Yannow.... That Hilary Mantel Piece is Really Not an Attack on Kate Middleton

Or, it is, but it isn't quite that: it's an attack on the falseness of both the institution of the royal family and the British media's own falseness in depicting them, initially as Heroes, until they can figure out how to make them Villains.

Now, I have not read the entire piece, but based on a skim the things the Daily Mail & etc. pulled out of it are pretty much the only things about Kate Middleton; the rest is on royals through history, and pretense, and media, and so forth.

And how the monarchy doesn't really exist anymore except to provide some pleasing pictures for a doltish public that goes for such things.

Which is a statement as cruel as it is... true.

It's 3500 words.

She can be accused of being sharp-tongued and she did write the things she's quoted as saying; but the thrust of this is about the monarchy, not monarchists in particular, and not really about Middleton's looks. (Except to the extent she's saying the royals mold their Stepford Brides, and the media does as well, which may be tart but it's hardly out of bounds.)

Again, a few sentences out of 3500 words seems to be taking a little out with little context.

I'm going to change the earlier post about this, not because I want to hide the fact I got it wrong (I'm saying I got it wrong, and should have read) but because it's really pretty cruel.

Apologies for posting before reading, and then (for example) arguing with chique de afrique about it.

Posted by: Ace at 09:21 PM



Comments

1 First?

Posted by: Die Trying at February 19, 2013 09:24 PM (w7J/R)

2 Humility is a good thing, Acey. Good for you

Posted by: L, elle at February 19, 2013 09:25 PM (0PiQ4)

3 We can't all be expected to read 3500-word articles, Ace. It's not like it was a movie review.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 19, 2013 09:26 PM (5UlAL)

4 Well Mantel is still fugly, and Kate Middleton is still a sober fox, so what's the big deal here?

Posted by: wooga at February 19, 2013 09:27 PM (7SwK/)

5 We got a bunch a slow morons downstairs.

Posted by: L, elle at February 19, 2013 09:29 PM (0PiQ4)

6 Whew. Made it to Alexandria! Left my house at 3:45, arrived at the hotel at 8:45. So what all did I miss over the last five hours? Also....the hotel is nice enough, but their definition of high speed internet is looser than Sandra Fluke's cootch.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at February 19, 2013 09:29 PM (eyJh9)

7
Cruel?
Behind the anonymity of the Internet?

Shut the door, that never happens. This Mantel bitch is just putting you on. That 's what those snot- nosed Limeys are always doing. They tyrannized the idiot Micks for centuries, and now they can't even run their own country that's full of "southwest asian" muzzie dicks.

So let's not let this Internet anonymity encourage irresponsible use of the language and be unintentionally or even intentionally cruel.
Bitchez.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at February 19, 2013 09:29 PM (Md8Uo)

8 Never apologize. Never explain. And if they won't stop nagging you, threaten to go Colorado Democrat on their asses.

Posted by: Truman North at February 19, 2013 09:30 PM (I2LwF)

9
I like Kate Middleton. I think she Wills are a good match. It's refreshing to see their sweet affection for each other after the likes of Charles and his horse, Camilla, and Fergie Andrew et al. All those Royals who act like mules in horse harness. The woman who wrote that nasty piece is uglier than the Wookie. She has no business critisizing anyone's looks.

Posted by: ALH at February 19, 2013 09:31 PM (eqV3Q)

10 Never apologize. It's a sign of weakness.

Posted by: Captain Nathan Brittles at February 19, 2013 09:32 PM (Md8Uo)

11 halton manbear made dumb remarks about an attractive woman. close enough. frying bacon, feeding cats, don't really care about them.

Posted by: mallfly at February 19, 2013 09:32 PM (jDjlM)

12 Still fat

Posted by: Jean at February 19, 2013 09:32 PM (VHfsw)

13 Also, I really don't care about the royals one way or another, so I don't care about people writing about it.

Posted by: Truman North at February 19, 2013 09:33 PM (I2LwF)

14 Use the Left's excuse.

"I was merely presenting what I felt to be a greater truth"

They always seem to get away with it.

