Bowdoin College: Come For The "Diversity"; Stay For The Liberal Cocooning

Bowdoin College in Maine apparently takes the "liberal" in Liberal Arts to the extreme.

It sounds like the setup for a bad joke: What did the Wall Street type say to the college president on the golf course? Well, we don't know exactly—but it has launched a saga with weighty implications for American intellectual and civic life.

Here's what we do know: One day in the summer of 2010, Barry Mills, the president of Bowdoin College, a respected liberal-arts school in Brunswick, Maine, met investor and philanthropist Thomas Klingenstein for a round of golf about an hour north of campus. College presidents spend many of their waking hours talking to potential donors. In this case, the two men spoke about college life—especially "diversity"—and the conversation made such an impression on President Mills that he cited it weeks later in his convocation address to Bowdoin's freshman class. That's where the dispute begins.

So the college president apparently went on to tell the frosh that while Bowdoin leaned to the left they should respect diversity of ideas of evil, racist, reichwingers like "the donor". The problem is that word leaked back to "the donor" that he was being used as a strawman for Bowdoin to pat itself on the back for its supposed tolerance and open-mindedness with respect to opposing views while simultaneously castigating them.

... A few months later, Mr. Klingenstein decided to do something surprising: He commissioned researchers to examine Bowdoin's commitment to intellectual diversity, rigorous academics and civic identity. This week, some 18 months and hundreds of pages of documentation later, the project is complete. Its picture of Bowdoin isn't pretty.

Funded by Mr. Klingenstein, researchers from the National Association of Scholars studied speeches by Bowdoin presidents and deans, formal statements of the college's principles, official faculty reports and notes of faculty meetings, academic course lists and syllabi, books and articles by professors, the archive of the Bowdoin Orient newspaper and more. They analyzed the school's history back to its founding in 1794, focusing on the past 45 years—during which, they argue, Bowdoin's character changed dramatically for the worse.

Published Wednesday, the report demonstrates how Bowdoin has become an intellectual monoculture dedicated above all to identity politics.

Read the whole thing. But you won't be surprised to see some of the details, including the curious freshman curriculum, which is short on anything you'd think of as education and long on ... bullshit.

And this isn't accidental.

The full report on Bowdoin is available here.

Posted by: Andy at 10:55 AM



Comments

1 But did he kill his endowment?

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2013 10:58 AM (53z96)

2 Nothing to see here! Oh look, the KKK is at Antioch!!

Posted by: Lena Dunham at April 06, 2013 10:58 AM (wIgpo)

3 Yay, liberal spooning!




Oh, wait. Not spooning? Cocooning? That's different

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 10:58 AM (pxDth)

4 One of the few requirements is that Bowdoin students take a yearlong
freshman seminar. Some of the 37 seminars offered this year:
"Affirmative Action and U.S. Society," "Fictions of Freedom," "Racism,"
"Queer Gardens" (which "examines the work of gay and lesbian gardeners
and traces how marginal identities find expression in specific garden
spaces"), "Sexual Life of Colonialism" and "Modern Western Prostitutes."

..............
Where were these fun courses when I was a freshman??1!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 06, 2013 11:00 AM (UTq/I)

5 Has anyone taken one of the Hillsdale online courses? I keep thinking I should but haven't done it yet.

Posted by: PaleRider at April 06, 2013 11:02 AM (m+nIW)

6 The socialist cocooning of the curious mind.

In nature the cocoon is the external symbol of a homely caterpillar transforming itself into a newer and brighter being - the butterfly.

In socialism cocooning turns this process upside down. They take a bright and curious mind and by wrapping it up in the strangling strands of identity politics smother that curious mind and transform it into a cold and congealed bowl of porridge.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 06, 2013 11:02 AM (7Tyhl)

7 Way to go Klingenstein!!!!!!

this made my day.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 11:02 AM (qPCAa)

8 Cocooning.

That really is racialist.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2013 11:03 AM (tqLft)

9 He say 4 or 5 of the faculty may be considered as "conservative" but 100% of them voted for Obama. I submit then that 0 of 183 are conservative.


Conservatives do not vote for racist communists.

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2013 11:03 AM (53z96)

10 work of gay and lesbian gardeners and traces how marginal identities find expression in specific garden spaces"),

*******

Hey, you shouldn't put your cucumber in my kumquat!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 11:04 AM (pxDth)

11 Good grief. And I thought my son's freshman year was packed with ridiculous crap.

Posted by: Gem at April 06, 2013 11:04 AM (zw+pb)

12 So what else is new?

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2013 11:04 AM (Q0gEg)

13

Bowdoin. Pronounced Boudin, like Kathy Boudin of NYU and Columbia U.

I'm shocked, I tells ya.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2013 11:04 AM (tqLft)

14 10 Hey, you shouldn't put your cucumber in my kumquat!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 11:04 AM (pxDth)

Or you'll get cream corn. Maybe wax beans... with okra...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2013 11:05 AM (tqLft)

15 "Fictions of Freedom"

Maybe it's me, but that seminar seems like it could be worthwhile.

Posted by: illegally posting anonymously on the internet at April 06, 2013 11:06 AM (feFL6)

16 Well folks, I forgot that I was almost out of brown liquor so I am going to have to hit the store before 70°. So I out of here for today.

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2013 11:06 AM (53z96)

17 9 Conservatives do not vote for racist communists.
Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2013 11:03 AM (53z96)


Liberal is the new conservative. Overton Window, or something.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2013 11:06 AM (tqLft)

18 So they are up to speed on lesbian gardening. I bet they don't know squat about American history.

Posted by: Real Joe at April 06, 2013 11:07 AM (PD2ad)

19 SMOD, where are you?

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2013 11:07 AM (Q0gEg)

20 Bowdoin use to be a nice preppy school for rich kids that could not get into an Ivy. Last time I was up there it was full bore prep drinking and frats.

Obviously that's gone.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 11:08 AM (wR+pz)

21 15 "Fictions of Freedom"

Maybe it's me, but that seminar seems like it could be worthwhile.
Posted by: illegally posting anonymously on the internet at April 06, 2013 11:06 AM (feFL6)



Liberalism really is a sick, mind-controlling fundamentalist cult. To create a worldview that at best is mythical, you have to be utterly delusional. And Lord help anyone who dares defy them.

Utterly, totally Orwellian.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2013 11:08 AM (tqLft)

22 My sis took a Hillsdale course on the constitution and enjoyed it.

Posted by: Real Joe at April 06, 2013 11:08 AM (PD2ad)

23 6
Well said, Anna.

Posted by: rickl at April 06, 2013 11:09 AM (sdi6R)

24 This a re-post, but timely, I think:


I have some Indian pottery shards that I collected from a tidal creek bank when
I was a kid. The other day it occurred to me that I ought to get a studied
person to tell me something about these things.

It turns out that UNCA doesn't have a 'real' Anthropology department,
although, remarkably, they magically grant Anthropology degrees. I called over
there in an effort to speak to someone, but was told that 'We're not really into
that kind of stuff'. Well..., Okay.

Curious now to discover what they are 'into', I took a look at
the web page for the Sociology/Anthropology Department, where I found
this:

"Recent students have explored the culture of organic
farming, the experiences and issues of undocumented residents, mobility
experiences of women and queer people in Amsterdam and Asheville, stories of
traumatic brain injury, the experiences of burlesque performers, Asheville’s
pushcart vendors, narratives of resistance in the Burton Street community,
female agency among Italian-Americans, among others."

Well, gosh, I'm sure the graduates of this program are well equipped to
become productive, contributing members of society. Thank heavens we finance
Pell Grants for such badly needed skills.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 11:09 AM (aDwsi)

25 Speaking of liberal fundraisers, I talked with one this week. He showed me a glossy full color brochure touting the wonderful aspects of his institution (which shall remain nameless, but is a top tier healthcare facility for underaged persons). There was a touching photo of a parent holding a photo of a small child with the word "Miracle" prominently visible on the picture frame.

I commented, "I see you feature the word 'miracle' in you brochure but I don't see the word 'God' at all." He was taken aback, but retorted, "Well, we have to appeal to a diverse swath of the community."

I'd bet the decision to feature the word "miracle" was not an accident.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 11:09 AM (pxDth)

26 @16

Vic, get me some Mt Gay.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 11:09 AM (wR+pz)

27 One clear benefit of an undead rising, at least for Bowdoin College, would be that they could get back Joshua Chamberlain as college president. A cast-iron badass if there ever was one, and undoubtedly smarter than the current president even after over a century of decomposition.

Posted by: Darren at April 06, 2013 11:10 AM (nIbSp)

28 19 SMOD, where are you?
Posted by: eman at April 06, 2013 11:07 AM (Q0gEg)

Just as it about to hit, a NORK Nodong will accidentally crash into it and we'll all survive.

Our luck.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2013 11:10 AM (tqLft)

29 I added a link to the full report commissioned by Klingenstein at the bottom of the post.

I bet it contains some real gems.

Posted by: Andy at April 06, 2013 11:10 AM (OZPoa)

30 26 @16

Vic, get me some Mt Gay.
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 11:09 AM (wR+pz)


I'm available to do that!

Posted by: Barney Fagele at April 06, 2013 11:10 AM (tqLft)

31
The foundation for Leftism is extremely fragile. They are a paper lion -- with litigation as its teeth, lawyers as its claws.

Their core values of diversity and fairness cannot even stand simultaneously with free speech, which is why the Left spends 90% of its time and effort to quell free speech -- they cannot withstand the scrutiny.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 06, 2013 11:11 AM (eHNxr)

32 I bet they don't know squat about American history.

Posted by: Real Joe at April 06, 2013 11:07 AM (PD2ad)

I bet they do, if you think it's the history of oppression against marginal identities.
My niece is taking 'History of the 1970s'.

Posted by: Retread at April 06, 2013 11:11 AM (zxitI)

33 I'm available to do that!

Posted by: Barney Fagele at April 06, 2013 11:10 AM (tqLft)

Get a handle, but don't break the seal.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 11:11 AM (wR+pz)

34 with okra...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2013 11:05 AM (tqLft)

*******

Not in Maine, surely. Maybe in Okrahoma!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 11:12 AM (pxDth)

35 Does the Modern Western Prostitutes course include field studies, IYKWIMAITYD?

Posted by: Ian S. at April 06, 2013 11:13 AM (OevbG)

36 Does anyone remember the big endowment fight at Princeton where a guy endowed a chair in Western Civilization and Princeton refused to teach it.

The heirs sued and recovered his endowment. I seem to remember he was an old A & P heir.

Robinson?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 11:13 AM (wR+pz)

37 A history major with no American history.... at all.

I hope they don't offer medical majors.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 11:14 AM (piMMO)

38 Read some of the comments in the article. One guy skimmed through a high school history book. When he asked the girls about Washington and Jefferson, the universal answer was 'they owned slaves.'

*face palm*

When history is framed that way, it inoculates this mindset that our Founding Fathers were no better than anyone else. So why should any of their other ideas be held in any high esteem.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 06, 2013 11:14 AM (7Tyhl)

39 Does anyone remember the big endowment fight at Princeton where a guy endowed a chair in Western Civilization and Princeton refused to teach it.

The heirs sued and recovered his endowment. I seem to remember he was an old A & P heir.

Robinson?
Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 11:13 AM (wR+pz)

Something similar happened at Dartmouth, IIRC. The conservative student paper exposed it.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 11:15 AM (qPCAa)

40 Off sock.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2013 11:15 AM (tqLft)

41 Liberalism is a plague. It infects the healthy host and won't stop until it completely destroys it all the while blaming the host

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 06, 2013 11:15 AM (viJ2Y)

42 I could have saved hima ton of money. It's cool though that he documented it though. The response from the left....................will be......silence.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 11:16 AM (bXdYS)

43 >> He say 4 or 5 of the faculty may be considered as "conservative" but 100% of them voted for Obama. I submit then that 0 of 183 are conservative.

No, Vic. "In the 2012 election cycle, 100% of faculty donations went to President Obama."

That's not the same thing as 100% of the faculty donating to Obama, much less voting for him.

If you were one of those 4 or 5 who might be conservative, would you donate above the reporting threshold? To sure loser Romney?

No fucking way.

Posted by: Andy at April 06, 2013 11:16 AM (OZPoa)

44 37 I hope they don't offer medical majors.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 11:14 AM (piMMO)

Bacteen and Voodoo...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2013 11:16 AM (tqLft)

45 As the dichotomy between people grounded in reality and people grounded in this shit grows, the latter are going to find themselves less and less able to use their purty mouths to continue to persuade the former to part with the fruits of their labor so the latter can continue their grievance-mongering.

Appeals to "the public good" fall flat once the public starts to notice that the only people deriving a paycheck for administering "the public good" are those whose definition of it is alien to those paying for it.

Posted by: BS Inc. at April 06, 2013 11:16 AM (gZ2Xq)

46 "Queer Gardens" (which "examines the work of gay and lesbian gardeners and traces how marginal identities find expression in specific garden spaces")

I don't know, sounds incredibly academically rigorous to me.

Posted by: mare at April 06, 2013 11:16 AM (A98Xu)

47 @36 Yale-Bass

Posted by: boniface ballers at April 06, 2013 11:17 AM (l3RZ9)

48 Bacteen and Voodoo...

***

I suspect chicken feet would be involved.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 11:17 AM (piMMO)

49
"Queer Gardens" (which "examines the work of gay and lesbian gardeners

and traces how marginal identities find expression in specific garden

spaces"),





Now that's something to major in.



Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 06, 2013 11:17 AM (viJ2Y)

50 41
Liberalism is a plague. It infects the healthy host and won't stop until
it completely destroys it all the while blaming the host


Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 06, 2013 11:15 AM
===========

I forget who it was that described it as 'Warm sugar-water. It tastes sweet, it makes you feel good..., but after a while, it rots your teeth...., and then it rots your entire system."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 11:18 AM (aDwsi)

51 "Queer Gardens" (which "examines the work of gay and lesbian gardeners and traces how marginal identities find expression in specific garden spaces")

I don't know, sounds incredibly academically rigorous to me.


****

If they made them GROW a garden, at least it would be a useful skill.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 11:18 AM (piMMO)

52 WTF goes to a liberal arts college in this economy? What's the friggen point?

Posted by: mare at April 06, 2013 11:19 AM (A98Xu)

53 In socialism cocooning turns this process upside down. They take a bright and curious mind and by wrapping it up in the strangling strands of identity politics smother that curious mind and transform it into a cold and congealed bowl of porridge.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 06, 2013 11:02 AM (7Tyhl)

The really sick thing is they disguise it as "consciousness raising" or learning "individual expression" so they teach you to think like everyone else, all the well making you think and feel like you are a radical challenge to the dominant culture.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 11:19 AM (qPCAa)

54 They don't teach about the Dead White Guys or the constitution anymore. They are being trained as obedient global citizens and worshippers of Gaia.

Posted by: Real Joe at April 06, 2013 11:19 AM (PD2ad)

55 #24 Mike Hammer:

Your state should have a history agency or state library. They should be able to tell you who to take the shards to.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 06, 2013 11:19 AM (gmoEG)

56
My Alma Mater (and current PhD program) recently started a "center for sustainability." And they've had something like a "Center for Global Citizenship for a while"

The former was pretty easy to figure out actually, it's a magnet for all the "green" grants that just seem to be flowing from everywhere these days. (Or at least that's how the money driven maniac of a President sees it, I'm sure the faculty think's it matters.)
The latter is to placate the liberals, who love to show up to the meetings and fly flags from other countries.

I'm reminded of when MO was busy passing the embryonic stem cell constitutional amendment. The thing was carefully crafted to funnel money to WashU by making it illegal to divert funding from Embryonic stem cell research even if the science moved a different direction.
It was casted a "protection for cures" or some bullshit. Wash U lobbied so hard people submitted they should have lost their NPO status.
Meanwhile SLU's campus ministry couldn't even be bothered with... you know... Catholicism. I knew the director of Campus Ministry at the time I gave her and earful and then just walked off. Hasn't changed much since. I'd probably have left by now except my department is surprisingly tolerable, our new chair is a huge anti-secularist, the assistant chair is a libertarian by most measures. And I just don't talk politics with the rest .

Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2013 11:20 AM (GaqMa)

57 I don't understand how everyone who has anything to do with this college doesn't die of shame.

What a complete embarrassment.

And "diversity" is now just as stupid in theory and practice as "social justice."

Posted by: mare at April 06, 2013 11:20 AM (A98Xu)

58 There was a Manhattan Institute panel on this a few days ago.

Video here:

http://tinyurl.com/d3rgw7l

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 06, 2013 11:21 AM (/wfB0)

59 Great, A school in Maine specializing in Angry Women's Studies where all the studends wear manatee gray frump dresses.

Gonna go there to see if I can pick up a date.

Posted by: sTevo at April 06, 2013 11:21 AM (VMcEw)

60 "Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted."

Lenin

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 06, 2013 11:21 AM (cHZB7)

61 The world is infected with an evil mind-virus called Socialism.

It won't be cured easily or anytime soon.

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2013 11:21 AM (Q0gEg)

62
After Obama steals the retirement accounts of the "rich,"he and his rapacious pack of spend-a-holics will need more money. And when he goes after the endowed wealth of the colleges and universities and the "charitable" foundations I will laugh and laugh. And know that the end is near, because they are eating their own.

Because that is where some real money is hidden.

Posted by: rd at April 06, 2013 11:22 AM (zLp5I)

63 @36

Damn I am good and close. Here is the story, it was Robertson, not Robinson.

$35 Million! NY Slime link

http://tinyurl.com/cwrga8e

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 11:22 AM (wR+pz)

64 Great, A school in Maine specializing in Angry Women's Studies where all the studends wear manatee gray frump dresses.

Gonna go there to see if I can pick up a date.

***

Ah, yes. My beloved alma mater.

Posted by: Kaye in Maine at April 06, 2013 11:22 AM (piMMO)

65 Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted."Lenin
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 06, 2013 11:21 AM (cHZB7)


Give me 1 semester and I can burn that garden fucking down.
--Me (Also Math, Also reality.)

Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2013 11:23 AM (GaqMa)

66 Well, I'm off to Reynolda Gardens, which I consider kind of a shrine to the 1%,where there isat least the appearance of it being an anti-Liberal bastion in a world where that's very rare. An estate and grounds built expressly for fun and parties, funded entirely byan eeeeevil tobacco titan. After the great conflagration, I hope to have a place much like it for myself...

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 06, 2013 11:23 AM (ZshNr)

67 Here's the closing paragraph of the report on Bowdown College:

"What does Bowdoin not teach? Intellectual modesty. Self-restraint. Hard work. Virtue. Self-criticism. Moderation. A broad framework of intellectual history. Survey courses. English composition. A course on Edmund Spenser. Acourse primarily on the American Founders. A course on the American Revolution. The history of Western civilization from classical times to the present. A course on the Christian philosophical tradition. Public speaking. Tolerance towards dissenting views. The predicates of critical thinking. A coherent body of knowledge. How to distinguish importance from triviality. Wisdom. Culture. "


Nice wrap-up I'd say.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 11:23 AM (pxDth)

68 Elizabethe, appeal to the high school would be rebel. Keep them emotional in their thinking and by the end of the four years they will know less than when they started. But will be full of guilt and anger thus making them the perfect cannon fodder for the revolution.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 06, 2013 11:24 AM (7Tyhl)

69 Manatee gray is this season's fuchsia.






(Surgeon General's Warning: Be careful how you pronounce that word)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 11:26 AM (pxDth)

70 Last year UNC Chapel Hill granted more Biology degrees than any other, but a close second was..., wait for it..., Mass Communications.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 11:26 AM (aDwsi)

71 WTF goes to a liberal arts college in this economy? What's the friggen point?

Trust fund kids who think feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat them last, is a good strategy.

Posted by: illegally posting anonymously on the internet at April 06, 2013 11:26 AM (feFL6)

72 Of course, no one ever told me in college that Critical Theory was designed to tear down the foundation of Western Civilization.

Now I always ask liberals...and then what? What is going to replace our way of life? Where is it better?

*crickets* They look stunned.

BTW where are those tapes from?

Posted by: PJ at April 06, 2013 11:27 AM (ZWaLo)

73 I just spent 123,000 for a degree and all I got was this queer garden and a "I Am Sandra Fluke" T-Shirt.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 11:28 AM (bXdYS)

74 And this is the school that produced Joshua Lawrence Chamberlin the "fighting professor". How times have changed.

Posted by: deepred at April 06, 2013 11:28 AM (rUiSC)

75 The 'more money than brains' crowd I would guess go there. After all this diploma mill has been around since 1794 so it must be 'good' at its job. And it also strokes the ego for going to such a well established bastion of gray walls covered in ivy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 06, 2013 11:28 AM (7Tyhl)

76 That's the ironic thing -- they'd probably look better in gray or dark colors. Most of the landwhales I see are wearing day-glo magenta or neon blue.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 06, 2013 11:28 AM (/wfB0)

77 Mass Communications.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 11:26 AM (aDwsi)

*******

Is that some kind of Catholic journalism course?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 11:29 AM (pxDth)

78
I wonder how many did a semester abroad as "human shields" for course credit? lol!

Posted by: Waldo Truth at April 06, 2013 11:29 AM (8yFIG)

79 Not the college Hawthorne and Longfellow would have remembered. It USED to be intellectually rigorous.

Posted by: FenelonSoke at April 06, 2013 11:29 AM (bddKN)

80 "But you won't be surprised to see some of the details, including the
curious freshman curriculum, which is short on anything you'd think of
as education and long on ... bullshit."

I've noted, upon asking various younger family members about their undergrad university coursework, that a huge amount of it now focuses around endless rehashings of slavery in America.

Slavery in America ended 148 years ago.

In fact, the current United States of America fought an intensely difficult war in the course of ending slavery in America.

Yet it's considered normative for undergraduates at American universities to have to undergo an endless self-flagellatory round of immersion in slavery topics, as though the practice had just been abolished last week.

