Should Conservative Women Just Embrace the Term "Feminism"?

And men, for that matter.

So long as we mean by "feminist" what I think 85% of the country means by it.

Posted by: Ace at 03:56 PM



Comments

1 Embrace it how?

It's a thing and we talk about it as it is.

Do you mean endorse it?

Posted by: Truman North at February 27, 2013 03:57 PM (lD8G6)

2 no

it's like conservatives trying to embrace the term liberalism because of classical liberalism. it's an anachronism

Posted by: JDP at February 27, 2013 03:58 PM (60GaT)

3 Embrace liberty and rule of law.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at February 27, 2013 03:58 PM (w41GQ)

4 It's like institutional racism. The country should just declare victory and move on.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 03:59 PM (QupBk)

5 Hell yes!

My wife is a Republican and a feminist, but her definition of "feminist" is actually more rational than the scrunts at NOW and the rest of the loons on the left.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 27, 2013 03:59 PM (GsoHv)

6 I mean seriously, a black man is President of the United States.

Mission fucking Accomplished.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 03:59 PM (QupBk)

7 Hashtag #SkinnyDemocrats created

Posted by: kbdabear at February 27, 2013 04:00 PM (mCvL4)

8 Only if we call the libtard scrunts 'wymmynysts'.

...ok, that makes my eyes hurt and I typed it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 27, 2013 04:00 PM (GBXon)

9

Never liked the word "feminist," myself.

But, I kinda like the urban dictionary definition:

A person who supports equality between the sexes. Feminists can be (and are) women, men, and transpeople. Feminists are black, white, and everything in between. Feminists are straight, gay, and bisexual. Feminists understand that inequality effects everyone.

Feminists ARE NOT Nazis, or women who can't get laid. The very existence of these views is proof that feminism still has a lot of work to do.

Some feminists shave, and some don't. Some are "fashionable", some aren't. Just like any other group of people.

Not all feminists are lesbians, though lesbians can be feminists. The ongoing Civil Rights movement and the push for gay marriage are often associated with feminism as each cause expresses a very sane desire to create world recognition of our intrinsic equality.

John: Lisa's a feminist? You mean a bitch, right?

Max: She just believes in equal rights, man. I'm a feminist, too.

Posted by: beach party at February 27, 2013 04:00 PM (XYSwB)

10 Your use of the term "embrace" is harassment.

Posted by: Wymyn for Marxism at February 27, 2013 04:00 PM (XUKZU)

11 No
It's just another form of alleged victim hood

And the southern ettes will start with the 'belle' stuff
Ugggh

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 27, 2013 04:00 PM (FxIhI)

12 tell their sons they can't get an earring, also tell their husbands they can't get an earring, and so on and so forth

_____________

Ace --go ahead and get the earring.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 04:01 PM (r2PLg)

13 You wanna "embrace" my masculinism, Ace?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 27, 2013 04:01 PM (f9c2L)

14 Republican women are hard to embrace. They have fat asses. Alec Baldwin

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 04:01 PM (wbmaj)

15 NTTAWWT

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 27, 2013 04:02 PM (f9c2L)

16 The Left wins because it's not afraid to attempt to take over our language. We need to do the same.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 27, 2013 04:02 PM (Y5I9o)

17 Ace I love you, but...

Have you lost your ever-loving mind?

No. Absolutely not. Feminism means nothing more than destroying the family unit and pushing for policies that would ensure that women are superior to men; not equal.

Why in God's name would we want to embrace the meaning of the word as it is in 2013?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 27, 2013 04:02 PM (pLTLS)

18 I don't know if you can keep the Batman Shirt though--that would be too...metro.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 04:02 PM (r2PLg)

19

"We are all Keynesians now"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 27, 2013 04:02 PM (kdS6q)

20 Ladies, you all need to cum into the Big Tent in my pants.

Guys.

Posted by: Karl (Turd Blossom) Rove at February 27, 2013 04:03 PM (ntNJz)

21 The urban dictionary is exactly 100% wrong.

If you believe in equal rights, you are - conservative. If you are a feminist, all that other shit applies.

Posted by: Truman North at February 27, 2013 04:03 PM (lD8G6)

22 I think it may be better to smother it than embrace it.

Posted by: Roy at February 27, 2013 04:03 PM (VndSC)

23 Why not apply the label "sexist" to liberal feminist groups that endorse discrimination against men?

Posted by: DKCZ at February 27, 2013 04:03 PM (9/bcB)

24 >>>Ace --go ahead and get the earring.

I know, right?! It would make me look like a Sexy Pirate.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 04:03 PM (LCRYB)

25 The left actively debases and redefines the language. We should have no problem redefining terms to fit our agenda.

Posted by: real joe at February 27, 2013 04:03 PM (a2g8z)

26 16
The Left wins because it's not afraid to attempt to take over our language. We need to do the same.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 27, 2013 04:02 PM (Y5I9o)


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All social engineering begins with verbal engineering.

Posted by: Karl (Turd Blossom) Rove at February 27, 2013 04:04 PM (ntNJz)

27 By feminist you mean ugly broad who can't get laid, right?

Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 04:04 PM (pZDxu)

28 We should continue to embrace the concept feminism as ace defined it, but I'm less sure about the word. Even among low-info voters it is kind of tainted. Maybe we need a new word, but I'm at a loss as to what it would be.

I used to go around, at like 15, saying I was a "feminist, but not a female supremacist" but that's basically an eyeroll in the form of a phrase.

Posted by: Jenny tries too hard and also hates her phone at February 27, 2013 04:04 PM (U7v0V)

29 The left has stolen the words liberal,feminism,"gay rights" etc etc.

Posted by: steevy at February 27, 2013 04:04 PM (9XBK2)

30

I'm a chavinist.

Posted by: Slick Willy at February 27, 2013 04:04 PM (XYSwB)

31 I am getting a virus alert at the link - fyi

Posted by: granola gaye at February 27, 2013 04:04 PM (oEq2J)

32 24 >>>Ace --go ahead and get the earring.

I know, right?! It would make me look like a Sexy Pirate.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 04:03 PM (LCRYB)

_______________

Ya--I was thinking it could work in Key West.

Although pick the wrong lobe and you could get --

buggered by reality.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 04:04 PM (r2PLg)

33 I vote for just calling them 'love bubbles' embracing them, and moving on.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 27, 2013 04:04 PM (UrENZ)

34 I thought we already embraced the term Feminazi?

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 04:05 PM (m2CN7)

35 If sequester is allowed to happen, wymyn will be forced into back alley abortions and cannibalism.

Posted by: Obamus Rex at February 27, 2013 04:05 PM (XUKZU)

36 Erah, applies in reverse

Posted by: Truman North at February 27, 2013 04:05 PM (lD8G6)

37 ah, you misunderestimate me.

As soon as we co-opt feminism, then the Marxist Gender Critters become "EXTREME feminists."

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 04:05 PM (LCRYB)

38 Sure, why not. Who cares? I don't think it matters, but it can't hurt. Heck conservatism obviously doesn't mean what I think it means considering that over half this country considers themselves conservative even after electing Obama twice.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 04:05 PM (gmeXX)

39 A famous feminist once said that all feminists are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Posted by: Roy at February 27, 2013 04:05 PM (VndSC)

40 Continuing to talk past each other to achieve greater confusion?

Now that's a plan I can get behind!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at February 27, 2013 04:06 PM (hLRSq)

41 I thought feminism and gay rights was the same thing.

Posted by: Do what you want but don't make me watch. at February 27, 2013 04:06 PM (yn6XZ)

42 I clearly remember listening to (not participating in) a conversation between two low-information female friends of mine in which they both declared themselves "feminist."

_________________

What I really want to know--is--

how did this happen?

Where you taking a crap in the Ladies Room--again?

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 04:06 PM (r2PLg)

43 I have no problem with feminists. Mine makes a great sandwich.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 27, 2013 04:06 PM (sGw0h)

44 Really good stuff, Ace. I esp. like the part about not deferring to some maleidiot in accounting.

Posted by: Liberty Lover at February 27, 2013 04:06 PM (encrR)

45

The urban dictionary is exactly 100% wrong.

If you believe in equal rights, you are - conservative. If you are a feminist, all that other shit applies.
Posted by: Truman North at February 27, 2013 04:03 PM (lD8G6)


Was I missing a /sarc, or were you?

Posted by: beach party at February 27, 2013 04:06 PM (XYSwB)

46 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 04:06 PM (xN73L)

47 Will the Marxist then bring out "real feminists" like what has been done with "real blacks"?

Posted by: Roy at February 27, 2013 04:07 PM (VndSC)

48 WTF is "transpeople"? Nevermind, no no just nevermind. I denounce myself blah blah blah.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at February 27, 2013 04:07 PM (X+nFp)

49 Susan B Anthony would despise today's "Feminists."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 04:07 PM (xN73L)

50 By Ace's (non-crazy) description, of course I'm a feminist. But maybe if we can get Rush's term feminazi to stick to the wymynz, maybe we can embrace the term.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 04:07 PM (6zgse)

51 Didn't she who will not be named call herself a feminist?

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 04:07 PM (gmeXX)

52 Feminism, whether uttered by conservative or liberal,will always mean Women and Men are equal. News Flash. Men and Women will never , ever be equal.

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 04:08 PM (m2CN7)

53 It doesn't no good to wage this pissing war over the meaning of the word imho.

Let them have the words feminism. Define it as women dancing around in hoo-ha costumes and demanding free contraception at the same time they're simultaneously telling you to get their laws off their bodies.

Take the word and shame it. Give it the meaning it deserves.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 27, 2013 04:08 PM (pLTLS)

54 Ok.. to be serious.. nope. we shouldn't.

Look at the VAWA debacle happening in Congress. First off.. we never needed a Violence Against Women Act in the first place. we got so many fucking special groups now it's fucking ridiculous. A crime is a crime.. once you make it more of a crime if it's against some special protected group, we no longer have equality.

So now, the freakin' libtards want to add LGBT (which means any freak who has a grudge against someone even looking at them wrong can claim "abuse" and that includes transgender MEN - in a violence against WOMEN bill!) to the bill.. and Indians too!

So.. to me, this shit's gotta stop.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 27, 2013 04:08 PM (f9c2L)

55 Transpeople got nobody to love......

Posted by: Roland THTG at February 27, 2013 04:08 PM (QM5S2)

56 As soon as we co-opt feminism, then the Marxist Gender Critters become "EXTREME feminists."

But since they own the media, ESPN will just have the EXTREME Feminist Games to rehabilitate them again.

