Saturday Morning Open Thread

More global warming on the way here in the NE, and I'll be shoveling it all morning tomorrow.

Speaking of which, via @BigJoeBastardi, Obama's real "green jobs plan" has been uncovered.

Study: Global Warming Can Be Slowed By Working Less

A new analysis suggests that a more 'European' schedule would reduce the effects of climate change

He's Saving The Planet You Guys!

Posted by: Andy at 07:57 AM



Comments

1 Good morning 'Rons and 'Ettes!

Posted by: TiminAL at February 23, 2013 07:58 AM (A9c4d)

2 Good Morning Morons. Today is Saturday, February 23, 2013. On this day in 1896 the Tootsie Roll was introduced. It is still one of the best selling candies around today. It is named after Leo Hirschfeld’s daughter.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 07:58 AM (53z96)

3 Folks you can expect to see a lot more of these domestic spy drones in the near future.

http://is.gd/COVvtc

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 07:58 AM (53z96)

4 Will gun and bullet makers relocate to TX and MS?

http://is.gd/fQBA4R

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 07:58 AM (53z96)

5 Six underground tanks that hold a brew of radioactive and toxic waste at the nation's most contaminated nuclear site are leaking, federal and state officials said Friday, prompting calls for an investigation from a key senator.


This is a government site and if a civilian site had the problems this one does the people running it would have been in jail long ago. I don’t know how bad Hanford is but I do know about it’s sister site, Oakridge. It is a colossal mess. I have been told you can not dig a hole on the site without hitting something bad.

http://is.gd/KC1JEP

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 07:59 AM (53z96)

6 Asshole liberal judge rules that carry permits are not protected by the amendment saying we have a right to carry.

http://is.gd/HUSLQC

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 07:59 AM (53z96)

7 Why is Obama so stupid on economics? Well here is one reason of many:

http://is.gd/bfBDzt

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 07:59 AM (53z96)

8 America’s top 20 most miserable cities; all run by Democrats for a long time.

http://is.gd/iyNEig

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:00 AM (53z96)

9 Asshole editor for Daily Caller says States that are passing laws to prevent federal laws on guns from being enforced are violating the Constitution. Why? Because the courts say so. Well I say he is full of shit.

http://is.gd/3fr5mf

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:00 AM (53z96)

10 Firefighter and first responders who were used by Obama in his political message were in violation of local law for politicking (in uniform). Who provided them? The union of course.

http://is.gd/M0Y1yE

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:00 AM (53z96)

11 MO Commies propose bill that makes introducing a bill to limit union power a felony. I still say it is time to post a bill making it a felony to be a Democrat.

http://is.gd/iPQOzb

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:00 AM (53z96)

12 Clint Eastwood gets “swatted”. The penalties for this crime need to be upped dramatically commensurate with the danger they pose and call tracing should be installed at 911 centers. This is way past the “joke” phase.

http://is.gd/xZhhWH

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:01 AM (53z96)

13 MFM collaborated with Obama on Hagel nomination. It is no longer “bias”.

http://is.gd/azz9DZ

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:01 AM (53z96)

14 VA Communists get a toady judge to block the Republican pick for a local election panel. Why? Because he is against election fraud.

http://is.gd/azv1eb

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:01 AM (53z96)

15 The war against Walmart continues with ABC joining the fray now being a toady for the unions.

http://is.gd/HjESOV

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:01 AM (53z96)

16 SC Republicans are trying to have the convention nominate the candidate in Graham’s upcoming primary fight to make it easier to get rid of him. The Party is fighting that. At the same time a bill is working its way through the legislature to make virtually impossible to do that. That bill would likely fail in a court test. The “open primary” thing only passes muster because the State provides support for the primaries. And the Dems favor Graham in the Senate and will cross over in primaries to vote for him. They have actually said he is their favorite candidate. In his last election the State Dem Party did not even nominate an opponent. I had thought that Graham’s support from Party bosses would be on the wane since the Haley faction was now in control, but that does not appear to be the case. Of course this is a Dem PR rag so I don’t know how much of this you can believe.

http://is.gd/citrY1

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:02 AM (53z96)

17 Remember the 2009 Peanut Butter case that launched yet another stupid and costly regulation which also will not be enforced. Well the executives of the company have finally been indicted. Regulations only punish honest people.

http://is.gd/GqzS7Y

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:02 AM (53z96)

18 WaPo says sequester may force congress to fly commercial. I say why aren’t they doing that anyway?

http://is.gd/wzZtsf

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:02 AM (53z96)

19 Obama crony health insurer in NY gets $340M loan from government. Also has the worst record in the State.

http://is.gd/ge2xhi

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:02 AM (53z96)

20 That Danica Patrick sure has a vagina.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 23, 2013 08:03 AM (celt+)

21 Obama says will have to shut down airports. LOL, the FAA’s budget for “consultants” is larger than all of the sequester.

http://is.gd/6nP5Me

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:03 AM (53z96)

22 Gregg Re at The Daily Caller on Gary Marbut's Montana gun lobby legislation:

"The suggestion that the Tenth Amendment invalidates the whole of the
Supremacy Clause has never been upheld by any federal court, much less
the Supreme Court. Laws have been upheld and overturned on Supremacy
Clause grounds — including ones that enable federal law enforcement to
effect arrests within state boundaries — for generations, despite cries
from certain conservatives that the federal government should be able
only to maintain an army and a postal service."

http://tinyurl.com/au257cp

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 23, 2013 08:03 AM (MhA4j)

23 Recall how the NLRB thumbed its nose at the court ruling (typical Obama). Well the court has ordered them to provide justification. They should have ruled that everything the board does is illegal.

http://is.gd/j4ohGq

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:03 AM (53z96)

24 As expected, the MFM still kisses Obama’s ass and all that outrage over “lack of access” was just a smokescreen.

http://is.gd/jETk6l

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:03 AM (53z96)

25 IBD takes on Argo revisionism. Now here is a movie begging for an Ace review.

http://is.gd/lhhoOp

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:04 AM (53z96)

26 Kindle Daily Deals

http://is.gd/72hyqy

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:04 AM (53z96)

27 OK, back to the cute

http://is.gd/HZUzcH


And that’s it for Saturday, February 23, 2013.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:04 AM (53z96)

28 Fruity, oatey bars.....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:05 AM (LRFds)

29 oh and Andy...

"I'm not in a coma I'm saving the planet you guys!"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:05 AM (LRFds)

30 Dammit Vic, I wasn't going to start drinking today until after breakfast.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking beer at February 23, 2013 08:05 AM (hO8IJ)

31 Test

Posted by: TheThinMan at February 23, 2013 08:06 AM (PezJM)

32 6. Judge strikes permit validity basing decision completely on personal prejudice. It's for the children, y'no.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 23, 2013 08:06 AM (MhA4j)

33 More global warming on the way here in the NE, and I'll be shoveling it all morning tomorrow.


We are getting some of that now. Cold miserable rain with wind. I would rather it snow but it isn't quite cold enough for that.


This has been a miserable February. We have not ran any where near the normal highs and have ran significantly below the normal lows.

Everyone who pushes the fraudulent AGW scam should be jailed AFTER 100 lashes with a 20 ft black snake whip.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:07 AM (53z96)

34 33 Vic,

I'll hogtie 'em you can tune 'em up Vic...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:08 AM (LRFds)

35 PREDICTION:

Next economic numbers will be shitty....unexpectedly.

To blame: Snow.

Posted by: zsasz at February 23, 2013 08:09 AM (MMC8r)

36

DAY 107

1,351 to go (1,426 to Inauguration Day 2017)


Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2013 08:10 AM (IJFIX)

37 Dammit Vic, I wasn't going to start drinking today until after breakfast.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking beer at February 23, 2013 08:05 AM (hO8IJ)

I am waiting for tomorrow when it is supposed to be sunny and warm up briefly.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:10 AM (53z96)

38 http://tinyurl.com/b6jaxpk

Faux News-Mainstreaming the notion that government having a robot airforce is hunky dory....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:11 AM (LRFds)

39 The average daily high for Feb is running over 5° colder than last Feb. Moar of that globull warning BS.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:12 AM (53z96)

40 35 Zsasz,

yeah a lot like AGW the barackeconomy can be ruined by rain, snow, sunshine with no rain etc etc etc

I can't wait for Big Bro' to get all stern looking point at the camera and say "This downturn is YOUR fault comrades YOU should have worked harder for free...uh er a world in need don't be full of greed yo!"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:12 AM (LRFds)

41 Hey, everybody left me hanging out by myself on the remnants of the ONT.

Bright fireball seen over southern CA last night:

http://tinyurl.com/ad43l44

Averaging the magnitude estimates, it appears to have been brighter than the full moon (-13). I tend to doubt the -27 reports, which would make it brighter than the sun. (Remember, the magnitude scale is logarithmic.) I think we can safely say it was "fucking bright".

Posted by: rickl at February 23, 2013 08:12 AM (sdi6R)

42 This has been a miserable February.

Here too. Warm, rainy/migrainey, and not a lick of snow. Depressing as all shit.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking beer at February 23, 2013 08:13 AM (hO8IJ)

43 I haven't heard any guesses about the magnitude of Chelyabinsk, except for some witnesses that said it was brighter than the sun.

It's hard to put a number on something like that, since it only lasted a few seconds and there's nothing to compare it with.

Posted by: rickl at February 23, 2013 08:13 AM (sdi6R)

44 Folks you can expect to see a lot more of these domestic spy drones in the near future.

http://is.gd/COVvtc
Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 07:58 AM (53z96)

Oh well, expect to see more domestic manufacturing of anti aircraft weapons systems.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 08:13 AM (l86i3)

45 Ms Radish,

Don't worry ma'am we ever get with the Chinese for "dial a liver" and the boy gets grown I'll join you in Chablis breakfasts....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:13 AM (LRFds)

46 America’s top 20 most miserable cities; all run by Democrats for a long time.
http://is.gd/iyNEig
Posted by: Vic

Looking at the rankings, I guess Forbes is not a fan of cold weather. Rockford Il, Chicago, Milwaukee, and Lake County Il (really? a whole frikkin county?) are noted for there "brutal" winters. Did someone from the weather channel write this article?
It's called winter, put on a coat and gloves and go outside.

Posted by: Bruce at February 23, 2013 08:15 AM (iPLXL)

47 I saw Argo on the plane coming down. Utterly jaw-dropping that the botched raid that ended at Desert 1 was not even mentioned (only in passing that the Argo project was to be called off because of it) and that the fact that the other hostages were still to be prisoners for another year was totally glossed over.

Oh yeah, Mossadegh was described as a democratically elected and popular leader when he was in fact a whack-a-doodle that was about to hand over the country to the Soviets. While the Shah was not exactly gentle with his opposition, he was a staunch American ally and a friend of (or at least not overtly hostile to) Israel.

Well, whaddya want; Ben Affect is joined at the hip to Matt Demon, who was Howard Zinn's godson.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2013 08:16 AM (IJFIX)

48 http://www.jocoemprise.com/pistols.html

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:16 AM (LRFds)

49 On that conceal carry case:

It seems to me that there is a lot of historical material supporting an originalist argument that it was only open carry that was meant to be protected. However, it seems somewhat meaningful to me that that was in a time where no one would have said a word about someone carrying a firearm. Today, there is a fairly significant preference for concealed carry for several reasons, public unease at the sight of seeing someone else with a firearm among them. However if Denver is going to disallow concealed carry to someone, they must still allow some sort of carry, and that means leaving people with only open carry available to them. Does anyone think public pressure from people unhappy about seeing firearms on hips might push the city to rethink what the courts gave them cover to do?

Posted by: f2000 at February 23, 2013 08:17 AM (abiX9)

50 Seven Days of Fire anyone?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 23, 2013 08:17 AM (U1VhH)

51 On a positive note, I am watching the deep sea fishing boats head out to sea on Herradura Bay here in sunny Costa Rica. Heading up for a few days to Guanacasté. Haven't even started writing yet. Well, there's no business like show business.

More global warming please!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2013 08:18 AM (IJFIX)

52 Well, whaddya want; Ben Affect is joined at the hip to Matt Demon, who was Howard Zinn's godson.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2013 08:16 AM (IJFIX)


That, I did not know.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 08:18 AM (l86i3)

53 On the "spy drones" one wonders if the courts will consider them "extraordinary" effort. Recall a while back when I posted the ruling one peeping toms and picture takes photographing people in the back yards "sunning".


After much legal battles the consensus among the courts has settled out to "if they have to go to extroidinary effort" to spy on people then it is breach of privacy.



These drones are spying on people without a warrant so it would seem to me that if they are considered "extraordinary" effort then evidence would not be permissible.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:18 AM (53z96)

54 47 JJ Sefton,

Why would Bennifer focus for a second on a Carter failure?

When the Sovet Union does something it is "for the comrades" and when do something 1/50th as bad it is "evil."

