DOOM: Heavenly shades of night are falling, it's twilight time

DOOOOM

There was a time when Detroit was the very epitome of America, a scale miniature of the larger country: vibrant, productive, assertive, brash, and above all, modern. It was the world capital for the manufacture of that most modern machine, the automobile. It served the best food, it produced the best music. Its industry was a beacon calling people, black and white, from far away. Detroit was a city that perfectly modeled the nation of which it was a part. That's still true. It's just that the qualities of the country it exemplifies aren't as uplifting as they used to be. So much that was right about Detroit went wrong right around 1967, and the city just kept getting sicker ever afterwards...and it was mainly due to a lousy Democrat-dominated political class that has persisted ever since. (Proof positive that where voters and politics are concerned, ideology will trump self-interest nearly every time.)

Speaking of Detroit: about half of Detroit's citizens don't pay their property taxes. This isn't purely a cases of people being deadbeats; many Detroiters aren't paying their property taxes because the city isn't providing services. And why isn't the city providing services? Because the city is broke and can't afford them. The city has also over-assessed a lot of the real-estate in the city, relying in records that are now years out of date. Detroit has projected tax receipts based on what they thought all that property was worth, and predictably, their assumptions were way, way off.

I've spoken before about what an empty, politicized term "middle class" has become. It says nothing about how people really live, how much money they make, or what their social situation is. Democrats use it in purely class-warfare terms; Republicans use it in an archaic sense that hasn't been true for forty years at least. It means nothing, but politicians cling to the term out of a kind of atavistic fright. The no longer understand the world or the forces that shape it -- theirs is a fear-response to try and claw back a world that has passed on. (Monty's view: "the good life" is a state of mind, not a bank-account balance.)

Many former students (in this case, a veterinarian) come out of school owing the equivalent of a mortgage on a house, right out of the gate. In many cases, the student's earnings do not justify the costs of higher education -- the lost time and huge debt inflict a hit to a person's earning power that in some cases takes decades to clear. In many cases, it would be better to work a lower-wage job right out of high school; the net pay over the next ten to twenty years would still be higher. People who come out of school owing a huge amount of money also pose risks to prospective mates, which can hurt their chances at forming a family or even having stable relationships. A high debt-to-income ratio isn't simply a fiscal problem -- it's an emotional and social one as well.

If I were to give young people one piece of advice that I sincerely hope they take to heart, it would be this: Don't make going to school a career.

Nick Gillespie at Reason puts some hard truth to the young 'uns: "Hey, kids: Tonight you're young, tomorrow you're unemployed."

Europe's politicians will still put on a brave face and declare that the worst has passed as far as the financial crisis goes, but privately, they know the truth: nothing is fixed. In fact, the situation is slowly but surely getting worse. It not so much death by conflagration as by slow strangulation. And in the end, much of this can be laid at the feet of the reckless, smug politicians and "experts" who started the ball rolling so long ago.

ObamaCare and the '29ers'.

Moody's to Great Britain: BAM!

You want your scary chart-fu? I got your scary chart-fu right here.

The pension fund that ate California. A long piece, but it does a great job at explaining why California is so boned...and why effective solutions are going to be so hard to find.

President Obama angrily denounces his own idea. His Majesty the King finds it inconvenient when his previous statements are used against him.

detroit cat by cjames

"Detroit Cat" by ~cjames on deviantart.

Posted by: Monty at 08:11 AM



Comments

1 Poised to be first.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 25, 2013 08:16 AM (+z4pE)

2 DOOM MUTHAF***A

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 25, 2013 08:17 AM (FsUAO)

3
Headline: Horse meat found in Ikea's Swedish meatballs




"Horse" with one of them Swedish umlaut "O"s...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 25, 2013 08:20 AM (kdS6q)

4 "Middle Class" has been a phrase that has always irritated me.

My guess is that the graph of income distribution is a bell curve with long tails. So "middle class" would be one SD on either side of the middle?

Nah.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 25, 2013 08:21 AM (GsoHv)

5 Obama will fux it. He Fuxes everything.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 25, 2013 08:22 AM (+OTLF)

6 How come there are never any of those number thingys when it comes to describing the middle class? I understand Monty's definition, and I've always been on the low end of any bracket anyways.

I know that TFG's definition of Teh Evil Rich keeps coming down, but IMO that's due to him not being able to count.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 25, 2013 08:23 AM (+z4pE)

7 pleäse enjøy the mêatballs

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 08:23 AM (8sCoq)

8 ace frehley hasn't paid his mortgage in 2yrs http://tinyurl.com/a9wabtm

Posted by: phoenixgirl spring training is here!!!!! at February 25, 2013 08:26 AM (GVxQo)

9
If I were to give young people one piece of advice that I sincerely hope they take to heart, it would be this: Don't make going to school a career.


A lot of those storiescarry a common thread of bad decisions and risk taking. My sympathy meter is low.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 25, 2013 08:26 AM (PQgoW)

10 “The big change for me is that if you brought Walter Cronkite to life in this moment he would be an abject failure as a journalist,” Williams told The Daily Caller, reflecting on the changes in the news media he has seen over his decades as a journalist in Washington.

“He would not be able to capture an audience. The people we want in our news prime-time space now are strongly opinionated people who I think, for the most part, attract audiences of like-minded people, who want to know ‘what’s our side thinking right now?’”

Posted by: Fact Checker with no bias whatsoever at February 25, 2013 08:28 AM (e8kgV)

11
Gov. Chris Christie got the seat of honor at last night’s annual governor’s dinner, sitting next to first lady Michelle Obama.

The New Jersey governor, a Republican, joined governors from across the nation at the annual Governor’s Association Meeting, and at one point, clinked glasses with the president’s wife.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 25, 2013 08:30 AM (kdS6q)

12 I denounce the thread title as racist.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at February 25, 2013 08:32 AM (m2IdD)

13 That link, "OCCare and the 29'ers" cites an example using those number thingys that's just full of fail. I think the author misplaced a couple of decimal points.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 25, 2013 08:32 AM (+z4pE)

14 Ikea has cute names for its products. Are the meatballs called Bucephalus?

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 25, 2013 08:32 AM (l3vZN)

15 The making school a career thing is only half of the problem. I have a kid about to graduate from law school and he says the debt incurred by his peers is due to purchasing other things because of the low interest rates. Some bought cars, traveled to Europe, visit Machu Picchu....you get the picture

Posted by: 'Ette in training at February 25, 2013 08:33 AM (zvxqj)

16 > The New Jersey governor, a Republican, joined governors from across the
nation at the annual Governor’s Association Meeting, and at one point,
clinked glasses with the president’s wife.

