New Book Just Comes Straight Out With It: "Against Autonomy: The Case for Collective Paternalism"

You can read a digest of the review at Althouse, or the full review (by leftwing collectivist legal critic and Obama crony) Cass Sunstein.


If the benefits justify the costs, [the wrytyr] is willing to eliminate freedom of choice, not to prevent people from obtaining their own goals but to ensure that they do so....

A natural objection is that autonomy is an end in itself and not merely a means. On this view, people should be entitled to choose as they like, even if they end up choosing poorly. In a free society, people must be allowed to make their own mistakes, and to the extent possible learn from them, rather than facing correction and punishment from bureaucratic meddlers. Conly responds that when government makes (some) decisions for us, we gain not only in personal welfare but also in autonomy, if only because our time is freed up to deal with what most concerns us....

Chew on that.

Inspector @sshole:

...So, tell me again the difference between (1) living under such a far-left regime and (2) being a monk of a religious order that imposes harsh discipline 24 hours a day, or (3) being a dog trained to kill other dogs in a kennel, or (4) being a slave of an autocratic ruler who delights in controlling every aspect of every subject including death?

Actually, #2 provides much, much more freedom in that you are allowed to leave freely (non-Islamic, since Islam demands death for leaving it) and #3, the dog can always lick its own balls in the off time.


So basically being a slave is the same as being a slave - one is by committee, and one is by birth.

The totalitarians have a lot of Five-Year Plans and schemes to organize us and direct our actions like bees in a hive.

They seem to forget the first principle, the Human Principle: We are humans, we are not bees. We are humans, we are not things. We are humans, we are not gears to be flattened and ground to fit the Machine.

C.S. Lewis should always be quoted here:

Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

A commenter said they want a monarch, and another said they want to be monarch.

This understates their ambition dramatically. At the end of the day all a monarch really wants is for his subjects to pay for his upkeep, not rebel against him, and take military duty when he decides he should go to war. And of course he'd like fancy gowns and jewels.

But beyond that, the king does not care all that much about interfering in the lives of his subjects. Treason and taxes are the extent of his real emotional investment in them.

But the totalitarian...? Oh my, do they want to do so much more to for you.

Posted by: Ace at 05:15 PM



Comments

1 "we gain not only in personal welfare but also in autonomy, if only because our time is freed up to deal with what most concerns us...."
Don't worry your pretty little head about that, darlin...

Posted by: Lea at February 20, 2013 05:17 PM (lIU4e)

2 I assume, of course, they'll also let us know what our goals and interests are. The better to achieve them, of course.

Here's hoping he steps in front of a bus.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 20, 2013 05:19 PM (GBXon)

3 Thank god the mask is falling.

Can we start the face punching yet?

Posted by: dantealiegri at February 20, 2013 05:19 PM (HXWlL)

4 Freedom is Slavery?

/Orwell. Makes Nostradamus look like a rank amateur.

Posted by: shibumi at February 20, 2013 05:19 PM (z63Tr)

5 Freedom is slavery.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2013 05:20 PM (zoehZ)

6 Sunstein refers to social science reseach that shows people actually
aren't very good at making decisions for themselves. We have "present
bias" (and don't pay enough attention to the future), we're bad at
assessing probability, and we're "unrealistically optimistic."


I guess these issues disappear when the gimlet eye of an apparatchik focuses its gleam on any problem.

*cough CALPERS 8% return expectation cough*



Posted by: Waterhouse at February 20, 2013 05:20 PM (mO9O5)

7 >>> if only because our time is freed up to deal with what most concerns us....

I.e., there is a lot of fapping going on in prison.

Posted by: wooga at February 20, 2013 05:20 PM (AoIxQ)

8 Well, it was pretty obvious.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2013 05:20 PM (zoehZ)

9

So...he's admitting that he thinks that a 'free society' is not a good thing.

Posted by: wheatie at February 20, 2013 05:20 PM (DZbQ0)

10 Polite cough .

GO FUCK YOURSELF .

That is all .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at February 20, 2013 05:21 PM (TQOZk)

11 But...but.....Teh Patriarchy!!




Guess who gets and doesn't get to Paternalize The Collective.

Posted by: BuddyPC at February 20, 2013 05:22 PM (jfUIE)

12 These people are utter totalitarians. Years ago, I remember my jaw dropping open when I encountered people who were actually opposed to freedom and said so. I mean hating it, and wanting utter control of everything. For the collective good.
Someone was favoring requiring a license to have children. I responded by writing up a Jonathan Swift style modest proposal consisting of the most Orwellian, totalitarian stuff I could think of to do that. This group thought it was serious and agreed with it, with the condition that it didn't go far enough in some areas. (These leftists of this stripe apparently lack a sarcasm gene and can't detect it).
That's when my eyes were opened about this bunch.
Just imagine Bloomberg given free rein to do whatever he liked.

Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at February 20, 2013 05:22 PM (VVB18)

13 SOON

Posted by: Patient Zero at February 20, 2013 05:22 PM (I88Jc)

14 In order then that the social compact may not be an empty formula, it

tacitly includes the undertaking, which alone can give force to the rest,

that whoever refuses to obey the general will shall be compelled to do so

by the whole body. This means nothing less than that he will be forced to

be free; for this is the condition which, by giving each citizen to his

country, secures him against all personal dependence.

Posted by: Jean-Jacques Rousseau at February 20, 2013 05:22 PM (9/bcB)

15 This shit writes itself.

Didn't the left used to say: How dare the government come between a woman and her doctor.


Well obama just put the federal government between everyone and their doctor.

How does that make sense.

Did we ever hear anything like that. once??

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 05:22 PM (tVTLU)

16 It always comes back to control. Always. What they really want is a monarch.

Posted by: DCPensFan at February 20, 2013 05:22 PM (0cUd9)

17 It's funny that they say "government" as if they're saying "God".

The "government" in their eyes is amorphous, just, incorruptible and infallible.

I wonder how different it would read if you replaced "government" with "God".

I guess the only difference is that even Ivy League law graduates don't get to be part of the Godhead.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 05:22 PM (T0NGe)

18 Who did Ann vote for in the last election? Was it Obama again? Asking for realsies, not to make a point.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 20, 2013 05:23 PM (w+Dvf)

19 Please, the amount of my time the government chews up in paperwork and stealing my life through taxation could NEVER be made up by them occasionally getting something right. If I were not a slave for 30% of the year I would already have the resources to be pursuing what I *want* to do 100% of the time. Instead I have to keep working at this job...

Posted by: doug at February 20, 2013 05:23 PM (mh+4W)

20 >>>> Cass Susstein

shush. nobody tell Glenn Beck. his head will explode.

Posted by: L, elle at February 20, 2013 05:23 PM (0PiQ4)

21 Well, political science is a science, right?

and batman's a scientist.

So...?

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 05:24 PM (QxSug)

22
BF Skinner laid the groundwork for this rationale in his WALDEN II.

Skinner was no dummy. He knew the best way to create drones was to begin by raising other people's children, en masse, from birth to adulthood and training them all to be good commie worker bees.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 20, 2013 05:24 PM (vyPsz)

23 ...So, tell me again the difference between (1) living under such a far-left regime and (2) being a monk of a religious order that imposes harsh discipline 24 hours a day, or (3) being a dog trained to kill other dogs in a kennel, or (4) being a slave of an autocratic ruler who delights in controlling every aspect of every subject including death?

Actually, #2 provides much, much more freedom in that you are allowed to leave freely (non-Islamic, since Islam demands death for leaving it) and #3, the dog can always lick its own balls in the off time.


So basically being a slave is the same as being a slave - one is by committee, and one is by birth.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at February 20, 2013 05:24 PM (UzocF)

24 What they really want is a monarch.

They may get one, though probably not the one they want.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 20, 2013 05:24 PM (GBXon)

25 social science research

Kill me now.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 05:24 PM (T0NGe)

26 So, choices are good as long as the Fed makes them for you....is that it?

Posted by: BignJames at February 20, 2013 05:25 PM (j7iSn)

27
>>>> Cass Susstein



shush. nobody tell Glenn Beck. his head will explode.

Posted by: L, elle at February 20, 2013 05:23 PM (0PiQ4)

---
nudge, nudge

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2013 05:25 PM (nELVU)

28 And to think they get mad at phrases like "liberal fascism"

Posted by: wte9 at February 20, 2013 05:25 PM (6Tcdo)

29 I see it's already been said here, but let me also add my response:

FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE!

You can take your totalitarian government and shove it up your ass.

Posted by: OSUsux at February 20, 2013 05:25 PM (DFXmi)

30

Except when most concerns us collides with what the government thinks mostly doesn't concern us.

Posted by: beach at February 20, 2013 05:25 PM (LpQbZ)

31 >>So...he's admitting that he thinks that a 'free society' is not a good thing.

I think i'd be more inclined to give him some credit (of "the balls on that guy!" variety) if he actually said that, but he's trying to make the argument that you don't really have to give up your freedom, or at least not in a meaningful way... That's even more despicable.

Also, $95?!?!

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at February 20, 2013 05:25 PM (lpR33)

32 Welcome to North Korea. Enjoy your stay.

Posted by: mama winger at February 20, 2013 05:26 PM (P6QsQ)

33 Lemme guess, the title is "The Audacity of Fascism."

Posted by: BurtTC at February 20, 2013 05:26 PM (TOk1P)

34 **What they really want is a monarch. **


Have you learned nothing, sir.

What they really want is TO BE monarch.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 05:26 PM (QxSug)

35

The caste is set.

Posted by: beachinese at February 20, 2013 05:26 PM (LpQbZ)

36 I'm sorry but someone is going to have to start kicking over chairs, punch a wall or perhaps strangle a motherfucker to show these son of a bitches enough is enough!

Posted by: General Woundwort at February 20, 2013 05:26 PM (RrD4h)

37 If Cass doesn't "nudge" us in front of the train, he'll have to hire goons to push us there. And, really, you don't want to be touched by goons, do you?

Best to go meekly.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 20, 2013 05:26 PM (eHIJJ)

38 If the govt would just deliver food, hookers, and meth to my front door every day, I could dispose of my car, and it would free up a lot more time to spend playing X-Box, banging hookers, and tweaking...

...which is what concerns me the most.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 20, 2013 05:27 PM (/gHaE)

39 One of the insidious things about the progressive world view is if we are provided with socialized medicine then the government has a legitimate cost savings interest in your health so therefore they can outlaw 32 oz. sodas. Of course, to follow the theme of the day, where there is socialized medicine, the government has an interest in banning homosexual sex on grounds of the cost of treating AIDS and other disease more prevalent in the homosexuals.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 20, 2013 05:27 PM (Hx5uv)

40 So a Republican should write a book explaining why the Government is too stupid to tell people what is good for them. Too stupid and too corrupt. They could title the book "An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations".


Wait.....is that still copywrited? Can't be even with Mickey Mouse.

Posted by: Vic at February 20, 2013 05:27 PM (53z96)

41 O/T, but Apropos of Ace's earlier post about Rebublican hypocrisy on social issues.
Ex-senator Domenici reveals illegitimate son... with DAUGHTER of former senator Paul Laxalt.

http://tinyurl.com/bdvgxd7

Posted by: Ombudsman at February 20, 2013 05:27 PM (HqXYa)

42 What you really want is to be enslaved. Don't you? Don't you ....

Posted by: mama winger at February 20, 2013 05:27 PM (P6QsQ)

43 This is why I look forward to Chris Christie pulling a Mackerel and stating that there's nothing to fear from a Eric Holder/Van Jones presidency.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 05:27 PM (QxSug)

44 Every child in America should be forced to watch the movie Dr Zhivago. Think of it as an inoculation against communism.

Hell, if Gore's bullshit Inconvenient Truth can be shown to schoolchildren then the precedent has already been set. It would be time well spent.

Posted by: LGoPs at February 20, 2013 05:27 PM (4x8W0)

45 >>>Chew on that.

Subjugation is freedom! How did I do?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 20, 2013 05:27 PM (0q2P7)

46 Shouldn't the book be free?

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 20, 2013 05:27 PM (zpqa2)

47

Skinner's version of Walden was perfect.

The children had nothing at all to worry about. What they; what they wore; what thry studied; and who they had sex with was all decided by The Deciders. Thus lwaving the children with a wonderful care-free life, full of autonomy.

wait...

Posted by: soothsayer at February 20, 2013 05:27 PM (LVtr+)

48 Oh, that actually IS the title. Same difference.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 20, 2013 05:27 PM (TOk1P)

49 "Chew on that."

Not even getting that close to my mouth.

Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2013 05:28 PM (R18D0)

50 Even though Hillary! is white, she is one half of the first interracial presidential couple. So that ought to count as something historic(TM).

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 20, 2013 05:28 PM (6zgse)

51 Cass Susstein is not a Fascist, he is a Communist which both are in direct kinship. But he sees Fascism as a vehicle to Communism.

Posted by: Vic at February 20, 2013 05:28 PM (53z96)

52 Time to go read Bonhoeffer.

Posted by: mama winger at February 20, 2013 05:28 PM (P6QsQ)

53 Reminds me of this gem Maet had in an ONT a couple of weeks ago:

Kip's Law: "Every advocate of central planning always - always - envisions himself as the central planner."

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/337265.php

Posted by: Andy at February 20, 2013 05:28 PM (OZPoa)

54 Whoops. Wrong thread.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 20, 2013 05:28 PM (6zgse)

55 FYNQ

Posted by: NYCcon at February 20, 2013 05:28 PM (jLXdE)

56 I bet the author and all those who view the book positively think that they will be in that group that decides for other (little) people thus being the ones who will still keep their autonomy.
These same peoplethink they will be the nomenklatura and they are probably right though they should remember what happened in USSR to those who fell out of favor. Loss of autonomy will be the least of their worries.

Posted by: Decaf at February 20, 2013 05:29 PM (NmvvV)

57
You can take your totalitarian government and shove it up your ass.
Posted by: OSUsux






"Brave words. I've heard them before, from thousands of species across thousands of worlds, since long before you were created. But, now they are all Borg."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2013 05:29 PM (kdS6q)

58 Isn't it about time to start shooting?

Before you think that's extreme, I just want everybody to grok that this motherfucker is actually in a position of power and influence. Does he not represent a clear and present danger to those of us that are just about to go under to people that, let's face the facts now, outnumber us and out-vote us, and are actually in a position to take our rights away?

We were supposed to have been protected from guys like this that would stomp on our rights, but the fact that they are notprohibited by words on paper would seem that we're at the point that we're going to have to overcome them by force, very much like how it all started, in 1775.

When it all comes down to it, the question ALWAYS comes back to 'How many divisions does the Supreme Court have?'.

Posted by: Bluesman at February 20, 2013 05:29 PM (ualnC)

59 Today's Democrat Party is NOT the Democrat Party of your grandfather. or your father.

I wish I could get more people to understand that.

Posted by: LGoPs at February 20, 2013 05:29 PM (4x8W0)

60
36 -

It's going to get violent. I'm not advocating, I'm predicting. At this point it pretty much has to.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 20, 2013 05:29 PM (TOk1P)

61 For some reason, given my posts in the last two threads, it struck me that it would be funny if I came in here and feigned making a case for this book. Like "oh guys, don't be so anti-intellectual! There are a lot of good points to the argument she's making here! This is exactly what's wrong with you Purity TrueCons!"

