Gilded Class Warriors: The Billionaires Who Want You To Know They're Thinking of Your Plight


American Epitaph

Good piece by Victor Davis Hanson.

But of course the super-wealthy can't front a political movement on their own; they need some allies. And thus the petit aristocracy. Megan McArdle analogizes the credential elite (as I've done, I think) to the late medieval Chinese bureaucracy.

But many of the mandarins have never worked for a business at all, except for a think tank, the government, a media organization, or a school–places that more or less deliberately shield their content producers from the money side of things. There is nothing wrong with any of these places, but culturally and operationally they’re very different from pretty much any other sort of institution. I don’t myself claim to understand how most businesses work, but having switched from business to media, I’m aware of how different they can be.

In fact, I think that to some extent, the current political wars are a culture war not between social liberals and social conservatives, but between the values of the mandarin system, and the values of those who compete in the very different culture of ordinary businesses–ones outside glamor industries like tech or design. . .

Almost none of the kids I meet in Washington these days even had boring menial high school jobs working in a drugstore or waiting tables; they were doing “enriching” internships or academic programs. And thus the separation of the mandarin class grows ever more complete.

She also notes that a system in which the Golden Door Entry is being good at tests -- given that being good at tests is a function of absorbing received wisdom and anticipating the preferred answer of the hierarchized credentialed elite -- will produce a system controlled by people who are good at absorbing received wisdom and anticipating the preferred answer of the hieararchized credentialed elite.

That is, clever at Pleasing Teacher but never profound, never daring.

Furthermore, people value what they themselves are good at -- the wordsmiths think that wordsmithing is Serious You Guys Just the Best! -- and also scorn what they're not good at, this cadre of decisionmakers will tend to scorn everyone who isn't similarly conformist and bureaucratically-minded.

Posted by: Ace at 12:59 PM



Comments

1 Amazing
They should 'share' more

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 22, 2013 01:00 PM (O6zkv)

2 Public choice theory. Those on top will rig the system to keep them on top. And select those to join them in such a manner that they will stay on top.

It's quickly becoming time to smash everything. God, I sound like a wasted anarchist.

Posted by: Truman North at February 22, 2013 01:01 PM (d1a7j)

3 And the 'golden door entry'
Is that an urban dictionary check?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 22, 2013 01:03 PM (O6zkv)

4 You will find an eloquent and comimentary article at the link in my sig

Posted by: Truman North at February 22, 2013 01:03 PM (I2LwF)

5 Again with those fucking pipe cleaner legs!

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2013 01:03 PM (dBYCN)

6 That chicken legged nancy boy should really consider wearing long pants. I know I would if my calves were skinnier than my nine iron.

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at February 22, 2013 01:03 PM (cv8r/)

7 brb checkin' the box

Posted by: Obama Decider-in-Chief at February 22, 2013 01:03 PM (60GaT)

8
These kinds of things have predictable reactions, but unpredictable final outcomes.

The guillotine; she is thirsty!

Posted by: Jaws at February 22, 2013 01:04 PM (4I3Uo)

9 Complimentary

Posted by: Truman North at February 22, 2013 01:04 PM (I2LwF)

10
beautiful pic

well done!

Posted by: soothsayer at February 22, 2013 01:04 PM (eHNxr)

11 It's like when all those people worth tens of millions of dollars showed up at OWS.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 22, 2013 01:04 PM (6J6x7)

12

See, there's value to be found even in photos.



Posted by: soothsayer at February 22, 2013 01:06 PM (uff2W)

13
She also notes that a system in which the Golden Door Entry is being good at tests -- given that being good at tests is a function of absorbing received wisdom and anticipating the preferred answer of the hierarchized credentialed elite -- will produce a system controlled by people who are good at absorbing received wisdom and anticipating the preferred answer of the hieararchized credentialed elite.



In other words, Japan.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 22, 2013 01:06 PM (4df7R)

14 Seriously. The republican leadership has joined the democrats. Smash them all.

Posted by: Truman North at February 22, 2013 01:07 PM (I2LwF)

15 Almost none of the kids I meet in Washington these days even had boring menial high school jobs working in a drugstore or waiting tables;

It use to make me puke when I was told how the Kennedys did all this volunteer work. IOW, they didn't need to earn money, their mothers got them these interesting jobs that they did for a whole 3 weeks in the summer, while they did drugs and killed/crippled their girlfriends.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 22, 2013 01:07 PM (6J6x7)

16 Any SW Ohio morons going to " Day of Resistance" rally in West Chester tomorrow?

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 22, 2013 01:07 PM (moS1D)

17 14 Our boning is complete.

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2013 01:07 PM (dBYCN)

18 Quick note -

You've never scene video of Obama taking a golf shot, have you?

Yet you've seen Dubya's "Now watch this drive" clip about 500 times.

Hmmmmm, who do you think is better golfer - despite all the practice and rounds of golf played?
_

Also, note that the minute thirty's worth of talk Bush gave before the "Watch this drive" is more eloquent and memorable than anything Obama has said on-the-record.

-

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 22, 2013 01:07 PM (J8DGo)

19 Speaking of "never worked for a business", who is financing Sandra Fluke as she meanders around the country speaking inane crap that reveals what a "special" type of person she is? At least you could explain that Sheehan witch was stealing from her son's life insurance policy while acting like a fucking idiot.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2013 01:08 PM (00Mvj)

20 And the 'golden door entry'
Is that an urban dictionary check?


Probably not from work.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2013 01:08 PM (GFM2b)

21 Almost none of the kids I meet in Washington these days even had boring menial high school jobs working in a drugstore or waiting tables

This explains so much.

Posted by: Heralder at February 22, 2013 01:08 PM (+xmn4)

22
Hansen coulda mention Algore's recent windfall in the sale of his network.

A purchase funded by........ drumrollllllllllll....... EVIL POLLUTING OIL MONEY.


Posted by: fixerupper at February 22, 2013 01:09 PM (nELVU)

23 14 started reading it yesterday but i dunno why Codevilla is describing an upper-bracket tax hike as a massive loss for non-country club Republicans

Posted by: JDP at February 22, 2013 01:10 PM (60GaT)

24
.... caption that photo????



FORE ...WORD!!

Posted by: fixerupper at February 22, 2013 01:10 PM (nELVU)

25 We still have a chance. It hinges on separating the current republican elites and people like them from positions in leadership.

That starts in the states and works its way up.

And states start at the county or town level.

That's where we can start doing some damage.

This can be changed.

Posted by: Truman North at February 22, 2013 01:10 PM (I2LwF)

26 That chicken legged nancy boy should really consider
wearing long pants. I know I would if my calves were skinnier than my
nine iron.

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at February 22, 2013 01:03 PM (cv8r/)


I'm sure the Iranian Rodent keeps anybody from letting him know what a twatmuffin he looks like.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2013 01:11 PM (00Mvj)

27 I would love to play Barry for a grand a hole. Nothing like taking a collectivist's cash.

Posted by: tony redenzo at February 22, 2013 01:11 PM (0KgIG)

28 I started working while I was in the 10th grade in High School. None of my grandchildren did that and neither did my daughter.

Posted by: Vic at February 22, 2013 01:11 PM (53z96)

29 I started working when I was 14 washing dishes at a restaurant. Loved it, was excited to "come into my own" and start drawing a paycheck, and the freedom and buying power that afforded me. It's hard to understand why that is not attractiveto kids.

Posted by: Heralder at February 22, 2013 01:13 PM (+xmn4)

30
Almost none of the kids I meet in Washington these days even had boring menial high school jobs working in a drugstore or waiting tables; they were doing “enriching” internships or academic programs. And thus the separation of the mandarin class grows ever more complete.


And a lot of that is driven by the insane notion that EVERYONE should go to college after high school. On a college application, the prog administrators will smile and nod when they see "2011-12 participant in the Little Scholars program from XYZUniversity," but they'll sniff derisively if the student puts, "Bussed tables at local diner for four years of high school." The former is from a university, and therefore carries a certain amount of snobby weight. The latter is "just a job," and the fact that the applicant worked there for FOUR YEARS doesn't mean anything; it certainly doesn't speak to his or her work ethic and thus his or her chances of slogging it out through college and graduating in four years.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 22, 2013 01:13 PM (4df7R)

31 .... caption that photo????



LEAN FORE ...WORD!!


Low. Hanging. Fruit.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2013 01:14 PM (GFM2b)

32 The juxtaposition of this post and the Amazon.com header ad trying to sell me on the combo plasma cutter/arc welder I was searching recently is just awesome.

Posted by: Andy at February 22, 2013 01:14 PM (C/NnJ)

33 I should clarify that last post. I started working at a permanent job. I had already been doing odd jobs like mowing grass etc.

Posted by: Vic at February 22, 2013 01:14 PM (53z96)

34 >>>The latter is "just a job," and the fact that the applicant worked there for FOUR YEARS doesn't mean anything; it certainly doesn't speak to his or her work ethic and thus his or her chances of slogging it out through college and graduating in four years.

Native intelligence is crucial and you can't really teach it.

You know what else is crucial and you definitely can't teach it all? Grit.

But the soft people who have the former and not the latter.... unsurprisingly enough, overvalue the former and undervalue the latter.

Gee, funny how that works.

Posted by: ace at February 22, 2013 01:15 PM (LCRYB)

35 I've been thinking about that article a lot this morning. I'm good at taking tests. I'm talking really, really, really good at taking tests. You know what I think that qualifies me to do? Take tests. That's it.

