Obama: Congressional Republicans Are Endangering The Country By Supporting The Sequester.
John Boehner: The President Is Right.

Yesterday Obama did his traditional dog and pony show when he wants to show he's serious about something without actually doing something about it. The most recent human props were first responders that Obama claims will be laid off if the mean GOP doesn't cave in and raise taxes.

Today John Boehner responds with an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal that agrees with Obama.

A week from now, a dramatic new federal policy is set to go into effect that threatens U.S. national security, thousands of jobs and more. In a bit of irony, President Obama stood Tuesday with first responders who could lose their jobs if the policy goes into effect. Most Americans are just hearing about this Washington creation for the first time: the sequester. What they might not realize from Mr. Obama's statements is that it is a product of the president's own failed leadership.

The sequester is a wave of deep spending cuts scheduled to hit on March 1. Unless Congress acts, $85 billion in across-the-board cuts will occur this year, with another $1.1 trillion coming over the next decade. There is nothing wrong with cutting spending that much—we should be cutting even more—but the sequester is an ugly and dangerous way to do it.

By law, the sequester focuses on the narrow portion of the budget that funds the operating accounts for federal agencies and departments, including the Department of Defense. Exempt is most entitlement spending—the large portion of the budget that is driving the nation's looming debt crisis. Should the sequester take effect, America's military budget would be slashed nearly half a trillion dollars over the next 10 years. Border security, law enforcement, aviation safety and many other programs would all have diminished resources.

Boehner's larger point is apparently that Obama should agree to the plans the GOP aid out last year to achieve the same savings but in ways that aren't so ham handed and injurious.

The problem as Byron York notes is that's not really the overall impression one gets from Boehner's piece.

The effect of Boehner’s argument is to make Obama seem reasonable in comparison. After all, the president certainly agrees with Boehner that the sequester cuts threaten national security and jobs. The difference is that Obama wants to avoid them. At the same time, Boehner is contributing to Republican confusion on the question of whether the cuts are in fact “deep” or whether they are relatively minor.

Could the GOP message on the sequester be any more self-defeating? Boehner could argue that the sequester cuts are necessary as a first — and somewhat modest — step toward controlling the deficits that threaten the economy. Instead, he describes them as a threat to national security and jobs that he nevertheless supports. It’s not an argument that is likely to persuade millions of Americans.

Boehner is relying on some double jujitsu move that relies on people accepting the argument that yes the cuts are by the GOP's own admission are dangerous but they can't be turned off because....um....that's why.

Did Republicans learn nothing about the tyranny of low information voters last November? You can't have these 3D policy chess arguments and expect people to side with you, especially when Obama is offering a simple, if false, substitute.

All viewers of Honey Boo-Boo hear is....Everyone agrees sequester is bad, Obama has a plan to stop it, Republicans are saying no to that plan.

I'm sure the GOP will win the messaging war this time because voters have gotten smarter or something since November. And if you believe that, you're qualified to be the GOP Speaker of the House.

FTR: I don't think sequestration will happen. The GOP will cave. Maybe not before March 1 but within a week or so of it.

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:07 AM



Comments

1 He's just keeping his ammo dry as this is not the hill to die on.

Posted by: ejo at February 20, 2013 11:08 AM (GXvSO)

2 Look man, the national GOP have it pretty good .. there is no hill for them to die on.

Posted by: dantealiegri at February 20, 2013 11:10 AM (HXWlL)

3 Do not lite a match that smell from Washington is ass gas..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 20, 2013 11:10 AM (x59Gv)

4 The Sky is Falling ? Somebody get a shovel, that chicken shit operation in DC is too deep..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 20, 2013 11:11 AM (x59Gv)

5 And let's not allow the impression to be made that Boehner, when he bumbles around, is playing some high level game of 3D chess. He is, at best, playing checkers with a couple of pieces missing.

Posted by: ejo at February 20, 2013 11:11 AM (GXvSO)

6 1

Drew's a mountain cat; he thinks every hill is worth dying on.

Posted by: JJ Stone at February 20, 2013 11:12 AM (diRA1)

7
and this is why Republicans will be back down to 140 seats in the House in 2015

Posted by: soothsayer at February 20, 2013 11:12 AM (052zE)

8
It was in the Wall Street Journal.

The typical reader of the WSJ is not some empty headed Honey boo-boo welfare FSA slug. Even so, the WSJ is not as good now since Murdoch bought it than it was 10 years ago.

I know it is typical here for our Moron hordeto bash Boehner, but what else is he supposed to do? Yes, the sequester is bad - Boehner agrees. Yes, Obama was offered a better alternative. Yes, he did nothing. Yes, the President has shown no leadership on this issue.

What is left to be said?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at February 20, 2013 11:12 AM (RFeQD)

9 By the way I have a lot of White Privilege today for sale, really I want the Prezzy's playbook to make that someone else problem..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 20, 2013 11:12 AM (x59Gv)

10 The law that creates the sequester requires a deal to make cuts equal to or larger than the sequester to make it go away.

The Dems won't do that.

I said from the beginning that the Republicans should say that the sequester was a deal they made with the Democrats to cut spending, cutting spending is a good thing, and if the Democrats won't agree to anything else, this is what we've got. Embrace it. Up to now on this round the Republicans have managed to not run around with their skirts pulled over their heads about how scary it is. But only up to now.

Agreeing that the sequester is dangerous just says, but we don't care.

I heard a conservative call in to a radio show this am, and she said that Obama just wants to strong arm the Congress to do what he wants, and that the Republicans just want to oppose Obama.

This is bad when people on our side think we just want to deny the President.

Posted by: blaster at February 20, 2013 11:14 AM (pZDxu)

11 The sequester bad?
, sweetie you have not seen bad yet , but it is coming like the Dust Bowl on steroids..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 20, 2013 11:15 AM (x59Gv)

12 Good fucking lord. It gets worse every day.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 20, 2013 11:15 AM (HDgX3)

13 Fuck it, I'm down with the burn. Pedal to the metal.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 20, 2013 11:15 AM (/gHaE)

14 Typical Moron Hord bash Boehner? Fuck that!!
pick a number when your nuts drop..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 20, 2013 11:16 AM (x59Gv)

15
WSJ is just an organ for big government lobbyists

Posted by: soothsayer at February 20, 2013 11:16 AM (LVtr+)

16 Is it really so hard to just say "Obama's Sequester" instead of just "sequester"?

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 20, 2013 11:16 AM (Vk2pI)

17 On the bright side the low information voter's view of this would never have been (and will not) be influenced by anything Boehner said or might have said.

That's the beauty of being a president with an adoring media.

Posted by: gwelf at February 20, 2013 11:16 AM (nyxv/)

18 @ 13 put your foot through the Firewall..!!!!!!

Posted by: Clemenza at February 20, 2013 11:17 AM (x59Gv)

19 People will think of the sequester era wistfully in the future...

...the "good old days", when there was still an America.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 20, 2013 11:17 AM (/gHaE)

20
FACEPALM!
I've said it again and again.
The cuts themselves aren't dangerous.
Even the "narrow" focus of them.

The problem is that we gave the president the ability to control the specifics of those cuts and he's busy trying to make sure they heart as much as possible.

It's the equivalent of saying to a diabetic "we could have just taken your toe and solved the problems, but we took the whole foot as to make a point."

