Pope Benedict Departs Vatican

Benediction.

Benedict XVI's helicopter is circling over St. Peter's Square before heading to Castel Gandolfo, where he will make his final appearance as pope. Spectators around the helipad are hanging out signs that read, "Thank you."

The Anchoress has some thoughts on the departure of the Pope.

Posted by: Ace at 12:06 PM



Comments

1 Not a Catholic, but I'm gonna miss this guy.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 28, 2013 12:07 PM (Zd/NW)

2 Gandalf? Is the Pope going to the Grey Havens?

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2013 12:08 PM (ajh9D)

3 Not a Catholic, but I'm gonna miss this guy.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper
And the winner for most inappropriate sock us goes to...

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2013 12:09 PM (ajh9D)

4 "Pope Benedict Departs Vatican"

Then goes back in through the side door. From what I read this morning, he'll get better treatment then the last Pope to retire 600 years ago.

The new Pope threw the old Pope in jail until he died. Yikes!

Posted by: WisRich at February 28, 2013 12:10 PM (hdpay)

5 Well according to the prophecy* were down to the last one.

*Right!? They've been so accurate lately!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:10 PM (0q2P7)

6 I can't wait for Obama's farewell commemoration to the Pope! Maybe Barry gazing in rapt reverence into a mirror, with backlighting creating a halo over his head? Or something less subtle?

Posted by: annoyed at February 28, 2013 12:11 PM (uEm7J)

7 When will the white smoke fly?

Posted by: Hawker Flyer at February 28, 2013 12:11 PM (2z0mM)

8 No photo op for FLOTUS?

Posted by: USA at February 28, 2013 12:11 PM (RIg+t)

9 >>>The new Pope threw the old Pope in jail until he died. Yikes!

That was before the "warm and fuzzy" reforms of the Church.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:12 PM (0q2P7)

10 I'm gonna miss the guy. He was one smart man, and the Church needs good conservative leadership.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 28, 2013 12:12 PM (wtvvX)

11 we shall see

Posted by: Citation X flyer (formerly known as Hawker flyer) new jet n shitw at February 28, 2013 12:12 PM (2z0mM)

12 Ok morons, which pope said "God has given us the papacy. Let us enjoy it"?

BONUS QUESTION: What does this have to do with chestnuts?

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 28, 2013 12:12 PM (teQqO)

13 Remeber:

White smoke means we have a new pope.

Gray smoke means they're still working on their spliffs...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 28, 2013 12:13 PM (wtvvX)

14 >>>>When will the white smoke fly?

Are you taking bets or asking a question? It's like a jury, you never know how long it's going to take to get sufficient agreement within the college.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:13 PM (0q2P7)

15 I know I'm in the minority and everyone else is saying "He knows what he's doing. He must have good reasons.". But I dont like this at all and I love him.

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:13 PM (0PiQ4)

16 Countdown to Mooch and Barack shoehorning themselves into the proceedings in 4...3...2...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 28, 2013 12:13 PM (4df7R)

17 Cicero -- must be a Borgia?

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:14 PM (0PiQ4)

18 Benedict had electrolytes. He will be missed.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 28, 2013 12:14 PM (evdj2)

19 >>>I'm gonna miss the guy. He was one smart man, and the Church needs good conservative leadership.

I'm going to miss him too. He was no friend to progressivism. The church in the US has serious serious issues though.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:14 PM (0q2P7)

20 God bless you sir, happy life and embrace your reward in the next kingdom.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 12:14 PM (LRFds)

21 It will be interesting to see what the guy will be doing now. I mean, is he going to be wandering the halls of a retirement community like Gumpa Duke does on "The League".

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 28, 2013 12:15 PM (Zd/NW)

22 He was a good man. And an absolutely brilliant thinker. His Christianity and the Crisis of Cultures is a must-read.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 28, 2013 12:15 PM (zF6Iw)

23 @12: I'll guess it was one of the medeival Medici popes.

And a chestnut was his "calling card"?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 28, 2013 12:15 PM (wtvvX)

24 Media fapping over the possibility of getting a Pope that allows BC, Abortion, and Female Priests in 3..2 oh they already started.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:15 PM (0q2P7)

25 before he departed, he opened the Seventh Seal

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 28, 2013 12:15 PM (Dll6b)

26 >>>17 Cicero -- must be a Borgia?


I'm sorry, but yourbanswer must be in the form of a question.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 28, 2013 12:16 PM (teQqO)

27 I go back and forth on the resignation. Truth be told, only time will tell whether this is a good thing or not. It depends on who follows, it depends on the precedence that may or may not be set. It depends on whether we might start seeing forced resignations. At this point in my life, I prefer to focus on the positives with the hope that we will get a great pope who can be a guidnig light for Catholics, the West, and the world. All those groups need it.

Posted by: SH at February 28, 2013 12:16 PM (gmeXX)

28 Ok morons, which pope said "God has given us the papacy. Let us enjoy it"? BONUS QUESTION: What does this have to do with chestnuts?
Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 28, 2013 12:12 PM (teQqO)


Rodrigo Borgia (Alexander VI), was it not? And for the bonus question, read William Manchester's A World Lit Only By Fire.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 28, 2013 12:17 PM (zF6Iw)

29 Ashley Judds. -- he will live the rest of his life cloistered in a convent within the walls of the Vatican, Catholic version of Dick Cheneys bunker in an undisclosed location

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:17 PM (0PiQ4)

30 FLOTUS will be announcing the identity of the new Pope.

Posted by: real joe at February 28, 2013 12:17 PM (a2g8z)

31 3
Not a Catholic, but I'm gonna miss this guy.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy ScamperAnd the winner for most inappropriate sock us goes to...

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2013 12:09 PM (ajh9D)

We wouldn't have noticed that she has a puffy face and a puffy scamper if it wasn't because of the patriarchy.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 28, 2013 12:18 PM (Zd/NW)

32 7
When will the white smoke fly?

