Watch Out...Bipartisan Calls For Military Invovement In Syria

On the 10th Anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, two Senators are calling for deeper involvement in Syria.

First, Democrat Carl Levin, Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

After the hearing, Levin directly endorsed the idea of attacking Syrian air defenses and using the Patriot missile batteries in Turkey to establish a no-fly zone inside Syria in an interview with The Cable.

"I believe there should be the next ratcheting up of military effort and that would include going after some of Syria's air defenses," Levin said.

Regarding the establishment of a no-fly zone inside Syria, Levin said that would help both protect innocent civilians and speed the end of the conflict.

"You could protect that kind of a zone with these Patriot missiles, leaving the missiles in Turkey but having the zone inside the Syrian border," he said. "It is a way without putting boots on the ground and in a way that would be fairly cautious, that would put additional pressure on Assad and also create a zone where Syrian people who are looking for protection and safety could come without crossing the border and becoming refugees."

As always, Lindsey Graham was there to up the ante and call for an invasion of Syria.

"My biggest fear beyond an Iranian nuclear weapons capability is the chemical weapons in Syria falling in the hands of extremists and Americans need to lead on this issue. We need to come up with a plan to secure these weapons sites, either in conjunction with our partners [or] if nothing else by ourselves," Graham said.

Asked if he would support sending U.S. troops inside Syria for the mission, Graham said yes.

"Absolutely, you've got to get on the ground. There is no substitute for securing these weapons," he said. "I don't care what it takes. We need partners in the region. But I'm here to say, if the choice is to send in troops to secure the weapons sites versus allowing chemical weapons to get in the hands of some of the most violent people in the world, I vote to cut this off before it becomes a problem."

Now Graham may mean some special operations raids but he goes on to say, "I can confirm the fact that the chemical weapons are all over Syria...". I don't think a quick in and out by Navy SEALs is going to deal with a problem "all over" the country. Either Graham is talking about a major military commitment or he's hyping the threat.

All of this comes on a day there's another report that chemical weapons have been used by the Assad regime.

Let me make my thoughts on the idea of the US getting involved militarily as clear as possible...No. Actually let me expand my thoughts....HELL NO.

The "world community" has spent the last decade bitching about how awful America is and how terrible it was for us to push regime change. My indifference is simply a case of others reaping what they've sown.

A lot of Americans died in Iraq because the Syrians served as a conduit for al Qaeda fighters to enter Iraq. Again...reap follows sowing. I hear about casualties in Syria and simply shrug. Add in the fact the people we would be helping are jihadis and I start to actually cheer casualties.

Oh and how are we paying for this proposed little adventure? All the talk about the impact of sequester on the military just, what? Goes away?

If the Turks want to shoot down aircraft in Syria, have it. They want to rebuild the Ottoman Empire, good luck but you're on your own doing it. If the Syrians want their freedom, let them keep fighting for it.

Posted by: DrewM. at 07:11 PM



Comments

1 No war for boils

Posted by: kathysaysso at March 19, 2013 07:13 PM (6H6o8)

2 what is the point if this Grahamnyan "boots on the ground" crap if you can accomplish your goal w/o doing that

Posted by: JDP at March 19, 2013 07:14 PM (60GaT)

3 What difference doesSyria make? Gheym of Thrones!

Posted by: Parker and Stone at March 19, 2013 07:14 PM (wIgpo)

4 Wow. I agree with Drew 100%

Check please!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 19, 2013 07:14 PM (1q3zU)

5 So Barry may yet become a war monger? Thank God our son is getting out this fall.

And how many sons and daughters does Miss Lindsey have?

Gah. I'm in a mood.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2013 07:14 PM (UOM48)

6 They can't safeguard the embassy in Benghazi and now they want to reenact the Yom Kippor war? We're going back to backing one side while Russia backs the other?

I thought that these leftist assholes hated Vietnam!?!

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 19, 2013 07:14 PM (PrDJQ)

7 But, what about the Palestinians?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at March 19, 2013 07:15 PM (UrENZ)

8 Degrading the Syrian military, while at the same time allowing them to kill lots of jihadists seems to be a win-win situation.

Let them kill each other for as long as it takes to deplete every weapon and kill every fighter.

Then we should bomb them.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2013 07:15 PM (3Mkrp)

9 But....I'm a reformer...you said so..

Posted by: Boy Assad at March 19, 2013 07:16 PM (PrDJQ)

10 Then we should bomb them.

Yeah, we'll bomb them, and get the same reaction the Israelis get when they defend themselves.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 19, 2013 07:17 PM (PrDJQ)

11 Oh, what the heck do they think they're doing? These people need to stop before they get us all killed.

Posted by: ALH at March 19, 2013 07:17 PM (eqV3Q)

12 Lindsey "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil" Graham is single-handedly destroying the proposition that gay men are more peaceful than straight men.

Is there a war this limp-wristed squish doesn't want us involved in?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 19, 2013 07:17 PM (ZPrif)

13 I would like to send Miss Lindsay over there for a "fact-finding" mission, complete with accidental capture.

Posted by: Al at March 19, 2013 07:17 PM (V70Uh)

14 Check out CNN scrunts asking today in Boooosh should be tried for war crimes:

http://tinyurl.com/cntvxjl


They even "go there" on Vietnam.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2013 07:18 PM (UOM48)

15

rubble doesn't make trouble.

Posted by: imp at March 19, 2013 07:18 PM (oGrkY)

16 I don't care what it takes.

No, you wouldn't. Did McCain put you up to this or is this just a freelance bout of chest-beating to sound tough for your reelection campaign?

Posted by: pep at March 19, 2013 07:18 PM (6TB1Z)

17 It's funny how 'the Administration' is arguing so vehemently that Syria doesn't have chemical weapons. Especially any with 'Made in Iraq' stenciled on the side.

Posted by: illegally posting anonymously on the internet at March 19, 2013 07:18 PM (feFL6)

18 Chemical weapons all over Syria? I wonder where they all came from?

Posted by: forest at March 19, 2013 07:18 PM (stMuz)

19 I don't think that you're quite grasping the reason that we gave you the award

Posted by: Nobel Peace prize committee at March 19, 2013 07:18 PM (PrDJQ)

20 A draft would fix this. If all of American had at least hypothetical skin in the game, the fierce ungency to intervene in places we can't locate on a map would greatly lessen.

Posted by: ZBBMcFate at March 19, 2013 07:19 PM (Hj9yW)

21

hey, new hash! Guess I could be "ogre"

but I'm not that large.

Or smelly.

Posted by: imp at March 19, 2013 07:19 PM (oGrkY)

22 Let them kill each other for as long as it takes to deplete every weapon and kill every fighter.

Then we should bomb them.


Why wait? We can bomb them beforehand, and then again afterward.

Posted by: pep at March 19, 2013 07:19 PM (6TB1Z)

23 18
Chemical weapons all over Syria? I wonder where they all came from?


Posted by: forest at March 19, 2013 07:18 PM (stMuz



*ponders* Couldn't have been Iraq, right?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2013 07:19 PM (UOM48)

24 18
Chemical weapons all over Syria? I wonder where they all came from?
.... is a question you'll never hear from the media.

Posted by: pep at March 19, 2013 07:20 PM (6TB1Z)

25 Arm both sides and GTFO of the way.

Posted by: zsasz at March 19, 2013 07:20 PM (MMC8r)

26 I don't think that you're quite grasping the reason that we gave you the award
Posted by: Nobel Peace prize committee at March 19, 2013 07:18 PM (PrDJQ)
----
Obamapho's?

Posted by: SCoaMF at March 19, 2013 07:20 PM (A7Wh1)

27 Syrian civil war is 2 years old. Mounting casualties on both sides.

So ... sounds like things are going about as well as can be expected. Why fuck things up?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 19, 2013 07:20 PM (ZPrif)

28
Bah, it's the Spanish Civil War all over again. Nobody to root for,with a lot more sand.

Posted by: Lee (in KY) at March 19, 2013 07:20 PM (jgXna)

29 Stay out, let them bleed themselves.

I'm tired of making the world safe for hypocrisy.

Posted by: Pope Cavil I, Cylon Catholic Church at March 19, 2013 07:20 PM (mbxHg)

30 I am a big fan of David P. Goldman's idea that we (the West) should stay out of Syria and left the Sunnis Arabs make war with the Persians/Russians.