That's basically Obama's plan in a nutshell. Except his point isn't "get healthy" it's "give me what I want fuckers." (but I don't have an analogy for that.)

Posted by: tsrblke at February 20, 2013 11:17 AM (GaqMa)

21
Congress holds the purse strings. By funding the SCOAMF's out of control spending, they are complicit.

LiFB

Posted by: annoyed at February 20, 2013 11:17 AM (uEm7J)

22 13 Purp Av,

The problem is Giggles gets to play for each news cycle and the media pretends that as a puppy every time Giggles opens his eyes it's a new world and he is not to blame for any of it.....

Fuck 'em all and let God, King Math, and riots sort it out.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 11:17 AM (LRFds)

23
1He's just keeping his ammo dry as this is not the hill to die on.



I would like to know where he is getting his ammo...

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 20, 2013 11:17 AM (UrENZ)

24 With all the money the GOP has it's beyond incredible to me that they can't hire 5 decent PR people.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 20, 2013 11:17 AM (HDgX3)

25 As a nation we wont learn until there is a lot of pain. The federal government has shown that they are not going to try to protect you from economic or physical pain. Plan for yourself and those around you, and be ready to clean up the mess.

Posted by: dantealiegri at February 20, 2013 11:18 AM (HXWlL)

26 Fox news this morning had the video from 2011 of Obama saying he would veto any plan to kill the sequester.
I expect Boehner to quote from this video extensively... maybe when he's minority leader in 2015.

Posted by: mallfly at February 20, 2013 11:18 AM (bJm7W)

27 Fucking idiot...

This was the time to say that this is because TFG was not willing to compromise. This was the time to prove that TFG and his puppet senate were the ones being the obstructionists with there absolution of their way or the highway.

What a lost opportunity, another fumble from cry baby boehner.

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 20, 2013 11:18 AM (UZQM8)

28

If Boehner says the sequester is bad, perhaps he's laying the groundwork for avoiding it.


Boehner's only choice is which faction to make most angry.

Let it sequester. When the low-infos see that the world doesn't end, maybe that will make an impression.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2013 11:19 AM (1Y+hH)

29 Look at Detroit Politics and you have the Modern Day plan for Washington ...

Posted by: Clemenza at February 20, 2013 11:19 AM (x59Gv)

30 >>>>>The most recent human props were first responders that Obama claims will be laid off if the mean GOP doesn't cave in and raise taxes.

oh noes. we may not have enough cops to arrest people for drunk dialing 911 for cigarettes. the fire departments may have to lay off real firemen in order to keep 5' 2" lesbians on staff. in other words, chaos.

Posted by: No Feet Johnson at February 20, 2013 11:19 AM (KHo8t)

31 The fate of the Federal Firemen concerns me.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 20, 2013 11:19 AM (QupBk)

32 24
With all the money the GOP has it's beyond incredible to me that they can't hire 5 decent PR people.


The problem is they don't even understand that they're incompetent at propaganda.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 20, 2013 11:20 AM (/gHaE)

33 Boehner in typical Beltway Republican mode is trying to make deal and he thinks this kind of argument that will be turned around as simply "Republican agree with me but don't care" will rally the country and as the article points out this is worse than saying nothing. Boehner I guess missed that "Republicans are Nazis' speech Obama just gave that indicates where he is heading with the argument.

Posted by: Conan at February 20, 2013 11:20 AM (mkq4I)

34 And shorter Obama: Stop me before I kill again.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 20, 2013 11:20 AM (QupBk)

35 Will the Honey BooBoo low-info voters read Boehner's column at all? Or are they more likely to get their news in isolated little sound bites from the State Run Media. The GOP will win this messaging war because the media favors Obama, and that's where low-info types get what little info they actually do have.

If anything, that's the message we should have learned from the Clinton/Gingrich standoffs, along with every other standoff from the past two years.

All Boehner can do is tell the truth and stand his ground - which is exactly what he's doing this time.

Boehner has gotten a lot of (well-deserved) criticism over the last few years - but do westill have to nitpick and criticize when he does the right thing for once?

Posted by: DRayRaven at February 20, 2013 11:20 AM (H8fz7)

36 I despise the democrat party and am fed up with the republican party.....so where the hell does that leave me?

I'm a conservative without a party....this sucks

Posted by: kawfytawk at February 20, 2013 11:20 AM (qdzWt)

37 Boehner should have made the point Rush has made. If we don't fix our fiscal house soon then we'll see all the things Obama was crying about and much worse. The GOP needs to make the case day in and day out what the future looks like if we don't fix our spending/debt problem. Tailor it to the low information voter - you think government services are important? Just wait until the world notices that we're bankrupt and see what happens to government services.

Posted by: gwelf at February 20, 2013 11:20 AM (nyxv/)

38 Whoever thought some forms of Brass would be considered precious metals.?

Posted by: Clemenza at February 20, 2013 11:20 AM (x59Gv)

39
Boehner even used the same rhetoric as the Democrats. "Deep cuts" and all that crap.

$85B!! in deep cuts!!

Posted by: soothsayer at February 20, 2013 11:21 AM (+oin+)

40 This is EXHIBIT A in the case of why we need to take over our state GOPs.

Take over the state parties, take over the national party.

That's how we get this perpetual fucking to stop.

Posted by: Truman North at February 20, 2013 11:22 AM (I2LwF)

41 OK.... anyone have the actual NUMBERS on the sequester?

Is this an actual 85 Billion CUT? or is this another cut in baseline spending... ie... the 7% automatic annual growth?

ie... will the Pentagon have less money to spend this year, as Last Year?

Or is this another Chichton 'State of Fear' keep us scared thing?

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 20, 2013 11:22 AM (lZBBB)

42 oh noes. we may not have enough cops to arrest
people for drunk dialing 911 for cigarettes. the fire departments may
have to lay off real firemen in order to keep 5' 2" lesbians on staff.
in other words, chaos.

Posted by: No Feet Johnson at February 20, 2013 11:19 AM (KHo8t)

__________________________
Yep. Maybe instead of laying off there people you can, oh I dunno, make them work more than 20 years before getting a full pension. Maybe not pay them overtime at the drop of a hat. Maybe make them contribute a couple of dollars to their own health care costs. Crazy talk I know. They're first responders, they are gods and never to be messed with.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 20, 2013 11:22 AM (HDgX3)

43 Either Boehner's on board with LiB, or he's just a dummy.


50/50 odds at this point.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB advocate at February 20, 2013 11:22 AM (his4q)

44 What a joke. These aren't even real cuts. They're decreases in the rate of spending.

Boehner continues to cede the most important principle to Obama--that we can't "afford" cuts. Of course we can. The federal government is larger than ever before.

Nothing matters more than convincing the American people of this simple fact: Federal spending is out of control and we can and must cut it or we're in for a disaster.

Boehner is a statist fuckstain just like the rest of them. And at this rate, the GOP will never receive my vote again.

Shoving a rook up your ass doesn't mean you're playing chess.

Posted by: Warden at February 20, 2013 11:22 AM (0DlnM)

45 Hello.. we are congress on Vacation while New Rome Burns...

Posted by: Clemenza at February 20, 2013 11:22 AM (x59Gv)

46
Just because Obama threatens to cut where it hurts the little guys the most doesn't mean he will actually do that. His talk and his actions often don't match.