Posted by: Hawker Flyer at February 28, 2013 12:11 PM

Isn't that against EU carbon emissions standards now?

Posted by: kbdabear at February 28, 2013 12:18 PM (mCvL4)

33 I'm going to miss him too. He was no friend to progressivism. The church in the US has serious serious issues though.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:14 PM (0q2P7)


I think the next Pope needs to have a serious "Come to Jesus"* conclave with every Catholic institution all over the world. It's time to lay down the law, so to speak, and remind them of their faith and its teachings. I for one would love for a conservative Pope to lay into Pfleger with a castigation so sharp it actually makes him bleed from the eyes.


*Pun very much intended

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 28, 2013 12:18 PM (4df7R)

34 Cicero you cheat! See the question mark? That makes it a question.

Bonus ?; what is banquet of chestnuts?

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:19 PM (0PiQ4)

35 I just hope these rumors about Jerry Sandusky being considered for the papacy are untrue.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 28, 2013 12:19 PM (+lsX1)

36 Pay close attention there Barack.

Benedict is leading by example.

Take a hint.

Posted by: Pope John XXIII at February 28, 2013 12:19 PM (e8kgV)

37
I think it was considered an unpardonable sin to kill a "prince" of any sort. Therefore, they would throw them in a tower and allow them to die from starvation and/or neglect.

Posted by: Flores para los muertos at February 28, 2013 12:20 PM (wQXBk)

38 I thought he was a good Conservative Pope. Not one of those wishy washy all get along progressive sort of Pope. I fear his replacement will be one of those...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 28, 2013 12:20 PM (9+ccr)

39 "Gandalf? Is the Pope going to the Grey Havens?"

You know, that's not a bad analogy. Kinda what it feels like for this beadsqueezer today.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at February 28, 2013 12:20 PM (qevSe)

40 >>>I go back and forth on the resignation. Truth be told, only time will
tell whether this is a good thing or not. It depends on who follows, it
depends on the precedence that may or may not be set.

I think this decision was made because of accute problem not with Benedict but with the Church. That he sees a big problem he will not be able to tackle in the very near future. The Church just can't afford to wait for him to die to get a capable man at the wheel.

Conversely he may be having issues with dementia, and wishes to step down before he no longer has the presence of mind to judiciously use the chair of Peter. Imagine the havoc wrought on the church if a pope with dementia started invoking infallibility as a contemplative man would not.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:21 PM (0q2P7)

41 Took 35.

They must be slipping.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 28, 2013 12:21 PM (RSqz2)

42 33 MWR,

http://youtu.be/YaJaz453zO4

I'd prefer the Pope send a messenger...

the Church has a job to do....

it should do it with hard men with when needed hard hearts.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 12:21 PM (LRFds)

43 Who will come next?

Posted by: The littl shyning man at February 28, 2013 12:21 PM (G7r+5)

44 I'm predicting an African pope....and I think they're pretty conservative.

Posted by: Tami at February 28, 2013 12:22 PM (X6akg)

45 This is really apropos of nothing, but I've always liked the name Benedict. It has a certain noble flare to it, its relation to a Revolutionary War traitor and a breakfast egg dish notwithstanding.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 28, 2013 12:22 PM (4df7R)

46 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:14 PM (0q2P7)


I'm curious though, clicking through the Anchoress's links to the Jesuit Corner one, the author notes that B16 mentioned Dorthy Day in one of his final speeches.

I can think of no one as progressive as that woman. (Frankly I don't like the legacy she left which is a group completely devoid of the "Catholic" part of their movement and interested only in the Marxist part.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 28, 2013 12:23 PM (b4xCO)

47 I'll repeat what I put on twitter - there is something amazing about seeing an emeritus Pope fly off in something DaVinci thought up


Also, if this goes through, hurray! I appear to be banninated at work.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at February 28, 2013 12:23 PM (Gk3SS)

48 >>>37
I think it was considered an unpardonable sin to kill a "prince" of any sort. Therefore, they would throw them in a tower and allow them to die from starvation and/or neglect.

You sound so sure.

Posted by: Edward II at February 28, 2013 12:23 PM (teQqO)

49
14>>>> When will the white smoke fly?

Are you taking bets or asking a question? It's like a jury, you never know how long it's going to take to get sufficient agreement within the college.



Just wonderin'.

Posted by: Citation X flyer (formerly known as Hawker flyer) new jet n shitw at February 28, 2013 12:23 PM (2z0mM)

50 Did Presdent Obama attend the ceremony or Michelle? I think the Pope would be proud if our Presdeny Of Color and the furst lady attended this because they have so much in common with the Pope.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at February 28, 2013 12:23 PM (IkHXL)

51 29
Ashley Judds. -- he will live the rest of his life cloistered in a
convent within the walls of the Vatican, Catholic version of Dick
Cheneys bunker in an undisclosed location

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:17 PM (0PiQ4)


Yeah, I know. I was just thinking about one of the characters on "The League" whose grandfather, played by Robert Wagner, was put into a nursing home because they thought he had Alzheimers. In reality, he was pretending to have Alzheimers so that he could bed the female residents then act like he was confused that the woman wasn't his wife. In my mind he was walking the hallways grabbing women's asses and "forgetting" that he was Pope.
It was funny in my head.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 28, 2013 12:23 PM (Zd/NW)

52

Valerie Jarrett just emailed the Pope warning his emminence to keep his mouth shut if he knows whats good for him.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 28, 2013 12:23 PM (yhYn1)

53 #47

I was thinking the same thing!!

Posted by: Mrs Compton at February 28, 2013 12:24 PM (dX4hn)

54 I became a Catholic the Easter after Pope Benedict's election. After all the press saying what type of "modern" pope was needed, it was a true joy to hear the CNN anchors say "Ratzinger? It's Ratzinger? "

It was sort of like "Chicago's out? Chicago's out?"

