Florida Governor Rick Scott Caves On ObamaCare, Will Expand Medicaid

Rick Scott rode his opposition to ObamaCare to the governorship of Florida. Yesterday he completed his journey to the dark side and embraced a massive extension of Medicaid via Obamacare.

To be sure, Scott argues that his decision is only temporary and contingent on federal taxpayers picking up the entire cost of the expansion. The way the law was written, the federal government agreed to cover the full cost for the first three years, and gradually raise the state contribution until it reaches 10 percent. Scott has proposed sun-setting the expansion to expire after three years, or earlier if the federal government backed off their commitment to fully fund it.

In practice, however, this sunset idea is incoherent. Scott is up for reelection in 2014, and no matter who is in office, it’s doubtful that after three years of allowing broader Medicaid eligibility, that the state would suddenly kick people off the program or prevent new Floridians from enrolling under eligibility standards that have prevailed for three years. Even Scott seems to acknowledge this by saying, “I want to be clear that we will not simply deny new Medicaid recipients health insurance three years from now.” Realistically, this was Scott’s one and only chance to resist the Medicaid expansion, and he folded.

Florida under Scott was among the first states to sue to overturn ObamaCare. I guess if you can't beat Chief Justice John Roberts and Obama you might as well join them.

Scott's decision has to be passed by the state legislature. But what are the odds of them saying no to "free" federal money, especially when Medicaid helps pay for nursing home costs? There are a few old people in Florida you know.

Scott's one concession seems to be the Medicaid expansion will be administered through a system of private plans he's created. One problem, that plan has been a failure to date.

The privatization expands on a five-county pilot program that has been rife with problems. Critics worry for-profit providers are scrimping on patient care and denying medical services to increase profits. Some doctors have dropped out of the pilot program, complaining of red tape and that the insurers deny the tests and medicine they prescribe. Patients have complained they struggled to get doctor's appointments.

Several health plans also dropped out of the pilot program, saying they couldn't make enough money. Patients complained they were bounced from plan to plan with lapses in care. Nearly half of the 200,000 patients enrolled in the pilot have been dropped from at least one plan, federal health officials noted at one point during negotiations.

Lawmakers say they have fixed the pilot program's shortcomings, with provisions including increased oversight and more stringent penalties, including fining providers up to $500,000 if they drop out. The measures also increase doctors' reimbursement rates and limit malpractice lawsuits for Medicaid patients in hopes of increasing doctor participation in the program.

I'm sorry but a government program that fines people for leaving it because the program cost them money doesn't sound very conservative or free market to me.

Scott just agreed to kill the state of Florida.

Medicaid serves about 3.3 million people in Florida at the moment, so another million people will be roughly a 30 percent increase. 30 percent of current $21 billion annual cost that is “consuming Florida’s budget” is $6.3 billion. When the state ends up covering 10 percent of that, it’ll add up to a cool $630 million – probably more, since these figures are unlikely to hold steady through 2020.

So a system that is a failure in a few county pilot program is now going to expand exponentially and work just as forecast? Sure.

Oh and once we do amnesty and all those newly created legal residents are eligible for full medicaid benefits, what happens to the budget?

And this is from a "conservative" governor.

Posted by: DrewM. at 09:45 AM



Comments

1 Kasich too. Sux

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 21, 2013 09:46 AM (XvrTA)

2 There are no hookers with hearts of gold.

Posted by: garrett at February 21, 2013 09:47 AM (X49XP)

3 "Florida under Scott was among the first states to sue to overturn ObamaCare"

I thought it was his Republican opponent in the primaries, Bill McCullogh, the ex-Attorney General, that started Florida's lawsuit.

Posted by: Felt Wrapper at February 21, 2013 09:48 AM (ecmD4)

4
Burrrrn! Burn, baby burn!

I wish i could find a video of "Wild Bill" going ape-shit in his cell while the cajun was frying in 'old sparky', Green Mile. Seems apropos while the country burns to a crisp.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 21, 2013 09:50 AM (UrENZ)

5 Doom. The gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: rickl at February 21, 2013 09:50 AM (zoehZ)

6 Oh and once we do amnesty and all those newly created legal residents
are eligible for full medicaid benefits, what happens to the budget?


Obamastash!!

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 09:50 AM (/kI1Q)

7 There's an 'eventual left turn' joke to be had, here.

Posted by: garrett at February 21, 2013 09:51 AM (X49XP)

8 Men of political courage...we're fresh out.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 21, 2013 09:51 AM (uhftQ)

9

*squeek*

Posted by: A Rat Deserting a Sinking Ship

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 21, 2013 09:51 AM (kdS6q)

10 "So a system that is a failure in a few county pilot program is now going to expand exponentially and work just as forecast? Sure."

Ah, the old "We lose money on each customer, but we'll make it up in volume!" plan. A surefire winner every time.

Hey rube! Yes, Governor. I'm talking to you.

Posted by: GalosGann at February 21, 2013 09:51 AM (T3KlW)

11 Both Ohio and Florida voted for Obama. If you are in the LIB camp I would assume you would want these States to burn first. I know I do.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 09:51 AM (m2CN7)

12 Jeb Bush is our only hope.

Posted by: Karl Rove at February 21, 2013 09:53 AM (X49XP)

13 Damn it, man!

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at February 21, 2013 09:55 AM (qFpRI)

14 Ah, the old "We lose money on each customer, but we'll make it up in volume!" plan. A surefire winner every time.

Exactly!

Posted by: First Citiwide Change Bank at February 21, 2013 09:58 AM (BrQrN)

15 Each day, I stick my head up from the ground hoping for a glimmer of hope my country will start to turn away from this scourge of Socialism/Marxism/Communism. And each day, I see no such hope and climb back down into my hidey hole. Very disappointed in Scott. Very. How can he not see the fiscal calamity headed Florida's way? How can he, so easily, cave on his conservative principles?

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 21, 2013 09:58 AM (ATdet)

16 If amnesty happens, we will be Mexico North and there will be no "fixing it" after it burns.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 21, 2013 09:58 AM (uhftQ)

17 We're not going to give you 10,000 nickels.

Unless that meets your specific change requirements.

Posted by: First Citiwide Change Bank at February 21, 2013 09:58 AM (BrQrN)

18 Stockpile food & Advil ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at February 21, 2013 09:59 AM (TvO05)

19
This is called "Designed to Fail" in engineering circles.

The computer geek equivalent is GIGO.

And Scott's decision to cave is curious indeed, since he comes from a healthcare background. If anyone should understand the clusterfuckednessism of OCare, it should be him.

We are so screwed...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 09:59 AM (+z4pE)

20 Kasich and Scott are closet operatives of the "Let It Burn" movement; they're Cloward-Pivening the welfare state in order to bring about its collapse.

(Sigh) No, not really. They're just politicians spending other people's money to get-re-elected.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 21, 2013 10:00 AM (QXlbZ)

21
Leadership takes equal parts of common sense, resoluteness and
temerity. A person who cannot hold to principled, factually rooted
wisdom in the face of adversity is not a leader, they are more correctly
a poltroon.

This is me waiving goodbye to Rick Scott’s political career.

Posted by: Marcus at February 21, 2013 10:00 AM (GGCsk)

22 Embrace the suck. America has chosen to embrace the failed western democratic social democracy and failed welfare state.

Low birth rates, declining standards of living, high structural unemployment, and huge deficits for as long as idiots keep bankrolling our debt.

Just wait until the world switches off the dollar as their currency, that will be the moment we are all fucked.

Unlike some people here I do not think our citizenry will look at the damage and be able to come to the conclusion that the social democrats in America's policies have failed. No for me, let it burn is simply about revenge and being able to see the fucking dick licking asssholes that ruined this country get what they want good and hard.

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 21, 2013 10:00 AM (9pQPe)

23 Both Ohio and Florida voted for Obama...

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 09:51 AM (m2CN7)
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A fact of which I'm sure both their governors are keenly aware.

And nothing else.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 21, 2013 10:00 AM (RSqz2)

24 'If you want change for a Dollar, we're not going to give you just 4 quarters...unless that's what you want.'

Posted by: garrett at February 21, 2013 10:00 AM (X49XP)

25 OK. I read the post. And I read the links. I still don't get it. Can someone tell me his rationale for this? Even some tortured logic? He did not have to do this.

Posted by: Muad'dib - Bringer of Cookies at February 21, 2013 10:01 AM (KjlbF)

26

And, the news keeps trickling out on pOsCare.

The taxes on the health insurance is actually greater than the penalty, etc.

more here at Forbes:

http://tinyurl.com/awyt5mo

excerpt:

“The health insurance tax will add a financial burden on families and small businesses at a time when they can least afford it, and it should be repealed, ” says AHIP, a trade association representing health insurance industry providers, in today’s call for the repeal of the health insurance tax before it can take affect. As they report,

· Starting next year the ACA imposes a new $100 billion tax on health insurance. The tax will start at $8 billion in 2014, increasing to $14.3 billion in 2018, and will continue to increase each year.

· The health insurance tax is larger than the device tax and the prescription drug tax combined.

· The health insurance tax will increase costs for individuals and families purchasing coverage on their own, small businesses, seniors and people with disabilities enrolled in a Medicare Advantage plan, and state Medicaid managed care plans.

· The health insurance tax is far greater than the minimum penalty for those who choose not to buy health insurance – further incentivizing young, healthy people to forgo purchasing insurance until they need medical care.



sick
sick
sick

they should be fighting this shit tooth and nail, not giving in

sellouts

Posted by: sickly beach at February 21, 2013 10:01 AM (LpQbZ)

27 The GOP establishment wants to be a kept opposition.

That's why they don't care if they betray their base and even if their base is destroyed.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at February 21, 2013 10:02 AM (dZS5E)

28 *looks down at nic*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 10:03 AM (+z4pE)

29 But, but- he was the "Tea Party" choice.

This must be a manufactured lie from the Establishment Illuminati!

Does someone have Karl Rove on speed-dial? He must stop this propaganda!

Posted by: Marcus at February 21, 2013 10:03 AM (GGCsk)

30
Scott is now the seventh Republican governor to accept Medicaid expansion




And if you go by population, that's might be a majority of people with Republican governors -- Texas aside.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 21, 2013 10:04 AM (kdS6q)

31 Ugh. I can't even deal with this today. And folks wonder why I've given up on the Repubes (sic).


Run me a candidate I can trust to stick by his guns and I'll vote for y'all, DOPE. Otherwise, adios.


I'm going to go back and hang out on the News Dump thread, before I beat my forehead to a bloody pulp on my desk.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 21, 2013 10:04 AM (4df7R)

32 If the election revealed anything, its that we've already crossed the line where Teh Stoopit has overtaken the herd. Really don't think we're able to stop it, sorry.

Killing the State of Florida? Just first in a long line.

Posted by: Bigby's Poke in the Eye at February 21, 2013 10:04 AM (3ZtZW)

33 Felt is right on the money. McCullogh was the republican AG and started the law suit before the he ran in the Rep primaries, which Scott won.
To Scott's credit, (and I cant remember the name of his organization for the life of me) he set up a "non profit" that ran huge national ads against Obama care when it was first being purposed. Chances are, you saw one (or several) of these.
And what do you expect him to do? According to the article, his private system failed. I don't see that he had much of a choice.... like it or not (and I know we all hate it) Congress passed the law in b.s. reconciliation mode, the SC failed to declare it unconstitutional, and the American public refused to remove Obama in order to take out the ACA.
I just hope when they decide I'm too old to fix and a drain on society that I can spend my last days on the beach getting delicious skin cancer.

Posted by: Florida guy at February 21, 2013 10:05 AM (4sMhD)

34 Hmmm....maybe all the Wisconsin retirees will now revert back to resident status here to avoid the taxes that will crop up there.


Posted by: H Badger at February 21, 2013 10:05 AM (n/0Nw)

35
Can someone tell me his rationale for this?
Posted by: Muad'dib




He's up for re-election in 2014 a state that went for Obama.

There's more, but that's the driver.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 21, 2013 10:05 AM (kdS6q)

36 Governors are politicians. The average voter doesn't know about the downsides of Obamacare, for them or for states. They just see the federal government promising to provide health care to more people.

