Obama Has New Political Tactic for Pressuing GOP: Releasing "Waves" of Illegal Immigrants from Detention Centers

And then he'll start getting serious.

Like furloughing Border Patrol officers.

In other words, his message to the GOP is that he'll cut cops and free prisoners-- all these cuts are coming out of "our" budget, not the liberals' favorite items.

Is there any legal remedy for a president who deliberately subverts the operations of government?

Maybe.

Posted by: Ace at 04:46 PM



Comments

1 Impeach the Jug Eared Traitor, You Guys,

Posted by: Crashpanic at February 26, 2013 04:47 PM (gAAl2)

2 Shocking. And not a Democrat from one of the border states says a thing.

Posted by: ejo at February 26, 2013 04:47 PM (GXvSO)

3 I am sorry but I don't think the American people will care, or even know. He could release illegal felons in the middle of high school pep rallies and escape blame.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at February 26, 2013 04:48 PM (++kZl)

4 Par for the course for JEF.

Posted by: Ronster at February 26, 2013 04:48 PM (dBayF)

5 look i'm sure all the people'd who'd be released are our future engineers

Posted by: JDP at February 26, 2013 04:48 PM (60GaT)

6 He is running the Joker's playbook essentially.


Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 04:48 PM (xAtAj)

7 Ah, I was wondering when we'd get a double post again. Now I can relax.

Posted by: joncelli at February 26, 2013 04:48 PM (RD7QR)

8 I got a message on my answering machine asking me to sign an impeach Obama pledge. It was from teaparty.net

Posted by: Timon at February 26, 2013 04:49 PM (hHlaS)

9 If you like your third world hellhole you'll get to keep your third world hellhole....

something is going to give.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 04:50 PM (LRFds)

10 -
Yes ... Speaker Boehner will get right on that.

Impeach President Obama? Hell ... he wore shorts and played golf with the man.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 26, 2013 04:50 PM (J8DGo)

11 When they are release will they join "friends of louis"?

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 26, 2013 04:50 PM (/b8+5)

12 In my day, well in my grandfathers day, commie bastards like obama were ridden out of town on rail after being tarred and feathered

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 04:51 PM (9Bj8R)

13 A reconceptualization?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 04:51 PM (QupBk)

14 Not the hill to die on, you guys

Posted by: pragmatic republican at February 26, 2013 04:51 PM (hO9ad)

15 Releasing waves of illegal immigrants?

I though they behaved like particles.

ba-dump-bump ...

Putting the "smart" in this Smart Military Blog.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 26, 2013 04:51 PM (J8DGo)

16
High Capacity Assault Tactic.

He's taking a page out of Castro's book...
Castro unleashed waves of immigrants and aimed them at our shores.

Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 04:52 PM (eyJSG)

17 As I said early, if he were a Republican doing these things he would have been impeached years ago.

Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2013 04:52 PM (53z96)

18 I'm sure John Boehner won't fold like a cheap suit upon hearing this, cuz he's got our back.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 26, 2013 04:52 PM (w+Dvf)

19 Humpbacks hardest hit.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 04:52 PM (QupBk)

20 14
Not the hill to die on, you guys


Posted by: pragmatic republican at February 26, 2013 04:51 PM (hO9ad)

Although it could be the hill to be killed on.

Posted by: joncelli at February 26, 2013 04:52 PM (RD7QR)

21 JEF is one nasty bastard. He will do anything to get his way. Who's gonna stop him?

Posted by: Ronster at February 26, 2013 04:52 PM (dBayF)

22 7 Ah, I was wondering when we'd get a double post again. Now I can relax.

Tradition.

Posted by: fluffy on the roof at February 26, 2013 04:52 PM (CIPHs)

23 I remember reading an Outer Banks newspaper about a traffic accident that involved an illegal immigrant with a BAC count three times legal/illegal. Killed a family of tourists. Glad to know he'll be back on the road again.

Posted by: REO Speedwagon at February 26, 2013 04:53 PM (feFL6)

24 Well, when a family is killed by one of these marauding Asshats, we'll know who to blame. Arm up folks. Who would have thought the Obama brown shirts would be the Obama brown skins.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 26, 2013 04:53 PM (l86i3)

25 I'd say something like "This again?", but I don't want to have to push the Hot Air button on my 'puter.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 26, 2013 04:53 PM (KjlbF)

26 Believe it or not, this is the first I’ve heard that the sequester is only cutting the increase, and not reaching into the baseline.

Is this being said often but ignored, or is it just not being said often?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 26, 2013 04:53 PM (QF8uk)

27 Pfft. I read this at AoSHQ hours ago.

Posted by: Andy at February 26, 2013 04:53 PM (C/NnJ)

28 15
Releasing waves of illegal immigrants?



I though they behaved like particles.



ba-dump-bump ...



Putting the "smart" in this Smart Military Blog.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 26, 2013 04:51 PM (J8DGo)

You get a double slit for that one.

Posted by: joncelli at February 26, 2013 04:54 PM (RD7QR)

29 Ironically, this was Bane's tactic in the last Dark Knight movie. He opens the Gotham prison (conveniently inside city limits) and arms them. I don't recall if he registers them to vote as well, or issues EBT cards.

Posted by: Rule #2 at February 26, 2013 04:54 PM (CypDC)

30 There isn't anything thing this guy won't do, and there isn't anything anyone else can do about it. Get used to it.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 26, 2013 04:54 PM (lxDS6)

31 These folks are guilty of minor offenses, like driving without a license.

What difference does it make?

Posted by: Baraka at February 26, 2013 04:54 PM (+iA5G)

32 " I believe whatever doesn't kill you, simply makes you... "
[takes off his mask, revealing the Joker]

"...stranger. "

Posted by: Universe 616 Tina Fey at February 26, 2013 04:54 PM (q177U)

33 Polls are showing even low information citizens are seeing through the Obama bullshit.

Posted by: tony redenzo at February 26, 2013 04:54 PM (0KgIG)

34 What makes you guys think any of this shit will ever be on the news?

Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 04:54 PM (OlN4e)

35 We have a president who is quite literally attacking the American people.

Utilizing the, nice country you got there, be a shame if something was to happen to it, strategy!

Posted by: General Woundwort at February 26, 2013 04:55 PM (RrD4h)

36 There isn't anything thing this guy won't do, and there isn't anything anyone else can do about it. Get used to it.

The sad thing is that there is lots that could be done about it, if we had an opposition party.

But yeah, embrace the suck.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 04:55 PM (QupBk)

37 Severin just said "criminaliens". Is that a word?

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 26, 2013 04:55 PM (/b8+5)

38

I hope cowboy poetry will be spared.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 26, 2013 04:55 PM (/0PJL)

39 .303

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 26, 2013 04:55 PM (Dll6b)

40 Damn, I can't find .303 anywhere. Got some?

Posted by: Rule #2 at February 26, 2013 04:56 PM (CypDC)

41 What a despicable pos. Never in my life did I ever, ever think we'd actually have an American president who so recklessly and purposefully sought to bring harm to its citizens. What he is doing is shameless and unforgivable. This total bastard needs to be impeached. And this is the first time I've ever said that and meant it in the most sincere manner. He is actively seeking to hurt American citizens.

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 26, 2013 04:56 PM (ATdet)

42 33 Polls are showing even low information citizens are seeing through the Obama bullshit.
Posted by: tony redenzo at February 26, 2013 04:54 PM (0KgIG)

Bwahahahhahaha. Hold up let me stop laughing.. Hahahhaha. Hilarious man, simply jaw dropping hilarious. Have you been working on this material long?

Posted by: Mr. Pink at February 26, 2013 04:56 PM (++kZl)

43 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 04:56 PM (xN73L)

44 26 Believe it or not, this is the first I’ve heard that the sequester is only cutting the increase, and not reaching into the baseline.

Is this being said often but ignored, or is it just not being said often?

---------

It's not being said often...and when it is, it is being said in a way that is easily ignored.

Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 04:56 PM (eyJSG)

45 Ironically, this was Bane's tactic in the last Dark Knight movie. He
opens the Gotham prison (conveniently inside city limits) and arms them.
I don't recall if he registers them to vote as well, or issues EBT
cards.


In Bane's defense, he was planning on nuking them all.

Posted by: Methos at February 26, 2013 04:56 PM (hO9ad)

46 The Executive is executing the law.

No, really.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at February 26, 2013 04:56 PM (hLRSq)

47 He must be impeached, or impeachment doesn't mean anything.

After BJ Clinton, it might not mean anything anyway- but at least this way we'd know.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 04:56 PM (xN73L)

48 Here's the deal: Obama could go live on national television, rape and sacrifice a dozen virgins to Satan and the Senate Dems still wouldn't vote to convict on articles of impeachment. It.....will.......not.....happen. Ever. Anyone that talks about impeachment as if it is a solution is unserious.

Posted by: DanInMN at February 26, 2013 04:57 PM (XqeyF)

49 Just to put it into historical perspective, Sadam Hussein, as American troops approached, opened the doors of Iraqi prisons.

I'll let you figure out why that was a helluva a strategery on his part. It's not rocket science.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 26, 2013 04:57 PM (feFL6)

50 30 Skandia Recluse,

I dunno there are lots of things that can be done, but I am terrified of happening.

Frankly Obarka is slated to make gains from CNG and Shale out of all realm of reason, I am slowly coming to the conclusion that enviromentalism was a long con for gaining control of both ends of the energy equation.

Our liberty is dying.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 04:57 PM (LRFds)

51 This is political extortion, plain and simple.



.303


A Brit round? I don't think we need to borrow one from them. We've got lots of our own.

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 04:57 PM (doBIb)

52 only Welsh regiments can get it--'regiments of foot' , as they used to say

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 26, 2013 04:57 PM (Dll6b)

53 Impeachment was intended as a replacement for the traditional means of removing an obnoxious executive.

There are consequences for thwarting that mechanism. I pray for us all that we need not suffer them.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 26, 2013 04:57 PM (GBXon)

54 37 Severin just said "criminaliens". Is that a word?

He has used that term for years.

Posted by: fluffy at February 26, 2013 04:58 PM (CIPHs)

55 Damn, I can't find .303 anywhere. Got some?>>

I got some but since I was graded in kindergarten "Does not share well with others". you'll have to get yours elsewhere.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 26, 2013 04:58 PM (81UWZ)

56 If the Constitution is outdated, then this administration and all its officers have no authority over us.

Posted by: lauraw at February 26, 2013 04:58 PM (YzUDF)

57
Posted by: DanInMN at February 26, 2013 04:57 PM (XqeyF)




Yup.

Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 04:58 PM (OlN4e)

58 51 EC,

.303 is a nice round....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 04:58 PM (LRFds)

59 A Brit round?
Lots of relatively cheap Enfields out there

Posted by: Rule #2 at February 26, 2013 04:59 PM (CypDC)

60 This would make a great post at THE CONVERSATION.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 26, 2013 04:59 PM (w+Dvf)

61 Yeah, like the repukes are going to grow a set and go after Teh JEF. I have better odds of getting stuck by lightning while having sex with Kate Upton.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 26, 2013 04:59 PM (jucos)

62

Oh! *faints*

Posted by: John Boehner

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 26, 2013 04:59 PM (kdS6q)

63 I just want the shooting war to start.

Posted by: TC at February 26, 2013 05:00 PM (ygAxO)

64
Criminal aliens? How can a person be a criminal. You are dehumanizing our brown friends who drink mas cerveza and wipe out a family of anglos.

Posted by: ejo at February 26, 2013 05:00 PM (GXvSO)

65 56 If the Constitution is outdated, then this administration and all its officers have no authority over us.
Posted by: lauraw at February 26, 2013 04:58 PM (YzUDF)

The trillions of dollars that pay law enforcement agencies and beaurocrats to harras you and enforce their authority beg to differ. A better strategy would be to join them, and be the boot on the neck.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at February 26, 2013 05:00 PM (++kZl)

66
Hagel cloture vote passes 71-27.

I nailed it a week ago, bitchez.

Nailed it.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 26, 2013 05:00 PM (1Y+hH)

67 I'm finding .308 relatively available, but .303? Nada.

Correction - I saw some at a Bass Pro for $2.00 per round! Nyet spasibo.

Posted by: Rule #2 at February 26, 2013 05:00 PM (CypDC)

68 So 0 is releasing waves of illegals and furloughing border control agents.

So he using the sequester to do what he wants to do anyway, and deliver maximum pain for it.

Plus if the Repubs squawk, he can use it to drive that wedge with hispanic voters.

JEF is an evil genius.

Posted by: Crashpanic at February 26, 2013 05:00 PM (gAAl2)

69 Did Cornyn or Cruz cave, or did they (try to) hold the line?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:01 PM (xN73L)

70 This just in.....Hagel confirmed by Senate...Well done R's Well. Done.

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 26, 2013 05:01 PM (FIDMq)

71 Actually, da Zero could drag his dead granny's body up on the White House porch and bugger it until dark in front of the entire white house press corp and not only would the Senate Democrats not vote for impeachment, it wouldn't even make the news.

Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 05:01 PM (OlN4e)

72 66 Meremortal,

it's not hard to figure out...

basically you can count on half the GOP caucus to fuck us every time.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:01 PM (LRFds)

73 http://tinyurl.com/ap34mk7

Who need cops? Buy a shotgun.

Posted by: Sheriff Joe at February 26, 2013 05:01 PM (bGlsD)

74 writ of mandamus?

Also, this is impeachable, sure sure.

But we won't, which is fine.

However, the hate-filled, evil GOP of old (the party I grew to love) would have used these acts to stir up popular resentment against the president and his allies. And the GOP of old would have won, and won, and won.

Now?

I have no clue what our dickless gimp of a Speaker will do. But I bet it ryhmes with murrender

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 26, 2013 05:02 PM (QxSug)

75 If the Constitution is outdated, then this administration and all its officers have no authority over us.

Posted by: lauraw at February 26, 2013 04:58 PM (YzUDF)
This can't be repeated enough.

Posted by: Methos at February 26, 2013 05:02 PM (hO9ad)

76 The JEF is the Cockholster's Cockholster.

Posted by: Max Wedge at February 26, 2013 05:03 PM (mfC3f)

77 Obama and his administration are evil.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 26, 2013 05:03 PM (MuHYc)

78 59 A Brit round?Lots of relatively cheap Enfields out there
Posted by: Rule #2 at February 26, 2013 04:59 PM (CypDC)

Yeah, but the ammo is damn expensive. Thats why I perfer the Mosin. How else you gonna outfit 5 guys for $300? (back in the old days)

Even now ammo is $150 ish for 880 rounds. Best deal going.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 05:03 PM (t06LC)

79 Holder needs to arm these new citizens .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at February 26, 2013 05:03 PM (TQOZk)

80 I had to educate Mrs928 today at lunch that the "Across the board cuts" of the sequester were not, in fact, across the board. Even as the talking head on the noon TV news kept saying across the board.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 05:04 PM (QupBk)

81 Oh, and another thing; just by coincidence, Feinstein is pushing to vote to take away your right of armed self defense should any of these recently released illegal aliens be prone to burglary or other mayhem.

