Hard Times Out There For a Blogger

Ace-a-Thon Day 2. Give 'til it hurts.

Shot:


Chaser:

Journalist and political blogger Matthew Yglesias bought a three-bedroom, three-bath condo on Q Street in Logan Circle for $1.2 million. In a converted Victorian rowhouse, the unit has original exposed-brick walls and a private patio. Yglesias writes about business and the economy for Slate.

So, party at Matty's this weekend? I mean, I'm sure he won't mind if we crash the joint, what with that myth of owning private property and all.

Here at the HQ, we have our sights set much lower. All we're trying to do is get Ace a new cardboard box for the Spring, and maybe an upgrade to the fancy paper plates and individual plastic utensils ... although I hear he's going pretty well with his Assault Spork there under the bridge.

Posted by: Andy at 08:24 AM



Comments

1 So the existence of hackery pre-dates the existence of talent?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 22, 2013 08:26 AM (tqLft)

2 What a douche

Posted by: Fen at March 22, 2013 08:28 AM (a422o)

3 Jeez, Yglesias makes Vladimir Pozner seem reasonable and intelligent.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 22, 2013 08:28 AM (tqLft)

4 You sir, are an asshole. Rules are for little people, right Matt?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 22, 2013 08:29 AM (da5Wo)

5 It is really hard to get a razor edge on a spork!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 22, 2013 08:30 AM (Cnqmv)

6 What a loathsome asshole. (Ysglesias, not Ace. We love ya, ya award winning Ewok.)

Property plainly existed before any state, unless you can define a single person as a state. After all, the first property was defined with a statement tot he effect, "Touch my stuff and I'll kill you." The individual could either back up the threat or he couldn't. Those who could were able to amass property.

Where the state came in was when a bunch of guy figure out they could take down Mr. Property Owner by ganging up on him and in turn better retain property by cooperatively assigning members to defend while the others were doing other necessary tasks.

So it should be remembered that the state has its origin in group thuggery.

Posted by: epobirs at March 22, 2013 08:31 AM (kcfmt)

7
I'm banking on the notion that if I push this commie bullshit hard enough, the commissars will come for me last.

Posted by: Matty Eyesglazeias at March 22, 2013 08:31 AM (vbh31)

8 Wait...I'm a douche on Twitter, and I can't afford a $1.2M mortgage (fuck the townhouse, I'm getting a farm with an old barn full of garbage), so I'm filing this under "society is too sick to save."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 22, 2013 08:32 AM (hO8IJ)

9 So according to Matty, no one owned anything until government came around.

Got it.

That must be news to the first Neanderthal ever to curb stomp another one for touching his spear.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 08:33 AM (sbV1u)

10 Wait...I'm a douche on Twitter, and I can't afford a $1.2M mortgage

Thank you to my capitalist swine mommy and daddy.

Posted by: Matty Eyesglazeias at March 22, 2013 08:35 AM (vbh31)

11 Vladimir Pozner, now that's a blast from Phil Donohue's past. I remember their "reasonable" dialogs. I wonder if that new show about the Russian spies will work that into a script. Just saw Rick Sanchez on Fox morning show going the reinvention route talking about farm subsidies. Guess all is forgiven.

Posted by: Harp at March 22, 2013 08:36 AM (h9ygK)

12 I'm waiting for the media to pontificate over Chelsea Clinton's $10MM apartment purchase. Crickets when an idol's kid is in the 1%.

Posted by: SurferDoc at March 22, 2013 08:37 AM (6H6FZ)

13 And "private property is a myth" implies that the government owns everything. Which is more true right now than we want to believe, but it shouldn't be.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 22, 2013 08:37 AM (hO8IJ)

14 That must be news to the first Neanderthal ever to curb stomp another one for touching his spear.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 08:33 AM (sbV1u)



Heh heh.

[Insert gay neanderthal joke here]

No not there!

Posted by: mugiwara at March 22, 2013 08:37 AM (W7ffl)

15 Journalist and political blogger Matthew Yglesias bought a
three-bedroom, three-bath condo on Q Street in Logan Circle for $1.2
million.





The fact that this asshole has that much money tells me we're in Bizarro World

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2013 08:38 AM (1Jaio)

16
The concept of the State falsely implies the existence of modern governance is prior to the existence of the Catholic Church.

I mean, as long as we're getting down to brass tacks, Matt.

Posted by: Bigby's Jazz Hands at March 22, 2013 08:38 AM (3ZtZW)

17 Meanwhile:

Pope cancels his own newspaper subscription.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 22, 2013 08:38 AM (NxuOr)

18
15
Journalist and political blogger Matthew Yglesias bought a

three-bedroom, three-bath condo on Q Street in Logan Circle for $1.2

million.



The fact that this asshole has that much money tells me we're in Bizarro World


Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2013 08:38 AM (1Jaio)


The fact that a 3Bed/3Ba costs $1.2mil tells me people are fucking stupid.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 22, 2013 08:39 AM (da5Wo)

19 And "private property is a myth" implies that the government owns everything. Which is more true right now than we want to believe, but it shouldn't be. Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 22, 2013 08:37 AM (hO8IJ)

Clearly, Matty is not very well read.

http://tinyurl.com/cv36nl7

And really, why would I listen to someone so poorly educated?

I only wish I had seen that Tweet when it first came out.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 08:39 AM (sbV1u)

20 Typical European commie Bull Shit

Posted by: Vic at March 22, 2013 08:40 AM (53z96)

21 I'm not terribly surprised the leftards hold views like this; I'm surprised they can publicly state things like this and not get lynched.

It probably helps that low info voters never hear things like this (the media dutifully ignores them), but they probably wouldn't even understand the statement anyway. Hell, they'd probably think, "That sounds smart," and nod along.

Posted by: red sweater at March 22, 2013 08:40 AM (oATMN)

22 All we're trying to do is get Ace a new cardboard box for the Spring, and maybe an upgrade to the fancy paper plates and individual plastic utensils ... although I hear he's going pretty well with his Assault Spork there under the bridge.

Cardboard box? Luxury.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2013 08:41 AM (zF6Iw)

23 So it should be remembered that the state has its origin in group thuggery.
Posted by: epobirs at March 22, 2013 08:31 AM (kcfmt)

Not just the origins... they are a mafia we tolerate out of necessity.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 08:41 AM (FsUAO)

24 Hmmm, early cave dwellers understood property, to wit:

1. acquire shelter=desirable
2. defend shelter=necessary

Ergo: shelter is now mine to hold and defend against the vissitudes of a subsistence lifestyle.

They also smelled better than Mattie and had bigger balls.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wilde Wrepublican Wench at March 22, 2013 08:41 AM (1Tubq)

25 Hey Matt, welcome to my cave.....

Now let's talk about who owns it........where did I leave my club,hmmmmm

Posted by: caveman at March 22, 2013 08:42 AM (+PG07)

26 The concept of "redistribution" falsely implies that the existence of property is prior to the existence of the state. #mythofownership

You know, if you break that statement down into it's base elements, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Oh, wait...eyeglassias.

Forget it.

Posted by: Island of Misfit Tweets at March 22, 2013 08:43 AM (NxuOr)

27 How bout this Matty:

If you come for my stuff, I'll kill you.

See? No state intervention needed!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 08:43 AM (FsUAO)

28 Iglesias strikes me as the type of tasteless fuck that would have "exposed brick walls".

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 22, 2013 08:43 AM (PUtqE)

29 I only wish I had seen that Tweet when it first came out.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 08:39 AM (sbV1u)



For that, you'd probably have to follow the douche. I salute the brave souls who actually keep their eyes on these guys. It has to be done, but man, you're sacrificing your sanity. You will never have a peaceful day.

Posted by: red sweater at March 22, 2013 08:43 AM (oATMN)

30
"Thank you to my capitalist swine mommy and daddy. "

Please, God, let this be the truth. Knowing the talentless FUPA Dunham got millions for nothing was bad enough.

Posted by: Jaws at March 22, 2013 08:44 AM (4I3Uo)

31 I wonder what the dipshit would say if the government said it wasn't fair that he's living in a $1.2 million place and they are going to redistribute it to the poor.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2013 08:44 AM (1Jaio)

32
"Thank you to my capitalist swine mommy and daddy"
The part of the MattYG success story that conveniently gets memory holed...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 22, 2013 08:44 AM (lbiWb)

33 If property doesn't exist until the state exists, then neither does individual labour - you literally are not an individual person until the state "validates" you.

Which Yglesias also probably agrees with.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 22, 2013 08:45 AM (YYJjz)

34 Silly me! Here I was, thinking that we were all endowed - by, like, a Creator - with certain inalienable rights, and that the purposes of government were only to secure those rights.

What a rube I've been. Thanks for the civics lesson, Matt!

Posted by: Dante at March 22, 2013 08:45 AM (SkFDg)

35 If you come for my stuff, I'll kill you. Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 08:43 AM

So all you homos, keep your meathooks off.