That's the equation, and four years after the birth of Obamacare, we haven't been able to change it one bit.

Posted by: CJ at February 21, 2013 10:06 AM (9KqcB)

37 25 OK. I read the post. And I read the links. I still don't get it. Can someone tell me his rationale for this? Even some tortured logic? He did not have to do this.

Posted by: Muad'dib - Bringer of Cookies at February 21, 2013 10:01 AM (KjlbF)

As Drew posted - "free" federal money.

Posted by: RWC at February 21, 2013 10:06 AM (fWAjv)

38 I went in to my local Obamawide hospitalfor a tonsillectomy, and I guess I was in a hurry, and received an appendectomy.

Luckily, their computers caught the error, and I had the correct surgery done the next day!

Posted by: First Obamawide Change Hospital Commercial at February 21, 2013 10:07 AM (BrQrN)

39 It's all for show
Dontcha know
This is how
It's supposed to go
It's the GOP shuffle
Make some noise
Create a kerfuffle
Then completely cave
It's the GOP shuffle

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 21, 2013 10:07 AM (uhftQ)

40 Scott is now the seventh Republican governor to accept Medicaid expansionAnd if you go by population, that's might be a majority of people with Republican governors -- Texas aside.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 21, 2013 10:04 AM (kdS6q)

Since we have 30 Republican Governors and we won 25 states in the last election, Ican make a shaky assumptionthat two of the red states with Republican governors caved to the expansion. That's really bad if accurate.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 10:08 AM (m2CN7)

41 OK. I read the post. And I read the links. I still don't get it. Can someone tell me his rationale for this? Even some tortured logic? He did not have to do this.

Posted by: Muad'dib - Bringer of Cookies at February 21, 2013 10:01 AM (KjlbF)
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Polynikes alluded to it above- Florida went for Obama in November and the governor, having come to the conclusion that the lunatics are now running the asylum, is pandering to save his political skin.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 21, 2013 10:08 AM (RSqz2)

42 And I partially listened to Slo Joes advice.

Mossberg 500 has a new home.


Thanks for the advice Joey Choo Choo!

Posted by: RWC at February 21, 2013 10:08 AM (fWAjv)

43 He's up for re-election in 2014 a state that went for Obama.

There's more, but that's the driver.




Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 21, 2013 10:05 AM (kdS6q)

Thanks Cervaix. This I can understand. And loathe.

Posted by: Muad'dib - Bringer of Cookies at February 21, 2013 10:08 AM (KjlbF)

44
I guess I should be far more pissed off than I am with Scott's cave-in to TFG. I'm all out of rage anymore. I vote for people who are marketed as one thing and turn out to be something else intirely once they get into office.

Our country cannot survive if we can't trust those we elect. It's very clear that we've lost control of our government and I don't know what we can do to get it back.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 10:09 AM (+z4pE)

45 another self funding CEO "conservative" abandons conservative principles and follows the path of least resistance.

And now since he's going to abandon his base we get to see this clown go up against florida's newest orange democrat charlie crist. this election could suck.

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at February 21, 2013 10:09 AM (HEa5q)

46 Wait until people realize the cost of living increase this will provoke.

So much for all those Hedge Funds moving to Florida and the state's pitch on no personal income tax. They've just rendered those issues moot.

If you now look at Florida compared to several other states. especially those not adopting this proposal, they become much less financially competitive.

I suppose next, Scott will adopt an AWB, you know, for the children.

Posted by: Marcus at February 21, 2013 10:09 AM (GGCsk)

47 Sidebar...Pope Madness...Iowa's got as many entries as Italy. WTF.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 10:10 AM (/kI1Q)

48 If Scott really wants to make them happy. He can start a state income tax to help pay for it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 10:10 AM (l86i3)

49 As Drew posted - "free" federal money.

Posted by: RWC at February 21, 2013 10:06 AM (fWAjv)

Yes - but not even a politician can make the long term $$ balance out. Especially not with amnesty on the horizon. I can at least get my head around LDC's explanation.

Posted by: Muad'dib - Bringer of Cookies at February 21, 2013 10:10 AM (KjlbF)

50 An important part of WiB is having front row seats.

I recently moved to FL and took a job with a payor that services Florida's Medicaid population (and administers Medicare Advantage programs as well)...

At least we will be able to get the horde some hard data from deep within the bowels of the program...lol.

Lawmakers say they have fixed the pilot program's shortcomings, with provisions including increased oversight and more stringent penalties, including fining providers up to $500,000 if they drop out.

I wonder how well that $500k fine will work out when they try to impose it on companies and providers who have gone out of business. Duh.

This will be a very slow motion trainwreck, but it will merely mimic the implementation of PP/ACA as a whole.

Posted by: akula51 at February 21, 2013 10:10 AM (EzOzr)

51 Does this rank up there with "I won't nu! in your mouth, I promise"?


This reminds me of a local newscaster talking about some project in town being built with a Federal grant. But he said not to worry since it wasn't built with taxpayer money. This is the same thought process.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 21, 2013 10:11 AM (Zd/NW)

52 I admit some ignorance here. How does the Medicaid expansion square with the 7-2 vote that was part of the Obamacare vote that suppossedly limited the federal government from conditioning money. I know it didn't completely undo the conditioning, but I don't recall exactly what it said.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 10:11 AM (gmeXX)

53 Wait until people realize the cost of living increase this will provoke.

They don't notice the increases from ethanol or minimum wage hikes. What's going to be different going forward?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 10:12 AM (/kI1Q)

54 So all these Gov's are gonna except Fed Money? What are we just gonna print more money? Oh yeah I guess so... Fucked are we

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 10:12 AM (9Bj8R)

55 Well you do remember that Rick Scott's previous career was as a health care exec.

But wow, who saw this coming?

I am actually amazed it took so long.

Posted by: Marcus at February 21, 2013 10:12 AM (GGCsk)

56 Yes - but not even a politician can make the long term $$ balance out. Especially not with amnesty on the horizon. I can at least get my head around LDC's explanation.

Posted by: Muad'dib - Bringer of Cookies at February 21, 2013 10:10 AM (KjlbF)

'Long term?' I don't think they think that way. It's what they can get here and now that drives them.

Posted by: RWC at February 21, 2013 10:12 AM (fWAjv)

57 Yeah, Obama won Florida, but I'm continually told that Obamacare is an unpopular POS. So, which is it? Scott could have taken the dialogue to the people, who already dislike it, and explained ad naseaum how it will affect Florida fiscally. I guess that's too hard...for a Republican, anyway.

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 21, 2013 10:12 AM (ATdet)

58 There's no hope, is there.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 21, 2013 10:13 AM (xjpRj)

59 A "conservative governor..." whom I might add was hailed as a damned hero by the same people now trying to slit Karl Rove's throat, because he ran against a more-established AG who was not only the architect of the anti-Obamacare lawsuit in Florida (Bondi merely executed the plan he'd already laid out) but also would have won handily in 2010 instead of barely squeaking by as Scott did.

Let this be an object lesson to all of those people. "Anti-establishment" does not equal "conservative." And you should never expect a beneficiary of corporate welfare to turn down "free" money forever.

Posted by: Lou at February 21, 2013 10:13 AM (xp1pq)

60 Does Medicaid pay for nursing homes? I thought that was medicare.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 10:14 AM (gmeXX)

61 I guess Scott's "Conservatives for Patients' Rights" was a total scam.

Posted by: Marcus at February 21, 2013 10:14 AM (GGCsk)

62 I guess Scott's "Conservatives for Patients' Rights" was a total scam.
Posted by: Marcus at February 21, 2013 10:14 AM (GGCsk)


Business folk call that Marketing.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 10:15 AM (l86i3)

63 So how do I get a part-time job on a death panel and do they get insurance?

Posted by: Dang at February 21, 2013 10:15 AM (R18D0)

64
There's no hope, is there.

Sadly, no, not anymore.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 10:15 AM (+z4pE)

65 60
Does Medicaid pay for nursing homes? I thought that was medicare.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 10:14 AM (gmeXX)

Medicare definitely does pay for nursing home expenses. Limited $$ and limited days though.

Posted by: Muad'dib - Bringer of Cookies at February 21, 2013 10:15 AM (KjlbF)

66 "To be sure, Scott argues that his decision is only temporary and
contingent on federal taxpayers picking up the entire cost of the
expansion."

Good grief, how many things are wrong with that statement? Take away the fact the fed has no money and the taxpayers are only paying for it by adding debt and through a devalued dollar, is he saying Floridians aren't federal taxpayers? The stupid in the statement is mindboggling.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 21, 2013 10:16 AM (7Nq2G)

67 ....And Medicaid is how many orders of magnitude over what it was originally forecast to be?

Posted by: zsasz at February 21, 2013 10:16 AM (MMC8r)

68 Does Medicaid pay for nursing homes? I thought that was medicare.

Posted by: SH

Both do. The in-laws experience with medicaid? Took one year to get approved.

Posted by: Dang at February 21, 2013 10:16 AM (R18D0)

69 Yea, he's running for reelection and trying to temper the Darth Scott image he's been painted with.

He eats babies you know, and uses fluffy bunnies for target practice, or so I'm told...

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 21, 2013 10:17 AM (/gHaE)

70 Allen West for Governor of FL

Posted by: perdogg at February 21, 2013 10:18 AM (oSdsj)

71 Yeah, Obama won Florida, but I'm continually told that Obamacare is an unpopular POS

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Here is what I think: Government control polls poorly, people want to think they are in control of their lives free from government interference. Free money polls very well - who doesn't want free money. The masses ignore the fact that the money is not free - one flows from the other. Its true whether it is your parents giving you money, your employer, thebank, or the government. When the American people square the two, we may get somewhere. As of now, they don't care.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 10:18 AM (gmeXX)

72 Scott decided to treat everybody in the state the way he did George Zimmerman.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 10:18 AM (FDYeH)

73 For some reason, as each day passes, the word "purge" seems less and less onerous. I understand Stalin on a deeper level.
The depressing reality is the RINO party isn't worth the time, talent or treasure it would take to fix.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 21, 2013 10:19 AM (M0O7A)

74 Mossberg 500 has a new home.


Thanks for the advice Joey Choo Choo!

Posted by: RWC at February 21, 2013 10:08 AM (fWAjv)
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Just don't take the rest of his advice about firing it randomly off the porch every so often to scare away the bad guys.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 21, 2013 10:19 AM (RSqz2)

75 Does Medicaid pay for nursing homes? I thought that was medicare.
Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 10:14 AM (gmeXX)

Medicaid pays for most. To qualify though you have to have limited assests. That is why there is a lot of transfer of wealth to children in your middle class families before a nursing home is needed. Remember though that they go back five years to determine what your assests were.

Transfer Early!!!!!

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 10:20 AM (m2CN7)

76 Rick Scott made his living in Health care. He owned a major health care provider system in FL. Maybe he knows what he is doing .... or he couldn't say no to his long term buddies.

Posted by: carolina at February 21, 2013 10:20 AM (wI9Ya)

77 " including fining providers up to $500,000 if they drop out."
Sound's like the 13th Amendment is going to get a bit of a workout.

Posted by: News From 1865 at February 21, 2013 10:20 AM (ze9yk)

78
48
If Scott really wants to make them happy. He can start a state income tax to help pay for it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy
Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 10:10 AM (l86i3)


I will set you a-fucking-blaze....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 21, 2013 10:20 AM (da5Wo)

79 The depressing reality is the RINO party isn't worth the time, talent or treasure it would take to fix.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 21, 2013 10:19 AM (M0O7A)

So Scott is a RINO only now?

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 10:21 AM (m2CN7)

80 "To be sure, Scott argues that his decision is only temporary and

contingent on federal taxpayers picking up the entire cost of the

expansion."

Good grief, how many things are wrong with that
statement? Take away the fact the fed has no money and the taxpayers are
only paying for it by adding debt and through a devalued dollar, is he
saying Floridians aren't federal taxpayers? The stupid in the statement
is mindboggling.


Posted by: lowandslow at February 21, 2013 10:16 AM (7Nq2G)


Plus, as the WSJ said, there's no "temporary" about it because HHS will insure that it's locked in forever.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 10:22 AM (FDYeH)

81 I did this purely for selfish political reasons. I want to run for another term and now have the backing of the blue hairs and the unemployed. See how that works?
Hell it works for Obama. I could care less about what happens to Florida when the Obamacare/MediCare experiment has exploded. I will long gone and on my way to Costa Rica by then suckers…...

