ObamaCare Bait And Switch: Some Medicare Cuts Kill, Others Are Just Dandy

One of the debates during the ObamaCare fight and the recent campaign was the impact of Medicare cuts on recipients. ObamaCare supporters denied that the cuts would affect seniors since the cuts were on "providers" and not on "benefits".

The Washington Posts' healthcare writer Sarah Kliff last August.

The Medicare Advantage cut gets the most attention, but it only accounts for about a third of the Affordable Care Act’s spending reduction. Another big chunk comes from the hospitals. The health law changed how Medicare calculates what they get reimbursed for various services, slightly lowering their rates over time. Hospitals agreed to these cuts because they knew, at the same time, they would likely see an influx of paying patients with the Affordable Care Act’s insurance expansion.

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It’s worth noting that there’s one area these cuts don’t touch: Medicare benefits. The Affordable Care Act rolls back payment rates for hospitals and insurers. It does not, however, change the basket of benefits that patients have access to. And, as Ezra pointed out earlier today, the Ryan budget would keep these cuts in place.

(Emphasis mine)

See, cutting payments to providers doesn't affect benefits, apparently because providers will make it up in volume by seeing more loss leading patients or something

That sounds ridiculous to most people with any real world experience but that was the case ObamaCare supporters made. Now, if only there were a real world way to test who is right.

And thanks to the very same Sarah Kliff on the Post's website we do have a real world test case. Shockingly, the ObamaCare promises fall apart when faced with reality.

Cancer clinics across the country have begun turning away thousands of Medicare patients, blaming the sequester budget cuts.

Oncologists say the reduced funding, which took effect for Medicare on April 1, makes it impossible to administer expensive chemotherapy drugs while staying afloat financially.

Patients at these clinics would need to seek treatment elsewhere, such as at hospitals that might not have the capacity to accommodate them.

“If we treated the patients receiving the most expensive drugs, we’d be out of business in six months to a year,” said Jeff Vacirca, chief executive of North Shore Hematology Oncology Associates in New York. “The drugs we’re going to lose money on we’re not going to administer right now.”

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“If you get cut on the service side, you can either absorb it or make do with fewer nurses,” said Ted Okon, director of the Community Oncology Alliance, which advocates for hundreds of cancer clinics nationwide. “This is a drug that we’re purchasing. The costs don’t change and you can’t do without it. There isn’t really wiggle room.”

(Emphasis mine)

Wait what? Cutting payments for services leads to less...services? Economics...how does it work?

Of course Medicare recipients will have the same "benefits" as liberals always promise, they just won't have anywhere to redeem them.

Related; Ben Domenich has a back and forth with Ezra Klein over ObamaCare vs. Republican health plans with predictable results.

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:36 AM



Comments

1 Doom.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 10:36 AM (wbmaj)

2 I going for DiMaggio's hitting streak record. I don't think I'll get there.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 10:38 AM (wbmaj)

3 New thread leaves troll in wake...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 10:38 AM (aDwsi)

4 Obamacare and mass illegal immigration will dominate the 2014 political landscape.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 10:39 AM (wbmaj)

5 As an Advantage plan person..., I'm steamed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 10:40 AM (aDwsi)

6 4
Obamacare and mass illegal immigration will dominate the 2014 political landscape.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 10:39 AM
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Only here....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 10:40 AM (aDwsi)

7 Soooooo, cutting payments to healthcare providers under Obamacare won't affect patientaccess, but cutting payments to providers under sequester does. Logic, how does it fucking work?

Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 10:41 AM (D5hxK)

8 Link stomp

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 04, 2013 10:42 AM (+wxCD)

9 7
Soooooo, cutting payments to healthcare providers under Obamacare won't
affect patientaccess, but cutting payments to providers under sequester
does. Logic, how does it fucking work?

Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 10:41 AM
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Pretty well it seems ........, politically

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 10:42 AM (aDwsi)

10 Red Lobster ads?

Posted by: owlpellets at April 04, 2013 10:44 AM (dmEoV)

11 My doctor told me this morning he is opening a car wash and getting out of the medical profession. The car wash will be in Khartoum.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 10:44 AM (wbmaj)

12 Obama is a malignant liar and deceiver.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 10:45 AM (wbmaj)

13 People ask us, how do you make money?

The answer's simple. Volume.

Posted by: First Citywide Change Bank at April 04, 2013 10:46 AM (BrQrN)

14 OT/

I want to bludgeon my coworker. (please see signature link)

Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 10:46 AM (UypUQ)

15 A local hospital just shuttered its kidney transplant program because of this.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz Montoya at April 04, 2013 10:47 AM (gvJDD)

16
I'm sorry, but if this thing is going to work, some of you folks need to die.

Now, stop the whining and line up over by the oven.

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 10:48 AM (u2a4R)

17 Let me tell you, those Chemo drugs ARE expensive as hell.

Posted by: Vic at April 04, 2013 10:48 AM (53z96)

18 Of course this wasn't going to work. The political elite haven't the foggiest idea on how the real world works, let alone economics. Both parties are guilty but the Dems are the worst. They look at their models and theories and experiment with us morons and they screw us. They make sure their sorry pompus asses are covered. I remember as a child my grandfather saying on occassion he wished he was dead. As a 9 year old or so, I'm like WTF Gramps? But now as an older person seeing this great country going down the shitter, etc I can understand his feelings. At least for us there won't be any medicare, etc so death may come earlier.

Posted by: irishacres at April 04, 2013 10:48 AM (HVff2)

19 #14 I often daydream of bringing my chainsaw to work and scaring the piss out of my co-workers.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 10:48 AM (wbmaj)

20 Repeal the POS.

Posted by: Maj. T.J. 'King' Kong at April 04, 2013 10:49 AM (feFL6)

21 So Chebama decided that these clinic would be just fine with taking less money? Even though the media is doing their bestto minimize the impending disaster,Imagine the shock of the Obama voters when they realize their premiums are going to skyrocket and they are going to get less coverage and care. Reality is a bitch isn't it. Thanks Barry. Your plan to wreck everything and have government do a complete takeover is moving along just fine.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 04, 2013 10:49 AM (u0Z3Y)

22 19
#14 I often daydream of bringing my chainsaw to work and scaring the piss out of my co-workers.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 10:48 AM
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I hope yours cranks easier than mine...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 10:50 AM (aDwsi)

23 Does your chain saw have a high capacity clip? God I hope not, you'll end up fucking the rest of us legal chain saw owners.

Posted by: irishacres at April 04, 2013 10:51 AM (HVff2)

24 Only here....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 10:40 AM (aDwsi)

The empirical data are in: Obamacare is a total cluster****.

If the R's were smart they'd have a cakewalk. Beat them over the head the next two elections, then repeal it, replacing it with real free-market reform.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 10:52 AM (xAtAj)

25 Let me tell you, those Chemo drugs ARE expensive as hell.

But are they really, really expensive or just expensive here in the USA because of some pharma getting fat and happy?

Posted by: Regular Moron at April 04, 2013 10:52 AM (feFL6)

26
First off, F*** little ezra. Seriously. Ignore the little fool and the horse he rode in on.
Second, anyone thinking the GOP wishes to trash the entire O'bumf***healthcarethingy is whistling dixie. GOP leadership just wants their hands on the levers of power, not to dismantle that mechanism...

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 10:52 AM (lbiWb)

27 23
Does your chain saw have a high capacity clip? God I hope not, you'll end up fucking the rest of us legal chain saw owners.

Posted by: irishacres at April 04, 2013 10:51 AM
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I'm still concerned about confiscation of my glue gun and staple gun. Now that staple gun is definitely hi-cap, semi-auto..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 10:53 AM (aDwsi)

28 I think we need a "greatest hits" mashup thread. You know "Obama blames Female Marines inability to finish IOC on sequester, then mocks them." or something.

Posted by: Outlaw Gunsmith, as seen on AoS ONT! at April 04, 2013 10:53 AM (jvdNh)

29 Why da fuck do grown men still eat with their mouths open?

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 10:54 AM (NersQ)

30 #22 That's why I don't do it. I'd be there with my fucking goalie mask on and have to turn to my weed whacker as backup.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 10:54 AM (wbmaj)

31
And they have also decided to delay the govt exchanges until 2015 conveniently right after the next election.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 04, 2013 10:54 AM (IY7Ir)

32 >If the R's were smart they'd have a cakewalk. Beat them over the head the next two elections, then repeal it, replacing it with real free-market reform.



there's your problem- If the R's were smart

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 10:55 AM (8sCoq)

33
GOP leadership just wants their hands on the levers of power, not to dismantle that mechanism...

THIS!. That's why I want fiscal conservatism to take over the GOP.

Whether or not it's a hostile takeover, I don't really care.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 04, 2013 10:55 AM (+z4pE)

34 #28 Obama decries reduction in corpse men as a result of sequester. Also says states may have to be reduced from 57 to something more workable, like 12.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 10:55 AM (wbmaj)

35 29
Why da fuck do grown men still eat with their mouths open?

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 10:54 AM
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It's the ethanol...
Could worse though..., what if you had to fall back on the leaf blower?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 10:56 AM (aDwsi)

36 Wait what? Cutting payments for services leads to less...services? Economics...how does it work?


nice

heh.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 10:56 AM (XYSwB)

37 The R&D costs for new drugs are huge. That's why they're so expensive.

Posted by: Y-not iphone challenged at April 04, 2013 10:56 AM (5H6zj)

38

In other news, I finally took all my Christmas lights down today.

Yay.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 10:56 AM (XYSwB)

39 Oops....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 10:56 AM (aDwsi)

40 The sequester... is there anything you can't blame it for?

Posted by: Homer Simpson at April 04, 2013 10:56 AM (uvaJ1)

41 29 Why da fuck do grown men still eat with their mouths open?

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 10:54 AM (NersQ)

Chinese men do that. I think keeping your mouth closed is a Western thing.

I scold my in-laws to keep their mouths shut while chewing since they just became citizens recently

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 10:56 AM (xAtAj)

42 shortly after I became funemployed, my former employer offered to continue my health care coverage, for a fee

it was over $1100 a month

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 10:56 AM (8sCoq)

43
Today three LA hospitals announced eventual closure. Heckuva job, Barry.

Posted by: Thin End of Wedge at April 04, 2013 10:57 AM (wIgpo)

44 America is at the awkward , gawky stage: too late to save it and too early to open a gallows factory.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 04, 2013 10:57 AM (gvJDD)

45 30
#22 That's why I don't do it. I'd be there with my fucking goalie mask on and have to turn to my weed whacker as backup.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 10:54 AM
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It's the ethanol...
Could worse though..., what if you had to fall back on the leaf blower?


Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 10:56 AM

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 10:57 AM (aDwsi)

46 37 The R&D costs for new drugs are huge. That's why they're so expensive.

Posted by: Y-not iphone challenged at April 04, 2013 10:56 AM (5H6zj)

Not just that. But yes that's one huge reason.

Get rid of the FDA, watch drug prices become manageable.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 10:57 AM (xAtAj)

47 #37 At the end, I'd just be throwing handfulls of rubber mulch around and having to take sick leave because of the derisive laughter.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 10:57 AM (wbmaj)

48 DrewM,

VDH has an interesting take on ACA. Check the 5th paragraph.....

http://tinyurl.com/chz7fuk

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 04, 2013 10:58 AM (0zDXv)

49 And these arrogant, soulless pricks call us liars when we point out what a disaster ObamaCare is.

Posted by: Kensington at April 04, 2013 10:58 AM (uaEZS)

50 You also have to pay for the carterlized doctor and his insurance... and the insane hospital markup created by "health insurance" regime dictated to us via the federal govt...

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 10:58 AM (xAtAj)

51 Risk averse FDA is not helping these drugs becoming cheaper.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 10:59 AM (NersQ)

52 Why does any Republican or right wing individual speak with Ezra fucking Klein?

That fuck was a member of the propagandist listserv known as the Journolist, he fucking founded the god damn thing. This fuck deliberately spreads left wing propaganda. To act like he is a rational actor in any fucking sense is retarded. This fuck will lie and say anything to advance left wing politics.

Posted by: Mr. Pink aka a man without a political party at April 04, 2013 10:59 AM (++kZl)

53
"is there anything you can't blame it for?"
Er, Global Warming/Cooling/Extreme Weather/catchynameoftheday?

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 10:59 AM (lbiWb)

54 I may open some sort of fly by night medical clinic in my basement. Surgeries-$250; gynecological exams-free---that sort of thing.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 11:00 AM (wbmaj)

55
#52,
You properly expanded on what I posted, but hey, it's all good.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 11:00 AM (lbiWb)

56 Hey Mike Hammer, it's only a matter of time before glue guns, high capacity staplers, nail guns and chainsaws are done away with. Big Ears and his minions want us to become Amish without the religion.

Posted by: irishacres at April 04, 2013 11:00 AM (HVff2)

57 Obamacare will create 400 thousand jobs right away!

Obamacare will reduce your cost and the costs to government.

Obamacare will reduce the deficit.

All lies yes, but they got the bill passed thru Congress. Now all you fucks can pound sand. Do you think I care that those statements have been proven false when I knew they were false to begin with? Do you think I give a shit other than seeing Obamacare being the law of the land? Hahah you guys kill me.

Posted by: Ezra Klein at April 04, 2013 11:00 AM (++kZl)

58 I used to think I would probably die by 1) an accident, or 2) SIGSW

now I think I really do know how I'll die: by contracting some disease, for which the government refuses treatment on account of my age, which leads to my eventual death

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 11:01 AM (8sCoq)

59 #56 They'll have to pry my staple remover from my cold dead fingers.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 11:01 AM (wbmaj)

60 Slight variation: Gubmint: is there anything it can't fuck up?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 04, 2013 11:01 AM (+z4pE)

61 The sequester knocked up my sister.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 04, 2013 11:01 AM (gvJDD)

62 Please, sir, can I keep my doctor?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 11:02 AM (wbmaj)

63 One of the reasons is that this is intentional; SCOAMF is robbing Medicare to fund O-care... and blaming the sequester. Ridiculous on the face of it, unless you are a low-info voter.

Listen to Levin's show from last night, towards the end of hour 2 and all of hour 3. 3 different doctors call in and talk about the administrative nightmare that will destroy healthcare in the USA and wind up killing us all slowly.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:02 AM (tqLft)

64
"and the insane hospital markup created by "health insurance" regime dictated to us via the federal govt..."
...
This is exactly where I've been coming from on this since day one. Teh Won and company want to be like that mythical land, Uuuurope, where all is run by mandarins and people live little, happy lives.
Trouble is, those mandarins never understood that we underwrote that theme park, and now that we aren't, it's falling apart - yet all the while we're being led down that same path...

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 11:03 AM (lbiWb)

65 56
Hey Mike Hammer, it's only a matter of time before glue guns, high
capacity staplers, nail guns and chainsaws are done away with. Big Ears
and his minions want us to become Amish without the religion.

Posted by: irishacres at April 04, 2013 11:00 AM
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Ssssh..., sssh. Don't tip 'em off. Lately I've been eying my Ramset, wondering about altering for full-auto

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:03 AM (aDwsi)

66 "Why does any Republican or right wing individual speak with Ezra fucking Klein?"

Your bafflement is shared.

Treating Klein as though he's an actual professional journalist, instead of the hugely biased party-line hack and propagandist that he actually is, just ends up lending him an air of utterly unwarranted legitimacy.

There should be a standard response each and every time Klein comes up, and that response should be, "JournoList. End of story."

Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2013 11:03 AM (gqT4g)

67 Get rid of the FDA, watch drug prices become manageable.

It's part of the drug cost equation, sure, but the biggest part of the cost of drug testing is the cost to make a drug lawyer proof. Drug companies have to do extensive adverse effect tests, prove to the FDA that the side effects are minimal, then they get the seal of approval. Lawyers wait in the wings to make multi-billion settlements when some strange commingle of drugs makes Aunt Becky drop over dead then sues the bejesus out of the drug company. Tort reform is needed.

Posted by: Regular Moron at April 04, 2013 11:04 AM (feFL6)

68 I pray that no one posting in this forum is planning to complete the "Give us your Health Insurance Info" portion of next year's IRS forms. I believe if enough of the taxpaying population refuses the mandate, then that will quickly crash the system.

Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 11:04 AM (UypUQ)

69 #59, that can be arranged. We're from the governement and we're here to help you. At least that what the little brown shirts say.

Posted by: irishacres at April 04, 2013 11:04 AM (HVff2)

70 That was quicker than i had even thought possible.

Death Panels.

Nothing wrong with having the fickleness of govt in your healthcare.

Of course i guess now govt can demand clinics fund the expensive treatments out of pocket , so that they will go financial tits up in a few mths and everyone can now be left without treatment,

cause fair?

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:05 AM (nqBYe)

71 Oh the drones know all, see all.......

Posted by: irishacres at April 04, 2013 11:05 AM (HVff2)

72 The lying doctors are trying to blame the GOP for the cuts. It is ALL the Democrats fault, since it is Obamacare which is affecting Medicare, not the sequester...

Posted by: Baldy at April 04, 2013 11:06 AM (opS9C)

73 Don't they know that making a profit is immoral and stuff? Someone needs to beat that into those vulture cancer clinics.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at April 04, 2013 11:06 AM (8Bfzy)

74 you know what i enjoyed a few short years ago?

jobs with health bennies, and docs willing to see you in a reasonable time.

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:06 AM (nqBYe)

75 57 Hahah you guys kill me.
Posted by: Ezra Klein at April 04, 2013 11:00 AM (++kZl)


It may very well one day come to that, old boy. Inshallah.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:06 AM (tqLft)

76 Let me tell you, those Chemo drugs ARE expensive as hell.


Posted by: Vic at April 04, 2013 10:48 AM (53z96)

Smart as I am, and studied on this thing I still can't even get a handle on the solving of that one.Chemo is expensive, always will be (unless there's suddenly some explosion of cancer that allows mass production of drugs on a scale order of magnitudes higher than it is now.)Problem is of course even if we tinker with the system you still won't get anything intelligent out of it. Take your average HDHP, it's going to have a deductible of somewhere between 5k and 10k (a few 2.5ks are classified as that, but for now let's stick with the 5k option.).So you get cancer, every freaking year you're going to have to shell out 5k to satisfy your deductible. I think this scares a lot of people. (And some people start on a HDHP then jump ship if they get actually sick.)Even if you plan really well, I think having 10-15k in a HSA is possible but rare, meaning you'd drain it in 3 years max.So risk averse people stick to the soup to nuts insurance plans (and who can blame them.)We need something more comprehensive with life time out of pock maximum values that trigger in case of truly catastrophic illness, but nothing even approaches that. (We also need a culture change that says "yeah, at 75, you don't need a 90k prostate cancer treatment that extends your life by 2-3 months.)Or to put it in Catholic terms (which I know best) we need to restore the language of "proportionate" and "disproportionate" care. (this decision is situated on the individual.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:06 AM (cdwHs)

77 Drug companies have to do extensive adverse effect tests, prove to the FDA that the side effects are minimal, then they get the seal of approval. Lawyers wait in the wings to make multi-billion settlements when some strange commingle of drugs makes Aunt Becky drop over dead then sues the bejesus out of the drug company. Tort reform is needed.

Posted by: Regular Moron at April 04, 2013 11:04 AM (feFL6)

That's another artifact of govt.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 11:06 AM (xAtAj)

78 I eagerly await the day when Obamacare informs me that my disease modifying drug for multiple sclerosis is not cost efficient. I suspect it will state DIE ALREADY and be signed by members of an esteemed blue ribbon commission .


Posted by: mpfs, exhausted assault fishstick at April 04, 2013 11:07 AM (iYbLN)

79
Tort reform will never happen.
Sorry.
We got a limit on punative in MO, then the state judiciary got it overturned.
Judiciary made up of legislative made up of lawyers.
Sorry.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at April 04, 2013 11:07 AM (Sptt8)

80 If you like your life, you can keep your life.


Just fuckin with ya.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 04, 2013 11:07 AM (gvJDD)

81 "Imagine the shock of the Obama voters when they realize their premiums
are going to skyrocket and they are going to get less coverage and care."

Except that the typical O-bot is too dumb to connect the dots.

Look at Donna Brazile's recent bafflement.

"Huh? My health insurance rates suddenly went way up. Wha' hoppen?"

Of course, what happened was Obamacare.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2013 11:07 AM (gqT4g)

82 I eagerly await the day when Obamacare informs me that my disease
modifying drug for multiple sclerosis is not cost efficient. I suspect
it will state DIE ALREADY and be signed by members of an esteemed blue
ribbon commission.


Your only value is in your ability to serve the state.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at April 04, 2013 11:08 AM (8Bfzy)

83 soo didn't we already know Obama was going to short funds of Medicare to roll that money into Obamacare?

where's the care?

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:08 AM (nqBYe)

84 Smart as I am, and studied on this thing I still
can't even get a handle on the solving of that one.Chemo is expensive,
always will be (unless there's suddenly some explosion of cancer that
allows mass production of drugs on a scale order of magnitudes higher
than it is now.)Problem is of course

.....




Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:06 AM (cdwHs)

3D drug printers??

Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 11:09 AM (UypUQ)

85 damn it, it was already mentioned in the post.

nevermind.

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:09 AM (nqBYe)

86 When all my pals on the Journo list were actively discussing killing the Rev Wright story during the 2008 campaign and discussing calling any Republican a racist they could, I got a good laugh and didn't have any problem with it.