Posted by: Francis "Psycho" Soyer at March 22, 2013 08:45 AM (sbV1u)

36 Anyone feel like helping themselves to some of Matt's stuff?

Posted by: EC at March 22, 2013 08:46 AM (GQ8sn)

37 Thank you to my capitalist swine mommy and daddy.

Yeah, I'm flashing back 20 years to college, where douches with trust funds wearing $150 Birkenstocks would tell me and my $19 Target knockoffs that capitalism was evil. What I didn't realize at the time was they hated it because it allowed poor people to have the same decent standard of living--shelter, food, entertainment, new clothes now and then--as they could. Sure, smaller houses, pleather instead of leather, fewer brand names, spring break in Kansas instead of Aruba, but if you're decently hard-working and correctly prioritizing, you can put new shoes on your kids' feet instead of begging for castoffs, like poor people in the "good old days."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 22, 2013 08:46 AM (hO8IJ)

38 OK, just tossed a Grant to the head Ewok. If Ace can allow me to defile his place with warmed-over Hollywood stories, I can at least pay for the pixels I use.

Got an early doctor's appointment, so will be in and out. bbl.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2013 08:46 AM (zF6Iw)

39 This is mine.

Posted by: three year olds (from all times) at March 22, 2013 08:46 AM (+PG07)

40 Hive People vs. Free People.

Let It Burn

Posted by: eman at March 22, 2013 08:46 AM (64rcm)

41 In my youth, while the other kids were on the couch all day long with Xbox, I would watch the old newsreel clips of Soviet tanks and missiles streaming through Red Square on May Day. I would become strangely aroused and eventually shoot my teeny little cannon onto the carpet. Mom caught me once, in the middle of a particularly nasty salvo and I was grounded for three days. Good times!

Posted by: Matty Eyesglazeias at March 22, 2013 08:47 AM (vbh31)

42 you literally are not an individual person until the state "validates" you.

Wait, is this another gay marriage thread?


Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 22, 2013 08:48 AM (hO8IJ)

43 Rights, like property, have the same origins and dishonest mythology. Rights were whatever freedoms and control over property an individual could secure from moment to moment by force of arms. Still true today, though we pretend the State guarantees our rights. Some people in Cyprus and the rest of the EU are learning those lessons anew lately.

Posted by: SurferDoc at March 22, 2013 08:48 AM (6H6FZ)

44
Tell ya what. If I get a check today from the company I contract for, (it's late...very late, and I'm jonesing for some money...but only to pay bills, and and eat, and shit), I'll drop some money in the tip jar. But I want ampersands, damnit!

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 22, 2013 08:48 AM (0IhFx)

45 I beg to differ.

Posted by: .44 magnum at March 22, 2013 08:49 AM (+PG07)

46 &

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 08:49 AM (FsUAO)

47 #37, HRCE - you're spot on, and it (the mouthfoaming venom about such things) dates a few years prior. Sure any time the "classes" clashed one could hear such mutterings, but it really took off in the later 70's as more and more folk began to attend the ivory towers... as true global commerce took off in the 80's we really began to hear the moaning of the (so called) elites.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 22, 2013 08:49 AM (lbiWb)

48
And "private property is a myth" implies that the government owns
everything.
Which is more true right now than we want to believe, but it
shouldn't be.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 22, 2013 08:37 AM (hO8IJ)



Barry: You've been reading my second term manifesto?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2013 08:50 AM (1Jaio)

49 "Black helicopter crowd", or any rational person who has the faintest notion of what America is all about:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/d7x4kvs
(h/t to Bretibart)

Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 08:50 AM (1V6Pv)

50 Mary Poppins-

I see on your website that you did research on Jack the Ripper. The local Flower Show had-believe it not- a prize winning display related to the Whitechapel Murders. It was great! . As you well know, there are suspects for who JTR actually was-including several "new" ones in the past couple of years including a morgue attendant. Who do you think was responsible?

I will order your mystery. I enjoy that genre.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 08:51 AM (g7q64)

51 What I didn't realize at the time was they hated it because it allowed poor people to have the same decent standard of living--shelter, food, entertainment, new clothes now and then--as they could.

Neither did I. It was a satisfying moment, albeit about 10 years later. It was almost worth going to reunions for. but no quite enough.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 22, 2013 08:51 AM (NxuOr)

52 The stupid is strong with Matt.

Posted by: Mainah at March 22, 2013 08:52 AM (659DL)

53 I wonder if he even understands what he is writing, or is more like a parrot who just understands "say X, get reward Y."

Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 08:52 AM (I2LwF)

54 As Matty is getting head from Darryl Hannah while snorting blow (if he can get it) in the back of limo, he can simultaneously kiss my ads.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 22, 2013 08:53 AM (PUtqE)

55 53 I wonder if he even understands what he is writing, or is more like a parrot who just understands "say X, get reward Y."
Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 08:52 AM (I2LwF)

X

X

X

Am I invited to the right parties now?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 08:53 AM (FsUAO)

56 So if property doesn't predate the state, doesn't that mean that the Native American Indians weren't mistreated?

Posted by: Boone at March 22, 2013 08:53 AM (NF2rf)

57 Matty, the Brain Cell Slayer likely truly believes the crap he writes, but even if he doesn't, he knows writing it is a good gig.

Posted by: eman at March 22, 2013 08:54 AM (64rcm)

58
A little OT here...but I know some of the 'rons and 'ettes are kind of computer savvy. I want to add Linux...specifically a 64 bit version as a second boot option. I don't want this to run under windows in any way. I have plenty of HD space, and I'm looking for a robust, and stable build, with lots of support for third party devices.

Any recommendations out there?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 22, 2013 08:54 AM (0IhFx)

59
Matt has never watched 'Finding Nemo'?

"mine!Mine!Mine!mine!Mine!mine!

Posted by: Seagulls at March 22, 2013 08:54 AM (UrENZ)

60 http://preview.tinyurl.com/d7x4kvs
(h/t to Bretibart)
Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 08:50 AM (1V6Pv)

What a piece of shit.

How'd we lose to this douche?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 08:54 AM (FsUAO)

61 I meant my ass. Damn phone .

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 22, 2013 08:55 AM (PUtqE)

62
#53,
Hey, what do you have against Parrots? FWIW, my grandkid's guinea pig figured out which lever gets little foody pellets... so I'll go w/Matty = guinea pig.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 22, 2013 08:55 AM (lbiWb)

63 A little known fact about me. I rise, sometimes at the crack of noon, and spend at least three hours cultivating this classic hipster douchebag look of mine. Then, and only then, I Tweet.

Posted by: Matty Eyesglazeias at March 22, 2013 08:55 AM (vbh31)

64 "mine!Mine!Mine!mine!Mine!mine! Posted by: Seagulls at March 22, 2013 08:54 AM (UrENZ)

They stole that from Daffy Duck

http://tinyurl.com/awjropu

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 08:56 AM (sbV1u)

65
#58, some good insights here:

http://tinyurl.com/blrgb7a

Posted by: Jess1 at March 22, 2013 08:58 AM (lbiWb)

66 So if property doesn't predate the state, doesn't that mean that the Native American Indians weren't mistreated?

Posted by: Boone at March 22, 2013 08:53 AM (NF2rf)


Bingo!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 22, 2013 08:58 AM (1Jaio)

67 You ever try dry-scraping a hobo skin with a spork? It takes serious talent.

Of course, it also helps if they're dispatched before skinning.

Posted by: Fritz at March 22, 2013 08:59 AM (UzPAd)

68 Lets redistribute Matty's house. One brick at a time, with time lapse photography. It would look great on YouTube.

Posted by: epobirs at March 22, 2013 08:59 AM (kcfmt)

69
Happy Friday, 'rons and 'ettes.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 09:00 AM (fwARV)

70 Upper decker at Matt's!!!

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 22, 2013 09:00 AM (UU0OF)

71 Wait, is this another gay marriage thread?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Please-Noooooooooooooooo,!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 09:00 AM (g7q64)

72 Any recommendations out there?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 22, 2013 08:54 AM (0IhFx)

Wubi(From Ubuntu) I think it's called is fine. It runs as a true boot, but will simply take up a "large file" under Windows as its partition.

If you download the standard ISO for it, it is included I believe as a standard option. You can uninstall Linux from inside Windows too.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:00 AM (FsUAO)

73 As a child, I'd spend hours at a time in front of a mirror banging my little shoe on the desk, screeching "We will bury you!".

Posted by: Matty Eyesglazeias at March 22, 2013 09:00 AM (vbh31)

74 Of course, it also helps if they're dispatched before skinning. Posted by: Fritz at March 22, 2013 08:59 AM (UzPAd)

Well that would be rather unsporting, wouldn't it be old chap?

Posted by: Robert Crawley, Sixth Earl of Grantham at March 22, 2013 09:00 AM (sbV1u)

75 The concept of "redistribution" falsely implies that the existence of property is prior to the existence of the state

Now that the douche chill I just got has passed for the moment, I have to ask a question: If we derive our property rights from the State, then from where does the State get its property rights?

If the State is just people acting on our behalf, how is it possible that they can rightfully do things that we cannot do ourselves?

How can an agent have more authority than his principal, from whence his authority came?

Posted by: Phinn at March 22, 2013 09:01 AM (oFH2D)

76 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 08:51 AM (g7q64)

FS, I still go with the "Aaron Kosminski" theory that Paul Begg and Martin Fido came out with nearly 20 years ago. I think it's the one that fits the known facts as closely as it does. If you've ever read any of Colin Wilson's work on true crime (especially his "right man" theories), you'll see why I think the big name suspects like Dr. Gull or Walter Sickert are complete red herrings.

