Chuck Hagel: Israel Must Negotiate with Terrorist Organization Hamas

And other Deep Thoughts from our lightweight prettyboy.

Some good analysis from David Foster. Responding to Jonathan Chait's bafflement over why the wise, moderate Obama would nominate such a dangerous ignoramus, Foster answers:

[A]s far as old Bill Occam and I are concerned, the most plausible explanation for why President Obama nominated Chuck Hagel is that . . . he wanted to. He thinks Chuck Hagel will be effective in administering the national-security policy of candidate Obama circa 2007 or 2008, and even of President Obama circa 2009. And that’s the policy President Obama is interested in pursuing in his second term. In other words, the reason President Obama’s defense nominee sucks is that President Obama’s defense policy sucks.

While the earnestly consternated in the political middle don’t seem to get this, the Hagel cheerleaders on both of their political flanks do, and they’re super psyched about it. Where I see in Hagel a man whose ceiling as SecDef is ineffectual bumbler disliked by Pentagon lifers (and he has no floor), these nouveau-America-Firsters, left and right, see a man who will preside bravely over a gradual withdrawal of the United States from whole theaters of geopolitics — and they positively beam at the prospect. But they are missing something else. In their war fatigue, they have refused to reckon with Hagel’s record as a poor organizational leader and domineering, ineffective manager of people; with his amorphous views and tenuous grasp of policy detail; and with his unremarkable intellect.

They ignore all this because they naively and narrowly view Hagel as above all else an “anti-war” figure....

The alternative to Hagel isn’t “more war” or the well-groomed love child of Dick Cheney and the Jewish Lobby. It’s basic strategic competence. It’s a man equal to the dangerous world he’ll be asked to stand sentry over.

Maybe the best way to illustrate what the far left, far right, and dead center are missing about Hagel is with the following dilemma: Hagel’s foreign-policy views are clearly to the left of the president’s rhetoric for the last couple of years. That’s not even debatable.

I like how Foster cuts to the obvious. We don't do enough of that. There are so many commentators now, all vying to say something clever and counterintuitive, that the obvious (and usually accurate) answer is ignored 90% of the time.

That won't get you hits, after all. It's not clever. It doesn't demonstrate that you, the Maker of Theories, are clever yourself.

It doesn't advertise you.

Now, why on earth would Chuck Hagel insist that Israel negotiate with a group directly funded by Iran?

Well, Chuck Hagel's speaking gigs are funded by Iran, too.

That's not really clever. That's just the fact of it.

It's About Competence: And Hagel doesn't have it.

Posted by: Ace at 05:34 PM



Comments

1 Prettyboy? Get glasses.

Posted by: dogfish at February 19, 2013 05:36 PM (N2yhW)

2 Wasn't there some question about the ubersturmfuher taking contributions from Hamas? Was that question answered?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 05:37 PM (evdj2)

3 Wasn't there suppose to be another vote on him this morning? Did I miss it?

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2013 05:38 PM (X6akg)

4 Everything Obama does is for the purpose of destroying his opposition.

Hagel was chosen to divide the GOP and to make them look bad. It's as if Bush nominated the most hawkish Democrat possible.

But the GOP can't play this game as well as the Dems because we actually have an appreciable diversity of thought in our party, which means we have to compromise first among ourselves before with the Dems.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 19, 2013 05:38 PM (A6JfA)

5 I like how Foster cuts to the obvious. We don't do enough of that.
There are so many commentators now, all vying to say something clever
and counterintuitive, that the obvious (and usually accurate) answer is
ignored 90% of the time.

I think the reason it is ignored because it isn't obvious to 90% of them. And that is scary.

Posted by: dogfish at February 19, 2013 05:39 PM (N2yhW)

6 OK, lets cut to the obvious - The president has yet to even prove he's a citizen of this country. And no, forged I'd's only further prove he isn't. His life goal is to destroy the country and every decision he makes is done in furtherance of that goal.

Posted by: Whatev at February 19, 2013 05:40 PM (A7Wh1)

7 Chuck Hagel! Yeah, thats what I'm talking about, a real Republican. Damn Teaparty radicals. Damn them to hell!

Posted by: Karl Rove at February 19, 2013 05:41 PM (OlN4e)

8 Hagel is just a brainless lackey for his master.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 05:41 PM (UOM48)

9 Has it been said yet? Let it Burn. I don't know as that I'll be able to survive the next 4 years. This country needs an enema.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 19, 2013 05:41 PM (jucos)

10 PRETTY boy??? Lord, Ace, don't be drinkin' this early.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Bly, Azof, UK at February 19, 2013 05:41 PM (7v5Ct)

11 Someone should photoshop him in a nazi uniform, or just bring the real photo.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 19, 2013 05:42 PM (AWmfW)

12 Obama throws a former(?) GOP straw-man around -- doused in gasoline -- and lets him twist in the wind and the GOP is too stupid to put Hagel out of his misery?

I just don't get it. Must be eight dimension chess.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 19, 2013 05:42 PM (feFL6)

13 If Hagel passes on a straight party vote, does that limit the ability of the MFM to link his alleged Republicanist past to his sure-to-be woeful performance?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 05:42 PM (evdj2)

14 I like Chuck Hagel so much, I'd let him pork me up the ass!

Posted by: Karl Rove at February 19, 2013 05:42 PM (OlN4e)

15
Hagel is the perfect scapegoat for Barky and the Dems.

They want to be able to blame him for their failures, and further demoralize the R's.

If Hagel doesn't realize this...then he is an idiot.
If he *does* realize this...and is going along with it...then he is despicable.

Posted by: wheatie at February 19, 2013 05:43 PM (DZbQ0)

16 O/T Here's one more Pippa pic for the morons:


http://tinyurl.com/b8e342h

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 05:43 PM (UOM48)

17 Barry will be satisfied only when the US has all the global influence of Cameroon.

Posted by: Real Joe at February 19, 2013 05:44 PM (PD2ad)

18
It's About Competence:

Oh, shit.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at February 19, 2013 05:44 PM (45ics)

19 Alas, this goes back to the Joe Biden debate and the third debate.

IIRC, Slow Joe lied his ass off about Obama's hatred of Isreal and Romney should have called out obama on his Veep who apparently doesn't even know how he voted with respect to Iraq.

Instead, the media turned the thrid debate into a snooze fest about Mali (who, what ???) instead of into an indictment of Obama's insane foreign policy like invading Libya, hating Isreal, supporting commies over democracies, and being the Drone Lord, death from afar, while golfing and accepting nobel prizes.

Quite the bait and switch, if Romney could do it over again, he should have said, "nice try, trying to make this a paint drying convnetion, I'm purposefully ignoring your ignornat, irrelevant question, and and goingafter obama on this and that and the other thing"

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 19, 2013 05:45 PM (QxSug)

20 Barry doesn't want competence.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 05:45 PM (UOM48)

21
#17, "US has all the global influence of Cameroon"
is that close to Botswana? And where did my Pippa pics go?
Wait, what?

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 05:46 PM (lbiWb)

22 I swear the lighting director doing "The Five" has a spot aimed at Kimberly Guilfoyle's thighs

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 05:46 PM (8sCoq)

23 John Effin Kerry

Chuck Hagel

John "al Quds" Brennan


The trifecta of incompetence and douchebaggery.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 05:46 PM (UOM48)

24 there is no 'competence' in government any more. No. such. thing.


only advocacy and bullsh*t-- or advocacy bullsh*t, if you prefer



Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 19, 2013 05:46 PM (Dll6b)

25 Now that Obama has won re-election and is free of the consequences of having to run again he has as he told the Russians--"greater flexibility".

Here is the trajectory of Obama's Sec of Def choices--


Gates--Panetta--Hagel.


There's a pattern.

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 05:46 PM (r2PLg)

26
The Republicans vacilate between The Stupid Party and The Let's Not Make Waves Party.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 05:47 PM (0nyYS)

27 the reason why "WE" don't cut to the obvious is because "we" are too busy trying to sound smart by being impressed with Obama's pant's crease and by supporting the "Emperor's Clothing Big Lie" that Obama is Sun Tzu mixed in with George Washington and MLK jr.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 19, 2013 05:47 PM (QxSug)

28 Both Heritage and IBD had excellent articles about how incompetent this SOB is. But thanks to the Karl Rove wing of the Party he will be confirmed.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 05:47 PM (53z96)

29 22
I swear the lighting director doing "The Five" has a spot aimed at Kimberly Guilfoyle's thighs


Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 05:46 PM (8sCoq)


You need to change the channel before you explode all over everything....or is it too late?

