The Reason I'm Defending the Onion's Joke? Because We Just Went Through This With Limbaugh

Someone on Twitter called The Onion's joke "tasteless."

That's fine, I think: If a joke strikes you as tasteless, call it such.

But we don't tend to do that. The "tasteless" insult doesn't seem to carry enough weight, so people start spinning off all sorts of monstrous theories about the utterer of the statement: that he must secretly hate women or children, for example.

This is exactly what the left did with Limbaugh's joke about Sandra Fluke.

It's a tasteless joke; it was designed to provoke.

And? So, call it tasteless. And then let's move on.

What's this crap with spinning out ever-wilder speculations about the diseased mind that uttered this Forbidden Joke?

How about this: He was speaking off-the-cuff, as people do, and doing what people do when they make jokes (which is to say, finding surprising connections between things), and he tossed out a joke that some didn't like.

Did the media really need to fucking give Sandra Fluke a bishopric for the hardships of having had to endure it?

Tastelessness is an error, not a crime, and we ought to treat it way. And we should also trust that demeaning a joke as "tasteless" is enough of a penalty.

I've noticed this tendency; maybe you have too. But I believe the left has a whole series of things that they insist are Serious You Guys Not Funny.

But all of these objections are rooted in either taste or partisan advantage. And yet, even though they're rooted in subjective, biased perspective, they insist on forcing their own sense of taste on everyone else.

And how they do it is by two tactics:

1. What Does This Joke Say About The Mind of This Monster?

Correct answer: Virtually nothing, especially given that most people will, at one time or another, make a dark or tasteless joke, and they don't hold it against themselves for having done so.

So, how about we all drop this How Dare You act and allow that other people are allowed to do likewise?

The other tactic is...

2. Let Me Spin Out a Wild Series of Indirect Consequences of This Joke, Such as "Encouraging a Mindset In Which Violence Against Women Is Acceptable."

Wait, what? Limbaugh made a joke and you're now claiming that that conditions people to think it's okay to beat or rape women? You're claiming an indirect, but nonetheless real, link between Limbaugh's joke and a rape?

What?

What the F*** are you talking about?

What people do when they can't prove their own sense of taste or sensitivity to some issues is immediately begin postulating a ridiculous string of X leads to Y and Y and leads to Z reasoning to claim that they're not just objecting on grounds of personal, idiosyncratic, biased, and politically-motivated taste, but are in fact attempting to reduce real-world tangible evils like rape and violence against women.

See? I'm not just objecting on grounds of taste that Limbaugh said Sandra Fluke was "like a slut;" what I'm really doing is fighting rape.

So I win: My sensitivities must carry the day.

Or, with this Onion writer: I'm really not objecting on grounds of simple taste; what I'm really doing is fighting the sexualization of children.

Well, no; what you're doing is objecting on grounds of taste (which itself is perfectly fine) but then aggrandizing that into a defense of children.

The fact is, there is no I Win card in matters of taste. De gustibus non est desputandum -- In matters of taste, there is no argument, as it's out of the realm of the intellectual and things that can be proven. And it's In Latin (TM), so you know it's true.

But what people are doing is trying to craft an intellectual argument -- drawing in lots of risible claims of causality -- to "prove" that their taste is not merely taste but An Fact.

Well, it's not An Fact. Never will be An Fact. And all this crap about Limbaugh's Fluke joke leading, somehow, to violence against women is just an absolutely stupid argument offered up by someone who Rilly Rilly Rilly Rilly Wants to Win an Argument Because, Rape.

I have noticed this growing tendency of people to reject the proper language when discussing things. Instead of using the language of taste in discussing matters of taste, we instead begin discussing things like "hostile environment" and "real world effects."

It's a scam. The left created this, of course (as they have created most abuses of language and conceptualization). But we should resist it. Because ultimately this sort of thinking -- that even the most trivial action (or inaction) by a person somehow results in a real world horror which we are duty-bound to avoid, by whatever means necessary -- is ultimately an argument that People Can't Be Trusted With Freedom and We Need Some Sort of Enforcement Mechanism To Make Sure They Think and Say the Right Things.

I seized upon this Onion thing because I've been thinking about this lately -- that I can't seem to see anyone ever saying "That's tasteless" anymore. The left abandoned that 20 years ago, as every Word became a Weapon and they began their disarmament campaign against Assault Language.

But I see a lot of conservatives doing it too. I don't know if we (as a group) are claiming this in order to use this tactic against the left (and, by doing so, get the left to knock it off), or if we're just doing it because we've been conditioned to accept the Left's basic premises on Language Too Dangerous to be Uttered.

It's all so false. There is virtually no action or utterance one can undertake now without someone who disapproves of that action or utterance, whether on the left or right, claiming it will result in some Parade of Horribles which we simply cannot abide.

Posted by: Ace at 06:42 PM



Comments

1 Ace. Barrel.

Posted by: blaster at February 25, 2013 06:43 PM (/1U3u)

2 Here I is!

Posted by: ALH at February 25, 2013 06:44 PM (eqV3Q)

3 Pretty sure all that yamering broke the blog.

Posted by: Weirdflunky at February 25, 2013 06:44 PM (tlhtD)

4

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 06:44 PM (r2PLg)

5 Slanty text for life!

Posted by: JDTAY at February 25, 2013 06:45 PM (a0nis)

6 I dunno--

Ace do you censor the word-

N*****?

Why or why not?

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 06:45 PM (r2PLg)

7 I got nothing.

Posted by: By Popular Demand at February 25, 2013 06:46 PM (KqwSL)

8 Of course if we'd left the Onion thing alone, it would be forgotten by the end of the week. A 3 day story. But by all means, let's turn it into A Thing.

Sometimes you over thing things.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 06:46 PM (8sCoq)

9 that's 'over think'


Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 06:46 PM (8sCoq)

10 I get the joke but you don't use it on a 9 year old.Of course the reaction is over the top,the reaction to every little thing is over the top now days.Except important stuff(Benghazi,mountains of debt etc etc)

Posted by: steevy at February 25, 2013 06:46 PM (9XBK2)

11 --btw there is going to be a full moon today.

So I predicted to myself a couple of days ago that there might be a holy war here.

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 06:47 PM (r2PLg)

12 I think the reason The Onion is getting pounded is that they actually criticized Obama a few times. I remember them covering his second inauguration ceremony, which had "drone flyovers" and "live TV feed of Guantanamo Bay (which is still open)".

Posted by: JDTAY at February 25, 2013 06:47 PM (a0nis)

13 Ace on an intellectual and strategic level I understand and agree with you.

On an emotional and tactical level I say "fuck them no mercy"

they suck Ogabe's dick....they should be my total war enemy.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 06:48 PM (LRFds)

14 >>>Ace do you censor the word-

N*****?

Yup. The fact is bad commenters drive out good ones, and once the folks that really want to say N**** know they have a safe zone, they'll just infest the site and drive out everyone else.

No one of merit wants to associate themselves with the meritless.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 06:48 PM (LCRYB)

15 It's Always Sunny In Philly's Franks Little Beauties comes to mind.

Joking about minors in such a way makes you a diddler.

Stating fact about a slut makes you a mean R.

Posted by: sTevo at February 25, 2013 06:48 PM (OcVOw)

16 14 >>>Ace do you censor the word-

N*****?

Yup. The fact is bad commenters drive out good ones, and once the folks that really want to say N**** know they have a safe zone, they'll just infest the site and drive out everyone else.

No one of merit wants to associate themselves with the meritless.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 06:48 PM (LCRYB)

________________

Do you censor the C* word?

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 06:49 PM (r2PLg)

17 The First Amendment was only meant to apply to the MSM , wingnutz!!!

Posted by: Your Fascist Overlords at February 25, 2013 06:49 PM (EZl54)

18 That Ace is a wordy Bitch.

What? We were all thinking it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 06:49 PM (qyv02)

19 Are we trying to bring down The Onion? No? Then stop the outrageous outrage. Call it tasteless, say it was dumb. Then MOVE ON. Ace is dead on.

Posted by: Darii at February 25, 2013 06:49 PM (JdxJ1)

20 >>>Sometimes you over think things.

true, but not here. I see this all the time. This was almost a post last week. I forget what provoked it.

But this is always going on.

No one ever just says "because that's my preference." It's always ginned up with Real World Consequences now.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 06:50 PM (LCRYB)

21 What's this thread about, really?

Posted by: No Name Given at February 25, 2013 06:50 PM (KqwSL)

22 I'msorry - there are just some things which should not be said. ESPECIALLY when one is talking about a young lady who hasn't done anything to deserve that kind of thing.

Lindsey Lohan? Everything she has done BY HERSELF makes her fair game for stuff like that.
This little girl? Just minding her own business.

Unfortunately, when someone puts something out on Twitter, it has the possibility of going viral.

If you wouldn't say it in front of your grandmother, perhaps you might oughta think before you put it out there for anyone to see - I'm just sayin'......

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 25, 2013 06:50 PM (ADnWI)

23 No one of merit wants to associate themselves with the meritless.


Sometimes they just can't help themselves!

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 25, 2013 06:50 PM (DLu2s)

24 Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 06:46 PM (8sCoq)

No. I believe you had it right the first time.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 06:50 PM (qyv02)

25 The tweet lacked a funny bone.
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Nothing humerus about it.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Posted by: CAC at February 25, 2013 06:50 PM (6v/2T)

26 The proper answer is:

Let.It.Burn

Posted by: trainer says LIB at February 25, 2013 06:50 PM (1QEkm)

27 Is there something to be gained by going after the Onion? For this!?!?

Let it burn. Keeps you warm.

Posted by: blaster at February 25, 2013 06:51 PM (/1U3u)

28 18 That Ace is a wordy Bitch.

What? We were all thinking it.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 06:49 PM (qyv02)


_______________

Now that's funny.

A) because Ace is not a bitch or a nine year old.

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 06:51 PM (r2PLg)

29 That YAAAAA was just a bit too long, methinks.

Posted by: JDTAY at February 25, 2013 06:51 PM (a0nis)

30 Seth MacFarlane and The Onion guy are history's greatest monsters

Posted by: JDP at February 25, 2013 06:52 PM (60GaT)

31 Ace is moving on?

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 25, 2013 06:52 PM (6J6x7)

32 CAC--

More than 40 characters in a row horizontally blows the blog.

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 06:52 PM (r2PLg)

33 >>> get the joke but you don't use it on a 9 year old

well one of my points (which I perhaps didn't make well enough) is that it's completely fine to object on a taste level -- but to kick it up into an assault on children?

Come on. That's the part I object to.

I don't mind anyone saying "That's tasteless." Because I know, for example, that anyone WITH kids is going to have a different reaction than someone WITHOUT kids. It's a POV thing.

I'm not trying to push my taste on someone, I mean, I'm not trying to say "Accept this is a tasteful joke."

It's not.

But this tactic of claiming Real World Consequences Serious You Guys is just annoying and stupid and false.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 06:52 PM (LCRYB)

34 So it's true. We're all thinking it.

Posted by: The Onion at February 25, 2013 06:52 PM (dSE0q)

35 This is why I love Anthony Jeselnik and Amy Schumer.
Completely rude, crude and Politically Incorrect.

Posted by: mbruce at February 25, 2013 06:53 PM (SKoNZ)

36 #29
The problem as I see it,
You can't slice up the Onion
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Without shedding some tears.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Posted by: CAC at February 25, 2013 06:53 PM (6v/2T)

37 Plus, I go back to is The Onion still a thing?

Posted by: blaster at February 25, 2013 06:53 PM (/1U3u)

38 IMO it goes beyond poor taste. Chris Rock joking about tossing another man's salad with jelly or maple syrup? That's potentially "in poor taste." Calling a 9 year old a cunt? Abhorrent in my book.


Obv YMMV.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 25, 2013 06:53 PM (GEICT)

39 N*****?



and once the folks that really want to say N****

so the first one is Negate and the 2nd ones Ninja?

I'm confused. Someone miss laid an asterisk.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 06:53 PM (qyv02)

40 It's all so false. There is virtually no action or utterance one can undertake now without someone who disapproves of that action or utterance, whether on the left or right, claiming it will result in some Parade of Horribles which we simply cannot abide.

Ace, I am offended by your generalized conclusions. Harumpf!

Posted by: Marmo at February 25, 2013 06:54 PM (pcgW1)

41 CAC in the barrel.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 06:54 PM (qyv02)

42 >>>I'msorry - there are just some things which should not be said. ESPECIALLY when one is talking about a young lady who hasn't done anything to deserve that kind of thing.

I really don't see her being hurt by something that is obviously not even a joke about her.

The idea that this girl is going to be "hurt" by this joke, which is obviously not targeting her, is just wrong.

I mean, what are the odds she'll even see it? I don't know if she's even American!

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 06:54 PM (LCRYB)

43 alright CAC you have emwidened the blog

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 06:54 PM (8sCoq)

44 :::It's a scam. The left created this, of course (as they have created most abuses of language and conceptualization). But we should resist it. Because ultimately this sort of thinking -- that even the most trivial action (or inaction) by a person somehow results in a real world horror which we are duty-bound to avoid, by whatever means necessary -- is ultimately an argument that People Can't Be Trusted With Freedom and We Need Some Sort of Enforcement Mechanism To Make Sure They Think and Say the Right Things.::::



And if Glen Beck's stupid TV network takes off, expect this type of story 24/7.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 25, 2013 06:54 PM (rpFf/)

45 moar blue on blue, pleez

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at February 25, 2013 06:54 PM (EZl54)

46 If CAC is in the barrel I am standing in line.

What? Like a Viking silly!

Posted by: blaster at February 25, 2013 06:54 PM (/1U3u)

47 I don't really give a shit about The Onion's joke other than it wasn't terribly funny. What does irk me is that Bill Maher can come out and straight up call Sarah Palin a c*nt, no actual joke involved, and it brings down the house. The Onion's joke was about 10 levels higher up the comedy ladder than anything that prick has ever done, but somehow Maher is a laugh riot while The Onion crossed the line. Go figure.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 25, 2013 06:54 PM (hpYnL)

48 39 N*****?



and once the folks that really want to say N****

so the first one is Negate and the 2nd ones Ninja?

I'm confused. Someone miss laid an asterisk.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 06:53 PM (qyv02)

_________________

Ninja, please.

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 06:54 PM (r2PLg)

49 BTW - The Onion has the RIGHT to say that.

Just because they have the right tosay it, doesn't mean that it was in extremely poor taste. They've apologized; time to move on.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 25, 2013 06:55 PM (ADnWI)

50 He's not really calling her a cunt though,it's a joke.That Mother Theresa,what a cunt right?
Definately crude and better not deployed against a 9 year old but geez,you groan and move on.

Posted by: steevy at February 25, 2013 06:55 PM (9XBK2)

51 Ace, I think you are right on principle.

But the Left does this all the time, and one of the few viable tactics we have it to hold them to their own professed standards.

And honestly, I am not sure if it *is* actually viable. Their hypocrisy filter just works too damn well.

How would you suggest we convince the left to stop this hyperventilating nonsense if we unilaterally disarm? (honest question, not a sarcastic hypothetical)

Posted by: mrshad at February 25, 2013 06:55 PM (Xqfwb)

52 42 >>>I'msorry - there are just some things which should not be said. ESPECIALLY when one is talking about a young lady who hasn't done anything to deserve that kind of thing.

I really don't see her being hurt by something that is obviously not even a joke about her.

The idea that this girl is going to be "hurt" by this joke, which is obviously not targeting her, is just wrong.

I mean, what are the odds she'll even see it? I don't know if she's even American!

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 06:54 PM (LCRYB)

_______________

You missed my second question--

do you censor the C*** word?

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 06:55 PM (r2PLg)

53 >>>37 Plus, I go back to is The Onion still a thing?

they're not exactly lighting up the scoreboard lately.

Someone told me it's pretty simple: They moved to Chicago. Most of their writers wanted to stay in NYC (for business reasons-- you can get jobs in NYC, you know, side-gigs) and so didn't make the trip out there to Chicago.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 06:56 PM (LCRYB)

54 That Mother Theresa,what a cunt right?

This a trick question?

Posted by: zombie Chris Hitchens at February 25, 2013 06:56 PM (QTHTd)

55 >>>You missed my second question--

do you censor the C*** word?

sure, same reason. Some drunk is going to call a woman a C*** in an argument and then it's A Thing.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 06:56 PM (LCRYB)

56 That Onion joke probably was funny around the water cooler.

Tweeted to the whole world? Not so much.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 06:56 PM (qyv02)

57 alright CAC you have emwidened the blog
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 06:54 PM (8sCoq)
Ace has to put his foot down on this issue (the twitters).
I just decided...
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It should be a wide stance
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Posted by: CAC at February 25, 2013 06:57 PM (6v/2T)

58 Why am I suddenly reminded of the readings out of "truly tasteless jokes" that they did on one of those VH1 I Love the 80s shows?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at February 25, 2013 06:57 PM (RZ8pf)

59 >>>But the Left does this all the time, and one of the few viable tactics we have it to hold them to their own professed standards.

I get this tactic so long as we insist they obey their own rulebook -- but not to the extent of adopting that rulebook ourselves.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 06:57 PM (LCRYB)

60 A lot of kids are assholes and everyone knows it. The Onion style guide just needs a couple of vocabulary substitutions and everything will be fine.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 25, 2013 06:57 PM (+lsX1)

61 I don't care about the joke. The Onion lost me after their treatment of Chris Kyle's murder.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/exsniper-shot-dead-after-surviving-years-in-harrow,31154/

Posted by: Y-not at February 25, 2013 06:57 PM (5H6zj)

62 55 >>>You missed my second question--

do you censor the C*** word?

sure, same reason. Some drunk is going to call a woman a C*** in an argument and then it's A Thing.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 06:56 PM (LCRYB)

____________________

Okay.

What do you think if you replace the C*** word with the N***** word in The Onion joke?

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 06:57 PM (r2PLg)

63
Ace,
Yeah, but 'tasteless' has shock value.
It gets noticed.
Which is probably why people make 'tasteless remarks'.

I querried earlier, in the other thread about this..."Maybe this is a byproduct of political correctness".

When there is 'forbidden language', then it becomes more irresistable.

Posted by: wheatie at February 25, 2013 06:58 PM (eyJSG)

64 I don't mind anyone saying "That's tasteless." Because I know, for
example, that anyone WITH kids is going to have a different reaction
than someone WITHOUT kids. It's a POV thing.



I'm not trying to push my taste on someone, I mean, I'm not trying to say "Accept this is a tasteful joke."

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There was a time when ANYONE, with or without kids, would find it tasteless. It's not a POV....it's just what's considered funny/edgy these days. It'll get worse.....

Posted by: Tami at February 25, 2013 06:58 PM (X6akg)

65 It's a scam.

Plus a bit more: immature people, which the Left is comprised almost exclusive of, always read far more into things because, emotionality.

A calm, cool, rational evaluation of the situation almost never produces the wild overreaction we see from the Left. They're not really thinking, not in the manner that normal people do it, they're just automatically going off the deep end.

It takes a lot to really get a rational person to start yelling. Immature Leftards begin there and spiral downward.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 25, 2013 06:58 PM (+z4pE)

66 Fucking socons - this is why we need to drive them out of the GOP.

Posted by: That Internet Cunt at February 25, 2013 06:58 PM (rpFf/)

67 I mean, what are the odds she'll even see it? I don't know if she's even American!


Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 06:54 PM (LCRYB)


Now? That the Left is outrageously outraged??? I'll bet that some Lefty will SHOW it to her, so he can get her OUTRAGE and HURT on tape...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 25, 2013 06:58 PM (lZBBB)

68 A bad joke is better than a bad President and a hell of a lot less dangerous

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2013 06:58 PM (jE38p)

69 I get what you're saying. It's overreaction to say this statement on The Onion's twitter feed directly links to X crime the author hasn't committed.

