The Fallows Principle

If you've been following this story (I have only heard about it), Breitbart's Ben Shapiro posted a story claiming that -- or posing the question if -- Chuck Hagel was avoiding disclosing any donations from a group called "Friends of Hamas."

He's being kicked around a lot for it. Turns out, there is no "Friends of Hamas."

But this Taranto piece informs me of something I didn't know: the tip came originally from a New York Daily News reporter who asked that question; he clarifies now, he meant it as hyperbole.

Taranto notes that lefties fall for hoax stories all the time-- but they never seem to dwell on those. They just quickly change the subject. James Fallows, for example, falls for the most obvious of photoshop images -- and yet no one on the left ever says boo about his extreme gullibility when presented with liberal-bait.

Corrected: JDP says I read the story wrong, and he's right. I've corrected. The reporter didn't plant a hoax, he just asked a question he says was a joke. I'm guessing here, but what I think then happened was this: Because this reporter was asking about the "Friends of Hamas," someone then contacted Shapiro saying "A reporter's asking about the Friends of Hamas." And thus, a story.


Posted by: Ace at 06:50 PM



Comments

1 So why is Hagel avoiding disclosing anything else in his memos to that university?

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 06:52 PM (doBIb)

2 I thought they figured out the hoax was not a hoax

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 21, 2013 06:52 PM (nTgAI)

3 i thought the NYDN reporter just mentioned it as a joke

not in writing

Posted by: JDP at February 21, 2013 06:53 PM (60GaT)

4 Wait "Friends of Hamas is fake?What about "The Human Fund"?

Posted by: steevy at February 21, 2013 06:53 PM (9XBK2)

5 Hoax, Hagel, Hamas

I must have made a mistake

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 21, 2013 06:54 PM (nTgAI)

6 Doesn't anybody check anything anymore?

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 21, 2013 06:55 PM (6H6o8)

7 Yeah I read that but so, hagel did receive moneys from pro Iranian groups and many many anti- Israel groups. He speaking list is like a who's who of let's drive Israel into the Sea.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 06:55 PM (9Bj8R)

8 it pays to be the legacy media....

and quite frankly there ARE friends of Hamas just like there were friends of the IRA not called 'friends of the IRA'....

Ace we need a private intelligence agency to pay people 50-100 bucks a pop for intel IMHO and have handlers who act as collation points reporting to regional directors.....

the democrats call that 'the civil service"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 06:55 PM (LRFds)

9 The Hariri foundation, the two pro Iranian front groups, at least two of the Saudi companies, the Turkish Military College, are all pro Hamas,

Posted by: archie goodwin at February 21, 2013 06:57 PM (Jsiw/)

10 They got McConnell this week with a hoax story too. I sense a pattern here...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 21, 2013 06:57 PM (9+ccr)

11 Maybe journalists shouldn't be spending their time hoaxing people... Maybe.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 21, 2013 06:57 PM (kYKEk)

12 He probably a friend of Calotta...

Posted by: Catmman at February 21, 2013 06:58 PM (C8XlI)

13 Flaming Sad-eyed Seal hardest hit.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at February 21, 2013 06:59 PM (ndlFj)

14 Rubio took a sip of water! Career ender...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 21, 2013 06:59 PM (9+ccr)

15 This asshole does not even know ( with out carl levin moving his mouth) out policy on Iran and he also thinks we are doing a bang up job talking to North Korea? This guy is not qualified to even clean my toilet

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 06:59 PM (9Bj8R)

16 Hamas is basically the Ikhwan in the Holy Land though. Obama and the Democrats love the Ikhwan... enough to give them a giant country!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 21, 2013 07:00 PM (kYKEk)

17 So journalists are not just biased in favor of one party, they don't just accept that party's lies, they lie to set traps to attempt to discredit the other side.

Tell me about how there's no media bias again, motherfucker, I God damn dare you.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 21, 2013 07:00 PM (bxiXv)

18 i read the article and it doesn't sound like anything was "planted." it sounded like it was some douchey joke posed as a question, that Breitbart should have checked before running with

stupid distraction all in all considering that Hagel is objectively pro-Hamas anyway, i.e. incredibly naive about the prospects of negotiations that include groups like that

Posted by: JDP at February 21, 2013 07:01 PM (60GaT)

19 "17 So journalists are not just biased in favor of one party, they don't just accept that party's lies, they lie to set traps to attempt to discredit the other side.

Tell me about how there's no media bias again, motherfucker, I God damn dare you.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 21, 2013 07:00 PM (bxiXv) "

Just goes to show how independent they are... :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 21, 2013 07:01 PM (kYKEk)

20 6---" Doesn't anybody check anything anymore?"
Posted by: kathysaysso at February 21, 2013 06:55 PM (6H6o

I guess not. It's supposed to be the Information Age but seems more like the Disinformation Age to me.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 21, 2013 07:02 PM (C8mVl)

21 York Daily News reporter who planted that false story, as a hoax.

interesting, so YDN plants false info . to help shmear those that know Hagel is irresponsible on Foreign policy ?

so that His irresponsible past other than the hoax is forgotten in the new meme?

pretty deceptive


suprised face.

