted by: Tami at April 22, 2013 02:26 PM (X6akg)

374 >>>Actually, it was "Mama I love...oh shit mmmrphhhfrrrrrrsshpluffff<<<

Yeah, what a shame. It's kinda tough to say "allu akbar" with a steel-belted radial on your face or a smokin bullet hole in your throat.

Posted by: Fritz at April 22, 2013 02:26 PM (gyDll)

375 This is why having the closed formatting tags as
part of one's username is handy; not only to one's own self, but to
others as well!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (4df7R)


So I just stick the famous /i in my name (in brackets of course.)I'll risk the barrel to try that.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 22, 2013 02:27 PM (Dcokn)

376 For some reason, MWR's (bless her heart!) computer has trouble with the closing italics tag. Her 'broken' post was able to turn off BCochran's runaway italics.
Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:25 PM (GQ8sn)


Hey! lol! I didn't have any italics in my post! I have the [/i ] in my nic field, though, so that when my italican DOES fail to turn off, my username saves me from The Barrel

"MWR... [/i ] [/b ] [/s ] [/u ]"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 22, 2013 02:27 PM (4df7R)

377 Preezy and Holder looking ridiculous in Mehican sombreros Barrel. Now.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at April 22, 2013 02:21 PM (Qxe/p)


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Wasn't me or my sock. Don't use italians.

Posted by: Soona at April 22, 2013 02:27 PM (l5qqw)

378 344 313 We need Mitch Rapp to interrogate this fucker.

This is an early leader for comment of the week.

And it would work...sigh.


Posted by: akula51 at April 22, 2013 02:21 PM (Vgn84)


Hmmm.... anyone know Dick Cheney's schedule??? and I hear Alan West is also Available...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 22, 2013 02:27 PM (lZBBB)

379 For some reason, MWR's (bless her heart!) computer has trouble with the closing italics tag. Her 'broken' post was able to turn off BCochran's runaway italics.
Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:25 PM (GQ8sn)

*******

It's The Guardian Angel formatting!

Posted by: tasker at April 22, 2013 02:27 PM (r2PLg)

380 361 What could go wrong?

Posted by: steevy at April 22, 2013 02:27 PM (9XBK2)

381 Life in solitare in the Colorado Supermax probably IS worse than death. Like being buried alive.

Posted by: maddogg at April 22, 2013 02:27 PM (OlN4e)

382 If you put all the closing tags after your nic name, it will automatically close anything you left open.


Posted by: Tami at April 22, 2013 02:26 PM (X6akg)


New things learned every day here at the HQ.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 22, 2013 02:27 PM (Dcokn)

383 O/T, but kind of related. The guys writing these laws might need to take a page out of the Balmer Peak phenomenon. May as well write these laws drunk. A little anyhow. http://tinyurl.com/9puef26

Posted by: and irresolute at April 22, 2013 02:27 PM (DBH1h)

384 373 If you put all the closing tags after your nic name, it will automatically close anything you left open.

Posted by: Tami at April 22, 2013 02:26 PM (X6akg)


Cool! Nothing can possibly go wrong now!

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at April 22, 2013 02:28 PM (Qxe/p)

385 Hey! lol! I didn't have any italics in my post! I have the [/i ] in my
nic field, though, so that when my italican DOES fail to turn off, my
username saves me from The Barrel



Clever girl!

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:28 PM (GQ8sn)

386 If you put all the closing tags after your nic name, it will automatically close anything you left open.

Or, someone before you. Points in BCochrans direction.

Posted by: Regular Moron at April 22, 2013 02:28 PM (feFL6)

387 With people like this on 'our' side who needs the lefties?

Posted by: torabora at April 22, 2013 02:28 PM (evKx5)

388 This is one of the few cognitive dissonance
issuesthat I see on the right. Many say this and at the same time
contend Bush was left of a RINO.

Posted by: polynikes at April 22, 2013 02:21 PM (m2CN7)


Where is the disconnect other than an exaggeration? Neither Bush was a conservative. That shouldn't be a controversial statement.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2013 02:29 PM (LMc/u)

389 354 Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 22, 2013 02:23 PM (/kI1Q)------- That did seem excessive. Perhaps she was trying to curry favor with future clients of her private practice or whatever.

Posted by: Baldy at April 22, 2013 02:29 PM (opS9C)

390 383 the guys writing these laws are the lobbyists. As if a legislator or even legislative staff "have the time" or inclination to actually write/read bills before a vote.

Posted by: keep it simple, stupid at April 22, 2013 02:29 PM (MhA4j)

391 Call the Rube people!
317 Hart Senate Office Building

Washington DC, 20510

Phone: 202-224-3041


Posted by: Attila at April 22, 2013 02:30 PM (Cs2tJ)

392 OT

Hot Air with a breaking story saying Canada just busted a terror plot in Quebec and Ontario. The surveillance had been going on for about a year and the feds moved in (RCMP and CSIS).