Call his bluff for once. The sequester is his creation. The cuts are small.


Don't worry, be happy.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2013 11:23 AM (1Y+hH)

47 Smarter Boehner: The sequester was the President's idea. He doesn't get to run away from it now.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 20, 2013 11:23 AM (QupBk)

48 I know it is typical here for our Moron hordeto bash Boehner, but what else is he supposed to do?

His job?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 20, 2013 11:23 AM (GBXon)

49
Boehner just put another nail in the GOP's brand coffin.

Talk like a Democrat...

Walk like a Democrat...

Posted by: soothsayer at February 20, 2013 11:23 AM (Fely/)

50 reason magazine says the sequester will result in only $43B in cuts this year. oh noes!

Posted by: No Feet Johnson at February 20, 2013 11:24 AM (KHo8t)

51 39


Boehner even used the same rhetoric as the Democrats. "Deep cuts" and all that crap.

$85B!! in deep cuts!!
Posted by: soothsayer at February 20, 2013 11:21 AM (+oin+)

They are ALL a bunch of damned liars. They scream ...The sky is falling ...the sky is falling.....as they run to catch their flight out of town. Idiots ...all of em

Posted by: kawfytawk at February 20, 2013 11:24 AM (qdzWt)

52 Just.Do.Nothing. The cuts over 10 years are less than one year of Obama deficit spending.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 20, 2013 11:24 AM (QupBk)

53 I'm OK with firefighters getting laid off becoz that's what Let It Burn is all about.

Posted by: Bigby's Clappy Hands at February 20, 2013 11:24 AM (3ZtZW)

54
I dunno. If the sequester happens, and if it's a big nothingburger (since it's some cuts in the rate of increase, whoopty-shit), the doomsayers are not going to be smelling like roses.
I mean, yeah, everyone will likely be all SQUIRREL! until Barry's next manufactured crisis, but it's getting harder and harder to care.
Let it burn and all, what-what?

Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 20, 2013 11:25 AM (zgHLA)

55 36 I despise the democrat party and am fed up with the republican party.....so where the hell does that leave me?

I'm a conservative without a party....this sucks
Posted by: kawfytawk at February 20, 2013 11:20 AM (qdzWt)



Same here. So I'm taking one of them over. You?

Posted by: Truman North at February 20, 2013 11:25 AM (I2LwF)

56 The nice thing about limp Boehner in the House is that I get to donate to his primary challenger again next year.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at February 20, 2013 11:26 AM (epxV4)

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB advocate at February 20, 2013 11:26 AM (his4q)

58 Keep an eye on the dealer, he is getting ready to pull the Illegal Immigration Amnesty Card , from the bottom of the deck while you are looking at the Sequester hand he is showing...

Posted by: Clemenza at February 20, 2013 11:26 AM (x59Gv)

59 Shoving a rook up your ass doesn't mean you're playing chess.

Well, I don't need any taxpayer funded birth control for that but....what the hell.

I'm interested in confirming your hypothesis!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 20, 2013 11:26 AM (BrQrN)

60
Whoops, meant to have br-tags, not b-tags. Several dozen apologies.

Anyway, I should also mention that yes, Boehner is an idiot, but that should go without saying.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 20, 2013 11:27 AM (zgHLA)

61

I want to watch Obama get more and more exercised as his plan falls apart.


Bring on the sequester.


It's a molehill, not a mountain.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2013 11:27 AM (1Y+hH)

62 48 Cavil,

Yeah well I am not carrying his water too hard anymore but what the fuck is he supposed to do?

Go over to Tepid and read the jackass posters agreeing with Scardouche about "echo chambers" the entire leftwing M$M sucks Obama's cock and that ain't a fucking echo chamber?

Fuck it I'm done...let the whole thing burn down.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 11:27 AM (LRFds)

63 To boldly go where many men have barreled before!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 20, 2013 11:27 AM (BrQrN)

64 I am off to support the Free Stuff Party today, if you get a chance look at Foxxy News today they Show John WINDWARD Mc Cain getting his Immigration points from a citizen..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 20, 2013 11:28 AM (x59Gv)

65 These "cuts" don't amount to a thimble full of piss.

It's a joke. We're arguing over an illusion.

Will the GOP cut a deal? Will they avoid sequestration?!!!!! Who cares?

"Veronique de Rugy, a fellow at the Mercatus Center at George Mason
University—like the Hoover Institution, a right-leaning
institution—pointed out in 2011 that the sequester would merely reduce
the rate of spending growth."

How 'bout that. Imaginary cuts. Now let's all get out there and vote for the GOP.

Posted by: Warden at February 20, 2013 11:28 AM (0DlnM)

66
yep, Rush laid it all out yesterday in the most elegant and simple terms

and here's Boehner going in the completely opposite and wrong direction

Posted by: soothsayer at February 20, 2013 11:28 AM (8dspl)

67 Boehner is not an idiot. He is a genius. He just doesn't want the same things we do.

Posted by: Truman North at February 20, 2013 11:28 AM (I2LwF)

68 oh noes. we may not have enough cops to arrest
people for drunk dialing 911 for cigarettes. the fire departments may
have to lay off real firemen in order to keep 5' 2" lesbians on staff.
in other words, chaos.

Posted by: No Feet Johnson at February 20, 2013 11:19 AM



Man, no shit.

Posted by: Berserker at February 20, 2013 11:28 AM (FMbng)

69 This is what I have been saying with gun control. Don't get bogged down in nuance. Reason and logic are not going to persuade the American voter.

Stick to very simple talking points.

1. Sequester was Obama's idea.
2. Weare deep in debt and must cut spending.

That's it.

Posted by: SH at February 20, 2013 11:28 AM (gmeXX)

70 Same here. So I'm taking one of them over. You?

Posted by: Truman North at February 20, 2013 11:25 AM (I2LwF)


Which one? ....Heh

Posted by: kawfytawk at February 20, 2013 11:28 AM (qdzWt)

71 53 Bigby's clappy hands,

if Obama decides to keep the Peggy Joseph types in their sweet sweet guvmint cheese and nuke FEMA I am out of "gives a fuck".....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 11:29 AM (LRFds)

72
Boehner and the Republicans as a whole should simply stick with the title of that piece he wrote: The President Is Raging Against The Budget Crisis He Created.

Simple, effective. He created the problem, now's he's trying to slither away from the blame. That's all you need to hammer in, over and over and over.

Posted by: Heralder at February 20, 2013 11:29 AM (+xmn4)

73 66


yep, Rush laid it all out yesterday in the most elegant and simple terms



and here's Boehner going in the completely opposite and wrong direction





Posted by: soothsayer at February 20, 2013 11:28 AM (8dspl)

__________________
But our Republican betters like SE Cupp say opposing Rush is the way back to victory. So this will work, right?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 20, 2013 11:29 AM (HDgX3)

74 >>>To boldly go where many men have barreled before!

"Go boldly".

Posted by: Bigby's Editing Pencil at February 20, 2013 11:29 AM (3ZtZW)

75
Hmm, still screwed, eh?

I guess it's too much for Boner to say anything about TFG's and the Dim's spending spree that brought us to this place.