The Federal government doesn't have the money to protect society and at the same time insists that we forfeit our right of self defense. Perfect liberal logic.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 26, 2013 05:05 PM (lxDS6)

82 60This would make a great post at THE CONVERSATION.
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 26, 2013 04:59 PM (w+Dvf)The Conversation?...never heard of it.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at February 26, 2013 05:05 PM (mfC3f)

83 I'm trying even to think of a time in history when a king deliberately invited in the kingdom's enemies so to get advantage over his personal enemies.

The only examples I can come up with are emperors like Avitus allying with Goths.

Posted by: zimriel at February 26, 2013 05:05 PM (QTHTd)

84
basically you can count on half the GOP caucus to fuck us every time.
Posted by: sven10077





That is an extreme and unsubstantiated statement completely beyond the boundaries of civil political discourse.

It was actually 2/5ths....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 26, 2013 05:05 PM (kdS6q)

85 75 If the Constitution is outdated, then this administration and all its officers have no authority over us.

Posted by: lauraw at February 26, 2013 04:58 PM (YzUDF)
This can't be repeated enough.
Posted by: Methos at February 26, 2013 05:02 PM (hO9ad)

____________

Don't worry I know these guys.

They're Cafeteria Constitutionalists.

I'm pretty sure they'll keep the parts they like.

Posted by: Traficant--now with more hair mousse at February 26, 2013 05:05 PM (r2PLg)

86 People could give two shits. This isn't the first Obama initiative with a body count to come. Won't be the last either.

Posted by: NCKate at February 26, 2013 05:05 PM (4FeFx)

87 A legal remedy? I dunno. But there's a moral one. And they're trying to nullify it too.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 26, 2013 05:06 PM (GEICT)

88 If you can't communicate directly and effectively with the US public regarding the obscene size of the Fed Gov, then you can't 'win' an impeachment.

This?
This isn't the result of a kinder, gentler compassionate GOP.

It's those uppity, uncouth TEA partiers. Because, stinky.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 26, 2013 05:06 PM (Ipj15)

89 I think we're missing a bigger point here. Note the phrase "Have released," not "will release if the sequester comes to pass." It's already done,three days before any cuts are made "mandatory." Three days before Boehner gets a chance to cave. He doesn't even have a "need" to do this, and he's releasing criminals back into society. TFG is one sick dude, but not near as sick as the folks who continue to give him a pass.

Posted by: Texas99 at February 26, 2013 05:06 PM (vE0fx)

90 Hagel cloture vote passes 71-27.

Fuck. So the coming trainwreck of incompetence is, in fact, bipartisan. Thanks a lot, dickweeds.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 05:06 PM (QupBk)

91 You can take a Chicago Politician out of the Bathhouse, but you can't take Reggie Love out of the Chicago Politician.

Posted by: garrett at February 26, 2013 05:07 PM (MWT9u)

92 Polls are showing even low information citizens are seeing through the Obama bullshit.


Faster please.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 05:07 PM (GFM2b)

93 "Behold, a swarm of locusts shall descend upon your children."

- Chester the Sequester Molester Obama

Posted by: Craig Poe at February 26, 2013 05:07 PM (BVkEs)

94 well, look the donks think they won the budget shut down of 1996.

It's only because of traitor HR Perot that Clinton was reelected.

Furthermore, the shutdown brought about the balanced budget that Clinton fought against but would later brag about, and through dickless brainless surrender that the GOP never was able to claim credit for.

Fuck, bring back Tom Delay, or Newt, or someone with a brain.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 26, 2013 05:07 PM (QxSug)

95 Sorry, did you say something? We're still busy with the Oscars.

Posted by: The MFM at February 26, 2013 05:07 PM (FcR7P)

96 Don't forget about us!

Posted by: 300 Dead Mexicans and 1 Dead Border Patrol Agent at February 26, 2013 05:08 PM (jucos)

97
>>>Is there any legal remedy for a president who deliberately subverts the operations of government?

>>>Maybe.


34 Senators Ace. That's all it takes to eliminate Obama's fear of impeachment. I knew this day would come. When he would flagrantly break the law, and we would do... nothing... for the fear of appearing powerless to stop him.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 26, 2013 05:08 PM (0q2P7)

98
"Is there any legal remedy for a president who deliberately subverts the operations of government?
Maybe."

===============
Yeah, we're going to go ahead and ban you now just to be safe.

Posted by: Hot Air Monitors at February 26, 2013 05:08 PM (/AHDz)

99 84 LDC,

Nah they figured out who "was safe" they could have gone to 80 I bet...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:08 PM (LRFds)

100 Love the Judge, impeaching Obama though, hah, yeah, they won't even vote No on taxes, good luck with that. Our system is one of precedent. Obama is literally transforming the office of President into an elected dictatorship. We need to start discussing the long game. Seriously. All the conservative blogs and other conservative sites, they all need to get together and start having some serious discussions. Start mobilizing. Start doing some serious focus grouping to discuss things.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 05:08 PM (HS3dy)

101 Yeah. da Zero's job approval is at -4. Thats a high point in the last 4 years. Tell me again how low infor voters are seeing through his bullshit.

Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 05:08 PM (OlN4e)

102 Sooo...I'm just trying to figure out when we can start pointing out that Obama cares more about Crack Addicts and Illegal Aliens then he does Cops and Vets.

I mean, this is essentailly what he's saying right. The whole "I will cut essential services, but not touch a dime out of cowboy poetry" is exactly that...right?

So why isn't our wing of the media making it blatently clear, that Obama cares more for free needles, free welfare, more arts and farts, because he doesn't give one shit about the actual basics of government like security and law and order.

This was his shit sandwitch from the begining, and nobody wants to make the guy eat it?

Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at February 26, 2013 05:08 PM (D8pR3)

103

TFG cries the sequester will hurt people like cops.

TFG releases illegals, likely to increase crime and incidents for who? The cops.

King O is one pitiful human being.

Posted by: beach at February 26, 2013 05:08 PM (LpQbZ)

104 Actually, da Zero could drag his dead granny's body up on the White House porch and bugger it until dark in front of the entire white house press corp and not only would the Senate Democrats not vote for impeachment, it wouldn't even make the news.


So you saw that too?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 05:09 PM (GFM2b)

105 @94

Why do we need Delay or Newt when we have Christie? Ammiright? How about you Ann, gonna back me up here?

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 05:09 PM (t06LC)

106 Don't worry! We'll get Hillary in there in four more years!

Posted by: Chris Matthews at February 26, 2013 05:09 PM (/AHDz)

107 Polls are showing even low information citizens are seeing through the Obama bullshit.

Faster please.


Too late. By nearly 4 months.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 26, 2013 05:10 PM (GBXon)

108 Hagel cloture vote passes 71-27.

US troops will be on the wrong side of Armageddon. Not really a surprise given the foreigner's reelection, but disappointing nonetheless.

Posted by: Methos at February 26, 2013 05:10 PM (hO9ad)

109 Al Sharpton should make sure they release baloon lover guy too.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at February 26, 2013 05:10 PM (UU0OF)

110 King O is one pitiful human being.

No.

He is one despicable mound of excrescence posing as a human being. But "pity" never enters into what I feel for him.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:10 PM (xN73L)

111 Well I'm all in favor of releasing illegals from detention centers myself. Just as long as we drive them into Mexico first.

Posted by: PaleRider at February 26, 2013 05:10 PM (dkExz)

112 Will a real Populist Party please stand up. I don't even like populism, being an old Dr Johnson type Tory, but I see nothing else that will arrest this slide into lunacy.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 05:10 PM (QupBk)

113 51 EC,

.303 is a nice round....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 04:58 PM (LRFds)

So's a .300 Win Mag.

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 05:11 PM (doBIb)

114 "Across the board cuts" of the sequester were not, in fact, across the board.

Across the board, over there on the other side.

Posted by: Barky McFuckYou at February 26, 2013 05:11 PM (FcR7P)

115 Regarding DiFi's gun control push, did you hear her justification for it?

"“Our support is very broad. The White House has been very good. They’ve been very clear. I think we’ve got all the police, we have all the mayors
virtually. The Conference of mayors, Mayors Against Guns; we have
medical experts. We have virtually dozens of religious organizations of
every creed supporting us. We have just lists and lists. I’ve put
together a little booklet that contains the basics on the bill, as well
as a list of the endorsers."
http://tinyurl.com/b7fx8wz

Alrighty, then. If all the police are behind it then it MUST be preferable to what is in the Constitution.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2013 05:11 PM (is6Me)

116 Severin just said "criminaliens". Is that a word?


No. But wetback is.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 05:11 PM (GFM2b)

117

The tea party clique, and especially the right-wing blogosphere, deplore every and any deal the House leadership makes. But it is the House leadership to which they owe much.

Tea party owes this victory to ‘establishment’
by Jennifer Rubin - Conservative

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 26, 2013 05:11 PM (kdS6q)

118 113 EC,

so is 15mm

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:12 PM (LRFds)

119 Imagine if the next terrorist attack on U.S. soil is carried out by one of the illegals he releases.

Posted by: Smiles at February 26, 2013 05:12 PM (mC8pT)

120
Based on current observed ammo availability, y'all need to think about trading those .303's and .308's for a .22-250 or .243 Win.

Crazy times.

Posted by: Jaws at February 26, 2013 05:12 PM (4I3Uo)

121 What was the justification used at Nuremberg? Just following orders?.....

Obama can only do this because he has legions of federal agents who will obey his malignant designs because he signs their paychecks. Every one of these agents knows this when he accepts the job, and everyone who stays knows the terms of his employment.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 26, 2013 05:13 PM (qfSUT)

122 What makes you guys think any of this shit will ever be on the news?
Posted by: maddogg
I would have agreed with up until now but I think we will see more of the press questioning Obama.
He shuts them out at will and they don't like it. At the Governors meeting he tells the press to get out of the room so he can take some questions. WTF????
The balls on this guy. Or as Reggie would say, "My earmuffs"

Posted by: Cheri at February 26, 2013 05:13 PM (G+Wff)

123 Completely OT: My holster from Panther Concealment just shipped. Yay!

Of course, the lighting-quick bureaucracy of the Great State of Texas will still keep me from being able to use it for 3 more months, but at least now I'm *just* waiting for the bureaucracy.

Passed my handgun qual for CHL with 232/250.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:13 PM (xN73L)

124 "Imagine if the next terrorist attack on U.S. soil is carried out by one of the illegals he releases"

Something tells me Obama's considered this, and that would be a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2013 05:13 PM (is6Me)

125 120 Jaws,

You don't need 40,000 rounds you need ~200 give or take...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:13 PM (LRFds)

126 If we expand Fast and Furious north to Arizona, and arm the illegal immigrants we are flying toMaricopa Countyfrom all over the country, would anyone object? Jan Brewer doesn't count.

Posted by: President For Life Obama at February 26, 2013 05:14 PM (B5y+v)

127 should one of these released "visitors" kill someone the MSM will try and FAIL to pin the blame on the GOP ... timeline won't work ... Obama really is a gambler ... (a poor one imho)

Posted by: JeffC at February 26, 2013 05:14 PM (A3tpD)

128 I'm finding .308 relatively available, but .303? Nada. Correction - I saw some at a Bass Pro for $2.00 per round! Nyet spasibo.
Posted by: Rule #2 at February 26, 2013 05:00 PM (CypDC)


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I can still get .303 relatively cheap at our local gun shows. And the Enfield is a good sturdy weapon. Accurate too.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2013 05:14 PM (3ZiVX)

129 124 Lizzy,

probably.....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:15 PM (LRFds)

130 Passed my handgun qual for CHL with 232/250.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:13 PM (xN73L)




Careful mister, that's RINO territory.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 26, 2013 05:15 PM (GEICT)

131 So Obama releases crimmigrants before the Sequester even starts.

But it's Republicans fault.

Posted by: zsasz at February 26, 2013 05:15 PM (MMC8r)

132 I'm a Whisp. We don't say "wetback." We say "mojado." Gracias.

Posted by: Osoloco at February 26, 2013 05:15 PM (VCnwY)

133 I blame all the LIV pieces of shit around me. Nothing but trained circus animals doing the ringmaster's bidding.

Posted by: LGoPs at February 26, 2013 05:15 PM (4x8W0)

134 128 Soona,

you can of course meet in the middle....

my Ishy is a .308 Enfield....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:16 PM (LRFds)

135 Of course, the lighting-quick bureaucracy of the Great State of Texas will still keep me from being able to use it for 3 more months, but at least now I'm *just* waiting for the bureaucracy.


Congrats!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 05:16 PM (GFM2b)

136 SERENITY NOW!

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 05:16 PM (QupBk)

137 By the way, all you brave talking patriots should never forget I have about 3 billion rounds in reserve. Complain all you want, withing acceptable limits, but just don't forget we are the Government and we can shoot your ass.

Posted by: Big Sis at February 26, 2013 05:16 PM (B5y+v)

138 Careful mister, that's RINO territory.

That's hurtful.

If it helps, most of the misses (Yes, I declared anything outside the 8 ring a "miss"- none of them missed the silhouette) came at the longest range (15 yards? 25? The target looked mighty small way out there).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:16 PM (xN73L)

139 Chicks shooting shotguns, per Slow Joe's advice : http://tinyurl.com/a42m2jw

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 26, 2013 05:16 PM (w+Dvf)

140 Like I said this morning, the fact that not one.single.democrat will speak out against a President who is knowingly endangering his own citizens means that EVERY FUCKING DEMOCRAT is my enemy and dangerous to this country.

Posted by: DangerGirl - Assault Female at February 26, 2013 05:17 PM (GrtrJ)

141 Let him release the hounds.

The public will undoubtedly know the value of gun ownership thereafter.

Didn't Castro do this too?

Posted by: Dadof3 at February 26, 2013 05:17 PM (nZy+B)

142 Even if Boehner caves and gives Obama everything the Tea Party loathes, Obama will release the prisoners.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 26, 2013 05:17 PM (qfSUT)

143 137By the way, all you brave talking patriots should never forget I have about 3 billion rounds in reserve. Complain all you want, withing acceptable limits, but just don't forget we are the Government and we can shoot your ass.Posted by: Big Sis at February 26, 2013 05:16 PM (B5y+v) So why waste time. Lets open the ball.

Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 05:17 PM (OlN4e)

144 sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:16 PM (LRFds

I thought you were a M96 man.
Ishys can be a roll of the dice. If you can handpick, you can wind up with a gem. If not, you can wind up with one thats been humped in the jungle for the last 60 years.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 05:17 PM (t06LC)

145 You don't need 40,000 rounds you need ~200 give or take...
Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:13 PM (LRFds)


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If the shooting starts, I won't need that much ammo. I'm old and can't move around as quickly as I used to. I don't expect to survive very long.