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2013 05:47 PM (X6akg)

30 I swear the lighting director doing "The Five" has a spot aimed at Kimberly Guilfoyle's thighs

She has a gunsight knee, and it's aimed at your heart.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 05:47 PM (evdj2)

31 10 PRETTY boy??? Lord, Ace, don't be drinkin' this early.

Hagel *is* kind of attractive...in a Cabbage Patch Kid sort of way.

Posted by: wheatie at February 19, 2013 05:47 PM (DZbQ0)

32 if Hagel is confirmed and does a crappy job, it'll just be more evidence for the Dems and the MSM that Repubs can't be trusted to do anything correctly. I mean, after all, if someone as brilliant as Obama chose him and he still fails, then what hope can we have for Repubs that Obama wouldn't select for a position?

Posted by: mallfly at February 19, 2013 05:48 PM (bJm7W)

33
Now America, you don't know you are going to be raped, you need no defense department.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2013 05:48 PM (p/cQy)

34 these tales of Guilfoyle's thighs --- worth a look, I say


worth a look...

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 19, 2013 05:48 PM (Dll6b)

35 >
You need to change the channel before you explode all over everything....or is it too late?


Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2013 05:47 PM (X6akg)


10 minutes

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 05:49 PM (8sCoq)

36 Bush nominated the most hawkish Democrat possible.


There are no more "hawkish" Democrats. And no Lieberman is only hawkish in one area, Israel.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 05:49 PM (53z96)

37 It's also about confidence, and I don't have it.

Posted by: USS CONSTITUTION at February 19, 2013 05:49 PM (KqwSL)

38
"Kimberly Guilfoyle's"
Ah, so that's the "KG" from earlier. Google shows her to be quite the looker...

(I don't do cable. At all. So there)

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 05:49 PM (lbiWb)

39 imagine them wrapped around your lower ribs..........

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 19, 2013 05:49 PM (Dll6b)

40
wheat thins, yes

Cheney made that point last week -- he said Obama chose Hagel to be the Republican "foil"

Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 05:49 PM (0nyYS)

41 Damn I have a weakness for legs. And Kate, Pippa and Kim Guilfoile are the trifecta that defines the direction of my erection......

Posted by: maddogg at February 19, 2013 05:49 PM (OlN4e)

42 Not that I objectify women or anything, it's just that Kimberly seems to be very... fit.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 05:49 PM (8sCoq)

43 10 minutes

Braggart.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 05:50 PM (evdj2)

44 This nomination is a disgrace and also shows the that ALL the Jewish Senators are gutless bastards. Fuck em all. I wouldn't shake any of their hands

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 05:50 PM (9Bj8R)

45 I appreciate it when the Senate, asks hard questions and then understands that appointments are at the Presidents' discretion.

Posted by: Justice Bork at February 19, 2013 05:51 PM (R4WsQ)

46 I've said from the beginning that Hagel's main credential from the right and left supporters is that he became an adamant anti-Iraq war critic including the surge. This of course means he was also a huge GWB critic.

What's not to like according to the criteria of the Paulians and facist lefties.

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 05:51 PM (m2CN7)

47 prbly get it done in five. Plus le apres-sex, comme les Francaise

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 19, 2013 05:51 PM (Dll6b)

48 Kimberly Guilfoyle has a butter face.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 19, 2013 05:51 PM (jucos)

49
"imagine them wrapped around your lower ribs.........."

mmmm. Riiiibs. BRB.

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 05:52 PM (lbiWb)

50 Hagel ceased being a Republican after his first year in office. Anyone that says he is a Republican now is a liar.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 05:52 PM (53z96)

51 Obama picked a Republican whose views are so objectionable to other Repubicans to able to say "oh, look how intractable those guys are. They won't even confirm one of their own because I nominated him." Also, if he is confirmed he will be exactly what Obama wants. All angles played, and all bets hedged. It's not like the media would actually question him on it.

Posted by: no good deed at February 19, 2013 05:52 PM (mjR67)

52 The Republicans in the Senate succeeded in delaying the vote to confirm Chuck Hagel for secretary of defense to the week of February 26 but did not yet succeed in defeating his nomination. If the vote will proceed, Hagel will need only a simple majority of 51 votes to be confirmed. The Democrats have 55 senators supporting Hagel including 11 Jewish senators. If only five of the 11 senators will stop their blind worship of President Obama and decide to abstain, the nomination will be defeated. If only the Jewish establishment would stop being frightened and decide to join in the campaign against Hagel, his nomination would be withdrawn.

The Americans Jewish Committee ( AJC), AIPAC, Anti -Defamation League (ADL), the Conference of Presidents and the National Jewish Democratic Council all decided after the nomination not to oppose Hagel and not to campaign against him even though they all raised concerns about his voting record. The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) and the Republican Jewish Coalition have been the only major Jewish groups to publicly oppose Hagel.


it was the fault of the Jewish senators, other Jewish Democrats and the major Jewish organizations for being silent despite their concerns. First, by being afraid to voice their objections to the president when his nomination was suggested at the trial balloon phase more than 10 days before the public nomination, and second, by dropping their objections to the nomination.

Hagel weakened, ridiculed
But this is not the first time the US Jewish leaders and establishment have been shamefully self -indulgent and frightened to speak up for the sake of their fellow Jews.

Scholarly research has revealed that the American Jews were not powerless during the Holocaust, but merely weak. They were like a muscle never fully flexed. The evidence shows that the Jewish leaders and organizations were silent even though they could have pressured President Franklin Roosevelt, to enter World War II earlier and rescue millions of Jews or bomb the death camps and railroads.


Consequently, the question must be asked by every American Jew as to what red lines must be crossed before the Jewish senators, congressmen and major Jewish organizations will stop being silent in regard to President Obama's policies? When will they flex their political muscles?

What will they do if Obama decides to try to cut military aid to Israel, or lets Iran become a nuclear power? What will happen if Obama recognizes Hamas and Hezbollah and forces Israel to establish another Hamastan in the West Bank? What will happen if Obama tries to force Israel to dismantle its nuclear weapons or votes with the Security Council or the UN General Assembly to boycott Israel?

Barack Obama should not be coddled by the Jews but should be persuaded and confronted, if necessary, to withdraw the Hagel nomination.


Mostly from YNET

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 05:53 PM (9Bj8R)

53 Both Heritage and IBD had excellent articles about how incompetent this SOB is. But thanks to the Karl Rove wing of the Party he will be confirmed.
Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 05:47 PM (53z96)

You are becoming unhinged. Wait what am I saying? Becoming?

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 05:53 PM (m2CN7)

54 Kimberly was married to Gavin Newsom, that's all you need to know.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 19, 2013 05:53 PM (NzBQO)

55 And God must negotiate with Satan?

Posted by: Craig Poe at February 19, 2013 05:53 PM (BVkEs)

56 OT
I'm heading out from work with a reminder to Wisconsinites, go vote for Roggensack for Supreme Court. Don't let the Dems sneak one in while we weren't looking.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2013 05:53 PM (7Nq2G)

57
btw, I'd like to create an app that blows up someone's computer as soon as they type akin or odonnell or whoeverthefuck from the past

Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 05:53 PM (SljXf)

58 Hagel is no longer a Republican, but he is still a shining example of stupidity.

Posted by: maddogg at February 19, 2013 05:53 PM (OlN4e)

59 48
Kimberly Guilfoyle has a butter face.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 19, 2013 05:51 PM (jucos


o_O

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 05:54 PM (UOM48)

60 We don't negotiate with terrorists--

--but we insist others do.

Posted by: zsasz at February 19, 2013 05:54 PM (MMC8r)

61 with someone who speaks truth to teh Likud in charge i'm sure that mythical Israeli-Palestinian peace process will get that much closer to reality

Posted by: JDP at February 19, 2013 05:54 PM (60GaT)

62 54
Kimberly was married to Gavin Newsom, that's all you need to know.