Posted by: Gov. Rick Scott at February 21, 2013 10:22 AM (oKH8p)

82 "I'm sorry but a government program that fines people for leaving it because the program cost them money doesn't sound very conservative or free market to me."

Liberal apostasy.

Posted by: Socratease at February 21, 2013 10:22 AM (AEwT6)

83 Let this be an object lesson to all of those people. "Anti-establishment" does not equal "conservative." And you should never expect a beneficiary of corporate welfare to turn down "free" money forever.

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Here is the lesson for all politicians. You must always be vigilant. Even with someone like Ted Cruz. The best way to do that is by voting and not just the vote for that particular politician. Other votes in the states. Cornyn saw the Ted Cruz vote and it has affected him in turn. We must always be watchful, the urge to abandon conservatism is strong- basically because the majority of Americans oppose it.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 10:22 AM (gmeXX)

84 Dear Floridians: STFO of Texas.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 21, 2013 10:22 AM (qvify)

85 Gotta agree with Lou at comment 59.
And I say this as a person who's been to tea party rallies and loves them:
The majority of tea partiers would blacklist Bill Buckley because he is part of the "establishment". (That guy didnt even support Iraq!)
Anti estab does not mean conservativeand vice/veras.
Remember, Ronald use to be a dem and then whenfinally won the nomination he became the establishment. We need to stop treating every anti estb asif they are all RRseeking the nomination against aNixon and Ford type party.
And remember "I'd rather get 80% of what I want then go off the cliff with my flag flying".

Posted by: Florida guy at February 21, 2013 10:23 AM (4sMhD)

86 So Scott is a RINO only now?

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 10:21 AM (m2CN7)


Scott ran as a Tea Party candidate, no?

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 10:23 AM (FDYeH)

87 73 For some reason, as each day passes, the word "purge" seems less and less onerous. I understand Stalin on a deeper level.
The depressing reality is the RINO party isn't worth the time, talent or treasure it would take to fix.

That's what I am saying!!!
Screw the RINO'S let's go on a big game hunt and get rid of them!!!!

Posted by: Senator Ted Cruz at February 21, 2013 10:24 AM (oKH8p)

88 I will set you a-fucking-blaze....
Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 21, 2013 10:20 AM (da5Wo)

Hey, just tryin to help, :-)

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 10:25 AM (l86i3)

89 Just don't take the rest of his advice about firing it randomly off the porch every so often to scare away the bad guys.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 21, 2013 10:19 AM (RSqz2)

Definitely won't. Shooting randomly in the air is reserved for celebrations.

Posted by: RWC at February 21, 2013 10:26 AM (fWAjv)

90 This has to pass the Florida Legislature.

Can someone if Florida give us an analysis of it's chances?

Posted by: Marcus at February 21, 2013 10:26 AM (GGCsk)

91
And Scott's decision to cave is curious indeed,
since he comes from a healthcare background. If anyone should understand
the clusterfuckednessism of OCare, it should be him.

We are so screwed...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 09:59 AM (+z4pE)

Perhaps he is trying to be crazy like a fox. One of the fastest ways to stomp down a bad law is to make sure everyone gets a real good dose of it. At this point I think we need to bring as much pain to the stupid voters as it is possible to bring.

Yeah, we might get hurt a bit too, but they NEED the pain.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 10:28 AM (bb5+k)

92 Let the Constitutional challenges begin.Didn'tRoberts alreadyvote on this? I admit some confusion here and hope somone can explain it to me. What was the 7-2 vote in Obamacare?

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 10:28 AM (gmeXX)

93
Can someone if Florida give us an analysis of it's chances?

Check out the Shark Tank blog.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 10:29 AM (+z4pE)

94
in 2011, Scott proposed a state budget of $65.8 billion. Now, less than two years later, he is calling for a budget of $74.2 billion, an increase of almost 6 percent over last year’s budget. After the legislative waltz ends in May, the final budget will almost certainly be higher than the governor’s proposal.

In his proposed budget, Scott is throwing money at groups that traditionally do not support Republicans. In his proposed budget, Scott looks to offer bonuses to government workers and across-the-board pay raises for teachers, regardless of their effectiveness in the classroom.




Fiscally conservative....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 21, 2013 10:29 AM (kdS6q)

95 This Scott guy is my kind of Republican! I like this guy. Reasonable, unlike those motherfucking, goddam, sonofabitch Teaparty rubes. I would slobber his knob. I'll bet he tastes like Hairy Reed!

Posted by: Karl Kockbite Rove at February 21, 2013 10:29 AM (OlN4e)

96 I thought Florida got an exemption/concession, which is why Governer Scott agreed to it. Of course the downside would still be that he's made a deal with a snake oil salesman.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 21, 2013 10:30 AM (z8kfX)

97 How long will Republicans continue to "play by the rules" against serial cheaters? How many times will they try to kick the football that Lucy promises to hold still "this time"?

Has the sequester bait-and-switch already faded from their memories?

STOP!

The promised compromise never comes. They get what they want and screw us EVERY TIME. Get it??

Good lord.

Posted by: red speck at February 21, 2013 10:30 AM (9/Ug/)

98 I read his announcement as I have chosen to retire from politics at the end of my current term.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 21, 2013 10:31 AM (QupBk)

99 From a article: "In a surprising move, the Court ruled 7-2 against Obamacare’s expansion of Medicaid to 133% of the Federal poverty line. The court took issue with the way Obamacare coerces states to accept the new funding levels by threatening to cut all current Medicaid funding for states that do not comply"

Can someone explain to me the difference between what is going on with Florida and this ruling? I'm assuming they are somewhat related, but this ruling is not completely on point, otherwise this wouldn't be an issue. But shouldn't this ruling give us some hope that a Texas/LA may be able to win some sort of challenge?

Honestly curious - I know few people have any faith in Roberts.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 10:31 AM (gmeXX)

100
90
This has to pass the Florida Legislature.

Can someone if Florida give us an analysis of it's chances?


Posted by: Marcus at February 21, 2013 10:26 AM (GGCsk)


FL Senate has 28 R's and 12 D's

FL House has 74 R's and 46 D's


But that doesn't seem to mean anything anymore. The Speaker of the House seems less than thrilled.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 21, 2013 10:32 AM (da5Wo)

101
That's the equation, and four years after the birth of Obamacare, we haven't been able to change it one bit.

Posted by: CJ at February 21, 2013 10:06 AM (9KqcB)


The only possible way to change public perception is through dominant media... and we don't have any.
Seems to me that acquiring some ought to be job number 1.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 10:32 AM (bb5+k)

102 66
"To be sure, Scott argues that his decision is only temporary and

contingent on federal taxpayers picking up the entire cost of the

expansion."

Good grief, how many things are wrong with that
statement? Take away the fact the fed has no money and the taxpayers are
only paying for it by adding debt and through a devalued dollar, is he
saying Floridians aren't federal taxpayers? The stupid in the statement
is mindboggling.


Posted by: lowandslow at February 21, 2013 10:16 AM (7Nq2G)

And the second that the Feds cut the funding and tell the states to pick up the slack, the Governor that says "fuck no" gets AARP running ads to frighten granny and gramps about the "mean old GOP©" wanting to throw them off a cliff.
Once the program is in place, it's forever. It's why we need zero based budgeting in our government. That or we have "Thunderdome budgeting".

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 21, 2013 10:32 AM (Zd/NW)

103 70 Allen West for Governor of FL

This is my general plan, absolutely.

90 This has to pass the Florida Legislature.

Can someone if Florida give us an analysis of it's chances?


Hold on, let me check ORCA. I think a lot of us down here are going to need to contact our state reps here in the next few days to assist in it's failure in the Legislature.

Posted by: akula51 at February 21, 2013 10:33 AM (EzOzr)

104
Yeah, we might get hurt a bit too, but they NEED the pain.

I hope you're right. But I can't take much more. I'm already a virtual prisoner, since I've been funemployed for five years now. We can't afford to do anything anymore except watch TV and eat, and that last one's getting more iffy by the day.

This shit's getting kinda old.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 10:33 AM (+z4pE)

105 Well this settles it. I'll never vote for Rick Scott. Then again I don't live even within 3000 miles of Florida, so why do I care about what Rick Scott does? Hmm.

In any case, since I'm not all that bright and have difficulty connecting even the most obvious dots, to satiate by bloodlust for having Scott's political head on the proverbial pike what I'm going to do is spend my days ranting and raving about Republicans, in general, mindlessly and nearly indiscriminately, and then when it comes time to vote in my own state's partisan elections I'm going to stay home and not vote, to "send my messages" and to "prove my points." That'll show 'em.

Posted by: I lack perspective and I'm irrational too at February 21, 2013 10:33 AM (r2PLg)

106 In his proposed budget, Scott looks to offer bonuses to government workers and across-the-board pay raises for teachers, regardless of their effectiveness in the classroom. ***

He's trying to pander to obama voters. Conservative beliefs? Nope. Just another political parasite.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 21, 2013 10:35 AM (uhftQ)

107 He's up for re-election in 2014 a state that went for Obama.

So, either the FL GOP is as worthless as the national organization, or he's running as an independent Crist Democrat.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 21, 2013 10:35 AM (GBXon)

108 Can someone if Florida give us an analysis of it's chances?

The Florida GOP controls both houses by pretty good margins. they got shellacked in the election but they had veto proof in the previous session. The Dem party in Florida has been on the ropes for a long time even with our schizophrenic voters. Of course like every where else the GOP is generally poorly run, and full of infighting and more than a few rinos. people will have to hold the legislatures feet to the fire if they are going to stop this but getting elected politicians to say no to free federal money (even when the long term will doom the state) is a very hard thing.

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at February 21, 2013 10:35 AM (HEa5q)

109
Fuckin' a...
the Redwing Blackbirds moved in last night. Looks like spring is here.

Posted by: garrett at February 21, 2013 10:36 AM (qjIc8)

110 This action is so disappointing. Mark Levin was listing Govs (R) who've caved to Obama, and there are now several, IIRC.

Posted by: Baldy at February 21, 2013 10:36 AM (opS9C)

111 105 why do I care about what Rick Scott does?

The same bizarre reason we care about what California and Texas put in their textbooks. Their purchases literally move the market.

As with Florida and healthcare, specifically Medicare and Medicaid. The volumes of healthcare services performed down here are mindboggling.

Posted by: akula51 at February 21, 2013 10:37 AM (EzOzr)

112 why do I care about what Rick Scott does?

Do you pay federal taxes? Then you'll be paying for this.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 10:37 AM (/kI1Q)

113 Can we just cut the bullshit and get to the "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us phase"?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 21, 2013 10:38 AM (yCvxi)

114 Allen West for Governor of FL This is my general plan, absolutely.
Until he supports something like Pigford again.(yes he admited itwas a mistake). This is the problem with our side. We do not only express our disagreement with actions taken by some of our GOP that we supported. We want them to burn in a fire while taking the barbed cock of satan in the hoo ha.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 10:38 AM (m2CN7)

115
Perhaps he is trying to be crazy like a fox. One
of the fastest ways to stomp down a bad law is to make sure everyone
gets a real good dose of it. At this point I think we need to bring as
much pain to the stupid voters as it is possible to bring.

Yeah, we might get hurt a bit too, but they NEED the pain.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 10:28 AM (bb5+k)

Cut. Jib. Newsletter.
Same way I had to "teach" Annie Mae how to sing my songs right.

Posted by: Ike Turner at February 21, 2013 10:38 AM (Zd/NW)

116 That "free" federal money for the expansion starts dropping every year, so while the first year is covered at 90%, the subsequent years see a 10% drop every year or every two years. If the state can't cover 10% now, how can they cover an increasing share in the future years?

