Enemy of the State

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Arrested.

What was his crime?

Rape? Murder? Home invasion? Defrauding 10,000 people in a pyramid scheme?

Worse: As a romantic gesture, he released a dozen helium-filled mylar Valentine's Day balloons with his girlfriend.

No really.

This man is now a criminal charged with releasing Valentine's Day balloons in an effort to please his girlfriend.

Also watching the romantic gesture: an FHP trooper, who instead noted probable cause for an environmental crime.

Brasfield was charged with polluting to harm humans, animals, plants, etc. under the Florida Air and Water Pollution Control Act.

Let me say something that was very obvious, and served as the backbone of criminal law, up until 25 years ago, when the Marxists, who understand nothing of human nature (and are quite proud of that) began destroying this country:

A criminal code must track with the basic human sense of right and wrong. The law has a make-'em-up rule to prevent people from saying "I didn't know there was a law against this" (ignorance of the law is no defense, it goes), but that's a stupid ass stopgap the law requires to function at all.

Before 25-30 years ago, most people had a sense of what the law was, without having to go to law school, because they understood, intuitively, that some things were bad. Mala in se, the law calls it -- "bad in itself."

But the criminal codes have proliferated mala prohibata offenses -- "bad just because the law has prohibited it" -- like evil freedom-eating Tribbles for 30 years.

Do you know what you are currently permitted to do? Do you know what you will face a criminal penalty for doing?

You don't. None of us are aware of the myriad laws we're breaking every day, simply by doing things that seem obviously legal but some vicious Marxist bureaucrat somewhere decided to put you in jail for.

And this state of affairs works out perfectly for the Marxists.

30 years ago, you'd just assume that anything that wasn't obviously contrary to morality was legal. That is, you'd have a built-in default setting of assuming liberty. And that assumption of liberty would then propel you to take actions.

But now, you have to assume that many things that aren't contrary to morality are illegal anyway. And so you now have -- quel coincidence! -- a built-in default setting of assuming prohibition. And that assumption that many of the things you'd like to do are illegal and criminal thereby reduces your desire to take any action at all.

You become docile, unmotivated, compliant, and risk-averse.

And this state of affairs works out perfectly for those who would control you. Only half the things you'd like to do are actually criminal, but you assume the rest might be too, thus putting it in your head you need State Permission to take virtually any action besides going to work and, of course, paying the state its dues.

Life Imitates Art: I barely remember, but wasn't Winston Smith's actual crime in 1984 loving Julia?

Let's just cut to the endgame and issue people their Sleep Pills, Work Pills, and Sex Pills, and at all other times dose them with libido-reducing sedatives. So that everyone is nicely compliant and in perpetually peaceful service to the State.


Posted by: Ace at 02:17 PM



Comments

1 Take me away, officer.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 02:18 PM (QupBk)

2 Double middle finger salute to the FHP

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 26, 2013 02:19 PM (FIDMq)

3 Awwwwww.

Jeebus--poor guy.

Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 02:19 PM (r2PLg)

4 If the jackass FHP just stood there watching and did not try to stop him, isn't he an accomplice to the crime?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 02:20 PM (9Bj8R)

5 Should I read the article to see if there was any actual evidence? I have an image of the po-po chasing the balloons all over the county.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 02:20 PM (QupBk)

6 The San Angeles of Demolition Man is here.

Posted by: Y-not at February 26, 2013 02:20 PM (5H6zj)

7 We don't recycle. I'm sure that's somehow a felony as well.

Posted by: DangerGirl - Stop this thing, I want off at February 26, 2013 02:20 PM (yhPOh)

8 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 02:21 PM (xN73L)

9 Marxists are intrinsically evil. They choose that path.

Tribbles just eat themselves out of house and home.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 26, 2013 02:21 PM (2HjDP)

10
I thought that the Dems loved Mylar.
They used all that mylar confetti at their convention.

Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 02:21 PM (eyJSG)

11 Watch out for your cornhole, bud

Posted by: Lawrence at February 26, 2013 02:21 PM (84pE9)

12 Horse.

Sofa cushion.

Engine block.

Vacuum cleaner attachment.

And now...balloons.

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 02:21 PM (GQ8sn)

13 And it kills the entrepreneurial spirit. It attack individuals for sure, but try starting up a business in this climate with a plethora of agencies that you need to stay in compliance with. That's a feature, not a bug, to the statists of course.

Posted by: Dave S. at February 26, 2013 02:22 PM (d4o2E)

14 Poor guy, at least he can smile about this turn of events.

Posted by: L, elle at February 26, 2013 02:22 PM (0PiQ4)

15 If the jackass FHP just stood there watching and did not try to stop him, isn't he an accomplice to the crime?

Nope. Strangely enough, LEOs have no duty to stop an active crime. Not even to save human lives. They can just sit and watch, then come arrest the perpetrator later.

Yes. Really.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 02:22 PM (xN73L)

16 Horse.

Sofa cushion.

Engine block.

Vacuum cleaner attachment.

And now...balloons.


No love for me?

Posted by: a ripe melon at February 26, 2013 02:22 PM (QupBk)

17 When everybody's a criminal everybody's in jail.

Posted by: Things Twain May or May Not Have Said at February 26, 2013 02:22 PM (RD7QR)

18 If I were a lawyer, I'd take his case pro bono and sift through Florida arrest records to see how many white people were arrested for this "crime." Just sayin'. Because somehow I'm not convinced they're going around to kiddie birthday parties in the 'burbs arresting soccer moms for this.

Posted by: Y-not at February 26, 2013 02:23 PM (5H6zj)

19 Illegal aliens: Sorry, just can't afford to detain 'em.
Romantic Mylar Baloon Releaser: Book him, Dano!

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2013 02:23 PM (is6Me)

20 Dorner wouldn't take that shit.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 26, 2013 02:23 PM (l86i3)

21
This is the Republicans fault. They invented Mylar.

Posted by: King Clusterfuq pulls out his WeaponsGradeBlame-thrower at February 26, 2013 02:24 PM (eyJSG)

22 7 We don't recycle. I'm sure that's somehow a felony as well.
Posted by: DangerGirl - Stop this thing, I want off at February 26, 2013 02:20 PM (yhPOh)

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Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 02:24 PM (r2PLg)

23 Were these automatic or semi-automatic balloons?

Posted by: USA at February 26, 2013 02:24 PM (RIg+t)

24 Don't you feel like we're living in Bizzaro world?

Posted by: DangerGirl - Stop this thing, I want off at February 26, 2013 02:24 PM (yhPOh)

25 You are spot-on, Ace.

The spirit of the law has been so debased and twisted by the Marxists in power that soon, the simple act of breathing without Official State Permission will be illegal. Instapundit has been pointing this out lately, and somebody else (whose name escapes me at the moment) has a book out about the average American committing three felonies a day.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 26, 2013 02:24 PM (+z4pE)

26 Oh shit, I threw my plastic frozen dinner dish in the regular non-recycle trash can. [Looks over shoulder, frantically gathers belongings]

Posted by: joncelli at February 26, 2013 02:24 PM (RD7QR)

27 That SUCKS. The poor guy.

Geez, what next? Are they finally going to outlaw throwing rice at weddings because of the poor widdle birdies? (And I say that as a bird lover)

Hey, here's a question: littering. Do you consider it "littering" to throw a banana peel or apple core out the window of your car, or into the woods? I don't. The way I see it, if it's something that I'd otherwise toss on a compost heap it's not litter. But I did that in front of my sister one day -- chucked a banana peel out the window into the brush at the side of the road -- and she said, "You shouldn't do that! That's littering!" And no, my sister is not a pearl-clutching lib by any stretch of the imagination.

So what do y'all think? Littering, yay or nay? And just FYI, I always make sure to avoid throwing such things onto a person's private property. There's plenty of ditches and weed-choked culverts along the roadside on public land here in NH.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 02:24 PM (4df7R)

28 I guess I should thank my lucky stars that I haven't been busted for my lifetime of crimes committed with Mylar.

Posted by: L, elle at February 26, 2013 02:25 PM (0PiQ4)

29 It's said that every American commits X (I think it's 3) Felonies every day.

The law is supposed to be a way to protect our liberty from those who want to take it. It has become a way for one group to steal our liberty in the guise of protecting it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 02:25 PM (xN73L)

30 Cheeze it! It's the trash police!

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 02:25 PM (QupBk)

31 Don't you feel like we're living in Bizzaro world?
Posted by: DangerGirl - Stop this thing, I want off at February 26, 2013 02:24 PM (yhPOh)

Ever since Nov 2008

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 02:25 PM (9Bj8R)

32 23 Were these automatic or semi-automatic balloons?
Posted by: USA at February 26, 2013 02:24 PM (RIg+t)

They were assault mylar.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 02:25 PM (t06LC)

33 28
I guess I should thank my lucky stars that I haven't been busted for my lifetime of crimes committed with Mylar.

Posted by: L, elle at February 26, 2013 02:25 PM (0PiQ4)

Pics or it didn't happen.

Posted by: joncelli at February 26, 2013 02:25 PM (RD7QR)

34 Assault balloons.

Posted by: DangerGirl - Stop this thing, I want off at February 26, 2013 02:25 PM (yhPOh)

35 I'm glad we have no problems left in this country so we can now focus on arresting people for innocent expressions of love.

Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 02:25 PM (+xmn4)

36 This guy woukd never had made the cut in hiring at MF Global.

Posted by: Jon Corzine at February 26, 2013 02:25 PM (B5y+v)

37 Hey, here's a question: littering. Do you consider it "littering" to throw a banana peel or apple core out the window of your car, or into the woods? I don't. The way I see it, if it's something that I'd otherwise toss on a compost heap it's not litter.
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If you wouldn't feel cool tossing it on your neighbor's lawn, it's litter.

So, yeah, to me a banana peel is litter.

Posted by: Y-not at February 26, 2013 02:26 PM (5H6zj)

38 Horse.
Sofa cushion.
Engine block.
Vacuum cleaner attachment.
And now...balloons.
Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 02:21 PM (GQ8sn)



What are things that have been used for sexual gratification, Alex?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 02:26 PM (4df7R)

39 Another reason why my personal opinion is that this country is fucked beyond any hope of redemption.

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 26, 2013 02:26 PM (qeTzs)

40 Taze him!!!
Taze the mofo!!!!

Just because that was a really cool romantic idea and I'm jealous I never thought if it

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 26, 2013 02:26 PM (HcEdR)

41 thus putting it in your head you need State Permission to take virtually any action besides going to work and, of course, paying the state its dues.

And at the core that's what it's really about, milking cash out of a populace without taxes to fund a bureaucracy that is never sated.


Posted by: kbdabear at February 26, 2013 02:26 PM (mCvL4)

42 Obviously Booosh's fault, amiright? I mean, there is a Bush down there in Florida who holds some kind of office, right?

But even if not, Booooosh.

Posted by: LowInfoVoters at February 26, 2013 02:26 PM (7ObY1)

43 Littering, yay or nay?

Nay. But it does attract animals to the highway for the squishing, if one were concerned about such things.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 02:26 PM (QupBk)

44 We got this...

blam blam boom boom boom blam blam

Posted by: LAPD at February 26, 2013 02:26 PM (rdy8w)

45 You see Ace, that is why I don't give a rat's ass about legality. I just don't give a fuck if I break the law. I break the law willingly and at will, because the law is an ass. I don't wear seatbelts, because the law tells me I must. I am concerned with justice, and I do obey laws that have a righteous reason. But shit like the 55 mph speed limit means nothing to me. Politically correct laws are especially satisfying to break. When the law is there to control me, and for no other reason, I feel no obligation, morally or ethically to respect it.

Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 02:26 PM (OlN4e)

Posted by: kbdabear at February 26, 2013 02:27 PM (mCvL4)

47 I'd like to suggest this young man use TurboTax and avoid any further run-ins with the law.

Posted by: Tim Geithner at February 26, 2013 02:27 PM (B5y+v)

48 Hey, we're in Italics-land!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 26, 2013 02:27 PM (7ObY1)

49 dammit

Barrel.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 02:27 PM (QupBk)

50 Florida - proving once again that lack of a state income tax isn't a priority concern when deciding where to move.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 26, 2013 02:27 PM (yCvxi)

51 It wasn't me. Woot!

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 02:27 PM (QupBk)

52 So what do y'all think? Littering, yay or nay? And just FYI, I always
make sure to avoid throwing such things onto a person's private
property.


No, I don't think it should be considered littering.

Yes, I think it would be in the eyes of the law.

Which is almost exactly what we're discussing here.

Someone needs to post that quote from Atlas Shrugged about the Government wanting people not to be able to comply with the law. It seems appropriate.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 02:27 PM (xN73L)

53 It used to be if you told a cop the truth he might let you go with just a warning. No more, they follow that line in the Miranda warning

"Anything you say or do may be used against you in a court of law." To the effing letter.

I used to laugh at the guys on Cop's that would lie even though they knew they had been filmed doing the crime. SO criminals have the knowledge to never tell a cop anything. Some poor sclub that never had any interaction with the modern police will get nailed.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 26, 2013 02:27 PM (81UWZ)

54 This man is now a criminal charged with releasing Valentine's Day balloons in an effort to please his girlfriend.


See?!?!? SEE?!?!?

All you 'ettes out there, pay attention! Us morons will now be subject to arrest if we try and please you. You're just gonna have to accept disappointment from now on. No more balloons, flowers, candy, or presents anymore.

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 02:27 PM (GQ8sn)

55 OBAMA: 'YOU CAN'T DO THINGS BY YOURSELF'

I guess it doesn't masturbate much?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 02:27 PM (9Bj8R)

56 America's Most Wanted:

http://tinyurl.com/b64g3c7

Posted by: USA at February 26, 2013 02:27 PM (RIg+t)

57 >>Do you consider it "littering" to throw a banana peel or apple core out the window of your car, or into the woods?

I used to think it was funny until I tripped on one and lost an eye.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 26, 2013 02:28 PM (SUKHu)

58 He looks guilty of something....... he looks black.

Posted by: NBC Editing Department at February 26, 2013 02:28 PM (jucos)

59 MWR my church doesn't allow rice throwing bc it makes the birds stomachs explode or something. The last wedding I attended everyone blew bubbles as the bride and groom left the church.

Also, I apply the same standard to food waste. Out the window!

Posted by: L, elle at February 26, 2013 02:28 PM (0PiQ4)

60 This guy looks guilty of of a serious environmental crime to me!

Posted by: Richard Winthrop at February 26, 2013 02:28 PM (B5y+v)

61 But shit like the 55 mph speed limit means nothing to me.


Yeah, I used to be the same way till I got two tickets in the same town within 18 months. 300.00 in fines and 50.00 for driving school later, I've decided to do my civil disobeyin' in other ways.

Now if I may be excused, I have a spliff to smoke.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 26, 2013 02:28 PM (7ObY1)

62 Posted by: kbdabear at February 26, 2013 02:26 PM

Anyone usin' italics will close those italics. Anyone usin' italics who doesn't close 'em will spend the night in The Barrel


Posted by: Carr the Threadwalker at February 26, 2013 02:28 PM (mCvL4)

63 "Environmental crime" Seriously...

Posted by: DangerGirl - Stop this thing, I want off at February 26, 2013 02:29 PM (yhPOh)

64 34 Assault balloons.
Posted by: DangerGirl - Stop this thing, I want off at February 26, 2013 02:25 PM (yhPOh)

Zes is good. How does zis "assault balloon" work?

Posted by: Baron Von Zeppllin at February 26, 2013 02:29 PM (t06LC)

65 that's a lotta Marxists

Posted by: JDP at February 26, 2013 02:29 PM (60GaT)

66 We don't recycle. I'm sure that's somehow a felony as well.

In Phoenix, we're supposed to have a dark green can for regular trash and a blue one for recycling. For some reason, the previous owner had two green cans, and no blue ones. I haven't called the city to trade one out, because it's awfully darn convenient on yard-cleanup weekends to have two for regular trash. So, fuck it.

I've always been waiting for the knock on my door, because of the lib jerkoffs who live next door. Now, they're moving, so I think I'm in the clear!

Posted by: jakeman at February 26, 2013 02:29 PM (96M6e)

67 I advise this guy to stonewall. It works!

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at February 26, 2013 02:29 PM (B5y+v)

68 I used to think it was funny until I tripped on one and lost an eye.
Posted by: Mama AJ at February 26, 2013 02:28 PM (SUKHu)


I shouldn't laugh, and yet... *suppresses giggle!*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 02:29 PM (4df7R)

69 Composite Sketch of America's Most Wanted:

http://tinyurl.com/bj37ye4

Posted by: USA at February 26, 2013 02:30 PM (RIg+t)

70 I apologize in advance to all the lawyer-types here.

This is a result of lawyers making laws. More laws create the need for more lawyers. The end result is that the law becomes a business, a very lucrative one: more tax money is needed for the system, more facilities to house the offenders, rinse and repeat until there is no freedom left any more.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 26, 2013 02:31 PM (+z4pE)

71 Seriously, legal weed is the greatest victory EVAH for freedom lovers, but releasing balloons is a threat to humanity.


I think I need to go puke.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 26, 2013 02:31 PM (yCvxi)

72 I used to tell my kids that in their lifetime it will be illegal to be Catholic. I've adjusted that up.

Posted by: teh Wind at February 26, 2013 02:31 PM (HBU8E)

73 57 >>Do you consider it "littering" to throw a banana peel or apple core out the window of your car, or into the woods? I used to think it was funny until I tripped on one and lost an eye.
Posted by: Mama AJ at February 26, 2013 02:28 PM (SUKHu)

Our entire family was killed by one of those dangerous "assault bananas" after running off a cliff. Damn you Billy Madison. Damn you.
O'Doyle Rules!

Posted by: O'Doyle family at February 26, 2013 02:31 PM (t06LC)

74 I barely remember, but wasn't Winston Smith's actual crime in 1984 loving Julia?


It was sexual contact. Julia was part of the anti-sex brigade.

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 02:31 PM (GQ8sn)

75 Stonewall? Hell, out and out lying works better! If I can lie to Congress and get away with it, this guy should get away with lying to some stupid local Star Chamber.

Posted by: Jack Lew at February 26, 2013 02:31 PM (B5y+v)

76 I think I have your eye, Mama AJ. Can you describe it? Was it a left eye or a right eye?

Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 02:32 PM (OlN4e)

77 WTF? Releasing balloons full of chloroform is my go to move.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 26, 2013 02:32 PM (w+Dvf)

78 I cannot be the only person who presumes that releasing the balloons is simply the only thing the officer could think to charge him with when all of the other presumptions said officer made turned out to be untrue. At least I hope that was the case and the officer wasn't that much of a dickwad.


This is party of Insty's point in his Due Process When Everything's A Crime article. If everything is illegal, then how can there possibly be due process? Which, of course, brings me back to my hobby horse of the delegation doctrine. When agencies are given the authority to make regulations which have the full effect of criminal law without there being the full legislative process, due process is a complete and utter joke.

Don't forget the rise of no fault laws, such as the one at question. He had no intent to pollute but what he did was criminal without any discussion of mens rea. Releasing the balloons is prohibited because it's prohibited thus you are guilty. That's the truly vicious thing about such laws and regs. There is no defense. Seriously, what's the defense? Other than this is not a prohibited item, there is no defense that is possible.

That then leads to civil forfeiture and now my eye is twitching and arrrggghhh.

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 26, 2013 02:32 PM (VtjlW)

79 If you wouldn't feel cool tossing it on your neighbor's lawn, it's litter.



So, yeah, to me a banana peel is litter.


I disagree.

I would never take a crap in my neighbor's lawn. I've done exactly that in the woods a number of times (as has anyone else who has done much camping).

I would go so far as to allow that throwing such things one the side of a road which has been cultivated (the side, not the road) would be littering- for the same reason it would be littering to throw it in your neighbor's yard. But areas that are not cultivated/cared-for? No, I'm not seeing it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 02:32 PM (xN73L)

80 73 57 >>Do you consider it "littering" to throw a banana peel or apple core out the window of your car, or into the woods? I used to think it was funny until I tripped on one and lost an eye. Posted by: Mama AJ at February 26, 2013 02:28 PM (SUKHu) Our entire family was killed by one of those dangerous "assault bananas" after running off a cliff. Damn you Billy Madison. Damn you. O'Doyle Rules!
Posted by: O'Doyle family at February 26, 2013 02:31 PM (t06LC)

You think thats bad, I can't even count the number of times I've run off into hot magma due to an ill placed "assault banana."