The game Zinniversers play ain't hard to figure out just hard to swallow...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:18 AM (LRFds)

55 You guys is the Abe Vigoda of memes.

Posted by: toby928© at February 23, 2013 08:19 AM (QupBk)

56 49 F2000,

It is why I am a fan of precedentary analysis in law....

Which sold more the Colt Dragoon, the Colt Walker, the Colt 1860, the Colt Navy, or the 1848 baby Dragoon/Wells Fargo?

The answer is a ringer, but the reality that the pocket pistols were as popular as they were says something about "concealed carry"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:21 AM (LRFds)

57 100 lashes with a 20 ft black snake whip.

You don't have to tell the President twice, you guys!

Posted by: Reggie Love at February 23, 2013 08:22 AM (OevbG)

58 Here's a Name That Party for y'all...

Three political sisters in Pa. convicted of corruption
http://t.co/xUJGRjfmfG

Anyone?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking beer at February 23, 2013 08:22 AM (hO8IJ)

59 >>>Oh well, expect to see more domestic manufacturing of anti aircraft weapons systems.

...is it too early call "THREADWINNER!" ?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 23, 2013 08:22 AM (4Mv1T)

60 http://tinyurl.com/ams4asl


Aee-BS El Lay on "bright lights and fun in the sun"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:23 AM (LRFds)

61 While the Shah was not exactly gentle with his
opposition, he was a staunch American ally and a friend of (or at least
not overtly hostile to) Israel.








Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2013 08:16 AM (IJFIX)


Of all of Adultery of the Heart's numerous fuckups, possibly the worst was him turning his back on The Shah which paved the way for all the fucking horseshit we have now. Iran has a significant percentage of the population that leans to the West and that was shitcanned by that buck-toothed cocksucker's skewed concept of Christian acts that translated into fucking your friends. Even if Dhimmi Earl claimed to like you, there wasn't much upside ie Anwar Sadat.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 23, 2013 08:23 AM (1tS+I)

62 57 Reggie Love,

*salute*

you win the nettertoobz

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:24 AM (LRFds)

63 54 Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:18 AM (LRFds)

My retort to anyone who gives me shit about Mossadegh, Salvador Allende, etc. is "so I suppose you were cool with the Soviets crushing the Hungarians in 56, the Czechs in 68 and Angola in 1980.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2013 08:24 AM (IJFIX)

64 53 Vic,

it'd be a damn shame if there were purpose built high performance RC aircraft made with weapons systems or fratricidal abilities you guys

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:25 AM (LRFds)

65 61 Posted by: Captain Hate at February 23, 2013 08:23 AM (1tS+I)


Pres'nit Sportin' Life's abandonment of the Iranians 3 years ago - when we could have actually toppled the mullahs and had a real shot at something that resembled an actual pro-American government - is just as evil a back-stab.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2013 08:26 AM (IJFIX)

66 Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:21 AM (LRFds)


Fair point. But I think it was seen as sort of unseemly, except maybe for gentlemen and ladies of a certain class that shouldn't be seen engaging in such base activities as admitting that society wasn't quite as nice as the closed circles of betters would like to publicly pretend.

Posted by: f2000 at February 23, 2013 08:26 AM (abiX9)

67 36 degrees, rainy, windy in central NC. I consider this the worst weather possible. And we have had a LOT of this crap this winter! My moods sucks. I want more doom to go along with it.

Posted by: jj at February 23, 2013 08:26 AM (gWO5X)

68 it'd be a damn shame if there were purpose built high performance RC aircraft made with weapons systems or fratricidal abilities you guys
Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:25 AM (LRFds)


Isn'tb there a place called hobby world or somethin, hmm.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 08:27 AM (l86i3)

69 50 Ms Puma,

Seven Days of Fire, I see you've been to Sancho's Burrito and Calienete Pub and Taquerías

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:27 AM (LRFds)

70

This has been a miserable February. We have not ran any where near the normal highs and have ran significantly below the normal lows.

Or as NASA's Hansen likes to put it....."The most extreme hottest February evar!"

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at February 23, 2013 08:29 AM (eyJh9)

71 Rockford Il, Chicago, Milwaukee, and Lake County Il (really? a whole frikkin county?) are noted for there "brutal" winters.

If you're a pussy. Well, don't know about Rockford because it's inland, but when I lived in Milwaukee, it was consistently 10-15 degrees F warmer in the winters than where my parents lived in western Iowa (which was about 2 degrees latitude south of Milwaukee).

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking beer at February 23, 2013 08:29 AM (hO8IJ)

72 66 F2000,

if the revisionist evangelical history butchers who say the founders hate guns are to be believed then I don't think Derringers, and Pockets would have sold so much...

I'm waiting for the bullshit to get so over the top that some asshole Moonbat claims Sam Colt hates guns...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:30 AM (LRFds)

73 Is this what you mean AP.

In a few short centuries, industrial civilization had spread from the western fringes of eurasia to sprawl across the face of the planet. Plundering the soil of its riches, fouling the air, and remolding lifeforms at will, this gargantuan industrial society had already peaked a thousand years after its foundation: ahead lay abrupt and violent decline. The cities burned, welling up as clouds of poison in the war remembered as The Seven Days of Fire. The complex and sophistocated technological superstructure was lost; almost all the surface of the earth was transformed into a sterile wasteland. Industrial civilization was never rebuilt as mankind lived on through the long twilight years...

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 08:30 AM (l86i3)

74 "Green" means "watermelon": i.e., green on the outside, red on the inside.
Heterosexual white male Americans work less here, and Red China has air pollution from working so much.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 23, 2013 08:32 AM (1V6Pv)

75 All you folks up there around Chicago can have your Winters. I spent a Winter there and vowed I would never go back.


There is a reason I am in SOUTH Carolina. And now it is getting shitty cold here.


Too bad I don't have a son in upstate NY like that friend of my wife's. She goes there in the Summer and comes back here in the Fall after the leaves have turned there.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:32 AM (53z96)

76 68 OSP,

Indeed....

of course the feds will then outlaw RC components while claiming "it is not as though we are spying on you and demand to have total air domination to do it!"

Here's a fun idea....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holman_Projector

You can't stop the signal Mal

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:32 AM (LRFds)

77 If you're a pussy. Well, don't know about Rockford because it's inland, but when I lived in Milwaukee, it was consistently 10-15 degrees F warmer in the winters than where my parents lived in western Iowa (which was about 2 degrees latitude south of Milwaukee).
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking beer at February 23, 2013 08:29 AM (hO8IJ)

They all have things in common, democratic rule, decayed manufacturing base and the rich joyous heritage of an overwhelmingly ethnic population.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 08:34 AM (l86i3)

78 so I'm pondering some more about the Lucy Suarez story....

Lucy Suarez Tea partier MP hero to the masses...

Lucy decided while in WitSec that to atone for her MS-13 window washing past she'd join the army....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:34 AM (LRFds)

79 Howdy fellow 'rons and 'rettes! I'm travelling from DFW to Manhattan today and am curious just how much AGW to expect on the roads from Laguardia to say Penn Station? Are the roads clear or is Bloomy wasting more time on banning things the polloi want?

Posted by: TxDan at February 23, 2013 08:35 AM (bxpf3)

80 Well OSP, the 1st causes the 2nd and the 3rd causes the 1st. That is what is known as a vicious circle.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:35 AM (53z96)

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 23, 2013 08:35 AM (coJww)

82 They all have things in common, democratic rule, decayed manufacturing
base and the rich joyous heritage of an overwhelmingly ethnic
population.


Yeah. But that doesn't affect the weather.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking beer at February 23, 2013 08:35 AM (hO8IJ)

83 Pres'nit Sportin' Life's abandonment of the Iranians
3 years ago - when we could have actually toppled the mullahs and had a
real shot at something that resembled an actual pro-American government
- is just as evil a back-stab.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2013 08:26 AM (IJFIX)


The party of stoopid had a ready made campaign icon in Neda which the ignorant cocksuckers squandered by concentrating more on ignorant domestic slits like Sandra Fluke and Loathsome Dove. But don't worry; Top Men are on it.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 23, 2013 08:35 AM (1tS+I)

84 Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:32 AM (LRFds)


I can see a new run on hobby stores buying up RC parts. Then come the undergroung manufacturing facilities, ID to buy solder and components from radio shack, on and on.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 08:36 AM (l86i3)

85 >>>On this day in 1896 the Tootsie Roll was introduced. It is still one of the best selling candies around today. It is named after Leo Hirschfeld’s daughter.


Who would name their daughter Roll?

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Duster at February 23, 2013 08:37 AM (RLTt1)

86 @35 Pretty much.
If your goal is to stall us out to give Cuba, Venezuela, etc., time to catch up, but you can't let on...
and if you can count on your target audience being wholly ignorant (at best, magically-inclined at worst) of the workings of economic growth...
snow, sunshine, rain, storms, good weather, in short anything that "causes" "climate change" will slow economic growth.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 23, 2013 08:37 AM (1V6Pv)

87 Just got the following email from a friend in CA:

"I used to take my wife and kids to Camp Pendleton to learn
save gun practices. I was just informed that Obama closed access to civilians;
I was quoted “NO MORE RECREATIONAL SHOOTING ON MILITARY BASES”. We’ve been
going there for years, it was encouraged and good PR for the military. In
addition, isn’t it better to put guns in the hands of those who’ve had
training?"Is this another nationwide thing to make us "safer?" Their website makes it look like this is available. www.mccscp.com/shoot

Posted by: AE at February 23, 2013 08:38 AM (HYceo)

88 They all have things in common, democratic rule, decayed manufacturing
base and the rich joyous heritage of an overwhelmingly ethnic
population.

Yeah. But that doesn't affect the weather.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking beer at February 23, 2013 08:35 AM (hO8IJ)


I lived outside Milwaukee for almost 20 years, little place called Wauwatosa. When you have a kick ass job, nice house and friends, the weather aint much of a problem. As a matter of fact, it's something to talk aboutwhen your bellied up to the bar in Pigsville.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 08:38 AM (l86i3)

89 It seems to me that there is a lot of historical material supporting an
originalist argument that it was only open carry that was meant to be
protected.

__

Although open carry would indeed have been normal in the countryside, Madison et al. not only didn't stipulate anything of the sort in the Constitution's Bill of Rights, but if indeed they wanted to carry in high society or anywhere else, had small arms readily available inside their attire for public and dress occasions. Ours wasn't the only civil uprising, and winning our independence did not mark the end of hostilities, as the French revolutionaries made their mark in American civil unrest, and of course the British never quite gave up the ghost (1812) with confiscation/kidnapping against Americans. 18th Century firearms produced or sold were not limited to the musket, known to be most useful in meeting agrarian demands, including wars and call to arms.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 23, 2013 08:38 AM (MhA4j)

90

curious just how much AGW to expect on the roads from Laguardia to say Penn Station?

You should be ok. I'm still in DC, and all I'm seeing right now is a very light drizzle. At most, expect some light rain.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at February 23, 2013 08:38 AM (eyJh9)

91 Posted by: TxDan at February 23, 2013 08:35 AM (bxpf3)


Expect rain, so the road should be clear.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:38 AM (53z96)

92 It is named after Leo Hirschfeld’s daughter.

/...and she's my tootsie wootsie in the good ol' summertime.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 23, 2013 08:39 AM (MhA4j)

93 89 PanzerNashHorn,

another valid line of counterargument....

if what the Federales do now was "intent" then the federales obviosuly were okay with totally unregulated development of firearms and chemistry...

the Feds try to have it both ways in three directions...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:40 AM (LRFds)

94 Ha!

And here I was thinking I was the only one in NE.....

Salutations, Andy. The fruit loops in Lincoln say hi as well.

Posted by: Xenophon at February 23, 2013 08:42 AM (JNMaY)

95 Thanks Sticky Wicket and Vic!

Posted by: TxDan at February 23, 2013 08:43 AM (bxpf3)

96 We don't have to worry about slowing climate change by going to a European style work week. As more and more people lose whatever jobs they had because of the lousy economy or have reduced work weeks because of Obamacare, Gaia will smile. and all the liberals will breathe a collective sign of relief.

Posted by: FewnelonSpoke at February 23, 2013 08:43 AM (PxYrx)

97 94 Xenophon,

Nah plenty of morons stuck in Occupied New England...

Truman North etc etc

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:43 AM (LRFds)

98 The founders intent on the second amendment is obvious to anyone who can read English. There would be no federal laws that restricted personal arms what-so-ever. We operated that way up until the gangsters took over Chicago. So instead of it being a Chicago or IL problem it became a national problem and they started shitting on the 2nd amendment.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:44 AM (53z96)

99 If you're a pussy. Well, don't know about Rockford
because it's inland, but when I lived in Milwaukee, it was consistently
10-15 degrees F warmer in the winters than where my parents lived in
western Iowa (which was about 2 degrees latitude south of Milwaukee).