What they don't seem to realize is that while racial slavery is a dead issue being promoted as a live one, there is a genuinely live issue of slavery. Debt slavery. Which is steadily clamping its shackles onto everyone in their generation regardless of their race (and especially so for college students racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of nondischargeable loans).

It's going to be a huge surprise to them when they realize that they were taught a bunch of crap with no modern relevance, while receiving no warnings about the very relevant impending servitude into which they are meekly marching.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 06, 2013 11:30 AM (gqT4g)

81 I'm surprised there's no "witchcraft through the ages" option.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 11:30 AM (qPCAa)

82 Seeing the videos, scales fall from eyes: The intolerance of those who demand tolerance --- thisis not just hypocrisy -- it is the essence of the plan.

Posted by: Die Trying at April 06, 2013 11:31 AM (w7J/R)

83 Famous graduates of Princeton:

Brooke Shields (graduated with honors in 1987)
Michelle Robinson Obama
Bill Bradley
James Baker
Donald Rumsfeld
Steve Forbes
Queen Noor of Jordan
Ralph Nader
Eric Schmidt of Google
Meg Whitman
Jimmy Stewart
Ethan Coen of the Coen Brothers
David Remnick (editor of the New Yorker)
Eliot Spitzer (Client #9)
David Duchovny (Mulder)
Jeff Bezos (Amazon founder)
David Petraeus (got his Ph.D in 1987, so conceivably met brooke Shields)
Dean Cain (Superman)


So, Princeton produces both the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. (Thought I would bring westerns in from the previous thread.)

Posted by: Miss Marple at April 06, 2013 11:32 AM (GoIUi)

84 "They analyzed the school's history back to its founding in 1794,
focusing on the past 45 years, during which, they argue, Bowdoin's
character changed dramatically for the worse."

45 years ago, you say?

(shifty eyes)

We don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: The Sixties at April 06, 2013 11:32 AM (gqT4g)

85 Do gay people garden differently from straight people? I mean is there really all that much to study about gay gardens, enough to fill a whole term?



And why is queer an ok word now to describe gay stuff? I find that word offensive because aren't they arguing no stop to be treated equally yet by saying queer they are making the case they are bad different not good different

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 11:32 AM (RZ8pf)

86 So why aren't we doing this shit constantly on every lefty institution there is?

Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 11:32 AM (MMC8r)

87 81 I'm surprised there's no "witchcraft through the ages" option.
Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 11:30 AM (qPCAa)

***********


They don't even teach basic spelling.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 11:33 AM (pxDth)

88
I'm surprised there's no "witchcraft through the ages" option.Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 11:30 AM (qPCAa)



Look for the Wiccan Studies program.

Posted by: rd at April 06, 2013 11:33 AM (zLp5I)

89 69
Manatee gray is this season's fuchsia.




(Surgeon General's Warning: Be careful how you pronounce that word)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 11:26 AM
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I have a friend whose last name is Fuchs....,I have to watch myself..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 11:33 AM (aDwsi)

90 I wonder to whom Mr. Klingenstein then gave his money to? Good for him for commissioning the study.

Posted by: FenelonSoke at April 06, 2013 11:33 AM (bddKN)

91 Good bayonet charge by Mr. Klingenstein.

Posted by: "Chamberlain" at April 06, 2013 11:33 AM (MZexC)

92 Liberally liberal, like rape rape.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 06, 2013 11:33 AM (MhA4j)

93 "Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for LGBT arugula?"

Posted by: The Precedent at April 06, 2013 11:33 AM (feFL6)

94 38 Read some of the comments in the article. One guy skimmed through a high school history book. When he asked the girls about Washington and Jefferson, the universal answer was 'they owned slaves.'

*face palm*

When history is framed that way, it inoculates this mindset that our Founding Fathers were no better than anyone else. So why should any of their other ideas be held in any high esteem.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 06, 2013 11:14 AM (7Tyhl)


Exactly. See the 1963 "Communist Goals", particularly #29 and 30.

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Posted by: rickl at April 06, 2013 11:33 AM (sdi6R)

95 So why aren't we doing this shit constantly on every lefty institution there is?Posted by: zsasz ............................Because the left who controls the media and academia sees it asa feature and not a bug.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 11:34 AM (bXdYS)

96 89 Ashkenazic "fox"

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 06, 2013 11:34 AM (MhA4j)

97 85 Do gay people garden differently from straight people? I mean is there really all that much to study about gay gardens, enough to fill a whole term?

I think the difference is in the salad dressing. IYKWIMAITYD

Posted by: Waldo Truth at April 06, 2013 11:35 AM (8yFIG)

98 And why is queer an ok word now to describe gay stuff? I find that word offensive because aren't they arguing no stop to be treated equally yet by saying queer they are making the case they are bad different not good different
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 11:32 AM (RZ8pf)

*********

'Queer' no longer means 'homosexual'. In the context of Bowdoin College gardening classes it now means 'stoopid'.



What? Hey, if they can redefine the language, so can wel.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 11:35 AM (pxDth)

99 Tar,

Several years ago in STL, the masons sued SLU and the state over construction funding for SLUs basketball arena.

Church and State separation.

SLU proceeded to argue in court that it wasn't really a Catholic school, but merely a school in the Catholic tradition, unconnected to the Church.

The masons lawyers were flabbergasted, and SLU got it's funding. You can look it up, it's stunning.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 11:35 AM (Hi24w)

100 I have a friend whose last name is Fuchs....,I have to watch myself..


Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 11:33 AM (aDwsi)
----One on my favorite Chinese sides is Fuukin Rice.

Posted by: sTevo at April 06, 2013 11:35 AM (VMcEw)

101 99 was to Tsr, dang autocorrect.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 11:36 AM (Hi24w)

102 Gay gardening?

Was Homosexual Basketweaving full?

Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 11:36 AM (MMC8r)

103 seriously, though, people who are angry about this should support groups like ISI (Intercollegiate Studies Institute) or IHS (Institute for Humane Studies), or the Fund for American Studies all of which support conservative ideals, students, reading groups, professors, student newspapers on campuses across the country.

there are more, but those are just off the top of my head.

Or if you are an alum who gives, give directly to a conservative center/paper on campus and write a letter (or letters, like every year) to the alumni foundation explaining why you won't donate to the general fund.

college education is upstream of culture.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 11:36 AM (qPCAa)

104 I think the difference is in the salad dressing. IYKWIMAITYDPosted by: Waldo Truth ..............................You bastard!

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 11:37 AM (bXdYS)

105 86 too easy, that.

Rather, find the affordable yet reputable school with a balanced curriculum that also includes job preparation for graduate employment in the current market.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 06, 2013 11:37 AM (MhA4j)

106 Yeah the immersive slavery studies starts all the way in elementary school now. My son's class spent a month on the slavery unit. It was more time than they have spent on any other us history topic this year. That is 5 days a week for a month they spent an hour in the classroom discussing slavery. In 5th grade.


Sorry I repeat myself but it is still a bit unbelievable to me.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 11:37 AM (RZ8pf)

107 85 Do gay people garden differently from straight people?

I believe lesbian foliage is thicker, lusher...

Posted by: real joe at April 06, 2013 11:38 AM (PD2ad)

108 So, I'm guessing that the illiterate librarian at this liberal arts college with its liberal curriculum has been liberally imbibing liberating libations, probably imported from Liberia?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 11:38 AM (pxDth)

109 95
So why aren't we doing this shit constantly on every lefty institution
there is?Posted by: zsasz ............................Because the left
who controls the media and academia sees it asa feature and not a bug.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 11:34 AM
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One of my modest contributions is to drop in at Huff Po and make pointed observations. Go armed with irrefutable facts, links, hard data. Never offer opinion, never respond, never give them an opening, just explode their myths. If just one brain-dead, mind-washed tard is caused to wonder about their own mindset, it is worth it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 11:38 AM (aDwsi)

110 107
85 Do gay people garden differently from straight people?



I believe lesbian foliage is thicker, lusher...

Posted by: real joe at April 06, 2013 11:38 AM
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Crap! Gotta clean the damn desk now....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 11:40 AM (aDwsi)

111 85 Do gay people garden differently from straight people?
*******


I've heard they wear sensible shoes.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 11:40 AM (pxDth)

112 We all knew this stuff was going on.

Now we have documented proof.

We need to take back education.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 06, 2013 11:40 AM (Vk2pI)

113 One of my modest contributions is to drop in at Huff Po and make pointed observations. Go armed with irrefutable facts, links, hard data. Never offer opinion, never respond, never give them an opening, just explode their myths. If just one brain-dead, mind-washed tard is caused to wonder about their own mindset, it is worth it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer ..........................................Funny I do that too. I lob a grenade in and sit back and laugh at them tripping over each other. Hard to resist calling them all fuckwits though.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 11:41 AM (bXdYS)

114 85 Do gay people garden differently from straight people?
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They have not have greener thumbs.

Posted by: sTevo at April 06, 2013 11:41 AM (VMcEw)

115 I guess gay gardens are probably more "fabulous" than the straight ones.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 11:41 AM (RZ8pf)

116 What? Hey, if they can redefine the language, so can we.

--

And should we decide to ignore slang and retain the urtext definition, so let it be written, so let it be done.

Posted by: Let My People Go Pharaoh Who Knew Not Joseph at April 06, 2013 11:41 AM (MhA4j)

117 I believe lesbian foliage is thicker, lusher...

Posted by: real joe at April 06, 2013 11:38 AM

Well we know they are fatter,


http://tinyurl.com/a4vwmqa

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 11:41 AM (wR+pz)

118 I'd like to buy this Klingenstein chap a beer. Pray I win Powerball so I can give my alma maters a richly deserved"Klingenstein".

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at April 06, 2013 11:42 AM (ZHC7b)

119 And the liberal response to the report from an alumni: You guys are regressives who want to keep white men in power-naturally:

Ha ha…good one. Is this a spoof? Someone put a lot of work into such an elaborate April Fools joke. Wait, is this a serious report? Are you guys the same people who were outside the coffee shop today with the “Impeach Obama” poster with a Hitler mustache drawn on it?The problem with people like NAS is that you are willing to defend traditional values and the like while keeping your heads deep in the sand and excluding “diversity” from your little circle of “traditional.”
According to you, “The new Bowdoin dedicated itself to the achievement of social justice and to reshaping America in the image of progressive politics.” Wow, just awful, huh? Social justice and progress. It just keeps me up at night, rolling and sweating, worrying about how my Bowdoin education encouraged me to be concerned about others. I wish I had been born a few decades - or centuries - earlier and could have been encouraged to perpetuate the same old discrimination that kept your wonderful and traditional Great White Men in power. Yep, I sure do miss regressive values.Too bad none of you NAS writers ever had a professor inspire you to greater humanity. Bowdoin has a few of them kicking around; maybe you should go sit in on some classes before your next book report.

Posted by: FenelonSoke at April 06, 2013 11:42 AM (bddKN)

120 113
One of my modest contributions is to drop in at Huff Po and make pointed
observations. Go armed with irrefutable facts, links, hard data. Never
offer opinion, never respond, never give them an opening, just explode
their myths. If just one brain-dead, mind-washed tard is caused to
wonder about their own mindset, it is worth it.
Posted by: Mike
Hammer ..........................................Funny I do that too. I
lob a grenade in and sit back and laugh at them tripping over each
other. Hard to resist calling them all fuckwits though.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 11:41 AM
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Yeah..., a bit like being in the muck of a WWI trench and not speaking ill of the Hun.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 11:42 AM (aDwsi)

121 My guess is lesbians are fat because they eat too much and don't exercise. Sending me a check or direct deposit?

Posted by: real joe at April 06, 2013 11:43 AM (PD2ad)

122 So for those of you who are not familiar with the National Association of Scholars referenced in the article and report, a subgroup of the NAS also critically examined the contemporary curriculum at the University of Commiefornia, and concluded, not surprisingly, that it is unfit for purpose.

Unless the purpose is inculcating Marxist radical crap. At which UC excels.

http://tinyurl.com/7s7u8td

Posted by: torquewrench at April 06, 2013 11:43 AM (gqT4g)

123 Fuchs is a type of wheel most commonly associated with Porsche 911s and such, usually called the cookie wheel. Also the name of a German Whermahct wheeled armored vehicle, a variant is used by the US Army in the NBC role. Also the last name of a Soviet spy on the Manhattan Project - Klaus Fuchs.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 06, 2013 11:43 AM (7Tyhl)

124 But at least their tuition is rapidly outpacing inflation! Wait, wha... ?

Posted by: Dang at April 06, 2013 11:43 AM (R18D0)

125 106 Yeah the immersive slavery studies starts all the way in elementary school now. My son's class spent a month on the slavery unit. It was more time than they have spent on any other us history topic this year. That is 5 days a week for a month they spent an hour in the classroom discussing slavery. In 5th grade.


Sorry I repeat myself but it is still a bit unbelievable to me.
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 11:37 AM (RZ8pf)


Isn't it ironic that the freest society in human history is being taught as a story of unending slavery and oppression?

And I'll bet that they don't put it in context, such as showing how slavery was practiced in practically every culture from time immemorial. No, America invented slavery, therefore America is evil.

Posted by: rickl at April 06, 2013 11:43 AM (sdi6R)

126 121
My guess is lesbians are fat because they eat too much and don't exercise. Sending me a check or direct deposit?

Posted by: real joe at April 06, 2013 11:43 AM
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For cripes sake, Joe..., get on the gravy train..., apply for grant.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 11:44 AM (aDwsi)

127 What's especially hysterical is reading the comments. In a report that claims that the college breeds a close-minded, intolerant mentality, the libs refute the premise by scoffing at the report and accusing the authors of wanting to bring back Jim Crow. These idiots do more to prove the report's premise than the report itself.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at April 06, 2013 11:44 AM (81ahw)

128 Mike, I want to open a solar panel factory. I just need to know who to grease in the administration.

Posted by: real joe at April 06, 2013 11:45 AM (PD2ad)

129 Do gay people garden differently from straight people? I mean is there really all that much to study about gay gardens, enough to fill a whole term?

Why is everybody looking at me?

Posted by: P. Allen Smith at April 06, 2013 11:45 AM (29vnO)

130 Yes, all they know of US History is the founders owned slaves. My liberal cousin says, well, are you opposed to telling the truth about our founders?

Now I say, what about the "truth" about Woodrow Wilson and FDR? We hear nothing of Wilson's racism, imprisonment of dissidents, FDR's edicts that made the depression worse and ushered in the ponzi schemes of socialism.

And I would watch the one-hour panel discussion about Bowdoin, but why the fuck don't they stop talking to themselves and get this information out in the public?

They are even teaching critical theory now in English lit in high school here. I shudder at the thought.

Posted by: PJ at April 06, 2013 11:46 AM (ZWaLo)

131 Witchcraft is probably called Wiccan Studies. And will have nothing to with the actual religion of Wiccan. Just more Womyn Studies of Oppression and Anger dressed up as saving Mother Earth from angry white men who want to rape Gaia of all her resources.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 06, 2013 11:46 AM (7Tyhl)

132 Because of course according to the alumni. conservatives professors couldn't inspire a person to "greater humanity". Cons are just MEAN. ROTFL.

Posted by: FenelonSoke at April 06, 2013 11:47 AM (bddKN)

133 I have actual first-hand knowledge of lesbian gardening. My SIL on the west coast is a woman in comfortable shoes. She and her um, companion, have a garden of native plants. They are activists against invasive foreign plant species. Though they are cool with illegal immigrants.*
*I don't work for AP.

Posted by: real joe at April 06, 2013 11:47 AM (PD2ad)

134
Posted by: FenelonSoke at April 06, 2013

Diversity is a fact and not a virtue. If you need a professor to inspire you then you probably have other issues. If it takes a college to get you to be concerned about others, well. See above. Your reply is typical of someone cocooned in your little enclave that is devoid of any true intellectual diversity. Your disdain for anyone outside of it is palpable.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 11:48 AM (bXdYS)

135 Rickl no they do not put slavery in context. I already told this here but I will repeat it, my son got a question wrong on the slavery unit test because he answered the statement "slavery didn't exist in what is now the Americas until after Columbus arrived" as false. Because he knows that both the native American tribes and some of the central and south American cultures had slavery.


The right answer was "true" according to what they learned in their slavery unit. It was about African slavery only. Even though the question didn't use the phrase "African slave trade"

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 11:49 AM (RZ8pf)

136 Posted by: Paul Zummo at April 06, 2013 11:44 AM (81ahw)

Yep!

Posted by: FenelonSoke at April 06, 2013 11:49 AM (bddKN)

137 74
And this is the school that produced Joshua Lawrence Chamberlin the "fighting professor". How times have changed.

Wonder if they even teach the history of the 20th Maine?

http://goo.gl/IzEoh

Posted by: 20thMaine at April 06, 2013 11:49 AM (ttBv4)

138 Mike, I want to open a solar panel factory. I just need to know who to grease in the administration.

***

Global Cooling will be the next greatest threat. Of course, they'll never concede that AGW was a farce, they will just find a way to point to AGW as the cause of AGC.

I'm trying to think of the next great cottage industry. And, by "cottage", I mean the next industry to drain the taxpayer of every last dime.

I want my tax dollars back!

Posted by: Kaye in Maine at April 06, 2013 11:51 AM (piMMO)

139 I hear they have a great program in lesbian math.

Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 11:51 AM (MMC8r)

140 "Your reply is typical of someone cocooned in your little enclave that is devoid of any true intellectual diversity. Your disdain for anyone outside of it is palpable."

Really? What's my little enclave? Do tell me more

Posted by: FenelonSoke at April 06, 2013 11:51 AM (bddKN)

141 off sock

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 11:51 AM (piMMO)

142 They are even teaching critical theory now in English lit in high school here. I shudder at the thought.

Two types (from Wiki);
''As a term, critical theory has two meanings with different origins and histories: the first originated in sociology and the second originated in literary criticism.''

Posted by: illegally posting anonymously on the internet at April 06, 2013 11:52 AM (feFL6)

143 106. Yeah the immersive slavery studies starts all the way in elementary school now. My son's class spent a month on the slavery unit.

--

And yet Pope Francis' Easter Message highlighted the current global plight of human slavery.

So how does US elementary curriculum enlighten today's youth regarding slavery?

Stuck on the European practice that "created" Colonial/Antebellum US economy, now "requiring" perpetual victim-status (i.e., tax funded benefit "entitlements") in order to achieve social-justice for anyone not deemed "white".

Nowhere near the mark, educating students regarding the human trafficking terrorism preventing/destroying Liberty. Not to mention nowhere near the mark of God Given Natural Rights or at least the US Bill of Rights spelled out.

"Education." Just staying stuck on stupid is as stupid does. Now stfu and fill in the blanks just like you see on the screen/board, kids.

Posted by: Let My People Go Pharaoh Who Knew Not Joseph at April 06, 2013 11:52 AM (MhA4j)

144 What's funny about the whole evil white dudes owning slaves bullshit is that you never seem to hear about the evil black dudes who sold their brethren into slavery.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 11:52 AM (piMMO)

145 Liberals are mentally ill.

An idiot informed me in our paper today that "conservatives hate Obama because he's just like Jesus. He's doing what Jesus tells him to do. And people hated Jesus."

*double facepalm*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 06, 2013 11:53 AM (lVPtV)

146 The elementary school kids know everything about Harriet Tubman but draw a blank on Jefferson.

Posted by: real joe at April 06, 2013 11:53 AM (PD2ad)

147 144 What's funny about the whole evil white dudes owning slaves bullshit is that you never seem to hear about the evil black dudes who sold their brethren into slavery.


And how every fucking day the Blacks in this country should get on their knees and thank them, otherwise they would still be in fucking Africa.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 11:55 AM (wR+pz)

148 They've gone from teaching facts to teaching opinion, and overwhelming ONE opinion.

Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 11:55 AM (MMC8r)

149 How come male queers are "gay" and females are "lesbian"?

Bad PR? Should there not be a more innocent name? Lesbian just seems so judgmental.

Posted by: nip at April 06, 2013 11:55 AM (lGVXf)

150 Especially funny that a lot of the evil black dudes that sold their fellow blacks into slavery were Muslim. And that the Muslims were huge slave traders, and especially liked them some yummy white folk to use and abuse.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 11:55 AM (RZ8pf)

151 Do gay people garden differently from straight people?

You'd think it involves planting seeds that never sprout.

Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 11:56 AM (MMC8r)

152 left a comment at the NAS site, ya'll go there. It is pretty moron friendly.

Posted by: Artruen at April 06, 2013 11:56 AM (fDGF1)

153 Wow, a yearlong seminar on gay gardeners throughout history. Must be one hell of a course load. Starts way back in ancient times when some dude sucked a dick before harvest time, all the way to modern times when your fish breath neighbor watered her lawn. Fascinating.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 06, 2013 11:56 AM (o7z5c)

154 144 What's funny about the whole evil white dudes owning slaves bullshit is that you never seem to hear about the evil black dudes who sold their brethren into slavery.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 11:52 AM (piMMO)


Nor the fact that Muslims from North Africa routinely raided European coastal areas for centuries during the Middle Ages and took slaves.

I believe that modern day Tunisia (I think) has an awful lot of people with red hair and green eyes.

Posted by: rickl at April 06, 2013 11:57 AM (sdi6R)

155 How come male queers are "gay" and females are "lesbian"?

Geraldo recently said that 'homosexual' is a biased term.

Not like the happy euphemisms of PC culture.

Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 11:57 AM (MMC8r)

156 Posted by: FenelonSoke at April 06, 2013

It's a sock. Not even someone who went to Bowdoin could be that ignorant.

Posted by: Mr Optimism at April 06, 2013 11:57 AM (uPbpg)

157 You'd think it involves planting seeds that never sprout.

Or turning pots over and planting seeds in the wrong end.

Posted by: illegally posting anonymously on the internet at April 06, 2013 11:57 AM (feFL6)

158 139 I hear they have a great program in lesbian math.
Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 11:51 AM (MMC8r)


I muffed that one. D -

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2013 11:57 AM (tqLft)

159 Re: Alt Energy

The thing to do is to be extremely vague in your description of your alternative energy form. Then go for the grant. After you receive the grant explore all the different ways to burn garbage to produce heat and electricity.