I am convinced the Holy Spirit prompted his election. I am also certain that his decision to retire was prompted by his sincere concern for the Church. He was witness to how people went their own way (sometimes with disastrous results) when Pope John Paul II was so gravely ill the last couple of years of his life.

His greatest gift was teaching, and I enjoyed listening to his audiences and discussion of things. Watching his leaving just now it is obvious how frail he is, and perhaps he hasn't much time left.

I pray for him and am grateful we had him in Peter's Chair.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 28, 2013 12:24 PM (GoIUi)

55 SH the last time this happened, it was considered disgraceful. I don't like the precedent this sets of the papacy being viewed like any other job that you just retire from when you're tired. I love the man, but it feels like he is abandoning the Church.

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:24 PM (0PiQ4)

56 MtM - I tend to agree with you. I think he was also always going to be known as the caretaker pope. Whether you loved him or not. JPII was a dynamic pope and tough to follow. But the Church does need someone with a lot more energy than Benedict has at this point.

Posted by: SH at February 28, 2013 12:25 PM (gmeXX)

57 So he quit to get some Bunga Bunga . There , I said it , we were all thinking it.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 28, 2013 12:25 PM (AWmfW)

58 "I thought he was a good Conservative Pope. Not one of those wishy washy all get along progressive sort of Pope. I fear his replacement will be one of those..."

It's not likely, given that JPII and Benedict appointed almost all of the voting cardinals. Still, please rememberwhoeveris electedwon't always line up with American conservatism on every issue, especially economics.

An African Pope is possible--and will happen soon, given how the Church is growing by leaps and bounds in Africa--but not likely this time around. If I had to pick, an Italian is very likely--they're going through withdrawal with two non-Italians in a row. If not an Italian, probably Ouellet, the Canadian.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at February 28, 2013 12:26 PM (qevSe)

59 Benedict is a very capable man. He resigned because he is elderly, had health problems, and does not feel he can continue in the job. Enough with the conspiracy theories. He's also managed to select the majority of cardinals who will hopefully reflect his conservative views.

Posted by: Flores para los muertos at February 28, 2013 12:26 PM (wQXBk)

60 Huh, just noticed...

College of Cardinals elects the Pope.

Electoral College elects the President.

Let's hope the former does a helluva better job than the latter did....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 28, 2013 12:26 PM (wtvvX)

61 Should the C/2013 A1 impact Mars next October, scientists will have a front row seat for one of the rarest of all geological events – an impact capable of causing a mass extinction had it been aimed at Earth instead. As the comet makes its closest approach to Mars, it will be racing outward from the sun at approximately 56 km/s relative to Mars. If the comet were to impact Mars, the energy released would be on the order of trillions of megatons, while the resulting crater could be up to 500km across and 2.5km deep depending on the exact size of the comet.

God works in mysterious ways.

Posted by: Pope John XXIII at February 28, 2013 12:26 PM (e8kgV)

62 Soothsayer, I'm terribly sad about all this, but your last post made me smile

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:27 PM (0PiQ4)

63 Hopefully he is treated better than Pope Formosus. Google if you've never heard of him. Pat close attention to the "cadaver synod" Laugh a minute, those old time Catholics were.

Posted by: Libtardo at February 28, 2013 12:28 PM (89ILT)

64 63 Libtardo,

there's humor if your sense of humor trends grim and gallows...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 12:28 PM (LRFds)

65 #55 I disagree. First of all, he will be praying for the Church constantly, which is not abandonment.

Secondly, he is not going off to Miami to wear Bermuda shorts and eat the early bird special at the Cuban sandwich shop. He is withdrawing from the world, to live a life of seclusion and prayer. He made a sacrifice by accepting the papacy, because he wanted to retire to Bavaria, a place he will never see again.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 28, 2013 12:29 PM (GoIUi)

66 I for one would love for a conservative Pope to lay into Pfleger with a castigation so sharp it actually makes him bleed from the eyes.

That would be all kinds of awesome. So would excommunicating hypocrites such as Pelosi et al.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 28, 2013 12:29 PM (+z4pE)

67 Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:24 PM (0PiQ4)

"Tired" and unable to accomplish the job are two different things I think.

I suspect that future popes will retire, but I also suspect it will be something they seriously consider and have to convince themselves to do (rather than a default of "retire unless still active.")

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 28, 2013 12:30 PM (b4xCO)

68 If they decide "Hey we will just go with a ruling council from now on." Then he is the last .... their can only be one...oh, wait?

Posted by: Paladin at February 28, 2013 12:30 PM (mCOPv)

69 I fear a Social Justice Pope. Just as JPII helped to bring down the wall, a Social Justice Pope can have a big impact helping those who wish a nuetered America and a one world Gov. No I'm not getting all Alex Jones on your asses but those animals exsist.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 28, 2013 12:30 PM (l86i3)

70 SH the last time this happened, it was considered disgraceful. I don't like the precedent this sets of the papacy being viewed like any other job that you just retire from when you're tired. I love the man, but it feels like he is abandoning the Church

----

L'lle - I certainly understand the sentiment. But as MtM says, there could be things we are unaware of - such as dementia - that he knows will get worse.

As for me, I've decided not to worry about the precedent, and to see this as Good. And even if this starts a precedent, that may or may not be such a bad thing in today's modern reality. I hope it doesn't, but just too many unknowns. I hope for the best.

Posted by: SH at February 28, 2013 12:30 PM (gmeXX)

71 Huh, just noticed...

College of Cardinals elects the Pope.

Electoral College elects the President.

Let's hope the former does a helluva better job than the latter did....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 28, 2013 12:26 PM (wtvvX)
=========

The College of Cardinals is informed by the Holy Spirit.