Posted by: ette at February 21, 2013 07:02 PM (nqBYe)

22 May they all go the way of NBC/NYT...Go to hell and die....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 21, 2013 07:02 PM (9+ccr)

23 MFM delenda est.

First thing in the morning, every day.

Because lies are bad for little children and other people (except journalists and democrats, BIRM).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 21, 2013 07:02 PM (bxiXv)

24 Doesn't anybody check anything anymore?


Posted by: kathysaysso

Now that it's easier than ever... no.

Posted by: Dang at February 21, 2013 07:03 PM (R18D0)

25 mfm sucks .

but they will continue to do so and we will mourn and watch truth forever be lost .


or?

Posted by: ette at February 21, 2013 07:03 PM (nqBYe)

26 o YDN plants false info . to help shmear those that know Hagel is irresponsible on Foreign policy

ISWYDT

Posted by: pep at February 21, 2013 07:04 PM (6TB1Z)

27 Considering that there actually does exist an organization calling itself "al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade," "Friends of Hamas" sounds pretty genuine.

None of that changes the fact that Mitt Romney was, immediately upon being sworn in, going to ban tampons.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's hi-cap assault diaphragm at February 21, 2013 07:04 PM (7xeJQ)

28 Former Sen. Chuck Hagel declined to sign a letter circulated by Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) in 2007 calling upon then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to press Arab allies of the U.S. to recognize Israel’s right to exist “and not use such recognition as a bargaining chip for future Israeli concessions.”
Seventy-nine Senators eventually signed the letter, which was sponsored by Schumer and by Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC).
The Schumer-Graham letter “concerning the Responsibilities of Friendly Arab States” has not, apparently, been cited yet in the debate over Hagel’s potential confirmation as Secretary of Defense. The letter also calls upon Arab allies to “take meaningful steps” to assist the Palestinian Authority, to stop supporting terror groups, to end the Arab states’ boycott of Israel, and to push Hamas to recognize Israel and past peace agreements.
The most charitable explanation for Hagel’s refusal to sign might be that the letter differs from the terms of the 2002 Arab Peace Initiative, which Hagel has praised, and which offered Israel recognition in exchange for full withdrawal to its 1967 borders.
Hagel has also claimed he did not sign such letters unless they were directed to the President, but he failed to join 96 Senators in a critical pro-Israel letter to President Bill Clinton in 2000.

Sounds pretty hamasy to me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 07:04 PM (9Bj8R)

29 "25 mfm sucks .

but they will continue to do so and we will mourn and watch truth forever be lost .


or?

Posted by: ette at February 21, 2013 07:03 PM (nqBYe) "

We need to find a 17-year old male who watches TV and get him to go to the police. :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 21, 2013 07:05 PM (kYKEk)

30 Hagel is just going to be another POS piece of obamas' cabinet...Who's going to notice at this point? By the way with obama in charge why don't they just go ahead and dis-band Congress and the Senate.....Who need um?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 21, 2013 07:05 PM (9+ccr)

31
It wasn't "Friends of Hamas"

It was "Friends of Ham Sammiches"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 21, 2013 07:05 PM (Jcd0S)

32 or?

Posted by: ette at February 21, 2013 07:03 PM (nqBYe)


Do unto them as they do unto us. Drag out their dirty past. Recite to them the lies they tell instead of answering their damned fool question. Shout louder than they shout at us. Stop cooperating with them, don't call them friends because they're not, never go to their cocktail parties. And never, ever let them run debates again.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 21, 2013 07:06 PM (bxiXv)

33 CNN: 'PRIVATE GRUMBLING' AMONG DEMOCRATS ABOUT HAGEL


private ain't gonna cut it cowards

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 07:06 PM (9Bj8R)

34 24 Dang,

Don't laugh Ace had a very cogent post on the issue of "cheapness of data valuation thanks to ease of access" and I have been lamenting it since I broke down and got an Android.

We live in a truly magical era and people who are inclined have access to the perusal of data sets that once took a literal half lifetime to endeavor to audit and if a person has been trained to look and has been conditioned to have that hunger they are POWERFUL minds because of it....

and Candy Crowley got away with an easily demonstrable lie, and the VP moderator allowed Biden to lie about Iran's TO+E that could be denuded in 5 minutes of binging.....

and people are too fucking lazy to look.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:06 PM (LRFds)

35 None of that changes the fact that Mitt Romney was, immediately upon being sworn in, going to ban tampons.


Economic growth, prosperity and full employment are all well and good, but I really needed the tampons.