No, that was the sound of their forks striking one another as the two diners battled over an enormous lamb chop.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at February 25, 2013 08:33 AM (m2IdD)

17 >The New Jersey governor, a Republican, joined governors from across the
nation at the annual Governor’s Association Meeting, and at one point,
clinked glasses with helped Secret Service agents shovel live lobsters into the gaping open mouth of the president’s wife.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 08:33 AM (8sCoq)

18 "If I were to give young people one piece of advice that I sincerely hope they take to heart, it would be this: Don't make going to school a career."

lol that and how about....pick a major that actually consistently pays a salary that you can live on comfortable.....a facebook friend was a music major from a prestigious east coast university....she makes no money in here field but boy does it keep her busy.....she even posts things like people in the "arts" are the worlds bravest and hardest "working" people in the world and it breaks their hearts when friends and family "suggest" that they get a "real job" to pay their bills.......OMG it took every ounce of restraint to not respond critically to that one......

Posted by: phoenixgirl spring training is here!!!!! at February 25, 2013 08:34 AM (GVxQo)

19 (Reuters) - More than half of U.S. citizens believe that most or all of the country's 11 million illegal immigrants should be deported, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday that highlights the difficulties facing lawmakers trying to reform the U.S. immigration system.

The online survey shows resistance to easing immigration laws despite the biggest push for reform in Congress since 2007.

Thirty percent of those polled think that most illegal immigrants, with some exceptions, should be deported, while 23 percent believe all illegal immigrants should be deported.

Posted by: Abe Lincoln at February 25, 2013 08:36 AM (e8kgV)

20 No, that was the sound of their forks striking one another as the two diners battled over an enormous lamb chop.

Christie was later treated and released from a local hospital for numerous contusions and one minor cut from the First Lady's elbow during the melee.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 25, 2013 08:36 AM (+z4pE)

21 20
Christie was later treated and released from a local hospital for numerous contusions and one minor cut from the First Lady's elbow during the melee.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 25, 2013 08:36 AM (+z4pE)



Was that a Mooch sharp elbow reference???


*barf*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 25, 2013 08:38 AM (2o/UP)

22 Three local firefighters are facing possible disciplinary action after appearing with President Barack Obama during a press event.

Earlier this week the president was flanked by first responders as he spoke about the impact of sequestration. Kenneth Ellerbe, chief of D.C.’s Fire and Emergency Medical Service Department, told NBCWashington.com the three members of DCFEMS who participated in the event may have violated department regulations.

“I didn’t know about it, the deputy mayor didn’t know about it, the mayor didn’t know about it,” Ellerbe said. “There should be protocol followed anytime one of our employees representing the District of Columbia appears at a public event.” Ellerbe says the three have each been ordered to file a special report on the event detailing how they came to appear with the president and who authorized it.

Posted by: Abe Lincoln at February 25, 2013 08:39 AM (e8kgV)

23 Was that a Mooch sharp elbow reference???

That was more a reference to the speed rather than the pointinessism. Had they been sharper, he might not have survived.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 25, 2013 08:40 AM (+z4pE)

24 Heh....nice opening Monty Detroit *is* America and it may not be the final in the game but it is the start of the second half and the Lions are down 96-0....

"GM Dodge Chrysler bet on America"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 08:40 AM (LRFds)

25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqcn_TPu4qQ

Posted by: Bigby's Paint-covered Hands at February 25, 2013 08:40 AM (3ZtZW)

26 Monty one of the posters suggested we start offering 1000 bucks for Detroiters to leave...just leave and then buy the city.

You think an American Hong Kong could work?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 08:41 AM (LRFds)

27 Great post, Monty. Glad to see you back, even if what you post is what I remember being forced to eat oatmeal for breakfast at summer camp was like!

Posted by: RM at February 25, 2013 08:41 AM (/Frlf)

28 Conservatives dislike big government. Liberals dislike big business. Let's find common ground. When big business gets in bed with big government, the baby is ugly.

Posted by: Harold Finch at February 25, 2013 08:42 AM (e8kgV)

29 The making school a career thing is only half of the problem. I have a kid about to graduate from law school and he says the debt incurred by his peers is due to purchasing other things because of the low interest rates. Some bought cars, traveled to Europe, visit Machu Picchu....you get the picture

Very true. One of the reasons to wait on graduate school until after you've worked for several years is so you don't get caught up in the spending spree, but instead have a better understanding of what your life on the outside is going to be like.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 25, 2013 08:44 AM (PQgoW)

30 President Obama angrily denounces his own idea. His Majesty the King finds it inconvenient when his previous statements are used against him.


Life's a bitch. And it doesn't help ya when you marry one.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2013 08:44 AM (GFM2b)

31 That gawker Unemployment Stories article is pretty good in the comments. I went to the comments section of an article and didn't have a "rage at humanity" moment.


On a related note, is there a term for skimming the comments section first before reading the article? If not, there should be?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 25, 2013 08:46 AM (yCvxi)

32 Thirty percent of those polled think that most illegal immigrants, with some exceptions, should be deported, while 23 percent believe all illegal immigrants should be deported.


And .0000001% of Texans think all wetbacks should be repatriated to their country of origin via the ass end of a C130 sans chute.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2013 08:47 AM (GFM2b)

33 FUNloughs are coming !!!

Posted by: Julia Child at February 25, 2013 08:47 AM (e8kgV)

34 >>>Very true. One of the reasons to wait on graduate school until after you've worked for several years is so you don't get caught up in the spending spree, but instead have a better understanding of what your life on the outside is going to be like.

Maybe kids need a kind of parole officer to help them out. I suggest a new government program! Let's think up a name and draft a proposal then ship it out to some dumb-ass Dem politician and see if they bite...

Posted by: Bigby's Paint-covered Hands at February 25, 2013 08:47 AM (3ZtZW)

35 What is becoming clear is that the Obama Administration doesn't know how to govern.


Any of the 50 governors would know how to deal with a 3% "cut", but our
President appears that he will try to hurt us by fuNloughing those who
affect our lives, our safety the most.

Shame on you, Mr. Obama.

Posted by: Ghost of Dorner at February 25, 2013 08:48 AM (e8kgV)

36 Gov. Chris Christie got the seat of honor at last night’s annual governor’s dinner, sitting next to first lady Michelle Obama.


