CPAC Announces Big Get: Dr. Benjamin Carson

Big for CPAC, and also a great big announcement that Carson's interest in the presidency is more than strictly hypothetical.

Posted by: Ace at 01:58 PM



Comments

1 WHOOMP! There it is!


Love this guy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 27, 2013 01:59 PM (CA2NO)

2 GOProud hardest hit.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 02:00 PM (QupBk)

3 He's a good speaker, and an accomplished man but I'm just not sure that you can successfully run a presidential campaign with 0 previous legislative experience.

(Sucks though that may be.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 27, 2013 02:01 PM (3Uu2V)

4 Awesome. Besides the obvious racial comparison, comparing Carson's CV to Baraka's is like comparing Joe Montana's to Elvis Grbac's (respectively).

Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 02:01 PM (+iA5G)

5 Just when I was having fun being a racist, We get this magnificent example of what it means to be an american.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 02:01 PM (l86i3)

6 Good afternoon, and this is my first, first

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 02:01 PM (g5wi5)

7 I'm getting a Herman Cain vibe up in here.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 02:01 PM (4cRnj)

8 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 02:01 PM (xN73L)

9 >>>GOProud hardest hit.

strange I wouldn't have made that connection, but you went right there.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:02 PM (LCRYB)

10 I wuzzzz robbed I tell ye

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 02:02 PM (g5wi5)

11 I'm not jumping on this train yet.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:02 PM (r2PLg)

12 So it's Carson's turn to be The Next Great Conservative Hope

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:02 PM (8sCoq)

13 toby, I love you, but this Team Tribes shit is half of what's wrong with our country.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:02 PM (LCRYB)

14 3
He's a good speaker, and an accomplished man but I'm just not sure that
you can successfully run a presidential campaign with 0 previous
legislative experience.

(Sucks though that may be.)


Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 27, 2013 02:01 PM (3Uu2V)

--Zero broke the mold. Head-to-head against Shrillary or Slow Joe, do you really think people will see him as *less* likable?

Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 02:02 PM (+iA5G)

15 How about we run on the Declaration and the Constitution

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:02 PM (8sCoq)

16 I posted this on an earlier thread....this is from his FB page posted yesterday. It appears he has a 'team':




Welcome to Dr. Carson's OFFICIAL facebook

page. Updates will be from Dr. Carson and his team. Official twitter

page is, @realbencarson. We look forward to hearing from you! -Team BC





http://tinyurl.com/c6oxdpb

Posted by: Tami at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (X6akg)

17 I'm just not sure that you can successfully run a presidential campaign with 0 previous legislative experience.

What about the current evidence to the contrary? The SCOAMT had a thick resume, did he? How many votes did he not just vote "Present" on in the IL Leg?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (xN73L)

18

Well, Hillary isn't black, that's for sure

Posted by: imp at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (UaxA0)

19 Awesome. Besides the obvious racial comparison, comparing Carson's CV to
Baraka's is like comparing Joe Montana's to Elvis Grbac's
(respectively).


Not even close. Grbac actually attempted to compete at Joe Montana's level.

I think it's like comparing Joe Montana's to Al Bundy's.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (T0NGe)

20 So it's Carson's turn to be The Next Great Conservative Hope
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:02 PM (8sCoq)


I think we are all a little to jaded for that. However, he is worth a test drive.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (l86i3)

21 I'm so sick of identity politcs. Both sides seem enamored of it.

Meritocracy my ass.

Posted by: Invictus at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (OQpzc)

22 From hot air:

Carson said that the White House asked him more than once for an advance reading of his speech. He never gave it to them.

He clearly worries them. Expect him to get the full Clarence Thomas hi tech lynching. I hope he's ready for it.

Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (0PiQ4)

23 There is no person more despised by the left than a person who proves their stereotypes to be false.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (JfxJx)

24 He's a splitter!

Posted by: lincolntf at February 27, 2013 02:04 PM (ZshNr)

25 Don't worry, half of our supposed conservative "friends" will do their best to destroy Carson while telling us we need to enact amnesty.

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 27, 2013 02:04 PM (6Q82S)

26 I think it's like comparing Joe Montana's to Al Bundy's.


Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (T0NGe)

--Al Bundy actually started on his championship high school team. Go lower.

Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 02:04 PM (+iA5G)

27 strange I wouldn't have made that connection, but you went right there.

Yeah. It was a dig at the morning headline post. Personally, I'm tired of all that drama.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (QupBk)

28 First it was the next "Big White Hope". Now it's the next "Big Black Hope". I'll hold my breath. And flog myself for being so racist.

Posted by: Anonymous at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (71LDo)

29 17 I'm just not sure that you can successfully run a presidential campaign with 0 previous legislative experience.

What about the current evidence to the contrary? The SCOAMT had a thick resume, did he? How many votes did he not just vote "Present" on in the IL Leg?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (xN73L)

__________________

Different set of rules--for Republicans.

And--the media referee the game.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (r2PLg)

30 Awesome!!! Get this guy in front of a camera and mic more often!

WHOOMP! There it is!





Love this guy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 27, 2013 01:59 PM (CA2NO)


MWR, any update on getting some pics of your "fat wife"? Us morons wanna know!

Posted by: EC at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (GQ8sn)

31
>>> strange I wouldn't have made that connection, but you went right there.

We were all thinking it.©

Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (xIzGn)

32 21
I'm so sick of identity politcs. Both sides seem enamored of it.



Meritocracy my ass.

Posted by: Invictus at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (OQpzc)

--You are aware of what Dr. Carson has accomplished, right?

Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (+iA5G)

33 tsrblke (work) at February 27, 2013 02:01 PM (3Uu2V)

My thoughts too, but he will throw a major spoke in the DNC's wheel, and that would be a good thing. They haven't been able to dig up anything juicy and don't don't what to do with him. Or, perhaps he's thinking of an intermediary stage. A very interesting person to watch.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (g5wi5)

34 Tourette objects--He's not black enough so you are all racists.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (wbmaj)

35 IMHO the most effective Presidents are former governors

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (8sCoq)

36 Finally! someone serious again. Please draft this guy for the 2016 ticket. I'm sure this is racist, but Carson/West 2016 wouldn't be a bad combo given that we've abandoned the "Governors Make the Optimal Presidential Candidates" ladder-climbing.

Also hardest hit: Tourétte.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (eHIJJ)

37 I'm just about ready for someone with zero previous legislative experience.

OTOH, we already have that with TFG.

Historical!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (+z4pE)

38 >>>Carson said that the White House asked him more than once for an advance reading of his speech. He never gave it to them.

awesome.

anyone who wishes to succeed in politics needs to possess some amount of deviousness and ruthlessness.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (LCRYB)

39 So it's Carson's turn to be The Next Great Conservative Hope

Looks like.

Let's hope he doesn't flame out like the others.

Really, I'm sure the guy is awesome, but one speech does not an outstanding political leader make. For all I picked fun at tsrblke, I'll say I largely agree with him: wouldn't it be better for him to become a Senator, Representative, or Governor before looking at the Presidency? I'd kind of like a political history to be able to evaluate.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 02:06 PM (xN73L)

40 MWR, any update on getting some pics of your "fat wife"? Us morons wanna know!
Posted by: EC at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (GQ8sn)


That was funny stuff.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 02:06 PM (l86i3)

41 I don't mean to be racist or nothin' but Carson seems to be working up to playing the role of "shadow president" like the shadow ministers in the UK.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:06 PM (T0NGe)

42 I just love articulate black men--Harry Reid.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:06 PM (wbmaj)

43 I don't know if he is the next great hope but he's nice to have on the team.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 02:06 PM (ZX0Je)

44 I'm so sick of identity politcs. Both sides seem enamored of it.



Meritocracy my ass.


Gee, almost like law school. Imagine.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:06 PM (T0NGe)

45 He's black AND accomplished AND well respected, man, are we racists!

Posted by: mare at February 27, 2013 02:06 PM (A98Xu)

46 Hey, it's not his turn nor is he established.


Must. Destroy.

Posted by: Karl Rove at February 27, 2013 02:06 PM (4cRnj)

47 >>>Yeah. It was a dig at the morning headline post. Personally, I'm tired of all that drama.

ah I didn't see that so I took it as out-of-nowhere. Apologies then, carry on.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:06 PM (LCRYB)

48
Dr. Ben Carson has saved lives -

big deal. So has Herbert Cain ... pizza saves lives. It's a fact.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 27, 2013 02:06 PM (J8DGo)

49 --You are aware of what Dr. Carson has accomplished, right?
Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (+iA5G)

Yes, he kicks ass, but would he be a sudden celebrity is he were white?

Posted by: Invictus at February 27, 2013 02:07 PM (OQpzc)

50 13 toby, I love you, but this Team Tribes shit is half of what's wrong with our country.
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:02 PM (LCRYB)


I used to agree with you ace until I see Team Tribes repeatedly trounce all opposition and hold together a +50% approval base even though the economy is shit, we don't even bother to make budgets anymore, wars continue, and we run 1.5 trillion dollar deficits year after year.

Team tribes kicking our ass

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 27, 2013 02:07 PM (6Q82S)

51 So it's Carson's turn to be The Next Great Conservative Hope

I'm invoking the 24 month rule.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 02:07 PM (QupBk)

52 Good. I want to know more about this gentleman. Perry/Carson 2016.

Posted by: Soona at February 27, 2013 02:07 PM (+k5d1)

53
Awesome. That guy is great.

Unfortunately, he will not be able to compete with the Hillary/Christie ticket and the FSA in 2016.

More than 50% of the people think Oblather is great and more than 50% work for some kind of govt and more than 50% don't pay any federal taxes.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 02:07 PM (p/cQy)

54 35
IMHO the most effective Presidents are former governors


Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (8sCoq)

Or not.

Posted by: James Earl Carter at February 27, 2013 02:07 PM (+iA5G)

55 They haven't been able to dig up anything juicy and don't don't what to do with him.
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (g5wi5)
--
That shouldn't be a problem, we can always create something.

Posted by: Dan Rather, spokesman for fake but accurate at February 27, 2013 02:07 PM (JfxJx)

56
>>> I'm tired of all that drama.

Drama was the whole point. Good for CPAC to finally wise up.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 02:07 PM (Fely/)

57 Brain Surgeon > Community Organizer

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at February 27, 2013 02:07 PM (UU0OF)

58 MFM will dutifully ignor this.

Posted by: BignJames at February 27, 2013 02:08 PM (Sg0G/)

59 35 IMHO the most effective Presidents are former governors
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (8sCoq)

_______________

One thing about governor's --they will have a team of people that they can trust as their campaign staff.

So a Governor from a fairly Conservative state that hasn't been out of business for ten years.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:08 PM (r2PLg)

60 Great set-up fora future book deal and guest spots on Fox News

Posted by: 9-9-9 at February 27, 2013 02:08 PM (iEoiA)

61 ignore, too

Posted by: BignJames at February 27, 2013 02:08 PM (Sg0G/)

62 Alec Baldwin says he's just a "coon" so move along.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:08 PM (wbmaj)

63 anyone who wishes to succeed in politics needs to possess some amount of deviousness and ruthlessness.
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:05 PM (LCRYB)

Exactly, and also exactly why the clueless republicans get stomped at every turn.

They are not chess players, barely even checkers.

Posted by: mare at February 27, 2013 02:08 PM (A98Xu)

64 You racists like him because he's black - like me.

Posted by: Tourette Niblet at February 27, 2013 02:09 PM (kKzNI)

65 >So it's Carson's turn to be The Next Great Conservative Hope

I was being facetious - didn't we already fall in/out of love with Christie, Rubio, Rand, et al?

Eric Cantor and Ryan too?

I'm sure we'll find something about Sen Cruz we don't like shortly


let's advance an idea, not a person

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:09 PM (8sCoq)

66
Yes, he kicks ass, but would he be a sudden celebrity is he were white?

Posted by: Invictus at February 27, 2013 02:07 PM (OQpzc)

--Probably not, but then if he were white I doubt he would have done the Prayer Breakfast thing, either.

Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 02:09 PM (+iA5G)

67 You don't have to run to be influential. Let's give him some breathing room and take it from there.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 02:09 PM (ZX0Je)

68 @AllenG,

I think we determined that Obama is all about illusions and appearences.
A few years as a State Senator and a 2 years as a regular senator gave the appearance and illusion of previous experience.

Carson doesn't even have that.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 27, 2013 02:09 PM (3Uu2V)

69 Posted by: mare at February 27, 2013 02:06 PM (A98Xu)


I think its racist to be this racists to pick such a racity racists to speak at the CPrACist...

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 27, 2013 02:10 PM (UZQM8)

70
He clearly worries them. Expect him to get the full Clarence Thomas hi tech lynching. I hope he's ready for it.

Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (0PiQ4)

He's got brass balls, I'll tell you that.
Maybe he can be the Pope of the GOP or something.
Or run for senate in MD. Please? I'd campaign for him.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 02:10 PM (xAtAj)

71 You fkn Tea Partiers always try to nominate peoples who will clearly lose!

STFU and vote for Jeb, losers!

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Tissue at February 27, 2013 02:10 PM (LOCID)

72 Let's hope he doesn't flame out like the others.

Between republican back-stabbers and dem-financed Private Investigators, he doesn't stand a chance. More than half the casualties last time were "friendly" fire.

Posted by: Rule #2 at February 27, 2013 02:10 PM (CypDC)

73 Jamie Foxx to play role of Ben Carson in film version of famed Neurosurgeon's life.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:10 PM (wbmaj)

74 >So a Governor from a fairly Conservative state that hasn't been out of business for ten years.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:08 PM (r2PLg)

I kinda had hopes for former CO gov Bill Owens, but the guy has virtually disappeared

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:10 PM (8sCoq)

75 ah I didn't see that so I took it as out-of-nowhere. Apologies then, carry on.

Posted by: ace


Spoilin' for a fight ?

That's a paddlin'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2013 02:10 PM (Ipj15)

76 Wait, what?

Posted by: Toure at February 27, 2013 02:10 PM (8ZskC)

77 67
You don't have to run to be influential. Let's give him some breathing room and take it from there.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 02:09 PM (ZX0Je)

In contrast with She Who Shant Be Named I'd rather there be more real world impact outside of the right-wing blogosphere...

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 02:11 PM (xAtAj)

78 Four thumbs up for Carson!

Posted by: Chang and Eng at February 27, 2013 02:11 PM (ZshNr)

79 7 I'm getting a Herman Cain vibe up in here.
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 02:01 PM (4cRnj)

Dr. Carson has undoubtedly told some woman somewhere that she is only about as tall as his wife (holds hand at chin-level).

Posted by: As long as Mindy's little Barry-Poo is happy, that's what matters at February 27, 2013 02:11 PM (U/+f9)

80
What's the problem here?

If s/he talks the talk and walks the walk, what is the goddam problem?

Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 02:11 PM (vyPsz)

81 I hope he's ready for it.

He alread threw down the gauntlet against the MFM. Someone asked him about them digging up dirt on him, he responded, essentially, "Bring it on."

And his splashy entrance didn't hurt either. Nothing like blasting TFG when he's sitting withing spitting distance. That's what we need a lot more of, and he did it in the nicest way possible.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 27, 2013 02:11 PM (+z4pE)

82 Brotha better not have any white women in his past.

Posted by: Pizza Man at February 27, 2013 02:11 PM (nZvGM)

83 Jamie Foxx to play role of Ben Carson in film version of famed Neurosurgeon's life.


Benji Unchained?

Posted by: EC at February 27, 2013 02:11 PM (GQ8sn)

84 Is he a doctor doctor?

Posted by: eleven -phd at February 27, 2013 02:11 PM (KXm42)

85 Team tribes kicking our ass

The problem for them is the number of tribes. They've figured out who they need to placate (gays) and who they can ignore (blacks) and who they can pander to with empty gestures (hispanics) and who they must pay off (unions).

They fall apart when each part of the coalition wants their fair share.

But Obama's a good demagogue. He keeps their hate focused.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:11 PM (T0NGe)

86 >>>let's advance an idea, not a person

I don't really agree with that in this context. We are talking about a job that must be filled with a man (or a woman, or, who am I kidding, a man) and not an idea.

In the philosophical context, we are devoted to ideas not men, but when it comes to elections, Ideas are not running for Senate.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:11 PM (LCRYB)

87 Wait you mean that if you demonstrate some conservative thought you will actually get invited to a conservative conference? Has anyone told Chris Christie?

Posted by: Buzzion at February 27, 2013 02:11 PM (KpQ2N)

88 What kind of Republican is Carson? the Establishment or the tea party or the Constituion or the Libertarian or thetrue Conservative or Ficon or Socon or tokon ( that's the Democrats choice).