Do you fuckstains really think I care about your opinions? Hahaha you guys are like abused spouses that keep thinking their husband didnt mean to hit them. I meant to lie, and I will continue to do so. Fucking idiots. My fucking goal is to spread lies, to tell Democrat voters lies like "Obamacare will reduce your insurance costs", so it helps pass bills or advance left wing politics.

Guess what's next, "immigration reform will help the middle class and reduce the defict by getting illegal immigrants on the tax rolls and out of the shadows". I know its a lie, you know its a lie, but if I can convince low information voters and Democrats to believe that and repeat it....DO YOU THINK I FUCKING CARE?

Posted by: Ezra Klein at April 04, 2013 11:10 AM (++kZl)

87 You think a drug company having no idea if $100 million in R&D will pay off or not doesn't make other drugs more expensive?

Of course it does.

If companies could get products to market in a reasonable time-frame we'd be in much better shape.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 11:10 AM (xAtAj)

88 Tort reform will never happen.

It happened in Texas under some Governor whose name you may recognize. Suddenly a number of Drs in my area packed up and moved to Texas.

All of a sudden they didn't have to pay 200k a year for malpractice insurance and they could have a life.

Posted by: Regular Moron at April 04, 2013 11:11 AM (feFL6)

89 As a physician, I think it is important that we maintain some modicum of professional composure when we discuss Obamacare. I think we should use the proper name for the legislation, and by doing so maintain the high ground in the ongoing discussion about our great nation's healthcare needs.

For example it sounds better to say:


The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) of 2010 is a giant turd sandwich!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 04, 2013 11:11 AM (pxDth)

90 Regular Moron: "But are they really, really expensive or just expensive here in the USA because of some pharma getting fat and happy?"

Good question. I'm guessing a little of both but mostly just the actual expense of R and D and manufacture is the biggest cost. I know that my cocktail wasn't made until I was sitting in the clinic chair waiting for actual administration. The clinic was desperate to not waste a single drop. Each treatment was several thousands of dollars just for the meds. It was quite eye-opening, and my particular mix had been settled science for many years. IOW it wasn't a novel a therapy and was quite basic and routine as far as chemo goes.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 04, 2013 11:11 AM (eHIJJ)

91
Drug companies have to do extensive adverse effect tests, prove to the
FDA that the side effects are minimal, then they get the seal of
approval. Lawyers wait in the wings to make multi-billion settlements
when some strange commingle of drugs makes Aunt Becky drop over dead
then sues the bejesus out of the drug company. Tort reform is needed.



Posted by: Regular Moron at April 04, 2013 11:04 AM (feFL6)



That's another artifact of govt.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 11:06 AM (xAtAj)

The flipside though is the American consumer is an idiot. Get rid of the FDA and see the market flooded with moronic shit that doesn't do anything (but patients want). See Also: "Anti-neoplastons" which Burzynski managed to sideskirt the FDA on and pockets thousands selling to desperate cancer patients.Reform the FDA is a better option I think, especially with regards to generic drugs.Also there's the weird issue of who gets sued when something goes wrong. There's a case moving through the courts right now where a generic drug manufacturer is being sued because the drug had side effects which weren't discovered until after the generic went on the market. The side effects are the result of the generic, but that's what everyone was taking at that point.So who gets sued? The generic maker who did everything they were required to do (remember, generics aren't tested for new side effects, just that they mimic the uptake of the name brand) or the name brand company that failed to disclose test results properly? Or no one?

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:11 AM (cdwHs)

92 this is so exciting!

we get to see innovation/ and a great health care system go backwards! first hand .

not.



oh and bush.

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:11 AM (nqBYe)

93 76
Let me tell you, those Chemo drugs ARE expensive as hell.




Posted by: Vic at April 04, 2013 10:48 AM (53z96)
Smart as I
am, and studied on this thing I still can't even get a handle on the
solving of that one.Chemo is expensive, always will be (unless there's
suddenly some explosion of cancer that allows mass production of drugs
on a scale order of magnitudes higher than it is now.)Problem is of
course even if we tinker with the system you still won't get anything
intelligent out of it. Take your average HDHP, it's going to have a
deductible of somewhere between 5k and 10k (a few 2.5ks are classified
as that, but for now let's stick with the 5k option.).So you get cancer,
every freaking year you're going to have to shell out 5k to satisfy
your deductible. I think this scares a lot of people. (And some people
start on a HDHP then jump ship if they get actually sick.)Even if you
plan really well, I think having 10-15k in a HSA is possible but rare,
meaning you'd drain it in 3 years max.So risk averse people stick to the
soup to nuts insurance plans (and who can blame them.)We need something
more comprehensive with life time out of pock maximum values that
trigger in case of truly catastrophic illness, but nothing even
approaches that. (We also need a culture change that says "yeah, at 75,
you don't need a 90k prostate cancer treatment that extends your life by
2-3 months.)Or to put it in Catholic terms (which I know best) we need
to restore the language of "proportionate" and "disproportionate" care.
(this decision is situated on the individual.)




Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:06 AM
=======================

I do not disagree, but long term contribution to an HSA could easily eclipse that 15K number, and HSA's are (right now) tied to catastrophic conventional coverage that takes over when (if) the HSA is drained..., no?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:11 AM (aDwsi)

94 What, doctors won't surrender their incomes and work for free to make sure patients get the treatment they need?

Greedy bastards!

Posted by: Dr Data at April 04, 2013 11:12 AM (f+fIu)

95 Health care is a collection of products and services.

None of it should be collectivized. Get the governments out of it and let the Market produce good solutions.

Spending $90000 to extend your life for a few months is your business and no one else's.

Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 11:13 AM (bP2re)

96 3D drug printers??


Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 11:09 AM (UypUQ)

they'd have to be at a molecular levelEvery cancer is treated differently, every Chemo has a different mechanism of action. Some are antibody tagged some are purely chemical.
MAYBE nanobots will save us, but that's what 20 years off at the earliest? (And that's being optimistic.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:13 AM (cdwHs)

97 so is this how we save 3000%?

every child matters.

every woman matters.


because They care about me.



Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:13 AM (nqBYe)

98 Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:11 AM (cdwHs)

Free people are free to do dumb shit like buy colon cleansers, organic food, life crystals.

Free people should be able to try experimental anti-cancer drugs, especially if they are terminal.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 11:13 AM (xAtAj)

99 HoboJerky,

Tell me about it. It takes a decade or more for a drug to come to market. I was slated to begin Tysabri infusion once a month for MS treatment the day the FDA pulled the drug from the market. I was pissed. All that money on R and D and poof! Gone. If I know the potential consequences of the treatment and sign a waiver then let me have the drug. Tysabri now has a black box warning and you have to jump through thousands of hoops to get it. God, I hate these people.

Posted by: mpfs, exhausted assault fishstick at April 04, 2013 11:14 AM (iYbLN)

100 The first problem with Healthcare is that it now considered an inalienable right. If that is the baseline, we will be forever screwed.

Posted by: polynikes at April 04, 2013 11:14 AM (m2CN7)

101 "The flipside though is the American consumer is an idiot. Get rid of the
FDA and see the market flooded with moronic shit that doesn't do
anything (but patients want)."

So without the FDA, idiots will be more likely to die, and smart people will be more likely to live.

I'm working hard to try to find downside in this. Help me out.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2013 11:14 AM (gqT4g)

102 The FDA could work better but I am not for eliminating it. Watch any history show about quack medicines, or look around at the shit coming out of China or the charlatans peddling fake cures, then tell me we don't need it.

Posted by: Y-not iphone challenged at April 04, 2013 11:15 AM (5H6zj)

103 What, doctors won't surrender their incomes and work for free to make sure patients get the treatment they need?

Greedy bastards!


Posted by: Dr Data at April 04, 2013 11:12 AM (f+fIu)

why sure, Docs, nurses, assistants, electricity , buildings are also all freee.
it's amazing!

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:15 AM (nqBYe)

104 Bill Ayers (Obama's political godfather and ghostwriter) stated that 2.5 million Americans would have to be 'eliminated' in order to implement his view of liberal utopia.

We've been assuming that elimination would be direct violence instead of inaction and indirect disdain...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 11:15 AM (fwARV)

105 94 What, doctors won't surrender their incomes and work for free to make sure patients get the treatment they need?Greedy bastards!
Posted by: Dr Data at April 04, 2013 11:12 AM (f+fIu)

********

Oh, wait a second. I didn't know that was even an option. Where do I sign up?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 04, 2013 11:15 AM (pxDth)

106 "I do not believe in cancer cures for old people. Where's my bracket now?" Stated the jug-eared fop.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at April 04, 2013 11:16 AM (baL2B)

107
And yet, even with OCare not being fully implemented, the negative effects are already here.

And not one Pubbie dares to talk about it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 04, 2013 11:16 AM (+z4pE)

108 Obamacare has never been about healthcare. Any sick people made well as the result of Obamacare is purely incidental happenstance. Obamacare was designed to serve as a transitional step, a temporary placeholder untilthe time was right for implementation of a single-payer system similar to Great Britain's NHS. That Obamacare was slapped together willy-nilly seemingly at the last moment before its passage should've been the first clue. In fact, from a 'progressive' perspective, it's better that Obamacare is rife with bureaucratic complexity, unworkable exchanges, andunintelligible directives.Such failings furnish an argument to take it all the way.

Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 11:16 AM (vtiE6)

109 102 The FDA could work better but I am not for eliminating it. Watch any history show about quack medicines, or look around at the shit coming out of China or the charlatans peddling fake cures, then tell me we don't need it.

Posted by: Y-not iphone challenged at April 04, 2013 11:15 AM (5H6zj)

We don't need it. That was easy!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 11:16 AM (xAtAj)

110 Your life? You didn't build that.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 04, 2013 11:16 AM (gvJDD)

111 Back and forth with Ezra Klein, a fundamentally stupid person. That should educate people.

Posted by: ejo at April 04, 2013 11:16 AM (GXvSO)

112 You don't think people aren't already shelling out money for quack medicine?

You wanna call Steve Jobs and ask him why he died?

FDA kills more than it saves, that's almost a certainty.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 11:17 AM (xAtAj)

113 Anyone who has ever worked in Health Care knows and knew there is no such thing as free lunch. They said the same thing to sell HMOs also and it was not true then and it is not true now. Less Money + more patients = shitty and rationed and sloppy health care.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 11:17 AM (9Bj8R)

114
Bill Ayers (Obama's political godfather and ghostwriter) stated that 2.5 million Americans would have to be 'eliminated' in order to implement his view of liberal utopia.

We've been assuming that elimination would be direct violence instead of inaction and indirect disdain...


Not to fuss too much, but I think your 2.5M figure is somewhat low.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 04, 2013 11:17 AM (+z4pE)

115 How can this be Obama's fault? It's not him denying cancer treatment. Its those evil doctors. You know they'd go apeshit when they couldn't rip kids tonsils out anymore. Payback from the h8trs.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at April 04, 2013 11:18 AM (qwK3S)

116 Oh, wait a second. I didn't know that was even an option. Where do I sign up?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 04, 2013 11:15 AM (pxDth)

You don't have to. Look you can just hand over your income, and not pay your lease, or you assistants, or you billing clerk, or you light bill, or Your insurance premium.
see more money for the greater good.
i hope you don't have anyone at home depending on groceries or a roof over their head.

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:18 AM (nqBYe)

117 I do not disagree, but long term contribution to an
HSA could easily eclipse that 15K number, and HSA's are (right now) tied
to catastrophic conventional coverage that takes over when (if) the HSA
is drained..., no?


Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:11 AM (aDwsi)

The one's I'm looking at switching too don't have that option, the deductible resets every year as far as I can tell.And they get really complicated in other areas. If my wife and I switch to it, and decide to have a kid in the next year or so, we'll drain any reasonable contribution on that event alone. So what's our incentive to switch? HDHP costs $200/month puts $1200 per year in a HSA. Comprehensive plan costs $350/month. Even if we put the extra $150/month into the HSA we'll only have 3k at the end of the year, which pretty much gets drained on Labor and Delivery if my math is accurate. So then we have to start all over, and hopefully start being able to get ahead next year.So the system is rigged against new models of insurance.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:19 AM (cdwHs)

118 19
#14 I often daydream of bringing my chainsaw to work and scaring the piss out of my co-workers.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 04, 2013 10:48 AM (wbmaj)

In my former life I worked at a US branch of an Australian bank. They downsized in the early '90's in stages. On the day some of the corporate people were let go we had a guy do just that....brought a chainsaw to work.

Yeah, he was escorted from the building by security.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 11:19 AM (X6akg)

119 oh and Thanks Roberts!

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:19 AM (nqBYe)

120 There's no shortage of patients. These people are nuts.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at April 04, 2013 11:20 AM (TE8aX)

121 Not to fuss too much, but I think your 2.5M figure is somewhat low.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 04, 2013 11:17 AM (+z4pE)


Oh I think it's low too. It's just what Ayers said. If they really make a push, the body count will be much higher.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 11:20 AM (fwARV)

122 114 Not to fuss too much, but I think your 2.5M figure is somewhat low.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 04, 2013 11:17 AM (+z4pE)


Move the decimal point one place to the right. He in fact stated 25 million would have to be liquidated. David Horowitz's Front Page Mag website has the details somewhere.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:20 AM (tqLft)

123
Why fight this Obamacare thing when it may work out better in the long run?

The logical progression of this type of policy will leave us with a healthcare system similar to Argentina.

There will be a totally free, birth to death system for the masses in one tier.

The second tier will be clinics that treat members of unions or trade associations, set up and run by those organizations for the benefit of their members.

The rich will have something like the Swiss Medical Clinics that serve those with money.

People who use the free government run system won't receive the very best in care, but that's because no government can afford to give every person the ultimate in healthcare. Those in the middle will get better care, but only to the limits their union or association set, then you're back to the government system.

As always, the rich will get whatever they want. As it should be.

Why not justembrace what is the natural order of things?

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 11:21 AM (u2a4R)

124 It was 25 million.. And it works both ways.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 04, 2013 11:21 AM (gvJDD)

125 You know what should Alos have been written in that Bill?

every single lawmaker, congressperson, judge, fed employee state employee and union member have to also Use it, with No alternatives for being a special person.

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:21 AM (nqBYe)

126 Curse You, Large Hadron Collider, for throwing us into an alternate universe when people think the rules of cause and effect are nullified.

3 comes after 2, not before!!!

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 04, 2013 11:21 AM (QupBk)

127 89 The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) of 2010 is a giant turd sandwich!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at April 04, 2013 11:11 AM (pxDth)

It's Auschwitz minus the gas chambers.

At least for the first few years...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:22 AM (tqLft)

128 If I was Queen the first thing I would do is ban the annoying never ending lawyer commercials on television. Do you have a vaginal mesh sling? Sue! Do you have hot dog fingers? Sue! Did you take Tylenol any time in your life? Sue! Sue!

Then dump the commercials from drug companies. Way too many people think they are doctors now and self-diagnose themselves and demand prescriptions from their physician.

Close down the FDA and streamline drug approval.

My husband went to our GP yesterday and informed him that we are leaving California for good. He was stunned. He told my husband that he has lost a lot of patients because they are fleeing the state. Quelle suprize!


Posted by: mpfs, exhausted assault fishstick at April 04, 2013 11:22 AM (iYbLN)

129 Watch any history show about quack medicines, or look around at the shit coming out of China or the charlatans peddling fake cures, then tell me we don't need it.

Not disagreeing with you but walk into any GNC, and look at all the unregulated shit that is on the shelves. Some of that stuff in the mens section is like steroids for prostate cancer. But they get away with selling it. And dumb men buy it thinking they'll lose their gut, or get a hard-on at will.

Posted by: Regular Moron at April 04, 2013 11:22 AM (feFL6)

130 Tell me again why it is sleeting in CLT on April 4th?

Global warming?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at April 04, 2013 11:22 AM (wR+pz)

131 I saw Asa Hutchinson for a minute or two on Lawrence O'Donnel's show (you know Lawrence, the tough street fighter from Boston who grew up on the mean streets). Why would someone from the NRA go on a show like that-you won't be allowed to talk and you know the host is a turd and a liar. Why go on a show and sit there with a tight smile while the guy pisses on you? Same with a "debate" with that pissant liar who started journolist. Why not simply say "Ezra, you have zero credibility and knowledge. You founded a secret site where you and other journalists would get together and coordinate the lies you would tell. I would sooner debate a pile of crap than you"?

Posted by: ejo at April 04, 2013 11:23 AM (GXvSO)

132 Health care is a collection of products and services.



None of it should be collectivized. Get the governments out of it and let the Market produce good solutions.



Spending $90000 to extend your life for a few months is your business and no one else's.

Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 11:13 AM (bP2re)

If you're paying this out of your own pocket I don't disagree.But if you're dipping into the voluntarily pooled fun called insurance, that's not really the case is it?Like I said we need a culture change. It's going to have to be centered on the individual though. I've seen people willingly bankrupt their family to extend their life a few months. Shouldn't they have considered their family's future in that choice before they made it?As long as the "payer" is some anonymous 3rd party entity (or goverment) though we can't even begin to have this discussion because the answer will always come back "you're entitled to it!"

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:23 AM (cdwHs)

133 Once all those shells are fired, the magazine will be empty, so soon they will all disappear.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at April 04, 2013 11:24 AM (wR+pz)

134 Watch any history show about quack medicines, or look around at the shit coming out of China or the charlatans peddling fake cures, then tell me we don't need it.

Think of it as evolution in action. And we're long overdue for a culling of the catastrophically stupid.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at April 04, 2013 11:25 AM (fMiHM)

135 I'm going to dust off another prediction I made during the non-hearings in the run up to passing that disaster - there will be legislation passed making it illegal to refuse to accept Medicare patients and Medicare rate of reimbursements and then there will be 13th Amendment challenges to that and then it will get insanely ugly. I mean, even more so than now.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 11:25 AM (VtjlW)

136 So the system is rigged against new models of insurance.


Posted by: tsrblke
..........
Kinda. It is designed to move more of the costs to the employee. Which is exactly what you are finding.

HSA's and HD plans are really nice if you can have a year or two without needing services.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 04, 2013 11:25 AM (f9c2L)

137 And when Ayers said 25 million there were a 100 million less people in the US.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 04, 2013 11:26 AM (81UWZ)

138 What, doctors won't surrender their incomes and work for free to make sure patients get the treatment they need?

The Obama donors in the electronic medical records industry sure as fuck won't.

Posted by: HeatherRadishâ„¢ needs a beer at April 04, 2013 11:26 AM (/kI1Q)

139 depressing.

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:26 AM (nqBYe)

140 126
Curse You, Large Hadron Collider, for throwing us into an alternate
universe when people think the rules of cause and effect are nullified.

3 comes after 2, not before!!!


Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 04, 2013 11:21 AM
============

... and 'jobs' is a three letter word.
I told them not to tinker with that Higgs Boson thingie...., did they listen to me? Nooooo....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:26 AM (aDwsi)

141 *Heather* morning dear.

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:26 AM (nqBYe)

142 What #16 jwest said. Only amend "some" to "most" and there you have it. In the meanwhile, congress members will continue to get any and all treatment needed at the taxpayers expense.

Posted by: mikeyslaw at April 04, 2013 11:26 AM (lyPWx)

143 http://tinyurl.com/cry4u85


Denninger explains the how we're fucked on medical care and why government interference in the free market created this mess.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at April 04, 2013 11:27 AM (rXcBX)

144
"Tell me again why it is sleeting in CLT on April 4th?

Global warming?"

Asked and answered, peasant. Now send me money so I can save you from further scary weather. Or else.

Posted by: Al Gore at April 04, 2013 11:27 AM (4I3Uo)

145 136


HSA's and HD plans are really nice if you can have a year or two without needing services.




Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 04, 2013 11:25 AM
==========

And you max it out starting at a young age.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:27 AM (aDwsi)

146 mpfs, exhausted assault fishstick: "He told my husband that he has lost a lot of patients because they are fleeing the state."

And how many of them are bringing California to, say, Colorado and every peripheral state? Liberalism is a diseased swarm of locusts. Such is the downside of mobility between the states: bad neighbors mooch all your food and drink and then bitch about your provisions.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 04, 2013 11:27 AM (eHIJJ)

147 Over the past few years, virtually all practitioners in my semi-rural
area have capitulated to become employees of the local hospital or large
corporations. The private practice of medicine is now all but
obsolete.

An oncologist, I used to own a small chain of private-practice clinics. Because I anticipated this fiasco, I sold out to a big corporation just before ObummerCare went through.

For 2013, CMS (Medicare) initially announced a breathtaking 19% overall cut in reimbursement to freestanding radiation oncology centers. After some lobbying, that was reduced to "only" 9% for this year, but with further cuts to come. Certainly, the equipment/service vendors, expert staff, mortgage lenders, and insurance companies (employee health, malpractice, business liability) did not volunteer to match those cuts....

There probably will be little change in overall payouts by Medicare, though, because those big corporations are far more efficient and ruthless in coding (charging) than individual practioners ever were. The much-ballyhooed use of electronic medical records (EMR) produces computer-generated drivel which is ripe with opportunities for additional charges, but frustrating for clinicians trying extract actual new/useful information.


Posted by: Molon Labe at April 04, 2013 11:27 AM (BdoSp)

148 waiting for the first cancer victim to die.

from cancer and lack of care.

don't they have a name for this in the UK

like pathways to something?

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:28 AM (nqBYe)

149 How do HSAs work in a scenario where we replace the income tax with a national sales tax?

Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 11:28 AM (UypUQ)

150 King Obama wants to spend all this money on a brain mapping initiative.

What's the point? Over 50 percent of the electorate have empty brain pans.