While my primary employment has been in a wordsmithing field, I've actually done more than that. I've stood in the field picking blueberries, I've worked in a college cafeteria, I've folded envelopes and typed letters and answered the phone and cleaned the bathroom and done the filing and all that happy office stuff. I worked as a temp for several years so I've worked for all kinds of companies doing all kinds of things. I've helped to pick apples and to slop pigs and, scarringly, I've held the head of cows whilst someone used the baster to knock them up. Hell, I spent a few months as the office runner for some architects and learned how to make blueprints. I don't mean use CAD or the like, I mean actually make the physical blueprints.


All of those things have come in handy doing the rest of the stuff I've done. Why? Because I've seen how things are done out in the real world. When discussing, say, getting copies of customs documents to confirm when a tractor trailer hit the border, I knew who would have them and how to read them because I used to type them up. Doing a variety of jobs at a variety of places has made me better at what I do now. I can't believe people don't understand this.


I don't comprehend this attitude that sitting on my ass playing with pixels makes me a better person than the guy who just put a new transmission is someone's car. What the hell? I'm not joking when I say that come the ZA, I want Daryl Dixon on my side. The redneck who can rebuild an engine from the parts lying on the ground is worth more than me spouting off about whatever.

There's also an excellent point about how narrow the path to "success" in the NGO/government position/think tank world is. If you do not go to one of five, maybe six, of schools, you won't even get your foot in the door. Of course they all sound and think alike, They all went to the same place.

It's bullshit, all of it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 22, 2013 01:16 PM (VtjlW)

36 You've mentioned "being good at tests" in a negative light before. It's only got that negative feel to me if those tests were part of the liberal arts curriculum. In the hard sciences, medicine, engineering, a few others, "being good at tests" is actually an indicator of usefulness and smarts.

Anyway, I thought I had something useful to say, but I maybe not.

Posted by: jd at February 22, 2013 01:16 PM (y53d1)

37 "Just remember. When you play against Mr. Obama you have to let him win."

Posted by: Real Secret Service of Pebble Beach at February 22, 2013 01:17 PM (GXZgZ)

38 The Good at Taking Tests people are also the Good At Getting Beaten Up By Rednecks people, when they finally push the rednecks too far.

Posted by: Phelps at February 22, 2013 01:18 PM (cWtxJ)

39 Jerrold Nadler got his start working the counter at a Dunkin' Donuts. Unfortunately, the location suffered from chronic inventory problems and had to be closed.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 22, 2013 01:18 PM (+lsX1)

40 My parents were not rich, we had a big family, so I worked from age 16 on. And babysitting before that, to make my own spending money. Back in Chicago in those days, all the boys, even the rich ones, would go up to Wisconsin for a couple of weeks every summer and work in the corn harvest. It helped them to be better adjusted adults.

This is unheard of today. Most families even hire housekeepers to do the laundry! It's an irresistible temptation to coddle your kids with these smaller families today. I notice a few nephews are having a real hard time adjusting to working life, as bosses are not praising you for being you any more.

Posted by: PJ at February 22, 2013 01:18 PM (ZWaLo)

41 Oh, and as an evil right winger, I try to avoid jealousy of people that have more free time than I do, but I'm making an exception here.

I've been so fucking busy that I haven't played a single round of golf in more than 4 years. I've been busy, Mr. SCOAMF, at my fucking job. and I gotta be honest, my job is slightly less important than yours. So if I can put in 10-12 hours a day, do you think it would be possible for you to do the same, especially since your salary is an order of magnitude bigger than mine, you jug eared, limp wristed weakling.

No? Of course not. The next full day of hard work he does will be his first. Jackass.

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at February 22, 2013 01:18 PM (cv8r/)

42 I hope that pic was taken before Vacation XXXIV: The Lessons. He's about to plow that driver into the dirt and, at best, squib it to the right.

Which just proves how awesome he is.

Posted by: t-bird at February 22, 2013 01:18 PM (FcR7P)

43 I'm going to write a post on a phenomenon that I think is related to this topic and submit it to Ace to see if he might consider put it out .

I'm in a business where I'm in contact with many other businesses where business environments concepts are their own industry.

What I want to post on is the basic infantilism ion of the office environment.

(Sorry if this seems scattered, but I'm in a meeting right now and using my iPhone. The others think I'm addressing urgent business issues)

..but anyway I was in the offices for a business environment consultant and they actually had a playground tube slide to go from the 2nd to the first floor and thru had Slinkys and Etch-a-Sketches on their conference tables so the participants in meetings had something to play with while discussing strategy

... uh oh.. gotta go

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 22, 2013 01:18 PM (moS1D)

44
I started babysitting when I was 12.
At 14, I started tutoring along with babysitting...and started my own business, organizing other older kids to tutor younger kids.

These days, I would probably would not be able to do something like that...without breaking a dozen employment laws.

Posted by: wheatie at February 22, 2013 01:19 PM (eyJSG)

45
A purchase funded by........ drumrollllllllllll....... EVIL POLLUTING OIL MONEY.


And, given Al Gore's life's work of curtailing Western oil development, he helped build that oil money fortune in the first place. It's like incest with a windfall.

Posted by: zsasz at February 22, 2013 01:19 PM (MMC8r)

46 You've mentioned "being good at tests" in a negative light before. It's
only got that negative feel to me if those tests were part of the
liberal arts curriculum.

It's a negative when the only thing they are good at it is the test. That's being Good At Taking Tests. Being good at engineering means you are good at engineering tests, but not test taking in general.

Posted by: Phelps at February 22, 2013 01:20 PM (cWtxJ)

47 Bootlickers hire lickspittles that hire slavish asskissers. And so the circle of bureaucratic life continues. They all each each other's asses.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at February 22, 2013 01:20 PM (ovaQa)

48
I managed the number-two-in-sales-in-the-country Pizza Inn when I was in my early twenties, learned the basics of business on the job. It's not rocket surgery. Yet, I've forgotten more about business that these Guilded Class Warriors will ever know. I find it rather schitzoid that rich pols are railing against the rich. Every time somebody in Washington says something like that, they should be asked, "How much are you worth?"

Jay Leno was right when he joked about TFG's handicap being his lack of knowledge about economics the other night.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 22, 2013 01:20 PM (+z4pE)

49 >
The Good at Taking Tests people are also the Good At Getting Beaten Up
By Rednecks people, when they finally push the rednecks too far.



If there is a second American Revolution, I prophesy the first blow will be struck by some good old boy in Alabama, Tennessee, something like that

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 22, 2013 01:20 PM (8sCoq)

50 That boy has chicken legs... RACIST

self denounce

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:21 PM (nTgAI)

51 *eat each other's

Not each each other's.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at February 22, 2013 01:21 PM (ovaQa)

52 I mean actually make the physical blueprints.>>

I used to love the smell in blueprint copier room just before you passed out.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 22, 2013 01:21 PM (81UWZ)

53 Yeah and about the pic at top- I seen better legs in a bucket of chicken

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 22, 2013 01:21 PM (8sCoq)

54 Chris Christie learned people skills while manning a Deep Fried Butter concession stand on the boardwalk as a young man. He would later go on to land a management position in the corndog industry while still in high school.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 22, 2013 01:21 PM (+lsX1)

55
Another victim of Sequester:

The $16 muffin.

oh wait, no it's not

Posted by: soothsayer at February 22, 2013 01:21 PM (vuIm8)

56 It's hard to understand why that is not attractive to kids.

In "good" communities, kids can pull down more in a week in "cash from Mom or Dad" than they can in "worked at the Tastee Freez for ten hours."

But back to the kids who *want* to work, they're really hamstrung by labor laws. Easier to hire an adult or a retiree who is legally allowed to work 28 hours a week during the school year, and run the slicer and--this is my favorite--move the bottle of tequila across the scanner and place it in the grocery cart (you have to be 19 to do that in Indiana; I am a terrible judge of age and spent a lot of time apologizing while we wait for the manager).

Posted by: HeatherRadish marinating in the zeitgeist at February 22, 2013 01:22 PM (/kI1Q)

57 Doing a variety of jobs at a variety of places has made me better at what I do now. I can't believe people don't understand this.

Exactly! And just as important, and most telling, is that you were WILLING TO DO THEM. You didn't turn up your nose and say, "Eww, no. I'm not going to stand there with a smelly cow as the guy with the big syringe gets her preggers." You did it, you learned from it, and you've since moved on.

I hate saying "kids today" because it makes me sound and feel so old, but it's incredible to me how many of them think they should just be able to walk into their dream job fresh out of school without having to do the grunt work to get there. "I don't want to be a receptionist!" they whine. "It's not fun and it doesn't make me feel happy and fulfilled!"

Tough shit, kiddo. Earn your stripes, then you can start picking and choosing your jobs.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 22, 2013 01:22 PM (4df7R)

58 Title to the picture - Obama plays while America's future darkens.

As for the article itself. Hanson is right, they are the pigs who walk on their hind legs.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 22, 2013 01:22 PM (U1VhH)

59 >>>You've mentioned "being good at tests" in a negative light before. It's only got that negative feel to me if those tests were part of the liberal arts curriculum. In the hard sciences, medicine, engineering, a few others, "being good at tests" is actually an indicator of usefulness and smarts

Look: Like alexthechick, I too am really good at tests.

I'm not saying I don't think that's NOT an indicator of intelligence. I do think testing well is a sign of intelligence.