Why not? That NJ photo op cemented the Obama victory. I wonder if she slid the 30 pieces of silver to him, between courses?

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 25, 2013 08:50 AM (feFL6)

37 Posted by: Bigby's Paint-covered Hands at February 25, 2013 08:47 AM (3ZtZW)

Sure, why not?.....makes as much sense as "unemployment quality control".

Posted by: BignJames at February 25, 2013 08:50 AM (Sg0G/)

38 >Three local firefighters are facing possible disciplinary action after
appearing with President Barack Obama during a press event.


Do we really think 3 District of Columbia (voted 98% for Obama in Nov) employees, union members all, are going to be disciplined over serving in Teh One's retinue ?

They're perfectly safe. They're probably minor celebrities to their co-workers.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 08:50 AM (8sCoq)

39 Sooo, everyone's going to be part-time from now on thanks to OCare, eh?

This must've been what they meant by the "New Normal" U-3of around 9% when TFG was first immaculated.

Of course, the U-6 will be around 35%, so there's that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 25, 2013 08:51 AM (+z4pE)

40 Kitty looks like he's got about .5 seconds before he's hit by the blast wave.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 25, 2013 08:51 AM (yCvxi)

41 >>>Sure, why not?.....makes as much sense as "unemployment quality control".

I'm just thinking we should stop arguing with the Demsand start trolling them, legislatively speaking.

Posted by: Bigby's Paint-covered Hands at February 25, 2013 08:53 AM (3ZtZW)

42 They're perfectly safe. They're probably minor celebrities to their co-workers.
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 08:50 AM (8sCoq)

If the mayor proceeds, Obama & Co. will dock his paycheck....he'll get the message.

Posted by: BignJames at February 25, 2013 08:53 AM (Sg0G/)

43 On a related note, is there a term for skimming the comments section first before reading the article? If not, there should be?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 25, 2013 08:46 AM (yCvxi)


I think the term is Moron.
EVER, EVER read Ace's movie reviews? Neither have we. Comments are great, though.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 25, 2013 08:53 AM (Qxe/p)

44 DRUDGE REPORT ‏@DRUDGE_REPORT

DOJ memo urges gun registration, 'massive' buy-back program 'coupled with ban'... http://drudge.tw/13I9LC5

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 25, 2013 08:53 AM (8sCoq)

45 Why not? That NJ photo op cemented the Obama victory. I wonder if she slid the 30 pieces of silver to him, between courses?
Posted by: Regular Moron at February 25, 2013 08:50 AM (feFL6)

The fight against Voter ID cemented Ovomit victory

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 25, 2013 08:55 AM (XvrTA)

46 Morning all.

2 asshole congress critters want to end the Selective Service Registration ( Draft) to save a measly 24 million?:

Two lawmakers are waging a little-noticed campaign to abolish the Selective Service System, the independent federal agency that manages draft registration.
They say the millions of dollars the agency spends each year preparing for the possibility of a military draft is a waste of money.
Reps. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., and Rep. Mike Coffman, R-Colo., say the Pentagon has no interest in returning to conscription due to the success of the all-volunteer force.
The Selective Service has a budget of $24 million and a full-time staff of 130. It maintains a database of about 17 million potential male draftees. In the event of a draft, the agency would mobilize as many as 11,000 volunteers to serve on local draft boards that would decide if exemptions or deferments to military service were warranted.

Since we are trillions in debt this seems a tad penny wise and dollar foolish.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2013 08:55 AM (9Bj8R)

47 "People who come out of school owing a huge amount of money also pose
risks to prospective mates, which can hurt their chances at forming a
family or even having stable relationships."

This has absolutely been my case. My parents footed the bill for much of my college education, sacrificing enormously so I could have what they did not. They also wanted to send me out into the world financially stable. I got a good job with benefits and was responsible with my credit cards.

Then I got married.

My husband's parents really didn't help him at all, and he made the mistake of choosing an enormously expensive college which required specialized training. When we got married he was in a government career field which promised a high-paying job to enable him to pay off the loans, but he failed out of it. Before that happened we'd bought a house under the mistaken impression that it was better to do that than flush rent down the toilet, an assumption we now bitterly regret.

My credit rating is now completely shot, as well as one of his family members who co-signed the loan thinking we'd sell the house at a later date and would get some of the profits. My parents' gift of financial stability is now flushed.

It's a lie to say the financial situation hasn't negatively affected our relationship, as well as that of the family member's.

If you absolutely have to go to college, kids, go to the nice community one down the street.

Posted by: Filly at February 25, 2013 08:56 AM (CY14+)

48 On a related note, is there a term for skimming the comments section first before reading the article? If not, there should be?

If it's written by the typical 'journalist', I think of skimming the comment section first as 'finding out the real story'.

The Germans might have a word for that.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 25, 2013 08:56 AM (NF2Bf)

49 WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 08:57 AM (qyv02)

50 I've thought for a long time that we need a Constitutional amendment that caps taxes at 50%.

This would mean that you get to keep 50% no matter. The federal, state and local governments would have to fight between themselves for the other 50%.

I used to think the 50% tax figure was too large, but even without looking forward, it may already be to small to feed the government beast.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 25, 2013 08:57 AM (e8kgV)

51 Sure, just leave me jerking off on the previous thread.

Posted by: Truman, schmuman at February 25, 2013 08:58 AM (WgEZw)

52 There are many really good state colleges you can go to for undergrad.

If you do grad school, you're a sucker if you are paying for it at all.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 25, 2013 08:58 AM (FsUAO)

53 the Germans have a word for everything these days

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 25, 2013 08:58 AM (XvrTA)

54 WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 08:57 AM (qyv02)


OK that's the good news, what's the bad news?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2013 08:59 AM (9Bj8R)

55 Regarding comment skimming...check which way the wind is blowing from the leftards...if they are frothing at the mouth rage hate...the article hits the mark.

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 25, 2013 08:59 AM (FIDMq)

56 51 Truman,

truman I answered you and rebutted Lincoln TF.

I'll be around later but I have paperwork to do, and I do seriously want to continue my downward trend on posting.

I plan on making an analysis I conferred with Mero on regarding fraud and the death of the republic whether it is tilting the balance or not.

You keep on keeping on.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 09:00 AM (LRFds)

57 "Massive buy back" ? Offers we can't refuse?