Posted by: mpfs, exhausted assault fishstick at April 04, 2013 11:28 AM (iYbLN)

151 Cancer clinics across the country have begun turning away thousands of Medicare patients, blaming the sequester budget cuts.

Never saw that coming....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 04, 2013 11:28 AM (OcjDm)

152 "I don't think this would violate the Fourth Amendment. Anyone who buys a gun could be forced to waive his Fourth Amendment right."


**bangs head**

From an intellectual powerhouse on thehill.com suggesting that .gov randomly search gun owners homes.

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 11:29 AM (fWAjv)

153 148
waiting for the first cancer victim to die.

from cancer and lack of care.

don't they have a name for this in the UK

like pathways to something?


Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:28 AM (nqBYe)

Pathway to former-citizenship ??

Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 11:30 AM (UypUQ)

154 Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:06 AM (cdwHs)


I had 10K in medical expenses (my costs only) this tax year and last. The Catestrophic coverage requires you to pay the first 5K up front then the insurance pays all after that. That is still cheaper for me.


Of course I understand that is going away next year.

Posted by: Vic at April 04, 2013 11:30 AM (53z96)

155 The Obama donors in the electronic medical records industry sure as fuck won't.

No shit. We were forced to drop our entirely serviceable in-house written EMR and go with a Democrat donor's system under the threat of losing millions in Medicare reimbursements. And the joke is, we were all just informed that we needed to tighten our departmental budgets because we are going to get nicked for $10M this fiscal year anyway.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 04, 2013 11:30 AM (QupBk)

156 147 Posted by: Molon Labe at April 04, 2013 11:27 AM (BdoSp)


This is a feature; not a bug. Once doctors are employees of hospitals, they become defacto employees of the government and are therefore forbidden from going against the latter's policy's and guidelines lest they be penalized or dismissed. The doctor/patient relationship is extinct.

This shit is utterly and completely insidious. But we knew that already.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:30 AM (tqLft)

157 With the way things are going dying earlier may be a feature not a bug at least for me.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 04, 2013 11:31 AM (81UWZ)

158 150
King Obama wants to spend all this money on a brain mapping initiative.

What's the point? Over 50 percent of the electorate have empty brain pans.


Posted by: mpfs, exhausted assault fishstick at April 04, 2013 11:28 AM
==================

Have you seen the Homer Simpson head x-ray?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:31 AM (aDwsi)

159 Once you have accepted that 1+1=POTATO, the math becomes simple and it all works..

Posted by: jukin at April 04, 2013 11:31 AM (WGm5T)

160 ejo: "You founded a secret site where you and other
journalists would get together and coordinate the lies you would tell. I
would sooner debate a pile of crap than you"?


That's what made Alex Jones' rhetorical assault on Piers Morgan a couple months ago so edifying whether you like Jones or not. He came loaded for bear and ambushed the ambusher. He pretty much did what you described.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 04, 2013 11:32 AM (eHIJJ)

161 148 waiting for the first cancer victim to die. from cancer and lack of care. don't they have a name for this in the UK like pathways to something?

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:28 AM (nqBYe)


Stairway to heaven...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:32 AM (tqLft)

162
Once you have accepted that 1+1=POTATO, the math becomes simple and it all works..

Sorta like Calvinball, then.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 04, 2013 11:33 AM (+z4pE)

163 don't they have a name for this in the UK like pathways to something?

Posted by: willow

Stairway to heaven...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton


Highway to Hell?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at April 04, 2013 11:33 AM (fMiHM)

164 Brilliant plan of President Dumbass to make a successful attack by North Korea on Washington more acceptable to Americans.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 04, 2013 11:34 AM (AC0lD)

165 It doesn't take a genius to know that a business receiving less money for their services is going to cut those services. If the cost to McDonald's to make cheeseburgers suddenly outstrips the money they receive in exchange for those cheeseburgers, guess what - they're going to jack up the price OR decrease the number of cheeseburgers that get made until the balance sheets even out.

Well, doctors can jack up the price all they want (not that they want to), and the gubmint is still going to pay them the same pittance per service when it comes to Medicare or Medicaid. So what do they do? They decrease the services available to those patients.

HOLY SHIT IT'S LIKE MEDICINE IS A BUSINESS OR SOMETHING.

People -- and by "people" I mean mouthbreathing leftards -- seem to think that being a doctor or a nurse or a surgeon should be akin to being a monk. Once you don the scrubs you should live a life of humble poverty devoted to doing good works. There should be no desire for monetary gain; your fulfilment should come from ministering to the sick and infirm.

They're all too happy to forget that
A) Medical training costs mucho dinero, and those loans have to be paid back
B) Medical equipment needs upkeep, updating and replacing
C) Medicines can't be reused - they have to be bought repeatedly
D) Medical staff AND administrative staff have to get paid

That these are such hard concepts to grasp tells me that the world -- not just our country, THE WORLD -- are populated by some of the stupidest human beings ever to walk the Earth.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:34 AM (4df7R)

166 162

Once you have accepted that 1+1=POTATO, the math becomes simple and it all works..

Sorta like Calvinball, then.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 04, 2013 11:33 AM
==========

Orwell could not have made this shit up

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:34 AM (aDwsi)

167 Stairway to heaven...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:32 AM (tqLft)

perhaps the govt will chip in for a cheap cd and player,
for our final moments.
because compassion or something.

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:34 AM (nqBYe)

168 145 Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:27 AM (aDwsi)


I thought O-care abolished HSA's? Dr. Carson had a great idea at the prayer breakfast, vis a vis HSA's. Start off when you are born and whatever is left over at the end of your life is passed on to your family. SCOAMF about melted when he heard that.

I really like Dr. Carson. If only he made pizza...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:34 AM (tqLft)

169 waiting for the first cancer victim to die.

from cancer and lack of care.

don't they have a name for this in the UK

like pathways to something?


Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:28 AM (nqBYe)

You must be mistaken....why I saw nurses dances around hospital beds and singing glorious songs about the NHS in the UK. They all seemed so happy....even the patients.

/s

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 11:34 AM (X6akg)

170 133 Once all those shells are fired, the magazine will be empty, so soon they will all disappear.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at April 04, 2013 11:24 AM (wR+pz)



Arrgh, and I just got rid of the headache from yesterday...

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 04, 2013 11:34 AM (OcjDm)

171 Calvinball! Yes!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:34 AM (aDwsi)

172 HSAs only make sense if you have a lot of expenses or if you are real young and have no expenses. But the point is moot now because they are going away next year because of Obamacare.

Posted by: Vic at April 04, 2013 11:35 AM (53z96)

173 167 perhaps the govt will chip in for a cheap cd and player,
for our final moments.
because compassion or something.
Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:34 AM (nqBYe)


"Soylent Green" when Edward G. Robinson checks in (but doesn't check out)...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:35 AM (tqLft)

174 "I don't think this would violate the Fourth Amendment. Anyone who buys a gun could be forced to waive his Fourth Amendment right."

That is some prizewinning STUPID right there.

"Oh, sure, I'll just go ahead and waive my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, since I'm choosing to exercise another CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. Sure, no problem."

What a fucking retard. And I don't like calling people retards, but this guy (or chick) -- fucking RETARD!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:35 AM (4df7R)

175 I am vaguely reminded of the game show on Friends... Bamboozle

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:36 AM (aDwsi)

176 And if you have a flexible spending account to cover out of pocket medical expenses kiss that goodbye.

Bastards.

Posted by: mpfs, exhausted assault fishstick at April 04, 2013 11:36 AM (iYbLN)

177 A Directive 10-289 is coming on drug patents. Bank on it.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 04, 2013 11:36 AM (QupBk)

178 174 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:35 AM (4df7R)

Did someone here post that or was that Schumer or some other waste of protoplasm?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:36 AM (tqLft)

179

Funny. Drudge had this up yesterday, as a standard link.

Now, he headlined it.

I guess he tested the waters.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 11:36 AM (XYSwB)

180 So here's the executive summary.

Obama and his family aren't part of Obamacare. They're covered by their own different and superior plan.

Senators and Representatives aren't part of Obamacare either. They too are covered by their own different and superior plan.

Big Labor aren't part of Obamacare. They are, you guessed it, covered by their own different and superior plans.

And here's what the national GOP has done to publicize this:

(crickets)

If the House Republicans had any mojo, they'd be passing legislation to force EVERYONE to chow down on the Obamacare shit sandwich. No special treatment. No opt-outs. EVERYONE in the same system. Including the entire political class.

That would never pass the Senate, of course, but it would be hugely embarrassing to liberals for Obama to have to expend political capital on the Hill to beat back such a bill. Especially if the House started reviving the bill every new legislative session.

And remember, every minute the liberals are forced to play defense against such things is a minute they are not being able to move their own agenda items forward.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2013 11:37 AM (gqT4g)

181 177 A Directive 10-289 is coming on drug patents. Bank on it.
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 04, 2013 11:36 AM (QupBk)


The directive states, "all your patents are belongs to us."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:37 AM (tqLft)

182 Who knew the government saw Dr. Nick Riviera as a role model?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 04, 2013 11:37 AM (zF6Iw)

183 You must be mistaken....why I saw nurses dances around hospital beds and singing glorious songs about the NHS in the UK. They all seemed so happy....even the patients.

/s
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 11:34 AM (X6akg)


We are, comrade.

Posted by: 87th Mary Poppins Airborne Bde at April 04, 2013 11:37 AM (OcjDm)

184 Buzzsaw, uh hmm, perhaps the norks will let loose the scenario they promise. only thing is i do hope the first one lands right on top of my pointy head.


Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:37 AM (nqBYe)

185 177 A Directive 10-289 is coming on drug patents. Bank on it.
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 04, 2013 11:36 AM (QupBk)


And what a coincidence, the patent office happens to be a governmental agency. This just gets better and better.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:38 AM (tqLft)

186 Yes, chemo drugs are outrageously expensive.

However.... it is the only chance for many to live. If you are on Medicare and you're paying your premiums and such, to me, it is criminal to deny treatment.

Remember people- Medicare is being taken out of your SS check. You're PAYING FOR IT. So IMHO, there is no reason it should be denied.

/really, really, REALLY steaming mad over this. If you can give free money to people who aren't really disabled, then why are you denying treatment to someone who has paid their insurance premiums?

Posted by: shibumi at April 04, 2013 11:38 AM (z63Tr)

187 J.J. Sefton: It's from RWC's comment at #152:


152 "I don't think this would violate the Fourth Amendment. Anyone who buys a gun could be forced to waive his Fourth Amendment right."

**bangs head**

From an intellectual powerhouse on thehill.com suggesting that .gov randomly search gun owners homes.


Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 11:29 AM (fWAjv)

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:38 AM (4df7R)

188 Health care is a right! It should be free!

Posted by: Leftard von Moonbat at April 04, 2013 11:38 AM (CJjw5)

189 You can kiss any new drugs coming to market in the near future. Why would anyone want to invest in pharmaceuticals? Unless you have a blockbuster like Viagra to offset your R and D costs, what's the point?

Posted by: mpfs, exhausted assault fishstick at April 04, 2013 11:39 AM (iYbLN)

190 If the House Republicans had any mojo, they'd be
passing legislation to force EVERYONE to chow down on the Obamacare shit
sandwich. No special treatment. No opt-outs. EVERYONE in the same
system. Including the entire political class.

That would never
pass the Senate, of course, but it would be hugely embarrassing to
liberals for Obama to have to expend political capital on the Hill to
beat back such a bill. Especially if the House started reviving the bill
every new legislative session.

And remember, every minute the
liberals are forced to play defense against such things is a minute they
are not being able to move their own agenda items forward.



Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2013 11:37 AM (gqT4g)

perfect.
of course they won't even attempt it. Because . why should They risk their families , childrens, spouses, health.

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 11:40 AM (nqBYe)

191 186
......
/really,
really, REALLY steaming mad over this. If you can give free money to
people who aren't really disabled, then why are you denying treatment to
someone who has paid their insurance premiums?


Posted by: shibumi at April 04, 2013 11:38 AM
==============

Your voting block is too small to matter

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:40 AM (aDwsi)

192

Here we go!!!!!!!!!!!




Nurse-Practitioners: The Answer to the Doctor Shortage?

Let’s do the math: We have nearly 30 million uninsured people about to get medical coverage under the health care law come January. And we have a projected shortage of 45,000 primary care physicians by 2020. Add to that the American Association of Nurse Practitioners (AANP), with 43,000 members who say they can offer basic care if state laws would just let them set up an independent practice without doctor supervision.

And the answer is …

The nurse-practitioners, of course, say it’s a matter of simple addition: New laws are needed to give them more autonomy.

But doctors say it’s a miscalculation to think that patient safety won’t be compromised by not having a doctor overseeing things. Family physicians have more than four times as much education and training, accumulating an average of 21,700 hours, whereas nurse-practitioners receive 5,350 hours, the American Academy of Family Physicians points out.



from the aarp site


And, my Democrat mother says that the doctors that claim they will quit is a BLUFF. They're bluffing, she says.

Trainwreck.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 11:40 AM (XYSwB)

193 163 Highway to Hell?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at April 04, 2013 11:33 AM (fMiHM)


Stairway to Heaven, played backwards, is Highway to Hell. And it fucks up your needle (remember those?).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:40 AM (tqLft)

194 "I don't think this would violate the Fourth Amendment. Anyone who buys a
gun could be forced to waive his Fourth Amendment right."


I suspect this genius would be shocked when the gun-owner decides to use the 2nd amendment to protect his 4th amendment rights.

Posted by: GMan at April 04, 2013 11:41 AM (sxq57)

195 /really, really, REALLY steaming mad over this. If you can give free money to people who aren't really disabled, then why are you denying treatment to someone who has paid their insurance premiums?
Posted by: shibumi at April 04, 2013 11:38 AM (z63Tr)


Because technically they haven't paid their premiums. They paid the premiums of the generation that preceded them.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:41 AM (4df7R)

196 Oh who cares about sick people anyway....we are going to have Ghey Marriage!!!!!

Fabulous!!!!

Posted by: mpfs, exhausted assault fishstick at April 04, 2013 11:41 AM (iYbLN)

197 LMFAO!!!

You wingnuts just got the honorable DeGette's statement wrong. Here, let her spokeswoman clarify:


DeGette’s spokeswoman Juliet Johnson issued a statement Wednesday, saying the congresswoman mispoke.

“The Congresswoman has been working on a high-capacity assault magazine ban for years, and has been deeply involved in the issue; she simply misspoke in referring to ‘magazines’ when she should have referred to ‘clips,’ which cannot be reused because they don’t have a feeding mechanism,” Johnson said. “Quite frankly, this is just another example of opponents of common-sense gun violence prevention trying to manipulate the facts to distract from the critical issue of keeping our children safe and keeping killing machines out of the hands of disturbed individuals. It’s more political gamesmanship that stands in the way of responsible solutions.”
-----

Bwaaaahaaaahaaaa

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 11:41 AM (fWAjv)

198 If the House Republicans had any mojo, they'd be passing legislation to force EVERYONE to chow down on the Obamacare shit sandwich. No special treatment. No opt-outs. EVERYONE in the same system. Including the entire political class.

That would never pass the Senate, of course, but it would be hugely embarrassing to liberals for Obama to have to expend political capital on the Hill to beat back such a bill. Especially if the House started reviving the bill every new legislative session.


I'd have loved to have seen that. Once the waivers start flying fast and furious, everyone should have woken up.

What the hell am I saying?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 04, 2013 11:42 AM (OcjDm)

199 Because technically they haven't paid their premiums. They paid the premiums of the generation that preceded them.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:41 AM (4df7R)


Oh, and since, like a spazz, I hit POST before I finished my comment, Medicare is an "insurance" like any other. Medical facilities have no responsibility to accept it, just as they have no responsibility to accept any other insurance carrier.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:42 AM (4df7R)

200 Stairway to Heaven, played backwards, is Highway to Hell. And it fucks up your needle (remember those?).

Word!

Posted by: Maestro Fresh Wes at April 04, 2013 11:43 AM (BrQrN)

201

I can't imagine how hard this thug administration and the unions are trying to take down Drudge.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 11:43 AM (XYSwB)

202 MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit

E) Not to mention the shitload of sacrifice and effort it takes to become a licensed physician. Years and years of very intense study while competing with peers AND living amongst a population of stressed, sick people with little sleep and considerable stress of your own. Doctoring ain't serving food, writing poetry, punditry, or lawyering fer crying out loud. It's a real job.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 04, 2013 11:44 AM (eHIJJ)

203 Because technically they haven't paid their premiums. They paid the premiums of the generation that preceded them.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:41 AM (4df7R)

And what do you do when premiums paid in is less than average patient paid out (which is IIRC what we're seeing with Medicare right now?)In a private system you'd be forced to either a) cut care or b) raise premiums to cover the gap.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:44 AM (cdwHs)

204 “Quite frankly, this is just another example of opponents of common-sense gun violence prevention trying to manipulate the facts to distract from the critical issue of keeping our children safe and keeping killing machines out of the hands of disturbed individuals. It’s more political gamesmanship that stands in the way of responsible solutions.”

Bless her heart.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 04, 2013 11:44 AM (OcjDm)

205 197
LMFAO!!!



You wingnuts just got the honorable DeGette's statement wrong. Here, let her spokeswoman clarify:


===============

She can't put down the shovel, can she?
I find the reference to "assault magazines" pretty amusing.





Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:45 AM (aDwsi)

206 E) Not to mention the shitload of sacrifice and effort it takes to become a licensed physician. Years and years of very intense study while competing with peers AND living amongst a population of stressed, sick people with little sleep and considerable stress of your own. Doctoring ain't serving food, writing poetry, punditry, or lawyering fer crying out loud. It's a real job.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 04, 2013 11:44 AM (eHIJJ)


Hell yes! A difficult, time consuming, stressful, often thankless job. I don't know why anyone bothers becoming a doctor anymore, I really don't.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:45 AM (4df7R)

207 They're all too happy to forget that

A) Medical training costs mucho dinero, and those loans have to be paid back

B) Medical equipment needs upkeep, updating and replacing

C) Medicines can't be reused - they have to be bought repeatedly

D) Medical staff AND administrative staff have to get paid



That these are such hard concepts to grasp tells me that the world
-- not just our country, THE WORLD -- are populated by some of the
stupidest human beings ever to walk the Earth.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:34 AM


The wife works at a top drug company. Its unbelievable what it costs to bring a drug to market and to keep producing it. Its not only that but all the stupid humans outside of the company you have to deal with. I can't even count how many multi multi million dollar drug shipments were lost due to complete fuckups during shipping. One airport kept leaving shipments on the tarmac to get overheated in the sun, or container ships that lost a whole row of containers, or 3rd world shithole countries that close up for some fucking national holiday and don't even have a single frigging driver to move the shit before it expires, or dickheads in customs that take too long. They lose millions and millions.

Posted by: Berserker at April 04, 2013 11:46 AM (FMbng)

208 Hell yes! A difficult, time consuming, stressful, often thankless job. I don't know why anyone bothers becoming a doctor anymore, I really don't.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:45 AM (4df7R)



My nephew is finishing up his schooling right now.

And, he's a kind and gentle man.

He's going to get steamrolled.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 11:46 AM (XYSwB)

209 Only one toincrease the supply of medical care: tax it. /liberal

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 11:47 AM (IDSI7)

210 She can't put down the shovel, can she?
I find the reference to "assault magazines" pretty amusing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:45 AM (aDwsi)

Just keep on letting them talk.

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 11:47 AM (fWAjv)

211 Good morning, willow.



The much-ballyhooed use of electronic medical records (EMR) produces
computer-generated drivel which is ripe with opportunities for
additional charges, but frustrating for clinicians trying extract actual
new/useful information.




My dad had a funny story about the IT admin at his hospital refusing to believe their tablet apps were an unstable piece of crap until his crashed and rebooted when she was in his exam room, trying to get a prescription. "Oh. But that can't happen!"

(IT exists to make their jobs easier, not yours.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 04, 2013 11:47 AM (/kI1Q)

212 I had 10K in medical expenses (my costs only) this
tax year and last. The Catestrophic coverage requires you to pay the
first 5K up front then the insurance pays all after that. That is still
cheaper for me.


Of course I understand that is going away next year.


Posted by: Vic at April 04, 2013 11:30 AM (53z96)

Vic,I'm not saying it doesn't work in all cases.But those are actual numbers I'm dealing with. (Admittedly those are single person numbers. Not family, but the point still remains, and it only gets worse as you move to the family plan because the deductible and premium go up a lot, and the contribution to HSA doesn't increase by the same proportion.)So based on those actual numbers, how the hell does one make it work? I actually asked my wife to ask that of her boss who apparently is on the HDHP. His advice is far more useful to me than the 50 year old single woman with 0 health problems who keeps telling my wife "it's totally great!"As long as the economics of it aren't in my favor should I make a stupid financial choice just to prove a point?

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:47 AM (cdwHs)

213 Yes, chemo drugs are outrageously expensive.

However.... it is the only chance for many to live. If you are on Medicare and you're paying your premiums and such, to me, it is criminal to deny treatment.

Remember people- Medicare is being taken out of your SS check. You're PAYING FOR IT. So IMHO, there is no reason it should be denied.