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking beer

Yeah, I live between Rockford and Chicago. It can be cold in the winter and hot in the summer. Spring is about 14 days of nice weather spread over 2 months. All of a sudden it's SUMMER. It can be hot (I hate hot) Tornadoes come out of nowhere and rearrange your trees, house, electricity with no warning (and no federal help when it does) I do love the Autumns. Other then summer you have 3 different coats by the door because you don't know what today will bring.

As my friend from Germany says. There is no bad weather, just improper clothing.

Posted by: Bruce at February 23, 2013 08:45 AM (iPLXL)

100 #5, if only we had constructed a nuclear waste repository in a geologically stable area far from major population centers.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 23, 2013 08:45 AM (Q9qpj)

101 #5, if only we had constructed a nuclear waste repository in a geologically stable area far from major population centers.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 23, 2013 08:45 AM (Q9qpj)

Mabe deep in some mountain, hmm.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 08:47 AM (l86i3)

102 if only we had constructed a nuclear waste repository in a geologically stable area far from major population centers.

Word. We could have asked the nuclear power producers to kick in a little money every year to pay for it. Another opportunity lost.

Posted by: toby928© at February 23, 2013 08:47 AM (QupBk)

103
Mabe deep in some mountain, hmm.

Nah. That'll never work.

Posted by: Senator Harry "kiddy diddler" Reid at February 23, 2013 08:48 AM (eyJh9)

104 The problems at Hanford and Oakridge didn't occur because of a lack of repository. They occurred because the government was operating in total secrecy and due to the "war rush" they simply discarded shit left and right in a totally reckless manner.


And we are not talking about low level stuff like contaminated gloves etc. We are talking about high level hot stuff.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:49 AM (53z96)

105 15
The war against Walmart continues with ABC joining the fray now being a toady for the unions.

http://is.gd/HjESOV

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:01 AM (53z96)
Love the picture of the fat-arse Union goons. We recently fired two associates for stealing-one took us for over $2,000.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 23, 2013 08:49 AM (Q9qpj)

106 85 >>>On this day in 1896 the Tootsie Roll was introduced. It is still one of the best selling candies around today. It is named after Leo Hirschfeld’s daughter.


Who would name their daughter Roll?
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Duster at February 23, 2013 08:37 AM (RLTt1)


Esther Rolle.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 23, 2013 08:49 AM (IJFIX)

107 I've been suspecting the post I made on the ONT a couple nights ago might have started this whole you guys thing.

http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=337714#c20230200

Ans I quote the rum soaked post below:
504 So how about you guys? Whats the best credit to your cards? Since its slow. :-)
Posted by: Whatev at February 21, 2013 02:21 AM (A7Wh1)

Posted by: Whatev at February 23, 2013 08:50 AM (A7Wh1)

108 They all have things in common, democratic rule,
decayed manufacturing base and the rich joyous heritage of an
overwhelmingly ethnic population.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet

Part of the problem with the overwhelmingly ethnic population is, it causes the libtards to move farther out into the burbs because they don't want to actually live with those people. They love them some ethnic diversity, but not right next door to them. They then bring their libtard ways, and so it goes.

Posted by: Bruce at February 23, 2013 08:50 AM (iPLXL)

109 Time to go clean up. bbl

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 08:51 AM (53z96)

110 104 Vic,

Yup....Wright-Patt built base housing on top of a NBC dump....

they wound up having to shave down hills and top them to the point they looked like Jiffy Pop Popcorn....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:51 AM (LRFds)

111 Mitch Fucking McConnell. Daily Caller reporting that this corrupt insider is in the Tea Party's crosshairs and that it is on for 2014. Cocktail circuit insiders like McConnell are the real obstacles to change in the GOP. He needs to go and soon. We need bare knuckle fighters not fading weak old men. "If you can't beat em in the alley, you can't won't beat them on the ice." Conn Smythe

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 23, 2013 08:51 AM (P3dtw)

112 93 sven

I noticed the Left's mutated position on constitutional validity arguments with Obama's re-election campaign. Previously, they had used Wilson's "outmoded" spearhead for invalidation citing constitutional inconvenience -- those pesky bill of rights, the inefficiency of separated powers, the "need" for authoritarianism, etc. But for the past year, they've taken ignorant revisionism and juxtaposed illogical propaganda atop the Urtext as if proving "intent" of authors and those who voted, against all those who have proven the functionality of US Constitutional Governance.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 23, 2013 08:53 AM (MhA4j)

113 sven,

Shit. I thought he meant nebraska.

So I am alone.

Shit. Fine. The dog and I will get drunk, then. I just bought a chess set made of shot glasses. We'll see who makes it to the Sicilian defense, and who doesn't.

Posted by: Xenophon at February 23, 2013 08:54 AM (JNMaY)

114 @58 Name that party? The three sisters are Republican.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 23, 2013 08:55 AM (Q9qpj)

115 Part of the problem with the overwhelmingly ethnic population is, it causes the libtards to move farther out into the burbs because they don't want to actually live with those people. They love them some ethnic diversity, but not right next door to them. They then bring their libtard ways, and so it goes.
Posted by: Bruce at February 23, 2013 08:50 AM (iPLXL)


Agreed, Whats worse is when they move to a new state for lower taxes,and less bullshit only to be pissed cause they have to pay for their own garbage collection or take it a mile or so to the local collection point.

When I lived in Wi I had a 1300 Sq Ft Ranch, $3300 a year in taxes. Where I live now? 2000 square feet for $1200 a year in taxes.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 08:55 AM (l86i3)

116 Soylent Green is people!111eleventy

Posted by: EROWMER at February 23, 2013 08:55 AM (kxlCQ)

117 "The war against Walmart continues with ABC joining the fray now being a toady for the unions."

Is this the same Walmart whose majority stockholders gave so much to The Zero's campaign?

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at February 23, 2013 08:56 AM (pasyP)

118 112 PanzerNashHor,

yeah...I can't get too animated about it I guess...seems Uncle Jan Neopolitan ice cream feels that lacking a JD means I can't read....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:56 AM (LRFds)

119 deep in some mountain, hmm.

...environmental geology 101: mountains result from geological instability, plates shifting.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 23, 2013 08:57 AM (MhA4j)

120 #116. Tastes like powdered chicken

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 23, 2013 08:57 AM (P3dtw)

121 117 thing from snowy mountain,

yup...it's all Kabuki theater

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:57 AM (LRFds)

122 WaPo says sequester may force congress to fly commercial. I say why aren’t they doing that anyway?

I think we could all get behind using federal funds to build a catapult.

Posted by: DaveA at February 23, 2013 08:57 AM (6YLIm)

123 79
Howdy fellow 'rons and 'rettes! I'm travelling from DFW to Manhattan
today and am curious just how much AGW to expect on the roads from
Laguardia to say Penn Station? Are the roads clear or is Bloomy wasting
more time on banning things the polloi want?

Posted by: TxDan at February 23, 2013 08:35 AM (bxpf3)


Looks like it's going to be mostly rain. I'm in SW CT and we're only suppose to get rain. The snow will be north and east of us.

Posted by: Tami at February 23, 2013 08:57 AM (X6akg)

124 Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:56 AM (LRFds)

Really, a JD from Harvard is the minimum requirement for an intellectual capability.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 23, 2013 08:58 AM (Cnqmv)

125 sven, the tag's armored nose horn, btw.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 23, 2013 08:58 AM (MhA4j)

126 And on the beautiful NC coast, we have rain, lots and lots of rain. Good pizza eatin, nascar watchin, drinkin day.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 08:59 AM (l86i3)

127 Wow DriveThru RPG has PDFs of old school AD+D modules and some rule books up now...


heh Descent into the Depth of the Earth midgets with roid rage for the winz

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:00 AM (LRFds)

128 Is this the same Walmart whose majority stockholders gave so much to The Zero's campaign?


Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at February 23, 2013 08:56 AM (pasyP)

Again with this bullshit. ONE of Sam's kid is a barking moonbat.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 23, 2013 09:01 AM (Q9qpj)

129 WaPo says sequester may force congress to fly commercial. I say why aren’t they doing that anyway?

I think we could all get behind using federal funds to build a catapult.
Posted by: DaveA at February 23, 2013 08:57 AM (6YLIm)

LOL, maybe we could bring Mr. Whoopee out of retirement, He always helped that Tennessee tuxedo .

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 09:01 AM (l86i3)

130 Agreed, Whats worse is when they move to a new state
for lower taxes,and less bullshit only to be pissed cause they have to
pay for their own garbage collection or take it a mile or so to the
local collection point.



When I lived in Wi I had a 1300 Sq Ft Ranch, $3300 a year in taxes.
Where I live now? 2000 square feet for $1200 a year in taxes.


Posted by: Oldsailors Poet

Some numbnuts moved into this area from the next town over. She wrote a letter to the editor because she can't go to the library for free in the town she left, as our town does not have a library. You can utilize the other library for about 125 bucks a year. Of course she doesn't want to do that because before it was FREEEEEEEEEEEE

Posted by: Bruce at February 23, 2013 09:01 AM (iPLXL)

131 125 Armored Nose Horn,

yeah my poor G-15 is about ready to give up the ghost...and evidently last nights ONT had me zombie posting off the nook in a weird form of sleep walking...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:02 AM (LRFds)

132 Two Saturdays ago, I wrote about our cat, Buck.
minx.cc/?blog=86&post=336713#c20017597
The cat who paid us to take him in.

On Thursday afternoon, Mrs Mindful came home to find Buck had died. He was well-fed, inside, warm, and alert his last days. We've had worse deaths. Just sorry we weren't here for him when he died. He was just old. Already adult when he picked us up, in the fall of 1999.

He was one cool long-tailed yellow tomcat.

That's it 4 me 2day. Stuff to do. Like dig a grave in the tundra.

Posted by: a mindful webworker at February 23, 2013 09:02 AM (p74mI)

133 122
I think we could all get behind using federal funds to build a catapult.
Posted by: DaveA at February 23, 2013 08:57 AM (6YLIm)


I vote for a trebuchet.

Posted by: rickl at February 23, 2013 09:03 AM (sdi6R)

134 That's it 4 me 2day. Stuff to do. Like dig a grave in the tundra.
Posted by: a mindful webworker at February 23, 2013 09:02 AM (p74mI)

I'm sorry. Sometimes the death of an animal is as bad as the death of a person. Shitty to say maybe, but it's true.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 09:04 AM (l86i3)

135 I vote for a trebuchet.

Posted by: rickl at February 23, 2013 09:03 AM (sdi6R)
Urban's bombard.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 23, 2013 09:05 AM (Q9qpj)

136 128 ABM,

the evil W is on board with Obarkanomics....

they also "greened" up because of the heat they took in '06-'08

I have reduced my shopping there to the bone.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:06 AM (LRFds)

137 WaPo says sequester may force congress to fly commercial. I say why aren’t they doing that anyway?


--they want to feign 18th Century authenticity, limit congressional travel to horse or sail ship, and no traveling away from Congress during session.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 23, 2013 09:06 AM (MhA4j)

138 This "You Guys" meme is like Beavis & Butthead without all the corpraphagia, but funnier.

Posted by: My Sharia Moor at February 23, 2013 09:07 AM (liORJ)

139 Good Morning. It's raining here in Georgia. I am beginning day two of household repairs with Himself. The heatingair guy is here to repace ductwork under the house that was chewed by a Rodent Of Unsual Size. Good thing is that Himself won't be working as hard as he did yesterday with the water heater, because he had already spent some time crawling under the house in search of the ROUS, and knew that thiswas a job better left to a professional. I love him dearly and do not want him to have a massive coronary to save a few bucks.

Posted by: ALH at February 23, 2013 09:07 AM (eqV3Q)

140 132

My condolences, mindful.

Posted by: rickl at February 23, 2013 09:09 AM (sdi6R)

141 It's time for a RINO Revolution!

Posted by: Kathleen Parker at February 23, 2013 09:09 AM (Q9qpj)

142 I'm sorry. My last comment was stupid as fuck.

So much for the Great Wake and Bake Experiment of 2013

Posted by: My Sharia Moor at February 23, 2013 09:09 AM (liORJ)

143 139 ALH,

cranking up the activity all at once can be hard on a ticker...

I'd suggest an M2A1 bar-b-q lighter for the ROUS....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:09 AM (LRFds)

144 Want to reduce the effects of global warming? Stop working so hard.
FUNEMPLOYMENT

Posted by: Darby Shaw at February 23, 2013 09:10 AM (e8kgV)

145 132 a mindful webworker,

You did what you could, and if you gave an old cat comfort it was appreciative....

of course "appreciative" in old Cat often looks like...