Miss Lindsey will not survive a primary challenge.


Posted by: Al at March 19, 2013 07:20 PM (V70Uh)

31 Sigh. Greatest nation on earth ruled by a gang of sub-moronic m-f'ers. Sickening. Is there no end to their stupidity?

Posted by: Reactionary at March 19, 2013 07:20 PM (yKXy8)

32

I don't care what it takes.

Careful Lindsay, the military is taking open twinks in the infantry now. You won't necessarily get that JAG assignment.

Posted by: imp at March 19, 2013 07:21 PM (oGrkY)

33 20
A draft would fix this. If all of American had at least hypothetical
skin in the game, the fierce ungency to intervene in places we can't
locate on a map would greatly lessen.

Posted by: ZBBMcFate at March 19, 2013 07:19 PM (Hj9yW



Let's not forget the wymmins. When Malia turns 18 I want to see a story about her registering.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2013 07:21 PM (UOM48)

34
If we didn't take out Sadaam an A Bomb would have gone off in the Mid East by now.

Posted by: tony redenzo at March 19, 2013 07:21 PM (1MsBy)

35

20
A draft would fix this.

No no but HELL NO.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 19, 2013 07:21 PM (p7J3E)

36 muslims killing muslims - isn't that the optimal solution?

As long as they're so busy blowing up their own playpen, they're not going to have the resources or inclination to cause much trouble anywhere else. So why try to stop it?

Their are always going to be jihadis who want to kill themselves for a cause. Let this be the place they do it for years to come.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 19, 2013 07:22 PM (hTDbY)

37 All it takes is a few buttons pushed from a Minuteman capsule, right?

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 19, 2013 07:22 PM (+bZOu)

38 No one does cranky like DrewM. No one.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 19, 2013 07:22 PM (AWl8t)

39 Negative attention is better than no attention. Maybe that's the reason for the chest thumping by the chicken hawks.

Posted by: ALH at March 19, 2013 07:23 PM (eqV3Q)

40 Let Levin and Graham invade Syria with a fact finding mission. Problem solved.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 19, 2013 07:23 PM (RTZ9e)

41 On Special Report they were talking about Ofucknshithead's credibility being "on the line" here. LOL, he never had any. He is going to dither. That and play golf. But mostly play golf. But dither when he is not playing golf.

Posted by: Al at March 19, 2013 07:23 PM (V70Uh)

42 Rocketscience + nukes , orbit.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at March 19, 2013 07:24 PM (AWmfW)

43 Waiting for the screetching from all the lefty anti-war groups in 3...2...1...zzzz.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 19, 2013 07:24 PM (+z4pE)

44
If anyone can answer why involvement in a civil war being fought by our enemies is a good idea, I'll listen.

Otherwise, fuck off.

Posted by: MJ at March 19, 2013 07:24 PM (vl5mg)

45 Truth is we are already arming and training the rebels. It's just being done thru Turkey. Plausible deniability.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 19, 2013 07:24 PM (ZPrif)

46 I've read somewhere that some of our intelligence guys have their list of guys who helped Al Qaeda in Iraq, and that if the rebels win and the smoke clears.... BOOM.... predator strike. If true, that makes me happy.

Posted by: Lee (in KY) at March 19, 2013 07:24 PM (jgXna)

47 Wait, if sequestration has decimated the military, we can't do any of this, right.

I mean we can't afford white house tours, and they may have to take the Easter egg hunt away from little kids because of those mean old repubs, so this shit should be off the table.

And who gives a rat's butt what happens in syria. Those people are all nuts anyway. Most of the kids who would go to the Easter egg hunt aren't nuts who will end up trying to blow us up. Unless the Syrians are going to bow up Americans, f**k 'em. Spend the money on Easter eggs. IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 19, 2013 07:24 PM (9H+iJ)

48 Rah, Rah, Sis-boom-bah!

Bomb Islam-i for your Mommy!

Posted by: Code Pink at March 19, 2013 07:24 PM (MMC8r)

49 But dither when he is not playing golf.

Posted by: Al at March 19, 2013 07:23 PM (V70Uh)

He hasn't dithered me in months!

Posted by: Kal Penn at March 19, 2013 07:24 PM (3Mkrp)

50 I've got no problem with doing nothing. History can be a harsh mistress.

Posted by: Bosk at March 19, 2013 07:25 PM (n2K+4)

51 45, well I certainly hope so. I never wanted Assad to wipe out his opposition. It would be "game over too soon."


Posted by: Al at March 19, 2013 07:26 PM (V70Uh)

52 How about we bring back the mutual assured destruction doctrine, and give them all booby trapped nukes.

Posted by: Whatev at March 19, 2013 07:26 PM (A7Wh1)

53
Announce a prize: Any participant in the civil war that castrates himself gets a shiny new American made sniper rife.

Solve two problems at once.

Posted by: MJ at March 19, 2013 07:27 PM (vl5mg)

54 The more of each other the muz kill, the busier allah will be trying to sort them out. I don't want another drop of America blood shed trying to assist these troglodytes that want to stay immersed in the wonders of the sixth century.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2013 07:27 PM (Cnqmv)

55 Michelle Shocked > Lindsey Graham

Posted by: Minuteman at March 19, 2013 07:27 PM (TMyKv)

56 Here we go again!

Posted by: The Gods of War (with no clearly defined objectives) at March 19, 2013 07:27 PM (vbh31)

57 Airdrop pron and booze.

Posted by: Bosk at March 19, 2013 07:27 PM (n2K+4)

58 Let's not forget the wymmins. When Malia turns 18 I want to see a story about her registering.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2013 07:21 PM



Agreed. Indeed, if we must put force onto Syria then I say we should put some all-women combat units together for the purpose and then make popcorn. Muz trash killed off by women folk will be a treat like no other. And the media will make a hero out of every single one of our gals - each one a Leonidas with tits, just you wait and see. I see zero downside.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 19, 2013 07:27 PM (yKXy8)

59 Kal Penn. Now that's a name I haven't heard in years.

Anyone think he couldn't get the SS to let the pot smoking slide?

Posted by: Al at March 19, 2013 07:27 PM (V70Uh)

60 C'mon guys. There's gotta be some war that'll restore national pride in our country. I'll find it and you'll say that McCain, he was right this time.

Posted by: John Micka-micka-cain at March 19, 2013 07:28 PM (60GaT)

61
Let's round up planeloads of prison lifers, drop them in, tell them if they can fight their way outthey get paroled. Then execute them if they do.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 19, 2013 07:28 PM (+bZOu)

62 Send EPA.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at March 19, 2013 07:28 PM (AWmfW)

63 Hey Morons, I gotta say, this is a vexing issue for me. As someone getting commissioned next year, I want to see action. But I feel like there's an inconsistency with us. Democrats propose a draft; we argue that it's a cynical attempt at making war unlikely. Democrats (not just the loony Code Pink cunts) criticize parts of the war effort in Iraq; we argued that we needed to be there come hell or high water.
And now some of us want a draft and seem much more reserved about force. Can someone please (no sarcasm) explain this as obvious as the answer may be? Your wisdom is probably a fuck load better than my reflexively left wing professors.

Posted by: Danny at March 19, 2013 07:28 PM (9Wy7P)

64 Nuke Mecca and blame it on North Korea? Just thinking aloud here.

Posted by: Whatev at March 19, 2013 07:28 PM (A7Wh1)

65 Don't worry. Overthrowing Mid-East dictators has never worked because it wasn't done right. We've learned from those past mistakes. This time the result will be a worker's paradise. We promise.

Posted by: A Concerned Progressive at March 19, 2013 07:29 PM (1R473)

66
I tend to agree with Mr. Ace of Spades here.

Now the world wants us to do something because it's so much more important to remove this Ba'athist regime as opposed to the last one and Turkey agrees not to hose us this time (until they hose us again).

Newsflash to the Arabs, Turks, and Persians-
The US is sitting on enough oil and gas to last us for centuries and we don't like you, at all really. Work it out amongst yourselves and leave the Jews alone or we will stomp your asses at will bitches.

Posted by: Nigel Wanklin reporting at March 19, 2013 07:29 PM (BjOkm)

67 The thing about the "dirty dozen." If they make it out, you set them free.....in France.

Posted by: Al at March 19, 2013 07:29 PM (V70Uh)

68 Mecca Lecha hiney ho kaboom!

Posted by: Pee Wee Obama at March 19, 2013 07:29 PM (bGlsD)

69 57
Airdrop pron and booze.