Posted by: EC at April 22, 2013 02:30 PM (GQ8sn)

393 Alright. Seriously, W..T..F....people. Why are there condoms in here???

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 22, 2013 02:31 PM (da5Wo)

394 Just waitin' for The Burning Time.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 22, 2013 02:31 PM (uhftQ)

395 Polynikes:

Bush and his father rode Reagan's coattails. Period. Look, I liked GWB and thought he was a good guy.

But he never understood real conservative, limited government principles. Just look at the pres. drug bill and the no child left behind act.

And he expanded hugely the surveillance state without really the concern over individual liberty. Again, good with a benign guy like GWB in office, but very bad potentially elsewise.

And nominating Harriet Myers to the Sup. Ct., WTF was that.

And again on immigration, not learning the lessons of the 1986 amnesty, I mean, WTF??? Reagan compromised because he was promised enforcement on the other side of the coin. NOTHING happened as we all know. Nothing real at least.

GWB was just kind of a meh, and some his policies had a real damaging effect on the GOP brand.

I think he was great with the troops however, and provided very good leadership during wartime, and that he also had a good heart and got some great Sup. Ct. picks through (Roberts, I know, I know, I know, but overall he's been damn good).

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 22, 2013 02:32 PM (tVTLU)

396 Alright. Seriously, W..T..F....people. Why are there condoms in here???
Posted by: BCochran1981
***

You prefer bareback?

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 22, 2013 02:32 PM (uhftQ)

397 Perhaps she was trying to curry favor with future clients of her private practice or whatever.

Your ideas intrigue me, yet make me very, very hungry.

Posted by: Babu Bhat at April 22, 2013 02:32 PM (feFL6)

398 What world is it where Maher puts down people for comparing Islam violence against other religions?

Posted by: RWC at April 22, 2013 02:33 PM (fWAjv)

399 Where is the disconnect other than an exaggeration? Neither Bush was a conservative. That shouldn't be a controversial statement.
Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2013 02:29 PM (LMc/u)

The disconnect is that everything that GW Bush is criticized for Reagan did the same or worse. You can't logically declare one the greatest conservative President ever and the other as a RINO.

Posted by: polynikes at April 22, 2013 02:33 PM (m2CN7)

400 ace woke up....

Posted by: Tami at April 22, 2013 02:33 PM (X6akg)

401 new thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 22, 2013 02:34 PM (piMMO)

402 If they cave make voter ID at least part of the bill

Posted by: Avi at April 22, 2013 02:34 PM (bvvLo)

403
The repubs are so stupid they don't even realize they can talk about obamacare from here to the next election and get re-elected. But nope, they want and like big govt and actually believe that their side of the dem party will benefit from amnesty.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 22, 2013 02:35 PM (jKWYf)

404 The Marco Phone thing is a lie, by the way. We complain all the time about false reporting in the left media, and then our own side starts pushing BS to get clicks.


Posted by: Shoot Me at April 22, 2013 02:36 PM (qiXMt)

405 Rubio = well and truly dead to me. If only there were some other young senator, a real conservative, someone who might even have a heritage and background that would naturally appeal to the fabled "natural conservative Latino" electorate...

Oh, hi, Senator Ted Cruz! Say, I was wondering...might you be the actual conservative hope for the future? What's that? You and Rick Perry have talked, and you're going to be Vice-President of the Republic of Texas instead? Hey, sounds good to me - I'm already here!

Posted by: Doctor Cynic at April 22, 2013 02:39 PM (VVAyw)

406 Ever notice that anti death penalty lawyers always claim that life imprisonment is worse than death as a punishment

That's why the next stage after getting rid of the death penalty is claiming life in prison is too cruel for anyone to endure. Which leaves us where?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 22, 2013 02:39 PM (Lq5WC)

407 >>That's why the next stage after getting rid of the death penalty is claiming life in prison is too cruel for anyone to endure. Which leaves us where?


Norway?

Posted by: Buzzion at April 22, 2013 02:42 PM (/AJMW)

408 I can imagine the pressure being applied to Sen. Rubio. Being Latin myself I've gotten into heated debate with friends family, and they will pull out all the stops. The "Judas" label and such. these are economic refuges, They would rather stay in their counties, but they want to be upwardly mobile, but the structure is limited for them there. But it's not our place to fix their countries, or open the doors to let them benefit from ours. Now that Rubio is in a position of "Power" and can actually do something...the gloves are off. Feel for the dude.

Posted by: Paladin at April 22, 2013 02:45 PM (ROXo4)

409 The disconnect is that everything that GW Bush is
criticized for Reagan did the same or worse. You can't logically declare
one the greatest conservative President ever and the other as a RINO.