/really, really, REALLY steaming mad over this. If you can give free money to people who aren't really disabled, then why are you denying treatment to someone who has paid their insurance premiums?
Posted by: shibumi at April 04, 2013 11:38 AM (z63Tr)


So you believe that it should be illegal for a medical provider to refuse to accept Medicare? And the corollary to that, you believe that it is proper to require all medical providers to work for the United Stated government?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 11:48 AM (VtjlW)

214 Shit, at this rate, I'm thinking about cutting a deal with my vet to see if he'll let me go on Fido's plan.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 11:48 AM (IDSI7)

215 My nephew is finishing up his schooling right now. And, he's a kind and gentle man. He's going to get steamrolled.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 11:46 AM (XYSwB)



God bless him. Let's pray this mess gets fixed somehow, for his sake and the sake of every medical and allied health professional who has to deal with the sheer IDIOCY that is the medical and pharmaceutical industry these days. A mess that, were it not for government, would probably be nowhere NEAR as miserable as it has become.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:49 AM (4df7R)

216 If I'm going to go broke and be denied treatment, if G-d forbid I or a loved one becomes ill, I will pay cash or do whatever I have to UNDER THE TABLE to get the treatment I want and pay the money directly to a doctor off the books. At least I'll have the satisfaction that the bureaucracy will not get one dime.

Underground economy. It's the way to go.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:49 AM (tqLft)

217 (IT exists to make their jobs easier, not yours.)

Hmm. You're going to send me off on a Radish-like rant about broad brushes.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 04, 2013 11:50 AM (QupBk)

218 They lose millions and millions.
Posted by: Berserker at April 04, 2013 11:46 AM (FMbng)


Good grief. Fucking ridiculous!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:50 AM (4df7R)

219 back in the eighties i dated a guy and his brother was in the underground economy....bartered for everything.....he was a licensed contractor....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 11:51 AM (GVxQo)

220 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:49 AM (4df7R)

Nifty factoid.

Using various "moral development" scores, more education typically means a higher "moral development score" (which is a measure of your critical reasoning not what decision you ultimately come to.)

Except in one field, medicine. Even Lawyers increase their reasoning ability. Medicine doesn't.
(I blame Flexner who screwed with the curriculum.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:51 AM (cdwHs)

221
I thought O-care abolished HSA's? Dr. Carson
had a great idea at the prayer breakfast, vis a vis HSA's. Start off
when you are born and whatever is left over at the end of your life is
passed on to your family. SCOAMF about melted when he heard that.



I really like Dr. Carson. If only he made pizza...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 04, 2013 11:34 AM (tqLft)

Yeah, but I think it should also have a deductible so people don't deplete it on routine stuff. Perhaps it could be locked down to only be used on payments of $3 and up.

Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 11:53 AM (UypUQ)

222 Big Labor aren't part of Obamacare. They are, you guessed it, covered by their own different and superior plans.

You sure? I've seen several stories recently about Big Labor being quite angry about O-Care because the waivers TFG granted them run out before it kicks in. Might be a private big labor vs. SEIU difference though.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 04, 2013 11:53 AM (B/VB5)

223
So you believe that it should be illegal for a medical provider to
refuse to accept Medicare? And the corollary to that, you believe that
it is proper to require all medical providers to work for the United
Stated government?
xxx

Not at all. I just am sympathetic to those patients who are facing death who show up one day at their doctors office for their chemotherapy treatment, a treatment that they have received in the past, and are told that they can no longer receive it. When someone is literally facing death, I find it reprehensible that during the middle of their treatment, it is denied.

This is not hitting "the poor" or "minorities." It is hitting middle class cancer patients who need treatment or they will die. These are people that have had their treatments covered in the past, and now, on the whim of the government are being denied life saving treatment.

How would you feel if suddenly, your mother or father, who did not have the money to pay for chemo out of pocket, were told "oh, we're sorry, we can't administer you drugs any more, best of luck with that whole cancer thing." Are you going to shrug your shoulders and say "oh well, the government shouldn't be involved in healthcare" and watch your parent die?

Posted by: shibumi at April 04, 2013 11:54 AM (z63Tr)

224
Imagine the shock of the Obama voters when they realize their premiums are going to skyrocket and they are going to get less coverage and care. Reality is a bitch isn't it.

I hate to say it, but here's what'll happen. Things will get progressively (?) shittier until finally Republicans win a significant victory. The MSM, having kept mum about the problems up to that point, will start shouting about them from the rooftops. Conclusion of LIVs? The Republicans caused those problems.

See, e.g., the homeless, "grim milestones," drone strikes on towelhead weddings, income "inequality," the list goes on and on.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 11:54 AM (IDSI7)

225
In defense of LNP's, I've been under the care of two very good ones since my bypass surgery nearly four years ago. They're both close to my age and spent years on the floors as nurses prior to getting their certs. Both are well credentialed with all kinds of fancy letters after their names.

They have a doctor that oversees them (whom I've also met). They're compassionate and caring, and try to do as much for me as they can given their restrictions to only one area, the heart (yeah, it's a clinic, but run by the same people who run the hospital where I had my surgery).

I feel blessed to have what little care I have. I just hope it doesn't go away under OCare.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 04, 2013 11:55 AM (+z4pE)

226 There was an analysis of Drudge somewhere, ad age?, that said if Drudge were a public company it would be worth more that the NY Slime.

He has eight employees and more hits that the NY Slime, thus is ad rate is higher and his expenses are less.

He' worth a couple hundred mill.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at April 04, 2013 11:55 AM (wR+pz)

227 219 back in the eighties i dated a guy and his brother was in the underground economy....bartered for everything.....he was a licensed contractor....
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 11:51 AM (GVxQo)


Back then, when many had some competent skills in the muscular arts outside of their chosen profession, it happened quite a bit. We called it "sweat equity."

God, I miss the 80s....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 04, 2013 11:56 AM (OcjDm)

228 By the way, can the govt. exchanges survive in the event the individual mandate is repealed?

Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 11:57 AM (UypUQ)

229
This is not hitting "the poor" or "minorities."

That's part of the problem. If it were, the Dems would do something about it. Croaking productive taxpayers, meh.

It is hitting middle class cancer patients who need treatment or they will die. These are people that have had their treatments covered in the past, and now, on the whim of the government are being denied life saving treatment.

Only women named "Stanley" will get treatment. Everybody else is on their own.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 11:57 AM (IDSI7)

230 Except in one field, medicine. Even Lawyers increase their reasoning ability. . . .

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:51 AM (cdwHs)



And here. we. go.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 11:57 AM (VtjlW)

231 226
There was an analysis of Drudge somewhere, ad age?, that said if Drudge
were a public company it would be worth more that the NY Slime.



He has eight employees and more hits that the NY Slime, thus is ad rate is higher and his expenses are less.



He' worth a couple hundred mill.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at April 04, 2013 11:55 AM
==========

I don't begrudge Drudge..., but he doesn't add much value to anything. The point being that Drudge doesn't do the hard work...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:57 AM (aDwsi)

232 How would you feel if suddenly, your mother or father, who did not have the money to pay for chemo out of pocket, were told "oh, we're sorry, we can't administer you drugs any more, best of luck with that whole cancer thing." Are you going to shrug your shoulders and say "oh well, the government shouldn't be involved in healthcare" and watch your parent die?
Posted by: shibumi at April 04, 2013 11:54 AM (z63Tr)


Of course not. But that is what is going to end up happening. These doctors don't WANT to turn patients away, but if they take a significant hit on every treatment for these people then not only will those people not get treatment but neither will anyone else, because the medical practice will be out of business.

Emotional, awful stories like this are GOING to happen. But emotional, sympathetic stories don't mean a damn thing to Math. Math always wins.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:58 AM (4df7R)

233
barack
verb phrases
1) barack around
a-To waste time in frivolous or foolish activity. If you's stop baracking around we could get this job done.
b-To engage in promiscuous ghey sex.
2) barack up
a-To ruin through bungling or stupidity. Somehow the experts baracked up the entire health care system.

Posted by: Burping dictionary at April 04, 2013 11:58 AM (Opo0Q)

234 229

This is not hitting "the poor" or "minorities."

That's part of the problem. If it were, the Dems would do something about it. Croaking productive taxpayers, meh.

It
is hitting middle class cancer patients who need treatment or they will
die. These are people that have had their treatments covered in the
past, and now, on the whim of the government are being denied life
saving treatment.

Only women named "Stanley" will get treatment. Everybody else is on their own.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 11:57 AM
==========

Probably will get their 'Stanley' parts also...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 11:58 AM (aDwsi)

235 RE: Drudge

I've had an idea for a while to make a browser widget that lets you delete/hide Drudge links you've already seen or are not interested in.

Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 11:59 AM (UypUQ)

236 Shorter version: Would you just fucking die already.

I would rather have a private company determining my mortality than a government, frankly. At least then ideology isn't involved.

Posted by: esch at April 04, 2013 12:00 PM (K6s7T)

237 When I read that Drudge headline about the admin guy whining about how Drudge is "getting in the way" of what they "want to do," I ended up grinning ear to ear like the Cheshire Cat. Because GOOD.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 12:01 PM (4df7R)

238 It's Drudge's Lead headline now: Cancer Clinics turning away patients

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:01 PM (9Bj8R)

239 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 11:57 AM (VtjlW)


Meh it's not a lawyer joke.

There is something wrong with medical education though. I know lots of medical students, talk to them all the time.
It's more of a problem in specialties, but over time you tend to see people less as "people" and more as "training tools."

You only need to look at the hospital that was doing pelvic exam training on anesthetized patients to see how this happens. (Good news is, I'm fairly certain they don't do that anymore. Bad news is, I've heard similar stories about different procedures by various people, so the tactic may change, but the attitude doesn't.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 12:02 PM (cdwHs)

240 It's noon. Ace's Early Morning Thread any time now.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 04, 2013 12:02 PM (gvJDD)

241 Also... Drudge's auto-refresh can be annoying when using a mobile device.

Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 12:02 PM (UypUQ)

242 Bumper Sticker" " I told ya so!"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:02 PM (9Bj8R)

243 But emotional, sympathetic stories don't mean a damn thing to Math. Math always wins

Fuckin' eh. I take emotion into the back alley and beat its pansy ass witha crowbar. Then take its wallet.

Posted by: Math at April 04, 2013 12:03 PM (BrQrN)

244 MFM: Somehow just somehow it's all the Republican's, Bush's, talk radio's, the Koch brother's, the NRA's, conservatives' fault

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 12:03 PM (1Jaio)

245
I don't know why anyone bothers becoming a doctor anymore, I really don't.Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 11:45 AM (4df7R)

A friend of mine (recent college grad) is thinking about going to med school. I told him he needed to think that through carefully, because once he's made the investment, he's stuck with using it. It's kinda like building a Maginot Line.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 12:04 PM (IDSI7)

246 If the House Republicans had any mojo, they'd be passing legislation to force EVERYONE to chow down on the Obamacare shit sandwich. No special treatment. No opt-outs. EVERYONE in the same system. Including the entire political class. That would never pass the Senate, of course, but it would be hugely embarrassing to liberals for Obama to have to expend political capital on the Hill to beat back such a bill. Especially if the House started reviving the bill every new legislative session. And remember, every minute the liberals are forced to play defense against such things is a minute they are not being able to move their own agenda items forward.

Cut. Jib. Fucking newsletter!

It's why I quit the GOP after Romney tossed the election. And it's why I'm feeling bad for the first GOP telemarketer to call me. I'll light the poor bastard up like Hiroshima.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 04, 2013 12:04 PM (zF6Iw)

247 White House Wishes MSNBC Hack Andrea Mitchell A “Happy Anniversary”…



And yet she tries to portray herself as an objective reporter.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:04 PM (9Bj8R)

248 Except in one field, medicine. Even Lawyers increase their reasoning ability. . . .

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:51 AM (cdwHs)


And here. we. go.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 11:57 AM (VtjlW)


What? I agree.

There's nowhere to go but up.

/oblig.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 12:05 PM (xSegX)

249 "Except in one field, medicine. Even Lawyers increase their reasoning ability. . . ."

Clearly they never tested my lawyer. Bastard couldn't add two and two if I spotted him a calculator, an abacus, an alphabet, and the answer. But boy did he know how to get his paralegals to push paper. It's like there's a dummy-proof template for that sort of thing.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 04, 2013 12:06 PM (eHIJJ)

250
I would rather have a private company determining my mortality than a government, frankly. At least then ideology isn't involved.Posted by: esch at April 04, 2013 12:00 PM (K6s7T)

Also, you have recourse against a private company in the event of a dispute. Against the government, they can just say, "No, we don't think so," and that's that. Sovereign immunity and all that.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 12:06 PM (IDSI7)

251 Meh it's not a lawyer joke.

Then you're not trying hard enough.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 12:06 PM (xSegX)

252
Of course not. But that is what is going to end up happening. These doctors don't WANT to turn patients away, but if they take a significant hit on every treatment for these people then not only will those people not get treatment but neither will anyone else, because the medical practice will be out of business.

Emotional, awful stories like this are GOING to happen. But emotional, sympathetic stories don't mean a damn thing to Math. Math always wins.


Of course, sob stories are a big part of how we got into this mess in the first place. Dims always take advantage of that.

If only we had another political party that could employ many of the same tactics, but use examples of the seemingly-always-negative effects of getting the gubmint involved where it has no business...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 04, 2013 12:06 PM (+z4pE)

253 My nephew is finishing up his schooling right now. And, he's a kind and gentle man. He's going to get steamrolled.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 11:46 AM (XYSwB)


Once he quits, he should call your Democrat mother: "Still think we're bluffing, great-auntie?"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 04, 2013 12:07 PM (zF6Iw)

254 Sarah Kliff? Related to Fiscal Cliff?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 04, 2013 12:07 PM (AWmfW)

255 Drudge is the one guy in the media I would never want to target.

Drudge holds a grudge. (heh)

And he's been holding back against this administration. You can tell.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 12:08 PM (xSegX)

256 If the R's were smart they'd have a cakewalk. Beat
them over the head the next two elections, then repeal it, replacing it
with real free-market reform.







there's your problem- If the R's were smart

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 10:55 AM (8sCoq)


Every fucking Republican running for the House or Senate in 2014 needs to pledge to repeal BammyCare. It's as close to a litmus test as I can imagine and anybody who doesn't pledge it should answer why the fuck not. It's a perfect way to put the donks on the defensive and shake out the lying fuck blue dogs. Everything else should be secondary in a campaign.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 04, 2013 12:08 PM (/1wLO)

257 How would you feel if suddenly, your mother or father, who did not have the money to pay for chemo out of pocket, were told "oh, we're sorry, we can't administer you drugs any more, best of luck with that whole cancer thing." Are you going to shrug your shoulders and say "oh well, the government shouldn't be involved in healthcare" and watch your parent die?
Posted by: shibumi at April 04, 2013 11:54 AM (z63Tr)


No, I would empty my bank account of every single penny I have in order to pay for it. I would determine where they would be able to get treatment and I would move heaven and earth to get them there. If need be, I would sell everything I had to care for them. I most decidedly would not demand that someone go to jail or bankrupt themselves to give my parent free health care.


How would you feel if suddenly you were told that you had to give up everything you've worked for all your life to take care of other people with no hope at any point of ever being paid for it? How would you like to be threatened with jail if you did not? How would you feel if you were called reprehensible for trying to keep your business afloat and thus continue to provide for yourself and the families of those in your employ?


Your statements are self-refuting. You say that it is at the whim of the government that treatment is being denied but then you turn around and demand criminal sanctions against those who did not make such decisions. You say it is reprehensible that this is being denied. Reprehensible on whose part? Those in charge of Medicare payment decisions? Congress? The medical providers? All of the above?


Is it horrific that such events are taking place? Yup. It is also horrific to decree that one person must be told to provide services to another at the point of a gun.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 12:08 PM (VtjlW)

258 Of course, sob stories are a big part of how we got into this mess in the first place. Dims always take advantage of that.

this I think is why healthcare is every expanding, growing, beast that will consume everything.
For every condition there's a sob story that goes with it.
Those Anti-Neoplastons I mentioned earlier. That business is kept alive by sob stories. Everyone someone goes "you know, this stuff doesn't seem to do any good, and in some cases it may have contributed to a person's death."
They tout out someone who was "saved" by them and make people cry.

Emovitism, it'll kill us all with kindness.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 12:09 PM (cdwHs)

259 Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 11:47 AM (cdwHs)


That is a family plan. Me and wifey.

Posted by: Vic at April 04, 2013 12:09 PM (53z96)

260 Good thing we didn't elect that evil Romney, eh drew?

Posted by: prettypinkflufypanties at April 04, 2013 12:09 PM (rvNPI)

261 I would rather have a private company determining my mortality than a government, frankly. At least then ideology isn't involved.

I just want two private companies.

Nobody wants to be the one who lets you die.

Government? Meh, you're not valuable enough, comrade.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 12:09 PM (xSegX)

262 Math always wins..

Yeah.. but the math involved here can take a lot of twists and turns.

Why are chemo drugs so expensive? Do ya think when Medicare stops reimbursing at the higher rates the price might magically drop? Some drugs, for some cancers, are probably used almost exclusively by Medicare patients, given that age is one of the biggest correlating factors in some cancers.

We have to remember that the root problem here IS Medicare. Medicare drives up the price of everything. All insurance does, for that matter. If medical care was an open market, prices for everything would be much lower.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 04, 2013 12:09 PM (f9c2L)

263 Howdy Drew. I think the point of Sarah Kliff's article is to place the blame for this turning away of cancer patients squarely on the sequester and indirectly (*wink* *wink* to their lib readers) on Republicans. Unfortunately, that's the tack I take on these types of articles, given the media outlet.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 04, 2013 12:10 PM (9eDbm)

264

Restaurant Gives Discount to Gun-Toting Customers

“Open Carry Wednesday” at the Cajun Experience in Leesburg, Va., means patrons who pack heat get a 10 percent discount on their bills.

Owner Bryan Crosswhite said it’s less about the discount and more about the statement.

“It’s not about packing heat, he said. “We send a message that this is America and this is our constitutional right.”

Crosswhite says patrons came up with the idea for the promotion. He said there have been no incidents in the restaurant since the deal began four weeks ago.




freebeacon.com

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:12 PM (XYSwB)

265 Bait and Switch? Is that like the Bend and Snap?

Posted by: Blonde LIV at April 04, 2013 12:12 PM (yn6XZ)

266 And yet the GOP is stuck on illegal immigration and SSM as the most important issues to the electorate.

What a bunch of complete buffoons.

Posted by: Marcus at April 04, 2013 12:13 PM (GGCsk)

267 For all you Bitcoin evangelists out there, read'em and weep.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100615508

Online currency bitcoin had 20 percent knocked off its price overnight on Thursday as one of its major exchanges became the victim of a hacking attack leading to a sell-off in the virtual currency after reaching an all-time high.


Uncertainty over other currencies, turmoil in Cyprus and media interest are just some of the reasons commentators are citing for the 360 percent rise in bitcoin prices over the last month. The frenzied interest in bitcoins piled over onto the social media site Twitter and led to a spike in Google searches on the topic


Oh, and it wasn't "hacked." It was another Anonymous-style DDoS attack, because that's all these fuckknobs know how to do. If they can't guess your password, they go with the Denial of Service bomb. What a bunch of fucking losers.

Posted by: Leftard von Moonbat at April 04, 2013 12:14 PM (CJjw5)

268

Bolton's one of the few people I listen to re foreign engagement.

His thoughts on NK are interesting.

http://freebeacon.com/bolton-north-korean-rhetoric-beyond-their-normal-playbook/

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:14 PM (XYSwB)

269 And yet the GOP is stuck on illegal immigration and SSM as the most important issues to the electorate.

What a bunch of complete buffoons.


Posted by: Marcus at April 04, 2013 12:13 PM (GGCsk)

I know, its makes ZERO fuckingsense to keep those issues in the news. Shut-up about that stuff already.

Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 12:15 PM (UypUQ)

270 Hahah you guys kill me.
Posted by: Ezra Klein at April 04, 2013 11:00 AM (++kZl)

Do not tempt me....

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 04, 2013 12:15 PM (hLRSq)

271
Emovitism, it'll kill us all with kindness.

To paraphrase that noted philosopher Curly Howard, "Woid!"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 04, 2013 12:15 PM (+z4pE)

272

Lets see if it sounds better in French:

Les Panels de Death.*



*(actually, 'Les Panneaux de Mort')

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 04, 2013 12:16 PM (IY7Ir)

273 What's the big deal? Medicare covers everything. Everyone is insured. Socialist Utopia. Isn't life grand?

In the present, everyone has insurance. Finding an oncologist who will accept it may be difficult.


Posted by: Al at April 04, 2013 12:17 PM (V70Uh)

274 I hate to say it, but here's what'll happen. Things will get progressively (?) shittier until finally Republicans win a significant victory. The MSM, having kept mum about the problems up to that point, will start shouting about them from the rooftops. Conclusion of LIVs? The Republicans caused those problems.

See, e.g., the homeless, "grim milestones," drone strikes on towelhead weddings, income "inequality," the list goes on and on.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 11:54 AM (IDSI7)



and the web will be whitewashed of any evidence

and, I don't doubt that TFG's goons will scrub all evidence behind them

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:17 PM (XYSwB)

275 OT: Now, the Obama Regime is trying to climb down from the Korean escalation... GREAT JOB, Junior!

Posted by: Baldy at April 04, 2013 12:18 PM (opS9C)

276 No, I would empty my bank account of every single penny I have in order
to pay for it. I would determine where they would be able to get
treatment and I would move heaven and earth to get them there. If need
be, I would sell everything I had to care for them. I most decidedly
would not demand that someone go to jail or bankrupt themselves to give
my parent free health care.