"if I ever get this back back in shape and you get weak I'll eat you" but..."yeah"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:10 AM (LRFds)

146 @136 Walmart may have greened up from 2006-2008, but lately they've mostly just blown that shit off, and it was mostly in California stores anyways, which I view as a foreign subsidiary. Hell, we need to use bribes in places like Mexico, and this green bs is just a different kind of bribe.

Posted by: Kathleen Parker at February 23, 2013 09:11 AM (Q9qpj)

147 146 @136 Walmart may have greened up from 2006-2008, but lately they've mostly just blown that shit off, and it was mostly in California stores anyways, which I view as a foreign subsidiary. Hell, we need to use bribes in places like Mexico, and this green bs is just a different kind of bribe.
Posted by: Kathleen Parker at February 23, 2013 09:11 AM (Q9qpj)


Don't you hate it when you forget to remove your sock.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 09:12 AM (l86i3)

148 thanks, OSP. Yes, they are "only animals," but also unique and dear friends, with whom we share life and home.

Posted by: a mindful webworker at February 23, 2013 09:13 AM (yFFC0)

149 147 OSP,

Ka Pa ain't no sock...she's a moon(face)

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:13 AM (LRFds)

150 149 147 OSP,

Ka Pa ain't no sock...she's a moon(face)
Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:13 AM (LRFds)


A what?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 09:14 AM (l86i3)

151 Drudge is just full of good news. Not.

He should just spoof himself and put up a page of opposites to what is the truth. He's just the bringer of depressing truthful news now.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 23, 2013 09:14 AM (/b8+5)

152 He should just spoof himself and put up a page of opposites to what is the truth. He's just the bringer of depressing truthful news now.
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 23, 2013 09:14 AM (/b8+5)

He's clearly been taking lessons from Vic.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 09:15 AM (l86i3)

153 Those Hanford tanks have been leaking for a long time not exactly why it is news now.

And when they built the place it was far from population centers. And it is geologically stable.

Whenever someone tries to scare with old news I look for an agenda.

Posted by: blaster at February 23, 2013 09:15 AM (/1U3u)

154 Now I don't know who God loves the most
And I don't speak for the Holy Ghost
He may vacation on the coast
You see
But when He goes home
Spiritually
God's midwestern

Posted by: teej at February 23, 2013 09:15 AM (IyoLR)

155 146 Ka Pa,

I've seen "green" barns in SC, IN, and GA...

I get their trying to buy off the moonbats to a point, where the Evil W lost me was BarryCare and their lobbying games on a microlevel.

"You broke my heart fredo, and then after you broke it on Barrycare you backed Donks over GOP in 2010..."

//Svenny Coleone you guys

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:15 AM (LRFds)

156 Morning all. Please stop yelling...

The 6 inches of snow we got here yesterday puts us over 45 for the season. Ms Radish, I would gladly send you a bunch if I could. We are in severe "space management" mode for our piles of the white stuff.

Posted by: Muad'dib - Shoveler of Snow at February 23, 2013 09:16 AM (SCTXH)

157 God's midwestern
Posted by: teej at February 23, 2013 09:15 AM (IyoLR)

Agreed.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 09:16 AM (l86i3)

158 152 OSP,

Well Vic took his lessons directly from Johnny Gutenberg so his work is solid.....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:17 AM (LRFds)

159 As Bill Gates can attest, once your business gets to a certain size in this country, it is almost inevitable that you must become a whore.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 23, 2013 09:17 AM (Q9qpj)

160 Drones are the New Clay Pigeons for the Biden Shotgun Club..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 23, 2013 09:19 AM (x59Gv)

161 When I lived in Wi I had a 1300 Sq Ft Ranch, $3300 a
year in taxes. Where I live now? 2000 square feet for $1200 a year in
taxes.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy
Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 08:55 AM (l86i3)

But they are trying to catch up fast here. When I first bought my house here in 1981 the taxes were $200/year in the county. Now they are over $1000/year. Admittedly I have added on to the house but not that much. It is still only just short of 1600 sq ft. And I am assessed at only $69K so I can not bitch about it.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 09:19 AM (53z96)

162 158 152 OSP,

Well Vic took his lessons directly from Johnny Gutenberg so his work is solid.....
Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:17 AM (LRFds)


I have to Bing Johnny Gutenburg, BRB.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 09:19 AM (l86i3)

163 159 ABM,

part of the beginning of the end of my adulation for the GOP was their joining the donks in pin the tail on the MS jackass...

the GOP may be ours, but they're our whores not our wives or girlfriends and they definitely are whores.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:19 AM (LRFds)

164 162 OSP,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Gutenberg

Johannes and Vic were on a familiar basis...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:20 AM (LRFds)

165 Mitch Fucking McConnell. Daily Caller reporting
that this corrupt insider is in the Tea Party's crosshairs and that it
is on for 2014. Cocktail circuit insiders like McConnell are the real
obstacles to change in the GOP. He needs to go and soon. We need bare
knuckle fighters not fading weak old men. "If you can't beat em in the
alley, you can't won't beat them on the ice." Conn Smythe

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 23, 2013 08:51 AM (P3dtw)


I'm one of the few morons that doesn't hold McConnell in complete contempt. Imo he does more in a minority position than that orange boozed up emotional disaster, Boehner, does while running the shit show in the House. Plus McConnell has to put up with cocksuckers like McRINO, Dame Lindsey and other quisling Repukes just dying to stab their fellow party members in the back.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 23, 2013 09:20 AM (1tS+I)

166
Well Vic took his lessons directly from Johnny Gutenberg so his work is solid.....
Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:17 AM (LRFds)


I have to Bing Johnny Gutenburg, BRB.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 09:19 AM (l86i3)


OK, I get it, that's funny.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 09:20 AM (l86i3)

167 Thanks, rickl.

Sven, he had spent some cold winters outside when he wouldn't use the litter box, and I was glad this winter somehow he'd learned to control it and could stay inside. He had it good in his last year. Had even been lively like a 2nd kittenhood; seen that before in soon-to-die critters, and people. Good kitty.

Gotta go. Srsly u gz.

Posted by: a mindful webworker at February 23, 2013 09:21 AM (1zmtP)

168 160 Clemenza,

Yeah I'm thinking garage tinkering for EMP shockwave munitions is a new freedom work...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:21 AM (LRFds)

169 Reading a friend's friends bitching on Facebook about furloughs (he, and they, are air traffic controllers).

a) Why should they be immune to the same job uncertainty that the private sector faces?

b) They never think for a minute about being manipulated-- like the 'teachers, police, and firefighters' tactic, their jobs are targeted to annoy and irritate both them and the public into being against dealing with fiscal problems. Rather than deal with actual waste or excess in overall spending, it's about making ANY CUT WHATSOEVER irritate as many people as possible to protect spending, especially programs that guarantee perpetual expenditures. And they all fall in line rather than get mad at the politicians who make sure the cuts work to their advantage, not any one else's.

Posted by: zsasz at February 23, 2013 09:22 AM (MMC8r)

170 I'm one of the few morons that doesn't hold McConnell in complete contempt. Imo he does more in a minority position than that orange boozed up emotional disaster, Boehner, does while running the shit show in the House. Plus McConnell has to put up with cocksuckers like McRINO, Dame Lindsey and other quisling Repukes just dying to stab their fellow party members in the back.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 23, 2013 09:20 AM (1tS+I)

Meh, it's sort of like comparing Hiltler to Stalin. They are both realativly fucked up and on the wrong side of history.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 09:23 AM (l86i3)

171 166 OSP,

it's the 6 year old history nerd coming out of the 40 year old burnout....

you ever look back and miss your wonder?

When mom was in her cups I'd sometimes stay up under the blankets with a flashlight reading until ~2Am....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:23 AM (LRFds)

172 @ 168 I am thinking 7mm Mag with some V - optics and some hand loads...

Posted by: Clemenza at February 23, 2013 09:23 AM (x59Gv)

173 Those Hanford tanks have been leaking for a long time not exactly why it is news now.


Its news now because they were supposed to be cleaning it up years ago and finished by now. It appears that they have spent a shit-ton of money and accomplished nothing.


And congress is "investigating" which means nothing else will be done for a while. As I said, if this was a civilian plant people would be in jail.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 09:24 AM (53z96)

174 Yeah I'm thinking garage tinkering for EMP shockwave munitions is a new freedom work...


Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:21 AM (LRFds)

I have been playing around with some ideas for building a Faraday cage around my backup generator with the idea to shield it from EMP. Main problem: how the heck do I test it?

Posted by: Muad'dib - Shoveler of Snow at February 23, 2013 09:24 AM (SCTXH)

175 169 Szasz,

It'd be horrible if say you were to use a chart and point out the price of Barry and Worf's Vacacaycays you guys.....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:24 AM (LRFds)

176 Regarding the sequestration: Isn't it true that there are no cuts in actual spending but only the rate of future increases?

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 23, 2013 09:24 AM (1tS+I)

177 you ever look back and miss your wonder?

When mom was in her cups I'd sometimes stay up under the blankets with a flashlight reading until ~2Am....
Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:23 AM (LRFds)

That's the difference betwixed you and me. When I was young I never had any wonder, my dad wouldn't allow it. I have it now.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 09:25 AM (l86i3)

178 174 Muadib,

Well test it against an emp spike?

I'll get to work researching it...I've been interested in faraday cages since the '80s and given the American people's refusal to stop bad actors from getting nukes my interst is renewed...

BRB

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:25 AM (LRFds)

179 Andy and I are practically neighbors. It's 39 degrees, but the sky sure looks like snow.

Posted by: Truman North poops on cute at February 23, 2013 09:25 AM (I2LwF)

180 @ 174 the iRANIANS ARE AnXIOUS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPLY THE US a demo...

Posted by: Clemenza at February 23, 2013 09:26 AM (x59Gv)

181 177 OSP,

Heh...mom kind of forced it as a survival mode...moving from grandpa's to mom's was a definite definite shock.

I'm sincere in healthy envy for your wonder at your age...

I'm trying, really trying to get my head back on straight about 'hope"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:27 AM (LRFds)

182 That WaPo Woodward in the article cracks me up. they just couldn't help it. Just couldn't fucking STAND that The King and his Merry Band of Dissemblers had been caught, so they had to toss in this parenthetical comment completely unrelated to the story:


"(The Republicans are by no means blameless and have had their own episodes of denial and bald-faced message management.)"


How is this credible journalism?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 23, 2013 09:28 AM (yCvxi)

183 176 Regarding the sequestration: Isn't it true that there are no cuts in actual spending but only the rate of future increases?
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 23, 2013 09:24 AM (1tS+I)



True. FY 2013 budget with sequester cuts is still bigger than FY 2012.

We need to go to zero base budgeting and individual budget bills for each department. Make them justify any spending, not just new spending.

Well. Fat chance, but it's what we need.

Posted by: Truman North poops on cute at February 23, 2013 09:28 AM (d1a7j)

184 Speaking of Walmart, bought the "bag" of cereal last week. Its a 1 foot wide by 2 feet high bag. Of cereal. Going back today for another bag of cereal.

Posted by: Whatev at February 23, 2013 09:29 AM (A7Wh1)

185 Vic @ 173
Regarding the Hanford Reservation

The company I work for and especially the previous company I worked for was involved (peripherally) with Hanford. The whole remediation program there is a giant clusterfuck. Literally BILLIONS have been spent and really not much accomplished. It has been a real iron rice bowl for some consultants and contractors, as things have been built, money spent, etc.

But the same problems with leaking storage tanks persist because very little has actually been done.
The same problems exist (to varying degrees ) at Oak Ridge, Savannah River, Piketon, etc. because it seems the government just cannot grasp a solution and move with it.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at February 23, 2013 09:30 AM (Md8Uo)

186 Muadib,

http://youtu.be/w_h2zTUOq5E

the 'easy"(but I fear less than accurate) way is the cellphone test

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:30 AM (LRFds)

187 183 Truman North,

Amen....amen

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:31 AM (LRFds)

188
If you've taken any environmental "science" courses you'll notice that all the textbooks explain (with the help of colorful graphs) that all the trouble began in 1750.

Which of course is the beginning of the industrial revolution.

Which of course marks the beginning of White Western imperialism and hegemony.

That's what students are being taught today.

Posted by: soothie, now with exfoliating beads at February 23, 2013 09:31 AM (hA+ft)

189 I'm trying, really trying to get my head back on straight about 'hope"
Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:27 AM (LRFds)

At first I had only intrest in the fight. Then that has began to ebb into a survival mode. You can't keep the same intensity for both. Takes too much energy, so now they are shared.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 09:32 AM (l86i3)

190 It's a great tune OSP
Inspired, as are many of my bud's tunes, by a true story.
He an his wife at a fancy dinner party in LA. An older woman sitting across from them, who talked like Thurston Howell III, asked Gary where they were from.
"Well thank you for asking ma'am, we're from Valley Falls Kansas."
Her reply; "Kansas,,,,how hideous."
So Gary being Gary came home and wrote a song.
If they record it I hope it's on a live cd so he can tell the back story, like he does on their first live cd.
I'll put their site in my nic in case anyone wants to give a listen. I think there are 3 free downloads and the rest can be I-tuned.
And the small venue show last night was killer. SRO with 40 to 50 people standing and listening for the whole show. If you weren't there 2 hours early, you didn't get a seat.