You're pushing back against overreach, I get that. There are lots of things to focus on, and this is nearly inconsequential.

However, the statement was course and low. It was shameful and the writer should be ashamed of it, joke or no.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 25, 2013 06:58 PM (2hTlI)

70 Frankly, the only thing I know about the Oscars is what I read on a few blogs and news sites.

Don't. Care.

I do not support Hollywood by going to movies. They are not on my side.

Posted by: Marmo at February 25, 2013 06:59 PM (pcgW1)

71 Prediction : Her Hollywood legal team will sue and win .

QuVuuZazla^chazza vs The Onion will become a landmark first Amendment ruling.

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at February 25, 2013 06:59 PM (EZl54)

72 The language is debased. Words used to have crisp meaning, now they mean whatever some asshole wants them to mean to suit their nefarious purposes.

When a scalpel is seen as a blunt instrument, its hard to wield without smashing someone's feelings.

Fuck'em.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 25, 2013 06:59 PM (/gHaE)

73 get her OUTRAGE and HURT on tape...

Posted by: Romeo13

Acting.

Posted by: Dang at February 25, 2013 06:59 PM (R18D0)

74 63 I'm an absolutist on freedom of speech.The fact that there are now things that cannot be said(whether or not they SHOULD be said) is frightening.People need thicker skins.

Posted by: steevy at February 25, 2013 06:59 PM (9XBK2)

75 Okay.

What do you think if you replace the C*** word with the N***** word in The Onion joke?
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 06:57 PM (r2PLg)
Nobody would even jokingly call a 9 year old preening that. C*** while stupid goes along with the joke of calling someone seemingly onery a C***

Posted by: CAC at February 25, 2013 06:59 PM (6v/2T)

76 >>>You're pushing back against overreach, I get that. There are lots of things to focus on, and this is nearly inconsequential.

The abuse of words and, even more importantly, the abuse of conceptualization -- we can only think in the ways we're accustomed to doing -- is consequential.


Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 06:59 PM (LCRYB)

77
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Quick point - When the fact that the Dem candidate for VA Senate was reported to have written about a character 'flipping his son upside down and kissing his penis in greeting" {paraphrased} and the Right speculated on what kind of mind couldst dare conceive of such a thing we were told we were morons.

F2T2
Fuck.That.
Fuck.Them.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 25, 2013 07:00 PM (J8DGo)

78 I bet this has more people talking about the Onion than have been Ina long, long time. Last time they had some buzz was when the Chinese or Iranians quoted them on a dome over DC or some shit.

That was YEARS ago. Just ignore them.

Posted by: blaster at February 25, 2013 07:00 PM (/1U3u)

79 Best way to deal with 'edgy' humor?

Tell them they're boring. Usually outrage is what they're trolling for.

Posted by: zsasz at February 25, 2013 07:00 PM (MMC8r)

80 People need thicker skins.

****

And more brains.

Posted by: Oddball at February 25, 2013 07:00 PM (MhA4j)

81
The self righteous don't get comedy. Ever. It's completely wasted on them and it is not worth the time to banty with them over it.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:01 PM (bsWAW)

82 Note also we can disagree on an important hypothetical fact here:

Some people reckon she will read this, and will be hurt.

I make the opposite guess-- she has no idea an obscure twitter writer for a not-so-famous fake newspaper said it, so she won't be hurt.

Obviously if someone shouted this to her face I'd have a much different take!

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:01 PM (LCRYB)

83 "Cunt" - "taste". There's a joke in here somewhere but I'm just not seeing it.

Posted by: Dang at February 25, 2013 07:01 PM (R18D0)

84 73 get her OUTRAGE and HURT on tape...

Posted by: Romeo13

Acting.


Posted by: Dang at February 25, 2013 06:59 PM (R18D0)

Yes.... she has already prooven her acting abilites are beyone comparison... but is she part of the Film Actors Guild? Does she know Alec Baldwin?

Posted by: Team AMERICA! F'K YA! at February 25, 2013 07:02 PM (lZBBB)

85 Well, it is a thing now, the Onion tweet is the top story results on a Bing search of her name (Bing kindly corrects your spelling as long as you get a few of the letters of her name right). And she was born in Houma Louisana.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at February 25, 2013 07:02 PM (RZ8pf)

86 US calls on Israelis, PA to exercise maximum restraint

??? The palis are rioting, as they are prone to do, and the US is calling on Israel to exercise restraint? Hey, I've got an idea lets make hagel Sec of Defense?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2013 07:02 PM (jE38p)

87 I suspect the Onion guy put that out there because, although I'm no media junky by most people's standards, there seemed to be a plethora of cutie-pie articles about the 9-year old in question in the last week or so, all stressing what a gosh-darn doll little Qumerkehany is and such a fine actress! . So the Onion's reaction could be considered funny by someone who reacts badly to lots and lots of treacly puff pieces. Of course I've read nothing about little Quiznokevarny to indicate she deserves anything like this kind of abuse; few 9 year-olds do. Especially one that got stuck with a name like Qunickinockinerky. I think it's better we wait until she gets named the next Secretary of Commerce in the Obama administration before we get on little Qukerpickerupany's case!

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at February 25, 2013 07:02 PM (DLu2s)

88 I'm going to completely disregard this topic. Words don't mean shit in these times, and aren't worth the hot air. However, I know that several morons are interested in cartridge reloading components. I recently got shipments of JHP's from two places:
Target Barn (.357 and 45ACP)
Montana Gold Bullet (.40 SW)

Delivery was slow at the former, but the latter took about 2 weeks. If interested, have a look.

Posted by: Rule #2 at February 25, 2013 07:03 PM (CypDC)

89 The Sensitive Media - doing their best to make sure she does see it.

Posted by: Dang at February 25, 2013 07:03 PM (R18D0)

90 86 You know those jews,always quick to air raid innocent muslims.
Your President and superior to you in every way,Barky

Posted by: steevy at February 25, 2013 07:03 PM (9XBK2)

91 39 I'm confused. Someone miss laid an asterisk.

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We're just lucky they're not as magically delicious as ampersands.

Posted by: Attack Citizen Anachronda at February 25, 2013 07:03 PM (FzhYM)

92 I don't even get the "joke"

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 25, 2013 07:03 PM (9+ccr)

93 Note also we can disagree on an important hypothetical fact here:

Some people reckon she will read this, and will be hurt.

I make the opposite guess-- she has no idea an obscure twitter writer for a not-so-famous fake newspaper said it, so she won't be hurt.

Obviously if someone shouted this to her face I'd have a much different take!

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:01 PM (LCRYB)

____________________

I don't think that is an assumption you can make .
Pretend she does get wind of it--then what?

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 07:03 PM (r2PLg)

94 Still?

Oh dear Lord.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 25, 2013 07:04 PM (piMMO)

95 I was inexact, I didn't mean the overreach was inconsequential. I meant the statement was inconsequential, or nearly so.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 25, 2013 07:04 PM (2hTlI)

96 Yeah,

It's all fun and games until it turns out the kid's real name is Quetzequatal Wallis.

Seriously You Guys, Then how funny will it be?

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 25, 2013 07:05 PM (J8DGo)

97 Anti-scoldery.

Nearly as tiresome as actual scoldery.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 25, 2013 07:05 PM (rpFf/)

98 >>>Still?

Oh dear Lord.

Pretty sure the Hot Air button on your computer works. See if it does.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:05 PM (LCRYB)

99 Question, and this is serious guys! But did ace defend Limbaugh's joke?

Posted by: blaster at February 25, 2013 07:05 PM (/1U3u)

100 If you have to expend so damn much time explaining a joke....


the it was a BAD friggin joke!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 25, 2013 07:05 PM (piMMO)

101 How about those Buckeyes?

Posted by: By Popular Demand at February 25, 2013 07:05 PM (KqwSL)

102

It seems we are presented with a choice.

We can either be consistent and intellectually honest or we can play the Left's Gotcha! pc word games.

The High Road or the Low Road.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 25, 2013 07:05 PM (LPRBM)

103 1. What Does This Joke Say About The Mind of This Monster?

I have to pipe in here, because: that was my "tactic", earlier.

I thought that this showed that the Onion is full of bullies, of the "can't you take a joke?" breed. We on the Right have known this for some time, of course, but we can't get anyone else to listen because - hey, we're all rich Bush-voting white inbred racist Christian hicks. Guffaw!

Well, now the Onion is teeing off on little girls.

You're right that they don't actually hate little girls but that's not the point. The point is that they're a bunch of thugs with no class. And here we have the opportunity to show the whole nation.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 25, 2013 07:05 PM (QTHTd)

104 I'm trying to gin up some rage here but I'm not sure how to word it

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 07:06 PM (8sCoq)

105 >>>Question, and this is serious guys! But did ace defend Limbaugh's joke?

yes, except I didn't defend it in terms people insisted on, to wit, "She really is An Slut and we should Prove This so that the World Will Know!"

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:06 PM (LCRYB)

106 Here's my opinion: It was tasteless, vulgar, and hurtful to a young kid.

Not funny.

The entire country has gone whacko with saying whatever vulgar thought that enters their heads. No sense of decorum or decency. Just say whatever, without regards for anyone else.

So, I am not going to make a big deal out of the Onion because they are just reflecting our currently ailing culture.

However, getting into some sort of 20-paragraph snit fit over people who criticize it, even if they go overboard, is just as ridiculous.

The joke was tasteless and over the top. The criticism is out of control and over the top.

AND, the defense of the Onion is ALSO over the top.

ENOUGH! Everyone shape up!! This is NOT IMPORTANTY!!

Another thread, please!!

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 25, 2013 07:06 PM (GoIUi)

107 85 Well, it is a thing now, the Onion tweet is the top story results on a Bing search of her name (Bing kindly corrects your spelling as long as you get a few of the letters of her name right). And she was born in Houma Louisana.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at February 25, 2013 07:02 PM (RZ8pf)


____________________

Correct.

There is a high probability that her family knows about it--and they are upset about it.

Also, kids pick up on more than you think.

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 07:06 PM (r2PLg)

108 Pretty sure the Hot Air button on your computer works. See if it does.

***

No problem.

You've got it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 25, 2013 07:06 PM (piMMO)

109 We spend so much time obsessing over how many liberals are total assholes we lose sight of how many conservatives are total assholes.

People are fucking annoying, myself included.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 25, 2013 07:06 PM (q177U)

110 What's up with all the Limbaugh talk today?

Posted by: SE Cupp at February 25, 2013 07:06 PM (gmeXX)

111 Someone on Twitter called The Onion's joke "tasteless."

I call it "day9".

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 25, 2013 07:06 PM (T0s/o)

112 Okay just wondering.

Posted by: blaster at February 25, 2013 07:06 PM (/1U3u)

113 Quetzequatal Wallis.

***

Quetzalcoatl Wallace defeated the English at the Battle of the Narrow Bridge

Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at February 25, 2013 07:06 PM (MhA4j)

114 I found Michelle Obama's performance to be an equally tasteless joke, and definitely more personal.

Posted by: Fritz at February 25, 2013 07:06 PM (WM+rJ)

115 What's this crap with spinning out ever-wilder speculations about the diseased mind that uttered this Forbidden Joke?

Ace, it's because these people have a compulsion to provide evidence that they actually have an education, and that their opinions are worth something.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 25, 2013 07:07 PM (7xPCu)

116 It must be exhausting trying to be offended all the time.

Posted by: wattyler1381 at February 25, 2013 07:07 PM (F2Vrz)

117 The High Road or the Low Road.

The High Road!

Posted by: McCain, Romney and Dole at February 25, 2013 07:07 PM (QTHTd)

118 114
I found Michelle Obama's performance to be an equally tasteless joke, and definitely more personal.


Posted by: Fritz at February 25, 2013 07:06 PM (WM+rJ)


Something I can agree on...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 25, 2013 07:07 PM (9+ccr)

119 The abuse of words and, even more importantly, the abuse of conceptualization -- we can only think in the ways we're accustomed to doing -- is consequential.

When the language is abused, concepts are also abused.

When clear language is no longer used, the concepts they describe become difficult to understand.

To quote somebody famous, "Words mean things."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 25, 2013 07:07 PM (+z4pE)

120 All I know is that:

1) WE don't have free speech anymore. (or less than we used to)
2) the blog is too wide
3) That Pope is a real geezer, you know. (and probably a pedophile)

(what? we were all thinking it. And the Left was SAYING IT LIKE IT WAS A FACT.)

And that's the tragedy behind this story.

The leftist/liberals in the State Media, the Infotainment industry and Academe have twisted and maligned the language and anyone that they've decided to target into justifiable objects of dehumanizing speech. Yet we who are most often the targets (or who's Icons are the most often the targets) cannot say one thing even slightly off key without being castigated and ridiculed. And the really sad thing is they've trained us to do it to ourselves.

The left has shackled us IN OUR MINDS and the prison walls are with us 24/7.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 07:07 PM (qyv02)

121 Seriously You Guys -

The Onion was being mean to the ** concept **of a six year old child named Q---accent -- Wallis. Not the concept reified, you guys.

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 25, 2013 07:07 PM (J8DGo)

122 If they'd have dropped the same joke on Michelle Obama, it might have been on thefunny enoughside of outrageous-y outrage. Still tasteless, but sodifferent fromwhat we're used to hearing thatthe shock value would have been worth it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 25, 2013 07:08 PM (ZshNr)

123 The Onion joke has much more in common with David Lettermans "knocked up by A-Rod" joke than with Rush calling a slut a slut.

Posted by: jenny on the phone at February 25, 2013 07:08 PM (3FIgp)

124 I think the thing to do is say "see, no class" and move on.

Posted by: blaster at February 25, 2013 07:08 PM (/1U3u)

125 Quetzalcoatl Wallace defeated the English at the Battle of the Narrow Bridge
Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at February 25, 2013 07:06 PM (MhA4j)

Wait, I thought he was English...and became known simply as "Q" a la James Bond.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 25, 2013 07:08 PM (7xPCu)

126 I can't recall a single person, here, objecting to us ripping on Honey Boo-Boo.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:08 PM (BsfhA)

127 I would love to give Ace a stick and put him in a dark room with that clown Chomsky

Posted by: Jean at February 25, 2013 07:09 PM (DcbLC)

128 When he called little Quahog that, it was like Tarpon got killed all over again.

Posted by: zsasz at February 25, 2013 07:09 PM (MMC8r)

129 126
I can't recall a single person, here, objecting to us ripping on Honey Boo-Boo.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:08 PM (BsfhA)


She's fair game, and I'm sure nobody called her a c..t.Just called the show and her Family out for its stupidity...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 25, 2013 07:10 PM (9+ccr)

130 I guess if I have to accept some Onion writer calling a nine year old a c*nt then I have to accept David Letterman conjecturing on a New York Yankee baseball player (A-Rod) 'knocking up' Sarah Palins 14 year old daughter as 'comedy'.

Sorry, doesn't feel funny in either instance. Just plain creepy.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 25, 2013 07:10 PM (feFL6)

131 I think the key is that people are getting outraged, on behalf, of other people.

Outrage by Proxy? Its part of the bigger meme that we can't care for ourselves... that we ARE our Brother's KEEPER (which always struck me the wrong way, wonder if that parable was another mistranslation, like the comandment is MURDER, not Kill.... and its Evil Practioner of Magic, not witch....).

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 25, 2013 07:10 PM (lZBBB)

132 Because you know everyone's thinking that Honey Boo Boo is a....

Oh wait, I don't see that working.

NM.

Posted by: blaster at February 25, 2013 07:10 PM (/1U3u)

133 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2789/4463459192_ed7cf6cd3f.jpg
That's not funny, that's sick.

Posted by: Let Them All Burn at February 25, 2013 07:10 PM (g1kPC)

134 126 I can't recall a single person, here, objecting to us ripping on Honey Boo-Boo.
Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:08 PM (BsfhA)

I barely know who "Honey Boo-Boo" is, but I think that if I ever met someone who goes by that name, I would either vomit or get out the taser.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 25, 2013 07:10 PM (7xPCu)

135 Point of Order regarding Limbaugh/Fluke Joke

Rush prefaced the whole thing with "If she needs $3,000 worth of birth control a year, then she's a slut"

I happen to agree that -- if she needs $3,000 worth of birth control -- she's a slut?

Am I saying is Sandra Fluke a slut?

I dunno, you tell me how much birth control she's using in a given year.
__________________

The conditional always gets lost in these things, always.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 25, 2013 07:11 PM (J8DGo)

136 126 I can't recall a single person, here, objecting to us ripping on Honey Boo-Boo.

That's because if you called Honey Boo-Boo a c**t, her mama will cut you.

Posted by: wheatie at February 25, 2013 07:11 PM (eyJSG)

137 ...known simply as "Q" a la James Bond.

****

They had better health benefits and food so he signed with them.
After that, all the Scots went on the dole and took to the bottle.

Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at February 25, 2013 07:11 PM (MhA4j)

138 >>>I thought that this showed that the Onion is full of bullies, of the "can't you take a joke?" breed

Sure if you assume they really wanted to bully a 9-year-old girl.

Doesn't that seem sort of preposterous to you?

People have this thing they do where, if they don't know a person, or if he's in Another Tribe, they can hypothesize all sorts of unlikely Evils floating around in his brain.

I would suggest that if I made the joke, you wouldn't spring to attacking me all that much. You might still very well reject the joke as tasteless and unfunny (I have a hard time arguing against those beliefs) but I don't think you'd think I was literally attempting to bully and hurt a 9-year-old girl.

I mean, you wouldn't assume that (I hope!).


Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:11 PM (LCRYB)

139 75 Okay.

What do you think if you replace the C*** word with the N***** word in The Onion joke?
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 06:57 PM (r2PLg)


Nobody would even jokingly call a 9 year old preening that. C*** while stupid goes along with the joke of calling someone seemingly onery a C***
Posted by: CAC at February 25, 2013 06:59 PM (6v/2T)

_______________

But I think Ace's argument is that they should be free to do so, no?

So I am wondering about the differential between the two.

One is more taboo.

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 07:12 PM (r2PLg)

140 I can't recall a single person, here, objecting to us ripping on Honey Boo-Boo.
Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:08 PM (BsfhA)
There's a sizable difference between an oscar-winning 9 year old and a girl who dances on go-go juice hanging with her morbidly obese mother, convicted-felon father and six-fingered sister.

Posted by: CAC at February 25, 2013 07:12 PM (6v/2T)

141
It's true. The political high road is indeed paved with losing candidates.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 25, 2013 07:12 PM (BUcLz)

142 the Onion tweet is the top story results on a Bing search of her name

OH, I get it.

Ace is hit trolling.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 07:12 PM (qyv02)

143 Don't close the money hole

Posted by: Tom H at February 25, 2013 07:12 PM (0AN2v)

144 Can you imagine that on your résumé? The Onion twitterer.

Wow. Hire this person right away!

Posted by: blaster at February 25, 2013 07:13 PM (/1U3u)

145 I [ace] was literally attempting to bully and hurt a 9-year-old girl.
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What if that 9 year old girl was named 'erg'?

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 25, 2013 07:13 PM (J8DGo)

146 Related:

CBS just ran a sob story from two sets of outraged relatives whose relative died on 911.

The huge problem: the movie Thirty Dark Whatever used the actual voices of Their Loved One who called and then died in the WTC, and the relatives are now hurt and demand an apology.

This, even though they have used the same audio clips for their own public purposes.

My own personal suspicion is that these folks are Leftists who have no qualms about exploiting the death of Their Loved One for their own purposes.

