"The Bible" Finale Racks Up 11.7 Million Viewers

Not enough to win the night, but nearly so.

It also doubled the ratings of a very meh season debut of Game of Thrones.

The GoT season will, I imagine, get better. But George R. R. Martin does so much leisurely set-up it really takes a while for anything interesting to happen. I'm re-reading the third book, reading it more carefully and not just skimming to get to the good parts. I have to say, reading it this way is boring. He really does pad an awful, awful lot. Not only does he have a large number of "Check-In Chapters" -- stuff where nothing of importance happens, but he feels the need to regularly check-in with important characters who aren't doing much -- but even within those chapters he pads like the Dickens. Reading the Jamie chapters, for example-- Jamie obviously loathes Brienne and has loathed her now since the last book. But he'll write paragraphs like this:

What a stupid, ugly cow, Jamie smiled to himself. "You're a stupid, ugly cow," Jamie told her. Then he smiled to himself.

No, really, an entire chapter is like this, Jamie thinking the same thing, then Jamie saying the same thing, and, seriously, Jamie both thinking and saying the same thing in the same paragraph.

But, anyway, it does get better. The TV series is far better than the book in this respect: they cut a lot of the fat. And there is so much in need of cutting.

Posted by: Ace at 03:09 PM



Comments

1 Bitches.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:11 PM (xmcEQ)

2 George R. R. Martin and Robert Jordan have a lot in common and none of it good.

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at April 02, 2013 03:11 PM (HEa5q)

3 It smoked everything but the NCAA tourney. Bill Maher got smoked, The Office got smoked..........it's pwned everything else.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:12 PM (xmcEQ)

4 How'd the new Drake and Josh episode do?

Posted by: Dang at April 02, 2013 03:13 PM (R18D0)

5 MOESHA!

Posted by: Dang at April 02, 2013 03:13 PM (R18D0)

6 How can anyone stand to read books like that? I'd rather bash my head against a wall, and all I read was three short sentences.

Posted by: red sweater at April 02, 2013 03:14 PM (oATMN)

7 even within those chapters he pads like the Dickens.

LITERALLY like Dickens, who was paid by the word. Good grief. I don't even read the full novels at this point; I just skim for dialogue. Otherwise it's like banging my head against a wall of text.

Of course, George RR Martin is a lazyass progressive bastard, so I buy his books secondhand. So I really shouldn't complain.

And to be honest, I think Jamie has a soft spot for Brienne. Not a gooey, mushy thing, but I think he enjoys her company, for all that he tells her what an ugly whore she is.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:14 PM (4df7R)

8 I think that the quality of the acting makes up for whatever plodding plot devices remain from the books.

Those Brits know what they are doing when it comes to acting.

And the chicks have adorable accents.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2013 03:14 PM (0zDXv)

9 I think I was half way though book 2 when i stopped reading it. Once someone told me how long it was taking Martin to get the books out I opted to wait until he finished. I'm hoping that happens before he dies.

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at April 02, 2013 03:14 PM (HEa5q)

10 I watch so little TV other than golf, Top Gear, the cooking channels and the occasional rerun of the original CSI......We've got HBO free for some reason for 2 months and I've watched one thing on that........

TV just sucks.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:14 PM (xmcEQ)

11
My wife bought The Bible on blu-ray today at Target. Two racks of DVD, one of Blu-ray. There were three DVD copies left. She got the last Blu-Ray.

This is significant somehow.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Assault CAD Monkey at April 02, 2013 03:14 PM (K+mtQ)

12 Glad I am not the only one who noticed the similarity between Martin and Jordan. Ugh.

Posted by: NewEnglandDevil at April 02, 2013 03:15 PM (73P68)

13 The Game of Thrones link is broken, I'm thinking to myself. Hey ace? the Game of Thrones link is broken. I think.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 02, 2013 03:15 PM (QTHTd)

14
Fuck that Jamie. Jamie can go horsefuck his sister. And fuck his witch sister, too.

Posted by: soothsayer r.r. martin at April 02, 2013 03:16 PM (9Q7Nu)

15 I tried watching Game of Thrones. It was too much like The Sopranos mixed with Lord of the Rings.

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 02, 2013 03:16 PM (tVWQB)

16 "But, anyway, it does get better. The TV series is far better than the
book in this respect: they cut a lot of the fat. And there is so much
in need of cutting....."
Yeah Ace, that Bible book thing is kinda prolix, especially the 1st half. It could stand to get to the point quicker. Wait, what???

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2013 03:16 PM (BoE3Z)

17 It's so educational that I may get The Bible series on DVD. I'd need, oh, about 30 copies. A non-skid cover would be a plus.

Posted by: Deandre Poole, Ph.D. at April 02, 2013 03:16 PM (8ZskC)

18
"My wife bought The Bible on blu-ray today at Target"
Meh. I've got it in hardcover. Oh, and yes, GoT (otherwise known as LOTR w/t*ts) linkynoworky.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 03:17 PM (lbiWb)

19 >>>And to be honest, I think Jamie has a soft spot for Brienne. Not a gooey, mushy thing, but I think he enjoys her company, for all that he tells her what an ugly whore she is.

he does later, yes. I'm at the part where he is establishing, and re-establishing, and re-re-establishing, that he doesn't like her, and does so over three chapters of about thirty pages each.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:17 PM (LCRYB)

20 Glad I am not the only one who noticed the similarity between Martin and Jordan. Ugh.
Posted by: NewEnglandDevil at April 02, 2013 03:15 PM (73P6


I get that they're trying to establish these lush, expansive worlds with rich characters, blah, blah, but after a while it just gets BORING. Give me their names, where they're from, and let my head do the rest, kay?

Tolkien managed it in three books with "Lord of the Rings," then expanded upon it all with his other Middle-Earth books. He didn't take the "Silmarillion" and smush it into "Return of the King," even if sometimes it feels like he tried.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:17 PM (4df7R)

21 Given HBOs fancy "HBO Go" app, I'm not sure you can compere those two things directly. Many people will pick up GoTs later.

Not to belittle The Bible which kicked ass and took names. Hell even my wife sat down and watched the last hour of the finale.
(I felt like they rushed it a bit though TBH, Acts was a lot more detailed than that.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 02, 2013 03:17 PM (VB7ht)

22 Dragon lady is looking a bit tired. When the season started, I thought I was watching jailbait.

Posted by: waldo at April 02, 2013 03:18 PM (TE8aX)

23 Yeah Ace, that Bible book thing is kinda prolix, especially the 1st half. It could stand to get to the point quicker. Wait, what???
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2013 03:16 PM (BoE3Z)


He meant "Game of Thrones."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:18 PM (4df7R)

24 you know what was nice? my kids watched the bible with out being asked to. i didn't initiate it, they put it on and sat and watched it....on their own

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 02, 2013 03:18 PM (GVxQo)

25 I think the example of Jaime is a bad one bc (SPOILERS) as Jaime slowly changes his inner monolouge changes first, so he begins to see Brienne ina different light but isn't verbal about it until much later. So first Jaime thinks badly and speaks badly of Brienne, then Jaime's thinking of Brienne begins to change but he stills gives her a hard time and so on.

I really like the padding bc Martin hides a lot of details that rewards a reread. I know that isn't a positive quality for everyone but I really enjoy that aspect of his writing.

Posted by: thekid at April 02, 2013 03:18 PM (CEQxf)

26
The Others take you, Ace!

(A Feast For Crows...now that was a slog....)

Posted by: The Cat at April 02, 2013 03:18 PM (ggRof)

27 GRRM fills his book with so much repetition and nonessential material that I think he feels the need to frequently re-mention the stuff that is important, because he knows people are skimming (how could you not?). but then re-mentioning so many things adds to the bloat.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:19 PM (LCRYB)

28 I missed the GoT opener. Were there tits?

Posted by: Goathead at April 02, 2013 03:19 PM (uEm7J)

29 More dragons and less sex this season! Giving the fan boys what they want!

Posted by: Gheym of Thrones at April 02, 2013 03:19 PM (wIgpo)

30
That sounded like Jimmy Two Times

Posted by: Bigby's Rosy Palm at April 02, 2013 03:19 PM (3ZtZW)

31 Is Game of Thrones at a "Justified"level of binge-watching?

I can rack up the Netflix while I'm working at home and have been casting about for something else to play while on conference calls/hold - filing, et cetera.

So far I've been considering Weeds, Modern Family ... the entire Magnum PI oeuvre, et cetera. Any recommendations?

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 02, 2013 03:19 PM (19AvL)

32
"Jaime slowly changes his "
They've got a guy named "jaime"? Well, I wasn't going to watch it anyway...

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 03:19 PM (lbiWb)

33 Game of Thrones premiere sets piracy record

http://tinyurl.com/cnf9uvv

Posted by: Caustic at April 02, 2013 03:20 PM (/b8+5)

34 he does later, yes. I'm at the part where he is establishing, and re-establishing, and re-re-establishing, that he doesn't like her, and does so over three chapters of about thirty pages each.
Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:17 PM (LCRYB)


It's like GRRM is really, REALLY trying to establish that Jamie doesn't have much love lost for this Brienne lady, even though she carries a burning torch for the incestuous Adonis.

We get it, Georgie. Really, we do.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:20 PM (4df7R)

35 Are there any boobehs?

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2013 03:20 PM (Oa0Hi)

36 >>>And the chicks have adorable accents.

that show has a lot of good, attractive actresses who also take their clothes off and look really good naked.

even chicks you figured were way too classy to get naked, like Robb's future wife, get naked, and look good naked.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:20 PM (LCRYB)

37 There's a Game of Thrones style book in some of the Samuel / Kings tales.

Let's see... we can have David working with the Philistines and then usurping Saul's kingdom; we can have Amnon dorking Tamar quite against her will and then kicking her ass out of the bedroom; we can have the Uriah unpleasantness...

Or we can have everybody knifing each other up in the Northern Kingdom, and then Ahab having to unite everyone to block the Assyrians at Qarqar...

Or we can have the southern kingdom selling out to the Assyrians, and the Damascenes (under Hazael I think) and the Northern Kingdom uniting to bring the south back to heel...

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 02, 2013 03:21 PM (QTHTd)

38 Indeed. But I have to say, the GoT books are very good.

One deep thought by Tyrion I really thought about in book 5. It was his observation that many people choose slavery over death.

In fact, a slave's very existence is the fact that they choose life in chains over death/prison/torture for refusing.

I have thought this for a long time. Unless a people fight for their freedom, all is not well. The right of a people, of a civilization, to exist is paid in blood. Without that price, there is no real social evolution.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 02, 2013 03:21 PM (tVTLU)

39 Game of Thrones premiere sets piracy record



http://tinyurl.com/cnf9uvv

Posted by: Caustic at April 02, 2013 03:20 PM (/b8+5)


Good.

FUCK HBO.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:21 PM (xmcEQ)

40 Pew Research Center:

As the Obama administration approaches a decision on the Keystone XL pipeline, a national survey finds broad public support for the project. Two-thirds of Americans (66%) favor building the pipeline, which would transport oil from Canada’s oil sands region through the Midwest to refineries in Texas. Just 23% oppose construction of the pipeline.

Support for the pipeline spans most demographic and partisan groups. Substantial majorities of Republicans (82%) and independents (70%) favor building the Keystone XL pipeline, as do 54% of Democrats. But there is a division among Democrats: 60% of the party’s conservatives and moderates support building the pipeline, compared with just 42% of liberal Democrats.

Posted by: Michel T. Halbouty at April 02, 2013 03:21 PM (e8kgV)

41 My wife bought The Bible on blu-ray today at Target. Two racks of DVD, one of Blu-ray. There were three DVD copies left. She got the last Blu-Ray.This is significant somehow.

It means I'm being threatened on you Jesusy freaks!

Posted by: DeeDander Poolio at April 02, 2013 03:21 PM (BrQrN)

42 'Game of Thrones' ( aka 'Tits and Dragons' ) is porn for those who find porn too complex and icky; semi-porn, for those who think Young.


You notice that they stop at many of the Stations of the Cross: Handicapped character, dwarf character, ass-kicking young female character, etc, etc. Men are crude and evil, women are wise and knowing.

Posted by: John from the Johnstown flood ( Pa. ) at April 02, 2013 03:21 PM (Dll6b)

43 "...they cut a lot of the fat. And there is so much in need of cutting."

Which might be also be said of George R.R. "The Michael Moore of Fantasy Writing" Martin himself...

Posted by: Stu-22 at April 02, 2013 03:21 PM (AiYlm)

44 Ygritte hasn't gotten naked yet.

We'll see if that holds.

(hoping it doesn't)

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:21 PM (LCRYB)

45 I made it to the third book, then gave up when it took him 300 pages to get Arya halfway home. Not the whole way -- halfway. Bah. Get that guy an editor with some spine.

Posted by: joncelli, assault Lutheran at April 02, 2013 03:22 PM (RD7QR)

46 If you haven't read books 4 and 5 I'd recommend not doing so, and probably dropping the series altogether. The two combined books took forever to come out and were supposed to be part of a single book that somehow kept expanding - having read the two books I can't see why it kept expanding as large swaths should have been excised by a editor gleefully returning the manuscript as boring having been forced to read through it all.

But I suppose once you reach a certain level of notoriety you can get away with robbing customers blind and the publishers won't give a damn since they know people will buy it.

Posted by: Austin at April 02, 2013 03:22 PM (GBY9g)

47
I remained surprised that even though "family" movies do so well and have for some time (even so-so Pixar does well), filmmakers will continue to go with:

Fast and Furious 6 and Scary Movie 5.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 02, 2013 03:22 PM (IY7Ir)

48 Polls are for closers


( if you intended to destroy America in order to 'transform' it, comrades, how would you act differently than Obama???? )

Posted by: John from the Johnstown flood ( Pa. ) at April 02, 2013 03:23 PM (Dll6b)

49 38
Indeed. But I have to say, the GoT books are very good.



One deep thought by Tyrion I really thought about in book 5. It was his observation that many people choose slavery over death.