Thanks to "Universal Suffrage" the Electoral College is informed by the Free Sh*t Army.

I think the Cardinals have better advice.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 28, 2013 12:31 PM (RSqz2)

72
Rumors are that Benedict is stepping down to spend more time with his wife and kids....and appear on "Dancing With The Stars" next season.....

Posted by: proudvastrightwingconspirator at February 28, 2013 12:31 PM (9yly6)

73 66 backwards Boy,

http://youtu.be/YaJaz453zO4

check out the clip...

James Bond has a message from the pope Ice ice Pfleger....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 12:31 PM (LRFds)

74 Secondly, he is not going off to Miami to wear
Bermuda shorts and eat the early bird special at the Cuban sandwich
shop. He is withdrawing from the world, to live a life of seclusion and
prayer. He made a sacrifice by accepting the papacy, because he wanted
to retire to Bavaria, a place he will never see again.


Posted by: Miss Marple at February 28, 2013 12:29 PM (GoIUi)



I will be completely unsurprised if we hear within the next few weeks that he has passed. Not that I want that to happen, just that I fear his health is far worse than suspected.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at February 28, 2013 12:32 PM (Gk3SS)

75 >>>Still, please rememberwhoeveris electedwon't always line up with American conservatism on every issue, especially economics.

I don't expect him to come down on my side outside of the realms of morality. The church has not had a great philosopher since Aquinas. So I'll just take theology consistent with moral living. If he can help cover that it allows us to work on freedom.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:32 PM (0q2P7)

76 Remember when Jesus quit his job? Not such a hullabaloo then.

Posted by: Jehu at February 28, 2013 12:32 PM (cSD32)

77 It would be great to have a Pope who can better articulate the concept of social justice and how respect of property rights and economic freedom is the best way to advance social justice.

Posted by: SH at February 28, 2013 12:33 PM (gmeXX)

78 The prosts were just as crazy. They dugged up Cromwell's corpse and "executed" him. They did the same to some scottish ruler whose name escapes me.

Posted by: Flores para los muertos at February 28, 2013 12:33 PM (wQXBk)

79 The best comment of the day was from the priest sitting in studio with Chris and Erin. He told us that the Pope had no drivers license but that he did have a license to pilot a helicopter and he wondered if he would be piloting himself back to Casa Gandolfo.

The priest also said that Castle Gandolfo is part of the Vatican State, something the wiki article failed to mention.

A lot of this exercise of stepping down was put in place by John Paul II. Since Benedict was always in his shadows helping and doing for years and years and years you can't help but wonder if the Holy Spirit is working through Benedict now, giving all Catholics a little nudge.

The other night, when I couldn't sleep, in the middle of the night I listened to a radio interview of someone involved in the church's pedophile scandal.
The person threatened "if you remained in the church, if you supported the church after this you will someday have to explain to your children why you did and it won't be pretty". Been thinking about that particular comment since I heard it, particularly in this Lenten season. If those of good heart and good intention left the church where would the church be? Instead those of good heart and good intention need to remain with the church to shepherd her to a renewal to a rebirth and a greater strength of faith and purpose. The church can only be fixed by those who make it up, the people.

As I was writing this, it occurred to me that the very frustration that some have felt with the Catholic Church is very similar to the way some feel about our country at this time.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 28, 2013 12:33 PM (/b8+5)

80 Valerie Jarrett just emailed the Pope warning his emminence to keep his mouth shut if he knows whats good for him.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 28, 2013 12:23 PM (yhYn1)


I just had a delightful image of Jarrett's rodent-like head impaled on a Swiss Guard's pike.

Posted by: real joe at February 28, 2013 12:33 PM (a2g8z)

81 @69: Me too. That's why I was so happy to see Ratzinger become Pope. Hopefully the next Pope will not be shy about reigning in the whole "social justice" sideshow...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 28, 2013 12:33 PM (wtvvX)

82 Should we expect some kind of Spanish Inquisition?



Too soon?

Posted by: eleven at February 28, 2013 12:33 PM (KXm42)

83 69 OSP,

It was part of the long march...begin in 1905 after the failure of the Winter Revolution.

Whether we start the counter march or march away we must not continue to sit still.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 12:33 PM (LRFds)

84

The comment quoted in the Anchoress piece:

He was “my” pope. I read him for years as Joseph Ratzinger, marveling at a mind so sharp it could convey complex points with utter simplicity. As someone called to a teaching ministry, I was inspired by his ability to teach at any level required of him, and teach so well that he also could inspire.

made me realize how frustrating it must be by the learned, watching the world melt down with idiots before their very eyes

so much work

Posted by: beach prayer at February 28, 2013 12:33 PM (XYSwB)

85 I do recommend Pope Benedict's Jesus of Nazareth. It is not difficult to read, and it presents aspects of Jesus' life that I had never considered.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 28, 2013 12:34 PM (GoIUi)

86 >>>>I will be completely unsurprised if we hear within the next few weeks
that he has passed. Not that I want that to happen, just that I fear his
health is far worse than suspected.

I he knew he was going to kick the bucket soon, he would have held it to the end and not caused the fuss. He would only resign because he thinks the Church needs a new Pope, but he ain't looking to kick the bucket quick enough.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:34 PM (0q2P7)

87 I don't like the precedent this sets of the papacy
being viewed like any other job that you just retire from when you're
tired. I love the man, but it feels like he is abandoning the Church.

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:24 PM (0PiQ4)


I really wish people would stop saying this. He did not resign because he's 'tired'.

Posted by: Tami at February 28, 2013 12:34 PM (X6akg)

88 Benedict is leading by example, yes. I would expect to see a few cardinals do the same.

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2013 12:34 PM (z6Elp)

89 It depends on whether we might start seeing forced resignations.

You mean like John-Paul 1st?