But it's just a sign of intelligence, not intelligence itself, and furthermore, intelligence is just one aspect of mental strength.

There are others -- which are more or less untestable.

Some of those others -- creativity, daring, profundity of thought (testing is about textbook questions, and that's not where profoundness comes into play), and grit are more important than testing.

This isn't about saying that someone who gets a 1600 (or whatever it is now) on his SATs isn't smart.

It's about the *relative* overvaluing and undervaluing of things.

And we are building a soft aristocracy, by which I mean a de facto one but not a de jure one.

And I'm trying to deconstruct that.

Posted by: ace at February 22, 2013 01:22 PM (LCRYB)

60 The former is from a university, and therefore carries a certain amount of snobby weight. The latter is "just a job," and the fact that the applicant worked there for FOUR YEARS doesn't mean anything; it certainly doesn't speak to his or her work ethic and thus his or her chances of slogging it out through college and graduating in four years.



Same holds true in the work world. I did 4 years in maximum security prisons, 8 hours a day as a guard. '82-'86.
IOW, voluntarily, (yeah, for a paycheck, vs. the big green monster where uncle sugar owns you) while little suzie rottencrotch took 6 years of blow off classes while partying her ass off.
But that doesn't speak to my work ethic & being able to stick it out.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 22, 2013 01:22 PM (GFM2b)

61 Watching the last 30 mins of "Son of the Morning Star"

and I'm rooting for the Indians

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 22, 2013 01:22 PM (8sCoq)

62 So WTH is Neblet's et al excuse? You cant tell me he could pass any tests. Matthews cant pass a breathalyzer FFS

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Tissue at February 22, 2013 01:23 PM (b+zn8)

63 Isn't this the kind of thing that drives Britain now? Their Bureaucratic Class is massive and all-encompassing, all-powerful, and nobody makes a move in that country any more without the guidance of the bloated State and its army of civil servants.

Posted by: zsasz at February 22, 2013 01:23 PM (MMC8r)

64
36 You've mentioned "being good at tests" in a negative light before. It's only got that negative feel to me if those tests were part of the liberal arts curriculum. In the hard sciences, medicine, engineering, a few others, "being good at tests" is actually an indicator of usefulness and smarts.Anyway, I thought I had something useful to say, but I maybe not.
Posted by: jd at February 22, 2013 01:16 PM (y53d1)


Well "Being good at tests" should be a positive. Because it should be an indicator of being able to do those other tasks. I think ace is seeing it as when "Being good at tests" is the upper level positive insted of just being a positive indicator.

Posted by: buzzion at February 22, 2013 01:24 PM (GULKT)

65 You've mentioned "being good at tests" in a negative light before. It's only got that negative feel to me if those tests were part of the liberal arts curriculum. In the hard sciences, medicine, engineering, a few others, "being good at tests" is actually an indicator of usefulness and smarts.


This is very true. When I go to a brain surgeon, I want that guy to have the kind of "good at tests" memory that means he knows what part of the brain he's supposed to cut into and what part he isn't. And when I have someone designing a nuclear power plant, I want to know they have the "good at tests" kind of recall that means they know the equations necessary to get the containment unit built correctly so taht we don't all melt into radioactive puddles the first time someone pushes the ON button.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 22, 2013 01:24 PM (4df7R)

66 You guy's auto-corrects are giving me an aneurysm.

Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2013 01:25 PM (GXZgZ)

67 >So WTH is Neblet's et al excuse?


He's black- just like Dear Leader!- and he mouths the approved words and phrases

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 22, 2013 01:25 PM (8sCoq)

68 So WTH is Neblet's et al excuse? You cant tell me he could pass any tests

Heeeeeeee'z blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack.

To some, that's a value all it's own.

Posted by: zsasz at February 22, 2013 01:25 PM (MMC8r)

69 >>>Their Bureaucratic Class is massive and all-encompassing, all-powerful, and nobody makes a move in that country any more without the guidance of the bloated State and its army of civil servants.

The other thing is this: They're also very well compensated (as the Chinese bureaucrats were).

Which is bad.

Because you actually do not want this function to actually draw "the best and the brightest," do you?

Putting this in terms liberals can appreciate: Every would-be Great Poet you entice into the well-paying, low-hours, low-expectations job of Civil Servant is one less Great Poet you have.

Posted by: ace at February 22, 2013 01:25 PM (LCRYB)

70 I watched an entire engineering office be evacuated because some dope spilled a 1/2 cup of ammonia for the blueprint machine on the carpet.

Which helped me at the time as I was selling, among other things, anamnonia-less blueprint duplicator.

Thank god for the EPA.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 22, 2013 01:25 PM (J8DGo)

71 This was most evident in OWS movement. How many times did we see protesters sleeping out in the cold, while a small "elite" were hanging out inside a heated building.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 22, 2013 01:26 PM (NzBQO)

72 We really have never seen in this country the sort of ruthless will to power that we are now watching from Obama and the leftist media machine that is backing him. Even the media that are inclined to support him because he is a black liberal are, I think, stunned at the brazenness with which he lies and lives exactly the high life that he excoriates in his speeches. Of course that is part of the plan.

I despair most days because this Emperor is so, so naked but nobody will come forward and say so. We just go on and one with endless stories about his beautiful clothes.

Posted by: rockmom at February 22, 2013 01:26 PM (aBlZ1)

73 67 hes a pet. Its not about tests its about class

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Tissue at February 22, 2013 01:26 PM (b+zn8)

74 When I was 12, I got a job cleaning the cement off used bricks. It paid 5 cents each.
When I was 15 and got a work permit, I worked at the grocery store through high school.
7 years in construction.
19 years and still going in manufacturing/supply chain for the oil and gas industry.
Those are the only jobs I have had, i don't know if thats good or bad


Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:26 PM (nTgAI)

75 a lot of these guys peak early and then flounder when they get into the real world. I know a harvard BA/harvard JD lawyer who works for the government and hasn't seen a promotion in 20 years. but he is one of the ones who got into Harvard bc he was genuinely smart. Smart people aren't wanted or needed in the new aristocracy. and i doubt they are getting into Harvard anymore anyway.

Posted by: separate at February 22, 2013 01:26 PM (yrKiI)

76
"I mean actually make the physical blueprints.>>

I used to love the smell in blueprint copier room just before you passed out."

Ah yes, to be 19 years old and changing the ammonia bottle on the Diazo machine for the first time again. I'm glad I could give a whole office of architects a good belly laugh.

Posted by: Jaws at February 22, 2013 01:26 PM (4I3Uo)

77 From the ages of 12 - 45, Bob Menendez worked part time as a babysitter.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 22, 2013 01:26 PM (+lsX1)

78 Lawn mowing, working on the neighbor's farm, working as a laborer on construction sites- man, I was lucky! Kids these days have no chance at getting stints like that. No way you're going to hire someone at minimum wage who is going to report their income.

Posted by: t-bird at February 22, 2013 01:27 PM (FcR7P)

79 She also notes that a system in which the Golden Door Entry is being
good at tests -- given that being good at tests is a function of
absorbing received wisdom and anticipating the preferred answer of the
hierarchized credentialed elite -- will produce a system controlled by
people who are good at absorbing received wisdom and anticipating the
preferred answer of the hieararchized credentialed elite.

***

Success = garbage in, garbage out.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 22, 2013 01:27 PM (XUKZU)

80 63 Isn't this the kind of thing that drives Britain now? Their Bureaucratic Class is massive and all-encompassing, all-powerful, and nobody makes a move in that country any more without the guidance of the bloated State and its army of civil servants.

Posted by: zsasz at February 22, 2013 01:23 PM (MMC8r)

Sounds like Utopia to me!

Posted by: Barack Obama at February 22, 2013 01:27 PM (aBlZ1)

81 I mean actually make the physical blueprints.>>I used to love the smell in blueprint copier room just before you passed out."Ah yes, to be 19 years old and changing the ammonia bottle on the Diazo machine for the first time again. I'm glad I could give a whole office of architects a good belly laugh.
Posted by: Jaws at February 22, 2013 01:26 PM (4I3Uo)

good old vellum

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:28 PM (nTgAI)

82
It depends on...the tests.
Academic tests are one thing...and being good at them is an indicator that you are smart enough to do well......at *that* type of test.

Posted by: wheatie at February 22, 2013 01:28 PM (eyJSG)

83 I was smuggling booze from Canada when I was 8. Smokes at 9.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Tissue at February 22, 2013 01:29 PM (b+zn8)

84 I want to know they have the "good at tests" kind
of recall that means they know the equations necessary to get the
containment unit built correctly so taht we don't all melt into
radioactive puddles the first time someone pushes the ON button.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 22, 2013 01:24 PM (4df7R)

Nobody at a nuclear power plant does anything from memory except go to the bathroom. If they do, and are caught, they may not be fired if the boss is lenient that day.

Posted by: Vic at February 22, 2013 01:29 PM (53z96)

85 Seriously. The republican leadership has joined the democrats. Smash them all.

***

Behind the golden door is even sweeter than Behind the Green Door.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 22, 2013 01:29 PM (XUKZU)

86 The teachings of Confucius was intended to keep the Chinese bureaucratic model working. Not about the individual unless the individual was not operating within specifications.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 22, 2013 01:29 PM (U1VhH)

87
Which helped me at the time as I was selling, among other things, anamnonia-less blueprint duplicator.

I think I know who the ammonia spilling dope was.

Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2013 01:29 PM (GXZgZ)

88 >Those are the only jobs I have had, i don't know if thats good or bad







Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:26 PM (nTgAI)

Hey- you're working.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 22, 2013 01:30 PM (8sCoq)

89 I mean actually make the physical blueprints.>>I used to love the
smell in blueprint copier room just before you passed out."Ah yes, to be
19 years old and changing the ammonia bottle on the Diazo machine for
the first time again. I'm glad I could give a whole office of architects
a good belly laugh.

Posted by: Jaws at February 22, 2013 01:26 PM (4I3Uo)



I used to like the old mimeograph machines in grammar school. We would huff those sheets something fierce when the teacher brought them in.

Posted by: Vic at February 22, 2013 01:30 PM (53z96)

90
"good old vellum "

I was too late for vellum, but caught the dying gasps of rapidiograph ink on mylar before going full AutoCAD. I miss the physical drawing, but not the Diazo papercuts.

Posted by: Jaws at February 22, 2013 01:30 PM (4I3Uo)

91 "Just remember. When you play against Mr. Obama you have to let him win."

Trying to shank a golf ball on purpose is very difficult.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 22, 2013 01:30 PM (b5QQF)

92 Harry Reid owned the "Chicken Shack," a sporting goods store in Searchlight, NV that specialized in custom athletic supporter fittings.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 22, 2013 01:31 PM (+lsX1)

93 The old smarter decent billionaires are dying off and leaving their money to charitable foundations and relatives that never knew Free America or hated it all along. Those kids and Trusts have long ago been hijacked by our betters.
Look at Bill Ayers; Hell look at Obama: They live a Mandarin's lifestyle while devoting their lives to injecting poison into everything they touch. Both are celebrated by the Left. Look at the history of Boards and Foundations; many took a sharp left turn somewhere.
I remember reading a study someone did at an English Prep school. They took about twelve kids aside and appointed them rulers of the students. Then they watched as the kids set up their ruling cabal. The first or second kid I think said they had to first make sure that no other kids were ever allowed to be members of the ruling council. Everyone agreed.

Posted by: Daybrother at February 22, 2013 01:31 PM (EmfNQ)

94 I thought Mrs. Obama was the Wookie you were supposed to let eat on thru to win?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 22, 2013 01:31 PM (U1VhH)

95 Those are the only jobs I have had, i don't know if thats good or bad Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:26 PM (nTgAI) Hey- you're working.
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 22, 2013 01:30 PM (8sCoq)

Yes definintely.. Just wondering how hard it will be to get a job if this gig ends.
Working at the same place so long probably puts you in a bubble

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:31 PM (nTgAI)

96 All Confucius ever really wanted was a government job.

Posted by: Ook? at February 22, 2013 01:31 PM (OQpzc)

97 Truman,
When I read that article last night, I found it kind of liberating.

I mean, it is square on what the problem is: It is not hopeless at all. In fact, right now is the most dangerous time to be a Vichy Republican.

If they won't represent the majority, the majority will find someone who will--inside or outside the system.

We can run these guys out by the end of the year--if we get to work now.

Listened to a black man who was proud--proud!--to be a Republican yesterday.

Look, how hard would it be to hound every elected Republican from dog catcher to Speaker: What makes you proud to be a Republican?

One question John McCain can't/won't answer.
One question John Boehner can't/won't answer.
One question Eric Cantor can't/won't answer.

And on and on and on: Every one of these "leaders" act ashamed of this great party. We have so much history of doing great things and being great people and these fucks act like they need to apologize for daring to belong to such a proud tradition.

It's not the party that is the problem--it's these shitstains of low report who call themselves the leaders who are the problem.

And they want us to hide from being Republicans. Because as long as we act scared and ashamed of belonging to the party that ended slavery, the party that brought about the best post-WWII recovery any economy has ever seen, and on and on--so long as we cower, they can remain safely (well-paid) cowards.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 22, 2013 01:32 PM (VjL9S)

98 but he is one of the ones who got into Harvard bc he was genuinely smart. Smart people aren't wanted or needed in the new aristocracy. and i doubt they are getting into Harvard anymore anyway.

Genuinely smart people are also the kind of people who hear an idea, think about it, and say, "Wait a minute, that doesn't sound right." And the good ones can articulate their contrarian viewpoint in a sensible fashion.

There's a reason the "educated" (in today's world, intelligent) people are always among the first lambs to the slaughter in a tyrannical regime.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 22, 2013 01:32 PM (4df7R)

99
This just in, I just bought a first edition, first print Atlas Shrugged good condition book for $1 at a garage sale.

She had a thing or two to say about these gilded fascists.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 22, 2013 01:33 PM (p/cQy)

100 I dropped roach bait into little plastic cups on an assembly line on the overnight shift because it was the only job I could find at the time. Years later I found this experience quite helpful as an elected official.

Posted by: kqb29 at February 22, 2013 01:33 PM (b1NQB)

101 I work with mechanical engineers every day. It always amazes me how disinterested so many of them are in mechanical things.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 22, 2013 01:33 PM (81UWZ)

102 Ace, these aren't people good at tests, they're good at giving "correct answers". That's a lot different than testing well; in fact, I guarantee few of these people have been truly, well, tested...other than for reflexes, as it were.

A difference in "taking a test" and "being put to the test", as it were. And a very, very critical one.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 22, 2013 01:34 PM (GBXon)

103 99 the garage sale lady?

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Tissue at February 22, 2013 01:34 PM (b+zn8)

104
Work, real work, gives both dignity and value to life.

It is not that "arbeit macht frei!", it is that your work, whatever it is, should confer value not only to what you are doing but is a reflection on who you are as a person. There are really no crummy jobs, just jobs that people perform in a crummy way.

BHO was actually called "lazy" by his own wife sometime in the 2007-08 time frame, although it was supposed to besomewhat in jest.

Just what is the "work product" of his life? What has he ever actually accomplished? He's allegedly written TWO autobiographies (what an interesting guy!), but authored almost nothing else, and worked as a community organizer to shake down people with more money for his own aggrandizement and the alleged help it was supposed to be for a subsidized low income apartment complex.

That's it, besides the time he has been a politician. Is it any wonder the man has such a frankly lousy work ethic as President, and has done virtually NOTHING besides campaign and glad hand his supporters and , of course, play golf?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at February 22, 2013 01:34 PM (RFeQD)

105 Obama plays while America's future darkens.

***

Nero fiddled. Obama golfs.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 22, 2013 01:34 PM (XUKZU)

106 I work with mechanical engineers every day. It always amazes me how disinterested so many of them are in mechanical things.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 22, 2013 01:33 PM (81UWZ)

Ha ! me too. Quirky people them engineers

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:34 PM (nTgAI)

107 Tech is a glamor industry? Whut? Maybe I shouldn't be wearing a ragged old shirt and jeans.

I got a pro-tip for you younguns, job satisfaction is inversely proportional to the glamor of the industry. Working electronic countermeasures on the F-16 was the most suck ass miserable job I ever had.

Posted by: SpongeBob SquareSaget at February 22, 2013 01:35 PM (epxV4)

108 Iron Law of Bureaucracy
Pournelle has suggested several "laws". His first use of the term "Pournelle's law" appears to be for the expression "one user, one CPU." He has also used "Pournelle's law" to apply to the importance of checking cables connections when diagnosing computer problems. His best-known "law" is "Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy":
In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely.
He has restated it as:
...in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: those who work to further the actual goals of the organization, and those who work for the organization itself. Examples in education would be teachers who work and sacrifice to teach children, vs. union representatives who work to protect any teacher including the most incompetent. The Iron Law states that in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization, and will always write the rules under which the organization functions.

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2013 01:35 PM (dBYCN)

109 I should go do plumbing. Fleecing these toads out of $500 to fix a toilet flapper valve should be easy...

Ignorance of the real world should have a price, and that price should be mighty fucking steep indeed.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 22, 2013 01:36 PM (/gHaE)

110 This just in, I just bought a first edition, first print Atlas Shrugged good condition book for $1 at a garage sale.

She had a thing or two to say about these gilded fascists.

***

Westley Mooch lives in Atlas Shrugged.

Weasely Mooch lives in the White House.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 22, 2013 01:36 PM (XUKZU)

111
There's smart. And there's credentialed. Those are two very different things.

"Smart" to me has an element of learning datum, but also includes application of knowledge learned with creativity and problem solving. That talent applies across class and vocation. You can have a very brilliant and talented mechanic, welder or exterminator, just as you can engineer, brain surgeon, or fighter pilot.

On the flipside..... you also have alot of folks running around with advanced degrees behind their names that I wouldn't trust to water my garden.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 22, 2013 01:36 PM (nELVU)

112
Nah, Ms. Rand, but the garage sale lady was probably a looker in her younger years.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 22, 2013 01:37 PM (p/cQy)

113 I should go do plumbing. Fleecing these toads out of $500 to fix a toilet flapper valve should be easy...Ignorance of the real world should have a price, and that price should be mighty fucking steep indeed.
Posted by: @PurpAv at February 22, 2013 01:36 PM (/gHaE)

My boss when I was young used to say;
" You can be stupid or you can be lazy, but you can't be both."

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:37 PM (nTgAI)

114 Kids these days have no chance at getting stints like that. No way
you're going to hire someone at minimum wage who is going to report
their income.


That kind of work, you'd go to prison for hiring someone under 18.

