NYT's Nick Kristoff Finds the New Pope Regrettably Catholic

Politics, politics, politics. Leftism, leftism, leftism.

Pope Francis seems liberal on social justice but sadly traditional on sexuality and contraception

Gateway Pundit writes that the pope has been linked to an Anti-Marxist organization. It's called "The Catholic Church."

No but really it's called Comunione e Liberazione.

#RealReporters NYT, Boston Globe, and WaPo All Rush to Promote Pope's Twitter Feed... except it's a parody feed.

Well you can hardly blame them. It's not like every single newsworthy event produces a dozen parody feeds

Erin Burnett Is a Sad Panda Too: Their favorite tactic -- actually, everyone's favorite tactic in politics -- is to claim "If you adopt my politics, you'll become more popular, Serious You Guys."

Erin Burnett to the Pope: Serious You Guys, you need to be liberal.

Posted by: Ace at 02:27 PM



Comments

1 No Communion for you, Biden.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 14, 2013 02:29 PM (wbmaj)

2 I think the New Pope looks remarkably like actor Jonathan Pryce (the Villain from Tomorrow Never Dies).

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 14, 2013 02:29 PM (UypUQ)

3 You mean the Pope of the Catholic Church has the TEMERITY to be CATHOLIC!!?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 14, 2013 02:29 PM (4df7R)

4 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 14, 2013 02:29 PM (4OvDk)

5 I think the New Pope looks remarkably like actor Jonathan Pryce (the Villain from Tomorrow Never Dies).
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 14, 2013 02:29 PM (UypUQ)


Among many, many, many other things.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 14, 2013 02:29 PM (4df7R)

6 Journalists are stupid. When will they stop sending journalists who understand NOTHING about religion to cover it. See, e.g., Sally Quinn, religious correspondent or whatever for the WaPo (or some other birdcage lining).

I want a conservative white male as the president of NOW.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 02:29 PM (6zgse)

7 Next, they will discover the Pope believes in Christ and the Sacrament.

Posted by: rd at March 14, 2013 02:30 PM (zLp5I)

8 The won't be satisfied until the Cathoic church and every other religion open up an abortion clinic.

Posted by: willow-ette at March 14, 2013 02:30 PM (nqBYe)

9 Back of the cafeteria line, Nick.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at March 14, 2013 02:30 PM (XrGnJ)

10 Well O/T as I am want to do. Don't forget March 14th!

This should have it's own post!


http://tinyurl.com/avkjm6r

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at March 14, 2013 02:30 PM (wR+pz)

11 Does the pope shit in the woods?

Posted by: Bear Bryant at March 14, 2013 02:30 PM (yn6XZ)

12 BREAKING: Pope is Catholic.

Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:31 PM (GQ8sn)

13 Among many, many, many other things.

Posted by: MWR


Yeah, like the prick in the Lexus commercials.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 14, 2013 02:31 PM (UCv7P)

14 A Pope that follows Catholic doctrine? Well knock me over with a feather...

Posted by: Insomniac at March 14, 2013 02:31 PM (I7p2r)

15 I pretty much can take anything the new Pope wants to dish out, as long as a copy of the koran never gets close to his lips. With Pope Ratzinger that was a given.

Posted by: Regular Moron at March 14, 2013 02:31 PM (feFL6)

16 What until he finds out "social justice" in the Pope's meaning of the phrase is not the same as his.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 14, 2013 02:31 PM (TOk1P)

17 I want a conservative white male as the president of NOW.

That's as much the center of a system of religious belief and dogmatic practice as the church. Thus your expectations should be as limited for success.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at March 14, 2013 02:31 PM (XrGnJ)

18 Ace, are you at CPAC now?

Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:31 PM (GQ8sn)

19
Does the pope shit in the woods?Posted by: Bear Bryant

What reading material does he take with him?


Posted by: ALH at March 14, 2013 02:32 PM (yAPdC)

20 I don't get "social justice". No one ever defines that term.

Why is it better than "genuine justice"?

Is it good to socialize justice? Why, doesn't that mean that some people who don't deserve it will get some and vice versa?

Who determines what is "justice" under "social justice"? Because I have a very different idea than they do.

In fact, I think Kristof should be socially justified.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 14, 2013 02:32 PM (T0NGe)

21 I demand George W. Bush as the head of Code Pink!

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 02:32 PM (6zgse)

22

But, why does Vic shoot in bare feet?


Posted by: midday on the beach at March 14, 2013 02:33 PM (XYSwB)

23 Those guys at the NYT are almost as bright as Biden.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 14, 2013 02:33 PM (4OvDk)

24 Kristoff, doesn't understand the term Social Justice in the context of a non-US Jesuit either.

Posted by: Jean at March 14, 2013 02:33 PM (S4AQU)

25 eah, like the prick in the Lexus commercials.


Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 14, 2013 02:31 PM (UCv7P)

Wrong, Infinit.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 14, 2013 02:33 PM (UypUQ)

26 I'm a Jew and really have no idea about The Catholic Church, but if this new Pope is making the left bat shit crazy then he must be a good old boy and OK with me.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 14, 2013 02:33 PM (9Bj8R)

27 I guess they want a father Pfleger type pope?

Posted by: willow-ette at March 14, 2013 02:33 PM (nqBYe)

28 Local reporter investigates history of newly selected Pope, learns all Popes are Catholic males. Immediately launches investigative campaign to expose the Vatican as an Unequal Opportunity Employer.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 14, 2013 02:33 PM (4df7R)

29

You know what's funny in this whole charade?

That this part was written weeks ago:

______________ seems liberal on social justice but sadly traditional on sexuality and contraception.

They were only waiting for a name to fill in the blank.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 14, 2013 02:34 PM (vzLhi)

30 I think the New Pope looks remarkably like

I saw some side by side photo of the new Pope and George Sr. They looked remarkably alike but I don't have one clue who the hell George Sr is.

Posted by: Regular Moron at March 14, 2013 02:34 PM (feFL6)

31
Kristoff...
He's the guy who swooned back in 2007,when Barky recited the Muslim Shahada in perfect Arabic, and said that the Muslim call to prayer, was...'The most beautiful sound' in the world.

Posted by: wheatie at March 14, 2013 02:34 PM (2xMNt)

32 Posted by: Jean at March 14, 2013 02:33 PM (S4AQU)

Been trying to figure that one out meself.... what DO the non US Jesuits mean by Social Justice...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2013 02:34 PM (lZBBB)

33 Nick Kristoff is a sadly traditional twat-waffle.

Posted by: eleven at March 14, 2013 02:34 PM (KXm42)

34 re 20: social justice is like fairness. Only Libs and lefties are qualified to define the terms.

Posted by: mallfly at March 14, 2013 02:35 PM (bJm7W)

35 I guess they want a father Pfleger type pope?

Yes, more or less.

They would settle for a merely Marxist Pope. What they really want is a Gay Transgendered Pope who believes in Abortion.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 14, 2013 02:35 PM (4OvDk)

36 >>>Among many, many, many other things.

Posted by: MWR

Yeah, like the prick in the Lexus commercials.


That bad guy in Ronin.

Posted by: Roddy Piper at March 14, 2013 02:35 PM (rdy8w)

37 When you end the shahada with the whoosh of a Hellfire, I agree, beautiful.

Posted by: Jean at March 14, 2013 02:35 PM (S4AQU)

38 If you hang out on WW2 forums, the neo nazis are always whining about "victors writing the history." However, I see the loser writing the history:

Look at South America: You would think that communists weren't running around killing people and that it was all right wing violence. Hardly.

Same here: You would think that the left has never been plotting to over throw our government and all these jerks like Hiss weren't spies. Some nut here was trying to argue Hiss was innocent the other week.

Posted by: waldo truth at March 14, 2013 02:35 PM (3VhRQ)

39 Now, now, let's be respectful. ALL IS CALM!

Posted by: Jay Carney Ready to Shit or Quit at March 14, 2013 02:36 PM (wIgpo)

40 I would like to nominate David Duke to be chairman of the NAACP.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 14, 2013 02:36 PM (4df7R)

41
Maybe traditional isn't so bad, eh? It is, after all, what got us to this point.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 14, 2013 02:36 PM (yhYn1)

42
Obama has a lot in common with the scandals of the Catholic Church.


It seems that no matter if you overspend on a "meeting" in Vegas, or
let an ambassador to Libya get himself killed by refusing extra
security, members of the Obama Administration keep getting reshuffled
from one job to another rather than being actually "let go."


You know .. just like what the bishops used to do with all those pedophile priests.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at March 14, 2013 02:36 PM (e8kgV)

43 I'm lovin all the NON Catholic Blacks here in Hollywood who are pissed because they didn't choose a Black Pope...

Because President aint enough...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2013 02:36 PM (lZBBB)

44 Apparently, the new Pope is an anti-Jesuit Jesuit, of sorts...
----
"The first Jesuit pope? Well, yes, in a manner of speaking.
Bergoglio is an old-school Jesuit, formed by classic Ignatian
spirituality and deeply committed to an intelligent, sophisticated
appropriation and proclamation of the full symphony of Catholic truth —
qualities not notable for their prevalence among members of the Society
of Jesus in the early 21st century. I suspect there were not all that
many champagne corks flying last night in those Jesuit residences
throughout the world where the Catholic Revolution That Never Was is
still regarded as the ecclesiastical holy grail. For the shrewder of the
new pope’s Jesuit brothers know full well that that dream was just
dealt another severe blow.
And they perhaps fear that this pope, knowing
the Society of Jesus and its contemporary confusions and corruptions as
he does, just might take in hand the reform of the Jesuits that was one
of the signal failures of the pontificate of John Paul II."

Source: NRO

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 14, 2013 02:36 PM (UypUQ)

45 And I bet that what a Pope means by "social justice" has little to do with what Kristoff or any other stock leftist-progressive means. I really do not understand all of this heartache over the Pope being Catholic - if progressives want the ritual, traditions, and the regalia of Catholic worship combined with homosexuality and abortions they have the Epsicopalian church already.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at March 14, 2013 02:36 PM (hLRSq)

46

If only the Republicans had the balls to go as conservative as the Pope just did.

Posted by: midday on the beach at March 14, 2013 02:36 PM (XYSwB)

47 OT


The pic of the female golfer on Drudge is absolutely rack-tastic! I think I'm going to need some "alone time" in the bathroom.




Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:36 PM (GQ8sn)

48 For the Progressive-Socialist chattering class 'social justice' means they want to take your stuff and give to others to make it more fair.

What the Catholic Church traditionally teaches about social justice is to work personally to help others.

One is a top-down diktat of theft while the other tells people to get out there and help.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 02:36 PM (X81fn)

49 He led masses in support of the Buenos Aires Jewish community in the wake of the Iranian terror attacks as well as annual Holocaust remembrance services.

I was dreading the Vatican electing the Joo-hating leftist cardinal from Nicaragua.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 14, 2013 02:37 PM (XkWWK)

50
2I think the New Pope looks remarkably like actor Jonathan Pryce (the Villain from Tomorrow Never Dies).
---
Don't forget Juan Peron from Evita

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 14, 2013 02:37 PM (SO2Q8)

51 Non-Catholics displeased with New Pope.

New Pope doesn't give a shit.

Posted by: zsasz at March 14, 2013 02:37 PM (MMC8r)

52 I knew, almost immediately, due to the stuttering "experts" who were pundits on the live feed yesterday, that Pope Francis was not who they hoped. Not sure who that would be (a cardinal who supports gay marriage and abortion?), but whatever. They were stunned and almost speechless at not having the inside view of who they thought was in the top five.

Seeing as how Argentina's First Lady said his views on abortion were "medieval and similar to the Inquisition," I figured him to be a good man, who will adhere to the teachings of the Church. Even more important: it appears he will adhere to the teachings of God through scripture.

I am not Catholic and I pray for Pope Francis to lead and ignore secular wishes.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 14, 2013 02:37 PM (baL2B)

53
Why does the Church allow all these Black Liberation Theology parishes in the US? Shut them down!

Posted by: waldo truth at March 14, 2013 02:37 PM (3VhRQ)

54
"I don't get "social justice". No one ever defines that term."
Whatever a leftist says it means. We're supposed to just nod in agreement. See:
Social justice
White privilege
Environmental justice
etc., etc., etc.,

Posted by: Jess1 at March 14, 2013 02:37 PM (lbiWb)

55 Romeo, how is your Latin?

Posted by: Jean at March 14, 2013 02:37 PM (S4AQU)

56 >>>Among many, many, many other things.

Posted by: MWR

Yeah, like the prick in the Lexus commercials.

That bad guy in Ronin.


Posted by: Roddy Piper at March 14, 2013 02:35 PM (rdy8w)


And the prez/Zartan in GI Joe.

Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:37 PM (GQ8sn)

57 Romeo, trying to find a good write up untainted by the local Jesuit whores.

Posted by: Jean at March 14, 2013 02:38 PM (S4AQU)

58 They say anti-marxist group like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 14, 2013 02:38 PM (NJs1e)

59 I think the New Pope looks remarkably like actor Jonathan Pryce (the Villain from Tomorrow Never Dies).

Is that where I saw him?

Posted by: Captain Jack Sparrow at March 14, 2013 02:38 PM (hO9ad)

60 New Pope doesn't give a shit.
Posted by: zsasz at March 14, 2013 02:37 PM (MMC8r)

Pope Honey Badger I.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 14, 2013 02:38 PM (DrWcr)

61
32 -

I believe it's more of a matter of one's personal ministry (for the cleric involved). If you are familiar with the Jesuit order, you know that these guys do NOT take a vow of poverty, and lots of them live a rather ritzy lifestyle, especially those who have been attached to American Jusuit universities.