And I hope you enjoy the book!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2013 09:01 AM (zF6Iw)

77 So if property doesn't predate the state, doesn't that mean that the Native American Indians weren't mistreated?

Posted by: Boone at March 22, 2013 08:53 AM (NF2rf)


This.Is.Awesome.

Posted by: red sweater at March 22, 2013 09:01 AM (oATMN)

78 I don't begrudge anyone their wealth, but how does someone get paid so well for writing stupid shit? I mean, it's not there's a shortage idiotic opinions out there, most of which are free.

Posted by: Mullaney at March 22, 2013 09:01 AM (s8XaI)

79
73
As a child, I'd spend hours at a time in front of a mirror banging my little shoe on the desk, screeching "We will bury you!".


Posted by: Matty Eyesglazeias at March 22, 2013 09:00 AM (vbh31)


As a child, I spent hours kick your ass all over various athletic fields.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 22, 2013 09:02 AM (da5Wo)

80 Q street. Now there's an appropriate address for Matty Y.

Posted by: Stu-22 at March 22, 2013 09:02 AM (AiYlm)

81 *kicking



Fuck. Must need more Mt Dew.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 22, 2013 09:02 AM (da5Wo)

82 There is no more loopy and perpetually ironic cadre of people out there than the young rich liberal demographic. Seriously. Nobody is that loopy. Actual mental patients are not that loopy. The latter at least have moments of clarity. Even without meds.

Speaking of which, and also in terms of demographics and of ironies, one of the more amazing factors of our politics is the extent to which people on the right, even today, refuse to accept leftism for what is really is: a mental disorder, not a legitimate ideology.

There are conservatives out there who want to "debate" liberals. Or to convince liberals of the errors of their ways. Or metaphorically to convert liberals to the right way of thinking. They view politics as a polite debate society.

Newsflash: You can't "debate" a liberal. You can't convince a liberal of anything. Again, leftism is a mental disorder, not a political set of viewpoints. The only way to deal with a liberal is to make sure that he doesn't have actual political power. That means putting down your comic books, setting aside the video games, tossing away the litmus tests, and voting across the board against leftism in every election. And, yes, Cassandra, that means "holding your nose" and voting Republican. Otherwise you've cast a de facto ballot for Matt Yglesias to be in charge of the entire country.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 22, 2013 09:04 AM (r2PLg)

83 Ace could hock that nifty award he just received. Should bring about $2.50 street.

Posted by: Attila at March 22, 2013 09:04 AM (Cs2tJ)

84
The concept of "redistribution" falsely implies that the existence of property is prior to the existence of the state. #mythofownership


Isn't it wonderful how he can just fart out words like that as if he knows what the fuck he's talking about? Why, it's almost like he thinks he's a Big Boy with Big Ideas! As if he's not just parroting the terms and phrases of failed commies down through the centuries.

By the way, I'm sure early man -- let us say a "caveman" namedUgbuk -- would love to know that thewooden spear with the flint spearhead and the bone knife he made for himself to hunt and ward off predators WEREN'T REALLY HIS, since there was no "state" to speak of at the time and thus no such thing as property. If Muglug had tried to claim that bone knife as his own, Ugbuk would have stoved his head in with a rock, because fuck Muglug. "Ugbuk knife!"

And then he would have been soundly lectured by Yglesias for not being a good little Communist, at which point Ugbuk would have wholloped Matty over the head with a mammoth femur and used his corpse as bait to lure cave lions, because fuck Yglesias. "Ugbuk knife!"


Dear Yglesias,

Make no mistake: what happened in your mouth was redistribution.

Sincerely,
The HQ

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:05 AM (4df7R)

85 Meanwhile:

Pope cancels his own newspaper subscription.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 22, 2013 08:38 AM (NxuOr)

========

I wonder if the guy on the other end of that conversation tried to change the Pope's mind about canceling with free Sunday delivery or something like that:

"But really Your Holiness, we value your business and hate to lose you as a subscriber- would you consider..."

Posted by: Nighthawk at March 22, 2013 09:05 AM (RSqz2)

86 See, this is my house. Rules are for you little people. Me, I am a big person.

Posted by: matty iglesias at March 22, 2013 09:05 AM (+PG07)

87 You know, reading imbecile shit like Yglacier fuckstick writes makes me want to pull out the cutlass and start cutting imbecile throats.

Posted by: maddogg at March 22, 2013 09:06 AM (OlN4e)

88 Newsflash: You can't "debate" a liberal. You can't convince a liberal of anything. Again, leftism is a mental disorder, not a political set of viewpoints. The only way to deal with a liberal is to make sure that he doesn't have actual political power. That means putting down your comic books, setting aside the video games, tossing away the litmus tests, and voting across the board against leftism in every election. And, yes, Cassandra, that means "holding your nose" and voting Republican. Otherwise you've cast a de facto ballot for Matt Yglesias to be in charge of the entire country. Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 22, 2013 09:04 AM (r2PLg)

Oh yeah!?!?!?! Well.......well.....

......

Racist!

Posted by: Typical In-Need-of-Meds Leftard at March 22, 2013 09:06 AM (sbV1u)

89 Oklahoma House of Representatives joins "black helicopter crowd" in personal affront to Plugs Biden:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/chfrc2z

Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 09:06 AM (1V6Pv)

90 As a child, I spent hours kick your ass all over various athletic fields.

And that is precisely why I am so maladjusted and have such and unbelievably warped world view. But I shall have my revenge!

Posted by: Matty Eyesglazeias at March 22, 2013 09:07 AM (vbh31)

91 #78

When someone is this dumb and in a manner to promote evil ideas in the weak of mind? I begrudge him every cent. And want to grant him his wish of living in his fantasy utopia, where he can be properly ground under foot.

Posted by: epobirs at March 22, 2013 09:07 AM (kcfmt)

92 When I think back on how easy it would have been building and paying for my house if I had turned gay and married a guy instead of my wife, it seems unfair.

Sure, I may have had to suck a dick or two, but think of that extra income and all the money spent in decorating.

Matt may be an asshole, but he might be on to something here.

Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 09:08 AM (u2a4R)

93 57, and dwindling...
http://preview.tinyurl.com/btnqjxr

Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 09:08 AM (1V6Pv)

94 I may have missed it, but, did Andy know that Daily Caller is hat tipping him, and linking to here?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2013 09:08 AM (tySjn)

95 Now that it's known where to find him, my modest proposal is that all of Matty's furniture and other personal property be redistributed, for the benefit of all the poor (and mostly black) people who were displaced in the process of creating said gentrified shitbag yuppie/hipster enclave.

Because social justice and fairness, you guys.

Posted by: Stu-22 at March 22, 2013 09:08 AM (AiYlm)

96 This is why you can't debate a liberal, we are working on completely different premises.

Of course when they have presidential aspirations they hide their crazy notions.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:09 AM (FsUAO)

97 I want you all to imagine the following scene, and let it warm you through the rest of the day:

Matt Yglesias meeting Genghis Khan.

I leave it to y'all to embroider the details of how that encounter would play out.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:09 AM (4df7R)

98 Holy shit. Has anybody scrolled through his twitter feed???? He "doesn't understand how a higher minimum wage affects Apple".



Basic economics you dumb fuck.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 22, 2013 09:09 AM (da5Wo)

99 I'm fighting the strong urge to create a twitter account just to call this guy an asshole.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at March 22, 2013 09:10 AM (OjQYm)

100
Thanks Jess, and Hobo. Reading through the information you've provided. Wubi looks interesting.

I'm hoping to find something with decent 64 bit, and multicore support. So much of the available Windows stuff is kind of dodgy/iffy on all that.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 22, 2013 09:10 AM (0IhFx)

101 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:10 AM (4OvDk)

102
This is a problem I run in to quite a bit with the lefties who flit through the real world:

Whenever some asinine bullshit like this flies past their teeth, I feel the wheels in my mind churning out epic mega-rants which I intend to use to slice, dice, julienne and generally take a massive shit upon their dumbassness.

Then I realize that there is nothing I can say, no data I can present, no fact I can prove that will change their minds even one millimeter.

So I say to myself, 'Fuck it,' and go about my day like it never happened.



Am I losing an opportunity to spread the truth or am I saving myself from smashing my skull into a stupidly immovable object? Anyone else run into this? How have you handled it, and what were the results?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 09:10 AM (fwARV)

103 I leave it to y'all to embroider the details of how that encounter would play out.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:09 AM (4df7R)


Quickly and messily.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 22, 2013 09:10 AM (da5Wo)

104
Ace needs money?

Maybe he should say a prayer.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 22, 2013 09:11 AM (tOkJB)

105 Matt was always picked last in gym class.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 22, 2013 09:11 AM (yCWX6)

106 Mental

Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 09:11 AM (I2LwF)

107 I have read the "True Crime" material on The Ripper. You couldn't be convinced it was Robert Mann? ;^)

http://tinyurl.com/yaqyh5k

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 09:11 AM (g7q64)

108

Matt Yglesias is a communist putz.