Posted by: ironbill at February 19, 2013 09:33 PM (Q+4Zh)

15


I like Kate Middleton.

Yes, and you can find pictures of her boobies on the internet! I can't, because crappy internet. But the rest of you bozos could at least describe them to me.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at February 19, 2013 09:33 PM (eyJh9)

16
Except maybe to Chicque d'Afrique, because she has a really cool nic and everything.

And it's good form to not be obnoxious to the Morons when they're right and you're wrong.

But otherwise, that never apologize thing works pretty well. It's the manly thing to do.

Posted by: Captain Nathan Brittles at February 19, 2013 09:34 PM (Md8Uo)

17
Listen, if she called them Stepford wives, then she is a hag. That is quite insulting. They are royals, they are supposed to comport themselves a certain way.

I still say it is a woman who is jealous.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2013 09:34 PM (p/cQy)

18 meh.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 19, 2013 09:34 PM (wR+pz)

19 Now that his brother has kids, does this mean Harry can go party with porn stars?

Posted by: Jean at February 19, 2013 09:34 PM (VHfsw)

20 The only royals i even think about are the ones who converted to islam like charles.

Stupid dhimmi handing the fucking country over to the muz

Posted by: Truman North at February 19, 2013 09:35 PM (I2LwF)

21 kind of like Rosie O'Donnell complaning about Laura Ingraham's looks

Posted by: mallfly at February 19, 2013 09:35 PM (jDjlM)

22 The royals aren't all fluff and lightweight. The queen was pretty standup during WWII, and Mountbatten was assassinated by the IRA.

Charles, well OK, he's an imbecile who should never be allowed with 100 miles of the throne...

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 19, 2013 09:35 PM (1rU+d)

23 Off with their heads. Royals? Give me a break.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 19, 2013 09:36 PM (wR+pz)

24 Fire can't melt stupid!

Posted by: Rosie O' Asshole at February 19, 2013 09:36 PM (Md8Uo)

25 So Mantel writes a lot of sharp but sensible attacks on the royals, and then throws in a few [banned word rhyming with stunty] lines about Kate Middleton. Ace mocks Mantel for those few lines, but now feels bad about it?

We can still mock David Frum around here, right? I mean the guy says a lot of valid things, and occasionally monumentally stupid things. Is Frum still an acceptable target? Is there some rule that assholes are off limits if they are also cursed with ugliness and physical handicaps beyond Frum's "butter tits"?

Posted by: wooga at February 19, 2013 09:37 PM (7SwK/)

26 Posted by: Captain Nathan Brittles at February 19, 2013 09:34 PM


I watched "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon" the other night, too.

Posted by: huerfano at February 19, 2013 09:37 PM (bAGA/)

27 In the good old days, Charles' brother, the one who flies fighter jets and bangs porn stars, would have smothered him with a pillow.

Posted by: Jean at February 19, 2013 09:37 PM (VHfsw)

28
But does any of that matter?
I mean COMMON!! The HOOSIERS just beat Michigan State in Michigan by four points and pretty much wrapped up a Regular Season Big Ten Championship in the process.

Posted by: MrObvious at February 19, 2013 09:37 PM (NlAiP)

29 Hilary Mantel Piece?

Posted by: rickl at February 19, 2013 09:38 PM (sdi6R)

30 >>>Listen, if she called them Stepford wives, then she is a hag. That is quite insulting. They are royals, they are supposed to comport themselves a certain way.

a perfectly understandable position if you're pro-royalty, which I'm personally not.

Posted by: ace at February 19, 2013 09:38 PM (LCRYB)

31
I so enjoyed Mantel's two books "Wolf Hall" and "Bring Up the Bodies" that I'll give her a pass on almost anything. BTW, anyone interested in political machinations and despotism should read those two books. I'm waiting with bated breath for the 3rd book in the trilogy.

I've been watching Netflix House of Cards and the corrupt congressman played by Spacey could be a modern incarnation of Thomas Cromwell.