Posted by: sTevo at April 06, 2013 11:58 AM (VMcEw)

160 150 Especially funny that a lot of the evil black dudes that sold their fellow blacks into slavery were Muslim. And that the Muslims were huge slave traders, and especially liked them some yummy white folk to use and abuse.
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 11:55 AM (RZ8pf)


Muslims are and have always been the world's preeminent slave traders. This is a fact that's studiously avoided by the "celebrate diversity" crowd.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at April 06, 2013 11:58 AM (JQuNB)

161 "The right answer was 'true' according to what they learned in their
slavery unit. It was about African slavery only. Even though the
question didn't use the phrase 'African slave trade'".

Your son is learning, PGIS. Learning about leftist educrats.

Coach him on this carefully. He doesn't have to -- and he shouldn't -- take their nonsense to heart or commit it to memory. Tell him to reserve those efforts for substantive educational topics, i.e., not identity politics.

What he does have to do is to learn how to parrot it back to them faithfully long enough to earn the grade.

Because, make no mistake, those lefty educators *will* petulantly retaliate against anyone who asks inconvenient questions or confronts their dogma with outside facts. They talk incessantly about "dialogue" but they have no intention whatsoever of engaging in one. Merely in haranguing and indoctrinating.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 06, 2013 11:58 AM (gqT4g)

162 151
Do gay people garden differently from straight people?



You'd think it involves planting seeds that never sprout.

Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 11:56 AM
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Damnit! (Cleaning coffee off the desk..., again)

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 11:58 AM (aDwsi)

163 146 The elementary school kids know everything about Harriet Tubman but draw a blank on Jefferson.
Posted by: real joe at April 06, 2013 11:53 AM (PD2ad)


Ask them who formed the Klan and I'm the answers will amaze and despair.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 06, 2013 11:58 AM (tqLft)

164 I think the "Witchcraft Through the Ages" seminar was taught by Eye of Newt Gingrich.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 11:59 AM (pxDth)

165 Regarding "Critical Theory," I noticed some years ago that, amidst all the pointing fingers and accusations of alleged wrongdoing, none of the critics could evercite a better culture. There were no concrete examples of any country or people who ever lived perfect lives in harmony with everyone else.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 06, 2013 12:01 PM (+z4pE)

166 150 Especially funny that a lot of the evil black dudes that sold their fellow blacks into slavery were Muslim. And that the Muslims were huge slave traders, and especially liked them some yummy white folk to use and abuse.
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 11:55 AM (RZ8pf)


You posted while I was writing my #154.

Anyway, I've read that Barack Hussein Obama Sr. had some Arab ancestry. Since he was African, his ancestors were never enslaved in America.

Which means that the SCOAMF is much more likely to have slave traders in his family tree than slaves.

Posted by: rickl at April 06, 2013 12:02 PM (sdi6R)

167 If you haven't read it..., I recommend John Derbyshire's book "Doomed". It is a remarkably well documented study of contemporary American society. You won't feel better though.....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 12:02 PM (aDwsi)

168 Really? What's my little enclave? Do tell me morePosted by: FenelonSoke ...........................Because you automatically assume that people here are opposed to justice and or diversity. Diversity isa fact and not a virtue. "Social justice" is usually code for, hey you should feel guilty because some other people who you had nothing to do with a long time ago were assholes. So by default anything positive that this country has done or ever will do is nullified because of it.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 12:03 PM (bXdYS)

169 I appreciate the words of a wise person from your town paper, Ms. D'oh. Whenever I look at President Obama I immediately think of Jesus. What shines forth, in particular, is his humility. I bet he was washing feet of people a couple of days before Easter. Can't you just tell President Obama is all about serving others with no consideration for himself or his own interests? I'm just hoping our new Jesus who didn't regard equality with God as something to be grasped at but came in the form of a servant won't be put on the cross by evil right wingers who hate him because he's so very humble.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein'sother sister at April 06, 2013 12:03 PM (bddKN)

170 Know what that college if good for?

The Navy base two miles down the road.

Bow chica bow wow.

Used to be a single seaman at that base. Good college.

Posted by: mellow at April 06, 2013 12:03 PM (BNT0Y)

171
My daughter did her undergrad work at UW- Madison. Her minor was in Women's Studies. Don't laugh. She votes a straight conservative ticket every election.

You can survive indoctrination, but it isn't easy.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 12:03 PM (P6QsQ)

172 Do queer gardens include lots of little fairy sculptures?

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 12:05 PM (RZ8pf)

173 Oh, yes; I can tell you've read many of my posts. ROFTL.

Goodbye.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein'sother sister at April 06, 2013 12:05 PM (bddKN)

174 166
150 Especially funny that a lot of the evil black dudes that sold
their fellow blacks into slavery were Muslim. And that the Muslims were
huge slave traders, and especially liked them some yummy white folk to
use and abuse.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 11:55 AM (RZ8pf)



You posted while I was writing my #154.



Anyway, I've read that Barack Hussein Obama Sr. had some Arab
ancestry. Since he was African, his ancestors were never enslaved in
America.



Which means that the SCOAMF is much more likely to have slave traders in his family tree than slaves.

Posted by: rickl at April 06, 2013 12:02 PM
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Probably. I never tire of pointing out that the California teachers unions were invested in Bushmaster. Thus, the teachers unions were the ones who profited from the Sandy Hook massacre..., not the NRA. Not a lot of press about the teacher's union making 'blood money'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 12:05 PM (aDwsi)

175 Oops. Mary Cloggenstein's other sister was actually me. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 06, 2013 12:06 PM (bddKN)

176 I'm always perplexed why the liberal educators, focused on the evils of slavery in America, never mention who started the practice of slavery in America. You'd think Jamestown's Anthony Johnson would feature prominently during Black History Month, I mean, a black man was the first slaver, that's a pretty fucking impressive black achievement. Oh wait, I think I just answered my question.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 06, 2013 12:06 PM (o7z5c)

177 171
My daughter did her undergrad work at UW- Madison. Her minor was in Women's Studies. Don't laugh. She votes a straight conservative ticket every election.

You can survive indoctrination, but it isn't easy.
Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 12:03 PM (P6QsQ)

My daughters also threw off their chains.

I am we'll pleased with them.

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2013 12:07 PM (Q0gEg)

178
Probably. I never tire of pointing out that the
California teachers unions were invested in Bushmaster. Thus, the
teachers unions were the ones who profited from the Sandy Hook
massacre..., not the NRA. Not a lot of press about the teacher's union
making 'blood money'.


Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 12:05 PM
=========

I, in fact, pointed the above out over at Huff Po. The only response I got spluttered, "But, but..., they've sold that since the massacre."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 12:07 PM (aDwsi)

179 I hate to say it, being a gay, former liberal activist, but Pat Robertson was right about Feminism.

Posted by: Baldy at April 06, 2013 12:07 PM (opS9C)

180 130 PJ

yep.

Those tricksy earliest colonists being themselves indentured servants. The pesky natives refused to play slave for the expansionist newbies. And the rest is just more of the same history.

"Victors write history". The Greatest Generation gave up the ghost to socialism. And that goes for the boomer compassionate-neoconservatives as well as the liberally-liberal bleeding hearts. It's never their own blood they're willing to spill, btw. Just tax the other guy more, but not me.

Not funny, as the liberally-liberal jerks refuse to pay the higher taxes he/she forced into law. Precedence, Paulson/Geithner, "But first taxpayers will blow me."

Posted by: Let My People Go Pharaoh Who Knew Not Joseph at April 06, 2013 12:08 PM (MhA4j)

181 Sigh

Well, iPad, well.

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2013 12:08 PM (Q0gEg)

182 It's a sock. Not even someone who went to Bowdoin could be that ignorant.

You're more optimistic than I am, Mr. Optimism. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 06, 2013 12:08 PM (bddKN)

183 WTF?!

#RapedByASlothAndItWasAmazing hashtag is trending on Twitter...

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 06, 2013 12:08 PM (Vk2pI)

184 Used to be a single seaman at that base. Good college.
Posted by: mellow at April 06, 2013 12:03 PM (BNT0Y)

********


Hmmmmm. Seems like there ought to be a Moron joke somewhere in that sentence.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 12:09 PM (pxDth)

185 "Victors write history".


Tell me about it.

Posted by: Jefferson Davis at April 06, 2013 12:09 PM (wR+pz)

186 After reading 1493 I know the real villi an in the slave trade to the Americas was actually the mosquito. If Mosquitos hadn't decimated the white labor populations from northern Europe as soon as they got off the boats there would have been a ready supply of cheaper labor than what the slave trade charged.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 12:09 PM (RZ8pf)

187 180
130 PJ



yep.



Those tricksy earliest colonists being themselves indentured
servants. The pesky natives refused to play slave for the expansionist
newbies. And the rest is just more of the same history.



"Victors write history". The Greatest Generation gave up the ghost
to socialism. And that goes for the boomer
compassionate-neoconservatives as well as the liberally-liberal bleeding
hearts. It's never their own blood they're willing to spill, btw. Just
tax the other guy more, but not me.



Not funny, as the liberally-liberal jerks refuse to pay the higher
taxes he/she forced into law. Precedence, Paulson/Geithner, "But first
taxpayers will blow me."

Posted by: Let My People Go Pharaoh Who Knew Not Joseph at April 06, 2013 12:08 PM
=================

One of my g-g..g-grandfathers was shipped to Barbados as a bond slave after the Monmouth Uprising in England.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 12:10 PM (aDwsi)

188 My daughters also threw off their chains.



I am we'll pleased with them.

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2013 12:07 PM (Q0gEg)

----------------
My daughter graduated from a very small Christian high school, after attending their very small Christian grade school. She was adamant about going to a large public college so that she could widen her perspective and come to her own conclusions.
She did, and she did. Still a Christian conservative.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 12:10 PM (P6QsQ)

189 TPH, are you trying to generate buzz for some obscure new anime?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 06, 2013 12:11 PM (7Tyhl)

190 But Baldy how is your garden?

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 12:11 PM (RZ8pf)

191 Regarding "Critical Theory,"

...deconstruction,

Tear Down These Walls

Obama "teaching" Jericho foundation kids at Rev. Wright's congregation.

Posted by: Let My People Go Pharaoh Who Knew Not Joseph at April 06, 2013 12:11 PM (MhA4j)

192 "But, but..., they've sold that since the massacre."
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 12:07 PM (aDwsi)

*******

Given what gun sales have done the last three months, quite likely they sold for a nice profit.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 12:11 PM (pxDth)

193 Seamus, a spurned sperm?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 06, 2013 12:11 PM (7Tyhl)

194 As I've pointed out, this is a theological conflict.

At the core, leftism is a belief in relativism (moral and rights), emotivism, and aristocracy.

I've had success in pointing this out to leftists.

In many ways, it's a negative-theology, it doesn't believe in anything except itself, and its only real assertions are that everything else is wrong. Because they do not believe in reason, it is nearly impossible to reason with them. That's how the left wants it, so as to keep them trapped.

Home schooling is essential.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 12:11 PM (Hi24w)

195 and to think, college grads are flabbergasted that employers aren't getting into a bidding war for their skills

But I suppose that Bowdoin is training a new generation of Mary Clogginsteins, so there's that

Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 12:12 PM (mCvL4)

196 Is gay gardening a euphemism for composting? There's no fertile soil here.

Posted by: Fritz at April 06, 2013 12:12 PM (WM+rJ)

197 WTF?!

#RapedByASlothAndItWasAmazing hashtag is trending on Twitter...

***

Right. But the several hundred tweets I pulled for #ObamasBadBasketballExcuses never did trend.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 12:12 PM (piMMO)

198 Given what gun sales have done the last three months, quite likely they sold for a nice profit. Posted by: Seamus MuldoonSomeone should ask them if they donated their profit to the victims families?

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 12:12 PM (bXdYS)

199 I just spent 123,000 for a degree and all I got was this queer garden and a "I Am Sandra Fluke" T-Shirt.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 11:28 AM (bXdYS)

If only, my silly Liberal boss who retired yesterday is still paying off his daughter's $300,000 worth of student loans to Dartmouth. She graduated from there about 10 years ago, got an MFA from University of Chicago, which she financed herself. Since her graduation she has specialized in working in "interesting institutions in fabulous cities" for peanuts. This young lady turned down an all expenses paid free ride through a Masters degree in a state school, because state schools are icky or some such. Too bad that this extremely unattractive and large princess (she looks a lot like the ladies stomping the grapes in the old Lucille Ball skit) did not take them up on their offer, she would be through her doctorate by now and be able to be in management in those institutions instead of an over-educated lackey and dogsbody to those PHDs.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, FLLDFC Gangstette Wily Wench at April 06, 2013 12:13 PM (kXoT0)

200 192
"But, but..., they've sold that since the massacre."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 12:07 PM (aDwsi)



*******



Given what gun sales have done the last three months, quite likely they sold for a nice profit.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 12:11 PM
=============

They should have retained the investment, and no doubt would have...., except, well..., you know.., logic don't apply.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 12:13 PM (aDwsi)

201 Sloths are slow. Don't you think if one tried to rape you you would be able to get away from it?

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 12:14 PM (RZ8pf)

202 Paranoidgirlinseattle, please arrange a meeting with that teacher and the principal. Ask to see the test and the material on which it was based. Ask if it was teacher-prepared or part of the materials supplied by the textbook company. Insist that the question be re-rewritten in the future and that a point be added to all the students' tests.

Take. Back Your. Schools.

Yes, homeschooling is an option, but that leaves the low-information voters' kids at the mercy of the system.

Go to school board meetings. Demand to see the approved curriculum in all subjects for every grade. Demand to review the textbooks. Ask the board how do they know the teachers are teaching the approved curriculum. Ask to sit in on classes (you will need to request this in advance, but the public is allowed to observe classes.) Find out what degrees the teachers have and from where.

I teach English. I have a BA in English from a small liberal arts women's college and a master's in secondary English education. I am appalled by how few English courses English education majors actually take and that most never have a course in the teaching of standard English grammar. I end up teacher that to my student teachers.

I explain allusions to the the Bible, mythology, art, history, literature, you name it. When my students ask me how do I know so much, I reply (tongue in cheek), "I am extensively and expensively educated."

I allow my students to hold any opinion they want without censure or censoring, but they have to be able to support their opinion with reasons.

Once again, please don't condemn public education; condemn (if you must) specific schools or district.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 06, 2013 12:14 PM (Z9dwd)

203 187 Mike Hammer, bond slaves...

Then there's Australia, etc. British colonization. Either hang in England, or board the ship. Free will.

Posted by: Let My People Go Pharaoh Who Knew Not Joseph at April 06, 2013 12:15 PM (MhA4j)

204
Regarding "Critical Theory,"

...deconstruction,

Tear Down These Walls

Obama "teaching" Jericho foundation kids at Rev. Wright's congregation.


It's a sad fact, but a true one: 'tis much easier to tear down than to build.

It seems to me that the history of Man consists of nothing more than one group of like-minded individuals deciding on how best to live together, and another group trying to destroy what little harmony can be found in such an arrangement.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 06, 2013 12:15 PM (+z4pE)

205
"Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for LGBT arugula?"

Posted by: The Precedent at April 06, 2013 11:33 AM (feFL6)


Barry stocks up on flaming cucumbers

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 06, 2013 12:15 PM (viJ2Y)

206 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, FLLDFC Gangstette Wily Wench ................300K! Wow! Did you laugh in your Boss' face now that he's retiring? After a couple of drinks I don't think I could have avoided the temptation.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 12:16 PM (bXdYS)

207 193 Seamus, a spurned sperm?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 06, 2013 12:11 PM (7Tyhl)

********

Actually I was thinking along the lines of the old joke-


Q- Why do they call camels ships of the desert?

A- Because they are full of Arab seamen.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 12:16 PM (pxDth)

208 After reading 1493 I know the real villi an in the slave trade to the Americas was actually the mosquito. If Mosquitos hadn't decimated the white labor populations from northern Europe as soon as they got off the boats there would have been a ready supply of cheaper labor than what the slave trade charged.

***

Mosquitoes have been blamed with making St. Augustine the first European settlement in the U.S. It seems that, initially, they settled up the creek in what is now Middleburg, FL, but the mosquitoes drove them back to the shore.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 12:16 PM (piMMO)

209 I'm always perplexed why the liberal educators,
focused on the evils of slavery in America, never mention who started
the practice of slavery in America. Posted by: mugiwara at April 06, 2013 12:06 PM (o7z5c)

The Liberals also like to gloss over who was rounding up the slaves in Africa and sending them to market. That would be other Black Africans from warring tribes selling to the Muslim slave markets. You would also think that all the angst in re slavery would somehow attach to the Muslims, particularly in Saudi Arabia hold slaves today.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, FLLDFC Gangstette Wily Wench at April 06, 2013 12:18 PM (kXoT0)

210
>>>Sloths are slow. Don't you think if one tried to rape you you would be able to get away from it?

That's the problem, you never suspect them of spiking your drink with Rufinol.

Posted by: garrett at April 06, 2013 12:18 PM (SFvgr)

211 I posted this in the dying morning thread:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/once-in-a-lifetime-shots

Mostly off-topic, but there is a sloth in #10.

Posted by: rickl at April 06, 2013 12:19 PM (sdi6R)

212 I love this Klingenstein guy. THIS is how you take down the lefties, expose them publicly with irrefutable evidence. I hope this is the beginning of a trend.

I'm of the opinion that a lot of our problems today are because the general public does not know what is going on, that they would not agree with where the regressives are taking the country if they really understood. I hope I am right about this, but I also think most of them will have to be bitch-slapped in a big way by reality before they get it.

Posted by: Mayday at April 06, 2013 12:19 PM (F3s39)

213 Goddessoftheclassroom I already know part of the answers, the test was written by the textbook writers, the material is straight out of the textbook.



The textbook will be going away in 2014 with the common core implementation to be replaced with the updated common core materials. Which after reading Michelle malkin's articles on the subject probably means it will be 10times worse.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 12:20 PM (RZ8pf)

214

Compassion and caring is so much trash

If you my friends don't send no cash

Posted by: Poor Oppressed People at April 06, 2013 12:20 PM (mCvL4)

215
I posted this in the dying morning thread:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/once-in-a-lifetime-shots

Mostly off-topic, but there is a sloth in #10.


And I keep hearing the old Pointer Sisters song, Slow Hand.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 06, 2013 12:20 PM (+z4pE)

216 I don' t really understand why people should need to know whether someone is gay or not to know whether they are good and imaginative gardeners. Did the people who designed this course engage in
spirit channelling and ask dead gardeners of centuries ago whether they were gay?

Ridiculous.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 06, 2013 12:21 PM (bddKN)

217 All this talk of gay and lesbian gardening has me craving a LGBLT sandwich for lunch.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 12:22 PM (pxDth)

218 Once again, please don't condemn public education; condemn (if you must) specific schools or district.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 06, 2013 12:14 PM (Z9dwd)

Public education is government education.

Education is as critical to the development of a fully functional citizen as are food and shelter.

Why in Hell is it collectivized?



Posted by: eman at April 06, 2013 12:22 PM (Q0gEg)

219
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 06, 2013 12:14 PM (Z9dwd)

Like any profession there is the good and bad. You sound like you fall in to the good side of the equation. I have a genuine question for you. Around here the rage lately has been language immersion schools. Our friends daughter goes to a Spanish immersion school where everything is taught in Spanish. I just can't see it being a good thing. Not that I think it's bad to learn a different language, but they are not being taught the foundations of their own language and culture. Your thoughts? (BTW, please don't correct my post for errors

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 12:22 PM (bXdYS)

220 That. Is. Freaking. HILARIOUS!

Posted by: Truman North at April 06, 2013 12:22 PM (7sgTq)

221 All this talk of gay and lesbian gardening has me craving a LGBLT sandwich for lunch.

***

heh.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 12:22 PM (piMMO)

222
I don' t really understand why people should need to know whether someone is gay or not to know whether they are good and imaginative gardeners. Did the people who designed this course engage in
spirit channelling and ask dead gardeners of centuries ago whether they were gay?


Sometimes a cucumber is just a cucumber.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 06, 2013 12:23 PM (+z4pE)

223 A conservative funded a conservative group to take down a guy he played golf with. He should have bought some thicker skin with his money.

Posted by: Nilbog at April 06, 2013 12:24 PM (bBqfA)

224 Someone should figure out a way to get the information into the hands of the parents current, former and prospective students? Surely even some of them would be appalled at what's being taught at such an exorbitant price.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 06, 2013 12:24 PM (bddKN)

225 Public education is government education.

***

One thing about which I agree with Neal Boortz completely, is his charge that "government schools" exist to make slave out of us.

If I had it to do over again, I'd live on ramen noodles and chicken necks to send my daughter to private school.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 12:24 PM (piMMO)

226
"a respected liberal-arts school..."


A term galloping toward oxymoron status.

Posted by: rrpjr at April 06, 2013 12:24 PM (5zxtd)

227 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, FLLDFC Gangstette Wily
Wench ................300K! Wow! Did you laugh in your Boss' face now
that he's retiring? After a couple of drinks I don't think I could have
avoided the temptation.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 12:16 PM (bXdYS)
Nope, I still have to work with some of his biggest fans. Besides, my Mother brought me up better than that. I know what the $ value of the state education is that she turned down--because the little girl who grew up next to my parents is getting the same deal from the same school, even though she is out of state...$125,000 minimum, graduating debt free with a Masters. So let's fire up that old bitch math, $125,000 + $50,000 for the U of C MFA + $300,000 + $10,000 interest....so the approximate real cost of little darlin's education is $475,000 and they are still paying for it and she does not have a PHD.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, FLLDFC Gangstette Wily Wench at April 06, 2013 12:25 PM (kXoT0)

228 goddessoftheclassroom

Have you any exposure to common cores yet? If so, what is your opinion?