I've left specific, lawyer level, instructions for my wife and children NOT to do that for me if I'm ever at the point where total bankruptcy is the only way to keep me alive another X unit of time. I'm not going to wipe them out to save my old, diseased ass, so I can surf pr0n another week or come comment here one last time. When I'm past the point of saving, I want to go.

I've also left instructions for a Viking funeral. Burn me on a wooden canoe and make sure I go to Valhalla with the pretty, porcelain skinned Valkyries wearing the leather stompy boots and boob armour that doesn't quite cover it all.




Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:18 PM (GQ8sn)

277 Damn, that Paul Ryan is a ninja. How did he manage to end Medicare as we know it with Dems on high alert?

Posted by: no good deed at April 04, 2013 12:18 PM (mjR67)

278 I want a bumper sticker 'Math FTW' to go alongside my R/Ryan one.

Posted by: esch at April 04, 2013 12:18 PM (K6s7T)

279 Lets see if it sounds better in French:Les Panels de Death.**(actually, 'Les Panneaux de Mort')
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 04, 2013 12:16 PM (IY7Ir)


Sounds like a kind of bread, a death bread if you will, with flour ground from the bones of the elderly. I could approve of this, I do like bread...

Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 12:19 PM (D5hxK)

280 Chi-Town Jerry: "Do ya think when Medicare stops reimbursing at the higher rates the price might magically drop?"

I wish I knew, but there is the chance that manufacturing just does cost that much such that prices simply cannot drop to a significant degree. Sure, maybe a few cancers could be treated because a significant enough population has a particular "common" cancer and manufacture can scale to meet demand, but many other cancers won't scale and the expense will not induce production or research.

Some things are just exorbitantly expensive and are destined to remain so even under a capitalistic system. And under a socialist/communist one? Expense cannot even enter the equation as the incentive to produce at all is ground to dust.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 04, 2013 12:20 PM (eHIJJ)

281
Why are chemo drugs so expensive?

Sunk RD costs have to be recouped. Not just the ones for a given drug, but for all the ones that never made it to FDA approval.

Plus, fuckers in other countries' national health services buy drugs on a cost-plus basis, essentially dictating what they will pay. It's like saying you'll buy a copy of a movie for the price of an empty DVD, because that's the marginal cost.

That leaves sick Americans to pay the full freight of drug development. Drugs typically have about five years left of patent life when they're approved by the FDA, then they go generic. That means that all the drug development costs have to be recouped in five years, in one country.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 12:20 PM (IDSI7)

282 275 OT: Now, the Obama Regime is trying to climb down from the Korean escalation... GREAT JOB, Junior!

Posted by: Baldy at April 04, 2013 12:18 PM (opS9C)

Cementing our image as beyond weak.

YAY TFG!!

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 12:21 PM (fWAjv)

283 And how about all those illegals we are about to amnesty? They are saying now they could eat up $40B a year in expenses AND I am sure that is a gross underestimation.

Posted by: Vic at April 04, 2013 12:21 PM (53z96)

284
and, I don't doubt that TFG's goons will scrub all evidence behind them

Let them try. If I was the head of the GOP, I'd have a division of Dim Archives, with a staff that did nothing but keep track of exactly what they've said and done, along with every instance that was ignored by the MFM.

Of course, if I was in charge of the GOP, we wouldn't be in the shit fix we're in now.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 04, 2013 12:21 PM (+z4pE)

285
Chi-Town Jerry: "Do ya think when Medicare stops reimbursing at the higher rates the price might magically drop?"

More likely that manufacturers will just stand down from producing them.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 12:22 PM (IDSI7)

286

Beast Mode.

heh.

'We have a Mr. Smith and we have a Mr. Wesson, I think we'll do just fine'

http://freebeacon.com/krauthammer-goes-beastmode-on-u-n-global-arms-trade-treaty/

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:22 PM (XYSwB)

287 I've left specific, lawyer level, instructions for my wife and children NOT to do that for me if I'm ever at the point where total bankruptcy is the only way to keep me alive another X unit of time. I'm not going to wipe them out to save my old, diseased ass, so I can surf pr0n another week or come comment here one last time. When I'm past the point of saving, I want to go.

I've also left instructions for a Viking funeral. Burn me on a wooden canoe and make sure I go to Valhalla with the pretty, porcelain skinned Valkyries wearing the leather stompy boots and boob armour that doesn't quite cover it all.




Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:18 PM (GQ8sn)


You sound like me. And I hope to die while I am still in Uniform to milk every dollar of life insurance I can out of Uncle Sam. And I want to be cremated and my ashes put in the kitty litter

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:22 PM (9Bj8R)

288 http://tinyurl.com/c9kregl



"It's not enough," Elba Godoy,acrew member at a McDonald's just a
few blocks from Times Square,said of her $7.25-per-hour minimum wage,
whichhelps support her extended family of seven."They don't like [that
we're out here], but we have to do it. We cannot survive on $7.25."
Godoy
and her colleaguesare seeking a raise to $15 an hour and the right to
form a union without retaliation. The walkout is part of a national
movement by low-wage workers to raise wages and gain rights.
If you want your sequester kliff, you can keep your sequester kliff.

Posted by: Chris Matthews at April 04, 2013 12:22 PM (0It32)

289
"No, I would empty my bank account of every single penny I have in order to pay for it. I would determine where they would be able to get treatment and I would move heaven and earth to get them there. If need be, I would sell everything I had to care for them. I most decidedly would not demand that someone go to jail or bankrupt themselves to give my parent free health care."

This is exactly why these decisions need to be taken outof the hands of people who lose the ability to think rationally in crisis situations.

Grandma, grandpa, mom, dad... they all are going to die. Bankrupting your family to keep them breathing a day or two more isn't the nobel thing to do.


Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 12:22 PM (u2a4R)

290 Sunk RD costs have to be recouped. Not just the ones for a given drug, but for all the ones that never made it to FDA approval.

Plus,
fuckers in other countries' national health services buy drugs on a
cost-plus basis, essentially dictating what they will pay. It's like
saying you'll buy a copy of a movie for the price of an empty DVD,
because that's the marginal cost.


Example: Canada.

Canada has price controls, so the national health care system won't pay above a certain price that they came up with using an algorithm worthy of an insurance actuarial thesis paper.

Because of the price controls, the same drug is cheaper compared to the US, and that's why a lot of seniors go on organized bus trips across the border and load up on their medicines. Canadian pharmacies do this at their own peril. Also, this means that the US is subsidizing the price controlled drug for Canadian citizens to some degree.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:23 PM (GQ8sn)

291 Speaking of expensive medicine, last week I got my first root-canal and the entire procedure lasted one-hour, yet cost $1,200. That amounts to $20 a minute! About as expensive as filling up a gas tank for an hour straight.


Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 12:23 PM (UypUQ)

292 So, how's that welfare medical insurance (Medicare) working out for you?

In the old days, people saved up (or didn't) for retirement. They didn't have this new-fangled thing called "health insurance". They got old and then died. Nobody but the wealthy would even consider spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on quadruple bypasses, etc. You get a tumor and you "put your affairs in order."

And so it is again. It really is crazy to spend ridiculous amounts of taxpayer money to keep old people alive.

Posted by: Al at April 04, 2013 12:24 PM (V70Uh)

293 And how about all those illegals we are about to amnesty? They are saying now they could eat up $40B a year in expenses AND I am sure that is a gross underestimation.
Posted by: Vic at April 04, 2013 12:21 PM (53z96)




I guarantee you, there will be a requirement for doctors to speak spanish.

Same shit in canada. If you are hitched the government, you HAVE to speak french, too. Of course, it's bs, most speak English, and are forced to take courses...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:24 PM (XYSwB)

294 Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 12:22 PM (u2a4R

Dude, I'm the academic bioethicist and even I don't think that.

Good lord, the outcome would be miserable.

No, no, if you can't change the culture to realize that at some point treatment does become disproportionate and that one should not destroy their family to stay alive, you're boned.
You can't just resurrect Seattle's "God Panels"

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 12:25 PM (cdwHs)

295 Also, this means that the US is subsidizing the price controlled drug for Canadian citizens to some degree.

That's the bottom line. The drug companies figure they'll make up the loss in Canada in exchange for the much higher prices they can get in the US and in exchange for actually staying in the Canadian market.

If the US implements the same thing, all of a sudden the drug prices in Canada will shoot up.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 12:25 PM (xSegX)

296 Because of the price controls, the same drug is cheaper compared to the US, and that's why a lot of seniors go on organized bus trips across the border and load up on their medicines. Canadian pharmacies do this at their own peril. Also, this means that the US is subsidizing the price controlled drug for Canadian citizens to some degree.
Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:23 PM (GQ8sn)

It also means Canadian drug users and the Canadian Government are contributing nothing to the R&D of these Drug Companies. We are footing that bill. So next time anyone wants a new more efficient drug or an orphan drug, just remember that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:26 PM (9Bj8R)

297 This free healthcare is looking pretty damn good! Yeah, uh-huh. And all that is needed to make it even more successful is for our brilliant young visionary leader to nationalize a few of those nasty ol' drug companies. He's the smartest guy in the room, right, so he'll know what to do to fix the problem. Yeah, uh-huh.

Posted by: and irresolute at April 04, 2013 12:26 PM (DBH1h)

298 And I want to be cremated and my ashes put in the kitty litter
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:22 PM (9Bj8R)



You and I both know that the kitteh's are quite persnickety of a change in kitty litter...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:26 PM (XYSwB)

299 If the US implements the same thing, all of a sudden the drug prices in Canada will shoot up.

If the US did that, we're looking at the last round of new Rx medicines ever coming out of the pipeline.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:27 PM (GQ8sn)

300
"Hahah you guys kill me."
Posted by: Ezra Klein at April 04, 2013 11:00 AM (++kZl)
Now there's an idea whose time is nigh.

Posted by: Gulermo at April 04, 2013 12:27 PM (f+EPI)

301 City of Phoenix Recruiting Minority Lifeguards Even if They Can’t Swim

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 12:27 PM (8sCoq)

302 And another thing. This whole geriatric health industry got started with Medicare in the 60's, LBJ's fisting of the baby boomers.

For a bunch of conservatives, a lot of you seem to be sucking at the gubmint teat.

Posted by: Al at April 04, 2013 12:28 PM (V70Uh)

303 You and I both know that the kitteh's are quite persnickety of a change in kitty litter...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:26 PM (XYSwB)


You just mix it in with their present favorite slowly and they'll be happy to wizz all over me I can assure you

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:28 PM (9Bj8R)

304 City of Phoenix Recruiting Minority Lifeguards Even if They Can’t Swim

City of Phoenix looking to be sued to the ground at the first drowning.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:28 PM (GQ8sn)

305 also means Canadian drug users and the Canadian
Government are contributing nothing to the RD of these Drug
Companies. We are footing that bill. So next time anyone wants a new
more efficient drug or an orphan drug, just remember that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:26 PM (9Bj8R)

Yeah there needs to be more discussion about how international price controls are screwing us over.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 12:28 PM (cdwHs)

306
And so it is again. It really is crazy to spend ridiculous amounts of taxpayer money to keep old people alive.

Notice, if you will, the sudden (and only) appearance of any concern about the amount of money spent in Washington.

It's only important to reign in costs when it's spent on you and your health.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 04, 2013 12:29 PM (+z4pE)

307 If the US did that, we're looking at the last round of new Rx medicines ever coming out of the pipeline.

With treatment protocols being enforced by Uncle Sam, you can forget about new procedures too. Medical innovation will be stifled for sure.

Posted by: no good deed at April 04, 2013 12:29 PM (mjR67)

308 Example: Canada.

Canada has price controls, so the national health care system won't pay above a certain price that they came up with using an algorithm worthy of an insurance actuarial thesis paper.

Because of the price controls, the same drug is cheaper compared to the US, and that's why a lot of seniors go on organized bus trips across the border and load up on their medicines. Canadian pharmacies do this at their own peril. Also, this means that the US is subsidizing the price controlled drug for Canadian citizens to some degree.
Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:23 PM (GQ8sn)



But, in many cases, you get crap for medication in Canada. Not the best choices out there for certain symptoms.

I remember getting treated in AZ, and how my surgeon mocked Canada's system, saying, quote, that you get the "cheap" stuff.

Canada's healthcare is all about taking the blue pill. In every facet.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:29 PM (XYSwB)

309 This is exactly why these decisions need to be taken outof the hands of people who lose the ability to think rationally in crisis situations.

Grandma, grandpa, mom, dad... they all are going to die. Bankrupting your family to keep them breathing a day or two more isn't the nobel thing to do.


Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 12:22 PM (u2a4R)



Please note that what I said was in response to the specific scenario of people being denied chemo treatments that were working. In such a scenario, then, yes, I would do what I stated. If there was a high likelihood of survival via treatment X and the barrier was money, then, yes, I would find the money. I made and make no statement that I would do so in any and all situations. You cannot extrapolate from one position to another since the underlying fact pattern of such scenarios are not remotely similar.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 12:29 PM (VtjlW)

310 301
City of Phoenix Recruiting Minority Lifeguards Even if They Can’t Swim

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 12:27 PM (8sCoq)

Too easy.

Posted by: Comedian Nick DiPaolo at April 04, 2013 12:30 PM (UypUQ)

311
When too many doctors quit practicing, the President will declare an emergency and Congress will pass legislation permitting doctors to be conscripted into the armed forces. Its the Doctor Zhivago option. Find some doctor wandering in the woods and force him at gunpoint to ride a horse around Siberia for a few months or years and care for the Red Army. Deserters will be shot.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at April 04, 2013 12:30 PM (qwK3S)

312 And the good news: those doctors will never be sued.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at April 04, 2013 12:31 PM (qwK3S)

313


RE the price controls in Canada.

And, even with that help, the system is collapsing.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:31 PM (XYSwB)

314 Ah crap, you guys were right.

Ayers said he'd need to kill 25 million, not 2.5 million.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 04, 2013 12:31 PM (fwARV)

315 I remember getting treated in AZ, and how my surgeon mocked Canada's system, saying, quote, that you get the "cheap" stuff.

My grandmother back in Canada is on several medications: diabetes, arthritis, cholesterol. She gets the generics whenever possible, but still gets brand name versions of whatever isn't off patent.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:31 PM (GQ8sn)

316 I want my ashes loaded into shotgun shells.

http://tinyurl.com/bw22ece

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 04, 2013 12:31 PM (81UWZ)

317 these decisions need to be taken out of the hands of people

Govts say things like that. And commies. And marxists. And fascists.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 04, 2013 12:32 PM (IY7Ir)

318
"Please note that what I said was in response to the specific scenario of people being denied chemo treatments that were working"

Sorry AtC, I missed that.

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 12:32 PM (u2a4R)

319 You just mix it in with their present favorite slowly and they'll be happy to wizz all over me I can assure you
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:28 PM (9Bj8R)



hehe

the formula

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:32 PM (XYSwB)

320 When too many doctors quit practicing, the President will declare an emergency and Congress will pass legislation permitting doctors to be conscripted into the armed forces.
But FIRST they'll pass legislation requiring that any medical practice of XYZ size, or located in a region with ABC levels of poverty and/or minority populations, must accept Medicare and Medicaid.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 12:32 PM (4df7R)

321 So, Medicare cuts to providers... which drive them out of business.

Cut the which supports subsidies...

Don't set up either State run, nor Small business exchanges in a timely manner, but DO enforce the penalties...

If you have insurance, you can't keep it, because we don't aproove of yours... or we might... next year... maybe...

Increase housing prices with a Tax to support healthcare... increase some rents nationwide (tax unearned income at a highter rate... and that includes LLCs)...

This whole thing is built to fail, and they are pushing it over the edge with incompetence... they are CREATING a crises.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 04, 2013 12:32 PM (lZBBB)

322 I cried at the butt-barring story in the side-link.

Thanks. I needed a good laugh today.

Posted by: Marcus at April 04, 2013 12:32 PM (GGCsk)

323
#288,
It's a Union drive, nothing more. FF cashier in midtown runs between $30K ~ $35K. I know one franchise owner in NYC - his starting wage is already over $15/hr.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 12:33 PM (lbiWb)

324 Also, this means that the US is subsidizing the price controlled drug for Canadian citizens to some degree

Yeah, uh, sorry about that.

But on the bright side, all those Canadian politicians who would whip down south of the border for life saving surgeries when their 'free' health care system put them on multi-year waiting lists will soon be just as fucked as the rest of us.

So, winning!

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at April 04, 2013 12:33 PM (BrQrN)

325 My grandmother back in Canada is on several medications: diabetes, arthritis, cholesterol. She gets the generics whenever possible, but still gets brand name versions of whatever isn't off patent.
Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:31 PM (GQ8sn)



I didn't mean generic v brand.

The better drug versus and older one, that many doctors in the US have moved away from.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:34 PM (XYSwB)

326 But on the bright side, all those Canadian politicians who would whip down south of the border for life saving surgeries when their 'free' health care system put them on multi-year waiting lists will soon be just as fucked as the rest of us.

So, winning!
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at April 04, 2013 12:33 PM (BrQrN)

Ain't socialized medicine grand?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:34 PM (9Bj8R)

327 I can assure you Carrousel will be well-financed.

Posted by: Kathleen Sebelius at April 04, 2013 12:34 PM (eHIJJ)

328 Prediction: when people quickly learn how to get out of the individual mandate simply by recalculating their paycheck with-holdings, the poor/uninformed folks who did not and get hit with a reduced tax returns, will sue the IRS on the ground of equal-protection violations.

Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 12:34 PM (UypUQ)

329
"It's only important to reign in costs when it's spent on you period. Now get back to work"
FIFY...

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 12:35 PM (lbiWb)

330 But on the bright side, all those Canadian politicians who would whip down south of the border for life saving surgeries when their 'free' health care system put them on multi-year waiting lists will soon be just as fucked as the rest of us.

So, winning!
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at April 04, 2013 12:33 PM (BrQrN)



yep

That is what I keep telling my Canadian husband.

Where do we go for good care now?

Israel?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:35 PM (XYSwB)

331 Everyone knows ObamaCare is a shit sandwich, even Democrats, but they've tied their fate to Obama, and so far, it's paid off. Mainly because Republicans will always go full retard on other trivial issues.

Private health care will be destroyed eventually unless ObamaCare is scrapped, which will usher in true single payer health insurance. And Obama in his memoirs will be sure to tell the world that was really his plan all along.

Still, we're going to have about a decade of everyone HATING the system, which is going to do wonders for Obama's legacy since it was his biggest domestic achievement.



Posted by: McAdams at April 04, 2013 12:35 PM (IZjA3)

332 You know, it's not the sign in Spanish instructing people on line to see a social worker to simply use the computer to apply for food stamps that really bothers me. It's not all the posters plastering the lobby encouraging them to apply for SNAP this and WIC that and every other fucking giveaway out there. It's the one encouraging them to adopt and get the subsequent bennies that come along with it that really infuriates me.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 12:35 PM (D5hxK)

333 A certain large technology company in my area just had to re-tool their cadillac health insurance plans, so now the deductibles are really high per year ($4000-$6000), there are co-pays for everything where there didn't used to be, a bunch of medications and tests have been severely limited under the new insurance plan, as well as payments for certain types of doctor visits.



Plus, there is now a rather byzantine system to pay for health services, you either have "medical credit card" (which my ex refuses to give me for our son, for reasons which make no sense) or if you don't have that, you pay for the health service up front full amount. Third option is some weird 3rd party co-pay thing you can set up so now yet another company besides the service provider and the insurance company has their finger in the money pot.

And yet, I keep getting told that this company's health insurance is still the best in the country. If that's the case, I feel really sorry for other people because they must be getting screwed royally.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 04, 2013 12:35 PM (RZ8pf)

334
How about we increase the incentives for people to die?

Got a terminal illness? How about a 14 day cruise, first class, all expenses paid. You just never get back to port.

People would get something they could never afford during their lifetime and go out happy.

Posted by: jwest at April 04, 2013 12:36 PM (u2a4R)

335 @AP




Gunman reported at University of Rhode Island:


SOUTH KINGSTOWN, R.I. (AP) — Police are investigating reports of a gunman at the University of Rhode Island.

Steven O'Donnell, head of the Rhode Island State Police, tells The
Associated Press on Thursday that there is no evidence of an active
shooter.

The school in South Kingstown wrote on its Twitter feed late Thursday
morning that it was investigating a possible gunman on campus. It told
people to seek shelter and stay where they were.

O'Donnell says the gunman was reported at Chafee Hall, which houses
several departments including psychology, journalism and economics and
some college administration offices.

Messages left with URI spokespeople were not immediately returned.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 12:37 PM (X6akg)

336 I want my ashes loaded into shotgun shells.

http://tinyurl.com/bw22ece


Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 04, 2013 12:31 PM (81UWZ)

I want my ashes loaded into a 3D printer and used to make a replica of myself.

Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 12:37 PM (UypUQ)

337 cancer patients get turned away but free tax payer funded birth control and abortions and sex change operations for everyone!!!!!!! yippppppeeeeeeeeee!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 12:38 PM (GVxQo)

338 and Congress will pass legislation permitting doctors to be conscripted into the armed forces.

I think first they'd increase visas for medical professionals from "developing nations" (or whatever this week's euphemism is). Like they've been doing with software for 20 years.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 04, 2013 12:38 PM (/kI1Q)

339 The better drug versus and older one, that many doctors in the US have moved away from.

Ah yes. You're right about that.