Posted by: HeatherRadish marinating in the zeitgeist at February 22, 2013 01:37 PM (/kI1Q)

115
Tech is a glamor industry? Whut? Maybe I shouldn't be wearing a ragged old shirt and jeans.

I got a pro-tip for you younguns, job satisfaction is inversely proportional to the glamor of the industry. Working electronic countermeasures on the F-16 was the most suck ass miserable job I ever had.


I've only seen that equation from one side but from here I would have to agree.

Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2013 01:37 PM (GXZgZ)

116 Little known historical fact (and apparently appropros of nothing): after Napoleon was crowned emperor, he playedthe greatest chess masters then living in continentalEurope and never lost or drew a game. Not once. He won every time. A record of Napoleon's chess playing activity before he became emperor shows he was at best a pedestrian player, a wood pusher, a patzer. For most of us, these would be empty victories, but the possibility exists that Napoleon convinced himself that he genuinely, fairlydefeated these chess masters.

For some reason, that's what I think about when I think about Obama's obsessive golfplaying.

Posted by: troyriser at February 22, 2013 01:38 PM (vtiE6)

117
But now, there is this new Leftist meme that 'Everyone Should Get An Award'.
'Having valedictorians is bad'.

And yet...they get all giddy about the Academy Awards.

I think we should make them apply their own logic to Hollywood awards.
"Everyone should get an Oscar!"

Posted by: wheatie at February 22, 2013 01:38 PM (eyJSG)

118 "Just remember. When you play against Mr. Obama you have to let him win."

Trying to shank a golf ball on purpose is very difficult.


Tiger probably had to use a ball retriever as his only club.

Posted by: t-bird at February 22, 2013 01:38 PM (FcR7P)

119
All of those things have come in handy doing the rest of the stuff I've done. Why? Because I've seen how things are done out in the real world.

This, this, a thousand times, this.

It's why I rail against this regime: only 19% of TFG's first Cabinat had any business experience, yet they are setting policy for a country who's business was once Business.

They have no idea how the real world operates nor how wealth is created. Nor what ammonia in a Diazo machine smells like.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 22, 2013 01:38 PM (+z4pE)

120 Talking to my lawyer the other day. He told me that to get hired as a law prof at the "upper tier" schools these days, you can't have private-sector experience, i.e., actually worked for a law firm or a (shudder) corporation.

It's the New Scholasticism, folks, where the "learning" is in the form of an endless loop, repeated back and forth unchanged..

Or, as Bob Dylan once said, "Ain't no use you talkin' to me .....same as me, talkin' to you."


Posted by: wholelottasplainin' at February 22, 2013 01:38 PM (o6qwg)

121 Yes definintely.. Just wondering how hard it will be to get a job if this gig ends. Working at the same place so long probably puts you in a bubble
Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:31 PM (nTgAI)


To an extent, but it also shows that you have a solid work ethic, that you've grown from a low skill position to what you have now, which means you're willing to learn, and that your current employer valued you enough to keep you for however long you're there. It speaks a lot to good character, and good character is a valuable quality to any employer regardless of the industry.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 22, 2013 01:38 PM (4df7R)

122 There's smart. And there's credentialed. Those are two very different things.

***

Ivy League universities today are credential factories. Their graduates' problem solving abilities are virtually zilch.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 22, 2013 01:39 PM (XUKZU)

123 116 Napoleon was a legitimately accomplished person though,unlike Baraka.

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2013 01:39 PM (dBYCN)

124 There is a guy in Seattle named Nick Hanauer who is worth a ton and claims to have an annual income in the 8 figures and just cant understand why those evil Republicans refuse to raise his tax rate so he pays more than 10% in taxes..

What I cant understand is I repreatedly explained to him he can pay more if he wants butits because he is choosing to do whatever it takes to keep his tax rate low thats keeping him from paying more. Its almost as if what he says he wants, higher taxes for himself and what his actions say he wants, do not match up.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at February 22, 2013 01:40 PM (C2//T)

125 Weasely & Mooch live in the White House.

Fixed for plural. Also, because I can.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 22, 2013 01:40 PM (GBXon)

126 I've worked at a sub shop, at a RadioShack (damn that shit sucked) and as cart staff at a golf course.



No, none of that taught me any practical skills fro what I do now. (Project Mgr/Estimator) But what it did do is further instruct me in the Lessons of Life. You have boss, you do what he says. Work with others whether you like them or not. Show up on time. Learn the value of the work you're doing. Learn how much the govt fucks you with taxes.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 22, 2013 01:41 PM (da5Wo)

127 Maybe I shouldn't be wearing a ragged old shirt and jeans.

***

Not "old and ragged." "Distressed." That makes it fashion.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 22, 2013 01:41 PM (XUKZU)

128 Pournelle has suggested several "laws". His first use of the term "Pournelle's law" appears to be for the expression "one user, one CPU." He has also used "Pournelle's law" to apply to the importance of checking cables connections when diagnosing computer problems. His best-known "law" is "Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy":

Has he outlined "Pournelle's Law of Self-Referencing Common Sense By Jerry Pournelle of Pournelle's Law Fame" ?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 22, 2013 01:41 PM (Ipj15)

129 Go on...

Posted by: Harry Reid at February 22, 2013 01:41 PM (FsUAO)

130 Not "old and ragged." "Distressed." That makes it fashion.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 22, 2013 01:41 PM (XUKZU)

Go on...


Posted by: Harry Reid at February 22, 2013 01:42 PM (FsUAO)

131 Zombie Kim Jong il finds Obama's golf game lacking.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 22, 2013 01:42 PM (NzBQO)

132 128 He's not responsible for the way the Wiki page is written come on.

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2013 01:42 PM (dBYCN)

133 My worst job was as a survey taker in the mall. Yes, I was one of those people who tried to stop shoppers with, "Excuse me, miss! Do you have a minute to answer a few questions about dishwashing liquid?"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 22, 2013 01:42 PM (4df7R)

134 Has he outlined "Pournelle's Law of Self-Referencing Common Sense By Jerry Pournelle of Pournelle's Law Fame" ?

Pournelle's Rule of Thumb: Whatever your observation, Jerry Pournelle put it better.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 22, 2013 01:43 PM (GBXon)

135 "...more or less deliberately shield their content producers from the money side of things."

This concept is being extended into many other segments of society, Ace- not just schools, think tanks and media. Healthcare is a good example. Who sets the 'price' of an MRI scan? What they either fail to acknowledge or willfully accept, is that they are merely exchanging one signal of value (money) for a much more insidious and arbitrary signal of value (government cronyism).

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 22, 2013 01:43 PM (qqZuQ)

136 133My worst job was as a survey taker in the mall. Yes, I was one of those people who tried to stop shoppers with, "Excuse me, miss! Do you have a minute to answer a few questions about dishwashing liquid?"Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 22, 2013 01:42 PM (4df7R)

You have my respect/condolences.

Posted by: Heralder at February 22, 2013 01:43 PM (+xmn4)

137 My first and worst job was picking peaches. It's hot and peach fuzz gets all over you and is miserable.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 22, 2013 01:44 PM (XUKZU)

138 Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 22, 2013 01:16 PM (VtjlW)


Every choice we make... every thing we write, or say... is filtered through the Prism of our Experience.

I taught a Sat Communications Maintenence course fo the Navy... and one thing we did was actualy Break the dam equipment, and make the students fix it... because book learning does NOT proove you can do the JOB... nor bring the confidence that KNOWING you can do the job gives you...

Washington is inhabited by Hot House Flowers.... pretty... but try to plant them outside... and they die... while we are a bunch of Wildflowers...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 22, 2013 01:45 PM (lZBBB)

139 To an extent, but it also shows that you have a solid work ethic, that you've grown from a low skill position to what you have now, which means you're willing to learn, and that your current employer valued you enough to keep you for however long you're there. It speaks a lot to good character, and good character is a valuable quality to any employer regardless of the industry.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 22, 2013 01:38 PM (4df7R)

Working from the bottom up has helped me stay on through the layoffs. Knowing all levels of an operation sure helps.

I started in the machine shop for $6 hr, 18 years ago. Drilling holes and sweeping.

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:45 PM (nTgAI)

140
Has he outlined "Pournelle's Law of Self-Referencing Common Sense By Jerry Pournelle of Pournelle's Law Fame" ?

ha......Sci-Fi writiers do seem to be like that don't they?

Asimov was the worst.

Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2013 01:45 PM (GXZgZ)

141 I detassled corn in central Ill when I was 14. You want talk about hard shitty work?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 22, 2013 01:45 PM (l86i3)

142 I did some telemarketing,that was pretty bad.

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2013 01:46 PM (dBYCN)

143 137My first and worst job was picking peaches. It's hot and peach fuzz gets all over you and is miserable.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 22, 2013 01:44 PM (XUKZU)


Your worst job was one long innuendo for sex? Awesome!

Posted by: Heralder at February 22, 2013 01:46 PM (+xmn4)

144 I missed the Menendez thread, dadgumit!

So, on this one. It's liberal rich vs capitalist rich?

Posted by: L, elle at February 22, 2013 01:46 PM (0PiQ4)

145 Working from the bottom up has helped me stay on through the layoffs. Knowing all levels of an operation sure helps.

Heck yes. When the guy who works the boiler is out with the flu and it suddenly starts making a weird noise, it's good to have someone else around who you can go to and ask, "Um, WTF is that whistle and are we all going to die?"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 22, 2013 01:46 PM (4df7R)

146 Confucius say, when take test is all you can do you will never really be tested.

Posted by: Confucius, who probably didn't actually say that at February 22, 2013 01:46 PM (RD7QR)

147 He's not responsible for the way the Wiki page is written come on.

Posted by: steevy


The idea of checking cables on a wonky computer is not his idea.