Posted by: Lily at March 22, 2013 09:11 AM (igSv+)

109 The concept of "redistribution" falsely implies that the existence of property is prior to the existence of the state.

The fu...?

That's a real tweet? He didn't get hacked? Because that might be the stupidest thing I've heard in... well, hours, but it's still just f*cking stupid.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:11 AM (4OvDk)

110 See, this is my house. Rules are for you little people. Me, I am a big person. Posted by: matty iglesias at March 22, 2013 09:05 AM (+PG07)

The thing about people like this....and I deal with them EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. in my office, is that if you point out the obvious, and quite legitimate objections to them, they are still clueless.

You could be sitting in a bar with Yglesias and say, "Matt, that was some serious bullshit you tweeted. You really believe that the State pre-dates the human conception of property? Really? C'mon, man." And he would just roll his eyes and look at you like you're some fucking simpleton. Like everything that springs from the fevered recesses of his mind is so glaringly self-evident that to deny it marks you as deluded at best and mentally ill at worst.

They literally cannot conceive of a world where people can civilly disagree with them on the merits, or lack thereof, of their arguments. They cannot conceive of a world where the answer may lie somewhere between what they believe and what their opponent believes.

.....

Which is why they must be terminated with extreme prejudice.

For the children.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 09:12 AM (sbV1u)

111 Whenever some asinine bullshit like this flies past their teeth, I feel the wheels in my mind churning out epic mega-rants which I intend to use to slice, dice, julienne and generally the urge to take a massive shit upon their dumbassness.

Fixed, from my perspective.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:13 AM (4OvDk)

112 Also, Tsar Nicholas wins the thread. Epic.

Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 09:13 AM (I2LwF)

113
92
>>>>Sure, I may have had to suck a dick or two, but think of that extra income and all the money spent in decorating.

Another fucking rich cocksucker

Posted by: Bigby's Jazz Hands at March 22, 2013 09:13 AM (3ZtZW)

114 If property doesn't exist until a state exists, then I guess we don't owe the Native Americans a damn dime.

Posted by: biancaneve at March 22, 2013 09:14 AM (6bYlh)

115
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 08:56 AM (sbV1u)


Heh. I didn't even to click to remember thatone! Genie in a bottle, baby!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at March 22, 2013 09:14 AM (UrENZ)

116 I often wonder if one of those big, furry hats with the shiny red star would clash with my hipster douchebag x-ray specs and skinny jeans?

Posted by: Matty Eyesglazeias at March 22, 2013 09:14 AM (vbh31)

117 Fixed, from my perspective.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:13 AM (4OvDk)

Okay, that made me laugh. Out loud. In my silent office.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 09:15 AM (fwARV)

118 This thread needs more windmills.

Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 09:15 AM (I2LwF)

119 Some others of us were always picked last in gym class too and yrt somehow avoided ending us as illogical as Matt Inglesias.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 09:16 AM (g7q64)

120 @102 I'm moving back to the United States of America, where The People aren't medicated to their gills for their neuroses, are armed if they wanna be, and understand that God-given rights are inalienable: they're on you like white on rice, you can't even scrub them off.
Then it will be STFU/STFD, biatch. Come back when you can talk sense.

Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 09:16 AM (1V6Pv)

121 What's criminal is how the left rewards its minions like Matt Yglesias when they produce nothing of benefit to the collective. No physical product, food or service.

Posted by: The Generic, Award Winning Moron at March 22, 2013 09:16 AM (+I8Mq)

122 "writes about business and the economy for Slate"

Really!?

Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 09:16 AM (I2LwF)

123 Am I losing an opportunity to spread the truth or am I saving myself from smashing my skull into a stupidly immovable object? Anyone else run into this? How have you handled it, and what were the results?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 09:10 AM (fwARV)


Personally I think a short, meaningful barb does a lot more good than a longwinded rant. Like the earlier commenter said, "So if there's no such thing as property, that means the indians weren't mistreated." BOOM. Short, sweet, to the point, and it forces a lefty to entertain for the moment the fact that he or she is advocating two conflicting points of view. None of them are smart enough to grasp this right off, but that's okay. All you do is say it, then walk away. Don't let them respond; just walk away. If you allow them the last word they'll think they've "won" and they'll never reflect on what you said. So just ignore their sputtering shouts of rage, turn your back and walk away.

And always remember: you're right, they're wrong.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:17 AM (4df7R)

124 Okay, that made me laugh. Out loud. In my silent office.

You're welcome.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:17 AM (4OvDk)

125
Myth of property ownership?

Common sense is becoming less common every day.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at March 22, 2013 09:17 AM (Sptt8)

126 Andy, if Ace ever ran a fundraiser for the express purpose of upgrading to a blogging platform that was easier to use for bloggers and commenters, I believe the money bombs would start dropping.

We bitch, sure. But how many lurkers stay away because Pixy ate their comment or ran off from the razzing they got after pasting a quote from a web page and it turned into a three-screen shitstrosity? If commenting is *really* important to the success of this site, like we're always told, why not provide tools that make it EASIER to participate?

The humblest blog on blogspot has better reader interfaces. What it doesn't have is the content Ace does. Or the community.

There are plenty of us that spend a lot of time here that would dig deep if asked to fund a website upgrade. I also have ideas along those lines. Email me if you want them.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 22, 2013 09:17 AM (gNVKv)

127 A pimp's blog is different from a square's blog.

Posted by: Matt Yglesias at March 22, 2013 09:18 AM (QupBk)

128 Matty sure has the douchebucket avatar pic down pat.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 22, 2013 09:18 AM (/yS3m)

129 Matt was always picked last in gym class.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 22, 2013 09:11 AM (yCWX6)


And yet so was I, but I managed to grow up into an intelligent conservative, whereas Matty grew up into an anti-intellectual dickbag communist.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:18 AM (4df7R)

130 Iowahawk-in his twitter feed-has already taken Inglesias to task. LOL:

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2013 09:18 AM (g7q64)

131 104 Ace needs money?

Here's a thought.

How about the powers that be at AoSHQ put together a proposal of what it would cost to put together a seriously working website with all the bells and whistles. On top of that, toss in operating expenses for a year. Then, let's include a generous stipend for our talented host.

From that point, leave it to the award winning commentariat to figure out how to raise the money.

Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 09:19 AM (u2a4R)

132 I have a friend who is always begging me to get involved in fighting with trolls. She's very passionate about troll fighting.

I just can't do it. You can't really ever "win" in a meaningful way.

Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 09:19 AM (I2LwF)

133 Amateur Webzine Slate

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at March 22, 2013 09:19 AM (QupBk)

134 Martty likes being useful.

Vanguard of the Proletariat, you know.

Posted by: eman at March 22, 2013 09:19 AM (64rcm)

135 If commenting is *really* important to the success of this site, like
we're always told, why not provide tools that make it EASIER to
participate?


Spot on.

Posted by: The Third Horseman of The Apocalypse at March 22, 2013 09:19 AM (vbh31)

136
MWR-
Great way to illustrate ownership, but not in the language it can be understood. Once you refer to native Americans as Indians, that will spark a seperate neural pathway.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at March 22, 2013 09:20 AM (Sptt8)

137 19 Year Old Female Sailor found shot on my old ship.
Prayers to her family.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/9wbldop

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 22, 2013 09:21 AM (tySjn)

138 Does a person own his body?

Bodies and persons existed before the state.


He must be using "own" in a highly technical way.

Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 09:22 AM (I2LwF)

139 Or "property" I guess, not "own"

Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 09:22 AM (I2LwF)

140 There are plenty of us that spend a lot of time here that would dig deep if asked to fund a website upgrade. I also have ideas along those lines. Email me if you want them. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 22, 2013 09:17 AM (gNVKv)

Ditto. Ace would get a 4 figure contribution from me.

In spite of his bi-monthly shitting on most of what I believe in.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 09:22 AM (sbV1u)

141 Great way to illustrate ownership, but not in the language it can be understood. Once you refer to native Americans as Indians, that will spark a seperate neural pathway.
Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at March 22, 2013 09:20 AM (Sptt


True, very true. I invite the speaker to use whatever nomenclature they feel is best suited to the audience.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:23 AM (4df7R)

142 There are plenty of us that spend a lot of time here that would dig deep if asked to fund a website upgrade. I also have ideas along those lines. Email me if you want them.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 22, 2013 09:17 AM (gNVKv)

While I don't disagree at all with your assessment of the state of the blog, what format of commenting would be better? Other than obvious things like being able to post links easily, etc.

I don't really like the idea of threaded conversations. Do you just want something like HotAir where you can easily quote and backtrack through the conversation?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:23 AM (FsUAO)

143 three-bedroom, three-bath condo on Q Street in Logan Circle for $1.2 million


-------------


Oh, so THAT'S why he does it.



Directly or indirectly, your wealth is being redistributed to him. All his rent-seeking opinion venues are ultimately subsidized by us, the very people he throws shit at like a monkey at the zoo.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at March 22, 2013 09:24 AM (LJ2uj)

144
I think Jimmy Buffet says it pretty well:

"You can't really own that rock
It's just a waste of time"

Between making and spending oodles of filthy lucre, that is.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at March 22, 2013 09:24 AM (Sptt8)

145 In an odd and illogical way, Yglesias is correct.

Property is a modern, legal construct...I guess.