No, I'm not going to describe the individual events.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 04:08 PM (B/VB5)

57 I like this. State, Im a feminist on your FB or twitter and let the comments fly about You So Totally Are Not! and let the leftists tell us what feminism REALLY means to them (fighting against male privilege and abortion, apparently)

Posted by: JJ Stone at February 27, 2013 04:08 PM (jNPVB)

58 37 ah, you misunderestimate me.

As soon as we co-opt feminism, then the Marxist Gender Critters become "EXTREME feminists."


It starts with calling all left-wing extremist feminists "left-wing extremist feminists". And calling the voice to embrace feminism "anti-man extremism"

Posted by: Truman North at February 27, 2013 04:08 PM (lD8G6)

59 I agree the word is tainted.

You know we're all thinking it you guys.

Posted by: eleven -phd at February 27, 2013 04:08 PM (KXm42)

60 Yes we should. And we have. Problem is that "feminism" as pushedincludes the "its my body thing" that means abortion.

They just kind of write around that second body involved thing.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 04:09 PM (t06LC)

61 *any good

Jesus. Nice grammar.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 27, 2013 04:09 PM (pLTLS)

62 Ace, I have a question.

Due to the rapid-fire nature if The Conversation, wouldn't it make more sense to post the long form of the post here, and the teaser with the link over there?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 27, 2013 04:09 PM (7QNaf)

63

OT

From all the marketing emails re: my bday, gotta love the one from Cybernetic Punks Gaming. Don't even remember joining them, nor telling them my birthday.

Posted by: beach bday party at February 27, 2013 04:09 PM (XYSwB)

64 27
By feminist you mean ugly broad who can't get laid, right?




*head explodes*

Posted by: Ashley Puffy Faced Judd at February 27, 2013 04:09 PM (UOM48)

65 LOVE the mini munchkin side bar article. If you like video games or role playing games, you owe it to yourself to check it out.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 27, 2013 04:09 PM (q177U)

66 We can give the Marxists the term "vaginist". It's more applicable.

Posted by: Roy at February 27, 2013 04:09 PM (VndSC)

67 This is such a no-brainer, the fact that it's even being discussed at all makes me throw up my hands in despair.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2013 04:10 PM (J4nVH)

68 For some reason whenever I hear the word "feminist" I always picture white women with afros.

Posted by: eleven -phd at February 27, 2013 04:10 PM (KXm42)

69 feminism is just like all the other bad cultural wars because feminism equals communism/fascism.
the last good cultural war, carried out in churches and lodges and fraternal organizations, was prohibition, and they still ridicule it 80 years after the 21st Amendment. I get it, it was not enforceable.

Posted by: every day is like sunday at February 27, 2013 04:10 PM (Kxz3Y)

70 it's like conservatives trying to embrace the term liberalism because of classical liberalism. it's an anachronism
~ ~ ~ ~
I embrace the term, but I am a pedantic dick.

Posted by: fluffy, pedantic dick at February 27, 2013 04:10 PM (oOV2h)

71 Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at February 27, 2013 04:07 PM (X+nFp)

You need to get with the program and understand the insidious and pervasive cissexism in our society.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 04:10 PM (6zgse)

72 Let's just start calling ourselves Democrats and get on with it.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 04:10 PM (gmeXX)

73 Posted by: beach party at February 27, 2013 04:00 PM (XYSwB)

That's the problem. First off, Feminism never meant that. It was always a "rebellion against the patriarchy." In the early days, if you were a male who agreed that women deserved equal political rights, you were on the side of the Feminists, but no one would ever have called you a Feminist.

Now, though, "Feminism" hides behind that nice rosy perception while Feminists (as a rule) are actually for anything but "equal treatment." They want special consideration and privileges.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 04:10 PM (xN73L)

74 I think we're over-thinking this one.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 27, 2013 04:10 PM (UypUQ)

75 No! Feminism has been associated with women who want us to see ourselves as career victims.

Back in the seventies I had a friend who was always talking about how we needed the Equal Rights Amendment. I told her we didn't need it because a woman who was discriminated against, based on gender, was already protected by law and could try to prove her case in court. Her response: "It'll send a message. "

You want to know why so-called moderate women voted for Obama? Because they buy the liberal bs that they get 24/7 from almost the entire media, that women somehow have it tougher than men. It's bullshit, but they believe it because it is promoted in all the news shows except Fox News, and in all of the entertainment media.

Republicans and conservative women calling themselves feminists won't accomplish anything. Liberals will still control the message through the media.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 27, 2013 04:10 PM (tAOpG)

76 If by "feminism" we mean equal rights under the law, then yes, I'm a feminist. If by "feminism" we mean that all men are rapists and Heather should have two mommies, then no. All a matter of definition.

Posted by: joncelli at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (RD7QR)

77 Sure I want my wife bitchy and wearing flannal.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (l86i3)

78 Hi lacey! Missed you.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (6zgse)

79 There needs to be a guy movement. A man, at least in the tv ads I see, is now universally portrayed as a woman's retarded little sidekick. Time to check out 'menimism'?

Posted by: Joejm65 at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (UZuc4)

80 Not sure what to think about your proposal, Ace. The libs have kinda poisoned the term.

Posted by: As long as Mindy's little Barry-Boo is happy, that's what matters at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (U/+f9)

81 Embrace it?!?

Hell, we should oggle it, whistle at it and slap it on the ass!

Posted by: Sgt. York at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (KIeJ9)

82 LOVE the mini munchkin side bar article. If you like video games or role playing games, you owe it to yourself to check it out.

Yes, it's a great way to explain to that sort of audience why TFG sucks.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (B/VB5)

83 I'm curious to know if there are any conservative women here would like to adopt that term and why.

Takers?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (pLTLS)

84 If by feminist you mean we are capable humans that do not Need govt to take care of their b.c needs yeah. while giving the govt the right to tell you how to be a mother or shouldn't be a mother or a any other idea that they imagine to be a true women.

If by feminist we recognize being a mother or being a career woman are equally honorable professions.

If by being a feminist, That we think women with hard work, determination and endurance can reach their goals as well any other citizen .

that we realize women are as diverse in thought and expression as any other human and that our organs don't reign supreme over any other, as anothers shouldn't ours.

Posted by: willow-ette at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (nqBYe)

85 I don't want to be a feminist--it's kind of a sucky deal.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (r2PLg)

86 'menimism'?
Posted by: Joejm65 at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (UZuc4)


FKN A, I like that.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (l86i3)

87 Due to the rapid-fire nature if The Conversation,
wouldn't it make more sense to post the long form of the post here, and
the teaser with the link over there?
...........
He probably gets paid by the word over there.. here, he's gotta pay himself!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 27, 2013 04:12 PM (f9c2L)

88 Why is this a question, and who gives a shit.


That is all.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 04:12 PM (wR+pz)

89 Ace has two low information female friends?

Good one, Ace. Liked the use of "sistren"

Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2013 04:12 PM (0PiQ4)

90
speaking of terms...

instead of calling them liberal pundits, how about liberal poo-flinger?

because that's all they do

Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 04:12 PM (wAng0)

91 Ok idea but have conservatives ever co-opted a single thing successfully from the democrats?

Posted by: Drew in MO at February 27, 2013 04:12 PM (cGlgB)

92 Sandra Fluke et. al. are not extreme feminists though, they're a logical outcome. abortion/contraception-on-demand are seen as necessary for women to have full equality with men, as opposed to having any "unfair" potential impediments specific to women.

that's not to say women's suffrage ---> Sandra Fluke!! but that if you take Equality as the highest principle, like feminism does, you end up with stuff like this that seems goofy but makes a certain sense when it's consistently applied.

Posted by: JDP at February 27, 2013 04:13 PM (60GaT)

93 Words get hijacked. Once gone you never get the traditional meaning back.

I'd heard once the atheists trying to confiscate the word "bright". That has a much nicer sound, dontcha think?

I'm not going to play the game of image control. If a concept is ugly, I'll use a suitably descriptive name.

Posted by: Rule #2 at February 27, 2013 04:13 PM (CypDC)

94 Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 04:10 PM (6zgse) Gotta try some of that cissexism. That's for damn sure.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at February 27, 2013 04:13 PM (X+nFp)

95 I like "gynosaur" a lot better.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 27, 2013 04:13 PM (hEr50)

96 Ok idea but have conservatives ever co-opted a single thing successfully from the democrats?

Reagan

Posted by: Roy at February 27, 2013 04:13 PM (VndSC)

97
>>>
So long as we mean by "feminist"

Equal vote.

Equal pay for equal work. Though just because the woman of a workplace make less than the men...ON AVERAGE. That is in no way prima facie evidence of discrimination.

Equal consideration for equal ability. Though just because the majority of workers at a certain level are men, is in no way prima facie evidence of discrimination.

Equal rights to buy what they consume and be responsible for themselves.

Equal protection and duties under the law. No more VAWA.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 04:13 PM (0q2P7)

98 I like "gynosaur" a lot better.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 27, 2013 04:13 PM (hEr50)

LOL

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:14 PM (l86i3)

99 "14 Republican women are hard to embrace. They have fat asses. Alec Baldwin"

Daddy, you're embarrassing me again.

Posted by: Selfish Pig Baldwin at February 27, 2013 04:14 PM (tAOpG)

100 If by feminism you mean doing more cooking and housework, I'm with ya. Also, more BJ's would be good, so lets include that in there as well.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 04:14 PM (4cRnj)

101
instead of calling them liberal pundits, how about liberal poo-flinger?

Fucking monkeys

Posted by: fluffy at February 27, 2013 04:14 PM (oOV2h)

102 There's a reason why there are references to different waves of feminism. Look, if you were to look at my life, I would be considered an alpha feminist. I do not consider myself a feminist at all because third wave feminism, which is nothing but a truly pathetic and bastardized form of Victorian mores, is what is currently deemed the One True Feminist way. I don't want to be associated with that in any way.


I'm torn on this. I do believe in taking back the language and I do believe in taking back terms. It's simply that I'm exhausted from fighting for years and years and years about this very subject. I guess my gut response is good luck with that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 27, 2013 04:14 PM (VtjlW)

103 of course they should. No american outside of the slutosphere is 3rd wave or beyond.

Like Lena Dunham is basically a 5th wave femmy, she knows she'll never get married to who she wants, so she beleives in slutifying the world while saving marriage for the gheys.

most 3rd and 4th waves are basically commies, useful idiots.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:14 PM (QxSug)

104 I embrace feminism every night in bed.

Posted by: Andrew at February 27, 2013 04:14 PM (HS3dy)

105 News Flash. Men and Women will never , ever be equal.
Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 04:08 PM (m2CN7)

Oh, we're equal alright. Just not interchangeable.