And the suggestion that it is his idea is just fucking stupid.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 22, 2013 01:47 PM (Ipj15)

148
My worst job was as a survey taker in the mall. Yes, I was one of those people who tried to stop shoppers with, "Excuse me, miss! Do you have a minute to answer a few questions about dishwashing liquid?"

ohhh...that's bad. My worst was doing inventory. Just hours standing on your feet in mall somewhere in the middle of the night counting...counting.......

Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2013 01:47 PM (GXZgZ)

149 I detassled corn in central Ill when I was 14. You want talk about hard shitty work?
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 22, 2013 01:45 PM (l86i3)

Oh man, I bet that is right up there with my cleaning bricks job. Working at a grocery store as a teen was cake.

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:47 PM (nTgAI)

150 Check cabling on a device that uses electricity?

MIND. BLOWN.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 22, 2013 01:47 PM (Ipj15)

151 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 22, 2013 01:47 PM (xN73L)

152 I did more than a bit of temp work in my time, and there were two types of temps.

The first was there to do what the contract said. When a lull came when none was available, they usually just sat there quietly. (More recently they tend to chatter on cell phones and act like fools, but that may just be the class of person in temping now.)

The second, when they run out of the assigned work, asks if there's anything else they can help with.

The first, if they do their work well, always has temp assignments in the pipeline.

The second gets hired full-time.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 22, 2013 01:47 PM (GBXon)

153 Looks like that Hanauer guy co-authored a book titled 'The True Patriot' which is a prog propaganda piece about the 'living constitution'. Or something.

Anyway, he got his so that's all that matters. On to helping society 'progress,' as long as it doesn't affect me too much and I can make even more money in the process.

Great gig.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 22, 2013 01:48 PM (zpqa2)

154 At least Pournelle is a conservative and he is legitimately brilliant.He worked as an engineer at Boeing before his writing carrer took off.

Posted by: steevy at February 22, 2013 01:48 PM (dBYCN)

155 Most of the antiwar crowd in my college in NY during the 60s were kids whocould afford the time to protest.They were going to shave and cut their hair after college and go back to their daddys law firm and playing tennis at the club. I on the other hand was one of the college "dish room animals" slopping peoples leftovers into the disposals. Then hitching a ride out to the lumber yard to work on the weekends. These elitistwere followed by a bunch of ignorant doped up sheep who flunked out after a few semesters. They probably still look back and laugh at them.

Posted by: Squidmobile at February 22, 2013 01:48 PM (KgD0C)

156 And this should be proof that Obama has no Marxist leanings. Cultivating, coddling, and grooming the bourgeoisie like this doesn't happen in an ideology that recognizes the bourgeoisie as a hostile and solely self interested class.

Posted by: palooka at February 22, 2013 01:48 PM (iGOu/)

157 "...after Napoleon was crowned emperor, he playedthe greatest chess masters then living in continentalEurope and never lost or drew a game."


Kim Jong Il once checkmated a grand master in one move. True story!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 22, 2013 01:49 PM (qqZuQ)

158 137My first and worst job was picking peaches. It's hot and peach fuzz gets all over you and is miserable.Posted by: WalrusRex at February 22, 2013 01:44 PM (XUKZU)Your worst job was one long innuendo for sex? Awesome!
Posted by: Heralder at February 22, 2013 01:46 PM (+xmn4)

Millions of peaches, peaches for me, millions of peaches peaches for free.

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:49 PM (nTgAI)

159 You make the case for compulsory service. Armed service. Disciplined and, if possible, dangerous service. Or at least with a nearness to the dirt. Bring us a mechanisim where voters have served and much of the churn of our higher dimensionality type of world would be stripped away. The signal would be stronger than the noise if every one of our "citizens" had one important and, if possible, dangerous episode that they shared in common.

Posted by: and irresolute at February 22, 2013 01:49 PM (DBH1h)

160
>§> My first and worst job was picking peaches. It's hot and peach fuzz gets all over you and is miserable.

But you smell like PEACHES and that's SWEET.

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at February 22, 2013 01:49 PM (ZCAlb)

161 Joe Biden's first job was selling "Free Mustache Rides" t-shirts in the 1950's.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 22, 2013 01:50 PM (+lsX1)

162 In for my (for now) daily stop-in.

Actually, I went to a walk-through of a private school to which we're thinking of sending our kids next year. Unless the counselor at the public school tells us some pretty spectacular things about what will happen for our son next year (one of 6 kids in Kindergarten to be accepted into GT, and the only one in his class), we'll probably pull the trigger.

You know, I'd prefer a voucher system, but I'd take being able to write off the cost of private school from my taxes. Of course, that doesn't work in Texas, since we have no state income tax, but we could do something similar, I'm sure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 22, 2013 01:50 PM (xN73L)

163 Posted by: troyriser at February 22, 2013 01:38 PM (vtiE6)

Its historicaly documented that Napoleon used to use 5-7 Secretarys... because he would have them each sitting there, working on different documents... He would dictate a line for one.... then a line for the next... then a line for the next... all the while keeping track of what he said in each one...

Napoleon completly rewrote the entire legal code for France...

I don't know 'how' smart he was.... but to compare him to Obama is a real diservice to Napoleon...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 22, 2013 01:51 PM (lZBBB)

164
'It's hot and peach fuzz gets all over you and is miserable."
Sounds sexy.

Posted by: Squidmobile at February 22, 2013 01:51 PM (KgD0C)

165 The test taking analogy hits home watching my son struggle in school because he thinks beyond what the teacher wants regurgitated. There was a question the other day he got wrong because he answered it based on a wide definition of the word "support" being more than just about money.


On the other hand, areas where you would think the answer is just the answer, like math and science, are now being treated as fuzzy feel good subjects, thoroughly confusing the kids who understand the 2+2 = 4 because it just does.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at February 22, 2013 01:51 PM (RZ8pf)

166 ohhh...that's bad. My worst was doing inventory. Just hours standing on your feet in mall somewhere in the middle of the night counting...counting.......
Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2013 01:47 PM (GXZgZ)


The 'on your feet all night" part would kill me, but at least in the middle of the night you didn't have to deal with shoppers! Silver lining?

One of my favorite jobs was my work/study job at the university library when i was in college. I hated working the circulation desk, but I loved working in the stacks. Shelf reading was a chore-- that's when you look at each book to make sure the LOC numbers were in the right order -- but shelving, revising and book searches were fun.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 22, 2013 01:51 PM (4df7R)

167
Grew up in a small town, first job was washing dishes at a restaurant. I have hated dishes ever since.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 22, 2013 01:51 PM (p/cQy)

168 Confucius say, "Man who fly plane naked soon have hairy crack-up."

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 22, 2013 01:51 PM (zpqa2)

169 AllenG you here?

I watched The Alamo last night. Was that historically accurate? I was forced to take 7th grade Texas History but remember nothing.

Posted by: L, elle at February 22, 2013 01:51 PM (0PiQ4)

170
I started in the machine shop for $6 hr, 18 years ago. Drilling holes and sweeping.

I started in Machine Shop class at 15 in HS. When I turned 16, I got a job running a punch press, where I learned to replace the pins that would break occasionally. Farted around in the restaurant business for a while, then went back to machine shops, where I did a four year Apprenticeship. Then learned (on my own time) CNC programming, QC, and Design.

Despite all this experience, I can't find any work around here and can't afford to move anywhere else. I should be in my prime earning years. I've discovered that the government, should it choose to, can destroy your future with the stroke of a pen.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 22, 2013 01:53 PM (+z4pE)

171 Worst job? Cleaning rotting grain from a silo as a day laborer, which had to be done by hand with shovels and wheelbarrows because of the confined spaces. The stench was the worst I've experienced, and I smelled it for weeks afterward. Whenever I think of that period in my life--the worst period of my life--I think of that horrible smell.

Posted by: troyriser at February 22, 2013 01:53 PM (vtiE6)

172 >
My first and worst job was picking peaches. It's hot and peach fuzz gets all over you and is miserable.


Posted by: WalrusRex at February 22, 2013 01:44 PM (XUKZU)

I submit that home fiberglass insulation installer is a pretty sucky job

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 22, 2013 01:54 PM (8sCoq)

173 Peaches come from a can, they are put there by a man! Hooray someone else who randomly spouts words from that weird song.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at February 22, 2013 01:54 PM (RZ8pf)

174 I watched The Alamo last night. Was that
historically accurate? I was forced to take 7th grade Texas History but
remember nothing.

Posted by: L, elle at February 22, 2013 01:51 PM (0PiQ4)

Depends on which version you watched and whose version of history you read.