In fact, a slave's very existence is the fact that they choose life in chains over death/prison/torture for refusing.


In other words, a series mirroring current American reality.

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2013 03:23 PM (BoE3Z)

50 One deep thought by Tyrion I really thought about in book 5. It was his observation that many people choose slavery over death.

Much as I rag on GRRM for being a leftist asshat who I hate with a passion, he really knocked it out of the park with Tyrion. Love that character. Someday I'll watch the series and love him even MORE because Peter Dinklage, who may be of short stature but who is HAWT with a capital HAWT.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:23 PM (4df7R)

51 BTW, when did New Jersyite George Martin become "RR"? He's not even in JRRT's league...

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 03:24 PM (lbiWb)

52 Hey, did The Bible tv series cut out all the so-and-so begat so-and-so who begat so-and-so etc? I found that to be a lot of boring and unnecessary filler. Though if the begating were depicted in detail, that might be worth sitting through.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 02, 2013 03:24 PM (ynTB7)

53 >>> made it to the third book, then gave up when it took him 300 pages to get Arya halfway home.

Arya goes from being one of the best characters to one of the worst because of all the check-in characters. yes, people love arya; trouble is, she has not much to do for four books (not until she gets trained as some kind of religious ninja murderer). And yet, her being popular, he has to check-in with her every five chapters.

All of her chapters consist of walking... and then encountering some Danger, which no one cares about because we all know she's not going to die randomly on the road. We all know she's going to get the Valar Morghulis training first. It's pretty obvious.

So arya's chapters are Just Walking and Wasting Time.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:25 PM (LCRYB)

54 "having read the two books I can't see why it kept expanding as large swaths should have been excised by a editor gleefully returning the manuscript as boring having been forced to read through it all. "

Because Martin has a cash cow to milk and his publisher is going to help him milk that fucker for all it's worth.

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at April 02, 2013 03:25 PM (HEa5q)

55 How funny will it be when the 3D version of Jurassic Park beats Jim Carrey's movie's opening weekend.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:25 PM (xmcEQ)

56 I think I have completely lost the ability to read doorstop books. I read tons as a kid. But I get bored now. And if it's especially good it'll be made into a movie or TV show anyway.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 02, 2013 03:26 PM (ZPrif)

57 "The Bible" Finale Racks Up 11.7 Million Viewers

DVR'd it. Please don't tell me how it ends.

Posted by: red sweater at April 02, 2013 03:26 PM (oATMN)

58
So arya's chapters are Just Walking and Wasting Time.





Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:25 PM (LCRYB)


So you're saying Star Wars prequels?

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:26 PM (xmcEQ)

59 Tubal: We ain't there yet!!! But the slow descent into bondage is disturbing. The counterrevolution got started with Reagan/Goldwater, and is now ready to shine after the disturbing lessons of GWB/Zero.

On the Keystone pipeline - if 42% of leftists want it, then it should be getting fucking built.

Of course, if zero says no then he truly will be a crazy idealogue and the GOP should be ready to reap the reward of the swinging pendulum of politics.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 02, 2013 03:27 PM (tVTLU)

60 TV Ratings: History's 'The Bible' Pulls 11.7 Million Viewers With Easter Ender
http://tinyurl.com/d67qxpaThings that happened on the set of The Bible, weird or hand of God?
http://tinyurl.com/crljpxf



Posted by: Caustic at April 02, 2013 03:27 PM (/b8+5)

61 GOT is an employment project for dozens and dozens of British and Irish 'B' and 'C; actors. Its like the WPA...

Posted by: John from the Johnstown flood ( Pa. ) at April 02, 2013 03:27 PM (Dll6b)

62 I think I'll post this, thought Ace. And then he posted it, saying to himself I think I'll post this. And then he posted it.

Posted by: zsasz at April 02, 2013 03:27 PM (MMC8r)

63 What a stupid, ugly cow, Jamie smiled to himself. "You're a stupid, ugly cow," Jamie told her. Then he smiled to himself.

I think we've been trolled by this guy.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 02, 2013 03:28 PM (/kI1Q)

64 So you're saying Star Wars prequels?
Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:26 PM (xmcEQ)


HAH! So true.

I haven't managed to get through book 5 yet. I've been trying, but it's a slog. Is there any mention of Sansa in it? And if so, is she still a sniveling wuss, or does she grow a bit more backbone?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:28 PM (4df7R)

65 There's a lot of good stuff on the 'non-network' stations, but it takes a while to separate the good from the god-awful.

My current favorite is the exploits of the Gas Monkey Garage on 'Fast n Loud'. It's basically the story of a micro-manufacturer of cars. The owner buys beat up, rusted out, worn out classic cars cheaply, enhances their value through skilled and talented labor, then tries to sell them for as much money as possible. So he gets to do the same thing all over again the next week.

In between a basic story of capitalism, there are 95 pound models posing on car hoods, beer drinking, Texans, waitresses at a Hooters style restaurant, smoke-filled burn outs, and a crazy person or three that make me wish I lived in Texas and not in the NE, surrounded by liberals that suck the oxygen out of a room.

Posted by: Regular Moron at April 02, 2013 03:28 PM (feFL6)

66
BTW, I can't help but notice that there's been a fair amount of commentary on GoT's (lack of) viewership outside of the "liberal white women" audience, and yet Ace devotes more words to said show than that in the thread title.
Does that mean Ace, ya know, favor the slightly older liberal white women?

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 03:28 PM (lbiWb)

67 We find these numbers disturbing.

Posted by: New DHS Report at April 02, 2013 03:28 PM (60GaT)

68 DVR'd it. Please don't tell me how it ends.


Posted by: red sweater at April 02, 2013 03:26 PM (oATMN)


Muslims blow everything up.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:29 PM (xmcEQ)

69 "What a stupid, ugly cow, Jamie smiled to himself. "You're a stupid, ugly cow," Jamie told her. Then he smiled to himself."

You just ensured I will never read his books. And I thank you.

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:29 PM (x3YFz)

70 I really like GOT, but I want to hang myself every time Martin uses the phrase, "much and more" or "little and less", which he does every third paragraph or so in the later books. He really does need an editor.

Posted by: doug at April 02, 2013 03:29 PM (I6iFS)

71 So you're saying Star Wars prequels?

Ummm...it's called Star Cuddles now. Coming soon on Blu-Ray!

Psst...Greedo tickled first.

Posted by: George Lucas at April 02, 2013 03:30 PM (BrQrN)

72 >>> I've been trying, but it's a slog. Is there any mention of Sansa in it? And if so, is she still a sniveling wuss, or does she grow a bit more backbone?

at the end of book 5 he starts checking in with all the characters, and I think Sansa shows up for a check-in chapter to basically say, 'Yes, still here."

I've got to say the solution to the John Arras murder mystery revealed in Book 4 was absurd and just seemed like something he made up quickly because he had to give Sansa a check-in chapter and needed *something* to happen in it.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:30 PM (LCRYB)

73 Of course I would hang myself before watching a mini series about the Bible.

Posted by: doug at April 02, 2013 03:30 PM (Lf1Ga)

74 Give me that Old Time Religion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnowePU8npc

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 02, 2013 03:30 PM (9Bj8R)

75 I really like GOT, but I want to hang myself every time Martin uses the phrase, "much and more" or "little and less", which he does every third paragraph or so in the later books. He really does need an editor.
Posted by: doug at April 02, 2013 03:29 PM (I6iFS)


An editor and a fucking DIET. Talk about needing to trim the fat.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:30 PM (4df7R)

76 "The Koran" comes out soon. In other countries, if you try to change the channel, they cut off your hand.

Posted by: Roy at April 02, 2013 03:30 PM (VndSC)

77 My current favorite is the exploits of the Gas
Monkey Garage on 'Fast n Loud'. It's basically the story of a
micro-manufacturer of cars. The owner buys beat up, rusted out, worn out
classic cars cheaply, enhances their value through skilled and talented
labor, then tries to sell them for as much money as possible. So he
gets to do the same thing all over again the next week.



In between a basic story of capitalism, there are 95 pound models
posing on car hoods, beer drinking, Texans, waitresses at a Hooters
style restaurant, smoke-filled burn outs, and a crazy person or three
that make me wish I lived in Texas and not in the NE, surrounded by
liberals that suck the oxygen out of a room.

Posted by: Regular Moron at April 02, 2013 03:28 PM (feFL6)


so, basically, just another fucking reality show.

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:30 PM (x3YFz)

78 How "the Bible" ends? Archangel Gabriel plays a prank on a camel-trader somewhere, and things get zany.

He had to sit at the kids' table for a few centuries after that one

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 02, 2013 03:31 PM (QTHTd)

79 The key is G Martin is writing books.... not telling a story....

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2013 03:31 PM (lZBBB)

80 When the actor playing Jesus said, "The Holy Spirit is like the wind"
a gust of wind came out of nowhere and almost blew the set over. The
gust lasted for about 20 seconds. Burnett described it this way:

"At that moment, a wind, like as if a 747 was taking off,
blew his hair, almost blew the set over and sustained for 20 seconds
across the desert, and the actors didn’t break — they kept going. And
everything stopped. Everyone just looked at everyone like, ‘What just
happened?’" – Inside TV

Posted by: Caustic at April 02, 2013 03:31 PM (/b8+5)

81 I watched all the seasons of Weeds on Netflix. Definitely worth seeing. Some parts were always funny (Kevin Nealon) others ere always annoying (bitchbag Liberal screeds), but on the whole it was good.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 02, 2013 03:31 PM (ZshNr)

82 I read Ender's Game yesterday.

I gotta tell ya, I don't get the hype.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:31 PM (LCRYB)

83 Agree MWR, Tyrion is fantastic.

As far as Arya goes, I have a feeling that she will have some bad ass powers and do some real interesting shit in the near future.

I can't remember if it was the 6th or 7th book, but GRRM said that the title had changed from a "Time for Wolves" or something like that, to some other title.

My interpretation: Winterfell is about to get its fucking due and a lot of slaughtering they shall commit. That will be a very fun read.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 02, 2013 03:32 PM (tVTLU)

84 I think I'll post this, thought Ace. And then he posted it, saying to himself I think I'll post this. And then he posted it.

Then he double-posted it.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 02, 2013 03:32 PM (rzNdC)

85
"buys beat up, rusted out, worn out classic cars cheaply, enhances their value through skilled and talented labor, then tries to sell them for as much money as possible"
Wheeler Dealers.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 03:32 PM (lbiWb)

86 73
Of course I would hang myself before watching a mini series about the Bible.



Posted by: doug at April 02, 2013 03:30 PM (Lf1Ga)
You might want to give that some thought.

Posted by: Judas Iscariot at April 02, 2013 03:33 PM (BoE3Z)

87 It's just getting harder and harder to watch scripted TV these days. Not the old stuff, mind you, the new stuff.

I've seen it all before, I guess. And I suppose I have a lower and lower tolerance for being lectured to by amoral animals.

Anyway, after the first season of that show, I read the wiki on the whole thing.

Conclusion: What a waste of time, that series and books.

Spoiler Alert: Most everybody dies, or has something shitty happen to them while the over-all story arc plods on and on and on and on and on.

And the last book(s) haven't even been written--queue M. Night Shamalan. 'Cause there's gonna be "a twist!"

Or, the dragon lady and the young Snow gal are going to hook up in some sort of lesbian marriage and unite the two continents being the only two royal bloodlines of superior claim left and all.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 02, 2013 03:33 PM (VjL9S)

88 >>>As far as Arya goes, I have a feeling that she will have some bad ass powers and do some real interesting shit in the near future.

sure but from books 2-4 she's just a tomboy 10 year old. I like the character, but it gets very tedious to just have her Walking From This Town to That Town and Being Threatened By Bandits for 20 chapters.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:33 PM (LCRYB)

89 Well, I did write something but I suppose it isn't my place to critique a story-line of a belief that I don't quite share. So I replaced it with this.

Posted by: Whatev at April 02, 2013 03:33 PM (A7Wh1)

90 Thanks, ace!

I've got to say the solution to the John Arras murder mystery revealed in Book 4 was absurd and just seemed like something he made up quickly because he had to give Sansa a check-in chapter and needed *something* to happen in it.
Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:30 PM (LCRYB)


Agreed. And considering how long he took getting books 4 and 5 written, I find it cheeky that he'd do it. You spent that much time writing pages and pages of what's essentially filler; you couldn't flesh this out a bit?

And I don't even LIKE Sansa. Though she's shown enough grit to survive this long, so there's hope for her yet.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:34 PM (4df7R)

91 Of course I would hang myself before watching a mini series about the Bible.



Posted by: doug at April 02, 2013 03:30 PM (Lf1Ga)


Please.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at April 02, 2013 03:34 PM (8ZskC)

92 Speaking of movies, on Saturday went and saw, the new OZ movie in 3D. Spoiler alert--read no further if you do not want any details. Do not bother with this mover unless you are some sort of uber-Oz fan who has to see it. If you have to see it, do not bother with the 3D, they made very little use of it--a movie full of flying baboons and none of them come screaming off the screen at you--what? The acting was not much, there was nothing special about movie, no cool special effects, and no memorable music. Just blah blah blah, IMHO.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, FLLDFC Gangstette Wily Wench at April 02, 2013 03:34 PM (kXoT0)

93 Confession: I haven't read a book in 15 years.

Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer at April 02, 2013 03:34 PM (UypUQ)

94 In between a basic story of capitalism, there are 95 pound models

posing on car hoods, beer drinking, Texans, waitresses at a Hooters

style restaurant, smoke-filled burn outs, and a crazy person or three

that make me wish I lived in Texas and not in the NE, surrounded by

liberals that suck the oxygen out of a room.



Posted by: Regular Moron at April 02, 2013 03:28 PM (feFL6)



They don't have the boobs on that show often and I'm a little disappointed that he's all wrapped up in than methmouth welder chick, but I do like that show as well.