Posted by: As long as Mindy's little Barry-Boo is happy, that's what matters at February 27, 2013 04:14 PM (U/+f9)

106 You're not basing this on just one overheard conversation, are you?

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 27, 2013 04:14 PM (w0StH)

107 How about we women that like ourselves and like men too (I don't mean in a sexual way)? Women that think guys are silly, cool, awesome and can also be jerks. Kind of like chicks. What to call ourselves? How about not-crazy-bitter-hags?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 04:14 PM (6zgse)

108 I think every women should be forced to dress up like a vajajay in public, like those idiots a few months back. It'll be our version of the burqha

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 27, 2013 04:15 PM (XvrTA)

109 86 'menimism'?
Posted by: Joejm65 at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (UZuc4)


FKN A, I like that.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (l86i3)


That makes you a menimist. And now we're two strong. One more and we can burn our jock straps..

Posted by: Joejm65 at February 27, 2013 04:15 PM (UZuc4)

110 I'd heard once the atheists trying to confiscate the word "bright".

I remember that debacle. I think Glenn Reynolds even kind of went along with it for a bit. Mostly it made me think the professional atheists are even more smug.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 04:15 PM (B/VB5)

111 pedantic dick.

***

Check the blaze for a lesson from Islamic Poobah who explains that Christianity began as penis worship.

Posted by: Obamus Rex at February 27, 2013 04:15 PM (XUKZU)

112 I would embrace the stuffing out of some of the broads here. Put me down for a "yes" on the feminist thing.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 27, 2013 04:15 PM (7QNaf)

113 and of course waves 3 through infinity all justify their existence not on their own communist slut merits but on what the first and second wave did (the ones that most people think that feminism is).

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:15 PM (QxSug)

114 If by "feminism" we mean equal rights under the law, then yes, I'm a feminist.

Posted by: joncelli at February 27, 2013 04:11 PM (RD7QR)

I can't even agree to that because some laws cannot be justly and equally applied to both men and women because again, men and women are different.

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 04:15 PM (m2CN7)

115 No. I am a woman but I am no feminist. The thing is, even though people spout the crap about feminism just means you're for equality, in practice that is not the case. Yes, men and women should be treated equally under the law. No, men and women are not identical (I would argue we are complementary). And the feminist movement seems to always be pushing this crap that men and women are identical (but, wink wink, women are really superior) and that is just biologically incorrect. And it sets people of both sexes up for miserable failure when we expect women and men to behave identically or be capable of identical things.

So, in a nutshell, I am not a feminist. I am all for being a don't-mistreat-people-because-of-their-sex-ist. Or, in short form, a decent human being.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at February 27, 2013 04:15 PM (2wd4o)

116 Help me, OB-GYN Kenobi, you're my only hope.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 27, 2013 04:16 PM (hEr50)

117 Wheeee.eeeeee.eeee.eeee.ee.eeee.eee!!!!

Posted by: Slippery Slope of Western Civilization at February 27, 2013 04:16 PM (EZl54)

118
That makes you a menimist. And now we're two strong. One more and we can burn our jock straps..
Posted by: Joejm65 at February 27, 2013 04:15 PM (UZuc4)


Lets Go Commando........

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:16 PM (l86i3)

119 >>>LOVE the mini munchkin side bar article. If you like video games or role playing games, you owe it to yourself to check it out.

I just told Moe Lane that not two minutes ago.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 04:16 PM (LCRYB)

120 No.NJNBHN. Feminism has become far to radical to reclaim.
I want nothing to do with women who dress up as vaginas and demand free birth control, abortions, and transgendered people in the military, or who care more about women being admitted into exclusive golf clubs than real abuse that's happening to women such as child brides, female genital mutilation, stonings for adultery, and honor killings.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 27, 2013 04:16 PM (is6Me)

121 28 We should continue to embrace the concept feminism as ace defined it, but I'm less sure about the word. Even among low-info voters it is kind of tainted. Maybe we need a new word, but I'm at a loss as to what it would be. 

Agreed... Since Ace is so good at inventing new words, perhaps he has a sugsstion

Posted by: shredded chi at February 27, 2013 04:17 PM (sGw0h)

122 **114 If by "feminism" we mean equal rights under the law, then yes, I'm a feminist.**

but most feminists want superlative treatment, they want men to be second class citizens.

We should oppose the VAWA and other things that punish men, like punitive divorce laws and the creation of the certified sexual compliance class (HR departments and so on).

but whatevers

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:17 PM (QxSug)

123 1. Women are equal to men;

In what sense are they equal?

2. Women's values and beliefs are just as important as men's;

What are "womens' values and beliefs" and how do they different from men's in a way that matters?

3. Women have, or ought to have, ambitions equal to men.

Meaning what? As many women should want to be engineers as women? As many men should want to be homemakers as women?

I'm all in favor of saying 'Sure, we're feminists' and coming up with what we mean by feminism. The 85% of the country has a loose idea at best of what they mean. But I'd like to know just what those three standards cash out to.

Posted by: Crude at February 27, 2013 04:17 PM (eLtHg)

124 speaking of which, i need to head to the garden center for manure.

bl

Posted by: willow-ette at February 27, 2013 04:17 PM (nqBYe)

125
When i watch shows that toss these labels about i always want a guest to respsond,
"i don't know if Label-X applies to me because i don't think it has an agreed to meaning. How would YOU define it?"

Posted by: Scotland at February 27, 2013 04:17 PM (SO2Q8)

126 Sure, eventually, as we continue to balkanize into smaller and smaller exclusive interest groups, we will come back around to individualism again.
.
Except it will be a strange form of 'individual micro-victimism.'
.
'I'm a member of the Committee to End the Oppression of People Named Ted who live between G and H streets on 17th.'

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 27, 2013 04:17 PM (NEk2w)

127

Dunno why, but all this talk of feminism reminded me of this video:

http://tinyurl.com/cfdey6u

tribute to janis via melissa and joss

I guess I'm a feminist. And, love bare feet.

Posted by: barefoot on the beach at February 27, 2013 04:17 PM (XYSwB)

128 Only if we call the libtard scrunts 'wymmynysts'.


Damn Welsh & their abuse of consanants!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2013 04:18 PM (GFM2b)

129
Can we retake the work 'gay' too?

Just so i can sing the Flintstones theme song?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 27, 2013 04:18 PM (SO2Q8)

130 "1. Women are equal to men; and
2. Women's values and beliefs are just as important as men's; and
3. Women have, or ought to have, ambitions equal to men."

Okay, I have no problem with #2.

As far as #1 goes, I would add "under the law," "in the sight of God," or "in abilities." Or something. Women are not equal to men in the sense of being identical and interchangeable. Science!

#3? Women OUGHT to have ambitions equal to men? What the hell does that mean? Laura Bush OUGHT to want to be president?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 27, 2013 04:19 PM (C8mVl)

131 Oh, we're equal alright. Just not interchangeable.>>


Case in point men on average are stronger than women. How many of you guys would get in the ring with Ronda Rousey the new MMA champ.

And since it's AoSHQ there will be no jello wrestling.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 27, 2013 04:19 PM (81UWZ)

132 Nerdygirl @ 75 wins.

I think I have a new crush

Posted by: Truman North at February 27, 2013 04:19 PM (lD8G6)

133 I just told Moe Lane that not two minutes ago.

Posted by: ace


Putting on airs you guys.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 04:19 PM (4cRnj)

134 Feminism undervalues the traditional role of women.

It only honors one choice and tries to force that choice.

It also thinks that it is heavily dependent on abortion and will not let go of that at any cost.

That's why it's not embraceable to some.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 04:19 PM (r2PLg)

135 66
We can give the Marxists the term "vaginist". It's more applicable.



Posted by: Roy at February 27, 2013 04:09 PM (VndSC)

Awesome. I'll be using that in the future.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's hi-cap assault diaphragm at February 27, 2013 04:19 PM (7xeJQ)

136
"I clearly remember listening to (not participating in) a conversation between two low-information female friends of mine in which they both declared themselves "feminist.""





I just stood there. Passively. Didn't say a word.

You see, the women had defined an interaction space I'd never dream of violating with some male attempt to dominate the conversation.

Why yes, I do wear a lot of corduroy. How did you know?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 27, 2013 04:19 PM (kdS6q)

137 Er, as many women should want to be engineers as men, that is.

Posted by: Crude at February 27, 2013 04:20 PM (eLtHg)

138 Hmmm. Let's see:

The Right has been losing major elections by becoming more Big Tent-y Moderate.



Obviously the solution is:

Even MORE Big Tent-y Moderate-ism Guys!

Posted by: Pyrrhic Victory at February 27, 2013 04:20 PM (ntNJz)

139 I know, right?! It would make me look like a Sexy Pirate.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 04:03 PM (LCRYB)



I will totally chip in on kickstarter to get you a parrot.

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 27, 2013 04:20 PM (VtjlW)

140 How many of you guys would get in the ring with Ronda Rousey the new MMA champ.


_______________

I really want to learn that arm bar technique.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 04:20 PM (r2PLg)

141 I believe in liberty regardless of gender

Posted by: thunderb at February 27, 2013 04:20 PM (Oc9Xf)

142 This won't work. Sarah Palin called herself a feminist and the card carrying feminists went nuts and proclaimed that she wasn't one bc she is prolife. Modern feminism demands that you support free abortions and free birth control. that's all they care about.

Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2013 04:21 PM (0PiQ4)

143 I have daughters. I want them to be ladies, not men with boobs. I have tap danced my ass off, jumped though hoops of fire and changed my way of life for the lady that I love. Why? Cause she's a lady. You can have equal rights and still be a lady. That's where I think it's lost.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:21 PM (l86i3)

144 I will totally chip in on kickstarter to get you a parrot.
Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 27, 2013 04:20 PM (VtjlW)

____________

Only if he names it--Mika.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 04:21 PM (r2PLg)

145 New Wave Feminists for Life is a feminist group I support.

Posted by: Lauren at February 27, 2013 04:21 PM (wsGWu)

146
>>>How many of you guys would get in the ring with Ronda Rousey the new MMA champ.


By ring I assume you mean kitchen

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 04:21 PM (4cRnj)

147 140 How many of you guys would get in the ring with Ronda Rousey the new MMA champ.


_______________

I really want to learn that arm bar technique.

What, am I going to have weigh 130 pounds?

what a stupid thing to say.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:21 PM (QxSug)

148 beach party,
Feminists don't believe in equal treatment. They want special treatment.
Women are under represented as engineers? We need special programs to get women into engineering. Women statistically make less per year than men? We need to ignore the fact that women spend fewer hours per week on the job, and take time out from their careers for child rearing. Women make a choice to work for a religion that opposes contraception and, therefore, offer insurance that doesn't cover contraceptives? We need an executive order forcing said religion's insurance to provide free contraceptives.