Posted by: Paladin at February 28, 2013 12:34 PM (mCOPv)

90 MtM - It would also be great to have a Thomist as a pope, someone who can articulate that faith and reason are not seperate. I think Thomas would have found a home in the 20th century, with all these great scientific discoveries only confirming his reason in the existence of God.

Posted by: SH at February 28, 2013 12:35 PM (gmeXX)

91 >>>Should we expect some kind of Spanish Inquisition?
Too soon?

One could only hope. You heathens have been strutting around like you own the place for too long.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:36 PM (0q2P7)

92 I really wish people would stop saying this. He did not resign because he's 'tired'.
Posted by: Tami at February 28, 2013 12:34 PM (X6akg)

He's a quitter Tami. Just like Sarah Palin. It's doesn't matter why. Quitter Quitter Quitter...


I jest.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 28, 2013 12:36 PM (l86i3)

93 I will be completely unsurprised if we hear within
the next few weeks that he has passed. Not that I want that to happen,
just that I fear his health is far worse than suspected.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at February 28, 2013 12:32 PM (Gk3SS)

I don't think quite that bad.But there's been some rumbling that he wants to finish his final volume of the theological tome he was working on before being elected pope, and given his health he'd likely to be unable to accomplish that while being pope (because he is goign downhill that fast.)
I think he always saw himself as a teacher and wanted to give this last lesson and feels he'll be failing if he doesn't.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 28, 2013 12:36 PM (b4xCO)

94 I know he is weak and fragile so was his predecessor. Every other Pope has died in office and I imagine were weak and some maybe suffered dementia even. I'm not making the ridiculous argument that Benedict wants to head for the beach to live out his last days. I am suggesting that he should trust the Holy Spirit to protect the Church and The Chair of St. Peter like every other pope save one has done.

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:36 PM (0PiQ4)

95 Think ahead to January 2017. Does anyone think Obama's final days and departure from officewill be marked with this kind of public response?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 28, 2013 12:37 PM (EGPJQ)

96 helicopter is circling over St. Peter's Square before heading to Castel Gandolfo

I should never have read those Dan Brown books, but I can't wait for him to land on the roof after sending the helicopter skyward to blow up.

Posted by: t-bird at February 28, 2013 12:37 PM (FcR7P)

97 44
I'm predicting an African pope....and I think they're pretty conservative.


Posted by: Tami at February 28, 2013 12:22 PM (X6akg)

The fastest growing church in my area is made up of former members of the Episcopal Church. They splintered off about 13 years ago and have just built their 3rd sanctuary in the last 5 years because they can't seat everyone for their services. The church is part of the Anglican Church of Rwanda, not the Episcopal Church of the US (not sure organization name) that is the official rep of the Anglican Church. Why? The AC of R is conservative, the Episcopal church in the US, not at all.
I will have to say, I went to a funeral a few days ago at an Episcopal church in town, and the Associate Minister was a cute little minx walking around in a pair of stompy boots. So they have that going for them.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 28, 2013 12:38 PM (Zd/NW)

98 MtM - agree with you again. If he knew he was in ill health, he would not have resigned.Dementia is different obviously.I only speculate there.

Posted by: SH at February 28, 2013 12:38 PM (gmeXX)

99 The White House should take a lesson from Pope Benedict, HUMILITY is a virtue in a leader and ARROGANCE is a character flaw.

Posted by: Mary at February 28, 2013 12:38 PM (p8eIQ)

100 made me realize how frustrating it must be by the learned, watching the world melt down with idiots before their very eyes

Having a clue is curse and a blessing at the same time.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 28, 2013 12:39 PM (/gHaE)

101 Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:36 PM (0PiQ4)

There all fragile, they are an average of 162 years old. You stop when you die, period. I think it's in the job description. You don't walk away from being POPE. WTF.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 28, 2013 12:39 PM (l86i3)

102 Tami -- agreed tired is the wrong word, substitute weak, physically suffering, fragile, in poor health in its place

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:39 PM (0PiQ4)

103 >>>I love the man, but it feels like he is abandoning the Church.

I don't think he's denouncing papacy of the congregation of Peter because he's tired. I think he thinks it is the best thing for the Church. When a man throws power away, I tend to give him credit, not debit, and trust when he says it is better for everyone.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:40 PM (0q2P7)

104 James Bond has a message from the pope Ice ice Pfleger....

That there is a radical priest.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 28, 2013 12:40 PM (+z4pE)

105 @ 95 at least a 47% margin of well wishers..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 28, 2013 12:40 PM (Snhap)

106 He doesn't look "weak and fragile" to me. He looked robust and like he couldn't wait to get to his task at hand. He had a sprint in his step that we haven't seen. Did you ever think that maybe it was God's will that he give up the job of the Papacy to maybe someone a lot younger so that he could continue his very important background work within the church?

Also, he was apparently one of the architects of Vatican II which is odd cause he's been stacking the college of cardinals with conservatives. Makes you wonder if he changed his mind or if Vatican II might have been implemented in a way they did not foresee.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 28, 2013 12:40 PM (/b8+5)

107 Thank you OSP. The call to be the Vicar of Christ is the point of your life. You accept that responsibility until the very end.

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:41 PM (0PiQ4)

108 Years ago we visited Vatican City and our son grabbed a flying rat = pigeon and wanted to keep it.

That's what I think of every time I see a pic of the Vatican.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2013 12:42 PM (UOM48)

109 >>>made me realize how frustrating it must be by the learned, watching the world melt down with idiots before their very eyes

>>>Having a clue is curse and a blessing at the same time.


Ecclesiastes 1

14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.

15 That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.

16 I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.

17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.