Posted by: teej at February 23, 2013 09:33 AM (Op+RR)

191 Must Get ronnies hot cakes for my girls, BRB.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 09:33 AM (l86i3)

192 The same problems exist (to varying degrees ) at Oak
Ridge, Savannah River, Piketon, etc. because it seems the government
just cannot grasp a solution and move with it.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at February 23, 2013 09:30 AM (Md8Uo)

Yeah, I said I was familiar with Oak Ridge and it was awful. I don't think Savannah River has the degree of problems that the others have. Don't know anything about Piketon.
Their biggest problem is they excepted themselves from 10CFR20 for so many years. I think they are bound to it now but the legacy still has to be fixed and that simply is not happening.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 09:34 AM (53z96)

193 Surviving EMP,

http://youtu.be/ksp5_oOJAW4

the main thing is finding hard data of the amplitude that a likely EMP burst generator would be at....


EMP generation and you

http://youtu.be/rbu2o1zVvlo

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:35 AM (LRFds)

194 I don't exactly know what a Faraday Cage is, I generally encounter the term in fiction about time travel or dimension shuffling, it seems. But I'm not totally dumb, I know what a Van De Graaff generator is, did a project in high school. The world's largest (at least in the Eighties) is used to put on shows at the Boston Museum of Science.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 23, 2013 09:35 AM (ZshNr)

195 A Faraday Cage is an enclosure made of conducting metal such as copper. The cage is grounded such that any RF impacting the cage is transmitted to ground and does not make it out or in the cage.You place yourself or components in it.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 09:38 AM (53z96)

196 195

Faraday cage is basically a grounded box to keep electrical charges away from whatever's inside.

Posted by: zsasz at February 23, 2013 09:38 AM (MMC8r)

197 going to dodger/whitesox game today.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl spring training is here!!!!! at February 23, 2013 09:38 AM (GVxQo)

198 Sorry, Vic, that should have been to 194.

Posted by: zsasz at February 23, 2013 09:39 AM (MMC8r)

199 Thank you. And that's one to grow on...

Posted by: lincolntf at February 23, 2013 09:39 AM (ZshNr)

200 Soothie, that is when anthropogenic continental drift started.

Taking all the minerals out of the earth loosened up the tectonic plates. It's a well-known fact among scientists that North America was right off the Azores in 1750. The loosening of the tectonic plates due to the removal of fossil fuels has accelerated natural processes, resulting in the vast distances between Europe and the US we see today.

And at the rate we are extracting coal, oil and natural gas, the North American continent will move fast and faster, causing Guam to capsize in 2020 and smashing into China sometime around black history month, 2032.

If we don't halt the production of energy now, climate change will be the least of our worries. It will literally be the end of the world as we know it, as the continents pulverize each other, killing off the delta smelts, polar bears, and even all the kittens and puppies.

Posted by: Truman North poops on cute at February 23, 2013 09:39 AM (I2LwF)

201 Psalm 105:4
New International Version (NIV)
4 Look to the Lord and his strength;
seek his face always.

Some encouragement for today. Does that mean you're heart is not towards the Lord if you're not continually looking towards him. No, it's not legalistic. It's just that as you look towards Jesus, praise him everyday, seek his face in Scriptures and quiet time and pray everyday he becomes our habitation-Psalm 71, our rock and fortress so that we will not be shaken-Psam 16:8. Scripture says that in this world we will have trouble. (Isn't that the truth?!!) but Christ has overcome the world.
I won't make a habit of sharing that everyday cause I know some folks here are not into that. :^)

I just know I get depressed if I spend too much time looking at the world around me and not at Jesus.

Posted by: FewnelonSpoke at February 23, 2013 09:39 AM (PxYrx)

202 194 LincolnTF,

it is a wave pulse insulation construct....

you have to layer in all likelihood and it is probably rather possible in a modern setting to render an entire room a cage if you are a DIY builder...

I've posted in my darker moods a lot of data about Nuke War Survival theory...

the good news is I have less fear of a general "exchange" now than at any point in my life...the bad news is...

1) by "exchange" I mean both sides firing...I just don't think Bark would retaliate against China or Ivan

2) I am also more fearful of a 2AM sunny day 'somewhere" in the US than ever before as an isolated event....

you guys decide you want me to do a doc dump on Nuke data I'll be happy to comply

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:39 AM (LRFds)

203 A lot of modern buildings are built such that the building with all the re-bar in it acts as a Faraday Cage. This is why you can not pick up radio reception in most of those buildings without placing the antenna outside or in a window.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 09:40 AM (53z96)

204 195 Vic,

and again you get the point across far more cogently and quicker Vic *salute*


Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:40 AM (LRFds)

205 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

Posted by: toby928© at February 23, 2013 09:41 AM (QupBk)

206 Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:30 AM (LRFds)

Thanks Sven. A nuclear weapon generated EMP may have field strengths of 100,000 V/m and very fast rise times of maybe under 1 nano sec. Thats what I can't test here at home. The general ideas this guy is talking about are still valid though.

Posted by: Muad'dib - Shoveler of Snow at February 23, 2013 09:41 AM (SCTXH)

207 AE @ 87-
I took Mrs. E to Barksdale AFB yesterday to get her a replacement ID card. I don't know if Barksdale has an indoor pistol range or even a rifle range. But, their Exchange sporting goods section has more handguns than a lot of firearms dealers here in East Texas. Mrs. E asked me on the way home if I had bought any ammo. Nope. Like a dumbass, I was trying on combat boots in the uniform shop.

Posted by: EROWMER at February 23, 2013 09:41 AM (kxlCQ)

208 203 Vic,

correct if you added Mylar to the insulation phase of a steel building and made sure there was a good ground you'll be Pulse hardened if not protected.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:41 AM (LRFds)

209 If you really want to shut up global warmists,, agree with them that it's getting hotter, that we are in danger of bursting into flames......

Just as prophesy has told.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 23, 2013 09:42 AM (piMMO)

210 I think fears of EMP are vastly overstated.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 09:43 AM (53z96)

211 Is faith is God "reasonable"? Yes. A fine debate if you have the time:

http://tinyurl.com/9wq8457

Have a great day everyone.

Posted by: FewnelonSpoke at February 23, 2013 09:44 AM (PxYrx)

212 210 Vic,

I think one second after is over the top but in a healthy way since we totally forgot about the need for shielding post 86

I also think it is not 'too over the top" for a general exchange scenario if the opfor went about 15% or so in targeted HAWB detonations to try to skip/pulse blanket wave the continent....

of course the Soviets allegedly theorized it'd take a 20% use

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:44 AM (LRFds)

213 The one in the Boston museum of science is still the biggest in the world. Since charge density is inversely proportional to surface area, making them big is not ideal for many applications.

And those things are BIG... Like 50 feet tall and thirty feet circumference on the spheres or something.

Posted by: Truman North poops on cute at February 23, 2013 09:45 AM (I2LwF)

214 213 Trunorth,

Yup....if money were no object I'd get really friendly as a 'young physics student" with the Museums of Nat History etc etc

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:46 AM (LRFds)

215
It's a well-known fact among scientists that North America was right off the Azores in 1750.


Shame on us for what we've done to this planet.

Posted by: soothie, now with exfoliating beads at February 23, 2013 09:47 AM (KeJAW)

216 Thanks FS and toby.
And you don't need to hesitate on those posts FS.
I've been thinking a Sunday morning, open Bible thread around here would be pretty cool.

Posted by: teej at February 23, 2013 09:49 AM (M79pc)

217 210 I think fears of EMP are vastly overstated.
Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 09:43 AM (53z96)


I've heard that before on the web, from people who seemed to know what they were talking about.

Posted by: rickl at February 23, 2013 09:49 AM (sdi6R)

218 215 soothie,

we must send Goreacle offerings for Chakra renewal and not work four days a week for atonement....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:49 AM (LRFds)

219 Forgive me if someone's posted this, but how is this not criminal? Especially from the Most Transparent Administration EVAH!!


http://tinyurl.com/aoq863e

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 23, 2013 09:49 AM (yCvxi)

220 I have been playing around with some ideas for
building a Faraday cage ...
how the heck do I test it?


Posted by: Muad'dib - Shoveler of Snow at February 23, 2013 09:24 AM

We build these all the time to withstand 1,000,000,000 volts
Get some steel expanded metal like you would use on a BBQ pit and some steel 1.5"X1.5" angle. Lay it out to fit over your item. Cut everything with a side grinder and chop saw, drill some 9/32" holes to fit between the loops in the expanded metal. and bolt it together.
Now here's the trick. Get some copper screen and bolt it to the top and sides.
Attach two heavy copper braided ground straps
Drive two 3/4" copper rods at least SIX FEET into the ground, more if it is rocky soil, and attach them to the ground straps.
That will take care of an EMP attack.
Or you can go about making the ignition easily removable and put it in a Microwave oven that's rated for at least 1000 watts and grounding that.

Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at February 23, 2013 09:49 AM (MhA4j)

221 It's why there's so many Portuguese in southeastern New England. Their fishing boats used to tie up to Plymouth Rock on the weekends so they didn't have to go home to their wives.

I bet some of youse don't even know what a Portuguese is

Posted by: Truman North poops on cute at February 23, 2013 09:50 AM (I2LwF)

222 217 rickl,

Yeah I gave the High Altitude Wave bombardment recipe for a point of reference...

it is "not easy" to generate a huge wave....

BUT you also do not need a huge wave for most malignant applications....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:50 AM (LRFds)

223 I need to reduce the distributed inductance (impedance) to ground. And maybe have all the ground rods sitting in a salt solution, in the ground. That will kill the grass. And I would have to keep refilling/refreshing the solution.

Posted by: Muad'dib - Shoveler of Snow at February 23, 2013 09:50 AM (SCTXH)

224
It will literally be the end of the world as we know it, as the continents pulverize each other...


It will be like BUMPER CARS.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Posted by: soothie, now with exfoliating beads at February 23, 2013 09:51 AM (0nyYS)

225 General comment--it should be clear that the fires of liberty are dying for the moment in America, and have been banked in England. The question is then how to best keep the embers alive till the flames can break out again. Every effort in America will presumably bring an extinguishment attempt, for the Progressives have control of all they need to do so, as they attempt to remake man.

What is needed is a place where practical discussions of liberty will ignite the common spirit, not the extinguisher. But where in the world can such a place be found? What land can be the new asylum for this best spirit of man?

Perhaps the answer lies in lands where they know what tyranny actually was, first hand, and never wish to see its like again, and perhaps that is where the spirit of America, of England will have to be reborn.

In Eastern Europe.

Posted by: No name at February 23, 2013 09:51 AM (UrZxR)

226 220 dept of accuracy dept,

now add in a partially buried steel building with good grounding and a spare mylar layer in the wafer of construction...

yeah you can harden and possibly proof your abode if you remember to do it pretty easy

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:52 AM (LRFds)

227 You midwest morons are suppose to get hit again with another story....Rocky. Don't put your shovels away.



Poor chemjeff....he hates snow.

Posted by: Tami at February 23, 2013 09:53 AM (X6akg)

228 story=storm

Posted by: Tami at February 23, 2013 09:53 AM (X6akg)

229 225 no name,

yup I think so too...

Eastern Europe or Siberia IMHO of course that thought offends a LOT of people....

the harder an area is to live in indexed to abundance of resource base is likely the best cake batter for freedom.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:53 AM (LRFds)

230

Bit if we act now by sending money to Obama, Pelosi, and Algore, we can prevent the destruction of the planet.

They have shown, scientifically, that lining the pockets of Democrats can curb climate change.

Posted by: soothie, now with exfoliating beads at February 23, 2013 09:54 AM (0nyYS)

231 219 Forgive me if someone's posted this, but how is this not criminal? Especially from the Most Transparent Administration EVAH!!

http://tinyurl.com/aoq863e

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 23, 2013 09:49 AM (yCvxi)


I like Bob's comment. My sentiments exactly.

Posted by: rickl at February 23, 2013 09:54 AM (sdi6R)

232 Eastern Europe may be the next America... Some of them seem to have the right ideas.

Posted by: Truman North poops on cute at February 23, 2013 09:54 AM (I2LwF)

233 Its news now because they were supposed to be cleaning it up years ago and finished by now. It appears that they have spent a shit-ton of money and accomplished nothing.


And congress is "investigating" which means nothing else will be done for a while. As I said, if this was a civilian plant people would be in jail.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 09:24 AM (53z96)


Those tanks were leaking 20 years ago when I was there.