My wife has... and I've questioned her in a six by nine foot room with a 200 watt light bulb inches from her forehead and she still claims it is fine. Not a step backward, at all. So I'd like to get a second opinion.

Posted by: illegally posting anonymously on the internet at April 06, 2013 12:25 PM (feFL6)

229 That was nice, I hope other doors get the same idea.

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2013 12:25 PM (lPB7F)

230 ask dead gardeners of centuries ago whether they were gay?

*******

Now THAT might explain the poltergeist who was rummaging in my underwear drawer last night.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 12:25 PM (pxDth)

231 That specialized knowledge of LGBT gardeners will serve the graduates well in their careers in Home Depot's gardening section

Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 12:25 PM (mCvL4)

232 I think the conservative did a great service in financing the report. Many parents have no idea what is being taught at their kids schools.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 06, 2013 12:25 PM (bddKN)

233

Going OT:

There's a little dumpy looking 'Peruvian BBQ Chicken' place about a block from my hotel, and when the wind is just right, the smells have me drooling like Pavlov's dog at noon in a clock shop. The wind is now just right. I've been driving back and forth past this place every time I stay here, and dumpy looking or not, I've got to try this place.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 06, 2013 12:26 PM (eyJh9)

234 Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 11:48 AM (bXdYS)

FenelonSpoke was projecting the probable student response without changing her sock. She's of the Horde, not a troll or moby.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at April 06, 2013 12:26 PM (wbeNt)

235 I never knew that people gardened differently based on their sexual preference. Good thing you paid thousands of dollars to take useful knowledge like that intoyour future.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 12:26 PM (bXdYS)

236
http://bit.ly/11BMkw5

OK, it is late enough. I'm going for one of these.

Posted by: sTevo at April 06, 2013 12:26 PM (VMcEw)

237
165Regarding "Critical Theory," I noticed some years ago that, amidst all the pointing fingers and accusations of alleged wrongdoing, none of the critics could ever cite a better culture.
Sadly, it seems that "a better culture" is not the point. The point is to tear down Capitalism so that Marxism can take hold.

Posted by: Die Trying at April 06, 2013 12:26 PM (w7J/R)

238 207
193 Seamus, a spurned sperm?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 06, 2013 12:11 PM (7Tyhl)



********



Actually I was thinking along the lines of the old joke-





Q- Why do they call camels ships of the desert?



A- Because they are full of Arab seamen.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 12:16 PM
==============

Old joke:

A recently posted French Legionare lieutenant complains to his CO that he is feeling deprived of female company. The CO points to a camel tied up at the oasis, and says "When the men get such urges, they use that..". Well the Lt. is a little taken aback, but accepts what the CO has said. A short while later the CO spots the Lt. walking along doing up his fly, and asks "What in the hell are you doing"? "Well sir..., you said to use the camel". "You idiot!" says the CO, "You use the camel to ride to town!"

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 12:26 PM (aDwsi)

239 Paranoidgirlinseattle

Good for your son for standing up for the truth. I am furious that the teacher wouldn't rephrase the question in light of your son's logic.

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 06, 2013 12:26 PM (Z9dwd)

240 OOps, forget the interest $485,000...and no PHD.

Another Liberal co-worker is a failed lawyer, his $300,000 of debt keeps him and his family at the poverty level and that is not counting whatever they owe on wifey's BS degree--they met in school.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, FLLDFC Gangstette Wily Wench at April 06, 2013 12:28 PM (kXoT0)

241

I never knew that people gardened differently based on their sexual preference. Good thing you paid thousands of dollars took out a hundred thousand dollar student loan to take useful knowledge like that intoyour future.

I tidied that up for ya.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 06, 2013 12:28 PM (eyJh9)

242 If I had it to do over again, I'd live on ramen noodles and chicken necks to send my daughter to private school.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 12:24 PM (piMMO)

--------------
That's just about what we did. No exaggeration. Two kids in Christian school. We went without. We had one vacation in all those years and drove old beater cars. Garage sale clothes and household goods. We bypassed every electronic gadget, every extra, Cable TV, you name it. I would do it again in a heartbeat. No hesitation. Best money (that we didn't have) that we ever spent.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 12:28 PM (P6QsQ)

243 Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at April 06, 2013.............................Yep. just realized that. My apologies to Fenelon. I am not the sharpest moron in the horde drawer.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 12:29 PM (bXdYS)

244 190 Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 12:11 PM (RZ8pf)--- LOL. It is Cultural Marxism that has taken over the country. Not sure if it is Jim Quinn or Michael Savage who always uses the term, but that is what it is. When I was a little activist, I thought the others were nuts (I thought they were too leftist).

Posted by: Baldy at April 06, 2013 12:29 PM (opS9C)

245 #223 No, he funded a study after the guy misrepresented their exchange during the golf game and also invented a bunch of opinions which he did not have and then publicly used the falsehoods in a speech.

A thick skin is one thing, but most people draw the line at outright lies.

Posted by: Miss Marple at April 06, 2013 12:29 PM (GoIUi)

246 Thank you for pointing that out, Polliwog. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 06, 2013 12:30 PM (bddKN)

247 234
FenelonSpoke is a she? I didn't know that.

Posted by: rickl at April 06, 2013 12:30 PM (sdi6R)

248 Chance the Gardener like to watch.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 06, 2013 12:30 PM (/wfB0)

249 242
If I had it to do over again, I'd live on ramen noodles and chicken necks to send my daughter to private school.



Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 12:24 PM (piMMO)

--------------
That's
just about what we did. No exaggeration. Two kids in Christian school.
We went without. We had one vacation in all those years and drove old
beater cars. Garage sale clothes and household goods. We bypassed every
electronic gadget, every extra, Cable TV, you name it. I would do it
again in a heartbeat. No hesitation. Best money (that we didn't have)
that we ever spent.


Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 12:28 PM
============

Oh...., you mean you are responsible parents. Seriously, good job mama, salute.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 12:30 PM (aDwsi)

250 Situations like this are heartwrenching for me, because of my liberal arts background.

It's easy to be tempted to fight leftism on it's own terms. But it's always a losing fight.

One must use the lessons if true liberal arts: asking questions. Where is the foundation of this problem? What fuels this fire?

The answer, unshockingly, is government funding/student loans.

There are four methods to slay this enemy.

One is to overthrow the paradigm of students being hearded into state run dorms, programmed by state approved sexual morals, in state approved classes. The Internet is doing this, and progress is being made. In 10 years higher education as we know it will be radically different.

Two is to starve the beast of sweet government tit money, federal and state (federal being more important). The student loan bubble is close to bursting anyways.

Three is to retake the schools on the k-12 level.

Fourth is to overthrow the k-12 paradigm through home schooling and charter schools.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 12:31 PM (ieU06)

251 The 381 academic courses82 offered that semester were distributed among the forty subjects as follows:

Total Courses by Department/Program, Fall 2011

Subject/No. of Courses/No. of Students
Africana Studies/12/169
Anthropology/9/159
Arabic/2/26
Archaeology/1/49

Subject/No. of Courses/No. of Students
Gay & Lesbian Studies/4/71
Gender & Women’s Studies/12/233
German/6/101
Government & Legal Studies/26/620

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 06, 2013 12:32 PM (XYSwB)

252
Sadly, it seems that "a better culture" is not the point. The point is to tear down Capitalism so that Marxism can take hold.

Yup. I realized that after watching those videos. Prior, I had no idea that CT was so organized. And I certainly didn't know that it was taught as a type of philosophy course.

Now that we know the educational roots of cultural Marxism and how it was spread throughout academia, how do we get rid of it?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 06, 2013 12:32 PM (+z4pE)

253 Seriously, good job mama, salute.


Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 12:30 PM (aDwsi)

-------------

We figured it was cheaper than bail money.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 12:32 PM (P6QsQ)

254 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 06, 2013 12:30 PM .........................My apologies to you Fenelon. As I said. I ain't the smarterst moran,

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 12:33 PM (bXdYS)

255 In gangster movies hoods go from business to business collecting protection money.

In real life governments do the same thing using income taxes and automatic withholding.

The public schools exist to make you not notice or care, or even think that it' cool and righteous.

We are serfs and will remain so until the whole damn thing collapses.

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2013 12:34 PM (Q0gEg)

256
@233 do it. Peruvian food is awesome.

Back on topic, I'm glad these twerps aren't learning anything useful. Job security.

Posted by: chicken mama at April 06, 2013 12:34 PM (rIMv6)

257 It's o.k.. Minnfidel. It was kind of you to apologize.

Have a good day.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 06, 2013 12:35 PM (bddKN)

258 "A conservative funded a conservative group to take down a guy he played
golf with. He should have bought some thicker skin with his money."

Yeah what the fuck is wrong with these wingers? Don't they know they should allow the liberal elite to shit all over them.

Posted by: lowandslow at April 06, 2013 12:35 PM (Fz2C7)

259
My queer gardener took off with my mexican landscaper to start a medical marijuana business.

So now I have my white slave children doing chores and earning money thereby propagating the imperialistic notion of doing shit yourself which in turn causes diversity of rugged individualism.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 06, 2013 12:35 PM (IY7Ir)

260

English/22/399
Environmental Studies/18/395

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 06, 2013 12:35 PM (XYSwB)

261 Just a FYI to any Pa morons:

Here in PA businesses are now allowed to contribute some % of business taxes to go toward scholarships to either specific Catholic Schools or students in a general area. Parents with income under 60k per year can apply.

We have a Republican Governor, btw.

Posted by: illegally posting anonymously on the internet at April 06, 2013 12:36 PM (feFL6)

262 Oh...., you mean you are responsible parents. Seriously, good job mama, salute.

***

Boortz pointed out one day all the things that parents can afford whilst claiming they can't afford an education for their children:

New cars, vacations, big screen t.v.s, sports tickets, golf, etc...

It seems that a government education might have been the first trap in the gimme society.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 12:36 PM (piMMO)

263 One question you'll never hear a leftist ask. Why has tuition increased so much more than other things in life? All they ever do is bitch that it's never enough funding. Never ever is it about the cost. (kind of like healthcare)

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 06, 2013 12:36 PM (bXdYS)

264 Thanks for the videos. Terrific primer on the Frankfurt School and critical theory.

Posted by: rrpjr at April 06, 2013 12:37 PM (5zxtd)

265 Well, that poor bastard will now feel the wrath.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 06, 2013 12:38 PM (IC6EF)

266 TPH, are you trying to generate buzz for some obscure new anime?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 06, 2013 12:11 PM (7Tyhl)


Nope.

I honestly have no idea WTF prompted that hashtag, nor why it is trending...

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 06, 2013 12:38 PM (Vk2pI)

267 Good bayonet charge by Mr. Klingenstein.

Can't keep up with the moron horde.

I'd like to continue it til they're pushed off Tierra del Fuego but I'm a little extreme.

Posted by: DaveA at April 06, 2013 12:39 PM (CJjo5)

268 253
Seriously, good job mama, salute.




Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 12:30 PM (aDwsi)

-------------

We figured it was cheaper than bail money.


Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 12:32 PM
===========

Well, there is a kernel of something in that statement. In the past, as people aged, their well-being was directly associated with the stability/skills/character of their children. That isn't true anymore, and so parents have a greater inclination/latitude to allow their children to wander off philosophically in search of 'happiness'. The result is always the same..., a devotion to self-indulgence is a prescription for an unhappy life.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 12:39 PM (aDwsi)

269 194 leftism is a belief in aristocracy...

The result of liberal revolutionary European 1848 defeats by the aristocracy old guard that usurped whatever "idealism" in the works. Aesthetically it was argued as the "War of the Romantics" -- the creative inspiration vs. the old farts selling their shit variations in old wine bottles labeled "The Beautiful".

Whether Napoleon or later Bismark, there were plenty of political opportunists ready to grab 'the hearts and minds' of the public, directed into empire.

Another intellectual stunt occurred after what had been a very interesting approach to advancing science through the imaginative "idea" was to be choked by materialism that denies the existence of whatever physics actually permits. Empirical Extract. Scientism is confined in mental block constipation, stewing funds from big pharma interests. Eat sweetener "natural" shit and like it. It's in everything.

Btw, an every day example I just saw, the spring ad for Round-Up: "Spray now. Plant later." Except the ad didn't mention that its chemistry destroys the soil's ability to absorb nutrients or to be fertile any longer, ever. Utter grotesque macabre profits plus lazy fools comprise society, aka "civilization".


Posted by: Let My People Go Pharaoh Who Knew Not Joseph at April 06, 2013 12:39 PM (MhA4j)

270 256 @233 do it. Peruvian food is awesome.Back on topic, I'm glad these twerps aren't learning anything useful. Job security.
Posted by: chicken mama at April 06, 2013 12:34 PM (rIMv6)

*******

I had some Peruvian Purples at a restaurant last year. Had never heard of them before. It is a potato that looks exactly like a turd. But it tastes kind of like a...well...a potato.


http://tinyurl.com/cxuvrd6

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 12:40 PM (pxDth)

271
OK, y'all. I gotta go and do, um, something. Oh yeah, I gotta go find my two baseball gloves. Darling GDaughter is coming over today and I don't want to listen to FUCKING SPONGEBOB all afternoon, especially since it's such a nice day.

Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 06, 2013 12:40 PM (+z4pE)

272 255 In gangster movies hoods go from business to business collecting protection money.

In real life governments do the same thing using income taxes and automatic withholding.

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2013 12:34 PM (Q0gEg)


More and more, I think there is little or no difference between government and organized crime. In most times and places, the government is simply the baddest and meanest crime family.

What was the English War of the Roses if not a glorified turf battle between rival street gangs?

Posted by: rickl at April 06, 2013 12:40 PM (sdi6R)

273 Backwards Boy,

The answer is authentic Catholicism. Start practicing it.

Ultimately, the real struggle is Marxism vs. Traditionally Christianity.

The Frankfurt school stuff is important. Even more important is Gramschi.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 12:40 PM (2CuCY)

274

do it. Peruvian food is awesome.

I just used google street view, (I know...evil. I'll recite 'The JEF is a SCOAMF' seven times in penance), to check out Richmond Hwy near me. The place is called 'Su Pollo', and advertises Peruvian Charcoal Chicken...not bbq. I'm hitting that place for lunch today.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 06, 2013 12:41 PM (eyJh9)

275 Times have changed.

http://tinyurl.com/c65mjup

Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, Bowdoin, class of 1852

Posted by: occam's brassiere at April 06, 2013 12:42 PM (pAtt/)

276 But without the liberals to guide me, how can I ever be sure of who I really am?

Posted by: Low Information Voter at April 06, 2013 12:43 PM (vbh31)

277 If you have a Sardi's Chicken nearby, stop what you're doing, and head over now.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 06, 2013 12:44 PM (FsUAO)

278 But without the liberals to guide me, how can I ever be sure of who I really am?

Posted by: Low Information Voter at April 06, 2013 12:43 PM (vbh31)


You'll always have me!

Posted by: Honey Boo Boo, the form of the Destructor at April 06, 2013 12:44 PM (Vk2pI)

279 262, had a conversation with a co-worker who was disparaging my old ride, as compared to his new car. I pointed out that his car cost him what three years of private school for my three kids costs. Then it turns out he took out a loan for the car, I pay the tuition lump sum each year.

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2013 12:45 PM (lPB7F)

280 Btw, an every day example I just saw, the spring ad for Round-Up: "Spray now. Plant later." Except the ad didn't mention that its chemistry destroys the soil's ability to absorb nutrients or to be fertile any longer, ever. Utter grotesque macabre profits plus lazy fools comprise society, aka "civilization".


Posted by: Let My People Go Pharaoh Who Knew Not Joseph at April 06, 2013 12:39 PM (MhA4j)


Incorrect.

Posted by: eman at April 06, 2013 12:45 PM (Q0gEg)

281 When I was applying to colleges I considered Bowdoin. Never applied since it was kind of out of the way and, fuck Maine has cold long ass winters. But the rep of Bowdoin and Colby which is a couple of towns over, was everyone is a hippie for 4 years then they all get jobs at investment banks upon graduation. And I think a lot of that still holds.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 12:45 PM (HDgX3)

282 mexican landscaper to start a medical marijuana business.

*******

Don't know why, but I just got a visual image of a giant burrito-sized doobie.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 06, 2013 12:46 PM (pxDth)

283 Though they are cool with illegal immigrants.*

*I don't work for AP.

Not any more you don't now, mister!

Posted by: the associated (with stupidity) press at April 06, 2013 12:47 PM (VwC86)

284 In preparation for the burning times, I'm going running for an hour plus. I'm in the best shape of my life, because I know soon, I'm going to have to be.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 06, 2013 12:47 PM (AC0lD)

285
>>>Peruvian food is awesome.

Yeah. Guinea Pigs on a stick are hard to beat.

Posted by: garrett at April 06, 2013 12:47 PM (6Q/2U)

286 My cousin must have spend a cool quarter mil on her worthless education. Sorbonne/Sarah Lawrence/UC Berkeley and then grad school at George Mason. Majored in Poetry and now is only qualified to be a technical writer for the state of NY. Working on the state exchange for Obamacare. Full circle insanity. I never did understand her. She was working while going to UC Bezerkley and wanted to come home for a month. When her boss said no, she did it anyway and then wondered why she was fired. We are well and truly screwed.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 06, 2013 12:48 PM (jucos)

287 "Here in PA businesses are now allowed to contribute some % of business
taxes to go toward scholarships to either specific Catholic Schools or
students in a general area."

Business, religion and government all need to be kept at a healthy remove from one another.

Having business taxes filtered through the State to fund religious schools has more potential ways to go wrong than a drunken demolition derby in a zoo.

Let's instead just keep taxes low. Money will then find its way.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 06, 2013 12:48 PM (gqT4g)

288
Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 12:31 PM (ieU06)

Good points.Above all we need leaders and politicians who will drag this issue into the national consciousness. This would require a public reckoning with the concept of Leftism, something few seem willing to risk.

Posted by: rrpjr at April 06, 2013 12:48 PM (5zxtd)

289 had a conversation with a co-worker who was
disparaging my old ride, as compared to his new car. I pointed out that
his car cost him what three years of private school for my three kids
costs. Then it turns out he took out a loan for the car, I pay the
tuition lump sum each year.

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2013 12:45 PM (lPB7F)

___________
Heh. Well played. I bought one new car in my life. My first car after getting my first real job. Man I was so cool!! Didn't take me long to realize what a stupid investment it was, and I do use that term very loosely. My family has 3 cars today. Average age of them is 5+ years, average mileage is 100K+. I could go out today and buy 3 brand new cars with cash to replace them. But why throw money out the window just to impress the neighbors?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 12:49 PM (HDgX3)

290 We figured it was cheaper than bail money.
Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 12:32 PM (P6QsQ)

For the kids or for you when having to deal with the all too common untruth and stupidity?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at April 06, 2013 12:49 PM (wbeNt)

291 "was everyone is a hippie for 4 years then they all get jobs at investment banks upon graduation. And I think a lot of that still holds"

That explains a lot ... I wondered where "Modern Monetary Theory" came from

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2013 12:49 PM (lPB7F)

292 My sons are at at Hampden-Sydney and another is off to VMI. Good schools, not a lot of bullshit.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 06, 2013 12:49 PM (IC6EF)

293
JOHNNY APPLESEED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJCnNuMg3Y

Posted by: NOFX at April 06, 2013 12:49 PM (6Q/2U)

294
Cross-listing of courses is a common phenomenon in contemporary American higher education and one that has received relatively little attention. We have found that at Bowdoin it sheds light on some larger curricular issues.

...

In spring 2012, Bowdoin offered seventy-one courses that were cross-listed. In the college’s official course listing, these seventy-one courses account for 158 separate courses, each with its own course designation.

The most cross-listed courses were:

“Introduction to Francophone Literature” (3), “Race, Class, Gender & Urban Crisis” (3), “Race & Sexuality in Modern America” (3), “Protest Music” (3), “Black Women and Religion” (3), “French Caribbean Child Memories” (3), “James Baldwin” (3), “Sex & Politics of Body in India” (3), “Religion, Culture & Politics in Southeast Asia” (3), “Bird Song, Human Song” (3), “Perspective in Environment Science” (3), “Earth Climate History” (3), “Introduction to LGBTQ Fiction” (3), “Victorian Race and Empire” (3), “Science, Sex and Politics” (3), “US-Mexico Borderlands” (3);
the remaining fifty-five courses were cross-listed twice.

...

We have taken the trouble to excavate this information from Bowdoin’s records because it bears directly on the question, “What Does Bowdoin Teach?” Bowdoin teaches, among other things, that the academic disciplines and the larger divisions—science, social science, and humanities—are artificial constructs and that the knowledge (in many cases) most worth pursuing in a liberal arts education lies in web of connections that links disparate topics and approaches.

The web of cross-listed courses represents a certain way of seeing the world. It also carries forward other aspects of Bowdoin’s interpretation of the liberal arts. For example, crosslisting affords faculty the opportunity to offer rather specialized and sometimes esoteric courses on the theory that they serve the didactic purpose of uniting disparate fields. And cross-listing gives Bowdoin’s curriculum an appearance of thoughtful integration, since cross-listing aims at uniting what was previously divided.

Cross-listed courses are also an index of salient topics at Bowdoin. These courses capture themes that are prominent in more than one department and thus represent some of the faculty’s larger concerns. Cross-listing is highly correlated with interdisciplinary studies: Africana studies, Asian studies, environmental studies, gay and lesbian studies, gender and women’s studies, and Latin American studies. Cross-listing has produced most of the curricula for these departments except Asian studies. The history and English pepartments are the most significant “exporters” of the courses that comprise this interstitial curriculum, which reveals the prominence of the underlying topics within those departments.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 06, 2013 12:50 PM (XYSwB)

295

Yeah. Guinea Pigs on a stick are hard to beat.