Not equal treatment, special treatment. I'm not a victim, I don't need special treatment, and I don't want to be associated with feminism.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 27, 2013 04:22 PM (tAOpG)

149 Feminism is a death cult. Why would I want to associate with that? There has gotta be a better way of engaging with the culture, if that is what this is all about.

Posted by: Rule #2 at February 27, 2013 04:22 PM (CypDC)

150 Can I get a free govt sex change if I adopt this position?

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 27, 2013 04:22 PM (/gHaE)

151 3. Women have, or ought to have, ambitions equal to men.

Women should be able to pursue whatever ambitions they like (whether it's being a homemaker, doctor, whatever) and also be able to face whatever consequences arise from that.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 04:22 PM (6zgse)

152 Case in point men on average are stronger than women. How many of you guys would get in the ring with Ronda Rousey the new MMA champ. And since it's AoSHQ there will be no jello wrestling.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 27, 2013 04:19 PM (81UWZ)

What's the purse? no pun intended.

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 04:22 PM (m2CN7)

153 That's the problem. First off, Feminism never meant that. It was always a "rebellion against the patriarchy." In the early days, if you were a male who agreed that women deserved equal political rights, you were on the side of the Feminists, but no one would ever have called you a Feminist.

Now, though, "Feminism" hides behind that nice rosy perception while Feminists (as a rule) are actually for anything but "equal treatment." They want special consideration and privileges.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 04:10 PM (xN73L)



you do get my quote was pulled from the urban dictionary, right?

hehe

Posted by: barefoot on the beach at February 27, 2013 04:22 PM (XYSwB)

154 I'm actually more interested in co-opting the Free Love movement.
.
Wait, does that mean what I think it means? That means 'free as in beer,' right?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 27, 2013 04:22 PM (NEk2w)

155
Well, since I adopted the term "sex holes" (hey, thanks for coining that one, Sven007) for constant overuse in my everyday conversations, I don't think my opinion on feminism is going to be...what's the word...helpful.

Feminists: Making sex holes less fun since 1963.

Posted by: Jaws at February 27, 2013 04:22 PM (4I3Uo)

156 >>>Meaning what? As many women should want to be engineers as women? As many men should want to be homemakers as women?

you're talking an entirely different language than the average low-information female voter. She's talking about simply asserting that she has value, and you're talking about the details of hypothetical legislation.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 04:23 PM (LCRYB)

157 This is sort of the SWPL signifying that teh GOP is tearing itself apart over?

As if the election was about any of this.

Demographics, not stupid leftwing cultural movements.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:23 PM (QxSug)

158 Also these gawd damn feminist pigs only believe in feminism on the small scale and for white folks.


Muslim women getting bagged in burkas and stoned--

pffffffttt.

Gawd damn phonies.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 04:23 PM (r2PLg)

159 How many of you guys would get in the ring with Ronda Rousey the new MMA champ.


Ring? No, Bed, Absolutely. If she could act she would make the perfect Amy Lynn.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:23 PM (l86i3)

160 I just found out my asshole is smarter than me. No good reason, guys!

Posted by: Donna Brazile's Va-JayJay at February 27, 2013 04:23 PM (ntNJz)

161 138 well no. you could probably find some persuadable people who were convinced Mitt Romney was the most extreme extremist in all extremia. perception 'n all that.

the solution isn't More Purity or More Moderation, it's more winning the Rust Belt

Posted by: JDP at February 27, 2013 04:23 PM (60GaT)

162 In my experience (insert warning about anecdotes and data) most women who embrace the term Feminist are not actually about Equality, and Equal Rights, and Equal Pay For Equal Work.

They may say that's "All they want," but when you point out, "Okay... so in most cases you've got that. You've even got special legal protections for them to boot." They ALWAYS say, "But that's not enough."

I suspect that, if you made them face their dark, inner selves that they try so hard to repress, they would be just as much anti-man (again: still talking about the ones who claim to be feminists but also claim not to be "against men") as the Left wing Femo-Marxists. The difference being they're ashamed to admit it, where the harridans on the left embrace it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 04:24 PM (xN73L)

163 Case in point men on average are stronger than women. How many of you
guys would get in the ring with Ronda Rousey the new MMA champ.


Didn't she win an olympic medal in Judo? Think I'd pass on the opportunity.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 27, 2013 04:24 PM (KjlbF)

164 know, right?! It would make me look like a Sexy Pirate.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 04:03 PM (LCRYB)


I will totally chip in on kickstarter to get you a parrot.
Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 27, 2013 04:20 PM (VtjlW)



need the Seinfeld puffy shirt

Posted by: barefoot on the beach at February 27, 2013 04:24 PM (XYSwB)

165
Titanic.

Deck Chairs.

Don't bother.

Posted by: L'andrew at February 27, 2013 04:24 PM (1Y+hH)

166 I've been under the impression myself that feminism is starting to take on a rather bad connotation. Maybe that's just me in my conservative world, but all the women I know don't seem to like to associate with this word. In a strictly libertarian sense I don't have a problem with it. In a social sense I do though. Feminism is responsible for creating a long list of mental disorders. This is something that is heavily studied now and professionals are pointing fingers at feminism. The fact is we are different biologically. Our bodies are different, our minds are different. Women have been encouraged and pressured to pursue things that frankly they aren't naturally inclined to... and as a result things like depression and anxiety are on the rise big time. It's like that line from Jurassic Park... "so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. "

Posted by: Andrew at February 27, 2013 04:25 PM (HS3dy)

167 The phrase I use with my two children is, "it's not equal but it is fair." They need and deserve different things because they are not in any way the same thing.

Posted by: Truman North at February 27, 2013 04:25 PM (lD8G6)

168 I'm embracing "Christ killer." Takin' it back.

Of course I rationally understand that in real life using the term even neutrally is mostly free advertising for antisemitism, but it's the principle of the thing, y'know?

And I'll probably have to spend a lot of my time from now on making loopy conditional statements about exactly what "Christ killer" means when I call myself one and who really decides what it means and etc., standing athwart history yelling "Me too!" for probably in sum years of my life, but I'm a strong independent sort-of-Jew, and people need to know that about me.

No matter what it costs other people.

Posted by: oblig. at February 27, 2013 04:25 PM (cePv8)

169 102 ---"I'm torn on this. I do believe in taking back the language and I do believe in taking back terms. It's simply that I'm exhausted from fighting for years and years and years about this very subject. I guess my gut response is good luck with that."

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 27, 2013 04:14 PM (VtjlW)
---------------
THIS.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 27, 2013 04:25 PM (C8mVl)

170 Not equal treatment, special treatment. I'm not a victim, I don't need special treatment, and I don't want to be associated with feminism.
Posted by: nerdygirl at February 27, 2013 04:22 PM (tAOpG)


Hear, hear!

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 04:25 PM (6zgse)

171 If Republicans take over feminism, do feminists lose their Presidential Kneepads?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 27, 2013 04:25 PM (NEk2w)

172 Ace,


You want to play Phil "I lactate too" Donahue, or Alan "Manapause" Alda in this skit?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 04:25 PM (LRFds)

173 the white leftwing women backpat project is going on this month, "celebrating" all that Hillary! and Steinem has "done" for us.

see the stupid "Women Got Fed Up With Bad Sex And Being Secretaries. Then This Happened."

Um, secretary is still the #1 job for the ladies, and 2 the sex is still bad. Who are they fooling?

Rush is right, feminism is just about the advancement of ugly women. So, let's just strip away the credentialist, self-congratulatory aspect of the need for ugly women to get real jobs (note that feminists rarely become doctors or engineers, they still go into HR or become activists who rely on their husbands to suceeed).

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:25 PM (QxSug)

174 Ooh, a hangover sock. Out of there!

Posted by: Meremortal at February 27, 2013 04:25 PM (1Y+hH)

175 I have daughters. I want them to be ladies, not men with boobs. I have tap danced my ass off, jumped though hoops of fire and changed my way of life for the lady that I love. Why? Cause she's a lady. You can have equal rights and still be a lady. That's where I think it's lost.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:21 PM (l86i3)



Oh, yes.

Posted by: barefoot on the beach at February 27, 2013 04:26 PM (XYSwB)

176 147 140 How many of you guys would get in the ring with Ronda Rousey the new MMA champ.


_______________

I really want to learn that arm bar technique.

What, am I going to have weigh 130 pounds?

what a stupid thing to say.
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:21
PM (QxSug)

_____________


Sorry I was quoting and answering someone up thread.

My only contribution was the bolded part.

I would like to learn that arm bar technique.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 04:26 PM (r2PLg)

177 I also don't care for the men vs. women mentality that is implicit in feminsism. How is this any different from the mindset that creates/sees groups by race? All women don't think alike, and we don't all define things/interpret the world through the prism of gender.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 27, 2013 04:26 PM (is6Me)

178 I just found out my asshole is smarter than me. No good reason, guys!
Posted by: Donna Brazile's Va-JayJay


I'll bet it spews less shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2013 04:26 PM (GFM2b)

179 I also don't like all this feminist crap about the vagina. Vagina Monologues, vagina costumes, vote with your vagina. Those idiots need to get over themselves.
It's a body part for chrissakes.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 27, 2013 04:27 PM (tAOpG)

180
Can I get a free govt sex change if I adopt this position?
Posted by: @PurpAv




No -- you might want to lean over just a taaaad more....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 27, 2013 04:27 PM (kdS6q)

181 Don't feminists have to have hairy armpits or look like a dyke?

Posted by: Knuckle-dragging Bitter Clinger at February 27, 2013 04:27 PM (4S7hN)

182 Fucking monkeys

I hate em!

Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 04:27 PM (3Aqe5)

183 It's a body part for chrissakes.
Posted by: nerdygirl at February 27, 2013 04:27 PM (tAOpG)


Yep, my favorite body part in the whole wide world.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:27 PM (l86i3)

184
By feminist you mean ugly broad who can't get laid, right?








Fuck you, all sex is rape. How dare you imply otherwise.

And all men should find 300lb bipolar women with unwashed hair to be teh hawt, you bastards.

Posted by: Zombie Andrea Dworkin at February 27, 2013 04:28 PM (TIIx5)

185 BTW, just to be an ass I'd like to point out that women have been allowed into the PGA since the 1930s and in all that time not a single one has even scored well enough to even compete much less win the title.

Posted by: Andrew at February 27, 2013 04:28 PM (HS3dy)

186 Nerdygirl, do you have a newsletter? If so, I would kindly like to subscribe.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 04:28 PM (6zgse)

187 If we can subvert the definition of feminist to allow us to convince liberals to support the 2nd Amendment by pointing out that a women with a Glock won't be raped (and one with "the whistle" will) and to make people feel better about Predatoring Islamists by pointing out how sexist (burqas and acid-in-schoolgirls-faces anyone?) terrorists are, then hell yes lets embrace feminism.