Posted by: Julia at February 21, 2013 07:06 PM (8ZskC)

36 Ha ha!

Suckerz!!1!

Posted by: The Mainstream Media at February 21, 2013 07:06 PM (Vk2pI)

37 "27 Considering that there actually does exist an organization calling itself "al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade," "Friends of Hamas" sounds pretty genuine.

None of that changes the fact that Mitt Romney was, immediately upon being sworn in, going to ban tampons.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's hi-cap assault diaphragm at February 21, 2013 07:04 PM (7xeJQ) "

"al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade" makes perfect sense within the context of Islam.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 21, 2013 07:06 PM (kYKEk)

38 None of that changes the fact that Mitt Romney was, immediately upon being sworn in, going to ban tampons.


****

I was looking forward to men in smoking jackets and women in pearls.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 21, 2013 07:07 PM (piMMO)

39 "...and here, for the 237th time, is that video of Marco Rubio taking a sip from a water bottle."

Posted by: The f'ing MFM at February 21, 2013 07:07 PM (pcgW1)

40 Rubio took a sip of water! Career ender...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 21, 2013 06:59 PM (9+ccr)


We'er the kingmakers, baby!!1!

Posted by: The Mainstream Media at February 21, 2013 07:07 PM (Vk2pI)

41 And... a new Capital One ad with the ragemeister just aired.

Nothing touches a lib.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 21, 2013 07:08 PM (piMMO)

42
If only we had some loose organization of people who could, oh I don't know, maybe ask some questions and stuff like that there.

They could even find out What Actually Happened. There's a name for that, I think. Truff, trough, trout, something that starts with t and r.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 07:09 PM (+z4pE)

43 "30 Hagel is just going to be another POS piece of obamas' cabinet...Who's going to notice at this point? By the way with obama in charge why don't they just go ahead and dis-band Congress and the Senate.....Who need um?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 21, 2013 07:05 PM (9+ccr) "

Congress is old fashioned. Obama should pass all legislation using Facebook and Twitter!



The future. It's here, bitches!

(In your mouth.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 21, 2013 07:09 PM (kYKEk)

44 so should drudge or breitbart print false claims and if repeated by news, say
Woops
point and laugh?

Merovign i agree with that.
how do we start?

Posted by: ette at February 21, 2013 07:09 PM (nqBYe)

45 And obama has taken his pitiful show to every podunk radio station/tv station whining about the republicans sequester and how they only care about the rich..... Makes me want to scream!

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 21, 2013 07:09 PM (9+ccr)

46 private ain't gonna cut it cowards

We all looked at the situation and concluded that the preference cascade was happening, and with good reason. We lost, but it is ridiculous to assume it won't ever happen. We misjudged the timing, but these chickens are coming home to roost. Idiots like the above Dems won't see it coming, but they sense the vibrations in the rails, and know deep down that it will eventually hit them like a freight train.

Posted by: pep at February 21, 2013 07:09 PM (6TB1Z)

47 "31
It wasn't "Friends of Hamas"

It was "Friends of Ham Sammiches"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 21, 2013 07:05 PM (Jcd0S) "

'Friends of Hummus.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 21, 2013 07:10 PM (kYKEk)

48 If only we had some loose organization of people who could, oh I don't know, maybe ask some questions and stuff like that there.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 07:09 PM (+z4pE)


That's just crazy talk.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 21, 2013 07:10 PM (bxiXv)

49 Nothing touches a lib.

I will.

Posted by: SMOD at February 21, 2013 07:10 PM (N2yhW)

50 I'm not crazy about garbanzo beans.

Posted by: sTevo at February 21, 2013 07:10 PM (L1YgQ)

51 41 Yep,as we know ,a Democrat can head a local branch of the KKK but if an R makes so much as an off color joke(or not even,"macacca"?) he is finished forever.

Posted by: steevy at February 21, 2013 07:11 PM (9XBK2)

52 Taranto also notes that lefties fall for hoax stories all the time

That Daily Current. God bless 'em.

Attention Hobbitopoly--you are the latest Moron to get your Twitter account hacked.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking heavily at February 21, 2013 07:11 PM (hO8IJ)

53 44 ette,

we organize and empower a Lee Atwater to use a slush fund to create a network...and those of us who are being made borderline shut ins for rage at this mess need to send 20 bucks to Lee Atwater version 2.0 whenever we can....

we dust off the plumbers and ratfuck the bastards.....

I WISH "Darth Rove were the Mirror Universe Karl Rove we once joked upon.

I'd go kneel before Dick Cheney's WarCock if he had the heart and time left to really take on this party's weak sisters and fight.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:11 PM (LRFds)

54 Merovign i agree with that.
how do we start?

Posted by: ette at February 21, 2013 07:09 PM (nqBYe)


The problem is *we* can do it all day long, and maybe we get noticed once or not.