So if Pope Francis is living a social ministry, it means essentially, he's living among the poor. Living simply, and practicing what he preaches.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 14, 2013 02:38 PM (TOk1P)

62 Rush has been making a great point that liberals will never demand Islam adopt "progressive" policies.

Posted by: Craig Poe at March 14, 2013 02:38 PM (BVkEs)

63 Pope Francis was active in denying communion to politicians, like Pelosi, who support abortion.

Pelosi is now "at war" with her our Church.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at March 14, 2013 02:38 PM (e8kgV)

64 Weird -

All those blue-hairs in the 50's who protested Elvis's devil hips being shown on the tee-vee?

Who's laughing now?

_

Well, *we* are because they're dead and all.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 14, 2013 02:38 PM (9P+hO)

65 If I had my way, mass would be in Latin. Learn it or get out.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 14, 2013 02:39 PM (wbmaj)

66 Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 14, 2013 02:37 PM (baL2B)

Well.... no one expected the Inquisition....

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2013 02:39 PM (lZBBB)

67 Pope Francis seems liberal on social justice but sadly traditional on sexuality and contraception

'Just' War on Women!

Posted by: Typical Lefty at March 14, 2013 02:39 PM (feFL6)

68 Also, what's with the hat?

Posted by: Nick Kristoff at March 14, 2013 02:39 PM (8ZskC)

69 And the prez/Zartan in GI Joe.


Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:37 PM (GQ8sn)

Spoiler?

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 14, 2013 02:39 PM (UypUQ)

70 I don't get "social justice". No one ever defines that term.

Per Kathy Shaidle of the fivefeetoffury blog (hmmm....five feet of fury...sounds familiar)

Social justice: The stubborn application of unworkable solutions to imaginary problems.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at March 14, 2013 02:39 PM (BrQrN)

71 In accordance withour decision to be as humble and connected to the People as is possible, we have decided to answer a question a day on this, your Internet.

"Does the pope shit in the woods?" We admit to being pleasantly surprised at the number of times this scatological inquiry has been made, not only of us but as if it were an Eternal Mystery.

Gentle Respondent, we can confirm that we have done so in the past while we were still amongst the Worldly. However we are but one Blessed day Invested with the Holy Mitre and we shall hopefully not be so inconvenienced in the future.

Regards and Blessings to you All,
Pope Francis I

Posted by: Pope Francis I at March 14, 2013 02:39 PM (3ZtZW)

72 >>>Pope Francis seems liberal on social justice

Well there is a superficial similarity between distributionism and redistributionism that would lead and ignorant MSM F*ck to make the error of mistaking one for the other. We'll get to see what His Holiness really thinks at this point. I'll tell you a couple of things that likely will not happen, Distributionism will not become Ex cathedra and therefore not actual cannon beyond reproach. AND You will not see His Holiness side with liberals in American Politics thanks to Obamacare.

Good job burning that bridge BTW.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 14, 2013 02:39 PM (0q2P7)

73 He's also "sadly traditional" on things like transubstantiation, the efficacy of prayer, and Apostolic Succession. In other words, the Pope is Catholic.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at March 14, 2013 02:39 PM (Ud5vq)

74 The only acceptable pope would be Pope Rawmuscleglutes the First. Barebacking and glory holes in the Vatican Men's Room? Papal robes died pink?

Posted by: ejo at March 14, 2013 02:39 PM (GXvSO)

75 If the WH steno pool hates him now, wait till he starts talking. They're really going to hate him in about a year - is my prediction.

Posted by: Whatev at March 14, 2013 02:40 PM (A7Wh1)

76 Ace, several of the alleged "candidates" for being elected Pope were known for their tweeting. I am not sure about Francis, but I suspect he wasn't one of them.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 14, 2013 02:40 PM (TOk1P)

77 Journalists are stupid. When will they stop sending journalists who understand NOTHING about religion to cover it.


It's amazing any journolisters went to the Vatican City to cover it.
If I played for Team Stan, I'd be kinda leery of an away game in the Big House, knowing who the new Pope's Coach was.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 14, 2013 02:40 PM (GFM2b)

78 #62 Like having the masses shower once or twice a year.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 14, 2013 02:40 PM (wbmaj)

79 He led masses in support of the Buenos Aires Jewish
community in the wake of the Iranian terror attacks as well as annual
Holocaust remembrance services.



I was dreading the Vatican electing the Joo-hating leftist cardinal from Nicaragua.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 14, 2013 02:37 PM (XkWWK)

good to know.

Posted by: willow-ette at March 14, 2013 02:40 PM (nqBYe)

80 I don't get "social justice". No one ever defines that term.
I think it's a lot like "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

Posted by: Insomniac at March 14, 2013 02:40 PM (DrWcr)

81 And the prez/Zartan in GI Joe.




Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:37 PM (GQ8sn)

Spoiler?


Posted by: Serious Cat at March 14, 2013 02:39 PM (UypUQ)


Not really. It's shown in the trailer.

Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:40 PM (GQ8sn)

82 No one in the media was going to be happy about the new Pope unless she was a black, lesbian handing out 'Jesus on the Cross' vibrators along with the monthly supply of RU486.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 14, 2013 02:40 PM (AC0lD)

83 Hey AllenG,


from the now dead previous thread:



Extra points for making a nominee cry.



Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 14, 2013 02:16 PM (4OvDk)

--------------------------------

Heheh.
My senior year of high school they did a city wide high school fake
congress thing. My best friend and I sat in on some "committee" where
this stupid bubbleheaded chick introduced....I don't even know what it
was, a resolution?...that was supposed disapprove/make illegal any form
of "compulsory voting." I ask to be recognized and immediately start
blowing holes in her little work. I can see her tearing up and I've
proven my point, so I sit down, leaving quite a bit unsaid. My best
friend immediately asks to be recognized and then she fucking lays out
the girl on all the things I didn't say. Girl sits down weeping.

Our teacher was sitting in the audience laughing and giving us the thumbs up.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 14, 2013 02:33 PM (da5Wo)

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 14, 2013 02:40 PM (da5Wo)

84 We were terribly concerned with what Kristoff thought about the Pope, said no Catholic ever.

Posted by: Roy at March 14, 2013 02:40 PM (VndSC)

85 the day here is rather nice, think i'll go breath fresh air.

have fun, no fighting.

Posted by: willow-ette at March 14, 2013 02:40 PM (nqBYe)

86 To regressives, social justice is as follows:

"Your race/gender/religion/sexual orientation/fetish culture/etc have spent centuries being oppressed by white male Christian heterosexuals. We will attempt to balance the scales for your years of oppression by making sure that white male Christian heterosexuals pay back to you -- either through money, housing, employment, or some other form of wealth redistribution -- everything they have taken from your race/gender/religion/sexual orientation/fetish culture for centuries. It's time to make them feel your heritage of pain. Let us help you."

Or, to put it more succinctly: "Fuck whitey."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 14, 2013 02:40 PM (4df7R)

87 "Journalists are stupid. When will they stop sending journalists who understand NOTHING about religion to cover it. "

How true!

Sally Quinn is Horrible.

It's hard to write about religion well if all you understand is "If we just had the proper kind of government" things would be practically perfect on earth" or "These religious people are all really rather stupid aren't they, unless they think exactly the way I do"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 02:41 PM (g7q64)

88 What the Catholic Church traditionally teaches about social justice is to work personally to help others.

Then it really needs to return to the term "Christian Charity."

Social Justice implies the weight of (secular) law.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 14, 2013 02:41 PM (4OvDk)

89 If I had my way, mass would be in Latin. Learn it or get out.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 14, 2013 02:39 PM (wbmaj)


Verbum

Posted by: St. Jerome at March 14, 2013 02:41 PM (8ZskC)

90 Hmm. I find Kristoff's savior, Barack, regrettably Marxist. And regrettably a**hole.

It's ying to his yang. Curiously enough, a balanced approach.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 14, 2013 02:41 PM (eHIJJ)

91 55 Romeo, how is your Latin?


Posted by: Jean at March 14, 2013 02:37 PM (S4AQU)


Semper Spartacus??? Always Spartacus??? LOL.... non existant...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2013 02:41 PM (lZBBB)

92 I yelled at my computer earlier when Rush was playing a montage of reporters complaining that the new Pope isn't a lib.

Arrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!!!!

One of them said that the church would expand further (or something like that) if they accepted homosexuality, contraception, etc. I guess the mainline protestant churches growing like no man's business.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 02:41 PM (6zgse)

93 So far, go good.

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2013 02:41 PM (5H6zj)

94 And could he get around to shutting Pfleger up?

Posted by: ejo at March 14, 2013 02:42 PM (GXvSO)

95 The Los Angeles Times ran a Thursday editorial by Middlebury College Professor Bill McKibben arguing that allowing millions of illegal immigrants into America will reduce global warming.
“I feel it's urgent that we get real immigration reform, allowing millions to step out of the shadows and on to a broad path toward citizenship,” wrote McKibben. “It will help, not hurt, our environmental efforts, and potentially in deep and powerful ways.”
McKibben says that while the average American has a larger carbon footprint than a person living in the developing world, bringing more immigrants to America would likely reduce their tendency to have higher birthrates, thereby creating less carbon-producing people.
“It's true that the typical person from a developing nation would produce more carbon once she adopted an American lifestyle,” says McKibben, “but she also probably would have fewer children.”

???? What do these assholes just make shit up? Yeah I know

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 14, 2013 02:42 PM (9Bj8R)

96 Jesuits kick ass. Literally.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 14, 2013 02:42 PM (wbmaj)

97
"The pic of the female golfer on Drudge is absolutely rack-tastic! I think I'm going to need some "alone time" in the bathroom"
That's Natalie Gulb.... something. She has a habit of "stretching" before tee shots by putting the club behind her head w/both hands...
BRB.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 14, 2013 02:42 PM (lbiWb)

98 Yeah, American Jesuits are quite the interesting characters.

I went to a Jesuit University, and their housing complex had a room full of booze the size of a college cafeteria.

Posted by: The Q at March 14, 2013 02:42 PM (yVmMc)

99 I was later shocked, shocked I tell ya, to learn where bears shit.

Posted by: NickKristof at March 14, 2013 02:43 PM (7ObY1)

100 43 I'm lovin all the NON Catholic Blacks here in Hollywood who are pissed because they didn't choose a Black Pope...

Because President aint enough...
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2013 02:36 PM (lZBBB)


What, they want a stupid, unqualified jerk to wreck it from top to bottom?

Because as I understand most of the African bishops, they might be more receptive to the "social justice" crap, but if you think this pope is socially conservative...hoo boy.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 14, 2013 02:43 PM (T0NGe)

101 What, exactly, is this "Catholicism," of which you speak?

Posted by: The New York Times at March 14, 2013 02:43 PM (pmsMR)

102 Did I mention that the South American Churches still Excommunicate for abortion?


Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 14, 2013 02:43 PM (0q2P7)

103 For the Progressive-Socialist chattering class 'social justice' means
they want to take your stuff and give to others to make it more fair.

What the Catholic Church traditionally teaches about social justice is to work personally to help others.


So for example, the Godly version of social justice would be running charity hospitals to give basic care to whichever poor you can help, as opposed to government mandated robbery of everyone in order to hand goodies to those who vote the preferred way.

Posted by: Methos at March 14, 2013 02:43 PM (hO9ad)

104 20--- " I don't get "social justice". No one ever defines that term. "

Posted by: AmishDude at March 14, 2013 02:32 PM (T0NGe)
------------------
There are two terms that drive me crazy, completamente loca en la cabeza. One is when people (usually sportscasters) use the word "differential" when they mean "difference." The other is "social justice."

I make a habit of driving my fellow Catholics nuts by refusing to accept the term without a definition. If they can drive me cuckoo by using it, I can drive them crazy by insisting they explain it. And they can't.

Some Catholics really do mean Caesar-worshiping socialism when they use the term but most are just parroting a chic phrase.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 14, 2013 02:43 PM (C8mVl)

105 That's Natalie Gulb.... something. She has a habit of "stretching"
before tee shots by putting the club behind her head w/both hands...
BRB.



She's about to exceed the maximum safe rackage for that sports bra.

Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:44 PM (GQ8sn)

106

Meh, the liberal media's job is to confuse and lie about who the Pope is, and what he represents (to the LiV).

Their job is to misrepresent to belittle and destroy what they do not believe in.

Posted by: midday on the beach at March 14, 2013 02:44 PM (XYSwB)

107 "Journalists are stupid. When will they stop sending journalists who understand NOTHING about religion to cover it. "

A few years back a newspaper sent a young stringer to cover the jubilee of a local Catholic bishop. The stringer, obviously not a Catholic, referred to the bishop as "wearing colorful costumes and a pointy hat."

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at March 14, 2013 02:44 PM (e8kgV)

108 I swear, this new guy sounds more catholic than the pope.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 14, 2013 02:44 PM (SO2Q8)

109 [iPope Francis seems liberal on social justice but sadly traditional on sexuality and contraception


As I said yesterday the Jesuits have been using that term "social justice" since forever. It does not mean the same thing that these Marxists have perverted it to.