What the asshat doesn't understand is that possession is the underlying concept.

I have this rock/spear/haunch of meat/3bedroom condo. You can't take it from me.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 09:24 AM (3Mkrp)

146 98

Holy shit. Has anybody scrolled through his twitter feed???? He "doesn't understand how a higher minimum wage affects Apple".

Basic economics you dumb fuck.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 22, 2013 09:09 AM (da5Wo)


Well, the problem is that "real world" economics aren't his "economics".

He's simply a rather unintelligent guy (like Obama) who's smart enough to suck up to the right people and parrot the progtard party line convincingly.

No matter what it is.

Or alternatively, he's an intelligent guy who doesn't believe one word of what he writes because it's all crapola for the LiV but progtard contol of govt generates a lot of gravy for those connected. And he gets his little cup by following the progtard party line.

Either way, you can't reason him out of his overpaid lick-spittle job source.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 22, 2013 09:24 AM (G9qZk)

147 OT- I'm about this close {holds fingers really, really close together} to going off on an epic rant about public schools and beginning advocating ending them completely.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:24 AM (4OvDk)

148 I counted coup against Mr. Yglesias that day....

Want to know how I KNOW there's media bias?

Ace has to sell pencils in his blind ewok disguise and Matt "retard" Yglesias makes six figures writing what I offer the porcelain gods after an all you can eat at the prune shack....

Posted by: sven10077 at March 22, 2013 09:24 AM (zMNOn)

149 I'm fighting the strong urge to create a twitter account just to call this guy an asshole.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at March 22, 2013 09:10 AM (OjQYm)


That's half of Twitter's customer base right there.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2013 09:25 AM (zF6Iw)

150 He must be using "own" in a highly technical way.
Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 09:22 AM (I2LwF)

Well a classic defense of private property is that our things become extensions of ourselves. A sword an extension of one's arm. The glasses an extension of the eyes. Etc.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:25 AM (FsUAO)

151 Regarding Leviathan and its tentacles, a Ron White joke:
The flight instructor was an aggressive gay top. He told the flight student that the student was going to have to submit to his advances or jump out of the plane.
Flight student's friend: "Well, did you jump?"
Flight student: "A little. At first."

Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 09:25 AM (1V6Pv)

152 Does a person own his body? Bodies and persons existed before the state.

This is what i'm thinking, too. Because if a person's body is not their own, then frankly it doesn't matter if you sell someone into slavery, rape them, murder them, eat them with a delicately flavored wine sauce, harvest their organs, or feed them to the dogs.

Oh, and it also means that "a woman's right to choose" isn't actually a right, because her body and everything inside it isn't her own. But if the state thinks she should have an abortion, then she'll have one whether she wants it or not.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:25 AM (4df7R)

153 Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 09:22 AM (sbV1u)

To be fair, we like to shit on you too.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 09:25 AM (3Mkrp)

154 - I'm about this close {holds fingers really, really close together} to going off on an epic rant about public schools and beginning advocating ending them completely.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:24 AM (4OvDk)


*starts chanting* Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:26 AM (4df7R)

155 147 OT- I'm about this close {holds fingers really, really close together} to going off on an epic rant about public schools and beginning advocating ending them completely.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:24 AM (4OvDk)

dude, I think half the HQ is with you on this, no need to rant.

If we immediately dissolved the public school system, kids would be no worse off in about 10 years.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:26 AM (FsUAO)

156 Property is a modern, legal construct...I guess.

No. Property is one of the Natural Rights. It exists independent of society, let alone a State. The words we use to describe it and the things we do to defend (or otherwise) it may be modern concepts, but Property existed from the first time someone could legitimately say, "This is mine, it is not yours."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:26 AM (4OvDk)

157
People want easier posting? Why?

I'm with Calvin's Dad on this one. This place builds character.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 22, 2013 09:26 AM (tOkJB)

158 "While I don't disagree at all with your assessment of the state of the blog, what format of commenting would be better? Other than obvious things like being able to post links easily, etc. "

I haven't heard anyone lobbying for a change of format. Leave everything just the way it is but working.

Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 09:26 AM (u2a4R)

159 And always remember: you're right, they're wrong.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:17 AM (4df7R)

124Okay, that made me laugh. Out loud. In my silent office.

You're welcome.Posted by:

AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:17 AM (4OvDk)


God, I fucking love this place.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 09:26 AM (fwARV)

160 OT: Public service announcement
Some months ago a commenter here had a snake in her (his) home. There were a number of suggestions on dealing with it. Well as a safety warning if you have a snake in or around your home...
Do not set the snake on fire!
[link on handle]

Posted by: RioBravo at March 22, 2013 09:27 AM (eEfYn)

161 @152 "Avec cette sauce, on pouvait manger son père."

Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 09:28 AM (1V6Pv)

162 To be fair, we like to shit on you too.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 09:25 AM (3Mkrp)


"Keep talking..."
-German coprophiliacs

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:28 AM (4df7R)

163 I just can't do it. You can't really ever "win" in a meaningful way.Posted by: Truman North at March 22, 2013 09:19 AM (I2LwF) Thats true Truman, but it is an invaluable chance to become one with your inner asshole. We're getting married.

Posted by: maddogg at March 22, 2013 09:28 AM (OlN4e)

164 Ok I take it back.

The kids would be better off the following year.

Immediately, money would go back into people's pockets, and people like Bill Gates would create for profit/non-profit school systems from nothing, hiring only the best teachers.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:28 AM (FsUAO)

165 Status of tip jar: Hit


Status of Matty: Douche


Status of the #@$%* temps here: Below zero again


Status of liver: Twitching slightly

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 22, 2013 09:29 AM (KjlbF)

166 To be fair, we like to shit on you too. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 09:25 AM (3Mkrp)

You don't shit on my beliefs.

You just shit on me.

Big difference.

Then again, this criticism comes from the guy who puts rocket on pizzas. So I'm taking it with grain of salt...

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 09:29 AM (sbV1u)

167 Subjects, not citizens.


The whole myth of ownership bullshit is not even first year philosophy stuff. Hell, it's not first week philosophy stuff. It's an incredibly lazy conflation of the mechanism of the state being used to enforce property law with the ex nihilo simultaneous creation of the concept of property along with the creation of a state. The fact that the state arises in order to provide some mechanism outside of brute force to enforce those rights which humans had prior to the existence of the state appears to be something outside the grasp of most of the Left.

Or, more aptly, the gulls in Finding Nemo have a better grasp of the inherent nature of property rights than does Matty.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Pre and post dating everything. at March 22, 2013 09:29 AM (VtjlW)

168 So if a state collapses, property disappears?

Yggy is a dumbass.

Posted by: zsasz at March 22, 2013 09:29 AM (MMC8r)

169 MATT YGLESIAS: Mom, Dad, I want to live in this nice neighborhood in DC but I don't have the money. [Sniffs audibly]

MRS. YGLESIAS: Poor dear. You should be close to your friends! Honey, buy him a condo in Logan Circle and we'll play Rich Man and His French Maid tonight.

MR. YGLESIAS: YES! Okay you sniveling little commie, here's the money for your outrageously expensive condo.

MATT YGLESIAS: Thanks mom and dad! Remember that the state predated concepts of private property, you capitalist pigs!

MRS. YGLESIAS: Yes dear.

Posted by: joncelli, who missed breakfast at March 22, 2013 09:29 AM (RD7QR)

170 just made the tip-jar rattle... thanks for all the great reading and good laughs, ace!

Posted by: massideas at March 22, 2013 09:30 AM (wPoi1)

171 All I want from commenting is an easier way to track threads of conversation. Aka some sort of quoting mechanism to easily backtrack.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:30 AM (FsUAO)

172 Or, more aptly, the gulls in Finding Nemo have a better grasp of the inherent nature of property rights than does Matty.

I really hate that movie. As in "have to leave the room when my kids watch it" hate that movie.

But despite itself, it does have some valuable lessons.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:30 AM (4OvDk)

173 Hear him, hear him! Preach it, my brother in-arms!



Andrew Sullivan


Treasurer


North American Confederacy of Opinion Shapers with Intentionally Penis-Shaped Heads.

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at March 22, 2013 09:30 AM (LJ2uj)

174 Reading The Deerslayer, JF Cooper. One of the best meditations on property and culture I've seen in a long time (and a great read).

Your stuff is your stuff "or we may settle the matter with a rifle."

That, and never trust the French.

Posted by: NYC Parent at March 22, 2013 09:30 AM (HEo6y)

175 Or, more aptly, the gulls in Finding Nemo have a better grasp of the inherent nature of property rights than does Matty.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Pre and post dating everything. at March 22, 2013 09:29 AM (VtjlW)


I desperately want a gif of those gulls now that I can post to Matty's twitter feed.

Oh wait, it can't be his twitter feed, because property doesn't exist outside of the State.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:31 AM (4df7R)

176 I bought a house, with almost undoubtedly more space, seven miles from Matty and paid about 1/3 of that. But oh, he gets to walk to work. So that justifies spending $800,000 more.

