McCain: The Media Said They Were My Friends But They Weren't Really My Friends and They're Real Stinkers and Bad Friends

They conned him. But he allowed himself to be conned.

Right now, like it or not, the five-term senator is stuck in “get off my lawn” territory, lashing out at his friend-turned-foe Chuck Hagel, President Obama’s nominee for defense secretary; incessantly tugging at what McCain is convinced is a coverup of the September attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya; lambasting the president; and railing against indiscriminate defense cuts. If hard-core conservatives feel burned by McCain’s resurgent reform spirit, the media that he once called his “base” have essentially written him off as an angry and sour loser who once went through a maverick phase but has, in the words of “Daily Show” host Jon Stewart, gone on a “seven-year quest to negate every good thing he’d ever done.”

“It does hurt,” McCain said softly. “I admit to you that it bothers me from time to time, and I wish that it didn’t. But it does.”

McCain has a hell of an ego on him.

I'm going to speculate here. I don't know this per se, but I do know reporters loved talking to McCain off-the-record. So I have to wonder why they did.

I think the reason the press loved him is that, in addition to his public "Maverick" (liberal-leaning) stances, he was also ready, willing, and eager to run down other Republicans for reporters, off the record, in trash-talk bonding sessions. Now, a guy with an ego will naturally think almost all around him are "idiots" and "cowards" from the jump, but then add to this McCain's playing to the crowd -- how they must have loved his "frank" and "bracing" critiques of Republicans, Republican positions, and Republican voters.

And they did love him... for that, and for their purposes.

But McCain didn't consider that that was a limited love, a love born out of McCain's agreement with reporters that Republicans were Serious You Guys just terrible people, and that when he ran in an election against a viable Democrat two things would happen:

1, McCain would have to stop bashing Republicans so much, given that he was now courting their dollars and support and votes. And thus the media would suddenly find him a bit of a pill.

2, Whereas their previous "love" for McCain came at zero cost, as McCain was firmly lodged in the Senate office and unlikely to be defeated by any Democrat, against a viable Democrat on the national stage the media was going to find The Greatest Love of All, and McCain would end up looking like a cheap one-night stand who never went away and kept annoying trying to attract their attention as they drooled for their Real Mister Right.

Anyone with an ego has to know he has an ego, and watch for the ways the ego may betray him and tell him things that just aren't true. McCain didn't. And I bet he still doesn't really understand how this happened.


* The "Serious You Guys" thing I got from a commenter, forget who.

Posted by: Ace at 02:30 PM



Comments

1 Stompstompstomp

Oh, and John McCain can eat a huge bowl of fuck.

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at February 21, 2013 02:03 PM (s1RLk)

2 My friends............

Posted by: Roland THTG at February 21, 2013 02:03 PM (QM5S2)

3 Dear Sen. McCain,

I'm sorry you're so dumb.

Posted by: Duh! at February 21, 2013 02:04 PM (Zs83Q)

4 It was a running joke based on fact that leftys would take you aside and tell you they had so much respect for McCain that if he ever ran for office, they would vote for him. This went out for years until he did run. Leftards always thought by repeating this lie that they would appear more credible and not look as crazy as they truly are/were.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 21, 2013 02:04 PM (6J6x7)

5 John McCain.

Poster child for AGE LIMITS on Public Office.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 21, 2013 02:04 PM (xmcEQ)

6 I would say "OTat #1?"
But by the time I type this...
Classic beauty alert, YeVonne De Carlo on Bonanza on METV right now.
And gone before I Grt yelled at...

Posted by: teej at February 21, 2013 02:04 PM (QbxUg)

7 McCain's dead to me.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at February 21, 2013 02:05 PM (ndp2I)

8 But, is his daughter going to mud wrestle with Laura Ingraham? I hear she is on twitter demanding a match.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 21, 2013 02:05 PM (6J6x7)

9 McCain's dead to me.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at February 21, 2013 02:06 PM (ndp2I)

10 * The "Serious You Guys" thing I got from a commenter, forget who.

And I have no idea what it means.

Also First!, maybe. It's hard to tell since the thread folded space to wherever disappeared threads go.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 21, 2013 02:06 PM (evdj2)

11 What?

Posted by: Ammo Dump at February 21, 2013 02:07 PM (YYyqq)

12 When you've been playing the game awhile, the game tends to play you.

It just seems that Republicans are too fucking stupid to see that.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 21, 2013 02:07 PM (xmcEQ)

13 Old fool. I actually have a theory that's he's a deeply sado-masochistic fellow, arising from father complex and the Vietnam torture. He ran his campaign with deeper intent to lose, after pledging passionately to fight. He loves the self-torture/feeling noble shit.

Posted by: rrpjr at February 21, 2013 02:07 PM (ov8L3)

14 LOL! This is the same McCain who was happy to have the endorsement of the NYT back in 2008, only to watch them drop the fake "affair" story later?


Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 02:19 PM (GQ8sn)

15 Don't fret MSM, John McAmnesty sired Meggie McBoobs, the gift that just keeps on giving

Posted by: kbdabear at February 21, 2013 02:24 PM (mCvL4)

16
McCain is a self important, egotistical, unprincipled,douche nozzle.

And I say that as someone who voted for him in 2008.

Posted by: rd at February 21, 2013 02:27 PM (zLp5I)

17 Doddering, old coot. Enough of this guy.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 21, 2013 02:32 PM (aB8aq)

18
Two other reasons reporters loved to bullshit with him: He was a fighter pilot--they are noted jock-sniffers--and his wife owns a beer distributorship. That last one must have made it tough to turn on him, but the party must be served.

I derspise McCain's glee at turning us on the spit for the amusement of his former friends, but he has a megaphone almost nobody else has. So when he's right on an issue, his message gets through. He's still very useful.

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 21, 2013 02:33 PM (r5w1L)

19 Scallywags..... The lot of them. I oughta box their ears I tell ya.

Posted by: Juan McLame at February 21, 2013 02:34 PM (jucos)

20 Delayed- stomp?

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 02:34 PM (GQ8sn)

21 "As long as I keep going on those Sunday morning shows and bashing my own party, I'm sure the LucyMSM won't pull that football out at the last second. Again."

--Juan McCain

Posted by: DangerGirl - Stop this thing, I want off at February 21, 2013 02:35 PM (A9hpr)

22 The 2008 presidential race had to be the smelliest contest ever. Even though I voted for that senile coot who was running with Palin, he'd have made a terrible President and I'd have hated every fucking second of it. Not that we aren't fucked anyway but Romney would've made a much better CiC than Juan McRINO.


At least everybody hates McStain now and his fatassed daughter.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 02:35 PM (j0lEX)

23 Did he really say friends or did he say "Frenjs"

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 21, 2013 02:35 PM (nTgAI)

24 and this was the best we could do in 2008.
Thank God he wasn't the nominee in 2000 or we'd still be negotiating with the Taliban to put bin Laden on trial.

Posted by: mallfly at February 21, 2013 02:35 PM (bJm7W)

25 Term limits. My congress critter is another unbeatable senile old coot.

Posted by: SpongeBob SquareSaget at February 21, 2013 02:35 PM (epxV4)

26 18 --- Well said.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 21, 2013 02:36 PM (C8mVl)

27
The Underpost is the new Doublepost.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 21, 2013 02:36 PM (p/cQy)

28 I don't understand the man at all and don't know if it was the prison or if he is just that gullible. I respect allmilitary and appreciate their service to our country but he really only had one claim to fame, which was losing a multi million dollar aircraft. Sad deal.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 21, 2013 02:36 PM (R8hU8)

29 Delayed- stomp?
Posted by: EC


I think we're on a double-reverse stomp. Andy pants Ace, twenty min later Ace looked at the front page and reversed it again.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 21, 2013 02:36 PM (Ipj15)

30 McCain is a self important, egotistical, unprincipled,douche nozzle.
Posted by: rd

*****

He's the kind of guy who so desperate for attention and adulation he will pimp his daughter for the traffic it brings.

Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at February 21, 2013 02:36 PM (+I8Mq)

31 Daddy, please be nice to my reporter friends! Joy Behar doesn't return my calls anymore!

Posted by: Meggie McBoobs at February 21, 2013 02:36 PM (mCvL4)

32 Just because someone was brave and heroic doesn't give them a lifetime pass to fuck with your life cavalierly.

Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at February 21, 2013 02:38 PM (+I8Mq)

33 McCain is an arrogant asshole who has really bad judgment.

Then again, what else is new?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 21, 2013 02:38 PM (e0xKF)

34 I think the reason the press loved him is that, in addition to his public "Maverick" (liberal-leaning) stances, he was also ready, willing, and eager to run down other Republicans for reporters, off the record, in trash-talk bonding sessions. Now, a guy with an ego will naturally think almost all around him are "idiots" and "cowards" from the jump, but then add to this McCain's playing to the crowd -- how they must have loved his "frank" and "bracing" critiques of Republicans, Republican positions, and Republican voters.

__________________________

This. I was always afraid the guy was going to also appoint himself--as his own Secretary of Defense because--The Ego.

Posted by: tasker at February 21, 2013 02:38 PM (r2PLg)

35 I think we're on a double-reverse stomp.

DUDE!

Posted by: X-Games Announcer at February 21, 2013 02:38 PM (BrQrN)

36 Mr. McCain. I greatly appreciate your sacrifices for this country and your brave actions in your service.

Now, please retire and live the rest of your life in peace and tranquility AWAY FROM MY GOVERNMENT.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 21, 2013 02:39 PM (xmcEQ)

37 OT but did Drudge just stomp rushlimbaugh.com?

Posted by: Nate in New Orleans at February 21, 2013 02:39 PM (lhX9P)

38
So McCain still doesn't realize that the media only 'loves' him...because he has bashed Republicans?

His daughter refuses to realize this too.

"McCain has a hell of an ego on him." ~ Ace

Is that what it is? Ego?
He figures that he's so awesome...how could they not love him?