Posted by: Vic at March 14, 2013 02:45 PM (53z96)

110 Have we gotten the opinions of Dershowitz, Ed Koch's ghost, or Sandra Bernhard on the selection of this pope yet? Ranks up there with Kristof and his opinion.

Posted by: ejo at March 14, 2013 02:45 PM (GXvSO)

111 She's about to exceed the maximum safe rackage for that sports bra.


Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:44 PM (GQ8sn)



Gee, that would be a shame.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 14, 2013 02:45 PM (da5Wo)

112 Our teacher was sitting in the audience laughing and giving us the thumbs up.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 14, 2013 02:33 PM (da5Wo)


Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 14, 2013 02:40 PM (da5Wo)

In the 70's, my High School let the Seniors have 3 days for a 'Mock Political Convention'.... me and my Friends volunteered to run security.... you know... make sure the Pimp and Whore Party didn't bring in weapons and such...

We then proceeded to throw a Military Coup on the last day.... 2 teachers busted a gut.... others were 'not amused'....

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2013 02:45 PM (lZBBB)

113 I wonder if one added up the acts of child molestation committed by Catholic priests over two millennia divided by the total number of priests... and compared that with similar acts performed by US teachers over the past two centuries, what one would find.

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2013 02:45 PM (5H6zj)

114 Wretchard has an interesting post about Pope Francis at Belmont Club:

http://tinyurl.com/aq7qbxn

So in terms of the current context of Latin American politics, Bergoglio stands in a position analogous to that of John Paul II in relationship to the politics of Eastern Europe.

Hmm. That's enough to give one hope.

Posted by: rickl at March 14, 2013 02:45 PM (zoehZ)

115 I'm guessing the teachers would not compare favorably.

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2013 02:45 PM (5H6zj)

116
'Social Justice' is getting through other means of coersion something you wouldn't be able to get in a court of law.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 14, 2013 02:45 PM (AC0lD)

117 "Social justice" sounds a lot like "collective punishment."

Posted by: Phinn at March 14, 2013 02:46 PM (oFH2D)

118 It's been bugging me since yesterday trying to figure out who the new Pope strongly reminds me of and I haven't been able to come up with the name until just now-- he has an uncanny resemblance to the aging Stan Laurel.


Not sure exactly what, if anything, that portends.








Posted by: Ron Penfound at March 14, 2013 02:46 PM (Q1DS+)

119 I would love to see him call for excommunicating every Catholic who call for support for unlimited abortions.

Posted by: Vic at March 14, 2013 02:46 PM (53z96)

120 Perhaps because Dolan and others in the American College of Cardinals has not shut Pfleger and his ilk up is the reason none of them got the nod to be Pope? The Americans need to nut up and clean up their mess.

AllenG, I am not sure who stole the phrase in the matter. But I bet the Progressive-Socialists did and turned it upside down. Its their nature to steal, lie, and destroy what is good by inverting it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 02:46 PM (X81fn)

121 Pelosi asked Feinstein to help her prepare her response to the Pope after learning he may excommunicate her: This is her response.

I'm not a sixth grader,” she told the Pope. “I'm not a priest, but after 20 years I've been up close and personal to Catholicism. I have great respect for it … it's fine you want to lecture me on being Catholic. I appreciate it. Just know I've been here for a long time. I'veattended a number of masses. I've studied the Canons myself. I am reasonably well educated, and I thank you for the lecture.”

Posted by: polynikes at March 14, 2013 02:46 PM (m2CN7)

122
#105, ec: you should see her do it in a "windshirt" (the tight zip up thingy).
*sigh*

Posted by: Jess1 at March 14, 2013 02:46 PM (lbiWb)

123
I don't get "social justice". No one ever defines that term.

***

"Social justice" is where your betters tell you what you can have and what you must do. It's a euphemism for fascism just as "social disease" is a euphemism for venereal disease.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 14, 2013 02:46 PM (Hx5uv)

124 The Bible talks about justice with no favoritism under the law. It says poor people shouldn't be taken advantage of and oppressed, but it also says that poor people don't get any special favors. Exodus 23:2-3: "When you give testimony in a lawsuit, do not pervert justice by siding with the crowd, and do not show favoritism to a poor person in a lawsuit."

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 02:46 PM (6zgse)

125 I would love to see him call for excommunicating every Catholic who call for support for unlimited abortions.


Posted by: Vic at March 14, 2013 02:46 PM (53z96)


Vic! I mean Matt!

Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:46 PM (GQ8sn)

126 Source: NRO

Let me guess.

K-Lo?

Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 14, 2013 02:47 PM (kqqGm)

127 Also, the George Sr. comparison going around is a reference to Arrested Development actor Jeffrey Tambor.

I kind of see it in the old pics, but Pope Francis yesterday looked nothing like him

Posted by: The Q at March 14, 2013 02:47 PM (yVmMc)

128 We then proceeded to throw a Military Coup on the last day.... 2 teachers busted a gut.... others were 'not amused'....

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2013 02:45 PM (lZBBB)


That's awesome. Today they'd call the SWAT team down on you, throw your parents in jail and confiscate any guns they had.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 14, 2013 02:47 PM (da5Wo)

129 Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 14, 2013 02:40 PM (da5Wo)

It was in High School that I decided only to use my Great Powers for Good, not Evil.

I remember a "collective bargaining" exercise we did in my Economics class. We were divided into teams of negotiators- Management and Union. I was on the Union side.

So we sit down with this list of things we want- overtime by seniority, the Management Team (representing a City) couldn't subcontract work out from under us, etc.

So we sit down across the table and we start working on a deal. Everything the City wants I start amending slightly, and saying "and each instance has to be approved by the union." Poor schmoes didn't even get suspicious until the end, when I openly started laughing at them.

The teacher is reading the agreements we made and called ours out specifically as the Management Team essentially giving away the farm.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 14, 2013 02:47 PM (4OvDk)

130 #105, ec: you should see her do it in a "windshirt" (the tight zip up thingy).
*sigh*



Has she ever done any watersports? Any pics of her in a wetsuit?

Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:48 PM (GQ8sn)

131 So, is there antisocial justice?

Posted by: Craig Poe at March 14, 2013 02:48 PM (BVkEs)

132 Social justice is me hitting Kelly Preston.

Posted by: eleven at March 14, 2013 02:48 PM (KXm42)

133 Diocesans, Franciscans, Dominicans, Benedictines, Christian Brothers,Oratorians------all of you step aside. There is a new sheriff in town--and he's a Jesuit.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 14, 2013 02:48 PM (wbmaj)

134 I watched his first Mass with the Cardinals. He gave a sweet, simple homily delivered off the cuff, no notes. I like his style.

Posted by: L, elle at March 14, 2013 02:48 PM (0PiQ4)

135 I don't know about African cardinals and social "justice." I'm not Catholic, but in West Africa, we tend not to be into all that stuff. I would imagine African cardinals would be more concerned with preserving church doctrine than anything else.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 02:49 PM (6zgse)

136 Send me a wire in Latin when he re-instates the Xavier Jesuit rifle team. I'm a one-issue voter like you've never seen, and a member of the Saint Gabriel Possenti Society.

Posted by: comatus at March 14, 2013 02:49 PM (qaVK+)

137 Nick kristoff disappointed to learn that new pope prefers Catholicism to that of other churches and religions. Fears pope will show preferential treatment towards followers of catholic faith.

Posted by: Buzzion at March 14, 2013 02:49 PM (8WDas)

138 Ahhh, Natalie Gulbis. Do a google image search for about a weeks supply of "reading material"

I've posted some on the ONT from time to time.

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at March 14, 2013 02:49 PM (jIaZt)

139 Journalists are stupid. When will they stop sending
journalists who understand NOTHING about religion to cover it. See,
e.g., Sally Quinn, religious correspondent or whatever for the WaPo (or
some other birdcage lining).





Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 02:29 PM (6zgse)


They had to put Sally somewhere after she slept around with Ben Bradlee while he was still married to his second wife before he traded down for her, so why not give her something she knows nothing about and let her make a complete fool out of herself. The entire MFM has gone Al Roker in the White House in covering this new Pope process.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 14, 2013 02:50 PM (zHyAo)

140 Has she ever done any watersports?

Pervert.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 14, 2013 02:50 PM (8ZskC)

141 Social justice is the continuation of theft by other means.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 14, 2013 02:50 PM (Hx5uv)

142 "Social justice"? It means stealing from Peter to pay Paul while calling yourself a saint.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 14, 2013 02:50 PM (eHIJJ)

143 There is an excellent book on this called "
Blind Spot" by Paul Marshall about the fact that journalists just don't "get" religion:

http://www.amazon.com/Blind-Spot-When-Journalists-Religion/dp/B003JTHV3S

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 02:50 PM (g7q64)

144 Has she ever done any watersports?

Pervert.


Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 14, 2013 02:50 PM (8ZskC)

*points to ribbon with clusters on chest*

Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:50 PM (GQ8sn)

145 Yeah and the hawt babe has contracted malaria. Something that is damn near impossible to get rid of permanently.



And we had eliminated it in this country until we banned DDT for no reason and then opened the border to every third world shithead in the universe.

Posted by: Vic at March 14, 2013 02:51 PM (53z96)

146 The teacher is reading the agreements we made and
called ours out specifically as the Management Team essentially giving
away the farm.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 14, 2013 02:47 PM (4OvDk)


Lmao. The best part about making the idiot look like an idiot? She was all confident and thought she had our support. The previous bill/resolution offered up was one approving compulsory/mandatory voting. My friend and I destroyed that one. Then she stands up and says her blather. I asked to be recognized and she's standing there smiling, like I'm about to start tossing softballs to her.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 14, 2013 02:51 PM (da5Wo)

147
#138, That's it. Couldn't remember the spelling.
ec, sure, lot's o'pics, but I'm not sure Vic would approve
(kidding)

Posted by: Jess1 at March 14, 2013 02:51 PM (lbiWb)

148 Some reforms to the Roman Catholic mass would be welcome. Maybe some toppings for the wafers.

Posted by: Nick Kristoff at March 14, 2013 02:51 PM (8ZskC)

149 Social justice is to justice what military music is to music .

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 14, 2013 02:51 PM (Hx5uv)

150 And Erin Burnett is who again?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 14, 2013 02:52 PM (eHIJJ)

151 and compared that with similar acts performed by US teachers over the past two centuries, what one would find.

You'd discover that one set of victims received hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation -- nearly bankrupting borderline churches, shutting down of hospitals and schools, incurring massive debt -- while the other group got zero.

Posted by: Regular Moron at March 14, 2013 02:52 PM (feFL6)

152 heh:

@JonahNRO

Hey come look for me at CPAC, I'm the tall heavy set white guy in his 40s. Can't miss me!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 14, 2013 02:52 PM (UCv7P)

153 >>>Has she ever done any watersports?

Yes, please do tell.

Posted by: awol Ukrainian dolphin at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (rdy8w)

154 Better angle

https://sites.google.com/site/genriettasoldo/armagedon/Natalie-Gulbis.jpg

Posted by: Vic at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (53z96)

155 149 Social justice is to justice what military music is to music .


Posted by: WalrusRex at March 14, 2013 02:51 PM (Hx5uv)


Really?

Posted by: John Phillip Souza at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (lZBBB)

156 "Social justice"? It means stealing from Peter to pay Paul while calling yourself a saint.

***

While skimming a little cream off the top for yourself.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (Hx5uv)

157 social justice is just stealing

Posted by: joeindc44 says God bless Francis I at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (QxSug)

158 88----".... the Catholic Church....really needs to return to the term 'Christian Charity.'
Social Justice implies the weight of (secular) law."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 14, 2013 02:41 PM (4OvDk)
----------------------------
BINGO!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (C8mVl)

159 Thank you Rachel Carson for banning DDT. You have killed millions and injured millions more. And there is an episode of Cartoon Network's show Johnny Test where Rachel Carson is called a scientist in the same breath as Marie Curie. *thud*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (X81fn)

160 Our teacher was sitting in the audience laughing and giving us the thumbs up. Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 14, 2013 02:33 PM (da5Wo)

It must have been junior year of high school we did something similar in my US history class. I can't remember all the details, but some of us were supposed to be members of a panel of 19th century individuals -- just average folks, like you'd get at a town meeting -- and the rest of the class were supposed to be other townsfolk. Each of us on the panel (I was one of them) had a character assigned to us; I got to be a teetotaler mother of three. Pretty cool.

I can't remember how the conversation got where it did, but at one point one of the "townsfolk" asked why our girls couldn't wear pants to school like the boys. The others on the panel gave typical answers for their characters -- the politician hedged, the sheriff muttered about law and order, blah, blah -- so when it got to me I was all excited. "They don't wear pants because you can see the V of their legs and its unacceptable."

"But why? If boys can wear pants, why can't the girls?"

"I told you why!"

"But shouldn't girls be able-"

"No, it's OBSCENE!"

The questioner just ended up blinking at me and then sitting down, since my teetotaler mother of three was clearly not goign to change her mind. The teacher gave me a thumbs up and chuckled out a, "Very nice, Melissa."