But the more "benign" explanation is equally malignant - - they are part of the narcissist/totalitarian victim mentality, an essential aspect of the Soviet media, where denunciation and 2 minute hates are used against thought criminals.

As I say, my own guess is that these folks are Cindy Sheehan witting propagandists, but they may very well be useful idiots, whose egos are exploited in service of the state.

Posted by: Tonawanda at February 25, 2013 07:13 PM (GeFHE)

147 But I think Ace's argument is that they should be free to do so, no?

So I am wondering about the differential between the two.

One is more taboo.
Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 07:12 PM (r2PLg)
One is not more taboo. They're both tasteless jokes.
Once can SEE the sick, sick humor in using one.
There is no humor in simply calling a child a racial slur.

Posted by: CAC at February 25, 2013 07:13 PM (6v/2T)

148 In Japan, The Matrix Is Now Reality As Humans Are Used As Living Batteries

So what is Japan's solution? A quite ingenious one: as Geek.com and ASR both report, Japan's Fujifilm has created organic printed sheet that harvests energy from body heat, or in other words, converts body heat to electricity. Finally, at least one key part of the Matrix "reality" is now fully operational - the use of human beings as batteries.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 25, 2013 07:13 PM (e8kgV)

149 I would suggest that if I made the joke, you wouldn't spring to attacking me all that much. You might still very well reject the joke as tasteless and unfunny (I have a hard time arguing against those beliefs) but I don't think you'd think I was literally attempting to bully and hurt a 9-year-old girl.

I mean, you wouldn't assume that (I hope!).


____________________

That might be because we're a bunch of suck ups and fear your torrent of swear words.

Hell I almost would bet that you would never do that joke after the age of what?

19?

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 07:14 PM (r2PLg)

150 I think the media is freaking out because the joke is a mirror. They subconsciously see that this is what they do to everyone they report on. There has to be something wrong with everyone they report on. They can't be truly reporting if they haven't found a skeleton in the closet. Some nasty habit. Something that can bring them down to the gutter. Something to make the reporter, and their pathetic readers, feel better about their life and not feel inferior to a "celebrity" or "hero". So everyone, in their eyes, turns out to be "kind of a cunt". And in this case, The Onion just scooped them.

Posted by: Dang at February 25, 2013 07:14 PM (R18D0)

151 126 I can't recall a single person, here, objecting to us ripping on Honey Boo-Boo.

That's because if you called Honey Boo-Boo a c**t, her mama will EAT YOU.
Posted by: wheatie at February 25, 2013 07:11 PM (eyJSG)
Corrected.

Posted by: CAC at February 25, 2013 07:14 PM (6v/2T)

152 148 In Japan, The Matrix Is Now Reality As Humans Are Used As Living Batteries

So what is Japan's solution? A quite ingenious one: as Geek.com and ASR both report, Japan's Fujifilm has created organic printed sheet that harvests energy from body heat, or in other words, converts body heat to electricity. Finally, at least one key part of the Matrix "reality" is now fully operational - the use of human beings as batteries.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 25, 2013 07:13 PM (e8kgV)


No wonder they are still after whales! They'd be like a nuclear reactor at Seaworld!

Posted by: model_1066 at February 25, 2013 07:15 PM (7xPCu)

153 126
I can't recall a single person, here, objecting to us ripping on Honey Boo-Boo.

Yeah but she's a white, redneck, chubby li'l backwoods incest bred child from flyover country.

See the difference?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 07:15 PM (qyv02)

154 126, most of the ripping on Honey Boo Boo is directed at the mom and the viewers. It's confusing, though, because the little girl was called Honey Boo Boo, but now the show is called that and the little girl is mostly called by her real name. Really, though, even thats not the same---she wasnt called a c-word and she was famous for bratty trashy behavior, while the actress wasn't.

Posted by: jenny on the phone at February 25, 2013 07:15 PM (3FIgp)

155
>>She's fair game, and I'm sure nobody called her a c..t.Just called the show and her Family out for its stupidity...

Not if this other girl isn't fair game. Yes, she's hideous. Vile, even. But there's no difference.
Commenters here, myself included, have had much worse to say about her and without any sendup to a standard comedy sctick /bit. All without a single objection.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:15 PM (k3lfd)

156 Since this was meant as a joke, shouldnt that be the standard it should be judged by, as being funny or not funny. I don't think anyone thought it was funny. I know most parents with little kids will be upset that this was directed at a 9 yr old girl, but she is in the public eye and it's the bad that comes with being famous. Whether its fair or proper or not, she should get used to it. What other people say about her is completely out of her control. She and her parents have the option of leaving movies until she is older.

Posted by: L, elle at February 25, 2013 07:16 PM (0PiQ4)

157 As far as the Limbaugh 'joke' -- I actually heard every word, real-time as he conjectured on what to call Sandra Fluke. It wasn't comedy, or an attempt at a joke at her expense, more of a 'What do we call her?" type of question.

It wasn't funny, it wasn't supposed to be funny. It was more or less a fifty plus year old year male wondering what-in-the-hell you call a young woman with sexual 'needs' that appeared to be 'off the chart'.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 25, 2013 07:16 PM (feFL6)

158
So I'm getting that someone threw an onion at Sandra Fluke, and I should carewhy?

Posted by: Afro Squid at February 25, 2013 07:16 PM (waPTh)

159
I've overheard Ghey guys call each other "c**t"...as a sort of term of endearment.

It's similar to the way that black people call each other "ni**er".

If the guy at the Onion who tweeted this is ghey...then maybe that's his out.

Posted by: wheatie at February 25, 2013 07:16 PM (eyJSG)

160 129 Hello Donna,

I never saw the word ***t, nor would I have persobnally let its maluse be tolerated silently.

I do attack the Honey Boo Nation and mock her mother and to a degree her accent.

Not a source of deep pride but if it is okay to call this Cajun 9YO **** why were malia jokes over the line?

and Ace I am not asking that to directly challenge your judgement, merely highlighting a disadvantage we have because of our standards.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:17 PM (LRFds)

161 I'll cut them some slack. 85% of 9-year old girls do grow up to be c*nts.

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 25, 2013 07:17 PM (6H6o8)

162 Once can SEE the sick, sick humor in using one.
There is no humor in simply calling a child a racial slur.
Posted by: CAC at February 25, 2013 07:13 PM (6v/2T)

_____________________

Well I guess I should take the comedy factor out of it.

The black community has sort of owned the word N******--but our government and hierarchy think they can't handle the word--and not all of the community can "handle" the word.

Women have owned the word "bitch" and it has lost it's effect.

Now the word in question--that hasn't happened yet.

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 07:17 PM (r2PLg)

163 As far as the Limbaugh 'joke' -- I actually heard every word, real-time as he conjectured on what to call Sandra Fluke. It wasn't comedy, or an attempt at a joke at her expense, more of a 'What do we call her?" type of question.

It wasn't funny, it wasn't supposed to be funny. It was more or less a fifty plus year old year male wondering what-in-the-hell you call a young woman with sexual 'needs' that appeared to be 'off the chart'.
------------------
Mega Dittos.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 25, 2013 07:17 PM (J8DGo)

164 six-fingered sister.

Posted by: CAC

How did I miss this?!? What channel is this on? I sure hope it's not a premium channel. *puts a bag of popcorn in the microwave and slips into his jammies*

Posted by: Dang at February 25, 2013 07:18 PM (R18D0)

165 What she was called is not possible yet. She's a "mädchen."

Posted by: By Popular Demand at February 25, 2013 07:18 PM (KqwSL)

166 Substitute 'bitch' for the other word. Still outrageous?

Probably less so. And less 'funny.'

But it's still a weak joke.

Something with a little more premise to it might have worked better.

Posted by: zsasz at February 25, 2013 07:18 PM (MMC8r)

167
>>There's a sizable difference between an oscar-winning 9 year old and a girl who dances on go-go juice hanging with her morbidly obese mother, convicted-felon father and six-fingered sister.

No. There isn't.
There is not one bit of difference except people react offended when you do it to a cute little Oscar winning actress and laugh when you do it to a fat little white trash kid.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:18 PM (k3lfd)

168 159
I've overheard Ghey guys call each other "c**t"...as a sort of term of endearment.

It's similar to the way that black people call each other "ni**er".

If the guy at the Onion who tweeted this is ghey...then maybe that's his out.
Posted by: wheatie at February 25, 2013 07:16 PM (eyJSG)

______________

Right.

However I bet you have never heard females call each other that affectionately--or if you have then rarely.

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 07:19 PM (r2PLg)

169
The "joke" was stupid and tasteless. It was mysogynistic and was sexualizing a 9 year old. So it had the whole pedophilia vibe going for it.

Worse, IT WAS NOT FUNNY. If you are going to use a child as the punchline of a joke, tasteless or not, the damned joke better be hilarious.

The joke was not funny, and it had the creepy, pedophile, tasteless vibe. It had nothing.

Posted by: rd at February 25, 2013 07:19 PM (zLp5I)

170 Ace,

The charge of over-thinking some things is true about your movie reviews, but not this post.

It is imperative that we take back the language from the left, and it is exactly this kind of thing that is vitally important.

Hammer them for turning a tasteless joke into rape, or whatever tortured extrapolations the left can conjure up to attack us.

[Oh, here's a review of Seven Psychopaths: See it, it's good. That is not over-thought.]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2013 07:19 PM (GsoHv)

171 21 What's this thread about, really?

It's about words. And that there seem to be words and people that should never meet the twain.

But it's not all people, it's certain people.

Honey Boo Boo's Mom is lazy - fine.

Obama is lazy - code

Laura Ingraham is a whore - fine.

Sandra Fluke is a slut - Murder One, but we're willing to reduce it to clamslaughter in a plea deal with restitution.

Sarah Palin is stupid - duh..

Susan Rice is incompetent - Please set your secret decoder ring to "N".

etc. etc.

Ben Carson M.D. does not practice political correctness. He talks of how he was constantly the butt of jokes growing up in Detroit. Any of those jokes tasteless you think? And yet he grows up to be the most badass pediatric neurosurgeon in the world with the brass to tell everyone and Obama to his face that he's doing it wrong.

Ben Carson doesn't have time to be offended. He's too busy being a cross between Marcus Welby, Shaft, and Mothra.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 25, 2013 07:19 PM (Ch4bQ)

172 167 garrett,

yes there is...

that you can't see it says more about you than us.

I snarked at Honey Boo Nation 75+% of my posts on the matter...and never would drop the **** or even "sow" bombs on her

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:20 PM (LRFds)

173 169
The "joke" was stupid and tasteless. It was mysogynistic and was sexualizing a 9 year old. So it had the whole pedophilia vibe going for it.

Worse, IT WAS NOT FUNNY. If you are going to use a child as the punchline of a joke, tasteless or not, the damned joke better be hilarious.

The joke was not funny, and it had the creepy, pedophile, tasteless vibe. It had nothing.
Posted by: rd at February 25, 2013 07:19 PM (zLp5I)


Usually, that sort of thing is celebrated and encouraged by leftys.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 25, 2013 07:20 PM (7xPCu)

174 brb, got the urge to go shopping again...

Posted by: Jose Angel Perales at February 25, 2013 07:20 PM (FcR7P)

175 Those primitive hunter gatherers, at age 30, had the same odds of dying as a modern Swedish or Japanese man would face at 72.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 25, 2013 07:21 PM (e8kgV)

176 Ace, it isn't that the Onion decided to bully the girl. It's actually worse.

By using this word they are telling us that she is a NOTHING, a non-entity. She doesn't matter because their making a show of their cleverness is more important.

This is dehumanization, much like slaves were thought of as livestock.

It is a bad thing, and the overreaction is because people know it is wrong, but they don't know exactly how to articulate it.

If it were my 9 year-old granddaughter, I would do everything I could to make sure she didn't see it. But that wouldn't protect her from bullies at school who would make sure she knew about it.

You apparently think 9 year-olds live in a protective bubble. This is not true. The girl will be told about the Onion comment by some mean girl at her school, or a boy who thinks vulgarity is funny.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 25, 2013 07:21 PM (GoIUi)

177 >> I don't know if we (as a group) are claiming this in order to use this tactic against the left (and, by doing so, get the left to knock it off)

That's what it seems like. I don't recall us going all TEH OUTRAGEZ!!11! until relatively recently.

And I'm with you on the Onion thing, FWIW. It was so unfunny that Bill Maher could've written it, but we should drop the fucking clutching of the pearls shit.

Posted by: Andy at February 25, 2013 07:21 PM (OZPoa)

178 OK Making a joke about a grown woman who appears before congress to testify that the cost of contraception for her sexual needs outstrip her financial resources as a student... SO A VALID TARGET. The joke, tasteless and poorly executed.

Making fun of children? Generally, I don't think subjecting children to scorn and ridicule, or even simply being the object of a good natured joke of non familial adults for entertainment purposes of a group is a great thing to do. It's almost impossible not to be a dick in that case.

That's why I avoid Malia and Sasha as the brunt of jokes. I don't think you would tolerate any of us making jokes about them funny or not.

So yeah. Rush Limbaugh was tasteless. The ONN guy was a dick. That's it, he wasn't trying sexualize her or promote anything bad like VAW or other hyperactive nonsense. He was just a dick. And needs to be told apparently. Dude that's a 9yo girl, seriously you're a dick.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 25, 2013 07:21 PM (0q2P7)

179 There's a sizable difference between an
oscar-winning 9 year old and a girl who dances on go-go juice hanging
with her morbidly obese mother, convicted-felon father and six-fingered
sister.

Posted by: CAC at February 25, 2013 07:12 PM (6v/2T)

I'm guessing at least 30 pounds, but other than that...nope...they are identical targets.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2013 07:22 PM (GsoHv)

180 I'm guessing Ace writes for The Onion. At least, I hope he does. Because this is a lot of pixels to waste on something so inconsequential.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 25, 2013 07:22 PM (rpFf/)

181 And let's not forget Trig Palin, eh, if we're saying some subjects are off limits.

Posted by: zsasz at February 25, 2013 07:22 PM (MMC8r)

182 . I don't think anyone thought it was funny. I know most parents with little kids will be upset that this was directed at a 9 yr old girl, but she is in the public eye and it's the bad that comes with being famous.

_________________


That's probably the legal argument.

But there are also social norms.

And I guess it is comedy's job to test those.

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 07:22 PM (r2PLg)

183 that you can't see it says more about you than us.

I snarked at Honey Boo Nation 75+% of my posts on the matter...and never would drop the **** or even "sow" bombs on her

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:20 PM (LRFds)This is typical of those who suffer selective poutrage...and you, sven do this quite a bit.*btw - poutrage was a typo, but I like it almost as much if not more.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:22 PM (ICDox)

184 No. There isn't.
There is not one bit of difference except people react offended when you do it to a cute little Oscar winning actress and laugh when you do it to a fat little white trash kid.
Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:18 PM (k3lfd)
So there is NO difference whatsoever in mocking someone who represents every awful stereotype of white southerners right down to the morbid obesity poor eating habits inability to speak properly felon-of-a-father AND being the latest in TLC's Circus Funhouse (volunteering to be such, in fact)...

and a girl who just won an Oscar.

Gotcha.

Posted by: CAC at February 25, 2013 07:22 PM (6v/2T)

185 I think calling a 9yr old girl the C word, even in jest, is a really bad idea

I think defending the joke, and the writer of the joke, is also a bad idea

yes yes, the 1st Amendment. But there's quite a gulf between Thomas Paine's Common Sense and The Onion calling a little girl 'a c***'. Elevating one cheapens the other.

sometimes you have to point at people, even those you think are on your side, and say, 'Hey. You fucked up.'

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 07:22 PM (8sCoq)

186 By allowing themselves to become over excited and angry at the use of a WORD by anyone for any reason, those who play this victim card only give the word more power.

It's like the evil magicians in the stories where they only can gain power over you if YOU LET THEM.

There should be NO words so horrible that they can't be said under any circumstances.

By their exposure and by inappropriate use and the disdain they would gather, these words would cease to be so negatively powerful.

We've done this to ourselves.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 07:22 PM (qyv02)

187 >>>Since this was meant as a joke, shouldnt that be the standard it should be judged by, as being funny or not funny. I don't think anyone thought it was funny.

no not very funny, and an old (and cliched) joke. Even for the Onion's twitter feed (kind of their outlet for crap) it's hack. An "amateur" could sort of be excused for using it, but someone making money for comedy shouldn't use old sitcom jokes.

>>>The joke was not funny, and it had the creepy, pedophile, tasteless vibe. It had nothing.

I just don't get it. Did my/Laura's Valentine's Day Rejected Candy Hearts suggest to you that we really wanted to stalk and murder people?




Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:23 PM (LCRYB)

188 and for the record, the difference you claim exists is what make the (bad) joke work.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:23 PM (ICDox)

189 This is part of the reason we have taboo words.

Because there's almost no good context in which to use them and I would suggest that when you feel the need to use it, you should hold back.

But, of course, the Left invents taboo words.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2013 07:23 PM (T0NGe)

190
The Left is laying the groundwork for putting controls on speech, as Canada and Europe have, that offends anyone. Of course, they figure that they'll be making the determination of whether or not something is offensive. Pretty soon disparaging a leftist will be "offensive," or "hate speech." Voila! First Amendment gutted.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 25, 2013 07:23 PM (IDSI7)

191 It is imperative that we take back the language from the left, and it is exactly this kind of thing that is vitally important.
-------------------

Jeff Goldstein, Call Your Office!

All we need now is some venue to get Ace and Jeff on some sort of internet radio thing together to spread their Credenda of Language.

They'd be like the Wonder Twins of linguistics - Zan and Jayna, Jayna and Zan. Wonder Twin Powers, Activate!!

Ace - form of an ewok
Jeff - shape of a kettleball

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 25, 2013 07:24 PM (J8DGo)

192 183 Sounds French and like a real filthy fetish."He's into Poutrage."

Posted by: steevy at February 25, 2013 07:24 PM (9XBK2)

193 Butt of Jokes growing up in Detroit, Now who is the or what is the Joke, I lived in Detroit for 30 years from the before Black Control to the end is near with Black control...Coleman Young to ?

Posted by: Clemenza at February 25, 2013 07:24 PM (x59Gv)

194 I thought the joke was cute.

Posted by: Mr Menemdez at February 25, 2013 07:24 PM (ykof+)

195 >>>I think calling a 9yr old girl the C word, even in jest, is a really bad idea

>>>I think defending the joke, and the writer of the joke, is also a bad idea

Holy Shit, this joke is now dragging people under by proxy!

Wow! Okay, He's The Worst Monster Since Hitler!

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:24 PM (LCRYB)

196 Maybe this will help.

4/4 time, with a bounce.

I can smell your cunt,
Tree fried steak.

I can smell your big.fat.cunt.tree
fried steak.

I can smell your cunt,
Tree fried steak.

I can smell your country fried steak.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 25, 2013 07:24 PM (Ch4bQ)

197 This whole whoorah says more about those who read/heard the "joke" than the guy/gal who tweeted it.

And not in a good way for the most part.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 07:25 PM (qyv02)

198 Limbaugh's joke had the advantage of also being demonstrably true.

Posted by: Truman, schmuman at February 25, 2013 07:25 PM (WgEZw)

199 Holy Shit, this joke is now dragging people under by proxy!

Wow! Okay, He's The Worst Monster Since Hitler!

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:24 PM (LCRYB)
And since no publicity is bad publicity...
We are all monsters for continuing to talk about it.

Posted by: CAC at February 25, 2013 07:25 PM (6v/2T)

200 Over thinking, over analyzing...

Posted by: Tool at February 25, 2013 07:25 PM (11Tdq)

201 "poutrage"

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:22 PM (ICDox)

Already stolen.