I used to work as a QA tester in a pharma manufacturing company years ago, and I noticed that we were making batches of a drug I hadn't seen on the market before. I asked about it and my boss said it was for export only to Mexico and other third world countries. The drug left the US market back in 1975. They still made it because there was still a market for it outside the US where it was still cheap enough to buy and profitable to make in the quantities demanded.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:38 PM (GQ8sn)

340 The dirty little secret: Medicine can't be industrialized. Oh, you can mass produce the tools and the medicines, maybe even the training, but when you get down to the practice you just can't. Every person is different; every situation is specific. It's why custom drugs tailored to a person's DNA and body chemistry tend to work better than standard formulations, among other things.

It is, in sort, spectacularly ill-suited to any kind of centralization. Not that it isn't tried, it just fails utterly.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at April 04, 2013 12:38 PM (fMiHM)

341 Gunman reported at University of Rhode Island:


just what the democrats have hoped for

I wonder what weapon of choice. I'm sure he's been reading the news...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:39 PM (XYSwB)

342 Messages left with URI spokespeople were not immediately returned.
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 12:37 PM (X6akg)

My older daughter went to URI.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:39 PM (9Bj8R)

343 Police are investigating reports of a gunman at the University of Rhode Island.

Good thing they passed all those gun laws! They should stop him dead in his tracks!

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at April 04, 2013 12:40 PM (fMiHM)

344 "Of course Medicare recipients will have the same "benefits" as liberals
always promise, they just won't have anywhere to redeem them."

You guys are paranoid. Those benefits will be available. just get in line next to that ditch over there.

Posted by: forest at April 04, 2013 12:40 PM (stMuz)

345 You know, if it weren't for Medicare, there wouldn't be so many Oncologists to go out of business.

Live by the govt. reimbursement, die by the govt. reimbursement.


Posted by: Al at April 04, 2013 12:40 PM (V70Uh)

346
"Gunman reported at University of Rhode Island"
Unpossible, as URI doesn't allow guns on campus.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 12:41 PM (lbiWb)

347 Report: Ship carrying 60,000 firearms seized near Sinai
Egyptian Navy seizes ship in Red Sea carrying 60,000 firearms: sniper-rifles, AK-47s, RPGs, vast amounts of ammo; report: Ship is Iranian, unknown course

I am sure it is all an innocent mistake????

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:41 PM (9Bj8R)

348
Report: Ship carrying 60,000 firearms seized near Sinai

Egyptian Navy seizes ship in Red Sea carrying 60,000 firearms:
sniper-rifles, AK-47s, RPGs, vast amounts of ammo; report: Ship is
Iranian, unknown course



I am sure it is all an innocent mistake????

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:41 PM (9Bj8R)



They were getting all those guns and ammo ready to be lost at sea.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:42 PM (GQ8sn)

349

We really should have started a Where's Waldo for the stimulus money.

Stuff like this:

$700 Million in Taxpayer Funds For Hurricane Katrina Recovery Gone Missing

There are so many examples.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:42 PM (XYSwB)

350
"Ship is Iranian, unknown course"
Of course it is... "unknown", that is. Let's guess it's destination: Germany, perhaps?
/s

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 12:43 PM (lbiWb)

351 Michael Pfleger, the controversial Catholic priest who made racial remarks about Hillary Clinton and defended Louis Farrakhan, has been removed as a keynote speaker at a diversity day event sponsored by a federal government agency.

A spokesperson for the Broadcasting Board of Governors told Fox News that Pfleger’s office has been notified that his invitation to address the group has been rescinded.

“This is an event that is meant to celebrate inclusiveness and diversity,” spokesperson Lynne Weil told Fox News. “It was deemed by our senior management that it was not appropriate to have him as a speaker.”

Yeah, good, dandy, but who invited the prick in the first place?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:43 PM (9Bj8R)

352
How about we increase the incentives for people to die?


I'll take my Final VayCay at the Playboy mansion, thank you. And I'll choose the method to be dying at the sexual mercy of whichever set of twin Playmates, I'm not picky.

Of course, they won't be able to close the coffin lid, like I'll care...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 04, 2013 12:43 PM (+z4pE)

353 Egyptian Navy seizes ship in Red Sea carrying 60,000 firearms: sniper-rifles, AK-47s, RPGs, vast amounts of ammo; report: Ship is Iranian, unknown course
I wonder if they were on the way to NK?

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2013 12:43 PM (O/fK8)

354 $700 Million in Taxpayer Funds For Hurricane Katrina Recovery Gone Missing


NY/NJ mafia caught laundering $700 million.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:43 PM (GQ8sn)

355
"$700 Million in Taxpayer Funds For Hurricane Katrina Recovery Gone Missing"
And this is news how?

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 12:44 PM (lbiWb)

356 Ain't socialized medicine grand?
Posted by: Nevergiveup


Paraphrasing, but Steyn (and many others of course)always makes the point that the worst part about it (or any other part of the nanny state) is not necessarily the wasted money or inefficiency, but the destruction it wreaks on the national character and/or psyche.

It's next to impossible to convince otherwise semi-intelligent Canucks howpoorly fully run government healthcare functions. They all experience it at various points in life, but connecting the dots is next to impossible for them.

100% pure indoctrination.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at April 04, 2013 12:44 PM (BrQrN)

357 Egyptian Navy seizes ship in Red Sea carrying 60,000 firearms: sniper-rifles, AK-47s, RPGs, vast amounts of ammo; report: Ship is Iranian, unknown course


I am sure it is all an innocent mistake????

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:41 PM (9Bj8R)

They were getting all those guns and ammo ready to be lost at sea.


Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:42 PM (GQ8sn)

See Reichwingers! The UN Small Arms Treaty is working!

Posted by: Lefty Leftowitz, Moonbat in Good standing at April 04, 2013 12:44 PM (lZBBB)

358
Somewhere back in time:

Some idiot: we should put the 350 million people all under the same health care plan.

176 million other idiots: Sounds good to us!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 04, 2013 12:44 PM (IY7Ir)

359 I know what ace's first post will be:

‘Girls’ actor leaves show after realizing it is terrible
The most normal/ likable/ cutest male character on Lena Dunham’s cringe-inducing HBO series “Girls” has left the building.


Christopher Abbott, who played Marnie (Allison Williams’) on-off
boyfriend Charlie on the first two seasons of the polarizing show,
abruptly quit the series after reportedly “butting heads” with Dunham.



A source told the paper that Abbott didn’t “like the direction”
things were going on the third season of the show. Or perhaps he just
realized he didn’t want to be forever typecast as a boring, milquetoast
character on a show with lots ofgratuitousand awkward, floppy sex
scenes.


http://tinyurl.com/c76s6xs

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 12:45 PM (X6akg)

360 Egyptian Navy seizes ship in Red Sea carrying 60,000 firearms: sniper-rifles, AK-47s, RPGs, vast amounts of ammo; report: Ship is Iranian, unknown course
I'm thinking... Hamas? Hezbollah? All those places that are now so easily reachable since the Muzzie Bro'hood took over in Egypt and essentially ripped up the Camp David Accord.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 12:45 PM (4df7R)

361
"Yeah, good, dandy, but who invited the prick in the first place?"
...
Someone with a better medical insurance plan than you, that's who.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 12:45 PM (lbiWb)

362 How about we increase the incentives for people to die?


The Eskimos used to put their old people on icebergs and let them drift out into the warm sea

But hey I guess with Global Warming and the Icebergs melting that is out? To bad ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:46 PM (9Bj8R)

363 Christopher Abbott, who played Marnie..."


Hahahahahaha!!!!

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:46 PM (GQ8sn)

364 Someone with a better medical insurance plan than you, that's who.
Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 12:45 PM (lbiWb)

Well maybe not. Tricare ( Military) is pretty damn good and almost free comparetively

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:47 PM (9Bj8R)

365
"I'm thinking... Hamas? Hezbollah"
That's RACIST, dontchknow...
Simply an innocent Iranian ship headed to, say, France.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 12:47 PM (lbiWb)

366 Gunman reported at University of Rhode Island

And a million Democrats begin fapping in ecstacy. . .

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 04, 2013 12:47 PM (zF6Iw)

367 ‘Girls’ actor leaves show after realizing it is terribleThe most normal/ likable/ cutest male character on Lena Dunham’s cringe-inducing HBO series “Girls” has left the building.

*SNORT!* Good for him. Now is he just the first of many, that's the real question.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 12:48 PM (4df7R)

368 Yeah, good, dandy, but who invited the prick in the first place?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 12:43 PM (9Bj8R)

"sponsored by a Federal government agency"

answer.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 12:48 PM (qPCAa)

369 So I remember reading a long time ago and I don't recall the book (though I think it was Robert Frezza's A Small Colonial War) one of the characters said words to the effect that you got a right to eat, but that don't mean there is any food. Whole lotta people about to learn that lesson.

Posted by: Penfold at April 04, 2013 12:48 PM (Fbt5B)

370 Gunman reported at University of Rhode Island

But isn't URI a Gun Free Zone? Why is everybody freaking out? No guns allowed!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 12:49 PM (4df7R)

371 OT: I get to walk through one of the reactors at Indian Point tomorrow. It's pretty kewl.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 12:51 PM (D5hxK)

372 Hopefully the URI gunman will be like the UT gunman from last year and he'll chicken out and just kill himself instead of hurting other people.

Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2013 12:52 PM (wsGWu)

373 You have to pass it to find out what is in it.
The Unaffordable Care Act (AKA Obama Doesn't Care)
WASHINGTON — In a long-awaited interpretation of the new health care law, the Obama administration said Monday that employers must offer health insurance to employees and their children, but will not be subject to any penalties if family coverage is unaffordable to workers.
The requirement for employers to provide health benefits to employees is a cornerstone of the new law, but the new rules proposed by the Internal Revenue Service said that employers’ obligation was to provide affordable insurance to cover their full-time employees. The rules offer no guarantee of affordable insurance for a worker’s children or spouse. To avoid a possible tax penalty, the government said, employers with 50 or more full-time employees must offer affordable coverage to those employees. But, it said, the meaning of “affordable” depends entirely on the cost of individual coverage for the employee, what the worker would pay for “self-only coverage.”
The new rules, to be published in the Federal Register, create a strong incentive for employers to put money into insurance for their employees rather than dependents. It is unclear whether the spouse and children of an employee will be able to obtain federal subsidies to help them buy coverage — separate from the employee — through insurance exchanges being established in every state. The administration explicitly reserved judgment on that question, which could affect millions of people in families with low and moderate incomes.

Posted by: Islamic Victim Boy at April 04, 2013 12:52 PM (7QZ6R)

374 OT: I get to walk through one of the reactors at Indian Point tomorrow. It's pretty kewl.


See if you can get a spider to bite you.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:52 PM (GQ8sn)

375
Also, this means that the US is subsidizing the price controlled drug for Canadian citizens to some degree.

That's the bottom line. The drug companies figure they'll make up the loss in Canada in exchange for the much higher prices they can get in the US and in exchange for actually staying in the Canadian market.

If the US implements the same thing, all of a sudden the drug prices in Canada will shoot up.Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 12:25 PM (xSegX)

Pharma makes some money in Canada, Europe, and Japan, just not all that much. The American market is as big as all the others put together, which is why pharma companies fight for market share here.

If the US implements price controls, overseas prices may shoot up, but probably they won't pay them. Then pharma will get out of the pharma business. (I used to work in pharma, and the idea of shifting to another industry used to toyed with from time to time. Sound incredible? Look at GE, which is now essentially a financial services company. That was considered one model.)

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 12:52 PM (IDSI7)

376

OT but W.T.F?

Crazy: Phoenix To Recruit Minority Lifeguards Even If They Can’t Swim…

In a staggering case of affirmative action gone wild, officials in a major U.S. city are actually recruiting minorities to be lifeguards at public pools even if they’re not good swimmers. It’s all in the name of diversity.

You can’t make this stuff up. It’s a real-life story out of Phoenix, the capitol of Arizona and the nation’s sixth-largest city. It has more than 1.4 million residents and, among its official mottos is “value and respect” of diversity. This means “more than gender and race,” according to the city’s official website. It also encompasses “uniqueness and individuality” and embracing differences. “We put this belief into action to provide effective services to our diverse community.”



weaselzippers


Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:52 PM (XYSwB)

377 Hell.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 12:53 PM (IDSI7)

378 This is why we need a "panel" of sorts. To figure out who gets the chemo and who gets booted from the commune on a technicality.

Posted by: Whatev at April 04, 2013 12:53 PM (A7Wh1)

379 So I remember reading a long time ago and I don't recall the book (though I think it was Robert Frezza's A Small Colonial War) one of the characters said words to the effect that you got a right to eat, but that don't mean there is any food. Whole lotta people about to learn that lesson.

My 'bumper sticker' line to people when the discussion comes up is, "Notice how you never havea problem finding a dentist?" (dental, vision, prescription etc are, generally speaking, not funded through medicare).

Alternatively, "Food is necessary for quality of life. Perhaps the government should run the grocery stores?"

I cringe in anticipation of the answer to the second one.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at April 04, 2013 12:53 PM (BrQrN)

380 #364, Good, but not as good as Cappy Hill Coverage...

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 12:53 PM (lbiWb)

381 Gunman reported at University of Rhode Island

But isn't URI a Gun Free Zone? Why is everybody freaking out? No guns allowed!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 12:49 PM (4df7R)


Does "gunman reported at University of Rhode Island" mean "guy was walking along one of the streets" like it has before?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 12:53 PM (VtjlW)

382 Does "gunman reported at University of Rhode Island" mean "guy was walking along one of the streets" like it has before?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 12:53 PM (VtjlW)

are you serious?

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 12:54 PM (qPCAa)

383 OT: I get to walk through one of the reactors at Indian Point tomorrow. It's pretty kewl.See if you can get a spider to bite you.
Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:52 PM (GQ8sn)



That's the plan!

Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 12:54 PM (D5hxK)

384 #110 Your life? You didn't build that.

So, what difference does it make?????

Posted by: irishacres at April 04, 2013 12:55 PM (HVff2)

385
Shortly before the last electionI was with a group of very nice liberals (and well-off) my parents age. One of them has a business background, someone who really ought to understand this. But it was like running into a brick wall. Couldn't see the contradiction between "not cutting benefits"and cuttingMedicare reimbursements. It was the literal illustration of my old psyche professor's line "you can't argue with a delusion."
Bet they'll find a way to blame it all on the Republicans, not the Medicare budget cuts.

Posted by: meh at April 04, 2013 12:55 PM (+M8mt)

386 That's the plan!

Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 12:54 PM (D5hxK)

If anything kewl happens, remember...
With great power comes great responsibility. Use your powers only for good.


And for scoring hawt chicks!

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:56 PM (GQ8sn)

387 But mostly scoring hawt chicks.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at April 04, 2013 12:57 PM (BrQrN)

388

I know what ace's first post will be:



heh.

still laughing....

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:57 PM (XYSwB)

389 Maybe if Dems keep tanking the economy, they will unwittingly solve the illegal immigration issues as well. Who will want to move into the outhouse?

Posted by: dogfish at April 04, 2013 12:57 PM (NuPNl)

390 Almost 1PM EST.

'Bout time for ace to wake up and knock the hobo entrails off his chin.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 12:58 PM (GQ8sn)

391
"Does "gunman reported at University of Rhode Island" mean "guy was walking along one of the streets" like it has before"
Apparently, yes. AP reporting:
"Police are investigating reports of a gunman at the University of Rhode Island.
Steven O'Donnell, head of the Rhode Island State Police, tells The Associated Press on Thursday that there is no evidence of an active shooter. Democrats and women hardest hit"
(I may have edited the last part)

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 12:58 PM (lbiWb)

392 My former hippie Marxist millionaire doctor uncle hates him some Obamacare. Completely ruining his practice, he says. All due to Republicans blocking single payer and caring only about the rich(er than him).

Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 12:58 PM (D5hxK)

393 Slightly on topic

I guess the unions got to the Fast food industry apparently there's a "strike" in NYC.

No shit you can't survive on minimum wage people, it's an entirely skillless job at that point.
(And even 10 years ago, I made more than what minimum wage is NOW working at a McD's by working opening shifts for the differential and working hard. And I didn't even become a swing manager.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 04, 2013 12:59 PM (cdwHs)

394 That's the plan!
Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 12:54 PM (D5hxK)

Make sure it's the right kind of spider.

You'd hate to wind up with a lame spider's powers.

Try to find a wolf spider.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 12:59 PM (qPCAa)

395 Does "gunman reported at University of Rhode Island" mean "guy was walking along one of the streets" like it has before?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 12:53 PM (VtjlW)


Ah yes, I remember that! Where did that happen? I remember the event, but not the locale.

Maybe this alleged gunman is just someone walking around carrying a Pop Tart. I mean, a girl wrapped in a blanket looks like a KKK member at Oberlin, so, y'know, a guy walking around with an assault Tart could trigger a false alarm.

(Mind you, I don't want to joke around if this IS a genuine, dangerous situation, in which case hopefully a legal gun owner can take the loony down before s/he hurts anyone)

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 12:59 PM (4df7R)

396 Fuck it. All this health care talk is guilting me into going for a run. And it's actually sunny and half ass warm today, so there should be tons of hawt co-eds out and about.

Too bad I don't have any great powers. Oh...right, and married and stuff.

Later all.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at April 04, 2013 12:59 PM (BrQrN)

397 Bet they'll find a way to blame it all on the Republicans, not the Medicare budget cuts.

Posted by: meh


The intended point of the 2nd article in the post does just that.

"Cancer clinics across the country have begun turning away thousands of Medicare patients, blaming the sequester budget cuts. "

SEE! It's those damn, dirty ReThuGGGlikanZ and their cutting!

And the GOP waddles around, blinking, and wondering what's going on.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 04, 2013 12:59 PM (mN8D3)

398 ‘Girls’ actor leaves show after realizing it is terrible
The most normal/ likable/ cutest male character on Lena Dunham’s cringe-inducing HBO series “Girls” has left the building.



somebody fubored the contract

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 12:59 PM (XYSwB)

399 Prior to WWII, employers generally did NOT provide health insurance. Health insurance became a benefit due to wage controls during the war. To compete for scarce workers, employers started providing it.

Comprehensive health insurance was originally something that only the PRODUCTIVE received.

Posted by: Al at April 04, 2013 01:00 PM (V70Uh)

400 Does "gunman reported at University of Rhode Island" mean "guy was walking along one of the streets" like it has before?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 12:53 PM (VtjlW)

are you serious?
Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 12:54 PM (qPCAa)



Yeah, I want to say it was somewhere in Ohio but it turned out the "gunman on campus" was someone legally carrying who was walking down a street that ran parallel to the school or may have possibly crossed campus for a bit.


Then there's always the ECU Umbrella Scare - http://abcn.ws/sz7at4

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 01:00 PM (VtjlW)

401
The Affordable Care Act rolls back payment rates for hospitals and insurers. It does not, however, change the basket of benefits that patients have access to.

The stupidity of this statement is astounding. So suppose ACA "rolled back" payment rates to zero. Patients would still have access to the same "basket of benefits," except no one would actually provide those benefits. It'd be like going to a restaurant with no food, but lots of menus.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 01:00 PM (IDSI7)

402 Appears Ben Howe is pissed about whatever the kerfuffle was over his piece at Buzzfeed......



@BenHoweI love a lot of people at breitbart.com. And I surely can't speak for everyone at RedState. But I am done with that website.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:00 PM (X6akg)

403
#399,
That's Racist. Or Sexist. Or something.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 01:01 PM (lbiWb)

404 Fuck it. All this health care talk is guilting me into going for a run. And it's actually sunny and half ass warm today, so there should be tons of hawt co-eds out and about.

Too bad I don't have any great powers. Oh...right, and married and stuff.

Later all.
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at April 04, 2013 12:59 PM (BrQrN)



same

time to workout


bbiab

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 04, 2013 01:01 PM (XYSwB)

405 With great power comes great responsibility.

With a great ass comes great responsibility:

http://tinyurl.com/clxakrt

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 04, 2013 01:01 PM (zF6Iw)

406 It's next to impossible to convince otherwise semi-intelligent Canucks howpoorly fully run government healthcare functions. They all experience it at various points in life, but connecting the dots is next to impossible for them.

What's even worse is the attitude that "It sucks but we're good people for having it."

When people lose touch with religion, they start looking for salvation via the state.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 01:01 PM (T0NGe)

407 Posted by: meh at April 04, 2013 12:55 PM (+M8mt)

Most liberals believe that WWII ended the depression because the government just created money from nothing and used it to buy a bunch of airplanes.

So the same thing is going to happen here, just with x-ray machines, or something.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:02 PM (qPCAa)

408 Try to find a wolf spider.

Do they do anything except look scary?

Mugiwara needs to find this spider:

http://news.sky.com/story/1073751/tarantula-the-size-of-a-human-face-discovered

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:02 PM (GQ8sn)

409 URI has cancelled classes for the rest of the day...

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:02 PM (X6akg)

410 The computerized health system overhaul is what really scares me. I have heard horror stories from my friend who works in a hospital. They had a perfectly functional system that they all knew inside and out, but were forced to change to a new system because of the computerized health care portion of ObamaCare. Because of the way certain things are on drop down menus, and the close proximity in numbers for certain tests, the doctors have already many times ordered the wrong test be performed.