Could be.
But I tend to think it's a level of myopic stupidity, as well.

Posted by: wheatie at February 21, 2013 02:39 PM (DZbQ0)

39 McCain is trying to write- or re-write his obituary right now. But he is wasting his time. It will start and end " The one time Presidential Candidate, long time Senator, Naval Aviator, and former Prisoner of War". And that is it. So he should get of his high horse and try not to be a asshole in his remaining years.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 02:39 PM (9Bj8R)

40 DUDE!

Posted by: X-Games Announcer at February 21, 2013 02:38 PM (BrQrN)


That's KICK ASS and EXTREEEEEEEEMMMMEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: © Sponge at February 21, 2013 02:39 PM (xmcEQ)

41 McCain just discovering the press is not his friend is one par with the the amazing discovery that Hagel made the Jews had faced discrimination. They used him. Too bad it took him this long to figure out.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 21, 2013 02:40 PM (PxYrx)

42 Sarah Palin ruined him or something. I read that somewhere.

Posted by: Jaws at February 21, 2013 02:40 PM (4I3Uo)

43
“One may understand the cosmos, but never the ego; the self is more distant than any star.”
GK Chesterton

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 21, 2013 02:40 PM (p/cQy)

44 My friendsh, why have you all deserted me?

Posted by: Baffled John McCain at February 21, 2013 02:40 PM (C/NnJ)

45 The Underpost is the new Doublepost.

I tend to prefer Sidepost, but am a big fan of Underpost. It's not nice to discriminate.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 21, 2013 02:41 PM (BrQrN)

46
/snicker And now he knows the truth about what everyone thinks about him.

He played the conservatives and the liberals played him.

I wish he would just quit and let a conservative step in, if that were even possible now. Maybe he could pay more atttention to his troubled daughter.

Posted by: Gmac - Waiting for the revolution at February 21, 2013 02:41 PM (IanLz)

47 What we need is some face-stabers like McCain in the democrat party working for us for a change.

Posted by: Truman North at February 21, 2013 02:41 PM (I2LwF)

48 but he really only had one claim to fame, which was losing a multi million dollar aircraft. Sad deal.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 21, 2013 02:36 PM (R8hU

Two if you count the one sitting at the bottom of Corpus Christi Bay. Three if you count the one that got a rocket shot through it sitting on the USS Forrestal. That one totally wasn't his fault.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 21, 2013 02:41 PM (t06LC)

49 Small man of bitter vanity.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 21, 2013 02:42 PM (AWmfW)

50 McCain is stupid to fall for that shit. And he was your party nominee.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 21, 2013 02:42 PM (w+Dvf)

51 I derspise McCain's glee at turning us on the spit
for the amusement of his former friends, but he has a megaphone almost
nobody else has.

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 21, 2013 02:33 PM

Is that what a Megaphone is? I thought it was just a chubby neo-reality show trust fund brat with lots of friends in the MSM

Posted by: kbdabear at February 21, 2013 02:42 PM (mCvL4)

52 McCain was basically a fat chick who was easy with the blowjobs. Lots of dates ... not so many marriage offers.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 21, 2013 02:42 PM (ZPrif)

53 he really only had one claim to fame, which was losing a multi million dollar aircraft.

Three, if you count the one he was shotdown while piloting. Four if you count the Forrestal fire, which was not his fault.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 21, 2013 02:42 PM (evdj2)

54 He played the conservatives and the liberals played him.

Christie needs to watch this sad drama and take note. Oh yeah, fuck that fat asshole anyway.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 21, 2013 02:42 PM (t06LC)

55 Collegiality, or going along to get along, there were several things he was right on. He was, for example, a voice in the wilderness about Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac for a long time. Unfortunately, it was a well-stocked wilderness and his friends visited him regularly, so he felt no need to make a lot of noise. Even when the fact that he was right came crashing down around us just before the election.

Really, that’s the part that pisses me off about him. It’s like God himself came down from the clouds and said, John McCain, you are The One. The crisis you’ve been warning us about—and which you have a solution for—is now upon us. All you have to do is fight for the solution you’ve been supposedly fighting for all along.

What does he do? Suspend his campaign to go to Washington to fight for… pretty much the exact opposite of what he’d previously said the solution was.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 21, 2013 02:42 PM (QF8uk)

56 but he really only had one claim to fame, which was losing a multi million dollar aircraft. Sad deal.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 21, 2013 02:36 PM (R8hU

Two if you count the one sitting at the bottom of Corpus Christi Bay. Three if you count the one that got a rocket shot through it sitting on the USS Forrestal. That one totally wasn't his fault.
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 21, 2013 02:41 PM (t06LC)

I assume you all are kidding because in reality I would not criticize his Military Service. That part he did OK

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 02:43 PM (9Bj8R)

57 41
McCain just discovering the press is not his friend is one par with the
the amazing discovery that Hagel made the Jews had faced discrimination.
They used him. Too bad it took him this long to figure out.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 21, 2013 02:40 PM (PxYrx)

You think he figured it out?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 21, 2013 02:43 PM (AWmfW)

58 I think the reason the press loved him is that, in addition to his
public "Maverick" (liberal-leaning) stances, he was also ready, willing,
and eager to run down other Republicans for reporters, off the record,
in trash-talk bonding sessions. Now, a guy with an ego will naturally
think almost all around him are "idiots" and "cowards" from the jump,
but then add to this McCain's playing to the crowd -- how they must have
loved his "frank" and "bracing" critiques of Republicans, Republican
positions, and Republican voters.

And they did love him... for that, and for their purposes.





Well yes; the MFM are lazy fucks and McRINO was always able to come up with a quotable quip on any political topic. He'd fuck up sometime and stab in the back somebody like Chelsea Clinton, whom everybody knew was as hideous looking as the pairing of her white trash parents would suggest, and would have to do a quick walk-back; but the MFM still doted on him for his next utterance.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 02:44 PM (j0lEX)

59
"McCain was basically a fat chick who was easy with the blowjobs. Lots of dates ... not so many marriage offers."

Like daughter, like father.

Posted by: Jaws at February 21, 2013 02:44 PM (4I3Uo)

60 @54

When the time came, he blinked. Fortes Fortuana Aduivat.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 21, 2013 02:44 PM (t06LC)

61 If he had won in 2008, I am afraid I would have prayed every night for his death or incapacitation. And that would have been wrong.

Posted by: rd at February 21, 2013 02:44 PM (zLp5I)

62 Well I'll be.

Ace.....Looks like you're having an affect......

An already bad month is getting worse for NBC.
For the first time in sweeps history, the network is projected to
finish fifth in the key adults 18-49 demographic. That’s crushing blow
for NBC, which went from flying high in November with a sweep win to
its shows cratering and ratings plunging. From the beginning of the
February sweep on January 31 through February 19, NBC has averaged a 1.2
rating among adults 18-49. That’s below the 1.5 that Univision has been averaging so far over the 20 night of the sweep period.


NBC - Dying like the papers.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 21, 2013 02:44 PM (xmcEQ)

63 Bingo on Christie; He's quite likely to fall into the same tarp if he's the anointed candidate for 2016 and not Jeb Bush.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 21, 2013 02:45 PM (PxYrx)

64 I also think the reason he is ultimately voting for Hagel is his ego.

McCain enabled and created Hagel and didn't mind when Hagel was his wingman backing up his attacks on a wartime President.

Hagel always had muddled reasoning and it was never ever checked by the press because he was doing the evil deed that the press wanted him to do.

Undermine a wartime President--all the more delicious when it was in the stab in the back style.

Now the media is feigning *shock* at Hagel's lack of swiftness under questioning--questioning that they had a duty to do years ago but were negligent.

Posted by: tasker at February 21, 2013 02:45 PM (r2PLg)

65 Dept. Of Accuracy Dept.: "Just because someone was brave and heroic doesn't give them a lifetime pass to fuck with your life cavalierly."

Bingo. Thanks for you military service but that's about all the service I can take from this Big Guv mouthpiece. And GTFOff my lawn!

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 21, 2013 02:46 PM (eHIJJ)

66 Well I'll be.

Ace.....Looks like you're having an affect......

An already bad month is getting worse for NBC.

For the first time in sweeps history, the network is projected to

finish fifth in the key adults 18-49 demographic. That’s crushing blow

for NBC, which went from flying high in November with a sweep win to

its shows cratering and ratings plunging. From the beginning of the

February sweep on January 31 through February 19, NBC has averaged a 1.2

rating among adults 18-49. That’s below the 1.5 that Univision has been averaging so far over the 20 night of the sweep period.


NBC - Dying like the papers.




All those moments...will be lost...like tear...in rain....


...time to die.

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 02:46 PM (GQ8sn)

67 @56

I am. He had more balls than me.
I was noting that fuck, he had a lot of brushes with near death, at least thrice, that should have killed him.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 21, 2013 02:46 PM (t06LC)

68 Being the media's favorite Repub can get you pretty far. McCain became one of the most powerful senators in the most powerful country on the planet. He was the "cool" Republican for decades.

He got a lot out of the arrangement.

He is a mistress angry the married man she's been blowing for a decade won't leave his wife -- and, in fact, dumped her once she started publicly angling to replace the wife.

Know your role and shut your mouth John-boy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 21, 2013 02:47 PM (ZPrif)

69 yeah, Ace pretty much dropped the hammer on this one. Stupid Mackerel.

Of course, Mackerel's gay stance hurt him too.*

*But not voter fraud, because that doesn't exist.**

**It didn't help either that McCain basically said that JEF is a great guy and poses no threat to the country and that I am deeply deeply embarrassed to be in the same party as the last president.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 21, 2013 02:47 PM (QxSug)

70 Well, I'm gonna give the old coot a pass.. being chained up in the Hanoi Hilton for six years really has to fuck your head up.