18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:43 PM (0q2P7)

110 " I am suggesting that he should trust the Holy Spirit to protect the Church and The Chair of St. Peter like every other pope save one has done. "

There has been more than one other abdication. It was one of the Gregory's that stepped down during an anti-pope period of conflict. His abdication managed to reunite the two factions behind one pope and helped stop a schism. So, he did it for the good of the Church.

And I can't imagine Benedict would do it for anything less than the good of the church. Honestly, take a look around. We constantly talk about what sorry shape the world is in on here every single day in every single thread. Hell, I'm pretty sure most of us see either war or serious persecution coming soon. Maybe the Church needs someone younger and stronger to deal with this crap coming down the pike. Pope Benedict has been wonderful but he is very old and very run down and who knows if he would have the will to fight this crap. And if the burning times are really coming, the last thing we need is a pope who is dying or senile and having the Vatican being run by various aides and factions.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at February 28, 2013 12:43 PM (qFpRI)

111 I hope he keeps his twitter account.

Posted by: USA at February 28, 2013 12:43 PM (RIg+t)

112 Well, my argument, L,elle, is this:

He's the Pope. Resignation is not unprecedented, although rare. If he thinks it for the best, I am not going to second-guess him.

Even up to the time of Paul VI, popes were not expected to travel. Pope Benedict cannot do that, on doctor's orders, given to him last year. So one very important part of the modern Petrine ministry (such as going to World Youth Day) is closed to him.

Secondly, the Church is under attack. It is under attack in all parts of the world, including the United States. Although Benedict is willing, his frail body doesn't give him the strength to be a warrior pope.

Third, I imagine that the time of his retirement will be very short. I share alexthechick's thought that he is not long for this world.

Finally, I trust Christ to look out for the Church. For heaven's sake, there was the Avignon Captivity, murdered popes, evil popes etc. The Church endured. This is NOT as bad as any of that stuff.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 28, 2013 12:44 PM (GoIUi)

113 I will be completely unsurprised if we hear within the next few weeks that he has passed. Not that I want that to happen, just that I fear his health is far worse than suspected.

Me, too. Not because I think he senses the end is near, but just because, without the mantel of Pope resting on his shoulders and pushing him along, his body may simply slow down and come to a stop. If so, I would trust it was God's way of saying, "You've done a lion's duty. Now it's time to come home."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 28, 2013 12:44 PM (4df7R)

114 104 backwards Boy,

ironically my family was allied with Elizabeth from what we can gather and did not turn on the monarchy until Cromwell.

Were i to go back in time most likely my direct forebear would not be thrilled I am a lapsed catholic.

What I'm trying to say is those folk were more intense.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2013 12:44 PM (LRFds)

115 Think ahead to January 2017. Does anyone think Obama's final days and departure from officewill be marked with this kind of public response?

I know what my private response will be: many drunken happy dances, interspersed with chair-spinning.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 28, 2013 12:46 PM (+z4pE)

116 Having a clue is curse and a blessing at the same time.
Posted by: @PurpAv at February 28, 2013 12:39 PM (/gHaE)


Or, in the modern vernacular, "Innocence is bliss."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 28, 2013 12:46 PM (4df7R)

117 l,elle

i don't doubt for a second that Pope Benedict trusts in the Holy Spirit...

Posted by: phoenixgirl spring training is here!!!!! at February 28, 2013 12:46 PM (GVxQo)

118 >>>The call to be the Vicar of Christ is the point of your life. You accept that responsibility until the very end.

I had no idea that God's will in this area is so clear to you. As far as I am concerned the most qualified person to determine God's will concerning the Papacy just told me the Pope should step aside and did so.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:47 PM (0q2P7)

119 The anchoress had something about him having his twitter and wondering if that factored into his decision. The young people are the future of the church. He loves the young people, just as John Paul II loved them. I would be surprised if he gave up his twitter, it directly connect him to them.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 28, 2013 12:47 PM (/b8+5)

120 "The College of Cardinals is informed by the Holy Spirit."

Weeeelllll...not exactly. The Holy Spirit protects theCollege from electing a guy who will commit a fatal doctrinal error.He doesnot protected from electing an Alexander VI. We have that on good authority:

http://tinyurl.com/blzomsv

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at February 28, 2013 12:47 PM (qevSe)

121 "Also, he was apparently one of the architects of Vatican II which is odd cause he's been stacking the college of cardinals with conservatives. Makes you wonder if he changed his mind or if Vatican II might have been implemented in a way they did not foresee."

It is my impression from the changes he has made in restoring the older forms ofthe liturgy and also from reading his catechesis in recent years that it is the latter.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at February 28, 2013 12:48 PM (qFpRI)

122 IGNORANCE is bliss.

But Innocence, too.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 28, 2013 12:48 PM (4df7R)

123 I for one want the Pope to relax his last days and have great meals and enjoy the Castel in peace, God Bless him.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at February 28, 2013 12:48 PM (8Hnjw)

124 Mandy I agree with you. Everything said about Benedict's frail health is true just like JPII. I listened to the stupid no nothing media demand and insist that JPII should step down bc of his debilating condition. He considered it I have heard as did Paul VI both of whom decided against it bc of the precedent. We watched JPII die a slow, painful death. I cried my eyes out and felt tremendous sympathy and pain for him but I thought it was the most powerful testament of the dignity of life at all stages, even in the face of terrible physical suffering.

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:49 PM (0PiQ4)

125 Finally, I trust Christ to look out for the Church. For heaven's sake, there was the Avignon Captivity, murdered popes, evil popes etc. The Church endured. This is NOT as bad as any of that stuff.
Posted by: Miss Marple at February 28, 2013 12:44 PM (GoIUi)


amen

I thought I also heard he has gone blind.

Perhaps, he is sacrificing to allow the hard work to be done by stepping aside.