Don't even get me started on "assault turtle shells"

Posted by: King Koopa at February 26, 2013 02:32 PM (t06LC)

81 >>assault bananas

No one needs more than 3 bananas in a bunch.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 26, 2013 02:32 PM (SUKHu)

82 I don't like the looks of this guy. Death!

Posted by: Bill McKibben at February 26, 2013 02:33 PM (B5y+v)

83 So some fucking idiot snail darter MIGHT choke on the thing, somewhere, somehow. We will never know if one does, nor charge him for that, but just the possibility is criminal.

So we have no known damage caused, certainly no intended damage caused, since there was no intent of 'this will kill a fucking snail darter, tee-hee!', but because some moralist insists that there is some effect potential here, liberty goes out the window.

Notice how this is an outgrowth of the regulatory mindset, particularly the mindset of the EPA, that has been teaching us to think this way since its inception.

Posted by: zsasz at February 26, 2013 02:33 PM (MMC8r)

84 The law is a ass.


And may on littering when chucked into a forest. I'm pretty sure that when apples and bananas rot in nature, they fall near trees or something.

Posted by: SARDiver at February 26, 2013 02:33 PM (cFr3V)

85 But Ace.....the turtles man, the turtles!!! Who'll protect the turtles?? What kind of society would we be if our laws didn't protect those unable to protect themselves? Who will speak for the animals? Who will speak for The Earth???

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 26, 2013 02:33 PM (ZAT/c)

86 >>> I break the law willingly and at will, because the law is an ass. I don't wear seatbelts, because the law tells me I must.

Well this is just idiotic. You should wear a seatbelt because the laws of physics tell you that you must.

If you disagree, then I look forward to the consequences of your bold refusal to buckle up the next time you get rear-ended by an inattentive driver on the highway, or t-boned making a left turn, or hit by a drunk.

Actually, I don't look forward to it at all.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 02:33 PM (/COnL)

87 "dose them with libido-reducing sedatives."

Is that a euphemism for naked photos of Helen Thomas?

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 26, 2013 02:33 PM (9H+iJ)

88 Nay on littering.


Damned autocorrect.

Posted by: SARDiver at February 26, 2013 02:33 PM (cFr3V)

89 >>Do you consider it "littering" to throw a banana peel or apple core out the window of your car, or into the woods?

That's very dangerous. Wrecked a car that way

*raises arms in the air*

O'Doyle Rules!

Posted by: The O'Doyle Family at February 26, 2013 02:34 PM (rdy8w)

90 Composite Sketch of America's Most Wanted: http://tinyurl.com/bj37ye4
Posted by: USA at February 26, 2013 02:30 PM (RIg+t)


LOL!

Let's see, what crimes is he committing in that picture:

1) Release of non eco-friendly balloons
2) Public nudity
3) Operating an airborne vehicle without approval from the appropriate licensing authority
4) Failure to file a flight plan (not sure if that's illegal, but why not?)
5) Inciting a riot (for ticking off the bees)
6) Theft (for the honey)
7)Property damage (for the hive)

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 02:34 PM (4df7R)

91 Heritage has been writing about this kind of shit for a while now at their Foundry site. The over-criminalization of everything. And it is not just the legislatures doing this. Departments are making rules to criminalize stuff without any voter input at all.

Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2013 02:34 PM (53z96)

92 Penn Teller Recycling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs60OoMxNmY

Posted by: CUS at February 26, 2013 02:34 PM (84pE9)

93 @70

It took law school to teach me something important. I hate lawyers and most of them.. er us are douche bags.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 02:34 PM (t06LC)

94 I never throw bananna peels in my neighbor's yard. I do encourage my dog to shit there, however.....

Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 02:34 PM (OlN4e)

95 This is like little Traytable was killed all over again.

Posted by: zsasz at February 26, 2013 02:34 PM (MMC8r)

96 Profound and revealing post, Ace. I'd been lamenting this march to unrelenting criminality for several years now, but your hook about it suppressing action by default is quite insightful. And absolutely true.

I hope you'll expand on this train of thought a few more times because it'll be an American albatross for, perhaps, ever if it's not realized by more Americans. Exceptionalism and risk-taking is being killed in the crib.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 26, 2013 02:34 PM (eHIJJ)

97 We don't recycle. I'm sure that's somehow a felony as well.

Posted by: DangerGirl - Stop this thing, I want off at February 26, 2013 02:20 PM (yhPOh)



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That is on the event horizon.

Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 02:24 PM (r2PLg)


One of the municipalities around here is using *gasp* economics to encourage recycling.They made recycling pick up the default included pick up that's "free" (yes I know not actually free, but already included in whatever taxes they pay) then you pay a per bag (or can I guess) trash pickup fee.Of all the ways to approach the issue this is the least egregious.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 26, 2013 02:34 PM (/0Nh2)

98 I'm sure this heinous offense can be ameliorated with a sizeable donation to the Sierra Club and a good, snot-filled cry on Oprah.

Posted by: Jaws at February 26, 2013 02:34 PM (4I3Uo)

99 What sucks is he probably didn't even get laid for that.


Talk about officer Cock Block.

Posted by: eleven at February 26, 2013 02:35 PM (KXm42)

100 79 If you wouldn't feel cool tossing it on your neighbor's lawn, it's litter.

So, yeah, to me a banana peel is litter.

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I disagree.

I would never take a crap in my neighbor's lawn. I've done exactly that in the woods a number of times (as has anyone else who has done much camping).
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Would you take a crap on the sidewalk or in the local park?

I really don't see a distinction between someone littering on my lawn and someone littering on the public park I use. But to me littering is such a lazy act, like using the handicapped parking spaces instead of walking a couple of more feet, that I just don't do it.

Posted by: Y-not at February 26, 2013 02:35 PM (5H6zj)

101 >>Let's just cut to the endgame and issue people their Sleep Pills, Work
Pills, and Sex Pills, and at all other times dose them with
libido-reducing sedatives. So that everyone is nicely compliant and in
perpetually peaceful service to the State.


Or as dudes call it, the perfect marriage.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 26, 2013 02:35 PM (w+Dvf)

102
Only half the things you'd like to do are actually criminal, but you assume the rest might be too, thus putting it in your head you need State Permission to take virtually any action besides going to work and, of course, paying the state its dues.
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But you forgot to note that they also make the dues-paying so complex that a good percentage of the population are also accidental tax-cheats.
Right Tim Geithner?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 26, 2013 02:35 PM (SO2Q8)

103 Amended headline: If David Gregory releases helium-filled mylar balloons, on national TV... is it a crime?

Posted by: creeky at February 26, 2013 02:35 PM (hh+cN)

104 Well this is just idiotic. You should wear a seatbelt because the laws of physics tell you that you must.

And motorcycles should be outlawed, amirite?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (QupBk)

105 There can only be one solution
KILL ALL LAWYERS

(Except T cause she can still rock the boots)

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (DXfAK)

106 If I had a handsome black man make romatic gestures for me, he might look like Reggie. Wait. What?

Posted by: Justice For Trayvon! at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (yn6XZ)

107 There is no defense. Seriously, what's the defense?
Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 26, 2013 02:32 PM (VtjlW)


We could deploy the "no criminal intent" defense reserved for David Gregory, right?No? Not for us?Oh well, off to jail.

Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (+xmn4)

108 and at all other times dose them with libido-reducing sedatives. So that everyone is nicely compliant and in perpetually peaceful service to the State.

But what the Left is actually doing is telling everyone to let their libido run wild, and by the way vote Democrat because Republicans want to Serious You Guys Take Away Teh Sex.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (B/VB5)

109 What sucks is he probably didn't even get laid for that.


You know he will when he gets out. A female comedian made me laugh once when she said, "You haven't lived until you fucked a man fresh out of prison."

lolz

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (GQ8sn)

110 What sucks is he probably didn't even get laid for that.Talk about officer Cock Block.
Posted by: eleven at February 26, 2013 02:35 PM (KXm42)

That's the real crime here "cock blocking"

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (nTgAI)

111 "38 Horse.
Sofa cushion.
Engine block.
Vacuum cleaner attachment.
And now...balloons.
Posted by: EC"

This whole sofa as sex partner thing. Is the sofa the pitcher or the catcher?

Also, haven't these freaks ever heard of a blow-up doll for chrissake?

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (9H+iJ)

112 I think I need to go puke.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 26, 2013 02:31 PM (yCvxi)

Don't. Legal weed is blue states telling the Feds to take their laws and shove them up their ass. I think that is all win.

It beats the learned helplessness that has pervaded sane folks.

Posted by: Invictus at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (OQpzc)

113 >>>This is a result of lawyers making laws. More laws create the need for
more lawyers. The end result is that the law becomes a business, a very
lucrative one: more tax money is needed for the system, more facilities
to house the offenders, rinse and repeat until there is no freedom left
any more.


Speaking as one of those lawyer-types, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Laws like these don't come from attorneys (hell, I'd suspect that many of them don't even get appropriate oversight and review from qualified attorneys before being voted into law). They come from bureaucrats and regulators and activists. In particular, the law which was used to pinch this poor guy reeks of something that came out of an environmental lobbying shop and passed the FL House Speaker's desk during an election-season session of the state legislature.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (/COnL)

114 You think this is bad, comrade? Wait until the EPA puts an emissions cap on your flatulence.

Posted by: Fritz at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (UzPAd)

115
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 02:33 PM (/COnL)




For your information, JeffB, I have survived three serious crashes which include rollover, fire, and totaled vehicles, all without a seat belt. But yeah, I'm kinda tough.

Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (OlN4e)

116 You know how you're supposed to wrap the shoulder harness of the back seat behind a baby car seat? Fuck that; there' barely enough seat belt to do that and our car is so small the seat is hard against the front seat anyway.

Posted by: logprof at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (+iA5G)

117 54....All you 'ettes out there, pay attention! Us morons will now be subject to arrest if we try and please you. You're just gonna have to accept disappointment from now on. No more balloons, flowers, candy, or presents anymore.

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Nice try.
But there are lots of other things that make nice presents at Valentines Day.

Diamonds, Emeralds and Rubies.
Lingerie.
A nice dinner out.

My hubby gave me a new orchid for my collection...and I was thrilled.
He picked it up at Lowes, when he was there buying some tools.

Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 02:37 PM (eyJSG)

118 My first job, at the age of fourteen in 1978, was mainly selling those type of balloons. We did parades and events of all sorts, plus a lot of swap meets when nothing else was going on. (My collection of signed Playboy centerfolds comes from working at the R.G. Canning Custom Car Shows as part of this job.)

I can attest that there always was a lot of trouble associated with losing bunches of those balloons. Especially anywhere near an air traffic control facility. I've never gotten a straight explanation that seemed consistent but a lost bunch of these supposedly creates a false image that is really alarming to those trying to keep aerial stuff from finding each other unexpectedly.

We never got hassled over environmental issues, and considering the expense a large bunch flying free was never intentional (except for that one time one of my co-workers was really pissed at the boss) but we were threatened with some serious fines over things like a descending bunch coming down on a busy freeway or across multiple electrical lines.

Posted by: epobirs at February 26, 2013 02:37 PM (kcfmt)

119 Julia went on to star in the Obama commercials

Posted by: Hobbiehawk at February 26, 2013 02:38 PM (IPGju)

120
It's illegal to release balloons where I live. I thought it was about aircraft safety.

But that's not what this story says. If it were about aircraft safety, that would have been the charge. Instead, it's about protecting endangered frogs and amoebas.

Up to five years for this. Is FL conservative or not?

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at February 26, 2013 02:38 PM (w41GQ)

121 "You haven't lived until you fucked a man fresh out of prison."lolz
Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (GQ8sn)

You should try one still on the inside.

Posted by: Prison Bitch at February 26, 2013 02:38 PM (t06LC)

122 In the first place, there is a National Helium shortage so this was a waste tantamount to insurrection. Second, it was a slap in the face to all same-sex couples that did not do this. Third, they will come down and kill a rare sea creature and pollute the World's oceans so it is actually a crime against Humanity and fourth, he "didn't achieve this on his own" so he dragged America into the muck with him.

He's freaking lucky he wasn't executed on the spot.

Posted by: Daybrother at February 26, 2013 02:38 PM (+paCV)

123 [iOne of the municipalities around here is using *gasp* economics to encourage recycling.They made recycling pick up the default included pick up that's "free" (yes I know not actually free, but already included in whatever taxes they pay) then you pay a per bag (or can I guess) trash pickup fee.Of all the ways to approach the issue this is the least egregious.

My town quit picking up anything but lawn debris for free. Now people just dump furniture and appliances behind my property. Thanks guys.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 02:38 PM (QupBk)

124 Damn, I'm moving to Florida this summer. I hope this kind of crazy shit is not considered "normal" for the Sunshine State.

Posted by: Icedog at February 26, 2013 02:38 PM (9ScGj)

125 Somewhere out there, comrade, is a happy sperm whale with an unobstructed blowhole.

Posted by: Fritz at February 26, 2013 02:39 PM (UzPAd)

126 Memo: Have mylar balloons made in FL. that say "F*ck the FHP" and release then over the everglades.......

Posted by: Knightbrigade at February 26, 2013 02:39 PM (Q76p7)

127 I remember when I was in Elementary school, we did the thing where we tied a postcard with a return address on a balloon and let it go. Whomever got a reply to the postcard from the furthest location won a prize.

Damn good thing they stopped THAT. What the fuck would kids need to do THAT for.

Keeping in mind that the Federal Government is no longer protecting the Bald Eagle and they can go ahead and die to WIND FARMS, it's a fucking good thing kids can't release balloons anymore.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 26, 2013 02:39 PM (xmcEQ)

128 @118: The foil/mylar balloons can indeed cause holy hell with air traffic radar, especially if they're close to the tower.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 26, 2013 02:39 PM (B/VB5)

129 >>>And motorcycles should be outlawed, amirite?

No, but you couldn't pay to me get on one of them for any serious amount of distance. I've (glancingly) encountered some motorcycle accident cases before...they are, hands down, the grisliest road tragedies out there.

Seriously, are you arguing with the premise that it's a bad idea not to wear a seatbelt? Have you seen what happens to a human head when it's propelled through a windshield at high speeds?

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 02:39 PM (/COnL)

130 I really don't see a distinction between someone littering on my lawn and someone littering on the public park I use. But to me littering is such a lazy act, like using the handicapped parking spaces instead of walking a couple of more feet, that I just don't do it.
Posted by: Y-not at February 26, 2013 02:35 PM (5H6zj)


Well that's just it. I wouldn't drop a banana peel or apple core in a public park, or on the sidewalk. Those are well-tended, trafficked areas.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 02:39 PM (4df7R)

131 So what do y'all think? Littering, yay or nay?


Nay.
Worms gotta eat. Same as buzzards.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 02:39 PM (GFM2b)

132
Diamonds, Emeralds and Rubies.
Lingerie.
A nice dinner out.


Sheesh. Next they'll expect orgasms.

Posted by: zsasz at February 26, 2013 02:39 PM (MMC8r)

133 The nation needs to do some "soul searching" over the environmental offenses committed by this love-sick African-American teenager.

If I had a son, he'd look like this young man but, of course, would have been too smart to get caught by a bunch of cracker coppers.

Posted by: President For Life Obama at February 26, 2013 02:40 PM (B5y+v)

134 My hubby gave me a new orchid for my collection...and I was thrilled.
He picked it up at Lowes, when he was there buying some tools.
Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 02:37 PM (eyJSG)
Plucked an orchid out of it's natural Gaian embrace to live the confines of a manmade structure?Class three felony. Off to jail.

Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 02:40 PM (+xmn4)

135 43 Nay. But it does attract animals to the highway for the squishing, if one were concerned about such things.

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On the up side, it does attarct animals to the highway for squishing in jurisdictions that allow one to collect roadkill.

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at February 26, 2013 02:40 PM (NmR1a)

136 I would never take a crap in my neighbor's lawn. I've done exactly that in the woods a number of times (as has anyone else who has done much camping).


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 02:32 PM (xN73L)



You type really really well for a bear.

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 26, 2013 02:40 PM (VtjlW)

137 So some fucking idiot snail darter MIGHT choke on the thing, somewhere, somehow. We will never know if one does, nor charge him for that, but just the possibility is criminal.

Try to count all the laws, rules and regulations that are based upon something which has been shown to be false: Man-caused Climate Change. Also notice that these laws have yet to be repealed, and are costing us billions per year in increased costs.

All for a myth...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 26, 2013 02:40 PM (+z4pE)

138 My double barrel would be perfect for bringing down those !year balloons

Posted by: Crazy Joe Biden at February 26, 2013 02:41 PM (B5y+v)

139 Of all the ways to approach the issue this is the least egregious.

I absolutely disagree. I often (usually) have as much trash that cannot be recycled as stuff that could be (if I were to bother- which I don't). This is a way for the government to stiff me with the bill for the dictates of their own conscience.

If the city wants me to go to the extra effort involved in recycling, the least they can do is not charge me anything (extra) for it. Which is exactly what you're talking about. Actually, your example is worse. Even if I were to recycle I'd pay the fee (see above comment about ratio of "real" trash to recyclables).

If you really want people to recycle, allow private companies to come in to do it. If recycling is really worth anything (hint: it mostly isn't), then those companies will pay you to haul off your recyclables. If it isn't (see above hint), then recycling at the curb will die off and only those who wish to prove their moral superiority will recycle. Which is more or less what happens now.

And, to be clear- I would do the same thing in that municipality you mentioned that I do today. If I'm going to be hit by the fee anyway, I may as well save myself the frustration of separating my garbage.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 02:41 PM (xN73L)

140 But Ace.....the turtles man, the turtles!!!



Mmmmmm. Soup!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 02:41 PM (GFM2b)

141 108
and at all other times dose them with libido-reducing sedatives. So
that everyone is nicely compliant and in perpetually peaceful service to
the State.



But what the Left is actually doing is telling everyone to let their
libido run wild, and by the way vote Democrat because Republicans want
to Serious You Guys Take Away Teh Sex.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (B/VB5)

--Steyn is right when he says sexual libertinism is the distractions liberals use to take away truly meaningful freedoms.

Posted by: logprof at February 26, 2013 02:41 PM (+iA5G)

142 @118

I almost nailed some baloons in a 172 once. I don't think it would have done anything.
Now the genius that decided that it would be cool to skydive at the muni airport and not use calls on UNICOM would have been a different story.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 02:41 PM (t06LC)

143
I remember a comic strip when i was a kid called 'there ought to be a law' that each week took some trivial annoyance and jokingly suggested it should be banned. People seem to have taken that idea too seriously.

Can we start some kind of reverse comic strip just about stupid laws?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 26, 2013 02:41 PM (SO2Q8)

144
Let's just cut to the endgame and issue people their Sleep Pills, Work Pills, and Sex Pills, and at all other times dose them with libido-reducing sedatives.


I was told there would be Orgasmatrons.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 26, 2013 02:41 PM (LVtr+)

145 Unbelievable. Even worse, I'm sure there's some douchebag of a prosecutor that's just itching to make an example of this guy.

Posted by: Andy at February 26, 2013 02:41 PM (C/NnJ)

146
Talking out of turn? That's a felony.
Lookin' out the window? That's a felony.
Staring at my sandals? That's a felony.
Paddlin' the school canoe? Oh, you better believe that's a felony.

Posted by: Officer Jasper at February 26, 2013 02:42 PM (5iuEW)

147 I would love for this guy to sue the state, win a big settlement, buy his girfriend a big engagement ring, and take her on a whirlwind trip through Italy and France. All of this on the stupid state of Florida's/tax payers dime. Sue stupid until it bleeds.
I remember riding in the back seat of my dad's brand new 1963 Chevy Impala as we traveled from MA to CA to my dad's new duty station. No seat belts, mom's smoking away, dad's drinking a beer, and my brother and I are tumbling around the back having a great time.
My parent's would be in jail for that now and my brother and I in foster care.
Statists assholes ruin everything.

Posted by: Cheri at February 26, 2013 02:42 PM (G+Wff)

148 I lived in Japan off-and-on between 1990 and 2010. In much if not most of Japanese sociopolitical life, unless a given act or item is expressly approved (in law and/or social custom) -- or at least acquiesced to -- the default mode is that you must assume it is prohibited, in some cases severely so.

The only people in Japan who can really get away with ignoring this arrangement are certain very well-to-do foreigners and the Yakuza.

One of the reasons I eventually fell out of love with Japan, so to speak.