I like to think I was giving my classmate a crash course in what it's like to talk to a regressive. They'll never listen to you, no matter what you say, so the best you can do is try to get around them and ambush them when they're not paying attention.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (4df7R)

161

the phrase 'social justice' is campus claptrap

they co-opted the Church's dogma on charity and fairness and applied it to government

that's all it is

Posted by: soothsayer at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (vyPsz)

162 Amazing pictures:

@jeffemanuel
Wow | What a difference 8 years makes: St. Peter's Square in 2005 and yesterday http://on.fb.me/XaJXvy

Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (5H6zj)

163 Fortunately for Erin I'm easily persuadable. Can we have sex now?

Posted by: Uncle Joe Biden at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (+GpbP)

164 Social justice is to justice what military music is to music .

Hey, I like a good marching band. Texas A&M Corps of Cadets, Fightin' Aggie Band, Marine Corps band- nothing like some good martial music played by a group that understands it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (4OvDk)

165 Cardinal George has been especially bad in regard to Pfather Pflegm. Suspend, don't suspend, kiss his ass and give him awards for his disgusting racial rhetoric. Just the same, he's probably not a Vatican priority.

Posted by: ejo at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (GXvSO)

166 Ahhh, Natalie Gulbis. Do a google image search for about a weeks supply of "reading material" I've posted some on the ONT from time to time.

Got some use out of those.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (CJjw5)

167 Natalie Gulbis SI Swimsuit Edition body paint....



http://tinyurl.com/b2a859q



http://tinyurl.com/ae3s7er

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 14, 2013 02:54 PM (da5Wo)

168 Better angle

https://sites.google.com/site/genriettasoldo/armagedon/Natalie-Gulbis.jpg


Posted by: Vic at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (53z96)


*double take*
Oh my god!!!

Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:54 PM (GQ8sn)

169 >>>We then proceeded to throw a Military Coup on the last day.... 2 teachers busted a gut.... others were 'not amused'....

My teacher did a "living under a totalitarian regime" practical exercise for two weeks where she was dictator and had a small group of the class watch and report any illicit activities of the rest of the class.

I successfully staged an Operation Valkyrie.

Good humor she had. Not the first revolutionary was I; others had, had various resistance movements in some of the years past. Got a candy bar and an "A" for the unit out of it. For that year though, I was the only one who had the bright idea to resist. Scary.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 14, 2013 02:54 PM (0q2P7)

170 "If you adopt my politics, you'll become more popular, Serious You Guys."

Is this sort of like, "If you agree more with the Democrats you'll be more popular, Serious You Guys"?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 14, 2013 02:54 PM (4df7R)

171 And we had eliminated it in this country until we banned DDT for no reason and then opened the border to every third world shithead in the universe.
Posted by: Vic at March 14, 2013 02:51 PM (53z96)

Hey!

Anyway, I've had malaria several times. Growing up, we viewed it kind of like the flu, at least where I grew up. We thought my dad was weird because he hadn't had it for over 20 years.

I remember the first time I heard someone died of malaria when I was a teenager. I was shocked.

But then my friend from Southern Africa told me that it kills people like flies down there.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 02:54 PM (6zgse)

172 @150 AnonymousDrivel

Erin Burnett is the nice young lady who just the other day asked Laura Bush if the US could pretty-please be OK with endorsing anti-Semitism for the greater good of empowering women.

Posted by: RamonAllones at March 14, 2013 02:54 PM (3lLli)

173 I was listening to the ABC feed at work yesterday. Before they announced the name of the Pope, some bimbo reporter said the new Pope needs to reach out to the muslim community.

I wanted to reach into the computer and slap the shit out of her.

Posted by: cicero skip at March 14, 2013 02:55 PM (3m9Uc)

174
Vic,
That's her signature, er, pose. I've seen it live, and yes, it is spectacular.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 14, 2013 02:55 PM (lbiWb)

175 sure, lot's o'pics, but I'm not sure Vic would approve
(kidding)

Posted by: Jess1 at March 14, 2013 02:51 PM (lbiWb)

I don't care, but depending on what you post ace might.

Posted by: Vic at March 14, 2013 02:55 PM (53z96)

176 Since Ratzinger announced his retirement, the only people in my personal network who followed the new pope selection assiduously were the fervent anti-Catholics or anti-religionists.

I don't understand the intense interest from the non Catholics, since most of the world hates us anyway. I said this to BF, he got defensive. Catholics are used to the papal succession thing, one pope dies, another one is elected. It's happened since the time of St. Peter.

The only thing I can conclude is that despite all their (MFM) protestations to the contrary, the Roman Church is still relevant. Otherwise, why all the attention and...concern from commie media?

Posted by: kallisto at March 14, 2013 02:55 PM (jm/9g)

177 And the Morons have staged a Boobeh Coup on the Papal thread.... it figures.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 02:55 PM (X81fn)

178 2 I think the New Pope looks remarkably like actor Jonathan Pryce (the Villain from Tomorrow Never Dies).

----------

Also Sam Lowry from Brazil.

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at March 14, 2013 02:56 PM (NmR1a)

179 Okay, the first two lines at the link Ace updated made me lose my professional demeanor at work.

"Yesterday, Erin Burnett gave her thoughts on the state of the Catholic Church and the new Pope. Erin Burnett is a CNN anchor who is lucky enough to not be ethnic-looking"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 14, 2013 02:56 PM (CJjw5)

180 The Anglicans have popularized themselves to near extinction.

Posted by: waldo truth at March 14, 2013 02:57 PM (3VhRQ)

181
In other words, the Left brilliantly used the West's Christian values against them.

They hit us with 'social justice' and dared us to be against it. Who wants to be against justice for all? No one.

And then they used 'social justice' to gain political power. And today we're being beat over the head with all kinds of government-imposed 'social justice' that cannot be opposed.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 14, 2013 02:57 PM (8dspl)

182 Taggart: I got it! I know how we can run everyone out of Rock Ridge.

Nicholas Kristoff: How?

Taggart: We'll kill the first born male child in every household!

Nicholas Kristoff: Hmmmmmm... Too Jewish.

Posted by: Nick Kristoff at March 14, 2013 02:57 PM (WCe8r)

183 It won't matter at all to the media how much Francis loves the poor. All they care about is sex and the need for the Church to rewrite teaching on sexuality. I watched Piers Morgan last night for the first time. He actually had a decent slate of guests. All he kept asking each of them is if Francis was going to allow condom use.

Posted by: L, elle at March 14, 2013 02:57 PM (0PiQ4)

184 But then my friend from Southern Africa told me that it kills people like flies down there.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 02:54 PM (6zgse)

Once you get it it reflashes even after you get over it. We really really do need to bring back DDT. And dig up the rotting corpse of Ruckelshausand burn it.

Posted by: Vic at March 14, 2013 02:58 PM (53z96)

185 @180. Maybe in the US and UK, but the Anglican church is still pretty big in other parts of the world where they're not concerned about "diversity."

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 02:58 PM (6zgse)

186 I don't get "social justice". No one ever defines that term.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 14, 2013 02:32 PM (T0NGe)


Social justice is code for accepting, no, celebrating, stuff so nasty it would knock a vulture off a gut wagon.


Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at March 14, 2013 02:58 PM (kXoT0)

187 The Anglicans have popularized themselves to near extinction.

Yeah. Idiots.

Wait, what?

Posted by: The Universalist Unitarian Church at March 14, 2013 02:58 PM (8ZskC)

188 Oh my stars and garters, it's almost as if, brace yourself, the Catholic Church does not give a single solitary fuck what the NYT thinks it should do. Can you imagine such a world?


I guess it's just a glitch in my programming makeup but I don't get all the butthurt at the head of the Catholic church being, let's see, Catholic. Here's the deal, if you don't like Catholic dogma then don't be Catholic! See how easy that is?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 14, 2013 02:58 PM (VtjlW)

189 The Pope is Catholic, and Pop Tart guns are not terroristic threats. Anything else the Horde needs to elucidate for Kristoff today?

Posted by: no good deed at March 14, 2013 02:58 PM (mjR67)

190 And the Morons have staged a Boobeh Coup on the Papal thread.... it figures.


God (hopefully) has blessed Ms Gulbis with those beauties himself and they need to be recognized. Maybe NewPope can work it into his next homily.

Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:58 PM (GQ8sn)

191 "social justice is just stealing"

i know it's been co-opted but i don't think you gotta be a raging Marxist to view Latin American-style stratification as problematic.

not that i have a genius solution for it besides, errr, grow the economy more

Posted by: JDP at March 14, 2013 02:58 PM (60GaT)

192 What, you mean the Catholic Church doesn't exist to validate my life choices?
H8ters!!!

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at March 14, 2013 02:59 PM (0/zfR)

193 Also Sam Lowry from Brazil.

***

Also Elizabeth Swann's dad, the governor, in Pirates of the Caribbean.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 14, 2013 02:59 PM (Hx5uv)

194 You'd discover that one set of victims received hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation -- nearly bankrupting borderline churches, shutting down of hospitals and schools, incurring massive debt -- while the other group got zero.
Posted by: Regular Moron at March 14, 2013 02:52 PM (feFL6)


And in the instances where the children abused were boys being abused by female teachers, you probably also get a, "What're they complaining about? I wish that'd been MY teacher. *wink wink, nudge nudge*"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 14, 2013 02:59 PM (4df7R)

195
"And the Morons have staged a Boobeh Coup on the Papal thread.... it figures"
Bursting with pride, I am, while looking up to ec Vic.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 14, 2013 02:59 PM (lbiWb)

196 So I hear that the Pope is Catholic.

Posted by: bear what shits in the woods at March 14, 2013 02:59 PM (Pudty)

197 i know it's been co-opted but i don't think you gotta be a raging
Marxist to view Latin American-style stratification as problematic.

not that i have a genius solution for it besides, errr, grow the economy more

***

Grow the economy more and eliminate the corruption.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 14, 2013 02:59 PM (Hx5uv)

198 Then it really needs to return to the term "Christian Charity." Social Justice implies the weight of (secular) law. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 14, 2013 02:41 PM (4OvDk)

No, it doesn't need to change the term. The left needs to quite twisting it into a pretzel.

However, I won't be holding my breath. Denial of reality is a fundamental tenet of liberalism.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 02:59 PM (sbV1u)

199 159
Thank you Rachel Carson for banning DDT. You have killed millions and
injured millions more. And there is an episode of Cartoon Network's show
Johnny Test where Rachel Carson is called a scientist in the same
breath as Marie Curie. *thud*


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM

Rachel Corrie is called a freedom fighter in the same breath as Martin Luther King. MLK however stopped buses with boycotts, didn't try to stop one with his face

What is it about the name Rachel that turns the person into a batshit leftist

Posted by: kbdabear at March 14, 2013 02:59 PM (mCvL4)

200 AlextheChick, that makes sense doesn't it. Don't like it find somewhere else. But remember these are the same folk who kept promising to leave the US if Bush got a second term. Well he got that second term and they still stayed.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 03:00 PM (X81fn)

201 #193, That is Jonathon Pryce...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at March 14, 2013 03:00 PM (9+ccr)

202 173 I was listening to the ABC feed at work yesterday. Before they announced the name of the Pope, some bimbo reporter said the new Pope needs to reach out to the muslim community.

I wanted to reach into the computer and slap the shit out of her.


Posted by: cicero skip at March 14, 2013 02:55 PM (3m9Uc)

Yes... Moslem outreach.... we know how to do that....

Posted by: Godfrey, King of Jeruselum at March 14, 2013 03:00 PM (lZBBB)

203 Social Justice = Social Engineering using someone else's money (preferably people who would never support your actions)

Posted by: Lizzy at March 14, 2013 03:00 PM (0/zfR)

204 What is it about the name Rachel that turns the person into a batshit leftist

Beats the hell out of me.

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at March 14, 2013 03:00 PM (8ZskC)

205 "ec and Vic". Tablet not working with me...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 14, 2013 03:00 PM (lbiWb)

206 they wanted another John XXIII; they got another John Paul II. They're like the Politburo watching a Polish pope being chosen 45 years ago


pissed, they are. The media are the front for the Cult of Politics, discussing the leader of one of their primary rivals.

Posted by: e e cummings at March 14, 2013 03:01 PM (Dll6b)

207 i know it's been co-opted but i don't think you gotta be a raging Marxist to view Latin American-style stratification as problematic.

Exactly the opposite, in point of fact. You kind of have to be a Marxist to view it as anything other than a problem.

South America's problem (those countries that have these problems, at least- not all of them do) is one of a lack of liberty and too much redistribution.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 14, 2013 03:01 PM (4OvDk)

208 The Anglicans have popularized themselves to near extinction.

***

I did not know the Republican establishment were Anglican.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 14, 2013 03:01 PM (Hx5uv)

209 Better angle

https://sites.google.com/site/genriettasoldo/armagedon/Natalie-Gulbis.jpg




Posted by: Vic at March 14, 2013 02:53 PM (53z96)

*double take*
Oh my god!!!


Them things gonna 'splode.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 14, 2013 03:01 PM (kqqGm)

210
Social Justice = Forced Charity.

Social Justice is taking from others...by force...and giving to the 'more deserving'.
It requires the politics of Envy to justify it.

The Church should not be in the business of promoting Envy.

Posted by: wheatie at March 14, 2013 03:01 PM (2xMNt)

211 Pope Francis: "Non magis politica rectitudo!"

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 14, 2013 03:01 PM (wbmaj)

212 I hope the new Pope does some old world smiting of the Pelosis of the World...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at March 14, 2013 03:01 PM (9+ccr)

213 Here's the deal, if you don't like Catholic dogma then don't be Catholic! See how easy that is? Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 14, 2013 02:58 PM (VtjlW)

But then we'll have nothing to pointlessly rant about!!!!1!!!!eleventy!!1!