Thanks.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2013 07:25 PM (GsoHv)

202 185 I think calling a 9yr old girl the C word, even in jest, is a really bad idea

I think defending the joke, and the writer of the joke, is also a bad idea

yes yes, the 1st Amendment. But there's quite a gulf between Thomas Paine's Common Sense and The Onion calling a little girl 'a c***'. Elevating one cheapens the other.

sometimes you have to point at people, even those you think are on your side, and say, 'Hey. You fucked up.'
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 07:22 PM (8sCoq)


__________________

Damn great comment. Has me thinking.

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (r2PLg)

203 A guy calls a girl a cunt, he's a dick. Okay, got it.

Posted by: Dang at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (R18D0)

204 180 I'm guessing Ace writes for The Onion. At least, I hope he does. Because this is a lot of pixels to waste on something so inconsequential.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 25, 2013 07:22 PM (rpFf/)




Careful, he'll make you go to Hot Air.....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (GEICT)

205 179 CBD,

I am not sure that is the case, in the case of Honey Boo she is the subject of a weekly assault on the United States whereas the 9 year old actress engages in works of art and is not held up as a lead star.


Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (LRFds)

206 >>>his whole whoorah says more about those who read/heard the "joke" than the guy/gal who tweeted it.

I just don't get how an obvious joke is a commentary on someone's Loose Morals.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (LCRYB)

207 Ann Coulter was on that asshole Piers Morgans sow and all he did was get her to apologize for using the word retard about Obama.The whole show,he even cancelled a segment to bring in a ,ah,retard,to explain why using that word was so aweul.

Posted by: steevy at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (9XBK2)

208 @ 189 how does holding back been working out for the country, what was the line from Patton the Movie " I give it to them hard and fast" You pussy foot around and pretty soon your all pussy, My Apologies to the Women and Children here today..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (x59Gv)

209 Is calling someone a c*** sexualizing them? Calling a guy a dick wouldn't be.

Posted by: zsasz at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (MMC8r)

210 I hope Niedermeyer's reading the Hot Air thread on this subject.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:27 PM (LCRYB)

211 (CNSNews.com) - While presenting an oral argument in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia last fall, a lawyer for the U.S. Justice Department told a federal judge that the Obama administration believed it could force the judge’s own wife—a physician—to act against her religious faith in the conduct of her medical practice.

The assertion came in the case of Tyndale House Publishers v. Sebelius, a challenge to the Obama administration’s regulation requiring health-care plans to cover sterilizations, contraceptives and abortion-inducing drugs.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 25, 2013 07:27 PM (e8kgV)

212 Careful, he'll make you go to Hot Air.....
Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (GEICT)
Like that 2-D prison-thing from Superman.

Posted by: CAC at February 25, 2013 07:27 PM (6v/2T)

213 there's nothing remaining for the left to pervert, except children.. nowhere to go after that

Posted by: Barack Ovomit at February 25, 2013 07:27 PM (XvrTA)

214 195 >>>I think calling a 9yr old girl the C word, even in jest, is a really bad idea

>>>I think defending the joke, and the writer of the joke, is also a bad idea

Holy Shit, this joke is now dragging people under by proxy!

Wow! Okay, He's The Worst Monster Since Hitler!

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:24 PM (LCRYB)
_________

*Flag* unfair argument technique--you a lawyer should know that.

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 07:27 PM (r2PLg)

215 Wow! Okay, He's The Worst Monster Since Hitler!

Shit, I gotta get on my game.

Posted by: Godzilla at February 25, 2013 07:27 PM (MMC8r)

216 >> I just don't get it. Did my/Laura's Valentine's Day Rejected Candy Hearts suggest to you that we really wanted to stalk and murder people?

*cough*

Ixnay on the urder-may, OK. Laura's crawl space is a bitch to move things in and out of.

Hypothetically, I mean.

Posted by: Andy at February 25, 2013 07:27 PM (OZPoa)

217 I would suggest that when you feel the need to use it, you should hold back.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2013 07:23 PM (T0NGe)

Spend some time with my younger sister and then get back to me.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2013 07:27 PM (GsoHv)

218 I've never attacked Honey Boo Boo. I believe she is acting age appropriate dealing with what she has to deal with. She is also supporting herself and her entire family. How many of you can say did that at age 6?

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 25, 2013 07:28 PM (6J6x7)

219 210 I hope Niedermeyer's reading the Hot Air thread on this subject.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:27 PM (LCRYB)

_________________

You're such a douchette.

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 07:28 PM (r2PLg)

220

'It's similar to the way that black people call each other "ni**er".'
used to work with JD's in NY (south Bronx) and they called each other that like a derogatory term like "white trash"...go figure.

Posted by: Afro Squid at February 25, 2013 07:28 PM (waPTh)

221 183 garrett,

Oh garrett darling if I poutrage you my dear sir/ma'am are an inveterate fucking scold princess.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:28 PM (LRFds)

222 *cough*

Ixnay on the urder-may, OK. Laura's crawl space is a bitch to move things in and out of.

Hypothetically, I mean.
Posted by: Andy at February 25, 2013 07:27 PM (OZPoa)
Yeah but she's all out of chloroform right now, so we're in the clear.

Posted by: CAC at February 25, 2013 07:28 PM (6v/2T)

223 Okay I only heard you were a lawyer and now I am going to run off like a ninny.

Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 07:29 PM (r2PLg)

224 pg and garrett GFYS

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:29 PM (LRFds)

225 I didn't get a pedo vibe at all. At all. No creep factor, just sad that someone, would even jokingly call a 9 year old such a thing.

From what I understand, she got a little huffy with a reporter. Good on her. Had the Onion called her a bitch, I'd still be annoyed, but not as shocked. And it would have been a little bit funny, in that way you're ashamed for laughing about.

But c*** and a 9 year old...not funny.

Having said all that, I don't think whoever did it was a monster, just stupid.

I can't say as I agree with the the Fluke comparison, either. She made her own bed with that, whining about paying for birth control whilst attending a 125K university. And one she knew going into wouldn't cover birth control. That was all staged, all rigged.

This was just a small child, maybe overly wound up, at a huge event getting called something vulgar because she wasn't fawning over the press.




Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 25, 2013 07:29 PM (Ixkum)

226 9 year old = 30 year old ?

No.

Crude, stupid and not funny. With that said, let's move on.

Posted by: Cheri at February 25, 2013 07:29 PM (EAgmr)

227 Remember when they called Shirley Temple the V-Word?

Posted by: Craig Poe at February 25, 2013 07:29 PM (BVkEs)

228 Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (LRFds)

I'm not talking about what people are doing, I am talking about the fact that they are both in the public sphere, and are therefore equally fair game.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2013 07:30 PM (GsoHv)

229 I remember trying to argue something similar a number of years ago when Opie and Anthony got in trouble for having the crazy guy on their show who talked about banging Condi Rice.

I think what bugs me so much about this sort of thing is that it legitimizes the worldview that every single utterance a person makes is an opportunity to cudgel them into obedience, however defined. It the same stupid trivial point-scoring mentality you see the media making all the time--think "binders full of women."

Ignoring something you don't like is apparently not an option anymore.

Posted by: AndrewR at February 25, 2013 07:30 PM (YcklU)

230 What if the same terminology had been used to describe Ben Affleck's crowning moment? Tasteless, but I'd have probably laughed.

Posted by: Fritz at February 25, 2013 07:30 PM (WM+rJ)

231 This just brings me to the oft spoken never heard by White Folks the N word..If your in Compton it is similar top Valley Talk ie: Like: LIke : you know[[get it? .Now I know some White Trash but when you start telling me what I can and cannot say in my own home your trespassing..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 25, 2013 07:30 PM (x59Gv)

232 Careful, he'll make you go to Hot Air.....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (GEICT)

That's like a time out?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 07:31 PM (qyv02)

233 For fuck's sake, is it really not at least mildly funny to you people that someone called a kid a cunt?

Calling someone a cunt has nothing to do with sex. It has everything to do with behavior. Calling a kid a cunt is mildly funny because a kid can't really be a cunt. You need adult sensibilities to be one. It's also mildly funny because it is a gossipy way to degrade a really, really annoying person who is a total bitch. Get over yourselves for Christ's sake.

Posted by: A-Hole at February 25, 2013 07:31 PM (wsGWu)

234 Here's what's tasteless. Mooch doing the big Oscar presentation. Shit, the Oscar show itself. Red carpet bullshit.

Sort of the point The Onion jokester was making. It's all so tasteless, so let me go over-the-top tasteless to highlight it, to outdo it, to call it out.

But then out came Mooch.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at February 25, 2013 07:31 PM (ndp2I)

235 :::Careful, he'll make you go to Hot Air.....:::

He better bring some friends, 'cause I ain't fuckin going without a fight. And when I get there, I'm sticking my dick in the mashed potatoes.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 25, 2013 07:31 PM (JDIKC)

236
Meanwhile -

Best Buy Forecast store closings: 200 to 250

Sears Holding Corp. Forecast store closings: Kmart 175 to 225, Sears 100 to 125

J.C. Penney Forecast store closings: 300 to 350

Office Depot Forecast store closings: 125 to 150

Barnes Noble Forecast store closings: 190 to 240, per company comments

Gamestop Forecast store closings: 500 to 600

OfficeMax Forecast store closings: 150 to 175

RadioShack Forecast store closings: 450 to 550
and Blockbuster dumping 3000 jobs this year.
Maybe I'm too jaded but we lost the language somewhere around " what the meaning of is is " and probably long before.

I'll reserve my pity for those folks suffering more than Quvuvuzela - Hollywood Half Pint ACK TOR.



Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at February 25, 2013 07:32 PM (EZl54)

237 210 I hope Niedermeyer's reading the Hot Air thread on this subject.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:27 PM (LCRYB)




I wonder if they tell people to come hear if they complain about something.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 25, 2013 07:32 PM (GEICT)

238 it is iggers by White folks , they pronounce it a ggars near Martin Luther king Ave..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 25, 2013 07:32 PM (x59Gv)

239
Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:29 PM (LRFds)

Get a grip, Sven.
You are about the most unstable poster here. Manic at times.
You don't have moral authority, in fact you barely ascend to moral clarity.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:33 PM (ICDox)

240 Look, the difference between this and the clown-and-kid-walk-into-the-woods joke or thd creepy valentines thread is that it picks on a specific, and unusual person. Telling a pedophile.joke with the name of a child victim inserted "Megan Kanka and her neighbor walk into the woods" goes too far, even though it's the same joke. We need distance from the gallows to find them funny. This joke would have been about a "type" if it were about someone like Jennifer Lawrence or even Miley Cyrus. This Q girl doesn't really have a type, not even typical child star (its her only acting job that dhe was nominated for) so it's too personal.

Posted by: jenny on the phone at February 25, 2013 07:33 PM (3FIgp)

241 235 He better bring some friends, 'cause I ain't fuckin going without a fight. And when I get there, I'm sticking my dick in the mashed potatoes.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 25, 2013 07:31 PM (JDIKC)




Those aren't mashed potatoes.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 25, 2013 07:33 PM (GEICT)

242 "I'm sticking my dick in the mashed potatoes."

What EoJ Hotel Hellion says to his head chef at least twice a week.


Posted by: kathysaysso at February 25, 2013 07:33 PM (6H6o8)

243 Another thing--- we regularly rip the shit out of people in these
comment threads. And it's because those people have said or done
something that exposes them to rudeness and ridicule. They have it
coming.
. But this little girl is 9 years old and quite inoffensive.

Lastly, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 07:33 PM (8sCoq)

244 If you're looking for an object lesson in changing standards of humor just take a look at "Andy Capp"

When's the last time the comics have featured an alcholic wife beater with his own line of snack foods?

Seriously You Guys - when?

_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 25, 2013 07:34 PM (J8DGo)

245 228 CBD,

CBD I think in saying "they're both fair game" you may be giving in to an artificial equivalence of the 'game."

Not saying it as a point of offense I am saying it as a matter of consideration. The insults at HoneyBoo if one accepts that the rhetorical constructs are the same are in actuality volleyed at Honey Boo nation in most cases not the little darling herself. I have been guilty of the latter on accent but am regularly using Honey Boo Nation as you may recall.

the onion isolated and attacked the gal directly.

there is a difference.

You'll also note that despite ms garrett from the Facts of Life's insistence I did start this with telling ace that intellectually and strategically I agree with him.

That I pointed out emotion wanted to use the left's fire to burn an Ogabe fanboi intellect acknowledges as others have pointed out more elegantly that what we are really burning is the first amendment.

Basically in person the right response would have been a sock to the Onioneer's jaw.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:34 PM (LRFds)

246 I think The Onion can say whatever the hell it wants; I'm not going to boycott them. But there're several big differences between what Limbaugh said about Fluke and what the Onion said about this little girl.


1) The Onion's joke was directed at a 9 year-old girl who was only in the limelight because members of the Academy saw fit to nominate her for an award. Limbaugh's was directed at a 30-something woman who was putting her sex life on display for the world to see.


2) Limbaugh compared Fluke to a prostitute, a slut, a whore, whatever the word was. All of those terms, while not terribly polite, are nonetheless nothing you wouldn't hear on any average subway car. The Onion referred to this little girl as a "c*nt," a word that is so verboten that, like n*gger, it's rarely written in its full form. When it is, it's generally because of the intense loathing the speaker has for the subject of the insult.


Now, I know what the Onion was trying to do. They were making a multi-layered joke that A) anyone can say anything on the internet; B) the most ridiculous, insane things can be said and someone, somewhere is going to believe it; and C) Quvenzhane Wallis is as far from being a c*nt as Lena Dunham is from being a Vestal Virgin. They were satirizing the "insult everyone and everything" aspects of the internet by picking on the most innocent among us.


Fine. I get that. But she is still a nine year old girl. Pick on Amy Adams or Jennifer Lawrence or someone else who's outward persona is cute and sweet. Leave the kid out of it.


I wonder if they'd feel okay about calling Will Smith's son a n**ger, or a fag? I should hope so, because it's the exact same thing as calling this little girl a c*nt. But I have the feeling that having a famous mommy and daddy affords Jalen a protection that young miss Wallis doesn't have.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 25, 2013 07:34 PM (CA2NO)

247 Upon further reflection...

Maybe it's me. I didn't take his joke as a joke. I took it as someone with cache speaking truth to power.

There's this woman who is publicly acting like a complete sex whore in exchange for some petting from the professional left.

She is literally selling her reputation for some validation.

That's slutty on both the sex level and the intellect level.

She is demonstrably a slut, and such things ought to be shunned by polite society.

So Rush calls her what she is, and points out why this made all of us want to take a shower, and I was very pleased with him.

But

Then he weaseled out of taking the position we thought he was taking. Sa-Tired, I think it says in the sidebar. It was a weasel shit move on Rush's part, trading his honor and courage of convictions for the favor of his sponsors.

Honestly I can't fault him because its his ass on the line, but his credibility took a huge hit with me.

Truth is an absolute defense, and it's not like be doesn't have sponsors lining up to get some Limbaugh air.

Posted by: Truman, schmuman at February 25, 2013 07:34 PM (WgEZw)

248 Gamestop Forecast store closings: 500 to 600

That's gotta be, what, 3% of their total? They're worse than Starbucks.

Posted by: zsasz at February 25, 2013 07:34 PM (MMC8r)

249 239 ms garrett,

How's Blair princess?


Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:35 PM (LRFds)

250 Is this a Socon issue?


Posted by: Tool at February 25, 2013 07:35 PM (11Tdq)

251 Wow, NDH got kicked out???

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 25, 2013 07:35 PM (6J6x7)

252
>>Lastly, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.<<

This applies, equally, to be offended at something that is an obvious gag/bit. Nobody ever would have taken that as a serious 'attack' on the actress.
Laugh at it or don't. But it was patently a joke. That's all it was. It never ascended to being anything but a joke.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:36 PM (ICDox)

253 Thanks Miss Marple; that was where I was getting at.

There's two parts to bullying. There's the part of harassing a particular person; that's the part that gets all the press. Let's assume for the sake of argument that the person getting bullied is kind of an ass and deserves it. Whatevs.

But there's also the part where the fuckhead who thinks he's the alpha-wolf, because he's grown used to slapping around the small religious nerd for so long, gets sloppy and starts nonchalantly slapping bystanders around too.

That "Phase II" is where the Onion is at.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 25, 2013 07:37 PM (QTHTd)

254 Wow, NDH got kicked out???

He got furloughed. AceCorp lost its gummint grant in the sequester.

Posted by: zsasz at February 25, 2013 07:37 PM (MMC8r)

255 @248

yeah, they are the Fotomats of the early 2000's

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at February 25, 2013 07:37 PM (EZl54)

256
Also, Sven, you aren't funny.
You never have been. Stick to Fauxtrage. It suits you.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:37 PM (ICDox)

257 @ 236 thats real funny, the Hollyweird Society is loosing some of their dining spots here in El Lay Vato...funny when they loose something then we all suddenly o have a problem..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 25, 2013 07:37 PM (x59Gv)

258 We're not shouting fire in a crowded theater. We're not espousing a particular philosophy. A joke is nothing of the sort. It's usually an extemporaneous comment that's not factual or reasoned.

It's an f'n joke.

Can it be in bad taste? Well isn't that the nature of a joke? It's usually tasteless to someone. It unreasoned and generally ironic. It's not meant as a basis for building the next space shuttle. It's meant to laugh at the geeky (but obviously smart) people that build it.

This is my basic philosophical problem with liberals. They are almost never factual and largely sophistic. Their arguments largely appeal to emotion, not reason.

Their syllogisms are cover for their sophism. They are diversions from the real issues. Enough to convince Democrats low information voters not to vote for those mean Republicans. What a bunch of dupes.

Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 07:37 PM (jBGIf)

259 How the fuck do people care about this enough to actually argue about it?

Posted by: kartoffel at February 25, 2013 07:38 PM (OgNv0)

260 256 garrett,

You however *are* funny sm'am.

Indeed the funniest poster here.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:38 PM (LRFds)

261 It's used like hot sauce, by all the London gangsters, and they are always referring to men. Watch "In Bruges" and "Sexy Beast" again.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at February 25, 2013 07:39 PM (ndp2I)

262 "Fine. I get that. But she is still a nine year old girl. Pick
on Amy Adams or Jennifer Lawrence or someone else who's outward persona
is cute and sweet. Leave the kid out of it."

Except that that was the joke. Yes, it didn't work, but the joke was premised on the idea that it's funny to say something ridiculous, something everyone understands to be NOT TRUE, about a nine year old.




"I wonder if they'd feel okay about calling Will Smith's son a
n**ger, or a fag? I should hope so, because it's the exact same
thing as calling this little girl a c*nt."

Is it? I certainly don't think it is.

Posted by: AndrewR at February 25, 2013 07:39 PM (YcklU)

263 259 kartoffe,

well see a nation just reempowered Chicago Je$u$ based on an imaginary war on tampons...

how are we to REALLY know what matters anymore?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:39 PM (LRFds)

264 > It never ascended to being anything but a joke.

and it has failed miserably

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 07:40 PM (8sCoq)

265
Don't waste your posts on me, Sven.
You only have another 3500 before the week is up.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:40 PM (ICDox)

266 I remember Photomat. Stores closing, especially stores like Sears and Blockbuster, do not bother me that much. They are all part of the creative destruction that is capitalism.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 25, 2013 07:41 PM (jucos)

267 is it really not at least mildly funny to you people that someone called a kid a cunt?

From you? I wouldn't mind. You're a moron (meant with all respect); you comment here, and we generally know where your heart is at.

From The Onion, with its record of weekly assholery, its known political agenda, and its alignment to the international elite and American government class?

No. Bullies. Call them out on it.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 25, 2013 07:41 PM (QTHTd)

268
and it has failed miserably

Yep.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:41 PM (ICDox)

269 >>>got furloughed. AceCorp lost its gummint grant in the sequester.