I just can't believe he can get that much money for those cars. It really ruins things for us shade tree mechanics that like to restore stuff for fun. Nothing is affordable anymore.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:34 PM (xmcEQ)

95 I have to admit I kinda liked the Wonderstone flick. But I was that 12 year old kid with that big box of magic tricks. Still can pull off some decent false shuffles and double lifts. At one point could do a decent back palm, but that takes constant practice.

As a sweet, nostalgic light comedy it worked ok for me. The ending was a lame, but I enjoyed the first half and just the conceit of the nerdy boy spending hours every day mastering the tricks and earnestly believing that he'll transform into the popular kid once he wows everybody at school.

I'm a sucker for a good magic trick. And that was the problem with the ending. They should have shown us an amazing illusion and let us in on the secret. But the final trick was lame and stupid and not a magic trick at all. That was supposed to be part of the joke, that the master illusionists resorted to a very crude "trick" for the finale, but it was just kinda dumb.

Overall I liked it though. And the girl was pretty hot.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 02, 2013 03:34 PM (ZPrif)

96 Ace,

You didn't like Ender's Game??????? Blasphemy!! Since you're a deep thinker and all, just wait until you get to Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide. The metaphysical discussions in those books are literally, literally mind blowing!!

Very interesting concept of space and ability to travel.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 02, 2013 03:35 PM (tVTLU)

97 I didn't mind the slow pace of the GoT episode the way I might mind the same thing with, say, the Walking Dead. For one, I am not annoyed to hell by most of the characters. Two, the character development is actually interesting. Three, I felt like it was necessarily setting up the rest of the season.

Posted by: wte9 at April 02, 2013 03:35 PM (ZL7LA)

98 I read Ender's Game yesterday.



I gotta tell ya, I don't get the hype.





Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:31 PM (LCRYB)


Ace: David Gemmell. Read ALL of them. (like 30 books). Trust me.

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:35 PM (x3YFz)

99 I don't think I've read anything that wasn't Warhammer 40K in like a year and a half.

Does Kratman have anything new out? Caliphate was awesome.

Posted by: LibertarianJim (team #letitburn) at April 02, 2013 03:35 PM (XMDuf)

100 82
I read Ender's Game yesterday.



I gotta tell ya, I don't get the hype.





Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:31 PM (LCRYB)

I read it in college and thought it was great. It might help to be young and naive. Also, read Speaker for the Dead and see if that improves Ender's Game for you.

Posted by: joncelli, assault Lutheran at April 02, 2013 03:35 PM (RD7QR)

101 I liked the final Wheel of Time.


That is all.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 02, 2013 03:36 PM (ynTB7)

102 Of course I would hang myself before watching a mini series about the Bible. Posted by: doug at April 02, 2013 03:30 PM (Lf1Ga)

Wouldn't want to challenge any assumptions or anything...no sir.

Can't be doin' that now.

Posted by: Martin Fuckin' Luther at April 02, 2013 03:36 PM (sbV1u)

103 >>>Anyway, after the first season of that show, I read the wiki on the whole thing.

>>>Conclusion: What a waste of time, that series and books.

I don't say that you have to like the show but I don't really understand your "I read Wikipedia so I know all about it" rejectivist thing.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:36 PM (LCRYB)

104 The metaphysical discussions in those books are literally, literally mind blowing!!

Whoa, that's like, a lot.

Posted by: Joe Biden! at April 02, 2013 03:36 PM (BrQrN)

105 44 Ygritte hasn't gotten naked yet.
We'll see if that holds.
(hoping it doesn't)

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:21 PM (LCRYB)

----------

Awfully cold where she is, Ace.
You want the poor girl to freeze?

I'd like to see Jon Snow and the Dragon Girl get together.
Those two characters are the only reason why I watch the thing.
And...the dragons.


Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2013 03:37 PM (5kUwW)

106 78
How "the Bible" ends? Archangel Gabriel plays a prank on a camel-trader somewhere, and things get zany.

He had to sit at the kids' table for a few centuries after that one


Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 02, 2013 03:31 PM (QTHTd)
Jesus was carrying the cross, but suddenly Mary Magdalene and a gang of kick-ass Game of Thrones type super chicks run up and slay all of the heavily armed Roman guards, while jiggling and showing cleavage. They spirit Jesus off in an improbable escape, using Sekret Pentecostal Christian Majik, and start a signs and wonders commune that was the basis of the modern Charismatic Church Movement.

Posted by: Judas Iscariot at April 02, 2013 03:37 PM (BoE3Z)

107 82 I read Ender's Game yesterday.

I gotta tell ya, I don't get the hype.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:31 PM (LCRYB)


Well, different strokes, I guess. I devoured the series. Even though I liked the first more than the sequels, which were more philosophical.

Posted by: red sweater at April 02, 2013 03:37 PM (oATMN)

108 Of course I would hang myself before watching a mini series about the Bible.






Posted by: doug at April 02, 2013 03:30 PM (Lf1Ga)

Please.


Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at April 02, 2013 03:34 PM (8ZskC)


shhh! Don't say anything! Just buy a rope and throw it in front of him. Then nobody move.

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:37 PM (x3YFz)

109 so, basically, just another fucking reality show

I see a big difference. In 'Survivor' (spit) it is commie style 'survival'. They all get a ration of rice, enough for subsistence living. Since portions are all the same, advantage women. Especially advantageous for slackers who do not expend their calorie ration on things like working to collect wood, maintain a fire, try fishing, or contribute anything of value to the tribe.

In Fast n Loud, if they slack, cars don't get built, they don't sell them, and they all lose their jobs.

F N L is much, much closer to reality.

Posted by: Regular Moron at April 02, 2013 03:37 PM (feFL6)

110 Sounds like he might be going senile.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 03:38 PM (r2PLg)

111 off topic but interesting: from yahoo:

...

If you're feeling hopeless about your prospects for monogamy, it's
reassuring to remember that there are plenty of people in healthy and
happy relationships that aren't monogamous.



The very concept of polyamory - engaging in open relationships in
which a person can be involved with more than one partner - can seem
terrifying to the lifelong monogamist (which most of us are). I met my
first open couple about a year ago and it made me nervous in the way
meeting steampunk enthusiasts makes me nervous: I didn't understand what
made them tick.



In the time since, I've gotten to know several non-monogamous couples,
and they not only seem very happy but also extremely devoted to each
other.

Posted by: mallfly at April 02, 2013 03:38 PM (bJm7W)

112 >>>onfession: I haven't read a book in 15 years.

I had taken a long, long time off from reading, too.

I'll tell you that beginning the habit again was an improvement in my life. Give it a shot. Most of what you read will of course be mediocre or even bad, but the good stuff is worth it.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:38 PM (LCRYB)

113 I'd like to see Jon Snow and the Dragon Girl get together. Those two characters are the only reason why I watch the thing. And...the dragons.
Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2013 03:37 PM (5kUwW)


Given that the title of the book series is "Song of Ice and Fire," it's always seemed like a sure bet to me that Jon SNOW and Daenerys Targaryen, daughter of DRAGONS, would end up together.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:38 PM (4df7R)

114 Don't forget the deep descriptions of what everyone is eating and wearing.
I actually enjoyed Books 1-3. There was a feelinga real history to Westeros. Plusthere was someglimpses at a greater story like the hints tothe identity of John Snow's mother.
In Book 4 GRRM started going off tanget and loosing his way with the plot. Book 5 totally goes off the rails and he's obviously flailing and throwing in new throw away plot lines and characters.

Posted by: Jay at April 02, 2013 03:38 PM (VyNFn)

115 Ender's Game appeal is like Catcher in the Rye -- it works great when you are young and precocious and less and less the older you get.

As a young teen I read Ender's Game and loved it. But I also thought of myself as oh so Ender-like and so much smarter than all the stupid adults and even dumber kids around me.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 02, 2013 03:38 PM (ZPrif)

116 I like GOT. Pretty scenery, pretty girls, good acting -- what more can you ask for?

Posted by: waldo at April 02, 2013 03:38 PM (TE8aX)

117 GoT, Meh. That is all.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 02, 2013 03:39 PM (71LDo)

118 Martin reminds me of the quip about David Frost: He arose without a trace.

Posted by: RamonAllones at April 02, 2013 03:39 PM (3lLli)

119 "I think I'll post this, but I also want a refreshing shot of Val-U-Rite," thought Ace. "I'll reward myself with a shot when I finish the post," he thought. And then he thought, "If double-post the post, I can have another shot." And then he posted it, saying to himself, "There, I posted it, and now I can have my shot." And then he posted it again, saying to himself, "One more post, one more round." And then he smiled to himself.

Posted by: Stu-22 at April 02, 2013 03:39 PM (AiYlm)

120 Actor who played Jesus looks like lead singer from Foo Fighters

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 02, 2013 03:39 PM (8sCoq)

121 shhh! Don't say anything! Just buy a rope and throw it in front of him. Then nobody move.


Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:37 PM (x3YFz)


You forgot to turn on the TV to the Bible series and lock the door......

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:39 PM (xmcEQ)

122 >>>Awfully cold where she is, Ace.
You want the poor girl to freeze?

i don't want to spoil anything but they have sex (indeed, they get married) so there is a Very Real Chance we'll see Ygritte's irish boobehs.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:39 PM (LCRYB)

123
"I don't really understand your "I read Wikipedia so I know all about it" rejectivist thing"
Can't speak for him, but in my case, if much widespread commentary doesn't intrigue, then I won't go any further. Can't say I've regretfully missed much over the years (other than earlier post on Sin City).

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 03:39 PM (lbiWb)

124 F N L is much, much closer to reality.





Posted by: Regular Moron at April 02, 2013 03:37 PM (feFL6)


I guess my point is: if it's cool, then unass your couch and go do it instead of watching someone else do it. Much more rewarding.

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:39 PM (x3YFz)

125 Jesus was carrying the cross, but suddenly Mary Magdalene and a gang of kick-ass Game of Thrones type super chicks run up and slay all of the heavily armed Roman guards, while jiggling and showing cleavage. They spirit Jesus off in an improbable escape, using Sekret Pentecostal Christian Majik, and start a signs and wonders commune that was the basis of the modern Charismatic Church Movement.
Posted by: Judas Iscariot at April 02, 2013 03:37 PM (BoE3Z)


Ah, so you've read Dan Brown then, have you?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:40 PM (4df7R)

126 Actor who played Jesus looks like lead singer from Foo Fighters

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 02, 2013 03:39 PM (8sCoq)


Dave Grohl?

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:40 PM (xmcEQ)

127 im on GoT season 2 right now

yes, moves so much faster than the book, agreed

very enjoyable

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 02, 2013 03:40 PM (+wxCD)

128 So what's the basic plot to GoT? Nobody has discussed that at all. Is there a plot, or does it just plod?

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2013 03:40 PM (Oa0Hi)

129 119 "I think I'll post this, but I also want a refreshing shot of Val-U-Rite," thought Ace. "I'll reward myself with a shot when I finish the post," he thought. And then he thought, "If double-post the post, I can have another shot." And then he posted it, saying to himself, "There, I posted it, and now I can have my shot." And then he posted it again, saying to himself, "One more post, one more round." And then he smiled to himself.
Posted by: Stu-22 at April 02, 2013 03:39 PM (AiYlm)

___________

And on the third post, he rested.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 03:41 PM (r2PLg)

130 I read Ender's Game and loved it. Then Speaker for the Dead and really liked it. Then, uh, the next one and forced myself to finish. Then, uh, the one after that and gave up two chapters in.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 02, 2013 03:41 PM (ZPrif)

131 >>>Given that the title of the book series is "Song of Ice and Fire," it's always seemed like a sure bet to me that Jon SNOW and Daenerys Targaryen, daughter of DRAGONS, would end up together.

it almost seems so obvious it can't be that simple.

that said, yes, it's probably that.

given that the dragon has three heads (i forget what prophecy that's in) the outstanding question is who is the third head, but that's not much of a question at all. It's Bran, duh.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:41 PM (LCRYB)

132 Ah, so you've read Dan Brown then, have you?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:40 PM (4df7R)
Well, yeah, but my scenario is a little more plausible than his.

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2013 03:41 PM (BoE3Z)

133 I had taken a long, long time off from reading, too.



I'll tell you that beginning the habit again was an improvement in
my life. Give it a shot. Most of what you read will of course be
mediocre or even bad, but the good stuff is worth it.





Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:38 PM (LCRYB)

Ok, thanks. I will soon. First I need to get back into glasses. Something about the written page that causes eye-strain where reading on the Net does not.

Posted by: Misophonia Sufferer / Serious Cat at April 02, 2013 03:41 PM (UypUQ)

134 128 So what's the basic plot to GoT? Nobody has discussed that at all. Is there a plot, or does it just plod?
Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2013 03:40 PM (Oa0Hi)

____________

Sounds like a plod that gets interrupted by sex and most of the morons are there for the interruptions.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 03:42 PM (r2PLg)

135
Is some one hinting at starting an ACE OF SPADES HQ SWINGERS CLUB???!!!

Oh, my!

Posted by: waldo at April 02, 2013 03:42 PM (TE8aX)

136 but even within those chapters he pads like the Dickens.


I very nearly made a substitute English teacher start crying in high school when she asked all earnestly "Now, why is it that Dickens writes at such length about even minor characters" and I replied "Because he was being paid a nickle a word." She looked like I'd kicked her kittens in the face.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 02, 2013 03:42 PM (VtjlW)

137 128
So what's the basic plot to GoT? Nobody has discussed that at all. Is there a plot, or does it just plod?

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2013 03:40 PM (Oa0Hi)

I've read in several places "War of the Roses with Dragons."

Posted by: joncelli, assault Lutheran at April 02, 2013 03:43 PM (RD7QR)

138 I have decided to acquire the vision of loveliness know as the Mary Clogginstein creature. I knowI am selfish, butI am desiress of all of the 425.7 pounds of pasty white skin for own pleasure. I know this is a great blow to your world, but I must have this beautiful, hairy 3 legged creature all to myself.