Posted by: Typical In-Need-of-Psychotropic-Meds Leftard at March 14, 2013 03:01 PM (sbV1u)

214 atc: No that isn't enough. Every institution on earth must conform uniformly to their every whim (whatever those may be at the moment). How's that for diversity?

Oh, and I am interested in seeing what will happen when the totalitarian wannabes start including NAMBLA and general pedophile rights in their platform.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:02 PM (6zgse)

215 I don't get "social justice". No one ever defines that term.

Best defined by exemplary contrast.

Lawful justice is what will happen when, belatedly, and for a second time, George Zimmerman is allowed release/relief from a murder charge.

If when people first heard about him on the news and they thought he was some Florida Jew like my grandma, a black mob conjured by false reporting and incited by the president (and other white assholes) had murdered him and dragged his crushed Jew corpse around on TV--that would have been social justice, a justice premised on other than the facts of any specific case.

Unmodified capital-j Justice would be if everyone who tried so fucking hard to get Zimmerman murdered and/or railroaded were themselves murdered and/or railroaded. On TV. By people who won't stand for that kind of evil shit.

But Justice is not for this world.

Posted by: oblig. is not a Catholic at March 14, 2013 03:02 PM (cePv8)

216 One of them said that the church would expand further (or something like that) if they accepted homosexuality, contraception, etc. I guess the mainline protestant churches growing like no man's business.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 02:41 PM (6zgse)


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You're right. Many protestant churches have given up on the Bible and instead read from the likes of Galil Gabran or the Communist Manifesto. Unfortunately, many Catholic churches do this also, but not on the scale of the so-called "free will" churches.

If I were to ever return to religion, I think I would become a Catholic. Except I would have go get over the disbelief that I had to have an intermediary (the Pope) to talk to God.

Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:02 PM (Nm/Lp)

217 Social justice = White devils are guilty

Posted by: Craig Poe at March 14, 2013 03:02 PM (BVkEs)

218 New CPAC

Posted by: Vic at March 14, 2013 03:03 PM (53z96)

219 God (hopefully) has blessed Ms Gulbis with those beauties himself and they need to be recognized.

*Buffs nails*

Posted by: God at March 14, 2013 03:03 PM (BrQrN)

220 The Pope is Catholic, and Pop Tart guns are not terroristic threats. Anything else the Horde needs to elucidate for Kristoff today?
Posted by: no good deed at March 14, 2013 02:58 PM (mjR67)



I made him new flashcards to help with his breathing.


They've got glitter and everything.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 14, 2013 03:03 PM (VtjlW)

221
190
And the Morons have staged a Boobeh Coup on the Papal thread.... it figures.

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God
(hopefully) has blessed Ms Gulbis with those beauties himself and they
need to be recognized. Maybe NewPope can work it into his next homily.


Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 02:58 PM (GQ8sn)


I appreciate all of God's creations. Just some more than others.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 14, 2013 03:03 PM (da5Wo)

222
Beats the hell out of me. Posted by: Rachel Maddow
What?

Posted by: Rachel Corrie at March 14, 2013 03:03 PM (lbiWb)

223
@149Social justice is to justice what military music is to music .
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I heard a story once involving music and a game of 15mm Napoleonic Wargaming (using the Napoleon's Battles rules, for the curious). Both players deployed their army, and the player running the French put an odd collection of figures off on one side of the table.

"That's the military marching band," he explained.

Then, after the game started, he turned some pre-recorded music on. That was the band playing. And he had the band march up along the table edge.

Apparently round about turn two or three, every single Coalition cannon on that side of the table swiveled to face the band, and opened fire.


Posted by: junior at March 14, 2013 03:04 PM (UWFpX)

224 >>Here's the deal, if you don't like Catholic dogma then don't be Catholic!

But special snowflakes shouldn't have to change. The world is supposed to change around them.

Plus they don't actually want to get up early on Sunday morning.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 14, 2013 03:04 PM (SUKHu)

225 Anna- I'm not doubting (necessarily) that the Pope means "Christian Charity" when he says "Social Justice," but we had a perfectly good term that means "The proper love and kindness toward all men, especially the lowest in station, such that we are moved to assist them in any way we feasibly can." It was "Christian Charity."

"Social Justice" (as I said before) implies the weight of secular government. It is "unjust" that you have more than your impoverished neighbor- no matter the reason- and you must therefore be forced to give up some of your wealth to make things more equitable.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 14, 2013 03:04 PM (4OvDk)

226 New CPAC

I'm banned. They banned me.

Posted by: eleven at March 14, 2013 03:04 PM (KXm42)

227 i'm wondering if this "Begroglio was too nice with the military junta" is gonna become the new "Ratzinger was a Nazi" charge

if only he'd been a liberation theologian priest trying to help Communists take over the country. then he'd be a Hero and a True Catholic

Posted by: JDP at March 14, 2013 03:04 PM (60GaT)

228 I'm sure many of these same people have asked Muslim clerics and representatives about plans for outreach to Christians. (The kind that doesn't involve beheading or setting them on fire.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:04 PM (6zgse)

229 We should concern-troll the leftists right back.

"Regrettably, is not liberal enough when it comes to the rights of homosexuals (to live)." Maybe a wedge issue?

"What a sad commentary that isn't a true liberal on the second amendment." Watch them stutter through a discussion of classical liberalism vs. liberal fascism.

"It's unfortunate that is too liberal for 48% of the population. He'd sure be more popular if he moved even a little to the right... like Clinton." Say this one three times, and Billy Jeff himself will appear out of thin air to agree with you.

Granted, a fair public hearing of these points may require a non-corrupt media, so there's that.

Posted by: Dante at March 14, 2013 03:04 PM (NWLVJ)

230 The interest of non Catholic Christians, at least, in the selection is the Pope is that (for other conservative Christians of good will anyway) we care about what happens in the RCC. We also know that as things proceed apace here under Obama the RCC is the canary in the coal mine. Believers in religious liberty and in the Lordship of Jesus Christ cross denominational barriers. A number of us also have a lot of appreciation for RC writers and thinkers. For instance. my handle is "Fenelon" for Francis Fenelon because I love his writings but I am not a Catholic. Same for my love for St. Therese of Avila. St John of the Cross and many others.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 03:04 PM (g7q64)

231 MSM heartbroken that Pope Francis believes in social justice but doesn't know the works of Karl Marx and the words to "Hava Nagila"

Posted by: kbdabear at March 14, 2013 03:04 PM (mCvL4)

232 Here's the deal, if you don't like Catholic dogma then don't be Catholic! See how easy that is?


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 14, 2013 02:58 PM (VtjlW)


But they actualy TEACH this stuff.... and its our job to indoctrinate... I mean Teach, the youth of today!

Posted by: California Teachers Union at March 14, 2013 03:05 PM (lZBBB)

233 Soona, there are lots of Protestant denominations that are in no danger of giving up the Bible and its teachings any time soon. You're welcome to join us.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:05 PM (6zgse)

234 113----" I wonder if one added up the acts of child molestation committed by Catholic priests over two millennia divided by the total number of priests... and compared that with similar acts performed by US teachers over the past two centuries, what one would find."
Posted by: Y-not at March 14, 2013 02:45 PM (5H6zj)
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I don't know about super-long term studies but there is already plenty of data for comparison. According to actuarial studies, the number of abuse cases in the Catholic Church is pretty much the same as in Protestant congregations and waaaay lower than in public schools or even secular private schools.

This excuses nothing, mind you, but it is useful to know. The MSM, needless to say, will never examine the realities. They will not, for example, point out that most of the cases occurred during the liberal period in the American Church when openly homosexual men were often accepted into the priesthood.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 14, 2013 03:06 PM (C8mVl)

235
#228,
That's funny right there. (you were kidding, right?)

Posted by: Jess1 at March 14, 2013 03:06 PM (lbiWb)

236 The Pope's social justice is distinct from the Marxist crap, and is based around the concept of the Catholic community, the organization and the laity, doing charitable work. Very little on the role of government, he has not been a patsy for the current Argentine leftists.

Posted by: Jean at March 14, 2013 03:06 PM (S4AQU)

237 229 The arrow brackets deleted some material:
______
We should concern-troll the leftists right back.

"Regrettably, (insert name of prominent muslim) is not liberal enough when it comes to the rights of homosexuals (to live)." Maybe a wedge issue?

"What a sad commentary that (insert name of leftist gun grabber) isn't a true liberal on the second amendment." Watch them stutter through a discussion of classical liberalism vs. liberal fascism.

"It's unfortunate that (insert name of inept US prezzy) is too liberal for 48% of the population. He'd sure be more popular if he moved even a little to the right... like Clinton." Say this one three times, and Billy Jeff himself will appear out of thin air to agree with you.

Granted, a fair public hearing of these points may require a non-corrupt media, so there's that.

Posted by: Dante at March 14, 2013 03:06 PM (NWLVJ)

238 the pope is not an intermediary you have to go through

at least i don't think so. i'm a bad Catholic

Posted by: JDP at March 14, 2013 03:07 PM (60GaT)

239 Social Justice is taking from others...by force...and giving to the 'more deserving'. It requires the politics of Envy to justify it. The Church should not be in the business of promoting Envy. Posted by: wheatie at March 14, 2013 03:01 PM (2xMNt)

Ugh. Not again. Yes, that is the way it works in practice.

No, that's not the way the Church means for it to work.

Here's the definition - Catholic Church style: "The virtue that inclines one to co-operate with others in order to help make the institutions of society better serve the common good. While the obligation of social justice falls upon the individual, that person cannot fulfill the obligation alone, but must work in concert with others, through organized bodies, as a member of a group whose purpose is to identify the needs of society, and, by the use of appropriate means, to meet these needs locally, regionally, nationally, and even globally. Implicit in the virtue of social justice is an awareness that the world has entered on a new phase of social existence, with potential for great good or great harm vested in those who control the media and the structures of modern society. Christians, therefore, are expected to respond to the new obligations created by the extraordinary means of promoting the common good not only of small groups but literally of all humanity."

This DOES NOT MEAN "let the government do it." The reason it does NOT mean "let the government do it" is the principle of subsidiarity which requires the problem be addressed at the lowest level capable of handing it.

This concludes today's lesson in Catholic theology.

Posted by: Typical In-Need-of-Psychotropic-Meds Leftard at March 14, 2013 03:07 PM (sbV1u)

240 If these people want to take on Francis the Jesuit, - one of God's Marines, - they better be packing a fucking lunch.

Posted by: Fritz at March 14, 2013 03:07 PM (WM+rJ)

241 This is one of those moments when, again, I look back at the British comedy "Yes, Prime Minister" and marvel at how it echoes through modern history. With variations, of course.

The Brits political class is intertwined with their state religion, and they had an episode with the PM selecting one of a few candidates for a Bishop. It involved backroom deals, Marxists, irreligious religious people, and a CofE priestperson who knew more about the Koran than the Bible.

Obviously the plot is not the same, but so many of the details re-hashed in the MFM...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at March 14, 2013 03:07 PM (bxiXv)

242 / be gone liberal sock

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:07 PM (sbV1u)

243 >>>Maybe NewPope can work it into his next homily.

And may the Lord Bless the makers of Miss Gulbis' tops, for truly they are doing inspirational work...

... though she is a bit of a buterface. (hey I'm the Pope, I have to be honest.)

Posted by: Pope Francis at March 14, 2013 03:07 PM (rdy8w)

244 235
#228,
That's funny right there. (you were kidding, right?)
Posted by: Jess1 at March 14, 2013 03:06 PM (lbiWb)

Forgot to add the sarc tag. I thought it was obvious.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:08 PM (6zgse)

245 Meanwhile a pastor of a Baptist mega-church in Indiana apparently told a 17 year old girl that Jesus wanted her to have sex with him.

http://tinyurl.com/behpuas

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 03:08 PM (X81fn)

246 Posted by: junior at March 14, 2013 03:04 PM (UWFpX)

Loved my 15mm Austrians... but we mainly played 'Houserules Napoleonics'.... had a great tactical feel to it....

and they really hated it when I played the Brits... I'd start singing the Song from 'Sharpes Rifles' LOL

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2013 03:08 PM (lZBBB)

247
#243,
er, really? I hadn't noticed.
(badumdum)

Posted by: Jess1 at March 14, 2013 03:09 PM (lbiWb)

248 #RealReporters NYT, Boston Globe, and WaPo All Rush to Promote Pope's Twitter Feed... except it's a parody feed.

MSM breathlessly reports that Pope Francis used to be a French model

Posted by: kbdabear at March 14, 2013 03:09 PM (mCvL4)

249 My minister told me about 15 years ago that reporters never understand religion because most of them don't "get it". This was said while the editor of the local rag was a member of the church, and no, he and his wife didn't "get it".

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, the poster formerly known as MrCaniac at March 14, 2013 03:09 PM (Zd/NW)

250 That new Pope is a Wacko Bird

Posted by: Sen John McCain (R-The Villages) at March 14, 2013 03:11 PM (mCvL4)

251 Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, the poster formerly known as MrCaniac at March 14, 2013 03:09 PM (Zd/NW)

Yeah... when you worship the State... it hard to understand other religions.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 14, 2013 03:11 PM (lZBBB)

252 the principle of subsidiarity

It worked so well when I brought it up.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at March 14, 2013 03:11 PM (mjR67)

253 Re: Vic's link to the pic of the golf chick. I took a look. It's so funny how easily guys get "amused." Heh.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:11 PM (6zgse)

254 It's not even 24 hours and aol news is linking to this huff poo poo article:

"Pope Francis Kidnapping Controversy: Jorge Mario Bergoglio Accused Of Involvement In 1976 Abductions"
http://tinyurl.com/ayy5th8

Are the Jesuits not happy about the choice of one of their own?