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 02:11 PM (m2CN7)

89 Just be ready to defend him. The NYT has already proven that they have no compunction about making up stories out of whole cloth to advance their party's agenda.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 27, 2013 02:12 PM (JfxJx)

90 I don't know the background on this GOP proud thing. If they were included in the past, why not this year?

Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2013 02:12 PM (0PiQ4)

91 I kinda had hopes for former CO gov Bill Owens, but the guy has virtually disappeared
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:10 PM (8sCoq)

Dead girl, Live Boy?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 02:12 PM (l86i3)

92 How can one not make the goproud connection? This goproud has been shoved down our throats on twitter and on blogs for a couple of weeks now. No one talks about the shit they continually pull -- just how cpac, a private organization, is required to give them a platform and if we disagree we are a bunch of bigots.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 02:12 PM (XjfiS)

93 Most important, what does Karl Rove think of Ben Carson?

Posted by: Marmo at February 27, 2013 02:12 PM (QW+AD)

94 I don't care about government experience. The track record isn't very good. You do need some arrogance which he seems to have. In a good wAy. All the great surgeons have it. Be he also seems humble before god. I'm a fan. Just glad he is on our team for now.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 02:12 PM (ZX0Je)

95 Let the racism begin!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: RWC at February 27, 2013 02:12 PM (fWAjv)

96 #93 He's articulate for a black man and a natty dresser.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:12 PM (wbmaj)

97 Is he pro-amnesty? What's his stance "global warming", or whatever they're calling it these days? Is he pro-slavery? We need more info on this guy before we anoint conservative hope of the week.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (4cRnj)

98 AllenG: "Really, I'm sure the guy is awesome, but one speech does not an outstanding political leader make."

The man is brilliant and has given many, many speeches They just haven't been televised for the public. I think he's something of a motivational speaker, too. He recalls his background and how he climbed to a position of great status and expertise against the odds to inspire the less privileged.

The man is very impressive. I don't believe him to be naive about politics, either. He's pretty un-PC which is worth zillions in conservative-cred points.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (eHIJJ)

99 >>>Carson said that the White House asked him more than once for an advance reading of his speech. He never gave it to them.

So he's not an idiot, that helps.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (0q2P7)

100 My AVG anti-virus went apeshit when I clicked that link.

Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (OlN4e)

101 Yay, fantasy candidates!

Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (pZDxu)

102 --Probably not, but then if he were white I doubt he would have done the Prayer Breakfast thing, either.
Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 02:09 PM (+iA5G)

CEO of the Black Chamber of Commerce just called Obama a borderline communist yesterday. What about him?

Posted by: Invictus at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (OQpzc)

103 >>>Carson doesn't even have that.

no he's just one of the most accomplished brain surgeons in the world. Obviously he's unsuited for the more-intellectual field of politics.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (LCRYB)

104 I kinda had hopes for former CO gov Bill Owens, but the guy has virtually disappeared
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:10 PM (8sCoq)


_______________

Right--a governor from a swing state would be great.

What did happen there?

Was there a--controversy.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (r2PLg)

105 What kind of Republican is Carson? the Establishment or the tea party or the Constituion or the Libertarian or thetrue Conservative or Ficon or Socon or tokon ( that's the Democrats choice).
Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 02:11 PM (m2CN7)

He never claimed the GOP mantle. He made it clear he is strictly Independant.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (l86i3)

106 I heard he had a 'thing' for my girlfriend.

Posted by: Manti T'eo at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (feFL6)

107 Yes, he kicks ass, but would he be a sudden celebrity is he were white?

Posted by: Invictus at February 27, 2013 02:07 PM (OQpzc)

He's no Chris Christie...

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (AWmfW)

108 Carson doesn't even have that.

Honestly, I don't think it matters. I seriously do not believe that the voting public cares about qualifications anymore. Certainly not if the person running is a Democrat, and apparently not if the candidate is a Republican (Or Romney would have cleaned the floor with Obama this time around).

Qualifications seem not to enter into it. Now it's all star power and celebrity. I'm pretty certain Will Smith or Ben Afleck (sp?) or MATT! DAMON! (played by Brian Dennehy) could win election over any Republican we put up.

And now I need to go find a bottle of strychnine.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (xN73L)

109 No fair!

Posted by: Rick Santorum at February 27, 2013 02:14 PM (YmPwQ)

110 http://tinyurl.com/calq7fx


The extortion must go on!!!!

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 27, 2013 02:14 PM (UZQM8)

111 I don't believe we are talking this guy up for President. We really don't know a damn thing about him. He gives one speech and everyone is agog.


What are his policies, his political leanings, and his objectives? Truly we do need to find out more about him.

Posted by: Vic at February 27, 2013 02:14 PM (53z96)

112 This is GOProud's annual "look at us, we're oppressed!" routine. They get more attention over this faux spat than they do anything else.

Posted by: Chang and Eng at February 27, 2013 02:14 PM (ZshNr)

113 >>>I don't believe him to be naive about politics, either

I bet he is naive about politics, but we're quite a ways out from even the primaries. The ignorant may learn so long as they have a brain and some curiosity.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:14 PM (LCRYB)

114 90 I don't know the background on this GOP proud thing. If they were included in the past, why not this year?
Posted by: L, elle

They outed a member of Perry's staff because they didn't like Perry.
They bash conservatives.
The head left LCR to go work for Planned Parenthood as a lobbyist
They have not stopped bashing conservatives
Their primary goal is SSM.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 02:14 PM (XjfiS)

115 Again coming out of nowhere, I was a bit disappointed with Carson's speech. Admittedly, I didn't actually watch it for several days and everyone was all He-got-in-barry's-face so I had high expectations that he called him a SCoaMF. It was a fine speech, suitable for the occasion I guess, but not as red meaty as I was hoping for.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 02:14 PM (QupBk)

116 Honestly, I couldn't care less if he chooses to run for President or not. I love that he's an accomplished man who can speak well and clearly articulate his points, and that he wasn't cowed about standing up in front of Barky and all Barky's cohorts and proceeding to clean the Preezy's clock. That's a man I want on our side.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 27, 2013 02:15 PM (CA2NO)

117 no he's just one of the most accomplished brain surgeons in the world. Obviously he's unsuited for the more-intellectual field of politics.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (LCRYB) I consider his not being a politician a feature not a but. Anyway, he is just as qualified to be president as a community organizer.

Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 02:15 PM (OlN4e)

118 Sorry. I have zero hope that any of the descent into madness can be stopped by any election.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 27, 2013 02:15 PM (XvrTA)

119 He's just another religious nut like Akin! Get with the program!

This is the most important election since the last 10 times we lost, ya yahoos

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Tissue at February 27, 2013 02:15 PM (LOCID)

120 Brain Sergeant > Corpseman, no?

Posted by: Barack Obama at February 27, 2013 02:15 PM (AWmfW)

121 >>>Carson doesn't even have that.

Obama never had a real job with real responsibility. Carson does have that.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 02:15 PM (0q2P7)

122 >>>What are his policies, his political leanings, and his objectives?

well, he seems to believe that God set down a 10% tax rate as a more or less ideal model.

I'm thinking "conservative" myself!

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:15 PM (LCRYB)

123 How can one not make the goproud connection? This goproud has been
shoved down our throats on twitter and on blogs for a couple of weeks
now. No one talks about the shit they continually pull -- just how cpac,
a private organization, is required to give them a platform and if we
disagree we are a bunch of bigots.


They have, more than once, outed people working on campaigns because the candidate did not tow the gay line. (Is that a double entendre? Probably. Anyway...)

There is a reason Andrew Breitbart had chosen to resign from their board.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:15 PM (T0NGe)

124 Isn't Dr. Carson known as the medical profession's Dwight D. Eisenhower? I thought I heard that somewhere.

Posted by: Meghan's McCans at February 27, 2013 02:15 PM (tl7W6)

125

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Posted by: Joey Bite-me at February 27, 2013 02:15 PM (XYSwB)

126 The ignorant may learn so long as they have a brain and some curiosity.

I'm think that he has both, in spades.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 02:16 PM (QupBk)

127 >>>>Yes, he kicks ass, but would he be a sudden celebrity is he were white?

Among us yes he would be. But we're he white the msm would be calling him a racist.

Posted by: Buzzion at February 27, 2013 02:16 PM (pjnaP)

128 >>>He's just another religious nut like Akin! Get with the program!

black people are still allowed to believe in God, per our Media Betters, due to racial condescension.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:16 PM (LCRYB)

129 Obama is an African-American. Ben Carson is an American.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:16 PM (wbmaj)

130 He never claimed the GOP mantle. He made it clear he is strictly Independant.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (l86i3)

Oh so he's a RINO. Vic's words not mine. Okay at least his anticipated words but its almost a sure bet.

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 02:16 PM (m2CN7)

131 Who cares? All we know about this guy is that he said some fairly obvious Conservative things in the presence of Obama. Chris Christie said a couple of Conservative things once too. Conservatives come off as desperate cheap dates.

Carson's tax plan is to follow the Bible, which is we would all tithe to the government. I get where he is coming from but it is hard to say how far he could go with that. He does have a record of achievement which is nice but we need to be careful.

Herman Cain.

Posted by: Ken Royall at February 27, 2013 02:16 PM (x0g8a)

132 Maybe he should stick to pediatric surgery...



or only Black dudes can be POTUS now? Srsly?

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 27, 2013 02:17 PM (Dll6b)

133 Would he nominate Latinos like Scalia and Alito to the Supreme Court?

Posted by: Former Republican at February 27, 2013 02:17 PM (+iA5G)

134 I prefer a man who is highly skilled with a scalpel to a community organizer skilled only in jerking off the stupid and uninformed.

Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 02:17 PM (OlN4e)

135 Head of Pediatric Neurosurgery is not an AA position. And at the age of 33. Yeah, this guy is pretty smart.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 02:17 PM (QupBk)

136 Experience is overrated. Ideology is what
Matters. As team Obama is showing. And Carson has experience in the area that may matter most. Healthcare. I wish him the best. Let's forgive him now if he is not perfect.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 02:17 PM (G58bp)

137 >Dead girl, Live Boy?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shameless


finished his term and went home.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:17 PM (8sCoq)

138 Can someone loan me a buck for an aircraft carrier?

Posted by: Prez'nit Manchurian Candidate at February 27, 2013 02:18 PM (vbh31)

139 >>>Carson said that the White House asked him more than once
for an advance reading of his speech. He never gave it to them.

So he's not an idiot, that helps.


He should have either given them a fake speech or a copy of the Constitution.

Or maybe a math textbook.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:18 PM (T0NGe)

140 Sorry. I have zero hope that any of the descent into madness can be stopped by any election.
Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 27, 2013 02:15 PM (XvrTA)
--
Especially when you look at who is counting (or not counting, as the case may be) the votes.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 27, 2013 02:18 PM (JfxJx)

141 The man is brilliant and has given many, many speeches They just haven't
been televised for the public. I think he's something of a motivational
speaker, too. He recalls his background and how he climbed to a
position of great status and expertise against the odds to inspire the
less privileged.


Okay, great.

Where does he stand on the Right of Return?
What does he believe about the TSA, or all of DHS for that matter?
Pro-life or pro-choice?
What does he believe is the proper roll of the Federal Government?

I'm sure he's brilliant. I'm sure he's used to speaking in public. I'm not sure how conservative he is (for all we know he could be Huckabee II), or how he would handle himself in the arena of politics.

I'd like to have some idea about those things before I go buy pom-poms.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 02:18 PM (xN73L)

142 black people are still allowed to believe in God, per our Media Betters, due to racial condescension.

Just ask secular saint Ray Lewis.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 02:18 PM (B/VB5)

143

OT, but re: the post on humor and mocking the Libs.

Just watched the very first episode of Portlandia last night and it was pretty funny.

*the one where they leave the restaurant to see where the organic, grass fed chicken lived, and who his friends were, before they eat him.

Posted by: beach party at February 27, 2013 02:19 PM (XYSwB)

144 Can he find a rocket scientist for his running mate?

Posted by: somebody else, not me at February 27, 2013 02:19 PM (nZvGM)

145 Latinos! Latinas! Latins! !!11eleventy11!!

Posted by: Prez'nit Manchurian Candidate at February 27, 2013 02:19 PM (vbh31)

146 Good. I'm happy to see more of Mr. Carson.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 02:19 PM (t06LC)

147 Benjamin Carson is dangerous because he CONTRADICTS EVERY FUCKING NARRATIVE OF THE LEFT.

He is their kryptonite. No welfare, no dependency on the state. Self reliance and hard work.

THIS. ELEVENTY!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND UNITE!!!

Everyone asks like Reagan just arrived on the fucking scene. he fought the establishment terribly for decades, BUT HE NEVER SPOKE ILL OF THEM.

do you get the fucking picture. Be civil amongst friends. Be direct and clear to the point against enemies. Use mockery on ideas not people.

THIS IS HOW WE WIN..... You think 2012 was bad, imagine being Reagan and getting the fucking ass pounding that was the goldwater election.

Did he give up? Did he say LIB??? FUCK NO. He won, and he won big time. Demographics won't prevent us from winning. Only we will. Anyone else that says anything different is a liar.

Dr. Benjamin Carson is our fucking demographic. Now are we going to STAND AND FIGHT, or lie down like little pussies.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 27, 2013 02:19 PM (tVTLU)

148 103
>>>Carson doesn't even have that.



no he's just one of the most accomplished brain surgeons in the
world. Obviously he's unsuited for the more-intellectual field of
politics.





Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (LCRYB)

Love ya' ace -- no homo -- but even smart people can lack the political temperament. See Sunnunu, John, retired nuclear engineer.

Posted by: joncelli at February 27, 2013 02:20 PM (RD7QR)

149 I think he's a great choice for speaker at CPAC.

One hurdle at a time.

(is that racist?)

Posted by: mare at February 27, 2013 02:20 PM (A98Xu)

150 All the more reason to get him and CPAC and pick his brain on where he stands. I'm certain that Dr. Carson is going to bring his A-game and knows he's going to get questions on everything.

Posted by: EC at February 27, 2013 02:20 PM (GQ8sn)

151 more important than winning elections than both ideology and experience is biography and personal appeal.

I think this is why the Tea Party and Rove are fighting. The Tea Party just won't accept the idea that a candidate may be completely right on ideology and yet unelectable due to biography/personal appeal considerations.

Ideology means nothing unless it's installed in office in the form of a man. Otherwise it's just a catechism to a God of Politics who doesn't exist.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:20 PM (LCRYB)

152 4
Awesome. Besides the obvious racial comparison, comparing Carson's CV to
Baraka's is like comparing Joe Montana's to Elvis Grbac's
(respectively).


Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 02:01 PM (+iA5G)


Grbac wasn't great but at least he could throw a pass.

Posted by: Ed Gibbon at February 27, 2013 02:20 PM (4eNxd)

153 I'm betting Carson is more Booker T than DuBois in his outlook.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 02:20 PM (QupBk)

154 I don't really agree with that in this context. We are talking about a job that must be filled with a man (or a woman, or, who am I kidding, a man) and not an idea. In the philosophical context, we are devoted to ideas not men, but when it comes to elections, Ideas are not running for Senate.

I'd like to see a man in the Office who embodies the ideas of (in no certain order), the Constitution should be adhered to at all times (which means a smaller, less intrusive and less expensive government), capitalism is good, we should be free of meddling busybodied bureaucrats, we are individuals with our own dreams and ambitions united by Americanism and all the good things that involves.

I don't hear anyone on our side saying anything close to that, which is why we're losing IMHO.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 27, 2013 02:20 PM (+z4pE)

155 I soooo would love to see a Carson vs O'Malley election.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 27, 2013 02:20 PM (HXQlV)

156

Just not ready to jump on the next new thing and faint like a teeny bopper at a Boy Band concert.

That's kind of a "conservative" stance--btw.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:20 PM (r2PLg)

157 finished his term and went home.

Loser

Posted by: Cincinnatus at February 27, 2013 02:21 PM (T0NGe)

158 Oh, yeah. Sorry for screwing up the Brazille thread.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 02:21 PM (t06LC)

159 He should have either given them a fake speech or a copy of the Constitution.

Or maybe a math textbook.

Posted by: AmishDude


It's sounds like he played it perfectly by not letting on until his kick to the nuts.

Don't telegraph your intentions until it is certain the opponent can't respond.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2013 02:21 PM (Ipj15)

160
Yeah -- I agree with Allen G. I am not sure one speech means we should plan what to wear to the coronation.
Also, to be blunt, the way the GOP seems to slobber over the next Great Black Hope (Cain, Carson) if anything highlights the lack of African American presence in the party. Carson is saying some great things -- and I think his experience makes him uniquely qualified to understand the issues associated with ObamaCare. But how about we consider him first for something like Secretary of HHS or Surgeon General, before we having him running for President.

Posted by: nc at February 27, 2013 02:21 PM (fkBVg)

161 >>>How can one not make the goproud connection? This goproud has been
shoved down our throats on twitter and on blogs for a couple of weeks
now.

They disagree with one part of the conservative canon. I disagree with GOProud on that point, but I don't think anyone is shoving them down our throat if we don't swing that way. Points of contention naturally get discussed more often than points of agreement. No one in conservative forums has maintained that I am a bigot for not supporting gay marriage. Except for maybe some Ronulan Trolls. But they think all sorts of strange things.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 02:21 PM (0q2P7)

162 Btw, Brit Hume has some oh-so biting comments for President Food Stamp. Fucking hilarious. and screw you brit hume haters....

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 27, 2013 02:21 PM (tVTLU)

163 it would be fun to watch Hillary run against Dr. Carson, though.



pay to watch that, I would. That Fat Bitch and her flunkies would tie themselves in knots; big tricky impossible knots

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 27, 2013 02:21 PM (Dll6b)

164 >>>Love ya' ace -- no homo -- but even smart people can lack the political temperament. See Sunnunu, John, retired nuclear engineer.

I agree with this, and I've said earlier I imagine his big problem will be Arrogance and Hubris. Like Alec Baldwin in that movie, Malice, where he said "I *am* God."

But again, he's got some time to learn some things.

He learned to be a doctor in three years of medical school. I am hopeful he can learn this stuff.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:22 PM (LCRYB)

165 r. Benjamin Carson is our fucking demographic. Now are we going to STAND AND FIGHT, or lie down like little pussies.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 27, 2013 02:19 PM (tVTLU)


Two words. Sarah Palin.