I didn't kick him out. I suggested that he go to another blog and start up his daily routine of "this doesn't interest me personally, please cater to my desires in every posting."

I hope he can find one. I thought maybe Hot Air.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:41 PM (LCRYB)

270 [iIs it? I certainly don't think it is.
Posted by: AndrewR at February 25, 2013 07:39 PM (YcklU)]


Then you have a very poor understanding of the insulting nature of the term "c*nt."


You're telling me that the Onion saying, "Let's face it, that Jalen Smith -- kind of a fag," isn't identical in its tone and message? Really?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 25, 2013 07:41 PM (CA2NO)

271 wow go on a three hour walk miss a lot...

I had no idea the down nosedived ~200 points....

it was up 42 when last I looked.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:41 PM (LRFds)

272 I got the previous post, Ace. If someone didn't get it, they're not going to get it now.

The Onion obviously goes way over the line. All the time. And they're are all the usual ways to get outraged over this back and forth, but your explanation *made sense to me*.

And it was different. (Whereas this new post looks more like the conventional angle and one I already get.) The mechanics of the joke, though, that was informative, reasonable.

I saw a Daniel Tosh special recently, and it was horribly offensive. Moreover, I'm in many ways a social conservative. But I'll tell you something: I felt like cheering watching that guy. And it's because I'm so, so, sick of being told something "edgy" is edgy when it's not. And it's funny when it's not. Because instead it's safe and hits on the same old, same old. That is, the people who still laugh at George Carlin on YouTube and don't realize they can get it new by watching Bill Maher.

Anyway, I'm not--therefore--repeating the same tired things about edgy humor that we hear all the time. At the end of the day, did it really make you laugh or did you just agree with it?

Laughing is way, way better and covers a multitude of sins.

Gotta run, but basically your previous post covered this point fine, and there's no use belaboring it for those who don't understand what you're talking about.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at February 25, 2013 07:42 PM (m2IdD)

273 269 Ace,

Hotair is good for scolds....

their kind of environment.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:42 PM (LRFds)

274 267--

can't you see why that's wrongheaded? When it's an ally, you say "obviously he didn't mean such a thing" and cut him a break.

When it's an opponent, you postulate he had these *extremely unlikely evils in his heart* and say "Call him out."

Are you not aware that the both thing is happening in both cases, or are you just ignoring that for political baitsmanship?

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:43 PM (LCRYB)

275 Damn, my new hash is one letter away from infamy!

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:43 PM (ICDox)

276 I thought NDH was a chick? This place is confusing to my poor female brain...

Posted by: jenny on the phone at February 25, 2013 07:43 PM (3FIgp)

277
You're such a douchette.

roflz

Posted by: soothsayer at February 25, 2013 07:44 PM (vyPsz)

278 NDH = she, not he (if this is Niedermeyer's Dead Horse we are speaking of).

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 25, 2013 07:44 PM (QTHTd)

279 Yes, NDH is a woman.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 25, 2013 07:44 PM (CA2NO)

280 JOKE BOMBS: Film at 11.

Posted by: zsasz at February 25, 2013 07:44 PM (MMC8r)

281 265 Garrett,

Oh sm'am I can't quit you...

nice though.

That I am so beneath you and indeed so many are makes me wonder if *you* would not in fact be happier elsewhere nobler person than I?

I was sub 700 the last two weeks and sub 800 the last 4 IIRC....

sompared to my 3200 or so personal 'best" I'm a ghost and getting more ghosty all the time.

You do suffer so amongst we the forlorn.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:44 PM (LRFds)

282 203A guy calls a girl a cunt, he's a dick. Okay, got it.
Posted by: Dang at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (R18D0)========================================================I'm kinda with you here in that VaJayJay would have been OK? Except I myself save c**nt for very special chicks that have earned it. I use it sparingly becuase it's special. Otherwise i would have to string a bunch of obscenities together to get the same effect. the problem Ihave is with the girls age I guess, but I didn't read the Onion piece. So my comment has no real validity.

Posted by: Afro Squid at February 25, 2013 07:44 PM (waPTh)

283 She is also supporting herself and her entire family. How many of you can say did that at age 6?
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 25, 2013 07:28 PM (6J6x7)

I'm not sure it was her choice to do so. Do you actually think that it said to itself 'gee, better keep pappy supplied with booze and ma with Lee press-on nails and amphetamines!'?

Posted by: model_1066 at February 25, 2013 07:44 PM (7xPCu)

284

Hot Air = corn field

Posted by: soothsayer at February 25, 2013 07:45 PM (vyPsz)

285 Sandra Fluke is a slut - Murder One, but we're willing to reduce it to clamslaughter

Having a beard is no crime.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 25, 2013 07:46 PM (Lxw+T)

286 NDH is a she, not a he. And she's hardly a "scold" or someone who complains anymore than the rest of the Horde.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 25, 2013 07:46 PM (GEICT)

287 I took from the joke what I would expect from a twitter joke: a brief chuckle.

While the Onion is a professional humor organization or whatever, I expect Twitter to be about as funny as one of my friends cracking a joke on the fly. Would I laugh if one of my buddies called this kid a cunt while we were watching the Oscars? Probably. Then good enough for Twitter.

Posted by: A-Hole at February 25, 2013 07:46 PM (wsGWu)

288 269 >>>got furloughed. AceCorp lost its gummint grant in the sequester.

I didn't kick him out. I suggested that he go to another blog and start up his daily routine of "this doesn't interest me personally, please cater to my desires in every posting."

I hope he can find one. I thought maybe Hot Air.
Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:41 PM (LCRYB)



Shit, I'm so fucking next

Posted by: Truman, schmuman at February 25, 2013 07:46 PM (WgEZw)

289 I just don't get how an obvious joke is a commentary on someone's Loose Morals.





Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (LCRYB)

I was referring to the ones who made this into such a big deal in the beginning.
We're/you're just talking about the ramifications of their first instincts and what it says about them/society and the mess we've made of it all.
Whoopee. I could see this sort of stuff coming 20-30 years ago when people with an axe to grind got all hissy in the beginning of the feminist movement about certain words having the letters m.e.n. or h.i.s. in them. It was amusing but I could tell they were serious and would not let it go. Regardless of how silly it all was/is.And now we're to the point where illegal invaders are documentally challenged potential citizens but Sarah Palin's kid can get trashed 24/7 and no one says boo. (well I think she did some push back on "retard" but it really hasn't taken in many sectors.)
Read any book about Marxism/Communism, the great revolutions and you will see how much importance the revolutionists put on changing the words used and the framing of the questions before the people so as to confuse and obfuscate what they were really doing and what their aims were; subjugation of the population and control of the organs of information.The left in this country has a sure grip on three of the legs necessary for complete control; Academe, news and entertainment/pop culture.
They are making (and after November seems they're succeeding) the final assault on the political and cultural obstacles presented by those who still cling to the last vestiges of our passing civilization.But let's never forget that they had willing assistance all along the way. Some misguided and some thinking they could share in the spoils or that no harm could really come from some of the silly things they promulgated.
It's what a slippery slope is all about. The beginning doesn't look bad and may even look logical and rational to take those first steps but soon the way gets steeper and rockier and eventually you've lost all control and are at the mercy of gravity.That's where we are now; at the verge of losing control and the beginning of the final plunge.
Over words you laugh? Yes over words and who frames the picture presented every day in the little box in the living/viewing room.Words are powerful.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 07:46 PM (qyv02)

290 203A guy calls a girl a cunt, he's a dick. Okay, got it.

Posted by: Dang at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (R18D0)




Yes. I would equate it to a woman calling a man a rapist, for sheer tastelessness. In both cases the speaker is either trolling for the worst possible insult, or doesn't think the insult is as bad as it is.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 25, 2013 07:47 PM (CA2NO)

291 Hot Air = corn field

Posted by: soothsayer at February 25, 2013 07:45 PM (vyPsz)

I would find 'cornhole' or 'corn maze' more acceptable in describing Hot Air.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 25, 2013 07:47 PM (7xPCu)

292 286 BC1981,

and I am not calling her out. I use the 'he" as non gender denotative BC.

I've cornfielded myself a few times, I was sugegsting happier pastures for scolds.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:47 PM (LRFds)

293 "Hot Nair"

Because most comments on that site would steam the beard of of any clam...

Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 07:47 PM (jBGIf)

294 @257
I wish ill on no one, especially not a 9 yr old kid. Ace points out correctly that we have lost the language but it's only useful in my mind as a chronicle of how things were unfair to those who played by rules before the Great Collapse.

When push comes to shove, the same nanny state people that want to preach "tolerance" and "art" and tell everyone what to do in every aspect of their lives, turn out to be humorless thin skinned and intolerant pricks.

I know that there are also real American folks hurting in Hollywood and everywhere. I hope things get better for them.

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at February 25, 2013 07:47 PM (EZl54)

295 Shit, I'm so fucking next
Posted by: Truman, schmuman at February 25, 2013 07:46 PM (WgEZw)
--------------------------------------------------------
You betta check yoself before you wreck yoself.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 25, 2013 07:48 PM (jucos)

296 Mrs. North is now officially boycotting Onion, and she strongly suggested that I do too.

So... Some people are really bothered by this. I just took it to be the Onion being its classy self.

Posted by: Truman, schmuman at February 25, 2013 07:48 PM (WgEZw)

297 288 truman,

I'll race ya....

I hear ESPN has a good forum interface!

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:48 PM (LRFds)

298 "You're telling me that the Onion saying, "Let's face it, that Jalen
Smith -- kind of a fag," isn't identical in its tone and message?
Really?"

Yes. My understanding of "cunt", for what it's worth, has always been that it's just a dirtier version of "bitch". In that sense it's a generic insult that can be applied to anyone, which makes it different than a racial or gay slur. It's power comes from its shock value, which, again, was the point of the joke.

Again, the joke simply ended up not being funny. The premise wasn't unsound--I can image the same "template", as Ace put it, being used differently to better effect--but it just didn't work. I don't think it proves anything about the Onion beyond the fact that Twitter is not perhaps the best platform on which to debut new material.

Posted by: AndrewR at February 25, 2013 07:48 PM (YcklU)

299 NDH did NOT deserve that.


Uncalled for.








Posted by: Tami at February 25, 2013 07:48 PM (X6akg)

300 293 Marcus,

and on that note I surrender the field...

no way I can top Hot nair.

*salute*

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:49 PM (LRFds)

301 *off

It's my 3rd MaCallan. Cut me some slack.

Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 07:49 PM (jBGIf)

302 Remember that time everyone got really pissed when a bunch of morons called Bill Nye a pedophile?

I mean, Jesus, how dare anyone use such a horrible term to describe anyone!

Posted by: A-Hole at February 25, 2013 07:49 PM (wsGWu)

303 "What's this crap with spinning out ever-wilder speculations about the diseased mind that uttered this Forbidden Joke?"

I got that far into the essay, then got distracted by images of monkeys flinging their feces around. I wasn't able to comprehend much after that... Was it funny?

Posted by: TrueNorthist at February 25, 2013 07:49 PM (3Aixx)

304 Because most comments on that site would steam the beard of of any clam...

You know, a good steam bath loosens the mussels.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 25, 2013 07:49 PM (Lxw+T)

305 So... Some people are really bothered by this. I just took it to be the Onion being its classy self.
Posted by: Truman, schmuman at February 25, 2013 07:48 PM (WgEZw)

The Onion, while sometimes funny, is a puerile bastion of liberal twatwaffleage.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 25, 2013 07:49 PM (7xPCu)

306 Here's the thing: if we start on this jag of declaring ALL 'outrageous' humor to be unacceptable (and not just "tasteless," but bearing real world consequences) on the basis of 1.) the person telling the joke, or; 2.) the target being a designated Favored Person.....then you've pretty much killed stand-up comedy, particularly the variety that plays upon edginess and taboo. Louis CK, please turn over your microphone and go stand in the corner.

And for those claiming that "oh the culture has gotten so depraved recently that this sort of obscenity is what we're left with," um...I would suggest you're unfamiliar with classic comedians of the last 60 years or so. Redd Foxx, George Carlin, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Bill Hicks, Louis C.K., and countless others have (justly) made comedic careers on exactly this sort of humor, albeit more deftly executed.

If a comedian or a writer fucks up and steps on a landmine with a joke, the censure of tastelessness is sufficient consequence, since it's a brutal, dog-eat-dog market (unless you're a thieving hack like Robin Williams). Meanwhile, let's put the Thought Police back in their carbonite storage for now.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 25, 2013 07:50 PM (/COnL)

307 I just don't get it. Did my/Laura's Valentine's Day Rejected Candy Hearts suggest to you that we really wanted to stalk and murder people?

Context is huge in comedy.

If somebody asks "Your money or your life" and George Burns replies with "I'm thinking it over", that's not funny. If Jack Benny says it, it's comedy gold.

That's why we do sitcoms in the US. Once you establish a character, you can have him do all sorts of things that aren't objectively funny, but are hilarious given the character.

When "ace" says something, we morons get it. You're ace. Even when Limbaugh says it, those who listen to him get the context. We may groan that it's stupid or in somewhat bad taste, but we get it.

The Onion's eponymous feed has a different context. It isn't really a guy with a personality (although some Onion defenders want you to think that way). Its personality is that of the faceless NYT editorial board, so it has to be dry.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2013 07:50 PM (T0NGe)

308
there was an epidode or two of Curb Your Enthusiasm with a young girl who said "pussy" a lot, and other stuff pertaining to her privates

it was bottom of the barrel stuff

It's not funny when anyone can think of it.



Posted by: soothsayer at February 25, 2013 07:50 PM (vanqS)

309 It's my 3rd MaCallan. Cut me some slack.
Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 07:49 PM (jBGIf)

Third bottle?

Posted by: model_1066 at February 25, 2013 07:50 PM (7xPCu)

310 So... Some people are really bothered by this. I just took it to be the Onion being its classy self.
Posted by: Truman, schmuman at February 25, 2013 07:48 PM (WgEZw)



I expect anyone who has or had young children would find it very offensive. All you have to do is imagine someone making that joke about your own little girl.

I'm sure people in Ireland weren't thrilled with "A Modest Proposal" either, but at least back then we could be reasonably sure that no one would go to Ireland to actually TRY to turn the babies into food. I'm pretty sure calling children "c*nts" is going to be a "thing" now, just because people who read the Onion are either A) people who understand satire, but who can still be offended by the use of a little girl in a tasteless joke (or not), or B) idiots who don't understand the difference between satire and other forms of comedy. It's the latter group who will think it's soooooo funny.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 25, 2013 07:51 PM (CA2NO)

311 >>>The Onion's eponymous feed has a different context. It isn't really a guy with a personality (although some Onion defenders want you to think that way). Its personality is that of the faceless NYT editorial board, so it has to be dry.

I understand that -- certainly "knowing someone" helps you understand he's not serious.

But that said, what are the odds that we found one of the few people in America who really enjoy bullying sweet 9-year-old girls?

I would say the odds of that are very low. So I'd say he's probably doing exactly what other people do when they do the "We were all thinking it" joke.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:52 PM (LCRYB)

312 >Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 07:49 PM (LRFds)
<

Returns the salute.

I start to lose all semblance of chivalry when the feeling goes out of my toes.

Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 07:52 PM (jBGIf)

313 Are you not aware that the both thing is happening in both cases, or are you just ignoring that for political baitsmanship?

I wouldn't entirely ignore it. When Coulter was calling Edwards a "faggot", as I recall, Michelle Malkin went apeshit on her. So did a lot of people here. So did I.

I ignore it from a random commenting moron here because he doesn't matter as much as does Coulter.

The Onion is a lot more influential than is Coulter. It is aligned with the government caste; and we (Ace commenters) are not, even if we win one of those elections.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 25, 2013 07:53 PM (QTHTd)

314 there was an episode or two of Curb Your Enthusiasm

Curbed. Permanently. Especially for that bald bespectacled twat.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at February 25, 2013 07:53 PM (Lxw+T)

315 >>>I'm pretty sure calling children "c*nts" is going to be a "thing" now

Eh, I'm pretty sure it won't.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 25, 2013 07:53 PM (/COnL)

316 And the fact is that the more something is invested with taboo the more exploitable it is for humor.

That's why joking about rape is currently in vogue, or at least it was a year or two ago.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:54 PM (LCRYB)

317
I would find 'cornhole' or 'corn maze' more acceptable in describing Hot Air

I am obviously referring to the kid from the Twilight Zone. You crouton.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 25, 2013 07:54 PM (NLH1M)

318 But that said, what are the odds that we found one of the few people in
America who really enjoy bullying sweet 9-year-old girls?


Mask slippage.

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at February 25, 2013 07:54 PM (EZl54)

319 >Third bottle? <

Third two finger glass. At my limit.

Yes, yes- I know. Wimp.

Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 07:54 PM (jBGIf)

320 When Coulter was calling Edwards a "faggot", as I recall, Michelle Malkin went apeshit on her.

Well, what do you expect from a lipstick-smeared, mashed-up bag of meat?

Posted by: Keith Olbermann at February 25, 2013 07:54 PM (Lxw+T)

321 The remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.

Posted by: Brandeis' Draugr at February 25, 2013 07:55 PM (Vf2XE)

322 Could we stop with the P word? Prick.

I find it super offensive, and it has no place in polite company.

I feel sexualized, and feel like my manhood is under attack.

sob, snifle.

Posted by: Tool at February 25, 2013 07:55 PM (11Tdq)

323 That's why joking about rape is currently in vogue, or at least it was a year or two ago.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:54 PM (LCRYB)



Yeah, which is something I find disgusting. There's nothing funny about rape, just as there's nothing funny about murder, pedophilia, or any other horrible crime.


But I guess I'm a puritan. Or a humorless hack.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 25, 2013 07:55 PM (CA2NO)

324 Ace:

I've got to disagree with you here. Limbaugh calling an adult, spoiled little bitch law student who vacas in Europe a slut for asking that you and I cover her $9/month birth control bill is entirely appropriate.

It's her desire to have sex and not get pregnant that makes the term/joke "slut" somewhat appropriate and funny, for exactly the principles you outlined. It's kind of like the church lady analogy. Most of us wouldn't care if a woman is on birth control but the kind of shocking use of the term is someone judging an unmarried woman for wanting to bang, so fair game as far as I am concerned. So, the putdown equals the point.

Calling a nine year old girl a cunt doesn't even fit the same category. But as I said, just for jokey's sake, that's probably ok at an all adult, private comedy club. But putting it out in the internet for all to see, forever, just ain't right in my book.

Whatever, freedom of speech and whether or not they should be criticized for it are two different things. I think the critcism is appropriate.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 25, 2013 07:56 PM (tVTLU)

325 Also, I no longer have any reservations about trenchantly and gleefully applying double standards. The left has done it for so long that its a valid tactic-- to use against them-- as long as we understand the tactic.

It's the same principle that's behind my call for us to commit massive vote fraud-- until everyone is subject to the same rules, nothing will ever improve.

It's time to take a pipe wrench to the left. Doing less is conceding defeat.

Posted by: Truman, schmuman at February 25, 2013 07:56 PM (WgEZw)

326 Ann Coulter was on that asshole Piers Morgans sow
and all he did was get her to apologize for using the word retard about
Obama.The whole show,he even cancelled a segment to bring in a
,ah,retard,to explain why using that word was so aweul.


Posted by: steevy at February 25, 2013 07:26 PM (9XBK2)


So, Piers brought in an imbecile to demonstrate the insensitivity of saying retard. Good for him, its a hurtful word and I hope Ann realized that after seeing how it hurt the feelings of an idiot.