Posted by: RamonAllones at February 26, 2013 02:42 PM (3lLli)

149 Just another victim of the racist oppressive white environmental power structure

Posted by: Pervy Grin at February 26, 2013 02:42 PM (OxKj2)

150 If he threw pieces of mylar onto the ground then left the area without picking them up, he would be littering.

How is this different?

Posted by: Reno_Dave at February 26, 2013 02:42 PM (OL4L4)

151 I proudly chuck apple cores onto the side of the road, for small animals to eat.

Posted by: RUReadingthis at February 26, 2013 02:43 PM (V92KK)

152 Seriously, are you arguing with the premise that it's a bad idea not to wear a seatbelt? Have you seen what happens to a human head when it's propelled through a windshield at high speeds?

I don't understand why we should want to stop people who wish to discover this for themselves from doing so. Any damage to other people/property's already taken place regardless of if you're wearing a seat belt, so if you want to self-Darwinize I'm all for it.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 26, 2013 02:43 PM (B/VB5)

153 next up The Red Balloon will be reclassified as a horror movie. It's scary!

Posted by: L, elle at February 26, 2013 02:43 PM (0PiQ4)

154 It gets worse. After the arrest, Dade County SWAT made a tactical entry of his house to ensure the safety of his neighbors. Once his dog was dispatched, a thorough search of the premises showed no evidence of a reusable grocery bag. The sick sonofabitch still had a stash of plastics.

All officers went home safely.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 26, 2013 02:43 PM (+lsX1)

155
You know he will when he gets out. A female comedian made me laugh once when she said, "You haven't lived until you fucked a man fresh out of prison."

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Word

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at February 26, 2013 02:43 PM (SO2Q8)

156 101. You forgot the 'for the love of god shut the fuck up' pill

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 26, 2013 02:43 PM (CPoFy)

157
"You become docile, unmotivated, compliant, and risk-averse." ~ Ace

People even pointed this out...to Karl Marx...when he was advocating his communist policies.

And he declared that it "wouldn't happen".
His denials were much like the ones given today, by the liberal media, who claim that they aren't biased.

Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 02:43 PM (eyJSG)

158 84 And may on littering when chucked into a forest. I'm pretty sure that when apples and bananas rot in nature, they fall near trees or something.

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Yeah, but bananas fall near trees in the tropics. Dropping them on the ground in a temperate zone disturbs nature and might result in the untimely death of a spotted owl. Or something.

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at February 26, 2013 02:43 PM (IrbU4)

159 Nice try.

But there are lots of other things that make nice presents at Valentines Day.



Diamonds, Emeralds and Rubies.

Lingerie.

A nice dinner out.



My hubby gave me a new orchid for my collection...and I was thrilled.

He picked it up at Lowes, when he was there buying some tools.



Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 02:37 PM (eyJSG)


But you don't understand! Trying to do those things will become a felony.
Diamonds, emeralds, rubies - destructive mining without an EPA permit
Lingerie - males buying lingerie are sexual predators with a kidnapped teenager trapped in a well back home
A nice dinner out - the carbon footprint of going out to eat exceeds our monthly allotted ration
You see, you're just going to have to tolerate getting jack and squat for those special occasions.

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 02:44 PM (GQ8sn)

160 I can't wait to start tasing and cuffing kids by the boat load at Disney World!
Stakeout the Mouse! FTW

Posted by: Richard Gozinya - FHP at February 26, 2013 02:44 PM (Znqj4)

161 But it does attract animals to the highway for the squishing, if one were concerned about such things.


Dumb assed animals are attracted to the highway regardless.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 02:44 PM (GFM2b)

162 I don't know if tarring and feathering idiot bureaucrats and politicians is technically "against the law", but I think it's high time to f*cking find out.

Posted by: Roy at February 26, 2013 02:44 PM (VndSC)

163 This is a result of lawyers making laws. More laws create the need for
more lawyers. The end result is that the law becomes a business, a very
lucrative one: more tax money is needed for the system, more facilities
to house the offenders, rinse and repeat until there is no freedom left
any more.

The kind, quality, and ethics of the bar is directly related to that of the greater society from which lawyers come.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at February 26, 2013 02:44 PM (mg08E)

164 Did the trooper's gun jam while this guy was raping the enviroment?

A 10 round clip isn't enough to put down someone who would kill millions with his helium-filled death bags.

Posted by: jwest at February 26, 2013 02:44 PM (ZDsRL)

165 You can have my 99 luftballons when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

Posted by: Nena at February 26, 2013 02:44 PM (fWAjv)

166 "Don't. Legal weed is blue states telling the Feds to take their laws and shove them up their ass. I think that is all win.


It beats the learned helplessness that has pervaded sane folks."



When the states enact worse laws than the Feds, you'll have to pardon me if I'm less than enthusiastic.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 26, 2013 02:45 PM (yCvxi)

167 I wonder how they intend to prove that the balloons would have ever come to ground again in Florida. Likely came down out to sea in international waters.

Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 02:45 PM (OlN4e)

168 My hubby gave me a new orchid for my collection...and I was thrilled.

He picked it up at Lowes, when he was there buying some tools.



Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 02:37 PM (eyJSG)

My wife got an Orchid as a present from her best friend one year for her birthday.She was out of town when it arrive, I dutifully unpacked it and set it out.Fast forward some 3 years now (3 years tomorrow) and I'm still the one who takes care of it. She's never even touched the damn thing. I got it through 2-3 flowering cylces (we broke the stem during the move so now flowers this time.)I'm seriously thinking of just getting rid of it. Sure they're pretty but a stunning amount of work. (We'll see if it survives, I just accidentally removed it from the pot and and to reseat it.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 26, 2013 02:45 PM (/0Nh2)

169 I, for one, support the criminalization of expensive, idiotic romantic gestures done to impress. If we all stand together, we can end this travesty of justice for once and for all.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 02:45 PM (Hx5uv)

170 I released a Valentine mylar in Reno,
Just to watch it fly.

Posted by: Hopeless Romantic at February 26, 2013 02:45 PM (rdy8w)

171
But there are lots of other things that make nice presents at Valentines Day.

Diamonds, Emeralds and Rubies.
Lingerie.
A nice dinner out.
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But we cannot be sure that they are legal either. Though i would will willing to risk it for some of the sluttier items in the Fredericks catalogue.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 26, 2013 02:46 PM (SO2Q8)

172 See, there. You just saw 'em repressing me. Hey, come see the violence inherit in the system!

Posted by: Monty Gator at February 26, 2013 02:46 PM (yn6XZ)

173 136 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 02:32 PM (xN73L)



You type really really well for a bear.

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 26, 2013 02:40 PM (VtjlW)




AllenG is gay????

NTTAWWT

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 26, 2013 02:46 PM (ZAT/c)

174 "I barely remember, but wasn't Winston Smith's actual crime in 1984 loving Julia?"

Julia has a whole new Master now. Before cradle to after grave.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at February 26, 2013 02:46 PM (71LDo)

175 Speaking as one of those lawyer-types, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Laws like these don't come from attorneys (hell, I'd suspect that many of them don't even get appropriate oversight and review from qualified attorneys before being voted into law). They come from bureaucrats and regulators and activists.

None of which were lawyers prior to being elected? No one in Greenpeace is a lawyer?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 26, 2013 02:47 PM (+z4pE)

176 In America as it should be, a man should be able to lauch helium balloons, and have his girl blast them to smitthereens with an AR-15.

Posted by: Roy at February 26, 2013 02:47 PM (VndSC)

177 114 You think this is bad, comrade? Wait until the EPA puts an emissions cap on your flatulence.

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Way ahead of you, pal. I got carbon credits out the ying-yang.

Posted by: AlGore at February 26, 2013 02:47 PM (IrbU4)

178
151I proudly chuck apple cores onto the side of the road, for small animals to eat.
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Johnny Appleseed - serial offender

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 26, 2013 02:47 PM (SO2Q8)

179 123 Posted by: toby928© for TB,
And there've been multiple stories about what's actually done with this supposedly recycled crap.
Hint. A lot of it isn't actually being recycled.
And the stuff that is recycled. The process of recycling uses energy.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 26, 2013 02:47 PM (9H+iJ)

180 Let's just cut to the endgame and issue people their Sleep Pills, Work Pills, and Sex Pills, and at all other times dose them with libido-reducing sedatives.


Do I get to do gun-fu? Because if I get to do gun-fu, I might be inclined to support this.


I would also like to congratulate Sean Bean because he lived for almost a whole 10 minutes in that movie.

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 26, 2013 02:47 PM (VtjlW)

181 wheatie,

I'm joking BTW. My wife's birthday is tomorrow and I'm buying her some jewelry and flowers. I don't do cards because they're bullshit, but I do do gifts.

I'd do anything for her.

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 02:47 PM (GQ8sn)

182 In Soviet Russia, balloons blow you!

Posted by: Whackoff Jerkoff at February 26, 2013 02:48 PM (yn6XZ)

183 I hope his girlfriend understands this balloon giving is really just another patriarchal act by a man seeking only to control her reproductive capability. She should hate him for this "gift"!

Posted by: Ashley Judd at February 26, 2013 02:48 PM (B5y+v)

184
"We don't recycle"
Don't worry - very, very few do. What most do is "sort" - a job that used to be carried out downstream, and is a fairly useless task to carry out so far upstream...

Posted by: Jess1 at February 26, 2013 02:48 PM (lbiWb)

185 I've been burning lawn debris in my yard for decades. Now the EPA says I cannot did it from May through November. Because OZONE!

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 02:48 PM (QupBk)

186 AllenG is gay???? NTTAWWT
Posted by: BCochran1981

I hear his blog is Fabulous!

Posted by: Roy at February 26, 2013 02:49 PM (VndSC)

187 118 I can attest that there always was a lot of trouble associated with losing bunches of those balloons. Especially anywhere near an air traffic control facility. I've never gotten a straight explanation that seemed consistent but a lost bunch of these supposedly creates a false image that is really alarming to those trying to keep aerial stuff from finding each other unexpectedly.

------------

Phase 1: Create balloon.
Phase 2: Cover balloon in conductive aluminium.
Phase 3: Release balloon under high-tension lines.
Phase 4: Profit!

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at February 26, 2013 02:49 PM (IrbU4)

188 >>You type really really well for a bear.

Does a bear blog in the woods?

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 26, 2013 02:49 PM (SUKHu)

189
114 You think this is bad, comrade? Wait until the EPA puts an emissions cap on your flatulence.

---
Well, that's the second worst emission that could try to cap. but if they do, they'll just be in for a BP style disaster in my pants.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 26, 2013 02:49 PM (SO2Q8)

190 99 Mylar balloons would give him the death penalty.

Posted by: Nena at February 26, 2013 02:49 PM (71LDo)

191 And the ACLU will be on this when. . . .?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 26, 2013 02:49 PM (zF6Iw)

192 Do I get to do gun-fu? Because if I get to do gun-fu, I might be inclined to support this.


Hmmm... that proposal is intriguing.

I've been burning lawn debris in my yard for decades. Now the EPA says I
cannot did it from May through November. Because OZONE!


No, officer, that's not burning lawn debris. That's my campfire.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 02:50 PM (xN73L)

193 #159

Diamonds are the ultimate in carbon sequestration. As the companies producing artificial diamond get more adept they'll become mandated building materials.

Posted by: epobirs at February 26, 2013 02:50 PM (kcfmt)

194 One of the reasons I eventually fell out of love with Japan, so to speak.
Posted by: RamonAllones at February 26, 2013 02:42 PM (3lLli)


Show us on the doll where the tentacles touched you.

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 26, 2013 02:50 PM (VtjlW)

195 120 If it were about aircraft safety, that would have been the charge. Instead, it's about protecting endangered frogs and amoebas.

------------

Aluminized mylar is a well-known mutagen. In one of the alternate timelines, Spiderman is *not* a boy who got bitten by a spider, but a spider that was innocently minding its own business when it was viciously attacked by a roving band of aluminized mylar balloons.

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at February 26, 2013 02:50 PM (IrbU4)

196
WTF, Why wasn't the girlfriend arrested?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 26, 2013 02:51 PM (R8hU8)

197 For future reference, please remember not to commit environmental crimes in our parking lots! If you do, remember to run hard and fast around the building and into a side door. The cops are usually too slow to catch up. We'll leave the light on for you.

Posted by: Tom Bodett at February 26, 2013 02:51 PM (B5y+v)

198
"This is a result of lawyers making laws. More laws create the need for
more lawyers. The end result is that the law becomes a business, a very
lucrative one: more tax money is needed for the system, more facilities
to house the offenders, rinse and repeat until there is no freedom left
any more."

Well, I wouldn't say *no* freedom. There will be plenty of freedom for the lawyers and gummint types (BIRM) as a result of the impenatrably-worded carveouts in the laws they push. Fuck the little people.

Posted by: Jaws at February 26, 2013 02:51 PM (4I3Uo)

199 Hey, how does this square with Van Jones' "environmental justice" crusade? I thought it was whites who were polluting the environment to keep the colored man down.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2013 02:51 PM (is6Me)

200 >>>None of which were lawyers prior to being elected? No one in Greenpeace is a lawyer?

Meh. Having a law degree is one thing. Using it is another. In our profession we sharply distinguish between "practicing" and non-practicing attorneys. Sure, I have no doubt that some of these people went to law school. But that's not the point. The divide here isn't between lawyers and laymen, it's between the unholy nexus of bureaucrats/regulators/lobbyists/activists and the rest of us. Us law-talkin' guys are merely a 'weapon' used by both sides when these issues spill over into litigation.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 02:52 PM (/COnL)

201 And the ACLU will be on this when.


When he ties condoms onto the strings as a "delivery" system to disadvantaged yoots.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 02:52 PM (GFM2b)

202 Hey, how does this square with Van Jones' "environmental justice"
crusade? I thought it was whites who were polluting the environment to
keep the colored man down.


Stockholm syndrome.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 02:52 PM (xN73L)

203 All prisoners are political prisoners.

17
When everybody's a criminal everybody's in jail.


Posted by: Things Twain May or May Not Have Said at February 26, 2013 02:22 PM (RD7QR)

Posted by: Things Bill Ayers Said at February 26, 2013 02:52 PM (cv5Iw)

204 came out of an environmental lobbying shop and passed the FL House Speaker's desk during an election-season session of the state legislature.
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (/COnL

And was likely added as an amendment to a bill and not strictly voted upon on its own merits.

Posted by: RKinRoanoke at February 26, 2013 02:53 PM (DOEXI)

205 Only half the things you'd like to do are actually criminal, but you assume the rest might be too, thus putting it in your head you need State Permission to take virtually any action besides going to work and, of course, paying the state its dues.

Of course, the other half of this is making it illegal to not do things. That’s when real paralysis occurs: in theory, this guy could have assumed that anything he does might be illegal, and look up the law (in practice, of course, that makes Zeno a piker).

But as we build laws saying what must be done irrespective of having done something else, then both action and inaction will make criminals of us all.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 26, 2013 02:53 PM (QF8uk)

206
A criminal code must track with the basic human sense of right and wrong. The law has a make-'em-up rule to prevent people from saying "I didn't know there was a law against this" (ignorance of the law is no defense, it goes), but that's a stupid ass stopgap the law requires to function at all.


Oh, by the way, this isn't necessarily the case anymore. For an example, see the City of Bell's corruption case.

Link to CBS Local's LA Times blog: http://tiny.cc/3gp4sw

...The high court held in its August decision that prosecutors in public corruption cases must prove that defendants knew they were breaking the law, or were criminally negligent in not knowing.

But in rejecting the defense motion, Superior Court Judge Kathleen Kennedy wrote that there is “ample probable cause” to believe the Bell defendants knew they were acting criminally when they allegedly looted the city’s treasury, or “should have known that their conduct was illegal...”


In other words, the council members claimed, "We didn't know what we were doing was illegal!" And the Judge said, "Yes you did!"

But nowhere did anyone say, "It doesn't matter whether you knew or not. Ignorance is no defense."

So, long held judicial doctrine apparently out the window.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 02:53 PM (4df7R)

207 You gotta Fight the Power! Fight the Powers that Be.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 02:53 PM (QupBk)

208 I don't understand why we should want to stop people who wish to
discover this for themselves from doing so. Any damage to other
people/property's already taken place regardless of if you're wearing a
seat belt, so if you want to self-Darwinize I'm all for it.>>

The condescension in that statement is very lefty like. The argument should be limited to is there a reason the state has a right to order me to wear a seat belt? I was talking to a farmer the other day that got a sealtbelt ticket as he was hauling equipment from one field to the next one a half mile away. 20 MMPH on a rural road. It was a commercial rig and he paid a heavy price that served no purpose to public safety.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 26, 2013 02:53 PM (81UWZ)

209 194 Show us on the doll where the tentacles touched you.

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 26, 2013 02:50 PM (VtjlW)




It's been said before, but needs to be said again....

That is one seriously fucked up culture.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 26, 2013 02:53 PM (ZAT/c)

210 168...I'm seriously thinking of just getting rid of it. Sure they're pretty but a stunning amount of work.

Eh? Orchids aren't much work at all.
You can go for a month or morewithout watering them.

They are grateful for any old cheap plant food...you don't have to buy the 'orchid food'.

A bloom spike will last for six months.
You don't have to re-pot them very often....every other year, if you don't want to mess with it.

For watering...I just use a plastic container, a little bigger than the orchid pot, to soak each of them in.
Soak them for a few hours, or overnight if they look dried out...then dump the water.

Orchids are a lot easier to grow than I used to think, before I got one.

Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 02:53 PM (eyJSG)

211 You have no idea how releasing balloons will destroy your liberty

Posted by: Prisoner #6 at February 26, 2013 02:54 PM (SO2Q8)

212 When we got to the Scene of the Crime there was five police officers and three police cars, being the biggest crime of the last fifty years, and everybody wanted to
get in the newspaper story about it. And they was using up all kinds of
cop equipment that they had hanging around the police officer's station.
They was taking plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling prints, and
they took twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each
one was to be used as evidence against us. Took pictures of the approach,
the getaway, the northwest corner the southwest corner and that's not to
mention the aerial photography.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 02:54 PM (Hx5uv)

213 Mylar balloons released near an airport are responsible for thousands of deaths every year. If al-qaeda ever finds out about this, life as we know it is over.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 26, 2013 02:55 PM (+lsX1)

214 The State cannot be trusted! Any time a black man is innocently talking to his girl friend they'll either arrest you on some trumped up bullshit charge or tell your wife. Sometimes the bastards have pictures. Seriously you guys, the State sucks.

Posted by: Will Smith at February 26, 2013 02:55 PM (B5y+v)

215
In Chicago, there are red-light cameras all over the place. These were installed to "improve safety". Red light cameras actually increase the number of rear-end accidents at intersections, because 1) yellow light times are shortened in order to 2) take photos of license plates and send $100+ tickets to motorists who have "run" the red light.

Chicago is about to install "speed cameras" in school zones. For the same reason, to extract millions of dollars from drivers who exceed 20 mph in a school zone.

The Illinois legislature is poised to approve a measure that would allow a citizen only 24 hours to pay the above fines, or have their automobile "booted" by police. It costs hundreds of dollars to get the boot removed, in addition to the original fines.

Posted by: Boots at February 26, 2013 02:55 PM (oG66P)

216 came out of an environmental lobbying shop and passed the FL House Speaker's desk during an election-season session of the state legislature.
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (/COnL

And was likely added as an amendment to a bill and not strictly voted upon on its own merits.
Posted by: RKinRoanoke at February 26, 2013 02:53 PM (DOEXI)



If I were less lazy, I would look into getting Project: Sunshine (thanks, Truman!) up and running. Who actually wrote what language that went into what bill and when was it added and by whom. Name names, including the staffers who typed it in.


Then again getting the Constitution amended to add the RTFBYMFMF amendment may be more important. Decisions, decisions.

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 26, 2013 02:55 PM (VtjlW)

217 What's this love you speak of?

Posted by: RoboCop at February 26, 2013 02:56 PM (BVkEs)

218 Of course, the other half of this is making it illegal to not do things. That’s when real paralysis occurs: in theory, this guy could have assumed that anything he does might be illegal, and look up the law (in practice, of course, that makes Zeno a piker).

But as we build laws saying what must be done irrespective of having done something else, then both action and inaction will make criminals of us all.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 26, 2013 02:53 PM (QF8uk)

_____________________

I really thought we might win the ObamaCare bout with a version of the inaction argument.

Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 02:56 PM (r2PLg)

219
If a leftist followed you around for a week, how many 'crimes' would you be charged with?

Remember: their justice system is social and economic based.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 26, 2013 02:56 PM (NLH1M)

220 #209

I just came across an anime series last night that appears to be based on a fetish involving girls drooling in their sleep. I'm not kidding. Nazo No Kanojo X.

Posted by: epobirs at February 26, 2013 02:56 PM (kcfmt)

221 We are all now Harry Buttle.

Posted by: OfA at February 26, 2013 02:57 PM (uM8td)

222 None of which were lawyers prior to being elected? No one in Greenpeace is a lawyer?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 26, 2013 02:47 PM (+z4pE)


Or, more appropriately, none of them have their Juris Doctorate? Because I guarantee you a shitload of them do.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 02:57 PM (4df7R)

223 If a leftist followed you around for a week, how many 'crimes' would you be charged with?

Many, but the last one will be ass-whippery in the first degree.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 02:57 PM (QupBk)

224 Civil War II starts in 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: Roy at February 26, 2013 02:57 PM (VndSC)

225

t now, you have to assume that many things that aren't contrary to morality are illegal anyway


That's how it works in Los Angeles regarding guns. I have to assume that anything I want to do is illegal* and try to find out where the exceptions are.

*example. Buying ammo mail order.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at February 26, 2013 02:57 PM (AbHls)

226
Free at last!

Free at last!

Thank God Almighty!

Free at last!











Hey, what the hell is that cop doing down there?

Posted by: Mylar Luther King at February 26, 2013 02:57 PM (j2lYi)

227 Seriously, are you arguing with the premise that it's a bad idea not to wear a seatbelt? Have you seen what happens to a human head when it's propelled through a windshield at high speeds?
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 02:39 PM (/COnL)


You didn't ask me, Jeff, but I'll answer: wearing a seatbelt is a good idea. Being forced to wear it through the arbitrary power of the state (we'll pull you over for a moving violation if we see you're not wearing one; your state won't get it's federal funding if you don't pass a mandatory seatbelt law) is not.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 26, 2013 02:57 PM (zF6Iw)

228 You call it mylar. I call it criminalar.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 02:58 PM (Hx5uv)

229 >>twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy

Ha ha.

Posted by: Nelson, the Judge's Seeing Eye Dog at February 26, 2013 02:58 PM (SUKHu)

230 When you can make inaction illegal--that's when a government can get exponentially more oppressive.

Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 02:58 PM (r2PLg)

231
"For the same reason, to extract millions of dollars from drivers who exceed 20 mph in a school zone"
Don't forget that "school zone" now includes streets surfaces nowhere near (if I can't reach it w/a driver 5 iron, it ain't near) a school...

Posted by: Jess1 at February 26, 2013 02:58 PM (lbiWb)

232 219
If a leftist followed you around for a week, how many 'crimes' would you be charged with?

Remember: their justice system is social and economic based.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 26, 2013 02:56 PM (NLH1M)




Only one. Care to guess what it would be?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 26, 2013 02:58 PM (ZAT/c)

233 Posted by: SFGoth at February 26, 2013 02:57 PM (dZ756)

Cleanup on aisle dumbass.

Posted by: t9 at February 26, 2013 02:58 PM (x3YFz)

234 I bet they were following this guy for days. Helicopters, drones, mosquito chip implants, Internet monitoring..... the whole works. NSA will bring down the shit on this young man, you watch.

Posted by: Gene Hackman at February 26, 2013 02:58 PM (B5y+v)

235 If a leftist followed you around for a week, how many 'crimes' would you be charged with?

One. And it would only take about 20 minutes.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 26, 2013 02:58 PM (NF2Bf)

236 I saw Mylar Balloons open for Fleetwood Mac in 1978.

Posted by: wiserbud at February 26, 2013 02:58 PM (WCe8r)

237 Only one. Care to guess what it would be?


No body = no crime.

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 02:59 PM (GQ8sn)

238 I wonder how cops feel about enforcing these laws? I heard Donnie Wahlberg interviewed by Jon Liebowitz about (another) cop reality show in Boston. Based on his experience with cops, Wahlberg said that their primary motive was returning home safely to their families.

(Not protecting the public, mind you, which is something to bear in mind when the intruders are in your house and the cops aren't coming because they're mad about the sequester.)

So do you think as the world is populated by people who deep down have no compunction about taking another human's life if he feels he has nothing to lose and that human is an agent of oppression, do you think cops want to keep pushing this shit?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 26, 2013 02:59 PM (qfSUT)

239 If a leftist followed you around for a week, how many 'crimes' would you be charged with?

Remember: their justice system is social and economic based.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 26, 2013 02:56 PM (NLH1M)



One. Okay, fine two if they choose to list battery and assault separately.


Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 26, 2013 02:59 PM (VtjlW)

240 "Let's just cut to the endgame and issue people their Sleep Pills, Work
Pills, and Sex Pills, and at all other times dose them with
libido-reducing sedatives"


I know you are joking, but at times that libido-reducing idea sounds tempting.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 26, 2013 02:59 PM (UypUQ)

241 >>>The condescension in that statement is very lefty like. The argument
should be limited to is there a reason the state has a right to order me
to wear a seat belt? I was talking to a farmer the other day that got a
sealtbelt ticket as he was hauling equipment from one field to the next
one a half mile away. 20 MMPH on a rural road. It was a commercial rig
and he paid a heavy price that served no purpose to public safety.


I get the point, but the counter-argument is that not wearing a seatbelt creates significant externalities, particularly w/r/t the costs of emergency trauma medical care which, after the passage of EMTALA in the late '80s, are a massive unfunded public mandate.

I lean pretty libertarian, but I'll never be a doctrinaire libertarian because I recognize that there IS some kind of acceptable balancing test that can be finessed in these sorts of situations. The imposition of "having to wear a seat belt" is so minor and negligible (given that all cars have them), and the public savings so provably massive in the aggregate, that the trade-off is well worth it. Not only are you saving your life, you're saving your tax dollars as well.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 02:59 PM (/COnL)

242 228 wearing a seatbelt is a good idea. Being forced
to wear it through the arbitrary power of the state (we'll pull you
over for a moving violation if we see you're not wearing one; your state
won't get it's federal funding if you don't pass a mandatory seatbelt
law) is not.

Right, until your brain-damaged ass wants welfare, etc., etc. No, there is no justification for not wearing a seatbelt, period. What possible disadvantage is there to wearing one?

Posted by: SFGoth at February 26, 2013 02:59 PM (dZ756)

243 Posted by: Will Smith at February 26, 2013 02:55 PM (B5y+v)

Okay. I laughed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 03:00 PM (xN73L)

244 It's been said before, but needs to be said again.... That is one seriously fucked up culture.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 26, 2013 02:53 PM (ZAT/c)


They're about to start production on a live action film based on a popular manga about a teenage boy who gets superpowers by wearing girls panties on his head.

Yes.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 03:00 PM (4df7R)

245 Throwing banana peels out the window?

Sorry, the Theory of Humour thread is one notch down.

Next up: seltzer bottles -- social negotiation, or Aristotelian catharsis?

Posted by: comatus at February 26, 2013 03:00 PM (qaVK+)

246 I know you are joking, but at times that libido-reducing idea sounds tempting.


Hello sailor! Wanna see my Brazilian wax job?

Posted by: Helen Thomas in 1080p HD at February 26, 2013 03:00 PM (GQ8sn)

247 Lessen fliege.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 03:01 PM (wbmaj)

248 They're about to start production on a live action film based on a popular manga about a teenage boy who gets superpowers by wearing girls panties on his head.

That’s it. I’m turning Japanese.

Posted by: Stephen Vapor Blair at February 26, 2013 03:01 PM (QF8uk)

249 I lean pretty libertarian, but I'll never be a doctrinaire libertarian because I recognize that there IS some kind of acceptable balancing test that can be finessed in these sorts of situations. The imposition of "having to wear a seat belt" is so minor and negligible (given that all cars have them), and the public savings so provably massive in the aggregate, that the trade-off is well worth it. Not only are you saving your life, you're saving your tax dollars as well.

So what you're saying is that you promise to keep your totalitarianism tiny. For my own good.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 03:01 PM (QupBk)

250 I only know sheriff's deputies. The only ones I take the time to get to know. City cops, while I'm sure there are good ones, tend toward asshole. County guys are (at least where I'm at) good people.

Posted by: t9 at February 26, 2013 03:01 PM (x3YFz)

251 181 wheatie,
I'm joking BTW. My wife's birthday is tomorrow and I'm buying her some jewelry and flowers. I don't do cards because they're bullshit, but I do do gifts.
I'd do anything for her.

---------

Oh, I know, EC.
I was actually enjoying what you were doing with that riff. Heh.

It's not the individual gift really,that is thrilling....it is the fact that your beloved was thinking of you, and took the time to pick something up for you.
So it's a bonus, if it's something that you actually like.

Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 03:01 PM (eyJSG)

252 [i When you can make inaction illegal--that's when a government can get exponentially more oppressive.
Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 02:58 PM (r2PLg)

Liiiike, for example, not buying health insurance?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 03:01 PM (4df7R)

253 That’s it. I’m turning Japanese.

you really think so?

Posted by: wiserbud at February 26, 2013 03:02 PM (WCe8r)

254 Don't you feel like we're living in Bizzaro world?

I do. I try to avoid despair, but I can't shake the notion that this can't end well.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at February 26, 2013 03:02 PM (JQuNB)

255 I have survived three serious crashes which include rollover, fire, and totaled vehicles, all without a seat belt. But yeah, I'm kinda tough.
Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 02:36 PM (OlN4e

Maddogg (and anyone else who does not wear a seat belt) a word from an EMT who has seen too many bodies at automobile crashes that didn't need to be corpses: I have never unbuckled a dead body!

Posted by: RKinRoanoke at February 26, 2013 03:02 PM (DOEXI)

256 have Sharpton and the Treyvon crowd leapt to his defense yet..?

Posted by: mallfly at February 26, 2013 03:02 PM (bJm7W)

257 Wasn't it Ayn Rand who said where there aren't enough criminals to punish, government will create them? Seems to me that's about where we are now.

Posted by: rockmom at February 26, 2013 03:02 PM (NYnoe)

258
Would a leftist approve of the food in your fridge? The car in your driveway?

Your occupation?

The way you speak to others?

The way you parent your children?

Your church/religion?


Leftists show their disapproval by authoritarian rule, i.e., everything you do that they dont like is a crime.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 26, 2013 03:03 PM (FC8Yl)

259 If a leftist followed you around for a week, how many 'crimes' would you be charged with?


One. Murder.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 03:03 PM (GFM2b)

260 I sometimes throw styrofoam packaging in with the recycling.

Posted by: Lauren at February 26, 2013 03:03 PM (wsGWu)

261 231When you can make inaction illegal--that's when a government can get exponentially more oppressive.Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 02:58 PM (r2PLg)Well, looks like my Saturdays are shot.

Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 03:03 PM (+xmn4)

262
Civil War II starts in 3, 2, 1...

Nah.

Most will happily enslave themselves as long as their master keeps them fed and entertained. The few who object in any threatening way will be crushed with derision, lawfare, and, if necessary, deadly force.

Posted by: Jaws at February 26, 2013 03:03 PM (4I3Uo)

263 In Chicago, there are red-light cameras all over the place. These were installed to "improve safety". Red light cameras actually increase the number of rear-end accidents at intersections, because 1) yellow light times are shortened in order to 2) take photos of license plates and send $100+ tickets to motorists who have "run" the red light.

It's not a coincidence that these cameras are super-popular in heavily Democratic areas and unheard of elsewhere. Corruption between elected Dems and the corporations that service the cameras seems to follow many of the installs too; Insty's done a good job tracking news about them.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 26, 2013 03:03 PM (B/VB5)

264 you really think so?


Posted by: wiserbud at February 26, 2013 03:02 PM (WCe8r)And we have a Winner!


Posted by: Muad'dib - bringer of cookies at February 26, 2013 03:03 PM (KjlbF)

265 232
"For the same reason, to extract millions of dollars from drivers who exceed 20 mph in a school zone"
Don't forget that "school zone" now includes streets surfaces nowhere near (if I can't reach it w/a driver 5 iron, it ain't near) a school...


Exactly. One of the 2 tickets I mentioned getting above was in a "school zone." I used to drive that route every morning and I still to this day don't know where the alleged school is. Wherever it is, it's nowhere near where I got the ticket. I was doing (gasp) 37 MPH in a 20-zone.

Of course, the town knocked it down to a parking ticket so they could collect all the funds (the state gets moving violation fines, not sure if that's the same in other states.)

This was at 7:00 am in the morning in a quiet part of town. with not another car, not a single one, in sight. Not to mention that schools ain't open at 7 in the AM.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 26, 2013 03:03 PM (7ObY1)

266 Right, until your brain-damaged ass wants welfare, etc., etc. No, there
is no justification for not wearing a seatbelt, period. What possible
disadvantage is there to wearing one?


I'm tempted to say "that's a separate argument," but it really isn't.

Of course, it would be wise of us (as a society) to reject the premise that anyone deserves government (that is: taxpayer) paid "welfare" for anything.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 03:03 PM (xN73L)

267 What possible disadvantage is there to wearing one?>>

Ask the UPS driver out delivering packages.


Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 26, 2013 03:04 PM (81UWZ)

268 The World Turned Upside Down.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 03:04 PM (wbmaj)

269 If a leftist followed you around for a week, how many 'crimes' would you be charged with? One. Murder.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 03:03 PM (GFM2b)



Tsk tsk, rickb223. You mean you'd let them find the body?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 03:04 PM (4df7R)

270 Us law-talkin' guys are merely a 'weapon' used by both sides when these issues spill over into litigation.
Remember, I apologized in advance.

I had an eye-opening discussion with a Greenie/Birkenstock/Enviroweenie a few years back. He wanted me to contribute to Greenpeace for all their environmental work. I asked him what they did that needed funding: were they doing tangible things such as handing out reusable grocery bags? He said no, they were using lawsuits to effect "change."

I also seem to remember some type of arrangement where environmental groups sue the Federal government and get their costs reimbursed, essentially a taxpayer clusterfuck. From what I've read, the entire Environmental industry is a legal scam of monstrous proportions.

I in no way meant to tar any of the Morons here, I just meant to point out that there seems to be no one serving the interests of the public to live freely without fear of being arrested for something as innocuous as releasing ballons. Shakespeare noted this problem long ago.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 26, 2013 03:04 PM (+z4pE)

271 255 [i When you can make inaction illegal--that's when a government can get exponentially more oppressive.
Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 02:58 PM (r2PLg)

Liiiike, for example, not buying health insurance?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 03:01 PM (4df7R)

______________


Exactly.

Posted by: tasker at February 26, 2013 03:04 PM (r2PLg)

272 Toby, your ability to dismantle Jeff in so few words with such routine is truly impressive.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 26, 2013 03:04 PM (yCvxi)

273 So what you're saying is that you promise to keep your totalitarianism tiny. For my own good.

That's exactly what it sounds like.

Posted by: GMan at February 26, 2013 03:04 PM (sxq57)

274
Most will happily enslave themselves as long as
their master keeps them fed and entertained. The few who object in any
threatening way will be crushed with derision, lawfare, and, if
necessary, deadly force.

Posted by: Jaws at February 26, 2013 03:03 PM (4I3Uo)

I will stand and defend this nation to the bitter... oh wait! Is that a new episode of Honey Boo Boo?

Posted by: Person who watches honey booboo at February 26, 2013 03:04 PM (x3YFz)

275 I don't understand why you people hate the baby manatees.

Posted by: garrett at February 26, 2013 03:05 PM (hjQhW)

276
Leftists show their disapproval by authoritarian rule, i.e., everything you do that they dont like is a crime.


***

And yet the Occupy crowd can trespass and shit on public property and it's all good.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 03:05 PM (Hx5uv)

277 Janet Napolitano--He, She or It? You decide. I'll report.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 03:05 PM (wbmaj)

278 "No body = no crime."

I've often thought police should be required to provide hard evidence. The word of an "officer" should not supersede the word of anybody else.

Posted by: Andrew at February 26, 2013 03:05 PM (HS3dy)

279 But nowhere did anyone say, "It doesn't matter whether you knew or not. Ignorance is no defense." So, long held judicial doctrine apparently out the window.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 02:53 PM (4df7R)

Just reading the excerpt, I think what the judge is saying is that the "mens rea" or guilty mind element is met. Ignorance of a crime is no defense, but lack of mens rea is. You had to intend to defraud for example, it doesn't matter if you don't know fraud is a crime. Common misconception.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 03:05 PM (t06LC)

280 if I can't reach it w/a driver 5 iron, it ain't near

So, like, 220 yards?

Posted by: Sir Shanksalot at February 26, 2013 03:06 PM (NF2Bf)

281 >>>228 wearing a seatbelt is a good idea. Being forced

to wear it through the arbitrary power of the state (we'll pull you

over for a moving violation if we see you're not wearing one; your state

won't get it's federal funding if you don't pass a mandatory seatbelt

law) is not.


This misses a ton of the subtleties of primary vs. secondary moving violations. Many states consider failure to wear a seatbelt a primary violation (i.e. sufficient in and of itself to get you pulled over...though how a cop is going to be able to tell you're not buckled up as you're driving on the road is one of the great imponderables of life). Many others consider it only secondary: you CAN'T be pulled over for not wearing a belt, but you can have a ticket written on it if you're pulled over for another primary moving violation (e.g. speeding).

The point is, there is no federal Dole v. South Dakota-style implied mandate forcing states to make seat-belt laws primary offenses. That's down to whatever the individual legislatures decide. And whether we happen to like it or not, that's EXACTLY the sort of thing that a state has a right to do -- as Clarence Thomas pointed out in Lawrence v. Texas, the essence of Federalism means that states have the right to make stupid, moronic laws that you personally find loathsome, provided they don't violate the Constitution.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 03:06 PM (/COnL)

282 219 If a leftist followed you around for a week, how many 'crimes' would you be charged with?

We have a lot to choose from now...so the possibilites are endless.
It depends on how much we don't like you.

Posted by: Vicious Marxist Bureacrats at February 26, 2013 03:06 PM (eyJSG)

283 279
I don't understand why you people hate the baby manatees.

Posted by: garrett


I don't, they're delicious.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 26, 2013 03:06 PM (w+Dvf)

284 baby manatees.

wouldn't that be a boyatee?

Posted by: wiserbud at February 26, 2013 03:06 PM (WCe8r)

285 Sometimes I eat sunflower seeds when I'm driving, and spit the shells out of the window.

Go ahead and arrest me....I double-dog dare ya.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 26, 2013 03:06 PM (7xPCu)

286 Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 02:53 PM (eyJSG)

To each their own.

I find them far to finicky for my taste. I can't find a room in my house that gets the proper mix of "not too much light" and "winter cold." to keep the cycle going.
Also the stems we get are remarkably fragile, which creates all sorts of problems with the clumsy people in my house.

Still though the light is the biggest problem. Our leaves are always spotty (and we've lost a few.) but if I don't have it in the window the house doesn't get cold enough to trigger dormancy.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 26, 2013 03:07 PM (/0Nh2)

287
Could you watch your tv shows with a leftist?

They wouldn't just cluk their tongues; they'd declare you an awful person.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 26, 2013 03:07 PM (E7Qlq)

288 Sometimes I eat sunflower seeds when I'm driving, and spit the shells out of the window.

Go ahead and arrest me....I double-dog dare ya.
Posted by: model_1066 at February 26, 2013 03:06 PM (7xPCu)

Ever forget to roll the window down?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 03:07 PM (9Bj8R)

289 Would a leftist approve of the food in your fridge? - mostly yes, I eat mostly healthy and organic. But I am no vegetarian, so maybe no.

The car in your driveway? - a gas guzzlin' pickup? Guilty

Your occupation? - Importing raw materials for smelly, pollutin', capitalist factories? They'd hate me for that

Your church/religion? - I already know they hate that.

Guess it's off to the re-edumocation camp for me

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 26, 2013 03:07 PM (7ObY1)

290
Hey does SF still ban Happy Meals or did that get overturned?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2013 03:07 PM (p/cQy)

291 Five years of cooling his heels in the pokey should straighten him out.

Posted by: Officer Krupke at February 26, 2013 03:07 PM (bGlsD)

292
Instapundit has a paper out, "Ham Sandwich Nation: Due Process when Everything is a Crime".

About how anybody can be indicted for anything nowadays.