The stupid, servile, lickspittle politicians who fear for their pensions and revolving door jobs are the ones who have to do it.

We or some of us can do research for them, but I'm not going to be on Meet the Presstitutes tomorrow.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 21, 2013 07:11 PM (bxiXv)

55 Reporting for duty! *steps into trash can and sprays self in face with seltzer bottle - hilarity ensues*

Posted by: Private Grumbling at February 21, 2013 07:12 PM (R18D0)

56 How quickly they forget one of their own saying Sarah Palin was going to join Al Jazeera...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 21, 2013 07:12 PM (CA2NO)

57 43 MUMR,

Imagine how scary it would be if after the implosion one of the Baby Bell nations does go full tard American idol duh-mocracy....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:13 PM (LRFds)

58 Dick Cheney was actually quite a moderate.Except on national security.

Posted by: steevy at February 21, 2013 07:13 PM (9XBK2)

59 "45 And obama has taken his pitiful show to every podunk radio station/tv station whining about the republicans sequester and how they only care about the rich..... Makes me want to scream!

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 21, 2013 07:09 PM (9+ccr) "

Obama only cares about the Mitch (a.k.a. Sweetie).



(Not really. He's more into Jay Carney.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 21, 2013 07:13 PM (kYKEk)

60 I can see Russia from my house. Hell lots of people think this is true.

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 21, 2013 07:13 PM (nTgAI)

61 A group of Christian priests from a local Coptic church in Egypt were told to convert to Islam or face death, according to an Arabic news site.

The incident, which comes in the midst of continued persecution and pressure on Egypt’s Christian community, took place this week in the town of Safaga, near the Red Sea, the El Balad site reported.

According to El Balad, the threats are from a new group in Egypt, Jihad al-Kufr, whose name translates to Jihad against non-believers or non-Muslims. The group targets non-Muslims, and reportedly pressures them to convert to Islam.

Well if the joos are next I got no problem with that

Posted by: C Hagel at February 21, 2013 07:13 PM (9Bj8R)

62 56
How quickly they forget one of their own saying Sarah Palin was going to join Al Jazeera...

That's different! Don't you know she said she could see Russia from her house...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 21, 2013 07:13 PM (9+ccr)

63 SO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 07:14 PM (9Bj8R)

64 Jew want some Hamas?

Posted by: senator bhagel at February 21, 2013 07:14 PM (ORGYc)

65 "51 41 Yep,as we know ,a Democrat can head a local branch of the KKK but if an R makes so much as an off color joke(or not even,"macacca"?) he is finished forever.

Posted by: steevy at February 21, 2013 07:11 PM (9XBK2) "

That's the Vitter truth. :-(

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 21, 2013 07:15 PM (kYKEk)

66 That's different! Don't you know she said she could see Russia from her house...


Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 21, 2013 07:13 PM (9+ccr)


*SNICKER*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 21, 2013 07:15 PM (CA2NO)

67 54 Mero,

It all gets back to what I outlined, we need to become to a degree what we have beheld as we once did to thwart the Donks undercutting the cold war.....

you and I may never get on MtP or Hard-balled but an empowere Darth Elephant who exerted genuine control of funding and subtle control of clout within the ranks could control who did....

Ronald Reagan is my modern Political hero as US Grant is my military one but he had hard men in the shadows behind the scenes who knew how to break jaws.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:15 PM (LRFds)

68
How quickly they forget one of their own saying Sarah Palin was going to join Al Jazeera...

And she could see Russia from her house, too.

Cdr. Ripley was right.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 07:15 PM (+z4pE)

69 And how quickly they forget their side's histrionics when they heard that Romney was going to ban tampons...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 21, 2013 07:16 PM (CA2NO)

70 A show about Ben Shapiro going around and just accepting everything he hears about:

WAIT...WHAT?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 21, 2013 07:16 PM (BuSM8)

71 61

i dunno why Mubarak ever banned guys like this, how mean

Posted by: JDP at February 21, 2013 07:16 PM (60GaT)

72 Dick Cheney was actually quite a moderate.
Like his lesbian daughter?

Posted by: gwen ifill o dick at February 21, 2013 07:17 PM (ORGYc)

73 Damn your fleet fingers, Donna. I guess I owe you a Coke.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 07:17 PM (+z4pE)

74 58 Steevy,

yes he was, and I am not thrilled he is the best example strategically I can think of at this point but we have to accept that in all likelihood the mule long game has made a quick flip unlikely....

It took a Nixon to get a Reagan as much as it took a Dhimmi Carter....

National Security is our easiest sale, we need a hard person to ram patriotism back into the academy or we need to settle on divorce.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:17 PM (LRFds)

75 If the GOP was not useless they would have a department that handed fact sheets on reporters and news outlets to every national R pol who was scheduled to go on. If the reporter tries to go gotcha, shut them down with their own history of malfeasance and, if necessary, walk off after getting shots in.