C'mon, Fighty McFighterson, you know the GOP will back you up.

Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 02:22 PM (pZDxu)

166 I'm thinking that the only way to fix government is to start looking at electing some people who haven't made government their entire life's work. People who are going into the job because the intrusions in their lives are chafing and want to get back out as soon as possible. And, of course, once elected we need to hold them to it.

Posted by: Happy to be in Texas at February 27, 2013 02:22 PM (44PWr)

167
We need more info on this guy before we anoint conservative hope of the week.
Posted by: Dr Spank





Are you kidding? He's ethnic! Who cares what he thinks? We love him so much our belly clenches when we see him!

Posted by: The Republicans Who Used to Love Colin Powell

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 27, 2013 02:22 PM (kdS6q)

168 I'd like to have some idea about those things before I go buy pom-poms.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 02:18 PM (xN73L)

I hear you and agree to a point. But I am not looking at his CPAC appearance as the event that drives us all-in for his presidential run. I am excited that this appearance is going to attract a lot more eyeballs and ears to CPAC and conservative ideas. There is plenty of time for the rest of it. I am with Ace - big get for CPAC.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 27, 2013 02:22 PM (KjlbF)

169 I may be home-state biased but I'd much prefer the good doctor to run for Governor of Maryland

Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 02:22 PM (CBCxo)

170 Thanks I chase him!

Also, the comparisons to Herman Cain aren't fair. Cain is nowhere in the same league of smarts as Carson.

Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2013 02:22 PM (0PiQ4)

171 Love ya' ace -- no homo -- but even smart people can lack the political
temperament. See Sunnunu, John, retired nuclear engineer.


Replace "even" with "especially".

Politicians succeed when they lie. This is why...oh, you know the drill.


Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:22 PM (T0NGe)

172 >>>
Just not ready to jump on the next new thing and faint like a teeny bopper at a Boy Band concert.

well I'm not telling anyone "Cast your votes now."

Personally, I'm interested. I want to see what he's got.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:23 PM (LCRYB)

173 He's no Ben Casey.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:23 PM (wbmaj)

174 18

Well, Hillary isn't black, that's for sure
Posted by: imp at February 27, 2013 02:03 PM (UaxA0)

You insensitive racist. I would have you know that Hillary is one half of a multiracial couple.

Posted by: chique d'afrique on her phone at February 27, 2013 02:23 PM (6zgse)

175
You guys asking all these questions of Carson are funny.

The only pertinent question is can he get elected.


Nobody gives a shit about any of the stuff you care about. They don't want to even hear about it. They want no part of it.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 02:23 PM (052zE)

176 To be clear, Bill Owens was a 2 term Republican gov of CO 1999-2007

he then returned to the private sector, although he was Co-Chair of Romney's Colorado campaign


Bill Owens is why Coloradans have concealed carry

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:24 PM (8sCoq)

177 ya don't got to marry a girl just because you want to see her tits.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:24 PM (LCRYB)

178 It's sounds like he played it perfectly by not letting on until his kick to the nuts.

Don't telegraph your intentions until it is certain the opponent can't respond.


True. I keep forgetting that they didn't know who he was.

They won't forget now.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:24 PM (T0NGe)

179 GOPproud or whatever has managed to convince people that being anti-GOPproud is anti-gay. So that gives them carte blanche to do whatever they want.

Sorry, don't need folks who are going to stick their thumbs in the eyes of conservatives to go talk to conservatives.

Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 02:24 PM (pZDxu)

180 I've heard Dr. Carson speak. He is not easily intimidated. I think he will scare da shit outta the 'tards.

Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 02:24 PM (OlN4e)

181 The very fact that we are elevating Dr. Carson just shows me how desperate we are for someone that can speak intelligently about the conservative (fiscon) cause. Is he qualified? Yes. Do I need to hear A LOT more? Absolutely. He is a breath of fresh air.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 27, 2013 02:24 PM (jucos)

182 #169 With that corrupt legislature? He shouldn't waste his time.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:24 PM (wbmaj)

183 >>>just a catechism to a God of Politics who doesn't exist.

oooo, catchy phrase, might steal that. <GN>BTW "god" need not be capitalized for this usage. </GN>

The flipside of that is Rove refuses to understand that everyone in your party isn't necessarily on your side.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 02:25 PM (0q2P7)

184 I would have you know that Hillary is one half of a multiracial couple.

I don't think that Huma Abedin counts officially.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 02:25 PM (QupBk)

185 Ace. I agree on biography. I was speaking of what happens once in office. But biography matters. And that is where experience comes in. Carson has a great biograPhy. I hope he causes more people to speak out.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 02:25 PM (ItCyz)

186 Good grief....some of you people. No one is asking you to sign up for his campaign. He's just someone to watch. Someone interesting.



That's all. Get your panties out of a twist.

Posted by: Tami at February 27, 2013 02:25 PM (X6akg)

187 The Tea Party just won't accept the idea that a candidate may be
completely right on ideology and yet unelectable due to
biography/personal appeal considerations.


I have to disagree, Ace.

The Tea Parties, as I see them, are not rejecting that a person who is 100% right on ideology may be unelectable, they are rejecting the idea that it's worth winning the election if the person is only 50% right on ideology, or even 80% if that 20% he's missing is in sufficiently important areas.

In those cases, they'll put up the 100% guy and hope, rather than 50% guy who will only manage the decline anyway, and who may still lose.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 02:25 PM (xN73L)

188 With all due respect to the naysayers, what the hell good has it done to nominate the NEXT GUY IN LINE??

Career politicians have been working for you, have they?

OK then, Jeb it is.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2013 02:25 PM (8s2Zq)

189 The only pertinent question is can he get elected.


Nobody gives a shit about any of the stuff you care about. They don't want to even hear about it. They want no part of it.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 02:23 PM (052zE)


You know who can get elected? Mitt Romney, that's who.

And you know who is unelectable? Marco Rubio. Stick with Crist.

Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 02:25 PM (pZDxu)

190 172 >>>
Just not ready to jump on the next new thing and faint like a teeny bopper at a Boy Band concert.

well I'm not telling anyone "Cast your votes now."

Personally, I'm interested. I want to see what he's got.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:23 PM (LCRYB)

______________

Okay--but I know you know what I mean--you know?

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:25 PM (r2PLg)

191 We need more info on this guy before we anoint conservative hope of the week.
Posted by: Dr Spank



9-9-9!

Posted by: beach party at February 27, 2013 02:25 PM (XYSwB)

192 Those who don't think he's been exposed to ruthless politics has never worked for a large hospital or medical group. And I know national and world politics is different, but the roots of all politics are the same.

Yeah, surgeons are arrogant/confident. Same as all medical professionals on the front line. One couldn't do their job if they didn't have it.

Posted by: Soona at February 27, 2013 02:25 PM (+k5d1)

193 whoa.

Check out Drudge. The WH finally jumped the shark.

Posted by: mrp at February 27, 2013 02:26 PM (HjPtV)

194 this man has a bright future as a talking head

Posted by: JDP at February 27, 2013 02:26 PM (60GaT)

195 >That's all. Get your panties out of a twist.


Posted by: Tami at February 27, 2013 02:25 PM (X6akg)


I'm not wearing any. I haven't worn pants since Monday.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:26 PM (8sCoq)

196 this dude will make a fine vice-pres pick for Sarah Palin

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 27, 2013 02:26 PM (3r8Vz)

197 I was being facetious - didn't we already fall in/out of love with Christie, Rubio, Rand, et al?

***

I was never in love with Christie or Rubio, and I haven't given up on Rand.

Dr. Carson is a refreshing new voice for the cause, but I'm not about to jump on that 2016 bandwagon.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 27, 2013 02:26 PM (piMMO)

198 ya don't got to marry a girl just because you want to see her tits.

The argument ad moroni. I'm convinced.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 02:26 PM (QupBk)

199 OT: Obama throws Napolitano under bus for release of illegal alien criminals. That didn't take long.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (wbmaj)

200 They disagree with one part of the conservative canon. I disagree with
GOProud on that point, but I don't think anyone is shoving them down our
throat if we don't swing that way.


The problem with GOProud isn't ideological, it's personal. Like I said above, they use "outing" as a weapon and generally do this -- should I say it? -- drama queen routine every year.

Frankly, the first time they wanted into CPAC, I thought "great, they aren't those log cabin douches who can't even muster fiscal conservatism" but the CPACers may have had the measure of Chris Barron more than I did.

Remember, as big as politics seems, it's really a small club.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (T0NGe)

201
1. Can we sell this man to the people and won 270 electoral votes?

2. Can we surround him with competent advisors to ensure #1?

If we've learned anything in the past two elections, everything else is irrelevant.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (Y4TdB)

202 Rove is an idiot.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (4cRnj)

203 Do they know he's [sotto voice] black?

"The keynote speaker at CPAC is [clang!]"

"What'd he say?"

"I think he said, 'The keynote speaker at CPAC is near."

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (VjL9S)

204 All of us down at the Brattleboro Woman’s Reproductive and Pregnancy Decision Center think that this Dr. Crson is a racist pawn of the Vast right wing conspiracy to make Presdent Obama and persons of color look bad. We hope that the Amercon peeple support Presdent obama with his plan to make America a less racist and mean county.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (90aTA)

205 >>>The Tea Parties, as I see them, are not rejecting that a person who is 100% right on ideology may be unelectable, they are rejecting the idea that it's worth winning the election if the person is only 50% right on ideology, or even 80% if that 20% he's missing is in sufficiently important areas.

all you've done is restate what I said. The Tea Party would rather remain pure and out of office than dirty itself with actual governance, if bad choices need to be made.

I don't like idealists. Never have. I think they're fantastists and juveniles who prefer the world of dreams to the real one, and clap themselves on the back for their "courage" in fleeing the real world.

I do not like this streak of idealism that the Tea Party is so proud of.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (LCRYB)

206
I like Carson and am looking forward with cautious optimism to learning more about him. HOWEVER,...

These "Anybody but Whitey"and "Vagina Owners Only" vibes going on in the GOP and in politics in general is pretty damn troubling. If discrimination was wrong back then, it's wrong now.

Boy am I naive or what?

Posted by: Jaws at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (4I3Uo)

207 I'm not wearing any. I haven't worn pants since Monday.


Are you still able to come within 100 ft of schools?

Posted by: EC at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (GQ8sn)

208
I kinda had hopes for former CO gov Bill Owens, but the guy has virtually disappeared

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:10 PM (8sCoq)



Dead girl, Live Boy?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet


Out of wedlock child with a mistress who worked for him is the actual answer. Wasn't in the news because he declined to run for senate.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 02:28 PM (p/cQy)

209 Dont worry folks, he has the better part of 4 years to make the slightest mistake and the bandwagon jumpers will move on.

Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 02:28 PM (CBCxo)

210 182
#169 With that corrupt legislature? He shouldn't waste his time.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:24 PM (wbmaj)


--Yup. I`m re-watching The Wire yet again, and by all accounts the protrayl of Maryland politics was accurate. What a cesspool. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-it.

Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 02:28 PM (+iA5G)

211 Yeah, he's there to fire up the troops. That's what happens at these shindigs. It is a good thing.

Oh, and how many of you were pushing that bozo petraus when we knew jack shit about his politics?

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 02:29 PM (XjfiS)

212 They only reason they got him is because he's intelligent, inspirational, talented and a great American success story.

Posted by: Dang at February 27, 2013 02:29 PM (R18D0)

213 Are we missing anyone today?

Police arrest 36-year-old Erik Brown after they say he slapped a 16-year-old boy in the face with a Taco Bell burrito.

According to the arrest report, the boy was having a “verbal altercation” with his mother and brother-in-law.


* * *
Zero bonus points for correctly surmising the location of the event.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2013 02:29 PM (Ipj15)

214 Twisted panties you guys.

Posted by: eleven -phd at February 27, 2013 02:29 PM (KXm42)

215 Yes, he kicks ass, but would he be a sudden celebrity is he were white?
Posted by: Invictus at February 27, 2013 02:07 PM (OQpzc)

I think so because he has a very compelling story (even if one didn't consider his race), is ridiculously accomplished, and actually had the guts to stand up to the SCOAMF's worldview in front of the SCOAMF. And he did it in a very clear, understandable manner.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 02:29 PM (6zgse)

216 But can he dance and sing?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:29 PM (wbmaj)

217 >>>Dont worry folks, he has the better part of 4 years to make the slightest mistake and the bandwagon jumpers will move on.

those who abandoned the bandwagon candidates last time 'round did so for "slight" mistakes?

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:29 PM (LCRYB)

218 I do not like this streak of idealism that the Tea Party is so proud of.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (LCRYB)


Because the non-Tea Party candidates were knocking them dead, right?

Why go with a half loaf that won't get baked?

To strain a metaphor.

Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 02:29 PM (pZDxu)

219 I can't wait to interview Dr. Carson.

Posted by: Katy Kuric at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (feFL6)

220 I am a constitutional idealist. So who is the fool?

Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (OlN4e)

221 i think you've got it backwards -- the mistakes were real and serious and the initial appeal was slight.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (LCRYB)

222 #213 The White House?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (wbmaj)

223 no he's just one of the most accomplished brain surgeons in the world. Obviously he's unsuited for the more-intellectual field of politics.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:13 PM (LCRYB)



Not just neurosurgery but pediatric neurosurgery. I forget who said it but it's pretty much true, that's as close to playing God as you can get as a human being.

Personally, my first thought was Sandra yelling at Keanu when he tells her that now the bus is leaking gas "What, you thought you needed another challenge or something?"

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (VtjlW)

224 I'm not wearing any. I haven't worn pants since Monday.


Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:26 PM (8sCoq)


Which Monday?

Posted by: Tami at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (X6akg)

225 I find myself compelled to point out that I have no problem with the idea of him running for office. Also that I love that he's going to CPAC. Even if he never enters the political arena, we need more spokespeople like him.

But I hope you will excuse me if, after: Chris Christie, Hermann Cain, and whoever else on the list of "Next Conservative Hope" have failed that I'll temper my enthusiasm.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (xN73L)

226 @210

It's all in the game...

Posted by: Omar Little at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (CBCxo)

227
Sorry to be the cynical guy in the room, but would we be promoting Carson like this if he was white? I doubt it.
Now, that is not a knock on Carson -- he appears to be a highly accomplished surgeon and has thought deeply about medical care and medical insurance issues. But just because he is an expert in those areas, does not make him the next POTUS.
I also agree that is perfectly fine to take into account racial/geographic/gender identity of a potential candidate -- if that fact can help bring in some votes. But it should not be the overriding consideration.
I definitely want to hear more from Carson. And, I like what I have heard so far, but lets see how he does.

Posted by: nc at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (fkBVg)

228 193
whoa.

Check out Drudge. The WH finally jumped the shark.


There're two things I hate about morons1) Talking about things in their local area without telling where they live. We don't know you, give us a general location as opposed to "around here".
(2) Telling us to check out some other website (usually Drudge or HotAir). Summarize, people.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (T0NGe)

229 Zero bonus points for correctly surmising the location of the event.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2013 02:29 PM (Ipj15)


I smell FLORIDA!

Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (pZDxu)

230 the only bandwagon candidate with genuine, real-world appeal was Rick Perry, and he destroyed himself with mistakes every bit equal to his appeal.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:31 PM (LCRYB)

231 I respect Dr. Carson immensely, but I'm not jumping on the Carson for president bandwagon after one speech and a couple of interviews. But more power to him.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 02:31 PM (6zgse)

232 Ben Carson was in a Farrely Brothers movie.



Wait...what

Posted by: RWC at February 27, 2013 02:31 PM (fWAjv)

233 These "Anybody but Whitey"and "Vagina Owners Only"
vibes going on in the GOP and in politics in general is pretty damn
troubling. If discrimination was wrong back then, it's wrong now.

Boy am I naive or what?

Posted by: Jaws at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (4I3Uo)

Rand is still my guy. White dudes rule!!!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 02:31 PM (xAtAj)

234 193
whoa.

Check out Drudge. The WH finally jumped the shark.


Posted by: mrp at February 27, 2013 02:26 PM (HjPtV)

--Not terribly egregious for this White House. Lying shitbags, they are.

Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 02:31 PM (+iA5G)

235 205 -

Disagree. I think the tea party wants to win just as much as the establishment. They just don't happen to see charlie crist and dick lugar as winning.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2013 02:31 PM (8s2Zq)

236 I respect Dr. Carson immensely, but I'm not jumping on the Carson for
president bandwagon after one speech and a couple of interviews. But
more power to him.



I think that's the consensus around here.

Posted by: EC at February 27, 2013 02:32 PM (GQ8sn)

237 Mitch McConnell is wearing Elaine's panties. I'm sure of it.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:32 PM (wbmaj)

238 221:you could be right as usual ace,

It just strikes me that the bandwagon jumpers overlap with the idealists to some extent. Even if they dont, both strains of thinking are detrimental.

Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 02:32 PM (CBCxo)

239 199
OT: Obama throws Napolitano under bus for release of illegal alien criminals. That didn't take long.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (wbmaj)

So what is she going to do, call them back?

Posted by: joncelli at February 27, 2013 02:32 PM (RD7QR)

240 Posted by: nc at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (fkBVg)

A white guy wouldn't be allowed to say the things he did to Obama's stupid fat face because RACISM!!!


Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 02:32 PM (xAtAj)

241 177 ya don't got to marry a girl just because you want to see her tits.
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:24 PM (LCRYB)

Depends on the girl. Ms. Upton, my offer still stands. Pay no heed to this rapscallion.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 02:32 PM (t06LC)

242 Sorry to be the cynical guy in the room, but would we be promoting Carson like this if he was white?

I think I actually would, provided he's not unsuitable because of some of his unknown positions.

A brilliant doctor running after OCare crushes the healthcare system would be a powerful draw.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 02:32 PM (QupBk)

243 Sorry to be the cynical guy in the room, but would we be promoting Carson like this if he was white? I doubt it.


I have to say, it does piss me off when people say that Obama had some sort of electoral handicap being black. Quite the opposite.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:32 PM (T0NGe)

244 --Yup. I`m re-watching The Wire yet again, and by all accounts the protrayl of Maryland politics was accurate. What a cesspool. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-it.
Posted by: logprof a


Just your typical donk politics. That's where Pelosi is from - her father and her brother were career pols there. Crime is terrible. The drug dealers and the youts like to set people on fire.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 02:32 PM (XjfiS)

245 Telling us to check out some other website (usually Drudge or HotAir). Summarize, people.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (T0NGe)


THIS x2

Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 27, 2013 02:32 PM (q177U)

246 Zero bonus points for correctly surmising the location of the event.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2013 02:29 PM (Ipj15)



I think the key question is were any balloons released during that altercation. If so, SWAT teams for everyone!

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 27, 2013 02:33 PM (VtjlW)

247 Obama throws Napolitano under bus for release of illegal alien criminals.


No one believes that.

Posted by: EC at February 27, 2013 02:33 PM (GQ8sn)

248 >>>I am a constitutional idealist. So who is the fool?

you. As Rush (the band) said, "And if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:33 PM (LCRYB)

249 Can you throw Napolitano under a bus or do you need something bigger, like an aircraft carrier?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:33 PM (wbmaj)

250 Posted by: joncelli at February 27, 2013 02:32 PM (RD7QR)


Hey - they are on "supervised released" - so she could totes get them back anytime she wants.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 27, 2013 02:33 PM (KjlbF)

251 Stuck on You -


Dr. Carson -"If it was going to be raunchy or offensive, or degrading or demeaning to anybody, I wasn't going to do it," he said during a brief discussion in his Hopkins office. He'd seen Mary, seen Dumb and Dumber, knew the kinds of movies Peter and Bobby Farrelly make. "This was actually a little different. I think people will be quite touched by it, it's actually quite a sensitive movie."

Posted by: RWC at February 27, 2013 02:33 PM (fWAjv)

252 Depends on the girl. Ms. Upton, my offer still stands. Pay no heed to this rapscallion.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 02:32 PM (t06LC)

Yeah, about that...

Posted by: Ms. Upton's Lawyers at February 27, 2013 02:33 PM (RD7QR)

253
I said it the other day and i'll say it again
it doesn't matter who the hell you run, the democratic candidate will win because you rethugiKKKants are short sighted idiots
I have to run cause its 44mag and AR15 day at the range and we start at 10
maybe, just maybe i'll explain it to you simpletons when I get back

amazing, it takes a democrat who is actually running for office to tell you idiots how to win a fucking election

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 27, 2013 02:33 PM (3r8Vz)

254 Guys,

We have to do our own internals here. I love Sarah Palin and think she's fantastic. With that out of the way, can we turn to fucking reality here.

The media are nothing but jackals that will go after any candidate any way they can.

We need WALKING DEAD candidates. What I mean by that, is that by their very existence they DESTROY the same stupid fucking narrative that the media has put in Americans' minds about the GOP.

So how does that apply to Palin. Are you fucking kidding me, a semi-hot, Fargo accented chick who does somehow tend to produce crazed-looking stills. ARE YOU GUYS ALL FROM THE NORTH WOODS OR CAN YOU HEAR THAT FUCKING ACCENT.

Just like a crazy northerner accent, a crazy southern accent won't work as well. Sorry Haley Barbour, your chances are doomed.

Politics is so much about optics these days. WE HAVE TO ADAPT AND COUNTER rather than getting assfucked all the time. Jesus, I like Palin and I already knew it was a joke when I heard her speak at the VP debate.

Polished minorities and middle class whites, that carry our message well, is who we need to be the face of the GOP. THAT WILL BE THE ONLY WAY THE MESSAGE GETS THROUGH.

Boehner is ok, but look at fucking Eric Cantor. The guy looks like a fucking pretentious retard, AND I SUPPORT HIM.

If we can't be honest about optics then we will lose for the forseeable future on the national stage. It's really that simple.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 27, 2013 02:34 PM (tVTLU)

255 235
205 -



Disagree. I think the tea party wants to win just as much as the
establishment. They just don't happen to see charlie crist and dick
lugar as winning.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2013 02:31 PM (8s2Zq)
Baggers! all of them!

Posted by: Arlen Specter at February 27, 2013 02:34 PM (AWmfW)

256 Rand is still my guy. White dudes rule!!!


Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 02:31 PM (xAtAj)


Unless they're joos.

Posted by: SecDef Chuck Hagel, Rand Paul approved! at February 27, 2013 02:34 PM (T0NGe)

257 >>>I do not like this streak of idealism that the Tea Party is so proud of.

Well it is a balance on the scale. 'cmon ... McCain. There needed to be weight put on the other side of the scale. It still needs to be there. Reality is not everything the Tea Party wants, but neither is it what Rove et al will settle for to get an (R). Both lead to DOOM in the long run. The tea party pressure on the GOP is needed, even if the tea party is often unwise with the candidates.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 02:34 PM (0q2P7)

258 Most important, what does Karl Rove think of Ben Carson?
Posted by: Marmo at February 27, 2013 02:12 PM (QW+AD)

You beat me to it. We saw what Rove and Fox did to Rick Perry, in addition to what Perry did himself in debates.

Rove needs to quit his PAC and go back to TX. After his election day tantrum, I was surprised FNC let him back on air.

Posted by: CarolT at February 27, 2013 02:34 PM (z4WKX)

259 The "tea party" is obviously now just a catch-all phrase for all sorts of ills on the right of the Party. Sadly the term has run it's course and is now meaningless.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 27, 2013 02:34 PM (ZshNr)

260
241 ya don't got to marry a girl just because you want to see her tits.
you've never met mrscopjoe ace
i'll send you the dreaded 40th bday at the beach pic

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 27, 2013 02:34 PM (3r8Vz)

261 #239 Flash: Recently released illegal alien criminals break into Napolitano's home and steal prized dildo/vibrator collection!!!!!!

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:34 PM (wbmaj)

262 As Rush (the band) said, "And if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:33 PM (LCRYB)

_______________

Oh thank Gaia.

I thought...


dude never be ashamed of America--that will mean the Euro Weenies have won.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:35 PM (r2PLg)

263 The Tea Party just won't accept the idea that a candidate may be completely right on ideology and yet unelectable due to biography/personal appeal considerations.

You keep saying that, but Romney was in no universe a Tea Party favorite. Let's rate him on those 3 points:

1) Fine on ideology, not perfect, but acceptable.

2) A great biography, but all the LIVs heard was Rover on the Roof b/w Magical Cancer Ray, and the campaign made very little attempt to puncture that narrative.

3) Exit polling was something like 70/30 that he had no or negative personal appeal.

Ya see Ace, the TP and SoCons aren't disclaiming that compromise is necessary, it's just that if y'all claim to know the Ultimate Secret of Elections we want to know why Rove hasn't won one since 2004.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 02:35 PM (B/VB5)

264 Obama throws Napolitano under bus for release of illegal alien criminals.


No one believes that.


Looks like that little trial balloon was made of mylar.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:35 PM (T0NGe)

265 177 ya don't got to marry a girl just because you want to see her tits.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:24 PM (LCRYB)

No?

Posted by: BignJames at February 27, 2013 02:35 PM (Sg0G/)

266 By the time we get our crack team of reporters, video and audio editors, context deleters and the rest of our foul smelling crew on Dr Carson, we'll have the general population believing that he personally made Rosa Parks sit in the back of the bus.

That's our job, and we take it seriously.

Posted by: THE MSM - Your betters at February 27, 2013 02:36 PM (feFL6)

267 Hey - they are on "supervised released" - so she could totes get them back anytime she wants.

Good point. Did anyone ask Carney if the Whitehouse approved retroactively by not stopping further releases?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 02:36 PM (QupBk)

268 #259 All of you are welcome to join my newly formed "Jack Daniels Party." Tea is for pussies.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:36 PM (wbmaj)

269 AllenG: "Where does he stand on the Right of Return?
What does he believe about the TSA, or all of DHS for that matter?
Pro-life or pro-choice?
What does he believe is the proper roll of the Federal Government?"


To 1 and 2, don't know.

To 3, he's Seventh-Day Adventist Christian, so very limited-abortion.

To 4, he bashed Federal spending, Obamacare, our educational system; he promoted "flat-tax" and likened it to a limited "tithe". It would be easy to infer a limited role of government.

That he said all of point 4 to Obama says to me he doesn't fear him which is more than can be said about 90% of the GOP.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 27, 2013 02:36 PM (eHIJJ)

270 Charlie Crist and Arlen Specter are not a catch-all argument for everything the Tea Party's done

Posted by: JDP at February 27, 2013 02:36 PM (60GaT)

271 >Which Monday?


Posted by: Tami at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (X6akg)

Just this past Monday. I'm no bum.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:36 PM (8sCoq)

272
"I'm not jumping on the Carson for
president bandwagon after one speech and a couple of interviews."


I am. I'm jumping. I'm in a jumping mood. I'm tired of living in a crouch of fear and despair. Jumping I am.

Posted by: rrpjr at February 27, 2013 02:36 PM (3ChLr)

273 There is not near enough information to judge whether he is suited at this point. He needs to communicate a great deal of data about his views on a wide spectrum of issues before everyone can decide. He is also going to need to prove he can cope with the demands of a campaign(health condition etc) and has some sort of experience people will except in lieu of a managerial or political role. Intelligence is not a factor, but many bright, talented people are not good managers or gifted at relating to large groups of people.

But meanwhile, he will drive the media into a frenzy of further investigations and attempts to brand him as a religious fanatic and so forth. If he survives it, it will be his political rite of passage, and indicate how he stands up under fire. He's proved that he has courage and integrity, but in today's political climate, there are other necessary qualities.

"In the philosophical context, we are devoted to ideas not men, but when it comes to elections, Ideas are not running for Senate."
A president has to be wise a snake and wily as a fox to lead this nation and outmanuever the DC hyenas. Moreover, with our present mode of communication between presidents and the population, a candidate has to have a high degree of chrisma. Standing up to our bully of a president, is brave and mesmerizing, but will that charecteristic transmit as charisma during a speech. Will he be able to connect to secular people, younger people... Lots and lots of questions.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 02:36 PM (g5wi5)

274 I don't like idealists. Never have. I think they're fantastists and
juveniles who prefer the world of dreams to the real one, and clap
themselves on the back for their "courage" in fleeing the real world.


Because being "Pragmatic" for the last 60 years has worked so well. We had a decent run with Reagan (and, I'll point out, most Tea Partiers would take Reagan in a heart-beat- even knowing that he had approved Amnesty and ended up raising tax rates). Every other Republican President in the last 60 years has either merely managed the decline or actively made things worse.

So, yes, the Tea Parties would like to stop doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. What we'd really like are likeable, non-wonkish people who would stand up for the principles we hold dear. Until that happens, we'll keep putting up people who at least do stand up for the principles we hold dear.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 02:36 PM (xN73L)

275 I think this is why the Tea Party and Rove are fighting. The Tea Party just won't accept the idea that a candidate may be completely right on ideology and yet unelectable due to biography/personal appeal considerations.
----
Ok. But, I'd argue two-way street. The Rovians don't seem to be able to accept that a candiate who does have an ideology that appeals to the TPers could possibly be electable. Chicken and egg, which is what is so exasperating about the whole thing.





Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at February 27, 2013 02:36 PM (YmPwQ)

276 The Tea Party supported Ted Cruz, so there's that.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 02:36 PM (4cRnj)

277 244: Yep I recently explained to someone that Botox Ganny's dad was a corrupt mayor of baltimore; before deciding the "corrupt" modifier was unnecessary.

perhaps simply "maryland democrat" is the most succinct way of putting it.

Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 02:36 PM (CBCxo)

278 These "Anybody but Whitey"and "Vagina Owners Only"
vibes going on in the GOP and in politics in general is pretty damn
troubling. If discrimination was wrong back then, it's wrong now.

Boy am I naive or what?

Posted by: Jaws at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (4I3Uo)

What's worse is you'll see people here and on other blogs moaning about boring old white guys. Sad to see supposed conservatives internalizing such leftist nonsense.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (BuSM8)

279 So how does that apply to Palin. Are you fucking kidding me, a semi-hot,
Fargo accented chick who does somehow tend to produce crazed-looking
stills. ARE YOU GUYS ALL FROM THE NORTH WOODS OR CAN YOU HEAR THAT
FUCKING ACCENT.


Since you asked, I am from the north woods. I have the same accent, eh. And quit yelling.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (KjlbF)

280 "Check out Drudge" = "check out some unspecified part of a 100-item list that changes several times an hour."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (NEk2w)

281 Qualifications seem not to enter into it.

Allen, as a fellow Texan, I'm a bit surprised by your statement. In 2016, 'experience' will be ALL that matters!! (HiLIARy or Joey Shotgun).

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (UU0OF)

282 If your computer suddenly freezes and the screen says the FBI has locked it because you broke the law, ignore the threat that you'll be locked up unless you pay up. It's the latest scam.

A Whitehall Township senior citizen got scared into sending $200 to the crooks. His computer isn't the only one locally that's caught the virus. An Allentown computer shop owner told me he's seen several infected PCs in the past few weeks.

Posted by: Nadya Suleman at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (e8kgV)

283 MSNBC will report that Dr Carson is in fact, white

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (8sCoq)

284 Flash: Obama blames Bush for release of illegal alien criminals. News at 11.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (wbmaj)

285 I like any blog that discusses Kate Upton and "supervised release" in the same string.

Posted by: USA at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (RIg+t)

286 Reagan was the right-most candidate in that race

Posted by: JDP at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (60GaT)

287 If we can't be honest about optics then we will lose for the forseeable future on the national stage. It's really that simple.
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 27, 2013 02:34 PM (tVTLU)

____________

--which means--no Fat Man and no Little Man.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (r2PLg)

288 Just elect Matt Damon president and get it over with; Ben Affleck as Veep


dream ticket, no?

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (Dll6b)

289 You want an unidealistic Republican? There are several, they helped Chuck Hagel become Sec. of Def. I will cling to my guns and my foolishness.

Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (OlN4e)

290 1 Ben carson trumps DD Cupp and GOPProud....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (LRFds)

291 Who cares? SE Cupp won't be there, so it is unimportant.

Posted by: gm at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (/kBoL)

292 "Check out Drudge" = "check out some unspecified part of a 100-item list that changes several times an hour."


Is Miss Teen Delaware's porno still linked?

Posted by: EC at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (GQ8sn)

293 Benjamin Carson keeps the Healthcare debate alive, which is paramount to our cause.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 27, 2013 02:38 PM (UypUQ)

294 I love Clarence Thomas and think he is brilliant and his story is just as uplifting if not moreso than Carson.

That said, I would not advocate for him to be President as my first choiceonly because in spite of his brillianceit seems he has trouble balancing a check book and handling his own money. At least according to his biography.

Ideology has to be backed up with the ability to discern cause and effect, grasp of economics and leadershipand management skills.

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 02:38 PM (m2CN7)

295 "(2) Telling us to check out some other website (usually Drudge or HotAir). Summarize, people."

I would have for Hot Air. Drudge, however, is as subtle as a ball bat.

Posted by: mrp at February 27, 2013 02:38 PM (HjPtV)

296
"Can you throw Napolitano under a bus or do you need something bigger, like an aircraft carrier?"

JNap is most at home under a Subaru wagon.

Posted by: Jaws at February 27, 2013 02:38 PM (4I3Uo)

297 Carson seems like a nice guy but, when the Democrats decide they've heard enough of him, they'll completely destroy him within six months. So, good luck Mr. Carson. I hope you know what you're in for...

Posted by: Joejm65 at February 27, 2013 02:38 PM (UZuc4)

298 posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:29 PM (LCRYB)

Ace I did not abandon Perry until he quit. I thought he had the strongest resume. He had the best ideas, he announced too soon after his back surgery. I know because I have had two neck surgeries. Carol

Posted by: CarolT at February 27, 2013 02:38 PM (z4WKX)

299 #276 At least he is not a witch or warlock.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:38 PM (wbmaj)

300 ah you betcha

oh gee

yah
yah
oh yah

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:38 PM (8sCoq)

301
Polished minorities and middle class whites, that carry our message well, is who we need to be the face of the GOP. THAT WILL BE THE ONLY WAY THE MESSAGE GETS THROUGH.

Posted by: Prescient11





I agree! Do I get my old parking space back?

Michael Steele

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 27, 2013 02:39 PM (kdS6q)

302 that 'London Boys' thing instead of Miss Teen Porn was cruel; very cruel

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 27, 2013 02:39 PM (Dll6b)

303
>>>Sorry to be the cynical guy in the room, but would we be promoting Carson like this if he was white?

You mean if he had successfully thumbed his nose at a petulant Obama in a very public manner in such a way that all Obama could do was sit there smile and clap fleetingly and all the press could do was try not to talk too much about it and yet was white. You bet.