Posted by: The Gorn at April 02, 2013 03:43 PM (IkHXL)

139

Didn't watch The Bible, so no comment.

We watched the recap before watching the first episode of this season's GoT.

The episode went by too fast, in our opinions. It was over before we blinked.

One interesting tidbit I read about Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) is that she is fresh out of school. And, she wasn't in the pilot.

In 2010, after graduating from the Drama Centre London, Emilia got her first film role in the TV movie Triassic Attack (2010) (TV). Her breakthrough role came in 2011 when she replaced, fellow newcomer, Tamzin Merchant, in "Game of Thrones" (2011) after the filming of the initial pilot. Emilia won the 2011 EWwy Award for Best Supporting Actress in a Drama for her role.


good for her


imdb

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2013 03:43 PM (XYSwB)

140 I guess my point is: if it's cool, then unass your
couch and go do it instead of watching someone else do it. Much more
rewarding.


Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:39 PM (x3YFz)


Yeah...doesn't everyone have access to a garage complete with lifts, tools, torches, welders and a paint booth?

It ain't always that easy, Francis.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:43 PM (xmcEQ)

141 i don't want to spoil anything but they have sex (indeed, they get
married) so there is a Very Real Chance we'll see Ygritte's irish
boobehs.>>

Not so much a spoiler as it is a reason to keep watching.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 02, 2013 03:43 PM (81UWZ)

142 Is some one hinting at starting an ACE OF SPADES HQ SWINGERS CLUB???!!!



Oh, my!

Posted by: waldo at April 02, 2013 03:42 PM (TE8aX)


Sweet mortar-loading jesus, I want the movie rights to that one.

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:43 PM (x3YFz)

143 given that the dragon has three heads (i forget what prophecy that's in) the outstanding question is who is the third head, but that's not much of a question at all. It's Bran, duh.
Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:41 PM (LCRYB)


Unless Georgie Porgie decides to kill off Bran because he realizes he's being too obvious, then has to pull some new "third head" out of thin air like a magic trick. "Uh... uh... Tyrion! It's Tyrion!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:43 PM (4df7R)

144 Tyrion is a pretty noble character. He's smart, he's brave, and he is just.

Posted by: waldo at April 02, 2013 03:43 PM (TE8aX)

145 For anybody getting back into reading, Ender's Game is great since it's short and fast-paced.
Then there are those James McPherson books where every chapter is about a page and half. Dude is a factory.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 02, 2013 03:44 PM (ZPrif)

146 Is some one hinting at starting an ACE OF SPADES HQ SWINGERS CLUB???!!! Posted by: waldo at April 02, 2013 03:42 PM (TE8aX)

Where do we submit requests?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 02, 2013 03:44 PM (sbV1u)

147 I read Ender's Game yesterday.



I gotta tell ya, I don't get the hype.


I liked it, once. Wouldn't read it again though.

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2013 03:44 PM (KXm42)

148 142 Is some one hinting at starting an ACE OF SPADES HQ SWINGERS CLUB???!!!



Oh, my!

Posted by: waldo at April 02, 2013 03:42 PM (TE8aX)


Sweet mortar-loading jesus, I want the movie rights to that one.
Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:43 PM (x3YFz)

_______________

80% dude, so it's going to get...gay.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 03:45 PM (r2PLg)

149 Yeah...doesn't everyone have access to a garage complete with lifts, tools, torches, welders and a paint booth?

It ain't always that easy, Francis.


Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:43 PM (xmcEQ)


now why you gotta do the Francis thing?

But on-topic: it wasn't an insult, it was friendly advice, Nancy.

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:45 PM (x3YFz)

150 >>>So what's the basic plot to GoT? Nobody has discussed that at all. Is there a plot, or does it just plod?

well, in the first book, there is a murder of the "Hand of the King" (his top counselor/chamberlain) and a very honorable man from the north is asked by his friend, the king, to assume the position. that man begins probing into the murder and finds there are deep secrets... secrets which undermine the succession should the king die.

I'm trying to avoid spoilers but, Spoiler Alert, the king does die and this creates a Succession Crisis in which, at various times, there are up to 5 claimants of various strength for the crown. They all go to war, and there is much intrigue, scheming, murder, and slaughter.

Meanwhile, Winter Is Coming -- on this world, Winter only comes ever 6-12 years, and now an especially brutal winter is coming. And when winter comes, the old dead things come down from the cold to kill the living. And the world is at war, and now completely unprepared for such a thing (which most people don't even believe is real anymore, but, Spoiler Alert, it is).

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:45 PM (LCRYB)

151 Isn't the basic plot just -- a bunch of families fight for the throne. Stuff happens. Plus dragons.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 02, 2013 03:45 PM (ZPrif)

152 I guess my point is: if it's cool, then unass your couch and go do it instead of watching someone else do it. Much more rewarding.

I successfully fought the weekly battle to make a payroll for multiple decades, so I've earned my slightly worn spot on the couch. It's fun to watch someone else do an actual reality show about capitalism in the trenches, where business people are not demonized. I guess you don't get it, or want to get it.

Posted by: Regular Moron at April 02, 2013 03:45 PM (feFL6)

153 And old./

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 03:45 PM (r2PLg)

154 80% dude, so it's going to get...gay.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 03:45 PM (r2PLg)


ONLY if you make eye contact.

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:46 PM (x3YFz)

155 My current favorite is the exploits of the Gas Monkey Garage on 'Fast n Loud'. It's basically the story of a micro-manufacturer of cars. The owner buys beat up, rusted out, worn out classic cars cheaply, enhances their value through skilled and talented labor, then tries to sell them for as much money as possible. So he gets to do the same thing all over again the next week. In between a basic story of capitalism, there are 95 pound models posing on car hoods, beer drinking, Texans, waitresses at a Hooters style restaurant, smoke-filled burn outs, and a crazy person or three that make me wish I lived in Texas and not in the NE, surrounded by liberals that suck the oxygen out of a room.
Posted by: Regular Moron
***

That skanky looking welder chick does not do it for me. Other than that, I like the show.
Wonder how he'll make out on the wrecked F-40.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 03:46 PM (uhftQ)

156 So what's the basic plot to GoT? Nobody has discussed that at all. Is there a plot, or does it just plod? Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2013 03:40 PM (Oa0Hi)

Lots of noble families fighting for the crown, killing each other in bloody, often brutal ways, and having sex like rather crude rabbits. Oh, and incest. And dragons. And a bit of pedophilia.

It's... different. Not bad. Very complex. But... different.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:46 PM (4df7R)

157 So I haven't read Game of Thrones, but given an example of the prose, what exactly is the appeal out side of "OMG Fucking!" and "OMG Dragons!"

Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at April 02, 2013 03:46 PM (D8pR3)

158 I read Ender's Game yesterday.
I gotta tell ya, I don't get the hype.
-

I read that when my son had to read it for a 9th grade English class.

The one life lesson out of that book, which I reminded him of as he went off to college was Ender's comment to an officious prick when asked why he disobeyed an order not to study.

I need trigonometry more than I need you.
_

The book itself read like it was in need of a screenplay.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 02, 2013 03:46 PM (19AvL)

159 Those dragons will dive into the sea, pluck out a shark, toss it in the air, flame cook it, and swallow. Pretty neat trick, eh?

Posted by: waldo at April 02, 2013 03:46 PM (TE8aX)

160 Posted by: Jay at April 02, 2013 03:38 PM (VyNFn)

Dam!!!! Dog ate my notes.... can't remember the plot!..... crap....

Posted by: GRRRR Martin at April 02, 2013 03:46 PM (lZBBB)

161 TFG shoots a basketball like he is the Scientist-in-Chief.

Posted by: Ammo Dump at April 02, 2013 03:46 PM (YYyqq)

162 I guess my point is: if it's cool, then unass your couch and go do it instead of watching someone else do it.



There's something kind of amusing about someone typing that on a thread about sci-fi/fantasy entertainment.

BRB, getting abducted by aliens..

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at April 02, 2013 03:46 PM (/kI1Q)

163 Cripes Bannion--who are you getting?

you drove a Tercel for gawd's sake.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 03:47 PM (r2PLg)

164
"Something about the written page that causes eye-strain where reading on the Net does not"
Tablet. Kindle. Other device.
Seriously - I find the various tablets to be so much easier to read than the printed page. Try a few and see if one works for you.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 03:47 PM (lbiWb)

165 "that show has a lot of good, attractive actresses who also take their clothes off and look really good naked.
"

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:20 PM (LCRYB)

....and people think you are gay?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2013 03:47 PM (0zDXv)

166 it is largely War of the Roses (Lannisters = Lancasters, duh) but there are a whole bunch of middle ages figures and conflicts folded into the thing.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:47 PM (LCRYB)

167 now why you gotta do the Francis thing?

But on-topic: it wasn't an insult, it was friendly advice, Nancy.


Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:45 PM (x3YFz)


Well played.

I do have a small 2 car garage with a project car already in it, but time and finance are 2 things that just don't make themselves readily available for some reason.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:47 PM (xmcEQ)

168 Tyrion is a pretty noble character. He's smart, he's brave, and he is just.
Posted by: waldo at April 02, 2013 03:43 PM (TE8aX)


But he also knows how to be a conniving little bastard, which makes him that much more interesting.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:47 PM (4df7R)

169 151
Isn't the basic plot just -- a bunch of families fight for the throne. Stuff happens. Plus dragons.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 02, 2013 03:45 PM (ZPrif)
And swords 'n blood 'n tits 'n pissed off family members 'n brutality for the fun of it. The Middle Ages, in other words. Or the Kennedy family.

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2013 03:47 PM (BoE3Z)

170 I guess my point is: if it's cool, then unass your couch and go do it
instead of watching someone else do it. Much more rewarding.


True, and will also have the side effect of shattering the illusion that reality is being depicted on Fast and Loud. Sure, just go buy some old classic Hudson sitting in someone's barn for 900 bucks, slap a coat of paint and new upholstery on it and sell it for 50,000 to a guy that wants to use it to promote his corndog stand. Nothing to it.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 02, 2013 03:48 PM (+lsX1)

171 I successfully fought the weekly battle to make a
payroll for multiple decades, so I've earned my slightly worn spot on
the couch. It's fun to watch someone else do an actual reality show
about capitalism in the trenches, where business people are not
demonized. I guess you don't get it, or want to get it.

Posted by: Regular Moron at April 02, 2013 03:45 PM (feFL6)


easy, crusher. I let my pent up hate for all reality shows get the best of me. It's because I do get it that I get fired up and tend to clack clack the claymore early.

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:48 PM (x3YFz)

172 Re: GRRM's verbal tics - wait til you get to the 14,000 "mummer's farces" and "words are wind"

Posted by: The pimp of the nation at April 02, 2013 03:48 PM (nH9PI)

173 ....and people think you are gay?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2013 03:47 PM (0zDXv)



You suck ONE cock.......



(I'm in no way implying that Ace actually sucked any cock, but it seemed like a funny comment at the time.)

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:48 PM (xmcEQ)

174 This guy sounds like George Lucas looking for his Spielberg.

If you noticed Spielberg was the edit/reality check.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 03:49 PM (r2PLg)

175 Since this is apparently turning into a book thread, I recommend Fragment by Warren Fahy. It's about what happens when we discover an island where evolution went a completely different way. Let me put it this way, one of the scientists describes the world as being one where everything eats everything else all the time. It's JP by way of Giger. It's just silly, breezy fun. There is a fantastic subplot involving a scientist who is all about making grand apocalyptic it's all human's fault predictions because that's where the money is. It's nearly Crichton level bashing of certain aspects of the science-y world. The sequel just came out but I haven't read that yet.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 02, 2013 03:49 PM (VtjlW)

176
@82I read Ender's Game yesterday.

I gotta tell ya, I don't get the hype.

--------------------------------
I suspect that Ender's Game is a little too well known and has left a little too strong of an imprint on the genre in general. In short, it's not the fresh and new book that it was when it first came out. It's kind of like someone seeing "The Usual Suspects" for the first time in 2013. What made it neat and interesting when it first came out oh so many years ago is now tired and overdone. That's not through any fault of the original except, perhaps, that too many people liked it and decided to copy it with their own little twists.

Posted by: junior at April 02, 2013 03:49 PM (UWFpX)

177 Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at April 02, 2013 03:46 PM (D8pR3)Well, assuming for a moment that television entertainment requires anything more than, "OMG Fucking!" and "OMG Dragons!" the acting is first rate, and the political intrigue is interesting.And as Ace has pointed out, the actresses who get naked look rather nice.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2013 03:49 PM (0zDXv)

178 You suck ONE cock.......

...you've sucked 'em all?

Posted by: red sweater at April 02, 2013 03:49 PM (oATMN)

179 I think that the quality of the acting makes up for whatever plodding plot devices remain from the books.

Those Brits know what they are doing when it comes to acting.

And the chicks have adorable accents.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2013 03:14 PM (0zDXv)



amen

the acting is great

And, as far as I know, the Brits don't buy into the DeNiro, Pacino, etc, method acting style.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2013 03:50 PM (XYSwB)

180 I just meant that not every goodlooking woman actually is Playboy material when naked.

But on Game of Thrones, they seem to have actually Cast for Nakedness! They all look really good naked. Not a "meh" in the bunch.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:50 PM (LCRYB)

181 So it's like Dungeons and Dragons with nekkid people?

If that's what it takes, I guess...

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 02, 2013 03:50 PM (+aHgF)

182
#159,
Saw the same thing in "Insatiable 3". Sort of...
173, yes, 'tis funny.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 03:51 PM (lbiWb)

183 That skanky looking welder chick does not do it for me. Other than that, I like the show.

Wonder how he'll make out on the wrecked F-40.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 03:46 PM (uhftQ)


Good thing the finance came from the friend. It's going to cost a pretty penny putting humpty dumpty back together again.