But someone should suggest to him that he retire so he'll have more time running the Pancake Sunday Breakfast and Bingo Night down at the VFW.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 21, 2013 02:47 PM (f9c2L)

71 He's all maverick-y and stuff

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 21, 2013 02:47 PM (8sCoq)

72 Salute! to Sen. McCain... the only Senator EVER who managed to loose FIVE Aircraft during his military career.... so heres to you Sen. McCain, the ENEMY Ace!

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 21, 2013 02:47 PM (lZBBB)

73 McCain is a tool and needs to go away. he is symptomatic of what is all wrong with the republican elite.
They need to stop kissing the *ss of the media hoping to get cocktail invites and pretty lines in the NY TImes.

Will be glad when McCain, Romney, and Hagel is off the national stage almost as I will be glad when Reid, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters go away.

Posted by: retired military at February 21, 2013 02:47 PM (SElov)

74
McCain's biggest problem is that he's been in the Senate too long.

Note, I didn't say ONLY problem.

Those people, each of them, have more in common with the other 99 than they do any other humans on the planet. If you are consideringthem on the basis of whether they have an R or a D behind their names, you are doing it wrong.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 21, 2013 02:48 PM (TOk1P)

75 Posted by: tasker at February 21, 2013 02:45 PM (r2PLg)


Not that it really matters, but if it actually comes to a vote, McCain is NOT voting for hagel, but "Only" will not vote to sustain the filibuster.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 02:48 PM (9Bj8R)

76 Well, who said that NBC never gives us useful news

Take this for example; a variance of "better to let it out and bear the shame than hold it in and bear the pain"

Let your flatulence fly, scientists urge passengers

http://tinyurl.com/a8ue86f



Posted by: kbdabear at February 21, 2013 02:48 PM (mCvL4)

77 Would you like some ketchup, Mr. McCain? Pepper?

Posted by: a bag of dicks at February 21, 2013 02:48 PM (H3SCv)

78 John Stewart's take on John McCain.


Is that some sort of irrelevance singularity?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 21, 2013 02:48 PM (yCvxi)

79 As long as we're dumping on Mackerel, he was also fatally wounded by being an open borders amnesty nut.

See today's Annie C column explaining that the fucking hispanics will not be swayed by amnesty or mass immigration, and they are not naturally conservative.

Pursuant to yesterday's points, newly added americans don't seem to vote GOP.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 21, 2013 02:48 PM (QxSug)

80 I assume you all are kidding because in reality I would not criticize his Military Service. That part he did OKPosted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 02:43 PM (9Bj8R)--- That true, what I meant was that had he not got shot down we would in all probability not be be talking about him.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 21, 2013 02:49 PM (R8hU8)

81 Chelsea Clinton is really not that unattractive and being the daughter of parents people don't like doesn't make her so:

http://tinyurl.com/ajpl3b2

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 21, 2013 02:49 PM (PxYrx)

82 Take this for example; a variance of "better to let it out and bear the shame than hold it in and bear the pain"

Let your flatulence fly, scientists urge passengers

http://tinyurl.com/a8ue86f



Farts On A Plane?

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 02:49 PM (GQ8sn)

83 But sure sure, the media did turn on him.

But it's hard to measure the delta because the fucking media en masse defected to become Obama's PR squad. So, where did one end and the other begin

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 21, 2013 02:50 PM (QxSug)

84 © Sponge@62,

I think I'll have to start flipping over to an NBC production just so I can have the satisfaction of flipping it off just as quickly.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 21, 2013 02:50 PM (eHIJJ)

85 Back on top.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 21, 2013 02:50 PM (evdj2)

86 56 but he really only had one claim to fame, which was losing a multi million dollar aircraft. Sad deal.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 21, 2013 02:36 PM (R8hU

Two if you count the one sitting at the bottom of Corpus Christi Bay. Three if you count the one that got a rocket shot through it sitting on the USS Forrestal. That one totally wasn't his fault.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 21, 2013 02:41 PM (t06LC)

Look back further.... try FIVE in his career. He had multiple training accidents before he ever entered combat.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 21, 2013 02:50 PM (lZBBB)

87 NRO article on sequester mentions the term SCOAMF. Awesome.

Posted by: Hobojerky at February 21, 2013 02:50 PM (89w2n)

88 In other words, John McCain was every kept woman ever, just waiting on the divorce, which would be "soon."

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 21, 2013 02:50 PM (Q9qpj)

89 Yeah, NBC is last in sweeps.
Of course, not exactly good news that they were passed by Univision which is even further to the Left than ABC.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 21, 2013 02:51 PM (ZPrif)

90 I meant was that had he not got shot down we would in all probability not be be talking about him.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 21, 2013 02:49 PM (R8hU

Yeah and if obama was not black, we would not be half way to an EU like Nation.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 02:51 PM (9Bj8R)

91 McCain's ego of "reaching across the isle" and sucking up to media, is why he was the candidate in '08. Media pushes who they want as a candidate and know with McCains ego, they could manipulate him, just like his Democrat counterparts do.

Posted by: Deli LLama at February 21, 2013 02:51 PM (lGu1O)

92 You have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 21, 2013 02:51 PM (qwK3S)

93 It's almost like McCain being a fuck-up in the Academy was some sort of predictor of future performance.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 21, 2013 02:51 PM (ZPrif)

94 78
John Stewart's take on John McCain.





Is that some sort of irrelevance singularity?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 21, 2013 02:48 PM (yCvxi)

Recursive irrelevance?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 21, 2013 02:52 PM (AWmfW)

95 McCain will stay right where he is until Meghan announces her candidacy for his seat.

Posted by: Bigby's Dutch Rub at February 21, 2013 02:52 PM (3ZtZW)

96 He also, like John Bolton, had a habit of putting his hands on his hips in an aggressive manner when being served bullshit pudding

and we just can't have that

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 21, 2013 02:52 PM (QxSug)

97 Undermine a wartime President--all the more delicious when it was in the stab in the back style.





Posted by: tasker at February 21, 2013 02:45 PM (r2PLg)


I'm sure I wasn't the only person who was furious that GWB, whom I admired as a person more than I did as a President, let McRINO take all the credit for the Surge when every-fucking-body knew it was *his* ass on the line if it fucked up.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 02:52 PM (j0lEX)

98 NRO article on sequester mentions the term SCOAMF.

Link please.

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 02:52 PM (GQ8sn)

99 the depth of my commitment to freedom can be measured by the size of my donations to this asshole....

less than to Mitt but more than to W

Posted by: sven10077 at February 21, 2013 02:52 PM (LRFds)

100 And Bill and Hillary weren't unattractive either:

http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/bill-clinton/images/9773733/title/young-bill-hillary-photo

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 21, 2013 02:52 PM (PxYrx)

101
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 21, 2013 02:47 PM (lZBBB)


That is not exactly fair. Flying fighter jets in the 50's and 60's was a dangerous job. Too many good people died from poor designs, poor training, poor decisions, and just plain bad luck.

Posted by: rd at February 21, 2013 02:52 PM (zLp5I)

102 McCain is convinced is a coverup of the September attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya

What you think you earned in your previous life doesn't matter. It's what you are doing right now that counts.

If McCain continues to pound on Benghazi he may manage to close the parenthesis on his career being more of the man he used to be than the whore he became.

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at February 21, 2013 02:52 PM (EZl54)

103 On phone
Hold on

Posted by: Hobojerky at February 21, 2013 02:52 PM (89w2n)

104 I wonder if it ever crossed McCain's mind that he's a pretty big fucking disappointment to the people who thought he was on their side too?

Posted by: sherlock at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM (TQbuA)

105 62...NBC - Dying like the papers.

Can't happen soon enough.

But I'm sure that those nozzles think, that if they keep spewing their bullshit in support of TFG...that they will be saved, somehow.

Maybe they expect their Führer to force people to watch them.

Posted by: wheatie at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM (DZbQ0)

106 http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/341183/hate-sequester-then-pass-entitlement-reform

Posted by: Hobojerky at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM (89w2n)

107 You have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency.
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 21, 2013 02:51 PM (qwK3S)

THAT was probably the worst most damaging thing he ever said.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM (9Bj8R)

108 McCain is stupid to fall for that shit. And he was your party nominee.


Posted by: Dr Spank at February 21, 2013 02:42 PM (w+Dvf)


No sir.

He was the media pick that was shoved down our throat.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM (xmcEQ)

109 75 Posted by: tasker at February 21, 2013 02:45 PM (r2PLg)


Not that it really matters, but if it actually comes to a vote, McCain is NOT voting for hagel, but "Only" will not vote to sustain the filibuster.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 02:48 PM (9Bj8R)

_____________

Oh is that his latest maneuver ?


Thanks. I have been trying to keep up with it.

I still despise the press for giving Hagel a pass all these years.

They never cared about the quality of the arguments or better strategy--all they cared about was their petty Liberal end game.

Posted by: tasker at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM (r2PLg)

110 **92 You have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency.**

Don't forget simply accepting the premise that W was the worst thing ever "and got us into this mess" instead of being "W did the best he could do, kept us safe, kept unemployment low, and tried to stop the democrats insane Fannie Mae scheme which caused the recession."

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM (QxSug)

111 Let your flatulence fly, scientists urge passengers

http://tinyurl.com/a8ue86f

Posted by: kbdabear at February 21, 2013 02:48 PM

Let it rip wingnuts, it's SCIENCE !!!

Posted by: Dr Charles Johnson, Scienceologist at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM (mCvL4)

112 I don't really give a fuck if all the GOP Senators vote for Hagel. Obama won, remember? Elections have consequences. All the fucks who stayed home last November gave Obama another 4 years. And if he wants to nominate a douche nozzle like Hagel, that's his privilege. Unless there's something heinous in Hagel's past, he should get the vote. And the GOP should stop fucking around.. they look like fucking babies.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM (f9c2L)

113
Chelsea Clinton is really not that unattractive and being the daughter of parents people don't like doesn't make her so:



http://tinyurl.com/ajpl3b2

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 21, 2013 02:49 PM



I think my little darlin' is just plumb cute.