Posted by: Bosk at March 19, 2013 07:27 PM (n2K+4)

Whats your coordinates?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at March 19, 2013 07:29 PM (AWmfW)

70 My friends, you don't have to be afraid of bipartisan calls to become involved in the Middle East. My colleague Lindsey Graham and I, from the safety of the sweaty locker room in the Capitol Gym, assure you that he and I will be safe. Oh, the occasional welt on the butt from naked towel snapping, and sauna burns, but nothing dangerous.

Posted by: Johnny McCain at March 19, 2013 07:30 PM (feFL6)

71 How does this relate to gay marriage?
I'm confused. I though this was a smart gay marriage blog.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 19, 2013 07:30 PM (ZPrif)

72 Well, I visited Salon this afternoon. My lib sister is still calling for Boooosh!! to be tried for war crimes.

Hasn't uttered a peep about President Nobel Peace Prize killin' folks via drones.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2013 07:31 PM (UOM48)

73
"That should include the provision of arms to vetted Syrian opposition groups, targeted strikes against Assad's aircraft and SCUD missile batteries on the ground, and the establishment of safe zones inside Syria to protect civilians and opposition groups," McCain and Graham continued in their statement. "





"I am willing to do anything to prevent this war."

"It's too late. I've already paid a month's rent on the battlefield."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 19, 2013 07:31 PM (kdS6q)

74 I though this was a smart gay marriage blog.
Levin and Graham. Duh!

Posted by: andycanuck at March 19, 2013 07:31 PM (ORGYc)

75 They want to kill each other let them.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 19, 2013 07:31 PM (NzBQO)

76 "53
Announce a prize: Any participant in the civil war that castrates himself gets a shiny new American made sniper rife.
Solve two problems at once.
Posted by: MJ"

They need to give Kerry the heave ho and make you secretary of state.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 19, 2013 07:32 PM (9H+iJ)

77 Danny,

Don't get married. Warriors should stay single. I hate seeing pictures of crying children at the funerals of their Dads.

Seriously.

P.S. I know that I will get some blowback on this, but I have been thinking about this for a while. If you want to be a warrior, don't drag a family into this.


Posted by: Al at March 19, 2013 07:32 PM (V70Uh)

78 Crazy me, I woulda supported overturning the Islamist regimes in the area....like Iran. I guess I ain't got those community organizin' smarts.

Posted by: zsasz at March 19, 2013 07:32 PM (MMC8r)

79 Seriously all these politicians have been looking for ways to armor Syrian rebels while trying to keep guns out of American hands, fuck them.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 19, 2013 07:32 PM (NzBQO)

80 Which are the good guys and bad guys in Syria again? Oh right, they're all bad.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 19, 2013 07:32 PM (HDgX3)

81 The US is sitting on enough oil and gas to last us for centuries

Not on our watch. And if the GOP keeps playing the pansy, it's gonna be a long one. Well, until the fiscal collapse...

Posted by: The Democrats at March 19, 2013 07:33 PM (vbh31)

82 They are all bad guys. Let 'em kill each other.

Posted by: Al at March 19, 2013 07:34 PM (V70Uh)

83 "I woulda supported overturning the Islamist regimes in the area....like Iran"

kinda hard

Posted by: JDP at March 19, 2013 07:34 PM (60GaT)

84 Car Levin is from Michigan. A good chunk of Detroit is Arab/Muslim. Kind of surprised he'd be calling for an invasion of Syria. What's his end game?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 19, 2013 07:34 PM (HDgX3)

85 I say we give both sides just enough in the way of weapons to maul the hell out of each other, but not give either side victory.

Posted by: Barney Frank at March 19, 2013 07:34 PM (uhftQ)

86 The Egyptians have M1s and F-16s. Let those fuckers go help their muslim brothers.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 19, 2013 07:34 PM (8ZskC)

87 Off poofter sock!

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 19, 2013 07:35 PM (uhftQ)

88 Isn't Levin retiring?

He don't care about the Dearborn vote no more.

Posted by: Al at March 19, 2013 07:35 PM (V70Uh)

89 84 that he believes what he's saying?

Posted by: JDP at March 19, 2013 07:35 PM (60GaT)

90 Newsflash to the Arabs, Turks, and Persians-The US is sitting on enough oil and gas to last us for centuries and we don't like you, at all really. Work it out amongst yourselves and leave the Jews alone or we will stomp your asses at will bitches.

T.H.I.S.

Posted by: LGoPs at March 19, 2013 07:35 PM (4x8W0)

91

kinda hard

I was thinking of the student uprisings back in St. Stumblefuck's first term, when he couldn't even bring himself to make a statement of support. But we sure became the Muslim Brotherhood's air wing in Egypt lickety-split.

Posted by: zsasz at March 19, 2013 07:35 PM (MMC8r)

92 Besides, this is a paltry issue, of minor importance. Can we discuss what really matters? For instance, ghey marriage...

Posted by: The Democrats at March 19, 2013 07:36 PM (vbh31)

93 Also, another question. I'm a big Steyn fan, but now and then I wish I could debate him. I figured the next best thing would be to post online to beseech you, oh wise Morons.

"America can't impose its will on a bunch of Afghan goatherders."-Steyn

Hypothetical reply: " No, of course we can't. We can certainly bring change of sorts to the cities, building schools and whatnot. We try to do the same in the mountains (where te insurgency lies) and we invariably fail; Afghan politics are notriously fractured and complex. Our conceptions of human dignity are often at odds with each other-and this just talking about our "allies." At this point, a trillion dollars in Afghan is wasted money; our forces would be better deployed in the pacific or fighting the cartels on our borders. Fuck the goatherders; they will always see women as slaves and will manipulate whoever happens to be in power. It's why they are still around, albeit in a similar lifestyle as people who lived there thousands of years ago."

Posted by: Danny at March 19, 2013 07:36 PM (9Wy7P)

94 Now which button blows the bitch up again?

Posted by: Barky O'He-Man, Drone Commander at March 19, 2013 07:36 PM (8ZskC)

95 that he believes what he's saying?


Posted by: JDP at March 19, 2013 07:35 PM (60GaT)

____
A politician who is honest? And a Democrat one at that.
NO COMPUTE. NO COMPUTE.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 19, 2013 07:36 PM (HDgX3)

96 Screw Syria. I may sound heartless.. but I just dont give a crap about them.
Enough.
Its already way too much to put on the shoulders of our military. too many coming home with PTSD. its enough already.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at March 19, 2013 07:36 PM (DGIjM)

97 OT and propably a better comment for the Hairy Creep threat.

Daughter the younger and the Mortuary Team here at Travis have the sad duty to get the casualties in Nevada ready for transport.

Posted by: Ma Bell at March 19, 2013 07:36 PM (uVuwp)

98 lickety-splib.

Posted by: Al at March 19, 2013 07:36 PM (V70Uh)

99 The Egyptians have M1s and F-16s. Let those fuckers go help their muslim brothers.

Silence!!!

In my Army you must first request permission to speak to me! And if any of you homos touch my stuff, I'll keel you!

Posted by: Captain Muhammad "Psycho" al-Bukhati at March 19, 2013 07:37 PM (1q3zU)

100
I though this was a smart gay marriage blog.

Well, muzz on boy muzz sodomy isn't really marriage.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 19, 2013 07:37 PM (+bZOu)

101 Maybe somebody non-ghey should tell King Telewoobie McSandtrap that there is no such thing as a Nobel War Prize.

Well, until Congress creates one tomorrow.

*kiss, kiss Barry* *Dating Game smooch*

No moar. Enough. Let the sonsabitches wipe each other out. Fuck. It.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 19, 2013 07:37 PM (OWQEw)

102

The last thing we need is more partners in that region.

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 19, 2013 07:37 PM (052zE)

103 Things are already optimal in Syria. Two of our enemies are fighting each other. Why would we want to screw that up by putting an end to it before they have bled each other dry?

This is actually one area where Obama being AWOL and not providing any leadership does not hurt us. I guess there is the possibility that terrorists could get hold of some chemical weapons in Syria but frankly, if they haven't hit us that way yet I don't think Syria poses any additional danger. The stuff is just too easy to get or to make. And their immediate concern would be using them on the regime there as long as we don't do something stupid to put an early end to it.