Neither party speaks the truth or acts in an adult way, and the rest of us pay for it. We truly deserve every bit of this shit. LIB.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 20, 2013 11:30 AM (+z4pE)

76 Yeah well I am not carrying his water too hard anymore but what the fuck is he supposed to do?

Either fight hammer and tong, or leave.

Not that I believe he'll do either. He's part of the problem now.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 20, 2013 11:30 AM (GBXon)

77 Boner could have made it real simple.

1. Sequestration was Obama's idea if budget cut agreements could not be reached.
2. He approved the bill
3. He gets to decide who gets cut in discretionary and military spending. So if those first responders get cut it is because Obama wanted to.
4. We could not reach agreement because Democrats did not want an agreement.


Even the liberals on the curvey couch said all of this earlier today.


He could make an additional point that he doesn't understand why first responders are under the federal budget anyway. But that might be too complicated for the dumbasses.

Posted by: Vic at February 20, 2013 11:30 AM (53z96)

78 67 Truman North,

Not so he wants fiscal sanity but he also doesn't want a Constitution nuking quorum...what he refuses to get is that I am just about done with the fucking nation b/c it is an insane asylum.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 11:30 AM (LRFds)

79 IMO the minute Hagel gets confirmed, sequester is dead. No way the defense hawks and neocons are going to tolerate two defeats.

Posted by: SH at February 20, 2013 11:31 AM (gmeXX)

80 Yeah , it's like I fail on purpose. Surprise!

Posted by: John Boehner at February 20, 2013 11:32 AM (AWmfW)

81 So now we have prominent Repubs advocating the Great Society and agreeing with Obama. And still people say the parties are different and the GOP can and should be saved.

Troyriser, call your office.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 20, 2013 11:32 AM (zpqa2)

82 No way the defense hawks and neocons are going to tolerate two defeats.

Why stop here...?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 20, 2013 11:32 AM (GBXon)

83 Exempt is most entitlement unconstitutional spending¡ªthe large portion of the budget that is driving the nation's looming debt crisis.


Fixed.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 20, 2013 11:32 AM (GFM2b)

84 76 Cavil,

Fight what?

Obama can kill all of the house and the media will report on his golf game...

There's no "fight" Obama got reelected, the "SUPER TRUE conservatives voted with their asses for Hopium based Greek economics...

I wiped my ass with ~7 grand trying to save a special needs school....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 11:32 AM (LRFds)

85 The GOP will cave. Maybe not before March 1 but within a week or so of it.

Yes, of course. The GOP caving isn't even newsworthy anymore.

Posted by: joncelli at February 20, 2013 11:32 AM (RD7QR)

86 Which one? ....Heh

LOL I know right?

Predators are supposed to take down the weak, sick and old. It keeps the body politic healthy.

The GOP is ripe for a takedown.

Posted by: Truman North at February 20, 2013 11:32 AM (I2LwF)

87 Boehner and the Republicans as a whole should simply stick with the title of that piece he wrote: The President Is Raging Against The Budget Crisis He Created.

Simple,
effective. He created the problem, now's he's trying to slither away
from the blame. That's all you need to hammer in, over and over and
over.

Posted by: Heralder at February 20, 2013 11:29 AM (



1000 fucking times this. The repubs have got to STOP banking on the intelligence of the American people, because there is none. Not to get all sci-fi, but to borrow a line from Spock- "V'ger is a child, I suggest you treat it as one."

Posted by: Berserker at February 20, 2013 11:33 AM (FMbng)

88 7


and this is why Republicans will be back down to 140 seats in the House in 2015


No no no. Without the House held by Republicans, who could the Democrats and Media blame for all the problems we face? With a Republican House, the D/Ms can just say, "We want to make things better, but those Mean Republicans won't let us!"

I predict that efforts to recapture the House by the Dems will be very, very modest.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 20, 2013 11:33 AM (xjpRj)

89

I pray the Repubs don't cave. Boehner is reactive not active. His caucus calls the shots.

Don't cave, Pubbies, let the cuts happen. It will be quite educational for the masses when disaster is predicted and then doesn't happen. Maybe they'll start to believe that cuts can be made without great suffering.

Nobody minds a cut that doesn't affect them, just like they don't mind a tax that they don't pay.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2013 11:33 AM (1Y+hH)

90 79 IMO the minute Hagel gets confirmed
Posted by: SH at February 20, 2013 11:31 AM (gmeXX)


^ what a dog and pony show THAT is ^


Posted by: kawfytawk at February 20, 2013 11:33 AM (qdzWt)

91 Spending today is double what it was in 2000. The GOP should hammer this point every day and phrase in a family budget type of manner.

Suppose your family earned $50K a year in 2000 and spend $50K a year. Now suppose your family earned $75K in 2013 but spent $100K a year. Is the problem a lack of income or is the problem too much spending? Should you get a second job to make an extra $25K or should you look where to cut $25K in spending?

Even the lowest of low info voters would understand.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 20, 2013 11:34 AM (HDgX3)

92 79 SH,

WTH are you talking about?

I'm a defense hawk, I want DoD nukes so King Putt can't get a nuke war going or hand our devices whole to Iran...

The nation is finished and I am strangely okay with it now.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 11:34 AM (LRFds)

93 Vic,
I like your simple talking points better than mine, but let me edit simply because I think any list above 3 is too much for the average voter (unless of course it is a 57 point plan /snark):

1. This was Obama's plan.2.He gets to decide who gets cut in discretionary and military spending. So if those first responders get cut it is because Obama wanted to.3. We could not reach agreement because Democrats did not want an agreement.

Posted by: SH at February 20, 2013 11:34 AM (gmeXX)

94 We should have already been shut down since the last proper budget wasn't passed. Shut it all down - but of course that wont happen. The GOP is just there to provide grease for the slope.

Posted by: Whatev at February 20, 2013 11:34 AM (A7Wh1)

95 gateway has the video of Obama defending the sequester in 2011 (posted at gateway last night)

"Today Barack Obama warned Americans of moving ahead with the ‘meat cleaver’ sequester cuts.

But back in November 2011 President Obama threatened to veto any efforts by lawmakers to undo the sequester cuts."

Posted by: mallfly at February 20, 2013 11:34 AM (bJm7W)

96 These tards don't realize the current government could cease to exist in their lifetimes...

...but it could.

Ask the Soviets

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 20, 2013 11:35 AM (/gHaE)

97 Boehner wants to make as few difficult decisions as possible.

If Boehner doesn't make difficult decisions, then his caucus doesn't have to make difficult decisions.

And if none of them have to make difficult decisions, there is less for their election opponents to attack them on.

And that makes it more likely that they will all stay in power.

And if they all stay in power, then they have Boehner to thank for his leadership.

And if they are grateful to Boehner for his leadership, then they will keep him as Speaker.

And that is what Boehner wants.