Then I realized that most people would take it at face-value. So no.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 20, 2013 05:30 PM (bcLhD)

62
>>> It's funny that they say "government" as if they're saying "God".

if you sneeze they will say "Government bless you."

Posted by: soothsayer at February 20, 2013 05:30 PM (1WM2H)

63

... totalitarians....

Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at February 20, 2013 05:22 PM (VVB1



Freedom is America's sixth sense. It's as if these folks have never felt that spark of freedom. Saw it in action. They really have never felt it. Really felt it happen.

Posted by: beachinese at February 20, 2013 05:30 PM (LpQbZ)

64
I bet the author and all those who view the book positively think that
they will be in that group that decides for other (little) people thus
being the ones who will still keep their autonomy.

----

I think Lenin referred to these folks as "useful idiots"

Posted by: fixerupper at February 20, 2013 05:30 PM (nELVU)

65 Choke the fucker with a ham sammich .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at February 20, 2013 05:30 PM (TQOZk)

66 >>So basically being a slave is the same as being a slave - one is by committee, and one is by birth.

Fry: You know what the worst thing about being a slave is? They make you work all day but they don't pay you or let you go.

Leela: That's the only thing about being a slave!

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at February 20, 2013 05:30 PM (lpR33)

67 Because men become angels once they enter government service, and want only what's in everyone's best interest.

History proves this over and over.

Posted by: Fred at February 20, 2013 05:30 PM (RSPPF)

68 Susstein refers to social science reseach that shows people actually aren't very good at making decisions for themselves.

Exactly why I want those same people making my decisions! Hey, can I get insured on my parent's policy until I'm 55? I'll go on Social Security after that.

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2013 05:31 PM (FcR7P)

69 Hell, I'll chew on anything. Bring it here.

Posted by: Chris Christie at February 20, 2013 05:31 PM (R18D0)

70 As a recovering former businessman I tend to try to block out the decades I tried to work with a government that wanted me out of business. I've been pretty good at self medicating to erase the memories but every once in a while a memory pops up out of no where and I remember.

Today I remembered the couple hundred dollar check I had to send off to the state every year because I had a twenty foot by five foot sign on top of the building. If you drove to the very edge of the road, and peered way over, the sign was visible from the interstate. Hence the state wanted a couple hundred dollars. For what possible reason?

It doesn't matter. They knew they could hire a couple hundred people to police the interstate, collect the names and addresses of any business with a sign they could barely see, then send them a bill, which would cover their salary and benefits that were much higher then the owners of the businesses they shook down.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 20, 2013 05:31 PM (feFL6)

71 28 And to think they get mad at phrases like "liberal fascism"
Posted by: wte9 at February 20, 2013 05:25 PM (6Tcdo)


This. They have no idea.

And they hate you. Not just cons, socons or even fiscons. They hate all the untermenschen. You need to be ruled by an elite. You need to be forced not to smoke, not to eat fatty foods, not to drink the wrong things, to carry a cloth bag with you on your bicycle from your huge gray apartment.

The real scam of socialism is that the elites think "everybody knows" what ought to be done and "everybody knows" what the best direction is. The problem is, they have a different idea in their head of this.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 05:31 PM (T0NGe)

72 They don't even hide It any longer. They're out in the open, shouting their Crazy-Hate from the rooftops


targets, they are. Marks, they think we are

Posted by: John Smith at February 20, 2013 05:32 PM (Dll6b)

73 If there's one group of people who I want telling me what to do it's democratic voting government bureaucrats too incompetent to work in the private sector.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 20, 2013 05:32 PM (w+Dvf)

74

But, now they are all Borg."
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2013 05:29 PM (kdS6q)


The Borg were kinda cute.

Like the hand-holding otters.

Posted by: beachinese at February 20, 2013 05:32 PM (LpQbZ)

75 Kip's Law: "Every advocate of central planning always - always - envisions himself as the central planner."

Grey Fox's Addendum: But seldom is, when central planning actually begins.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 20, 2013 05:32 PM (EI3K0)

76 There is an unstated assumption present here also that should be brought out into the open. Obama knows better than you do what food to eat, what car to drive, what medicine is necessary. How did he acquire such omniscience?

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 20, 2013 05:32 PM (Hx5uv)

77 Susstein refers to social science reseach that shows people actually aren't very good at making decisions for themselves.



So people suck at making decisions for themselves but are fucking awesome at making decisions for other people.

Don't chew on that. Just suck on it.

Posted by: Dang at February 20, 2013 05:33 PM (R18D0)

78 These bars make me safe.

I don't have to worry about the weather.

I have hours of free time to pursue those things I love the most.


{gag}

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 05:33 PM (qyv02)

79 This guy makes slavery in the Old South look like a fun time.

Fuck me, these guys are insane.

Reminds me of the time I got in a steel cage, tag-team deathmatch argument with the local MoveOn folks prior to Gulf War 2.

I was dumbfounded when one of the guys said, in all seriousness, "What's wrong with communism if the people vote for it?"

This guy, old enough to have lived through communism's greatest slaughters, the fall of Yugoslavia, the USSR and the Berlin Wall . . . .

W.T.F.?

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 20, 2013 05:33 PM (VjL9S)

80 "We have to destroy freedom in order to save it".

It finally makes sense to the lefties.

Posted by: Decaf at February 20, 2013 05:33 PM (NmvvV)

81
This sounds great, I'll let those that know better make the decisions for me!
I have more time for American Idol, Survivor, Girls and my Facebook.
WIN-WIN! Tiger Blood!

Posted by: Low Motivation Non Voter at February 20, 2013 05:33 PM (zLp5I)

82
61 -

It doesn't make any difference, we already believe you're an ass.

Because you are.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 20, 2013 05:34 PM (TOk1P)

83 with you on your bicycle from your huge gray apartment.

----


Who said ANYTHING about huge ????

Posted by: Your Betters at February 20, 2013 05:34 PM (nELVU)

84 Wait, who is going to make the decisions for the decision makers?

Posted by: polynikes at February 20, 2013 05:34 PM (m2CN7)

85 McCain and Rove will buy the book. And most likely the price is $95 because it is intended to be a text book and will probably be widely used when the fuck factories supported by your tax dollars force you to buy it for your sons and daughters,

Posted by: Vic at February 20, 2013 05:34 PM (53z96)

86 They want to keep us as pets.

Posted by: mama winger at February 20, 2013 05:34 PM (P6QsQ)

87 I think the Amsterdam story illustrates the stupidity of the smart set.

I don't know if you know this, but Amsterdam had already banned foreigners from the "coffee shops" (read: marijuana houses) because they couldn't stand the pot tourists.

Now that "safe, legal and rare" prostitution didn't turn out like they predicted (yea! unintended consequences!) they're probably going to re-ban that.

The real problem is that Europe isn't collapsing fast enough. People still think the comfortable socialist state is sustainable.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 05:35 PM (T0NGe)

88 And of course in a world run by bureaucrats, 'scientifically' altering peoples' lives, no one will be held accountable for mistakes.

Destroy a family? Well, these things happen.

Eliminate classes of jobs. You're better off on welfare, dear child.

Kill someone. Again, see under 'shit happens.'

If there were only one rule that I could imprint in the minds of every young person it would be 'Those that insist on not being held accountable for mistakes are enemies of all mankind.'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2013 05:35 PM (Ipj15)

89 >>There is an unstated assumption present here also that should be brought out into the open. Obama knows better than you do what food to eat, what car to drive, what medicine is necessary. How did he acquire such omniscience?

Slight disagreement: it's not about Obama knowing better than you; it's the "elite," of which Obama happens to be a member. Of course, Cass thinks himself to be in this elite as well, because he's an alpha, or at least a beta, and wants to free all of us gammas from the horrible burdens of thought and freedom.

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at February 20, 2013 05:36 PM (lpR33)

90 Why do I get the feeling I don't get to be daddy....that they have someone else in mind for that....?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 05:36 PM (LRFds)

91 I went off to figure out Ace's French--and my brain has fried.

He's actually making rapid ground --but he's going it like a butler to a porn star--or something.

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 05:36 PM (r2PLg)

92 If they could only figure out a way to harness all the FSA sitting at home on the couch watching TV.

We're only a few steps from the Matrix folks.

Beam the signal straight into the brain.

Siphon off the heat/chemical energy/neural activity for use in the gov't machine.

Think of welfare as farming. Literally the fat of the land.

What's the difference?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 05:36 PM (qyv02)

93 "You are all unique individuals!"
....
"I'm not!"

Posted by: fb at February 20, 2013 05:36 PM (JVEmw)

94 What's up with the USDA diversity classes?

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 05:36 PM (QxSug)

95 Since Ace is wasting his time learning French rather than reading A Brave New World....

I know everyone has read 1984. With regard to these new Smart TVs, with two way video technology, does anyone think we may be fast approaching the day when we do our "government mandated exercises" in front of the TV?????

For some reason, that part always freaked me out about 1984.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 05:36 PM (tVTLU)

96 omg dylsexia-away take me.

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 05:36 PM (r2PLg)

97 There is no freedom without the freedom to fuck up your life.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 20, 2013 05:37 PM (QupBk)

98 These bars make me safe.

I don't have to worry about the weather.

I have hours of free time to pursue those things I love the most.


{gag}




A cage. To stay behind bars until use and old age accept them and all chance of valor has gone beyond recall or desire.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 20, 2013 05:37 PM (0q2P7)

99 Today's Democrat Party is NOT the Democrat Party of your grandfather. or your father.

Butit is. Democrats are the party of slavery and this is just a continuation of it.

Posted by: Decaf at February 20, 2013 05:37 PM (NmvvV)

100
When I read things like that I always have the urge to force the writer or susstein to do something against their will. Just take away some of their freedom. And tell them its good for them.

Just to watch.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 20, 2013 05:37 PM (p/cQy)

101 because I had a twenty foot by five foot sign on top of the building.

Getting a sign permit in parts of FL is expensive and the restriction on placement/style/size are often onerous (Boca Raton I'm looking at YOU).

People have gotten around this by painting their signs on the side of old box trucks and vans and parking them in their lots. If its mobile, its not a fixed premises sign and none of the code restrictions and fees apply.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 20, 2013 05:37 PM (/gHaE)

102 Well, now I've learned that we can merrily march into fire as long as we're all ghey together.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 05:38 PM (QxSug)

103
A Train Ride?! I won a free train ride to Camp?

Gee, where are we going? Why is this a box car?

Work Makes Freedom? That is a strange name for an amusement park!

Posted by: Low Motivation Non Voter at February 20, 2013 05:38 PM (zLp5I)

104 Welcooooooooooome to the Machine.

Posted by: Pink Floyd at February 20, 2013 05:38 PM (mV8sg)

105 Yeah, but it's the RETHUGLICANS want to tell you how to live!

Posted by: WheelmanForHire at February 20, 2013 05:38 PM (l8nIR)

106
"Chew on that."



No, thank you.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2013 05:38 PM (1Y+hH)

107 The Brain Mapping will take a Ten Year Plan.

Posted by: Leftist Totalitarian Type at February 20, 2013 05:38 PM (ZJW1c)

108 ace's French is to French as military music is to music

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at February 20, 2013 05:38 PM (Dll6b)

109 "we gain not only in personal welfare but also in autonomy, if only
because our time is freed up to deal with what most concerns us...."



Having to deal with the mundane things that comes with autonomy leads to an appreciation of freedom. What if what concerns us most is our freedom?

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 20, 2013 05:39 PM (NzBQO)

110 Wait--...I've been arguing and reading Jeff B. , Ace's French--and soothsayer's inferences.

I think I'm stroking out.

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 05:39 PM (r2PLg)

111 Senator Domenci couldn't keep his dick out of his fellow Senator's wife. Even the good politicians have no morals.

Posted by: polynikes at February 20, 2013 05:39 PM (m2CN7)

112
They want to keep us as pets.
Posted by: mama winger




"We'll make great pets"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 20, 2013 05:39 PM (kdS6q)

113 I think it should be noted that these neo-totalitarians think of this shit while jerking off to Rage Against the Machine.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 20, 2013 05:39 PM (VjL9S)

114 I'm just a cog on the big wheel of communism. If I break off, I will not be missed.

Posted by: Locked Nest Monster at February 20, 2013 05:39 PM (JgkPs)

115 the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. America needs to hang the government class and they are few in number.

Posted by: No Feet Johnson at February 20, 2013 05:39 PM (KHo8t)

116
60
36 -

It's going to get violent. I'm not advocating, I'm predicting. At this point it pretty much has to.

It should. But it won't.

Well, maybe if TV goes dark and the fast food dries up. But otherwise, no. Most of the population are fatted-up, numbed farm animals who will do what they are told. The rare exceptions will be pounded flat in record time.

We are no longer what we were even 25 years ago.

Posted by: Jaws at February 20, 2013 05:39 PM (4I3Uo)

117 I should state that betrayal is number one on my list of stuff I despise.

Posted by: polynikes at February 20, 2013 05:40 PM (m2CN7)

118 Hmmm. So humans are unable to make good decisions. I guess Martians are going to be running the govt and making fantastic decisions on our behalf then.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 20, 2013 05:40 PM (6zgse)

119 So are we just witnessing the fight to be one of the 10%-ers, 'cause the central planning vibe is getting strong enough to really get some people off.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 20, 2013 05:40 PM (eHIJJ)

120 108 ace's French is to French as military music is to music
Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at February 20, 2013 05:38 PM (Dll6b)

______________

It's formal yet pornish--I've got a headache--and he's going at it like Patton through the Germans.

Actually I think Patton studied the Frwanch lang.

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 05:40 PM (r2PLg)

121 So now we see what comes after "take all their guns/buy out all the ammunition"

Posted by: How the libs will respond to gun statistics at February 20, 2013 05:40 PM (ElfHn)

122 I'll make a lousy pet. I'll chew up the furniture and shit on the carpet.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 20, 2013 05:40 PM (/gHaE)

123 >>For some reason, that part always freaked me out about 1984.

The scene that probably most stuck with from 1984 (besides the "He had loved Big Brother!") was him putting the piece of dust on the cover of his journal so he would know if someone opened it.... and he realized later that they had. They had just put the mote back when they were done. I think it was the marriage of malevolence and competence displayed by that moment that always got me.

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at February 20, 2013 05:41 PM (lpR33)

124
"32Welcome to North Korea. Enjoy your stay."



Heh! Iown THREE acres of trees! You will come to me for your bark soup!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 20, 2013 05:41 PM (UrENZ)

125 Remember: When the Democrats talk about "freedom" they mean freedom from want, not freedom of self.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 20, 2013 05:41 PM (VjL9S)

126 Patton spoke fluent French and Latin

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at February 20, 2013 05:41 PM (Dll6b)

127

Why don't they push this sh*t in a different country.

Oh, wait, because freedom.

Posted by: beachinese at February 20, 2013 05:41 PM (LpQbZ)

128 FOCK DA SYSTEM
... that being said, we'd like to make some changes to the system's rules which you'll be forced to live under.