And Logan Circle isn't even that nice. It's basically the hipster hangout of DC - picture a slightly more upscale version of Williamsburg. You really have to question the intelligence of plunking that much in that neighborhood, even as an investment. Truly, this guy is an all-around idiot.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at March 22, 2013 09:31 AM (Ud5vq)

177 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:26 AM (4OvDk)

In my extremely poorly thought-out comment, that's my point.

It's the word that's modern. The idea of possession is as old as the earth.

Just tell that to the lion protecting his kill from other lions and hyenas and democrats.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 09:31 AM (3Mkrp)

178 All I want from commenting is an easier way to track threads of conversation. Aka some sort of quoting mechanism to easily backtrack. Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:30 AM (FsUAO)

I don't.

Threaded convos are a PITA. I like the scrum nature of this blog.

I just want better comment tools.

Oh, and it would be nice if Ace actually cleaned up all the links to dead blogs in the side bar......like he said he was going to do over a year ago.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 09:32 AM (sbV1u)

179 156 allen g,

He would laugh at the concept of natural "self evident" rights big guy..

Matt Y and the rest of Ezra "de" klein's juicy box mafia is why I decided on divorce....

Posted by: sven10077 at March 22, 2013 09:32 AM (zMNOn)

180 If property doesn't exist until a state exists, then I guess we don't owe the Native Americans a damn dime.

Except I guarantee you Yglesias would argue that the Sioux Nation or the Five Nations of the eastern tribes were actual "states," so pay up, paleface.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2013 09:33 AM (zF6Iw)

181 I have this rock/spear/haunch of meat/3bedroom condo. You can't take it from me.

This is why people invented "ganging up on you," also known as "government."

If he'd said that once the state arises, property rights cease to exist (practically speaking), that would make sense. At the very least, it's a contention that means something.

But making sense and meaning things is not his job.

Posted by: oblig. at March 22, 2013 09:33 AM (cePv8)

182 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/21/harry-reid-gun-control_n_2927098.html

Universal background checks being put in the bill.

It better go down in flames. Call your senators.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:33 AM (FsUAO)

183 Just tell that to the lion protecting his kill from other lions and hyenas and democrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 09:31 AM (3Mkrp)


Nancy Pelosi face deep in the soft underbelly of a dead gazelle.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:33 AM (4df7R)

184 #152...China has been there for years, so has Islam, except they force their wimmens to have the babies instead of killing the second child. As for parts, one of the nastiest things about abortion that never gets discussed is what sometimes happens to the chunks of baby. Some of it winds up in research.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wilde Wrepublican Wench at March 22, 2013 09:34 AM (1Tubq)

185 Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 09:32 AM (sbV1u)

Not threads. Just a way to backtrack. Currently everyone has their own method of quoting, or referencing someone earlier in the thread. Right now you have to hope they included the person;s name, the posting time, the posting number, etc.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:34 AM (FsUAO)

186 Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 09:29 AM (sbV1u)

I have a sneaking suspicion that when I am old and grey and reading AOSHQ in the reeducation camp, someone will give me shit about that arugula pizza.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 09:34 AM (3Mkrp)

187 ::::While I don't disagree at all with your assessment of the state of the blog, what format of commenting would be better? Other than obvious things like being able to post links easily, etc. ::;:

How about pressing the space bar and getting a fucking space? Or hitting the Enter key and getting a new paragraph?

This excuse about trolls being able to fuck up the comments by allowing HTML is bullshit. NO other blog on the fucking planet has these vulnerabilities. You couldn't design a customer experience to suck this hard. Unless you were Pixy Misa.

I know he "maintains" this site for free. Can you honestly say that's a huge favor? You have lots of us on record, offering to upgrade him at no cost, and help with fundraising to fund into the future.

For fuck's sake, it's like trying to talk a dame into letting you buy her some new shoes. And failing to convince her. It's like I'm taking fucking crazy pills.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 22, 2013 09:35 AM (gNVKv)

188 So... what's this I'm hearing about Cyprus reducing the amount they would steal from their citizens form 10% to 40%?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:35 AM (4OvDk)

189 I have a sneaking suspicion that when I am old and grey and reading AOSHQ in the reeducation camp, someone will give me shit about that arugula pizza. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 09:34 AM (3Mkrp)

And rightfully so.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 09:35 AM (sbV1u)

190 OT- I'm about this close {holds fingers really, really close together} to going off on an epic rant about public schools and beginning advocating ending them completely.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:24 AM (4OvDk)


You should get a blog for that.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2013 09:35 AM (zF6Iw)

191
For fuck's sake, it's like trying to talk a dame into letting you buy her some new shoes. And failing to convince her. It's like I'm taking fucking crazy pills.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 22, 2013 09:35 AM (gNVKv)

But these things are obvious, and would be done with *any* blog software circa 2000. I was wondering if you meant anything more.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:36 AM (FsUAO)

192 When the walls come down and everything unravels, the bright side is that we get to hunt these scum down for tar and feathers. I call dibs on Matty.

Posted by: Fen at March 22, 2013 09:36 AM (a422o)

193 Matty is a product of the foolish belief that we have created things that are above Nature. He thinks laws and government and other human inventions supersede kinetics and thermodynamics and chemistry and biology, etc.

They do not. We are here on Earth fighting a losing battle against entropy. Our weapon is energy from the Sun and we are fighting the battle as it has been fought for over 3 billion years.


Posted by: eman at March 22, 2013 09:36 AM (64rcm)

194 Not threads. Just a way to backtrack. Currently everyone has their own method of quoting, or referencing someone earlier in the thread. Right now you have to hope they included the person;s name, the posting time, the posting number, etc.

Each comment has it's own ID (just hover over the number and you'll see it's a hyperlink). It wouldn't be that hard (I think) to add a button that says "Quote" or "Respond" to a comment.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:37 AM (4OvDk)

195 Except I guarantee you Yglesias would argue that the Sioux Nation or the Five Nations of the eastern tribes were actual "states," so pay up, paleface.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 22, 2013 09:33 AM (zF6Iw)


Except that, as I understand it, tribal beliefs at the time were that no one could "own" the land. So all the settlers did was inhabit something that the indians had inhabited previously. They had to get rid of the indians to do it, but hey, if the natives didn't own the land, then they didn't have to defend it, now did they? They could have just walked away. "Oh look, other people. They want to live on that patch of ground, too? well, okay. It's not mine, so I can't stop them. I'll head west."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:37 AM (4df7R)

196 "Yglesias went to high school at The Dalton School in New York City and later attended Harvard University where he studied philosophy. He graduated magna cum laude in 2003. He was editor-in-chief of The Harvard Independent, a weekly newsmagazine, and also wrote for several other campus publications."

Are you sure mommy and daddy didn't buy him the condo as a present?

"Matthew Yglesias's father Rafael Yglesias is a screenwriter and novelist and the son of novelists Jose Yglesias, of Cuban and Spanish descent, and Helen Bassine Yglesias, daughter of Jewish Polish immigrants."
http://tinyurl.com/3tgql7w

I don't read anything this guy writes, my time is too valuable, but if he majored in philosophy why isn't he driving a cab in NYC like all the other philosophy majors?

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 22, 2013 09:37 AM (/b8+5)

197 Of course, I say that as someone who hates working with HTML, so it could be more difficult than I think.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:37 AM (4OvDk)

198 For fuck's sake, it's like trying to talk a dame into letting you buy her some new shoes. And failing to convince her. It's like I'm taking fucking crazy pills. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 22, 2013 09:35 AM (gNVKv)

Ace doesn't want to "sell out" EoJ. Professionalism is sooooo declasse.

What's baffling is that this is how he makes a living.

FFS, he doesn't have to turn into Glenn Reynolds. He just has to LET. US. HELP. HIM.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 09:37 AM (sbV1u)

199 "Not threads. Just a way to backtrack. Currently everyone has their own method of quoting, or referencing someone earlier in the thread. Right now you have to hope they included the person;s name, the posting time, the posting number, etc."

I get it. Not a "reply" button but a "reference" button. Something you can click on to following something back to the source.

Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 09:37 AM (u2a4R)

200 The concept of "redistribution" falsely implies that the existence of property is prior to the existence of the state. #mythofownership

Journalist and political blogger Matthew Yglesias bought a three-bedroom, three-bath condo on Q Street in Logan Circle for $1.2 million. In a converted Victorian rowhouse, the unit has original exposed-brick walls and a private patio. Yglesias writes about business and the economy for Slate.


All animals are created equal, but some animals are created more equal than others.

How many times do I have to tell you people?

Posted by: GeorgeOrwellsGhost at March 22, 2013 09:38 AM (7ObY1)

201 Tip Jar = Hit

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 22, 2013 09:39 AM (fwARV)

202 Dump up

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 22, 2013 09:39 AM (sbV1u)

203 Each comment has it's own ID (just hover over the number and you'll see it's a hyperlink). It wouldn't be that hard (I think) to add a button that says "Quote" or "Respond" to a comment.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 22, 2013 09:37 AM (4OvDk)

That would work at least.

My dream solution would be the ability to highlight a comment portion you care about, then "Quote" that, which would give the posting number(and link to backtrack) with the original poster's name included.

I do that now, just much more cumbersome.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:39 AM (FsUAO)

204 Posted by: eman at March 22, 2013 09:36 AM (64rcm)

Well said.