62) Good idea about the EPA, but if they really piss us off I say we drop Obamacare on them from orbit. It is the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Voluble at March 19, 2013 07:37 PM (qYvEa)

104 What can we possibly gain by getting involved in Syria? If we actually won something strategically, the commies in the DoS would screw it up. Besides, we don't have the effing money.

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2013 07:37 PM (Cnqmv)

105 Meant to say: They are sending a team and equipment

Posted by: Ma Bell at March 19, 2013 07:37 PM (uVuwp)

106 96
Screw Syria. I may sound heartless.. but I just dont give a crap about them.

Enough.

Its already way too much to put on the shoulders of our military. too many coming home with PTSD. its enough already.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at March 19, 2013 07:36 PM (DGIjM)

_________________
Agreed

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 19, 2013 07:37 PM (HDgX3)

107 How are our senator's friends in the civilian contractor business going to sell $37 meals to our fighting men if we don't have boots on the ground somewhere?

Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 19, 2013 07:38 PM (I2LwF)

108 Your message has been rejected because long strings of unbroken text are very
annoying. Use the space bar or tinyurl.com as appropriate.

Posted by: Minuteman at March 19, 2013 07:38 PM (TMyKv)

109 Anyone taking bets on what Rand's take will be re Graham's proposal?

Posted by: Harry Reid at March 19, 2013 07:38 PM (piMMO)

110 96, Agreed. Last time I checked, Assad and his father were our enemies. A people are judged by their leader.

Oh shit. we are fucked.

Posted by: Al at March 19, 2013 07:38 PM (V70Uh)

111 97
OT and propably a better comment for the Hairy Creep threat.



Daughter the younger and the Mortuary Team here at Travis have the sad duty to get the casualties in Nevada ready for transport.

Posted by: Ma Bell at March 19, 2013 07:36 PM (uVuwp


That breaks my heart. God, I'm so brokenhearted for the families. Damn.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2013 07:38 PM (UOM48)

112 95 nah Levin and Graham both believe what they're saying. not that it makes it right or anything

but, if the loose chem. weapons thing is a big issue, don't really have a problem with "doing something" so long as that something is done in an indirect way, no "peacekeeping" trek crap.

Posted by: JDP at March 19, 2013 07:38 PM (60GaT)

113 off dirty sock

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 19, 2013 07:38 PM (piMMO)

114 WWII: 4 years
Afghanistan: 12 years

Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 19, 2013 07:39 PM (I2LwF)

115 Not no, but hell no. My son's already seen enough.

Posted by: Dead Lenny at March 19, 2013 07:39 PM (GrtrJ)

116 107
How are our senator's friends in the civilian contractor business going
to sell $37 meals to our fighting men if we don't have boots on the
ground somewhere?

Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 19, 2013 07:38 PM (I2LwF)

________
Open up a base in Manhattan. $37 a meal is about average.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 19, 2013 07:39 PM (HDgX3)

117 Posted by: Ma Bell at March 19, 2013 07:36 PM (uVuwp)


God bless them in this task!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2013 07:40 PM (Cnqmv)

118 What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Craig Poe at March 19, 2013 07:40 PM (BVkEs)

119 It's win-win.

Posted by: Lucifer at March 19, 2013 07:41 PM (V70Uh)

120 77-Al, thanks for the concern and advice. It's definitely something for me to think about, even though for all my social liberalism I've always wanted to marry early. We'll see sir

Posted by: Danny at March 19, 2013 07:41 PM (9Wy7P)

121 but, if the loose chem. weapons thing is a big issue, don't really have a problem with "doing something" so long as that something is done in an indirect way, no "peacekeeping" trek crap.
Posted by: JDP at March 19, 2013 07:38 PM (60GaT)


We should have some special forces operators and drones around to make sure the right people and things get blown up in the chaos but other than that let the Syrians fight it out.

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 19, 2013 07:42 PM (pAlYe)

122 Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 19, 2013 07:39 PM (I2LwF)


Back then, we understood the concept called winning!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2013 07:42 PM (Cnqmv)

123 I say let the festering shit hole fester. It wasn't that long ago Hitlary was sniffing Assad's backside and praising him.

Posted by: Ronster at March 19, 2013 07:42 PM (pDjY6)

124 I am tired of sending our best and brightest into the midst of muzzies. Carpetbomb the entire Middle East save for Israel.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at March 19, 2013 07:42 PM (53riN)

125 63 Hey Morons, I gotta say, this is a vexing issue for me. As someone getting commissioned next year, I want to see action. But I feel like there's an inconsistency with us. Democrats propose a draft; we argue that it's a cynical attempt at making war unlikely. Democrats (not just the loony Code Pink cunts) criticize parts of the war effort in Iraq; we argued that we needed to be there come hell or high water.
And now some of us want a draft and seem much more reserved about force. Can someone please (no sarcasm) explain this as obvious as the answer may be? Your wisdom is probably a fuck load better than my reflexively left wing professors.

Posted by: Danny at March 19, 2013 07:28 PM (9Wy7P)

------------

It's not inconsistent to be strong on Defense...but be against 'mission creep'.

'Use of Force' is different than the mission creep of nation-building and "establishing a democracy", long after the initial mission has been accomplished.

I'm all for bringing back the Draft...mainly because it would make more peoplesympathetic to our military, and less inclined to getting us entangled in long protracted 'wars'.

And I think we should include women in the Draft, if we reinstate it.

Posted by: wheatie at March 19, 2013 07:43 PM (rwujx)

126 Let the Dems and Elite Repubs drag their sons and daughters and force them to join the military.

I want to watch the reality show, especially if Meggy Mac is involved.

Meggy Mac at female Marine boot camp Parris Island. I'd actually pay to watch that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2013 07:43 PM (UOM48)

127
"I don't care what it takes."
--Lindsey Graham

I'm sure you don't, you piece of shit. You and your boyfriend Bill Kristol should be air-dropped into Syria.

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 19, 2013 07:44 PM (hA+ft)

128 Put a whole bunch of old pizza boxes in the recycling bin today for trash day and it all blew away including the bin. The one time I recycle! I'm going with god hates recycling.

Posted by: Whatev at March 19, 2013 07:45 PM (A7Wh1)

129 Was it Kissinger who said about the Iran-Iraq War, 'can't both sides lose?'

That would be great in Syria. The last bullet kills the last combatant.

Posted by: Award-winning commenter Jones in CO at March 19, 2013 07:45 PM (8sCoq)

130 Personally, I'm quite content to sit on the sidelines and watch the islamist-on-islamist action. I wouldn't mind some effort to get local Christians out of there, though.

Posted by: Marmo at March 19, 2013 07:45 PM (pcgW1)

131 Finally an issue where so-cons and heathen libertarians agree. No more fucking wars in the middle east. Who knew Lindsey Graham could be such a unifying force for good?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 19, 2013 07:46 PM (HDgX3)

132
This fucking Obama guy, would he pay attention if the problem was framed as a golf problem? Hmmmmmmm.
Another sand trap for the regime. Needs to make a good bunker shot too.

We might well ask, as will our Commander-in-chief, 'What club would Tiger Woods use?'

Posted by: The Charlie Daniels of the torque wrench at March 19, 2013 07:46 PM (/uK3M)

133 Is there some secret software one has to download to make the comments work? I don't even care if I have italics, ampersands or asterisks.

Posted by: Minuteman at March 19, 2013 07:46 PM (TMyKv)

134 Nice strategy. If "doing whatever it takes" means placing a target on your backside, I guess Lindsey has "been there done that." Chemical weapons are evil, let's step in to become the target.

Posted by: Fritz at March 19, 2013 07:46 PM (WM+rJ)

135 Meggy Mac at female Marine boot camp Parris Island. I'd actually pay to watch that.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2013 07:43 PM (UOM4

________
If she lost 35 lbs she'd be the HAWT. That wold be a fantastic idea.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 19, 2013 07:47 PM (HDgX3)

136 So the EU tries to steal a bunch of Russian money while we go to war with their ally.

What could go wrong?