And divorced him and is into Navy SEALs now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 05:55 PM (UOM48)

63 You are becoming unhinged. Wait what am I saying? Becoming?

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 05:53 PM (m2CN7)

I take that as a compliment from a 10 year Romneybot. How's that electable ass taste now.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 05:55 PM (53z96)

64 >Kimberly was married to Gavin Newsom, that's all you need to know.


No, all I need to know is she's wicked smaht and has killer gams

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 05:56 PM (8sCoq)

65 I feel a disturbance in the force. The WSJ had a blistering story today on Hagel.

So where are the Joos? Why are they not stepping up to the plate on this?


Something does not smell right. Just saying, if Boosh had nominated this dickhead, Sen. Schumer would be all over his ass.


Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at February 19, 2013 05:56 PM (wR+pz)

66 60
We don't negotiate with terrorists--



--but we insist others do.

Posted by: zsasz at February 19, 2013 05:54 PM (MMC8r)

---
Ding Ding Ding

Posted by: Craig Poe at February 19, 2013 05:56 PM (BVkEs)

67 "Hagel *is* kind of attractive...in a Cabbage Patch Kid sort of way." Or in an incompetent Chucky-Doll kind ofway.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Bly, Azof, UK at February 19, 2013 05:57 PM (7v5Ct)

68 Kimberly was married to Gavin Newsom, that's all you need to know.

Rons, that means you have a chance. She is capable of incredible lapses in judgement.

Posted by: no good deed at February 19, 2013 05:57 PM (mjR67)

69 Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 05:55 PM (53z96)

Whatever you say Spanky.

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 05:57 PM (m2CN7)

70 13---" If Hagel passes on a straight party vote, does that limit the ability of the MFM to link his alleged Republicanist past to his sure-to-be woeful performance?"
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 05:42 PM (evdj2)

I think it does limit it, which makes Hagel's status as a former Republican less important to voters who pay attention.
Voters who don't pay attention don't care if Hagel was a former Rep or not. They don't know who Sec of Defense is anyway.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 19, 2013 05:57 PM (C8mVl)

71 40 wheat thins, yes

Cheney made that point last week -- he said Obama chose Hagel to be the Republican "foil"


Our own PurpAv called it way back, sooth,almost immediately after Hagel was nominated.
"Foil" is way too tame a word for it.


Hey...how did you know my brothers used to call me 'wheat thins'?

Posted by: wheatie at February 19, 2013 05:57 PM (DZbQ0)

72
/ adds 'romneybot' to the list

Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 05:57 PM (NNTrd)

73 Top. Men.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 19, 2013 05:58 PM (+z4pE)

74 13 If Hagel passes on a straight party vote, does that limit the ability of the MFM to link his alleged Republicanist past to his sure-to-be woeful performance?
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 05:42 PM (evdj2)
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No, because they no longer care about even putting up a pretense of factuality.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 19, 2013 05:58 PM (0xhuc)

75 *picks up ukelele*

Oh, all the Jews love Chuckie Hagel
They love him like cream cheese,
and lox on a bagel
They could all plotz cuz their love for him is growin'
They'll love him even more
Jerusalem is glowin'
Hot-cha-cha-cha-cha!

Posted by: naturalfake at February 19, 2013 05:58 PM (j2lYi)

76 / adds 'romneybot' to the list

Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 05:57 PM (NNTrd)

What list

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 05:59 PM (53z96)

77 Competence is overrated.

Posted by: Jamie Gorelick at February 19, 2013 05:59 PM (8ZskC)

78 Jew money = bad.

Iran money = good.

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at February 19, 2013 06:00 PM (Hx5uv)

79
I'm weird like that, that's why.

But Cheney saying "foil" publicly was quite bold, I thought. He pretty much called Hagel a stooge.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 06:00 PM (SljXf)

80 Our own PurpAv called it way back, sooth,almost immediately after Hagel was nominated.

"Foil" is way too tame a word for it.



Beard, then.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 19, 2013 06:00 PM (8ZskC)

81
65...Something does not smell right. Just saying, if Boosh had nominated this dickhead, Sen. Schumer would be all over his ass.

Yeah, exactly.
The Dems would also be screaming about his money connections to Oil Companies, and companies that do business with the Pentagon.

It stinks, bigtime.

Posted by: wheatie at February 19, 2013 06:00 PM (DZbQ0)

82 I dont know , Ace told me there's no sinister plot to destroy civilization.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 19, 2013 06:00 PM (AWmfW)

83 Remind an old fart, who the fuck is Gavin Newsom?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at February 19, 2013 06:00 PM (wR+pz)

84 Gavin Newsom. Isn't he gay now?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 19, 2013 06:00 PM (+z4pE)

85 Now Bibi, I know I called you a radical Likudnik and member of the Jew World Order, but that was then. And I hope we can put these differences behind us.

Anyway if you sit down with Mr. Ahmadinejad I think you'll find you're not so different after all

Posted by: Mr. Hagel Goes to Tel Aviv at February 19, 2013 06:01 PM (60GaT)

86 He's saying the "far right" are all isolationist ala Ron Paul?

Posted by: steevy at February 19, 2013 06:01 PM (9XBK2)

87 83
Remind an old fart, who the fuck is Gavin Newsom?

------

Former mayor of San Francisco.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 06:01 PM (UOM48)

88
btw, that other Chuck, Chuck Todd, is a dumbass too. Just thought it needed mentioning again. Carry on.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2013 06:01 PM (p/cQy)

89 If Hagel passes on a straight party vote, does that limit the ability of
the MFM to link his alleged Republicanist past to his sure-to-be woeful
performance?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 05:42 PM (evdj2)

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No, because they no longer care about even putting up a pretense of factuality.

***

We can deal with rockets and dreams
But reality, what does it mean?

Posted by: Freddy's Dead Media at February 19, 2013 06:01 PM (Hx5uv)

90 Man, Obama is such a dick...

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 06:02 PM (8sCoq)

91 I gotta change the channel

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 06:02 PM (8sCoq)

92 Wheatie,

I am thinking they want a Republican fall guy when all this shit hits the fan.

AKA, Israel bombs fucking Iraq.

Joos, leave us alone, and we'll help out?

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at February 19, 2013 06:02 PM (wR+pz)

93 78
Jew money = bad.

Iran money = good.


Posted by: Chuck Hagel at February 19, 2013 06:00 PM (Hx5uv)

mmmmm mmmm mmm.

Posted by: Al Gore at February 19, 2013 06:02 PM (AWmfW)

94 83 Former Mayor of San Francisco and husband of Kimberley Guilfoyle.Big left wing dumbass.

Posted by: steevy at February 19, 2013 06:02 PM (9XBK2)

95 Gavin Newsom --mayor of San Fran now Lt. Governor of California.

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 06:02 PM (r2PLg)

96 52--- "If only five of the 11 senators will stop their blind worship of President Obama and decide to abstain, the nomination will be defeated."

Damn.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 19, 2013 06:02 PM (C8mVl)

97
Anyway if you sit down with Mr. Ahmadinejad I think you'll find you're not so different after all

***

Apart from the whole he's-living-you're-dead thing.

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at February 19, 2013 06:03 PM (Hx5uv)

98 AKA, Israel bombs fucking Iraq.
-------------------------------------------------
Why would they do that?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 19, 2013 06:03 PM (jucos)

99 It's about competence. And Hagel doesn't have it.


Which means he'sa perfect fit for the Obama administration. A feature, not a bug. LiB

Posted by: puddleglum at February 19, 2013 06:03 PM (7JtS+)

100 @87

Oh, that's worse than I thought. I was hoping he was some fucking movie star, not a ghey politician.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at February 19, 2013 06:03 PM (wR+pz)

101 Ah, "Storage Wars". This makes sense.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 06:03 PM (8sCoq)

102 @98

Iraq meant Iran, old.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at February 19, 2013 06:04 PM (wR+pz)

103 If all of the Republicans will keep on filibustering him he will be defeated. But that is not going to happen.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:04 PM (53z96)

104 Can I bum a hamburger Mr. UpChuck Hagel? Please!! I'll let ya see a couple of my fat rolls!

Posted by: Meg McCain at February 19, 2013 06:04 PM (Oi60j)

105 @94 - EX husband of Kimberly Guilfoyle.