I would include arrogance in that description.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 09:39 AM (3Mkrp)

205 @194 Some of us surf with the minimum of active content.
You get similar functionality using your browser's find-function with any search term, unique identifier... "creampie"... "huge naturals"....

Posted by: Thorvald at March 22, 2013 09:39 AM (1V6Pv)

206
"Directly or indirectly, your wealth is being redistributed to him"
For those who don't know, MattYG's dad passed away after a fairly lengthy career as a writer, and, more importantly, decades as a BigPharma Executive...
It's called "inheritance" or LSC.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 22, 2013 09:40 AM (lbiWb)

207 Sent a tip, hope it helps with that box, Ace!

Keep on keepin' on, and thanks for the blog.

And as has been so eloquently said;

Barack Obama is a SCOAMF

Posted by: acethepug at March 22, 2013 09:40 AM (L49Y2)

208 Unless you argue that the cumbersome nature of backtracking and quoting here adds charm.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:40 AM (FsUAO)

209 Something you can click on to following something back to the source.

In the pre-broken days, you could copy-paste the comment number you were quoting and the link to that comment would be included.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 22, 2013 09:40 AM (/yS3m)

210 This guy is the male version of Lena Dunham.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 22, 2013 09:40 AM (/b8+5)

211 About the closing of public schools: whatever happens do not think it would ever save any money. That is just laughable.


(And Bill Gates is neck deep in all the crap that goes on in education today. )

Posted by: Dandolo at March 22, 2013 09:42 AM (+PG07)

212 "...if Ace ever ran a fundraiser for the express purpose of upgrading to a blogging platform that was easier to use for bloggers and commenters..."

I say again, be careful what you ask for. First thing that happens, all old comments disappear...

Posted by: Disqus amongst yourselves at March 22, 2013 09:43 AM (QzWNc)

213
How about pressing the space bar and getting a fucking space? Or hitting the Enter key and getting a new paragraph?

This excuse about trolls being able to fuck up the comments by allowing HTML is bullshit. NO other blog on the fucking planet has these vulnerabilities. You couldn't design a customer experience to suck this hard. Unless you were Pixy Misa.


Talk about a whiny young-un.

Things were tougher in the old days. The world didn't turn color until the 1930's and it was pretty grainy for a while, too. That's when blogging was really tough.

Posted by: Calvin's Dad at March 22, 2013 09:45 AM (tOkJB)

214 First thing that happens, all old comments disappear...

Posted by: Disqus amongst yourselves at March 22, 2013 09:43 AM (QzWNc)

Nope. They'll come over to the new site. It will just take a bit more work for the developer.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 22, 2013 09:45 AM (3Mkrp)

215 Posted by: Dandolo at March 22, 2013 09:42 AM (+PG07)

In pure accounting sense it would. If I were dictator. I'm speaking magically right now.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:45 AM (FsUAO)

216 Actually, if Ace wants to make some serious green-

all he has to do is create a progtard version of AOSHQ.

Call it "Jack of Clubs"

- cuz progtards do love them some implied violence.

As funny a guy as he is, (and it would definitely suck to have his mind turned against conservatives, even if pretend for the green), he would be one rich mofo within a year or two.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 22, 2013 09:46 AM (G9qZk)

217
Matt Yglesias...didn't he commit vehicular manslaughter some years back?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at March 22, 2013 09:46 AM (1hM1d)

218 If Ace actually lives of of this thing, he needs to step it up a notch.

Althouse highlights a portion of purchases made the previous day through her website's Amazon account. Small shit, normally amounting to a buck or two to her. With dozens of sales per day, it adds up.

$50 in commissions per day is $1500 per month to the blog owner. That's enough to upgrade to a better brand of cat food, but it's one additional income stream.

I know you buy stuff through Ace's Amazon account now, but people like to see their shit highlighted. It's the "hey, that was me!" aspect of human interaction.

Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 09:46 AM (u2a4R)

219 206
"Directly or indirectly, your wealth is being redistributed to him"
For those who don't know, MattYG's dad passed away after a fairly lengthy career as a writer, and, more importantly, decades as a BigPharma Executive...
It's called "inheritance" or LSC.
Posted by: Jess1 at March 22, 2013 09:40 AM (lbiWb)


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Every place that Yglesias publishes is aligned with the Democratic Party and benefits financially from that alignment.


If Matty is independently wealthy from an inheritance, yet still advocates seizing property and liberty from the rest of us due to the comfortable ignorance and naivete that wealth has purchased for him, it makes him more despicable, not less.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at March 22, 2013 09:49 AM (LJ2uj)

220 ::::But these things are obvious, and would be done with *any* blog software circa 2000. I was wondering if you meant anything more.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:36 AM (FsUAO):::::

Here's the thing. WE USED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT HERE.

But with Pixy's. fucking Entropyware 0.7 alpha, the functionality DECREASES over time.

So when you say, "Well, if the things we already have actually worked, that would be fine," you need to understand - that's never going to happen. We've been going on two years and Pixy hasn't fixed it. The "new" AoSHQ site that Pixy's been "developing" for what? Three years? Never going to launch.

That means migrating to a professional platform. I understand Pixy's been giving him a break, but Pixy isn't a customer. He's a vendor. Would you keep a vendor on who refused for years to fix his product?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 22, 2013 09:50 AM (gNVKv)

221
Maybe Pixy just needs some help. I hear there's this guy with mad HTML skillz that can help him, except that he's usually too busy bicycling.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 22, 2013 09:50 AM (tOkJB)

222 Oh she did. Hah.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 22, 2013 09:50 AM (FsUAO)

223
"When the walls come down and everything unravels, the bright side is that we get to hunt these scum down for tar and feathers. I call dibs on Matty."

Bright side? More like a re-edible peanut in a big pile of shit. Retribution is cold comfort when you realize it should have been done as a preventative measure long, long ago.

Posted by: Jaws at March 22, 2013 09:52 AM (4I3Uo)

224 Whatever the new website, let's make sure it's something that we pay for.

No freebees, no relatives or friends, no "we'll get to it as soon as we can because we have a paying job doing other shit" developers.

We've got a fairly large and well-heeled comments group and it can't be that expensive to do it right.

Posted by: jwest at March 22, 2013 09:52 AM (u2a4R)

225 "...first property was defined with... "Touch my stuff and I'll kill you." ...t,the state came in was when a bunch of guy figure out they could take down Mr. Property Owner by ganging up on him... So it should be remembered that the state has its origin in group thuggery."

Pardon the ellipses if they seems to distort.

I think you missed a step. Govt is collective force, true. Govt starts (philosophically, not evolutionarily) when one family and another agree to respect and defend each other's rights and property. That works unless the mechanisms of self-govt are hijacked by tyrants.

Posted by: Disqus amongst yourselves at March 22, 2013 09:53 AM (zAcMD)

226 #215

Yeah, we can dream.

But, eventually reality of the rules catches up. (ask Europe)

Posted by: Dandolo at March 22, 2013 09:56 AM (+PG07)

227 You can clearly see how intelligent Yglesias is by the way he tilts his head and strokes his chin.

Posted by: gp at March 22, 2013 10:00 AM (+Jpqc)

228 129 Matt was always picked last in gym class. Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 22, 2013 09:11 AM (yCWX6) And yet so was I, but I managed to grow up into an intelligent conservative, whereas Matty grew up into an anti-intellectual dickbag communist.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 22, 2013 09:18 AM (4df7R)
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But Matt never got over it.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 22, 2013 10:03 AM (nWMhf)

229 227 You can clearly see how intelligent Yglesias is by the way he tilts his head and strokes his chin.
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I think you meant: 'strokes hi c**k'.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 22, 2013 10:04 AM (nWMhf)

230 " Nope. They'll come over to the new site. It will just take a bit more work for the developer." -CharlieBrown'sDildo

I know that's what they always say in theory. Funny about practice.

Posted by: Inevitable Gremlins at March 22, 2013 10:11 AM (2J4Qq)

231 "The concept of "redistribution" falsely implies that the existence of property is prior to the existence of the state."

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But is man a blunder of the state, or is the state a blunder of man???

Posted by: gastorgrab at March 22, 2013 10:13 AM (FX38i)

232 Sure wish there was a tip route other than the loathsome PayPal. That outfit is concentrated evil.

Mailing cash or a money order to a cob logger's P.O. box or something.

Buying $2000 on Amazon to put a tiny percentage into the ewok's paws seems an inefficient scheme.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at March 22, 2013 10:14 AM (a5ljo)

233 Ygelsias is a fool of no great merit. Property clearly exists in a state of nature, as does commerce. The ability to keep it is the question, not the existence of such.

There is a difference between possessing something, and having a legal title to something. The second requires a government, the first does not. The second is not permission to own--but a guarantee by the government that it will back up your property rights--your possession of something--with force if necessary.

But--and this is the important point that our uber-genius, with that expensive Ivy League advanced education in Snarkology he has, forgets--I am also able to use force in a state of nature to secure my possession of something. I can just apply force more efficiently with a government behind me. Thus, governments do not exist to give me access to something called "property" which I could not do without government, and certainly they do not exist to give me permission to have property, but they exist to better secure my possession of property, by providing me recourse to greater force than I could most likely muster by myself.