HOWEVER, I do believe I'm proficient enough to take a few with me, if you catch my drift.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2013 05:17 PM (3ZiVX)

146 Let my people go!

Posted by: Moses Menendez at February 26, 2013 05:18 PM (yn6XZ)

147 The Democrats care so much about the impact of sequestration that both the SCOAMT and Reid have rejected a proposal that would give the Administration flexibility in making the cuts.

“'We have a law that’s in effect — it’s called sequestration,' Reid said. 'Those cuts will go forward. They’re all cuts. I think we need some revenue to take the pressure off of everybody. The American people agree with me. Until there is some agreement on revenue, I believe we should just go ahead with the sequester.'”

Posted by: 80sBaby at February 26, 2013 05:18 PM (YjDyJ)

148
Pray tell, is there a tipping point in our future

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 26, 2013 05:19 PM (R8hU8)

149 3 billion rounds in reserve. Complain all you want, withing acceptable limits, but just don't forget we are the Government and we can shoot your ass.
Posted by: Big Sis at February 26, 2013 05:16 PM (B5y+v)

You have those stashed in armories around the country correct? Great. Keep it all together.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 05:19 PM (t06LC)

150 137By the way, all you brave talking patriots should never forget I have about 3 billion rounds in reserve. Complain all you want, withing acceptable limits, but just don't forget we are the Government and we can shoot at your ass.

Posted by: Big Sis at February 26, 2013 05:16 PM (B5y+v)



"Shooting at" and "hitting" are two very different things. Just ask the LAPD and NYPD.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 26, 2013 05:19 PM (GEICT)

151 137 Big Sis,

sweetie I am counting on you using all that ammo.....

read 'war of the flea'

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:19 PM (LRFds)

152 you can of course meet in the middle....

my Ishy is a .308 Enfield....


Sweet. I looked at them back around '99 before settling on an FN/FAL.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 05:20 PM (GFM2b)

153 so, why didn't romney make this an issue?

if it was actually a matter of discussion, the preisdent's immigration stance (bring em all in, give em $ to sit around, and then have them vote multiple times) would have cost him dearly in 2012 (and 2010).

But nope. Can't wedge an issue.

As I said earlier, GOP only gets 3 hours every 4 years to make its direct case, and this was not done during debate #2 when Romney could've shown he's a winning winner who wins by winning by answering stupid amensty question with the following:

1. Fuck you, no amnesty, next question.

actually, there would be more.

2. Enforcement first, actually fence and enforcement first. Punishing businesses second.

3. do you realize that the current immigration law brings in nearly 2 million new somalis and saudis a year? No, betccha didn't. We going to stop that. America's full. fuck you, next question.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 26, 2013 05:20 PM (QxSug)

154 - "Is there any legal remedy for a president who deliberately subverts the operations of government?" Well, Chief, that ship sailed and sank last November. The brutal reality is that a reelected president with 34 loyal Senators is untouchable. There is no remedy. Elections have consequences. And politics neither is a coffee klatch nor a sewing circle. Next time aroundconservatives need to put aside their litmus tests, toss out their check lists, not worry about their 15-point quesionnaires, not worry about sending messages, or proving points, discard any interest in vaccines, pipe down and thenshut up, and ultimately vote for the Republican. Then hope for the best.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at February 26, 2013 05:20 PM (pmsMR)

155 Joke's gonna be on President Downgrade.

As Mead points out, they'll probably all run home, with a few of us behind them:

"At 5 percent, Mexico’s unemployment rate is nearly three points below ours. In 2012, its GDP grew by nearly 4 percent, and foreign investors, encouraged by the turnaround, poured $57 billion into stocks and bonds in the first nine months. Forthcoming reforms in the telecommunications and energy sectors may also help those industries to boom. The country’s economic forecasts are so promising that the Financial Times has dubbed it the “Aztec tiger.” As the Mexican economy improves, immigration pressures will continue to abate. Who knows? If the trends continue, maybe we’ll even see southbound migrants outnumbering northbound ones."

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/02/25/time-to-emigrate-to-mexico/

Posted by: BuddyPC at February 26, 2013 05:20 PM (jfUIE)

156
Hagel:

Cloture vote was 71-27.

Senate vote to approve: 58-41.

Four Democrats voted no.

So, pffft, he's in, and Israel is in....trouble.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 26, 2013 05:20 PM (1Y+hH)

157 150 BC1981,

It goes beyond that...

you remind me about "war of the flea" or "tequila junction" sometime and if Ace is okay I'll explain why they are doomed.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:20 PM (LRFds)

158 Didn't Castro do this too?

Correct.

So Obama joins Fidel Castro and Saddam Hussein in emptying prisons.

Sleep tight, tonight. Because Bush.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 26, 2013 05:20 PM (feFL6)

159 When one of them rapes someone, it's Willie Horton all over again.

Posted by: Phelps at February 26, 2013 05:21 PM (cWtxJ)

160 Like I said this morning, the fact that not one.single.democrat will speak out against a President who is knowingly endangering his own citizens means that EVERY FUCKING DEMOCRAT is my enemy and dangerous to this country.

I noticed this back when Clinton was impeached. Not one single Democrat Senator even looked at the evidence that had been prepared. As a matter of fact they made a show out of not looking. That's the day I had my epiphany against Democrats. It's the day I realized that nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, was more important to them than party loyalty. The country be damned.

Say what you will about Nixon, it was the Republican Senate that told him to resign. For the good of the country.

Posted by: LGoPs at February 26, 2013 05:21 PM (4x8W0)

161 re: ammo buy up.

Solution because govt is slow and ponderous:

stop making the sizes they're buying, start using different calibers in private world.

IIRC, they're buying up 9mm or some stupid law enforcement size. They aren't going broad spectrum. Operate around it.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 26, 2013 05:21 PM (QxSug)

162 Yeah, but that dude what made that youtube vid that turned an otherwise peaceful peeple into consulate attackers is still rottin' in the clink.

Posted by: Film Critic at February 26, 2013 05:22 PM (yn6XZ)

163 152 rickb223,

This one is a Gibbs rubber ducked Jungle Carbine...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:22 PM (LRFds)

164 Polls are showing even low information citizens are seeing through the Obama bullshit.
=======
Where?

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 26, 2013 05:22 PM (VjL9S)

165 Don't third-world dictators do this before their regimes are toppled?

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at February 26, 2013 05:23 PM (I2LwF)

166 >>>Pray tell, is there a tipping point in our future

Big objects tip over slowly. It is not always apparent to those on top of them that A. They are starting to tip, or B that they've already passed the point of no return.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 26, 2013 05:23 PM (0q2P7)

167 The guy is a menace, but my outrage impulse is numb at this point.

Posted by: Atlas Mugged at February 26, 2013 05:23 PM (uZE/5)

168 but if you think that the american no-information voting public is going to learn about this and get upset WITHOUT the GOP making it an issue (wedge), then you silly.

We will lose and continue to lose until our leaders have balls and make hay out of bad behavior, choices by the Donks.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 26, 2013 05:23 PM (QxSug)

169 Do you mean not even conservative Dems like the great Joe Manchin will speak out? And Jim Webb, retired, will maintain his silence despite being the rootinest, tootinest toughest fighter and hombre out there. And, let's not forget our twosome, McCain and Graham-think they will say anything?

Posted by: ejo at February 26, 2013 05:23 PM (GXvSO)

170 @155

Most of the new illegals here in South Texas aren't Mexican nationals at all. The ones ive seen recently are from Ecuador, Honduras, Nicaragua, shit holes like that. It seems the Mexican government doesn't take too kindly to illegal immigration from the south. Irony.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 05:23 PM (t06LC)

171 This one is a Gibbs rubber ducked Jungle Carbine...>>

What is rubber ducked? I have an MK 5.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 26, 2013 05:23 PM (81UWZ)

172 >>>6 He is running the Joker's playbook essentially.

"You know the thing about chaos? It's fair."

Posted by: El Kabong at February 26, 2013 05:23 PM (3b2XD)

173 3 billion rounds in reserve.

Perhaps. But our side has more people willing to deliver ours. How many true-believers in the Federal workforce will be willing to go Full Retard?

Posted by: zsasz at February 26, 2013 05:24 PM (MMC8r)

174 Hey, what's that in my mouth? Doesn't taste like a rainbow.

Posted by: Southern Dem at February 26, 2013 05:24 PM (yn6XZ)

175 Big objects tip over slowly. It is not always apparent to those on top of them that A. They are starting to tip, or B that they've already passed the point of no return.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 26, 2013 05:23 PM (0q2P7)

Just like Guam. You laugh now wingnutz.

Posted by: Hank Johnson at February 26, 2013 05:24 PM (t06LC)

176 No worries, citizens. It's like releasing 100,000 Trayvons. So sleep soundly and go long on Skittles!

Posted by: Big Sis at February 26, 2013 05:24 PM (9aiDE)

177 I want to send a special shout-out to our watchdogs in the media for making sure that the people of the United States never get put in danger by reckless and cynical politicians who are Republican.

Posted by: sherlock at February 26, 2013 05:25 PM (81ia8)

178 but just don't forget we are the Government and we can shoot your ass.Posted by: Big Sis at February 26, 2013 05:16 PM (B5y+v)

So why waste time. Lets open the ball.


Someone may want to explain the rules to them.

If my family is "in play", so is their's.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 05:26 PM (wkjWh)

179 This one is a Gibbs rubber ducked Jungle Carbine...
Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:22 PM (LRFds)

Nice. I have a Gibbs 03A4 I haven't shot yet.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 05:26 PM (t06LC)

180 Charlie Daniels ‏@CharlieDaniels

You intellectuals get all the college professors and Al Gore,I get all the rednecks and cowboys and let's see who can hold the fort longer.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 26, 2013 05:27 PM (8sCoq)

181 So, who are we gonna test the new school lunch menus on?

Posted by: Fatass' Kitchen Nightmare at February 26, 2013 05:27 PM (yn6XZ)

182
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 05:26 PM (wkjWh)




The nice thing about insurrection is the list of rules; as follows:





Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 05:27 PM (OlN4e)

183 The nice thing about insurrection is the list of rules; as follows:

You missed one:

1) Bacon must appear in at least one meal each week.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:28 PM (xN73L)

184 Every day you think this administration can't get worse....and they do.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at February 26, 2013 05:28 PM (baL2B)

185 You intellectuals get all the college professors and Al Gore,I get all
the rednecks and cowboys and let's see who can hold the fort longer.


I don't know, those professionals at DHS and the new pink army sure are scary.

Posted by: Methos at February 26, 2013 05:28 PM (hO9ad)

186 I suppose someone has already noticed this, but people who have no respect for the laws of a country have NO FUCKING RESPECT FOR THE LAWS OF A COUNTRY.

None, nada, zip.

Posted by: Caps Lock Warrior at February 26, 2013 05:28 PM (feFL6)

187 Aren't most of these illegals in detention centers on the basis that they were picked up for criminal activity and then found to be illegal?

I'm sure the media will lay the blame on the appropriate target should one of those released commit rape or murder...

Frank Stallone.

Posted by: El Kabong at February 26, 2013 05:28 PM (3b2XD)

188 171 Buzzsaw,

There was no Ishy jungle carbine in history, but Gibbs made some using Ishy Long Rifles...

http://www.gibbsrifle.com/historical_remakes_.html

I have a Mk 7 no 1....

It is not the world's best .308 but totally functional at 250-600 yds.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:29 PM (LRFds)

189 The nice thing about insurrection is the list of rules; as follows:-> Always write with invisible ink. That's a good rule right there.

Posted by: It's cool to follow the rules. at February 26, 2013 05:29 PM (yn6XZ)

190 This one is a Gibbs rubber ducked Jungle Carbine...


Sven, even nicer. That was the model I was looking at. Jungle Carbine. Back then, you could find them dirt cheap.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 05:29 PM (wkjWh)

191 I'm surprised Karl and Co. in the NuGOP Movement haven't trademarked 'Rovelution.'

Posted by: zsasz at February 26, 2013 05:30 PM (MMC8r)

192 The nice thing about insurrection is the list of rules; as follows:

1: Win.

...really, how did you forget that one?

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 26, 2013 05:30 PM (GBXon)

193 "You know the thing about chaos? It's fair."
Posted by: El Kabong at February 26, 2013 05:23 PM (3b2XD)


------------------------------------------------


As I've said. The dems want chaos. They need chaos. And they're going to start pushing us (conservatives/true Americans) until someone snaps. Most likely it will be a leftist or leftist organization that will start the shooting. It's coming.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2013 05:30 PM (3ZiVX)

194 It doesn't matter what he does. If the MSM doesn't run with it, it didn't happen.
And they will never, ever turn on him.

Oh, they'll pick at him for trivial things from time to time. They might roll their eyes a bit when Michelle hands out the Oscar. But the bigger the offense, the more they will double down, hide the news and circle the wagons.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 26, 2013 05:31 PM (C8mVl)

195 The nice thing about insurrection is the list of rules; as follows:



1: Win.



...really, how did you forget that one?


Dahn it ahll ta heck. We knew we missed somethin'.

Posted by: The CSA at February 26, 2013 05:31 PM (xN73L)

196 The GOP needs to show, clearly, if they are on the side of the Traiter in Chief or the American people. If they do anything short of placing ads on MFM national broadcast TV, explaining that:

* he personally signed the sequestration bill into law,
* it is a miniscule cut in the growth of federal spending,
* there are reams of discretionary spending cuts he could make,
* but he is deliberately choosing to put every American in harms way,
* solely for the purpose of demonizing the GOP for his political purposes,
* the U.S. has never seen a POTUS deliberately work against the American people,

...then we'll know where they stand.

I've come around to accepting that the GOP may be every bit as corrupt as the Dems. But I still don't understand why, in the name of their own self-interest, they don't stand up for themselves. Their reputation is in the gutter and they don't do anything about it.

It's not rocket science. The best way to neutralize jugears is to point out *exactly* what he is about to do. Do this over and over and over. Then sit back and let the LIV see it happen real-time. Teach them what to look out for, what jugears' does and why. It won't take too long before jugears realizes he can't get away with his evil plans as easily as before. Right now he keeps doing the same thing, and the GOP keeps doing the same thing...very definition of (you know the word).





Posted by: Mayday at February 26, 2013 05:32 PM (F3s39)

197 What? We were all thinking it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:32 PM (xN73L)

198 Chuck Hagel won confirmation Tuesday to become defense secretary over objections to his views on Middle East security and the administration’s handling of an attack on a U.S. consulate in Libya.

On a 58 to 41 vote, the Senate confirmed the former GOP senator as four Republicans joined 54 Democrats in approving Hagel, ending a nearly two-month battle that included an unprecedented filibuster against the nominee.

The four Republican senators voting in favor were Thad Cochran (Miss.), Mike Johanns (Neb.), Richard C. Shelby (Ala.) and Rand Paul (Ky.). All 41 no votes came from Republicans.

The vote marked a foreign policy victory for President Obama, who pushed the nomination of his old friend from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee despite warnings of a rough confirmation process. Hagel, a former Army infantryman who was awarded two Purple Hearts during the Vietnam War, will become the first enlisted man to go on to lead the Pentagon.