Posted by: Truman North at February 20, 2013 11:36 AM (I2LwF)

98 89 meremortal,

He is caving because the GOP probably got the message from people like my dad who are convinced they are "hiding social security's solvency everything is okay so don't touch entitlements unless you increase them..."

fuck it...

the entitlement bomb cannot be fixed without SEVERE fucking changes....all of this Kabuki theater on DoD and Federal Firecops and whatnot is bullshit...

within a decade entitlements will be double what they are and they are already killing the nation....

fuck 'em....I for one welcome our new Mexican overlords.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 11:36 AM (LRFds)

99 96 PA,

I want it to, we are in bed with a lunatic malthusian Cult being totally entrenched in the civil service...

whatever comes next regulatory Fiat should be justified homicide fuel.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 11:37 AM (LRFds)

100 "by the GOP's own admission"

Confessionals are so old school 1960's Maoist cultural revolution. Just shows how behind the times the GOP is. Haven't you noticed that the modern Democrat party doesn't confess to anything? They never admit to anything, just a casual jedi mind trick wave of the hand dismissal.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 20, 2013 11:38 AM (3iZs6)

101 The GOP will cave.

***

Whoa. Drew must be like Nostradamus or something.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 20, 2013 11:38 AM (XUKZU)

102 The problem is the Kristol part of our base that worships at the altar of military spending. Does anyone really believe that the US is in danger of being taken over if we slashed our military budget by $500 billion? The F-35 fighter jet program alone was found to cost $1 trillion.

Sorry, I think these military contractors aren't much different than Solyndra, and our debt is much more likely to destroy this country than a foreign invader. Conservatives can't have sacred cows if we're serious about slashing spending.

Obama will take the hit politically from whatever happens job wise as HE was the one that signed the sequester into law.

Posted by: McAdams at February 20, 2013 11:38 AM (K5srs)

103 Sven, I just don't see how McCain and the like will tolerate Hagel and sequester. They may tolerate one, but not both.

In a sane world, we would filibuster Hagel and go through with sequester since we know Obama will not propose any real spending cuts on our own.

But its likely that we are going to get screwed on both.

Unless Boehner is just playing a genius rope-a-dope strategy.

Posted by: SH at February 20, 2013 11:38 AM (gmeXX)

104 Cut the Welfare state and the Military Industrial Complex.

Posted by: Be Happy at February 20, 2013 11:38 AM (udRDY)

105 OT: DHS Supplier Sells Targets of American Gun Owners

http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/dhs-supplier-sells-targets-of-american-gun-owners/

Posted by: ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ at February 20, 2013 11:38 AM (Vk2pI)

106 well back to my grandson and play dough....much more productive than this BS congress shell game. They ALL truly and thoroughly disgust me. Why oh why couldn't that meteor have landed in DC?

Posted by: kawfytawk at February 20, 2013 11:38 AM (qdzWt)

107
Boehner is inocluating himself against the very real possibility that something very bad actually will come out of these cuts, some real pain, and the Donkmedia willtake anything he says that diminishes the seriousness of sequestration and jam it up his ass.

He's actually doing something smart here and some of us are too naturally prickly to recognize it.

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 20, 2013 11:38 AM (r5w1L)

108 sven, that's the point I guess, I have no patience for folks who claim to work for me, when they patently do not. At this stage, mind you, I largely agree--what he should do and what he will do are two entirely different things.

I could have respected him if he'd tried to fight, even with the odds against. I suspect the electorate would, too. Instead he's just weak all around.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 20, 2013 11:38 AM (GBXon)

109 The GOP plan: Let's all have a good cry.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 20, 2013 11:38 AM (XUKZU)

110 What the F is wrong with the Party of Stupid?!

Do they all secretly invest in blood pressure medication and say this sh!t to cause mine to go up? 18D chess, my buttocks.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at February 20, 2013 11:39 AM (X/+QT)

111 Please, will the resident AoSHQ apologist, NOT apologize for Boner this time?

Sheesh, the man is hopeless and hapless.

I saw King Zero Dark Squirty for a few minutes yesterday saying how raising taxes on the top 1% was going to fix everything. Even if we took every single dime and diamond owned by the top 1%, it would not be enough money, but, the Press Corp just nods like bobble head dolls and the Pubbies do NADA.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 20, 2013 11:39 AM (kXoT0)

112 Just print more $100s

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 20, 2013 11:39 AM (8sCoq)

113 So the argument is that low-info voters will read the WSJ article by Boehner and read into the subtext that Obama's the hero on sequestering when they otherwise would have been on the GOP's side.

DrewM, I think you and Byron York are overthinking the LIV.

In fact, if Obama came out and said he was going to have to decimate (literally) those on the welfare rolls to avoid sequester, the LIV would complain that the GOP is against mass murder only to support their greedy rich fatcat buddies.

I don't think LIVs are even going to hear about the Boehner op-ed and if they do (maybe Jon Stewart will pull a face or something) they won't hear any details about it. They'll take away the same "meanie Boehner" and "nice guy who manages to screw up anything he touches because of the GOP Obama" they always get, sans details.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 11:39 AM (T0NGe)

114 Whatever happens, Michelle's vacation fund must not be touched!

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 20, 2013 11:40 AM (XUKZU)

115
OT: DHS Supplier Sells Targets of American Gun Owners



A kid target?!?! A pregnant woman target??? WTF?

Do they want to go there?!?!?!

Posted by: EC at February 20, 2013 11:40 AM (GQ8sn)

116 My God - the Repulicans have yet to catch on? O wants no solutions - he only creates crisis after crisis with no resolutions and NEVER a plan of his own. Here is crisis XX. Obama offers no plan to solve. Politico & The Hill write an article that claims Obama has phoned the Republicans but no one answered. The cable news shows and networks all echo the same. A prop team is invited tomthe White House and Obama gives a campaigh speech. The senate offers a plan to raise more taxes to solve the crisis. Then Boehner offers a last minute plan that includes killing women & children & minorities. The media echoes and Obama goes on vacation.

Posted by: Drivingtheview at February 20, 2013 11:40 AM (nj91I)

117
Oh, I'm not going to read all this nonsense. As far as I'm concerned, until shown otherwise, I'm going to assume they've identified the source of the problem: those darned, meddling Tea Party kids.

Solution: get rid of same.

Rince, lather, repeat.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 20, 2013 11:41 AM (TOk1P)

118 Sometimes you have to let a crisis pass. Of course many of us have advocated that since Tarp.

Posted by: SH at February 20, 2013 11:41 AM (gmeXX)

119 I'm going to keep saying it until everyone gets it.

1. They aren't real cuts. They are reductions in the rate of spending.

2. Even if they were real, they would amount to about 85 billion--roughly the amount of the Hurricane Sandy relief package they JUST PASSED. 2012 federal spending was 3.6 trillion. It's a drop in the bucket... but actually it's only the illusion of a drop in the bucket. Please refer to point number 1.

Who fucking cares?!!! Both sides are lying to you. We're arguing over NOTHING. It doesn't matter one fucking bit whether Boehner "caves" or not because the cuts aren't real.


Posted by: Warden at February 20, 2013 11:42 AM (0DlnM)

120 This is all bullshit.

First, the sequestration provisions are not "cuts" in spending. They are decreases in the rate of growth from one year to another. Under sequestration, each department will spend more each year than it did in the previous one.

Second, even if these were true cuts in spending, they are meaningless. Last year federal spending was $3.5 trillion. The proposed "cuts" this year are $85 billion.

Translated into understandable numbers: If a family spent $35,000 in 2012, the sequestration would result in that family being able to spend $34,150 in 2013 - a "cut" of only $850.

Big. Fucking. Deal.