Posted by: beach prayer at February 28, 2013 12:50 PM (XYSwB)

126 In reading a lot of places about this I am struck by people's using this to attack the Catholic church. I had no idea there was such hatred out there for Catholics and their church. Sometimes reading some of this claptrap was downright frightening.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 28, 2013 12:51 PM (/b8+5)

127 Posted by: Steve the Pirate at February 28, 2013 12:47 PM (qevSe)
========

They are informed by the Spirit. Whether or not they act on that information is up to them- free will and all that...

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 28, 2013 12:51 PM (RSqz2)

128 You don't walk away from being POPE.

He's hardly walking away. He's taking a fairly active hand in the process to select his successor--has been for a year. Mark that--he's been preparing for this day for a year. He wouldn't be doing this if he didn't think the ground was set for a quick, smooth, and salutory transition.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, the future Pope Ampersand I at February 28, 2013 12:51 PM (GBXon)

129 He likes cats. His new digs will have a kitteh.

Posted by: Flores para los muertos at February 28, 2013 12:52 PM (wQXBk)

130 I for one want the Pope to relax his last days and have great meals and enjoy the Castel in peace, God Bless him.

I suspect that would be somewhat out of character for him, but it's a nice sentiment.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, the future Pope Ampersand I at February 28, 2013 12:53 PM (GBXon)

131 >>>I cried my eyes out and felt tremendous sympathy and pain for him but I
thought it was the most powerful testament of the dignity of life at
all stages, even in the face of terrible physical suffering.

If watching the Pope degenerate into death, as it has many times in its history, was the best thing for the Church, then I think Benedict would have stayed. He was my Pope, if he says this is the right thing to do with the Papacy, then barring a prophetic vision from God himself, who am I to say he is in error? I must accept that not all elements of this choice are known to me, right now, and some of them may never be known to me. I must trust that God is and will care for his Church.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:53 PM (0q2P7)

132 MtM I'm not judging Benedicts motives. That's between him and God. I don't know what's in his head or heart. I just really don't like the precedent of this. Yes, I know it has happened before, and that doesn't make it acceptable. In the end, I trust the Church and the Cardinals to give us a holy new leader. What else can I do?

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:54 PM (0PiQ4)

133 Think of this as a reminder--or a final sermon, if you will--of how no man, no Pope, is bigger than the Church.

Well, one was. But He was the point of it, after all.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, the future Pope Ampersand I at February 28, 2013 12:54 PM (GBXon)

134 #126 No kidding. The amount of attacks on Catholicism has been ramped up to levels not seen in this country since the 1920's.

It's fascinating to see how interested and opinionated about the papacy non-Catholics are. And of course, my favorite part is the commentaries by reporters who are obviously anti-Christian as well as anti-Catholic.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 28, 2013 12:55 PM (GoIUi)

135 I'm of the belief that he sees the looming fight for Christianity, and he knows that the Catholic Church needs someone physically able to be able to travel and lead the fight. He knew he wasn't physically able, but he can give counsel to the new Pope which will be tremendous.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 28, 2013 12:56 PM (Zd/NW)

136 >>>Sometimes reading some of this claptrap was downright frightening.

When, I am put under the lash of the tongue for my Church, for its misdeeds now centuries old, for it's beliefs about the morality of human sexuality, for its keeping of separate rolls for women and men, I remember, are persecution is nothing like* what the first Christians had to endure.


*Unless you live in the Mideast.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:57 PM (0q2P7)

137 Well, I've said my peace. Thanks for hearing me out respectfully even though I look at this differently than most here. I've gotta go cry.

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 12:59 PM (0PiQ4)

138 A few bits of information that some may not know:

Benedict will assume the title of Pope Emeritus.

He will only be at Castel Gandolfo for a few months, until his living quarters within the Vatican are prepared. He will be living in a small monastery there on the grounds, on the other side of the gardens from St. Peter's.

He will not appear in public again.

He is devoting the rest of his life to prayer and meditation. And perhaps, finishing that theological book, although that hasn't been said.

He will swear loyalty and obedience to whoever is elected the new pope.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 28, 2013 01:00 PM (GoIUi)

139 >>>What else can I do?

You can let the Holy Spirit fill your heart with hope. That the unprecedented nature is God's will and God's hand upon the heart of our Pope Emeritus. And that now in our darkest hours, sitting on the cusp of a second dark age, we will be given a point of light to sit on the Chair of Peter and lead faith throughout the world.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 01:01 PM (0q2P7)

140 Btw Ace, I know you're not a believer. It was generous of you to put up this post. Thanks for that.

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2013 01:03 PM (0PiQ4)

141 #139 Mike, thank you for those words of faith and hope. I look forward to seeing who the Holy Spirit gives us.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 28, 2013 01:03 PM (GoIUi)

142 Sviatoslav Shevchuk 2013!

Eastern Rite 4 Lyfe!

Posted by: LibertarianJim (team #letitburn) at February 28, 2013 01:11 PM (XMDuf)

143 "They are informed by the Spirit. Whether or not they act on that information is up to them- free will and all that...
Posted by: Nighthawk at February 28, 2013 12:51 PM (RSqz2)"

Fair enough.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at February 28, 2013 01:12 PM (qevSe)

144 "When, I am put under the lash of the tongue for my Church, for its misdeeds now centuries old, for its beliefs about the morality of human sexuality, for its keeping of separate roles for women and men, I remember,our persecution is nothing like* what the first Christians had to endure.*Unless you live in the Mideast.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Now With More DOOM! at February 28, 2013 12:57 PM (0q2P7) "

Well said. Actual martyrdom happens daily in places like Africa and Asia. We're just experiencing hostility. Growing hostility, yes. But it's not martyrdom.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at February 28, 2013 01:15 PM (qevSe)

145 129 He likes cats. His new digs will have a kitteh.
Posted by: Flores para los muertos at February 28, 2013 12:52 PM (wQXBk)


I remember that he wanted to write a book about cats before he became Pope. I hope he gets a chance to do that.