Disgusting but at least it is a sign of the lack of faith in this asshole that NEVER has a Sec of Defense been confirm with more than 3 NOs before. Dickhead got 41 NOs. But what the fuck is up with Rand Paul?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:33 PM (9Bj8R)

199 The nice thing about insurrection is the list of rules; as follows:




Amen.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 05:33 PM (wkjWh)

200 Like I said this morning, the fact that not one.single.democrat will speak out against a President who is knowingly endangering his own citizens means that EVERY FUCKING DEMOCRAT is my enemy and dangerous to this country.
Posted by: DangerGirl - Assault Female at February 26, 2013 05:17 PM (GrtrJ)

I'm coming around to that point of view, myself. That said, part of me admires their lockstep party loyalty. There were Blue Dog Democrats in red and purple states who knew their vote for Obamacare (and other votes) woulddamage or even kill their reelection chances, yet they voted for it, anyway. They fell on their swords rather than follow their own self-interests.Would to God we had Republican politicians in the US House and Senate who would stand firm as a body.

Far-left 'progressives' of the liberal base have taken over leadership of the Democratic Party while the GOP's moderate wing is more or less running things on the right and leaving the conservative base out in the cold. It's a strange dynamic.

Posted by: troyriser at February 26, 2013 05:33 PM (vtiE6)

201 So, has that video maker been released yet?

Posted by: Dave S. at February 26, 2013 05:33 PM (pQdNP)

202 No one expects the Lemuria Inquisition!

Posted by: Lemurian Liberation Front at February 26, 2013 05:33 PM (yn6XZ)

203 Disrespect for the law is contagious.

I mean, come fucking on, we knew this was the plan. Obama and many of his Czars were raised on Alinsky, for crying out loud.

They're fucking traitors. This is not "politics as usual" or "politics of personal destruction," this is "the politics of eating away the foundation of a free society, sowing discord and encouraging hatred and division."

Fucking Hell.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 26, 2013 05:33 PM (bxiXv)

204 There was no Ishy jungle carbine in history,>>

I didn't mean I had an Ishy just the standard surplus Enfield jungle carbine.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 26, 2013 05:33 PM (81UWZ)

205 179 JollyRoger,

Well I'm giving serious thought to accurizing it after I tighten up my MN 91/30....

I'm going to make a serious push to master scopes this year.

I've never been much of a scope user....I've gotten by on iron sights...

getting old, my eyes may start going a bit soon.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:33 PM (LRFds)

206 I'm surprised Karl and Co. in the NuGOP Movement haven't trademarked 'Rovelution.'

No way. People might think we're going to rock the boat, and there go the party invitations.

Posted by: friendly neighborhood GOP establishment at February 26, 2013 05:33 PM (hO9ad)

207 Federal Appeals Court Rules Drug Testing Welfare Applicants Is Unconstitutional…

So glad I have to piss into a bottle every month of so

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:34 PM (9Bj8R)

208 "TSA Sequester Doomsday Scenario Not Likely"- http://bit.ly/Xf1CV0

Posted by: 80sBaby at February 26, 2013 05:34 PM (YjDyJ)

209 And apparently Hagel the Bagel is now Sec Def?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 26, 2013 05:34 PM (xopQc)

210 204 Buzzsaw,

ah yeah no was not flaming at you seriously.

I was just saying Gibbs had to 'fake it"...

the nice thing about the remakes is that the original No5mk1s had a bit of a wandering zero...

sort of like the US and the current First Family

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:34 PM (LRFds)

211 Senate vote to approve: 58-41.

How can this be? pep assured me it wouldn't happen.

Posted by: Ronster at February 26, 2013 05:34 PM (dBayF)

212 And apparently Hagel the Bagel is now Sec Def?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 26, 2013 05:34 PM (xopQc)

If I were Israel I'd attack TONIGHT!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:35 PM (9Bj8R)

213 But what the fuck is up with Rand Paul?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:33 PM (9Bj8R)

I think Rand Paul's been reading the comments here. He's doing his bit to Let It Burn (TM).

Posted by: troyriser at February 26, 2013 05:35 PM (vtiE6)

214 In related news, Texas just declared an open season, no bag limit, on free-range Mexicans.

Posted by: Gromulin at February 26, 2013 05:35 PM (SNjPs)

215 For those of you who don't see a historical prescedent, I offer the story of the Kingmen and the Freemen in the Book of Mormon.

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/51?lang=eng

Background: The Nephites are generally the people of God at this point. The Lamanites are lazy thieves who prefer to plunder rather than work. The Lamanites are steeped in grievance theology against the Nephites. They are taught that Nephi (father of the Nephites and younger brother to Laman) stole the right of government from Laman (given to the oldest sibling by tradition).

The Nephites are governed by a chief judge and generally just laws. However, there is a faction that are high-born (more directly descended from Nephi) and wish for there to be a King to rule who will hand out patronages to his friends, also high-born. These are called Kingmen. Those who oppose this plan are known as Freemen.

In the middle of this division, the Lamanites attack from the outside. The Kingmen have a secret agreement that the Lamanites will enslave the people, but will cede local government to the Kingmen in return for regular tribute.

The situation is resolved by the military who rout the Kingmen, imprisoning them, then deal with the Lamanite external threat.

Sound familiar? Statists who believe they have a right to the government making deals with external forces to destabilize the government so they can take control. These statists don't mind being enslaved as long as they can take control of their fellows.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 26, 2013 05:35 PM (A0glY)

216 The four Republican senators voting in favor were Thad Cochran (Miss.), Mike Johanns (Neb.), Richard C. Shelby (Ala.) and Rand Paul (Ky.). All 41 no votes came from Republicans.

So much for his career...

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 26, 2013 05:35 PM (GBXon)

217 I'm coming around to that point of view, myself. That said, part of me admires their lockstep party loyalty. There were Blue Dog Democrats in red and purple states who knew their vote for Obamacare (and other votes) woulddamage or even kill their reelection chances, yet they voted for it, anyway. They fell on their swords rather than follow their own self-interests.Would to God we had Republican politicians in the US House and Senate who would stand firm as a body.

It is precisely what the old communist cadres used to do. Lockstep to the death.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: LGoPs at February 26, 2013 05:35 PM (4x8W0)

218 Rand Paul must be . . . a Paulian. He is anti-military, just like his Dad.

There just is no other explanation for his vote. He's a true-blue Isolationist Libertarian.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 26, 2013 05:35 PM (J6kXj)

219 41 NOs. If hagel had any balls or sense of shame, he'd resign tonight

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:36 PM (9Bj8R)

220 203 mero,

I'll get around to highlighting Federalist 6 tonight....

basically it is to our advantage to shed our deference to the law since the nation is not punishing the "new left" from the '60s for their abrogation of saidsame...

I think piracy of natural resources will be the new game.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:36 PM (LRFds)

221 Hagel has no functioning brain.

He's like Bizarro World Jack Kemp

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 26, 2013 05:36 PM (J6kXj)

222 Who here does not know where the GOP stands?



Posted by: nip at February 26, 2013 05:36 PM (11Tdq)

223 The guys at Powerline compared Obama's selection of Hagel to Truman's selection of Johnson. A hatchet man so domestic policy can be pursued.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 26, 2013 05:36 PM (xopQc)

224 216 Cavil,

You'll recall my qualms about punishing Rand for his dad's sins?

They're gone.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:37 PM (LRFds)

225 Rand got his Dad an anti-Israel DefSec for an early Father's Day.

Posted by: zsasz at February 26, 2013 05:37 PM (MMC8r)

226 216 --- Rand Paul (Ky.).
So much for his career...

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 26, 2013 05:35 PM (GBXon)
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Yup.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 26, 2013 05:37 PM (C8mVl)

227 209
And apparently Hagel the Bagel is now Sec Def?

---

AP - Republican Sec Def Hagel presides over massive defense cuts.....

You can see it coming.

Posted by: Craig Poe at February 26, 2013 05:38 PM (BVkEs)

228 But what the fuck is up with Rand Paul?

Not running for president in 2016 after all, I guess.

Posted by: Methos at February 26, 2013 05:38 PM (hO9ad)

229 You'll recall my qualms about punishing Rand for his dad's sins?

They're gone.


Look at it this way, he now has sins of his own to punish.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 26, 2013 05:39 PM (GBXon)

230 Not running for president in 2016 after all, I guess.


or, ever.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 26, 2013 05:39 PM (J6kXj)

231 @205
Awesome Sven, you have good taste in rifles.
I have two enfields, a '43 long branch No. 4 Mk. 1, and a 1915 No. 1 Mk.3. I haven't shot that one because its damn old.

I just picked up a new Finn M39, and I want to see if they live up to the title of best Mosin. If I were you, I'd look into getting a PU Mosin from AIM surplus. They're original snipers from WWII and as such were the pick of the litter during production. The russians set aside good shooters to accurize during testing for thier snipers, all other countries just set aside some rifles from regular production to put scopes on. I have a PU mosin thats sub moa with surplus ammo even though its almost 70 and looks beat up.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 05:39 PM (t06LC)

232 Release the undocumented Kraken!

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 05:39 PM (Hx5uv)

233 You know what, I don't even care about the Republican votes on the confirmation.

I want to know who voted for Cloture. They're the ones who need to be named and shamed. Every Republican in the chamber could have voted against confirmation and he still would have been confirmed. The only difference would be those 4 Democrat Senators wouldn't have had any cover to hide behind.

A vote for Cloture was a vote for Hagel.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:39 PM (xN73L)

234 Dickhead got 41 NOs. But what the fuck is up with Rand Paul?

Or he's letting TFG have his way so it's TFG fault when SHTF.

Posted by: Infidel at February 26, 2013 05:39 PM (O/fK8)

235 Republican Sec Def Hagel presides over massive defense cuts.....

You can see it coming.
Posted by: Craig Poe at February 26, 2013 05:38 PM (BVkEs)

With 41 NO Republican votes, the dems own this one

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:39 PM (9Bj8R)

236 Speaking of sunken lands. Lake Tehran anyone?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 26, 2013 05:40 PM (xopQc)

237 OMG You Guys

The Dems - DON'T CARE. they don't care that they supposedly "own this."

they just want the USA to SUCK

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 26, 2013 05:40 PM (J6kXj)

238 229 Cavil,

well I look forward to his bitching about his punishment being all out of proportion to his own "hard won decision"....

Rand I have a Ron spanking for you buddy....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:41 PM (LRFds)

239 198 But what the fuck is up with Rand Paul?

He said that "the president has the prerogative to determine political appointees" and that he is more concerned about Brennan.

Posted by: 80sBaby at February 26, 2013 05:41 PM (YjDyJ)

240 A vote for Cloture was a vote for Hagel.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:39 PM (xN73L)


Unfortunetaly alot of Rs voted to stop filibuster. The list is out there. Only 21 Rs held fast

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:41 PM (9Bj8R)

241 Rand Paul must be . . . a Paulian. He is anti-military, just like his Dad. There just is no other explanation for his vote. He's a true-blue Isolationist Libertarian.
Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 26, 2013 05:35 PM (J6kXj)


------------------------------------------------


And some Jew-hatred just like his dad. Rand just dumped on my 2016 primary vote for him. NEXT!

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2013 05:41 PM (3ZiVX)

242 He said that "the president has the prerogative to determine political appointees" and that he is more concerned about Brennan.

fuck that noise, vote no on both

what, would that STRAIN something?!?!

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 26, 2013 05:41 PM (J6kXj)

243 41 NOs. If hagel had any balls or sense of shame, he'd resign tonight
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:36 PM (9Bj8R)
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He is too stupid to know what the dust up is about.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 26, 2013 05:42 PM (jucos)

244 Unfortunetaly alot of Rs voted to stop filibuster. The list is out there. Only 21 Rs held fast

Exactly my point.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:42 PM (xN73L)

245 The sad part of all of this is that the GOP keeps hitting them with the indefensible Boner's Gambit.

Taxes? Boner's Gambit
Spending? Boner's Gambit
Unemployment? Boner's Gambit

We're gonna kick some fucking ass one of these days!

Posted by: Fritz at February 26, 2013 05:42 PM (UzPAd)

246 In reference to Hagel: sorry Israel, I have to worry about the destruction of my own country.

Posted by: NCKate at February 26, 2013 05:42 PM (4FeFx)

247 He is too stupid to know what the dust up is about.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 26, 2013 05:42 PM (jucos)

Except it is the Jooos fault

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:42 PM (9Bj8R)

248 He is too stupid to know what the dust up is about.


exactly Truck Monkey.

Hagel is so dumb he has to ask Biden to explain shit to him

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at February 26, 2013 05:43 PM (J6kXj)

249 How come the money couldn't come out of Barry's stash that goes to pay for Obama phones and other welfare?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 26, 2013 05:43 PM (Qaw8m)

250 Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 05:39 PM (t06LC)

I own two Mosins: the 91/30 rifle and the M44 carbine. Both are amazingly good shooters, accurate and reliable. My big fear is that 7.62 x 54R ammo will start to disappear. We'll know the end is near when that happens. It's one of the signs of the Apocalypse.

Posted by: troyriser at February 26, 2013 05:43 PM (vtiE6)

251 You all remember that "What I saw at the coup" thing?

Anywho, what if you run the numbers in the other direction?

Suppose there was a list of some 2,000 leaders of people and thought on the left that, should they be eliminated, would destroy the whole?

Crazy shit, anyway. Brings home how they would think they could pull something like that off. Projection.

Don't like this idea of a lot of people ending up dead.

But, I like the idea of being a criminal for believing in my rights even less.

It's where we're going--one or the other.

Started re-watching "The Civil War" last night; been about 10 years.

Jeez. This shit doesn't repeat but it sure as hell is rhyming.

Do not like, do not like at all.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 26, 2013 05:43 PM (VjL9S)

252 231 Jollyroger,

the M39s are absolutely without a doubt the best inexpensive Nagants...

the MN-28 is arguably better by a nose but was a genuine work of art on each rifle....

I've been tempted to chop an M-39 into the new archangel stock system and mount a PU rig on her....

Simo H used Iron sights and a grin....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:43 PM (LRFds)

253 In accord with other posters, I'm also an old guy. As the days pass, I feel a kinship with the protagonist in Gran Turismo. Justice.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 26, 2013 05:43 PM (qwK3S)

254 Actually if there is any silver lining its because the Rs did vote to allow the full Senate to vote on Hagel. It removes a fig leaf of defense - 'those obstructionist Republicans would not allow my nominee to get a vote.'

Yeah a tiny fig leaf.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 26, 2013 05:43 PM (xopQc)

255 The Laup doesn't fall far from the Nor.

Posted by: Craig Poe at February 26, 2013 05:43 PM (BVkEs)

256 In reference to Hagel: sorry Israel, I have to worry about the destruction of my own country.
Posted by: NCKate at February 26, 2013 05:42 PM (4FeFx)

For better or worse, their fates are very much linked

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:43 PM (9Bj8R)

257 250 troyriser,

maybe...Winchester is making it.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:44 PM (LRFds)

258 246

Because voting against Hagel would somehow prevent that. Uh-huh.