Posted by: polynikes at April 22, 2013 02:33 PM (m2CN7)


I don't think I've ever had to address something like this before. For starters, neither Bush did something like fire the air traffic controllers for an illegal strike nor start the Strategic Defense Initiative, for which he was roundly ridiculed by the usual dunces only to see it become a reality as the technology improved. GWB expanded Medicare in a way that I don't think you can find a parallel under Reagan.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 22, 2013 02:46 PM (LMc/u)

410 Captain Hate:

Dead on. The only really tough decision I see from GWB was going to take Iraq out, and even that I'm not super sure was the best use of resources.

But yeah, he strolled with a GOP congress 4eva, and still didn't accomplish 1/10 of Reagan's achievements.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 22, 2013 02:48 PM (tVTLU)

411 I like carrols plan but we need voter ID and no bennies for them . They can pay tax but no welfare food stamps etc

Posted by: Avi at April 22, 2013 02:50 PM (bvvLo)

412 And no family reunification bs

Posted by: Avi at April 22, 2013 02:51 PM (bvvLo)

413 395 "I think he was great with the troops however, and provided very good leadership during wartime,"

Hey, showing up to shake hands with veterans coming home or visit veteran hospital patients, yes. Hitler did as much at first with great fanfare. Even the Nazis could use a smile and sweet tone of voice to convince masses of gullible people, at least to turn a blind eye to the thugs and organized crime elements usurping their constitutional republic.

Really, "great with the troops" and "very good leadership during wartime" ... aside from cheer leading, think again.

Bush enacted the suicidal (Karzai) RULES OF ENGAGEMENT and converted the role of a US soldier into the guys obligated to "win the hearts and minds of our enemies" by being the nice guy under fire. Bush initiated the perpetual re-deployment of our troops, criticized by many retired military brass as redeployment until either broken or killed.

Bush began the hopscotch of wars that are promoting the very Wahhabi Saudi interests permeating beyond the Arabian Peninsula (see Chechens), the specific 'interests' that are the culprits of terrorism v. American citizens (9/11, likely Boston last week). Bush launched these never-ending interventionist wars of aggression that aren't simply perpetual, but STILL have no stated purpose beyond "winning hearts and minds of the enemy" NATION BUILDING, STILL no specific goal at which point our military concludes involvement and returns home, stateside for our veterans to lead "normal" lives.

DHS and The Patriot Act were wrong to begin with, and have proven to be the worst ever choice of solution to prevent corruption or weakness in government. So much for MORE BUREAUCRACY in order to become "efficient". And that doesn't even take into consideration the demise of our US Constitutional Government because of the Patriot Act and DHS abuses of powers to usurp even MORE, all the while costing more DOLLARS than anyone can pay in taxes in order to fund not simply the top-heavy DHS but all of the horrible programs and purchase orders attributed to the DHS budget.

With Bush, any Bush, see "Too Big To Fail" bloating opportunism for corrupt authoritarianism. The Bush politicians have plenty of experience bursting bubbles, including inflation, overspending and blowing up Constitutional Governance.

Certainly, they smile and speak so compassionately, so long as you're patting them on the back.

Remember, the Bush dynasty has always been and will always be for open borders and amnesty. When the US citizen volunteers were calling real-time illegal crossings to the Border Patrol, President GWB called those volunteers "vigilantes" and spent his political capital denigrating his American critics who had just voted him into office in order to gain a "conservative" administration.

Rather, the Bush influence had marked the mutation of the Republican Party from what had elected Reagan in a landslide, into the leadership that monopolizes potus campaign nominations with McCain or Obamalite on the GOP ticket. Rubio will be the Bush's next potus candidate endorsement, or vp to accompany Jeb if he runs.

Nancy Reagan: Just Say No!

Posted by: keep it simple, stupid at April 22, 2013 03:10 PM (MhA4j)

414 U.S. taxpayers are the real slaves.

We're the ones paying for the illegal aliens' food stamps, "free" public education ("free" foreign language aides for the kids of illegals who can't speak English); "free" medical care in our ER's (including billions of dollars' worth of "free" OB/GYN care for pregnant illegals who come here to give birth to their welfare-qualified anchor babies).

We're also the ones paying the taxes that support the jails and prisons that are full of illegal alien criminals. We also pay for the "free" public defenders who protect the criminal illegal aliens' "rights."

We're also the ones who pay for the U.S. Department of Labor, and the lawyers who run around the country suing employers who get reported by illegal aliens for not paying them overtime (wonder if African-American slaves could do that?).