Posted by: Danny at February 27, 2013 04:28 PM (YoqPl)

188 I think the consensus, is "Yes, why not." Next topic ACE.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 04:28 PM (gmeXX)

189 It's a body part for chrissakes.

**cues the music from Jeopardy***

**waits for reprise of epic cooter rant**

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 27, 2013 04:28 PM (KjlbF)

190 121
28We should continue to embrace the concept feminism as ace defined it,
but I'm less sure about the word. Even among low-info voters it is kind
of tainted. Maybe we need a new word, but I'm at a loss as to what it
would be.



Agreed... Since Ace is so good at inventing new words, perhaps he has a sugsstion

Posted by: shredded chi at February 27, 2013 04:17 PM (sGw0h)

So maybe "chickism" or "babeism" or "hoism"? Or maybe not?

Posted by: joncelli at February 27, 2013 04:29 PM (RD7QR)

191 For me the really sickening part of it all is supposedly how many so-called 'feminist' democrat women vote for candidates based on 'gina tingles.

Clinton was merely the moist glaring example.


Posted by: esch at February 27, 2013 04:29 PM (9XVgh)

192 -
Have Ann Coulter do a follow-up to the Enjoli commercial?

That sort of thing?

-

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 27, 2013 04:29 PM (J8DGo)

193 Yeah, let's embrace feminism and all the other identity politics -ism's . Let's hug it , squeeze it and drink with breakfast every morning.

Let's make ourselves more "pop-culturally relevant" and watch Girls and talk about the loss of Tupac in hushed reverent tones as per Malor or Meghan McCain I forget which.

Let's teach more of this vapid "equal" BS to our kids so that they can maintain the Disney illusion of a magical , free land , populated by unicorns and friendly dinosaurs and doctors who only accept " for smiles and love" for their work.

Is there even such a thing as a "right wing" anymore?

#getoffmylawn


Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at February 27, 2013 04:29 PM (EZl54)

194
And all men should find 300lb bipolar women with unwashed hair to be teh hawt, you bastards.
Posted by: Zombie Andrea Dworkin at February 27, 2013 04:28 PM (TIIx5)

I'm here fo ya Baby!

Posted by: Skinny Black Man at February 27, 2013 04:29 PM (l86i3)

195 But most of those who claim the title "feminist" are more interested in keeping abortion legal, but are too "butt-ugly" to need one.

Posted by: Pres**ent Barack “Unexpectedly Humble” Obama at February 27, 2013 04:29 PM (e8kgV)

196 the 130lb thing vs the arm bar.

I want a refund for the last UFC, why was the Hendo fight only 3 rounds but armbar bitches given a hypothetical 5?

IDK, I saw Jackass 2.0 and that thai kickboxing girl weighed all of 100 pounds but she's brutal. Maybe I should be scared of 130 pound Rosey or Carano, but I'm not.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:29 PM (QxSug)

197 17 LackeyUnderalls,

Lacey no he is not not really.

Lacey, *I* am a "feminist."

My wife was making more money than me the first time her contract came up and we had a 7 month old baby. My "man card balls" told me to get her out and try to get back on at my airline, but she blinked and she was right later that year my airline died. I have been dutiful hearth stoker for my soldier for 13 more years....

I do look forward to going out and being primary earner again, but my duty to my family required gender neutrality in our analysis.

If "feminism" is female "equality" then yes like "racial equality" I am for it....

hell I have always been for it.

If the best man for a job is a woman hire her, black yellow red white....

gay, lesbian, bi, hetero...

I am a genuine merit based utilitarian....

it is why I am rapidly arriving at the conclusion this is not my country anymore.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 04:30 PM (LRFds)

198 Pretty sure I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Transperson-that's me.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at February 27, 2013 04:30 PM (X+nFp)

199 Ever since the election all I hear is:

WE HAVE TO EMBRACE THE CULTURE!
WE HAVE TO EMBRACE THE CULTURE!
WE HAVE TO EMBRACE THE CULTURE!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 27, 2013 04:30 PM (pLTLS)

200
- 178I'll bet it spews less shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2013 04:26 PM (GFM2b)




Hey, how did you know? No good reason guys!

Posted by: Donna Brazile's Va-JayJay at February 27, 2013 04:30 PM (ntNJz)

201 185 BTW, just to be an ass I'd like to point out that women have been allowed into the PGA since the 1930s and in all that time not a single one has even scored well enough to even compete much less win the title.
Posted by: Andrew at February 27, 2013 04:28 PM (HS3dy)


Not being an ass. Women and men are physically different, among other difference.

Like this whole women in the front lines of combat thing? Call me when women are competing in men's track and field, swimming, etc. events at the Olympics.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 04:30 PM (6zgse)

202 I keep seeing people say "most feminists..." and then fill in the blank with something that is espoused or done by a vocal minority. We can even often tell it's a minority, like the slut walk thingy. It comes across like atheists saying "most Christians..." and then filling it in with something they heard their neighbors friend say they heard Pat Robertson say. Yes, there are loud extremist feminists who put up sites like Jezebel and taint words like feminism, perhaps beyond repair, but it's a bit much to say that it's most.

Posted by: Jenny tries too hard and also hates her phone at February 27, 2013 04:30 PM (U7v0V)

203 Imagine the media shitstorm if, say, Marco Rubio was spotted wearing one of those too-SWPL-for-thou "This is what a feminist looks like" T-shirts.

In fact, it would be so delicious I think he should do it.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 04:30 PM (B/VB5)

204 So Conservative Women are stupid, barefoot, Pregnant and subservient or something?The word feminist has a nasty connotation to me. Makes me think of bitter dried up old shrews who have nothing positive in their lives.Labels suck... Just my two cents worth though...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 27, 2013 04:30 PM (9+ccr)

205 Other differences.

Sigh.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 04:30 PM (6zgse)

206 I reject the feminist agenda, so please. No.

Posted by: mama winger at February 27, 2013 04:31 PM (P6QsQ)

207 **185 BTW, just to be an ass I'd like to point out that women have been allowed into the PGA since the 1930s and in all that time not a single one has even scored well enough to even compete much less win the title.**

I think it's sexist to keep men out of LPGA events. We are in the minority, you know. We should get special rights. I look forward to the day when Tiger can play from the wimp tees.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:31 PM (QxSug)

208 "All a matter of definition.
Posted by: joncelli "

And the definition has,and will continue to be, controlled by the media.
If you aren't gung ho about promoting abortion, you aren't a feminist according to them.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 27, 2013 04:31 PM (tAOpG)

209 -

Vote With Your Coc -- cyx.

If the candidate is, at best, a vestigial remnant, then don't vote for him or her.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 27, 2013 04:31 PM (J8DGo)

210 ...sent too soon...

WTF does 'WE HAVE TO EMBRACE THE CULTURE!' even mean? No one can define it but this is the push we decided to go with after our November loss? It's stupid.

Why not try to explain to people why embracing liberty and the free market system would exponentially increase the overall quality of life?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 27, 2013 04:32 PM (pLTLS)

211 I have daughters. I want them to be ladies, not men with boobs. I have tap danced my ass off, jumped though hoops of fire and changed my way of life for the lady that I love. Why? Cause she's a lady. You can have equal rights and still be a lady. That's where I think it's lost.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:21 PM (l86i3)


-------------------------------------------------


Yup. I will try to offer the world at the feet of a lady.

If she wants to act like a man, then she can go fucking find it herself.

Posted by: Soona at February 27, 2013 04:32 PM (+k5d1)

212 191
For me the really sickening part of it all is supposedly how many
so-called 'feminist' democrat women vote for candidates based on 'gina
tingles.

Clinton was merely the moist glaring example.




Posted by: esch at February 27, 2013 04:29 PM (9XVgh)


Perfect typo?



Posted by: Tami at February 27, 2013 04:32 PM (X6akg)

213 184

By feminist you mean ugly broad who can't get laid, right?



I know. Right?

Wait. Wut?

No good answer guys.

Posted by: Donna Brazile's Va-JayJay at February 27, 2013 04:32 PM (ntNJz)

214
"I also don't like all this feminist crap about the vagina. Vagina Monologues, vagina costumes, vote with your vagina. Those idiots need to get over themselves.
It's a body part for chrissakes. "

Please refrain from using the V-word.

It's a sex hole. One of several.

Posted by: Jaws at February 27, 2013 04:32 PM (4I3Uo)

215 Tiger can play from the wimp tees.
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:31 PM (QxSug)

Yeah, nothing like teeing off with a 5 iron on a par 5.

Posted by: Skinny Black Man at February 27, 2013 04:32 PM (l86i3)

216 151 ---"Women should be able to pursue whatever ambitions they like (whether it's being a homemaker, doctor, whatever) and also be able to face whatever consequences arise from that."

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 04:22 PM (6zgse)
-----------------
Yes! And I love the second clause about facing consequences.
If I choose to be a home-maker, thus foregoing extra income, I should accept that, not whine and expect working people to subsidize me.
If I choose to work, I shouldn't burden my co-workers by ditching the office every time little Susie needs the snot wiped off her nose.
etc., etc., etc.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 27, 2013 04:32 PM (C8mVl)

217 "Pretty sure I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. Transperson-that's me."

If I had my own pair of boobs I'd never get out of the shower.

Posted by: Andrew at February 27, 2013 04:32 PM (HS3dy)

218 "I also don't like all this feminist crap about the vagina."
*********
THIS!!!
They're worse than navel gazers IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 27, 2013 04:32 PM (is6Me)

219 >>>would get in the ring with Ronda Rousey the new MMA champ

Her fighting weight is 136lbs. Mine is 220. Albeit I'm a bit out of shape, not a lot but a bit. It would take a few months to get into fighting shape. But it isn't undoable.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 04:32 PM (0q2P7)

220 All people want is free stuff. All this other stuff is cover to give people a reason to vote for the party of free stuff because there is still a little shame in saying you simply want free stuff. Better to tell others there is a more noble reason to votefor the liberals. Though, I note that this is going by the wayside. Most voters don't give a crap about any of this. They certainly don't care about respect. And freedom and liberty don't mean much to them either because economicfreedom is arguably the most important, but if you have no property, what does it matter.They want free stuff - that's about it.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 04:33 PM (gmeXX)

221 If the best man for a job is a woman hire her, black yellow red white.

You can blow libs' minds by explaining that pure capitalism cannot be racist, sexist, or homophobic. Because why would you willingly give away potential top employees or customers to your competitors?

Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 04:33 PM (B/VB5)

222 I'm old school but I like the responsibility to be the breadwinner, to be the protector, to treat the one I love like a queen. I like the sayng behind everygreat man is a great woman. I like that a woman is a comforter and a man likes to fix problems. I like thata woman expects to be treated with respect and man is expectedby society to do so.I like unconditional love.

Feminism no matter how much you waterdown thedefinition doesn't embrace any of this.

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 04:33 PM (m2CN7)

223 Sorry in advance for the long read. (and about posting it on the wrong thread earlier). Oops.

The Democrats, Obama and blue states don't want to empower women. If you want to empower women, buy them a pistol/ammo , teach them how to accurately and safely shoot it , then help them get a CHL.

My wife took her CHL (Concealed handgun license) class , written test and shooting qualification yesterday. She passed with flying colors. She is walking around here puffed up like a bantam rooster and is very happy. I am very proud of her too.

The instructor told me she got a perfect score on the shooting practical (250 points out of 250 possible on the 50 shot timed test). He said she shoots better than he does. I told him I had her shooting at a 4 inch diameter spinner (about the size of a human heart) from 15 yards (max distance on the test) and after some practice she could hit it every time, so the trials at 3 and 7 yards and hitting that 8 ring or better were a piece of cake. Heck most of her shots were in the bullseye with a few in the 9 ring and 2 in the 8 ring. I also had her shooting 1 shot per second (twice as fast the test). She whined about it and didn't like it too much, but it sure made her a better shootist.

He didn't like her 1 handed grip, but I told him "I trained her like that on purpose because next I was going to teach her how to shoot with a pistol in each hand, Texas gunslinger style (a double duelist, pistol packing mama)". He just laughed.

The test is timed, you have to get off a series of 50 shots in so many seconds from 3 distances (3, 7 and 15 yards). Here is her target. 175 is the minimum passing score. They want you to shoot center of mass.

That's just one example of Empowering women....She now has a murder, mugging and rape free zone that extends 15 yards in any direction around her. She doesn't have to be beholding to, or fear any man a putting hands on or abusing her. She is woman, hear her pistols roar!

In my experience that's a lot more effective than the whistle, or Judo lessons Obama and the Democrats want women to have.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at February 27, 2013 04:33 PM (cCxiu)

224 GOP lost the country because we lost the idea of cultural confidence. We assumed that even if we let teachers unions teach whatever pink commie shit they wanted that people would see through it.

but nope, lack of cultural confidence (and other things) lost the USA its direction.

So, embrace feminism? Sure, we're down with waves 1-2, I guess. We need to decertify the idiot 3rd plus waves.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:33 PM (QxSug)

225 ~ ahem ~

In my dreams,
you're all I sees.
Boobs, butt, and knees,
be my main squeeze.

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Pre-transmogrified Steve Dallas, that is.

Posted by: Steve Dallas - Bloom County at February 27, 2013 04:33 PM (J8DGo)

226 HA!

Trending:
#DonnaBrazileMysteries

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2013 04:33 PM (Ipj15)

227 I'm so liberated I don't care who or what eats me, guys.


Or gals.

Posted by: S.E. Cupp's Meat Curtains at February 27, 2013 04:34 PM (ntNJz)

228 202

it's not about "most." it's that this is feminism consistently applied.

i take things as what they are, not what we want them to be.

Posted by: JDP at February 27, 2013 04:34 PM (60GaT)

229 212

Perfect typo?


Heheh yeah saw that after I hit post.

Posted by: esch at February 27, 2013 04:34 PM (9XVgh)

230 We should 'embrace and extend' feminism, like Micosoft does with industry standards.
.
Also rap music, start with Weird Al and MC 900 Foot Jesus.
.
Then, we move on to a sitcom about college republicans.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 27, 2013 04:34 PM (NEk2w)

231 Her fighting weight is 136lbs. Mine is 220. Albeit I'm a bit out of shape, not a lot but a bit. It would take a few months to get into fighting shape. But it isn't undoable.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 04:32 PM (0q2P7)


Trust me Dude, she'd beat you to FKN death.

Posted by: Skinny Black Man at February 27, 2013 04:34 PM (l86i3)

232 beach party,
Feminists don't believe in equal treatment. They want special treatment.
Women are under represented as engineers? We need special programs to get women into engineering. Women statistically make less per year than men? We need to ignore the fact that women spend fewer hours per week on the job, and take time out from their careers for child rearing. Women make a choice to work for a religion that opposes contraception and, therefore, offer insurance that doesn't cover contraceptives? We need an executive order forcing said religion's insurance to provide free contraceptives.

Not equal treatment, special treatment. I'm not a victim, I don't need special treatment, and I don't want to be associated with feminism.
Posted by: nerdygirl at February 27, 2013 04:22 PM (tAOpG)



LOL, where did this rant come from? Ahaha.

Sorry, drinking my scotch on my bday, and quoted urban dictionary, which is tongue and cheek humor, and (low information voter?) commenters take it seriously? Sorry, laughing.

Posted by: barefoot on the beach at February 27, 2013 04:34 PM (XYSwB)

233 Feminists blather on about "choice", but when one of us makes a choice they don't like - like staying home to raise a family - you're kicked out of the club (just look at how they sneered at Palin).

Posted by: Lizzy at February 27, 2013 04:34 PM (is6Me)

234 **Her fighting weight is 136lbs. Mine is 220. **

right...that arm bar power is not going to be as strong when you can curl her body weight.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:35 PM (QxSug)

235 Feminism You Guys.

Posted by: Brendan at February 27, 2013 04:35 PM (2jQGY)

236 We control the language. Also the vertical AND the horizontal.

Posted by: MFM at February 27, 2013 04:35 PM (QupBk)

237 Because why would you willingly give away potential top employees or customers to your competitors?
--------------

Because Fuck You, inshallah. Next Question.

Posted by: Nations with Sharia laws. at February 27, 2013 04:35 PM (J8DGo)

238
I believe in mining and harvesting for all kinds of minerals and liquids and food stuffs from Mother Earth. I'm a feminist. Also I like boobs.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 04:35 PM (p/cQy)

239 No, we shouldn't embrace the term feminist. It's ceding the premise to the left, at which point we've lost.

You were so close to getting it with your take on the onion joke earlier in the week.

Posted by: nitpicker at February 27, 2013 04:36 PM (mJ950)

240 As for the militant anti-abortionists on here, you can point out that Susan B. Anthony was vehemently against abortion and she was one of the earliest feminists.

It's annoying hearing people talk about the "erosion" of the traditional family unit. If you believe in that, NO ONE is preventing that. Parents forget that they have the power to influence their kids by example. How many of us know conservatives who are divorced because of reasonable reasons like a cheating spouse? I know quite a few and its unreasonable to assume that every marriage must be preserved at all costs-this often makes life miserable for everyone. I'm glad that feminists made it so you can't smack a chicks ass at the office or can actually divorce if your spouse is a shitbag-although yes in many ways feminism has gone too far (Title VII cough cough).

Still, feminists can be liberals or conservatives and aren't just whiny whores on their periods (ala Cartman) i.e. Wolff getting "offended" that Katy Perry joins the Marine Corps in one of her music videos. If the Left gets to subvert all our shit, why lets do the same to them. Make them defend and attempt to redefine the very words and concepts they assumed to be invulnerable. (Because really, trying to sell young people on being "anti feminist" is a sure fire way for disaster, but defining feminism along more conservative lines might actually work.)

Posted by: Danny at February 27, 2013 04:37 PM (YoqPl)

241 Feminist theory demeans and lessens women simply by its existence. The notion that women have to be the same as men reinforces the idea that men are the preferable gender, and that women must mimic them in every way in order to be validated. Feminist theory by its existence negates the inherent worth of females by saying they must conform to the image of males, take on their roles, their identity, their purpose. Feminism by definition is anti-woman.

Posted by: mama winger at February 27, 2013 04:37 PM (P6QsQ)

242 I recall a poll showing that only one third of women considered themselves feminists. That might be an outdated poll.

If the word carries some sway, maybe we can take it and co-opt it. Make it mean Independence from Government Control.

Posted by: CJ at February 27, 2013 04:37 PM (9KqcB)

243 I say fuck feminism and celebrate the Lady.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:37 PM (l86i3)

244 @laceyunderalls

exactly

Why do I have to call the sick parade of Honey Boo Boo nation's warped fever dreams on the stupid-vision "culture"?

People who live in mud huts have more actual culture than the North American FSA .

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at February 27, 2013 04:37 PM (EZl54)

245 I'm old school but I like the responsibility to be the breadwinner, to be the protector, to treat the one I love like a queen. I like the sayng behind everygreat man is a great woman. I like that a woman is a comforter and a man likes to fix problems. I like thata woman expects to be treated with respect and man is expectedby society to do so.I like unconditional love.

Feminism no matter how much you waterdown thedefinition doesn't embrace any of this.
Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 04:33 PM (m2CN7)


I agree with your sentiments, but the fact is that in the past, women were treated as second-class citizens, e.g., not being able to vote or being screwed if they weren't married. So it's nice we have equal rights now. I think that could be viewed as a kind of feminism.

I don't think that feminism has to involve embracing man-hate. But that is what the connotation of the word is now, and I don't know if it's worth trying to reclaim the word.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 04:37 PM (6zgse)

246 No one of the most unforgiveable...look I'm on my way out the door but later maybe...

Romney had an opportunity to nutpunch Ogabe on feminism...but he didn't he played it safe...

I'm Sven "I lactate too" Donahue...I'll be back after this,.....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 04:37 PM (LRFds)

247 Her fighting weight is 136lbs. Mine is 220. Albeit I'm a bit out of
shape, not a lot but a bit. It would take a few months to get into
fighting shape. But it isn't undoable.>>

I was only pointing out that there is overlap in the men vs women thing in a lot of areas. That many men would beat her no doubt that she could beat many men was more the point. And shes kinda cute and in the news.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 27, 2013 04:37 PM (81UWZ)

248 **237 Because why would you willingly give away potential top employees or customers to your competitors? **

Maybe this was a problem 30 years ago or whatever, but now it's a punitive anti-male system that does, in the real world, force men out of positions of power.

A lot of reverse discrimination out there, so to speak.

So, what are we even talking about. Fems want to continue to punish men. This hurts american companies.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:38 PM (QxSug)

249 Feminist?

Last feminist I knew got ripped apart by the media, democrats and some in our party.

Let me know when they're ready to accept a feminist and I'll be right there with them.

Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2013 04:38 PM (ZDsRL)

250 241 Feminist theory demeans and lessens women simply by its existence. The notion that women have to be the same as men reinforces the idea that men are the preferable gender, and that women must mimic them in every way in order to be validated. Feminist theory by its existence negates the inherent worth of females by saying they must conform to the image of males, take on their roles, their identity, their purpose. Feminism by definition is anti-woman.
Posted by: mama winger at February 27, 2013 04:37 PM (P6QsQ)



::STANDING OVATION::

Thank you, mama!

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at February 27, 2013 04:40 PM (2wd4o)

251
If I made a giant penis out of all the snow in my back yard right now.... say a twelve foot tall snow penis...... would code pink come over in their vagina outfits to party on my lawn? Or would those feminazis demonize me for being an extremist part of the patriarchy and protest on my front sidewalk?

Do the terrorists win either way?

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at February 27, 2013 04:40 PM (OlV9H)

252 I wonder if we are fighting the wrong battles. This is where Bush was right and Carson is right. We need to make more owners. Owners are better than renters, in general. We need to start bribing people with things. The dems do this, but they do it with controls. Maybe we should give it to people without controls, or with fewer controls. I don't know how to do this. I think it could work with education vouchers (though it needs to be packaged and marketed differently). It could be done by maybe offering each individual a gun. We have totally given up property rights in this country because too few now have any property worth protecting. What if the GOP promised another homestead act to lower income people? Just some rambling thoughts.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 04:40 PM (gmeXX)

253 maybe someone else read this thing I vaguely remember from a few weeks ago, that feminism as a concept has failed because the # of top performing female academics is unchanged from the 50's.

That is, even in the mean old glory days of being a white male, there were chicks on campus getting degrees and shit.

I find that hard to beleive since the fems anti-male movement has made college a hostile place for men, but whatevers. discuss.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:40 PM (QxSug)

254 Trust me Dude, she'd beat you to FKN death.

Yes, because physics doesn't matter.

Also: rules.

Now, I'm not going to say about her because I don't know. But I will say that in general a 6'2" 220 lb man in decent condition could absolutely overpower a (how tall is she? 5'10"?) 136 lb woman even in prime condition. Especially if he gets the drop on her. Especially if he doesn't hold himself to any rules.

Specific cases will be different, but in general this will be true.

Remember that a criminal isn't trying to knock you unconscious (necessarily) or win a certain number of points. The criminal is trying to disable you long enough to do their business (theft, murder, rape, whatever) and get away.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 04:40 PM (xN73L)

255 Should teh Republican party just embrace the term 'socialism'?

Posted by: Cicero Kid does not even know what a trillion dollars is at February 27, 2013 04:40 PM (UrENZ)

256 245 Chicque D'Afrique,

I'd really like to have a nation built on equality not weaponized tribal passions of whatever quality or color...

I'm sincere in that...

"equality" means "equality" not "equality plus" and you and I know each other well enough you know I am not calling YOU out...

this is *the* fight and the party abrogating it...

never mind....

Rove's 4 years of Chimpy "taking it" may have killed America.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 04:40 PM (LRFds)

257 111

*******

Ironic considering the big "meteor" stone muzzies pray towards in mecca looks suspiciously vajayjay-like

No wonder they have weird hangups about women.

Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 04:40 PM (CBCxo)

258 Feminist?

Last feminist I knew got ripped apart by the media, democrats and some in our party.

Let me know when they're ready to accept a feminist and I'll be right there with them.
Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2013 04:38 PM (ZDsRL)

SING IT FROM THE FKN RAFTERS MY BROTHER.

The cumination of everything I find beautiful, mind, body and soul. Destoyed before my eyes by those who are at best, inferior.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:40 PM (l86i3)

259 >>>Trust me Dude, she'd beat you to FKN death.

Ok if you say so.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 04:41 PM (0q2P7)

260 -
The closest I ever came to being lynched was during a mixed gender intramural volleyball game. Had a feminist on our side, not particularly athletic but not Ally McBeal ... she kept Oopsie-Pooh-ing every time the ball was near her.

Finally I said "Look, Incompetence isn't cute. Try to play the game or leave."

Well!

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 27, 2013 04:41 PM (J8DGo)

261 I say fuck feminism and celebrate the Lady.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:37 PM (l86i3)



The Lady has more power. ;-)

Posted by: barefoot on the beach at February 27, 2013 04:41 PM (XYSwB)

262

There is no way to change the brand until you change the media.

The End.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 27, 2013 04:41 PM (1Y+hH)

263 Wait - now we can go from not reading ace's post, to not reading ace's posting linking to ace's post.

That is some meta shit, man.

Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 04:42 PM (pZDxu)

264
In all seriousness, my theory is that the purpose of original feminism from the left was to destroy the traditional family. Why depend on your family for care when the govt can take care of all that? The govt is your daddy and your husband.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 04:43 PM (p/cQy)

265 "Finally I said "Look, Incompetence isn't cute. Try to play the game or leave."

That pretty much put an end to any blow job after the game, didn't it?

Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2013 04:43 PM (ZDsRL)

266 I still say the Chinese are going to defeat us with porn and hacking skills--perhaps.

Le Fin.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 04:43 PM (r2PLg)

267 254 Trust me Dude, she'd beat you to FKN death.

Yes, because physics doesn't matter.

Also: rules.
***

or reach advantage.

I think dudes within a representative weight range include Dodson from TUF a few season ago. She'd die.

My fighting weight would probably be 185 pounds, so yeah anderson silva would murder me (but I think he's either an alien or an angel slumming it on earth). But if I went against a 185 pound girl, IDK, I assume she'd have to be 6'5" since she has no muscle. Her lack of muscle would mean I would get hit a lot but she'd have no power.

I'd be bloodied, bruised but win.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:44 PM (QxSug)

268 I am Vagina hear me ROAR! Guys.

Posted by: S.E. Cupp's Meat Curtains at February 27, 2013 04:44 PM (ntNJz)

269 The dems meme is that repubs want to control women's vagina's. I say in the next election the repubs should answer that by saying that the dems want all the men to fuck Helen Thomas.

Posted by: Soona at February 27, 2013 04:44 PM (+k5d1)

270 her incompetence extended to pretty much everything she attempted.

Except feminist studies - in which she excelled.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 27, 2013 04:45 PM (J8DGo)

271 **my theory is that the purpose of original feminism from the left was to destroy the traditional family. **

true dat, uncle sam is a better husband than you are.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:45 PM (QxSug)

272 I was only pointing out that there is overlap in the men vs women thing in a lot of areas. That many men would beat her no doubt that she could beat many men was more the point. And shes kinda cute and in the news.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 27, 2013 04:37 PM (81UWZ)

I could get the lowest ranked 136 pound professional MMA male fighter and he would kick her ass.The majority of men in the world couldn't beat Serena Williams intennis but the lowest ranked ATPplayer could. There is no overlap in the profession.

That said, she is somewhat cute.

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 04:46 PM (m2CN7)

273 Do I look fat in this crotch? Guys?

Posted by: S.E. Cupp's Meat Curtains at February 27, 2013 04:46 PM (ntNJz)

274 **255 Should teh Republican party just embrace the term 'socialism'?**

I think you win the internet today.

I think ace has a good point, but the larger battle is cultural confidence*.

* assuming that changing demographics care about this stuff and the country isn't being divided along different lines.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:46 PM (QxSug)

275
I'd be bloodied, bruised but win.
Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:44 PM (QxSug)


If you are a normal everyday guy, she would hurt you bad. If you are young, in good shape and have a few skillz, you may be able to overpower her. I wouldn't count on it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:47 PM (l86i3)

276
"Frankly I'm a feminist -- as most people would define the term."

Ace is a chic? I did not know that.

Posted by: Fem Squid at February 27, 2013 04:48 PM (waPTh)

277 Posted by: mama winger at February 27, 2013 04:37 PM (P6QsQ

nicely said.

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 04:49 PM (m2CN7)

278 Re: Ronda Rousey

It's not just "beating on another person" - Ronda's Olympics-quality Judo skillz would come into play.

I hope.

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 27, 2013 04:49 PM (J8DGo)

279 @275, even most guys who jog like 5 miles a day have no idea what real cardio is, most guys would gas out, sure. And I guess I would too. ok, so the point is that a female, conditioned to be in fighting shape could take possibly take out a man who is only in enough shape to last 2 minutes in a ring before being completely gassed out, as long as she is not outweighed by 50 pounds or suffers a 6inch reach disadvantage. But enter in the ring a guy with some cardio and skills and relevant weight class experience, all bets are off.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:50 PM (QxSug)

280 In all seriousness, my theory is that the purpose of original feminism
from the left was to destroy the traditional family. Why depend on your
family for care when the govt can take care of all that? The govt is
your daddy and your husband.


Sadly, that is how I see it. The basic biological reproductive imperative of a woman is to tie down a man for support/protection. Trading replication value for survival. It's a lot easier to vote for tyranny than to take a chance and fail to catch a quality man.

Posted by: esch at February 27, 2013 04:51 PM (9XVgh)

281 aside from gas-out, my other point is that the girl would not have knock out power. Unless she had some wicked kicks.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:51 PM (QxSug)

282 Cicero Kid:
>>> Should teh Republican party just embrace the term 'socialism'?

If the majority of the population understood "socialism" to mean "free market capitalism", then, sure.

Words only mean what people mean by them.

Posted by: sandy burger at February 27, 2013 04:52 PM (J4nVH)

283 It's not just "beating on another person" - Ronda's Olympics-quality Judo skillz would come into play.
I wouldn't be wearing a Gi which is somewhat crucial for a lot of judo technique.

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 04:52 PM (m2CN7)

284 >>>If you are a normal everyday guy, she would hurt you bad.

Why does everyone assume everyone else here has spent their entire life eating Cheetos and posting to blogs? OK So I haven't been in any sort of fighting ring in a while, unless you count Rugby, did that last season.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 04:52 PM (0q2P7)

285 Just go read The Chalice and The Blade again and you will feel all better....

Posted by: doug at February 27, 2013 04:54 PM (jCwj+)

286 >>>It's not just "beating on another person" - Ronda's Olympics-quality Judo skillz would come into play.

>>>I wouldn't be wearing a Gi which is somewhat crucial for a lot of judo technique.

Most of your useful Judo chokes use the Gi, other than maybe the sleeper, which pretty much everyone knows anyway.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 04:54 PM (0q2P7)

287 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 04:52 PM (0q2P7)

Then I guess you are not a normal everyday guy.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:54 PM (l86i3)

288 aside from gas-out, my other point is that the girl would not have knock out power. Unless she had some wicked kicks.>>

I really didn't expect anyone to think that hard about whether they would or would not get beat by a girl.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 27, 2013 04:55 PM (81UWZ)

289 ... Time to check out 'menimism'?


Dude, try to say you're a "menist" with a straight face.