Stop COOPERATING WITH THEM, for crying out loud.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 21, 2013 07:18 PM (bxiXv)

76 And how quickly they forget Ed "Heart Attack on a Half Shell" Schultz falling for the story that Tagg Romney owned voting machines in Ohio...



Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 21, 2013 07:18 PM (CA2NO)

77 I thought it was Santorum who was going to ban tampons, wasn't it? I read a liberal on a politics site who actually believed that. Head shakingly stupid.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 21, 2013 07:19 PM (PxYrx)

78 HEY, fucking Geraldo still has a job

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 21, 2013 07:19 PM (nTgAI)

79 This is why I always demand that people write down everything they want me to answer or remember. On clay tablets.

In Cuneiform.

With reeds.

And it has to be glazed and fired too.

Plus they need to give me a slice of cheese with it.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at February 21, 2013 07:19 PM (ovaQa)

80 So who won the War on Women? Was it the Democrats? Did they beat the women?

Posted by: The f'ing MFM at February 21, 2013 07:19 PM (pcgW1)

81 JDP, I totally blew that story; I didn't read carefully.

Thank you for correcting me.

Posted by: ace at February 21, 2013 07:19 PM (LCRYB)

82 "And how quickly they forget their side's histrionics when they heard that Romney was going to ban tampons..."

i missed this being a political story? as opposed to some weirdos on twitter

the problem with this is that it looks bad when certain Republican senators are asking Hagel to reveal more funding records


Posted by: JDP at February 21, 2013 07:20 PM (60GaT)

83 And how quickly they forget every pundit and columnist on their side falling for the blatant satire of Politico's Roger Simon, when he claimed Paul Ryan dissed Mitt Romney behind the scenes...



Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 21, 2013 07:20 PM (CA2NO)

84 80 the F'ing MFM,

well at least one CBS reporter won his personal war on wife at any rate....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:20 PM (LRFds)

85 National Security is our easiest sale, we need a hard person to ram patriotism back into the academy or we need to settle on divorce.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:17 PM (LRFds)


Divorce is a dream, we don't have all-red or all-blue states, we have mostly 60-40s and 40-60s. You'd just have to do it all over again and again.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 21, 2013 07:20 PM (bxiXv)

86 And how quickly they forget their side's histrionics when they heard that Romney was going to ban tampons...


Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit


Did that cause a run on tampons? I wonder how that story leaked out. Ladies were seeing red, I tell ya.

Posted by: Leo Tard at February 21, 2013 07:20 PM (R18D0)

87 So who won the War on Women? Was it the Democrats? Did they beat the women?

Posted by: The f'ing MFM at February 21, 2013 07:19 PM (pcgW1)

why does it matter ?they cannot get out of their binders anyway.

Posted by: ette at February 21, 2013 07:20 PM (nqBYe)

88 "57 43 MUMR,

Imagine how scary it would be if after the implosion one of the Baby Bell nations does go full tard American idol duh-mocracy....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:13 PM (LRFds) "


Only one? That's pretty optimistic. :-P



(Besides, we're pretty much there right now.)
(Except for American-Idol voting.)
(Maybe that's how the next President should be chosen...)
(If there is a next President.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 21, 2013 07:21 PM (kYKEk)

89 82 JDP,

Like I said earlier and I am not wanting to undermine or nutride you, the reality is I would bet my left nut he *has* taken money from foreign operators who are allied with Hamas.....

if only we had a profession that was dedicated to vetting people who aspired to power....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:21 PM (LRFds)

90 no prob

Posted by: JDP at February 21, 2013 07:22 PM (60GaT)

91 And the biggest lie the media expect us to fall for - that they're journalists!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 21, 2013 07:22 PM (bxiXv)

92 Ptooey! Out, damn sock.

Posted by: Marmo at February 21, 2013 07:22 PM (pcgW1)

93 "58 Dick Cheney was actually quite a moderate.Except on national security.

Posted by: steevy at February 21, 2013 07:13 PM (9XBK2) "

Yep. But the melodrama needed its villains...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 21, 2013 07:22 PM (kYKEk)

94 And how quickly they forget MSNBC falling for their own beloved Daily Kos' satirical piece about Apple and Microsoft joining up to boycott the National Organization for Marriage...


Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 21, 2013 07:22 PM (CA2NO)

95 It might have been covered in a post or thread that I missed, but I just learned, today, that it was Carter's grandson who located Romney's 47% tape.

Carter is very, very proud and gives his grandson credit for the Obama win.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 21, 2013 07:23 PM (piMMO)

96 The Senate Democratic plan - which has been endorsed by the White House and is, in fact, the only Democratic plan actively under consideration right now - doesn't touch corporate jets.