Illegal aliens live in our country -- by their own choice -- where they routinely break all sorts of laws -- such as not filing tax returns or paying taxes, identity fraud, welfare and voter fraud, etc. If an American citizen committed these same crimes, he/she would get prosecuted. Illegals just get an apology and an application for food stamps.

The "slaves" in this scenario are not the illegal aliens -- it's the U.S. taxpayers who are forced to support them!

Posted by: Horrified Observer at April 22, 2013 03:47 PM (/sohm)

415
I've spent most of my life working overseas. In all of that time I did not have full citizenship rights:
I could not vote;
I could not own property;
I could not own guns;
I had to keep my proof of legal presence on me at all times;
If I had dealings with the government, it was up to me to provide the translator;
There was generally no Bill of Rights: I did not always have freedom speech or religion; there was ofttimes no freedom of the press; I don't even want to think about my (lack of) rights as a criminal, but I heard plenty of first-hand stories from those who found out about itthe hard way.

(But I always was subject to taxes. Oh, yes, you can be sure of that.)

Most of these jackasses talking about foreign workers have no clue whatsoever what they are talking about, or how it works in other nations. If they ever did go on a junket, it was all laid on and arranged for them.

Posted by: Help isn't coming at April 22, 2013 03:47 PM (ze9yk)

416 Wait...he has a lawyer? And he's refusing to talk? So what is Jay Carney talking about, that he's cooperating?

This is not going to go down well with the American people, if he's allowed to clam up.

Posted by: PJ at April 22, 2013 04:17 PM (ZWaLo)

417 Has Rubio fired this spokesmouth yet, or does he agree?

Posted by: Dan at April 22, 2013 04:33 PM (bxp5Z)

418 I personally think the GOP needs to be euthanized if they pass this bill. Personal opinion.

Posted by: T. at April 22, 2013 05:31 PM (qJnbB)

419 We know from the history of South Africa that the "compromise" of saying that "they aren't slaves, because they could go if they wanted to" is false.

The lie of apartheid was that you could invite hordes of a different race into your country and treat them like lawnmowers - just put away in the shed when they are not working - and keep your (first class) citizenship for yourself and your political structure intact.

Thomas Jefferson could have told South Africans that, and he could tell America the same thing today. A system of labor without rights will not endure.

You can close your borders, tell the aliens among you to go, and keep your country and your future.

(And yes you can do that. Ask Dwight Eisenhower.)

Or you can let your businessmen continue to profit from labor without rights. That road leads to Haiti, or to South Africa, where the whites are being moved onto genocide watch. The people actually living in a land will give that land its character, and if that people isn't you, your future is apt to be grim and limited.

No third choice.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at April 22, 2013 06:05 PM (NL5KF)

420 Rubio Spokesman: Your Immigration Compromise Offer Reminds Me Of Something. What's It Called? Oh Right...SLAVERY.
-
I agree with him.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at April 22, 2013 06:07 PM (NL5KF)

421 414 U.S. taxpayers are the real slaves.
-
I'm saying there are two choices in the long run: kick people out or give them full rights.

When it comes to white Americans, the people who run America (including the political class, academics and the leftist mass media) have chosen the "get rid of them" option. Mass immigration plus forced integration means that whites will cease to exist as an identifiable group.

So they don't need rights. That is the logic of the ruling class.

And that is why Ace is right in pointing out that the left is trying to reduce the right to helot status, as despised outsiders without equal rights.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at April 22, 2013 06:28 PM (NL5KF)

422 409 I don't think I've ever had to address something like this before. For starters, neither Bush did something like fire the air traffic controllers for an illegal strike nor start the Strategic Defense Initiative, for which he was roundly ridiculed by the usual dunces only to see it become a reality as the technology improved. GWB expanded Medicare in a way that I don't think you can find a parallel under Reagan.
-
Bush seemed to decide early that the main thing he wanted was his war on his terms, and that the way to get it was to appease the left by giving it its way on a lot of domestic matters, including big spending.

That's why his legislative majority was wasted.

Reagan didn't think there was an acceptable trade-off. He didn't think he could give way on domestic issues and get what he really wanted on foreign policy out of the gratitude of the left. He was right about that.

He did think he could make specific deals and they would be kept, like enforcement for amnesty. He was wrong about that.

There was no grand bargain on offer from the left. Never. And there never will be.

The last time the left explicitly offered a grand bargain was to Bush the Elder: raise taxes, and we will never, ever use it against you. We all know how that worked out.

Any useful right wing President has to come into office to fight for what he believes and not to deal with people who don't deal in good faith.

Not that the issues Bush sided with the left on were OK to be wrong on anyway. The Iraq war came and went. Amnesty is forever, and big spending is a lot like "forever". It would be better to to have a strong domestic policy president and weak foreign policies than vice versa.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at April 22, 2013 08:23 PM (p8bvB)

423 Gold to Poop, overnight.

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