That splitting the sale may come back to haunt him.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:51 PM (xmcEQ)

184 So I haven't read Game of Thrones, but given an example of the prose, what exactly is the appeal out side of "OMG Fucking!" and "OMG Dragons!"
Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at April 02, 2013 03:46 PM (D8pR3)


Because the characters really are genuinely interesting. I actually skip over the sex bits because they're annoying and get in the way of the rest of the plot. All of the characters have good and bad qualities, and that's not sugarcoated in any way. It's rare to find that in a fantasy novel, where generally the good characters' positive traits are overwhelmingly more prevalent than their negatives, and vice versa.

Although the truly nasty ones in GoT are just NASTY. Yes, Cersei, I'm looking at you.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:51 PM (4df7R)

185 154 80% dude, so it's going to get...gay.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 03:45 PM (r2PLg)


ONLY if you make eye contact.
Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:46 PM (x3YFz)

_____________

Wait...that explains 90% of Cosmopolitan articles.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 03:51 PM (r2PLg)

186 You know who sucks at writing sex scenes--so bad you have to skip them?

Tom Clancy.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 03:52 PM (r2PLg)

187 Well played.

I do have a small 2 car garage
with a project car already in it, but time and finance are 2 things that
just don't make themselves readily available for some reason.


Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:47 PM (xmcEQ)


I hear you. I've been crawling around in the engine block of my dad's truck for about 3 years (I prefer trucks to cars since you can wiggle around those little bastards easier... more room).

Parts are getting harder to come by nowdays, though and I find myself at junk yards more than pep boys

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:52 PM (x3YFz)

188 181 So it's like Dungeons and Dragons with nekkid people?

If that's what it takes, I guess...


Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 02, 2013 03:50 PM (+aHgF)


And then people wonder why I Fence at Ren Faires.... LOL....

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2013 03:53 PM (lZBBB)

189 >That skanky looking welder chick does not do it for me. Other than that, I like the show.
Wonder how he'll make out on the wrecked F-40.


she has really bad teeth


and when they were thinking about buying the wrecked Ferrari, I was saying 'don't do it, don't do it...'

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 02, 2013 03:53 PM (8sCoq)

190 Good thing the finance came from the friend. It's going to cost a pretty penny putting humpty dumpty back together again.That splitting the sale may come back to haunt him.
Posted by: © Sponge
***

I would have passed. people really don't understand how expensive parts for those things are. If there are any surprises...God help them...
On the bright side, it makes me feel better about trying to restore a 68 GS Buick. It could be worse...

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 03:54 PM (uhftQ)

191
You suck ONE cock.......

...you've sucked 'em all?


That's been my experience.

Posted by: Average Joe at April 02, 2013 03:54 PM (5iuEW)

192 The guy from The Wire and Queer As Folk is in it. He runs the whore houses.

Posted by: waldo at April 02, 2013 03:54 PM (TE8aX)

193
"So it's like Dungeons and Dragons with nekkid people?"
Like I said, "LOTR w/t*ts", and a writer who thinks he's better/smarter thanJRR Tolkien*.
...
* for those who think of Tolkien as a "young person's writer", I suggest you peruse his work on Beowulf and languages.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 03:54 PM (lbiWb)

194
Not a "meh" in the bunch.

Even whatshername's crazy sister who was boob-feeding her creepy pre-teen son had a nice pair of cans.

Posted by: soothsayer r.r. martin at April 02, 2013 03:54 PM (9Q7Nu)

195 I know this is a great blow to your world, but I must have this beautiful, hairy 3 legged creature all to myself.

Posted by: The Gorn at April 02, 2013 03:43 PM (IkHXL)

So you going with earplugs for you or removal of functioning vocal cords for her, cause, you know, that quarter ton of loveliness has got a mouth on her.?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, FLLDFC Gangstette Wily Wench at April 02, 2013 03:55 PM (kXoT0)

196 Sure, just go buy some old classic Hudson sitting in someone's barn for 900 bucks, slap a coat of paint and new upholstery on it and sell it for 50,000 to a guy that wants to use it to promote his corndog stand. Nothing to it.

*Shrugs* Yup, the people standing around leaning on the fender don't cost anything per hour, the rent on the building is free, insurance for workers comp, building, supplies, health insurance, taxes on revenue, taxes on profit are all non-existent. Btw: I could go on for another hour adding things to that list.

I don't know when basic business knowledge disappeared but it is disheartening.

Posted by: Regular Moron at April 02, 2013 03:55 PM (feFL6)

197 Fast N Loud is gonna find that Ferrari is just a hole in the shop floor they're going to throw a LOT of money into

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 02, 2013 03:55 PM (8sCoq)

198 * for those who think of Tolkien as a "young person's writer",

There are people who think of Tolkien as a young person's writer? Have they been hitting the pipe weed?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:55 PM (4df7R)

199 @166 ace

Re Wars of the Roses: Yeah, hence my David Frost quip.

Martin has been doing this all very third-hand. There's no there there, in terms of authorial ability to transmit anything coherent and compelling IMO.

I don't mean this in terms of Martin's being Michael Moore-ish, but rather that, his (Martin's) physical bulk notwithstanding, there's almost nothing about him as a life-experienced and legitimately, deeply reflective person to put into the Fire and Ice saga. Yeah, Martin invents "stuff" and worlds and characters, but there's no there there -- not in the way that there was with Tolkien.

Posted by: RamonAllones at April 02, 2013 03:55 PM (3lLli)

200

In case you missed it the other day on Daily Caller


Top 10: Reasons to watch the third season of ‘Game of Thrones’ [SLIDESHOW]

http://tinyurl.com/bpkqvzk

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2013 03:55 PM (XYSwB)

201 >>>So it's like Dungeons and Dragons with nekkid people?

not really. A "D&D" type story is fantasy adventure. Game of Thrones really isn't about adventure, or larger than life heroes. It's about an ugly, brutal world which closely resembles Earth's Middle Ages, with all the stuff that made the Middle Ages so awful (such as rape, murder, banditry, murdering peasants by the hundreds as an alternative to siege warfare, incest, betrayal, slaughter, promises made and promises broken, selling one's daughters off as pawns in marriage alliances, marrying off one's kids before they're even 5 years old, etc.)

Then they add in some light amounts of fantasy material. But importantly, there is actually no magic in the first book, until the end, and only a little in the second, and then rather more as it goes on. (Magic is "returning to the world.") So actually the book starts out as earth-like, but by Book 5 it's become rather more fantastical.

Point being, while there are fantastical elements, the book is rooted in a realistic (if pessimistic) understanding of humanity. Fantasy usually offers fantastical elements plus a fantasy version of humanity; these books, and the TV show, do not offer the latter. That aspect at least is grounded in the real.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:56 PM (LCRYB)

202 she has really bad teeth and when they were thinking about buying the wrecked Ferrari, I was saying 'don't do it, don't do it...'
Posted by: Jones in CO
***

She is soooo unattractive and he's so enamored with her. he must be hard up or drunk a lot more than we think he is.
$400,000 for a wrecked F-40. I was wondering why the owner wasn't getting it fixed. What about insurance? Or suing the shop that wrecked it?

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 03:56 PM (uhftQ)

203 I don't say that you have to like the show but I don't really understand
your "I read Wikipedia so I know all about it" rejectivist thing.
==========
What I mean is the Cliff notes version tells me the whole series lacks--and may never reach--the one thing every good story has to have: An satisfying or useful ending.

Nobody watched "The Neverending Story" because it really was neverending.

I see a "Battlestar Galactica" or "Sopranos" or something else weak like that in its future.

I guess it's a combination of all the characters killed off and the "good now bad, good now bad person" he tries to pull off that seems to me leaves no room for a decent ending.

I mean, it's been mentioned here: How you all are slogging through the books for some sort of Deus ex Machina at the end to raise one of the characters up for some sort of grand finale.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 02, 2013 03:56 PM (VjL9S)

204
btw, that was one creepy scene

I kept thinking to myself: I wonder if this child-actor knows how great life is for him.

Posted by: soothsayer r.r. martin at April 02, 2013 03:56 PM (9Q7Nu)

205 186 You know who sucks at writing sex scenes--so bad you have to skip them?

Tom Clancy.


He wrote sex scenes? I'm having trouble remembering any. I guess there's John Clark and that girl who gets killed. But was there an actual sex scene, as opposed to the text version of a fade to black?

Posted by: red sweater at April 02, 2013 03:57 PM (oATMN)

206 And when winter comes, the old dead things come down from the cold to kill the living.


------------------------------------------------


So Pelosi and friends are in this series too? OMG! They don't get naked, do they?

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2013 03:57 PM (Oa0Hi)

207 I hear you. I've been crawling around in the engine
block of my dad's truck for about 3 years (I prefer trucks to cars since
you can wiggle around those little bastards easier... more room).

Parts are getting harder to come by nowdays, though and I find myself at junk yards more than pep boys


Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:52 PM (x3YFz)


Mine's had most of the drive train out of it for about 10 years and is spread out all over the place, but the wife and kid and putting things around the house in order, along with a long bout with the lazies, have it just taking up space and collecting garage clutter.

Last year was supposed to be the year, but Owebama's greedy ass decided I didn't pay enough in taxes and took a lot.

This year wasn't as bad, so maybe I can put a wrench or 2 to it.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:57 PM (xmcEQ)

208
#198,
Seemingly, yes. On other boards dedicated to such things (yes, I know, I should spend more time here...) there are those fools who rate Martin > Tolkien.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 03:57 PM (lbiWb)

209
>>it's like Dungeons and Dragons with nekkid people?

Needs more rape.

Posted by: George RR Martin at April 02, 2013 03:57 PM (seHKT)

210 >>>
Even whatshername's crazy sister who was boob-feeding her creepy pre-teen son had a nice pair of cans.

fake boob. Prosthetic.

doesn't count against the actual nudity.

Posted by: acd at April 02, 2013 03:57 PM (LCRYB)

211
you dig?

let's say you're a 12 yr old boy actor, and you get this acting job, and the director says okay, kid, here's what you do...

Posted by: soothsayer r.r. martin at April 02, 2013 03:58 PM (9Q7Nu)

212 all the stuff that made the Middle Ages so awful (such as rape, murder,
banditry, murdering peasants by the hundreds as an alternative to siege
warfare, incest, betrayal, slaughter, promises made and promises
broken, selling one's daughters off as pawns in marriage alliances,
marrying off one's kids before they're even 5 years old, etc.)



So when were you going to get to the awful part?

That sounds like my 20's

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 03:58 PM (x3YFz)

213 Mrs. North watches Game of Thrones. I happened to glance up once at it, and there was a naked woman on the screen.

All I could think of was, "we're paying Bill Maher's salary."

Ugh

Posted by: Truman North at April 02, 2013 03:58 PM (6B/Q5)

214 *Shrugs* Yup, the people standing around leaning on the fender don't cost anything per hour, the rent on the building is free, insurance for workers comp, building, supplies, health insurance, taxes on revenue, taxes on profit are all non-existent. Btw: I could go on for another hour adding things to that list. I don't know when basic business knowledge disappeared but it is disheartening.
Posted by: Regular Moron
***

I laugh at their idea of "profit". I know those people don't work for free. Those tools aren't donated, etc.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 03:58 PM (uhftQ)

215 Progtard whose work keeps expanding with less and less content and more and more padding?

Martin missed his calling. He was clearly a natural for Gov't, Leftist Style.

Seriously though, the whole thing is decent people getting screwed over, jerks profiting, vice and cruelty, pointless misfortune...no wonder I bailed on the first book and never went back. I have no idea what people see in that series.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at April 02, 2013 03:59 PM (fMiHM)

216 Seemingly, yes. On other boards dedicated to such things (yes, I know, I should spend more time here...) there are those fools who rate Martin > Tolkien.
Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 03:57 PM (lbiWb)


OMG.

Kill it. Kill it with fire!!!!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 03:59 PM (4df7R)

217 Oh and they were showing a commercial for a show where Julia Louis-Dreyfus swears alot

Posted by: Truman North at April 02, 2013 03:59 PM (6B/Q5)

218 It's about an ugly, brutal world which closely resembles Earth's Middle
Ages, with all the stuff that made the Middle Ages so awful (such as
rape, murder, banditry, murdering peasants by the hundreds as an
alternative to siege warfare, incest, betrayal, slaughter, promises made
and promises broken, selling one's daughters off as pawns in marriage
alliances, marrying off one's kids before they're even 5 years old,
etc.)




So, its a recreation of the life of one specific god worshiped by some 'splody people today?

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:59 PM (xmcEQ)

219
>>it's like Dungeons and Dragons with nekkid people?


Needs more rape-rape
Posted by: George RR Martin at April 02, 2013 03:57 PM (seHKT)
FTFY

Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at April 02, 2013 03:59 PM (5iuEW)

220 fake boob. Prosthetic.


awww, don't tell me that

serious? that ruined it for me

Posted by: soothsayer r.r. martin at April 02, 2013 03:59 PM (9Q7Nu)

221
Tyrion is a pretty noble character.


To date, nearly every plot arc worth noting intersects with this character.

Posted by: 13times at April 02, 2013 04:00 PM (h6XiD)

222 Martin > Tolkien.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 03:57 PM (lbiWb)

That's actually not even irritating it is so stupid.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2013 04:00 PM (0zDXv)

223 I tried to watch The Hobbitt the other night. Oi!

Posted by: waldo at April 02, 2013 04:00 PM (TE8aX)

224 >>>What I mean is the Cliff notes version tells me the whole series lacks--and may never reach--the one thing every good story has to have: An satisfying or useful ending.


well I agree with that. but the series is unfinished, yet.

the trouble is he has a satisfying ending, he's just decided to pump out a series of unnecessary filler books before getting to it.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 04:00 PM (LCRYB)

225 190
Good thing the finance came from the friend. It's going to cost a pretty
penny putting humpty dumpty back together again.That splitting the sale
may come back to haunt him.

Posted by: © Sponge

***



I would have passed. people really don't understand how expensive
parts for those things are. If there are any surprises...God help
them...

On the bright side, it makes me feel better about trying to restore a 68 GS Buick. It could be worse...