Posted by: angler at February 20, 2013 11:42 AM (SwjAj)

121 Just print more $100s



Back to the platinum coin.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 20, 2013 11:42 AM (GFM2b)

122 103 SH,

Juan Queeg has no problem with Hagel....

He wants his cake and to eat it too...

when McCain's wife Lindsay is wearing the man pants you know the score...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 11:42 AM (LRFds)

123
There is one simple question. Why don't the Pubs call this mess the:

"Obama Sequester"?


Simple.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2013 11:42 AM (1Y+hH)

124 "Shoving a rook up your ass doesn't mean you're playing chess.


Posted by: Warden at February 20, 2013 11:22 AM (0DlnM)"



I'm hoping this comment comes through as I need to inform you that you're responsible for replacing my monitor.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2013 11:43 AM (yCvxi)

125 Look at that Fightin' John Boehner! He's our hero! I hate those TruCons always bitching about the GOP! Look at how valiantly he jousts Obama!

Ace is right! Fuck the Tea Party! They photoshopped Karl Rove, the ignorant redneck bastards!

Posted by: MadisonConservative at February 20, 2013 11:43 AM (Y/HG5)

126 Posted by: McAdams at February 20, 2013 11:38 AM (K5srs)

The problem isn't cutting the military, it is what gets cut in the military. They are already grounding two aircraft carriers after decommissioning 1. They are killing all predeployment raining and discharging personnel.


Yet they will not kill any unneeded base or get congress out of the procurement racket. You blame the "evil" contractors. Yes some of them are crooked. That is usually the small ones. But the MAJOR reason the procurement process is so broken is CONGRESS.

Posted by: Vic at February 20, 2013 11:43 AM (53z96)

127

Got to take main squeeze to dentist.


Ramble on, Morons....like Led Zeppelin.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2013 11:43 AM (1Y+hH)

128
Obama wants to create political chaos, which his particular political technique for getting what he wants.

It is hard for any rational adult to grasp this, we keep looking for "deeper motives". The Media does not apply any kind of logic or honest skepticism to anything that happens anymore. But chaos is his game.

So Obama creates chaos everywhere, and his ultimate ambition is to get more political power to do more of what he wants, so he will continue to create more chaos. Having to lie serially and repeatedly is a feature, not a bug, because the end justifies the means. And Obama is a pathological liar just like Hillary, and that's why they appear to get along, when Obama is not giving her the finger.

Whether you think Boehner is a total dick, worthless or whatever, he has to deal with this mountain of chaotic shit that Obama is rejoicing in creating, and the Media smears all over itself and callshim wonderful.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at February 20, 2013 11:43 AM (RFeQD)

129 Ah, Byron York, fanboy of Byron York.

I am a little sick of the duplicity. York criticizes Boehner for not speaking up. Then when Boehner finally does, he criticizes what he says.

Sure, that's constructive Byron you dweeb.

I am not stating that Boehner's piece is perfect. But Obama seems more reasonable in comparison? Really- using what perspective? Is there some super-secrety decoder glasses I can use? Please share them.

Oh, I get it. It's the first responders who really won't be affected by the sequester as structured, but serve as good props? No wait, it's the fact the sequester will only (as per the GAO) result in $44 billion this year (not $85 billion?

Give me a break. $44 billion on a $6 trillion dollar budget is a rounding error.

This is the internecine nonsense that drives me nuts. I think Boehner for once got about 60% right.

York? He serves another swirly.

Posted by: Marcus at February 20, 2013 11:43 AM (GGCsk)

130 The US Military has become an arm of the welfare state. Cut it!

Posted by: Be Happy at February 20, 2013 11:43 AM (udRDY)

131 Warden/Angler - I agree that these cuts are basically meaningless. I don't care, I want to see some cuts.

Posted by: SH at February 20, 2013 11:44 AM (gmeXX)

132 115 EC,

It's coming.....

My dad has a tally sheet he carries going back 58 years...

I made it a point in my life not to be as wrathful as he is, but I have the same instincts....

making a list, checking it twice.....

if all hell breaks loose there's some newsies who will be missing lower jaws.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 11:44 AM (LRFds)

133
The repubs have got to STOP banking on the intelligence of the American people, because there is none.

Posted by: Berserker at February 20, 2013 11:33 AM (FMbng)


It's partially that, but it's more the general public's attention span for political matters is very short. We've discussed it around here quite a bit. We are interested in politics, the reasons why, the workings of things ... whereas most people are simply not.
The Republicans need to do battle with sharper weapons if they want to win over some public opinion. Narrow it down, make the issues very simple and very understandable at a glance. If it can't be done, fucking make something up that's more or less right. We're fighting against an opponent who knows this and does this, and we keep putting ourselves on losing ground.

Posted by: Heralder at February 20, 2013 11:45 AM (+xmn4)

134 Boehner's next piece should be much simpler.

Mr. President, we propose a straightup trade repeal of Obamacare for repeal of Sequester.

Posted by: SH at February 20, 2013 11:45 AM (gmeXX)

135 128 CJ Burch,

It's past that John Boehner needs to shut the fuck up and simply say "King Putt is across the fucking street"

just like that....

LITERALLY just like that.

Let Barry burn it all down and laugh at him....

mock his voters while he lights the matches.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 11:45 AM (LRFds)

136 Ace up

Posted by: Vic at February 20, 2013 11:46 AM (53z96)

137 107

Boehner is inocluating himself against the very real possibility
that something very bad actually will come out of these cuts, some real
pain, and the Donkmedia willtake anything he says that diminishes the
seriousness of sequestration and jam it up his ass.

He's actually doing something smart here and some of us are too naturally prickly to recognize it.

Posted by: spongeworthy

I agree, I'm not a Boehner fan and I'd like to see him replaced, but I think there is a good cop, bad cop dynamic going on and he's positioning himself for the fallout. The cuts will be a big headwind to the economy, possibly putting us in a double dip.

Boehner could have made Obama a one term President, but threw him a life preserver with the two year extension of the Bush tax cuts. For that sin alone he'll never have redemption in my eyes, but I actually think this is the smart play for once if that's what's going on.

Posted by: McAdams at February 20, 2013 11:46 AM (K5srs)

138 Boehner (and his ilk) have given up on conservatives actually running anything. They're trying to put up just enough token resistance to seem to the GOP rank and file like they're not completely useless. Meanwhile, they're giving the wink, nod, and occasional HJ to the Democrats, hoping for good treatment (for them, not us) when Pelosi retakes the gavel. (I threw up in my mouth a little while writing that.)

I agree that the biggest lesson of November is that you can't ignore the day-to-day BS, as much a shiny object politics infuriates those of us who see Rome burning and are desperately trying to put it out. But I believe some voters like to reward commitment to principle. For all his many flaws, the President is committed to advancing socialism by any means necessary. Whereas Romney, Boehner, and so many other Republicans come off as people who are only interested in getting elected.

Posted by: MikeJ at February 20, 2013 11:46 AM (Us4M2)

139 It's time to remember two things:

1) This was delayed to give congress a chance to pass a budget. The idea was no budget then sequestration. There is no budget.

2) Remember the conservative or at least Republican pundits telling us back in late December and early January that now that Boner had caved on raising taxes that the pressure would be transferred to Obama to cut spending? Where are those spending cuts? Where is that pressure?