Posted by: Methos at March 19, 2013 07:47 PM (hO9ad)

137 I'm all for getting involved in Syria against Assad when you can assure me the opposition are all George Washington's and Tommie Jefferson's . But as of now I see the opposition as a bunch of murdering thieving islamic maggots and personally I'm kinda rooting tooting for Assad as the evil we know.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 19, 2013 07:47 PM (jE38p)

138 I will go over there with one million yoga mats and straighten this whole mess out.

Posted by: Ambassador Puffley Judd at March 19, 2013 07:47 PM (vbh31)

139 On second thought, hell yes. Let's wade right in. And while we're at it, let's use all them eager beaver feminists that want to join the infantry and fix bayonets and shit. Fuck, I say we start with Sandra Fluke. Put her on fucking point.

Posted by: LGoPs at March 19, 2013 07:47 PM (4x8W0)

140 This can all be financed with a 10% tax on bank accounts.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 19, 2013 07:48 PM (HDgX3)

141 Hey Morons, I gotta say, this is a vexing issue for me. As someone getting commissioned next year, I want to see action.

Don't be in a hurry. You'll get your chance.

People who are in a hurry get other people killed.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 19, 2013 07:48 PM (1q3zU)

142 In the end, Obama got his wet dream in Egypt: The Muslim Brotherhood

No way he takes on Assad. Could he be so fortunate twice?

(Just one ignoramus' opinion)

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 19, 2013 07:48 PM (piMMO)

143 In other off topic news - today on my FB feed is a Lifehacker post wanting to know peoples best ideas for financial (hacking?) for financial success. My comment "don't vote democrat" was summarily deleted.

Posted by: Whatev at March 19, 2013 07:49 PM (A7Wh1)

144 We can't have White House Tours because sEquEstEr. We let incarcerated illegals go because sEquEstEr. We blame remote desert explosions on sEquEstEr.

But, we can play Sands of Iwo Jima in Syria because, SHUT UP!

What. The. Fuck.

Tell you what, Maverick. We'll grab an old A-4E out of Davis Mothan outfit it with 500 lbrs. Your girlfriend Lyndsay can grab some fucking legal pads and we'll drop you both off in a vintage Higgins boat for nostalgia's sake and you fuckers can have at it.

Oh, Carl Levin (?!?!?) can peer concerned over his bifocals. That should do it.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 19, 2013 07:49 PM (OWQEw)

145 Lindsey and Carl can go...with all their friends.

Posted by: BignJames at March 19, 2013 07:50 PM (HtUkt)

146 I, for one, am glad to see that as the world becomes more and more dangerous, we have as our leader, a man whose sole experience in life is being a FUCKING COMMUNITY ORGANIZER!!!!!!

Slash. Slash. Fucking slash.

You have no idea how much I hate my fellow *spit* citizens.

Posted by: LGoPs at March 19, 2013 07:51 PM (4x8W0)

147
I'm all for this war if they can answer these questions:
1. Who's side we on?
2. Do we have money to pay for it?
3. What dowe get out of it?
4. Are we in to win, as in victory, or we just going to go there to putz around as a politician's playtoy like in Afghanistan and Vietnam?
5. What is the definition of victory?
6. If we break it do we have to buy it?
7. Has Preznit Foshizzle McNineiron already established our forces withdrawal date?

Posted by: Minuteman at March 19, 2013 07:51 PM (TMyKv)

148 Let them kill each other for as long as it takes to deplete every weapon and kill every fighter.

Then we should bomb them.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 19, 2013 07:15 PM (3Mkrp)

THIS

Posted by: Eaton Cox at March 19, 2013 07:51 PM (q177U)

149 I'm kind of all "wared out", at this point.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at March 19, 2013 07:52 PM (q177U)

150 My own reason for sitting out the last election was precisely Syria: specifically, Romney's whining in the later debates that Obama wasn't doing enough about same. I took this as an election promise, "vote for me and we get to open up West Iraq!!".

If the US invades West Iraq anyway, then - well, then it's proven that elections don't matter. Soap box, ballot box, jury box... box four.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 19, 2013 07:53 PM (QTHTd)

151 We can air drop Meggie Mac. The Syrians will be too flattened to continue fighting.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 19, 2013 07:54 PM (OevbG)

152 They should send Hillary as a "special" envoy, since she is obviously bosom buddies with Asshat, calling him a reformer and such

Posted by: Ma Bell at March 19, 2013 07:54 PM (uVuwp)

153 @ 141

Butterbars. Ya gotta love 'em. 2nd year they get much better.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 19, 2013 07:54 PM (SAMxH)

154 LIB?

F 'em, Let THEM burn.

They believe in that goat f**king pedophile. Let them kill each other for, Oh I dunno, twenty years or so.

Put up a blockade around the whole freaking area and we'll check back when it quiets down.

Egypt was a shock, then Libya pissed me off, now I don't give a shit. let them gas and kill each other till there's nobody moving anymore.

hell send them a couple tac nukes to play with. They'll blow themselves up first.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 19, 2013 07:55 PM (Kpn/z)

155 The Israelis are worried that they're next after Assadfalls.

Posted by: ALH at March 19, 2013 07:55 PM (eqV3Q)

156 Israel Warns: If Jihadist Rebels Topple Assad In Syria “It’s Us Afterwards”…



And when they do, they will be armed with advanced weaponry including ballistic missiles and WMDs.

Haifa, Israel – If jihadi groups fighting to topple Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad succeed, “t’s us afterwards,” warned Israeli Defense Force (IDF) Chief of Staff Lt. General Benny Gantz during a conference last week. “We could be the next challenge for the same organizations.”

The Golan Heights, the border between Syria and Israel, has become increasingly unstable as the Assad regime loses its grip on power and radical Islamist and al-Qaida-inspired elements of the Free Syrian Army – reportedly backed directly or indirectly by the likes of Qatar and Saudi Arabia – move into the void.

The situation in Syria is “liquid, unstable and dangerous,” Gantz said in remarks at the 13th Herzilya Conference on Israeli security. If Assad falls, Syria’s massive arsenal of weapons could fall into the wrong hands. Those jihadi groups would feel tempted to target Israel. As if to reinforce Gantz’s point, Reuters reported last Thursday that 1,000 insurgents have moved into Khan Sheikh, just 15 miles from the Golan, after killing 30 soldiers in a battle for a Syrian government missile squadron south of Damascus.

to put it all in perspective if you live in Israel or care about Israel

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 19, 2013 07:55 PM (jE38p)

157 People who are in a hurry get other people killed.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 19, 2013 07:48 PM (1q3zU



Thank you for that. My son had a freshly-minted female officer do her best to kill our boy and his buddies.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2013 07:55 PM (UOM48)

158 Wared out? You can't be wared out. We haven't been fighting a war.

If we had been fighting a war, NONE of Osama bin Laden's wives, children, siblings, parents, grandparents, cousins would still be alive. You want war? I will give you war. No one you know or love will live.


Posted by: Al at March 19, 2013 07:56 PM (V70Uh)

159 Is there some secret software one has to download to make the comments
work? I don't even care if I have italics, ampersands or asterisks.


Yes.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 19, 2013 07:56 PM (8ZskC)

160 Wheatie-Thanks for the reply, I'm glad you made me look up "mission creep"-definitely something I'll need to remember.

Sean-I will also keep that in mind. I should know better, but I guess sometimes I need reminding of that salient truth you brought up.

Posted by: Danny at March 19, 2013 07:56 PM (9Wy7P)

161 Finally! A non-ghey thread about important stuff!

Lindsey Graham was there to up the ante


dammit.


Maybe tomorrow.

Posted by: T. Hunter at March 19, 2013 07:57 PM (EZl54)

162 We need to Do Something!

Posted by: Mrs. Low Information Voter at March 19, 2013 07:57 PM (8ZskC)

163

And Clarence brings da STOOOPID.

Posted by: zsasz at March 19, 2013 07:57 PM (MMC8r)

164 Butterbars. Ya gotta love 'em. 2nd year they get much better.

I taught cadets for a time. Every year I'd hear this shit.

Two years later when they would get back in touch I'd be telling them to check themselves into the psych ward because they were becoming a danger to their troops.

But....that attitude has been around since the Spartans. It's good....and bad.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 19, 2013 07:58 PM (1q3zU)

165 >>>If we had been fighting a war, NONE of Osama bin Laden's wives, children, siblings, parents, grandparents, cousins would still be alive. You want war? I will give you war. No one you know or love will live.

What is your hourly rate?