Posted by: Webster Hubbell at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM (bAGA/)

114 McCain, the "below par" pilot, eventually lost 5 military aircraft, the first during a training flight in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while trying to land. The Navy ignored the crash and graduated McCain in 1960.
While deployed in the Mediterranean, the hard partying McCain lost a second aircraft. Timberg described the crash: "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula, he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."
Unscathed, McCain returned to Pensacola Station where he was promoted to flight instructor for Naval Air Station Meridian in Mississippi. The airfield at Meridian, McCain Field, was named in honor of McCain's grandfather.
In 1964 McCain became involved with Carol Shepp, a model from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, he had met at Annapolis. They were married in Philadelphia on July 3, 1965.
Flight instructor McCain lost a third aircraft while flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game. Timberg wrote that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain parachuted onto a beach moments before his plane slammed into a clump of trees.
The Navy dismissed the crash as "unavoidable" and assigned McCain to the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal in December 1966, which was patrolling the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean. In Spring 1967, the Forrestal was assigned to join the Operation Rolling Thunder bombing campaign against North Vietnam.
McCain lost his fourth plane on board the Forrestal on July 29, 1967 when a rocket inadvertently slammed into his bomb laden jet. McCain escaped, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors. McCain was transferred from the badly damaged Forrestal to the USS Oriskany. Shortly afterwards, on Oct. 26, 1967, he was shot down and captured by the Vietnamese.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM (lZBBB)

115 McLame vs Obama was the Kobayashi Maru, there was no way to win.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM (/gHaE)

116 Usually McCain only pulls this kind of butthurt, sympathy bullshit when he's up for reelection.

Posted by: Fritz at February 21, 2013 02:54 PM (UzPAd)

117

he was also ready, willing, and eager to run down other Republicans for reporters, off the record, in trash-talk bonding sessions.


nice insight, and, no doubt, dead on

you cannot take anyone -- ANYONE -- at face (pr/marketing/media) value

ever

Posted by: beach at February 21, 2013 02:54 PM (LpQbZ)

118 NRO article on sequester mentions the term SCOAMF.


Jessssss!

Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at February 21, 2013 02:54 PM (evdj2)

119 And Bill and Hillary weren't unattractive either:



http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/bill-clinton/images/9773733/title/young-bill-hillary-photo





Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 21, 2013 02:52 PM (PxYrx)


Yes. Yes they were.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 21, 2013 02:54 PM (xmcEQ)

120 The first line of hte article you quoted from says it all - the five term senator. Each term is six years. That is simply too long. Even the best firebrands lose their fastball (not that McCain was that).

With the logetivity is supposed to carry wisdom. Ancient tribes may have gone to their elders for wisdom, but they didn't actually do the figthing or the leading.

Five terms is 30 years in one seat. The Senate is now just an aristocrats club, and McCain comes from an aristocratic family.

And Chi-town you are right. I hate speaking out against McCain because of what he went through. It doesn't give you a free pass, but it must command respect. And you are also right it must also screw with you.

I've said it before, the country will be better off when the Vietnam War generation is no longer governing, particularly those who served. The war and its aftermath just screwed them up.

I'll feel much better when Generation X really starts leading, and all thoes baby boomers are gone (from office).

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 02:55 PM (gmeXX)

121 Typical dem excuse coming from my democrat friend John McCain. For such geniuses they sure get duped alot.

Posted by: Whatev at February 21, 2013 02:55 PM (A7Wh1)

122 To further his gun-ban efforts, President Obama is using his permanent campaign organization, Organizing For Action, to solicit stories about “gun violence.” Some of the stories are no doubt sincere, some–since they are anonymous–are likely fabricated ...

On February 28, 1993, a bunch of storm-troopers with obviously fake ATF markings stormed my compound where I lived with a bunch of religious colleagues. An intense gun battle erupted, lasting nearly two hours. Six of my religious colleagues were killed and at least four of those fake ATF agents. After their failure to subdue our peaceful band of religious believers from our Constitutionally protected religious freedom and freedom to bear arms for our personal protection, they changed their markings to FBI, also obviously fake.
The government did nothing to protect us for 50 days while these hooligans tortured us and denied us our Constitutional rights. Finally, these hooligans set fire to our peaceful religious compound resulting in the deaths of my colleagues, some seventy-six men, women and children, including me.

Posted by: David Koresh at February 21, 2013 02:55 PM (e8kgV)

123 McCain, you have the right to remain silent, please, for the love of all that is right and good, USE it.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 21, 2013 02:55 PM (kXoT0)

124 Where the hell are the Democrats thatlean towardRepublicans, cut down other Democrats and work with Republicans to get things passed?

Posted by: Meremortal at February 21, 2013 02:55 PM (1Y+hH)

125 Hon Senator John McCain: "blah blah blah"

akula51: "Term limits, motherfucker."

WiB

Posted by: akula51 at February 21, 2013 02:55 PM (EzOzr)

126 Of course, not exactly good news that they were passed by Univision which is even further to the Left than ABC.

That was the part that was interesting: Spanish-language programming is now more popular than English-language programming.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 02:55 PM (/kI1Q)

127 Hobojerky: "NRO article on sequester mentions the term SCOAMF."

Seriously? So AOSHQ might become a contender? The party invitations should be flying in soon.

Apropos of nothing, is going pantsless too informal?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 21, 2013 02:55 PM (eHIJJ)

128 Juan is living proof that not everyone gets wiser with age. And sometimes that busted rubber comes back to bite yer ass in the form of agravitationally challenged blonde daughter with an atomic powered mouth directed bya proton sized brain.

Posted by: maddogg at February 21, 2013 02:56 PM (OlN4e)

129 #106


Nice! They use the full version and not the abbreviation we like to use.

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 02:56 PM (GQ8sn)

130

What's really funny is that in ten years Meghan McCain will say these exact same remarks.

And that makes me laff inside.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 21, 2013 02:56 PM (+oin+)

131 @116

His good friend Dame Lindsey is leveraging " tough on Benghazi" in his primary fight too

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at February 21, 2013 02:56 PM (EZl54)

132 Posted by: rd at February 21, 2013 02:52 PM (zLp5I)

Sorry.... grew up in an Air Force Town... Castle AFB CA... my neighbors are all ret. Pilots, Navigators, and such...

Dangerous? yes... but to hear THEM tell it, FIVE planes is ridiculous.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 21, 2013 02:57 PM (lZBBB)

133 It is difficult to criticize a man who endured years of continual, crippling tortureyet whoturned down an early release offer by the enemy, who wasno doubt hoping to cash in on the propaganda value of an Admiral's son getting special treatment.When McCain turned down the offer, he knew the torture would intensify. Some men were tortured to death.His choice was genuinely courageous.

It's a terrible tragedy when an otherwise brave and honorable man allows his vanity to destroy what he once was. Shakespeare wrote plays about the moral disintegration of once noble men. Yeah, I know, Meggie Mac sure as hell plays a lousy Cordelia, but you see my point.

Posted by: troyriser at February 21, 2013 02:57 PM (vtiE6)

134 I've read a lot of comments made by a lot of different people at ace's site and 99% of you wouldn't have fallen for this bullshit.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 21, 2013 02:57 PM (w+Dvf)

135
McCain will stay right where he is until Meghan announces her candidacy for his seat.
Posted by: Bigby's Dutch Rub




Yeah. like that tugboat gonna haul her flabby behind up all those Capitol steps.

A few weeks ago she announced she didn't plan on running for office -- or come to think of it, running for much of anything else.

Now Mccain's son, he's the prodigal being positioned to inherit the seat.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 21, 2013 02:57 PM (kdS6q)

136 **115 McLame vs Obama was the Kobayashi Maru, there was no way to win.**

clever but not so.

Mackerel was leading, even with other bullshit until:

1. he quit campaigning to work on the crisis, whatever that meant.

2. he basically accepted blame for the crisis as the GOP's cross to bear.

3. IDK, I have a theory and it's this. There are only 3 hours out of every 4 years that the GOP gets a chance to make its case to the American people. During the debates, McCain wasted those opportunities. Much like Romney wasted his last 2 hours in debates 2-3. Otherwise, for the remaining 10000 hours in those 4 years, it's constant GOP bashing.

respect the debates, always attack. ignore irrelevant questions.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 21, 2013 02:57 PM (QxSug)

137 Chelsea Clinton is really not that unattractive and being the daughter of parents people don't like doesn't make her so:



http://tinyurl.com/ajpl3b2

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 21, 2013 02:49 PM (PxYrx)



You must stop......please....I'm begging you.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 21, 2013 02:57 PM (xmcEQ)

138 I'm sure I wasn't the only person who was furious that GWB, whom I admired as a person more than I did as a President, let McRINO take all the credit for the Surge when every-fucking-body knew it was *his* ass on the line if it fucked up.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 02:52 PM (j0lEX)

______

I look at it in the same fashion as when you give a crying baby his nukie.

Posted by: tasker at February 21, 2013 02:58 PM (r2PLg)

139 pacifier.

Posted by: tasker at February 21, 2013 02:58 PM (r2PLg)

140 FUCK MCCAIN!!

FUCK MCCAIN!!


FUCK MCCAIN!!


FUCK MCCAIN!!


FUCK MCCAIN!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 21, 2013 02:58 PM (HDgX3)

141 He is a tool and without a doubt the mark in any room he enters!

Posted by: Jimmy at February 21, 2013 02:58 PM (QPx2z)

142 I'll feel much better when Generation X really starts leading, and all thoes baby boomers are gone (from office). Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 02:55 PM (gmeXX)

Wow, what a great idea! All the Gen X'ers I work with are such a stalwart lot and none of them were messed up by any of the Gulf Wars or Bosnia or anything icky.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 21, 2013 02:58 PM (kXoT0)

143 Isn't their a course he could teach at the Naval Academy? There is a role for a John McCain in America. Let him pass on whatever wisdom he has to current and future pilots about keeping the faith and surviving in the worst of it. But he is no longer fit to lead or serve in the Senate.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 02:59 PM (gmeXX)

144 **McRINO take all the credit for the Surge when every-fucking-body knew it was *his* ass on the line if it fucked up. **

this is new to me.