Posted by: fb at February 20, 2013 05:42 PM (JVEmw)

129 Ban the 4th of July!!

Seriously, if this shit keeps going the way it seems to be. I'm going to be wearing black on Independence Day and hanging my flag upsidown.

Posted by: L, elle at February 20, 2013 05:42 PM (0PiQ4)

130 I can't even read stuff like this any more. People are going to die, soon, and in large numbers. Either to stamp this evil out, or to succumb to it. The center cannot hold.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 20, 2013 05:42 PM (QupBk)

131 The White Zone is for Loading and Unloading ONLY

Posted by: Central Scrutinizer at February 20, 2013 05:42 PM (gGDyg)

132 As with the most dangerous and provocative ideas, this one contains a kernel of truth: there are some things that it is more efficient for us to do collectively, and, frankly, against the will of some.

Take national defense. Pacifists have to pay taxes, too. But it's a hell of a lot more efficient to collectively perform this task than to leave it to individual autonomy. Same for police, fire protection, etc.

The beauty of the Constitution is that it specifically enumerates those things it makes sense to "collectivize," leaving all other things to our autonomous self-interests.

People like Sunstein, naturally, would like to eliminate the constraints of the Constitution.

Posted by: angler at February 20, 2013 05:42 PM (SwjAj)

133 They seem to forget the first principle, the Human Principle: We are humans, we are not bees. We are humans, we are not things. We are humans, we are not gears to be flattened and ground to fit the Machine.
Yes, we are humans, created equally. How terribly evil to think you are better than everyone else and must control them (and also, terribly stupid to think that you can.)

Posted by: Liberty Lover at February 20, 2013 05:42 PM (encrR)

134 Most of the population are fatted-up, numbed farm animals who will do what they are told.

If that's so...we may want to draft a new plan. And get used to being much harsher.

Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 20, 2013 05:42 PM (GBXon)

135 ...competed in the 1912 Olympics


and once told Woodrow Wilson to FOAD

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at February 20, 2013 05:42 PM (Dll6b)

136 well there's nothing wrong with a society in general encouraging (not dictating) certain things, obviously. the problem is that people like this guy look at societal problems as technocratic ones, i.e. they tend to think talking about morals in general is icky.

so you get this lefty trend of acknowledging that yes, family breakdown for example is a problem, but you know, it is what it is and we have to solve it economically.

it's a combination of personal libertarianism + thinking government can always effectively pick up the pieces from any downsides that come out of it

Posted by: JDP at February 20, 2013 05:42 PM (60GaT)

137

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 05:36 PM (tVTLU)But think of how many jobs would be created by hiring people to monitor everyone!

Posted by: DKCZ at February 20, 2013 05:43 PM (9/bcB)

138 63 ----"Freedom is America's sixth sense. "

Posted by: beachinese at February 20, 2013 05:30 PM (LpQbZ)

No, it was once but now? Not so much.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 20, 2013 05:43 PM (C8mVl)

139 Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

Posted by: C.S. Lewis at February 20, 2013 05:43 PM (OZPoa)

140 Didn't Ace once say that "those who dream of benevolent dictatorships always fancy themselves as the dictator", or something like that?

Posted by: How the libs will respond to gun statistics at February 20, 2013 05:43 PM (ElfHn)

141 This explains the gun control push.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at February 20, 2013 05:43 PM (ZMzpb)

142 Patton spoke fluent French and Latin

Obama reads fluent Prompter English.

Progress!

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2013 05:43 PM (FcR7P)

143 My mind is still trying to work out the Socrates stuff in the "no homo" thread.

The perpetuation of the state needs to encourage the production of future armies to insure the continuation of the state so--ya the government is not completely vile when they try to encourage marriages that produce future tax payers--or something.


*friitzz*

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 05:44 PM (r2PLg)

144 134 Cavil,

Like I said last night I've spent a lifetime not trying to carry a tally sheet like my dad does.....

I have the tally sheet I just don't read it.

We ever liberate ourselves from our conscience like the left has there will be hell to pay.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 05:44 PM (LRFds)

145 I can't even read stuff like this any more. People
are going to die, soon, and in large numbers. Either to stamp this evil
out, or to succumb to it. The center cannot hold.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 20, 2013 05:42 PM (QupBk)

-------------

I recommend the biography "Bonhoeffer", by Eric Metaxas.

Posted by: mama winger at February 20, 2013 05:44 PM (P6QsQ)

146 I guess Martians are going to be running the govt and making fantastic decisions on our behalf then.

A conservative writer came out with a book a couple of decades ago on almost that exact topic. It was a dystopian nightmare but the hippies took it as mantra and he sold millions of copies. The writer had to put up a twenty foot tall barbed wire fence to keep them off his property because they wanted to bow at his feet. He wanted to shoot them on sight.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 20, 2013 05:44 PM (feFL6)

147 And lest you forget: This is what make you--the conservative--evil, an evil that deserves no quarter, no mercy, no regard, no common decency; You stand there in the way of their absolute certainty that they know what is best for man, their glorious utopia.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 20, 2013 05:44 PM (VjL9S)

148 So humans are unable to make good decisions.

***

If you want proof of this, just check out the alphabet networks' prime time line up. We chose those shows.;

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 20, 2013 05:44 PM (Hx5uv)

149 >>>He's actually making rapid ground --but he's going it like a butler to a porn star--or something.

you mean I'm advancing in it? I don't get the butler/porn star thing.

The thing is, any moron can learn french. France has millions of morons who learned it. In the beginning it seems easy, then it gets hard and frustrating. Then, past that, it starts to click.

Honestly, now that I'm starting to pick up on it, it's basically misspelled English. The little bitty functional words are largely different (I think that books should start with these!) but the bigger nouns and verbs are about 50% a variation of English. I'm starting to feel like it's not even learning another language.

When I knock this salaud (Bastard) off in about six months, I'm going to do the language I really want to learn, Italian. Which seems a lot easier to me. Their pronunciation is pretty straightforward.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 05:45 PM (LCRYB)

150 126 Patton spoke fluent French and Latin
Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at February 20, 2013 05:41 PM (Dll6b)

__________

La voila!

Le français est pas homo--je reste le cas pour ça.

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 05:45 PM (r2PLg)

151 damn sock

Posted by: weew at February 20, 2013 05:45 PM (ElfHn)

152 "The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated."


He will probably pay you a pretty penny to do some work for him. Shocker of all shocks you might actually get some quality goods out of these robber barons.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 20, 2013 05:45 PM (NzBQO)

153
anybody watching FRINGE?

they have the Observers, aka invaders, the loyalists, and the resistance

I have no point.

Never mind.

Carry on, my wayward sons.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 20, 2013 05:46 PM (BUcLz)

154 147 Royal Oil,

It really does boil down to the "simple" notion they have that mankind is perfectible.

I see mankind's "perfection" being our diversity and dynamic differences they want conformity.

I aim to misbehave if need be.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 05:46 PM (LRFds)

155 I was The First Fascist -- get over it


also, I liked pretty boys, and I back-stabbed Socrates.

Posted by: Plato at February 20, 2013 05:47 PM (Dll6b)

156 We are humans, we are not bees. We are humans, we are not things.


I am a mongoose.

Posted by: eleven at February 20, 2013 05:47 PM (KXm42)

157 Tocqueville is spinning so fast that France no longer requires all those reactors...

Posted by: Skookumchuk at February 20, 2013 05:47 PM (x4x3r)

158 I'm starting to feel like it's not even learning another language.

You haven't conjugated verbs yet, have you?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 05:47 PM (T0NGe)

159 So. What's anyone think will be the 21st century equivalent of the Intolerable Acts?

Health Care?

Universal Background Check?

Immigration law?

Sequestration?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 05:47 PM (qyv02)

160 Welcome to North Korea. Enjoy your stay.

***

Should be "Welcome to North Korea. You'd Better Enjoy Your Stay."

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 20, 2013 05:48 PM (Hx5uv)

161 Isn't this the same argument the pimp makes to his stable of whores? The pimp takes the money from their labor and holds it for them. He tells them what to do. It's all for their own good, you see.

The only difference here is that the pimps are more fashionably dressed. No "USPS fashion" at the Players' Ball.

Posted by: wooga at February 20, 2013 05:48 PM (jBgKG)

162 I am a mongoose.

That's a type of weasel, right?

Posted by: toby928© beating memes to death since 2006 at February 20, 2013 05:48 PM (QupBk)

163 you mean, "n'est pas homo?'

Posted by: Plato at February 20, 2013 05:48 PM (Dll6b)

164 147 And lest you forget: This is what make you--the conservative--evil, an evil that deserves no quarter, no mercy, no regard, no common decency; You stand there in the way of their absolute certainty that they know what is best for man, their glorious utopia.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 20, 2013 05:44 PM (VjL9S)


There are two types of leftist regimes, those who have reached the stage of death camps, and those who have not.

The former have killed probably over 200 million people (depending on who you ask) in the last century.

Humans have a hard time learning that lesson, as I am fond of saying; The primary hobby of the far left over the last two and a half centuries is murdering peasants, and yet no one is more popular with peasants than the far left.

The critics are right, there is no way for armed peasants to "defeat" a modern government (in terms of winning), we can only hope that mutually-assured destruction remains a deterrent.

And keep saying "No," loudly, and every day.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 20, 2013 05:49 PM (bxiXv)

165 When I knock this salaud (Bastard) off in about six months, I'm going to
do the language I really want to learn, Italian. Which seems a lot
easier to me. Their pronunciation is pretty straightforward.


You're gonna need a bigger moustache.


Il mostaccio

Posted by: eleven at February 20, 2013 05:49 PM (KXm42)

166 Regular Moron at February 20, 2013 05:44 PM (feFL6)

Was that Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 05:49 PM (qyv02)

167
Obviously, the government has decided that I don't need a job and my spare time is to be spent typing comments here (NTTAWWT).

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 20, 2013 05:50 PM (+z4pE)

168 I am a mongoose.

Call me what I am or I will chew your face off.

Posted by: Riki Tiki Tavi at February 20, 2013 05:50 PM (l86i3)

169 French pronunciation is also straightforward and very consistent once you learn the rules. English, not so much: though, through, tough, bough

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 20, 2013 05:50 PM (6zgse)

170 To no one in particular: How can Obama be cool when he and his minions are the establishment, and we are struggling underneath their boots? We are the true rebels. Not the Sandra Flukes.

Posted by: Baldy at February 20, 2013 05:51 PM (opS9C)

171 Mongoose: snake hating rat.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 05:51 PM (qyv02)

172


Mind hoarding.

Posted by: beach gathering at February 20, 2013 05:51 PM (LpQbZ)

173 This topic reminds me of a story- about a man who saw a problem and did something about it

-for entertainment purposes only-


Late summer-autumn 1968: Kurtz's patrols in the highlands coming under frequent ambush. The camp started falling apart. November: Kurtz orders the assassination of three Vietnamese men and one woman. Two of the men were Colonels in the South Vietnamese army. Enemy activity in his old sector dropped off to nothing.

Guess he must have hit the right four people.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 20, 2013 05:51 PM (8sCoq)

174 I warned everyone about the smoking bans. It creeps in INCREMENTALLY. They have no fucking right to say I can't have smoking in my business. Fuck them. And, to put the icing on the cake, after reading Crichton's speech we find out THAT THE WHOLE FUCKING THING WAS BASED ON JUNK "SCIENCE" and that the EPA lied about everything and there is no demonstrable health risk with second hand smoke. Now I just read they want to ban smoking in cars that I fucking own. When and where do we take a stand on that shit.

think on that. as of course, that is really the question. secession is not as crazy as it sounds, quite frankly. call it separation if it makes you feel better. our forebears did.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 05:51 PM (tVTLU)

175 It's time, It's really time.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 20, 2013 05:51 PM (l86i3)

176
"So. What's anyone think will be the 21st century equivalent of the Intolerable Acts?

Health Care?

Universal Background Check?

Immigration law?

Sequestration?"

No.

The cancellation of American Idol.

Next question.

Posted by: Jaws at February 20, 2013 05:52 PM (4I3Uo)

177 Be careful. I am Death!

Posted by: Karait, the dusty brown snakeling at February 20, 2013 05:52 PM (QupBk)

178 "We are humans, we are not bees. We are humans, we are not things."

Bob Dole is Spartacus.

Posted by: Bob Dole at February 20, 2013 05:52 PM (eHIJJ)

179 86---" They want to keep us as pets."
Posted by: mama winger at February 20, 2013 05:34 PM (P6QsQ)

Most people, yes, but not us.
You have the training/keeping class and the pet class, but you also have to have demons. Without demons, you've got no one to blame when prosperity and happiness doesn't abound.
I think a lot of us here will be demons.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 20, 2013 05:52 PM (C8mVl)

180
I am a mongoose.

I am a meat popsicle.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 20, 2013 05:52 PM (+z4pE)

181 Was that Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land?


Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 05:49 PM (qyv02)

Heinlein had some interesting non traditional views on marriage, no matter what stage he wrote in his life.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 20, 2013 05:52 PM (NzBQO)

182 Je suis fatigue..........mais j'ai un boner Grande

Posted by: Plato at February 20, 2013 05:53 PM (Dll6b)

183 French pronunciation is also straightforward and very consistent once
you learn the rules. English, not so much: though, through, tough,
bough.

***

George Bernard Shaw once said that English is the most difficult language because based upon English pronunciation fish should be spelled ghoti. Gh as in enough. O as in women. Ti as in nation.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 20, 2013 05:53 PM (Hx5uv)

184 I am a Walrus.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 05:53 PM (qyv02)

185 >>>You haven't conjugated verbs yet, have you?

no I do. But French is Retarded Latin and as far as speaking, in three cases the spoken version of the conjuagated verb is precisely the same in all cases, and this is usually the case in a fourth as well. And then the nous (we) you just add ons ("oh (nazalized n)") and for vous (you formal, you all) you add "ez" (ay)

here's the conjugation for "saver," to know, as you'd really say it

je say
tu say
il say
elle say
on say
ils say

nous savyah(nasilized n)
vous savez

okay you had to remember to bring back in the dropped V into the last two but it's not that hard.

or sortir, exit:

je sohr
tu sorh
il sohr
elle sohr
ils sohr

nous sohrtahn (nazilized n) (spelled sortons)
vous sortay (spelled sortez)

again you had to remember to pronounce that "T" for the last two.

Eh. I'm treating it like a video game diversion, where I'm just using it as a past-time challenge for myself, powering up and gathering up coins and mushrooms.

But I tell you what: When I have french and Italian down, I have whole new world of porn to sample.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 05:54 PM (LCRYB)

186
This is why I dont sweat the small stuff anymore such as Karl Rove as a Nazi or a harmless remark made by a stupid Repiblican candidate.

I consider this to be the "big" stuff.

The Democrats should be the ones on the hot seat. Instead we find ourselves carefully maneuvering the imaginary mine field of budget cuts and gay groups at cpac.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 20, 2013 05:54 PM (Y4TdB)

187 Wait, there was a homo thread??? hahahahahahaha. who cares where you stick what and with whom.

people are so damn sensitive and paranoid these days it drives me frigging nuts.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 05:54 PM (tVTLU)

188 you mean I'm advancing in it? I don't get the butler/porn star thing.