Posted by: no name at February 19, 2013 09:38 PM (Q2wni)

32 Prince Harry is a warrior.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 19, 2013 09:39 PM (QLJPW)

33 >>>Ace mocks Mantel for those few lines, but now feels bad about it?

i'm kind of annoyed about being snookered by a british tabloid make-'em-up scandal.

Posted by: ace at February 19, 2013 09:39 PM (LCRYB)

34 She still homely. You got that part right.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 19, 2013 09:39 PM (QupBk)

35 Sticky Wicket at February 19, 2013 09:33 PM (eyJh9)

So round, so firm, so fully packed.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 09:39 PM (qyv02)

36 Britain would be worse off without the monarchy say 69% of respondents, while of 22% say the country would be better off. This 47-point royalist margin is the largest chalked up on any of the 12 occasions since 1997 on which ICM has previously asked the question.

http://is.gd/GYitYI

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 09:39 PM (8sCoq)

37 And for the record, I'm a frustrated monarchist. I would love to have a king worthy of the title and the power. Alas, none ever are.

I'll just have to stick with mob rule.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 19, 2013 09:41 PM (QupBk)

38 Charles doesn't have a brother.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 09:41 PM (qyv02)

39 The original House of Cards was much better, I've seen the Tudors which covers some of the same period,

Posted by: archie goodwin at February 19, 2013 09:41 PM (Jsiw/)

40
I would sooner go for the divine right of kings than the self-divined right of the SCOAMTT.
Kate's cute.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at February 19, 2013 09:41 PM (Sptt8)

41 >if you're pro-royalty, which I'm personally not.

Posted by: ace at February 19, 2013 09:38 PM (LCRYB)


wouldn't you say that is something for the people of the UK to decide?

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 09:41 PM (8sCoq)

42

Oh come..... the Royal have outlived their usefulness.???? That's a bit harsh.

Sure they've been down and out for a bit..... but they'll be back in form soon..... even tho they traded Zach Grienke a while back.

Posted by: Meghan McCain at February 19, 2013 09:41 PM (9MmIU)

43 >>>ritain would be worse off without the monarchy say 69% of respondents, while of 22% say the country would be better off. This 47-point royalist margin is the largest chalked up on any of the 12 occasions since 1997 on which ICM has previously asked the question.

so?

everyone is secretly pro-celebrity.

Posted by: ace at February 19, 2013 09:42 PM (LCRYB)

44 When the royals agreed to pay taxes and abide by common law; when charles changed his title from "defender of the faith" to "defender of faith"... God I just can't stand them

Except for Harry who seems to really enjoy being rich and famous

Posted by: Truman North at February 19, 2013 09:42 PM (I2LwF)

45 and the British media's own falseness in depicting them, initially as
Heroes, until they can figure out how to make them Villains.


...so Kate's the UK John McCain?


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking heavily at February 19, 2013 09:42 PM (hO8IJ)

46 I'd rather have Brit style royalty than the vile defacto post-Constitutional oligarch Democrat royalty we got now...

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 19, 2013 09:42 PM (1rU+d)

47 i'm kind of annoyed about being snookered by a british tabloid make-'em-up scandal.

Posted by: ace at February 19, 2013 09:39 PM (LCRYB)



As I understand it, the woman wrote an article in which, at least partly, she was snarky and bitchy. You jumped on her for that. Right?

I don't see a problem other than a slight misunderstanding/misconception of the article as a whole.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 19, 2013 09:42 PM (GEICT)

48 I never thought a smart military blog would be discussing trashy books on British Royals.


Must be a slow day at HQ.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 19, 2013 09:42 PM (wR+pz)

49 >>>wouldn't you say that is something for the people of the UK to decide?

well yeah, the question itself is fair, I just don't see how it's fair to gin up a She Said a Dirty Word controversy about someone opining on the Kings-are-silly side of it.