I'm not saying him being black didn't help him do all those things. I'm saying it wasn't our racism that is involved it was theirs. That's what he did, and that would get anyone of conservative mindset a speaking slot at CPAC regardless of race.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 02:39 PM (0q2P7)

304 #296 I bet she likes to hide in the bushes so to speak.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:39 PM (wbmaj)

305 Rand voted for Hagel. Fuck him.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 02:39 PM (XjfiS)

306 302 that 'London Boys' thing instead of Miss Teen Porn was cruel; very cruel
Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 27, 2013 02:39 PM (Dll6b)

I knew it was coming, but still. Down twinkies on that one.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 02:40 PM (t06LC)

307 >>>Ya see Ace, the TP and SoCons aren't disclaiming that compromise is necessary, it's just that if y'all claim to know the Ultimate Secret of Elections we want to know why Rove hasn't won one since 2004.

this is silly. This is the Newt line.

Get this: A close election will be close and could go either way.

A *good* candidate is going to wind up a near thing.

But the Tea Party keeps putting up bad candidates who aren't *even in the game.*

Christine O'Donnell was not in the game. It was a blow-out. Sharron Angle lost to a very wounded Harry Reid. That idiot in Colorado lost.

Personally I would have done what the Tea Party did and rolled the dice with Mourdoch (and lost with them); I was big on the Joe Miller bandwagon (and lost with them, bizarrely).

Yes, they also put up good candidates... which is, shockingly enough, when I jump on the Tea Party bandwagon myself.

But I am tired of fucking being told that THE OUTCOME OF ELECTIONS DOESN'T MATTER IN POLITICS.

Do people fucking understand how insane they sound when they make ego-protecting excuses like "Well, sure there's a Democrat in the Senate from Delaware now, but in a way, that's a victory for small government principles"?


Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:40 PM (LCRYB)

308 For DFW mornons, Dr. Ben Carson is taping a segment at lifetoday (James Robinson's studio) on Thur at 10a.

Posted by: dogfish at February 27, 2013 02:40 PM (NuPNl)

309 I do not like this streak of idealism that the Tea Party is so proud of.
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:27 PM (LCRYB)


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I've been to numerous Tea Party gatherings. All I've ever heard from anyone about idealism is returning to a more Constitutional governance and reforming the US tax code. How is that purist?

Every organization has their nuts. The Tea Party is no exception. But as a whole, I've found them very evenly keeled as to what needs to be done to restore this country.

And, yes, the TP has socons. But we're not going to have any fiscal conservatism without, at least, discussing social conservatism.

Posted by: Soona at February 27, 2013 02:40 PM (+k5d1)

310 And by WALKING DEAD political candidates, what I mean is when on the TV show they smeared themselves in zombie blood and used castrated zombies in chains to make it past all the other zombies.

We need to bathe in the blood of the left's/media's obvious attacks. Which are: GOP is out of touch, old, racist, homphobic white dudes that never fought in a war and who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth and are really fucking rich.

That's what the left has, in a sentence. We need to slaughter these arguments with the faces of our candidates and get back to the message...

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 27, 2013 02:40 PM (tVTLU)

311 What's the SE story? Did she uninvite herself?

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 27, 2013 02:40 PM (w0StH)

312 And what exactly is the deal on S E Cupp?


Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:40 PM (8sCoq)

313 >>>Ace I did not abandon Perry until he quit. I thought he had the strongest resume. He had the best ideas, he announced too soon after his back surgery. I know because I have had two neck surgeries. Carol

me neither, I was a bitter ender

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:41 PM (LCRYB)

314
All of you are welcome to join my newly formed "Jack Daniels Party." Tea is for pussies.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia


I'm more of a Makers Mark man.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 02:41 PM (p/cQy)

315 in 2016 there'll be a blue/purple state governor who gets nominated, hopefully without the Romney baggage (which was apolitical despite people's attempts to say he lost cuz of a Romneycare or w/e.) someone who has a rapport with the "average joes" without coming off as a boob.

there'll be gnashing of teeth but y'all know it's gonna happen

Posted by: JDP at February 27, 2013 02:41 PM (60GaT)

316 it seems he has trouble balancing a check book and handling his own money. At least according to his biography.

Ideology has to be backed up with the ability to discern cause and effect, grasp of economics and leadershipand management skills.


Part of great management skills is knowing your own weaknesses (like, say, pointing them out in a biography) and surrounding yourself with people you can delegate those things to. To me, that was actually one of the best things Mitt had going for him, and unsurprisingly it was also a strong suit of both Reagan and George W. Bush.

By contrast, a manager that tries to do everything himself will always fail. Consider TFG, who appoints a Cabinet and a shitload of czars and then never talks to most of them.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 02:41 PM (B/VB5)

317 S.E. Cupp? That doesn't smell like Teen Spirit.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:41 PM (wbmaj)

318 Don't you dare bring up Michael Steele!!! But why not use Mr. Steele in minority outreach programs. Absolutely. He didn't work out as the party leader/campaign strategist, but that does not mean he can't be valuable in other endeavors.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 27, 2013 02:42 PM (tVTLU)

319 >>>And what exactly is the deal on S E Cupp?


we don't gotta marry her

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:42 PM (LCRYB)

320
"I've been to numerous Tea Party gatherings. All I've ever heard from anyone about idealism is returning to a more Constitutional governance and reforming the US tax code. How is that purist?"
Posted by: Soona at February 27, 2013 02:40 PM (+k5d1)



Thanks. Exactly right. I've been to a dozen tea party events. Totally level-headed and dedicated people.

Posted by: rrpjr at February 27, 2013 02:42 PM (3ChLr)

321 "Lallapalooza Announces Big Get: Local virtuouso small club fusion guitarist"

Posted by: Your Reality Check at February 27, 2013 02:42 PM (pmsMR)

322 #314 We have a big tent. Everyone with alcohol is welcome.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:42 PM (wbmaj)

323 Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:42 PM (LCRYB)


I would like to see those double p's.

Posted by: USA at February 27, 2013 02:43 PM (RIg+t)

324 Maker's Mark is just Jim Beam that's been pissed in.


yet you Bourbon Snobs foolishly persist...

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 27, 2013 02:43 PM (Dll6b)

325
"Rand voted for Hagel. Fuck him. "

What exactly was the inside baseball / too clever by half / will never become accepted history explaination for that bonehead move again?

Posted by: Jaws at February 27, 2013 02:43 PM (4I3Uo)

326 The White House repeatedly asked Ben Carson for his speech before the rising Republican star criticized President Obama at the National Prayer Breakfast earlier this month.

Carson, a prominent neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins University, declined to do so, noting that he doesn’t put his speeches down on paper beforehand.

“I told them that I don’t have an advance copy because I don’t write out my speeches and I don’t use teleprompters …they asked more than once ... I gave them the [Biblical] texts around which the remarks would be framed ... I said read those texts, the remarks will be framed around those ... that should have told them something,” Carson said in an interview with The Hill this week.

Posted by: Witch of the West at February 27, 2013 02:43 PM (e8kgV)

327 276
The Tea Party supported Ted Cruz, so there's that.


Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 02:36 PM (4cRnj)

For being such a young phenomenon and having powerful enemies , the tea party have great results.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 27, 2013 02:43 PM (AWmfW)

328
Ace I did not abandon Perry until he quit. I thought he had the strongest resume. He had the best ideas, he announced too soon after his back surgery. I know because I have had two neck surgeries. Carol
Posted by: CarolT at February 27, 2013 02:38 PM (z4WKX)


this might interst you: http://goo.gl/OFDkY

I hate the shitty Texas Tribune. They are a bunch of NE punks.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 02:44 PM (XjfiS)

329 The refresh on this site is enough to give ya an epileptic seizure. WTF is that happening?

Posted by: Tami at February 27, 2013 02:44 PM (X6akg)

330
303
I am all for Carson speaking a CPAC. I also thought his speech was great -- regardless of the color of his skin. My only point is that there would be no presidential talk being swung around if a white surgeon gave that speech.
Lets be fair to Carson -- he is getting ready to get dunked into partisan politics. Lets see if he sinks or swims. If he swims -- then I am all for taking a closer look at him. But he just put his toe in the water. Let not set up our own affirmative action program for AA Republicans and promote people who have not proven themselves in the political arena. If he thrives in the political enviroment, then I could care less about the color of his skin.

Posted by: nc at February 27, 2013 02:44 PM (fkBVg)

331 It seems she is a liberal masquerading as a conservative in order to book gigs

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:44 PM (8sCoq)

332 Prescient11, dude, ease up on the caps and exclamation points. And the coffee.

Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2013 02:44 PM (0PiQ4)

333 318 despite the current GOP panic it'll probably be more about the Midwest cracker vote, while holding down black/Hispanic losses

Posted by: JDP at February 27, 2013 02:44 PM (60GaT)

334
Roght now we've got absolutely nothing going for us.

If we had any political sense we'd seize upon anyone who is capable of creating a buzz.

And if his star should fade, we walk away and find someone else to carry the torch. Pump him 'n dump him. The important thing is to get our torch lit and keep it burning.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 02:44 PM (DlaLh)

335 >The refresh on this site is enough to give ya an epileptic seizure. WTF is that happening?


Posted by: Tami at February 27, 2013 02:44 PM (X6akg)

try FF

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:45 PM (8sCoq)

336 But I am tired of fucking being told that THE OUTCOME OF ELECTIONS DOESN'T MATTER IN POLITICS.

If you'd actually read the post you were replying to, I was saying exactly that all us horrible people would love to see your side's history of wonderful outcomes so we can get on board.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 02:45 PM (B/VB5)

337 325
"Rand voted for Hagel. Fuck him. "

What exactly was the inside baseball / too clever by half / will never become accepted history explaination for that bonehead move again?
Posted by: Jaws


Uh...they both hate the Jooooos?

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 02:45 PM (XjfiS)

338
or we can wait until Ronald Reagan walks through the door

Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (39q3n)

339 try FF


Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:45 PM (8sCoq)


That's what I use. Page jumps all over the place before settling down.

Posted by: Tami at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (X6akg)

340 I'll tell you what, what I'd really like to see is the ideas of an Article V convention or actual secession start being taken seriously.

I've never been against secession (generally). Every time there's a problem in some hellhole my first thought is "break it up into different countries; why make one ethnic group subservient to another, if neither can stand each other"?

I used to have a great deal of pride in America itself and didn't like the idea of that solution for us.

But I would like to see, say, Texas explore its viability as a separate nation.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (LCRYB)

341 Ace,

Have you been to a TEA party meeting?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (Ipj15)

342 331 It seems she is a liberal masquerading as a conservative in order to book gigs
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:44 PM (8sCo

_________________

She Blinded You --with Science Boobs!

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (r2PLg)

343 Holy shit, in 151 ace said exactly what the fuck I'm saying. ELEVENTY!!!!

You fuckers are like Nixon refusing to put on makeup before a presidential debate.

OPTICS MATTER. ACCENTS MATTER.

Now get with the fucking program.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (tVTLU)

344 @315:

I've been thinking something similar. Senators have to make wayyyy too many tough calls and compromises to get through the primary. We've seen 2 senator contenders take major hits in this month alone.

Start lookin at the RGA website cause I'm betting we get a governor. Any two termer should at least be considered.

Hell, the govs of IA and TX have like 30 years in office between the 2 of em.

Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (CBCxo)

345 Haven't the media already pointed out that this brilliant neurosurgeon is anti-science? I believe he harbors some skepticism about evolution in that benighted heart of his.

'Course, so do I.

Posted by: As long as Mindy's little Barry-Poo is happy, that's what matters at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (U/+f9)

346 Yeah, but what about our fat guy?

Posted by: NY Slime Editors at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (wR+pz)

347 I'm getting a Herman Cain vibe up in here.
Posted by: Dr Spank
I'm not. I liked Cain but alas he came with baggage and the constant mantra of his 5 point (or whatever it was) plan got old fast.
I don't believe that you will find any hidden skeletons with the doc. I think that he has a very charasmatic and appealing personality across the board and of course is highly accomplished.
What would a debate between him and Hillary look like?

Posted by: Cheri at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (G+Wff)

348 we don't gotta marry her

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:42 PM (LCRYB)


Why buy the cow when you can get the MILF for free?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:47 PM (T0NGe)

349 A lot of the Tea Party people were people who were against Obamacare and the large increases to the deficit they saw coming, they were not experienced political operatives.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 02:47 PM (4cRnj)

350 >>>The only pertinent question is can he get elected.

Short form answer: NO.

Long answer: He based his reply about taxation on Biblical prinicples. That's enough to pry open a can of fake worms for Libs/Progs of all stripes. Further utterances may confirm that, who knows?

I like the guy, I love that he told TFG to go fuck himself to his face. We need that. Dr. Carson may be a leading light for a new direction. But he's not electable.

Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at February 27, 2013 02:47 PM (3ZtZW)

351 >That's what I use. Page jumps all over the place before settling down.


Posted by: Tami at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (X6akg)

could be a hardware issue, but I'm no expert. I don't even wear pants, most days.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:47 PM (8sCoq)

352 340 I'll tell you what, what I'd really like to see is the ideas of an Article V convention or actual secession start being taken seriously.

I've never been against secession (generally). Every time there's a problem in some hellhole my first thought is "break it up into different countries; why make one ethnic group subservient to another, if neither can stand each other"?

I used to have a great deal of pride in America itself and didn't like the idea of that solution for us.

But I would like to see, say, Texas explore its viability as a separate nation.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (LCRYB)

__________

Without Texas youth to man the army--China gets tempted.

I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:47 PM (r2PLg)

353 But I hope you will excuse me if, after: Chris Christie, Hermann Cain, and whoever else on the list of "Next Conservative Hope" have failed that I'll temper my enthusiasm.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 02:30 PM (xN73L)

I'm with you. But I would love to hear more from Dr. Carson. I think he does a great job of articulating conservative principles (the ones I've heard him discuss anyhow). And let's face it, in today's unfortunately race-obsessed society (thanks MBM and liberals and Obama!), his being black may make some people pay attention. But then again, maybe not. We all know that the MBM will be vicious with anyone who doesn't capitulate to their boyfriend.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 02:47 PM (6zgse)

354 Marco Rubio was backed (and Thrust Forth ) by the Tea Party


took on Orange Charlie, he did, as well as what's left of the Old Bush Crowd in Fla

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 27, 2013 02:47 PM (Dll6b)

355 Without Texas youth to man the army--China gets tempted.

I'm not convinced that isn't a feature. I'd pay to watch China invade Berkeley on pay-per-view, in fact.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 02:48 PM (B/VB5)

356 Has the MSM called Carson a 'house negro' yet? That's an indication he's having some effect.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:48 PM (8sCoq)

357 or we can wait until Ronald Reagan walks through the door





Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (39q3n)

We prefer to crucify all our candidates for minor infractions. Even though the '16 field looks better than.... boy I dunno, since Reagan I guess?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 02:48 PM (xAtAj)

358 But I would like to see, say, Texas explore its viability as a separate nation.





Posted by: ace


*faints*

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 02:48 PM (4cRnj)

359
Ahh. A whiskey debate within a tea party vs republican debate rapped up in a conservative vs libertarian debate.

That's what brings me to the AoSHQ.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 02:49 PM (p/cQy)

360 What's worse is you'll see people here and on other
blogs moaning about boring old white guys. Sad to see supposed
conservatives internalizing such leftist nonsense.


Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 27, 2013 02:37 PM (BuSM

--Name a white male Republican over 60 *you* can see winning in '16.

Posted by: logprof at February 27, 2013 02:49 PM (+iA5G)

361 chill Prescient, it's a blog, not GOP galactic headquarters

Posted by: JDP at February 27, 2013 02:49 PM (60GaT)

362 But I am tired of fucking being told that THE OUTCOME OF ELECTIONS DOESN'T MATTER IN POLITICS.


Here's the question, Ace. Did the Tea Party support Scott Brown? Did they support Chris Christie (we knew he was a gun-grabber from the beginning)?

Yes. Of course we know that the outcome of elections matter. And of course we know that getting someone who agrees with us 10% is better than someone who agrees 0% when those are the only two option.

What we reject is that (in most cases) those are the only two options. Sharon Angle looked like she was going to win up to the day before election day. The Tea Parties also supported Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.

How many "establishment" or "pragmatic" candidates have lost in the last 5 years, ace? You have a definite selection bias here- you choose to remember the losers as "Tea Party Candidates" and either don't label the Tea Party candidates who won as such, or pretend "Well, everyone supported them," when that is not the case.

If the Tea Parties are responsible for Sharon Angle and Christine O'Donnell, why don't the "pragmatists" have to be responsible for John McCain and Mitt Romney?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 02:49 PM (xN73L)

363 >>>Without Texas youth to man the army--China gets tempted.


tempted to what, take Taiwan?

We have bigger problems right here at home.

Besides, I don't think Texas would be a pacifist nation.

Further, right now the American military is being degraded by Obama. Better to break it up into pieces where liberals aren't in control of all of it.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:49 PM (LCRYB)

364 None of this is about race. Black liberals demonize black conservatives as much or more than white liberals demonize white conservatives. The tribalism at play here is ideology, cast in the guise of race.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:49 PM (wbmaj)

365 Obviously, part of Carson's appeal is he seems to stand up to Obama, which he did in his own personal way, right in front of him. We conservatives are a little dejected because we don't see a lot of that right now.

But Carson clearly has much more to offer than simply that.

I say we wish him well and see where he is in a couple years. But get him out there, get him some experience. As OSP said, let's take a little test drive.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 02:49 PM (gmeXX)

366 311
What's the SE story? Did she uninvite herself?