I know some folks here work on the medical systems so maybe my perception is wrong, but it kind of sounds like from what she was telling me, the people who designed the interfaces weren't necessarily front line emergency room workers and so didn't take a lot of needs in that setting into account. The system seems to work best in a low stress setting and for people who spend a large part of their day doing data entry, not saving lives.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 04, 2013 01:03 PM (RZ8pf)

411 Then there's always the ECU Umbrella Scare - http://abcn.ws/sz7at4
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 01:00 PM (VtjlW)

Umbrellas ARE scary.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:03 PM (qPCAa)

412
No shit you can't survive on minimum wage people, it's an entirely skillless job at that point.

Here's my question to these people: what would you hire each other to do?

Answer: not much, because they have no skills. So that's why you can't command top dollar, numbskulls.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 01:03 PM (IDSI7)

413 Ah yes, I remember that! Where did that happen? I remember the event, but not the locale.

Indianapolis. I'm pretty sure it's legal in the state to walk around openly carrying a long gun, not sure about inside the city limits, but anyway I'm still convinced this "armed white man" that only one student saw and who was never found was probably carrying something innocuous. Telescope, lab apparatus, artwork. Things you would expect to see on a college campus.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 04, 2013 01:04 PM (/kI1Q)

414 Try to find a wolf spider.

Do they do anything except look scary?

Mugiwara needs to find this spider:

http://news.sky.com/story/1073751/tarantula-the-size-of-a-human-face-discovered
Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:02 PM (GQ8sn)

AWESOME! I love it when we find new species.

Wolf spiders are badass hunters and can see well and jump and stuff.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:05 PM (qPCAa)

415
"The system seems to work best in a low stress setting and for people who spend a large part of their day sitting on their ever enlarging a$$es, all the while bitching about everything and yelling about who got kicked off of AmericanSurviorDancing, not saving lives. "

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 01:05 PM (lbiWb)

416 Imagine the shock of the Obama voters when they realize their premiums are going to skyrocket and they are going to get less coverage and care.
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 04, 2013 10:49 AM (u0Z3Y)
___________________________

We tried to tell them. It's just too damn bad that the RNC and Romney did such a poor job of explaining to seniors just how badly they're going to be screwed by Obamacare (so that all our newly-legalized "children of God" from Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, etc., can get their $20k a year Obamacare policies paid for by U.S. taxpayers).

I actually saw a Florida congressman on t.v. referring to the $716 billion in Medicare cuts (to fund Obamacare) as "Medicare savings." LOL. You can't make this shit up.

Posted by: Horrified Observer at April 04, 2013 01:06 PM (/sohm)

417 I'm still convinced this "armed white man" that only one student saw and who was never found was probably>>

Eating a Pop Tart.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 04, 2013 01:06 PM (81UWZ)

418 Try to find a wolf spider.

Do they do anything except look scary?

Mugiwara needs to find this spider:

http://news.sky.com/story/1073751/tarantula-the-size-of-a-human-face-discovered
Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:02 PM (GQ8sn)

AWESOME! I love it when we find new species.

Wolf spiders are badass hunters and can see well and jump and stuff.
Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:05 PM (qPCAa)



Ohhhhh Bannion. It appears we have some volunteers for the Ravage's afternoon exercise.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 01:06 PM (VtjlW)

419 Blog Of The Year.

Now with 40% less content!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 04, 2013 01:06 PM (CJjw5)

420 Wanna bet someone didn't finish their term paper that was due today?


Rhode
Island State Police Superintendent Colonel Steven O'Donnell has issued
the following statement regarding the report of a shooter on the URI
campus within the hour.

"A phone call was made in the last hour
from the URI campus reporting an active shooter on campus. URI, South
Kingstown Police, and State Police were dispatched to respond to the
situation. At this time, we have no further evidence to support the
report and are responding to the incident."


From URI FB page....apparently their website can't handle the volume it's getting so they're updating via FB and twitter.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:07 PM (X6akg)

421 First off, spiders should be hunted to extinction. I don't care what it does to the ecosystem.

Posted by: Whatev at April 04, 2013 01:08 PM (A7Wh1)

422
#419,
It's one o'clock (East Coast) on a Thursday. Whaddya expect?

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 01:08 PM (lbiWb)

423 Blog Of The Year.

Now with 40% less content!
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 04, 2013 01:06 PM (CJjw5)



I just want to know who our beloved Head Ewok was batting around like a cat toy on twitter.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 01:08 PM (VtjlW)

424 Do these people know that their own laws would ensure that off-duty cops could carry too? They want all kinds of authority figures to carry but don't seem to realize that such people might actually do so.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 01:08 PM (T0NGe)

425 We can't live on $7.50 an hour!


Well, touchscreens sure can.

http://tinyurl.com/43b776x

(From 2011 though)

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 01:08 PM (fWAjv)

426 t's next to impossible to convince otherwise semi-intelligent Canucks howpoorly fully run government healthcare functions. They all experience it at various points in life, but connecting the dots is next to impossible for them.


I think it's partly fear. Fear of responsibility. It's already impossible here in the states to have a meaningful conversation about getting employers out of the insurance game, which is really the most logical thing that would fix a whole bunch of problems.

People are like "then I would have to find and pay for that shit myself! How will I do it!"

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:08 PM (qPCAa)

427 Wolf spiders are badass hunters and can see well and jump and stuff.


Did you also know that purses are one of the best places for spider to lay their egg sacs? All those little folds tucked close together, warm, and dry. It's a perfect breeding ground for them.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:08 PM (GQ8sn)

428 http://news.sky.com/story/1073751/tarantula-the-size-of-a-human-face-discovered

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:02 PM (GQ8sn)




I want you to know, EC, that YOU will be paying my electric bills for the next month and a half, because I will be sleeping with the lights on thanks to this story.*SHUDDER*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:09 PM (4df7R)

429 I just want to know who our beloved Head Ewok was batting around like a cat toy on twitter.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 01:08 PM (VtjlW)

If they ever redo the site (Please God NO), there needs to be an ace twitter ticker in one of the side bars.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:09 PM (qPCAa)

430 Wolf spiders are badass hunters and can see well and jump and stuff.
Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:05 PM (qPCAa)


Fun project -- you can find wolf spiders in the dark using a flashlight to make their eyes reflect the light back to you ("eye shine").

Posted by: Mindy at April 04, 2013 01:09 PM (wk9P4)

431
Reagan fiscal guru, David Stockman,has a new book out and he is painting a very ugly picture.
He makes the case that the tax cuts and spending increases (AKA the stimulus)have made the country “fiscally ungovernable” and the best part is that his main conclusion sounds like it comes from #Occupy … it all trickles up to the 1% thru Wall Street while actually having created no real recovery.
It seems the real “Emperor Has No Clothes” moment will be when somebody finally says that there really is no recovery.
I’m still waiting for Joe Biden to start talking about “Recovery Summer IV” but it all gets drown out by the SSM and gun control stuff.

Posted by: Milton Friedman at April 04, 2013 01:09 PM (7QZ6R)

432
Did you also know that purses are one of the
best places for spider to lay their egg sacs? All those little folds
tucked close together, warm, and dry. It's a perfect breeding ground for
them.



Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:08 PM (GQ8sn)


AtC....can I call in a strike?

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:10 PM (X6akg)

433 Wanna bet someone didn't finish their term paper that was due today?

Absolutely. Heck, when are URI's final exams? I know this early in april is a bit TOO early, but who knows what their school calendar looks like?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:10 PM (4df7R)

434
#425, Ever been to a "Sheetz"?
Oh, and I'm wondering how EC knows that (427)

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 01:11 PM (lbiWb)

435 I actually saw a Florida congressman on t.v.
referring to the $716 billion in Medicare cuts (to fund Obamacare) as
"Medicare savings." LOL. You can't make this shit up.

Posted by: Horrified Observer at April 04, 2013 01:06 PM (/sohm)


Rather than worry about "rebranding" and "messaging" and the rest of that Orwellian crap that gives good consultants a bad name, the GOP should be amassing a list of these lying turds and confront every fucking one of them on their lies to the public when they're up for re-election.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 04, 2013 01:11 PM (/1wLO)

436 426
t's next to impossible to convince otherwise semi-intelligent Canucks
howpoorly fully run government healthcare functions. They all experience
it at various points in life, but connecting the dots is next to
impossible for them.





I think it's partly fear. Fear of responsibility. It's already
impossible here in the states to have a meaningful conversation about
getting employers out of the insurance game, which is really the most
logical thing that would fix a whole bunch of problems.



People are like "then I would have to find and pay for that shit myself! How will I do it!"

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:08 PM (qPCAa)

_______
Also the Canadian MSM does a great job of portraying America's health care system as one where anyone short of $1M net worth gets turned away from a hospital when having a heart attack.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 01:11 PM (HDgX3)

437 OT: I can't tell the bad guys from the worse guys but this is pretty cool.

Syrian rebels blow up a tank.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/cl53cdl

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 04, 2013 01:11 PM (VlXYw)

438 Did you also know that purses are one of the best places for spider to lay their egg sacs? All those little folds tucked close together, warm, and dry. It's a perfect breeding ground for them.
Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:08 PM (GQ8sn)


Aaaaaaaaaand I hate you.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:12 PM (4df7R)

439 Ohhhhh Bannion. It appears we have some volunteers for the Ravage's afternoon exercise.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 01:06 PM (VtjlW)

My queen. I'm sorry to have brought up spiders. I will use my knowledge only to keep the spiders away from you. They don't scare me (unless they are hanging above my head).

Here is a lemon bar and a gin and tonic. Please use clemency.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:12 PM (qPCAa)

440 I want you to know, EC, that YOU will be paying my electric bills for
the next month and a half, because I will be sleeping with the lights on
thanks to this story.*SHUDDER*


The Face Spider?

It's a new species, so we clearly need to protect it, and study it, and learn about it so that we're better people and....what are you doing with that pipe wrench...*THUNK*

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:12 PM (GQ8sn)

441 424 Do these people know that their own laws would ensure that off-duty cops could carry too? They want all kinds of authority figures to carry but don't seem to realize that such people might actually do so.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 01:08 PM (T0NGe)


I just re-read H.L. Mencken's 'The Uplifters Try It Again.' - true then, still true today.


http://tinyurl.com/crprapp

The new law that it advocated, indeed, is one of the most absurd specimens of jackass legislation ever heard of, even in this paradise of legislative donkeyism. Its single and sole effect would be to exaggerate enormously all of the evils it proposes to put down. It would not take pistols out of the hands of rogues and fools; it would simply take them out of the hands of honest men.

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 01:13 PM (fWAjv)

442
the GOP should be amassing a list of these lying turds and confront every fucking one of them on their lies to the public when they're up for re-election.

You're under the false assumption that the GOP actually wants to change the status quo...

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 01:13 PM (lbiWb)

443 AtC....can I call in a strike?
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:10 PM (X6akg)



Hell yes.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 01:13 PM (VtjlW)

444 Also the Canadian MSM does a great job of portraying America's health care system as one where anyone short of $1M net worth gets turned away from a hospital when having a heart attack.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 01:11 PM (HDgX3)

LOL! Except pregnant illegal aliens?

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:13 PM (qPCAa)

445 Ohhhhh Bannion. It appears we have some volunteers for the Ravage's afternoon exercise.

Looks like you're off the hook, andycanuck. How fortunate she never saw your..."offering"...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at April 04, 2013 01:13 PM (fMiHM)

446 The Face Spider?

It's a new species, so we clearly need to protect it, and study it, and learn about it so that we're better people and....what are you doing with that pipe wrench...*THUNK*
Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:12 PM (GQ8sn)

It lives in war torn sri lanka. Just don't go there.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:14 PM (qPCAa)

447 Try to find a wolf spider. Do they do anything except look scary? Mugiwara needs to find this spider: http://news.sky.com/story/1073751/tarantula-the-size-of-a-human-face-discovered Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:02 PM (GQ8sn)


That's freaking awesome! I'm already hairy like tarantula, so maybe a good compatibility? Now where to find one in Buchanan... I know the puppy shop down the street, don't know if they sell other animals though. Wonder if I could sneak in a puppy!

Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 01:14 PM (D5hxK)

448 yeah we are starting the spring wave of bomb and bloodbath threats in the local high schools. They weirdly coincide with beautiful sunny days often.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 04, 2013 01:14 PM (RZ8pf)

449 426

I think it's partly fear. Fear of responsibility. It's already
impossible here in the states to have a meaningful conversation about
getting employers out of the insurance game, which is really the most
logical thing that would fix a whole bunch of problems.



People are like "then I would have to find and pay for that shit myself! How will I do it!"

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:08 PM
======

Agreed. When payer is insulated from the payee, all perspective is lost. This is actually what happened when income tax withholding was instituted. If individuals were required to write a check each month, or show up at the Tax Office with cash, there would be a revolt in no time.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:16 PM (aDwsi)

450 Fun project -- you can find wolf spiders in the dark using a flashlight to make their eyes reflect the light back to you ("eye shine").
Posted by: Mindy at April 04, 2013 01:09 PM (wk9P4)

That sounds like a fun homeschool science project. Where are my kids?

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:16 PM (qPCAa)

451 I was a dialysis patient for 4 years. The clinic I went to was owned by the nephrology practice I use. They were a relatively small chain and gave outastanding service.


Recent changes in how Medicare pays, caused by the ACA, have forced the owner to sell off the clinics to a national chain. Most kidney patients are chronically anemic because their kidneys do not produce the hormone that stimulates red blood cell production. They receive periodic shots of a synthetic form of EPO (the doping drug) to replace that hormone. It is very expensive, but extremely necessary.

Under the ACA, clinics can't bill for that separately. They receive a bundled payment per patient to cover all costs. For many clinics, they will lose money to the point that they can no longer stay open. These doctors sold out when they could.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at April 04, 2013 01:16 PM (Gkhxf)

452 It lives in war torn sri lanka. Just don't go there.
Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:14 PM (qPCAa)


And pray it doesn't hitch a ride on someone's luggage or in a shipping container full of cheap t-shirts bound for America.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:17 PM (4df7R)

453 And pray it doesn't hitch a ride on someone's luggage or in a shipping container full of cheap t-shirts bound for America.

Or someone's purse.


*runs*

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:18 PM (GQ8sn)

454 And pray it doesn't hitch a ride on someone's luggage or in a shipping container full of cheap t-shirts bound for America.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:17 PM (4df7R)

Well, we here at the the HQ don't have any reason to buy cheap t-shirts, so we're off the .... wait.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:18 PM (qPCAa)

455 What's with all the Ad Council ads lately? I feel like they're mocking us.

Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2013 01:19 PM (wsGWu)

456 450
Fun project -- you can find wolf spiders in the dark using a flashlight
to make their eyes reflect the light back to you ("eye shine").

Posted by: Mindy at April 04, 2013 01:09 PM (wk9P4)



That sounds like a fun homeschool science project. Where are my kids?

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:16 PM
========

Hmmm. I'm thinking that there may be a way to capitalize on this..., i.e., faux spiders..., kinda like rubber rattle snakes.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:19 PM (aDwsi)

457 Or someone's purse.*runs*
Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:18 PM (GQ8sn)


*waving pipe wrench above head* Yeah, you'd better run!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:19 PM (4df7R)

458 Hmmm. I'm thinking that there may be a way to capitalize on this..., i.e., faux spiders..., kinda like rubber rattle snakes.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:19 PM (aDwsi)


The first person who tries this on me gets a faceful of my Sock Full O' Pennies.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:20 PM (4df7R)

459 I've only seen one Wolf spider before, but it was a big one. It was about the size of a tennis ball and it had crawled up the vertical blinds of the sliding glass door to the backyard. I pointed it out to my wife and she ran upstairs to hide until I got rid of it.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:20 PM (GQ8sn)

460 Ahh, they even named one


Atypus affinis - AKA Purse Web Spider

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 01:20 PM (fWAjv)

461
#449,
Exactly. FWIW, the story was that "Friends" (inadvertently) helped support the '94 Republicans when one character got a job and complained "Who's FICA and why is he getting all of my money?".

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 01:21 PM (lbiWb)

462 What's with all the Ad Council ads lately? I feel like they're mocking us.
Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2013 01:19 PM (wsGWu)

What ad council ads are you talking about? The last ones I remember hearing were about "hey, you can talk to your kids when they are with you and teach them stuff! like the difference between non-fat and low-fat milk!"

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:21 PM (qPCAa)

463 457
Or someone's purse.*runs*

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:18 PM (GQ8sn)



*waving pipe wrench above head* Yeah, you'd better run!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:19 PM (4df7R)


Bostitch! Bostitch! Bostitch! Bostitch!

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:21 PM (X6akg)

464 *spinning in chair*

It's so nice outside. Maybe I should call in a gunman threat.

Nah. I'm not a lousy uni student.

*spinning more*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:21 PM (4df7R)

465 Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:18 PM (GQ8sn)

Or shoe boxes...usually the big ones that hold boots.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 04, 2013 01:21 PM (0zDXv)

466 Per my news feed on FB, Univ. of Rhode Island locked down due to "active shooter". No details. so it might be a kid with a wiffle ball bat or it might be something bad.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 04, 2013 01:22 PM (ZshNr)

467 The first person who tries this on me gets a faceful of my Sock Full O' Pennies.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:20 PM (4df7R)



Heh, I read that as Sock Full O' Penis, much like my bedtime attire.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 01:22 PM (D5hxK)

468 MWR you are cracking me up!

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:22 PM (qPCAa)

469 Bostitch! Bostitch! Bostitch! Bostitch!
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:21 PM (X6akg)


lol!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:22 PM (4df7R)

470 This thread is getting moldy. Where's the Ewok?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 04, 2013 01:22 PM (gvJDD)

471 I'm getting ads for car seat safety and heart attacks.

Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2013 01:22 PM (wsGWu)

472
"It's so nice outside"
*curses MWR* - it's 45 w/20MPH winds. Bleh.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 01:22 PM (lbiWb)

473 Bostitch! Bostitch! Bostitch! Bostitch!
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:21 PM (X6akg)


A Swingline is clearly better in this situation.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:23 PM (qPCAa)

474 Or shoe boxes...usually the big ones that hold boots.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 04, 2013 01:21 PM (0zDXv)

I'd figure the actual boot would be a better place.

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 01:23 PM (fWAjv)

475 Heh, I read that as Sock Full O' Penis, much like my bedtime attire.
Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 01:22 PM (D5hxK)


lol!

Now I've got a mental image of mugiwara as Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:23 PM (4df7R)

476 457
Or someone's purse.*runs*

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:18 PM (GQ8sn)



*waving pipe wrench above head* Yeah, you'd better run!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:19 PM
=========

MWR

Ah. I think you may be on to something. I'm thinking that one could easily classify a homeowner's political inclinations by the contents of their home. "Let's see..., this guy has a pipe wrench, this guy has a hemp loom...."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:23 PM (aDwsi)

477 Now I've got a mental image of mugiwara as Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers.


GIVEITAWAYGIVEITAWAYGIVEITAWAYNOW!!!

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:24 PM (GQ8sn)

478 >This thread is getting moldy. Where's the Ewok?



fighting a wolf spider infestation. The call went out a few minutes ago for a flame-thrower

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 01:24 PM (8sCoq)

479 Oh, and my kids drink whole milk. Because they're children. Who need fat for brain development./rant

Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2013 01:24 PM (wsGWu)

480 Find wolf spider holes in your yard. Will have a little tower of grass/sticks built up around it. Have a sharp stick or knife handy. Run water from hose down the hole till the spider comes to the top. From off to the side of the hole shove the stick down at an angle to keep it from going back down. Pry up.
You have caught a wolf spider.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 01:24 PM (r60DJ)

481 Oh, and my kids drink whole milk. Because they're children. Who need fat for brain development./rant
Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2013 01:24 PM (wsGWu)

don't get me started on yogurt.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:25 PM (qPCAa)

482 “It’s all based on a rumor,” a URI police dispatcher said. “We are still in lockdown. It’s only a rumor at this time, but we have to work on rumors as well.”

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 04, 2013 01:25 PM (ZshNr)

483 Now I've got a mental image of mugiwara as Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:23 PM (4df7R)



Well, now I know how guitar practice is going down tonight.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 01:25 PM (D5hxK)

484 474
Or shoe boxes...usually the big ones that hold boots.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 04, 2013 01:21 PM (0zDXv)



I'd figure the actual boot would be a better place.

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 01:23 PM
===========

Most outdoor types (and soldiers) know to shake their boots out before donning.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:25 PM (aDwsi)

485 I DEMAND THE PREMIUM AWARD WINNING CONTENT I'VE PAID FOR!!1!11!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at April 04, 2013 01:25 PM (gvJDD)

486 Those crazy Indians....dot not feather.


Engineering students from India claim
to have made underwear that could thwart would-be rapists by jolting
them with an electric shock as they try to attack a woman.
The students fromSRM University
inChennai call the prototype of the anti-rape underwear “Society
Harnessing Equipment” (SHE) and hope to someday introduce commercial
versions of it.
“The lingerie with global positioning
system (GPS), global system for mobile communications (GSM) and also
pressure sensors, is capable of sending shock waves of 3,800 kV as well
as alerts to parents and police,” Manisha Mohan, one of the developers,
said


http://tinyurl.com/cyxycch

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:26 PM (X6akg)

487 Rather than worry about "rebranding" and "messaging"
and the rest of that Orwellian crap that gives good consultants a bad
name, the GOP should be amassing a list of these lying turds and
confront every fucking one of them on their lies to the public when
they're up for re-election.


Posted by: Captain Hate at April 04, 2013 01:11 PM (/1wLO)


I don't think the White Flag Party has it in them

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 01:26 PM (1Jaio)

488 "don't get me started on yogurt"

My favorite is the "fat free" half/half. What the #*@ is in the other "half"?