The thing is, any moron can learn french. France has millions of morons who learned it. In the beginning it seems easy, then it gets hard and frustrating. Then, past that, it starts to click.



Ace --


Butler would be your style--form--the formal- at this website of all places.

Pornish would be the meaning.

Or I can tell you watch French porn.

Writing is the hardest part of it.

I think you are coming along rapidly.

Anyhoo--

Check this out.

http://la-conjugaison.nouvelobs.com/exercice/

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 05:54 PM (r2PLg)

189 175 It's time, It's really time.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 20, 2013 05:51 PM (l86i3)


The problem with time is that you never know quite if it's time until you've passed it, and sometimes even then.

I think it may have been time before I was born, but no one knew it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 20, 2013 05:54 PM (bxiXv)

190 We are the Eggmen.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 20, 2013 05:54 PM (QupBk)

191 >>It really does boil down to the "simple" notion they have that mankind is perfectible.

And by the way, how this notion survived the 20th century (let alone the rest of human history) is one of life's great mysteries. The religious among us can actually buy the perfectibility of mankind quite easily--it takes a miraculous Act of God. This doesn't happen until after the Apocalypse, though. For secularists, what mechanism can possibly achieve this?

A quote from Kant seems appropriate here: Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made.

Posted by: Occam's Safety Razor at February 20, 2013 05:54 PM (lpR33)

192 The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.

Posted by: polynikes at February 20, 2013 05:54 PM (m2CN7)

193 I've been watching "World Without End" on Netflix. It's an adaptation of the Ken Follett novel dealing with everyday life in the 14th Century, or at least life viewed through a Jerry Springer prism. Anyway, there was a good line last night. The heroine is trying to get land so she and her serf husband can support themselves. She asks why the local sheriff is making that impossible. He replies along the lines of "you're peasants. Your reason to exist is to provide food and money to the lords and the clergy."

There truly is nothing new under the sun.

Posted by: pep at February 20, 2013 05:54 PM (6TB1Z)

194 People like Sunstein, naturally, would like to eliminate the constraints of the Constitution.

Posted by: angler


That's where they pipe up with the bad, 'negative' rights that stop the Feds from doing everything under the sun, and start with the good, 'positive' rights in which the Feds must provide everything for everyone.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2013 05:54 PM (Ipj15)

195 Was that Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land?

You got it. Sci Fi channel did a show on him recently, which was where I got those facts. He also lived right next to Cheyenne Mountain during the cold war and (rightfully) figured out that might not be the safest place on the planet to live. So he installed a bomb shelter with blast door. It was a good show.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 20, 2013 05:55 PM (feFL6)

196 When I have french and Italian down, I have whole new world of porn to sample.
Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 05:54 PM (LCRYB)

Plus a better class of snobs to hang out with.

Or was that snots?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 05:55 PM (qyv02)

197 But I tell you what: When I have french and Italian down, I have whole new world of porn to sample.

American porn: uh uh uh
French porn: le uh, le uh, le uh
Italian porn: What is Silvio Berlusconi doing in here?

Posted by: pep at February 20, 2013 05:56 PM (6TB1Z)

198 Monarchs have always enjoyed "First Night" from the really hot babes of the Kingdom....OK, and some not so hot babes too.

Posted by: Paladin at February 20, 2013 05:56 PM (lP8dE)

199 doh, I meant "savoir" not "saver."

Okay I made it more stupid.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 05:56 PM (LCRYB)

200
here's the conjugation for "saver," to know, as you'd really say it

je say
tu say
il say
elle say
on say
ils say

nous savyah(nasilized n)
vous savez

______________

Right. That's why you will have an easier time speaking it.

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 05:56 PM (r2PLg)

201 I think a lot of us here will be demons.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 20, 2013 05:52 PM (C8mVl)


Oh, we're well into that stage already.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 20, 2013 05:56 PM (bxiXv)

202 Government already suffers from imperial overstretch. These clowns are unable to cope with the demands of running a (nominally) limited government and doing the few things they´re actually supposed to do. They amassed monstrous debt and still botched the basics like education and infrastructure.
Why beat around the bush? These clowns have either never heard of unintended consequences or they are outright nazis.

Posted by: El Gordo at February 20, 2013 05:56 PM (ekbWE)

203 Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 05:54 PM (tVTLU)

How about when the pederasts start feeling empowered and decide they'll "stick it" in your child?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 05:56 PM (qyv02)

204 Can I get to be one of the central planners? I have a few ideas for Kate Upton...

Posted by: t-bird at February 20, 2013 05:57 PM (FcR7P)

205 they really like the old plantation owners argument that people need a master.

fuck off slavers. for your own good if you can't think of another reason.

Posted by: No Feet Johnson at February 20, 2013 05:57 PM (KHo8t)

206 But French is Retarded Latin and as far as speaking, in three cases the spoken version of the conjuagated verb is precisely the same in all cases, and this is usually the case in a fourth as well. And then the nous (we) you just add ons ("oh (nazalized n)") and for vous (you formal, you all) you add "ez" (ay)

The present tense? That's it?

Oh, poor, poor Ace.

I have a theory: There is NO regular French verb.

Not one. Every single one breaks a rule in some tense or mood.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 05:57 PM (T0NGe)

207 The Now™ is faster than light.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 05:58 PM (qyv02)

208 The French in Paris were nicer to me than the Quebeckers--put the guys that were traveling with me said it was just because they wanted to -

Entre mes pantaloons.

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 05:58 PM (r2PLg)

209 Maybe we should ask Amb. Stevens what he thinks of 'elite' leadership and faceless nameless government decision-making abilities.

Oh thats right, he's dead, and nobody had anything to do with it.

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at February 20, 2013 05:58 PM (UU0OF)

210 These clowns have either never heard of unintended consequences or they are outright nazis.

I don't see why it's an either-or. Humans are perfectly capable of both at once.

Posted by: pep at February 20, 2013 05:58 PM (6TB1Z)

211 Ace, to help you along with studying French why don't you listen to French singers. Mireille Mathieu sounds great and enunciates beautifully. There's a 2 CD set on Amazon of her stuff.

Posted by: Decaf at February 20, 2013 05:58 PM (NmvvV)

212 Attendes!

Entre dans mes pantaloons.

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 05:59 PM (r2PLg)

213 The same people who still mockingly refer to Bush as "King George."

Posted by: Shoot Me at February 20, 2013 05:59 PM (qiXMt)

214 >>> That's why you will have an easier time speaking it.

well, without checking, I can guess/remember the spelling because these things fall into like four or five (or ten or twelve patterns).

je sais
tu sais
il/elle/on sait

nous savons
vous savez
ils saitient*

* This is the one where I have to guess.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 05:59 PM (LCRYB)

215 The funny thing about this kind of thinking is that it is espoused by those who also believe that there are no moral absolutes, only personal preferences and the will to power. So they both simultaneously tell us that no one can tell anyone else what is wrong or right while in the same breath telling us that they can make decisions about how we should live our livesbetter than we can.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 20, 2013 05:59 PM (EI3K0)

216
The part about the govt making some decisions for us to do the things we really want. Somehow I don't think she is talking about the govt providing me a maid.

But if she is, yannow, french, young and hot....n'est pas?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 20, 2013 06:00 PM (p/cQy)

217 191 Occam's Safety Razor,

The entire Judaic thesis on man's existence bespeaks to the necessity of freedom to allow Him to run his experiment and render His judgement.

They hate faith because I know I am to be free to fail as it is God's plan, and God even left a manual and some guidance counselors as a cheat sheet to win his prize....

I would not argue that religion is perfect, quite the contrary I am definitely more Thomas than Paul BUT secular humanism is no less a faith and renders human ego and trees et al as "God."

I trust God more than Gore.


Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 06:00 PM (LRFds)

218 >>>Ace, to help you along with studying French why don't you listen to French singers. Mireille Mathieu sounds great and enunciates beautifully.

I do a little. I'll look into her.

I don't want to be a total homo but I have listened to Edith Piaf.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 06:00 PM (LCRYB)

219 they really like the old plantation owners argument that people need a master.

It'd be nice if there were a group of people who were particularly sensitive to the issue of slavery and, as a result, would oppose anything that even smelled like enslavement.

Oh, well.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 06:01 PM (T0NGe)

220 "French is for fags."


----Socrates

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 20, 2013 06:01 PM (w+Dvf)

221 So we're learning French because . . . ?

the Quebecois are going to storm the border?

What?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 06:01 PM (qyv02)

222 When I have french and Italian down, I have whole new world of porn to sample.

I recently downloaded an American pron movie with German subtitles. It's pretty amazing how some words are virtually the same in both languages.

But then, I'm easily amazed.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 20, 2013 06:01 PM (feFL6)

223 I haven't read all the comments. I'd just like to remind everyone of the most American word in the English language.

No.

Posted by: Methos at February 20, 2013 06:01 PM (hO9ad)

224 201 Mero,

Barry's bud says ~25 Million of us have to die....

adjusted for population change Billy thinks ~38 million of us have to die.

Now we can do it slow with Ogabecare or if he needs to speed things up the Pol Pot method but they have plans.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 06:01 PM (LRFds)

225 I don't want to be a total homo but I have listened to Edith Piaf.


It's a cliche, but La Vie En Rose is one of the finest songs ever. If that makes me gay, then FABULOUS!

Posted by: pep at February 20, 2013 06:02 PM (6TB1Z)

226 "But I tell you what: When I have french and Italian down, I have whole new world of porn to sample." Lol. No translation needed for tanlines wicket.

Posted by: Bosk at February 20, 2013 06:02 PM (n2K+4)

227 194----
"That's where they pipe up with the bad, 'negative' rights that stop the Feds from doing everything under the sun, and start with the good, 'positive' rights in which the Feds must provide everything for everyone. "
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2013 05:54 PM (Ipj15)

Yeah, well, they've already sold a majority of Americans on the "positive rights" view.
Sad.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 20, 2013 06:02 PM (C8mVl)

228 I don't want to be a total homo but I have listened to Edith Piaf.

Love her rice.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 06:02 PM (T0NGe)

229 I'm at the point of just not giving a fuck anymore.

It seems to me anyway we're in a "cold" civil-war right now, the nation is so fucking divided between red and blue states that I just want to buy shit from the good Red States and boycott everything from the blue ones so their entire economies collapse.

Except "Justified," special exception for that.

Posted by: Cashin at February 20, 2013 06:02 PM (TYEu4)

230 on 'Sprial', the dude who plays 'Judge Roban' speaks the clearest French


Caroline Proust has nice ta-tas, but slurs everything

Posted by: Plato at February 20, 2013 06:03 PM (Dll6b)

231
Pantaloons is a word we should have adopted in its entirety.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 20, 2013 06:03 PM (p/cQy)

232 Goo goo ga joo.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 20, 2013 06:03 PM (+z4pE)

233 Polynikes, love that quote. Bitter Clinger, yes, obviously I meant consenting adults. Does that need to even be said?

Interesting question. Countries of the world have faced debt crises before. Every nation in the history of mankind has defaulted on its debt.

Every one of them.

But in this era of digital money printing and fiat currency, are we on a somewhat different path. And by this I mean, who says the party needs to ever stop, at least for the forseeable future. The Fed can keep monetizing the debt for trillions more. At zero percent interest rates that could go on for more than a decade.

This is something to think deeply on. Eventually we will lose reserve currency status, but how long can we run trillion plus deficits?? I would say that we can do so for at least ten more years. That's a lot of complacency to buy.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 06:03 PM (tVTLU)

234 I've been watching "World Without End" on Netflix. It's an adaptation of the Ken Follett novel dealing with everyday life in the 14th Century, or at least life viewed through a Jerry Springer prism. Anyway, there was a good line last night. The heroine is trying to get land so she and her serf husband can support themselves. She asks why the local sheriff is making that impossible. He replies along the lines of "you're peasants. Your reason to exist is to provide food and money to the lords and the clergy."

The difference is that the peasants had tradition and religion as bulwarks against the power of their overlords. In the brave new leftist world, both are systematically dismantled.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 20, 2013 06:03 PM (EI3K0)

235 If you're doing a lot of reading while viewing porn, you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 20, 2013 06:03 PM (w+Dvf)

236 Well if you want to learn spanish, get a job washing dishes.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2013 06:03 PM (e7AjL)

237 Love her rice.

Rice-a-Roni?

Posted by: pep at February 20, 2013 06:03 PM (6TB1Z)

238 >>>So we're learning French because . . . ?

Personal/professional interest. I'm writing a book and this is how I am justifying not writing it.

Whenever one doesn't want to write one suddenly finds a lot of "necessary research" that needs doing first.

Plus, videogame analogy: It's a pastime. No one questions killing time with videogames or tv; I'm just doing this. I figure I will come out of it at least with a semi-useful skill. Or maybe not so useful. but something.


Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 06:03 PM (LCRYB)

239 229 Cashin,

be a damn shame if we acted like the blacks and made CET Conservative Entertainment Television and had you now non America hating good drama, comedy, and sports coverage....?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 06:04 PM (LRFds)

240 I dont need to say what I'm thinking, so suffice it to say these pencil-necked little fags can try. I'm censoring myself for the greater good.

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Posted by: Ecclesiastes at February 20, 2013 06:04 PM (9/bcB)

242 Good french song ace, Francoise Hardy - Mon Ami le Rose
Well, *I* like it.

Posted by: fb at February 20, 2013 06:04 PM (JVEmw)

243 Praise and worship of God cannot exist without free will.

God made us to make our own decisions, our own failures, our own successes.

Without failure there is no way to measure success.

It's why Christ said "the poor will always be with you".

There will always be losers and winners.

Call it "The Balance" if you will.

The universe is divided in twain. (for the most part)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 06:04 PM (qyv02)

244 Fifty years ago there was a somewhat popular rock band named Soft Machine. They were Brits but they were very popular in France. When an incarnation need to be renamed, they chose to appease their French fans and named themselves Matching Mole, which is a pun in that it sounds like Soft Machine in French.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 20, 2013 06:04 PM (Hx5uv)

245 Leftism: It is better to die on your knees than live on your feet.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:04 PM (O8sZf)

246 >>>on 'Sprial', the dude who plays 'Judge Roban' speaks the clearest French

i tried watching that way too early, when I thought I would literally be able to "just pick it up" from just watching tv.

At some point I'll go back to that.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 06:04 PM (LCRYB)

247 238 Ace,

Ace take that trip to Montreal I was trying to sell you on.

Your resume may work there, and if shit goes to real shit you'd like being paid in canuckian Dollars.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 06:04 PM (LRFds)

248 je sais
tu sais
il/elle/on sait

nous savons
vous savez
ils saitient*

__________

Ils savent.

But actually that is a good guess because your mind went with the il singular format.

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 06:05 PM (r2PLg)

249 Jeanne Moreau speaks the clearest French of any actor / actress I ever heard / saw

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at February 20, 2013 06:05 PM (Dll6b)

250 245 MUMR,

"see comrade you could die on your face in a ditch like the evil one there..."