Like I said, some agenda is being driven.

The reason why the tanks haven't been fixed is not "technological challenges." It is because the enviros refuse to allow cleanup. Really. They would rather have a problem to complain about than a solution. So they keep suing to stop actions. That Tom Carpenter referenced in the article is a tool that has been at it for decades. He knows the score.

Here is where government abets that activity - note where they say Washington state has a "zero tolerance" policy. Now why can a state impose rules on a Federal facility? Because that is the one part of the law that the Feds let the states rule them. If a state has a tougher environmental law than the Feds, the Feds must follow it.

My thought on the agenda behind the story, since the newsmaker here is the governor of Washington - the state wants more Federal money.


Posted by: blaster at February 23, 2013 09:54 AM (/1U3u)

234
But only if we act now.


Act now, we must.

Posted by: soothie, now with exfoliating beads at February 23, 2013 09:54 AM (hA+ft)

235 Gotta go do some work. Sven and Dept of Accuracy, thanks for enabling my dorky interests. My wife hates you.

Posted by: Muad'dib - Shoveler of Snow at February 23, 2013 09:55 AM (SCTXH)

236 233 blaster,

it is endemic to liberal thought period...

plaintiff's exhibit one 16 trillion in LBJ style war on poverty spending

plaintiff's exhibit two

Detroit

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 09:55 AM (LRFds)

237 Vic @ 192

The problems at all these facilities are different, but the underlying cause is somewhat "the same". The government bid out the management and operation to big firms like Westinghouse, GE, Monsanto, whatever, and they did a lot of things (like ignoring the law), with the end result decades later of the chaos at these sites.
Our hero Senator John Glenn got the government to build and expand the centrifuge facility at Piketon, with the result being a lot the employees there got unusual exposures to uranium, plutonium, etc., because of the sometimes careless way it was operated.
Savannah River has put really large amounts of Tritium in the water and in the ground. They have probably done the same things they did at Hanford, which was to dump hazardous solvents (like CCl4) on the ground and just let the soil soak them up. Thousands of gallons of mildly radioactive solvent (CCl4) were just poured out on the ground at Hanford in the '50's and '60's.

Stupid, just stupid.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at February 23, 2013 09:56 AM (Md8Uo)

238
what? their on to us on the sequester scam?

oh look, a Lance Armstrong squirrel!

Posted by: soothie, now with exfoliating beads at February 23, 2013 10:00 AM (Vhc4u)

239 Why would someone allow large amounts of tritium to "escape"? Isn't that one of the most valuable substances on the planet?

Posted by: teej at February 23, 2013 10:00 AM (EWy0D)

240 How is this credible journalism?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 23, 2013 09:28 AM (yCvxi)


Woodward's entire career has been built on a pile of shit he bought from some alkie cocksucker with a bad attitude regarding Watergate. Half of what Woodward was told was a fabrication except the asswipe was and is too fucking stupid and gullible to verify lots of it. Have you ever seen Bob on some of the Sunday gab shows? He talks like somebody who's had a stroke and just in general sounds like a fucking retard yet everybody buys off on the cockamamie shit as some sort of "gravitas". Fuck everybody that genuflects to that dickbag.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 23, 2013 10:01 AM (1tS+I)

241 Study: Global Warming Can Be Slowed By Working Less

A new analysis suggests that a more 'European' schedule would reduce the effects of climate change
==============
I think we need to apply that mythical government multiplier thing by firing government employees and really get some change.
Right, lefties? If government spending has a multiplier effect to grow the economy it ought to have a multiplier effect in saving the world.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 23, 2013 10:01 AM (VjL9S)

242 TruNorth, it's pretty awesome, isn't it? You sit there while a guy conjures a lightning storm right over your heads.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 23, 2013 10:02 AM (ZshNr)

243 DHS has a nice new line of range targets:

Pregnant women, kids...

http://tinyurl.com/av3hqhj

Posted by: Crashpanic at February 23, 2013 10:05 AM (gAAl2)

244 #240 Yes, Captain Hate, but Robert Redford played him in the movie, so he is cool for an old geezer.

(Miss Marple trying to understand the thinking of the hipsters.)

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 23, 2013 10:05 AM (GoIUi)

245 We're the Planeteers!
You can be one too,
'Cause smoking marijuana is the thing to do!
Working hard and saving,
is not the way
Here's what Captain Planet
Has to say.
"By your slacking combined, I am Captain Planet!"
"Now pass the Cheetos."

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 23, 2013 10:06 AM (PQgoW)

246 68
it'd be a damn shame if there were purpose built high performance RC
aircraft made with weapons systems or fratricidal abilities you guys

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 08:25 AM (LRFds)





Isn'tb there a place called hobby world or somethin, hmm.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy
Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 08:27 AM (l86i3)

Not only that, you can mount em up with a camera and and wear a set of goggles...fpv baby, some can have pretty insane range too.

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:06 AM (FIDMq)

247 MOUNTAIN VIEW (CBS SF) — One of Silicon Valley’s dirty secrets is coming back to haunt Google with toxic vapors.

TCE, or trichloroethylene vapors were detected at the company’s offices in Mountain View.

Google’s buildings QD6, and QD7, which sit on North Whisman road sit on top of what used to be Fairchild Semiconductor, Intel, Raytheon, and other computer chip makers.


... if there are any water fountains around the Google facilities ...
STAY AWAY !!!

MOS Technology, the maker of the CPU for the Commodore 64, had to pump the ground water and shoot it into the air, in what appeared to be a gigantic water fountain, in order to try to get the TCE out of the contaminated ground water at their Betzwood, PA plant.

Posted by: Darby Shaw at February 23, 2013 10:07 AM (e8kgV)

248 "Posted by: Captain Hate at February 23, 2013 10:01 AM (1tS+I)"


I remember my mom teaching me about Watergate.


"Mom, what's the big deal about Watergate?"


Mom, who also taught me about the use of profane language: "Some stupid shits got caught bugging some dumbasses and the President lied about it. As for what the Big Mother Fucking Deal is? I'm still trying to figure that shit out."


And that was my intro to politics.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 23, 2013 10:07 AM (yCvxi)

249 Sorry 'mindful' about the Kitty. Lost our big snarly old himalayan Ernie a few years ago. I used to rough house will him like he was a big old dog and he'd. tried to shred me. Lol. He was so fast! And would hit like a heavyweight. Really thump you. We still have his brother Julio but there is a big empty spot on the couch. Sucks out loud. Best wishes today.

Posted by: Guido at February 23, 2013 10:08 AM (KgD0C)

250 And that was my intro to politics.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 23, 2013 10:07 AM (yCvxi)

Outstanding!!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:09 AM (l86i3)

251
Game of Thrones Season 3 trailer:

http://tinyurl.com/acnef7a

"Death is coming for everyone and everything. The darkness that will swallow the dawn."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 23, 2013 10:10 AM (kdS6q)

252 in other sven "news" that likely no one deeply cares about...

I've decided to heirloom my 1851 Richards-Masons Navy conversions in reverse to my dad....

I figure my boy'll get them back someday and Dad needs told "I love you" because I'm pretty certain I am not going home to Ohio when we settle down again.

I'm gonna switch to .45 LC 1873s and a genry in .45 LC...

I *love* henry rifles.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 10:10 AM (LRFds)

253 I just looked at the MOS website. Looks to me like the guy running the VDG is in a Faraday Cage. YouTube has vds, can't link.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 23, 2013 10:11 AM (ZshNr)

254 Tritium (H3) is produced in the water at all nuclear sites that use borated water and even others that don't to a lesser extent. It can not be filtered out. However, it is not much of a hazard at all.


The real problems at places like Hanford and Oak Ridge are the really high level stuff that was simply buried and forgotten. I had an individual tell me one time that they went to start construction for something at Oak Ridge and when they started excavation they uncovered metal reading 600 Rem/hr and had to quickly cover it back up. 600 R/hr is a lethal dose.


No one even new that crap was down there.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:11 AM (53z96)

255
EROWMER,

Link to Barksdale's range web site:

http://tinyurl.com/amaw2d2

I haven't been yet.

Posted by: Mama AJ, waving from nearby at February 23, 2013 10:11 AM (SUKHu)

256 I have been playing around with some ideas for
building a Faraday cage around my backup generator with the idea to
shield it from EMP. Main problem: how the heck do I test it?


Posted by: Muad'dib - Shoveler of Snow at February 23, 2013 09:24 AM (SCTXH)

Where do you live, so we can watch for the 'local neighborhood loses all electronics' in the news?

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:12 AM (FIDMq)

257 248 burn the witch,

My grandpa caught me saying hell when I was 5ish and lectured me that I could curse as much as I wanted if I could go two minutes without repeating myself but otherwise he'd take my Shepherd/Wolf away for a week so I wouldn't be a "bad influence."

Nice introduction to politics on your end....she captured the essence well.


Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 10:12 AM (LRFds)

258 600 Rem/hr and had to quickly cover it back up. 600 R/hr is a lethal dose.


No one even new that crap was down there.
Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:11 AM (53z96)

Rem or Milli rem?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:12 AM (l86i3)

259 anybody know how to combat these droans? thinking we need a plan.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 23, 2013 10:13 AM (3eWI5)

260 anybody know how to combat these droans? thinking we need a plan.
Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 23, 2013 10:13 AM (3eWI5)

Foul the prop and its goin down.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:14 AM (l86i3)

261
In movie news, Michael "Transformers" Bay has cast Megan Fox to star as April O'Neil in his TMNT movie.

The clean cut and wholesome Miss Fox....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 23, 2013 10:14 AM (kdS6q)

262 Rem or Milli rem?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy
Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:12 AM (l86i3)

Rem; as I said, a lethal dose.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:14 AM (53z96)

263 So the "sequester" is like a gigantic game of "Russian Roulette"
The Congress supplied the gun, but Obama supplied the firing pin.

Posted by: Ultra Man at February 23, 2013 10:14 AM (e8kgV)

264 Rem; as I said, a lethal dose.
Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:14 AM (53z96)

Holy Crap.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:15 AM (l86i3)

265 Who decides what gets 'cut'?

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:15 AM (FIDMq)

266 So the "sequester" is like a gigantic game of "Russian Roulette"
The Congress supplied the gun, but Obama supplied the firing pin.
Posted by: Ultra Man at February 23, 2013 10:14 AM (e8kgV)

No, its not. Cut the budget by 2% then raise it by 6%. It's a FKN bullshit shell game.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:16 AM (l86i3)

267 April O'Neil in his TMNT movie


Is that the April O'Neil of Gust Front by John Ringo? I don't know what TMNT means.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:16 AM (53z96)

268 Jamu the whale drives me crazy. The stupid is strong in that one.

Posted by: Infidel at February 23, 2013 10:16 AM (gqEUi)

269 Who decides what gets 'cut'?


Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:15 AM (FIDMq)

Guess............................


Obama

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:17 AM (53z96)

270 Jamu the whale drives me crazy. The stupid is strong in that one.
Posted by: Infidel at February 23, 2013 10:16 AM (gqEUi)

Ugly, stupid and smug is a bad combination.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:17 AM (l86i3)

271 269
Who decides what gets 'cut'?




Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:15 AM (FIDMq)

Guess............................


Obama


Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:17 AM (53z96)

Then make sure that gets out...post the hell out of it on Faceplant...whatever else you can.

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:18 AM (FIDMq)

272
Is that the April O'Neil of Gust Front by John Ringo? I don't know what TMNT means.
Posted by: Vic




Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 23, 2013 10:19 AM (kdS6q)

273 Then make sure that gets out...post the hell out of it on Faceplant...whatever else you can.


Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:18 AM (FIDMq)

I don't do any of those social media things but I have been repeatedly posting it here. I learned it from a Fox story they did on TV. But I'll lay you dollars to donuts that no other news agency is saying it.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:19 AM (53z96)

274 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 23, 2013 10:19 AM (kdS6q)

Shit, hopes dashed.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:20 AM (53z96)

275 Besides, WTF are they recovered old movie shit for? When are they going to get back to making original movies?

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:21 AM (53z96)

276
I don't do any of those social media things but I have been repeatedly posting it here. I learned it from a Fox story they did on TV. But I'll lay you dollars to donuts that no other news agency is saying it.
Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:19 AM (53z96)

He's going to pull it out of the military. Most won't notice until the Chinese wearing blue helmets are patrolling a neighborhood near you.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:21 AM (l86i3)

277 262 Vic,

Yeah that'd do it too...

http://youtu.be/CGLRrQEBqAs

"severe days"

http://youtu.be/b8e_fhzeI4U

"heroes of chernobyl"

I'll buy the boys a Vodka in the next world....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 10:21 AM (LRFds)

278 I am so tiredof being lied to. I try to keep the drama in my life to a minimum. The TFG admin. seems to thrive on it and the LIV eat it up. I don't know how we get out of this short of some real ugliness.