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 10:38 AM (GQ8sn)

117
Watch it burn.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 21, 2013 10:38 AM (p/cQy)

118 As with Florida and healthcare, specifically Medicare and Medicaid. The volumes of healthcare services performed down here are mindboggling.
Posted by: akula51 at February 21, 2013 10:37 AM (EzOzr)

The Vill-i-ges, Floridas friendliest hometown.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 10:38 AM (l86i3)

119 I don't know a lot about Scott. Can people in Florida let me know. Where does he stand on social issues? Did he make them a big part of his campaign? Or was he primarily touting himself as a fiscal conservative? In my experience, those who claim only to be fiscal conservatives usually aren't. Depending on Scott, this could furhter my thought, or make me think it is just a biased observation on my part.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 10:38 AM (gmeXX)

120
During his announcement on Wednesday, Mr. Scott said his mother’s recent death and her lifetime struggle to raise five children “with very little money” played a role in his decision. “Losing someone so close to you puts everything in a new perspective, especially the big decisions,” he said.



Turns aside. Sheds a manly tear.......

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 21, 2013 10:39 AM (kdS6q)

121 118 The Vill-i-ges, Floridas friendliest hometown.

Ahh yes, that's even endorsed by Paul Ryan's mom!

Posted by: akula51 at February 21, 2013 10:40 AM (EzOzr)

122 I am so much more depressed now I am actually hoping the DOOM guy will post something to give me at least some hope and cheer me up

Posted by: Mac Gootbone at February 21, 2013 10:40 AM (wA0Xb)

123 I guess if you can't beat Chief Justice John Roberts and Obama you might as well join them.


Well there is one other alternative. Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 21, 2013 10:40 AM (7ObY1)

124 Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 10:38 AM (gmeXX)

Scott is a servant of many masters. Who knows what the hell he's thinkin.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 10:40 AM (l86i3)

125 Hope Gov Pence stays strong.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at February 21, 2013 10:40 AM (DGIjM)

126 I have now officially moved on from 'Let It Burn'.

My new philosophy: 'Point And Laugh'.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 21, 2013 10:40 AM (GBXon)

127 Florida is dead Jim....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 21, 2013 10:41 AM (9+ccr)

128 Is it too early to drink?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 10:42 AM (l86i3)

129 How appropriate that "Leaving Hope" by Nine Inch Nails just came up in the Itunes shuffle. grumble grumble

Posted by: Codec717 at February 21, 2013 10:42 AM (5i/58)

130 Here is what I think: Government control polls poorly, people want to think they are in control of their lives free from government interference. Free money polls very well - who doesn't want free money. The masses ignore the fact that the money is not free - one flows from the other.

This. (Although most of those people, at the least the ones who might vote GOP, don't want the free money, they think that others need the health care.)

We can demand that these GOP governors show some guts, but we don't have the juice to get them re-elected. Not yet. And that's what matters. Obamacare might not be popular in the abstact - "We don't want Big Government" - but the Right hasn't yet come up with a good argument against "providing health care to those who need it," which, as simplistic as it sounds, is what we've allowed this debate tobecome. Suburban would-be GOP voterswill not support "denying health care to working families." Until we reframe the debate, no politician is going to risk election over it.

Posted by: CJ at February 21, 2013 10:43 AM (9KqcB)

131
That "free" federal money for the expansion starts dropping every year, so while the first year is covered at 90%, the subsequent years see a 10% drop every year or every two years. If the state can't cover 10% now, how can they cover an increasing share in the future years?

You see it. I see it. The Horde sees it.

Why don't the pols we vote for see it? Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand it at all. They say one thing to get elected, and then proceed to thwart the will of the people.

WTF is going on?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 10:43 AM (+z4pE)

132 OT; Bomb blasts in India Syria

Posted by: Baldy at February 21, 2013 10:43 AM (opS9C)

133 OT; Bomb blasts in India Syria
Posted by: Baldy at February 21, 2013 10:43 AM (opS9C)


Yep, the one in Syria is bad, I heard 52 dead, mostly Children, it blew up by a school.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 10:44 AM (l86i3)

134 Posted by: Karl Kockbite Rove at February 21, 2013 10:29 AM (OlN4e)

This.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at February 21, 2013 10:45 AM (Qxdfp)

135 # 12 No-it's Tagg Romney

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 21, 2013 10:45 AM (wbmaj)

136 Integrity is for chumps.

Posted by: Gov. Rick Scott at February 21, 2013 10:45 AM (QJurF)

137 OT:

The number of Americans filing new claims for unemployment benefits rose more than expected last week

Unexpectedly!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 21, 2013 10:45 AM (p/cQy)

138 I left MO for FL during the Romney Victory Tour last year, so I am still coming up to speed on Mr. Scott.

We wound up in a brand spanking new census-driven House District that incredibly went blue (thanks, New York. Dicks.). In a state with a GOP-dominated legislature. In a town that once was the reddest part of the deep red South Florida. That's the level of fail I wound up dropping myself into...sigh.

The 26th district is located in South Florida, and contains all of Monroe County as well as a portion of Miami-Dade County. David Rivera, the incumbent Congressman from the 25th district faced Democrat Joe Garcia in a re-match of the 2010 election. Garcia won the election and assumed office in January 2013.

Yeah, (D) pwned (R) in a 2010 election rematch in 2012. The fix...well, yeah. The fix, we think, was in.

Posted by: akula51 at February 21, 2013 10:45 AM (EzOzr)

139 I'm confident Texas will hold firm.And I'm confident Texas will continue to lead this country in economic activity and job creation. I wonder if the two are related.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 10:46 AM (gmeXX)

140
Is it too early to drink?

Never. I wish I could afford a good cold Guinness right about now.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 10:46 AM (+z4pE)

141
I have now officially moved on from 'Let It Burn'.



My new philosophy: 'Point And Laugh'.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 21, 2013 10:40 AM (GBXon)

My current feeling is summed up in this poem by Billy Collins.

Flames












Smokey the Bear heads
into the autumn woods
with a red can of gasoline
and a box of wooden matches.






His ranger's hat is cocked
at a disturbing angle.






His brown fur gleams
under the high sun
as his paws, the size
of catcher's mitts,
crackle into the distance.






He is sick of dispensing
warnings to the careless,
the half-wit camper,
the dumbbell hiker.






He is going to show them
how a professional does it.









Billy Collins

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 10:46 AM (bb5+k)

142 "
Y'know, I've noticed an infestation here. Everywhere I look, in fact.
Nothing but undeveloped, unevolved, barely conscious pond scum, totally
convinced of their own superiority as they scurry about their short,
pointless lives."

"Well, don't you want to get rid of them?"

"Heh, oh, in the worst way".

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 21, 2013 10:46 AM (IUmhT)

143 My new philosophy: 'Point And Laugh'.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 21, 2013 10:40 AM (GBXon)

Is it too early to drink?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 10:42 AM (l86i3)
================

WHich gives me the idea for my new philosophy:

Drink, Point, and Laugh.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 21, 2013 10:47 AM (RSqz2)

144 Don't forget that Florida's seniors need healthcare more than ever - retirement communities down there have the highest STD rates in the nation.

So first, we subsidize these former hippies and flower children for their boner pills, and then subsidize them again when they catch the clap and need a pipe cleaner shoved down their pee hole.

Awesome.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 21, 2013 10:48 AM (CJjw5)

145 137 OT:

The number of Americans filing new claims for unemployment benefits rose more than expected last week

Unexpectedly!
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 21, 2013 10:45 AM (p/cQy)

I, for one, never expected that!!

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at February 21, 2013 10:48 AM (DGIjM)

146 This surprises people?

It's freaking Florida. Half the Republicans in the state are on the dole, in the form of Medicare and Social Security. You think they're going to be in favor of real reform? Every single old Republican who talks about socialism while cashing "their" check is not going to be in favor of opting out of Obamacare.

Look, once you concede that massive redistribution is ok, then you're just arguing about who gets what from who. The GOP accepted SS, Medicare, and Medicaid. Well, now the other party has decided that they're going to rob Paul to pay Peter.

You can't have it both ways. Either you disavow wealth redistribution, or you get knee deep in the pigpen and wrestle for scraps with the rest of them. But I'm getting sick and tired of people who suck off the federal teat talking about "socialism". What the fuck do you think Scott is going to do? His state voted for Obama, because Obama promised bread and circuses. Freedom is hard and scary. Being taken care of is much better, to the sheep.

Posted by: Virginian at February 21, 2013 10:49 AM (Gvo5x)

147 Florida's primary industry is now Medicare fraud.

This also ties into immigration. The wonderful "Diversity" we celebrate means that more and more people have no problem defrauding their fellow Americans. After all, it's just old white people they are screwing over. Who cares about them?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 21, 2013 10:49 AM (ZPrif)

148 Scott also recently said he wants Florida's gun laws to undergo a "broad review." Nothing to worry about though, cause he be a conservative. Right?

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 21, 2013 10:50 AM (PBm/l)

149 Teh Krugman admits, to laughter, that death panels and VAT are coming with our current healthcare system.

Story in nic

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 21, 2013 10:50 AM (xAtAj)

150 Hey look at this. I'm growing in office!

Posted by: Gov. Rick Scott at February 21, 2013 10:50 AM (QJurF)

151 Well ten minutes, interview via phone. Panic!!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 21, 2013 10:50 AM (7hK27)

152 Well ten minutes, interview via phone. Panic!!

Make sure you have a bottle of water with you.


Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 10:51 AM (GQ8sn)

153 OT My wife has a new F.B. Friend.
The guy posted up last night the following:
"We went to see a Muslim cover-band last night. They are called Bomb-Jovi. Their last nmber was called 'Living on a Prayer Matt.' It brought down the house. A Muslim friend of mine was there, he was bragging he had the entire Koran saved to a thumb-drive. I asked him to burn me a copy. That's when the shit started..."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 21, 2013 10:51 AM (M0O7A)

154 Well ten minutes, interview via phone. Panic!!
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 21, 2013 10:50 AM (7hK27)


Re;ax kid, you are all that and three bags of chips, the name brand chips, not the generics.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 10:51 AM (l86i3)

155 151
Well ten minutes, interview via phone. Panic!!


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 21, 2013 10:50 AM (7hK27)

Breathe!

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 21, 2013 10:51 AM (FIDMq)

156 Posted by: DiogenesLamp

Your post's formatting
It makes all the babies cry
The Barrel, now.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 21, 2013 10:52 AM (GBXon)

157 Posted by: Virginian at February 21, 2013 10:49 AM (Gvo5x)


Well said.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 21, 2013 10:52 AM (QJurF)

158 @153 hahhaa

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at February 21, 2013 10:52 AM (DGIjM)

159 Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at February 21, 2013 10:51 AM (M0O7A)


LOL

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 10:53 AM (l86i3)

160 Have a good day everyone. See ya.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at February 21, 2013 10:53 AM (DGIjM)

161 Hey how about them Knicks?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 10:53 AM (9Bj8R)

162 "And, the news keeps trickling out on pOsCare.



The taxes on the health insurance is actually greater than the penalty, etc.



more here at Forbes:



http://tinyurl.com/awyt5mo"

I wonder why this isn't getting more play, because if this is true, it seems pretty catastrophic to me.

I mean, the penalties are scheduled to become pretty onerous in just a few years time, and if the tax on the insurance is even higher...then I just don't know what to say.

People don't just have that kind of spare cash sitting around waiting to be sucked up by the IRS!

Posted by: Kensington at February 21, 2013 10:53 AM (uaEZS)

163
You see it. I see it. The Horde sees it.

Why
don't the pols we vote for see it? Maybe it's just me, but I don't
understand it at all. They say one thing to get elected, and then
proceed to thwart the will of the people.

WTF is going on?


Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 10:43 AM (+z4pE)

They all hope to be in a different job when the bill comes due. State assembly members hope to be in Congress, US Senate, or dare they dream Governor or AG. All the rest hope to be President. It's their mindset.
Plus, after 4 years they will be the ones promising to control the greedy beast since they are the only one who will stand up for you!!!!!!

That and another "tea party" like group will spring up to split the votes of the challengers in the nominating process.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 21, 2013 10:54 AM (Zd/NW)

164 Thanks guys. hhmmm potato chips. Lack those in house.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 21, 2013 10:54 AM (7hK27)

165 Obamacare in two words: Morphine and hospice.

Your hip hurts? Here's some morphine.
Lung cancer? Hey, have some morphine.
Congestive heart failure? Have you heard about our new morphine?