Corn Syrup, apparently.

Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2013 01:26 PM (wsGWu)

489 I DEMAND THE PREMIUM AWARD WINNING CONTENT I'VE PAID FOR!!1!11!

Due to Medicare and sequester cuts, your award winning blog content will no longer be provided as of April 4 2013.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:27 PM (GQ8sn)

490 My favorite is the "fat free" half/half. What the #*@ is in the other "half"?

Mmmm. Modified food starch. *homer*

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 04, 2013 01:27 PM (/kI1Q)

491 You have caught a wolf spider.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 01:24 PM (r60DJ)

Dust with salted and peppered flour, then dip in an egg wash, then once more into the flour.

Pan fry for 3-5 minutes, until a nice crust forms.

Serve hot on a bed of garlic mashed potatoes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 04, 2013 01:27 PM (0zDXv)

492 *runs*
Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:18 PM (GQ8sn)


It's so cute that you want to die tired.


Also I am currently adding people to The List. Soon, my pretties. Soon.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 01:27 PM (VtjlW)

493 Don't know if this is from the AdCouncil but I hate the shit out of it -

“Don’t do drugs/Drugs are bad!
Don’t do drugs/Drugs are bad
You’ll look like a thug/ And you’ll make your father mad/
Don’t do drugs/Drugs are bad
Don’t do drugs/Drugs are bad
And make your mother sad/ Don’t do drugs/ Drugs are bad/ Don’t do drugs/ Drugs are bad!”

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 01:27 PM (fWAjv)

494 My favorite is the "fat free" half/half. What the #*@ is in the other "half"?

Corn Syrup, apparently.
Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2013 01:26 PM (wsGWu)

LOL!

I had to talk a family member down from buying "light cream" once.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:28 PM (qPCAa)

495 It's so cute that you want to die tired.





Also I am currently adding people to The List. Soon, my pretties. Soon.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 01:27 PM (VtjlW)



I'm going to hide in a 'spider hole'.

tee hee!!!

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:28 PM (GQ8sn)

496 *curses MWR* - it's 45 w/20MPH winds. Bleh.
Posted by: Kitty Frontage, previously known as Jess1 at April 04, 2013 01:22 PM (lbiWb)


Where I'm from, that IS a nice day! lol!

It's about 46 here now, but the wind is calmer than it's been; only around 7mph. So at least I don't have your wind chill!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:28 PM (4df7R)

497 Where's the Ewok?

Probably on twitter haranguing a semi-celebrity.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 04, 2013 01:29 PM (xIzGn)

498 Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 01:27 PM (fWAjv)

OMGoodness! Seriously.

Don't they realize that those ads make kids want to do drugs?

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:29 PM (qPCAa)

499 479
Oh, and my kids drink whole milk. Because they're children. Who need fat for brain development./rant

=================


Low fat diets - the biggest fraud perpetrated on the American public.

And don't get me started with soy.....another fraud.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:30 PM (X6akg)

500 I seriously don't understand how my secretary can't get her onehours worth of workper month done. Been manning the desk all day today, would've died of boredom by now if it weren't for the HQ

Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 01:31 PM (D5hxK)

501 OMGoodness! Seriously.

Don't they realize that those ads make kids want to do drugs?

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:29 PM (qPCAa)


The text doesn't do it justice. Listening to it it is a woman that sounds like she just got done exercising and is attempting to 'tap' it.

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 01:32 PM (fWAjv)

502 And don't get me started with soy.....another fraud.

Soy milk? Gross.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:32 PM (GQ8sn)

503 Low fat diets - the biggest fraud perpetrated on the American public.

And don't get me started with soy.....another fraud.
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:30 PM (X6akg)


Not to mention they all taste like shit

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 04, 2013 01:33 PM (9Bj8R)

504 rap it

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 01:33 PM (fWAjv)

505 The text doesn't do it justice. Listening to it it is a woman that sounds like she just got done exercising and is attempting to 'tap' it.
Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 01:32 PM (fWAjv)

You know. I stopped listening to radio about 6 months ago. I vaguely recall hearing this ad a number of times. I'm starting to think there may be a connection.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:33 PM (qPCAa)

506 Oops. Got some of the commercial wrong.


Don't do drugs, you'll end up like a thug.
You'll make your mother sad and make your father mad.
Don't do drugs, drugs are bad.
Don't tow that line, you'll think it's one time.
You'll start doing crack and you'll have a heart attack...
Don't do drugs, drugs are bad.
You'll make your mother sad.

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 01:34 PM (fWAjv)

507
My favorite is the "fat free" half/half. What the #*@ is in the other "half"?

Fat.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 04, 2013 01:34 PM (IDSI7)

508 Engineering students from India claim to have made underwear that could thwart would-be rapists by jolting them with an electric shock as they try to attack a woman.

See, here's my question about this. Actually two questions.

1) What's to stop the underwear from shocking the hell out of the woman wearing them? And
2) How do the panties tell the difference between "Help, help, I'm being attacked by a rapist," and "Oh, yes, Rajat, take me now."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:34 PM (4df7R)

509 38 deg..., and raining. Nice day.

Whan that Aprill with his shoures sote
The droghte of Marche hath perced to the rote,
And bathed every veyne in swich licour,....


Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:34 PM (aDwsi)

510 But soy's great. Man boobs are sexy, right?

Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2013 01:35 PM (wsGWu)

511 "Oh, yes, Rajat, take me now."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:34 PM (4df7R)

kill switch.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:35 PM (qPCAa)

512
See, here's my question about this. Actually two questions.



1) What's to stop the underwear from shocking the hell out of the woman wearing them? And

2) How do the panties tell the difference between "Help, help, I'm
being attacked by a rapist," and "Oh, yes, Rajat, take me now."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:34 PM (4df7R)

Also, do women really want a high voltage electrical charge going off near their nether regions? A misfire could be.....shocking!

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:36 PM (GQ8sn)

513 So, what should I do with my kids for the rest of today? It's about 45 degrees and sunny and karate class was cancelled. I don't want to let them play with my iphone all day.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:36 PM (qPCAa)

514 510
But soy's great. Man boobs are sexy, right?

=======

Could be the reason so many 20 - 30 something males are girly men.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:36 PM (X6akg)

515 513
So, what should I do with my kids for the rest of today? It's about 45
degrees and sunny and karate class was cancelled. I don't want to let
them play with my iphone all day.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:36 PM (qPCAa)


Get out the vacuum....and dust rags.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:37 PM (X6akg)

516 Don't do drugs, you'll end up like a thug.
You'll make your mother sad and make your father mad.


A) this assumes the drug user HAS a father (far from guaranteed these days); and
B) Yes, by all means, let's just tell the kid, "So you'll make your father mad, and you know what happens when daddy gets mad, don't you?"

And why is THE FATHER the one getting mad? My mother would have slapped me silly if I ever did drugs, because she'd want to make sure to get a piece of me before my father turned the rest of me to pulp.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:37 PM (4df7R)

517 513
So, what should I do with my kids for the rest of today? It's about 45
degrees and sunny and karate class was cancelled. I don't want to let
them play with my iphone all day.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:36 PM
=========

Check to see if there is a passing band of Gypsies. That is what my mother always threatened...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:38 PM (aDwsi)

518 Get out the vacuum....and dust rags.
Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:37 PM (X6akg)

Oh hey! good idea. They love to vacuum!

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:38 PM (qPCAa)

519 See, here's my question about this. Actually two questions. 1) What's to stop the underwear from shocking the hell out of the woman wearing them? And 2) How do the panties tell the difference between "Help, help, I'm being attacked by a rapist," and "Oh, yes, Rajat, take me now." Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:34 PM (4df7R)Also, do women really want a high voltage electrical charge going off near their nether regions? A misfire could be.....shocking!
Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:36 PM (GQ8sn)



And where would you fit the battery pack? Oh wait, nevermind...

Posted by: mugiwara at April 04, 2013 01:38 PM (D5hxK)

520 Check to see if there is a passing band of Gypsies. That is what my mother always threatened...
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:38 PM (aDwsi)

Did your mom know my dad?

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:38 PM (qPCAa)

521 you gotta buy the traditional plain Greek yogurt

then add stuff to it- fruit, honey

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 01:38 PM (8sCoq)

522 So, what should I do with my kids for the rest of today? It's about 45
degrees and sunny and karate class was cancelled. I don't want to let
them play with my iphone all day.


Aside from Wolf spider hunting, you could take them to the carwash, the ones where you spray the car down with that gun-hose.

When I met my wife, she had three boys. One day I took them all to the carwash to wash her minivan. I brought $10 worth of quarters and let them take turns pretending to be a fireman and hose down her van. It was the greatest thing ever to them! They still talk about it today.

Posted by: EC at April 04, 2013 01:39 PM (GQ8sn)

523 So, what should I do with my kids for the rest of today? It's about 45 degrees and sunny and karate class was cancelled. I don't want to let them play with my iphone all day.
Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:36 PM (qPCAa)



I think a wee bit of playing the Most Dangerous Game will suffice.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 01:39 PM (VtjlW)

524
Check to see if there is a passing band of Gypsies. That is what my mother always threatened...


Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:38 PM (aDwsi)


My mother told us to go play in traffic....she was a marine.

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:39 PM (X6akg)

525 >So, what should I do with my kids for the rest of today?



start a family band

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 01:40 PM (8sCoq)

526 521
you gotta buy the traditional plain Greek yogurt



then add stuff to it- fruit, honey

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 01:38 PM
=========

I am not a fruit...., and don't call me 'honey'

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:40 PM (aDwsi)

527 I think a wee bit of playing the Most Dangerous Game will suffice.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 01:39 PM (VtjlW)

What's the Most Dangerous Game?

Or does this fall under Rule #1?

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:40 PM (qPCAa)

528 This reminds me of the time when Obama was trying to figure out the mechanics of shooting a three-pointer.

2 for 22 ain't bad when you're a sex symbol.

Posted by: Fritz at April 04, 2013 01:40 PM (WM+rJ)

529 45 and sunny

let them go outside and play....actually make them go outside and play.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 01:40 PM (GVxQo)

530 Oh great. Chaucer now?

Posted by: Jess1 at April 04, 2013 01:41 PM (lbiWb)

531 tell them to gather materials to make sling shots

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 01:41 PM (GVxQo)

532
why do I get the sense that a bank in Kingston, RI is being robbed?

maybe because it's what I'd do -- what better diversion than a "gunman" near a school?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 04, 2013 01:41 PM (BUcLz)

533 you gotta buy the traditional plain Greek yogurt

then add stuff to it- fruit, honey
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 04, 2013 01:38 PM (8sCoq)

It's hard to find full fat plain yogurt. Though I have seen them. I'm basically a grocery store stalker for whole milk plain yogurt.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:42 PM (qPCAa)

534 Whan that Aprill with his shoures soteThe droghte of Marche hath perced to the rote,And bathed every veyne in swich licour,....
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:34 PM (aDwsi)


*HAPPY SIGH*

I am such a geek. I was the only student in my high school Brit Lit class who was upset we didn't have to memorize and then recite the Prologue in the original middle english. I'd been looking forward to it for at least six years at that point, and my class was the FIRST YEAR they didn't do it.

My favorite part:

"...So priketh hem nature in hir corages;
Than longen folk to goon on pilgrimages..."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 04, 2013 01:42 PM (4df7R)

535 524

Check to see if there is a passing band of Gypsies. That is what my mother always threatened...




Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:38 PM (aDwsi)


My mother told us to go play in traffic....she was a marine.


Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:39 PM
=================

So..., the tired old (now abandoned) epithet, "You mother wears combat boots!", kinda lost it's steam. "Why, yes..., she does. Care to make something of it?"

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:43 PM (aDwsi)

536 Nood

Posted by: Tami at April 04, 2013 01:43 PM (X6akg)

537 let them go outside and play....actually make them go outside and play.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 01:40 PM (GVxQo)


Oh, phoenixgirl, I would totally do that if we did not live in this total hipster urban D.C. neighborhood with no yard and cars whizzing by our front door. Those kids would be outside at the crack of dawn and I wouldn't let them back in until dinner.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:44 PM (qPCAa)

538
btw, it looks like the only way we'll get illegals to "come out of the shadows" and pay taxes is to let them win the lottery.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 04, 2013 01:44 PM (KwX0v)

539 530
Oh great. Chaucer now?

Posted by: Jess1 at April 04, 2013 01:41 PM
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Bonus points for reciting the first paragraph by heart.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:44 PM (aDwsi)

540 So, what should I do with my kids for the rest of today? It's about 45 degrees and sunny

That's lose-your-bike-in-a-mud-hole-and-walk-home-crying-with-cold-squishy-shoes day. Set 'em to it.

Kid bikes are cheap. You can buy about ten of them for the cost of replacing an iPhone that has kid germs all over it. (Do that, too.)

Posted by: oblig. at April 04, 2013 01:45 PM (cePv8)

541 What's the Most Dangerous Game?

Or does this fall under Rule #1?
Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:40 PM (qPCAa)



A. This - http://imdb.to/ZdOap6


B. Of course it falls under Rule #1. Everything does. Luckily, your prior offerings were sufficient to ensure that the usual Horde fuckwittery in response would not take place.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 04, 2013 01:45 PM (VtjlW)

542 My kids are currently LARPING Ni No Kuni, so I'm not sure I'm the best person to ask.

Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2013 01:45 PM (wsGWu)

543 Indianapolis. I'm pretty sure it's legal in the state to walk around openly carrying a long gun, not sure about inside the city limits, but anyway I'm still convinced this "armed white man" that only one student saw and who was never found was probably carrying something innocuous. Telescope, lab apparatus, artwork. Things you would expect to see on a college campus.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 04, 2013 01:04 PM (/kI1Q)

Yes, it's legal to carry a long gun openly in most places in Indiana. There are a few restrictions: courthouses, government buildings, x number of feet from polling areas, and so on (along with the usual federal restrictions). You can, however, be nailed on a brandishing charge if authorities think you're deliberately frightening people, so intent matters. For example, if you get in an argument with someone and show off your handgun (or wave your rifle, I suppose) in order to intimidate, then that's brandishing.

Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 01:45 PM (vtiE6)

544 CNN really is purging all the visible minorities.
http://is.gd/jNy0Z6

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 04, 2013 01:45 PM (/kI1Q)

545 My kids are currently LARPING Ni No Kuni, so I'm not sure I'm the best person to ask.
Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2013 01:45 PM (wsGWu)


Can we be friends?

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:46 PM (qPCAa)

546 So we are are telling NK we will regime change them if they nuke us. I doubt they can nuke us, but still, "regime change?" There has to be a scarier response to nukes, Obama... Is he the first POTUS to imply we WILL NOT nuke anyone back for nuking us?

Posted by: Baldy at April 04, 2013 01:46 PM (opS9C)

547 513 So, what should I do with my kids for the rest of today? It's about 45 degrees and sunny and karate class was cancelled. I don't want to let them play with my iphone all day.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:36 PM (qPCAa)


Let's see, you have more than one kid, and KARATE class was canceled.

Stage a cage match for charity?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at April 04, 2013 01:47 PM (bxiXv)

548 542
My kids are currently LARPING Ni No Kuni, so I'm not sure I'm the best person to ask.

Posted by:at April 04, 2013 01:45 PM
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My god, I'm getting old. I have NO idea what that means...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:47 PM (aDwsi)

549 *stares at his carton of chocolate soymilk*


But ;_; it tastes good...

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at April 04, 2013 01:47 PM (5SJfP)

550 "Can we be friends?"
Definitely! In fact...I have no idea how to Skype because I'm lame, but if your kids want some fellow homeschool nerds to talk to, I'm sure we could figure something out

Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2013 01:48 PM (wsGWu)

551 New thread

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 01:49 PM (aDwsi)

552 It's been a while since I mentioned I like spider. That Sri Lankan little buddy is cute!

Mind you, I'm not saying I like them landing on my face when I sleep or anything. I toss and turn, they could get hurt!

Also, never eat a spider, especially a tarantula. Their hairs have barbs and can get into your lungs, after which Bad Things Happen.

Also, the spider won't like it either.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at April 04, 2013 01:49 PM (bxiXv)

553 The Moron Homeschool Network? That's awesome!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at April 04, 2013 01:50 PM (bxiXv)

554 "My god, I'm getting old. I have NO idea what that means..."

LARPing= Live Action Role Playing. Basically, they're all pretending to be different characters from the (absolutely wonderful) video game Ni No Kuni.
Like I said, total nerds.

Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2013 01:50 PM (wsGWu)

555
Proposal to nationalize hospitals in 3... 2... 1...

Posted by: junior at April 04, 2013 01:50 PM (UWFpX)

556 Older generation to dems: Look, this isn't working. What can we do to correct it?

Dems: DIE!

Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2013 01:51 PM (G/r7R)

557
I remember when CNN didn't hate Blacks.
Anyone remember Bernard Shaw?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 04, 2013 01:52 PM (QVBzT)

558 Definitely! In fact...I have no idea how to Skype because I'm lame, but if your kids want some fellow homeschool nerds to talk to, I'm sure we could figure something out
Posted by: Lauren at April 04, 2013 01:48 PM (wsGWu)

Yay! I'll post again on the next one, in case you miss this.

where are you? btw?

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:53 PM (qPCAa)

559
wow, Drudge has 9 top links on the North Korea situation
I wonder if something might be going on?

Posted by: rain of lead at April 04, 2013 01:55 PM (II9Uz)

560 It's been a while since I mentioned I like spider. That Sri Lankan little buddy is cute!
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at April 04, 2013 01:49 PM (bxiXv)

I like spiders, too. I had a Grammastola Rosea tarantula for four years. Her name was Betty. She had this honey-blonde coloring and these pretty little onyx eyes. She didn't do any tricks, but I liked having her around. I only handled her when I cleaned out her habitat but she was always peaceable, never a problem.

Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 01:55 PM (vtiE6)

561
My Dad's GP went nuts and got arrested for shooting guns off his front porch. He's also getting discharged from a nursing home this Saturday and needs to see a GP as soon as possible after his discharge.

Almost every doctor I called was not accepting new patients. The reason why: the newest changes with insurance under Obamacare. It was the same with every doctor. They told me their phones have been ringing off the hook since the changes took place.

Thank God (literally) my GP took pity on me and accepted my father as a new patient. Now my brother has to find a new GP for himself, too. Nobody seems too interested in accepting him as a new patient.

Do as much as possible RIGHT NOW to get as much of your future medical care needs in order. And make contingency plans in case your doctor gets run over by a milk truck tomorrow. Things are only going to get worse - way worse - very soon.

Posted by: Ed Anger at April 04, 2013 01:56 PM (tOkJB)

562 559
wow, Drudge has 9 top links on the North Korea situation
I wonder if something might be going on?

Posted by: rain of lead at April 04, 2013 01:55 PM (II9Uz)

Kim Jong Un's rice supply is drying up, so he's rattling his cup.

I don't think it's anything particularly important.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 01:57 PM (xAtAj)

563 Okay, I've decided to do a wolf spider cage match with dust rags with the kids.

That counts as "health", "biology," "home ec", and "physical fitness."

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:57 PM (qPCAa)

564 I will totally volunteer for a position in the Moron Homeschool Network if there ever is such a thing.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:58 PM (qPCAa)

565 I got my LASIK done a month ago, but I'm guessing that's the only operation one can actually get by 2017 without bribes/moving to Canada.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 01:58 PM (xAtAj)

566 513 So, what should I do with my kids for the rest of today? It's about 45 degrees and sunny and karate class was cancelled. I don't want to let them play with my iphone all day.
Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 01:36 PM (qPCAa)

Made a vortex cannon with the nephews a couple of weeks ago. That was pretty fun, and easy.

Posted by: RWC at April 04, 2013 02:07 PM (fWAjv)

567 The commenters at WaPo are still going nuts trying to spin the Cancer Clinic fiasco. Good times!

Posted by: SurferDoc at April 04, 2013 02:14 PM (6H6FZ)

568 What we'll have is a system that gives everyone Health Care INSURANCE but there won't be any Health CARE available.

That's not a bug that's a feature.

The baby murdering centers were getting to be too few to affect the population change they wanted. (plus unfortunately, abortion doesn't help get rid of old people)

So they figure that even if the bill gets shot down at some point, the chaos and confusion of even it's attempted fulfillment will continue to help kill or shorten the lives of millions.

What environmentalist, anti energy, population reducing Marxist wouldn't love that program?

One good thing from the crypto Muslim, he's just cut a reelect John Boehner ad.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 02:38 PM (Kpn/z)

569 I only handled her when I cleaned out her habitat but she was always peaceable, never a problem.

Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 01:55 PM (vtiE6)


Ironically, most large spiders are relatively non-threatening, but they sure do scare people!

I have never kept them as pets. Jumping spiders are fun. They almost "play," unlike most spiders. They can bite, but I've never been bitten by one. I also don't run around handling wild spiders, in general.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at April 04, 2013 02:41 PM (bxiXv)

570 I heard part of Rush's show today where an MD called in and said the cuts to chemo were arbitrary by the gubmint and intended to cause bad PR for the sequester.

Over under: when do the GOP senators fold?

Posted by: PJ at April 04, 2013 03:13 PM (ZWaLo)

571 This was all planned, failure was the goal, when it happens we will see calls and a massive push for nationalized healthcare and it will be passed. These people are not stupid they are genius's at manipulating perception and tying it to a long term goal.

Posted by: Oldcrow at April 04, 2013 11:10 PM (WGUFs)






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