Posted by: Vic at February 22, 2013 01:54 PM (53z96)

175 We had a college kid interning in my lab a long time ago.

Anyways he was going for mechanical engineering and appeared to be doing well in school. One day he asked me how to calculate the MPG for his car. Which showed me that he was good at mimicking and memorizing but not good at how to apply it to the real world. He was also deathly afraid of our belt grinder but had no fear of the acids we used for etching.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 22, 2013 01:54 PM (81UWZ)

176 I guess the worst job I ever had was going down to the chicken factory, taking buckets of chicken heads, and popping the lenses out of the eyes. I got paid by the lens so I learned how to do a good job in record time.
Not bad money, as I recall. Not good, but not bad.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2013 01:54 PM (C8mVl)

177 Like many young squaws, Elizabeth Warren's first job was digging prairie turnips for her tribe.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 22, 2013 01:55 PM (+lsX1)

178 Despite all this experience, I can't find any work around here and can't afford to move anywhere else. I should be in my prime earning years. I've discovered that the government, should it choose to, can destroy your future with the stroke of a pen.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 22, 2013 01:53 PM (+z4pE)


It's a pity you can't move up here to NH, BB. Our manufacturers and machine shops can't find anyone qualified to do the work they need done; one of the reasons we're trying to get more manufacturing programs into the career tech centers.

How far afield have you looked?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 22, 2013 01:55 PM (4df7R)

179 That is, clever at Pleasing Teacher but never profound, never daring.

This describes every nitwit who enrolled in any [fill in the name of an aggrieved minority here] "Studies" program and received a degree therefrom, at any level. Chatty, mindless mynah birds, every one...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 22, 2013 01:56 PM (Jcd0S)

180 started in the machine shop for $6 hr, 18 years ago. Drilling holes and sweeping. I started in Machine Shop class at 15 in HS. When I turned 16, I got a job running a punch press, where I learned to replace the pins that would break occasionally. Farted around in the restaurant business for a while, then went back to machine shops, where I did a four year Apprenticeship. Then learned (on my own time) CNC programming, QC, and Design.Despite all this experience, I can't find any work around here and can't afford to move anywhere else. I should be in my prime earning years. I've discovered that the government, should it choose to, can destroy your future with the stroke of a pen.
Ha ! I learned programming on my own as well, to get out of the shop. I then did a 2 year manufacturing enginnering program at UCLA at night. Worked as an MEAfter that I eventually ended up in supply chain.

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:56 PM (nTgAI)

181
Worst job? Cleaning rotting grain from a silo as a day laborer, which had to be done by hand with shovels and wheelbarrows because of the confined spaces. The stench was the worst I've experienced, and I smelled it for weeks afterward. Whenever I think of that period in my life--the worst period of my life--I think of that horrible smell.

Ah yes...the old limbic system at work.

Posted by: eleven at February 22, 2013 01:56 PM (GXZgZ)

182 Yesterday our local rag had a letter to the editor bitching about conservatives wanting to gut school spending, and this guy was talking about his special little snowflake of a granddaughter who has to struggle with 24 kids in her class. After reading this, I went and found my kindergarten class picture from 40+ years ago, and even with 4-5 classmates missing, their were 26 of us in the class. All my classes had 30-35 students in them, and we got a hell of a better education than the little shits coming along today.

But what gets me about these new mandarins is the disdain they have for the American public. They go to Starbucks because only a college educated barista can fix coffee correctly. I hate to tell them that the only difference between what they do at Starbucks and what the cashier at 7-11 does is that the cashier at 7-11 actually understands that their customers are the reason for their paychecks, and don't mind being nice to their customers.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 22, 2013 01:57 PM (Zd/NW)

183 Yeah the Gilded Class Warriors...our party needs to start punishing the billionaires hard and make our populist case.

I respect the fuck out of the moral rich I really do, but basically George Soros et al are buying the world cheap by buying Democrats cheap.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 22, 2013 01:58 PM (LRFds)

184 Vic

It was the one recent one with Billy Bob Thornton as Davy Crockett. I didn't see it when it came out bc Texas grumbled at the time, but it was on tv last night and it kept my attention.

Posted by: L, elle at February 22, 2013 01:58 PM (0PiQ4)

185 I guess the worst job I ever had was going down to the chicken factory, taking buckets of chicken heads, and popping the lenses out of the eyes. I got paid by the lens so I learned how to do a good job in record time. Not bad money, as I recall. Not good, but not bad.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2013 01:54 PM (C8mVl)

Damn !

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:59 PM (nTgAI)

186 BTW you can probably count the number of movies about past events that are historically accurate on one hand. And I am not talking about throwing in a hawt lady for a side romance angle.

Posted by: Vic at February 22, 2013 01:59 PM (53z96)

187 41 DC in Towson,

believe me I know where you're coming from brother, envy is a sin and it is baseline 1st Marxist Commandment....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 22, 2013 01:59 PM (LRFds)

188 160 >§> My first and worst job was picking peaches. It's hot and peach fuzz gets all over you and is miserable. But you smell like PEACHES and that's SWEET.
Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at February 22, 2013 01:49 PM (ZCAlb)

*******

I picked peaches (among other orchard jobs) when I was in high school. Being paid by the bushel worked well for some people, not so much for me. I liked peaches too much, and would usually spend about 10 minutes out of every hour eating a nice, big, tree-ripened peach. My first perk!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 22, 2013 01:59 PM (qqZuQ)

189 It was the one recent one with Billy Bob Thornton
as Davy Crockett. I didn't see it when it came out bc Texas grumbled at
the time, but it was on tv last night and it kept my attention.

Posted by: L, elle at February 22, 2013 01:58 PM (0PiQ4)

I haven't seen that one.

Posted by: Vic at February 22, 2013 01:59 PM (53z96)

190 174 Vic,

I enjoyed the movie if you mean the Billy Bob Thorton version...

his David Crockett was an amazing performance, and I respected their trying to thread the needle between Texas' vital myth and the record such as it is....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 22, 2013 02:00 PM (LRFds)

191 185 --- LOL! That was a real job, BTW. I was selling them to medical researchers.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2013 02:00 PM (C8mVl)

192 I worked on a golf course ground-keeping crew for a few summers during college. During the school year, I worked in the plumbing department at Lowe's. I've waited tables, worked in a picture framing store and flipped burgers.

After college I joined the service, and now that I'm out, I work for the government, doing work I enjoy (CID for an Inspector General's office). Maybe that makes me a leech on the taxpayer, but I try to put in more than I take out.

Those years of working menial, trivial and backbreaking jobs did more than motivate me to go to college, join the service and advance myself - they helped me APPRECIATE the people who do those jobs now.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 22, 2013 02:01 PM (fwARV)

193 189 Vic,

Here you are good sir...

it is in fact a treat...

"I'm a screamer..."

http://youtu.be/arDP-SE5WIc

Alamo (0024) Full Movie

Posted by: sven10077 at February 22, 2013 02:01 PM (LRFds)

194 Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:59 PM (nTgAI)

To what purpose where the chickens' eye lenses put?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 22, 2013 02:02 PM (Jcd0S)

195 and Vic....

I'm glad you're here.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 22, 2013 02:02 PM (LRFds)

196 his David Crockett was an amazing performance, and I
respected their trying to thread the needle between Texas' vital myth
and the record such as it is....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 22, 2013 02:00 PM (LRFds)


Don't tell me you believe that Mexican clap trap.

Posted by: Vic at February 22, 2013 02:03 PM (53z96)

197
How far afield have you looked?

Well, since my 22-yr-old pickup truck is currently not running (needs an ECU, which is another $150 I don't have), I'm restricted to the CentFL area. I keep hoping that my wide range of experience listed would land me a gig somewhere, but being funemployed for the past 5 years seems to be working against me.

There used to be machine shops everywhere down here. Not anymore. Oh, Lockheed-Martin had an ad for a Toolmaker online a couple of months ago. I'm a Certified Toolmaker. I didn't get a call. How many CT's are there that I can't even get called into an interview?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 22, 2013 02:04 PM (+z4pE)

198 From section 18 of George's farewell speech (pointed to by an earlier thread here), I find this parallel to the topic at hand.
18 However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people, and to usurp for themselves the reins of government; destroying afterwards the very engines, which have lifted them to unjust dominion.
George knew.

Posted by: and irresolute at February 22, 2013 02:04 PM (DBH1h)

199 and popping the lenses out of the eyes

I have a hunch I don't want to know what the lenses were used for.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 22, 2013 02:04 PM (GBXon)

200 I watched The Alamo last night. Was that historically accurate? I was
forced to take 7th grade Texas History but remember nothing.


The Billy Bob Thorton one isn't bad. They made up some stuff, and changed others. Mostly cosmetic, I think. For example, I think they exagurated the conflict between Wm. Travis and David Bowie. They weren't best buddies, but I never read in history where they were actively antagonistic to each other, and that's what the movie suggests. Also, the fiddle scene (while awesome) is completely made up.

Other than that, it's probably the best version I've seen. Up to and including the slaves discussing how they would survive the battle when Santa Anna's troops finally breached the walls. (We know that something like that conversation happened (via Daughters of the Texas Revolution) because one of the few survivors was a slave who escaped and admitted that was how he did it).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 22, 2013 02:06 PM (xN73L)

201 Never had a job which would qualify for "Dirty Jobs", but I did work in the dish room of my dorm's cafeteria for two-plus years.

What it showed me above all else was how spoiled we are by the abundance of food in this country. The crap students would pull to cement dishes together with food items and the amount of wasted food was simply staggering.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 22, 2013 02:06 PM (Jcd0S)

202 Hey, MWR, does your company want to expand into FL? I've run shops before...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 22, 2013 02:07 PM (+z4pE)

203 196 Vic,

as opposed to John Wayne?

Please watch the film it is a lot more fair than the relfexivve action...

Juan Pablo said Crockett died a pussy and that was not true...it is also not true he had 47 dead Mexicans around his corpse.

The average Mexican was not a monster, and I'm not accusing you of buying into that and Crockett was an amazing man in his likely real ebdeavor.