Morphine is cheap. You can have all you want.
There's no such thing as too much morphine. In fact, too much just helps resolved the situation early -- and cost effectively.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 21, 2013 10:54 AM (ZPrif)

166
Your post's formatting

It makes all the babies cry

The Barrel, now.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 21, 2013 10:52 AM (GBXon)

The original came with one space between the stanzas. From past experience I discovered that if you leave it this way, the blog will jam it all together. I put in extra spaces to compensate for this problem, and apparently the blog doubled them.

The text formatting on this blog editor sucks.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 10:55 AM (bb5+k)

167 JAY LENO: Hey, over the weekend, President Obama, you know that, President Obama played golf with Tiger Woods. And Tiger said the president was a very good golfer for a guy who only plays five days a week. You know, so, that’s pretty good. [Laughter]

Actually, you know what the president’s handicap is? Anybody know? Doesn’t understand economics. That’s the handicap. But other than that, other than that, he’s fine. [Cheers, whistles, applause]

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 10:55 AM (9Bj8R)

168 I am jakeman's complete lack of surprise.

Posted by: jakeman channeling Fight Club at February 21, 2013 10:55 AM (96M6e)

169 Actually, you know what the president’s handicap is? Anybody know?
Doesn’t understand economics. That’s the handicap. But other than that,
other than that, he’s fine. [Cheers, whistles, applause]



Jay, that chin won't save you from an audit.

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 10:56 AM (GQ8sn)

170 Jay, that chin won't save you from an audit.
Posted by: EC
***

One can hope it doesn't. He's just another hollywood douche.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 21, 2013 10:59 AM (uhftQ)

171 165
Obamacare in two words: Morphine and hospice.



Your hip hurts? Here's some morphine.

Lung cancer? Hey, have some morphine.

Congestive heart failure? Have you heard about our new morphine?



Morphine is cheap. You can have all you want.

There's no such thing as too much morphine. In fact, too much just helps resolved the situation early -- and cost effectively.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 21, 2013 10:54 AM (ZPrif)


Morphine is more evil than trans-fats and 32 oz sodas!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Nanny Bloomberg at February 21, 2013 10:59 AM (Zd/NW)

172 JAY LENO: Hey, over the weekend, President Obama,
you know that, President Obama played golf with Tiger Woods. And Tiger
said the president was a very good golfer for a guy who only plays five
days a week. You know, so, that’s pretty good. [Laughter]



Actually, you know what the president’s handicap is? Anybody know?
Doesn’t understand economics. That’s the handicap. But other than that,
other than that, he’s fine. [Cheers, whistles, applause]

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 10:55 AM (9Bj8R)


Are you making that up or did Jay Leno really say that? I would like to believe the proles are waking up.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 11:00 AM (bb5+k)

173 The text formatting on this blog editor sucks.

Well yeah, but ordering Pixy to The Barrel doesn't tend to work out so well.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 21, 2013 11:00 AM (GBXon)

174 Annnnnd, here we are again, watching the tumbleweeds and dust devils roll up the street.

Someone entertain me, dammit. I'm in a foul humor after getting screwed by a client yesterday.

Posted by: jakeman at February 21, 2013 11:00 AM (96M6e)

175
Jay, that chin won't save you from an audit.


Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 10:56 AM (GQ8sn)

But that chin makes a nice resting place for mah balls.

Posted by: King Barry I at February 21, 2013 11:01 AM (Zd/NW)

176
Are you making that up or did Jay Leno really say that? I would like to believe the proles are waking up.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 11:00 AM (bb5+k)

He said it. I don't make shit up

http://www.breitbart.com/

Go see for yourself

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 11:01 AM (9Bj8R)

177 What a piece of shit.

Walker for president. Bring ideology to the forefront! These scumbags who litter the landscape have to learn.

Posted by: MTF at February 21, 2013 11:01 AM (+GpbP)

178 I'm not usually a "PRIMARY!!11!" guy, but there can be no compromise on O-Care. The state exchanges are the last way to kill it. Primary Scott and Primary Kasich, we have to hold the line on this.

Posted by: BSR at February 21, 2013 11:01 AM (CBCxo)

179 Dear Floridians: STFO of Texas.


^^^^^
THIS.
Times a billion.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 21, 2013 11:02 AM (GFM2b)

180 I may be entirely wrong, but it looks to me as if Gov Scott is of the mind that, "hey everyone else is getting their's, I want mine too." He seems to be ok with the federal government (AKA we taxpayers) picking up the bill, but not his own state. Like he's attempting to straddle some fiscal line that isn't really there.

None of these things seem very Conservative to me.

Posted by: DangerGirl - Stop this thing, I want off at February 21, 2013 11:03 AM (EYfcP)

181 MSNBC’s David Axelrod And Baghdad Bob Gibbs Deny They Have A “Pro-Obama” Bias…

Weasel Zippers:

And I bet they said it with a straight face also. Dems lie so much better than Republicans

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 11:03 AM (9Bj8R)

182 He said it. I don't make shit up




Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 11:01 AM (9Bj8R)


We all joke. Sometimes it's hard to tell when we aren't.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 11:03 AM (bb5+k)

183 132 OT; Bomb blasts in India Syria

---

What do you bet that the blame goes to the JOOOOOOOS for the one in Syria, especially if another Iranian bigwig shows up dead?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 21, 2013 11:03 AM (e0xKF)

184 Scott revealed his true colors when he appointed Corey to railroad Zimmerman.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 21, 2013 11:04 AM (6J6x7)

185 We all joke. Sometimes it's hard to tell when we aren't.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 11:03 AM (bb5+k)


I'm not that funny

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 11:04 AM (9Bj8R)

186 I'm sure this is related somehow but the best sitcom on TV right now is The Neighbors.

Its the Beverly Hillbillies only they are Aliens. And yes its different than Third Rock From The Sun.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 11:04 AM (m2CN7)

187 Emailed Scott with my disappointment. FWIW will contact my reps in the state house.

Unless Scott comes out and backpeddles, he'll be t.o.a.s.t for a 2nd term.

A primary challenger would be good.

Posted by: willy at February 21, 2013 11:05 AM (kUCQ4)

188 Utter raging leftard imbecilic "friend" on Facebook apparently had a rare moment of clarity this morning.

She posted something to the effect of: "I'm getting worried. What are we going to do if this whole thing goes off the rails?"

In response, some leftard friend of hers commented that she shouldn't worry. "This thing is too big to fail; there are too many people with too much invested. It can't go off the rails."

And I laughed and laughed and laughed.

Posted by: 1940's Era Superman at February 21, 2013 11:05 AM (uaEZS)

189
>>MSNBC’s David Axelrod And Baghdad Bob Gibbs Deny They Have A “Pro-Obama” Bias…<<

My biggest weakness?
I'm...well, I guess if I had to call it a 'weakness'... I am too honest.
Now, Bob's answer is going to be herpes. That sore on his lip, there. That's his biggestweakness. Nobody trusts a guy with a mouth sore...we all know that.

Posted by: David Axelrod at February 21, 2013 11:06 AM (X49XP)

190 Stoopid sock puppets...

Posted by: Kensington at February 21, 2013 11:07 AM (uaEZS)

191 Other than Madame Phare, did Ace mention what kind of program he was using to learn French?

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 21, 2013 11:07 AM (mO9O5)

192 I may be entirely wrong, but it looks to me as if Gov Scott is of the mind that, "hey everyone else is getting their's, I want mine too." He seems to be ok with the federal government (AKA we taxpayers) picking up the bill, but not his own state. Like he's attempting to straddle some fiscal line that isn't really there. None of these things seem very Conservative to me.
Posted by: DangerGirl - Stop this thing, I want off at February 21, 2013 11:03 AM (EYfcP)

That's the Ron Paul philosophy. Ron Paul never saw an earmark he didn't grab while railing against earmarks.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 11:07 AM (m2CN7)

193
I don't make shit up

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2013 11:01 AM (9Bj8R)


Really? 'cause I'm pretty sure my shirt was tucked in when I got in the chair.

Posted by: Jerry Seinfeld at February 21, 2013 11:07 AM (X49XP)

194 Why don't the pols we vote for see it?

I like that we assume they're incompetent instead of evil.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 11:07 AM (/kI1Q)

195
In response, some leftard friend of hers
commented that she shouldn't worry. "This thing is too big to fail;
there are too many people with too much invested. It can't go off the
rails."

And I laughed and laughed and laughed.


Posted by: 1940's Era Superman at February 21, 2013 11:05 AM (uaEZS)

And therein lies the problem. No one believes this nation can collapse economically. It's never happened before, and it's outside their level of comprehension.

"Aye, lass, the Ship can and will sink. "--Chief Engineer, the Titanic.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 11:07 AM (bb5+k)

196 "I'm already a virtual prisoner, since I've been funemployed for five years now. We can't afford to do anything anymore except watch TV and eat, and that last one's getting more iffy by the day."


On the bright side of things, once we have socialism, it's JOBS and LIVING WAGES for EVRAHBODY!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 21, 2013 11:09 AM (yCvxi)

197 "This thing is too big to fail; there are too many people with too much invested. It can't go off the rails."

Fo' shizzlus my nizzlius

Posted by: Rome at February 21, 2013 11:11 AM (BrQrN)

198 Walker for president.

Can't wait until all those Hollywood high-school dropouts bash him for not having an Ivy League law degree like Ear Leader.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 11:11 AM (/kI1Q)

199
I like that we assume they're incompetent instead of evil.

Well, I am trying to be a bit less ranty and more polite.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 11:11 AM (+z4pE)

200 With conservatives like these, who needs Fascists? Honestly, between the GOP govs caving on Obammy Care and GOP legislators wanting to grant amnesty to illegal aliens, what the fuck do real conservatives have to hang their hats on? Besides impending doom, that is?

Posted by: holygoat at February 21, 2013 11:12 AM (XnwWl)

201 In response, some leftard friend of hers commented that she shouldn't worry. "This thing is too big to fail; there are too many people with too much invested. It can't go off the rails."And I laughed and laughed and laughed.

The Roman Empire was too big to fail too, until it did.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 21, 2013 11:12 AM (GwA+S)

202 This thing is too big to fail; there are too many people with too much invested. It can't go off the rails.

It already is off the rails. Via smalldeadanimals:

http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/02/19/where-work-is-for-suckers-2/

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 21, 2013 11:13 AM (mO9O5)

203 "Dear Floridians: STFO of Texas.


^^^^^
THIS.
Times a billion."



Hey, my liberal sister lives there. You could use my vote when I'm finally able to leave this impending shithole.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 21, 2013 11:13 AM (yCvxi)

204
"This thing is too big to fail; there are too many people with too much invested. It can't go off the rails."

When she said "this thing" did she mean America, or the plan to complete the transition to Fascism? Extrapolating from my brother, I assume the latter.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 11:13 AM (/kI1Q)

205 Can't wait until all those Hollywood high-school dropouts bash him for not having an Ivy League law degree like Ear Leader.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 11:11 AM (/kI1Q)

He doesn't have a degree period.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 11:13 AM (l86i3)

206 Can't wait until all those Hollywood high-school dropouts bash him for not having an Ivy League law degree like Ear Leader.

I actually think that's a plus.

All the problems we have now, all the stupid, corrupt pieces of shit in charge of making the big decisions that run our country are people who hold degrees from Ivy League schools.

I'm ready for someone else OUTSIDE of that bubble to have a shot.

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 11:14 AM (GQ8sn)

207 "This thing is too big to fail; there are too many people with too much invested. It can't go off the rails."

OK, now THAT is entertainment at the highest level.

Posted by: jakeman at February 21, 2013 11:14 AM (96M6e)

208 She posted something to the effect of: "I'm getting worried. What are we going to do if this whole thing goes off the rails?"

In
response, some leftard friend of hers commented that she shouldn't
worry. "This thing is too big to fail; there are too many people with
too much invested. It can't go off the rails."

And I laughed and laughed and laughed.


Posted by: 1940's Era Superman at February 21, 2013 11:05 AM



Unsinkable, they said.