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 20, 2013 11:46 AM (XUKZU)

140 I'll know they're serious when they begin to cut hundreds of billions of dollars from the budget



until then, I'll assume they're only in it for the perks of office- gin, hookers, that sort of thing

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 20, 2013 11:46 AM (8sCoq)

141 >>Warden/Angler - I agree that these cuts are basically meaningless. I don't care, I want to see some cuts.

"Don't just stand there, do something." Even if something is meaningless? Isn't that the sort of thinking that got us here?

And again, they aren't cuts. Under sequestration, each year more will be spent than in the previous year.

Posted by: angler at February 20, 2013 11:47 AM (SwjAj)

142 126 Vic,

and....?

Stupidity is its own reward...gonna be a coastal town that takes the hit and I for one welcome it....

the moonbats cheered AQ on 9/11 and soon thereafter I am cheering Ogabe setting up a magic trick that will make 9/11 look like a 5 year old's palmed nickle as a "magic trick"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 11:48 AM (LRFds)

143 Boners an idiot. It's that simple.

Posted by: Bosk at February 20, 2013 11:49 AM (n2K+4)

144 139 Walrus Rex,

The media and the little Chicago Pothead as puppy are where the pressure's at....

IOW there never will be any.....

burn it down

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 11:49 AM (LRFds)

145 I saw today's top rated Youtube of two 10 year old girls fighting.

Not just fighting. But being egged on by "adults".

So I am pretty sure before and virus or asteroid gets us. Stupidity will.

Posted by: Marcus at February 20, 2013 11:49 AM (GGCsk)

146 Though the sequester is not really 'cuts' and not that large in yearly terms anyway, it does still hurt the military the most.

That said, the military could benefit from a little financial housecleaning. Waste is not as bad as it used to be but its still something that needs to be addressed. Unfortunately the type of cost cutting and waste elimination ideas that will be proposed are not the types that would be on the top of my list.

The F-35 is a boondoogle while they cut the F-22 whose production costs are not as reported since the development costs get lower with each plane built. These are the types of moves that aggravate the hell out of me.

Posted by: polynikes at February 20, 2013 11:49 AM (m2CN7)

147
You can bet your ass the media will run story after story of the unfortunates who are now laid off due to the sequester. Bet that Obama will finagle every department into the most visible and painful cuts so the Eloi can see the devastation caused by the slightest cut in spending.

And you guys want Boehner to downplay these cuts? When do you intend to learn something? If you want to play it smart, you make Obama own the sequester, which is a battle we are winning, and you point to his lack of leadershipin trying to solvethis. Downplaying the cuts is a sure loser.

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 20, 2013 11:50 AM (r5w1L)

148 You are going to see the JEF on TV a lot, more and more.

On good authority, I am told he sought advice from conservatives about why Reagan was able to get what he wanted accomplished and that one of the responses he received was that Reagan took his case to the American people.

Whether or not he was told that these were policies that had actual benefits for all Americans regardless of party, I don't know.

What I do know, and what I am seeing, is this JEF grabbing the megaphone.

But, keep in mind, it is a matter of faith on the left that the Reagan years were dark and dangerous for all Americans, that his policies were all bad.

So, telling him that Reagan succeeded because he took his case to the people tells him what he wanted to hear--lie to them and lie some more.

The JEF wants another "big get" for his second term. And the time is now, this year.

It is going to get worse. Much worse.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 20, 2013 11:51 AM (VjL9S)

149 So Obama creates chaos everywhere, and his ultimate ambition is to get more political power to do more of what he wants, so he will continue to create more chaos. Having to lie serially and repeatedly is a feature, not a bug, because the end justifies the means.

He is like The Joker, except that he is more organized.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 20, 2013 11:52 AM (T0NGe)

150 If Boehner had any brains his article would have been much shorter.

"Its your goddamn plan Hussein. Why did you waste the people's time crafting it in the first fucking place?'

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at February 20, 2013 11:52 AM (UU0OF)

151 147 spongeworthy,


I would have believed that except I spent the last few days on the road listening to folks....

they can't remember Ogabe is the author and they really are talking about "watergate II Rubio drinks"


fuck 'em....

if Boner is playing smart wonderful....if not who cares....

I'm done saving the drunk from wrecking his car...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 11:53 AM (LRFds)

152 Boehner is a bleary eyed chain-smoking drunk.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 20, 2013 11:55 AM (wbmaj)

153 35 Will the Honey BooBoo low-info voters read Boehner's column at all? Or are they more likely to get their news in isolated little sound bites LOLcatsfrom the State Run Media their Facebook feeds .

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Fixt

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at February 20, 2013 11:55 AM (FzhYM)

154 This White House owns the messaging, all of it.

The descent into the universe Obama seeks will be so padded with bread and circuses, the mob will not feel anything but pure joy, knowing that The King has vanquished all the nasty Republicans.

Free stuff rules! There is no other message.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at February 20, 2013 11:56 AM (ndp2I)

155 #1 He's already dead-scalped-mutilated-and left for the vultures.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 20, 2013 11:56 AM (wbmaj)

156 43 Either Boehner's on board with LiB, or he's just a dummy. 50/50 odds at this point.

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Your unwarranted optimism confuses and annoys me.

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at February 20, 2013 11:58 AM (FzhYM)

157 What, exactly, is the problem with what Boehner wrote?

The public isn't going to be convinced that the sequester cuts are a good thing. Not after 24 x 7 coverage about The Horror.

This is politics 201- if it is your intent to take an unpopular action, you claim you're actually against it, but have no choice because the other side forced your hand.

Does anyone really think the sequester cuts represent the most ideal, perfect way to cut spending? Are you so ridiculously desperate to blame an Establishment Boogeyman that you're ready to pillory Republicans for agreeing with you?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2013 11:59 AM (SY2Kh)

158 I'm more worried about those cuts in the Senate budget that the media has been talking about.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at February 20, 2013 12:00 PM (X/+QT)

159 @105 - interesting that all those targets are white people.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 20, 2013 12:01 PM (xjpRj)

160 Threatening a veto, Obama asked Congress to reach a bi-partisan solution
that would put the country’s debt situation on a sustainable path to
recovery. “I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic
spending cuts,” said Obama from the White House’s briefing room, adding
“the only way to get rid of those cuts is to get Congress to come
together and work on a deal.”

Forbes 11 21 2011

Posted by: lizzie bordon at February 20, 2013 12:05 PM (nqBYe)

161 Obama told reporters he would veto any attempt to get rid of the
automatic cuts which are set to kick in as a part of the sequester
proposition, which will be triggered unless Congress reaches over the
next year.

Posted by: lizzie bordon at February 20, 2013 12:07 PM (nqBYe)

162 tfg, gets away with outright lying year after year.



sick.of.it

Posted by: lizzie bordon at February 20, 2013 12:09 PM (nqBYe)

163 Since when do we have Federal teachers?

Posted by: CozMark at February 20, 2013 12:09 PM (JeBIy)

164 When people don't notice anything after they force the "reduction in increased spending", then both sides are going to look dumber than they already do.

Posted by: Roy at February 20, 2013 12:19 PM (VndSC)

165 'Sorry, I think these military contractors aren't much different than Solyndra,'

Except in the end, we get some planes and not a toxic waste site to clean up.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at February 20, 2013 12:19 PM (UU0OF)

166 All viewers of Honey Boo-Boo hear is....Everyone agrees sequester is
bad, Obama has a plan to stop it, Republicans are saying no to that
plan.