Tastes like rabbit...which tastes like chicken. If these fuzzy little critters didn't want to be et, they shouldn't be so tasty.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 06, 2013 12:50 PM (eyJh9)

296 Moo, I like pointing out that my car cost less to buy then their tax bill.

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2013 12:50 PM (lPB7F)

297 I think one good thing to do is make it clear that you won't be funding your kid's college education. If they have to pay their own way, I think they tend to be less bull-shittish about it.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 12:51 PM (P6QsQ)

298 Btw, an every day example I just saw, the spring ad for Round-Up: "Spray now. Plant later." Except the ad didn't mention that its chemistry destroys the soil's ability to absorb nutrients or to be fertile any longer, ever. Utter grotesque macabre profits plus lazy fools comprise society, aka "civilization".

Posted by: Let My People Go Pharaoh Who Knew Not Joseph at April 06, 2013 12:39 PM (MhA4j)


Is this the latest from the Department of Making Shit Up?

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at April 06, 2013 12:51 PM (JQuNB)

299 Peruvian food is awesome.

Yeah. Guinea Pigs on a stick are hard to beat.
Posted by: garrett at April 06, 2013 12:47 PM (6Q/2U)
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They have farms where they raise Guinea Pigs for just such purposes. I don't know as that I could eat Guinea Pig.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 06, 2013 12:51 PM (jucos)

300 Life is hard enough, as it is. I am quite comfortable and satisfied that these smart people are looking out for my best interests.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at April 06, 2013 12:51 PM (vbh31)

301 The sound you hear is four-term Republican governor of Maine, Medal of Honor recipient, and Bodoin College president Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain spinning in his grave.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit SOB at April 06, 2013 12:52 PM (erlzv)

302
>>They have farms where they raise Guinea Pigs for just such purposes. I don't know as that I could eat Guinea Pig.

Not the way they cook them, I can't.
Skin it, gut it, and piece it out and I'd be fine.

Posted by: garrett at April 06, 2013 12:53 PM (6Q/2U)

303 They have farms where they raise Guinea Pigs for just such purposes. I don't know as that I could eat Guinea Pig.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 06, 2013 12:51 PM (jucos)

I could, but only the ones that have the messed up hair that goes every which way. I hate that.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 12:53 PM (qPCAa)

304
In addition to Marzism, the Frankfurt School has it's roots in the companion 19th century German nihilist front.
The videos don't mention this, but so did National Socilialism.
Todays "progressives" are basically Nazi's, and that is more than metaphorically

Posted by: Albie Damned at April 06, 2013 12:53 PM (Yhu4q)

305 The course list takes on new levels of "wut?" when you get to page 55 of the report.

Posted by: Cameron at April 06, 2013 12:54 PM (2SPIr)

306 296
Moo, I like pointing out that my car cost less to buy then their tax bill.

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2013 12:50 PM (lPB7F)

__________
Oh god, yeah. When I bought that new car I lived in a state that charged registration based on the value of the car. I didn't know that. So about a month after the purchase I got a bill from the state for $870. I was like WHAT THE FUCK???? Then the next year it was $700something, then $500something. So not only was I paying up the ass for the car itself, I ended up paying several thousand extra to the state for the privilege of driving that brand new car. Once the car got to 4 or 5 years old the registration was in the $100-200 range. Plus of course insurance is double or even triple the price for a new car vs. an old car.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 12:55 PM (HDgX3)

307 I think one good thing to do is make it clear that you won't be funding your kid's college education. If they have to pay their own way, I think they tend to be less bull-shittish about it.
Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 12:51 PM (P6QsQ)

absolutely right!

there's no reason they shouldn't do two years at a community college or trade school while working and figuring out wtf they want to do.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 12:55 PM (qPCAa)

308 I can imagine that other New England colleges have graffiti above the toilet paper rolls in the stalls saying;

"Bowdoin Liberal Arts Degree. Take One"

Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 12:55 PM (mCvL4)

309
We estimate that four or five out of approximately 182 full-time faculty members might be described as politically conservative.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 06, 2013 12:55 PM (XYSwB)

310 If they have to pay their own way, I think they tend to be less bull-shittish about it.

I went 50-50. First two years on me, then they had to get student loans. Told them to pick their majors carefully, because they had to pay the money back. It worked, about 50-50 too. Son debt free in a couple years, daughter decided to become wife. She still owes money 15 years later.

Posted by: illegally posting anonymously on the internet at April 06, 2013 12:55 PM (feFL6)

311 The great book, "The Closing of the American Mind", by Alan Bloom lays out in depth how we were forever changed by the Frankfurt School when they moved their efforts to the American university system starting at Columbia

Posted by: Albie Damned at April 06, 2013 12:56 PM (Yhu4q)

312
"Tear Down These Walls" Obama teaching Jericho foundation kids at Rev. Wright's congregation.

204 Backwards Boy: It's a sad fact, but a true one: 'tis much easier to tear down than to build. It seems to me that the history of Man consists of nothing more than one group of like-minded individuals deciding on how best to live together, and another group trying to destroy what little harmony can be found in such an arrangement.
--

...yep, social justice is the deconstruction of civility.

Best leave things at The Golden Rule.

Even "The Wisdom of Solomon" was to issue a cruel, harsh edict in order to solicit a compassionate response from the person truly wronged. Then reserve judgement accordingly to benefit the true victim.

/As for Solomon being wise, his penchant for virgin meat every night provided "safe sex" more or less for himself. But as for being the model of true wisdom, his story is hardly worthy of "pleasing God". There's some irony, the socon DOMA "Biblical" precedence given the Royal Judaic harem, concubines, polygamy (King David), called by whatever name.

Posted by: Let My People Go Pharaoh Who Knew Not Joseph at April 06, 2013 12:56 PM (MhA4j)

313 She was working while going to UC Bezerkley and wanted to come home for a
month. When her boss said no, she did it anyway and then wondered why
she was fired.


See there? We need our government to step in and protect us from that kind of arbitrary discrimination and abuse by our employers.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at April 06, 2013 12:57 PM (vbh31)

314 291 "was everyone is a hippie for 4 years then they all get jobs at investment banks upon graduation. And I think a lot of that still holds"

That explains a lot ... I wondered where "Modern Monetary Theory" came from
Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2013 12:49 PM (lPB7F)


Yep, I've often wondered how many of the corrupt banksters and crooked Wall Street insiders are actually stealth Marxists working to collapse capitalism from the inside.

It may sound like tinfoil, but they graduated from the very same schools that are infested with Frankfurt School-type leftism.

Posted by: rickl at April 06, 2013 12:57 PM (sdi6R)

315 If Mosquitos hadn't decimated the white labor populations from northern Europe as soon as they got off the boats there would have been a ready supply of cheaper labor than what the slave trade charged.
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at April 06, 2013 12:09 PM (RZ8pf)

Actually, malaria and yellow fever, but yeah, the bug was the vector. Think of how that changed to world.

Posted by: Ook? at April 06, 2013 12:57 PM (OQpzc)

316
-- Canary Eats Pickle
-- Baby Smokes Crack
-- Parachute No Worky
-- Man Stuck In Sewer Manhole
-- Dog vs Mirror
-- Tree Grows In Brooklyn

Posted by: Soothsayer's fake video dump at April 06, 2013 12:57 PM (oxIUw)

317 296
Moo, I like pointing out that my car cost less to buy then their tax bill.

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2013 12:50 PM
==========

Back in the mid 90's, a co-worker was bemoaning the fact that a rear-end repair to his Porsche 944 was going to cost $1500. I laughed, and pointed out that it was metaphysically impossible for my second-hand 1984 Maxima to have a $1500 problem.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 12:57 PM (aDwsi)

318 I can imagine that other New England colleges have graffiti above the toilet paper rolls in the stalls saying;

"Bowdoin Liberal Arts Degree. Take One"

Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 12:55 PM (mCvL4)


Completely unfair. Bowdoin diplomas aren't double-ply...

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 06, 2013 12:57 PM (Vk2pI)

319 When I was in Peru I ended up with a bunch of tourists in a Bodega. There were pens out back with Guinea Pigs in them and people from the kitchen kept running out back and taking the GP's out. It was then explained to me what was actually happening. I felt sick. Not that I think GP's are all that great as a pet or anything, but jeebus.... their pets, not food.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 06, 2013 12:57 PM (jucos)

320 308
I can imagine that other New England colleges have graffiti above the toilet paper rolls in the stalls saying;

"Bowdoin Liberal Arts Degree. Take One"



Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 12:55 PM (mCvL4)

_________
Bowdoin is one the top ranked colleges in the country. Degrees from there are quite valuable.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 12:58 PM (HDgX3)

321 My GPA is three Guinea pigs at a sitting.

Posted by: homer simpson at April 06, 2013 12:58 PM (VwC86)

322 “Introduction to Francophone Literature” (3), “Race, Class, Gender & Urban Crisis” (3), “Race & Sexuality in Modern America” (3), “Protest Music” (3), “Black Women and Religion” (3), “French Caribbean Child Memories” (3), “James Baldwin” (3), “Sex & Politics of Body in India” (3), “Religion, Culture & Politics in Southeast Asia” (3), “Bird Song, Human Song” (3), “Perspective in Environment Science” (3), “Earth Climate History” (3), “Introduction to LGBTQ Fiction” (3), “Victorian Race and Empire” (3), “Science, Sex and Politics” (3), “US-Mexico Borderlands” (3);
the remaining fifty-five courses were cross-listed twice.

hmm.... I could teach 5 or 6 of those courses if I wanted to.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 12:58 PM (qPCAa)

323 It looks to me as if Bowdoin is a college for rich parents to send their special snowflakes who were too dumb or lazy to get into an Ivy League school

Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 12:58 PM (mCvL4)

324 Mmm. Guinea pig.

Posted by: homer simpson at April 06, 2013 12:59 PM (VwC86)

325
Yep, I've often wondered how many of the corrupt
banksters and crooked Wall Street insiders are actually stealth
Marxists working to collapse capitalism from the inside.



It may sound like tinfoil, but they graduated from the very same schools that are infested with Frankfurt School-type leftism.

Posted by: rickl at April 06, 2013 12:57 PM (sdi6R)

___________
I didn't meant that. I meant they play the part of a hippie for 4 years then when the real world calls, they go to work for an investment bank. In other words, they don't really believe the bullshit. At least that was the case back in the day, 20ish years ago.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 12:59 PM (HDgX3)

326 ...The Faculty’s 1983 action amounted to conferring on this earlier statement a new purpose. Equal opportunity was no longer the goal; rather diversity would be. This is not a distinction without a difference. “Equal opportunity” meant the elimination of preferences and barriers. “Diversity” generally means a whole new regime of preferences and barriers.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 06, 2013 01:00 PM (XYSwB)

327 Fake Twitter Followers Becomes Multimillion-Dollar Business

Far from slowing, the market for fake Twitter followers seems to be taking off.

The fake Twitter follower phenomenon made headlines last summer after Mitt Romney’s Twitter following jumped by 100,000 in a matter of days. That news inspired a number of social media management companies like StatusPeople and SocialBakers to develop Web tools that try to determine what percent of a person’s Twitter followings are fake.

But those sites have hardly deterred people from dealing in the market for fake followers and fake retweets. The market is also becoming more sophisticated. In many cases, high-quality false Twitter accounts are nearly impossible to discern from the real thing. Those that sell them claim that they can make up to a million dollars in one week.

Posted by: #OccupyTheWhiteHouse at April 06, 2013 01:00 PM (e8kgV)

328 Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 12:51 PM (P6QsQ)

Absolutely. I've always told my kids that if they aren't focused enough on their education to get the grades that bring scholarships then they're aren't really ready for a university anyway.

John and I talked about it a lot before his death and he *very* strongly felt that community college and then transfer to a 4 year school was the way to go (and even then only for STEM programs, art/writing etc. are things to be practiced not gone into debt for).

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at April 06, 2013 01:01 PM (wbeNt)

329 Bowdoin is one the top ranked colleges in the country. Degrees from there are quite valuable.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 12:58 PM

Valuable to whom?

Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 01:01 PM (mCvL4)

330 275 Times have changed.

http://tinyurl.com/c65mjup

Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, Bowdoin, class of 1852


Winners write the history. You glad you won now?

Posted by: Jefferson Davis at April 06, 2013 01:01 PM (wR+pz)

331 Bowdoin is one the top ranked colleges in the country. Degrees from there are quite valuable.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 12:58 PM (HDgX3)


Not any more they ain't!

I'd hire a high school drop-out who was married with children and supported his/her own family by working as an electrician's or plumber's apprentice. I would not hire anyone with a liberal arts degree from Bowdoin.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 06, 2013 01:01 PM (Vk2pI)

332 Chilling out at the Reynolds mansion, sipping a Stone Pale Ale while the wife enjoys an elder flower cocktail and we wait for our club sandwiches to be brought out. It's a great day to be above ground.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 06, 2013 01:01 PM (msKez)

333 325
In other words, they don't really believe the bullshit.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 12:59 PM (HDgX3)


Maybe, but I'm not so sure about that.

Posted by: rickl at April 06, 2013 01:02 PM (sdi6R)

334 If they have to pay their own way, I think they tend to be less bull-shittish about it.



I went 50-50. First two years on me, then they had to get student
loans. Told them to pick their majors carefully, because they had to pay
the money back. It worked, about 50-50 too. Son debt free in a couple
years, daughter decided to become wife. She still owes money 15 years
later.

Posted by: illegally posting anonymously on the internet at April 06, 2013 12:55 PM (feFL6)

-----------Daughter worked 3 jobs to put herself through school, took out loans to get her Masters, and became a nurse practitioner, also teaches nursing at the local college. She has a bit left on her student loans but is in a position to easily pay them off soon.
Son went into the Army and let Uncle Sam pay for his college. No loans.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 01:02 PM (P6QsQ)

335 After spending 41 of the past 43 years of my life as a university student or professor, I can say with some authority that the 21st century American university is an intellectual ghetto,

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit SOB at April 06, 2013 01:02 PM (erlzv)

336
About 6 minutes into the 2nd viddeo, they start talking about the -Columbia prof Herbert Marcuse's "Eros and Civiliization" where he argues that there should be no restrictions on sexuality.
...remember the recent story about another Columbia prof doinking his daughter, excusing it by saying that since homo sex is acceptable, than so should be incest?

Posted by: Albie Damned at April 06, 2013 01:03 PM (Yhu4q)

337 John and I talked about it a lot before his death and he *very* strongly felt that community college and then transfer to a 4 year school was the way to go (and even then only for STEM programs, art/writing etc. are things to be practiced not gone into debt for).
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at April 06, 2013 01:01 PM (wbeNt)

this is what I did. best decision of my life.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 01:03 PM (qPCAa)

338
Valuable to whom?



Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 01:01 PM (mCvL4)

________
Gee I dunno....people who hire recent college grads for starters.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:03 PM (HDgX3)

339 Bowdoin is one the top ranked colleges in the country. Degrees from there are quite valuable.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 12:58 PM (HDgX3)

Maybe to the people who hold them. For, society? How would you judge value? What if this erroneous value placed on the education/programming of these people actually hurts those they come to influence? Is it not then, in society's favor to burn the place down?

Posted by: Ook? at April 06, 2013 01:03 PM (OQpzc)

340 Degrees from there are quite valuable.

Obviously.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at April 06, 2013 01:03 PM (vbh31)

341

woo hoo

one of the best song intros on right now...

The Final Countdown

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 06, 2013 01:03 PM (eHNxr)

342

and then it turns to crap

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 06, 2013 01:04 PM (0w+w3)

343 About 6 minutes into the 2nd viddeo, they start talking about the -Columbia prof Herbert Marcuse's "Eros and Civiliization" where he argues that there should be no restrictions on sexuality.
...remember the recent story about another Columbia prof doinking his daughter, excusing it by saying that since homo sex is acceptable, than so should be incest?
Posted by: Albie Damned at April 06, 2013 01:03 PM (Yhu4q)

anyone who thinks that a society free from sexual morality is some kind of paradise needs to go read into life in pagan Rome and Greece. Some SFUS happened on a regular basis.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 01:04 PM (qPCAa)

344 I just love your resident contrarian, Mr. Foo Foo!

Posted by: Low Information Voter at April 06, 2013 01:05 PM (vbh31)

345 Bowdoin describes its student body as “30.3 percent students of color.”324 Achieving racial diversity is the bedrock idea whenever the word diversity is deployed, though that meaning is sometimes buried beneath avowals that other kinds of diversity matter too. But other kinds of diversity do not elicit the anxious attention of faculty members and administrators that racial diversity does. Bowdoin monitors its success in recruiting black students with exquisite
care, and to achieve higher enrollments of black students it exercises an extraordinary level of racial preference in admissions. The overall acceptance rate for students who applied for admission in 2011 was 16.1 percent. The acceptance rate for black students was more than double that: 35.1 percent. Later in this report we will present a detailed account, with more statistics, of how racial preferences work in Bowdoin’s admissions process. Our goal in this
section is simply to show how Bowdoin conceptualizes “diversity” as one of the key components of student recruitment.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 06, 2013 01:05 PM (XYSwB)

346 I'm trying to wrap my mind around why Bowdoin's president was golfing with Mr. Klingenstein in the first place. The dude's Director at the Claremont Institute, for pity's sake, if the most cursory prospect research would reveal that he was not going to be a good donor prospect for Bowdoin. All that golf outing did was piss off a wealthy, influential philanthropist with comical results.

Bowdoin's a private college. They can be as wack-a-doodle as they want, as far as I'm concerned. But the president really did his institution a disservice. Most university presidents are not so ham-fisted.

Posted by: Y-not at April 06, 2013 01:05 PM (5H6zj)

347 Gee I dunno....people who hire recent college grads for starters.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:03 PM (HDgX3)



Considering that over 50% of recent college grads are unemployed and much more can't find a job that matches what they majored in I'd say there aren't many who find it valuable

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 06, 2013 01:05 PM (viJ2Y)

348 woo hoo

one of the best song intros on right now...

The Final Countdown

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 06, 2013 01:03 PM (eHNxr)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 06, 2013 01:05 PM (Vk2pI)

349 It's also important to know that there has been serious pushback that has flown under the radar.

There have been several new colleges in recent years, dedicated to authentic liberal arts. There has been a movement in several places to create authentic liberal arts k-12.

With a few exceptions, it is always integrally related to the practice of traditional Catholicism. Thomas Aquinas College, Christendom College, Wyoming Catholic College. There are others, but those spring to mind.

It's hard for some folks to accept, but the nature of Protestantism is such that it's incapable of fending off leftism. All the Old Guard Protestant Churches have been totally defeated, with a few dying congregational holdouts here and there. On every issue, they've all turned hard left and been assimilated.

The pushback is out there, and it's slowly making progress, but it's tricky to fondue you're looking in the wrong places.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 01:05 PM (lhNul)

350 325

In other words, they don't really believe the bullshit.



Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 12:59 PM (HDgX3)



Maybe, but I'm not so sure about that.

Posted by: rickl at April 06, 2013 01:02 PM (sdi6R)

_______________
I think what happens is you have, for example 500 people in a class. 400 of them are all into the save the world crap. They all graduate. 300 of the 400 enter the real world, get real jobs, put behind their days of saving the world. These 300 you never really hear about since they're living their lives, doing their thing.
It's that other 100 who never grows up, working at Starbucks and going to OWS events. They're the ones that get the attention. But they're still a small minority of the overall class.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:05 PM (HDgX3)

351 Machu Picchu was cool though. Breathtaking.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 06, 2013 01:06 PM (jucos)

352 @332

You in Reynolda village? Cause there is no place to eat "In" the mansion that I know of open to the public or are you in Asheville?

It is a great day.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:07 PM (wR+pz)

353 "I can imagine that other New England colleges have graffiti above the toilet paper rolls in the stalls saying; 'Bowdoin Liberal Arts Degree. Take One'"

All engineering schools have this graffito.

Except it simply says, "Liberal Arts Degree. Take One."

The level of rigor in an engineering curriculum is essentially unimaginable for a liberal arts student. Their heads would explode.

And there's a good reason for that. Liberal arts types can skate by with substandard work, and nothing of significance happens. When engineers do shoddy work, the not uncommon consequence is that *people die*.

Who do you want designing the brakes for your car? Case closed.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 06, 2013 01:07 PM (gqT4g)

354 Modern students only know that Washington and Jefferson " owned slaves," and are unaware that Muslims did and still do.

Yay indoctrination. Is there anything you can't do?

Posted by: Beagle at April 06, 2013 01:07 PM (sOtz/)

355 It's hard for some folks to accept, but the nature of Protestantism is such that it's incapable of fending off leftism.

-------------



I reject that premise.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 01:07 PM (P6QsQ)

356

I'm on a dumbphone with a tiny 4" screen and a lousy internet connection. I can't do youtube.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 06, 2013 01:08 PM (0w+w3)

357 Endowments are one way to fix this. I went to UMKC Law and my advisor and favorite Prof was Kris Kobach. He was the only faculty member I would even remotely consider conservative. He had an endowed chair and basically couldn't be touched. He was able to be very vocal in the defense of originalism. The Kochs and others in that situation can make headway in taking our institutions back this way.

Posted by: DanInMN at April 06, 2013 01:08 PM (UMJSs)

358 And there's a good reason for that. Liberal arts types can skate by with substandard work, and nothing of significance happens. When engineers do shoddy work, the not uncommon consequence is that *people die*.

Who do you want designing the brakes for your car? Case closed.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 06, 2013 01:07 PM (gqT4g)


When idjits with liberal arts degrees run countries, people also die... usually in the millions...

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 06, 2013 01:08 PM (Vk2pI)

359 Considering that over 50% of recent college grads
are unemployed and much more can't find a job that matches what they
majored in I'd say there aren't many who find it valuable


Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 06, 2013 01:05 PM (viJ2Y)

_________
If you have a degree from Never Heard of It State U, then yeah finding a job is hard. A Bowdoin degree, not so much. As for not finding a job in their major, not really an issue when you have a top degree like Bowdoin. Goldman Sachs doesn't hire grads with "Investment Bank" degrees. They hire history and philosophy and poli-sci majors. So does everyone else on Wall St. In fact, it's kind of an unwritten rule that a business oriented degree (undergrad) is a detriment when applying to the big banks.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:08 PM (HDgX3)

360 In the Silo, a new deli/wine shop with patio seating.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 06, 2013 01:09 PM (msKez)

361 A Guinea pig seems like an awful lot of work for what you'd get out of it. You'd have to slaughter an entire clan to feed a family of 4.