As for Hagel - he's Obama's big well-lubed reacharound to the (Ron) Paulbots.


Posted by: JEM at February 19, 2013 06:04 PM (o+SC1)

106 @98

Course, bombing Iraq might not be a bad idea either. Iran is running the fucking place now.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at February 19, 2013 06:05 PM (wR+pz)

107 Newsome is not gay. The reason for the divorce was he was caught porking his best friend's wife. But he has supported ALL the gay causes in SF.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:05 PM (53z96)

108 Iraq meant Iran, old.

It's okay. I still can't tell you the difference.

Posted by: Alan Jackson at February 19, 2013 06:05 PM (mjR67)

109 Obama wants Hagel because he will fuck it up. He will fuck it up because Obama will tell him to fuck it up, and because he would have fucked it up anyway.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 19, 2013 06:05 PM (O8sZf)

110 1005 I thought I had I covered with the "former" at the beginning but I was unclear.

Posted by: steevy at February 19, 2013 06:05 PM (9XBK2)

111 "If all of the Republicans will keep on filibustering him"

Unprecedented!!

Posted by: MSDNC Rapid Response at February 19, 2013 06:06 PM (60GaT)

112 The muzzy brotherhood has arrived on so many fronts, it is hard to count.

Posted by: sTevo at February 19, 2013 06:06 PM (VMcEw)

113 And God must negotiate with Satan?

***

Adultery and theft are polling pretty well. Maybe God could bend on those two.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 06:07 PM (Hx5uv)

114 Perceived weakness invites aggression. There is unlikely to be worse leadership in Washington in our lifetimes, however short our lifetimes may be. The bad guys are watching. Some of them are probably gaming the possibilities right now, weighing options, thinking it over.
If I were an open or covertdeadly enemy of the United States, seething with hatred toward the Great Satan, I'd get together with my like-minded pals and plan something special before the end of President Obama's second term. We see Obama and Biden and Hagel and Reid, et al as a collectivedisaster. Someone on the other side might see it as an opportunity.

Posted by: troyriser at February 19, 2013 06:07 PM (vtiE6)

115 92 Wheatie,
I am thinking they want a Republican fall guy when all this shit hits the fan.


Yup, exactly.
They need someone to blame, when the chaos in A-stan gets bad, too.
So, who better than someone with an R beside their name.

And the anti-semitism serves as a big 'fuck you' to Israel.

Posted by: wheatie at February 19, 2013 06:07 PM (DZbQ0)

116 Gavin Newsome defended SF being a sanctuary city even as some citizens were being murdered by illegals. Major cocksucker.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 19, 2013 06:07 PM (U3zhg)

117 109 Yep and whatever yes man gets the job if Hagel doesn't will do the same thing.The guy on top is the problem.

Posted by: steevy at February 19, 2013 06:07 PM (9XBK2)

118 107
Newsome is not gay. The reason for the divorce was he was caught porking
his best friend's wife. But he has supported ALL the gay causes in SF.


Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:05 PM (53z96)


Wait, just a fucking minute here. You are telling me someone lives in SF and is not ghey?
You the the HQ rules, pictures or it didn't happen.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at February 19, 2013 06:07 PM (wR+pz)

119 109
Obama wants Hagel because he will fuck it up. He will fuck it up
because Obama will tell him to fuck it up, and because he would have
fucked it up anyway.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 19, 2013 06:05 PM (O8sZf)

What? You mean like a scapegoat?

Posted by: David Petraeus at February 19, 2013 06:07 PM (AWmfW)

120 There is a lot of time spent overthinking, and pontificating, on WHY somthing is done.

When the 'why' is not important.... its WHAT they did that we must respond to.

I see Obama destroying our Military. EVERY decision made, makes it weaker.... everything from Gays and Women on the front lines, to sequestration, to the ROEs, to both the Sec State and Defense Picks... (note, US Navy has announced that by signing a Form, your Gay partner gets full dependent priveleges, including ID cards...). They are even going after the traditions which make the military distinct (no more Navy Chief Initiations?).

The Sequestration, while not REALLY that large, will be taken from important operational funds.... not gedunk... and that is the Obama administrations choice.

Even the drone strikesare blurring the International Agreements on the Laws of War... somthing which WILL come back to haunt us...

Now.... does it really matter WHY he is destroying the Greatest Military Machine in History? Or is the fact that he IS destroying it important... and IMO, Treasonous.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2013 06:07 PM (lZBBB)

121 Hamas is blowback for Lincoln's intervention in the War Between the States

Posted by: Ron Paul at February 19, 2013 06:08 PM (60GaT)

122 Wait, just a fucking minute here. You are telling me someone lives in SF and is not ghey?
You the the HQ rules, pictures or it didn't happen.


Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at February 19, 2013 06:07 PM (wR+pz)


LOL, SF is not 100% gay, only about 75% to 90%.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:08 PM (53z96)

123 So how does this negotiation work? Negotating means each side gives up something. Israel wants to live in peace. Hamas wants to kill Jews. So negotiations would be kind of like this...

Hamas: We want to kill 100% of Jews

Israel: 100%, no we can't do that

Hamas: OK, 80%

Israel: 30% and that's final

DEAL!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:08 PM (HDgX3)

124 105 ---
"As for Hagel - he's Obama's big well-lubed reacharound to the (Ron) Paulbots."

Posted by: JEM at February 19, 2013 06:04 PM (o+SC1)

So it would seem.
Damn.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 19, 2013 06:08 PM (C8mVl)

125
Newsome is not gay. The reason for the divorce was he was caught porking his best friend's wife. But he has supported ALL the gay causes in SF.

Close enough, then.

I do, however, wonder what his best friend's wife looks like. KG has somewhat masculine facial features, but screen-door, hurricane, IYKWIM.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 19, 2013 06:08 PM (+z4pE)

126 "117 109 Yep and whatever yes man gets the job if Hagel doesn't will do the same thing.The guy on top is the problem.

Posted by: steevy at February 19, 2013 06:07 PM (9XBK2) "

It's almost as if elections matter. :-(

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 19, 2013 06:09 PM (O8sZf)

127
So the Sabine Women should have negotiated with Rome. Failing that, they could fall back on their anti-rape whistles.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 19, 2013 06:09 PM (TIIx5)

128 "119 109
Obama wants Hagel because he will fuck it up. He will fuck it up
because Obama will tell him to fuck it up, and because he would have
fucked it up anyway.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 19, 2013 06:05 PM (O8sZf)

What? You mean like a scapegoat?

Posted by: David Petraeus at February 19, 2013 06:07 PM (AWmfW) "

Scapedog. :-P



(Delicious!)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 19, 2013 06:10 PM (O8sZf)

129 Can Hagel really be stupid enough not to see Obama's setting him up to take the fall for the clusterfuck Obama's foreign policy will lead to militarily?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:10 PM (HDgX3)

130 Look you don't nominate a anti-semite, and that is what hagel is, to defense if you don't share his sentiments. The truth will out

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 06:11 PM (9Bj8R)

131 129
Can Hagel really be stupid enough not to see Obama's setting him up to
take the fall for the clusterfuck Obama's foreign policy will lead to
militarily


YES.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at February 19, 2013 06:11 PM (wR+pz)

132 He did vote against the Patriot Act, Medicare Part D and No Child Left Behind. If he's embraced socialism, it seems recent.

Posted by: Invictus at February 19, 2013 06:11 PM (OQpzc)

133 Can Hagel really be stupid enough not to see Obama's setting him up to take the fall for the clusterfuck Obama's foreign policy will lead to militarily?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:10 PM (HDgX3)


Did you miss his confirmation hearings? Is he that stupid? Does a bear shit in the woods. Is the Pope Catholic?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 06:12 PM (9Bj8R)

134 Hagel is sharp as a bag of hair. Of course he doesn't know Obama is rolling him.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 19, 2013 06:12 PM (jucos)

135 The peasants are revolting:

@dannowicki:Crowd turns on McCain at immigration town hall.Ex-law enforce official shouts,McCain sez guy is jerk

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 19, 2013 06:12 PM (Ipj15)

136 I do, however, wonder what his best friend's wife
looks like. KG has somewhat masculine facial features, but screen-door,
hurricane, IYKWIM.


Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 19, 2013 06:08 PM (+z4pE)

When I lived in CA porking other people wives and vice versa the women other people's husbands was almost normal. I had married women trying to climb in my windows at times. I was single.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:13 PM (53z96)

137 When I lived in CA porking other people wives and
vice versa the women other people's husbands was almost normal. I had
married women trying to climb in my windows at times. I was single.


Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:13 PM (53z96)

______________
Psssst....wanna hear a secret? It happens in all 57 states, not just CA.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:13 PM (HDgX3)

138 I still say that Kimberly Guilfoyle has a butter face. Her Adams apple is off putting too.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 19, 2013 06:14 PM (jucos)

139 The Tea Party/Republicans, conservatives, or whatever you want to call them need to keep slamming Hagel at his every fuck up. The liberals wanted him for a reason and this needs to be brought up at every chance.
Foil my ass - don't let them control the narritive.

Posted by: Cheri at February 19, 2013 06:14 PM (G+Wff)

140 129 --- Eh. Hagel doesn't care.
Now he's just a dumb ex-senator no one cares about.
As SoD, he'll get attention! People will open doors for him! Congressmen will vie for his favors!
And if he falls from grace, so what?
He'll just be a nobody again, no worse off than he is now.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 19, 2013 06:15 PM (C8mVl)

141 >>>The reason for the divorce was he was caught porking

his best friend's wife.

If his wife really believed in the liberal cause and supported her husband she would accept his polyamory as a natural part of his sexual being and support him exploring his sexuality in this manner, understanding his sexual needs include having more than one intimate partner.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 19, 2013 06:15 PM (0q2P7)

142 I had married women trying to climb in my windows at times. I was single.
Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:13 PM (53z96)
----------------------------------------------------------
You would be well within your rights to shoot them.

Posted by: The Blade Runner at February 19, 2013 06:15 PM (jucos)

143 Psssst....wanna hear a secret? It happens in all 57 states, not just CA.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:13 PM (HDgX3)

Yeah it happens, but not to the extent I saw out there.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:16 PM (53z96)

144 I'm starting to not really give that much of a fuck about Israel anymore. American Jews vote 70-80% Democrat. They want this, let them have it. Why are we bending over backwards to help people who will be fucked by the policies they voted FOR?

And yes yes I know Israel is the only democracy in the region, etc. Not need for a history lesson.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:16 PM (HDgX3)

145 When I lived in CA porking other people wives and
vice versa the women other people's husbands was almost normal. I had
married women trying to climb in my windows at times. I was single.


Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:13 PM (53z96)


Going to bragging now, eh?

Like I said earlier, you know the rules. Pictures or it didn't happen.
Once you cross the fucking Appalachian Mts, all those fuckers are a little strange. Just saying, there is a reason they didn't stay.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 19, 2013 06:17 PM (wR+pz)

146
When I lived in CA porking other people wives and vice versa the women other people's husbands was almost normal. I had married women trying to climb in my windows at times. I was single.

That explains a lot about CA. My half-assed brother lives out there and has been married at least five times that I can remember.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 19, 2013 06:17 PM (+z4pE)

147 She came in through the bathroom window.

Posted by: If the blade Gunner were a member of the Beatles at February 19, 2013 06:17 PM (Hx5uv)

148 he is an idiot.

If he *does* realize this...and is going along with it...then he is despicable.


Can't it be both?


Posted by: DaveA at February 19, 2013 06:17 PM (6YLIm)

149 "140 129 --- Eh. Hagel doesn't care.
Now he's just a dumb ex-senator no one cares about.
As SoD, he'll get attention! People will open doors for him! Congressmen will vie for his favors!
And if he falls from grace, so what?
He'll just be a nobody again, no worse off than he is now.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 19, 2013 06:15 PM (C8mVl) "

That's a good point. If you're corrupt/prone to corruption, serving the Democrat party is relatively logical...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 19, 2013 06:18 PM (O8sZf)

150
LOL, SF is not 100% gay, only about 75% to 90%.

I remember, quite a few decades back, in the fucking forever drive from SF airport to the waterfront area of SF asking the cab driver about the 'stereotypical' Hollywood stereotype of the cab driver taking the pregnant woman to the hospital, and if he had ever done it -- and he looked at me like I was from another planet. 'In this town?'

'Never.'

It boggles my mind that people who are such a tiny minority of the population are given such precedence by Nancy Pelosi and crew. It further boggles my mind that American taxpayers are not heating up pots of tar and gathering feathers. I guess they're afraid of assault weapon EBT cards pointed in their direction.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 19, 2013 06:18 PM (feFL6)

151 how American Jews vote is kinda irrelevant to what our Middle East policy should look like

Posted by: JDP at February 19, 2013 06:18 PM (60GaT)

152 It might be that I ran with a rather wild crowd too, but they even beat the hell out of NY for cheating.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:18 PM (53z96)

153 I still think a lot of Dems think Hagel is a good Def choice because he has a low speaking voice.

Posted by: Baldy at February 19, 2013 06:18 PM (opS9C)

154 Ace, I disagree that its all about competence. That's part of it. But its a lot more.

I don't know, I'm not sure what DANIEL (not David) FOSTER is saying that is anything different from a dozen other critiques of Hagel. Maybe I'm missing it.

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 06:19 PM (gmeXX)

155 140
129 --- Eh. Hagel doesn't care.

Now he's just a dumb ex-senator no one cares about.

As SoD, he'll get attention! People will open doors for him! Congressmen will vie for his favors!

And if he falls from grace, so what?

He'll just be a nobody again, no worse off than he is now.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 19, 2013 06:15 PM (C8mVl)

I too think it's that simple. He want to be one of the big boys. Now they will listen to him!

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 19, 2013 06:20 PM (AWmfW)

156 Yeah it happens, but not to the extent I saw out there.


Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:16 PM (53z96)

___________________
My best friend in high school worked at golf course one summer and was fucking the manager's wife. And good lord he didn't let anyone within earshot not know all the details. Another friend, post-college was fucking his married co-worker. I had the misfortune of staying at his house once overnight and awoke to the sounds of the two of them on the couch. Both incidents happened nowhere near the CA border.

It happens everywhere all the time.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:20 PM (HDgX3)

157 If his wife really believed in the liberal cause and supported her husband she would accept his polyamory as a natural part of his sexual being and support him exploring his sexuality in this manner, understanding his sexual needs include having more than one intimate partner.

So what, exactly, is the liberal argument against state licenses for polygamous marriage?

I just think "progressive" means resurrecting bad, old ideas.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2013 06:20 PM (T0NGe)

158 Once you cross the fucking Appalachian Mts, all those fuckers are a little strange

That's nothing to the strange you can fuck when you just hike 'em!

Posted by: Vote For Me, Mark Sanford, For Integrity and Shit at February 19, 2013 06:20 PM (QTHTd)

159 138 I still say that Kimberly Guilfoyle has a butter face. Her Adams apple is off putting too.

She has an adams apple?
I never noticed.

I still think she's gorgeous.

Posted by: wheatie at February 19, 2013 06:21 PM (DZbQ0)

160 151
how American Jews vote is kinda irrelevant to what our Middle East policy should look like


Posted by: JDP at February 19, 2013 06:18 PM (60GaT)

_________________
I disagree.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:21 PM (HDgX3)

161 I just think "progressive" means resurrecting bad, old ideas.


Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2013 06:20 PM (T0NGe)


Well.... not really Bad Bad....

Posted by: King Soloman at February 19, 2013 06:22 PM (lZBBB)

162 I'm starting to not really give that much of a fuck about Israel anymore. American Jews vote 70-80% Democrat. They want this, let them have it. Why are we bending over backwards to help people who will be fucked by the policies they voted FOR?

And yes yes I know Israel is the only democracy in the region, etc. Not need for a history lesson.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:16 PM (HDgX3)


And I bet you have alot of Jewish Friends also? Your logic sucks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 06:22 PM (9Bj8R)

163 obama loves him some Israeli Jew haters. Samatha Powers ring a bell? Rev. jeremiah wright?