Posted by: cm9000 at February 25, 2013 07:56 PM (vfB2N)

327
I am sure I have heard Adam Carolla make this joke.
This exact same joke.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 07:56 PM (E8suz)

328 But that said, what are the odds that we found one of the few people in
America who really enjoy bullying sweet 9-year-old girls?




What we FOUND was one of the people in America who has no problem making a tasteless joke ABOUT a 9 year old girl. That's almost as troubling.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 25, 2013 07:57 PM (CA2NO)

329 Honestly. Go back through The Onion's content. If this story is the "standard" for outrage, they've got a backlog of apologies to print.

I suggest they get started. This may take awhile.

Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 07:57 PM (jBGIf)

330 >>> When Coulter was calling Edwards a "faggot", as I recall, Michelle Malkin went apeshit on her. So did a lot of people here. So did I.

but she was actually calling him that! When she said "Until this affair, I really thought he was a faggot" she MEANT it!

That's kind of big thing, you know. Clearly signaled irony (I don't mean a word of what I'm saying) is a lot different than making the exact joke it sounds like you're saying.

You know, Coulter really had a dig at Malkin on Twitter one time. Probably inspired by this Malkin criticism about "Faggot."

Michelle Malkin tweeted she'd soon have a new website, and Coulter immediately retweeted, "It's called 'I'm Offended!'"

I'm not taking sides here, but I will note that is a really good (and mean) joke.

My affection for Michelle Malkin aside.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:57 PM (LCRYB)

331 >>>And the fact is that the more something is invested with taboo the more exploitable it is for humor.

Yes. See my #306. Some of the best, most viscerally funny humor of any given time period is the humor which directly pierces that particular audience's social taboos and inverts them. If we're no longer allowed to do that, we're left with...Jay Leno, for the most part.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 25, 2013 07:57 PM (/COnL)

332
Uncalled for.

I concur. And I strongly suggest to Ace that he makes nice with NDH.

(serious)

Posted by: soothsayer at February 25, 2013 07:57 PM (NLH1M)

333 Ann Coulter was on that asshole Piers Morgans sow

Piers got a pig? How come I didn't get a pig?

Posted by: Keith Olbermann at February 25, 2013 07:57 PM (Lxw+T)

334 again, the point is that Edwards did, in fact, kind of seem gay.

This joke relies upon you understanding that of course no one really has a bad thing to say about a cute little girl.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:58 PM (LCRYB)

335 One phrase; "Porkin Across America".

Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 07:58 PM (jBGIf)

336 Always the high road, never the low road. Always standing in the impact zone, never taking a turn on the firing line. We all agree, don't we, that that's been a recipe for maintaining hold of the culture? And also what a fresh, pleasant taste that leaves in our mouths.

This involves a nine-year old child. People don't tend to place kids in the same category as adults. That's what makes drawing a moral equivalence between The Onion and Rush Limbaugh inappropriate--one might say moronic. And I can promise Ace that the Onion, and Onion fans, and Leftists in general,will at no time in the future, ever, feel called upon to reciprocate. They will never demonstrate fairness, never regard us as gallant enemies well met across the strife-torn field, no matter how good an example we try to set. They're fighting a war, and regard this sort of ridicule as a weapon, and their opponents who urge their own side to take the high road and show principle as helpful idiots. Morons, so to speak.

Please show some mercy, and go easy with the sanctimony. The problem about what to do with the Left is more pressing. There is a lot of difference between a nine year old kid and a full grown woman working with the cocksuckers trying to eat the country out from within. Jokes about the child are beyond the pale, jokes about an aspiring apparatchik are not.

Posted by: Mike James at February 25, 2013 07:59 PM (cgDgK)

337
What's the best part about showering with a 9 year old Oscar Winner?

Posted by: Roman Polanski at February 25, 2013 07:59 PM (E8suz)

338 >>>What's the best part about showering with a 9 year old Oscar Winner?

That's so tasteless. You obviously have a depraved heart. What are you, some kind of pedophile?

[looks at poster's name]

Ohhhhh....

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 25, 2013 08:00 PM (/COnL)

339 Limbaugh calling an adult, spoiled little bitch law student who vacas in Europe a slut for asking that you and I cover her $9/month birth control bill is entirely appropriate.

Don't forget I was in fact a political slut or whore, and spread myself out for a phony staged press conference that Democrats ginned up to pose as a committee hearing, which it was not. I was slipped into the docket for the actual committee at the last moment, and was therefore not permitted to testify, so the Dems had a temper tantrum and cooked up that presser wearing committee hearing drag.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 25, 2013 08:01 PM (Lxw+T)

340 I do have to wonder how many people on the left are actually having this conversation. Have any of them come out to say, "Um, okay, I get the joke -- haha, by the way -- but maybe using a little girl wasn't the best idea?"

I try to avoid all leftwing sites, so I honestly don't know. And I really don't care to find out, b/c I'm sure I'd just get more depressed.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 25, 2013 08:01 PM (CA2NO)

341 >>>Yeah, which is something I find disgusting. There's nothing funny about rape, just as there's nothing funny about murder, pedophilia, or any other horrible crime

i would say you're confusing the words for the crimes themselves.

Few people actually joke ABOUT these things.

Again, the Rejected Candy Hearts were all about Serial Murder. I trust no one thinks I really think this whole Serial Murder business is overblown or trivial.

A female commedian once said:

"I use the word n*gger all the time..."

(HOSTILE REACTION FROM CROWD)

"What am I going to do? I don't know my doorman's name."

Now, I mean: Obviously she didn't really call him that!

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:01 PM (LCRYB)

342 What's the best part about showering with a 9 year old Oscar Winner?

The shave?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 25, 2013 08:01 PM (Lxw+T)

343 334 >>>This joke relies upon you understanding that of course no one really has a bad thing to say about a cute little girl.


That was apparently a few assumptions too far, even for some of our dear morons.

Posted by: kartoffel at February 25, 2013 08:02 PM (OgNv0)

344 "Is this a Socon issue?"
===============

It can't be. I'm a "socon," and I don't think this joke is worth all the fuss and outrage.

Posted by: Kensington at February 25, 2013 08:02 PM (/AHDz)

345
If JeffB gets it, it can't be that hard to see.
Tasteless jokes are older than you.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 08:02 PM (E8suz)

346 Oh wait, "Black Man given worlds worst job".

That was so obviously racist...

Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 08:02 PM (jBGIf)

347 Yes. See my #306. Some of the best, most viscerally funny humor of any given time period is the humor which directly pierces that particular audience's social taboos and inverts them.

Have you seen that recently?

Hell, I get shit for just mentioning that Sandra Fluke should have been happy to be called "slut" rather than "law student".

If you're going to break taboos, you have to know what you're doing, too. Yelling "fuck" on a street corner is not funny.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2013 08:02 PM (T0NGe)

348 >>>I concur. And I strongly suggest to Ace that he makes nice with NDH.

Are we really all such delicate little flowers around here now? Really? If NDH were a burly 300lb man, would anyone be saying the same thing? C'mon, this is AoSHQ: you say something jerky (hell, if you say something PERIOD) you're going to catch shit from other people. NDH is a lovely person...I'm sure she can handle a gentle "stop telling me what I should and should not post about" comment from someone.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 25, 2013 08:03 PM (/COnL)

349 NDH wasn't told to get out, just told that there's the door after complaining about the topic.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 08:03 PM (qyv02)

350 FWIW. I thought Limbaugh was out of line, too, which would be nothing to me if OTHER people took his remarks as seriously as I do (which is this serious: "bleh, loudmouth") and gave oxygen to an arson attempt.

So it's a joke that people in hollywood say crude catty things about stars. Ok then. Mysogynists are all thinking and whispering and nattering it about this starlet or that has-been and all the stages of face puffing in between.

Dragging a nine-year-old sweetheart of a girl into that collection of usual suspects was somehow supposed to make it funnier: you keep saying it had to be offensive to make the joke work. Here's what, it jsut ended up being offensive. Probably because that joke never worked. It never was funny. It was a fail and an offensive fail 1. Because it's rarely funny to call ladies that, even if you don't mean it or you reserve it for the one's who might arguably deserve it. 2. because nobody thought the writer was thinking it either, but they do think he thinks it about other ladies, but that isn't funny either. NEVER FUNNY.


Sometimes it's funny in the UK because they call everything and everybody that. The postman is C, the bobby's baton is a C, the cat is a C and your best bud is an fing C. Use it here though and you just sound bitter or gay and people back away like you are on fire. Play around with it on little girls and you are going to get punched at least figuratively.


Posted by: SarahW is on to your misogyny and stuff at February 25, 2013 08:04 PM (LYwCh)

351 328 sums it up pretty well. I don't think it's that likely that this writer set out to bully Q, or that he or she regularly targets little girls for fun. I don't think that the Wonkette.jerkoff who picked on Trig just goes "woohoo I get to bully some toddlers with down sydrome!" all the time. But I think it's disturbing that they don't mind involving these kids. Just leave kids (under say 14 at least) out of it. Even if they are in the publuc eye, it's not wholly their choice. How hard is that?

Posted by: jenny on the phone at February 25, 2013 08:04 PM (3FIgp)

352 Would you want to be the one to explain to Ms. Wallis what the c-word means?

Posted by: venus velvet at February 25, 2013 08:04 PM (g94P/)

353 >Again, the Rejected Candy Hearts were all about Serial Murder. I
trust no one thinks I really think this whole Serial Murder business is
overblown or trivial.
<

You were kidding?

Geez, what am I going to do with all this plastic, string and the big pit in my backyard?

Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 08:04 PM (jBGIf)

354 >>>NDH did NOT deserve that.


>>>Uncalled for.

Yes, NDH can whine at me that I'm not pleasing to her but if I suggest that she employ her computer's "Go find your own bliss" button then I'm the asshole.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:04 PM (LCRYB)

355 You know whats tasteless?

James Earl Jones putting on a wig and a glittery dress and presneting the oscar for best picture. Really? The guy who voiced the iconic Darth Vader and hasn't been able to get work in this shitty economy for years has to be demeaned by dressing up as an ugly woman to get a few laughs for a a boring as all fuck show is an appropriate way to treat one of our greatest B movie stars just so he can make a few bucks??

What the hell is wrong with Hollywood?

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 25, 2013 08:04 PM (+OTLF)

356 i would say you're confusing the words for the crimes themselves.



That's the problem, though. As I am fond of saying, words have meaning. I personally believe that certain words shouldn't have their meaning diluted by using them in a joking context, or directed at a particular person.

I mean, would anyone find it funny if someone made a rape joke about Tori Amos? "I mean, why would anyone want to rape her? The sanctimony would be crazy!"

I realize I'm not making my point well, but this is just one of those subjects that gets my blood up. I'm all for free speech, but as in all things, free speech cuts both ways. I think the Onion would be pretty stupid to NOT have expected this particular quip to blow up in their face.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 25, 2013 08:05 PM (CA2NO)

357 >>>If you're going to break taboos, you have to know what you're doing, too. Yelling "fuck" on a street corner is not funny.

Oh, I agree completely. Which is why I wrote in #306 that a joke bombing is its own sufficient consequences. It's a fine, fine line to walk (one which 99% of people are incapable of) and if you don't pull it off, you get catcalls and the big metaphorical vaudeville hook. Because you gotta please the audience.

Which is where it should end. And not continue further into "BURN THE WITCH!" hysterics and proposed blanket Rules For Tasteful Comedy to be imposed by social fiat.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 25, 2013 08:05 PM (/COnL)

358 That was an unfortunate sock to still have in the sock box. I don't really mean that.

Posted by: SarahW is on to your misogyny and stuff at February 25, 2013 08:06 PM (LYwCh)

359 What the hell is wrong with Hollywood?

Too many cunts, dicks and faggots.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 08:06 PM (qyv02)

360 :::316 And the fact is that the more something is invested with taboo the more exploitable it is for humor.

That's why joking about rape is currently in vogue, or at least it was a year or two ago.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 07:54 PM (LCRYB):::

The whole reason I beat the rape jokes into the ground was because a couple of commenters here pulled that, "Then I guess you're okay with rape" bullshit.

Reductio ad rapem is how I get down with Señor False Equivalency.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 25, 2013 08:07 PM (JDIKC)

361 Yelling Fuck on a street corner can be funny...if you have a flash mob of rabbits ready.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 25, 2013 08:07 PM (+OTLF)

362 I can't go back and take it off now.

Posted by: SarahW at February 25, 2013 08:07 PM (LYwCh)

363 That Mother Theresa,what a cunt right?
This a trick question?
Posted by: zombie Chris Hitchens at February 25, 2013 06:56 PM (QTHTd)

===============

All right, breaks over! Back in the lake of boiling intestines and barbed razor blades, Hitchens!

Posted by: Demon Overseer Wraxx at February 25, 2013 08:07 PM (/AHDz)

364 >>>That's the problem, though. As I am fond of saying, words have meaning. I personally believe that certain words shouldn't have their meaning diluted by using them in a joking context, or directed at a particular person.


this is exactly the Tactic 2 I'm describing above. "If you joke about it, or even about the IDEA of joking about it (which is what these jokes are, jokes about how taboo it is to joke about it), then you're increasing the chances of rape and murder and pedophilia because then people think it's okay..."

This is a very big meme among the feminist left. I reject it completely.

Furthermore, I reject the dehumanizing notion that literally everything one says must be be patrolled for any possible hypothetical attenuated real-world effects.

One may be his brother's keeper but he's not the whole goddamned world's keeper.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:08 PM (LCRYB)

365 Somebody needs to define "tasteful" comedy for me.

Because by definition comedy is tasteless.

Perhaps "not funny". But it's not like we're judging Cabernet.

Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 08:08 PM (jBGIf)

366 359,

Makes me recall a certain speech from Team America: World Police...

Posted by: A-Hole at February 25, 2013 08:08 PM (wsGWu)

367 All right, breaks over! Back in the lake of boiling intestines and barbed razor blades, Hitchens!

Just the existence of Hell (and all it's implications) would be torture enough for Chris.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 08:08 PM (qyv02)

368 >>>he whole reason I beat the rape jokes into the ground was because a couple of commenters here pulled that, "Then I guess you're okay with rape" bullshit.

and if you remember I never scolded your or claimed "That's not funny."

I did ask you to stop, for purposes of harmony, and out of fear people wouldn't realize the I Mean This/I Don't Mean This At All distinction that is so critical in that kind of a joke.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:09 PM (LCRYB)

369 Somebody needs to define "tasteful" comedy for me.

Posted by: We'll let you know - The State Media at February 25, 2013 08:10 PM (qyv02)

370 Is calling someone a c*** sexualizing them? Calling a guy a dick wouldn't be.

Posted by: zsasz

I'd give you a cigar but it looks a lot like a dick.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at February 25, 2013 08:10 PM (R18D0)

371 SarahW,

Please don't take it personally; I think you're great.

This is, as I said above, something that's been bothering me generally lately, and which I almost wrote a post about a week or two back.

The instant matter is just an excuse to talk about this.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:11 PM (LCRYB)

372 Make one c**t joke and you're a Misogynist forever.

Posted by: We'll let you know - The State Media at February 25, 2013 08:11 PM (qyv02)

373 363 God passed on Hitch? I'm starting to doubt his skill as a recruiter.

Posted by: kartoffel at February 25, 2013 08:11 PM (OgNv0)

374 Somebody needs to define "tasteful" comedy for me.


Posted by: We'll let you know - The State Media

Fart jokes. They're at the top of the joke pyramid. And it all goes downhill from there.

Posted by: Dang at February 25, 2013 08:11 PM (R18D0)

375 I ate a bunch of candy with sugar alcohols in it the past 3 days and I've been farting so much it's been physically painful.

This isn't a joke. This is my life.

And I'm going to have more.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:12 PM (LCRYB)

376 So is THIS a QuickFire™ moment?

Posted by: We'll let you know - The State Media at February 25, 2013 08:12 PM (qyv02)

377 This is a very big meme among the feminist left. I reject it completely.



And as we all know, I regularly tell the feminist left to go to hell and take their self-aggrandizement with them. They speak for no one but themselves, and the world would be done a favor if they all had their teeth knocked out.


I suppose my problem is with tasteless humor. Not every murder joke is tasteless, amazingly. But some are so clearly tasteless that the point of them escapes me.


Look, I know how I feel, I know how others feel, there's no point beating this poor dead horse any longer. I'll just keep my jokes confined to those above the age of majority, and frown disapprovingly on those who do otherwise. And everyone else can do what they want.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 25, 2013 08:13 PM (CA2NO)

378 :::and if you remember I never scolded your or claimed "That's not funny."

I did ask you to stop, for purposes of harmony, and out of fear people wouldn't realize the I Mean This/I Don't Mean This At All distinction that is so critical in that kind of a joke. ;::

Oh, I do. I wasn't complaining and it had run its course - although the hell of it is that the people it was directed at were the ONLY ones who didn't get it.

I'm just excited to have a real world example 200 comments after the thread died.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 25, 2013 08:14 PM (JDIKC)

379 I'm not sure it was her choice to do so. Do you actually think that it said to itself 'gee, better keep pappy supplied with booze and ma with Lee press-on nails and amphetamines!'?
Posted by: model_1066


She's a little girl - not an "it." And yes, I think she is happy to make money. There are laws protecting her from being exploited by her parents. If she didn't want to work, no body could make her.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 25, 2013 08:14 PM (6J6x7)

380 >> Ignoring something you don't like is apparently not an option anymore.

It's always an option for me AndrewR, and one I choose regularly.

I have a low degree of offensensitivity*


*thanks to Berkely Breathed for that term.

I just don't have the energy for 24x7 outragey outrage. Some guy on the interwebs said something stupid. Man the ramparts!

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 25, 2013 08:15 PM (pUqSw)

381 377,

You at least understand that the joke is not at the little girl's expense, correct?

Posted by: A-Hole at February 25, 2013 08:15 PM (wsGWu)

382 374
Somebody needs to define "tasteful" comedy for me.


Your kids eating their government sanctioned carrot and celery sticks and their 1 oz ration of meat for lunch at the local democrat indoctrination mind control camps we call public schools while Me and My Kids Feasts on Lobster and Chili Cheese Fries and then hit the slopes in Aspen.


Posted by: Moochie Antoinette Lobsterzilla Obama at February 25, 2013 08:16 PM (+OTLF)

383 >>>This is a very big meme among the feminist left. I reject it completely.


While I'm not a feminist, sometimes I do think there is some currency to the notion that the acceptability of calling a woman a slut tends to inspire young guys to be a bit "freer," and more rapey, than they would be otherwise.

Just saying, I can see where you're coming from, but for some reason I can't dismiss that nagging thought.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at February 25, 2013 08:17 PM (csi6Y)

384 Question: If the word in question had been replaced with "bitch", would we even talk about it?

"Bitch" is a more common, less offensive term. It also telegraphs the joke better, giving that "bitchiness" is kind of the faux reason for the mockery.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2013 08:17 PM (T0NGe)

385 You at least understand that the joke is not at the little girl's expense, correct?
Posted by: A-Hole at February 25, 2013 08:15 PM (wsGWu)



Yes, of course I understand it wasn't directed at her. My original comment made that quite clear. Whether or not it was at her expense is a different issue.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 25, 2013 08:17 PM (CA2NO)

386 Question: If the word in question had been replaced with "bitch", would we even talk about it?


No.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 25, 2013 08:19 PM (CA2NO)

387 >>>Look, I know how I feel, I know how others feel, there's no point beating this poor dead horse any longer. I'll just keep my jokes confined to those above the age of majority, and frown disapprovingly on those who do otherwise. And everyone else can do what they want.

I understand that this stuff sounds callous... but only a literal level.