Posted by: Fritz at April 06, 2013 01:09 PM (WM+rJ)

362 351 Machu Picchu was cool though. Breathtaking.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 06, 2013 01:06 PM (jucos)

In 1970 I spend the night on the Mt on 6/22 for the equinox. Was with a college group. At night it is spooky as shit. Did you climb Wano[sp?] Picchu, the little mountain that over looks the ruins?

Did I mention I also got laid that night?

Eat your hearts out.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:09 PM (wR+pz)

363 Goldman Sachs doesn't hire grads with "Investment
Bank" degrees. They hire history and philosophy and poli-sci majors. So
does everyone else on Wall St. In fact, it's kind of an unwritten rule
that a business oriented degree (undergrad) is a detriment when applying
to the big banks.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:08 PM (HDgX3)


No wonder why the big banks are so fucked up

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 06, 2013 01:09 PM (viJ2Y)

364 347
Gee I dunno....people who hire recent college grads for starters.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:03 PM (HDgX3)

Considering
that over 50% of recent college grads are unemployed and much more
can't find a job that matches what they majored in I'd say there aren't
many who find it valuable


Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 06, 2013 01:05 PM
=======

The Mass Communication majors are certain that they can land a gig like Rachel Maddow/Chris Matthews, or possibly find a way to leverage a spot at Huff Po.

The Exercise Science majors are certain that everyone wants to sign on at a gym...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 01:10 PM (aDwsi)

365

my wacky aunt always has a guinea pig

when it dies, she cries for a week, and then buys a new one

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 06, 2013 01:11 PM (uff2W)

366 Sorry to ask, but is there a link to the actual report? I haven't found it as yet.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 06, 2013 01:11 PM (IC6EF)

367 I read neither the posts nor the comments, but "Don't Bite The Hand That Feeds You," is something even a child would know, let alone a University Presidunce.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at April 06, 2013 01:12 PM (7v5Ct)

368 No wonder why the big banks are so fucked up


Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 06, 2013 01:09 PM (viJ2Y)

_______________
I majored in econ and worked in IB. The value of my econ education was almost non-existent in the real world. All the charts and theories and formulas I spent 4 years learning didn't mean shit when I worked on an MA deal. What I learned in business school, some of that was helpful. And ironically enough, my first job out of college was with a publishing company where I did nothing economics/finance related. It was only after business school that I headed to the evil world of high finance. And yeah we were all pretty much clueless for the first year or two.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:13 PM (HDgX3)

369 I graduated from Columbia and it like made me way more smarter

Posted by: Meggie McBoobs at April 06, 2013 01:13 PM (mCvL4)

370 Ours is an intensely stupid age. This stupid is something the world hasn't seen in a long time. It's the kind of stupid only the thinly educated and supremely confident true believers, protected from the outcomes of their stupidity, could produce.

The West built up such great wealth and defenses that the normal winds of history could only be heard in the distance. It's inevitable I guess that such comfort would produce a strain of self-destruction and self-loathing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2013 01:13 PM (mN8D3)

371 poli-sci majors. So does everyone else on Wall St. In fact, it's kind of an unwritten rule that a business oriented degree (undergrad) is a detriment when applying to the big banks.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:08 PM (HDgX3)

So, the programmed alumn hire the recently programmed? Still doesn't mean they are worth a damn to anyone but the choir.

Posted by: Ook? at April 06, 2013 01:13 PM (OQpzc)

372 @366
Under the break. Last link. Already got some nice insulting comments from lefty Pol Pot wannabees.

Posted by: Beagle at April 06, 2013 01:13 PM (sOtz/)

373 * MA deal no MA deal

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:13 PM (HDgX3)

374 "Goldman Sachs doesn't hire grads with 'Investment Bank' degrees. They
hire history and philosophy and poli-sci majors. So does everyone else
on Wall St."

Given that Goldman, and most of the rest of Wall Street, recently had to be expensively rescued by the federal government from the consequences of their own arrogant incompetence, you are certainly making a point here, though it's not the point you had wanted to make.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 06, 2013 01:14 PM (gqT4g)

375 Mr Moo Moo must not have any kids looking for jobs now.

Thirty years ago your contacts from Bowdoin and your degree in mud fucking could get you a job on the Street.

Today? Not a fucking chance unless your daddy owns the place.

Moo Moo, Engineers rule. Next MBA's.

Philosophy? what are you smoking?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:14 PM (wR+pz)

376
Ours is an intensely stupid age. This stupid is something the world hasn't seen in a long time. It's the kind of stupid only the thinly educated and supremely confident true believers, protected from the outcomes of their stupidity, could produce.

The West built up such great wealth and defenses that the normal winds of history could only be heard in the distance. It's inevitable I guess that such comfort would produce a strain of self-destruction and self-loathing.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2013 01:13 PM (mN8D3)

Right--an UNSERIOUS age.

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 06, 2013 01:15 PM (c/58R)

377 So, the programmed alumn hire the recently programmed? Still doesn't mean they are worth a damn to anyone but the choir.

Posted by: Ook? at April 06, 2013 01:13 PM (OQpzc)

____________
But the choir is the only set of people that matter. They're the ones who hire them. It certainly is an incestuous relationship. But it;'s the way of the world. Not what you know but who you know is still applicable and always will be.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:15 PM (HDgX3)

378 Link to the report:

http://tinyurl.com/c99updl



Posted by: Y-not at April 06, 2013 01:16 PM (5H6zj)

379 Sorry to ask, but is there a link to the actual report?

We are Breitbart.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 06, 2013 01:16 PM (24zYZ)

380 Gotta go to Home Depot and get more packing boxes. We've used 30 of their small size boxes for books so far and probably need at least 15 more. Plus the glass seperaters. I was going to try to avoid those since they're kind of expensive, but looking at all our glasses, we need at least a few.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at April 06, 2013 01:16 PM (wbeNt)

381 "It is the age of constant sacrifice by the normal to the abnormal"-- G,K. Chesterton

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 01:17 PM (aDwsi)

382 Given that Goldman, and most of the rest of Wall
Street, recently had to be expensively rescued by the federal government
from the consequences of their own arrogant incompetence, you are
certainly making a point here, though it's not the point you had wanted
to make.



Posted by: torquewrench at April 06, 2013 01:14 PM (gqT4g)

_________
I am not making a judgement on Goldman. I am saying, Goldman hires liberal arts grads from top schools. And getting a job at Goldman is very prized by college grads. You can hate Goldman, you can hate Bowdoin all you want. You're not going to change the fact hat Goldman rules the world of finance and its run by people from Bowdowin, Harvard, Princeton, etc.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:17 PM (HDgX3)

383 Mama,

The heart of Protestantism is the rejection of normative authority. That truth is open to popular vote.

And all the Old Guard Protestants took popular votes, and decided that leftism is truth.

Evangelicalism is a bit different. It asserts emotional experience as truth, and is able to hold the line because it has a different emotional experience than leftism.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 01:17 PM (BnWeG)

384 @380

I am off to the Depot for ferns for the girl friend, can I get the boxes for you?

You know U Hail sells them too?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:18 PM (wR+pz)

385 It's hard for some folks to accept, but the nature of Protestantism is such that it's incapable of fending off leftism. All the Old Guard Protestant Churches have been totally defeated, with a few dying congregational holdouts here and there. On every issue, they've all turned hard left and been assimilated.

Um, you do realize that the reason the "Old Guard" are dying is because people are moving to conservative versions, right? There are several differentdenominations of Presbyterianism, for example. Meanwhile, Catholicism is rife with socialism.

I might also point out that historically Catholic countries were Absolutist, whereas limited government was developed not only in a Protestant country - England -but in opposition to Catholicism.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 06, 2013 01:18 PM (GsoE9)

386 Thank you Beagle...if it were a snake I'd be dead.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 06, 2013 01:18 PM (IC6EF)

387 The left's defending their 'diversity' always put me in mind of the lady at Bob's Country Bunker:

"Oh, we have both kinds, country AND western."

Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 01:18 PM (MMC8r)

388
Mr Moo Moo must not have any kids looking for jobs now.



Thirty years ago your contacts from Bowdoin and your degree in mud fucking could get you a job on the Street.



Today? Not a fucking chance unless your daddy owns the place.



Moo Moo, Engineers rule. Next MBA's.



Philosophy? what are you smoking?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:14 PM (wR+pz)

__________________
So Goldman is hiring engineers from public universities? News to me.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:18 PM (HDgX3)

389 Rodney Dangerfield in "Back to School" explains the real world to a business professor;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlVDGmjz7eM

Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 01:19 PM (mCvL4)

390 It's hard for some folks to accept, but the nature of Protestantism is such that it's incapable of fending off leftism.
Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 01:05 PM (lhNul)

If it's just a symbol, to hell with it.

Posted by: flannery o'conner at April 06, 2013 01:19 PM (qPCAa)

391 380
Gotta go to Home Depot and get more packing boxes. We've used 30 of
their small size boxes for books so far and probably need at least 15
more. Plus the glass seperaters. I was going to try to avoid those since
they're kind of expensive, but looking at all our glasses, we need at
least a few.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at April 06, 2013 01:16 PM
========

Liquor store? That's where we get ours..., well, the boxes too.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 01:19 PM (aDwsi)

392 Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:18 PM (wR+pz)

Much thanks, guess I'd better do it myself though . My understanding is that they're more expensive at U-Haul and I have some returns on uneeded matinanance (sp?) supplies as well.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at April 06, 2013 01:21 PM (wbeNt)

393 Evangelicalism is a bit different. It asserts
emotional experience as truth, and is able to hold the line because it
has a different emotional experience than leftism.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 01:17 PM (BnWeG)

------------
I'm sorry, but you are just wrong. Very wrong. The heart of evangelicalism is not emotionalism in the least. It is holding fast to the innerrant Word of God as the only guide for life on this earth and life in the world to come. It is holding fast to the Truth - God's Word as Truth. It has nothing to do with emotionalism. It has everything to do with reliance on the Word of God and faith in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross. Christ crucified, risen and coming again, and salvation through Him alone. That is evangelicalism.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 01:21 PM (P6QsQ)

394 So Goldman is hiring engineers from public universities? News to me.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:18 PM (HDgX3)

Of course the comment is not just about Goldman. It is about getting a fucking job anywhere.

Check out how many Duke Engineers that graduated last year are unemployed.

NONE.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:21 PM (wR+pz)

395
355It's hard for some folks to accept, but the nature of Protestantism is such that it's incapable of fending off leftism.

Interesting point, but I also disagree. In its true state, it is not incapable at all. It is just susceptible to, and been deeply conditioned into, a state of passivity and acceptance.

Posted by: rrpjr at April 06, 2013 01:22 PM (5zxtd)

396 http://tinyurl.com/c7g4pnw

Goldman's recruiting events this January. I see Columbia. I see Yale. I see Penn. I see Chicago. I see Northwestern.

Hmmm...anyone notice a trend?

What I don't see is Never Heard of It Statue U

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:22 PM (HDgX3)

397 Ugh..., first mow of the grass today. I'm betting that the mower does not start easily. Of course the fuel lines may have suffered ethanol rot over the winter..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 01:22 PM (aDwsi)

398 You're not going to change the fact hat Goldman
rules the world of finance and its run by people from Bowdowin, Harvard,
Princeton, etc.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:17 PM

No, but it goes a long way in explaining why the economy is going down the shitter and the elites who run things don't have a fucking clue how to stop the slide, only to keep hinting the "print" button like a Pavlovian hamster


Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 01:22 PM (mCvL4)

399 @392

BBL later, off to the Depot! No one will be there on the first fucking day it is 70 degrees, so I'll be right back!


ha ha.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:23 PM (wR+pz)

400 The heart of Protestantism is the rejection of normative authority. That truth is open to popular vote.

Rubbish. The heart of Protestantism is that truth is found in the Bible, not the traditions of the Latin branch of the Church.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 06, 2013 01:23 PM (GsoE9)

401 " its run by people from Bowdowin, Harvard, Princeton, etc."

Okay, I agree partly with what you're saying about Goldman, but one of those three does not belong.

Posted by: AD at April 06, 2013 01:23 PM (4PGa6)

402 Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 01:19 PM (aDwsi)

Lol. Since I'm doing this pretty much by myself I need the uniform size of boxes specifically for moving.

Which reminds me, Has anyone used PODS for moving? I got estimates and (especially since I don't know precisely when or where we're going) they seemed pretty much in-line with the moving companies while having the flexibility of storage.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at April 06, 2013 01:24 PM (wbeNt)

403 I am not making a judgement on Goldman. I am saying,
Goldman hires liberal arts grads from top schools. And getting a job at
Goldman is very prized by college grads. You can hate Goldman, you can
hate Bowdoin all you want. You're not going to change the fact hat
Goldman rules the world of finance and its run by people from Bowdowin,
Harvard, Princeton, etc.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:17 PM (HDgX3)



Or change the fact that they are a bunch of arrogant fucking idiots who only survive based on political connections.
And Goldman only rules the world of finance because they use their size
and power to manipulate the markets and government connections. If they had to stand on their own they would have and should have gone the way of Lehman Bros.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 06, 2013 01:24 PM (viJ2Y)

404 @396

Goldman's recruiting events this January. I see Columbia. I see Yale. I see Penn. I see Chicago. I see Northwestern.

Hmmm...anyone notice a trend?


Yeah, Yankees hire Yankees. This a surprise to you?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:24 PM (wR+pz)

405
And as I've mentioned before, I am to the left of many of you, but too "right" to be considered for a university position!!! Merely because I made fun of Marx, questioned rabid dumbass "feminism," etc....

Damn Ace for that whole "four periods/dots in an ending ellipsis" thing.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at April 06, 2013 01:24 PM (7v5Ct)

406 Grey Fox,

Yes. Another split. Then more splits. Followed by more splits. That is the key to defeating liberalism. Making oneself increasingly less relevant.

Of course even conservative Protestantism is unpopular. It's foundation us a glaring logical contradiction. If I can decide what truth is for myself, why show up on Sunday at all? Your Jesus says X. Mine says Y. Split. More irrelevance.

Yes I'm aware that a civil war had been raging in the Catholic Church for decades. And the biological solution is delivering the victory.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 01:25 PM (HPNED)

407 Of course the comment is not just about Goldman. It is about getting a fucking job anywhere.



Check out how many Duke Engineers that graduated last year are unemployed.



NONE.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:21 PM (wR+pz)

__________
Sure engineers are getting hired. I never said they're not. What I did say is a "useless" BA from a top school like Bowdoin is just as valuable as a "real" degree like engineering from somewhere else.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:25 PM (HDgX3)

408 Mr Moo Moo, tell us of the brilliance of Goldman Sachs elites who would be living in cardboard boxes if not for massive taxpayer bailouts, free cash from the Fed window, and inside information between alumni in the government to Wall Street carousel

Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 01:25 PM (mCvL4)

409 Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 01:21 PM (P6QsQ)

Thank you, that was very much better put than what I was coming up with.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at April 06, 2013 01:25 PM (wbeNt)

410 The cardboard/paper dumpster in back of dollar stores is usually a good source of free boxes...unless it rained recently.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 06, 2013 01:25 PM (/gHaE)

411 Yeah, Yankees hire Yankees. This a surprise to you?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:24 PM (wR+pz)

________
OK. So why aren're they hiring from SUNY or U of Vermont or U of Maine?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:26 PM (HDgX3)

412 405

And as I've mentioned before, I am to the left of many of you, but
too "right" to be considered for a university position!!! Merely because
I made fun of Marx, questioned rabid dumbass "feminism," etc....

Damn Ace for that whole "four periods/dots in an ending ellipsis" thing.

Posted by: QuintJessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at April 06, 2013 01:24 PM
========
Crap! No wonder it never worked for me. I only use three...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 06, 2013 01:26 PM (aDwsi)

413 I see there are lots of larvaeists here. Harumph.

Posted by: M.Butterfly at April 06, 2013 01:26 PM (WEamb)

414 ..and if you go to a WMT late at night when they're restocking they usually let you take as many as you want too.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 06, 2013 01:27 PM (/gHaE)

415 408
Mr Moo Moo, tell us of the brilliance of Goldman Sachs elites who would
be living in cardboard boxes if not for massive taxpayer bailouts, free
cash from the Fed window, and inside information between alumni in the
government to Wall Street carousel



Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 01:25 PM (mCvL4)

____________
Again, I am not making a judgement on GS itself. I have said about 10 times now, that GS hires only from top schools. If you want to work for GS go to a Bowdoin type college. GS is still the place everyone wants to be. And even more so after the bailout, since it's like working for the govt now, job security with a $1M annual bonus.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:28 PM (HDgX3)

416 Of course even conservative Protestantism is unpopular. It's foundation us a glaring logical contradiction. If I can decide what truth is for myself, why show up on Sunday at all? Your Jesus says X. Mine says Y. Split. More irrelevance. Yes I'm aware that a civil war had been raging in the Catholic Church for decades. And the biological solution is delivering the victory.

Heh. Ever heard of South and Central America?

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 06, 2013 01:28 PM (GsoE9)

417 So Goldman is hiring engineers from public universities? News to me.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:18 PM (HDgX3)
----------------------------------------------------
Goldman Sachs runs trains?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 06, 2013 01:28 PM (jucos)

418 GS and Wall Street look every inch like a financial system run by a bunch of gay gardeners.

Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 01:28 PM (MMC8r)

419 Catholicism repels Socialism?

It hasn't worked in Italy, or South America.

Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 01:29 PM (MMC8r)

420 "Sure engineers are getting hired. I never said they're not. What I did say is a "useless" BA from a top school like Bowdoin is just as valuable as a "real" degree like engineering from somewhere else."


Again, Bowdoin is a good school; but if you think a BA from there carries the same weight as Princeton or gives you as good a shot at being hired by Goldman, you're smoking crack.

What you say is accurate about IB hiring from the Ivy League. It's a stretch to apply it to Bowdoin.

Posted by: AD at April 06, 2013 01:29 PM (4PGa6)

421 418
GS and Wall Street look every inch like a financial system run by a bunch of gay gardeners.

Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 01:28 PM (MMC8r)

______________
??

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:29 PM (HDgX3)

422 to QuintJessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK:

You must not have been seeking a position in mathematics or the hard sciences. There are plenty of conservatives in those colleges.

Posted by: M.Butterfly at April 06, 2013 01:30 PM (WEamb)

423 Mary, Mary,
quite contrary,
How does your garden grow?
With silver bells,
and cockle shells,
And pretty maids all in a row.


Wow. I think I just wrote my doctoral thesis in Queer Gardening. Now... Where's my gummint $$?

Posted by: jwpaine at April 06, 2013 01:30 PM (Lj1jO)

424
Goldman rules the world of finance and its run by people from Bowdowin,
Harvard, Princeton, etc.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:17 PM (HDgX3)


And this too shall pass.

Posted by: rrpjr at April 06, 2013 01:31 PM (5zxtd)

425 Sure engineers are getting hired. I never said
they're not. What I did say is a "useless" BA from a top school like
Bowdoin is just as valuable as a "real" degree like engineering from
somewhere else.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:25 PM

Name some Bowdoin alumni who are notable in their fields today

Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 01:31 PM (mCvL4)

426 Time to wrap up my let it burn Saturday with a nice cigar. Suck it, fun police.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 06, 2013 01:31 PM (msKez)

427 True, goddessoftheclassroom, they're not all bad.

I actually felt sorry for the teacher who banned the Easter Bunny and called him the Spring Bunny because one parent objected to it. "Offended." We should all speak up in a compassionate way and support teachers like that who are under fire from the left.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing - by Burke, Edmund"

Posted by: PJ at April 06, 2013 01:31 PM (ZWaLo)

428 College is one of the great Swindles of our time.

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 06, 2013 01:32 PM (c/58R)

429 Goldman's recruiting events this January. I see Columbia. I see Yale. I see Penn. I see Chicago. I see Northwestern.

Hmmm...anyone notice a trend?

What I don't see is Never Heard of It Statue U


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:22 PM

What I don't see is Bowdoin College

Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 01:32 PM (mCvL4)

430 Colleges and universities are no longer in the business of educating young minds.

All they do now is marinate students in left-wing groupthink.

Posted by: Horrified Observer at April 06, 2013 01:32 PM (/sohm)

431 Joshua Chamberlain is rolling in his grave.

Posted by: Nighthawk at April 06, 2013 01:32 PM (paPv4)

432 @411

I understand your point. As an economist myself we would say hiring at elite schools is a cheap way to screen applications .

I use to actually recruit at colleges, and it is a cheap way to screen folks. People at UNCC are mostly local kids not to bright. Kids a Duke and UVA not the same.

It is sad, but true, admissions to elite schools can set a course for success. What I see happening, since I just went through this with both my sons, is that recruiters are not stupid.

Affirmative action grads are seen for what they are and unless the firm needs some "color" they get skipped.

So your point that Bowdoin will get a good look over SUNY is very true, not just for academic reasons, but also for cultural reasons.

The guy at a $50K private school more than likely knows how to hold his fork. The guy at SUNY? Who knows.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:33 PM (wR+pz)

433 It sure seemed to do a good job of it in Poland. How is that Soviet Union doing anyways?

Posted by: John Paul II at April 06, 2013 01:33 PM (NSO0r)

434 Again, Bowdoin is a good school; but if you think a
BA from there carries the same weight as Princeton or gives you as good a
shot at being hired by Goldman, you're smoking crack.



What you say is accurate about IB hiring from the Ivy League. It's a stretch to apply it to Bowdoin.

Posted by: AD at April 06, 2013 01:29 PM (4PGa6)

______________________
I disagree. Ivy and NE liberal arts colleges like Bowdowin, Colby, Sherberts, Vassar, Williams are on equal footing when it comes to job opportunities in the highly coveted industries/companies.