Posted by: ace at February 19, 2013 09:43 PM (LCRYB)

50 Except for Harry who seems to really enjoy being rich and famous

He seems to take the army thing seriously, too. I like that.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking heavily at February 19, 2013 09:43 PM (hO8IJ)

51 We have our own royalty. They're called Hollywood celebs. Now if we were smart like the French--well, you know what they did with their royalty. I keed, I keed!

Posted by: no name at February 19, 2013 09:43 PM (Q2wni)

52 Hamilton wanted America to have a king. He offered the job to the king of Prussia but the other founders rescinded the offer and spanked him for making it.

Posted by: Truman North at February 19, 2013 09:44 PM (I2LwF)

53 He seems to take the army thing seriously, too.

That's the job of second sons. Third sons go for Bishop.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 19, 2013 09:44 PM (QupBk)

54 >>>As I understand it, the woman wrote an article in which, at least partly, she was snarky and bitchy. You jumped on her for that. Right?

I mistakenly thought the article was about Kate Middleton's looks, which provoked my "Wait, what?" reaction.

It's not really about that, so there isn't a "Wait, what?"

Posted by: ace at February 19, 2013 09:44 PM (LCRYB)

55 Jethro Gibbs is going to be so disappointed in you ace.

Posted by: buzzion at February 19, 2013 09:44 PM (GULKT)

56 The fascist regime

Posted by: Sex Pistols at February 19, 2013 09:44 PM (QLJPW)

57 Mantel is an uncivil bitch. An uncivil ugly bitch. If she didn't have Royals to slag, she'd probably attack Kate Upton for making here feel inadequate. And she's not inadequate. Some crane, somewhere, is missing its counterweight.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 19, 2013 09:44 PM (29+x5)

58 >everyone is secretly pro-celebrity.

Posted by: ace at February 19, 2013 09:42 PM (LCRYB)

Ace, half my family lives in the UK. They do not see the royals as celebrities.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 09:44 PM (8sCoq)

59 55
Hamilton wanted America to have a king. He offered the job to the king
of Prussia but the other founders rescinded the offer and spanked him
for making it.

Posted by: Truman North at February 19, 2013 09:44 PM (I2LwF)


So that's why Burr shot his ass.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 19, 2013 09:44 PM (wR+pz)

60 I'd rather have Brit style royalty than the vile defacto post-Constitutional oligarch Democrat royalty we got now...

We'd save a lot of money.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking heavily at February 19, 2013 09:44 PM (hO8IJ)

61 I would split Kate Middleton like a tree stump that keyed my car but that's not the question.

Posted by: ace at February 19, 2013 09:45 PM (LCRYB)

62
Huerfano @ 26

I've watched that movie about a hundred times. It's one of my favorites. John Ford's "Cavalry trilogy" is great entertainment, and it's manly. And women that like it (like you) are really cool too.

Rio Grande
Fort Apache (the end is especially poignant and moving, when John Wayne sees the reflections of the lost troop in the window)
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon

and of course, The Searchers
(not part of the trilogy, but maybe the best movie Ford and Wayne ever made together)

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at February 19, 2013 09:45 PM (Md8Uo)

63 We'd save a lot of money.

Ain't it the truth. This Effin Guy. Arg.

**shakes head sadly**

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 19, 2013 09:45 PM (QupBk)

64 He seems to take the army thing seriously, too. I like that.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking heavily at February 19, 2013 09:43 PM (hO8IJ)



Have you seen the interview of him in Afghanistan? He bolts in the middle of it. Call comes in, he rips off the mic and takes off on a dead run for his helicopter.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 19, 2013 09:46 PM (GEICT)

65 I read enough to see that Mantel treated all these people as objects, and with disdain, even contempt for "the perfect wife, perfect mother."

It reminded me of the Glenn Reynolds paper linked earlier, in AoSHQ: "As Tim Wu recounted in 2007, a popular game in the U.S. Attorney¡¯s office in the Southern District of New York was to name a famous person ¨C Mother Teresa, or John Lennon --©\--©\ and decide how they could be prosecuted..."