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 19, 2013 06:23 PM (uhftQ)

164 153 --- They do tend to like low talkers and monotones, don't they?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 19, 2013 06:23 PM (C8mVl)

165 how American Jews vote is kinda irrelevant to what our Middle East policy should look like


Posted by: JDP at February 19, 2013 06:18 PM (60GaT)

_________________
I disagree.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:21 PM (HDgX3)


And they control the banks also?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 06:23 PM (9Bj8R)

166 "157 If his wife really believed in the liberal cause and supported her husband she would accept his polyamory as a natural part of his sexual being and support him exploring his sexuality in this manner, understanding his sexual needs include having more than one intimate partner.

So what, exactly, is the liberal argument against state licenses for polygamous marriage?

I just think "progressive" means resurrecting bad, old ideas.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2013 06:20 PM (T0NGe) "

There's no rational argument for keeping marriage between a person and another person of any sex. But nothing about Leftism is logical. It's all just arbitrary "Fuck you, that's why" "insight."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 19, 2013 06:23 PM (O8sZf)

167 Will no one rid me of this meddlesome sock?

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 06:24 PM (Hx5uv)

168 What the heck is happening???: WASHINGTON (AP) — President Obama says he has accepted Gen. John Allen 's request to retire from military.

Posted by: Baldy at February 19, 2013 06:24 PM (opS9C)

169 Hagel is the new Fredo

Posted by: thunderb at February 19, 2013 06:24 PM (euH7k)

170 And I bet you have alot of Jewish Friends also? Your logic sucks

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 06:22 PM (9Bj8R)

______________
So you have a group of people that votes 80% for a guy who is well know for hating that group. And then he appoints someone who hates that group even more. And then we're supposed to fight like hell against these two people in order to help that group? Yeah you're right. That's fantastic logic.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:25 PM (HDgX3)

171 What the heck is happening???: WASHINGTON (AP) — President Obama says he has accepted Gen. John Allen 's request to retire from military.
Posted by: Baldy at February 19, 2013 06:24 PM (opS9C)

A) Allen was tied up in those Patreaous emails

B) Allen probably does NOT go along with obama so it was an excuse to force him out

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 06:25 PM (9Bj8R)

172 Oh I forgot - he had the emails with that woman or something.

Posted by: Baldy at February 19, 2013 06:26 PM (opS9C)

173 Israeli jews hate obama. American Jews love him. So let's punish the Israeli Jews?

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 19, 2013 06:26 PM (uhftQ)

174 Hagel is the new Fredo

***

It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like
everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 06:26 PM (Hx5uv)

175 I don't view it as helping Israel because they are Jews. In fact, a lot of them are not Jews. I view it as them being the ONLY damn country in the region that we can halfway (and yes I do mean halfway) trust.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:26 PM (53z96)

176 @170
That's fantastic logic.


It is if you carry the new Democratica Master Card!

Double points for stupid!

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 19, 2013 06:27 PM (wR+pz)

177 So you have a group of people that votes 80% for a guy who is well know for hating that group. And then he appoints someone who hates that group even more. And then we're supposed to fight like hell against these two people in order to help that group? Yeah you're right. That's fantastic logic.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:25 PM (HDgX3)


This is my last repsonce to you. Your sounding like an anti-semite to me. Support Israel or Don't Support Israel, I don't care, but that support or non -support should only depend on Israel being a Democracy and Friend of the US. Not because of religion.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 06:27 PM (9Bj8R)

178
I don't view it as helping Israel because they are Jews. In fact, a lot
of them are not Jews. I view it as them being the ONLY damn country in
the region that we can halfway (and yes I do mean halfway) trust.

***

And yes, I am including Italy and Greece as countries in the region.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 06:28 PM (Hx5uv)

179 A) Allen was tied up in those Patreaous emails

B) Allen probably does NOT go along with obama so it was an excuse to force him out


Allen was completely cleared of any email shenanigans

But you're spot on with Item B above.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 19, 2013 06:28 PM (lWfmI)

180 151---" how American Jews vote is kinda irrelevant to what our Middle East policy should look like"
Posted by: JDP at February 19, 2013 06:18 PM (60GaT)

I agree.
Strong support of Israel is in America's interest, whether Jewish Americans vote for it or not.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 19, 2013 06:29 PM (C8mVl)

181 And yes, I am including Italy and Greece as countries in the region.


Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 06:28 PM (Hx5uv)

I would not include either one of them in the region.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:29 PM (53z96)

182 I am sure every thing in the ME will go well for us as soon as we throw Israel under the bus. Worked for the UK, Spain, Russia, Turkey. They no longer have terrorist problems. Anyway, what does it matter?

Posted by: thunderb at February 19, 2013 06:29 PM (euH7k)

183 Again, I'm still confused with what Ace thinks Daniel Foster is cutting right too.

I read Foster's article, and to me the most salient point is his critique of the "middle." People are operating under the assumption that Obama is a moderate. An assumption that only a fool would make or an assumption one says because they know that Obama the Ideologue wouldn't sell.

Obama and Hagel (and Ron Paul) all share the same foreign policy (though I think for different reasons). Obama wants America brought down and to atone for its Western Civilization sins, and Hagel and Pauljust seem to hate Israel. But the end result is the same. A weakened America.


Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 06:29 PM (gmeXX)

184 173
Israeli jews hate obama. American Jews love him. So let's punish the Israeli Jews?

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 19, 2013 06:26 PM (uhftQ)

_________________________
Israeli Jews hate Obama? That's why the state is going to give him a "special award" (whatever the fuck that means) when he visits? If that's hate, I'm interested to see what love is.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:29 PM (HDgX3)

185 I view it as them being the ONLY damn country in the region that we can halfway (and yes I do mean halfway) trust.

There's that, and the point that if we let the Arabs have Syria-Palaestina / Judah / southern Phoenicia or whatever the hell you want to call it, they'll decide they want Andalusia. And Sicily. And bits (more) of India.

You don't negotiate with a religion that claims sovereignty over the entire planet. Especially when said religion is barbaric and obscurantist. You push it back wherever you are able.

Posted by: zimriel at February 19, 2013 06:30 PM (QTHTd)

186 it's pretty well-established that Netanyahu and Obama don't exactly have a friendly relationship

Posted by: JDP at February 19, 2013 06:30 PM (60GaT)

187 you know, just wondering... the Obama people must have vetted Hagel high and low before he was nominated, no? I sit possible that they picked him in order to make the Repubs look bad? Like perhaps to convince Jewish voters who have been turning away from the Dems to turn back?
Just a thought.

Posted by: mallfly at February 19, 2013 06:30 PM (bJm7W)

188 Off to eat Mexican, and it won't be kosher. Pork and all.

BBL to look at Vic's pics of the married womyns.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 19, 2013 06:30 PM (wR+pz)

189 "181 And yes, I am including Italy and Greece as countries in the region.


Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 06:28 PM (Hx5uv)

I would not include either one of them in the region.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:29 PM (53z96) "

Well, historically-speaking, it's true. The entire region used to be Western.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 19, 2013 06:30 PM (O8sZf)

190 There's no rational argument for keeping marriage between a person and another person of any sex.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 19, 2013 06:23 PM (O8sZf)

No rational argument? Er, the well-being of children? Societal stability? The maintenance and perpetuation of the foundation upon which all successful civilizations are built? Those are irrational arguments, in your view? Define 'rational', please. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Posted by: troyriser at February 19, 2013 06:30 PM (vtiE6)

191 Just released from the WH.

To prove his isn't the village idiot Joo hater he will play Tevye in the Obama production of Fiddler On The Roof this weekend.

Posted by: mpfs, assault fishstick at February 19, 2013 06:30 PM (TCy/B)

192 This is my last repsonce to you. Your sounding like
an anti-semite to me. Support Israel or Don't Support Israel, I don't
care, but that support or non -support should only depend on Israel
being a Democracy and Friend of the US. Not because of religion.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 06:27 PM (9Bj8R)

____________
Yeah because the fact that Isarel is Jewish has ***NOTHING*** to do with the support it has received from the US over the years. You can't be this dumb.

And do you realize you're doing the same thing Obama does? Question him and you are racist. Question why we should support Israel unconditionally (something we don't do to any other country in the world) and you're an anti-Semite.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:31 PM (HDgX3)

193 IIRC the Bible is chock full of stories of Jews stabbing themselves in the foot. Doesn't change my support for Israel. They are willing to fight, and we should support them in that.