Posted by: Captain Edward White, late of Titanic at February 21, 2013 11:14 AM (bAGA/)

209 He doesn't have a degree period.

I'm aware of that; I helped elect him in 2010.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 11:15 AM (/kI1Q)

210 This is the problem with many republican governors I think.
They're willing to balance their state books at the expense of the Federal Government.
Scott's just doing what's smart now for his people. If he doesn't take the money Floridians will still pay taxes to Uncle Sam, and the money will flow to other states.

I'm not saying I agree with that, because it clearly doesn't see the long term implications. But the voting populace is stupid.

Personally I'd like to see my state set up an emergency fund like Texas has (under the idea that we can't rely on the Feds to bail us out every time.)
I wonder if there'd be public support for that, or if they voting public would just be like "but..but..federal money!"

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 21, 2013 11:15 AM (b4xCO)

211 He doesn't have a degree period.

I'm aware of that; I helped elect him in 2010.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 11:15 AM (/kI1Q)

I think that makes him even better.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 11:15 AM (l86i3)

212 Obamacare in two words: Morphine and hospice.

Morphine is a narcotic. Proper Republicans shouldn't take narcotics. So just hospice for you.

Posted by: The Marchioness of Queensbury at February 21, 2013 11:16 AM (Lxw+T)

213 When she said "this thing" did she mean America, or
the plan to complete the transition to Fascism? Extrapolating from my
brother, I assume the latter.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 11:13 AM (/kI1Q)

A point I constantly try to make:
If you kill a lot of people, many of the economic problems of a nation takes care of themselves.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 11:16 AM (bb5+k)

214 "This thing is too big to fail; there are too many people with too much invested. It can't go off the rails."

Precious.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 21, 2013 11:17 AM (QJurF)

215 "This thing is too big to fail; there are too many people with too much invested. It can't go off the rails."


Thats the mentality that brings us to LIB.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 11:17 AM (l86i3)

216 And I laughed and laughed and laughed.




Posted by: 1940's Era Superman at February 21, 2013 11:05 AM



After you finished laughing, did you respond to their stupidity?

Posted by: Tami at February 21, 2013 11:18 AM (X6akg)

217 Just a drive by on my part, but a good read.

I saw it at TheOtherMcCain and figured it should get some pub, if not a post here as well.

http://scoamf.us/7g (link to TheBlaze)

One of the Columbine survivors telling Owebama he's just a bit off track with his gun grabbing.


Sorry if it's been posted in the comments already.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 21, 2013 11:19 AM (xmcEQ)

218
Barack Obama, the quintessential chocolate hollow Easter bunny.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 21, 2013 11:19 AM (yhYn1)

219
All the problems we have now, all the stupid,
corrupt pieces of shit in charge of making the big decisions that run
our country are people who hold degrees from Ivy League schools.

I'm ready for someone else OUTSIDE of that bubble to have a shot.


Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 11:14 AM (GQ8sn)

I agree. Some of the Worst Disasters in American History are the result of supposedly brilliant geniuses fucking things up. Woodrow Wilson comes to mind.

Give me a plain no-nonsense, no trying to be clever sort of fellow, and he will run a government without frills, which is the best sort of government for which one can hope.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 11:19 AM (bb5+k)

220 Forsooth, a brave man dies on only one hill but a coward retreats from hill after hill.

Posted by: Shit Shakespeare should have said at February 21, 2013 11:19 AM (Hx5uv)

221
"This thing is too big to fail; there are too many people with too much invested. It can't go off the rails."

And that is what a fine public education will do for you.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 11:19 AM (+z4pE)

222 Scott revealed his true colors when he appointed Corey to railroad Zimmerman.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 21, 2013 11:04 AM (6J6x7)


Exactly; instead of standing up to the race hustlers and letting the system handle this extremely minor and unexceptional case the way it's designed to do, he caved like a craven twat and created a major clusterfuck. Just another gutless Repuke.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 11:20 AM (FDYeH)

223 Have we gone almost 225 comments withoutthe obligatory 'america's wang' joke?

Posted by: garrett at February 21, 2013 11:20 AM (X49XP)

224 "This thing is too big to fail; there are too many people with too much invested."


Well shit, I guess I've had this "investing" thing wrong this whole time. I didn't know there was a way to eliminate risk.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 21, 2013 11:21 AM (yCvxi)

225 218
Barack Obama, the quintessential chocolate hollow Easter bunny.


That's not chocolate.

Posted by: The Marchioness of Queensbury at February 21, 2013 11:22 AM (Lxw+T)

226
I'm ready for someone else OUTSIDE of that bubble to have a shot.

I'll have to duck after I post this, but try to remember what happened to the last figure to run for high national office who wasn't part of the Ive League Elite.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 11:22 AM (+z4pE)

227 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 11:22 AM (+z4pE)

Sadly the "false appeal to authority" is alive and well in american politics.

See also Paul "I won a Nobel prize (in an area completely unrelated to what I'm talking about now)" Krugman.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 21, 2013 11:23 AM (b4xCO)

228 I'll have to duck after I post this, but try to remember what happened to the last figure to run for high national office who wasn't part of the Ive League Elite.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 11:22 AM (+z4pE)

If at first you don't succeed......

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 11:23 AM (l86i3)

229
Ive = Ivy.

Shit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 11:23 AM (+z4pE)

230 "I'll have to duck after I post this, but try to remember what happened to the last figure to run for high national office who wasn't part of the Ive League Elite."


The same thing that happened to the last one who was?


I'm drawing a blank here.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 21, 2013 11:24 AM (yCvxi)

231 Each day, I stick my head up from the ground hoping for a glimmer of
hope my country will start to turn away from this scourge of
Socialism/Marxism/Communism. And each day, I see no such hope and climb
back down into my hidey hole.

***

Here are two stories from Hot Air that confirm your "the glass is neither half full nor half empty it is damn dry and there is dust in the bottom" view of our current situation.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/bbbj3bp

http://preview.tinyurl.com/bglsm8h

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 21, 2013 11:24 AM (Hx5uv)

232 Scott Brown also won because the tea party supported him.

Be careful.

Posted by: Truman North at February 21, 2013 11:24 AM (I2LwF)

233 Ive = Ivy.Shit.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit
***

Ivy does = sh*t.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 21, 2013 11:25 AM (uhftQ)

234 I'll have to duck after I post this, but try to remember what happened
to the last figure to run for high national office who wasn't part of
the Ive League Elite.


Irrelevant.

I'm looking at the decision making ability of the person to be wiser than the crop of tards infesting DC. Walker can absolutely be president.

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 11:25 AM (GQ8sn)

235 I'm ready for someone else OUTSIDE of that bubble to have a shot.


Posted by: EC at February 21, 2013 11:14 AM (GQ8sn)

I consider the end of Clancy's 'Debt of Honor' a happy ending.

Posted by: RWC at February 21, 2013 11:25 AM (fWAjv)

236 Breaking news: Multiple coordinated bomb explosions in India, many casualties.

I blame the Tea party.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 21, 2013 11:25 AM (Hx5uv)

237
I'm drawing a blank here.

Hint: It wasn't a he.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 11:26 AM (+z4pE)

238 Well the World is blowing up, unemployment is staggering here, food, energy, and gas prices are skyrocketing and obama wants to concentrate on climate change, guns, and gay rights.... Beyond pitiful...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 21, 2013 11:26 AM (9+ccr)

239 Personally I'd like to see my state set up an emergency fund like Texas has (under the idea that we can't rely on the Feds to bail us out every time.)I wonder if there'd be public support for that, or if they voting public would just be like "but..but..federal money!"
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 21, 2013 11:15 AM (b4xCO)

Unfortunately for optics, Texas did take about 6 billion in Stimulus money though we also rejected more money that had strings attached.

As I said this was only bad regard to optics but the fact is that stimulus moneywas part of federal taxes paid by Texans and if we didn't take it , it would have been distributed to other, most likely blue states.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 11:26 AM (m2CN7)

240 Earlier there was a question about medicare covering nursing home care.
Medicare covers 60 days of nursing home care if the person is transferred from a hospital setting or needs skilled nursing care, i.e. I.V therapy, dialyisis, etc. After that, the patient pays out of pocket until they meet the medicaid maxium for assets in their state(medicaid is administered by individual states). In many states, that means $1500 in cash and a burial insurance policy. At that point Medicaid will start to pick up the tab minus any regular income the patient has such as SS, or a pension payment. If the patient has a home, it must be sold and the proceeds used to either immediately pay for care, or will be liened by the state to pay back Medicaid. Any assets transferred to children, etc. must have been done at least 5 years prior to admission or the equivalent of those funds must be paid to the nursing home before Medicaid will begin to pick up tab.
All this is assuming no spouse, there are different rules in place to preserve assets for a spouse, including the home and car.
There have been recent cases of states suing children for nursing home payments for their parents, it used to be rare, but as states are needing money it is becoming more common. And all this is before Obamacare.

Posted by: Jen at February 21, 2013 11:26 AM (Gd7W8)

241 LiB = acceptance of reality. This is the world we live in. >_> Our countrymen are idiots, lunatics, and reprobates.


We're basically destined to hit the wall because our people refuse to admit there IS a wall. All we can do is pray, and prepare.


That is IT.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LifB at February 21, 2013 11:26 AM (his4q)

242 Harry Truman did not have a degree either,

Posted by: perdogg at February 21, 2013 11:27 AM (oSdsj)

243 Breaking news: Multiple coordinated bomb explosions in India, many casualties.

I blame the Tea party.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 21, 2013 11:25 AM (Hx5uv)

Hey, a good old India Pakistan thermonuclear exchange would brighten things up about now.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 11:27 AM (l86i3)

244
Breaking news: Multiple coordinated bomb explosions in India, many casualties.

I blame the Tea party.
Posted by: WalrusRex





Assault cows....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 21, 2013 11:27 AM (kdS6q)

245 I'll have to duck after I post this, but try to
remember what happened to the last figure to run for high national
office who wasn't part of the Ive League Elite.


Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 11:22 AM (+z4pE)

Yup, they tore her apart because of their elitest snobbery. Again, we have to come up with our own media gun to show them how it tastes.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 11:28 AM (bb5+k)

246 Hey, a good old India Pakistan thermonuclear exchange would brighten things up about now.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy
Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 11:27 AM (l86i3)


My son in law is from India; he hates the mooooooslims more than I do. My daughter married well.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 11:28 AM (FDYeH)

247
We're basically destined to hit the wall because our people refuse to admit there IS a wall. All we can do is pray, and prepare.

This is Stage 8. Acceptance.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 21, 2013 11:30 AM (Fely/)

248 I disagree with your take on this, but meh.


O/T Drip drip drip. Sen Menteze is fucking toast. NY Slime link to story on how valiant he is fighting back.



http://tinyurl.com/af864fy

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 21, 2013 11:30 AM (wR+pz)

249
"This thing is too big to fail; there are too many people with
too much invested. It can't go off the rails."

Hahahahahahahah!

Posted by: Bernard Madoff’s $50 billion hedge fund scam at February 21, 2013 11:31 AM (UrENZ)

250 Can someone if Florida give us an analysis of it's chances?

The FL legislature is made up of imbeciles, cretins, incompetents, and the hugely corrupt.

Who the fuck knows...

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 21, 2013 11:31 AM (/gHaE)

251 My son in law is from India; he hates the mooooooslims more than I do. My daughter married well.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 11:28 AM (FDYeH)


Yep, the Indian guy that owns the local gas station, we call him Tony cause no one can pronounce his name, Hates em too. Get him off on a rant and he is good for 10 minutes of entertainment.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 11:31 AM (l86i3)

252
Which means...

it's time for the Foods and Boobs stages!!

Posted by: soothsayer at February 21, 2013 11:31 AM (39q3n)

253
Yup, they tore her apart because of their elitest snobbery. Again, we have to come up with our own media gun to show them how it tastes.