Posted by: Die Trying at February 19, 2013 09:46 PM (w7J/R)

66 So long as a monarch is based on love, then I can agree. If it is based on hate, I could not support a monarch.

Monarchs who don't understand that there's obligation that comes with the power aren't monarchs for long. They wind up adorning lamp posts or with their head in a basket.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 19, 2013 09:47 PM (1rU+d)

67 One of the mistakes I think the Afghanss made was not reinstating the king. Lord knows they need something to rally around.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 19, 2013 09:48 PM (QupBk)

68
What about Moochelle Antoinette? A case of lese majesty should anyone disparage her?

Posted by: no name at February 19, 2013 09:48 PM (Q2wni)

69 then throws in a few [banned word rhyming with stunty] lines about Kate Middleton

But...there aren't any.

Some repeat-this-at-brunch filler in the LRB isn't really out-sophisticating the Morons, is it? That's a magazine for actual morons (with certain aspirations).

Jeez, guys.

...

Also: Off with their heads.

Posted by: oblig. at February 19, 2013 09:51 PM (cePv8)

70 And a rant at the fates if I may, 3 of my 4 local cars are down. The transmission on the truck is too cranky in the cold to drive, and the effin crankshaft position sensor A on the Camry is malfing and it won't run for more than a minute. And the Camry is blocking in my one working beater vehicle that I just put a new starter motor in. That leaves Mrs928's vibe to use and she's not parting with it. I'm afoot until the weekend.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 19, 2013 09:52 PM (QupBk)

71 @63

Getting that mall in Philly named after me was a nice consolation prize, though.

Posted by: The King of Prussia at February 19, 2013 09:52 PM (9F2c1)

72
Hitchensreferred to Prince Charles as "that chinless dauphin" which always made me chuckle. And he bashed him for being an admirer of Islam.

Posted by: no name at February 19, 2013 09:53 PM (Q2wni)

73 Maybe I can get the motorcycle to crank. I didn't even think of that until just now. Hmm.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 19, 2013 09:53 PM (QupBk)

74 Just like with the Borgias, which really follows Machiavelli's public relations for the most part, 'Malice of Fortune' follows the same path.

Posted by: archie goodwin at February 19, 2013 09:54 PM (Jsiw/)

75 Some really weird comments on this thread. Or is my snark meter broken?

Posted by: no name at February 19, 2013 09:55 PM (Q2wni)

76
I'm not pro-royalty either, but neither am I British.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2013 09:56 PM (p/cQy)

77 @ 75


Toby--what kind of trans in the truck?

Posted by: irongrampa at February 19, 2013 09:57 PM (SAMxH)

78 The four speed automatic. It's used up and the clutch doesn't want to engage when it's below 40. If you warm it up for half an hour, you can get it to move but it does the zerk sound thing.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 19, 2013 09:59 PM (QupBk)

79 A replacement trans is about $2k, and the bluebook on the truck is $495.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 19, 2013 09:59 PM (QupBk)

80 And dammit, I checked my email and AIM Surplus had hex receiver Mosins in stock at 4:29PM, and already sold out.

I wanted one of those.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 19, 2013 10:02 PM (QupBk)

81 This day has been a complete suck.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 19, 2013 10:02 PM (QupBk)

82 Omg. Ace mentioned my name in a post. *swoon*. He misspelled it, but still.

Posted by: chique d'afrique on her phone at February 19, 2013 10:03 PM (6zgse)

83 41 Charles doesn't have a brother.

Actually, he does. His brother is Prince Andrew, Duke of York.

Posted by: 80sBaby at February 19, 2013 10:03 PM (YjDyJ)

84
Of course you changed the fluid recently, right? Does sound like it's newer truck time, though.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 19, 2013 10:03 PM (SAMxH)

85 Of course you changed the fluid recently, right?

Yes, more than a bit burned too. The beast is just about done. The argument with Mrs928 is whether to ditch the truck and replace it's function with a utility trailer but I like the truck. I'm trying to find a good used transmission to put in since a new reman trans costs at least three times what the truck is worth.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 19, 2013 10:08 PM (QupBk)

86


and the effin crankshaft position sensor A on the Camry is malfing and it won't run for more than a minute.