W owned the surge.

But of course, no one gives him credit. The donks cannot and the GOP seemingly think it's good politics to accept the opposition spin that W sucked and is a liability in every form.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 21, 2013 02:59 PM (QxSug)

145 @73 Say what you will about Mitt Romney, but after he lost, he pretty much shut up and wondered off to go back to doing whatever he was doing before he ran for President.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (Q9qpj)

146 McCain is as much as an individual hard head and contrarian as many of you are. Because he is a Republican , that contrarian streak is directed at fellow Republicans. He is also a fighter pilot and son of an Admiral. That's some ego food if there ever was .

I don't like him, but I understand him. I honor him for his service but respectfully think he is full of shit.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (m2CN7)

147 Let your flatulence fly, scientists urge passengers

http://tinyurl.com/a8ue86f



Posted by: kbdabear at February 21, 2013 02:48 PMPlease fasten your seatbelts, return your seats to the upright position, and please stop asking the flight attendants to pull on your finger

Posted by: Capt Oveur at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (mCvL4)

148 115 McLame vs Obama was the Kobayashi Maru, there was no way to win.

McCain lost to Bush, in 2000.
It didn't seem like a good idea to me...to run the previous loser, against the charismatic black guy.

But then...we did it again.
Romney lost to McCain, in 2008.
So we ran the loser...who lost to the previous loser!

Posted by: wheatie at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (DZbQ0)

149 There are only 3 hours out of every 4 years that the GOP gets a chance to make its case to the American people. During the debates…

If they play it smart, the convention provides a few more hours.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (QF8uk)

150 Joe Klein and the JOURNAListers turned on McCain during the 2008 campaign and it took him till now to realize that these folks aren't his "friends" ?

Posted by: Baron Münchhausen at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (e8kgV)

151 Univision benefits from many fewer Spanish-language channels to split the audience. But yeah, Univision has been doing very well.

I'm sure they are ecstatic about the amnesty on the way.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (ZPrif)

152
112 -

Right. Because giving in and trying not to look bad in front of the Washington press corps has worked so well for them.

Is there are a reason to have ANY R Senators in Washington? If we follow your formula, then I can't see how. Let them have all the seats.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (TOk1P)

153 Shit.


Biden is pushing legislation limiting double barrel shotguns to 7 rounds.

Posted by: RWC at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (fWAjv)

154 FuckMcCain. Take this from the Detroit News:
Detroit — Nearly half of the owners of Detroit's 305,000 properties failed to pay their tax bills last year, exacerbating a punishing cycle of declining revenues and diminished services for a city in a financial crisis, according to a Detroit News analysis of government records.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (wbmaj)

155 Isn't their a course he could teach at the Naval
Academy? There is a role for a John McCain in America. Let him pass on
whatever wisdom he has to current and future pilots about keeping the
faith and surviving in the worst of it. But he is no longer fit to lead
or serve in the Senate.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 02:59 PM (gmeXX)



Wal-Mart greeter, please.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (xmcEQ)

156 I've read a lot of comments made by a lot of different people at ace's site and 99% of you wouldn't have fallen for this bullshit.
Posted by: Dr Spank


*Downs rest of whiskey*

*Looks for pants*

Sorry, what?

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (BrQrN)

157 >>>>I'll feel much better when Generation X really starts leading, and all thoes baby boomers are gone (from office). Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 02:55 PM (gmeXX)

Technically, Obama is Gen X

Posted by: Bigby's Dutch Rub at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (3ZtZW)

158 22At least everybody hates McStain now and his fatassed daughter.
Posted by: Captain Hate

I do not like that woman, but I like her boobs. I love her boobs. I love boobs. Boobs.

Posted by: JJ Stone at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (jNPVB)

159 The thing is...um, well, isn't this wEird? I mean, well, you, uh, sorry,,, what was the question again?

Posted by: meghan mccain at February 21, 2013 03:01 PM (4eNxd)

160 .... he was your party nominee.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 21, 2013 02:42 PM (w+Dvf)


No sir.
He was the media pick that was shoved down our throat.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM

Like Romney, he went from unelectable to front runner by skullduggery.
Romney came in third in Iowa and Maine but Rove et al made sure otherwise.

Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at February 21, 2013 03:01 PM (+I8Mq)

161 120
The first line of hte article you quoted from says it all - the five
term senator. Each term is six years. That is simply too long. Even the
best firebrands lose their fastball (not that McCain was that).
Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 02:55 PM (gmeXX)


What too is gulling, are the "been there way too long" Senators or Congressmen who are appalled at the unmitigated nerve of a freshman dare open his or her mouth! Look how they jumped on Ted Cruz with their "how dare he question authority with authority" attitude. Did same thing when finance whiz Pat Toomey had the tenacity to offer a budget as a new comer. GASP! The horror of it all!

Posted by: Deli LLama at February 21, 2013 03:01 PM (lGu1O)

162

Now and then when I see her face
She takes me away to that special place
And if I stare too long, I'd probably break down and cry

Whoa, oh, oh, sweet child o' mine
Whoa, oh, oh, oh, sweet love of mine

She's got eyes of the bluest skies
As if they thought of rain
I'd hate to look into those eyes and see an ounce of pain

...

Where do we go?
Where do we go now?
Where do we go?

Where do we go?
Where do we go now?
Oh, where do we go now?

Posted by: guns and stooges at February 21, 2013 03:01 PM (LpQbZ)

163 @151

Como estas, bitchezzz!


Because I had to.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 21, 2013 03:01 PM (t06LC)

164 But of course, no one gives him credit. The donks cannot and the GOP seemingly think it's good politics to accept the opposition spin that W sucked and is a liability in every form.
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 21, 2013 02:59 PM (QxSug)

I guess I was one of those in the 30% who supported W to the end. Yeah, I know: big government compassionate conservative, yadda, yadda, but I never doubted his integrity or love of country. Those qualities go a long way with me.

Posted by: troyriser at February 21, 2013 03:02 PM (vtiE6)

165 That was the part that was interesting: Spanish-language programming is now more popular than English-language programming.




Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 02:55 PM (/kI1Q)

________________________
In LA and NY (and probably other cities too) Spanish local news broadcasts often win ratings outright over the ABC, NBC, CBS affiliate broadcasts.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 21, 2013 03:02 PM (HDgX3)

166 You know if the N. Vietnamese had really wanted a confession from McCain instead of twisting his arms out of socket and beating the shit outta him they should have just lined up Hanoi Jane and some reporters with cameras. Then he would have copped to anything they wanted.

Posted by: maddogg at February 21, 2013 03:02 PM (OlN4e)

167 #151 Univision to buy CBS, ABC, and NBC. All broadcasts to be subtitled in English.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 21, 2013 03:02 PM (wbmaj)

168
145 -

When was he EVER not running for President?

Posted by: BurtTC at February 21, 2013 03:02 PM (TOk1P)

169
Say what you will about Mitt Romney, but after he lost, he pretty much shut up and wondered off to go back to doing whatever he was doing before he ran for President.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth




What say we hold that thought until we see what Mitt comes up with at CPAC.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 21, 2013 03:02 PM (kdS6q)

170 how was McCain forced on the GOP in 2008? other people split the vote

Posted by: JDP at February 21, 2013 03:02 PM (60GaT)

171 I still think Ace should link to the article about the Columbine victim that wrote a letter to Owebama about how useless his gun ban push is.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 21, 2013 03:02 PM (xmcEQ)

172 I'm sure I wasn't the only person who was furious that GWB, whom I admired as a person more than I did as a President, let McRINO take all the credit for the Surge when every-fucking-body knew it was *his* ass on the line if it fucked up. Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 02:52 PM (j0lEX)
Bush was always more concerned about the mission than about the credit. Admittedly that's not a good trait for a politician.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 03:03 PM (m2CN7)

173 Reconquista, baby. Those gringos are so fucking easy.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 21, 2013 03:03 PM (wbmaj)

174
calling Chelsea Clinton 'plain' would be a complement

Posted by: soothsayer at February 21, 2013 03:03 PM (/eLjI)

175 the convention?

My favorite moment was after Sarah! gave her barnburning grandslam of a speech, the newsies immediately noted that she didn't write that speech.

As if speech writers are a liabilty.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 21, 2013 03:03 PM (QxSug)

176 *Downs rest of whiskey*



*Looks for pants*



Sorry, what?

Posted by: Lurking Canuck


I never said you people were smart, or non-alcoholics, just not as gullible as an 80 year old man with Alzheimer's.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 21, 2013 03:03 PM (w+Dvf)

177 Interesting how he was able to resist the Vietnamese torture with the intent of making him a propaganda figurehead, but he can't recognize the media doing it to him with a smile.

Posted by: Jean at February 21, 2013 03:03 PM (bR2AR)

178 this is new to me.



W owned the surge.



But of course, no one gives him credit. The donks cannot and the
GOP seemingly think it's good politics to accept the opposition spin
that W sucked and is a liability in every form.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 21, 2013 02:59 PM (QxSug)


You and every other fellow moron know this but McAmnesty was campaigning in 2008, in the rare moments when he acted like he was trying to win, as if he was the whole story behind the Surge; with GWB doing something ineptly off to the side.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 03:03 PM (j0lEX)

179
153 -

Oh, I thought you were going to say limiting them to one barrel.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 21, 2013 03:04 PM (TOk1P)

180 177 - He explained that during the Convention: The commies broke him. It wasStockholm Syndrome ever since.