Agreed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 11:32 AM (+z4pE)

254 Annnnnd, here we are again, watching the tumbleweeds and dust devils roll up the street. Someone entertain me, dammit. I'm in a foul humor after getting screwed by a client yesterday.
Posted by: jakeman at February 21, 2013 11:00 AM (96M6e)


***whistles "Don't Fence Me In"***

Have a chaw of terbaccy, pardner?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 21, 2013 11:32 AM (zF6Iw)

255 I used to think a VAT would never be implemented here. Now it's just a matter of time. The Viriginian said it best. We have given in to the premise that socialism is good. Generational thinking will get you there.But since socialism can't pay for it all, we will be slapped with a VAT. High taxes are just the consequence of living in a worker's paradise.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 11:32 AM (gmeXX)

256 O/T Drip drip drip. Sen Menteze is fucking toast. NY Slime link to story on how valiant he is fighting back.



http://tinyurl.com/af864fy


Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 21, 2013 11:30 AM (wR+pz)


He looks like a cross between PeeWee Herman and Chuckie

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 11:33 AM (FDYeH)

257 Yup, they tore her apart because of their elitest snobbery

See? You cannot even spell "elitist" correctly.

*sniffs perfumed handkerchief*

Karl Rove may look like Porky Pig but he can bundle donors and win consultancy contracts. And that is how you win in politics.

Posted by: The Marchioness of Queensbury at February 21, 2013 11:33 AM (Lxw+T)

258 Looking at the link Billy Bob has, can anyone explain to me what exactly the flaming hell a "battle-tested" senator is?


Would that be anything like dodging sniper fire?


I am sick to death of this culture that uses 'battle' this and 'warrior' that for politicians, public speakers, and sports figures. THESE THINGS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH COMBAT. It is damned insulting to lavish such sycophantic praise on politicians and athletes, when the soldiers get not even a pat on the back from the nation at large. -______- Freakin' RAGE.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LifB at February 21, 2013 11:34 AM (his4q)

259 OT-

I missed a lot of threads the past two days, but has anyone mentioned the Vegas pit-bull case yet?

http://www.wafb.com/story/21288854/vegas-woman-arrested-for-sex-with-pit-bull

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 21, 2013 11:34 AM (e0xKF)

260 You want boobage, OSP can help, SFW


http://tinyurl.com/67y64kz

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 11:34 AM (l86i3)

261 Unfortunately for optics, Texas did take about 6
billion in Stimulus money though we also rejected more money that had
strings attached.



As I said this was only bad regard to optics but the fact is that
stimulus moneywas part of federal taxes paid by Texans and if we didn't
take it , it would have been distributed to other, most likely blue
states.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 11:26 AM (m2CN7)

I'm not going to fault Texas for that. The stimulus money was hard to pass up. But Texas is still more prepared for a disaster than most states. Look, what happened to New England with the Sandy funds being all delayed was mostly preventable.Yes, it's highly unlikely that any of those states individually could have saved up enough money for the totally of the repairs, however it seemed if 0 of them had any cushion to start repairs while Uncle Sugar did his "politicking thing."Same goes for MO. Tornado hits, we panic, realize we have no cushion and have to start running to the feds. It'd be nice to at least start rebuilding without them.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 21, 2013 11:34 AM (b4xCO)

262 "Hint: It wasn't a he."


Meh, not buying it. They tore Romney apart and he was an Ivy Leaguer. They tore Bush apart and he was an Ivy Leaguer. It's all about the party affiliation. They're going to find an excuse no matter what.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 21, 2013 11:34 AM (yCvxi)

263 Karl Rove may look like Porky Pig



Tammy Bruce says he looks like a ham with glasses

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 11:35 AM (FDYeH)

264 What Drew is leaving out is the requirements to expand Medicaid come with Obama Care next year.

Scott was faced with two choices. 1) have the state's taxpayer's pay for the newly mandated Medicaid recipients, or 2) have the Fed's pay for it for three years.

He would have been a fool to not take the money.

I really don't see why anyone sees this as a big deal. The Feds have him boxed in, he did the best he could.




Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 21, 2013 11:35 AM (wR+pz)

265 Huh. My employer just cut the 2014 company holidays by a third. Without a corresponding increase in pay, of course.

(I know, I know...how dare I whine about having to work for a pittance when some of you don't have that opportunity. I don't think "thankful to have a job" means I have to accept being treated unfairly. I already give up weekends and holidays to meet their stupid schedules, now they're going to take away my annual visit to my family. Fuck this shit.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 11:35 AM (/kI1Q)

266 I'm sorry but a government program that fines people for leaving it because the program cost them money doesn't sound very conservative or free market to me.

Haven't you heard, Drew? It's ruinous for conservatives to expect some sort of fidelity to conservative policies. Get with the Big Tent, don't you want to WIN?

It's Rove's Party and They'll Lie If They Want To

Posted by: kbdabear at February 21, 2013 11:36 AM (mCvL4)

267 Tammy Bruce says he looks like a ham with glasses
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 11:35 AM (FDYeH)


I like that.

I thought he looked like the Scientist from the muppets.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 11:36 AM (l86i3)

268 "Yep, the Indian guy that owns the local gas station, we call him Tony cause no one can pronounce his name, Hates em too. Get him off on a rant and he is good for 10 minutes of entertainment."


Hey, a billion or so allies can't be all bad right?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 21, 2013 11:36 AM (yCvxi)

269
Have a chaw of terbaccy, pardner?

*whittles on a stick*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 11:37 AM (+z4pE)

270
Tammy Bruce says he looks like a ham with glasses


This is a case where contacts wouldn't help with appearance.

Posted by: The Marchioness of Queensbury at February 21, 2013 11:37 AM (Lxw+T)

271 Beyond the fact that the 90% FMAP - ederal Medical Assistance Percentages -- can change, the thing that I really haven't seen covered is 90% of what? Or, from the state's view, 10% of what. There are estimates of course, but nobody really knows. And given that we've been spot on with predicting Medicaid costs over the years, state's are basically signing up to pay an unknown amount.

They can opt to drop the expansion population, but that's basically politically impossible.


[OT: and i think ace was right about my monarch comment last night.]

Posted by: DCPensFan at February 21, 2013 11:37 AM (ma/2m)

272 119
I don't know a lot about Scott. Can people in Florida let me know. Where
does he stand on social issues? Did he make them a big part of his
campaign? Or was he primarily touting himself as a fiscal conservative?
In my experience, those who claim only to be fiscal conservatives
usually aren't. Depending on Scott, this could furhter my thought, or
make me think it is just a biased observation on my part.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 10:38 AM

Scott campaigned on bringing businesses to Florida and making the state more business friendly

Didn't mention social issues much

Posted by: kbdabear at February 21, 2013 11:38 AM (mCvL4)

273 Just wanted to point out that in the name of 'insuring the uninsured,' we're going from paying for them with higher premiums via the insurance cos. to paying for them with higher taxes via the government.

In short, 'fuck you, citizen.'

Posted by: zsasz at February 21, 2013 11:38 AM (MMC8r)

274 265 Huh. My employer just cut the 2014 company holidays by a third. Without a corresponding increase in pay, of course.

(I know, I know...how dare I whine about having to work for a pittance when some of you don't have that opportunity. I don't think "thankful to have a job" means I have to accept being treated unfairly. I already give up weekends and holidays to meet their stupid schedules, now they're going to take away my annual visit to my family. Fuck this shit.)

---

Sounds like it is time to start generating a new resume and looking elsewhere.

I'd suggest trying Texas and Louisiana if not for you being stuck on staying in the midwest.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 21, 2013 11:38 AM (e0xKF)

275 What Drew is leaving out is the requirements to expand Medicaid come with Obama Care next year

---

THis is where I am confused. Isn't this what the Supreme Court saidObamacare couldn't do. I may be wrong, but I don't think you are right. Florida did not have to expand Medicaid. Texas has choosen not to. Florida has accepted the bribe the federal government gave.

This is exactly the same as the rail transportation bribes. The only difference is old people care about healthcare more than trains. But from a fiscal standpoint it is exactly the same.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 11:38 AM (gmeXX)

276 When I retired from the Navy, we could have lived in most any state we wanted. Florida was certainly, high on the list. Praise be to GOD, we settled in Texas.

Posted by: EROWMER at February 21, 2013 11:39 AM (kxlCQ)

277 Tammy Bruce says he looks like a ham with glasses This is a case where contacts wouldn't help with appearance.
Posted by: The Marchioness of Queensbury at February 21, 2013 11:37 AM (Lxw

Never understood the attacks on people's looks unless the attackedpurposedly were trying to alter their appearance. Its easy to do on the internet since no one can see what the attacker looks like.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 11:41 AM (m2CN7)

278 258
Looking at the link Billy Bob has, can anyone explain to me what exactly the flaming hell a "battle-tested" senator is?


That means he's been caught stealing shit before and knows how to "battle" out of the shit. He was charging a charity $300,000 rent on his building that he was getting them Federal money for.

He is a crooked fucking Cuban. They don't call Cubans the Joos of Latin American for nothing.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 21, 2013 11:42 AM (wR+pz)

279 I have said it again and again (as have many other people). I believe that it is impossible to roll back any of this back.

People will not give up "free stuff" and most voters, frankly, are not that bright. Even in conservative states, voters want free stuff. I just don't believe we are ever going to convince a majority of voters to cut spending significantly, cut entitlements, or significantly reduce the size and scope of government.

We are seeing this across the western world - universal suffrage democracy simply cannot lead anywhere but into a death spiral where people keep voting themselves more and more benefits.

This will continue forward as the west bankrupts itself until, eventually, something has to give in the form of significant turmoil - either civil wars, world wars, or else other kind of social upheaval.

there is simply no other way around it. The only potentiality to get around bankruptcy for the west is twofold - a technological advancement that significantly reduces the need for oil and greatly reduces the cost of energy and another medical/technological advancement that significantly reduces the cost of medical care (i.e., cure for cancer and old age).

Actually, there is a third way to avoid bankruptcy - if some kind of plague killed off most people over the age of 65, the cost savings for SS and Medicare (as well as the resulting freeing up of wealth and wealth transfer) would allow the U.S. to get into the black pretty quickly.

I actually think that the next great democracy will be based on the U.S. model (constitutional, separation of powers, guaranteed individual rights), but without universal suffrage.

Instead, voting will be limited to those between the ages of 25 - 65 and you won't be able to vote if: a) you received a welfare-type entitlement for 4 of the last 12 months prior to election day; b) you are a federal civilian employee (for federal elections); c) you fail a basic intelligence/knowledge test (testing for average or better IQ and an understanding of basic concepts - like math and reading comprehension - as well as testing for some current affairs knowledge). This will get rid of the "scare the seniors" type voting, the idiot "youth vote", as well as people who live off gov't entitlements and people who live off government wages (civilian). It will also insure some basic competency of voters. Everyone else can still volunteer for candidates, donate money, etc., but they simply cannot vote.

I think, quite frankly, that universal suffrage has proven to be a total failure. We aren't at the point of total failure - but it is eminently foreseeable and we will reach it - as will all of the western democracies that have universal suffrage.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at February 21, 2013 11:42 AM (sOx93)

280 Tammy Bruce says he looks like a ham with glasses

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 11:35 AM (FDYeH)


LOL. Separated at birth indeed.

http://tinyurl.com/bb8xryy

Posted by: RWC at February 21, 2013 11:44 AM (fWAjv)

281
Scott was faced with two choices. 1) have the state's taxpayer's pay for the newly mandated Medicaid recipients, or 2) have the Fed's pay for it for three years.

Or, he could've had a press conference and laid out exactly what was wrong with OCare, how it would screw the people,and said FU to Washington.

That would've been a far bigger boost to his political career than caving in. But that's just me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 21, 2013 11:44 AM (+z4pE)

282 I'd suggest trying Texas and Louisiana if not for you being stuck on staying in the midwest.

The weather in those places will make me physically ill 10 months out of the year.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 11:45 AM (/kI1Q)

283 Just found out our long term care insurance plan is increasing premiums by 85% because of excessive claims. Hey, guess what, old people need care!!! We're dropping it.

It's over, folks.

Pray. Prepare.

Acceptance.

Be Happy.

BTW Clarey's book Enjoy the Decline is good. Gets your head straight.

Posted by: PJ at February 21, 2013 11:46 AM (ZWaLo)

284 @275

I think the court ruled that the Feds could not penalize the states, it did not rule that the new qualifying rules were invalid.

I believe you currently qualify for Medicaid if you have income below 120% of the poverty line. I think that changes to 400% with Obama Care.

That is the rub. Obama Care is going to be the biggest cluster fuck to ever hit this country.


Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 21, 2013 11:46 AM (wR+pz)

285 That is the rub. Obama Care is going to be the biggest cluster fuck to ever hit this country.
---
No disagreement there. Part of me thinks it will crash under its own weight, but better parts of me just think it will lead to something worse.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 11:49 AM (gmeXX)

286 Monkeytoe, you don't comment often but when you do, you are so thoughtful and insightful and I find I almost always agree with your analysis of the situation.

Posted by: jeannebodine at February 21, 2013 11:49 AM (x0dlI)

287
As I said this was only bad regard to optics but
the fact is that stimulus moneywas part of federal taxes paid by Texans
and if we didn't take it , it would have been distributed to other,
most likely blue states.

Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 11:26 AM (m2CN7)

I have long had a philosophy which I refer to as "Enlightened Hypocrisy."

It is against one's best interest to put oneself at a disadvantage because you are standing on a principle to which others will not adhere.

If others are going to raid the food pantry, then you MUST also raid the food pantry.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 11:49 AM (bb5+k)

288 Perfect Tea Party candidate or not people like Scott are the "only" reason that I hold a Republican voter card.
I absolutely love incumbents and their fiscal track records, I now have a challenger of whom I can vote for.I don't know who he/she is, they could be a witch or a warlock but they have my vote if they are running against Scott.

Posted by: Drider at February 21, 2013 11:50 AM (HaJD9)

289 @283

Just say Liverpool Care Pathway for me. That's what you have to look forward to you old fart, now die and like it.



http://tinyurl.com/a84dp2t

Posted by: Your local Omaba Care Doctor at February 21, 2013 11:50 AM (wR+pz)

290 Never understood the attacks on people's looks
unless the attackedpurposedly were trying to alter their appearance. Its
easy to do on the internet since no one can see what the attacker looks
like.





Posted by: polynikes at February 21, 2013 11:41 AM (m2CN7)


Nobody said it's fair but by making yourself a public figure, particularly one that appears on television a lot, your looks will be subject to comment. Btw Tammy Bruce, the original attacker, looks pretty damn nice imo.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 11:51 AM (FDYeH)

291 Desperately wanting the rules of the game changed shouldn't prevent anyone from playing the game. It's the only frigging game in town.

And of course, there are two political parties whose primary purpose is to ensure that the game remains the same ad infinitem.

Posted by: akula51 at February 21, 2013 11:52 AM (EzOzr)

292
My son in law is from India; he hates the mooooooslims more than I do. My daughter married well.


Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 11:28 AM (FDYeH)

It is my understanding that the greatest mass slaughter in history is the Muslim massacre of Indian Hindus. The "Hindu Kush" means "Hindu slaughter" and is referring to this event.

Some 100 Million Hindus were supposedly killed by Muslims in this conflict.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 11:53 AM (bb5+k)

293 I wonder if any of Rick Scott's old buddies, who helped him defraud Medicare, will benefit from this Medicaid expansion.

Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at February 21, 2013 11:53 AM (PAUad)

294 282
I'd suggest trying Texas and Louisiana if not for you being stuck on staying in the midwest.

The weather in those places will make me physically ill 10 months out of the year.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 21, 2013 11:45 AM

Try Washington State, for all their wacky leftism they still manage to keep in mind that they still need those evil corporations. I think I read that Seattle has held up relatively well in the Obamapression

Posted by: kbdabear at February 21, 2013 11:54 AM (mCvL4)

295 Karl Rove may look like Porky Pig but he can bundle donors and win consultancy contracts. And that is how you win in politics.

Posted by: The Marchioness of Queensbury at February 21, 2013 11:33 AM (Lxw+T)

And what do you do with the money? Pay Liberal Democrats to grant you access to their broadcasting monopoly. They give Democrats access for free, but our side has to pay for it.

I say knee cap them from the start, and we won't need so much money.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 11:56 AM (bb5+k)

296 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 21, 2013 11:53 AM (bb5+k)


My S-I-L's grandfather was nearly slaughtered in the partition of Pakistan.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2013 11:57 AM (FDYeH)

297 O/T

Don't know if this has been mentioned. Former democrat Sen Selby, now Rino, says he will vote for Hagelberg.

Oy Vey!


Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 21, 2013 11:58 AM (wR+pz)

298 And Sarah Palin also lobbied hard for federal money whenever possible, the entire state of Alaska basically runs on pork barrel spending.

It's silly to think Governors (even really conservative ones) are going to turn down federal money and that they're going to dip into state coffers instead. So Red States pay into the system and Blue States get all the benefits? That's going to be hard to explain to even a conservative leaning state like Florida.

Like most conservatives, I'd like to see Social Security and MediCare reformed and privatized, but does anyone really expect any conservative to refuse either?

ObamaCare will destroy health care in this country, but I don't see the benefit in letting all of our Republican Governors lose elections over it.


Posted by: McAdams at February 21, 2013 11:59 AM (FDzht)

299 Karl Rove may look like Porky Pig but he can bundle donors and win consultancy contracts. And that is how you win in politics.



Posted by: The Marchioness of Queensbury at February 21, 2013 11:33 AM

Rove and Romney spent more than twice the money that Obama did while reaching far fewer voters.

The consultants didn't get their candidates elected, but with the money they took in they bought some nice Ferraris and snorted coke from a model's tit

Posted by: kbdabear at February 21, 2013 11:59 AM (mCvL4)

300 If others are going to raid the food pantry, then you MUST also raid the food pantry.

The tragedy of the commons.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 21, 2013 12:03 PM (evdj2)

301 I know how we can handle this….

Posted by: Arnald-Amalric at February 21, 2013 12:05 PM (g+Cz1)

302 A special thanks to Rick "the Crist" Scott and John "the Tyrant" Roberts.

Posted by: gm at February 21, 2013 12:05 PM (/kBoL)

303 I have long had a philosophy which I refer to as "Enlightened Hypocrisy." It is against one's best interest to put oneself at a disadvantage because you are standing on a principle to which others will not adhere. If others are going to raid the food pantry, then you MUST also raid the food pantry.


----

To me the answer to this question is simple. It applies to all federal expenditures. Block Granting. If the federal government wants to give $1 trillion as part of stimuls, and Congress approved. Fine, but it must be given proportionately to the states.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 12:08 PM (gmeXX)

304 Honestly, the founders gave us a great document that would solve almost all our problems, if only we'd adhere to it, even after the damage done by those early progressives. But the Court abandoned that long ago.

The Constitution is really genius. It doesn't solve all problems, but it provies a great framework for most.

Everything was working fine until those progressives started mucking with the structural underpinings ofand the Court bowed down to FDR.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 12:12 PM (gmeXX)

305 "I think, quite frankly, that universal suffrage has proven to be a total failure." I agree. The voter needs to have some skin in the game, like owning property.

As SH said, our original document works just fine, if only we would follow it.

Yeah, re Liverpool Pathway: like Clarey says, quit trying to buy security. We all end up six fee under anyway so why not enjoy the years you have instead of the years (drooling) you think you can buy?

Posted by: PJ at February 21, 2013 12:20 PM (ZWaLo)

306 Looks like the ice has softened enough I might try driving in to town.

If you don't hear from me again, look in the ditches...

Posted by: a mindful webworker at February 21, 2013 12:20 PM (GufPw)

307 The Constitution is really genius. It doesn't solve all problems, but it provies a great framework for most.



Everything was working fine until those progressives started mucking
with the structural underpinings ofand the Court bowed down to FDR.

Posted by: SH

I think the biggest flaw was the lack of any real budget constraints. Had some form of a balanced budget Amendment been in the original Constitution, around 90% of our problems would have been eliminated.

The problem was, as a young nation we had a lot of debt and the Founders never dreamed that everyone with a pulse (and even those without) would be allowed to vote.

Posted by: McAdams at February 21, 2013 12:35 PM (FDzht)

308 I think Karl Rove just found his Conservative Victory man.

The Conservative Victory Project: We'll surrender one testicle if circumstances demand it. But not two! Absolutely not two! Really!

Posted by: Campus Security at February 21, 2013 12:38 PM (lyvVo)

309 McAdams - I think that is only a problem now due to the income tax amendment. It worked out fine long before. But a BBA may be needed now to reign it in. Personally, I'm really not in favor of a BBA, because I think the Court will use it to do more harm. But hard to argue that things could really get worse. I guess I'm like the President, I may be evolving on the BBA, but for now I would still probably be against it (depends on what it says, I guess).

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2013 12:39 PM (gmeXX)

310 SCOTT WALKER
SCOTT WALKER
SCOTT WALKER
SCOTT WALKER

Posted by: CAC at February 21, 2013 12:52 PM (EYMpI)

311 "After you finished laughing, did you respond to their stupidity?"
===============

No. She's hopeless. She's an actress who lives in Colorado. She's anti "H8" yet constantly posts anti-religious and anti-conservative H8.

Not sure why I don't just unfriend her and be done with it.

Posted by: Kensington at February 21, 2013 12:58 PM (/AHDz)

312 309.

The devil's in the details, but for 90% of states it has kept budgets from getting too out of control (pension plans are a whole different animal) I just don't think our politics will ever allow a Constitutional Amendment to control spending, a majority in this country thinks it's just an abstract number. but if you hypothetically had an Amendment where budgets had to be balanced and it took a 2/3 majority in Congress to raise taxes, you would fixed about 90% of our problems.

Also, conservatives really should pay more attention to reforming the Federal Reserve, it's the credit card for Big Government. Ron Paul is wrong on foreign policy, but he's right to shine a spotlight there.

Posted by: McAdams at February 21, 2013 01:08 PM (FDzht)

313 133 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy
Lynn available on amazon. at February 21, 2013 10:44 AM (l86i3) ------- That's horrible.

Posted by: Baldy at February 21, 2013 01:12 PM (opS9C)

314 When the Senate won't even pass a budget in the first place, how would you hold them responsible for violating a BBA?

Plus you would need a very stiff "Or Else!" clause in said BBA to make politicians take it seriously. As in "All sitting Congressmen and Senators in a Congress that is found to have violated this clause, shall be permanently ineligible for reelection to Congress and shall be permanently ineligible to receive federal Congressional retirement benefits that would otherwise be due to them." Turn the motherfuckers' self-interest on themselves by making it crystal clear that if any one of them tries to violate the BBA, it fucks all 535 of them in the ass by ending their political careers and cutting them off the federal gravy train for life.

Of course, then they'd never pass the thing in the first place, so whaddayado.

Posted by: I.M. at February 21, 2013 01:49 PM (1HVeO)

315 I am beginning to think that as the provisions of Obamacare kick in, there's going to be a mighty backlash. Wait till the FSA tries to get a medical appointment! Or get stuck with a penalty!

It's going to be a mess.

Thanks, Justice Roberts!

Endless litigation and chaos and early death = Obamacare.

Posted by: PJ at February 21, 2013 02:53 PM (ZWaLo)

316
If Florida's Gov. Scott does lose reelection next year he can always go back to hollywood and revive his acting career. He's been inquite a few films including, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest and The Hills Have Eyes.

http://tinyurl.com/9wjfs7d

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 21, 2013 03:49 PM (PBm/l)

317 Rick Scott offered to fly to Texas from Florida on a holiday to speak at a Tea Party rally at his own expense in 2009. He put 5 million of his own money into his non-profit CPR (Conservatives for Patient's Rights) I want to somehow give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Is it possible, given that this has to pass the FL legislature, that he struck a deal with them-" let me go on the record being for it, so I can get re-elected, and then you guys vote it down"?

Possible? I really want to give the guy a break, here. He knows way too much about socialized medicine to be fooled by empty promises. There has to be an explanation we don't see yet.

Posted by: parteagirl at February 21, 2013 04:26 PM (jLa/Y)

318 Meh who cares? Look the Supreme Court ruled it constitutional, Boner said it is the law of the land, the senate will not pass any repeal and Obama will veto any repeal. Face reality and understand we are going off the rails and it is to late to stop it. LET IT BURN!

Posted by: Oldcrow at February 21, 2013 11:40 PM (7LL7t)

319 Thats thepurpose of Obamacare: create a permanent Dem majority. The GOP reduced to campaigning that we should be in 4th gear when we sail over the cliff, as opposed to the Dem's being in 5th gear.

Posted by: Fen at February 21, 2013 11:41 PM (a422o)






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They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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