Those things are easy to replace. Remove both rear wheels, the front passenger seat, the radio, the ashtray, the left side negativebattery cable...which is light red with dark pink stripes, radiator, and sunroof, then jack up the vehicle on the right front side precisely 18.34 inches. Seperate the transaxle from the engine, and discard. Reinstall the radiator backwards using proprietary tool T-3469-A-C111, torquing the clockwiseframisbolts to 35 hogsheads per kilo-hectare, then gently loosen the engine assembly with a sledgehammer. Next, while simultaneously touching your tongue to the positive and negative terminals of the battery, turn the key to ACC, while mashing the brake pedal at a 3/64 beat....kind of like Vanilla Ice's "Ice Ice Baby" played backwards at 78 RPM. Using your left knee, depress the accelerator pedal all the way to the floor, and remove the crankshaft position sensor, which is conveniently located in Reno.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at February 19, 2013 10:10 PM (eyJh9)

87
A reputable salvage yard should be the way to go there, in that case.

If the rest of the truck warrants ANY money being invested.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 19, 2013 10:10 PM (SAMxH)

88 A replacement trans is about $2k, and the bluebook on the truck is $495.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 19, 2013 09:59 PM (QupBk)


Buy a can of Trans-X, and dump it in the transmission, warm the truck up and drive it a few miles. The stuff contains a solvent that softens and swells the rubber O-ring seals in the servos. It's not a rebuild-in-a-can, but it may buy you a few months more use before the inevitable happens.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 19, 2013 10:10 PM (29+x5)

89 @88 Actually Charles has two brothers. Edward and Andrew. He also has a sister, Princess Anne. I forget which brother was married to Sarah Ferguson.

Posted by: no name at February 19, 2013 10:14 PM (Q2wni)

90 It was Andrew who married Sarah Ferguson, who turned out to be a very naughty girl.

Posted by: ALH at February 19, 2013 10:19 PM (eqV3Q)

91 If the rest of the truck warrants ANY money being invested.

It's a 1992. The frame and body are sound without rust, the interior is rough but watertight, and the big6 motor runs great. The trans is the only problem. If I can score a good used transmission for around $500, I'll put it in. Otherwise it's off to the junkyard I guess. But I want the alloy wheels and tires off of it in case I get another F150.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 19, 2013 10:19 PM (QupBk)

92 The archbishop of Canterbury defended sharia law. Hitchens remarked in regard to the Anglican religion-- "that's what you get when you found a church on the family values of Henry VIII."

Posted by: no name at February 19, 2013 10:23 PM (Q2wni)

93 94 @88 Actually Charles has two brothers. Edward and Andrew. He also has a sister, Princess Anne. I forget which brother was married to Sarah Ferguson.

You are right- (1) Charles, (2) Anne, (3) Andrew, and (4) Edward. Andrew was married to Sarah Ferguson and Edward is married to Sophie Rhys-Jones.

Posted by: 80sBaby at February 19, 2013 10:24 PM (YjDyJ)

94 @95 Yes, a saucy wench, wasn't she? No wonder she didn't stay long in the royal preserve.

Posted by: no name at February 19, 2013 10:24 PM (Q2wni)

95 look at all the betas atwitter when they think one female is jealous of another. meantime i'd bet heavily not one of you would win any man-pageants. but no intra-male jealousy there, right? right.

Posted by: separate at February 19, 2013 10:25 PM (yrKiI)

96

A 92 tranny, especially used, from a U-Pull-It junk yard shouldn't cost too much, and if that's all your truck needs...and you're handy with tools, go for it. Bring some help with you...and stuff your pockets full of replacement fuses, and lightbulbs while you're at it.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at February 19, 2013 10:29 PM (eyJh9)

97 @100 I'd have to see naked photos of those beta malesof whom you refer. Got any? No? How about some omegas then? I'm not picky.