Posted by: rickl at February 28, 2013 01:16 PM (zoehZ)

146 During the period of the vacancy in the office of Roman Pontiff, the governance of the Church will be entrusted to the College of Cardinals solely for the dispatch of ordinary business and of matters which cannot be postponed, and for the preparation of everything necessary for the election of a new Pope. The College of Cardinals cannot, however, exercise any power or jurisdiction which is proper to that office of the Roman Pontiff. The Cardinal Camerlengo of the Holy Roman Church, currently Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, has the duty of safeguarding and administering the goods and temporal rights of the Holy See.

It is the responsibility of the Dean of the College of Cardinals, currently Cardinal Angelo Sodano, to convoke the Congregations of the Cardinals for the election. It is expected that conclave will elect the successor to Benedict by mid March.

Six Popes, each under very different historical circumstances, have either resigned or abdicated their office as Roman Pontiff: Pontian (in 235); Silverius (in 537); John XVIII (in 1009); Benedict IX (in 1045); Celestine V (in 1294); and, Gregory XII (in 1415).

http://goo.gl/8AQte

Posted by: Flores para los muertos at February 28, 2013 01:16 PM (wQXBk)

147 I remember that he wanted to write a book about cats before he became Pope. I hope he gets a chance to do that.
Posted by: rickl


Her name is Contessina: http://goo.gl/cMr5k

Posted by: Flores para los muertos at February 28, 2013 01:20 PM (wQXBk)

148 I've been waiting for somebody to note the extreme hatred for Catholics in the comment sections of the articles this Easter season. It's been bad in the past but nothing like this. The Calvinist and Lutheran ideas of the pope as anti-christ and the church as the Whore of Babylon are in there along with the Luciferians saying that Satan is the real "god." I am not exaggerating. It is frightening.
It seems to be tied into the forced insurance bill, gay marriage, and abortion. Just like mindless hatreds in history, it is ignited by the "cause."
My faith tells me to pray for them. It is really hurtful, though.
They insist it is not hatred of Catholics, just the Vatican, as if the pope isn't Catholic.
It is downright medieval.

Posted by: Californio at February 28, 2013 01:49 PM (2eIwi)

149 "The Cardinal Camerlengo of the Holy Roman Church, currently Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, has the duty of safeguarding and administering the goods and temporal rights of the Holy See."

I often wonder if in these periods of transition things that cannot be done by a Pope, can be done by the Camerlengo.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 28, 2013 01:50 PM (/b8+5)

150 "Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to thy protection, implored thy help, or sought thine intercession was left unaided.
Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto thee, O Virgin of virgins, my mother; to thee do I come, before thee I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer me.

Amen."
http://tinyurl.com/84avrk8


Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 28, 2013 01:56 PM (/b8+5)

151 Pray for Benedict and the Cardinals.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 28, 2013 01:56 PM (/b8+5)

152 Thank-you. Benedict is very devoted to Mary. His book about the current state of the world, a conversation with, I believe, Berluscioni(?) had a big effect on me. He talks about the invisible pillars of society, the basis on the ancient moral code that we take for granted. He deserves a lot more credit for his intolerence of the victimization of children in the Church. He will be remembered, maybe belatedly, for his elegant and profound writing. I experienced him as someone who wanted a "cleaner" church, even if that meant less populous.
I have no doubt that he stepped down for the good of the Church. Times ahead will be challenging.

Posted by: Californio at February 28, 2013 02:04 PM (2eIwi)

153 Agnus Dei
http://tinyurl.com/bub655n

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 28, 2013 02:23 PM (/b8+5)

154 "Makes you wonder if...Vatican II might have been implemented in a way they did not foresee."
===============

As if something like THAT could ever happen...

Posted by: ObamaCare at February 28, 2013 02:36 PM (/AHDz)

155 And yeah, thanks for this post, Ace. And thinks to pretty much everyone else for not seizing upon the opportunity to crap on the Church.

Posted by: Kensington at February 28, 2013 02:37 PM (/AHDz)

156 "Makes you wonder if he changed his mind or if Vatican II might have been implemented in a way they did not foresee."



"It is my impression from the changes he has made in restoring the
older forms ofthe liturgy and also from reading his catechesis in recent
years that it is the latter."

Yep. If you read the documents of Vatican II (which The Deuce also helped to write-- and he is the one who set the retranslation in motion) they in no way condone shit like liturgical dancing, no longer kneeling for Communion, horrible art, tabernacles shoved off to the side, and so on and so on and so on. Liberals grabbed hold of the power vacuum and performed their usual cram-down.

Posted by: Filly at February 28, 2013 02:41 PM (GlB0l)

157 There is nothing like a good Tridentine Mass to make you feel God, right there with you.

http://tinyurl.com/74lz67r

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 28, 2013 02:44 PM (/b8+5)

158 "After many years of spiritual wandering far away from my Catholic roots, his was the quiet voice that summoned me back and showed me a new way. He reshaped the way I think. All of the reading and education and influences that went into furnishing my mental apartment is now viewed through a Ratzingerian lens."

No one gently guides you in putting it all together like the anchoress. She knows just who to quote and the above quote from Tom McDonald speaks volumes.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 28, 2013 02:57 PM (/b8+5)

159 Bases loaded and she hits a home run:

"All of this continual advancing doesn’t leave us happy and fulfilled. This is what Jesus meant when he said “where your treasure is, there your heart will be also” (Luke 12:34), the life of endless pursuit, ungrounded by something larger than the self, brings us only to the sort of futile emptiness that wreaks havoc on our souls and provides so much fodder for so many gossipy headlines."

Read the rest, it's short and well worth your time and thoughts: http://tinyurl.com/azdt2g3

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 28, 2013 11:17 PM (/b8+5)

160 Fuck this shit!

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