Posted by: zsasz at February 26, 2013 05:44 PM (MMC8r)

259 Self-flagellate all you want, I'm not going to start cutting my wrists over DumDum getting cloture.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 05:44 PM (xAtAj)

260
Shame getting old, and not being able to run with the young ones anymore.

But I still can shoot just as well as ever.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 26, 2013 05:44 PM (SAMxH)

261 I'm not going to start cutting my wrists over DumDum getting cloture.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 05:44 PM (xAtAj)

Of course not. But maybe a nip or 2 tonight and them wake up early tomorrow and go back to fighting obama and the dickheads tooth and nail

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:45 PM (9Bj8R)

262 Self-flagellate all you want, I'm not going to start cutting my wrists over DumDum getting cloture.

Yeah, we kinda knew this was going to happen. Still disappointing to see the specifics, though.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 26, 2013 05:45 PM (GBXon)

263 Or he's letting TFG have his way so it's TFG fault when SHTF.

Posted by: Infidel at February 26, 2013 05:39 PM (O/fK


Stupid if that's the reason, the MFM and Zero will Always Blame Republicans.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 26, 2013 05:45 PM (bxiXv)

264 My big fear is that 7.62 x 54R ammo will start to disappear. We'll know the end is near when that happens. It's one of the signs of the Apocalypse.
Posted by: troyriser at February 26, 2013 05:43 PM (vtiE6)

I too have this worry. Still, its cheap enough that say $1500 would probably buy you enough ammo for a lifetime or two.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 05:46 PM (t06LC)

265 >Who here does not know where the GOP stands?

GOP Sens and Reps remind me Capitaine Renault in Casablanca


well-dressed, well-spoken, well-connected, well-greased

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 26, 2013 05:46 PM (8sCoq)

266 The sausage Hagel will make out of the DoD will kill millions.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 26, 2013 05:46 PM (xopQc)

267 the MFM and Zero will Always Blame Republicans.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 26, 2013 05:45 PM (bxiXv)

That is wearing thin

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:46 PM (9Bj8R)

268 259 HoboJerky,

HJ you'll recall I said we're gonna lose and the key is to watch who is who?

I just saw what I suspected about Rand...

Rand I feel sorry for you buddy...you're in Joisey Buddah's lap on the "fuck you" chair.....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 05:47 PM (LRFds)

269 So, did Rand Paul essentially pull "This isn't the hill to die on"?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 26, 2013 05:47 PM (GEICT)

270 @252

Not a bad idea. I really like the PU scopes.

The White Death seems like a pretty good authority on rifles...

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 05:47 PM (t06LC)

271 For better or worse, their fates are very much linked

No, I think this nation has solidly shifted to the other side.

Just remember, your relationship with the Almighty is yours alone and Lucifer's servants can't touch that no matter what law they pass.

Posted by: Methos at February 26, 2013 05:47 PM (hO9ad)

272 Rand? I guess we now know who you are. Willing to place someone not competent in charge of the DOD to forward your foreign policy agenda.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 26, 2013 05:47 PM (0q2P7)

273 Self-flagellate all you want, I'm not going to start cutting my wrists over DumDum getting cloture.

I'm not self-flagellating. Except as an offense to my sense of Right and Wrong, Hagel's nomination doesn't really hurt me directly in any way (indirectly is another story, of course- but that would be true of anyone the SCOAMT nominated).

What does hurt me is the Republicans refusing to hold the line to prevent someone who is so obviously unqualified for the job from getting the job anyway. It simply proves that the Republicans aren't there for us, they're there for them.

So them I will excoriate as the feckless, selfish bastards they are.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:47 PM (xN73L)

274 That is wearing thin

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:46 PM (9Bj8R)


Not for them it's not.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 26, 2013 05:47 PM (bxiXv)

275
With 41 NO Republican votes, the dems own this one
Posted by: Nevergiveup




Nah. Think I'm going to remember the 18 Republican votes for cloture too.

Heck with the Republican Party's Pontius Pilate hand-washing theater.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 26, 2013 05:47 PM (kdS6q)

276
"Is there any legal remedy for a president who deliberately subverts the operations of government?"


Doesn't matter if there is. Who's going to make and prosecute the case? The GOP?

Posted by: rrpjr at February 26, 2013 05:47 PM (/GOwI)

277 Shame getting old, and not being able to run with the young ones anymore.But I still can shoot just as well as ever.
Posted by: irongrampa at February 26, 2013 05:44 PM (SAMxH)


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I'm with ya, ig. If a shooting conflict erupts, I won't last long. But I will leave a mark on the other side.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2013 05:48 PM (3ZiVX)

278
Yeah, we kinda knew this was going to happen. Still disappointing to see the specifics, though.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 26, 2013 05:45 PM (GBXon)

I don't wanna be That Guy but DumDum was not a hill to die on.Standing up to Barack for his Extra-Constitutional Executive Adventurism is a little more important.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 05:48 PM (xAtAj)

279 For better or worse, their fates are very much linked

No, I think this nation has solidly shifted to the other side.


No not this nation, and not this nation's Military. Only this commie bastard cock sucking dickhead Admin. There is a difference

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:48 PM (9Bj8R)

280 the MFM and Zero will Always Blame Republicans.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 26, 2013 05:45 PM (bxiXv)

That is wearing thin
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:46 PM (9Bj8R)
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Not to the average Low Information Voter it's not. It just amps up their outrage meter and reaffirms, in their tiny minds, just how evil the republicans are.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 26, 2013 05:48 PM (jucos)

281 @257

Thats pretty good. I know Academy sells thier own brand too, as well as the new manufacture wolf and tula.
Best to stock up now.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 05:49 PM (t06LC)

282 pic.twitter.com/6LeiuWhz4P

Heh.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 26, 2013 05:49 PM (8sCoq)

283 Not to the average Low Information Voter it's not. It just amps up their outrage meter and reaffirms, in their tiny minds, just how evil the republicans are.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 26, 2013 05:48 PM (jucos)


Yee of little faith. If I could I'd buy a few rounds of the bubbly tonight and we could hash it out, but since that is impossible, I'll still lift one to ya from afar

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:50 PM (9Bj8R)

284 If Rand starts slobbing on Zero's knob I'll think about jumping off the train.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 05:50 PM (xAtAj)

285 Good News! This opens up space in the federal penitentiary system to house the entire White House Cabinet.

Posted by: Liberty Lover at February 26, 2013 05:50 PM (encrR)

286 I don't wanna be That Guy but DumDum was not a hill to die on.Standing
up to Barack for his Extra-Constitutional Executive Adventurism is a
little more important.


And standing up against his sock-puppet SecDef nominee wouldn't be doing that?

And even if you assert that it wouldn't be: why can't we do both?

Seriously, I'd love it if the Republican Party lived up the name "Party of NO" for a little while. It'd be refreshing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:50 PM (xN73L)

287 I have two Mosins myself. One I removed the barrel from to convert to .450 marlin, the other is an M-44 tanker I greatly modified and restocked into a Mannlicher type mountain carbine. Laminated stock, full length bedded. Aftermarket trigger. Still have to finish the stock and blue it.

Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 05:50 PM (OlN4e)

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In other news, Gander Mountain near me in Raleigh NC is hiring ten (10) part-timers JUST for their firearms dept.

I’d work evenings just to get first crack at ammo shipments. In fact, I put in an application.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 26, 2013 05:51 PM (4Mv1T)

289 it's pretty scary, I dont think obama thinks there's an end game.

I mean, he's going to ruin the country financially, get Israel nuked, and hand over the middle east to the muslim brotherhood, not to mention lie down to russia with respect to the rest of the world.

And he doesn't care. As in, he does not care if - 10 years or 100 years from now - people say, hey...you know, Obama basically burnt Western Civilization to the ground.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 26, 2013 05:51 PM (QxSug)

290 Okay. I'm gettin' in. *grumbles*

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 26, 2013 05:51 PM (4Mv1T)

291 Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 26, 2013 05:51 PM (4Mv1T)

You. Barrel.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:52 PM (xN73L)

292 Barrel time!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 26, 2013 05:52 PM (bxiXv)

293 The Hagel vote is just another reminder that the GOP will stand for nothing. To some extent Obama is right, all the GOP cares about is taxes for the rich. Now I don't want taxes on the rich going up, but it would be nice to see the GOP fight for something other than taxes. Its ok to hold an absolute position on things - such as no way Hagel gets confirmed, no gun control legislation whatsoever.

Sure would be nice to give the base one measly minor victory that we could be proud of.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 05:52 PM (gmeXX)

294 Might as well install a mini-bar while in there Tobacco Road.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 26, 2013 05:52 PM (xopQc)

295 284 If Rand starts slobbing on Zero's knob I'll think about jumping off the train.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 05:50 PM (xAtAj)



I'm thinking about jumping on the train.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 26, 2013 05:52 PM (GEICT)

296 Obama Says His Sequester Idea Raises Risk of Terror Strike http://po.st/fg8GHN/

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 26, 2013 05:52 PM (8sCoq)

297 Step ahead of you -you -you- you-

Wow. Quite the echo in here - here - here - here- here

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 26, 2013 05:53 PM (4Mv1T)

298 As in, he does not care if - 10 years or 100 years from now - people
say, hey...you know, Obama basically burnt Western Civilization to the
ground.


He does care. He wants them to say that. He wants to be Shiva, Destroyer of Worlds.

And, on that happy note- I'm off home.

Later.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:53 PM (xN73L)

299 >>>>I don't wanna be That Guy but DumDum was not a hill to die on.Standing

up to Barack for his Extra-Constitutional Executive Adventurism is a

little more important.

They could have simply said. "You know those memos in your library you won't let us see till you've properly cataloged them? Yeah, we won't be able to conclude our debate on you till we've seen them. "

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 26, 2013 05:53 PM (0q2P7)

300 Hey, imagine what ZIppy the President can do with a Kerry/Hagel/Brennan triple-threat.

Whatever part of the world we don't surrender to will already have been incinerated.

Posted by: zsasz at February 26, 2013 05:53 PM (MMC8r)

301 Sounds like self-flagellation when people are swearing off support for one of the only senators standing up to Zero.




Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 05:53 PM (xAtAj)

302 And he doesn't care. As in, he does not care if - 10 years or 100 years from now - people say, hey...you know, Obama basically burnt Western Civilization to the ground.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 26, 2013 05:51 PM (QxSug)


There are billions of people in the world for whom it doesn't matter if *everybody* loses as long as someone they hate loses - and there's nothing that inspires hate like success.

Unfortunately, some of those people are in high office here right now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 26, 2013 05:54 PM (bxiXv)

303 Seriously, I'd love it if the Republican Party lived up the name "Party of NO" for a little while. It'd be refreshing.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 05:50 PM (xN73L)




I screamed this when the Dems were trying to brand the Repubs as the "Party of No". Own it, live it. Refuse to give in. Be obstructionist and explain what you're doing and why.


I asked a few weeks or so ago, "when has the Party of No actually said No to anything?"

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 26, 2013 05:54 PM (GEICT)

304 Thank kami, TCM is showing Topper movies right now.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 26, 2013 05:54 PM (xopQc)

305 Why would anyone have died on the Hagel hill?

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 05:55 PM (gmeXX)

306 I did WHAT in your mouth?

Ooooopsie!

Posted by: Rand-y Paul at February 26, 2013 05:55 PM (MMC8r)

307 No not this nation, and not this nation's Military. Only this commie bastard cock sucking dickhead Admin. There is a difference

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:48 PM (9Bj8R)

How did this administration get to be there to install Hagel (or any of the other things they've done). This nation willfully elected and reelected them, the second time with no doubt as to what they stood for. As for the military, how long do you really think the fake push for women and gays is going to take before 'right-thinking' (in the marxist's eyes) people fill all the decision making positions, if it hasn't already happened.
Of course I don't count any Obama supporter as American in any real sense. Under that definition, "this nation" still stands with God, but it's not really making the decisions anymore.

Posted by: Methos at February 26, 2013 05:56 PM (hO9ad)

308
"all the GOP cares about is taxes for the rich"
Who else pays state/federal income taxes?

Posted by: Jess1 at February 26, 2013 05:56 PM (lbiWb)

309 DOA, my number four Enfield is hard to beat in a pinch. I think a "final solution" is in the works for our kind.

Posted by: Mandrill Redass at February 26, 2013 05:56 PM (eEeRy)

310 AP- That's a capital idea. And why go "mini"? I'm thinking black walnut bar. Gun safe in the corner. Moose head over the bar, with a stuffed Grizzly in the corner.

Oh, and if you missed this from my clusterfrig post above.

In other news, Gander Mountain near me in Raleigh NC is hiring ten (10) part-timers JUST for their firearms dept.

I’d work evenings just to get first crack at ammo shipments. In fact, I put in an application.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 26, 2013 05:56 PM (4Mv1T)

311 Now when I walk into and Military Building not only do I have to see obama's arrogant mug but hagel's anti-semitic stupid null void eyes

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 05:58 PM (9Bj8R)

312 I dunno about you guys but I'm up in arms. Arms are raised. Losing bloodflow.

Let's nominate Christie! errr I mean Rubio! errr I mean Jindal!... errr I mean...

Posted by: Circular Flaggelation Squad at February 26, 2013 05:58 PM (xAtAj)

313
Paul explains:

Kentucky Senator Rand Paul said his support for a filibuster against Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel never meant that he would vote against Hagel's confirmation.

"I voted no because I wanted more information and I think that part of what the Senate does is try to get information about the nominees," Paul told reporters in the basement of the Capitol after Hagel's confirmation Tuesday. "I've said all along that I give the president some prerogative in choosing his political appointees."

"There are many things I disagree with Chuck Hagel on, there are many things I disagree with John Kerry on, there are very few things I agree with the president on, but the president gets to choose political appointees," Paul said.

Asked if he ever got the information he wanted about Hagel, Paul said that he hadn't.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 26, 2013 05:59 PM (kdS6q)

314 Is there any legal remedy for a president who deliberately subverts the operations of government?

Well...uh...

Posted by: The 3 million who stayed home at February 26, 2013 06:00 PM (vbh31)

315 "There just is no other explanation for his vote. He's a true-blue Isolationist Libertarian."

1) Libertarian's aren't isolationists. 2) There is nothing wrong with Hagel as a nominee. The only complaint brought against Hagel is that he isn't anti-Muslim. In case you hadn't noticed, we're broke, we can't afford to finance the state of Israel any longer. Blows my mind that with all the shit going on we are clinging to this issue. Let the country be absolutely ruined financially but let's take a stand on
bankrolling a foreign country. Asinine.

3) It isn't the place of the Senate to block nominees based on politics. This has never happened.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:00 PM (HS3dy)

316 So obama can have Hagel, but the first time he screws up and obama uses the "Republican" card, the Republicans better say he's all yours Barry..