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 03:54 PM
===============

Yeah. I have a highly un-collectable '78 Cutlass I've been working on. It is easier to find parts for a Model A than for a '78 Cutlass. They've all been crushed. I strongly suspect that parts for '68 GS are easier to come by also.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2013 04:00 PM (aDwsi)

226
Here's a Tom Clancy Sex Scene:
"Lockheed called her the Ghostrider. ...
She had no corners, no box
shapes to allow radar signals to bounce cleanly off her.
Her high-bypass
turbofans were designed to emit a blurry infrared signature at most.
From above,
her wings appeared to mimic the shape of a cathedral bell. From in front, they
curved oddly toward the ground,... Though she was a masterpiece of electronic technology inside, she
usually didn't use her active systems"
Mmmmmmmbaby.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 04:00 PM (lbiWb)

227 So what's the sci-fi equivalent of Game of Thrones -- Dune?
I mean like what Ace wrote -- the setting is sci-fi but it's not just magic fantasy adventure like Star Wars and more just a realistic, grubby humanity that just happens to have lasers and robots and spaceships and stuff.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 02, 2013 04:00 PM (ZPrif)

228 I count undead as magic. There were some blue eyed zombies in book 1

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 02, 2013 04:01 PM (QTHTd)

229 netflix

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 02, 2013 04:01 PM (MhA4j)

230 >$400,000 for a wrecked F-40. I was wondering why the owner wasn't getting it fixed. What about insurance? Or suing the shop that wrecked it?

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 03:56 PM (uhftQ)


yeah if they think they can slap a few new fenders on that thing and make a profit... I don't see it. I see them losing their asses on that deal.

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 02, 2013 04:01 PM (8sCoq)

231 Actually Dune rules over almost all other fantasy and SF, as long as you pretend it's only one book.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 02, 2013 04:01 PM (QTHTd)

232 All you need to know about Game of Thrones -- Pirates.

Gay Pirates.

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2013 04:01 PM (KXm42)

233 205 186 You know who sucks at writing sex scenes--so bad you have to skip them?

Tom Clancy.

He wrote sex scenes? I'm having trouble remembering any. I guess there's John Clark and that girl who gets killed. But was there an actual sex scene, as opposed to the text version of a fade to black?
Posted by: red sweater at April 02, 2013 03:57 PM (oATMN)

__________________

Well that's just it. Thankfully there aren't that many.

The one I read was so bad--I'm actually blanking on it.

But it was there--I swear it's seared in my memory yet not really there.

Rainbow Six maybe?

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 04:01 PM (r2PLg)

234 Tom Clancy.

He wrote sex scenes?


I remember one, with Jack and Cathy in a hotel.

He approached it with the same technique he used to describe the nuke going off in Sum of All Fears.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 02, 2013 04:02 PM (rzNdC)

235 "Ugh"

Posted by: Truman North at April 02, 2013 03:58 PM (6B/Q5)

If you can't appreciate a nicely-shaped backside, then the progs have won.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2013 04:02 PM (0zDXv)

236 This year wasn't as bad, so maybe I can put a wrench or 2 to it.


Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 03:57 PM (xmcEQ)


Keep me updated. Half my time is spent buying tools I didn't know I needed when I started (I'm sure you're in the same boat).

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 04:02 PM (x3YFz)

237 full disclosure: I have never read a Tolkien book or seen a Lord of the Rings movie

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 02, 2013 04:02 PM (8sCoq)

238 And lolcats.



Gay pirates and lolcats.

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2013 04:02 PM (KXm42)

239 Gay Pirates.

That's DeNiro comedy.

Posted by: panzernashorn at April 02, 2013 04:03 PM (MhA4j)

240 I "read" Ender's Game and the sequels through a series of amazingly fantastically produced "audiobooks." They were read, but by very talented voice actors, that did some of the dialogue.

It wasn't a "radio drama" - the readings were unabridged - but they were so damn good at it, it felt that way.

Especially the guy who read Colonel Graff.

Posted by: grognard at April 02, 2013 04:03 PM (oA4wp)

241 And yet..... great classic stories.... Like 'Hammers Slammers'... (Big Futuristic Tank Warfare).... Dorsai (Geneticly superior soldiers..)... Falkenburg's Legion (Space Mercs with Politics)... sit ignored by Hollywood... because they do not fit the Liberal mold...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2013 04:03 PM (lZBBB)

242 There were some blue eyed zombies in book 1

Yeah, weren't they even in the prologue?

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 02, 2013 04:03 PM (rzNdC)

243 He wrote sex scenes? I'm having trouble remembering any. I guess there's John Clark and that girl who gets killed. But was there an actual sex scene, as opposed to the text version of a fade to black?
Posted by: red sweater at April 02, 2013 03:57 PM (oATMN)



I was thinking the same thing, I've read pretty much all the Clancy works and I can't think of a single actual sex scene. There's some mild stuff but you're right, it's all fade to black after that. Which is not a criticism by the way, I really don't want to ponder a Clancy sex scene.


brb watching Sin City to cleanse my mind of that thought

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 02, 2013 04:04 PM (VtjlW)

244 So basically it's medieval porn without the scabies and rotting teeth?

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 04:04 PM (r2PLg)

245 Seriously though, the whole thing is decent people getting screwed over, jerks profiting, vice and cruelty, pointless misfortune...no wonder I bailed on the first book and never went back. I have no idea what people see in that series.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at April 02, 2013 03:59 PM (fMiHM)


Well, it's realistic in that regard.

I'm not one for depressing, pessimistic views of the world in the books I read-- probably because I've got a depressing, pessimistic view of the world I live in, so why compound it? -- but what I find most intriguing about GoT is how characters react to particular challenges. Do they seek revenge, plot murder, turn the other cheek, run away... The characters don't always take the path you expect, and often the path they take changes them profoundly, which tangles up their moral compasses even more. They don't fix their mistakes.

I doubt the story will have a satisfying finale, just b/c I think Georgie Porgie doesn't have a clue how to WRITE a satisfying finale. But I'm interested to see where all of these people end up, and how they get there. The last time I was interested in characters like that was reading "The Belgariad," and GoT is much more diverse and morally challenging.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 04:04 PM (4df7R)

246 I'm doing it wrong. I read every word of those books. I guess I just have an interest in the stories so I don't get bored despite them being huge and sometimes pedestrian.

Posted by: Heralder at April 02, 2013 04:04 PM (+xmn4)

247 I'm not religious. I don't have anything against it or those that are, it's just not my thing.
That being said. I watched The Bible and the last hour was, well, moving. It's been on my mind constantly since then. I think that I had a glimpse of what the faithful see.
That show will change people.

Posted by: Max Entropy at April 02, 2013 04:04 PM (cwI1K)

248 Yeah. I have a highly un-collectable '78 Cutlass
I've been working on. It is easier to find parts for a Model A than for a
'78 Cutlass. They've all been crushed. I strongly suspect that parts
for '68 GS are easier to come by also.


Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2013 04:00 PM (aDwsi)


parts nowdays are a BITCH to come by. You'll find yourself crossing state lines to junk yards, trust me.

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 04:04 PM (x3YFz)

249 That splitting the sale may come back to haunt him.

You know how I know the show is real reality? When he was thinking about getting the bigger garage and he was so nervous he said he was about to hurl. When the thought of sticking his neck out for 200k made him so nervous he wanted to hurl.

That's what I went through for decade after decade. Every week. Stopping the car in VF park on the way to work almost every day and getting out and puking when the IRS was breathing down my neck for a tax I paid a half decade before they couldn't 'find'. I knew they could take the money and I'd miss a payroll and be sunk. They did take the money, btw. But I got it back.

I hope he doesn't lose his shirt, but I think it's gonna be close.

Posted by: Regular Moron at April 02, 2013 04:04 PM (feFL6)

250 Keep me updated. Half my time is spent buying tools I didn't know I needed when I started (I'm sure you're in the same boat).


Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 04:02 PM (x3YFz)


Yes. Every time I work on something, it's an excuse to head down to Sears for some more stuff from Craftsman.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 04:05 PM (xmcEQ)

251 >brb watching Sin City to cleanse my mind of that thought review Carla Gugino's acting

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 02, 2013 04:05 PM (8sCoq)

252 I don't know when basic business knowledge disappeared but it is disheartening.

I don't know when basic understanding of economics disappeared but it is disheartening. Having a lot of overhead doesn't make your product more valuable. Restoring old cars and reselling them for a profit is incredibly difficult. I question the reality of some of the prices they claim to be getting, but it's good tv. That one guys beard is pretty sweet.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 02, 2013 04:05 PM (+lsX1)

253 Cripes Bannion--who are you getting? you drove a Tercel for gawd's sake. Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 03:47 PM (r2PLg)

Yes, but I have since upgraded.

I think I could score a second-round draft pick now.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 02, 2013 04:05 PM (sbV1u)

254
251,
I have got to get a copy of Sin City then. Stat!

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 04:05 PM (lbiWb)

255 244
So basically it's medieval porn without the scabies and rotting teeth?

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 04:04 PM
===========

Odors..., don't forget eye-watering odors.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2013 04:06 PM (aDwsi)

256 Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 04:00 PM (LCRYB)

Hopefully the HBO version will spare us the pain.

I had no plans to read the series, and nothing I have seen in this thread has changed my mind.

I have read elsewhere that magic becomes more important as the plot(s) develop. I hope it doesn't become silly, because right now the balance is excellent.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 02, 2013 04:06 PM (0zDXv)

257 I swear after you read one Tom Clancy sex scene you never want to read another one.

I read one--there's no way that's some fantasy I made up because it would be better, or something.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 04:06 PM (r2PLg)

258 > Half my time is spent buying tools I didn't know I needed when I started



you 'need' ALL the tools. That's why they make them.

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 02, 2013 04:06 PM (8sCoq)

259 she has really bad teeth>>

I couldn't get past the creepy neck tats to even notice her teeth.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 02, 2013 04:06 PM (81UWZ)

260 parts nowdays are a BITCH to come by. You'll find yourself crossing state lines to junk yards, trust me.


Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 04:04 PM (x3YFz)


They said on FNL that Texas has more boneyards than any state in the country, so I should be good when I start looking around. Although, mine being a fox body Mustang, parts should be readily available.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 04:06 PM (xmcEQ)

261 Yeah. I have a highly un-collectable '78 Cutlass
I've been working on. It is easier to find parts for a Model A than for a
'78 Cutlass. They've all been crushed. I strongly suspect that parts
for '68 GS are easier to come by also.


Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2013 04:00 PM (aDwsi)


Honestly? If I were to open a small business today it'd be a salvage yard. You can charge top dollar these days because there's just nothing out there. Buy a farmer's old truck for $300 and sell the parts for $3,000.

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 04:06 PM (x3YFz)

262 So basically it's medieval porn without the scabies and rotting teeth?
Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 04:04 PM (r2PLg)


-----------------------------------------------


You forgot "yeast free".

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2013 04:07 PM (Oa0Hi)

263 I couldn't get past the creepy neck tats to even notice her teeth.


Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 02, 2013 04:06 PM (81UWZ)


Like I said earlier, she's got meth mouth.

Them teeth are horrible, she's skinny as hell with big fake boobs and really isn't all that nice in the face.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 04:07 PM (xmcEQ)

264 Yeah. I have a highly un-collectable '78 Cutlass I've been working on. It is easier to find parts for a Model A than for a '78 Cutlass. They've all been crushed. I strongly suspect that parts for '68 GS are easier to come by also.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
***

They are, but it didn't used to be that way. From the time I got it until they started making parts two decades passed. Compared to a Chevy or Ford, prices are waaaay up there, tho.
Hang in there. Ascars from the 60's and early 70'shave beensnapped up, people have been turning to the mid to late 70's ones. I'm betting we'll see more parts for your Cutlass soon.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 04:07 PM (uhftQ)

265 Why do people torture themselves by reading the book first? Just don't do it. Dune suddenly is a decent movie.

Posted by: Beagle at April 02, 2013 04:07 PM (sOtz/)

266 And yet..... great classic stories.... Like 'Hammers Slammers'... (Big
Futuristic Tank Warfare).... Dorsai (Geneticly superior soldiers..)...
Falkenburg's Legion (Space Mercs with Politics)... sit ignored by
Hollywood... because they do not fit the Liberal mold...



I proved that the public has no appetite for quality science fiction films.

Posted by: John Travolta at April 02, 2013 04:08 PM (8ZskC)

267 Actually Dune rules over almost all other fantasy and SF, as long as you pretend it's only one book.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 02, 2013 04:01 PM (QTHTd)


Yes, it's sad there was no sequel to Dune. Nearly as tragic as how there were only those two seasons of the BSG reboot and only that one season of Human Target.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 02, 2013 04:08 PM (VtjlW)

268 Not the Bible, I get reading that one.

Posted by: Beagle at April 02, 2013 04:08 PM (sOtz/)

269 @237. Jones. Never watch the movies. Ever.Might consider reading the books. Old school, but a classic for a reason.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Assault CAD Monkey at April 02, 2013 04:08 PM (K+mtQ)

270 Might consider reading the books. Old school, but a classic for a reason./i]

Except for Tom Bombadil.

I don't even know.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 04:09 PM (4df7R)

271 Game of Thrones premiere sets piracy record

http://tinyurl.com/cnf9uvv
Posted by: Caustic at April 02, 2013 03:20 PM (/b8+5)




This doesn't support bill maher.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2013 04:09 PM (XYSwB)

272 248

parts nowdays are a BITCH to come by. You'll find yourself crossing state lines to junk yards, trust me.


Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 04:04 PM
===============

Hey, I live in the south. I am already used to crawling through mud under piled cars, in kudzu/rattle snake infested backwoods junkyards..., you know...., just find that little accessory bracket for the PS pump....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2013 04:10 PM (aDwsi)

273 Tom Bombadil. That was weird. When I read it to my kids they laughed, derisively. And they were in grade school.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Assault CAD Monkey at April 02, 2013 04:11 PM (K+mtQ)

274 @237. Jones. Never watch the movies. Ever.Might consider reading the books. Old school, but a classic for a reason.