Yeah, didn't think so.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 27, 2013 04:55 PM (oY6Yp)

290 I really didn't expect anyone to think that hard about whether they would or would not get beat by a girl.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 27, 2013 04:55 PM (81UWZ)

That taps right into the male ego.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 04:56 PM (l86i3)

291 Hi Buzzsaw,

Welcome to AoSHQ. We were early adopters of this concept:

http://www.howmanyfiveyearoldscouldyoutakeinafight.com/
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 27, 2013 04:56 PM (J8DGo)

292 I really didn't expect anyone to think that hard about whether they would or would not get beat by a girl.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 27, 2013 04:55 PM (81UWZ)

Nah, we used to have debates with my non basketball playing friends when we would insist that we could put together a group of guys from our YMCA-League and kick the crap out of any WNBA team.

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 04:58 PM (m2CN7)

293 Most of your useful Judo chokes use the Gi, other than maybe the sleeper, which pretty much everyone knows anyway.

If the majority judo techniques really do require the opponent to be wearing a particular type of clothing, then I am going to have to rethink its utility as an actual martial art, not a combat sport.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 27, 2013 04:58 PM (BbMD3)

294 **290 I really didn't expect anyone to think that hard about whether they would or would not get beat by a girl. **

I just don't like these femmy platitudes that we're all supposed to sit back and act thoughtfully amused by. "Oh...I guess that changes everything, there are professional female fighters, just like men."

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 04:58 PM (QxSug)

295 Interesting remarks and question.

Certainly most of the country does not know the history of the feminist movement. Most only remember the initial idea which was equal access to jobs (doctor, lawyer, indian chief) and equal pay for the same job. Some also have the vague idea of it being related to "reproduction rights" or "sexual freedom". But a sizable group have picked up the idea that these people reealllly don't like males, tend to promote lesbianism as "the political litmus test" for being feminist and intend to end the traditional existence of "the family'. Yet, most people lack familiarity with the alien mindset found in their "research publications" or heard in academic presentations.

Using the same term therefore carries mixed messages relating to the group who hears the word and therefore, could backfire. I'd try to develop alterative language that captures how must women see themselves: professionals, family managers, consumer decision makers, mothers, community leaders (I'd use organizers, but the democrats have hijacked that word-- but females have dominated volunteers service for decades)

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 05:01 PM (g5wi5)

296 Sadly, that is how I see it. The basic biological reproductive imperative of a woman is to tie down a man for support/protection. Trading replication value for survival. It's a lot easier to vote for tyranny than to take a chance and fail to catch a quality man.
Posted by: esch at February 27, 2013 04:51 PM (9XVgh)


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I've listened to quite a few women, young and old, who despair over the fact that there aren't any real men out there anymore. And by real men, I mean someone who vows to protect and provide for them, but mostly treat and love them as ladies. So many women out there that actually want to be treated as a woman but can't find a man willing to do so.

I guess many of themales in this nation are voting for tyrants too.

Posted by: Soona at February 27, 2013 05:03 PM (+k5d1)

297 >>>Then I guess you are not a normal everyday guy

At one time in this country running into a guy who played or had played physical combat sports was not unusual at all.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 05:06 PM (0q2P7)

298 Just go read The Chalice and The Blade again and you will feel all better....
Posted by: doug at February 27, 2013 04:54 PM (jCwj+)



oh, wow

flashback to my younger years

that is the feminist bible

Posted by: barefoot on the beach at February 27, 2013 05:06 PM (XYSwB)

299 That goes along with my proposal that we start calling all these hard-core, liberal Democrats on television who hold themselves out as neutral, Republicans.

Make them snort, sniff and stumble as they explain how they are not Republicans.

Make their supporters howl, laugh, mock and deride you for it.

And perfectly prove your point better than you could--that they are hard-core, liberal Democrats.

Same fucking thing, make them own what is actually going on and stop letting them off the hook for these soft, nice sounding definitions they hide under.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 27, 2013 05:06 PM (VjL9S)

300 I am all for conservatives embracing, french-kissing, groping and deep-throating the term 'feminism.' However, wouldn't it just be easier to transform an existing word into the conservative lexicon. I vote that all "conservative" females who are "empowered" in their gender association refer to themselves as "cuntservatives."

Oh wait, I think that is taken already by the regulars out here.
Plan B coming up. Like a pathetic load of communal horse cum erupting simultaneously out of your throats last November.
Stupid cuntservatives.

Posted by: William Lee at February 27, 2013 05:08 PM (TEQxc)

301 >>>>If the majority judo techniques really do require the opponent to be
wearing a particular type of clothing, then I am going to have to
rethink its utility as an actual martial art, not a combat sport.

Well a durable shirt at least. For some moves a very durable shirt.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 05:08 PM (0q2P7)

302 Useless pathetic load of communal horse cum. gulp, rinse, gulp again.
Well done.

Posted by: William Lee at February 27, 2013 05:10 PM (TEQxc)

303 >>>I really didn't expect anyone to think that hard about whether they would or would not get beat by a girl.

Sizing up your competition is a male core competency. That's why men fight relatively little, it's not they lack desire or ambition, both sides know who is going to win.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 05:12 PM (0q2P7)

304 296Posted by: Soona at February 27, 2013 05:03 PM (+k5d1)

That's the argument also made by the first generation feminists. That once the divorce laws loosened up, they saw their fathers leave their wives of 25 years to run off with their secretaries. It gave the movement a huge opening to declare that the idea of strong, faithful men was a social illusion. I can't remember where I heard this speech, but the speaker was urging the crowd to not depend on marriage and husbands who would not longer be around protect them and their children.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 05:16 PM (g5wi5)

305 And erg's got nuthin.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 05:17 PM (QupBk)

306 **That once the divorce laws loosened up, they saw their fathers leave their wives of 25 years to run off with their secretaries. It gave the movement a huge opening to declare that the idea of strong, faithful men was a social illusion.**

dude, most divorces are initiated by the ladies, and it comes as a shock to the men.

The Lifetime TV version of reality wants you to believe that it's the men doing the leaving

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 05:19 PM (QxSug)

307 I admire the effort of you Pathetic Load Of Communal Horse Cum attempting to discuss feminism. I have to admit, I thought you all just wanted to crawl up into the rotting, stinking loins of Phyllis Schlafly while singing "God Bless America."

Posted by: William Lee at February 27, 2013 05:21 PM (TEQxc)

308 Yeah, chalice and the blade made it clear to me what muddle headed reasoning was behind that aspect of the movement. ...been too long since I read it, and was never enough of an archeologist or anthropologist to be able to refute the "facts", but the pure reasoning based on the facts was clear drivel.

Posted by: doug at February 27, 2013 05:21 PM (+C5m6)

309 PLOCHC collective psyche:
"Was it reproductive rights? Was it sexual freedom? Was it equal pay for equal work? Please please please, someone help us, we're shrinking into irrelevance !! Help !!! Help !!! PHYYYYY LIIIISSSSSSSSSS !!!!!! "

Posted by: William Lee at February 27, 2013 05:24 PM (TEQxc)

310 joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 27, 2013 05:19 PM (QxSug)

This came from a classroom setting, and the info was based on social changes during the 70s. The situation is very different now - more women have the income to support children on their own; their grandmothers and many of their mothers did not have careers.

But initially when it became easier to get a divorce, there was a epidemic of middle-aged men dumping their long-time spouses and running off with the local librarian or whatever. Since many of these wives did not have an education or career, this create quite a social shockwave. Their daughters were taking notes while this went on. It gave the radical arm of the movement a club to swing, and they did so.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 05:25 PM (g5wi5)

311 306 joe psst. btw I am a dudette or moronette

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 05:27 PM (g5wi5)

312 112 I would embrace the stuffing out of some of the broads here. Put me down for a "yes" on the feminist thing.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 27, 2013 04:15 PM (7QNaf)
>>>>>>>

Put you down. Now there's a thought. You worthless fucking loser king.

Posted by: William Lee at February 27, 2013 05:27 PM (TEQxc)

313 312 112 I would embrace the stuffing out of some of the broads here. Put me down for a "yes" on the feminist thing. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 27, 2013 04:15 PM (7QNaf) >>>>>>Pretty sure the last thing you embraced the stuffing out of was either your teddy bear or your inflatable boy doll.

Posted by: William Lee at February 27, 2013 05:29 PM (TEQxc)

314 Can we just axe William Lee?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 27, 2013 05:47 PM (MuHYc)

315 Only a retard actually believes that men and women are equal. We wouldn't have to dumb down standards for sports, law enforcement, and the military in order to include women if men and women are equal.

Posted by: Red at February 27, 2013 05:50 PM (7us0J)

316 I know I'm late to this party, but, since this is one of my "issues."


*clearing throat*


THE FIRST PERSON WHO DARES TO CALL ME A FEMINIST IS GOING TO GET A KNITTING NEEDLE THROUGH THE G-DDAMN EYE.

Capiche?

Thank you.

The term "feminist" shouldn't be embraced. It should be villified and destroyed. It should become as bad to call someone a "feminist" as it is to call them a "chauvinist." The term has no meaning anymore; it's been poisoned the same way the term "liberal" has been poisoned. It's a term that once meant one thing but has morphed into something else entirely. The supporters who forced that metamorphosis continue to pretend that "feminism" is about equality, but their words and actions betray their actual intent, which is female SUPERIORITY. They should be shamed into ignominious obscurity.


The only place for poisoned words is the gutter.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 27, 2013 05:53 PM (CA2NO)

317 New word for 'Feminist' is Misophallusist

Posted by: A Philagynist at February 27, 2013 06:14 PM (e2UnA)

318 It's great being a feminist. You get to work at a crap job all day, get taxed up the wazoo on the salary bc it's not enough less than your husband's income, then come home and pretend to manage a house that is completely out of control, pretend to cook overpriced frozen food, and farm out the raising of your kids to the school system/local daycare. then you get to bitch and whine about how exhausting it is "working two jobs". yay feminism!

Posted by: separate at February 27, 2013 07:02 PM (yrKiI)

319
I was married to a feminist.
Luckily, she neverlegally took my name so there was no name change after the divorce.
Feminism was rotten to the core from the beginning.
Feminism is a form of narcissism.
I'm anti-feminist to the maximum extent allowed by law.

Posted by: Frankly at February 27, 2013 07:23 PM (fMw5N)

320
A Marxist is someone who believes Marx's theories are superior to the alternatives.
An Islamist is someone who believes Islam is superior to the alternatives.
A feminist is... someone who believes the sexes are interchangeable? Yeah, that's it.

Posted by: Frank Underwood (D-South Carolina) at February 28, 2013 12:45 AM (fscec)






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