What you said applies to law school. Ivy Law degree trumps all others.But none of the liberal arts schools have law schools, so your point is moot.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:33 PM (HDgX3)

435 @419
More like often embraces: Liberation Theology.

If Jesus told you to give to charity he apparently implied he would put a gun to your head.

Posted by: Beagle at April 06, 2013 01:33 PM (sOtz/)

436 GS had a recent round of layoffs. Tough times even fo the leet.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 06, 2013 01:33 PM (/gHaE)

437 I wonder which one is better.... Long Bowdoin or Cross Bowdoin. Discuss.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 06, 2013 01:33 PM (jucos)

438 I disagree.

No one saw that coming.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 06, 2013 01:34 PM (24zYZ)

439 423
Mary, Mary,
quite contrary,
How does your garden grow?
With silver bells,
and cockle shells,
And pretty maids all in a row.

Wow. I think I just wrote my doctoral thesis in Queer Gardening. Now... Where's my gummint $$?


Posted by: jwpaine at April 06, 2013 01:30 PM

Mary, Mary quite contrary
Shaved her pussy 'cause it was so fuckin' hairy

Posted by: Andrew Dice Clay at April 06, 2013 01:34 PM (mCvL4)

440 You know, i think how quaint, we did a study. You know how the academy got all Leftist? Those motherfuckers TOOK it. Early 70s, all the sitins and takeovers. Princeton did not have an academic year in 74.

I dont advocate violence. But lets face it, it works

Posted by: blaster at April 06, 2013 01:35 PM (ZHHEa)

441 OK I am really off to the Depot, so Moo Moo I won't be kicking your ass for a while.

You will have to wait.

Ha Ha.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:35 PM (wR+pz)

442
Little Boy Blue
He needed the money! Oh!

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 06, 2013 01:36 PM (c/58R)

443 Rubbish. The heart of Protestantism is that truth is found in the Bible, not the traditions of the Latin branch of the Church.
Posted by: Grey Fox at April 06, 2013 01:23 PM (GsoE9)

I still think Luther was right on all counts. The Church can't ever seem to fix itself without a massive scandal. Indulgences, gay priests and communism. How holy can they be if the keep getting led astray by Satan?

Posted by: Ook? at April 06, 2013 01:36 PM (OQpzc)

444 The local Kinkos saved their boxes for me as long as I picked them up every other day or so. They're a good size for books, too.

Posted by: Retread at April 06, 2013 01:36 PM (zxitI)

445 What's in the bowl, bitch?

Posted by: jwpaine at April 06, 2013 01:37 PM (Lj1jO)

446 Serious, you guys, how advanced can a culture truly be if they subsist on a mangy fucking rodent? Diversity, my ass!

Posted by: Fritz at April 06, 2013 01:37 PM (WM+rJ)

447 Sure, Home Depot has a Gardening Department, but does it have a fuckin' Queer Gardening Department? Well, does it Fascists?

Posted by: I Dare Defend My Queer Gardeniness at April 06, 2013 01:38 PM (JQuNB)

448 Mary, Mary quite contrary
Shaved her pussy 'cause it was so fuckin' hairy

Posted by: Andrew Dice Clay at April 06, 2013 01:34 PM (mCvL4)
---------------------------------------------
You forgot to say "WOHHHHHH"!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 06, 2013 01:38 PM (jucos)

449

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:33 PM (wR+pz)

______________
Absolutely.
I cringe when I hear people say "why should I waste $200K for a Harvard
degree when I can go to a local college for a fraction of the cost".

What you said is why.

The $200K isn't a fee for learning more. It's an entrance fee into the club.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:38 PM (HDgX3)

450

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at April 06, 2013 01:33 PM (wR+pz)

______________
Absolutely. I cringe when I hear people say "why should I waste $200K for a Harvard degree when I can go to a local college for a fraction of the cost".

What you said is why.

The $200K isn't a fee for learning more. It's an entrance fee into the club.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 06, 2013 01:38 PM (HDgX3)

451 438

LOL

Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 01:38 PM (MMC8r)

452 In fact, it's kind of an unwritten rule that a business oriented degree
(undergrad) is a detriment when applying to the big banks.
--

Wow, you really nailed it there. Just not in the way you think.

Posted by: Mayday at April 06, 2013 01:38 PM (F3s39)

453 Ook,

The Church is "Holy" not because of it's members, but because of it's mission and it's founder. Rather, it is despite it's members that it endures.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 01:39 PM (NSO0r)

454 I gotta go troll the blog, troll the blog

Posted by: Jimmy Two Times at April 06, 2013 01:39 PM (mCvL4)

455 It sure seemed to do a good job of it in Poland. How is that Soviet Union doing anyways?

Catholicism worked well against tyranny there because the tyranny was explicitly anti-religion. Where autocracy was not anti-religion, it didn't work so well - France, Spain, Italy, Mexico, etc.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 06, 2013 01:40 PM (GsoE9)

456

wow

who needs Ambien

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 06, 2013 01:40 PM (QVBzT)

457 I gotta go troll the blog, troll the blog
Posted by: Jimmy Two Times at April 06, 2013 01:39 PM (mCvL4)\
-------------------------------------------------------
What, what?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 06, 2013 01:41 PM (jucos)

458 Stupid cat. It's as if he can tell that I was ready to leave now so he plops into my lap and starts purring like crazy. Does it about 50% of the time (and the more I *need* to leavr right then the more likely he is to do it).

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at April 06, 2013 01:42 PM (wbeNt)

459 I wonder which one is better.... Long Bowdoin or Cross Bowdoin. Discuss.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 06, 2013 01:33 PM (jucos)

=)

Posted by: flannery o'conner at April 06, 2013 01:42 PM (qPCAa)

460 Grey Fox, we just made a movie. Seen it?

Posted by: The Cristetos at April 06, 2013 01:42 PM (NSO0r)

461 I just typo'd my own name. The reds were also against socks.

Posted by: The Cristeros at April 06, 2013 01:43 PM (NSO0r)

462 Just think, this is the school Major General Joshua Lawerence Chamberlain taught rhetoric and revealed religion at.

Wonder if they'd let him teach now?

Posted by: Shawn G at April 06, 2013 01:44 PM (/lltO)

463 Posted by: The Cristetos

461 I just typo'd my own name. The reds were also against socks.

Posted by: The Cristeros


I like the Flamin' Hot Cristetos but I'd like to try Cool Ranch Cristetos.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2013 01:45 PM (mN8D3)

464 What's that sme-elllll?


Saturday thread stank.

Posted by: eleven at April 06, 2013 01:48 PM (fsLdt)

465 @462
A Queer Critique of Civil War Homophobic Facial Hair

Or something.

Posted by: Beagle at April 06, 2013 01:48 PM (sOtz/)

466 One clear benefit of an undead rising, at least for Bowdoin College, would be that they could get back Joshua Chamberlain as college president. A cast-iron badass if there ever was one, and undoubtedly smarter than the current president even after over a century of decomposition.
Posted by: Darren at April 06, 2013 11:10 AM (nIbSp)

The action on Little Round Top on the 2nd day of the Battle of Gettysburg by the 20th Maine was truly epic. Chamberlain was the regiment's colonel. He ordered a bayonet charge after the regiment ran out of ammunition.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at April 06, 2013 01:50 PM (nYHk7)

467 I might add that I don't hate Catholicism - I am a scholar of Medieval Europe, after all - and don't particularly want tohave a Protestant versus Catholic fight, but the notion that Catholicism is somehow better than Protestantism at resisting Tyranny and Leftism is so wide of the mark as to be laughable. Protestant, particularly Calvinist, opposition to Catholicism during the 16th and 17th century was the driving force behind the oppostion to Absolutism and the formation and perfection of ideas such as Contract Theory, limited government, the supremacy of the law, etc.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 06, 2013 01:50 PM (GsoE9)

468 Here's the most notable grads of Bowdoin in the last 22 years

Paul Adelstein (1991), actor, best known for his roles in Prison Break (2005–07) and Private Practice (2007–present)

Paul Miller, aka DJ Spooky, (1992), electronic and experimental hip hop musician.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 01:52 PM (mCvL4)

469 The $200K isn't a fee for learning more. It's an entrance fee into the club.

Curious...

http://tinyurl.com/yfmtk9s

Quite a few non-Harvard on that list


Posted by: @PurpAv at April 06, 2013 01:52 PM (/gHaE)

470 Gah. Why aren't the baseball games on this afternoon instead of tonight, up against the Final Four?

Feast or famine.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 01:53 PM (P6QsQ)

471 So I just read at the Bowdoin College site that the college offers:
" To make hosts of friends and (additionally)To lose yourself in generous enthusiasms".

So is the implication that you will eat your friends to the glory of God? Or is more of just a intimacy thing a la X? I am inclined to believe the latter given the giving myself over to "general enthusiasms".

Ah the liberal arts. I should have considered that when selecting my college.

Posted by: Wutupnavel? at April 06, 2013 01:54 PM (WEamb)

472 da cuse

Posted by: eleven at April 06, 2013 01:54 PM (fsLdt)

473

So, IBs like to hire Liberal Arts grads, and see degrees in finance ... unfavorably ....

Perhaps this explains the problems of the last decade or two, involving derivatives, insider trading and poor investments ... finance grads would've seen these problems immediately, LA fools bought off on the deep, complex bullshit.

Posted by: Arbalest at April 06, 2013 01:54 PM (a1S5f)

474 What the heck is a generous enthusiasm?

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 01:56 PM (P6QsQ)

475 Protestant, particularly Calvinist, opposition to Catholicism during the 16th and 17th century was the driving force behind the oppostion to Absolutism and the formation and perfection of ideas such as Contract Theory, limited government, the supremacy of the law, etc.

...and pragmatism, and utilitarianism, and social Darwinism, and subjectivism....

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 06, 2013 01:56 PM (pVT8C)

476 Quite a few non-Harvard on that list
Posted by: @PurpAv at April 06, 2013 01:52 PM (/gHaE)

Do you ever wonder if the Harvardians have a special handshake or other signal, that yes, they are members of the Satanic Communist Club?

Posted by: Ook? at April 06, 2013 01:56 PM (OQpzc)

477 Gotta go to Home Depot and get more packing boxes. We've used 30 of
their small size boxes for books so far and probably need at least 15
more. Plus the glass seperaters. I was going to try to avoid those since
they're kind of expensive, but looking at all our glasses, we need at
least a few.

***

ABC Liquors is where I got mine. They are small and heavy duty because liquor is heavy. And, some of the boxes have the cardboard glass separators in them

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 01:57 PM (piMMO)

478 http://tinyurl.com/yfmtk9s

Quite a few non-Harvard on that list

PurpAV - I have new respect for SDSU. Costco has a winning business model for sure.

Posted by: Wutupnavel? at April 06, 2013 01:58 PM (WEamb)

479 'So I just read at the Bowdoin College site that the college offers:" To make hosts of friends and (additionally)To lose yourself in generous enthusiasms".'

Hosts, as in the goa'uld kind of "hosts?"

Posted by: Ook? at April 06, 2013 01:59 PM (OQpzc)

480 ...and pragmatism, and utilitarianism, and social Darwinism, and subjectivism....
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 06, 2013 01:56 PM (pVT8C)

hi Bannion! I've been staying out of it.

Posted by: flannery o'conner at April 06, 2013 01:59 PM (qPCAa)

481 off flannery o'conner sock

Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 02:00 PM (qPCAa)

482 hi Bannion! I've been staying out of it.

Probably a good plan.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 06, 2013 02:00 PM (pVT8C)

483 Mama winger: I can only assume based on my wide and deep... experience (ahem)... that it has to be drug induced.

Posted by: Wutupnavel? at April 06, 2013 02:01 PM (WEamb)

484 They're people people.

Posted by: eleven at April 06, 2013 02:01 PM (fsLdt)

485 Just my opinion, but I think instead of membership in a particular church body, is the centrality of Jesus in one's life. Love of God and the desire to follow Him, serve Him, become more like Him, and be faithfully obedient to Him out of love and gratitude for who He is and what He has done for us seems a better indicator of how closely one holds to truth and goodness, then church identification.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 02:01 PM (P6QsQ)

486 478
http://tinyurl.com/yfmtk9s

Quite a few non-Harvard on that list

PurpAV - I have new respect for SDSU. Costco has a winning business model for sure.


Posted by: Wutupnavel? at April 06, 2013 01:58 PM

Surprisingly, Ivy League graduates do not dominate the top fifty Fortune 500 Companies. When measuring CEO undergraduate education, the University of Texas system has just as much representation as Harvard: a total of 3 CEOs. What does this mean for students? An elite career doesn't always stem from an elite education.

Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 02:02 PM (mCvL4)

487 Grey Fox,

Neither am I trying to have that debate. But simply put, where are they now?

At the core of Protestantism (which is fundamentally different from Evangelicalism) is a rejection of interpretive authority in regards to matters of truth and morals, in favor of communal or individual authority.

As such it has been unable to resist the tides of leftism in the 20th century, because leftism asserts the same thing only to a more radical degree.

There is also a shared element of a rejection of history and cultural patrimony, and iconoclasm. The disagreement then is merely one of dates. Protestantism says the great restart is around 1517, Leftism says 1917.

Notice how the left wants to interpret the Constitution? It's the same method used by Protestantism to interpret Scripture.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 02:03 PM (BW3wP)

488 Mama winger: I can only assume based on my wide and deep... experience (ahem)... that it has to be drug induced.


That sentence did sound a bit "X"-ey.

Posted by: eleven at April 06, 2013 02:03 PM (fsLdt)

489 No coincidence that the woman who wrote this piece of shit comes from that school:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/25/opinion/three-cheers-for-the-nanny-state.html

Posted by: Chris R at April 06, 2013 02:03 PM (iP8Yi)

490 474
What the heck is a generous enthusiasm?


Happy endings on sorority row.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 06, 2013 02:03 PM (/gHaE)

491 ...and pragmatism, and utilitarianism, and social Darwinism, and subjectivism....
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 06, 2013 01:56 PM (pVT8C)

You say those like they are bad things.

The main thing to keep in mind is we must not war with each other. The State wants us all gone. What we have in common must be what we focus on. The faithful of each side should be shooting in the same direction.

Posted by: Ook? at April 06, 2013 02:03 PM (OQpzc)

492

That chicken place I mentioned earlier....

Wow. So. Damned. Good! I tried the fried yucca. Like french fries...kind of. I'll be going back there.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 06, 2013 02:03 PM (eyJh9)

493 @467
Good point. I was not defending Protestantism. All kinds fall for lefty propaganda. But in the case of Lib Theo it goes up the clerical chain in some cases. The Christian Left goes mostly uncriticized. Many Protestant churches are hard left as well.

I have no sectarian preference. I studied Christian Europe to avoid Marx as best I could. So my idea of hell is centuries of sectarian war, until the US comes into being.

Posted by: Beagle at April 06, 2013 02:04 PM (sOtz/)

494

"Celebrating Diversity"...is basically, celebrating what divides us.

But hey, it sounds good to liberals, so that's what matters.

It's yet another pukeworthy cloaking device for the Left to use in instilling their hatred of America.

Posted by: wheatie at April 06, 2013 02:04 PM (5kUwW)

495 Of course all these non-Ivy success stories mean nothing to Moo Moo because none of them were employed by the patronage mill called Goldman Sachs

Know who's a former CEO of Goldman Sachs?

Jon Corzine

Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 02:05 PM (mCvL4)

496 The crowning irony actually appears below the essay, in the Quote of the Day, which is from Joshua Chamberlain, former president of Bowdoin College and commander of the 20th Maine, the regiment that held the line on Little Round Top at the Battle of Gettysburg. Chamberlain, who won the Congressional Medal of Honor, wrote of the courage and tenacity of the 20th Maine in the teeth of all that Robert E. Lee threw at them.

No doubt present-day Bowdoin looks with disdain on what they regard as the racist, sexist, etceteraist Chamberlain. Me, I can only imagine that Chamberlain's spirit holds the present-day Bowdoin in the deepest contempt.

Posted by: Brown Line at April 06, 2013 02:05 PM (mToSI)

497 Speaking of diversity and tolerance...

http://bit.ly/10Etlj2

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 06, 2013 02:05 PM (piMMO)

498 Just talking out of my ass without clicking on the link or doing any research so don't hold me to this, I would guess that "generous enthusiasms" is leftover from the 19th century descriptions of the college where enthusiasm has a connotation of poetic inspiration.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 02:06 PM (qPCAa)

499 The "elite education" only inoculates you from your fuckups if you go into government service or a business where government will bail you out.


Posted by: @PurpAv at April 06, 2013 02:07 PM (/gHaE)

500 Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 02:03 PM (BW3wP)

:::: applause :::::

:::: pause :::::

::::: thunderous applause ::::

I too continue my search through Scipture for the part that says sola Scriptura. It is in vain to this point, but I shall endeavor to persevere, for I am assured it is there.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 06, 2013 02:07 PM (pVT8C)

501 Know who's a former CEO of Goldman Sachs?Jon Corzine
Posted by: kbdabear at April 06, 2013 02:05 PM (mCvL4)

The Vampire Squid and the devil protect their own.

Posted by: Ook? at April 06, 2013 02:08 PM (OQpzc)

502 Hrm, 500 comments. Has everyone already said they hope Bowdoin never gets another dime?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ eating cookies at April 06, 2013 02:09 PM (hO8IJ)

503 You say those like they are bad things.

Ummmmm, yeah. Because they are.

You just judge a thing by its fruits. Social Darwinism, for one example, results in eugenics by logical extension.

Sorry you cannot see why that is a bad thing.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 06, 2013 02:09 PM (pVT8C)

504 One of my flying buddies is a Harvard MBA, but he never talk about it in conversation unless you pry it out of him...because of the stigma attached to it and he thinks it was a complete waste of money.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 06, 2013 02:11 PM (/gHaE)

505

Hrm, 500 comments. Has everyone already said they hope Bowdoin never gets another dime?

I was hoping to get that dig in on post # 666 of this thread.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 06, 2013 02:11 PM (eyJh9)

506 Sorry you cannot see why that is a bad thing.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 06, 2013 02:09 PM (pVT8C)

How does kicking social Darwinism in the teeth not lead to socialism?

Posted by: Ook? at April 06, 2013 02:12 PM (OQpzc)

507 Mama,

I do not disagree.

And your statement illustrates why Evangelicalism has been able to hold the line against leftism.

If you'll permit me to elaborate. A major part of Marxism (and Nietzsche, and others in that vein) was the establishment of a "new man" to be the measure of all things.

Broadly speaking, the Greeks said "man is the measure of all things". Than Christianity said "Yeah, but that man us Jesus.". Then Nietzsche at all said, "we need to get a different mam, an uber munchen, a superman... Someone other than Jesus.". The Nazis ran with that. So did the soviets.

And the concept remains at the core of leftism today, that some new man (in essence, literally, the anti Christ) must be the measure of all things. An appeal that Evangelicalism is able to resist, etc.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 02:12 PM (pQXbd)

508 'Generous enthusiasm' = 'mutual BJs'

Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 02:14 PM (MMC8r)

509
I thought that 'Social Darwinism' is just...survival of the fittest.

Which would be the opposite of eugenics, which imposes artificial man-made constraints on a population.

Posted by: wheatie at April 06, 2013 02:14 PM (5kUwW)

510
“I condemn the spirit of the report in the strongest possible terms. It is a spiteful and partisan attack upon our very way of life and its assault on our educational philosophy should be dismissed as petty and one-sided,” wrote Ryan Holmes ’13, a member of the Meddiebempsters a cappella group, in an email to the Orient.

The Bowdin Orient Student Newspaper




"And now - back to Meddiebempsters rehearsal. Next week is Regionals!"

*Flounces away*

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 06, 2013 02:17 PM (kdS6q)

511 Hopeless -

Thank you for your response. I think perhaps another thing Evangelicalism has going for it in the fight against Leftism, at least in my experience, is the constant teaching that things will get much worse as the return of Christ draws nearer, and that we are to be always ready to face persecution for our faith and stand firm. We kind have been trained all our lives to watch for attempts to weaken or marginalize or persecute the faith, and to not be afraid to face it and fight for our beliefs. To die if necessary to preserve our testimony. It is good preparation, and is coming to be quite handy lately.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 02:18 PM (P6QsQ)

512

Barky is against Pragmatism, and Utilitarianism, and Social Darwinism.

So, what does that tell us?

Posted by: wheatie at April 06, 2013 02:19 PM (5kUwW)

513 How does kicking social Darwinism in the teeth not lead to socialism?

I don't even know where you're going with that. In fact, you have it bass ackwards.

Social Darwinism animates all socialistic movements. You seem to be saying cutting down Social Darwinism leads to socialism, whereas Social Darwinism is the germ that he,ps give you the sickness of aocialism

The belief that only the strong survive leads man to try and hurry it along a little. This is common almost exclusively to the political left. Check out Goldberg's Liberal Facism for a readable version of why this is so, or Hayek's The Fatal Conceit and The Road to Serfdom for a more philosophical treatment. I'd also throw in Sowell's The Viaion of the Annointed for good measure.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 06, 2013 02:20 PM (pVT8C)

514 No social Darwinism is a nineteenth century intellectual movement. Read Daniel j Kevles " in the name of eugenics " or damn, what's his names great book called social Darwinism or just read liberal fascism by Goldberg.

Posted by: Elizabethe at April 06, 2013 02:20 PM (qPCAa)

515 I think here we generally do a good job of nit devolving into sectarian differences, a lot of these morning idea exchanges end up being pretty fruitful for a lot of folks, because they are a means by which the problems we face are defined and understood in more concrete terms.

There is starting to be a deep realization across the right that we've lost the culture war. Badly.

And these discussions are, in essence, discussing how that came to be, what we do about it now, and how do we move forward despite various differences.

I view these (which have been much for frequent since Nov) as part of that dialog.