Posted by: Eaton Cox at March 19, 2013 07:58 PM (q177U)

166
The situation in Syria is “liquid, unstable and dangerous,”


Big badda boom!

Posted by: Leeloo Dallas at March 19, 2013 07:59 PM (UrENZ)

167 Posted by: Mætenloch at March 19, 2013 07:42 PM (pAlYe)

Frankly, I think this is exactly the scenario that calls for heavy rather indiscriminate bombing, NOT troops on the ground. Incendiary disposal of potential weapons of mass destruction seems to be a good and proper use of this technology!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2013 07:59 PM (Cnqmv)

168 To all my friends on Kibbutz Hagoshrim: Keep your heads down and your gas masks up to date

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 19, 2013 07:59 PM (jE38p)

169 Fucking McCain and Girl Wonder Ms. Lindsey are the ones leading the "bipartisan" reach-around-the-aisle. That tells you right there whether its a good idea or not.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 19, 2013 07:59 PM (8ZskC)

170
We can air drop Meggie Mac.
Posted by: Ian S





Operation Dumbo Drop

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 19, 2013 07:59 PM (kdS6q)

171 66

Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at March 19, 2013 08:00 PM (RRbuy)

172 There are some things we should just not get involved in...

We are not the worlds Police.... the military is NOT a Force for 'Good'....

Democracies historicaly can wage war about 4 years, before they tire of it.... we've been in a War for more than 10, where we won't even say who the real enemy is.

Sooo.... these guys want us to go FURTHER in debt.... to stretch our defenses even further... to get involved in an Illegal War (The UN Charter says this is an internal insurection, and thus other member States cannot get involved... and we did sign that charter... it does have the force of Law...).

But Washington knows the crunch is coming.... so.... lets go have a War!

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 19, 2013 08:00 PM (lZBBB)

173 We should raise the average Syrian worker's hourly wage to $22. This would surely bring peace.

Posted by: Award-winning commenter Jones in CO at March 19, 2013 08:00 PM (8sCoq)

174 Frankly, I think this is exactly the scenario that calls for heavy rather indiscriminate bombing, NOT troops on the ground. Incendiary disposal of potential weapons of mass destruction seems to be a good and proper use of this technology!
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2013 07:59 PM (Cnqmv)


Well we do have a new generation of bunker-busters that could use some testing on actual third world bunkers.

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 19, 2013 08:00 PM (pAlYe)

175 Only after every elected Dem in DC personally goes onto CNN to explain how the Ruskies moved Saddam's WMD's to Syria. Before that, not one drone, not one

Posted by: Harry Reid is a pederast at March 19, 2013 08:01 PM (Pr6hk)

176 I didn't read your post Drew, and I will in a sec. But, my honest feeling here based on how Iraq and Afgahnistan have gone, let the savages in Syria kill each other and fix the mess they created for themselves. I don't want any more American lives wasted.

Posted by: L, elle at March 19, 2013 08:01 PM (0PiQ4)

177 175 Only after every elected Dem in DC personally goes onto CNN to explain how the Ruskies moved Saddam's WMD's to Syria. Before that, not one drone, not one
Posted by: Harry Reid is a pederast at March 19, 2013 08:01 PM (Pr6hk)

THIS! Ha!

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at March 19, 2013 08:02 PM (DGIjM)

178 test

Posted by: Eaton Cox at March 19, 2013 08:02 PM (q177U)

179 Meggy Mac at female Marine boot camp Parris Island. I'd actually pay to watch that.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2013 07:43 PM (UOM4


I chuckled, intermittently, each time I picked my forehead off the desk.

Huh. Best Years of Our Lives is on TCM.

Huh.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 19, 2013 08:02 PM (OWQEw)

180 dammit!

Posted by: Eaton Cox at March 19, 2013 08:02 PM (q177U)

181 157-Jane, perhaps you could share this story? (If it's not too personal). I've been enlisted for 2 years and in my experience not too many officers that were non 03 (infantry, thus they were all male) have had a role in too many life or death decisions insofar as combat ops go

Posted by: Danny at March 19, 2013 08:03 PM (9Wy7P)

182 Chemical weapons on the loose in Syria and somewhere in the Negev Desert a few Jews are dusting off the nuclear weapons.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 19, 2013 08:04 PM (jE38p)

183 I like the White House's official mideast map in which most of Israel no longer exists. Dems didn't used to be that open about how much they love the muzzies.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 19, 2013 08:05 PM (OevbG)

184 I like the White House's official mideast map in which most of Israel no longer exists. Dems didn't used to be that open about how much they love the muzzies.
Posted by: Ian S. at March 19, 2013 08:05 PM (OevbG)

And that hardly made a blip in the News of the day. Even here.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 19, 2013 08:06 PM (jE38p)

185
I kinda like what's going on in Syria right now.
Let the rats and cockroaches battle it out.

Posted by: garrett at March 19, 2013 08:07 PM (PFMsS)

186
Why the fk would we want to get involved ?

No matter who wins, we'll be fighting them.

We don't need " Infidel Go Home" with WMDs laying around.

If they're busy fighting each other, less chance of bothering us.

Posted by: seamrog at March 19, 2013 08:07 PM (rE+YI)

187 Huh. Best Years of Our Lives is on TCM.

Huh.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 19, 2013 08:02 PM (OWQEw)

love that movie

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at March 19, 2013 08:09 PM (DGIjM)

188
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 19, 2013 08:06 PM (jE38p)


Link?

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2013 08:09 PM (Cnqmv)

189 Link?
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2013 08:09 PM (Cnqmv)


For what?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 19, 2013 08:10 PM (jE38p)

190 Fred Thompson ‏@fredthompson

CA bill to ban use of lead in ammo for "environmental" reasons. I'd read the bill, but my mercury-filled CFL-bulb isn't bright enough.

Posted by: Award-winning commenter Jones in CO at March 19, 2013 08:10 PM (8sCoq)

191 181
157-Jane, perhaps you could share this story? (If it's not too
personal). I've been enlisted for 2 years and in my experience not too
many officers that were non 03 (infantry, thus they were all male) have
had a role in too many life or death decisions insofar as combat ops go

Posted by: Danny at March 19, 2013 08:03 PM (9Wy7P

I'll be more than happy to share it once our son is out this fall. I'm the daughter of a late, great AF officer/pilot, so I'm not down on officers. However, there are exceptions.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2013 08:10 PM (UOM48)

192 188: Click my name. (Safe link to Weasel Zippers).

Posted by: Ian S. at March 19, 2013 08:11 PM (OevbG)

193
Let 'em kill each other wholesale. I don't care about them as human beings in the least anymore.

You should have told your daddies and your big brothers not tomurder American troops a long time ago. You certainly shouldn't have grown up to follow in their footsetps. Fuck you. I hope you die screaming in agony.

Coming up on a dozen years throwing our money and lives at their problems should have taught us that there's absolutely no fixing them and no civilizing them. Back away and let them divide by zero.

Posted by: Jaws at March 19, 2013 08:11 PM (A3yiq)

194 One of the greatest events in recent human history was the Iran-Iraq War.

I was incredibly sad when it ended. Wish it could have been kept going longer.

Two groups of unmanageable violent psychotics going after each other hammer and tongs. And thereby not causing any of the trouble that they would have otherwise gotten up to.

America should have stayed clear and made popcorn and watched the fireworks. Instead we let ourselves get goatroped into providing naval escorts for Saudi and Kuwaiti oil tankers -- like the petrosheikhs give a rip about us.

Various bad consequences followed from that. USS _Stark_ soaked up a pair of Exocets. USS _Samuel B. Roberts_ ate a mine. USS _Vincennes_ got confused during a surface action and shot down an Iranian airliner with heavy civilian loss of life, a disastrous error which still tars our national reputation around the world.

Let's not repeat those mistakes, eh? Let the followers of the Prophet fight one another all they want. Stay clear of the shrapnel radius.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 19, 2013 08:11 PM (gqT4g)

195 Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 19, 2013 08:06 PM (jE38p)


WH Israel map story

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2013 08:11 PM (Cnqmv)

196 Again, as a 21 year career military guy with my own skin in the game,I say bring back the draft. Will it drop the quality of entrants in the short run? Yeah. But I really see a bad end to the trend of the "warrior caste". As an ever larger percentage of military volunteers come from military families, it becomes too easyfor politicians like Graham to say "boot on theground!!" Military families are too proud to complain, the rest of America is too removed to care.