We asked Carney if the White House is upset that the Senate Democrats' plan protects corporate jets. His answer:

"Our position - in the president's plan that has been available for ages but republicans and some reporters pretend doesn't exist - is that the corporate jet loophole should be eliminated. We'd be fine if it were eliminated as part of the revenue component of a sequester buy-down or as part of broader tax reform in a bigger balanced deficit reduction deal. Either way. And either way, Republicans oppose it, and would rather see sequester hit than ask corporate jet owners to give up their special tax break. How is that not true?"

Even if the Senate plan did end the tax break for private jets, it wouldn't make much of a difference. The tax break - which allows the owners of private jets to depreciate their airplanes over five years instead of the standard seven years for commercial airplanes - would raise less than $300 million a year. That's a tiny fraction of the $85 billion in across-the-board cuts scheduled to go into effect this year.

But - even so - the Senate Democratic plan allows that tax break to continue - unchanged.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 21, 2013 07:23 PM (e8kgV)

97 I haven't used a swear word in about four or five posts. Can we get a new thread up or something?

Posted by: Dang at February 21, 2013 07:23 PM (R18D0)

98 85 Mero,

I disagree....

I suspect if it was made plain as day which new nation was FSA HQ and which was not self-selection would make it ~70/30 minimum.

Mero we're gonna wind up killing each other.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:23 PM (LRFds)

99 Dick Cheney was actually quite a moderate.Except on national security.

Oh, I can think of some other things.

Posted by: Liz Cheney at February 21, 2013 07:23 PM (6TB1Z)

100 After seeing democratic senator john mccain arguing with his constituents, essentially his bosses, and not giving a damn what they thought, nothing would surprise me anymore.

Apparently he's as good as confirmed.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 21, 2013 07:23 PM (/b8+5)

101 HEY, fucking Geraldo still has a job


***

And Shep...

And Juan....

And Beckel...

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 21, 2013 07:24 PM (piMMO)

102 95 NDH,

When I migrated to Twatter several of us worked at reverse engineering who the leaker was and then of course he took his bow openly....

it amazes me we can't get Van Jones and Ogabe types proudly waving that red banner

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:24 PM (LRFds)

103 Bob Dole says that Bob Dole urges Hagel confirmation as defense secretary

Posted by: Hans Blix at February 21, 2013 07:24 PM (e8kgV)

104 Carter: The Fuckening Continues

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 21, 2013 07:25 PM (piMMO)

105 And how quickly they forget Rachel "He-Man" Maddow falling for a satirical piece that claimed a Christian group was pleading with Sarah Palin to call for an invasion of Egypt to protect US interests in North Africa....


All of these are on the very first page of a Google search for "Left falls for satire."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 21, 2013 07:25 PM (CA2NO)

106 I disagree....

I suspect if it was made plain as day which new nation was FSA HQ and which was not self-selection would make it ~70/30 minimum.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:23 PM (LRFds)


And then what, throw out your kid if one of them is a lib? It can't last that way.

Hell, we tried limited government, which seems to be the only way to prevent tyranny or collapse, and the first damned thing lawyers and professional politicians did was remove the limiter.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 21, 2013 07:26 PM (bxiXv)

107 01 HEY, fucking Geraldo still has a job


***


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 21, 2013 07:24 PM (piMMO)

Not for long, he's running as a republican say the rumor mongers.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 21, 2013 07:26 PM (/b8+5)

108 It's only a joke when we get caught...

Posted by: H. Münchhausen, New York Daily News Reporter at February 21, 2013 07:27 PM (Vk2pI)

109
Carter is very, very proud and gives his grandson credit for the Obama win.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 21, 2013 07:23 PM (piMMO)-----
Yeah that news came about the time we were hoping Romney would shove that comment up their ass instead of cringing from it.

Posted by: Jay at February 21, 2013 07:27 PM (QLJPW)

110 And Beckel...


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

We conservatives really should rally and get his fat ass fired for that rape remark he made recently. Libs are trashing Fox for the lib democrat's comment. Incredible.

Posted by: Dang at February 21, 2013 07:27 PM (R18D0)

111 Heh.

From twitter.

Joe the Plumber drawing for a free AR-15

http://joeforamerica.com/win-a-free-ar-15/

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 21, 2013 07:27 PM (piMMO)

112 By the way anyone who has said the things hagel has about Israel is a "friend of hamas" so let's be clear about that. And only a fool- read that as Schumer- would believe his 12th hour conversion with tears in his eyes.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 07:28 PM (9Bj8R)

113 The news media can't be trusted?
The news media sources can't be trusted?

Shocked, I'm shocked I say!

If we all stand and sign, with feeling, the French National Anthem, the lies will stop?
It works in the movies.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 21, 2013 07:29 PM (7nr9k)

114 77


I thought it was Santorum who was going to ban tampons, wasn't it? I
read a liberal on a politics site who actually believed that. Head
shakingly stupid.


Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 21, 2013 07:19 PM (PxYrx)

I wasn't aware of it being attributed to Santorum, but the leftists were in outrageous outrage over Romney's tampon ban plan.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/tamponban

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's hi-cap assault diaphragm at February 21, 2013 07:29 PM (7xeJQ)

115 Geraldo Riviera running as a Republican. This really is an Orwell novel writ large.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 21, 2013 07:29 PM (Q9qpj)

116 Maybe a good case can be made for putting someone in that position who doesn't side with or like anyone.

Not Hamas, not Israel, not the French, no body. Some curmudgeon who is cantankerous and angry all the time, someone you wouldn't want to get angry with you.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 21, 2013 07:29 PM (/b8+5)

117 Carter: The Fuckening Continues


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

I plan on buying a very nice bottle of single malt scotch on the very day that old fucker stops breathing.

Posted by: Dang at February 21, 2013 07:30 PM (R18D0)

118 Geraldo Riviera running as a Republican. This really is an Orwell novel writ large.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 21, 2013 07:29 PM (Q9qpj)

We need that like a hole in the head or like the 101st needed that jerk giving away their position in Iraq

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 07:30 PM (9Bj8R)

119 Later, all.

God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 21, 2013 07:31 PM (kYKEk)

120 Not for long, he's running as a republican say the rumor mongers.


***

Says he.

Then there's this from his twitter line, a few days ago. I WONDER who he's talking about:

Senator Lautenberg's retirement means the NJ race has no incumbent regardless of the energizer aspirant's attempts to appear preordained.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 21, 2013 07:31 PM (piMMO)

121 106 Mero,

No once split after a settling period there would be "a split."

Not every divorce is bloody or even unfriendly, Belgium and Holland come to mind.

Just because Abraham Obama's ego could not bear that the south really did hate him and wanted out does not mean the divorce has to be perpetual acrimony.

I want left the fuck alone, and to be free to succeed or fail....

Donkey wants to enslave me to "guarantee barely above poverty win or lose."

This cannot work itself out and they are trying to steal my son and import a new population because they never beat our ideas with truly educated Americans.

Mero not brag and this is not as psycho as I am sure it reads, Ace I mean that prior sincerely I truly would never fire the first shot I swear but Mero I would turn my back on family if need be and I will kill to stay free if I must.

I swore a blood oath against Marxism as a child.

If being a good American means I must be a Marxist I am not an American at all.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:32 PM (LRFds)

122 He really expects to beat Cory Booker?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 21, 2013 07:32 PM (piMMO)

123 O/T

NY Slime now running story about how the sequester is going to slow down your travel because the FAA is going to furlow air traffic controllers.


Next up, women to die because Republican sequester to stop paying for condoms and abortions!

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 21, 2013 07:32 PM (wR+pz)

124 That's different! Don't you know she said she could see Russia from her house...

My parents went to Portland OR in the fall of 2008 to see my brother before he shipped out to Iraq, and my dad reports being approached by some scrunt with a clipboard who told him she'd outlaw abortion if she got elected VP.

When he told the story, we remarked sadly on education fail, but now that we've seen the JEF making law by proclamation (in his own words, "going around Congress"), it may have just been the mask slipping.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking heavily at February 21, 2013 07:32 PM (hO8IJ)

125 I'm still waiting for MFM to fall for "Harry Reid is a murdering pederast." C'mon, Matt Lauer! Lead with it!!

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 21, 2013 07:33 PM (6H6o8)

126 I don't know why i was thinking it was Santorum it was said about. Of course this dumb cluck liberal also insisted that Santorum was going to ban artiificial birth control too,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 21, 2013 07:33 PM (PxYrx)

127 Next up, women to die because Republican sequester to stop paying for condoms and abortions!

Have I mentioned some scrunt from Planned Parenthood cited Obamacare as a reason they were closing clinics in rural Iowa? I wonder if she's been fired yet.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking heavily at February 21, 2013 07:34 PM (hO8IJ)

Posted by: kathysaysso at February 21, 2013 07:34 PM (6H6o8)

129 I plan on buying a very nice bottle of single malt scotch on the very day that old fucker stops breathing.


Posted by: Dang at February 21, 2013 07:30 PM (R18D0)


I'm planning on pre-bottling my urine, going to his grave, and dumping it on his headstone. Why waste fresh urine on that dipshit?


When Obama kicks the bucket some day, if I'm still alive myself, I'll need TWO bottles. Big ones. Gallons.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 21, 2013 07:35 PM (CA2NO)

130 124 Yeah,they don't understand how the system works and they project THEIR tendency to dictate on their opponents.

Posted by: steevy at February 21, 2013 07:36 PM (9XBK2)

131 You don't say, kathysaysso?

Posted by: andycanuck at February 21, 2013 07:36 PM (ORGYc)

132 129 He'll be given a heroes funeral.