Thus, governments come about because it is a better deal than being by myself. And--here is an important point--if I could muster greater force to protect my property than the government, then, historically, I become the government.

And of course, I could then take your property.

Property thus exists prior to the existence of the state, because I could be the first government in an area (say, after the monolith taught me how to use the jawbone of an ass), and take away the water hole you had--but it existed as yours before I established dominion and started saying things I called "laws".

What the state determines is who gets to keep property, via dint of greater force. Not whether or not something called property exists. Since force exists in a state of nature, so will property.


Posted by: C. at March 22, 2013 10:14 AM (2lMCK)

234
"it makes him more despicable, not less."
And more in common w/any number of LSC leftists/useful idiots.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 22, 2013 10:17 AM (lbiWb)

235 While Yglesias's statement is a broken syllogism - just because A it doesn't follow B - y'all are pretty much universally incorrect on the whole "property not preceding state" concept. At least, outside of Lockean theory. In actual colonial practice, real property was seized, deeded, or purchased by the various proprietors, and then sold or gifted to settlers, speculators, or landlords. Pennsylvania, for instance, the Penns (who had sovereignty per their charter, granted by royal favor) or their local representatives purchased or cheated land from the prior owners - yes, children, tribes and tribal confederations *did* count as sovereign states, *ESPECIALLY* the Iroquois - had the land surveyed, and sold off plots in exchange for money up front and "quitrents" on the outyears. The Penns' ownership rights (which were established by the monarchial state, and the colonial state duly delegated by royal charter) were seized by the insurgent patriot revolutionary government, and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania received the local power to deed property rights as a result of the 1783 Treaty of Paris. The commonwealth continued to add to the supply of land in the years immediately after the peace, buying the lands eventually making up the northwest counties of Pennsylvania.

But where I'm going with this is that land title in Pennsylvania is a historical artifact, and was established and mediated by the sovereignty of a state at every point in the process. There is no real estate property derived from natural law in the world as experienced. Where natural law theory and common law practice come into effect is what happens after the new-minted land property is transferred from the state to the individual, and that's where Yglesias shits the bed. Just because the power of the state created the fact of the estate, it does not follow that the authority of the state can unmake the estate at whim. For one thing, real estate is the beginning of property, not the end of it. For another, there are many striking and practical reasons why property, once created by the state, cannot be simply extinguished by the state. Ask the Indian states, whose lack of solid private property law put them at a fatal disadvantage versus the European settler states.

Posted by: Mitch H. at March 22, 2013 10:45 AM (jwKxK)

236 So retarded. A nation state under anything like a modern conception didn't exist until France under the Bourbons. Is he seriously saying private property didn't exist before then?? What a douche.

Posted by: arminius at March 22, 2013 10:50 AM (cDnhR)

237 The Manson family should visit his house, with hopfully similar results. I'm tired of these people.

Posted by: Trump at March 22, 2013 10:53 AM (F8Lnm)

238 As a toilet hobo, I thank Matty in advance for letting me use his shower. How are the acoustics in there?

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 22, 2013 11:12 AM (QTHTd)

239 Not sure which is scarier - the this idiocy from Matty got over 180 re-tweets or that it's a "Favorite" of 53 commie-socialist morons.

LIB.

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2013 11:12 AM (A5uiv)

240 #236, let's look at the pre-Bourbon Kingdom of France. Property in the days of the Wars of Religion was derived from feudal claims, city charters, and the property of the church, variously chartered, gifted from feudal property, and so forth. There was considerable non-real-estate property, but all such was largely out-weighed in the general economy by real estate and the immediate derivations of real estate for most of the world at the time outside of certain parts of the Low Countries. Even England was primarily an agrarian economy until the last decade of the 17th century.

So: property as established by feudal claim and medieval city charters. Both have their origin in monarchical authority, and although that authority was at a very low ebb in the 1580s, it still was the head and source of all property of note in France. The state had well-neigh liquidated at this time, and it still was the sole source of property right - as opposed to open banditry, which also was a quite real element in possession in such conditions - available. Q.E.D., the state is the sole differentiation between mere possession and ownership, between a burgher and a bandit.

Posted by: Mitch H. at March 22, 2013 11:13 AM (jwKxK)

241 @240 - are you assuming that Matty understands, at any level, the distinctions you're trying to make? Or are you assuming - as am I - that he understands "property rights" pretty much boils down to "The State uber alles" and that the whole "endowed by our creator" stuff is just silly 18th century nonsense that doesn't apply in our enlightened, modern times?

Posted by: DocJ at March 22, 2013 11:19 AM (A5uiv)

242 No freebees, no relatives or friends, no "we'll get to it as soon as we
can because we have a paying job doing other shit" developers.
We've got a fairly large and well-heeled comments group and it can't be that expensive to do it right.


Hey, we know some guys who know some guys. Send the cash to us!

Posted by: Mitt's campaign staff at March 22, 2013 11:21 AM (QTHTd)

243 I'm sure he managed to scavenge a frisbee as bowl/plate somewhere along the way.

Posted by: wte9 at March 22, 2013 11:28 AM (ZL7LA)

244 @241 - can't be sure, I've only read one or two things by Yglesias, although those I have read suggest that he's not a total Venezuela-style bandit, but rather an indifferently-educated TNR-style neolib. Whether or not he's actually read enough to parse the origins of property, or is just parroting Cass Sunstein, I don't know.

Posted by: Mitch H. at March 22, 2013 11:37 AM (jwKxK)

245 If this guy bought a 1.2 mil condo then blogging is way more lucrative than previously thought.

All the journolists on both sides complaining but then writing books and having shows.

Selling sites for enormous sums.

Contrasted with some poor bloggers just getting by.

So what are the jornolists on both sides doing that the poor little bloggers aren't doing?

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 22, 2013 11:56 AM (/b8+5)

246 Very few dogs know about govt but they're all pretty clear on property.

Posted by: Andy Freeman at March 22, 2013 12:21 PM (D3hdq)

247 I got paid today so I hit the tip jar again

I hope ace uses the money on drones to catch Matty fapping

Posted by: kbdabear at March 22, 2013 12:22 PM (mCvL4)

248 shit you know Ace is just going to use that cardboard box as a hobo blind.

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at March 22, 2013 12:24 PM (HEa5q)

249 Mat's Twitter cover: "Have blog, will travel. Cover economics for Slate."
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Covering economics for Slate?That's like covering college basketball for Food Network.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 22, 2013 12:28 PM (n8LUb)

250 Give us a PO Box. My Arab friends want to send money and they DON'T do pay pal.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at March 22, 2013 12:30 PM (wR+pz)

251 There is a theory to explain why there's been so many shit holes in Africa for so long. I can't remember who wrote about it.

The rule of law is almost non existent in those countries (and in communist countries). Rather it's might makes right.

Without some type of stable State, property can not be protected.

When a president can tell a CEO he's fired and ignore bankruptcy laws, we're losing out on that whole rule of law thing.


Posted by: mellow at March 22, 2013 12:45 PM (BNT0Y)

252 America hired a government so we wouldn't individually HAVE to kill the villains trying to take our lives, privacy, freedom and property.

There's a loophole in our contract in case the state becomes the villains trying to take our lives, privacy, freedom and property.

I had to study this stuff and pass a test to get in.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at March 22, 2013 01:38 PM (a5ljo)

253 Remember the good ol' days when we graciously reviewed his book? Some of the intertube's best writing is preserved in the 1-star Amazon comments that the horde so genuinely gave of themselves. Priceless tributes to a shitbag.

Posted by: David Duke at March 22, 2013 02:15 PM (PFg5i)

254 Is this guy really that big of an idiot?

Posted by: Titanium at March 22, 2013 05:23 PM (b+oQE)

255 so I'm filing this under "society is too sick to save."
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at March 22, 2013 08:32 AM (hO8IJ)

Told you.

Posted by: Igor Shandor at March 22, 2013 05:24 PM (FWmTq)

256 Back in the stone ages, I had an argument with a student. He: All ideas ... all grades are subjective. Me: Okay. You think you paper is an A ... I think your paper is an 'F.' Needless to say, that didn't go over well. I vote for a party at Matt's. I call dibs on the booze.

Posted by: Frankns at March 22, 2013 05:29 PM (r4fN5)

257 Wait wait ... Better still. Matt: The State is here to protect MY property and confiscate YOURS. Ahhh, the dawning of secod-rate Liberal Consciousness in America.

Posted by: Frankns at March 22, 2013 05:30 PM (r4fN5)

258 Personally I hope the fiver I sent Ace goes toward Valu-Rite Vodka. Ace of Spades lifestyle and all.

Posted by: Rabban at March 22, 2013 07:52 PM (eYRDZ)

259 Seems obvious. Before political organization into state-like groups, "ownership" consisted of what you could take & hold. This is history, not economic theory.

Posted by: Uncle Joe at March 23, 2013 07:08 PM (QoYpU)

260 I'm not sure what exactly you guys are getting excited about. Yes, private property is a product of the state. So are most laws. You know -- those social constructs that enable so many of us to keep our private property.

What exactly is inconsistent about making this observation and owning property?

Posted by: Pamela Troy at March 24, 2013 12:51 PM (cdk0j)






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