Posted by: lincolntf at February 25, 2013 09:00 AM (ZshNr)

58
I wonder if she slid the 30 pieces of silver to him, between courses?
Posted by: Regular Moron




Nope. But Christie did get a tuggy under the tablecloth....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 25, 2013 09:01 AM (kdS6q)

59 So, to necro up what I was saying to sven


180 You're still thinking too short-term, Sven.

The EPA can do that because 1) they are funded by republicans in the house and 2) nobody who controls their funding would ever think of taking it away.

And why?

Because nobody we have the chance to vote for will go to Washington and do it.

And why is that?

Because those who control the state party from that candidate's state won't support such a candidate.

And why is that?

Because they are interested in making as few ripples as possible.

And why is that?

Because if they did make ripples, and they supported a loser, their leadership would be questioned. And they do not want their leadership questioned.

And why is that?

Because it is more lucrative (and more fun) for these people to just run their little country club than it is to affect necessary changes.

Posted by: Truman, schmuman at February 25, 2013 09:01 AM (WgEZw)

60 Sure, just leave me jerking off on the previous thread.

I was still there....watching. You're doing it all wrong.

Posted by: Couch Fucker at February 25, 2013 09:01 AM (NF2Bf)

61 Hey I got good news this AM. I have both a Bar Mitzvah and a Wedding to go this Saturday and my Suit still fits so all I have to do now is get a Tux for the wedding. Last I looked it was almost cheaper to buy one than to rent one.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2013 09:01 AM (9Bj8R)

62 It's good to know that when I got out of HS and after the Svc. I couldn't figure out what to do so I just took what came and muddled through.

I always felt I had failed somehow by not at least trying to go to college. (well actually I was accepted at Purdue for an EE but was unable to start due to money being lacking.)

Now it turns out, I WAS A F'NG GENIUS!!!. So were my parents by not getting involved in signing for a student loan. (they were in their infancy then and were done through banks only and parents had to cosign)

I would've had a degree and more responsibility but my earnings would've been about the same.

Who'd a thunk it?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 09:02 AM (qyv02)

63 Last I looked it was almost cheaper to buy one than to rent one.

I think it's a great idea.

Posted by: The Hungry Moth In Your Closet at February 25, 2013 09:03 AM (feFL6)

64 Last I looked it was almost cheaper to buy one than to rent one.

I think it's a great idea.
Posted by: The Hungry Moth In Your Closet at February 25, 2013 09:03 AM (feFL6)

Yeah I hear ya. I'd wear my Dress Mess Navy Uniform but my wife would kill me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2013 09:04 AM (9Bj8R)

65 And as someone who teaches college, allow me to assure you that there are people who really, really don't belong there.

Posted by: Filly at February 25, 2013 09:05 AM (CY14+)

66 EVER, EVER read Ace's movie reviews? Neither have we. Comments are great, though.

---

Heh.

Posted by: Dinosaur Media Interpreters at February 25, 2013 09:05 AM (ATdet)

67
Last I looked it was almost cheaper to buy one than to rent one.

You're gonna love the way you look.

Posted by: George Zimmer at February 25, 2013 09:06 AM (7MI/G)

68 65 Filly,

Filly at some point you see me posting give me a hollerif you have time to do a back and forth if it is not trouble.

I have a theory that the entire point of the feds massive "debt explosion for students" is just throwing cash at your field and I will not make it personal at you promise.

Anyway thanks for the insight.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 09:06 AM (LRFds)

69 After hearing about how much trouble we're in for the last 4 years, someone want to explain to me why it's taking so long for the ill effects (other than unemployment and rise in food prices and gas prices but those are going up due to other factors) to show up?

I've been waiting for the grand mal seizure we've been getting sold by all the doom sayers (Monty I'm looking at you) but so far NA DA.

Where's the beef? When does the fat lady sing? When's that last nail in the coffin getting driven in?

I want to see this Mocha Latte Moron in the WH get the blame and he's not going to get it if we keep sputtering along.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 09:07 AM (qyv02)

70
I would've had a degree and more responsibility but my earnings would've been about the same.

Who'd a thunk it?


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 09:02 AM (qyv02)

We're not done with you yet.

Posted by: Government at February 25, 2013 09:07 AM (AWmfW)

71 And as someone who teaches college, allow me to assure you that there are people who really, really don't belong there.
Posted by: Filly at February 25, 2013 09:05 AM (CY14+)

Most people do NOT need for years of College to do what ever it is they are eventually going to do. I mean 4 years of sex, drugs, and Rock/Roll is great, I did it, but shit you can do that for a lot less really.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2013 09:07 AM (9Bj8R)

72 If you absolutely have to go to college, kids, go to the nice community one down the street.

Do the guidance counselors in HS and kollidge not have employment figures for the graduates to compare and to help them pick a major? And do the parents not help their little snowflakes pick a career with growth potential?

Or was CDR Ripley right after all?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 25, 2013 09:07 AM (+z4pE)

73 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 09:02 AM (qyv02)


You didn't get the GI Bill? I've decided to finally use mine before the gubmint runs out of fake money.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 25, 2013 09:08 AM (yCvxi)

74 This is TOTAL RAcism, this poster knows Detroit has been Black Run for fifty years. Next you will compare this town to Zimbabwae!!! Can you not find a different city to Target with this Racism ..What about Chicago, Philadelphia, Memphis, Baltimore, Atlanta ? This continual thread of Racism is annoying and only attracts the "Haters of Diversity".. You start with Motown and the next step is equating the dismal condition of the whole country to Black Administrations and Misshandling of Public trust!!!!

Posted by: Clemenza at February 25, 2013 09:08 AM (x59Gv)

75 President Obama angrily denounces his own idea. His Majesty the King finds it inconvenient when his previous statements are used against him.








And he does this because he know the MFM will happily shill for him and enough cretins will buy whatever he's selling. He could say it's the Republicans who wanted to tax the rich and there will be lack wits who would believe it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 25, 2013 09:08 AM (1Jaio)

76 I've thought for a long time that we need a Constitutional amendment that caps taxes at 50%.


8%. God only asks for 10%. And if Washington, D.C. thinks that they are better or more important than God, then this country deserves to burn.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2013 09:08 AM (GFM2b)

77 nevergive up

you should wear your dress blues......swoon

Posted by: phoenixgirl spring training is here!!!!! at February 25, 2013 09:08 AM (GVxQo)

78 The University System needs to be culled. Heavily.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 09:08 AM (7MI/G)

79 you should wear your dress blues......swoon
Posted by: phoenixgirl spring training is here!!!!! at February 25, 2013 09:08 AM (GVxQo)


Would certainly save me a few bucks!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2013 09:09 AM (9Bj8R)

80 Hey, CBD, I missed your Charleston thread. I told you that place was great, didn't I? I made a lot of notes while reading, since there were plenty of places Mrs P and I never got to.