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:12 PM (/b8+5)

255
and they really hated it when I played the Brits... I'd start singing the Song from 'Sharpes Rifles' LOL
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Hah. That's great.

Posted by: junior at March 14, 2013 03:12 PM (UWFpX)

256 If I were to ever return to religion, I think I would become a Catholic. Except I would have go get over the disbelief that I had to have an intermediary (the Pope) to talk to God. Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:02 PM (Nm/Lp)

I loves ya like a brother Soona, but that's not what the doctrine is.

Not even close.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:12 PM (sbV1u)

257 In other words, the Left brilliantly used the West's Christian values against them. They hit us with 'social justice' and dared us to be against it. Who wants to be against justice for all? No one. And then they used 'social justice' to gain political power. And today we're being beat over the head with all kinds of government-imposed 'social justice' that cannot be opposed.
Posted by: soothsayer at March 14, 2013 02:57 PM (8dspl)


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Whenever a little leftist shitweasel trys to corner me with this, I tell them that I think social justice is a marxist evil. Then I tell them that I'm a big fan of "equal justice". Tends to shut them up.

I personally think many of the LIV tards are confusing terms.

Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:12 PM (Nm/Lp)

258 Yep; The liberals can't bear any religion that questions and critiques their own dogma.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 03:13 PM (g7q64)

259 Morons typical exultation when it comes to boobehs, "Thanks for the mammaries."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 03:13 PM (X81fn)

260 It worked so well when I brought it up. Posted by: Paul Ryan at March 14, 2013 03:11 PM (mjR67)

It didn't work when you brought it up because the media cannot handle any word of more than 2 syllables.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:13 PM (sbV1u)

261 Yes, that will be the new "Pope Benedict was a nazi" meme; "New Pope supported the junta" But be of good cheer. ANYONE picked out as Pope would have been viciously attacked.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 03:14 PM (g7q64)

262 If the Libs are so dissatisfied with the Catholic Church, maybe they should start their own religion, and base it in Jonestown. Problem solved!

Posted by: 757jetflier at March 14, 2013 03:14 PM (2WENO)

263 Yeah, I was going to point out that I didn't think that was part of Catholic doctrine.

But you guys do tend to pray to/through(?) intermediaries (saints). Very, very different from Protestant practice.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:15 PM (6zgse)

264 216 ---" I would have go get over the disbelief that I had to have an intermediary (the Pope) to talk to God."

Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:02 PM (Nm/Lp)
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Er, no. The Catholic Church does NOT teach that.

We actually pray and talk to God all on our own and have done so for 2 millenia!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 14, 2013 03:15 PM (C8mVl)

265 MSM breathlessly reports that Pope Francis used to be a French model
Posted by: kbdabear at March 14, 2013 03:09 PM (mCvL4)


"Bonjorr."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 14, 2013 03:15 PM (4df7R)

266 I am amazed. It has been 24 hours and James Carroll has not published anything attacking the new Pope yet.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 03:15 PM (X81fn)

267 254 like i said...the new "Ratzinger was a Nazi" meme

you just know that if there actually was a pope who gave liberals everything they wanted they'd be giving something like this a bunch of context, "it's complicated." but he's Bad, and Bad people don't get context.

also lol'd at AP using the vague term "activists" for a country that had violent Peronist and Marxist guerrillas in that era

Posted by: JDP at March 14, 2013 03:15 PM (60GaT)

268 Or ask the intermediaries to pray for you.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:16 PM (6zgse)

269 And may the Lord Bless the makers of Miss Gulbis' tops, for truly they are doing inspirational work...


May the Lord keep her, and bless her. Amen!

Posted by: EC at March 14, 2013 03:16 PM (GQ8sn)

270 The Pope is infallible in matters of faith. He's there to guide the Church as a whole. He's not an intermediary between anyone and God. You talk to God directly.

He can hear confessions just like any other priest. You are probably confusing Confession with just regular prayer and faith.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:16 PM (/b8+5)

271 But you guys do tend to pray to/through(?) intermediaries (saints). Very, very different from Protestant practice. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:15 PM (6zgse)

No, that's an imperfect analogy at best. That's not really what's going on. But if you believe all mankind is your brother, and should be treated that way, then it's not too far a stretch to talk to Mary and say, "Hey, can you put in a good word for me with your Son?"

I swear, I'm going to start "Theology on Tap" on the weekend threads. We'll all sit around, get drunk and talk about God.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:17 PM (sbV1u)

272
I personally think many of the LIV tards are confusing terms.
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Not really. The issue is that the terms are intentionally confused and twisted by the LIVs'would-be masters. It's kind of like how the most repressive countries in the world all tend to have either the word "People's" or "Democratic" in their names.
The problem is so wide-spread that even TV Tropes has a page entry on the country name thing.

In short, the other side is intentionally confusing things as much as possible by co-opting words and phrases to mean things that the words and phrases have no business describing. Kind of like how the word "gay" meant something completely different back in the '60s.

Posted by: junior at March 14, 2013 03:18 PM (UWFpX)

273 *pauses as a thought smites* Joe Biden has probably confused Communion with Communism. For decades he has thought he has been eating the body and blood of Trotsky...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 03:18 PM (X81fn)

274 I was thinking last night that perhaps this event will cause people to have a second think about turning away from decline. It's not just the US. The whole world has gone crazy. The Prince of this World has been very busy, and evil is on the rise. Maybe this new Pope will make a difference, like John Paul did back in the 80's. Maybe this is the start of a new era.
People always go astray, and then God sends a wake-up call. I am not a Catholic, but I certainly agree with his stance on Sin. I am agin it.

Posted by: ALH at March 14, 2013 03:18 PM (yAPdC)

275 i don't think you gotta be a raging Marxist to view Latin American-style stratification as problematic.not that i have a genius solution for it besides, errr, grow the economy more
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The germ of the problem is the restrictions on land ownership. The entire continent is still run like a colony.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 14, 2013 03:20 PM (NJs1e)

276 Sean, depends upon the beer. And the brautwurst.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 03:20 PM (X81fn)

277 I loves ya like a brother Soona, but that's not what the doctrine is.Not even close.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:12 PM (sbV1u)


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So what is the purpose of having a Pope? Not being sarcastic.

Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:20 PM (Nm/Lp)

278 Sean Bannion, that's the way I understand it. It still seems like they're intermediaries to me.

Protestants (the non-atheistic ones that actually believe the Bible) pray to God through Jesus Christ only. And if we ask anyone else to pray for us, it's a living brother or sister in Christ. We believe (at least in theory) that we all have equal access to God.

But yeah, a theological thread would be great. There's lots about Catholic theology I don't understand and am curious about.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:20 PM (6zgse)

279 Prayer is the lifting up of your mind and heart to God.

When you pray to the Blessed Mother or one of the Saints you are asking them to intercede with God on your behalf.

You're talking to them and saying "hey can you put in a good word for me?"

With St. Anthony you can say "tony, tony come around something's lost and can't be found" when you lose something and you'll immediately find it.

And if your a single female you can pray to St. Anne, the Blessed Mother's mother and say "St. Anne, send me a man".

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:21 PM (/b8+5)

280 By the way, I didn't mean to imply that RCs are atheists that don't believe the Bible. I was attempting to distinguish between Protestant types.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:21 PM (6zgse)

281
So what is the purpose of having a Pope? Not being sarcastic.
Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:20 PM (Nm/Lp)

To preside over the church and interpret matters of faith.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:22 PM (/b8+5)

282 We'll all sit around, get drunk and talk about God.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:17 PM (sbV1u)


Knights of Columbus except, we talk about God, too.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 14, 2013 03:22 PM (yLuBK)

283 >>>Except I would have go get over the disbelief that I had to have an intermediary (the Pope) to talk to God

Common misconception. Catholics don't actually believe this.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 14, 2013 03:23 PM (uvjrz)

284 Soona, the Pope is akin to a judicial supreme court. When there is a doctrinal problem that can't be sorted out at lower levels its passed on to the Pope for a decision. And what the Pope decides is the final answer.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 03:23 PM (X81fn)

285 Some Protestants may not get drunk, but we'll be glad to talk.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:24 PM (6zgse)

286
@274 People always go astray, and then God sends a wake-up call.
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I think he already is. Notice how screwed up the world in general is right now with the depression, and how things seem to be getting more and more so? But I don't think enough people are paying attention.

Posted by: junior at March 14, 2013 03:24 PM (UWFpX)

287 Oneof my (very liberal, non-religious) coworkers on the phone with her mom yesterday afternoon:
"Didja hear there's a new pope? Yeah, he's anti-gay marriage."
What the hell do these people think he's going to be?? I mean, he's the friggin' pope!

Posted by: shinypie at March 14, 2013 03:24 PM (Kz85k)

288 He can hear confessions just like any other priest. You are probably confusing Confession with just regular prayer and faith.
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:16 PM (/b8+5)


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If I were ever to become a Catholic, I'd want my first confession to be with the Pope. That would be the requirement for the Church to get me.

Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:25 PM (Nm/Lp)

289 268----" Or ask the intermediaries to pray for you."

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:16 PM (6zgse)
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I often ask for my Protestant friends to pray for me and they ask me to pray for them too.
I do think Catholics see "the saints" as being more alive than Prots do, which is why they can "talk" to them as Christian friends. But then, I know Protestants who say they commune on some level with those in heaven, whether they are deceased friends and relatives or inspirational figures.

I think there IS a Catholic-Protestant difference here but not as great as it appears.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 14, 2013 03:25 PM (C8mVl)

290 How is Pope Francis not like Gaylord Focker?

Pope Francis pays his own hotel bills.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 03:25 PM (X81fn)

291 I think one thing it took me a while to understand, and is a concept foreign to most Protestant, is the Authority of the Catholic church. If I am not mistaken, the Church authoritatively interprets the Scriptures and as such is sort of(?)/almost on par with the Scriptures. The view of the Church is very different.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:25 PM (6zgse)

292 So what is the purpose of having a Pope? Not being sarcastic. Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:20 PM (Nm/Lp)

I know you're not being sarcastic. You're always good with me.

Jesus passed his authority to Peter. He did that for a reason. For a practical reason, someone had to continue to spread the Gospel, and run the Church, and make general decisions about the faith. He did that because we're not angels, we're men. We're imperfect and we need a leader. If we were all angels, we wouldn't have needed the help.

Hell, just look around at ANY human group. Sooner or later a leader emerges, even if its a group of 4-year olds on a Kindergarten playground. If Jesus had not passed on his authority, Christianity would have ceased to exist by about 150 A.D.

If you believe that Christ did things for a reason, then you just need to ask, why did he even bother to PERSONALLY pass on his authority to "bind and loose" to Peter? What was the point?

There's a website (I forget the name) where you can trace the lineage of every single Catholic bishop who ever lived back to Peter.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:26 PM (sbV1u)

293 I have a friend who prayed to St. Jude to intercede on his behalf. St. Jude is the patron saint of lost causes, so I asked him why did you pray to him cause it was something small, not a lost cause or something very serious health wise.

His explanation was very funny but telling, he said, "I figured since he's dealing with such heavy stuff all the time he's welcome something mundane and address my prayer quickly."

I can tell you, his prayer was answered.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:26 PM (/b8+5)

294 Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:20 PM (6zgse)

We ask (pray to) the various saints for guidance and help in understanding the things go on around us, not as intermediaries.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 14, 2013 03:26 PM (yLuBK)

295 Knights of Columbus except, we talk about God, too. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 14, 2013 03:22 PM (yLuBK)

Yeah, I know. My FIL keeps pestering me to join.

But I'm not a "funny hat" kinda guy.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:27 PM (sbV1u)

296 MdV, I respectfully disagree. I think it is a vast difference. We just don't communicate with people who have passed on.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:27 PM (6zgse)

297 What strikes me about denominational discussions is not, no matter how many times the discussions happen, people don't seem to be aware of the basics of other faiths.

"Do you have to wear the funny hats all the time?"

"What is up with the whole statue thing?"

"Seriously, why do they all keep changing their names?"

I'm not a Catholic, but it's not like they're aliens who just arrived. They've been around for a while.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at March 14, 2013 03:28 PM (bxiXv)

298 Sean, you don't want to become a 4th degree Knight of Columbus? They are the ones with the Commodore hat and sword.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 03:29 PM (X81fn)

299 If I were ever to become a Catholic, I'd want my first confession to be with the Pope. That would be the requirement for the Church to get me.
Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:25 PM (Nm/Lp)

I get the feeling that he would probably do that for you because this morning he snuck out of the Vatican to go pray at the basilica and on the way, pragmatist that he appears to be, he stopped by the hotel he had been staying at and picked up his luggage.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:29 PM (/b8+5)

300 I swear, I'm going to start "Theology on Tap" on the weekend threads.

An easy start would be 'correcting the 1001 misconceptions about Catholicism'.