I wouldn't be at all surprised that Obama arming all Israel's enemies is to force the big showdown with nukes. That would end the Arab threat for quite some time and leave his hands clean as far as the world's hypocrit progressives are concerned.

Posted by: Invictus at February 19, 2013 06:31 PM (OQpzc)

194 Israeli Jews hate Obama? That's why the state is going to give him a "special award" (whatever the fuck that means) when he visits? If that's hate, I'm interested to see what love is.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
***

Yeah, keep justifying your anti-semitism.
So let's see, you hate our military, our police, and Jews. Ronulan identified.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 19, 2013 06:31 PM (uhftQ)

195 Some people are so ignorant of history and current events it is painful to see how they think

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 06:31 PM (9Bj8R)

196 Speaking of appointments, guess who MSDNC is hawking for pope?

Sonia Sotomayer.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/bg4dgbk

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 06:32 PM (Hx5uv)

197 Israeli Jews hate Obama? That's why the state is going to give him a
"special award" (whatever the fuck that means) when he visits? If that's
hate, I'm interested to see what love is.

It's not coming from Bibi I read but from the "president" Peres or somebody Excuse the spelling... They're are not exactly simpatico if you know what I mean....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 19, 2013 06:32 PM (9+ccr)

198 187
you know, just wondering... the Obama people must have vetted Hagel high
and low before he was nominated, no? I sit possible that they picked
him in order to make the Repubs look bad? Like perhaps to convince
Jewish voters who have been turning away from the Dems to turn back?
Just a thought.


Posted by: mallfly at February 19, 2013 06:30 PM (bJm7W)

_____________
Indeed. Because Republicans fall for this shit all the time thanks in large part to the Hannity talking points spewed by the likes of Nevergiveup.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:32 PM (HDgX3)

199 120 Romeo13
There is a lot of time spent overthinking, and pontificating, on WHY somthing is done.

When the 'why' is not important.... its WHAT they did that we must respond to.


"Don't bother to examine a folly; ask yourself only what it accomplishes."
~Ayn Rand

Posted by: rickl at February 19, 2013 06:33 PM (sdi6R)

200 Ronulan identified.

Roger that, Sulu. Raise the bullshit shields and arm the fisking torpedoes

Posted by: zimriel at February 19, 2013 06:33 PM (QTHTd)

201 "190 There's no rational argument for keeping marriage between a person and another person of any sex.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 19, 2013 06:23 PM (O8sZf)

No rational argument? Er, the well-being of children? Societal stability? The maintenance and perpetuation of the foundation upon which all successful civilizations are built? Those are irrational arguments, in your view? Define 'rational', please. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Posted by: troyriser at February 19, 2013 06:30 PM (vtiE6) "

I suggest you reread the sentence in question.


(And please don't truncate my posts in a nontransparent way.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 19, 2013 06:33 PM (O8sZf)

202
I sit possible that they picked him in order to make the Repubs look bad?

It's highly probable. TFG will fuck up our military and point to Hagel and say, "See? A Pubbie did that, I didn't."

We are so screwed...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 19, 2013 06:34 PM (+z4pE)

203 THANK U FOR YOUR AUPPORT ACE

Posted by: CHUCK HAGEL at February 19, 2013 06:34 PM (I2LwF)

204 "181 And yes, I am including Italy and Greece as countries in the region.





Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 06:28 PM (Hx5uv)



I would not include either one of them in the region.



Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:29 PM (53z96) "


Bit of a joke but, you're right, Italy and Greece may both be crazy but compared to rest of the region, they are stellar examples of sanity.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 06:34 PM (Hx5uv)

205 "Yeah because the fact that Isarel is Jewish has ***NOTHING*** to do with the support it has received from the US over the years."

so what? would there have been a solution by now if only the U.S. had criticized Israel more over the years?

this James Baker "fuck the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway" mindset is just an emotional response that doesn't mean anything

Posted by: JDP at February 19, 2013 06:34 PM (60GaT)

206 "Hamas? I hardly knew her!"

Bada bing!

Thank you!! Tip your server on the way out.

Posted by: "Chuckles' Hagel, Comedy Legend at February 19, 2013 06:34 PM (TCy/B)

207 Totally OT, but has anyone noticed how much cash Althouse is raking in from her Amazon portal? Every once in a while she posts the daily "take" and it often adds up to more than a hundo on a single day.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 19, 2013 06:35 PM (ZshNr)

208 Here is where I agree with Foster, Obama is unlike any politician we have seen. He just doesn't care what the public thinks because in the end the public backs him. Winning two presidential elections will do that to you. And if the toughest question he faces is did you beat Tiger, then there is simply no reason for him to change course.

For me, defeating Hagel has two purposes (a) to keep this incompetent lunatic away from Defense, but (b) it is also to defeat Obama (make him suffer one loss).

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 06:35 PM (gmeXX)

209 Wait! Which one is Israel again? The ones wearing the fuzzy red hats, right?

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at February 19, 2013 06:35 PM (BAS5M)

210 I have never understood why American Jews vote lockstep for Democrats.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:35 PM (53z96)

211 Hagel is Obama's pick. He OWNS him.
And given the GOP opposition (however ineffective,) not even the MSM can convince people otherwise.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 19, 2013 06:36 PM (C8mVl)

212 You know, a more effective way of derailing this nomination would be to have asked Hagel questions like this:

1. Could you explain your theory of management?
2. What is the largest organization you have ever managed?
3. What areas of the Pentagon budget could stand some cuts? What areas need more funding?
4. Explain how you think the officer corps and the enlisted men could better interact. (This goes to my theory that he blames a great many officers he served under during Vietnam and cannot let it go. In other words, he's nuts.)
5. Have you ever been treated for depression or any other psychiatric disorder? (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 19, 2013 06:36 PM (GoIUi)

213 When it comes down to it a country must act in it's own national interests.The closer your interests align the more "trust worthy" a given nation.

Posted by: steevy at February 19, 2013 06:36 PM (9XBK2)

214 why American Jews vote lockstep for Democrats

http://online.wsj.com/article /SB10001424052970204488304574427312061008166.html

Posted by: zimriel at February 19, 2013 06:36 PM (QTHTd)

215 And then we're supposed to fight like hell against these two people in order to help that group?

Anything American jews get out of US support for Israel is an incidental side effect of, not a reason for such policy.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 19, 2013 06:37 PM (1rU+d)

216 so what? would there have been a solution by now if only the U.S. had criticized Israel more over the years?

this James Baker "fuck the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway" mindset is just an emotional response that doesn't mean anything


Posted by: JDP at February 19, 2013 06:34 PM (60GaT)

_______________________
You know why Democrats win? Because they identify a few key constituencies, and pander to them. Then those constituencies keep voting for them over and over. You don't see Obama fighting like hell for people that voted against him by 50-60%. On the other hand, Republicans are doing just that. And they wonder why they never win anymore.

Stupid Party.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:37 PM (HDgX3)

217 The public doesn't really back obama. They just just go along with what the media tells them. If they bothered to pull away from Honey Boo Boo long enough to do their own research, they would never vote dem again.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 19, 2013 06:38 PM (uhftQ)

218 208 --- The MSM has always been biased, of course, but with Obama it's moved into full-time agitprop for Dear Leader. He doesn't have to worry about a damn thing.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 19, 2013 06:39 PM (C8mVl)

219 If Swedes voted 80-20 for Obama I'd say Fuck Sweden just the same. This isn't a religious or racial or geographic thing. It's a political thing. I'm tired of fighting on behalf of people who hate everything I stand for.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:39 PM (HDgX3)

220 what makes you think Republican opposition to Hagel is because they want to increase their Jewish vote share, and not, you know, cuz they disagree with the guy

Posted by: JDP at February 19, 2013 06:40 PM (60GaT)

221 Miss Marple, I disagree. We can say it is about incompetence, but I think we are lying to ourselves if we think that is the real issue at play. One, it isn't. Two, incomptence is boring and the public wouldn't care for it. We should block Hagel for the exact reason we think he should be blocked. He gives comfort to the enemy.

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 06:40 PM (gmeXX)

222 it's a tribal thing

Posted by: JDP at February 19, 2013 06:40 PM (60GaT)

223 5. Have you ever been treated for depression or any other psychiatric disorder? (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

I was 100% with you up until this last point.