Glad you liked Magnolia. Did you ever get to Toast?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 25, 2013 09:10 AM (zF6Iw)

81 Most people do NOT need for years of College to do what ever it is they are eventually going to do. I mean 4 years of sex, drugs, and Rock/Roll is great, I did it, but shit you can do that for a lot less really.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2013 09:07 AM (9Bj8R)

Companies use(wrongly or rightly) a college degree as a proxy for quality. People basically have to go to get an ok job. It's not even close to enough to simply get a GED anymore.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 25, 2013 09:10 AM (FsUAO)

82 "someone want to explain to me why it's taking so long for the ill effects (other than unemployment and rise in food prices and gas prices but those are going up due to other factors) to show up?"

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Adam Smith: "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation."

Posted by: Monty at February 25, 2013 09:10 AM (G8OwX)

83
>>I have a theory that the entire point of the feds massive "debt explosion for students" is just throwing cash at your field

Universities are the mechanism by which red states are turned to purple states.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 09:11 AM (7MI/G)

84 8%. God only asks for 10%. And if Washington, D.C. thinks that they are better or more important than God, then this country deserves to burn.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2013 09:08 AM (GFM2b)

Ben Carson for senate.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 25, 2013 09:11 AM (FsUAO)

85 Posted by: Clemenza at February 25, 2013 09:08 AM (x59Gv)

Thin ice, Clemeza. Very, very thin ice.

Posted by: Monty at February 25, 2013 09:11 AM (G8OwX)

86 Ben Carson for senate.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 25, 2013 09:11 AM (FsUAO)

Ben Carson for preznit.

Posted by: BignJames at February 25, 2013 09:12 AM (Sg0G/)

87 69 bitter clinger,

They have shown up. You need to look at U6 as well as UE3, then the value of the dollar indexed to Occtard's "bull(shit) market." Long story short we're getting by on inertia, and the fall once inertia dies out will be steep.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 09:13 AM (LRFds)

88
Last I looked it was almost cheaper to buy one than to rent one.

You're gonna love the way you look.
Posted by: George Zimmer




Speaking of which, don't forget Men's Wearhouse publicly backed Occupy Wall Street. Spend your formal rental dollars wisely.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 25, 2013 09:13 AM (kdS6q)

89 "someone want to explain to me why it's taking so long for the ill effects (other than unemployment and rise in food prices and gas prices but those are going up due to other factors) to show up?"

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Adam Smith: "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation."



Rome didn't fall in 4 years.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2013 09:13 AM (GFM2b)

90 Can't we send Ben Carson a draft notice?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 25, 2013 09:13 AM (yCvxi)

91 Companies use(wrongly or rightly) a college degree as a proxy for quality. People basically have to go to get an ok job. It's not even close to enough to simply get a GED anymore.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 25, 2013 09:10 AM (FsUAO)

No, I know that Companies ask for 4 years of College but we both know that is bullshit and it should change or I have a good idea, if Companies want that, let them pay off the College Loans after they hire someone.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2013 09:14 AM (9Bj8R)

92 Thanks for the Doom, Monty.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 09:14 AM (7MI/G)

93 You didn't get the GI Bill? I've decided to finally use mine before the gubmint runs out of fake money.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 25, 2013 09:08 AM (yCvxi)

When I got out, I was dazed and confused and couldn't decide what to do. Plus after 6 years, I was totally put off by anything to do with Government (remember this was back in the day before the all volunteer stuff happened. Verry different attitudes and professionalism was scarce at certain levels.)

Plus the GI bill works only if you can support yourself or your family can take you in as they only cover tuition and certain other costs. Housing and living expenses are on you. (at least that was the way it was then I believe).

Then after living civvy for a few years and also living near/in a large college town, I became acquainted with what an extreme mess Academe had turned into and I wanted no part of that either. By then, I was also doing "okay" and didn't feel the need.

Like I said it worked better than I thought. All those years of feeling deprived and turns out I came out on top. (or at least not down in the sludge.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 09:14 AM (qyv02)

94 That is a clear example of pure probama (pro-Obama propaganda) bullshit in that yahoo news article about the NRA.

Posted by: The Larch at February 25, 2013 09:15 AM (TDsQt)

95 Speaking of which, don't forget Men's Wearhouse publicly backed Occupy Wall Street. Spend your formal rental dollars wisely.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 25, 2013 09:13 AM (kdS6q)

OK, Thanks for the heads up.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2013 09:15 AM (9Bj8R)

96 Nick Gillespie at Reason puts some hard truth to the young 'uns: Hey, kids" Tonight you're young, tomorrow you're unemployed.







And a few months ago you voted for Obozo and other leftist Democrats. See if you can connect the dots

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 25, 2013 09:15 AM (1Jaio)

97
>>Speaking of which, don't forget Men's Wearhouse publicly backed Occupy Wall Street. Spend your formal rental dollars wisely.

I was going to go for Sy Syms, but most of the country wouldn't recognize the name.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 09:16 AM (7MI/G)

98 I read that as "There's a great deal on Ruination (IPA)" and I was all, like, 'where'?

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 25, 2013 09:16 AM (XvrTA)

99 I was going to go for Sy Syms, but most of the country wouldn't recognize the name.
Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 09:16 AM (7MI/G)

Didn't Syms go out of business?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2013 09:17 AM (9Bj8R)

100 That is a clear example of pure probama (pro-Obama propaganda) bullshit in that yahoo news article about the NRA.


Posted by: The Larch at February 25, 2013 09:15 AM (TDsQt)




There's is pure Obama loving propaganda in everything Yahoo does. Yahoo is totally in the tank for Barry and it is circling the drain.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 25, 2013 09:18 AM (1Jaio)

101 How backward is it that a store that caters to professional suit wearers supported the filty anti-corporate Occupy movement. People are so fucked.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 25, 2013 09:19 AM (ZshNr)

102 Plus the GI bill works only if you can support yourself or your family can take you in as they only cover tuition and certain other costs. Housing and living expenses are on you. (at least that was the way it was then I believe).