Posted by: Waterhouse at February 27, 2013 02:40 PM (w0StH)

A bad case of Tourette.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 27, 2013 02:50 PM (AWmfW)

367 >Ahh. A whiskey debate within a tea party vs republican debate rapped up in a conservative vs libertarian debate.

That's what brings me to the AoSHQ.



but what's the sex angle?

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:50 PM (8sCoq)

368 312 And what exactly is the deal on S E Cupp?


Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 02:40 PM (8sCoq)


Besides the Pron name?

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 27, 2013 02:50 PM (UZQM8)

369 "I'll tell you what, what I'd really like to see is the ideas of an Article V convention or actual secession start being taken seriously."

Uh -- if you care about winning elections, I am not sure that is a position I would seriously advocate as electoral strategy.

Posted by: nc at February 27, 2013 02:50 PM (fkBVg)

370 I think its very interesting that the collowing people may run for the GOP ticket in '16:

Jindal
Carson
Martinez
Rubio
Nikki Haley

All minorities/women, which would shatter the reputation of the GOP being led by white-males if 3-4 of thoese decide to run. On top of quality candidates like Walker and Pence, we could end up with an embarrassment of riches from which to vote for.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 27, 2013 02:50 PM (UypUQ)

371 I'm not convinced that isn't a feature. I'd pay to watch China invade Berkeley on pay-per-view, in fact.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 02:48 PM (B/VB5)

______________

LOL!--That might look like yellow on yellow action .

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:50 PM (r2PLg)

372 319 Ace,

and she ain't paid(in theory) to be big chested punching bag for Tarde...yet here we sit.

You show me any intelligent analysis by DD Cupp on anything I'll show you a medal for being more perceptive than me.

DD sleeps literally and figuratively with the enemy and convinces none our cause is better.

"flush"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 02:51 PM (LRFds)

373 Carson, I think, will be what we hoped Cain would be.

A conservative Black vote.

I pray Carson hasn't been fucking around.

I am sure if he has, the MSM is interviewing the girl/boy right now.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 02:51 PM (wR+pz)

374 hate the shitty Texas Tribune. They are a bunch of NE punks.
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 02:44 PM (XjfiS)


Should I thank you for that? I will. Carol

Posted by: CarolT at February 27, 2013 02:51 PM (z4WKX)

375 or we can wait until Ronald Reagan walks through the door

It would be more of a zombie shuffle at this point, alas? Of course, watching him eat Hillary's brain at the debate would be must see TV.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 02:51 PM (QupBk)

376 D.D. Cupp --- heh

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 27, 2013 02:52 PM (Dll6b)

377 Jack Daniels' Party first Keynote speaker: George Thorogood to explain his inspiration for the classic "I Drink Alone."

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 27, 2013 02:52 PM (wbmaj)

378 China has way too much to lose by attacking Taiwan/Japan.

Global trade is far too important to their growing economy. War would destroy their economy.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 02:52 PM (xAtAj)

379 but what's the sex angle?

There's a Clinton joke in there somewhere.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 27, 2013 02:52 PM (w0StH)

380 LA: Jindal
NV: Sandoval
NM: Martinez
WI: Walker
VA: McDonnell
TX: Perry
anyone else good I'm missing?

We'll nominante a Governor in 2016, bank on it.

Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 02:52 PM (CBCxo)

381 DD sleeps literally and figuratively with the enemy and convinces none our cause is better.

"literally"? Her husband is chief-of-staff to a GOP Rep from ID.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 27, 2013 02:52 PM (T0NGe)

382 Don't worry. He'll get cained.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 27, 2013 02:52 PM (l/N7H)

383 Puerto Rico voted for statehood so lets swipe them for Texas. The Dems might go for it.


I'll feel bad for those left behind.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 02:52 PM (4cRnj)

384 362 Allen G,

eh I dunno maybe Allah at tepid id right and I have to start setting aside 8,500 for Kirspy Kreme....

then again I'm betting I'd rather have a few nice rifles or a stake in moron industries in texas...

Texas for the Texans.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 02:53 PM (LRFds)

385 >>>We'll nominante a Governor in 2016, bank on it.

dr. carson is a Governor of the Hippocampus

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:53 PM (LCRYB)

386 Christine O'Donnell was not in the game.


Like claiming racism, this is just getting old and tiresome.

O'Donnell was near the beginning of the tea party organization -- more in its infancy stages. The Tea Party folks have matured and learned along the way. It takes time to get solid feet, especially on such slimy ground.

They represent a real grass roots organization of Americans who had the balls to stand up and start fighting. Yes, they will make mistakes, but, for God's sake, stop with the O'Donnell thing.

There's been some good candidates and bad.

It's part of the process.

The current GOP is full of idiots. Worse than O'Donnell, imho. Much worse.

Posted by: beach party at February 27, 2013 02:53 PM (XYSwB)

387 Jindal
Carson
Martinez
Rubio
Nikki Haley


Yup. I'd be thrilled to support any of those guys, Rubio included.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 02:53 PM (B/VB5)

388 Jack Daniel's and Maker's Mark both lose to the insurgent Moonshine Party. Keynote Speaker, Tickle.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 27, 2013 02:54 PM (ZshNr)

389 me neither, I was a bitter ender

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:41 PM (LCRYB)

Ace, Perry has a sunny optimistic nature and it's not fake. He would have done better than Romney. I live in MA and still hold Romneycare against him.

Posted by: CarolT at February 27, 2013 02:54 PM (z4WKX)

390 369 NC,

yeah it sure hurt the donks in 2001 and 2005 didn't it.

If Obama is a great American I am not one at all, if Krispy Kreme is the best the GOP can do I am not a republican.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 02:54 PM (LRFds)

391 362

the only people "responsible for Mitt Romney" are the people who refused to run and left his opposition to candidates people didn't take seriously

Posted by: JDP at February 27, 2013 02:54 PM (60GaT)

392 363 >>>Without Texas youth to man the army--China gets tempted.


tempted to what, take Taiwan?

We have bigger problems right here at home.

Besides, I don't think Texas would be a pacifist nation.

Further, right now the American military is being degraded by Obama. Better to break it up into pieces where liberals aren't in control of all of it.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:49 PM (LCRYB)

**************

363 >>>Without Texas youth to man the army--China gets tempted.


tempted to what, take Taiwan?

We have bigger problems right here at home.

Besides, I don't think Texas would be a pacifist nation.

Further, right now the American military is being degraded by Obama. Better to break it up into pieces where liberals aren't in control of all of it.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:49 PM (LCRYB)

Further, right now the American military is being degraded by Obama. Better to break it up into pieces where liberals aren't in control of all of it.

_____________

The US military survived the 70's, Carter and the RIFT.

I'm hoping the country survives Obama.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:54 PM (r2PLg)

393 >>>Do people fucking understand how insane they sound when they make
ego-protecting excuses like "Well, sure there's a Democrat in the Senate
from Delaware now, but in a way, that's a victory for small government
principles"?

Your refusal to see some of the other facets of this are...disturbing.

The Republican party made it its business to ignore the base when it came to candidate selection. They also made it clear that until it cost them elections they would continue to ignore the base. So the base made it cost elections.

The price wasn't set by the tea party, it was set by the GOP. The tea party has made mistakes. But so has the GOP.

No I don't want to be out of power I would much rather have had those seats. But if we hadn't of pushed back at some point, we will never get a decent candidates. That said. I would sure like to have COD and Angle back.



Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 02:54 PM (0q2P7)

394
>>>I like the guy, I love that he told TFG to go fuck himself to his face. We need that. Dr. Carson may be a leading light for a new direction. But he's not electable.

Fair enough.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 27, 2013 02:54 PM (052zE)

395 Ace is starting to win me over with his arguments.

Why don't we agree to some halfway incredibly stupid fucking idea that's almost consitutional? Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2013 02:54 PM (ZDsRL)

396 >>>The Tea Party folks have matured and learned along the way. It takes time to get solid feet, especially on such slimy ground.


and yet it still freaks out when Karl Rove says "We should promote electable candidates"

Isn't that something they should agree with?

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:54 PM (LCRYB)

397 I don't know the background on this GOP proud thing. If they were included in the past, why not this year?

Posted by: L, elle at February 27, 2013 02:12 PM (0PiQ4)


Maybe because they simply became too annoying, as militant homosexuals are wont to do?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 27, 2013 02:55 PM (29+x5)

398 A libertarian friend of mine liked Trump in the last election because Trump would FIGHT.

I wonder if Carson's prayer breakfast challenge to Obama shows that he would fight.

Posted by: As long as Mindy's little Barry-Boo is happy, that's what matters at February 27, 2013 02:55 PM (U/+f9)

399 >>>he US military survived the 70's, Carter and the RIFT.

>>>I'm hoping the country survives Obama.

fucking RINO queer

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:55 PM (LCRYB)

400 Not to denigrate a good man, with an IQ that I would suspect is in the 200 range, but I don't think his melanin content would necessarily make him *more* electable. Blacks votes for a party, period. That party is not Republican.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 27, 2013 02:55 PM (feFL6)

401 387
Jindal

Carson

Martinez

Rubio

Nikki Haley



Yup. I'd be thrilled to support any of those guys, Rubio included.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 02:53 PM (B/VB5)


Like I've been saying, the bench is super deep compared to previous years.

Add in Perry and Rand(haters gon' hate), and you basically have a buffet to choose from.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 02:55 PM (xAtAj)

402
but what's the sex angle?

SE's cupps vs. Kate's uptons.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 02:55 PM (p/cQy)

403 He's got brass balls, I'll tell you that. Maybe he can be the Pope of the GOP or something.Or run for senate in MD. Please? I'd campaign for him.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM

Agree. To have reached the top of his profession as not only a Neurosurgeon but a pediatric one as well is incredibly difficult. To perform the work he does takes nerves of steel, innovation, and brilliance.
I hope that he will also possess the ability to outwit the dimwit opposition and as Ace said - you have to have a measure of deviousness.

Posted by: Cheri at February 27, 2013 02:55 PM (G+Wff)

404 But I would like to see, say, Texas explore its viability as a separate nation.
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:46 PM (LCRYB)

I can tell you I see a lot more "Seceede" stickers around these days. My dad, not a hyperpartisan but republican, mentioned it. Ace isn't someone I'd expect that from going back to some of the Obamacare threads. When the rank and file begin to think this, and I think thats happening to some degree, it becomes much more palpatable.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 02:55 PM (t06LC)

405 China has way too much to lose by attacking Taiwan/Japan.Global trade is far too important to their growing economy. War would destroy their economy.

----

History tells me that sometimes countries don't always do what we perceive to be in their best economic interest. If you are in power and your economy starts to flunder (as China's may), you look for other ways to consolidate your power. War is very good for that.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 02:56 PM (gmeXX)

406 dr. carson is a Governor of the Hippocampus


I prefer Governor of the Ganglia.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 27, 2013 02:56 PM (KjlbF)

407 Blacks votes for a party, period. That party is not Republican.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 27, 2013 02:55 PM (feFL6)

Good point!!!

Posted by: White Guilt Voter at February 27, 2013 02:56 PM (xAtAj)

408 I just want one COD supporter to admit that she was our side's Alvin Greene without adding "but..." and then negating the admission with more justification.

Maybe that will help some of us let go of that clusterf*ck

Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 02:56 PM (CBCxo)

409 and yet it still freaks out when Karl Rove says "We should promote electable candidates"

Isn't that something they should agree with?

Posted by: ace a


Put down the strawmen. They are pissed at Rove for creating a PAC to shut down the TEA party candidates.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2013 02:56 PM (Ipj15)

410 So, what morons are going to CPAC and how often will you get laid?


I always found these events (college republicans, state party meeting, national conventions, etc) when I was younger, a free for all of epic proportions.

Memories, damn! Those twins at the Detroit convention. The red head at the College,,

Oh, never mind, going to my bunk.



Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 02:57 PM (wR+pz)

411 also part of the reason the more conservative (really just more "firebrand") candidates who blow it get focused on is cuz an establishment loss, while it's still a loss, typically doesn't result in extra ammo for the media to paint the whole GOP as

Posted by: JDP at February 27, 2013 02:57 PM (60GaT)

412 “I told them that I don’t have an advance copy because I don’t write out my speeches and I don’t use teleprompters …” Carson said in an interview with The Hill this week.
Posted by: Witch of the West at February 27, 2013 02:43 PM (e8kgV)

Heh. Love the guy.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 27, 2013 02:57 PM (6zgse)

413 378 China has way too much to lose by attacking Taiwan/Japan.

Global trade is far too important to their growing economy. War would destroy their economy.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 02:52 PM (xAtAj)

_____________

Their economy is hinged to ours.

I think they have been trying to drive the demand for goods up amongst their own citizenry to offset the lack of demand for goods coming from the US--but it might not be working.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 02:57 PM (r2PLg)

414 History tells me that sometimes countries don't
always do what we perceive to be in their best economic interest. If you
are in power and your economy starts to flunder (as China's may), you
look for other ways to consolidate your power. War is very good for
that.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 02:56 PM (gmeXX)

Ok... what history? Especially recently, considering the rise of globalization?China is all about GDP. The only reason I could see war is if their GDP crashes *on their own*. Which isn't impossible I suppose, but otherwise war is extremely unlikely.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 02:57 PM (xAtAj)

415 Conservatives do not trust Karl Rove, anything he supports will be met with contempt. If you like his ideas get a new spokesman for them.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 02:57 PM (4cRnj)

416 sven10077

"seriously advocating".
What prominent Democrats were "seriously advocating" succession? And, if so, did anyone of consequence take them seriously?

Posted by: nc at February 27, 2013 02:58 PM (fkBVg)

417 381 Amish Dude,

Ah forgive me....

you are of course correct...the guy her hubby works for just SOUNDED like a donk the day after the election.

My mistake....

no seriously I thought it was the New jersey fella menendez given his Barrio angst.

My bad

So DD just uses her ample charms to aid Chris Tingle and play straight Log Cabin Republican to tarde...

my bad

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 02:58 PM (LRFds)

418 Appears I forgot Nikki Haley....throw her on the list too. Anyone else? Kasich is out...

Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 02:58 PM (CBCxo)

419 and yet it still freaks out when Karl Rove says "We should promote electable candidates"



Isn't that something they should agree with?


Part of it is considering the source. When Karl Rove says "We should promote electable candidates," what the Tea Parties hear (gee, I wonder why this could be) is "F*ck y'all."

When, say, a Bobby Jindal or Nikki Haley says it? It would probably be different.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 02:58 PM (xN73L)

420 >>>Blacks votes for a party, period. That party is not Republican.

What a lot of politically unsophisticated people don't realize is that, in terms of politics (to say nothing of good policy) presenting an attractive face on racial matters is not about getting the black vote -- it's about getting the white vote, whites who themselves do not want to think of themselves as racially biased or associate themselves with those they consider racist.

Likewise, softening up the anti-gay vibe is not about capturing gay votes but capturing millions of straight votes, straights who do not like to see gays treated poorly just because of their inborn orientation.

Again, and that's just the politics of it, nevermind what's good policy. (Policy considerations also point towards the position of less animus as optimal.)

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:59 PM (LCRYB)

421 Who the fuck is DD? I don't feel up to reading 400 posts.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 02:59 PM (wR+pz)

422 A lot of the Tea Party people were people who were against Obamacare and the large increases to the deficit they saw coming, they were not experienced political operatives.
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 02:47 PM (4cRnj)


-----------------------------------------------


You're right. But we're learning. The TP is still considered a young movement. And we also must consider that it's a grassroots movement with no discernable hierarchy.

I think it's done quite well, considering. And it will certainly do better.

As I said. We're learning.

Posted by: Soona at February 27, 2013 02:59 PM (+k5d1)

423 416 NC,

I dunno Kos' fever swamp seems "serious"....Bill Plugg at Donk underground...

you do not get it...I take the left at their word they have big plans for us, and they were quite happy to quit jesusland as I recall...

this whole Presidency and EPA game is a scam to hold a quadrillion in LNG and shale hostage...

the divorce can be peaceful or they can make it bloody but I want off the insane train

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 03:00 PM (LRFds)

424 What prominent Democrats were "seriously advocating" succession?

Posted by: nc at February 27, 2013 02:58 PM (fkBVg)

The Clinton Dynasty!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 03:00 PM (xAtAj)

425 History tells me that sometimes countries don't always do what we perceive to be in their best economic interest. If you are in power and your economy starts to flunder (as China's may), you look for other ways to consolidate your power. War is very good for that.
Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 02:56 PM (gmeXX)

_______________

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

If China's economy falters--looking for an external scapegoat--Japan and/or Taiwan is one way to keep the natives united and/or distracted.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 03:00 PM (r2PLg)

426 and yet it still freaks out when Karl Rove says "We should promote electable candidates"

Isn't that something they should agree with?
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:54 PM (LCRYB)



You and I both know this is not the basis of the argument and backlash.

Posted by: beach party at February 27, 2013 03:00 PM (XYSwB)

427
The Senator of the Synapse.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 03:00 PM (p/cQy)

428 421 Billy Bob,

DD Cupp....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 03:00 PM (LRFds)

429 Pissed at Rove for being incompetent.

Look at the candidates he pushed in 2012. How many winners? Waste of a bunch of fucking money.

Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 03:00 PM (pZDxu)

430 Carson can't win for Senate in MD

Mostly because it's Maryland

MD's a weird state- it has some of the richest and poorest neighborhoods in the country- solid Dem

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 03:01 PM (8sCoq)

431 >>>Maker's Mark is just Jim Beam that's been pissed in.