Posted by: Bigby's Dutch Rub at February 21, 2013 03:04 PM (3ZtZW)

181 Wow, what a great idea! All the Gen X'ers I work with are such a stalwart lot and none of them were messed up by any of the Gulf Wars or Bosnia or anything icky

----

Sherry, I am biased of course, being a part of the generation. Of course some were messed up, but they had the fortune of being in a country that valued and rewarded their efforts and gave them the support they needed. The aftermath of the two wars is completely different. For one, one group was hailed as victors, the other not so much. This is unfortunate, and I do not think right, but it is the facts.

My other point, is the baby boom generation (and McCain is actually part of the Silent Generation) has shown that they are not fit to lead in today's society. They grew up in a different time. They grew up in nothing but abundance. Generation X grew up in a much different world.

Anyway, I could go on. Much of this is generalizatoins, as it must be when discussing generations. Sufficeit to say, I think Generation X will lead America back to greatness. But we won't get any of the credit. And that is fine with us.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 03:05 PM (gmeXX)

182
In LA and NY (and probably other cities too) Spanish local news broadcasts often win ratings outright over the ABC, NBC, CBS affiliate broadcasts.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo




The spanish channel newsgirls are pretty hot. Beats the "not into guys" girls over on the networks.

And the mexicans show more gore in the news clips.

Watch 'em myself sometimes.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 21, 2013 03:05 PM (kdS6q)

183 The latin invasion is drying up due to low birth rates. Pretty much only Guatemala and Haiti are still pumping out the babies like before. And Haiti obviously ain't Latin.

Haiti's birthrate actually went up after the earthquake.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 21, 2013 03:05 PM (ZPrif)

184 The spanish channel newsgirls are pretty hot. Beats the "not into guys" girls over on the networks.

And the mexicans show more gore in the news clips.

Watch 'em myself sometimes.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 21, 2013 03:05 PM (kdS6q)

___________
Jackie Guerrero mmmmmmm

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 21, 2013 03:06 PM (HDgX3)

185 >He was the media pick that was shoved down our throat.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM (xmcEQ)


And, it was his turn.

Also, forgot who asked it, but no, pantsless is not a problem. In fact, it is the preferred dress for commenting.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 21, 2013 03:06 PM (8sCoq)

186 What what what ???


SAN JOSE (KPIX 5) – Law enforcement agencies have begun adopting a new policy on so-called “active shooters,” encouraging civilians to take safety into their own hands and take down gunmen who threaten them at work or school.


Kind of like 'garbage goes in garbage can.' Hmm, makes sense.

Posted by: RWC at February 21, 2013 03:06 PM (fWAjv)

187 (CNN) – The nation’s 39th president has no relationship with its 44th.

That’s how Jimmy Carter described his interaction with President Barack Obama in an interview with CNN’s “Piers Morgan Tonight,” set to air Thursday.

“We don’t have any relationship,” Carter said. “I met with him earlier in his administration, but we don’t really have any relationship.”

... "Not Able To Play With Others" still isn't an impeachable offense

Posted by: Obama's second grade teacher at February 21, 2013 03:07 PM (e8kgV)

188 **I guess I was one of those in the 30% who supported W to the end. Yeah, I know: big government compassionate conservative, yadda, yadda, but I never doubted his integrity or love of country. Those qualities go a long way with me.**

I mean, ok. Listen to a liberal slam W. They aren't saying " big government compassionate conservative, yadda, yadda," they're saying "worst person/president ever who caused the mess we're in with tax cuts."

Our criticisms of W are inside baseball nonsense for the most part. The left's criticism is their liberal insanity taking root, replacing reality.

To low info voters, LIV, the end result is that everyone hates W, and therefore the GOP is stupid and no one votes for the GOP.*

* of course, this is a lie, in 2012, we got more white votes than reagan did in 1984, it's the new americans who have been programmed to hate the GOP who went heavily for the Waiver Emperor, JEF, probably because of 8 years of GOP bashing and the GOP acting like W farted.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 21, 2013 03:07 PM (QxSug)

189 "I've said it before, the country will be better off when the Vietnam War
generation is no longer governing, particularly those who served. The
war and its aftermath just screwed them up."

All those screwed up Baby Boomers rebuilt the U.S. military, especially the U.S. Army, into what it was in the 1980s, 1990s and 2000s...precisely because they learned valuable lessons in Vietnam.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 21, 2013 03:07 PM (Q9qpj)

190 I guess I was one of those in the 30% who supported W to the end. Yeah, I know: big government compassionate conservative, yadda, yadda, but I never doubted his integrity or love of country. Those qualities go a long way with me.
Posted by: troyriser at February 21, 2013 03:02 PM (vtiE6)

As is well known, I continue to support him and his record which has been greatly mischaracterized.

And I've said it before, whether we like it or not, the caricature of Republicansare that we are not compassionate because most don't accept our compassion is really tough love. Tough love was rebranded as compassionate conservatism to try and change that perception not to concede that Republicans were not compassionate before.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 03:07 PM (m2CN7)

191 In 2008 Romney was considered the conservative alternative to John McCain.


Think about that for a second.....

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 21, 2013 03:07 PM (HDgX3)

192
Mc Cain and Graham AND too many other "conservatives" were probably sincere when they first went to DC. But the DC games corrupted them and wore them down.

The scary part is I think Rubio is headed down the same path.
And Rand Paul may turn into LuapNor Jr.

Posted by: rd at February 21, 2013 03:07 PM (zLp5I)

193 183The latin invasion is drying up due to low birth rates. Pretty much only Guatemala and Haiti are still pumping out the babies like before. And Haiti obviously ain't Latin.

Haiti's birthrate actually went up after the earthquake.Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 21, 2013 03:05 PM (ZPrif) Man those Hatians should patent their prosperity formula.

Posted by: maddogg at February 21, 2013 03:07 PM (OlN4e)

194 McCain's biggest problem is that he does not know when to shut his mouth.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 03:08 PM (9Bj8R)

195 >Interesting how he was able to resist the Vietnamese
torture with the intent of making him a propaganda figurehead, but he
can't recognize the media doing it to him with a smile.

Posted by: Jean at February 21, 2013 03:03 PM (bR2AR)


OOOOOH that's gonna leave a mark
well done

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 21, 2013 03:08 PM (8sCoq)

196 153
Shit.





Biden is pushing legislation limiting double barrel shotguns to 7 rounds.

Posted by: RWC at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (fWAjv)

[Golf clap]

Posted by: joncelli at February 21, 2013 03:08 PM (RD7QR)

197 No way Barack is Gen X. He is at the tail end of the Boomers (according to Wikipedia, so true), which I'm sure has also had a negative effect on him. He didn't get to live during the Boomer protest heyday.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 03:08 PM (gmeXX)

198 150
Joe Klein and the JOURNAListers turned on McCain during the 2008
campaign and it took him till now to realize that these folks aren't his
"friends" ?


Posted by: Baron Münchhausen at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (e8kgV)
They wanted McCain. They pushed McCain. Then as planned, when he officially became THE nominee, they were all "gee, he has to have mental problems from being a prisoner of war for so long" "his POW years had to have left some bad scares." Nothing the commie media does is by accident. And any politician who hasn't learned that by now should be replaced!

Posted by: Deli LLama at February 21, 2013 03:08 PM (lGu1O)

199 Wal-Mart greeter, please.


Posted by: © Sponge at February 21, 2013 03:00 PM (xmcEQ)

We don't have greeters anymore, but I am looking for someone to man the phone at the fitting room and to fold all the random putbacks that accumulate in a shopping cart.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 21, 2013 03:08 PM (Q9qpj)

200
For his seemingly incessant paeans to "reaching across the aisle" and his egotistic zeal to be part of every "Gang of ###" du jour, he can eff off.

That is all.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 21, 2013 03:09 PM (Jcd0S)

201 Yeah, I know: big government compassionate conservative, yadda, yadda, but I never doubted his integrity or love of country. Those qualities go a long way with me.

I found it both amusing and frustrating to constantly be defending W from completely idiotic leftard Bushitlercheneyburton stupidity, yet criticizing him from the right for his big government impulses whichthese sameleftists would generally love....if it didn't come from a pro-life 'cowboy'.

Generally speaking and unsurprisingly, they didn't get it.

A strange eight years.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 21, 2013 03:09 PM (BrQrN)

202 Wow, now that Beltway Insider Jennifer Rubin is sticking up for Karl Rove, I will just have to rethink my neanderthal non expert opinions

10 complaints about Karl Rove

http://tinyurl.com/akaob97

Posted by: kbdabear at February 21, 2013 03:09 PM (mCvL4)

203 more asterisk:
And of course, Mackerel and Romney being afraid to use wedges to advance their campaigns.

These wedges could make blacks fear open borders nuts like JEF who will drive down wages, or get asians to oppose Affirmative Action which hurt Tiger Mommy's shot at getting John into Harvard. Or the ghey issue which is totally why we lost in 2012 and will lose forever.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 21, 2013 03:10 PM (QxSug)

204 145
@73 Say what you will about Mitt Romney, but after he lost, he pretty
much shut up and wondered off to go back to doing whatever he was doing
before he ran for President.


Graduating from high school ?





Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at February 21, 2013 03:10 PM (EZl54)

205
185 -

This is what I don't understand. People go through all these convoluted theories as to how and why the R party nominates its Prez candidate, and it's like when parents have a hard time explaning where babies come from. It's all storks and islands and magic and prayer, when really, it's just because somebody got f**ked.

Any of you people who think they're going to do it differently in '16 are kidding yourselves.

Bend over.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 21, 2013 03:10 PM (TOk1P)

206 120 ---"I'll feel much better when Generation X really starts leading, and all those baby boomers are gone (from office)."
Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 02:55 PM (gmeXX)

Think so? Heh.
You think Gen X is more conservative than the Boomers?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 21, 2013 03:10 PM (C8mVl)

207 The Haitian prosperity formula is to hang out in tent cities bonking each other and accusing white people of being racist for not rebuilding their country faster and for not making the free food handouts tasty enough.