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 26, 2013 06:01 PM (9+ccr)

317

Now when I walk into and Military Building not only do I have to see obama's arrogant mug but hagel's anti-semitic stupid null void eyes

That's Secretary of Hatin' the Jooos to you, citizen

Posted by: Secretary Hagel at February 26, 2013 06:01 PM (eyJh9)

318 Sounds like self-flagellation when people are swearing off support for one of the only senators standing up to Zero.

Yup, that's some stand, to be one of 4 GOPers to make a bipartisan final vote possible. Courage like I've not seen in my lifetime.

Posted by: Methos at February 26, 2013 06:01 PM (hO9ad)

319 "all the GOP cares about is taxes for the rich"Who else pays state/federal income taxes?

----

Jess, not my point. Obama has created this perception that all the GOP cares about is taxes for the rich. The GOP supports this perception by only putting up a fight on taxes. It might be nice if they fought for some other issues the same way.

I want them to fight for lower taxes, but there are also many other things I wish they would fight on. But you know, maybe Obama is right, that's all they care about.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:02 PM (gmeXX)

320 Fuck you andrew. I don't care if you anti-semitc, but your just stupid and boring and I'm in no mood for that shit now

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 06:02 PM (9Bj8R)

321 313

So it's all kabuki then, huh, Rand? You want answers, don't get them, but vote for him anyway, because it's the Preznit's perogative. Couldn't you have just stayed home at that rate?

Posted by: zsasz at February 26, 2013 06:02 PM (MMC8r)

322 "Now when I walk into and Military Building not only do I have to see obama's arrogant mug but hagel's anti-semitic stupid null void eyes"

Please cite one thing Hagel said that is racist against Jews.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:02 PM (HS3dy)

323 That's Secretary of Hatin' the Jooos to you, citizen
Posted by: Secretary Hagel at February 26, 2013 06:01 PM (eyJh9)


That's LCDR to you asshole

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 06:02 PM (9Bj8R)

324 It is better to have loved and lost, but it is great to hate and win

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 26, 2013 06:02 PM (R8hU8)

325 sniff snif? Something stinks here

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 06:03 PM (9Bj8R)

326 3) It isn't the place of the Senate to block nominees based on politics. This has never happened.

*spins in grave*

Posted by: Robert Bork at February 26, 2013 06:03 PM (hO9ad)

327 It isn't the place of the Senate to block nominees based on politics. This has never happened.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: Zombie Robert Bork at February 26, 2013 06:03 PM (MMC8r)

328 Report: Hezbollah Leader Hasan Nasrallah Has Cancer, Flown To Iran For Treatment After His Condition Deteriorates…



Feel good story of the day.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 06:03 PM (9Bj8R)

329 301 HoboJerky,

Yeah putting a retatrd in charge of DoD who is going to not think once on how to hurt Obama like the donks did Bush and basically kill Israel...

yeah you know what I don't give a fuck if Rand Paul is hercules on domestic toilet flow...

DoD is sorta more important bud.

Not gonna slash the wrists I said when Hagel was named that I was watching rand and Cruz...

I know who to back now you make your choice my mind is made up.

Rand buddy...

you have a negative fan I am backing your challenger donk or republican.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:03 PM (LRFds)

330 It isn't the place of the Senate to block nominees based on politics. This has never happened.

---

This is just patently untrue. Regardless, everything is political - everything.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:04 PM (gmeXX)

331 3) It isn't the place of the Senate to block nominees based on politics. This has never happened.
Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:00 PM (HS3dy)

________

Would you like to borrow a qualifying clause?

Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 06:04 PM (r2PLg)

332 If only saves one child, it's all worth it.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 26, 2013 06:05 PM (AWmfW)

333 marauding Asshats,

Wish the Koch brothers would buy them 5 row houses in Georgetown with 10-12 Gran Torinos and unlimited buying power at the packy.

Posted by: madamex at February 26, 2013 06:05 PM (+kvQd)

334 "Fuck you andrew. I don't care if you anti-semitc, but your just stupid and boring and I'm in no mood for that shit now"

An eloquent argument to be sure. I guess that's what bothered you about Hagel, he was boring. Chanting "death to muslims" would have been much more interesting.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:06 PM (HS3dy)

335 Obama is acting despotically. Like some sort of despot...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 26, 2013 06:06 PM (kYKEk)

336 Let's nominate Christie! errr I mean Rubio! errr I mean Jindal!... errr I mean...
Posted by: Circular Flaggelation Squad at February 26, 2013 05:58 PM (xAtAj)

I don't think either Rubio or Jindal belong on the same list with Christie. No, I don't agree with Rubio's stand on immigration reform but I give him credit for taking a risky, unpopular position. It shows a willingness to throw the dice, to take a chance, and I like that in a leader.And Jindal? Jindal has shown solid leadership and has governed effectively in Louisiana, a place where good governance and effective leadershiphave traditionally beenalien concepts.

Christie thinks he's cementing his hold on the moderate, Rockefellerwing of the GOP, which has produced every GOP presidential candidate since Bush the Elder. His plan is evidently to attract crossover moderate Democrats and independents. Of course, that's Hillary's plan too, and she'll have the liberal base strongly behind her. The GOP conservative base won't go anywhere near Christie.

Posted by: troyriser at February 26, 2013 06:06 PM (vtiE6)

337 331
3) It isn't the place of the Senate to block nominees based on politics. This has never happened.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:00 PM (HS3dy)


Sorry Rand this time it's not about politics, it's about the safety of the nation.... You just helped put in one of the most incompetent nominees for DOD in history... How about that Rand...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 26, 2013 06:06 PM (9+ccr)

338 It isn't the place of the Senate to block nominees based on politics. This has never happened.


Heh. Revisionist history on the fly. Heh.

Posted by: The 3 million who stayed home at February 26, 2013 06:06 PM (vbh31)

339
My bolt action .222 is looking pretty good right now as far as ammo availability. Sometimes it is nice to have an "obsolete" firearm.

Posted by: jj at February 26, 2013 06:06 PM (gWO5X)

340 The HQ is having its fit.

The same HQ that ended up supporting Juan, and Mitt.

The Outrage Squad will probably line up for Jeb if it comes to it, much less Rand.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 06:07 PM (xAtAj)

341
"It is better to have loved and lost, but it is great to hate and win"

Obama and Hagel's motto.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 26, 2013 06:07 PM (1Y+hH)

342 334 Blandrew,

Yeah Blandy....

he's his dad's son...'nuff said.

I did backflips to give him every opportunity to not be.

Your pap on "not the job to block nominees based on politics..."

congrats that retarded bullshit is Bidenesque dude you have a gift.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:07 PM (LRFds)

343 An eloquent argument to be sure. I guess that's what bothered you about Hagel, he was boring. Chanting "death to muslims" would have been much more interesting.
Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:06 PM (HS3dy)

_____________

Andrew did you watch the hearings?

Also can you state what Hagel stated was or was not our policy on containment in regards to Iran?

Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 06:07 PM (r2PLg)

344 It's like negotiating with hostage takers.

Posted by: JohnJ at February 26, 2013 06:07 PM (na+UZ)

345 Then again, Obama is a shrewd politician (as far as politicking goes).



Multiple dogs. One stone.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 26, 2013 06:08 PM (kYKEk)

346 The same HQ that ended up supporting Juan, and Mitt.

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Well yes, given the choice between Obama and those, the HQ choose the sane option. I'm not sure I get your point.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:08 PM (gmeXX)

347 Also can you state what Hagel stated was or was not our policy on containment in regards to Iran?
Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 06:07 PM (r2PLg)

Only if you can remotely control Levin's mouth since he had to correct hagel 3 times and that dope still does not get it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 06:08 PM (9Bj8R)

348 340 Hobojerky,

want to bet?

Rand is about half a donut from being in Christie land with me you want to take a bet on whether or not I'll back Krispy Kreme?

I'll put it this way...not even if van Jones is the donk nominee, further I will fund the donk if the GOP insists on getting its tard on a third time...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:09 PM (LRFds)

349 "This is just patently untrue. Regardless, everything is political - everything."

Where is the precedent? If that were the case then most nominations since the time of Washington would have been huge filibuster fights. As all the press indicates, this is unprecedented. That's the meaning of the word btw, a precedent doesn't exist.

If nominations are supposed to be treated like mini elections then clearly Congress doesn't understand this.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:09 PM (HS3dy)

350 Only if you can remotely control Levin's mouth since he had to correct hagel 3 times and that dope still does not get it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 06:08 PM (9Bj8R)

________________

Ya--I got dizzy just typing that trick question up for Andrew.

Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 06:09 PM (r2PLg)

351
"It isn't the place of the Senate to block nominees based on politics. This has never happened."
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Well, knock me over with a feather....

Posted by: Robert Bork at February 26, 2013 06:10 PM (1Y+hH)

352 346 SH,

he thinks it is theater on my end...

go on ahead and take that bet GOP....

nominate another limp wristed NE RiNO or let Luap Nor kult win....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:10 PM (LRFds)

353 Ya--I got dizzy just typing that trick question up for Andrew.
Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 06:09 PM (r2PLg)


Don't feed the trolls

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 06:10 PM (9Bj8R)

354 I like that twit.pic Jones.

Posted by: Infidel at February 26, 2013 06:10 PM (O/fK8)

355 Well yes, given the choice between Obama and those, the HQ choose the sane option. I'm not sure I get your point.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:08 PM (gmeXX)

I'm just chuckling over the Pure Horror and how he's simply Just Like His Dad over this and a Jew Hater. Yeah.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 06:10 PM (xAtAj)

356 Tobacco Road, we may need a bigger barrel and more food.

Things are spinning quicker than oh a neutron star and some of the commentators have the same density.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 26, 2013 06:11 PM (xopQc)

357 Andrew-

True or False?

During the hearings did Hagel make the statement--

I don't have the facts behind me.

Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 06:11 PM (r2PLg)

358 Guess what: Jindal, Cruz, Jeb, ??? are simply going to make you commit suicide if this is how bad this is.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 06:11 PM (xAtAj)

359 Robert Bork, John Bolton, the secretary of interior who was filibustered for some reason.

I don't think precedent means what you think it means.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:12 PM (gmeXX)

360 If nominations are supposed to be treated like mini elections then clearly Congress doesn't understand this.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:09 PM (HS3dy)

What part of incompetent boob don't you get? The man is a walking disaster.Screw the "nominees" are never voted down. For fuck sakes Hagel is a menace...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 26, 2013 06:12 PM (9+ccr)

361

4 Democrats voted against Hagel, but Rand Paul voted for him. Was Rand just putting on a show, and he really likes Hagel, like Ron probably does?

Posted by: Meremortal at February 26, 2013 06:12 PM (1Y+hH)

362 349 Andrew,

Robert Bork,
Miguel Estrada,
uh about 100 empty judicial positions in the Bush era all say 'fuck you"....

John Bolton ring a bell Blandy?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:13 PM (LRFds)

363 Wish the Koch brothers would buy them 5 row houses in Georgetown with 10-12 Gran Torinos and unlimited buying power at the packy.

There is a local theatre here that does a Tuesday night "Dinner and a Movie." If yougrab dinner at a local downtown eatery you get 2 free tickets to the movie. Tonight is Gran Torino. Four of us are going.

Posted by: Infidel at February 26, 2013 06:13 PM (O/fK8)

364 361

4 Democrats voted against Hagel, but Rand Paul voted for him. Was Rand just putting on a show, and he really likes Hagel, like Ron probably does?
Posted by: Meremortal at February 26, 2013 06:12 PM (1Y+hH)

____________

wow.

Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 06:13 PM (r2PLg)

365 281 @257

Thats pretty good. I know Academy sells thier own brand too, as well as the new manufacture wolf and tula.
Best to stock up now.

Agreed. Ammo is in ever shorter supply here in GA,I assume it's the same elsewhere. What do you all recommend for an in expensive (used) long gun? I've been lurking on GunBroker looking at a few of the Mosins. (I know, it's not a gun thread, YET!)

Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at February 26, 2013 06:13 PM (5lVZz)

366 4 Democrats voted against Hagel, but Rand Paul voted for him. Was Rand just putting on a show, and he really likes Hagel, like Ron probably does?
Posted by: Meremortal at February 26, 2013 06:12 PM (1Y+hH)

4 dems against hagel??? Are you sure? I don't think so? which ones? 4 R's vote for him. With 54 Dems in the Senate that brings it to the 58 votes hagel got?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 06:14 PM (9Bj8R)

367
2) There is nothing wrong with Hagel as a nominee. The only complaint brought against Hagel is that he isn't anti-Muslim. In case you hadn't noticed, we're broke, we can't afford to finance the state of Israel any longer.

Blows my mind that with all the shit going on we are clinging to this issue. Let the country be absolutely ruined financially but let's take a stand on
bankrolling a foreign country. Asinine.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:00 PM (HS3dy)




BRB - Kristallnachting

Posted by: Andrew....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 26, 2013 06:14 PM (kdS6q)

368 355 HoboJerky,

he joined his dad in not backing Mitt, he loves him some anti-semite just like dear old dad evidently...

it is okay...like I said all year..."we'll see who you are rand" and he has not impressed me once.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:14 PM (LRFds)

369 HJ - I won't completely turn on Rand like some. Rand can serve a purpose, but I think this definitely hurt Rand at the national level. Regardless of this vote, he is still far better than many Senators. But it will be difficult for me to support him for President. He has shown me what his true national defense colors are, and I don't like them.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:15 PM (gmeXX)

370 I just checked vote was almost totally along party lines: All Dems voted for hagel except lautengerg who is mostly dead and did no vote and the 4 R's who defected

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 06:16 PM (9Bj8R)

371 "Andrew did you watch the hearings? "

Not every minute, just the highlight reel.

"Also can you state what Hagel stated was or was not our policy on containment in regards to Iran?"

I know he goofed on that answer. I believe he corrected himself afterwards. Regardless there is no "our policy" on Iran, there is the administration's policy. SECDEF does whatever the hell POTUS orders. Frankly the personal politics of this man don't matter a whit. No more than the personal politics of a member of a military unit. You think everybody in the military agrees with the war on terror? ROFL. I can send you a list of several dozen SEAL buddies of mine (most still on active duty) that have "liked" Ron Paul's FB page.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:16 PM (HS3dy)

372 I'm coming around to that point of view, myself. That said, part of
me admires their lockstep party loyalty. There were Blue Dog Democrats
in red and purple states who knew their vote for Obamacare (and other
votes) woulddamage or even kill their reelection chances, yet they voted
for it, anyway. They fell on their swords rather than follow their own
self-interests.Would to God we had Republican politicians in the US
House and Senate who would stand firm as a body.



No, I'd rather not and I don't admire the tactic at all. As a matter of fact, especially in a case like this, it sickens me.

I would much rather have a Senator or Representative that put the safety and needs of the people above their party. If this was my President letting these criminals free, I would hope to God that some on our side would stand up and object because it is the right and moral thing to do, not sit quiet for the sake of the party.