Posted by: no name at February 19, 2013 10:29 PM (Q2wni)

98 I confess I have not read the article. But the author seems to be saying that the royal family is a play the media produces in order to distract Britons from more important things. Sort of like a media that follows the Kardashians, or Manti Teo's imaginary girlfriends. It is a familiar story. So she has commited a thought crime by pointing this out and must be punished by the press. Also a familiar story

Posted by: thunderb at February 19, 2013 10:39 PM (Dnbau)

99 The true cost of the royal family explained:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFwfeature=fvsr

And if the Commons can seize Crown Lands after abolishing the monarchy (and winning the second Civil War it would start), that means they can seize any citizen's property.

And those that want to abolish the monarchy (Brit, Canadian or Aussie) are the equivalent to your dicks who think your constitution is a dead document written by old, dead white men and needs to be fucking replaced/improved. (See the NYT a few weeks ago.)

It's also as much a part of a system of checks and balances to prevent dictatorship from arising as the division of powers in your constitution is meant to work.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 19, 2013 10:46 PM (ORGYc)

100 And how the monarchy doesn't really exist anymore except to provide some pleasing pictures for a doltish public that goes for such things.

Which is a statement as cruel as it is... true.



Richard to the third.

Posted by: nip at February 19, 2013 11:01 PM (11Tdq)

101 I read in a gossip rag that if Kate and William have a little girl, they will name her Diana! What an Eff You to the Queen and Charles that would be!!

Posted by: Jmel at February 19, 2013 11:02 PM (9tSXa)

102 That bicyclist article missed one big point, which was demonstrated beautifully in the comments. It's not just that they ignore the rules and that people hate them due to "punitive altruism," it's also that any public criticisms of cyclists immediately bring out the sanctimonious fucktards of that group. The assholes can never admit that they are an annoyance.

Posted by: taylork at February 19, 2013 11:13 PM (ppNDn)

103 It was obvious based on the quotes you had posted that she wasn't really commenting on Kate's appearance. Hopefully those commenters who blindly agreed have learned something. But based on your recent posts about people being intellectually lazy..we can't have too much hope.

Posted by: Crispian at February 19, 2013 11:44 PM (zO4K8)

104 Bullcrap. She spent paragraphs droning on about how shallow valid, and useless a woman SHE'S NEVER MET OR EVEN TALKED TO is... which is entirely craptastic and entirely based on hating her FOR HER LOOKS and no other reason.

She has never met Kate, so she can't actually know her personality, or actions, or thoughts or anything outside of appearance BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ELSE... she's just attacking her based on a glance and some pictures THEN pretending it was something else.

The first article was accurate; this is pretending that the attack was something else (as the author wants).

Bullshit.

Posted by: gekkobear at February 20, 2013 12:02 AM (FVPws)

105 Repeating yourself and pounding the table isn't a convincing argument. The point -which you continue to ignore - is that the writer was commenting on the image of the royalty (including Kate) cultivated by the media and the royals themselves. As individual people with thoughts and feelings it is rude/harsh to say rude/harsh things about them. (Duh).

But why you labor under a delusion that the royalty - as royalty - are just regular people I have no idea. If you look at the article - or even just the earlier posted quotes - it's obvious the commentary is on image - not that Kate is ugly. You fail to see the larger commentary being made, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I honestly could care only a little less about the whole thing.

Kate is fairly attractive and quite possibly a nice person - but then I've never known her as a regular person. I have no real feelings one way or another. You may feel differently about the whole argument - that the royals are exactly what they appear to be. But then engage in that argument (with anyone who cares). Now stop being so daft.

Posted by: Crispian at February 20, 2013 12:43 AM (zO4K8)

106 Since I'm able to read, I read the whole thing.

It's actually the OPPOSITE of an attack on Kate Middleton: it's a plea to the media and public to try not to turn her into simply royal quim, as they did to Diana and to Ann Boleyn, Boleyn's time being the focus of Mantel's two historical novels (both quite the best of their kind I've ever read), and Diana Sinclair being someone Mantel, like many Brit women of her age did, identified with.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at February 20, 2013 05:18 AM (21TJo)

107 Also, Mantel doesn't judge the monarchy; she poses some questions, then backs away by saying, quote: "I don't know" what point or use the monarchy might serve. She's not being coy; she's being candid.