If there's nothing wrong with it, then there's no point in asking it. The fact is, there isn't anything wrong with it for most people. "Most people" doesn't cover SecDef nominees.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 19, 2013 06:40 PM (oDAWZ)

224 168
What the heck is happening???: WASHINGTON (AP) — President Obama says he
has accepted Gen. John Allen 's request to retire from military.




A great Marine. Another nail in the coffin of our once great nation and its military.


Obama = POS

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 06:41 PM (UOM48)

225 Anyone who thinks American Jews represent how Israeli's think and feel about America or obama has no idea about how Israel thinks, has never lived there, and is spouting such stupidity it makes my head hurt.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 06:41 PM (9Bj8R)

226 What the heck is happening???: WASHINGTON (AP) — President Obama says he

has accepted Gen. John Allen 's request to retire from military.

Abandoning a sinking ship?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 19, 2013 06:41 PM (9+ccr)

227 Time to call it a night. I'll be back in the morning for more news and more flame wars.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 06:42 PM (53z96)

228 New thread.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 19, 2013 06:43 PM (O8sZf)

229 225
Anyone who thinks American Jews represent how Israeli's think and feel
about America or obama has no idea about how Israel thinks, has never
lived there, and is spouting such stupidity it makes my head hurt.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 06:41 PM (9Bj8R)

_____________
That's the problem. It shouldn't matter. We should act in the best interest of America, not based on how someone in another country feels.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 19, 2013 06:43 PM (HDgX3)

230 Roger that, Sulu. Raise the bullshit shields and arm the fisking torpedoes

Shields to maximum. Launch a full torpedo spread on 216!

Liuetenant Worf, signal Starfleet.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 19, 2013 06:43 PM (oDAWZ)

231 And please don't truncate my posts in a nontransparent way.)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 19, 2013 06:33 PM (O8sZf)

We're posting in the comments section ofa blog. I truncate posts not to somehow discredit the poster by quoting out of context but to avoid needless redundancy and to address the specific point highlighted in the excerpt. Besides, I included the timestamp of your post. Anyone interested can go back and look at what you wrote in all of its unexcerpted glory. Few will do it but they can if they like. That isn't 'nontransparent'.

Posted by: troyriser at February 19, 2013 06:43 PM (vtiE6)

232 what makes you think Republican opposition to Hagel is because they want to increase their Jewish vote share, and not, you know, cuz they disagree with the guy
---

further, couldn't we say it is a pander to the base, which does believe in support of Israel.

I'm under no illusions that supporting Israel will give the GOP an avenue into the Jewish vote. As Rush says, they are liberals first. That being said, its always worthwhile to keep reminding them that the party they support basically hates Israel.

I think they know they can get away with it on the cheap because they know the GOP will always support Israel. Knowing that is the case, why not take the position that will still get you invited to the right parties.

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 06:44 PM (gmeXX)

233 225 Anyone who thinks American Jews represent how Israeli's think and feel about America or obama has no idea about how Israel thinks, has never lived there, and is spouting such stupidity it makes my head hurt.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 06:41 PM (9Bj8R)
----------------

THIS.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 19, 2013 06:45 PM (C8mVl)

234 Nood....movie review.

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2013 06:45 PM (X6akg)

235 movie review up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 06:45 PM (piMMO)

236 So now it thinks it is in the best interest of America to dump the only Democracy in the Middle East?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 06:45 PM (9Bj8R)

237 Laura Ingraham just tweeted:

Former Assistant US Attorney Andrew McCarthy prosecuted the Blind Sheikh, now he warns Obama will give the terrorist leader to the Egyptians

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 06:46 PM (piMMO)

238 >>>>What the heck is happening???: WASHINGTON (AP) — President Obama says he
has accepted Gen. John Allen 's request to retire from military.<<<<

Consolidation.

The GOP has surrendered the rest of the government to the left and now they want the military. They have the wind at their backs and are looking forward to letting the shooting start.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 19, 2013 06:46 PM (KAWvv)

239 That's the problem. It shouldn't matter. We should act in the best interest of America, not based on how someone in another country feels

---
Mr. Moo, I agree completely. And right now I think it is in the best interest ofAmerica to support Israel. Not simply because of the strategic importance of where the country sits, not simply because it is an ally surrounded by our declared enemies, but also because it is a moral necessity.

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 06:49 PM (gmeXX)

240 I have never understood why American Jews vote lockstep for Democrats.

Careful. If you note that blacks vote overwhelmingly for Democrats you're a racist. If you note that hispanics vote overwhelmingly for Democrats you're a racist -- despite the head-scratcher about what 'race' they are. Note that gays vote overwhelmingly for Democrats you're a gay-basher. Note that Jews vote overwhelmingly for Democrats you're an anti-semite.

Even continue to live another day with an American flag waving on your front porch and you're an 'extremist'. Welcome to our new dystopian society, comrade.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 19, 2013 06:49 PM (feFL6)

241 Posted by: Miss Marple at February 19, 2013 06:36 PM (GoIUi)


Again, better questions here by AoS commenters than any provided by well funded Congressional staffers to their semi-literate House and Senate masters. I weep for my grand-children!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 19, 2013 06:51 PM (Cnqmv)

242 Miss Marple, #212:

Great questions! And he would have looked like a fool as he hemmed and hawed. 'Course, he already made a fool of himself, and he already looks to have enough Dems willing to vote for him anyway.

Personally I don't like the play his views on Israel and Jews are getting - it only gives ammo to the borderline anti-Semites who think the Jews run everything behind the scenes.

And, Mr. Moo Moo, #219: If Swedish-*Americans* voted 80-20 for Obama, and Sweden were our lone ally in a Europe that wanted to wipe it out, and incidentally was wall-to-wall hostile to our values, I'd be pro-Sweden - and I'd wonder why the hell most Swedish-Americans voted the way they did.

Posted by: JPS at February 19, 2013 06:57 PM (BgUUm)

243 #221 Well, on my part it is all about competence. I don't like the anti-Israel thing either, but competence is requirement #1 and Hagel scares the hell out of me. My 16-year old grandson would have given better answers, and he is devoting most of his time to football, track, and girls.

Hagel would be a terrible Defense secretary even if he was Israel's #1 backer. I am not even sure the guy can answer the phone.

Plus I sincerely believe he has a grudge against the officers, and this will make his working with the Pentagon really difficult.

This is another example of the libs pushing conservative group buttons, in this case defense hawks and Israel supporters. Everyone is going off into the anti-Israel stuff which doesn't resonate with many voters, either. I personally feel a better strategy is to simply say "The guy can't do the job. Next."


Posted by: Miss Marple at February 19, 2013 07:16 PM (GoIUi)

244 You know what else, Vic? -- since I know you're gone for the night but will check the thread in the morning. My Jewish eye doctor, whose wife rolled her eyes at me when I wanted glasses for my wife that looked like *gasp* the type that Sarah Palin wore? Gone. Haven't been back. The crew of African Americans who cut my couple of acres? Gone. The Hispanic crew I called to get a price for cutting my lawn? Never hired. The kinda gay designer that someone recommended and that I called? Found someone a little less fabulous who would work for a whole lot less money.

Sure, I'm playing the odds. But in Vegas 80-20 isn't a long shot. These are people who have voted for the 'anti-prosperity' ticket. It seems the least I can do to ensure they get their wish. Elections have consequences.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 19, 2013 07:31 PM (feFL6)

245 I thought the reason was that since Obama's foreign policy is primarily one of strengthening our enemies that the only options he has are either people who hate the US and what it stands for such as Powers, Rice et al... or idiots. Hagel just happens to be both so that makes him the highest quality nominee on tap.

Posted by: Voluble at February 19, 2013 08:04 PM (qYvEa)

246 Here's a depressing thought: What if this is the best nominee we're likely to get?

Posted by: Rich Fader at February 19, 2013 08:42 PM (2Zrwv)

247 I learned all my negotiating tactics from Walid Shoebat.

"Do you denounce hamas and hizbollah?"

Record the answer. You just might learn something.

Posted by: Blacksmith8 at February 20, 2013 06:42 AM (Yzu6e)






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