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 06:05 PM (LRFds)

251 Posted by: Ecclesiastes at February 20, 2013 06:04 PM (9/bcB)

Dans le barrell.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 20, 2013 06:05 PM (Hx5uv)

252 In the barrel you will find all of your answers, Ecclesiastes.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2013 06:05 PM (e7AjL)

253 shit just got biblical

Posted by: derit at February 20, 2013 06:05 PM (I88Jc)

254 I wonder if this idea has ever been tried before. I wonder... if you took a map of the world, and painted all the countries where this idea has been tried before, what that might look like.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:06 PM (O8sZf)

255 Solomon goes into the barrel. One would assume that the wisest man in Israel would have figured out not to paste from Word already...

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 20, 2013 06:06 PM (EI3K0)

256 Too bad I've been educated by the Government and spend all my free time watching Honey Poo Poo.


Oh well.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:06 PM (O8sZf)

257 >>>
It's a cliche, but La Vie En Rose is one of the finest songs ever. If that makes me gay, then FABULOUS!

it is pretty good. When I was going to listen to it I thought, "Is this where I am? Am I now just gay?"

But it is a really good song.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 06:06 PM (LCRYB)

258 **But I tell you what: When I have french and Italian down, I have whole new world of porn to sample.**

You know, pr0n on tape has advanced into a visual medium.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 06:06 PM (QxSug)

259 Personal/professional interest. I'm writing a book and this is how I am justifying not writing it.

Whenever one doesn't want to write one suddenly finds a lot of "necessary research" that needs doing first.

Plus, videogame analogy: It's a pastime. No one questions killing time with videogames or tv; I'm just doing this. I figure I will come out of it at least with a semi-useful skill. Or maybe not so useful. but something.

***

Why French? Just curious.

I would like to learn Italian because it's really the only region I would really love to visit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 20, 2013 06:06 PM (piMMO)

260 "The democrats are corrupt pussies."


---- Jesus

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 20, 2013 06:06 PM (w+Dvf)

261 Guy is texting his junk to some chunky gal he met at the bar last night and walks into a train. And he's dead.

Now, if decisions were being made for him, he would not be able to walk into a train and we'd still have that guy who texts his wiener to random fatties in our population. So, you know, lose/lose.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 20, 2013 06:06 PM (szREE)

262 Freedom never seemed all that Gay anyway. Better off without it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:07 PM (O8sZf)

263 Quebecker French ain't even close to French; okay, sorta close, but very different

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at February 20, 2013 06:07 PM (Dll6b)

264 Sorry about that.

Posted by: Ecclesiastes at February 20, 2013 06:07 PM (9/bcB)

265 ace: "I figure I will come out of it at least with a semi-useful skill. Or maybe not so useful. but something."

I see some Mandarin in your future.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 20, 2013 06:07 PM (eHIJJ)

266 >>>Ils savent.

ugh. it seems so obvious now.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 06:07 PM (LCRYB)

267 That in your mouth?

Let's just say we've decided it's for the best.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2013 06:07 PM (Ipj15)

268 It's time, It's really time.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 20, 2013 05:51 PM (l86i3)

Not yet. As someone else on herehas pointed out, the mask is slipping. They'll show themselves for who and what they truly are soon enough. They'll overreach in a Waco kind of way too big and loud to be shoved down the memory hole by the MSM. Then it'll be time.

Posted by: troyriser at February 20, 2013 06:07 PM (vtiE6)

269 From the North Pole to Cambodia, a glorious future for all of humanity!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:07 PM (O8sZf)

270 215---" The funny thing about this kind of thinking is that it is espoused by those who also believe that there are no moral absolutes, only personal preferences and the will to power. So they both simultaneously tell us that no one can tell anyone else what is wrong or right while in the same breath telling us that they can make decisions about how we should live our lives better than we can."
Posted by: Grey Fox at February 20, 2013 05:59 PM (EI3K0)
--------------------
This is why the comparisons to monarchy are so lame. Even in the early modern era, when Western monarchs were at their peak of power, they were heavily restrained by religion, tradition, customs, and manners. The Left is opposed to ALL restraints, which is why they relentlessly attack and undermine these things.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 20, 2013 06:07 PM (C8mVl)

271 Okay, can I get a little "crazy" for a minute?

I have a friend, who is, admittedly, crazy, and she insists that Obama is hypnotizing us.

And I do recall some websites from the 2008 election with a lot of material suggesting that he practices NLP (neuro-linguistic programming).

Here's a little video exploration of this idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2X9Xz5CEQs

I'm sorry if this is too crazy. I'm not invested in it at all. Just wondered if it was something worth bringing up at some point.

There's more, but for all I know it all goes back to Alex Jones. Just Google "Obama NLP" if you're interested, I guess.

Posted by: Kensington at February 20, 2013 06:07 PM (/AHDz)

272 >>>I see some Mandarin in your future.

Nah. Japanese if anything. Hitomi Tanaka. Google it.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 06:08 PM (LCRYB)

273 videogame analogy: It's a pastime.

***

I'm trying to teach myself Latin and eventually reached the same conclusion. I am interested in ancient history and would like to read Caesar in the original and it does help with vocabulary and grammar. But primarily it is just a hobby.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 20, 2013 06:08 PM (Hx5uv)

274 You might not be interested in Lenin, but Lenin is interested in you.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:08 PM (O8sZf)

275 263 Jerry jack,

correct it is really, really close to colonial French like some North Carolinian dialects are more English than current UK English.

RAND did a study in '67 that said the two cultures best equipped to withstand atomic war relatively intact would be Quebec and China.....

make of it what you will.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 06:09 PM (LRFds)

276
Here ya' go, Ace -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHGE6JPg8r4

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2013 06:09 PM (e7AjL)

277 "it is pretty good. When I was going to listen to it I thought, "Is this where I am? Am I now just gay?" As long as you're not listening to it with a dick in your mouth you probably just enjoy the music.

Posted by: Bosk at February 20, 2013 06:09 PM (n2K+4)

278 And in Newspeak, there's no word for No. It's been progressed away.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:09 PM (O8sZf)

279 Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 06:03 PM (tVTLU)

Who has the right to demarcate the age of "adult" or "child"?

See this is the type of argument used for this subject.

It's all subjective in their view.

Once you've broken the bond of law following from judgment of right and wrong, you've broken the whole system.

Erect any number of qualifiers and someone will allege that you have no right to make them and that those qualifiers infringe on their rights.

See my point?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 06:09 PM (qyv02)

280 >>>
Ace take that trip to Montreal I was trying to sell you on.


eh bien, peut-etre, ca dependant, il faut voir...

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 06:09 PM (LCRYB)

281 Is Jeff B becoming the new Jordan?

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 20, 2013 06:09 PM (+OTLF)

282
An Ewok wearing a beret.

Now that's some kinda fancy.

Posted by: Jaws at February 20, 2013 06:09 PM (4I3Uo)

283
>>Hitomi Tanaka. Google it.<<

Is that Japanese for 'Lemon Party'?

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2013 06:09 PM (e7AjL)

284 **This understates their ambition dramatically. At the end of the day all a monarch really wants is for his subjects to pay for his upkeep, not rebel against him, and take military duty when he decides he should go to war. And of course he'd like fancy gowns and jewels.

But beyond that, the king does not care all that much about interfering in the lives of his subjects. Treason and taxes are the extent of his real emotional investment in them.**

This is why greed is good. Let's say the King is king to be rich and powerful. Sure sure.

But the american liberal wants to be in charge because he's a fucking narcissist and everything exists to please him, and to protect his identity.

So, they go a bit overboard and micro manage the shit out of it all.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 06:10 PM (QxSug)

285 It's frankly amazing that the union has held together this long since the civil war. The two sides are completely incompatible in every way.

Posted by: Lauren at February 20, 2013 06:10 PM (wsGWu)

286 "Second, coercive measures must be effective rather than futile. Prohibition didn’t work, and officials shouldn’t adopt strategies that fail. Third, the benefits must exceed the costs. To know whether they do, would-be paternalists must assess both material and psychological benefits and costs (including not only the frustration experienced by those who lose the power to choose but also the losses experienced by those who are coerced into something bad for them). Fourth, the measure in question must be more effective than the reasonable alternatives. If an educational campaign would have the benefits of a prohibition without the costs, then Conly favors the educational campaign."

Well then, never mind.

Since both political parties have just declared the minimum number of rebels needed for a successful rebellion against federal authority - 11 million - we can just create a SOCIAL movement for rebellion against paternalism, thus, rendering enforcement as ineffective as, say, mass deportation of illegal aliens.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 20, 2013 06:11 PM (0Bs6G)

287 I know he doesn't exactly have a huge following here but Glen Beck was exactly right about Cass Sunstein. At the same time I remember so many "conservative" academics and economists who would come on and say, oh no Cass Sunstein is a good guy.

Posted by: Drew in MO at February 20, 2013 06:11 PM (cGlgB)

288 >I'm censoring myself for the greater good.


Posted by: ElKomandante at February 20, 2013 06:04 PM (X6upC)

you and I might be on the same page

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 20, 2013 06:11 PM (8sCoq)

289 263 Quebecker French ain't even close to French; okay, sorta close, but very different
Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at February 20, 2013 06:07 PM (Dll6b)

_______________

French have a whole hierarchy.

I am low on the totem pole--sort of a "colonist".

My own mother calls me that--there.

Anyways--the only guys that ever got it where African American cadets at USAFA.

You are putting on airs if you learn--"book French" and dialects or sort of enforced to keep you in for place.

In France you at least lose one aspect of that.

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 06:11 PM (r2PLg)

290 Well if you want to learn spanish, get a job washing dishes.
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2013 06:03 PM (e7AjL)

Or lawn maintenance.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 06:11 PM (qyv02)

291 And I do recall some websites from the 2008 election with a lot of material suggesting that he practices NLP (neuro-linguistic programming).

Posted by: Kensington at February 20, 2013 06:07 PM (/AHDz)


That's pretty much "public speaking" these days, though people do it to different extents and under different names.

It is interesting that I never have listened to or watched Obama, always read what he said, and I never understood the "great speaker" thing, he's a stilted, dumb, boring speaker, taken as read.

There are some odd cadences and repetitions that are probably deliberate, maybe NLP or the dumbed-down version of it they teach as "communication" in community colleges.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 20, 2013 06:12 PM (bxiXv)

292 This is why the comparisons to monarchy are so lame. Even in the early modern era, when Western monarchs were at their peak of power, they were heavily restrained by religion, tradition, customs, and manners. The Left is opposed to ALL restraints, which is why they relentlessly attack and undermine these things.

I am gladI am not the only person here who realizes that.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 20, 2013 06:12 PM (EI3K0)

293 If you're doing a lot of reading while viewing porn, you're doing it wrong.

As much as I'm enjoying my less then strenuous self study in German I've discovered that the actresses are very polite and tend to not talk when their mouths are full.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 20, 2013 06:12 PM (feFL6)

294 >>>Is that Japanese for 'Lemon Party'?

No it is not, my friend.

No it is not.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 06:12 PM (LCRYB)

295 Bitter Clinger:

Well let me throw one right back at you. Would you deny the Amish the right to marry a 13 year old girl off, as is their custom for hundreds of years?

There is God's law and there is man's law. Who are you to interfere with the Amish religious custom. Frankly there's a helluva lot more historical/cultural support for polygamy and early-age marriages, than for gay marriage (having no history whatsoever).

So these are tough questions. Actually, throwing it out there to everyone, what do you think?

Should the Amish be able to marry off their very young children? As per their hundreds of years old religious custom??

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 06:12 PM (tVTLU)

296 271
Okay, can I get a little "crazy" for a minute?

I have a friend, who is, admittedly, crazy, and she insists that Obama is hypnotizing us.

And
I do recall some websites from the 2008 election with a lot of material
suggesting that he practices NLP (neuro-linguistic programming).

Here's a little video exploration of this idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2X9Xz5CEQs

I'm sorry if this is too crazy. I'm not invested in it at all. Just wondered if it was something worth bringing up at some point.

There's more, but for all I know it all goes back to Alex Jones. Just Google "Obama NLP" if you're interested, I guess.


Posted by: Kensington at February 20, 2013 06:07 PM (/AHDz)

Or google "Liberal Tits" and you will see a picture of a rather chubby lesbian with a crewcut a 5 o'clock shadow and big tits that she has popped out to massage from under a baseball jersey in a clearly non staged look i have a webcam moment.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 20, 2013 06:13 PM (+OTLF)

297 **I never understood the "great speaker" thing, he's a stilted, dumb, boring speaker, taken as read. **

A. Jug Eared Emperor is lazy and boring.

b. His brain can only read a few words at a time while speaking, leading. to the. halting cadences. err aahhh of how. I speak.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 06:13 PM (QxSug)

298 "book French" and dialects are sort of enforced to keep you in *your* place.




Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 06:13 PM (r2PLg)

299 there's no one single word for "no" in Irish. If asked a question, you need to re-phrase it into the negative .


Are you crazy? ----------- I am not crazy.

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at February 20, 2013 06:14 PM (Dll6b)

300 Small trivia: The song "Beyond the Sea" was originally french but if you look it up, the lyrics, they're kind of stupid. The lyrics are just about the sea, how pretty it is.

I mean, that's all it is. Look at these white cliffs and these pretty birds, and this silver sea.

The English lyrics really made it a hell of a lot more interesting.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 06:14 PM (LCRYB)

301 All hail the Hypnotoad.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2013 06:14 PM (e7AjL)

302

OT, but I just can't get enough of Rubio water bumping with Netanyahu. LOL


h/t pic of the day at weasel zippers

Posted by: beach gathering at February 20, 2013 06:14 PM (LpQbZ)

303 Posted by: Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 06:12 PM (tVTLU)



I hope you choke on a cock.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:14 PM (O8sZf)

304 Althouse also has a link to an article at the Daily Beast, talking about our increasingly childless society and its evolution from a "pro-natal bias." From the sound of it, my generation is more than happy to fall right into the arms of Big Government and never leave; Sunstein's laying out a roadmap, not a wishlist, of where the hipster millenials will help take the country.

Does no one on the left realize they are setting us right in the middle of an Orwellian novel? I guess as long as they get to play the role of Big Brother, it's fine and dandy. Someone please help me got off this crazy train.

Posted by: LizLem at February 20, 2013 06:15 PM (8wqqE)

305 The left don't want to be monarchs they want to be gods.

Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2013 06:15 PM (9XBK2)

306 The left won't ever come out and say it except on very rare occasions but they value a form of slavery as the best way to push equality while still allowing them to be our egalitarian overlords who take the burden upon themselves to be more equal.

Posted by: Drew in MO at February 20, 2013 06:15 PM (cGlgB)

307 Sunstein's unspoken premise, and that behind all "progressivism", is:

"We will nudge you and nudge you, until you fall to your knees and OBEY."

Posted by: wholelottasplainin' at February 20, 2013 06:15 PM (o6qwg)

308 Is this book the sequel to Hillarious "suspend disblief" Clinton's "it takes a village"?

Posted by: jb at February 20, 2013 06:15 PM (I5svt)

309 Ce n'est pas la colline à mourir dessus.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 20, 2013 06:15 PM (Hx5uv)

310 Wolverines!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 20, 2013 06:15 PM (kuQgq)

311 Is that Japanese for 'Lemon Party'?

It translates as "Two cantalope duct-taped to a baseball bat."