Posted by: Ook at April 06, 2013 02:21 PM (HPNED)

516 Remember this one? Where the Harvard leet brain trust fucked up and the university took a $500M haircut to get out of some credit rate swap scheme?

http://tinyurl.com/cldkkna

You too can hire this caliber of talent...
...they usually congregate at Lowes and Home Depot's early in the morning.


Posted by: @PurpAv at April 06, 2013 02:21 PM (/gHaE)

517 Barky is against Pragmatism, and Utilitarianism, and Social Darwinism.

That's funny because almost all of his social policies are steeped in them.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 06, 2013 02:21 PM (pVT8C)

518 515 was from me, meant to be written to Ook.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 02:23 PM (HPNED)

519 The darkly humorous irony is that the "Western culture" the Frankfurt School was trying to destroy was the very source of its life and existence. All the Frankfurt School did, and Marxism in general, was to take Western egocentrism to its logical conclusion. What the so-called Enlightenment started, Marxism perfected: the elevation of man to the role of "god."

Posted by: Patrick at April 06, 2013 02:23 PM (LrlHu)

520 For all the parents on this thread of students that are going to college. You're supporting this. You're the ones perpetuating the indoctrination and eventual graduation of a large percentage of people whowill have learned to hate this country. Congratulations.

Posted by: Soona at April 06, 2013 02:24 PM (O3K8c)

521 Yeah there's two completely opposite interpretations of the term Social Darwinism.






Posted by: eleven at April 06, 2013 02:25 PM (fsLdt)

522 I thought that 'Social Darwinism' is just...survival of the fittest.

No. See elizabethe's post. Social Darwinism twists one small aspect of Dariwnism into a social engineering pretzel.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 06, 2013 02:25 PM (pVT8C)

523 Hopeless, do you like Wendell berry?

Posted by: Elizabethe on the damn phone at April 06, 2013 02:26 PM (qPCAa)

524 Hola peeps
You know, I was thinking (and yes, when a democrat is thinking it is either bizzare sex, taxes, or insulting you...this is the insult)....
I'm part Mexican. I am a die hard cubbies and bears fan.
Therefore if anyone H8s on either team...you're racist

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 06, 2013 02:27 PM (j8JLb)

525 Mama,

Broadly, I think you're right. The classic example if culture capture is the Anglicans. It became, literally, the religion of the state. And so whatever new policy (contraception being the big one in the early 20th century) the state wanted, the CoE took a vote on and supported.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 02:27 PM (VdNG6)

526 Posted by: Soona at April 06, 2013 02:24 PM (O3K8c)

Dude, the finger-pointing thing never goes down well on this blog. Just sayin'.

Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 02:28 PM (MMC8r)

527 All Darwinism is a lot less desirable when you realize it is survival of the lucky. Evolution, genetics, and epigenetics will conspire to make whatever survives fit.

Posted by: Beagle at April 06, 2013 02:28 PM (sOtz/)

528 New thread.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at April 06, 2013 02:28 PM (PNJll)

529

Ah.
So when people use the term of 'Social Darwinism', they are referring to a social movement that was actually a twisted perversion of the words?

Like the way that Barky and his thralls called the ACA...a "reform".

Posted by: wheatie at April 06, 2013 02:29 PM (5kUwW)

530 Dude, the finger-pointing thing never goes down well on this blog. Just sayin'.
Posted by: zsasz at April 06, 2013 02:28 PM (MMC8r)


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Just pointing out a hard fact......dude.

Posted by: Soona at April 06, 2013 02:31 PM (O3K8c)

531 I am a die hard cubbies and bears fan.

Iowahawk had an interesting take on the Cubs. To paraphrase; Apparently it was so long ago the last time the Cubs won the World Series that there are only 2,000 survivors of the event. He then said therefor it must go down in history as one of the worst tragedies of all time.

He did a better job with the wording.

Posted by: illegally posting anonymously on the internet at April 06, 2013 02:32 PM (feFL6)

532 Elizabethe

Never read him, though I suspect I would.

Big fan of the back to the land movement, Chesterton, and others.

*sigh* dreams of what could have been.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 02:33 PM (qHQCW)

533 mama winger, thank you for your above posts re Evangelicalism.
Inspired by He who is Love are you.

Posted by: Wake up call at April 06, 2013 02:33 PM (SFZtG)

534 As to Joshua Chamberlain, he was no doubt a hero, and a legitimate Medal of Honor recipient, but also a relentless self-promoter according to William Marvel's book "Lee's Last Retreat". A lot of heroics got "remembered" 50 years after the event. And his unit wasn't the only one at Little Round Top, the other units in his brigade took horrendous casualties there, but didn't get the hero treatment that was started by Bruce Catton in his trilogy and cut and pasted by virtually every book and film about Gettysburg.. Marvel was careful to use sources written at the time they happened and showed convincingly that a lot of Chamberlain's exploits were made up long after the war.

Posted by: JHW at April 06, 2013 02:34 PM (B38OD)

535 At the core of Protestantism (which is fundamentally different from Evangelicalism) is a rejection of interpretive authority in regards to matters of truth and morals, in favor of communal or individual authority.

It is an assertion of Biblical authority over one particular clericaltradition - Catholics can't even claim a monopoly on traditional, since the Eastern Orthodox Church, not to mention the Ethiopian, Arminian, and others, are just as old. The sole claim to Catholic preeiminence is based on a singleambiguous verseand the assumption that any special authority accorded to Peter passed to a successor in a particular city. As such it has been unable to resist the tides of leftism in the 20th century, because leftism asserts the same thing only to a more radical degree.

Leftism came out of Catholic France in the 18th century, not out of Protestant England.
There is also a shared element of a rejection of history and cultural patrimony, and iconoclasm. The disagreement then is merely one of dates. Protestantism says the great restart is around 1517, Leftism says 1917.

The diagreement is whether truth is found in the Bible or in "reason" aka leftist ideology. Protestantism does not reject tradition, but argues that when it conflicts with the Bible, the Bible must be followed.
Notice how the left wants to interpret the Constitution? It's the same method used by Protestantism to interpret Scripture.

Actually, it is the exact opposite. Leftists reject any intrinsic meaning in any text, Protestants believe not only that there is an intrinsic meaning to scripture but that this meaning is accessible and should be diligently sought out.


I am in a pretty foul mood already, from unrelated matters, I better drop this beforeI say something I will really regret. I'll just say that you have a lot of learning to do about both Protestantism (and, probably, the actual history of Catholicism) and history on general.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 06, 2013 02:34 PM (GsoE9)

536
Professor of Government Paul Franco wrote in an email to the Orient...

“My worry about the NAS report is that, for the sake making a predictable point in a now stale culture war, it will render precious institutions like Bowdoin more vulnerable than they already are, feeding the anti-intellectual perception that they do not provide a practical education and therefore aren’t worth the money,” Franco added.

The Bowdin Orient Student Newspaper

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 06, 2013 02:34 PM (kdS6q)

537 What a sweet thing to say, Wake up call. Thank you.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 02:35 PM (P6QsQ)

538 Social Darwinists applied Darwin's quite limited biological hypothesis to society saying that should enact and encourage social policies that encouraged the "best" culture to survive. All of the new social sciences, anthropology, sociology, religious studies, economics, were founded by social Darwinists at the turn of the century to compare societies, to figure out social policies that would engineer outcomes to get society to look the way they wanted. Margaret mead, Thorsten Veblen, lots of profs at U Chicago, Margaret Sanger. Direct ancestors of leftie academics.

Posted by: Elizabethe on the damn phone at April 06, 2013 02:38 PM (qPCAa)

539 Grey Fox,

You're slouching towards the Rhine. I can see the trajectory in your ideas. Tough to square unsquarable circles.

A bit of Cardinal Newman should have you feeling better, and does wonders for the mood.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 06, 2013 02:43 PM (Hi24w)

540
"Rodney Dangerfield in "Back to School" explains the real world to a business professor"

That is one of the all time greatest shows on college life (at least from my perspective). It doesn't hurt that Oingo Boingo is in it either.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 06, 2013 02:45 PM (DS2Ry)

541 ah! I found it, not that anyone cares.

Carl Degler, In Search of Human Nature: the Decine and Revival of Darwinism in American Social Thought.

Hofstatder also has a book on Social Darwinism in American thought, but I've never read it. It's supposed to be a classic.

dude, I need to start teaching again.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 02:47 PM (qPCAa)

542
@538...Thanks, Elizabethe.

So in actuality, 'Social Darwinism' is the exact opposite of what the words imply...it is social engineering, instead of letting nature take it's course.

Posted by: wheatie at April 06, 2013 02:47 PM (5kUwW)

543 ....social policies that would engineer outcomes to get society to look the way they wanted.

****

I helped a lot that they bought up television and film

Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at April 06, 2013 02:50 PM (MhA4j)

544 ..it is social engineering, instead of letting nature take it's course.
Posted by: wheatie at April 06, 2013 02:47 PM (5kUwW)

right. darwinism applied to society.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 06, 2013 02:53 PM (qPCAa)

Posted by: Pizza at April 06, 2013 03:00 PM (fAhKx)

546 Joshua Chamberlain would be saddened by what Bowdoin has become, imo.

Posted by: Pizza at April 06, 2013 03:02 PM (fAhKx)

547 Wow. So that's what happens when someone with cash AND balls fights back.

Posted by: Filly at April 06, 2013 03:06 PM (V0ArA)

548 Grey Fox and Hopeless -

Actually, all the Reformation constituted was a spreading of the papal fallacies to each individual. That is, it made each man a "pope" unto himself. The descent toward egocentrism which Rome's self-severance from the Body of Christ engendered was merely amplified and accelerated by the Reformation. Thus both Protestantism and Latinism are sources of humanism and egocentrism (liberalism). In fact, all liberalism is is a distillation, a concentration, of the inherent humanism and egocentrism of both Protestantism and Latinism.

Also, Grey Fox: there is much more than just the one semi-ambiguous verse that Rome uses! There is a whole host of fabricated and mis-quoted "evidence!" Though most of the fabricated evidence, as I understand it, has been abandoned by now (things like the so-called Donation of Constantine), the mis-quoting or, more appropriately, cite-quoting (like all people with a legalistic worldview, Rome is masterful at that), is still key.

To me, age is just the first step which, of course, eliminates any and all Protestant groups/churches/organizations/ideologies from contention of being Apostolic as not one existed prior to the 16th century. After that, there is the most important thing: maintaining the Faith, the Truth. As the NT, itself says, all Scripture is good for reproof,correction and instruction, but the Church is the pillar and ground of Truth. And one need look no further than the changing "truth" of Rome to see that it cannot sustain the claims it makes.

Personally, I also like to look at things like, oh, the Councils, which were established in Acts 15. Most of all, the Acts of the Council of Chalcedon, in which it is plain that not only did Rome have no declarative (ex cathedra) authority, it is clear that what would today be considered an "ex cathedra" proclamation from the then bishop of Rome, St. Leo, was, in fact, JUDGED by the Council. It was found to be in comportment with the Faith, but it was NOT, as mistakenly claimed by both Latins and monophysites, the "basis" of the horos of the Fourth Ecumenical Council.

Grey Fox - Protestantism (which I was a member of for nearly 32 years), is not so monolithic in its strict adherence to Scripture as you seem to claim. Not only that, as pointed out above, the NT, itself, rejects sola scriptura.

Posted by: Patrick at April 06, 2013 03:20 PM (LrlHu)

549 So many words. So little actual knowledge.

Some good bigotry in there though.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 06, 2013 03:41 PM (pVT8C)

550 Sean Bannion - you know, you really should be more specific about who you are aiming your content/information free excuses for sarcasm at.

Posted by: Patrick at April 06, 2013 03:42 PM (LrlHu)

551 My sister went to Bowdoin. I strongly object to this characterization of the school.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at April 06, 2013 03:42 PM (nranl)

552 Grey Fox - Protestantism (which I was a member of for nearly 32 years), is not so monolithic in its strict adherence to Scripture as you seem to claim. Not only that, as pointed out above, the NT, itself, rejects sola scriptura.

I am speaking of tenets of Protestantism as established by Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, etc. We do not reject the church, merely reject it as a source of doctrine in addition to what is found in the Bible.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 06, 2013 03:46 PM (GsoE9)

553 In the late 1980's one of the most beautiful women I ever saw (to this day) transferred to Bowdoin. She was smart and nice, too.

I'm hoping they didn't fill her head full of stupid. That's about 25 years ago, so maybe there was still some honor left at Bowdoin.

There sure ain't any now...

Posted by: RobM1981 at April 06, 2013 03:49 PM (zurJC)

554 Some good bigotry in there though.

If you are referring to me, I am not sure why defending Protestantismby appealing to the relative track records vis a vis freedom of both Catholicism and Protestantism counts as bigotry.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 06, 2013 03:50 PM (GsoE9)

555 Not you GF

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 06, 2013 03:54 PM (pVT8C)

556 Grey Fox - There are some serious problems with your statement, though. First, as pointed out at least twice in my earlier post, the NT, *itself*, rejects sola scriptura. True, everything in the Faith can be found, with proper instruction and a Patristic mindset, in Scripture, but Scripture is not the source of the Faith. The Church, as the NT states, is the pillar and ground of Truth. Not Scirpture, but the Church.

Second, why are Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, etc., so revered? They most certainly are not of the Apostolic age, and, again, came up with nothing until the 16th century. Why not look to Fathers like the first century saints? St. Ignatius? St. Clement? or the writers of the second century, like St. Irenaeus? Their principles for understanding the Faith and Scriptures comes from the Apostles, themselves, not from "individual determination," which drove people like Luther and Calvin to feel they had the right to pick and choose what parts of the Faith "made sense to them."

That, of course, is the essence of Protestantism - that the individual determines the content of the Faith, not the Faith determining the Faith. Now, each of those gentlemen would not have said they were picking and choosing according to their own whims, but were trying to get back to the "true" Faith. Problem is, that very idea means Christ failed (when He promised that He'd establish His Church - not His Scriptures or his Faith, mind you, but His Church - so that the gates of hades would not prevail against it) and hades prevailed against the Church. Not only that, but their very methodology was one of self-determination. They didn't look for the Church established by Christ, but decided that, through their own personal zeal and intelligences, they could "re-institute" the Church. Which, as described herein, inherently must conclude that the Church had fallen to the gates of hades in its entirety at some point, making Christ a liar and a failure.

Third, there is a fair amount of "doctrine" most Protestants agree to that is not in the Bible - not *explicitly*, anyway (things like the Trinity). AND: there are things that *are* in the Bible that Protestants reject (things like the rejection of sola scriptura and sola fide, there being only one Church and one baptism, that you must be baptized to receive the Holy Spirit, etc.). So, your statement, though generally agreed upon by most Protestants, is actually a fiction. External traditions (like those of Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, etc.), are the basis for interpretation and understanding of Scripture, insofar as, these days especially, are used individually and under the direction of individual egos.

Fourth, the very idea of Protestantism makes the concept of general tenants accepted by all Protestants an impossibility, except for the concept of egocentrism as the core tenant of methodology in "determining the faith of the individual."

Posted by: Patrick at April 06, 2013 04:10 PM (LrlHu)

557 Oh, dearest Lord- (and all the Christians here do think he's dear, don't you? ) The Protestants and the Catholics at each other again. It is commendable that people care deeply about their traditions and Scripture but please, please lift up Jesus-the resurrected Lord still present in the Holy Spirit and coming again. Jesus prayed that we might all be one. It's the's devils work and delight that Christians are haggling over who's "correct" The devil wants us at each others throats We must stand for Jesus and for each other, for our brothers and sisters in Christ, "We must hang together" or as Benjamin Franklin "we will most assuredly hang separately. Secularism that wants no God but the state wants to tear us apart.

Peace be with you. Really

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 06, 2013 04:16 PM (bddKN)

558 O how near are we to each other when we are all united in God! How well do we converse when we have but a single will and a single thought in Him who is all things in us! Would you find your true friends, then? Seek them only in Him who is the single source of true and eternal friendship. Would you speak with or hear from them? Sink in silence into the bosom of Him who is the word, the life, and the soul of all those who speak and live the truth. You will find in Him not only every want supplied, but everything perfect, which you find so imperfect in the creatures in whom you confide.

Francois Fenelon

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 06, 2013 04:22 PM (bddKN)

559 FenelonSpoke - problem is, that we're talking about the Truth, not some small part of you that you, as an individual, have determined is "the most important part." There are martyrs and great Church Fathers throughout history who have not only defended the Faith against secular humanism but against corrupting heresies since the first century. In fact, the Epistles, themselves, aren't "instructions," but are *corrective missives* aimed at guiding the recipients, and all who heard them read aloud, to come back to the one Faith. The NT, itself, says there is one faith, one baptism, one body (meaning Body of Christ - the term for the Church often used in the NT). This isn't about "traditions" as we understand them in the legalistic, dualistic Western (non-Patrisitic) culture/worldview. This is about the fullness of Truth and the importance that we understand that we can't parcel out the fullness of Truth to fit our own personal predilections.

Posted by: Patrick at April 06, 2013 04:26 PM (LrlHu)

560 It is commendable that people care deeply about their traditions and
Scripture but please, please lift up Jesus-the resurrected Lord still
present in the Holy Spirit and coming again. Jesus prayed that we might
all be one. It's the devil's work and delight that Christians are
haggling over who's "correct" The devil wants us at each others throats
We must stand for Jesus and for each other, for our brothers and sisters
in Christ


------------------



Thank you, FenelonSpoke. And Amen.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2013 04:29 PM (P6QsQ)

561 Well, A Little Late but while for generations schools, particularly progressive, hippie, etc. schools, have fronted the image of students entering a cocoon as pupae and emerging as glorious colorful butterflies, the truth is rather closer to a giant spider wrapping the kids up in silk and then slowly sucking the life out of them.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at April 06, 2013 04:36 PM (bxiXv)

562 What "I" have determined? :^) The OT points to Jesus. The NT lifts him up as Lord. The Councils and the Protestant reformers all lifted up Jesus, the Christ the word made flesh. Jesus. That's whom I stand on. That's whom I believe in. Jesus is the fulness of truth.
These debates do not bring anyone closer to Christ IMO-and I have determined that after engaging in far too many ones of them myself in my "former" life. :^)They merely divide is and are of the flesh. Now, it's a shadow and I aim for Jesus the light.


Peace be with you.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 06, 2013 04:44 PM (bddKN)

563 FebekibSpoke - besides, I don't think that real love is shown by embracing an earnest seeker for God's heresy just because to do otherwise might offend them. The Truth (aka the Faith) is far more important than someone being offended, and to minimize or dilute or compromise the Faith for the sake of someone's personal feelings shows no love to that person or toward that person's soul, only contempt for the Faith and a willingness to change the Faith for the sake of individual will.

Posted by: Patrick at April 06, 2013 04:45 PM (LrlHu)

564 FenelonSpoke - but what does that mean, to "be for Jesus?" To "hold him up?" That's a lot of nice sounding words, but what does it mean? How is it lived? Is it merely a mental/"spritual"/emotional assent to a particular proposition? Is it as ontologically dualistic as the rest of the Western (non-Patristic) tradition?

It is also easy to dismiss disagreements as "arguments." But disagreeing, even arguing, when it is about Truth is more than just "dividing people." And defending the Faith from falsehoods is also not simply "arguing." If your position is correct, or one we should have, then the Faith is basically meaningless statements of no real import.

Not only that, but the Councils did FAR more than just "lift up Jesus." They, in a very limited way, helped delineate false versions of the Faith that called themselves Christian from the one, true, Apostolic Church, the pillar and ground of Truth.

So, the entire history of the Church argues against you, as does Scripture, and the very nature of the Faith, itself.

Posted by: Patrick at April 06, 2013 04:50 PM (LrlHu)

565 Patrick-It's not going to make for a hill of beans when Christians are imprisoned and hunted down. They won't care if someone is a Roman Catholic, a Baptist or a Lutheran. All they will care about is that we need to be annihilated It won't be Christians killing each other. It will be the state. I put out my hand to anybody who embraces Jesus as Lord because I have far, far more in commonality with them as a sister or brother in Christ than I do with people who lift up a faux Messiah.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 06, 2013 04:51 PM (bddKN)

566
Don't be surprised. Your neighbor could be the enemy in the end. It's really sad.

Posted by: michigan at April 06, 2013 09:46 PM (MtewB)

567 Someone's probably already pointed this out, but if memory serves, Colonel Joshua Chamberlain, Civil War hero, commander of the 20th Maine and famous defender of Little Round Top at Gettysburg, was a Professor of Rhetoric and--after the Civil War--President of Bowdoin College for many years.

Chamberlain was wounded 9 times during the course of the war. He ultimately died from complications from one of his wounds many decades later. He would be ashamed, I think, to see what has happened to his beloved college.

Posted by: troyriser at April 07, 2013 02:36 AM (ptcFO)

568 Fourth, the very idea of Protestantism makes the
concept of general tenants accepted by all Protestants an impossibility,
except for the concept of egocentrism as the core tenant of methodology
in "determining the faith of the individual."


Posted by: Patrick at April 06, 2013 04:10 PM (LrlHu)

Excuse me, but I just stumbled on this discussion. I take it you're a Catholic, Patrick? And I also take it that you're claiming Protestantism is founded on 'egocentrism'?

That's odd. You're the first Catholic I've encountered, either online or out here in the world, who has gone out of his way to antagonize Christians who are not part of your Church. I notice you singled out Protestants. Does your 'egocentric' theory also hold for Eastern Orthodox believers? Greek? Copts? Just wondering, since I don't recall any pronouncement by any Roman Pope in my lifetime claiming spiritual jurisdiction over their particular turf.
By the way, I'm glad your Church finally got that child rape thing under control, especially the part where highly placed leaders of your Church were actively covering up, you know, child rape on an epidemic scale.

Get the beam out of your own eye first, then talk to the rest of us.

Posted by: troyriser at April 07, 2013 03:00 AM (ptcFO)

569 Repeating what you are told is much easier than thinking.

Posted by: MarkD at April 07, 2013 09:15 AM (+xUiW)






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