I managed to get an Associate's Degree (Electronic Engineering) doing exactly that. Totally drained the GI bill -- worked nights to pay rent and food.
Worked out fine.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 25, 2013 09:20 AM (Qxe/p)

103 All of us down at the Brattleboro Womens Reproductive Health and Pregnancy Decision Center were all pleasently surprised to to Michelle Obama at the Oscars last night. She looked lovely and everybody loved her. It is amazing she can take time out of her busy schedule to come do events like this to help cheer the people up even though we have tough times because of Bush. We know America loves our furst lady and she looked stunning last night. Presdent Obama should be proud of his lovely wife and the good she did last night to help the unemployed and homeless forget about the problems caused by Bush. Yeah for Presdent Obama :-)

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at February 25, 2013 09:20 AM (HlUFk)

104 101 lincolntf,

hey if it bought them peace right?

My not going to Men's Wearhouse doesn't matter.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 09:20 AM (LRFds)

105
>>Didn't Syms go out of business?

I don't know, but being from the East, he's the 'original' George Zimmer to me.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 09:20 AM (7MI/G)

106 Companies use(wrongly or rightly) a college degree
as a proxy for quality.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 25, 2013 09:10 AM (FsUAO)

Actually, companies started to do this because HS have failed to provide basic levels of education to our kids. They now require a College degree in hopes that that will mean that applicants can read, write and do math. (not an assumption to make lately)

This is when it got harder for guys like me to get jobs because even though I have the equivalent experience to get a Bachelors, without the piece of paper it's all fairy tales to the Human Svcs. bunch.

And also Human Services in most companies these days are women and have NO clue what the qualifications for some jobs really are.

And even joe blow mom and pop companies have Human Services people these days.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 09:20 AM (qyv02)

107 100 TQM,

yup which gets back to the triangle I described no longer being profit based off of having to serve the whole....

they think they can ignore ~48% and do peachy...

I don't have an answer.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 09:21 AM (LRFds)

108 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 09:20 AM (qyv02)

Yep. I'm just giving reasons why people still go for college degrees even though they don't necessarily give you much and cost an arm and a leg.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 25, 2013 09:21 AM (FsUAO)

109 All SYMS and Filene’s Basement stores were closed at the end of December, 2011

Posted by: The Hungry Moth In Your Closet at February 25, 2013 09:22 AM (feFL6)

110 Companies use(wrongly or rightly) a college degree as a proxy for quality.

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Companies are no longer allowed to perform IQ or aptitude tests on prospective employees, so they have adopted a college degree as a rough proxy for this. That's why even clerical, secretarial, and filing jobs require college degrees now. They don't "require" it, but employers want to make sure the new hire can at least read and write and follow directions. (Unfortunately, that's not a given even with a college degree these days.)

Posted by: Monty at February 25, 2013 09:22 AM (G8OwX)

111 If I were to give young people one piece of advice that I sincerely hope they take to heart, it would be this: Don't make going to school a career.


My advice is don't go to college at all. Go to CC or a trade school as in welding etc.

Posted by: Vic at February 25, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)

112 65 And as someone who teaches college, allow me to assure you that there are people who really, really don't belong there.

As a college professor for 12 years - AMEN to that! Some of these 'students' need to use food pictures on the McDonald's register to take my order (no joke!)

Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at February 25, 2013 09:22 AM (YLZSZ)

113 No, I know that Companies ask for 4 years of College but we both know that is bullshit and it should change or I have a good idea, if Companies want that, let them pay off the College Loans after they hire someone.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2013 09:14 AM (9Bj8R)

So you say no.... to the Way It Is?

You mean you don't like the idea, not that you disagree that's how it is.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 25, 2013 09:22 AM (FsUAO)

114
>>And also Human Services in most companies these days are women and have NO clue what the qualifications for some jobs really are.

Those HR chicks are easy.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 09:22 AM (7MI/G)

115 If I were to give young people one piece of advice that I sincerely hope they take to heart, it would be this: Don't make going to school a career.

Posted by: Vic at February 25, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)

116 Hey, CBD, I missed your Charleston thread. I told
you that place was great, didn't I? I made a lot of notes while reading,
since there were plenty of places Mrs P and I never got to.



Glad you liked Magnolia. Did you ever get to Toast?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 25, 2013 09:10 AM (zF6Iw)


DBD had a Charleston thread?????

And I missed it. Where was it?

Posted by: Vic at February 25, 2013 09:23 AM (53z96)

117 I was going to go for Sy Syms, but most of the country wouldn't recognize the name.


I do. They had stores in Dallas at one time.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2013 09:23 AM (GFM2b)

118
How backward is it that a store that caters to professional suit wearers supported the filty anti-corporate Occupy movement.

Posted by: lincolntf




Zimmer is a big Obama and DNC supporter, so it all cut from the same cloth.

BTW -- I hear Men's Wearhouse rental tuxs sometimes have spiders in the pockets because because they don't clean them properly.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 25, 2013 09:24 AM (kdS6q)

119 And also Human Services in most companies these days are women and have NO clue what the qualifications for some jobs really are.

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It's not a gender thing. HR people in big comapnies get job descriptions from the department heads that often have little to do with the actual job being filled. And they are bound by regulations (both governmental and corporate) that govern who and how and why they can interview for a given position.

Yeah, there's a lot of stupid crap in the HR field. All I'm saying is: it ain't all (or even mostly) the doing of the HR folks.*

*Says a guy who's written quite a lot of HR-related software over the years.

Posted by: Monty at February 25, 2013 09:24 AM (G8OwX)

120
Posted by: Vic at February 25, 2013 09:22 AM (53z96)

Good advice. Or, at the very least, do this first.
Also, if you make me king, I will defund the University System and reinstate the Guilds.

Posted by: garrett at February 25, 2013 09:25 AM (7MI/G)

121 yup which gets back to the triangle I described no longer being profit based off of having to serve the whole....

they think they can ignore ~48% and do peachy...

I don't have an answer.


Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 09:21 AM (LRFds)



That new dingbat CEO at Yahoo thinks that new look front page (horrific) to make it more like Facebook is going to change its fortunes. And all the Titanic needed was a new coat of paint after it hit the iceberg to fix everything

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 25, 2013 09:25 AM (1Jaio)

122 And FYI: Men's WEARHOUSE? Play on words.
Wearhouse = Full Retail.
$98.00 for a pair of non-decript grey wool slacks.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2013 09:25 AM (GFM2b)

123 Didn't Syms go out of business?

Yes.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 25, 2013 09:25 AM (zF6Iw)

124 That Yahoo article appeared in it's entirety in my local paper yesterday, same exact headline even.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 25, 2013 09:27 AM (ZshNr)

125 Zimmer is a big Obama and DNC supporter


And a huge Kali stoner.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 25, 2013 09:27 AM (GFM2b)

126 DBD had a Charleston thread?????And I missed it. Where was it?

A couple of threads down; it was a Friday afternoon one, I think.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 25, 2013 09:27 AM (zF6Iw)

127 Anyone seen any national media coveage of the Resistance Day rallies?

Posted by: BignJames at February 25, 2013 09:28 AM (Sg0G/)

128 127 BigNJames,

er "no" why it's almost like there really is "one" news organization

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 09:29 AM (LRFds)

129 Nevergiveup, I don't know where you are, but Ben Silver in Charleston has great clothes; you could get a tux there to last you the rest of your life.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 25, 2013 09:30 AM (zF6Iw)

130 MPPP, if you're still around, how about a story about Shelly Winters some day? I'm sure there are some real pips.


Posted by: Lady in Black at February 25, 2013 09:32 AM (ATdet)

131 Recovery Summer IV: Brace for Impact

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 25, 2013 09:33 AM (QupBk)

132 OK I found it. Missed it because got drunk outside in the sun.


That thread needs to be bumped to mid morning when it is dead here.


CDB if you are here did you make it to Tommy Condon's?


Food not so good but everything else is outstanding.

Posted by: Vic at February 25, 2013 09:33 AM (53z96)

133 Ah, yes, Tommy's Condoms -hoisted many a pint there

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 25, 2013 09:34 AM (XvrTA)

134 128 127 BigNJames,

er "no" why it's almost like there really is "one" news organization
Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 09:29 AM (LRFds)

I think Juan Williams may have discovered that recently.

Posted by: BignJames at February 25, 2013 09:35 AM (Sg0G/)

135 Eh, sermonizin' to the choir I guess

Posted by: Truman, schmuman at February 25, 2013 09:35 AM (WgEZw)

136 #72 No, guidance counselors do not have figures on majors, employment rates, and the like. They have info on how to sign up for SAT and ACT, how to do your high school schedule so that you fulfill requirements to get into college, how and when to apply to college, and how to apply for financial aid. (Indiana has a Big Day devoted to helping parents and students fill out the FISA forms at about 50 sites all over the state.)

Besides, students are fed information from the colleges on how they have placement assistance for jobs, how many of their graduates are successful, how much ore money they will make with a degree from their university, etc.

Department heads NEVER say, "A major in my discipline will probably not get you a job." They need majors so that the head count gets them more funding. They LIE to students all of the time.

Parents have been told "A college degree means you will earn XXX thousand more than a high school graduate. (They neglect to say that leaving out law, dental, medical, and Harvrd MBA grads the figures would not show that much difference.) Most parents are uninformed.

PLUS, once a kid gets to college, he can switch his major from chemical engineering to theater and the parents have NO CONTROL or even knowledge that he did so, since grades are NOT sent to the parents but to the student.

AND, students can borrow vast sums without parental permission, far above tuition and books. Why do you think there are those expensive high-rise apartments now being built near campuses? Why are all of these kids going to Acapulco for spring break?

Student loans are a scandal which we should be exploiting. It is a deliberate conspiracy between government and universities to transfer wealth to the university administrators and professors while sellling the students into a lifetime of indentured servitude.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 25, 2013 09:36 AM (GoIUi)

137 I disagree with this statement in the post:

<i>(Proof positive that where voters and politics are concerned, ideology will trump self-interest nearly every time.)</i>

I think conservatives confuse economics and "self interest" when they think about politics. From the people living in Detroit's point of view, each voter that votes for dems is voting for their individual self-interest. For instance, the poor inner-city black votes dem b/c the dems promise them stuff (gov't services, entitlement spending, etc.). The gov't workers in Detroit vote for dems b/c they know the dems will be unlikely to scale back the gov't workers, the budgets, the bennies. And the higher-up people continue to vote dem b/c they continue to be able to make money off their connections.

So, each is voting for their self-interest in the immediate sense. In the marketplace, this would work for the betterment of all long-term, as everyone purchasing / selling based on immediate self-interest requires the market to continue to improve goods and lower costs and be more efficient.

But, when we are discussing gov't, this does not work. Immediate self interest is 100% at odds with long-term health and quality of governance. But getting people to put aside what they believe to be their immediate self-interest for the greater good, which will likely be better for everyone sometime in the future, is difficult at best, impossible at worse.

I've come to believe it is impossible. Every western democracy is undergoing the same problem, which is the populace wants more and more entitlements from the gov't without understanding that the nation will go bankrupt because of it. And, you will never be able to convince enough people (even ostensible "conservatives") that we must reduce the size, scope and power of gov't, to enable the nation as a whole to be more productive and attain greater wealth. Each individual voter will cling to their perceived immediate self-interest, which can be a myriad of things, such as increased entitlement spending, keeping ethanol subsidies, spending more on education, keeping SS as it is, keeping medicaid as it is, "cheaper" healthcare through gov't control, etc.

I've seen time and again people who are ostensibly conservative at sites like this one bend over backward to argue in favor of whatever their own favorite gov't program is, demonstrating that we can never overcome the desire for "free stuff" (used in the broadest sense possible) from gov't.

An example, whenever issues of K-12 teachers having tenure come up (or even discussions of teacher's unions), there will almost always be someone who comments reliably conservatively on most other issues who will argue that tenure is necessary for teachers and that the unions are necessary to protect teachers for reason x, y or z.

At the end of the day, we cannot view the way people vote the same way we view actions in the marketplace. Individual self-interest in voting is actually a bad thing in voting as opposed to in the marketplace b/c in voting, it does not lead to a more efficient, better gov't the way it does in economic theory for the marketplace. Because gov't is not a business making a product and competing with other businesses making similar products.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at February 25, 2013 09:37 AM (sOx93)

138 MPPP, if you're still around, how about a story about Shelly Winters some day? I'm sure there are some real pips.

Oh, I've got one or two. I'll tell them either on Thursday or Friday; tomorrow's On the Waterfront and Wednesday's Raquel Welch and Myra Breckenridge.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 25, 2013 09:37 AM (zF6Iw)

139 On a related note, is there a term for skimming the comments section first before reading the article? If not, there should be?

Breitbarting.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 25, 2013 09:38 AM (QupBk)

140 Raquel Welch is 'sposed to be a world class bitch

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 25, 2013 09:38 AM (XvrTA)

141 You guys think you can duck me like you did my cousin, Fiscal Cliff? No way, busters, your time is up!

Posted by: C. Quester at February 25, 2013 09:43 AM (ZshNr)

142 Well, I have finished making an Angel Food Cake for wifey's bridge club.

Time for more drinking.

Posted by: Vic at February 25, 2013 09:49 AM (53z96)

143 Raquel Welch is 'sposed to be a world class bitch.

Indeed. On the set of The Wild Party, one of the first (if not the first; I don’t remember) Merchant-Ivory films, she was nervous and insecure and catty; she’d had the disaster of Myra Breckenridge behind her and was sure her co-star James Coco thought she was nothing but a walking set of boobehs.

After one take, Ivory said that he thought it could be a little better and would Welch mind doing another take? She walked off the set and refused to return unless Ivory apologized to her in front of the entire cast. Merchant told him not to do it, since it would be a terrific loss of face, but Ivory said he had to or the movie wouldn’t get finished.

So the next day he shows up, and there’s Welch, all wrapped up in purple. She lifted her head, looked down her nose and sneered, “Well, Mr. Ivory, I believe you have something to say to me?”

I’d have called her a bitch, but Ivory apologized. He never worked with her again, though. And I forget who said it, but someone once called Welch “silicone from the knees up.”

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 25, 2013 09:52 AM (zF6Iw)

144 3
Headline: Horse meat found in Ikea's Swedish meatballs

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My sister once bit a horse.

Mind you, bites of horse can be pretty nasty...

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda, the wonder dancing llama at February 25, 2013 10:04 AM (1c58W)

145 No, I know that Companies ask for 4 years of College but we both know that is bullshit and it should change or I have a good idea, if Companies want that, let them pay off the College Loans after they hire someone.

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If you get your degree in the right field, they'll pay for that and more.

My cousin is an engineer of some type and he's had employers pay off his entire undergrad tuition, send him to grad school, pay him a ton of money to live overseas for a few years, pay all his relocation expenses from New Orleans to Houston, etc.

Granted, he's in a tough field and he's been willing to play employers off each other to get what he wants, but he made a shit-ton of money doing it and has gotten an even better deal each time he changed employers.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 25, 2013 10:12 AM (e0xKF)

146 Monty at February 25, 2013 09:24 AM (G8OwX)

I hear what you're saying and that's true also but in my experience in the industrial trades, most of the women in Human Svcs have no clue what's required for these jobs having never had one or even seen what it entails. Yes they get a list of requirements but since when is that a guide to who you want working for you.

Just as in school, the female teacher don't like the boys all that much because they're so much rowdier and a pita. Too many Human service ladies have an attitude a yard wide and a mile long for someone who works with their hands. I also think there's a bit of gender bias, age bias there also but it's difficult to prove.

All I know is that whenever I've been able to speak to the person who's going to be the supervisor, I can get the job. Course that's years ago and nowadays it's all just like you describe. They've got a list and if you're qualifications don't match then you don't even get an interview with the person who's actually the hirer.

It's why we've got such brain dead people doing jobs beyond their ability. I'll bet they fit the description though and looked good on paper.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 25, 2013 10:31 AM (qyv02)

147 One little Detroit anecdote. If you work in the city, you have to pay city taxes. If you are due a refund on city taxes, you will not automatically get one. After you taxes are filed, you must CALL the finance department, then resubmit your paperwork to them; then you'll get your refund.

Wonder how much they make off of suburbanites who forget that they're due a Detroit refund?

Posted by: shibumi at February 25, 2013 10:32 AM (z63Tr)

148 Hey!

This post was chock full of actual content.

Thanks Monty.

Posted by: scottst at February 25, 2013 11:00 AM (fb1Nu)

149 There was a time when Detroit was the very epitome of America.

There sure was. 2008-2016.

Posted by: My future self at February 25, 2013 11:02 AM (q3O7V)

150 Is economic doom our global warming? Europe and California are still dragging along, though the doom thing has been predicted for 4 years.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at February 25, 2013 11:09 AM (QBDoj)

151 Despite my innate psychopathology and misanthropy, I'm an HR manager for a manufacturing facility...and I think I'm pretty macho too.

Hiring decisions are not the province of the HR department--I perform recruiting, screening, background checks, interviews, and testing on potential candidates. The hiring authority (i.e., maintenance manager) will make the ultimate call based on the information I provide, and will nix it if the candidate doesn't interview well. I spend a lot of time compiling business intelligence on comparable firms and linking it to the job market. Modern HR is more attuned to the financial aspect of contracting labor, while also having to deal with the daily dose of SCOAMFery.

It's a big challenge for us to recruit technicians (Associate's in electronics, mechanical eng technology, etc) and they are most definitely in high demand where I am. A HS diploma will at best get you a forklift driver job. Newly recruited operators need at least an Associate's, and some have Bachelor's. The era of the apprenticeship/journeyman is over--companies will not commit to long-term training relationships when employment-at-will is the prevailing model.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 25, 2013 11:19 AM (Ec6wH)

152 150 JLDH,

I suggest you look at EUtopia's U6 and Cali's coming implosion...

if I ever decide to go 'sampson option" and want to start the end cycle for the United States it will involve weaponizing the donks' pet "La raza"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 25, 2013 11:22 AM (LRFds)

153 @150

Not until the Horde wins a Nobel Peace Prize, and Monty sues Andrew Sullivan and Newsweek.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at February 25, 2013 11:23 AM (q3O7V)

154
If economic doom is coming, I wish it would hurry up before we are all California.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at February 25, 2013 11:24 AM (QBDoj)

155
"middle-class" = "bourgeoisie"

bour·geoi·sie

1. middle-class people: affluent middle-class people characterized as conventional, conservative, or materialistic in outlook

2. exploitative middle class: the social class that, according to Marxist theory, owns the means of producing wealth and is regarded as exploiting the working class

Sure, the Reds want to help the exploitative (as they see it) middle class. All of their propaganda extols the virtues of the bourgeoisie.

Things start coming into focus now, right?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 25, 2013 11:44 AM (IDSI7)

156 uh ok

Posted by: Gman at February 26, 2013 08:47 PM (jo0fs)






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