Just go with the My Cousin Vinny response, Everything that guy just said is bullshit.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 20, 2013 12:20 PM (1Jaio)

167
If there are "first responders" who are dependent on federal funding, then they should not have jobs.
Same for police.
Same for teachers.
FYNQ.

Posted by: Jay at February 20, 2013 12:21 PM (3LaGb)

168 How stupid is Boehner?

Use the same language against TFG.

Point out that the sequester was his ruinous idea because his lawless Democratic Senate refuses to pass a budget as required by law.

Offer repeal of sequester for repeal of the job-killing middle-class- destroying disaster Obamacare.

How fucking hard is this?

Posted by: naturalfake at February 20, 2013 12:21 PM (j2lYi)

169
'Sorry, I think these military contractors aren't much different than Solyndra
=============
Uh, newsflash: The US government doesn't build ships, planes, tanks, bombs, tactical vests, rifles, bullets, sattelites, drones, etc.
The US government owns zero plants to do such things. Want to take a stab at who does such things?

Posted by: Jay at February 20, 2013 12:26 PM (3LaGb)

170 Fuck him. That's it, just fuck him and the horse he rode in on. So sick of him getting away with being the most incompetent, unqualified, overall useless President in the history of our Nation.

He wanted the Sequester, ram it down his throat, remind the public daily that King Putt decides what gets cut, and that ALL ramifications of that should be taken out of his useless ass.

Posted by: acethepug at February 20, 2013 12:27 PM (l/NFX)

171 Does anyone know if the government has fired any employee? In the early years of the administration they were hiring while everyone else was firing. The government employee has not experienced the trauma that private sector employees have experienced. There are college educated American workers with experience who have been fired, hired and fired again, sometimes 5 or 6 times over the last four years. Public employees have no worries and absolute job security. Washington and environs is booming, the housing market is fine, the restaurants are packed, people there have been shielded from their own policies.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 20, 2013 12:27 PM (/b8+5)

172 Problem is: Dems treat all policy making as a game. It's all politics, posturing, grandstanding, emotional commitment. When Repubs try to match them at this 'game', they fail miserably, because they're bad at it. We're good at policies that achieve something. But noon wants to listen to a Paul Ryan, or dissect Simpson-Bowles, and nod in agreement. The public wants Oprah-tized soundbites and feel-goody platitudes.

The only thing that will save this country is a mass realization that the public has been taking it in the rear for 8 years, and a ball-busting approach akin to Ted Cruz to set us on the right course again. No more Mr. Nice Guy. No more tricky maneuvers. They don't work.

Posted by: red speck at February 20, 2013 12:28 PM (9/Ug/)

173 Note: The election was last November and sequestration is in March, and the next election will be when again?

So yeah, I can see why the House Republicans aren't too worried about this. If the voters aren't worried about there being no budget for the past few years they aren't going to care about this. And if 10% can't be trimmed off of a deficit of $1 trillion, then nothing can be done.

So sequester away.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at February 20, 2013 12:32 PM (hLRSq)

174 How come the republicans can't seem to get across the fact that the sequester came from the democratic side of the aisle?

Cause the democratic campaign is still going on, the emails are still coming, only it's been turned around to support their ideas everywhere. There are posts that come out of no where on forums that criticize the republicans and then get filled with anti republican rhetoric. Do the republicans run an internet operation to find these random anti republican posts and counteract them?

No, they don't. They don't even know they exist.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 20, 2013 12:35 PM (/b8+5)

175 163 CozMark,

Oh we do, you bet we do...

DoD has 'em so does the State Dept....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 20, 2013 12:46 PM (LRFds)

176 And this is what the Tea Party gets for playing within the system.

Nothing. Might be something to remember.

Posted by: 5. at February 20, 2013 01:01 PM (ZTSdt)

177 What does sequester actually mean?

So government employees don't' work for a while but then get all the money back in the end? So what was gained by sequestering?

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 20, 2013 01:06 PM (/b8+5)

178 Byron York is over thinking. The piece is set up a recap about the sequester. The headline of the piece sets it up well.

Posted by: mikey at February 20, 2013 01:12 PM (/sMZ6)

179 Put Newt on this. Have him shadow Obama and respond to. his high drama lies and threats. If nothing else it will produce high pitched wailing from Obama and his media.

Posted by: gracepmc at February 20, 2013 01:56 PM (rznx3)

180 "This is politics 201- if it is your intent to take an unpopular action, you claim you're actually against it, but have no choice because the other side forced your hand."

Well there's several things wrong with lying your way out of showdowns. For one thing, you guys do it too often, and there's YouTube to catch you doing it.

For another, the March Sequester Showdown was touted as a victory for the GOP when Boehner caved on the fiscal cliff, a sort of strawberry creme on the turd. So it's kind of hard to holler 4 weeks later that Obama Obama Obama made him do it.

On top of that, you expect people to go out and urge friends and family to vote Republican come election day, and there you are being a stupid liar on Youtube and all, and it just makes us look silly.

I suppose if your target electorate is people who don't have the internet, can't remember 4 weeks back, and have no shame when it comes to family and friends, this is a winner.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 20, 2013 02:13 PM (0Bs6G)

181 I suppose if your target electorate is people who don't have the
internet, can't remember 4 weeks back, and have no shame when it comes
to family and friends, this is a winner.


The target electorate you just described represents about 85% of the voting public, so I'm cool with it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2013 02:28 PM (SY2Kh)

182 Border security, law enforcement, aviation safety and many other programs would all have diminished resources.
_____________________

Less money for border security? Oh, no! That means there may be less money to pay for those government employees (mainly ICE agents) who provide illegal aliens with their government-printed, Spanish-language brochures explaining how to sign up for food stamps and other welfare benefits, and assuring the illegals that signing up won't have any effect on their application for amnesty/citizenship.

It is racist and nativist and anti-Judeo-Christian to fail to provide illegal aliens with all the benefits of their lawlessness! After all the trouble and inconvenience they go through to break our laws, the least we can do is provide them with timely notice of all the taxpayer-funded benefits to which they are entitled!

Posted by: Observer at February 20, 2013 03:21 PM (/sohm)

183 The word, "seqester" is one of those words I don't like (and the meaning sucks as well to think of good people furloughed and without pay due to the spending habits of this preznit and Dimmycrats). It ranks up there with "wheelhouse" and "low hanging fruit" on my irritation scale.

I also don't like: pustule, carbuncle, hue, fulsome, mea culpa, and nihilist. I think I just described Kathleen Parker.

"Sequester" just sounds sort of body fluid-elimination-defecation-beginning of dysentery as a word squatting alone in the vocabulary of words I wish I did not have to hear again.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at February 20, 2013 06:17 PM (baL2B)

184 The sequester was Obama's idea. The Republican went along because they thought it was the only thing Obama would agree with. Now he has changed his conditions. He can say anything like, I am going to lay off your police and fire departments (even though he doesn't pay them). The media will repeat anything he says, and the average American who is stupid beyond all belief will believe what he says.

Posted by: burt at February 20, 2013 06:19 PM (/QJXp)






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