Posted by: Regular Moron at March 14, 2013 03:29 PM (feFL6)

301 But what power do the saints have to intervene with events here on earth? This is where we differ.

Plus for a lot of us, saint = saved person, so there's not that great distinction. For example, we may greatly admire St. Paul (my fave apostle) but we won't ask him for anything.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:29 PM (6zgse)

302 I think one thing it took me a while to understand, and is a concept foreign to most Protestant, is the Authority of the Catholic church. If I am not mistaken, the Church authoritatively interprets the Scriptures and as such is sort of(?)/almost on par with the Scriptures. The view of the Church is very different. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:25 PM (6zgse)

There are 3 sources of authority in the Church: Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium.

The last is the teaching authority of the Pope and all the bishops acting together.

Protestants do the same thing, they just don't call it the same thing.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:30 PM (sbV1u)

303 An easy start would be 'correcting the 1001 misconceptions about Catholicism'.
Posted by: Regular Moron at March 14, 2013 03:29 PM (feFL6)


And that's just the first weekend.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at March 14, 2013 03:30 PM (bxiXv)

304
291I think one thing it took me a while to understand, and is a concept foreign to most Protestant, is the Authority of the Catholic church. If I am not mistaken, the Church authoritatively interprets the Scriptures and as such is sort of(?)/almost on par with the Scriptures. The view of the Church is very different.
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If I understand it correctly, it's pretty similar to the Latter-Day Saint doctrine of "continuing revelation". i.e. the Prophet of the Church, by virtue of the fact that he's the head of the Church and God's spokesperson on Earth, can receive revelation and guidance from the Heavens that provides insight into doctrine, scripture, and the latest passing social mores fads.

Posted by: junior at March 14, 2013 03:30 PM (UWFpX)

305 An easy start would be 'correcting the 1001 misconceptions about Catholicism'. Posted by: Regular Moron at March 14, 2013 03:29 PM (feFL6)

That should carry us up to about 2020.

I better start ordering the beer.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:30 PM (sbV1u)

306 Sean, it maybe cheaper to start brewing your own beer if its going to take until 2020.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 03:31 PM (X81fn)

307 Anyway, I agree that there are a lot of misconceptions about Catholics, and I would be interested in learning more.

But I must say that my #1 barrier is probably the praying to dead saints. (No offense meant.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:31 PM (6zgse)

308 Sorry, not praying to. Maybe I should use "communicating with" instead.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:32 PM (6zgse)

309 My first true love was a hard-core Catholic girl. We were at a family dinner at a restaurant one evening and the subject of having kids came up. My girlfriend (almost fiance') said she wanted ten kids....................check please!

Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:32 PM (Nm/Lp)

310 If I understand it correctly, it's pretty similar to the Latter-Day Saint doctrine of "continuing revelation". i.e. the Prophet of the Church, by virtue of the fact that he's the head of the Church and God's spokesperson on Earth, can receive revelation and guidance from the Heavens that provides insight into doctrine, scripture, and the latest passing social mores fads. Posted by: junior at March 14, 2013 03:30 PM (UWFpX)

Very Different.

In the RC Church we believe that there is no such thing as continuing Revelation. God has said all He needs to say, and all He is going to say.

It's our job to get the interpreation right. And that requires constant effort and that's the reason for the Pope and the Bishops acting in concert.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:32 PM (sbV1u)

311 If I were ever to become a Catholic, I'd want my first confession to be with the Pope. That would be the requirement for the Church to get me.
Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:25 PM (Nm/Lp)



I told the Marine Corps I would re-enlist if I could do it past the speed of sound. So, I went to Miramar (NAS, at the time), got my back seat license and re-upped past Mach 1. Confession heard by the Pope would be many orders of magnitude harder, I imagine.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 14, 2013 03:33 PM (yLuBK)

312 Protestants do the same thing, they just don't call it the same thing.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:30 PM (sbV1u)

Kind of, but not really. We may behave like that in practice, but Tradition and the Magisterium (whatever its equivalent is) definitely do not have the same level of authority as the Scriptures for us, doctrinally at least.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:34 PM (6zgse)

313 I know of two marriages where the parties received a papal blessing. They both have it displayed prominently on their dining room wall. Both marriages have lasted, so far, in excess of 30 years.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:34 PM (/b8+5)

314
309My first true love was a hard-core Catholic girl. We were at a family dinner at a restaurant one evening and the subject of having kids came up. My girlfriend (almost fiance') said she wanted ten kids....................check please!
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I'm the oldest of nine.

You're missing out.

Posted by: junior at March 14, 2013 03:34 PM (UWFpX)

315 I am not against contraception, but I am actually quite sympathetic to the RC view of it because I believe the ready availability of contraception has changed society in many undesirable ways, e.g., with regards to views about having children, promiscuity, etc.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:36 PM (6zgse)

316 Kind of, but not really. We may behave like that in practice, but Tradition and the Magisterium (whatever its equivalent is) definitely do not have the same level of authority as the Scriptures for us, doctrinally at least. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:34 PM (6zgse)

When did the Bible as we know it now come into existence?

About 300 AD....although it began forming in bits and pieces and fragments around 150 A.D.

Didn't you ever wonder what Christians did before there was an authoritative Bible? They didn't just hang around and wait for Barnes and Noble to get around to it.

THAT'S why there's such a thing as Sacred Tradition in the RC Church. We recognize that gap and how it was filled.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:37 PM (sbV1u)

317 309 My first true love was a hard-core Catholic girl. We were at a family dinner at a restaurant one evening and the subject of having kids came up. My girlfriend (almost fiance') said she wanted ten kids....................check please!
Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:32 PM (Nm/Lp)



Heh......

My mother (Old School RC, drives hundreds of miles for Latin Masses) was "taking her vows" away from being a nun. Guess which one she couldn't take?

*raises hand as first born*

She stopped at 5, but wanted many more. Dad (converted Lutheran) breathed a sigh of financial relief.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 14, 2013 03:38 PM (yLuBK)

318 In the RC Church we believe that there is no such thing as continuing Revelation. God has said all He needs to say, and all He is going to say. It's our job to get the interpreation right. And that requires constant effort and that's the reason for the Pope and the Bishops acting in concert.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:32 PM (sbV1u)


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Not to be tearing down the RC church, but that sounds a bit like islam.

Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:38 PM (Nm/Lp)

319 This is reassuring. I'd feel better if we got some Nazi comparisons, though.

Posted by: Shoot Me at March 14, 2013 03:39 PM (qiXMt)

320 The epistles and gospels and teachings were passed around churches before the formalizing of the cannon. I'm actually leading a small group at church where we'll start studying the origins of the Bible next week.

Anyway, the theology thread is sounding better and better, although AoSHQ may be an interesting place to have it.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:40 PM (6zgse)

321 Maybe we do need Boobehs in Literature for $1000 Alex.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 03:41 PM (X81fn)

322 If you are curious about the Catholic Faith you might want to start at the Vatican website. Click English and explore.
http://www.vatican.va/

Had a friend asking all kinds of questions about Vatican II and I sent them there to read the original documents, not everyone's interpretation of the documents.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:41 PM (/b8+5)

323 Not to be tearing down the RC church, but that sounds a bit like islam. osted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:38 PM (Nm/Lp)

No, Islam believes that the Koran is the literal Word of God.

That's not what we believe.

We believe that the truth is in the Bible, and we may, or may not have uncovered it correctly. That's why there is a lifelong process to try to understand it. You need to read the Bible in all four senses: literally, allegorically, morally and anagogically. Even then, you still might not be getting it right.

The RC Church teaches that, yes, there ARE historical and scientific errors in the Bible.

Try telling a Muslim that about the Koran.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:42 PM (sbV1u)

324 Or a Protestant.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:43 PM (6zgse)

325 Or a Protestant. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:43 PM (6zgse)

Yes, but it is highly unlikely I will be beheaded at a Lutheran Pot Luck Supper.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:44 PM (sbV1u)

326 >>>But I must say that my #1 barrier is probably the praying to dead saints. (No offense meant.)

Praying to dead Saints, (The term used loosely, anyone in heaven, even in the Catholic faith is a "saint" there are just some that have been recognized) is an act of humility. God is the only God after all. But when you are asking for stuff, (and that is what praying to saints usually entails, "Please grant me X") it is sort of acknowledgement that your pathetic desires are that of something very small in Gods view. It's more of a "well I don't want to bother the big guy with my little problem, can I get a hearing from you?". As Catholics maintain a vision of the Father in line with the OT, prone to a sort of bad temper when plagued by the complaints of the miniscule. So Saints just provide an outlet for these appeals that is, more appropriate I guess is the best way to say it. Kind of like asking your brother for help because you don't want to bother your dad, because he'd be irate that you bothered him for such a small problem.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 14, 2013 03:46 PM (0q2P7)

327
Remember when the liberals in the media used to call George W. Bush "uncurious"? Of course it comes out later that he was a big reader of serious books, mostly on history, and would often invite the authors in to have serious discussions, all off the record and out of the sight of cameras. Meanwhile, has anyone ever read a story about what Obama reads? The supposedly "smartest man to ever be President"? I haven't.

Thevast majority of reporters are uncurious and uneducated, childishcareerists. Their attitude toward the Church's 2,000 year old positions on life, marriage, the family, sexuality, contraception, the priesthood, etc., is essentially that the Church is a "bunch of meanies." Don't they know that the catechism actually has a fully-formed coherent explanation for the Church's positions? You can disagree, but you ought to actually know what it is you're disagreeing with. But none of them show any indication that they've every bothered to do the least research on actual Catholic beliefs. It's about two or three clicks away. But they can't be bothered. The Church should just blithely reject the wisdom of two millennia in exchange for the liberal banalities of a college resident advisors' bull session.

Posted by: The Regular Guy at March 14, 2013 03:47 PM (qHCyt)

328 Yes, but it is highly unlikely I will be beheaded at a Lutheran Pot Luck Supper.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 03:44 PM (sbV1u)


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Ya never know for sure, though. Those Lutherans are a pesky bunch.

Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:47 PM (Nm/Lp)

329 308--- Sorry, not praying to. Maybe I should use "communicating with" instead.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 14, 2013 03:32 PM (6zgse)
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Yeah, you're probably right that there is a significant difference. I think I see it as a very minimal difference because I personally have never communicated with the saints in heaven in a direct way.
I have favorite saints that I may look to for inspiration. The only ones I turn to for advice are writers, that is, I turn to their works. I don't chat with them, though, much less ask them for anything.

I do know that most of my Protestant friends believe that their departed loved ones (the saved, that is) can somehow see them. That's not a part of their theology necessarily, but they don't see it as UNbiblical.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 14, 2013 03:47 PM (C8mVl)

330 Every Catholic Church has an RCIA group.

"On Holy Saturday, April 11, the Catholic Church in the United States will receive tens of thousands of men and women in the Church. Parishes welcome these new members through the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults (RCIA) and a ceremony bringing men and women into full communion with the Catholic Church. Listed here are some questions and answers related to these events."
http://tinyurl.com/bxk8jev

Catholics love to welcome anyone with questions.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:47 PM (/b8+5)

331 >>>In the RC Church we believe that there is no such thing as continuing
Revelation. God has said all He needs to say, and all He is going to
say.

Non continuous yes, no more words ever not exactly. Catholic belief is more akin to. "Well the next time he has to talk to us, he *REALLY WILL* turn this existence around and head back home."

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 14, 2013 03:49 PM (0q2P7)

332 "On Holy Saturday, April 11, the Catholic Church in the United States will receive tens of thousands of men and women in the Church. Parishes welcome these new members through the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults (RCIA) and a ceremony bringing men and women into full communion with the Catholic Church. Listed here are some questions and answers related to these events." http://tinyurl.com/bxk8jev Catholics love to welcome anyone with questions.
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:47 PM (/b8+5)


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Always followed by an evening of Bingo.

Posted by: Soona at March 14, 2013 03:53 PM (Nm/Lp)

333 When I was in the 6th grade I took my Jewish friend to confession with me. They were still not using face to face confession in my parish so I went into the confessional and she crawled in on the floor.

When I finished my confession, the priest gave me my penance and then said "Your friend doesn't have to crawl out, she can get up and walk out". I was mortified but she converted to Catholicism when we were in high school, so it's all good.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:55 PM (/b8+5)

334 >>>When I finished my confession, the priest gave me my penance and then
said "Your friend doesn't have to crawl out, she can get up and walk
out". I was mortified but she converted to Catholicism when we were in
high school, so it's all good.

Reconciliation is the most underrated underused sacrament the church offers.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 14, 2013 03:57 PM (0q2P7)

335 Soona, I am reminded of what a Brother of the Sacred Heart in high school said of the Bible. "The Bible was inspired by God, but written by man." The truth is in there, it just will take work to find it.

In Islam, as Sean said the Qu'ran is the literal word of Allah. Even though it was not codified until about a century after the Prophet's death and even then its of questionable authenticity since inclusion rested on two or more people hearing the Prophet say such. Not what was written down, but heard. Going further back to the revelations of the writings to the Prophet by Jibriel, Mohammed was in an ecstatic state when he supposedly received these revelations that is wife wrote down. So we have two different ways the Qu'ran was written and codified. But again try to tell a true believing Muslim of those issues, better be ready to duck and run.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 03:57 PM (X81fn)

336 If the new pope decides that a pizza with one topping qualifies as the host for communion (dang those wafers are bland), more people will convert.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at March 14, 2013 03:59 PM (9eDbm)

337 Reconciliation is the most underrated underused sacrament the church offers.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 14, 2013 03:57 PM (0q2P7)

I agree with you and I often wonder why that is. I know that my mom went to confession every week faithfully but my peers go maybe once a year. Last Easter I said to my friend "I got to confession at the last minute and I'm glad I did so I could receive Communion" and she said "oh I haven't been to Confession in years". She did not realize that we are asked to go at least once a year.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:59 PM (/b8+5)

338
But again try to tell a true believing Muslim of those issues, better be ready to duck and run.
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Sad, but true. The louder and longer you shout (and behead people), the more fanatical and closed-mindedit tends to turn you.