Even on the various Young Men Joke Forums, where the rape jokes proliferated, I don't think many of them were actually *thinking* "Rape is overblown so we should trivialize it."

I also don't think it actually does trivialize it, frankly. I can joke with you that I'm going to get loaded up on Schnapps and go Thrill-Driving tonight; but am I really making the world safer for drunk driving? Does anyone really confuse such a joke with actual approval of the thing?

This is one of those cases where the only people who could possibly be so deranged to take that as moral approval and tacit acceptance *are fucked to the core and are going to take ANYTHING that way.*

A million jokes about Ashely and Kate (whatever their names are, the Olsen twins) is only "encouraging" pedophiles who need no encouragement.


Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:20 PM (LCRYB)

388 385,

Fair enough, although I don't understand the trepidation if children are not the targets. To each their own, I guess.

Posted by: A-Hole at February 25, 2013 08:21 PM (wsGWu)

389 >>>While I'm not a feminist, sometimes I do think there is some currency to the notion that the acceptability of calling a woman a slut tends to inspire young guys to be a bit "freer," and more rapey, than they would be otherwise.

Among what cadre?

The people who are on the fence about rape?

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:21 PM (LCRYB)

390 The Femenist Left is just another way of saying...look i belong to a sector of society that is mostly female ugly single sexually unfulfilled owns a vibrator stopped wearing a bra and now have tits or will soonhave tits that will bounce off my knees and am seriously considering having to carpet munch one of my fat homely looking justin bieber haircutted liberal female lesbian friends cause so few men will touch me with out a cash transaction being involved and i hate pretty women with nice houses and families that can cook but I am not bitter, i am just a cranky bitch of a hypocritical cunt that owns three cats.

Posted by: Moochie Antoinette Lobsterzilla Obama at February 25, 2013 08:22 PM (+OTLF)

391 "Furthermore, I reject the dehumanizing notion that literally everything
one says must be be patrolled for any possible hypothetical attenuated
real-world effects.
"

Somewhere between that and broadcasting to the world a joke that involves calling a not hypothetical little girl a c--- there must be a reasonable middle ground. Let them hold on to their innocence a little longer. I know I wouldn't want to be explaining to my 10 yr old niece why the country was laughing (or not) at someone calling her that.

The whole premise of the lame joke was that it violated a taboo, so why be surprised when people react?

Posted by: venus velvet at February 25, 2013 08:22 PM (g94P/)

392 shit sock off

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka muhammad hussein jihadi skeet skeet soetero blame bush wright at February 25, 2013 08:22 PM (+OTLF)

393 >>>Among what cadre?

The people who are on the fence about rape?

Did you ever read the "Ask a Rapist" thread on reddit? Invited anyone who had committed a rape in the past to hop on a burner account and post.

There were some men that showed up and posted something along the lines of "I wasn't going to do it with her but all my friends told me she wanted it because she put out a lot" and ended up raping someone who really didn't want it.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at February 25, 2013 08:24 PM (csi6Y)

394 >>>While I'm not a feminist, sometimes I do think there is some currency to the notion that the acceptability of calling a woman a slut tends to inspire young guys to be a bit "freer," and more rapey, than they would be otherwise.

Among what cadre?

The people who are on the fence about rape?


I think you can make the argument that it makes for a more callous society.

Like when you see a young woman trip on the stairs, your first reaction isn't to go help her but, at best to feel sorry for her and at worst to snark at her.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2013 08:25 PM (T0NGe)

395 There were some men that showed up and posted
something along the lines of "I wasn't going to do it with her but all
my friends told me she wanted it because she put out a lot" and ended up
raping someone who really didn't want it.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at February 25, 2013 08:24 PM (csi6Y)
So it was a courtesy rape gone wrong?

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka muhammad hussein jihadi skeet skeet soetero blame bush wright at February 25, 2013 08:25 PM (+OTLF)

396 >>>Somewhere between that and broadcasting to the world a joke that involves calling a not hypothetical little girl a c--- there must be a reasonable middle ground. Let them hold on to their innocence a little longer.

I think we're disagreeing on how this compromises her innocence, then.

As I said I'd have a different reaction to calling her a c**t to her face. Obviously that would hurt her feelings.

But I really do not think this writer intended the gag to be transmitted to her -- such would make it immediately unfunny.

(Not that it was funny as it was.)

Look, say what you want about him, I just don't want this sort of rule imposed on me, and I bet you don't want it imposed on you, either.

it's easy to say "Just don't make this specific kind of joke." That's fine, except we have 1000 different interest groups all saying "Just don't make THIS specific kind of joke."

What's left?

I don't want to live in a world that's completely safe for children at the end of the day. There should be some privileges in being an adult. I don't want to watch Barney the Dinosaur and I like foul language at roasts.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:26 PM (LCRYB)

Posted by: venus velvet at February 25, 2013 08:26 PM (g94P/)

398 Since c*** has been mentioned in this discussion a few times, does anyone here play Scrabble on an iPad? If so, you may want to play the word c*** the next time you fire up your Scrabble app. It is, according to both the Merriam-Webster and Tournament Words List dictionaries, an acceptable word to use during play. It's 6 points (without any multipliers). Twat is also acceptable. Clit and jizz and rimjob, however, are not. Anyway, I once thought using the word c*** punched a one-way ticket to hell, and I still think it's an awful word to use most of the time. But, if I need points and it's staring me in the face, I'll use it and never look back. If anyone plays Scrabble against a feminist and lays down c*** for 6 easy points, let me know how it works out.

Posted by: Joejm65 at February 25, 2013 08:27 PM (f7n8D)

399
I ate a bunch of candy with sugar alcohols in it the past 3 days and I've been farting so much it's been physically painful.

This isn't a joke. This is my life.


I hope you aren't wearing your vintage Batman Underoos.
They can't handle that kind of stress.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 08:27 PM (JtErG)

400 >>>I think you can make the argument that it makes for a more callous society.

that's where we always wind up, these words make society more callous/more course/more dangerous...

I'll tell you where I am: I don't want to have to say nothing but Pro-Social Messages approved by a committee of 300 million.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:27 PM (LCRYB)

401 If we put the kids in government run internment camps until they are eighteen and limited their access to anything other than government propoganda none of this would be an issue.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 25, 2013 08:29 PM (+OTLF)

402 The whole premise of the lame joke was that it violated a taboo, so why be surprised when people react?

That's the other thing, if you want to be Mr. Brave Comedy Man, you have to be able to take the hits.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2013 08:30 PM (T0NGe)

403 >>>I think you can make the argument that it makes for a more callous society.

Society makes for a more callous society.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 25, 2013 08:30 PM (/COnL)

404 I'll tell you where I am: I don't want to have to say nothing but Pro-Social Messages approved by a committee of 300 million.

Better than what we have now. Pro-Social messages approved by a small cabal of loud whiny Marxist activists.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2013 08:32 PM (T0NGe)

405 Ban Assault Tweets - Nobody needs 140 Characters

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 08:33 PM (E8suz)

406 It would be different if she could somehow be protected from it, but kids are addicted to social media and once something's gone viral, the genie's out of the bottle. Unless her parents shelter her considerably, I'd be surprised if this doesn't reach her soon, if it hasn't already.

I get what you mean about manufactured outrage and false sanctimony, though. I think this particular issue probably touched off a protective instinct in parents across the spectrum.

Posted by: venus velvet at February 25, 2013 08:34 PM (g94P/)

407 405
Ban Assault Tweets - Nobody needs 140 Characters

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 08:33 PM (E8suz)
If you limit the tweet magazine to only hold three letters....you dont have to worry about drive by cunting. Dont you care about the Children?

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 25, 2013 08:34 PM (+OTLF)

408 http://preview.tinyurl.com/aqgzwc9

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at February 25, 2013 08:34 PM (F3nFt)

409 Look, to be clear, it was obvious that the whole culture of calling someone a slut didn't make the rapists think "hmm, maybe rape is ok after all"

the point is that they were impressionable, inexperienced, and misled by the whole "she's a slut" thing to the point where they thought they weren't committing rape.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at February 25, 2013 08:35 PM (csi6Y)

410 Callousness to me implies that they knew what they were doing. While there were certainly degenerates posting in the thread who knew exactly what they were doing, I'm not talking about those guys.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at February 25, 2013 08:35 PM (csi6Y)

411 Prison Rape - No doesnt really mean no If the balls dont touch

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 25, 2013 08:36 PM (+OTLF)

412 Oh here's an example:

"squids" and "longbows" only become funny because you know it bothers me.

Without that element of taboo, there's no joke to saying "Flying Squids with Longbows."

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:37 PM (LCRYB)

413
I read somewhere on the internet that there was no no such thing as porn or tastelss jokes before 1970.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 08:38 PM (rqr/I)

414 Thanks a lot Ace, nothing ruins humor like analysis. Now I have to think of something else to call Palin. You make being a comedian work.

Posted by: Bill Maher at February 25, 2013 08:39 PM (skEyp)

415 Reductio ad rapem is how I get down with Señor False Equivalency.

Usted debe cumplir con Señor Dirty Sanchez.

Posted by: Señor False Equivalency at February 25, 2013 08:40 PM (Lxw+T)

416 >>>the point is that they were impressionable, inexperienced, and misled by the whole "she's a slut" thing to the point where they thought they weren't committing rape.

while I have no doubt that there are people who think that if a girl is called a "slut" she can be raped, I do not believe they were taught this by people calling girls sluts. I think they're sociopaths and they're going to find a justification for what they desire to do no matter what happens.

Remember the guy who shot John Lennon? What was his justification? Right, that Catcher in the Rye convinced him that John Lennon was impersonating him.

It would be one thing if we were living in a pro-rape culture. If the whole culture is pro-rape, then that idea gets transmitted.

But I don't think our society is "pro-rape," and some sniggling freshmen humor about a taboo word isn't enough to put a dent in the quite anti-rape nature of our society.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:40 PM (LCRYB)

417 413
I read somewhere on the internet that there was no no such thing as porn or tastelss jokes before 1970.
Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 08:38 PM (rqr/I)


Thanks, pal. Just thanks...

Posted by: Hugh Hefner at February 25, 2013 08:41 PM (f7n8D)

418 413

I read somewhere on the internet that there was no no such thing as porn or tastelss jokes before 1970.


Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 08:38 PM (rqr/I)

None of this would be happening if we had kept women in the kitchen and prevented them from buying shoes. Thats where it all went down hill.Look at any fanatical Islamic states. They don't have these problems. Over there Femenist is just another way of saying, "hey babe, after your beating would you prefer to be stoned, hanged, or beheaded?"

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 25, 2013 08:42 PM (+OTLF)

419 Wait, Ace -- "longbows" I get (I was in that thread), but since when do squids bother you? What kind of fucked up prick are you, to have a problem with squids?

Asshole.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 25, 2013 08:42 PM (/COnL)

420 Dick jokes are tasteless unless you're Sandra Fluke. So there.

Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 08:42 PM (jBGIf)

421 >>>None of this would be happening if we had kept women in the kitchen and
prevented them from buying shoes. Thats where it all went down hill.Look
at any fanatical Islamic states. They don't have these problems.


You kid, but there was a guy named "Jehu" in the earlier thread making this exact argument.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 25, 2013 08:43 PM (/COnL)

422 Intellect is tasteless if you're a liberal.

Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 08:43 PM (jBGIf)

423 To paraphrase what freedom is about: I find what you say detestably but I will fight to the death your right to say it.

Posted by: Trevor (@tjexcite) at February 25, 2013 08:44 PM (Ea64Y)

424 >>>I'll tell you where I am: I don't want to have to say nothing but Pro-Social Messages approved by a committee of 300 million.


Humor should be at its core, broadly funny. The only thing this "humor" had going for it was broad disapproval.

I've got a real simple litmus for you ace. Don't write unfunny jokes. If the joke is broadly funny you can't stop teh funny. If the joke is unfunny, then your content will get noticed. Keep your jokes broadly funny and you don't have to worry.

If you are going to be edgy you had better be damn sure you are going to be funny, or, be prepared to face some serious ridicule for being an ass.

This is the same stuff you've told us OVER and OVER again about our jokes, and crossing the line, ON THIS VERY BLOG.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 25, 2013 08:44 PM (0q2P7)

425 421 >>>None of this would be happening if we had kept women in the kitchen and
prevented them from buying shoes. Thats where it all went down hill.Look
at any fanatical Islamic states. They don't have these problems.

You kid, but there was a guy named "Jehu" in the earlier thread making this exact argument.
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 25, 2013 08:43 PM (/COnL)


Ann Coulter kinda trends that way too. In terms of voting, anyway.

Posted by: Joejm65 at February 25, 2013 08:44 PM (f7n8D)

426 I'm glad I was doing real world things earlier instead of participating in this.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 25, 2013 08:44 PM (8Gne/)

427 You kid, but there was a guy named "Jehu" in the earlier thread making this exact argument.


Posted by: Jeff B. at February 25, 2013 08:43 PM (/COnL)

Now there is a western culture name if there ever was one...did he officially drop the " Al' " from his name or is that just his nick that he goes by with his freinds.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 25, 2013 08:45 PM (+OTLF)

428 Dick jokes are tasteless

That thing happening in your mouth is covered in latex. You are lucky it is tasteless.

Posted by: Señor False Equivalency at February 25, 2013 08:46 PM (Lxw+T)

429 >>>This is the same stuff you've told us OVER and OVER again about our jokes, and crossing the line, ON THIS VERY BLOG.


You are resolute in your determination not to get it.

THIS joke was not seriously intended at the girl at all. It's a joke about the SPEAKER.

On the other hand, the FUCKING HUNDRED MICHELLE OBAMA PLANTS WATERMELONS IN HER GARDEN jokes really are about how black people love watermelons.

You just won't get that. Whatever. You win.


Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:46 PM (LCRYB)

430 >>>while I have no doubt that there are people who think that if a girl is called a "slut" she can be raped, I do not believe they were taught this by people calling girls sluts. I think they're sociopaths and they're going to find a justification for what they desire to do no matter what happens.

Remember the guy who shot John Lennon? What was his justification? Right, that Catcher in the Rye convinced him that John Lennon was impersonating him.

Right, but the guy who shot John Lennon thought he was committing murder whatever his reasons, and as it turns out he was. Because he shot someone obviously.

Sexual encounters are more complicated. There's no such thing as consensual murder but some men get consensual and nonconsensual sex mixed up because they don't know any better.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at February 25, 2013 08:47 PM (csi6Y)

431 Pretty sure the only thing Moochie has ever planted is her fat ass in a seat at a lobster buffet.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 25, 2013 08:48 PM (+OTLF)

432 wait, WTF? I knoq longbow, I was there like the greybeard Jeff B.

Squid?


It's like, I don't even know your rapey self anymore ace.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 25, 2013 08:49 PM (pUqSw)

433 >>>Sexual encounters are more complicated. There's no such thing as consensual murder but some men get consensual and nonconsensual sex mixed up because they don't know any better.

I... I just don't see it. At best I can see some slight thing going on, same with the very slight "violent videogames may encourage some violent-minded people" thing.

End of the day, I have to tell you, the idea of having to suffocate myself to worry about these attenuated hypothetical effects just strikes me as no different than "You are not allowed to joke, ever, except by quoting the Dick Van Dyke show, and everything you say must be literal so that no sociopaths can possibly be confused by your meaning."

Sounds callous, but between living like that and just accepting that something somewhere might maybe hurt someone sometime, I'll callously accept the risk of the latter.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:50 PM (LCRYB)

434 Humor should be at its core, broadly funny


I kinda disagree with this, though I may be reading it wrong. If a joke goes over the head of 75% of an audience, is it not good enough to be considered humor even though the other 25% might find it funny? I like Dennis Miller's jokes, and most of the people I know don't watch him because they don't like/get his humor. Not sure what you mean by 'broadly funny'.

Posted by: Joejm65 at February 25, 2013 08:50 PM (f7n8D)

435 >> It would be one thing if we were living in a pro-rape culture. If the whole culture is pro-rape, then that idea gets transmitted.

You said "rape" twice.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at February 25, 2013 08:51 PM (OZPoa)

436 >>>"longbows" only become funny because you know it bothers me.

Other than my serious interest in the topic* I had thought that the whole longbow thing had become just a running gag. I had no idea you bore it ill will beyond the time it happened.


*Yes believe it or not I do care about that discussion.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 25, 2013 08:51 PM (0q2P7)

437 Look I'm bowing out.

I don't want to have to argue, once again, that there is a thing called Irony, which, when clearly signaled, means that you expressly DO NOT mean the thing you are saying.

It's not just some made-up thing the liberals created to play with your heads. I swear, it exists.

And I'm not going to continue debating people who continue maintaining it's a myth.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:52 PM (LCRYB)

438 Define Broadly Funny and who exactly determines whats broadly funny? Some unelected board of faceless burrocrats in washington?

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 25, 2013 08:52 PM (+OTLF)

439 On the other hand, the FUCKING HUNDRED MICHELLE OBAMA PLANTS WATERMELONS IN HER GARDEN jokes really are about how black people love watermelons.

They wha?

Posted by: Joejm65 at February 25, 2013 08:52 PM (f7n8D)

440 You know what's funny?

Dead hooker jokes.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 25, 2013 08:52 PM (JDIKC)

441 I used to sell watermelons to the Afghan freedom fighters when I went incognito into the Amazon kush, reporting on their brave struggle against the mime ninjas.

Courage.

Posted by: Dan Rather at February 25, 2013 08:53 PM (Lxw+T)

442 >>>Sounds callous, but between living like that and just accepting that something somewhere might maybe hurt someone sometime, I'll callously accept the risk of the latter.

Well it might sound like I'm coming down against you but I'm really not. The kind of people that perpetuate "rape culture," if it even exists, are frat boys and people like them.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at February 25, 2013 08:55 PM (csi6Y)

443 Ace,

I agree with your two examples regarding RUSH and THE DOORMAN. But I think you're experiencing a disconnect here.

RUSH works and is funny because someone bitching about free birth control, especially an unmarried someone, HAS SOME RELATION TO A SLUT.

THE DOORMAN works and is funny because a lot of doorman are black and thus has some relation to the derogatory term of N*GGER.

Now those are funny/shocking/offputting attempts at crude humor and ways to make a joke or denigrate the object.


My simple point is that the use of the word "cunt" to describe a nine year old girl, WITH NO OTHER context, does not fit into the joke "theory" you have described.

At best, it would kind of work in the "Aristocrats" setup, but again, that is really not the thing to shoot out there on a tweet during the Oscars at which this young lady is attending. So I get the point, and of course it's a good one, it's just that in this instance the construct you put forward: 1) isn't applicable to Rush or the "doorman" joke; so those examples are inapposite; 2) isn't relevant to any usual norm or construct of a shocking, non sequitur joke; and 3) perhaps fits with the Aristocrats joke construct where someone just says some shocking shit, but really that is not a good idea on such a widely read forum such as twitter where actually the kid and other kids could read that kind of shit.

Just my two cents.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 25, 2013 08:55 PM (tVTLU)

444 Don't joke about this dead hooker until I get done snorting a couple of lines of blow off her ass, m'kay?

Posted by: Andy at February 25, 2013 08:55 PM (OZPoa)

445 And I'm not going to continue debating people who continue maintaining it's a myth.





Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 08:52 PM (LCRYB)

Thats how Obama got elected. That side just pretended none of the obama crap was true. If we had debated them into a corner and forced them to face it...we might not be here today...dont be a liberal pussy and give up...dont let them rape your cuntservativeness into submission.

FIGHT WITH ME!

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn I cant raise my arms up higher but i can still masterbate McCain wright at February 25, 2013 08:55 PM (+OTLF)

446 If you are into medieval history which many people here are, how can you not be interested in long bows?

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 25, 2013 08:56 PM (6J6x7)

447
>>>Sexual encounters are more complicated. There's no such
thing as consensual murder but some men get consensual and nonconsensual
sex mixed up because they don't know any better.