The founders of Texas like America's were not angels and in many ways failed to live up their ideals...we all do at times Vic in trying to grow and live up to the men and women we dream to be we are often guilty of setting the mark very high. Failing to meet your wished for perfections does not mean you are a monstrous failure in my eyes. Crockett died trying to assert Constitutional governance on the Texas nation.

He died well and nobly whether John Wayne or on his knees begging a sonofabitch bastard who used their shared Masonic membership to beg Sam Houston for his life later who Crockett knew massacred whole towns.

Either man is man enough for me.

Crockett reminds me a LOT of Wild Bill Hickock an exceptional man rendered a god who probably felt trapped by his "godhood."

Anyway it is worth a watch IMHO.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 22, 2013 02:08 PM (LRFds)

204 200 Allen G,

my red as well, although this clip which is record is AWESOME....

http://youtu.be/a7F3r7dWpV0

"wind kicked up"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 22, 2013 02:10 PM (LRFds)

205 allen G *read* rather....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 22, 2013 02:10 PM (LRFds)

206 George knew.

Posted by: and irresolute at February 22, 2013 02:04 PM (DBH1h)

I am convinced he was a prophet.
The Founders all knew they could only approach a perfect design, most notably expressed by Adams and Franklin when they referred to the responsibility of the people to keep from destroying the system.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 22, 2013 02:11 PM (zpqa2)

207 Yeah I was talking about how the Mexican guy said he died begging for his life.

Posted by: Vic at February 22, 2013 02:13 PM (53z96)

208 206 Hannity's Hybrid,

Yeah I am gonna go piss on Any Jackson, Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and LBJ's graves....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 22, 2013 02:13 PM (LRFds)

209 207 Vic,

I don't think that was accurate and was disinfo....

oddly i suspect that "begging" was Crockett invoking Masonic comity being denied it, saying I am a recently retired Congress critter, and Santa Anna weighingthe benefit and killing him to show what a badass he was...

I don't think Crockett bitched out.....

and even if he did there but for the grace of God go I...in Sam Houston's shes I would have killed the bastard after San Jacinto....

it is why I am an average man striving to be good and Sam Houston like General Washington was a good man often great.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 22, 2013 02:16 PM (LRFds)

210 It was the one recent one with Billy Bob Thornton as Davy Crockett. I didn't see it when it came out bc Texas grumbled at the time, but it was on tv last night and it kept my attention.

I loved that movie. One of the few movies I actually own. It does have some inaccuracies and does follow a particular interpretation of the evidence that is a bit controversial when dealing with Crockett's end, but overall it seems very fair to both sides. It certainly is not Mexican propaganda, as some have claimed before and after its release - particularly if youinclude some of the scenes that were deleted from the theater version concerning Santa Anna's "marriage."

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 22, 2013 02:16 PM (c9rJ5)

211 Slightly off-topic but check out this gun-cabinet-hidden-behind-a-bookcase build:

http://tinyurl.com/aavmy98

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at February 22, 2013 02:18 PM (eYY34)

212 There's a reason the "educated" (in today's world, intelligent) people
are always among the first lambs to the slaughter in a tyrannical
regime.


Preach it, brother.

Posted by: Leon Trotsky at February 22, 2013 02:19 PM (YXmuI)

213 210 Grey Fox,

if you ever come across the unabridged audio book of the screenplay buy it it is a treat and has even more left on the cutting room floor showing that Santa Anna was not the superhero the Mexicans claim either....

Ohio is home and has been for my line since the 1790s, but if Ohio is mother Texas is my favorite Aunt....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 22, 2013 02:19 PM (LRFds)

214 Here's the direct link to the build-log with great pics:

http://___ur.com/a/kDMNu

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at February 22, 2013 02:20 PM (eYY34)

215 211 Brian in N'walins,


never offtopic my friend...

although I'd ruminate over some lead shielding perhaps.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 22, 2013 02:21 PM (LRFds)

216 Minx butchered the direct URL.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at February 22, 2013 02:22 PM (eYY34)

217 I am convinced he was a prophet. ... ...
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 22, 2013 02:11 PM (zpqa2)

He certainly knew men. He understood shared suffering and shared weaknesses. He would be shouted down in this age, from every corner of the room, except by thoseof the type AOSHQ.

Posted by: and irresolute at February 22, 2013 02:22 PM (DBH1h)

218 @176
Gotta ask. What possible reason could there be for this job?

Posted by: pep at February 22, 2013 02:22 PM (YXmuI)

219 'It's hot and peach fuzz gets all over you and is miserable."

You sure you're not describing a night with Bob Menendez?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 22, 2013 02:24 PM (zF6Iw)

220 "...and also scorn what they're not good at, this cadre of decisionmakers will tend to scorn everyone who isn't similarly conformist and bureaucratically-minded."

This also leads to them (1) not understanding how businesses and markets work and how the people participating in business (making a normal living) think, (2) discounting the input, ironically, of many who know firsthand the most about how the economy works in real life, and (3) not hesitating when they need to fund some new government program they deem appropriate by another little tax hike on us rubes.

Examples: (1) In the runup to Hilarycare, Ms. Clinton was mightily offended when a panelist queried herabout one aspect: 'Why not let the market decide that?'. She replied that, no, it absolutely needs to be decided by a government technocrat. It just doesn't connect with these people.

(2) Obama's "You didn't build that." diatribe. I don't care about the parsing. If you listen to the whole thing it is totally, utterly obvious that he has little knowledge of, and even less respect, for businesses and the people who have built them.

Posted by: RM at February 22, 2013 02:31 PM (/Frlf)

221
>>>I detassled corn in central Ill when I was 14. You want talk about hard shitty work?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book
Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 22, 2013 01:45 PM (l86i3)<<<

_____

Hoeing, suckering, toping and cutting tobacco was always fun work. Then you could put it up,strip it, tie it in hands and haul it to auction if you wanted some more jollies.

Posted by: Javems at February 22, 2013 02:35 PM (nTgAI)

222 "Work Hard. Play Hard," I always say.

Posted by: King Barry of the Fuckknuckles at February 22, 2013 02:44 PM (WM+rJ)

223 194 Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:59 PM (nTgAI)

"To what purpose where the chickens' eye lenses put?"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 22, 2013 02:02 PM (Jcd0S)

Medical research. The guy I collected them for was studying the embryology of the eye, specifically something to do with the proliferation of certain enzymes and whatever that had to do with the formation of new cells.
He would take the lenses and basically grind them up. Then he would spin them in a centrifuge and extract some stuff. That stuff he would freeze. (My memory is fuzzy here, but I think paraffin was involved here too.) Then he would slice the waxy stuff into super-thin disks and look at it under an e-microscope..
As you can easily tell, I myself did not understand much, although he was kind enough to invite me into his lab and show me what he was doing.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2013 02:45 PM (C8mVl)

224 218 @176Gotta ask. What possible reason could there be for this job?
Posted by: pep at February 22, 2013 02:22 PM (YXmuI)

I ran several Google searches, going 15 pages deep on each occasion out of curiosity, and I found nothing.

Posted by: and irresolute at February 22, 2013 02:46 PM (DBH1h)

225 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2013 02:45 PM (C8mVl)

Ah! Yes, I saw lots of that. I was looking for something easier to digest. Had to do with some crystaline garbeldeegoop that I was NOT going to explore! LoL!

Posted by: and irresolute at February 22, 2013 02:49 PM (DBH1h)

226 225 ---
I wish I remembered more, not that I understood it that well even at the time.
IIRC, the work also involved observation of STAGES of growth so that you could see how things changed after time elapsed. (All of which makes sense when you consider that the guy was an embryologist.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2013 03:08 PM (C8mVl)

227 My first job was in fourth grade, delivering the local weekly newspaper.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at February 22, 2013 03:41 PM (hLRSq)

228 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 22, 2013 02:45 PM (C8mVl)

The paraffin was used to make a 'slide mount', which means that what he was looking at was encased in wax so it wouldn't flow all over the place and stay stationary. I made thin slices of a rat's brain in a similar manner back in college. I drilled through its skull and implanted electrodes to make it dance....for the children!

Posted by: model_1066 at February 22, 2013 04:16 PM (7xPCu)

229 I think McArdle still misses the point. It isn't that the people we are turning out are good at takings tests or are conformists that is the problem. It is that they are being taught stuff that is utter and obvious bullshit. If our universities were pumping out people who understood markets and the principles on which the country is based we would be in fine shape. They are doing just the opposite, so we suffer the consequences.

McArdle wants to pin all of this on these people being too smart for their own good... being too clever at anticipating what is wanted from them They may indeed be smart but that doesn't preclude them from also being completely ignorant. Nor does it preclude the source of that ignorance being their education.

Posted by: Voluble at February 22, 2013 04:35 PM (qYvEa)

230 95 Those are the only jobs I have had, i don't know if thats good or bad Posted by: The Jackhole at February 22, 2013 01:26 PM (nTgAI) Hey- you're working. Posted by: Jones in CO at February 22, 2013 01:30 PM (8sCoq) Yes definintely.. Just wondering how hard it will be to get a job if this gig ends. Working at the same place so long probably puts you in a bubble
Hey, Jackhole. You are in supply chain for the oilgas industry? 18 years. Hell, as long as they are still drilling for the stuff, you won't have trouble finding work.

Posted by: Cave Bear at February 22, 2013 05:08 PM (uMihF)






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The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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