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 20, 2013 06:16 PM (EI3K0)

312 Not yet. As someone else on herehas pointed out, the mask is slipping.
They'll show themselves for who and what they truly are soon enough.
They'll overreach in a Waco kind of way too big and loud to be shoved
down the memory hole by the MSM. Then it'll be time.


You might want to consider the implications of fiscal calamity (read any DOOM thread) for the central goevernment's capacity to project its authority claims. Also the consequence of the insistance of filling our shrinking military with women and gays for fairness.

When judging the time, I mean.

Hypothetically (I state for ace's sake).

Posted by: Methos at February 20, 2013 06:16 PM (hO9ad)

313 >>Should the Amish be able to marry off their very young children? As per their hundreds of years old religious custom??



Is that a trick question

Posted by: Roman Polanski at February 20, 2013 06:16 PM (w+Dvf)

314 "299 there's no one single word for "no" in Irish. If asked a question, you need to re-phrase it into the negative .


Are you crazy? ----------- I am not crazy.

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at February 20, 2013 06:14 PM (Dll6b) "

Latin, too. But it's short.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:16 PM (O8sZf)

315
Hey Cass,

Fuck you.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 20, 2013 06:17 PM (+z4pE)

316 306
The left won't ever come out and say it except on very rare occasions
but they value a form of slavery as the best way to push equality while
still allowing them to be our egalitarian overlords who take the burden
upon themselves to be more equal.


Posted by: Drew in MO at February 20, 2013 06:15 PM (cGlgB)
poverty is slavery...and keeping people in poverty keeps them dependent on you.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 20, 2013 06:17 PM (+OTLF)

317 299 there's no one single word for "no" in Irish.

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at February 20, 2013 06:14 PM (Dll6b)


(reconsiders trip to Ireland)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 20, 2013 06:17 PM (bxiXv)

318 Prohibition didn’t work, and officials shouldn’t adopt strategies that fail.

I really hate this statement.

Prohibition DID work. Alcoholism went way down as did other social pathologies associated with it.

What happened is that there were all manner of far worse unintended consequences.

It is very important because the liberals can't even conceive of the idea that there are unintended consequences and genuinely expect you to itemize all the possible unintended consequences in order to dissuade them.

The lesson isn't that some hair-brained idea "didn't work", of COURSE prohibition would cut down on drinking. The lesson is that every choice has consequences, many of them unintended.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 06:18 PM (T0NGe)

319 **299 there's no one single word for "no" in Irish. **

suyre, matey, we just bash you in ye skull with a shillelagh

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 06:18 PM (QxSug)

320 Should the Amish be able to marry off their very young children? As per their hundreds of years old religious custom??

Having lived in the DMZ between the Amish and the English, I'll tell you that the Amish girl's best chance for wedlock wanes quickly starting at age 13. The lady who sells me cheese has mutton chops that would've made Robert Plant shave before the Albert Hall concert.

-I've filed my self-denouncement motion in triplicate.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 20, 2013 06:18 PM (szREE)

321 We all assume that most people want freedom to choose their own path, their own identity, success, etc...
It seems to me that an alarmingly high portion of our population either would not understand, not concern themselves, or would agree with this philosophy of control.
Freedom seems to have become more about being able to post to facebook what you want, or to be "free" from the responsibilities of running your own life.
It scares the hell out of me that there are people out there who want to dictate my life, just as it would be scary to have the power to dictate over someone else's life... what is absolutely mortifying is there are more than enough people out there willing to participate in either side of the equation.

Posted by: RustyNCA at February 20, 2013 06:18 PM (8J5Ck)

322 "We will nudge you and nudge you, until you fall to your knees and OBEY."

You say that like OBEY is a bad thing.

Posted by: Shepherd Fairey at February 20, 2013 06:18 PM (8wqqE)

323 Sunstein wrote the book or he reviewed it?

Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2013 06:18 PM (9XBK2)

324 And with this I will punch the next person that says "if it helps just one person it will all be worth it." And then tell them the same thing afterwards.

Posted by: Dave S. at February 20, 2013 06:18 PM (xDlyw)

325 Men aren't the only ones who have to know their limitations.

http://tinyurl.com/anjae78

Posted by: pep at February 20, 2013 06:19 PM (6TB1Z)

326 "305 The left don't want to be monarchs they want to be gods.

Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2013 06:15 PM (9XBK2) "

"The Demise of God" has led to tens of millions of little gods who know everything about everything (except how to mind their own business and fuck off).

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:19 PM (O8sZf)

327 The logical inconsistency here is astounding. In what world are these wonderful things that a government made up of the very human beings that can't be trusted to make decisions for themselves going to be better at making decisions for the rest of us. It gets worse when you consider just how good/bad at decisions these government beings are in reality. Well, let's let one of the ancients take it from here...

The punishment which the wise suffer who refuse to take part in the government, is to live under the government of worse men.

-Plato


One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.

-Plato


Posted by: Patriot at February 20, 2013 06:19 PM (cHMPT)

328
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose...

gain, decide, etc.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 20, 2013 06:20 PM (LVtr+)

329 Funny thing about leftist fascists, they ALL think they will be immune from the rules they impose on the rest of us.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 20, 2013 06:21 PM (uhftQ)

330 Don't for a minute think that the John McCains and, Lindsey Grahams and Mitch McConnels aren't good with these ideas.

Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at February 20, 2013 06:21 PM (+I8Mq)

331 "306 The left won't ever come out and say it except on very rare occasions but they value a form of slavery as the best way to push equality while still allowing them to be our egalitarian overlords who take the burden upon themselves to be more equal.

Posted by: Drew in MO at February 20, 2013 06:15 PM (cGlgB) "

Again, the Soviet Union was a real thing, and it's been completely airbrushed out of history. Completely uncanny.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:21 PM (O8sZf)

332 Or google "Liberal Tits" and you will see a picture of a rather chubby
lesbian with a crewcut a 5 o'clock shadow and big tits that she has
popped out to massage from under a baseball jersey in a clearly non
staged look i have a webcam moment.


Hey, that was our secret!

Posted by: Hellen Thomas at February 20, 2013 06:21 PM (hO9ad)

333 "Hey, that boy looks good enough to sodomize."


---Plato

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 20, 2013 06:21 PM (w+Dvf)

334 As per their hundreds of years old religious custom?

I admire the religious/sexual customs of the Shakers. Marriage with no sex, no procreation. It's like the Rodney Dangerfield's of religions.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 20, 2013 06:21 PM (feFL6)

335 The left has shown it's success rate in destroying the black family. Fatherless homes. High unemployment. High murder rates. Piss poor schools. No way out.

Yeah, sign me up for that.

Posted by: smileynh at February 20, 2013 06:22 PM (hlZx/)

336
All I know is if it comes to it, I am going to try to be the parent in the collective parenting model.

And that little brat Cass, that fucker is gonna eat his broccoli.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 20, 2013 06:22 PM (p/cQy)

337 Hey Seattle! Your government has more ideas!

Gas tax, bike fee fuel House Dems’ transportation plan

House Democrats propose a $10 billion transportation package that would gradually raise the gasoline tax to 47.5 cents a gallon within five years.

There’s even a $25 sales fee on bicycles worth $500 or more that raises a total $1 million over 10 years, included for largely symbolic reasons

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 20, 2013 06:22 PM (8sCoq)

338



This is good

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/02/calpers-divests-gun-manufacturers-shoots-retirees-in-feet/

Posted by: beach gathering at February 20, 2013 06:22 PM (LpQbZ)

339 "309 Ce n'est pas la colline à mourir dessus.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 20, 2013 06:15 PM (Hx5uv)"

C'est la colline.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:22 PM (O8sZf)

340 277
"it is pretty good. When I was going to listen to it I thought, "Is this
where I am? Am I now just gay?" As long as you're not listening to it
with a dick in your mouth you probably just enjoy the music.
----
That would be so gay even gays would gay bash someone for that.

Posted by: fb at February 20, 2013 06:22 PM (JVEmw)

341 Is there something weird today--like a full moon?

The threads and comments today are freaking me out.

I actually try to read everyone.

It's a trip.

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 06:22 PM (r2PLg)

342 Dr. Sunstein,

We wish to investigate your theories of optimal human happiness together with you. Please come down to the lab so that you may be fitted for a straight-jacket and ball gag.

Oh, and if you own them, feel free to bring your own cock-ring and butt plug.

Sincerely,
J. Dirigiste LeGree
Your Betters, Inc.
"The institute for the betterment of all Mankind"©.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2013 06:22 PM (Ipj15)

343 And then tell them the same thing afterwards.


Posted by: Dave S. at February 20, 2013 06:18 PM

Cut, Jib. Newsletter?

Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at February 20, 2013 06:22 PM (+I8Mq)

344 Sunstein reviewed the book. It was written by some woman named conly.

(Le livre a ecrite par une femme nomee Conly.)

>>>It seems to me that an alarmingly high portion of our population either would not understand, not concern themselves, or would agree with this philosophy of control.

I think what people really like is controlling others, so what I think gives them Fascism Boners is not being controlled themselves, but seeing other people controlled.

The thing is, the class that would impose this on us is imposing their OWN Preferences, thus this is zero-cost to them. They don't mind that Big Gulps are illegal because they didn't drink Big Gulps.

Now, try to screw with their vente sized frappaccino and they squeal... but of course that is excepted!

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 06:22 PM (LCRYB)

345 **320 Should the Amish be able to marry off their very young children? As per their hundreds of years old religious custom?? **

well, no. unless it's a ghey thing, in which case, we can't have the government interfere.

Of course they can marry off their goddamnded kids unless the basic state marriage laws define kids under 13 as marriage inelgigble.

Or what? do you hate marriage equality? What if the 13 year olds really love each other and there's no civil institution that would respect their love and that they suffer from discrimination because of their love and age being incompatible with your views.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 06:22 PM (QxSug)

346 At times like this I actually think the League of Shadows in the Batman universe was on to something.

Let it burn

Posted by: Mr. Pink at February 20, 2013 06:22 PM (++kZl)

347 TheBlaze TV just had four sheriffs on who have taken a stand against gun restrictions as well as John Lott Jr., author and gun-stats expert. Lott said that Colorado is Ground Zero for gun restrictions and that Obama has gotten seven legislators to change their votes to go anti-gun (in return for Zero campaigning for their re-elections). Lott said the badministrationfiguresif they can get Colorado to give it up, the rest will follow suit. He also saidchances are good and in the anti-gunners favor.

We always talk about having a charismatic leader. There were four sheriffs on that show who knew the Constitution inside and out. The Wisconsin sheriff who warned his constituents to protect themselves because of police cutbacks was outstanding. He's also black. Just sayin.'

Posted by: RushBabe at February 20, 2013 06:23 PM (tQHzJ)

348 Naine idealism-from "After the future blog"

Naive idealism, as I speak of it here, is a condition of profound alienation. It is an anti-human form of angelism that hates the world as it is and which cannot tolerate the presence of evil in it. Evil for naive idealists is a force that must be purged from the world, and they will do whatever it takes to get the job done. Inquisitions, witch trials, the French Terror, Stalin's and Mao's purges all derive from the kind of naive idealism of which I speak here. The worst crimes are perpetrated in the name of the highest ideals. Religious fanaticism of the Muslim or Christian type is all in the family with the fanaticism of the Hitler youth or the red guard in China during its cultural revolution in the sixties. They might have different ideas about what the world would look like if it were cleansed of evil, but they are united in their obsession to cleanse it. This is not a religious phenomenon; it is a psychological pathology that can garb itself in religion, but also in secular ideologies like Marxism and fascism.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2013 06:23 PM (PxYrx)

349 >?
Funny thing about leftist fascists, they ALL think they will be immune from the rules they impose on the rest of us.


Yeah, Robespierre thought the same thing, right up to the part where he was lead to the guillotine

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 20, 2013 06:23 PM (8sCoq)

350 >>>ce n'est pas la colline à mourir dessus.

Mais non, c'est la colline a mourir dessus exactement!

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 06:24 PM (LCRYB)

351 Sunstein wrote the book or he reviewed it?

Posted by: steevy


He wrote the review. He wrote a previous book, Nudge, with the same ideas and premises.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2013 06:24 PM (Ipj15)

352 I was at a party the other night, where the host and most of the guests are children and grandchildren of Latvians who fled the commies after WWII.

Guess who mostly think highly of Barack?

Face it: there's a "don't learn from the past" gene in people that never gets weeded out by evolution, kinda like the gene for myopia.

But I doubt the New Totalitarians would want to nudge people into recognizing that.


Posted by: wholelottasplainin' at February 20, 2013 06:24 PM (o6qwg)

353 Prescient11 at February 20, 2013 06:12 PM (tVTLU)

Excuse me? you were the one espousing the consenting adults bit.

I said they keep changing the goal posts and one of them might be the age of consent. Now you're arguing how can I force my will on the Amish?

I don't see the connection but I'll respond anyway.

The public at large decides through their representatives that their should be a demarcation between being able to make certain life altering decisions or not.

The public at large will make it's displeasure known and the rules will change or not. However in the case of certain groups, they have refused to accept the majority's opinion/desires and continue to undermine the very foundation of all law which is the consent of the governed and majority rule. In certain cases, this has been overturned but only after strict application of interpretation of constitutional precedent and amendments.

It may come to pass that if enough of those in government decide that the laws need to be changed, then it will. It won't have a thing to do with the majority or the majority will have been coerced into believing that the change is a positive thing.

Many happen to believe that it's not and are vilified and slandered because of that opinion. I said to you that claiming it's okay if it's consenting adults won't be enough to stop those who want to expand the bounds of the legality of their perversion by asking what you'd think if they did.

it was meant to show you that my position doesn't have any more or less legitimacy than yours and will be disregarded by those who have the loudest voice and the biggest wallet.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 06:24 PM (qyv02)

354 The toad, Cass Sunstein, called us "Homer Simpson." He has a scrunt of a wife, Samamtha Powers, who called for the US to invade Israel. They are really the bottom of the barrel teaching rich kids this crap for big money.

Posted by: Laquisha (vote 15 x for Barrack Obama) Johnson at February 20, 2013 06:24 PM (+kvQd)

355 **They don't mind that Big Gulps are illegal because they didn't drink Big Gulps. **

What did Mark Steyn say?

The liberals heard the the Mooslems say we love death more than you love coke and the liberals are like, you're right we hate cokes.

Anyway, yeah, narcissists. It's ok that they're doing it because their identity is invested in it. Since an act is something they don't identify in, they have no value in it, you home schooling, wing nut gut hoarders.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 06:25 PM (QxSug)

356 gun hoarders.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 06:25 PM (QxSug)

357 OT but Mittens better have a tomato shield ready when he speaks

Posted by: JDP at February 20, 2013 06:25 PM (60GaT)

358 Funny thing about leftist fascists, they ALL think they will be immune from the rules they impose on the rest of us.


Yep.