That's like comparing Nati Ice to Sammy. You can say it all you want, no one takes you seriously. If you like Jimmy fine, you're easy to please. But don't pretend it's going to suit everybody.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 03:01 PM (0q2P7)

432 I can't believe we are still arguing over COD - she was 2 cycles ago.

Electability matters, so does ideology. 100% on one hand, but 0% on the other (no matter which is 100% and which is 0%) won't cut it. All the tea party seems to be doing to me is trying to swing the pendulum closer to the ideology side. Now with COD, arguably the tea party went too far. But a message did need to be sent - THEN. Less so NOW.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 03:01 PM (gmeXX)

433 >>>
I always found these events (college republicans, state party meeting, national conventions, etc) when I was younger, a free for all of epic proportions.

this is why I don't get the GOProud thing.

Without wanting to spoil anyone's good time... CPAC is, like, for getting laid. Not all of it. But come, it's a convention, people are free from their significant others, they're around like-minded people, drinks are flowing...

I don't get the idea that "We can't have GOProud here" when there are married people fucking persons not their spouses in hotel rooms.


Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 03:01 PM (LCRYB)

434 If China's economy falters--looking for an external
scapegoat--Japan and/or Taiwan is one way to keep the natives united
and/or distracted.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 03:00 PM (r2PLg)

Agreed. For now it's just saber rattling. Even a slowing of growth won't result in war. However, if their economy plunges, reach for your sidearms.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 27, 2013 03:01 PM (xAtAj)

435 Memories, damn! Those twins at the Detroit convention. The red head at the College,

You know the drill ...

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 27, 2013 03:02 PM (w0StH)

436 Oh, I see DD is SE. Slutty Elizabeth Cupp

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 03:02 PM (wR+pz)

437 What a lot of politically unsophisticated people don't realize is that, in terms of politics (to say nothing of good policy) presenting an attractive face on racial matters is not about getting the black vote -- it's about getting the white vote, whites who themselves do not want to think of themselves as racially biased or associate themselves with those they consider racist.

It bugs me that freeing the slaves and passing the Civil Rights Act was insufficient to at least avoid the racist label.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 03:02 PM (QupBk)

438 I'd have a lot more respect for Rove if he was effective, at anything.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 03:02 PM (4cRnj)

439 re Bourbon

Northerner seeks advice on what to try next. I like JD, but I'm starting to buy it out of habit. Any suggestions?

Posted by: Rule #2 at February 27, 2013 03:02 PM (CypDC)

440 China wouldn't go to war with the US sans Texas - at least initailly.

Theres an old proverb I don't remember where it came from but goes: "If you must borrow money, either owe very little or very much. For if you owe little, you are not worth collecting on, and if you owe much, your fates are intertwined"

Hell, maybe I made that up. Either way, the dragon may have us by the throat, but we have it by the balls.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 03:02 PM (t06LC)

441 Jindal
Carson
Martinez
Rubio
Nikki Haley

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 27, 2013 02:50 PM (UypUQ)

Don't worry -- the GOP will make sure that only Christie, Jeb Bush, Graham, or Coburn will be left standing when the smoke clears.

Posted by: As long as Mindy's little Barry-Boo is happy, that's what matters at February 27, 2013 03:03 PM (U/+f9)

442 @435

Before cellphones and way before cellphone cameras, which had not been invented.


Would you accept a sketch?

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 03:03 PM (wR+pz)

443 I'm putting on pants and going outside- catch y'all later

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 27, 2013 03:03 PM (8sCoq)

444 440 Jolly Roger,

China might be our ally if it came to it if we promised to keep them in shale...

if Red Diaper Obama gets to work for the Muslims as PotUS why not work with our biggest non continental trading partner?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 03:04 PM (LRFds)

445 I'd have a lot more respect for Rove if he was effective, at anything.
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 03:02 PM (4cRnj)

He helped get Rubio elected when he was down 40 points.

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 03:04 PM (m2CN7)

446 #48, That would be Mr. HERMAN Cain. ~Why on this Earth would we ever be interested AGAIN in electing anyone based on any ethnicity involved?? WHY? Can't we all just say NEVER, EVER AGAIN? Or based on just one effective speech (That's how everyone once found out who Zero was! He spoke at the D convention, and the next day everyone including me was so impressed.) ThoughtHE had something to back himself up, but HE didn't. Dr. Carson DOES! It could absolutely be assumed BC would be able to handle anything he tackled from knowinghis prior accomplishments. If the press had looked into whatever could have been known about B.O.'s prior accomplishments it would never have been assumed HE could handle anything he tackled, since he'd never tackled anything of any worth other than discrediting his political opponants a few times. Oh, well.

Posted by: Never again! at February 27, 2013 03:04 PM (xYEjI)

447 I don't get the idea that "We can't have GOProud here" when there are married people fucking persons not their spouses in hotel rooms.


Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 03:01 PM (LCRYB)


Don't pretend that this is what its about. I get there are people who don't want them there who are gay. Okay, I get that. But that isn't the reason why they aren't invited to CPAC. That's because they burned bridges.

I suppose that if GOPProud came over and pissed in your your cheerios, and you got mad about it, that would make you homophobic?

Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 03:04 PM (pZDxu)

448 408 "I just want one COD supporter to admit that she was our side's Alvin Greene without adding "but..." and then negating the admission with more justification. Maybe that will help some of us let go of that clusterf*ck"

There are those who believe that having Mike Castle with an (R) after his name was worth it just so he would have been one more vote for a republican senate leader. That's a valid argument and it would have been a help as long as Castle continued to caucus with the republicans.

However, on the other side are those who believe that damage one extremely liberal senator would have done by providing "bipartisan" cover to incredibly stupid fucking bills or by becoming the "go-to" senator for MSNBC when a conservative idea needed badmouthing would negate any advantage.

I don't think the people who opposed COD on a strategic level during the primaries were wrong or not conservative. It was after she won the primary when the detractors turned into total assholes by badmouthing her.

Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2013 03:04 PM (ZDsRL)

449 399 >>>he US military survived the 70's, Carter and the RIFT.

>>>I'm hoping the country survives Obama.

fucking RINO queer
Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:55 PM (LCRYB)

_______________

lmao--I resemble most of those remarks--maybe.

I have to go google "queer".

Never really sure what that means/.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2013 03:04 PM (r2PLg)

450 Ok... what history? Especially recently, considering the rise of globalization?China is all about GDP. The only reason I could see war is if their GDP crashes *on their own*. Which isn't impossible I suppose, but otherwise war is extremely unlikely.

----

All history. War may be unlikely, but they can start pretty fast often over minor things. Just because we are in the modern era doesn't mean that wars will end. WW1 was to be the war that ends all wars. I think war with China is pretty unlikely, but if it happens (either with us or between them and someone else), our children or grandchildren will be learning that the warning signs were easy to see.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 03:05 PM (gmeXX)

451 Ace's real problem with the Tea Party is their lack of topless protests.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 03:05 PM (4cRnj)

452
>>>Isn't that something they should agree with?

WHEN WE WIN.

Losing with moderates hurts us.

If I'm going to lose I'd much rather do it with someone close to a true believer so the next time I put a moderate out there it looks centrist by comparison. e.g. moving the Overton Window to the right. Rove has given us two losers in a row, and likes Jeb for next time. Jeb is a loser. If that's his answer I would rather run crazy conservative.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 03:05 PM (0q2P7)

453 >>> Ace's real problem with the Tea Party is their lack of topless protests.

not sayin ya gotta marry 'em...

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 03:05 PM (LCRYB)

454 I don't get the idea that "We can't have GOProud here" when there are married people fucking persons not their spouses in hotel rooms.

You keep ignoring the reason they're not there: they've engaged in politically vindictive outings of people working for Republican campaigns. GayPatriot, who I would hope has Absolute Moral Authority on gay matters, is not a big fan of theirs.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 03:06 PM (B/VB5)

455 @433


So true. When I went we had plenty of gheys, and didn't give a shit. I think don't axe don't tell worked fine.

Especially when that drunk guy from AL found a dick up his ass one night.


Oh, wait, forget that.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 03:06 PM (wR+pz)

456 >>>Losing with moderates hurts us.

but losing with Tea Partiers doesn't, right?

That's virtually a win, right?

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 03:06 PM (LCRYB)

457 @444
If Texas split they'd find a lot of allies that would want to humble the US.

Russia, China, Iran!, France,etc. would see it as a way to weaken us interests.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 27, 2013 03:06 PM (t06LC)

458 The overwhelming racism of the RethugliKKKans in propping up a black man of no background to go up against our wise multiracial President is so horrifying I would not have believed it possible.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at February 27, 2013 03:06 PM (jCQ+I)

459 He helped get Rubio elected when he was down 40 points.

Posted by: polynikes


What? You mean after his candidate, Crist, lost?

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 03:06 PM (4cRnj)

460
I think Knob Creek is a good whiskey.

Try Wild Turkey if you are more of a crossbow than long bow fan.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 03:07 PM (p/cQy)

461 He helped get Rubio elected when he was down 40 points. Posted by: polynikesWhat? You mean after his candidate, Crist, lost?
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 03:06 PM (4cRnj)

No before.

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 03:08 PM (m2CN7)

462 >>>We can't have GOProud here

I don't mind having GOProud at CPAC. So long as they get that opposition to gay marriage does not make someone a homophobe. The instant you want to get on your opposition to gay marriage makes you a bigot horse, I'm done with you.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 03:09 PM (0q2P7)

463 Heh.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 27, 2013 03:10 PM (QupBk)

464 What a lot of politically unsophisticated people

That may or may not be true in my case. I only want to temper some of the mania followed by depression in this blog with a little reality. Point/counterpoint discussion is good in the long run.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 27, 2013 03:11 PM (feFL6)

465 No before.

Posted by: polynikes


So you're saying Rove helped Rubio by supporting Crist? Oh, I see what you're saying, people hated Rove so much that by supporting Crist he drove support to Rubio, like reverse psychology or something.

Wow, that Rove is a genius.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 03:12 PM (4cRnj)

466 I'm with ace on the gay issue but blaster is spot on here with the explanation. CPAC has sided with GOPAC in the past when the SoCons got their panties bunched causing the SoCons to stomp off. The difference this year is GOPAC pissed people off during the last election, so CPAC responded by siding against them

This is just regular political dick measuring in terms of CPACs response.

Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 03:13 PM (CBCxo)

467 Try Wild Turkey if you are more of a crossbow than long bow fan.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 27, 2013 03:07 PM (p/cQy)

I've always thought the Turkey was too harsh. The real Turkey, 101.
I like Makers, it's a little smoother and Evan William Black is pretty good for the price.
That single barrel shit with the little horse on the cork is damn good too.

What is that shit called?


Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 03:13 PM (wR+pz)

468 465 Dr Spank,

Yup...I should be agreeing with Rove who backed a guy who sucked Obama off before Hurricane Sandy to pick 'winning republicans'....

yessir "smart like an ox'

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 03:14 PM (LRFds)

469 >>>You keep ignoring the reason they're not there: they've engaged in politically vindictive outings of people working for Republican campaigns.

someone reminded me of that the other day, but he only named a single case. Have there been others?

I don't think there have been. So the plural is inaccurate.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 03:14 PM (LCRYB)

470 Not being sarcastic, but would someone explain to me how we know who is "electable" before the votes are counted?

How in the world did anyone think Joe Biden was electable, he's known as the "talking donkey?"

The idiot who thought Guam would tip over?

Barack Obama was an inexperienced, "present" goof, who had a sketchy background and openly hung with terrorists. ELECTABLE!! TWICE!!

Posted by: mare at February 27, 2013 03:14 PM (A98Xu)

471 but losing with Tea Partiers doesn't, right?

That's virtually a win, right?

Posted by: ace


If you lose while standing on principle, you've done nothing to harm our side. If you lose while only offering a lesser version of progressivism, you've done nothing to promote our ideology and you've shown deference to theirs.

"Me too" GOPism muddies the brand in the least, and kills the roots in the worst worst.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2013 03:14 PM (Ipj15)

472 @467

Blantons! Google be your friend.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 27, 2013 03:14 PM (wR+pz)

473 >>>If you lose while standing on principle, you've done nothing to harm our side.

there you go.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 03:15 PM (LCRYB)

474 Another thing. Rove didnt support Crist in that fight. His mainstream support came from Jon Cornyn and the NRSC.

Rove has backed some shitbirds but oompa loompa wasnt one

Posted by: BSR at February 27, 2013 03:16 PM (CBCxo)

475 I don't think the people who opposed COD on a
strategic level during the primaries were wrong or not conservative. It
was after she won the primary when the detractors turned into total
assholes by badmouthing her.

Posted by: jwest

This again.

Mikey Castle managed to fuck up a primary in a state he ran for eight Goddamm years. Not only wasn't he very conservative, but he also wasn't very electable. And Delaware had one of the last primaries. And the polling indicated that he would trounce the Democrat. Then he completely pussed out, gave tacit support to the Democrat and took a $ million warchest home.

Fun fact: Both the Tea Party AND the oh so smart establishment republicans put up shitty candidates and they battled for the basement.

FTR: I voted against her in the primaries (I did what uncle Karl commanded) and for her in the general.

Posted by: Blue Hen at February 27, 2013 03:17 PM (PrDJQ)

476 Can't we all just agree losing sucks and that we'll try to do better next time? Right after secession.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 03:17 PM (4cRnj)

477 You've constructed a theory of politics in which losing is okay, so long as it's a loss "on principle."

This is why I don't trust your judgement. I do not trust anyone who can so easily make excuses for failure to make decisions about things that must be won.

Such a person will never learn, as they've convinced themselves that winning isn't really the goal at all.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 03:17 PM (LCRYB)

478 We seem to operate at the mercy of the media. A very smart, accomplished, squeaky clean family man was not electable.

But we were told he was electable by our betters. Often and with scathing attitudes.

Posted by: mare at February 27, 2013 03:17 PM (A98Xu)

479 It's too soon to vet candidates.

O/T is Bob Woodward the only journalist now? He's written and been on one of the am shows today saying bad things about TFG! I wonder what happened to Woodward?

Posted by: CarolT at February 27, 2013 03:17 PM (z4WKX)

480 but losing with Tea Partiers doesn't, right?

That's virtually a win, right?

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 03:06 PM (LCRYB)


You think there is no difference between losing with principle and losing without? I know, Lombardi would say no difference. But what about you?

Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 03:17 PM (pZDxu)

481 "However, on the other side are those who believe that damage one
extremely liberal senator would have done by providing "bipartisan"
cover to incredibly stupid fucking bills or by becoming the "go-to"
senator for MSNBC when a conservative idea needed badmouthing would
negate any advantage.
"

For an "extreme" example of the type, I will mention Jim Jeffords. Less evil examples are the GOP members of the "Gang of Sixteen" who caucused in back rooms with Dem senators to give us such garbage as "Campaign Finance Reform".

Posted by: mrp at February 27, 2013 03:18 PM (HjPtV)

482 Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 03:12 PM (4cRnj)

Someone has already let you know that you are incorrect but just for the record here is Rubio's own words. Again , Rove never supported Crist.


Even when I was 30 points down in the polls he wrote me a check, he told people he was supporting me, he helped me in my race and I was thirty or forty points down. That’s important for fairness to say that.
Ultimately, when I was the nominee American Crossroads came in to Florida and spent a lot of money on my candidacy and we’re grateful for that. But by the same token, I would not have been elected without Tea Party support. I would not have had a chance to even win the primary without all these folks out there who rallied to the cause of defending our Constitution, limiting government and supporting our traditional values and I’m forever grateful for that as well. They both have a place in American politics

Posted by: polynikes at February 27, 2013 03:19 PM (m2CN7)

483 He'll never survive the media hit-job.

And he's not articulate. Hello Herman Cain.

Next.

Posted by: Strife at February 27, 2013 03:19 PM (z3Lez)

484 Such a person will never learn, as they've convinced themselves that winning isn't really the goal at all.

Posted by: ace


So it's just Coke versus Pepsi then?

Ok, got it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2013 03:20 PM (Ipj15)

485 474
Another thing. Rove didnt support Crist in that fight. His mainstream support came from Jon Cornyn and the NRSC.



Rove has backed some shitbirds but oompa loompa wasnt one

Posted by: BSR


You're delusional

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2013 03:21 PM (4cRnj)

486 >>>This is why I don't trust your judgement. I do not trust anyone who can
so easily make excuses for failure to make decisions about things that
must be won.

The bottom line is if the GOP had won the big game in either '08 or '12 this wouldn't be a talking point between us right now. The question the GOP has placed before us is not between winning and losing, but who we want to lose with.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 03:21 PM (0q2P7)

487 I still like Cain's 9-9-9 plan.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 03:21 PM (gmeXX)

488 I don't think there have been. So the plural is inaccurate.

Regardless, it's a shitty leftist Shame On You tactic taken directly from John Aravosis that has no place in politics. I don't get exactly why you're in such a hurry to try and paint your own commenters as intolerant rubes given we literally pay your way.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 27, 2013 03:22 PM (B/VB5)

489 477 Ace,

I've back with a not insignificant sum of money people I'd barely want to win with...losing with those same people got us giggles twice...

do you ever stop to ponder how far left we have to go to get peel off donks?

I'm thinking they're a weaponized tribe not a group of rational actors bud and if that is the case tacking left bleeds more than we gain....