She also speaks/writes about evidence, admittedly largely speculative, that Henry VIII may have had a blood type called "Kells positive", since both the pattern of the various pregnancies he caused and his own later life fit. She's likewise cautious about that diagnosis across 500 years.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at February 20, 2013 05:22 AM (21TJo)

108 9 "The woman who wrote that nasty piece is uglier than the Wookie. She has no business critisizing anyone's looks."

Mantel doesn't criticize Middleton at all; if anything, she's showing envy for her thinness.

You should know also that Mantel's appearance now is entirely different from what she looked like young. In her mid to late 20s, Mantel started suffered from endometriosis, nasty on its own since it involves uterian cells invading the rest of her body and taking up house-keeping where they're not meant to be, displacing all sorts of healthy tissue. To make it worse, she was misdiagnosed, repeatedly, for something like 15 years, by which time the disorder had scarred her permanently.

There is a silver lining: believing her complaints were psychosomatic, her husband dumped her and they were divorced. But after she was properly diagnosed and a proper course of treatment instituted to save her life, they got back together and remarried. Meanwhile, her isolation allowed her to grow as a writer: she's written at least half a dozen first rate novels and a terrific memoir about her upbringing in a spectacularly dysfunctional family.

There isn't anyone writing in the English language today who writes better novels that she does. She's the first woman to win the prestigious Man Booker Prize, the second won was almost conceded, and I have no doubt whatsoever that she'll be the first writer of either gender to win a third, in about two years when she's completed her trilogy on the life and times of Thomas Cromwell -- Thomas, not Oliver. She's completely remaking Cromwell's reputation into something of a "most interesting man in the England of the 1500s".

Cromwell was a butcher's son, from Putney, a low place then of tradesmen, bars and hookers. Cromwell's father had mental problems and nearly killed his son several times; Cromwell ran away from home, and England too, at 11. He joined armies, fought in wars, was hired into a banking family house in Italy where he learned international finance -- as a teenager -- and left there to earn his own fortune in the wool industry in Flanders, France and then England. He was hired as business agent to the Archbishop of Canterbury, and after that guy died, within a few years he was commissioned by Henry VIII to run England. He gathered in almost all the king's commissions over trade and commerce and effectively invented both the role of prime minister and the national government's bureaucratic class.

He was also an extremely early convert to and champion of Protestantism, despite his having served under the Archbishop, and when Henry sought to divorce his first queen, it was Cromwell who built the first version of an institutionalized Protestant church. Without Cromwell, we don't get the Anglican church, and we might not have gotten Episcopalians or English Protestantism either; England could well have remained a Catholic country, and Protestantism would have been an entirely foreign development.

His connection to Oliver is a bit more remote than at first sight. When his wife's sister's husband died, he took care of both her and her family, including adopting her children as his own. His adopted son was one of Oliver's great-grandfathers.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at February 20, 2013 05:47 AM (21TJo)

109 Mantel is a brilliant writer. I thought the article was really so enlightening. Especially the observations about Henry VIII's reign and all the wombs involved in that disaster.

Posted by: Janetoo at February 20, 2013 05:55 AM (R+fMx)

110 She still looks like Pennywise.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 20, 2013 09:03 AM (hTDbY)

111
"I like Kate Middleton."

"Yes, and you can find pictures
of her boobies on the internet! I can't, because crappy internet. But
the rest of you bozos could at least describe them to me."

Wicket: They're nice. Royally nice boobs.

You are welcome.

Posted by: West at February 20, 2013 09:44 AM (1Rgee)

112 110 "She still looks like Pennywise."

She might well agree with you. She's written that she doesn't recognize the person in the mirror, caused by the ravages of 15 years of undiagnosed endometriosis and consequent loss of her ability to control her weight and water retention.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2272344/Hilary-Mantel-reveals-body___-issues.html

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at February 20, 2013 06:45 PM (21TJo)






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