I second, third, and fourth this.

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2013 04:11 PM (KXm42)

275 *sigh* I know.

Posted by: Ed Wood at April 02, 2013 04:11 PM (Oa0Hi)

276 245...I doubt the story will have a satisfying finale, just b/c I think Georgie Porgie doesn't have a clue how to WRITE a satisfying finale.

A satisfying finale for me...would be to see the little blond boy-King, and his evil mother/aunt, get killed off in an especially painful way.

Like maybe...torched by the dragon-girl's dragons.

Posted by: wheatie at April 02, 2013 04:11 PM (5kUwW)

277 You GoT guys want a good book, I'm telling you: David Gemmell's "Legend" and once you're done you'll read every other book he wrote. He's on par with Tolkien, and I don't say that lightly.

You're welcome.

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 04:11 PM (x3YFz)

278

How funny will it be when the 3D version of Jurassic Park beats Jim Carrey's movie's opening weekend.

You just wait for the 3D version of Jim Carrey talking out of his ass. Hater.

Posted by: Jim Carrey Fan #117 at April 02, 2013 04:12 PM (eyJh9)

279 I hope most 78 Cutlass's haven't been crushed. It's a good looking car. Lots of potential too.
We have Desert Valley Auto Parts out here in AZ. They usually have what you need, but you tend to pay out the wazoo for it. However, if you are are regular they cut you deals.
What they ask for cars is insane.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 04:12 PM (uhftQ)

280 the trouble is he has a satisfying ending, he's just decided to pump out
a series of unnecessary filler books before getting to it.

=======
Fair enough.

But that kinda betrays the whole relationship between reader and author, yeah?
Why should I give you my time if you're going to waste it?



Posted by: RoyalOil at April 02, 2013 04:13 PM (VjL9S)

281 >>>Given that the title of the book series is "Song of Ice and Fire," it's always seemed like a sure bet to me that Jon SNOW and Daenerys Targaryen, daughter of DRAGONS, would end up together. it almost seems so obvious it can't be that simple. that said, yes, it's probably that. given that the dragon has three heads (i forget what prophecy that's in) the outstanding question is who is the third head, but that's not much of a question at all. It's Bran, duh.

Until book 5 I've assumed Bran as well (or maybe Tyrion once he decided to track down and serveDanerys,but he doesn't reallyfit into the "ice and fire" theme). But after ADWD I'm wondering if it's the "surprise survivor" that was revealed (sorry to be vauge, trying to avoid obvious spoilers).

Posted by: Croaker at April 02, 2013 04:13 PM (leNBy)

282 I'm shocked nobody has mention how much space is devoted to describing food and eating said food.

I believe they finally came out with a GoT cookbook based on the ludicrous amount of things GRRM describes.

Posted by: taylork at April 02, 2013 04:14 PM (ppNDn)

283 This doesn't support bill maher.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2013 04:09 PM (XYSwB)


Isn't it great?

BTW, does anyone get that annoying anti-piracy commercial on the radio? Where the guy talks about how once upon a time people recorded songs and other people bought them and everyone was happy, but today people record songs and make movies and bad people download them for free? I mean, I get the message. It just peeves me royally the way teh commercial acts like performing arts are sacred and precious, and there's some kind ofreverence we should pay to "The Thong Song."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 04:14 PM (4df7R)

284 Reading the GoT comments on repetitive writing, I'm reminded of Dagny Taggart "inclining her head" on every other damn page of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged.

And that's a lot of pages.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 02, 2013 04:14 PM (7ObY1)

285 Them teeth are horrible, she's skinny as hell with big fake boobs and really isn't all that nice in the face.

Yeah, but look at it this way; she'll model to make a buck, she'll crawl across a stinking floor on hands and knees to weld some part on the rusting frame of some old piece of shit. She'll grind some rusting shift linkage, then weld it and make it work.

She may not be the girl you'd bring home to Mom, but she's not laying around dropping babies while sucking at the govmint teat.

It's part of why I like the show; it's from a different time and place then 2013 America. More of the America I grew up in, where people worked. Now get off my lawn.

Posted by: Regular Moron at April 02, 2013 04:14 PM (feFL6)

286 the Lancasters won, BTW. Henry VII and Henry VIII, and all that


bummer...

Posted by: the House of York ( the blue rose ) at April 02, 2013 04:14 PM (Dll6b)

287 Except for Tom Bombadil. I don't even know.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 04:09 PM (4df7R)


That's where I put the book down and never picked it up again....

Posted by: Pipboy 3000 at April 02, 2013 04:15 PM (ggRof)

288 We have Desert Valley Auto Parts out here in AZ.
They usually have what you need, but you tend to pay out the wazoo for
it. However, if you are are regular they cut you deals.

What they ask for cars is insane.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 04:12 PM (uhftQ)


Sad thing is, MOST of them are like that now.

Barrett Jackson and Fast and Loud and Overhaulin and all them other shows made it so everyone things every part they have is worth a million bucks.

Pisses me off.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 02, 2013 04:15 PM (xmcEQ)

289 >>>Why should I give you my time if you're going to waste it?

i wouldn't. it started off great but has gone into a ditch.

the tv show, however, does tend to cut the fat and not waste so much of your time. in addition, the producers required GRRM to tell them the projected end of the series (in broad strokes) so they could finish the series should he die with the books unfinished.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 04:15 PM (LCRYB)

290 274
@237. Jones. Never watch the movies. Ever.Might consider reading the books. Old school, but a classic for a reason.


I second, third, and fourth this.


Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2013 04:11 PM
=======

I no longer read books (novels) that were not published before WWII. One good reason for that is, prior to that point, a book had to fairly good in order to be published. Moreover, there is a shit-load of very fine literature that I have never read, and as used books...., very inexpensive.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2013 04:15 PM (aDwsi)

291 Re: Tom Clancy and sex scenes

I did the google searches so you don't have to. I think the consensus is he did one, in The Bear and the Dragon (published in 2000). Something about "Japanese sausage". I thought I was current on his books (not the Tom Clancy ghost written universe), but I don't recall this plot. So maybe I missed it.

Posted by: red sweater at April 02, 2013 04:16 PM (oATMN)

292 One of the things I like about Fast N Loud is how on some old cars, they don't paint them, they just clear coat the distressed paint, rust and all

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 02, 2013 04:16 PM (8sCoq)

293 >>>I'm shocked nobody has mention how much space is devoted to describing food and eating said food. I believe they finally came out with a GoT cookbook based on the ludicrous amount of things GRRM describes.

Oh my God the eels. Eels everywhere!

Posted by: Croaker at April 02, 2013 04:16 PM (leNBy)

294 I'm shocked nobody has mention how much space is devoted to describing food and eating said food.

I swear he takes this right out of "Beowulf" and CS Lewis. My favorite parts in the "Narnia" series are often where the characters are sitting down to eat, and you get this wonderful description of all the food they're eating. Of course, Georgie Porgie is less appealing than that, hence the Beowulf thing, which is all "haunch of boar" and "leg of mutton" and the like.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 04:16 PM (4df7R)

295
"Odors..., don't forget eye-watering odors"
This. I chuckle every time I see folks in flicks walking unconcerned next to a row of tradesmen and shops. Ever smell an open tannery? Rendered fat for lye? Cooked urine for ammonia?
Trust me, you ain't casually sauntering past any of those places whilst engaging in witty banter.
Oh, and I searched that Carla Gugino. Wow. She does seem to have, er, talents...

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 04:17 PM (lbiWb)

296 Hey, I live in the south. I am already used to
crawling through mud under piled cars, in kudzu/rattle snake infested
backwoods junkyards..., you know...., just find that little accessory
bracket for the PS pump....


Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2013 04:10 PM (aDwsi)


I hear you, brother. I met a cajun friend in my travels through the military, we became pretty close, and he always invited me home (Thibodaux, LA) for some of mama's crawfish. More trucks and cars there ripe for the pickin' than anyone could imagine.

Good stuff.

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 04:17 PM (x3YFz)

297 I'm wondering if it's the "surprise survivor" that was revealed (sorry to be vauge, trying to avoid obvious spoilers).
Posted by: Croaker at April 02, 2013 04:13 PM (leNBy)


------------------------------------------


Well, from what I've seen so far, you don't have to worry about that.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2013 04:18 PM (Oa0Hi)

298 279
I hope most 78 Cutlass's haven't been crushed. It's a good looking car. Lots of potential too.

We have Desert Valley Auto Parts out here in AZ. They usually have
what you need, but you tend to pay out the wazoo for it. However, if you
are are regular they cut you deals.

What they ask for cars is insane.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 04:12 PM
===============

The car is straight-up stock, except for 403 Olds small-block, and Tremec TKO-600 5 speed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2013 04:18 PM (aDwsi)

299 That's where I put the book down and never picked it up again....
Posted by: Pipboy 3000 at April 02, 2013 04:15 PM (ggRof)


Skip over it and you're golden. I honestly have no idea what Tolkien was trying to do there and I wouldn't deign to guess, but you don't lose a thing by skipping it. Very odd.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 04:18 PM (4df7R)

300 You guys didn't like old Tom Bombadillo and his hippie wife?


::shrug:: haters

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2013 04:19 PM (KXm42)

301 I read Ender's Game yesterday.

I gotta tell ya, I don't get the hype.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 03:31 PM (LCRYB)



think of it as a period piece vs timely


back then, Netscape and Yahoo were first founded, and the Iomega Zip Disk was released.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2013 04:19 PM (XYSwB)

302 Sad thing is, MOST of them are like that now.Barrett Jackson and Fast and Loud and Overhaulin and all them other shows made it so everyone things every part they have is worth a million bucks.Pisses me off.
Posted by: © Sponge
***

I blame Barrett Jackson for 90% of the problem. These egotistical idiots with more money than brains got in prick waving fights and jacked up the price of cars overnight. At one point I saw CLONES going for 6 figures!
I used to go every year before it became a spectacle; the in place to go. It was awesome. It was all about the cars. Now they are secondary at best.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 04:19 PM (uhftQ)

303 back then, Netscape and Yahoo were first founded, and the Iomega Zip Disk was released.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2013 04:19 PM (XYSwB)


Ah, you mean the Paleolithic era.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 04:20 PM (4df7R)

304 >>>Oh my God the eels. Eels everywhere!

there are some lampreys in pies.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 04:20 PM (LCRYB)

305 Walking Dead finale.

Milton knew the governor back before the zombie
apocalypse and I thought that they would give us some back story on how
the governor went batshit screaming crazy evil and I figured Milton
would tell us. Maybe the governor was a grocery store clerk and just
had one too many customer holding up the line while they dug for exact
change. But now Milton is just greasy, grimy zombie guts and he won't
be telling anybody anything.


Posted by: WalrusRex at April 02, 2013 04:20 PM (XUKZU)

306 Posted by: Croaker at April 02, 2013 04:13 PM (leNBy)

I really don't think GRR M has any clue how this is going to end... he just grabed what he thought was a cool title.... and is now milking the story for as long as it sells...putting in extraneous plot lines...

Can anyone even tell me who the Protagonist is?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2013 04:20 PM (lZBBB)

307 Googling Carla Cugino has never dissappointed anyone ever.

Posted by: eleven at April 02, 2013 04:21 PM (KXm42)

308 302
Sad thing is, MOST of them are like that now.Barrett Jackson and Fast
and Loud and Overhaulin and all them other shows made it so everyone
things every part they have is worth a million bucks.Pisses me off.

Posted by: © Sponge

***



I blame Barrett Jackson for 90% of the problem. These egotistical
idiots with more money than brains got in prick waving fights and jacked
up the price of cars overnight. At one point I saw CLONES going for 6
figures!

I used to go every year before it became a spectacle; the in place
to go. It was awesome. It was all about the cars. Now they are secondary
at best.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 04:19 PM
=============

I've even stopped watching the show.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 02, 2013 04:21 PM (aDwsi)

309 291 Re: Tom Clancy and sex scenes

I did the google searches so you don't have to. I think the consensus is he did one, in The Bear and the Dragon (published in 2000). Something about "Japanese sausage". I thought I was current on his books (not the Tom Clancy ghost written universe), but I don't recall this plot. So maybe I missed it.
Posted by: red sweater at April 02, 2013 04:16 PM (oATMN)

___________

Be thankful.

He was probably getting nagged by a publisher to throw in more sex scenes so he wrote it so badly they would never ask again.

It's ironic because I was about to write the Japanese tech how- to -writer for Atari could have done a better job of it in Engrish.

Posted by: tasker at April 02, 2013 04:21 PM (r2PLg)

310 I refuse to begin readingGoT until I'm sure hewill finishit.
David Gerrold Syndrome is an ugly phenomenon.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at April 02, 2013 04:21 PM (qevSe)

311 Can anyone even tell me who the Protagonist is?
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2013 04:20 PM (lZBBB)


I'd say that by the nature of the story there are multiple protagonists. You really don't know who's going to win in the end, so each character is, essentially, a main character, and each character (of these main characters) undergoes some kind of character arc that causes them to change and grow.
Or, you know, get killed off. That happens a lot.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 04:23 PM (4df7R)

312 >>>But after ADWD I'm wondering if it's the "surprise survivor" that was revealed (sorry to be vauge, trying to avoid obvious spoilers).

who are you talking about? you mean C? Or do you mean the kid that goes around with Jon Connington claiming to be a descendant of the Targaryens?

If you mean the latter, it's not going to be some pretender just discovered in book 5 of a 7 book series.

If you mean the former, also no. She's a monster.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 04:23 PM (LCRYB)

313 If you mean the former, also no. She's a monster.
Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 04:23 PM (LCRYB)


In more ways than one.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 04:24 PM (4df7R)

314 Posted by: Romeo13 at April 02, 2013 04:20 PM (lZBBB)
I really don't think GRR M has any clue how this is going to end... he just grabed what he thought was a cool title.... and is now milking the story for as long as it sells...putting in extraneous plot lines... If I remember correclty there was a pretty entertaining Twitter dust-up between Martin and the producers of Lost over exactly this point after the series finale.