I held my nose for Rove and Bush and "moonbat at 85% of the price" but I'm pretty sure Obama needed bush to kill the GOP

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 03:23 PM (LRFds)

490 Don't feel so bad, Ace. President McCain hates the TEA party as much as you do.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2013 03:24 PM (Ipj15)

491 >>>Such a person will never learn, as they've convinced themselves that winning isn't really the goal at all.

Posted by: ace

I'd sure love to win. That's why I supported a man who signed an assault weapons ban into law. Who was once pro-choice. But we didn't win. It seems that actually getting into power is not a priority for the GOP. And if we are going to lose, it would be better to lose with more conservative candidates.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moonbats Gasoline and Matches at February 27, 2013 03:24 PM (0q2P7)

492 but losing with Tea Partiers doesn't, right?


Did you just not read the rest of the comment, ace?

Option 1: We win with a True Believer- that's a definite win.
Option 2: We win with a Moderate- well, that's probably a win, most of the time.
Option 3: We lose with a True Believer- that's not good, but a) the ideology itself is not harmed and b) when we run someone more moderate (though still closer to a True Believer) they look much more 'centrist.'
Option 4: We lose with a Moderate- that's definitely bad.

So the good that comes from a True Believer winning is better than when a Moderate wins, and the bad when a True Believer loses is actually less bad than when a Moderate loses.

Now, again, no one is disputing that we need to pick electable candidates. Case in point- a guy ran against Joe Barton here in my congressional district last cycle. I can't even remember his name. He was the "tea party" candidate (though I don't think he had a ton of support there) and was running at Joe Barton from the right (not a lot of room there, but some).

Problem? Guy had 0 charisma. So he got very few votes. The Tea Parties in the area had decided they could live with Joe Barton, even if he's not quite as conservative as many (most?) of his constituents (at least those who voted R in the general).

Again, you're taking the losses the Tea Parties had and putting them up as thought that's all the Tea Parties have done. And then you're ignoring the losses of the Rove wing.

But if David Dewhurst runs for Lt. Gov again, and someone challenges him from the right (assuming they're not a complete loon) most of the Tea Parties in Texas will support the challenger. David Dewhurst is not as Conservative as we can reasonably get in Texas.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 27, 2013 03:25 PM (xN73L)

493 I approve this message guys!

Posted by: Karl (Turd Blossom) Rove at February 27, 2013 03:25 PM (z3Lez)

494 You've constructed a theory of politics in which losing is okay, so long as it's a loss "on principle."

And you seem to think that principles don't matter, and if we simply avoid any of that icky ideology stuff, we can win. Which hasn't borne out.

Posted by: blaster at February 27, 2013 03:27 PM (pZDxu)

495 Who needs the Tea Party?

We can win without them!

Let's divide the base and become more like Demtards!

I swear it'll really work this time guys!

Posted by: Karl (Turd Blossom) Rove at February 27, 2013 03:27 PM (z3Lez)

496 The goal is to win, otherwise elections have consequences, as we're finding out now!

Posted by: CarolT at February 27, 2013 03:28 PM (z4WKX)

497 433 >>>
I always found these events (college republicans, state party meeting, national conventions, etc) when I was younger, a free for all of epic proportions.

this is why I don't get the GOProud thing.

Without wanting to spoil anyone's good time... CPAC is, like, for getting laid. Not all of it. But come, it's a convention, people are free from their significant others, they're around like-minded people, drinks are flowing...

I don't get the idea that "We can't have GOProud here" when there are married people fucking persons not their spouses in hotel rooms.


Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 03:01 PM (LCRYB)


Thank you. For me, CPAC is a convention where Ann Coulter gives a speech. That's it. If it had any major bearing on 2010 and 2012, I missed it. So whether Carson shows up or not makes no difference to me. Personally, he should take his telegenic personality and message of small government and whatever and speak in front of black audiences. GOP needs minority outreach? He's the guy. Same with GOProud. Stay away from small-tent CPAC and spread the message to a natural constituency. That would help more than showing up at a conference.

Posted by: Joejm65 at February 27, 2013 03:28 PM (f7n8D)

498 What are we trying to advance here? The GOP or conservatism? While the two overlap, they aren't mutual? Would both be better off if Castle were in the Senate? I supppose, though no way to really know. If Castle had defeated COD, would we have Cruz? I suppose, though no way to really know. Does the majority of the tea party place ideology above and beyond everything else? I don't think so, though they may place it higher in the pecking order now than in years past.

There are just too many unknowns and too many variables. Winning elections matter, we all know that. But to think that is all that matters is a mistake. The Whig party got dusted in 1856 and collapsed, but a stronger party emerged from that.

Let's all agree that both electability and ideology matter. But it seems like some of us are going to lean more to ideology at this time, because the electability route didn't seem to make much of a difference during the 2000's and it hasn't worked in the past 2 presidential elections.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 03:30 PM (gmeXX)

499 So it's just Coke versus Pepsi then?Ok, got it.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2013 03:20 PM (Ipj15)

Don't be too hard on Ace, he'll wake up eventually. Right now, he's stuck in this loop that's created by the MSM and the polling they do with the questions they word.

If you give me near total control of the media and how polls are constructed, democrats would never win another election - ever. It's a credit to the strength of our ideals and positions that we can win as much as we do without the media and polls.

But back to Ace, he believes in that elusive informed moderate who is pissed off that we tolerate religious people and some of their views. He's not totally wrong. There is a small group of politically aware people out there who think the GOP is too extreme, but they are a tiny percentage.

The real prize is the totally unaware idiots who go strictly on perception. We could win them with the right campaign, but because we're stuck with asshole counsultants from years past, it hasn't happened. The 2010 midterms were a good indication of what can happen when you leave the assholes behind and just run on your ideas.

Ace will figure it out eventually.

Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2013 03:31 PM (ZDsRL)

500 498 SH,

I've agreed for more than half my life.

Can you explain to me what *I* gain for my understanding of the founding and my beliefs and preferences if Faat Ass from NJ is our "winner?"

I ain't seeing it anymore...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2013 03:32 PM (LRFds)

501 Yeah, We should listen to Rove. He has conservative interests at heart. He gives us electable candidates like McCain and Newt and Romney. I'm all ears.

Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 03:35 PM (OlN4e)

502 Electability is essential but,

People fight on an entirely different level when their belief system is engaged. Remove that and you have robots going through the motions without their hearts in it. If conservatives are not convinced that a candidate will work towards the spirit of their beliefs, you won't see that type of committment, that fire and passion that wins national elections.

One element of Obama success has been his ability to engage the hearts and minds of his followers.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 03:35 PM (g5wi5)

503 The thing is with Castle you still would have had a Democrat in the Senate. Only with an R next to his name. Then again, he'd fit right in.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at February 27, 2013 03:37 PM (YmPwQ)

504 Sven - We may gain nothing. Frankly, I think his chances are done. I don't care how popular he is in NJ. His opportunity was in 2012. Timing is everything. He's not my choice, that's for sure.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 03:38 PM (gmeXX)

505 What the Teaparty needs to do is squeeze ALL the fucking moderates and rinos out of the Republican party. Just like the leftards squeezed all the boll weavels out of their party. The message and propaganda is the name of the game. Facts mean squat. I hold up da Zero as exhibit 'A'.

Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2013 03:40 PM (OlN4e)

506 Hey, it's cpac's party. If they don't want others coming in to promote platforms that they are against, i.e., ssm and abortion, that's there right. I can't believe people are even arguing on behalf of goproud.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 03:41 PM (XjfiS)

507 there = their

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 27, 2013 03:41 PM (XjfiS)

508 One element of Obama success has been his ability to engage the hearts and minds of his followers.

---

Woah, your saying that running on cultural issues matter more than running on "fiscal" reasoning issues. Who knew?

The GOP should run on the following: guns, voter id, low taxes.

That's about it. Talking about growing the economy just doesn't appeal to the masses. That's what Mitt didn't get. Its what McCain didn't get, nor the Bushes. They may be fine people, but they are all part of the aristocratic class in America.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 03:42 PM (gmeXX)

509 CPAC Announces Big Get: Dr. Benjamin Carson
DEMPAC Announces Big Target: Dr. Benjamin Carson.

Can't help but feel sorry for the guy. Probably doesn't know what he's gotten himself into.




Posted by: kansas at February 27, 2013 03:44 PM (mka2b)

510 508Woah, your saying that running on cultural issues matter more than running on "fiscal" reasoning issues. Who knew?

SH, I did not realize how far the electorate had degraded its ability to follow basic fiscal and political issues until this past election. So, time to think outside of the old box. We aren't dealing with a large number people capable of learning information anymore. They follow their emotions.


Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 03:47 PM (g5wi5)

511 >>The Tea Party just won't accept the idea that a candidate may be completely right on ideology and yet unelectable due to biography/personal appeal considerations.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2013 02:20 PM (LCRYB)

~~~~~~~~~~~

Bullshit you fucking liar. Leave the stupid fucking starwmen to the left.

Posted by: gm at February 27, 2013 03:47 PM (/kBoL)

512 "The GOP should run on the following: guns, voter id, low taxes."

I disagree. We've already got all the people who care about guns, voter id and low taxes.

We need torun on education, racism and immigration.

With the right campaign, which the MSM would scream from the rooftops is totally racist, we could win the black and hispanic vote while sticking to conservative principles. It would need to center around how blacks are being fucked by the democrats, how their kids are illiterate and headed for jail or death because ofdemocrats.Show them how democrats stay in power by fucking blacks and hispanics.

It would work. But it takes balls.

Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2013 03:48 PM (ZDsRL)

513 Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 03:42 PM (gmeXX)

For a start we need to find a similar level of marketing gurus and run campaigns based on the same premise. Marketing campaigns manipulate primal impulses for example. I'm still thinking over their tribal strategies- I hate the concept, but it also reflects where we are now. So if we use it- we encourage it, but also ride the wave.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 03:51 PM (g5wi5)

514 jwest - I completely disagree. We can't beat the Dems at that game. Guns and voter id are popular in this country. You'd be surprised at how many people would vote against the Dems if they thuoght they wanted to take away your guns. Manchin is pro-gun you know. The trick is getting those people to know that all dems want to take away your guns. The way to do it is to repeat that phrase over and over.

Also, keep bringing up voter id. Make the Dems vote on it.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 03:51 PM (gmeXX)

515 Ben Carson: The White House wanted a sneak peek at my National Prayer Breakfast speech. “I told them that I don’t have an advance copy because I don’t write out my speeches and I don’t use teleprompters …"



BURN!!!!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 27, 2013 03:53 PM (7ObY1)

516 Now we're talking!

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 27, 2013 03:54 PM (8/DeP)

517
3 He's a good speaker, and an accomplished man but I'm just not sure that you can successfully run a presidential campaign with 0 previous legislative experience.

I think successfully navigating several hundred hospital board meetings counts as legislative experience.

Besides, it doesn't seem to have affected President Present...

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at February 27, 2013 03:55 PM (1hM1d)

518 When I think about enduring LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bill Clinton, arguably George W. Bush, and the Messiah, you think I'm going to break out a sweat about having a world class pediatric neurosurgeon in the Oval office?

Compare and Contrast:

According to the Wikipedia bio Carson's genius in neurosurgery is the combination of his fine motor skills and ability to conceptualize neural networks opaquely in three dimensions. Anyone who gets into this line of work has to be very bright, very confident, and have brass balls. And I'm sure he's had his share of heartbreaking situations where he did not save a child. Which means he understands the human condition at a gut level.

Barry can't walk through a iron gate with an umbrella, and when he hears that people who work for him are threatened by psychotic mobs, he shrugs and goes to bed.


Posted by: Mr. Peabody at February 27, 2013 03:55 PM (uGiHE)

519 "Doctor, doctor, gimme the news,
I got a--a bad case of lovin' you . . ."

Posted by: filbert at February 27, 2013 03:56 PM (NaNKB)

520 "You'd be surprised at how many people would vote against the Dems if they thuoght they wanted to take away your guns."
--You'd almost think the democrats wanted to lose the next election cycle by bringing that fight into the public arena right now.

"unelectable due to biography/personal appeal considerations."
--- charisma, verbal skills, no nasty histories, and especially the ability to monitor what they say before they say it --- the entire package is mandatory for not only winning elections but the ability to lead the government. Idealogy is necessary to enlist passionate followers, but without the package the whole thing self-destructs. It is not an either/ or deal.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 03:59 PM (g5wi5)

521 I would welcome anything that brings back the concept of citizen-elected official. An entrenched political class is bad for our country. Any way to break this idea is great to me (see Ron Johnson). But I recognize the political reality of it all. Government experience matters to most voters (though I think only because they have been conditioned that it matters).

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 03:59 PM (gmeXX)

522 3 He's a good speaker, and an accomplished man but I'm just not sure that you can successfully run a presidential campaign with 0 previous legislative experience.

(Sucks though that may be.)
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 27, 2013 02:01 PM (3Uu2V)
----

Because, you know, Romney did such a bang-up job, right?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 27, 2013 04:00 PM (Y5I9o)

523 It is not an either/ or deal

====

Few have said it is. What we have been saying is one may be more important than the other. Its all a pendulum, and like any pendulum it swings from side to side.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 04:01 PM (gmeXX)

524 He's obviously bright enough and has the time to learn the political ropes. That's not the issue. It's more if he can deal with the long grind of campaigns and the management monster of our government: the hostile media, the activists,the entertainment industry, the online left-wing barrage, the bureaucratic mess/backbiting, congressional wars.. these abilities are not based on his academic abilities - these are management skills.

He's a very interesting possibility with many admirable qualities. But he needs to prove he's up to climbing the glass mountain.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 04:07 PM (g5wi5)

525 SH, " You'd be surprised at how many people would vote against the Dems if they thuoght they wanted to take away your guns"

As incredibly stupid as the voting public is, I doubt that any of them don't know which party is pro-gun.

Give me the keys to this puppy and I'll create commercials that show black teenagers struggling to read a Dick and Jane book. I'll show the cluelessness and shame on the faces of inner-city utes when they can't make change for a dollar.

Then, when I've got everyone's jaw-dropping attention, I'll explain how the democrats made a deal with the teacher's union to trade black kid's education for votes.

By the time I'm done, I'll have guilty white liberals from Vermont going person to person in Detroit apologizing for voting democrat all these years.

When my commercials stop running, it will be difficult for democrat officials to cross the street without hundreds of women, tears flowing from their eyes, trying to beat them for their evil ways.

We've tried the Steve Schmidt method. Time for the Jwest way.

Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2013 04:08 PM (ZDsRL)

526 SH at February 27, 2013 04:01 PM (gmeXX)

Hard to say-- Romney, the electable, did not inspire people, and his campaign had the fire of an aging turtle. I don't believe there is not a candidate who is both electable and has the ability to inspire. But I think everyone knows compromises between groups will be necessary. Wonder what will be placed on the sacrifical table?

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2013 04:15 PM (g5wi5)

527 Joejm65@497,

Carson's been speaking to those groups for years. His speech hasn't changed, only the venue. He has been doing a subset of what you suggest already. The Prayer Breakfast was only the most recent with wide exposure because he said it pretty much straight to Obama's face. The speech didn't matter so much. The target did... and that's why it made news.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 27, 2013 04:15 PM (eHIJJ)

528 Jwest - just because we arekown as the party, that doesn'tmean the Dems are known as the party that will take away your guns. Instead they are known as the party that simply want to do reasonable background checks, reasonable registration.

We need to make them the party that will take away your guns. No more nuance. When they say otherwise, just repeat that they want to take away your guns.

We are also the party known for low taxes, yet in 2008, we let Obama claim to be a tax cutter for 98% of the country.

See the difference, the Dems aren't known as anti-gun, pro-taxes. They are known as pro-sensible gun regulations, pro-taxes for the rich. Whereas they paint the GOP as anti-women. We get into nuance, we should be into more black and white.

Posted by: SH at February 27, 2013 04:16 PM (gmeXX)

529 We need torun on education, racism and immigration. Posted by: jwest

Lots of promise in education obviously. However the other two have problems.

1. Racism
No party or candidate can beat the Dems in identity politics. Not for the reflexive Dem response but because dividing the public in the ethnic/racial categories only gives rise a divisive and lesser America.

A candidate that uses identity politics isn't fulfilling the promise of a free and dynamic country. They are engaging permanent discord, and a government that is empowered to play racial referee, forever punishing the out-group and rewarding the in-group, is tempting fate and civil wars (plural.)

2. Immigration
A lot of what passes for debate on immigration sucks.

The Dems won't admit that they want open borders. They have to claim otherwise but their policies do not revolve around a theoretical limit or metering for immigration. Their policies revolve around ever-increasing levels of immigration.

We haven't really addressed the central issue; is unmitigated immigration a good thing for the republic? Yes, that phrasing is necessarily loaded and it is where the issue breaks in half ultimately.

Suppose we just throw up our hands and say, "Andele, ariba, ariba! Come one, come all." What is the result? Is our Republic the same there after?

Or is there a cost to such a policy? We need to be honest here and not frame this debate as one in which being against open borders is merely the uncool position. Is there a real and quantifiable outcome of a quick and sudden change in the social makeup of a country? Does culture matter at all?

If there would be a huge push for a complete Socialist-Corporatist government, why should we happily help the Dem's achieve this?

If there isn't such a cost, are their examples of other countries undergoing such a change that are evidence of this?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 27, 2013 04:30 PM (Ipj15)

530
Time for a media lynching!

Posted by: burt at February 28, 2013 08:55 AM (/QJXp)






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Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat