Charleston SC – A Very Opinionated Rant about Why It’s Better Than New York City [CharlieBrown’sD????]

The Horde just loves its shots at New York City, and most of them are damned close to the mark. Bloomberg is a hectoring ass whose elitism oozes uncontrollably from his every orifice whenever he speaks. Traffic, crime (not nearly as bad as most of you think), pomposity (worse than you think…if that’s possible), etc., are all legitimate targets.

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But the food in New York is great, especially if you are willing to pay the freight, which can be painful indeed (dinner for two at Per Se can easily hit $800). But there are dozens of very good restaurants that are a pleasure, although you will have to sift through a larger number of boring, cookie-cutter joints that masquerade as wonderful, unique culinary destinations.

Unfortunately, that great food comes with a dish that most of you wouldn’t order – a big plate of New York superiority and condescension.

“Our local produce is the best! Our farm-to-table system is better than yours! We, and only we, have a perfect confluence of environmentally friendly and cutting edge cuisine.”

The subtext of course is that you hicks in the hinterlands (defined as: West of the Hudson, East of Williamsburg and North of 125th St. And nothing exists South of Manhattan) don’t have any idea what real food is. You eat out of cans and bags and the freezer, and only New Yorkers are sufficiently attuned to Gaia to be able to appreciate her gifts.

And they would be wrong. I just spent several days in Charleston and its environs, and take it from this food snob; NYC has nothing…NOTHING on that fair city when comparing restaurants. In fact, I give Charleston the nod, because they actually take farm-to-table seriously, not just as a gimmick to pull people into their restaurants, but as a legitimate expression of its pride in Southern Cuisine and their beautiful city and state.

However, don’t get the idea that food in Charleston is just simple country concoctions made with excellent ingredients. This cuisine is as sophisticated as anything you can get in New York or Paris or London or Chicago.

I could list every restaurant we ate in, and rave about at least one dish in each of them. Hell, the She-Crab soup at a nondescript bar on East Bay St. was fantastic. I won’t bore you with a long list, but two of them stand out. Slightly North of Broad served an oyster stew that was stunning – perfection. Anson has a pork belly appetizer that will be my last meal if I am ever offered one (see the photo above).

One more thing that pushes Charleston past NYC; these folks like to drink, and they like to drink good stuff. Every cocktail and every local beer was at least good, and that kicks the crap out of most places in Manhattan.

I won't even try to compare the service. It would be an insult to the fine and knowledgeable waiters in Charleston to be compared to that pierced, tattooed, lazy, smelly and affected group of asses who pretend to be waiters in NYC.

Oh, and just in case the food isn’t a good enough reason to visit….Charleston itself is beautiful. Gorgeous homes, amazingly clean (much cleaner than any Northern city I have visited), and respectful of its history. We even waddled over to the Fort Sumter museum, which is a nice little place, and worth a visit (Take a careful look at the photos in the museum and you will see a young Vic commanding one of the guns shelling the fort).

And while walking around we saw this sticker on a utility box. If this doesn't endear you to Charleston, nothing will.

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[addendum] From the comments. This describes Charleston a lot better than I just did:

"One of the most beautiful cities I have visited. The historic homes are the best in the nation. The ambiance of the neighborhoods leave a permanent memory of color,light, wind and enchantment. That rainbow row of historic homes lining the shoreline is something you must not miss seeing. The food.. oh the food is immortal. Delicious and creative don't begin give it justice. "

-- i'd rather be surfin

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Comments

1 Not much snow in Charleston. Big plus for me

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 24, 2013 03:28 PM (/gHaE)

2 That's my town. And it's not only the fancy/expensive places, either. There are burger joints, chicken places, and local pubs galore that rival anyplace you can name. Add to that beautiful beaches, and it's no wonder we have tourists gumming up the traffic all the time! Glad you enjoyed it.

Posted by: Coach Sal at February 24, 2013 04:04 PM (B5kUD)

3 New Yorkers are chumps. What else is new

Posted by: separate at February 24, 2013 05:01 PM (yrKiI)

4 The prodigal post returns!

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at February 24, 2013 05:02 PM (jIaZt)

5 There's a lot that is nice in NYC, but you have to wade through a ton of shit and spend a whole lot of money, time and energy to get to it. You can live far better in a small midwestern/southern town, certainly. but don't tell them that.

Posted by: separate at February 24, 2013 05:03 PM (yrKiI)

6 I'll be in SC in two weeks to see my stepson graduate basic training. He said he got promoted to PFC recently. I thought that happened after they graduate? Anyhow, the wife is ecstatic about it.

Posted by: EC at February 24, 2013 05:03 PM (doBIb)

7 Posted by: Coach Sal at February 24, 2013 04:04 PM (B5kUD)

The bars are great! Little ones, big ones, with food, without food.

Oh, is there a city ordinance that requires waitresses to be extremely cute?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 05:04 PM (GsoHv)

8 I thought the best part about moving South would be the weather, but it's the food.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 24, 2013 05:05 PM (ZshNr)

9 "Take a careful look at the photos"

What photos, where?

Posted by: m at February 24, 2013 05:05 PM (6GCSh)

10 Posted by: EC at February 24, 2013 05:03 PM (doBIb)

Congratulations for both!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 05:05 PM (GsoHv)

11 My town as well. It seems to have been discovered the last number of years, but we love to share, so traffic isn't a huge deal. It is quite the sparkling low-slung architectural jewel by the sea. And we are justifiably proud.

After all, there is the vast undifferentiated mass of the South. And then there is Charleston.

(Also glad you enjoyed it.)

Posted by: Ed at February 24, 2013 05:06 PM (aUjDu)

12 Isn't Williamsburg East of the Hudson?

Posted by: Fox2! at February 24, 2013 05:06 PM (+N4be)

13 If he was made a squad leader and did well, he could've gotten an early bump to PFC. They do that a few tomes every cycle.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 24, 2013 05:06 PM (ZshNr)

14 Posted by: m at February 24, 2013 05:05 PM (6GCSh)

At the Fort Sumter Museum.

I wasn't clear...I'll fix it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 05:07 PM (GsoHv)

15 What no Pics of the Cute Waitresses ?

Posted by: American Dawg at February 24, 2013 05:07 PM (trA4n)

16 Never been to Charleston, but it doesn't take any effort to persuade me that NYC is an over-rated pit.

Posted by: Y-not at February 24, 2013 05:07 PM (5H6zj)

17 Liberals are condescending and self-righteous? Whodathunk?

Posted by: JohnJ at February 24, 2013 05:08 PM (Tt6ky)

18 South Carolina the best Carolina.

Doesn't have a blue Triangle mucking it up.

Posted by: JDTAY at February 24, 2013 05:09 PM (a0nis)

19 13,

Maybe he did? I don't know. He's not very wordy in his letters back to us. I like to think he hasn't fucked up to any degree and the DI sees some promise of potential.

Posted by: EC at February 24, 2013 05:09 PM (doBIb)

20 Posted by: Fox2! at February 24, 2013 05:06 PM (+N4be)

Yes...I am an idiot.

Fixed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 05:09 PM (GsoHv)

21 >There's a lot that is nice in NYC, but you have to wade through a ton of
shit and spend a whole lot of money, time and energy to get to it.


and that's what kills the 'nice' for me

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 24, 2013 05:10 PM (8sCoq)

22 Let me concur on Charleston. I spent 90 days on a work assignment (with expense account). The food is spectacular, reasonably priced and the people are about as nice as you can imagine.

Actually, you can't imagine it. You gotta check it out.
and the history. . .

I've making plans to retire there.

Posted by: Billypaintbrush at February 24, 2013 05:11 PM (Wy/ve)

23 Over the years the most common argument for the superiority of NYC is the "you can get Chinese food at 3 a.m." one. That didn't work on me when I was young and stayed up late; it certainly doesn't work on me now that my bedtime is 9 p.m.

Posted by: Y-not at February 24, 2013 05:11 PM (5H6zj)

24 The good news is NYC restaurants no longer have a rat problem. The bad news is that's because the giant roaches killed them all.

Posted by: Real Joe at February 24, 2013 05:12 PM (PD2ad)

25 > "you can get Chinese food at 3 a.m."


BFD. Hipster douchebags duly impressed, though

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 24, 2013 05:12 PM (8sCoq)

26 I vote for the Crispy Flounder at Ansons

Posted by: tmitsss at February 24, 2013 05:13 PM (Kt+pj)

27 *frantically prepares lawsuit*

Posted by: Ibrahim Hooper at February 24, 2013 05:13 PM (feFL6)

28 NYC food is not all that great.

Dont believe the hype. When you actually live in NYC and dine out every night, you quickly realize its a lot more miss than hit.

But then if you enjoy having a bunch of pompous asslickers tell you what tastes great, by all means...


Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 24, 2013 05:13 PM (+OTLF)

29 Maybe when my stepson graduates, one of the cobloggers could post some pics of him? I would appreciate it if they could. Make a moron proud!

Posted by: EC at February 24, 2013 05:13 PM (doBIb)

30 Shrimp and grits at Poogans Porch was awesome.

Posted by: EC at February 24, 2013 05:14 PM (doBIb)

31 Posted by: Y-not at February 24, 2013 05:11 PM (5H6zj)

New York is a great city. it has museums that rival the best in the world, it has interesting architecture, a vibrant theater scene, a huge number of historical sites, and the food can indeed be wonderful.

It just isn't the only city in the world, and it has its flaws.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 05:14 PM (GsoHv)

32 I've actually never eaten in Charleston. We are going to SC for a week this summer, some island that is not Kiawah Island is all I can remember of the name. My family bait and switched me.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 24, 2013 05:14 PM (ZshNr)

33 #1 reason why Charleston, SC is better than New York: Not nearly as many New Yorkers.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at February 24, 2013 05:15 PM (U+vgB)

34 I'm so jealous . . . with very few exceptions, LA is a complete wasteland when it comes to awesome food, I don't give a shit what anybody tells you.

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 05:15 PM (MRw0g)

35 Posted by: EC at February 24, 2013 05:14 PM (doBIb)

Magnolias was damned fine too. And the waitress was adorable.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 05:16 PM (GsoHv)

36 Way early ot (sorry dildo): Protip: don't drive past a open air church to do a pickup blasting a song titled 'sisters of darkness'
Uggggh. FML

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 24, 2013 05:17 PM (rRol4)

37 Thanks a pants load for leaking the word. Now this beautiful city will be overrun with pompous NY'ers and other foul yankees. They will spew forth their insulting humor and condecending BS and ruin the place for weeks until the novelty wears off. Next time you find a gem, keep it on the down-low.

Posted by: nuclearjim at February 24, 2013 05:17 PM (Hp9C6)

38 Take a careful look at the photos in the museum and you will see a relatively young Vic commanding bitching about his prostate while the rest of the crew fires one of the guns shelling the fort


FIFY

Posted by: fluffy at February 24, 2013 05:18 PM (z9HTb)

39 Back on track, that is a serious piece of the other white meat right there
At my house it would be gone faster than a doughnut in front of meggie mac

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 24, 2013 05:19 PM (rRol4)

40 Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 05:15 PM (MRw0g)

Cheap ethnic food is pretty good in L.A., but yeah, it's not Charleston.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 05:19 PM (GsoHv)

41

New Yorkers are cute eccentrics and nice to have around when they move to civilized parts of the country. They are only dangerous when many of them are in close proximity, like, in New York.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 24, 2013 05:19 PM (1Y+hH)

42 New York is a great city. it has museums that rival the best in the
world, it has interesting architecture, a vibrant theater scene, a huge
number of historical sites, and the food can indeed be wonderful.

It just isn't the only city in the world, and it has its flaws.

This is true. If I were absolutely filthy rich, I'd definitely keep a pied-a-terre in NYC. In many ways, there is no place like it.

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 05:20 PM (MRw0g)

43 Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 24, 2013 05:19 PM (rRol4)

The best piece of pork belly I have ever eaten.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 05:20 PM (GsoHv)

44 Here's how I've always addressed NYC elitism: "You're absolutely right, it is the best place one earth. In fact, I think you should stay there and not risk disappointment by coming to my state. Buh bye now."

Posted by: Lizzy at February 24, 2013 05:21 PM (mQLel)

45 That picture? Not enough eggs and black-eye peas.l

Posted by: Al at February 24, 2013 05:21 PM (V70Uh)

46 That would be the "child's plate" right?

Posted by: Al at February 24, 2013 05:22 PM (V70Uh)

47 I ate at a series of 5 star restaurants in London, and besides the $200 entree price tag and ungodly wine prices, it was nothing special. I've had better (on occasion) locally, though I've had a lot worse, too. I had far superior in Waikiki for only $100 a plate, including booze.

Posted by: kurtilator at February 24, 2013 05:22 PM (juh4Z)

48 You know, I seriously think my wife would trade me for that plate
And the kid for another egg

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 24, 2013 05:23 PM (rRol4)

49 >>>Not nearly as many New Yorkers.

But they're gettin' there as fast as they can. My mom lives there,

Lowcountry is her/my family's ancestral home, and by ancestral, I mean late 17th century. She's old as hell.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2013 05:23 PM (4Mv1T)

50 It's an appetizer, Al . . . don't taze me, I actually read the post. WTH is wrong with me????

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 05:23 PM (MRw0g)

51 New York is a great city. it has museums that rival the best in the world, it has interesting architecture, a vibrant theater scene, a huge number of historical sites, and the food can indeed be wonderful.

It just isn't the only city in the world, and it has its flaws.

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Museums? I'll take D.C.

Architecture? I'll take Chicago.

History? I'll take Boston.

Theater? Not my thing.

As a devout foodie with a limited pocketbook, I've found there are only so many restaurants I'm going to hit on any given year. As long as there is a core of good, unique restaurants, I'm fine.

I always laugh at the folks who comment on Salt Lake City's restaurants. People who clearly just don't like SLC (which is fine, it's not everyone's cup of tea) but who feel compelled to slam the entire restaurant scene here, usually dissing it in comparison to NYC or SF. It is to laugh.

As I've gotten older the important things are livability & accessibility, which are usually determined by things like cost of living, transportation, and the quality of the people. I don't want every day to be a struggle.

Posted by: Y-not at February 24, 2013 05:23 PM (5H6zj)

52 NYC is great for all the museums, (real) diversity of food and culture, commerce, etc. But it insists upon itself, to coin a stolen phrase. Bang for your buck, DC has better museums.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 24, 2013 05:24 PM (ZshNr)

53 Oh, is there a city ordinance that requires waitresses to be extremely cute?

Nah, that's just the fact that you're now dealing with southern girls. They're adorable, often well mannered, and can outshoot you any day of the week. If they're raised right.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2013 05:24 PM (PQgoW)

54 Got a 1 liter aging barrel from Tuthilltown-

filled it with corn squeezin's.


Now waiting on the 1st single barrel vintage of

Old naturalfake Tennessee Whiskey.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 24, 2013 05:24 PM (G9qZk)

55 Yeah, NYC is great. Not. It's yesterday, and yesterdays gone. I was just watching a show on China on HGTV, and I'm too tired to look up the spelling of the city, but they put up a NEW FUCKING SKYSCRAPER every FIVE DAYS.

And I'd bet my bottom dollar that the typical LIV thinks that Bill Clinton and Nancy Pelosi brought democracy to China when that sneaky chinaman stood in front of a tank in Tiananmen Square. Yeah, right. They're commie to the core.

We got sold down the river people, and no one gives a F, or cares to pin the blame where it belongs.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 24, 2013 05:25 PM (feFL6)

56 Other than the occasional to-die-for burrito, the best thing I can say about LA restaurants is that they all have valet parking.

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 05:25 PM (MRw0g)

57 I hate NYC but love living in the burbs. Can venture in for a sporting event, concert, or hit up a good recommended restaurant. And then I can get the hell on out of that shit hole city.

I never got the allure of actually living there. If I would happen to sleep a night at a friend's apartment I'd always wake in the morning with a film of grime covering me, and the showers all suck so I'd never actually get clean until I got home. Thankfully, only one friend still lives in that hellhole, the other friends who had to live there after college eventually wised up and got out.

Filthy city and a rude, pompous populace to go along with it, but otherwise pretty fun in small doses.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 24, 2013 05:26 PM (6BnTn)

58 34 I'm so jealous . . . with very few exceptions, LA is a complete wasteland when it comes to awesome food...

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I know! We did not eat particularly well when we lived there. The exception would be the sushi restaurants, which tended to be better on avg than other places.

Posted by: Y-not at February 24, 2013 05:26 PM (5H6zj)

59 Later I will use said barrel to age cocktails like the Manhattan and Negroni-

apparently that's a big dealio in NY bars these days.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 24, 2013 05:26 PM (G9qZk)

60 If you enjoyed Charleston, try Savannah, it's much the same, only without the heaping big plate of Charleston superiority and condescension.

We in the South find New York attitude quaint if not charming, getting the same in a gussied up low country swamp town is not so quaint.

Posted by: ThomasD at February 24, 2013 05:28 PM (FA+FN)

61 Filthy city and a rude, pompous populace to go along with it, but otherwise pretty fun in small doses.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 24, 2013 05:26 PM (6BnTn)

Harsh...but fair.

I'm in the 'burbs as well, and I like my distance from NYC just fine.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 05:28 PM (GsoHv)

62 One of the most beautiful cities I have visited. The historic homes are the best in the nation. The ambiance of the neighborhoods leave a permanent memory of color,light, wind and enchantment. That rainbow row of historic homes lining the shoreline is something you must not miss seeing. The food.. oh the food is immortal. Delicious and creative don't begin give it justice.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 05:28 PM (g5wi5)

63 Posted by: ThomasD at February 24, 2013 05:28 PM (FA+FN)

Ouch!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 05:30 PM (GsoHv)

64 Well the dealership service department is going to get an even more unique phone call on Monday.

Nice sunny day. Go out to do some yard work. Decide to check the Shelby's lights on a whim. Just to verify the fog light is still not working. Crank up the car and listen to the rumble from the exhaust for a second.

Then I turn the lights on - headlights and fog lights. Walk to front of car. All the lights are working including both fog lights. Toggle the hi-beams, fog lights go out. Toggle stalk again to turn off hi-beams, fog lights come back on.

So on Monday when I call them, I will thank them for fixing the problem even when they had told me they had not fixed it. That should get someone's attention.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 05:30 PM (J8Sr0)

65 >>As a devout foodie with a limited pocketbook, I've found there are only so many restaurants I'm going to hit on any given year.

That makes sense.

With kids, including a very picky eater, I'm just happy that we can now get good burgers and good burritos. That was not the case even a year or two ago.

I can, however, get crawfish eggrolls and crawfish sushi rolls!

Posted by: Mama AJ in NW Louisiana at February 24, 2013 05:30 PM (SUKHu)

66 NY is a very cool city, but the people are a bunch of dummies. Boston, on the other hand, is an overrated piece of sh*t and the people suck.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 24, 2013 05:30 PM (YZqSb)

67 CBD- Another fine addition to the blogosphere here at the HQ.

My compliments, sir.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2013 05:31 PM (4Mv1T)

68 If you like that artsy, upper-crusty stuff, there's Spoleto in June. Music and theater to rival NYC. Last place I saw Stan Getz.

There is also Patriot's Point, with big pretty boats you could go down under the ocean in or land an airplane on. Just like Nyeew Yoke Seety, 'cept better.

There are historic bed-n-breakfasts near the historic old city that are no more expensive than a mid-level hotel. I'm not a cityman, but I enjoyed the place.

Posted by: comatus at February 24, 2013 05:31 PM (qaVK+)

69 Last time I was in NYC had to be well over 10 years ago to give a deposition for one of Microsoft's various lawsuits. MS put me up in a nice place and paid the tab.

The MS lawyers were nice guys when you're testifying FOR them ;->

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 24, 2013 05:31 PM (/gHaE)

70 Oh, and they like bow-ties there, too. Just sayin'. Goes well with a seersucker suit.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2013 05:32 PM (4Mv1T)

71 I am very fond of Savannah - also has some great food and bars. I hope to get to Charleston soon.

Posted by: susanita at February 24, 2013 05:32 PM (AiGLv)

72 Shem Creek, over on Shem Creek.

Posted by: blaster at February 24, 2013 05:32 PM (/1U3u)

73 I'm in TX now, but Charleston was my home for many years. Every word in this article is true. We had friends visit from all over the US and the world, and they were amazed at the food. I *really* miss the food in Charleston.

Aside re: the restaurant Slightly North Of Broad. To old Charlestonians, the only place that matters is south of Broad street. That's where the primo addresses and old money are. If you weren't south of Broad, you weren't the upper crust.

The chef who opened S. N. O. B. made a deliberate play on words, to tweak the noses of the snobby old moneyed set. Charlestonians, having a sense of humor, adored not only his stellar food but his cheeky irreverence as well, and the restaurant was a smashing success.

Posted by: WMCB at February 24, 2013 05:33 PM (jjsXL)

74 >>>Shem Creek, over on Shem Creek.

And shrimp and grits at Boulevard Diner, a block or so down, in Mt P.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2013 05:33 PM (4Mv1T)

75 Posted by: WMCB at February 24, 2013 05:33 PM (jjsXL)

Oh, that is so cute!!! I totally missed the S.N.O.B. thing, love it!

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 05:34 PM (MRw0g)

76 I love Souplantation. It's not haute cuisine. But fuck it. It's cheap and good. You'all can blog all you want about New York or Charleston to your heart's content. But we are fucked. Anybody willing to work hard to put a quality product on the market is fucked. The productive class is only worth a good milking..

If you are productive, prepare to go on strike.

Stupid fuckers, you that don't understand. We are at war. The socialists want to steal your wealth and then kill you.


Posted by: Al at February 24, 2013 05:34 PM (V70Uh)

77 I had my wake-up call when my wife and I went to a wedding in NYC and stayed at a friends place for the weekend. It was in Park Slope, two successful young professionals living in a nice looking building. Maybe 4 stories, but the thing had been chopped into like twenty apartments. Crappy old fixtures, dingy stairwell, etc. I spent the weekend concentrating on not mentioning how shitty their life was, even as they walked from the shower through their living room to their "bed loft".

Posted by: lincolntf at February 24, 2013 05:35 PM (ZshNr)

78 All of my friends, who have been stationed at Shaw, have nothing but good things to say about Charleston. The food, in particular, gets very high marks. Judging by that picture of the pork belly, I'd say they are correct.

Posted by: no good deed at February 24, 2013 05:35 PM (mjR67)

79 My neice went to grad school at Columbia, and through an unusal set of circumstances began writing for the NYtimes while still in grad school. I had tutored her through her college European History course and the results made a difference in her academic career. We were close and she treated me with great respect. Before moving to NYC she was a beautiful, loving,open-minded, sweet-tempered, kind, loyal.. ok you get the idea. Within two years, the city transformed her into an angry, pompous, judgement, disrespectful, ratty-looking.. ok I think I've made that point too. What does that city do to people to cause such changes?

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 05:36 PM (g5wi5)

80 I had to travel to NY every week for two months while on a project for a company in Times Square. I was living in beautiful Evergreen CO at the time. My review of NY: The people that live there deserve the hell on earth they created. Let's be thankful they choose to stay.

Posted by: Prepositions Fists And A Point at February 24, 2013 05:37 PM (z+Xap)

81 I just can't seem to catch my editing problems until after I post here, sigh.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 05:37 PM (g5wi5)

82 SC used to be my territory when I traveled for a living back in the early 80's. My customers in Charleston expected me to buy rounds of drinks at lunch (which lasted till 3PM in some cases). Back to the office to answer their calls till five. Then back out drinking. That was one drinking town, or was when I traveled there.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2013 05:38 PM (4Mv1T)

83 New York, like Los Angeles, is a pit.

Posted by: Al at February 24, 2013 05:38 PM (V70Uh)

84 NYC: Columbia
Charleston : The Citadel

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2013 05:38 PM (R4WsQ)

85 Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 05:28 PM (g5wi5)

Stolen and posted as an addendum.

A nice turn of a phrase!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 05:38 PM (GsoHv)

86 NYC is full of people paying $3000 a month to live in apartments the size of my bathroom and paying the highest taxes in the universe, but who think it's worth it because "Where else can you get sushi at 3:00 in the morning?"

They also think they're smarter than everybody else.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 24, 2013 05:38 PM (azHfB)

87 "If I were absolutely filthy rich, I'd definitely keep a pied-a-terre in NYC. In many ways, there is no place like it."

In many ways, there is no place like it, THANK GOD.

I don't even book connecting flights through New York any longer. Just leave those arrogant fuckwits to their own devices. Any bunch who figure Miguel Bloombito is mayoral material are no people I want anything to do with.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2013 05:39 PM (gqT4g)

88 I had my wake-up call when my wife and I went to a wedding in NYC and stayed at a friends place for the weekend.

You know what else China and NYC have in common, except NYC is heading into the pits? In all of China and parts of NYC you don't own the land your home resides upon. You pay rent. On land. You rent land. You pay a mortgage and rent the land it sits upon.

*Yawn*. I know.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 24, 2013 05:40 PM (feFL6)

89 I'm really enjoying these occasional offerings about NYC from a suburbanite. They have a distinct "virgin talking about sex" quality to them.

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at February 24, 2013 05:40 PM (E55AK)

90 If I was filthy rich. New York City would be the last place I would have a little apartment. Tokyo, Berlin, or Rome I would without a doubt have such.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 05:42 PM (J8Sr0)

91 :::You pay a mortgage and rent the land it sits upon.


After you finish paying the mortgage, you still have to pay property taxes.

Posted by: EC at February 24, 2013 05:42 PM (doBIb)

92 Spend quite a lot of time in Charleston in the last few years, and everything in the above article is correct.

One time I was stuck in traffic. . .was waiting behind a car, behind another car, behind a third car.

The driver of the first car was apparently totally oblivious, staring off into space. He had the right of way to drive, but just didn't. And guess what happened?

NOTHING.

The three cars behind (including me) did NOTHING. No horn honking, no fuming, NOTHING. We just waited the 15 seconds for the front driver to snap out of his trance and go. Then we all left.

If were were in Manhattan, it would have been horn melee after five seconds waiting, and possible physical violence after 20.


Posted by: looking closely at February 24, 2013 05:42 PM (+PDlV)

93 I vote for the Crispy Flounder at Ansons

Exactly what I was going to say. The best seafood I've ever had, bar none.

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2013 05:42 PM (6TB1Z)

94 Great post CBD. I just put Charleston on my list of places to go see real soon. I'm guessing that March is nice and Springy?

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 24, 2013 05:43 PM (SCTXH)

95 How to split up the Southern Confederation? Ask which area has the best cuisine/seafood.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 05:43 PM (J8Sr0)

96 Jimi Ray and catpiss hardest hit

Posted by: buzzion at February 24, 2013 05:44 PM (GULKT)

97 LA is a complete wasteland when it comes to awesome food

Aw come on, Johhny's Pastrami!!!!!!! And the Apple Pan!!!!!! I saw Roy Disney in there one time, waiting for a seat like everyone else. He was cool, saw me recognize him. Gave me a smile, I smiled back then pretended like he wasn't there.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 24, 2013 05:45 PM (41Skk)

98 83 New York, like Los Angeles, is a pit.
Posted by: Al at February 24, 2013 05:38 PM (V70Uh)


I'll take movies about cities that begin with "Escape from" for 400 Alex.

Posted by: Prepositions Fists And A Point at February 24, 2013 05:45 PM (pUAXu)

99 "Where else can you get sushi at 3:00 in the morning?"

Do not underestimate the importance of 3 am sushi.

No, I don't like sushi. It's what fishermen pull out of their nets and throw back. Why do you ask?

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2013 05:46 PM (6TB1Z)

100 Charleston's a beautiful city and one of my favorite places to visit ...

... as much as it pains this native Georgian to say it.

Posted by: Andy at February 24, 2013 05:46 PM (OZPoa)

101 When can we start bagging on the Oscar fashion choices of our financial betters? That's today, right?

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 05:46 PM (MRw0g)

102 93
I vote for the Crispy Flounder at Ansons

Exactly what I was going to say. The best seafood I've ever had, bar none.


And no, they wouldn't give me the recipe.

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2013 05:47 PM (6TB1Z)

103 I also love to vist NYC. It's hella fun, for a lot of reasons. It has energy. I'm one of those weird people who loves just wandering around riding the subways and walking aimlessly. But I was not overly impressed with the food, unless you are out looking for specific ethnic food rarely found elsewhere. I'll give it that. NYC would actually be even more fun if it took itself with a grain of salt, instead of being so smugly self-referential about everything under the sun.

Posted by: WMCB at February 24, 2013 05:48 PM (jjsXL)

104
You know,
Sometimes I wish I had the pocketbook and patience to try out new restaurants on a regular basis.
We aren't exactly known for high fallooten food round these parts, but pubs tend to produce some pretty good food, and our Italian is pretty good (provided your a fan of copious amounts of cream sauces.)
But frankly I don't have the patience (or budget) to randomly run out and try a place, so I end up sticking to a few favorites to ensure a lack of disappointment.

Posted by: tsrblke at February 24, 2013 05:48 PM (GaqMa)

105 CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 05:38 PM (GsoHv)

Thank you CharlieBrown Very kind of you sir.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 05:48 PM (g5wi5)

106 OT - Girl Scout cookies were just delivered to my house. Holy crap. The wife bought 10 boxes. I don't know whether to love her or hate her.

Either way, I'm eatin some cookies and ain't nothin in NYC or Charleston that can hold a candle to Thin Mints.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 24, 2013 05:49 PM (2ycOl)

107 Bag away, Peaches! Speakin' of bags, the swag bags for this year include close to $50,000 worth of merchandise. It's taxable, of course, but I'm sure it's covered by the $1.5 billion worth of tax breaks that Hollywood receives.

Posted by: no good deed at February 24, 2013 05:49 PM (mjR67)

108 After you finish paying the mortgage, you still have to pay property taxes.

That's a given, wherever. In NYC, in some places, you not only have to continue paying property taxes, you have to pay yearly rental on the land. Because the owner doesn't want to sell it, only rent it, to idiots. People who want to hoist their nose in the air and act superior while the stench of cat piss over every inch of them causes all around them to gag.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 24, 2013 05:49 PM (feFL6)

109 Aw come on, Johhny's Pastrami!!!!!!!

Sorry, bebe, that place is really close to me and the only reason I can remember the last time I ate there (years) is because of the disappointment factor. It's very meh, unless you've never had NY/NE Jewish deli pastrami. I guess then it's okay, they do a hell of a business, despite the fact that they are kind of overpriced.

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 05:49 PM (MRw0g)

110 Posted by: Muad'dib at February 24, 2013 05:43 PM (SCTXH)

That's what they say. It starts getting a bit warm in May and June, and July and August are tough. Then it cools down again and October into November is nice.

Why do I know this? Because we are already planning our next trip to Charleston.

Although.... I have said too much.

Charleston is an awful place. This was all tongue-in-cheek.

Don't go.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 05:50 PM (GsoHv)

111 Yes, Charleston was a hard drinking place, shaved several points of my GPa with style.

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2013 05:50 PM (Io7hX)

112 Awesome BCochran. What was one thing I bought at the gun show yesterday? One box of Thin Mints.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 05:51 PM (J8Sr0)

113 My sister brought me half a box of thin mints yesterday. I still have half left. They are divine!

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 05:52 PM (MRw0g)

114 I can remember the last time I ate there (years) is because of the disappointment factor.

Ahhh. Well it's a once a year splurge for me, usually after a certain drunken beach volleyball tournament.

Hey, is Ms Tammy still in town? If she is, thought maybe we could lure her out to lunch.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 24, 2013 05:52 PM (41Skk)

115 "[New Yorkers] are only dangerous when many of them are in close proximity, like, in New York."

And the resulting prompt critical mass of fuckwittedness then helps visit the rest of us with President Barack Obama, Senators Schumer and Gillibrand, Mayor Bloomberg (who seems to think that being a mayor is a federal level role), and a whole galaxy of liberal lunatics in the House.

What's not to like?

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2013 05:52 PM (gqT4g)

116 New York = Chicago East

Posted by: zsasz at February 24, 2013 05:52 PM (MMC8r)

117 That's a given, wherever. In NYC, in some places, you not only have to continue paying property taxes, you have to pay yearly rental on the land. Because the owner doesn't want to sell it, only rent it, to idiots. People who want to hoist their nose in the air and act superior while the stench of cat piss over every inch of them causes all around them to gag.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 24, 2013 05:49 PM (feFL6)
Wait, howsthatnow?You can sell the house but not the land? What sorcery is this? In fact that's somewhat illegal in my state. There are charities that developed "land trusts" as a solution to the low income housing (where the house and land are sold separate and the low income family only has to take a mortgage on the house, while the charity picks up the land, it's stupid, let's not go there.) point is, they had to get a special exemption from the state to even try that IIRC. (Since our states require house and land to be sold together as I understand it.)IANAL, I may be misremembering what happened.

Posted by: tsrblke at February 24, 2013 05:53 PM (GaqMa)

118 Come on, at these prices it MUST be good.

Posted by: Noo Yawkah at February 24, 2013 05:54 PM (MMC8r)

119 My sister brought me half a box of thin mints yesterday. I still have half left. They are divine!

With 4 girls, all scouts, and a wife who has been a GS leader for 25 years, we've had our share of cookies come through the house. My wife, God bless her, diets 40-odd weeks of the year to make up for the 12 week calorie bonanza.

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2013 05:54 PM (6TB1Z)

120 You can always take a little bit of Charleston with you by buying local cookbooks. Some of the dishes might be hard to reproduce the seafood if you live far from the ocean. sigh.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 05:54 PM (g5wi5)

121 106
OT - Girl Scout cookies were just delivered to my house. Holy crap. The
wife bought 10 boxes. I don't know whether to love her or hate her.



Either way, I'm eatin some cookies and ain't nothin in NYC or Charleston that can hold a candle to Thin Mints.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 24, 2013 05:49 PM (2ycOl)


Tsk, tsk, tsk......

Posted by: Tami at February 24, 2013 05:54 PM (X6akg)

122 Charleston is my home, has been for half my life now. If you like to eat well, drink heartily and appreciate beauty in nature, architecture, art and the fairer sex, there is no better city on earth.

From local beach bars like Poe's, Dunleavey's, ACME Cantina, to great restaurants such as F.I.G, Muse, Oak Steakhouse, beer and food joints like Smokey Oak or Closed for Business, or cool cocktail places like Speakeasy or Macintosh, and everything in between, my city has it all.

We're the 4th most drinking city in the country according to some recent poll. 4-5 night a week I'm behind my bar trying to help us move up that list. The remaining nights, I'm on the other side of the bar, doing my part as well.

Posted by: Roachman at February 24, 2013 05:55 PM (ddxeV)

123 While stationed at Charleston 78-80 I found some of the best food at the little Gullah joints north of Charleston. From the outside they could look like rat invested dives, and sometimes the inside didn't look much different, but the food was usually outstanding.

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 24, 2013 05:55 PM (PBm/l)

124 Hey, is Ms Tammy still in town? If she is, thought maybe we could lure her out to lunch.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 24, 2013 05:52 PM (41Skk)

No, she's back in the hinterlands, I was emailing with her yesterday. Had a couple of little setbacks, lung-wise. First, got bronchitis on top of the receding pneumonia, then a little car crash that resulted in some bruising to the chest area (shut up, you guys, it's been done).

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 05:56 PM (MRw0g)

125 You can always take a little bit of Charleston with you by buying local cookbooks. Some of the dishes might be hard to reproduce the seafood if you live far from the ocean. sigh.
Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 05:54 PM (g5wi5)
This is one of the few problems in our country that can be solved with an abundance of money .(When I used to hock seafood at the local grocery store they used to explain, they could get almost anything in, fresh even, provided the customer was willing to pay for it. The rare exception is sea bass, which apparently has some weird import rule that it has to be frozen.)

Posted by: tsrblke at February 24, 2013 05:56 PM (GaqMa)

126 112 Awesome BCochran. What was one thing I bought at the gun show yesterday? One box of Thin Mints.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 05:51 PM (J8Sr0)



I open the door to a lady with a cardboard box full of Girl Scout cookies. "Those are all mine????"

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 24, 2013 05:56 PM (2ycOl)

127 Tami at February 24, 2013 05:54 PM (X6akg)
Now Tami, during Girl Scout cookie season everyone is supposed to look away and pretend we don't see our neighbors woofing down all those thin mints by the boxload.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 05:57 PM (g5wi5)

128 And the resulting prompt critical mass of fuckwittedness then helps visit the rest of us with President Barack Obama, Senators Schumer and Gillibrand, Mayor Bloomberg (who seems to think that being a mayor is a federal level role), and a whole galaxy of liberal lunatics in the House.What's not to like?
Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2013 05:52 PM (gqT4g)


I don't think Bloomberg would ever run for governor. He would see it as a step down in power and prestige.

Posted by: buzzion at February 24, 2013 05:57 PM (GULKT)

129 Roachman, But no more big johns or key clubs?

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2013 05:57 PM (Io7hX)

130 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 05:50 PM (GsoHv)

Heh. The bride and I need to go somewhere to thaw out. FL is our default. This sounds better. I know I need this when we start exclaiming how great the weather is when it hit 35 F today and the sun melts a tiny bit of the snow.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 24, 2013 05:57 PM (SCTXH)

131 I forgot Sermet's and Leaf. Both great places. Go to Sermet's for the sweet tea brined pork chop with rosemary butter.

Yes. A pork chop brined in sweet tea, grilled to perfection, and finished with butter. You'll thank me later.

Posted by: Roachman at February 24, 2013 05:57 PM (ddxeV)

132

Charleston - she crab soup. Nothing more to say.

Posted by: MisterMoney at February 24, 2013 05:57 PM (wN82N)

133 You can always take a little bit of Charleston with you by buying local
cookbooks. Some of the dishes might be hard to reproduce the seafood if
you live far from the ocean. sigh.


I tried. It wasn't the same.

If you like to eat well, drink heartily and appreciate beauty in nature,
architecture, art and the fairer sex, there is no better city on earth.


What is the name of the house of a retired businessman who liked things nautical? It was used as a government house during the late unpleasantness between the states. It is an absolute gem, crammed full of stuff and with nautical wood carvings intermixed with Victorian silver, all sitting out on tables.

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2013 05:58 PM (6TB1Z)

134 Mia's, might want to avoid August

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2013 05:58 PM (Io7hX)

135 My brother lives in Charleston and it's always great to go visit since a. he's an unbelievable cook and b. he'll drag us out somewhere to eat that is always fantastic.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at February 24, 2013 05:58 PM (Gk3SS)

136 tsrblke at February 24, 2013 05:56 PM (GaqMa)
Really? How many days to transport though?

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 05:58 PM (g5wi5)

137 I'll have to call to try some of these places this summer when I am down at Parris Island

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 24, 2013 05:58 PM (jE38p)

138 Posted by: Muad'dib at February 24, 2013 05:43 PM (SCTXH)

Muad'dib, go in Spring or Fall, because you will want to walk, a LOT. Because the downtown area is a peninsula, it's very compact. Charleston's downtown is one of the best walking cities I've ever seen outside of Europe.

Posted by: WMCB at February 24, 2013 05:59 PM (jjsXL)

139 Wait, howsthatnow?

I kid you not. They 'buy' a property in NYC but only rent the land it sits upon. Month after month, year after year. Decade after decade.

I'm sorry, but I can't have an ounce of respect for a person willing to bend over and take it up the @ss so thoroughly. Month after month, year after year. Decade after decade.

Because I know damn well if they don't pitch a bitch, it's gonna become 'the norm' all over the country in the next few years.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 24, 2013 05:59 PM (feFL6)

140 Hey you guys..

No wonder we were even more fucking boned with Mittens in the election than we realized.

His chief strategist says "Nah, sillies...the media wasn't in the tank for Ogabe. Whay would you ask something so dum-dummy"?



Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 05:59 PM (Yhu4q)

141 At $800 for two people there had better be hookers under the table.

I've never been impressed by super high-end restaurants. Nothing about them is worth the expense. In the few occasions I've been at such places the food was remarkably unremarkable, there wasn't much of it, and afterwards I always felt like going someplace more reasonable to get a real meal.

There are places where I can spend an uncomfortable amount of money on a single meal but you actually get something for it and the actual bill is minor by comparison to the absurd places.

Posted by: epobirs at February 24, 2013 05:59 PM (kcfmt)

142 Jean- Big John's is still there on East Bay, though they have a bit of a hipster infestation. Something to do with leaving cases of PBR tall boys around...

Key clubs are pretty much a thing of the past

Posted by: Roachman at February 24, 2013 05:59 PM (ddxeV)

143
"94 Great post CBD. I just put Charleston on my list of places to go see real soon. I'm guessing that March is nice and Springy?"

The azaleas are starting. We are edging towards more days In the 70`s than not. March - May are the time to visit, springtime in Charleston is magical, and it's not blast-furnace hot and humid yet.

Spoleto at the end of May as well.

Posted by: Ed at February 24, 2013 06:00 PM (aUjDu)

144
Fuck all you New York haters.

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2013 06:00 PM (bVDD2)

145 Charleston SC seems like such of a lovely place, it and Savannah GA have my favorite type of American accents. This topic reminds me of the stigmatization of the South and how southern accents are seen as less intelligent. There are whole careers based on people being ashamed to be from the South. Stephen Colbert is from Charleston and even talks about growing up and feeling ashamed of his southern accent, so he watched people on the news and learned to imitate them and their mid-western non-diction. His entire mocking patriotism shtick obvious comes with a generous portion of hatred towards his own southern roots. I would love to see someone give him shit over it face to face to see how he reacted.

Posted by: Drew in MO at February 24, 2013 06:00 PM (cGlgB)

146 I love the antebellum charm of Charleston, but it is hot as a BITCH in the summer.

Posted by: Ombudsman at February 24, 2013 06:01 PM (HqXYa)

147 Must have re opened, hipsters would not have survived the old Big Johns

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2013 06:01 PM (Io7hX)

148 I have never had she crab soup. Do they really use crab roe? It's illegal to harvest gravid crabs where I live.

Posted by: no good deed at February 24, 2013 06:01 PM (mjR67)

149 I've never been impressed by super high-end restaurants. Nothing about them is worth the expense.

I've always felt that way about high end wine. There is simply nothing that makes a bottle worth more than about $30, and I'd choke even on that. For the price of some high dollar wines, I'd better come back with a halo.

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2013 06:02 PM (6TB1Z)

150 But frankly I don't have the patience (or budget) to randomly run out and try a place, so I end up sticking to a few favorites to ensure a lack of disappointment.

----

I've found TripAdvisor pretty helpful (others like Yelp or UrbanSpoon, but TA trends a little older and more mainstream in terms of the folks who are contributors). You can cross-check reviews by regular ppl against the other reviews they've done which allows you to calibrate their tastes against yours. We'll also try a new place out at lunch, if they serve it, so we can see what it's like but not spend as much.

But dining out IS getting expensive, so I understand sticking with a "sure thing." Frankly, when I'm tired and just want to be fed comfort food in a cheerful environment (and get a drink or two), I wind up at Texas Roadhouse.

Posted by: Y-not at February 24, 2013 06:03 PM (5H6zj)

151 I love the antebellum charm of Charleston, but it is hot as a BITCH in the summer.


Posted by: Ombudsman at February 24, 2013 06:01 PM (HqXYa)
Plus I took a leak next to Ed Rendell in a Charleston restaurant. I think he looked over, but I can't be sure.

Posted by: Ombudsman at February 24, 2013 06:03 PM (HqXYa)

152 Now Tami, during Girl Scout cookie season everyone
is supposed to look away and pretend we don't see our neighbors woofing
down all those thin mints by the boxload.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 05:57 PM (g5wi5)


I'm just razzing him.....he knows why.

And I'm jealous....because I HAVEN'T GOTTEN MY COOKIES YET!!!

Posted by: Tami at February 24, 2013 06:03 PM (X6akg)

153 Thanks Ed and WMCB. We are both big walkers so that is perfect. Blooming already? *looks out of window at 46" of snow* Yeah, gonna be awhile for us here.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 24, 2013 06:04 PM (SCTXH)

154 This topic reminds me of the stigmatization of the South and how southern accents are seen as less intelligent.

It's ironic, given that the "southern" accent (as opposed to the hillbilly accent) is the closest to what we think of as aristocratic English, which itself only evolved as an affectation in the 1700s.

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2013 06:04 PM (6TB1Z)

155 I love the antebellum charm of Charleston, but it is hot as a BITCH in the summer.


Posted by: Ombudsman at February 24, 2013 06:01 PM (HqXYa)



We were there in August and I nearly passed out from the heat and humidity whilst walking around downtown. Then my brother dragged us into some hole in the wall place that had the single best mojitos I've ever had in my life. It was worth feeling like I was walking in a sauna for that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at February 24, 2013 06:04 PM (Gk3SS)

156 I have never had she crab soup. Do they really use crab roe? It's illegal to harvest gravid crabs where I live.


Posted by: no good deed at February 24, 2013 06:01 PM (mjR67)
I've had crabs. Oh, wait....

Posted by: Ombudsman at February 24, 2013 06:04 PM (HqXYa)

157 Plus I took a leak next to Ed Rendell in a Charleston restaurant. I think he looked over, but I can't be sure.
Posted by: Ombudsman at February 24, 2013 06:03 PM (HqXYa)

I took a leak next to Goose Gosage at Mickey Mantles

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 24, 2013 06:04 PM (jE38p)

158 "Charleston's downtown is one of the best walking cities I've ever seen outside of Europe." WMCB

I'll second that -
You can't see the best of Charleston if you aren't walking.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 06:04 PM (g5wi5)

159 I visited NYC once. Awful experience. I did not realize that there were so many feral men walking around there. Being the polite southern gal I am, I smiled at a passing man who looked at me. He immediately turned and started yelling
sexually harassing things at me and my sister for several blocks. Eff them all.

Posted by: jmel at February 24, 2013 06:04 PM (9tSXa)

160 fuck New York Shity... if it's all that, why have so many of its residents moved out here to Lost Angels, screwing up what used to be a great place to live?

there ought to be a bounty on any New Yawker found outside the city limits: open season and no limits.

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 24, 2013 06:05 PM (8MasJ)

161 The fact that Asswipe Bloomberg's corpse is not decorating a lamppost and feeding the crows is proof that New Yorkers are the world's premier cringing pansies.

Read the story from the Post in the sidebar. A people with balls would have rearranged Bloomie's, and his fascist Health Board's, long ago.

Posted by: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth at February 24, 2013 06:06 PM (Hsgnv)

162 I could survive a 4-day weekend in NYC without much difficulty. A typical New Yorker would last about4 hours on my property in the Colorado mountains before whining about where can they find a decent latte. It doesn't take a very unique skill set to get by in town- just a credit card and a poser's attitude. But try making a fire without matches, eating of nature's bounty gathered and prepared by your own hand or finding your way across 5 miles of rugged countryside? Those simple tasks would baffle most New Yorkers. And if you want to hear your own thoughts and commune with God- give me a summer afternoon in the mountains any day of the week. They are welcome to it, and I won't pop their snobby little bubble even a bit. Shhhhh, it'll just be our little secret.

Bonsamai!

(I am a reverse snob)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 24, 2013 06:06 PM (qqZuQ)

163 -1 for New York: None of their jews are named 'Bubba.'

Posted by: zsasz at February 24, 2013 06:07 PM (MMC8r)

164 Really? How many days to transport though?Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 05:58 PM (g5wi5)It varied depending on a few things (cost mostly).Like I said it's a "throw money at the problem" type thing.So we once scored QuinaultSalmon flown in from Washington within 48 hours of catch time (or boat dock I forget which.)But it ran like $35-40/lb (most people would rather just have Altantic Salmon, at the much more reasonable $10/lb).Fresh (live) Crab could also be gotten, but I don't remember the price, I just remember someone inquiring, I passed the inquiry to my manager, and was later told she decided against it due to cost. (I think she wanted Blue Crab specifically which is kinda expensive to get in the Midwest.)

Posted by: tsrblke at February 24, 2013 06:07 PM (GaqMa)

165 But Tami you got boots to stomp on over to take some Thin Mint cookies away from BCochran.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 06:07 PM (J8Sr0)

166 No no, you don't understand. We don't like styrofoam, or big cups, or well anything that the elites tell us we don't want. It's easier that way.

Posted by: world's premier cringing pansies at February 24, 2013 06:07 PM (6TB1Z)

167 One of my friends from our little wingnut internet community visited NYC with his wife a few years ago and I made a ridiculously large list of great, cheap restaurants for them. When I met up with him later in the week, I almost wanted to vomit when he recounted the places they'd eaten. NYC is full of shitty restaurants that cater to idiot tourists, and if you eat poorly, it's no one's fault but your own.

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at February 24, 2013 06:07 PM (E55AK)

168 79--- "What does that city do to people to cause such changes?"

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 05:36 PM (g5wi5)
---------------
I've seen what you are talking about. Kids may turn into moonbats when they go to just about ANY college, mind you, but NYC seems to turn them into nasty snot-faces as well.
My youngest daughter is an artiste and applied to a well-known design school in NYC, among other places. I am ashamed to say that I was rather relieved when she was not accepted.
Oh hell, I was overjoyed. I denounce my motherhood self.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 24, 2013 06:07 PM (C8mVl)

169 None of their jews are named 'Bubba.'
Posted by: zsasz at February 24, 2013 06:07 PM (MMC8r)


Maybe, but many are named Bubbie

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 24, 2013 06:08 PM (jE38p)

170 165
But Tami you got boots to stomp on over to take some Thin Mint cookies away from BCochran.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 06:07 PM (J8Sr0)


Oh that's right!

C'mere BC....this won't hurt...much.

Posted by: Tami at February 24, 2013 06:08 PM (X6akg)

171 But dining out IS getting expensive, so I understand sticking with a "sure thing." Frankly, when I'm tired and just want to be fed comfort food in a cheerful environment (and get a drink or two), I wind up at Texas Roadhouse. Posted by: Y-not at February 24, 2013 06:03 PM (5H6zj)Hence for my Birthday next week, we're going to a place out in St. Chuck which makes wonderful Cajun Pasta dishes, and if we go the day after my Birthday you can get a ginormous pasta and Salad for $8.99.

Posted by: tsrblke at February 24, 2013 06:09 PM (GaqMa)

172 OMG, thin mints, I forgot, I haz some! nom nom nom

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 06:09 PM (MRw0g)

173 I used to enjoy going off to the Caribbean during the winter. Then New Yorkers discovered it. They'd sit by themselves in a corner, talking a thousand miles a minute, bitching about everything under the sun, while 'normal people' would enjoy sitting under moonlight on an eighty degree night with a glass of Tia Maria.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 24, 2013 06:10 PM (feFL6)

174 " Kids may turn into moonbats when they go to just about ANY college, mind you, but NYC seems to turn them into nasty snot-faces as well. "

Well, there's one in Charleston where that won't happen, and while their I developed a taste for the artists down at SCAD

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2013 06:10 PM (qjFNd)

175 I'm pretty sure that Ace's monthly rent on his bench in the park far eclipses our monthly mortgage.

Posted by: zsasz at February 24, 2013 06:11 PM (MMC8r)

176 Hence for my Birthday next week, we're going to a place out in St. Chuck which makes wonderful Cajun Pasta dishes...
------
Happy early birthday, tsrblke!


I partly justify going out to eat as research for cooking. So far the husband is buying it.

Posted by: Y-not at February 24, 2013 06:12 PM (5H6zj)

177 Oh neat. 7pm Central time. BBCA will air their Doctor Who retrospective on the Second Doctor. Will be far far more entertaining than any crummy old Oscars show.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 06:12 PM (J8Sr0)

178 charleston is absolutely one of the best cities ive visited. its a very vibrant place filled with southern charm.

NYC? --nah, never been there, dont want to go in the least bit way. ive seen ENOUGH of it in the movies and on various television shows. it cant keep its fuckin mouth shut and that rat trap will never see me grace its ghetto sidewalks...

as fucked up as it sounds...id rather visit DETROIT just to witness a modern apocalypse...yeah i seriously would.

LA? that place can get the hell over itself too. another sewer i wont even consider to visit.

las vegas and boston are FAST becoming other locales i might put on my "i dont give a fuck about/not to go- list.

theres so many other interesting places to visit in this vast country.

again, fuck new york...god i love saying that...

Posted by: southern by the grace of I-95 at February 24, 2013 06:13 PM (DnIpv)

179 I'm feeling like quite the renaissance man today.

Politicized in the morning "open thread", lurked at the "book thread"without saying anything stupid, ranted in the "gun" thread as required, and used what few manners I possess in the "foodie" thread.

My mom would be so pleased.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2013 06:14 PM (4Mv1T)

180 And don't forget Tobacco Road you are still in the barrel.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 06:15 PM (J8Sr0)

181 There's a full moon rising over the Holy City tonight. Gonna be a beautiful drive downtown over the Ravenel Bridge.

Time to go sling some booze and knock back a few shots of Fireball with my Sunday regulars. I'll be serving the folks that make the food scene run in the kitchens of Charleston's retaurants when they knock off for the weekend and want to have a few pops to wind down later tonight.

Have a good one 'rons.

Posted by: Roachman at February 24, 2013 06:15 PM (ddxeV)

182 177

Those are the Doctor Who's I like.

And, on that note:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/379833/Daleks-designer-Cusick-dies-aged-84

Posted by: zsasz at February 24, 2013 06:15 PM (MMC8r)

183 Politicized in the morning "open thread", lurked at the "book
thread"without saying anything stupid, ranted in the "gun" thread as
required, and used what few manners I possess in the "foodie" thread.


And so, another day closer to death, and this is what you do with your days?

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2013 06:16 PM (6TB1Z)

184 surprisingly broad brush for morons to be painting with.

I have lived in nyc for quite a while. I never had any desire to move here and I do plan to leave asap - hopefully within a year.

nyc has a lot of great quailties and the people are one of them. nyc's political scene and everything associated suck. however, the condescension swings both ways morons. there may be a fair number of nyers that would not survive and prosper in the mountains, but surviving and prospering in nyc is not the easy thing y'all assume.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:16 PM (Z9EHQ)

185 >>>And don't forget Tobacco Road you are still in the barrel.

And it WAS spectacular, wasn't it? Not even sure how the hell I did that.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2013 06:17 PM (4Mv1T)

186 I grew up in the NYC metro area and lived for 15 years in LA

If someone told me I could only live in one or the other, I'd choose LA

Los Angeles has superior weather and scenery, and Angelenos don't think their city is the Center of the Universe

Anyone who would choose NYC over San Francisco is nuts

Once Wall Street is driven out of NYC, it's over. All those fancy restaurants won't survive unless EBT cards cover $800 meals for two


Posted by: kbdabear at February 24, 2013 06:17 PM (mCvL4)

187 I went to a deli one time in NYC ..can't remember which...and asked for a bagel with cream cheese. The douche behind the counter sniffed..."Dontcha mean a bagel with a shmear?" Me, being a douche bag back, said "A shmear is just some cream cheese, and you know that right? So, just gimme a fucking bagel with some cream cheese"

In contrast, I recall eating at Magnolia in Charleston once and remembered how the wait staff bent over backward to answer every question about the food, no matter how busy they were


Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 06:17 PM (Yhu4q)

188 surprisingly broad brush for morons to be painting with.

It's a specialty at AOSHQ.

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2013 06:17 PM (6TB1Z)

189 174--- "Well, there's one in Charleston where that won't happen, and while their I developed a taste for the artists down at SCAD"
Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2013 06:10 PM (qjFNd)
-------------
Heh. She in fact chose Savannah.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 24, 2013 06:17 PM (C8mVl)

190 Posted by: southern by the grace of I-95 at February 24, 2013 06:13 PM (DnIpv)

I used to have to go to NYC for business all the time. I was younger then and I enjoyed the energy of the place. Now? I couldn't care less about it. Seriously you guys. Couldn't. Care. Less.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 24, 2013 06:17 PM (SCTXH)

191 again, fuck new york...god i love saying that...
Posted by: southern by the grace of I-95

eisenhower had a good quote about never missing a chance to keep his mouth shut.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:17 PM (Z9EHQ)

192 there ought to be a bounty on any New Yawker found outside the city limits: open season and no limits.


Posted by: redc1c4 at February 24, 2013 06:05 PM

Damn, you'd clean up in northern Broward and Palm Beach counties in Florida

Posted by: kbdabear at February 24, 2013 06:18 PM (mCvL4)

193 Once Wall Street is driven out of NYC, it's over. All those fancy
restaurants won't survive unless EBT cards cover $800 meals for two


Excellent point. You would think they'd be a wee bit more gracious to the folks paying the bills.

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2013 06:18 PM (6TB1Z)

194 New York has a higher percentage of journalists.

Posted by: zsasz at February 24, 2013 06:19 PM (MMC8r)

195 Favorite vacation I have ever had. My fiancé and I went with my parents. Slightly north of broad was great. I liked Magnolia's as well. There were seafood restaurants as well, though the names escape me. We had a lunch at Banana's and Caviar - really interesting place. And breakfast at the Hominy Grill. We were there just a few days, and know we just scratched the surface.

The best thing for us was that we had varied interests, so there was something for everyone, and we could break apart and do separate things and all enjoy ourselves. Tons of history, lots of 1700's architecture, shopping, Art, food, drink, beaches, golf....we want to go back soon.

Posted by: Dave S. at February 24, 2013 06:19 PM (UvR6d)

196 I spent an evening at Grill 225 and it was quite memorable. Then we retired to the roof top bar for stogies and a few drinks.

What a place

Posted by: sTevo at February 24, 2013 06:19 PM (SLhOh)

197 What a place

Kind of like New Orleans, without the crime, disease, and sleaze.

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2013 06:20 PM (6TB1Z)

198 >>I used to have to go to NYC for business all the time. I was younger
then and I enjoyed the energy of the place. Now? I couldn't care less
about it. Seriously you guys. Couldn't. Care. Less.

This! The novelty wore off for me a long time ago. Travel to NYC anymore is just a pain in the ass. A very expensive pain in the ass

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 06:20 PM (Yhu4q)

199 : kbdabear

nyc metro and nyc are not the same, indeed nyc and manhattan and ny are not the same. manhattan beats la any day, every day, all day.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:21 PM (Z9EHQ)

200 I had a chance to work with the BIg, Black, Jewish, Chief of Police in Charleston as in intern in the mayor's office. That community needs a movie or a book

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2013 06:21 PM (uPUrh)

201 Lots of places, particularly old places, have leasehold (as opposed to freehold) land--a friend from NJ told me it was a monster thing some people found out about the hard way when they bought a home there--thrilled with the price of the house, horrified that the person they were sub-leasing the land underneath it from when they bought the place was out of their hundred -year lease five years later, and they had to rengotiate.

What NYC does to perfectly nice people who go there? Well, after a couple years of living in a closet with a deadbolt on the OUTSIDE of the bathroom because you're in a top floor walkup and there's a twelve by fifteen skylight in there that some crackfiend could come through, so you have to lock the bathroom when you're not using it and keep alert when you are; after a couple years of muscleing your way down the street everyday with a choice of slamming into other people or falling in the garbage; after having to keep up with the fad of the minute or be relegated to idiot status by your "friends" and coworkers; after constant noise, filth, rudeness and weirdness along with the other perks; well, yeah you get different. and a bit weird, self-absorbed, impatient and snarky.

Posted by: barbarausa at February 24, 2013 06:22 PM (WWeoI)

202 eisenhower had a good quote about never missing a chance to keep his mouth shut."

oh fuck eisenhower quotes.

id rather patton quotes if we're gonna go that route.

and fuck new yorkX1000

it could drift away to sea and i wouldnt miss it in the slightest. in fact, i'd prolly throw a party.

the quiet ambience and life of charleston is excellent. i used to love skateboarding downtown at night amongst the old buildings and talking to the locals before hitting up a show at the music farm....even the cracked out neighborhoods of north charleston are cleaner than most cities up north.


Posted by: southern by the grace of I-95 at February 24, 2013 06:22 PM (DnIpv)

203
Posted by: kbdabear at February 24, 2013 06:17 PM (mCvL4)

I've never been to NY, but based on the time I've spent in LA visiting family I'd never want to be there for more than about 1 week.

San Diego's nice. Lately if we go to LA to visit family we make sure to drag them to SD with us just to get the heck out of LA.

Posted by: tsrblke at February 24, 2013 06:23 PM (GaqMa)

204 New Orleans, the place the Mississippi River has forgotten to flush.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 06:23 PM (J8Sr0)

205 And, for the most part, New Yorkers, everybody else fucking hates the Yankees and Mets.

Posted by: zsasz at February 24, 2013 06:23 PM (MMC8r)

206 I didn't say it's easy living in NYC. Quite the contrary. 'Not sure how that (difficult lifestyle) is a selling point for the place.

It's expensive. It's dirty. It's crowded. There's little natural beauty and subpar weather.

The lure of more restaurants open at all hours doesn't make up for the inconvenience, and this is coming from someone who places a lot of importance on the restaurant scene. Thinking about our life in Chicago (a great restaurant town) vs our life now south of SLC, I'm not really pining for the extra restaurants. There are only so many dinners out I'm going to have in a given year. So NYC is just another iteration of that -- even MORE Great Restaurants. Meh.

Posted by: Y-not at February 24, 2013 06:24 PM (5H6zj)

207 >>Kind of like New Orleans,

Another very overrated place. Most of NO was a total shithole even before Katrina. It's too bad the flooding didn't reach the French Quarter. It would have done some good there. The entire area smells like the inside of one big outhouse

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 06:24 PM (Yhu4q)

208 @199

You cannot get a decent fish taco in NYC!

Try to find one!

Just try!!!


Posted by: General Woundwort at February 24, 2013 06:25 PM (zOP5o)

209 >>>And so, another day closer to death, and this is what you do with your days?

Nah, went to church with my lovely wife and son, saw my friends, and got a little less far away from God.

And will break out some fine highland spirits in about an hour, but don't tell anybody.

And you?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2013 06:25 PM (4Mv1T)

210 New Yorkers keep bragging about the variety of food choices.

I have just about every cuisine I could want or imagine within a ten minute drive

...and I don't ave to dodge meth heads and tranny hookers on every corner

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 06:27 PM (Yhu4q)

211 I have lived in a lot of places, especially in the sw and mw. Lots of places with reputations for nice and friendly populations. New York City is the only place i have ever lived where I know the name of nearly everyone I deal with on a regular basis. Everyone at every coffee shop, grocery store, restaurant, dry cleaner, everywhwere; well 90%.

ny is a different animal in the US, nowhere is as densely populated with the vertical architecture. It takes a long time to get used to living in ny but it, again excluding the government, is a cool place. you do not really get the place until you have lived there a couple of years. for your first year or two you feel like a tourist.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:28 PM (Z9EHQ)

212 >>You cannot get a decent fish taco in NYC!

You could in Times Square until Rudy cleaned it up. The requisite penicillen shots after were well worth it

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 06:29 PM (Yhu4q)

213 manhattan beats la any day, every day, all day.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:21 PM (Z9EHQ)

true dat . . . how you doin', Y5? {{{{{}}}}}}

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 06:29 PM (MRw0g)

214 @212

RIMSHOT....

Hey Oh!!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at February 24, 2013 06:29 PM (zOP5o)

215 Posted by: Roachman at February 24, 2013 05:57 PM (ddxeV)

Where are you slinging those drinks?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 06:30 PM (GsoHv)

216 Nah, went to church with my lovely wife and son, saw my friends, and got a little less far away from God.

And will break out some fine highland spirits in about an hour, but don't tell anybody.

And you?


Wow, almost the same. Church with wife (my daughter had a concert to practice for) and went with my everyday, namely Jameson's. Now that you've brought it up, I'm eying the Talisker, though.

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2013 06:30 PM (6TB1Z)

217 You cannot get a decent fish taco in NYC!

Try to find one!

Just try!!!




Posted by: General Woundwort at February 24, 2013 06:25 PM (zOP5o)

Be happy to send you some Mexicans, General. Just give me a shipping address and they're on their way!

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 06:30 PM (MRw0g)

218 Someone check on BCochran. Either he resisted Tami's cookie request. Or he is in a Thin Mint induced coma.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 06:30 PM (J8Sr0)

219 Hey you guys

I just noticed that the authors handle was made family friendly in the heading

What the fuck is up with that?

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 06:30 PM (Yhu4q)

220 ...and I don't ave to dodge meth heads and tranny hookers on every corner

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 06:27 PM (Yhu4q)

NYC has lots of big problems, but crime isn't one of them.

Meth heads and hookers are a thing of the past.

When was the last time you were in NY?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 06:31 PM (GsoHv)

221 Hey Charlie Brown's D-do!

Will be in Charleston this coming Memorial Weekend. Gimme some restaurant recommendations.

And what's the story with the NYC are Moron Meet-up?!

You're slacking, dude. ;-)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 24, 2013 06:31 PM (48jWE)

222 New Orleans, the place the Mississippi River has forgotten to flush.

It flushes with the spring rains. It's almost enough to wash Mardi Gras off.

Posted by: no good deed at February 24, 2013 06:31 PM (mjR67)

223 He's probably been distracted by the Oscar boobeh fest, Anna Puma. I don't know why those people aren't freezing to death, it's not that warm here today, mid-60s tops.

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 06:32 PM (MRw0g)

224 By the way, some of the best (and cheapest) food is in the outer boroughs, especially Queens.

If anyone is traveling up this way, I will be glad to steer them in the right direction to some of my favorite local, ethnic eateries.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 24, 2013 06:32 PM (48jWE)

225 @217

As long as they aren't Mexican-Mexican you know what I mean?

Posted by: General Woundwort at February 24, 2013 06:33 PM (zOP5o)

226 I heard about a really good ethnic restaurant here in DC recently. It's called Outback. Apparently it's Australian, and very authentic. Has anyone ever heard of it?

Posted by: pep at February 24, 2013 06:34 PM (6TB1Z)

227 Meanwhile -

Up to three more inches of snow could fall on Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa today and snow could even fall on Haleakala on Maui, National Weather Service forecasters said.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 06:34 PM (J8Sr0)

228 New Yorkers keep bragging about the variety of food choices.

I have just about every cuisine I could want or imagine within a ten minute drive

...and I don't ave to dodge meth heads and tranny hookers on every corner
Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013

really? that's it meth heads and tranny hookers? please. haveing a frozen food section wtih stouffers entrees is not the same as having a restaurant that makes the food around the corner and toothless is toothless whether it is a meth head or someone who made a living chewing hides in rendering facility.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:34 PM (Z9EHQ)

229 Of course, General, we will hand-select to order. No danger of back-order here . . .

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 06:35 PM (MRw0g)

230 >>When was the last time you were in NY?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 06:31 PM (GsoHv)

Two weeks ago

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 06:36 PM (Yhu4q)

231 Y-5 is snubbing me.

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 06:36 PM (MRw0g)

232 No Good Deed. When the Corps finally gets out of Mother Nature's way and lets the Mississippi River start its shift down the Achafalaya, then New Orleans can be cleaned up. After it dries out and blows away while a new river delta is created elsewhere.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 06:36 PM (J8Sr0)

233 true dat . . . how you doin', Y5? {{{{{}}}}}}
Posted by: Peaches at February 24,

Peaches! I am fine how are you and your feline overlords?

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:37 PM (Z9EHQ)

234 NYC perfectly expresses the non-Leftist political existential problem.

The people in NYC are (generalizations) , mutatis mutandis, very cordial and delightful folks, regardless of "class" or other differentiation.

They just happen to fall into two perfectly aligned classes, those who live on the hard work of others, and those who get psychological and emotional satisfaction from endorsing a coercive government when the government directs hard-working folks to give to non-working folks.

Personally, I have never met such a delightful and personable group of folks as NYC residents. They are the best of America.

The problem is their quasi-religious/Leftist perspective, which is so irrelevant on a personal basis, and so powerful on a societal basis.

I would love a non-Leftist NY Times, New Yorker, NPR. I am not going to get any of those, as much as I would love them.

The difference between Leftist and non-Leftist is cultural, to the overwhelming advantage of the Left.

It is NOT an intellectual advantage, it is an advantage of how superficiality (just human nature) plays out.


Posted by: Tonawnada at February 24, 2013 06:37 PM (GeFHE)

235 It's funny reading this crap, I must say. What saddens me as a NYC guy who doesn't share most people there's politics, is that in spite of all their allusions to hating capitalism and what have you, they're still a 100X better at it than flyover hicks. They own every aspect of the culture, and, really, it's their world and most of my political compatriots are just living in it ... on borrowed time.

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at February 24, 2013 06:37 PM (E55AK)

236 YankeeFifth has never snubbed Peaches, though sometimes he is slow on the replies.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:37 PM (Z9EHQ)

237 Carmines in NYC across from NBC is pretty hard to beat but Charleston is a great city but hot in the summer. But the I live in Alabama so easy to impress me.

Posted by: UncleZeb at February 24, 2013 06:38 PM (Nvirt)

238 So Y5 how goes your evac plan?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 06:38 PM (J8Sr0)

239 The book thread was great. I paid my first visit, lurked, read all the recommendations, and picked up several ideas for new books. thanks

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 06:38 PM (g5wi5)

240 What the fuck is up with that?

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 06:30 PM (Yhu4q)

I am a guest at AOSHQ, and it seems as though Ace is hitting the mainstream more and more. A bit of subtlety in my nic is the least I can do.

His voice is more important than mine, and it needs as wide a broadcast as possible.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 06:40 PM (GsoHv)

241 Y5 how goes your evac plan?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24,

Hey Anna. I am on track, have been down in Dallas lookin' for a nice place with a big out back. Fixin to make a move by late 2013.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:40 PM (Z9EHQ)

242 234 I would love a non-Leftist NY Times, New Yorker, NPR. I am not going to get any of those, as much as I would love them.
Posted by: Tonawnada at February 24, 2013 06:37 PM (GeFHE)

About the closest you will get is the NY Post.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 24, 2013 06:40 PM (48jWE)

243 Two weeks ago

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 06:36 PM (Yhu4q)

Well, you managed to find the shitholes in a very big city. Where were you....East NY or Brownsville?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 06:41 PM (GsoHv)

244 Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:37 PM (Z9EHQ)

It's amazing that any post about NYC gets part of the horde into a tizzy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 06:42 PM (GsoHv)

245 Two weeks ago

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24,

Bullshit

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:42 PM (Z9EHQ)

246 Carmines in NYC across from NBC is pretty hard to beat but

Noooooooooooooooo! Only tourists go there.

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at February 24, 2013 06:42 PM (E55AK)

247 "When the Corps finally gets out of Mother Nature's way and lets the
Mississippi River start its shift down the Achafalaya, then New Orleans
can be cleaned up."

I suspect that the Atchafalaya is going to eventually capture the Mississippi quite regardless of what the Corps of Engineers thinks, or tries to do, about it. No getting out of the way will be required.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2013 06:43 PM (gqT4g)

248 Good luck on the quest. Though the Dallas/FW amoeba keeps creeping out and engulfing unsuspecting little towns and cows. Looking north of the blob? Or east?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 06:43 PM (J8Sr0)

249 I met quite a few from the area while I was at Carmines. I know its a biggie for tourists but is was good food, too much food and not extravagant.

Posted by: UncleZeb at February 24, 2013 06:46 PM (Nvirt)

250 YankeeFifth has never snubbed Peaches, though sometimes he is slow on the replies.

xoxo


Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2013 06:47 PM (MRw0g)

251 Ace can post something in his ninth grade French and it makes more sense then the NYC defenders.

'Flyover hicks'? Fuck you.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 24, 2013 06:48 PM (feFL6)

252 "What saddens me as a NYC guy who doesn't share most people there's
politics, is that in spite of all their allusions to hating capitalism
and what have you, they're still a 100X better at it than flyover hicks."

New Yorkers are great at capitalism, especially at the kind of capitalism that comes with enormous special tax breaks and with fat government bailouts.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2013 06:48 PM (gqT4g)

253 @237

A better choice for family style Italian would have been Sambuca near Central Park.

Beats Carmines by a country mile.

One does not go to Carmines!

Ever!

Posted by: General Woundwort at February 24, 2013 06:49 PM (zOP5o)

254 >>Well, you managed to find the shitholes in a very big city. Where were you....East NY or Brownsville?

Not exactly off the beaten path. A couple of tweaked young-ish panhandlers got confrontational mear the Javitz...and then we got bothered by some Asian trannies while shopping for something for the wives not far Rockefeller Center

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 06:49 PM (Yhu4q)

255 Geez this is 'art'??? At first I thought it was Lady Gaga.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/hillaryreinsberg/pandemonia-interview

SMOD why for thou hast deserted us?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 06:51 PM (J8Sr0)

256 >>
Two weeks ago



Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24,



Bullshit

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:42 PM (Z9EHQ) <<

Really? Why?

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 06:51 PM (Yhu4q)

257 Ace can post something in his ninth grade French and it makes more sense then the NYC defenders.

'Flyover hicks'? Fuck you.
Posted by: Regular Moron at February 24, 2013

you seem to be confused by the difference between defenders and people suggesting that having some knowledge of the subject is useful. it is not even apparent you read the comment with the fly over hicks language correctly.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:51 PM (Z9EHQ)

258
Nothing wrong with NYC that living in the Adirondacks can't cure.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 24, 2013 06:52 PM (SAMxH)

259
249
I met quite a few from the area while I was at Carmines. I know its a
biggie for tourists but is was good food, too much food and not
extravagant.

I was being a little over the top, but most of us just get sad when tourists have their visits defined by anything in that general midtown area.

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at February 24, 2013 06:52 PM (E55AK)

260 Really? Why?
Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013

because unless you were running a tour group for trannies and meth heads it is extremely unlikely you ran into any in the last two weeks.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:53 PM (Z9EHQ)

261 South of Charleston is Beaufort, a little town worth seeing. A couple cool bars, a lot of history, and a neat riverfront. MCAS Beaufort is there.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 24, 2013 06:53 PM (36yLD)

262 There are a lot of good places to eat in big cities. The problem is that there are too many fancy places that are overpriced with sub-par food.

You gotta eat at the places that non-rich locals go to. Plenty of good places in L.A. that is good and affordable. The best burgers in the world were born in L.A. and the SoCal area.

London is probably the worst offender when it comes to food. Even the "regular" restaurants are hoity-toity places that hipsters will go to, because eating a $20 tiny sandwich that is tasteless is somehow ironic. However, the pub grub was decent. If you want good English food, you need to eat outside the big cities and hit up the pubs for in season food; it's delicious.

tl;dr If you want to enjoy good regional food, eat at the holes-in-the-wall that working class people eat at.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 24, 2013 06:54 PM (Vk2pI)

263 @254

Asian trannies near Rockefeller?

NO!

Panhandlers near the Javitz?

NO!

Lilly gilder!

Posted by: General Woundwort at February 24, 2013 06:54 PM (zOP5o)

264 Via Gateway Pundit. A progressive think tank has come up with a novel solution to Chicago's gun violence problems.

Raise the minimum wage and the problem will go away.
http://tinyurl.com/a3g7fdr

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 06:57 PM (J8Sr0)

265 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 24, 2013 06:07 PM (C8mVl)

I can't blame you. And I have a student that attended in the same area as your daughter, and has done quite well. NYC offers a chance at attaining major positions. But so many fail and even those who make it to the top, often seem to end up sacrificing part of themselves to do so.

My old roommate from Long Island would be screaming at me at this point. She was huge fun to be around and a great person. So it is not the individuals that strike me that way. I'm referring more to the abrasiveness of the culture to those are not accustomed to it.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 06:57 PM (g5wi5)

266 >>because unless you were running a tour group for
trannies and meth heads it is extremely unlikely you ran into any in the
last two weeks.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 06:53 PM (Z9EHQ)

Great logic there

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 06:58 PM (Yhu4q)

267 122 Need to second the love for Muse. Was down in Charleston last year when my wife was in the wedding from Hell, and Muse is where we escaped to when it was over. Fantastic food, great wine selection and beautiful atmosphere.

Posted by: SDM at February 24, 2013 06:58 PM (uwMYR)

268 Oh neat. 7pm Central time. BBCA will air their Doctor Who retrospective on the Second Doctor. Will be far far more entertaining than any crummy old Oscars show.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 06:12 PM (J8Sr0)


Best. Doctor. Evah.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 24, 2013 06:59 PM (Vk2pI)

269 This †alk of trannies and meth heads in NYC kind of makes me nostalgic for 20 years ago when they actually existed. More than anything. Manhattan is turning into the suburbs these days with s hyper-proliferation of chain stores.

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at February 24, 2013 06:59 PM (E55AK)

270 Academy aWards Thread up.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2013 07:00 PM (J8Sr0)

271 And, on that note:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/379833/Daleks-designer-Cusick-dies-aged-84

Posted by: zsasz at February 24, 2013 06:15 PM (MMC8r)


ಠ_ಠ

Posted by: Davros at February 24, 2013 07:01 PM (Vk2pI)

272 NYC offers a chance at attaining major positions. But so many fail and even those who make it to the top, often seem to end up sacrificing part of themselves to do so.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24,

Well, the opportunity to attain great positions and very high failure rate and sacrificing a part of yourself are functions of competition and capitalism.

as long as everything is going well ny is a great place to be, if you stumble or fall ny will kick your ass.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 07:01 PM (Z9EHQ)

273 Great logic there
Posted more by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 0

well, the original comment was that they were "on every corner", so, to meet that standard it is going to require some special circumstances.


Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 07:04 PM (Z9EHQ)

274 as long as everything is going well ny is a great place to be, if you stumble or fall ny will kick your ass.

Very true.

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at February 24, 2013 07:04 PM (E55AK)

275 I can walk down the street in my section of 'flyover country' and meet a number of nurses and Doctors, a chemical engineer with a multimillion dollar business, an engineer involved in a number of NASA missions, an artist with paintings in most major USA museums, and the usual multimillionaire successful business people.

But making sense of NYC defenders is difficult. Somehow they parse the language to elevate their self-esteem, while ignoring punctuation. Because they are better. While the Chinese in Shanghai are erecting one new skyscraper every five days and its what decade since 9/11/2001 -- for what?

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 24, 2013 07:05 PM (feFL6)

276 >>well, the original comment was that they were "on every corner", so, to
meet that standard it is going to require some special circumstances.


It was obviously exaggeration for effect. The obvious point was that it was obvious that these things occur with a higher degree of frequency in NYC...still. Obviously.

It's obvious to all but the oblivious, that is



Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 07:08 PM (Yhu4q)

277 Many years ago, had a job interview at Marsh McLennan, which I was unqualified for. Same company got savaged on 9-11. What ifs...

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 24, 2013 07:09 PM (DnMk1)

278 Regular Moron, I've wished that the founders had imposed political limits on population density.

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2013 07:10 PM (uPUrh)

279 Who said there aren't successful flyover hicks? I said they're useless, ineffectual people who have no influence on anything, not that they're poor. But if you're not troubled by the direction in which this country is being led by people who suffer from the cognitive dissonance of being entrepreneurial and affluent while also being greasy left wingers, then more power to you.

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at February 24, 2013 07:13 PM (E55AK)

280 It was obviously exaggeration for effect. The obvious point was that it was obvious that these things occur with a higher degree of frequency in NYC...still. Obviously.

It's obvious to all but the oblivious, that is



Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 07:08 PM

sure, and it is likely that the food selection wherever you are is as diverse as it is in ny, cause ethnic diversity and population have no impact on variety. obviously.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 07:14 PM (Z9EHQ)

281 Charleston's great! Good food, lots of history, plenty of recreation...

Then there's this: http://chasthuglife.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Xavier at February 24, 2013 07:14 PM (T2oeP)

282 Will be in Charleston this coming Memorial Weekend. Gimme some restaurant recommendations.

Cypress, Basil Thai, Fig, 39 Rue De Jean, 82 Queen, Poogan's Porch, Hominy Grill, McCrady's Wine Bar (the wine bar is better IMO than the restaurant if you are just feeling snacky. Amazing tapas/appetizers.) Sermet's Corner (I could eat their crusty bread dipped in spicy olive oil all damn day) was fabulous when I lived there, but heard recently Sermet himself has left, and it has gone downhill somewhat.

If you want to get off the peninsula out onto the islands, where the seafood is divine, then The Boathouse at Breach Inlet, Shem Creek Grill, The Wreck of the Richard and Charlene (not advertised, no sign, difficult to find), and Bowen's Island Restaurant (OMG The fresh steamed oysters. THE OYSTERS!) If you want to just sit outdoors and watch the shrimp boats and the sportfishers come in and unload, and have a cold beer and some decent wings, hit Red's Ice House on Shem Creek. It's bar food, but the setting is fun.

Plus all the ones mentioned in the post. And that doesn't scratch the surface.

Posted by: WMCB at February 24, 2013 07:16 PM (jjsXL)

283 Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at February 24, 2013 05:40 PM

Is this one sharing a laptop with our resident cat lady from NYC?

Posted by: kbdabear at February 24, 2013 07:17 PM (mCvL4)

284 Did you go to the Grocery? Great Place. I've had the pork belly at Anson and it is delicious. Lived there in '89-90 (Hurricane Hugo time) and my parents have lived in Mt Pleasant ever since...go there every year for at least a few weeks

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 24, 2013 07:18 PM (XvrTA)

285 lifelong new yorker surburbianite, but have relatives in Charleston. Been there a few times, I like the fact that (as of 200 there was still a smoking section in most restaurants,andthe "no carrying concealed weapons" signs you often see suggests you are in the civilized world.

Posted by: mallfly at February 24, 2013 07:20 PM (jDjlM)

286 I bet they don't even have shrimp and grits in NYC!

Posted by: WTF at February 24, 2013 07:20 PM (mOAN5)

287
also Husk/ the Bar at Husk
Moe's for good sports bar food

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 24, 2013 07:20 PM (HJF7v)

288 BTW, did everyone here know that NYC and the NYC Metro area is the only place ever to see a hurricane, or even a natural disaster?

Judging by the wailing and demands for instant cash from the taxpayers of America, you'd think so

Katrina doesn't count because Bush blew up the levees you know ..


Posted by: kbdabear at February 24, 2013 07:22 PM (mCvL4)

289 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 06:40 PM (GsoHv)

There are many very bright and extremely witty people here. Within the right format, Ace and many of you could challenge Jon Stewart for your ability to snap out that "cool humor". A rare gift. I'm not joking- but I am speaking of your print wit- I've not had the chance to hear how that transitions into verbal communication. If you could reach a wider audience, personalities on this blog could emerge as the answer towards providing rebuttals with sharp humor to a wider national audience. And we need "cool wit- in the national dialogue. we are being killed by Jon Stewart's appeal to the under 40 crowd.

But

what you just said about the larger audience. Very wise. Even Stewart gets bleeped when he is in front of a national audience.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 07:22 PM (g5wi5)

290 some inane comment that only a person residing within NYC would be able to parse Zippity Doo Dah

NYC *used* to be a great city. It is no longer. You've become a bitter clinger. Let it go.

When some city in China can erect a skyscraper every five days while Donald Trump can't even create a convincing combover, or even look like he has an issue with the current 'lower the bridge' administration, you're screwed and not worth considering as a 'world class' city.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 24, 2013 07:23 PM (feFL6)

291 >>sure, and it is likely that the food selection
wherever you are is as diverse as it is in ny, cause ethnic diversity
and population have no impact on variety. obviously.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 07:14 PM (Z9EHQ)

I don't know what got into your shorts to make you all fighty and stuff.....but to be blunt, you're just coming off as a douche.Oh BTW, we the wife and I enjoy this little Albanian/ Macedonia joint a few miles form us..or at times we enjoy the Sri Lankan nearby..or the Amish place...even the Moroccan establishment...and so on.It's not as compact here as NYC,,,but motorcars are a wonderful thing

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 07:24 PM (Yhu4q)

292 BRB. Arby's is running their 2 for $4 fish sandwich deal again.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at February 24, 2013 07:26 PM (JQuNB)

293 The DFW amoeba?!......Hahahahahahahaha......thats great.Never heard it called that. Never wouldn't move anywhere east of the Trinity River.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 24, 2013 07:27 PM (Os+6p)

294 This native Charlestonian (who will never leave) is so happy you had such a great experience! Other stuff, too...but I want to read the other comments first. Just got here.

Posted by: Princess Angelina Contessa Louisa Francesca...III at February 24, 2013 07:27 PM (Y+woW)

295 I don't even know what you're babbling about regular Moron. Leaving aside the fact that NYC is an island and building new skyscrapers would necessitate tearing old ones down or erecting them where they don't belong, Donald Trump - in spite of his numerous failings - is one of us.

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at February 24, 2013 07:29 PM (E55AK)

296 The cuisine coming out of Barcelona is far superior to any of those cities you listed. Chicago? Pfft.

Posted by: Jesusland at February 24, 2013 07:29 PM (jIlzK)

297 292,extra horsey sauce

Posted by: Jean at February 24, 2013 07:34 PM (xBps2)

298 Posted by: yankeefifth at February 24, 2013 07:01 PM (Z9EHQ)

I'll keep that in mind. By those standards my niece is a raging, capitalist success. She has also become a radical-socialist journalist and despises her roots and family. Small sacrifices to making it in the Big Apple

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin.PR agent for Charleston at February 24, 2013 07:34 PM (g5wi5)

299 Check out a place called Opal, across the Cooper river in Mt Pleasant. They have a shrimp bruschetta w/ green chili appetizer that is awesome - easily can make an entree out of that. Not much of a cocktail guy, but they make a grapefruit/habanero margarita w/ basil that is fantastic, not sweet at all.

If you love shrimp, you gotta have shrimp "fresh off the boat" down there, better than anything from the grocery. Also, the oyster roasts (southerners version of backyard BBQ) really needs to be experienced.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 24, 2013 07:37 PM (XvrTA)

300 Donald Trump - in spite of his numerous failings - is one of us.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahha. Now I know you're trolling me. Good night, mate.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 24, 2013 07:38 PM (feFL6)

301 Charleston Resturant Recomendation: drive 50 minutes south to Edisto (ED is tow) Beach and order the local seafood platter from the Flowers Seafood Truck. Friends don't let friends eat imported seafood

Posted by: Tmitsss at February 24, 2013 07:39 PM (oMAbH)

302 300
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahha. Now I know you're trolling me. Good night, mate.


I generally try not to engage retards in discussion, but are you actually oblivious to the fact that Trump is on the right? Or are you just arguing for your own amusement because that's what stupid people do?

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at February 24, 2013 07:42 PM (E55AK)

303 Folly Beach in Charleston is real nice. About an hour and a half up the coast is Pawley's Island, an amazing old restricted development beach resort. The beachouse we stayed in was ricketty, rustic and beautiful -- had to be at least 75 years old. I think Hurricane Hugo wiped out a lot of the area though.

And nearby is Brookgreen Botanical Gardens -- amazing gardens and statuary.

And Myrtle Beach is a half hour up the road if you wanna do the tourist thing.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 24, 2013 07:46 PM (K3B0+)

304 great. slow news day. can't get enough of those Pandering To The Low Self Esteem South stories.

Posted by: DrunkenPilot at February 24, 2013 07:46 PM (m/d07)

305 37 Posted by: nuclearjim at February 24, 2013 05:17 PM (Hp9C6)

I worked in the Market for 9 years, and have heard some of the most offensive bs from tourists. The worst was when some scrunt told me she thought it was called the lowcountry because only "low" people lived here in the past. That'll ruin your day.

But the one I try to remember is the elderly man who came to visit around Thanksgiving of 2001. He stood looking out my shop window onto Meeting St. for the longest time, silent. I just figured he was waiting for someone. He turned to me misty eyed and told me he was from NYC and his personal account of 9/11 and about losing people he loved. He then basically went into what CBD said and got choked up and said he wanted to make sure he remembered it all.

They aren't all bad.

Posted by: Princess Angelina Contessa Louisa Francesca...III at February 24, 2013 07:49 PM (Y+woW)

306 People still call that market the "slave market", which is false. Not that slaves weren't traded in Charleston, obviously, but that was not a "slave market".

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 24, 2013 07:53 PM (XvrTA)

307 >>Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 24, 2013 07:53 PM (XvrTA)

I seem to remember while doing the tourist things years back seeing where the slave trade was supposed to have been done, There were rice bags and other stuff around as props. Is that not The Market, or at least nearby?

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 24, 2013 07:56 PM (Yhu4q)

308 32 Posted by: lincolntf at February 24, 2013 05:14 PM (ZshNr)

I haven't finished the comments, so someone may have offered this already:

Is it still close to Kiawah? If it is and it's a rich-people island, it might be Seabrook.

Posted by: Princess Angelina Contessa Louisa Francesca...III at February 24, 2013 07:57 PM (Y+woW)

309 Let me throw another awesome ancient southern city Your way: St. Augustine. Got a lot of cool museums, Great restaurants featuring out of this world seafood and European cusine. A lot of great history being the nations oldest city and the best beach in Florida just down the road in St. Augustine Beach.

Posted by: MikeW at February 24, 2013 08:03 PM (06qTP)

310 One year in August I was in San Francisco and 2 months later I was in Charleston. Everyone in San Fran bragged about what a open and friendly city is was but I found it no more so than Minneapolis, Omaha or any other large mid-west city. Charleston did not brag about how friendly there were, but I have to confess that Charlestonians are about the most naturally friendly and hospitable people I have come across anywhere, southern hospitality personified. And yes, the food was magnificent as well.

Posted by: Thresherman at February 24, 2013 08:45 PM (Vbcjo)

311 Bah. If I want great food (Better than New York or Charleston), grime, crime, corruption, I can stay home in New Orleans. And I can legally carry my handgun down here to mitigate the crime threat.

Posted by: Cybrludite at February 24, 2013 08:59 PM (HoYju)

312 I'm from the South but live in NYC now (Manhattan) - I swear it's not as bad as y'all think it is. It's actually pretty great.

Mark Steyn has a line he uses often about how King George may have theoretically been able to do anything he wanted to his subjects, but practically the British government was not a part of people's everyday life. King Bloomberg is kind of like that: yes, his edicts about soft-drinks and trans-fats are obnoxious, but you really can do just about anything you want here. Weed, beer, and awesome pizza are delivered to your door! There are a million great restaurants - not just Per Se and Daniel, but the place down the street too.

I realize I sound like I work for the NYC Tourism Board Conservative Website Outreach Program (gov't job - pays $95,000/year, retire at 55) but seriously, NYC is pretty awesome.

Posted by: Mike Jonze at February 24, 2013 09:02 PM (QrLtW)

313 Cybrludite - I agree, I think New Orleans actually might have the best food of anywhere in the country right now.

Posted by: Mike Jonze at February 24, 2013 09:02 PM (QrLtW)

314 Thanks for the nice writeup , CBD .
We generally enjoy it when folks say nice things about S. Carolina .
When people say not so nice things , we mostly don't give a shit .
Good road trip is Charleston to Beaufort to Savannah . If you can't find something to love in those three cities then you're probably a self righteous commie pedophile .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 24, 2013 09:08 PM (USjX1)

315 Best part of Charleston- Pat Freaking Caddell lives right up the road. Lived here 9 years, don't think I'll ever live anywhere else. Best restaurant in town is Tristan. Amazing.

Posted by: Chip (not that waiter) at February 24, 2013 09:16 PM (qlBXs)

316 Charleston is indeed a gem. Conservative, great food, nice people, and classy. I've been here since Hugo in 89 with the Air Force and stayed. If you like true farm to market excellence, FIG is a hidden gem downtown. (stands for Food is Good) And if you want a terrific bar, the Blind Tiger Pub is killer. It's on Broad between Church and State. They have a T shirt that says 'we separate church and state' And walk or run the bridge. Fantastic.

Posted by: Chucktown at February 24, 2013 09:19 PM (AHwsB)

317 Love me some Charleston. Been much too long since I visited.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 24, 2013 09:24 PM (yq7YA)

318 It's amazing how many really cool coastal cities there are in the South. Of course Charleston, but I've seen other gems like Beaufort, Hilton Head, Savannah, St. Augustine, Mobile and New Orleans.

I feel a road trip coming on.

Posted by: Ed at February 24, 2013 09:26 PM (aUjDu)

319 FIG is a hidden gem downtown.

Posted by: Chucktown at February 24, 2013 09:19 PM (AHwsB)

Yeah...not so hidden. We couldn't get a table.

Try Two Boroughs Larder for an amazing lunch.

http://tinyurl.com/b9zjs33

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2013 09:38 PM (GsoHv)

320 Savannah is equally as good, but skip St. Paddy's Day unless you like green beer and drunks.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 24, 2013 09:54 PM (K3B0+)

321 "King Bloomberg is kind of like that: yes, his edicts about soft-drinks
and trans-fats are obnoxious, but you really can do just about anything
you want here."

Okay, I want to own a pistol, for starters.

[Screeching noise of tires under maximum braking.]

Oh. So I *can't* actually "do just about anything I want". Not even exercising a basic enumerated Constitutional right dating back centuries.

No thank you. Fuck New York. Haven't liked it one bit on previous visits. Liking it even less now that New Yorkers are deciding to impose their tastes in policy on the rest of the country.

Going on vacation later this year. Not even one polished penny of my tourist trade money is coming to NYC. Going to a red state instead. Sorry. Bye bye.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2013 09:59 PM (gqT4g)

322 CBD- I'm at Burns Alley Neighborhood Bar. "Hard to find, impossible to forget." Tucked away off Burns Lane between King And Meeting Sts, just south of Calhoun (turn off King at 5 Guys). Ask any hotel or food service person, they'll knowwhere we are...

JJS- If you go to one restaurant in Charleston, I would most strongly recommend F.I.G. Amazing local produce, superb technique and a great experience overall. Muse and Sermet's are close in the running as well, and certainly worth a visit.

If you're looking for seafood downtown, avoid Hyman's, or most places on the Market (tourist traps, basically), save the money that Hank's would cost, and go to Coast, just off John St. If you want to venture across the bridge, Atlanticville on Sullivan's Island is superb, as is The Boat House at Breech Inlet (great intercoastal views, hard to get a table around sunset).

Once you get to town, ask a local. There are many, many hidden gems in Charleston that are far better alternatives to many of the more mainstream or tourist known places.

And yes, you owe yourself breakfast at Hominy Grill. For the bacon. Sweet, thick cut, applewood smoked bacon...

Posted by: Roachman at February 25, 2013 04:50 AM (ddxeV)

323 Yeah you gotta have the money to enjoy nyc

Posted by: occam at February 25, 2013 08:22 AM (IJgR1)

324 One of my favorite TV shows is House Hunters on HGTV. It's a liberal nightmare of self-centered, stupid people but I can't help watching it. Having bought and sold four houses now I just get off on the process. They recently did a show in Charleston. The married couple wanted to buy a vacation home in Charleston. I think their main house was in Massachusetts. Might have been New York, but it was a blue state. They wanted a vacation home to escape the harsh winters blah blah blah. They had a $500K budget. Yeah. Nice, huh? Anyway, get this: the wife's biggest peeve was she didn't want a house on a street that was frequented by the carriage horses. The charming horse and buggies that went all over town spiriting tourists. Oh, no. That was just outrageous to her. To make a horse work like that? How cruel. It never occurred to that bitch that those horses were probably treated better and live better lives than many people do. So like a typical liberal, they move to states for the way of life and immediately try to change it to be like the place they just left. It'd be funny if it weren't so damned maddening.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at February 25, 2013 09:06 AM (4zKCA)

325 "Access to ethnic food" is one of those things that most big-city dwellers haven't quite figured out is no longer unique to big cities. Considering that my own little corner of the Shenandoah boasts, among other things, a fancy French restaurant and an authentic Jamaican café within blocks of each other? Sorry NYC, but I don't need to deal with suffocation and uncivilized people with no manners just to get to Snow White Grill. We only get that once a year during Apple Blossom and that's more than enough for me, thank you kindly.

Posted by: The Ghost of Flannery O'Connor at February 25, 2013 09:36 AM (mMtFx)

326 sock

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