Posted by: junior at March 14, 2013 03:59 PM (UWFpX)

339 They were still not using face to face confession in my parish so I went into the confessional and she crawled in on the floor. Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:55 PM (/b8+5)

Face-to-face is a new thing.

Here's an interesting tidbit....

Under Canon Law every Church is REQUIRED to have a confessional with a grate, and MAY provide a spot for face-to-face confession.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 04:00 PM (sbV1u)

340 When I finished my confession...
Reconciliation is the most underrated underused...


One of the big complaints about Catholicism I get is about confession. The "I don't want to have to confess to anyone but God" types. No one is making you, but if something really bothers you, that you carry with you, nothing is better than confession to another human being, whose heart is committed to forgiving you.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 14, 2013 04:00 PM (0q2P7)

341 She did not realize that we are asked to go at least once a year. Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 03:59 PM (/b8+5)

Does she realize that if she receives Communion in a state of mortal sin that not only is the sacrament invalid, but she's committing yet another mortal sin?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 04:01 PM (sbV1u)

342 Does she realize that if she receives Communion in a state of mortal sin that not only is the sacrament invalid, but she's committing yet another mortal sin?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 04:01 PM (sbV1u)

Now she does. She immediately went up and asked the priest who basically said since she didn't know, not to worry about it but, now that she knows, she should make it her business to go to confession before the next Easter. I'm pretty sure he heard her confession in the sacristy cause she was so upset.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 04:03 PM (/b8+5)

343 As a non-Catholic (well, a devout practicing N/A-theist), everything I read (outside the MSM) about this new Pope is actually very interesting and reconciles very well with what my expectations of the spritual leader of a religion should be if I were actually religious.

It really *is* possible evidently to practice what one preaches. I asked yesterday or the day before since I really don't know dick about Catholicism and whatever I did know was probably warped by the MSM and others with ulterior motives in the US of A...is this the first Pope that would be considered from "The New World", circa 1600 or so?

Posted by: akula51 at March 14, 2013 04:04 PM (hNXHo)

344 Now she does. She immediately went up and asked the
priest who basically said since she didn't know, not to worry about it
but, now that she knows, she should make it her business to go to
confession before the next Easter. I'm pretty sure he heard her
confession in the sacristy cause she was so upset Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 04:03 PM (/b8+5)
I agree with Mike that its underused and undervalued. I would also add - misunderstood.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 04:05 PM (sbV1u)

345 When you go to Confession you walk out of the Confessional with a very unusual feeling, like the weight of the world has been lifted from your shoulders. It's difficult to explain.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 04:05 PM (/b8+5)

346 I think that is probably one of the reasons why people fear Confession. They are afraid to face the truth of where they erred. So do not get to the next step, where if they are contrite it is forgiven. Pride is a sin for a reason. And why the likes of Pelosi will never admit to any fallacy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 04:06 PM (X81fn)

347 this the first Pope that would be considered from "The New World", circa 1600 or so? Posted by: akula51 at March 14, 2013 04:04 PM (hNXHo)

Yes.

And....the first one to be more shaped by the wreckage of the Church Post-Vatican II than what came before it.

You can bet that will color how he sees the faith.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 04:06 PM (sbV1u)

348 When you go to Confession you walk out of the Confessional with a very unusual feeling, like the weight of the world has been lifted from your shoulders. It's difficult to explain. Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 04:05 PM (/b8+5)

Yup.

I feel like a shiny new penny every time.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 14, 2013 04:07 PM (sbV1u)

349 Last night I was reading the Communion and Liberation stuff and it's not as clear as one would like.

I found myself wondering if it is similar to the Cursillio movement.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 04:08 PM (/b8+5)

350 Thanks, Sean.

Posted by: akula51 at March 14, 2013 04:08 PM (hNXHo)

351 You know there are MFM reporters working feverishly around the clock to find some way to link Pope Francis to the Nazis like they did with Pope Benedict.

A year's supply of juice boxes for the first one to find the connection!

Posted by: Kensington at March 14, 2013 04:11 PM (znT2j)

352 One of my friends asked me a question the other day. Her church on the bulletin has written "a Vatican II church". She asked me if I knew what that meant and why it was there.

Do you sean or mike or anyone else know why a Catholic Church would put that on it's bulletin front?

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 04:11 PM (/b8+5)

353
352One of my friends asked me a question the other day. Her church on the bulletin has written "a Vatican II church". She asked me if I knew what that meant and why it was there.

Do you sean or mike or anyone else know why a Catholic Church would put that on it's bulletin front?
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I'm not Catholic, so I might be off. But my recollection is that while Benedict was Pope, there was a move to allow elements from both pre- and post- Vatican II. I suspect that the notice on the bulletin indicates that the leadership in the church adheres strictly to the changes that came about as a result of Vatican II.

Posted by: junior at March 14, 2013 04:17 PM (UWFpX)

354 Snarky the cat piss troll hi curious

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 14, 2013 04:23 PM (tROiY)

355 "He said those who build on worldly values instead of spiritual values were like children building sand castles on a beach. "Then everything comes crashing down," he said."
http://tinyurl.com/abol36s

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 04:26 PM (/b8+5)

356 354 Snarky the cat piss troll hi curious
Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 14, 2013 04:23 PM (tROiY)

I think you claim to be Catholic. The Pope addressed people like you directly in his sermon today.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 04:27 PM (/b8+5)

357 Pope Francis at his first Mass

"He who does not pray to the Lord prays to the devil. When we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, we proclaim the worldliness of the devil, the worldliness of the demon."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 14, 2013 04:36 PM (X81fn)

358 An editorial from the "NY Post" recognizing that "media elites" just don't get that Pope Francis isn't supposed to be a liberal on social issues, and that because the "elites" think the Pope is irrelevant it doesn't mean that he is:

http://tinyurl.com/c59bsgm

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 04:50 PM (g7q64)

359 The MSM seems to want to paint Francis according to their brush and he's having none of it.

He didn't just pick up his luggage and pay his bill, he greeted everyone at the hotel/residence, the entire staff, individually, taking time with them, knowing all of their names and probably making them all very very happy.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 04:55 PM (/b8+5)

360 Snarky,

I liked what your link says about the new Pope's homily. What is meant by an "NGO"?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 04:59 PM (g7q64)

361 360 Snarky,

I liked what your link says about the new Pope's homily. What is meant by an "NGO"?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 04:59 PM (g7q64)

I'm pretty sure he used NGO as "non governmental organization".

"Cardinal Dolan Talks About The Choice Of Pope Francis"
http://tinyurl.com/c7sp9mx

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 05:16 PM (/b8+5)

362 "He didn't just pick up his luggage and pay his bill, he greeted everyone at the hotel/residence, the entire staff, individually, taking time with them, knowing all of their names and probably making them all very very happy."

And that's stark difference b/t Obama and Pope Francis right there. Yes, I know Obama isn't the spiritual leader of a church, but the way some liberals respond to him he's certainly the head of a political cult. Obama has NO clue about leadership as a form of service but I doubt many politicians do

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 05:22 PM (g7q64)

363 Here's Cardinal Dolan's twitter feed for anyone who wants to follow him

http://tinyurl.com/byzpahl

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 05:24 PM (/b8+5)

364 I did see what Cardinal Dolan said. I enjoyed it. I like Cardinal Dolan. He seems to get a lot of joy from his faith.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 05:25 PM (g7q64)

365 364 I did see what Cardinal Dolan said. I enjoyed it. I like Cardinal Dolan. He seems to get a lot of joy from his faith.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 05:25 PM (g7q64)

He's funny. He always gets his point across with humor.

Francis is taking us right back to our roots, right back to what differentiates the Catholic faith from other faiths and belief systems. It appears he's going to make us rejoice once again in all the reasons why we are Catholics.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 05:28 PM (/b8+5)

366 I'm not Catholic but certainly anyone who is a Christian and committed to Jesus, the message of cross and the resurrection and the transformative power of the resurrection in our lives-"Christ in us our hope of glory" can appreciate the homily. That's a problem with so many churches-they'r e either about the prosperity gospel (Uhh; Dont get me started) or politics left or right. Now, don't get me wrong; I am conservative politically, but I don't confuse America with the Kingdom of God). We should not be a non GMO. We must proclaim Jesus Pope Francis' message was a great one to hear during Lent. Thanks again

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 05:49 PM (g7q64)

367 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 05:49 PM (g7q64)

That was so beautifully said.

thank you.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 05:59 PM (/b8+5)

368 The self regard of these folks is a bit much. So Erin seems to suggest if the RCC would just agree with all the positions she holds maybe she and her pals would back to the RCC. Yeah, right. LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 06:18 PM (g7q64)

369 Funny I could swear there was a time people-confused, lost troubled- went to the church for direction.
Now those same confused and troubled people scream the church needs to come to them for answers.
Would any sane person go to Chris Matthews for direction?

Posted by: Northern Lurker at March 14, 2013 06:22 PM (Yi2qt)

370 http://tinyurl.com/b7bjqgd

I was reading the comments after this article linked on drudge and you can feel the anger jump right off the page. Then it suddenly occurred to me that Francis was talking to Catholics, he needs them to hear him first.

I'm reminded of the words "Take up your cross and follow me"

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 06:31 PM (/b8+5)

371 "So anyway, Pope, listen up. Me and Erin want to be Catholics. So just make Catholicism more convenient for us and everybody wins.

You have one hour."

She went to an Episcopal boarding school and then on to Williams' college. She married David at City Hall.

She has the view of a Catholic who is confused about what it truly means to be a Catholic. Being a Catholic is not the same as being a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, of which she is a member.

I have a feeling in the coming days Francis will address these issues, directly.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 06:40 PM (/b8+5)

372 I don't know whether Pope Francis has read Francois Fenelon-although I know he's a very read man- but his emphasis on humility and the cross reminds me of much Fenelon says:

http://housechurch.org/spirituality/fenelon_letters.html

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 06:44 PM (g7q64)

373 Meant "I know he's a very well read man."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 06:49 PM (g7q64)

374 373 Meant "I know he's a very well read man."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 14, 2013 06:49 PM (g7q64)

From what I've read he's a well read man. Hey, he taught high school. That tells you something. And he's not afraid of science. I'm sure he well aware of all Catholic mystics, Francis of Assissi was a very interesting saint.

I'm wondering if he personally knew Padre Pio.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 07:11 PM (/b8+5)

375 OMG!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 14, 2013 07:43 PM (GVxQo)

376 Well, I grew up in a nice Irish RC family and really did love the Latin mass...but, by the time I was 15 or so I fell out on various issues and went thru a phase of yes, I do believe in G-D, but the doctrine don't work for me...etc, etc, perhaps a classic Jeffersonian Deist... (SP?)

Then I met this nice Jewish lady, who was not observant, but who insisted that if we got hitched, that the kids would be Jewish and they would need to know what that meant, and that therefore I needed to be able to do my part in educating them.

You wanna talk about weird, show up at Beit Knesset (Shul/Temple/Synagogue) on a Monday morning at 6:00 am and say, dudes! Sorry, I'm not the tenth man, Yah gotta wait...

Yeah, well in the end I did convert (and moved to Israel and live bloody 5 klicks from Gaza), because for me, being Jewish was a closer connection to G-D, and for what that's worth, that's the point...

So, if you continue to claim to be "RC", then whine about how it don't suit you...piss off, find yer own path if that's' what suits, but don't blame the pope if he don't waver,


Posted by: Jonbenjon at March 14, 2013 08:09 PM (Z2sJO)

377 "PRAYER OF ST. FRANCIS
Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; and where there is sadness, joy. O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love; for it is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned; and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. Amen"

http://tinyurl.com/auc9l7e

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 08:09 PM (/b8+5)

378 ’'Slum pope’ is sharp political operator"

http://tinyurl.com/aztbu6v

They seem hell bent on making this something.
Ah, the MSM.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 14, 2013 11:04 PM (/b8+5)

379 Every time I hear the term "social justice" the hairs stand up on the back of my neck. It is nothing but a euphemism for Marxism and other similar ideologies that wish to make those who produce the slaves of those who do not.


Posted by: Lee Reynolds at March 15, 2013 11:41 AM (waa/k)

380 Posted by: Lee Reynolds at March 15, 2013 11:41 AM (waa/k)

It's a political term that has no place in a religion.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 15, 2013 01:09 PM (/b8+5)

381 drudge linked this and I found myself thinking that the author expressed beautifully what so many are feeling:

"'Go and Repair My House,' Heard the Saint of Assisi
There is a power in the new pope's humility."

http://tinyurl.com/a8kuxw3

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 16, 2013 01:35 AM (/b8+5)

382 Today the Pope met with the press. Drudge has a picture of him sitting in a very plain ivory chair and a picture of his shoes.

His shoes are black and worn and look like the black sneakers that a lot of older guys at work wear with their suits. Those sneakers look dressy enough for a suit but save their feet. Even if they are leather shoes, they are not new, they are old worn good friend shoes.

That's a wonderful sign. No elaborate thrown, no brand new thousand dollar red shoes. I like this guy.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 16, 2013 02:03 PM (/b8+5)






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