Posted by: Boots at February 26, 2013 03:08 PM (oG66P)

293 the unbearable tyranny of seatbelt laws

Posted by: JDP at February 26, 2013 03:08 PM (60GaT)

294 Next, Time Warner sues him for singing 'Happy Birthday.'

Posted by: RWC at February 26, 2013 03:08 PM (fWAjv)

295 I'm going to go burn a tire just to show my solidarity.

Posted by: t9 at February 26, 2013 03:08 PM (x3YFz)

296 This misses a ton of the subtleties of primary vs. secondary moving
violations. Many states consider failure to wear a seatbelt a primary
violation (i.e. sufficient in and of itself to get you pulled
over...though how a cop is going to be able to tell you're not buckled
up as you're driving on the road is one of the great imponderables of
life). Many others consider it only secondary: you CAN'T be pulled over
for not wearing a belt, but you can have a ticket written on it if
you're pulled over for another primary moving violation (e.g. speeding).


Ct instituted a mandatory seatbelt law a bunch of years back, saying it was only going to be considered a secondary violation.

Within two years, it became a primary violation.

Love that creeping incrementalism.....

Posted by: wiserbud at February 26, 2013 03:08 PM (WCe8r)

297 All this guy needs to do is get a jury trial. No sane jury would convict him.

Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2013 03:08 PM (53z96)

298 [iJust reading the excerpt, I think what the judge is saying is that the "mens rea" or guilty mind element is met. Ignorance of a crime is no defense, but lack of mens rea is. You had to intend to defraud for example, it doesn't matter if you don't know fraud is a crime. Common misconception.
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 03:05 PM (t06LC)

Could be. I've been trying to find a copy of the actual RULING, but all the doc storage places that may have the PDF are blocked here at my work. It's irritating as hell.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 03:09 PM (4df7R)

299 Right, until your brain-damaged ass wants welfare, etc., etc. No, there is no justification for not wearing a seatbelt, period. What possible disadvantage is there to wearing one?
Posted by: SFGoth at February 26, 2013 02:59 PM (dZ756) You are talented at missing the point. The state has no business protecting me from myself. Not wearing the fucking belt has not a goddam thing to do with advantage. And you will wait a fucking long time to see me with my hand out for welfare.

Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 03:09 PM (OlN4e)

300 That sounds like Kenmore to me. WNY is ticket-happy in general, though.

268


Exactly. One of the 2 tickets I mentioned getting above was in a
"school zone." I used to drive that route every morning and I still to
this day don't know where the alleged school is. Wherever it is, it's
nowhere near where I got the ticket. I was doing (gasp) 37 MPH in a
20-zone.



Of course, the town knocked it down to a parking ticket so they
could collect all the funds (the state gets moving violation fines, not
sure if that's the same in other states.)



This was at 7:00 am in the morning in a quiet part of town. with not
another car, not a single one, in sight. Not to mention that schools
ain't open at 7 in the AM.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 26, 2013 03:03 PM (7ObY1)

Posted by: Pyrocles at February 26, 2013 03:09 PM (cv5Iw)

301 ARRRGH, I cannot seem to type out my italics tags today! *kicks self in hands*

Ow. Okay, bad idea.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 03:10 PM (4df7R)

302 Noone is a "law abiding citizen" except by chance, since there are so many laws and regulations no one could list, let alone describe, all the laws they are under at any one time. As morality degrades and the law is used as a tool of social engineering (at best), the law enforcement become empowered to control citizens lives more or less arbitrarily.

Posted by: Randy M at February 26, 2013 03:10 PM (vI8R6)

303 Ever forget to roll the window down?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 03:07 PM (9Bj8R)

No...that's why I said 'out of the window', not 'into the window'. But once when I was in high school, my friend was driving, and turned to discharge a big sticky lung cookie he hacked up, and forgot that his window was rolled up. Gross, yet hilarious.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 26, 2013 03:11 PM (7xPCu)

304
Brasfield was charged with polluting to harm humans, animals, plants, etc. under the Florida Air and Water Pollution Control Act.
---
otoh, it sounds like this law could've taken care of the entire Occupy movement. At least if they were not preferred customers.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 26, 2013 03:11 PM (SO2Q8)

305 I suggest a baseball bat would be just right for keeping that nazi copper in line.

Posted by: Sgt. Donny Donowitz at February 26, 2013 03:11 PM (B5y+v)

306 For your viewing pleasure - or what I picture most leftists are like.

http://tinyurl.com/7ybq4pz

Angry Prius bitch.

Posted by: RWC at February 26, 2013 03:11 PM (fWAjv)

307 301- I can't get my spaces sorted out. Enter only seems to work half the time for paragraph breaks.

Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 03:11 PM (+xmn4)

308 297
All this guy needs to do is get a jury trial. No sane jury would convict him.


Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2013 03:08 PM (53z96)


___________
After the 2012 elections nothing would surprise me anymore.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 26, 2013 03:11 PM (HDgX3)

309 This story reminds me of that sidebar story about the TechCrunch editor who bought a boat from Canada and DHS seized it because the officer wrote down the price of the boat in CAD$ instead of USD$.

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 03:11 PM (GQ8sn)

310 I've often thought police should be required to provide hard evidence.
The word of an "officer" should not supersede the word of anybody else.


Strictly technically speaking, they are.

If you actually take it to court and the officer says, "Oh, no, I saw it. Pinkie swear." And you say, "No he didn't, because I didn't do it," and there's no other evidence one way or the other- strictly technically speaking- the charges should be dismissed, or you should be found not-guilty.

Now, "strictly technically speaking" is not necessarily how it will work, but it's certainly one of the reasons cops hate it when people actually fight their tickets.

On the other hand, tickets are a phenomenal scam. Most municipalities have now instituted some kind of punishment against officers who don't show up for court dates, so you can't just go to court yourself to fight things anymore- you have to hire a lawyer. By the time you're done, your court costs will be more than the ticket would have been, meaning people only fight such things when there is something else at stake such as losing your license or jail time.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 03:12 PM (xN73L)

311 246 They're about to start production on a live action film based on a popular manga about a teenage boy who gets superpowers by wearing girls panties on his head.

Yes.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 03:00 PM (4df7R)



...............................

And we're worried about balloons, carbon social justice?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 26, 2013 03:13 PM (ZAT/c)

312 Am I the only one who thinks that the expression on the guy's face in that mugshot isn't one of amusement or bemusement, but of "you motherfuckers want to see me commit a real crime?"

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 26, 2013 03:13 PM (yCvxi)

313 There once was some latin phrase that said that although the King (state) had absolute power, it really didn't matter because the King couldn't see everywhere or prosecute all crimes. I forgot what this doctrine is called. I would say modern technology and the proliferation of burecrats did away with that quaint notion long ago, but there is that.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 03:13 PM (t06LC)

314 >>>So what you're saying is that you promise to keep your totalitarianism tiny. For my own good.

This is ridiculous, and suggests that you know little about the constitution, our federalist structure of our government, or conservative jurisprudence. Short version: look up the term "police power" with reference to the rights reserved to fifty individual states. What you call "tiny totalitarianism" everyone else with a modicum of legal education calls "the accepted order of government powers since the days of the founders."

The Constitution (at least after incorporation of the Bill of Rights...a separate story) enumerates a list of inherent rights upon which the government cannot infringe. But, unless there is some sort of federal field preemption, everything else is fair game for an individual state to regulate. Whether you like it or not. You could have gotten Madison, Jefferson, Adams, Washington, Hamilton, and Jay together in a room and literally every single one of them would have agreed with this premise. In fact, they would have thought you slightly bonkers for even raising the question. People were a lot more informed back then, it seems.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 03:14 PM (/COnL)

315 I can't sleep until this person of dark complexion is behind bars!!!

Posted by: CNN Staffer at February 26, 2013 03:14 PM (xAtAj)

316
I wonder how many actual laws exist in the US. Its got to be over a million. And 25% of them probably conflict.

It was just a few years ago that it became legal in my state to collect rain water on my own property.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2013 03:14 PM (p/cQy)

317 They're about to start production on a live action film based on a
popular manga about a teenage boy who gets superpowers by wearing girls
panties on his head.



What kind of powers?

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 03:14 PM (GQ8sn)

318 All this guy needs to do is get a jury trial. No sane jury would convict him.>>

Hopefully a good lawyer will help him out pro bono on that. Since likely he was charged with everything and it will get plead down to a fine and community service. So he has to chose between the cost of a trial or the cost of the fine.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 26, 2013 03:14 PM (81UWZ)

319
297All this guy needs to do is get a jury trial. No sane jury would convict him.
---
You did notice that this was Florida, right?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 26, 2013 03:14 PM (SO2Q8)

320 299
Right, until your brain-damaged ass wants welfare, etc., etc. No, there
is no justification for not wearing a seatbelt, period. What possible
disadvantage is there to wearing one?
Posted by: SFGoth at February
26, 2013 02:59 PM (dZ756) You are talented at missing the point. The
state has no business protecting me from myself. Not wearing the fucking
belt has not a goddam thing to do with advantage. And you will wait a
fucking long time to see me with my hand out for welfare.

Posted by: maddogg

Well aren't you special! The problem is, most people aren't, and when they're quadriplegics, they're going to both want, and need, help. Moreover, let's say you're not at fault -- some other guy is. Guess what? Your lawsuit against him just got reduced by the amount of damages you could have avoided by wearing a seatbelt. You're really tilting at windmills on this one.

Posted by: SFGoth at February 26, 2013 03:14 PM (dZ756)

321 All this guy needs to do is get a jury trial. No sane jury would convict him.


Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2013 03:08 PM (53z96)


Do the words OJ or Casey Anthony ring a bell

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2013 03:14 PM (9Bj8R)

322 I miss "pioneer justice" and it's twin sister "freedom". It's getting so a man can't take a piss in his own backyard without Al Gore screaming "FOUL".

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 26, 2013 03:14 PM (EGPJQ)

323
The surveillance society is pervasive. The UK is way ahead of us with it, but we are catching up.

Given how everything else in the UK sucks, we are not on the right track.

Posted by: Boots at February 26, 2013 03:15 PM (oG66P)

324 Shall we talk about speeding tickets then? Okay. The difference between getting a speeding ticket on a state or local road here in NH and getting one on the highway are astronomical. For example, I've gotten a few speeding tickets in my day, usually for going 15mph faster than the posted limit. Okay, I understand that. My bad, especially in suburban areas with families and people walking.

Those are around $75, or $25 for every 5mph over the limit.

I got one ticket on the highway a few years ago. Same thing, going 15mph over the posted limit (I was doing 80 in a 65, again ON THE HIGHWAY and following the flow of traffic).

Cost of the ticket? $300.

THREE HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS.

Even the staties look uncomfortable handing out tickets like that. They know it's pure bullshit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 03:15 PM (4df7R)

325 The. Mandarins. Will. Fucking. Kill. Us.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 26, 2013 03:15 PM (tVTLU)

326 On the other hand, tickets are a phenomenal scam.
Most municipalities have now instituted some kind of punishment against
officers who don't show up for court dates, so you can't just go to
court yourself to fight things anymore- you have to hire a lawyer. By
the time you're done, your court costs will be more than the ticket
would have been, meaning people only fight such things when there is
something else at stake such as losing your license or jail time.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 03:12 PM (xN73L)

Oh it's totally worse here. Most traffic court judges won't do shit for you unless you have a law degree, even if the cop doesn't show up. They'll make up some excuse to refuse to see you.Except across the river. Ironically the most corrupt judiciary in the region (Madison County) apparently decided just to do away with the whole dog and pony show. All tickets come with an automatic plead down now. Just call the number on them and you can plead to a no points thing.(Which is the only reason I "fight" them, to avoid the insurance increase.) It might as well be racketeering.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 26, 2013 03:16 PM (/0Nh2)

327 But .... BALLOONS!!!! OMG!

Posted by: Bozo the Clown at February 26, 2013 03:16 PM (EGPJQ)

328 52. You got it:



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"There's
no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to
crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes
them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for
men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens?
What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can
neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a
nation of law-breakers - then you cash in on the guilt"

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Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 26, 2013 03:16 PM (tqAT4)

329 Meanwhile, Bill Ayers is free as a bird.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 03:16 PM (Hx5uv)

330 290

Hey does SF still ban Happy Meals or did that get overturned?


Posted by: Guy Mohawk

I'm not sure it's a ban per se -- they have to serve a certain quality of nutrition IIRC, but since I don't have kids and don't eat at McD's I don't follow it.

Posted by: SFGoth at February 26, 2013 03:17 PM (dZ756)

331 Dude, you'd figure you'd get the idea by now how this blog software works and yet.....

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 03:17 PM (GQ8sn)

332
"This was at 7:00 am in the morning in a quiet part of town. with not another car, not a single one, in sight. Not to mention that schools ain't open at 7 in the AM"
Of course, the actual time school is open is irrelevant in most cases.
Shanks - that would be a really, really bad day, even at my advanced age...

Posted by: Jess1 at February 26, 2013 03:17 PM (lbiWb)

333 If only he was armed with a sidearm so that he could've shot down the balloons and properly disposed of the remains.

Posted by: CDR M at February 26, 2013 03:17 PM (BuYeH)

334 I just read the article. This is a third degree felony punishable with up to 5 yrs in prison? Seriously? What utter bullshit.

Posted by: L, elle at February 26, 2013 03:17 PM (0PiQ4)

335 Someone who can't take care of themselves because they dashed their brains out in a tragic accident, is precisely who welfare is for.

You think it is okay to punish and fine ALL people for not wearing seatbelts- curtailing everybody's freedom- for these few marginal and rare cases?

How about first we talk about the MILLIONS of young, healthy, able-bodied people on welfare right now, and for their whole lives? *These* are the people who are abusing the system, not the few authentic invalids who failed to use a damn seatbelt.

Jesus, people.

Posted by: lauraw at February 26, 2013 03:17 PM (YzUDF)

336 "Cost of the ticket? $300. THREE HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS."

That ticket is gettinginto blowjob range.

Just say'in.

Posted by: jwest at February 26, 2013 03:17 PM (ZDsRL)

337 We're going to need a bigger barrel.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 03:17 PM (Hx5uv)

338 288...Still though the light is the biggest problem. Our leaves are always spotty (and we've lost a few.)

tsrblke,
Spotty leaves? ...Uh oh, that could be mites, which are a fucking nightmare to get rid of.
That would explain the weak bloom spikes, as well.

You're better off just tossing that one.
And don't re-use the pot that it's in either.

Someone gave me an orchid that was infested with mites.
I spent two years trying to nurse it back to health...and nothing worked...and it infected two others that were next to it.

I ended up losing two healthy ones, when I should've just tossed the infested one to begin with.

Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 03:17 PM (eyJSG)

339 This was chargeable as a felony. A FUCKING FELONY.

That officer should lose his job and badge IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 26, 2013 03:17 PM (tVTLU)

340
317They're about to start production on a live action film based on a
popular manga about a teenage boy who gets superpowers by wearing girls
panties on his head.


What kind of powers?

----
Screw that, what kind of panties?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 26, 2013 03:18 PM (SO2Q8)

341 Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 26, 2013 03:16 PM (tqAT4)

Thanks for the quote.

Now in the barrel.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 03:18 PM (xN73L)

342 everything else is fair game for an individual state to regulate.>>

Just because they can doesn't mean it's not totalitarian if they do.

The constitution is there to protect us from the govt the police are there to protect us from one another. Is the way it's supposed to work but it doesn't anymore does it.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 26, 2013 03:18 PM (81UWZ)

343 Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 02:59 PM (/COnL)

And this is why our Country is turning to shit. I work for attys and I despise them.

Posted by: Infidel at February 26, 2013 03:18 PM (O/fK8)

344 His girlfriend should bang him extra hard.

Posted by: polynikes at February 26, 2013 03:18 PM (VyRoX)

345 Winston Smith was guilty of thoughtcrime. His love of Julia was thoughtcrime, certainly, but thoughtcrime can be said to encompass everything the state says is thoughtcrime. As commenter on a previous post exclaimed, '1984 is a work of fiction, you Leftist bastards. It was never intended to be a blueprint.'

To the point of your post, wait until these myriad regulatory and bureaucratic misdemeanors are ratched upto felonies. Criminal penalties aside, millions of people belonging to targeted groups could be disenfranchised in a matter of months.

Posted by: troyriser at February 26, 2013 03:18 PM (vtiE6)

346 If you actually take it to court and the officer says, "Oh, no, I saw it. Pinkie swear." And you say, "No he didn't, because I didn't do it," and there's no other evidence one way or the other- strictly technically speaking- the charges should be dismissed, or you should be found not-guilty.

Now, "strictly technically speaking" is not necessarily how it will work, but it's certainly one of the reasons cops hate it when people actually fight their tickets.


Since law enforcement K9's are the one's "alerting" on a drug/traffic stop, THEY should be the one testifying at trial.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 03:18 PM (GFM2b)

347 What kind of powers?

Extra-Sensory Masturbation




and star throwing.

Posted by: eleven at February 26, 2013 03:18 PM (KXm42)

348
"Screw that, what kind of panties?"
Screw that, which head?
(ducks runs)

Posted by: Jess1 at February 26, 2013 03:19 PM (lbiWb)

349 Actually, the seat belt laws are a marker for where we the country turned from liberty and responsibility for one's self.

It was the first major intrusion by the government into an area that until then was considered to be within the rights of the citizen to decide whether they would take those precautions or the risks.

I believe that again health care (though not government paid for at that time) was cited as one of the reasons why it was a reasonable seizure of a citizens rights. The free rider syndrome. It was argued that the State, representing the tax payers, had an interest in preventing death and injury due to the victims injuries causing monetary loss to the State thru payments to hospitals by tax credits for taking care of those who couldn't pay to actually paying directly for those injuries from health programs. (at the time still in their infancy and not as complex)

I call it the rubber room syndrome. Their are many (and they seem to be predominantly liberal, Democrat and female) who desire that their be no risk to living. That all safety hazards must be removed once identified and that the State is responsible for every scratch and boo boo that anyone gets whether through their own decisions or not.

Once again, the slippery slope argument proves it's case. At the time seat belt laws were argued against as being the camel's nose under the tent and they were ridiculed and castigated for being hysterical in their conclusions. By the usual suspects, the State Media.

We see now that they were prescient.

Question is: how do we get back?

I can't see anything other than massive disobedience leading to a restructuring of the Government. The other option is to continue as Government tightens it's control of what you can do, say, believe and where you can go and whether you're a terroristic risk that requires incarceration or reeducation.

Anyone who thinks "that can't happen here" hasn't read much history and isn't paying attention to current events.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 03:19 PM (qyv02)

350 What kind of powers?
Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 03:14 PM (GQ8sn)


"It’s a comedy manga that tells a story about a high school student “Shikijo Kyosuke”. When he puts ladies’ panties over his head, his perverted blood awakens which brings out 100% of latent potential in his body, and it makes him transform into a superman “Hentai Kamen (lit. “Perverted Mask”)"

The poster is... mesmerizing.

Link to story on Tokyo Hive: http://tiny.cc/3gp4sw

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 03:19 PM (4df7R)

351 Wtf people? How many fucking times?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 26, 2013 03:19 PM (ZAT/c)

352 I gotta say, I live in an area that the wind brings a lot of spent helium balloons into. Do I react with outrage at the litter, and demand government intervention?

Nope. I bend over, pick them up, and think about the science of gasses, and gravity and get on with my life, grateful that I'm alive to enjoy the surprises this planet affords me.

Did I mention the only thing wrong with this planet is liberals?

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 26, 2013 03:19 PM (feFL6)

353 I'm giving up all my love up in here.

Posted by: Wilt "Balloon Animal" Chamberlain at February 26, 2013 03:19 PM (yn6XZ)

354 How did the trooper produce the evidence?

Posted by: gastorgrab at February 26, 2013 03:19 PM (FX38i)

355 So are you still allowed to fart in FL?

Posted by: CDR M at February 26, 2013 03:19 PM (cqZXM)

356
Posted by: SFGoth at February 26, 2013 03:14 PM (dZ756)




I'm tilting at government trying to control every aspect of my life. Fuck them and their good intentions. I don't want them, I don't need them. I can ride my motorcycle without a helmet, but I never do. I can drive my car without my seat belt, and generally do because the state has seen fit to make it mandatory. Fuck them. They want to ban all private firearms for the same reasons. Not safety, but fucking control. I choose to disobey.

Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 03:20 PM (OlN4e)

357 and somehow, the GOP couldn't make an issue...a wedge...with this bullshit.