This. Sometimes I get confused about whether having sex with women while they're sleeping is wrong or not. I assume their silence is consent.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 25, 2013 08:56 PM (4cRnj)

448 >>>Define Broadly Funny and who exactly determines whats broadly funny? Some unelected board of faceless burrocrats in washington?

If people say F* you, instead of ha-ha after your joke, it was unfunny to them. If you tell a bad joke (and no, their should not be censoring) be prepared for a lot of F* you that's F*ked up that you deserve for telling a bad joke. Don't whine about the F U, you earned it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 25, 2013 08:56 PM (0q2P7)

449 Robin Williams is a shoo-in to play us.

Posted by: The Dead Hooker Society at February 25, 2013 08:57 PM (Lxw+T)

450 I'm a little confused how people don't understand content and context of a joke.

An insult or slur couched inside language to make it appear like a joke is still, in the end, an insult or slur.

Honestly, examining grammar and sentence structure is a lost art.

You can reveal people's disingenuity by the structure; objects and phrases. Even repeated themes.

A racist will attempt to make jokes in which the theme and object are the same. It's not funny. Except to other racists.

TO everyone else it's crass and ignorant.


Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 08:57 PM (jBGIf)

451 >>>End of the day, I have to tell you, the idea of having to suffocate
myself to worry about these attenuated hypothetical effects just strikes
me as no different than "You are not allowed to joke, ever, except by
quoting the Dick Van Dyke show, and everything you say must be literal
so that no sociopaths can possibly be confused by your meaning."


I actually think Yoshi's point shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. I think there's a cold, unpalatable nut of truth at the core of his argument that a degraded culture where "slut" jokes (actually, more importantly, the casual and open social designation of women in those terms, without any attendant gasps or shunning from polite society) DOES make rape marginally more likely.

But -- and this is why I gnomically wrote "society makes society more callous" -- this is a global, cultural trend that cannot be reversed or held in abeyance by the actions of any one person. As someone else pointed out upthread (was it EoJ?), "rape" is a taboo, moreso now than in the past (which is horrendously sad, but there you have it), and so transgression of it is a fertile source of outrage-based humor. Moreover, the idea of self-censorship in order to keep the most marginal of the human population from doing monstrous things just runs counter to the American sense of fuck-you individualism.

There's an old, hallowed saying: "you can't fight the funny." Meaning, no matter how nominally offensive or out-of-bounds a topic or an angle for a joke may be, the humor is going to transcend and HIT YOU in the solar plexus if its aim is true.

What people are trying to do here, by setting certain topics and places off-limits, and acting as censorious scolds, is fight the funny. But you can't. It's a losing cause no matter what.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 25, 2013 08:59 PM (/COnL)

452 I can forgive The Onion for a lot if only because they do occasionally publish stuff like Media Having Trouble Finding Right Angle On Obama's Double-Homicide http://is.gd/1RzYfh

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 25, 2013 09:00 PM (QupBk)

453 The problem here is not that the speaker is believed to be serious. The problem is not that the little girl is going to see it and be offended.

What if the tweet had read: "Everyone else seems afraid to say it, but that Quvenzhané Wallis is kind of a jerk, right?"

At most, it's mildly funny, seeming to poke a little fun at an entirely innocent target. A decent chunk of the humor is that she could laugh along. There is a certain proportionality, whether it's funny or tasteful to individual people. Maybe in your vocabulary, "jerk" is synonymous with the c-word. Calling a little girl the c-word invokes a different meaning. I wouldn't have even found that word appropriate if applied to Jake Lloyd. Too soon? Wocka Wocka!

How about if we call her some other name? How about if we make a joke about something terrible happening to her? Maybe a Jon Benet joke? Does that start to work for you? Is there ever a limit where a "joke" is simply somebody being crude and on that basis the joker rightly demonized?

I don't ascribe to the modern notion that everything is art because it is expressive. Nor do I ascribe to the idea that every unserious statement is something that should be defended as humor. There is no need to refer to Limbaugh or models of humor. There is a qualitative difference.

What is the humorous point in calling Quvenzhané Wallis a derogatory term? Essentially because she's 9. It's not because she wins all the time or some other more humorous hook. It's because she's a little girl. That's what makes her - for joking purposes - a "c**t." But we must defend that, lest Limbaugh be unable to mock the words of an adult. Ace, your examples and references are all specious.

Yeah, the Twit was not being serious, yeah, he intended it as a joke, yeah, he only thought the joke best applied to the little girl.

There is something skewed about a person's perception where he uses that kind of word about a little girl for being a little girl.

Posted by: Crispian at February 25, 2013 09:00 PM (+qU9V)

454 448
>>>Define Broadly Funny and who exactly determines whats
broadly funny? Some unelected board of faceless burrocrats in
washington?

If people say F* you, instead of ha-ha after your
joke, it was unfunny to them. If you tell a bad joke (and no, their
should not be censoring) be prepared for a lot of F* you that's F*ked up
that you deserve for telling a bad joke. Don't whine about the F U, you
earned it.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 25, 2013 08:56 PM (0q2P7)

So rye dry black morbid and sick humor are now out of vogue? If its not broadly funny its not acceptable humor...pretty sure fat jokes are safe then.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn I cant raise my arms up higher but i can still masterbate McCain wright at February 25, 2013 09:01 PM (+OTLF)

455 Two dead hookers walk into a bar. One says to the other- you look pale. To which the second hooker responds- "that's what happens when you're tossed in a dumpster for 8 days you guys".

Posted by: Marcus at February 25, 2013 09:01 PM (jBGIf)

456 >>>This. Sometimes I get confused about whether having sex with women while they're sleeping is wrong or not. I assume their silence is consent.

Ahem.

Well, here's a good example. Is this funny?

I will say -- judge me as you will -- I found it funny.

Do I think Dr. Spank is serious? No, of course not, if I thought he was serious I'd be outraged. But I know he's not.

Or at least I THINK he's not.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 09:04 PM (LCRYB)

457 It's true, JeffB. I barely ever killed a hobo before I started reading the HQ.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 09:04 PM (llMC3)

458 >>>What is the humorous point in calling Quvenzhané Wallis a derogatory term? Essentially because she's 9. It's not because she wins all the time or some other more humorous hook. It's because she's a little girl. That's what makes her - for joking purposes - a "c**t." But we must defend that, lest Limbaugh be unable to mock the words of an adult. Ace, your examples and references are all specious.

no that's not the joke. Scan down for an earlier post about it, where I explain the joke. I'd explain it here but I already did write about it, at length.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 09:05 PM (LCRYB)

459
Oh, it's funny.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 09:05 PM (llMC3)

460 Sometimes I get confused about whether having sex with women while they're sleeping is wrong or not. I assume their silence is consent.

Chloroform induced consent is binding in 7 states.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 25, 2013 09:06 PM (QupBk)

461 I think I'll go skim the post, now.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 09:06 PM (NV66d)

462 Do I think Dr. Spank is serious? No, of course not, if I thought he was serious I'd be outraged. But I know he's not.

Or at least I THINK he's not.


Mystery. That's funny.

Posted by: Monsieur Double Entendre at February 25, 2013 09:07 PM (Lxw+T)

463 Well time to get back to work, but i will leave you with this...

..Dead girls can't say no.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 25, 2013 09:08 PM (+OTLF)

464 I wrote the index post referencing longbows - I noted that we were pretty far down inAce's Serious Thread so I figured Ace Himself was no longer about, and I did, in fact, wonder why longbows weren't used during the Civil War as I'd visited Gettysburg the previous weekend and, at the time, WickedPinto was sharing his weapons expertise at the AoSHQ.

I mean, rate of fire, distance to target, lethality ... shit, longbows are the shit. At least until you get to repeating rifles.

The fact that ace had a paroxysm of ... something ... was just a bonus.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 25, 2013 09:08 PM (J8DGo)

465 :::456 >>>This. Sometimes I get confused about whether having sex with women while they're sleeping is wrong or not. I assume their silence is consent.

Ahem.

Well, here's a good example. Is this funny?

I will say -- judge me as you will -- I found it funny.

Do I think Dr. Spank is serious? No, of course not, if I thought he was serious I'd be outraged. But I know he's not.

Or at least I THINK he's not.

Posted by: ace at February 25, 2013 09:04 PM (LCRYB):::


It's funny 'cause it's true!!1!1!! LOL!

Posted by: The Night Cocksman at February 25, 2013 09:08 PM (JDIKC)

466 Chloroform induced consent is binding in 7 states.

There are seldom more persuasive arguments for federalism.

Posted by: Monsieur Double Entendre at February 25, 2013 09:09 PM (Lxw+T)

467 Whoa, wait a sec, isn't there an entire legal theory based on the fact that silence is consent???

hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Lighten up Francis!

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 25, 2013 09:09 PM (tVTLU)

468 But still, I think my breakdown of Ace's comments is correct. It's not that he's not correct overall, but it's the "joke construct" he mistakenly invokes.

Calling a nine year old girl a cunt, WITH NO CONTEXT, is simply an Aristocrats move. Dirty to be dirty and crazy and yes to point out that the speaker is a loon.

The "doorman" and "Rush" examples actually have context that makes sense, it's just that the terms used are shocking or really harsh.

So apples and oranges.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 25, 2013 09:11 PM (tVTLU)

469 If feminists really wanted to make a dent in rape/domestic abuse culture, they would target the inner-city schools where I daily see boys hit and choke girls as part of normal quasi-sexualized fooling around in the hallway.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 25, 2013 09:16 PM (Y5I9o)

470 And ace's silence is consent that my genius breakdown of his thoughts on the issue is correct.

suck it honkies!!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 25, 2013 09:16 PM (tVTLU)

471 Based on my knowledge of Hollywood, the only question I have about Quvenzhané is who she had to bang to get the part.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 25, 2013 09:17 PM (4cRnj)

472 the only question I have about Quvenzhané is who she had to bang to get the part.

Who didn't she?

Posted by: Monsieur Double Entendre at February 25, 2013 09:18 PM (Lxw+T)

473 >>>>wonder why longbows weren't used during the Civil War

Same reason crossbows came to prominence. Hand a guy a longbow, and in 5 years of heavy training you have a real weapon on the battlefield. Hand a guy a rifle, 3 months, almost as good.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 25, 2013 09:20 PM (0q2P7)

474 Dr. Spank is on a roll!!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 25, 2013 09:20 PM (tVTLU)

475 9 years old? Old enough baby, old enough.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at February 25, 2013 09:21 PM (VrVBw)

476 Who didn't she?

Posted by: Monsieur Double Entendre


You've crossed the line, mister.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 25, 2013 09:21 PM (4cRnj)

477 I agreed with Jeff B.

I denounce myself.

All serial aside, the culture war? Pick up the bodies from the field and plant them in their rest.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 25, 2013 09:27 PM (pUqSw)

478 You've crossed the line, mister.

Hollywood thrives on the transgressive and daring.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at February 25, 2013 09:29 PM (Lxw+T)

479 I know, ace, it's funny because the person is calling her a c**t. That person is making a fool of himself. So why not say worse things about her? Get really disgusting. It necessarily only gets funnier (to those in the know). Maybe joke about how the little girl should have won so she could have fallen, perhaps more seriously injured? Then the joker would really be making a fool of himself!

While you are probably correct about the intent of the joker, you go far in trying to frame the facts to justify his humor. You offer a joke about a possibly made-up doorman, for example. You cite the mocking of an adult who spoke to members of Congress. I don't stress the intent of the speaker but rather where the joke landed. Intent only gets you so far.

Posted by: Crispian at February 25, 2013 09:40 PM (+qU9V)

480
That's the nature of shock comedy. The public eventually becomes calloused to one level of low brow humor so, to be noticed, the bar must be lowered. Eddie Murphy's stage show reached a new low for profanity for its day. Eventually along comes a Andrew Dice Clay to say fuck so many times he barely had room to complete a sentence. Now a ton of comedians are so vulgar no one thinks about it and most of them aren't the least bit funny. In fact they have just become tedious. The term C*** is a vulgar way to refer to a woman and even worse to a child. That a major part of society will accept it is more worrisome.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at February 25, 2013 09:40 PM (JKNDp)

481 Not buying your wimpyness for a second.

Rush was not joking about Sandra Fluke being a slut. She claimed she needed hundreds of dollars per month for contraception. Math says she's the harding working woman in town. He simply reflected that they used to have a name for that. She is/was/will be a slut.

The onion is claiming they were joking. Rush NEVER claimed he was joking.

You are comparing apples and pomegranates.

Posted by: Blacksmith8 at February 25, 2013 09:42 PM (Yzu6e)

482 >>>There's an old, hallowed saying: "you can't fight the funny." Meaning, no matter how nominally offensive or out-of-bounds a topic or an angle for a joke may be, the humor is going to transcend and HIT YOU in the solar plexus if its aim is true.

Yeah, things will go the way they will go if enough people find it funny.

Side note, this reminds me of Louis CK's many, many rape jokes where he essentially does the same thing Ace is describing here (i.e., takes it to the max to make people laugh at how depraved he is pretending to be). Some of those jokes cross the line that the new media feminists have drawn in the sand, but they love him anyway.

Why? One of the more prolific columnists at Jezebel actually wrote "because he is on the side of good."

Well, okay.

When a particular interest group can't even apply their own standards just because someone has the "right" positions, there's no reasoning with them. Zero.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at February 25, 2013 09:55 PM (csi6Y)

483 I know I'm late to the party, but I just want to say I completely agree with your point, ace. I hadn't thought through why I felt like I did about the Onion kerfluffle, but you nailed it.

Tasteless joke; not really funny; obscene just to be shocking; the guy's an idiot. And if that's indicative of his (or the Onion's) body of work, might be time to start ignoring them too. Now move on.

I hate it when the left get's all outrageously outraged about something retarded (Limbaugh on Sandra the Slut, Akin being retarded, etc.), and I don't see any reason why we should too. Other than "make them live up to their own standards", but they're such giant hypocrites and "circle the wagons" cockholsters that they're not going to eat their own regardless. So F it, I say.

Posted by: OSUsux at February 25, 2013 10:01 PM (DFXmi)

484 It just came to me, ace, you need to go see the cautionary tale that is Rigoletto.

Posted by: Crispian at February 25, 2013 10:45 PM (+qU9V)

485 If the Onion had made a joke about a p year old *male* actor being a prick, would there be much of a fuss? I doubt it. The real crime is saying cunt, not the age of the 9 year old girl.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 25, 2013 11:01 PM (IN7k+)

486 p year old *male* actor = 9 year old *male* actor

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 25, 2013 11:02 PM (IN7k+)

487 This is just so GD sad. Does Ace really believe the stupid crap he wrote? And his idiot minions defend this nonsense.

Its a little girl. Screw your "comedy".

Where have all the men gone?

Posted by: Alexis in Arizona at February 25, 2013 11:07 PM (Yhu4q)

488 Anon Y. Mous, your point is stupid. It's not that the child is female. If anything, you're arguing against ace's contention, but your point is still stupid. Yes, a big part of the offense is the c-word...directed at a child. But there are any number of alternative words that would also have been offensive when used against an innocent child.

Posted by: Crispian at February 25, 2013 11:16 PM (+qU9V)

489 Humor can be funny.

Posted by: Kensington at February 25, 2013 11:19 PM (uaEZS)

490 "Someone on Twitter"? I've met you in person, Ace. We talked about an experiment where scientists selectively bred foxes to be more domesticated. You showed me a picture of your cats. We *connected*. And now I'm just "someone on Twitter". *sniffle* :-((((((

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at February 25, 2013 11:40 PM (rO7vb)

491 It's outrageous because the only way for this 9-year-old to defend herself is to become aware of what a cunt is.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 26, 2013 01:34 AM (3nB/T)

492 I was just thinking about how out of control this is when I saw that the snowplow guy {Dogg} was fired for doing his job. Yeah, he filmed it, and was talking to himself, and was obviously enjoying his work, but unless anyone can prove he did NOT do his job correctly, what's the freaking issue?

Seriously, now advertising our "inside" thoughts will get us fired? PC is insidious!

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at February 26, 2013 01:37 AM (bdged)

493 162
... Women have owned the word "bitch" and it has lost it's effect.



Posted by: tasker at February 25, 2013 07:17 PM (r2PLg)

^This^ I vividly remember the 70's where some guy couldn't get me in the backseat, or whatever, and suddenly I'M a bitch? Oh HELL no! Instead of being offended or hurt, I considered the source {idiot guy} and refused to be debased/degraded. I recall proudly announcing that I was a bitch on wheels.

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at February 26, 2013 02:00 AM (bdged)

494 180
I'm guessing Ace writes for The Onion. At least, I hope he does. Because
this is a lot of pixels to waste on something so inconsequential.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 25, 2013 07:22 PM (rpFf/)

Hmmm, purposefully obtuse or sardonic? I can't decide

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at February 26, 2013 02:07 AM (bdged)

495
The fact that Ace compares what Rush said about a grown woman, 30 years old and a Progressive activist who deliberately chose to attent a Catholic law school to promote her extreme views, with calling a nine year old girl a cunt is exactly what's wrong with the conservative blogs. First of all, this blog ATTACKED Rush during the Sandra Fluke controversy. Nobody here defended him in any way shape or form. Drew was especially despicible. But what else is new? None of you Beta Male Dickless Wonders could manage to grow a set of balls between you to defend Sarah Palin during the Tuscon tragedy.
Never compare Rush Limbaugh with the lowlife scumbags of the Left. Nothing he has ever said compares to what elected Democrats say about conservatives onthe floor of the House. Sandra Fluke had it coming. She went before a phony hearing and said she wanted other people to pay for her to have contraception so she could have sex. She is a slut and a prostitute and I wish Rush hadn't apologised. But he had no choice since he was being attacked by idiots.

That, in NO WAY, compares to calling a 9 year old girl a cunt. It's unbelieveable that anyone would think it does.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at February 26, 2013 09:06 AM (4zKCA)

496 No, you're defending it because if it's establishment, you'll tongue its ass.

Posted by: Ace's Anus at February 26, 2013 09:29 AM (ZJ/un)

497 "I really don't see her being hurt by something that is obviously not even a joke about her. "

Come on. That wouldn't work in 1st grade. Go follow the bell lady for the rest of recess.

"The idea that this girl is going to be "hurt" by this joke, which is obviously not targeting her, is just wrong.
I mean, what are the odds she'll even see it? I don't know if she's even American!"

Which is it, we should be fine because she won't be hurt by it, or she'll be okay because she'll never see it?

When you use somebody's name in a joke it's a tag on them. It's up to them how they take it. If it's a very mean joke you hope they'll snark back, like Limbaugh did when Bill Clinton said he only defended Janet Reno because she was attacked by a black guy.

In this case the joke is so bad you actually hope the kid has no clue what was said. So who's going to see to it that this didn't go on for a week?...I mean according to your joke theory, this could have been a daily feature, "Who's a Cunt", and never been about anybody named.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 26, 2013 09:42 AM (rIfOa)

498 Shorter Ace: Orwell lacked imagination.

Posted by: Ken in NH at February 26, 2013 11:54 AM (N9thc)

499 The Limbaugh incident you're looking for isn't the thing with Sandra Fluke last year, it's the "new White House dog" thing with Chelsea Clinton twenty years ago. Remember the furor that erupted after that? I do. And that was less offensive than this.

Really, should I have had to say that? Do I really need to explain why calling a child a vagina is worse than calling her a dog? Are we really at that point? Do I need to use crayons?

Posted by: Rich Fader at February 26, 2013 11:57 AM (2Zrwv)






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