Posted by: Infidel at February 23, 2013 10:21 AM (gqEUi)

279 The uncontested absurdities of today are the accepted slogans of tomorrow. They come to be accepted by degrees, by precedent, by implication, by erosion, by default, by dint of constant pressure on one side and constant retreat on the other - until the day when they are suddenly declared to be the country's official ideology, you guys. - Ayn Rand

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at February 23, 2013 10:22 AM (Md8Uo)

280 He's going to pull it out of the military. Most
won't notice until the Chinese wearing blue helmets are patrolling a
neighborhood near you.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy
Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:21 AM (l86i3)

Well, half comes from the military and half comes from "discretionary spending". But out of those two large categories he gets to decide which programs and/or people get cut.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:23 AM (53z96)

281 264 OSP,

You remember the other week when I posted about the divers swimming into a 1200 Rem environ as a tandem knowing they had a window of 15 minutes and maybe one mistake each to save Europe?

Yeah....

if I thought of it with the reverence those men should be remembered I'd probably cry for a week....

you know why I hate hollywood and journalists?

When you need a guy with the balls to kill himself to save tend of thousands....

they don't dial up CNN

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 10:24 AM (LRFds)

282 Besides, WTF are they recovered old movie shit for? When are they going to get back to making original movies?
Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:21 AM (53z96)


Vic Vic Vic, that shits hard. It's spensive and takes creativity, education and a willingness to step (God forgive me for using this) outside the well constructed liberal box. Just remake Damnation Ally and blame the conservatives for the destruction.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:24 AM (l86i3)

283 Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 10:21 AM (LRFds)


I have personally met and talked to a group of operators from there.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:24 AM (53z96)

284 He's going to pull it out of the military. Most
won't notice until the Chinese wearing blue helmets are patrolling a
neighborhood near you.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy
Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:21 AM (l86i3)

They will go for the heartstrings, just like during the Clinton debacle...Remember the sleigh driver....then we get no cuts

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:25 AM (FIDMq)

285 they don't dial up CNN
Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 10:24 AM (LRFds)

Or the brave world of Acadamia. Fuckers, all of them.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:25 AM (l86i3)

286 that last clip it was at 6:09....

the two divers....I'll never forget

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 10:27 AM (LRFds)

287 that last clip it was at 6:09....

the two divers....I'll never forget
Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 10:27 AM (LRFds)


Meanwhile, lets unveil another statue of a sports figure.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:29 AM (l86i3)

288 283 Vic,

we ever meet up I'll give you a 50 to buy any you meet again a drink no bullshit...

I may hate those guys' political system at the time, I may not like the rot their people introduced into western civ but I love those men and women because they kept my distant cousins safe from a bad oops...

and to put things in perspective I still believe in nuclear power...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 10:29 AM (LRFds)

289 It is very doubtful that I will ever meet them again. Even if we were not going into another cold war.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 10:31 AM (53z96)

290 man...those vids were some bad shit. The helo driver and bag dumper...I'm surprised that helo got off the ground with balls that big.

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:32 AM (FIDMq)

291 man...those vids were some bad shit. The helo driver and bag dumper...I'm surprised that helo got off the ground with balls that big.
Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:32 AM (FIDMq)


I think all of those people are dead now.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:39 AM (l86i3)

292 290 Red Shirt,

yeah they think he succumbed to rad poisoning and screwed the pooch with the crane....

he's another guy who "hero" doesn't quite do justice to....

all of 'em

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 10:40 AM (LRFds)

293 Colleges now have majors in drone studies. You can come out in less than 2 years and be making 6 figures. I don't see how this thing is stopped.

Posted by: navybrat at February 23, 2013 10:42 AM (ND6O6)

294 I wonder what the radiation level was?...stupid high I'm sure

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:42 AM (FIDMq)

295 Curious, what is loiter speed for a drone?

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:43 AM (FIDMq)

296
Work in 20 minutes. Sorry.

Posted by: Z Ryan at February 23, 2013 10:44 AM (fMK2m)

297 Curious, what is loiter speed for a drone?
Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:43 AM (FIDMq)

Depends on the drone.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:44 AM (l86i3)

298 294 Red Shirt,

they estimated between 1175 and 1300 had they not drained that water it would have risked going steam bomb crit and they don't have our protective domes....

it would have made what did happen look like standing near a microwave oven I think.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 23, 2013 10:44 AM (LRFds)

299
I don't say it (or read it) often enough, thanks for the a.m. links, Vic.

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2013 10:46 AM (SuZH4)

300
>>I don't see how this thing is stopped. <<

Private drones?
Lasers?
Sharks that fly?
Sharks that flywith lasers?

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2013 10:48 AM (SuZH4)

301 I've got no problem with drones. As long as they are aimed at the right people. Besides it'll only be a matter of time before some private citizen uses one against the government in some terroristic act. Then the debate will really begin.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 23, 2013 10:51 AM (n8LUb)

302 301
I've got no problem with drones. As long as they are aimed at the right
people. Besides it'll only be a matter of time before some private
citizen uses one against the government in some terroristic act. Then
the debate will really begin.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 23, 2013 10:51 AM (n8LUb)

No worries there!

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:53 AM (FIDMq)

303 Mom, who also taught me about the use of profane
language: "Some stupid shits got caught bugging some dumbasses and the
President lied about it. As for what the Big Mother Fucking Deal is?
I'm still trying to figure that shit out."





And that was my intro to politics.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 23, 2013 10:07 AM (yCvxi)


You were raised extremely well and it's borne out in your comments.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 23, 2013 10:54 AM (1tS+I)

304 You trust fed, state and local gov't to "aim at the right people"? What do they consider the 'right' people? Anyone not registered a demoncrat.

Posted by: Infidel at February 23, 2013 10:54 AM (gqEUi)

305 I want to tell you I have figured out a reply to my dem relatives and acquaintances.

Whenever I hear complaints (food prices, gas prices, drones, unemployment, etc.) I just say in a very cheerful voice, "Well, this is what everyone voted for. I didn't agree, but everyone wanted this, so we will just have to see how it works out."

I give no sympathy and do not complain or commiserate. If pressed, I say "Well, I don't see how borrowing trillions of dollars will help, but them I am trying to not have any credit card debt. Perhaps government can borrow the money somewhere. I don't know where, though, since China will no longer loan to us."

Then ta-ta, I walk away.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 23, 2013 10:55 AM (GoIUi)

306 I can see the drones being used to identify a puddle on your acreage, thereby turning it in to a "wetland". I can see them being used to identify junky cars on your property, 50 gallon drums, recently dug holes, etc. info to go straight to the EPA.

Posted by: navybrat at February 23, 2013 10:56 AM (ND6O6)

307 I can see drones being used to check out hot chicks in their apartments.

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2013 10:57 AM (SuZH4)

308
I have been playing around with some ideas for building a Faraday cage around my backup generator with the idea to shield it from EMP. Main problem: how the heck do I test it?

Buy a glass tube filled with neon (available from places like Edmund's Scientific) or the intact glass from a neon sign and put it inside the Faraday cage. Then take a magnetron from a microwave and place it about a foot away from the glass, outside of the Faraday cage. Turn on the magnetron. If the glass glows, the cage is bad. You'll probably want to test around the entire cage.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 23, 2013 10:57 AM (tOkJB)

309 Someone posted earlier that the 10th Cir. Court of Appeals ruled that the 2d amendment doesn't guarantee concealed carry. The 7th Cir ruled that it does.
http://www.saf.org/viewpr-new.asp?id=423

This issue will be going back to SCOTUS.

Posted by: real joe at February 23, 2013 10:58 AM (PD2ad)

310 Whenever I hear complaints (food prices, gas prices, drones, unemployment, etc.) I just say in a very cheerful voice, "Well, this is what everyone voted for. I didn't agree, but everyone wanted this, so we will just have to see how it works out."

My reaction is more concise: "enjoy the shit sandwich you ordered."

Posted by: real joe at February 23, 2013 10:59 AM (PD2ad)

311 I don't think it is fair to say that the companies operating the Defense nuclear facilities were disobeying the law - in most cases. I took a course in RAD safety and waste disposal (at Harvard, but I still like girls) from a guy who worked on the Manhattan project on through and he said that when they started they just ran a 20 foot pipe out the window. Then they figured that was probably bad, so they ran it a longer way down to a stream. And then later they figured out that was probably bad, so then they had to do containment and storage.

As the knowledge of what they were working with got better, the more protections they put in place.

But that left a lot of stuff that had to be cleaned up later. During the Cold War, the tradeoff was easy to see, after the fact, the benefit side of the equation went away.

The solution to Hanford's problems is difficult but straightforward. Pump out the bad stuff and send it to a vitrification plant. Spray a ceramic containment or the like around the contaminated tank shells and pull them out and crush them up. But they need a place to land that HLW, which has likewise been on the drawing boards since the early 90s.

There was a crit problem at Hanford that caused Savannah River to shut down the plutonium processing for a safety standown. They shut the damn thing off. With all the bad stuff still in process, in the plant. The best answer was to start the line back up, finish off what was in the pipes, and then close it. But the enviros would not let that happen because the result would be some plutonium that would be available after the fact. So instead, they sued to keep things just they they are. And it isn't like the acids and stuff sitting in the pipes get BETTER over time.

Luckily, there was a NASA need for plutonium, and a deal was struck to do a cleanup run and use that plutonium for the NASA project, so it would go offplanet and not be available to make weapons from. But of course, the enviros complained about that, too.

They do not want the Defense Nuclear sites cleaned up - a plant that can operate cleanly can operate. They want to stop all operation, forever, and if that results in adverse impacts on human health, so be it.

Posted by: blaster at February 23, 2013 11:01 AM (/1U3u)

312 I can see drones being used to check out hot chicks in their apartments.

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2013 10:57 AM (SuZH4)


If you know any Army aviators, you know this will happen.

Posted by: blaster at February 23, 2013 11:02 AM (/1U3u)

313
Oh, and BTW -- the magnetron is directional, so point it towards the neon filled glass. And plug it in from the other side of the room with a long extension cord.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 23, 2013 11:03 AM (tOkJB)

314
If you know any Army aviators, you know this will happen.
Posted by: blaster at February 23, 2013 11:02 AM (/1U3u)

Yep, I'm sure there are a few Howard Walowitzes out there.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 11:03 AM (l86i3)

315 Posted by: Captain Hate at February 23, 2013 10:54 AM (1tS+I)


The compliment is amplified coming from someone with that name, sir!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 23, 2013 11:03 AM (yCvxi)

316 Did you the laugh-out-loud speech given to Globe employees by the rat-like NY Times executive? "You'll be sooooooo much better off without us sucking up all your cash flow, Globies!" and "we are saving the Globe by dumping your sorry asses!"

The Herald had no comment, other than "drinks all around!"

Posted by: MTF at February 23, 2013 11:04 AM (+GpbP)

317 297 Curious, what is loiter speed for a drone?
Posted by: Red Shirt at February 23, 2013 10:43 AM (FIDMq)

Depends on the drone.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 10:44 AM (l86i3)
---

WHAT....istheaverageairspeedvelocityofanunladendrone?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog--doesn't know when to quit with the Seriously You Guys joke at February 23, 2013 11:04 AM (Y5I9o)

318 Yep, I have seen Royal Navy use Harriers to check out chicks while a tourist in Gibraltar. They hovered by a docked cruise ship where the stewardesses on crew deck were sunning.

Posted by: navybrat at February 23, 2013 11:05 AM (ND6O6)

319 I'm sure the moment I post this, a new thread will go up.

How is #29 even an option? Chu should be fired for even suggesting it. There are several others that are nearly as bad.

ABC's '57 Terrible Consequences of Sequestration'

http://abcn.ws/YpBSCr

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 23, 2013 11:08 AM (piMMO)

320
>>Curious, what is loiter speed for a drone?

African or European?

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2013 11:09 AM (SuZH4)

321
If you know any Army aviators men, you know this will happen.

Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2013 11:10 AM (SuZH4)

322 African or European?
Posted by: garrett at February 23, 2013 11:09 AM (SuZH4)

And there it is.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 11:10 AM (l86i3)

323 From Vics link
---
Barack Obama met with Al Sharpton and other "African American leaders"
to discuss the president's "plan to strengthen the economy...
---
What a laugh.

TFG might get tips on how to:

Incite riots and get people kills at the fashion mart.

How to extort money to avoid getting sued for affirmative action.



Posted by: sTevo at February 23, 2013 11:12 AM (VMcEw)

324 "ABC's '57 Terrible Consequences of Sequestration'"


One for each state?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 23, 2013 11:12 AM (yCvxi)

325 email from Fauxahontas Warren...



Americans are fighters. We are tough, resourceful, and creative.


If we have the chance to fight on a level playing field -- where
everyone pays a fair share and everyone has a real shot -- then no one
can stop us.