Posted by: steevy at February 21, 2013 07:36 PM (9XBK2)

133 At this point , what difference does it make?!

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 21, 2013 07:37 PM (AWmfW)

134 One of us is a Democrat; one, an independent; another, a Republican. Yet, together, we recognize several hard truths: Government spending levels are unsustainable. Higher taxes, however advisable or not, fail to come close to solving the problem. Discretionary spending must be reduced but without harming the safety net for our most vulnerable, or sacrificing future growth (e.g., research and education). Defense and homeland security spending should not be immune to reductions. Most consequentially, the growth in spending on entitlement programs—Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare—must be curbed.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323485704578257753243530078.html

Posted by: Alexander Hamilton at February 21, 2013 07:37 PM (e8kgV)

135 Ed Driscoll at PJM linked to this.THIS is what the left thinks a President should be.They had it nearly enough with Wilson and FDR and if he wanted to,Obama could go as far as he wants towards it.Who would stop him?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9C31Vy3jU

Posted by: steevy at February 21, 2013 07:41 PM (9XBK2)

136 164 Oh fuck "education" spending and government "research" is also not worth shit.

Posted by: steevy at February 21, 2013 07:42 PM (9XBK2)

137 No once split after a settling period there would be "a split."

Not every divorce is bloody or even unfriendly, Belgium and Holland come to mind.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:32 PM (LRFds)


My point being you don't really split. You change the percentages temporarily and then you get cross-traffic and stupid people and infiltrators and it just happens again. And in the bargain you give up a huge amount of territory and leave people "behind enemy lines."

I really, really oppose this rampaging desire to cede territory.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 21, 2013 07:50 PM (bxiXv)

138 137 Mero,

I think you underestimate how much the Red States would love to destroy the totality of Communist domination of their Triad of power...

you would alter the dynamics for at least a generation and if enforced there would be a schism of long standing.

I pondered this to a degree for the last 12 years and hard the last 18 months....

Look at Mike Bloomberg Mero that is a "conservative" in two generations....

I want no part of that world.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:53 PM (LRFds)

139 Posted by: Alexander Hamilton at February 21, 2013 07:37 PM (e8kgV)

Talk is cheap, government is expensive.

Also, "independent" means fuck-all, is that a libertarian, a constitutionalist, a socialist, green party, communist?

Generic talking points are a waste of time, completely. That article was nothing but mealy-mouthed cliches and generalizations.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 21, 2013 07:55 PM (bxiXv)

140 I want no part of that world.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 07:53 PM (LRFds)


We live in that world, we can't pretend it doesn't exist. We have to fight it. Forever. There is no rest, there is no safety, there is no refuge, these words are lies.

By an accident of history some of us grew up with that illusion, and it's a painful one. There is no "getting away" from them, they must be perpetually confronted. Forever.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 21, 2013 07:57 PM (bxiXv)

141 140 Mero,

Fifteen years ago I'd have agreed but the last of the sane donks left and we now have commies with the levers of power and they will kill us rather than give up their "birthright."

Divorce will keep the discord low, other wise Billy Ayers may gets his wank fuel...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 08:00 PM (LRFds)

142 Divorce will keep the discord low, other wise Billy Ayers may gets his wank fuel...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 08:00 PM (LRFds)


I can't imagine how letting them control 85% instead of 80% of the world will slow them down.

You may have thought they were less offensive in the past, but that was when they were busy taking over schools, journalism, and the permanent bureaucracy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 21, 2013 08:04 PM (bxiXv)

143 Huh?

Posted by: Census Worker hanged in KY by Tearrorists at February 21, 2013 08:31 PM (Nfpnr)

144 Shapiro's been an over-rated fool since he was a kid posting on TownHall. Can't for the life of me figure out why he's gotten so far.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 21, 2013 08:39 PM (QTHTd)

145 I'm not crazy about garbanzo beans. [/.i]

What about chick peas?

Posted by: toby928© at February 21, 2013 08:55 PM (QupBk)

146 save

Posted by: toby928© at February 21, 2013 08:55 PM (QupBk)

147 double sure

Posted by: toby928© at February 21, 2013 08:57 PM (QupBk)

148 Judge, this here is, if Imma not mistaken, people's exhibit number 34,927, a blog post proving that Ace of AoSHQ is a professional apologist for so-called "American hard right conservative" politicians and biased media. Yes, your worship, I agree this is almost entirely redundant, but it's such a CLASSIC case of blatant lying on multiple levels, I submit the whole concept of toolishness might well be definitively realized in it.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at February 21, 2013 09:15 PM (21TJo)

149 148 Wex the WonderDog,

Wex I shit bigger than you tard

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 09:40 PM (LRFds)

150 Is that even English in Wex's comment.

Posted by: toby928© at February 21, 2013 10:25 PM (QupBk)






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