As the marine graffitofamously said: "America is not at war, the Marine Corps is at war, America is at the mall."

We are slowly turning from Athens into Sparta.

Posted by: ZBBMcFate at March 19, 2013 08:11 PM (Hj9yW)

197 Haven't we been sending vehicles, advisers, etc. to Syria recently? If Americans were ever killed by chem weapons over there then the shitrope would start getting real slippery real fast.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2013 08:12 PM (ZshNr)

198 Quoting the article:

The map of Israel, displayed repeatedly during the video, shows the
Golan Heights, Jerusalem, northern Israel, and areas surrounding what is
currently the West Bank as non-Israeli territory. The Golan Heights is
shown as part of Syria; Jerusalem is shown as part of the West Bank; and northern Israel is shown as part of Lebanon.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 19, 2013 08:13 PM (OevbG)

199 WH Israel map story
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2013 08:11 PM (Cnqmv)


Yeah I am not sure where I last saw it. I think it was on weasel zippers about 2 days ago.


http://shoebat.com/2013/03/19/white-house-map-of-israel-leaves-out-jerusalem-golan-heights/

But here is another source

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 19, 2013 08:14 PM (jE38p)

200 Sounds like they need more vaginas in Syria. But then again, WHAT DOES IT MATTER?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 19, 2013 08:17 PM (n8LUb)

201 Posted by: Ian S. at March 19, 2013 08:11 PM (OevbG)
Thanks incredible!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2013 08:20 PM (Cnqmv)

202 And if they need more vaginas, we can send Graham and Levin. I've always viewed them as pussies anyway.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 19, 2013 08:20 PM (n8LUb)

203 Valid points ZBB McFate.

Posted by: awkward davies at March 19, 2013 08:23 PM (USjX1)

204 Or smelly.
Posted by: imp at March 19, 2013 07:19 PM (oGrkY)

Or Ogre KY

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 19, 2013 08:25 PM (FsUAO)

205
Gee its almost like Levin and Graham have investments in defense contractors.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 19, 2013 08:25 PM (IY7Ir)

206
At this point, I don't really think the after-effects of the Syrian civil war will be threatening to Israel.

Syria is getting wrecked. It will cost billions to rebuild the country. Either the Sunni oil sheiks pay for it or the Iranian mullahs, depending on who wins. Or Syria is wrecked and destitute. Any of these outcomes, still means that Israel is probably safe.
The point of us geting "involved" is to get us on the hook for "rebuilding". The war part would be relatively "easy" except for the casualties from the guys from "flyover country".

Because we all know about the charity of Muslims. I'd wager this civil war goes on for several years, with varying calls for "intervention", and then both sides get exhausted (or the country is just permanently wrecked like Lebanon), and then they want the "world community" to help rebuild.

No thanks.

Chemical weapons? How about Archlight missions over any of these suspected sites? Do we need the UN's "mother may I"?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes again! at March 19, 2013 08:26 PM (Md8Uo)

207 63 Hey Morons, I gotta say, this is a vexing issue for me. As someone getting commissioned next year, I want to see action. But I feel like there's an inconsistency with us. Democrats propose a draft; we argue that it's a cynical attempt at making war unlikely. Democrats (not just the loony Code Pink cunts) criticize parts of the war effort in Iraq; we argued that we needed to be there come hell or high water.
And now some of us want a draft and seem much more reserved about force. Can someone please (no sarcasm) explain this as obvious as the answer may be? Your wisdom is probably a fuck load better than my reflexively left wing professors.
Posted by: Danny at March 19, 2013 07:28 PM (9Wy7P)


Well, I've been all over the map politically. I've gone from Democrat to radical leftist to Libertarian (yes, that was whiplash-inducing) to Republican. Currently I'm a small-L libertarian who has just about had it with the Republican Party. I was a member of the Libertarian Party at the time of 9/11 (and voted for Bush in 2000) but I left because of their knee-jerk pacifism.

I'm opposed to a draft because I consider it to be a form of involuntary servitude. It makes the individual a servant of the State. If the nation is worth defending, citizens will flock to its defense voluntarily. If not, they won't.

I now believe that we should only go to war when our national interests are threatened, and we should fight to win. I don't want to see any more wars of nation-building, enforcing UN resolutions, or negotiated settlements. That didn't work for either World War I, Korea, or Vietnam. I don't want to see our warfighters burdened and endangered by constrictive ROEs which our enemies scoff at.

Wars should be fought hard and gotten over with as soon as possible. It's vital to have broad public support. Inconclusive wars that drag on year after year eventually lose public support, while wasting the lives of our fighting men and women. One of the drawbacks of a democratic form of government is that it's all but impossible to maintain a consistent policy over a long period of time. Wars that last a decade or more are almost certain to end on much different terms than the originators intended.

We simply can't afford to get involved in every fight around the world, so we need to pick our fights carefully and only get involved in those where we have a clear national interest.

My idea of effective generals are those like Sherman, Patton, and LeMay. Yes, I know there are plenty of Southerners on this board who have no love for Sherman, but if you're in a war, that's the way to fight it. Use maximum force, get it over with as quickly as possible, and ensure that the enemy knows that he is utterly defeated. That's how we were able to rebuild Germany and Japan into modern nations who we consider friends and allies.

My best wishes to you, Danny, and thank you for your service.

Posted by: rickl at March 19, 2013 08:26 PM (sdi6R)

208 I remember when Senator Graham was involved in a rear action in the Battle of the Castro District.

Good times, good times

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 19, 2013 08:31 PM (BuSM8)

209
Let's consider this. Forget country borders in the Middle East. There are 2 entities at war right now. Both Muslim.

Shia Muslims Iran, Syria and some portions of other countries.)

Sunni Muslims: ( Saudi Arabia "wahabi muzzies"-aka Al Queda-Egypt "muslim bros. and just about all other countries )

They have been feuding for centuries over who had the right to lead Islam when big Mo went airborne.
They will ever get along, ever. That's why the (former) U.S.didn't have a problem propping up secular military regimes.

It kept the rabid dogs from attacking, kept the oil flowing and kept Israel out of most of the BS.
The new u.s. sees this as a community needing activism.
let's just give them money and midnite b-ball, maybe a food pantry. And everyone will love us.

A bit simplistic, but not far off track. Agree ?

Posted by: seamrog at March 19, 2013 08:33 PM (rE+YI)

210 If anyone is keeping score, put me in the, "Fuck that" camp.

Posted by: Ook? at March 19, 2013 08:34 PM (OQpzc)

211 I'm personally torn but I have dear Syrian friends catching real shit as Christians. It's ugly for them.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 19, 2013 08:35 PM (dZNDC)

212 Aren't Slow Joe Barry Soetoro supposed to be overseas at the same time? That would be a great time for an attack. /half sarc

Posted by: Baldy at March 19, 2013 08:36 PM (opS9C)

213
Good luck Danny, and thanks for your service. My thinking is if it is "smash and leave" so it takes them decades to rebuild and not be a threat to us, I am all for it. If it is nation building, forget it. And if it is 2 sides that hate us in a civil war, we should stay away but encourage it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 19, 2013 08:37 PM (IY7Ir)

214
Let the prissy pants at the UN handle it.

No more Americans at risk in a desert wasteland getting slaughtered. After the left's non-stop screaming about "Bush's Wars" and "wars on the credit card", NO. Just NO.

Let the whole middle east burn to a cinder, and ship fireproof panels to Israel to put up at their borders.

Posted by: Boots at March 19, 2013 08:37 PM (oG66P)

215 Fuck 'em. It isn't our concern.

Posted by: Ken Royall at March 19, 2013 08:40 PM (x0g8a)

216 And people like Levin and Graham are in a leadership position. And that is the best we have? We need to leave this sh*t killing fest alone in Syria. They are doing well without us, and the ME needs to see what happens when the US is out and the sides are left to settle their own differences.

And with the lead from behind philosophy that O practices, we do not need another Libya. Hell of a war model.

This whole thing makes me nauseous. And people like Graham are casually willing to throw our finest into the black hole of a Syrian war.........

Posted by: Alaska Paul at March 19, 2013 08:42 PM (Hc+rA)

217 Grahamnsty and McStain were all for the Lyin kINGS illegal overthrow of Gaddafi and are likely the reason we will never know what happened in Bengazhi, whatever was going on there was likely known and approved of by dumb and dumber, and now the mental midgets want to waste more Americans lives stopping Muzzies from killin Muzzies. Would SOMEONE Please Primary these assholes out of the Senate?