That's what I'm fighting for each and every day in the United States
Senate. But here's the honest truth: at the end of the day, my one voice
-- and my one vote -- isn't enough. We need many strong voices fighting
together to stand up for what we believe in.


I've formed a new organization -- PAC for a Level Playing Field
-- to advance our fight. Together we can do more, and we can support
candidates across the country who believe in consistent accountability,
investing in opportunity, and fighting for families and small
businesses.


Just like our campaign, the PAC for a Level Playing Field won't be
funded by big corporate interests. It will be funded by grassroots
donors like you.


(I guess fighting for more money from the rich to give more handouts to the Dem base is what the American Fighting Spirit is all about.)

Posted by: mallfly at February 23, 2013 11:13 AM (bJm7W)

326 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 23, 2013 11:08 AM (piMMO

Wonder if they will retroactively blame the nuke leak on sequestration.

I know it's far-fetched, but considering the media's ability to out and out lie, well.

Posted by: RWC (recycling dumb ass sayings.) at February 23, 2013 11:14 AM (sqp6o)

327 Vic,

When I was in college I sold books in Oak Ridge in the 60's and wandered all over that area.

Some of the old guys had some really really scary stories about the place during the war. Seems like lots of people died rather mysteriously. They even moved a couple of grave sites, hmm wonder why?

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 23, 2013 11:14 AM (wR+pz)

328 "Barack Obama met with Al Sharpton and other "African American leaders" to discuss the president's "plan to strengthen the economy..."


Don't forget Turbo Timmy's similar meeting with noted economist and elder statesman Jon Stewart

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 23, 2013 11:14 AM (yCvxi)

329 Somehow, I don't think this will lead to the MSM to call for a "national dialog on race". It takes them to the middle of the article to subtly name the race of those doing the attacking

Plano Police Warn Hispanic Men Of ViolentAttacks

http://tinyurl.com/9wmfz3o

Posted by: kbdabear at February 23, 2013 11:15 AM (mCvL4)

330 ABC's '57 Terrible Consequences of Sequestration'

http://abcn.ws/YpBSCr


Gee, you look at that list and you get the feeling that the military is important.

I'd like to see another list, "these are the bureaucrats, their supervisors, and administrators who will be unaffected". That is, the ones who aren't doing the stuff on the first list.

Posted by: t-bird at February 23, 2013 11:17 AM (FcR7P)

331 "Just like our campaign, the PAC for a Level Playing Field won't be funded by big Republican corporate interests. It will be funded by grassroots donors like you big Democrat Corporate interests and Unions, but mainly Unions."


FIFHer

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 23, 2013 11:18 AM (yCvxi)

332 Posted by: sTevo at February 23, 2013 11:12 AM (VMcEw)


Tonight is the measure of whether the country begins a national drive to push back or whether we have more to go to build a movement of resistance. But tax we much… We must and we will much tax.. about … that … be committed.




Well, i feel better.

Posted by: RWC (recycling dumb ass sayings.) at February 23, 2013 11:18 AM (sqp6o)

333 Good morning from the Centennial State

Feelgood story: 21 year old man defends family, blows intruder away

http://is.gd/KWzYdq

and we are expecting up to 11" of climate change in the next 24 hrs

Laissez les bon temps roulez

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 23, 2013 11:18 AM (8sCoq)

334 Sock off

Posted by: RWC at February 23, 2013 11:18 AM (sqp6o)

335 Sue we much.

Much Sue.

Hope she's a ginger.

Posted by: sTevo at February 23, 2013 11:19 AM (VMcEw)

336 I'd like to see another list, "these are the bureaucrats, their supervisors, and administrators who will be unaffected". That is, the ones who aren't doing the stuff on the first list.

***

Right.

Of all the cuts that could be made, let's cut security at nuke plants.

Let's cut staff who translate Arabic.

Let's cut security at the border.

Let's cut those who track WMDs.

I, too, am in agreement with Rush. I am ashamed that our government would go to this great a length in the pursuit of their own ideology.

Nothing. NOTHING. Is sacred or off limits to them.

Heads should roll for even suggesting a number of items on that list.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 23, 2013 11:22 AM (piMMO)

337 The passing of a real hero:

"You're an 19 year old kid. You're critically wounded , and dying in the
jungle in the Ia Drang Valley , 11-14-1965, LZ X-ray, Vietnam . Your
infantry unit is outnumbered 8 - 1, and
the enemy fire is so intense, from 100 or 200 yards away, that your own
Infantry Commander has ordered the MediVac helicopters to stop coming
in.

You're lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns,
and you know you're not getting out. Your family is 1/2 way around the
world, 12,000 miles away, and you'll never see them again. As the world
starts to fade in and out , you know this is the day.

Then,
over the machine gun noise, you faintly hear that sound of a helicopter,
and you look up to see an un-armed Huey, but it doesn't seem real,
because no Medi-Vac markings are on it.

Ed Freeman is coming
for you. He's not Medi-Vac, so it's not his job, but he's flying his
Huey down into the machine gun fire, after the Medi-Vacs were ordered
not to come.

He's coming anyway.

And he drops it in, and sits there in the machine gun fire, as they load 2 or 3 of you on board.

Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire, to the Doctors and Nurses.

And, he kept coming back.... 13 more times.....

And took about 30 of you and your buddies out, who would never have gotten out.


Medal of Honor Recipient , Ed Freeman , died at the age of 80, in
Boise , ID ......May God rest his soul..... I bet you didn't hear about
this hero's passing."

Posted by: navybrat at February 23, 2013 11:24 AM (ND6O6)

338 Of all the cuts that could be made, let's cut security at nuke plants.



Security at nuke plants is paid for by the utilities.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 11:25 AM (53z96)

339 Thanks navybrat.

RIP Ed Freeman. Godspeed.

Posted by: Infidel at February 23, 2013 11:28 AM (gqEUi)

340 Medal of Honor Recipient , Ed Freeman , died at the age of 80, in
Boise , ID ......May God rest his soul..... I bet you didn't hear about
this hero's passing."
Posted by: navybrat at February 23, 2013 11:24 AM (ND6O6)

Wow, thanks for that.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 11:28 AM (l86i3)

341 Posted by: navybrat at February 23, 2013 11:24 AM (ND6O6)

***

Wow.

To run/fly into fire once may be brave, or it might be foolishness. To do it 30 times takes, not only balls of steel, but the acceptance that you are going to die in the process. He chose to do it anyway.


Wow.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 23, 2013 11:29 AM (piMMO)

342 Is this the character they called "Snake" in "We Were Soldiers Once, and Young"? Wow.

Posted by: navybrat at February 23, 2013 11:30 AM (ND6O6)

343 Medal of Honor Recipient , Ed Freeman , died at the age of 80, in
Boise , ID ......May God rest his soul..... I bet you didn't hear about
this hero's passing."

Posted by: navybrat at February 23, 2013 11:24 AM (ND6O6)

Nope, and even I had never heard of that battle until Mel Gibson made that movie. That is one of my all time favorite movies. I want to cry every time I see it.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 11:30 AM (53z96)

344 Ed Freeman was "Too Tall".

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 11:31 AM (53z96)

345 Thanks, sven, for the Chernobyl videos.

While watching them, I stumbled across a great video that ought to be featured in the gun thread. It's about the 1858 Remington cap & ball revolver:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK6Qr7qmSvY

Whoever runs the gun thread, feel free to use it. If not, I'll link it again tomorrow.

Posted by: rickl at February 23, 2013 11:33 AM (sdi6R)

346 New one up

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2013 11:33 AM (53z96)

347 "Too Tall". Yes. That movie is one of my faves.

Posted by: navybrat at February 23, 2013 11:33 AM (ND6O6)

348 Posted by: navybrat at February 23, 2013 11:24 AM (ND6O6)


I posted it on my facebook page and demanded it be shared.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 23, 2013 11:33 AM (l86i3)

349 That is where I got it. FB.

Posted by: navybrat at February 23, 2013 11:35 AM (ND6O6)

350 Ed Freeman. RIP good Sir.

Posted by: RWC at February 23, 2013 11:36 AM (sqp6o)

351 In regards to Hanford most of the problem lies with DOE. BNFL gave them a realist quote for building the vitrification plant, but they thought that was too expensive and went with the contractor that massively under bid the plant. Now they way over budget (imagine that), but they can justify it because the DOE project mangers will not tolerate any risk. They want the plant 100% safe, and that is just fucking impossible. Nothing that big and complicated is ever going to be 100% safe. It called risk management, but the fuckers at DOE are spending other peoples money so they don't care. For example they built a nitrogen purge plant that cost billions (maybe only 100's of millions don't remember the exact number ) of dollars that is only necessary it mitigate a risk that has about as high a probability of happening as the plant being struck by a meteor.

Posted by: Thermadin at February 23, 2013 11:37 AM (W+08+)

352 Wiki says Mr. Freeman died in 2008, so a remembrance is long overdue.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 23, 2013 11:37 AM (piMMO)

353 If the sequester means all those things happen, let's reverse it: you've identified the stuff to keep; dump the other stuff.

Posted by: t-bird at February 23, 2013 11:43 AM (FcR7P)

354 http://preview.tinyurl.com/lfdtwj

Ed Freeman Wiki page says he passed in 2008.

Posted by: Infidel at February 23, 2013 11:57 AM (gqEUi)

355 What's crazy irony about that "European schedule" quip in the main blog post is that we've already devolved into Europe West, but with much higher crime rates and with even worse education programs.

For the country the prospects are very grim. It's been seven full years (Q1 '06) since we posted even one quarter of robust GDP growth. The government takes in annually over a trillion dollars less than what it spends annually. The average workweek is under 35 hours and poised because of Obamacare to go much lower. Wage growth in real terms is non-existent. Poverty is rampant. Unemployment and underemployment are rampant. The country owes 16 trillion dollars. The Boomers in droves recently have begun to file for Social Security benefits. Even using ludicrous faux estimates of future growth that particular Ponzi scheme is by the government's own admission on a fast track to go supernova. Medicare too.

If the U.S. were a private business it would be taken into receivership and then liquidated for pennies on the dollar.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at February 23, 2013 11:57 AM (r2PLg)

356 41 Hey, everybody left me hanging out by myself on the remnants of the ONT. Bright fireball seen over southern CA last night:
Bend overCalifornia - looks like Gov. Moonbeam just gotanother idea….

Posted by: Buckeye Malcontent at February 23, 2013 12:06 PM (d2CZd)

357 I need to reduce the distributed inductance
(impedance) to ground. And maybe have all the ground rods sitting in a
salt solution, in the ground. That will kill the grass. And I would have
to keep refilling/refreshing the solution.


Posted by: Muad'dib - Shoveler of Snow at February 23, 2013 09:50 AM (SCTXH)

Very late to this discussion, but it's not so much the absolute potential of a voltage pulse that's destructive, but the potential difference developed across susceptible components. A properly-constructed Faraday cage ought to protect its contents, even if NOT grounded, since electrical circuit theory holds that there is no detectable charge on the INSIDE of a charged hollow sphere. (like charges repel one another, therefore they distribute themselves evenly over the outer surface)
The stuff that's really at risk in an EMP attack would be any kind of long lines: power lines, radio antennas, telephone lines, TV or Internet cables (excluding pure fiber optics), because long conductors act as antennas to "receive" an EMP, and high voltages can develop. I doubt it would be worth worrying about your emergency generator, if it has a metal case, and if it is not hard-wired to the house wiring. I'd be inclined to leave it unplugged from the transfer switch, so that a voltage pulse carried in from the grid can't jump the gaps in the switch, and toast the generator. That would give you some protection from lightning, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 23, 2013 12:34 PM (29+x5)

358 74 "Green" means "watermelon": i.e., green on the outside, red on the inside.
Heterosexual white male Americans work less here, and Red China has air pollution from working so much.
Posted by: Thorvald at February 23, 2013 08:32 AM (1V6Pv)

Probably the air pollution comes more from the fact that the Chines don't give a flying fuck about their citizens subjects enviroment if there's a yuan to be made. One of the causes of our jobs going over there is that we in effect exported our pollution too. One reason I try to avoid Chinese products if I can.

Posted by: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth at February 23, 2013 12:42 PM (Hsgnv)

359 "A new analysis suggests that a more 'European' schedule would reduce the effects of climate change"

Why hasn't that worked for Europe? They keep working less and their carbon keeps increasing.

The results of 'cost-benefit' analyses depend almost entirely upon where you stop counting.

Posted by: Shouting from behind a closed door at February 23, 2013 12:47 PM (nEDGE)

360 Mama AJ @255- Thanks for the Barksdale info! We belong to a range a little East of Chandler and will probably join the one between here and Canton (Mrs. E shoots skeets). Remember when retirees could stay at shortstay on military bases for around $8 per night? Life before 9/11.

Posted by: EROWMER at February 23, 2013 08:04 PM (kxlCQ)






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