Posted by: Eric Holder at February 20, 2013 06:25 PM (2rucj)

359 >At times like this I actually think the League of Shadows in the Batman universe was on to something.


we are all Ra's al Ghul

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 20, 2013 06:25 PM (8sCoq)

360 And Dennis Prager's intelligent take on it:

Many liberals simply don't regard cons as having a different viewpoint. They regard them as simply EVIL:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243544/why-left-hates-conservatives-dennis-prager

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2013 06:26 PM (PxYrx)

361 and remember, Tim Tebow's the one who has to apologize for his views and who he keeps company with. Cass and Powers, and all their ilk won't have to apologize for their rampant hatred of any freedom not associated with their personal desires and customs.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 06:27 PM (QxSug)

362 A movie that's funny in French is--

Les Visiteurs it kind of gets into the archaic French.

Although I realize next to Ace's finicky tastes in movies and comedies ---

Je suis une guidoune.

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 06:27 PM (r2PLg)

363 There is God's law and there is man's law. Who are you to interfere with the Amish religious custom. Frankly there's a helluva lot more historical/cultural support for polygamy and early-age marriages, than for gay marriage (having no history whatsoever).

Despite my nick, I'm not an expert on the Amish, but I don't think your premise here is correct. The presence of rumspringa contradicts the idea that there are genuine child-brides. There might be some sort of betrothal arrangement, but the 13 yo are not consummating anything.

Marriage is for women. Because they tend to get knocked up. "Spousal benefits" are for women. Because they tend to get knocked up.

When women are knocked up, they can't do work like plowing the field or lifting heavy pieces of wood. They even have trouble doing work like bookkeeping through the whole thing.

Then they have this tendency to want to be with their children when they could otherwise be working.

This makes it very difficult for them to earn a living.

I do know that, technically, spousal benefits can be passed from a woman to a man, but if that were common, then there would be no need for spousal benefits at all.

Because we, as a species, reproduce sexually, not by spores or budding.

Also, polygamy tends to enslave women and is associated with all sorts of negative consequences including, but not limited to, incest.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 06:27 PM (T0NGe)

364 Walter Duranty never apologized. Ted Kennedy wouldn't even understand why he'd have to apologize for offering to help the USSR undermine Reagan. You, plebes, will grovel.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 06:28 PM (QxSug)

365
So....uhm. This Cass Sunscreen is for real? This isn't a joke? He wants to impose the collective 'wisdom' of a bunch of retards that can't keep their dicks out of underage prostitutes to decide what's important for me?
Jeebers....the mask hasn't just slipped, it fell on the floor.

Also....does anyone know if Idiocracy is available to view online? Not for entertainment of course...I'd just like to review what my life is going to be like under the wise leadership of men who post pictures of their junk on twitter.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at February 20, 2013 06:28 PM (eyJh9)

366

329
Funny thing about leftist fascists, they ALL think they will be immune from the rules they impose on the rest of us.

Advocates of central planning visualize themselves as the planners.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 20, 2013 06:28 PM (iNcoE)

367 If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever.

Posted by: O'Brien at February 20, 2013 06:28 PM (cGlgB)

368 305---" The left don't want to be monarchs they want to be gods."
Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2013 06:15 PM (9XBK2)

Yes.
And they do NOT want the "separation of Church and State." They want to absorb the Church into the State. They want to end the traditional Western tension between the two by adopting a religion OF the State.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 20, 2013 06:28 PM (C8mVl)

369 Off to the gas chamber to those who can't agree on what is "in our best interests"? Who are these pillars of society that are going to determine that for us? If those people come from our midst wouldn't that also mean they are inherently unable to determine what is "best"?

Going back to the homosexual thing for a moment. You can make a pretty clear empirical case that being a gay male has numerous disadvantages. Should we "nudge" them away from that lifestyle? The left promotes all kind of policies that have been harmful to individuals and society as a whole for decades. Do they ever take stock and work to change direction? No, never. They would continue to nudge us all in the direction THEY see fit.


Posted by: Ken Royall at February 20, 2013 06:29 PM (x0g8a)

370 This is straight out of Rousseau.
But don't you dare refer to them as socialists.

Posted by: Dark Ages at February 20, 2013 06:29 PM (V97CL)

371 "350 >>>ce n'est pas la colline à mourir dessus.

Mais non, c'est la colline a mourir dessus exactement!

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 06:24 PM (LCRYB)"

Beat you to it. :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:30 PM (O8sZf)

372 Off to google--

rumspringa.

Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 06:30 PM (r2PLg)

373

366

If the communist strongmen have taught us any thing its that the idealists are the first ones you kill after you take control because they are the most likely to be disappointed and turn against you.

Posted by: Drew in MO at February 20, 2013 06:30 PM (cGlgB)

374 Don't flame me, but considering the fact that this all started around 100 years ago, or even before, it's kinda liberating to think that we may finally have the death battle on the radar screen which will settle the size of government question.

I didn't say it would be easy, but we haven't had America for some time. I am anxious to settle this.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 20, 2013 06:31 PM (zpqa2)

375 Bingo, Margarita-For the leftists god IS the state-the state is the provider f all good things and anyone who questions the state is a heretic who must be expunged in whatever ways are neccessary

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2013 06:31 PM (PxYrx)

376 This is the scariest fucking thing since "1984".

Posted by: crosspatch at February 20, 2013 06:31 PM (YRCZD)

377 Also....does anyone know if Idiocracy is available to view online? Not for entertainment of course.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket


Rental on Amazon streaming, Apple, or Vudu. $3.

Here's a good way to check for streaming options for movies.

CanIStream.it

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2013 06:32 PM (Ipj15)

378
372 Off to google-- rumspringa.
Posted by: tasker at February 20, 2013 06:30 PM (r2PLg)


Amish for running wild or whatever. When the kids come of age they get to go out into the world and do whatever they want to help them decide if they want to remain in the Amish community or leave the church and community.

Posted by: buzzion at February 20, 2013 06:32 PM (GULKT)

379 Collective Paternalism, to me as a Leninist, is nothing more than top down Stalinism. Instilling a bureaucratic caste to do the buying and selling is not liberation.

Posted by: Palooka at February 20, 2013 06:32 PM (oN+9z)

380 Kramer flirts with communism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxuBhemD3nk

Posted by: steevy at February 20, 2013 06:32 PM (9XBK2)

381 Obama has gotten seven legislators to change their votes to go anti-gun (in return for Zero campaigning for their re-elections)

Are they stupid?

(a) Obama never follows through on his promises if he doesn't need you anymore.

(b) Obama is the kiss of death. If you need him to campaign for you, you will lose if he campaigns for you.

I'm hoping the spate of D legislators who say, "You know how to rape, don't you? Just put your lips on this whistle and blow." have slowed the momentum in CO a bit.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 06:33 PM (T0NGe)

382 This is why I have decided to espouse absolutism on a few things (ie, no gun control whatsoever), the leftists will never apologize nor give an inch, it is constant pressure. Well fuck that, I am moving the goal posts way back and staying there. You come to me.

No negotiation on how many bullets in a magazine at all. The answer is infinity, thats how many. Etc etc.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 20, 2013 06:33 PM (p/cQy)

383 I wonder if Ace is looking for a side job sub-titing American porn for French audiences? What a job, thirty seconds of dialog followed by seven minutes of getting busy, thirty seconds of dialog followed by seven minutes of getting busy, thirty seconds of dialog followed by seven minutes of getting busy, thirty seconds of dialog followed by seven minutes of getting busy, thirty seconds of dialog followed by seven minutes of getting busy, followed by credits.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 20, 2013 06:33 PM (feFL6)

384 "364 Walter Duranty never apologized. Ted Kennedy wouldn't even understand why he'd have to apologize for offering to help the USSR undermine Reagan. You, plebes, will grovel.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 06:28 PM (QxSug)"

This.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:34 PM (O8sZf)

385 :::280 >>>
Ace take that trip to Montreal I was trying to sell you on.


eh bien, peut-etre, ca dependant, il faut voir...
Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 06:09 PM (LCRYB)::::

Lemme know if you go. There's a titty bar across the street from our Montreal office. I can expense a couple of lap dances.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 20, 2013 06:34 PM (JDIKC)

386 And they do NOT want the "separation of Church and
State." They want to absorb the Church into the State. They want to
end the traditional Western tension between the two by adopting a
religion OF the State.





Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 20, 2013 06:28 PM (C8mVl)
-----------
Precisely. Because an independent Church indicates freedom of conscience is present. Freedom of conscience means the possibility that men and women will come to conclusions that contradict the will of the State. That is why in any totalitarian society, the Church is nullified by being absorbed by the State, and any Free Church movement is persecuted to the point of death.
Freedom of religion cannot coexist with tyranny. The founders knew this, and that is why they enshrined it as our first-most liberty. Totalitarianism cannot flourish where people are free to follow their conscience.

Posted by: mama winger at February 20, 2013 06:34 PM (P6QsQ)

387 366

329
Funny thing about leftist fascists, they ALL think they will be immune from the rules they impose on the rest of us.

Advocates of central planning visualize themselves as the planners.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 20, 2013 06:28 PM (iNcoE)

---

They love freedom for themselves, they just don't trust their neighbors with it. They also don't trust when their opponents gain a little power, and work off precedents they set either, but they don't think 2 moves ahead about that. And, hell, they probably shouldn't because they are kicking our ass.

Posted by: Dave S. at February 20, 2013 06:34 PM (PcFsV)

388 How does one say " Like crap through a goose" in French?

Posted by: Mandrill Redass at February 20, 2013 06:34 PM (eEeRy)

389 This Cass Sunscreen is for real? This isn't a joke? He wants to impose the collective 'wisdom' of a bunch of retards that can't keep their dicks out of underage prostitutes to decide what's important for me?

Cass just left the WH a couple months ago. I was hoping it was because they all thought Barky was going to lose in November. He's back in academe. He's one scary dude. When Zero was putting his staff together for the first term, Samantha Powers was quoted on "central planning/social engineering" being Cass's "dream job."

Posted by: RushBabe at February 20, 2013 06:34 PM (tQHzJ)

390
#367

Not sure if this is a real interview, but great anyway:

http://tinyurl.com/bgjbzoo

Posted by: jj at February 20, 2013 06:35 PM (gWO5X)

391 Il est possible que le ciel soit blu

I'm sure that's rusty. It was one of the answers I gave on my senior year French final. See, at the beginning of my freshman year, the teacher had scolded us not to answer in simple sentences like "The sky is blue." So I maid a point of finding a place for it in every exam during high school.

Posted by: Methos at February 20, 2013 06:35 PM (hO9ad)

392
I wonder if Ace is looking for a side job sub-titing American porn for French audiences?

What's French for, "You're not gonna pay for this pizza, are you, lady?"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 20, 2013 06:35 PM (+z4pE)

393 Funny thing about leftist fascists, they ALL think they will be immune from the rules they impose on the rest of us.

Back when I was neophyte and budding liberal (FSA didn't just start with Obama), I was jerked to a screeching halt on my headlong plummet into Liberal Quakery and all things socialist when I had conversations with a union janitor.

I came to realize that he was espousing the things the espoused for the one true reason that he expected to be one of the ones in charge of this "NEW" vision of America.

That's when I became a libertarian with principles/opinions. (and have progressed to crusty old curmurgeonly conservative. BTW: get off my lawn ye scallawags and wastrels)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 06:35 PM (qyv02)

394 I wonder if Ace is looking for a side job sub-titing American porn for French audiences?

Hell, I'D like a job sub titing American porn.

What's that mean?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 06:37 PM (qyv02)

395


Ace,
Have you seen the movie, 'A Good Year'? ....with Russell Crowe and Marion Cotillard?
I think you would enjoy it.

Been bopping in and out of here today, getting things done offline...
And you're right, about us being 'Doomed' if we keep fighting each other.
It's what guys like Cass Sunstein want us to do.

We have to find a way for us conservatives to reach a truce...or these fuckers are going to succeed in enslaving us.

Posted by: wheatie at February 20, 2013 06:37 PM (DZbQ0)

396
EVEN if you allow the State to make your decisions for your own good - why would ANYBODY think the State would be good at it?

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at February 20, 2013 06:37 PM (mJkp9)

397 Must be a new thread as everyone has stampeding over to it and left the field barren.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 20, 2013 06:37 PM (qyv02)

398
Who gave Conly permission to write her book?

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at February 20, 2013 06:38 PM (mJkp9)

399 When Zero was putting his staff together for the first term, Samantha Powers was quoted on "central planning/social engineering" being Cass's "dream job."

I'll bet Cass Sunstein couldn't even run an academic department.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 06:38 PM (T0NGe)

400 "379 Collective Paternalism, to me as a Leninist, is nothing more than top down Stalinism. Instilling a bureaucratic caste to do the buying and selling is not liberation.

Posted by: Palooka at February 20, 2013 06:32 PM (oN+9z) "

Stalin was, economically-speaking, much more Leftist than Lenin. That's true.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 20, 2013 06:39 PM (O8sZf)

401 What scares me is not the liberal fascists who fancy themselves the central planners but the (far larger) number who think there is a brilliant and incorruptible central planner out there who can decide how to run the world better than they can.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 06:39 PM (T0NGe)

402 they are immune. The MSM will let them spout fascism and ghey-mandates until the cows come home but will lop Ted Cruz's head off if they could.

scary times.

This doesn't mean we need to go ghey or that we've lost the argument. It just means that the medium is fucking rigged.

And if I understand this properly, it was even worse in 1980-1988 yet we were able to enter the public discussion about this stuff.

Wedges, bitches.

The thing is, our models work. We've won the battles of ideas. Europe tried it too, it failed there, it will fail here. We know this stuff. But instead, we got Romney and Mackerel being too polite to call Obama out on his basic understanding of the world. Oh, and it seems that Romney had the car running in the driveway the entire election because he really didn't want to be president, but whateveres.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 20, 2013 06:40 PM (QxSug)

403 401 --- THIS.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 20, 2013 06:41 PM (C8mVl)

404 Obama has gotten seven legislators to change their votes to go anti-gun (in return for Zero campaigning for their re-elections) Are they stupid?

That was my reaction, too.

Posted by: RushBabe at February 20, 2013 06:42 PM (tQHzJ)

405 Idiocracy is free on YouTube if you're on the Internet.

Posted by: Frito Plover, Esq. at February 20, 2013 06:42 PM (UsR5V)

406 What scares me is not the liberal fascists who fancy
themselves the central planners but the (far larger) number who think
there is a brilliant and incorruptible central planner out there who can
decide how to run the world better than they can.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 06:39 PM (T0NGe)

Ayn, is that you?

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 20, 2013 06:42 PM (zpqa2)

407
Cass, short for Castor Bean, source of ricin, the ultimate answer to the problem presented by humanity.

I can't help but smile.

*creak*

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi and her taut botoxed phiz at February 20, 2013 06:42 PM (w41GQ)

408 So, who is the next Vladimir Blokhin? Don't know who that is? You can't separate socialism from coercion/death.

Posted by: Electric at February 20, 2013 06:42 PM (u2UBf)

409 360 And Dennis Prager's intelligent take on it:

Many liberals simply don't regard cons as having a different viewpoint. They regard them as simply EVIL:


Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 20, 2013 06:26 PM (PxYrx)


Fine by me. I wish them dead.