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at March 19, 2013 08:44 PM (WwSGH)

218 Aren't Slow Joe Barry Soetoro supposed to be overseas at the same time? That would be a great time for an attack. /half sarc


Posted by: Baldy at March 19, 2013 08:36 PM (opS9C)

Occupy The WhiteHut?

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at March 19, 2013 08:46 PM (WwSGH)

219 Change the locks on the Whitehut?

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at March 19, 2013 08:48 PM (WwSGH)

220 I'm personally torn but I have dear Syrian friends catching real shit as Christians. It's ugly for them.

When evil Arab dictators rule, they keep the Christians around because the evil Arab dictators know that they can count on their loyalty.

When the evil Arab dictators fall, the Islamists get in and then get their pogrom on.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 19, 2013 08:49 PM (QTHTd)

221 211---" I'm personally torn but I have dear Syrian friends catching real shit as Christians. It's ugly for them."
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 19, 2013 08:35 PM (dZNDC)
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Yes, but if the rebels win, they will probably be in a worse situation than ever. Look at what has happened to the Iraqi Christian community since we "liberated" that country.
What a horrible mess.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 19, 2013 08:49 PM (C8mVl)

222
For my part, I couldn't care less if Muslims are killing each other. Well, that's not true. I'm pleased.

Let the prissy pants at the UN handle it.


Or the Europeans. They're our betters, doncha know. Show us how it's done. It's that fierce moral urgency thing. Boy, will we be embarrassed when they show us up.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 19, 2013 08:49 PM (IDSI7)

223 I've got an idea for protecting us from Syrian chemical weapons. Secure our fucking borders.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at March 19, 2013 08:55 PM (nZvGM)

224 Let me make my thoughts on the idea of the US getting involved militarily as clear as possible...No. Actually let me expand my thoughts....HELL NO.
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Amen to that.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at March 19, 2013 09:00 PM (eY6Xz)

225 222 Or the Europeans. They're our betters, doncha know. Show us how it's done. It's that fierce moral urgency thing. Boy, will we be embarrassed when they show us up.
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Won't you be surprised when it turns out that the Europeans really are better, and that the car-burning "youths" of the sensitive urban zones (ZUS) turn out to be staunch Gaulish patriots who support French arms all the way.

Of course, I'll be surprised too. Flabbergasted.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at March 19, 2013 09:05 PM (eY6Xz)

226 We are all Ron Paul.

First you ignored him. Then you ridiculed him. Then you attacked him. And then he won.

Posted by: JohnKerryIsADoucheBag at March 19, 2013 09:07 PM (2T1u7)

227

196
Again, as a 21 year career military guy with my own skin in the game,I say bring back the draft.

As someone who received a draft notice in 1970, I say NO.
BTW, I dodged being drafted into the Army by enlisting in the Navy.


Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 19, 2013 09:20 PM (p7J3E)

228 191-Thanks Jane, I'm sure that'll be an informative story.
Rickl and Guy Mohawk, you guys have helped me reinforce the idea of trying to only fight clearly defined battles and the reality that we can't always intervene. I'm starting to think Heinlein was right in Starship Troopers: "No Department of Defense ever won a war, see the histories."

Posted by: Danny at March 19, 2013 09:29 PM (9Wy7P)

229 I agree with Drew's basic premise. Sow. Reap. Some assembly required.


However...

As much as it pains me to agree with Miss Lindsey, leaving the chemical weapons loose over there is a disaster looking for an American city to happen. This doesn't mean supporting the rebels. Use the chaos to insert teams to destroy the weapons and kill ANY Syrians that try to interfere. Then pull the teams back out.


Oh, yeah. Overwhelming firepower, bitch.

Posted by: Boomer Redneque votes Galt/Rearden '16! Burn, baby, burn... at March 19, 2013 09:31 PM (eQnzo)

230 Send in a study team from the Senate and State Dept. Plus a very large contingent of "journalists".
Nuke it from orbit. Repeat until it's glassy. Everyone good has already left.
Shove it up your ass, hand-wringing bitches. You have no clue what they'd do to you if they could.

Posted by: Thorvald at March 19, 2013 09:37 PM (1V6Pv)

231 We're Broke!!!!
Go For It!!!!

Posted by: Dr Foistus at March 19, 2013 09:41 PM (+kznc)

232 The chemical weapon claim is dubious at best. The 'rebels' aka the jihadis couldn't cream themselves quicker if Assad used chemical weapons. He won't use them. Fuck. Hitler didn't even use them! The Generals always knew they were available with his backing.. but Hitler wasn't even that dumb.

Assad needs to survive.. and at this rate, he will.

Its Assad vs. insane head choppers. I'm partial to Assad. They are saying, like Gaddafi did, that they're fighting Jihadi extremists. Even Gaddafi was right on that one.

Obama is the most inept idiot of all time, along with his cabinet. Can one imagine the stupidity that would flow if this idiot got us into another war? It could be the end of us.

Posted by: We are doomed. at March 19, 2013 09:42 PM (4pEBT)

233 McStain still looking for a war in which to claim victory?

Maybe OBlahBLah, Ketchup Giggalo My Namesake, McStain and Mistress Grahmnasty should set their sights on East Timor or the Galapagos Islands!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at March 19, 2013 09:53 PM (WwSGH)

234 i hate to say it , but Assad is better than the Islamonazis as was Gaddafi, Hussein and the Shah

Posted by: Avi at March 19, 2013 09:54 PM (z9OI2)

235 btw, Israelis have said for ten years that the Russians airlifted WMDs from Iraq to Syria just before the invasion

Posted by: Avi at March 19, 2013 09:57 PM (z9OI2)

236 227
BTW, I dodged being drafted into the Army by enlisting in the Navy.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 19, 2013 09:20 PM (p7J3E)


My father did that in 1940.

Posted by: rickl at March 19, 2013 10:12 PM (sdi6R)

237 218 Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at March 19, 2013 08:46 PM (WwSGH) ------- I meant for the US to attack Syria.

Posted by: Baldy at March 19, 2013 10:25 PM (opS9C)

238
Ummmmmmmmm we’re in a cash crunch aint we?

*puts on Lord of War hat*

Sell the goodies to BOTH sides!!

Posted by: Katfish at March 19, 2013 10:49 PM (Nx5wc)

239 all for sitting back with some popcorn and the joystick to a few reapers in my lap. i don't see what we would be investing in, by supporting either side. especially crazy islamists who right after they stop trying to kill each other start right up trying to figure out how to kill us.

Posted by: ElDeuce at March 19, 2013 11:46 PM (RgPE7)

240 I'm all for giving the rebels arms if they arrive at the tip of a Tomahawk, or better yet, a Poseiden or Minuteman. Do we still use Poseidens?

First, make the rubble bounce. To be followed by nuke, pave, repeat.

We can pump oil from under glass, trust me.

Posted by: Xenophon at March 19, 2013 11:47 PM (JNMaY)

241 i also feel like i have more accountability from my dog on the things i say & positions i take, than politicians do on life and death decisions made with all of our money.

Posted by: ElDeuce at March 19, 2013 11:48 PM (RgPE7)

242 Stop poking the bear with a stick. This reminds me of the Balkans plus Iraq times ten. The proposed zones for civilians never work without massive intervention. No doubt extra insane rules of engagement would be employed.

Stay out.

Posted by: Beagle at March 20, 2013 03:03 AM (mLEf3)

243 Graham's got one thing right - if the West goes in at all, it has to be prepared to go in all guns blazing, thump the fuck out of BOTH sides, and stay there beating heads ruthlessly together until the little bastards learn how to behave like civilised men.

Has the US got the guts for that sort of thing? No? Then by all means stay out.

Posted by: perturbed at March 20, 2013 09:22 AM (u6Ueb)

244 Give both of these dolts a big stick with a nail in the end and send their fat asses into the fray. Enough of these wormy politicians.

Posted by: rplat at March 20, 2013 12:48 PM (U/Ao5)

245
Lindsay erupts? Conservatives are screwed. Take that to the bank every single stinking time. Man does it stink.

Posted by: Born Free at March 22, 2013 08:13 AM (htomV)






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