Everything's a crime, we promise to cut through the bullshit and cut laws from the books. But you have to be adults about it because the totalitarians in the press and in the democrat party (BIRM) will have a shit fit about every single lost line of legal code.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 26, 2013 03:20 PM (QxSug)

358 Here if you get a speeding ticket you can go down to the municipal court and plead guilty to a non-moving violation and pay a bigger fine to the city. They get the money and you get to avoid a 4 point violation that will increase your insurance costs for three years.

Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2013 03:20 PM (53z96)

359 This gives new meaning to the term "crimes against nature."

Which is great, because I'm getting sick of people saying that when they point at me.

From now on, I'll just say, "Hey, at least I didn't release any Mylar balloons, am I right?"

Posted by: Phinn at February 26, 2013 03:20 PM (Fw/gZ)

360 I would comment but I'm all hopped up on Work Pills right now.

Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at February 26, 2013 03:21 PM (3ZtZW)

361 Winston Smith was guilty of thoughtcrime.

***

that's one crime Joe Biden will never be accused of. No actus reus.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 03:21 PM (Hx5uv)

362 Oh it's totally worse here. Most traffic court
judges won't do shit for you unless you have a law degree, even if the
cop doesn't show up. They'll make up some excuse to refuse to see
you.Except across the river. Ironically the most corrupt judiciary in
the region (Madison County) apparently decided just to do away with the
whole dog and pony show. All tickets come with an automatic plead down
now. Just call the number on them and you can plead to a no points
thing.(Which is the only reason I "fight" them, to avoid the insurance
increase.) It might as well be racketeering.)




Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 26, 2013 03:16 PM (/0Nh2)

______________________
Texas has a thing where you can pay 150% of the fine and the ticket doesn't go on your record if you don't get another ticket for a year. I've had 4 speeding tickets in my life. 2 of them were in Texas, which is why I know this, even though I don't live there. I was actually glad this was an option because I wasn't going to fly back to TX for a court hearing anyway. I payd the extra money, and my insurance company never found out. Win-win for everyone. State gets the money without court costs, my insurance doesn't go up.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 26, 2013 03:21 PM (HDgX3)

363 333 If only he was armed with a sidearm so that he could've shot down the balloons and properly disposed of the remains.
Posted by: CDR M at February 26, 2013 03:17 PM (BuYeH)

-----

I like the way you think.

Posted by: Dave S. at February 26, 2013 03:21 PM (M3APu)

364 Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 26, 2013 03:16 PM (tqAT4)


--------------------------------------


You've done this before. Wise up.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2013 03:21 PM (zLKPJ)

365 Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 03:17 PM (eyJSG)

Mites?
Shouldn't I be able to see those? The instructions it came with warned that too much sun would lead to leaves with spots on them.

Also keep in mind that a "weak" stem for me is one that can't stand up on it's own (even without flowers) which is (as I understand it) pretty much any orchid.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 26, 2013 03:22 PM (/0Nh2)

366 Oh nohes don't put me in the barrell...... oh mah!

Posted by: cut'n'paste bondage freaks at February 26, 2013 03:22 PM (KXm42)

367 So are you still allowed to fart in FL?

***

Do you have the proper paperwork?

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 03:22 PM (Hx5uv)

368 Come to think f it, this wasn't at the state level. It was at the county level. In either case....

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 26, 2013 03:22 PM (HDgX3)

369 Once again, the slippery slope argument proves it's case. At the time seat belt laws were argued against as being the camel's nose under the tent and they were ridiculed and castigated for being hysterical in their conclusions. By the usual suspects, the State Media.

We see now that they were prescient.

Question is: how do we get back?


Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 03:22 PM (GFM2b)

370 15
If the jackass FHP just stood there watching and did not try to stop him, isn't he an accomplice to the crime?

Nope.
Strangely enough, LEOs have no duty to stop an active crime. Not even
to save human lives. They can just sit and watch, then come arrest the
perpetrator later.

Yes. Really.


NO REALLY. LEO have a sworn duty to aid anyone in an active crime.

I am an EMT. I MUST stop at an accident or be accused of abandonment.

You the guy that has the blog? Go back over there.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 26, 2013 03:22 PM (wR+pz)

371 >>>Just because they can doesn't mean it's not totalitarian if they do.

Um, actually no. It DOES mean that it's not totalitarian. (Do you actually even know what that word means? You sling it like you think it's an impressive-sounding synonym for "shit the State does to me that I don't like" but it has nothing to do with that and everything do with imposing control over not merely public actions but private belief through imposition of thought control.) Were we to accept what you have so glibly stated then we would suddenly find, much to our dismay, that we have all suddenly become Noam Chomsky disciples, shrieking that the United States has REALLY been a totalitarian government since 1781.

To hold the Police Power of the individual states to be "totalitarian" is to say that not only Anglo-Saxon law, but the Enlightenment as well, are totalitarian.

Instead, I think you're just being a bit stupid.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 03:23 PM (/COnL)

372 Someone who can't take care of themselves because they dashed their
brains out in a tragic accident, is precisely who welfare is for.


Ummm... no.

Well, yes it is, but that still accepts the premise that I am responsible to pay out of my own pocket for such "tragic accidents." I reject that premise. Why should I, in Dallas, TX, be forced (on pain of imprisonment) to pay for the upkeep (however "deserved") of someone in Bangor, ME?

For generations we had other ways to take care of such people- and used them, by and large. In point of fact, it is those cases which are being used to shield the rest of the scam. Thus, we need to confront this reality- I am not (or at least should not be) financially responsible for every hard-luck case (however real and tragic) in the United States.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 03:23 PM (xN73L)

373 358
Here if you get a speeding ticket you can go down to the municipal court
and plead guilty to a non-moving violation and pay a bigger fine to the
city. They get the money and you get to avoid a 4 point violation that
will increase your insurance costs for three years.


Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2013 03:20 PM (53z96)

That's a straight up protection racket.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 03:23 PM (xAtAj)

374 316
I wonder how many actual laws exist in the US. Its got to be over a million. And 25% of them probably conflict.

It was just a few years ago that it became legal in my state to collect rain water on my own property.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2013 03:14 PM (p/cQy)

Colorado, right? It figures that the elected douchenozzles who think that they're intellectually capable of telling other people what to do would come up with a law that asinine. I hate them all, especially those who make politics a career. They should die in a fire while I watch and laugh.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 26, 2013 03:23 PM (7xPCu)

375 WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 03:21 PM (Hx5uv)

More like non compos mentis.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 03:23 PM (qyv02)

376 375 WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 03:21 PM (Hx5uv)

More like non compos mentis.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 03:23 PM (qyv02)

Is that legalese for failure to compost uneaten Mentos?

Posted by: model_1066 at February 26, 2013 03:24 PM (7xPCu)

377 OK, but blow up girlfriends are still OK, right?

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 03:24 PM (Hx5uv)

378 358 Here if you get a speeding ticket you can go down to the municipal court and plead guilty to a non-moving violation and pay a bigger fine to the city. They get the money and you get to avoid a 4 point violation that will increase your insurance costs for three years.
Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2013 03:20 PM (53z96)

That's a straight up protection racket.


Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 03:23 PM (xAtAj)



Yup. And it happens in a lot of municipalities.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 03:24 PM (4df7R)

379 This is fucking ridiculous.

Posted by: Obvious Man at February 26, 2013 03:24 PM (epWQP)

380 Best. Post. Ever.

Posted by: Sphynx at February 26, 2013 03:24 PM (OZmbA)

381 Clear, concise and to the point.

And under Obama Executive Order 5963, illegal.

Posted by: Sphynx at February 26, 2013 03:25 PM (OZmbA)

382 Civil War II starts in 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: Roy


Shitty phrasing.

It's the US Revolution, Part II.
"This time it really is personal."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 26, 2013 03:25 PM (Ipj15)

383 We can talk about this all we want, of course, but we're missing the BIG question, which is would this man have been arrested if he'd released these balloons in Kyrzhakstan?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (4df7R)

384
As Ace noted, the point of these is to control the populace. These silly laws become the high misdemeanors or felonies they are specifically for reducing the ability to own a gun.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (p/cQy)

385 My bet? As Paul Harvey said, what is the "rest of the story"


I think something is going on here. They know each other, he's been dumped?


Why is he there. This smells of BS.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (wR+pz)

386 And I'm listening to "Police Truck" by the Dead Kennedys now.

Dispatch calls are we doing something wicked
No siree Jack, we're just giving tickets

Posted by: model_1066 at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (7xPCu)

387 Good point, Allen. I submit to you that it still should be easier to prove that healthy people on a lifetime welfare program is more offensive than some schmuck who got sideswiped while not wearing a seat belt.

One of these things is deliberate fraud and a crime, not both of them.

Posted by: lauraw at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (YzUDF)

388 It was just a few years ago that it became legal in my state to collect rain water on my own property.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk


It's ILLEGAL in Oregon.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (GFM2b)

389 Think of the absurdity of the charge "a crime against the environment." The environment is nota person. You can not committ a crime against a rock (rocks have rights, too?).
The inmates are in control of the asylum--no surprise here.

Posted by: T at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (BnFqJ)

390 It may be a racket but it beats the hell out of three years of insurance doubling.

Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (53z96)

391 Also, you are not going to get a fucking DA to bring this to court. PERIOD.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (wR+pz)

392 So... to wander off the reservation a bit... Christie's pretty much a fuck, huh?

Its funny how people that were elected preciesly to stop this abomination that never has gotten to 50% approval think its good for thier careers to bend over.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (t06LC)

393 Seems legit, right? I mean, after Holder was hauled off in chains for Fast Furious, and Obama impeached over it and his virtual abdication of his role of office over Benghazi ...

Oh, FUCK! Neither of those other things ever happened, did they? Ah, well, at least this raper of Gaia will be off the streets, right?

It's never about the environment, or the children. It's about POWER -- as long as the Leftists are in charge.

Posted by: acethepug at February 26, 2013 03:27 PM (l/NFX)

394 Seriously, using the well worn argument concerning quadraplegic applying for welfare after an accident where he wasn't wearing a seat belt. Time for the concerned state to make 4 point harnesses, roll cages, and helmets with head restraints mandatory, along with fire suits, for your own protection of course.

Posted by: maddogg at February 26, 2013 03:28 PM (OlN4e)

395 Unnecessary state intrusion is okay as long as it meets an arbitrary cost/benefit analysis.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 26, 2013 03:28 PM (yCvxi)

396 WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 03:24 PM (Hx5uv)

Just don't fill them with helium.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 03:28 PM (qyv02)

397 I am an outlaw on a daily basis. Don't really know which laws I break, but I know there's probably some. Especially fed. law.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2013 03:28 PM (zLKPJ)

398 "Let's just cut to the endgame and issue people their Sleep Pills, Work Pills, and Sex Pills, and at all other times dose them with libido-reducing sedatives. So that everyone is nicely compliant and in perpetually peaceful service to the State."

Cue the REAVERS!

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at February 26, 2013 03:28 PM (dDQqO)

399 388It was just a few years ago that it became legal in my state to collect rain water on my own property.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk


It's ILLEGAL in Oregon.Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (GFM2b)
What the fuck?

Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 03:28 PM (+xmn4)

400 Right, until your brain-damaged ass wants welfare, etc., etc. No, there is no justification for not wearing a seatbelt, period. What possible disadvantage is there to wearing one?
Posted by: SFGoth at February 26, 2013 02:59 PM (dZ756)


Nice strawman you're fucking there, asswipe. How about I come after you when your Big Mac-clogged arteries or your syphilitic-ridden body wants welfare? There's no justification for eating a greasy hamburger or fucking your chancre-dripping dogslut of a mother, either.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 26, 2013 03:28 PM (zF6Iw)

401 It's ILLEGAL in Oregon.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (GFM2b)

Its illegal in most States out West. You also have to be careful in buying property out West as the mineral rights, and in some cases the water rights, are separate from the property.

Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2013 03:28 PM (53z96)

402 355 So are you still allowed to fart in FL?

Posted by: CDR M at February 26, 2013 03:19 PM (cqZXM)



Yes. But you have to have an Environmental Impact Study before receiving your license.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 26, 2013 03:28 PM (ZAT/c)

403 It's ILLEGAL in Oregon.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (GFM2b)

So if you leave a bucket outside when it's raining, then you'll probably have a SWAT team shooting your pets and pistol whipping your grandmother.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 26, 2013 03:28 PM (7xPCu)

404 I am an outlaw on a daily basis. Don't really know which laws I break, but I know there's probably some. Especially fed. law.

I cut tags off mattresses and pillows.


You'll never stop me J-Nap! Hahahaha!!!!!

Posted by: EC at February 26, 2013 03:29 PM (GQ8sn)

405 All of us down at the Brattleboro Woman’s Reproductive and Pregnancy Decision Center think he should be jailed. What if a small animal or bird swallows one of these deflated mylar balloon? The animal will suffer a agonizing death plus health does mylar affect the environment with inducing global warming. Why are peeple so stewped and thinking about the consequences when they do such things?????

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at February 26, 2013 03:29 PM (3lMGK)

406
"I believe that again health care (though not government paid for at that time) was cited as one of the reasons why it was a reasonable seizure of a citizens rights"
Sort of. That was the biggest push for the first "passive restraint" system - 74's "starter interlock" fiasco. The later push for mandatory state seatbelt laws came from the "passive restraint" push in the 80's (recalling Ralph Nader's two step @ his line "I'll buy the first car with two front seat airbags" - then pointed out to him that was a Porsche 944...) in which automakers agreed to support an 80% rule - in that as long as 80% of the population were covered by a manditory seat belt law, said passive regs wouldn't kick in... a sorry episode in American Federal Regulatory Action.

Posted by: Jess1 at February 26, 2013 03:29 PM (lbiWb)

407 I really enjoyed your essay. Wanna buy some pipe? We gots the elbow pipes. We got lead pipe, aluminum pipe, PVC, and water. Buy some of these pipes right now. Have your CC# ready, cuz pipe heaven is just a short click away.

Posted by: Pipe Selling Spam Bot at February 26, 2013 03:29 PM (yn6XZ)

408 Do you know how many stupid ballons they released into the air in Newtown for all the kid's funerals? No one was arrested for that.

Posted by: Jaimo at February 26, 2013 03:30 PM (9U1OG)

409 By the time you're done, your court costs will be more than the ticket would have been, meaning people only fight such things when there is something else at stake such as losing your license or jail time.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 03:12 PM (xN73L)


Increased insurance rates. Trust me, my boss charges a crapton to handle even basic tickets mainly because he hates doing them. Depending on the client's situation, it's still far cheaper to hire him to handle even the most basic ticket because he can get it reduced to a non-moving violation and thus save the hit on insurance.

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 26, 2013 03:30 PM (VtjlW)

410 In Houston we get taxed on the amount of rain runoff on our property.

Posted by: polynikes at February 26, 2013 03:31 PM (CNuph)

411 @358


SC has cleaned up it's ticket shit somewhat , much to the disappointment of most citizens. HP officers use to take your "fine" in cash and amazingly your ticket never showed up. Worked for everyone.

Now the poor cops are been cut out of the system and the city is taking the bribe.

I liked the old system.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 26, 2013 03:31 PM (wR+pz)

412 "One of these things is deliberate fraud and a crime, not both of them.


Posted by: lauraw at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (YzUDF)"



No no, you see, state intrusiveness is cool and shit as long as it's for your own good. The libertarians on this thread have decreed it.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 26, 2013 03:31 PM (yCvxi)

413 365...Mites?Shouldn't I be able to see those? The instructions it came with warned that too much sun would lead to leaves with spots on them.

They're teensy tiny little fuckers.
So you won't see them very easily.
Then only time I've seen them...is floating on top of the water, after I emersed the whole plant in a bucket.
They will float, like a white sheen of powder, on the top of the water.

Too much sun looks like sunburn...not spots.

Also keep in mind that a "weak" stem for me is one that can't stand up on it's own (even without flowers) which is (as I understand it) pretty much any orchid.

A healthy bloom spike is usually quite rigid...once it gets longer than a few inches.
You need to stake them, to make them grow upright.
In the forrest...the bloom spikes go out at right angles to the orchid plants, which are usually attached to a tree.

Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 03:31 PM (eyJSG)

414 407 I really enjoyed your essay. Wanna buy some pipe? We gots the elbow pipes. We got lead pipe, aluminum pipe, PVC, and water. Buy some of these pipes right now. Have your CC# ready, cuz pipe heaven is just a short click away.
Posted by: Pipe Selling Spam Bot at February 26, 2013 03:29 PM (yn6XZ)

Lead pipe isn't legal, but tell me more about your water pipes...hippie reeferfreaks are discerning that way.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 26, 2013 03:31 PM (7xPCu)

415 Chris Christie to switch parties in 3...2...1...

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 03:31 PM (wbmaj)

416 >>>Unnecessary state intrusion is okay as long as it meets an arbitrary cost/benefit analysis.

You don't seem to understand: I'm not having an argument about what I would LIKE. I'm having an argument about what's LEGAL, and pointing out that things like seat-belt laws don't represent some sort of new category-level "big government" intrusion, but rather fall squarely into the box of the sorts of things that states have always, since before the Founding, had the right to regulate. I may not like it, you may not like it, but that's not the discussion we're having here. The discussion here is whether this represents some sort of new, Orwellian invasion of the state into our individual rights. And it doesn't, however dumb these laws may or may not be.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 03:32 PM (/COnL)

417
Why is it illegal to collect rainwater on your property?

Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 03:32 PM (+xmn4)

418 "A criminal code must track with the basic human sense of right and wrong." So when laws become nothing more than a multiplicity of regulations rather than true laws they cedeany moral code. If they're just rules that some one else has made, then we are all free to make our own rules, each to our own advantage. The game breaks down, anarchy prevails.
What some people should do in this case is get about 100 (1,000?) people together in one place and each release helium-filled mylar balloons. Let's see how theFHP does trying to arrest 1,000 people.

Posted by: T at February 26, 2013 03:32 PM (BnFqJ)

419 Didn't all of this shit start in IIRC the '20's when they starting using "Case Law" instead of following the Constitution?

Well, case law says in this instance, you can do this because this rule/law applies.

That's why you can't get through an entire day without breaking a law.

Posted by: Infidel at February 26, 2013 03:32 PM (O/fK8)

420 415 Chris Christie to switch parties in 3...2...1...
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 03:31 PM (wbmaj)

He's just following the catered buffets.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 26, 2013 03:33 PM (7xPCu)

421 NO REALLY. LEO have a sworn duty to aid anyone in an active crime.

I am an EMT. I MUST stop at an accident or be accused of abandonment.


An accident is a) different and b) seldom "active" when you arrive. Also, Firefighters and EMTs have a slightly different set of rules.

However, LEO has no duty to prevent crime. This has been born out in court cases (I'm pretty sure Vic keeps a folder of them somewhere ) on several occasions. LEO have no "duty" to put themselves at risk (and I know that is also true of Firefighters- if they want, they can just stand back and watch as your house burns- and, indeed, usually do if there's no chance that it's going to spread to other houses).

Every time you hear the local FD Spox saying "We pulled back for the safety of the officers..." that's what they're referring to. They don't have a duty to fight the fire to the point they might die (again, with firefighters it's a slightly different standard).

In general, LEO WILL act to stop or prevent crime, but the courts say (whatever the law says) that they have no duty to do so.

I'll go so far as to say this: I don't want LEO to have a duty to prevent crime. That means that they're acting on their own judgement far more than I want or trust. Speeding is a crime (misdemeanor). If they have a duty to prevent it, what is to stop them from stopping random cars because they believed a crime was about to be committed? Suspicion of desire to speed would become a chargeable offense.

LEO exists to respond to crime, and to arrest criminals who have already committed a crime. It does not exist to prevent any crime.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 03:33 PM (xN73L)

422 Lead pipe isn't legal, but tell me more about your water pipes...hippie reeferfreaks are discerning that way.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 26, 2013 03:31 PM (7xPCu)

It's now illegal to build a new house with PVC pipe too. Can't be having that because the plumbers union wants copper.

Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2013 03:33 PM (53z96)

423 417
Why is it illegal to collect rainwater on your property?
Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 03:32 PM (+xmn4)


Because assholes have to be assholes.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 26, 2013 03:33 PM (7xPCu)

424 A healthy bloom spike is usually quite rigid...once it gets longer than a few inches.
You need to stake them, to make them grow upright.
Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 03:31 PM (eyJSG)


Dirty florist talk.

Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 03:34 PM (+xmn4)

425 Most of those municipalities that use those plea down charges use traffic tickets as an income source. The police are instructed to find ways to maximize those charges in lieu of other efforts.

example: The police know the traffic patterns on their beats very well. They know where and when they are most likely to find violators.

A speed trap is a well known example. They then cite you with a lesser offense because they know that if they use a speeding charge that threatens your insurance and license, you are more likely to attempt to adjudicate the ticket. For many of these speed traps, the municipality risks having their actions found to be faulty or illegal which puts them politically at risk.

Thus is born the cop out lesser charge to persuade you to pay the money and let it go. It's why prosecutors over charge a defendant and why plea deals exist. They ain't doing you no favors.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 03:34 PM (qyv02)

426
In Houston we get taxed on the amount of rain runoff on our property. Posted by: polynikes at February 26, 2013 03:31 PM (CNuph)


--- We do?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 26, 2013 03:34 PM (R8hU8)

427 >>>Didn't all of this shit start in IIRC the '20's when they starting using "Case Law" instead of following the Constitution?

Um...wow. I'm going to quote Wolfgang Pauli here: "that's not right...that's not even wrong." In other words, there are so many things wrong with this question that it's practically nonsensical.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 03:35 PM (/COnL)

428 After due consideration we believe surrender is the best policy. Young man: give up! You cannot win. The government is wiser and better than any one individual anyway.

Posted by: Senators Alexander, Ayotte, Blunt, Burr, Chambliss, Coburn, Cochran, Collins, Corker, Flake, Graham at February 26, 2013 03:35 PM (B5y+v)

429 @417

Just guessing its because rain is scarce and rain collected can't enter the groundwater system. The law was probably drafted with huge commercial water tanks in mind for irrigation but was done so poorly affecting homeowners with cisterns.

And water can be militarized into "assault water" which has been a leading cause of death.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 03:35 PM (t06LC)

430 >>>Just because they can doesn't mean it's not totalitarian if they do.

Um, actually no. It DOES mean that it's not totalitarian.>>

totalitarian

[toh-tal-i-tair-ee-uhn] Show IPA adjective
1.of or pertaining to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life.

2.exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; authoritarian; autocratic.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 26, 2013 03:35 PM (81UWZ)

431 Because assholes have to be assholes. <- Hey, quit stealing my shit!

Posted by: Confusius says... at February 26, 2013 03:35 PM (yn6XZ)

432 let's combine this everything is illegal bullshit with the rise of bureaucrat ninjas who will use a swat team to arrest you for minor paperwork issues.

the left views government regulations (except for buttsex) with the same awe and reverence that they do for government spending, every dollar and every line is sacred and no law will ever be stricken.

The GOP could make hay with this issue, if they only believed in issues.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at February 26, 2013 03:35 PM (QxSug)

433 I recently had my funding cut out from under me in my PhD program. Mixture of budget cuts and my advisor cutting bait.

Local job with work related to my research has caught my eye, and I'm in the running for it. Might just go make an honest living instead and support my wife with a real salary.

Pray that I don't get my hopes too high, and pray that he leads me down the right path when it comes to decide to trudge on in the PhD program or cut and run.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 03:35 PM (xAtAj)

434 >>>Seriously, what's the defense?

Could take a crack at cruel and unusual.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 26, 2013 03:36 PM (0q2P7)

435 >>>What if a small animal or bird swallows one of these deflated mylar balloon?

You mean they eat those things?

Stupid fucks deserve to die, IMHO.

Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at February 26, 2013 03:36 PM (3ZtZW)

436 Why is it illegal to collect rainwater on your property?
Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 03:32 PM (+xmn4)


------------------------------------------


Because shut the fuck up, that's why.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2013 03:36 PM (zLKPJ)

437 Chris Christie to switch parties in 3...2...1...

Me saying I hope the door doesn't hit him in the ass immediately after. We get FOUR MORE YEARS of this bullshit and I won't lay the entire blame at his fat feet, but if he's still so stupid he doesn't want to accept a little blame, then fuck him.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 26, 2013 03:36 PM (feFL6)

438 I'm sorry I'm at post 400+, but the fault of this lies exclusively with lawyers and law schools.

There is nothing bad that can happen to law schools that is not good for America.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 26, 2013 03:36 PM (T0NGe)

439 But, unless there is some sort of federal field preemption, everything else is fair game for an individual state to regulate.

So again what you are saying is that what is not constitutionally proscribed is fair game for the state and I should shut up and eat my fiber. My argument is less with the state in this case and more with your mindset of caring for me.

May your chains rest lightly upon you.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 03:36 PM (QupBk)

440 All the helium party balloons released in greater Los Angeles basin?

They float over hill and dale for a few hours and then settle on the desert floor in the Mojave/ Death Valley region. The desert sun shrivels them into tiny little multicolored latex raisons no bigger than a split pea.

Posted by: 13times at February 26, 2013 03:36 PM (h6XiD)

441 Lawyers and Marxists talk about justice, so how is this justice in any conceivable way?

Not just this case, but our Three Felonies a Day lifestyle?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 26, 2013 03:37 PM (T0NGe)

442 429 @417

Just guessing its because rain is scarce and rain collected can't enter the groundwater system. The law was probably drafted with huge commercial water tanks in mind for irrigation but was done so poorly affecting homeowners with cisterns.

And water can be militarized into "assault water" which has been a leading cause of death.
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 03:35 PM (t06LC)


As far as Colorado is concerned, this state supplies water to 17 other, lesser states and gets squat in return. So the pressure from mismanaged liberal shitholes like California leads to inane laws like that. My best guess, anyway.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 26, 2013 03:38 PM (7xPCu)

443 @419

Case law or common law has been around since english law. It usually works really well for liberty (at least prior to the New Deal). Every state save one is based off the common law system.
Louisiana uses the Napoleonic code, which is frankly insane.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 03:38 PM (t06LC)

444 429 - Thanks, that helps clarify a bit.

Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 03:38 PM (+xmn4)

445 Reminds me of bannings.

Posted by: Tool at February 26, 2013 03:38 PM (11Tdq)

446 What if a small animal or bird swallows one of these deflated mylar balloon?

You mean they eat those things?

Stupid fucks deserve to die, IMHO. Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at February 26, 2013 03:36 PM (3ZtZW)--- Thats why you can't throw rice at a wedding anymore unless its cooked

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 26, 2013 03:39 PM (R8hU8)

447 I'm proud to say that I've introduced a new bill making it illegal to give mylar balloons to girlfriends on Valentines Day. I'm seeking your support for this long-overdue measure. Please consider sending me money.

Posted by: Diane Feinstein at February 26, 2013 03:39 PM (B5y+v)

448 Have we hit bottom yet?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 03:39 PM (wbmaj)

449 Have we hit bottom yet?

And begun to dig.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 03:40 PM (QupBk)

450 It's ILLEGAL in Oregon.



Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 03:26 PM (GFM2b)

Its
illegal in most States out West. You also have to be careful in buying
property out West as the mineral rights, and in some cases the water
rights, are separate from the property.


Posted by: Vic at February 26, 2013 03:28 PM (53z96)

Wait what?!Meanwhile my city is busy actively encouraging people to start collecting rain water as a way of preventing downstream contamination of our watersheds (which are water supplies for smaller cities south of here.)Seriously. They'll pay for your rain barrels. (I considered it, but our gutters are mostly buried already. And the ones that aren't the ones I'd love to fix are on the front of the house so it'd look really ugly.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 26, 2013 03:41 PM (/0Nh2)

451 You wingnuts just don't get. When the HE reaches the upper atmosphere, it combines with the overpressurized CO2, and creates ECO2H. That shit'll melt your face off and can cause spot on apples!

Posted by: Greenie Weenie at February 26, 2013 03:41 PM (yn6XZ)

452 I submit to you that it still should be easier to prove that healthy
people on a lifetime welfare program is more offensive than some schmuck
who got sideswiped while not wearing a seat belt.


Certainly it should be. I wish it were. If (and it's a big if) we could really just get rid of the "waste, fraud, and abuse" I probably wouldn't have a problem with Medicaid (except for the part where it's Federally mandated- but that's a different facet of this whole argument). Unfortunately, any time someone says they want to cut Medicaid (or Social Security) the stories are never about Joe, the guy who's claiming disability for a back problem, but goes fishing every weekend. They're never about Sue, the girl who doesn't have insurance because her mom has seven kids by six different men and has figured out that it's easier to rely on "the system" than to actually get off her rear-end and work for a living.

No, the stories are always about Jim, the poor man who lost his legs in a tragic accident, and all he ever knew was farming. The stories are always about Mary, the little girl whose parents both lost their jobs and haven't been able to find good work since.

And the public screams "NO! You can't cut that!"

So we need to fight that premise. No matter how bad their situations are, Jim and Mary are not my responsibility (as a taxpayer- as a Christian and a private citizen are a different matter). Until we hammer that home, we'll never be able to get at the other.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 03:41 PM (xN73L)

453 There is a fairly standard way of overcoming a criminal offense by arguing that the statute violated is unconstitutionally vague -- the "void for vagueness" argument. But it applies to the language of individual statutes.

The problem nowadays, that this story highlights, is that the main vagueness of the law as currently promulgated doesn't come from imprecise language in individual statutes, it comes from the sheer volume of statutes that no human being could possibly know and hold in his mind as he goes about what used to be called "human existence," and now apparently can be called "criminality" whenever a cop happens to see you doing it.

Posted by: The Regular Guy at February 26, 2013 03:42 PM (qHCyt)

454 For $500,000 you can release all the balloons you want.On the South lawn too. Sure, it's a crime, but we in the administration are above the law. To participate in this limited time offer, just hit the tip jar and come on down to D.C.

Posted by: OFA at February 26, 2013 03:42 PM (B5y+v)

455 I wonder how many actual laws exist in the US. Its got to be over a million. And 25% of them probably conflict.

It was just a few years ago that it became legal in my state to collect rain water on my own property.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2013 03:14 PM (p/cQy)


I know I've mentioned this before but this is the perfect spot to bring it up again. Boy BFF's last job was at a psych hospital. Due to HIPAA and state regulations regarding patient records, those records had to be kept in a locked room. The file room was located in the middle of an area that was a secondary fire escape route thus the doors must always remain unlocked. The building was a historic building so no major exterior work could be done and it was impossible to reconfigure the interior without implicating load bearing walls that would, in turn, require major exterior renovations. It was quite literally physically impossible to comply with all the laws. I suggested a tunnel and he said he had thought about it but that would run into the gas and water lines. None of the agencies cared that it was physically impossible to comply. Fuck you, pay me.


Oh, I'm sorry, you didn't use that additive that doesn't actually exist even though we mandated its use? Fuck you, pay me.

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 26, 2013 03:42 PM (VtjlW)

456 The discussion here is whether this represents some sort of new, Orwellian invasion of the state into our individual rights.

It is still new to me, which I guess is the odd benefit of being older. I remember when cars didn't come with lap belts unless you paid extra for them.

And get off my lawn.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 03:43 PM (QupBk)

457 I'm having an argument about what's LEGAL, and pointing out that things like seat-belt laws don't represent some sort of new category-level "big government" intrusion, but rather fall squarely into the box of the sorts of things that states have always, since before the Founding, had the right to regulate.

But my argument, Jeff, is that the federal government ordering states (such as NH) to institute mandatory seatbelt laws or they will not get federal transportation monies is "big government intrusion." It puts a metaphorical gun to a state's head and says "which do you like more, your money or your freedom?"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 26, 2013 03:43 PM (zF6Iw)

458 >>>The Constitution (at least after incorporation of the Bill of Rights...a
separate story) enumerates a list of inherent rights upon which the
government cannot infringe. But, unless there is some sort of federal
field preemption, everything else is fair game for an individual state to regulate.
Whether you like it or not. You could have gotten Madison, Jefferson,
Adams, Washington, Hamilton, and Jay together in a room and literally
every single one of them would have agreed with this premise.

They may agree with that SINGULAR premise. But their ideas of governance were a lot bigger than their concepts of constitutional federalism. I doubt you would ever get more than Hamilton and Jay to agree that requiring you as a matter of law to wear a safety restraint while traveling was the proper prevue for ANY level of government.

That is "I know better and shall make your decisions for you" at its very core.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 26, 2013 03:43 PM (0q2P7)

459 OT but The Jersey Donut is on Twitter crowing about how much money he's spending. Fat fuck.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 26, 2013 03:43 PM (ZAT/c)

460 @439

Thats the way it was supposed to be designed on purpose. The most intrusive laws having the greatest impact were to be administered at the local levels.
Why?
Because, protesting an unjust law to a bunch of faceless mandarins at the EPA won't do any good. If you get several hundred people at the state house, people start to notice. If you get that many at city hall, you probably will change the law.

I personally think that we need to adopt the "sword of state" approach like the isle of man. Let Obama read off the new laws made each year whilist a person appointed and answerable only to the people holds a sword to the nape of his neck. Bad laws have consequences to the lawmaker in such a system.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 03:43 PM (t06LC)

461 WTF? Fuck Florida, I'm leaving!

Posted by: Cato at February 26, 2013 03:43 PM (rxf50)

462 I recently had my funding cut out from under me in my PhD program. Mixture of budget cuts and my advisor cutting bait.

Local
job with work related to my research has caught my eye, and I'm in the
running for it. Might just go make an honest living instead and support
my wife with a real salary.

Pray that I don't get my hopes too
high, and pray that he leads me down the right path when it comes to
decide to trudge on in the PhD program or cut and run.


Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 26, 2013 03:35 PM (xAtAj)

"Cut an run."Or "cut and continue on someone else's dime." Most places will cut a deal allowing you to finish your PhD.This one I'm working on has brought me nothing but hardship and missed opportunities I think sometimes. More doors are being closed in my face than when I cut open mice.I'm still banking on "upward mobility." (there's not much of that in the "Mice chopping up" field in fact my guess is I was already at the top of my ladder.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 26, 2013 03:43 PM (/0Nh2)

463 They float over hill and dale for a few hours and then settle on the desert floor in the Mojave/ Death Valley region.

***

Did they call it Death Valley before the balloons were released?

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 03:44 PM (Hx5uv)

464 Just guessing its because rain is scarce and rain collected can't enter the groundwater system. The law was probably drafted with huge commercial water tanks in mind for irrigation but was done so poorly affecting homeowners with cisterns. And water can be militarized into "assault water" which has been a leading cause of death. Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 03:35 PM (t06LC)

Well if it were up here in New England my guess would be because standing water can lead to mosquitoes, which can lead to the transmission of EEE and West Nile. But I don't think those things are as troublesome in Oregon, if they're even a factor at all. And to the best of my knowledge no one in New England has yet outlawed collecting rain water.So I'm flummoxed.

But as this thread shows, who cares what knowledge we have about what's legal and what isn't?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 03:44 PM (4df7R)

465 Jury Nullification.

There, I said it.

It's time.

Say that in law circles and you'd get a better reception if you'd have called their mom a two-bit whore giving out handjobs to teenagers in the trailerpark.

It's time.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 26, 2013 03:44 PM (VjL9S)

466 This crime screams "death penalty".

Posted by: Craig Poe at February 26, 2013 03:44 PM (BVkEs)

467 @421

Actually, I am not sure what you mean buy "Active". People are fucking dying, actively. So, actively, I have to stop.

I am a cop. I see a man pull out a gun at a McDonalds. What do I do?

Must wait till he uses it? Allen, you are simply wrong here. Cops MUST intercede, if they do not they are subject to dereliction of duty and negligence.

Where, pray god, did you come up with the idea cops are not subject to the rules of law?

The burden for a cop is simply is this a crime or could it lead to a crime? The cop has no obligation to stop a guy walking out of a bar with an open container, but he should. I will give you that, but witnessing the commission of a felony, what this guy swore too, could have been stopped before the "deadly" balloons were released.

This "crime" will not be prosecuted.


Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 26, 2013 03:44 PM (wR+pz)

468 Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 03:32 PM (/COnL)


This is an excellent example of why you will always be dragged further and further to the left.


On a side note, many states before the founding had a right to regulate many things which our state expressly decided it didn't have the right to regulate after its founding.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 26, 2013 03:45 PM (yCvxi)

469 Um...wow. I'm going to quote Wolfgang Pauli here: "that's not right...that's not even wrong." In other words, there are so many things wrong with this question that it's practically nonsensical.

So I'm misreading Langdell?

Posted by: Infidel at February 26, 2013 03:45 PM (O/fK8)

470 459OT but The Jersey Donut is on Twitter crowing about how much money he's spending. Fat fuck. Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 26, 2013 03:43 PM (ZAT/c)

So exactly how much does a blowjob from Springsteen run these days?

Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 03:46 PM (+xmn4)

471 Ace:

Instapundit links to this, which perfectly manifests what you've highlighted:

http://tinyurl.com/by3rgt4

An excerpt:

The DOJ has told Congressional investigators that Aaron’s prosecution was motivated by his political views on copyright.

"I was going to start that last paragraph with “In a stunning turn of events,” but I realized that would be inaccurate — because it’s really not that surprising. Many people speculated throughout the whole ordeal that this was a political prosecution, motivated by anything/everything from Aaron’s effective campaigning against SOPA to his run-ins with the FBI over the PACER database. But Aaron actually didn’t believe it was — he thought it was overreach by some local prosecutors who didn’t really understand the internet and just saw him as a high-profile scalp they could claim, facilitated by a criminal justice system and computer crime laws specifically designed to give prosecutors, however incompetent or malicious, all the wrong incentives and all the power they could ever want."

Its about how Holder's DOJ acknowledges that the persecution of Aaron Swartz, righteous liberal, for phony crimes was politically motivated by top shelf Democrats seeking to further the anti-piracy agenda and destroy a prominent advocate for openness.

I'm guessing Swarts wasn't one of Holder's "people."

We live in hybrid banana republic - its got all the corruption (and then some), but is leavened by fascism. Its always exponentially worse when the Democrats are in charge, since there is no DMM oversight, and their voters are almost without exception completely unprincipled drones to begin with, who would never hold their Tribal leaders to account for corruption or idiocy...because that might help the 2-minute hate despised Republicans.

Posted by: Eat Locals... at February 26, 2013 03:46 PM (ez58q)

472 Nap time. BBL

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 26, 2013 03:46 PM (wR+pz)

473 447 I'm proud to say that I've introduced a new bill making it illegal to give mylar balloons to girlfriends on Valentines Day. I'm seeking your support for this long-overdue measure. Please consider sending me money.

Please post a pic of you at your presser holding the menacing baloon. Puh-lease...

Posted by: Bozo the Clown at February 26, 2013 03:47 PM (EGPJQ)

474 I saw Total Rekall last night on DVD (some shmuck gave it to me for Christmas). It sucked balls. I wish I was reading a 5,000 word critique about how the chicklette with 3 boobehs wasn't important to the plot- instead of this scintilating thread.

Posted by: Movie Buff at February 26, 2013 03:47 PM (yn6XZ)

475 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 26, 2013 03:44 PM (4df7R)

MO's got a huge problem with Mosquitos and disease.
Yet we can still collect the water, so I doubt that's it. (Granted, IIRC, Rain barrels must be used, which are sealed so bugs can't get in or out easily.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 26, 2013 03:47 PM (/0Nh2)

476 In Florida, anything which is not mandatory is prohibited.

Posted by: Beagle at February 26, 2013 03:47 PM (qQC2P)

477 Can we start some kind of reverse comic strip just about stupid laws?

-----

An updated 'Government: Believe It or Not!' comic.

Posted by: RickZ at February 26, 2013 03:47 PM (CPKp2)

478 He should get 12 years. One for each balloon.

Posted by: Peeta at February 26, 2013 03:48 PM (U7XyJ)

479 That man should have been arrested. Who knows? He and his girlfriend might get married and produce :::gasp:::: legitimate children! And those children might grow up with a real father and become responsible people instead of members of the FSA!

You know the Marxist state can't have that nonsense.

Posted by: baldilocks on iPad at February 26, 2013 03:49 PM (cHn3S)

480 Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 26, 2013 03:44 PM (wR+pz)

The actual lawsuit wasn't about whether LE has a duty to defend. It was about the citizen having the RIGHT to be defended.

LE of course is required to act by either law or regulation let alone moral judgment.

However the court found that citizens do not have a right to the police acting.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 03:51 PM (qyv02)

481 How can it be littering when the balloons were not seen to land within Fla jurisdiction? For all we know, some cuban entrepreneur turned them into mylar rubbers for German sex-tourists to use....