Painfully.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 20, 2013 06:43 PM (ZiG1p)

410 405 Idiocracy is free on YouTube if you're on the Internet.
Posted by: Frito Plover, Esq. at February 20, 2013 06:42 PM (UsR5V)


Someone here is not on the Internet?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 20, 2013 06:45 PM (ZiG1p)

411 "Many liberals simply don't regard cons as having a different viewpoint. They regard them as simply EVIL"

Very true. Once you realize this, you realize there will be no political solution.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 20, 2013 06:45 PM (zpqa2)

412 "The thing is, the class that would impose this on us is imposing their OWN Preferences, thus this is zero-cost to them."

It's human nature. The right has done it over the years, banning things like porno magazines and pot. That's why we lost so much when the federal system was essentially scrapped in favor of a national government. Personally I don't care if they have gun control (and big-gulp control) in New York because it doesn't affect me. But once it's federal there's no getting away from it.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 20, 2013 06:45 PM (1+XRG)

413 Oh vey...

Posted by: Frito Plover, Esq. at February 20, 2013 06:46 PM (UsR5V)

414 "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good
of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live
under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.
The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may
at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end for they do so with the approval
of their own conscience." C.S. Lewis

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 20, 2013 06:48 PM (zpqa2)

415 What's French for, "You're not gonna pay for this pizza, are you, lady?"

Much as I luv Ace in a non-gay way, I could totally see Ace messing up the subtitles so it comes out that 'vos pussy smells like fromage'

// My french sucks

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 20, 2013 06:48 PM (feFL6)

416 Barry trying to hypnotize me?

Why is he sending me the message, "God, I would love to put my foot up this fuckhead's ass"?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 20, 2013 06:48 PM (BuSM8)

417 95 With regard to these new Smart TVs, with two way video technology, does anyone think we may be fast approaching the day when we do our "government mandated exercises" in front of the TV?????

-----------

That's crazy talk!

Posted by: Michelle Obama, Let's Move! Czar at February 20, 2013 06:48 PM (IrbU4)

418 I was at a party the other night, where the host and most of the guests are children and grandchildren of Latvians who fled the commies after WWII.Guess who mostly think highly of Barack? Face it: there's a "don't learn from the past" gene in people that never gets weeded out by evolution, kinda like the gene for myopia. But I doubt the New Totalitarians would want to nudge people into recognizing that.
Posted by: wholelottasplainin'
***

My mother escaped Cuba a while after Castro came to power. Had she been there, I envision lots of throat punching going on.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 20, 2013 06:48 PM (uhftQ)

419 "With regard to these new Smart TVs, with two way video technology, does anyone think we may be fast approaching the day when we do our "government mandated exercises" in front of the TV????? "

As long as my Victory gin rations don't run out, I can abide.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 20, 2013 06:50 PM (1+XRG)

420
What scares me is not the liberal fascists who fancy themselves the central planners but the (far larger) number who think there is a brilliant and incorruptible central planner out there who can decide how to run the world better than they can.

I'm pretty sure this is why normal people are so disengaged with politics: they seem to think these people in Washington are so much smarter than they are, they just let them do anything they want without question.

We (meaning the LIV) need to get over this fawning adoration. Those people aren't any smarter than anyone else. In fact, the current crop is dumber than a bag of hammers.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 20, 2013 06:50 PM (+z4pE)

421 Finally we are starting to get to the left's real agenda... Its every bit as ugly as your worst nightmares.

Well, Bill Ayres, I'm one of those 25,000,000 million you figure you have to kill to bring about your Communist paradise - but know this, I won't go into the gas chamber quietly; there will be a terrible price to pay to get me there.


Posted by: An Observation at February 20, 2013 07:00 PM (ylhEn)

422 >>>'m pretty sure this is why normal people are so disengaged with politics: they seem to think these people in Washington are so much smarter than they are, they just let them do anything they want without question.

I wonder about that... you may be right, but the general thing one HEARS is that everyone in DC is an idiot, so that's why they don't care.

But maybe there is a lot of what you say going on. And maybe a lot of people do think those in DC are "smarter" -- and yet also think they're idiots. That is, they think people in DC are idiots, and yet still smarter than themselves, and hence able to rule.

One thing I really like about the Tea Party (the greatest thing) is the complete rejection of this and the insistence that no, we shall govern ourselves, as it says in the Constitution.

I'm not completely sure of this but I'm pretty sure that Sinn Fein, the Irish revolutionary group, means "We ourselves" in gaelic.

Which is a good motto.

I wonder if our populace is so debased they're just too lazy and too unsure of themselves to want to take the idea of We Ourselves seriously.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 07:00 PM (LCRYB)

423 >>>what's the french for, "You're not gonna pay for this pizza, are you, lady?"

"Vous ne allez payer pas pour cet pizza, serez-Vous, Madame?"

half of it's practically english.

Guessing on the conjugation of serez (furture tense of etra) for vous. (Turns out I had it, I think.)




Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 07:05 PM (LCRYB)

424
I wonder if our populace is so debased they're just too lazy and too unsure of themselves to want to take the idea of We Ourselves seriously.

That's what got my dander up about the baseless attacks against the Tea Party. I view it as ordinary Americans, using common sense and logic, along with the Founding Principles of limited government, to remove power from professional politicians.

Naturally, they were depicted as the devil incarnate by the left.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 20, 2013 07:06 PM (+z4pE)

425 >>> 'vos pussy smells like fromage'

votre chatte sent comme le fromage

sentir, to feel, or to smell (odd that it does double duty)

comme, as, like

chatte -- it does in fact mean pussy. Yup, their word for cat also means pussy. Well, adding on the diminuitive "-te" to chat. Kind of like -sy.

It's like Retard English mixed with Retard Latin.



Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 07:10 PM (LCRYB)

426 Wasn't Sinn Fein organized as a resistance to British rule in Northern Ireland?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 20, 2013 07:11 PM (+z4pE)

427 yeah and "We ourselves" meant we can rule ourselves without our british masters.

still more or less applicable.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 07:12 PM (LCRYB)

428
still more or less applicable.

What's French for "Right ON!"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 20, 2013 07:14 PM (+z4pE)

429 >>>"Right ON!"

vous avez raison

(you have it right, or you have the rightness, or you have reason)

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 07:15 PM (LCRYB)

430 You know...this sounds pretty good actually...as logn as it isus morons ruling over and telling the idoit liberals how to live and not visa versa. For example, concealed carry in every state, right to work, every state, abolishment of goverment employee unions, every state.....
Why is it pricks like Sunstienalways assume they will be the one's holding the clipboard...?

Posted by: Ripley at February 20, 2013 07:17 PM (OaHHI)

431 >>>Why is it pricks like Sunstienalways assume they will be the one's holding the clipboard...?

unfortunately they always are, aren't they?

I'd love to do a shoe-on-the-other foot argument but they know they won't have to wear that shoe.

Any anti-liberty, anti-human program is bearable so long as *you are personally immune to it.*

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 07:18 PM (LCRYB)

432
Heh, I'll have to try to remember that, even if I get style points deducted for using a rather dated term from the '60's.

But, I was there, so there's that.

It's good talking to ya, Ace. And thanks for the translations.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 20, 2013 07:19 PM (+z4pE)

433 It's human nature. The right has done it over the years, banning things like porno magazines and pot. That's why we lost so much when the federal system was essentially scrapped in favor of a national government. Personally I don't care if they have gun control (and big-gulp control) in New York because it doesn't affect me. But once it's federal there's no getting away from it.
Posted by: Ace's liver at February 20, 2013 06:45 PM (1+XRG)

Er, pornography was banned by both right and left sides of the political spectrumin this and in other societies off and on forhundreds of years. Someone probably slapped down Caveman Gronk for offending the spirits with racy cave paintings. The same for marijuana and other drugs. You're equating 'the right' with busybody prudishness. Maybe, just maybe, the use of 'right-left' political shorthand doesn't capture the history or present reality of things very well.

That said, the one thing--the only thing--I really like about libertarianism isits 'leave me alone' message. That sells. And then, of course, libertariansstarttalking about Jewish bankers, fluoridated water and mind control, and ruin everything.

Posted by: troyriser at February 20, 2013 07:19 PM (vtiE6)

434 I do say, at the least it is refreshing that so many of these people are no longer pretending.

Posted by: BuddyPC at February 20, 2013 07:20 PM (jfUIE)

435 Sunstein, uses the same, malignant line of crap that I've heard so many times, I would call it the "jackboot in the door fallacy" (more descriptive of its totalitarian nature than the old familiar "slippery slope")

Because we "already live in a regulated society" and need "prescriptions for certain medications" therefore there is no limit to what the collective can and should do to the individual, and there is really no distinction to be made between freedom and slavery, etc.

We should quote this kind of statement right back at them whenever they give us the "we're only asking one more little thing from you.." --and take away another small piece of our freedom, and place one more brick in their argument for a universal un-freedom.

Ever since Obama these collectivist-fascists are like roaches who've lost their fear of the daylight.
They were always here, but formerly had the good manners to stay mostly hidden in their little enclaves.
Now they're frickin everywhere.

Posted by: NYC Parent at February 20, 2013 07:23 PM (8GA+4)

436
Maybe, just maybe, the use of 'right-left' political shorthand doesn't capture the history or present reality of things very well.

The Right, like the Tea Party, has been unfairly characterized as the "No" faction for quite a while.

But take a look at what the leftards are saying we can no longer do: no robust economy, no cheap gas or groceries, no self-defense, no babies, no old cars, no cheap health insurance, no accountability, no Constitution, no rule of law...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 20, 2013 07:26 PM (+z4pE)

437 I say let's go fullbore into Big Daddy.

Naturally, for something like tis, we would have to pick the best guardians, ones that the people could put their trust in, thus prior track record would be crucial. It would be best if we put the organization most favorably viewed by Americans as posessing skill, honor, integrity, and competence in charge.

The United States Armed Forces.

Posted by: E. at February 20, 2013 07:27 PM (1638N)

438
You know...this sounds pretty good actually...as logn as it isus morons ruling over and telling the idoit liberals how to live and not visa versa. For example, concealed carry in every state, right to work, every state, abolishment of goverment employee unions, every state.....

That's the difference between Us and Them: all of those ideas are on the side of freedom.

If we don't impose our will on them, they impose theirs on us. And we know which side they're on. I'm sorry if that sounds simplisitic, but IMO, it's the truth.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 20, 2013 07:30 PM (+z4pE)

439 Inspector Asshole has gotten to the core of the issue:

Even in a libertarian anarchist utopia, one does not have to elect for complete freedom. You can contract protection/whatever from any group of people you want. You could hire the services of a nanny state if you'd like!

THAT is freedom. Not govt.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more Assault & at February 20, 2013 07:30 PM (FsUAO)

440 >>>Er, pornography was banned by both right and left sides of the political spectrumin this and in other societies off and on forhundreds of years. Someone probably slapped down Caveman Gronk for offending the spirits with racy cave paintings. The same for marijuana and other drugs. You're equating 'the right' with busybody prudishness. Maybe, just maybe, the use of 'right-left' political shorthand doesn't capture the history or present reality of things very well.


a good point that needs to be made more often -- all of these anti-freedom type impulses are INVARIABLY associated with the right by the Not-Intelligentsia. They casually overlook that many of these things are rooted in basic human behavior and transcend politics.

They also neatly overlook their own ideology's embrace of the Hammer of the State to pound the Sin out of citizens.

Posted by: ace at February 20, 2013 07:31 PM (LCRYB)

441 The mask doesn't have much farther to slip, it looks like.

So, all that's left to argue about is when the Cold Civil War enters into the phase I like to call the bullet catching contest? And what impoverished sub-Saharan African country we're going to negotiate a Hong-Kong type 99 year lease enclave where the losers will be exiled for the balance of their natural lives?


Posted by: Mike James at February 20, 2013 07:39 PM (cgDgK)

442 411 "Many liberals simply don't regard cons as having a different viewpoint. They regard them as simply EVIL"

Very true. Once you realize this, you realize there will be no political solution.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 20, 2013 06:45 PM (zpqa2)


Yep. I regard leftists as evil and their supporters as fools. (There's nothing 'liberal' about them. They're totalitarians.)

Nope, we're not going to be able to vote our way out of this.

Posted by: rickl at February 20, 2013 07:40 PM (sdi6R)

443 The Left has learned that people would rather feel good about themselves than actually feel good.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 20, 2013 07:42 PM (Y5I9o)

444 "They also neatly overlook their own ideology's embrace of the Hammer of the State to pound the Sin out of citizens. "

Well, that's true. It was certainly true with prohibition, for example.

But the point was the system, as set up, takes these impulses into account by limiting their reach to one or more states. That's what we've lost, and that's why it's so much more important to *win* in Washington these days - because the states have become satrapies of the national government.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 20, 2013 07:42 PM (1+XRG)

445 "I say let's go fullbore into Big Daddy."

I find the drill plasmids to be the most efficacious.

Posted by: Ace's liver at February 20, 2013 07:45 PM (1+XRG)

446 In the progger universe, all morality is in service of the State. For example, abortion is outlawed or encouraged based on the needs of the State. Some times they need more drones, sometimes less mouths.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 20, 2013 08:07 PM (QupBk)

447 Doubleplusgoodducktalker

Posted by: DocRon at February 20, 2013 08:33 PM (Fwkg3)

448 But.. but... Obama is a centrist! He'll NEVER go this far, and especially none of his czars are communists or fascist. Your a racist

- the GOP, John Mccain, several unmentionable former listened to talk show hosts, the media, and of course the corruptocrats.

Posted by: Just the Facts at February 20, 2013 08:42 PM (m6Fkk)

449
He is the same author of Nudge, one dangerous and shrew dude!

Posted by: Kathy at February 21, 2013 12:10 AM (RmBZJ)

450 "But the totalitarian...?...." Yes, and don't ever forget he's a Marxist totalitarian ideologue. And all Marxist will talk about your "happiness". Watch for it.

Posted by: halodoc at February 21, 2013 07:23 AM (Fzbp3)

451
Conly responds that when government makes (some) decisions for us, we gain not only in personal welfare but also in autonomy, if only because our time is freed up to deal with what most concerns us

Why just some decisions? why not all? imagine the amount of free time we'd have then!

Of course, at that point we'd no longer be citizens, but serfs. Father Government would feed us, house us, send us to a doctor-serf, and work us 16 hours a day.

But at least the trains would run on time, and we'd be fed.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at February 21, 2013 09:26 AM (1hM1d)

452 "431 >>>Why is it pricks like Sunstienalways assume they will be the one's holding the clipboard...?

Because they have no concept of Revolutionary duty. Once the Revolution happens, each has a duty to the State that cannot be diminished by appeals to individual conscience or comprehension.

Those who submit duty to logic are subversive. Even if they attempt to persuade others to the rightness of Revolution. It is the application of doubt to duty that is a crime against the State demanding the ultimate penalty.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 21, 2013 11:26 AM (Y1lnc)






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