Posted by: Croaker at April 02, 2013 04:24 PM (leNBy)

315 Maybe I am too easy to please, but I was just happy to see the dragons grow up and a new episode. First episodes tend to be meh in some ways. Mainly setting up the season. I assume next week will feature Aria and Bran.

Posted by: Beagle at April 02, 2013 04:25 PM (sOtz/)

316 Can anyone even tell me who the Protagonist is?

There is no protagonist, just a bunch of unlikeable assholes milling about.

Which is why I stopped reading it.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 02, 2013 04:25 PM (rzNdC)

317 The car is straight-up stock, except for 403 Olds small-block, and Tremec TKO-600 5 speed.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
***

Niiice. I'll admit I don't know a lot about the Olds stuff, but you can't go wrong with 400+ C.I.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 04:25 PM (uhftQ)

318 Walking Dead finale.
Posted by: WalrusRex at April 02, 2013 04:20 PM (XUKZU)


quit watching WD after the first season.

Know I'll get some hate and a bit about "you don't get it! rrrrrr!"

But, seriously: it's plot-deficient and just plain boring. I'll sum up what I saw:

- cop left alone in hospital (24 days later? anyone? been done)
- zombies
- hunt for family
- find family
- wife dead
- some stuff no one cares about
- ???

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 04:25 PM (x3YFz)

319 You GoT guys want a good book, I'm telling you: David Gemmell's "Legend" and once you're done you'll read every other book he wrote. He's on par with Tolkien, and I don't say that lightly.

You're welcome.
Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 04:11 PM (x3YFz)


hmmm, thanks
I think we have that in our library. My husband buys books, I buy books, and it's hard to keep up. I think my hubby bought that series.

I need a new one for the summer.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2013 04:27 PM (XYSwB)

320
I just don't understand why everyone isn't dredging for gold off of Nome.

Posted by: jwest at April 02, 2013 04:27 PM (u2a4R)

321 I knew the wife died after someone at work was discussing it. shrugged. drank some coffee (bad coffee, at that).

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 04:27 PM (x3YFz)

322 287 Except for Tom Bombadil. I don't even know.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at April 02, 2013 04:09 PM (4df7R)

That's where I put the book down and never picked it up again....

Posted by: Pipboy 3000 at April 02, 2013 04:15 PM (ggRof)


Me too.

Loved the movies. Couldn't take the pace of the book. (Singular, because I never made it past that part of the first book. I assume the others are the same.)

Posted by: red sweater at April 02, 2013 04:28 PM (oATMN)

323 I need a new one for the summer.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 02, 2013 04:27 PM (XYSwB)


he wrote like 30 books. Several trilogies. When I got news he died in 2004 I was crushed, always wanted to meet him.

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 04:29 PM (x3YFz)

324 I've even stopped watching the show.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
***

Same here. Seeing it ruined for the average Joe really turned me off to the whole thing.
The last timeI went (4-5 years ago) they had a VIP parking section full of exotic supercars. It was right next to the entrance. The parking for us schmoes was in BFE and you had to catch a shuttle that bounced you around like a bean in a can.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 02, 2013 04:29 PM (uhftQ)

325 >>>There is no protagonist, just a bunch of unlikeable assholes milling about.

no that's not right. there are likable people -- every member of the stark family is likable including Sansa, who started out as a dumb little girl with dreams of being a princess. But then, she was 13 years old. So, like, what would one expect?

Tyrion is likable too.

Stannis, despite being a hard-ass prick and possibly duped by this world's version of Satan, is... well, he's not bad. Davos is likable as well.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 04:29 PM (LCRYB)

326 Carla Gugino is from my home town of Sarasota. She and Pee Wee Herman.

Posted by: Beagle at April 02, 2013 04:29 PM (sOtz/)

327 Martin reminds me of Jordan. Reading 11 pages of description from Jordan was just too much for me. The first Martin book was good but I found that Martin kept killing off the characters I liked. I quit after the third book.

Posted by: Thorisin at April 02, 2013 04:30 PM (jxir/)

328
@295
"Odors..., don't forget eye-watering odors"
This. I chuckle every time I see folks in flicks walking unconcerned next to a row of tradesmen and shops. Ever smell an open tannery? Rendered fat for lye? Cooked urine for ammonia?
Trust me, you ain't casually sauntering past any of those places whilst engaging in witty banter.
Oh, and I searched that Carla Gugino. Wow. She does seem to have, er, talents...
---------------------------
Tracy Hickman, one half of the original Dragonlance team, released a book a couple of years ago (Eventide - not DD related in any way, shape, or form) that featured, among other things, a tanner who had been born with no sense of smell. The problems that others have when visiting him are pretty funny. Of course, what gets even better is when he suddenly wakes up one morning and his nose is working properly...

Posted by: junior at April 02, 2013 04:30 PM (UWFpX)

329 Another fantasy author who loves food? JV Jones. She was a chef when she was writing her first book IIRC.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 02, 2013 04:31 PM (QTHTd)

330 >>>But after ADWD I'm wondering if it's the "surprise survivor" that was revealed (sorry to be vauge, trying to avoid obvious spoilers). who are you talking about? you mean C? Or do you mean the kid that goes around with Jon Connington claiming to be a descendant of the Targaryens? If you mean the latter, it's not going to be some pretender just discovered in book 5 of a 7 book series. If you mean the former, also no. She's a monster.
The latter, and I hope you're correct that he ends up being a pretender - just seemed like Martin might have been going for an alternate "SURPRISE!" since everyone hasfigured out theR+L=J "twist".

Posted by: Croaker at April 02, 2013 04:32 PM (leNBy)

331 I hereby declare this thread derailed. Well done!

Posted by: tangonine at April 02, 2013 04:32 PM (x3YFz)

332 I don't trust Sansa. Her wolf died and that means she lost her soul.

It could be I'm reading "Game of Thrones" as if Philip Pullman wrote it.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 02, 2013 04:32 PM (QTHTd)

333 #102: Of course I would hang myself before watching a mini series about the Bible. Posted by: doug at April 02, 2013 03:30 PM (Lf1Ga)
Whatever that means. Ex-Christian here, so I have challenged major assumptions more than once...

Posted by: doug at April 02, 2013 04:33 PM (75C2c)

334
328,
Now that would be a good tale. I'll look it up.

Posted by: Kitty Frontage formerly known as Jess1 at April 02, 2013 04:33 PM (lbiWb)

335
@328
not DD related in any way, shape, or form
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Stupid lack of ampersands.

>.<

That should obviously read "... not D and D related..."

Posted by: junior at April 02, 2013 04:34 PM (UWFpX)

336 Man that's some brutal formatting on my part, sorry about that.

Posted by: Croaker at April 02, 2013 04:35 PM (leNBy)

337 >I hereby declare this thread derailed. Well done!


Just because Carla Gugino was topless in Sin City?

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 02, 2013 04:36 PM (8sCoq)

338 >That should obviously read "... not D and D related..."

Posted by: junior at April 02, 2013 04:34 PM (UWFpX)


like this: D&D

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 02, 2013 04:36 PM (8sCoq)

339 A coalition of progressive organizations will stage a protest outside
Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer’s New York office on Tuesday to assail his
immigration policies, which they feel are being shaped by campaign
contributions from private-prison interests.
http://tinyurl.com/blgg92c

Wonder how many showed up. Prisons are big business.

Posted by: Caustic at April 02, 2013 04:36 PM (/b8+5)

340
@334
328,
Now that would be a good tale. I'll look it up.
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Just to give you a heads up, the book is a collection of short stories that take place over the course of several months, and are strung together to form a complete plot. The book as a whole is written witha focus on humor. The tanner doesn't appear until one of the later stories.

Posted by: junior at April 02, 2013 04:37 PM (UWFpX)

341
@338> That should obviously read "... not D and D related..."

Posted by: junior at April 02, 2013 04:34 PM (UWFpX)


like this: DD
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Which is exactly the way that I wrote it. Instead, it came out looking like the book wasn't related to a discussion of bra sizes. Of course, that's not exactly inaccurate. It's just not what I was intending to say.

Posted by: junior at April 02, 2013 04:38 PM (UWFpX)

342 @336
That is AoSHQ Premium Platinum Auto FUBAR Formatting if I am not mistaken. On my computer itmakesthewordslikethis and removes the indents.

Posted by: Beagle at April 02, 2013 04:39 PM (sOtz/)

343 "Gidget Goes Hawaiian". Now THERE's a movie.

Posted by: Soona at April 02, 2013 04:39 PM (Oa0Hi)

344 I think that Tyrion and Arya are the protagonists, but other contenders are Snow, Sansa, and Dany, but I have a feeling that those who say Martin has no idea how to finish it may be right. I am hopeful that the contract he now has will force him to do so with some haste and we can be done with it. While I am generally enjoying it still, the fifth book wore on my patience more than I care, and I may not continue much longer. I quit reading the wheel of time, because I got fed up with all the women having EXACTLY the same mannerisms and character.

Posted by: doug at April 02, 2013 04:40 PM (I6iFS)

345 So it's like Dungeons and Dragons with nekkid people?

If that bothers you, don't join the HQ DnD League, then.

Posted by: marky kirk at April 02, 2013 04:40 PM (VwC86)

346 I hereby declare this thread derailed. Well done!

Declaring this thread "derailed" is rather like complaining when your butterfly net failed to reroute the Mississippi: The fallacy is that you could have controlled it at all...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Shogun at April 02, 2013 04:41 PM (fMiHM)

347 I love that this little blog site is still pining for technology from decades ago, like ampersands, RSS, and manageable archives.

Posted by: red sweater at April 02, 2013 04:41 PM (oATMN)

348 It's nice to have a blog to read that still works well on my Netscape 1.0 beta.

Posted by: zsasz at April 02, 2013 04:42 PM (MMC8r)

349 Just finished the first book and enjoyed it though I find Martin to be a bit of a manipulative turd sometimes. Some characters are complex, others transparently one dimensional based on whether Martin wants you to like them immediately or not. Too much filler and then when you feel some detail is needed you get some alternate perspective that while nice leaves you feeling like WTF? Example: Martin devotes much time giving you Ned Starks inner thoughts up to his imprisonment. Varys shows up...Ned must choose, honor or pragmatism? What are Ned's thoughts as he's led up in front of everyone? What are his thoughts on Jofs decision? Guess we won't know. That would be too much detail. Better to view the whole thing from Aryas perspective.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at April 02, 2013 04:45 PM (dvRYt)

350 "The Bible" Finale Racks Up 11.7 Million Viewers

DVR'd it. Please don't tell me how it ends.


If it ends before you get to watch it, it won't matter.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 02, 2013 04:49 PM (sdudD)

351 I expect Sansa to die, and at the hand of a Stark. Probably Arya.

Because, again, the wolves are the souls of the Starks.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 02, 2013 04:49 PM (QTHTd)

352 >>>The latter, and I hope you're correct that he ends up being a pretender - just seemed like Martin might have been going for an alternate "SURPRISE!" since everyone hasfigured out theR+L=J "twist".

GRRM has all but confirmed the R+L=J twist. In a CNN interview, the producers reveal GRRM wanted to test them (when they first met) to see if they were the fans they claimed they were; he asked them who Jon Snow's mother was (and I assume the producers got it right).

And this was years and years ago, before book 5 and before book 4. So it's based on books 1-3.

I can't see how that doesn't basically confirm the R+L = J thing.

Further, I saw him discussing what to do about the fact that everyone now knew it; he said, correctly IMO, that it's more important that it make sense and hang together than it surprise people. I suppose the pretender might be an attempt at a diversion or an attempt to somehow make you forget R+L=J.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 04:51 PM (LCRYB)

353 >>>Because, again, the wolves are the souls of the Starks.

you may be overreading that. Sansa jumped to the Lannister house as her wolf was killed. (Well, she tried to, then was a captive for years.) The death of the wolf might just track with her being out of the Stark fold.

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2013 04:52 PM (LCRYB)

354 MORE RAPE

Posted by: George RR Martin in 2 x 4 at April 02, 2013 04:53 PM (OB5cy)

355 So much rape in the books, it's like he was writing it for Ashley Judd.

Posted by: NR Pax at April 02, 2013 05:08 PM (U+O64)

356 The death of the wolf might just track with her being out of the Stark fold.

You mean "pack". Folds are for sheep. :^)

But yes, that would apply to Arya as well. The difference is that Arya's wolf is still at large. So Arya can return to the pack.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 02, 2013 05:22 PM (QTHTd)

357 Ace

You have a huge problem on your Orwellian illegal alien thread.

Unless you agree with the policy of killing illegal aliens for target practice.

Posted by: Carl Jung at April 02, 2013 06:00 PM (mKRyJ)

358 Man, I can't believe you guys have gone this long and no one has mentioned the Hyperion series by Dan Simmons.

Two words: The Shrike


Get it. Read it. You'll thank me later, I promise

Posted by: Pave Low John at April 02, 2013 06:02 PM (yC+bT)

359 DVR'd the whole set and the family watched the whole thing sans commercials on Easter Sunday.

Awesome story. The torture and crucifying was a tear jerker... Bastard Romans.

Buying the DVD for sure. Soon to be an Easter tradition.

Posted by: TexBob at April 02, 2013 06:49 PM (G0Tpd)

360 The third book was where I lost interest in that series. It was a long time ago, so all I remember is putting the book down andonly picking it back up months later to put in a box when I moved,but I think it was probably for the reasons you outlined, Ace.

Posted by: Eddie Willers at April 02, 2013 07:30 PM (bRdb3)

361
I used to watch GoT for the nudity, then I got interested in it. However, it has gotten to convoluted and boring. There has been a lot of build up with no battle between the 'people' and the white walkers.

Posted by: perdogg at April 03, 2013 08:45 AM (oSdsj)






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