Posted by: DangerGirl - Assault Female at February 26, 2013 06:17 PM (GrtrJ)

373
Usually a candidatemakes a fool of themselveshas enough sense and dignity to withdraw, so it is somewhat rare to get voted down.


Abe Fortas, John Tower, Chuck Ha....oops.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 26, 2013 06:17 PM (1Y+hH)

374
Big mistake, Rand.

Posted by: rrpjr at February 26, 2013 06:17 PM (/GOwI)

375
4 Democrats voted against Hagel
Posted by: Meremortal



Nope, no Dem nays. Although Lautenberg didn't vote.

Didn't want to miss The Price is Right.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 26, 2013 06:18 PM (kdS6q)

376 Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:15 PM (gmeXX)

That's fine that you feel that way, I don't like Hagel either. But the idea that this is going to hurt Rand in any way is curious. LIV don't know who Hagel is, or even Rand.


Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 06:18 PM (xAtAj)

377 369 SH,

I was being generous in giving him my neutrality.

I loathe his father enough he is my project now and Kentucky is awfully close to Indiana and Ohio....not too far from SC either.

I'm gonna make some calls and find out who has it in for him in the KY Gop and start deciding if there's a primary win or if I have to hold my nose and start using my campaign contributions in a negative way.

Be a good test run for my La Raza plan in the event of amnesty.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:18 PM (LRFds)

378 Rand Paul must be on the Let It Burn train.


That would explain it.


Why bother to fight against Caligula's horse, because if you are successful, you have to fight his dog.

Posted by: blaster at February 26, 2013 06:19 PM (/1U3u)

379 "I just checked vote was almost totally along party lines: All Dems voted for hagel except lautengerg who is mostly dead and did no vote and the 4 R's who defected"

You don't find anything wrong with that?

And how many of those people who voted No also voted in favor of giving the Muslim Brotherhood F16s and tanks?

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:19 PM (HS3dy)

380 Hagel-- Thumbs up from the Really Not Anti-Jew You Guys Paulians.

Posted by: zsasz at February 26, 2013 06:20 PM (MMC8r)

381 Leave it to the Yiddish language to have the perfect word to describe any one of our illustrative Republican leaders...

Potzer.

Definition: A person who's bad at playing chess.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at February 26, 2013 06:20 PM (5SlKF)

382 370 NGU,

when the stakes are highest we'll be at our lowest...

//your friends in the GOP

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:20 PM (LRFds)

383 4 dems against hagel??? Are you sure? I don't think so? which ones? 4 R's vote for him. With 54 Dems in the Senate that brings it to the 58 votes hagel got?Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 06:14 PM (9Bj8R)____ ____ ____ _I read that somewhere a little while ago. Maybe I misread or what I read was in error. I'll look....

Posted by: Meremortal at February 26, 2013 06:20 PM (1Y+hH)

384 But the idea that this is going to hurt Rand in any way is curious.


----

Of course it will hurt Rand. It doesn't mean he will become a nothing, but he has just put a ceiling on himself. Sven is right, Rand was already starting deep in his territory because of who his father was. He needed to go above and beyond, just to get to an even playing field on defense. He has so far failed.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:20 PM (gmeXX)

385 Lots of precedents these days. It would be kind of nice if the Rs committed one.

Posted by: Invictus at February 26, 2013 06:21 PM (OQpzc)

386 Rand Paul did what he did in order to keep his father's true believers behind him. His visit to Israel and his recent statement about coming to Israel's defense if attacked alienated the daylights out of that crowd. Bottom line: if Rand Paul wants to win the GOP nomination in 2016 and--with luck--the general election, he'll absolutely need the in-place organizational network his father's supporters have built over the years.

I believe a Politico reporter did a story on Rand Paul's balancing act a few months ago. I believe it was entitled 'Rand Paul Threads The Needle' or some such thing. You can look it up yourself.

Posted by: troyriser at February 26, 2013 06:21 PM (vtiE6)

387 #PresidentTrelane - a child with great power.

Posted by: DRH at February 26, 2013 06:21 PM (xFoDt)

388 _I read that somewhere a little while ago. Maybe I misread or what I read was in error. I'll look....
Posted by: Meremortal at February 26, 2013 06:20 PM (1Y+hH

I checked the Senate Record- no Dems defect. Lautenberg did not vote. Probably could not get out of bed

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 06:21 PM (9Bj8R)

389
Obama has ICE release illegal immigrants...
Obama has Ray LaHood make the air traffic controllers take unpaid leave....
Obama goes on a 20 city tour to tell about all the military "cuts" that are a coming....

The strategy seems to be.... do painfully obvious things to upset as many taxpayers as possible and stand back saying "see... republicans demonize all this good government that we desperately need"...
... meanwhile tens of thousands of worthless paper pushing government workers in the dept. of ed., state, interior, energy etc etc are given raises and 4 or 6 or 10 percent budget increases to spend...

...and the republican establishment will fight back by sending Rove out to attack the Tea Party on the Sunday morning talk shows. Well played.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at February 26, 2013 06:22 PM (4DD4V)

390 Of course it will hurt Rand. It doesn't mean he will
become a nothing, but he has just put a ceiling on himself. Sven is
right, Rand was already starting deep in his territory because of who
his father was. He needed to go above and beyond, just to get to an even
playing field on defense. He has so far failed.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:20 PM (gmeXX)
Listening. What evidence?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 06:22 PM (xAtAj)

391 384 SH,

correct I hate the democrats b/c they play for marxism on foreign policy...

ie they're weak sisters at hawking US interests...

why would I love Luap Nor kult's addiction to Hopium on defense policy?

There are needed structural and doctrinal alterations at DoD unarguably...

Barko's biodiesel boondoggle at navy for example...

empowering Giggles with Chuck "Gopher" Hagle putting a GOP stamp on the dismantling...

thanks Rand...I knew you wouldn't let me down whichever way you went.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:23 PM (LRFds)

392
Let the country be absolutely ruined financially but let's take a stand on
bankrolling a foreign country. Asinine.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:00 PM (HS3dy)

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That treaty we signed doesn't have an out for being short on money. The tidbit that goes to Israel is lost in the morass of waste. How about we cut the aid to terror states and other countries that hate us first, and stick with the one that is our ally, especially when it comes to intelligence we can't get but they can.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 26, 2013 06:23 PM (1Y+hH)

393 Of course it will hurt Rand. It doesn't mean he will become a nothing, but he has just put a ceiling on himself. Sven is right, Rand was already starting deep in his territory because of who his father was. He needed to go above and beyond, just to get to an even playing field on defense. He has so far failed.
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:20 PM (gmeXX)


Agreed. Only one stalwart is left. She will come from the north, riding a Polar Bear named liberty and swinging the sword of Justice

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 26, 2013 06:23 PM (l86i3)

394 390 HoboJerky,

ask president McCain or Romney....

that evidence.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:24 PM (LRFds)

395 Rand Paul did what he did in order to keep his father's true believers behind him.

----

This is the part I don't understand, why does he want his father's true believers. And wouldn't it be a good thing to lose those people. I thought Rand was that guy, but maybe Sven is right, maybe he isn't.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:24 PM (gmeXX)

396 That treaty we signed doesn't have an out for being
short on money. The tidbit that goes to Israel is lost in the morass of
waste. How about we cut the aid to terror states and other countries
that hate us first, and stick with the one that is our ally, especially
when it comes to intelligence we can't get but they can.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 26, 2013 06:23 PM (1Y+hH)Isn't this Rand's point?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 06:24 PM (xAtAj)

397 Agreed. Only one stalwart is left. She will come from the north, riding a Polar Bear named liberty and swinging the sword of Justice
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 26, 2013 06:23 PM (l86i3)

I must admit that I really like and admire She Who Cannot Be Named.

Posted by: troyriser at February 26, 2013 06:25 PM (vtiE6)

398 Typo in #381... make that "illustrious Republican leaders".

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at February 26, 2013 06:25 PM (VXLdn)

399 that evidence.


Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:24 PM (LRFds)

I'm sorry, evidence that he is anti-national defense.And that point doesn't even make sense. If anything it points the opposite way. McCain and Romney tripped over themselves to support Israel and they lost to Israel-hating Obama.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 06:26 PM (xAtAj)

400 393 OSP,

I wish....I screwed up and let her haters have her career...

another failure on my end...I thought I could buy the unity with her corpse..

Krispy Kreme shows me that too is a one way street....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:26 PM (LRFds)

401 Listening. What evidence?

----

My evidence won't be ready until 2016, but its based onhistory. To win the GOP nomination you have to be strong on Israel. There is a first time for everything, but this will be a red flag in the GOP nomination.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:27 PM (gmeXX)

402 I read an article about two years ago, and can't remember where, that stated the plan for the U. S.. is to islamify the county for control, with a chi com economic system.

Posted by: Mandrill Redass at February 26, 2013 06:27 PM (eEeRy)

403
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 06:21 PM (9Bj8R)


Thanks, my mistake. So this means Rand put himself in a verytiny minority of Republicans who voted for Hagel.

Odd that. Political positioning by Rand Paul? I thought he didn't do that kind of thing.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 26, 2013 06:27 PM (1Y+hH)

404 "I loathe his father enough he is my project now and Kentucky is awfully close to Indiana and Ohio....not too far from SC either. I'm gonna make some calls and find out who has it in for him in the KY Gop and start deciding if there's a primary win or if I have to hold my nose and start using my campaign contributions in a negative way."

It's truly hilarious. It's like your house is literally on fire and the one guy that shows up with the volunteer fire department happens to be a guy who prefers the white sox over the cubs, so you tell him to go fuck himself and your house burns down.

You are truly an idiot.

And you don't even know what you're supposedly standing up for, lol. It's actually funny.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:27 PM (HS3dy)

405 My evidence won't be ready until 2016, but its based
onhistory. To win the GOP nomination you have to be strong on Israel.
There is a first time for everything, but this will be a red flag in the
GOP nomination.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:27 PM (gmeXX)

No I mean what evidence do you have that Rand hates/doesn't support Israel?
Is he cutting aid? No?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 06:27 PM (xAtAj)

406 399 HoboJerky,

Heh try again Champ...

Romney had a lot of folks either dead or sit out or the fraud is so huge that it blows the mind....

McCain almost destroyed the GOP...

I am not playing "hold my nose totally" three in a row....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:28 PM (LRFds)

407 Meanwhile in 1993 that merry band of scoflaws inspired by the Blind Sheik tried to blow up the World Trade Center. That was twenty years ago.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 26, 2013 06:28 PM (xopQc)

408 This is the part I don't understand, why does he want his father's true believers. And wouldn't it be a good thing to lose those people. I thought Rand was that guy, but maybe Sven is right, maybe he isn't.
Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:24 PM (gmeXX)

It's about organization. There's nothing tighter than a Ron Paul state campaign organization anywhere. Properly motivated, Ron Paul supporters would crawl over burning coals and ground glass for his son--as long as his son wasn't seen as a black sheep ready to betray his father's principles.

Posted by: troyriser at February 26, 2013 06:28 PM (vtiE6)

409 >McCain and Romney tripped over themselves to support Israel and they lost to Israel-hating Obama.


I don't think the people that re-elected Obama spent a lot of time thinking about the candidates' views towards Israel

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 26, 2013 06:28 PM (8sCoq)

410 McCain and Romney tripped over themselves to support Israel and they lost to Israel-hating Obama.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 06:26 PM (xAtAj)


Obama never came out and said he hated Israel. He always said he supported Israel, *wink wink nudge nudge* The LIV's which apparently are the majority, don't think he believes that Israel is bad. Hagel came out and said it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 26, 2013 06:29 PM (l86i3)

411 Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:28 PM (LRFds)

I showed your point was completely off base. Not a "nice try".


Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 06:30 PM (xAtAj)

412 I know what I'd like to say should be done. And I know I can't say it. If Obama was a Republican, I'd be cheered and celebrated for saying it.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 26, 2013 06:30 PM (xjpRj)

413 >>>This has never happened.

Bork Bork Bork Bork

Borka Bork Bork Bork

BTW Hagel is at the minimum an incompetent fall guy nominated so that the coming disintegration of the Mideast gets blamed on a Republican. They could have at least held out for a Democrat scapegoat. He was nominated because of party politics, he could have been opposed for the same reason.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Impersonating the Sweedish Chef at February 26, 2013 06:30 PM (0q2P7)

414 I don't think the people that re-elected Obama spent a lot of time thinking about the candidates' views towards Israel


Posted by: Jones in CO at February 26, 2013 06:28 PM (8sCoq)

Exactly. My. Damned. Point.
Whatever mystical tea-leaf reading we are doing here doesn't mean a DAMN THING in 2016.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 06:30 PM (xAtAj)

415 405 HoboJerky,

He has his dad's past....he had an opportunity to burn Obama and make it a one voter....

He did not....so what about "I know lots of nice Jews" Secdef is so compelling AquaBuddah sees him as a needed crossover vote?

I am DONE buying this soft shit GOP "we can't act like Schumer" horseshit....

if the GOP will not punch them in the fucking mouth I can find a more useful thing to do with my money...

like buying a pet rock collection from the 70s for example....

at least then my fingerprints are not on the doom.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:30 PM (LRFds)

416 Isn't this Rand's point?
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 06:24 PM (xAtAj)Sorry, not trying to be obtuse, butI don't understand. If Rand is an Israel supporter, why vote for Hagel? A lot of other Republicans didn't, what was their reasoning? If one wants to avoid the political part, how about voting against him because he's not competent to hold the position, by his own testimony?

Posted by: Meremortal at February 26, 2013 06:31 PM (1Y+hH)

417 New thread.

And Fuck The Pauls.

Posted by: zsasz at February 26, 2013 06:31 PM (MMC8r)

418 Chritina Hedricks break! http://tinyurl.com/d6khsva

Posted by: Ur Welcome at February 26, 2013 06:31 PM (i7B17)

419 411 Hobojerky,

YOU are acting like default position for me has to be 'golly i must prove to Perry mason returns Court of Law standards what an asshole a politicians is" to quit backing the party.

I'm finally about to the point I am gonna start playing a new game.

The Donks unify and act out and get their way...

fuck Rand Paul and John McCain...

if the party won't fight for anything I am just about done fighting for it.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:33 PM (LRFds)

420 They're fucking traitors. This is not "politics as
usual" or "politics of personal destruction," this is "the politics of
eating away the foundation of a free society, sowing discord and
encouraging hatred and division."



Fucking Hell.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 26, 2013 05:33 PM (bxiXv)
Damn straight, and we are left with absolutely no recourse under the current set of circumstances. Is it time to tremble?

Posted by: Derak at February 26, 2013 06:33 PM (lkjWK)

421 "That treaty we signed doesn't have an out for being short on money. The tidbit that goes to Israel is lost in the morass of waste. How about we cut the aid to terror states and other countries that hate us first, and stick with the one that is our ally, especially when it comes to intelligence we can't get but they can."

Did Hagel say he would disobey the orders given to him by the President? What the hell are you talking about, seriously? The whole complaint against Hagel is based on very obscure remarks taken out of context where he said that personally he's against foreign aid and believes Israel gets too much of our attention. What Is The Big Deal? His personal politics have no bearing on whether he will carry out his duties. SECDEF isn't in charge of the state department. SECDEF doesn't decide to go to war or what to do with the military. Congress and POTUS decide these things.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:34 PM (HS3dy)

422 408 TroyRiser,

tell you what Troy...

they can have the GOP.....

no really I'm ready to have a firesale on my little part of it.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:34 PM (LRFds)

423 >>>>It's like your house is literally on fire and the one guy that shows up
with the volunteer fire department happens to be a guy who prefers the
white sox over the cubs, so you tell him to go fuck himself and your
house burns down.

More like gets out the fire hose for my house while spraying all my neighbors with gasoline.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Impersonating the Sweedish Chef at February 26, 2013 06:34 PM (0q2P7)

424

Well yes, given the choice between Obama and those, the HQ choose the sane option. I'm not sure I get your point.

I would have crawled across rusty razor blades to vote for a bucket of moldy rat fuck over Obumbles. I'd do it again.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at February 26, 2013 06:36 PM (eyJh9)

425 Clearly the GOP has a long dark future, our house is way divided. Tossing out probably the best man in the whole US Senate over the issue of his approving a libertarian SECDEF nomination. Geez. Well bring on the 3rd party I guess.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:37 PM (HS3dy)

426 I don't think the people that re-elected Obama spent a lot of time thinking about the candidates' views towards Israel

Just free stuff, baby. Just free stuff...

Posted by: No Information Voters at February 26, 2013 06:37 PM (vbh31)

427 423 MikeTheMoose,

Yup pretty much nails it....I hated his dad and did not trust him at all....his boy acting the part of corky junior?

No problem...

HoboJerky I don't have to have a court case to not back a guy...and since the new cool for Luap Nor and truCon was undermining the ticket I may try that out in 2016 for the first time in my life.

Kos and HuffPo dragged their party left in response to their asskicking.

Someone may want to zap the GOP a memo that for US in theory the left is right....

not left to go join kos...

fuck it I am not using my money to empower the left.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:37 PM (LRFds)

428 I think everyone left, but let me just make a few more comments to no one in particular.

Troy - regarding Paul's organization. Good point. And its not nothing - having a strong organization willing to go to bat for you. I don't think it will convince Sven though. But a good point..

I don't think the people that re-elected Obama spent a lot of time thinking about the candidates' views towards Israel
---
No, but you have to win your nomination first, and the GOP does care.

No I mean what evidence do you have that Rand hates/doesn't support Israel?Is he cutting aid? No?
----
It's all about perception. Here was a guy that basically said the Jews ran state and was friend to Hamas. To the average base voter this is a lot worse than cutting funds to Israel (so long as you are cutting all foreign aid) on the grounds that we need to cut spending. In the end, I think for all the good that Rand did trying to distance himself from his father's positions, he has undercut himself. One step forward, two steps back sort of thing.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:38 PM (gmeXX)

429 424 Sticky Wicket,

I blew about 2/3d a years' wage at my second job to empower a masshole RiNO to hire a guy who doesn't think the media blows Obama.....

I'm gonna find a new hobby.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 06:39 PM (LRFds)

430 Andrew - I prefer Cruz to Paul, but I'm biased, since I'm in Texas and have supported Cruz for a long time.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:40 PM (gmeXX)

431 "More like gets out the fire hose for my house while spraying all my neighbors with gasoline. "

Approving Hagel's nomination is spraying houses with gasoline? Seriously?

Tell me, how will Hagel negatively impact anybody here at home? Is he a closet jihadist? Truly, what craziness is in your mind that this is such a big deal? This nomination is being treated as the most important thing since the election.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:41 PM (HS3dy)

432 Since the sequester was O's idea in the first place, he obviously had this planned all along. It shows once again that the Republicans should say no to anything and everything that comes from this WH. But, they'll never learn. They are too afraid of the media calling them the "party of no" than they are of their constituents wanting them to be just that.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at February 26, 2013 06:43 PM (KL49F)

433 >>>tossing out probably the best man in the whole US Senate

He's showing he has the same dangerous beliefs about foreign policy as his father. Israel will fall, that is clear. Then there will be only the Great Satan left to kill. And no amount of appeasement short of a caliphate will ever stop the tide. Western philosophy will die, and freedom with it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Impersonating the Sweedish Chef at February 26, 2013 06:43 PM (0q2P7)

434 SH, I like Cruz too. I'm also from TX and voted for Cruz. Jury is still out on him though, not going to say he's better than Paul. I found Cruz's line of questioning during the nomination hearing a bit out of line. He seemed like he was lawyering simply for the sake of. But it's definitely not enough of an issue for me to care. Some choose to bow to the Israel lobby, some don't. I just don't think we should burn our whole house down over this issue, it's getting to that point that we're doing severe damage to ourselves. I can live with wasting a few billion a year, we waste far more on other issues, but it's become like our central theme now and that bothers me.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 06:44 PM (HS3dy)

435 several dozen SEAL buddies of mine

Bullshit.

Posted by: Ronster at February 26, 2013 06:49 PM (dBayF)

436 This is a brilliant move by Obama. he knows Republicans hate Hispanics.Obama's goal is to get Republican voters scared of more Hispanics in the streets so they pressure their congressmen to go against sequester.

Obama knows his Republican enemies better than they understand him. Bravo Obama, great move!

Posted by: Obama has Republicans in Check! at February 26, 2013 06:50 PM (UZzdO)

437 Andrew - I don't think we are burning the whole house down over this issue. We are burning it down over many issues. I just wish the fire men who were there to rescue us (the GOP) could show me that they know how to save part of the house. They could do that if they could make a coordinated effort to save the powder room. Now Defense is not the powder room, it is basically the kitchen (or fence) - I've probably strained this metaphor too far.

I don't think Hagel will make much of a difference because ultimately Obama is in control. Far worse to me is the message the GOP has sent. They will not engage in any battle with Obama where the objective is to win. This to me was the doolittle raid. Show the other side, that we will take the battle to them.

So I'm upset with the whole GOP. As for Paul, if he is willing to confirm (and that is what he did) an idiot like Hagel to SecDef it doesn't tell me that he really values the department. If that is unfair, well its his job to convince me, not the other way around.

As for Cruz and his questioning, I only wish we had a few more who were wiling to expose these people for who they truly are.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 06:51 PM (gmeXX)

438 >>>Is he a closet jihadist?

no

>>>Truly, what craziness is in your mind that
this is such a big deal?

He doesn't treat threats from the Mideast seriously. He has no idea what the value of Israel is. Even if Israel hated us (which they don't) they would still be our most valuable asset in the region because they keep the region focused on them. Once the Mideast gets the idea that Israel really is on their own, they will attempt to destroy it.


>>>This nomination is being treated as the most
important thing since the election.

SECDEF is a BFD as Joe Biden would say. Obama has set our side (your side in particular) to take the fall for the implosion of the Mideast, and a Nuclear capable Iran, and likely others before it is all said and done.

Libertarianism which really was our going forward hope will be sorely discredited thanks to it's isolationist elements being naive and unrealistic and therefore will be cast aside after the dust settles. So the good in it will be lost too.

In four years time it will not be "I" who hang this vote around Rand's neck, it will be the American people.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 26, 2013 06:51 PM (0q2P7)

439 433 MikeTheMoose
Bullshit on Rand Paul. He's Pro-Israel, the difference is unlike you Republican con artists, he's against supporting Israel's Islamic enemies.

Republicans really are suckers!

Posted by: Obama has Republicans in Check! at February 26, 2013 06:52 PM (UZzdO)

440 438 MikeTheMoose
You Neocons support Israel's Islamic enemies. So stop with your fake support of Israel.

Posted by: Obama has Republicans in Check! at February 26, 2013 06:53 PM (UZzdO)

441 I'm not a neocon. Go sell that one to someone who actually supported the Iraq war.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 26, 2013 06:59 PM (0q2P7)

442 MtM - I supported the Iraq War, but I have no clue what he is talking about.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 07:01 PM (gmeXX)

443 442 SH,

I think, I suppose that in our not using nukes...

ah fuck it I am running out of crazy to draw on I am just trying to not get out the bitter gatorade to replace it with...

batshit Luap Nor kult is a pain to reverse engineer.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 07:03 PM (LRFds)

444 Of course, I've been accused of being a Paulian on this site because there are many issues in which I consider myself libertarian, even though I was pro-Iraq war, consider myself a so con, and have now shown that I am upset with Rand for confirming Hagel. You can't please everyone I guess.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 07:06 PM (gmeXX)

445 444 SH,

I'm a libertarian on several things...

(l)ibertarian is good

(L)ibertarianELEVENTY! is Luap Nor

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 07:07 PM (LRFds)

446 To paraphrase the Doxology; "As it was in the beginning, it is now and ever shall be---Obama's an asshole."

Posted by: Comanche Voter at February 26, 2013 07:08 PM (oe1aw)

447 Honestly, wouldn't Rand have been better off voting against him and then leading a charge to cut some funding, which he could have sold to voters how seem to only agree on cutting funds for foreign support. Wouldn't that have been the better option to go - for Rand?

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2013 07:12 PM (gmeXX)

448 Oh and to the Luap Nor paultard Obama lover...

what makes you think I am calling my Congresscritter to get 'em to shut down the sequester you hate you're so "fiscal con"?

I for one welcome our new amigos...

I have some nice 158gr semi-wadcutters for a party favor friendo

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 07:13 PM (LRFds)

449 4457 SH,

nah Rand is playing eleventy D chess....

by reminding me he is who he is he is uh *insert step two* to 3) I'll back him...


yeah I'm having a hard time coming up with step two

Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 07:14 PM (LRFds)

450 From what I understand, every major U.S. city is a "sanctuary zone," so where would we get these "illegal immigrants" from?

Also, if O is going to release these "illegal immigrants" from "U.S. detention centers," isn't he admitting that there are "detention centers" here, and if so isn't that some sort of "crime against humanity" that said O should be "prosecute for?"

Posted by: shibumi at February 26, 2013 07:22 PM (z63Tr)

451 "In other words, his message to the GOP is that he'll cut cops and free
prisoners-- all these cuts are coming out of "our" budget, not the
liberals' favorite items."

That comes to an end the moment Barry and/or Michelle take a vacation any place farther than the WH South Lawn.

Posted by: mrp at February 26, 2013 07:30 PM (HjPtV)

452 "He doesn't treat threats from the Mideast seriously."

What is your evidence of this? And specifically what threats?

"He has no idea what the value of Israel is. Even if Israel hated us (which they don't) they would still be our most valuable asset in the region because they keep the region focused on them."

Huh? You've lost me. They are a valuable asset because they keep the region focused on them? WTF does this mean? So for arguments sake let's say Israel (as the modern jewish state) didn't exist, what would things look like? You think that if it weren't for Israel the Islamic door would be sailing across the atlantic to invade our eastern shore?

"Once the Mideast gets the idea that Israel really is on their own, they will attempt to destroy it."

Uh huh. And what makes you think they would succeed? You don't think Israel can defend itself?


"SECDEF is a BFD as Joe Biden would say. Obama has set our side (your side in particular) to take the fall for the implosion of the Mideast, and a Nuclear capable Iran, and likely others before it is all said and done. "

Not sure what argument you're making here. If Iran got a bomb during his second term you think he would blame that on the GOP? That's quite a stretch.

The fear of Iran, I don't get where this comes from. You realize that officially all of our intelligence agencies have said unequivocally that Iran isn't working on a bomb? UN inspectors are all over their facilities and they confirm - no bomb factory. So what special intel do you have access to that proves all these people wrong?

Two, ok, what if they were working on a bomb? Exactly what do you propose to do about it? Have they attacked us? You realize other nations like Russia and China have said they are with Iran? It's like you want to start WW3 in order to prevent what you see as possibly leading to WW3. Iraq and Afghanistan have been rather huge quagmires. Attacking Iran would be like multiplying these by a factor of 10, perhaps worse if the Russians decided to back them militarily. Really gotta manage your expectations. May not want Iran to attain more power, but fact is we simply may not be able to do much about it either.

"Libertarianism which really was our going forward hope will be sorely discredited thanks to it's isolationist elements being naive and unrealistic and therefore will be cast aside after the dust settles. So the good in it will be lost too. "

What isolationist elements? I don't think you understand what isolationism is. Isolationism is North Korea, not Sweden, which is far closer to the kind of foreign policy libertarians would like to see.

"In four years time it will not be "I" who hang this vote around Rand's neck, it will be the American people. "

The American people can't even tell you the difference between the executive and legislative branches of government, they won't even know who Hagel is.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 08:18 PM (HS3dy)

453 The fear of Iran, I don't get where this comes from.

osted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 08:18 PM (HS3dy)

You are such an incredible asshole. Modern-day Libertarians are just like the America Firsters prior to WWII: insular, antisemitic, conspiratorial, and blind to everything but their own fucked-up view of the world.

Iran will have a nuke soon. Too bad for you and your fellow Ron Paul-worshiping pals that nukes don't discriminate between Libertarians and the rest of us benighted souls.

Posted by: troyriser at February 26, 2013 08:35 PM (ptcFO)

454 This has become such a farce.

We've got a tyrant in the whitehouse, yet the media and most of the country has their 'affirmative action' blinders on.

This is where the bigotry of low expectations leads us.

Future generations will laugh at our ignorance for letting this happen right in front of our eyes. My only hope is that the media gets whats coming to them. If they escape from this untarnished then screw everything

Posted by: What a bastard at February 26, 2013 08:37 PM (4pEBT)

455 194
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 26, 2013 05:31 PM (C8mVl) ------ This was in the New York Times McClatchey news today.

Posted by: Baldy at February 26, 2013 08:40 PM (opS9C)

456 I want film at 11 of the Visigoths pouring over the border Saturday morning. Let the sheeple know what the tyrant is doing to them.

Posted by: PJ at February 26, 2013 11:38 PM (ZWaLo)

457 How much more until we take to the streets and demand his resignation? When?


Posted by: AgentLobos at February 27, 2013 03:11 AM (GU4jm)

458 This idea isn't any thing new. First Fidel Castro, then Suddam Hussein tried this. Two of Obama's great heros.

Posted by: burt at February 27, 2013 01:22 PM (/QJXp)

459 Hey, everyone! The truth about ICE ERO Executive Associate Director Gary Mead's "resignation/retirement" is that he retired two years ago. Not kidding here. He retired as a member of the Senior Executive Service and then was quietly brought back by the Obama Administration to the exact same position with ICE as what's known as a "rehired annuitant." Rehired annuitants have a statutory limit of two years' service, but they get to "double dip" by drawing their full retirement without penalty and a federal salary. Gary Mead had hit that limit. He did not "retire" or "resign." He just reached the legal cap on double dipping.

Posted by: Manolo at February 27, 2013 10:11 PM (PttbO)






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Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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