Posted by: Eat Locals... at February 26, 2013 03:51 PM (ez58q)

482
If memory serves...

When Mylar was invented, and used in food packaging...it was applauded by the greenies, as a way to prolong food life without preservatives or evil refrigeration.

Just like the way the greenies were against Paper Bags because 'Save The Trees You Guys'.
Plastic bags were the new big thing.

Polution is not a good thing...and we should avoid it.
I've had to clean up illegal dumping on a piece of family property.
So I know how bad it can get.

But the Marxist bureaucrats are taking this waay too far.
They deserve maximum mockage for their totalitarian overreach.




Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 03:51 PM (eyJSG)

483 So exactly how much does a blowjob from Springsteen run these days?
Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 03:46 PM (+xmn4)

I'm pretty sure Christie's the one on his knees.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 03:52 PM (qyv02)

484 The burden for a cop is simply is this a crime or could it lead to a crime?

Tell that to the courts.

Also, do you not see the problem in "could it lead to a crime?" Let's say I'm in an open carry state. I have my gun holstered but visible, and I get in a (very) heated argument with someone. At what point do we get to "could it lead to a crime?" Is it during the argument? Is it when I put my hand on the butt of my gun? Is it when I pull it out?

I submit that, not until I have pulled the trigger (and sometimes not even then) is there a crime. "Could it lead to a crime" says "it's a judgement call" and any of those times would make it REQUIRED for law enforcement to intervene. And that's just stupid.

A cop has no responsibility to risk his life to save a drowning man, and he has no responsibility (legally) to get between bullets and other victims. Once the crime has started (bad guy has started shooting): THEN his duty comes into play, and it is his duty to apprehend the perpetrator forthwith. That it will prevent further crime is a bonus, not part of the cop's duty.

To use the EMT thing as an example- do you have a duty to slide your ambulance between to cars apparently on a collision course, or does your duty kick in after the accident has already occurred?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 03:52 PM (xN73L)

485 AllenG,

Castle Rock v Gonzales

DeShaney v Winnebago County



No duty to protect.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 26, 2013 03:53 PM (ZAT/c)

486
>>>Polution is not a good thing...and we should avoid it.

I've had to clean up illegal dumping on a piece of family property.

So I know how bad it can get.

I think an infraction along with a painful fine would get the job done.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 26, 2013 03:53 PM (0q2P7)

487 It is still new to me, which I guess is the odd benefit of being older.
I remember when cars didn't come with lap belts unless you paid extra
for them.



And they had all those cool dagger-like buttons all across the dashboard.




Posted by: cut'n'paste bondage freaks at February 26, 2013 03:53 PM (KXm42)

488 @483

How the fuck is he going to get up? Anyone got one of those Medicalert necklaces and a small crane?

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 03:53 PM (t06LC)

489 Did the cop recover any of the balloons? If not, how is he going to prove they weren't the bio-degradable kind.

While I generally favor jury nullification in these cases, there is another route - the Governor could fire the cop. The chilling effect would be nice.

Posted by: Jean at February 26, 2013 03:54 PM (AP6/F)

490 It started with the seat belt laws. The cops loved them because they could pull over anybody (most suspicious types didn't wear them anyway), and the only possible evidence was their word.

This didn't work so well at night though, but neither did their previous standby "dirty license plate," so they still had to rely on "failure to stop," and the perpetual favorite -- "failure to maintain lane." which was also probable cause for a dwi.

Then came the MADD incentives for DWI arrests (to the dept, and the individual LEO) and that made it clear that their job, their incentive, was to harass the population. From there it was a small nudge to tyrannical behavior.

Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at February 26, 2013 03:54 PM (zZJJp)

491 Right, until your brain-damaged ass wants welfare, etc., etc. No, there is no justification for not wearing a seatbelt, period.


----------------------------

So why aren't they in school busses?

Posted by: SARDiver at February 26, 2013 03:54 PM (456+v)

492 I once sawed off the barrel of old beater shotgun to exactly 18-1/8" long. It rode around in my truck gun rack until about the 6th time I got pulled over. The law loved to measure that gun.

Posted by: Charts and Darts at February 26, 2013 03:55 PM (pBiXE)

493 PG county in Maryland is even more of a dump than DC! Also, while having lunch at a Wendy's there, young OWS type panhandler got some woman to buy him lunch....as soon as she was gone, he tried getting a 'refund'. The woman behind the counter basically told him to stuff it.

He got 'snooty', and claimed that she had to give him his 'refund', while cutting in front of other people....woman really told him off. It was great. Disgruntled unwashed OWS type slouched away from the counter, and ate his lunch.

Oh....and after she'd confronted him on the fact that another customer had purchased that food for him, (and that she would no way in hell give him so much as a dime), he tried claiming that the food came from a different Wendy's.

So yeah, lunch and a show.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at February 26, 2013 03:55 PM (eyJh9)

494 >>>But my argument, Jeff, is that the federal government ordering states (such as NH) to institute mandatory seatbelt laws or they will not get federal transportation monies is
"big government intrusion." It puts a metaphorical gun to a state's
head and says "which do you like more, your money or your freedom?"


Yes, you'll get no disagreement from on this one. This is the nut of the dispute in Dole v. South Dakota (the issue there being the national law withholding federal highway funding to any state that failed to raise their legal drinking age to 21).

Look, here's the sad truth: law and government have always been held in equilibrium by culture. As I've pointed out above, even a constitutional conservative (of which I am most certainly one) will acknowledge that individual states have a vast compass within which they can regulate or proscribe certain activities...and that was an even larger field before the Supreme Court declared (correctly, in my view) in a series of cases all the way up to Heller (which concerned the 2nd Amendment) that the Bill of Rights didn't just bind the federal government but the individual states as well. The question that I've been tackling here is strictly about what is LEGAL from a conservative jurisprudential perspective. But the real issue is about what is right, good, and moral: aside from liberal judicial activism on the federal level, that has always been governed by American (and state/regional) culture.

It's the sad truth that our culture of American freedom and liberty is slipping away from us over time, and things that would previously created an uproar (and gotten state legislators or judges tossed out of office) are now greeted with a meek "oh well, I guess our betters shall tell us what to do." That is what truly needs repairing.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 26, 2013 03:55 PM (/COnL)

495 While I generally favor jury nullification in these cases, there is another route - the Governor could fire the cop. The chilling effect would be nice.
Posted by: Jean at February 26, 2013 03:54 PM (AP6/F)

Rick Scott.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 03:56 PM (t06LC)

496 And they had all those cool dagger-like buttons all across the dashboard.

The solid steel dashboards. Darwin ran wild in the elder days.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 03:56 PM (QupBk)

497 Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 26, 2013 03:53 PM (ZAT/c)

Thank you. I knew someone would have them.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 03:56 PM (xN73L)

498 Let's just cut to the endgame and issue people their Sleep Pills, Work Pills, and Sex Pills, and at all other times dose them with libido-reducing sedatives. So that everyone is nicely compliant and in perpetually peaceful service to the State.


Meh, its overrated.

Posted by: THX1138 at February 26, 2013 03:56 PM (9h3dB)

499 It's strange that I have to go to a different country nowdays to feel a bit of freedom.

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2013 03:57 PM (3ZiVX)

500 Even stranger is that country is Russia.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 03:58 PM (qyv02)

501 In other news, Gander Mountain near Raleigh NC is hiring for ten (10), count 'em TEN (10) Sales Associates (part time) JUST FOR THEIR FIREARMS DEPT.

Hell, I'll work evenings just to get first crack at ammo.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 26, 2013 03:58 PM (4Mv1T)

502 486...I think an infraction along with a painful fine would get the job done.

Yep, exactly.
And commensurate with the type of poluting.

Intentionally dumping some barrels of toxic chemicals, or oldrefrigerators,should be a much worse infraction....than releasing some mylar ballons.

Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 03:58 PM (eyJSG)

503 >>>Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 03:52 PM

I would tend to agree...in a system of law that requires criminal intent to commit a crime. In a system where criminal intent is not required to commit a crime, and a law officer sees the imminent commission of a crime which *might* reasonably be being done without criminal intent. He *SHOULD* assume the person to be guiltless and act to prevent the commission of said crime.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 26, 2013 03:58 PM (0q2P7)

504 At least my state doesn't prohibit farm fresh milk and eggs.

Yet.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 03:59 PM (QupBk)

505 There is a fairly standard way of overcoming a criminal offense by
arguing that the statute violated is unconstitutionally vague -- the
"void for vagueness" argument.

***

Back when I was on the dark side, I tried this with a client. He had no criminal record but was too tightly wrapped. One of the things he was tightly wrapped about is that his wife had left him, taking his two small sons, and moved in with an ex-con gangbanger. He represented himself in the divorce action. In a custody hearing, his wife called as a witness a police detective who opined that wife was a better parent than him. He crossed the female detective asking her what her qualifications were for making such a judgment. She responded that she had been a cop for X number of years. He then said that that qualified her to judge doughnuts, not parents.

He was a traveling salesman and traveled with a bunch of others in a pack. They would amuse themselves by shooting each other's cars with a somewhat realistic looking handgun that fired red plastic bullets. When he had his sons for visitation, he was complaining in their presence about his wife, their mom. While he was doing this, he was loading the little red plastic bullets into the toy gun.

The detective heard about this and had him arrested, not merely summoned, on a charge of negligent, no injury, emotional child abuse; i.e., he didn't mean to do it and, in fact, no harm was done, but what he was doing might have caused some non-physical injury to the sons. I argued that was vague arguing that if a parent lets a child go to the dance, or prevents her from going to the dance, this statute might be violated. If a football coach cut a kid, this might be violated. The court disagreed and the client wound up talking a sweetheart deal to keep his kids from having to testify against him.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 03:59 PM (Hx5uv)

506 Christie announced he's complying with the Medicaid expansion. Similar justifications as Scott.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 26, 2013 03:59 PM (ZAT/c)

507 So why aren't they in school busses?
Posted by: SARDiver at February 26, 2013 03:54 PM (456+v)


-------------------------------------------


And why aren't they on motorcycles?

Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2013 04:00 PM (3ZiVX)

508 To Allen G's point about the police needing to intervene.

<<Police and Fire Crews Watch Man Drown Himself

The “reason” that the police and fire department crew did noting because
of budget cuts in 2009, the fire crew did not have the training or gear
to enter the water. In addition, the water was too shallow for a Coast
Guard boat. It basically boiled down to the fact that they could do
nothing because of a policy.>>

http://tinyurl.com/b2akt7c

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 26, 2013 04:00 PM (81UWZ)

509 Based on a cursory examination of the melanin content of this alleged criminal, and the ~95% percentage of individuals with such melanin content that voted for Obama, I'm having a hard time working up much sympathy. It's there, but not much. Not that I'd have an ounce more sympathy for a pasty white liberal dude on SSDI he achieved through the use of lawyers who befouled the planet by pissing in his own backyard.

Live by the Nanny State, support the Nanny State at the polls, and become a felon by the Nanny State.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 26, 2013 04:01 PM (feFL6)

510 @508

Back in the old days knowing how to swim was requsite training for such a rescue.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 04:01 PM (t06LC)

511 Just like the way the greenies were against Paper Bags because 'Save The Trees You Guys'.

Plastic bags were the new big thing.

***

I was in our new health food store for their grand opening this weekend. They were using paper bags.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 04:02 PM (Hx5uv)

512 It's the US Revolution, Part II.
"This time it really is personal."

The first time around it was The War of Northern Aggression

This time it will be The War of Washington DC Aggression.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 26, 2013 04:03 PM (7ObY1)

513 No duty to protect. Very limited recourse for failure to.


Dial 911 & Die
The Shocking Truth about the Police Protection Myth

ISBN 0-9642304-4-5

Distributed by JPFO.org

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 04:03 PM (GFM2b)

514 Ace, while I agree that him being arrested was a bit extreme, but you have to keep in perspective that releasing 10,000 balloons in to the air could interfere with Air Traffic (airplanes), and could give ATCs false reason to worry.

Granted he should have been warned, maybe fined a modest amount.

Posted by: Raquel at February 26, 2013 04:03 PM (eTqV5)

515 scanning the comments above, i see there is already an emotional discussion on seat belt laws. This is why they were such an opportune way to expand the roll of gov. to intrude on personal decisions. Many people do not want to wear them, but many places (including NJ, were I mastered the art of driving (including a move I learned from my buddy Frank where you stop the car short and,... i digress.)) had such screwed up insurance laws (including mandatory cover -- check out how that turned out) that instead of leaving it up to the insurance company and the individual to figure out a solution, they made it the job of trained professional LEO, with a gun, to be our nanny.

Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at February 26, 2013 04:04 PM (zZJJp)

516 Up here in Indiana, we know how to treat desperate criminals like this one! Florida judges should watch and learn.

http://tinyurl.com/ac3qxv9

Posted by: Judge Lisa Traylor-Wolfe at February 26, 2013 04:04 PM (B5y+v)

517 We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them...you create a nation of lawbreakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden

Posted by: Dr. Floyd Ferris at February 26, 2013 04:05 PM (pZDxu)

518 In my town, apartment dwellers are exempt from recycling. Which is great for me as a renter, but everyone in the neighborhood comes and dumps their recyclables in our trash area.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 26, 2013 04:07 PM (7ObY1)

519 Probably already pointed out many times here in the comments, but I don't have time to read them all. The quote from "Atlas Shrugged". It is impossible to rule over innocent men.

Posted by: TimInVirginia at February 26, 2013 04:07 PM (Eaemu)

520 501 In other news, Gander Mountain near Raleigh NC is hiring for ten (10), count 'em TEN (10) Sales Associates (part time) JUST FOR THEIR FIREARMS DEPT.

Hell, I'll work evenings just to get first crack at ammo.



I'm lucky, a former file clerk at my office, who I was always friendly with, now works in our Gander Mountain's firearms department. He messages me on facebook when new ammo supplies come in. That's about the only use I have for FB, but that's the way he prefers to let me know, so I'll take it.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 26, 2013 04:09 PM (7ObY1)

521 It's the US Revolution, Part II.
"This time it really is personal."


Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 26, 2013 03:25 PM (Ipj15)

I prefer:

"Revolution, Part II. Wear a cup, motherfucker."

Posted by: t9 at February 26, 2013 04:11 PM (x3YFz)

522 Mylar balloons (at least not on a stick) are banned in Germany. See, we're becoming more like Germany every day!

Posted by: Katja at February 26, 2013 04:12 PM (9Ymq7)

523 He should get 99 years...one for each Luftballon.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 26, 2013 04:14 PM (7xPCu)

524 371 totalitarian. (Do you actually even know what that word means?
A better choice would be "arbitrary", or "tyrannical". Doesn't change the argument, a$$hat. Add together a million small tyrannies, and you get totalitarianism.

Posted by: Rule #2 at February 26, 2013 04:18 PM (CypDC)

525 two words:

Jury nullification

Posted by: Queueless at February 26, 2013 04:23 PM (chCdf)

526 What the state needs is less enimies and more enema

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 04:23 PM (t06LC)

527 I don't leash my dogs. They don't have carseats or car harnesses. I don't "pick up" after them at the park. They aren't chipped or registered. Outlaw dogs.

Posted by: Osoloco at February 26, 2013 04:24 PM (VCnwY)

528 LEO exists to respond to crime, and to arrest criminals who have already committed a crime. It does not exist to prevent any crime.
============================

The LEO exists to do whatever the fuck they feel like doing.

Posted by: The Hobo Hooker-Waitress Model- Actress Who Might Been Have But Never Was Wears Prada You Guys at February 26, 2013 04:35 PM (jopHG)

529
Have you committed your thee felonies today?

http://www.harveysilverglate.com/Books/ThreeFeloniesaDay.aspx

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at February 26, 2013 04:41 PM (1hM1d)

530 Ace, your last sentence suggests that you've read "This Perfect Day" by Ira Levin, which I saw mentioned somewhere around here (maybe on a recent book thread).

Great book. So is "Atlas Shrugged"
Dystopias that are proceeding according to plan.

Posted by: Skyway Moaters at February 26, 2013 04:44 PM (jNNWD)

531 Aces last sentence also brings the suggestion of an alternative, found on the blog masthead, but too violent and agressive to actually espouse, I'm told.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 26, 2013 04:48 PM (ORvjs)

532 Motorcycles, heh. There was a valid argument against seat belts, in the early days. Drivers of open-wheel race cars (Formula 1, sprint cars, midgets) before the surrounding roll cage felt strongly -- with evidence -- that their best chance of survival was to be thrown free of the crash. The death toll was uninspiring.

Johnnie Parsons (SR. - "Hollywood" Parsons) did a driver safety presentation at my high school, illustrated how cars used to work, and showed how things were different now. It was the best single thing I learned in high school. Fuck laws, I'm going with what Johnnie said. I still do not trust air bags. My car has a roll bar.

I had a street-legal rally car for quite a while. You gotta see the look on a first date's face as you hold the door for her, then strap in with a 6-point harness.

The trouble with several of you nutless snot-noses above is, you're arguing for the laws and cars you've grown up with, not for truth, justice, liberty or legal precedent. Don't try to lie out of it. I have seen this before. It's how tyrants win: get them young. Consider yourselves disrespected.

Posted by: comatus at February 26, 2013 05:00 PM (qaVK+)

533 or they will get written up by Ace

Posted by: occam at February 26, 2013 05:00 PM (cWOlF)

534 They already have. SSRIs and Viagra are wantonly prescribed by the medical establishment, and there is now enough estrogen in the water supply to sedate half the population.

Posted by: Kegger at February 26, 2013 05:07 PM (XIMd7)

535 Regulations.gov. 100 new today. Bottom left. Eff me.

Posted by: Can I claim I ignorance to the law at February 26, 2013 05:11 PM (/djtm)

536 527 I don't leash my dogs. They don't have carseats or car harnesses. I don't "pick up" after them at the park. They aren't chipped or registered. Outlaw dogs.
Posted by: Osoloco at February 26, 2013 04:24 PM (VCnwY)

You don't pick up your dog's shit in a public space? Remind me to throw my dog's shit at your house, tool.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 26, 2013 05:41 PM (7xPCu)

537 511
Just like the way the greenies were against Paper Bags because 'Save The Trees You Guys'.


That was then, this is now; tomorrow will be something else.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 26, 2013 05:43 PM (/gHaE)

538 I'd like another cup of Soma please.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 26, 2013 06:07 PM (qwK3S)

539 As much of a hot steaming pile as these laws and regulations are, if the cops didn't enforce them the people who pass these laws and write these regs would be rendered impotent.

Cops and other types of ENFORCERS bear culpability here as well.

Posted by: Redleg at February 26, 2013 06:49 PM (GXS3C)

540 Actually, before 25-30 years ago, most people were at most 4 steps removed from organized crime.

And if you ever got 1 step away, you committed the malum per se of accessory after the fact.

Or else.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 26, 2013 07:11 PM (0Bs6G)

541 Don't pick up that beautiful blue robin's egg in your back yard.

It is a federal offense.

Posted by: Tonawanda at February 26, 2013 07:15 PM (GeFHE)

542 this is a case just begging for jury nullification

Posted by: Shoey at February 26, 2013 08:29 PM (m6OUa)

543 >>Why is it illegal to collect rainwater on your property?

Imagine a sloping valley ten miles long, four miles wide, bordered by rocky hills. There's no aquifer underground, no river for miles, no irrigation system. You just get enough rain falling onto the hills and running down the valley to support grazing.

Now imagine the jerk at the top of the valley decides to dig a 10 foot berm along his property line.

That's why.

Even in the age of Robber Barons, when JP Morgan bought out Andrew Carnegie with cash and OSHA was a Red pipedream, state supreme courts were busting illegal reservoirs.



Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 26, 2013 08:59 PM (0Bs6G)

544 >>Must wait till he uses it? Allen, you are simply wrong here. Cops MUST intercede, if they do not they are subject to dereliction of duty and negligence.

Where, pray god, did you come up with the idea cops are not subject to the rules of law?

I think you are being drawn into a confusion about a crime against a person, where they have to act to save the victim, and an infraction. Surely cops have no duty to use their siren and lights to break up a drug deal or solicitation of prostitutes before they can occur. The motorcycle cop didn't warn me in any way that I was about to make a U-turn during an illegal time period; he just watched me do it, then he came after me.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 26, 2013 09:13 PM (0Bs6G)

545
What if EVERYONE refused to be cuffed, searched and caged one day, and shot their tormentors to death instead?
Just a random thought...

Posted by: Cheesy at February 26, 2013 10:02 PM (BGoso)






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