Meanwhile Japan's quake was 10x worse, had buildings 100x taller -- yet nobody is living in tent cities.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 21, 2013 03:11 PM (ZPrif)

208 As far as hagel is concerned the longer we can hold up any vote the greater the chance something else will come out or some dem ( hopefully some Jew Dem, and I am Jewish so don't flip out ) will grow a set or a conscionce.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 03:11 PM (9Bj8R)

209 All those moments...will be lost...like tear...in rain....


...time to die.



Why did he let Deckard live? I just don't get that.




Posted by: eleven at February 21, 2013 03:11 PM (KXm42)

210 191

well Romney could've been stopped this go around. it's just that his opponents happened to be 'tards.

Posted by: JDP at February 21, 2013 03:11 PM (60GaT)

211 His ego is hereditary.

His grandfather was an admiral and a dick, his dad was an admiral and a dick.

Surprise. The grandson is a US Senator and a dick.

When you grow up with dickheads, you think that is the norm. You get use to ordering people around and telling them to ignore your stupid.

Not much left to tell, except this dickhead left his first wife to marry a Bud distributor for her money.

So in the line, this one wins as the biggest McCain dickhead.

That is all.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 21, 2013 03:11 PM (wR+pz)

212 Anyway, Mackerel was too dumb to realize that the media would turn on him.

I bet his ad buys sucked ass too.

I know his Get Out the Vote efforts were worse than 2004, and probably drove people to vote for JEF.

So, we lost on the ground as well.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 21, 2013 03:12 PM (QxSug)

213 I guess I was one of those in the 30% who supported W
to the end. Yeah, I know: big government compassionate conservative,
yadda, yadda, but I never doubted his integrity or love of country.
Those qualities go a long way with me.

Posted by: troyriser at February 21, 2013 03:02 PM (vtiE6)


I was embarrassed for the country when the gladhanding human garbage attending the JEF's disgusting inauguration jeered GWB and Laura when they departed.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 03:12 PM (j0lEX)

214 171 I still think Ace should link to the article about the Columbine victim that wrote a letter to Owebama about how useless his gun ban push is.

<--another vote for that one. Been waiting all day.

Posted by: akula51 at February 21, 2013 03:12 PM (EzOzr)

215 but I never doubted his integrity or love of country. Those qualities go a long way with me

----

Ditto. Though I still like him, Robert's Obamacare vote really hurt his legacy in my eyes. Now Roberts has a long time to redeem himself, but it will be tough. The one thing I could say with pride was that Bush got 2 great conservatives on the court. Now I'm starting to doubt it.

But I still like him. And I can say that and fully admit that he wasn't the most conservative of presidents.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 03:12 PM (gmeXX)

216 We don't have greeters anymore, but I am looking for
someone to man the phone at the fitting room and to fold all the random
putbacks that accumulate in a shopping cart.


Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 21, 2013 03:08 PM (Q9qpj)

They do in NC. I get greeted everyday. Mostly they watch the thugs to see what they are stealing.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 21, 2013 03:12 PM (wR+pz)

217
You guys laughing about limiting the double barrel to 7 shots ought to watch this.


http://tinyurl.com/agoys84

Posted by: maddogg at February 21, 2013 03:13 PM (OlN4e)

218 I never said you people were smart, or non-alcoholics, just not as gullible as an 80 year old man with Alzheimer's.

You forgot perverted and obsessed with tits.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 21, 2013 03:13 PM (BrQrN)

219 Think so? Heh. You think Gen X is more conservative than the Boomers

---

No, but I think we will produce better conservative leaders.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 03:13 PM (gmeXX)

220 As is well known, I continue to support him and his record which has been greatly mischaracterized.
Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 03:07 PM (m2CN7)

Er, polynikes? Your support of W is not all that well known. We're posting in the comments section of a blog, so that's probably two of us, including yourself,who now know you like and support W.

Posted by: troyriser at February 21, 2013 03:14 PM (vtiE6)

221 Who the fuck does Ted Cruz think he is? He only has one house, and it's in his HOME STATE, for fuck's sake. He's not based out of Georgetown or Northern Virginia like the rest of us. Fucking rube.

Posted by: John McCain IS MAD AS HELL at February 21, 2013 03:14 PM (Q9qpj)

222 Wow, now that Beltway Insider Jennifer Rubin is sticking up for Karl Rove



What a shocker; I didn't see that coming ::rolleyes::

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 03:14 PM (j0lEX)

223 Why did he let Deckard live? I just don't get that.

There's two ways of looking at this:

1. Batty has a sudden change of heart watching Deckard fight so hard to live, knowing he's about to die anyway.


2. Batty discovers he's another kindred replicant and wants to save him, so at least one of them is able to live.


Number 1 is what we're given with the original release. Number 2 makes sense after Ridley Scott admits that Deckard was indeed a replicant all along.

I prefer #1.

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 03:14 PM (GQ8sn)

224 Et tu Daily Show?
*gasp*

Et tu?

Posted by: Senator McCainus Maximus at February 21, 2013 03:14 PM (EZl54)

225 But I still like him. And I can say that and fully admit that he wasn't the most conservative of presidents.
Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 03:12 PM (gmeXX)

He was as conservative as Ronald Reagan is you compare records.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 03:15 PM (m2CN7)

226 Stop criticizing my daddy!

Posted by: meeeghan ( . Y . ) mccain at February 21, 2013 03:15 PM (ORGYc)

227 As far as hagel is concerned the longer we can hold up any vote the
greater the chance something else will come out or some dem ( hopefully
some Jew Dem, and I am Jewish so don't flip out ) will grow a set or a
conscionce.


Obama will be out of office long before a Senate Dem finds his conscious.

It's already come out that Hagel acted as a paid shill for Iran. At this point he could tongue kiss Ahmadinejad on live TV and the Dems would still back him.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 21, 2013 03:17 PM (SY2Kh)

228 His grandfather was an admiral and a dick, his dad was an admiral and a dick.

Surprise. The grandson is a US Senator and a dick.

Not much left to tell, except this dickhead left his first wife to marry a Bud distributor for her money.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 21, 2013 03:11 PM

What's wrong with dicks? I get offered them all the time!

Posted by: Meghan McCain at February 21, 2013 03:17 PM (mCvL4)

229 181----
My other point, is the baby boom generation (and McCain is actually part of the Silent Generation) has shown that they are not fit to lead in today's society. They grew up in a different time. They grew up in nothing but abundance. Generation X grew up in a much different world. ......I think Generation X will lead America back to greatness. "

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 03:05 PM (gmeXX)

The Boomers did NOT grow up in a more "abundant" society. They were no more spoiled than Gen Xers, perhaps less so since they had the draft and a major war to contend with.

Did Gen X vote for McCain? For Romney? NO.
But the Boomers did.

I deeply wish you were right, but you are not.


Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 21, 2013 03:17 PM (C8mVl)

230 Poly - I like them both. And at the end of the day, I'm glad Bush was at the helm after 9/11 rather than Gore. I could do without DHS though.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 03:17 PM (gmeXX)

231 Jennifer Rubin annoys the hell out of me. Even when I agree with her (which isn't often), she annoys the hell out of me.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 21, 2013 03:18 PM (Q9qpj)

232 Er, polynikes? Your support of W is not all that well known. We're posting in the comments section of a blog, so that's probably two of us, including yourself,who now know you like and support W.
Posted by: troyriser at February 21, 2013 03:14 PM (vtiE6)

long time posters here know and that is to whom I'm referring. I spent eight years defending Bush from Miers to the Port deal.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 03:18 PM (m2CN7)

233 McCain is the poster child for the GOP party of stupid.

Posted by: Bosk at February 21, 2013 03:18 PM (n2K+4)

234 Did not know that.

Posted by: eleven at February 21, 2013 03:18 PM (KXm42)

235 Did someone say tits?

http://is.gd/HdzmJL

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 03:19 PM (/kI1Q)

236 No, but I think we will produce better conservative leaders.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 03:13 PM (gmeXX)

Jumps up and down waving hands. "Look at me, look at me! Tits AND glasses!"

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 21, 2013 03:19 PM (Q9qpj)

237 Tits AND glasses


I'll take it.

Posted by: eleven at February 21, 2013 03:21 PM (KXm42)

238
I've long had a theory that McCain is just a contrary old cuss who has a serious problem with authority, starting when he was a kid. Same reason he graduated near the bottom of his class at Canoe U, and was constantly getting in trouble when in the Navy, and the Mavericky stuff.

Even his undisputed heroism as a POW is rooted largely in his defiance against authority.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 21, 2013 03:21 PM (TIIx5)

239 Did not know that.
Yuck. Yuck. Yuck.
Heyooooooooooooooo!

Posted by: zombie ed mcmahon at February 21, 2013 03:21 PM (ORGYc)

240 **No, but I think we will produce better conservative leaders.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 03:13 PM (gmeXX) **

Then we need to protect them in their incubation period at the lower levels so they dont' get Delay'd or otherwise Macacca'd

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 21, 2013 03:21 PM (QxSug)

241 Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 03:18 PM (m2CN7)

Oh, so you were the one person defending him on Harriet Miers thing.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 21, 2013 03:21 PM (Q9qpj)

242 @187

I guess Obama has read all the fucking racist shit Carter said to get elected Governor of GA.


Also, he doesn't want that stink of death near him.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 21, 2013 03:22 PM (wR+pz)

243
Did not know that.


Pissed off a lot of longtime fans because it fucks with the entire movie. Certain parts don't make sense anymore if Deckard really was a replicant. Other parts become more interesting. All in all, I prefer the original ending where Batty forgives Deckard and decides to save him even though he spent the entire movie killing off his comrades in arms. That act makes him more human than human.

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 03:22 PM (GQ8sn)

244 Jumps up and down waving hands. "Look at me, look at me! Tits AND glasses!"


Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 21, 2013 03:19 PM

No, I'll wait for Bernadette Rostenkowski

Posted by: kbdabear at February 21, 2013 03:22 PM (mCvL4)

245 Did you guys check out Heather's tit?

Posted by: eleven at February 21, 2013 03:23 PM (KXm42)

246 MDV - I encourage you to read some works on the different generations. Boomers grew up in the nuclear family during the 50's when America was the supermarket to the world. Gen Xrs grew up in a wave of divorce, during a period of soviet ascenion when many thought America's best days were behind her. Now Reagan turned that around, but it came late in the 80's when it became crystal clear that Reagan was right.

A gemeration is made during their childhood and formative years. And I would submit for BOomers, it is quite different for X'rs (as a whole - I came from a very nuclear family).

And you are right on the draft and war. It has affected their view of war for their entire lives. Xrs saw war a little differently because we saw the fall of communism and the victory of the Gulf War.

All of those are major generational events that affect the generation going forward. And it plays a roll.

I don't contend that Generation X is more conservative than Boomers, I simply contend that we saw the world differently, and it will affect how we govern. No Gex Xr believes that social security will be there for him. That affects us. We will make different choices, and I think we will make more conservative choices.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 03:24 PM (gmeXX)

247 That act makes him more human than human.


Aaaahhhhh.....now I get it. Finally.

Posted by: eleven at February 21, 2013 03:24 PM (KXm42)

248 219 ---"...I think we will produce better conservative leaders."
Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 03:13 PM (gmeXX)

Ah, I see what you are saying! I agree. The Gen X bench does look MUCH better than what the Boomers coughed up.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 21, 2013 03:25 PM (C8mVl)

249 Did you guys check out Heather's tit?

Heather's tit is so pretty!

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 03:25 PM (GQ8sn)

250 His grandfather was an admiral and a dick, his dad was an admiral and a dick.Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 21, 2013 03:11 PM (wR+pz)


Yup, I work with the great-grandson of a very famous admiral and it is not possible to be more worthless than this guy. I do not blame his Great-Granddad, but, whooo, lordy, whomever is responsible needs a major ass-whuppin.

SH--You are entitled to feel proud of your generation and I hope they do great things, but, as the widow of a VN Combat Infantry Veteran who died in agony from Agent Orange poisoning and yet he never hated this country or gave up on it, so you will pardon me if I take issue with your blanket remarks about VN vets.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 21, 2013 03:26 PM (kXoT0)

251 Anyone want an origami unicorn with a boner?

Posted by: japanese detective at February 21, 2013 03:26 PM (ORGYc)

252 Did Gen X vote for McCain? For Romney? NO.


The Xers 35-49 voted for Romney. The ones 25-34 didn't.

It's a stupid categorization, as stupid as lumping 1964 births in with 1946 births.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 03:26 PM (/kI1Q)

253 Like a skin-job can be more human than a human!

Posted by: racist future police captain at February 21, 2013 03:27 PM (ORGYc)

254 246----"We will make different choices, and I think we will make more conservative choices. "
Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 03:24 PM (gmeXX)

You voted for Obama.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 21, 2013 03:28 PM (C8mVl)

255 Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 03:18 PM (m2CN7)Oh, so you were the one person defending him on Harriet Miers thing.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 21, 2013 03:21 PM (Q9qpj)

Yep and still do. What I don't do is question the 'unquestionable wisdom' of the Miers over the top critics who were huge advocates for John Roberts. I guess until just now.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 03:29 PM (m2CN7)

256 And yes I was also a supporter of the Roberts nomination.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 03:30 PM (m2CN7)

257 252---It's a stupid categorization, as stupid as lumping 1964 births in with 1946 births.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 03:26 PM (/kI1Q)

I agree. I think Ortega y Gasset's notion of the 15 year "generation" is better than the 20 year spread.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 21, 2013 03:31 PM (C8mVl)

258 "Anyone with an ego has to know he has an ego, and watch for the ways the
ego may betray him and tell him things that just aren't true. McCain
didn't. And I bet he still doesn't really understand how this
happened."

This.

What I wish I could do with McCain is sit down with him at a computer and show him all of the shit that liberals stuck out there on the Internet in 2008.

For instance, specifically and personally accusing him of starting the fire on the USS _Forrestal_ that horribly killed hundreds of sailors.

Just absolutely brutal, baseless character assassination in total defiance of the facts.

And then looking him square in the eye and saying, "John, with all due respect, you don't know who you're dealing with on the other side of the aisle. You have no idea how untrustworthy and evil they can be. You never have known. You don't know now. You never will. And your blindness in this regard has done the country huge damage. You need to get out of public life. Today."

Posted by: torquewrench at February 21, 2013 03:31 PM (gqT4g)

259 Like a skin-job can be more human than a human!


Somebody give you a calfskin wallet for your birthday?

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 03:32 PM (GQ8sn)

260
Ever notice how exasperated Mccain gets when a constituentquestions him? He really doesn't like people in general and people that question him in particular. He personifies all that's wrong in DC these days.

Posted by: mark c at February 21, 2013 03:34 PM (hnhBR)

261 "McCain has a hell of an ego on him."

Surprising that a carrier pilot and a US Senator would have an ego...

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at February 21, 2013 03:34 PM (hLRSq)

262 It's like a black hole for stupid in the Beltway.

Posted by: torabora at February 21, 2013 03:35 PM (TPYvA)

263 long time posters here know and that is to whom I'm referring. I spent eight years defending Bush from Miers to the Port deal.
Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 03:18 PM (m2CN7)

I've beenlurking and posting on here for awhile myself, but that wasn't my point.My point is comments on a blog don't matter much in the scheme of things. I was being snarky and facetious, sorry. It's been that kind of day.

Posted by: troyriser at February 21, 2013 03:36 PM (vtiE6)

264 Aww man, of course I'm in a meeting when I get a sideways hat-tip. I invented "Serious You Guys" with the capitalization, as far as I know

Posted by: Ian S. at February 21, 2013 03:38 PM (B/VB5)

265 SH--You are entitled to feel proud of your generation and I hope they do great things, but, as the widow of a VN Combat Infantry Veteran who died in agony from Agent Orange poisoning and yet he never hated this country or gave up on it, so you will pardon me if I take issue with your blanket remarks about VN vets.

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Sherry, I am sorry to hear that, and I have no doubt that he loved this country. I have an uncle who is messed up from Agent Orange (though nothing like what you described) and he too loves this country.

Unfortunately, when speaking of generations, you can only speak in generalizations. I would gather that the great majority who served in Vietnam have never lost their love for the country. I only wish those people would have been the ones who had a chance to lead us afterward.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 03:39 PM (gmeXX)

266 Dr Spank: "I never said you people were smart, or non-alcoholics, just not as gullible as an 80 year old man with Alzheimer's."

Beautifully stated. I have that practically verbatim in How to Win Friends and Influence People, Ed. 1.

Posted by: Dale Carnegie at February 21, 2013 03:40 PM (eHIJJ)

267 When Ace suspends a post it causes me to doublespeak.

When Ace suspends a post it causes me to doublespeak.

Oh, and muck F'Cain.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at February 21, 2013 03:42 PM (ndp2I)

268 Haiti's birthrate actually went up after the earthquake.

The UN Rape Squads strike again.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 21, 2013 03:48 PM (evdj2)

269 McCain is on a quest to get back at everyone who voted for him.

Posted by: Max Entropy at February 21, 2013 04:03 PM (0Xf2t)

270 All of that may be true, Ace.

He deserves a lot of the opprobrium conservatives throw at him.

But!

I still have to give the old man serious props for his tenacious concern with, inquiries about, and statements on the topic of Benghazi. He's one of the very few who has not let that go. One of the few who's spoken out consistently since it happened and said what needed to be said, who's publicly registered the kind of outrage I felt and feel about Benghazi, and isn't shutting up about it just because the election is long past. I absolutely believe his outrage on this topic is heartfelt, sincere, principled-- that it goes to McCain's deepest sense of honor (as a man, a soldier, an American).

So. I'm sick and tired of him for many of the reasons many here are. But-- because of Benghazi, just for that and that alone, I take my hat off to him.

Posted by: lael at February 21, 2013 04:18 PM (NqArY)

271
In "Thud Ridge", about the air war in SEA, Broughton describes early efforts to field good jet fighters. One series of F84 was known as "the lieutenant eater" and another serieswas so bad that it was flatbedded to the desert to be targets for air to ground training.
You can screw up as a pilot by commission or omission, but there still remains the possibility--less so now--that the airplane will just do something stupid and beyond the pilot's capacity to manage.

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at February 21, 2013 04:36 PM (MQcrX)

272
"And then looking him square in the eye and saying, "John, with all due respect, you don't know who you're dealing with on the other side of the aisle. You have no idea how untrustworthy and evil they can be. You never have known. You don't know now. You never will. And your blindness in this regard has done the country huge damage. You need to get out of public life." Today."Posted by: torquewrench at February 21, 2013 03:31 PM



In fact, this needs to be said to 90% of the Republicans in Washington. The levels of delusion and ignorance with these people staggers imagination.

Posted by: rrpjr at February 21, 2013 04:38 PM (ov8L3)

273 The Story of John McCain
Chapter One
John was a great war hero, truly so.
Chapter Two
John married a very very rich woman
The End.

Posted by: mytralman at February 21, 2013 05:24 PM (KeG/u)

274 McCain was never a "maverick" -- he was simply an attention whore. He'd do whatever got him coverage in the press, and if that meant going against the Republican position, then that's what he'd do. And he did it a lot. And the press ate it up, and bestowed the title "maverick" on him.

He's just an unprincipled politician (but I repeat myself).

Posted by: Abbie Normal at February 21, 2013 06:54 PM (FxDe/)






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